20 Episode results for "Chase Utley"

Moment of the Day (05/01/19)

Boomer & Gio

01:37 min | 1 year ago

Moment of the Day (05/01/19)

"Moment. Had a couple of really good choices. And while I think the better one was you on the events of yesterday, a very close second. And because it's so rare and so different. We're going to go with our friend and die hard met fan Kelly. Okay. Who decided to call in and have a little discussion with chase utley? You real quick. I do appreciate that. You've worked with dogs and kids I've heard about that good for you. But that's the last thing. And then tell you that I really respect about you. If you came out here, you were telling me, you know, I liked being the villain. I didn't really care. It was fun for me part of the games might have even respect to that a little bit more. But it doesn't really seem like you care about anything. So I just need you to know is Mets fans. How annoying it was? Because and watch you I respect that. You're good player. I understand that. But when you took out much shortstop in the playoff that wasn't about talent that was just being dirty, and I don't care how long you telling me that was if you'd be an old school that was you being dirty 'cause that's what you do. And I'm sorry. Swelling. Look, everybody's gotta take on. Right. Of course. Well, that's the way it should thinks sweetheart. Harry. As part of the video is a she's railing on him. He's just sitting there sipping some coffee gun. No complaints. No worries in the world. So there you go. No, right. Exactly. Look, right. What a career when a life. Now. It's amazing you really. Yep. Boomer GO on the CBS sports network.

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Podcast (05/01/19)

Boomer & Gio

2:28:39 hr | 1 year ago

Podcast (05/01/19)

"Investors Bank studio over at size in graduate Audie and geo on the fan simulcast across the country on CBS sports network. Good Wednesday morning crazy day yesterday around here. You had the Mets winning last night and ten after another Jerry's familiar on fortunate outing when he was also close to getting the job done. But he did not Yankees last night. Can't muster up enough offense. What they've been playing. So well when see sees a bat BIA gets his milestone of three thousand strikeouts. So that's a story for them. We had a tremendous time, and it was an honor to be at the NYPD foundation der last night MC that with US Fulmer. So is a crazy day the busy day and all started yesterday about eight fifty or so when I'll Duke said, I think Mike on the phone. Yes. With us angry, Mike francesa. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Good morning. Joe sounds like a little stuffed up this morning. I don't know. What happened? I don't know. Good job last night. I was I was pleasantly. I was surprised. But I thought you'd just you look like, you're Seamus. Like you handle these things all the time. Like are you like an all the time? Like, you do like M C stuff out of bellport and stuff like that. Or no, no, I did a golf tournament last year. But that was one of the only things I did really. So I'm just dabbling. I'm just getting my foot in the water of the stuff up thinking that glass, obviously, we did it because we love the NYPD foundation and Commissioner Jim O'Neill and everybody that puts on that. Unbelievable. Eventless raise over five and a half million dollars over two thousand showed up at the Hilton midtown, and you and I took up on the stage. I said look at how many tables here. Yeah. It was unbelievable. It was crazy. The NYPD foundation is not a part of the NYPD. It's actually a separate entity. It's public private partnership, and they raise money for all different sorts of programs at the NYPD does have in place, whether they be international terrorism programs or locally here. The cop shot program. There's the tipsters program. There's all these other different community policing programs that the NYPD foundation, and they also do scholarships and things of that nature for NYPD families, and then hand out some awards to some really amazing cops that have done unbelievable stuff within the community within the the fibers of New York City. So it was great to be their last night. It's great to see everybody. Congratulations to James Gorman. He's the CEO of Morgan Stanley, given unbelievable speech last night. Right. Really touched on everything about what the NYPD does for. So it was great to be a part of that last night. Meanwhile, all anybody wanted to talk about last night was getting you know, yelled at. Yeah. The second that we got out of the car to head into the Hilton last night. I mean, you couldn't even get one leg out of the car without some. Yell at you guys. Back into that. We get in there and more people. All unbelievable stuff this morning. So yeah, I mean it got around. I was actually a little silly me. Naive me. Yes. With all the crazy stuff that has gone on here at WFAN that this was just like a little one. Like this wasn't going to register in the way that it did yesterday. But there's like three articles in the post about it every single website that covers sports media talked about it. All anybody brought up. Yes. We we felt like we had to address it during the NYPD foundation because somebody people talked this morning as thing there you go. So anyway, you know, the fact of the matter is that it is it's WFAN and everybody listens. And obviously the NYPD we have a lot of big fans over there. And a lot of people that listen in their cruisers on their way to work and everything else. So they all heard everything yesterday. And they're having a lot of fun of our expense last night. But for us all I can tell you is that. It's bizarre land over here like two universes. There's the there's the reality one. And then there's the other one and every now, and again, we get dragged into the other one and the other one is kind of fun to be a part of for a little bit. And then you come out of it. And you're like, okay. You know, I landed on my feet them. Okay. So as I told the audience last night, we are all about de-escalate. That's right skating as Jim O'Neill the Commissioner would like to tell his NYPD, folks. Deescalate the situation, you know, handle yourselves with poise and grace, and and everything will be fine. So that's how we that's how we do things here. Now, speaking of poison grace, I almost threw shoe at the TV last night. Yeah. Watching Jerry's familiar and the thing about it as you and I were together. So we're looking at the Mets score, and we're following along on our phones and everything else. And all of a sudden he comes in great thinning? All right. So now is control in the baseball. Everything's fine. Obviously Edwin is not available. Well, so he's got to go for a two inning save. Yeah. This is. So I told you that so as we are standing together leaving the dinner I said, they're sending familiar out for a second inning. And you said, no, they're not. As it gets. They are is this is not gonna end. Well, and then two outs right away. Like nothing. Yeah. You don't the thing about it? Is that for me? I think is confidence wains a little bit. So after that eight inning eighth inning. I would've taken out of I don't care who the next guy. I it doesn't matter. Actually, drew gone. Yo did a right. And you don't you don't expect that to happen. But I would just say that sometimes you have to realize the situation in the environment. And I guess the environment was that Edwin was not available. This is why you have a million here. Just in case something like this happens where he has to go. Get six outs to me. I would have just taken them out. And I don't care who I bring in next just he did his job. I get them out of their met fans. Feel good about what he did. I a good taste in her mouth and all of a sudden five. Okay. Here we go. We're going to get it done. And then all of a sudden wheels come off. So if they bring in. Let's say drew gone, you know, in the nineties, and then are you are you saying, I'm just type of speaking. Are you saying why didn't you leave familiar with great me? I am not an and the reason I'm saying that is because of what has happened to familiar this year, you know, an bomb Mickey Callaway. I know that he gets paid ten million bucks a year. I understand. I also understand that he's a veteran and you want your veterans to set up in big spots. But I also have to recognize that there's a fragile psyche. That is a that of the athlete, and I gotta make sure that I'm protecting him in some way, shape or form the way to protect him. Last night would have been three outs. You're done sit down. You did your job. And you did really really well. So I'm kind of helping his psyche. And I know that effort it's easy to say that after the fact after he blew the save last night to say what I'm saying this morning, but I also know that leading up to what happened the familiar last night is the thing. That's troubling for me. So I wanna try to help him any way. I can in the way I would help them. Three outs down. Good. You did a great job. Awesome. We got you back on track now at somebody else's chance to go out there, and you had a two run lead. Yeah. I know. I know I couldn't believe he couldn't get that last out. I just I thought for sure he was gonna make you. Wet and he was going to be able to get the save. And he did not thank God. They lose the game. They end up losing the game. This is a much bigger deal. But they've got to figure him out. And Jason Vargas, by the way. I don't know if it's like, right? Now's the time to find apologized him. I don't know if it's quite the time yet, but I will say that ever since Harris Allen came in here, the great overnight anchor. Who was the one man on the Jason Vargas island who said you guys are two aren't on him. Celebrate Ori cream pie. Artem not me. Well, I think he's all the hosts at WFAN now. I was exceptionally hard on a more than you. But I think everybody sort of had the same take on Jason Vargas, most of the fan base to do. It's hard not to what we all have to have that guy. I think it's familiar also. Well, you know, it could be Syndergaard as well. I mean think about that. It's Jason Vargas last couple outings. He he's looked like the best pitcher on the staff compared to some of these other guys you wanna guy throwing eighty five miles an hour. Eighty five total pitches and going five and a third. That's that's your starter sodas these days. Yeah. Where he's coming from which is not giving him a chance gave them a chance. The last couple of outings, and he looks at different pitcher. He does he looks like his confidence is back in for him. It's all about location because he's not going to be blown anybody away. And he's been able to do that. But that's what I'm talking about with familiar like as soon as the wheel start to come off. It's like, oh here we go. And that's why maybe maybe early in the season. This is how you protect guys and you give them a chance to feel good about their performance. Now. Feels like crap. Yeah. You know? And I know that mckelway didn't really have another alternative until he had to get to the other alternative again. But I don't know. I just I feel bad for a million. But I also feel bad for me because I couldn't sleep. So then I had to watch the sharks and the Avalon, please, you know. So that was good that kept me up to. I mean how the second that game ended. I was done. I didn't. And I'm excited, actually. To hear him say excited. Dear Mickey Callaway, but I wanna hear what he says about Jerry's familiar playing going forward with them and all the stuff, but I didn't watch any post game. I was out. I was tired. I was out along day. A lot of reading articles about the show. Yeah. I said I said enough of this. I go to sleep. You went to sharks do have to you had to do. This is not like the NHL. Plus it can be lying. And then of course, you've got the NBA, and you've got John Shawn up last night. And by the way, here's the deal knick fans, we have to give one Jain norm collective hog to Kevin Durant. Get there's not a thing that he can do wrong serious. We'd love him. He needs to know that we love. Kevin durant? So there's more. Kevin durant? Come into the Knicks stuff while it's an unauthorized autobiography Agra fy coming out. It doesn't say there that he's leaving Golden State. But but what it says, basically is that there's going to be another the person who wrote this. It'd be very very careful here. The person who wrote this is. Intimating that Kevin Durant will strongly want to end his career somewhere else because he hates the perception of him jumping on his Golden State bandwagon. Even though he's won two championships. Two NBA finals MVP's, and he might get a third JP gyp another finals MVP he hates that that he wants a challenge and he wanted to be his team. And he went nuts when he saw the reaction of him, leaving Oklahoma City to go to the warriors, and he has not been able to shake that since and he wants end his career somewhere else with big challenge. That is one writers perception, right? What's going on with? Kevin durant? Yeah. Here's the thing that I would say Kevin Durant seems to be at least characterized in this particular of this book is like an insecure maniac. Well, yeah, I knew that he's seven foot. He's the best is the best basketball player or one of the best basketball players in the league. And if he comes in New York, you'll be heralded we w-. Will love him. We will hug him. I don't even know if that's the best thing. So we will. I think that he will he'll find some way to be driven. Whatever negativity is out there. He will gravitate migraine will say something it'll be well. He'll this. Holy don't need. It's fine. Right. This west that he's going on. We'll drive him enough. Even if we do embrace him, but he's just this some athletes, they need this. I think is thoughtful guy personally, I think he's a thoughtful guy, you know, and given everything that's going on in his life. And all that other stuff. You know, he has an east coast guy is from Washington DC. And I know that they also talk about ten landing spot being filled up. I can't see him going to Philadelphia. I just can't see them to Brooklyn. And I certainly can't seem to Washington. Yeah. Think clippers or the Knicks. Yeah. The clippers of the Knicks. It just depends LA or New York for him. Now, the clippers have a better everybody got a better Rosser in the next right now, but you can own the east coast thing I was thinking about this yesterday. Kyri in Boston. All right. I mean does that is he like the east coast guy? Right. And there's really not a like east coast vaster guy. He's he's a New York. He's a guy. No bahir. I know but I'm ever since LeBron east eastern time zone. Okay. So ever since LeBron went to the the west coast out to LA. There hasn't been like that transcendent this past basketball. So you wanna tell me, honest Janas, but these guys up tell you out that the Kupa, right? He's in he's in Milwaukee. That's not even. About Embiid or these guys are too young. I'm telling you, they haven't done it yet Durant. Immediately becomes the LeBron the ratings bonanza that LeBron was in the eastern time zone when he comes to the next he could own it because everybody talked about how the NBA on the east coast the rates went in the tank because LeBron was it around that he bore because there wasn't a big star like that. Now, they're stars. But there's not like the guy is how about this. How about the nicks do not get the first pick in the NBA draft. And they get like the second and third pick. Yeah. Now, if you're not going to if you're not all in on job rant. Would you trade that pick to get Anthony Davis? No because then you probably going to have to trade other pieces on the roster, and you can't afford to do that at this point. But if the rant says if the only way that you make a serious play for Anthony Davis Ziff, another guy's not signing. Yes. With that other max slot. But. The ideal thing to do would be of course, get atop three hopefully graduate to MAC. And then also I mean, and by the way, Dennis Smith junior Mitchell Robertson, Kevin knocks you want those guys on the team. Sure, you do you have to have them. Right. So that that is a good thing. So I don't wanna trade those guys in the pick. You want three players you want a young stud player one tour three, and you want to max contracts. That's what you want as opposed to to max contracts trading players away and not signing your draft pick. And I don't think it's possible for them to have Davis Durant and Kyrie I don't think it's possible and someone else could tell me maybe there's been an article written about it. I'll try to look it up. I don't think it's possible. If all of them and up wanting to get paid the max of what they should be paid. Which of course, they're going to because who who wants to be underpaid, especially being a big time athlete like that. But yeah, I mean, we're ready. You've always told me though, every time this comes up. You've always told me there's some like secret onto the table. I don't know if there's a secret under the table. I'm not sure about that. Everybody assumes that. Yes. There's some investments in one of Bob Kraft's ninety different companies. Right. And that that that easily could be possible. I mean with wealth management staff, I'm sure that handles Giselle. And Tom Brady's money. I'm sure that that in some ways, shape or form some of its co mingled with something that craft is doing somewhere, right? Whether it be overseas or whether Bahir in this country. So yeah, I would think that there are investments that are co mingled. Yes. I that would just be my my my cynical side saying, yes, there's definitely something there. So it is may first and two weeks from this Moyal, baby. Let's go weeks from this morning Wednesday. May fifteenth will be the morning after the NBA draft lottery where we will be talking about what happened. So we are that close. We are that close trying to think how I can how I can sway this whole thing. What putting pressure on Adam silver to fix it something he'd better fix it. Yeah. I mean, if he was smart, he would it's just a matter of his smart. He's very smart. Well, I know he's extremely smart. But it does Mark does he, but he also tried to he's probably so pissed that this was the year that he ended up tweak in the lottery because every other year, the Knicks would almost been guaranteed to get the first pick. But this was the year. He changed it. And he's probably thinking of doing this. This is the year you guys decide that completely tank and the Knicks finally did something that they had to do. Tanked to number one. Right. But it doesn't matter because there's two other teams at the same out chance and it's only fourteen inches. Saw. What happened with the Rangers Rangers? They played hard all year long, by the way, they just traded for Adam FOX local kid from Jericho you train fan, by the way, huge ranger fan. And he is he is going to live his dream to play for his beloved New York Rangers next year who have chance to be one of the starting defense on the Rangers. But the Rangers moved up in the the NHL draft lottery. Yeah. I think they moved up by four or five slots, so you just gotta hope that the Knicks. Don't have that happen in the NBA lottery. You wanna stay where you are? And you wanna come away with that number one pick like the devils, Scott? It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason in Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo. Jerry's familiar in the crosshairs again, so close to getting it done five outs. He got five outs. No problem that sixth one was allusive but the Mets come back and win in the. This though, it was pretty cool seeing about was family down there. Yes. Absolutely. I was a great moment. That really was a great moment and see soaked it all in and unfortunately for the Yankees, they got grenade. Yeah. Well, this lineup is going to run into a couple of good pitchers from time to time. And they're going to have that happen to this and to har- end Tula whiskey both played single a Tampa. And did play third base. Clint Frazier's running. He's going to be doing some arc running soon. So he should be activated by Friday. These are going to start coming back now and the little engine that could is going to become maybe the expensive engine that can't how about that. Jerry Recco is here with it update have been the best time dropped ever that that could have honestly been at his best work subtly of all time. Hey, Jerry, what's going on morning rates? On group scheduled appointment today to rake Tina service in our first class service at affordable prices. And that's where we start with the Yankees and the diamondback one to two Murphy pitch came out swinging. Sheridan. He has three strikeouts. He has three thousand next dot CC Sobat, the hall of fame. Wow. Pitcher to do that John sterling the call on the fan. Unfortunately for the Yankees, though, the moment which was pretty good for him. As he struck out the side there the night did not end well for the Yanks it on the ground, right? Beal there is a basic Tuchman field. I'm throwing and it's late on to second goes Flora's and gogo of old on and that is again Johnston. Wilmer Flores homers in the second than snaps a one with the RBI single there in the fourth Diamondbacks wound up beating the keys three one. Here's Sobat the thoughts on getting to three thousand this relief. You know, since the end of last year, you know, coming up short, you know, fortunately strikeouts. Kind of like the last thing I've been the only thing I've been thinking about for the last six months so and so he can now move on with things hall of fame. Right. No doubt. Here's boone. And he exactly says that he's all Famer. I mean. You know, this is one of those big numbers, you know, handful and numbers in our game. The only thing that's stinks. Brett Gardner says we she have won four. He's got who's not so worried about personal top Schmitz is the team. So, you know, unfortunately, that we weren't able to scratch a few more than tossing them the win today, but guys with three thousand strikeouts or not in the hall of fame Roger Clemens who's the other one Curt Schilling. Okay. Interesting about the five and a third gave up two runs with the five strikeouts. He finished the day three thousand into series finale this afternoon, Masahiro Tanaka taking on Merrill, Kelly this abbreviated two game series. We'll have it on the fan at three pm as for the Mets. So here they were taking on the reds last night. All was good through the eighth and then into the ninth. Yes. Jerry's familiar blows the six out save as the Diamondbacks score coupled ties, but in the tenth. Pete Alonzo one laseyette from the belt his pitch on hard. Right. This one plenty put up week near the wall. He makes the catch in front of the fence Davis tax third. He scores. A lot went to with a sec lie. That's Wayne Randazzo. CBS eighty JD. Davis led off the inning with a double. He scores the winning run Mets for reds three as even up the series at a game pieces. They will play again later tonight the inning as mentioned started with Davis at the plate. Good work done by Mickey Callaway as he says to put bat together against that guy. Is is unbelievable glaciations. Here's Calloway on his boy, Jeff McNeil what a drag bunt earlier in this game. Didn't work out. The first time went back to the second. And got it done got the running from third he came in and said that's bag baseball. And that's where we went to college. They were called the dirt bags long state was big baseball. He says this is what I do. I play their bag baseball that does probably definition right there. I mean bonding with the gun third base. You know, just doing everything you can get the guy over. Facturing runs, and that's he did it on his own. He did do it on his own baseball. I like it. That's how we're going to be playing softball this year guys dirtbag softball. I want some happiness attempts run down first base. I wanna see people diving into home plate. I wanna see some action from you people that you like about McNeil to is that he actually scouted Cincinnati the night before and had this in his head. Align their yesterday actually told chilly today, you know, if I gotta get up to do it third base. I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. And then try and they never ever just. Got it. So just just remembered dirtbag baseball. I'm not forgetting that one or so you're saying for the softball team you want Palade steals. Her bag you base Sturt bag softball against the Hebrew home already softball games. We are not we are not giving in. All right. I'm with you. We're not giving up. That's what you say. Skip got it. We're in full in line. Here was Mickey Callaway thoughts on familiar outing. So again that was lights out for five outs. So then he can he strokes familias ego. He's gotta take pride that. He he got five big outs in this game tonight shed as he didn't get those out. We don't win the game. He's gotta take pride five big outs. And then sucked after those big outs. You know, what I wanted to say just wants to he needs the bear down it. Oh, he got five outs. He's gotta get a six. That's what we have here. That's why we're paying him. Nobody Ellen right. He's got a bear down. And he's got to get that final out. Yeah. And I know what he's you know, he's he's Mr. positive, right? He's like we're gonna love our players like they've never been loved before. It's also Brody thing to Brody wants all positive situations. So it's Brody was positive as watching the reds run around the base path. He's probably but he's positive this morning. Right. And he'd probably pas, okay, fine. They tied it up. But we're going to win. We're going to be the best versions of ourselves. That's a big broady van wagon quote. We're going to be the best versions of ourselves. The greatest that we can be every single day we wake up if it's cloudy, there's sunshine. I don't care. What you see? It's what you feel. Here's familiar when I think of what I see Alary morning, sunshine sunshine, and then there's eddies he's he's a little cloudy, and then there's Jerry happy guy of the grew storms Bruin. Here's a familiar translator. What happened nothing really changed? I really doing the same thing. I try to same thing. And I know some some of the kind of stayed over the plate a little bit. And it was those singles I kind of did the damage. Yeah. Give runs. Here's a Lonzo. Great having the game winner. Awesome. I mean is really cool to come up clutch in spot like that. I mean every game's important, and I'm just really happy. I could come through for the boys fifteen and fourteen tonight. Maybe Jacob degrom can solve his issues. He takes on Anthony disclu funny later this evening at city field. Also of note the rays were rained out the two and a half out now in the AL. The Red Sox did win again last night. They beat the as five. One of play better bass going for sure playing better baseball dodgers beat the giants ten to three nationals. Also cardinals three two in the Phillies. Lost buddy. Yeah. They lost nationals won national Phillies. Both how about that. Nice. So the midst now one game out to the NBA playoffs at Golden State Warriors and rockets and to series lead for Golden State, Gerald green white hand dribble mass downstairs Dow. Have been fouled on the kind of undercutting one. Oh, wait ninety six warriors all the game minute gonna cut it off. But I figured let's leave the pumpkin. Yeah. For people who don't talk. You warriors radio radio radio. Sounds like a bad ventriloquist act where the play by play guy is the human. And then the color guy the puppet swing back onto Gerald green white hand dribble past outskirts. Dow. About have been fouled on the undercut. Hundred. Let's sing sold about. Real real. Warriors beat the rockets. One fifteen one nine green another near triple double, fifteen points, twelve rebounds, seven assists, twenty nine for Kevin Durant. Here's Steve curl. We did was when the games we were supposed to win nothing has happened yet. So we gotta go down to Houston and be ready to play because you know, how good they are. We know how hard they're gonna plan. Here was green happy to move beyond all the foul nonsense. Disheartening? For game that I love since. I was a child to see the talk over the last few days. It was nothing about basketball and everything about foul. Call exactly what it was. Yeah. I know I'm so happy said that that was discouraging to me to James harden got hit in the face in this game. Did come back in raked across the is is Mike dantonio. Call at Harvard twenty nine points on nine of nineteen shooting. He said he had trouble after being poked. We'll see. Early could see. Jesus. That's a good barely see. Did he got some I go I understand that something happens to this team when they play the the warriors in the playoffs. How many three point attempts to have last night a lot? We're talking about the. Not being I'm not sure, but he didn't take as many as I expected. Healy shot harden himself only nineteen field goal attempts for the games couldn't say he couldn't say say say so. I could see I know trying to think. Boston Milwaukee shot forty seven threes and their game. I know that I'm not sure what the number is for Houston. Again when only shoots nineteen GIO. What's a matter that these computers on them? I have faith that the computers here. Yes. I just bring in my own. I know Evan does it. He's been doing it for years. I gotta start doing who. I actually. Yeah. That's evan. Yeah. It's got to ipads, and computer. Yeah. Really? Nassau in front of. So let's see a loser. Nestle nasa. So the rocket forty three you say retainer, I say potato what the rockets tempted forty three was them any. Yes, they were seven how many Harding take Hardin had kind of seven. I know they call the foul and one of them and he got the three free throws. We have seven three of seven not bad for him. Did you realize that you feel like it was Val or the like he got the foul call? I didn't see the play. I just read that they call the foul and a three point attempt. Well, CBS sports number cat it. I think or did they not I don't know. I was looking up the threes. But yeah. It's another excuse though. That's built into the rockets whole Zagan swept. He was blind. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Ripped across the is. I barely could see you got shop ready. Chris Paul last last year with the game seven injury said of the officials Costas eighteen points shut up his play. If I was a rockets fan, I would be living at this team live. It wouldn't be at the officials wouldn't be anything else. It'd be about this group coming up excuse every single game bucks. Beat the Celtics won twenty three one zero to even that series at one and one tough night for kyri Irving nine points. He was four of eighteen from the floor or any added pressure when you're shoot like that. There's no extra burden. This is what I signed up for what Boston traded from before. So and so he's figure it out honest and denim Kupa had twenty nine points, ten rebounds that the Kuku compile and pool. Poop poop. Boo. Said that kupuna woke up it was hitting shots from all over the floor on poo poo poo right into the net. Do. On a fat tonight game two nuggets and blazers in Denver. You've also got rawley game. Three for the islanders hurricanes coverage on radio dot com at seven we will join it on the fan after the Yankees. The Rangers acquire Harvard defensemen, Adam fog Carolina, thirty seven th pick in this draft. And something about a second pick too. They can go up. So it's basically to pixie there to to number two or two and a three and a good signing. It's a good way to utilize your assets to get a young player who just turned twenty one years of age, and he was a hoagie hobey Baker award finalist and an all American so edition for the New York Rangers sharks beat the avalanche. Four two for a two one series lead blue jackets to one lead in the Bruins with their two one victory last. All right. Thank you, Jerry. It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty boomer and geo to Yankees islanders NBA playoffs. I'm sure some people call us about Mike as well. Eight seven seven three three seven sixty six sixty six we will get to your calls in just a second did mentioned at the top of the show was an honor to stay next boomer and emceed the NYPD foundation gala last night and the best part of it for me was standing up and reading the stories and presenting the hammered awards to the. Five incredible officers, and he said, wow, you seem like you did that before just the inspiration. You got from those stories and reading about them prior to that. There was no way I was messing up those introductions these young folks who have done in amazing job in their careers. Don't know why those stories don't make it on the front page of the papers. Right. I know they really should every single one of them. So those people were saieed alley Jason Anna's Aghassi quad teasha EPs Damon Martin and Rosemary machen Thala and the top of the year brought the house down doll treve and his incredibly tragic story. But yet inspiring story on top of it and commissioned O'neil presenting copy year award was about as emotional as it gets. I wish everybody could have heard Commissioner, Neil speech. Introducing doll show and his family and what he has been through. And you could hear it in the Commissioner's voice, the passion, the emotion, the anger, the just the level of respect that he has for his officers. And if you don't know doll shes story, I suggest you take five minutes and read about it. And realized just exactly how dangerous it is the NYPD officer on the streets or in the subways or. On the bridges you name it they're out there and there and last night. This was an eye opening experience. I think for anybody for somebody who's never been a part of it. It really opens your eyes what the hell is going on. And how important these people are? So I think what you said, right? There is just absolutely perfect. Those officers all needed to be recognized. They were all heroes in all of our is. They all got standing ovations last night and dodge avai, his family, basically got the loudest of all of them and our hearts, go out to his family. And we wish them nothing. But the absolute best going forward. All right. Let's get to some calls talk about what happened in sports anything else last day or so it has been nuts. Let's go to Chris. And on what's going on? Chris. Forget about the fact that two million cost us the two thousand fifteen World Series. You have to remember the calls. You got the day after we resigning which I thought was joke. I thought somebody's mess with me from your fan base going crazy on this move. Yeah. And this is why you have a rough streak you need guy late in in in the in the game, closer, whatever to lock it down that when keep moving other side, you have a winning streak you gotta keep it moving. This guy will blow it every single time. He rips the heart out of your chest. And you invest three hours in a game. And he doesn't that? I'd rather see Vargas twelve in the first inning turn it off. And do something else. This guy suck. He needs to go away. Should never be. I can't look at it for three more years, and you're not alone. And I remember boomer, and I we defended the familiar move that morning after it happened, and we were fighting people off left, and right and my take at the time was and clearly in April. It's been wrong is that back into the bullpen guys generally are up and down. And you're not counting on. Familia to be your closer. Because you've gotten one of the best closers in baseball. He's going to be a setup guy. Jerry's familiar has one of the best closer seasons in the history of the Mets organization. We know that when he's on his game. He could pitch city field. He could be great met. He's just been awful this year. And I wonder what the contract that he got and Brodie van wagons approach that we saw with Travis Dr. No, what do you do? Jerry's familiar if this continues because you cannot have Jerry's familiar high leverage situations if this continues for another month, but that's why said Mickey Callaway could could've done. Everybody a favor last night. And just giving them the eighth inning and put whoever in after words, even even though we all know what was going on last night. We all understood what was happening you have done. Everybody a favor set. Jerry's down after the eighth inning today. What did great and you did your job? And that's all there is to it. And we're going to go to somebody else because we're not we're not gonna put you in that situation to lose the game. Now. Because we're hearing from the Mets fan we're hearing. I'm sure the the thousand people that were left there in the stadium was empty once again late in the game. You could probably feel the and the stress in the from the fan base that was there because I feel it. I know you felt it and we were actually talking about it before it even happened. I know and you told me, okay. They got a million. He got the three outs eighth as good sit them. Now. I said sit them down. And then you said was available. I don't care. I don't really care. I bring Syndergaard out give a crap who you put out there. Just don't put him back out there. And they did. And he was fine. I two hours complete meltdown again. But it's it's I'm sure it's frustrating for those guys because he does have his ball moves ridiculously it moves so much. Sometimes he gets out there. You can't control it. And that's what happened to him two nights ago. And then last night, it's just like, okay. They can't hit it. It. He's doing fine. And then all of a sudden the wheels come off. And that's why just like if you've Mickey Callaway don't you have to manage that a little bit. Like, don't you have to protect him from his perspective is like, wow, what a great cleaning familia. I'm going to send them back out there. His confidence is up. He's going to he's going to do this was close to. But. Yeah, I agree saying this after the fact because I told you this last night as I know, I just who else were you at that point, easy, clean eighth-inning. He's thinking this is this is where I'm going with it. I didn't have the biggest problem with it to be honest with you. But I mean, it's just amazing. The guy can't get out of his own way. We might have to use Harris. Allen Jerry's familiar. He was as he was belting down. I was just thinking about our conversation that had happened. Ten minutes earlier. Yeah. I know absolutely, man. I can't believe that this is happening. I just can't. I mean, and it just it goes so fast that it's almost like you can't get out of it. He can't get out of his own way. And that's what's scary about a guy. Like that is it's it's not just a little bit. Jacob degrom at his best like a work himself in in and out of jams. You know, of course, his last couple of in bed, but will put a couple of guys on base. Bear Jerry's familiar for the most part, even the other knife. He got bailed out a double play with Frazier. But for the most part guys get on base. I mean, it's just gasoline. And even Mickey Calloway said the night for a guy that has been victimized by the dribblers. He needed to have the ball hit the somebody hearts, we can turn that double play. He needed a break. So he recognizes as well. And I think he probably thought exactly what you thought you had a clean eighth inning. Let's put them back out there. There's two outs. Everybody's getting ready to start shaking hands. And before you know, what the wheels come off. And all hell breaks loose. You know, I was just thinking about this in terms of managing players and putting them in the right spot. The feel good about their performance if I'm Adam gays I want Sam darnold to throw forty touchdown passes this year. So. When I'm inside that five yard line. I'm going to have all sorts of past place that are going to lead the touchdown passes from my young quarterback. I want my young quarterback to have stud statistics. Now, these are things that I'm not going to discuss publicly. These are things that I'm going to keep internally to me. I know how important Sam is to our fan base into our rebuild. And to who we now hope hope to become with our leading quarterback. I need to make sure that I am going to put him in a situation where he is going to flourish. And he's he and his personality and his way of playing is going to take over this team that should be the number one priority for Adam gays to make sure that you build up your quarterback to be superman, and you put him in a situation to make sure that that can happen. And that's why I think when you manage people like Mickey Callaway managing now. Jerry's familiar he's managing the fan base. And I know you don't wanna listen to the fans because she'll be sitting with the fans if you listen to the fans, but that doesn't mean that you can't. Manage your player to make sure that they come out of a game. Feel good about themselves much like he's managing bargain. He knows the wheels come off for that. And he takes out of the game. And he's kinda rebuilt him a little bit. So I think he needs to do some of that for familiar. That's why I was saying last night. Okay. Got eighth inning. Get them out of here. Let's go to Kenny in Monroe tap happened. Kenny. Hey, guys. What's happening? Hey, listen, man. I love you guys in a huge Yankee fan and huge baseball fan. And when I tell you I'm watching the kids on the Yankees. And then I go back and forth to the Mets because I'm one of those guys that gets made fun of because I just like New York teens I root for everybody. But I mean Anky thin, and I gotta tell you when I see McNeil play. That's that's the way I was taught. I'm forty two years old and I've been playing baseball into thirty eight years old. That's the way you play. He slaps at it. He just goes he dives at first base. That's the way we've been taught that way. Frederick plays that way too. It's all. Also, nothing one hundred miles an hour and you play your ass off. And you and you don't take anything for granted. That's exactly that's why fans love those guys. You know, it is funny with cesspit us out with Stanton out with Gary Sanchez was out. He's back. But some of these guys are like big home run guys all or nothing guys without them. You get a lot of these spark plug guys spark plugs on each team, but just spot plug guys whether it's GO or shallow or Tuchman. Or Clint Frazier when he's healthy or McNeil or JD Davis a bunch of these guys that baseball traditionalist love now, is it sustainable with the talent level. We'll find out because her bunch of bags. Here's the deal. We have our own bag baseball guy. You know, it is art dirtbag baseball guy, dirtbag baseball our softball team. Yeah. Amassed alone. You know, he's to quaffed. He's he's he looks good. He's quaffed, and I wouldn't say no ceelo is he Bank, and now I feel like I play with a lot of dirt bags not really this really one. That's out there. Trying to kill everybody guy out there. Trying to kill everybody. Honey badger. Okay. Yeah. Right. That's fair. I was thinking if the islanders get eliminated at least we'll get a boost or softball roster. That's true. But we're not looking forward to that. Right now. Are we well it's just a little bit of a consolation prize? Right. I'd like to see that move on Callan matter thinking about our softball team right now. I don't expect them to just me personally. We'll get a little bit of a boost. They're just thinking about just somehow they to get the puck into the net. Somehow. So I was thinking for Mets fan. Yes. Some to think about in the next couple of minutes, who is your least favorite baseball player. That's played for another team not a met because we can tend to hate our own right? But the your least in the last. Let's say ten years your least favorite opponent think about who that guy is. And I could almost guarantee that the majority of people are going to say this guy, and that guy is going to be in our studio today. So think about that. I will tell you that person is, and I bet if you put up a poll or ask most people say this guy, and we're going to have this guy in studio. That's awesome. Yep. So that's going to be a lot of fun to mooning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty boomer and geo joining us in studio them hour and a half from now. Maybe a little bit less is one of the most hated players for Mets fans in the history of the organization said about the last ten years two guys for the Atlanta Braves that come to mind that were more nineties early two thousand this guy took the place of those guys immediately after that John rocker, which was sort of short lived. But he said that seven train thing. And basically said everybody on the subway was mutants in these horrible things that he said, you're just a jerk. So that that was quick the Chipper Jones was very long hatred that happened with Chipper Jones and then came along chase utley chase utley is hated for a couple of reasons. One very specific incident, as we know the slide in twenty fifteen Rueben to Hotta, but also he owns the Mets just like Chipper Jones that he owned the Mets and whether. He was on the Phillies didn't matter the guy would just terrorize the met. So today joining us in studio will be chase utley. And it's going to be very very difficult thing for me, and you to be able to talk to this guy without some of that coming out. You gotta you gotta touch all that. And I think he probably relishes the fact that he's like an anti met guy, anti hero guy. Didn't he get into like what he was introduced all sort game was Yankee Stadium where they the hell out of them. Yeah. And then he looked into the or looking into the fans gave. Bleep you. Yeah. And then of course, we have a guy. He's got a love it. Right. Yeah. And of course, we have a guy on the staff here. Bobby Dwyer in the back who generally can pick an athlete. He loves boomer boomers is favorite athlete of all time. Played hard. I played smart. However, I think is second favorite athlete of all time, man. He named his son after is chase utley. So Bob Dwyer named his son chase because Bob Dwyer's affiliates fan named his son chase. So he is all jacked up became in here in the break. He's got a he looks not like us about the meat is hero. Bob dory. Put on like a unicorn a rainbow unicorn t-shirt very very happy. But I said why? All right. So you're a chase utley superfan. He's coming in today. You're going to get a picture with them and you've got a rainbow unicorn t-shirt on what is that about a cash should've put on jersey. Yeah. But don't you feel like he always reflect? The Phillies perfectly. Oh, yeah. That's that's the thing. The guy. I'm sure he can't stand New York, fans course, probably loves the fact that there's a lot of tension there. Yeah. There's going to be a lot of people pay that we have on the air. Why? We'll just because they hate his guts. What do you mean? Why isn't he working with kids now? Something as long as you're working with kids. Good. It doesn't matter. What you've done in the past. Why is chase coming? He's doing something with MLB. I didn't look at the specifics. Oh, okay. All right. I should print that out chase. I one hundred percent. I said chase utley coming in here where he's going. Oh, yeah. We're interested. He's like Sean Avery of baseball players. I wonder how like when he's walking the streets of New York. How that goes can't be good. And I'm sure Evan. I could just picture Evan going onto stinking piece of crap. You are the worst. Shame on you. Shame on you for breaking my players leg. You are the stinking worst. You Evan would actually confront chase utley. He may. I don't know. But I do know is that you want chase on your team. Yeah. You want the grinder on your team? What you want? I know. I would go. I mean, he was guys great career. I'm just saying that we have a guy who may not be as edgy as as chase was as he got older, but Jeff McNeil plays the same way. He does these not talented. He's a grinder. I will give you that. I will give you that. But this is going to be tough. And you know what? Sometimes I don't want to meet those guys that you don't like in sports, right? Because you're gonna in them. I couldn't stand Brett farve because I was not that. I didn't respect the way couldn't stand the guy, and I have not met Brett farve yet doing the stuff that we've done I feel like if I met Brett farve, then I would probably love breakfast. And he ended up being Viking. And I hated that took a long time for me to one one games for you. They should air. Well, bountygate. Right. Right. Absolutely. So that there's a little bit of that. But I only felt like he was on the Vikings to screw the Packers. Didn't like that. He was never going to be our guy. So. Sometimes you don't wanna meet the guy that you hate you want to continue to hate the guy. Well, here's Joe in New Jersey. Joe what's happening, brother? Good morning fellers. The only person I need more than Roger Clemens in dirtbag. Chase. Him then garbage. I think we should take calls. You know what Joe called back when chases with us? We could take some some from fans. Chase. What do you think about that? How take some calls with chase with that. Definitely. You think he would be? Maybe he seems like a guy that would embrace something like that. Under midway skiing, of course, arrogant. He would absolutely love it too. Yeah. This is going to be fun. It's going to be great actual call after call garbage. Instead, you Eric. Arrogance. Credit for wanting to come on this morning. Yeah. Do you think that he is aware of the hatred? Oh, he has to sometimes we as athletes we live in a bubble. We have no idea. What the hell's going on out there in the world? Like, no as well on fire. Yes. No. Maybe who's involved. What's going on? We don't know. Yeah. It'd be different. This is his life. This is in Venezuela. I mean, he's when he is every time that he played in queens as a member of an opposing team, he got his ass booed role. Do you think when he's in New York, and he's going to go out to dinner that uses his name as a reservation? No, probably not probably not now. He's lucky that there's two baseball teams here. So it's not all Mets fans, remember too. I mean, this was a big deal got Buddha Yankee Stadium for the for the all star. Yeah. But there was also the Mets were trying to get retribution on chase. And remember that whole deal Collins, you gotta you know, my my ass is going to be in the jackpot unbelievable. Yeah. So I mean, he he knows what the deal is much like much like the NBA in the drama surrounding all these MBA playoffs and the back and forth between the players, and the coaches and who's flopping and who's doing all this other crap. I mean, that's kind of what chase was for the Mets during during the two thousand fifteen season. That's basically who he was came. Right. Of course, we've got to see him in the in the playoffs. The dodgers of all teams and that happens. Right. And then that happens goes the cherry of the top of the cake right there Sunday. Yeah. That's I hope he wants to take calls. Great. That would be amazing. It's going to Neil in Greenwich. What's going on? Morning or you. What's happening? Nothing. Listen, I listened to that Francesca calling yesterday. And I used to I to his show for almost thirty years. I was a big fan of his one of the loyal fans. But. In the last year. I just I just kinda got into specify. A fraud blowhard and I called in yesterday. I wish you guys did a nice job of being respectful and kind of let him hang himself with his rant and looking like a fool, but I wish you guys just told him to shut up because he kind of came on your show and felt like. I told you guys down and kind of felt like it was sort of boss me, Ron. Around. You know, what Neil? There's two takes on. This one has been. I wish you guys would of yelled at him because he pushed you around the other take is you handled it perfectly because he's a maniac, and you guys aren't and you took the high road and everything that he said spoke to the type of guy that he is in the type of guys that you are now I'll be honest with you initially when it was over. I was like man you want to shoulda yelled back at him because you got to go after the guy is trying to push you around backing them. And then I said, my instinct, I usually follow my instincts in this in these type of situations, and I followed my instinct, my instinct was that's not who I am. And sure as hell don't want to be like him that has been my goal in this business since I've gotten to this is I don't want to be that. I don't wanna be the screaming maniac at sixty five years old. That's everything he's ever wanted. So if I had I would have been really disappointed in myself if I started screaming. Back at him. Because I said, you know, what I'm no better. I'm no better. How can I sit here and criticize his behavior of acting exactly like him? So that's a little insight into why that happened. I know some people are going to perceive it as all you guys back down you had your opportunity. I don't look at it that way. And by the way, I think if you look at the articles that were written about it this morning, whatever I'd still rather be us than him because it looks. I mean, he looked like a crazy person yesterday, right? Well, I think that would have been a little tweak them in that sense did hand theirselves while very respectfully. And he's just. Loses. Credibility every day. You know, so hopefully, he goes away. Beijing on thanks for the call the amazing as we allow people to call in and just drill guy. That's on our station. What you think about it? And we're not trying to look we're just trying to be transparent. I think what people saw is what we deal with every day around here or other people deal with every day around here. So it's unfortunate. But at the for us, I kind of had a good laugh at it. Yeah. As the day went on. I felt I felt more comfortable with like here we go again. Yeah. Right. Thought you guys are going to be on the back page yesterday. Hold on a second. Why would it be me? Because his he's like, he's yelling at you. Twenty yelled, you shut up because you wanted to get his point across get some ratings and just learn how to do show. But also you were the one who opened up the criticism of him yesterday trailed Colt is commented. So I thought that to be honest with you so in for the peoples that you can stand up to go back to November. And look at the back page of the New York Post read that article and all the stuff I said, certainly standing up to them then, but when he called up here, we go this is this is boomer and Mike the gloves are off, and I'm just going to have a front row seat here. That's what I thought was going to happen. It didn't end up going didn't realize what he said he said on the Mike's on app, right? Do I pull context which I still think which was gone back and back after this posted? I still don't think he said the stuff that he claimed to have said with us yesterday. And I didn't. Did we ever questioned whether or not he had a relationship with they've or not care if he does or not like he has relationship with everybody said he I went back and listen to it. He said he did not. He does not have never had. Right. But we had a caller who called in who said that he did have a pipeline into the giants and had a relationship with them. But we don't know the truth. We don't know it just seemed like everything was lining up like Mike had the information right for everything that happened with the giants. And that was the I don't know if he was seemed to me like he was mad at that. Then no. I think it now that we said that he had a relationship that because that was an accurate though, that was part of what he was angry at, but he was mostly angry at the Corey Ballantyne stuff because he felt the need to defend himself there because that clip that we played yesterday, and the clip that's getting a ton of criticism that Ballantine's own father has responded to and just just just also understand. I did say GIO yesterday GIO. There's a family that is burying their son. Yeah. And I'm not going to sit here and argue over whether or not somebody has a relationship with the general manager of a local sports team over his comments about a guy that got shot. Going to sit here and argue back and forth about the importance of that because that is not important the big picture of things when you're talking about somebody who lost her life. Right. Exactly. I said at the end of the show yesterday. I mean, the whole thing feels weird with subject matter. I said sometimes in this this cesspool in which we exist in you get it's tough to focus on the real issues, and you have to and he's he's all about defendant himself in a maniacal way. But really, what are we talking about for talking about a real tragedy here? So we can't lose sight of that. I did I did mention that at the end of the show was well, and that's why this isn't about like, oh, you're doing my impersonation. Or you criticize my interview with whomever about about something serious. Let's go to ET Teaneck ET. What's happening? Doing this morning. And I'm starting to master industrial organizational psychology, and I'm happy to offer. My pro Bono work in two years. When I when I'm done every I need workplace strife happy to help out. I just wanna see productive and a smooth organization running and it just killed me. So much fighting infighting, and you know, talking on each other's that goes back. I'm happy to help in whatever way. I can't. Well, we're not talking about. We're not talking about somebody behind their back. I mean, we've trying to be as transparent era. We don't want to get too personal things. But at the for us, I think you got a glimpse of what things are around here when we're not we're not here. Yes. It is true. We usually out of here by eleven o'clock in the morning. There's a lot of happiness around here between five and eleven. I think well, I think I think all the way up here and a happy, right? No. I don't see you got strife around here me strike strife with Joe be there for a while a long time ago. Yeah. Getting autographs from our guest guest awhile ago. You didn't like that didn't like that. But we have since patched everything up and all. Strike over here free. I'm trying to think that might have some strife now. Anti-strike? Yes. No. When I listen to him, and he does his drops. And he's taken zingers that people that that kind of creates. I'm sure some strife, I'm just going for the laugh. Yeah. No, strife guy. I used to have more strife. I don't have as much strife those big strife guy. Tasr? Oh, he's a big shot. He gets. Anxiety and everything else all wrapped up into one. Ball hate strife pumped into his veins daylight gasoline. The Andrew Marsh, not the Andrew Martian is the Bruins guy. More marshawn Brad Marchand. He's the Brad more Sean of WFAN a little ball hate. Yeah. We seem to be cool. I had I had I had a heart to heart with the last night. We had him on. So no strife there. Listen, you gotta understand doing entertaining radio show. That's the point. I'm not like, you know, you can't take personally, you know, Brian in Manhattan, Brian. What do you want? Bouma. Did I just hear you compare Jeff McNeil to chase grinder? He's third bag themselves. They call Siliguri basement. I said, I hope I didn't say that. He is like lived up to everything that chased by by way of accuracy is not going to be a hall of Famer. And also did you say oh Cape. Elliott uses name at restaurants when he makes a reservation in New York. How many met fans could actually put the restaurant that chase the number one? Right. Probably not going to add. I thought you yesterday because there was a story of a guy who was ruining the ending of avengers to the people that were waiting online to go into the movie, and that sounded exactly like you was that, you know, wasn't me but GIO I actually yesterday. I thought you after after my call an actually dress you down. I I really did. I went to church I lit a candle. Spry church that nice. Also to fact that you know, you got you got to use at home abuse at work. It's not. There's no there's no abuse anywhere. Brian. None whatsoever. Right. A churchgoer. Church. You got a feeling that? He just said that he doesn't really go to church. Brian is unbelievable. He's that guy. Who is just absolutely the thorn in the side of everybody of everybody is chase of callers. Yeah. Definitely is the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty, boomer and geo. Jerry Recco is back to the updates get right to what's happening Jerry run to London. Visiting experts Americana manhasset, east Hampton, and Westfield World Trade Center start with the last night because a pretty cool moment for C Sobat. The despite the fact that the Yankees did lose to the Diamondbacks. Three one one two two. Murphy pitch swing. He has three strikeouts. He has three thousand next CC about the hall of fame. And no doubt about John sterling call here on the fan as we mentioned the three thousand strikeout does come in a loss. Yankees falling era. Zona the first of two game series about the striking out the side. Four three thousand finished with five strikeouts on the night as he went five in third did take the loss giving up two runs. It was manage Aaron Boone good for getting this done. Just really happy for him and his family to to get to be a little bit part of it is is giving out to do the post game press conference with his kids sitting down with them. He says all right. We got three thousand now we move on. So actually have done and over with and now just worry about the season ultimate goes trying to win games. He's now seventeen twelve Wilmer Flora's of all people did them in last night a home run on the second inning. And then an RBI single in the four. Snapped the one one Arizona never looked bags that ranking seven and two thirds for the win. He struck out seven at city field. You're the Mets and the reds second of a four game series. And the Mets were just moving right along three one in the eighth. Jerry's familiar comes in. And you wonder why he pitched the second inning? I know you guys weren't weren't home seven pitches in the clean quick clean. Even reason. Just to sit them down. Gee on this when he threw seven pitches, and then you take them out and you blow that game. You will be roasting Calloway for the next week. I know I know especially with the options that you had saying Jerry our together. And we were watching it on the phone. And when when familiar got through the eighth, what did I say said take about great is I'm not disputing. What you I'm not trying to second guess here. I was I guessing in in real time at the moment that it was happening twang ground ball up the middle base hit going into center field. This game is tied. The Renton on his way to thirty dives without a throw at rents have tied at against familiar to runs into the nine three two three game. There were two out. And nobody on jarash familiar has come undone yet again how we roll. Hewlett breaking our hearts, and so it was three three. They would go to the tenth and the Mets would get a leadoff double from JD Davis. Jeff McNeil a base. It would bring up Pete Alonzo with the winning run on third. To to win the game. That goes to the core. We get a. On into sort of the winning. What is janey Davis the mix of fashion? And when it. Cohen on us and y previously we heard how he rose CBS eighty four three or final score Alonzo with the game winner there as for the other stuff. Here's Mickey Callaway fifteen and fourteen he says got the win, but we can be so much better. We're not satisfied with what our record is right now. So we're going to never be satisfied until the very end in the last man standing well. Jerry's familiar could've been the last man standing last night. He could have stood on the mound with the two winning save. He did not hear was Calloway on familia. He made some really good pitches throughout the night. Just didn't put the latte. Didn't get that third out. Once you get two strikes. Two outs. Nobody on in the ninth before the roof caved in basically happens for the Mets the other way. I'm sure it has. But it's hard to actually think of it right now. Yeah, you're probably right. It's not often doesn't happen often. Feel like it happens a lot to us bunch of dirt bags these. As because Jeff McNeil and where he played in college. And he is taking that mentality to Citi field last night. He had a drag bunt that drove in a run. Here was Calloway impressed to see it after he attempted the first one, and it went just foul. He kept on staring down at the first base on new. He's going to do it. Again. He did do it again. And even said in the post game, he was stunned that Cincinnati never adjusted. So he did it again, and it worked he got a base it drove the running this me. That's how I was taught to play the game. And that's almost gonna play the game. Here's a lawns. Oh, says this McNeil guy really is something like five or five or something. Like that for sorry. Four five. I mean, I mean he he put me in that situation as a clutch hit. Yeah. It was and putting them in the situation moving JD Davis to third with his base it. And so the Mets do get the game tonight. Jacob degrom takes on Anthony Sclafani should note that Vargas was not bad a third last night better than not bad. And that's a couple of starts in a row now. So he's better than it had been better than synagogue. His last two starts better than to is. Last. Celebrate Tori cream pie have to acknowledge that Harris Allen. Who is the only man who was defending Jason Vargas are came in here. It said you guys after relax. He was right. We're going to have to get him in here to tell us about Jerry's familiar of this continues. But yeah, good for Vargas, not bad Tigers beat the Phillies three one. You also had the Red Sox winning as they beat the as five to one Rick Portillo eight scoreless innings and while Manny Machado is not exactly lighting the world on fire and San Diego. The Padres did beat the Braves four three Fran meal race homered twice. Drove in three runs there. And the dodgers get their first Homer from Justin Turner of the season. They beat the giants tend to three or the NBA playoffs out and Oakland, Golden State and Houston, and Kevin Durant continues to have a monster postseason looted into Kevin. Vise on the white apple topic. Kevin Durant is curry flash by provide a little bit of a screen. It's one four ninety two K D with twenty two Tim ROY without his buddy there on warriors radio. One fifteen one nine the final score Durant with twenty nine on the night. He says when did the job I was just like to urgency. Night. They made some tough ones they made some good shots show. We just play hard and played hard. Got it done. You also had James harden going for twenty nine in the laws. He was poked in the eye is Mike dantonio. I got rate came out briefly went back in so media asking Steve Kerr he's ever played after being poked in the eye. No, never mind. Right hand side to get hooked in the eye when you're on the bench cheer. So usually just cheering the guys on one time some of my team of elbow. Yeah. Wasn't like he was the twelfth guy on it. Yeah. I know. Humble, he is that they're going to. We'll James now with an patch. Here's Mike dantonio bases. We're almost there. Four five plays that we just have to be more solid. We laid on a screen or they got threes. Right. And we've got to do a better job, and we will and good balance for Golden State along with Durant. Twenty-nine Klay Thompson at twenty one Steph curry at twenty and a near triple double for Draymond green bucks and Celtics in Milwaukee. And this is more like rattle pick it up shoot. Janas driving on down the line. Throwdown thirty six thirty four. There's the crowd pleaser and his slam tonight. And if you remember the coup his coach had said, he's just going to put his arm around him and tell him he's going to be great. Yup. And last night he was headed in Kuku twenty nine points and ten rebounds, one twenty three one zero two as the bucks reverse things on Boston winning going away even up the series of the game of peace. Chris Middleton at twenty eight points and seven rebounds. Janas says we gotta done because we bonded. We did some team building we went out, and we saw the movie the avengers together. It was. No, most of the guys on the team came out. The movie was. Really nice movie. I was made for that movie. Probably a year and half. Now waiting for movie for a year and a half. Yeah. Waiting for the sopranos for a long time right for that final season and curb your enthusiasm when way for a while. Yep. You're gonna have game of thrones people were waiting for a long time for this final season. Yeah. Did you see there's also a new movie coming out called BelAir? No, what's that? All right. Yeah. Fresh prince of Bel-Air now, I didn't know is he doing it. No. I don't think I don't know if he's got a part in it. He doesn't play a will as a younger actor up all these years later. What's going on in these? It's it's a serious. Look take on what the sitcom was it looks pretty good, actually. But in the end, we kind of know what happens. Yes. Yeah. So you got that tonight game between the nuggets and blazers and Denver you've got the islanders hurricanes playing game. Three in Raleigh. Carolina up two games to none will have it on the fan after Yankees baseball. But you can pick it up on radio dot com at seven pm a trade for the Rangers who acquire Harvard defenseman Adam FOX from Carolina for the thirty seventh overall pick it is your assets, Jerry. Yes. Using our sets. Let's go shock. The avalanche. Four to take a two one series lead and the blue jackets over the Bruins to one. They're up to one there as well. It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty boomer and geo joining us in me twenty five eastern time one of the most hated Mets fans opponents so kind of clumsy way of saying, but. I said it chase. We'll be joining us in studio. So we are looking forward to talking to him saying things damning, and we want to take some calls some fan coils. He wants to take the calls a few years ago when we were doing the Super Bowl and Houston or number Mike Scott came by to me, he was a hated met rivals all the way back to when I was a kid, but he was such a sweet guy that's probably going to happen today with I know, and that's what I'm afraid of. I don't want that. I don't want him to be a nice guy. I don't want to like him. There's just certain guys that you have to dislike for example, you probably have a how many flyers could you name that you hate that? You don't want me because I told you Craig Craig got me to Dave Scholz, all that's right. This big sit down meeting, and it was going to be. I forget what we want to steakhouse. Forget where it was. And there's Dave Schultz sitting at the table. And I'm like, I do not want to sit down at this tape. Yeah. So I sat down at the table and it turned out. That they've Scholtz was like the greatest guy ever see that's all I sat there and I spoke to him for an hour. We talked about the history of the Rangers and the flyers. What idiots don't you feel dirty though? I did. But then I got up, and I said, I appreciate getting a meet you and talking to you and getting to know your history, and all that other stuff and understanding you had a job to do. But you are really good guy right now, and the Dave Schultz that I had dinner with like the Dave Schultz that used to be I still hate. That's the way that's the way. I reconcile that my head. I also thought maybe if he didn't want to take coal we could just find all the Mets fans in the building. And just line them up one by one and have them come in and say their piece to chase like Evan and Joe Harris and all the Mets fan just come right through sit down you get ten seconds. Chase me ask you a question. Yes. If he were on your team. Would you love the guy? Yeah. I mean, that's an obvious one Brian. I know I'm just saying from obvious. I'm going to really. Really this spot. I hated him for what he did to Rueben. I hated the fact that he owned us as a Philly and as a met fan, I can't stand any of that. But as a professional athlete, I have to say do have somewhat of a modicum of respect for him. But someone see here's here's a Larry and beacon on on this particular topic. What's going on Larry good morning? Good morning. How you doing today? What's up? Larry. I disagree with you GO on the Mets fan. Hating Chipper Joan. Okay. I think we highly respected them every time. You went to the ballpark. You saw them gave you everything he had and give you good baseball. And he never really irked the Mets fans from being disrespectful poom. Sure. But you hated the fact that he was so successful get your team. But as far as the man you felt like he was playing a game right at least whereas chase with the slide that was sort of cross the line. What you're saying? Yes. And the thing is I didn't as much hate him as I wanted to the beat the best. So that's what I thought when I saw chip or coming up to the plate. I wanted whoever was there to strike them out of this that because he was at the top of his game. And I won the Mets to the top of that guy. Like, John rocker's never gonna get any respect for Mets fans a guy like Chipper Jones will chase utley Chipper Jones kids shea, and I met fans as as his career went on and the way that he reacted to the bed ban calling him. Larry and all that other stuff that met fan kind of realize that, you know, he's okay. You know, he's he's he's buying into all this. And he's having fun with it. He's not like an any way shape or form coming off as douche didn't. They video tributes. Yes. It was crazy. Yeah. But the thing about chase that chases got like this. He's like Lenny Dykstra, like, no, he's good. He's Z Philadelphian uniform on you can't you can't compare let Dykstra these probably the wrong. I've talked about on the baseball field. The they called any nails. I understand if you. Now you do. But if you talked to him or talk to anybody about chase utley he was a one hundred percent all about baseball. And there was always a plan. It was baseball baseball baseball baseball baseball, kind of like Jeff McNeil is he's baseball based. I'm sure brand knows the same way. Okay. Guys are the same type of guy were they just go to the ballpark and it love just being a baseball player. Okay. How else to explain it? Still can't stand. The I know because you were Philly uniform at a smirk on his face any, bro. Second basements, laying right? Yes. In in the in the playoffs. I understand. He was terrible player. Wouldn't dislike I wonder how many key home runs? He hit against the Mets over his God. Stopping Roy's that he actually played for the dodgers for four years. You realize that? Yeah. Is crazy. Absolutely. I thought when he left the Phillies to go with dodger figured, maybe maybe maybe that little end a year thing for the playoffs and all that stuff. But I didn't. I never expected in the play as many games. Did. Let's go to George in Tom's river. What's happening, George? Gentlemen. How what's up George yesterday almost verbatim right after the whole Mike thing, even when it was still tense? Okay. She owed says, you know, he says he says is that not what was opposed to happen. My Kohl's, you defend himself yada, yada. I'd rather that where we talk to one another attempt to have a conversation as opposed to it happening on each other's shows. You're right. And now today you say, oh, gentlemen might seen a maniac. He's acting maniacal. I'm not going to put myself in those shoes. Just be more consistent. Hold on a second those George hold on George those things can be true at the same time. I was happy that he called. I was he also was crazy when he called. So they could be true at the same time. I think that it's better that if we can try to talk it out. That's what we wanted to do yesterday. That's a better attack at it. As opposed to saying something on our show him saints issue going around and around. But also that he sounded crazy yesterday what he called in. And he was he was screaming. I think those two things could be true. I don't think that's a hypocritical statement regarding to eat those of the entire have going on. I thought you guys had a breakthrough yesterday. Lou if I call him a maniac. Through. Do you like, okay? So explain to me the breakthrough that we had yesterday. You guys finally got the people to actually listen to the three of you talk, and he called and he put himself out there. He really did. And he was passionate conviction. He was defending himself. What are you want to do? You really did. And then you even said, okay good that he called we got it done. And then you put it. But I think what you're doing that you're taking what I said at the end of that and in the touching meaning to it that I didn't mean. So when I said, my whole point George at the end of it was I'd rather aus- at least have the opportunity to talk to. I don't think that it went. Well, I don't think that it was like at the end, we them our differences. But that's not what I thought. And that's what I said. So honestly, right at the end right at the end, he said perspect-, he said, okay goodbye. He didn't hang up. He wasn't being a jerk. You're kidding, right? With respect told boomer to shut up his talk with respect because there hasn't been listen. We haven't shown respect either. Like, I get it. I'm not I'm not trying to say, we're respectful, and he's not. You like this as well for everybody does. But this was not about that. It was not. And then with people always assume this is this is a theory loved to debunk right now. We had no idea he was going to call. In fact, we didn't realize it was him. Right. He's we didn't do this some sort of stunt, quite frankly, quite frankly yesterday, was exhausting having another thing. Like, I don't like I hope that it comes across my don't enjoy these things. I don't but I get sucked into it. Because possible not to. I would rather come here. Laugh about some stuff. Do Micky Calloway's voice have good time. Talks and football, boomer. Go home to my family, quite frankly, that's what I'd love to do day. But it's so now on wrapped up in everything I'm wrapped up and Courtney my friends. I can't get away from it. Like it. I'm not doing it for ratings on. Okay. Part of it. Talks Daniel Jones, mix them four jokes. CT eve covering football, baseball and basketball, and the radio station and everything else. These kids, folks. It's like what people all you love that you want. You is exhausted exhaust. Call one for the way home. I can't do it. Doing too much. You think what you did was costing sit my seat for a while. Yeah. I know. I know trust me. I know. That's why I don't really talk about it. 'cause I know you guys went through L of a lot more than I did. But it's like it's like every day melt onto my might said, you do this do that. He's back to bike in queens. No, it's me. May calling you guys right now. I don't listen. But. What you said the last five minutes couldn't be more utterly and more misinformation. Okay. First of all, let me talk. To come on here and say that I opined Jacob Tanny. Kyle to have an open competition to speak to me every week. Okay. Number one, number two. You couldn't be I made you look like little school bills yesterday. You look like you looked wisdom Pelosi and Schumer. Okay. When Trump had the open policy open cameras and there. Okay. And you guys couldn't be more and more faked in the founding New York Times. The pump Agana that you put out everyday. Okay. This is this is definitely Trump, Mike. So of course, that is not Mike so Neil best. Relax. All right. All right. All right. Bye. Bye. Is. Respectful you guys. All right, guys. All right. All right. All right. All right. Fifty-seven newspaper articles laid cheese. Over now. Comment on credit cards, and if you. Come in on my screen. Want to do is go home that frigging bike around porn. Porn. Do. Fischel little bit summertime. Come in here. Couple labs go on. So looking for. The reporter reaches out the wiser. Are we talking about? So that's coming to you yesterday. No comment to any of them. Why four hours a day to get my comment? Why would anybody look for a comments nuts? Absolutely crazy. Did you? But you know, because you work your for a long time. Yeah. That this. This is a quagmire. I know this is trust me. I fully get it. And I wouldn't want it any other way because so many people care. So that's that's the caveat of it. But at the same time it has an ended. Anytime soon never gonna framed picture of me screaming and Mike back. Alice. Ten minutes for ten minutes. This is twice. The did. It didn't come out today the three thousand strikers. But I think the original back page of the post was Mike again spree minute you screaming at us, right? My god. Everybody's gotta take. It's great. But that's that's the catch twenty two of it. All is you want it any other way? I mean, I could three years over at CBS sports radio. I said anything I could have done a whole show enforcing and nobody would have ever known wouldn't have matter. Right. But here, you know. Every day something, I know. So it's it's exhausting acquainted to like like being being an athlete in New York as well sort of what it's like a mini version of that is the closest I'm ever going to get to that. We're like you achieve your dream. You're there, but then like something bad happens and then boom microphones in your face. And then all of a sudden like watching you last night kind of navigate all this. Yeah. And I think I mean, I think handled it well who knows John Manhattan. What's happened to John? Hey, I think geo you need to take down a little bit broke. What you should have done yesterday has fun with it. And you should went back at my in the mic. That's what I was waiting for. It. Did it happened? It was like soil familiar blown thing was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did hear a lot of that John. You're the only one. But here, here's while completely honest. The reason why that that didn't pop it to my mind right away. Because it was a serious issue that we were talking about. Yes. If he had called up to yell at me for doing his impersonation again that would have been the time where I would have shot up going back out. Okay. That would have been the time to do it the issue. We were talking about is what he said about a guy who got shot and his college football teammate who was murdered. So it's just that my both boomer, and I we'd said the same thing our instincts were to dial it back Abba conversation about the issues as opposed to just screaming. So. About who has contacts. And who's right? Who's piped in whatever? I don't know. All right. So it is eight to one on the right? All right back on fan here. Investors Bank studios. Also shifts CBS sports heats the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty boomer and geo joining us less than twenty minutes the very catered by Mets fans chase Conley in studio. So that'll be an interesting one. We're hoping that we'll take some calls for many fans hate his guts. So if you ever wanted to yell at chase utley directly, hopefully, we're going to be able to give you that opportunity that most met fans this morning are more upset with Jerry's familiar who gets five outs one out away from a two inning six out save and then blows the whole thing. So Mets come back to win in the tenth Peter Alonzo with a sack fly. So they ended up beating the reds excuse me. Hopefully, they can take the next two of this series because you'd like to beat up on the reds at home and start actually winning at city field consistently. Wouldn't that be nice? Having a nice home field advantage at city field. That'd be a good place to start. The only thing that that I would say that they have going in their favor is that everybody else is kind of like them in their division to lose to lose three one one one two here come back when one they're losing other too. That's why they're frustrating because they just really haven't taken off yet. Now, you gotta get Jacob degrom tonight. And Jacob degrom. You know, obviously has been scuffling has been struggling. Now. It's time for him to see if he can get back on track here. I mean, he's the guy. He's the horse. He's the leader in that club house. And he's the guy that's got to go out there and find his game. He really does. This is every every of start is important. And I'm sure he would tell you that. But this one now given come on the heels of three pretty lacklustre performances, plus the issue in the strep throat and everything else. I mean, what's easels for these guys? Yeah. It's not it's not out of the question. No, it's not I mean, but so he's got to get back on track. He really does. And he also have Tanaka going for the Anki tonight. And hopefully, they split with the Diamondbacks, and they get back home here and the Yankee fans because start seeing some of their stores return to the lineup. So I wanna talk about Daniel Jones a little bit because he went he didn't one of his first interviews post draft on NFL radio. And he said knows a couple of ways that this question is answered who exurbs gonna ask them. What do you think of the reaction to the pick of you giants and number six can either say use it as motivation could say, which is the most unlikely one man, it's really discouraging Z, which not a lot of guys say or it can go the route that he went which is I haven't seen or heard anything, and there's just no way. Now, I don't blame him for coming up with that answer or saying that because there's really nothing good coming out of. Perfect for the giants got the guy that they want. They want the guy that's going to say the right things handle all the kind of criticism. That's coming his way. And be the face of the franchise. I mean, this cannot be easy at all. Of course. It's not. He's going to have this support of the organization that's going to help the coach and the general manager and Eli or always going to have is back, and he's got a shutout that noise, and it's going to quiet down eventually. And then it's not going to be about him any longer. It's going to be about the giants and that's going to help. But these last couple of days if he was some truth serum and Daniel Jones, you can't tell me that the one of the greatest days of his professional life to this date. It is the greatest day of his professional life. That is fault. Not embrace them. They do they really do need to embrace them. And I think they've got him in his right? Be fair. Give the kid a chance if you want to be critical of anybody be critical the general manager for taking him at number six, and then put putting the pressure squarely on his shoulders is the kid that was born and raised in Charlotte, North Carolina. This was a kid that came out of high school did not receive a lot of a lot of opportunity. Go play football was almost going to go to Princeton decided to go to Duke and then playing three years at Duke and a guy in front of him got hurt. He took the seize the moment in the opportunity, and he has grown every year since he's six foot five two hundred and twenty five pounds. Probably be a two hundred thirty five pound quarterback when it's all said and done. So he'll have the body. Type. He has the athletes Zemy runs around a little bit. He was not highly recruited coming out of high school. Like, I said he wasn't even ranked on rivals or any of that stuff. So this kid is just kind of slowly gotten better each and every year and more mature. And the interesting thing is I saw one of. It was Brian Baldinger. Think was talking about the I think it was him who was doing a study on Daniel Jones. And he was saying look at the crappy protection look at the drop passes. Look at the bed execution around him. And man that David cut cliff must suck is a coach, right or in the recruiter or whatever. But, but but still the point being is that we all feel and I think everybody feels that Dave Gettleman reached at number six to get him. And then the stories come out about how Dave Gettleman thinks that there were two teams that would have taken him had he been there. And then those teams refuting that and get into all this tit for tat, you just don't know. Gettleman wanted his guy and got him that that's all we really shouldn't should matter and whether or not this kid takes over this year or next year Gilman's time here at the giants will be decided by his success lack thereof. Right. And you got to remember too. When he was with the giants prior to the Panthers job he didn't drafty lie manning. Anyway, manning, of course, was the quarterback during those two Super Bowls when he went to the Panthers he didn't draft Cam Newton. Cam Newton was already on that roster had some drafts and freed and signings. They went to the Super Bowl while he was there as general managers. This is the first time that he's putting his stamp on a quarterback. I think he did it last year too. You know by taking saquon Barkley by doing what he tried to do with the offensive line last year. What he's continuing to try to do with the quarterback position. I know it's like. What do you do? Right. This is the problem that he finds himself in how do you build your football team? Now, he wants he's always said that wants big defensive linemen, which he drafted this year. He wants big offense lineman which drafted last year and signed on soldiers left tackle, they may still have a situation over there. Right tack Chad will or will be the answer there. But he brings in Zeitler that that's going to shore up the middle of that offense of line. He goes out, and he and he jazz drafts Dextra Lawrence that guy is a behemoth. He's going to be right in the middle of that defensive line. And he's all about stopping the run of the Philadelphia Eagles Washington Redskins and the Dallas Cowboys who all have significant running games right now to see them those team six times. So that's why you go and get that guy. So unfortunately for him reaching number six to get Daniel Jones will determine his legacy here. Now, he has been somewhat. Condescending. Yes to the media's condescending to the fan base and defending himself. I don't necessarily know that I would handle it the way that he did. But you know, he's steadfast in his ways, and he's going to tell you about his resume and seven Super Bowls that he's been a part of. And that's why you gotta hope that this kid turns out to be something special. You just hope fingers crossed Chris's at Rockland county. Good morning. Chris. Hey, guys. What's up, Chris? Yeah. So about what you said where he hasn't heard anything deal Jones well yesterday, I'm I mean the day of the draft. I message him on Instagram, and I said no offense to you. But you shouldn't have picked six draft and got him into Nydia. And he read it like twenty minutes later. Bond, you could tell because seen right? See he didn't respond to Chris that he now you didn't respond respond. I gotta ask you, Chris. And he definitely controls it Instagram account because not that many followers, and it's not like he would have you know, agent or whatever doing that to the kid I would board and I was about the pets. Yes. So you take it out on the kid. It's not his fault. I know I kind of felt bad after. But I didn't I said no offense. Okay. That clears every sure it's feelings Chris do this other players to what I don't do that often. Why do it to like judge Stanton? When they have good games on message them. But they don't usually see it and stuff like that. Okay. All right. Chris keep keep being the Instagram police out there keeping everybody in line. You did a good job. I don't like you fence. But you saw right. I'm so happy that Instagram and Twitter and all that crap wasn't around when I was flying. I don't know. What I'd I'd probably snap. Yeah. Some people do Kevin Durant. One of those guys made burner accounts fight people. Well, that just goes to show you about that part of the insecurity that he's dealing with. So there may be some truth to all of that stuff. That's coming out about him. But I I love Kevin Durant. I want Kevin Durant here in New York City, the one I go I actually would by Nick tickets, if they signed him, I think they might even be at your price range. Maybe if they signed Kevin Durant. Yeah. You might be way up in. In the rafters that hang off so much. I can't remember the last time. I went to a game. Yeah. Worthless. But now now we got a chance also celebrity row like the dues from sopranos. They're going to get out of their heels real. Real Stephen terrip is ride is over. I think you gotta you gotta remember the celebrities that show up during the trying times that's the thing. That's why Stevie sherpa should be good. He should be fine. No way. All he does. He also gets involved in common thing. But the comic thing the fundraiser for the garden of dreams and all east hide in. He's good. Don't worry about him. I hear Howard Stern talking all the time. He says he doesn't want the Knicks at good because then he'll get no good seats. Now, they'll still let him in. Yeah. Have to Woody Allen, still go. I don't know dude, I'm assuming he does. But I have no idea. It was to push them. We back. Mcenroe's? Always there getting revoked. No, no, no, not Jimmy Dolan. He's fine. Trying to think Spike Lee, obviously. I think he pays for his tickets, though, stern still be there McEnroe's he'll be there. Just Steve represented shrimp disease out. He is not out. I bet he's worried about east move or locked in over there for life. I don't know GB smooth JB's hope is another curb your enthusiasm season coming out because he is e relevant right now. Always not he hoisted the jets uniform reveal paid for that. Okay. You get paid for that. You listen if if it was relevant he wouldn't be doing that. He's relevant. Right. He was gettable for the money. They had for the. Yeah. Like second choice was Tony danza. You know, that's the type of celebrity they were going for for that type of thing. Just just famous enough. They were just like we can't afford, boomer. Let's see who else. Okay. They could afford now use. Boomer and GIO with chase utley coming up next. And we're hoping that will allow us to open up the phone lines to Mets fans to yell at them because that would be a lot of fun for us. It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo here. I already looked at him. And he's just one of those guys looks like a good guy too. I don't want this to happen because I know what's going to happen. It's going to walk out of your not a wanna like J subtly chases here representing the Scots field refurbishment program, which is renovating youth baseball and softball fields across the country. And he's also a special advisor to the dodgers, which is like the cool job nowadays wagon. It's got like fifteen special. Does have being one of them. Right. Why? But yes. Okay. So she does what you do. Right. Hey chase. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? Thank you for having. Well, thanks for being suck up to us. Now. This is a weird one for me. I gotta be honest. I was that matured now, I'm in my later thirties. But I was that guy who couldn't stand you on the field. Appreciate that. I would I would do the hell out. I hated the slide and all that I knew your great ball player if he stunk I wouldn't have had those type of motion. So that's gotta make you feel good. But when an entire fan base like the Mets fan base dislikes, you do you take pride in that? Or is that a weird thing for you to them, and it's a little bit weird planet, professional sport. You know, that you're going to have fans that just don't like you. And we had some pretty good games against the Mets over the years of the Reverend that we had was pretty special. Two thousand seven to two thousand ten we're pretty pretty fun years to play against each other. So it's not the most comforting feeling in the world. But it is what it is. So Chipper Jones like loved it. He now he didn't have the slide thing we'll get to that. But Chipper Jones seem to really embrace that. And then the Mets fan sort of embraced them back so much. So, you know, he named his kids shea, and they give them a video trick the Mets game a frigging video tribute when he retired. So I mean, I guess it just depends on your personality. And how you handle those things I was. I was. Growing up on the west coast. Baseball's a little bit different out there here on the east coast. I mean, the fans are into it there intense. They're wild. They love you. Or they hate you. And obviously they didn't fare. I can tell you right now, you're not getting a video tribute anytime city field. That's for sure. So when you out to dinner in New York, do you actually put the reservation onto your name or now? That's something my wife hand. Okay question. What she does. All right, because I just wondering if you've ever run into fans when you're out to dinner here in New York, and as anybody ever, confronted, you know, I have done nothing really know. Wow. That's kind of interesting, especially after what happened two thousand fifteen when you slid into second base and broke our second basements leg. Sure stopped. But the point being is that you end and you went in hard. I did what I did for the past ten years. Bright and hard to second base. I'm a second base myself. So I know that. Created a rule change the rules rule was going to be changed regardless. But yes, I I understand it looking back on it knowing that his leg was gonna break. You changed change it a bit. I would've probably gone into a little bit easier. And that's one thing you do not want to do is hurt an opposing player, but I've. But the intent was to go in and break up. The double play definitely was not the intent to hurt him. So when you know that retribution is coming. That's got to be just a czar feeling. I came up with old school coach coaches with kind of old school mentality. Take for tat so -ticipant, it'd being hit at some point. I wasn't going to be upset about it. If one of our guys got hurt in that same way, I would want that guy to be hit by a pitch which is part of the part of the program. So I was I was intimidated. I was waiting for it. I wasn't going to be upset about it. And I was going to take my base. And and do what I did over two hundred times go to first talking to chase utley on boomer and geo on the fancy BS sports. You mentioned the old school stuff. And now you have this divide with the bat flip you have the major league baseball, by the way is on the side of the younger players celebrating. They like that. When you're now working with MLB, you're still in an organization a year a little bit older, where do you stand on the old school new school bat flips though, I'm torn I like you said I was guy that put my head. Down and ran around the bases. I didn't want to show up the other team. I didn't want to create more. Give myself more attention than than I deserved. But I get it. I understand why guys do it as excited. So game is slowly volving changing in my opinion, the players better than they were ten years ago the pitching now you guys see it on a nightly basis don't heart ninety seven ninety every every everybody coming out of the bullpen and knowing hard that wasn't the case back in two thousand eight. So I'm I'm again, I'm on the fence because I've I've I've played with some guys with both the Phillies and the dodgers that flip bats didn't make me mad that didn't I didn't want to do that myself understand. Why players are reacting to is because there's still some players that just don't feel good about it. And I think the old school players still having a hard time with the the separating oneself. I wanna talk to you about the money a baseball because of what Bryce Harper Machado finally gotten their free agency years that a couple years there that the free agency market was down and still is down. I'm Craig kimbrel. Can't find a job guys. Like, Dallas kaikal still haven't signed a contract. What what in your eyes? What is going on? Now that you work for the dodgers on the other side of the fence. It's a good question. I think players are getting better. I think teams are doing a better job of evaluating talent in and finding ways to. Pick guys out of the weeds that can essentially do the same thing guy that makes three or four or five million dollars. Can do the scouting is better. There's a lot more information. There's stat casts and all these different things are giving you so much more information than what we had ten years think the players are relieved that Machado in Harper got their money. And of course, Mike trout got his money, of course. But but they're still disgusted other guys. Still can't get the money that they think that they deserve. No, they self. I've told I was told that a long time ago, you have to know what you're able to do what you're capable of doing. And also put yourself on that path to be to be successful. And I think that also counts when you're negotiate and contract you have to understand where you fit in. And we're what your value is. And nowadays, I think teams are doing better job of understanding. Everyone's value the the Harper and Philly marriage lasting as long as contract. You think that was a good mix and a good fit for Bryce hard nose player. All the games we played against them. He played really hard. And and there's one place you need to do that. That's in Philadelphia. And so far the fans are really loving what he's doing obviously, he's very passionate. Great talent. So that continues I see that relationship going great. How involved were the dodgers in the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. Because we heard the reports, but how serious did get that's way over my pig. Right. Yeah. So as a special adviser, you get the phone call Bryce Harper, your, of course, what are you kidding me? See you later. I didn't get that phone call. But yes, all right. All right. You're here on behalf of Scots in the field refurbishment program, which is renovating youth baseball and softball fields across the country. Tell us about that. Because obviously getting kids playing baseball for the rest of time is crucial to the game. So what are you doing with Scott huge? Choose. I think it's important. We're talking about earlier. You know, the conditions of some fields. Nowadays, aren't aren't aren't great. I was lucky enough to play on a beautiful field grownup. And I want my kids two boys seven and four I want my kids have that same ability to grow up on on on fields that are that are safe that are fun that that you enjoy actually going to in Scots over the past four years has done a great job of finding these fields that that need help this year. They've given out four for grants team here feel here. New York one Chicago one in Oklahoma also want an Allen town, Pennsylvania, which hits home to me being close to Philadelphia. So they've done an amazing job of of just fixing these fields and making them a safe place. The kids can hang out in. I have. Like, I said to boys that I want outside all the time. I wanna limit their screen time. I think that's important as young parents to recognize that being outside is important. I grew up outside all the time. California can't be outside. Right. Did you? Do like when you were getting ready to play the Mets and you were coming either city field or Shea Stadium. I mean, like did you just want to piss off or what I mean? Like, did you? Listen up playing against the Mets. I did love planning the atmosphere was great allow their intense, obviously, didn't like us. But that's still that created more adrenaline. So I think that can elevate your game been so those all those games were really exciting. Because of that. And yes, there's plenty of fans. I remember coming off the field one time. And there's a boy he was. Ten years old. Maybe that's what we start young here and years old. And as I'm walking in the dugout. He's looks me right in the eyes. And he goes, I hope you Blinken dot. And I looked right at his dad like I can't believe he's ten years old. He said this maybe his dad and his dad repeated the same thing as. Okay. What we started getting chasing. You have a heart attack and die. That's right. New york. I can tell you that you seem like a really a decent guy fun guy to be around. Even though you're kind of quiet. You're more quiet than I thought you would be, but I got your villain. I mean, that's just the way it is here in New York fine. You don't embrace it because we had a hockey hockey fan, but Sean Avery joined us earlier in the week. It Sean Avery is just that antagonised, and he loves it. He's looking to fight people in the streets, and he needs this fuel him. You're the exact opposite of that. You would you would like it. If Mets fans liked you. That's the that's the sense that I'm getting from you. I appreciate the passionate part about the fans in the Mets not not really taking kind to me. I don't like it. I don't hate it. I felt like it. Propelled our game a little bit. See I was going to open up the phones and see if met fans had some to Sadie thinking that maybe you would actually like that. But I'm thinking you're not going to like that. And I don't want to do that to you. You can do whatever you wanted to that. What do you think Al you want to give it a shot could try give it a c put dopes through a thing produce a dope through hopefully every now and again a dope. Does get your Mets fan. Wanna talk to chase only have something. That's not. I hope you being die because we're not gonna have any of that. But you know, we'll start. I'll make you feel good. Yes. We're going to start with this guy. Chris Staten Island. Chris go ahead. What's up guys? Hey. Some fan. And I made the mistake of any my son of to hated rivals. And name is what the hell are you doing at Chris I with? With. Yeah. No. I. We can't we don't want to call. Chipper middle name Clements, right? We do have a guy here who works on our staff who did name his son after you could use a Phillies fan. So that guy's gonna wanna picture with you latest that'll make her feel good. So so we'll see if we get a couple of phone calls of Mets fans. So baseball is something that you're never going to get away from that you are going. This is going to be part of your life for the rest of the time. There's certain guys though that once they're done playing. They want no part of it. I wanna go do something else. Why do you need the game in your life? A baseball Rhett. It's in my blood. I love it. I enjoyed it. I was a student of the game. I wanted to. I wanted to be the best player. I could be felt like I got probably more out of my ability than I should have. And I want to give back the relationships that I made in Los Angeles last couple years, we're pretty special young team. A lot of talent try to help them moving in the right? Direction. I want to continue that relationship this whole analytics wave in dodgers are at the forefront of it with Dave Roberts and everything else. And the way you guys manage our the way they manage games and things of that nature that do you like that? Or do you? Do you understand that whole impact or the impact that has had on you guys? Yes. It was obviously different than what I was accustomed to see the importance in it. Now, I see the games games that we won because of that strategy. So it wasn't really that way in Philadelphia as much as wasn't that way ten years ago period was the strategic aspect. There was a little bit there. But not as much more information now together, they can they can give you a sense for the manager. It depends. It really depends on on the guy. Dave does a great job of taking a bunch of information filtering it and and using it when he feels like he needs to. But it is important specially managing bullpens difficult. Nowadays, matchup situation, is is is a real thing. But I do see the benefit in using some analytics go to Tonio in east meadow. What's happening? Antonio. Hey, what's up, boys? Hey, man. Chase utley. Let me say this. You are villain to me. Ruined. Grueling life high school, the wheelhouse those seven away ten awful, obviously, our spec the hell of you is a baseball fan. I also hate you. I thought that the second year a hard bass player, but it was stupid smart and finally stupid. But you didn't play games three and four, and we got you out the dating and fun. Two. I want to I want to ask about that collapse in the Mets collapsed from our perspective. When did you think that that was a real thing in two thousand seven or you could actually overcome that deficit, and and get it done. That's a great question. We focused on our weird thing, we didn't really paid attention. How the Mets were doing. But our focuses on trying to figure out what we need to do to win essentially every single game. I remember it was seventeen seven seven seven back with seventeen ago, and we lost Billy Wagner. Yeah. Yes. What happened? Yes. So I mean, we played awesome baseball the Mets play terribly at that time. Don't we all know? Yes. And so yeah, it was a little surreal the adrenaline the action. We had at the stadium. The last week was crazy of fans, we're going nuts. And I remember that last day that we obviously score were watching a little bit. And I remember playing defense and I think the Mets game finished the loss. And we were had a decent lead. Remember, the crowd going crazy sense of calmness? Came over me. Like, we're going to this. Richie and Franklin square. What's up Ritchie? Guys, come on. As much as I hated you as a Mets fan, I always wished we had a guy that played his autism played even though you broke shortstops like we never had a guy that played his one hundred ten percent. So that I'm glad I did. Hey, I gotta say. Sub respect their appreciate that. I didn't expect that. Yeah. Meet me, neither pull in Brooklyn going on Paul. Before I kill ya. I wanted to know do know that the cups. Thoughts was renamed the only method. All the home runs up there. Yes. That I wanted to add. What else you got? Okay. And then when you're broke his leg pretty much ended the guy's career. How did not guess spended? You think you should have been suspended, obviously going to say, do you think outside he should have been suspended for that? No, I do not think. That's why appealed it. No, I slid heart. Listen, if doesn't break, we're not having this conversation. I'm not the villain. But unfortunately, we collided just upper tune time for his opportune time for his leg is obviously unfortunate. I would do it over again if I could. But no, I don't think I should have been I don't remember his years ago now, but did you reach out to him at any point? I have a conversation or two Rueben Todd. Yes, I did have that. There was no conversation. I've tried to reach out to okay, didn't go. So. Well, it didn't go. So. Well, all right. Textra or gift basket or something? Or no. Try to get a hold of him through David Wright, he passed on messages. I wanted to talk to him. You didn't wanna talk to me. I sent him a very nice bottle of tequila to say sorry. It's kind of like me, and John Randall, John Randall was one of my favorite players in football little did. I know that he almost tried to kill boomer out on the football field. We have the Super Bowl guys are about to come to blows. I'm all excited because like my favorite player bowl time, my radio partner doing so. Well. Last one for chase. He's been great. He's here representing the Scots field refurbishment program. Really, a great sport going through all these colours Kelly in Connecticut was going on Kelly. Hey well. I just wanna say to real quick. I do appreciate that. You've worked with dogs and kids I've heard about that good for you. But that's the last thing. And then tell you that I really respect about you. If you came out here, and you were telling me, you know, I liked being the villain. I didn't really care. It was fun for me part of the games might have even respect to that a little bit more. But it doesn't really seem like you care about anything. So I just need you to know is Mets fans. How annoying it was watch you respect that. You're a good player. I understand that. But when you took out my shorts in the playoff that wasn't about talent that was just being dirty, and I don't care how long you told me that was if you'd be an old school that would be being dirty because that's what you do. And. Look, everybody's gotta take on. Right. Of course, while shipping sweetheart. That's very very kind of you to do that. Because you could have said no very easily and you sat through that. And we appreciate that. Because it's entertaining radio and Mets fans is sort of cathartic for that. Very good luck guys. Appreciate it. Thanks website. That people go check this out anybody nothing. No, okay. Very good Scott's, and they'll be document Moby dot com. Deasy is that the Scots field refurbishment program and best of luck in your special advisor role. And you're going to have a great post plan, totally relaxed. You're the man you're working in baseball, less stress. Now for manager someday. Now, you don't think so things you want. Travel. Seven year old. I want to hang with them. All right. Sounds good. All right. Chase on the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty boomer and geo say I was thinking about chase Ali still hanging out here, by the way in the green room Evans walking around and said Evan. He's waiting for the DA show. Aboard the mothership zero. Chase for a second. So one of the most hated rivals. Like who are the other New York hated rivals say Reggie Miller has got to be in there. Right. Sure. For me it Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin hate those guys, but you got to respect their game. Right. And sound like what met fans nobody cares about hockey, boomer. Yeah. About how about how about a? Sean Jackson for the giants, right? That guy. Drove giant crazy. Yes. That doesn't seem to it doesn't really has there been one recently for the giants. There really hasn't been that you think about the Cowboys and the Cowboys heyday for sure. You think about the giants championships? The first go round like recently. I can't for the jets would be Tom Brady. Right. But I mean, it's not even a fair fight. But I'm, but that's the point. I mean, here's a guy that really successful comes off a little bit swore me because of the way he is. And who he plays for how many championships they won Mitch? Meanwhile, the jets of wallet a mediocrity. But it wasn't like with the chase thing. It was consistent for a longtime multiple games a year where he would be for the Rangers. I can't stand. The Mets were good. Then two they didn't get the job done. They were good. I mean, they were good. No, seven good. No, wait, and they collapsed both years when that was going on and they were good in two thousand fifteen when the whole slide. I get I get it. But I mean, the jets had the Bart Scott game. But wouldn't you think like Michael Jordan is kind of like the way Chipper Jones is to the met fan? Michael Jordan the knick fan. You'd get a Meyer him, and you respect them. And he's the greatest of all time. Yeah. I mean, chip or something greatest how about LeBron James that never really LeBron James. He goes are really good. No, those two is those guys are good against every team. Like chase utley just had a thing against the Mets the gun on them. Really good though. But what Batra queuing was here for the Nixon they work competitive because of Patrick Ewing. It was Michael Jordan. It was Reggie Miller. Those guys in the Eastern Conference always became a thorn in the side. Now, they we beat them every now and again, but I don't forget about those heat teams to that. We cook Tim Hardaway PJ Brown, and those head group couldn't stand them either a little bit later in the ring. Lonzo morning. Yup. Absolutely. We had a coach office leg for God's sake. Yeah. I do think that for the Yankees. Pedro Martinez comes to mind right away. You'd have to say him. Yeah. Well, he got into it. Yep. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, the jets I mean, that's a tough one jet. It's gotta be Tom Brady. But it's got to be. I just I don't know that there's nobody dolphins. There's nobody at the bills. It's got to be Tom Brady. It's got to be Bill belch Abba, Bill Belichick. Not playing, but he resigned as see the NYJ AL's point like Bella check and Brady that's against every I don't know. And the biggest games that were played every coaches ever come here since Bella check is taken up over up. There is like I'm not kissing rings. Rex Ryan what? And what came out of the last meetings with CJ Moseley got to beat the patriots in their right? But I don't know. I guess so there's really no other better answer. It really is to show Jackson for the giants. Live with that. Yes. He's hasn't hasn't been awhile. He's been a while since he was there. But he was definitely at thorn in the side without a doubt. I mean in the classic punt game, Tom call running out in the field. The punt return. Twenty two you. The giants fans. The hell it is. The middle of the field. What was supposed to directional kick? Right. Right. Right. I know I just doesn't make any sense, but the the Mets multiple guys because all those years with those battles with the Phillies and the Braves right and the Braves because you had brought. You could also say could you say Bryce Harper with the nationals to some extent. Yeah. I guess I mean, but he will now him with the Phillies just gotta continue which is going to grow. I mean, that's for sure. But yeah, I mean, Noah Syndergaard, Bryce Harper gotten into it a little bit. Now, recently, like syndergaards, his social media stuff troll them a little bit. So that's it's not the same for me being older as it was then because now I just I don't I really don't have the same type of hatred towards people. You know, like when I was a younger fan was not because you have a child now. Right. I mean, I was totally affected by it. That's part of it. Yeah. I mean, I just think in general you mature to this guy. He's doing best. He can. Professional ballplayer back. Then you gotta love it. That's why that he was going to embrace the villain role a little bit more than he did. Yeah. It was strange because not everybody is showing Avery. You're not everybody's Chipper Jones. Not everybody's looking for that. And chase utley wasn't looking for that. Himself in it. And they also had a bunch of home runs and pinch hits all sorts of nonsense against those. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Which is which is alternately. Why you don't like the guy who was it was a Christian Leitner who said when we had him in that. It's a good thing that people dislike me because I'm good. If they disliked me for some other reason, I would have been a property. But that's what I keep reminding myself that the reason why people dislike because I was good. Do you think that that Al dukes is creating a trend here with the guests that we tend to get on the show now? Villains about. Yeah. I feel like we're we're kind of like one Bill and after the next went from Sean Avery to Mike francesa, Tangy, Mike francesa, right? But that wasn't a book about that. Just that was happening stance birth Smith coming in. Man, you guys ever see that Bruce Smith collapsing on live TV. Yes. Thursday night football or something it was it was like a local buffalo thing. I think it was a local buffalo. They had him on set. Like, they're like a sports report. He's talking. Bove just goes down. You got to watch this out. If you haven't seen it people have seen an exactly what I'm talking about. He just goes down. I think he might have been a little bit of a good time that night not moving is has been knocked unconscious, but he is not moving at all, boomer. Guy killed. TNT? Football Jay, Neptune. What he got Jay. Boomer. Listen, I'm a lifelong Yankee fan and the guy that I could not stay on. I could never sit down dinner with them. Even if he was buying it. Luger's big Papi. That's all. I gotta say. Yes. That's true. Absolutely. I don't know why we left him out with the Enke's. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. Pedro Martinez to stand. Pedro martinez. I kind of want to watch this Smith through the old man on the ground Zimmer right by his head. Right through to the ground. Don Zimmer's like you was like physically bobblehead body. Yeah. I read the guy by the head thrown down by the head. I remember as a Mets fan that really pissed me off. I was like you've gotta be kidding me. Elder abuse, you grab this man to hate it. But you go out there and started fight with each other at home plate. What is doing? I mean, he did like charge them. I mean what what is he doing out there? Yeah. I thought it was great though on that that that was great theater, including theater. I wish we were doing this show. Then that would have been amazing. Could you won't get in here? Tomorrow morning and someone on the Red Sox through an oldie Yankee coach to the ground. Holy cow. Zimmer? I remember that video Seymour charge them. I always I said at the time. I remember thinking get out of the way. Right. Just get out of the way. You don't have to take a by head and throw a ground like a rag doll. What was more ridiculous that or being Gundy hanging on Lonzo Mourning's leg that was definitely the Pedro Martinez thing definitely? But van gun the I mean, it's just as tiny guy. Seven foot basketball players. Tiny bold guy down there hanging on for dear life. Crazy stuff that's gone on we need more. This would happen if things like this. Yeah. I mean, there's just there's certain times in rivalries that stick with you forever. And that that time of Yankees Red Sox. It'll never be like that again. I don't think I really don't. I can't imagine it a again could be recreated. Here's a great one Stevie in fort Lee, Stevie what's happening. Shocked that you man, you forgot that is. You're right. You're right. There's no question about a pot fen sucks. We know. Speaking of that, some hockey. Well, hold on. We'll get one more in here. Tony deer park. What's going on? And Tony Ed guys cat borough. Yeah. I know I couldn't stay player. This guy was terrible. Against the Mets guy was Babe Ruth the. I know I know drove you nuts and smug face to had that smug face. That old thing to thanks, Tony. But you've got the islanders back in action tonight. So this is the whole this whole thing. Just pisses me off the fact that they're in this situation. Then like, I don't want to sound like a crybaby the Barclays Coliseum things. We would talk about and there's no way to quantify what they wanna won those games or one of those games of at the Coliseum sucks. You know, how I feel about it? I mean, but right. But we can't you knew the situation. You got to man up. You got to be a professional all that stuff. You go out there you play the games of the Barclays, but you don't doubt. Oh, two now and having to go onto road, which went to be a good thing for them. But still you down. Oh to go on the road. It's like you had all this time off things broke well for you the hurricanes going seven games. And obviously the capitals are a better team overall. That's you got to go to Barclay's the Plato's games. It's just it's thing for the pan is whether or not calc Lauterbach will play tonight. He's got back issue. And you know, he was helped off the ice on Sunday. The question is will he be well enough to play Razek or mcelwain macaroni Muratovic? I think is going to be out. And you know, the interesting thing I did talk to Matt about macaroni. He was a teammate of Macanese up in Toronto. Yeah. Hey, guys are really good goalie man, this is like we can't you can't assume anything in hockey, you just never know. And as we've seen with the Columbus, blue jackets and their goalie Sergei Rabovsky he's actually stealing that series. He was unbelievable last night. And you know, you just you just never know what these boys in, Robin. Leonard has been good all year. I suspect he'll be a good again tonight. It will be a physical game will be fast game is actually played really. Well, they've hit a couple of posts especially in game two. They play well, this hockey, sometimes you get the breaks. And sometimes you don't gotta get in front of mcelhinney. They got they cannot allow him to see all the pucks coming to to the net. But he was he had a good year for them. He and Meraz expli- season hurricanes, and they were good. They were quality goaltending. So the other hands full tonight, I believe it will be another low scoring games could be a two one or three two type game. And it's going to be it's going to be physical. It's going to be fast. And you know, Matthew Barzel has got to continue to create. I he mates and open the ice up for the guys on his line. And then, of course, Matt's line has gotta go out there, and they got to be physical just like they were to start last week game. And look the hurricanes dealing with a lot of their own injuries. So both of these just goes to show you how hard it is to win the Stanley Cup. When you watch these these games. These guys are killing each other. And everybody's losing players. And it is a six got win sixteen games, man. It is a. It's it's a beast do it. And that's why it's so much fun watching it. Yeah. Well, this is a true must win. Because you don't want to go down three. Oh, so this is this is really at the islanders season comes down to get in a victory jail one period plunge shift one period one game. Right. So you're an island or fan. So that's the way you gotta look at it eats mooning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty boomer and geo to last night, the NYPD foundation gala dinner, it was a man who was retiring after twenty five years in Puma got him a costume retirement. Football made very very nice, and boomer was going to throw this football to this man as a retirement special event. Right. So we meet the guy before this football toss. Yes. And we say twenty five years on believable. This is great, congratulations. What are you going to do? Some funeral homes stuff. Some funeral home stuff. So we should some funeral homes. He's like my family. You know, we've had a funeral home. So I'll just do some of that stuff. Simple. What he's Paul know. Dress up a couple of bodies. Excuse me goes money hundred dollars a body. It's no problem. So I said hundred dollars a body at its takes about two hours pallbearer right now, I told the story last night on stage and people thought it was a joke thought, I was kidding. No. He's series the guy series. Computer stuff? So with white is still working. She is a transit cop who's who's working up through the ranks. She's got some more years before she retired. So he's got to stick around and killing jet off to Florida with family. So he's going to do some funeral home stuff. So at that point. I'm like, he's not catching the football. There's no ways catching a football. So we get to this moment. Bluer gets the football jacket is off of holding boomers jacket and winds off guys about I don't know what you say twenty yards away. About thirty about thirty yards away over winds up. No practice tosses. No stretching. No, nothing donate. It was born to throw their GO zoom perfect spiral through the crowd. Wiz ING by plates and glasses and hit films music pops right of John of beautiful spiral. The foundation dinner has many of the honor is so there it goes baskets of bread that are catching wind from this football right to him there. He stand in funeral home stuff guy. He's hold a puts his hands up. Through his hands. Pretty accurate. Yeah. He came up to the stage is basically you gave them a little toss. So I had to talk to you got to catch. If feel better about absorb loser. Loser. Triple so, I someone recorded this and send us the video. So I just retweeted that check that out on Twitter. You can get here in the back of the. It's got to be done. A great moment for him though. It is nice special moment, you'd think at a retirement all of the great things that come with that. The good news though. He's got his Tharman all setup he's going to pull bearer's. It'd be great could blow your bucks for two hours, Paul bearing a tough business. How much how long do you think it takes the dress a body? He could do five day five hundred bucks. If you have any bodies, right? Like, the success of your business is the demise of others tough business. So when you said yet, but if you're in that is a good day financially people are dying to get in there. Oh, jesus. You know of all the dad jokes. That's the one we go to right now. I guess it took two hours to dress. Oh, he said as a pullback era it takes about two hours. Okay. Gotta go through whatever service. There may be too. Obviously carry the coffin get to get it to be said he was doing the other stuff to those the other stuff. Well, which is that that's what I got Paul bearing. Is that what we call it Paul bearing? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Right. So you would get one hundred bucks for that. And that takes about two hours. So the way he looked at it. And if he bucks an hour, Harry a dead guy for fifty bucks an hour. His answer was in. What are you doing post? Retirement funeral home stuff. That was his answer. Hey, how many people answer that way? Go to Florida. Do take time off to relax. I've got to be there for my kids when they don't school box deadbeat. Yeah. Right. Funeral stuff. All right. Good luck. All right. Jerry recco. Is back with his update. What's happening? Jerry are brought to you. By the rake auto group. Schedule an appointment today to rake Tina service in her first class service at a Ford -able prices Yankees Diamondbacks. Don't we? Don't we? Zona about that for. Because I thought about it after we had the conversation. We just had that conversation. If you actually a joke. It is. It is. Going to see if I can play this through the microphone the the the horror of him missing. All the bedpans at city field last night. We'll get to them to do the Yankees. You got a nice moment for CC's about one to two. Murphy pitch came out swinging. Sheridan's three strikeouts. He has three thousand next CC's about the hall of fame. John sterling the call here on the fan three thousand two after last night. He struck out five, but the Yankees did lose to the Diamondbacks hit on the ground. There is a basic Tuchman feels throwing and it's late on to second Flora's gogo. Olds on base in an are beyond for women. Florez Bogarde beyond two one Arezzo three one the final score David parole. The knocking in the other run later in the game belongs to Sobat the but for him. He got the three thousand afterwards thinking about it, which is relief. Since the end of last year, you know, coming up short fourteen strikeouts. Kind of like the last thing. I've been the only thing I've been thinking about for the last six months now he can finally put that to bed for manager Aaron Boone he looks at CC. He's famer. I mean, you know, this is one of those. Big numbers. Handful and numbers in our game that get you into all garnered just kinda wishes that could have won the game. His NASA worried about personal Schmitz. He is the team. So unfortunate that we weren't able to scratch if you more than cost them to win today, but not series finale this afternoon with Masahiro Tanaka face Marakele on the fan at three o'clock first pitch three forty as for the game that boomer just alluded to you. Had Jerry's familiar going for the six out save. He gets the first five outs leading the reds three one. And then he implodes with nobody on to out in the ninth gives up the lead. But in the tenth the Mets do put together a rally and get the victory from the bail his pitch Alonzo too high. This one plenty put up near the wall. He makes the fence Davis tax third. He scores went to with a suck wind. No put it the books because how we rose not on the call. That's Wayne Randazzo. Any eighty doubt that Pete Alonzo was going to get that done. Whatsoever. Yeah. I would say very comfortable very confident kid is going to come through. There was doubt. He was not having a great night give it, but you know, you had to do is hit the ball. Now. They did a easier. Done. But yes, he did get it done and the mental back over five hundred fifteen in fourteen four three win not to be forgotten inning starting with a leadoff double by JD. Davis Maki Calloway at bat together against that guy. Is is unbelievable glaze is Sears Calloway. Unbelievable. Why not just do your job? And that what it is. Why does the whole night attached to it because it wasn't playing? He came in late in the game. It was his first at bat in the night, and he was down to against the closer could jog a nasty stuff. Crop situation may be credit. Here's Mickey on familiar outing. I saw a guy that was lights out for five outs. He's gotta take pride that. He he got five big outs in this game tonight that if he didn't get those out we don't win the game and him who familiar Calloway Calloway. She'd say I love him. Oh, he didn't say that last night. But he probably has in the past. Here's familiar through a translator, nothing really changed. Really doing the same thing. Like trying to thing. I know some some of the pitches kind of stayed over the plate a little bit. And it was those single kind of kind of did the damage now. In terms of the good stuff. Here's a Lonzo getting a game winner. Also, I mean is really cool to come up clutching a spotlight that. I mean every game's important, and I'm just really happy. I could come through for the boys. No doubt. He says McNeil Cise. She made sure he left the spotlight for Alonzo peel the walk off I could've done right there. But. Doing the single going to move them over to third and then in terms of Vargas, he was good last night five and a third gives up a solo home run. But for the most part he's pitch real well McNeil as TV show and had a great drag on earlier in the game that drove in a run. Here was Mickey Calloway on that came in and said that's bag baseball. And that's where he went to college. They were called the dirtbags. Yup. Here's McNeil talking about him being a dirtbag. I played their bag baseball that that's probably definition right there. I mean button the third base, you know, just doing everything he can't get in the guy small, boomer. Don't like it. Scumbags. That's baseball. Oh, sorry. Bed. Baseball. It's easy to get those two mixed up shake your hand. Disclose funny. Everybody's favorite neighbor. Divers beat the Phillies three one. And apparently, I guess the Phillies AAA affiliate was trolling the Mets last night or two nights ago. One of these Jacob rim enters the game. And they put on the board rain giving up the home run Phillies game. We're not happy about that. But not the Mets AAA Mets screen. Oh, where they Zurich nuts grin. They were not happy. But I do think they won the game. So they get the last laugh also of note you had the Red Sox beating the as five to one Indian stop the Marlins seven five and the brewers over the Rockies four to three NBA playoffs. And we hear from our favourite one two punch. Tim ROY in his guy is the warriors beat the rockets with a scale rivers goes down curry those head to the head of the field. Houston. And so. Eighty eight eighty the warriors lead lower. I know that is he doesn't even really do a good job of disguising his voice there. Either. You know, if you're going to be a ventriloquist gotta have two distinct voices. One fifteen one nine the final score. Kevin Durant finished with twenty nine Klay Thompson at twenty one and three steals. Here's Steve Kerr. Two games to none were winning games are supposed to win nothing has happened yet. So we gotta go down to Houston and be ready to play because you know, how good they are. We know how hard they're gonna play. Here's Draymond green applauding the refs on this night. Green and near triple double. Let us be physical both teams. And you know, what I made because it any and he is happy that where you're moving beyond all the foul stuff because the last day or so really are dumb disheartening. For a game that I love since. I was a child to see the talk over the last two days. Nothing about basketball and everything about foul call, but hopefully that's going to over and done with what's not over and done with would be more drama for Houston. Because James harden almost lost an eye. Let's be honest. Here's Mike dantonio tough shooting night because of that way through stuff guy. Look like, he was you know. Not in great shape. I they might have cleared up a little bit. But he got got pretty good in the eyes got raked in the eyes. Here's harden who said he had trouble for sure after being poked. Early could see. A good barely could see. Great. If you said like you barely can hear. Yes. That would have been great. He didn't say that. No. But he did have I drops in whatever he did of twenty nine points in the loss bucks over the Celtics one twenty three two one two Janas Kupa with twenty nine points and ten boards. Eric Bledsoe had twenty one kyri Irving did struggle. He was four eighteen from the floor for nine points. Any added pressure for him being the leader of this club. And they certainly need him to do it. He didn't game one. There's no extra burden. This is what else onto for this is what Boston traded from before. So and he certainly expects to be better in a game three. That's series is tied at one in one big night for Chris Middleton to twenty eight point seven rebounds there tonight game two for the nuggets and blazers in Denver with the nuggets up one game to none. The islanders hurricanes are back on the ice. They will be in Raleigh. Of course, the aisles down two games to none in that series. Coverage on radio dot com at seven will join it on the fan following Yankees baseball, the Rangers get themselves. Harvard defenseman Adam FOX Carolina for the thirty seventh pick in this year's draft a second round Jericho, Long Island, Jerry. I did I heard. Ranger fan. Nice sharks. Beat the avalanche for two blue jackets beat the Bruins to time. Now for moment of the day. Brought to you by Resorts World casino in queens over six thousand games NYC roles. We had a couple of really good choices. And while I think the better one was you on the events of yesterday, a very close second because it's so rare and so different. We're going to go with our friend and die hard met fan Kelly. Okay. Who decided to call in and have a little discussion with chase utley? You real quick. I do appreciate that. You've worked dog and kids. I've heard about that good for you. But that's the last thing. And then tell you that I really respect about you. If you came out here, and you were telling me, you know, I liked being villain. I didn't really care. It was fun for me. The games might have even respect to that a little bit more. But it doesn't really seem like you care about anything. So I just need you to know is nuts fans. How annoying? It was watch. You respect that. You're a good player. I understand that. But when you took out my shortstop in the playoff that wasn't about talent that was just being dirty, and I don't care how long you told me that was being old school that would be. Dirty because that's what you do. And i'm. Everybody's gotta take on. Right. Of course. Sweetheart. Best part of the video is a she's railing on him. He's just sitting there. Sipping some coffee. Oh complaints. No worries in the world. No, right. Exactly. Right. What a career when a life. Now. It's amazing. We really. Yep. Boomer GO on the CBS sports network.

