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Governor Terry McAuliffe on the Lessons of Charlottesville
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Ping podcast kicked off thursday this day june thirteenth with the legendary ringo starr subscribe now on stitcher spotify or i tunes and add some good vibes to your day and now how on with the show i i'm ben mathis welcome to kick ass news on august twelve two thousand thousand seventeen neo nazis and other white supremacist unleashed violence and mayhem in the streets of charlottesville virginia killing three people injuring many more. You're and giving lie to the myth that americans lived in a post racial society for then governor virginia terry mcauliffe. It was the most difficult test during his time in in office and a day marked by personal tragedy now governor mcauliffe gives a behind the scenes account of this infamous chapter in our history and shows how we can prevent other charlottesville and a new memoir titled beyond charlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism and on today's podcast. He shares his biggest worries in the weeks leading up to the infamous unite the right rally. Why local authorities didn't take those concerns nearly seriously enough and why he believes the a._c._o. Oh you share some of the blame for failing to prevent the violence. He opens up about the tragic loss of his own family suffered on that fateful day and voices his anger that the public image of virginia was tarnished by racist agitators from out of state then he discusses his phone call with president trump the day of the rally and the offensive zip public statements that the president made about what happened terry mcauliffe also talks about his decision to run for governor of virginia when pundits predicted that he'd run in just about any any other state except the one he called home and he recalls his efforts to bring virginia into the twenty first century and expand voting rights finally this former chairman of the the d._n._c. weighs in on the democratic debates and what he thinks democrats are looking for in twenty twenty coming up with terry mcauliffe in just a moment <music> parry mcauliffe served as chairman of the democratic national committee from two thousand one to two thousand five co chair of president bill clinton's reelection campaign in two thousand six and chair of hillary clinton's presidential campaign in two thousand eight from two thousand fourteen to two thousand eighteen he was governor virginia and served as chair of the national governors association from two thousand sixteen to two thousand seventeen the violence in hate that erupted during the infamous two thousand seventeen unite the right rally in charlottesville. Let's fill became the most challenging crisis during his time as governor and now he writes about it in a new book titled beyond charlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism mm-hmm terry mcauliffe welcome to the show ben. Thanks for having me well before. We get into charlottesville. I wanna give folks a little bit of a background on you. You've had this long on career in democratic politics long relationship with the clintons but when you started thinking of running for office yourself apparently you say that everyone speculated you'd run for governor of new york or florida just about anywhere but the state where you'd spent much your life virginia <hes>. Why do you think that was well. It was interesting dorothy had moved there twenty years before wonder raise our five children <hes> but i had been on television allowed and people knew of us from new york owned bunch of businesses in florida and and when announced i was running for governor they sort of said well <hes> this is surprise to us. We thought you were gonna be running different state but he wants to say this. I oh i didn't determine where i was going to live. Where i was born. My mother determined that for me but what i had to make a decision i chose gene. It's a great state and i just thought we needed to move within in a new direction and old southern state when i became governor inherited a record deficit turned it into a record surplus record jobs but i became a bulwark to protect protect individual rights. I was the first governor perform gay marriage <hes> after the supreme court ruled. I restored more felon rights than any governor in american history. I did more parnes earns in any governor. Virginia kept my women's health clinics open. He you know i was a very progressive governor but also very pro jobs governor and at the end of the term the state was in the best shape it ever forbidden and i think you say that your stated goal. When you took office was to drag virginia the twenty first century when you look at how companies and film productions ends are now threatening to flee states like georgia and missouri over restrictions on women's rights and do you see a greater urgency for states like virginia to get with the times. Does it become come more than just a social issue but a matter of economic survival. Oh no question man so if you go back to two thousand thirteen when i ran for governor <hes> virginia had just passed past the trans vaginal bill which made virginia a laughing stock on national television member rachel maddow on jon stewart every night talked about it they had passed legislation to shut up the twenty-five women's health clinic down in virginia horrible anti-gay legislation. I got elected in twenty thirteen sworn in january fourteen. I'm very proud how we ended all of that. I fired the board of health. All the women's clinic state opened action opened a couple more made virginia open and welcoming to everybody had a whole tourism effort for the b._t. Q. community <hes> we became a different state and because of the open welcoming i was able to recruit <music> over eleven hundred do companies to move to virginia the amazon bid which you know i wrote the bid amazon came to virginia facebook microsoft google all aw invested huge amounts of money in the commonwealth of virginia. I was able to recruit nestle corporation to move out of l._a. To move to virginia and you make a valid point right ben because if you're not opening welcoming you are not going to be able to recruit those twenty-first century companies. I'm very proud from when i started in virginia in four years later. When and i laughed it is now one of the most progressive states in the country <hes> a southern state that is leading the nation on cybersecurity data data analytics and unmanned systems but it is an interesting state because i feel like it's purple as it gets i mean socially and politically virginia sorta hard to pin down because yes it's the south but it's not the deep south south and and a lot of ways it is progressive leader intact home to fortune five hundred companies and yet like you mentioned. It's been responsible for some very backwards. Restrictions ends on things like women's rights and voting rights as someone who ran for governor twice. What's the secret to winning in a state like virginia. Maybe there's a teachable moment here for some presidential official candidates well. That's a great question. I always believe that when you run for office or anything do you ought to stick to what you believe in ben. I'm not a guy whoever whoever takes polls. I'm not a guy put my finger up in the air. When i ran for governor in two thousand thirteen is say you know everybody tried to you know get along and nobody wants to ruffle feathers. I'm the first democratic nominee for governor. Get an f. rating from the n._r._a. The n._r._a.'s based in virginia and it's an open carry state right right yeah i said i wish i had a low rating. I ran television commercials. I to a women. I would be a brick wall to protect their rights and stop all the insanity entity that the republicans in the legislature had done. I believe i was the first candidate or statewide official in the entire south to come for marriage equality. My point is these are things i believe in run on what you believe in and if you win you win you lose you lose but she gotta stand for convictions on the things that you actually believe in and that's why when and i ran for governor i broke a forty. Four year trend to get elected. Whatever party wins the presidential election. We have the elections after the governor's race. Whoever wins the presidential party wins the governor's race for forty four straight years. I broke that <hes> statewide controlled all three republicans control all three statewide offices mrs when iran when i got elected we controlled all the state wise and under my four years <hes> we picked up a record amount of hausa delegate seats <hes> we actually picked up seventeen seats in my four years which is the most one hundred and forty four years. We are a democratic state today our problem though ben his we have elections every year this year our entire general assemblies up so people have to keep coming out year in year out but in a presidential year with a high turnout worse blue is bull can be. We're the only state that went for hillary in the south. The governor in your state is limited only one term so how did you keep from being a lame duck. Did you find that you had to try extra hard to work work with the legislature to get things done. My personality was that i was going to do. I think for some they say they got a really leanings only got four years. You know that's it's just my personality. I was going to do that whether i had four years one hundred years. It didn't matter to me <hes> but you know you. I tried to work with a legislature. I got seventy plus percent of my governors legislation passed through a republican legislature outside of the social insanity that they had the anti women anti gay stuff outside of that you know we got along pretty okay well. We had the largest investment in k. twelve and a history of virginia. We did it in a bipartisan way. <hes> by economic development projects i worked with republicans because we were the first state to end veteran homelessness in our state <hes> so i worked the republicans a lot of issues. The problem is they get caught up in these gerrymandered districts uh-huh and they're terrified of the tea party that they'll show up in a small primer in defeat him and we got to get rid of these gerrymander districts. We've got to get people back to the place where we actually actually can work together to get things done for the folks. We actually represent. I know that's a novel idea. You mentioned a moment ago that as governor you took on the ban on on felon voting in your state something that's often seen as unfairly disenfranchising minorities you signed an executive order to restore voting rights but then it was shot down in court based on a i think pretty flimsy argument yet. Your response was then to do something pretty extraordinary. You individually signed over two hundred thousand thousand individual requests to have voting rights restored at this time consuming as something like that must've been. You just weren't going to be deterred. Were you. Well first of all you understand in america america ben so your listeners understand so in america today in two states you vote. You don't lose your vote. You actually vote when you're in prison in maine and vermont in fourteen states. You've vote. Get you get your vote back. The second you walk out of prison in the remaining states you vote when you're out of prison done with probation. Parole virginia was one of ten states. The disenfranchises felons virginia was one of three states permanently disenfranchise it so you wash your voting rights forever and remember in virginia. If you steal something over two hundred hours or you commit anything over two hundred dollars is a felony so if you steal groceries two hundred and two dollars in your eighteen years old you lose your voting rights for the rest of your life. That's just not right and in nineteen nineteen o two in virginia and really the ten states remaining are the southern states. This is remnant of jim crow in the states. I mean i it just almost hard to actually believe what how these poor people were treated but in the states you know they don't get their rights back. I didn't think that was fair. Are i tried to work with my legislature. They wouldn't pass legislation and it goes back to nineteen to ben when a state senator by the name of glass put it in our constitution shen and he said that day in the constitution he put this <hes> in our capital in richmond which built by thomas jefferson. I'm doing this quote to eliminate eliminate the durkee from being a political factor in virginia unbeliev so i said i won't tolerate it so i didn't executive order. Supreme court sued me. I the leadership of the house and senate soothe me went to the virginia supreme court which is appointed by the legislature when a two states but the constitution virginia is very clear. I we have the authority to do it but the supreme court came out and ruled against me said no. We're not gonna let him do it because governors done it before. Well you know ben then. It's not a constitutional theory. You know we haven't impeached any virginia governor either. That doesn't mean he can't do it. I mean it was just so flimsy and then the new york times in l._a. Times in washington just ridiculed the court and they said the governor has to do it individually so i said fine can all two hundred six thousand petitions and essay every damn one myself. I don't care how long it takes me and they sued me again. They quickly went back to court to stop me from doing that and they sued me for contempt of court now the supreme court wanted out and and they said no no no no he's doing individually. It's the right thing to do so we did it for two hundred six thousand felons in here's the best part ben since i was under court order doing individually i took every every petition. Put it in a with a seal of the commonwealth in my signature. I put them all an individual envelopes mailed it to all two hundred six thousand with a voter registration form and a stamp self addressed to mail it back the republican screw themselves because they allowed me to have the largest voter registration just ration- drive in virginia. That's amazing because i imagine that you know if you had just signed. An executive order in a lot of people probably wouldn't have even known that they could vote again but you're getting that individual envelope in the mail probably did good. You're exactly right when i did it. You know did it in the capital and the place went crazy but a lot of these felons aren't watching tv and listening to radio but you know when you get a package with the governor's signature and the seal with a voter registration form you know oh then boom i got to the bottom line has been every day. Someone comes up to me tears in her eyes thank you you made me a full citizen of the camera woah. I just can't tell you how depressing in disheartening it is for you. Know fathers used to tell me on election day they'd go to polling booth in hope they could find one of those voting stickers acres and put it on and go home show their kids because her embarrassed to say they couldn't vote now. You also have some pretty harsh words for president trump in this book but you say initially as governor. You tried to have a pretty good working relationship with him. A what were you hoping that you and the president could achieve for your state this when he got elected <hes> i felt says says the governor of virginia i was also chairman of the governors in charge of all the governors the national governor's association with the new president coming in who i had known for twenty a years. I figured together an infrastructure. I mean we've got a mess center hands. I wanted to work with them and healthcare and he always when i met with oh them ben always agreed with me when i met with them and then literally within twenty four hours he would go the other way but as governor of one of the largest defense states in america. We have twenty seven military military installations. We have the largest naval base in the world in virginia the pentagon the c._i._a. Quantico marines all in virginia you know oh i wanted to work with the president <hes> to make sure that we are getting the funding. We needed to grow the assets we had in virginia but i tried and tried and tried the man has no moral core sure he does not believe in anything. I always say trump's down. A republican trump is trump yeah. It's all about what's good for him. <hes> yeah in fact there's a good moment in here where you recall that you would run into him in the years leading up to twenty sixteen and he talked about running for president but still wasn't sure whether he was going to run as a republican or democrat crat right listen. I was used to give money when i was chair of the d._n._c. He was pro choice pro gay rights life. This whole thing is a charade he. He just wanted to termine how he could win. I go back to my point. Trump is about trump. If trump thought he could win is a democrat he would run as a democrat. If not you know he thought forever to run as an independent independent for years because jesse ventura had done it and that was his role model and you know that didn't work out so he ran as a republican and you know it's shocking attila great story in the book the first time he's in his first big official dinner is to host the governor's our annual meeting early february and watching it. I'm sitting next to him of course is the chair. The governors and adam leans over to me at one point and he says you know terry puts his arm on minas. Can you believe i'm here and he's looking around the room with all the beautiful paintings and abraham lincoln could in washington and i looked and put my arm and his and said all difference mr president no. I can't believe you're here sir. Yeah you mentioned a moment ago that you knew the guy for twenty years before he ran for president you recount this weird moment when you and president bill clinton nor i think at the moment ex president bill clinton were playing golf at one of his clubs. Can you tell that story yeah. I mean so as i say he was. He'd been a democrat. I think bill and hillary went to their wedding. Whatever and right so we were down. Golfing actually happen to be a weekend. <hes> i remember ben. It was like yesterday it was my birthday and i was down staying at my friend's house the president i were down there. He had some things to do. I had to do but you know. We sat up three four five in the morning like i used to do. Just you know jackson jaw talking and so forth and i had to be up like at six to go on c._n._n. I was chairman of the party democratic national committee point and we went golfing after that so nine doc we roll over to the golf course it's trump's course and it's nice. He's got a nice cake for me. For my birthday. I think was my forty four th birthday i think and <hes> it was nice golfed. He's he's a pretty good golfer. Well anyways at the end we finish and we go clinton go into the pro shop and trump goes away from ten minutes and he comes back and we're walking down the motorcade motorcade to get in and trump pants clinton this big envelope of big manila envelope and president clinton opens it up and there's all these pictures of us golfing of komo on the golf course and they're all signed to bill best wishes. Donald in all i could think of is what does the president of the united states of america eric do with autographed pictures about trump. I mean really what an ego yeah. Oh yeah. There's the most powerful man in the world world now is giving him autographed pictures. You've had your differences with president. Trump on a number of issues like healthcare the muslim ban in a legal immigration but then came charlottesville and i want to talk about the lead up to that first of all that statue of robert de leeann charlottesville is hardly exceptional. I i was surprised to read about how many confederate statues and monuments you have in virginia. How do those numbers compare to the monuments to other wars and your day yeah. I think i think people are gonna find that fascinating when they read the book and i go through the whole history of the monuments which let's be clear ben they are offensive to the african american community sure as governor. I used used executive authority. I took the confederate flag off the license plate right african american community. This is remember they were fighting for slavery and they can today say whatever do they want but as just plain offensive these folks were traitors to the united states of america so let's think of virginia the revolutionary war started in virginia saint john's church when patrick henry gave the famous speech to jefferson and washington. Give me liberty or give me death. The revolutionary war ended in virginia at the battle of yorktown when they defeated general cornwallis and that was the end of it so pretty significant. I think two or three statues the revolutionary war the war to end all wars world war one will were two biggest loss. We had less than a dozen really the confi the confederate a civil war three hundred and fifty eight wow. We're most of those built during reconstruction. Many of them were good point. During massive resistance well after the civil war ended in eighteen sixty five and it just horrible remembrance and we have so many of them and as i say they just plain offensive when i say in virginia is give your local <hes> jurisdictions cannot make a decision on their own state law prevails and the republicans in the legislature slater. Never gonna take him down. I think localities automaker decision if they want to put him in a cemetery where they want to put him in a museum they ought to do that but you know what i worked hard to make virginia open and welcoming and as diverse as possible because diversity mosaic tile makes you stronger and when you have offensive offensive symbols people don't wanna come to your state or they don't wanna stay interstate and that's something i can tell you as governor is not what i wanted and when the city council of charlottesville phil voted to take down the statue it was a fairly unremarkable event didn't get much press coverage. So how did it go from this non event to this big media media controversy in rallying cry for races earlier. They'd also some of the leadership of charlottesville said they wanted to be the center of resistance to president trump which i can tell you as a governor. I don't wanna hear that i wanna hear about being the center of innovation and technology charlottesville a beautiful city with the university of virginia and a really hall and work working on technology and so forth and twenty-first-century economies and then of course they took the vote and at and i knew ben as soon as they did their vote to take down the statue that wouldn't be long and sure enough shortly thereafter <hes> the unite the right rally permit was filed and what i unfortunately take exception to the city eddie invert in charlottesville you have ten days when someone applies for permit to do something to issue it or decline it or you know if if you wanna put restrictions on the time the place that you shouldn't carry polls or weapons are you can't wear masks. The city shall didn't do anything so if you don't do anything it's automatically approved and so we had on our hands a permit for a twelve noon to five rally it this tiny little park emancipation park and i i knew right then i had trouble i called my state police and told the fire up our fusion center and so for several months we monitored we had undercover operations. Go we now work with d h s and f._b._i. But we knew through social media and our own investigative work that these folks were all told to bring weapons into come into harm people. We knew that ahead of time. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with more with former virginia governor terry mcauliffe when we come back in just the minute studying for standardized tests doesn't have to be stressful boring. You were expensive. Magoo online test prep provides students everywhere with effective accessible and enjoyable test prep for exams like the g._r._e. G. mat l. sat mcat and s._a._t. 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You're fusion task force and your secretary of public safety seem to be on top of this well in advance of the event and making recommendations to the local authorities in charlottesville where they responsive to your advice. Did you feel like the city government was sufficiently prepared for what was coming absolutely not and i talk at length about this and you know listen. It's it's hard to talk about but we kept telling them that. This is a volatile situation. I actually put a memo in the book of my conversation with the mayor what we needed to do there. The city manager the chief of police and i think ben one thing that happened a cut about six weeks before there had been a clue klux klan rally and the ku klux klan was about fifty folks and i i told the state police my you know let them walk through the street. They lilly will stop at the first fast food burger joint and you'll never hear you know they'll be. The decline was fifty guys. Well unfortunately a lot more counter. Protesters showed up. They chase the k._k._k. Into a parking garage they wouldn't let him out. The state police fired three canisters of tear gas to disperse the crowd and so forth well well unfortunately the overreaction from charlottesville. Was you know police brutality and you get the idea but the day their job is to keep people safe so i think the attitude going forward as well we wanna be. We don't want to be a militaristic state that this wasn't anyway. This is about keeping your citizens safe but you know there were no blockades around the rose. Sir should have been they should never have allowed the permit in its present form. The emancipation park is a very small park ben and the idea. You're you're going to have a thousand armed. Neo nazis and white supremacists potentially two thousand counter-protestors literally trying to fit them. I'm in your backyard. It was a vowel mix and unfortunately finally the city sued wednesday night to move out a emancipation park and put it up in <hes> mcintyre park which was a much bigger park in the key to controlling a protests keep the two sides separated absolutely the the a._c._l._u. sue the city eighty on behalf of the neo nazis in the white supremacist to say no. We're going to keep it here and unfortunately two days later on friday night. At nine o'clock a judge judge in charlottesville cited with the neo nazis in the white supremacist so instead of moving at up to the much bigger park where there there could have been good crowd control. It was stuck in emancipation park in downtown charlottesville. It's like your backyard and you have just signed a recipe for disaster. Yes remarkable read in this book. How many times you were stymied every step of the way by of all things virginia chapter of the a._c._l._u. do do they share some of the blame for what happened. They absolutely do and i'm very tough of the book and listen. I'm for all for first amendment. I say in the book. I love the a._c._l._u. the work they've done in our history but but there are times when if law enforcement if my colonel the state police in the city of charlottesville and all the other people we it is a volatile situation people are going to be hurt and there's going to be damaged that should supersede anything else and as you read in the book several members of the national a._c._l._u. A._c._l._u. resigned from the board after charlottesville. They said we are not going to be on board to protect the rights of neo-nazis. Were not and it's unfortunate fortunate but you gotta bales public safety against freedom of speech had we moved it up. They still would have been able to parade around and yell. They're horrible you. You know every other word was the f. word. Every other word was screaming at juicy. We're gonna burn. You burned you an schwartz. I mean i'd never in my life. Ben heard such language coach it. How did we get to a place like this. In america and before the main event on saturday there was as you mentioned this night rally that was unscheduled ah the u._v._a. Campus and resembled the old torchlit nuremberg rally very scary stuff and one of your guys on the ground was political science professor larry sabato. Oh who a lot of people might recognize as a regular political commentator on cable news. It was one of the first people to alert you to the fact that there was going to be a torchlit rally apparently state data authorities were taken totally by surprise outed that happen yeah. That's a great question and apparently to shots. Police had had <hes> heads up the dish. I was going to occur. I think several people u._v._a. Had heard rumors that was going to occur. Nobody pass that onto the state so my state police my national guard. Nobody knew it and then brian moran calls me my secretary public safety. He says you're not gonna believe there. Are hundreds of people in bennett was frightening so if you looked up you know there's a mountain right right outside of u._v._a. Of charlottesville in all you could see it was dark out was his long snake of individuals carrying torches hundreds chop them screaming jews will not replace us blood and soil all the sorta things that they chanted nineteen thirty three and nineteen thirty four <hes> in germany <hes> it was very similar and they had swastikas on very militant very abusive <hes> the things they said about women. I couldn't even repeat repeat on this radio show and that was the kickoff and then they start throwing their torches and it became cast but the state was not even informed of this and that's why the next morning earning i hit everybody on full alert. <hes> all my folks there. I had my all my teams there but we still worked for the city because remember we're there in supporting the cities in charge urge under virginia law and we have to take orders from the chief of police but we're there to support and we were there but kept getting reports from brian moran all morning morning all morning and finally brian moran. I'll give them a tremendous amount of credit. I i was not supposed to call state of emergency. The city was first and then i would fouls since i'm learned support but things got so out of hand at about eleven fifteen bryan ryan went to colonel fiery basically said you gotta call the governor's got declare in i i understand colonel flaherty. You know law enforcement likes to work with fellow law enforcement. He was sensitive to the chief of police of charlottesville and brian just said screw it and he went <music> out picked up. The phone at about eleven eighteen called me up and said governor. You need to call state emergency. This situation is out of control. I immediately said yes. I immediately authorized authorized a a state of emergency and si- <hes> officially signed gave the verbal and sign the order immediately and the state police moved to the park told they had eleven minutes to disperse which they did. We cleared the park in eleven minutes and the state and then the national guard went in and secure the park we we thought at that point then everything was fine <hes> no property damage we'd had fist fights and skirmishes gone on but nothing serious no serious injuries at this point and i felt pretty good so i'd cleared the park and the rally was over but even before it was supposed to begin from noon to five but by eleven seven forty five or whatever the park was clear and then boy about an hour later couldn't believe it <hes> bryan ran caused map says you've got the t._v. On i said yes they hadn't shown a eddie said a car just ran into the crowd. I say anybody been killed. He said he didn't know and then within ten minutes to state. Police got hold of me and told me that heather higher had been killed thirty two year old woman in injured dozens of people yeah and aside from the tragic death of heather hire a you and your family also suffered suffered two personal losses that day. Can you talk about that. Yeah i got ta was the toughest day of my life so i had flown down from northern virginia. They didn't want me actually on insight because you don't want the governor breathing over here. You know you let your law enforcement do what they need to do and they knew me very well. I'd wander out in the crowd and they didn't want security and so i was in northern virginia and so i flew down on my heloc on a fairfax helicopter because this <hes> trooper won the state police helicopter that i always use was was there doing surveillance so i landed and had a big motorcade formula a lot of security because of all the issues going on and as we began rolling going into downtown charlottesville <hes> the head of my security detail mark wiley said there's an aircraft down that made me a little concerned because as i flew in on the fairfax county helicopter they pointed out they said governor there's trooper one. There's your pilot over there doing surveillance but i didn't see any other aircraft but you you know maybe at the airport an uneasy feeling so we continued on and then i went to go down. We're going to do the press conference and so i'm in waiting to to go out and because trump hit so i mean we haven't really gotten i mean trump fumbled the ball beyond belief when he said it was both sides and so i knew i had to come out band that time in speak for virginia speak for the country and speak for the world and tell these neo nazis white supremacy races to to get out of my state to get out of our country and there's no place for him here but just before i went out and i knew this was going to be a very important speech for me to give because trump had so fumbled it and hit embarrassed the nation and had failed in his moral leadership they inform me that the helicopter indeed had gone