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Fiers Fest

"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. These baseball tonight the podcast. This is the baseball tonight podcast for Wednesday may two thousand nineteen. I'm BUSTER only our producer every day is Josh macaroni. We have a lot of baseball to get to. But just before the start of the show. Sad news coming from the Philadelphia Phillies organization. One of the most respected in mired executives. In baseball is the Phillies wrote and their release David p Montgomery passed away this morning at the age of seventy two after courageous five year battle against cancer. And look I can tell you this in the time, I've covered baseball. There's no more beloved owner front office bigger than Dave McComb, Ray, just shoop nice super personable when you meet them in person. I did not know him nearly as well as our old friend Jason stark. And Jason this morning tweeted out the sadness across baseball over the passing of one of its most beloved citizens Phillies chairman, David Montgomery is almost indescribable baseball. Has never had a classier more dignified more respected more upbeat ambassador than him r. I p David will miss you every day. And there's no question Jason captured it correctly in how people feel about David Montgomery. Some sounds from last night the Mets played the Padres in San Diego and Pete Alonso. Hit a long home run in the top of the ninth. Here's a pitch dry. Forget it this baby is gone. Hippie Jimmy old western medicine company warehouse. Out of feel to on hold on for a long his over the air. The Mets take lead at a seven to five New York in on the Mets broadcasts the cameras pan right to Chris panic. The Padres pitcher who had struck Alonzo add a couple of times the night before that sound by the way, how Iro's WCBS the Mets win this game seventy six the dodgers play the Braves Justin Turner had himself day. The one Turner with a fly ball to center field day, going back at a wall at home. Justin Turner with his second home run of the night. His third of the season and the dodgers now leading five to nothing go from second. And I and Turner for the fly ball the left field. Justin Turner, his third home. Run of good night. Three one blast hit is now nine to nothing. Charley Steiner AM five seventy L A sports. The final score was nine. Nothing the Yankees. And the Mariners in Yankee Stadium in New York was down forty two in the bottom of the ninth inning. And then this happened. How deep the same appeal going back there still. Trek? That was Michael k on the yes network, and then the Enke's would finish it off. Alone. Visit bruce. They come all the way we'd be gave to four so not only the key surviving with all their guys in the injured lists. They also are thriving with how well they're plying. They win that one five to four is Michael described the cubs in the Marlins and I mentioned before Sunday night's game. Joe Madden and looked us in the is in our meeting in told us, Chris Brian is ready to go off in man. He has been this is what happened in the bottom of the ninth inning of the cubs game against the Marlins on Tuesday night and the one to Brian drives on the air. Deep left center field that goes Galloway near the fence at the wall homerun Kris Bryant with a game winner hubs win five two. That is in the cubs radio network. Yeah. I think Josh that we can say Joe man knows something a little bit about hitting because he was telling us how quiet Bryant swing had gotten. Now is prepaid setup. Was quiet. Who's taken the ball through the middle of the field since that conversation. Three homers and three games hitting zoo, animals wine. Joe madden. A lot about a lot. Buster the knows a lot about a lot the Phillies beat the cardinals eleven to one with help from Bryce Harper. Time to go yard to one. Swung on hidden ear deep right field. Martinez back to the track at the wall, and it's gone into the car Novo pen and Bryce Harper has hit a grand slam here in Saint Louis sits his fourth career slam. It's his seventh Homer of the year and the Phillies break open a six spot here in the second. It is six to nothing got France ski sports radio ninety four WIP with that. Call the twins beat the Blue Jays three to nothing. Jose Barea who's great on the mound, which Garber was great in the batter's box and well-stoked left field. This ball's got a chance at ball is gone. They Mitch Garber Courant Homer his seven to the year that twins Nollie three to nothing. But Guira did not miss that. One. Gladden? The best boys in baseball on the Treasure Island. Baseball network. Came the day game of the day. No question about it out in Oakland, the athletes versus the reds the reds red hot offense going into this game. Fifteen homers thirty seven runs in their previous four games with the team Opie s over a thousand on the mound for the Oakland Athletics. Mike fires ninth year in the big leagues four teams career era over four record of about five hundred. But in this game, he was pretty good. And he got help from his defense in the top of the sixth inning. Not going to be an easy play pull far hustling over there proof bar that he caught it. Jerks. Pray with a tour heading toward Joey vodkas. Oh for two in the fish vodka was a five all left-center Laurie honor going back still going back at the track at the wall. Leaping at the wall. Back to back on believable plays. You'll never see to better plays in sequence than that Lori on a racing toward lift center. Just to the right of the three eighty eight Mark in full extension. His pious. He can go back. His the wool over the wall in brings it back. But would have been a sure home run at first call NBC, sports, California and Ramon Laureano call from eight sixty a m the answer, and you could see on the face of Mike. Fires after Laurie on caught the ball. Yeah. Okay. Maybe this is a special night because for fires. He knows what that experience like he threw a no hitter back in two thousand fifteen jerks and profile did some damage in the bottom of the seventh inning. That's called driven the gap right center field did well for the wall, and it's gone. Sure. Oh form. Laser to right center. His third home run as an A, and he gives Oakland a cushion now leading food and up. Now as athletics were hitting in the bottom of the seventh inning, Bob. Melvin the Oakland manager went to fires broke the unwritten rule that you don't talk to a pitcher who's got a no hitter in progress, and basically said to them look your pitch counts getting up high a hundred and eight after seven innings and he told him if you walk somebody in the eighth inning. I'm coming to get you because I'm not going to have a situation where your pitch count gets completely out of control top of the eighth inning. This is what happened shift the infield. Here's the pitch, Dan. Swung hit the right field hit. Well, but it squabble Bescot is right there about three steps was left. He makes the catch. And fires works and economical one show. Three eighth inning. No hit baseball for fires to it. Eight sixty AM The Answer. Yeah. That eighth inning just nine pitches that set up top of the ninth inning. Nobody out and fires ready years the wind up and the old one pitch, and that's swing and a high pop up on the infield Kevin coach down from third plenty of room fair. Territory right between third base, and we'll play he makes the catch, and, you know, little prompt client Van Meter pitch hitting pops out to Chapman. And that's the first out when nobody aboard. Here's a turn in the three two on the way slug on a grou- Bata. I also scoops it up goes to the bag three unassisted to. Here's fires reading federally already. Here's the turn the kick and the two deliveries on uh, Frankie and Mike. Fires has second. No hitter. Tonight on may seven two nights seen. He has done it. Really? Oh quitting hundred and thirty one pitches. His second career no hitter. And right after the game. Mike fire spoke with NBC sports, California. Those lights working well. I could have been a bummer you made the Wayne worth of all we can say, right? Made it worth it. Incredible. Appreciate you guys restrain here. You know, we always try to put on a show, you guys you guys always show up in, you know, get out for us. So thank you at what point during the game. Did you realize that you were throwing a no now? A new really I don't like when guys say, they're not. They don't know you usually. No, you don't wanna think about it until a little bit later. But. Yeah. I mean, I I. Put me back in. I got this. Yeah. Yeah. Had had to tell baba. I'm good. He was he was talking to us looking out for my health. But I mean, I'm just glad you stuck with me. Can you say about your defense a couple of mazing catches Ramon Laureano sexting? Incredible Ramones catches done that once or twice that's normal play for him. Pro far another mazing play man fatally it a great game. Stick with me as well. It was just well play ball game. I mean, we thought it out and we won the game. So that's the big part. And I know you turn the no before. But how does it feel to join this elite club here in Oakland as athletic? It's fun, man. I love playing here. I love planning in front of these fans and love these guys here. It's it's amazing. It was apathetic manager. Bob Melvin it was a great night. Obviously for him for team fans. Everyone who wants to see no hitter. It was no fun for me. Once he got past one hundred twenty pitches. I promise you that. But you know, what he deserved it? You know, even after the walks. It is still a good after that. I really didn't plan on you know, after the seventh thinking he had enough pitches to to get through that game. I broke every rule than the book and told them half to the seventh. No, more baserunners. So he knew if he gave up based was coming out of the game. Pretty amazing stuff. We got a fun conversation today with Tyler glass now who is breaking through this season for the Tampa Bay rays, and we'll be talking with him. But of course, we're going to start first with this tremendous no hitter. Let's get to it. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show Wilkinson ship. Welcome to the show. Show. Welcome to the show. Maybe you're in the show with TV show and feed. And the show Dave shown fields. I know you're up late last night. Watching the no hitter. I confess I had gone to bed. I wasn't aware until I got up four thirty this morning and saw the the highlights and got to read about the no hitter pretty cool night for Mike fires who to me the Pitta me of journeyman. And I really mean that with great respect he's had a terrific career nine seasons. Four different teams era over four. And yet he joins us group of pitchers who throw in multiple. No hitters pretty cool night. Yeah. Pretty amazing. What is he a game under five hundred in his career? You know yet? He toys this list of guys with two note. Hitters, you know, Justin Verlander is one of those among the active pitchers. Yeah. Amazing night and the game started late. So for those of us out here in the east coast. It was what two thirty in the morning, I think when that game ended, but a lot of fun. A lot of fun. And look every no hitter. It seems has one or two amazing plays. I mean, Mark Burleigh with the perfect game. Remember, twain wise, I think that probably was the best player ever made in a in a perfect game. I think you put that at the top of the list, he had these two unbelievable place for made back. Toback Laureano gets a lot of attention because his took a home run away from Joey Votto. I gotta tell you between the two I thought pro Forbes catch was the more incredible of the plays. What did you think? Yeah. Those were in the sixth inning back toback pitches. Actually. Yeah. Pro far on that little blooper in man's land down the right field line in Carl farmer was the batter diving catch and he kind of had to make a last second adjustment. I don't know if the win got it or whatever. But yeah, really, you're right. Laurie. Atas catch was was great. It did rob bottle of a home run. But it wasn't necessarily a spectacular play. It was very good. But pro FARs play. You know, I don't know what the hit probability on that as but it's pretty high just a just because where it was located just which would those two plays in your eyes was more difficult more difficult. I'd say pro FARs more impactful leery on us lorry-owners me. Franscisco and my Ramon. But let's face. It the hero the night. I felt like was Bob Melvin the Oakland manager who just as you could see in his face and that press conference after the game he was tortured by this whole situation because fires pitch count was really high. It was at one hundred eight after seven innings, and that's why Bob Melvin went over to fires in basically broke every rule. That is always been observed about no hitters in progress. You're not supposed to talk to a pitcher. And he was dead on us with fires in telling him. Look if a guy gets on base, I'm taking you out of the game. Here's my fires after the game in the press conference talking about how he felt after that conversation. Yeah. It's it's always it's always tricky. You know, they in a game like that. When a guy has a bunch of a bunch of pitches. And you know, he's definitely looking out for my health and he's looking out for the for the team as well. You know, we're trying to win that game close game. So you know, I thought you know, the game if any runner got on. I was going to be coming out just with. All the pitches. I had so, you know, I'm just really thankful for him to leave me in, you know, trust to me, and I told him. No, I felt great felt like everything was working. So it wasn't. It wasn't a matter of, you know, being tired or whatever it was. You know, I had a gentleman at that point. But just trying to stay within myself and trust vaguely behind the pay behind the plate in his pitch. And it's amazing how the standards have changed over the years for the number pitches that are acceptable. Because Dave when I first started covering baseball. It was not unusual at all to see a pitcher hundred and thirty pitches. Then it that's slowly lowered one hundred and twenty now it feels like if somebody's over hundreds like, oh my God. So the fact that he had a hundred eight pitches through seven innings you knew that Bob is going to be wrestling with this whole decision. I loved how direct and honesty was with them. And I appreciate the fact that and look they were talking about the no hitter and whether or not it'd be good to leave him in the game. You put someone on? He's also trying to win the game. It was close game. And he's got a pitcher whose pitch count is mounting. I thought Melvin handled this perfectly. What about you? Yeah. No, absolutely. Had Lou Trevino working warming up in the eight and then like trying into the ninth. So yeah, I think he's right one base runner, and he would have been out and you're right hundred and thirty pitches. Absolutely. Does not happen. These days in fact, since two thousand fifteen there's only been five games with hundred and thirty pitches in two of those were from Mike fires at his no hitters to others were no hit bid that went to outs in the ninth inning. And the other one was Clayton Kershaw onto game. When he struck out fifteen batters. So you're right. We grew up not even thinking of pitch counts, and certainly not thinking of one thirty as something that was an absolute hard line. But it is. And unless you're pitching a no hitter, you know, nobody goes that far anymore. So yeah, congrats to obviously, Mike fires. But congrats Bob Melvin for handling and letting them stay in the game and finish it off. And they asked me I did go look and wingo this morning, and they asked me the question is it worth it to leave a pitcher in in this situation? I said look if it's Chris paddock of the San Diego Padres. And he's too, you know, twenty one twenty two years old, and he has a night like that. It's pitch counts up there. No, you're grabbing him by the SCRUFF of the neck. You sit him in the corner. The dugout you're saying son, sit down and watch the last two innings for Mike. Fires you know, almost a decade in the big leagues at that age all the mileage on his arm. Absolutely. Give them a chance. And I you know to this day, for example, the cautionary tale of these situations is always been Johansen. Tanna since his manager. Terry Collins left him in the game to throw a ton of pitches to get the first no hitter in Mets history and Santana just wasn't the same after that. But I understand why you would leave a guy like fires a veteran guys been around a long time given the opportunity to finish that game. Yeah. He's thirty three years old. I don't. Think he's at any serious arm issues in his career. He's not a guy that throws ninety eight member last year. Sean nukem was one of those guys through one hundred thirty four pitches lost his no hitter with two outs in the ninth. And there's a lot of criticism about leaving him in in that game throw that many pitches. And I think he faltered down the stretch. I'm not saying there is a correlation between that game. And, you know, his final two months, but yeah manager rightfully so are so concerned about pitchers healthy days that you don't want to risk it even no hitter. Which is why some people have said no hitters are dead. They're not quite dead yet. So Shohei Ohtani returned to the angels lineup last night. It's a big moose for that team. Big moose for the offense. You can bet that might trots going to be helped out by his presence in the lineup. Dave, I feel like that what has sort of been obscured with all the attention on Otani is one of the ripple effects of this Otani is basically going to be the everyday D H. He showed last year how good of a hitter he can be in the big leagues. And now our pools one of the greatest hitters of all time a future hall of Famer he's basically been pushed into part time role. It looks like he's effectively in a platoon with Justin board, maybe Albert will play. We'll Albert was certainly play against left handers bore may play against some right handers. But this guy who's been tremendous, you know, approaching what twenty seven hundred and fifty games in his career toward the end of his ear in his nineteenth season. He's become a part time guy. Yeah. It's a really tough situation for the angels. Know, especially with a new manager and Brad office this year. Then again, it's kind of been a tough situation for the past couple years. I mean, he's this is his third Yuna row now with an on base percentage under three hundred certainly if there wasn't the name PU holes on the back of that jersey. This would be an issue, you know, because he probably isn't a full-time player this stage in his career. But yes, it's still advert whole six hundred thirty eight home runs nineteen hundred ninety nine career RBI's. It's hard. No matter what stage in the guy's career a bench player of the stature. So yeah, it'll be interesting. If if it's a strict, you know, platoon that means he's on the short end of it only playing against lefties, which means not a lot of playing time. If that's the case for our pool halls. Yeah. When it was around the team all I've heard is that Albert is like, you know, what we just we're trying to win and do whatever you need to do. It reminds me a lot of you'll remember. This when each row was traded from the Mariners to the Yankees. And there was a question of how you know. What's each we're going to do there in the keys told him, Brian Cashman got on the phone with him and said, I want you to understand you are going to be a part time player in each row was all in on it, and it feels like that sort of Albert's embracing this situation. Good cop. Yeah. I think so I mean each had advantage where he was at least until a good defensive player. So he's still got into a lot of games at the minimum at least coming in for defense. Layton games who holes doesn't have that part to his game anymore. Can't run doesn't play a great first base anymore because of the legs and whatnot. So yeah, it's going to be I think a little harder for Albert to adapt than it was for each row. I'm fascinated by the work that Madison Bumgarner is done. His last two starts last night. He pitches in Colorado and like every pitcher works in Colorado. A little bit of a crooked line three runs. I think in six innings but again good outing in which the giants win. And like in the outing last week when he faced the dodgers a lot more use of his fastball in the first starts this season. He was run about thirty five to forty percent fastballs. The last two starts that's jumped up to sixty percent. And Bruce Bochy told me in a text. He's throwing more fast balls, and he's throwing with a lot more conviction. I think is reminding people of just how good he could be and the more that I talked to people the more. It's clear the giants are open for business right now. Like if you want a frontline starting pitcher, we one of the great postseason histories, you can call the giants today and make an offer for Madison Bumgarner, it's a good sign for the giants that the these last. Starts dave. Yeah. I think it's trade value has really gone up this year. The are a I know people might look at oh three nine that would be the worst of his career. But you look at those peripheral numbers which had really dropped off last year. They're backup this year case per nine nine point two highest since two thousand sixteen the walks that were up last year are way down just one point four per nine. So that's an strong indicator to me with that strikeout-to-walk ratio that he's healthy. He's pitching. Well, he's confident like you just said he's throwing the fastball. Much more trade value than he had heading into the year because of the concerns from two thousand eighteen Dallas kaikal one of the two. Most prominent unsigned players the other, of course, being closer Craig kimbrel spoke with Yahoo sports. And he basically indicated he's standing on principle on what he thinks his value is one of the quotes he gave if you would've asked me on the first day of free agency. I would have said no way I'd be here. On may six on sign. Am I the best at this point in time? No. But I am more a more. Then or better than some of the offers. I've been given absolutely and day. We talked about in the podcasts. At the beginning of the free agent periods. Scott Boris is agent toll teams he was looking for six or seven year deal for twenty five or thirty million dollars a year. He the teams heard that and they moved on to other players. And that's why I was actually surprised as interview was done because I get it that you're standing on principle the some degree, but we can't gloss over. This fact, Scott made a mistake like in Scott's been one of the I think arguably the best sports agent we've had in United States history in terms of the deals he's gotten, but he simply botched it in the fall. And that's why Dallas is sitting here today. Not because no one wanted to pay him. They just didn't wanna pay them. What's got was talking about last fall, though? Right. Look, kaikal and Boris might have their own athletics on what Kyko is worth. But at this point, you got to throw those out at the door because the only analytics that matter with the team say your worth, and it's not what. You were asking for. And I look at this point. I'm guessing if any offers come in it's going to be after the draft at June when the draft pick, you know compensation issue goes away. So that means another month, you know, the draft as early June. So he's not read at and then the factor, and how long until he's ready, that's at least probably two or three weeks right after he signed. So it might not be until the all star break until we see him pitching again in the major leagues. Yeah. I've said this before I'd say it again, I'd Dallas always love talking with him. He's a great guy. If we were close friends, I'd say douse just go sign. Yeah. You your clock? If you think of it, like, the, you know, the the hourglass tipped over on the side, the Santa time is running out and the less he pitches this year the worst position he's going to be in free agency in the fall like he needs to pitch, and he doesn't have a lot of years left in his career. Now that he's. Thirty one. No factor. The money you've lost this year. Probably going to be half a season's worth of salary. And then if you have one bad month, which is normal but during the season, you got five other months to make up for it. Now, you're not gonna have that so one bad month Yar as going to be bad at the end of the year, which will lower your value for next year. If you just end up signing a one year deal. So that's why no matter what you think you're worth. Unfortunately, it's always better just to sign and take what the teams are going to offer you because that's probably going to be the best offer you're gonna get right in what we heard in early March that the offer that he got from the Houston Astros, two years at twenty four or one year at fifteen I do not know if that offer is still on the table last one for you Kris Bryant has homered in his last regains and a lot of times. Dave when you hear manager say this guy's ready to go off it feels like about ninety. Percent of the time. That's a manager who's trying to bolster the confidence of the player like trying to prop up the guy who looks terrible. But he wants to sort of give them a little boost in the indicate that he believes in him before our game on Sunday night baseball. Joel Madden was just he said he's ready to hit. I can see it. He's quieted down its mechanics. He's ready to go. And Jesse Rogers on the podcast yesterday talking about how Bryant's dad is in Chicago now working with him on his mechanics and low and behold, man, Joel Madden. He nailed that one. Yeah. Three straight games. Now at the home run five is last ten I know I don't know if Jesse brought this up yesterday, I looked at this a little bit ago before this stretch. And he really wasn't pulling the ball at all. So that was to me certainly a concern. What's going on? Is there still some issues leftover with the shoulder homerun last night? He hit it to left center. So he's pulling the ball. Again. That's a good sign that these home runs are going to keep coming. Right. Dave great to talk with you. Thanks for your time. Okay. Thanks BUSTER will be back in a moment with Paul in bikinis. But I want to tell you about one eight hundred flowers dot com after childhood full of unsuccessful attempts to pull the wool over. Mom's is to you really think she won't be able to tell the difference between a last minute mother's day gift and something truly thoughtful this mother's day. Don't settle for anything less than the biggest and brightest bouquets from one eight hundred flowers dot com. One eight hundred flowers has amazing offers them beautiful mother's day bouquets and arrangements starting at twenty nine ninety nine with an amazing selection of sweets, treats and bouquets, one eight hundred flowers has everything you need from others day. 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He's the backbone of the show get up and hembo Europe as affiliates fan, we opened the show today with the sad news about Dave Gumri, passing just from the perspective. And I know you didn't know him personally. But from the perspective of a Phillies fan what today mcdumber mean, especially during those great, you know, ten twelve year run that they had he was he was a giant bus there as one who grew up as a Phillies fan as you said from. I'd say about two thousand on I was a fan of the team during my teenagers mostly at that time during that time, and what strikes me about they've Montgomery more than anything else. I remember back to I think it was two thousand and three. How impactful he was when the Phillies signed Jim Thome e and then as they move to the new stadium. How excited he was about the new ballpark and that really ushered in a new era affiliate baseball. And while they were obviously, a number of great players. And and what have you associated with the Phillies resurgent during that time? They Montgomery was really a rock within the organization during a time in which they were not they were not very good before that as you know. And that is when the Phillies truly took off as an organization once they moved to the new stadium, and they've Montgomery's place as sort of like the foundational piece upstairs with the Phillies is that. I think any Philly's fan my age or older will tell you. He obviously hasn't been in the spotlight for in the last several years because of his health, but it's hard to overstate his impact within the organization. Yeah. And as we said at the top, I mean, look the accomplished a lot in baseball. But by all accounts of people Numa lot better than I did Tyler kept near the New York Times. Jayson stark other executives people just cherish, Dave and they cherish what a person who was people net organization. Talk about how well he treated them. So baseball loses a giant there. You always send me topics ahead of time. One of the topics you want to get to today. The cubs turnaround. Well, they're slow start was well documented doing two and seven obviously in their first three series the allowed seventy one run during that time. But since bus with the cubs on eighteen of twenty four they plus sixty two run differential. Both of those are the best marks in the league and their best attribute over the last month is their infield defense on ground balls during that time, the cubs have converted eighty one percent of them into outs and allowed an opponent batting average of one seventy two. Both of those marks are better markedly better than their twenty sixteen. Numbers. And you know BUSTER that was the biggest drank their World Series team. No question in and I feel like that you just became like Joe Madden. Because that's exactly what you told us in meeting. The other day that the defense has been really important. This one intrigues me. You sent a note asking about the best player in baseball. You've never heard of you may not know the name, but Casten hero should be the brewers. Second baseman today. The ninth overall pick in twenty seventeen out of UC Irvine here is tearing up the Pacific coast league. He owns a batting line of three forty eight four zero eight seven sixty eight that's fourth-best among all AAA players with one hundred plate appearances in history of Armendariz will limit him to second base, but Milwaukee should still create room brewers third baseman on an opium of five seventy. That's the lowest Mark in the majors. It's high time. They moved might mistake us back there. Move travelled out of the bench and promoted the crown jewel of the farm system. All right. I'll tell Craig counsel over the weekend when I see him worms. What's the problem with you guys got make this change? And we talked yesterday in the podcast in our negative day. What a democracy the Marlins are what you got on the rubbed off on me at their current win percentage. Miami is on pace to lose one hundred sixteen games that is something only four teams in the history of the sport have done, but based on their run differential, they've actually outperformed their win total. The Marlins case for a minus three forty seven in their own differential category. That would be the worst Mark by any team in eighty five years. And when you boil it all together with ex Marlins thriving all around the league in Miami is on pace to become the first team since the two thousand and four Expos to average fewer than ten thousand fans for game. They moved to Washington the next year real quick. Do you agree with me that when they're firing people in April? And may it makes them look stupid like losers when they get up to bat start. Yes. You can't do public relations worse than they do it. And I thought that would be a I think that would change with new organization and seemingly better structure up there. But they do it just as. Bad as they always did before just so the new coat of paint. All right. So this thing happened in an interview that I did last week and Josh, and I had the exact same reaction when we heard the voice of one chase utley give listen chase. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me BUSTER, and we noticed Josh. And I right away. Oh my God. He sounds exactly like, hembo. We're hembo, says exactly like him. And you know, what we're thinking that you may have modelled your voice after chase utley guilty or innocent guilty as charged. Not only did I model my voice after chase utley. I modeled the way that Iran. I modeled the way that I through I model the way that I hit here. I am he ever seen. Join a nice long big league career our careers when a very different directions. But I wanted to be chase utley for for the entirety of my teenage years probably up through college. When I finally realized I wasn't going to be a big leaguer. But look anytime you're gonna compare me to chase. Anyway, I will take that going away. Josh. Chime in here before we go not that has nothing I can say that would be appropriate for this family podcast. Yeah. Exactly. All right Hanbo. Thanks for doing this. And yeah, a compliment for the rest of your life. You might not play like chase utley. You might not look like chase leave man you sound like chase later, boys. We'll be back in a moment with Tyler glass now. But I I want to tell you about edible arrangements have done this before but of doing it, again, it's refusal get your gift alert mother's day is Sunday may twelfth everybody. If that reminder gets you a little anxious because you don't know what to get the moms in your life, then join the club. Luckily, animal dot com has you covered edible. 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I'm guessing you probably got like a compliment from an opposing hitter somebody in another team staffer something jump out into the season to to you run into someone or text it with someone after game. And an aide said something really great till you. I'm I've been by parents told me that acid or they'll start that the manager on the near. You've said that I looked pretty good. So that's the only thing I can think of now I think just like I guess kind of. No and some guys throughout the league on like, everyone kind of stays in touch and just like small talk here and there, and I do remember an eighteen facing McGaw Cabrera and cutter wants any like looked over at the Doug outer said something to someone on. I remember being there. Oh my God. It's like Cabrera you think so good luck. It was really a coach. So yeah. I mean, those those kind of omens always get what do you think has been pivotal and putting it all together? This just the change in mentality. I think it's just goes from rotates just trusting my stuff and kind of realizing good enough to be up here and not every day. I have to feel perfectly I can still go out compete. I think before I was pretty blocked mentally as far as mechanics go. I was always convinced myself. It was like a mechanical problem and something I need to do like fix to feel perfect. And I think I once I realized that nobody feels perfect in all it is been Taliban. And if you go out there, and you think you can get someone out underhand, then you can go get someone out under him. Like, it's just I think the biggest separated for me. It was just that the confidence aspect. Yeah. It feels like the one you described that like the karate kid popped into my head like in this is so let let me ask you. So what would it all together? I mean, what made you sort of realize that what what conversation. Do you think might have triggered that? I think it's it was always like an ongoing conversation with with Blake and Kyle. And I think just for me the biggest thing. Helped me was like failing in seventeen and it's always heard like you gotta fail before you can really like bossom into what you're going to be in in the minor leagues and stuff out here that and be like, yeah, that's make any sense. And I think seventeen I failed so miserably and that was like my relative rock bottom. I guess and I think from there. I was like I mean, it can't get worse than this. You know, I can go and pitch. And I think going like why don't even know what it was like two and seven seven six I was like I've I've faced the worst of it. I failed on a national scale like if there's not really much else, I can do to make this any worse. So I think the mentality of like I've been through it. I came out stronger. The other side has helped a lot, and I think me getting traded over to Tampa really talking like he kind of made the same adjustment from seventeen to eighteen. And so that's just kind of been like an ongoing discussion with us. So that's definitely looks probably health. So did those talks when you got traded over there? They start right away. Did you guys become like throwing partners or something like that? Where immediately. You're you're talking about this. I actually got traded over in and my my locker was right next to Blake's. And the first question asked him it was like, hey, what are the difference for excessively eighteen like the first thing he and he said like it was a mentality thing. And and and that point in my career, I guess he got traded over. It was another kind of like. Oh, okay. Like well. Thanks for nothing. Like, I was just like we need a metallic doesn't make sense like, and then we we kind of discussed it more. And I think I I realized specially coming out of spring this year that I had like a pretty bad spring. And then I just remember warming up for the game the first game to ashes big like, do you know, what like confidences, I can convince myself I'm confident I don't need to feel perfect in order to to feel confidently. I can tricked myself into thinking. However, I wanna think and I think that really was a realization for me. And I think it's easier to there's a journal and going through your body. You can look at it as negative and saying nervous or you could look at it as a positive and say, this is a journal. This is helping me pitch today. And I think working with even Bernie with. Th- the pirates metal schools guy there, and we have Justin Sewell here. That's always something that they will stress free heavily. And I think I was able to to really feel what they were talking about. And I think just from their of realized it's just mentality. Switch so tell me what that felt like then when you brought that into a game, and it all translated. Felt really good. I think especially you kinda struggling spring going out that I and and just realizing like, yeah. Like, I can I don't need to feel perfect. I can just go out and throw, and I think that aggression in that conference really started to kind of creep up as I was one that for the game. And it was just kind of tricky myself to switch into that mentality. And I felt really good against the Astros. First couple innings and there some comfortable swings. And I was like, wow. This is I can do this. I just need to believe in myself. So, but yeah, it felt felt really good. So tell me about the raise two thousand nineteen. Pretty good, man. That's that's all I got you. So like cookies everybody's on the same page. I mean, everyone's doing really well right now, we're all trying to win for each other thing. That's another helpful thing is I think maybe in the lower levels, you can get pretty like, not selfish. I guess but like the mentality of like I need to do well for myself to get to the big leagues. And I think once you're here everyone is working on. It's complicating the same goal of winning World Series. So I think if you kind of put the stress off of your own wellbeing and just try to do as well as you can for your teammates at allows you to really just feel comfortable out there. Italian you that razor viewed is one of the most progressive teams analytics not that the pirates weren't. But when guys changed teams that we saw this Justin Burland or going from the Tigers to the Astros. They brought some ideas to they brought some thoughts to them. Besides the metality part that you're talking about. What were some of the ideas that appealed to you when she went over there? As far as the analytics, go or to see our whatever the raise brought to you. Hey, this is what we see. This is what we want you to focus on actually. So that I was actually going to be like four days before I got traded over. I remember looking at some of the stuff 'cause I never really got into all that stuff with the pirates. And I forgot I think someone mentioned something about like baffles up, and we went and looked at the numbers in my fastball up numbers with down much better than that traditional kinda like low away like just trying to paint corners. So I I kinda figured out right before I got traded over and then right? When I got traded over a couple of days later, they kind of approach me the same thing, we talked about it. And we kinda just linked up real fast. I guess that's it like this is the metality. Let's go forward from your like heaters up. I can play my heater off of that. And then it'll make my curveball play even more. So I think it was just I think knowing your strengths for me like finding out that that was the most optimal way to pitch for me. It was easy to kind of just not think about. How to set up hitters and just think more so along the lines of you know, what to do like, go out stuff guys. So I tell people all the time. The most interesting interview I ever did was in spring training. That's spring training with you when I asked you about he have any tattoos, and he just burst out laughing. She well, I got to get one of inside of your lip and one of the bottom of your foot. Tell me again that was again, how that came about had a roommate. My I remain Pro Bowl. I was just like a just a I don't know used a little kid. I was seventeen years old. And my first repairs are Jones for Alesana, and he was a huge little Busey fan. And so I've ever just kind of it was like my experience away from home. And it was just kinda like that. Us. Just my I remain such a good, dude. And he just like was older than I was like showed me a bunch of stuff. And I think we just became really good friends. And then like I was just sitting there goofy white kid. I got the note you had to all my lip is like kind of a joke. And so that kind of just stays at me is like it just is a good reminder. And then the bottom I foot is portrait of db from Tang clan. And I'm always just been into rap music and whatnot a lot of it to just mostly kind of like inside jokes and whatnot. And so, yeah, it's just some good old times with some dumb tattoos. Are you going to get any more as you go? I don't know. Maybe I thought about it. But I don't know. I think we'll probably be like an in the bogut decisions. But as of now, I think I'll I'm pretty good on the tattoos. Yeah. You're doing. Well, as it is. All right. Tyler was always great to talk with your. Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate you have me on guys. Head is full of surprises. 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Dodgers who you got raised BUSTER raised after you've been busting my chops the last couple of weeks forever in the Ray. I don't know what you're talking about raise number one team in baseball. Yeah. You're absolutely right. Raise dodgers twins for me. One two three. Yeah. Okay. You're wrong Astros twins, Yankees, four five six. What about you Astros cubs Yankees for me? Yeah. I already had the cubs covered. So I didn't marginals Phillies. Brewers seven eight nine cardinals Diamondbacks. My Padres seven eight nine. Are you? Sure, I'm looking at your list. I think he screwed up your list here. You said to me head of time you and Yankees Diamondbacks pot. I moved the Yankees to six BUSTER. Thank you for paying attention to my words. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. When you talk, you know, I just shut it down. Exactly, I'm well aware. I've got I've got Diamondbacks at ten how about you. I have the Indians at ten because I had the Diamondbacks at eight, but I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you for coming around in putting the raise in their rightful spot that doesn't have anything to do with our interview with Tyler does it. Let's move on. Bleacher tweets. All right BUSTER, we will move on. We'll move on to the Bleacher tweets the first one from poor Dez at Yvo Horta's says how long do you think it'll take for Shohei Otani to make an impact for the angels as a D H. He's been out since last October as everybody knows. But I think he's too good a player not to make some sort of difference. Yep. If you have a fantasy team put him in the lineup. The guy is amazing. And he's going to rake Marc Sherman at shark Merman guys with Domingo Herrmann pitching as well as he has who'll lose their spot. If and win all six of the Yankee starters are healthy, Mark. I was you about twenty years ago when I covered the Yankees in posing questions like that to Tori. Joe it always look at me, and he would smile and say don't worry, the baseball gods will sort it all out. And other words, someone would get hurt the Yankees go into spring training every year we like nine veterans starters and at some point the five declare themselves. I think that there's too much of an if at this point 'cause we have no idea about Luis Severino, especially we don't know if he's going to be able to contribute anything this year. So I don't mean to dodger question, but I'm going to dodge your question, you know, his works out. It always has and it always absolutely Doug underscore nid differ or ni- differ at Doug last name. Same smelling the reds have played sixteen. One run games. Buster they're five and eleven in those games. They played at seven actually now eight to run games and their three and five is it safe to say there are actually more competitive than their record indicates. Yes, doug. I totally agree with you. And they are fascinating to watch the Braves and the reds are the two teams for me where you're watching the way their games, they're playing out. And he's saying, you know, what they're kind of putting it together. So I agree with you. We're going to be watching the. Leads. But of course, they're playing that crazy competitive National League central absolutely Rena, of course, at Rena banana, the NATs travel woes and fatigue after night games were mentioned earlier in the week on the podcast. What are some other factors that can affect player or team performance at the casual baseball fan may not see or no? Well, a lot of times, you know, players are dealing with ailments. And a lot of times players won't tell you about those. And let's be honest here. You got a bunch of guys in their early twenties. Yeah. And they're out and about some guys will go out, and they might have a couple too many. And they might not be feeling so great the next day. And that's why a lot of times, you know, the old phrase flu like symptoms. That in some club houses that's been a code for. He added a few too many last night. Yeah. But I don't think about just I wanna make this clear. I think that happens so much less often than he did when I was covering a beat writer twenty years ago when so many players on a daily basis, we're using ephedra means to get up before games, and they were drinking after games to come down. I think players are much more in tune with taking care of their bodies. Absolutely players are definitely taking care of themselves better and flu like symptoms can happen. Whether you're playing the field for the nationals warrior in the cubicle on the second floor. It happens. I was gonna I was gonna ask about. Mustard this one from drew Allen, drew at the drew abides says yesterday, boop talked about how Miami's one of the toughest markets in sports, regardless of how the teams are playing with that said, what's your ideal market places? Like, New York have passion. But the teams under the microscope. Are there all the time? So is there a happy medium? Cubs. I think would be the happy medium right because I think and. Yeah. Cardinals and cubs. Absolutely. In fact, we were writing to the park the other day before Sunday night baseball. It was in the car with Mathis Gershon and seven hours before the game. You cannot believe how many people are in Wrigley veal and walking around. And I said that every time I hear somebody say baseball's in trouble like I was like come out here or go out to the go out to Saint Louis like five hours before game. And you see the mount of people that are there in red in Saint Louis and blue and Chicago. Yeah. Those are great steady places. No question about I think there are definitely there obviously are steady places on the east coast as well as well. As on the west coast having lived there as my. Yeah. My whole life. There's there's a level of anger there and a level of not being patient. I think places like those mid western cities, you have the passion and the people who really. Care about the team. But there's a level of patients there and letting the team grow and develop during the rebuilding years. So I think that makes a big difference. It also makes a big difference. When you get your Bleacher tweets into us. Please continue to do. So use the hashtag Bleacher tweets. Yeah. And my thanks today to Tyler and hembo into Dave. And Josh I was thinking about this as you were talking about like the fans I and this is not baseball. But I'll never forget when I told you growing Vermont who was huge Lakers fan. So I watch those Laker Celtic game bird versus magic. And I always noticed how the eighty of Celtics fans northeast fans when the game was close you hear like this grumbling as the ball was being dribble of the court. The Lakers go on like a six to run or something like that. And even here it actually now that I think about it at Fenway park like Balwant there's all too. There's a grown in in the northeast and along the eastern seaboard that I ninety five quarter that you just don't hear another parts of the country. And I understand how it could get the players. That's exactly right, right. Have a great day everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight podcast if you're claim fantasy baseball forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all podcasts at ESPN dot com slash pod center. Baseball tonight, the podcast.

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Cub's Brennen Davis - World Series Preview

"Welcome. To painting corners your weekly podcast for all things baseball. Now here are your host Austin, Hartsfield and Dave Witkowski. Welcome to episode, seven, painting corners, seven. The number of games took the dodgers to get to the World Series. My name's Austin Hartsfield. DIB kofsky is here with me as always Dave. How do you feel about the dodgers going to the World Series for a second straight year? I think it's something that I was very surprised about considering the dodgers losing every series except for the Atlanta one because I think everybody was going to be Atlanta, but their team like we talked about last podcast. They are your Kansas City Chiefs are Washington Capitals, great, regular seasons. They make the postseason just can't get over the hump last year. They made it all the way to game seven and lost the Astros and they had an awful regular season. It was injury plagued for sure, but not a good regular season. They ended up winning the west in a playoff, you know, one game playoff game plan, and other back in the World Series. It's great for them. It shows that they can do it. They obviously have a loaded talent pool and they went out and may trades they made moves, and you know, they're, they're the real deal. They're definitely the hottest team right now in the west, for sure. Yeah, that's that's absolutely no question. I mean, that's why they they're here. I mean, they will be here for any other reason except they got hot, the acquisitions of mainly which auto looks really, really good right now. Even the Brian dozer one doesn't look awful. I mean it got you to this point, right? Yeah, he made. He made some key hits. He started game had a couple of singles. He's not hitting the not slugging the way that they thought he would, but he had a down year to begin with. So I think that was to be expected. The Machado deal was huge and just getting these guys to all be healthy at once is was their biggest thing all year. The brewers were the hottest team to go in, but I don't think they were the best, but the dodgers are probably the best team on paper and then they got hot. And that's why they got here. I mean, it took him seven games, which is hard. I mean, they played a four game series against Atlanta. They played a seven game series gets, but walkie they had a play a one game. Basically, he's the one game wild card because then they would play the wall car like the Rockies did. So they've been through the wringer, something that they haven't been used. For the past six years, they've usually been top of division, you know, and all the way through. And the question marks gut to October this year was the opposite where they struggled all regular season and then they got to the postseason and just they basically been lights out, did this that in the entire season without. I mean, my personal favorite player in baseball. That's not Andrew Benintendi and doesn't wear Red Sox, Cory Seager mean guys had hip problems had Tommy John surgery as shortstop. They did it the entire season without him in my home or self is coming out, but definitely improved at the short stop position with Manny Machado. Yeah, I don't even think it was a an improvement like a Homer thing for you. I think mainly Chato is better than Cory Seager. I think he's gonna get paid better than price Harper or maybe he should Charles a real deal when he cares at shortstop position, he's unbelievable defensively when he doesn't care. It shows in his defensive UCR over this baseball's the Randy moss. Like if he played every single play. Be awesome. Yeah. If he cared every single play, he went ball. So the wall every single play. I mean, he talked about how he's not Mr. Johnny hustle and then went out and had a bunch single. But I've did even hustle that hard there don't even know, but he's obviously he's a douche. I think that people are just starting to see the real baseball fans knew that anybody in a Red Sox fan or Red Sox division has known that he's been like, this is entire career. He's a crybaby, you know, he's he's a perfect Yankee man. He loves to start stuff, not finish it. He loves the point fingers, but he loves to also carry himself on a very high level for no reason. Let's talk about the hasty saggy play. How is that the dirtiest thing that you've ever seen in if it's not? It definitely comes a close second to teammate in one of my personal favorite players, unfortunately, and chase utley. Yeah. I mean, I think that it was extremely dirty. The result was not dirty. Right. I don't think I heard. I don't mean. It's a completely different story completely different story. It wasn't a case of Agla was all over the bag and he had his foot, his toe in the middle of the bag. And Manny was just running through many was out by four steps. He looked down at his ankle. He dragged it. He ran on the inside of the base path which you usually never see, right. You'll see guys running on the outside either because they're gonna make a turn or they're just running straight through the bag it. I mean, it was a classic Manny Machado play. He literally didn't hustle down the line and he had that intention for me as soon as he took two steps out the box, he knew what he was doing. It's definitely one of the dirtiest plays. It is up. It might not be Manny. Machado is dirty as play though. He's gone spikes first before he basically Dustin Pedroia his career. Yet he, you know, he, he's put the black cloud above joyous injury. You know, reasons from here on out in ios, a very, very play Asahara. Obviously, he's buddies with them. I believe they're talking Spanish when he turned around and kind of got into safes in. It was kind of basically from what ever it was saying was like, oh, what the fuck was at for type of deal and very, very warranted. I mean, there's no reason for that and just shows now Machado was going to get thrown out for that. If that happens to the Red Sox and he'll freak out, he'll start saying that, you know, baseball's being used as a weapon. I can't defend myself. You know, what am I supposed to do? Aguilar can't defend themselves there. Anybody you're taking out. Second base can't defend themselves, and I just think that is this is the classic Manny Machado play. That's that's Manny being Manny in the worst, the worst kind of way. And you know, I it just on the biggest stage now that people are seeing it, but it's magnified. Oh, it's big-time magnified and yet a great series. Don't get me wrong. Either played unreal, you know, defensively, he had a few home runs. I'm pretty sure it right, and he won single. I mean, he did everything that series and he's everything is advertised, but he's also got that black cloud above them when it comes to being that type of player, and that's not gonna stop and he's, he won't stop in the World Series other. I mean, he doesn't like the Red Sox. He's openly admitted that they've had their battles in the past. And if he goes hard into Bogart's or he does something stupid, the St Pierre. So there's a plate the plate. He's gonna get one hundred and two mile an hour fastball at at his back. I mean, one hundred percent probably get somebody like Mattie Barnes in there to throw at him. So that way he gets every single mile per hour of it. Yup. Yeah. Baldy coming out of the pen or a volley game three starter. If he does something stupid game one or two, he's gonna catch one. Let's we got a tale of two Clayton Kershaw in the series. We got see the bad Clayton Kershaw, aka playoff, Clayton Kershaw, and then all of a sudden that Cy Young winner comes in there and pitches a phenomenal game in the second start and then closes out the CS in game seven. Yeah. I mean, Clayton Kershaw is who we thought he was. I mean, his quote, unquote playoff Kershaw was magnified from the beginning of his career and throw in Madison Bumgarner being unbelievable in his first couple World Series. Appearances kinda made him look even worse. But since two thousand fifteen Kershaw has been unreal the playoffs. And you know, once again, it was one start for him. This time against Atlanta, he went eight innings giving up no runs. I mean, that's unbelievable. In his first Milwaukee start, he only went three innings. Gimme a foreign runs. Awful. His second Milwaukee start, seven innings. One run amazing, then it came out and close it out. So we have one bad game. I mean, if Chris sale mass and Bumgarner or Severino goes in with that same stat line, they say he had one bad game, but he was dominant in two different starts against two different teams and close out the game with two strikeouts. I mean, Nashes duchess nastiness and Kershaw is going to go, and he was already working in the Red Sox bullpen. Last couple of days out there stretch now getting feel for the cold weather and he's pitching really well. What is the biggest key for the dodgers in the World Series their their biggest key is their starting pitching. I think it's similar to the Milwaukee bullpen. I think if we are playing, if the Red Sox were playing the brewers, they would be saying, okay, it's their bullpen. Can they continue through all these innings can harder continue to come in and be dominant? You know, are they going to continue taking guys out in the second and third inning and be able to use that in a six or seven game series for the dodgers bullpen? Can their starter. I mean, their starters, can their starters go six, seven innings every single time. Cam bueller still be unbelievable. Can Kershaw go. Seven innings. He's gone, seven innings, two hundred three starts that he's had. He's been lights out. Buehler's been good. Hill's been good. Can they continue this though? Yeah, and it just comes down to can the kids continue to shine on the brightest state mean Cody Bellinger still kid Walker bueller, still kid. Everybody that has needed to step up for the dodgers in this postseason has reused, showed up at times. Kershaw has been Kershaw and if they continue to do that, they're going to be hard baseball team to beat because that lineups no joke. I understand that the Red Sox is really really good, and we just got through a better Astros team with a better lineup. But this this is the best lineup in the NFL. Yeah, this is the best one through nine lineup. I think the brewers are the best one through four and five. And then you look at guys like Cain and Shaw who stockists and yelich and you're like, oh boy, that's that's big time. But you look at the one through nine for the dodgers. It's very similar to the Astros where you get to the bottom of the lineup and you're looking at Correa in, you know, like a gory l. if he's down there that game or not, and you look at the dodgers you gotta face Chris Taylor down there, and you know, they moved guys around, Robert says that a lot. So they have all these playmakers and you look at Chris Taylor who was an older kid quote, unquote, but that play, he made in left field that kind of saved the game. I mean, you don't know what happens after that, and you need to make those plays just like Mukhi bets made that catch against altuve Robin of a home run. The Red Sox went by to that game. You know, it's a tie game if that's not the case. So every single run counts every single hits counts in the playoffs. And it gets magnitude in a series like this one is big, but can we talk about the the cats that probably saved saved the game indefinitely saved at least. Who runs, we'll get to the Red Sox here in a second anymore. Words daughters. Yeah, Pleat needs to continue to do what he's doing. I need. I think any plague to open his mouth. Yeah, tweenies open his mouth as for Red Sox fans to get a little locker room. You know, bulletin board material, but tweet is the heart and soul that team Ozzy kershaw's the best player on that team. But please, the guy he makes that team run his. I love his energy. I think it's awesome. I love I, it's so funny when he pimps a single. Yeah. I mean, it's a big deal when you have an RBI single in a in a one, nothing game to make it to to nothing like that's huge. His home run the other day that three run shot, massive tempted, any should absolutely. But you know, old time baseball won't like it. You know, some guys may think he does a little too much, but that kids been through hell in his personal life. And even in his professional, if he's been down in triple a. there's talks of trading for him. I mean, the dodgers called earlier this year in the preseason and asked the Red Sox for j. j. one. One one straight up JJ for weeks, right up and the Red Sox said, no. And I think both teams are happy with that because the Red Sox don't win the pennant without JJ and the dodgers don't win the pennant without weeks. So I think offensively that Puig's the factor for that series. And I think the whole pitching staff for, you know, the dodgers is there x. factor there? Can they go deep in game camp weeks? They hot, can't we be clutch because he kinda goes in the rest of the team goes on. Another guy that struggled mightily at the beginning of the season in there were definitely at least some trade talks around him. Cody Bellinger there were talking to Cody Bellinger and growing maybe two triple a. maybe going separate ways with the team dealing him do another, but this man has turned it around and he had some huge hits in that. And I'll see s. Yeah, very similar to Jackie Bradley Jr. start out the year. Terrible talks of trading talks of moving them. Somewhere talks trying to trade him for a starting pitcher or closer and. Stuck with them, stuck with them, hit the ball. Well, just couldn't get any lock and had huge series. Ballenger did as well than you win the MVP that's areas. He did JJ did as well. And you know, JJ hit three hits at one point in they're all they're all RBI home runs or doubles. He ended up getting a lot of walks in a couple of singles in there too, and Belgium's very, very similar. Big hits home runs slugging. That's what he does. And that's what j j. does. He's not a single EPA guy Bellinger same thing. They are second doubles and homers. That's what they do. And that's what they, that's what they hit for to this wing patterns for they're both lefties and they're both be x. factors for their teams. And you know, I'm happy for Bellinger. You know, they have a lot of guys in his team that are, you know, on good contracts, but a little bit older. You know, you look at Chris Taylor who's on his rookie contract, but he's like what? Twenty eight years old, very similar. It's like a Widmaier field in a scooter Grenet. So then you guys keep playing the way they're playing and you know, it would have been crazy plea on the Red Sox j. in center for the dodgers and Bellinger in AAA or another team. But you know, they stuck with their guys, and I think both teams are very happy. They did. Let's go to the CS. We're going to gush about our boys in a second because both of them had outstanding series, whether it's defensively offensively, yours, both. But. David, David price pretty good. David price is good again, you heard it here. I, I mean that game five start was the biggest of his career in the postseason. I'd say he had a really good performance in Detroit in a loss. He went, seven innings in on gave up two runs, but took the loss in that series. In that game, he didn't take loss to sign. He pitched amazing. He came out again, but Cora was has been perfect with his management of the bullpen game. One of that series, he got thrown out in the third inning, I think, or the fourth inning. So when workmen game in all those other guys that wasn't his call now you could say he's in the dugout relying it, but we're going to go off face value and say, it wasn't his call after that. He was perfect with that. But David price really showed up on the road velocity was high on short rest. Every excuse in the book not to do well hostile invited pitch hostile environment, defending champs, short rest, you know, in the playoff monkey on his back and he dominated he certainly did. I mean that was the greatest Beijing performance that I've seen. Gene maybe sense. Guess the of all the one was pretty good too, but I haven't seen a performance. I got in the playoffs from Red Sox pitcher since lacking lesser, right. Those guys, those guys lackey Lester Beck. And if he does what he did in game two of the World Series, he's going to turn into John lackey. The biggest one eighty Red Sox fans had. He went six innings giving up only three hits nine strikeouts ninety. Three pitches nowhere runs no walks it Eakins even come close to that even give them a strip quality stark in six innings, two or three runs, you know six, seven strikeouts. He's going to go down as a Red Sox legend. And if the Red Sox win the World Series this year on the back of David price pitching in elimination game in Houston, on short rest and getting a win in the World Series and the Red Sox ended up winning. I mean talk about, you know, just having the city just be your best friend again after being wanted to be, you know, castaway for how long now? Yeah, I mean, and for people that aren't Red Sox fans that are listening, the Boston media is ridiculous. The Boston is the most toxic. Media base in sports. If you do one thing wrong, they completely turn around on you and they basically convinced the fans that you are. The worst thing to happen to the city ever. David price has been demonized, I guess let's call skull that by the city has tried to convince the city to hate him for so long because of his past failures in the in the postseason doesn't have a phenomenal start. His first time out, you know, has has a bad has a bad start against the Yankees. I mean, I think we both agree with that one wasn't awful, start August Arkansas, Yankees, but both the Astros starts weren't bad. No, the one that gave up on runs on, he had a lot of bad luck and it's one of those things that you know if you're a good pitcher, your good hitter, you're gonna have bad luck turned that around and he did it in that second game is all forgiving yet. Not really, right. I mean, it's huge what he did, but he's doing the World Series to if he goes out there in pitches a stinker in the World Series goes foreigners. Even five runs. Or four runs to three home runs. I think he goes back to being like, well, that was a fluke. But if he can go out there and dominate it just shows that he finally figured it out we, but the socks need him to step up one more time. Maybe even two more times if it goes that far which we'll get into that later, he needs to show up this whole series. You can't have that series. Somebody who also can't have a bad series. If the Red Sox wanna win as Chris sale, Chris sale back on the bump for game one. By the way, just got the news core just announced that David price, we'll be starting game two. I certain, as we thought anyway of all Dion game three. It's pretty great. It kind of protects price. So if he has bad game, you got someone that's been your best post-season pitchers of all the. He's been better than salesman bed and the price. He's been better than Porcelli. He's been your best down a hostile environment in the road, you know, regardless of the, you know the fan level out there. You know, how much did they really care about baseball in LA it will be a sell out. They will be loud and it will be pressure and of all these come in multiple different scenarios with pressure, he was lights out against the Yankees. He came out of the bullpen he could. He could have saved that game and gone to. And I think we wanted to, honestly, but I did for sure. And you know, it's, it's good. See corrigo. Bats kimbrel could see kimbrel pitched the best. He's pitched, which was that closeout game. So that was big. But. Neil quickly. Yeah, let's do it. Craig kimbrel. He's not tipping his pitches anymore. Looks like at least I mean, because the Astros had no idea what was coming. No. And I think he was tipping his pitches and one hundred percent. I don't think that's an Astros cheating scandal thing. I think that he was doing against the Yankees. I think Severino was doing it against the red Sox's. Well, you've got it was throwing fastballs and your Jay Jay Mckee in, you know, in the dugout Saint fastballs coming. Why throwing too, to fastball in the zone. How do they know it's coming exactly because, and that's the thing with Craig kimbrel though. Think about it. He only had really has to pitches. So the one's coming, you can lock in on it in as soon as it comes out of his hand, you can know and his other pitches his out pitch. And everyone says his out pitch is the high, the high rising fastball. It's not his out pitch. Is that knuckle curve because he needs to get you down to two with that, or you'll be, oh two, and he throws that and you swing at it, you know a fastball unless you throw a hundred five isn't really you're out pitch. I don't think anyway, I think might see more strikeouts on it. That's because they are thinking about knuckle curve and the dirt, and they see it last second day at the swing. So I think he's out pitches that knuckle curve is that breaking ball, whatever you wanna call it. Here's the thing that knuckle curve starts July one hundred percent. Comes out of the same arm. Slide does everything, but if you know it's coming, you know, not swing out because it's rarely a strike, right? Unless he comes out first pitch, buckles, your knees which he's done before of all the did it, which was awesome of him and awesome of the pitching staff and Vasquez, who was still catching him at the time. I don't know if sandy came back in yet. You know, just you're thinking hundred coming down the pipe in you get one up high, you know, it's eighty eight ninety two and established the break and. Yeah, you don't know what's coming. Kimber look really looked better in that, you know, game five save. I don't think he looked great as he gave a long fly ball to. I don't know who it was to brag Benintendi. All on the bregman. Yeah, Benintendi caught it on the warning track. But if that was a little bit left, that's a home run and he gave up a walk, so not great, right, but much better and it didn't seem like they knew what was coming. I'm gonna let you gush about yours in a second, but. Boy made probably the best catch in the postseason that I've ever seen in the Mookie one. The next day was great. The Mookie one that same day would have been equally great. Indra Benintendi the balls on that man with the bases loaded Alex bregman up the crowd chanting MVP Astros about the type the series while that balls in the air and everybody in that building thinks that the dice series at that point, everybody, there's not. There's not one person in that building. That's like, you know what? He can catch this because if you see where he starts, there's no chance. I mean, I think there was a twenty one cash probability on stack cast that he was going to catch it and it looked like yet and worse than that, but the balls to dive in the instincts to dive and make that catch just took the complete era out of that stadium. It made me a happy kid in a made, Alex bregman even matter kid than I was happy. Yeah. I mean, that's your guy. Everyone knows that that attendees your guy and he is an elite outfielder not what does arm yet, but with his instincts and with his glove, he makes unbelievable catches year twelve outfield sister sheer and you can credit allow that to how well he plays the monster. It's not as. That's doing it. It's how well he plays the monster, his accuracy on, but he's not throwing the ball on hundred and twenty miles an hour like it seems Jay. Jay Mckee do when they get the ball, but he's pinpoint accurate and he plays the monster. So please the field so well with his glove in his instincts, and that's all it was. He knew in his head he's done for that ball. He assumes that bought the bat, he was running. He knew, Yep, I'm dying for this ball. He's a lefty out in left field. Glove goes perfectly right there towards the line and he just laid out for and made the catch in concentration. You know, confidence. I mean, if he's not a competent guy, he lets that balancing the plays the balance, and he says, all right to one run game. I kept in front of me and I played it safe, but he had the compass, go out there and get it. And I think that just shows how conference this Red Sox team confident they're outfielder is the best defensive outfielder in baseball, and they've been proven it all postseason longs. But Andrew Benintendi did it with a bat, and he did it more with the glove. I mean, I was unbelievable, and he's gonna have a big World Series to David boies the World Series MVP Jackie Bradley Jr. or ails CSM EP gotta. Hope he's a World Series MVP. I'm kind of hoping mine's a World Series b. I just hope he gets enough playing time, but Jacob l. deca Bradley Jr. LCS MVP maybe the greatest three-game stretch since poppy? No, four with the nine RBI's and three games. Yeah. I mean between poppy you four and just poppy in two thousand thirteen general just pick a three-game stretch their right, but he was he was lights out. He was unconscious two outs runners on base. He was getting hit and they weren't bloop. Singles, they weren't errors. They weren't fifty fifty balls. They were no daughters. There were bombs for home runs or went the other way off the monster, which is what Jackie Bradley does. He when he is on this is what he does. He ropes balls and he hits the ball hard. You can look at his stack cash. You could is batted balls and when he's on, he doesn't try and pull those ops feel balls. He goes with them and you know, he's not swinging stuff in the dirt. He's walked in on fastballs. He's turning on things and he's getting the launch angle up in it. Showing how good he is and what is potential as we know he's a glove center fielder. He has a one one yet that will probably change this year. He is one of the hardest arms throwing from the outfield he has. He's one of the fastest guys in yell field. His instincts are amazing, and this is what he does want to get the ball. He's never gonna hit three hundred. That's not his game. His game is that two fifty hit twenty plus home runs hit thirty forty doubles and be that second leadoff guy in the lineup which he's been. He's a career like eighty percents dealer. And it took a perfect throw in play to have him thrown out by mall and auto anyway at second base, which almost swum out of at second on his slide. He's a great slider as well. And he gets a lot of hate from Boston media. He gets a lot of hate from the casual Red Sox fan and you don't. He just showed everybody what happened. The guy that thirty three hit game hit trick a couple of years ago. He's good. He's good at baseball. He just doesn't get the credit deserves. That's my guy. And through everyone knows that if you listen to our former podcast was the biggest JV Jason. Supporter, and I'm happy that he's showing the world why I was that supporter from games, two through five, not only the Jackie Bradley Jr. crushed the Astros, but the Red Sox put on absolute clinic offensively and defensively, and pitching they made the former world. Champs look like they weren't even a playoff team. They won four straight games, three on the road, and they won four straight games against the world champion. Astros people just aren't talking about that enough. I feel like they're five and on the road by the way. Yeah. The Astra's did not look like the Astros that we've seen basically the past two years, it's it's not. It might be connected, might not be connected with the Astros do get caught game on in Fenway park with cameras. Basically, what had happened was the Astros had a non media member with a tiny camera right next to the Red Sox dugout in what they claimed was they just wanted to make sure that the Red Sox weren't cheating. So you're gonna cheat just so you can make sure. The Red Sox cheating. That's not suspicious at all. No, that's not completely weird at all. I mean, they got caught red-handed, you know, they were probably going back with the Red Sox. Apple watch thing. The Red Sox had a little slap on the wrist four. The Yankees got caught doing something a couple of years ago, including the Panetta big pine tar on his neck, which he didn't even try and hide every pitcher does it, but just like every pitcher has pine tar and just like every team tries to steal signs. There's gamesmanship to it. You just can't be an idiot about it. The Red Sox caught with apple watches for better or for worse. The Astros got caught with the media member there personally, if it was just a gray area, they had a guy walking around recording things. You know, that's just gamesmanship. They got tightened up security. They should be looking into things more. They should look at the. They should ask the guy a few questions. If they see you got the camera, they should ask for his credentials and go over it and tell them as restricted area. The Red Sox change signs all time. Every team does. I don't think it's a big deal. Now, this guy's recording certain things that Knowle's he may is going into research. Shifted areas on the cover and lying about things. It's a little different than the. The Astros were owned four. As soon as you get caught in the Red Sox with switching signs all time, Alex Cora had Cindy and Vasquez throwing down multiple times. It no runners on base so they might have been worried about guys in the outfield I've no. They were looking for somebody basically in in center? Yeah. Any anybody with binoculars basically? Yeah, anybody that could see in there and relay back either whether it be apple watch or sign out there. Some some light shows. I have no idea, but the Astros did not look like the Astros after that and Craig kimbrel changing things after that in the actual struggle. It all happened basically after Alex bregman instinct infamous Instagram story, let's call it that. Idiot, you saw Aaron, judge get blasted in the Red Sox, basically sweep them after that. Why on earth would you give the best team in baseball? Probably roster wise, any fire? This is the best, even baseball. I mean, look at look at our roster head to toe and tell me somebody's better because the Astros didn't look it. I mean, the dodgers have pretty much struggled most of the postseason with Russia. They have the Red Sox fat a pretty easy time to this point. Why give them anything? The Red Sox are undefeated on the road this postseason and beat both teams and only lost bolt to bowl teams. Once they beat the Yankees four, the beat, the Astros in five, including winning four straight. You know, it goes back to go look at the teams in the league right in not even baseball. Go look at the Spurs go look at the New England, Patriots and go look at this year's Boston, Red Sox when the team is the best and they have a good coach or manager, Gregg, Popovich, Bill Belichick. Alex Cora being the manager here, you already have that mentality and locker room that we know we're the best, but we have to act like it and we have to act above, you know who we are. The Red Sox are doing that and you don't need to give them any other reason to do it all the through one hundred to Qatar to strike out Alex bregman. It had movement. You can call it a cutter you call to seem or whatever you wanna call it. That's filthy. Aaron, judge playing New York, New York, which made no sense. They won one game and you couldn't even hear it from where the Red Sox were on the concourse. They're old school cement walls, and there's going this talking going on the Red Sox dugout locker room. No reason for that. These guys tried to do too much. Alex bregman stared down Andrew Benintendi pointed at him after he made that catch Benintendi game the, you know the gun show going back with the fingers finger the finger, pistols and laughed in his face. When you have a team so disciplined, you can't do it ninety nine percent of the time. It doesn't work when you talk shit like this when you give Baltimore material, the other. Team usually comes out on top and so far the Red Sox to know when it comes to teams talking shit saying that basically it's over and the red Sox's pounding them in the sand. Now it's time for World Series. Predictions have socks and five. I have socks in seven. I think it's gonna go seven solely because you have question marks on guys. Can't price do it again, can evolve to keep it going. And who's the Red Sox game for starter? Do they use Portillo there do these on the pen? I think Kershaw is gonna be Kershaw and I don't think that Kershaw game five or game. Six is going to get eliminated walkability, going to have a good start Richhill if he has a good start, that's a win right there. Most likely. So I think it goes sock. Seven, you know, just solely because of that. I do think the SOX is the best team. I think the hottest team and they've been the best team through through from the start of the twenty sixteen cubs of the seven socks there. Any mid-nineties Yankee team, you know, they're, they've been the best in their proving it right now, and I just don't think this dodgers team can hold out, especially with the last two being in Boston, the the nineties Braves in the NO. I mean, nobody could stop them. Yeah. So from one World Series prediction, we're going to do one more World Series prediction over under on Mookie Betts appearances at second base, three games in l. a.. So three games over under if I put one and a half, how many games does Mookie Betts play second base? If at all? I think he goes over. I think he plays two games. I think that they, it depends on what happens game one into the stocks are up to well, I don't think Mookie plays game three at second. If the socks are one one or two, I think he plays first base the first game at second base and see how it goes. If he struggles in the field, if he goes over four, if he's just confused if he's just not feeling himself, you'll see Kinser back in there or you'll see hall who's played really well. This postseason I think he needs to play second base. I think that core is a great manager. I think you need that a whole outfield in there. I think you need JD Martinez who JD Martinez has struggled slugging the ball this postseason. He's batting over three hundred this postseason and he's just hitting the ball hard. It's the bad locker singles. So he's playing well, Mookie. Betts has been unbelievable in the field hasn't gotten the bad office shoulder yet really going. JJ was your LCS MPP and Benintendi has been your defensive wizard out there as well with monkeys. So I think you need to see him. Second base has been the struggling point for the Red Sox all year and the postseason. I think this is a no brainer to put the former second baseman at second base. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take the over to like I, I set on socks fear. I mean little mini shot right there the boys at Salk sphere, but I didn't think that he was going to play second base, but now that I've got to thinking about it and at that includes think about the options that we have at second base is the thing they're not great. None of them are great. You know we can offensively to not great. They're great defensively. Yeah, we can talk about raw cold all we want. You know he hit for the cycle, ally, daddy. He's not Mookie Betts offense. He's better off the bench. He's a pinch hitter, situational guy. I mean, I'm I'm with you on the over Goto Marlins news you, that's right. We went from the best to the worst, but they're about to get better. They're about to get better at the Miami, Miami Marlins just sign Victor, Victor, Mesa, and Victor, junior Mesa to international contracts, but brought both of them to prospects that are gonna accelerate this rebuild, and I'm pretty excited for them after trading the entire out, built in the off season, adding to potential absolute studs. Definitely one, Victor, Victor, and I'm really excited for this team. Yeah, they're going to be good in a couple of years just to give near the listeners who don't know about the prospects or the Miami trash Marlins. What positions do these guys play? Where are they going to fit into this team and a couple of years? Victor, Victor is probably gonna play the outfield and I wouldn't be surprised. Junior can play wherever I think. I mean the Scott ingrates on him. He's got fifty plus everything. There's nothing on him that I believe that the MLB dot com scouting has below a forty five, which is absolutely insane. The kid can play anywhere. He's going to June Victor. Victor is gonna fit perfectly in that outfield. That doesn't have a ton of studs probably doesn't even have a stud unless you want to include Lewis Brinson here in a couple years, but I'm really excited for them. I'm sure you are too. We love prospects. We love baseball and they're going to make Miami exciting again. Miami had arguably, no, they didn't have argued that they had the best outfield in baseball last couple of years in the NFL the AL you could say it was the Red Sox with an attack. Yeah, exactly. You had Osuna who had had struggling here this year, but bin lights out. Christian yelich is going to win the MVP this year in the National League Giancarlo Stanton who won the MVP last year and just, you know what you call it does. He's gonna hit you thirty to fifty home runs a year. That's a lot of home runs. They know how to build an outfield. Jared, Derrick jeeter knows how to build a baseball team. It seems. I think he does. I really do. I think he's a smart baseball mind. He was an above average player in his career and had a great career. I think he's going to be an above average baseball, general manager president, whatever he decides to put a title on. And I think he's going to have an above average career there. I think we're gonna see both victors in the outfield at one point, and then they at the find out someone else. I think that you'll see Victor Mesa in center. I think you'll see his brother in left or right, and I think you'll finish finish another corner outfield somewhere. And this team looks like the Padres right now they're two or three years away. They're just waiting for development. Waiting for starting pitchers and they just need one one free agent. They're not going to get a Harper. The not gonna get him Chato. They're not gonna get a a big superstar guy, but they will get a Eric hosmer type deal. They will get a guy there that is above average, maybe even know low elite type of player to go put somewhere. Third, first, second somewhere, he'll get there and then it just fills in the blanks. And if they can hold onto real Muto behind the bench, I mean behind the plate, they're gonna have their outfield set and behind the plate set there your most important defensive spots in the field. You could build around that. I mean that that outfield could most certainly be mesas and Brinson. That's not a bad outfield. No, it's not. And you have a lot of athleticism out there. You'll have not a lot of errors, and you'll have a lot of guys saving runs, cubs pick. Renan Davis is with us very exciting new one of my favorites so far, hope you enjoy it. Brennan Davis of the sky, go cubs whose. Someone that you monitor game after growing up. Growing up, allies had a look up to Lorenzo Cain. I just love the way he played the game, love the way cared himself. Yoursel myself becoming somebody like his nature of shows always looked up to as role model. That's a, that's a good role model to have. It's it's an interesting one because before this year I mean he was in a small market team you're from across the country out west, I believe, right while mountain time, I guess I just so you know, how did you end up watching him? Was it just because when they were making their Ron, you kinda were big baseball guy, or did you just kinda know from the start you like, wow, I really like the way plays the game. Fun house and he had brought up that he counts, like wait a little bit like me. And then I started watching it more and that's kinda wear like, wow, I'd be like wait plans again and it just snowballed from there. So you're a state champion in basketball. Was there any thought of playing basketball instead of baseball. A lot of I actually was on the pump basketball circuit more than I played cla baseball. I didn't really grow up playing baseball spent on my offseason plan club basketball. So up until my junior summer, it was kind of I loved them both equally. So it's kind of which everyone I saw myself going further. And baseball opportunity started opening up and I knew that to follow. Yes. So you actually didn't really have any major offers until your junior year that summer that you just kinda said, you absolutely crushed it in your area? Code games, what? What kind of change? What happened? What went from being like, you know, I really love basketball and I'm a good basketball player to man. I'm going to get drafted in the MLB. Just the possibilities. I have to say just the black of baseball that I played and people taking notice liabilities of what I can do, what we'll be able to just really what made me want to focus on baseball more, give it a shot because I'd never played one sport full full time. I love that confidence. He just know you're going to be a good player. Love love that little dig. That's, that's, that's. That's good for the interviews later in life. So you were. So you were obviously a big prospect coming out of the dry out of high school. You got drafted in the second round. That's that's a big deal. Like that's not, you know, the thirty ninth round. The kind of gave you a phone call and he said, hey, what's up? You know, we wanna take risk on you. You know, what was that process? Like? I mean, you're out there small mountain town, and you know you're gonna get drafted by the UFC in the calls. What? What was that process like leading up to the second day of the draft. Facet. The draft crash said, I remember in the winter of getting a change doing home visits and then came out to watch me hit and they'd comes stay for little pieces of my games and then leave. So nobody really gave me any indication of of that with anything. And then after my season we went to, I went to the five or six pre draft workouts. I did up playing pretty well at Wrigley ones. So. On world land grants. So day of the draft you selected in the second round by cups team. That's nearly two years removed from two years removed from a World Series. Take us through that day, the emotions and everything that pretty much went on that day. I was pretty nervous. I'm not gonna lie. I was. I was at that. I wasn't sure if I was being day one guy or day to guy and like just because of how crazy draft a actually is. And. Leading up to it. I was just with my family and they were going to be supportive. No, no matter what says his country being knowing that, but I didn't know anything really until fifteen minutes before I was gonna get picked. So. Very stressful. You know also ni- this is obviously we love baseball. You know, the cubs are my National League team. I have a lot of family out there, and I've been out there before and I've been following them before they were good, but you know, we're Red Sox fans. I'm from Rhode Island. I'm an hour away from Boston. Austin grew up huge, Red Sox fan. You got to talk to and I'm assuming maybe even meet the guy that brought us a World Series, which is what was it like meeting him? I mean, you always hear how you know just intimidating is and high energy, and you heard the stories of him throwing chairs losing out on backup at yours at the trade deadline. What? What was it like meeting him. And did you talk to him? Did you meet them? Did you just get a tax? What was that like? At my pre Jeff workouts the cubs did an awesome job of putting us in situations where we had a chance to talk and sit down with a. Office guys, the people who make decisions for the drought. So I was able to talk to him and have a conversation with him and all along with a lot of the other guys little intimidating at first. But you so down there, then the great job of making me feel comfortable are really honored to be in favor of let alone gets a just a little bit. I mean, I feel honored talking to you about talking to him. I mean, it's just he's, he's like a legend over here and in baseball time. And I mean you're young kid, but I mean, you carry yourself really well. So I'm sure he really loved that because he's all about the locker room and kind of have in that, you know, extra piece to not when you're playing ability, but your personality. Awesome. How different was rookie ball from high school ball? I know you haven't played a lot of rookie bought at this point, but it was it significantly different. Was it only a little bit. Difference because he can't talk all your teammates because not everybody speaks English. We've heard that before. But it was just a the level of play a lot from high school, the rookie ball. You're not. You're not facing guys who don't have stuff. Everybody has stuff. So you can't take anything for granted for granted. And out of the is is crazy. The. The. Playing high school among earlier jumping right into the professional baseball is being able to put out a cubs jersey behavior, yo we would come and still we're not a crazy crazy name team yet. Yeah, nothing. Nothing. Nothing jumbo shrimp yet. Yeah, nothing like that. Yes, it had to be pretty nice the the fact that their facility is and Mesa though. I mean, it's not that far from home. I still live at home and we'll see. My mom haven't really. Had that Lee home experience, but it's nice to be able to go back to the comfort of your home after a long day of. At the field? No, nothing better than mom cooking dinner, that's for sure. All right. So for sure we gotta talk about Henry and Polo. I know you get asked a lot about it, so I figured I'd make question fun. Rubio door the second baseman for the Texas Rangers. Got it. Got his extension also got two horses. Will you demand animals when you finish arbitration as two years. Oh, I don't know the demand animals. The arbitrator I am. Well, maybe you get a little bit of both. Right. Too. So so people have a little bit of context. You have Henry the Billy goat, right? And then then polo the llama. When absurd combination of France. That's great. So you know, thanks for coming out obviously, has been great. We got one last question for you, so you're only eighteen, but one of the biggest things when you're in middle school and high school is still member this, I remember going to gym class and you know, trying to be, you know, superstar. I remember watching games and playing with my friends and trying to be, you know, the gotten next sliding catch or hits the home run. What's the best advice you can give to kids that were in your shoes? Just a few years ago, if you have a buddy of freshman, your high school right now, you know that wants to play at the major-league level in any sport. What do you, what would you give about? Just, you know, some type of advice for them right now. Yeah. So I would out tell kids that there's so many different paths baseball and just never did get discouraged technique. Three, three and a half years to get a college offers for baseball and use. Can't let that get you keep playing your game. You got to control the things that you can control hustling on and off the field not just when you're playing, but a little things that disciplined and can really promote the kind of player. You wanna be. Because you never know who's watching that was always my biggest thing. You gotta play hard all the time because you never know who's watching and going through the draft process. It was just I opening to see the scouts that would come up to the after game. They just look like dads. They're just like that they don't have any tale signs. You never know that your games.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1333: Season Preview Series: Rockies and Pirates

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1333: Season Preview Series: Rockies and Pirates

"Food. Blow. Welcome to episode thirteen thirty three actively wild a baseball podcasts from van graphs, presented by our gem supporters. I am Ben lyric of the ringers. Join Jeff foe of. Hello rear back to the team preview podcast series today. We'll be talking about the out Rockies with Cory Sullivan who is a former Colorado Rockies himself, and is now Iraqis analyst for root sports, and we will also be talking about the Pittsburgh Pirates with Stephen Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh post gazette. But before we get to them, we just went to bender bit about some of the news some of the proposals that have been floated this week. Can you concisely explain whether and when any of this is going to happen because I know there's been a lot of confusion we've seen some proposals that have been leaked that the players association has suggested it's in response to measures that the league has suggested so it it's kind of a collaborative process kind of negotiation where be can implement some things unilaterally that were proposed last year. But it's an ongoing discussion about changes to the game. And most of the ideas that have been floated will not be enacted this season. And may never be enacted. But there is a chance at least that we will see some of the stuff happened soon. Yeah. I think from what I can tell it sounds like the pitch clock is going to show up in two thousand nineteen because that's something that you can do immediately. It's not going to change. Anyone anyone the look of anyone's Rostro based on strategy the way it was put together Ness, something like the universal designated hitter. However, then something that is been proposed something that could just be be spread as soon as this season the season that starts in less than two months. I think that is very unlikely. Because even if you consider the universal h inevitable, which I think that it is. It's just I think enough National League owners would be like, oh, you can't you can't do that to us this late in the game. We haven't planned yet. So something like that. I think is gonna take a little while. But pitch clock. Absolutely. Could be quick. We'll get into the proposal. So I don't need to to read them down. But something like the the major league contracts for two sport players. Could you can see that one show up pretty quick, and yeah, there's I know that they exchange a lot of proposals. On a regular basis before the start of years. And generally speaking, those proposals don't result in anything taking place immediately. But there's a lot here and some of some of them are fairly significant in. So I think we are likely over the course of the next five years, we're likely to see some some real movement in baseball adjusting. Yeah. And just big picture general statement, a I think it's good that these two sides are talking about anything because of all the tension between labor and management this offseason, and doesn't directly transfer to contracts and earnings and all of that. But, hey, at least if you're in the room and on the phone call and you're talking to each other. Maybe that those things a little bit. So that there can be progress in other areas, and generally speaking, I think change is good. I know change can be scary. But there's been so little change in baseball. When it comes to on field rules. I mean, yes replay has happened. But just about everything else, occasionally, there's like the BUSTER Posey's slide rule and the. Chase utley slide rule and all those little things. But in terms of trying to curb some of the somewhat worrisome trends that are going on in the game today. There's really been almost no action taken which I take a sort of a positive because. Yes, these things seem inexorable, but on the other hand, no one has made any attempt to stop them yet. And in many cases, I think it is a very simple thing to try to at least halt the Reisen strikeouts. For instance, or gametime there things that you can do that just haven't been done and baseball has not been proactive in that area compared to other sports. So some of these measures are designed to address those things you have pulled the fan graphs audience on each of these measures as documented by Jeff passan, and others, and you have gotten some results. So we're just going to go down the list here and you'll explain how the fan graphs audience feels about them granted fan grass audience probably not represent the audience of major league baseball as a whole. But it's still interesting stuff. So. We'll start with the top one on your list, the three better minimum. So I guess you can explain whatever isn't self explanatory about what that is. And then give us the data. It is a three batter. Minimum. One of the proposal is a proposal that all pitchers must face at least three batters. Unless they get injured or end inning is proposing eight designed to reduce mid inning pitching changes, which are bad. So I pulled the the finger audience. So I for each proposal had two poles one is just a strict UA, do you approve of it or or disapprove of it and the other one I I wanted to measure people's passion in answering because not all of these proposals will be met with the same fervor. I already said universal designated hitter. We know that all of the proposals can't measure up to one's fervor. So I I put that on a one to five scale where five was I care about this a lot and one is I care about this hardly at all. Anyway. Three better minimum forty eight percent of the audience supports it. Which means fifty two percent of the says, no not this rule. And it was met with a passion score of three point two. Just above the middle of the scale. Yeah. And I think there's a lot to like about this a lot to dislike if you're a lube, but I think the lewke has already become kind of an endangered species in baseball. And obviously if you have to face three betters. Maybe that means fewer pitching changes at means guys pacing themselves more, maybe it means lower velocities because guys aren't going all out. Maybe it means fewer strikeouts quicker games. So I'm wary of too much intervention. But this seems like something that would at least have the intended effect to some degree and wouldn't be too disruptive. Next one is even less, well, probably less disruptive and certainly much more expected the twenty second pitch clock. Yeah. And there was even a point made that they could even turn the clock off when they're runners on base, which I don't know what you're doing at that point. Anyway, seventy percent of of the audience supports it seventy percent. And that was given a passion score a passion rating of three point three again. Just a little above the three better minimum. So people care a little more. But the pitch clock and mostly they are in support of it. Yeah. Seems inevitable. We talked to Riley Brian yesterday pitchers who pitched with it in the minor leagues. Don't seem to mind. It has seemed to have a positive effect on gametime. So sure bring on the pitch clock. All right, next one. I'm gonna kiss that the passion score the twins probably pretty high the universal D H. Yeah. Sixty three percent of the audience supports it. They want the universal the passion score. I'll just tell you. It's the highest of the ten. Four point. Oh, so people on average people care about it. It's not all it's not five all the way down but still for a high rating. I'll tell you these passion scores are they're pretty constricted Saul within a pretty narrow range people care about the universe of the most. And the book people seem to seem to want. It does feel inevitable to union proposal. There's nationally owners convinced, but it's gonna happen y'all. It's gonna it's gonna happen. We're all gonna miss vigils hitting we're going to be able to analyze data. But it is gonna make baseball better. So start getting yeah. Yeah. I'm in favor of it. I do understand the people who are passionately in favour of pitchers hitting. But we've talked about this. I think it's just reached the point where pitchers can't hit. And we shouldn't have to watch them do it. And I don't think that the effects on strategy will be as serious as as people's are worried about, you know, I don't know whether people will really miss double switches when they're gone, for instance. But it'll be interesting to see whenever it does happen because so many of these measures. Hours. You know, like the fake to third and throw to first move. I wrote an article like lamenting the loss of that. I mean, not seriously. But just as weird kind of quirky and people were worried about making the intentional walks out of Matic instead of throwing the four balls. I mean, no one cares. When these things happen. I will be curious to see whether the university h is something that we all just sort of accepted. I think over a long enough period. It will be because we know that AOL fans tend to like the chin and support it. So eventually an offense will come around. I just it'll be wore for awhile. All right. The next one this is kind of ill defined to this point but draft incentives for winning. Yes. So this is kind of a as it was written about essentially low revenue teams if they had successful seasons could benefit the draft by maybe getting some sort of compensation round pig or maybe higher draft bonuses. And then there would potentially be penalties again loosely defined but penalties for teams that are very bad two years in a row. So anyway, even though it's hard to people on. A super vague proposal. That doesn't have much definition fifty eight percent of people support the idea that was given a rating of three point two so tied with the three better minimum. I would like to see some more information on this. But I think it's not a bad idea heard from people who work from teams recently who do think that baseball could Sandhu incentivize winning a little bit more. And when when the teams themselves are seeing that, then maybe it's something to listen to. Yep. Sounds good need to hear more. But I like the idea next potential extra service time extra service. There is the proposal for for some service. I'm bonuses if you will again kind of loosely defined, but there's the idea that, you know, you'll have a case Kris Bryant who's held down just long enough for his year of service to not count as a full year of service with the cubs did to delay his free agency by an entire year by keeping Brian down for like a week and a half filed a grievance that I think is still working its way toward the supreme court. Wherever those things go any case, the idea here is that players could earn extra service time if they have good seasons. If they make the playoffs qualify for words. Thank you can look at someone like Ronald the kunia this year who was a full service one hundred seventy two days or something like that. And kunia I believe play one hundred fifty nine days. And so the Braves did not surprisingly manipulated kunia service time to keep them down. So that he would delays free agency by another year, but presumably under this proposal because a Kuna won the rookie of the year in the National League was great Android the playoffs. You would have gotten enough bonus service time to earn equivalent of a full year. So that the manipulation would have been turned around. And they case sixty seven percent of the audience says, yes, we like whatever this would be with a passionate rating of three point three tying it with the Glock. All right next one you alluded to it. But a two sport athlete exceptions. So that two way players could get major league contracts, and this is not two way players as in pitchers and hitters. This is two way players as in baseball players and football players, for instance. Right. So this is an incentive to get guys who are weighing offers from two sports. Or potential to sports to choose baseball. So this had almost the most support of any proposal. Seventy six percent of the audience said, yeah, let's do it. But also had by far the lowest passion rating of two point five people don't care. But this a well what's the harm? There used to be majorly contracts given to drafter players Bryce Harper. I believe signed a major league contract out of the draft. It used to be somewhat common practice, and then it was done away with and you know, if you can get more money to players in the draft. Sure by doing this reveals that a lot of players in the draft deserve more money, but better to get more money to some players than to get it to none. So even though maybe this could be ripe for abuse. It could be ridden in such a way that it would be fine. There's not that many athletes. Let's be honest. We don't talk about Murray or players like him that much that explains a low passion rating in any case high support. All right, number seven a single trade deadline. So this would just get rid of the waiver period. Everything would have to be done by a certain date, and it would be also in earlier July. Not after the all star break, not the end of July. But before the. Break. So this is kind of really combination of two proposals moving the deadline earlier and then combining both deadlines. Yeah. I wish I could have pulled them separately. But it's all one where they're gonna do fifty five percent of the audience supports it with a passion rating three point zero. That's the second lowest. So far of the ones we've covered I think that the idea of a single trade deadline is good. I think the idea of putting it before the all-star game is bad. I think it does not incentivize competition in the way that you would think if anything just means there's less room between good teams bad teams when you have to make the decision. So you're going to have fewer teams just making moves. It's going to be hard to tell when you are aren't in the race. So I would think in a single trade deadline at the end of July would be fine. Keep it worth the current non waiver treaded lend is or even move it into August two little bit just so you have clearly defined buyers sellers. So anyway, I am. But also, that's where the yeah, I'm a little bit ambivalent about this to it. And to think about more what other effects, it, it might have one of the desires is that it might increase off season activity because teams that have. To concentrate their moves early in the season. I don't know whether that would turn out to be the case. But anyway, we're talking about eight twenty six men rosters. So you'd have an extra player on every team. But September rosters would be limited to twenty eight instead of forty and the non September rosters could have only twelve pitchers at maximum. Yeah. So again, kind of three proposals in one anyway highest reports seventy seven percent of people say, yeah. Bring on the roster limits with a passion rating of three point five that is the second highest afar behind the universal. The people are in by expanding the roster's decree of thirty more jobs by limiting pitchers new. I mean, if you have the three better minimum, and there's well, then you care that. And yes, September rosters have gotten out of control people have one of the fix that for a long time. That should be addressed. I know that it would kind of it would be bad because you would have fewer players getting cups of coffee for your players getting there just brief looks at the major leagues. But you'd also be creating thirty new jobs so on balance, I think it would be good. Yeah. I agree. I kind of like. All parts of this one somewhere than others. But this makes sense to me and number nine studying the mount specifically its height, but maybe also its location and distance from the plate with an eye toward changing wonder both of those things I should also say because I've got to say regarding the previous proposal. I don't know what they would do about the other kind of two way players Shohei sign those guys. There's some chatter that they could actually prohibit position players from pitching except for in the an extra innings which will turn around a current current trend within the game. But again, there is show. Hey, Donny anyway, something to keep an eye on. Maybe there be exceptions car, just like with two sport athletes, mount height. So when I pulled all I was aware of we're studying height. But then Jayson stark said they're also thinking about moving the mound back something you've written about something. We've talked about something I like the idea of anyway when I pulled the audience this was just about studying mount height with the possibility of lowering the mound. Sixty seven percent support. You might notice that is eight support. Proposals in a row eight hundred nine mount heights sixty seven percent support with three point two rating. Not a high passion rating all things considered till people not opposed to study because who could be opposed to a study, right? Yeah. I'll linked to my article again, I really would prefer to move the mound back instead of lowering it, I think it would just be very effective. I think it makes total sense. I mean players today are rightly O'Brien size not Johnny O'Brien size. And so they releasing the ball closer to the plate. So we should move them out and further from the plate. And I just I think it would be less intrusive. There shouldn't be anything inviolable about sixty feet six inches. I know there's more precedent for changing the mounts height than its location, but still I think I actually prefer it. But obviously studying it we can study just about anything all right and tenth and last and extra inning adjustment. Why far the lease support of any of the proposals? Thirty five percent of the audience said. Yeah, sure, go for it. I should say that the proposal as it is explained is that spring tide spring training. Games would end after ten innings who cares? But also in spring training and the all star game. They would test out that rule we talked about before about starting the inning with a runner on second base. So that is why people don't love it. And again, who cares? What you do in spring training of the game. Right. But pretty clearly if you're going to test it in those circumstances because you want to bring it to the regular season in the playoffs. I think that is why so many people are against it. And the passion the passionate rating is three point eight making it the second highest passionate rating out of the ten proposals behind only the university. So people feel pretty strongly about it, and they are pretty strongly opposed. So you can end spring training games whenever you want. But you can put runner on second base. And from my cold, dead, buddy. Yeah. I don't disagree. I'm fine with ending exhibitions earlier. But I worry about these slippery slope aspect of this. I don't know. I saw it happen in a minor league game and forgot that this was thing and was very surprised to see runner on second. The first time I saw this and whatever the game bended. It was fine. It was still baseball. But I don't love it. So. I am pretty much in line with the audience and most of these things, and it is interesting that at least the fan graphs readers approve of most of these proposals. And that's good. I think a lot of these things are worth talking about perhaps worth implementing these aren't like banning the shift kind of ideas that we all come down against these are genuinely good ideas. At least for the most part that I think we should all be discussing, and we will continue to discuss on the show as they are either implemented or not implemented, but kudos to both sides, I suppose for at least entertaining, these ideas, I don't know whether on the whole they're more player friendly or team or league friendly certainly there are some in in either camp. But hopefully, we will see some of this stuff become a part of baseball sometime soon. I know you, and I are both in favor of just making changes as it seems like they need to be done. No reason to just be stubborn and glacial about Jana baseball. So in favour cages in favor of well, reasoned, and collectively bargain changes. And yeah, bring. On. And there is one actual change that has been made which is that the disabled list is now no longer known as the disabled list. It has been renamed the injured list still functions. Exactly the same. It's just a different name for it and a more accurate and potentially lesson sensitive name for it as well. So that's a good change doesn't actually change how the DO works. But that's another proposal that is on the table to that. We've talked about ten days or fifteen days or you just wrote a post about the sixty day yell becoming a year round thing. So they're ways that baseball can change that would actually make the sport function better. And hopefully, some of them will become a part of it sometime soon. Have you mentioned that today is a preview upset? Yes. I have. Yeah. So we are going to take a quick break now. And we'll be back with solvent. To talk about the Rockies followed by student bit to talk about the pirates. I remember that now. Us does. So. On someone. Jay. And the high. Just so what's twinkling lives? In fans. The breezes. Does Milia too. Me to sleep old rocky. So join now by Cory Sullivan member. Well, if you're rushing spent played for the Rockies from two thousand five to two thousand eight before going on to play for the Mets and the Astros and since two thousand fourteen he's been doing analysis of the team for AT and T sports net. And you'll see him in the pre game and post game shows. Welcome goes. So I think the biggest and best and most heartening storyline about the Recchi's west season. Maybe the season two is the way that they've built this homegrown rotation. That is really strong from top to bottom. We just marveled at the seasons that Cal free Lind and airman Marquez had last year as someone who played for the team and saw the the lack of pitching and past seasons. Do you have a sense of how they have managed to conquer course, field to a certain extent and come up with this just entirely homegrown rotation. I think when you look back at the history of the Rockies organization dating back to early. On in the late nineties and early two thousands. You know, they were trying to find the formula for what worked at course field, and they've gone through the gauntlet, we've seen you know, sinker ball guys like an errand cooker Jason Jennings than we saw the power arm of Volvo and the swing and miss stuff and seeing them try piggybacking starters where they went so Horman rotation and over seventy five pitches when I think the characteristic that was most needed was these guys are just competitors. They go out there on a daily basis. They don't think of course field as be that they have to slay they think of it as I'm gonna go out there and put the team in the position to win. And if I gave up five runs over five innings, that's fine. Because going to guarantee that the team has an opportunity to win. And when you look at what those guys do Kyle. Does it a little differently that her mom does he goes out? And he is gonna make you on comfortable. He's gonna pitch in. He's going to use this cutter. He's gonna use this change up a little bit where her mom's gonna come at you with fastball. And he's gonna be hyper aggressive. And make you hit in backwards counts. And again that common theme to me for them is that they go out and compete every time out. I was curious. Mrs just an opportunity talk a little bit about the current Rockies. But also about your own history of playing with the Rockies. I whenever of course, you talked about the rock is you have to talk about Horsfield just talked about course via little bit is a unique ballpark within the major league landscape. And I've always wondered, and I'll take this opportunity to ask you, of course, when you're getting Colorado the ball moves less. That's just easy. Get a ball drop easy to hit home run cetera. But what what was your own playing experience of trying to hit on the road after having a home series or three in a row because clearly when you look at the Rockies background there. The road numbers are are quite a bit worse than you would expect. It seems like they get used to the pitching elevation in the ball is different. Elsewhere. So what was it like to hit on the road? And then what was it like to play for a team after the fact and adjust to never having to increase at all? I think it's twofold for myself being. That I was not a spectacular hitter or even mediocre hitter. For me, if became more about hunting the fastball because you were not gonna go out on the road and see the same speech. You were gonna go out and see more twelve six curve balls. You're gonna see things that you didn't see a course because of the comfort level of visiting fishers, and given that there is a propensity to go out and swing early and counts, which hurt you. Sometimes when you go out on the road is the Rockies when you've got four or five guys in the lineup seeing pitches for VAT because the first fastball. They get they go after that's the thing that you guys talk about a little bit. Now, you know, and some of the other analytics guys they kind of forget what it's like to go out on the road. But talking with the guys like hot or to lower holiday for them. It was important for them to go out. And even if they had a starter. Let's say Jeff Francis was throwing his bullpen session. Go out watch him stand in watch the break of the ball watch the things that you're not used to seeing. So that your is gonna just. More quickly again, though, it's so difficult when you get in that heat of the battle, and you're seeing pitches that you haven't seen in the comforts not necessarily there. And sometimes it takes unfortunately, ten at bath. When you're out on the road that that hangover always talk about where you've gotta find a way to go up there and have good swings on the pitchers. You're used to hitting and putting them in play the way you want it. Another thing, you know, about from personal experiences playing the outfield, at course field and centerfield specifically which you did well, and that's one of the big questions about this twenty nineteen team. So two parter here. I who do you think ends up getting the bulk of the innings on the team at that position this year and two is that a unique challenge out there because of the size, and maybe because of the ways that the ball comes off the bat. It is very unique. And I think the the best outfield. I was ever a part of ironically involves two guys were outfielders at the start of their career. But coming up. The minor leagues myself not holiday. I'm Brad hop. We played so many games together in the minor leagues that we learned to work as a unit, and at course field that is really really paramount. You've got to be able to know the angles, you're gonna take whether you're the center fielder the right fielder. They've gotta be communicated because the gaps are what rush you there. And if you're giving balls in the gap, you're not necessarily running the risk of doubles. You're also running the risk of triples. And that's the carousel that we talk about on our broadcast when that starts happening. It's really hard to get off the carousel. You've gotta work together. Whether it's Desmond and center, whether it's Charlie and center, David dole. They're all capable of playing center feel but they've got to have that open communication where let's say right handed hitters up. You've got John gray on the mountains. Fastball spider. You know, majority of the time will pitch in your right fielder. He's probably gonna play a little more shallow. And he's going to have the inside angles the centerfield when you talk like that. And you communicate like that you play a lot better defense in the Al. Field and for myself having Matt and having Brad I knew what they were capable of. You have to know that because you can't ask them to do more than they're capable of. And you've got to be able to pick up where they can't just have to throw this in there because I was curious turns out when you were a member of the Rockies with two thousand five in two thousand eight you actually use lugged three eighty three at home, and you slide three ninety seven on the road. So you actually sort of broke all the rules as a rocky, which is I didn't think that was even possible. But anyway, this is not about course, over its previous career a decade ago. We're talking about the Rockies and one of the big questions moving forward because the the Rockies, of course, trying to keep up with dodgers. They were right there with them last season. They made the playoffs course season before. But right now, I think if you look at the production of the Rockies are projected to be a decent margin behind the dodgers in first place in the National League West and one of the big questions is going to be David doll and whether or not David dollars ready to take over as an everyday player. We know. Of course, he's been a top prospect. He's flood at the number of injuries. There's of stress fractured. His ribcage. Knocked him out for a long time. There's been a whole laundry list of problems, Adele his face. But at this point, it seems like he is lined up to get regular playing time. And I guess long short of it is how much do you expect from David Dahlin twenty nineteen? I honestly expect a lot. I think we've seen in small sample sizes, the potential of his ability, and to me, this is that time to take that major step Billy, you guys know Ryan billboards, he always talks about when you first get to the major leagues, you're trying to find that identity, and when you finally start believing that you belong that's when your potential comes out. I think for David twenty seventeen when he missed with a stress fracture. That was bizarre. I think he thought he belonged then starting eighteen in the minor leagues as well. With the foot Bratcher again. Then coming back to the big this is that step that he needs to realize I belong in the major league. And to quote boulder announced his presence with authority to me. He's one of the more dynamic layers that speed power combo a lot like Trevor story. And when you add that to the mix with Nolan. Charlie Daniel Murphy, if he clicks and clicks like you can they're often which wasn't as strong as it could have been last year can be much more dangerous, and I do like the speed aspect. I think that's something that's going to have. That's a little bit different. Yeah. I don't wanna keep harping on the park affects. But as you mentioned the offense was not really the strength of last year's team. It was kind of a pitching and defense team. And yet, I think a lot of people nationally still sort of think that the Rockies can hit even when they have a strong team, by their standards. Just because you know, they will still score runs. And if you don't do the park adjustments than it looks like they're at least pretty competent offensive -ly. So I don't know when you are on a broadcast, for instance in your talk into the local audience. Do you try to convey that and show them? Hey, this is what happens when you look at these stats after you would just for course, fielder. Is it just understood at this point? I still think it's a misconception from a lot of people outside Colorado. I think it's definitely a misconception on the national level. I think last year it taught myself how unimportant I guess, you know, hitting can be because we've always looked at course field as this great place to hit. And there's always been these great hitters here. Batting champion after batting batting champion. The first six weeks of the season last year the team was winning. And they're this ballpark. Batting average hitting around twenty and with runners in scoring position hit like one fifty or lower. And it taught me that you know, what you really can't win with quality pitching, at course field. And what the starters were able to do was absolutely incredible. So I was I was wondering the Rockies before last year they signed Charlie black men to a long term extension there. It seems like these based on reports that are in the process of of trying to get the long term extension agreed to with with Nolan or not we have seen them. They continue to make regular use of Ian, Desmond. I was a little surprised as well behind the plate. They didn't go out. And and get a better catcher. It seems like. Maybe this is overeating into it. But it seems like at least organizationally the Rockies are maybe one of the more loyal franchises in major league baseball loyal layers that they they aren't have and loyal some might argue to a false. So as you as you sit here, you look at the end of the offseason, assuming the Rockies aren't going to go out sign Manny Machado or or Bryce Harper. How do you evaluate the offseason? They've had I don't know whether they're actually going to flying terms with knowing or not or do you think that the they've done well to mostly keep the players that they are to have adding Daniel Murphy, or do you think that there may be missed opportunities because perhaps they just didn't want to replace when they already had in house. I think when you look back at tooth pain. Obviously, you know, the starting rotation performed. Well, bullpens nearly underperformed the expectation is for the bullpen to just do status. Quote, what what they had done previously as individuals and that as a whole, obviously perform better the glaring issue to me was that offense. And I think. Lot of people especially in Colorado. Have that said, well DJ and Daniel Murphy, we're looking now at the same contract or Julie, which do you have well, I played with Daniel Murphy and two thousand nine with the Mets his rookie season and bat to fall. I'm not sure there's a better guy in major league baseball. And I know how Jay had been as well having the ability to have a middle of the bat impact bat that is really consistent to me. I think that will be a game changer. I think having the ability to protect I mean, your shoes through five can basically be just about anybody. Whether Charlie hits in the middle of the order or not, and you had to make improvement there having Daniel be able to be that rock with what he's been able to do over the ten years of his career. I think is really important. There's been a pretty dramatic disparity in the past few years. If you look at the production that the Rockies have gotten from homegrown players versus free agents they've signed and even when they have spent money a lot of those. Investments just have not penned out. Obviously Desmond is the most obvious example. But you know, you can kind of go down the list Jake mckeon, Mike done, they're just a lot of places where they've spent money on free agents that they just haven't gotten a whole lot of production out of compared to the farm system where they've been one of the most productive teams in baseball recently. So is there any reason for that that you see that they have been so much better at getting winds from one way, but not from the other? Well, no, I think when you're introducing players from outside the system to course field. There's always a little bit of a learning her, and I think with Mike Mike Dunn had been dealing with them injuries that you know, them a little bit here and there whether it's knee or the shoulder, and I think for him he's had those problems fix their behind him. Hopefully, this will be a solid year and Jake also, you know, him trying to adapt from that one pitch mentality where he and Tampa. He was thrown you know fastball. Ninety five ninety six percent of the time that he also had a little bit of an issue. You try to introduce them a little bit of a slow curveball. It's one of those things where sometimes it's paralysis by Alex. You over think it stick with what got you to the dance? Right. And I think Jake learned a lot last year as well. And for him. It'll be important thing. I think the next guy is Brian Shaw again with Brian what he was able to do with Cleveland year over year over year. I think his learning curve was last year and he got away from himself. And I think this year will be important for him to get back to what what got into the day. I'm going to do the anointing where a series of numbers on a podcast. It's going to be six numbers, and I apologize. Everybody. In advance. I'm going to read Herrmann Marquez from last season his month by month. Strikeout rates. Okay. Starting April twenty one percent. Twenty one percent. Twenty seven percent. Twenty seven percent. Thirty three percent. Thirty eight percent by the end of the season Herrmann. Marquess strikeouts through the roof. You also by the way, trimmed his first half walk rate almost in half. And it's always more complex than you might see written about order whereas alleged but over the. Season herrmann. Marquez started a feature brand new slider in it seemed to make all the difference in by the end of the season. He was legitimately not just between well for Rockies pitcher, but pitching like one of the very best started pitchers in major league baseball. So you've seen that slider up close and personal. You've seen his stuff in person, and how much do you believe in airman Marquez's second half? And do you think that he's going to go into twenty on teen is a natural Siam candidate? I do I think, and I know people downplay Kyle Freeland, and what his ability is. But I think what those to do to push each other is very very valuable very important to what made her bond so successful introducing that slider. I acquainted to Clayton Kershaw when introduced his I really do. I think he became a whole different pitcher when he went from fast bulker ball, the fastball slider took a little bit for to learn how to harness it where to start it where he needed to throw it to right handed hitters or to left handed hitters but for him. It added so much more confidence where you know, what I can be hyper aggressive with my family. Football get you down a one and the count. And we all know how important one is. When you get a ball in the next count one one the count in swing? It's almost two hundred points from batter's favor to pitchers favor when it goes to one two versus two one and her mind was really incredible in that count. And when you're in defensive count against a guy like her mom got a fastball that can run up the hundreds and snap dragging her fall that he can throw anywhere from eighty to eight miles an hour. And then the side or that you have to think about your behind the eight ball, you're you're in a defensive position. And that's when those strikeouts half and you start expanding the strike zone and Herman has become really good at getting strikes in the zone with those pitches. So that he can then get chases outside the strike zone. And I think that's what life that strikeout rate increasing so much late in the season. And I look through these same thing this year, one of the reasons that the Rockies weren't great offensively last year is that they're stalwart from twenty seventeen Charlie Blackmon after signing. An extension. He went from MVP caliber player to maybe above average player just took a big hit offensively. And if you look at the defensive stats, they went way way south, and he may be playing more in the corner than center we've sauce some of those issues in the playoffs last year. Is there a realistic expectation of abouts back there, or is it just take he's about to be thirty three this year? And this is sort of what happens eventually, I hate to be cliche. And I hate to be the normal. You know broadcaster who covers the player and says I expect big things from Charlie. And he's one of the hardest workers. But that really is Charlie Blackmon is I think when you look at games played over the last few years, you begin to understand the toll that it's taken on his body playing center field, of course, field not just running the hundred yards out to center field. One hundred yards back, but having to go get the ball, and the gap. There's wear and tear on the body and on the mind that people don't see. And I think last year that was kind of that burden for Charlie. I had this year. I started off a little slow. I'm gonna press a little bit, and you know, physically mentally just exhausted. I am just beat down. And I think going into this offseason might guess would be that Charlie pushed himself as hard when he was working out. But he also understood that I need downtime to let my body recover. So for Charlie moving out of centerfield, if he does I think it will give him a huge break on what he has to do physically on defensing games, which will help him offense in a lot of ways. If you want to look things simplistically, if you saw them on a split screen, you might think that Noah Syndergaard, John gray or the same pitcher budwood Noah syndergaard's coming off a pretty successful season. John gray is coming off year where he still had the same power stuff as always. But his numbers kind of bounced around then wrote at one point greatest had a really strange first half zero was bad. But all southern numbers were good. It was demoted to the minors came back seem to make some positive adjustments. But his second half numbers. Let's say he pitched to a lot. More contact and he didn't finish the season quite as his strikeout dominant. Elite has he's seemed in the past. So understanding again, you know, your your broadcast recovers these players all the time, and you you've been up close with with John gray. And do you do you see more of a finished polished product in in twenty nineteen? What did you see from John grade down the stretch last year that might make you feel optimistic or pessimistic about what he's going to do in this season head? Well, I think it's easy to be both for John. If you to be optimistic because we see the potential we see some of the, you know, advanced Pacific's today, he wasn't as bad as the traditional statistics say, but for me for John I think physically he was much lighter at the end of the season booked like he had lost a lot of weight up. Sure, I mean have played in the big leagues, and I would go to spring training at one hundred ninety pounds in the season rolled around. I one hundred sixty pounds stress can get to you. And I think the stress of of of the non excessive outings was really getting them. The biggest. Thing for John is to to get out of his own way. Mentally to just go out there and attack hitters, and you know in game adjustments, John sometimes or what really gets him. He's really like to go out and and try and dump him on fastball. So that he doesn't get to his curveball. And when he gets in traffic out there that gets them in trouble for me for John just getting out there being aggressive focusing on the game plan that he set forth. Whether it's fastball slider using the Kirpal a little bit here. And there remember what got him there? And that's that fastball slider combination while the other two pitches that he uses her aunt Larry, and you can mix them in just to get hitters off balance. You've got to be aggressive with the two you got. And you can't over think it John at times last year gotten his own way a little bit mentally. And I think that's where but is really going to help him understand. Listen watch Kyle watch her mind, watch the way these guys go out and the mentality. They pitch with and for John. That's that next. Big step. We've been. Talking about the major league restri-. We haven't talked much about the farm system. But I want to ask you about Brendan Rodgers who depending on the sources of top ten top twenty prospect in all baseball this year, and he made it up to AAA last season. So presumably he's not too far away. He has played a little bit of every infield position. Of course, you've got Trevor story short. You've got are not oh third. You have garett Hamson who just made it to the majors briefly last year and he's twenty four so Roger's gonna breakthrough at some point this season. If so where I think running Rodgers will definitely be seen in Iraqi uniform this year, I think it would take a massive spring training effort for that to happen out of spring. I think he's got some steps that he needs to finish. I think it's really important that guys take that last step is specially guys his caliber just for him to finish off any of the question marks that he might have. And you know, when you're talking about guys like Hamson that speed aspect that. He's still fifty. Basis in the minor leagues. I really like him extending that lineup when he's in there. I think he showed poise I think sort of maturity at the big league level. I think you've also got talk a little bit about Ryan McMahon, and the gap to got power that he can bring playing a little bit of second base, it if to me having been through the downtimes of the Rockies, and now this really heavy plethora of young talent. I mean, we're talking about Iraqi seen that made the playoffs two years in a row, and they have the potential to easily do it again. If you're in a row, it goes to show you how well Jeff bridage and his front office have done it -veloping this talent in creating this players together. And when Brendan Rodgers gets the big leagues, I think you're gonna see the Henschel. I if I was with Todd Helton I was with too low. You know, I missed I I got the end of a ball. But they've always had these names that are there and whether Trevor story now Nolan or Brendan Rodgers and Charlie Blackmon, it's impressive. What these guys have done to put this team and this organization in this this. Yeah. And. Another guy who falls into that prospect category or did is Rimal toppy. Now, he is twenty five he hasn't hit at the big league level yet. He spent most of last year in triple A, and it seems like he's ticketed for eventual at the big league level again this year is there still hope that things are going to click that those unconventional mechanics are gonna come together is the the luster sort of fading. I think there's still hope I think for rhyme L. The biggest thing is that mental step of I'm a big leaguer. I think when he gets to the major leagues he steps outside himself and tries to do a little bit too much. That's very common for younger players when they get to the big leagues, and I wanna make an immediate impact and for rhino having opportunity come off the bench. I actually think will really really help him because he'll have the opportunity. Whether it's a Mark rental who obviously rocky just sign if you makes the bench to help him understand the the player, you are the player that guy you hear don't try and do too much go out there have. Back get on base reach absolute havoc out there. And that you're going to be now once he gets opportunity play every day. You'll get to see the skill sets that we've seen in the minor leagues. And the way he's been able to put the ball play and put it in play hard. That takes consistent bats, never easy. When you're coming off the bench to have those consistent at bats every single time out. But I think there's always I mean, there's hope he's got the skill set that that plays at the major league level. He's just gotta gain that confidence as well. All right. So we end e to these segments by forcing our guest to make a win. Total prediction for the coming season. Now, the Rockies are coming off a ninety one win years they made it to the DS. They were maybe not quite that. Great. If you look at some of the underlying metrics, but they've obviously had a run of success here. And they have offended a young talent. Didn't do a ton over the off the side from adding Dinna Murphy the to play first base, which you'd think there's some reason to be optimistic about a contact hitter. Like that at course field so gay. Give us your outlook and expectation for Rockies wins wise this year, I will only do. So if afterwards you guys will as well. All right. That's not how this works. On the precedent to set there. Because then all our guest will ask us to do it. But I guess I am quite the risk taker last year I said they needed to win ninety two games to win the division. I thought they would do it. They obviously came up one sixty three one game short. I'm sticking with it. I'm gonna say they win ninety two games. Wow. All right. It's up, and I know that that is super aggressive. But I I know that this team can do it. I know that they play incredibly well together they play for each other. And they've overachieved the last two years every every year the projections are eighty one eighty two wins. I think this you're eighty five I still think they get over the ninety Mark. And this year, they get over the hump and get the ninety two which would be a franchise record band. You're gonna do it. Well, I guess I should we agreed to write. It's only fair had. I mean. Yeah. Looking at the projections right now on on fan grassroot looks like they're eighty two before one of the other projection systems of folded, and and I guess I'll I'll give them a little credit for having exceeded that. That and maybe they will be willing to make some midseason moves. So I don't know. I guess I go eighty four I'm gonna go eighty six and also say that I will not offer any more predictions for any other team. This will not set a precedent. This isn't accepted. All right. Yeah. Well, we appreciate you doing that to. Thank you very much Korean and Recchi's fans can find him and follow him all season long on the pregame and postgame. Thanks corey. Right. So we will take one more quick break in. We'll be right back with Stephen j Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh post present to talk about these pirates. So we are doing now by Steven genius. But who covers Pittsburgh sports for the Pittsburgh post said, even it's pope could thing that you don't cover the pirates explicitly because I don't know how you could have gotten through a whole offseason. The whole lot out going on dealers. They have their own business going on though the pirate. They don't they don't when I was on the beeper three years. They really keep you too busy during the off season. There would be the occasional John. Those dining when when you're visiting family, or you know, the rare minor league free they bring in. But typically during the offseason, they don't they don't keep you too busy. And this season was was it exclusively minor league free agents should be review what the pirates actually did. Because that won't take very long. There are a lot of names that they added and almost all of them are minor league bridge. What is the mood now, I guess with team because they have of course, have been inactive of the winner. Which is not surprising. But it was last year they decided to go big they traded for Chris Archer. They went a little less big. They traded for Kiana Keila. So you could say that the pirates have acted aggressively tried to make sort of win now and win medium-term moves. But what is the sense about how that's gone? I know it's still early. But how it's what's. Mood around those two moves I think for fans that seems like to move don't agree in that year. You're willing to fit a shoe of your really, I guess formerly elite prospects in off the meadow than Todd glass, even feigned Baz who first-round pick who might be good who know that at this point. So you're willing to do that to bring it Chris Archer, but then the often comes and you see your payroll plummeted to south of seventy million and really bringing on a consequent other than people generally like the the Lonnie children all add he can be the rent healer while Gregory Palumbo is recovering from from his injuries. And you bring in Jordan Lisle to to maybe be that fifth. Charter you bring back young ho gung on a one year deal. Again, they're doing with fire typically in the off season, which is hiccup flyer on a number of guys who you can buy low on one year deal. And if they've pay off as a fan base that not exciting whatsoever. Especially when you see the. That even the reds or making. But certainly the cardinals and the brewers they're not playing the game right now. And that that really the philosophy of the pirates if they're going to add it'd be aggressive. They're gonna do it at the trade deadline not in the offseason. And while I think that makes sense in a lot of ways sort of see what what cars you have before you push all your chips in. I guess I it's not something. That's Michelle welded the fan base play. Well, even sometimes in the in the clubhouse, and I think that sort of the the juggling game juggling act that Neal Huntington and is front office have to deal with the fact that these are popular moves doing nothing rarely a popular move. Yeah. I mean, this is the first time the pirates of not spent when people wanted them to spend in there lot of other teams this offseason that people are wondering why aren't they going over this level? Why aren't they signing this free agent? But it just seems like the pirates are in one of the most egregious positions. Because they're in this competitive division where everyone else seemingly is trying to upgrade. And they're not terrible. I mean, they may not have a whole lot of stars or big name players. But as evidenced by the fact that we're doing this preview fairly early in the series, and and they're kind of in the middle of the pack in the projections. They are in a place where you could dream on them being competitive, if they did add a few pieces, and so what has ownership said if anything and how much anger is there among pirates fans. Yeah. It's hard to hard to forget. Sometimes this is winning team here. They dumped your coal, and and in recovering and got guys through in general Than Tun to help them last year. They may help down the road. But this is the there was probably a year that they were going to be just rebuilding bridging. However, you wanna say it, and they turned into a pretty good ball of now. The the problem is they're in a in a good division and pretty good not gonna get you anywhere near the wildcard. You're like last year, and though ownership doesn't really say much in the city, Bob, noting be once a year, it's ring training, and that has yet to occur and doesn't usually say a whole lot just doesn't doesn't get doesn't get particular about how much money they can spend where where there. Bam tech money going fell last year, the players unit filed a grievance against the pirates that a couple of other team thing eventually funding the money you're getting and they got through that. All right. And then you make a move like in the fan base starts, maybe trying to rethink what the view for a moment. They were the biggest. That made in honestly decades, and then you come the off season. And you see where the payroll goes. Now, you where they have been and you have people your plenty of people have said, and I'm sure both of you have as well. Like, you know, they have the payroll to go get Manny Machado if they want to. But we all know the likely thing in the world just because they have been at one hundred ten before doesn't mean they're willing to start the season there. And so it's pretty outrageous. I think we can all agree where payroll is now their argument would just be that what we have a ton of young players who are cheap still, and we don't wanna make a rookie huge cost upgrade in the offseason. We'd rather see what we have first. And then and then sort of go from there and add the season. And and maybe you'll be surprised just how much we can add. But at this point fans would love to them winning baseball and April and may and June. And then go go even further, and if you can at the trade deadline, right? Yeah. That seems almost like backwards argument. We have all these young key players. It's a reason that you should be able to spend on someone you would think. Yeah. No. The exactly the time with Martin out this year that this is this is the time to go in on a manicotti if you're ever gonna do it because you have a window right now with guys like Jamieson town with even your your outfielders of Gregory Plakos drawing March. Hey, you have Josh bell. You have on Morand guys who could turn into really go much. Another good one Trevor Williams you have a few years now. But if you don't really cash in things now, you're gonna be left with maybe one or two years of those guys in their prime and still Ford -able to keep them on the roster same time, and you don't wanna see what happened with this last poor with the Garrett Cole and Neil Walker and Andrew mccutchen. And those guys are gone now and the window closed way sooner than you thought it would and get more expensive than the pirates with life pretty quickly. Even if you haven't been the majors for six, and sometimes more yours, and so I do think this. The time. When when if you're gonna go for it, do it now, you have three or four years with, you know, some really really strong. Indeed core rather than just trying to have your mission be to via winning club every year. And and never, you know, never tank and never never go for the number one pick like they were her for a long time unintentionally, and and really street to be a favorite rather than just somebody in the conversation as you mentioned last last year the pirates were winning team. That's why the traded for actress to train for Kayla because they thought that not only could they get this players and help them in the short term future. But also they can help them in the very short feature may be making playoff run. That's not how it happened. But you know, the pirates did have seasons sort of a moderate success last year still the finish in fourth place. But they're rare team above five hundred. But now you have this offseason. Whereas we've discussed parts of done very little and the reds of all teams of sort of pushed in even seem to have made a play for JT Romo too because the reds seem to really want to get back into the hunt. So I understand that even in vac. Cume maybe the pirates messaging isn't always a fan favorite. But maybe this is a redundant question. Because we've already been talking about this. But how do the pirates sell their plan in an offseason, which the reds are like, okay, we're gonna we're gonna kinda go for it. We're gonna make a play and trying to be more competitive. Yeah. I think that the pirates would do is they they will will you can take the red. You can pick the Philly and what they're doing right now. But you'd also have to insist what they've done the last five years, and there's been person pretty ugly faithful happening, and you you have your, you know, your franchise. Former started coming on time for winning baseball comeback. The natty of pamper good big book. I'm back to Philly and of Pires will while we've been in the competition every year. Now, we we won ninety eight games. We couldn't get the wild card with the cubs. But those three years were great the problem three years or thrift into the distance further and further, and you need to show that you are going to get back to that level and you can compete within the division. And when things I'm getting away from what they would say. But this is what I would say when the when the division. Continues stock up and people all you that the cubs aren't talking up, but they don't need to a much better position than the pirates to begin with. And so the pirates I think would would just caution fans to look at the past few years and how they've built which is of course, from within from the draft from their own development system. But if they're going to add that comes at the trade deadline, and it comes usually with trading one or two players who are expiring contract. That's your look like Corey Dickerson or Junko gung at the nights year. You have survelliance those guys will go if the team is terrible. Now the teams in contention the parts of showing we're willing to keep those guys not get anything back for them before they hit for agency. And then maybe we'll trade for for an Archer on. We'll do some adding that thing they typically when they add they don't go all in. But they wanna give the team of finding chance which is what you've seen the last few years where that the deadline that chemically are still alive. And so I think that do enough in trade. Keep the team afloat without passing everything in which was why it was rare that they go for Archer and spent so much apple and prospect to do though and it didn't work out latching. But the only reason they were willing to do it was because of how many years they're gonna keep Kella. He Chris Archer and keep window open for the next three four years before these guys did too expensive and start going onto agency, and they're really out of the pirates price range. Yeah. And so everything really depends on Archer. They they really need him to be the guy that they gave up all those players for if they're gonna have any hope of really being in a competitive position this year. He had a minor surgery. Not too long ago, and is expected to be recovered from that what's the level of optimism that Archer can actually be what the pirates saw when they acquired him because there is kind of worrisome pattern in his recent stats. You know, you're absolutely right. In lot Lynch pin of the season. You you have a really promising during rotation very young as well where they traded Yvonne Nova and other another move that that is sort of attracting a little without without really taking the team. He's the capable fifth starter, of course. But not a lot more than that point. But you need Chris Archer should be pretty close to eight material alongside James and town and Trevor Williams who who had really really really strong second half then and we'll look to do the same. Of course this year. I had a good September. But he has been wildly inconsistent. The last two years the pirates decided it was worth it based on you know, his his track record that he's going to bounce back. They hope that rates. Here's can can get with them and really fix them of what's going on. But this is a guy who had some of the best stuff in a game. And and he really hasn't shown it in the last few years. So they need him to bounce back in and leave that rotation right alongside I own. And if he can I mean, this is a pretty pretty dependable top where. East of Utah syndrome us grove is at work. And then for the number five who knows where they go that could be Lyles and could you push a lot in relief last year probably better suited there or they could do Nick Kingham who is somewhat dependable at times last year. But you probably don't want him in the playoff hunt. Even brawled the could be or they could go Penn which they've they've considered a little bit though. A lot of that depends on how good Archer is. I think they can be in. You know, the division conversation are pretty close to it. If those top three top four starters pitch anywhere near as they're capable. I don't think I need to tell anyone on this podcast that while this off season hasn't been popular with pirates fans last offseason was even less popular with pirates fans those offseason, which traded gear colon. Also, of course, they traded contract year, Andrew mccutchen. And in return for mccutchen from the giants that God prospect Brian Reynolds who went on to have a pretty good season in AA, and that's international money. And they also got a big league reliever. Kyle Krikken look creek not. He's always had stuff's ever really been questioned Venice stuff. But he was a good reliever last year. Amid Tuesday array got better as the season wore on. If you seems like he was able to get as walks under control now that it's year after the fact how is that trade viewed? Is it still is it a failure to have lost Andrew mccutchen under any circumstances? Or have people started to come around to the fact that okay, we were gonna lose mccutchen? Anyway. And we actually seemed to have gotten one or two pretty good players return. Yeah. I mean unequipped I don't think anyone who beat up. But at this point. I mean, certainly they would have loved it. If he would come back on a four your ten million dollar deal like they'd love to have him back. But they understand Kutcher. Who was and in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen twenty fifteen when he was you know, perennial MVP candidate. And so I think people get it now. And they're the having the guys, and yeah, the return workout it wasn't something that was gonna make or break their last year. You know, having imitate anything you wasn't terribly impressive with the giants or the Yankees and mostly how he is in philadel-. That's your creek like you said turned into a really solid back with the rotation candidate. They got the really bright. But for them where they have certainly Philippe if Afghans closer only Rivero, and then they have cr- creek as their eighth inning. Man. They have the good seventh-inning man in Edgar Santana who is a rookie young guy. But then yet Tommy John as did trad cool. They'll both be out this year. And so they filled in with Yoni Calla from from the ranger. So I think that's gonna be a bright spot in for a team that had had lost out on having that dependable back rotation. Mix of you know, Jared Hughes Tony watt than Martin Lanston. This is a pretty good followup cast. So I think people, you know, down the road will like what they got former touch in particular because mccutchen hasn't returned to to be forms since he last. Well, is there anyone else who falls into the category of? Okay. They didn't sign someone. They didn't spend. But player x is. Poised to bounce back or player y in triple A is about to hit the seed and do well or players EON. The major league roster has been kind of under the radar, but has a real chance to make major steps this year. Yeah, I'll give you a couple of the first one the guy who the next one up really is going to be Mitch Keller who was one of the one of the writer prospect in baseball, really good, right? Into pitcher has has really powered stuff. You've got AAA really when he got there last year still real young. He was blown up for a couple of start there after really owning the the low minors pretty easily what the futures game and sort of look like he got back. He was Ruth a little bit with with owning fastball. And and came back to have a nice finish of the season. And they think he could be ready by mid season. Of course with with the pirates. They won't bring him up earlier than than they'll he'll let the Jordan Lyles experiment. Go on until they really. Need him? But he's a he's going to be an exciting to watch. I think he really could be that next guy up, of course with the pirates. The trouble is that next guy isn't always ready when you when you need him to be with, of course, with the with the Tommy John, and then hernia surgery thought with highly glass now with traded before he lost them, and they knew they were doing that. But they sort of felt they had to and of course, with different player prospects. You're not ready when you call them like have Newman who is a former first round pick who is going to be in a timeshare shortstop looks like with with air kansallis, but really didn't show well last year. So another guy that I would look at and will be really interesting. It's Junko gun. They bring him back on on minor league deal. Of course, this guy has a pretty wild story where he comes to them after tremendous success in the Korean league two years ago and two seasons. Really, well, despite breaking his leg at one point covering second on double play. But the guy was power. Hip or average and also had you just showed tremendous sort of that the unbroken. Plus, Jane, Layton lane games. He could he could write and you put him near recovering that lineup. He was he was pretty pretty impressive. Now. Of course, you have several DUI's on his record back in Korea. He is allowed back into the US doesn't have a V the for the most of last year. He finally gets in the middle of the year because the AAA comes up to majors and did all right. All right enough that the pirates that you know, we'd like to bring you back. We can. So they didn't have to leave. It was din tender contract with them. They brought him back on a minor league deal. And and he's gonna be I think it was a major like about that. He's going to be a timeshare with Colin Durant at third base. Really moran. Underperformed pretty pretty mightily last year that had high praise early on. And they think there's a lot more power in that that they think is better defense there at third base. So it'll be interesting to see of gung really forces the Hugh at third base where you know, getting older and he has not had a ton. Major league experience in the last few years because of legal trouble and his injuries. So it'll be interesting to see how quickly he picked things up. And then the lack of I'll give you is. I think Josh bell is is pretty crucial to what they're doing here. First base after having really a really huge rookie year first of all season than last year with the guy that that that the pointed pretty pretty mightily. He had twelve homers where I think the previous year yet twenty five plus, and so they think more power in that bad as well. And we'll see because he's the guy who they put a lot of money into as a prospect. And and so far in the majors it's been a little roller coaster. So that would be my three or four guys keep an eye on going back to gun for a minute. In addition to his DUI is he also had a sexual assault allegation against him for an incident that was supposed to have occurred in Chicago. And he he's getting chances over and over. And you know, is this just a case of the pirates are not gonna spend a lot, and they think the sky will. Worth more than they pay him. And so they're just willing to give him a shot. Even though he has this really kind of disturbing record or do. They think he's a different guy for some reason. Is there any basis for believing that a little bit of all of that of winter before you'd be able to give you the I went down to the Dominican you write about 'em when you're gonna Dominican winter league trying victory for the pirates that yet I can still play bit bought a high level, and you really didn't show at their end up in cut up. You got down to Iago in the Dominican and pick me for the story or anything like that. But you had gotten because he couldn't hit it was losing weight who's a real real bad grant. And so I thought it was a good fan point that you never even get back into into the US just goes back to the k b o but it turns out you're able to give us through some a lot of effort from the team through lawyers degration lawyer though, but you're right to the his path the dredging Chicago with the textual allegation. Hill as far as I know at the time when I wrote that story was years out from from the allegation unresolved that kind of went nowhere. And so what he has on his record technically review is in Korea and the pirates, you know, has that going major league baseball clear him, and we'll follow whatever they say, which they did they put him through a some sort of mandated treatment program. And and so I don't know if they turned it around their stories the Roger Chappell wrote one for the cleric about how in well in the Dominican than going became born again Christian and supposedly turned his life around. I can't reach that. Personally. I don't know if he truly has. But he has a checkered path and the pirates I think are willing to say that the the price he's at right now, he's a huge. I mean, the potential for for huge upside there because of his power and something they need, and they think he's not at present danger to people as oppose. He's not. Driving or anything like that? So you hope that you hope that's true. But there there is a faction of the fan base. And it certainly did more back and because it came up in September. I think that people are a little used to it by now and they brought him up in a row series, probably smart on their part. And we'll see how that goes this year, but sends a ten to happen if a guy can hit, and he brings you know, if he's a bonus for the team than the fans typically tend to get mine for better for worse. Well, the last thing I guess we want an ask before we get to the the hardest part is if there is a third one player on the seem still sort of has some star upside the that even seem to be really tapping into it after an offseason hard work last season. It was Gregory Lanka who just had the best offense of season of his career before coming to a pretty significant shoulder injury. That's the recovery which is going to keep him out for the first few months of this coming season. So understanding, of course, that no one's really going to know what I'm going to be when he returns because shoulder surgeries are always problem for hitters, and it can take a while for the power to come back. What does he man of optimism with the guard diplo at this point in? What was it? The at least in Europe emission really seem to make the difference last season as tapped into power Laghi hadn't before yet. No, you have the right? I mean, this point twenty seven which is a little hard to believe because he was he was coming up at eight twenty two and and the ton of promise is shown it in flashes here and there, but that. Victim Pitsea has has been there. I think last year you saw him really start to get into a rhythm. It almost felt like the the injury came at the worst time possible the injury, if you haven't seen with entirely preventable would be the lugging out a double I think he would. I don't know what he's doing pretty hilarious. Looking flied hilarious, even though he got injured. He's able to laugh at it. Now to he's sort of goes in six five you'd and he just sort of leaps into this. Lied ends up. Twisting Neil little bit. And then crashing into his shoulder. There just wanted ugly. Flied you'll you'll ever see an injured both his knee industry. Older turns the children with a more serious one. He's up. So probably may. So we'll see how long it takes till he can come in. And replace lunch isn't hall, but he had really hit it it. It's dried at the plate. And I think the thing he's always battled is being of the shorten swing. And it seems like a really simple thing to do. But it's something he's worked guys like David Ortiz on going back three or four years because he's such a big guy long levers of the pirates. To say and his wing can be so long in looping with like a Nike Swoosh that the inside fastball. He couldn't catch up two guys and really taking advantage of that. And then with putsches he get started so early that it's hard to to react in an address to an off speed things. So last year, I mean, just you drive with with twenty three homers is great. But also he had a big dope. Yes. It's up to eight thirty nine which far far above is seven forty three average. So a lot of promise there and his is a defense in right field is okay. He looks a little bit like Jurassic times running around this long leg and not not the new that always in the outfield. Great arm. So you've got you've got power in there. He needs to stay healthy the previous year and he was hampered by hamstring injuries. I think three or four of them. So is the guy definitely to watch up or. But if you're gonna take that next step forward, they certainly need the right bueller to as well. All right. So Leslie as. Jeff alluded to we asked you to guests in this series to give us a predicted win total for the twenty nineteen season. Now, sometimes we include a caveat of we've still got some time before opening day. And who knows what moves they might make. But in the pirates case, I think we can probably be pretty confident that this will be the team that they take into the actual season or close to it. So what do you think where do they end up wins? Weiss? We can record it. They find without. All right. Share? Okay. If not for a Machado ad, I think that there's a better team than last year. We'll see where without put them. They did really well in the division. But last year that was part of the reason may it were able to get about five hundred they're terrible outside of it. They need to win in the division the division is getting better. So I think it's going to be hard to make huge strides there. I would give them a small upgrade, I will say it will be any five. And you think when he all right? Well, we thank you for talking to us for almost half an hour about the pirates, even though with the pirates gave us almost nothing to talk about for of nothing. But at least, but you should all read Stevens coverage of the pirates and Pittsburgh sports. You can find him in the Pittsburgh post gazette, and you can find him on Twitter at Stephen j Nesbitt. Thanks, very much, Stephen they've procured. All right. That will do it for today and for this week, by the way, postscript on the JT real Muto trade. It's funny. When we discussed that the we talked mostly about the Phillies angle, and we talked about the return. The Marlins got we didn't really talk about why the Marlins wanted or needed to trade the best catcher in baseball because it was just taken for granted. That's with the Marlins. Do that's what they've been trying to do whenever the Marlins have good player. Eventually he gets traded and Sam wrote about that actually on Friday at ESPN. He updated the count of the twenty five best players in Marlins history by war Twenty-three have now been traded. And the only two exceptions are AJ Burnett, and of course, Jose Fernandez and the Marlins made attempts to trade both of them. So Marlins continued to be a strange outlier in that respect. You can always count on them to come up with good players, but you can also always count on them to get rid of them. It's an indictment of that entire organization, of course. But at this point, it's par for the course, we don't even bat an eye when we see the rumors and when rail Muto. Doesn't want to consider an extension. We all just drug and say, yeah. Of course, why would you? So we'll know things have changed for the Marlins if they ever do if they actually lock up one of their players really long term. And then keep him one other note on the Phillies end of that deal. We mentioned that or hail Farrow is a better framer than rail Muto, but wasn't really a good framer before last season. He really worked on it. In the Phillies helped him get better with Craig driver. They're catching coach working with him every day. So it's possible. That the Phillies could improve rail new does framing he's older than Fara was obviously, maybe he's more sitting his ways. Maybe he just doesn't have the ability to do it. But it's not impossible that he could improve that weakness, or at least relative weakness in his game. And then he'd really be a n VP type player. 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I really appreciate it because you're right. It looked really good. Look, really good, man. I got cap envy. And I noticed other people are saying, hey, you ought to get this cap. You ought to get that cap. I get the feeling they're like all these boxes. Descending upon Bristol. Connecticut. Your name on it. We'll see whether minor league cat. Yeah. Well, here's the thing ever. Says get this one get that one. I say, yes, send it to me. Here's my address, and I don't hear back. So I don't know. We'll see we'll see what happens right news notes of the day. The angels announced the show Tanya will soon be activated rat. Awesomeness? The angels manager indicating that he'll be activated before the angels return home on may seventeenth the angels. Play. The Blue Jays last night. Kole? Calhoun got him started in the second inning. Here's the one one this is high. This fall is hip deep in the right center field. It's daring in right center here. Oh, Joe Hoon home run number eight of the season. It's tops on the club. That's the two run shot and the angels. They're on top. It's to nothing Jerry Smith. Angels radio. Am eight thirty. It's an angel's game. So, you know, Mike trout did something three to pitch route. It's one high and he hits this fall out into left center field. Really here. The angels win the game sixty Josh I think you would agree with me. We've now got to that point where there's not a question about who's the best player in baseball. They're not any one really close second in two thousand nineteen. No, yeah. Yeah. And we're here in horse racing season. Mike trout is secretary at the Belmont. He's. Exactly White Sox Red Sox. And the Red Sox took the lead the top of the seventh the kick that you one pitch bouncing ball. Slowly hit left side picked by Anderson. Turns goes to second gets an out there. But one's going to score a fielder's choice RBI and the Red Sox toggle back on top. It is forty three just Lewin w e ninety three point seven FM Ryan brazier took that lead four three in the bottom of the ninth inning. And this is what happened when I wanna del Monaco swinging along on right center field on the boop that detract picks gone three run all sacks. Wade. Win socks laying turnout of fireworks. Dead former on WGN and Josh among the Red Sox losses this year. I think that may have been the worst hurt that one hurt you, you know, they had a decent stretch last week needs start to think yourself. Okay. Maybe they're running around loss. Like that reminds you it just doesn't look like they're year, especially so far in the first half. And coming up Carl Ravitch the Rabbie train whether or not the Red Sox need to step up and make the investment and bring back Craig kimbrel. The nationals beat the cardinals two-to-one and along the way Stephen Strasburg reached a milestone, five and a half back hitches in their strength. Recall curveball Hudson Strasbourg with his eighth strike Stephen Strasburg with these strikeout Tacoma Hudson. Looking into the game was also the one thousand five hundred strikeout of his career. So Stephen Strasburg in one thousand two hundred seventy two and a third innings becomes the fastest. According to the Elias sports bureau to reach one thousand five hundred strikeouts in major league history. That's pretty good Charlie slows in the nationals radio networks. So he had a big moment on a really good day. But right after the game general manager, Mike Rizzo announced the pitching coach, Derek Lilla quest has been fired. We've made a staff change. We've let Derek Lula go as pitching coach we're going to replace him with palman heart are longtime minor league pitching coordinator fourteen years in your organization five years in the as our pitching coordinator in the minor leagues. And probably has has had a has touched each and every nationals pitcher, that's that's, you know, ever hit the mound, and he'll be taking over duties as tomorrow at Philadelphia and. We're excited for him to to start his start his major league pitching coach career. We didn't make this move in a day or weeks. You know, so this was this was something that that Davey and myself have have been been keeping are keeping our finger on the pulse of so the nationals make that change that sound from Massin sports. The Padres blew out the Braves eleven to two with a whole bunch of runs in the middle innings to to tie, France. Hi, fly ball, deep right center field that ball will be off the glove that ball off the wall off a kunas an hour away from the glove and hospital is run along contact the way going into third is high France with an Ivy I triple off the fence and the glove of a kunia in center field that call from Josh. Janet, verbal journey was courtesy of Ted Lightner on ninety seven point three the fan. Yeah. Final score eleven to two the twins beat the Astros. Eight two in the final game of that. Series with help from Jayson Castro and a pitch and that balls hit softly the right center field rennet coming on still coming on. He'll get there. No chance to throw out Buxton tagging up and he scores easily with the six run. So again swing and early and having results. And that's what the twins have been doing this year that call from Dan, gladden and the Treasure Island. Baseball network will be talking with Colorado, which about the twins who have surged to the top of the American League another good team in the AL this year, the raise they played the royals and in the top of the ninth inning. They took the lead. Now, the burly right into ready to go into pitch. Swing and a high fly ball right field back at it is so layer to the track to the wall. It's gone Brandon low with his seventh home run of the season list went over the woman right into the Royal bullpen of seconds after he was just named American League rookie of the month. Here. He is now in may. And he could be the hero today that sound from six twenty w DA Tampa Bay wins three to one the Rockies beat the brewers. Eleven is six by scoring a whole lot of runs early on to pitch. Swing along one deep left center field. This one outta here. Absolutely towering shot to left field to or scored by the Rockies. That from KOA. Centerfield of the day. The game of the day in city field the final game of the series between the Mets and the reds Noah Syndergaard on the mound for the Mets. He was spectacular. And he was also pretty good at the plate synagogue. It's ball decoyed lip weaker going back. He watches it sail. That poem is. Homerun Noah Syndergaard along whole brunt or the opposite field. It was about ten rose up the on the evidence sweet seats and keep left center. That from WCBS Noah Syndergaard, six career home run. Syndergaard was still on the mound in the ninth inning. Which is where the Mets needed to be because their bullpen has been tax. Give a lesson. How they pitch fastball in their strike. Noah Syndergaard has his third career complete game shutout where he did all the heavy lifting both on the now than at the plate. Syndergaard with a four hit shutout the final store that New York. Mets won the Cincinnati Reds nothing. How euros WCBS Noah? Syndergaard talked about the day. Yes. The most. Some are starting to come around for spring. Besides. Just. Simple. And just trusting conviction everything whenever taking plan. Yeah. But does on them. Yeah. He sounded underwhelmed there. He really wasn't in the words. He talked about being close to rock bottom. You could hear that sound on S. And why he was terrific today will be talked with chase utley some great Clayton Kershaw stories in perspective on analytics in whether he'll want to manage someday. Jessica does offer some thoughts in the big weekend series coming up between the cardinals and cubs. Let's get to it. The it's the Rabbie tray with Carl ravage in Colorado. To course, the hosted baseball tonight play by play man for ESPN. And where was the Rabbie trained park yesterday? Carl when Noah Syndergaard was dealing with that great outing against the Cincinnati Reds who. Yeah, it was. It was actually stuck into station which was a great time to be stuck in the station. We watch the entire met game and talking about a pitcher that needed to pitch. Well, there was a lot of questions about Syndergaard and his inability to go deep into a game. And we had seen degrom do really well. And then he kinda faded a little bit back in backing up degrom start with what Syndergaard did and his home. You know, it was funny to me. I don't know if you saw the the end of it when he got his final out. But I'm not sure he was either aware of what inning was or what he had accomplished because his first step was back to the dugout like all, right? Well, I. Did my job in that inning? And I'll be back out for the next inning. And then all of these he realized or or was reminded or just acted a little odd when he got that funnel strikeout of we he didn't he didn't walk towards the catcher celebrate he kind of took a step left. And I was wondering if if anybody else picked up on that or that's his typical move, but a historic outing for a franchise that is going to depend so much on their pitching got got real back to back grade starts from those those guys that was that's crazy. I mean, heck they're their pitchers. We could you know, we'll get into our homerun derby conversation BUSTER, I take for basically any one of their pitchers. We used to order any one of their pitchers could be in it. Yeah. No doubt about it. I mean, he he did everything he took care of business all by himself at a time when the Mets have been struggling, and they they needed him to go deep into that game because their bullpen was kind of a mess. I kind of wondered if he was just sort of dazed from the day like this as you said, this was an outing that he needed this adding that the Mets needed, and you know. It's like a theme for a lot of what happened yesterday to me was was this was a telltale day for a particular team. That was for the Mets, I think the type of Syndergaard that they needed on that day, but also for the whole year, given the fact how top heavy that roster is and those key guys they're going to have to rely on if they're going to have success in this really in the steel cage match of the National League east. Yeah. And and the idea that anybody is holding out hope that somebody like cesspit us who everybody has already forgotten actually plays major league baseball, let alone. What team is on the like he's not coming back. So they're going to they're going to need to get production from the McNeil's of the world and JD Davis is of the world and the occasional home run from Frazier. But in the end, they're they're going to need Diaz to close games and not give up home runs, and they're going to need their starters to give them six plus innings and Syndergaard hadn't been doing that. And he, you know, he basically giving you five plus and giving a four or five runs, and you're wondering like is there is there something in there that that that's going to show itself because look last year for most of the year? He was the best pitcher on that staff. And and degrom was in that conversation for sei-yung. But we we would have conversations amongst the baseball people. If you had one game to start who would you start in a lot of times the answer was Syndergaard last year. Wimpy. It wouldn't be this year. Intil? He did what he did yesterday. And your your point is very well made, you know, there are certain things that you look at with these teams in the NFL east and say this has to happen or they will not be part of the steel cage match. They will they will be thrown off the island to use another analogy of the two thousand there. They'd be done they need Syndergaard and degrom and mats and Wheeler to pitch really well or we can eliminate them. And then you can move to the Phillies and the nationals and the other teams that are battling the Braves for supremacy in that division. They're in easy one. You know, that there's not a lot of variables that, well, if this happens, they'll be okay. I mean, that's a simple one with the New York Mets those guys after perform, and that was one of those starts where you're reminded what the potential of the team can be and then because a lot of things that that should have. Gone right over the last couple of years with the players that were hurt are going, right? Like Conforto 's hitting the trades. Have the trade has worked out pretty well. You know as long as Kono's not getting get on the wrist. He's been productive player there. There've been Gina Alon pita Lonzo off to a great start. You know, we've been an MVP. NBC? Yeah. A hundred percent, you know, they they've had a lot of things go, right? But you're right. It's got to be with that rotation. I think that's the case with the Washington nationals as well. Which is why it was a bit of a surprise yesterday when Mike Rizzo stepped out of their clubhouse and announced the reporters that they fired pitching coach Derek Lilla quiz because you don't see that sort of move made in early may. But maybe that's where the nationals are at this point where they feel like you know, that bullpen we got a lot of questions there. We've had some health issues with their everyday guys we have to have success out of this rotation. And it hasn't been as dominant as we expected. What do you make of that? Yeah. Well, I agree with it. I think that you would agree with me. And that none of these decisions like that are made in vacuum that there has to be some consultation with some of the stars on the team not to mention the manager that would that would allow Rizzo to do that. I think also it's another, you know, great reminder that the tolerance level for mediocrity. There is not it's it is hero. So if our pitching is not doing what we believe it's capable of as an organization meeting friends facing, Mike Rizzo, and then all the other people within that analytics department front office. We realized like this has to improve in order for us to be you know, a team that can compete with the others. And and and while I think sure and certainly Strasbourg have been good. There's been there's been enough parts of the equation that haven't developed or delivered. That little Quist. I it's almost as if she was your and Strasbourg there are certain givens. And we know that they're going to be okay. But we need, you know, we need the young we need. Eric Feddie to deliver weenie Joel Ross to figure this out. We gotta make Patrick Corbin comfortable of I'm not in love with the way that their bullpen has been constructed. And I think a lot of times coach scapegoat, but the margin for error doesn't exist. And I think that's my, you know, Paul men hard who's worked with some of these kids coming up in their in their careers is the change. And it's the same thing BUSTER we talked about what the Red Sox going into the season on on a shaky it up front office guys opposed to break it up. Meaning I would never bring back and entire team. I would shake it up. And this may be just the shake that the nationals need they didn't break everything up. They didn't don't everybody. They just shook it up, and I'm I'm. In favor of a shakeup versus break-up when it comes to a team. Yeah. And I'd love to know. And I don't think we'll ever know. Exactly. How much of a factor this situation played into this decision? But I'd love to know what happened with Trevor Rosenthal its impact on this decision. Because as you know, jerick Lilla Quist was formerly the pitching coach of the Saint Louis cardinals were Trevor had some of his early career successes. He went away at an injury problem came back by all accounts. He was throwing great during the course of the, you know, the off season workouts, and then this spring, and you would assume that during that process they were consulting with Derek Lilla quiz. Hey, what do you see in? Trevor what do you believe in what he thinks going to happen with them? How do you think that's going to go? And he was a total disaster. Let's face it, you know, questions about whether or not he's got some hips. And and maybe part of the nationals thinking is is look if Derek can't connect with the guy he knows then maybe that's an issue. But they they turn the page early in the season. Mike. Brazil was very complimentary of Lilla Quist in terms of him handling the news afternoon. Like a professional saying he was surprised, but he disagreed with the decision. I think it also speaks to the level of pressure on the national their coaching staff and manager Dave Martinez. We've seen that team changed managers among contending teams change managers more than any other agreed it I mean, look the dusty Baker thinks still to me as a question Mark only only because the team wants, you know, you can have philisophical differences or personality clashes. But when the team is winning and getting into the playoffs and competing for divisions that to me, that's that's never retired for a change. And I think you know, you just with the little quiz thing. And maybe what we're seeing with you know, we fall back on doing and poor. But certainly Rocco ball deli. Now what he's done Kevin cashes in that conversation. The the Eduardo Paresh theory on being a hitting coach is look you you you're you're basically short order of. Cook twenty five different players have twenty five different opinions about what they wanna do. And you've go to address each and every one of them is not a blanket that you can put on. So as prospering said, we we have as many pitching coaches as we do pitchers. We're all our own coach. I think that kind of thinking is reserved for veterans and guys that have been around a long long time. And I think this new front office analytics driven group are looking for a little more hands on approach, and I think Lewis probably got caught in a little bit of a vortex there, and they're going to need somebody to literally say two Trevor Rosenthal. He here is what works we need you to figure out how to throw this. We will help you do that. But these are the pitches we wanna throw in these counts. Because all the numbers suggest just is the pitch. And you know, you you will either get on board and execute we'll go in a different direction. I think that's part of this too. No doubt. And you can tell that from what Rizzo was saying when he was lauding men hard. And why he was promoted in this position. He kept on talking about communication in the nature of the communication, right? Carl. Speaking of pitching, I wanna talk to you about Madison Bumgarner, we touched on it a little bit yesterday with Sarah about his strong performance against the dodgers on Wednesday night. One run allowed in six innings. He generated eighteen wings against the dodgers, and Sarah sent out on Twitter that it was all of those mis wings run fastballs. It was the most that for him in any starts in September of two thousand sixteen. So a checked with Bruce Bochy yesterday the giants manager about Bumgarner. And he texted back that he through with more conviction. He believed in his fastball more and that certainly was reflected in the usage. Because in the early starts this year. Bumgarner had been thrown about thirty five to forty percent fastballs in that start the other night. He was about sixty percent. His fastball velocity was ninety one point nine miles per hour. Bow what he was. Throwing back in two thousand fifteen when he was absolutely at his prime. And I was thinking about sort of the developing feeling about him in the industry that you know, what maybe his stuff is in regression. Maybe this is a pitcher who's in regression. And and I wonder if they ought to look back at what happened with Cole hamels last year as maybe an indicator that or good precedent to look at and ask the question part of what's been going on with Bumgarner might also be because the giants have been so bad. And this is someone who's demonstrated throughout the course of his career. He's so good in high pressure moments. He's so good when there's a Drennan when the teams involved in a race when they're involved in an important game. Cole hamels had a four seven two year. Eight for the Rangers last year coral in his first twenty starts in as you know. There wasn't a lot of interest in him in the trade market. And I remember seeing him in the cubs clubhouse right after he went to Chicago in that trade. He had the biggest grin on his. Faced. He was so happy. It was like he'd been rescued from purgatory guy who pitched in the biggest gain as in baseball. And he'd won the biggest games in baseball. And he was tremendous two point three six or eight for the cubs down the stretch. Probably surprised them to the Ray that they want to picking up his option for two thousand nineteen Madison. Bumgarner is not thirty five. He's twenty nine years old. He's only I'm a yeah. I have found the contender. And I'm looking at him. I'm not like looking at Clayton Kershaw with his fastball velocity haven't dropped five miles per hour. I might be looking at a pitcher who might need to be rescued input put back into situation where he's pitching in meaningful game. So you buying it. Well, I think his competitive nature satisfies that. Yes. I also, you know, look at Bumgarner and look at the organization and bogies leaving there that there is somewhat of a changing of the guard there, and he would be one of the longest associated faces with that organization the same way Posey would beat. But because of that I wish and would love to see Bumgarner leading the giants into the next whatever the next peak is going to be I think just just kind of reading some of the quotes that that he had after his last start about feeling night and day difference and far on Zaidi getting all excited about his spin rate. And he talked about grip pressure on the baseball. Because after hurting his hand, he couldn't do that that there are sure there are a lot of signs that point to his being incredibly effective. But he's one of those guys that I looked at the name on the front of the uniform and say he he needs to be part of. The giants. Resurgence to see him wearing a whatever Braves uniform or Phillies your form. We'll take a little while for me to feel comfortable with it. He he has become so Representative of that organization. And and kinda that quiet still it, you know, I wear my boots every my lunch pail, and we're going to go, and and see you this thing out that that's the type of personality. You know to me you need when you're trying to get this thing. Right. I I need somebody who's going to put on his tool belt and go in there and just hammer for, you know, eight hours and never complain about it. Sure would Bumgarner be welcomed at any one of the teams cities and in their clubhouses that are battling for that. Yeah. But I think we all have experienced Bumgarner. And that you know, he his comfort level in the giant clubhouse his role and responsibility on that team. He's an interesting one to bring to a new clubhouse. I think he'd fit I think he'd be great. But you know, yes. And no on on your question. I gosh. I wish you could wish you could stay there and do well and that team could start doing well. And I get the reality of where they are in that division and everything, but he's not the first guy that would jump out being if we get into trade talks and think like a perfect fit perfect fit Atlanta personal fit with the cubs. He he's he's a winner. And all that. But boy, he's a giant to me in every way. Yeah. And you know, what he's a free agent year's end. And they certainly have the option of signing two in extension. They also would have the option of flipping him in the trademark it kinda like doing what the Yankees did with the role chaplain. Exactly where you flip them in the trademark, and you get a couple of prospects. And then you go after her main free agency I was looking at this yesterday. If you compare the first seven starts of is in two thousand fifteen when that was the aerobically prime Bumgarner, they're almost identical to what he's done in. His first seven starts this year. Forty three thirds innings his ex pip almost identical three point five ninety two thousand fifteen three point six three and two thousand nineteen. I think he's got a lot of mileage left in that tank Karl, no doubt, no doubt. And I think, you know, look your premise of being in a different city in on a team that scoring runs where there is a little fire. I mean that wheelhouse. I'm not denying that or suggesting. Yeah, he wouldn't be able to thrive in that. The the dude is as big a competitor is I've seriously as I think we can say we've covered over the course of our careers when it comes to big games postseason head down. What's my job? I'm going to go. Do it. And if I have to slay a dragon, I'm going to slay a dragon. You know, you can you can throw me right into game of thrones. Like we did four and he's not guy. There's not a lot not a lot of complaining. So yeah, I get the idea of different environment heat, and he would bring a ton of electricity. But again, he he is so symbolic and Representative of that that city like could you see Bruce bocce managing somewhere else or or has is he a giant, and we're kind of done here. Yeah. Buster Posey's same way. Right. I it would it would hurt him a little bit. It'd be it'd be like seeing Cal ripkin move to another team during his Backley. And so I yeah. And it might be as they say that they just flipped them in trade. And then bring it back in about Bumgarner and sign him after the season. Alright. A few more quick ones before you go. I felt like that the series the twins had against the Astros. That was a statement series to me Mark are tweeted at us will you please check. My math the twins. Magic number is one hundred and thirty one I didn't take the time to do that Karl, but I will buy into the idea that this week felt like an important series for that team. Well, isn't it funny? That all you know, I wouldn't say all of a sudden, but we've kind of been in love with Jose burritos we were with in Puerto Rico. We we kind of knew what he was capable of. And we see it come through against the Houston Astros Jonathan scope and Jason Castro both are kind of cast off from their organizations and now and now are contributing in a big way. And here we are having this conversation about a team who was picked to be competitive. But. Certainly not get off to the start. They've gotten off to taking free or four from the Astros on their way to New York with another manager who has very little if any experience as a manager. And and you know, we're we're kind of being reminded that this formula has shown itself to work in recent years with the Astros with the Red Sox with one hundred wind Yankee team and all of a sudden now here come here comes the twins, and they're beating Verlind or with Jake odor, easy. And then again today may third is the pieces of working the offense is killing the ball. Buxton hasn't really been Byron Buxton yet. Nelson. Cruz hasn't really been Nelson Cruz, but next Kepler is hitting that they were really kind of neat fun team to watch. And when you go back to the offseason, some of those acquisitions Marlin Gonzalez is one of those where you looked at. Twenty nine other teams instead who wouldn't want Marlin Gonzalez on their team cause everything he's been so important to the Astros. And it was the twins who went out to get a win Gonzales, like make sense every everything about that move make sense. So those types of things and the idea that you take three or four from a team most believe will be in the World Series, the stroz, especially after losing eleven nothing. You know, they they have the they have the forget thing going really, well, they don't they don't carry a loss with them into their next game. I think maybe they've lost back to back games once all year. So they're really they're really good at that. And not letting it get them down. And you know, what a big series? You know, I know a lot of people are focused on the cardinals it cost. But this is a serious going into New York. Even though it's depleted Yankee team, you you go Astros Yankees. And you know, let's say you win. I don't know they just took three or four they take. They take two of three. Three here. So you're going, you know, five of seven against those those teams that that'd be that'd be pretty impressive on your resume. Yeah. That would be a statement week. No doubt about it. I think you, and I would both agree. And we talked yesterday about the Indians and their quandary moving forward. A wanna get for besides set that set aside the Indians who are clearly in trouble. Give me a two thousand eighteen playoff team. That's in serious trouble in two thousand nineteen and I'll start us off. I'm going to tell you. I think the brewers are in some trouble here of five point two. Oh, ERA their games against the Rockies demonstrated this week. You know, what they're pitching on a lot of days has just not been competitive and they've gotten beaten up they certainly have dealt with a number of injuries. David Starnes done a phenomenal job running that team making the Christian yelich trade. But I kind of wonder if they went into the year believing that in the past. Yeah, we figured it out. And we'll find a way again kind of like for years Andrew Freeman. I felt like when he was head of baseball ops with raise and then he went to the dodgers. I think he. Began to believe that. Yeah, I'll find a solution. And then he would have a year or two or maybe he didn't. I think that if you were to look at team that needs a pitching Jek jecklin, whether it's a Craig kimbrel or a Dallas kaikal. I put the brewers at the top of the list because I I just don't see that group of pitchers of being able to sustain the brewers in a what is clearly a very competitive National League central. Give me a team that you feel like two thousand eighteen playoff team. That's in trouble. Well, you know, having just been up to Fenway park and seeing them play. And and look they had a they had a pretty good series. And they go to Chicago and lose on a on a walk off Homer last night. I I really I'm I'm skeptical about the Red Sox because of the Yankees when they get healthy. And because of the raise what we were Tim, and I word oh did that game BUSTER the building was incredibly flat team played and whether that was referred. Election of the Bruins and Celtics currently being in second round action in the postseason a hangover from all the success that not only the Red Sox have had. But all those teams up there. There was just a consistent flatness even in a in a game. They won. I think they want nine to five or nine to four and it felt like they had lost four to one like there. There was no joy and mud. Ville in any of it. And I'm not suggesting they can't figure that out. But but for that that night and what has been this season? There's been very little joy. And I think I would look at the way that last night's game finished where you have Ryan brazier giving up a walk off home run. And you compare it to some of the other teams and other things Minnesota Tampa Bay the Yankees for a while there where everything that went right for the Red Sox last year. If you look around the majors, those things are going right for other organizations and the things. That never went wrong for the Red Sox last year. Many of those things are going wrong this year. They're fielding has been terribly inconsistent. Denver's has made nine errors their bullpen has shown itself to be very solid at times. And yet and yet it's not like Craig kimbrel is walking through that bullpen door. Where even on the rocky nights? You still felt like that game was going to end with the Red Sox winning. Now. I think you get into the seventh eighth and ninth inning and was good. As workman has been Barnes his bid and brazier has been it's still not one of those where you feel like game over that, you know, that they're up four to forty two it's automatic. And I think all those all those factors. Go into me being a skeptical about that team that won the World Series last year getting back to the postseason this season. Given all that gimme thirty seconds on this before we finish. If you were John. Henry would you be basically calling Dave Dombrowski and say go sign Craig kimbrel on a one year deal? Bring him back for one year. Let's invest in it. Let's try to make this team better. Would you do that? I think I think your point in my answer are the same. I end the nationals who prove our tolerance level and our ability to be mediocre for a longer period of time. He's over we're going to get new pitching coach year. And if that doesn't work we'll do something else. The brewers shifts the brewers should signed Kyko in my opinion, and the Red Sox should sign Kimball. So the answer to that question is yes. And I I do think we get into me. It's time to put up or shut up. Let's make decisions let's make moves. And let's see where it goes as opposed to waiting any longer. Right raby. Thanks for doing. This always great to talk with you. Have a great weekend. So you boys, we'll be back in a moment with Jessica Mendoza. But I I wanna tell you about ZipRecruiter hiring used to be hard multiple jobs sites. Stacks of resumes, a confusing review process, but today hiring can be easy. And you only have to go to one place to get it done. Ziprecruiter dot com slash BUSTER. 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But I was thinking about this today and listening to our colleague Mathis Gershon talk about these two teams. And I thought, you know, they're in the last decade or so the first part of the last decade. The cardinals were the great team. The cubs were still in the process of rebuilding. Then starting in two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen you saw the cubs rise forward and the cardinals became this team of inconsistency year to year, a lot of mistakes, the island misfit toys guys seem to be out of place. And now in two thousand nineteen I feel like what we're going to see this weekend is two teams at two traditional rivals. Who are really good? It feels like we're getting these two teams when they're both really good. And there's something cool in that. Because we are. I mean, that's that's exciting. I know it's early in the season. But it's very clear. Lear that just from a talent level. I mean, look at the names. And of course, the cardinals adding Paul Goldschmidt. You know is one thing to credit the team. But really, it's it's been, you know, the work of my Scheldt and utilizing, you know, the the team that they have and getting more production from guys that just were really having down years Marcella Zuno being one of them that really stands out, you know, to me, but you wash this cardinals team. And it's like everything just seems to be going on all cylinders, and they have had the talent. But adding Goldie and now being able to produce an in just honestly beat up flat out beat up on teams. I mean, it's it's exciting. Because now, you're right. Like, I know as long as you know, I've been really locked in watching baseball. It's this rivalry has been something. That's kind of built up more like William and say, yeah, we're going to Louis 'cause it's you know, the rival game cards cubs. But you never really felt like these teams we're gonna be at each other's throats. And now I feel like that. What do you see in the cardinals specifically with that that line that they have? I see. I mean, honestly. And I I hate making it about one guy, but I see Paul Goldschmidt. I mean. And again, not to negate the work of Paul de young fellas. You know? I mean, I mean, there's so many guys within this lineup that are that are massively producing and have been, you know, now, consistent, you know. But what I see is Paul Goldschmidt. Just the presence that he has influence and BUSTER you've gotten to know him over the years with the Diamondbacks. I mean, he's not some raw guy. But you watch him just even within you know, the team just watching him his presence in the batter's box. And the way he plays the game. There's so many different kinds of leaders Paul Goldschmidt to me is number one in baseball leading. By example. I don't think there is a better player out there that the way he runs the basis the way that he even goes about his defense the way that he takes pitches and has a professional that almost. Every single time. He picks up the bat is number one. No one is better in baseball in leading team by the way that he plays the game. And I really feel like that is why you're seeing reduction of this team offense. But also, just the chemistry and flow. And I know Mike Schultz getting a lot of credit for that as he should. I also give a ton of credit to Paul Goldschmidt. No one player. You've been watching off to good star for the cubs as your David Bodey. Oh my gosh. I mean, we got to see his I mean, I would probably go down as one of the biggest moments of his life and his career still so young. So there's so much more. But it's walk off home run that he had in Chicago last year that we were able to call on Sunday night baseball. I mean that that was kind of is. Wow. Who's David Bodey here? He is. But big moment. But, you know, then he kind of goes back behind the scenes because there are so many names Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo and heavier bias Kaos Forber in this lineup. And David Bodey has has been really that consistent like to me star. If you're in Chicago and you're like really rallying behind one player from game. One in two thousand nineteen David Bodey, Chris Brian Anthony Rizzo and casual raw got up to really slow starts and not the body has been perfect. But he's so when you can rely on defensive Lee has been really consistent, and you watch his bat in the way that he's able to hit to all fields and just. There's something about his energy BUSTER, and I know, you know, you and I both spent time talking to them. I mean, he's like that little kid. It's just loves in a freesheets the game. And that comes out when he watch him play. Yeah. There's something Peja Roya bregman like about David Bowie. Would you agree? Oh, gosh. Oh, look an all out just like like that grin on his face. Like, he knows something that we don't. And what he knows is like what's going to happen in that game that he's going to bring it's like he just can't wait to get out there. And and I get it the monotony of a hundred and sixty two games with hear about it all the time. And there I love being around him. Because it even reminds me of just like I wanna grab a glove and play. I mean, he's seriously. It's like he feels so lucky that he has the opportunity to play the game of baseball hope that never leaves him because I know he's still young in his career. And he, but he's still walks around. It doesn't matter how well he's doing or how he's really solidified his spot now on this team. He doesn't take the grain for granted. No, I didn't plan on asking you about this. But since his name came up, Alex bregman, I want to tell your side of that story where on Saturday morning in preparation for a piece that ran on Sunday night baseball in Houston last week, you wrote to the park with Alex and a first and foremost on his mind was that unusual video that tripper power set out that piece of social media. You just tell that story. I thought that was funny. The first thing, you know, he comes down a little lane tired. You know tired just FYI eleven in the morning to get their schedules. Crazy, it's like a whole different thing. And so he's coming down. And I'm like, I can tell even a mood. Right. I know Alex well enough that I thought he was just weepy. And I'm like you. Okay. Because I mean, he was like, you know, they're trying to put a mic on him. And he's just like not having it. He's like what are we doing? I'm like, so, you know, when we do an interview required as microphones like, you know, kind of reminding them like this is how you know, we talked about this. And and then finally you just pulled his phone out. This is before what we even did on camera in the car, and he's pulled his phone out. He's like did you see the Bauer thing? I'm like, you know, I heard about it. But I hadn't actually seen it at that point. And he just shook his head. I could tell that had put him in this like mood and he had a grin on his face. It wasn't like he was like totally pissed off. But it definitely he was distracted by this thing. So we get in the car and we're talking about. Game prep, and you know, all this stuff. And this is what I love about. Honestly being in a car BUSTER going to the field with someone is then we had to pull over because it was some audio issues. So he takes that moment to be like, okay. I wanna show you what? So you at Trevor sent. And I'm like thrown because I'm like, wait. We already talked about this. But clearly it was still bothering him. We weren't even talking about it. And he's like I want to show you I want you to see this, Jeff. And I want you to give me your reaction. And you know, then I'm like what like, you know. 'cause he's see it just it's so Trevor Bauer and your description of unusual is like one of the best descriptions, you can have of of Trevor and honestly that that Instagram posts, but you know, that the bobble head nodding up and down. Did I nominate you and it's out bregman bottle had going? Yes, you know. And then that's when Alex went right into just you know what? Yeah. Dominated me at seven pitch walking. I mean, just the competitor. Right. Like, you didn't dominate me. And like, yeah. Domination april. It was awesome. Like, and that's what I love about the game in a lot. Bantering maybe doesn't happen as much on the field as it did ten twenty years ago. It's happening through social media because that's how these players do things. So you know, that's what I wanted to ask you about it, the more that I process that and sort of his reaction to it. I said, you know, what this is a guy. I was getting ready for that day's game as a competitive person like this is his fuel most of us eat oatmeal or something like that in the morning to get ourselves ready for Alex bregman, the competitive player that dropped in at a nice time. He's been ready for that day's game. My my honest there. Yeah. No. And that's why I want to do more of these. Because honestly, it really gave me insight, and hopefully the cameras that we're able to capture it the viewers insight of what a player like one of the top players in the game right now. They're preparation like there. It's not just like talking about going through the pitcher that he's gonna face. But really just you're right. Like, he was clearly like fueled by this post and and want he kept looking at it. And he's you know, he's driving like we're doing an interview. And he just kept looking. It on his phone to the point where he had to bring it up again knowing that he was Mike knowing that were cameras knowingly had already talked about it. That's that's what I love about it. It's like even though I had all these questions prepped. He ultimately, I just want to know where your mind is. We're going it gained it. What are you thinking about? We'll game day. He's thinking about Trevor Bauer and a post that was made. But really it's off in a in a laughable way that where he was like, you know. Hey, did you see my response, and you know, all of that? Yeah. It's a long season. And they use some of this to get through to more for you one. Jason heyward. I it's it's it's always going to be a battle for him. The idea of hitting you know, he cut it reminds me a little bit. And I'm not it all comparing the two players in terms of what they -ccomplish, but I always thought in covering Cal Ripken hitting was not an easy thing for him. It was a constant work in progress. He was constantly tinkering. He was constantly making adjustments. He was constantly trying to find some swing or some setup that would make him comfortable. And that's what Jason Hayward's career has been all about where do you see him? Now. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I see one of the most athletic players in the game. And I feel like his swing especially in a cubs uniform has been very 'end-of-life a lot of times, and it's this this dichotomy where you have. So when you watch play the outfield, you watch him on the basis, you just watch him move. Right. And and I it's just it's so smooth, and it's so strong. And it's so quick you want in swing a bat. And it's like his body is always gotten in the way of his natural abilities. And you know, every hitting coach that he's had has has tried to work with him and try to make adjustments. And you know, I I remember sitting there with Eric Hysky who's assistant hitting coach a few years ago, and then even chili Davis and watching them, I mean obsess over it. Because here you have this great athlete, and you know, he can crush ballsy watch him and BP. How do we get? His body to not get in the way. And that's honestly BUSTER is simple as it is. It's not like he has perfect mechanics right now. It's that he's just getting himself into position where his body doesn't get in the way of what he can naturally do. And it's been it's been cool to watch. Because he's a great guy a hard worker, and I hope he's able to carry it through the rest of the season. And lastly, I'm sure that we'll be talking about a player who's not even going to be in Chicago this weekend Addison, Russell who of course, just finished up a suspension for domestic violence. Well under under baseball's domestic violence policy. I talked early in the week how the more that. I think about it. And I don't mean to be specific about Addison's case because I think there are a lot of things that we don't know. There are a lot of specifics that haven't been totally clear that the communication between the two sides. But big picture as the more that I think about this whole question of whether or not you have players on your organization who've been suspended under the domestic violence policy. My feelings these front offices are so smart. Why don't they have the confidence that they'll be able to find a way to win without adding players who are facing these situations. What you're taking Addison Russell with the cubs. Absolutely. I mean it's frustrating because I feel like it gets forgotten BUSTER. And I mean, we just had you know. Doing last week with Astros. And even though he didn't come in. You know in our game. It it. It's something that like is completely forgotten. I mean, you take this even seven months ago, and this was I know for you. And I especially when we were coming in Houston. I mean, I had a lot of questions for AG hint hint at a lot of questions for Jeff Luneau. And like how are you allowing this to be someone that you're going to be able to acquire from Toronto put him into your team? And just be like, yeah, we're gonna forgive and forget, and he's working on it. And he's trying to be a better person. What message does that send? And you know, we've seen it now, especially now that the domestic policy domestic violence policy is so newest MLB is that teams are trying to figure out how they handle it even separate from how you know, the league is handling it. I just hate that. Then the day, and I don't wanna soon this. But I just feel like it comes down to winning and where the morals like where are the these are young boys and girls that are watching these games. And what are you teaching as far as you know, what a consequence is for your actions. And I understand that Addison Russell's he's going to therapy. He's on you know, trying to be a better person trying and I I love that. But I think they're also just needs to be a bigger conversation in and around how these guys are brought back in and then openly forgotten of everything that they did. Which to me is the worst part about it. What do you think of the cubs perspective on this? And we we read it from CO. Epstein from the cubs. We talked about in the conference call today. Their feeling is look the supplier who went through this while he was in our organization, we have a responsibility to try to help to make the situation better moving forward for his. Child four Addison in terms of helping him as a person. What do you think of that? I mean, my heart wants to believe that you know, I want to believe that that is their goal. You know, and I hope that it is like I hope that it isn't the fact that heavier bias is there shortstop, and if he goes down, they really don't have another shortstop David Bodey is the next in line who had limited time there, and they will need if you're by. If there is an injury. They will need us in Russell. And I hope that that's not at the forefront of what they're trying to do that. It's more about helping out of Russell his family his child all everything that they're saying my heart wants to believe that I just feel like cross the board when these things have happened. It's come down more about winning games. And what's going allow you to win games and pushing aside with morally, right? Right. Yes. I will see Wrigley on Saturday. He in Chicago. We'll be back in a moment with chase only. But I I want to tell you about seek the ticket industry hasn't changed in a long time. 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And as you know over the last decade analytics is coming into the sport and of curious because you played against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays when they started to put that stuff in place. How your your perspective was on? Analytics is I came into the game. When I came in the game, I wasn't really privy to to all the information. So I wasn't quite sure what all the all that meant going over the dodgers. Obviously, very heavy analytical background. I learned a lot actually the last few years. I see the advantages now of using it. Whereas before I was probably a little hard headed and old school thought that it was not necessarily. But now that I've seen it actually work on a day-to-day basis. They're definitely some to it. What tell me, for example. What you remember the first time he saw team aggressively used defensive shifts. Yeah. We we've shifted a little bit. When I was in Philadelphia. But it wasn't something we really focused on. I I recall playing some like Barry Bonds type guy I was playing him in short right field one because I didn't want to really get too close to him because he hit the ball so hard to you wanna take out takeaways many hits as possible. So we were doing a little bit of shifting. But it wasn't as heavily wasn't as as focused in on as it is now, whereas there's to the to the actual like foot, you, you know, where to position guy to give yourself the best chance to to make an out. And it's it works believe it or not it works over the course of the year. Obviously, there's some balls at squeak through holes occasionally, the pitchers don't like, but over the course of the long long-haul the works in your favor. So how much did you? How did you go about that process? When you went to the dodgers was something you sort of reluctant at that point of view when he went to the dodgers where you open minded about. Today. You know, what's this about? Yeah. I was completely minded it was fascinating to me to go to new organization that had just different way of processing information. So I was definitely open minded to it. I was there to win. Whatever gave us the best chance to win. I was all for it. It didn't take me a whole lot very long to to buy into because right off the bat. The information is right there in front of. And it seemed like just being in the dodger clubhouse the last couple years in watching you and your interaction. It seemed like there were times when you would bring stuff too young players. I'd see you sitting at a computer screen, for example with young players looking at different things. Did you do more and more that is you got towards the end of your career? I did definitely both right? I was more of a less less time on the field. If you will early in my career, I was the most part out there on a daily basis, but the last couple of years I was role player and platoon player. But I wanted again L goes back to winning. So I wanted to kind of give back and try to figure out ways to win and help other guys. So I try to you know, give as much knowledge, or at least what I thought was the right knowledge to to the younger guys to help them succeed not only for that game. But throughout the course of the season, and maybe build something a routine that helps them throughout their career. So we're talking with chase leaves? You're representing these Scots field refurbishment program. Which is renovating youth baseball and softball fields in the US. So you're one of those guys who I feel like you could basically do anything he wanted to in. Now that you're playing Kerr's over you could work in front office knowing the respect that a lot of the front office staffers have for you. You could be field staff. It could be a coach she could be manager. You probably could do a lot of stuff out of baseball to sit here today. What do you think which direction? Do you want to go? I'm going to do a little bit of of everything I'm working for the dodgers in special advisory role right now living in Los Angeles. It makes it really easy. One thing. I told myself and my wife after baseball's over I wanted to kind of slow down the traveling as you know, the the the season is a long season. There's a ton of traveling. You're away from home. You're you're in and out of hotel rooms in and out of luggage, which gets little old at times, especially when you have two young boys at home. So I wanted to eliminate traveling and just kind of set up shop at home wake up with my boys. Take them to school pick him up from school. And just, you know, have that have that time that I haven't had over the past few years with them. So dodgers said listen, you we love to have you in any capacity want come in when you feel like you need to. So, you know, the teams at home I'll go in and and help troubleshoot different things there started off pretty hot. So I haven't really done a whole lot yet. But as the season goes along there's always stuff that comes up subduing that I'm going to do a little pregame postgame analyst work. I'm not quite sure I might have to bounce. You questions off you after we get done talking to see how that's out to figure that out. But I'm excited. I wanna do a little bit of everything. But one thing I do not want to do is travel. A lot. So what's been like so far being home in the mornings? That's been great most morning. Some mornings are a little bit of a battle. But most opponents are are great make waking up with boys making them breakfast. Hopefully, I make the correct breakfast that morning, and you know, taking them to school something that I really missed out on you know, when you're playing seven o'clock game, you're done at ten ten thirty your home by eleven thirty twelve you're not asleep till one to wake up at six on a daily basis after going to bed at one isn't conducive to be very successful as an athlete. So I missed out on that that time and I'm excited to participate in a little bit more. Now does the idea of possibly managing someday? Intrigue Goodall because I've worked with guys like Alex Cora Aaron Boone over time. They got more interested in that. They've actually wanted to pursuing it. You know, what time will tell as of now? No, it doesn't. I it's I don't really have much interest in that. Because of the. Amount of time. I would have to put into it. The amount of time. It would take me away from my family, which I want to spend more time with so as of now. No, that's not something that I'm looking forward to doing. But like, I said time will tell maybe that will change at some point. All right. Give me the best story anecdote that you would tell a friend about Clayton Kershaw a future hall of Famer who's been a teammate ears in recent seasons. Is is one of the best. He he reminds me a lot of ROY halladay really had amazing work ethic, and it showed when he pitched in same with Clayton Kershaw is someone that's grinding every single day. There's no days where it looks like he's sitting he's relaxing. He's always either is in the weight room trying to get stronger for trying to create more flexibility or is in the video room scouting hitters trying to put a game plan together for a start and dig aims or any day. He pitches, you kinda stay clear of Clayton Kershaw. You don't wanna look at them. You just kind of you don't wanna bump into them. You don't want to sit on the same table that that he gravitates towards you just kind of stick keep your distance. Let him do his thing. And all we'll be right. And as you've seen over the years, he's pretty special. So did you ever accidentally violate that? Yes. I know I have. And I got in trouble. Yes. I have a certain training room table that piece. It's on every time. I didn't know this coming over to the dodgers. I had no idea. And at one day, I was just sitting down talking to one of the trainers. And he looked at his watch and said you need to get up immediately. As why I don't understand. Why do I need to get up? Let's Clayton spot. I'm like, really know. And sure enough within like to the second. He walks in the door looked me in my eyes and gave me like this death stare like how dare you sit on my table. And I got up walked out of the room and didn't say a word. We joke about it afterwards. But in the moment, you just don't say a word. And last one for he would he be seen and Cody Bellinger this year. It seems like I doubt just on on a conversation. They had with him early on. He really came into this year on a mission to to make the judgments he felt like he needed to make. I think you hit the nail on the head. He's definitely made some some adjustments. I think we all know the type of talent he has not only on offensive. But defensively he's the fastest guy on the dodgers. He plays. It amazing outfield. Great army can do it. He can do it all we're all seeing. But from an offensive standpoint, he just looks more comfortable and confident in the batter's box. I think having that amazing rookie season can be difficult to to try to to do over. And he I think last year he learned a lot about himself. He learned about some things that he does. Well, and some things that he does not doesn't do so. Well, and and he was able to this off scene to kind of hone in on those those those things and is I mean you seen him lately. It's pretty amazing his about quality just. The quality contact the comfort like he just feels like he reminds me a little bit. Just watching him hit like Barry Bonds type like calm cool in the box. Doesn't get a whole lot of strikes, but has good takes. He's pretty special watcher now, and he's twenty four years old, which is amazing. And a lot of years ahead of chases. I mentioned you here for Scots what he got their partner. With Scott's in major league baseball for this field refurbishment program. And it's it's pretty exciting. I've talked about having two young boys and grew up playing at a great baseball facility at a young age as well as most of my friends, and I I want that same experience for my for my kids. So party was Scott's the fact that they've given away for granted this year twenty over the past four years to fix these fields that that that just need a little love. I think it's important for kids to be outside and active and limit their their screen time. If you will and I'm clearly biased being a baseball player. But baseball's my mind, the greatest sport in the world so to have beautiful fields fields if parents feel comfortable going to they're in good shape that are you can smell the grass is that whole baseball or is amazing for youth and and to mow baseball. So I'm just proud to be a part of this. Chase. Thanks for doing this. Thanks, guys. Another good is full of surprises. Some sweet some heartwarming than some simply unforgettable. This mother's day surprise mom with a gift to delicious to forget locally crafted fresh fruit distant indulgent chocolate from edible arrangements. Whether it's a new mother, a grandmother or any moment in between. Everyone can share in the celebration with edible to give the moms in your life. The surprise they deserve. Visit your local edible store today or place in order online at edible dot com. Bleacher tweets, close out the week in style. Here BUSTER, we got this one. It's a good one from Bill Walton at Dr underscore voice. Ter- the hall of Famer Walton I really enjoy the podcast says Bill as a longtime Yankee fan. I was wondering if you could explain why they haven't picked up Dallas kaikal, he seems like the type of lefty that would do well at the stadium one. I think is contract to this point have been a lot higher than maybe what they are comfortable with as we know the the last offer that he got from the Houston Astros one year for fifteen million dollars in two for twenty four that was the beginning of March. And here's the other factor too. And that's why I've said on a podcast before if I were friend of Dallas kaikal, I'd say dude, you gotta sign as soon as you can because there is growing skepticism as season goes along about a how quickly he's gonna help and be effective. He's going to be when he actually joins a team. And I think the Yankees are probably in the same boat of a lot of teams wondering that even if they signed Dallas kaikal if in fact would be the kind of help that they invision Meg oh at Meg oh seven wants to know at what point to Indians fans. Start getting legitimately concerned about the lack of production from their hitters most. Notably Jose Ramirez struggles along with window for it's interesting up. Meg specifically, they're not concerned. I mean Lindores is barely came back a week ago. So he's got more time to get back into shape and get into the game condition and with Jose Ramirez. These a long history of starting slowly, and then picking it up really well, but here's the issue. And the reason why it is legitimate concern because they don't have a lot of margin for air like they need those two guys to hit right away. Absolutely Rena is at Reno banana. Of course, says we've discussed Aaron Boone being crowned manager of the year of the Yankees continue their current momentum with the b squad. But if the tw-. Twins win the AL central would Rocco ball deli potentially be a more viable candidate. Josh. I'm kinda tired of Rena just making too much sense. You know, we have to consider a suspension. Yeah. Thanks for being weighed to affect. That's you're absolutely right Rena. If the twins win the division than Rocco Bodell. He's gonna be manager of the year in the American League. I think you could put that in stone. Absolutely. Put that in stone and put it in Rocco's native Rhode Island. Todd. Alec Pratt closes out at Todd Pratt. Seven BUSTER Bryce Harper gets the attention of the best player in the majors not named Mike trout. But is he even the best player on his team right now? Will they be the best over the next few seasons? In other words, when does Reese Hoskins surpass Harper. Or is he already done it? That's a really interesting question. First up with all due respect. I don't think that people talk about Harper being the second best player in baseball. I think guys like Mukhi bets get a lot more attention. But you point is we'll take him for a player who's in year one of thirteen three hundred and thirty million dollar deal. There are other important players on that team. I would say that probably if you pull the valuate as my guess is is that the number one player taken off that roster would be Nola in the number two guy would be Bryce Harper. And then we saw skins probably be what three or four or five. Sure JT rail Mutoko certainly would be in that mix as well hundred percent. Good questions this week. Make sure you keep them coming next week and all season long. Use the hashtag Bleacher tweets, that's it for today. My thanks to chase utley to. Jessica Mendoza to Carl ravage the Rabbie train to Josh macrey who produces podcast every day. Have a great weekend. 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"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef baseball. There is the wolf book. And then there are also the so called unwritten rules of the game. They were very much at issue last week when a brawl was sparked in a game between the royals and the White Sox after the royals took issue with Tim Anderson's bat, flip when the White Sox slugger hit a home run. He was then plunked in his next at bat. That's sparked not only the brawl, but also conversation about what is the kind of comportment that teams will tolerate on the field. What kind of behavior will opponents tolerate in terms of celebrations? This is an old conversation baseball. But it's also a new conversation and is the subject to at least some degree of a new book by Danny nobler who joins us. Now. Danny thank you for being with us. No problem. Germany. Thanks for having me your. Absolutely, right. It is a topic a never ending topic. A in the book is titled unwritten that flips the fun police in baseball's new future. What were you thinking? When you saw the White Sox and the royals go at it last week. I was thinking say q. What better way to promote a book about the unwritten rules, then they have two teams out there because the guy flipped his bad after hitting a nice press. Right. Right. And the other teams didn't like it. But no, I was thinking this shows a lot on how will you unwritten rules have developed and what it means in the modern game. Because and the reason I say that if you go back ten years, and and Tim Anderson foot does bat like that. Nobody would have been surprised when he got hit by a pitch the next time up, and he wouldn't have been surprised. And in fact, he might have just said, okay. You know, what that's the way it is. And I'm gonna go walk down to first base. Take my face and accept that. As way it is in today's game. There's more of an acceptance that you can flip your bat, you can show emotion on the field and many people. Especially after it was very interesting. Some of the reactions from players around the game not just fans players around the game. And not just position players that just hitters but pitchers to not all of them. Probably Tim Anderson said, but some of them very vocally said, I don't have a problem if you flip your bat like that. And I know a mere Garrett of the reds put on Twitter. I dunno problem. Like you celebrate. However, you want just know that when I strike you out I'm going to celebrate to Danny nobler about baseball's unwritten rules. His new book is unwritten backflips, the fun police and baseball's new future. And it's one of these things we're talking about this on the air last week in the wake of the Tim Anderson episode in spin wherever you want to characterize it. You know, there is this evolving culture in baseball about what is acceptable. What is unacceptable, but it seems like, you know, different players, obviously have different attitude. Toward it. You know, I'm forty nine. I grew up when pitchers like, Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson and even earlier wind from an earlier early wind from an earlier generation were celebrated for going after whoever crowded the plate. Whoever showed them up. You'll at what point are we now in the transition away from celebrating those kinds of pitchers I think has been a big Vall ever Lucien from there because I think one thing not just that those pitchers throw inside and maybe hit you. If you were crowding the plate a lot of those pitchers with throw at you. If you just gotta hit off them you hit a home run off. You know, hardline drive off them. They were gonna make sure that you felt that the next time now part of that is actually understandable. If everyone says, why would you hit a guy for having success, and I would never be in favor of that. However, a lot of pitching successful pitching is about making the hitter uncomfortable. Now, you make him uncomfortable in various ways, you make them comfortable with the ball that moves that looks like a strike that isn't you make comfortable changing velocity going in with with a. Change up and then coming back with a fastball things like that. But part of making him on uncomfortable is also making him understand that he has to pay attention to both sides of the plate. Now that doesn't mean in today's game that it's acceptable to throw at someone especially not to throw it someone near the head, which in earlier generation might have been more acceptable. In today's game. I think there's almost universal belief in in the game that that's not acceptable among pitchers and hitters, but there's still a question about whether it's okay to retaliate either for a pitcher on the other team throwing at your headers or for somebody celebrating in a way that you don't appreciate and that is still very much under discussion, and you get very different answers. I talked to a lot of pitchers hitters managers scouts. Coaches around the game. And there I I wouldn't say there's yet a general consensus on whether it's okay to throw it somebody either in retaliation or. For violations or believe violations of the unwritten rules. We're speaking with Danny nobler, the longtime baseball writer, he's now with Bleacher report, formerly with CBS sports dot com is new book is unwritten backflips, the fun police in baseball's new future a timely book to say, the least discussing an issue though that we've been talking about for generations when I was growing up. You know, the guys who celebrated were hot dogs, and they could expect to get plunked to get themselves into fights on the base paths that cetera et cetera. Now the rules are evolving. How much of the evolution though, has to do with the fact that you know, we're now almost half a century into the D H era, and we're almost were more than twenty years into the interleague Eero, which means that, you know, not all the time are pitchers coming up to the plate. Even if they're in the National League in the fact that you know, there was this built in mechanism proposed. Baseball history, where if the pitcher did something he was going to have to face the music to that's not the case anymore. No. It's not an effect. Even in the National League. You don't see if if somebody is mad about a pitcher throwing it a hitter it used to be you're right that they would wait for that pitcher to come up and throw it him even in the National League PO partly because pitchers don't stand the game as long that's less likely to happen. And what's more likely? If you throw it my big hitter, Mike guy in the middle of the line. I'm going to throw at your big hitter in the middle of lineup. That's the team that believes retaliation is. So I don't think I think the star when the D H rule came in. That was a significant issue. I think now it's not as much mainly because that's not as much part of the game. Any that's one of the unwritten rules. That's actually kind of changed a little bit that you don't. Tend to retaliate by throwing out the pitcher any one of the things that I you know, doesn't get brought into the discussion as much as perhaps it should be is the pressure that pitchers feel to retaliate on behalf of their teammates to maintain credibility with their teammates in the clubhouse. And how important that is? And it's not something. It's not a situation they've created. And and for a long time. Of course, you know, a pitcher might not want to be in that situation. He might not be eager about going out there doing this. But felt an obligation to do. So I mean, we had this conversation a few years ago with Noah, Syndergaard, and the Kansas City Royals and the chase utley stuff at all that. And he seemed for his part to be eager to be in that position to show everybody that he was willing to stand up for his team. But other guys don't want to. How do the pitchers feel about this? Well, I think in general pitchers understand that they're part of a team. And if the team believes that someone needs to either get hit, or at least kinda get knocked down that they're willing to do it. If they believe in the reason for doing it. Now, the one thing that you get you get tensions about you get tensions when hitters don't think. Their pitchers are protecting. But you also get tensions if a hitter thinks that he's getting hit because his pitcher through it someone with no reason, for example, as I said in the old days if Nolan Ryan if you hit a ball heart up on right? He might throw it. Now. In today's game. If a pitcher does that if a pitcher simply let's say a pitcher gives up back to back home runs and then throws at the next hitter. People will think no question that. That's the reason he did. Now if the other team retaliates by throwing at one of their hitters one of now a lot of times you'll see now that the hitter on that team Walsall much be mad at the pitcher threw out. I'm hoping that it does own pitcher because he believes that without justification. He brought that on the he did that only for his own ego. Not for being part of a team. But you're right. It's a it's a very interesting question. Now, what else it was happened in some circumstances is if for example, the air is on Diamondbacks toy Lavelle before last season when he took over there in Arizona. He made a point of saying to his pitchers. I don't believe in throwing it hitters, and even when obviously last year, Paul Goldschmidt was there big hitter. But Goldsmith got it a few times. He didn't want his pitchers to retire. Alliot and that takes away from the pitcher because the manager is set. That's not how we do things here. And it's it's a it's an evolving thing. But it's actually not all knew Earl Weaver actually believe the same thing when he managed the Orioles for all those years. Earl Weaver did not like is pitchers retaliating mainly because he thought that if somebody ended up getting hurt the Orioles, we're going to be at a worst part because they had the better players, and he didn't wanna lose his good Briers. If we're an injury that he thought was was avoidable. See with Danny no bird, the longtime baseball writer about his new book unwritten backflips, the fund police in baseball's new future before we let you go. Daddy. We could talk about this all day long. And there's a lot in the book as well about a culture clashes. And we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that you're right about that as well. Different perspectives in Latin American baseball. And in North American US baseball about about celebrations and so forth. But you know, I what are those unwritten rules is you know, when you've got a six run seven run lead in the eighth inning. You're not stealing United steal a basis or you're not laying down Bunce. And I always thought that Whitey Herzog. Who was of course, when most successful managers in baseball history in one a lot of one run games and won a lot of games by generating runs based base. He said I'll tell my guys stop trying when you tell your guys to stop trying. And that always made sense to me. But there's still this feeling like that. You can't play baseball that way. If you've got a lead, even though the other guys supposed to do everything he can to get back into the game. I don't get it. There's another alum at that's come in within the last couple of years last few years because of the chefs and people say, well, you you you you shouldn't Ron you shouldn't take extra-base you shouldn't run for a hit. When you have a big lead. And the other side of it is well, why are you shifting against me? Then why are you trying to take that away? I if you just wanna play out the game. Let's play off the game. Don't don't do that. I I understand that. I understand exactly what why he was saying. And I understand what you're saying. I will say this though, most of the unwritten rules come down to an interpretation of a single word, and that word is respect people in baseball talk all the time about respecting. The opposition respecting your team respecting the game and respecting the uniform. And there is a sense that when a game is over and over meeting wa- so one sided that say you're talking about being position player into pitch or something like that that it's not showing respect if you're taking extra bases. Even to the extent. I I quote wants Sam well when he was coaching third base for the Phillies said that, you know, one sided game he wasn't going to send a runner home, unless it was just clear that he was going to score which serve two purposes. One it didn't show up the opponent. But to you don't want to risk an injury in a one sided game. So you're not gonna go send them if there's gonna be a play at the plate now with the rules of the plate of changes, less likely. There's an injury in a collision, but still there's always some possibilities. Is there and that is that is something that has been a game. Now, there is not a general agreement on how one side of the game has to be before you shut the things like that down. But I think there is still a general agreement that at some point in a game, you if you steal a base with two big lead. There's gonna be consequences of some kind of any new book. Unwritten that's lips the fun police in baseball's new future. An important addition to any baseball fans, libraries, especially with the events of the last couple of weeks. Danny thank you so much for joining us here in the sporting life. No, prom jeremiad. I love talking about this subject, and thanks so much for having me, I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN.