down and that both who tend to jay colin my pilot it and trooper pile burke bates who'd been on my security details had been killed and it was so hard because burke bates had as i say you know part of your personal security detail for the state place you have twenty there with you twenty four seven with your kids these you know they hear everything they see everything they become part of your family and i just felt like i i had been kicked so hard in the gut but i knew then. I had to go out with all these cameras and do what i needed to do. I talked to my wife dorothy who was in northern virginia. She was just beside herself because of this say so close to burke bates and they were there's a lot of concern because my phone had died on the helicopter down and when the word went down the trooper won the state police captured. The governor uses crashed for a while there. They all thought i had gone down in in that l. Camper no renew. I was in a different helicopter so the whole oh who's just a very tough and then you know i went up back to richmond and i went to see the colin family. I went to see the bates. Family both have two young children. It's just tell you ben. It was <hes> wish these people had never come into our state. I wish they'd never had the rally but i will say this bridge of virginia in charlottesville phil. We will come out stronger. They will make a strong where we're not gonna. Let this hatred although span yeah it. Did it anger you that all over the world. This was the impression people were getting adding of the people of your state even though many if not most of these troublemakers actually came from out of state yeah they did. They came from thirty five states but yeah a this. This was my ben going back to what i said too early when they talked about being a centre of resistance you. Nobody wants to send their state. Nobody wants hatred. <hes> it was such a volatile mix and i hate it. <hes> but what i really was bothersome to me was was trump who i talked to on the phone. Yeah explained to him. What happened horrible people in the state. Here's what you need to do. I said you know mr president. This is an opportunity. I said brock obama had charleston. Bill clinton had oklahoma city. George bush had nine eleven the world and especially those of us in america are looking for moral leadership today to condemn these vile human beings means who were saying the most disgusting things and when i hung up the phone i was sure he was going to do the right thing and then waited a half an hour an hour an hour and a half two hours. I was waiting to do my press conference so he could do his. He said he was going to go right out and do it and i know what happened and the white house got a hold of him. He was up in new jersey at his golf course up there where he's gonna do the press statement and they gotta hold them and they said no sir mr mr president. You are not going to contemn neo-nazis. That's not who you are so he came out did not even use the word white supremacist did not use the word neo nazi and came out and said they were fine people on both sides. Let me ask you this. Do you think trump is a racist i do. I don't don't say this lightly. I say this because if you look at his deeds in his actions i mean look at elijah cummings what he's done to the congressman from maryland. Look what he's done to the squad wad look what he did to those muslim countries banning those seven countries i mean i was governor during this time and families were coming in from these seven countries u. S. s. citizens. I went to dulles airport because they had detained for hours to young children. Who were u._s. Citizens they just have to be coming from one of those countries <hes> the fear with immigration that he's created in this country. The vile sent her home locker rob. The whole what he the frenzy that in the hatred richard in the division that he's brought out is disgraceful and yes and i'll tell you this we knew he was a racist on charlottesville that was his coming out party that was him as a dyed in the wool white supremacist and he is going to attack you if you're from a community of color because you are not an american. You don't belong long here go home. Let us make this a white country. It's sad and i also want to mention congressman. John lewis who actually wrote the ford to the book and you recall meeting with him in the wake of charlottesville. Did he have some words of inspiration for you well. I'll tell you so monday. I'm back office in richmond richmond and i get a my assistant comes in and says congressman. John lewis is on the phone. So i pick up the phone we sail only said governor. I just want to know that i watched what's your speech on saturday night and he said i started to cry because your speech moved me and i thought man i mean this is john lewis lewis who leader of civil rights movement had been beaten up constantly almost losses life calling me to say that thank you for speaking up for those people who did not have a voice so i went to see john after and he wrote the four in the book and he's a big part of what i say in the last chapter. How how do we go forward beyond charlottesville. How do we what do we have to do to end racism in this country. Yeah and i wanna ask you about next. Steps not just in virginia but also oh you know as head of the national governor's association sherve. Did you try to get other governors to learn from what happened in virginia and take action their own states. We did especially in fact couple of days after charlottesville charlie baker's who is the governor of maryland call me up to what do i do and i said charlie the one piece of advice. I can give you get control your permanent process and make sure you keep the two sides separated if you do that then you know you've got a buffer zone so so after the boston huge unite the right rally they kept him. I think there was like a mile and a half but for so between the two sides but that's what you have to do and you know virginia virginia laws very unique because of our history and the state controls y you know we're the dillon rule. Were of one of the few states left dillan rule which means no senior. Your county can even determine what their own taxes are so it's hard to state like virginia but i did talk to the other governors about how we go forward and is bad as charlottesville was. It ripped the scab off a racism. I think for far too long ben in our country people. They're not first of all. They're not comfortable talking about race. They're not comfortable talking about the issues of racism. They're not comfortable talking about the history in this country and so for so many people so many white people the they basically think we dealt with racism. It doesn't exist. Everything's fine well. They'd snap the case and which charlottesville did was ripped that scab off and say <hes> racism here and until then we deal with the issues of inequity in schools deal with the issues of affordable housing housing equities in housing deal with the criminal justice system which has many racist elements left in it deal on the issues of healthcare racism is gonna continue to exist so i talk about in the book like you can't have inferior school systems. You can't have school systems and african american communities where the facilities don't have the latest equipment the facilities may leak or not he'd adequate or cool adequately not have the same quality of teacher because you're just it's insidious racism that will stay. Hey with us and i tell in my book. I end the bulk you know. I don't wanna hear about reconciliation commission's anymore. It's a bunch of white people sitting around a room talking to each other making themselves feel good that means nothing. Do something vote get out there. Leaning in stop racism racism in our country will speaking voting. We're heading into another presidential election. Why aren't you running for the democratic nomination. I thought long and hard. I traveled the country. I really he wanted to do it. I thought a southern democrat born in new york <hes> who took a huge debt turned into huge surplus record jobs and was a just a brick wall leaning in to protect women's rights and so forth. I thought it was a good message that worked and as we got closer the field got bigger. They had twenty five <hes>. I think joe biden was a little bit probably in a similar space to mine ben but the other thing is you know as you know we had issues in virginia with our governor lieutenant governor and attorney general and we have elections this year for the first time in twenty-six years we could win the house senate and have the governor. I had to make a decision. Do i get in here with a narrow the window or do i come back home where you know everybody's asking me to come back and take over things and run them. So we can win. I decided to do what i thought was where i can make the biggest impact something i've always done in my life. I'll go it isn't about me and in fairness. I think some of these candidates who are running for president. Maybe should have run for the senate. Let it but you know. I gotta go where i think i can make the biggest impact on life and that was going home to virginia. We're heading into the second debate and wonder as former chair of the dnc and see. What do you think democratic voters are going to be looking for in a candidate yeah. That's a good question what you know what they're looking for. A similar can beat trump but be more importantly and i'm not i've been vocal on this ben. I've been dissatisfied with the first day. I don't think they're addressing issues that american aircon public deals with every single day. I never heard k. Twelve mentioned. I never heard infrastructure mentioned. I never heard cybersecurity mentioned. I never heard workforce development development mentioned. We spent an inordinate amount of time chasing the shiny objects like medicare for all or the new green deal people sitting at home saying well. What is that am. I gonna lose my private insurance. We spend all this time saying that. Immigrants can come to this country. We're not gonna charge any crime. Then we spent a time talk talk about how we can give every immigrant healthcare and i understand we've got to take care of everybody but this is what our debate was all about and and then they hear that why may lose my health care because i got private insurance and under medicare for so wait a minute. I'm gonna lose my insurance and we spent all his time. We're gonna give it obviously obviously the folks coming in the country. Something's wrong here so let us lean in people. I wanna question how are you. You're gonna fix prescription drug costs. I'm a father with a family of four. Let's say tell me right now. How you're going to bring the cost of these prescription drugs down gimme a very very specific way you're going to do it. What are you going to do on infrastructure. Give me specific so i don't want to be overly negative because i'm very optimistic person but the democrats better start start leaning in and qu dealing with these ideological litmus tests and tell voters what you can do for them in the last part. They need to tell people people because of charlottesville and other issues. How do we heal and how do we you know and i think those are the three big things that i want to see out of the upcoming days. <music> good advice will again. The book is called beyond charlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism governor terry mcauliffe. Thanks for talking with me. Thanks band great to be with you. Thanks again to terry mcauliffe coming on the show or his new book beyond on charlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism on amazon audible or wherever books are sold and follow him on twitter at at terry mccall all your career goals require you to take a standardized test like g. r. e. g. mat l. sat. 'em cat or s._a._t. Moosh online test test prep provides you with the tools. You need to get a great score like study schedules up-to-date practice questions video lessons and support from expert tutors study anywhere anytime on desktop or mobile visit magoo m. a. g. o. s. h. 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See Charlottesville Through The Eyes Of David Wax Museum
"This is the world cafe. I'm Kaleo as part of our sense of place trip to Charlottesville Virginia. I met up with sue. Sleaze AC and David Wax of the Band David Wax Museum. I spoke with them in two thousand nineteen on the cafe when they released their latest album. Line Line of light come up injury. Come on wake up. And don't tread back to sleep. Sues grew up in the area and after some time away the pair decided to come back to raise their family here. They were kind enough to show US around the city they call home foods. David Hi Macleod straight to thank you so much it's absolutely beautiful here and Su- suggested we meet in a park downtown. The man's patient parks marks. This spot made national news in two thousand seventeen when the Unite. The right rally came here. Something that David ensues address on their latest album line of light. It's also a spot tied. Hi Desouza his childhood memories. I grew up here out in for union or out in the country on a little farm as a home schooler with no TV and pretty In some ways sheltered from the nineteen eighty S. What is that like? There's a lot of mystique. I think nobody knows what happened for us. It was My Dad had been a public school teacher. And he just had read. You know about the movement to keep kids at home and In the seventies and felt felt he wanted to try that so he is a real learner and curious person so it was not an insular experience at all We had a little community of home schoolers. Who would come to our house every Thursday? My Dad would make a big pot of beans and we'd have been tortillas and he would teach them Latin and we'd Place big soccer games games and watch calves being born ice skate on the pond. If it was the winter it was really pretty idyllic childhood outside of town and by the way I should point out like this park that we're in it's like it's absolutely Tsutsui picturesque. Yeah later on when I moved back to After travel college and traveling and I would bring my fiddle down here and then eventually bust enough to make ninety nine dollars to buy a little guitar from snooky. PAWNSHOP which snooky is still around I bought a little guitar and so I would come come and strong here. What were you playing folk songs? Gram Parsons songs like She was a favorite of mine. She you came from the club also growing up. I was lucky to be part of this amazing old time music community. Our some of our closest friends Had really studied old time music in their youth and it's sort of saturates area Being close to the the Blue Ridge Mountains and APPALACHIANS bad. So do I met sues in two thousand seven. She just been back in Boston for a year and I just got back from a year traveling around Mexico studying folk music. I meet Susan News and I started hearing about the world that grew up here in Charlottesville and think for me it resonated with what I've just been experiencing in Mexico like vibrant folk music music and let's integrate into people's lives and their culture and so it's very easy for me to start romanticizing this area and her childhood. We cannot on her first tour in two thousand nine really. So where were you. What was your first shop? Our first proper Charlottesville show is at this little Not Teahouse slash music. Venue called the twisted branch. T- bizarre that that's a little bit right. Oh Yeah yes we over there. Let's go walk over there right so it's important to mention one. More thing happened before we got to the teahouse. But we'll come back to that in the meantime let's have some beverages on the third floor of an old row home building the twisted branch. T- bizarre reach you with the strangest of decorations. A giant fake tree that serves as a bookshelf sues. Describe where we are sitting. Yeah right now. We're in this little wooden duck. It's kind of like a boost. Enclosed on three sides with some kind of Maroon tapestries trees embroidered tapestries curtains enclosing us in our own. Little Little Cove here It's really cozy spot. That smells of spices and T.'s. And it's where David Wax Museum played their first local Gig as David explains we'd got started in Boston. And so so for the first two years just played around New England but then we went on our first national tour after record carpenter. Bird came out because Charleston seuss's seuss's hometown where like all right. Let's get to Charleston. We'll build like a week of shows and so this was. This was probably the only place that would book us when we were coming with our first first time ever to town. I think my high school was looking so I reached out to him. He got us a spot and just like it's a little tiny stage. It's it's a sweet place is to play in the sweet place to see music. It kind of blew me away because her full community showed up for our first show here so we packed this little place. I mean there must have been hundred fifty two hundred the first show in Charlottesville remember the first song in the set. I think we already plane yes. Mary says one of the first songs. In the southbound uh year damage stumbled counterpart. Yeah I watch your if you and I think for me I mean that was when I really fell in love with Charlottesville so I started painting a picture in my mind about what this place was. How did it match up when you when you when you finally arrived? Well the the part. That's tricky about kind of sorting it. All out now is that I would love at the same time that I was here and fall in love with this place so it's kind of like it always happening at once so I feel like when I try to pick apart those threads. It's it's kind of. It gets pretty tangled right away. Or my God this is really beautiful thriving community in this could feel like a small town but it feels bigger than that after we got married. And we're thinking about having kids. We thought really should be somewhere where we have family. Everyone says that and we can sort of understand why I feel like we have a really beautiful life here and we have a beautiful community here and We feel like for our children especially Ashley that they have a sense of where they belong for us it because so much of our life. Is that kind of dislocated like living in the van. Travelling all over the country. Not Knowing where we're going to sleep that night or where are we gonNA wake up to balance that out. It was important to like. Find a place where they would feel like that rooted sense of home. Yeah a home that thanks. To Charlottesville. Biggest musical export is thriving. We we have a lot of things To the Dave Matthews. Clint capshaw team. That so you know. The fact. That the biggest touring act in the world started in Charlottesville. And there's been so much trickled down into the community from those guys that's been a real investment in these super nice venues the fact that this big management team had their hub for so long still has a big office here so means that they're all these great venues of all these different sizes right right on in one central strip walked to from our house. The other thing about it is that if we lived in La or New York even Boston. If a big band who do we know because we've toured with or you know somehow festival if they would come through New Yorker Boston. There's no way that we could have any facetime with them because they would be seeing all these. VIP's live in that city when it comes shots they don't know anybody and so we can say oh. Hey Miller from seventy WANNA come over for dinner and he says of course because he doesn't have anything else going on south of open position a a half a half cell. Remember when I you said something happened at the park before we left. Yeah this is what happened. That's my dad. He works at so the haven. Is this homeless shelter right there where he works. He cooks breakfast every morning. Yeah this is the same home schooling. Dad that made sues being tortillas and totter Latin as a kid and he was here the rally was happening he was in his kitchen and we were caught. WE WERE IN LA recording and we were talking to him you know and making sure he was okay and make sure he had a back door exit because there was violence happening. Yeah so that was all right across the street here to after a nice introduction. Ken An and Calera there from Lou pleasure to meet you cafe chooses. This is dad. Another David took us back to what happened on that day. I I've worked there and They got on in a group phone call and said dad get out of there. We're watching this on twitter. Get Out of there. I mean the Nazis shouts echoing off the building here. The blood and soil and Jews will not replace us and those were the chance that were echoing often buildings in this spot. I've been scheduled to cook a lunch that day and we locked our doors. We knew there would be trouble and we didn't want we wanted to protect our homeless people who don't don't live there but spend their time there so we locked our doors for the safety of our people and kept him inside and usually only breakfast but that day we cooked lunch too and then when my kids told me to go home later did away from all this rioting and stuff fortunately the guys with the machine guns but it was pretty scary. It was the low point of entire life. I still still kid still can't get over what happened right here. It was terrible just terrible. I'm so sorry you're in it. You're right in the middle of it. It's part of our world and Suzanne. David did a little pilgrimage to the site. They were away and and We all went there and they're still flowers there. You can still find see that site. They're going to paint a giant mural on the side of the a building there and Charles those known over the world now because of that day so fuck. The flowers are in memory of heather. Hire a thirty two year old local resident she was killed and nineteen others were injured when someone of a car through a crowd of counter protesters at the Unite. The right rally in two thousand seventeen. We decided to go there with Susan David. Yeah we were just right around the corner from the T. Bizarre here on the street. The now renamed Heather Highway here. And so you were you guys got back took Charlottesville the day. After we came back we flew back the next day and came right down here with his dad with our daughter. Collide the son Moses. It was covered with flowers and candles and a huge group was still here the day after witnessing mornings you know you made this beautiful beautiful album. You Know Line of Light. How was that record born out of this or when did the the seeds of Echo we need you to address this? How did that come to be minutes? Hard to sit. It was very hard to say it was very conscious. I think just naturally came out of Things that we were thinking about and things that we saw community dealing with And kind of Australian to make sense of this terrible event as parents and community members here in Charlottesville thinking about what our role is artists Wasn't it's GonNa be as a response. I think that uncovered the gold is is my attempt to kind of find take some resilience and strength as a community and trying to be a force for positively and love Would it seems like we need in our country as a whole particularly in our community. Right now I refuse to live. Won't give them one has not through the trees seeds. The in the darkness used a raising even then they must remove everyday small. ooh ooh maybe now now the washes. I asked to what happens next. I guess one thing that comes to mind is After I described Huma kind of idyllic childhood and talked about in shown you this very peaceful town I think it is representative of the bubble that some people can live in and when something like a domestic terrorist attack. Happens in in in your neighborhood in your hometown I think it is this wakeup call. That a lot of people need it and and I think as as an American it's it is easy to get kind of caught up in our own comfy bubble but I think really looking at hatred and white supremacy in the face and racism in the face is very important because it is very real is present now and we all need to be working working together to continue to combat it and and and And make it a thing of the past win the ladder. You'll soften true you'll know every day EH. Small Washes Small new way they uncovered. The gold is from the latest album from David. Wax Museum called Line of Light. Thanks again to David. Wax Ensues lease for walking around their hometown with US Charlottesville Virginia. I'm Kallio more moment on world cafe
These Charlottesville Musicians Want To Change The Way You Experience Live Music
"Half closed I this is world cafe. I'm Cala what if a concert could change the way you thought about life music. Not but what it adds but by what it subtracts. What if you couldn't see and what if there was no stage to look at anyway? I think listening to each other that first show. I remember I would get those waves of chills and after being performer. For twelve years. I do sometimes get chills on stage but quite rarely and so to get almost every song feels that wave of chills that really I think automatically feels sacred. That sue sleaze act of the Band David Wax Museum. She's one of the four musicians who came up with the idea for concert in the blind. Here's her husband. David Wax Concert. The blind is a surround. Sound immersive musical experience where the audience members are wearing blindfolds or have their eyes closed and so the sense of sight is taken from them. Welcome to conserve the blind or is it was recently renamed the Golden Hour as the band's wander around the room you never know when a new sound or instrument will appear or where it will pop up and well he where in Charlottesville Virginia for sense of place with David Wax Museum and Lowland The show's creators. Here's David again. Our hope is that unlike any other musical experience that you have a group of musicians that are performing and walking around the room whispering people's ears singing in harmony across the room and trying to help people be present in a way that we think in our culture is really hard right now. David ensues from David Wax Museum and Lauren and Daniel goons from lowland Our good friends. This is Daniel from low and home and we moved to Charlottesville in twenty fourteen. Met David Sues at a friend's party. Our mutual friends wanted us to meet. Because we're a two couples that tour for living and they're very particular challenges involved in that and they thought it might be helpful to have some friends that did the same thing and there were very right anything to add. This is Loren I specifically remember. Y'All inviting US over David ensues inviting US over one afternoon for dinner. That's all true very percent we did meet. I remember thinking you guys were so nice. I like to Nice just too nice. I just couldn't even. This is by the way I just did. I could be that. I wasn't sure if it was GONNA work. It did. The Genesis of concert in the blind came from a birthday party for Daniel his wife. Lauren had invited people over to eat in the dark. Including of course their friends sues David and so we went over there and Susan issues like. Oh let's bring our instruments and we'll have a concert and they'll be that'll be cool right. It's like yeah. That sounds good but I don't. I don't know what the Vibes GonNa be. Suit brought our instruments but we never brought them out and it was so kind of awkward because it was a big people and we didn't know each other and I was thinking whole Daniel. Their music would be so perfect they would sing now if we had the courage to break out instruments that we brought that would help. Break the tension here. People responded to that birthday experience in lots of different ways and some people were honest with summer. Like I did not have fun like it was weird because because I think we none of us realized how much we depend on. Visual cues conversationally so everyone kept interrupting each other. We'd say kind of something that you thought was funny and no one would laugh or even because maybe there are laughing with their eyes. But you can't see that. So even though they didn't pull out their instruments that time we had this where you guys like. What if we try this with music and thus concert in the blind was born during the concert? Lauren Daniel David Sues Wander through the crowd and they get within inches of people's faces at times. Other Times they're banging on percussion from across the room. The audience just GOES WITH IT and Warren reflects on how it feels as a performer. I think one thing that surprised me that I didn't anticipate was just the feeling of While these people really trusted US they've been leading here blindfolded and they've really allowed themselves to be so vulnerable to us and they're trusting us not to start obamacare scare. They're more mishandle their trust. There's an old stage performers tip that involves envisioning your audience naked. Well try looking at a blindfolded audience suse from David Wax Museum. Interestingly enough when you're very relaxed your face actual experience board so sometimes at the beginning you're looking around and you see these kind of Maoz like drooping mouths which ultimately is a sign of of relaxation can be a little off putting but also you get to witness those same relaxed mouths to kind of blossoming into that genuine smile. Like new. See someone you know you walk past them with plucking your fiddle or with the accordion in this incredible natural surprise. Joy overtakes their face. So we get to watch those moments and sometimes see yet tears running down from under the blindfolds or like the blindfolds getting wet because people are crying at this concert. People may cry but they don't clap at least not until the very end. Here's Daniel from lowland Applause truncates certain human reactions to people being vulnerable in real time. We do these things that I think. Help US move through experiences with less tension. That sounds done. I clap okay. I am not there anymore and other people that have come to an have felt like. Oh this isn't concert. This is like immersive theatre. Sometimes the moment is broken by the audience in unexpected ways. I have a so excited by my parents to the show. You Know My dad came to one of our concerts in the blind end very soon after we got started I looked over and I saw his his neck kind of nodding nodding and then I walked by and I heard that gentle snore. And I'm like what do I do? You know. You can't like wake up somebody 'cause what if they really snort and kind of come to with even louder so I just let it go and then I looked over later in the set and his head had fallen onto the shoulder of the person next to him after the show. I asked the person next time I said to to realize that my dad fell asleep kind of on your shoulder and she said no. I didn't I didn't notice that I did think though that somebody next to me was really enjoying the concert in a very strange way with heavy breathing up and so the point being is not for everyone about forty five minutes into the show. This happens came you own baby. I hope this thing is almost done. Because I'm feeling strange A Cell Phone Joan. Well a they for China. Strange thing with us and don't worry it's almost And if you drink you dry on that's Daniel of lowland singing. Here's his wife Lauren. The moment where Daniel does the improvisational song acknowledging the situation everyone is in is one of my favorite parts of the night because it is like this moment. I imagine it's not as though the spell is broken. I imagine that people remember this is a room full of people. I'm not just in a dark room by myself. Hearing this experience alone you know and I always enjoy seeing people's faces at that moment in the show as the concert ends the audience takes off their blindfolds and reacts to what they just experienced Jeff. The World Cafe Listener who was at the show reflects on the evening. I was expecting the losing my sight to really pay attention to the sound but what it made me really feel was the extraordinary of the ordinary moment itself and then being surprised by there's constant surprise of sound of presence of location of instrument of its mutation. So you're just like in this moment of discovery with in that in the creative moment like almost like you're helping to make the music. Meanwhile the performers can see everyone really connecting weaver all totally totally shocked by the reaction to it because I mean Music is already very vulnerable. I think the way that we all do it. It's very vulnerable. And we do connect with people in in sort of visceral ways and stuff but people were like. Can we hug after that? It was it was sort of like. It was extremely intimate. I know that everyone has a different experience at the shows and I can't say what I hope every person experiences but I do hope it fills a need for each person and that may be in some way it provides kind of a regrouping of their mind or like a re integration of their mind. From being you know just from the daily kinds of distractions that we all face with technology and ways. We're all kind of expected to be multitasking. And thinking in thinking about a million things while doing a million other things I hope that in some way it is kind of reorienting re-centering for people thanks again to learn and Daniel Jones of low and And David Wax and sue sleaze of David Wax Museum for inviting us to take part in the concert in the blind at Common House in Charlottesville Virginia in November since then the two groups have decided to rename these special live shows. They're now called golden hour and immersive musical experience. David Wax Museum and lowland hub will be launching a special tour of Golden Hour. Shows this spring. I'm Kalaheo this. Is the World Cafe?