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Jeff Passan, ESPN Baseball Journalist & Best Selling Author

The Twelve Six Podcast

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Jeff Passan, ESPN Baseball Journalist & Best Selling Author

"Guys. Welcome back to the twelve six podcast. I'm your host columnists, Hugh. Thanks again for all your feedback and reviews, I read all of them, and I try to make adjustments based on what you guys say. Here's a recent review from one of our subscribers. I was worried this would be a very self serious and heavy baseball talk podcast, thankfully, though, it's a healthy mix of the business aspect and clubhouse culture surrounding a major league player and teammates. Plus baseball topics of the day from a player's perspective. It's a really enjoyable podcast and one that I highly recommend anyone having withdrawal symptoms from the long offseason. While the off season is over we're here in West Palm Beach for spring training. And today's conversation is hopefully my first of many down here. Our guest today is ESPN baseball, sports writer and New York Times bestselling author Jeff passan, he wrote a book called the arm which I read two years ago and cannot highly recommend enough for any. Who's a baseball fan? He's also been on the front lines of free agent discussions this off season. And recently broke the news of Maine Machado's deal with India ago. We talk about the state of the game today are super awkward first meeting and Jeff's deepest, darkest secret. If you like the podcast, be sure to subscribe. So that you're always up to date when new episodes go live. So without further ado, I hope you enjoyed today's conversation with Jeff passan. Jeff, thanks for being on the podcast, man. I appreciate you coming here. You're the first writer I've had on here. So congratulations. Congratulations to you for slumming. Like you had all stars. You've had potential hall of famers. You had the pitching engine. And now me yet your Syracuse grad, and that means that you automatically come with this built in this like baked in credential for sports writing. And I don't know. I don't know what it is about Syracuse. But every great writer reporter sportscenter anchor y'all to Syracuse right pretty much. How is that happen? What is what is it in the water up there? It's nothing in the water. It's this chip that they take an implant in you. I I'm telling you man, just link it that delete this podcast. This never happened. I never said anything fight club is not real rule them. Or what about Syracuse never talk about the chips? But you the first the first time, I met you. It was after I read your book the arm, which by the way, congratulations. Thank you. I'm so glad you brought this up because I'm gonna tell you something that tell the story, but I'm gonna tell you something afterward that I'm going to blush considerably. It's a shameful moment. But go ahead. Okay. I met you in Boston. We might have cross paths before. But as I felt like does after I read your book the arm which near times bestseller. Probably one of the one of the better and more well-known. Baseball books have been written in the past decade. I liked to read I don't read a ton. So the fact that I made it all the way through your book as kudos to you. But I'm super interested in how writing a book comes about like if you go from sports writing or from sports reporting into basically novel, what is that process like, but we can go back to our first first meeting if you onto I I will get to all that. Because. I love talking about that stuff. So this is after you guys clinch the pennant right leaf. Yeah. Balkan game for. Yup. There is champagne everywhere in. Everyone's got this smile on their face. And everyone's wearing the same t-shirt. Right. Always. Yeah. Yeah. Because everyone you're handed a t shirt or the two shirt exactly give me the t shirt. I don't believe you were wearing goggles. I probably had them around my neck or my head because every time this is this is the plight of the the successful every time we have champagne shower. I forget to put the goggles on earning mmediately get crushing the face with with abolishing pain. Not like in the face with the bottle, but some sprays at right, my eyes and just long enough for me to realize I don't have goggles on then I put them on. And then there's fogs up. So you take them off. And you just have to deal with it. Yeah. I I have my own champagne shower story. But I feel like I'm getting like the inception of stories here where we're like two levels down. So I'm going to finish this one for come back up. Yeah. So up walks. To me, Colin, and he shakes my hand. And he's like you Jeff passan. I said, yeah, it's like I just wanted to. Thank you for writing the arm. I read it. I really enjoyed it. I felt like I learned stuff from it. I appreciate you doing that in here. I am like thinking in the middle of this guy's like greatest moment. He has has the kindness and compassion come up to me and tell me that he likes something. I did that I'm serious. I was like that is the coolest thing ever. Then I walked up to Kevin Goldstein. And I said who the fuck was that? Dude. I'm so sorry there. I was just about to say I wasn't even on the roster that that series. So I was basically in the background cheering yell. Can I can I be honest. I was like is this is what this podcast is all about this is like a like handsome. Well, put together guy. I I really thought you were an analyst what it's not the first time. I've been confused for an analyst. I have held this. Shame for for two years. How we're getting it all out here. This is therapy guys. That's what this podcast is for. That's amazing. It's my favorite when I go on the street. And like somehow the fact that I'm in the baseball world comes up, I try and put it off for as long as possible to tell people to actually play baseball, of course, and had them. Guess what role? I play in the baseball world baseball players at least seven or eight on the list. What's what's at the forefront anal-? Yeah. Like data analyst coach. Somebody somebody asked me if I was grounds crew person that it was because the shirt, I was wearing a shirt that hole in it. And it was a one hundred percent blaming the shirt and not the body that I was given by God, of course. Yeah. I don't come off as the as your typical athlete. So. Yeah, everybody everybody in. There's word same shirt world wearing goggles some of us around our necks of us runner is. So I don't blame you for it. And I'm glad you got off your chest. Listen, I'm the best policy man when you things in eats away at your heart. And every time I've seen you since we've always had like enjoyable conversations. I you're you are one of those players about whom I can talk anything whether it's the game or music or pop culture or labor economics anything, and those are my favorite kinds of players good. But this has been like my deep dark secret. And the fact that I've been able to let it out. I feel really good about that. Good guys. Welcome to. To therapy with Jeff in Colin. It's amazing. You can't see this. But I'm actually laying on a couch right now. And it's really uncomfortable. Yeah. He's backwards. I can't see me and I'm taking notes. Jeff. Let's jump into jump back into your book for a second. It was really great read. I thought it was I thought it was fun. Those really informative like I told you before it was one of those baseball books that if you joy baseball. And if you care anything about the kind of the nuance about about it chances are you're probably interested in health and pitchers careers and longevity has always been I don't know kind of like this mythology around it for so long. So how did the book about how long did you take to write all the all the stuff around it? So this goes back to two thousand twelve and my you have a newborn, and you know, what it's like to be in the throes of parenthood when you have a young child like it's almost this descent into madness. And and every day, you're fighting fatigue and just trying to make it to put your head on the pillow clicked fifteen minutes at a time, you know. Power naps. Yeah. Like, look, you know, you're looking at like constantly looking at the clock. You're like a coach at the end of the game just wants to bleed the clock at every. And my responsibility. I don't know if it was one particular night, or the, you know, I barely remember those those first few months, but this was with my two month old child. I was going to get up with him for the middle of the night. Feeding that night right and sell them sitting in the rocking chair with him. And my eyes are like half closing as I'm holding this like very fragile baby and feeding him and you have this like instinctual thing where you hold him tight, even if you fall asleep there. Yeah. But but your arm could go loose and limp at anytime. So I'm trying to think of different things in my head to keep me at least somewhat reasonably this middle ground between consciousness and dead asleep. Austin that you have to hold because you have to have some tension in that arm. Correct. Exactly. I I love that middle ground to because I feel like that middle. Ground has really fertile thoughts are room serious. I have some I think some weird shit in that middle ground. And I really enjoy like have you ever been conscious enough in that middle ground to recognize what your brain is processing, but unconscious enough not to wake up from it. Yep. I love that feeling. It's like it's like that place where where you can see this amazing castle and like jump and land on top of it feel like you're going there, and like it's actually real. But in the back of your mind, you're like this is not real. But it's still super cool so game world. Yes. Exactly. So I was in that place and earlier over the previous two or three days I had been talking with Dan Duquette. Who was the GM of the Orioles time and Alexander who was the GM of the Blue Jays at the time. And Dan had a young pitcher named Dylan Bundy. Yep. And Alex had three young pitchers named Aaron Sanchez. Justin Nichelino and no sin. Nder guard go and Dylan Bundy who had thrown like two hundred pitches in a game in high school. Yeah, he's like legend areas. I mean him and Archie Bradley would have like these tools in Oklahoma in the hot sun of Oklahoma. It's exactly right where they would just go out, and and nuke their arms and Dylan Bundy was being limited that time to I two innings per start and Sanchez and Nichelino in syndergaards same thing. And when I talked with dander cat, and especially Alex, Alex said something to me that really was the seed for this book. I said why are you doing this? And he said, I don't know. And I always appreciated Alex is honesty because he's not one of those people who's gonna make up in excuse to rationalize something that he's doing right. He will come out and be honest about it. And I was like, you don't know. And I'm like if Alexandroupolis who's a very thoughtful rational person who is in charge of one of these thirty teams. Yeah. Does not know and is doing things by throwing a dart at a dartboard that has like, you know, it's like one through nine around the dartboard, and how many innings guy goes is where the dark on that particular night. If that's how things are being done in major league baseball. What does that say about this sport that prides itself as much as does on fishy? It says that it's totally guessing with this stuff. And if after hundred fifty years of playing this game, we're still guessing why? That's what I wanted to answer. So I'm sitting there and feeding this kid in my mind is going, and I have like different chapters that I'm okay, we could do this. We could start here. You know, I go and look at the history to a whole chapter on Nolan. Ryan, I could do something Tim. Let's I mean, I I have these thoughts bouncing around in my head. And it just comes to that autumn where Mike this is not a story this book, and and I have been looking for book to write for really long time because I had I had done one called death to the BCS right with Dan Wetzel. Josh Peter who colleagues of mine who sports at the time. And it was a fulfilling thing it was an enjoyable thing. But it wasn't my own right now. I was drafting on there. I. Yeah. And it was great to do that. But I wanted to try something by myself just to see if I could do it like, that's the you know, I know what that feels do that feels like it is it is a lonely and harrowing and so unbelievably fulfilling feeling in in. That's like those are the two poles of it. Like, you can feel like you are just bashing your head against the wall constantly. But when you figure it out, there's there's no greater feeling in the world. Yeah. That's I mean, that's all incredibly true. There's I guess there's no substitute for I want to call it success. Because at the end of the day, the book was a resounding success. But did you know it as you're writing it, did you know that this is good? I knew I had the goods this is. Yeah, you know, what it's not just like I knew the material was good. I did not know if how I presented. It was good that. That's always my that's my bugaboo. Like, I feel like I can find information. I feel like people trust me and can talk. Honestly with me. I feel like I see details that most people don't see feel like I can make connections of all of those things into a salient point. Yeah. It's the storytelling that always makes me wonder am I putting this in the right order a my telling this the right way on my drawing readers along. With me, am I giving them enough to continue on chapter chapter paragraph. Two paragraph were toward. Yeah. That's always the fight. Like, I don't know. If you I'm sure you didn't see it because you were just getting started on your season. But have you heard about Luchetti I had not? So this was the first big story. I wrote for free. Bien and lucrative was drafted by the cubs. First round in two thousand two blows out in two thousand three comes back in two thousand five can't throw the ball over the plate full blown Yip's. Oh, yeah. Like, nasty nasty feeling. We've all been there a little bit. But the full blown Yip's. I'm talking full blown like to the point where when he's playing catch before a game. He's worried he's gonna hit the hot dog vendor. Yup. And walked thirty six and two thirds innings that hurts me just thinking about it. It does because you like give Zaidi you know, what it's like standing out on that mound. And and being the only person out there. I was tell tell people the first the first inning of the game. I never know if I'm gonna throw a strike until I throw a strike. I never do. You're standing on a mound. You're like I have to throw a strike. I know if I don't throw a strike, I'm never gonna get into this game. So strike one until you throw strike one you go like three on the first hitter. Just the beads of sweat, the cold sweat starts creeping over your whole body. But yeah. So throwing strikes is an underrated skill. But. Yeah. So he's back Cathro strike cubs. Try to work with him. Nothing. Nothing much comes of it. It's one of those things we don't know how to solve it's like arm injuries. How do you solve the how do you? How do you solve it when the physical manifest itself mentally? Yeah. And then the to get intertwined in this like cancerous ball, and if you remove one the other goes away too. So if the mental stuff is, you know, if the mental stuff if you try and take it away, the physical stuff going to follow along with it too. Unwind the two before you do, and that's a really difficult thing. And so he's done and done in two thousand seven plays a little bit indie ball camera strike there either. And you know meets girl goes back to school. He had he had gone to ball state and goes back to school and gets his gets his degree and get to see us ESO becomes a certified strength and conditioning specialist and opens up AGIP in the Scottsdale area. And it's tough. He wanted to get away from baseball. Yeah. Why wouldn't you after that? I mean, this was something that that you it was supposed to be your life, and and it just got taken away, and you can't process why. And so he knows what he knows starts training baseball players, and this is early in the two thousand tens and he had thrown, but he went to this high school defy. High school in Ohio and his coach there they've turned out. Chad Billingsley, Giannis like, oh, yeah. They're coaches had like night. This little small town Ohio nineteenth straight years with the kid who throws ninety. Plus, they're doing something right there throwing weighted balls and this coach was throwing away to ball's going back like twenty five years, except it was a softball baseball and tennis ball as opposed to like the dried stuff that you. See the old school Dr line right there. The kid goes up and picks up whatever balls in the garage. Like, it's like, Mike Marshall like that's stuff that Mike Marshall was doing for hills Florida, you know, for like in the jungle down there have you been to zephyr hills before I've seen videos, and it looks. Honestly, it looks terrifying. It something out of a horror movie, it looks like something that you would see in like one of the final episodes of true detective season hundred percent. Yes. Like car Cosa lives in zephyr. So so Luke, you know, he he gets this idea that I keep reading the stuff about two balls. I used it myself. But I don't like the idea thrown a softball. I wonder who has four ounce balls in six balls. And so he goes onto the internet. And he sees Dr line has he's so he orders the set, and he's like there's no research out there. No definitive research on way, too balls. I'm not gonna give it to kids without there being research. I'm going to try myself and see if it works. So he picks up all sorts rowing again. And you know, arm doesn't hurt getting a little bit of a lawsuit. A you know, he's on like mid to high eighties starts taking up a bit. And the sense him down this like rabbit hole of information. Like, you want to learn like, I know this is your podcast, but I'm gonna ask you a question. When's the first time you heard the word spin rate? Oh, man. The fall league in two thousand eleven and I was getting knocked around in the fall league. I mean by getting knocked him not around as tame way of saying it, I was getting absolutely crushed. And it's air Zona, and it's hot and the ball is flying. And I'm just I can't get out and my pitching coach at the time came to the show this huge packet. And that was right when track man started becoming a thing and you're with the Mets, then right? I was with the Mets yoga, and he sort of flipping through these pages as packing. I'm like, what is this stuff? And it gets this lining highlighted my name and this number next to it. And it was two thousand four hundred. And I was like what does that mean? You looked at and said, this is your RPM's. He didn't call. It's been this is the RPM's of your curve ball. And he compared that to like the top five guys in major league baseball. And I was like right there right there close to it. And so when I saw my name next to like Clayton Kershaw. That's the this is the only time. We and Clayton Kershaw. Come in the same conversation together was actually angry that track men was invented. Because your name was next house. Right hundred percent. He. Yeah. He's still he's still doesn't like it. We won't talk to me. But I saw it. And I was like, okay. What does this mean? And he said, you spin it really fast and look next to that number, and you see your opiate that against your ball versus European against every other pitch. And it was way lower said. So if so facto throw Walker, and that was the first time I've ever thought about an analytic of a specific pitch being of any interest to me. But then I'm sure you're like feed me more will once it starts working, obviously. Success breeds curiosity. Luchetti had success with the way ball. So he's like, okay. What else? What am I missing? What what can I teach these kids? And so, you know, he starts getting into you know, throwing pull downs and long toss. And all of the things that work in terms of growing v low building lost because for the longest time. I think baseball believed you were born with a certain number of. Miles per hour in your arm. True. You cannot improve more than maybe one or two upon that. Once you reach your physical maturation. So Luke, Lucas testing himself getting pigging on all of these different things. So it's a little harder. And he starts thrown a little harder. And suddenly some of these kids who started with him as teenagers now pitching in college. And even in the minor leagues or looking at him saying you're throwing better than I am. Yeah. Like, why are you not coming back, but he had kids and he was in his thirties. And he had this business that he was trying to grow. And also, it's really scary. When you've lost your career one time because you couldn't throw a ball over the plate yet to come to terms with the idea of doing it again, you know, too much exactly like vulnerability is a really difficult human emotion at like to an and to put yourself out there like that. Especially when you know, Lucas Lucas raised in a in a household where it's not that failure wasn't an option failure. Obviously is an option for everyone. It's that failure wasn't accepted was tolerated. Yeah. If you fail figure it out, and it wasn't said in like a a mean way or a wrong way. It was said to teach you a lesson that perseverance is the most important quality that someone can have winners. Never quit. That's exactly right. And so he's you know, he's he's trying to figure out is at the right time at the right time. When's the right time? How do I do this and he met with a sports psychologist? Who her name is Debbie crews, and she and she wanted to get a sample of baseball players to take this this test that she has and Luke was one of them and in terms of competitiveness. He scored really well, and in terms of thoughtfulness, and empathy, and you know, a lot of a lot of these things that you that you need. I think to be successful. But it was fear where his fear factor was so much higher than everybody else's because the that thing doesn't go away. Man. No, it never goes. It never goes away. You just you can maybe figure out how to stifle it hibernates until you get in the right situation. Like, honestly, it is like an auto immune disease. Yeah. It is ever lurking inside of you. And and Debbie, and I'm not trying to oversell her role in this because she was sort of at the end. But but she said to him, you know, you gotta take the leap. Some point in that got the bug in his head after others. You know, his wife, she wasn't really pushing him too much because she saw that he was happy teaching these kids and in these experiments on himself, and he would come home after a good day and tell her about it should be like, hey, I'm really proud. But she she wouldn't say what are you going to do? Finally. He's like I'm gonna give myself six months Dr line has a pro day in February of two thousand nineteen. I'm going to go there. They're going to be scouts. They're gonna throw for teams. And you know, what they will be the judge. Yeah. So he, you know, building up v low getting ready for this pro day goes up there like he he realizes this is my last shot gets on the mound and from the left side sits ninety seven goodness gracious with with a pretty vicious slider. Couple bad ones. He's not a lot of strikes. Well, but ninety seven with a slider. And he's got a curve and change plays and two weeks later at thirty seven years old signs a minor league deal to go back with the Chicago Cubs because he felt like he hadn't finished his job the first time. He was there. An awesome story. It's a great story stores. Like all of this goes back to the fact that when I found all of this out I sat there, and I said, Jeff Thanh screw this up. That is my feeling about it like it's so good. I don't want to screw up a great story. Like that. Because I know that you know, I know that I have it. I know that it can be great. And and there's just that that in your head. Sometimes like if you have if you have this diamond this beautiful like raw diamond in the process of cleaning it up you don't want to accidentally break it into five hundred pieces. Right. You you wanna polish it you want to shape it? You wanna you wanna do? Right by this. Great thing you have. And I think I did right by him. And I felt the same way about the book in the end. I had I had all this this great stuff. And I felt like I I did it Justice and and served it. Well, yeah. That's I mean, it's a great story. It's a great book. If you haven't read it out there. Go pick it up read it if you need a copy. I have a copy so come fine meal. You you I'm happy to if you if you subscribe all new subscribers, I will get a signed copy to column can send to you heard it here. First guys, we will incentivize these subscription. I also see the five point zero rating on toons. Instead of is an interesting word because it is something that we've been talking about a lot mean, you mean players mean everybody around baseball that I can think of and incentives are in my opinion. What's kind of driving baseball today? I wanna ask you an overarching question you can answer. However you want and then we can get into the meat of it. But what does the state of sports in? Or what is the state of baseball today? I think the state of baseball's bifurcated right now, I buy for catered for us who did not graduate from Syracuse bifurcated is is divided into two distinctly separate things you, okay? On one hand. I think the quality of the players and of the play is better than it has ever been and by a pretty reasonable margin. Yeah. I think that the stuff pitchers are throwing is better than it's ever been. I think the ability of hitters to hit incredible pitches is better than it's ever been. I think the F lettuces is better than it's ever been. I think the just the knowledge in the game has made players better. On the other hand. I think the knowledge has made everything around the game worse. A lot of people would agree with you. And I'm not I'm not going to sit here in in blame analytics for the economic discord. And I think that's probably a reasonable way to put it right in look in every relationship, whether it is marital whether it's a friend, whether it's parent and child or whether it's between business partners. There's going to be moments where things are not right. It's why I'm not the person who's jumping to OMG. There's gonna be a strike in twenty twenty one right, right? Guys are two and a half years left. So a lot of time a lot of time to repair things and into figure it out. But where we are in terms of the way that the players view the league in the league views the players right now, I think is at a really precarious point and above all of that. At like the thing that in and I told you this yesterday. I don't know if the did I make the game of thrones comparison for all we talked about it again throws fan. So yes, I like this. I like this. Tell us game of thrones fans the war of the five kings, which you know, we lost our IP lots of people knockout, I'm not gonna I'm not going to spoil it too much. But like if you haven't seen it by now, you probably deserve to have it spoils. You don't feel like I feel like people are also going to maybe possibly catch up. It's so neat to. Yeah. So easy. Like, I watched. I'm glad my wife's not listening to this. Because I watched the last three episodes of true detective last night. There you go on my computer in my hotel room like you can watch anything anywhere right now. It's awesome. But but the war of the five kings is is, you know, the idea that somebody needs to rule west rose and an in it's more than. That they're fighting one another these humans without the existential threat that is looming over them like literally on top of them. If you go on top of the map of west rose, and you see an army of the dead marching down. It is literally like coming down on the top of their head. And I feel like the thing that is coming down on top of baseball's head right now is is the demographic problem where fans the average baseball fan is getting older, and there's a generation of baseball fans right now or excuse me generation of kids right now that baseball's losing. And I think that is a problem. And I was I was talking with our mutual friend. Sean Doolittle earlier to was over in just across the way in the eggs actly. It's a little hot outside wearing a suit. So it wasn't quite across the hall one for dressing up for me. I appreciate that. I listen offer you off of the podcast. And you know, we were we were talking about just how how this matters like baseball baseball has a problem when it comes to how old its fans are right? And when it comes to how it engages with its fans and he Shama saying the Astros. Do a really good job Collins podcast, Alex bregman, YouTube channel Lance mccullers going on twitch. You know, these are. And I know you're not doing it to to save baseball. I try to hide my Cape. Having the podcast. But yeah, so when you when you're going to dunk and hang on the rim with your elbow. You're not opening the shirt that's superman on it. We'll see what happens during the season this year strike outs. What I'm going to strike outs. But but you guys in and I don't know I I assume it's mostly individual driven as opposed to organizationally driven. But but the fact that you guys engage how you do. I think is a roadmap for what baseball can and should be doing with more players. And I'm curious like inside of club houses there. There's almost this paradigm. Where individuality gets doesn't get knocked out of you. But I is it discouraged is that a way to put it and not and not not individuality so much as something that could bring attention to yourself. Yeah. There is a collective feeling. I think it's it's a baseball tradition. Right. So it's baseball tradition. That says you are not the most important thing. And it is ingrained into you from the second. You get into pro ball from the minor leagues. All the way through the minor leagues. It is drilled in you in the minor leagues. Because you're you're nobody. Nothing. You're a hundred percent commodity. You're nothing you're making three hundred bucks every two weeks. Like, you're eating like crap you're sleeping six people to an apartment, you know, you get to these dingy club houses. Like if that doesn't teach you that you're nothing what. Well, it's made for to people out. It's not made to get you there. It's mitt and somebody forget how was talking to. I was talking to Garrett on the last podcast. And we're talking about the miners minors is not made for you to get to the Bailey's. It's made for you to not get to the big leagues. And if you get past that then you get a chance to do what we do play this game for a living. And it's it's amazing. But I've wrote a blog during the minor leagues. Because I was I wanted to remember the stuff because it's almost like PTSD. It's you try to black it out as soon as you get past. It you try and like forget about it. And I think part of the reason that that we're getting off topic a little bit. But no, this is actually firmly on topic relief because this I think the. The treatment of players, and I'm not going to say like a lack of respect for players. I think that I think the league does respect you guys. I don't think the league values you guys enough yet. I think everybody in baseball says the game is bigger than anyone right than anyone player. But the collective players are bigger than the game. The you know, that's don't tell Bill James. But yes, it is. When when the if and win the players go away the game is not good though. Yeah. We saw that a little bit in ninety four five. But yeah, that's what I hope MLB recognizes. And that's also what I hope the players recognize there needs to be an extreme amount of unanimity on both sides. And I think in the past where the MLB PA was at its strongest. Is that it brought all the players together. Right. Right. And on the other hand, you had owners who felt like they were putting too much into the kitty and revenue sharing who felt like the they couldn't win a small markets. You had just divided ownership yet people from different industries who didn't recognize the power of collective thinking. Well, it was competition. It was pew at the end of the date was pure competition between businesses on the field, we compete we compete every day. But there was this other level of competition that you never saw it was way above the game itself. And it was the people on top of the had to compete with each other. And like you're saying there is a collective thinking that goes into making more efficient decisions. Right. Yes. And that sounds like the c word nobody is saying this word of mouth. Yes, nobody say nobody's saying that. And I'm not saying that either. Because that is that is a very loaded term. And if the MLB PA is going to take that step it should do so judiciously, but I will say interestingly back in the inclusion one particularly have you read lords of around by John Hallier. I had it yet you need to get that boat. Okay. On the list, it that should be the first book like what's number one on your list right now? Like three quarters of the way through the game. Okay. And that's pushing me in that direction. So Lord Lord of lords the room lords of the round the realm that the next it's for my money. It's the best baseball book. That's been okay. And it's essentially about the creation of the MLB PA. They should they should make copies and give them out to every player. No, I'm dead serious. Because I don't think players understand. I think the reason one of the reasons that today the union is in a lot of ways like the owners were back then and the owners today are in a lot of ways like the union was then is because the history just is it's it's not that. It's not known. It's that it's a difficult thing to contextualize like to understand where where the sport is right now you've had an entire two generations of players come through and labor pace. Yeah. I think about it five years five years out from any sort of labor conflict. And I mean, that's I was I don't even know how old was seven at that point. So like, I barely remember what that was like people who older than me. Remember it being bad? But the you talked to the players from that generation, and they're like you guys don't understand what that was like. Yeah. And in their right, and how could you? I mean the average salary back in nineteen ninety four. You know, I think I'm trying to think who had the biggest contract back. Then I think it was Matic's signed in ninety three for like five years and thirty eight million with. Yeah. I think bond signed it San Francisco for like six years and forty million. Yeah. I remember looking at those numbers and saying even putting putting them into today's dollars. It's not as not the same ballpoint Lehman. It's really not. It's really not and. So this labor peace has it's a good thing. It is created some incredible profits. Some incredible stability in the game. Which is I like we said I think the game is in a great spot from a raw product in respective in. That is that is what gets me back to my ridge point here. People are making money, and I understand why players are dubious right now. I get it. 'cause free agency has changed. And it has changed in players is not for the better. Right. I also think and I think I might have said this you yesterday. I also think that the inevitability of this was not clear because if it were clear, you know, I I didn't see the floor falling out right this. But it was clear if you looked at it from the perspective of math always wins. Trevor Bauer we've talked about a math, always Williams. Trevor travelers say the math always win. Wins in the math is winning here. And it's a it's a hard pill to swallow for players who because there there is. I think the toughest part of this next labor negotiation is going to be guys who right now are twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine. Yeah. Because then when this when the current deal expires, they're going to be thirty thirty one and thirty two right? And they're going to have spent the first six or seven years of their career with their salaries deflated artificially, deflated artificially deflated a great piece about our about arbitration. And that's a little known little known part of the game part of contract negotiations part of labor, but it's it's one of those things that is incredibly important, but it flies him to the radar for so many people. Did you bring it up just a humble brag? Well, you know, I have read a couple of things read a book where if you guys didn't know is one of I. Aleve three or four players maybe to go to arbitration twice in win. Not many. Yeah. Not many have done. It not many go once they're scared of the process slot of fun process because you sit in a room with a bunch of lawyers who tell you how bad you are. Oh, yeah. It's your worst nightmare. That is a very real thing. Like, you have to be very secure human being to sit through an arbitration twice. You have to be a masochist. I was telling guys this year. Thankfully, we didn't have to go to arbitration this year, we were able able to settle, but I was telling guys who were gonna end up being in the room. What I learned after my second time going through. It was they're not going to tell you anything that you haven't thought about yourself a hundred times on your worst day. So just go into it knowing that like this is going to be like one of your bad days. It's like you just had a bad start or you just went over eight. So don't worry about it. You'll get past it. You'll move on. But yet, it's intellectual exercise has to be fascinating. Okay. Yes. Or no way televise arbitration hearings. Oh, man. I think everybody should have to sit in on. I think everybody should have to at least would enjoy watching. It depends. I don't know what your average baseball fan. I mean, if you put it on like court TV. Yeah. Nobody's nobody's watching. Why? Nobody how many people watch OJ Simpson trial that was a zillion people. But I don't know there's something intriguing for the average person about seeing, you know, Garrett Cole versus the, you know, are like I'm telling you there's there's somebody in the baseball industry who constantly pushes me to advocate for putting arbitration hearings on TV. He's like it would be great content, and it would be it would be transparency. It would be showing able like it would be showing people. What? They don't see. Yeah. It's almost like the the excitement of trial. Yeah. And I think players would would not be down with it. Because like you have. So the way that in arbitration hearing works is that there's an argument for each side. That goes an hour. So player goes first, right? You get your our. Yep. You get your hour. And you know, sometimes that that's a case that's been worked on for for weeks. Sometimes more. Yeah. You know, you sorta like start off before him because you don't know when you exchange numbers where they're going to be and you don't want to spend too much time working on that beforehand, but you have to work on a lot because in arbitration, it's a comp based system to combat system and there's a tiny window for negotiation, especially now. Yes, because they they know better. The whole system is set up. So you don't go to a hearing. It's it was supposed to be that way. Well, yeah. Idealistically it's that way. And so you have all this time that you're working on it. And the player gets an hour argument. The club gets an hour argument. And these arguments are printed out essentially like you've got the information that's going to be used and they're exchanged at the beginning. And a group of people from each side, then go huddle in like a hotel suite because there's thirty minute rebuttals. They just break crazy research. It's it's like that's where I wanna be. I wanna be I wanna be in the rebuttal room. Some someday just to see the way that people are processing arguments 'cause the, you know, as as I've gotten older like I've I've learned to really appreciate people who can think logically on their feet in who can find flaws in arguments. I imagined into the same thing when you get that a Hommant. And you see a hitter has a weakness that he doesn't know. Oh, yeah. And you know, you're just going to exploit him if you execute. It's great. Yeah. It really really is. But yeah, that that team that goes back is like the best debate team you've ever seen. That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. There a great debate team because they're they're finding weaknesses in these arguments and not just finding weaknesses, but but they're an -ticipant being in the best ones will add -ticipant what's going to happen. And what's going to come from the other side? And and that's I think that's where you in cases. Yeah. Bottle. You get your thirty minute rebuttal. They get their thirty bottle. And then every once in a while, you get a maybe a two minute, sir rebuttal, which has happened in both of my cases. Yeah. Yeah. They've been heated exchanges. Yeah. They get going decide. Love it. But you know, I think it's it's an incredibly important part of the process that gets overlooked of times because you're starting your the goal is to move the needle a little bit here and there, and essentially you don't wanna talk about floors and ceilings, but essentially move the floor up over and over and over again for these players in their prime, and that's why the era Nolan Luis Severino extensions were as interesting as they were. Yeah. You're buying those years. Right. No. It's not just that. But when you're moving the needle ever so slightly the way that it's looked at is you can go to arbitration up to four times. Right. If what's called super twos. That's the top twenty percent of players in a particular service class and the record do, you know, who has the record for first time eligible non special players and by special. I mean, Dallas Kyko wanna young right? And he was first time eligible like when you win awards you're sort of considering a different category. Dontrelle Willis Dontrelle. AL saddle doing that is how long it's been since somebody has moved the first time eligible ceiling. Wow. And so Noah and Severino. Both both had the opportunity to do that. And they took extensions. And here's the thing. I I'm probably in the minority here at least among people in the baseball industry. I think the general consensus extensions like that are best for the club. Right. Typically. Yeah. Typically, I've seen too many arms go and go badly right to ever fall to pitcher. Oh, I will. I always tell people I'll never tell somebody turned on when it's on the table and not to say that there is a right decision. Wrong decision because everybody has their own motives for taking with they're gonna take. But when you put a contract, and you say, this is forty million guaranteed on table in front of anybody for any reason. I am not far enough removed from. Average Joe on the street to say turn that down. So so Luis Severino was not a July. Second kid all the best Latin American kids. Go july. Second loose ever unit was not a July. Second kid. He ended up getting two hundred twenty five thousand dollars, which is which is a lot of money. Luis severino. Also is like twenty four years old now so in and he's made five hundred thousand which again a lot of money for the last couple years. But when your kid from the Dominican Republic who never was highly touted who throws ninety eight and and knows that there's a very strong correlation between velocity and arm injuries. Yep. You're you're you're just you're spending a lot of money on insurance there. That's a contract extension. I almost feel like is an insurance policy to good way of looking at it. Yeah. But the the hard the hard part of it is on the other side of that there. There's a trend. There's a trend that you want to continue to. Pushing up or totally not pushing up, but you want to continue the percentage of player of new to team revenue to be the same. You want it to be connected and closely connected. And I think in the last few years we're starting to see team revenues start to ramp up a little bit. And we're maybe seeing a little plot a plateau of player of new and that is for players in general that has a startling and disconcerting thing, and we talked about vulnerability earlier, and I'm going to ask you to to be vulnerable here, your free agent after this year does my last year before for your free agent after this year, you're going to be thirty two. Are you scared of free agency free agency used to it used to be this like shiny thing at the end of your at the end of your six it was the castle that I jumped up in in my dream. That's exactly where it was. I remember being in port St. Lucie rookie with the Mets thinking if I ever make. Get the free agency. It will be this like shining city on a hill. And we will it will be it will just be everything for me. 'cause you have no ability to control anything really any anything outside of your salary number for your entire baseball career. So I've been playing pro ball for my length season. And not once have I gone into a season being able to decide where I go decide when I show up decide who I show up to decide how much I make. It has always been decided for me, including an arbitration. This was the first year I settled, so I actually got to decide. Yes. I will take that number or no, I will not take the number. So free agency is that I it really is freedom is the ability to control your own destiny. And before last year really before last year. It was this. It was just this great thing out in out at the end of year. Number six the everybody wanted to get to. And if you got to it, you get that one. I knew it was an older guy always going to be thirty one thirty two when I get free. Maybe at one bite at the apple and that one bite at the apple without was going to be your thing, though, you could almost guarantee it it was going to be out there. And if you did well, and if you put up the numbers, you are gonna get contract, and it's not there anymore now, and it's like buying a little bit. It should be. Because even if you come out, and you make thirty three starts this year. And you throw one hundred eighty two two hundred innings, and you shove you're still a thirty two year old starting you're still thirty two year old starting pitcher every team is going to have I made it tweet a while ago that I think some people probably didn't respond to very well. But I probably didn't phrase it very, well, it was about six that happens feeling. I'm I'm terrible. It was about more one. But it was a joke about analytics departments saying like at you're not really what we need even though he can do everything. But that is it is the case that every team will find if they don't want you. They will find a way to make you. From his that's happened with Bryce Harper Machado this season. Like two of the am. I am I too high. When I say twenty best players in baseball to the fifteen best like, I put them at their at their best. They're both top ten players. Yes. Their best. They're both top ten where they are. Right now easily top twenty. Yeah. And including their age. Yeah. Potential, and let's put it this way. There are enough excuses being made about them that were recording this on February seventeenth. Yeah. It's the eighteenth. And they still don't have jobs, and they don't have jobs yet where a week in spring training. And that that's the most alarming part of all of this. You know, I did a story last year. And I think it was the first I think it was the first really sort of deep dive that anyone had written about the state of affairs with baseball economics. And and it was scary to me because this sports should be thriving. It should be right. Yeah. So we thought about this sports should be thriving in so many ways, and I feel like on one side the clubs desires. To be efficient and to get quote, unquote, value, are are you surp- ING their responsibility to grow the game. Yeah. In on the other side, I feel like players fear over the way clubs are operating right now and their desire to win short term in gain back what they feel like they've lost are again doing the same things that clubs are in. So all of this is having this poisonous affect on the relationship when in reality. This is a relationship that is best served with both sides operating partners. Not adversaries a hundred and I understand the desire of of Tony Clark and of others at the union not to trust MLB because in the past MLB has been duplicitous have proved untrustworthy exactly right? Collusion. Literally happened felt like actual cases legal cases. Yes. Yes. Multiple legal cases with enormous amounts of damages. Correct. And yet there needs to be that partnership for everybody to gain what they need and what the sport needs in. That is where the emphasis needs to be. There is an army of the dead coming from the north there that there is there is and and it is demographics who endemic graphics will come in hit you like a nuclear bomb, and they and they will make they will make things irrelevant. Think about think about in the business world the way that that demographics make things irrelevant. Think about radio shack, it never adjusted its business to to cater to younger people think about just big box stores in general when online. Fine shopping became easier and more convenient. They did not adjust and they're dying now. Right. Adjuster die. Yeah. I think a baseball tends to have this this like superman complex where it will save everything. It's big enough to do everything. It will save everything because it's baseball. It's America's pastime. But we were talking about it. If it no longer is a pastime if it's just a amusement park that you go to once a summer. Yeah. That's all sustainable that doesn't that doesn't make for a good next hundred years of baseball. I hate this conversation because I feel like I'm a my the doomsday clock towers right now. I know I, but I also feel like it's an important conversation to have right because I think it's it's important for fans to understand that you know, as much as players are are the sport fans are are the lifeblood they are they are what's the? Sustain baseball in baseball needs to figure out and in by baseball. I don't just mean central baseball. I mean, the players baseball is exactly they need to figure out how to sell this game better. You're gonna have your diehards like people. I will love baseball. No matter. What? Right. Just because I I love baseball same. I'm fan. I've been a famine whole life. Yeah. There are fewer and fewer of those. Yeah. They're fans of teams. They're not fans of the sport though. And and I think in the NFL you've got a lot of fans of teams, but a lot of fans of the sport. And I think in the NBA were almost getting to the point where you have fans of players. Yeah. I like I have taken such an interest in the NBA this off season because I feel like the NBA and a lot of ways does things right. They do a lot of things. I think you're right. A lot of things better than better than. Else's. Yeah. And thinking differently. They are. And and you know, what the it's a players league. Yeah. Right now, it is for sure. Yeah. And I think that the NBA the the central office recognizes that players still this game, not a bad thing. Right. It's it's not in there needs to be that understanding in there needs to this gets back to what we were talking about earlier. I think there needs to be a shift in how players think NBA players do not mind going out there and making themselves center of attention. They really don't in fact, they relish it. And we expected of them. Yeah. Exactly. When they don't do it like Hawaii Leonard's almost in anomaly, right, right? Because co is quiet like it was a maim when he laughed because that was the weirdest laugh I've ever heard. Like, it was a really weird laugh. I'm totally with you on that. But but the fact that the guy showed emotion, you know, he he's the outlier. Yeah. Kawai Leonard is chase utley except baseball has like an abundance of chase utley types. Chase Elliott what we aspire to be exactly exactly. Like if you're in a clubhouse and you're with chase utley. Yup. And you ever did anything untoward like anything that offended his sensibilities as just like a ball player? All he had to do was give you one look. And you would feel like the world was collapsing on you. Yeah. And I you know, if chase utley is the optimal baseball player and baseball needs to and I think we probably agree with this. Baseball needs to be to be more open to be more out there to sell its better. How do you reconcile that? I think we can I really think we can do it. Okay. Because an hear me out. I think baseball for all the traditionalism in baseball. We are a bunch of millennials playing this game right now we are. And like I'm talking about this team right here me Lantz bregman. Verlaine? We've got guys who understand the demographic that we are trying to reach. I mean, there's guys all across his clubhouse who are part of this generation. I was talking about this with Jessica, Mike, you, you know, fame better than any baseball player. He does. Yeah. That's a voice that should be at the table, and your voice that should be at the table and some like, Lance, you're right. Like going just people who figure out how to connect their be that engagement though, you can marry those two I really think there's and that's honestly, that's what's podcast was initially created to be was to be a marriage between the chase outlays of the world. Who for good reason is put on put on this pedestal in the baseball world as as trying to example of you're trying to be like this guy? He works his ass off. He's a good talented player. He stays healthy. He does his work. He puts his very blue. Collars cares. A lot. I don't know if I've ever played with anybody who was around him who said anything negative about him. And so there is something to be valued in that a lot to be valued in that. I think but to be able to showcase who he is as an actual. Person to because there is there's a person behind chase utley baseball player that fans probably never got to see that's Shays outlier never wanted to show. And I think there has to be there has to be vehicles to allow people to marry the to find the personality behind chase outlay defined the personality behind Justin Berliner Garrett Cole Lance mccullers, and these people who people want to know fans want to know them I, but I understand why someone would not want to as well. You gotta take the good with the bat. Do I mean celebrity socks in a lot? It does. It's hard for me. When I walk down the street and people confuse me with Ryan Gosling on. When you have a face that people know, though, everyone wants to take a selfie with you. Everyone wants to say hi to you. And look you guys get paid enough where? Yeah. Taylor deal asshole Reich, but at the same time, that's also it's also something that we can't ignore as a burden. Yeah. Like, we all we all have things in our life that take up time. And when you're when you are a parent, and when you are a professional the thing that you value most Faren away is time. Yeah time is that is that resource that you never get back exact renewable resource. That's exactly right. And so when that time is spent doing things that you don't feel like are important to you know, maybe you don't do them. But I think we're players need to look at this is that look the game's not endanger. No k the game's not going. Let's be clear here baseball is not going away. Baseball's not going away in his not going away anytime soon, but what what is in in some danger. I think is baseball's relevance. And if the owners aren't going to be the stewards of the sport like they should be then it falls on the players to take that mantle. And today into do uncomfortable things that you may not want to do. But that are there for future generations. There were battles that were fought. And when you read lords of the realm, you're gonna see this. There were battles that were fought by previous generations of players that that are the reason you guys are making on average four million dollars a year right now. Yeah. Players need to pay it forward and the different kind of way at this point. I think it's a way that is going to actually benefit the clubs as well in with all the animus against clubs right now that may be a tough pill to swallow. But ultimately, it something that nobody knows baseball. Other than the players and the club's working together. This is going to be a clip that ends up being circulated because this is this is really gets Harvard. This gets at the heart of what we're trying to do both as players in front offices. We all care about making this game better do, but we are. I think you're right. We we're at odds enough. We're not seeing the force for the trees. I think that there's more to it than that. That's exactly what it is. And I have talked with people on both sides who make this exact point which gives me faith that those people eventually will connect with one another and figure this thing out. And again, we said earlier there's two and a half years to do this. There's still time guys but still time, but there needs to be like an understanding that as much as as they are the other side as much as they are in some ways, the adversary. They're not the enemy. No, they're kind of the spouse. You're right. You're right. And and marriages, married, married. We both have kids we both know. Yeah. I mean, a marriage amazing woman, and we fight and we get over it. And we move forward but without that without conflict. There is no progress you came forward. I I would like to think that my marriage. I've been married for twelve years now is as as strong as it's ever been and and yet four nights ago. I know I'm sorry. It was it was the the next morning. I got a text from my wife, and it says snow day Jack woke up at three AM and puked everywhere. When are you coming home? And getting that text. It's like. Oh boy. Yeah. That's where MLB in the L A R right now, it's a snow day. So the kids are at home, and they got nothing to do one of pukes all over the place. That's probably like the CBA that's going on right now. And when are you getting home is when are we going to start fixing this thing and making it better? Right. And I just made my life into baseball labor economics metaphor, and I feel like I have reached my peak. And yeah, the the Mike is Dr of done at this point because if I can get game of thrones. And my eleven year old puking into one podcast guys. If you were playing the drinking game of the twelve six podcast drinking game, you have checked all the boxes now drunk because has ticked them. All bingo. Here we go. Thank you for this. I wanna get a couple of questions into you, which we would do before with ever guest. They're not baseball related. We've gone down that road. I think we're we've exhausted those resources right now. The last time you opened up your music, streaming vehicle of choice, whether it's I tunes Spotify your eight track record player does does work. No, this is your music music musical only. You seem like a record guy. Don't know if you have records or record player you strike me as one. Yeah. You do what was the last thing that you listen to on purpose? When I write I listened to. I put something on repeat. Okay. Like loop repeat loop repeat. All right. Like, it turns into white noise, and my favorite thing to write to is explosions in the sky. Oh, yeah. All right. And I have the entire album like I found on YouTube the full album, this is a cold dead place, something along those lines. And if you've never heard it's like instrumental, like, experimental rock music, psych rock. Yeah. Yeah. And and I have forty three minutes, and I put that on loop. And I've I have listened to that record forty three minutes through. I would make probably fifteen hundred times this is the soundtrack to the arm. Yes, actually. Yes. I should've thanked them and. At the end of the book, man. That's amazing. But if I'm writing a column where and I do most of my music listening when I'm writing I'm driving. I'm usually. Yeah. If I'm writing a column where I need a little bit of like righteous anger. I will listen to rage against the machine. Yep. Tom Morello was our live band karaoke in Atlanta, not too long ago and just going to say darkhorse if you come to Atlanta on a weekend get to dark horse and do some live band karaoke because the greats show up there for real. Tomor. I was I was taking my son to both my sons actually my eleven year old was playing a basketball game. And we're listening to rage on the way there, and I was explaining to him. How amazing tomor? A mike. He's a political activist. And he went to Harvard, and he can just shred on guitar. And you're you're paying it forward to your kid. You really you really need to know. I'm trying to shut shutt- woodwork or anything like this. But you need to know about I'm trying to make sure my kids don't listen to garbage music, and I'm probably gonna fail because like his parents. We always feel like our kids. Listen to trash music. Yeah. I don't know what it's going to be in twenty years. But it's going to be something that I'm like, I can't listen to if he's listening to EDM. I'm just gonna feel like I've I've done wrong. Oh, all right. And second question if you could give one piece of advice to somebody who is coming out of Syracuse university trying to sports writer in today's world. What would you tell them? I think this advice actually applies to sports writer to baseball player to factory worker to Dr to every walk of life more. Otar matters most you have to work hard, and you have to work a lot in. You have to sacrifice things that you might. Otherwise, believe are are imperative to your life in order to have the greatest success professionally and I feel like when you start finding professional success the rest of your life can come back into balance. It's not that you don't push the gas pedal anymore. Is that you just ease up on it. Yeah. But early in your career, I feel like establishing that work ethic in that standard for yourself is far and away the most vital thing. And that people recognize appreciate those who are willing to put in more than maybe even they should. That's like the great separator. Right. One hundred percent fill almost a prerequisite for past generations, like the that work ethic in the you know, what though man, I don't know. No, not you worked your forty hours. Messed me true. Yeah. This gig economy is very different. It is it is that workday. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I remember internships that I would go to I wouldn't I wouldn't take days off. And I'm doing it right now. I started a new job January fern, by the way, ESPN ESPN is going to be like is that the Everest of sports is it not anymore. I think so. Yeah. Okay. I hope so I'm I'm trying deal and you're on TV. Now, you're face. I know it's like America's loss. Really sorry, guys. I wish I sucked not have to subject you to that. But I even I'm thirty eight now, and I still feel like I have to prove that I'm going to work harder than everyone else because I feel like I have to and and that is a, you know, it's it's tough because I've got two kids that I love and want to spend time with got a wife that I love him want to spend time with and I've got things that I enjoy doing and work can get in the way sometimes figuring out that balance is an extremely difficult thing to do you know, what it's like to take work home and try not to do it. But if you get knocked around, it's you know, it's impossible not to because you care. Yeah. I take work home to a home. That's not actually mine and city that I don't actually live. So yeah, I understand. But but to me the like when I say motor. I mean, like your ability to grind through not just what's expected of you. But what you expect of yourself? Yeah. It's not it's not doing more than is expected of you. It's having such high expectations for yourself that they exceed what others can believe as possible. And I think if you're that person no matter the industry, but especially in place like sports writing that Scott as few jobs now as it does. Right. Thank you for for saving, many jobs. Right. But but in a in an industry that nobody knows what the future is gonna look like hard work will absolutely separate you. Well, I appreciate you being on here told you yesterday. I think the work you're doing is important. I think it's good. Work and those in the industry that can be relied on to have the integrity and the trustworthiness to be able to believe what you say believe what you put out. There is something that doesn't come along too often these days, so Jeff thank you for being on here. Thank you for listening. And we will see you next week.