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Sage Smith- Missing Person
"Welcome to the owl once was lost podcast and where the companion to the owl once was lost missing persons phone app for apple and android devices if you have children elderly parents or anyone with psychological conditions that could lead to an accidental disappearance in any form or fashion. You need to download the free app and be ready in the event. The worst does happen. And you need. Helpful is in years out looking in your area in real time. Please also consider supporting this effort through our patriotic page patriotic. That's p. a. t. r. e. o. n. dot com slash. Once was lost with only three dollars per month. You would be helping to maintain the phone app and be a producer of the podcast. This is a one man effort here. So is the phone app which is being improved and added to almost to make it even more useful in an abduction or missing persons case. Feel free to list anyone that you know that's missing already directly on the app and it will get plenty of looks and be in. The owl families is in minds as we can cover the case here on the podcast as well just got up and post them on the app. That's all you gotta do so okay. So let's get into this missing person's case we source from stories of the unsolved dot com under persons. We highly recommend this site if you enjoy true crime mysteries and they are a partner of missing persons phone app as well as this podcast. So this is the disappearance of sage smith. Sage smith was born to shod liquids smith on december thirteenth nineteen. Ninety two to parents latasha. Dennis and dean smith not long after she was born. Her parents divorce in her father was incarcerated on a drug charge. Ali would eventually be let out and form a close relationship with its child. Dean and his wife would remain separated and would eventually marry new partners resulting in sage's extended family growing to include numerous step siblings due to unstable home environment stage sage was primarily raised by her paternal grandmother. The lita cookies. Smith for a time. Sage and cookie lived in garrett square and affordable housing complex located and one of the poorest neighborhoods in charlottesville virginia. Despite having a fairly low income cookie was a dedicated parent to sage the two grew very close she was also a prominent figure in the local community serving on the tenants association and the residential poor patrol. When sage was twelve years old she and cookie moved to charlottesville fifield neighborhood where she would meet one of her dearest friends. Secure a washington. Who lived two doors down. Eventually she would return to her mother's care but after latasha was deemed unfit to take care of her sade was then place into the foster system. While entertains sage came out as transgender telling her family and friends as she identified as a woman she didn't like labels and sars self as gender fluid. Her family had known she was gay from a very young age and for the most part had accepted it amer simply waiting for her to feel comfortable enough to come out. Dean had trouble initially accepting or sexuality when she told them he informed her that he no longer wanted any contact with her which deeply upsets age of course and others in the family he would eventually we connect with her after his youngest son took him aside and reminded him that he'd always told his children to be happy with themselves while sade was becoming more comfortable with who she was. She found the transition to be difficult due to the harassment and bullying. She and her friends experienced due to this harassment. She was cautious. She always in church didn't walk home alone and she would never go anywhere with any person that she did not know. Sage was described as being incredibly charismatic and energetic a personal at a smile and could light up a room. She was a social butterfly and had a presence that was unforgettable. One of her passions was dancing every weekend. She and her friends would get dressed up and go out on the only queer club in charlottesville or to the strip club located near the university of virginia. It's set. She owned her dancing skills by making youtube videos. Whilst in high school she also was known for being quite fashionable and like to impress those around her she took pride in the way she looked and would ensure she always looked her best before going out in two thousand and eleven became the first person in her family to graduate from high school despite struggling at times to maintain her grades about a year later in march two thousand twelve she moved into her own apartment with the assistance of the foster care system and soon invited kira and her other friend. Aubrey carson to live with her. The apartment which was located on harris street was dubbed the dollhouse mansion in quotes due to its pink walls in the girls often would host parties there in order to make ends meet saved work at a hair salon where she swept up hair. She dreamed of one day becoming a professional hairdresser and was taking classes at a cosmetology school. In order to make this goal a reality on the night of november nineteenth two thousand twelve girls held the party at the apartment in celebration of secure his nineteenth birthday at some point. A girl arrive in stated that she wanted to fight one of sages friends over man in altercation which ended up outside sage got involved and began fighting an acquaintance by the name of jamal. Smith which led to the police being called at around eleven. Twenty pm the arrived on scene and while jamal filled out a report against sage claiming she damaged his car. No one was arrested in the officers soon. Left not long after this secure contacted some friends up in norfolk virginia and asked him to pick her up and take her to the coast for a few days. Something they did. The next morning according to shakira saito was angry with her. At the time it felt that she should have intervened in the fight on her behalf. The next morning sage. Call their father to congratulate him on the anniversary of him being released from jail on the call. She'd asked him for money. Sources differ on what the money was four with some stating. She wanted to get your hair braided. While others stated that the funds would go towards purchasing a tv for the apartment with thanksgiving. The next day state was very excited and she'd be traveling to louisa county to surprise her stepsisters lived with latasha. She was also eager to see your new mother's house and according to tasha. Sage never responded to any of the calls or texts that were sent that day around five pm that evening. Sage was at home getting ready for a date and at five forty pm. She woke up. Aubrey who had been sleeping on the living room and the teller that she was headed out. And we'll be back later on that evening. However when. Aubrey woke up a few hours later she was found that the apartment was completely darkened. Sage wasn't there with all calls made to resell phone being sent directly to voicemail so on november twenty first two thousand and twelve. Aubrey awoke defined states still hadn't returned to the apartment when she tried to call her cellphone. She found it. Kept going straight to voicemail which struck her as odd sinn sage constantly had her phone on her and it always had. Its charger on hand worried. He contacted few friends which is when she learned that. Sage's stepsister a year. Morgan had seen her the previous night around six thirty pm on main street. Near the intersection of west main street and ford street northwest. A year had been walking to the bus stop when she sausage talking on the phone while she was unsure who she should who she had been speaking with she did recall hearing her say she'd be there in five minutes. Aubrey then call cookie immediately. Troubled knew something wasn't right. She told aubrey to wait until ten pm that night into report sages missing if she did not return before then. The charlottesville police department started their investigation into sage disappearance on november twenty. Second two thousand twelve. They were immediately concerned about foul play as they were aware of the sort of violence. Those who are transgender face and thus work to collect statements from your friends and family in the hopes of developing a timeline of resume of her movements according to aubrey. The department hadn't actually taken the case as seriously as they let on saying they only ask for sages name birthday and picture. The dean was the one to inform the tautou. This age was missing. She was nervous as always had her on phone and she would always respond to calls and messages from family. In order to not alarm or daughters. Enna in russia langston. She stayed quiet about the news but unfortunately the girls seem learnt of their siblings disappearance after seeing a post about it on facebook and in order to get a better picture of sage movements on the night she disappeared. Investigators subpoenaed her cellphone records as the process was slated to take a few days so the family took matters into their own hands. They guess sages account passwords and soon access the records themselves where they learnt her last known contact was with an unknown person who possessed an out of state number. No hoping to catch a break. Dean posted the number on facebook and was soon contacted by a person of the name of yami ortiz. Who claimed that belong to a man named eric mcfadden. According to ortiz. Sage had been dating mcfadden who was not yet openly out about his sexuality he told the and mcfadden had exchanged texan emails and even met on multiple occasions and out of the blue. He message ortiz on november twenty first and asked him to delete his contact information from his phone. Despite thinking this was a bit odd. He thought nothing of it until he'd seen deans facebook coast. Dean soon learned that sage mcfadden had met online most likely through one sage college encounters ads on craigslist and had been texting and calling each other for weeks mcfadden. Who has a relationship with the woman named esther. I vini had paid sage money to keep their relationship a secret. However it's unknown if the money exchanged was due to blackmail prostitution or if it is unrelated to their scenario to either one of them are teeth provided deem with an image of mcfadden which then shared on facebook. He didn't share this information with the authorities. Out of fear of them shutting down. Its own investigation into sage disappearance on november twenty third ortiz connected mcfadden in made him aware of the investigation of he contacted mcfadden and the hopes of finding sage. A group of officers conducted grit search of mainstream and the surrounding area which is heavily traffic due to the nearby bus and train stations. They checked open lots trash cans fields parking lots and dumpsters and canvas nearby businesses for surveillance footage. Unfortunately those who had security cameras did not capture anything and the only other camera was one that monitored traffic on november twenty four. Th police conducted a search of harris street and around the university of virginia. That same day. They learned about the possible connection of eric. Mcfadden had to the investigation after esther called them and asked them. Did they perform a welfare. Check she out of town at the time hadn't been able to reach him so she wanted them to check. He was wasn't incapacitated in their apartment when they arrived at the residence on fourteenth street they found. No one was at home in left later. That day or teased visited the police department told them about mcfadden their relationship and deans facebook post. When they contacted mcfadden's work they found. He hadn't shown up for three days. Police soon went public with that information about the possible link between his and say disappearances they put up posters featuring images and descriptions telephone poles convenience store counters and community bulletin boards with astor's consent. Investigators searched the apartment located downtown charlottesville. They hope to find any fingerprints. Dna blood or other evidence. That shows sage had recently been at the apartment. They siedman patents computer and while they are uncovered a received from a nearby. Cvs which showed he'd made a purchase on november twenty second only a few days prior. This was later proven by surveillance footage from the store this led investigators to believe he may have left town after being outed by dean on facebook. They spoke to aubrey about mcfadden. Who told them. She had only met him. Briefly during an encounter on main street with sage throughout the beginning of the investigation of family held numerous vigils to help raise awareness about the case. Eventually investigators were given access to save his cellphone records which confirmed she had been on a call with mcfadden around the time she was last seen while the record showed her phone had been off since her disappearance it had pinged off tower near her apartment however it was noted that given charlottesville is a small city. The cell towers are not far apart meaning. The findings weren't necessarily conclusive the records. Show that mcfadden. Sage text numerous times throughout the night and from that police rebel to develop a more thorough timeline for the evening of november twentieth at five seventeen pm sage senate tax asking mcfadden when he was leaving at five twenty pm. Mcfadden responded saying he had already left and was at the hampton inn at five seventeen pm to five forty pm. The pair texted on and off at five forty pm states left her apartment and made her way to downtown charlottesville at six away pm. Mcfadden texted sage asking where she was at six twelve pm. Mcfadden again inquired about sages whereabouts from six eighteen. Pm to six thirty seven pm. Mcfadden texted sage numerous times. But she was on a call with a friend. It's unsure if she saw these messages at six twenty seven. Pm upset mcfadden texas sage again. Claiming sheet stood him up and then at six thirty five pm. Kierra sausage walking down four street northwest near the four hundred block of west main street at six forty pm. Sage walked westbound on west main street. All right so on november twenty fifth mcfadden contacted estrin told her he was in washington. Dc and needed money. She informed him that the police which speak with him and gave him their contact information two days later he called them from new york city and explained that he hadn't left the charlottesville area because he was involved in siege disappearance during the call. He confirmed he had a relationship with sage and that the parrot arranged meet in front of the amtrak station on main street but said that she'd never appeared. Investigators in charlottesville requested. Mcfadden travel back to town but he immediately hung up later after contact them to say her boyfriend had agreed to return so long as someone was there to pick them up from the bus station however an hour and a half before he was scheduled to board the bus back charlottesville. He emailed astor to inform her. He changed his mind mcfadden. Strange behavior confused. The family now wonder why who wondered why. He wasn't cooperating with the investigation. If he had nothing to hide this led them to believe he was somehow involved during the first week of the investigation. Cookie claim to have tried to contact investigators numerous times to which took heard leaving several messages for them to return recalls then on november twenty eighth. Investigators searched the streets in wooded areas along west main street before expanding the search to include the area around mcfadden's apartment. They also held their first press conference regarding the case where they stated. It wasn't a criminal investigation. Has they had no evidence to prove that anything criminal had occurred on november thirtieth police visited a trash expert. Who helped him determined that the garbage in the dumpster located behind mcfadden's apartment was transported to a landfill sixty miles away in an rico. County just outside richmond. Virginia three days later astra came to the police department. After receiving an email from mcfadden where he describes the night sage went messing. This provided a different sequence of events to the ones heated initially shared with investigators according to the email he say did met up on the night in question and when walking down the street were approached by a group of people claiming sage head enemies. He wrote that he'd walked away before anything bad could happen. This suggested that mcfadden had been afraid of from every scene but as historian hadn't changed police were unsure if it was the truth the email also alleged that had been blackmailing mcfadden. And that she'd asked for money or else she tell esther that she and her boyfriend were in a secret relationship. He ended by writing that he was heading to the midwest and he apologized for hurting her after learning the email. Mcfadden shot to the top of the suspect list of course as a result. Police obtained warrants to search his computer. Email accounts social media and bank accounts but uncovered. No evidence police searched through sage's social media accounts which showed no use since the night she disappeared and through this search. They learned that many of their previous partners were not openly gay and thus have been keeping the information on the down low. According to one friend one of the relationships had been with a man whose girlfriend had learned of his meetings with sage after discovering emails. The man blamed sage had attacked her one night while she was walking home. The assault had resulted in charges being laid however it was later confirmed. He had no involvement in sage's disappearance as he had been incarcerated at time on december third. The family made a public statement wherein they questioned the city's response to save his disappearance saying it hadn't gotten the attention it deserved that same day. Aubrey was discovered using sages food. Stamp carter to local convenience store and when questioned she told investigators that the three roommates often shared their possessions and that she had taken the car to purchase groceries for the apartment to sled for suspicion to grow around. Aubrey as police weren't able to confirm her alibi. For the night of november twentieth. During december of two thousand and twelve. Three major searches occurred in relation to the case. The i was a search of the areas around main street and mcfadden's apartment as well as around some nearby railroad tracks with the assistance of officers from the virginia department of emergency association and cadaver dogs from the virginia search and rescue dog association but one of the dogs gave a slight indication that it had picked up sages sent. The leads actually might nowhere. The second search was of a sediment pond which was scoured by police dive team and fortunately that search turned up empty. The third search was of the landfill in henrico county. It consisted of charlottesville police department officers from in rico county personnel from the forensic and has mak teens to police dogs and retired special agent who had extensive of landfill searches spite over twelve individuals walking around the landfill. Nothing of interest to the case was located toward the end of two thousand and twelve. A reward of ten thousand dollars was supplied by an anonymous donor in the hoax. Have prompting more people with information about the investigation to come forward frustrated and of the belief that the police department wasn't taking the case seriously. The family requested to speak with the van. Police chief this meeting took nine month actually occur a waiting for the meeting. They went public with their concerns about the lack of developments in the investigations. A new eyewitness in the case came forward in february of two thousand and thirteen saying that they seen sage at a local cafe on the night that she went missing. The witness monica williams contacted police to say she'd seen sage at the wild wings cafe on main street around seven pm on the evening of december twentieth. Two thousand twelve. According to monica she was alone and waiting for somebody at the bar. This information caused police to reexamine their time line as the cafe shares. A building with the amtrak station. This led them to look into the possibility that stage could have had enough time to meet up with mcfadden before seeing a year in monica which would mean mcfadden was innocent of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately the cafe didn't have any surveillance cameras and when investigators spoke to the manager. They said he'd seen a group of individuals in the establishment. But they weren't able to confirm one of them was sage or not in may of two thousand and thirteen. Investigators up their efforts to locate sage. They contacted the national center for missing and exploited children. They should have done that earlier than that. Though guys in the hopes of getting their assistance in getting word out about the case and uploaded her dental records to a national registry should butter body ever be located in two thousand thirteen. This was the last time. Eric contacted esther he'd reached out to our on on and off via spurious emails but given he abandoned them after one. Us investigators were not able to trace his movements. The family held a vigil to mark the first anniversary of sages disappearance. Investigators have traveled to tidewater twice in relation to this case. The i was regarding reporting citing of eric while the second was following a report that sage had been seen in the area the disappearance of eighteen year old. Hannah graham from charlottesville raise concerns. Concerns for sade is family. The search for the missing girl turned out to be the largest and most expensive in virginia's history and save his family wondered why did not receive the same support and attention from the community. They felt there was a bias towards them. Given sages race and sexuality. Around the second anniversary of sage disappearance police once again took to the streets in order to distribute flyers two local businesses and along main street with a particular focus on where she was last seen that same month they announced that mcfadden was no longer considered a suspect in the investigation as a more thorough look at his digital footprint. Didn't line up with someone who had the time to commit a criminal act that night. They also stated that they hadn't the means to harm sage that he hadn't had them in harm sage and he didn't try of his own car either. He lived in a heavily populated area. Where residents would notice something out of the ordinary in january of two thousand. Sixteen police got a call from jacob teague virginia. Some three hundred miles away of a possible sighting. I probably butchered that name. But that's get ching-kuo teague of sage possible sighting of sage. However when they arrived it turned out to be her formal former roommate shakira. While they're the interview chikira and learned that audrey wasn't being completely forthcoming with what she knew shakira informed that she had become unsettled about aubrey. Using sages food stamp card and other personal belongings kierra was also reinterviewed which led to further suspicion falling on. Aubrey here told them that. Sage in aubrey had been in competition with each other and aubrey was jealous of for roommate. When approached about these allegations. Aubrey claimed was all a misunderstanding. However holes in her story began to emerge was discovered that she'd seen mcfadden more than one time that she claimed as police learn of meeting between them. And sage. The saturday before november twentieth. Two thousand twelve. The also fell. Their behavior was indicative of someone hiding something but she can continue to claim that she. That's all that she now. It should be noted that police have no evidence linking aubrey to sages disappearance. Though police announced in march of two thousand seventeen that mcfadden once again was a person of interest in the case this time more so as a witness in his a suspect though the also announced that as of december two thousand and sixteen that the case had been changed to a homicide investigation when asked why they delayed sharing the information they cited. It was out of respect for the family in may of two thousand eighteen. Investigators along with the forensic unit took another look at sages all department. The search took several days in. It's unknown if anything of interest was ever uncovered mcfadden's mother officially reported him as missing person with the charlottesville police department in june of two thousand and nineteen according to his mother. She had known that she didn't know that he was missing until two thousand fourteen at had been under the impression that his father father report with police she mcfadden stepmother are currently under the impression that he may have to spend deceased and according to investigators. The information states may be in the following cities baltimore maryland joppa town maryland atlanta georgia lake city south carolina new york city new york or rochester. New york in a variety of other areas along the west coast the also shared that he may have travelled south possibly to south carolina georgia between june in november of two thousand and nineteen investigators received over a dozen tips related to the case over the course of the investigation people especially say his family have been critical of how police have handled. It and aubrey claimed it took investigators more than two weeks to interview her and people have been critical of how long it took for the charlottesville police department to request help from outside agencies. There's also the fact that they didn't prevent the trash from around mcfadden's apartment being collected despite being advised to do so while investigators have said they spent countless hours examining evidence and reviewing witness statements. The family has repeatedly said that those involved with the case have not been open with them nor have they been kept in contact. The department's new police chief approached them regarding. This claim acknowledged that his officers had dropped the ball. A petition has been started to encourage the police department to keep heavily investigating sages disappearance. It asked that investigators begin to better communicate with cookie and requests that they expand the investigation beyond its focus on fatten. It also asked that the department publicly apologized for its mishandling of the case especially surrounding the amount of time it took to be designated as a criminal investigation. Finally it requested that the media respect the pronouns. Sage went by and for regular meetings with the family. That's important guys. As of may two thousand twenty stages case is still being treated as a probable homicide investigators in teamed up with the fbi in their search for answers and there is currently at twenty thousand dollar reward for information. So there's a few theories first one is in. Its the primary theory in the investigation is eric. Mcfadden was involve in sage's disappearance. This is due to the inconsistencies in his story as well as the decision to leave charlottesville area not long after seed was reported messing as a formation april mentioned. He's considered a person of interest in the case. Investigators are looking to speak with him in order to gain a better understanding of what happened. The night of number twentieth. Two thousand twelve mcfadden's still missing though enlisted as a missing person by the charlottesville police department. The second theory is some of shared that aubrey may have been somehow involved in sage's disappearance similar to mcfadden. This is due to the inconsistencies in our version of events as well as the fact that she is said to have begun using sages possessions not long after she went missing. Aubrey maintains her innocence and continues to claim she shared all knows with investigators. There's a third and final theory in the case that jamal smith invi individual sage got into a physical altercation with on november nineteenth. Two thousand twelve may have been involved according to the investigators. He doesn't have an alibi for the night she went missing and he said to have been very upset about the fight. Now it turned out. Unfortunately police have not been able to properly question him as he's nowhere to be found so in the aftermath for several months after sake disappeared. Cookie would get numerous calls from a blocked number between one. Am and three a m a couple of nights a week however when she would answer there would be no one on the other end. The call stopped when cookie lost her phone and had to get a new number dina's shared that he's filed with their filled. I'm sorry with regret in how he treated. Sage after coming out he wishes he could have acted differently and not lost at time with his child. Since ages disappearance company has become seriously ill she was diagnosed with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and has undergone triple bypass surgery sages stepsister. Yana wishes sage could have been around to see the milestone. She hit since her disappearance including graduating from high school and getting her driver's license. The cue which is a center for missing persons had a bench made up and say his honor as well as the remember tour recently made a stop in charlottesville and saved was amongst those honored. The family hopes that sage's disappearance leads to cases involving transgender youth. Being treated differently in the future sade smith went missing from the five hundred block of west main street downtown charlottesville virginia on november twentieth of two thousand and twelve. She was nineteen years old and was last seen wearing a black jacket. Dark gray sweatpants. A black scarf and grey and black rain boots with pink and purple lining. She may have also been wearing a black hooded sweatshirt. At the time of her disappearance she took she stood between five eight and five eleven and weighed one hundred and thirty pounds. She has black hair which is usually worn in braids and brown eyes and was known to wear women's clothes and wigs her ears ni- browser pierced as well. Currently our case is classified as endangered missing. If alive she would be twenty seven years old now eric. Mcfadden was last seen in charlottesville. Virginia november twenty third of two thousand twelve. He was twenty one years old at the time of his disappearance. He stood between five ten and six foot. One weighed approximately one eighty to one hundred ninety pounds. He has black hair and brown is currently. This case is classified as endangered missing. 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Documenting Hate: Charlottesville
"This is an audio cast of the frontline program documenting hate Charlottesville premiering, August seventh on PBS. After charlottesville. Is your sense that there's new energy joining these movements. It's pro the most active. If Mike for frontline and propublica reporter, see, Thompson investigate wanted to talk about what you're doing Charlottesville last year who was behind the violence rally. Video view launching yourself into that crowd. You could feel how angry they were, but also how happy they were to be intimidating. People like this, and it was just as happy age. Uncover a network across America that goes beyond Charlottesville. Yeah, we think he's serving in the marines now tonight on frontline the first film, but continuing series documenting hape Charlottesville. Frontline is made possible by contributions to your PBS station from purists like you. Thank you. And by the corporation for public broadcasting, major support is provided by the John D and Catherine t. MacArthur foundation committed to building a more just verdant and peaceful world. More information is available at macfound dot org. The Ford Foundation working with visionaries on the frontlines of social change worldwide, at Ford Foundation dot org. Additional support is provided by the Abrahams foundation committed to excellence in journalism, the park foundation dedicated to heightening public awareness of critical issues the John and Helen glacier, family trust supporting trustworthy journalism that informs and inspires and by the frontline journalism fund with major support from John and JoAnn hater and additional support from Laura Devonian's since. Got me. Tonight's program contains mature content which may not be suitable for all audiences. Really. Charlottesville, Virginia, August twelve, two thousand seventeen producer and correspondent. AC Thompson. I've been tracking hate crimes since the presidential campaign. And I can see that something's happening in this country. Charlottesville rally was supposed to be about a confederate monument. But anyone who was paying attention to see that it was about more than a single statue. Belt like national reckoning around race was coming. And being here would help me understand it. Genieford ask questions. But as the day unraveled into chaos around me, when thing became clear. This was not a place to listen rounder stand. Charlottesville, crime scene. August eleventh, twenty seventeen. I arrived in Charlottesville for what would become the largest gathering of white supremacists in generation. They call it unite the right and it was drawing individuals from at least thirty five states. Good afternoon. I'm Tom Scholz Ville police. We will have a significant police presence throughout the weekend. Well, over one hundred officers for my agency, several hundred officers front of state police. We were informed that the national guard as monitoring the situation the day before the rally, a few reporters gathered for the police press conference. But I begun to hear from other sources in Charlottesville. Question cheap. We're hearing rumors of there being a nother torchlight March tonight and unfermented marks you have any information about that of heard the same, but I don't have a lot of details, but if you heard whereas that take place in city of the count by six o'clock, not far from here is what we've been hearing. The police had heard the same rumors I had, but the university grounds quiet and it seemed like the March might not be happening after all. Until suddenly the torches appeared. In a matter of moments, hundreds of Neo Nazis and white supremacists assembled and marched on the university. The police arrived on the scene, but watched from the sidelines. A small group of anti-racist activists were quickly surrounded. One of them. Emily core Sanski was training from an phone. We asserted on all sides. Hundreds of Nazis. We have no way. I got punched. I got kicked. Member getting hit and had. I thought it was with a torch. I stepped forward at one point and I got shot back. I thought I was going to die. Thing that I was thinking that was happening was I just need to keep the camera going, you know, that was the only thing that I could do. Yeah. He was like a hundred people beating like a small group of ten people. You could feel how angry they were, but also how happy they were, you know, to be doing this to to be intimidating people like this and this happy. I. That displayed before now never in my life. They were cheering. They were running through the streets yelling at people and they walked away and they got away with it. They're coming in here the next day, ready to do more. I thought like here we go. Here we go. August twelfth, twenty seventeen. The morning after the torchlight March. I walked into town with a group of clergy. The white supremacist who'd beaten people the night before returning. Anti-fascists counter protesters were arriving challenge. Ten fifteen melee erupted. White supremacist some with their hands taped up like boxers, punched kicked, and choked. People who tried to block their path, leaving the bloodied on the pavement. AC Thompson knows been all kinds of crazy violence over here. Pepper spray people being each other with sticks, trying to figure out if the police are going to intervene to stop that or if it's just gonna keep going on. We've different assignments to try to maintain some water. Folks, no run. Hundreds of people showed up to protest the white supremacist. Most were non violent, but some black clad militant anti-fascist had come to fight. While police looked on the crowd grew more aggressive. A group of white supremacists formed up with shields and clubs and push straight into the protesters. Some of them fought back, but no one was arrested and the violence continued to escalate. At about noon, a group of white supremacist cornered protester de'andre Harris in a parking garage next to a police station. They beat him with piles metal pipes and wooden boards. From. Police did not intervene to break it up. Then at one, forty, five, the brawling turned into something else an act of terror. Dodge slammed into a crowd of protesters twenty people were rushed to the hospital. Thirty two year old had their higher was pronounced dead. I always wondered, was she afraid at there's mother, Susan, bro. Did she see him coming. She was deaf in one ear, so. I wanna cry. She had planned on going. But when she saw videos from Friday night, she said my half to go. And. When you drive through Charlottesville now and see that peaceful little downtown, it's really, really hard to imagine even seeing the videos that surreal. I get cold chills every time I'm in the parking garage and have to walk password. Dry was beat up. That's just in saying right there by the police station, the police standing right there. For you. What is Justice for had their look like. I don't. I don't know that you could ever call it Justice for Heather. Nothing's going to bring Heather back. Those of us who Mr. Mr.. Forever. Her best friend said, you know, it's kind of weird. I'll get to be an old man and she'll always have been thirty two. You know, life goes on, I'm getting older. It's just weird. Very different. James, Alex fields, if the person who's been prosecuted for how there's murder in your mind, if the only person should be held accountable, no, for people from thirty five states to come in to fight. That's absolutely absurd. You had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. Nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. We condemn in the strongest possible terms. This agreed is display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sites on many sites was really something else to see this news conference Bill and Kathleen at the president's thinking, his reasoning, and frankly, his frustration over the events that took place over the weekend and Charlottesville defended his initial comments and says, there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides specifically. He mentioned what he calls the all left his me. What about the alt-left that came charging at the as you say the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt today? David, Duke, the former grand wizard of the KKK tweeted this grateful to the president for his words today. Thank you President Trump fair honesty and courage to tell the truth about Charlottesville and condemn the leftist terrorists in black lives matter slash antiques here in Charlottesville. One white nationalist told us the president has helped them. He's opened up a door, his movement. Opened up a door, but it's up to us to take the initiative. President. Trump's comments sparked national outrage, white supremacist leaders praised the president's words. The angered many here in Charlottesville including the city's mayor at the time democrat Mike signature groups that previously had been stuck in the shadows and at the margins at the extremes are brought into the mainstream, and that's why they felt welcome to try and unite the right in Charlottesville. At the end of the day, it's a, it's a city of. Just under fifty thousand people and we were. We were in this. We were this target for forces much much bigger than us. You are the Jewish mayor of a small southern town. I imagine you've gotten a lot of trolling and a lot of harassment. Oh yeah. Hundreds of messages on Twitter mail at my house, cartoon of Robert E Lee, pressing the green button on a gas chamber where my face had been Photoshop, new it with the star of David. I'm high lapel in reference to the confederate statue issue here in in Charlottesville. I saw you that night over at that county government headquarters, and you look stricken. Stricken is not a bad word for it. I wish that we'd known more. I wished that we had been given more information by the by the state intelligence apparatus. Anything like, hey, these guys are gonna come with clubs. They're gonna come with pepper spray. They're gonna come with, you know, implements violence. Now we had one briefing with three members of Virginia state police who came and talked us on city council. They did not present us with any evidence of credible threats. I understand it about ten people altogether have been prosecuted from those days. Does that sound accurate to you? It sounds like should be a lot higher. Unite. The right was a watershed moment for the white supremacist movement. Groups that have been isolated on the margins for years suddenly converged out in the open. An independent report commissioned by the city said the many failures of state and local police have produced disastrous results that day Swansea. If there's anything the Charlottesville police could say about what happened that day and what changes might have been made going forward. Okay. Charlottesville police won't talk and the state police won't either. I got your message saying that basically we should look at the Facebook and Twitter posts put out, but we have questions that go beyond that they've charged one man for the killing, Heather higher and four for the beating of Deandra Harris. But if Charlottesville was a crime scene than most of the criminals had gotten away, like I said, I'm just trying to figure out how many, how many folks have been prosecuted at how many cases might still be in the pipeline. I wasn't getting any answers in Charlottesville, so I sat up on my own. Were these white supremacists who had descended on Charlottesville. Why did the thirties seem so unprepared. I arrive in New York to meet with a retired at b. i. agent, a man who infiltrated Neo Nazi groups during the nineteen ninety s. This is from Charlottesville my German track. The violence in Charlottesville is on folded. This is when the police should be there and they aren't and not even view. I mean, you can't even see somebody close by. I mean, it's one thing to okay, watch these guys, traits punches, and then follow them as separate and grab them, right. They weren't even doing that or let them go home, but then pick them up. You can identify easily. And what's interesting about Charlottesville is that it was it was after almost two years of increasing violence. If these protests. As a fellow at the Brennan center for Justice and why you loss. There was. Sacramento. First, Berkeley protest, twenty seven. Can protests. Second, Berkeley has more violent. Seventh in in a series. I could see from my office here in New York City how this was building. This was not just predictable but predicted. I couldn't believe that there wasn't better intelligence being provided by the federal government by the FBI department of homeland security, particularly when people are coming in from out of state, they should be warning them. These are people who engaged in violence and Berkeley. These are people engaged in violence and Huntington beach, where was the FBI? And unless the FBI to is just abandon this crown, which I would find even more shocking and you're sort of senses. Like if you allow folks to go out and act very violently over and over and over again in these political spaces than they basically start to sing, hey, the cops are okay with us, right? They're going to protect me coming in. Let me do it and then protect me going out now that he's groups feel that they have some state sanctioned for that they are going to be a lot more dangerous in the coming years. Where was the FBI my Termine wondered. Issued warnings about white supremacist violence before Charlottesville, but those warnings had failed to stop the bloodshed. No one from the bureau will sit down with me, but they send me a statement PF be. I said that while it doesn't please ideology. It has long investigated, white supremacy extremists, and it will enforce the rule of law. stabbings shootings beatings. Rally after rally leading up to Charlottesville. I see the same faces again and again. One face stands out to me. I, I notice him at a pro-trump rally in Huntington beat any surfaces again at other rallies where he's treated like a leader. After briefly detained by police, I'm finally able to identify. Robert ruined is based in California now, but his rap sheet begins back east. That's where he led us small street gang in Queens, New York called the original flushing crew. The queen's DA shares Rune does file with me. Wound us and crew wasn't racist and included a few Latino members. They got into a bloody feud with the infamous street gang MS thirteen. Within MS thirteen ruined was known as the blow Blanco. In two thousand nine. He was filmed by surveillance cameras in front of this corner store. Ruined us crew can be seen chasing members of MS thirteen. Muno stabs. One of them his victim falls says he tries to escape and ruined stabs. Him six more times. Fetal remains on sidewalks here, but he's gone. He was sentenced to two years in prison for gang assault sent up state. After his release, he moved to Orange County, California. The neat rows of sun bleached homes here looked like a vision of suburban utopia. Orange County is always had a darker side. This is actually Klan robes. The guy was grand dragon of the imperial clans of America. The rank structure here, so sergeant's stripes that, but he's like in charge. He ran this whole chapter in the whole region. Most myth was an Orange County probation officer for twenty six years for much of his career. He worked exclusively with white supremacist. So the guy we're looking at rob Rondo, he has this tattooed on his back. Can you explain the significance total covers primarily found what we see with Neo Nazi organizations. We seen back in the day, started off with Adolf Hitler, stop them some of the Nazi for police. Wow. So this is a thing that that I've been trying to understand rob Rondo. He grows up in Queens, New York. He's a member of kind of a multicultural gang. He goes upstate New York state prison, and by the time he gets out in New York state prison. He is definitely on the path to being a Neo Nazi or a white supremacist. There is a lot of hate within the prison system. There's a lot of salts fights, racial fights. So the urine there in the separate by race for protection. So for these guys to be protected, the gotta be allied for partition with Hartford, violence, again heads, then they go out to the streets or ideologically motivated, so it's not surprising to you. It does price at all over time, especially within the last year or so couple years. I've seen this whole white supremacist become an. More emboldened just in the last couple of years, it's pro the most active in my history and my career. So in almost thirty years and a little bit different too, because you see a mainstream that you went to suspect you're seeing college. Kids become an old in this movement. So moving out of the subculture and moving into the mainstream American life. Right a lot. Yeah. I'm I'm really concerned. I'm afraid. Charlottesville could happen again. It'd be a lot worse. Smith says a new generation of white supremacists are pushing their politics into the mainstream. Rob does seems to be part of that trend. His group's first public appearance wasn't at a torch March. It was in Huntington beat at a pro-trump rally behind a banner that read defend America. Anti-fascists showed up ruined and his crew attack them. He pinned one of them on the ground and pummeled him. When member of his crew also attacked Frank tristen a journalist with Orange County's alternative weekly paper at the time. Did you know that this was a group or who did this or or what was going on? No, I definitely saw their organized. They suck as a group, you know, also the banner one, I got to the office and I started talking to stop about everything. He started having to go out and look for everybody. They're who, who was attacking people. Going to hash tags like hashtag mega March to you? Yeah, right there. So this. So is this him hitting you? Is that or is that later? This is right after he had just hit me when I clicked on his name, his profile, and you look at his pictures there and you say, oh, that's the due to attack me. There you go. Why said, okay, if we're going to tell the story that actually was white supremacists there, we need to get everything, right. So start digging former OC weekly editor Gestapo Arianna that I start seeing pictures that photographers took of that maga- March. And I see a guy, the shaved head and a jacket in the medium, like a hammer skins logo walking around openly with a hammer skins jacket, and then he starts digging. He finds out that this guy had actually been just recently released from jail from prison for a hate crime. And that's when you know that they're okay. This is more than just couple random people. There's something much more organized, Franken stav followed a trail. Social media posts and court records the research, put a name to rob does group. The rise above movement and ram. Trey themselves as patriotic nationalists, but the members Facebook posts are full of antisemitic and racist imagery. They also appear in photos and videos training with the largest Nazi skinhead gang in America, the hammer skins. So you got, you got a hammer skin here hanging out there doing their fight training with with the rise above movement. So the so the training, they're not identifying separately. It's all under the same monitor. So basic, basically, you have you have a new white supremacist group kind of absorbing the old guard guests and the old guard being known as being hyper violent? No. Yeah. So what happened with these guys in the weeks and months after the March and the attack at Huntington beach, where did they go? They start getting more prominent started getting more well known and more celebrate, started becoming friends with other writers. They, they're becoming heroes, check it out. Wants to know this, what we're about its rise movement before at Berkeley at Huntington. Now, we're here. That's right. In the months after their emergence at the Huntington beach Trump rally, the rise above movements, social media, following swelled by the time of the Charlottesville rally, they'd gained a national reputation as white supremacist street fighters. Couple of guys in these few shots that we weren't able to identify propublica video producer, Lucas Wildman. I wonder who he is. He looks like he's part of ram, death dressed in the whole thing, but I don't think we know is name. I know rob Rondo is the leader of ram and by examining online videos in court documents. I'm able to identify several more ram members, so there's this guy who I don't. I don't know if you guys know who he is now. Okay. So leave that on him and then come over to this video to the Charlottesville. One face looks familiar, and I quickly realized where I've seen him before. He marched in Charlottesville in August twelve, his hands taped up for a fight. Look, he's got his right hand taped up writing right hand. I wonder if it's left hands. Sure. He is both here. The same purse yet. Iran member to clearly be seen at tacking people to California rallies and in Charlottesville he participate in one of the mornings, I fights beginning escalating spiral violence. But whoever he is, I can identify. Using clues from Rams propaganda videos. I manage to locate one of their training spots. Just the four. Oh, five. Outside of our by. We find Rams feeder tags hidden inside drainage tunnels. Traditionally, when you looked at white supremacist graffiti it tended to be the office of this. Not the flower, large letters that socio more with empa- culture, white supremacist, graffiti traditionally, ten- tended to be more just like narrow letters, just like the lettering there. I'm guessing this is like the New York City influence like robbery, bringing this from queens and his upbringing. Here's my guess. I mean, it looks that way with sociologist Pete. See, Mia studied white supremacist for decades field research takes him inside dozens of racist groups across the country. Describe him as a hybrid of sorts because they're kind of collage in a way where they're pulling together these different ideas and symbols and associations and kind of making their own thing. This is that's the life. How does it get? Appropriated? Fide the way power movement all about white survival. So this is one that's been in circulation for a long. Yeah, national. I used it back in the seventies. What do you make of this got the Celtic cross? It's one of the most widely utilize tattoos among whites premises, and it's interesting because you get then this phrase here kill your local drug dealer, which taps into what's right above the straight edge. The three x triple x. this notion of living a clean life in being very kind of puritanical almost they felt like they were doing like vigilante type work. They're cleaning up the streets like the white supremacists to came before them. Seamy says that ram members present themselves as defenders of traditional white culture. Visit marble had park in San Clemente where they filmed training videos that celebrate personal fitness, the warrior spirit and political streetfighting. What they're trying to sell this idea that need to go back to a more traditional time traditional masculinity when they blend in these fights seems that's also as idea of being not only just fit in living pure life, but also being a warrior sorts. And so he could imagine, you know, sixteen seventeen year old white male, watching these videos and being somewhat moved by them or attracted to them. In some case, it looks like it's a small group. It's a fringe group. Why are they important and what do you think? Well, I, you know, the first thing is we just want strictly talk about violence. Small groups can do as much if not more destruction than large groups that you have. For instance, the Oklahoma City bombing motivity small group there that you know alternately pulled off at the time, the largest act of domestic terrorism prior to nine eleven. So so you know, an act of violence can certainly be committed by small group, and then I think they might be kind of small fringe group, but the best most sophisticated why supreme. Is the one who appears the lease miserable. They're not out there wearing uniforms that are going to be really visible. They're not getting tattoos all over their face. You know, they're, they're blending in a lot of different ways in including the issues. They're concerned about the issue of immigration which has been real hot button issue. White supremacists can seize on that issue and say, look, there's an invasion in America's under siege. Then they have the potential to recruit among much broader swath. That population that we often are willing to admit or recognize. A couple months after Charlottesville had enough to publish a story and video about the group naming rob Rondo, and several other members. I later here from several enforcement agencies including the FBI they won't talk on the record, but they say they've opened an investigation into roomed us group. I wanna talk to room though. I go looking for him and learn that he's in Europe, networking with extremists. There. And I still can't identify that ram member and the Charlottesville photos. The one wearing the make America great again, hat and punching people in the face. Then I get tip from a local cop. The man's name is Michael miss Ellis. The sells doesn't have a criminal record. He's a PHD candidate at UCLA and holds a government issued security clearance for his job at the massive defense contractor Northrop Grumman. Hey, my go. Acie Thompson, publican frontline. Wanted to talk to you about what you're doing Charlottesville last year. So do I think about that put you on camera on photos. Hey, do Northrop and UCLA. No, you're involved with the rise above movement. We identify Michael miss Ellison follow up story. And the next day north chrome announces, it's taken action MSL no longer and employees. New York City in army veteran lycees. It admitted white supremacists has been charged with motorists hate crime. Portland police, say late yesterday afternoon, three men were stabbed by man, killing ethnic and religious slurs over the course of my reporting. I've seen a wave of white supremacist violence hit the country. The brutal killing was motivated by prejudice after police found Urbanski belongs to Facebook group. All right nation. Police departments across the country of reported a steep rise in hate crimes. The f. b. i. says that hate crimes hit a five-year high. When case Tross my attention. Prosecutors, say, Samuel Woodward took Bernstein to a park in killed him with a knife Bernstein was found with more than twenty stab wounds. Woodward was the last person seen the premed student while he was home for winter break. Do you think your son could have been targeted because he was too absolutely. He was also gay man. Samuel Woodward hasn't been charged with a hate crime, but the case seems worth investigating. Took place back in Orange County, California. I've been looking at disguise Samuel Woodward the man accused of killing please Bernstein in this park. At first. I thought you have a gay Jewish college student stabbed that maybe this is a hate crime wouldn't know about Woodward's former OC weekly editor Gustavo Arianna Woodward. Wells teenager grew up in luxury Newport Beach. So that's the old money of Orange County is family were very devout Catholics. They went to one of the wealthiest parachutes in Orange County. Our Lady Queen of angels, conservative, conservative Catholic parish right there. So you've been tracking white supremacist groups for many years now, was Woodward a guy who was on your radar, you know, of him to have been involved with any long-term OC groups. Nothing. You have folks front here. You have hammer skins. I knew that traditional Neo Nazi groups had no idea who who this guy was Woodward didn't seem to be on anybody's radar here, and he didn't appear to be part of any local white supremacist group. Select crime was vicious. But it wasn't clear to me that he was even part of my story. On behalf of the people on the half at Sam Woodward betrays no emotion as court hearing he pleads not guilty. The fending Woodward. I pull Windwards court file, but their precious few details in it. There's also not much to be learned from his schoolmates. They describe him as an introvert and it seems like most of his life took place online. Orange County is starting to feel like data. Then I hear from a journalist, Jake Hanrahan gives me photos have been anonymous Twitter account, showing Sam Woodward doing paramilitary training with a Neo Nazi group called it. Adam often division. My colleague Ali Winston manages to make contact with the person who posted the photos. He's a former Adam often member. Any points me to another member who uses the online handle Ted Bundy. We trace him back to his parents house in DC suburb a neighborhood favored by members of the intelligence community. He uses Nazi imagery on his Facebook page, post selfish with guns, and I've obtained photos placing him in Charlottesville. Some reported with that propublica and PBS frontline, and we're working on a documentary about the new Neo Nazis. This is a Nazi emblem the black sun. This is a t shirt put out by the group atom often. His father one, neither confirm nor deny that the pictures on his son's Facebook page or real. But the next day I get a call from his family, they say, left the group that it was too extreme for him and he hasn't had anything to do with it for months. I think you should be aware that one of the people in the group that he he was involved with his currently facing charges for killing Jewish college students southern California's. Their stories, difficult debate by Adam, Watkins obsessed with secrecy, communicating through encrypted text messages and private chats using a service called discord. The former Adam Watson members sends us logs of two hundred and fifty thousand messages shared amongst the group. Ted Bundy is in the logs, and so as Sam Woodward. But something unexpected catches my eye. And I have to go back to Charlottesville. At the torch March last August Emily where Sanski had been assaulted while she livestream the confrontation, we traded information, but there were new details in the atom Waffen discord logs, activist Emily sqi. You were sending me messages what is in California and you. And I were both wondering if it was the rise above movement that came after you on the night of the eleventh. Then my colleagues and I got the chat logs for Adamov in this like much more extreme. Neo Nazi group, and this guy talking about unite the right and he's reporting back to his fellow Nazis. Just gotten if I, if you see a guy in tracksuit that's me. I drop kicked Emily gore. Sanski guy describes kicking you by name with your full name. We think this guy in the tracksuit it's this guy facility Pistola. These are private first class in the US Marine Corps. I mean, that's that's unbelievable. So there is somebody with a track suit. We have photo of him. And if we look. We can see him back here. You're going to see the deals tracksuit. This is the guy, and then he comes running in from the back, does a flying drop kick and he doesn't hit me because the person hits his is a few feet over to my right, but it definitely does come in and launch himself at people. And that's kind of what kicked off the whole group. That's things crazy the mail yet. If you look at this picture, I think it's got to be the same guy. Oh, that's him. Yeah. Look, the haircut that hairline is super active. The total widows. So at the same time, he would have been attacking people. He would have been working. The US government serving in the marines. The military bands membership in racist groups and the Pentagon publicly condemned the violence in Charlottesville. But while reporting his stolis I get an Email from marine veteran. Shortly after unite. The ripe friend of mine came across, come by postalis on Facebook and immediately clicked through to profile and realized this kid's active duty marine, and you can't be a Nazi in the military. She sent the screen shot my wife because she knew I had served and she thought maybe I would be able to get in contact with his command. And bec served a torn Iraq where he'd been assigned to the second marine logistics group. The same command Pistola served at Camp Lejeune after I was first alerted to Pistola. I started searching and just came across other websites that even posted on for years. What's from contents, racist content, antisemitic content Beckett seem the same footage I had of Pistola at the torch mart and he collected video from Charlottesville. I'd never seen it posted a photo of his costume, prepare. I thrived since the punisher baseball cap, the punisher cap, the flag the mask which ended up not using. I started digging into photos and videos pistols and the side, right? He turns and starts advancing and he gets ready to swing. He was everywhere in these images, right in the middle of here's one shot of him attacking. I had not seen this. This is insane. There are multiple videos show in postal attacking. Wow. Hitting the guy on the ground right. It's vicious. But there were at least a half dozen, but the captured his attack on Saturday. What made you finally decide like I have enough information here to call law enforcement Stolz popped up at the white lives matter rally and Shelbyville, Tennessee. That night of Neo Nazi group assaultive interracial couple. There's stole stall. The Nashville police were looking for witnesses. At this point I realized I had to report him. Call the military police Campbell Joan. I told them I have the, he'd been announcer for years and that he had assaulted multiple people at the retro said, is on the phone calls all the phone call. And what happened? You said he signed up the chain and they might be in touch, and I never heard back. I speak to the Marine Corps several times. They tell me they'd opened an investigation into stolis, but it came to nothing. I made contact with his stolen over Email, but he denied even being in Charlottesville. He tells me to call him. Hey, sees faciliate. I know that you told me that you weren't in Charlottesville, but I have found photos of you there and messages in different discord chats where you're talking about assaulting people and assaulting Emily Gorski name, but there's photos of you. They're trying to be like since you, here's possible. Do. Told you I've already on trouble with this. Because of that, I like being where I'm at right now and because of that, I've literally left everything behind, don't miss. 