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"You're listening to Caspian. Los Angeles Mason Ireland tearing up afternoon drive. It's all happening. It's Friday and you know every Friday. It's it Friday. That's right anything goes today. and we're getting ready for a big week in football including the rams hosting the Norlin saints. It's at the Coliseum in joining us right now is George Shahuri from pro football focus. That was pretty close. I think George how close did did he get to correctly pronounce your last name. Let's start with that. You did a lot better than most people do. I'll give you that if Chaudhary now now wouldn't have none of us were close. There's no who winning. We thought we thought there was how many syllables is it a lot. I will tell you this I get people putting cues and KS and letters that I didn't know existed in my last name so I usually stick with George okay all right all right so so George we are particularly excited about this Ram saints game because we were the ramp station. Mason's longtime rams season ticket holder. The spread is two and a half. If I almost I said earlier in the show it feels like a playoff game in September because of the the history between these two teams. What do you see in that game. And what do you think decides it well. Actually it was just looking at the line. I think it's moved to now. which I think makes some sense right because the narrative is that this is a revenge in for the saints I do think it goes both ways so right the Rampton hearing for so long well yeah well you made it to the Super Bowl on a huge fluke. I shouldn't have been there and that's gotTa be wearing on them a little bit too so I tend to try and save things like revenge and momentum and all this stuff stuff and just look at the two teams. They're both so good we have them three and four in our overall power ranking both offenses are tremendous and the rams defense certainly has an edge but both these quarterbacks in both these passing games they do their best work from a clean pocket as most quarterbacks do but under pressure really struggle and so I think the key will be here right. Which you know? Passing game is able to get more things going their way. Can the rams receivers continue to open up jared. Goff continue to hit hit open guys. It wasn't great in Carolina but I'm not going to put too much stock into this one it. It should be a real real close game. I I do think the rams have edge though yeah one of the big weaknesses for the rams in week one according to you guys is ratings was the offensive line Brian Allen who centre Jono yeah no boom and Austin Blight even Rob Haven Stein didn't have great grades from you guys so that offensive line was a question mark. It certainly was and I think think we saw it manifest itself in the play action game a little bit that is stable for the ramp right they were use it as much as anyone has really in the past ten years last season and they were the second most efficient team off of play action even though they used it so frequently and your office not good five point seven yards per cent don't use play action just six for twelve in Carolina there was one plane particular where Cooper carpeting was running wide open and he just decided to throw it over the top Robert Woods so you know they need the the plaque and game is designed to give him clean you know lanes to throw the ball and that requires choir the offensive line to do some work there right I think we sort of saw in that bears game last season where they just decided. We don't care right. We're going to rush passer and and you better be able to pass protect so they can't do that. That's a big issue 'cause jared Goff drew brees. It's not a guy that's going to make a bunch of guys. Miss Nisa make kind of place that that pockets of the Queen George when you look at and we're talking to Georgia who from pro football focus do you the the rams and the saints put up a bunch of points last year. I think one of those games is like forty five thirty five. What's the over under in this game. Do you know yeah we're it's a fifty two right now which is pretty darn high right right. I think you know it's so tough totals. Does the specially at the beginning of the season are just. It's such a crapshoot but in a game that you would anticipate to be close I you have asked to go on the side of the points right first of all you don't WanNa root for it either 'cause then you're no fun. No Fun to root for an under get kicked out of the bar or wherever you're but what we've seen what we certainly saw week one right is when games are close in order to win. Football Games will blow your mind here you got to score points and when when came close and both these teams have good offenses you know they will probably have to go back and forth. I will say this though you know what the saints have is an offense and a coach that often take the opportunity to keep possession going on fourth down the this side of Doug Peterson Sean Payton has been the best at that and so we know the saints will take those chances. It'd be interesting to see if in this game knowing you know how important it is for both teams if Sean mcvay does that as well. That's not been his his. Mo we saw that you know in the saints game last year and last week against Carolina the fourth and one they score touchdown at the end of the game. They're totally ice. FIT KICKS A field goal. I'm interested to see if he does that as well. Let's give you finally turned around. That would certainly help the point. start flowing. I let's talk a little bit about the the raiders there are several raiders fans left in Los Angeles. I work with two of them. Yeah Greg Bergman One George on our way to sixteen and again this year. They're needless to say very excited about the Monday night win but they are facing the chiefs. What's that game. Look like to you a heck of a lot different than the one that we just saw look. I we the rams had Cam Newton last last week. During bounce passes values values Joe FLACCO for the majority of that game was was not great and they will have the polar opposite of that impact homes and that chiefs offense who who they generate more open throws than any offense they have the best scheme and they have a quarterback that Joe FLACCO. The statue that you can't you can't bring tap homes down right. The guy finds a way to get passes off no matter what you do and guys. Heathrow's to can generally make plays so from that side of the ball I would expect something totally different sprint points to be coming quickly but with it that that means that then the onus is on that raiders offense now not to just be consistent and you know thinking dunk the ball down the field. They've got to make explosive plays as well so it should be a lot different when I'm very curious to see how that raiders offense plays a very quick passing game right against the against the broncos and it was effective Derek cars average time to throw two point two one seconds which does the fastest second-fastest in the NFL last week so they do need to push the ball down field. If Bat offensive line doesn't hold up hold onto the ball a little bit longer that that could cause some problems but I would expect more points. What's the impact of the raiders losing Rookie Safety Jonathan Abrams. It's not good you you know. Losing bodies in the secondary never a great thing obviously and you have to bring in guys that can continue to cover either play. you know multiple question which was. I think what Abraham Evans brought right. He could be a guy that you could bring down in the box but you also thought you know he can cover when he needs to so it makes issue a little bit less multifaceted which in the current. NFL what you've gotta be offense but also on defense you gotta be multiple and the chiefs. This will make you pay for that right if you bring in a guy that can only can only stop the runner can only stop the path they will take advantage of that because they have the personnel broncos probably not so much so definitely hurts a little bit sucks to see them go out after one game Georgia. Are you guys at pro football focus figuring that Antonio Brown will figure into that Game Amen I I. I'm just tell me what you think of the game. In general the Patriots are huge favourite but design tonio brown affect the spread at all. I would guess in this game. He's not because there's so much up in the air right and you just have no idea you never really know what the Patriots you know in our projections. He's in there but it's one of those things where we try to take into account a bunch of different variables. One of the more important ones is something that's backward looking in other words. What have you done so so far right. And how do we weigh that and obviously he hasn't been a part of the Patriots yeah so that number is just what the Patriots have been and they're still really freaking good write and that's why it's in eighteen and a half nineteen point spread so in this particular game is probably not something that I would be putting a lot of stock in and I'd more be kind of playing playing you know obviously straight through teams the number I think the totals like forty eight and a half which is maybe a little high considering how hot it's going to be the and how bad the dolphins are but man. I guess is good as mine. I mean I would love to see him play. I think it'd be great but we have no clue so. Let me let me we ask you. It's sort of a general question. If you look through it all your your grades from week. One does one team jump forward as having the most talent well the most talent. is an interesting one the the team that played the best. I think where the New England patriots I mean they were. That was a total performance in every facet. I mean it was incredible. How good the offense Look Tom. Brady had one Kinda the shaky throw there at the beginning of the game but that whole team all around their coverage was I think as good as I have seen you know to start off the season. Usually the Patriots are team team that kind of figure their way out through the course of the season and they try to peek at the right time and that often happens live coverage trying to see who can play what role if coverage spell check has been such a master at but they didn't skip a beat here. I mean they were any seven pass. breakups big band was kept clean most that game. You couldn't find anybody because they were just they can people like glue and that receiving core is not nearly as diminished as people think. Josh Gordon is ridiculously good so I would have to put the the Patriots up there. I think the ravens even obviously we're impressive right but I I'm not going to to fly off the handle after one game because it was also the dolphins I know every team. NFL NFL team but I'd like to see a little more based on state success and how good they look in week one. I think it's the Patriots by Mile All right. Hey George thank you very much for coming coming on. We appreciate it and we will talk to you next week. Always guys enjoy the game. George probably better if we just call him George the because what he said when he the name he pronounced nothing either one of our. We both got it wrong. Yeah we both got but I mean I'm not. I've never claimed to be smart a lot of things but not smart talking about you claim to have attended the Harvard of Northeast Ohio Northwest Ohio please. John Carroll is the Harvard northeastern. We started our. I let me let me tell you oh by the way there was a follow up to what we were talking about before the the Tim Tebow Story and the Stephen a Smith rent comes from Gilbert Arenas I've got that coming up with all people of all people yeah I had Harry. Oh people here here we go it is time Isaac for Mayor audio-video gave us three eighty five inch Sony Four K HCR HDTV's to sell to you guys for the lowest price ever earlier this week. The good news is the three sold out in like a minute the bad news everybody else missed out so here's is a great news. We got three more latest and greatest eighty five inch Sony. No motion blur high dynamic range delivers the best most enhanced detailing tailing contrast for sports and movies if you're one of the first three to call and get thrown by right now you get it for the lowest price on earth this is the spectacular occular eighty five inch. Sony Four K. 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The crazy saints fan coming up and we got fast-track Saints Fan Bottom of the hour and then once we get through Fasttrack we sodano in here and then get Outta here. Yeah sounds good to me. We speed that process way both Friday the thirteenth and a full moon today fraser okay so what's the best horror movie of all time. I have to go exorcist. It creates creeps me out to this day day. Nowadays just doesn't count as a horror movie right all right so I'll say Halloween the first Halloween referring out the shining it's easy. The shining shining is the the framing is a spectacular performance by Jack Nicholson but it's not better than the experts music going the entire time whether no matter what's happening. You're scared the entire time all work freaky. No Play Makes Jack Adult Years Janney Wendy light of my life author perfect Mickelson roles too yeah. He's money in that so are you superstitiously believed that something bad is going to happen. 'cause it's Friday the third time but I do notice that there's a history and it's believed in my household that we always have a fight when there's a full moon in your house you have we have we have a fight. Not I mean nine like disagreement. Not I mean obviously a disagreement. I look it was foaming last name. No it's tonight okay is Friday the thirteenth. NFL mood everything's going everything's gone. Everything's going all right so I mentioned Let me get the post grip on this thing. I mentioned we were talking about. SP Two six the law that passed California Tim Tebow upset about Stephen makes a post on instagram saying this is America. Okay Gilbert Arenas response to that post on Stephen as Graham and says this is America in every school you name. Those players get paid way more anyone. The players are going to Duke without being paid over Kentucky. I know two players in the last five years. That's gotten two hundred thousand to attend the Duke. I've always thought and what's come out in these trials these bachelor by the way how Shawn Miller still has a job at Arizona is one of the great mystery type. His assistant coach agreed the other day that he paid forty grand to get some kid eligible to play in the tournament. I mean I think they'd college. Basketball has always been a cesspool. I assume college football is not far behind it so my guess is a lot of kids did get paid to go to college do get pay still yeah and in the SEC. I think they just look the other way. Yes I agree. That was what was so wrong about. USC getting the book thrown at it and it was basically because Mike Garrett refused to play ball with with the MTA investigation especially when the the actual report showed no linkage between Reggie Bush's stepparent Stepdad having a house in San Diego Oh and Pete Carroll or Mike Garrett knowing about it and even todd McNair stay. I don't believe they knew even tied. mcnerney customers career correct yeah. They said you should have known about it. You should have noticed Reggie. Bush's parents known showing up in all the games driving a brand new car Blah Blah Blah it ah I think as I've said before I would get rid of the NCAA. I think that there are a bunch of bozos who don't do anything but the conference's run it but I'm not so sure the conferences are any cleaner than the NCAA then the conferences would be just as I don't want Larry Scott running the PAC twelve Scott running Tommy's in Westwood Larry Scott has got to be the highest paid guys. GotTa be the worst commissioner in College Sports. If you had to pick between Larry Scott and Roger Goodell to Renier League who you taken neither neither vacant. I think Larry Scott that's wow yeah goodell's more successful but where Dr Scott has not been successful at all got done correctly one yeah he's really got the job and appearing gets paid a lot yeah. He's not gotten anything right. I mean hasn't hasn't gotten fired still most forget. I get the PAC twelve network. Do you get it. I do not because I'm a direct TV but I will tell you this. ESPN is started running ads for that. They're about to get into a carriage dispute with direct TV right if direct TV loses the ESPN channels I think about you think you're out thinking about I've been with direct. I wait a minute you just think you're since nineteen ninety five if you lose ESPN and all of its channels you just think you even you don't automatically switch why I'd have to find out what the status of their agreement is. Time Warner Right. Now is the same dance in a year with Time Warner because that's my other option to us right. Yeah I use Time Warner spectrum and the great thing DirectTV is. It's got a great APP. So you can can watch you can watch anything on my phone with your house. Yes correct that's good yeah but yeah if you know the jerked around with CBS this year the CBS CBS off the board for a couple of weeks right if they go with ESPN. That's it and you can't go on for very long with ESPN. They took CBS off the off the board for two and a half weeks and if if it was animated what's your what's your breaking point. If long will you live without espn before switching not even a week not even a week. I don't think yeah if they pull. ESPN that means they're losing hemorrhaging money direct TV because guys like Bergman that are court cutter. Oh yeah right but I mean the right way to go but if I if they jack around with ESPN done see we've I've already allowed you to do with the the PAC twelve network and with the dodgers network if you with the ESPN. That's it game over said it before. I'll say it again. I I have never had any issue a spectrum. They're people just hate spectrum spectrum for some reason cable cable people or dissatisfied. I know there's been a lot of customer service issues but for the most part you're like five five people. I know that switched and none of the people I know that twitch have had any issues. I've never had the only thing I do right now. I watched Scott Hanson. I wouldn't miss this Ileana a lot yeah. That's that's I love that. Is I see Scott Hanson. Do the reds just reading. I just renewed my red zone channel and get the Red Zone. Max Right cost like five hundred bucks locks. Oh See I get the red zone just as part of my package yeah so my will have to pay a like an extra four or five hundred bucks for that. Oh I pay nothing for it. Yeah bill a much bitter deal so you're paying five hundred dollars for Andrew Cecilie auto. I think I paid three eighty nine or maybe four eighty nine. I can't remember and I got handsome this other stuff. I get you get all the games in half an hour. They all the highlights half an hour or you often to us at a lot like if I'm because like on Sundays days of I don't see games. I'll go back. Oh what let me see highlight so I can talk. What's the rover to either over the average. NFL play lasts like ten ten seconds six six seconds. We're yeah we all sit around for three and a half and you're like you're going to go to the Coliseum at ten year. Leave your outside ten thirty on Sunday up. You're you're GONNA get home at about eight. Seven o'clock at night and really what you would have watched is about one hundred six second-place yeah yeah but it's all the stuff in between mandates eh along. This stuff about men add a football game. That's why you know what don't you ever want to. Just get out there and get in get in it but you gotta remember. I go to one hundred sporting events a year for my job yeah but I mean come on. This is football ready. Come on man. Now I paid to go to games going to games for fun becomes less fun so maybe if I wasn't doing Saddam what do you do you ever go to games just for fun. Yeah I went to the Miami Florida game to start at the college football season but I just for fun right but I I think what he's doing to you. macy's the in the league thing. I'm in the same boat so they're fan. No they'll be one day when I'm not in the league anymore and it'll be interesting. I still want to go to games because I've been to so many games in my life. I think the football on NFL game I would not go to an NFL game. NFL Games at home home are way better to watch college. Football is different because there's different environments different environment to NFL game person NFL mostly in the test. You're just GONNA be the next year when they go into the new stadium because the new stadium claims to have figured all of this stuff out like they're going to have TV screens in front in the seat backs and you're not gonNA have to get up and leave. They're gonNA bring food gigantic. They call it the oculus where you can see the readies Analee Oculus. Has it been delivered yet. Is that's been delivered. I think it has to come coming multiple pieces gigantic the oculus damn cool yeah. It sounds like something in a transformers yeah exactly oculus prime this this this nutjob saints fans coming up crazy saints fan coming on next good for him. He's passionate. After Nico- Komen laid out Tommy Lewis. I think that's his name. Tommy Lee Lewis. Nobody would've got that remembers. That guy put laid out on a waffle house striving billboards all over Atlanta crying about it. Oh Yeah he's doing that sports radio right exactly at the Saints Fan on. Let's get this coming out here for this game. Do you know I don't know the answer. We'll find find out coming up next all right losses of Jacob Variety. Thanks for seven enjoy. I love the Georgia's Gerald Dana I told him. What am I doing here. 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Right now tons of saints fans they've kind of taken over the hotel I joining us right now and we all remember and celebrate the Rams winning the NFC championship game last year down in New Orleans. one guy was not celebrating. He's Saints Fan. Matt Bowers Matt. How are you man thanks for coming on. Hey guys great to be on the show once they John Orland. I loved Your Move Your Front Office at Miami. Oh thank you man. That's that's my brother Jeff. He he basically hand yeah the he basically handed you guys you in every other team in the league anyone they wanted so up. Hey but matt are you now. We're we're just talking about this this this game on Sunday. Are you coming out for this game. Is this a big deal to saints fans. This is the type of game they would travel for. Is it early in season. No I'm not coming to the game. I'm I'm not a Vegan. I was not. I didn't know if and we're going to start off right no good. How can it be there. I'm making a couple of road trips this year going to Chicago and then going up to Charlotte later on in the year but that no I'm not GONNA be at this game sadly that we'll be watching it with about one hundred of my closest friends I wanNA play on my favorite hits won't get straight to the point of call by my last night and obviously a smack desires filming. Put that boy on you're a waffle house fron pan now that is Nicole Roby Coleman who made one of the critical plays in last year the NFC championship game. Where were you when Nicole Roby Coleman made that phenomenal play now I recognize that voice from my commencement commencement address at Yale all right I'll tell you I'll tell you right where I was okay. I was I have a I have a suite of four hundred level suite at about the twenty yard line on the saints side at that end zone. I so so you're that was right. Wow right in front of me and so you know look I mean I can remember. It was sadly sadly. It's like reliving the experience but that we throw the ball at Mike Thomas his feet which was on drew you know when it comes down to third down and we ran a wheel to Tommy. Lewis US and he has may be ball might have been a little bit late coming out but right when the play happened. It was right in front of me. I mean it. It happened in front of everybody in front of fifty million people around the world. I didn't even look for a flag. I looked right over at my wife and my kids that were next to me. It's not said this. We're going to the Super Bowl. It's exactly what I said and then I looked down and there's no flag and then you met you. You knew you didn't need you didn't need a TV TV replay or anything you knew right away that that was Pi. I thought it was I we we didn't we didn't know what it was like for the people in the stadium on TV. It looked like an absolute no brainer that they should have thrown a flag see. I thought if they through the flag I thought it would have been ticky tack Zac. Oh God it was obvious if you were in the stadium that day. They're looking and look y'all know the game. He was a great game. It was loud if you were there. You know we were up early. I'll fake punt. It was Kinda you know drew long kind of Hail. Mary kind of pass the under under through a Ted getting caught it in that moment like wait a minute. We're GONNA win this game. you know and then what happened happened it was it was that so matt after this you your giant Saints Fan. You actually spend some money to put some billboards in Atlanta to call out the fact that the your team the saints should have been there as you look back on it now. Are you glad you spent that money or do. You regret doing that. No I look I would have spent more and I'll tell you now that you know like L. As a great city it's one of the you know one of America's greatest cities one of world's greatest cities. It's you know it's you know people are coming and going people move in town. Lots of jobs are created there in New Orleans. Louisiana is a town really. That's not much bigger population wise in Birmingham. That has international flights. You know so it's very provincial guys. I graduated from High High School with our bartending at the same dachary shop. They were at twenty years so it so if you live in. La Your neighbors your left and right might be bears fans or dolphins fans or maybe a Ram San. If you live or olive every body you know everybody in everybody. They know our Saints Fan. Am Okay you know in so anybody. I said you know last year. I'll say it with you guys today. That honestly asleep anybody would done it. I just had the means and the venue to do it and it was very organic. It wasn't planned out you know it. Just I drove to work the next morning I was listening to the Mike and Mike show or what are the what are the. SPN shows and they were talking about the call in you know with through all the stages I was kinda shocked the night of and then I had I had anger exploring how angry denial need. It sounds like you never got to get you never got to acceptance. No in the lifelong saints they look. I I went to this. I remember when the rams were division back into Vince Ferragamo although Wendell tyler days here they used to drag me to the Superdome we'd go to and fourteen but I was the saints fan and so I know how elusive you know getting to that game aim is God forbid winning it and I got angry you know and that's the main what can I do about this. I knew that like I wasn't one of those guys who thought we were GONNA replay. You play the game none of that. I I yeah yeah. You didn't believe in the lawsuit. You didn't believe there should be you know but I'm GonNa tell you something. I did say this which doesn't make me believe in aliens or anything you think I believe what about the Tel.. You can see right now. Listen I think that the score or the game the time on the clock in the finality of what that call would have met influence that call. I think if that play would have happened in the third quarter the bathrooms here I think with a minute and some change left but wait a minute. What what are you suggesting. What's your conspiracy swap. They swallowed the flag because they didn't want to decide it on a penalty. I think so you know so I've had a lot of people reach out to me. You know former. USFL Rafts Co so you know college referees everybody in you know they talk about things. They don't tell you what the call but they tell you what they don't want to see happen yeah. Hey let me let me ask you uh-huh. Let me speak for a lot of people WANNA ask you. When are you people going to let this go. Go listen. I've already let it go. you know. I I've said when it happened that I would let it go after the super bowl and that's exactly what I did when the Super Bowl it the the billboards came down and that was kind of it you know I didn't you know that's how I kind of dealt with it emotionally where everybody dealt with it differently. Some people boycotted the Super Bowl and all these things I didn't do that. I you know I'm still not you know. It's the game the game thing that happened in this week. Okay so final question talk about the game final question. What will it mean for you as a Saints Fan to see your team lose the rams again. Oh Jeez. You know what I get a feel tomorrow's not I mean at Sunday's not the last. We're going to see geology. I think you're right. I think you're right. all right really good. I think the same is really the rams. The saints are really good. I think we might see again so this. Is this a preview view me all right matt. Thanks good man. Thanks for coming on. You guys all right see yeah he. He's a fun guy to go back and forth they meet again in the NFC championship game. We gotta get something going with Yeah. Absolutely I football season officially here and that means row tailgating. Oh gain you get together with friends. Come over to my house. Watch the game. I got the big screen. I've got the barbecue and you're feeling a little fat. you got the beer belly. You got the love handles. Maybe you got the dreaded moves right now. Newmar would call you out. Yes he would. You've heard me talk about cool sculpting. You've heard me talk about it for years. in the reason I do is because it absolutely works. If you WANNA get rid of that extra cool sculpting is the way to do it and right now doc grant Stevens Marina plastic surgery reducing the cost of cool sculpting by two hundred dollars per cycle just mentioned my name and the football special that means when you go in there you got four cycles a cool sculpting ige at eight hundred bucks off. 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You're you're in the right ballpark so because of the series that was played this year dodger stadium when the Yankees he's won two out of three. It's really they get the the Yankees. Get the tiebreaker so they play the Astros this year. I don't think they did. I don't think that I just played the Astros. I I don't think so I don't think so it would come to some other all right so everybody remembers the chase utley slide that led to brought the shortstops. Lang into Hamas ankle and chase utley of course they invented a brand new rule for this listen. It's been employed ever since seems to be working. Okay Chase Utley was on spectrum yesterday or last night and he was asked if you really hates the mets next question we have for you. Do you really hate the New York mets I do. Ah Perfect answer well think about it. He was four years was pleased played for the Philly's. Yes of course so you would hate the mets based on the geographic rivalry florio question you know people don't know how close Philadelphia and New York and New Jersey all really are s train right and so he he had built in hatred treat and then he came to the dodgers and they developed a rivalry with the mets and he was in the middle of that a one game that we haven't talked about yet today and in fact this guy was such a sensation that both you and I invented games for fast track based on on him for Monday. Kita and Slava's Yeah Keaton Slava's last week shredded Stanford Trojans these are at Byu tomorrow for that team. I never would have thought that team could be three no more. They're not yet. They're not yet yeah but I never would have thought that they could be and if Keaton slow. This is the real deal. It would be amazing. If Somehow Clay Helton finds away to save his job again de well. There was a rumor being re. Dan Patrick reported this morning that he has a source that says one one possibility for USC would be higher Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith right who within brings urban Meyer with him it would be a package deal and then that's how you rebuild football program and the other thing is is it the guy at Washington state eight. Is it Pat Chun. who was that the under armor athletic director of the year last year he came from Ohio State but here's the you're going to have to drag clay Helton right now this job kicking many? Here's what I'm saying. This would be fascinating. What if what if just somehow. USC Wins The PAC twelve yeah okay and goes to the Rose Bowl or let's dream being and says goes to the playoffs you can make a change the what if you're getting urban. Meyer you can't make a change if you if you win the PAC twelve if you go to the BCS how about college football pat nine and three wins the PAC twelve plays in the rose bowl. I don't know how oh you make that. Change going to be hard but I think if you're getting urban Meyer Urban Meyer's career record or his record at Ohio state with something like sixty five and seven yeah I. I think this you're getting urban Meyer. Thing may be premature I do but if you are then Claes dead man walking anyway if he goes nine and three and win the PAC twelve yeah. Let's say wins the Rosebowl to make it harder on US goes nine and three wins. The PAC twelve wins the rosebowl hard firemen. It's really hard to fire but if you're bringing in urban Meyer especially given the schedule Urban Meyer is one of the most successful football coaches of all time. This is a big if yeah I mean everybody everybody all the national media. People seem to have connected these dots because nobody believes urban. Meyer has a pattern he was at Florida. He came up with a personal crisis. He says I'm never for coaching again and in two years later he was at Ohio state. He's got a High A. St comes up with a personal crisis is working for Fox by the way in between Florida and worked a year for ESPN so now he's working at Fox. He's living in Los Angeles. He's out here on the Fox lot and now they need an athletic director and if if it you would agree that if they get gene Smith then you know he's coming right but let's be honest. What have you get Pat Chun. You can hire any athletic director to hire urban. Meyer right it does it. It's not contingent on the athletic drunk. I mean I think they're committee is going to choose an athletic director now if that athletic if Urban Meyer are wants a job. I don't think the athletic director is going to make it a Reagan. I don't think you need Gene Smith to be the Director Freeh. I've urban. Meyer is the head coach so you're not gonNA. Don't let the athletic director handpicked the coach. If it's Urban Meyer than the coach handed Urban Meyer gets handed over no I would assume that there will be there'll be a standard dander process. I the the wire people working under the assumption that Urban Meyer is the next head coach at USC. I just thought he's living in L. A. A. And that's the top five jobs all circumstantial yeah but it's a tough job in no weather so thinking about the top five schools okay the big big schools right urban. Meyer is not going to Michigan. K. Won't even say the word Michigan Right. He's not going to Ohio state right. He's not going to Texas. That's where his friend Tom. Herman is okay. He's not GonNa Notre Dame. Brian Kelly's winning it. I mean he's winning at Notre Dame Brian. Kelly set the one left is USC those are top five jobs in the country and Urban Myers top five coach so that's connecting those dots. He's out of work. He's not coaching. If you get a reminder they should get them but in their private school so all the baggage he brings doesn't matter you don't have to sell it to. I think we found out what baggage means at USC but this isn't USC baggage. This is other baggage. It's this isn't Sark Lane. Pat Haden Lynn Swann you get talked up by all the rich. USC People on your St I do they wanNA admire yeah. No I know but I'm just saying I'm not I mean Dan Patrick. Obviously they wanted. Chip Kelly will dim editors one. WHO's reporting being the gene. Smith is a candidate for the job. If he's coming. He's coming with Urban Meyer so I don't know and then it's pat channel Washington state WHO's a candidate and who's like super-qualified Google read up on him. He he spent fifteen sixteen years at Ohio state but if Clay Elton Wins Wins Tomorrow and then beats eleven ranked Utah next week and then wins at number twenty three Washington the following week as has a bye week and then beats Notre Dame. You don't think that changes minds if he has found this. Is there anything even if if he wins out even if he goes undefeated what his name is big as Urban Meyer urban liars reminders when three National Championships so you're saying he goes undefeated. They make a change. I'm just saying if it's Urban Meyer you can sell that they held into wouldn't have three national champion but if you go to the College Football playoff. You're not making a change at head coach. That's just nonsense okay. That's nonsense right. We'll see college football playoff. Wow your dream is. They went undefeated. That was your yeah but that was your Predator early think Klay as a chance to go to college football player. Premise was if they go undefeated yeah. I wasn't my premise of what I'm saying. I said nine and three win the PAC twelve win the rose mill now. That's what I came up with but the the here's the question. Is there any scenario this season where clay Helton's profile would pass urban. Meyer yes if he goes to the College Football playoff a Ramar. Meyer has three titles again play. Helton goes to College Football playoff. You would not fire Clay Helton to hire urban. Meyer and you'd you have to give them like a five year. Deal is at the end of you know just got Lynn. Swann just paid him for another on heels gave him a big deal. I kinda rooting for him. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. I'm rooting for the Trojans Tomorrow Week. One of the pro football season is in the books and it's going to be a good one. Do you have your tickets yet. If not download the vivid seats APP today and you can earn up to sixteen percent credit on all your ticket purchases including the home opener at the coliseum this weekend from front row on the fifty to upper deck. Vivid seats has got options that fit your needs. Don't get any seat. Get a vivid seat. Fast track is coming next for you. Mason Ireland E._S._p._N. L._A.

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"It's been awhile, man. The same place seem show. I've been good. I was very excited for you to get to go to Boston. And then when lady egg. Well, I don't know if you'll ever go back, but what are the odds? I would go back. The odds of the dodgers and the Red Sox ever meeting again in the World Series in my lifetime, incredibly unlikely. Yeah, incredibly unlikely so the Lakers home to Dallas tonight on Halloween, and we presumptive rookie of the year, Luca dunce, Donncha or Dutch I've heard both what are you run in with probably done to Donaldson. She's here to say. Yeah. But I, you know, they the Lakers have actually been, you know, their point deferential zero point three. Yes, they're scoring a hundred and twenty two point two game. And they're giving up one hundred and twenty two point three. So they're not that far. I mean, they've had three games decided by four points or less. Yeah. But they need to learn how to close closing well and to that point. They've in all five games, they lead or were tied at some point the fourth quarter and could not bring it home. So they're in these games. And there's no reason why they can't finish. But they just have not finished so far. And I guess you guys talked about this yesterday. But I'm curious because I think you were in the locker room when the brunt James talked about patients, and then talked about how you don't wanna see me frustrate kind of like Bruce banner. You don't wanna see me get angry Smith? You don't want to make an enemy wanna make anything out of me now with not he was just answering a question. It didn't seem at all. Like, he wasn't mad. He was just saying you don't wanna see him when he gets mad. Well, he said they are making the same mistake over and over, and that's the definition of insanity which I think by the way comes from twelve step meetings. Right. I think that's where that originated I use it all the time too. But it is it is true doing the same things over and over again. Here's what I here's what I'm curious about the other night Monday Monday night. And I looked this up and studied it Luke twenty five five man groups against Minnesota. That is a lineup every two minutes. Yeah. I understand continuity wise. They didn't have Ingraham for four games. They didn't have Rondo for three games. But still that seems like an awful lot of five man it is. But like I said before I mean you by the way Jimmy Butler announcing today that he's taking time off. Why couldn't you have taken time off against us? Let's taking it up. He's getting traded. But the the I'm I'm taking time off until I get traded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't have done that three days ago. But personally, I think that I said a long I think they're going to start ten and ten I think ten and ten was always the was always the realistic thing because LeBron has always been ten ten when he went back to Cleveland was going eight and three from here. I think they could schedule. Yeah. I saw the schedule. I think they'll be in the neighborhood at ten and ten, but I mean after the year the first year he went back to Cleveland with kyri and Kevin love. Yes. They were nineteen and twenty after thirty nine games. It may be that. It may be. I think they're gonna make the playoffs. I think they're gonna flirt with fifty games. But I don't have we Dowd that to flirt with fifty games from they're going to in fifty. Lose a game to Minnesota without Mitchell. Andrew wiggins. I think well, maybe that means so nothing you've seen has dissuaded you from fifty. No. And nothing I've seen is discouraged me at all. I think that they just need to learn how to close they've been in every game except maybe the Portland opener the Portland opener. I never felt like they're gonna win. Right, right. The other games. I all thought they were gonna win including both San Antonio games. Right there. They right there tonight to good test because they shouldn't have lost Minnesota without Andrew Wiggins. And they really shouldn't lose to Dallas Dallas two and five like they are. Yup. And Dallas doesn't have any quality wins. So let's see in. This is a game at home when the Lakers clearly appear to have more talent. Let's see if they can close. Meanwhile, about the Rams go on for man again Dante Fowler, which is going to be a good edge rusher for them. They really have missed out on having Robert Quinn as one of their edge rushers who they have last year. They traded him to Miami. Both Matt long anchor and Samson eg become have been fairly disappointing as Ed rushers and they're hoping to get something out of dollar. He's generally viewed by the Jacksonville organization is somewhat of a bust. He was a number three overall pick tourism as a as a rookie last year. I think had eight sacks this year just to sack so far, but you plug him in to a contending situation to the best team in the in the league, you got a chance to sort of reinvigorate him and wake him up. I think I like the Fowler pick up, and I think that well, let me just put it this way. The Rams have their toughest game. At least so far this Sunday. Saint have actually now become favored saints by one. Is it the line move that much last time I looked could've swung back. The other way. It could be pick them. I don't know why. But I think the Rams are gonna win mcface twelve and one career on the road. I I think that they went down that's crazy number by the way went down there and preseason and the saints killed them. Rams didn't play anybody. Everybody is picking the saints. If I had to bet this game. I would take the Rams how about you always take the Rams. I'm Rams fan. I'm part of the Ramle. Yeah. But now with your heart who'd he thinks going to win with your head. They're going to I don't think the ramp by the way, the saints minus two now. Okay. I don't think the Rams are going into feed it. I know I do not there's a lesson there somewhere, and it can be this week. Here's here's the thing about it. So we were at this was a crazy weekend. It was at the dodger games. I went to the. Game. And then to the dodger game on Sunday the lung thing I'll say one said why because I get so like. Balled up crazy during a Rams game. And right, and he'll say like, we got a ten point lead. And I'm like, yeah. But it's only a ten point lead, and they're still so I get. So I get like that. I was very mellow during this Green Bay game in part because how long did you stay before you had to leave for the date for the whole thing. I didn't get to the dodger game till the fourth because I wasn't going to leave. The the Rams Green Bay game. Was so tight I was not going to leave that. But you know, what part of it is I mellow because I know they're going to lose at some point. I'm not expecting them to go undefeated wouldn't have surprised me. They not by the way of Aaron Rodgers gets the ball back. I I knew that the Green Bay was going to find a way to win that they were only a field goal away from winning. But they're gonna lose maybe this week. It may be who knows against the lions in a month. They're going to be losses could be against Kansas City in Mexico City. They've got they've got really interesting and tough match-ups coming up where they're facing a string of really good quarterbacks. There's a law somewhere there. I don't know. Exactly where it is. If it happens in New Orleans. Well, it happens in New Orleans. So I went to the saints Viking team Trudell. Yeah. Yeah. The saints are really good. They're good defensively. They have a huge pass rush. The one thing. Minnesota didn't have was an elite running back and Ryan's do like latavius Murray. Had a lot of big runs early. If group that was early. He would have busted a couple of those. Yeah. And the thing that was interesting was the saints defense made Kirk cousins have to brutal turnovers. Yeah. One one fumble in one pick and that killed him. Well, the one thing I'll say is that the Rams offense of line. And I looked at pro football focus on this had its worst game this past week against green defensive the their offense of line. They were all over Jared Goff. I forget the number of sacks. It was either four or five sacks for Jared Goff, which was a season high. So the offensive line needs to be a lot better against the you know, it's weird. I know I know drew Brees is statistics. But I don't necessarily know. How could do Orleans is because I wind up watching the Rams game in the red zone. It's pretty much the Rams game in the red zone. Every single week you sat and watched New Orleans game. So you got a better feel for them. And I think that drew Brees is great Keith nephew. Michael Thomas real. Yeah. And they got kind of a two headed monster with Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram. So they're good. They could win. I just think I think the Rams lots are going to come. If there's even more than the one, I think they're gonna come against teams where we don't see it coming completely great like Arizona or something, you know, like some team that clumps tell you one they're gonna lose one. They're gonna lose to San Francisco in the last weekend of the year when they do what they did last year. Kneecap games are not gonna play anybody in that game. Everything will be solidified. I would assume they'll have the number on C by that point. Let me ask you. This question is Michael would say Clayton Kershaw needs to decide by nine o'clock tomorrow night. If he's updating in or out, what do you think he's? Gonna do. I'll tell you next Mason Ireland ESPN LA. Hey, Tele wean. The song has been big on Halloween since I was about three Halloween used to be my one of my favorite days of the year. Bianca's girls at UCLA would take like traditional cost to us that they would they would go trashy they'd like trashy witch. Correct. Trashy snow was sexy. Well, sex most said slutty, but I can't say that in the metoo era. Oh, you can't all Lisa. Said that this morning. She said, well, yeah. In college. Everybody would go, you know, choose that where they go. Yeah. Us trash trash. Okay. Sexy is okay. Basically any. I'm sexy cats, which sexy, I mean, literally sex dinosaur nurse nurse -actly. That's that's the common. Now, you know, it's disappointing for me is I no matter what I do. I can't seem to get trick or treaters to stop the my how you should go. See Lisa tonight Lakers game. But our house is trick or treat center. I know our our house, I can't get anybody to stop. We're sort of off on the side a little bit and up on a hill. And no, none of the kids make their way up there. We have a pumpkin full of candy every year that we all that me and one wind up eating. Terrible deal for us. Hey, listen during the one PM hour for your chance to win Lakers timber wolves tickets November the seventh when you hear the magic sounder be the seventh caller to eight seven seven seven ten ESPN and you win. And then listen to these Donald showed this Donald show for another chance. So what will Clayton Kershaw do? Yeah. And we'll do you know, I can see all sides of this. So, theoretically, if your shop, you can make more money if you opt out someone yes, someone would give him if he ups out that zeros is contract with the dodgers right now with the dodgers. He has sixty five million over the next two years come into them unless he ops out within the next twenty-four hours. Right. If he opts out that goes away, he becomes an automatic free agent. And I think someone gives him four years one hundred minimum member you Darvish got. Six years one this. So isn't two years sixty five better than four years a hundred because you're locking in sixty five for two years, and you get another bite at the free agent. Apple if you believe that you're still a dominant starting pitcher, which is on. There you go. You just answered your own question. If he is a descending player, which I think we all agree is his problem was he was so high on the mountain that even as a descending player he still has a lot of value. But if you Darvish can get six years one fifty Clayton Kershaw can get four years one hundred in his sleep. And no sixty five million is not the same as one hundred million. It's a thirty five different. Here's what I'm saying. If you can get let's say, you can get two years sixty five and at the end of that two year sixty five you can get three year seventy five while you're making more money because you've. Sixty five locked into the first two years. I'll tell you if he opts out, and here's what I expect to happen. What expect to happen is an announcement? When's the deadline tonight? Tomorrow, he'll do Halloween with his kids tonight and announcing the morning I expected announcement tomorrow. Yeah. That says he's opted out in the dodgers simultaneously made some sort of arrangement to extend him to some degree. All right. So let's say they extend him to what I'm saying. Yeah. All right. And they and they won't take that much of a cut. I think it would probably be four years one twenty. Okay. Let's say he agrees to four years. One twenty is that a smart deal for the dodge knows, right? So don't you agree with me that if Greg disagrees with me here? Okay. If he ops out, I think, they say see, I think they don't even offer him a contract, Greg. You think that's? Not happening. Yeah. No. I think you I think they will offer my contract. I think he's going to be a dodger moving forward. And I think he needs to be a dodge ability. Well, here's here's the argument. Right. The argument is do we care do the dodgers care if Clayton Kershaw pitches for one team his whole career like is that important occur? Shah is out a portent of the dodgers. It doesn't happen. Very often. Yeah. Can I give the honest answer to that -solutely? It shouldn't be important to anybody. I agree. It's he's not Kobe Bryant. He didn't win you five titles. Matter of fact, when you zero there is a he was paid for all those years, he pitched and paid handsomely the dodgers Clayton Kershaw, nothing and clean Kershaw owes. The dodgers nothing agree. It really should be up to Clayton. If he wants to finish his career with the dodgers, I would opt in pitch for two more years and then retire he's at an unbelievable career if he wants to finish his career in Texas where he grew up, and he's always wondered to anyone to go pitch for the Astros. He wants to go see as earned-run average over four in a hitters ballpark. Take one hundred million dollars and go, and I would have I would think of him as the greatest regular season dodger he'll go into the hall of fame as a dodger night. None of that is going to. None of that is going to change. Here's the thing about Kershaw. First of all you're not allowed to be surprised when he gets hurt during the year because he gets hurt during the year. Whether it's. Back or needs an EPA d'oro, or whatever it happens to be that happens every year. Now that's happened for three years running. He's not had thirty plus starts twenty fifteen. You're not allowed to be surprised when he flames out in the postseason. He's just flat out not a good postseason pitcher he through eleven innings and the World Series. He gave up nine earned runs eleven innings nine earned, right? He's not being in pitcher. And he's not a big game. Well, did you say anymore? He postseason records probably five hundred he's nine and ten with four twenty eight yard and that is that is super ordinary. That's richhill. That's rich gave them a great start. I wouldn't have taken him out of the phonetic saying I've started we can get that on the free agent market for a lot less than sixty five. I completely agree with you. But you think they should do? Did you guys dig into the I don't know if it's daybreak Robert's decision or the ritual asking out or what it was? Did you get into that? At all yesterday. I'm just stunned that Greg through a poll and fifty percent of the market wants Dave Roberts fired. I mean what else? Do you want out of a guy? He said three years. He's going. He's been the World Series twice in one that division all three. That's what you try and do and it's not Dave Roberts who's making those decisions thing. I'm fifty fifty on it. That's fine. But I'm fifty five for me. It's a no brainer. You bring them. I mean, here's your alternative you bring in somebody else. But if you think somebody else is going to be more independent thinker that guy gets fired. Well, no, here's here's the thing. I think there needs to be a general reform within the dodgers organization that happening. I don't know that that's true. What interference going to all of a sudden just give up? No. I think Andrew Friedman looks at Alex Cora looks at AJ Hinch and says. Geez. We lost to teams back to back. Who's managers had some independence in their? I think what he will do is do what you always do before this year. I think this year is going to change you forever before this year. You would always make the argument for analytics Friedman would do, and this is Steve Mason argument Freeman would say, well, let me just show you where Hinton core are using analytic. Well, they absolutely are. He's in that camp. But here's the thing Nathan evolved e through what three ninety nine pitches. Right. Any any through in four the five games? I think three of five games. You know, what they were all they went to the mattresses. They went to the mattresses guy, David price through and three three of those games once in relief and once a start on three days rest. For some reason. Pedro by wasn't available for game. For for some reason. Julio reaced wasn't available for game for now. Dave Roberts after game four, which was the monumental collapse. From a four nothing lead claims claims that he was operating from his gut. Do you think he's lying? Yes. Why would he take the fall for? That's the one time. I would like to be puppet guy when everything goes wrong. I'd like to say, well, we stuck with the plan and at that point Dave day, at least at least aver average could be like ventriloquist's dummy, and he could say to prime. Because your part of what you're hired to do. Is towed. The company line. I'll tell you story about that years ago. And I've told you this story before but mostly audience hasn't heard there was a Laker game in Portland right on the last game of the year. And it was Kobe Bryant's greatest regular season finish ever. I've never seen anything like it. They were down three right? And they had no less than a second. And Kobe throws up a circus three pointer and ties it and sends the game to overtime. This was Ruben Patterson hanging all over the game goes over time. And at the end of the overtime. They're down to which is a couple of seconds to go. If you Google Kobe Bryant, Portland buzzer-beaters. We'll come right up. You can watch shots. These are the most amazing jets have ever seen. I one to title game. Right. Second one to win it. Our producer was told by the boss, you will get out of this game within ten seconds. We have a new show coming on right after the Laker game. And we wanna dump the Laker rating into. The new show. Right. I don't care how that game ends. But you are to get out. With is one of the games are on channel nine right? You are to get out with intense. It's like nine on the town or whatever nine on the time. It was some show that they they all had a vested, right? Sure. Tesla. So. Kobe does it's the most unbelievable finish ever and pulse. Underlined and Stu are going. Crazy. I've got Coby on the court and its mass chaos. And I mean, it was unbelievable lead story on every newscast. Right. So we took our time getting out we probably took what about nine in the town. We've probably took. But now when I say, we took her time, we probably took a minute. Okay. Even buried the Koby interview. And ran it later in the news. Okay. So the next day one of the media reporters like Larry Stewart, Tom far called the producer and said, hey, what in the world band? That was Kobe Bryant greatest moment and Ireland standing there with them. Why didn't have g goes because I was under orders to get out that producer was let go the next year for Nyman towing company for not for not likley. Correct. So Dave Roberts was asked. So she did the right thing. She doesn't matter it it. Did the right thing. They did the right thing by getting out of quick lose pasta. Then I came out. And they said said what the real story was right? That's what caused the firing. Now. I think Dave Roberts has meetings with interferon and for his eighty agreed before games. And they talk about if you people think that Dave Roberts continued to bring Ryan mats, and in of his own volition your high. There is no way that didn't come down from the top. Dave Roberts is not going to keep going back to Ryan Madson when he's failed and failed and failed and fill that had to come from Friedman anxiety. Do you disagree with that? I'll tell you. There's no way smart. I am way too smart for you. Although I full with like ninety disguising my voice Monday. So maybe you are nine Lama rotter from Ron from lumber arrives developing very big fan club by. I'm sure he is I guess where they planted on the morning show too. I think they played it on the morning. They made a promo out of it. I know that. All right. Hey, if you can squeeze it. You can freeze it doctrine at Stevens. Marina, plastic surgery. Marina del Rey. The great thing is cool sculpting. I got it. A couple of weeks ago already seen a difference. If you get cool sculpting within about a month, you'll lose one to three inches around your middle. 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Remember free cycle of cool sculpting with the purchase of three cycles. That's value of seven hundred fifty dollars. If you mentioned my name, call him up get a consultation eight five five LA freeze that. It's eight five five L A F R E E Z or go to freeze the fat dot com. Mason Ireland ESPN LA. From the scariest movie ever made why I was at the first Halloween was the best one. This is Halloween, right? Does know isn't this tubular bells from the exorcist? Yeah. Oh, this is from the exorcist. Yeah. That is the scariest movie for me when this movie came out, apparently like people went running from the theater throwing up. That's the famous urban legend the power of Christ compels you. It was the craziest movie wasn't a father Karras, father Karras. He took the fall in that one. Literally, I so you asked me Dave Roberts. It these decisions not to play. You honestly believed that decision not to play max, Muncie and Bellinger in games one and two was made by name that was lineup construction. That was completely the front office, and by the way, Alex cores lineup same thing. Okay. But, but you you don't think the decision to pitch Ryan Mets three games and rose was Dave Roberts Steele. I kinda do I don't I kinda do go back to that. Rich. Do you think who pulled ritual who actually pulled him? That's a good question. I thought that was asinine throwing a one hitter right Roberts says rich hill kind of pulled him. So rich hill said after the sixth inning and ritual confirm this he said. Doc. Keep an eye on me. Let's take batter by battle case. So he walked somebody. And then they took him out. Correct. Now. My argument would be okay. He walks struck somebody out, and then you walk somebody. He's throwing a one hitter. There is now a runner on first. Even if he gives up a home run to the next batter a hit home. You gotta let him pitch at least in the next guy because it won't kill you. But what if Richhill has indicated? And apparently he did that here talent feeling. Yeah. I will left him in regardless of how you feel because like, you know, what happened. Dave Roberts walked out to the mount in ritual, and he was just gonna talk. Yeah. And say I'd say okay ritual San with baseball went off field. Well, Greg that's because this season. Dave Roberts has never ever gone out. Just to talk any season. Not just this season. Any? Any time. Dave Roberts has gone to see retail in the mount he took them out every single time. So why would ritual think he's coming to talk because he said, let's take it batter by bat. Right. But that that he's coming to talk as a lie that's covering up because he'd never ever done it the evidence indicates that what are we talking Greg probably fifty times he's coming to the mound and fifty times he came out even more than five three. So there's a lot of people covering for other people here, I believe that far hands eighty and Andrew Friedman are meeting with Roberts before the game. And it's the movie moneyball example the other day that they want to see certain players in the game. And if Dave Roberts or Philip Seymour Hoffman wants to go another way, they'll get somebody in there that will do their bidding. And it's not just what the dodgers if you look at the salaries of managers across major league baseball. They now make less than college coach. I mean, I think Alex cores like eight hundred grand. Yeah. That college coaches. Steve Alford makes more than two Dave Roberts. I think seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars three times you make more than I mean. That's wrong. Dave Roberts should not make less than me. Yeah. Should not make less than the Laker radio. Play by play. Wouldn't you agree? One hundred percent now, here's where so analytics sometimes there's certain aspects of game where you use it like, for example, lineup construction. Now, I believe that lineup construction for both teams was was done using analytics defensive positioning. Well, I mean all the Red Sox have got those little on their on their wrists. Also telling them where they need to be on any single play. But bullpen us is falls into a different category. And by the way, if it doesn't it should why would argue argued that you would you would have fifty percent analytics fifty percent, gut that was the sense. I got from the Red Sox. And for that matter from the Astor's the dodgers. I get the sense that it's ninety ten. It's ninety percent. Ten percent gut. They need to going back to a point you made earlier they need to reshape that they need to bring it. Back to closer to fifty fifth. Well, they need a manager. Who's got that kind of feel right? And I don't know the Dave Roberts does. But who well, I mean, look where look where Boston went. They went and got AJ Hinch is bench coach last year yesterday success. Boston's bench coach right now. Well, how do you? How do you? How do you get a little that? Magic was toilet. When he left to take the AirAsia job. Right. I would you try would you roll the dice on chase utley? Or does he need to be a bench coach? I I don't even know just I don't even know just chase utley have interest in being managed or. No. I mean, I don't even know saying, that's that's that's the type of guy that's getting hired. That's Aaron Boone that's Alex Cora. Chase utley goes to work at ESPN. Oh, I said David Ross what about? Ross from whoever is an analyst for ESPN who used to play baseball automatically gets a managerial job. Yeah. Buck Showalter, Alex Cora, Dave Ross singleton. There are other guys are working. But you know, what there's something to be said for that look at Steve Kerr eve. Yeah. Kerr watched a lot of basketballs an analyst. And so what do you do you spend a lot of time analyze and stuff? I I don't know. It didn't exactly set the world on fire with Jon Gruden. So maybe approve you are completely wrong about Jon Gruden in. What sense Jon Gruden is going to be successful in Oakland. I saw an interview with him the other day that made me feel better about things it's going to air tomorrow night before the raider Niner game. He doesn't interview with how long and he talks about the fact that. He's he can try and reshape the culture. I don't know if he's going to be successful. I think that trading Khalil Mack for no reason is indefensible done it. He did the right thing by trading. For what for two draft picks for two draft to draft picks. Don't first of all. And I part of he sort of tipped his hand. When he said, do I really wanna lock up eighty five million dollars for an elite defensive player on a terrible team. That's going to be terrible for the next few years. I hope you're right. Jon gruden. He's got three number one draft picks in this upcoming draft. Right. Pull any draft from here. Look, this is what you hire. Jon Gruden hired him for this reason. Yeah. And there's this Jimmy Butler situation going on Jerrell Maury is offering four number ones for Jimmy Butler and people are saying Darryl. More is crazy. Daryl Maury is a genius Daryl Morey knows that. If you look at any draft take the last four drastic the four before that take any combination of the four that fifty percent of those pick stone hit he's selling lottery tickets Jimmy Butler. Look there's no question particularly in the. The NBA Pistone hit in the NFL. You don't really hear about him because a lot of Moore offense lineman. They're defensive lineman that you don't know surprised do during the next break. Pull up any draft, by the way, Alex cores bench. Coach Ron Reynecke former angel coach and Milwaukee men comes from the Mike socia- tree is interesting. Yeah. I wonder if Socia. No, wait a minute. Don't all. I'm wondering the Socia. Would go back to being a coach. In other words, he's managed he successful. He set for life, basically remembered Dunn's Zimmer went back to the bench to be Joe Tories bench coach. Yup. Wonder if social do that? Because then you get run Reynecke and Socia as your bench coach. So he's not making the decisions, but you've got his feel on your bench. And he goes back to the dodgers. I wonder if that would be something people he would even consider only consider the manager job and nothing else. Okay. I don't know. That's out there for for kicks. I think social would be a great analyst. Yeah. He what he'd be good. He'd be a great on a lot of people. Correcting me saying that Kershaw needs to decide by nine o'clock tonight, not nine o'clock tomorrow night, nine o'clock tonight. So we may hear during the show if Clayton Kershaw is opting in or out of his dodger deal, I think might gut feel he ops in. No extension. He ops in with no expansion. He takes two years sixty five and then he'll see where he is in two years. I'm going to say he. You know, what I'm with you. I think he opposite. Yeah. I think you should you start throwing your fastball. Ninety miles an hour. Yeah. He's sexy five million from anywhere. Anyhow, I Mason in Ireland. We we're still getting away per tickets for Lakers versus timber wolves on November seven the return of Jimmy Butler. Maybe yeah. Could be and then also coming up at we think around in the one o'clock hour something back our shun McVeigh and coming up next. I want to ask you about the play Todd Gurley made at the very end of the Rams game on Sunday, which I thought was almost unprecedented and extraordinary girly basically taking a knee to protect the clock and the lead. We'll get into that next. Mason in Ireland ESPN LA who'd okay? So this is Michael Jackson singing the hook Rockwell is remembering that correctly. I think this is Rockwell. I don't think it has anything to do with Michael. That was Michael Jackson singing the hook. He owed a favor to Michael J Dorados. Yeah. So Michael Jackson sings that one line, and that's it. But this is up George. So this is rock whack. Well. Okay. And then they have one in Michael Jackson sings hook knew that. And it turned the song into a giant hit. Because at the time. Michael Jackson was biggest star in the world. And this is the only ninety recorded right here. And just over and over. Yep. One line and turned it into a hit record that is that is a king maker if you cord one. Yeah. And that's it. All right. So you're at the ram game on Sunday. Yes. And it's close they have they have that fumble. At the end of by time, Montgomery and got him sent out a trade. Or else? You would have watched Aaron Rodgers the greatest comeback artists in the world. Go toe to toe with their defense. And I do not think that would have ended voter yet on on route Yasser. So the Rams get the ball back. It's twenty nine twenty seven and Todd Gurley inside of two minutes to go breaks through the line. Yup. He say keep in mind Todd Gurley going for the all-time touchdown record this year. He's the NFL's leading rusher. He's got all he's got an MVP season on the line. And he's barreling into the end zone to put the Rams up eight and the extra point would make it nine but somewhere in his head girly figures out that the extra points aren't automatic anymore that you know, longer kick a twenty yard field goal. It's a thirty three yard field goal and people are missing extra points everywhere. And in the back of his head. He thinks I don't want to chance it. If I go down might team can run out the clock and Rogers never gets the ball, and we never need to you can give him a chance to score eight straight points, and he he kneecaps himself, and he goes down. He now in Vegas. The line was nine. Okay. So so is a Houston in fantasy football. You lost early is one hundred percent of one hundred leagues. So he's playing for every in every fan sitting in the country grilling care about any of that. And so people going ballistic and Matthew berry who's the director fantasy sports at ESPN has this is we've known Matthew for how long since before he started working there. Oh, yeah. He was a caller to my regio, you helping wrote in his own book helped put him on the map. Yeah. I want you to hear this rent and tell me if you've ever heard anything better for Matthew berry than this. And now method fantasy managers who are upset about Todd Gurley kneeling short of the end zone. So you're upset that Todd Gurley cost. You a touchdown by kneeling? I think Todd Gurley. Screw your fantasy team this week. Oh, I'm sorry. Was that hard on you or the previous fifteen touchdowns? He had this season not enough for your precious fantasy team. Is it added that girlie being the number one player overall fantasy this year? Just isn't quite enough. Thirty three point one points out on Sunday before he didn't do it for you. The fact that he's going to second fantasy points this week alone really bothering you couldn't manage to win with that some people pick with Dow cook or Leonard fournette some of us have laid on roster lady on bell in both leagues. So Todd Gurley rent seventeen yards. Knelt tooth any idea. What people would give wouldn't give lady bell run seventeen yards. Neil just want to you. So far. Win in the fridge. David Johnson through seventeen yards runs all year all year fantasy gannett's Todd Gurley. Stop wanting you like kneeling this. How about you kneel down the vanity even have Todd Gurley on your fantasy team. How about that young? This has been a message. That really kneeling sort of. You know, what I thought when he did it. I went that teams that win the Super Bowl have stories like that agree that you see McVeigh McVay, by the way, it's joining us win. Greg like twenty minutes, if one a was static that girlie thought did he say did McVay say, I don't do it or girly? Just don't think. So I think tied. We'll ask we'll, Sean. But I think Todd did it and you see McVeigh on the side nights. Just going crazy cheering for girly. Why go my thought he was going into the end zone. It was far down the other end of the field. And I'm like, oh my God. He just oh, that's so genius. That is such I loved only seen it happened. One other time ever Bryant Westbrook. Remember him for angles. He did it once and kick the ball out of the Cowboys hands. And it was to me it just shows you where their heads are at they winning right wing. Nothing else matters covering the spread doesn't Matt. No matter doesn't matter awards. No matter. None of it. All purpose touchdowns. Doesn't matter. They may new Aaron Rodgers was a magician and they wanted him off the stage and. Super cool to see I does one of my favorite player of the year. It really was because I thought it was height of unselfishness. And it it also nobody would kill them on Zir line. Probably would. Which he basically took out all doubt. Right. Remember member Pete Carroll used to hand up those buttons at USC leave. No doubt, he left. No doubt. He basically said if they don't have the ball. They can't beat us. And then they did to kneel downs Goff to kneel downs after that and they win the game. And I went man how smart is excellent strategically for Todd Gurley. These last couple of wins doing them without Cooper Cup. No, fair Cooper. They're throwing TD's to the backup receivers. Oh, by the way. A keep Toledo is due back on December the second, and they didn't make a trade for a cornerback which seems to indicate and we'll ask Sean about this too seems indicate they feel confident about him being able to come back and be productive. Yeah. I mean, they are just teed up in such a. Great way right now organizationally so well t-the, right? And somebody said to make vais. Hey, if they offer you the moon. I don't know if we can find this where you just ask me. Yeah. If they offer you the moon to take the Cleveland job, would you do it because he didn't go to college in Ohio? Well, he went to Miami of Ohio. I think McVeigh did. Yeah. He did. Right. My and in McVeigh said unless STAN Kroenke doesn't want me anymore. I've got the best job in the league. I've got a great owner. Great GM. I'm not going anywhere unless they get rid of me. Well, my missing some this contract up, but Gruden went from the raiders to the bucks for first round pick around fifteen first round pel. Yeah. Again rams. The Browns would call the Rams and say we'll give you a first round pick for victory half the first round. Yeah. I'm not giving them up. Yeah. It sounds like McVeigh wouldn't even welcome it. He doesn't he doesn't want to pursue it. Why? I mean, he lives in L. He's the king of Elaine eight. No, I think they were basing on the fact that, you know, his his dad is history in the league the Browns are historic franchise, and he'd be I think what they're talking about doing would be given him total control. Like, John Dorsey and him would be is the best coach in LA of all sports. The best of all sports. Yeah. Think about it easy. Yeah. Neither one of the neither one of the best one know one of the hockey. Dave Roberts apparently just wanted to baseball mup-, his Davor our. I think there should be Dave Roberts muppet Italian bitch, Allah. We come up with the Dave Roberts muppet. All right. So coming up next hour and maybe at the top of the hour. Rams coach Sean McVay, and we're expecting some word from Kershaw between now and nine o'clock. I don't know if it'll happen during our show, but we'll know if he's pitches last game for the dodgers coming up and don't forget fifth row Fridays. This Friday, we're giving away a para tickets in the fifth row for an upcoming Lakers game it'll be Lakers blazers on the fourteenth and autograph basketball a super cuts gift card and sherman's club passes for the game. So you get to go to the VIP lounge where all the star saying you gotta be listening every single day this week. They'll be a question from the stuff we say on every day. And if you can answer all five on Friday at two thirty you win this unbelievable opportunity to be in the fifth row to see LeBron and the Lakers. On the fourteenth against the blazers fifth row Fridays. Brought to you by super cots, the stylus at super cuts pay attention to every single detail. We'll get your game ready. Visit super cuts dot com. Mason Ireland ESPN LA.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)