'cause I have recorded. I'm literally left behind like, I don't know what else to tell you like these. Those people crazy. I'm not saying I'm. I don't have certain beliefs, but I'm not trying to be involved with anything. Stupid is what I'm getting it. I guess that's it. You know, you say you weren't in Charlottesville, you're starting new. You don't wanna talk jokes. It's an inflight if you don't get the job, I don't know how explain this video man of you there. You know there's video view launching yourself into that. Crowd doesn't seem like a joke. It doesn't seem like posting. It seems like something else entirely. How about this one? You all miss? No. None of this comes l.. And you're from now we'll help you with your career. I can answer other questions that you want know because obviously, you probably don't wanna be working for propublica your goals far be working for like a bigger name company where you're gonna make more money. I'm just gonna give you the heads up now that I still have all our conversations recorded and stuff, and. I'll let you go. Okay. All right, ma'am. We publish stories on Pistola reveals identity and his activities in Charlottesville. Response to our reporting, congressman Keith Ellison issues a formal letter to secretary of defense. James Mattis Allison asks him to look into the case and the presence of white supremacists in the military. Have you heard anything from the Marine Corps or form naval, criminal investigative service about this? No, we heard about it from propublica. We wrote in about it because we're concerned about it. What are you hoping to get out of that letter? Well, you know, we've seen people in military leaders in the past actually change policy, and we seem to make some strong statements. I think this is critical because I think what Trump has actually done is given the opposite message. The reality is, is that anytime you get a whole bunch of these young white extremists carrying Tiki torches, no mass on through a public Streep, they're telling you were not world afraid. We're not afraid right to just do this. That is why it's critically important. To be very clear about the unacceptability of any extremists in Clinton's White supremacist extremists acquiring the best military training in the world is if somebody like stolis gets the gets the training and uses it, who's he gonna use it on? Maybe his fellow soldiers, maybe his fellow Americans. One thing we can do is to shine a light on this because when we get some light on it, then somebody somewhere is going to say, okay, this needs to become a priority. And so that's what we're going to do. As the anniversary of Charlottesville Tross near the US attorney's office in Virginia tells us to pursuing criminal prosecution. It seems like federal prosecutors are closing in on some of the same people I've been investigating. In Orange County, the secret life of Sam Woodward that we discovered as caught up with them. Prosecutors have now charged him with a hate crime. For their part, the marines court marshaled faciliate Pistola and ousted him from the core. The movement that violently erupted in the streets of Charlottesville hasn't gone away. Our source inside Adam Waffen sister group has been adding members and the stolis is not the only Solter in its ranks. This story is far from over. Coming this fall part two of documenting hate new American Nazis. What do you wanna have come out of this. Would your top PBS dot org slash frontline for our latest reporting with propublica. And send information about hate crimes to frontline public and our partners in the documentary hate project. I've seen this whole white supremacy become more emboldened the last couple of years. The most active in my history. My then visit our films page where you can watch more than two hundred frontline documentaries, connect to the frontline community on Facebook and Twitter than sign up for our newsletter at PBS dot org slash frontline. Frontline is made possible by contributions to your PBS station from viewers like you. Pacu. 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207. Emily Gorcenski - Making Nazis cry
"It wasn't about silencing opinion. We found the opinion we looked at it and realized that the opinion was violence. The opinion was an attempt to get people killed in that goes beyond the domain of free speech and into the domain Ah. Okay. We have to defend against that you are listening to made of. Also known as the Mole Pod podcast hosted by Sophie. Who is a Danish comedian? Signed. Oh I am so excited about today's episode in. So many ways. So many reasons festival we've got. 'em. Illegal. Sanski. Guest we a Nazi. Hunter. And Nazi Hunts A. That's not hallway words that something. That I found was Oh sang a few times of. Just it sounds. It's what she does in a way. anyways you you hear say talking about I feel myself being kind of nervous recording this because at one point she said that. There were many people listening to everything. She did a high up in. Organizations and stuff. So now I feel like maybe the Nazis will judge me. For how I? Deliver this intro natural anyways. Screw it I'm just so excited. We have Emily Kosinski on. This this is such a disconnect in my head between. How Cool and important. And exciting and fascinating and Essential she is, and like the season she moved, she had to leave the states to move to Europe because life was in danger because she's been. Outing and DACHSHUND and. Tracking down not season. So there's a disconnect between that and just how incredibly. Calm and sweet and. I don't know if she's shy just. Down to I don't know. I'm still blown away I'm recording this only a few hours after I've I've had the conversation with him. So excited also because. This conversation I'd never thought it would actually happen the time we set it up. of the microphone wasn't working the second time I. I was late. I got the timing. Wrong. I thought it was an hour before after something something. And then the third time my computer died after twenty minutes and now it's finally happened. Finally I I kept thinking have full giving me so many chances because it's very rare that I'm this useless when it comes to booking guests and I am. I mean, can you believe that we have? We have a guest who's famous full making Nazis cry I mean. Have we ever been happier. I will let you listen to the wonderful Kosinski in a tiny tiny bit. Not to say plugging wise. I, am. I'm so tired. I'm doing another online show soon, just check on my website. What I'm up to I'm recording a bit in advance. So honestly, I don't really know what I'm doing at the time. Listening to this. But Hey, why not go on segment side that might be something just announced that's really exciting. I like the the week in which I am recording this I have like four big announcements and. I'm building a new project. It's it's all a lot. But. Also I've just really been enjoying you. I've really been enjoying you. This is I feel after the two, hundred, two, hundred. Episode where I got to sit in think in talk about the Puck Qasim. Means to me what it's done. It's just A. New I duNno appreciation. For, what this is I don't know. Maybe I should stop saying that I'm going to try not be wankhede because I'm always Wangdi on this one you know what why don't they just Let you listen to this. I have some more stuff to say after. After the chat that needs to say afterwards but. I don't think he needs to know much more. Got Nazi. Hunter on. An. Have what to say I'll say that the end okay. You know what? You just sit down do it. You don't have to sit down, do whatever you want to do and enjoy this chat that I had with the incredible Emily Kosinski. A. People might not know who you are, which would be an awful shame because you one of the coolest people ever. Would you introduce yourself. Sure My Name's Emily Sanski. I am. Anything say work as a data scientist. But also activist and as many who? Studies on tracks modern white supremacy in hate movements. Technologist hockey player. All sorts of things. So I don't know what is what does it mean to be something where somebody? Wow, that's big. That's big from the from the very beginning. I think one of the things that when I was reading about you. A lot of places at set that you're a person who is known for making that cease cry. What does that stem from? That is true so As a little bit of background I'm from Charlottesville Virginia. or at least I spent. Ten years living there. And of course, Charlottesville was the site of the infamous neo-nazi rally in two thousand, seventeen where. A terror attack happened in the TIKI torches and all of that stuff right so sort of. Stuff that we've seen all around the world. And one of the Neo Nazis that was there marching at the rally was a man by the name of Christopher Cantwell and during Tiki Torch Rally, he pepper sprayed me. Along with several other people. And? End You know he was also at the time filming a documentary with Vice News And so what happened was after the rally in the? Vice and HBO. Race to put out this documentary about what had happened they had some very dramatic footage and. Christine was featured very prominently in in all of this and talking about. How he wanted to kill more people and you know showing off his guns and all of these things. Well, the thing is I knew who can't was and I knew that he pepper sprayed me because he posted a picture of himself pepper spraying me as his facebook header the next morning. So I went to the police and made the decision to rest charges against him. and. When he found out that there is a warrant for his arrest. This was shortly after the vice documentary came out with all of his bravado in his you know McKee's mount all of that. So this. News of this warrant comes out and he records himself in a hotel room somewhere in North Carolina or somewhere. Crying. On on this like stream because he's worried that he's got this this warrant for his arrest. And so this sort of very poor. Poorly intentioned little video that he produced. Of himself like sobbing, not quite sobbing but definitely sniffling. Earned him the nickname of decrying Nazi. So he became in within the span of just a few days he went from being this. You Know Big Bold Neo Nazi to this reduced hulk of a man. Who is crying because he you know got caught doing violence. And so that became a sort of a worldwide mean. And this happened because I was one of two people to press charges against him so. I've earned the reputation for making Nazis crappy, and since then I've also made several other Nazis cry for various reasons. And so I guess that is just now the reputation that I have. It's it's funny. You should say he was caught. Doing like very much promoted himself doing the line. You know it baffles the mind. This was such a bizarre sequence of events right because you know here he is somebody that went on camera and talked about how he wanted to be more violent. He was trying to be more violent. You know all of this stuff. and. Then when he acted violently, he bragged about it, you know Oh look at all the you know he calls everyone communists, of course, but all the commies that I guessed. And then he gets caught doing it and then he's like, oh no, there's consequences for my actions. Any cries. But it didn't end there right because. Sensible people when facing forty years in prison as he was. Would Shut their mouths but he did not know he started he continued recording his podcast from jail. And then when he was let out on bail. Despite having literally admitted to pepper spraying me. He then sued me and my co defendant or CO complaining rather in Federal Court. So there is a federal lawsuit against me. For claiming that he pepper sprayed me. Of courses lawsuit eventually went away. It was fine. But it I mean the tied up year life and as a result of this and as a result of his. Many. Attempts to to silence and intimidate me and I actually had to leave Charlotte. So I had to leave the country. In fact, I now live in Germany And so you know the sort of. End of the story or the maybe it's not the end. But the chapter that the story is now on is that Chris can't will plate pleaded guilty to. Two counts of assault. He was let out of jail. So he didn't get the forty years in prison. You got you know basically. Slept on the rest and sent back to his home but he was banned from the state of Virginia for for five years. Well, he didn't make it five years because now he's sitting in a New Hampshire. Jail. Awaiting federal charges where he is now facing thirty two years in prison for extorting. In violently threatening. Another fellow nutmegger. So, he's now waiting trial for allegedly I should say he has not found guilty allegedly threatening and extorting NFL Nazi. So. He's awaiting trial and The dog is yet to be finished but. We will see what happens with with them. But yes. Oh Wow. So many questions. Okay. That's all I mean what? A mess of a man, right? Also. In the did you say there was a vice, the commence remade featuring him like he the. Did. They do a committee about a Nazi. Is that what happened? Yes sort of they did So they had been tracking sort of white power movements. or at least that the journalists who did this and she kind of up with Chris Cantrell because he was this sort of fringe figure in the American Libertarian Free State Free People Movement back drifted into supremacy Nazism. And they kinda followed him to see what was going on and it was there are parts of the documentary that were very good in their parts of the better very problematic. Because giving a Nazi and unfiltered platform is very dangerous thing to do. Ultimately this documentary ended up winning several awards emmys I believe and peabody award for outstanding journalism. And it's it's still available. Anyone can go see it. It's called Charlottesville Rayson terror I had no end in making this this documentary. But. It does provide a really interesting look into sort of. Where that was in America at the time where white supremacy where hate was what the alt-right meant? When they when they peaked in two thousand seventeen. And That weekend and and those moments are still having ripple effects that are being felt. not just in Charlottesville but all throughout the United States, and in fact, all throughout the world. As we grapple with the rise of fascism and the incompetency of fascist governments to deal with real genuine crises like the coronavirus pandemic. and. You know the president of the United States Donald Trump was roundly and justifiably criticized for his response to what happened Charlottesville and I think that the. the overall impact of that is not yet. decided. That, we still have yet to see what what effect this all has and world affairs and. So it's very interesting to see how these things all interconnect. When you said that you had to leave The country? That that wasn't just can't just because of the lawsuit try what others you said that he tried to silence you end intimidate you what sort of things would he do? Will he knows, and he admits to knowing that you know he used to run a podcast. A radio radio in quotes radio program. For his Nazi listeners. that. was his main source of income and A. Threat me and write about me and talk about me on his podcast knowing very well that he had violent followers who would act out violent fantasies against me in one case in October twenty seventeen. called a swatting attempt against me. They called the police saying that there was a bomb at my house. I was threatening my wife. I wasn't even in state. I was like on vacation with some friends. My wife was out shopping when this all happened. And the person who who is responsible for this ended up recently. Two. Or three months ago emailing me. Out of the blue to apologize. And he in this email he. Admitted that part of the motivation for this was because I was taking Chris Cantwell to court. And so very much. This is a situation where Chris knew that his followers were violent. And that they would do violence against me. He's very much tried to get me killed by by his actions and his words. Typical, I was about to say that of that if that sounds too. Soft to say, Oh, typical Nazis but I guess it is How did you end up in the? That day in Charlottesville when you've got pepper sprayed. Happened in your life to lead up to the point where you. Up being, teargassed a Nazi. I mean. So I was living in Charlottesville I. Own a house there I get married there Community it. where I settled after I, finished my university. Degree and I was working there. And so in a bunch of the Nazis, come to your to your town in the state. What is the biggest neo Nazi or white supremacists public rally in decades decades definitely since the seventies if not if not earlier. And I think that you know you have a moral obligation if you're a freethinking person to to do something to oppose this and. I'm not a big person. I can't fight on the streets I'm not going to. Not, very good at shouting at Gable. What I did have was a social media platform and what I could do was. Go into the front lines show what was happening right because we knew that the Nazis were violent in that they were coming with the intent to do violence and that there is nothing. Nobody was listening to us when we'd said that they were coming to do violence. And so. I went out and I was there to do what I was going to do, which was to livestream what was happening. To Act completely nonviolently and. Just sorta bear witness to what was going on to do this in defensive. Are Black Community who's been routinely terrorized by white supremacists in the police. To do so in defensive, my community I mean you know I used to take classes I was. Working on a master's degree at the University of Virginia where the Tiki Torch March happened it was very much part of where I lived and so. For me it was just of course, I'm going to be out there. Why wouldn't they be? So. Was He fest Nazi that you sat a tracking a what you already tracking. Nazi of this point trying to identify them. No so you know I had been trying to. Track several of the Nazis. That were or the rally locally Jason Kessler in in some other folks. AM, Chris camp was barely on my radar i. kind of knew who he was and I did some research on him because he was a speaker. He was one of the headline speaker for the event. So he was already he knew he was he didn't need to track him. But you'd already been tracking all this. Yeah. I think you know we sort of at least the headline speakers did some work to see okay. Who are these guys like? What are they stand for? What are they trying to settle here? I think that's the responsible thing to do I mean this was. Funny that they say, Oh, anti is all about you know suppressing free speech and they don't want to. See a diversity of opinions in there. You know it's a collective just WANNA silence you it's like. No way like. We. As a community did a lot of research on who is coming. We win and read all of their work and Luther websites in southern twitter feeds. Some of US subscribe to their new newsletters. Righto wasn't about silencing opinion. We found the opinion we looked at it and realized that the opinion was violence. The opinion was an attempt to get people killed in that goes beyond the domain of free speech and into the domain Ah. Okay. We have to defend against that. So I think. Yeah I mean it's just. That's to me that's just part of living in the modern world full of. Misinformation and. Bias and impartial information like you have to do that work turns out when you actually do the work and you read what these people are saying, God this has gotta shut the Fuck Up. He's that's why most people don't do it. Why most people don't? Actively, participate in protests and I mean a lot of people don't even really care or you think one of the reasons is that people just haven't actually read all these. Like I mean a lot of Nazis, in the news but the real like Hakko. Nazis. Do you think that's the reason why so many people are not. Out there doing this. I mean first of all, not everyone Kennedy out there, and that needs to be recognized I mean people are you who are disabled or who can't afford to can take the risk you know they have family to care for your. Doctor, in nursing something right. We don't want them out there on the front. Lines. And other people you know the ability to stay silent and to disagree ideologically with a comfortably as a privilege. And That to me is the main reason because the minute that you step foot out in the streets you're giving away privilege you're giving away the privilege of being able to. Contentedly Disapprove of white supremacy you're away this allu- the. Privilege of aloofness. When you go out there, he put yourself at risk. And I think that that's a hard thing for people to do. It's a very hard thing to give up any sort of privilege. And so I think that that's part of it I also think that. You know if you want to interrogate white supremacy. To do so honestly requires you to explore many facets of our systems and. The. Process of doing. So will sort of awaken you too many of the ways that our systems are deliberately built stacked against. Anyone that has not weighed cisgenders abled male. In our society. and. So the things that give you creature comforts you have to start being willing in this process to interrogate those things and to open yourself to the possibility that you might find that they need to be torn down. That is also a difficult thing. Why bite the hand that feeds you nets the grand trick, right? It's to keep us. Satisfied enough that we can afford nice things you know certainly I'm comfortable I work in Tech my wife Works and ten we make a very handsome living. I live in Germany we still have a home in America, I own all of the furniture that you see behind me right. This is a nice easy life. I could shut up go about my business and probably would have been a lot safer for it. But to me, that also makes you complicit in that world. It makes you part of those systems that are built. To suppress press black people and Trans People and Queer people and women. and. To me being part of that. Silent. Complicity is. The design of the system and so when you choose to when you know and you choose to do that in, you are actively working to reinforce that system and for me I find that unconscionable even as I you know have comfortable pass myself I used to be a military contractor that was not the best thing for me to do what's what what is a military contractor I used to be an engineer worked on on military contracts so engineer. So. Now, quite building weapons, but you know doing research that may or may not have. Led, to an weapons development. You know we all have to to take some time to look at how we fit into the systems that we live in. And I can't erase my privilege that I have and I'm still working for corporations and As. As many of us are. So we can't completely perjure cells. Ivan. But what we can do is to actively work to create a better world and a constructive and productive way and to me that's what activism is about and so fighting Nazis is one. Face of a multisided die. On Combating Hatred and bigotry in the world. When you? I've spoken to quite a lot of activists and Feel like most activists have this thing in common where. Their answer to why they're doing it is always, but how how could I not the assistant obvious thing to do. Get, not everyone's an activist. Can you look back at? What. What made you decide to do that? Instead of living comfortably because one thing is knowing because I owe everything said is obviously correct. One thing is knowing that another thing is knowing it and then going L. Okay I'm gonNA. Put. Myself in danger. To. You know do the right thing. So what what makes you that when most people don't? I am. With somebody that was brought up to to stand up to bullies my grandmother taught me how to punch. my dad saved the suspension slip that I got in sixth grade when I got in a fight and beat up my bully on the buffs. So, there's a sense of standing up for yourself. That was. You know sort of built into who I was. And, I've always envisioned myself as somebody who would stand up for what is right? But my politics didn't match my intentions for a long time and it took a long time for me to understand what is right. What is wrong? So I knew that I had this. Center doing something. But I didn't know what? It was because they didn't know how to Orient Myself World and I think that I'm trans and in when I transitioned, it really took a lot of the wallpaper off the walls and. I started seeing the House for what is. and yet it's very self centered, very selfish way of going about it but that was a big factor in. How I came about that. These realizations and so then it made sense to me it's like Oh. Okay. Now I have something that I can really latch onto even it wasn't just that I was experiencing oppression. that. I was starting to have peers as I was meeting transpeople in being part of this community. I. Was starting to see how the systems that were working for. Me were also working against them. At here I'm thinking like Oh. Yeah. I mean. For me, it was easy. It was difficult for me to find the gender therapist. For example, I had to drive an hour and a half each way. Once every two weeks to find a therapist that could could get me what I needed and support me and that was a law. You know that's that's really. Shitty situation? But I was also working a job where I could do that. And I had insurance more could pay for that. And not everyone can take off every other Wednesday or half of every other Wednesday. To go pay to go for therapist where you know I was paying a ten dollar co pay for a two hundred dollar one, hundred and fifty dollar whatever procession feet. In, so when I see that like how easy at the time I had despite those difficulties compared to some of my friends who couldn't find a therapist who's therapist wouldn't write them the letters that they needed to get the medication that they needed. Who didn't have insurance. had. To. Pay Out of pocket who. Had to drive more than ninety minutes each way or who couldn't get the time off or I started seeing that like, Oh man this sucks like if sucked for me. This really sucks for them. We should change that. Right, and then once I could like really understand the problem from top to bottom. That's when I was like Oh. This is how this works. And I think that maybe some people don't have that realization of Lake it's obvious. How could you not do something about it? Probably because they just don't understand that problem those those systems from top to bottom. And it's really hard and you have to be really willing to tear the. Band aid off and expose yourself to things that will make you uncomfortable. Do you think that they don't understand that system because they haven't. Had that experience. of like you said, when you transitioned and I, recognize that a tiny bit in that. When I was twenty one I became aware of fat phobia up until that point I just sort of hated myself and then I gained social points by living up to that by making self deprecating joke. So. Concentrating on a diet to prove that was a good fatty and you know it wasn't until I realized what was actually happening what had happened to me my inside I. Like almost as you said, it opened up all these other like Oh. This is how the world works. So he can people. Reach that point without having had that experience themselves I think they can certainly the world requires it of us. But it is harder. And I hope that they can because you know trans people are optimistically one percent of the population and that's a fact that will never change right We don't know what causes people to be trans. What we do know is we can look at cultures all throughout the world you have varying different relationships with gender and sexuality. And consistently. About. Half a percent to two percent of people are Trans America. If transpeople are going to have rights. We can't just wait for all Trans folks to come to these realizations. Right 'cause we will never be in the majority under any. Right I mean if trends people become the majority in the world, some awful calamity has befallen the world. and. So I do hope that people who do not experience firsthand. Can Open themselves up and yes, it's helpful if you have friends and you see the struggle or family and you see the struggle, those things are important. But I think that we have to Orient Excels around an intention a goal. And if your goal is equal rights for all. Then, it's very easy to look at out a wide spectrum of opinions than how to get there in what their looks like. And if people do this as a part of their. Normal. Everyday self-improvement. that I think that we can get there. I don't I I will never be black, for example. I don't understand what it is like to be black definitely. Don't understand what it is like to be black in. America. Despite the fact that I own a house in what used to be a black neighborhood in America. Because I can never