"I hope I hope I hope qualifiers on the back end of that I'm getting my hair done I don't want to get it done crispy is going to be real crispy but it's GonNa be soggy if would most vibrant whoop whoop tomorrow morning because the dodgers are going to be celebrating his art of a couple dancer polls in the gym dance along with some fake hundred dollar bills being pushed hey from I love Lucy basically yes I know but yes it's always funny when a university exactly the sloop is like athletic director whoever's with the director who size off on and she looked at each other and go you do have you had the snoop online and do you know anything about it Lou man so in the basketball world particular college basketball you know they like to put on concerts and midnight madness and all these sort of things so dell's and he's putting out the money that's what you're GonNa get snoops going to be snoop if you go hire a snoop or a ice cube or any sort of now through a fake gun and so they were not very happy with it it was distasteful to allow that Jay Hawk fan base he thinks snoop was gonNA show up and do a Paul Anka Snoop Doggy Dogg from here in southern California competent loan beach you know all the good rap music he'll be listening so he took his act the cat is this university's basketball program and coach Bill Self I think that's always say his name threaten Win Out in reached out to one help you yeah go ahead how about national bring your Teddy Bear to workday Oh stayed at home according according to this article it was the Athletic Department we made it clear the entertainers managers that we expected a clean version the conversation with them is I'm snoop I'm GonNa do what I do they thought he would just go rap and now it's pretty much it but when he put the polls out there in the girls was dancing it is so they obviously didn't have a line of communication with Snoop Snoop said in in his said he was GonNa do I have no idea Paul like in the air warm out there travel top for the game today could like I'll be wearing it at the bar but it's also I don't have a national days because I ripped it out for the committee it'd be a Paul Anka Paul a little wayne he might have some lean up there and everything else what they have Paul Anka for you the show which new 'cause you know what that's not true a clean version of show and took additional steps to communicate this to our fans and grizzly bear to Teddy. Yeah there's a difference hey beer dealer's choice type of whatever you APP or it is there are certain things that you need to look for and understand what's what it's going to be sure you're not bringing a little wayne if a little wayne the sound like whatever that guy is has it wasn't very happy why because rapid like your heart soup dog jumped in they didn't appreciate art where it gets tricky men do I pull them do I let him hit do I not let him hit do I take a shot here do I start a runner do we put on a play those are the decisions this guy was it the student life office that put together because sometimes the student life office we'll get like a graduate assistant oversee them they just run things through and people don't know getting all the details from the performer and they offer a personal apology if they offended anyone in that so I like said perform so when ziggy lit up the blood on stage cut it was like ooh seriously ziggy Marley it knows what is getting and then finds out not getting what it's getting say they say they should have did a better job of vetting the situation a young battery you've got a young pitcher got a young catcher so they're going to be driving the ship today that's the easy part those are the two right down you submit your line of and allow him to catch him even though you giving up some at the plate in terms of the batting side sent okay with that decision I think when you look at it it set up from a pitching standpoint for since opening for somebody else he is the headliner so they went on to also say that they take full responsibility not thoroughly vetting the situation audience enjoyed that no audience enjoyed ideo the fans enjoyed a top recruit that the you know germs spread is found to be made at dodger stadium decisions are already made the decision was made to Pitch Walker Bueller game one with the understanding that if we got to game five he would pitch game five with understanding if it got to game five you'd also have Clayton Kershaw available to come out of the bullpen we know that will smith is going to catch for the dodgers today instead of Russell Martin so very do certain things you look at Smith behind the plate who's going to be calling the game four Buehler that's something that you say okay we paired them together they both it's going to be what gets tricky for Dave Roberts is everything that's going to happen after five thirty seven tonight which by the way can hear the game here on Espn La that's the where you can go bueller six Kershaw to Kinley one and be done if you get up you somehow chase Strasbourg early Martinez is going to have to make the same decisions yes it is different how so Martinez works that's one that's one difference is going to determine whether or not he still here and in those decisions so far it's as far as I've seen the way he's put things together he's made some pretty cool decisions I mean on a clean cool comfortable position either decisions he makes could decide whether or not he's the manager next season okay zengin truly dental D G Get mad mad say I went to a Guy Sir that was at a Christian University and they had invited Ziggy Marley the three of us and everyone else is going to be talking about on Monday morning did you go to Kenley too early did you go too late did you leave him into long Dave Roberts has a whole bunch of decisions to make and Nineteen thirty-one star they were looking in the dugout they're not gonNA do anything other than fire the manager so he's pulled out of a nosedive in very very effect or get him tied up early now Washington may stick with their guy longer even though he looked all the conversations were having about the decisions that Dave Roberts needs to make David clued moving the artists to the final act we move on to the final act so you know what she was gonna get he was going to blow the roof off the top and snoop always a final act he's not ever going to be open so also is a bear oh right bien talking to Keith the third straight year in which he couldn't get it done Dave Roberts is not clay Helton hot seat no but he's not exactly you know coming in they they know what they're doing we're comfortable although Smith is not strong at the plate right now but you know you you've gotta give and take you want your pitcher to be strong so you demint tunnel asked him what he thought he was like men it was fire now he's thinking about going to Kansas because of that so that was key headline in the morning you're listening to K s lose game five when you're the underdog because you know what you are supposed to be supposed to be there for keep in mind keep in mind they were gonNA fire Dave Martinez early this season going on we're not looking at a trend of where he's making a bunch of wack decisions that don't make sense you're just getting beat so now you moving in my what you're GonNa do go hire somebody else's civilly but you could make the argument look we have sugar in Strasbourg and we still didn't get it done there's there's an argument to be made over that I don't know if it's an argument starting welcome Bueller and game one was a smart decision because you got him in five but you also get Kershaw if you need him and I think that was all calculated on wanting to uh-huh so we're basically back to at that point though Elsie and I'm not disagreeing necessarily I'm open to the idea of moving him out but we're just doing it to do it we're doing it for change's sake because with that in mind final score three to the dodgers lose their out nothing catastrophic no decision was made that you look and go what the hell was that you're like a chase utley type new young guy who maybe isn't quite as agreeable off to diamond the other day who can't find a damn hit for the next three seasons we're history to Kershaw who's not trending up training career to our vision was made where everybody get out just they just lose a guy named Stephen Strasburg fourteen guys and they never really threatened to get him out because you know why we're here's compelling as you have a twelve billion dollar roster you've we've given you everything that you want it you have all the time in the world you'd want one hundred six games ooh and it's the easiest way to make a you don't have to trade the contract is smallest out of all of it because the other changes are trickier we're we're we're hitched to AJ three run lead that means there's stuff happening up until that point for you blow it so so then you yank him early there you go there you go the three to nothing he comes throwing Leonard Ten pitches he's just worked and worked he's done right and it's the top of the sixth inning and old twenty two comes out of that bullpen and just blows it you gotTa have different names you know the expectations are different you don't get to win one hundred six games and lose game five home and then everything's cool you get to go on the road up though what Dave is not date isn't safe because if you is in and now it's three to one you gotTa base do you go get Clayton Kershaw after he got an outdoor too because net because here's the here's what you're asking yourself am I gonNa let Clayton Kershaw ending in the wrong direction we've gone gained seven world series five games world series bouncing I but he's not the but he's not the ones swinging a bat against matter three Cy youngs eight all star Games. Mvp Go look at his baseball reference page it's nothing but Boldin numbers he's the best in the business am I pulling him out to put Pedro Byas what if the dodgers walker bill pitched five innings there three to nothing okay say it and and all of a sudden let's say let's say three to nothing he so south that he can't get anything going if he can't get anything going then at that point okay I understand moving but what did you think he was going to do the job as the fire is bad religion you can do it in that religion Travis it's okay a lot of decisions adjustment to not Ozzie Osborne Sharon Osborne turns sixty seven years old all of a sudden he comes in and Buehler's done and he gives up it you know he gives up a home run and then all of a sudden a couple of guys get on base in the no no I get it but he just got off the diarrhea all the time all the reason that we don't like days but sometimes you need a different singer to sing that song in now all of a sudden it's three one minimum base and Kershaw let's tie up to three but if you take him out and you bring in Jose by whoever else in the bullpen unless you think there's a match of going on with whoever's in the pin versus that batter with for one two times where you could bring them in and say he he's pitched Wilson the game my pulling him out to put yours in the game or Majeida or taking kershaw out for no no because even if he gives it up that's the decision if he brings it to good in now all of a sudden you down six three I'd rather take my chances with Kershaw light and give it back rather I rather take my chances kershaw six to three because you brought in Jose Baez whoever else it's three to nothing Clayton kershaw comes into the game it's the sixth inning he walks the first guy the next guy doubles what are you doing keep any many get under badly able I gotta let him get out of because now the next guy comes in there's no out what's WHO's to say unless right so you mentioned it in one ear headlines yesterday the letter from a Penn state volleyball wrestling and basketball and football fan to a player Osborne was quasi athletic put it this way he lasted longer than me don't mean he beat me Oh that's exactly what he was on longer yeah I know and love brings people together and embraces differences black white brown Catholic Jewish or Muslim richer getting me out of the inning then bring somebody else in the inning extent I don't believe that anyone will fault you for taking out Kershaw I don't four rural or urban republican or Democrat long hair short hair no hair they're all in that locker room together teams all over the country are the purest form of humanity that we have we don't judge we embrace differences we live we go away we'll see thought Baluchi angled shot Baluchi okay against him I want him to pitch him I want him to pitch you now you run into your bullpen if you fail the eyeball test you need to make yeah yeah well let's figure out how to make the learn we grow we support and defend each other were family Penn State Football Penn State University and Happy Valley provide or beach alter seventy-three towards the visit Land Rover Newport Beach Dot Com Land Rover above and beyond so see I locked I lost Jack Osbourne and dance with the stars so you know I is planet one hundred ten thousand fans from all different backgrounds throughout our region from all different parts of the state and they're hugging same opportunities to embrace one another twelve Saturdays each fall psu football brings people together like very few things on players that I love and will defend like sons ultimately this is the definition and embodiment of what we are and and high fiving and singing sweet caroline together this is my football this is the game that I love and most importantly my ah well said it was basically racist the head coach of the Penn State Football Program James Franklin he responded to that letter the football that he's a captain he's a Dean's list honor student he's confident he's articulate he's intelligent he's thoughtful he's caring are on the Penn State football team a young man by the name of Jonathan Sutherland who has locks and the letter was basically racist Yes yes if you're cutting he's committed it's got two of the most supportive parents I would be so blessed if my daughters would marry someone with his character integrity one that's a pretty yeah all right Kishan his face remember I know he was on it though he lasted longer than me you got beat by check you're is all about lastly Jonathan Sutherland is one of the most respected players in our program he's the ultimate example of what our program is all about those are as travis mentioned who's not trending up he's not turning out Kershaw's cool man the Kershaw loan her Shaw Stop Right there what about he three I'm okay steal your grasp or at least you had you and you a defence of one of your players and what your football program stands for and I would imagine the person that wrote the letter to Jonathan Sutherland didn't hear award of it no you didn't hear a word colleagues I bet you get to the middle of play for them nobody I know what the Hell Melody Yeah we already know the beginning but this is sandy that is intended all I would just like to see the coaches get the guys cleaned up and not looking like Florida state in Miami guy it doesn't come out and say I hate you but if prince presents these examples and here's here's something that just pinpoints his intent he says he was not that is people in his friends and his family have certainly showed him and told him it it it it look at the end of the day he's an idiot number one freeman send them the letter here at please coach he said he didn't mean for it to be racially insensitive but here's the coded language this this is the beautiful hand of racism because Kazeem Lillard pitch you can live pitch no I'm letting pitches way out of 'em letting finished inning and pitches way out of unless it just goes and I hope that more guys on the team put dreads locks in their hair do it just Make sure they put some moisturizer in and hair boy what about my hair stakes UC UC teach me Orleans. That's right the Sonny and Cher bellio ooh happy birthday Sharon Osborne sixty seven years old birthday brought to you by Jaguar Land Rover one run lead or leading if leading the water bleeding so as a man second I'm woman up some odd has dr which is the wife Yes okay so we didn't have anything fire so we're GONNA play I mean you do a clip from there's no there's no great shares This they play this right before kickoffs in Tampa Bay and now suited hyped it will go because you do they was going down into knock some heads off it gives up a three zero lead you gotta go I don't think anyone would want to say what if that three run lead us now do it where the guy who wrote the letter O cl's Ego knows Eagle finding you know because he's bonded responded and he only I'm willing to try and get yourself out the in on it 'cause you're very specific scenarios not if not you bring in somebody else now all of a sudden that three Oh lady gave up now hugs route now what Ki- showing this guy looks like he's all right well most of them are black okay okay in in it dribbed okay they have grease grills or not I'm just subduing not you I turn to you to grills riven by keys automotive group that's visit keys cars dot com they're pulling down banners they're taking games off TV the Chinese are not looking for a compromise or a middle ground on this they want what they want and the NBA has a decision to make I think trying to not live with the consequences of Darryl Morris comments and rather trying to pretend it never happened and then after the backlash on this side trying to have it both ways the owners of these teams have other businesses and some of these businesses we look at the portfolio involves dealings with China and so a few look at it just my Mba perspective Adam silver very well may be willing to put his money where his mouth is the Adam silver might be willing to say you know what the NBA we don't need your billion mark Cuban may feel differently because it's not just about the mavericks for him as and China is not having they pulled the plug on an NBA cares event with the Lakers today which was supposed to benefit the Special Olympics they said Nope so if we have to live with the consequences and then he goes into you know our long relationship with Chinese NBA fans and or work in China is he will linked to live with the consequences because listening to that listening to Steve Kerr listening to James Harden go over we love China we love China all of this seems like they were aggressively they want Jack Ham Jack Lambert Todd blackledge perfect right there want penn state to look like Penn State WanNa mess with anybody connected to the NBA which way forced owners to decide may need to sell my team so I can go back and make my money here or title he doesn't like that it's such a stupid defense that hey I'm not talking about you know guys with dreadlocks it's not racist I just don't want us to look like Miami and Florida's but the issue is bigger than that in this sense and I said this on CNN International Google's I saw it 'cause you text identity got a blind spot and I don't know if backlash on twitter is going to correct the blind spot but we see it all the time where it well meaning person who does a realize that their race in China as well as the Commissioner has got to happen forty NBA to try to salvage whatever they can in this situation they give up is the bottom line and oh by the way if if you're going to keep him like one thousand a lot of y'all and I'm talking to listeners you're tweeting your disapproval on look in the seventies and eighties they will stay looked like the uniforms right penn state players quote unquote looked a lot different than the rest he has other businesses as well depending on that money and may be afraid that the backlash is going to spill beyond just that that the Chinese government looking go you know what we don't this because they're not thinking of the N. Word in their head but they have these sort of thoughts where they look at you and they characterize you as that but they don't say your hair you don't touch me uh-huh Lebron is a thoughtful Guy Lebron is an somebody that's comfortable speaking out on issues that he's passionate about in the I mean look we heard Steve Kerr Maury Maury for the better good of the NBA even though you're going to get some backlash and all sorts of things because all you care about is the money and going to sacrifice the money I'm making over here from this because I want to keep my team you're asking a lot of capitalist to sacrifice a lot of money which they typically are not very anxious to do up to the cavs on their fingers and everywhere else that's where the Florida state guy looks like Miami Guy Looks right we don't want our guys look like that so there's Adam silver talking about the situation that has arisen in the last four or five days Jaramogi's tweet course started the whole thing I thought it was interesting we said ways and try to placate

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Hour 3: Dave Gettleman

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Fortunately, you're right. That's that's the playoff moment. You'll probably remember more than anything else because this guy is has been wow, I can praise. Frizzle just shot as an what what? Oh. Has been I said he is a great great player or great great point guard or has been known. That is not what you said. Let me hear isn't right. What you put on a tape. You edit clean audio. This really stand. You can't do better than out of context. I was misquoted. Unfortunately, you're right. That's that's the playoff moment. You'll probably remember more than anything else. Because this guy is has been. Where's the edit? I'll tell you what. Even an amateur could hear the editing. About audio no-one Blissett again, and it's obvious and unwanted sent to everybody. Okay. Send it to the jump send it to everybody because it's just shocking commentary from STAN Van Gundy. Unfortunately, you're right. That's that's the playoff moment. You'll probably remember more than anything else because this guy is has been on. Divable? And I'm really really sorry to Chris Paul that I decided again to come on this show. Got his been having something that he's been wanted to wind up here on. I don't have any idea what this is Mike. You know, what's what's his objection is to to Odal Beckham? Because all I've heard him saying the last couple of days out of nowhere is I'm ghetto men. I'm in on get along men. I can we've these two together because I am tired of the criticism of one David gentleman, and I was talking to Billy. And Chris it listen it is time to get a in or get out. Okay. And yet a Lynn we love, Dave gentleman. We love the selection of Daniel jobs. The people criticizing ghetto men who has made a career at doing this. He was signed to be the guy in charge of the football giants. This is one of the story franchises in the NFL. This is Bill Parcells this Bill. Bella check. This is Lawrence Taylor. This is Ben MC. Do this is Harry Carson. This is Gary reason he's short Daniela role. He is a charge of the New York football giants and the people criticizing David gentlemen. No, no, more about Daniel Jones than David Gilman. Does that Galvin knows more via lot than all the people who are criticizing him at his selection of the do quarterback Daniel Jones, listen he wanted Daniel Jones. He knew he was getting mocked for it. He stuck to his plan. He took Daniel Jones the quarterback at do and what he didn't want. Dan was del Beckham junior around to mess with his new quarterbacks. What did he do? He traded Odell Beckham junior only time will tell if David gentleman made the right decision, but he news getting mock fort he stood there, and he did it anyway. And while I'm on the topic of Odell Beckham junior. Can you do your coach, Freddie, kitchen your new coach of? Favor and show off to these voluntary workouts? Gimme a break. It's a complete embarrassment and ode L should be ashamed of himself. You have an opportunity here to show the team to show every to be a leader to be a leader to show the team that you are behind. Freddie kitchens that you are everything the giants said that you weren't. Okay. That you were all the things that giant said, you aren't you are those things you're a leader. You'll show up you'll be there and to put Freddie kitchens in a position. Okay. Because you don't Freddie kitchens is upset. He wants Dell there. That's what coaches what he wants to have his back for Odell and don't make it voluntarily. Do me a favor just act like a professional and a leader for a second. It's a new team. It's a new franchise show them that you care at your way. You do giant fans that they were wrong about you about that. Mike Wenzel or gentle, when's the last time Stu gods? Volunteered for anything. He wasn't being. Good for you ever heard of stupidity. I got a record that today, by the way. Tomorrow. I gotta get to it today. I mean, we had someone was absent yesterday who was supposed to be part of the show. I talked people criticizing you have no idea if Daniel Jones is going to be good Stephen you had no idea. No one has any idea. In fact, the guy with the most informed opinion on all this is David Gilman. He's the head of the football giants. Lisa fired up about this because I like cattleman yet. But kitchens isn't fired up about this. Jarvis Landry is also missing voluntarily is. Now, he is because this is what you want is a coach. Okay. I know we have a coach. Van Gundy, better to get your thoughts on what coaches thing. Listen coaching. It doesn't matter. What level you coach? I coach the best twenty twenty two girls lacrosse team in the country a guy, and this is what you want. You want your best players the very top to buy into what it is. You're doing Odell Beckham junior had that opportunity. What does he do buys out? That's what he does eat. He dentals out. He doesn't show up to Freddie kitchens. Voluntary work is a terrible job. I owed L yet a chance there to prove the giants wrong and prove the Browns, right and beat it for your coach. And that's a horrible job. I l del back junior. You wanna stat? Here's a stat since two thousand eight only one team has won more Super Bowls than New York. Football giants. The patriots Lynn, that's this is eighty six would fill sins ninety one with Jeff Hostetler. This is Eli beating Tom Brady twice as this is a legendary organization, Dan, this is David Tyree. This is Ninety-one. With the Whitney Houston national anthem with a yellow bands around them doing it with their backup quarterback and Gary Reza's. This is the New York football giants, and Dave made is at George of that organization. So someone thinks that David gentleman knows exactly what it is that he's doing STAN how about you. Give us, you know, uninformed opinion on this not always stugatz is right at in that players. Coach's players to come to all of this voluntary stuff. But you're right to like, it's voluntary. And so the way I tried to approach it was to be happy with the guys who came and not get myself all upset about guys who didn't come because it is voluntary. And it's a collectively bargain thing. So that these guys get some time off football's become year round in the NFL. He's guys get no time off. So I can understand why some of them would want to take some time. Stan this is sports radio. Both of us cannot be right? You get out. Aside. I I pick a side. I I mean, I'm not going to Stu gods is right about what the kids want. Nothing wrong. Did. Or stored Duke both be right sports. Rodeo looks through God's measured vision impartial or you gonna learn ROY. The question answer the damn question. You get a or so so so stugatz Guetta Lynn, right? And then yet allow? Is that right? I'm Lynn on making fun of Guetta. Lynn. That isn't it might be getting out. I'm gonna let him dumb making fun of gentlemen. I'm getting Lynn. Come on. We're talking. We're not talking about Gettleman. Now, we're talking about Odal Beckham junior. So really your kitchen in or kitchen. Kitchen. Get you out. All right. I'm kitchen. So you get allowed. No, they don't have anything to do with each other. Everything has something to do with each other. They don't. For Dan to reluctantly take party, something to guts, couldn't be happier doing because if you get a lot with all the guests bags who were commenting about Daniel Jones and mocking David ghetto men, and I'm saying, let's be ghetto in at stop mocking in because he is armed with more formation than we are these people never jokes. Yeah. No, I'm with that. All the way, I could drag it grades the day after a draft in any sport. Have always amazed me because the person giving the grades. It's just basing on how much you agree with them. How much the teams agreed with them? We have nothing to judge it on this guy could go be the rookie of the year next year. You know, and now you won't be able to find any of those people to say I was wrong, by the way if that happens. So you're Lynn kitchen, I'm Lynn and kitchen. Guess how it has been? No. How about I love you? I'm sorry for that cheap show. Has. Didn't say that guy has been oh God. This is Scott Brooks all over again, is it has been you guys are evil tape editors. I'll tell you what. Daniel Jones gonna make more make more playoffs than Eli manning. How about that notice Super Bowl Super Bowl? He's gonna make the playoffs ill. He's going to make the playoffs more than he. I manning ally twice won the Super Bowl twice. I have Daniel jobs baking the playoffs seven times gatlin. For those of you who are just joining us. You may not remember that STAN van Gundy's. Previous most shocking statement before calling. Chris Paul a has been was this. Scott Brooks is an any. He claimed he was edited there to where do you hear the NS? Yes. I was an idiot. That is clean as listen. Listen. Well, that one is a little cleaner. You'd get a little better job. On the Chris Paul would which was a terrible. I would do. So. Yes, saving. You're just not as good and execute. We didn't even play what you said about Chris Paul Two segments ago. I have that audio to unfortunately, you're right. That's that's the playoff moment. You'll probably remember more than anything else because this guy is an idiot. Wow. All my. Wow. I thought it was bad that he called Krystal Aspen. Put it on the poll did stand van Cundy called. Chris Paul a has been idiot. Stu gods here as most of us have found out the hard way getting into debt is easy. Getting out is hard, especially if you're fight go scores and grey sky, high interest rates can make it incredibly hard for you to break out of the revolving debt cycle, thankfully now, there's upstart dot com. 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It's at one file, and you can select the ones that you think you're gonna like if you use. For example, apple podcast is your preferred streaming platform, you can search lebatardshow with space in between and petard hamper sand friends network, you subscribe to that channel feed, and you get all the program that we have. And like Dan says, we understand you can't have time for all of them. But choose what you like base off a description. So I wanna get into this with STAN Van Gundy because it is a race topic and very often when we discuss racial things people get angry at us and wanna fight. But Tim Anderson is talking to Sports Illustrated, and Tim Anderson if you do not know is a very good player for the Chicago White Sox who happens to be black. I was surprised learn that he was black. When I heard the name for the first time. Tim Anderson just like I was surprised to hear the Khalil. Greene was white and kind of a surfer. So Tim Anderson is black and he got suspended for a game during a brawl when he was thrown at he called an opposing player a week bleep bleep N word, and he got a one game suspension, and he's not happy about the one game suspension. And he's saying, quote, that's a word that's in my vocabulary. Speaking of the N word, when's the last time. Joe Torry heard that word Joe Torry is the major league baseball chief baseball officer. And he is saying now, Tim Anderson is he's comparing himself to Jackie Robinson. He says, quote, I kind of feel like today's Jackie Robinson. That's used to say. But it's cool man because he changed the game. And I feel like I'm getting to a point to where I need to change the game. Now, he's right that the people in power punishing him for using that word. When it doesn't belong to them the people in power. He's right. The idea of somebody who's a victim of that word also getting punished for using that word it it. If you had black people in charge, my guess is that that would at least be a discussion where you're like, you know, what we shouldn't also suspend him for this. But I'm curious what your thoughts are there stands? Should it? Be unilateral should be absolute nobody gets to use that word. No, look, I think that you need to have a better understanding of of why that word is used. I think that, you know, having a rule that where there's no do onto no talking to people on something. Like that doesn't make any sense in seems like we could have had a better result. If you're going to have a rule that you're just going to stick to no matter what then I guess the enforcement of it makes sense. But I don't think that should be the case. Does it not make you uncomfortable? Stu got the idea that. You're not glad we're having it. Yeah. It's an important one. I'm glad we are having the idea of a black baseball player being punished for a word that has been used against black baseball players since Jackie Robinson. And the idea that the guys mending out the punishment are white people who are older trying to decide for a younger black person what he can say and how he can play a game that has been lily white starched for a long time and has all its discomforts with Brown and black players being a little bit too flamboyant. I q went on Bill Maher and said you can't use that word. I can and while ice cube doesn't get to decide baseball deciding for Tim Anderson punitively that he can't use that word when baseball's not being run by black people Joe Torry deciding whether or not he can use that word certainly should make people. That's what I'm saying. Just went whenever this is. What happens it happened in your league? Stan I remember it happened to you. They made the dress code at least in part because they didn't want black guys looking like young black guys. And then the heat got fine fine. Because Quinn Richardson came out I wasn't wearing a collared shirt and Quentin Richardson. Hey, what about standing Gundy? Fine him. He's always wearing t shirts underneath his jacket. You remember that? Right. I do Quentin Richardson I of laughed about that numerous times. And look if we go further into this whole thing with the N word. There's a lot of division mainly by age that I've heard. Heard in the NBA based on age from like the guys were coaching like a Bob Makhadov, for instance, on the use of that word and with the younger guys because a lot of the people that I have coached with worked with don't think I should be using that word and a lot of the young guys think it's okay to use it. 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Bryce Harper to the Phillies Emergency Podcast | The Ringer MLB Show

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Bryce Harper to the Phillies Emergency Podcast | The Ringer MLB Show

"Komo. Hey, it's those Kelly. Welcome to the ringer podcast network. This week on the site. Danny Kelly, Robert Mays and Kevin Clark will be offering their takeaways after each day at the NFL combine mile Surrey brings you his ringer guide to streaming and March and Andrew gridiron tells you how to survive the bachelor you can check those out and more on the ringer dot com. Hello and welcome to a special of -mergency edition of the ringer MLB show. It's an emergency emergency Bryce Harper has signed with the Philadelphia Phillies kazaa, live and breathe. This. Freedom and here to talk about how I just did a whole thing. They're here to talk about Bryce Harper signing. Is that cramped Zach thou- something I'm just about this? I have also just eaten dinner after having very low blood sugar while writing about this. So I'm on a high right now. Let's let's take advantage of this. Why don't you kick us off what he signed for? What are the details of the deal is far as we know them. So I think when this news first broke say, it was just that he was going to Philly, and that caused a reaction enough itself after all the drama the last few months, particularly the drama of the last few days, and then the details of the actual contract leaked in its thirteen years three hundred thirty million dollars. So that is I believe tied for the longest deal in major league history. And it is the most total value for any contract in pro sports history. At least in the US at least America North American teams gas. I think it's joint longest with Stanton. I'm like, I've I've hesitated to say, oh, it's the longest because like I wonder if like our remember something about Bob Turley signing a fourteen year deal in nineteen fifty eight. So I don't know definitively. But it's it's tied for the longest in. Recent history, and it has no opt-outs in a no trade clause. So Bryce Harper. Who is you know, he just completed his age twenty five season. He's twenty six years old. He's going to be in Philly, basically till he's forty on, you know, unless he decides he wants differently, and they decide to trade him. But because of those the no trade clause, and the lack of any opt-outs he'll be there for a long time. Yeah. This is a a really long commitment sack. How many voluntary relationships have you had that lasted thirteen years in terms of like jobs or friendships or anything like that? We were talking just like, you know in ringer Moby slack. And then I saw people talking online about just how different everything will be thirteen years from now how different the world is now from thirteen years ago. I think people are overreacting a little bit to the fact that this is thirteen years Manny Machado signed for ten earlier this month and ten is a pretty standard number. For contracts, and I think like ten years for three hundred thirty million people might have thought, oh, this is kind of a little bit of an overpay. But not too much. So then essentially are getting just three extra years for no extra cost. The people are still saying this is a you know, an exorbitant commitment. I'm not sure if that's really the interpretation we should make of it now. And that's the the thrust of my piece it's going up as we record. It's the I made a couple of comparisons one to. Like, let's say that Nolan or not is making thirty two and a half million dollars a year over eight years, and this this Harper contract is essentially adding five years in seventy million dollars onto the end of that. And that's just the price you, you know, the the price of the Phillies were willing to pay to. I think some of this is probably Scott Boras wanting to get the record contract back for the Wasserman group in and Giancarlo Stanton. I think some of this is just the Phillies wanting to put the push down Harper's value against the competitive. Balance tax been reports that this deal is frontloaded which makes sense 'cause Harper's worth more than the twenty five billion in change. He's gonna make every year. He's probably worth thirty thirty five forty million dollars if not more. But this is about like the next seven, you know, between like five at eight years that's going to be the rest of Harper's prime. That's what the Phillies wanted to lock up. And they're you know, the rest is just how however you wanna do. The accounting. So, you know, thirteen years is a long time. We'll see what the economics of baseball look like. But this is they got Bryce Harper. And this is a team that had tons of money to spend that had taught you talked a big game about contending this year, which you know, they haven't had a winning season. I think since at least twenty twelve and they made the plow since twenty eleven is a big market team. They're falling behind the other. You know is the Sixers in eagles have have developed championship contenders. You know, they needed to do something like this. I think it would have been nice for the for the dodgers Ossoli. I think the dodgers should've gone after and we can talk in in some depth about the teams that missed out on them. But the the dodgers should've gone after harbors Harper's soon as a they traded tweeden cap, and instead they went a little bit cheaper. While I went significant cheaper with with AJ Pollock. I think they'll end up regretting that the long term. And I think the giants were in this because there another team with a lot of money to spend. And if they could get Harper at the right price like the Padres did with Machado than so much better. But yet, I I think the, and I think this is the basis of what what Ben's writing. Now that is going to go up later tonight. They. He makes he makes a bigger difference for the Phillies, then any of the other teams were sort of linked with him at the end just for the record. Jon morosi is reporting right now that the dodgers were willing to offer four year deal for forty five million per season that was injured five minutes ago. So if that if that informs your opinion on that last ticket all Batman now that sort of tracks with what Boerse Hussein earlier in the afternoon, they they got a short term deal were worth forty five million dollars a season. And like we've been talking about maybe this direction that teams employers could agree to go where these absolute top players just blow away the current standard for for average annual value on the shorter deals. I don't know if our Harper I might take taken that. But I don't know what he values in what Scott Boris values in. So, you know, clearly like a thirteen year contract is like that's not a an employment agreement that's a marriage. So clearly he's on board with to really be a core. Part of that team for. Forever in, you know, obviously, it my biased opinion, I'm happy. He chose that over over greater short term financial gain. But yeah, it's a it's interesting to see concrete reports of like, this is sort of the traditional super longterm superstar contract, and, you know, have a player turn that down instead of the shorter term deal that, you know, smart baseball folks have been saying would make more sense for teams to offer and make more sense for superstars to accept. And I think that's really interesting in light of the fact that Harper doesn't have an opt-out clause because so many lengthy so many big dollar contracts that have been signed recently have included those even if the player doesn't exercise like Jason Heyward was not exercising. His opt out clause David price to not exercises opt out clause. But even this winter a lot of the big contracts have had Machado's has an opt-out after five years, Illinois or not has an opt out after three. So even if you know, depending on how the market looks in a few years, they won't want to re. Enter free agency in their thirties. The fact that they have the option as I think where I expected baseball contracts to go, it's a very NBA style thing where stars like LeBron James, and Kevin Durant will sign contracts where they can opt out basically every year to keep signing escalating dollar amounts. So the fact that Harper's not even experimenting with that is really interesting to me like you said, Michael maybe this is just because he wanted to get that biggest contract ever like dollar value assigned to it. Of course, that'll probably be a race in a couple of years when Mckee bets and Mike trout, enter free agency. But the very notion that he's making this commitment with basically, no caveats. I think is a reversal of recent trends. Yeah, it's very unusual. And even if you are like, you know, I never thought for a second that Clayton Kershaw was going to leave the dodgers, but he has Yatra he had the opt out and just use that as leverage to to get a little bit. More money like that's the standard operating procedure dating back to Eran. Speaking of big Boris contracts for the twenty superstar position players like it out and just wound up getting a raise in staying in New York. So it's interesting that he didn't get that. And it's so far as far as I know the terms of the deal in terms of year to year breakdown have been released in be interesting to see how frontloaded this deal is. And and what shape the? At the sadly to your salary tastes because I think like a lot of the the visceral negative reaction to the steel is based it's based on two things. One thirteen years is is and like you here thirteen years for Harper. And you don't realize that you know, he is he's going to be younger when his thirteen year deal is up in Miguel Cabrera is when his eight year deal is up you, you know, you don't realize that that the economics of baseball of change that twenty five million dollars a year now is not the same as twenty five million dollars in two thousand seven or two thousand one. That leads into the second point, which is that we see the bat. Like, we were just so used to writing off the back end of big contracts like holes in Cabrera and Ryan Howard. You know disaster though, that was day one in prince fielder, these big sluggers. You you sign them these big deals knowing that the contracts not gonna look good at the end. But you want those prime years how this is different is knows deals in the pool halls in Cabrera contracts, the salaries escalate, so they're at their very highest. I guess this is a hedge against inflation. You know or say the thirty million dollars a year now will be worth less in ten years than it is at the beginning of the contract. Maybe we'll just shift the. Shift the financial burden to the back. But in Harper's case, it goes, the other is so he's going to if these reports are a write these gonna get paid the most when his values highest in the Phillies commitment to winning is the greatest, and I think that just makes sense for everybody. Some of the negative reaction also stems from maybe an overreaction about kind of belittling Harper as a player, I agree with you. I think take you shared on Tuesdays pod that you would prefer to have Machado out of the two of them. And I agree. I think he has a more stable skill set. But I also think that some of the the negative opinions of Harper just stemmed from like looking at his wins above replacement last year which were low, but that was almost entirely because of negative defensive numbers. Ben wrote a pretty convincing piece that a lot of those defensive numbers were just because Harper like wasn't running into walls anymore and wasn't fully exerting himself in not great guy to exert himself on defense, by sure, but we have come full circle from earlier in Harper's career when people are telling him to take it easy. But I think the larger point is that like a staple of sabermetrics one point. Oh, is that defensive statistics are not perfect, and you. You have to judge them over multiple years. And I think people are forgetting that somewhat when they're just looking at his one year sample on defense, and concluding well he's ruined as a defensive player. He's not going to be good for a while. Like, I wonder if the fact that it seems like the National League will gain a designated hitter at some point in the next five years plays into Phillies like risk profile a little bit. It would probably make having a thirty four year old Harper a little more palatable if you don't have to play him in the field. But I also think it's a bit of an overreaction to say that. Well, Harper was worth what like one point three wins above replacement in? In baseball reference war, and like he was three and a half when player on fan grants, which also thought he was a band of like that offensive numbers on him on fan, graphs were so bad. They also look like a like a fluke. But like if you if you re he also played a bunch of centerfield where he's probably not capable of doing that at this point in his career. But if you think he's a minus twenty six run-defender like I dunno. It's Talia and the people the people are using this a bludgeon him tend to be people who are said this in slack, and it came off a strong, but I am emboldened in my Phillies tastes these days. Because Tyler tides is so over the top about it. I said the people who were say this like most of them Couldn't Spell UCR if he spotted them the UN Z, and that's not a serious criticism. If you think it's he's actually a minus twenty or thirty around offender in right field over the long haul. Then we're just. We're just having different conversations. And I'm saying that not to diminish that maybe he's not a good right-field defender. And maybe it's defense isn't gonna isn't gonna age that while all both of those are possibilities. But the bad is so good that it makes up for so much of that. And it really fits with Philadelphia. Because earlier this off season Philly traded a lot of future pieces for what are essentially when now moves obviously, gene cigarette and Andrew mccutchen. And rail new are not one year editions they will be in Philadelphia for the next two years or longer, but like those pieces all made Philly a wildcard contender. But they didn't push them into the zone where it necessarily made sense to trade your top prospect. But Harper is such an important edition for where they are on the wind curve taking them from like an eighty four win. Tune to eighty eight one team is the difference between making the playoffs and not. I was very very down. I think it was the most down out of Eddie buddy in baseball media on the real Muda trade because it it's not like that's not the move. You you make to to put your team over the top. That's the move that you make once you've already got a contending team. And you're just trying to maximize every last bit of your major league roster, and that if they had done those those trae or if they had signed Harper first, and then made the rail Muda trait, it would've made a lot more sense. But that was a huge risk to take not knowing that they could get somebody of Harper's quality and just, you know, look at those three or four guys and how they've transformed the roster. You know, this is such a different team if Mike how Fargo is your second best hitter versus like your sixth or seventh best hitter. And and you put that whole package together. I don't I honestly don't know if I'm going to pick them to win the National League east. I think the Braves are very good in and of only gotten stronger, I think the nationals are going to the. Maturation of Juan Soto is going to allow them to whether Harper's at absence quite well. So like they've still got a long way to go. But they look like they're serious now, and they didn't even twenty four hours ago. One of the stats, I found when I was writing my piece today is that the Phillies who play in the base on park factors. The second most homerun friendly ballpark in the majors only behind Yankee Stadium. But they haven't finished better than fifteenth in home runs in any season since two thousand ten and that's like the Ryan Howard chase utley glory days. So it's been a really long time since Philly had the kind of homerun production. They'll have this year with Harper in resources and all those other guys we've named so just like from the most basic offensive thing, you can do which is Homer in reach base. Harper's one of the best in the game. At that. I think that the Phillies lineup looks a lot better than last year where it was Hoskins and a bunch of guys who were around Lee average. Now, they have. Actual stars. Like, we were talking about different lineup configurations they can make at this point in who knows what will eventually look like who will lead off at cetera. But it's certainly a lot more promising picture than anything. They had last year. Avi wants us to talk about the Ryan Howard comparisons. Bobby who's actually comparing him to Ryan Howard? Is this just like a Debbie Lous people on Twitter thing people on Twitter and also people in ringing. We'll be slack. I mean, no names necessary. But I've seen the the Philly's got burned by a long contract once before and I think that this is a completely different situation. So I'm just wondering what is the proof that it's a different situation. So there's a couple of things one is Harper. It is peak is a galactically better player than than Ryan Howard is let me let me look it up. I think when Howard was this ole or when Ryan Howard was his old as Bryce Harper is now. Yeah. Has he hit idea you're that four hundred career plate appearances? Yeah. So there's that thing they also like there's a difference between Bryce Harper bad defender where like an inconsistent effort, but good athlete in an outfield quarter versus Ryan Howard who not only like his rages as far as he could dive offers space. But also can't throw the ball from. I the second. That's another huge thing. Harbors also better on bass guy. Like Harper didn't have that great offensive year. He only hit about two fifty. And there was all that that talk about how bad he was in the first half. He he still walked one hundred thirty times Howard never walked that much. So the only thing that Howard's really got on Harper is ROY power and Harper does just about everything else better. So let's look at the the Howard contract was what twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. So by that point that was aged thirty two thirty six. What's harper? Harper is going to be in what like as I do math in my head like the years, like six seven eight something like that of his contract. So like imagine that that if they were paying the same amount of money for a better player. But in addition they were also getting the years were Howard bay three all star teams in won the MVP and led the league in home runs twice. So it's just not an apples to apples comparison where the apples apples comparison. I think becomes interesting spinning this forward is does you know, how does this necessarily affect the future market for players like bets and trout, and I think like the Machado contract. Just earlier this month provided a reasonable template for the next Nolan Aaron auto contract we talked about this on Tuesday. But Aaron autos deal was kind of modeled off Machado's. It was to fewer years, but a little extra money per year. Compensate for their difference. In ages. Mookie Betts and Bryce Harper are the same age, Mike trout is one year older, but they don't hit the free agent market for another two years. I don't know Michael do you think this resets the market for them necessarily because I look at someone like trout, and he's so much more valuable, you know, trout's career war is the same as Machado's in Harper's combined. Both of those guys frankly are just in a complete like I think Machado and Harper probably both top ten position players in baseball top top fifteen in Harper's case at the ad salute outside, and you know, bets is in a completely different category. From those guys and transcendent in a completely different category from bets, so you know, the difference between I think when easy way to to sort of do a bad take when it comes to baseball is underestimating the difference between like between trout and bats. And then like, whoever you think that there'd best fire baseball is. 'cause there's a there's huge. Gaps like the gap between one and two is is might be bigger than than the gap between fifteen and fifty. So you're not just like this is not just one class of of superstar like this is you know, Harper Machado is a little bit better than Harper. And then there's a huge gap. Like, I don't know in terms of what I knowing what I know about baseball. Now says it may it's likely that front office is no even more than I do I pay if I'm willing to pay like thirteen years in and three thirty for Harper. I'd go ten you know, ten and five hundred million for trout without breaking a sweat. Well, the question isn't necessarily what you would pay. Yeah. So so to to answer your question, I think I don't know if it sets the market, I think it stabilizes a market because it reinforces that these three hundred billion dollar deals are out there for the for the very top tier free agents. And I was. Sure that because we were we were seeing deals with, you know, with Kershaw, and and STAN improve holes and Cabrera and prince fielder again, you know, the we're seeing like two hundred million dollar deal sort of creeping up back to the ceiling that a rod set in two thousand seven and then the bottom fell outta the free agent market a couple years ago, so and last year's classes pretty weak. But now like we're seeing that if nothing else plight, you know, the very top end players haven't lost that much ground. So, you know, I I don't know if you asked me three years ago what I thought Harper again, I thought he would get probably like ten four hundred and travel get something like ten five hundred but just so hard to predict right now. Yeah, I think it's important to note on that last point that it's great to see that players like Harper and Machado, and I guess aeronautic with his new contract are receiving essentially in range of. What they deserve based on their production. But I think calling like pointing to the last week and a half of contracts doesn't true that the free agent market, isn't ness-. It's not not broken, and that isn't just because players like Craig kimbrel and Dallas kaikal are still searching for contracts. It isn't even just because players are signing players are being forced to sign. Minor league deals. In addition for spots and players like Adam Jones, haven't even had a chance to do that yet. It's because like Bryce Harper many Machado are phenomenal players. And I think we'll talk about the teams that missed out on Harper and a second. But the fact that we're only like two or three teams even trying to sign him is indicative of a problem in and of itself, it's the problems haven't gone away. But at least it feels like we're actually talking about baseball again, which I'll I will gladly take in terms of short term relief. All right. Let's we're going to when we get that on. On tuesday. We're going to talk about whatever contract details. Bubble up in. We'll get his take on this whole thing. So we still got playing more to discuss but just to wrap up here. You know, what are your thoughts on the dodgers giants? You know, the the teams that missed missed out on Harper. I think we both wrote in separate pieces earlier this offseason that it would be a pretty disappointing development. If the dodgers traded tweet and traded Alex wood traded Matt Kemp and use sort of that flexibility Justice signed AJ Pollock in Egypt politics. Good player. But that's exactly what happened and congratulations to the dodgers who will be under the luxury tax once again. That's great news for the fans who haven't seen their team win a World Series in thirty years. And I think I don't know, that's my opinion of the dodgers. Like, they'll still win the lowest west because the rest of the division is fairly weaken. They have such a strong core. But Harper would have really improved that team? And you know, the giants sort of felt. Like optimistic to me. I think I've said this a couple of minutes ago, but like the Padres just discovered the price was right for Machado. I think if the giants said discovered the price was right for Harper than that would have been the biggest reason for them to pursue him. 'cause they're they're still a few years away. They're still tearing down. So they could build back up poor smashmouth. Oh, man. Big big week for smashmouth. I'm very excited not to talk about smashmouth again for for quite some time. They almost broke you. So I'm what a turnaround like forty eight hours take. And then after that happened like we spent all weeded, but but you guys spent all day talking about smashmouth on slack. But we've actually got baseball talk about which is nice. All right. I'm going to stop rambling, and we're gonna get this pot out into the ether, and we will discuss this in more depth than I think greater coherence on Tuesday. But until then Zach thanks for for joining. Thank you. Go. Celebrate.

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Strokes, Ranked

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Strokes, Ranked

"Dead cast is brought to you. In part by lifeproof makers of action ready phone cases designed to let you live full time. So what does it mean to live fulltime first surfboard shaper abor it means getting up before work to finish off the final sanding for musician. It's pulling an all nighter to dial in and for podcast sir. It's spending every free minute recording interviewing and mixing feed hungry families living full time as making time to pursue what you love and lifeproof keeps you creating with cases that protect your most valuable tools your phone whether it's waterproof free the agile next or the streamline slam lifeproof cases let you do what you do without hesitation so my friends start dr living full time go to lifeproof dot com slash dead cast and say fifteen percent on your life proof case <music> <music> thumbed back having some filled they have still as back back and said dead drew. Roth you ready for a little flirty summer fun bag. It was fun and flirty like a fun summer. Look that we can play with indeed like i i have my my son dressed on my coral sandals and i'm skipping across the beach ready to have the summer hunt. You look amazing man. I know that i don't say that every time we record and i can't see you because we're not in the same room. That sounds incredible. Yes it's a great great. Look embarrassed by the time you listen to this. I will literally be at the beach and what i do now. The beach is i stand on the shore and yeah well. I go into the ocean sometimes because i like going in the ocean but also if i see a dolphin and like a dolphin jumping far away i'm like oh my god dolphins dolphins dolphins. It's incredible that your 'cause every beach has a guy like that and i'm glad it's you <hes> even good eyesight. Call your if you say there's dolphins like its on distinctive and people will hear it but that's a good type of guy to be on the beach. I worried in in the past about like what type of person i'd become like if i was like i i think what i was like. Invite early twenties i. I've read the nine eleven report after september eleventh. I certainly read that on a beach. The beach read read moby dick and i think that's who i wanted to be just like an unbearable. I but i'm going to the beach as like wow this wow you like going through like wow. It's a real potboiler. Some there's some photos which can never be released of my sister and i reading it in pretending to crack up uh-huh because they're like like my wife has seen them. I don't know that my parents will ever be allowed to see them. They're still out there somewhere but <hes> they must never be released amazingly approach it just <hes> not problematic. That's real real twenty-three-year-old davey hours taligent stuff from an intelligent guy. I will never read that report but i was told that it was actually quite compelling in like generally well written for a dry government yeah. It was super read. I mean obviously looming tower or something is better because it wasn't written by you. You know i can bowls or whatever but of course it's good leg. It's definitely at the time. I read a lot of stuff about. How did this happen. And how can we prevent it from happening again and <hes> and it worked. It seems like everything's been fine since then so i'm glad i read it but it feels kind of academic. Now you know it's nothing. Nothing says some are fun more than talking on lord. We're taking your calls. We are raising none in the chugging massive acts of domestic terrorism jet fuel can't melt this fun by the way by the time this time this post beat the beach by will also have been coming off of career surgery. It's gonna don't worry biotic. Yeah knock on wood but i will have had ear surgery and i. I have to ask the doctor after the surgery. If i can go to the beach like i can go to a beach but i want to go by the ocean with a small head suture yeah. I'm interested to see what they will say. After the fact that's a good way to sort of set the table for asking if you can podcast to because they'll be like no obviously not and then you could be like. I have this other thing thing that i do every week. Ray gonna podcast and say poo poo and pee pee my buddy. Can i do that and they'd be like all right. Well sure but just not in the water yeah yeah i. I suspect that they'll i'm going to have to spend my time at the beach being like my grandma back when she was alive and shoots put on like the shower cap <hes> swim laps at like two inches an hour and keep her nickname keep her head above water but like her entire nick to you like like like the only like the water rose through like her breast bone and like that was it. What was she doing that. She was that that far out of the water just like laps it was it was a while ago. I mean it was if she's she's my grandma. I xe swimming almost exclusively breaststroke because it's the easiest glass decorating the one that i actually do in the ocean too because i don't have time to pretend that i'm like get that strongest swimmer in some way watch. I'm trying to get from here to there. You know may i ask. Could we rank the strokes before we do some fun bill. It would be delightful although i should probably recuse myself because i don't know how to do butterfly yeah but that's okay okay. That's all right. I don't know how to drive stick shift in a car. That's pairs so <hes> and we've already been over the fact that i can't whistle or snap. My fingers like normal. I guess what's good is our listeners now know about most of my defects i. I don't know if that's yeah. I know so many more defects to to learn about <hes> f you take this journey together but yeah are we making the strokes in terms of most pleasurable to do. Yes most pleasurable to do. Yes not in terms of like fastest because we yeah okay so my number one's breastroke. Mhm obviously are you are you okay with restroom is excellent the only competitor for me. There's backstroke which i think is cool sell. I'm gonna tell you something. I fucking fucking hate during the backside. It's a great it's like you. Can you feel like you're lying down but you're not you you sorta do but it's like especially if you're a swim meet and you're doing it. You guys were all the time about whether or not you're bash your head into a follow yeah yeah all right. That's fair and like or if you're gonna if you're gonna reach back and your break your wrists smack in the fucking concrete and all that so how to actual backstroke guys not do that. They're just they've done it so much. I think instinctively they have an instinct for knowing where they are in the pool council learning process. That's a fair point. Though breastroke is cooled. It feels like it's like a fun type of exercise to do and you can't use a grandma version where you're just like you can carry on a conversation the whole time while you do it you. You know what's better than backstroke is also hearing about backstroke is like you float. You're really float. You still get water. You know oh yeah it coming up messy. I think that's part what i like about. It is that it's like it's basically indistinguishable from like a just flailing around except for you do move like i liked like when i was a little kid kid i would like to be in the meats and like i would freak out during the baxter grace because i was like i would look like i'm backing up a car like to make sure i knew where the wall was at all times or like i would smack the lane line and and like all this stuff like you know what's better than backstroke. Is elementary yeah hell yet. I was hoping you'd say that elementary back stroke is the i think. The chiller stroke side strokes the even close yes the the <hes> the the back breast draw as it were. That's the very that's relaxing. I'm in the ocean and go on my back elementary back stroke. I'm not going to regular. I'm not gonna do you know what are you trying to win a silver medal at the olympics you weenie no. It's like elementary back. Stroke is basically just acting like jellyfish. That is extremely if we're allowed to frank that would be my number two. It's tight up with that number. Two and i'm gonna put freestyle number three in a book regular backstroke number. That's fair freestyles cool. I just again. I never was like a good enough swimmer that i did it. In a way that like i was never going totally straight. I was always getting some water in the various is not as fun. Do you do the freestyle. I do where you actually you. Don't were you keep your head above water. I mean when i was like and likes learning how to do it. You know they tried to do it. The right way and i sucked at it so yeah now. I sure i do it yeah so like if i'm doing in the ocean i do free sound like i'm to freestyle for a second and like like my head underwater for three seconds but then i'm like back then my neck water and i'm like turning with my arms like we woo. That's what are you. Who are you trying to prove something to. They are like just because you could doesn't mean that like i if i'm in the ocean. I'd like to know what's going on around me. If i'm going to swim into a large family or of whale well i like doing that thing where you serve you wade into the surf or you're running into the surf and then you do like a very very flat die because you don't want to hurt it yourself obvious server cheesy shallow dive under wave and then you do like three vigorous turns of freestyle like as a sorta warm up to to get it out away from the breakers and stuff like that so and then and then i can then i can just try yeah which is all. I mean that's like again. Most of it's not as obnoxious as the nine eleven report thing but like that's what i do when i go in the water at the beach is like go someplace and then like tread water and talk to somebody about the same thing. I'd talking to them about if we were sitting on a towel twenty yards away but you know we're we're wet. There should be elementary backstroke in the olympics. I would i would definitely watch it if there were if there was a an individual medley that was like elementary backstroke side stroke and then some sort of like advanced dog paddle thing for for sure where where would if we could put sides joke in here and which doggy paddle in here where would where would side stroke. Would that go above freestyle. I'm not sure i don't think so because freestyles fun side stroke is cool but it's definitely like energy saver mood lake to get from here to there. I'll probably i mean i think now that i'm at the stage of my life where i'm not trying to outswim anybody. <hes> you know what give your late thirties. You don't get in as many races a. I don't think that i do that many strokes more than i do the side stroke but it's not like it's just the thing that you do if you have to move out of the way somebody yeah yeah that sounds about right all right so i got breastroke elementary backstroke freestyle and then i believe side sidestroked then backstroke then backstroke and then butter. I barely counts. Can you actually do the butterfly. Yes i can do the butterfly but <hes> as i is on twitter i can do it like i can do to turn before exhau- its exhaust. It's insanely. Exhausted looks really cool and you feel really cool when you're doing it when you're bringing both arms ford and you're on the butterfly but really are mothra but it's <hes> it's incredibly fatiguing and i don't know how olympians do it. I i am mm aghast basically every muscle that you have into like and they'll do like a hundred and it's like like just one lengths of the pool. Just at twenty five would be just agonized do four four legs to two full laps. Just just can't even imagine. I'm not gonna do it again. It's helpful to me that <hes> i was. I never learned you know. I think like my dad was a high school and it was important to him that you know that i learn how to do that stuff and then i think at some point it was why well he's not going to sink if i put them in a pool. This kid is not going to the olympics. There's reason to teach him the butterfly. I'm going to go back to my book and and that's let me show you realize how it went. Let me ask you. Could you do it just <hes>. Could you learn by watching. Could you try it at the beach when you go to the beach. I mean you try to imagine how funny that would be though yes i yes. I absolutely could try to do it but it would also look like a fucking grand. Mal seizure like there's no yeah whatever there's a thin line. I mean even when you do it right. It kind of looks like a more graceful than usual seizure well. I like this. I was gonna actually. I was tweet this while i was stoned but i'm glad we made a whole podcast me lead the podcast by the way i know we're factor in doggy paddle breath but i changed my mind because i don't do doggie pat. I haven't done it. I mean it's the thing you. I don't think anybody has done it since they were little kids yeah. I don't i'm sure i we know how to do it like i know how tread water your especially treadmill training warranty. You're moving forward so once you're at adult dog paddle won't get you where you wanna go. Oh no t rex arms. You can't move a whole bulky beefy blogger body across a body of water. Let's take a break and come back over to the fun back. In marvel studios of injures endgame the remaining avengers must overcome the aftermath of destruction and face their biggest challenge yet finding the resolve within themselves to defeat thanos once and for all the world's greatest heroes will finally understand just how fragile reality is and the sacrifices that must be made may to uphold it in a story of friendship teamwork in setting aside differences to overcome an impossible obstacle get vendors in game now on blu ray and digital new on four k ultra h._d. Let's open up the bags this from from stephen who i've gotten forbes's question but i <hes> i still like it. Stephen writes an i have an advanced degree spent years in grad school post doc and currently work as a medical researcher searcher. I've spent thousands of hours of my life reading scientific papers analyzing data but let's say a parallel time line all the time and effort into being a football general assistant eating the tape and jon gruden helpless whiteboards. Could i have made it as an n._f._l. Coordinator or coach some forms bernie adams. We have so many bums rocks n._f._l. Coaches purely because smart people don't pursue careers coaching or they somehow we'd all the smart ones out could stephen the football coach without ever having played the game same role so i think stephen sounds like a pretty smart guy <hes> yes. I'm inclined to say not just because he's a dead cast listener correspondent. I think the answer is yes and i think you may be would have a hard time with some of the cultural stuff i mean. I think that's always been the the issue with like i remember. There was one major league manager. That like didn't play <hes> like even minor league ball. You've been like you you know assistant that was respected and all that and i think it just didn't it didn't work for him. I guess because he was managing the blue jays but also because it's just that's hard i think that's the only element lament that you couldn't really figure out over the course of years of study that likes identifying patterns and systems and like like learning their responses to them like yeah i think so i mean and the biggest argument for that is that like if jim tomasulo can do it well enough to remain employed then like stephen the medical researcher with like i got to say his chances are probably good yeah. I think that's probably right. Let me i think there are examples of coaches who don't have a playing career but i just can't think fan i thought matt patricia might have been one but he did play at at r._p._i. Yeah that's up. Brian bill might have been one because he started off and p._r. But <hes> but no he did he did kit al davis play and who's the g._m. In terms of being able to identify stuff there are a lot of guys sure but i think that the billick is it was a good guy to think about just in general but yeah very much seems sorta guy like some of it certainly like the the belichick thing is all all about having gone to some obnoxious. New england liberal arts school. Yes he went to westland and he did indeed play football. Where did man genius go. Oh that's questioning. There's all these guys don't look like people that played football well. That's just it yeah. I think i think it helps to have i think first of all it just helps on a basic level of played the game because that's true of anything. It's you know more about if you do it. That's very basic. I think in the in the in the case of football there is a will you never played the game sorta much easier. Yeah cop shit infiltrates the whole enterprise that makes it hard that makes it less likely for like <hes> a john podesta type to come in and and to boss people around you there's g._m. Or as a coach without without strictly purely out of research and not having had their their hand. You know what i i'd actually add one caveat to my answer because i think that's a really good point. I think you couldn't be position coach. If you hadn't played the game but i think you could be you like a general assistant type like if you're dealing if you're managing up to the coach and not like telling like correcting lineman on their technique that i don't think you could do if you you hadn't played like not eat doesn't mean you have to have been an offensive lineman to coach offensive lineman but like it sure seems like it would help right yeah. I think i think you could could do is you could definitely get in on the ground floor like middle school or high school like as an assistant or something like that and they build a career from there without having have a playing resume but you know you wouldn't instantly just like college and like and like go hardcore tape for five years and then be like go to identify headquarters and be. I'm ready to be an assistant yet. It's not like i watched people. That'd be fucking gerry faust first then you can. Maybe bill writes in whenever never i see sean. Payton on t._v. Has just the punishable phase of ever seen now that i condone violence granted i'm from atlanta or i said to my sister-in-law before knowing what he looked like she saw him on screen with that smirk and you absolutely know the one i'm talking about and she said that must be sean payton. His face looks punch so i need to know in your expert opinion who has the most punishable face in sports that we can do violence in all of sports in all sports and please. You cannot bring bring your prejudices to this like you can't say trevor bauer because trevor bowers out. I was thinking when he was talking about peyton. I was thinking about n._f._l. Coaches in its shink as it. There's no mike mccarthy now. It's true it's true. There is no my view always had. I think like that like a real element there. I mean it's kind of weird because i like him but like jim harbaugh. I think john harbaugh has a more yeah. Well yeah sean mugger mugger like jim is actually just like a like a crazy guy yet. Jim like always has his mouth open like he's processing like it's it's. His face is often the prescreened face when he's screaming. He's got the screaming face but it always looks like he's like formulating the reason to getting ready. I think the n._f._l. Coaches especially like this is a it's a complicated thing because there's the guys that are like they're constantly yelling unbalanced but then there are also the ones that look look like <hes> they style themselves as like a conservative members of congress like a john harbaugh sorta thing like that different level of of obnoxiousness snus what about sam darnold because he looks like me and i know no come on man. If anything i would i would love to. I'd buy him an ice cream. What about big ben there you go. That's a good one yeah i would love. I love to turn that face into a bag can ground show a bunch. I mean of all those guys do like. I like liked cutler in a way but that was a guy whose whole persona was like the dude you want to hit oh. Oh yeah yeah. I love cutler definitely comfortable face. Oh and you know who else does is drew lock so we can get your your drew lock tape breakdown breakdown now that you watched him in the hall of fame game. Would you see i i first of all. He wasn't accurate at all. It was very well and i said he looked like the lovechild of cutler and <hes> with someone else was james our it was not james holes our yeah shit. This is the part of the podcast where i go around looking searching your own. I wrote the love child of grit orig- jay cutler and grayson allen you grayson allen man holy shit yeah. I left you out of duke guys out of the punch ability thing because i was still thinking about the n._f._l. N._f._l. but you know what's funny is now the j._j. Rennick has respectable n._b._a. N._b._a. player and and brooklyn and over micromanaging imagine brooklyn parents like high fracking ta guy like along the duke is not within him yeah like i like. I don't i don't see j._j. Oregan automatically be enraged the way i did it too. It's incredible that that is that j._j. Getting asleep full of religious tattoos and becoming a hyperactive p. t. a private school parent in brooklyn somehow may j._j. Redick less punishable how it's r- amazing. How do you do it. You know duke just by law. Has some of the most punishable faces not only cherokee parks coach k. himself yeah oh yeah what about philip rivers. I you know a little bit but at the same time like i feel like you can't chance it mobile under one of those guys that i also clandestinely. I like them absolutely like absolutely see. He's a lovable bastard but he's got totally punishable his thing. I think it was you that told me about this. I always understood that he was good but i never understood <hes> like how anybody dealt with him because he seems like it. Just a crazy person and i think it was either. It was like he's actually supposed to be funny right yeah fun. That's like the thing that's what like bonds bonds teammates to him because otherwise the idea of like a guy shows up in the huddle and he's dressed like <hes> like every time philip rivers isn't playing football. He dresses like a henchman in in fucking roadhouse string tie on and like a polo shirt somehow with the bolo tyler. He's just like everything's wrong yeah. He's a pair of khakis but he doesn't always dress that way it is i mean he's i. I think the ways in which he's weird after he retires. Maybe they'll be one of those as you know like when a team finishes disappointing season. There's like one of those stories that like details all the shit that happened in the locker room that you can report during the year like the national law got one of those every every year. Philip rivers retires and everyone could finally talk about all like how weird he was. I think that story is gonna like. I'm gonna like light some candles and just read that shit. I'm gonna give you three more in the n._f._l. Because i'm way to n._f._l. Heading there i got ally uh-huh dan snyder and of course kirk. I have two yeah dan. Snyder is a very good choice. I mean once you introduce owners to the whole thing yeah yeah you don't wanna hit robert kraft and yet you kind of. Do you know what she did. Give me some baseball names but before i do i think i think think the big winner in all of sports and i can't believe nothing if some golfers too but <hes> sure there's golf's in there but the one that stands out in my mind is draymond donned who just got yeah. He looks like he wants you to do it. Yeah carter the secret to the whole thing. It's part of the appeal. It's like look. I can punch him in the face. He won't even be mad yeah. So why don't i just do that so as far as his gaze mcgann it. Is you know what you're you. Don't fall into his trap for for baseball. I i mean like chase dot leah's retired and i'm very biased on that but like just the name chase utley by itself and then also the fact that he was like this weird like red ass vegan vegan who <hes> spiked people like that's that's in there but one of those guys i actually kind of like people that have always sort of like as a mets fan and the people that have been conditioned to find punishable cole hamels or chase utley like i kind of liked cole hamels. He's got that like sort of smug preppy be looked to him but it's like i mean i think maybe we need to get to like a a a definition of punch ability for me. It's about appearing really smug and having kind of like a resting smirk face. I don't know i think of it that way. Somebody's by us think of like doc like a mouth breather yeah so that's i guess we're just and that make really just look fucking stupid so there's a lot of those in baseball. Yes yes why yes there are ryan. Braun fits under the sort of the smug thing and again another guy that i always kinda liked but as like a sort of a steroid user who has a lot of like <hes> like expensive t. shirts that also somehow look like tap out t shirts like that you know qualifies. That's hot yeah it is. It's not a lot of people can pull that off yeah. Weirdly the yankees are pretty light on now and again like i like him and he's a met but todd frazier. There's a guy like always looks like he's doing some rowdy and his mouth is constantly open <hes> yeah and he is a he actually both pretty punishable guys <music> a really do sincerely want to punch each other. It seems yeah well. We should make that would be really nice for everybody dana white how 'bout them i would yeah rear naked choke. He's at that. I will like u._f._c. vibe there too. It's a good thing that all of those people working work in getting punched business because there's a hold like different trench of like punishable flat brim kelly dude. There's so many of them. I think that you have seen w. W. w. e. sort of cast for that w._w._e. More so because they literally cast but like it's like you know. Does this guy have the inherent like find punch ability to be just in instinctive thing. The way obscenity is so it's like person just naturally gin up feelings news of violence when i look yeah wrestling. They're always have to be a couple of guys that are like that yeah most like. Let's take a break. Come right back back. Adam writes in have you ever had the experience of ruining solan for yourself. I remember feeling feeling like a serious critical announced to myself that had made the perfect pop song in take on me now. I can't even listen like as he god because he like diagrammed it too much. I don't know i actually i do have a story about this but if you ever ruined a song for your cell i'm sure i have yeah well just by listening to stuff too much well no but that doesn't count <hes> you know everyone. Everybody plays a song into the ground and then they can't ever listen to again like i can never listen to like fountains away again for that reason i maybe it's weird like in terms of like over thinking it to the point where i'm no longer getting the pleasure from it that i used to get. I think i've been pretty good about like pumping the brakes on that so like while i'm sure i have because anything if the question begins have you ever ruined and then it refers to so you the answer with me is almost always going to be yes shit but i can't specifically think of a song at this moment that like i completely trashed for myself i karaoke once not that carioca train not the one where almost died but ages ago is in some i was was in some private room with like my wife and a bunch of her friends and i put on. I put on desire by u._2. And saying that and got like all i'm doing like i was really drunk and i was listening to myself sing. It and i'm like you're doing this fucking horrible yeah. You're doing a really bad job and ever since then whenever i hear the song song it's a good song like you know. You're like hiring out your performance of it in your head. I'm not hearing it but i'm thinking about the fact that no one said anything to me but i'm sure there are like druce gone way too overboard. That's so incredible you. You cringed yourself out of liking. That's i mean that's how you would do it. That's how you personally would do it but it is also how one would do it. That's incredible. I respect that sells also like those also during bano is just a generally insufferable man but he has like define periods of in suffer ability yes and like desires during the round era when he was like perhaps his most intolerable because he was doing that jack white thing where he thinks he's like a blues yeah yeah yeah we're like fringe fringed jackets and stuff and it's and so makes me think that and so it's like oh really sinks infant that is because i one hundred percent agree that that is the most unbearable version of bono but then consider that he came back with the wraparound shades like the blue blocker bio of like was it though also like the arch like berlin bano is i mean and i love those records. We were listening to that. We listen to zero when we were driving around in maine and its remains like it's a very good record to drive around to. I like that record but that's also a preposterous artistic statement for people who are way out over their skis in terms of how young they are like. He i remember during that phase and i i really light oxygen baby. We sound like sports. I remember <hes> welcome back to. There was one time during the grammy's were bano won a <hes>. He won the trophy in these keep doing what we can to focus the mainstream. Oh my god no and then also he was the guy who who inducted bob marley the rock and roll hall of fame posthumously and i showed this albert benico nico he nearly but he was like at the end at the end of the bano put like jamaican accent and he was roster man shaman augmon jamaica and her by cheered and it was like oh god sweet baby he's thinking about. It is <music> very unpleasant drew. I don't care for even a little bit dude. If you watch it i i did i did. I did show albert he was like oh my god gracious <music> the idea. I mean think about how much you have to be feeling yourself to do that. Like first of all to be like well reggae legend like i should probably do that should be the one inducting him me the the irish rock. I'm the guy wrote a war and boy like those are things that i suppose bob. Marley also wrote about let's do that but then to put the that is not to get too like bill bill simmons on you but that is like a heat check of all checks the idea of the i'm almost done. I haven't embarrassed everybody too much so far so like time time to say ira accent it was it was uncomfortable as like the the nightclub speech laurence fishburne gives in matrix to like it's just it was just that like where you just want to leave the won. The gold standard for that to me is <hes>. Have you ever listened to like tom. Sharply breaking down billy crystal's jazzman routine no but i i can already sense that that that would not be all boy like this something after katrina. There is like a big like one of those. There's like a comedy cares things. There is a name for him. I forget what it was called. Relief and billy crystal went out there and did a whole routine didn't even have any jokes in it in like a louis armstrong voice yeah and you knew what it is and one point. He's at the toilet toilet so it was sounded like turlough it. I think about that like once a week fucking hate it yeah. I could see that that would be bad well now. You've ruined billy crystal for me and i was just so terrible. You'll never see forget paris the same way <hes> second break finish up <hes> we're back closer closing up before beach time body me writes in and i do know the answer. This is there anything left. I can do that would make me the first man in history of mankind deborah. Her has has everything already been done. It's not a raven done. The team is silly. Goose yeah roth. What are you definitely their stuff to do not just because we keep inventing and do things but like yeah. There's i mean most of them are bad. Probably most of them are bad or most of them are unrealistic like like you could say well. You'll be the first man to fly well. That's right less not going to happen so but the minesweeper i answer sir was the first set for the mars that hasn't happened so yeah <hes> that seemed like a very obvious but then in terms of like actual accomplishments here on earth. It's it's like as long as there are some new things to do. It's a lot of them are are really bad yeah or like or just very ordinary. You don't even realize it like if you're the first man to eat a perfectly square cheeto yeah you know you may not realize just an anomaly in the bag. Just very basic jason or you might have walked somewhere. No-one else's walked not because you're like sir edmund hillary or some shit like that but you just happen to have trod upon a piece of lancaster bertha's very big as many people on it. It has not all been covered by human footprints so you might have walked somewhere. No one else has walked. I have not because i'm a suburbia rebellious. I this is the sort of thing that i like because i have a child's mind. I still think about stuff like this but it's like everywhere. There's nowhere that i been. That's like really even very hard to get to yeah. No idea like walking around in like acadia or whatever and be like. I don't know if anyone's ever picked these blueberries before. It's like a fucking fucking dutch guy. Did it earlier that day because he woke up earlier than you as a and it's like a better acre. It's almost too specific as like you. I was at acadia acadia national park. Just this past weekend and i did deep pick a blueberry and of course i was a first man history mankind to eat that particular blueberry at that time but no one else will ever get to do it but that doesn't mean check yeah. That's why there's so many blueberries. It's a pretty large park. Chris rights into actors and actresses and t._v. And movies use their own own phones or there's a scene that requires them to be talking on a cell phone or do you think they use a prop though chris i i hate to tell you chris yes. It would be cool if they did. I feel like there's there's you read about stuff. Sometimes we're like actors wear their own clothes in a movie yes yes. I have heard of that. Yes i remember the one that i remember was <hes> after reservoir dogs like when michael madsen was briefly a big thing like tarantino man those are all his shirts these like translucent bowling shirts with like sleeveless undershirts underneath and like yeah. I believe that that's i think michael madsen probably still dresses that way but like it's amazing mike michael madsen is either in a tarintino movie or in like one of nine thousand directive ilyin yeah like don the dragon wilson action movies replaced catcher number is incredible because he was. I think people thought he was going to be a big star and it's like he can really only do like one of two. Do things kind of like look like fat elvis and like kinda look skeptical yeah or just beat the shit out but it's like yeah you can definitely want him to do too much and you're not quentin tarantino like you should be making your movie in like belarus just to make sure vital questions question two weeks from a._j. Jay just trump like weird al yankovic no i bet he has i think he probably has some sort of feud with al yankovic yeah yeah i think he would instinctively any sort of parody he would just find unserious in unaccepta- he's a nasty man and yeah and it's serious and whatever yeah oh i actually confirm a red. <hes> is sort of sacrifice. I make for the podcast the the cover story in new york magazine this but ever. It's a biweekly. I guess is about ivanka and it's pretty unbearable but it does does confirm. I believe we had a question some weeks ago about whether trump has ever changed diaper and in the story it is mentioned that he never tainted diaper not just because donner eric either that in fact he lived on a different floor from them and that his relationship with them is that he would get up super early and and then the kids would be brought to him before they went to school and he'd be like don't fuck up and then they would just go then they would go and that was it that sounds about right yeah. I could see see him like like looking over his kids like a dog. Show judge like feeling their coats in like making sure they're nuts are like hanging yeah and then that's in the news in the past for sure the the yankovic. I don't think the yankovic ever made a song about trump but i think that like the fact that we're all yankovic looks silly and has like i bet like. I don't think that trump thinks that people that have curly hair. I don't think he respects them. Yeah no i agree with that. I i am virtually virtually certain that al yankovic who was a comedy byproduct of the eighties has made trump joke in his yeah 'cause they're five million trump jokes most of the may by billy crystal crystal right so i i just i can't imagine the estimate and honestly it only takes one like as long as if trump heard it like game over its you're never coming back. Doc shows produced by director of audio monday in the feeder future abuser by coburn. Haste gibson was mixed by ethel of course you know send send a voice don't removed the guests discipline dot com for tweet us using the hash tag gerard gashed sufficed apple podcasts panoply n._p._r. One where rush podcast enjoy your summer fun. I'll see see you next week wrought by uh-huh.

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Mason and Ireland [hr 1]

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland [hr 1]

"I'm worrying a suit isn't just for job interviews anymore. It's a lifestyle and HP the new line of men's suiting only at Saks Fifth, and as p is modern suiting designed for your active lifestyle. Elevate your student game with HP shop online or find a store near you at Saks Fifth dot com. No, no, no. It's. Hanging today. Well, it's a mix right is disappointed. It's like this. There's anger there's depression. There's there's pissed off nece, right? There's a little bit of a festivus vibe though. Like the airing of grievances. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Because people are mad. I'm mad. You're mad. I'm personally wins mad. I'm mad. I am nad Mad Max. So first of all. Where do you start? Let's start. With Dave, rob. Okay. We're else would we start? Oh, but with Dave Roberts. If you're just tuning in tuning in, you know, the dodgers won the World Series lost the. They did not win that it was projected. They did not win the they lost the World Series. And and I'm completely gassed because I went to all three games knows that the Rams game yesterday. So I'm just running on pure pure coffee, right down. So. I I have a hard time not blaming a C. I blame Dave Roberts. Yes. And I blame Clayton Kershaw. He's a good day for a blame pie. I have a pie. You're saying the blame pot. You didn't know you didn't creator and originator great day. And drew bland pie was invented by the candidates. He brothers specifically need four days. Like today. We're time bullet people blame must be assigned. I think Dave Roberts is on that list. I think Klay Kurt Clayton Kershaw is on that list. Do not keep the front office off your blame pop. No, no. No, no. They're they're very they're big in a lot of the Dave Roberts stuff is front office. Now, it's related to the front office. Yes. First of all, we should talk. About the craziest world ser-. I would say the two craziest World Series games. I've been to last year game five in Houston, which oh, thank you Clayton Kershaw. Again, the thirteen to twelve and then Friday night the eighteen inning game. Which ended like I'm going to start on a cheery note ended like this game. Them up the eighteenth inning. Nathan call has been terrific, wonderful brilliant. Here's max Muncie. Flies. Fantastic. You know, I feel like dieters lasted to the and it was full. It was hill full. And if you were there for the twelfth you were there for the eighteen you were hanging in everybody hung in there. I feel like if they were smart, and they really maybe dug into the numbers would've said, you know, what it's not gonna get any better than this. Let's just call it. You guys win two one say the series over. Sure, I mean, it wasn't that was it was it was all depression and doom after the thirteenth inning. We had an air. Then they after that game the mud the Muncie. Home run was here. They come. They're much momentum's. Yes. The the Red Sox hold pitching staff has been on this past dick, and, you know, Nathan evolve the through seven innings or whatever was done seven pitches. I'm like you've blown him out for the series. So then can't then came game for and let's face it. It all comes down to game for on Saturday night. Dave roberts. Dave roberts. The dodgers. Take a four nothing lead on Yossi. Oh, Puig's three run home run. And it looks great at that point. Then we get to the seventh inning. And now there's some debate on this dodgers leading four nothing Richhill has thrown a spectacular game. And with one out and one runner on Dave Roberts, walks to the mount and polls Richhill. Now. All kinds of debate. After the game. Dave Roberts said after the sixth inning Richhill came to him and said keep an eye on me. Let's take it batter by data. When Dave Roberts comes to the mound in the seventh inning ritual. Just handsome the ball and goes to the dugout. Did he pull rich hill? He did. But did Richhill in some way t- up being asked out well hill came back. When he was asked about again yesterday. Yeah. Because the first night he did not dispute the rally sorted. He told him what was going on. But then I think he he he didn't dispute these said keep an eye on me. Let's go back to battle and all that kind of stuff. And then I think the the next day came along. And he realized what that was being interpreted as which was hey, I'm I'm out of gas. You might and really what it was just saying was I'm trying to make sure I'm not being selfish. No, I can go rice the worst thing. A player continued to a pitcher can do say, I'm fine good when whether or not, and it's like, you know, I'm getting to that place where you need to watch me didn't say I'm done. I'm gassed first sign of trouble. You gotta lift me. Whatever you just said keep an eye on me trying to be a good team player, which is what Richhill is. Yes. I what I what do we think? Greg. Two. I did is it. Is it possible that Richhill did ask out? No, no, no, absolutely. Not do you believe the conversation happened where he said keep an eye on me. Let's take this batter by batter. Yes. I think that they absolutely had that is that not a way of teeing up asking out. He's had some issues in the past being brought out of the game too early especially last year. Plenty rolling. And I think it was very much. Like, look, I'm not going to be selfish. If you need if you see me in trouble, take me out. So let me be the judge my own done a walk. There's also and there was some miscommunication here because just because Dave Roberts went to the mound. Didn't mean he was pulling Richhill because he had not signalled to Penn yet for the hill Alexander. Oh, God hill assume that he was going to be taking Sumed. He was Dave Roberts in his entire time with the dodgers has never come out to talk to Richard. It's only been to take him out of the game. Okay. So now, we're talking about a communication thing and feel thing on the part of Davor. Yes, he goes to Scott Alexsandr who and you know, the president of the Scott Alexander fan club. Is it ain't you? Birdman? That's I mean, it's a little bit pushing it all year long. I said I said I liked and that's your boy scout percent, I did like Scott Alexander. Pedro by this year. He was I'm glad that you found a spot for him. And and so Scott all exander comes in and just walks. Four pitch walk. They go four pitch wa especially after game three. There's no reason for him to come back in that situation out at all. So then comes in with two runners on the mighty Ryan Matt's who's been nothing, but great in the World Series of highly highly flammable. He allowed every inherited runner score. And Roberts goes to him any immediately gives up three run bomb to Mitch Moreland. Who that makes a score four to three? Now, why the hell is it Ryan Matson? Why is it Alexander in? Matson you're in the seventh inning. You've got to lead. You should be playing this like hill absolutely one Morrow hill ninety one pitches to that point. So it wasn't like he was at one hundred twenty nine or some crazy. So one polls hill, then he goes to the two wrong relievers he presses to wrong buttons. And all the sudden it's four to three. And I'm sorry. This is where. This is a spot for Pedro bias Pedro bias who's been. They're most reliable reliever really through the second half of the season and through the playoff, correct? And after the game Robert says will he wasn't available, and I'm like snake evolved e just threw seven innings. Yes. After throwing through innings and their two things about this. That drive me insane. The first one is the idea that by is not available. Pedro comes to you that nine says doc because that's what they call the clock. I can't can't can't do it tonight through twenty six last night. Doc. I I can't do it. I'm throwing forty one pitches in this series. No, no, oh, by the way, Johnson get the hell out of here with your Red Sox jersey. Seriously, John chin, you you. You're just you know, what you are John your salt in the wound is what you why walked up to Johnston, the world's that's from two thousand seven maybe Carter. Yeah. I walked up to Johnston this morning. I said, hey, man. Congratulations your team. Well, and he looks at me. And he goes there's another another name for dodger blue blue takes on another new meaning today. It's like really I was being nice to you. You know, what I say to Johnson get out of here. But go f yourself. Which way is exactly what I would have said to Pedro Baya's. He says, I'm not I can't go tonight get your Gleason glove, go to too, much, doc. No. I can't do it. You are. Meanwhile, the Red Sox David price on three days rest up and throws in the middle. Everybody's ready. Oh, and it's all day. But this is the thing that in the moment, I was like how could buy as not be available because like everyone can leave did a two out two inning. Save the attempted at least in game three, right? He's ready to come back for the six out saving game for whatever. It is by his can't. But if that's the case, if you know by is unavailable if you know Madsen is literally allowed every runner he's seen to score. Maybe they were thinking the analytic said he was due like, nobody gives up one hundred percent of their inherited this this point just if Dave Roberts making the wrong move, Abe Robert said after the game, I went mostly by wheels. We with feeding. Your deal. You have. No, why would he take the hit nother words at that point? Make me a puppet, I was just no you made every cove, and it was in your guy. This gets a larger issue. We'll get to the larger issue. You know, if you know that by is unavailable. And you know that Ryan Madson is literally like gasoline to a flame. Yeah. Why why their whole hill? Yeah. Isn't hill? Your best pitcher at that point still. Yeah. It does come down to what those conversations were between, Dave Robertson Richhill. It it really does. It does. I so I wanna do a couple of things first of all more of game four coming up. I'm not done with game for. No, no. With game for I don't think I'll ever be done for is one that will cause the everlasting gob stopper. It was the it was the backbreaker. But I wanna I wanna tell you one thing. The first of all the Lakers are in Minnesota tonight. Yes, we've got our fifth row Fridays this week, which means that every single day this week. So there will be a quiz question. And if you can answer all five questions on Friday, you will win fifth row tickets to the Lakers blazers game. So you'll sit in the fifth row for the game. You'll get an autograph basketball you will get sherman's club passes. Which are that's the VIP lounge were all the stars attend and you'll get a super cuts gift card all that stuff. And that means there will be something we say today that will be on that quiz, or listen, very very closely. Fifth row Fridays. Brought to you by super-coach, the stylus at super cots, pay attention to every detail. We'll get you game ready. Visit super cuts dot com. I also think this is a day when we can take some calls because I want some angry rabid pissed off dodger fan, and you're worried they might not have an outlet. The station the dodgers on LA LA, LA what a great good. You know, what they call the good job? Good effort next day. Dave Robertson next year. Good job could offer. That's all right Kirsch. You're the greatest pitcher on the planet. That's right. No, you're going to get truth here crew anger truth. An eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. Mason Ireland Brian Chemnitz gained for Johnny ESPN LA. ESPN a lion. Mason Ireland is a depressing Monday. But you know, what I will mention Rams wanna thriller yesterday. Twenty eight twenty six games a great game. Oh so much. It was it was a fun game. But we're focused on the dodgers and the calamitous finish. I don't know if that's word, but it sounds like should be calamitous finish to the twenty eight team season. We're we're we game four or we still in game four. Yes, we are. So we all agree that seventh inning was just a mess was just a an eft up mass on the part of Dave Roberts. And he says it was all in his gut. That's the one time. I'd say ham a puppet, I'm just doing what I'm told. I would actually show up with the strings still attached to which is which is worse thing being in your gut or Andrew Friedman tone. You went to do. In that case, Andrew Friedman. Tony went to do. So we get to the eighth inning. And we get the the kenley Jansen six out. Save attempt. Now, I have never seen kenley Jansen with a six out save. I've seen him with four out save. I've never seen him with zigzag last year. They can't there were couple of them last year. Five outs was the most. I can if you can give me five you can give me six. No. If you can. Rancher whatever Pedro Butto. Oh, yes. In the eighth Kershaw. Kenley in the heart of the reason the bullpen was torched. All this stuff that happens. And I'm glad you brought this up Steve all this stuff that happens in game four because Pedro buys is relies oriented is not available at all these because he went to kenley for six out safe. When by presumably was available ready to go the track record of kenley, not quite being guy right now who can get your six outs, by the way. How's that conversation? Go between Pedro bias and Dave Roberts. Does Dave Roberts. Look at him and say, you're not available or you through what was it twenty six pitches last night. So we're not gonna go to you. Or is it Pedro bias, San doc? I can't go. I don't know. I don't know either. I I'm okay with them saying orients is not available. He's twenty two or but whatever three preservation of thirty five pitches in the entire series preservation of this kid. I get it whatever. Then don't put him on the roster. I think is a different question. But then get. Yeah. Then let's be honest. Does anybody really care? I mean native all these going into free agent year, and it's throwing nine thousand pitches a game. Yeah. By the way, last pitch of the game on his last pitch ninety nine bucks an hour. Given how patient all of us organizationally those who have to watch him and all the big with Pedro bias. I feel like you can give us one extra day. But like about like if you pitch by in the eighth of game three you may not need to go eighteen innings. Correct. You may not need game. Gave everybody burn everybody that. And so guys are available all these other things and that to me is just as bad a decision to just go to kenley for six outs than it was to pull hill. When all you have are gasoline aeriens in the bullpen to come in. And try to relieve hill so kenley Jansen. Two. Steve. Y'all to the MVP Pierce who had three home runs including two last night. Greg says Ben in law Maradas. Excellent. Ben, you're on ESPN LA. What's up, man? Yeah. First time caller longtime listener our mission should be fired. Dave Robert should be fired. Andrew Friedman fire. David vast save fired everyone fired over the this is a nasty way that do firing. Mason's, Mr. analytics wants to study analytics all the time, go with Janssen, go with analytics, let me tell you something that is not an lyrics. No analytic say kenley Jansen should go in for a six out save. That's either that that's that's either Dave Roberts on feel Friedman saying put chancing in but that has nothing to do with analytics that has to do with understanding your players in understanding your bullpen in the way it works. What do you have against guys with gray hair? You have gray hair. Chase Nutley should have been on the postseason roster World Series champion. He were saved. I'll tell you that that you lost me that you have. Wait a minute. But you, but he's got a really good point. I mean about shea subtly. He couldn't have been worse than the players. They tried it out there in the World Series Muncie to thirty five doll- two hundred Machado one eighty to screw Machado get out of town. Glowna bubble on his way to first base key k one thirty three Kemp one eleven Jaakko eighty three every time, you know, that now say you telling me that that chase utley wouldn't have been better than some of those guys actually better than key. K key. K was a message the plate and absolute mess at the play. Listen, Ben as far as me being fired. I'm not gonna. Because we all know you left the game early early on. What night? What were they? Here's what I here's what I would record. Here's what I would recommend. Here's what I would recommend. Here's what I would recommend. Ben, go to my Twitter timeline and watch my video of the end of the game. Okay. Watch my video of max months. He's home run my ass. I left that game early. God I feel like I'm doing a show in Philly. I would also like to you. He I I sound I would like to point out the dodgers have not won a World Series since Greg started his show. Good point. Yeah. Why isn't Greg fired? Because there was no breaking blue podcast. I'm sure the breaking blue podcast carried us through game seven last year. We didn't do it in the postseason bent from brings some he fire everybody. Yeah. Let's let let's bring the fastball, man. Are we done with game for you? I don't even know came three. Yeah. You just got me all riled up about game. Three again. I'm angry about that. Yeah. And if you're a really good call only really good calls in. Okay, only like really really good calls with a lot of pissed off energy. Just just frigging bring it today. And we're not going to sugar coat it. We're not gonna make it sound. La, LA, LA, guys. We were three games. All the way a couple breaks here and there where the number two nationally champs. No, you go to another stage. Another flag to paint on the dugout. We have Ireland online seven John Ireland line seventy or on the ESPN LA. What's up? No morada. You were Ben from lung or oughta? That. In that dumb. Don't ever us underestimate nice. Depend. You were banned from Veronica what Brian new. I did not know. Those brilliant that was John Ireland as Ben for one Murata. That's one of your finest moments in the history. Joan we all know we all want. It was John if you'd gone full man, we would have been able to figure it out. But you dialed it back. You had about seventy percent. How did you disguise your voice? Like what you let me getting some more some more, Ben. Put it twang in. There said everyone should be. Fire. David van say fired. I thought for sure when I mentioned. The other station. I figured yeah. You're you're listening to post game. La, LA, LA. Okay. We're team. When I when I said, I know you left the game early. I'm only ever accused you of that. That is true. You're the only. This is mad. You guys are about the time. You're just solely focused on rate. Oh, it is. It is pure rage today. You're absolutely right. So give us what are you? What what is your big take away from this mess? Well, I think this is moving forward a real argument what we play out in this postseason poor, and I'll give you a little credit here. You've never said Mary yourself. One hundred percent analytics you've always said it has to be a major part of your. I think that who've been onside there's just no way Richhill comes out of that game. None. But you know, what? I don't think. That's like I think I think they used a lot of analytics throughout the season. But I don't think that was an analytics decision I out third time through the lineup. Well, straight analytics, but I I don't I don't Brian. They're up four to nothing. But here's through the lineup. But here's the thing. You know, there was I guess there was miscommunication. 'cause Richaud went today Roberts. Nobody disputes this after the sixth inning and said, hey, keep an eye on me. Let's take it better by batter. So rich hill indicated that he was tiring out. And that's probably why Dave Roberts pulled him. First of all, I I don't know why you say it. I don't know. Why you go there? If you're rich hill your. Thrown a hell of a game. You're up for nothing. Why saying keep an eye on me? Let's go batter to batter just dig in there and throw man. Great, and you, but you don't know if that if that conversation. No, it did take place rich Richhill from that took place. You never know. But here's the thing. I I know anything anyone wants to admit. But the Red Sox were better. I mean, they know this I had this. I had this debate with Sodano during the seventy three hour game three or whatever it was might have been game during game for I lose track two things can be true at once the Red Sox, absolutely better. There's no question about that. But that means the decisions that you make when you're the dodgers have to be better not worse and magnifies all the mistakes that the dodgers made an I'm not laying. I'm not letting the front office off the hook. Because I think that responsible for a lot of it. I do too. I you can't it puts a premium on your decision making it doesn't let you off the hook. And I think it exposed some of the problems that they have in how they use their and what they do with Roberts and the communication and how they I think they leave all this stuff. So I think it makes it worse. Yeah. And by the way, John this is an analytics Clayton Kershaw eleven innings. Nine earned runs. I'm sorry. I'm glad you brought that up so to Houston Mitchell today in the LA times wrote thinks Kershaw is opting out yesterday side within the next three days if he opts out I think, there's a strong possibility. The dodgers offer him nothing. I agree. I agree. I doubt he is no longer in as we've seen that. He you know, you're pitching you got a ninety mile an hour fastball and in eighty eight mile an hour slider. And they're just sitting on that slider. And looking for it that used to be as most devastating pitch. And we know there's no way to dispute not big in big games. Not big and big game spray. Do you think he's gonna out though? I mean, the dodgers that I just never gonna give him like a going away present. I think two years seventy million a lot of money if he gives it back to them. I think they take it and let him lean. Yeah. I'm trying to I'm trying to think who gives them more. Right. That's the like, I think the Rangers would give him four years one hundred have fun. It's a pitcher say hitters ballpoints hitters ballpark there. He will never play in the playoffs again. And I think this Kershaw does not strike me as a chase the money guy. I think he wants to he wants to get paid what he thinks value is. But I think he also wants to try to play important meaningful games. And you go to Texas. You're not getting that. I mean, if he wants to if he wants to opt out and go to Texas E later if Texas wants to overpay for him seal later because he's a number three starter Astros would get involved. And if he goes to the Astros, it's like they're number four or five starters that could not that big. The other. We got Kirsh. Oh, he was a good pitcher this year when he was healthy still sub three let's face it with the Astros starter. Right. He's he's just not not an ace ace elite, you know, top two or three guys league anymore. Hey, let me because the Lakers been going on. Yeah. I I wanna loopy guys in on Brian's, brother. Andy has a very good article in the athletes this morning about who the Lakers should start. Who's MMA or Ingram Ingram is now eligible to play tonight here in Minnesota, right? Because it's the spends over and most people think Ingram's going back into the starting lineup. Some people think they should leave Kouzmin there. Andy were really good piece about the pros and cons of what they should do. But let me throw this out for a possibility. Don't be shocked if this is unconfirmed but don't be shocked if he starts both of them to now I like that Ingram with coups MMA in an attempt to get defensively longer. It's being kicked around here in the hotel. We don't know if Luke's going to do it. But it's something they're considering that they would put Ingram Kouzmin Lonzo LeBron in jail McGee out there to Jenny move bench bench and be. Become just this really on defensive athletic team. I don't know if they're going to do it. But they're considering it, and it would be really fun to watch it happen. John the important thing to remember too is even if they don't start with that lineup. I think there's a really good chance. You see a lot of it. Sure. But it I mean, I think it would be fun because most people think coups gonna place really good with Brian killed it over these last four games and Ingram thinks starter. So start them both and see what happens now, I'm so that, you know, maybe they make you better. I'm for that. All right. John have a good game tonight. We're going to go back to rage radio. Yeah. It will just be on the lookout for bantam in love Roddick to talk about mitts crew. San is done for the night. Today. Thanks. He had no idea that we spend from LA mirada. He sounded he sounded like an angry dodger fan. Yeah. Yeah. So if they're member only good calls, Greg only good calls, and there are a lot of smart angry people in this town. How many other people do you think Ireland calls as Ben from LA Morada? You know, I think I does that a lot. No, I all season long. I thought about calling dodgers talk though. Really? Yeah. All year long story for you can tell you. Brag good. I more. Of this bitch session, next Mason, Ireland, ESPN LA. I let's. The dodgers lose the World Series. Let me just throw another couple of things in their first of all a fantastic win for the Rams. I got to go to the Coliseum yesterday before I went to Dodger Stadium ram speed. Green Bay twenty eight twenty six girlie one hundred fourteen yards Jared Goff, two hundred ninety five yards passing and three touchdowns and the happiest man in the world that the dodgers lost the World Series. Clay Helton Trojan Trojans lose their is on a state at the Coliseum USC now foreign four three words about clay Hilton, Dun, Dun, Dun. Yeah. I feel like they're going to plan a trip somewhere. Yeah. Just so they can fire on a tarmac. Exactly the lane kiffin memorial firing room at LAX. All right. So dodgers lose the World Series. And it was it was frustrating. I'll tell you the word that comes up more than anything else is analytics. Yes. And I wanna point out that first of all every team uses analytics, including the Red Sox evidence by the fact that they've got those little wrist bands that tell them where to play on every single hitters and sometimes on every single pitch. That's analytics I do think Alex Cora has a better feel for his team than Dave Roberts had for his team. I want by the way, I want to throw out here last night. Andrew Friedman told the Bill shake from the LA times that Dave Roberts will get a long term extension. And there's more of that coming down today mistake. Bryant candidates, keep no. Because it's one of these classic Ireland question, and actually I mean like in a way, I'm not about to make fun of them. That's usually what I my nuts. Here is that crazy or is this just one of those situations. But like who are you gonna get better? You know, I mean, he's been doing the ESPN broadcast booth, and you hire somebody from there because seem to work with our work. It's an option in look David Ross in there right now is there right now. I think the the question isn't, you know, are you gonna find somebody who uses the numbers eight afraid been far inside you're going to do with the next guy. What they're doing with Dave. Yes. I think so. And then I don't know that they are. That's what they're gonna do it their way. Yeah. That I don't know that they are. I don't really think they're gonna change your day higher the next this year's Gabe. Kaplan is I don't know that this is. Seachange for the dodgers. I think the that last year AJ Hinch heavy analytics Jeffrey Luneau runs that organization heavy analytics, but AJ Hinch had a feel for things in this case Red Sox heavy analytics, Alex Cora, basically ran the analytics department. So he's got a better field win. Do I play the numbers? And when do I play human beings he had a better feel for that than Dave rap, but it suited? I disagree with you there. But I also think this is where maybe this is the time I vent about the front office. This is where I think they kind of screw over Roberts. Okay. Because when things go wrong, right? They always will point to note the manager's making managerial decisions and he's getting he's making his choices. We don't end the rules in the room. We're telling, you know, all the we work collaboratively, but we don't tell him every move. He's supposed to make. Except when the things are going. Well, and we point to how versatile they are the dodgers were able to move. You know, Chris Taylor in the in the Milwaukee series, two seven positions, and all these other things that we marvel at their versity. Well, that's the front office and their analytics and how they how they understand the matchups in the versatility. And all these things they use Roberts like a human shield, and they will use the next guy as a human shield because I really yes him as a human ideal. So because I believe like you do they are the gum. You heard. Andrew Friedman say, oh, it's all on Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts is making these because how do you think makes most of the decision? I think Dave Roberts gets most of the blame. But I don't. Who do you think makes most of the decisions? The front on us. And when have you ever heard them say no that one's on us? Like Richhill was reminder. I heard Dave Roberts say that game four was on him. Because Richard because Dave Roberts also trying to stick around for another contract. Yeah. But no that. Nobody knife think this is part of the deal he in the pill. They die. Brian. And who'd inherited all those all the inherited runners score was do that was that was no, rob the fundamentally why do you think they pull them? Why? I don't think they I think from upstairs when they sat down they said, we're not letting them get through a third time through that line. I don't get that. I don't think that was it. Why why did Richhill knowledge that there was a conversation because there was a conversation? Okay. But their conversation indicated that Richhill was near the end. No, the keep an eye on me because I actually respect what hill was trying to do there. Which was too often you see t- up leaving the game. No. Well, the problem is if only if you have a guy who's price ever went to to Alex Cora and said keep an eye on me. It's battered a batter. If if Cora asked him how you feeling I would extend it price, say, great awesome. But I the problem is if what he'll says, which is keeping you know, let's watch it want it eats. Why rich you'll have that conversation? The quest. Four nothing. The keep an eye on me. It's patterned way to Dave Roberts went over said feeling when the problem with most guys have is they lie, and they say Joe live one of the why why one manager not to be pre-disaster him realize Scott Alexander up in the bullpen with. That's the problem is you have a guy like because they are. So wrote on the numbers say you can't get through the third time in the lineup. And normally that's not a bad. It's not a bad. That's what drove that. No. But I think it's in the back of your head is if you know that the the the broad agreement that we're all working under here. Here's ritual isn't gonna go through three times in the lineup because it's gonna get real ugly real fast. That's that's what we all agree when we're all in the room. That's what we agree on. If that's in the back of your head of we're already in the third time through I got to be real careful here that the you you just you shorten your leash that you have for hill. On the mount. So that where you might be a little bit more tolerant. You might give him one extra batter to extra batters knowing full well that Ryan madsen's just gonna let those guys in any way. Right. You might just say a let him a little bit longer. If you already don't have it in your head of he's not supposed to pitch through the third time. I feel like that was part of their game plan, which they sit down and they do together. I'll tell you what the words I hate from Dave Roberts. That was the plan. You might as well say that is what I was told to do. But correct. But you don't hear is the front office. Then come out and say, yeah, we're a lot of these choices at frustrate the bleep out of you dodger fan are coming are coming from us blame us to. They don't say that they let Roberts out there to hang to dry. And then when the time wanted to save Robert say, it's that was my gut is that's part of the gibe never heard him say that it's part of the never heard him say those decisions. Came from my gut. I never heard him say that until his well, no, the alternative is to say. Well, take him out always punted before he's always said that was the plant. Instead, he said that I was going with my gut his gut was wrong. Couldn't have been more was wrong. Greg. The whole what what are we asking me nothing? I'm not asking you anything. I just thought you'd have something to say I have plenty to say about the series itself. And it's about Dave Robertson. Everything. Dave Roberts is coming back. How how's that? Make you feel that does not make me feel good at all. I mean, I think that I love the fact that he got to the World Series two years in a row. I love the fact that he got there for the NFC as three years in a row. But the fact of the matter is that when it came down to his feel of the games feel his feel of the game -pletely wrong in every situation when it was his time to show feel Hughes feel was off. So you need somebody that understands analytics and understand that there is part of the view that does both. It's not in. That's what you're saying. Who will who will say to Friedman? Look, I'm not taking this job. Unless I have some say, you're not that person isn't getting the job. That's my point is what the job of beat manages to be the judge. Of managing the dodgers is about managing people. So that when you have a guy who comes in and is played one hundred fifty five games every year for his entire career. And now is only gonna play one hundred twenty seriously that the job of the managers to make that were even after losing to to analytics based managers with feel the last two years, you're going to continue the magic puppetry Dave Roberts. I don't care if they bring in somebody else as long as if you can find somebody who can he does a very good job managing that clubhouse, which is a very difficult job. And is about eighty five percent of what his job is. If you can find somebody who's maybe a better analytical mind and is capable of doing that that player management. That's fine. I is it fair to Roberts. I don't know if you can find somebody better. Why don't you that a guy like I don't know if he wants it, but have been I was asked a bunch of in the. Post game show yesterday. Chase utley understands the been been around for a while it. Well, it seems rain Alex Cora random looking for. I mean, they suddenly wait a minute. I'll say someone's AJ Hinch spend Dave Roberts was was a random choice. Right. I mean, there's a bunch of guys that are it's chasing boon boon in New York was random choice. Also feels old school to me. He was see he's been in this organization with Andrew Friedman eighty and understanding what? Right. But he also has a feel he was doing that helped Richhill blending analytics with with with gut. And I think that. To a guy who blends the numbers with especially in a short series, your gut. But it's not even that it's also which numbers you dealing. We talk about analytics like you plug in all the information and one answer comes out this point. Analytics is the information. You still have to use your gut you still to use your knowledge to decide which information going Burs our import right? How I gonna it's all the same numbers are neutral. You have to decide are we going to take the sample size of last week. The last day. This is the page. Why did you take out Pedro Byas in in which I can't even keep tracking? Removed for when he struck up two guys. And that was that was game one. Yeah. One why do you remove him the oh, well, the there's those playing jersey number somewhere. That's you know, what that was taking was he went lefty and try to get Devers out of the game game winning down out of the gate. Right. And the guy the home run, right? But like that there's a night. He'll he'll wrong. Thank of course. He's gonna flip. Of course that was the matchup. They wanted. Why did they want that matchup because everybody got together? And this that down and said, this is the one this is we have an opportunity to get Devers out of the lineup and go to the lefty, we have this written down. We have the the pitch and spin rates and all these things figured out that a match up of an remember who they was bringing. It was a lefty. It was oh, what was it? Was it Alex for God's sake would ready spin rate or all these whatever number they had pointed to him as a better matchup against Nunez. Then the right hander Byas Devers, why they went to that that you can find numbers that supported by that situation like he hadn't given up a hit to a lefty since July. Alex. Right. So you could there's always a number to support the conclusion that you wanna get it's. Numbers. You us. There's not one answer with analytics, you still have to understand and feel and all these things, and I don't think the front office. Always has the right feel for the numbers either. They're really good at roster construction. They're not as good at game management tweet from Frank Fidel. Okay. Mason now that the dodgers season over can we expect an increase of Rams coverage. You already do your job you already do your job. But the rest of the lineup must step up. It's a magical ram season. Besides you not many at the station care. I I don't know. If that's true. I can only take responsibility for these three hours or these three and a half the half. I hate Travis cares. Trying to scare that's Louis. All right coming back next. Find find me a good call for next. Plus, we will just a one good call. We're going to sneak some calls in today. 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Parsing the Allegations Against the Mariners | The Ringer MLB Show (Ep. 165)