experienced world from there is. I've been called to slurs. I have a DM sitting in my twitter inbox right now, where somebody uses the n word for me I am not a dark skinned person. Despite that I can't experience that world. Doesn't The world doesn't require me to I can look around and see at the injustice that is happening I can do the readings they can read the news. I can listen to to. Black folks I can listen to differing opinions from black folks and I can form my own opinions and start to see how that connects with other things that I see in the world. And so I, do think that like you don't need to experience it firsthand you don't even need to have people in your life who experienced firsthand You just have to be willing to understand that the world is not perfect. It is our responsibility as people to make it more perfect as individuals. To make it more perfect and that we should do something about that. Now rather than later. So when did you start tracking Nazis? Who was the first one? Sorry can Sagan who was the fest Nazi attract and how did that come about? Oh know I don't know who the first attract on. Track a lot of the Nazis who Who I knew. That I exposed would be. Yeah. I don't even know who the first one once now wouldn't even know I wouldn't even know who it was if you set the name but what what? What happened in the what made you do it? Because it's such a, it's such A. Great idea that just hadn't thought about that. There was someone out there who should do this? You know I think. A lot of things that led to it, but what really struck me about What happened Charlottesville was? The Nazis all came in. They did an incredible amount of violence. committed. An Act of terrorism and somebody died. And most of them. Just went home and nothing happened. There was no justice. There is nothing there is no accountability during the event, the police stood there and did nothing. And so. I. Think that for me identifying Nazis. was about. Recognizing that the state was never going to help us that we were on our own. And if somebody who's going to hold them accountable and they had to be held accountable. It was GONNA have to be the people. Who Better? To do than me if nobody else was GONNA do it. So I did it I started looking at the resources that were out there the leaked chat logs and the videos and Everything like that and I I started putting together identities. And with that, I was able to identify people who had done things that were wrong. Put names to faces. into. Actions. and. I think that's important work because what we realized in the process of this is that that's not people you know some of them are maybe amber for the most part. They are not people who live in some compound you know in the south somewhere and. Shave their heads in, and you know stop around in Doc Martins in and throw you know Hitler salutes or anything Nazis were normal people with everyday jobs. They weren't all poor as a? Common trope white supremacists goes many of them were upper middle class wealthy. Good. Education. College educated. and to me that was like. Okay this needs to be part of the discourse. Because we need to to show that it's not about poverty it's not about you know economic anxiety or whatever it's not about. Region. It's not about anything else. It's about. A pure. UNFILTERED hate. And that hate permeates our society that hate is teaching in our schools that hate is serving in our military in our police departments. That hate is the shopkeeper. Who runs the store that you like to go to? It's the guy that's pushing papers at the DMV or at the local bank. Everywhere. and. That makes it. I think when you realize that it's everywhere it makes it a lot harder for you to compartmentalize away from those things makes it harder for you to believe that white supremacy is over their problem And it really brings it home. And I think that's been important work that I'm proud to be doing. I'm not the only person. Doing it a lot of people are are doing the store can sell. I think. It's most important work. I've ever done in my life. So what happens when they're outfits today? Is that. So you put out the information out there than what happens to do. Where they all secret that season the? Families in. And stuff have no interest. In in many cases. Families new found out jobs newt employers found out. Let's people were fired. At some of them. Some of the people I exposed. have been arrested some of them were thrown out of the military. I exposed one dude a week before his wedding, his dad called me. Fairly upset after that. do they didn't make your head in Nazi? Don't blame me. Some of them have apologized. Some of them have recanted. Some of them have admitted to. Being in the wrong and that's good. We want those people to delete these movements. So varies, but I think what you do is you boil down the people who are who want to be in this movement safely. which has two effects. One positive in one negative. The positive effect has at drinks, movement. Reduces their numbers and makes it much harder for them to recruit in grow. The downside is that the people who stay the diehards hards? They're much harder to get out there much more likely to be violent. Therefore, the average violence in the group tends to go upwards. So, this strategy needs to be met with other competing strategies. You can't just say, okay we're going to expel the Nazis in it's fine. There's other strategies to stopping Nazis that needs to be done in conjunction with this and so this is one part of a multifaceted fact. I think that that's that's really. GonNa make like a comparison that Mike not it might be might be absent Shit but. So we're talking about sort of the the realization that you had after transitioned, which was that Oh shit. Now, I can feel this on my own body that the world is against. What it feels like when someone is discriminated against Is there a comparison to make about what these Nazis who? Felt safe, and then they realized that there were consequences and then they realized they were wrong. Is there something in that of having rice opened and realizing? You know what I'm trying to get at. It might be you know what I mean I think it's a little bit different I mean in some cases yes. There are people who Came to this realization have done a lot of important in very good work in beating back eight in their lives and and there are processes for de radicalizing. But I think it's a little bit of a different thing, right? I'm not going to be part of this movement because I don't want to get caught is a different. Type of realization man. I need to be part of this liberation movement because I know attuned to injustices that are in the world. was, a two different things of course I was I was hoping that went the consequences. Maybe, that's too optimistic. I was hoping that when they had consequences that made them realize that they had been wrong and they didn't want to be part of the group because they wanted to do good but. That's probably why I don't have a lot of evidence of that. I don't know why I was suddenly being super optimistic about that. Were you and. I found this on your website where you put trade in American. Horror Story. What Scott? How did that? I've only seen the hadn't seen this season but what have you how last episode I think of American Horror Story cult? Ripped off one of my life streams I mean they like reproduced it. In the style of the show and they turned me into a black woman. Which I'm. Honored by because I think that Lacrima Nar some of the most important contributors to society. But yeah, I had a livestream going on the night of August eleventh when the Tiki torch rally was happening, there's very dramatic moment during that livestream when I was kind of crying into the camera. And like literally reproduce that and I mean they they used my exact words at one point. And so that and they didn't tell me about it. They didn't reach out. And get paid for it. So, but that's my claim to fame. So strangely found out because you were randomly watching not horror story and then. No I didn't find out. This is actually a horrifying story because I don't watch. American. Horror Story. My wife does. and. My wife was watching my livestream that night. So she was sitting at home watching me out there get surrounded by torch-bearing Nazis and then get beaten. and. So she's watching in horror as my feed goes dead in like the end of the livestream is a very dramatic ending. and. So this is like a few months later she's just trying to relax unwind and plowed through like at at that point is like the most recent season of of a jess. And so she's like watching it and she looked comes out of her room and she's like. Gasoline in the face and she's like so they took they put the turns you into a character. Like she was livid. especially. Finding out about this. She's like that's my wife like what the fuck. So. Strange. What's Okay I'm GONNA half a million questions ask you. Tell him about festival no vegetable vigil, right the Children S in vigilante. That stems from as in a watch as in Elvis Yes. I'm going to do the second language Tell. About Festival. So, first vigil, a project that started in October twenty eighteen. In October of two, thousand eighteen was a very dramatic month for a lot of reasons. In. A number of incidents pertaining to white supremacy. there was the. Cowboys. which is sort of a far-right, not quite white supremacist but not not point to premises. Gang in the US. And they were involved in some leg riot street violence in Manhattan where they were on video beating the shit out of the protester. and. So they got all. The people in New York track, Nazis, they are. Like immediately doc stall of them and then they like face charges. Now, two of them are still in jail or in prison rather. So that happened and then a in Kentucky happened. More white man shot to black people in a in a supermarket. And then they Caesar Cya incident happened where a trump supporter was mailing pipebombs to journalists newsrooms in Congress people all over the US. and. Then the worst happened, which was the Pittsburgh tree of life incident where. A man, Neo Nazi. A well known neo-nazi walked into a synagogue and killed eleven people. during services. And so. All of these things happened at the same time or within within the span of about two weeks. There is also another piece of news happened at that same time. And that was a neo Nazi was sentenced for a terror attack. And this win under the flew under the radar. It it didn't get a lot of. Attention because it wasn't successful terror attack, he tried to derail a train and fail. But in the documents it revealed the that he was in Charlottesville. And I'd seen the story months before and I kind of forgot about it. But when all this is going on, let me you know there's some details in here and they had like this really shitty mugshot. And I'm like you know. There's probably enough details in here for me to find him. So. Let me see what I can do. So I go in and I start looking through my archive of materials. And I find him almost right away. And my jaw hits the floor. I mean this was one of those things where like if you were talking to me, we've I was like if we are in conversation I discovered this I would have stopped silent. So abruptly that you might have thought that I had an aneurysm. Because when I found him, he was marching in formation with James Fields James. Fields was the man who drove his car into the crowd and Charlottesville. So here is a guy. Who was convicted and sentenced for a terror attack. Marching in formation with another guy who at the time was still on trial for a terror attack. And so now you start saying like Oh these you know Oh this is a lone wolf attack. I'm sorry but you know what you call to wills next to each other a pack. And at that moment, I realized that we needed better tools to keep track of all of this. So I. Built One. and. That's where it started and as I started going through this and an expanding my scope and my horizons I started learning and reading. All about these things discovering so much. And Realizing that there's a wealth. Of Information. Sitting in plain sight. And their stories to be told, there's movements that can be created from it. There's a million things just sitting there waiting for us to discover if only we know how to look. And, listen and read. superficial. Was a project about that. So started that and still maintaining it and it's hard to keep up especially with the George flight protest because there have been so many instances of hate crimes violence. But there's been so much has come out of it out of that project that I think some of the important work to do. If. I could if I could get paid to do it, I would get paid to do it. May saying. This is going to be a weird question but is it's just because I saw that you sometimes tweeted with Robert. Evans. who sows the behind the suspect passed A network of like not see new Nazi hunters maybe that's a bit too dramatic. Risk. Yeah, there is sharing inflammation. I mean. It's not nearly as formal as you think I mean there's a bunch of journalists and a bunch of researchers. And the community is very small. So we all know each other. And from time to time share information resources there's no formal network of of anything like that. In most of us do our own thing. But I think that the more important in the more valuable thing is that we're all there to support each other. Because this is some really dark work. And this is the type of stuff that really beats you down and you have to be able to step away. You have to be able to find the mental health support. You have to have the pass on the torch to somebody else. and. It's just so important to be to do those things that I. Think that the network exists less to track Nazis and mortgages support each other keep each other on the right track. and. I'm proud that. I get to be a small part of it in whatever way that it gets to be a part of it. That's what I was thinking the few times I've been under. Huge attacks by. trolls net by Milo Yannopoulos. No. Those pricks. It really helped to read. So a Quinn's book crash override about their experiences with trolling even though the story is horrible as well. The something knowing that the people that going through that. Horrible thing, right. There is there is it some? I think it is Affirming invalidating. To know that you're not alone to know that it is difficult in the things you're experiencing our real invalid in that it is a struggle. As with anything else I mean without a support network or nothing right we're only as good as the people who who lift US up who protect us when we vulnerable. So, I think that to me is the most important part of this work. You know anti-fascism in anarchism are two closely related philosophies. and Inner Cosmas, all about mutual aid and what is more In the spirit of mutual mutual aid than uplifting the people who protect you. and. Protecting them when when your time comes when that's what it's all about. So are you. I you. I wanted to ask was scared but I think I'd rather ask you how. Your relationship with fear because you seem and you come across as feel less. And that also seems. Seems Unreal 'cause no one's fearless. But what's your relationship with? Fear. I think to me it's not that there's no fear is the fear is secondary to the purpose. There's nothing wrong with fear. There's nothing wrong with being afraid. This is the thing that is very scary. Very scary when federal troops are out there shooting protesters. Nothing about that is safe nothing about that is okay. You should be afraid of that. If you're not afraid of it, you're probably on the bad guys side. But to me that takes vaccine to purpose when my purpose is clear. Fear cannot dissuade me or determine your distract me. I think that there is. A. Confidence in when you know that you're doing the right thing. No matter what happens it's. Happened because you were doing the right thing. And if I died in that attack or if I was beaten in that by that mob even warm so. If the federal government tries to crack down on me for some bullshit or whatever. I would much rather that happen knowing. That, I was doing the right thing. For me that is. Above all else the most important thing. I can protect myself I can. You know I'm resourceful crafty. That doesn't mean that you know my time won't come. But. I'm just not like. It's not that I'm not afraid. It's just sat. I'm doing what what I was you know meant to do. So. What do we need to do? What? What do? What can we do the the most sort of? WELL SO I. I spoke to. Video Malinga I don't know if you know. She. She would go to white supremacist rallies in Sweden and try and talk to them and try and figure out how to get them out of the of their Nazi community in. She's created A. System, where they send out ads on white supremacists, pages that encourage him to get help and get out of them as incredible. And speaking have realized that my whole sort of. A public approach, which is very much fuck the notch affect the Nazis. Could sometimes be damaging in that that would only make some of the ones could be saved. That would only make them feel more what's hacked and then that would make it worse. I mean both things can be true at the same time. Right? Can it's different for everybody There's a degree and empathy at has to be had for all people but ultimately, the Nazis have to want to leave the movement as with anything else. The first step starts with you. and De. Radicalization programs are not entirely different from. Say Substance Abuse Rehab Programs. I think that you know making the social cost. For entering Nazism very high is necessary is as necessary as being compassionate to the Nazis who leads a movement. I consider several people, friends who were Nazis who left the movement and are doing the work. To put that behind them now, and this includes people who were in Charlottesville. I'm so it is necessary to do that. But the thing is that we have to understand scales and de radicalization is something that takes a lot of people for one person. It takes a ton of people to support one person leaving a movement. In, it's hard to scale. And so needs to be targeted. There are some very successful organisations at this, but their success cases number in the hundreds over the past couple of years the problem that we're seeing in how to ten thousands. In. So when we are looking at a time when we have a deeply polarized society. When the government is. Operating with impunity and Enabling White Supremacists to attack people, it is equally or more important to. Stem that. Flow of Hatri. Than it is to rescue people. Coming out of those movements The situation is frankly dire. To commit Oliver Resources to that. Moreover. Sometimes see needs. To, have the catalyst for leaving the movement is that punched in the face? I know of a couple of cases were Nazis. Got Clock in the face and decided. You know what? This isn't the Movement for me. And? That works too. So you're saying do punch Nazis. You know. The federal government listens to a lot of what I say I do not punch. Take a stance, one way or the other whether one should cancel punching. Nazi. Saying. Anything. But I will say. that. Sometimes violence can be an effective deterrent. For further violence. And punching somebody in the face. Is. Much safer in much more reasonable than say driving a car into them. And if it were coming down to me and my choices. And? My choices were sent somebody to prison for forty years. Kill Them. Or clock in real good in the face I'm gonNA clock real good in the face. That's said. It's all situational and I've never punched to Nazi in the face. I have I. Did say at the beginning of podcasts that I am a hockey player. and. I'll say that on the rink or on the ice. Punching sometimes a really good way to solve problems. Usually, you give your system, you shake hands and you're good. And you were taught all despite your grandmother. Sorry and you were taught to all of this your grandma's authors sought to punch by my grandmother who taught me to to punch in the face. Right she used to tell me punch him right in the nose. And you know let's not get. Punching Nazi in the face confused with. al-Qaeda. Driving a vehicle born into a school. All right like. Putting. Not Seeing the face not the same level of political violence as you know. A truck bomb right or or a drone strike. Let's just be clear punching announcing the faces in is an interpersonal of solving problems. At, a very small scale. And so. AM. I. I'm not going to I'm not going to condone it. I'm not going to condemn it. Like you were saying. Shoot, the Nazis it'd be like you know, don't actually go shoot the Nazis it's not worth it. You don't want to be a murderer not good for the movement. Come Mike. Dumping Glass of water and somebody it's hilarious during a milkshake at somebody Larry. S. We should be so lucky if our problems in society can be solved by some airborne dairy products. I usually have to choose between things that the guest set and then choose the title that and about four hundred Goodwin's from everything sat. I and I wanna I wanna hit everything have to save forever so. but we don't have forever because you have a life and I should also be having one so. Where can people thank you so much for doing this by the way, this has been one of the things set up because I have been useless about thank you for doing it, and where can people you and your staff and how can we support you and? I am. At Emily Sanski on twitter as easiest way to find my normal day to day bullshit. and. But my projects are first vigil I DASH VIGIL DOT COM I also have two other sites that are a little bit different in nature. I'm what is called win they came down all one word when they came down dot. com. It's tracking some of the statues that have been toppled by protesters in other means. In response to the George Floyd protests and other events in how hate sleeps dot com, which is a look into Neo Nazi living spaces have some of the Neo Nazis that have been arrested and tried with crimes and convicted. Many of their court documents include photographs of their living spaces. And I think it's a little bit of an interesting peak into. He. Array. Of? Ways. In which of these I'm very violent people. Go about their daily lives. So I. Do hope that you look those sites up at some point. And otherwise follow me on twitter. And I'm sorry for my constant incessant babbling. You have nothing to apologize for this has been amazing. Thank you so so so much for doing this. Thank you for having me and I really appreciate you making the time to have. Of course, always anytime, Oh okay. I hope you enjoyed that 'cause I should it? A few things I need to say festival? You're right. I did not ask. The baby question, and that is because well first of all, we didn't have. On the time in the world, which is absolutely fabulous I'd already been. In messing her about for a while. So she only had an hour and I was like that's absolutely fine I totally get it but also I, it didn't feel. It didn't feel relevant in a way because we hadn't really talked about. Like childhood on her past. We talked a lot about systems. and. Nazi so it didn't really feel like A. Suitable question. Basically, and for the same reason, the time reason and also for that reason. I didn't do the extra bit without. So you're not going to get that on Saturday. What else was going to say, Oh yes. One I love and what really just. I don't know just read it. Made me happy was when she? When I mentioned, what Video Malinga had said in her episode where she was also. Working with against Nazis. And how they these two people had these complete opposite. Not opposite opinions. They would probably both agree with each other to some extent to different views on this entire Nazi problem and I just love the both. I love complexity and nuance and all those things and the fact that we can have. To nazi-hunter guests saying these things and I'm just really excited about it. It's a dream come true. 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Lessons From Charlottesville; What SNAP Expansion Means For Families
"From npr and wbz. You are. i'm peter dowd. I'm callum borders. it's here and now in fulton dale and today people are cleaning up after a devastating tornado. The tornado struck the birmingham suburb less night. Killing at least one person and injuring many more fulton neil resident. Tim herring lost his home he told. Wbrc tv took off out the bathroom. Milwaukee trying to find the cats. I said forget the cats getting a tub and The shower curtain luckily fail right over. The top of i could feel lord following it. Hit me sheet. Rock and the whole house was rocking shaking and it was clear. Andrew yeager of member station w. h. m. joins us now from birmingham android. Give us a sense of the damage from the storm. Well devastation is the word to describe it. you have some neighborhoods. Were homes have been leveled trees and power lines torn up and thrown about the trees that are still standing or mostly shorn of their branches. There was a hotel was hit. And part of the roof and walls were blown off and you could peer into part of the hotel like a doll house and officials say that the local high school in fulton dale suffered damage and well assessments are still underway when county officials says. It doesn't look good you know. Tornadoes are not entirely uncommon in january in alabama. But this one does seem to have been particularly powerful. What we know about that. Yeah you're exactly right. Twenty two can happen and and do happen year round even powerful ones Cruising the national weather service. Say that they'll be out to look at the damage to figure out just exactly how strong this tornado was. I'm not a meteorologist. But from what we're seeing it does seem like the this is not just a minor low level storm and how much of a warning i if any did residents get to try to protect themselves. Meteorologists had said to expect storms and possible severe weather and later on the day on monday. They bumped up their forecast to say that there were better. Chances for tornadoes. Tornado watch was issued. So it wasn't like there was no warning But with all that said people who rode out the storm do say it seemed to come suddenly and tornadoes at night are somewhat difficult to deal with because many people are sleeping and they may not be on alert and not everyone might have a weather radio by the beds so a tornado might be surprising and as we said at least one person is dead understand. Someone was sheltering in the basement of a house that collapsed. What do we know about the people who were also injured. Well the latest numbers that we got this morning from local authorities are that thirty people were injured Eighteen of them were taken to the hospital. They are still performed search and rescue operations. One of the focuses. Is that hotel just to make sure that everyone accounted for and no one's left in a room And just one note on that one fatality officials here say that was a fourteen year old boy and yes. He was sheltered in place in a basement and he was doing exactly what he was supposed to do. but still tornadoes can bring tragic results. Yeah and so now andrew other folks who've been displaced going to need in places to shelter. They're going to need assistance. And then you throw that against the backdrop of the pandemic is that complicating the effort to aid people who've lost their homes now. Yeah i mean. It's a little unclear at this point how much the pandemic complicates things as man that depends on how many people need shelter and such but emergency responders are familiar with tornadoes. And and we've actually had this conversation already. about the pandemic and natural disasters around hurricane season Which of course involves a lot more people. Evacuations shelters and officials that. I talked to back during hurricane season. Were somewhat low key. Basically tell me. Emergency players deal with lots of complications and the pandemic was just another factor to consider sure although it's sort of layers one crisis on top of another. That's wb andrew yeager andrew. Thanks for bringing us the latest. Good to be with you. So we'll keep a close eye on that recovery effort in the meantime we're gonna have a couple of conversations today about who gets vaccinated when and in what order with that in mind. Let's hear from eugenia south. She's an emergency physician who treats covid nineteen patients so she was eligible right away to get vaccinated in pennsylvania where she works at first resisted. Didn't want the shot though. Eventually she changed her mind. Dr south recently wrote about her vaccine hesitancy in an editorial for nbc news and she joins us now. Dr welcome thanks so much for having me sure and you know a lot of people would be surprised to hear. That doctor was so close to refusing this vaccine. How close were you to skipping the shot. Well in late november. When i realized that i would be amongst the first to be offered the vaccine because i work in the emergency department i was absolutely not going to get it But yet on december seventeenth. I got my vaccine on the second day that it was available to people at penn medicine. Okay so we'll talk about your evolution here. First of all starting with y. What were you worried about. Yeah so. I had a few concerns. One was the speed at which the vaccine was developed. Nothing happens that quickly in medicine. So i was concerned that given the speed. Was it really safe. And one of the things i learned about was that the marinade technology that's at the core of the vaccine had been under development for decades. And i didn't know that at first another thing that i was concerned about was a potential side effect that we wouldn't know from the trials because they only followed people for a few months and one of the things i learned was able to overcome. That concern was that for vaccine. Generally the side effects occur in the first few days to weeks that long term side effects are incredibly rare. So so you laid out the medical concerns here. And i just want to point out. You're not a vaccine skeptic. As far as i can tell you. Get the flu shot. You vaccinate your kids. But there was another part of the calculation. It sounds like you were making which is part of your own personal identity and that you are a black doctor and you have a buy. Your accounts experienced racism in healthcare. How did that factor into your thinking that you didn't want to get the shot. One of the underlying questions about mistrust in healthcare and mistrust and systems generally and racism. Is that people ask themselves and i ask myself you know. Does this system always have my best interest at heart. And the answer is no and i've had countless examples of my own experiences of racism within medicine what i have seen and observed other people experiencing in patients experiencing and then sort of just at a systems level the ways that racism manifests in healthcare. The example of pain and how pain is treated and assessed in black patients. I can very vividly remember a young black man who had come into emergency department after assault and he was asked by the triage nurse. What's your level of pain and this young man who looked very calm. He said it's ten and the nurse stopped and stared deeply into his eyes and said. Are you sure you're telling me. This is the worst pain of your life. And he sort of shrunk back a little bit and she said so. Tell