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Parsing the Allegations Against the Mariners | The Ringer MLB Show (Ep. 165)

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Say the road ain't no place to start a family. This is the rare MLB show. My name is Michael Barone. I'm a staff writer at the rare. As always we were part of the rare podcast network wishes itself. A part of the rare dot com, which is home to two articles. I wanted to point your attention to two of my favorite ringer writers have gone long on college basketball coaches this week have made Schuster on the consistently. Excellent Lindsay Whalen of the university of Minnesota and Katie Baker on the consistently shirtless. Eric muscleman of the university of Nevada Reno. Both of those articles are worth your time to go. Check those out. But now without further delay. It's back to baseball with Zach cram and Ben limber. I'm joined today by my colleagues, and I hope friends, I actually don't know how much you guys like me, whether whether you guys come on here out of your own free will or out of obligation, but anyway, bed Lindbergh, Ben high up again to be here. But I also enjoy being here. Okay. You always sound kind of obligate and fat. Cram who always sounds a little bit more Free Willy. Hey, you're okay. Okay. All right. So last week we recorded about this time on Tuesday. And then all the interesting baseball news happened in the next about eighteen hours after we after we hit stop. So I hope the rest of this week will be a little bit slower and will be a little bit more up-to-date, but we add a breaking news last night or sort of yesterday afternoon in the last night and a strange situation out of Seattle and not the kind of strangeness that that we're used to a doctor Lorraine a- Martin has accused the Mariners of accused general manager Jerry DiPoto manager, Scott service, and director of player development anti. Ak of gender and racial discrimination. She was one year into a three year contract to to work on the teams mental skills development and was let go after the season. There's all sorts of details in the story by TJ cultural of the news Tribune of Tacoma, Washington. She spoke to him and laid out a couple instances of actually several instances of service and DiPoto. And McKay she quotes Jerry DiPoto is as calling her a cocky Latina in a meeting earlier early in the air says she says service may disparaging remarks about the intelligence of Latin American ballplayers, particularly Dominicans. This is disturbing shocking. I think is the the adjective I would use describe it. Yeah. I was going to go with astonishing. But I'm with you on those too. So I think that first of all, you know, she is an incredibly accomplished person. If you haven't looked at her. Resume and the rundown. She has every degree under the sun. She's held impressive positions at cannot vouch for her performance with the Mariners. But when she was hired a year ago Jerry DiPoto described her as a unicorn because she just seemed so uniquely well-qualified for this position. So it is very surprising that things have gone way way south here one way or another. And if what she is alleging is true. And if these remarks were made, it really would be astonishing, and I don't mean to cast out on her claims because I have no knowledge of whether they're true or not. I just mean that if they are true, we're talking about Al Campinas, Ted Koppel in one thousand nine hundred seventy sorta stuff or worse than that. And this is coming from a GM and a manager and player development director, it straightens belief in the sense that you would not want to think that this sort of thing could happen in baseball today. And these are to some extent. Public figures, and that would be even more disturbing. If it were true by shock at this. I mean, it's it's an incredible that somebody would somebody that high up to a baseball organization would say stuff like that. But I think part of that is just I don't I don't want to believe that somebody that high up in a baseball organization would would talk that way, particularly to an employee particular like imagine somebody thinking or feeling that strongly about the intelligence of Dominican ballplayers strongly enough to to say it out loud. That's right. I mean, it's it's incredible. And I don't want, you know, these people actually say and believe these things, but just because I don't wanna disbelieve what Dr Martin said just because I don't want these things to be true. So I think there's a, you know, it's shocking and MLB is going to investigate. And I don't know like I perhaps naively thought that we were passes this sort of thing, I would potentially. Push back on the notion that it's so astonishing though that necessarily that these specific people would say these specific things, but just the notion that a major league organization would have someone in a high ranking position who says and thinks he sings isn't that hard to believe it's kind of a wet you see people talking about these days with putting the quiet part and saying it out loud. Like, if these things were said, I mean, there was one line that second to me in this news Tribune report that Scott service told Martin that you don't see Latino catchers or managers because quote, they aren't bright enough. They're dumb, and even which is almost I mean, Ben mentioned Al Campinas. That's almost exactly what he said about African American managers in general managers thirty years ago, right by I if you think about that statement, there are very few managers who aren't white that are very few front office high-ranking executives who aren't white in the game today. And even if you know. People who are making these hiring decisions aren't explicitly saying, we're not hiring you because we don't think your bright enough. It's kind of you know, the notion that people who aren't Wade are underqualified is perhaps born out just by these very hiring practices and not giving people opera -tunities when they deserve them. So if that's sort of lifting back the lid to to let us see into why these inequitable decisions are being made. I don't think that's particularly astonishing. Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me. If there were this implicit bias in base by there, almost certainly is. I think what really would shock me is if it were stated explicitly even just from a self preservation ten point. But I think what you're saying is true. And and Michael I think we talked to letroy Hawkins on an episode of this podcast in the past about the lack of African American pitchers and catchers, and it's notable that that's the case. And it's certainly true in the coaching ranks in the managerial ranks as. Well, and it's also probably important to point out. Just for context that you know, I'm working on this book about player development. And so I've kind of been immersed in this world recently in actually interviewed Dr Martin as well as Andy MacKay, and none of this came up in those conversations with either of them. Although Dr Martin did say that you know, she has encountered some sexism in this world. And that's not surprising at all. Because one of the reasons I spoke to her was that there are so few people with her background in this world. It's really really hard to find women who are working at field level roles with players in club houses in player development. It's even rarer to find women who are persons of color as she was. So she is very much a minority in an extremely male skewed context here, and that doesn't necessarily tell us anything about what actually happened here. But. I think it's important to point out that she is very much a pioneer. She was the first woman in this role for a major league team. It's a fairly new role as it is a lot of teams are hiring these people to run their sports science departments or high performance departments that sort of link mental skills and training and recovery in nutrition all of these areas that teams are getting into and so she was very much a trailblazer. So you would expect maybe some resistance and some friction there and certainly with players, but it doesn't sound like players were the problem here, according to her account now, and the other thing is sort of floating around this. This whole episode is the possibility that she was like over performance related reasons or they couldn't they couldn't get along. And she even said that in the news Tribune article that she felt that she wasn't led to to be able to do her job. And I even if that's true that doesn't. Mean that her claims of gender or racial discrimination aren't valid. I don't want to impugn Dr marred by comparing her day angel Hernandez, but he filed the grievance saying that he was passed over for assignments or promotions based on based on his race. And everybody jokes about angel Hernandez being a bad unpire. But it's also, you know, it's not implausible that his complaints about racial discrimination. Could also be true plausible, probably even likely, so whatever personal or performance issues. The Mariners had with her. You know, that doesn't automatically mean that she's miss remembering or relying. You know, I think I think it's good that you know, she threatened to file a lawsuit in the news article. I hope she does. I hope 'em obese investigation which announced was a launch today. Turns up new information on this. Because whatever you think about any of the parties involved, we can't we a baseball community can ignore this. Yeah. And you know, I think there's a lot of ugliness that comes out of accusations like. This because you have people with their tribal affiliations to a team that just kind of instinctively react and say, oh, well, she was fired, and she's bitter, and she's just making up these stories, and we just can't know whether that's true or untrue at has to be investigated. And we'll be and hopefully, we will find out the truth, and we'll see whether these claims can be corroborated because some of the claims they're pretty specific to hear, you know, we're talking about specific conversations we're talking about the specific trainers. She saying we're dismissed because of racism, I mean, there are things here that I don't know whether they're easily verified or refuted. But we are. We know what we're talking about here. It's not just some nebulous claims, which of course, could be true. But here we have very definite claims. And the Mariners response has been am I wrong in thinking it's a little more strident than denials or where? We're looking at this statements have been on both sides. Really? I mean the way that out being like, this her naming names, and and citing specific instances is. Yeah. Like, I mean, it it varies shows you. Yeah. I don't know. That's unusual. But it shows you like this is serious. This is not just an embittered employee on the way out or you know, on the way out the door. But the Mariners savant back. It's not just we're looking into it. It's cheese making this office. Centrally it's very the whole thing. I don't feel like I have a a great handle on it. Because it's it's just not how these things usually play. And I mean, if you look at maybe this is getting too in the details, but a lot of the comments she says were made specifically about Dominican players. A lot of the Mariners important players are from the Dominican Republic Nelson Cruz who is a free agent now. But he's from the Dominican Republic she and Sagrada Robinson canal like these are important players in the organization who would presumably be affected if these views are seen to happen throughout this organization and would probably want to see this investigated to not to to speak for them. But this is. The kind of thing that has a lot of different effects and a lot of different places. You know, if you kind of parse the Mariners statement, it's hard exactly to tell you know. Of course, they're vehemently denying many of her claims, but they are also refuting the claim that they fired a trainer, but they say, you know, we haven't terminated a trainer this off season, which is very specific. She didn't necessarily say that it was this off season and terminated can mean many things right in baseball. It's kind of a a seasonable gig often where you kind of worked from one year to the next, and this is about the time that people get new jobs or lose their jobs, and you can have a contract not renewed. So maybe they just mean. Well, we didn't fire them. We just let their contract expire. I don't know. It's hard to say we have to wait for some fact-finding to happen here at set sort of where I'm at I want to want to know more. And I imagine we will find out more before too long with the. You know, a lawsuit does get filed and majorly baseball's investigation, and if it's good that MLB, obviously MLB is going to investigate this. But like you said, the, you know, the players have a vested interest in finding out the truth, whether their bosses think this way, you're so I don't have a good segue to the actual trade that the Mariners made which is probably the biggest piece of baseball news that broke since we talked last. So let's just jump right in the American IRS have have traded catcher. Mike Zeno a minor league pitcher, Michael Plass Meyer, Aben Limburg favorite and outfielder gamma Haredi ah to Tampa Bay for outfielder Jake Fraley and outfielder Malik Smith is trade is funny for several reasons. One is Mike Xenos an extremely baseball Twitter. Plyer one that Malik Smith was briefly a member of the Mariners for all of like seventeen minutes or something like that before it was the the drew smiley shae Simmons. Louis go HARA. Menasheh twat that happened back when Jerry DiPoto was making his flurry of of moves a couple years ago. So. This is an interesting trade from a just from purely baseball perspective because Smith and Zunino who are the two big names in this trade are two players who have been kind of hard to pin down value is over their careers. Yeah. It's it's sort of the ceremonial start to the season is Jerry DiPoto makes a trade with the rays, usually. And this is it is an interesting one. I think because you have Zeno who's coming off a big offensive down year. And then you have Smith who's coming off a big offensive up here where I think he is surprised a lot of people. And so if you just looked at the twenty eighteen stats, you might say, well, the Mariners are getting a steel here. But on the other hand soon, you know was a much better hitter in years prior to that he is. Of course, a great framer. A great receiving catcher we've seen the raise acquire a number of great receivers over the years, many of whom can't hit. And so it makes sense. I think this is it's kind of. Like how the Mariners started last season by getting D, Gordon, except that now Smith is better than Dee Gordon to think, and and they certainly hope so he's one of those guys. I mean, he's one of the very fast very fastest players in baseball. I think you all know how many double plays you granted into. Yes. Sure eleven. Wow. Okay. Leave that. Yes. It is. Yeah. Because I think he was fourteenth in sprint speed. And he's one of those guys who doesn't hit the ball super hard. But he puts it in play. And he out. Yeah. Run like crazy. So Zunino is an interesting player because it's really easy to look at his offense of profile and think he's like Joey Gallo without quite the home runs like last year among players that's four hundred with among players with four hundred plate appearances Zunino ranked number one in strikeout rate. Just edging out. Chris Davis who had one of the worst seasons ever at number two Joey Galloway at number four. So that's not a great offense of profile. But then you look at who he is compared to the league average for catchers last year was just an eighty four WRC plus magenta sixteen percent below average. That's one of the worst marks for catchers the century. They're in a very down period across the entire position. As you Nino also had an eighty four WRC. Plus, so you combine an average hitter for his position with the potential for more along with a player who's a very good defender. And that's valuable catcher the raise especi-. After trading Wilson Ramos last summer, basically had zero at catcher. So even like on that soon is just an improvement. If he hits us poorly did last year, and I would expect him to bounce back at least a little bit. Yeah. And it could be just a Quincy dental cyclical sort of thing that catchers can't hit right now. But it also could be because teams won't catchers like Mexican, you know, who can receive pitches and get extra strikes, and if they can hit great. But if they can't that's okay too. And we've seen the difference in teams when it comes to framing and receiving strikes really shrink over the last decade that we've been able to measure that accurately and Sydney knows just another example of that. So teams are willing to live with less offense than ever if they know that they're going to get extra strikes on the other end of right? And that's the I mean the shock thing is going to be the tooth fifty nine OBT last year. But I mean in two thousand seventeen he hit two fifty one with three thirty one OB p back-back twenty. Twenty Homer seasons. I mean, the temptation is to sort of look at him like Austin hedges, but with more power or hail farro without the legs. And not as good at throwing arm. But. Discovering players who are Becker to begin with taking away all their great. This is what the, but this this is the league average catcher. Now like the guy who can frame or good defensive catchers. Let's just put it that way with some power and not a whole lot on base skill. And like that's why I don't know who is the the off at the end of the the league average catcher. Ten years ago. But that's just what this looks like now. So I think this trade kind of like you were talking about earlier the two main pieces had divergent years last year, if you take this as sort of a Bilo unto Nino and a sell high on Malik Smith, it kind of just naturally meets in the middle of the other pieces are interesting. I think there's a distinct possibility that gear mo- Heredia is like ninety percent as good as Malik Smith. So there could almost be a trade off there. I think he might fit in a little bit better in Tampa Bay's outfield as a right handed hitter. Anyway, as Tampa sort of remade, it's outfield. They've added Austin meadows at the trade deadline. They added Tommy fam- at the trade deadline. That's a really good outfield and putting Heredia sort of as a as a flexible fourth outfielder behind those two in Kevin care Meyer gives them a lot of flexibility there. I'll let you to talk about your your favorite pitching prospects. But I think it's not just about Janina Smith the other. Pieces are really interesting in their own right to I think I think that's a good read that it's a by urge to sell high on Smith and a Bilo on Cedeno and the other things I agree. The other pieces do make it this do make this feel like a win for Tampa Bay. But plas Myers bents is mall Benz. Yeah. Press Mayer is he's a really good prospect who was a fourth round pick for the Mariners just this past year out of the second. Best college baseball program in the state of Missouri agreed to disagree university of Missouri. And he went right to the northwest league. And he was absolutely dominant. He was the best pitcher in that league. He struck out forty four guys in twenty four innings. I think that's pretty good. He only walked for. He's one of these high spin guys he was at a analytically advanced college, and he knows all about the tracking technology, and he is adjusting everything he does based on that. So I know from talking to someone in the Mariners front office after they made this trade that they were sorry to give him up because. Do think that he can really be something. And obviously the Mariners could use a solid starting pitcher. They have developed a whole ton of those. So I think they were probably started to give him up to. Yeah. And Jake Fraley is a guy. I liked a lot coming out of LSU. He sorted that. There's this weird brand of sort of slap in runny LSU outfielders between him and Andrew Stevenson who had a Cup of coffee with the nationals. Antoine Duplantis is probably the best one of the bunch who is a little bit younger than Fraley Fraley is a guy who demolished high this year, but was old for the level. So I mean, he's probably enor- guy future for outfielder. Maybe in a couple of years sea turns out to be gear. Mojo radio. So. Yeah. I I like this trade better for Tampa. By there's a lot of interesting moving parts. It is a classic classic race trade and a classic mariner straight. I like that. We just spent fifteen minutes talking about Mike Zunino from Alex Smith, just just let us wait until James Paxton gets traded, right? Which could be any second now Lee chant axed, right after we finished recording takes about James Paxton, if he gets traded, and depending on what he gets traded for here's one of my takes them going to preview it James Paxton now goes, Lance Lynn, James hawks like most predict probably my favorite pitcher in baseball right now. So how dare you get out my favorite picture? The difference is Lance Lynn has you know, a track record of extended major league success the level of the innings eater versus the guy. Who's actually it is like these are the extremes. Yeah. Well, it feels strange to be talking about the Mariners on a purely Xs and os level to retouching your bellwether makers are racist or not. But it was awkward. I wanted to use the Daniel Mangan retina puppies from the storm drain story that came out this morning, a segue. But I don't know if that would have made it more or less awkward. No. I don't know. Well, what I was going to say is that there was some buzz before this trade was made about. About how the manners might consider just tearing down and going full rebuild. And I do think they're one of the more interesting teams, not just because they're always one of the more active teams over the offseason. But because they are in this position where you wonder whether at some point they are just going to say, okay, we gave it a shot and will commit to several more seasons of not making the playoffs while we actually rebuild this thing. And I don't know whether this trade tells us anything one way or another about whether that's their thinking, I know that there were subsequent reports. After the reports that said, they might do that that said, they probably won't do that seems like it's probably still influx. In maybe depends on what sort of offers, they get but tax can go, and that doesn't necessarily commit them, I suppose to a long-term rebuild now. Because pats not going to be a part of the next good. Mariners team. He's too old. Here's the guy. He's not too old Shohei Ohtani the American League rookie of the year. That was a good segue Verkey of your. So this is a wards week rookie of the year voting came out last night as we record manager of the year, which I don't know about you guys. But I don't really care about comes out tonight. So and we'll deal with young on Wednesday or Cy Young on Wednesday MVP's on Thursday will do what those next week's episode American League Shohei Ohtani. First McGowan do her second glacier towards third. Joey Wendell fourth National League Ronald a tuna I want so to second Walker. Bueller third. I that nationally ballot is exactly how I had it and opinion Soto in some order. Bueller third. I think it was the only reasonable way to look at that. We'll give erase. Yeah. I have no major complaints. Of course, you can go down the ballot and find fault with individual ballots. But on the whole, I think the writers got it. Right. And it looked for a while like the AKU. Soto. Bueller? Race was going to be closer than it was. It was pretty surprise that didn't get more first place, but understand like I came down on CUNY like on the side of the Cassini into. Yeah. You he finished the season so strong, and maybe he gets a playoff team bonus. I don't know. But I think I mean, he's more fun. That's the. Yeah. Maybe so I don't know. Maybe people don't appreciate sotos plate discipline, which you wrote about which is just unbelievable for someone his age. And in a way, maybe makes him many more promising player. I don't know. But this definitely doesn't seem like a year where we're going to look back in fifteen years and think that guy one who wears that guy today. I mean, you could say that maybe about an do har-. If Pete doesn't learn to field. But I think I think you mean in in three years when and do hers got a ninety PS pluses the left fielder for the San Diego Padres could happen. I think Otani was the right choice aside from narrative aside from the way that we all feel about Otani because I'm totally fine with giving rookie their word to the bub Hamlin's of the world. You know, Bob Hamlyn beat out many Ramirez in his rookie of the year year, and that seems silly now, but hey, he had a better year. He was more valuable that you're so I don't mind I think it's nice if a future legend can win this award. But I'm okay with just giving it to the guy who had the best rookie season in this case. I think those two things dovetail very nicely and players who should be good for a very long time were also the best players this year. I think if anyone should be upset it's Harrison baiter from the cartels who finished that break. He he got one vote tied for sixth in the National League. And of course with only three people on each ballot. It's kind of hard to place when you have a kunia and sodo at the top, you know, guys like Walker bueller in third place. But Bater was maybe. They're equal in the outfield this year. It's just a lot of his value came in harder to see ways he was perhaps the best defensive outfielder in baseball this year. He hit surprisingly well for what was expected of him as a prospect, and I don't think has ceilings or anywhere near as high as theirs, but he had fantastic rookie season. And I I don't think him only getting one vote should take away anything from that result. I'd say the same bat Jack Flaherty to both of those guys are like they both had the kind of season that gets you somewhere between second, and you know, second or third on a rookie of the year ballot. They just happened to run into a killer top three and that just happens. Sometimes. Yeah. I was thinking about this class in relation to be twenty ten mash league rookie class. That was BUSTER Posey one Jason Heyward to Hymie Garcia three Gaby Sanchez finished fourth. So. Yeah. So here's to Harrison Badir having a better major league career than Gaby. Sanchez won't be that hard. He may already have. That's possible. The rear. MLB show's brought to you by berm borough maze clever uncompromising furniture for modern life at home as the days get shorter. The weather gets colder and football, the NHL in the NBA or in full swing. You know, you're going to be spending a lot more time at home on the couch. Make sure that's time. 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Site now until black Friday by visiting bird dot com slash MLB. That's B U R O W dot com slash MLB. To get ten percent off the entire site now to black Friday nights again a borough for supporting the show. All right. So from the young and underpaid to the old and well compensated there were seven qualifying offers extended by major league teams to pending free agents this season, six of them were rejected, the one exception engine review of the Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah. So seven was not a lot right now. I think the few I kept waiting for more. I yeah. And maybe that reflects the way that last offseason went and people are expecting another more six months of of winter for free agents. And if that's the case if they don't think the dollars are going to be there. Maybe they don't want to be stuck with guys taking the qualifying offer and Zach I'm sure that you have the numbers ready to go with the the dodgers in what review accepting this offer does to their payroll. But that's I think a concern here. Evidently for teams that don't wanna go over the luxury tax for reasons of cheapness, mostly. And it seems like they're kind of banking on free agents having a tough time again. Yes. So there was that report. I think last week that the dodgers told their investors that they would remain under the luxury tax for the next four seasons. Which is outrageous, and we can talk about that another time because the centers little bit like me when you said into his dot print money, but just adding reuse contract alone that qualifying offer adding that alone to the dodgers payroll would take them over the luxury tax. Now, they could, you know, get rid of some of their backend relievers on the forty man roster, Tom Koehler types, but even just doing that to to get under the payroll leaves to get under the payroll tax leaves zero room at all to add anybody and the dodgers have made the last suit World Series. But they haven't won the last two World Series. And they probably could use some more upgrades on the roster. They're going to need to add a new catcher place. Yes. Money grondahl. They have other areas of. Sern? So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens today trade one of their established players to try and duck under the tax. And if so I think that's even more outrageous than than what we've already talked about. In addition. I think the the addition of renew to their team or I guess Bruce staying with the team is a really good thing for them because he was fantastic last year. I think his Yara was one point nine seven even if some of that is locked on batted balls, and you know, fly balls not leaving the yard. He's been a really good pitcher when healthy his entire career. And I don't think the dodgers should be upset that they get to retain a very good pitcher. And hopefully, they're not just because you know, it takes them a tiny bit above the luxury tax. God imagine being the kind of team would be upset about having to pay. A really good starting pitcher seventeen and a half million dollars next year. He'll commit practically no commitment beyond that. And you can see why were you took it because I think sack you said. Unhealthy that is obviously the caveat. In his case, he is not often healthy, but he has been affective when he has been healthy lately. And I don't know what to make of that dodgers report. I think it was Bill shaken who reported that document because the document dated from I think prior to their twenty seventeen playoff run is that right and they've made back to back World Series since then one would hope that that affects their economic calculus somewhat. But on the other hand, you had Brian Cashman coming out and saying that he prefers to stay under the luxury tax which showed this year. I guess anyone would prefer to do that. If you had no reason to go over it. But we thought that they were resetting themselves. So that they can splurge this off season. And maybe they will maybe this is all just rhetoric. Maybe it's for agents benefit, it might just be posturing in negotiating, and you kind of hope it will will be because otherwise it will just amp up. I think the the labor battle. That is impending here. We should see I hope it's posturing because I don't want to have to worry about inciting being having charges filed against me for inciting our listeners to violence. I did after the Cashman quote came at I looked back at New York Times piece from nineteen Ninety-four with the baseball strike. It was about owner efforts to institute a salary a full cap, and there is a line in there about how the players had been reluctant to consider an over the threshold tax because they thought it would prompt clubs to keep their payrolls at or below the trigger point and the serve as a salary cap. Basically the notion from twenty five years ago that having an over the threshold tax would serve as an effective salary cap in if the dodgers have all teams decide to stay under like, that's essentially what we're seeing. Now one other related store to look at the Phillies apparently looking into moving Carlos Santana who they signed to a three years. Sixty million dollar deal last off season Santana was fine. But he plays first base in sodas res Hoskins Hoskins doesn't play left field that well. And if they make a move on a corner outfielder like this strikes me as they've just got nowhere to play them. Yeah. They're looking to move him. But there are two other parts of the story. That are interesting one is that they don't want to move their reluctant to move him just in his salary dump because they don't want to make it look like they made a mistake or they don't want to admit they made a mistake signing him in the first place, and my response to that is nobody's gonna care. If you made a mistake if you replacing with Bryce Harper, but the other thing is his twenty million dollars salary or is if that is exactly how plays somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty million dollars. He he gets paid. I forget exactly how the contract is structured, but that that's a consideration for their luxury tax threshold, and Matt Winkelmann who's a friend of mine who used to run crash for an alley was doing the. Math on this earlier when they get rid of all the free agents that they're probably going to renounce Dave got about one hundred million dollars to spend under the tax. And this is the team in a top five media market in the US. That is run atop three payroll in baseball when they've tried to compete. You've got one hundred million dollars to spend like this is not if their salary dumping like are. They are they gonna add Harper and Machado and kaikal and Patrick orbit or are. They just going to sweep the top four free agents because they got the money to do it otherwise. So it's not just the teams that are Pasha about staying under the tax. We, you know, we've got to keep an eye on teams like the Mets, and and the the Astros and the Phillies they probably should be spending to the tax if not much higher enter going to end up nowhere near it. Enter still doing these are calling them salary dumping shenanigans is probably a little bit too dismissive. But you know, we got we got to watch the rhetoric versus the numbers in this sort of thing. Yeah. Players who couldn't be moved was kind of the Phillies whole problem flesh season that was kind of their weakness as a team immobility. And I don't know that sounds this is a literal immobile. Yes. Very much. So and especially in resuscitate as case co Santana can field a little bit at a position, that's hard. He'll gobble up anything that's hit directly at. Yes. Right. And I think, you know, Santana was kind of the Phillies pushing in their chips for the first time after coming out the other side of this rebuild and area. Of course after that. And I think that was kind of before teams realized that they didn't actually have to pay free agents last year. So they kind of paid Santana what sort of seemed like a fair price at the time of by the standards of the market meant that they got a bad deal. So you can understand why they have a little bit of buyer's remorse via Slee. He is a limited player, and he. His in that early thirties stage where guys tend to decline pretty quickly, and he's basically a of league average hitter last year, and they just had so many well, non virtually as parts. Yeah. Just first baseman, and they have to clear some room somehow and hopefully get some guys who can field. It bums me out that that they would base or and they, you know, maybe this is all nonsense by it will it bumps out that a team with avenue resources and how much talent would base decisions on fear of upsetting. Who exactly the fans seem to not like Santana that much? Yeah. This was a a a risk. You know, there were obvious risks. And they're getting sort of a not the worst case scenario, but a less than optimal. Like this could've turned out a lot better than dead. And if it doesn't that's fine you absorb it. And you move on the fans didn't really like Santana. Anyway, are they're upset about ups. They're worried about upsetting a local media that run. Runs from either very smart. They're gonna be anger about anything you do. Anyway. So this just seems like a very bizarre situation. I hope that fear of public ridicule. You know, God knows. That's what motivates me to do everything in my life. But yeah, there's a reason I'm not running a major league baseball team. Okay. Lance mccullers podcast favorite out for the twenty nineteen season with Tommy John surgery. Yeah. It seems like glance Lynn has replaced or usurped guess whence mccullers this place in your heart. At least you haven't heard you mccullers went mainstream playoffs in two thousand seventeen. Right. And everyone else doesn't think Clinton is that great. So you kind of have that island to yourself. I think this is I mean, we kind of thought this could becoming at some point rate, clean mechanics, and durability and health have never been the calling card of Lance mccullers, nasty stuff and lots and lots of curve balls have always kind of been his thing. So didn't completely come out of nowhere that this happened here. It is impressive that he was evidently able to pitch and pitch pretty effectively with this injury. Or or some stage of this injury toward the end of the year. And it kind of hurts the esters in that Morton. A free agent Keiko's a free agent, and they had to I mean, they've got so much depth though so much. Yeah. Mccue our number four shelves, James Forrest Whitley. I just prospects. Was to plug. I I mean, this is what I would add on at least was to plug. Josh James in force Whitley into the morning and Dallas Kyko spots in the rotation. Take it from there. You know? I don't know if this makes them more likely to bring one of those pictures back or to play, you know, being play for another free agent arm. But they've they've still got a fair amount of depth. Those three pitchers who will not be pitching for use in less than your barring Charlie Morton resigning combined for exactly five hundred innings last season. That's a lot to replace. And yes, they do have depth, but it's not necessarily proven depth. I would not count against the Astros who I'm not sure if they ended the season this way, but at least when I looked in August every single one of their minor league affiliates lead it's respective league in strikeout rate, so they had the best AAA eight AA strikeout rate all the way down. So that entire organization is just full of pitching talent. I think for mccullers himself. There was a QNA that the thanks Jake. Kaplan did with him a couple of days ago, where he essentially ass. You know, what was it like to pitch? With a tornado seal and his first response was just it was painful. So that makes sense. But that makes me even more impressed with him. And he wasn't dominant in the playoffs especially in Boston. But he was pretty good. And they were pitching them almost every game. That's kinda surprising to me that he was able to succeed that way. He said throwing his fastball was especially tough in Lance mccullers famously throws a lot of curveballs especially when he comes out of the bullpen. Maybe that helped a little bit. But you know, that's not something I would be able to do. Here's a fun. Bit of Lance mccullers trivia, Lance mccullers has three twenty start seasons. Three seasons of one hundred innings pitched, and which is the same number of both of those seasons. As James Paxton and a higher career Cape or nine and lines becomes is five years younger. So and yet you like wins because. Yeah, I know I'm Tom just said that colors is the pitcher that everybody thinks James Paxton is who. Well Paxton doesn't currently have a torn on their cloud could at some surprise history. You'll really not having worn critical soft, Dan, whatever here. So. Okay, Mariners fence J B B caskets is apparently lighting it up. He's he's this year's Lance mccullers. He is part of that archetype of the the headstrong short power righty with big breaking balls. Now. He was the Astros number one pick in two thousand seventeen if it had been a national national this came out to the Rosenthal reported that the nationals could've traded brace Harper to the esters at that that lend for Kuskis and starred subs. Yeah. Which I believe I wrote a piece last summer that I thought the Astros, even though it didn't make sense. She did that the teams would go for it. I thought they actually would have made the most open the best fit for Harper. And it kind of turned out that way. Josh Radic didn't hit super well the playoffs. They could've used. Other bad against Boston. Certainly I will say though, the trade package that Roselawn better now than it did then the ad Rosenthal. There's leaking now. And even even then like the cows Casse has barely been healthy stubs, you know, he'll probably make the forty man crunch. But there's a possibility he could be a real five guy. I just really liked the casket. So I'm probably not the not the right person evaluate that trade package, but you know, whether or not that's going to be better than the the draft pack or draft pick package, which I still have not memorized the the compensation packages for qualifying offers. You know that remains to be seen? Just wait for them to change the CPA again, maybe you won't have to. Yeah. Well, at least then I'll have an entire year's worth a lockout too. Familiarize myself with the rules. All right. I think that takes us bath you re signed with the Yankees. That's. It was not surprising. Right. He's he's in that stage of his career where he has reinvented himself, and it's fun. And I'm glad he is still around and pitching a pretty high level like not previous cici's about the level. But he is ineffective starting pitcher. And clearly he likes it in New York, and they like having him there. So his a good lefty starting pitcher who has this new cutter and we contact, and it's fun. And also, he's the long tenured guy in the clubhouse leader. And the guy who throws it people and tin says, you know, things that we probably can't repeat on the podcast or probably shouldn't. He is about two or three starts away from three thousand career strikeouts. Which is pretty cool. It does surprise me that Sobat thea has now been on the inky is for more than half of his career. I still remember like his run with the brewers for that half season. As that's one of the famous examples, we bring up of a guy who can make a big impact midseason that was a full decade. Ago. And I think it'll be interesting if you know when he retires in a year or two when we have the CC Sobat, the hall of fame discussion, I fame could he go in as a Yankee is is an interesting question. I would have never predicted that you know, even a year or two ago, but as he continues to rack up stats and continues to be a capable number four starter for New York. It seems like that's more and more likely. Yeah. Especially because he won the World Series in New York. And it seems like that can be the factor that pushes a team over the edge. Well, the weird thing is like he pitched more than fifteen hundred eighties for for Cleveland pitched worn eighteen hundred innings for the Yankees won the World Series in New York, all in almost all of his notable career accomplishments when he won the Cy Young with Cleveland, for instance, he had a couple of memorable playoff runs there. But I like he still a bird my head like that that little three month run was so memorable because brewer wouldn't be so awesome. I mean. It's definitely going to be when he goes in. Dallas for that was my senior year of college. So that's. Like literally forever ago, two guys who are also sort of on that hall of fame. Bubble are retired for good now. Joe Mauer announced his retirement. He's a favorite of the ringers make Schuster and chase utley has finally played out the string. He's a least favorite of the Sean fantasy two very powerful emotional figures in ringer MLB slack. Yeah. They both of them have excellent high peak short career hall of fame cases. I both are and as somebody who values peak over hanging around value. I would vote for them for the whole famous if I'd vote, but it who knows both controversial figures in their own ways despite being diametrically opposed personalities Ben you wrote about Joe Mauer today. I think this kind of relates to what we were talking about earlier with Mexico Nino the fact that the offense of bars just so low for catchers really makes our stand out even more than he would otherwise. He was a great hitter for any position. But to do it at catcher where he was also a very good fielder up until he moved to first base because of a concussion as I think, what makes him stand at us. Something almost unique has there been a better catcher better hidden catcher since Mike Piazza? And who will the next best hidden catcher who eclipses Mauer B's kind of straddling a couple different generations of catchers and hasn't been usurped at you know, in half a decade or more. Yeah. And I think our sort of perceived as disappointing possibly just because of how well he started. And how amazing he was through age thirty one of the very best catchers ever. But he still one of the best catchers ever, even though he only cut one pitch in his last game after age thirty and was sort of just a league average first baseman after that he did so much in his decade as a catcher that I think he deserves to be in. And I think that. People underestimate how hard it is to be a catcher how hard it is to be a catcher at a high level for a long time. And really you look at the inner circle catchers in the hall of fame and Mauer ranks right up there. I think he's seventh. If you go by jaws, which is really just a an average of his career war and his peak war. And I think, you know, obviously, he had to move to I because of a concussion, and it was a subsequent concussion that effectively ended his career, and that's not his fault. Obviously, you can't hold him responsible. Even though some Minnesota local columnists tried to from time to time. But the fact that he got that big contract and wasn't able to stay at catcher. I mean, if you look at the entirety of his career, he I think was more than worth what picot just in the sense that will get what he would have been paid on the free agent market for that kind of production, and it dwarfs what he was actually paid. That's how good he was. And really, you just have to keep in mind. I think that the bar for how fame catchers, I think should be considerably lower than it is at other positions because if you wanted to side who should be in based on who's already in which isn't the only way to do it. You don't have to do it that way. But it seems like a logical way to do it to me he eclipses the typical catcher who is in the hall of fame already. And that's good enough for me. Matt Snyder of CBS was quote tweeting Twitter random, which is always a fun thing to do. But they were yelling atom about one of one of them said Joe Mauer was he did nothing after age thirty ios who's just a mediocre first baseman Ed provided very little value. And what I said to Matt was lowest guy's gonna freak out when he finds out about early banks and rightly that's the that's the cop you have to make for the hall of fame case. Our didn't have the the great war. Total said that banks had before age thirty just because catchers, don't play as many games. But you look at that offense of impact at a position where not that many people can hit and then switching the first base. Banks was below average player for major thirty on. And that's about half of his career. I think more than half by games played won't. He switched a first base at age thirty-one. So if Ernie banks is no doubt hall of Famer, I think Johm hours no-doubt hall of Aamer to. Yeah. And mauer. Tacked on at the end there. He wasn't useless. He was one of the best fielding first baseman. He still took a lot of walks. So he was contributing he was just kind of compiling. But I think it it gets him over the edge. You wanna talk about longevity to like being catching many games as a guy is big as our if I think it became up today. He'd probably be moved to right field or first base pretty early on like there's a pretty reasonable argument to be made that if he's a first baseman from from the moment, he enters the pros. Here's another amateur catch with a great hit tool that got moved to to first base, Joey Votto, like does he have Joey vodkas career? You know is gonna wind up being incredibly, historically. Underrated. I think for it's interesting. It's interesting case, it's it's similar but different too Ollie's. Because Ali also was under rated for a lot of reasons like we didn't appreciate the impact of its defense. He's a great percentage player rather than a guy who put a big raw numbers. Never won an MVP. Despite being a a better the best player on two teams that produced MVP's I both for both of them. But I'm a big hall guy last point about our that fits that Ernie banks connection. Even more is neither of them. Everyone a playoff game. I was reading Benz piece this morning, and perhaps the saddest line was he played in ten playoff games and didn't win a single one of them. But I think Mauer will most likely get in maybe not first ballot. But you know, by the third or fourth I think Elliot's a more interesting Casey kind of strikes me as a the hitting version of Johan Santana. Who is maybe not with the the peak of Santana who did win several Cy Young awards, but just in terms of that really high peak, but just didn't last elite didn't get to two thousand hits. Which Jay Jaffe who is right? He said writers has talked about more than once. Yeah. So I'm not sure if he'll be as lucky, I'm not sure if I would vote for Elliot, I haven't looked as closely. But at least for those Philly teams like he was the best player in a World Series team, which not that many players can say so. Yeah, you know, he might mean more to you Michael just because you were watching him. But he always seemed to be hitting whatever I was watching him. Yeah. I think. Is right on the line. He he is the line. He embodies the line for me at so by the time, I get a vote and he's on the ballot. I may maybe my thinking, we'll have evolved. I certainly think he's deserving, but I can help you evolve. Your thank you. Okay. Yeah. But but the thing about utley, I mean, he has more sort of nationally signature moments than Mauer did and for good, and yeah, right. They're not all positive moments. But because he was in these big market teams. And he was in the playoffs a lot. I think people remember chase utley in a way that there's a danger of maybe Mauer fading a little bit away. I mean, I think you know, the last third of ours career was unspectacular. So by the time he is actually on the ballot. It will have been a decade since he was catching and at a star level. And there's a danger that people might sort of forget because he wasn't the flashiest player either. I mean, he was just a singles machine and a walks machine and a good defense. Player and he had that one outlier offensive year, which I think maybe contributed also to the perception that he wasn't quite as good as he could have been because he never really developed that power. And that somehow it created a perception that catchers or power hitters. Yeah. I don't know where that expectation came from like, right? Well, he was project like scouts would say, well, the power's gonna come and it just didn't except for that one year. When it seemed like maybe just a bunch of his flight balls happened to leave the park because he didn't hit more fly balls or hit the ball harder. It was just kind of out of nowhere. And I don't think that he could have been the vodka or the first baseman who knows. Maybe he develops differently. If he had. -pletely different the ethical it could be, but but what you know, what are the signature moments of Joe Mauer. That's what I was thinking about as I was reading the article. I mean his last catch in his last game is one of them, obviously. But otherwise like he's kind of an underrated pitch, man. Like, he's hitting the just like sleeper just pitch hall of fame lately. Like what ballplayer has been in more memorable commercials than Joe Mauer had you shoulders shoulders. I mean, the MLB the show the well played Mauer, which is stuck in everyone's head forever. He was in a milk commercial with his mom, which is the most show Mauer thing imaginable. I've in who else has that many highlights of their promotional career, which is amazing because he's not like a particularly charismatic outgoing guy. He's just kind of friendly, you know, middle America wholesomeness, but that really worked for pitching products for some reason. Yeah. So here's the last. Saying on on outlier points ack between two thousand five and two thousand nine that's five consecutive seasons. Utley was worth twenty nine point eight wins above average, according to baseball reference and Yati or Molina who you think is is a hall of Famer was worth thirty eight point nine wins above replacement for his entire fifteen year career. So it's a lot of peak. That's all I'm saying the idea Marino also a catcher just like to point that out. He also not a hall of Famer, but we can argue when when yacht air Molina's forty eight years old and final tires if he ever retires. If if the ringer in. Indeed, the internet are still around well bringing yadi is not a hall of Famer taken minute fifty six of the thought cast. You know, what if controversial if you've made it this far you deserve the good takes. And now, I think it's time to to shut off the faucet and wait for more news. So I guess we'll talk to you next week. Thanks for joining us. Thank you have a good one that will just about do it for this week's edition of the ringer M O B show. Thanks cram. And Ben Lindbergh for joining me as always today. Thanks to likes to Nino. Joe Mauer for giving us stuff to talk about thanks to Bobby Wagner for producing today's episode. And thank you for listening joined the off season and we'll see an next tone.

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These baseball tonight the podcast. This is the baseball tonight podcast for Monday, February eighteen two thousand nineteen. I'm BUSTER only producer every day during the baseball season, Josh macaroni. Josh boy. Do we have some stuff to to work with? We are often running we certainly are bustard to longtime coming but the daily shows are backing a couldn't come at a better time. Because like you said we have a hell of a lot to talk about. And I'm looking forward to getting into it. Yeah. And today at JetBlue park, the Red Sox spring training home. We're doing a bunch of interviews. We got a lot of Red Sox on sportscenter today. And boy, do we have a lot of news going on today on the show. We'll hear from Mark to Shera with his read on the worsening labor situation. Tim Kirch in will join us and Phillies camp to talk about Bryce Harper. Manny Machado the Padres. We'll talk with Scott Lauber the Philadelphia Inquirer about the very latest on Bryce Harper. And we're the Philly stand exactly where they're offered. But first, let's get to some of the news of the day on sun. Sunday. Baseball Commissioner rob Manfred spoke of Porter's about his plans for pitch clock. Moving us. The pitch clock an opening day. It'll be kind of phasing to get everybody on Pires players used to it. But we're still hopeful that we're going to make an agreement with Tonia on pace of play initiatives. I just think that whether it's by agreement or otherwise, the only prudent course force at this point is to be in a position to proceed. If in fact, we have an agreement or decide to do it under our eggs, and I'm going to say this carefully. If we decide to do it under are collectively bargained right to do that. He talked about how he disagrees with criticism of the league concerning the unsigned free agents. You know, everybody seems to approach this issue from the perspective of gee, why aren't the club signing players? I think there's lots and lots of offers out there, and it's a bilateral process players. Haven't accepted those offers yet that's how a market works. You know, we bargained for a market system that markets out there operating, and I don't have any choice, but the live with that right now he talked about the negativity in the coverage of the sport going on right now. I hate the negativity that surrounds the coverage of the game right now. I think probably the best antidote for that is to get out there and start playing the game. Because the game is always always a positive for us. It is that gap during the off season when people need things to talk about. And write about the negativity seems. To grow. But I do believe that we have the greatest game in the world. You know, maybe we're gonna make some little changes to try to make it even better. And I do think that once we get out there and start playing that positive glow around the game will reemerge coming up. I'll be talking with Tim cartoon about the on believable rage that marrying from veteran players about what's going on with free agency Robinson canot the Mets second baseman talked about. How all the players are shocked about a development in this winter sure not surprised that say anything's me kind of chuckle. Are you guys the numbers some the worst year she won MVP? I mean, you know, thought about these times already signing Sean Doolittle the nationals reliever pitching unique perspective talked about what's going on started spring training without these guys have jobs kind of feels like, you know, it's December twenty third and you don't get Christmas tree up yet. It just doesn't feel like like the league is like we're not talking about opening day. You know, we're talking about these agents and signed yet tempta- tebow has a real chance to play in the big leagues this year. He was admits camp, then he made a mistake that maybe you would expect from Tim tebow. This'll be the sort of the biggest spring training for me. You know, one before I didn't know what I was doing my first time then last year didn't really I didn't play once I didn't run or I didn't play once Nath of Alvear one snap. This. You gotta love him. Josh, right. He's a football guy BUSTER football guy as a football guy. And he handle that moment. Really? Well, Addison Russell has to serve a suspension under baseball's domestic violence policy. He met with reporters, and he said, he took responsibility. I know that there's been a lot that's been said and reported these past few months, I don't wanna get into any specifics. But when I do want to say is I am accountable for my past actions. I'm not proud of the person I was, but I do want to own this issue and take responsibility for the hurt and the pain that I've caused Melissa. And for that. I'm sorry. Cubs manager. Joe madden. Had a message for cubs fans. And he talked about that we hope that the fans understand that second chances are a part of life, and we've all been there. So with us again, we're just we're working our way through this right now, it's it's kind of new ground for us to and again to give people an opportunity to resurrect themselves in a sense put themselves back on the right path as human beings. I I mean, it's not even about baseball right now. Jacob degrom was in Mets camp. And he was asked about his contract situation. The line of communication is still open. We have not received an offer, but they continue to talk. And you know, we like I've said before I really enjoy playing here and would like to be here. But you know, that's kind of up to them. Brodie van wagon in the Mets general manager gave an update on the contract talks with the grom. No there have not been offers made yet on either side. And yes Jacob is one hundred percent of heart of our future now and hopefully for years to come. There have been discussions already about what we what we'd like him to be a part of and expressing our desire for him to be the next desk. We'll have to see where wearing when those come veteran. Third baseman. Mike miss says is agreed to a one year deal to return to the brewers first reported by the F elastic. The contract is worth ten million dollars. Marcus Stroman pitcher for the Blue Jays complained to reporters about how the Blue Jays are handling his situation saying that they're not returning his interest to reach a long term deal is quote was mentally ready to perform wherever it may be a wanna play here. I've been wanting to play for a long time. I've been waiting to sign a long term deal. I've been offered nothing. Sources told some reporters that cover the team that in fact, the Blue Jays have been in constant conversations. With Stroman 's representatives, let's get to it seem heads rejoice not TIMMY time this great game. Or what with tin kurkin on baseball. Tonight. Tip cartoon covers baseball for ESPN. And today, Tim, you are in Phillies camp, I suspect that your travel plans changed after all the hints and reports that maybe some momentum gathering between the Phillies and Bryce Harper. We'll start with that. I'll just tell you what I know. And what I've heard I was in Phillies camp the other day. You got a sense of a real hope there that they were going to be able to push across the deal. Harper seen to be the number one target and with Manny Machado. We know. The White Sox have increased their offer to him. The Padres got involved. They met with him recently. You know, you've seen the reports if possible to fifty to ninety I'm kind of waiting for the smoke and mirrors that clear on that stuff because you have deferred payments, and you have state taxes in California all kinds of things that could factor in is to what the actual value is. But my sense is that Manny Machado Bryce Harper could be making their decision soon. What are you here? Well, we can only hope Lester because it's been smoke and mirrors now for about three and a half months and with the Phillies this morning. I certainly sense that there's an anticipation here is nuked around a little bit. And I'm not sure how much good that does me anymore. But I sense that nothing's going to happen today. But I also sense that would be a wise idea to have somebody around because it could happen the rest of this week. Because BUSTER, you know, this the Phillies having need they finished. They won eighty games last year. They were eleventh in the league in runs scored. They were eleventh in the league in pitching. They this is a better division. They have improved greatly to this point. But they need one more huge piece if they're going to win this division. I think it's Bryce Harper would be the perfect fit for me. But we still have to figure this out. And we haven't gotten too many concrete stories since this whole thing began the beginning of November. Let's assume that Bryce Harper signs with the Phillies and talking with rival agents. They think he's gonna wind up with the deal north of three hundred million dollars. Let's assume you winds up with the Phillies I wrote a column on Sunday, which I have to be an affiliate camp. I thought about this. I feel like whether it's Bryce or Manny Machado, whichever guy takes the Phillies money that person better be prepared to get dirty and to play hard. And let's face it with Manny Machado. We had a lot of episodes last year. We even acknowledged he didn't play hard. He wasn't in Johnny hustle. And there were times in the last few years of Bryce Harper didn't play hard and some of the concern among. Teams about his defensive metrics and the perception of his playing right field was he kind of pulled back to stay healthy. If they actually if Bryce takes the Phillies money, I think going into that market. He's got to remember the heroes in that city. Our guys like chase utley who wants turn to a catcher and said you need to hit me in retaliation for what we did to your guy or Brian Dawkins? The the eagles who launched himself into wide receivers or Reggie White the minister of defense, they love players who play with grit. And I can't remember an example him if Bryce Harper science with the Phillies of a free agent who will face more scrutiny than what Brice will have this year in part because of who braces and terms of being one of baseball's better players, but also because of how his free agency is played out and as long long, wait. And when Bryce arrives people are going to be expecting a lot out of it. Right. And they should be of course. And and the guys you mentioned there's also Pete Rose and Darren Dalton. And Larry Bowa who played the game the right way every single time. They stepped on the field, and I frankly have no concern whatsoever. Whether Bryce Harper is gonna play hard or not because he always does. Now there were some time several times a recent years where he didn't run his hardest on a fly ball or ground ball, and that's unacceptable. But I think it was different. Because the you know, the nationals were his team they drafted him. Everything was set up for him. Now, he moves to another team potentially. And I think he's going to say well things have changed here. I'm going to run hard every single time. And I have no doubt that he will do that. Because he understands he will have to do that. With all the dynamics you talked about the money. He gets the place for him and just the need for him here. Also, and this is a tough town. And he knows I better play my best and my hardest here. So Bryce Harper up with the Phillies. I think it stands to reason and Manny Machado is gonna wind up with either the White Sox or the same. India go Padres. And I gotta tell you Tim when I heard about potential of a Padres offer two hundred and fifty million dollars or more. My initial reaction was the same one. I had last winter when they went after Cosmo, which is why now like why are you doing this? Now when I feel like the team is so far away from contending because their pitching staff isn't close to being good enough to to run down. The dodgers. Look Eric hosmer is a good player. Manny Machado is obviously terrific player. But they to me this would be an absolute copycat of when Alex Rodriguez signed with the Texas Rangers. And he went there, and he was Grady won and MVP finished second another year. He played in every game. He hit a bunch of home runs, and they weren't close to contending it all kind of went down a drain. So I get it for manny's perspective a more power to him. If he gets that kind of money from them. But from the Padres perspective, I don't get it. What about you? Well, I I almost totally agree with you on this. The Padres are still a long way away. Buster catchers, going to be great Fernando detecet is going to be great. But you gotta get some people in there. And then those guys aren't gonna arrive in be great for a few more years. And I'm just not sure you can keep Manny Machado completely healthy there. And as good as he is is he going to lift that team into the playoffs. The first couple years, my guess would be no. And with the dodgers being the dodgers and the resources they have they're still going to win this division this year and probably next year. So I'm I understand what the Padres are doing. If we're going to get good kind of like the nationals did with Jason worth even though it's a different level player here. I get it. Maybe they need some more credibility beyond air. 'cause Mercedes look we're trying to win here. But I don't think they're ready to win whether Manny Machado gets there on that. And by the way, Tim you sound so much better than you have in past years. Yes, you can jump in here because we've always had Tim on the phone. But now Josh gave an apt which helped out which insured, Tim was it was a seem. Transition for you to try to figure out that technology. Yeah. My producer, Sean FitzGerald told me today, we should have a daily feature. Tim versus technology to see how terrible he is. And how badly he loses in that fight every day. But today, thanks Josh to do is press a button, even I can do that at age sixty two I create winners Tim that winter. A win for the rest of the season. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. Well, we have a good laugh at Tim's expense. I can tell you this going around from camp to camp and talking with veteran players Tim in the last week. There's no laughter. There's more rage than I can ever. Remember from veteran players in having conversations with them about the labor situation about these unsigned free agents, and we certainly have seen bits and pieces of that on social media. Whether it's just invert Lander or Adam Wainwright. It's remarkable to me where we are right now in this conversation players are just angry in a way that I can't remember them being angered before wherever I go BUSTER. I don't even ask the question at least one two three players in each camp comes up to me and says in some manner or way, what is going on here. And then that begins the discussion instead of, hey, how's your arm or who's playing shortstop or whatever? It's what's going on in the free agent market, and that is a very bad situation. And when I was with the Red Sox the other day Chris sale. One of the great stand up guys ever was asked about you know, Craig kimbrel any just launched into this. You know when the half the half, the teams are just collecting a paycheck. That's not healthy for the game. He didn't even get asked any brought it up. That's where we are now. And you're right BUSTER forty years of baseball. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything where the players are this upset about one. Issue and they're not interested in a pitch clock or not interested in pay supply. They're interested in getting this figured out. And it's going to take a while to get this figured out. And my question about, you know, this because certainly I think that the players do have reasons to to have their questions where you have a situation where teams are not willing to pay players when they hit twenty nine thirty thirty one is free agents. But because of the structure of baseball's financial system, you have a lot of young players who are productive who are not getting paid to me. They should either get paid when they're young or when they're older they shouldn't be penalized in both ends. And there there's certainly I think some questions for the union to ask my. But my question about the union right now is how much organization is taking place with all this anger. How much of that is being channeled into actual ideas in conversations in negotiations for because from what I understand, you know, the the communication now between the two sides here in recent weeks is not. Been good. It is not been productive. And I don't know if it necessarily helps the players to be outward and public about this because I see the reaction on Twitter when a girl Anderson's out a tweet or other players send out tweets where you have a lot of fans who just look at a lot of these guys like they're playing a kid's game, and it should be happy with whatever they make. I don't know if that's necessarily productive way for the players to use their anger. What do you think? Yeah. I agree. I was talking to Adam Wainwright again. One of the great guys in the game. One of the stand up guys. And he just looked at me and said there's one hundred percent chance of a strike right now hundred percent, and this is where we are. But there's another side to this still that the owners are saying look just because we made a bunch of mistakes and free agency five years ago doesn't mean that we are obligated to make those same mistakes we are operating in a different manner. They maintain we're operating in a smart or manner, and I think they're right about that. So there are clearly two sides this, but you're right bus. Stor. We'd better start getting some serious progress made on this issue or else, maybe Adam Wainwright's going to be right. And that sends me to no end. Rob Manfred said yesterday, he's not thrilled about the negativity of the coverage. But I gotta be honest. I don't know how we get away from it. Because whatever can't be go into there are players of things to say again, you see that on social media. And I think that's going to continue. I I for the next couple of years. I don't see any Indian site to that until the two sides actually come up with a new deal, which as I mentioned, they're not even close in the conversations they're having right. And let's just hope BUSTER that this week Dallas kaikal signs and Machado and Harper sign, and that's not all of them. But that's three of them. And then maybe we can turn our attention to what's going on the field. But it just cannot be healthy. When there's just as much discussion about the guys who aren't here as the guys who are here that just the double back a little bit on Machado in the Padres, the one scenario where I think it could make sense for the Padres to make that sort of investment in Machado is if they followed up with an investment in the pitching that's still out on the market. If you're going to sign Machado, then go get Dallas kaikal Goget GIO Gonzalez to lead that staff. What do you think? Yeah. Totally. And yet just to show you how things are done today with the Phillies and a couple of the coaches were telling me, there was a discussion the other. Day about boy, we could really use Dallas kaikal and another coach he doesn't miss enough bats. And again BUSTER I understand the sabermetrics. But because he doesn't strike out enough. People implies he's not a good pitcher that that is when we're taking all of this way too far. What what what's so wrong about getting somebody out on a week ground? Ball would do we have to strike people out? Do we have to miss bats? Is that all your value is wrapped up in Dallas would be perfect for the pirates. He would be perfect for a lot of teams. And it just doesn't make sense. He's still out there. All right. Let's have some baseball conversation. We got this Bleacher tweet from Eric angle. Bard who asked the question, and I'll let you answer this, Tim if you were the general manager of a major league baseball team. Would you rather have eight gold Glover's in your starting lineup or eight guys who hit twenty five plus homers? The floor is yours Tim ho what a great question, I'll say, I'm gonna take the eight gold glove. Hours. Look everyone today BUSTER hits twenty home runs into season. That's just the way the game is played. And a lot of guys are hitting twenty five. So I'm going to say defense. The old cliche is the one thing that shows up every day. And even if you're twenty five Homer guy when you're facing Chris sale or max Scherzer on a really good day. It doesn't matter how good a hitter. You are you are going to lose to a pitcher that good who is locating that day. However, the gold glove guy is basically going to be a gold glove guy every day. So I'll take the defense. I love defense my favorite thing. I'll take the gold Glover's over the twenty five Homer guys. And the closest thing we've seen to that. Are those Orioles teams of the seventies? Correct. Would you agree? Absolutely. I mean, that's how the Orioles won all those years. They had great pitching, which we know. But they're infield defense was sensational with Brooks blander, David Johnson, and boo Powell. That's ultimately how they want. All right. Josh gut into my year. And he was like I have to talk about this. Let me in. So so Tim used an old cliche. I'll use one two ships dig the long Bill like that cliche. Yeah. Because I think an all seriousness if you have eight guys in your lineup hitting twenty five home runs. I realize you might be giving up a lot of runs as well. But I feel like you can moonwalk to ninety two wins. And then in October hit a couple more dinger's and win a World Series. What do you think look your point? Well, made however that that goal Glover might also be a twenty five home run guy. We're not talking about taking nine backup shortstops who can really catch it and put them out there, and they all hit one eighty it's possible to win a gold glove and hit thirty homers guys still do that these days the spirit of question, though, was are you picking offense or defense? I'm picking defense. And I'm standing by it enough and Tim's right? And just. What was the first Red Sox team that you had a sense of that you were when you became a fan which team? Like the like ninety five ish with Mojo Ryon raking. Exactly. Yeah. And mobile on ranking raking, and they had like Jose can Saco what a ten who else was on that team like Kevin Mitchell. Right. Tim like, basically ninety eight. Is that team right and going back even further with the Red Sox? Butch opposite ninth with thirty homers one hundred RBI's and they didn't win. They didn't win the World Series. I'm going with the defense. I have to go somewhere. Let me ask you guys this then we can move on. But serious question. I'm sure if you're a GM in this case, your boss, the owner would be much more interested in the twenty five home run guys because it'll fill up more seats. Correct. While the what about that long? Maybe we have too many long balls in the game today and not enough defense. Yeah. Tim's right. Josh is wrong. Let's move Tim. You've had a great thing on Twitter recently, you're telling spring training stories. What's the favorite spring training story? The put out there. Well, my favorite is the one I believe that personifies spring training more than any. And that's the great Brian Anderson who I saw last night, by the way, right Anderson was pitching for the Indians, you know, twenty years ago, whatever. Was fifteen years ago, and they have a two hour road trip from winter haven to Vero beach and he's pitching that day. And he forgot his cap his glove and his fights. And he's in full uniform driving to go pitch and a game. So he gets off the bus. He goes to WalMart, and he says WalMart it has tires. It has produce in has everything it has to have a baseball glove. So he went in and bought a softball glove for twenty nine ninety five. He said instead it was as big as a butterfly net. And he said it was almost as big as the glove that Greg Maddux used to wear and he said, I got three comebacker that day using a softball glove to me that personifies what spring trainings all about. There's nothing like this aren't a two hour bus trips uniform during the regular season only in spring training. So your story is better than mine, but mine is pretty good is you know, one of the great moments spring. One of the most enjoyable moments. Those first the first time that hinders take live batting practice, and it's always advantage pitcher. But I was in the Padres camp in one thousand nine hundred ninety four and they had a left-hander former number-one pick named Robbie Beckett. Who could he could throw a hundred when nobody could throw a hundred and he also couldn't throw strikes and looking at his his brief major league record seven innings for the Colorado. Rockies nine runs allowed ten walks. Eight strikeouts. Three homers allowed he's left handed. And so he got done warming up. And he jogs onto the field to face the bunch of the Padres and live batting practice. And I look over and all the left handed hitters standing on the side walked away like they're like. Nope. We're not getting the cage against this guy. This early in spring training, this guy cancer strikes and not gonna put myself at risk except for one guy. And that would be Tony Gwynn. Who basically was like, okay. Let's go. I know he's going to be all over the place. But I'm good and. I'm going to be a I'm going to do the best I can against Robbie Beckett. Tony was at three thirty eight lifetime hitter. And I was there when Mitch Williams I camp, he missed the cage BUSTER with a pitchy. Hit a tire on the side of the cage any hit Alan Bannister. And then buddy bell. Larry Perry said, we're not doing this. We're not hitting against him. I asked Mitch afterwards. He goes I understand. I didn't want to kill a veteran player in my first big-league camp. Thank you much. Each. Well, thank you, Tim for that positive coverage at the end of the podcast segment today. I appreciate it. And I will talk to you later in the week. I'm sure all right BUSTER, take care. Geico presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cook. In a serious. Fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. Just nail a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls, you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency. Visit Geico dot com and see how affordable renter's insurance can be. Mark you Sierra played fourteen years in the big leagues four hundred nine career homers. He's now an analyst for ESPN techs. Great to talk with you. And what has been a really slow off season? It has been BUSTER good talking to you as well. All right. I went back and looked this up today before we get ready to talk with you. When you agreed to an eight year deal with the Yankees. The news of that broke December twenty third two thousand eight December twenty third on an eight year deal and Manny Machado and Bryce Harper. Of course, we're in early part of February, and they still don't have contracts. What do you think it's like for them to go through this process? This dragging out this long. This has got to be rough. I mean, eventually they're going to signed big contracts, and they're going to be paid handsomely and fans aren't gonna feel bad for them. But I mean, these guys are human beings. And I remember when I was going through my free agency. The season's over your agency begins the beginning of November. And you want to get it done as quickly as possible. You just wanna get out of the way. So you can focus on your off season workouts and figure out where you're gonna live in spring training, and you new city and so by mid December. I'm calling my agent Scott Boras Saint Scott get this thing done. That's mid December. We're now approaching mid February these guys gotta be going crazy right now. And I've heard this from players and from executives that it's not only about, you know, the players owning Zaidi, but it's the family around them that also sort of feeds that yes, there's no doubt. I mean, I was married with two kids at the time. My third was born while I was playing with the Yankees. But you know, I was a family, man. And and anybody that cares about his his wife and kids and and surrounding family extended family, whether it's parents or brothers sisters in laws, whatever, you know, they have their thoughts to they give you pretty much daily. They give you their thoughts on different teams in different cities. And oh, look at this neighborhood in New York, and oh look at this house in Boston or L A or whatever it is. And it just be is after a while just becomes noise, and it becomes distracting and baseball's hard enough when you're one hundred percent focused on the game in preparing for the season to have those other distractions is not a positive. What's your read on how this is played out for Bryson for Manny? You feel bad for them because you know, in any other market, or at least the previous you know, ten to fifteen years before before this off season. These guys would get paid handsomely. They would have their kind of pick of the litter between you know, the Yankees and the Red Sox dodgers and cubs. And some of these other big teams and eight assign a really nice deal and had their pictures taken and been ready for spring training. But teams as we all know teams are looking at these eight to ten year deals and saying, no more. And I think that those. Those players that got better into their thirties because of PD's they got found out pretty quickly and teams realized pretty quickly that you know, what I'll I'll pay guy till thirty two thirty three after that. I'm just I'm just not going to give a guy thirty plus million dollars into his mid to late thirties. Yeah. And a couple of examples that recently Albert pools two years left, he's owed about sixty million dollars. It's been six years since he had an opium of eight hundred or better Miguel Cabrera five years left on his deal at about one hundred fifty two million dollars. Jim crane. The Astros owner is one of the few people in power that I've heard actually give voice to this early in their off-season. He talked about team shying away and part of that is because of the luxury tax wrestles, which when the last CBA was negotiated there were lower than what people expected, and it feels like a lot of teams are treating that in for this year. It's two hundred and six million as kind of a hard cap. What do you think there's no doubt? And you made a great point about pools and Cabrera in my mind, the two best hitters of my generation of the past fifteen years or Albert polls and Miguel Cabrera anybody that that looked at baseball objectively would say, yeah, these guys are the best. They deserve these contracts. The problem is is in. Years five through ten it just doesn't look as good as it did on the day that you signed it. And a teams were getting smart, and they're not going to give away these eight to ten year deals and also you're right about your the luxury tax is a big thing. And I heard how Steinbrenner talk about I'm not cheap. I'm I'm just you know, kind of working within the rules. And if the rules say that there is a penalty for going over the luxury tax. I'm going to do everything in my possibility to win inside of those roles and not pay that penalty and the best teams the Yankees cubs. Dodgers Red Sox. Those are the teams that would normally be bidding up Harper Machado, and because of the luxury tax threshold. They're just not getting there. And you're right BUSTER, the MLB players association made their own bed. They could have had these thresholds much higher. And they should have had the foresight to realize that our best salaries are top salaries are not. Escalating with the revenues in baseball, and we should raise these luxury tax thresholds. And they just didn't do that. And I feel like that that at the moment that the union actually has some leverage to revisit this. And look major league baseball is communicated the player sociation that they will talk about, you know, changing some of the landscape of the financial issues only within the context extension though. But I think it's worthwhile for the player sociation to explore that and potential leverage of a designated hitter. Which I think teams really want because they don't want pitchers at risk for injuries, the antitank measures that I think everybody in baseball wants some form of then, of course, baseball major league baseball really wanting to change the product in some of the pace of play stuff. What's your sense of where we stand now in the relationship between major league baseball in the union? And what would you do if you were running an in a position of authority within the union will I do agree BUSTER that there is a way that the union can get what they want and the owners can can win as well. I mean, this this can be a win win situation. Rob Manfred and major league baseball our task. With growing the game growing revenues the bringing in more fans, more participation and one of the things that he thinks he can do is if if you can lower the time of game and make games shorter and bring more people to the games, then you know, it'll become more popular and the owners win. And so if I'm the players all of those pace of play that D H in the National League player safety stuff, whatever it might be for me that should all be on the table because I look at the owners and say, okay, what are you guys want to grow the game? And we will we will benefit if you grow the game. So just pay us more. You know, let's let's up the luxury tax thresholds, and we'll give you some of these pace of play and and other competitive balance type stuff in return. What do you think about some of the initiatives that haven't talked about you as a baseball fan? How do you feel about a universal h about a twenty second pitch clock about a rule requiring relievers to face at least three batters? I like all of them. I really do BUSTER. Because I if you don't eve all in the current game of baseball. We're going to keep losing kids. You know, my kids don't watch baseball games the way that I did. Okay. So yeah, I'm a you know, I obviously was a good player and loved watching the game. But even casual fans are are not watching baseball like they used to. They're not going to games like they used to. And if Robin and his team at major league baseball think that shortening the games are away to help that you why not I think the universal D H just makes sense. We have pitchers nowadays that haven't picked up a bat for ten fifteen years of their life. And all of a sudden they get to the major leagues and now have to hit. That's just that's just not fair. Do. Do I really think that fans wanna go to a game and bases loaded? You know middle the game. There's a big situation happening, and oh, here's the pitcher. It's not a Matic out. I I just don't think fans want that. So some of these things that the pitch clock twenty seconds. Absolutely. The the the mound visits. Let's shorten even less mound visits. There's very few situations in baseball where I have to go talk to my pitcher. I mean, you have signs as a catcher for a reason. So all of these proposals for major league baseball makes sense. And I think the union and the owners should get together and figure it out. I gotta say that last year when I saw the the play with Masahiro Tanaka in which he suffered a double hamstring poll while running the bases. I was like, okay. That's the moment. You know, we had the BUSTER Posey collision that changed that rule. We had the Ruben to Hotta chase utley slide that changed that rule. I felt like okay. That sort of clearly demonstrates you have this. It's not like Masahiro Tanaka. His big fat guy who doesn't do any conditioning. He's a terrific athlete. He works like crazy. And as I wrote an accom- last week is like asking you chemists to go the logger for a day. And that's what's nuts. Here busters at in the old days. I mean, heck even even when I was in high school your best players pitched and played a position. So, you know, the the guy that throws ninety seven miles an hour is also probably you're starting center fielder or starting shortstop. And so a whole generation of players. You know, they got to the big leagues. And even if they were a pitcher they weren't fulltime pitcher until maybe they got to professional baseball. And now you have kids and eleven twelve years old that are becoming just pitchers they are specializing in their craft. And they haven't picked up a bat for ten or fifteen years and all the sudden go to the big leagues and have to hit. It just doesn't make sense. All right when it comes to relationship with the union major league baseball and last couple of years and Tony Clark has met with players in spring training. He did it with the rookie development program that they had back in January. He's talked to players about. Hey, save your money prepare for a possible strike when I've heard that it just makes me wince. I gotta be honest because you know, from the time I first started covering baseball. I can remember back then how prepared the players seemed to be for any sort of a labor situation. You can walk up to any number players in a clubhouse, and they could tell you exactly what the union was fighting for and what was on the table, and the the issues that were at stake, and I feel like, and I I don't know players as well as you know players. I just don't get the sense that the players of this era or prepared for something like that. And I say that within the context of if you go back and look at the history of the union when more of an Miller took over he spent years, preparing an educating for players on these issues. And I don't think the unions in that place. Which is why feel like it's dangerous conversation for them. I agree with you BUSTER, this is this is going to be very difficult for the union to to band together. And it does come to that. And obviously, I hope it does not. But I just don't see them striking. I mean, listen, you know, back in the sixty seventies eighties. When you had all these strikes and the last one as you said being in the early nineties players weren't making ten million dollars a year. Play players the minimum salary right now is upwards of six hundred thousand dollars, and there are very few. If any players in all of major league baseball that are going to look at themselves in the mirror look at their families. Look at you know, their bills they have to pay because they're used to a certain lifestyle and say, you know, what my ten million dollar salary isn't good enough. I'm gonna fight for future generations. And I'm going to go on strike. It's different when the average salary was one hundred thousand bucks, right? Because there's there's a lot of things that you could do in in this world with a college education and go, oh you. You know what I don't need baseball. I'm going to go out and do something else. These players are making way too much money right now. And you know, if you told a player, hey, you're at the give up three million bucks for a couple of months of the season to help future generations of players, get their contracts. How many guys are taking that? I just don't know if it's there. Text one you want to camp I'm not going to camp this year. I'm I'm staying. I'm staying here in Bristol. Man. I got there's a lot of action going on here. In bristol. Buster. I gotta I gotta stay home. All right. Well, I appreciate it. And I will see in a few weeks. Good talking to you. Each time for seven inside heat on baseball tonight. Scott Lauber covers the Philadelphia Phillies for the Philadelphia Inquirer. And Scott look everyone's talking about Bryce Harper. Manny Machado, still what's the lady's. You've heard about the Phillies and Bryce. Yeah. All eyes are on the Phillies. It looks like to sort of see when when Bryce Harper literally rolls into the parking lot. Right. And and I think, you know, look yesterday, I spent up at a time with John Middleton, the Phillies owner he was headed over to the east coast of Florida last night. He had a dinner to attend. He did not at any point during our conversation appear to me like he was a man who was about to drop three hundred million dollars on a player. So I I never got the sense yesterday that anything is truly imminent yet. But of course, as you know, these things can happen quickly all takes one phone call to really get the ball rolling. And you know, now we're getting to that point and camp where full squads are starting to work out. And I am sure that players who are unsigned that includes Bryce Harper getting a little itchy. And you know, I don't know that it'll take a whole lot longer if. If the sides are ready to start talking. It feels like what's going on? Now is a lot of maybe negotiating through the media where it feels like little bits and pieces are being dropped. Maybe put pressure on the Phillies or put pressure on the White Sox or maybe put pressure on the Padres. Yeah. Or if you're Bryce Harper and his camp, maybe even put some pressure on the Washington National. You know, if if if the owner there thinks that that things are starting to heat up with the Phillies, maybe he decides to jump back into things. And and try to try to keep price from going to a division rival, you know with with Harper that that wildcard to me is always been out there. You know, you never really sorta know if the nationals were truly truly out of it until he signed somewhere else. So I think you're right. I think at this point there is definitely a lot of a lot of posturing going on on especially on the players side of things. Whether it's Bryce Harper Manny Machado to try to see if they can extract anything more out of their markets at this point in spring training. What's the level of anticipation among Phillies players? It's pretty high. I a lot of them were like a lot of fans in a lot of us in the media where I think they just they're they're wondering day to day. What's going on behind the scenes there are days where I feel like none of us really know most days, I feel like none of us really know what's happening, and he's got a sort of filter. What you know or here based on who you're who you're hearing it from. So I think players are definitely interested. Let's face it. It's going to affect a lot of them. I mean, you were here yesterday BUSTER earlier this week BUSTER, and, you know, I'm sure you talk to some players, and if you're Nick Williams, and you're right fielder and a left handed hitter in the Phillies lineup. It's going to impact. You if Bryce Harper comes to play here, if you're might kill Franco and your third baseman, and they go out and get Manny Machado, you gotta wonder about your future. So it's it's going to have a trickle down effect on players that are in that room. And I think that they like us would like. A resolution to this and be they would just like a little clarity of what's happening. And I, you know, you even talk to Phillies officials who are in the know. And you get a lot of shoulder shrugs and a lot of well, we're waiting just like you're waiting. So I think that you know, I think everyone is sort of getting to that point now where a little bit of clarity. And and a resolution would be a welcome thing. One way or the other. Scott. Thanks for doing this. I'm sure I'll see you soon. Okay. Buster take care. So boy, there's a lot of negative stuff going on in baseball right now. A lot of unhappy players some stars who are still not signed. But on Saturday CCC bath, you one of the most celebrated players among players in baseball. Formerly announced the two thousand nineteen will be his last season. I got a chance to talk with CC after his announcement TC. How did you reach decision wasn't a hard one? You know, just, you know, being being at my age, and you know plan for so long. I think is just time, you know, my family's growing getting older. And it's time for me to be around and hang out with them nineteen years in baseball is a longtime play and I'm definitely blessed and fortunate to be able to play with facility long. But it's definitely time to call hanging out. Look like you got emotional couple of times looking at all your teammates have gathered here to see you. What was that? Like. Yeah. That was tough, man. And just thinking about my you know, my past teammates today burglars, the Ellsberg Samat longs. Jim Thome as just so many countless names and teammates. And you know, just all my guy on up today lose just amazing. Experience in and hopefully, it'd be like that the rest, you know, all summer and just being able to celebrate, you know, the season tell me about some of the people you've heard from ways this news is broken a lot of people. I mean, a lot of my ex team mates. You know, a lot of, you know, Marsha power was a guy that I think about and I'm really close with that. You know, we had a great relationship in Cleveland. I got a text from him this morning Geeta. Text me this morning facade has had a you know, sitting there. Great tax. So it's been a lot of fun to just you know, read that stuff and see that stuff and be around. And and hopefully, I got said it just continues. Bleak here tweets daily, bleed your tweets BUSTER. Yeah. Love it got old friends got some new ones. That's the way we like it just make sure you use the hashtag Bleacher tweets if you wanna be a part of the show all season long. Archie banks gets the first crack Adam today. Well, second crack because we already heard from esoteric Eric with Tim. But semantics BUSTER semantics Archie says, hey BUSTER, who do you think will be the closest challengers to the Astros in the American League West is coming season. And how close do you think that race will be? Because they picked the Astros to win the World Series. They'll say flat out. I don't think it'll be close, and I'm gonna give my respects to the Oakland Athletics. Who had a terrific season last year? They made the playoffs. They surprise people. We know the angels are trying to be competitive. I just don't see them having enough pitching this year to get close. So it'll be Oakland. But they'll still be far behind Houston over under fifteen games. Oh under I think. Yeah. I think Oakland's a good team. I think the one ninety ninety five come on. Josh all I the way you were talking about it it sounded like nobody else really even has a chance Oakland would be second. But it would be a run away. So I thought fifteen games was a good line. But you'll you'll take let the record show James is next at the James Litton BUSTER once the Harper and Machado deals are done with the angels, be wise to float an extension by Mike trout in would he be wise to sign it, providing it's more than what Harper gets and James welcome back to bleed you tweets this year. Look, I think that probably have already been conversations between the angels, Mike trout might trout is not going to be someone who's going to leak it out to reporters. The angels wanna keep this on lockdown. I suspect that sometime during the winter, they floated out some numbers, and maybe they were conversations. Maybe they went somewhere. Maybe not I feel like that all of trout's conversations are going to be completely independent of anything else going on. 'cause he's someone. I think they have no problem paying whatever he's looking for. And they'd be wise to do. So Carl DM Morton is next at Morton car. If Harper goes to the Phillies combination of Harper and Hoskins hit more home runs than Stanton. And judge also which combo draws more walks in Carl says, I like these two comparisons. Because two of the guys are big signings in two of them, of course, were homegrown within that organization. Yeah, I feel like I mean, I'll take the safe pick. And I'll say standing judge will hit more homers than the other guys. But I mean, look Reese Hoskins is one of our favorites on this podcast. What a what a terrific leader. How cool would that be to see Harper hitting in front of him in the lineup? I think they would generate a lot of production. I still think because the Yankee stadium's right field. That's an inherent advance. For pull judge in Stanton. And I know Philly's is a great hitter spot. I was gonna say that's Bank isn't exactly the polo grounds. Bus. No stadium is it's it's the place where every batter right handed left-hander. Once they hit finally Matt Spiegel at speaks ten twenty seven BUSTER. This is a general question for you. What's the very best part of spring training in your eyes? The conversations you get the have with different people and their casual conversations look the World Series and everything is structured. They're a billion reporters around. No one's very relaxed. They all have something to do in spring training. You have something like this. The other day bumped into Ron Guidry who's an instructor in the eighties camp. And I talked to him about an eighteen strikeout. Gaming head for the Yankees in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight and he told me this great story about how I came up on the scoreboard in seventh inning of that game that he had fifteen strikeouts. And he and Thurman Munson are looking at each other saying really fifteen strikeouts and Munson turn to him and said if you don't go for the record in the ninth inning. I'm gonna break your arm. So those are you you get a lot of great stories in spring training. Absolutely. Thanks, everyone for the Bleacher tweets we had him today. We'll have them tomorrow will have the next day. We have them every single weekday. You can believe it or not from now until after the World Series. We are off and running BUSTER how cool is that? It's cool. And this is just one of many podcasts. We'll be doing all year. We'll be doing daily during the course of the season. We'll be back on Tuesday as of today. Just the for me to be a nationals camp. When I get the feeling that's one of those. We'll see where Machado and Harper sign, and then we'll we'll turn your car around BUSTER. Everything's fluid in February BUSTER. Yeah. One hundred percent. Well, that's it for today. My thanks to Mark to share Tim Kirk to Scott Lauber and Josh macrey who produces podcast every day. Thanks for joining us this year guys and enjoy your day. We'll talk again tomorrow. 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I-5 Series Rosters Revealed: Wholl Win?