me again. What is your level of pain. And he said ten sort of question at this point and this is not unique to where i work. This happens all over the place. I think another example of how. I see many other black individuals and healthcare see. Racism manifests more at a systemic level is the segregation of of care. People who have private insurance are often seen in a clinic. That is physically separate from people who have medicaid or other public insurance and the privately insured patients are seeing often only by faculty whereas medicaid patients are seen by residents and supervised by faculty member and even if the quality of care were equal. We have to ask ourselves. Why do we separate patients within healthcare by insurance status which often tracks by race and so all of these experience that black people have all the time in medicine. Sort of go into informing. How how. I think about getting the vaccine. I wonder how you were judged by your fellow doctors and healthcare professionals. Because you write in your piece that you want to normalize the hesitancy to take a brand new vaccine saying that shaming people is not going to help. Did you experience that. I did not experience that. I have heard that and seeing that written about the fact that there is so much hesitancy particularly amongst the black community. I very strongly that we have to say it's okay to be hesitant to take something new. That's actually normal. And so. I hope by in normalizing that we can then open spaces for conversation to allow people to get their questions. Answered in non judgmental ways that will quip them to have the information. They need to make an informed decision for themselves. So what role do you think doctors like. You have in making sure that people trust the vaccine. What i found after. I got my vaccine next shift that i had in the emergency department. I tried to talk to as many black colleagues. In the as i could about my decision and most of those people were either environmental services or transport or unit clerks or registration. And i time and time again mostly heard. I'm not sure. I think. I want to wait so i was able to talk with them. Share my own hesitation about getting the vaccine share the reasons why i decided to get it and answer their questions and what i found was for many of them. That was the first time they had the opportunity to talk to a physician period. Let alone a black physician about their questions and some people actually change their minds and made a decision that they would get the vaccine. So it's absolutely important to empower black physicians but also more. Broadly trusted messengers who can provide people with information and answer questions. How are you feeling that you've gotten vexing needed or you happy. You did it absolutely. I've already gotten my second shot and the shift that i worked in the emergency department after i got that shot was the first time in ten months that i went to work without fear without wondering if this was the time i'm going to get covid is the time i'm gonna bring cove at home to my family so it was actually pretty liberating to to be able to go to work and feel safe. Dr eugene south assistant professor of emergency medicine at the university of pennsylvania. dr south. Thank you for your time. And we're going to link people up to your editorial. Nbc news at here. Now dot org thank you very much. Thanks much a very fine people on both sides. That's what then president. Donald trump win a group of protesters including white nationalists marched in charlottesville virginia. In two thousand seventeen and clashed with counter protesters. The event was a brazen display of racism and antisemitism and claimed the life of a young woman named heather. Higher joe biden launched his presidential campaign a year and a half later. The first two words of his announcement were charlottesville virginia. The ugliness of the so-called unite the right rally and trump's response helped inspire biden's bid for the presidency yet is biden called for unity in his inaugural address. Last week many in charlottesville at were still healing from what they call the summer of hate and some are wondering how is unity approved and why biden never visited the city that sparked his campaign. We were going to check in with faith leaders in charlottesville beginning with the reverend fill woodson. He's the associate pastor at first methodist church in charlottesville. He was one of the counter protesters that day. In two thousand seventeen reverend. Thanks for joining us of course revenue. Would you go back with us to that rally you. You saw the anger and hate firsthand. What of the past three and a half years been like for you. How have you managed to heal. If you've managed to heal. Well i i want to say that. Charlottesville is much more than the events of that specific summer and there's a very clear theme amongst members of the charlottesville community that we want to be more than that summer but in many ways we are still a town. That's still traumatized and still struggling in many ways. Not only to address these overt attacks by white nationalists but also dealing with systemic supremacy. That permeates through you know our educational system our housing systems healthcare policing and so we like many around. The country are trying to navigate through this time and do so in a way that brings forth justice and equity. And i think that will lead to unity with the systemic nature of the problem in mind reverend. I wonder how you processing the more recent event that we saw just a few weeks. Go in our nation's capital because some of the same white supremacist iconography. An ideology was on full display. That day and so anyone who who thought that we had moved past. The events of charlottesville was in for a rude awakening. Do do you connect those two events. President biden's election has elevated both our common faith tradition and the traumatic events. that occurred in charlottesville. And i highlight those two. Because it is both my faith. And the lived experience that i've had in this community that have shaped my understanding is of justice and righteousness what it means to develop and maintain a community in a sense of unity and common purpose. And so the connection between what we saw on january six and what the charlottesville community saw is just this bright old evil of white supremacy on full display. It must be painful though reverend for you to see such hateful acts carried out in some cases in the of christianity in the name of your faith tradition. How how do you handle that. Oh absolutely but the pain that i feel is limited in in many regards because my hope and my joy comes from someplace else that is not of this world but over the past few years. Five years actually is a local pastor here in charlottesville with the united methodist church. The real pain is what i've been able to see and bear witness to. And that is the many ways that the black and brown and indigenous people of this area have been repeatedly harmed by white supremacy one of the things. I'm wondering the reverend is the you pointed out in a new york times article on this same subject that president biden although he says that he drew inspiration from the events in charlottesville to launch his white house campaign. He actually hasn't visited your city since that day. Is that a big missing piece of his plan. His effort to to unite the country. Yes and now. Charlottesville is not unlike other cities that need to be visited that need the care of the attention of leadership who have promised to help and support them. You know we to like many cities and communities across the country. We're struggling to provide adequate and equitable access to technology and education. We're working to provide food and shelter for une housed people and so if president biden and members of his administration wants to come to charlottesville. I hope that they and i hope that they do. I hope that they come to listen and to learn from the people who have been doing the hard jerry work of loving each other in this community. That's that's what i hope happens. That charlottesville does not want to be a political backdrop or jumping off point where people just like everyone else across the country. Who's struggling with these issues and trying to work through these hard things together. That's the reverend. Fill woodson associate pastor at first united methodist church in charlottesville virginia. Reverend thank you so much for your time. Of course thank you. We want to turn now to another faith liter in charlottesville back in two thousand seventeen on that day of the unite. The right rally. Diane hillman was vice. President of congregation. Beth israel the only synagogue in charlottesville torres had been moved to another house for their safety and an armed guard. Had been hired outside the synagogue. In broad daylight there was a sea of nazi imagery. White supremacists marched and chanted today. Diana hillman president of congregation beth israel and she joins us now. Diane welcome the morning. Did you ever think that you would see in america the kind of naked antisemitism that you witnessed that day never in my life that i expect to ever experienced something like this. Have you and the jewish community in charlottesville healed since that day since it was such a shocking and traumatic event. I think we have changed. I don't know that we have completely healed. I don't know that this is a wound that we'll ever completely he'll There too many events in our history going back fifty one hundred years that many of us have either experienced personally or through our parents and relatives so this is just a continuation of started. John's ago and right up until recently it was only in two thousand eighteen of course that we saw the tree of life shooting in pittsburgh where eleven were dead and six wounded. So do you feel safe in america. Today is a jewish woman. I don't feel as safe as i did before. Two thousand seventeen. I always felt that. I was invisible that i was in a bubble Look like a white person and hid behind that bubble but depending on where you live. People know that you're jewish. Based on the way you speak in the way you look and I had never felt frightened by that before and now i'm much more aware that in a negative way i was before i wonder too how you're feeling as we're in this moment with a new administration. We just heard president biden in his inaugural address last week. Call for lowering the temperature in this country. And yet he said that on the site of the insurrection at the capitol that happened just two weeks earlier and insurrection where we saw many participants holding anti semitic so is the kind of unity that the president is calling for even possible. When we've just seen this display of white nationalism and antisemitism i think it is possible for a larger segment of the population that had never seen or experienced anything like that before. And i think there's the possibility for learning among the people who never truly understood those challenges. And i think what we're going to see is a different kind of divide where people who just stuck with slogans but really didn't understand them may start to understand them and to realize how dangerous they are. I think there's a segment of the population that fully understands what those slogans mean and they believed them and i am hopeful that those who will begin to understand will take up a larger proportion of our population. So do you have any advice. Then diane for president biden. Who's facing a country that is so divided over really basic things like truth and lies and we can learn from you and the jewish community in charlottesville about healing from trauma. I do. I think that people need to be a little bit kinder and gentler towards those they disagree with and to not pose it as a faceoff instead engaging learning together not back people into corners. Because that's what we do now We make people defensive about what may or may not be their deep beliefs and we force them to make those beliefs even deeper than they might have been and if we could back away a little bit and begin to educate in a way that's non-threatening we might make more progress than constant abrasive fighting. That's diane hillman. She is the president of tradition beth. Israel in charlottesville. virginia diane. Thank you so much. Thank you support for here. Now and the following message come from zuhdi. Why spent months coating when you can build powerful customized applications in days zuhdi offers an affordable solution to build apps for your business apps that integrate into all your current systems data sources and you're zuhdi subscription always includes unlimited apps and unlimited users learn more at zuhdi dot com. We are still in the middle of this pandemic in right now. Having science news you can trust from variance. Vaccines is essential. Npr shortwave has your back about ten minutes every weekday. Listen and subscribe to shortwave the daily science podcast from npr. Some young women from dallas are among the first in the country to earn the highest rank in scouting. They're about to make eagle scout becca more from member station k. e. r. a. Has their story on a chilly morning. At the trinity river audubon center in south dallas a group of young women scouts from troop eight ninety you shovels and pickaxes to chip away at the hard dirt. They're digging holes for new display cases. That'll hold information about the local plants and animals. Visitors can find. Along the audubon centers primitive trails. The display is designed and hand crafted by seventeen year old emma dunkin it's the last requirement she needs to complete to earn the rank of eagle scout. I wanted to do something. Where could work outdoors work with my hands. And i had no idea where to start. So duncan reached out to the audubon center. jake points. That's the program manager there and he's been working with duncan on her project. Since mid summer we had a initial meet and greet in the beginning She said well her idea is going to be like and all we did was say you know a couple of suggestions you know so we will throughout this area. What if it looked like this was this size and she ran with it and everything yourself with family friends and fellow scouts around. Her duncan put the display cases in the ground and cemented them in place officially completing her eagle scout requirements. This has been most of my life that few months. And i'm very excited to be done with it as fun as it was then pulls off the clear plastic coating to reveal her product. Duncan is now one step closer to becoming an eagle scout. The most prestigious rank in boy scouts and she wasn't even allowed to join until february of twenty nineteen. That's when the scouts. Bsa started letting young women in says she knew right away she wanted to join and become an eagle scout near my dad were backpacking and on the way out he said. Hey you know. It's looking like girls in boy. Scouts is going to be thing. Is that something you might be interested in. I said well absolutely we started thinking about. What would it look like to go about. Getting eagle time limits in. Is that something interested in Totally was dunkin was already sixteen when she was able to join scouts so she only had two years to finish all the eagle scout requirements. That's also the minimum amount of time it takes to earn the rank and doing so in such a short time is no small feat. Scouts are not only expected to live by their oath. There's also a lot of hard work involved. You need a twenty one. Merit badges is any need to have served in a leadership position for six months. So then Yet you complete your eagle project and you fill out the application you get a bunch of recommendation letters and then you have to sit for sort of a conference with some of the leaders in the troop that board reviews each scouts application and decides whether they're ready to receive the eagle scout rank and pin checking off those boxes so quickly makes duncan and a few other girls in her troop some of the first in the country who earn that rank. Seventeen year old scout caroline. Rich is one of them very honored to have this opportunity. Because i never thought. I would when i was little. I didn't think this is something. I'd be doing especially not in the earliest group of girls. Duncan says she's also proud to be among the first group of women to earn the eagle scout rink. But it's not just about the tidal. Before i did a lot of campaign with my dad and that was a lot of fine but getting to hang out with a group of girls that actually friends with enjoy being around. It's been super valuable for dunkin andrew. Rich it's a waiting game now. They'll officially earned their eagle scout rank and pin at a special ceremony next month. In the meantime they're focused on helping other members of the troupe. Make it to the finish line as well for here and now i'm back with more in. Dallas vaccine distribution has been haphazard in many parts of the country. Each state has different rules about who can get a shot and win in pennsylvania hospital administrators and researchers are getting vaccinated before some frontline workers. In fact even some people working from home who have no contact with patients are finding themselves ahead in the line. Sarah bowdoin of member station w. Esl in pittsburgh has been reporting on this sarah. Welcome hey peter. Thanks for having me sure. And what exactly is happening with vaccinations at the university of pittsburgh medical center. Yeah so some of the people. My reporters and i spoke with that. They didn't really have a particularly pressing need for vaccine compared to others and more high risk jobs or people with certain health conditions. And you know some of the folks that we've spoken to as we mentioned they've been working from home since the start of the pandemic and they have jobs and departments like insurance services and communication and fundraising and more than one person. Told me that they actually wish that they could have given up their vaccinations to their parents Instead of them But he also told me about. They felt weird about accepting the vaccine but we decided to do so because it was in the best of their personal health su so people who are not working directly with patients are getting the what about the other way around. Who's not getting vaccine. That should yeah. Yeah so people who have should probably be getting vaccine but who work within facilities Might include for example. An american styling interpreter. My colleague kylie kylie kinsky. Who i co reported. This told me that There's a gentleman who because he's a contractor who works for an agency hasn't gone vaccinated even though he works with. Up amc facilities also medical and nursing students at up emc facilities of course opposed to be vaccinated but under state guidelines because they work directly with patients have had to go elsewhere for the vaccinations and are struggling to find back scenes. Because you now availability is so finite you know well we know the federal government is really left it up to states to decide how to distribute those doses. What are the guidelines. Say about where you about. This where you are in pennsylvania yeah so pennsylvania federal guidelines are essentially the same and they are vague at best and It's up to the organizations who have received the vaccine to decide how to interpret these guidelines. Because they're the ones administering backseat And therefore up emc can make decisions like what it did with vaccinating employees who have been working from home. But what i can tell you that. Pennsylvania has said that people who are currently eligible for vaccination for those who are most risk for co for contracting covid nineteen such as healthcare workers and therefore i think very fair ascii. Pnc if it was appropriate of acclimates groups who don't work with the medical facilities and Especially when so many healthcare workers and people long term care facilities are still waiting for the vaccination so the boat in reporter with w member station w. a. in pittsburgh. Thank you very much. Thanks thanks because of the coronavirus pandemic twenty nine million adults and at least seventeen million children are facing food insecurity across the us to address this president joe biden last week signed an executive order that expands various food benefits programs to help those who have suffered the most in the economic pullback. These folks are facing eviction or waiting hours in their cars literally hours in their cars waiting to able to feed their children as drive up to a food bank. She united states of america feed their kids and the president's order is part of his one point nine trillion dollar covert relief package. Lisa davis is the senior vice president of share our strength charity. It's the organization of the no kid hungry campaign and she joins us now from maryland. Lisa welcome and thanks for speaking with us. Thanks for having me on callum so at least this this new executive order calls for change to the way we address food insecurity in the us and wanna start with snap the supplemental nutrition assistance program. Some people know it by its old name food stamps. Can you explain how this is going to change how the program is going to change and how it might impact people who qualify for food stamps. So the executive order basically increases grocery benefits for families that are struggling in the wake of the covid crisis it gives them additional dollars on a program called pandemic abt which serves kids. Who would be relying on free and reduced price lunches. If the school buildings were open and it directs. Usda to increase benefits for some of the poorest families on snap and then recognizing how inadequate snap benefits are they equal only about a dollar forty per person per meal. It also takes steps to start looking at making those benefits correspond with actual food prices. And the time that that families have to prepare food to modernize those benefits supplemental rate is really the the key word there. As you point out that it is not enough to carry you through the entire month and just fill in the detail. The president wants to increase this special pandemic eib program that you mentioned by by fifteen percent as a way of compensating for for some of the meals. That students may have lost if they were eating breakfast and lunch at school. Could you just feel more details on how important those school based meal programs are and what and what the loss of that has been during a pandemic. When so many students are learning remotely meal programs are critical. There are twenty eight million kids that receive free or reduced price school meals and when kovic started closing schools in march. I'm our school. Nutrition professionals had to stand up entirely new meal programs literally over a weekend and so at schools across the country families can still come and pick up meals for their kids to take home but there are a lot of families that don't have transportation might be living with medically vulnerable relatives in limiting their trips into the community. And so it's really important that we have this program pandemic abt which gives those families money so that they can buy groceries to provide meals to their kids at home. you know. I think there's a big focus on children here. And before the pandemic about ten point seven million kids living in homes that were struggling with hunger in the us. That new estimate is up to seventeen million and i think the ripple effect there can mean parents are skipping meals and making tough decisions to make sure that their children are fred so i wonder if you could speak to that for a moment. Lisa i mean what what is the root cause there and what can we do about it. Yeah i think it's important to realize that before covert hit. We had ending child hunger. In our sight lines. The number was the lowest it had been since nineteen ninety eight when usda started tracking it. So we know what works and you're absolutely right one of the strategies that families used to cope when they don't have enough resources for food. Is that parents skip meals so that their kids can eat. We know that kids that experience hunger are in poorer health. We know that they perform less well in school and so the consequence of not making sure that our kids are nourished is very significant so in the bigger picture then lisa. What what else would you like to see. The new administration and congress do to address hunger because it may be the direct programs like like snap and wick or perhaps you're looking to something like increasing the child tax credit which president biden would like to do and that would be just sort of money in the pocket. Perhaps the parents could as they see fit and it might be for food. Is it that kind of thing or something else. I think any programs that get dollars to struggling families have a demonstrated Impact on families food security and also helped serve to stimulate the economy. That's snap such a powerful tool. We know that families quickly spend the dollars on on food which is a basic necessity keep folks employed at local grocery stores that money get support back into the economy when we look at the health and economic devastation facing communities all across the country. I think the risk is not that we spend too much. The risk is that we don't spend enough and if we don't take action now. We really risk. Having lost generation of children. There are so many overlapping issues there. And we'll have to watch and see how much of this pandemic relief package. The president is able to pass through congress. Lisa davis is the senior vice president of share our strength charity. It's the parent organization of no kid hungry campaign lisa. Thanks so much for your time and your good work. Thanks for having. Mccallum an independent oversight board at facebook is taking on one of the most consequential decisions in the history of social media whether to allow former president trump back onto the platform facebook and twitter band trump after the january sixth insurrection at the capitol now an international group of overseers will make a decision for facebook that could have a significant impact on the future of free speech and politics. Casey newton is the editor of platformer. It's a newsletter that looks at the intersection of tech and democracy and he joins us now. Casey welcome thanks for having me. How was the process. With facebook's oversight board going to work well the case has now been referred to them and they have accepted it and so over the next ninety days they will be considering the question of whether to bring trump back as part of that trump will get to submit a statement if he likes and other interested parties can weigh in free speech. Free speech experts activists. A lot of people will have a say. There's a public comment period. And then at some point the board will make a ruling. Who's on the board. Well it's it's a very diverse international group. Facebook drew heavily from people who have law degrees There is a former prime minister of denmark. On the board experts in constitutional law and of the the five member panel. That will decide the case. Only one is actually required to be from the united states so it may be a group of international scholars and experts. That are making the primary decision here. So tell me more about the evolution of this board. I mean why would facebook. Ceo mark zuckerberg wanna give up his power to make the decision on his own. Well it turns out. It's kind of a horrible power to have. Because every single day facebook makes a decision that outrages hundreds of millions of people in for years now all of that outrage has landed on one person mark zuckerberg who has total control over facebook's board and everything that happens on it and so his idea which had been suggested to him by some legal scholars was to create an independent body that could shoulder that burden. You can almost think of it as like a monarchy trying to add a judicial system Interesting so so. What are trump's chances of getting back onto facebook. You've reported that the decision could actually just end in stalemate it could although that does seem unlikely. I think the board will probably make sure that it comes to a conclusion. Here and the experts. I've talked to are very mixed on this. Facebook has said that it is extremely confident that the board will agree with its initial decision but there are a lot of people in academia who are extremely uncomfortable with the idea of private corporation being able to take away speech rights on a platform that is used by billions of people even if that platform is owned by a private company that has allowed to make its own rules and the other thing to keep in mind is that there will be other politicians who do other awful things and this case may sort of set a precedent for them. So i think the board is going to be trying to think beyond trump even as it considers the particulars of this case. You make such a good point and that's why this is actually a very important story because either way this decision goes it's going to be a pretty significant moment in social media and actually frankly corporate history so you know what do you think what what is the example that it sets for the future politics and for corporate governance. Sure will so you know just to name one example in the philippines they have a an authoritarian leader do tae who has also incited violence against his own people and activists have called for for years to For him to be removed from the platform. Facebook has it done that. In the aftermath of the board's decision maybe facebook will feel compelled to remove duty to and then who else right so there is a chance that this could be the first domino to fall in a series of them. You know with this sort of implies to me is that these social media companies wield as much if not more power than extensively the most powerful man in the world the president of the united states. It's very true you know as a young reporter as to think business was the most boring beat you know who cares who stock was up or down and then at some point. These businesses started to be larger than than the states that we live in And as you point out more consequential so the power of the internet as seems to grow over us all the time. And i think it's why we do need to see experiments like this that are designed to return some power and accountability back to to real people. So that's facebook. What's happening over at the other. Social media platforms twitter. Of course the president as well right although somewhat hilariously they referred to it as a permanent suspension which still sounds like. Maybe they'll change their mind but let's assume that he stays band there. You know he. He is currently under suspension at youtube. One of his communities which he was not officially linked to to but which existed to celebrate him has been removed from read it so the president doesn't have a lot of friendly doesn't have a lot of safe houses on the internet right now and we'll we'll have to see if he's able to reclaim any of them in the coming months and years story casey newton editor of platformer. Thank you very much for your time. Thanks for having me here. Now is a production of npr. Wvu aren't association with the bbc world service. I'm peter o'dowd and i'm kalam borders. This is here now.