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I-5 Series Rosters Revealed: Wholl Win?

"I'm John J of the San Francisco Chronicle. And thanks for joining us on this. Very special podcast. We're revealing the results of the voting for the all-time Northern California and Southern California baseball teams through the San Francisco Chronicle in Los Angeles Times. You picked the rosters more than one hundred thousand votes. All Dave Robertson gave Kappler are deciding the lineups for the opener in the best of seven series. The I five series and John Miller will provide highlights on a future podcasts. I everybody in welcome to the PODCAST. I'm John Shea. And I'm with Bruce Lee of the San Francisco Chronicle and Houston Mitchell and Steve Henson of the Los Angeles tons. And we've got some big news share history in the making the big project we've been working on and you listeners and readers and fans have been working on setting the I five rosters for our effort on May twenty sixth Some great details here. We have all the rosters and thirty. Four per northern California and thirty four for southern California and thousands and thousands and thousands of people voted for this On SF CHRONICLE DOT COM AND LAWS LA TIMES DOT COM. So anyway let's Let's move forward. We're having this big apple game. You know the the the card game the dice game the board game and Apapa the company a PPA is actually going to weigh in on May twenty sixth when the best of seven series is underway North Northern California Southern California? They're taking over and they're going to run the show From there but the cool news is that Gabe Kappler of the giants and Dave Roberts of the dodger. They're actually in a pick. The lineups based on the rosters decided by the people. So anyway how you guys doing really well John. Good Great John. Well how how Bruce you I start with you. How the how the northern California roster shape shaped up You know through chronicle voting and assume you la times voting as well. But I understand forty five thousand nine hundred twenty five votes were cast individually you know all the positions and one hundred thousand hundred thousand hall In this crazy statewide election. It's just it's just amazing. How many how? The public has responded to this year. More than one hundred thousand votes total for between the two regions. And I gotTa tell you what they came up with. Northern California is so authentic so knowledgeable. You know we've got guys on here that go back way back early. Twentieth centuries of several of them made the roster. Didn't some of the current guys like Aaron. Judge Gorsuch are on their Nolan or not but I was just so impressed by the way it came out. I think is in the southland. I think there's a little bit more controversy which you can get into as far as flares off. If you like me to run down the northern California roster. I will do that. Yeah well let let. Let's let's do that in fact one of the things I noticed. You know if you're ten or twelve you're not gonNA see Brandon Crawford or Markelle Simeon. They finished fourth and fifth and retook the top three from every position but to Lewinsky rollins. Joe Cronin from the Nineteen Thirties. That's that they set the pace. Yeah we can start there. I think that's absolutely authentic Joe. Cronin's a hall of Famer. Jimmy rollins had her seasons even in Sandy and last year in two weeks had many of them so as much as we love. Sammy and know Crawford is more of a sympathetic Unbelievable defensive player but neither one of those guys measures up to do the three that made Anita here. Got Jim for go. See Larry Bowl on the sidelines to Chris. Fire so that was an interesting position over at third base Carney Lancer got the most votes. We got everybody in his best season. That's an important thing to remember when we're playing this game carney last week winning the American league batting title with anyone Red Sox so he of course he is career speaks for itself and then we can Kennedy was an MVP and Stan hat from the nineteen thirty eight cubs made it. You know I love this. I love the people know who he is and and at least some of the people enough to get him in in the top three everybody. What Three d. Second Base Joe Morgan Age. The Way Tony was a great player. Claiming Babe Ruth Lou gehrig and Dustin Pedroia who unfortunately had to retire but at some fantastic seats with the red sox that's looking group at second base first base. I'd say pretty clear. Cut Willie stargell fall but a key through Nanas and Bill Buckner Start. Those were the three guys in it's I don't think there's a whole lot of argument there. In the outfield. The top three vote eaters. Were Joe Dimaggio. Ricky Henderson and Barry Bonds. That sounds pretty good. Yeah I'M GONNA have a D. H. So Frank will slide in era. Maybe maybe Ricky Anderson will be who knows acid. The the top floors is pretty amazing. Left dual hitting three ninety eight for the nineteen twenty nine phillies is in their McGee. East Bay guy. Aaron judge hitting what fifty two homers for the ankle years ago Curt flood is well. Remembered is in the Bigeye in Harry Heilmann four hundred hundred way back in the nineteen twenty-three Tigers rounds out the the outfield. In in in that case you've got some guys didn't make it like a pension and and Jackie Jensen Joe Fans. But you know it's a tough hang tough hang in there. And then finally the pitching staff the rotation guys are GonNa be. We're not serpent with three or four man rotation but the candidates Randy Johnson. Tom Seabird Dave Stewart. You know I can stop right there. Lefty Gomez C Sabathia Mike Norris with nineteen eighty as when he was almost unhittable bullpen had taxi. Dave Righetti time McGraw and and John Wetland and the People's minute there I think Dave Steve is pretty notable. I'm not sure one wants norris or wetland. They're headed Dave Steve at that. They are Maloney so but overall I'm really pleased with the way this voting. It's it's good looking roster very authentic lot more relievers on one side than the other I guess that doesn't matter because you could throw lots or Johnson in the eighth inning right. I team yeah can't you can't You just can't deny some great starters on on both sides You'RE GONNA lead. Jim Palmer drives up there and and I'm anxious to hear Stephen. Houston talk about how the southern California team broke down in. By the way I've loved the Harry Heilmann hit. I mean sands that great. I'm Jay leaders history. Now San Francisco Guy Hits hit on Monroe guy was just monstrous so yeah. He's coming off the bench around say so used. Why don't you go ahead and go through the southern California team that made it and then? And then I'll be the contrarian point out who maybe should have made it We'll start with cancer. We have a Gary Carter leading the way. He was named on ninety almost ninety eight percent of the ballots we received. We received a sixty one thousand seven hundred two ballots so that was pretty impressive. Eric Harder Lance Parrish. Bob Boom are catchers are they. Were pretty clear. Talks to Mike. Lieberthal finished fourth F. Alibi del Batty. We'll go to first base next Eddie. Murray Mark Maguire and a service surprise West Parker edged out Cecil fielder at first as our refers basically Murray wire and offer a second base. Jackie Robinson Jeff cat and chase utley former dodgers second base there Just being out. Bobby was for a third as George Brett Andy. Matthews and Nolan are an auto just entry now a dodger Justin Turner. So Dave Roberts will feel about that. We'll see a guess at shortstop Ozzie. Smith leading the way followed by Nomar Garciaparra a solid three people there Arc Yvonne. Who probably should have been on the list finished fifth? Lsd faulk about work and feel our nine out. Feelers are starting three. I'm assuming it is starting. I'll stack this up against anybody. Ted Williams Duke Snider Asan at Amazing Outfield Right. There backing them up will be Christian. Yelich Fred Lynn. Ralph kiner dusty Baker George Foster and Avi Vons so have against Barry bonds of the outfield. That'll be interesting. Are Ten pitchers would only have to relievers who've made the team that's rollie fingers and Trevor Often The other pitchers Don Drysdale Walter Johnson. Jim Palmer not rough Saberhagen. Stephen Straus were burt bly Levin Garrett Cole and Bob Lemon aside wraps up our team and I know Steve has some thoughts on the team. At the He'd love to share while the first one is that The to sort of omissions that are that are a little glaring and Reno. It's understandable because it's it's two players from the Nineteen Thirties Not Name you know Babe Ruth and Lou gehrig their their their names that you know if you follow baseball you odd. You've heard of them but you're not quite sure what they've done and it really does go back to that central point that we were choosing these players based on their best season and there was just on the northern California team. It seemed like the fans did go with Joe. Cronin a great example. Go with the guys that had these. You know remarkable hitting seasons way back nearly one hundred years ago and On this southern California team the two that stand out you know babe. Herman didn't make it He was very close but he didn't make it. And if you go back and look at the season we were talking about. He hit three ninety. Three thirty five home runs in his OPIE S. Was One thousand one hundred and thirty two. I mean it was clearly a season that could have helped this team and nineteen. Thirty five led the League batting three eighty five on base percentage close to five hundred. Slugging percentage swelled so for a shortstop that was clearly the best shortstop season. It's the fans had their say and Ed shortstop or covered Nomar Garciaparra. Had the the the year were using is was a second batting title row. Three seventy two and two thousand twenty one home runs and his opium was over a thousand. We're in good hands with no more on. This kind of underscores defense is important and from what I understand. It's important and APPA now Ozzie. Smith let our voters are shortstop of voters in and But but if you look at his his offensive numbers for his best season. It just doesn't stand up. You know just wasn't wasn't A slogger a tremendous editor as much as he was an incredible short and did amazing backflips between innings. Also you know the was. Those are the two omissions and I would say. Also and Catcher the best offensive year was Mike. Lee Revolves is the only guy had three hundred and and he had a lot of that year was really a big year for him with the phillies and was the catchers. Were in good hands of that position to three three stalwarts on to great team. Dave Roberts is GonNa have a lot of fun. Pick an starting lineup You know and the rotation you can spend a century you can have Walter Jones to start the first game and Garrett Cole from Corney nineteen start the second game and then somebody in between like Don Drysdale Jim Palmer. Start third game. The that's that's what's going to be the fun of this is You know just just kind of spanning all through baseball and having you know somebody from the nineteen thirties or forties batting against a contemporary pitcher or vice versa The one thing I will say. I'm sure that I can I? Can I can guarantee. Is that Davor. Arbitral have cable? He was batting three hole. We'll be back with Bruce Jenkins of the San Francisco Chronicle and Houston Mitchell and Steve Hanson of the Los Angeles Times. After this quick break hi. I'm Lily Janik. The chronicles theater critic join me and local playwright. Meghan Cohen for an exclusive online member event on Wednesday may twentieth at four. Pm. We're going to talk about what excites us right now in the local theatre scene what. It means to be a theater artist when audiences can't gather in person and what's going to happen to theater as an art form as shelter in place persists and once it Lifts Reserve Your Spot today at SF chronicle dot com slash membership. So the I five series made twenty six the best of seven and Napa game and even though gave Kappler and Dave Roberts will be drawing up the lineup on May nineteenth Catch that on. Zoom and followed by the way The updates on SF chronicle dot com slash sports in LA TIMES DOT com slash sports even though Robertson capital. Regina up the lineup. You guys are GonNa Manage Right. So Bruce and from the northern California and. How's this southern California team going to be run go ahead? Houston managing the southern California's. A way. It works. I mean Kaplan Roberts are GonNa pick the opening night lineups. But once they do that. It's in our hands and I've been talking to Houston about this. You know we're not going to turn it into a little league thing where everybody plays inning. But we is who have never sat on anybody's bench and I think both of us are going to make a real effort to get. Most of them ended series in a relevant way so the lineup struck us after after opening night. And I think we're both GONNA make sure that fans get a look at the most. Maybe all of these players. I hope it goes seven. Is that would almost guarantee it. Well who would you guys hit one through four? I'm just kinda curious this is I mean. It's it's up to Kappler and Roberts for game one but and then you decide you know the rest of the series but but just I mean these lineups are stacked be wonderful to find out through four for example well here in the north I I think Rickey Henderson is probably the greatest leadoff man that there ever was certainly in the arguments. He leads off for me. I follow him with Joe Morgan. Then Joe Dimaggio Barry Bonds and frank routes not bad. How about in the Southland? That's that's pretty good. I think I might want to see already known. I think he got a leadoff. Probably with Jackie Robinson. Just get that speed up the lineup. Batta Tony gwynn seconds Ted Williams Third Duke Snider Force Eddie. Murray that's pretty top five. That's pretty good to look. Hey Bruce hundred refresher course. In in terms of how once again you came up with these names because I'm looking at dusty Baker whose representing the south but he kind of grew up in Riverside spent high school you back or mental whereas you draw the line on the formative years yeah My whole thing the thing that separates these teams if you could just do change based on what state they were born in but it really wouldn't be realistic. You wouldn't have Jackie Robinson on the southern California team. Even though he's all the way Pasadena you wouldn't have Frank Robinson curt flood and Willie stargell their total. East Bay guy so that was my criteria and usually it's pretty clear. Cut Families moved to the area in an early age. You know with dusty. He grew up in Riverside. He actually started high school in down there. He doesn't cal all the way he finished high school up here but he grew up down there The one really interesting guy. It's not terribly clear. Cut his Walter Johnson and who some say is the greatest pitcher of all time from way back in nineteen thirteen. He grew up in a farm in Kansas You know in the early twentieth century but moved to Orange County and went to high school in Fullerton. High School moved there when he was fourteen. So I just have to think that you know he really learned the game and and figure to hang out in southern California. So he's he's pitching for Houston and they enjoy that that aspect of it. You only other one. That COMES TO MIND. Is Jim Palmer? Who was born in New York moved to the La area for youth ball and then went to high school in Arizona? There's no snow Arizona team and you make one would be much consequence so I think he. He qualifies Southern California Kids. Who so he's he's on that team. That's how it went and took a lot of to make sure I had everybody. Correctly issued beyond. And you know I did it for the whole country if you WANNA play Texas against Pennsylvania ready to go house. Delaware and Rhode Island looking right about now. I've got a got. A New England is is a region and into itself and so as the mid Atlantic and the deep south that for that sort of thing we got some. We got some email from fans Bruce addressed this wondering if they were pretty unhappy good-naturedly so why. Tom seaver was on the north. He's such a USC standout yes. I think what I I drew this up in the nineteen eighties. I decided that we needed him. So we'll cut it off at Fresno terribly bad place to cut it off but Yeah it's it's it's very it's pretty arbitrary I went I looked at the southern California rotation and said. Jeez you know And I think northern Northern California with claim Fresno as well. I think it's kind of IT'S A. It's not a handy stop from the bay area but it's not that far so good question though. The Fan does fans have a ballot. Argument will speaking of the middle of California House thrilled. Is Stephen Boat Right about now? Well Yeah you know. I was surprised. I've been doing this long time. It's not that surprising but the catching position in northern California's is really weak. I mean as sleepwalking del Crandall Land Parish and Bob. Boone and Lieberthal doesn't even make it. Stephen vote is like the number. Two Guy in northern California behind the greater in Lombardy got gusts. Charlie severe guys like that good names but but Steven vote was the number two votes. Get Her and he's he's got play time. Even vote is a great clubhouse guy. He's know with all these stars sitting on the bench. Maybe feeling a little disgruntled. He's a great guy to have is GonNa have in Your Doug. But that's that's really true and and this does go go beyond the the stats in a Lotta cases. The guys who are just they're just may stay for years and years and years and got to be involved somehow. Well how is clubhouse? Chemistry valued in APPA is not in the slightest. But I mean that's where your imagination works in a big way when you're managing these teams you can. You don't WanNa do anything to outside but you can. You can just say you know what I think. I've never seen Tom seaver flustered but he looks a little rattled out there. I think I might bring in. You Know Reagan Mike Norris right this stuff like that a lot of fun with it. I don't take any fights are gonNA break up but there is a thing where Rosen first and third. Twenty-three number comes out. You got a rainout games over. What about injuries yeah? Injuries happened Guys are for four five six seven games. What's the longest you've seen? The guy can be out Houston I can't recall a longest can be out. Although very rarely happens is sixty games. Yeah I mean good Lord. Yeah we're talking to Tommy Davis slide into the second and they're cool thing by Abbas they rate each player individually so if for example we had cal ripken or Gehrig on one of our teams. They would never get injured. Was injury prone would be more much more likely to get injured in this game. An great thing about taking this over with it's computerized versions because it's it's much more sophisticated than the way John you and I and everybody been rolling the dice for all these years and unfortunately we won't be rolling the dice which is a little bit of a loss because you're rolling the dice. It's kind of like an art in itself you know if you've been in Vegas and Blade that kind of that kind of you know what that's like but but instead of that you just push a button and here comes the pitch. And here's what happens at the trade off with APA Taking this thing over its way more sophisticated and a lot. More details of the players. Come into play like the way I played the game. Cal ripken could get her. It wouldn't and now you've got all these other factors that are just fantastic less gray one thing. We need to mention his John. Miller will present some of the highlights This which is pretty cool. So there's no baseball but everybody at the highest level is weighing in. And that's pretty anything else. You just what Lee. How how into this John Miller is he's like hey what? Where does that game I? I'm ready to go. We're going to have a podcast. After the thing is over wrapping up how it went and and we'll we'll run down the highlights in every so often donald margin with his call up that particular play. I'm sure there'd be like twenty twenty five of them so that'd be fantastic. The all southern California highlights coach to win pretty easily. I well I'm in Russia's top five hitters again Ricky Morgan go to Maggio now. It's going to be great and this is this. I had this dream of this Starting that way back in the nineteen seventies when I worked in the chronicle desk and had a lot of time in my hands. It's coming up this and and here. We are with a truly great thing that the whole World Roy will beautiful stuff so we we had Northern California Votes Forty Five Thousand Nine hundred twenty five southern California sixty one thousand seven hundred and two. That's one hundred seven thousand twenty seven days. He could make Mike. God it's not what you envisioned in the sixties Bruce. No and we talked about this. You should we have veto power. We went to override. I know I say let the but the fast have have spoken. And then that's when it'll be all that well I guess we could wrap it up and just say that Good SF CHRONICLE DOT COM SLASH SPORTS LA TIMES DOT com slash. Sports and Tuesday may nineteenth. There will be zoom with eight Kappler Dave Roberts Announcing the starting lineups for game one of the best of seven apathy which will all the Games will be played on. May Twenty Six It's the I five series northern California versus southern California all-time team's GonNa be great stuff. 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I-5 Series Rosters Revealed: Wholl Win?

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I-5 Series Rosters Revealed: Wholl Win?

"I'm John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle and thanks for joining us on this. Very special podcast. We're revealing the results of the voting for the all time Northern California and Southern California baseball teams through the San Francisco Chronicle and Los Angeles Times. You picked the rosters more than one hundred thousand votes in all Dave Robertson gave Kappler are deciding the lineup for the opener in the best of seven series. The I five series and John Miller will provide highlights on a future podcasts. Everybody and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm John Jay. And I'm with Bruce of the San Francisco Chronicle and Houston Mitchell and Steve Hanson of the Los Angeles tons. And we've got some big news to share history in the making the big project we've been working on and you listeners. And readers and fans have been working on a setting the I five rosters for our Africa and on May Twenty Six Some great details here. We have all the rosters in thirty four per northern California and thirty four for southern California and thousands and thousands and thousands of people voted for this On SF CHRONICLE DOT COM and laws La TIMES DOT COM. So anyway we let's Let's move forward. We're having this big apple game. You know the the the card game the dice game the board game and APPA the company. Appa is actually going to weigh in on May twenty six when the best of seven series is underway North Northern California Southern California They're taking over and they're going to run the show from their end butts. The cool news is that Gabe Kaplan of the giants and Dave Roberts of the dodger. They're absolutely in a pick. The lineups based on the rosters decided by the people. So anyway how you guys doing really. Well John Good. It was great John. Well how how Bruce you want to start with you. How the how the northern California roster shape shaped up You know through chronicle voting and I assume you know La Times Voting as well but I understand forty five thousand nine hundred twenty five votes. Were cast individually. You know all the positions and one hundred thousand hundred thousand overall In this crazy statewide election. It's just it's just amazing. How many how? The public has responded to this more than one hundred thousand votes total for between the two agents and I gotTa tell you what. They came up with Nana California's so authentic in so knowledgeable. You know we've got guys on here that go back way back early. Twentieth centuries of several of them made the roster didn't it some of the guys like Aaron Judge of course you are on their Nolan auto but I was just so impressed by with came out. I think in the southland. I think. There's a little bit more controversy which you can get into as far as players left off but if you like around down the northern California roster will do that. Yeah well let let. Let's let's do that in fact one of the things I know. So you know if you're ten or twelve you're not gonna see Randy Crawford or Marcus. Simeon finished fourth and fifth and retook the top three from every position but to Lewinsky rollins and Joe Cronin from the Nineteen Thirties. That's that they set the pace. Yeah we can start there. I think that's absolutely authentic hall of Famer. Jimmy rollins a seasons even Sammy. San last year in to whiskeys had many of them so as much as we love. Salmon and Crawford is more of sympathetic Unbelievable defensive player but neither one of those guys measures up to do the three that made Anita. You Got Jim for ghosts. In Larry on the sideline student Chris Fire so that was an interesting position. Over at third. Base Carney Lansford got the most oats. We got everybody in his best season. That's an important thing to remember when we're playing this game. We've got Carney last winning the American league batting title with a Red Sox so he and of course he's is career speaks for itself and then we've got ten nitty was an MVP and Stan Hack from the Nineteen. Thirty eight cubs made it. You know I love this. I love the people know who he is. And and a at least some of the people enough to get him in in the top three. We asked everybody. What Three D Second Base Joe Morgan Each the way Tony Lewis area. Great player playing with Babe Ruth. Lou gehrig Dustin Pedroia who unfortunately had to retire but at some fantastic with the red sox. That's a good looking group at second base first base. I'd say pretty clear cut. Willie stargell fall but Keith. Hernandez and Bill Buckner those. I think from the start. Those were the three guys in takers. A whole lot of argument there in the outfield. The top three vote-getters were Joe Dimaggio. Ricky Henderson and Barry Bonds. That sounds pretty good. Yeah I'm going to have a D. H. so Frank Robinson will slide in narrow. Maybe maybe Ricky Henderson it'll be the DA's who knows the top is is pretty amazing. Left dual hitting three ninety eight for the Nineteen Twenty Nine. Phillies is in there. Mcgee is big. Aaron judge hitting fifty two horace for years ago curt flood is well remembered is in big guy and Harry Heilmann four hundred hundred way back from the nineteen twenty-three Tigers rounds out the the outfield. In that case you've got some guys that didn't make it a pension and Jackie Jackson Joe Rudy Fans. But you know it's tough hang. It's a tough hand getting in there and then finally the pitching staff. The road guys are going to be. We're not serpent with three or four man. Rotation with the candidates are Randy Johnson. Tom Seabird Dave Stewart. I can stop right there. Lefty Gomez cease about the Mike Norris with nineteen eighty as when he was almost unhittable out of the bullpen. In the sacristy David Getty time crying and John Wetland and the people mid I think Dave Steve is pretty notable. I'm not sure one wants to Nora's wetland in there ahead of but that they are Maloney so I'm really pleased with the way this voting when it's it's good looking roster and very authentic. There are a lot more relievers on one side than the other. I guess that doesn't matter because you could throw lots of Johnson in the eighth inning right. I team yeah you can't you can't you just can't deny some great starters on on both sides you're not gonNA LEAD. Jim Palmer Don Drysdale up. There stands out the next here. Stephen Houston talk about how southern California team broke down. Yeah by the way I've loved the Harry Heilmann yet. I mean it's readers. Snow their district. Yeah San Francisco. I hit Hit on this monstrous. So yeah he's unique venture sake. Who's doing what? Why don't go ahead and go through the Southern California? Tv made it. And then and then I'll be the contrarian and point out who maybe should have made it. We'll start with catcher. We have a Gary Carter leading the way. He was named on ninety almost ninety eight percent of the ballots we received we received a sixty one thousand seven hundred two Alex. So that was pretty impressive earhart Lance Parrish and Bob. Boom are three catchers. Are they were pretty clear? Talks Serie Mike. Lieberthal finished fourth F. Alibi delco batty. We'll go to first base next Eddie Murray Mark Maguire and in a sort of a surprise West Parker etched out Cecil fielder. At first a sarthe refers face will be Murray wire and less Second Base Jackie Robinson and Chase Utley. Three former dodgers second base Just being out bombing issues for thirty days George Brats Eddie. Mathews and Nolan are an auto adjust entry now. Kara Dodger Justin Turner. So Day. Roberts will now. We'll see. I guess at shortstop Ozzie. Smith leading the way followed by Nomar Garciaparra and yount a solid. Three people there Arc Yvonne who probably should have been on the list finished fifth. Alessi talk about that and they all feel are nine out. Feelers are starting three. I'm assuming David are starting three. I'll stack up against anybody Ted Williams Duke Snider and Tony. I'm asking him at amazing outfield right. There backing them up will be Christian. Yelich Fred Lynn. Rows tyner dusty Baker George Foster an Ati bonds so have gone against Barry Bonds to the outfield. That'll be interested are ten pitchers willing to relievers who've made the team that's Rollie fingers and Trevor often the other pitcher Don Drysdale Walter Johnson. Jim Palmer read Saberhagen. Stephen Straus were burt bly Levin Garrett Cole and Bob Lemon so that wraps up our team and I know Steve has some Fox. On the team of the he'd love to share while the first one is the the two Sort of omissions that are that are a little glaring Reno. It's understandable because it's it's two players from the Nineteen Thirties Not Name you know Babe Ruth and Lou gehrig their their their names that You know if you follow baseball you you've heard of them but you're not quite sure what they've done and it really does go back to that central point that we were choosing east players on their best season and there was just a on the northern California team. It seemed like the the fans did go with like Joe. Cronin is a great example. Go with the guys that. Have these remarkable hitting seasons way back nearly one hundred years ago and on the southern. California team the two that stand out you know babe. Herman didn't make it. He was very close but he didn't make it. And if you go back and look at the seasonally we're talking about. He hits three ninety. Three thirty five home runs and his opie was one thousand one hundred and thirty two. I mean it was clearly a season that could have helped this team in nineteen thirty five. Rt On led the League in batting three eighty five on base percentage close to five hundred. Slugging percentage well so for shortstop that was clearly the bus shortstop season. But you know it's the fans had their say and At shortstop or covered Nomar Garciaparra. Had the your we're using? It was a second batting title in a row. Three seventy two and two thousand twenty one runs and his opie was over a thousand or in good hands with no more on you know. This kind of underscores were you know. Defense is important and from what I understand. That's important APPA. Now Ozzie. Smith led. Our voters are shortstop of voters in and But but if you look at his his offensive numbers for his best season. It just doesn't stand up you know. He just wasn't wasn't Slugger and he wasn't a a tremendous hitter as much as he was an incredible shortstop and did amazing backflips between innings. Also you know the that was those. Were kind of the two omissions and I I would say also. At catcher the the best offensive year was Mike. Lieberthal is the only guy had three hundred and he had a lot of home runs. That year was really a big year for him with the phillies. And he's on the team either but the catchers were in good hands with that position to three three stalwarts on eighteen. Dave Roberts is going to have a lot of fun picking the starting lineup And the and the rotation you can span a century you can have Walter Johnson start the first game and Garrett Cole from Corning Nineteen start the second game and then somebody in between like dry Don Drysdale Jim Palmer start third game. The that's that's what's going to be the fun of this is You know just kind of all through baseball and having you know somebody from the nineteen thirties or forties batting against Peru pitcher or vice versa The one thing I will say. I'm sure that I can I can guarantee. Is that Dave Roberts left Ted Williams. Battening a thrill. We'll be back with Bruce Jenkins of the San Francisco Chronicle and Houston Mitchell and Steve Hanson of the Los Angeles Times. Right after this quick break. Hey Audrey Cooper here editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and we've ramped up the news coming at you from fifth emission except not the physical that the mission since we're all working at home the fifth and mission. That is our flagship news. Podcast were interviewing anyone with anything to say about the corona virus so that you have the latest information as soon as we know it so check it out. Fit The mission. Wherever you get your podcasts. So it's the I. Five series may twenty six the best of seven in game. And even though gave Kappler. And Dave Roberts will be drawing up the lineup On May Nineteenth Catch that on. Zoom followed by the way the updates on SF chronicle dot com slash sports in LA TIMES DOT com slash sports even though Robertson capital. Regina the lineup. You guys are going to manage. Right so bruce this year from the northern California and. How's this southern California team going to be run go ahead? Houston managing the southern California team. The way it works. Jon Kaplan Roberts are GonNa pick the opening night lineups. But once they do that. It's in our hands and I've been talking to Houston about this. You know we'RE NOT GONNA turn it into a little league thing where everybody plays an inning. You know we've got is who have never sat on anybody's bench and I think both of us got to make a real effort to get most of them ended a series in a relevant way. So you know the lineups throughout the US after after opening night and I think we're both GonNa make sure that fans get a look at the most. Maybe all of these players. I hope it goes seven. Is that would almost guarantee it. Well who would you guys hit one through four? I'm just kinda curious. This is I mean it's up to Kappler and Roberts for game one but and then you decide you know the rest of the series but but just I mean these lineups are stacked. I'd be wonderful to find out one through four for example well Here in the north I I I think Rickey Henderson is probably the greatest leadoff. Man that there ever was He certainly in the arguments he leads off for me. I follow him with Joe Morgan. Then Joe Dimaggio Barry Bonds and frankly not bad. How about in the Southland? That's that's pretty good. I think I might want to see already known. Theon leadoff probably Jackie Robinson. Just get that speed up the lineup. Batta Tony gwynn seconds. Ted Williams Third Duke neier forth any Murray Fifth. That's pretty top five. That's pretty good to. Hey He Bruce. What about a refresher course? In in terms of how once again you came up with these names 'cause I'm looking at dusty Baker whose representing the south but he kind of grew up in Riverside Spent High School Akron Ohio. Where did you draw the line on the formative years? Yeah My whole thing. The thing that separates these teams if you could just do James based on what state they were born in but it really wouldn't be realistic. You know you wouldn't have Jackie Robinson on the southern California team. Even though he's all the way Pasadena you wouldn't have Frank Robinson curt flood and Willie stargell. They're totally big. So that was my criteria and usually. It's pretty clear. Cut The families move into the area an early age with dusty. He grew up in Riverside he actually started high school in down there southern cal all the way he finished high school up here but he grew up down there. The one really interesting guy. It's not terribly clear. Cut his Walter Johnson and who some say is the greatest pitcher of all time from way back east His years nineteen thirteen. He grew up in a farm in Kansas You know in the early twentieth century but moved to Orange County and went to high school in Fullerton. High School moved there when he was fourteen. So I just have to thank you. Know he really learned the game and and figure to hang out in southern California. So he's he's pitching for Houston and I'm sure they enjoy that that aspect of it The other one that comes to mind is Jim Palmer. Who was born in New York moved to the L. A. Area for youth ball and then went to high school in Arizona? There's no snow Arizona team and you make one but it wouldn't wouldn't be much consequence so I think he. He qualifies as a southern California kids. So he's he's on that team but that's how it went and took a lot of research to To make sure I had everybody Correctly you issues beyond you know I it for the whole country if you WANNA play Texas against Pennsylvania next. I'M READY TO GO HOUSE. Delaware and Rhode Island looking right about now. Yeah well I've got a got. A New England is is a region into itself and so as the mid Atlantic and the deep south that that sort of thing we got some we got some email from fans. Bruce addressed wondering are they were pretty unhappy good-naturedly so that why. Tom seaver was on the North. And he's such a USC. Standout yeah. I I think what I I do. These drew this up in the nineteen eighties. I decided that we needed him. So we'll cut it off at Fresno Fresno is terribly bad place to cut it off but Yeah it's it's it's very it's pretty arbitrary but I went I looked at the southern California rotation and said Jeez you know and I think northern northern California would claim Fresno as well. I think it's kind of IT'S A. It's a handy stopped from the bay area but it's not that far so good question though. The Fan knows. Fans have a ballot. Argument will speaking of the middle of California House thrilled. Is Stephen Boat Right about now? Well Yeah you know. I was surprised. No I've been doing this a long time. It's not that surprising but the catching position in northern is is really weak. I mean as Steve was talking about you know Del. Crandall Lance Parrish and Bob. Boone and Lieberthal doesn't even make it. Stephen Vote is like the number two guy in northern California behind the greater in Lombardy. And you've got gusts triandos Charlie Silveira and guys like that good names. But but Stephen Vote was the number two votes. Get Her and he's his time. Even vote is a great clubhouse guy. He's a he's with all these stars sitting on the bench. Maybe feeling a little disgruntled. He's a great guy to have his agreed to have in your doug or that's that's really true and this does go go beyond the stats in a Lotta cases. The guys who are just their dismay states for years and years and years and it got to be involved. Somehow we'll how his clubhouse chemistry valued in apple not in the slightest but I mean that's where your imagination works in a big way when you're managing these teams you can. You don't WanNa do anything to outside but you can. You can just say you know what I think I've never seen Tom seaver flustered but he looks a little rattled out there. I think I might bring in. You Know Reagan Mike Norris writing this stuff like that can have a lot of fun with it. I don't take any fights are gonNA break out but there is a thing with runners on first and third. Twenty-three number comes out. You Got Rain. Out Games over. What about injuries yeah? Injuries happened Guys are out for four five six seven games. What's the longest you've seen? The guy can be out Houston I can't recall the longest can be out although it very rarely happens is sixty games. Yeah I mean good Lord. Yeah we're talking to. Tommy Davis lead into the second here and the the cool thing by Abbas they rate each player individually so if were example we had CAL Ripken Lou. Gehrig ON ONE OF OUR TEAMS. They would never get injured. Was injury prone would be more much more likely to get injured in this game at an the great thing about any. Pba taking this over with computerized versions as it's much more sophisticated than the way John you and I and everybody been rolling the dice for all these years and unfortunately we won't be rolling the dice which is a little bit of a loss because know rolling the dice. It's kind of like an art in itself. You know if you've been vegas and blade that kind of game you know what that's like but but Instead of that you just push a button and here comes the pitch. And here's what happens at the trade off with a PBA taking this thing over. Its way more sophisticated and A lot more details of the players come into play like the way I played the game. Cal ripken could get hurt. It went and now you've got all these other factors that are just fantastic. Louis great one thing. We need to mention his John. Miller will present some of the highlights of this with which is pretty cool. So there's no baseball but everybody at the highest level is weighing in. And that's pretty anything else. You just leave. How how into this John Miller? He's like hey what where's that game. I'm ready to go. We're going to have a podcast. After the thing is over wrapping up how it went and and we'll we'll run down the highlights in every so often Donald Bargin with his call up that particular play. I'm sure there'd be like twenty twenty five of them so that'll be fantastic. The all southern California highlights though. We're GONNA win pretty easily. Well I'm in rough Thomas Top five hitters again. Ricky Morgan go to now. It's GONNA be Great. This is a this. I had this dream of this Starting back way back in the nineteen seventies when I work in the chronicle desk and had a lot of time in the hands it started coming up this and and here we are with a truly great thing at the whole World Roy. We'll beautiful stuff so we we had Northern California Votes Forty Five Thousand Nine hundred twenty five southern California sixty one thousand seven hundred and two. That's one hundred seven thousand twenty seven days. He could make my God. It's not what you envisioned in the sixties Bruce. No and we talked about this you know. Should we have veto power? We went over right. I no I say let but the fans have have spoken. And then that's what it'll be all good with that. We'll I guess we could wrap it up and just say that Good SF CHRONICLE DOT COM SLASH SPORTS LA TIMES DOT com slash sports and Tuesday may nineteenth will be zoom with eight Kappler Dave Roberts a announcing the starting lineups for game one of the best of seven appositely which will all the will be played on. May Twenty Six It's the I five series northern California versus southern California all-time team's GonNa be great stuff. Thanks everyone for boating and stay tuned for the next development of the I five series. Thanks for joining us on the PODCAST. And thank you all. 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These baseball tonight the podcast. This is the baseball tonight podcast for Wednesday February twentieth. Two thousand nineteen on BUSTER only, our producer everyday is Josh macrey and Joshu every morning. You sent out a tease for the show and today, I bet you wearing gear you would never worn before in your life. That's accurate BUSTER and people are actually giving me a hard time for still having the sticker on that Padres hat. I was wearing in my video teaser this morning. Little look behind the curtain like we like to give you. So we had our major league baseball seminar here in Bristol a couple of weeks ago, and they had like a table full of hats, and I have some family that lives in the southern California area who are Padres fans. And so I got that hoping to give it to them in the in the coming months, but it was still sitting in my closet, and I thought, hey, what better time to break out that hat, then this morning it all worked out. Yeah. I'm sure that when you grab that hat that that part of the in the back of your mind, you think, and you know, what they're gonna wind up spending. Maybe. The second most amount of money in a history of baseball on any player. What do you think? That's exactly what I was thinking. It was great foresight by me. And and I'm glad I did it once again, boomer used to be the schwalm. But now that he's taking a little bit more of a backseat role here at ESPN. I'm the new swamp. That's great producing right. Thank you. That is great producing three weeks ahead of time. Anticipating the Manny Machado is gonna wind up with the Padres. Which shocked a lot of people including folks with other teams AJ prelude. The Padres general manager wasn't quite so shocked. You wanna win championships needed to have impact players. And I think we feel like most of those guys are gonna come through our system. But if you get the right opportunity over, you know, whether it's free agent period or whether it's in a trade situation. I think if we have somebody Alonzo we want to do it. Padres having officially announced his deal three hundred million dollars over ten years. Dave Roberts, the dodgers manager who of course, manage Manny Machado at the end of the two thousand eighteen season talked about Machado's decision. Manny wants to play. I think that some things were his doing something for kind of misconstrued. But he he's taken ownership of that. So he's learned from some things as he's continuing to grow as a as a man as a major league player, but it was enjoyable for all of us to get to know him. And he's getting good player on his hands. Kenny Williams White Sox executive vice president he acknowledged he was shocked. Very surprised. Few other words that. You put on that. But still in a little bit of disbelief, I'm wearing my shades. So that you guys don't see the shock in my eyes. Yeah. If you remember the White Sox, I offered Machado was seven years one hundred seventy five million dollars. And by the time the bidding was over including options. There offered a Machado was well over three hundred million dollars. Rick on the White Sox general manager vice president talked about the decision trying and falling short is insufficient. So I'm gonna take the next few hours and to continue to be pretty off about this can certainly look at our offer and say in some elements at superior, so I don't know what the tritter was. I do not want to say this only comes down the money. I know that we were aggressive, and I know our offer was extremely competitive. And I know I'm standing here right now. Disappointed at it. And get it done Phillies general manager Matt Clinton met with reporters, and he acknowledged he was surprised by the final number, and he talked about how the Phillies made it evaluation on the player. And if it doesn't work out, then you just move on. We'll Myers Padres infielder or moving forward talked about what Machado will bring to the Padres. He's really. Good. That's all that needs to be known. This guy's unbelievable player on MVP candidate every year. Guys, hit thirty home runs in the middle of the order who's gonna hit around three hundred. So that's what I know about them. And that's what we want is pretty cool to to see ownership to see the organization really going into direction of win. Eric hosmer know, something about winning from his days with the royals. Anything's the Padres now are in position to contend. I think we're at a point in time. Now, we're you know, everybody knows wanna win. And we're serious about it. It's not just talking. It's not trying to sell you guys on something it's actions, and it's going out and doing something, and it's motivating us players, especially when you see the front office doing stuff to to give you the right pieces that you need to be successful. So the beautiful thing about it. Now is it all is on us to to go out there and perform and do we can do. Eric hosmer is a great teammate known to be a great teammate. And he was asked the question. What does it mean for you to drop from the best compensated player on the team to the second best compensated player on the team? I wouldn't mind dropping a three to we. Go ahead and get some more guys a love, man. I want to win. That's that's that's the most important thing. That's what anybody else wants to do here. That's exactly what we're talked about this morning. That's the goal for this year. We wanna win no matter what it takes. And we're gonna do whatever we can max Scherzer nationals pitcher talked about Machado's contract for the game. Good for the stars in the game to get signed. Facing the game to get signed for a ten year contract. You see players this yon reach free agency. I know we have aging Kerr's. But when even when I've seen these eight incurs employers are still productive outs age thirty six so from a free agent standpoint to see a player get his prime covered. All the way out the h thirty six that's good for him. Here's Clayton Kershaw. The dodgers. Honestly, that's that's great. You know? I I don't know. Anytime you're in that echelon the player with being young. I don't know if it necessarily right number, you know, because you're obviously trying to set the path for future guys get to that point. But not the many guys get the free agency. If that's our level that a twenty six years old. So ten years seems fair for sure, and you know, getting that thirty years grade. So can't say I'm happy for forms. I guess Padres now. But you know, it's it's good to maybe get the market gone a little bit. Yeah. I know Clayton Kershaw. It says something, but it was completely distracted. Josh by the ping pong in the background Forrest Gump sign with the dodgers BUSTER. Sure sign of that one. It water para has on sportscenter with John Bucci buccigross. And he was asked the question are the Padres contenders. There will be yeah. Absolutely. In twenty twenty one. I just don't see it this year or next year. And I think this is where Manny Machado is going to have to be patient. He's already gone through some growing pains in Baltimore. He's seen what a winner looks like in Baltimore. He's seen it also last year in LA. So now, you have a winner first base and Eric hosmer and a winner at third base. Amanda machado. Let's see if the Padres. Now can get some pitching and get that young crew of guys up to the big leagues to see if they can come through our old friend. Bob Nightingale of USA today was on with Freddie and Fitz Simons, and he was asked as we move forward. What about if the Phillies don't get Bryce Harper records had a good winter? But I think it'd be perceived as a bust if they'll get a Harper, particularly since we're not getting Machado. So I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up there it we'll see we'll see guest over three hundred million or not. What Jared Weaver the former teammate of might try out a funny tweet overnight. He said, look if Manny Machado is going to get three hundred million dollars, Mike trout, it's gonna get a billion. Here's what Bob Nightingale said about what Machado's deal means for Mike trout. Interesting. He's what you know, your you're and a half older than Machado, you wait two more years while you're talking thirty years old or twenty nine so we'll see, but I think certainly the sweetener million dollar, Mark. It's like, okay. If you're giving this guy that kind of money when I'm gonna get it operated all the stuff for you regarding the angels. So I think now you say you could send extension or something, you know, like a tenure four hundred or or eight year, you know, well over three fifty that sort of thing. So at least now the angels know where they stand as far as what they have to give to have a chance to keep them. We talked a lot during the last postseason about signed stealing about how new rules needed to be put in place. We'll according to dot com. Major league baseball will put new rules in place to try to prohibit electron excite stealing in dodgers pitching. Great. Don Newcombe has passed away at age ninety two. We'll hear a lot about him on today's show. Let's get to it. Scott Miller is the national major league baseball columnist for Bleacher report Turner sports. Full disclosure, Scott ni- used to cover high schools at the same time in San Diego County. He was at the LA times. I was at the San Diego union Tribune he walked sidelines together. So he knows all about the glamour this job, and it at the moment Scott of sitting in my car in a parking lot in Bradenton trying to run the fan a little bit because it's getting a little bit hot in the car. I'm sure you're in some really glamorous places. Well. You know BUSTER I just walked out of the Saint Louis cardinals clubhouse in Jupiter, Florida. And I'm sitting at a little picnic table right outside the building here. So. Yeah. Serve drinks, you know, breakfast in bed or anything like that today. So when the news came down yesterday about Machado signing nationals camp and just at that moment. Sean Doolittle their reliever walked by. And I said, hey Machado signed. And you could just see his face light up with interest. And that's the way it's been around the sport, you know, the rest of the rest of the day on on Tuesday. And then today that's all anybody wants to talk about they want to discuss what it means what it means for Bryce Harper will start with this. What do you think of the Padres a team, you know, well, signing maybe Machado? Yeah. You know for years, if you would've said, oh, you know, what the Padres are one day going to Cy Ord somebody the richest free agent contract in modern American in American sports history. I would've said, hey, you know, what let me drive your whole pets in Washington drink. I it's just the the concept of the Padres. And this kind of money just is staggering. And you don't on one hand. I kinda like that. It's always refreshing to me BUSTER when a team outside of the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Los Angeles Dodgers realm steps up. I like to see teams try to win. But you know, with the small market teams, you will you always worry on a deal like this that it'll come back to bite him one day. I mean, look at you know, there was a time with down in Miami. The the Marlins were were absolutely thrilled to get Giancarlo Stanton to sign that three hundred twenty five million dollar deal. And it wasn't too long before. Or they couldn't wait to trading. Yeah. You're exactly right. And that's what I was thinking about today. I wrote a column batter today. That's on ESPN dot com about that dynamic. I mean, you mentioned John Carlos Stanton. I talked to people around baseball yesterday were saying boy, this could be exactly like Alex Rodriguez signing with the Texas Rangers that within a few years if he doesn't go well immediately. They wonder if it's going to work out, you know, you and I both remember when the Colorado Rockies signed Mike Hampton, and they gave Todd Helton the big deal. And because they didn't have a big payroll historically that wound up strangling the team in what they were trying to do. Greg Vaughn being signed by the Tampa Bay rays at the time he signed his ill was the biggest free agent deal of that off season time and time and time again, we've seen small market mid mortgage teams make deals like this. And they have difficulty sustaining them. Which is why I feel like as we move forward that the pressure isn't so much on Manny, I feel like an someone who cover the Padres. And you know, the Padres. Well, I think the pressure now goes on owner. Ship because the Padres long history is full of situations in which the owner got excited from Ray Kroc to Tom Warner John Moores, and they would sign players. They would get a team together that was really good but really expensive, and then they would break it down. And so I think moving forward. My question is in a will the Padres ownership. Now, go out and get some of the veteran pitching they need or even if they don't do that. You know, how do they sustain this the payroll around Manny Machado around? Eric hosmer. What do you think? Yeah. That's the thing. They that. All exactly right where they're concerned right now. We've seen it. First of all this ownership group, which I think it's heart is in the right place in it since taking over a horrible situation for Jeff more add this ownership group. I think is tried to do the right thing they've tried to win. But you know that that first year. Remember, it wasn't that long ago is back in, you know, twenty fourteen or so when you know, they traded for Matt Kemp they signed James shields. And it it they brought Derek Norris in. And then even after all that that was the winter of the rack star general manager AJ prowler and then on the eve of opening day is when they traded for Craig kimbrel. They, you know, talk about, you know, rolling the dice big. And then of course, they didn't win. And then they unloaded everybody it stripped down. And and then they spent big money at the international free agent market. And that's where we are today with baseball Merican some publications like that ranking the Padres farm system is the number one in the game. Some of that comes from from trading some of that debt, wait Fernando tetechies junior arrived in the James shields trade when they were decided, you know, hey, we're this isn't working trae James shields to the White Sox. Tat tease junior shows up other guys that got you know, during that big spend and the international free agent market. So they've got everybody agrees in the game. A lot of really good young talent. You know, the question is, you know, it it looks like it's still going to be two or three more years before some of these really young guys like like the pitchers like Adrian or Corey hone and MacKenzie gore. And and even he's junior who's only nineteen or twenty maybe a little while before they are ready to win. So the trick is a is Machado still on his game. When that happens and and be can Machado and highs Mer their presence help expedite. The winning process. And then lastly, you know, wouldn't it be ironic if say Fernando tat teach junior debut sometime this year turns out to be everything everybody expects him. And then they end up not being able to keep him as a free agent six years or seven years from now because they're still hamstrung by the Machado do. So you just don't know. It's a big big gamble. Do you think that right now is there currently constituted that the Padres can contend with the dodgers who they finished behind in the National League, West less? You're twenty five and a half games. That's a big big gap. It you hardly. You don't see that kind of gap overcome in one year that the thing with the Padres to me in. It's no secret the pitching I mean their offense. Now, you look if if if with a child and Haase her if wil Myers, he's he's always a question Mark because he he's never proven. He can stay healthy, you know, over one hundred fifty games. But if he can do something in produce you could see where their lineup could score some runs. I think they're lineup is is the best. It's been in a while. But you flip that rotation. I mean, it is raw Joey Lucchessi Eric lower Ryan Mitchell, who you know, they traded they choir from the Yankees last year. And he was a disaster the rotation. So the trick now for aging prelude. And Cubbies going to be to try to figure out, you know, who who's gonna pitch, and I know Andy green talked earlier about you know, mixing and matching, and they may have some of those games where one guy pitches three innings and other guy pitchers three innings, and you know, I don't know that you can win. I I don't think you can make a point five games on the dodgers by mixing and matching the pitching. So whether they make another move this this spring, whether they have any money left, it even sign one of these pictures that are still out on the market. I know Dallas Tyco's names been bandied about. But you know, I'll tell you Manny Machado one of his really close Miami. France is GIO Gonzalez who should be all that expensive. You know, you wonder if they can sign somebody like that or with Machado ill baby from all this inventory of good young talent. Now is the time. Also, when maybe you begin to see AJ prowler and company begin to consider making a strategic trade or two. And and using some of the talent they have. And is chips to trade to again help expedite things. Now, the Manny Machado is on board. And maybe that's for some like, Marcus Stroman or an errand Sanchez last year. The Padres had a rotation era of five point oh nine it was the worst National League. And Josh, you're you're hearing Scott ni-. We have learned cynicism. Skepticism about the Padres and these buildups because we were around it. I want you to give your very fresh. I'd look at it. The idea of the Padres getting Machado, you agree with us. One hundred percent. Yeah. No. I you guys have developed cynicism and skepticism. I was born that way. Yeah. No. I agree. I is he gonna help. Sure. But are the Padres going to be contenders with this alone? No way. Yeah. And I'm going to be really curious to see where the Padres ownership is willing to take their payroll. They've only had three seasons when they've been over one hundred million dollars. They're now going to be on a trajectory within two or three years maybe being over two hundred million. And that's as I say, I think the question now is where does ownership take this. Of course, we're also asking the question now that Manny Machado was land with the Padres. What happens with Bryce Harper? Jeff passan who broke the news of the Padres agreement with Manny Machado was on the Wilkin show, and he was asked about Machado, and whether or not his signing will influence what Harper gets I don't know that the two are as tied together as as we in the media have made in this off season. And I say that more in terms of how much they're going to get paid then hitting I think Bryce Harper will will make more, and I don't know if it's significantly more. But I think. Make decent chunk more than Manny Machado. I would disagree with Jeff on this point. Because I'll tell you what if you saw the face of Kenny Williams, or you heard the voice of Rick Hawn. And you know, how much pressure is on the Phillies ownership Scott after John Middleton in a made that comment about spending stupid money in the expectation of their fan base. The question is we move forward for me is okay. Which of these teams? Now, the Phillies are the White Sox gets emotional about pursuing Bryce Harper. Because of the disappointment about Manny Machado, which of these two teams stepped forward and said, you know, what if this point we're not gonna worry about the cost so much? We just wanna make sure where we get the player. And that's how I do think. They're related. What do you think? Yeah. I disagree with Jeff. I think they've always been related because of the competition between Machado and Bryce, but also their agent, Scott. Moore's Dan Lozano. I mean, Scott bores don't tell me that there's they're not related. At all to this Manny Machado, citing because I guarantee you Scott Boras sets the the precedence where contracts are concerned he did it with Alex Rodriguez with at two hundred fifty two billion dollar deal. I mean, there's Scott has always wanted to set the market with Bryce Harper. And this days been coming forever. So you bet he's gonna look at the Machado contract. And and there's no way he's going to allow Bryce to sign for less than that. And the interesting thing like you said to BUSTER about about the the the emotions. That's the way the game. The the winter the hot stove league game Houston be played when we had guide sling or general managers, you know, now part of the reason the last couple of years this is slowed down so much is because the analytic minded front office is taken the emotion out of it. And they look at numbers they make rational numbers related decisions. Now, you're right. This late in the winter. And I that's why Scott Boras held onto Bryce this long. And it held him out. The closer you get to opening day and spring training where he started at the higher. I think the chance that you could get an emotional decision out of a team. And that's why you know, I've had a couple of people ask me I in Cincinnati agreed to terms yesterday. Well, okay, now, you think Brice will sign and the next day or two. No, I think he'll sign soon. But Scott Moore's is gonna take I believe several days here. He's gonna go back to the White Sox. I mean, it'd be you would be doing his job. If he didn't go to White Sox and say, look, you know, what you guys you probably caught a break by not signing. Manny because Bryce is going to sell more tickets. My guys going to do this. He's going to do that. He's gonna you know, he's going to reengage the Phillies the White Sox. And I I think, you know, Bryson I think he'll sign soon, but you know, not like the day after manning. I think it'd be you know, I think the Boers corporation as they should is gonna spend most of this week reengaging. Teams and at at trying to find that abo- tional owner who says, yes, we've gotta get Bryce, and I don't care what the cost is. And because of that emotion now involved in it, knowing, you know, Scott Wilson times through the smoke and mirrors in the options deferred money. Whatever it is. It would not shock me because the Machado contract definitely is higher than what most people in the game expected. You know, not shocked me of braces deal when its first leaked out through one of Scott's guys in the media. It's going to have the number four in it. And it'll be very interesting to see sort of how it's structured and what the actual present value. But don't be surprised with that. I still think the Phillies game who do you think? Yeah. I think the Phillies to and and also it'll be interesting to me BUSTER. 'cause I agree with you. I think he's he'll get I think you'll get more than Manny. And in the the interesting thing to me is I had a really high ranking executive with one of the teams involved tell me recently, he just kind of as an aside he shook. And so he said, well, one guy can go over four and help you win still the other guy can go for four. And and and in that help you win, and he didn't mention names. But it was clear he was referring to Manny Machado plays. Great defense. He plays in the infield shortstop or third base. It'll be third base in San Diego. He's the guy that he goes over four with that that glove and what he can do defensively kids still help you win. Whereas Bryce if he goes over forty playing right field. You know, he might not get any balls to embed night. So that point I found very interesting. But even given that point that's why I'm fascinated to see what Bryce is going to get. And I think even given that point he's gonna. Get more. Yeah. And I do think if he's going to go to the Phillies it's going to be because John Middleton, basically grabs steering wheel away from the analytics people in his front office and said, I don't care about value. I know what the reaction the fan base is going to be if we don't sign this guy. Scott, thanks for doing this. Enjoy your day with the cardinals will do you as well. Maybe see you somewhere. We both drive around the state of Florida. Let's consider the secret life of the INA. Most nesting doll living. Most of her life in the duck inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in a most nesting dole, his the geiko not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer in a most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Jumping into the numbers. Matthew evaluated? Millions of leases of data. Tonight. Cincinnati by two hundred five. This is hembo knows. And hembo is Paul indicates. A researcher ESPN is the backbone of the show get up and hembo this morning in the aftermath of Machado picking this. India Padres over the Philadelphia Phillies and Chicago White Sox. I sent a tweet out asking this question. Among the the two teams that we know of who were pursuing both players, which of those teams the Phillies are the White Sox is more likely to now get emotional about the pursuit of Bryce Harper with may turn out to be the advantage. What do you think both the revoted on your pool, and I'm from Philadelphia? So yes, that would tell you all that you need to know, I've listened to sports talk radio there at nauseam over the last few weeks and to be feeding clear Phillies fans display all they've done. What they've done has been extraordinary despite all they've done. This off season would be considered an utter failure as affiliates. Don't walk away with Manny Machado. I can I can guarantee you for certain the front office is here. That. And I think no matter what it takes whether it's three thirty or three fifty or even north of that. I didn't the Phillies will do whatever is required to get done. Yeah. I said to Scott Miller, my sense was that John Middleton who made the comment about the Phillies, you know, perhaps spending stupid money. He would basically have to grab the steering wheel away from the front office analysts. What do you think? I I agree. I mean, those if they find a way not to to pull in Harper tho those are going to be word that he eats for very long time. I can assure you of that. All right. Let's talk about Manny Machado earlier in the week. I wrote a column in which I suggested that. I mean, I flat out don't think that the timing of the Machado signing is right because I don't think they're pitching develop enough. We we know that they have is tremendous wave of prospects coming you, send me a note after that though that maybe disagree a little bit both to an extent, I agree into an extent. I don't offer you both sides of the aisle. Here's the Padres. Lost ninety six games last season. And now have agreed to three hundred million dollar deal with Machado in that dynamic is practically without precedent. Before yesterday. There had been thirty nine nine figure contracts handed out to free agents in major league history. But only two of them were signed by team that won fewer than seventy games the previous season the oath. Dick's cubs. Went sixty six ninety six signed Alfonso Soriano to one hundred and thirty six million dollar deal. The twenty ten nationals went sixty nine ninety three. They signed Jason worth to a one hundred and twenty six million dollar deal. But the Padres of the top ranked form system, according to baseball America among other outlets, including our own law since two thousand five thirteen of the fourteen teams with that number one distinction made the playoffs BUSTER within two years. And the only exception was the twenty eleven royals and they wound up making it to back to back World Series in two thousand fourteen and twenty fifty. So let me ask you if you were Peter Seidler who is the owner of the Padres. And he's the one who's making like that not a general manager like AJ prowler. Would you have made the same decision that would have made the exact same decision? This is this is a city. In a franchise now that has the opportunity to explode because of the because the chargers have left they play in as we all know the best climate in America. Now have the opportunity to be the biggest show in town. I think Manny Machado though, he isn't Bryce Harper. In terms of celebrity is probably that present a better baseball player. Just in terms of his tools, Dan, Bryce Harper is I will go on record as saying that he will be well worth three hundred million dollars over the next ten years. And I will also point out that the five year player option is not something that shouldn't should should go without being mentioned because as you know, the collective bargaining agreement expires after three years, you never know what the market might look like in five a really shrewd move by Manny Machado when his representation to give them that player option after five years. Yeah. Dan, Lozano the agent for Manny Machado has gotten a lot of compliments from other agents that I've heard and executives for getting this deal done. I wrote a piece the other day about Bryce Harper. Manny Machado, essentially that whichever guide takes the Phillies money. If in fact, they take the Phillies money, they'd better be ready to get dirty to go there and play really. Hard you as a Philly guy. What do you think it is very hard to disagree with that notion for for one? I think the best example I can provide actually as the chase utley Jimmy Rollins dynamic so with with essentially concurrent careers of extraordinary production and frankly, close to hall of fame production on both sides. I can say definitively that chase utley is a doored in Philadelphia. Jimmy Rollins, frankly is tolerated and the reason for it is because of not even just effort, but most are perceived effort Allen Iverson, and Brian Dawkins and players like that are among Philadelphia's favorite athletes, and it's largely because of the way they play not how effectively they play. So I know I can I can tell you with certainty from hearing it from members of the current Phillies that they weren't sold on Manny Machado being someone that could play in a market their size. So I'm not surprised for him to end up in a place like San Diego where some of his antics might go notice in the national media. Yeah. I mean, this is a city where you have a revered hockey team the broad street bullies of the flyers. In the mid seventies. I think they're more famous because they got in fights. And the fact that they won the Stanley Cup 'back-to-back tide. Here's brotherly love. It's brotherly shove. All right. And I know you also had some thoughts on the great Don Newcombe who passed away on Tuesday at the age of ninety two. Yeah. I like to whip out my inner Tim Kirch in just a few of my favorite anecdotes on on Don nukem. So he's the answer to one of my favorite trivia questions. He was the first pitcher to win the Cy Young award. He did. So in nineteen fifty-six before it was separated by league. And as you know was also named the VP that season BUSTER he started opening day on April eighteenth of nineteen fifty at shy park in Philadelphia. It was his first of three opening day starts for the dodgers. But that was significant for a different reason. It was the first dodger game that VIN Scully ever called red Barbara assigned Scully the fourth inning in that game. But nuke was chased. After retiring only three batters and Scully said nukem never made it to the fourth inning. That's the big joke. We have between us he was knocked out of the box. And BUSTER lastly done new was a horse is a horse and absolute horse in nineteen fifty one. He threw two hundred and seventy two innings including thirty two in eight days. Span to end the season as the dodgers tried to hold off the giants for the National League pennant. But the dodgers are best remembered for the inning. He didn't finish that season on October third of that year the teams played a winner take all game at the polo grounds. And it was famously the first game ever hell of is nationally nukem started for the dodgers and walked off the mound with one out and a two run lead in the ninth inning. But to pitches later, as we all know as history remembers, Bobby Thomson hit the shot heard round the world off Ralph Branka and after Thompson's death in two thousand ten nukem said Bobby was a great ball player. And I think if anybody had a chance to enjoy the fame he enjoyed I'm glad it was Bobby Thompson. And that's Don Newcombe. No question about raciest human being, hembo. Thanks for doing this. Great to talk with you later, boys. Each time for some inside heat on baseball tonight. Laura Armstrong covers the Toronto Blue Jays for the Toronto Star and Laura up in Dunedin now and Bluejays campaign and preparing for this today one on your Twitter feed, and you had a really funny blooper reel that you taped during the wintertime and getting ready for spring. That look like add a lot of fun doing that. Oh, yeah. I I'm I'm a newspaper writer for he's in. So every once in a while they tried to put me on camera. And I think that they've got to make some real be honest. There are that many mistakes. Right. Let's get to what's going on and Blue Jays camp. It feels like it's been destined since early last year that all the talk and spring training. This year is going to be bad Vladimir Guerrero junior. And that certainly seems to be the case, and it probably will be into the moment. He gets called up to the big leagues. Oh, yeah. Definitely. I mean, he Rives here on Saturday he reported and before he even said a word was one drying all of the attention that kinda felt like bring raining like didn't really start until flag. God here. There are a lot of guys who are here added Wednesday. But it wasn't really until Saturday. When black got that you kind of stuff like really? And then he spoke on Monday, you know, obviously talk is all about his service time, and when gonna be promoted and the Jays having gone so far as to implement time line at least publicly, but he's expected to come up in mid to late April. So they get that extra Europe control and eating sort of toeing the party line on on that front. He seems to be, you know, saying he's gonna work hard and instead of control. And so we'll see what happens, but definitely the expectation is mid April. And I think that it's only gonna get crazier from here. What are the Blue Jays gentleman Jerusalem Atkins actually sang about that development line at this point? Even if we don't even we don't believe in laurel, what are they saying? They're being pretty big at this point. You know, that they at the end of last year have said last year when he was promoted to triple as I said, you know, they wanted to make sure that he was still working on his defense. And and they said you're that he didn't fence has improve improve. When he was at Arizona Fawley, which is a good thing for the Blue Jays. I think that they did want him to seize every level of development. Holidays been able to sort of lengthen this pool process. They weren't sure that he got time and AAA phasing sort of teachers that have been in the big big some of them. So now, it's it's sort of like a wait and see game. They're being pretty big and playing a little bit coy about one. This is going to happen. And I think that sort of the the strongest fans can take that maybe some work in the field. That's why they need them to go to stay down a little bit because watch him hit here. And like you stand by the the batting cages, and you listen to them and just the way that he has all its sounds different. It's almost like a fuller sound. It's like he's got such good contact with the bat that a change is the noise that he makes. And I think you know, I've never heard at a hitter sound like that. So I think that it's hard to say that he's not ready for the big thing that lease if the place. What have you heard about his potential as an offensive player? I mean, the bluejean seem to think that, you know, Burma's in this clubhouse visas team, as you know, some of the people who who coaches who work with him that he's going to be able to sort of take the promotion and stride. I think that a lot of the reasons that they feel comfortable saying that and they feel comfortable saying that he's going to be able to be the player that he was in the mind. In the big leagues pretty quickly because he's just a guy able to navigate all attention off feels really well. So they don't seem to think that any of the viewer. The media friendly is going to get to him. Like, he does, you know, some of the younger players coming up with maturity and something that a lot of people talk to point to when they talk about what makes him star. And I think it's that maturity that allows him to be who he is on the field. And when he's on. But every minor league level hit. So they just don't seem to think that there's any indication that you know, he's not gonna be able to that when he gets run into mater late. I don't know that your point us hitting over four hundred. I don't think you're gonna see that definitely. But I think he's definitely going to be able to shit and wants me sort of settles in just a little bit. I think he's going to be the player that he probably was in the minor leagues. Last one for. You is surprising story came out of your Kampe last weekend to read Marcus Stroman with the first time he spoke with reporters talked about he clearly was not happy that the Blue Jays have not talked in his words about an extension contract extension for him. I saw you know, various reports that in fact, there has been at least some conversation between the two sides. But what surprised me about that was Marcus is coming off a year that was down. I thought that this year would be all about for Marcus just pitching great sort of reestablishing himself as a frontline starting pitcher. What was your takeaway from that situation? Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a question to be asked. Like, if you're if you're wanting a long-term deal now, you're probably not going to get the long-term deal that you want because you did have a down year over the course of last year. And so in that way, the timing was kind of peculiar almost I think that he's just sort of trying to that set out, you know, for the fans at least he he he certainly says that feels like he has very strong connection to the city. And I think he wants to make it clear to them. At least that you know, it's not his in that hasn't been signed and trying to obviously play CT by there. He was played by trade rumors over the offseason. And I think that those are going to continue over the course of this news. And I think that it becomes out anyhow the heart caught started. I'd be surprised if he was still still here in September. Sources have told me that. This is something that Bush's have at least disgust toward or try to discuss with Stroman. But you're right. It's coming off with young air. And he seems to think that hey, you know, has turned it around, and you've talked catchers, I think growing bullpens to at this point Nathan to that picture around as well, then he looks very different. So maybe this plea would be better off at the beginning of spring training next year. But I think the thing is that I don't necessarily know that he's going to be here for spring training next year. So maybe it's just a a boy, I guess to, you know, make sure the fan so that he still wants to be here because he certainly seems to have connections to the city, but it was definitely a real. It was a restless rant. He he sort of hardly took. It was definitely had had things on his mind and things that he wanted to say and took that opportunity to do. So. Yeah. I bet the family formed back in Vermont. He will not be on the team at spring training two thousand twenty. But we'll we'll we'll see how that goes Laura. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me. Bleacher tweets lot of Bleacher tweets today BUSTER, most of which had to do with Manny Machado. But I just pick the best one. It comes to us from arena at Rena Medina. She says men that was a tongue twister. I I've said her name so many times you'd think I'd be able to pull it out. Come on. Let's go Rena Benin ah the dodgers and Rockies are projected to win ninety three eighty one wins respectively Ducey, either of these numbers changing because of the Machado signing. No as I say, Scott Neier still look Machado makes the Padres someone better. But I'm still curious to see if they add pitching. And I agree with Scott at the very least GIO Gonzalez. See it would seem to be a natural fit for them to follow up with. And if they don't approve their pitching on. I'm just looking at that rotation. I I don't see it where they would have a big dent in the National League West until they advance those prospects agreed. Let's get away from Chato your local blockbuster at diet cigs. Is there any chance the Rangers sign Marlin Gonzales after trading pro far, they could use another utility guy Daniels in the Rangers could always flip him and or as ruble Cabrera in July as well. Marlin Gonzalez is represented by Scott Boris, Scott Boris has been indicating teams he wants north of what men's over Scott, which is four years and fifty six million dollars from the cubs. I don't think there's any chance he signs a one year deal where he could be flipped in midseason and on top of that again at that potentially could fit the Rangers. But the Rangers, you know, this is a rebuilding tanking, your whatever you wanna call it where they're laying back. I don't see Marlene Gonzales being fit Donner vine is at done Irvine. We all know BUSTER that your pick to represent the National League in the World Series. This year is the Atlanta Braves com says how many games will it take to win the NFL east this season? What are the odds of the division will also produce a wow? Wildcard team. Yeah. Ninety three. I think will win the division. This division is going to be a bear hit with the Mets being better. With the Braves, you know, defending division. Champions, the Phillies are loading up this winter, I I've just been around the nationals yesterday while like that team is flying under the radar and there's some real confidence there. We'll talk more about them. I think later in the week, but that's a great division. Also just being pirates camp today. I was talking with some of their players Trevor Williams, Adam Frazier. Josh bell about their division. You talk about stacked like that. That is the one division with Ahah five teams that could wind up winning the division in my opinion. Interesting couple more here, we got this one from Eric Detweiler at Eric Detweiler. A very simple question. Especially in light of what you said on Tuesdays podcast BUSTER that you don't expect Mike trout to re sign with the angels in a couple of years. Eric wants to know, what would it cost to trade for Mike trout? Basically back up the truck of your form system and load them all up and hold them off until the other team. Look you get to pick the best six guys. Like, I think now, and I yeah, exactly. Don't you agree? Yeah. You know, see that's part of the whole thing. And I don't think the angels will trade him before he has to make a decision whether to walk as a free agent because I think it's almost impossible to structure a deal that would be palatable for the angels. Right. I mean, you might get one or two prospects. But how do you sell that to your fans if you actually get to that point where you're trading, Mike, trout and say, yeah. Well, we got these two really good prospects. I just don't think the fans would accept it. I agree. Finally. Here's a really interesting one from PK Steinberg. He's at PK Steinberg. He says adjusted for inflation of both money and the market. What do you think guys? Like Jim Palmer, Tom Seaver, George. Brett, Robin yount would make in today's market Palmer and Seaver. I'm thinking that they would be like, the let's say they get deals at age twenty seven they would be two hundred million dollars pitchers. They would be in the max sherzer David price range for sure definitely. Seaver would George Brett if you're talking about vintage George Brett nine thousand nine hundred eighty the guy who had three ninety it was the absolute dominant player. I mean, he would be a four hundred million dollar player because not only, you know, we talked about how ace of trout he checks every box in a way that Manny Machado. We're Bryce Harper doesn't necessarily at that time in one thousand nine hundred George Brett checked every box thing is none of them would sign until about March sixth in today's market, which would be a shame. Keep those Bleacher tweets coming going to take them all season long every single day. Just make sure you use the hashtag Bleacher tweets one less thing. We got sad news on Tuesday about Don Newcombe, the former dodger pitcher who passed away at age ninety two. I gotta know Don in recent years when I was around the ballpark. He and his wife were there. What a what a wonderful man, I saw him at the World Series last year. He meant so many things so many different people the dodgers after news of his passing God out sent this tweet out. And you're going to hear the voice of Don Newcombe. It was added in the nineteen forty five season. Really we played an all-star game. It was a negro leagues against the major league all stars. And on the negro league team with ROY Campanella catching you money urban appears the major teams, and we were going to play a major league white team that had Virgil trucks on it. Rob Branka on it. Frank McCormick from the Cincinnati Reds and players of that sort and the manager of the team who biz Mackey another famous negro league baseball player. He told me the sun. I want you to pitch on Sunday. You start the game Sunday Ebbets field. So I started that game. And I pitched three show out in against this all star team when the three innings over. I would win in the clubhouse to take a shower when somebody else came into the game in walk this man with this great big head on them. Forget him a white, man. He said my name is tied SuperBowl. I'd like to talk to you about maybe you coming over tomorrow morning to Brooklyn to talk to a man who would like to talk to you named branch Rickey? It. What was very tricky. Over tricky owns Brooklyn Dodgers. As I went over the Brooklyn that Monday morning and brain Turkey. I sat down and the rookie said you read about Jackie now down I want you to know what we do about you. I want to sign noon to a contract play eighteen in our organization the danville. Dodgers in danville. Illinois. Was he the baby? Mm-hmm. When they Montreal buzzy says. His uneasy to do. I need to go back to you. Parliament, get your wife. And car I want you to go to Roseville field and Long Island and hit on the plane with branch, Rickey and reply to Chicago to join the. That I was floor. I said was you couldn't ask that lie? No, I'm serious time. And they seventeen. I joined the Brooklyn Dodgers. Kinda Hilton hotel in Chicago. And that's the I shall never forget. We became the pioneers. One thousand nine hundred forty or the end the forty five and the other forty six when we signed contracts. Become the first black men in organized baseball. We became really the beginning of the civil rights movement in our country. Very tricky made. Sure that we will do what we need to do for the civil rights movement. Who what we do on a baseball field? He said that is why I'm depending on you men. That's why you three men have to realize how important is what you do on an off the field and on depending on new to do this. One of the king is greatest he was an ice on forget him as a friend person. What he did to change his great country, and they are continuing very country. It is. But but the fact is Martin was still in school. When reseller thought we've have run they thought we will cowards, and though we will. But we by God would not afraid no human being gonna scare especially that, man. Jackie robinson. We went out there to do a job. And we did a job not going to be for the dodgers. And now for. Country. We did it for granted the man who made it possible. I'll never forget. On PTI. Tony Kornheiser Michael wilpon weighed in on their memories of gun nukem dodger right hander died today at the age of ninety two before the era of Colfax and Drysdale in Los Angeles nukem was the greatest Dodger's starter in Brooklyn. He won twenty games three different times and his sei-yung MVP. You're nineteen fifty-six nukem was twenty seven and seven three. Oh, sixty RAM eighteen complete games. The battery of nukem to Campanella was fearsome and those two as well as Duke Snider Jackie Robinson, Gil Hodges called for real and peewee Reese were stars of Brooklyn's only World Series winner in nineteen fifty five. Those were as Roger Kahn, anointed them, the boys of summer, Tony in the end of that run was the start of my life, and my father in my house, you paid attention to the dodgers and historically culturally what they meant the only person alive is you could find is Carl Erskine from that boys of summer group still alive living in Indiana and ninety two years old. And I. Really feel like Josh that the greatest impact that Don Newcombe had on the lives of others wasn't necessarily what he did for the Brooklyn Dodgers. But the work he did after his career working with people with players who had alcohol troubles in Don got to a place in his life where he needed help. And then the rest of his life. He helped others in that same situation. What a what a wonderful, man. He is. No question about it BUSTER, and you always love to see that. I mean, there are countless examples of guys who after their playing days are over really help the community, and it's really good and someone like, Don new KOMO absolutely be missed. That's it for today. My thanks to Laura Armstrong, two Scott Miller too, Paul embassies and Josh macrey who produced his podcast every day. Have a great day everybody and thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight podcast if you claim fantasy baseball till forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all podcasts at ESPN dot com slash pod, sicker baseball tonight. The podcast.

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