Ep. 481 - Shooting Down The Narrative
"Yesterday White Supremacist Hitler. Loving Neo Nazis wearing make America. Great again hats and toting fully semi automatic. They could double barrelled. Ar forty-seven assault rifles descended on the Virginia State House to take over the government and establish a Russian ethnos state in the fevered imagination of the mainstream media in reality law abiding gun owners of all colors and backgrounds showed up on lobby day to defend their constitutionally finally protected civil rights and there was no violence whatsoever and they cleaned up after themselves when they left. We will examine have Virginia gun owners shot down the leftist narrative have on our second amendment rights. Then Eos has be single dumbest conversation I've ever heard with leftist journalists Ta Nehisi Coates President Trump's impeachment trial kicks off and some great news for the pro-life 'cause ahead of the march for life all that and more I'm Michael Knowles and this is the Michael Null show breath so much to get to. Yesterday was a very very scary. Gary Day for the mainstream media it was not a scary day for anybody else. It was a totally normal day and there was a wonderful demonstration for some of our basic civil rights that took place in Virginia but for the mainstream media it was terrifying day presumably because their fellow Americans were demonstrating on behalf their own civil rights. There was a pro second amendment rally. Yesterday in Virginia thousands and thousands of people were there. The left told US politicians titians on the left elected. Federal politicians state politicians and the mainstream media told us that the rally was going to include white supremacists and domestic terrorists. We needed a state of emergency in Virginia. They were GONNA come to the Commonwealth of Virginia and causing violence in mayhem. Here's a quick montage. Put together by newsbusters of the terror ahead of the Second Amendment Rally right now. Thousands of gun rights rights activists white nationalist militia groups all swarming Virginia State Capitol. There are a lot of people nervous about what's going to happen enrichment around high alert. It could be a tense in stage of what may happen in Virginia. Several hate groups supposedly some white nationalists white nationalist slight nationalists white natural and slugged nationalist groups CBS white supremacists white supremacists premises white extremists. This entire rally stands in opposition to the meaning of This Day Virginia on the edge. How concerned -cerned argue that there might be some people crowd that may want to get by certainly a lot of concern here raising fears of a dangerous confrontation could be violence? And there's real concern there. About what the intention is behind this. There's a lot of concern about the potential for violence sparked violence. Tensions high in Virginia may cause violence. They're clearly trying to avoid another there. Charlottesville Insurance Agency repeat what we saw in two thousand seventeen in Charlottesville similar to what we saw in Charlottesville worrying about a repeat of Charlottesville horrible 2017 in Charlottesville disaster. You look at what happened. Charlottesville sides clashed in Charlottesville. Men Walked through the capital in Virginia carrying weapons of war. Demonstrators are in fact heavily armed heavily heavily armed heavily armed. Look at the gear. What is this all about? Militia groups militia these militia groups far right militia militia chekhov style right extremists extremists streams that is not a fraction of the hysterical coverage that we saw before this rally in Virginia that is that is not a small fraction of it. Okay and they told us it's H- tensions high alert obviously. CNN was on high alert. Obviously there were a lot of tensions engines in the newsroom's over at the New York Times and CNN. But how did the rally actually turn out. We cut back to a very disappointed. CNN look those threats which caused the governor to call for a state of emergency have simply not emerge the police very clear in saying that they have not had a single arrest rest during this rally. Those threats those threats came from you. Did it you mainstream media. You created the tension you tried to provoke a a violent incident in Charlottesville and it didn't work because the people who were demonstrating were not neo. Nazis they were not white supremacists. They were not what white extremists. That was a new term. I hadn't heard that one before you. Can you be extremely white or Scandinavian is that that makes you extremely white. They're all of these new terms to try to gin up in particular racial division racial hatred. And it just didn't happen. None of it happened. Because generally speaking second amendment advocates. They are very concerned with obeying the law. I mean they're basing their their gun rights enthusiasm on the constitution right. That's where we we get our right to keep and bear arms. CNN had an incredible headline CNN headline read Virginia Gun Rights Rally Concludes Peacefully Awfully despite earlier fears of extremist violence. That's just the headline whose fears their fears. Those those are the only people who had the fears they go on in the story a large gun rights rally in Virginia's state capital unfolded peacefully Monday despite earlier earlier fears of the kind of violence that took place in nearby Charlottesville three years ago. Now hold it there. What on Earth would link a lobby day demonstration in favor of a basic civil right to Charlottesville Charlottesville? Let's villain event that took place as they say. Three years ago completely unrelated completely different groups completely different point even the rosiest take of the Charlottesville event was that they were there or some people were there to protest the taking down of historical statues. The event took place on lobby. Day was to demonstrate support our second amendment rights have no connection whatsoever but the left is so desperate to racial hatred that they have to draw a a comparison between completely unrelated events. Say go it'll could be like Charlottesville. Three years ago security was tight as gun. Rights advocates descended on Richmond for lobby day to oppose legislation that would restrict access to firearms in the state. The Commonwealth braced for the potential of extremist and white nationalist groups groups to disrupt the peaceful demonstrations. Ralph Northam declared a state of emergency last week to ban open and concealed firearms and other weapons from the State Capitol Apple Grounds. The crowd however was peaceful with no immediate reports of arrests or violence surprise surprise. The whole demonstration had nothing whatsoever ever to do with race and actually one citizen journalist approached one of the many black pro second amendment demonstrators and asked him if he was a white supremacist premises. We'll get to that in a second. 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W Ell that is ring dot com slash knowles so the event in in Virginia had nothing whatsoever to do with race and one citizen journalist approaches one one of the black demonstrators there and he asked me said I heard all these media reports that this was a white supremacist rally. So are you sir a black man. A white supremacist. Here's his answer. White Supremacist I. I was told there'd be while you are you're really are black bass back by the. Yes Sir yeah. How do we stay? But they may cause would know seaborn risks that ain't going to be deman- because he would know fighting not going to be may cause nobody get locked up. They won't be made because all the offices. There's that piece they going to be mad. 'CAUSE AIn't nobody. Nobody are her fight. They may but guess what United we stand. That's what this is about Louis. It ain't even had to pre November. Don't he know where we don't need a web but we got we got we got him. We got each other back. What that's what it's about right? We stay right. That's right. White Black Hispanic Tino went up ninety. We stayed Snow Canyon. State they never gonNA make us know bally's they not gonNA turn off off with offices gives this just because y'all awesomeness is I love this guy obviously speaking very casually here but there's a lot a lot of insight in what are you saying they're going to be really mad that there's not violence here they're going to be really mad that there's not division here they're going to be really mad that there's not hatred here that's what they've been trying to gin up all week but united we stand and what are we standing united behind our constitution our shared culture our shared country free because we're all all fellow countryman here really beautiful stuff I love he says we don't even need weapons we don't need them right here but we got him and that's Kinda to the point we don't need weapons I don't pack a gun every place I go and I'm like arm to. They held all the time. No the reason that I don't feel that I have to is because we do have the right to keep and bear arms the very fact that the individual in America has the right to keep and bear arms is a wonderful protection against just tyranny. It's a wonderful protection of our life and our liberty and our property and the loved ones around us and because we have that right. We don't need to be so worried. Read about it all the time. We just have to protect that freedom. The media were mad. They were mad. They went mad not even just in the sense that they were angry. They went matt in the sense that they went insane. NBC News Reporter. Ben Collins. He ended up to his credit deleting a completely baseless tweet alleging that the demonstration was a white supremacist rally. Here's what he said. Reporters covering tomorrow's White Nationalist Rally in Virginia. I'm absolutely begging. You verify information before you send it out tomorrow. Even if it's a very sensational rumor you heard from a cop. Don't become a hero in Neo Nazi propaganda circles with made up stuff. Now I love this. Tweet this tweet to me sums up the entire mainstream media which is a sanctimonious sneering sort of advice to fellow Americans and in this case fellow elites. It's proving the point that he thinks he's making improving the point with him. The Butt of the joke. He's like I'm begging you. I do not tweet out. Baseless information and completely made up stuff tomorrow at the NEO. Nazi Hitler Rally Buddy it's the second amendment rally. Rally you did it. You're the one doing it. Not just him. At least to his Credit Ben Collins deleted the tweet but the whole rest of the mainstream media did to another NBC News correspondent. Gabe Gutierrez tweeted out of video of the rally. And what he wrote with next to the video was chance of. We will not comply from gun rights protesters in Richmond. So I said okay well fair enough. I mean if someone tries to take away my basic constitutional rights I certainly. They won't comply with that. But let's see because I don't believe a word that these people say anymore. Let's see what they're actually chanting and the play button and this is what I heard. See if you can make it out doc all right I didn't hear a whole lot of we will not comply there. What I heard was the pledge of allegiance but I'm not surprised that the mainstream media couldn't recognize the pledge of allegiance agents? I assume they haven't heard it and certainly haven't said it many many years. That was the tip of the iceberg. Okay only the mainstream media were surprised that the the event yesterday went off very well because the mainstream media believe that only nuts own guns. They think it's only lunatics who own guns but think about this in a standoff in a peaceful demonstration between people defending the Constitution and lawless. Legislators was trying to run roughshod over people's basic civil rights. Which group do you think is more likely to be lawlessly? The ones defending the constitution institution. We're the ones trying to shred the constitution. Obviously the second amendment defenders are the ones who are going to behave according leading to the law. They're the ones who are going to behave appropriately. And it's going to be the lawless. Legislators doesn't matter if they're they were elected office and they can write laws they can behave. Behave lawlessly often more lawlessly than the rest of us. They're the ones who are going to try to gin up a bunch of division intention. So what was the rally about just very quickly. We'll get through what these guys were protesting because the gun laws being proposed in Virginia are absolutely absolutely terrible and unconstitutional. We'll get to that in a second. I I got to thank our friends over at rock. 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Maybe there's an argument to be made. Okay maybe I haven't heard it yet but maybe there is an argument to be made however and this is the theme here if you were going to take away. Somebody's basic fundamental constitutionally protected civil rights there needs to be a really really high threshold in that argument and they have not made one in Virginia. They want universal background checks on gun sales. This is really a way to prevent people from passing guns along to their kids so Who would who would object to universal background checks? Nobody the devil's in the details. Though the question is am I not going to be able to pass along. My antiques antiques. Civil war rifle to my kids or something after I got it from my father and from his father and on and on no then there is a new rule so allowing localities to ban guns and some public areas again. You can have that argument but the right to keep and bear arms is an individual individual rights guaranteed by the constitution so if you're going to deprive people of their fundamental civil rights. You better have a pretty good argument for it and those those is that just passed the State House. Those are the most defensible of all of them. The rest of these regulations are are draconian and outright unconstitutional. So one let's say red flag law this would allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from anyone deemed by law enforcement to be a danger to themselves or to others now I don't have a problem with depriving certain people of Rights that they would otherwise be entitled title to if they pose a direct threat to themselves or to others however I am very strongly opposed to taking away a person's person's basic civil rights in one case but not into others. I think that threshold needs to be very very high. So for instance. If you really believe that somebody is an imminent the threat to themselves or to others. They got a couple of screws loose. They are a danger to society. Okay that's fine then you ought to be able to have that person committed to an institution. Then you ought to be able to deprive that person of their voting rights. Then you ought to be able to deprive that person of their of certain legal rights to control their own affairs. You ought to be able to apply the same standards apply to the Second Amendment to all of the other civil rights. Because is I think very often what's going to happen here is law enforcement is GonNa say. Yeah you're you're a threat to yourself or others we're gonNA take away your Second Amendment Rights. I mean you're fine. You can still vote. He can still live on your own. You can still drive a car you can still do whatever you want but just the gun. The gun is going to be the real issue. Well No of course not if a person is is is too too much of a threat to have their basic gun rights included in the constitution. And certainly they shouldn't be able to. Dr Driving thing is a privilege. You apply to get a driver's license from your state and you don't have any right to a driver's license. You do have a right to keep and bear arms so again I'm I'm fully admitting that certain people are not in full of possession of their faculties to access all of their their rights. This would include glued children. This would include people who are drained this would include people who are highly criminal deserted right there of course people have their rights deprived all the time through their own actions actions or their inability to control themselves however the threshold has to be very very high. Another one is new rules about reporting lost auster stolen firearms again. This is a way just to take people's guns away increased penalties for recklessly leaving loaded unsecured firearms near children. Yeah you shouldn't be able to leave. Loaded loaded unsecured firearms near Children's certainly not could. That lobby abused probably a ban on any one subject to a final protective order from possessing firearms and then and then the PS Rizza stance the one that the left is always going for a ban on assault rifles now assault rifles polls have more or less been banned in this country for decades when people say assault rifles referring to guns like the fifteen the most popular gun in America which Dr not assault rifles in the sense that they're not fully automatic and that's the image that comes to mind when people talk about it but in another sense all firearms are assault salt weapons. They're all assault. What the point of a firearm is to assault somebody? They're not they're not comforting. I mean they're not there to make you feel really pleasant. They're not there to massage your temples. When you've got a headache there to shoot people so yeah they may commit assaults now so obviously you want be bluer responsible who follow the law who are good mature people to possess firearms? That's the premise of the second amendment. But to say okay okay you can have all the pleasant firearms. That don't hurt anybody but not the assault ones is completely disingenuous. The reason they use that euphemism is simply to confuse people and the reason they go after the. Ar Fifteen is. It's pretty much the most popular gun in America they chose to do this on Martin Luther King Day. Ao C was very upset that they chose Martin Luther King Day. We'll we'll get to how wrong. She isn't a second to the dumbest conversation I've ever listened to. The mainstream media shrieked that the reason they chose Martin Luther King was because the the people protesting racists bigots they black people now the actually the reason they chose it is because there's this longstanding tradition called lobby day in Virginia. But aw the choice of the coincidence of Martin Luther King Day is actually an important one. You Know Martin. Luther King was a civil rights activist. I bet he's brought US famous civil rights activists in modern American history. Guns were civil right the right to keep and bear arms that is a basic civil rights protected by our Constitution. Listen now shocked doesn't know shocked the leftist journalist time. He's Kosar by the fact that this took place on Martin Luther King Day. Another thing that I've been really thinking sitting with today is that we there's this Gun rights protests. That's happening down in Richmond and and one day I M K day yet damn right it's on Mlk Day unem- what why do we celebrate. Mlk Day we celebrate Mlk Day because of his work on civil. Oh rights and so if you're going to have a civil rights protests in America. I guess it makes a whole lot of sense to do that. We will get to this extraordinarily dumb speaking event between AFC and Don on the EIB goats and then we will get to impeachment because that's beginning obviously today. The impeachment trial in the Senate is starting today then. Some great news for the pro-life caused ahead of the the march for life. I though I've got to talk to you about the problem with your growing business right. The problem with growing businesses very often and I've seen this firsthand because because I've been involved in a lot of startup businesses. The daily wire included is very often. They'll have a hodgepodge of business systems right. So they'll start and they'll say okay. I know how to use this system for accounting I am familiar with the system for. Hr I know about this system for sales. 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The reason I bring this to you is not because I want to just slowly kill each and every one of your brain cells. It's because does the conversation shows US something one thing I love about is she shows you what the left to really is taken to. Its logical conclusion. Shows you the hypocrisy and it shows shows you just the utter emptiness of leftist ideology so begins with the grand claim. That people shouldn't have of a lot of money. They shouldn't have a billion dollars and really you can never make a billion dollars because the only way that someone gets a billion dollars is by taking it it from someone else I specifically does you know. Now I'M JOE billionaire. which is I sold those wages? I made billions of dollars worth breath selling those widgets making those stare for those billions of dollars. Why am I the enemy of health? Well you didn't make those widgets did you. Because you employ loyd thousands of people and pay them less than living wage. That's one of those statements like so many leftist statements that if you're I'm not thinking it all sounds like it means something but it actually has no semantic content. It has no meaning in the statement. She said you never make a billion dollars. You take take a billion dollars because you hire people to do a job but when you hire people to do a job you're not taking from them. You're not stealing from them. It's actually the opposite. You're giving them your money because you think that their skill their air service their labor is more valuable than the money that you are giving them and they think because they're engaging in this free exchange they think that the your money money is more valuable than the Labor that they are giving you and so they exchanged their labor for your money and everybody wins. How do I know that? Both sides feel this way because both sides engage in the transaction. Here's another example. I mean taken to the logical extreme. which he's saying? Is that if you ever hire anybody ready to do a job. Then you aren't doing anything you're not producing anything. Let's say I write a book with words. This time okay. I don't write a blank book. I read a real book and let's say I were black book even okay. It could be a blank book. I come up with the idea. Maybe I ride a little bit. I come I come up with a design and then I send that out and I hire a publisher to print it. The publisher hires some Tree Company to cut down the trees make the paper. The publisher hires some delivery people to go deliver it to bookstores. Then obviously the bookstores have the money. They have employees. The bookstores sell the books to somebody else. Who needed a car to drive there? Who who you can see the effects of this threat? The economy my doing even a blank book will involve so many the people to make that happen. And if I write a book with words then you're GonNa have to hire people to make the ink then you're GONNA have to. I mean that's going to be a whole other avenue. Can you of of people who have helped to make that happen. Does that mean I didn't write a book. Does that mean I didn't produce anything. No it means that I've worked together with other people in an economy enemy in a society to produce a product the employees. Who does that? The employee WHO's hired at the widget company as tiny. He's he coats. Says did that. Employ e make the I dunno call fifty grand a year. Did they make fifty grand a year. Surely they needed other people to make that money. They didn't come up with the idea. Yeah for the widget. They didn't build the structures of the business. They didn't presumably. There will be people down the line of them who they rely on to make. That job happen. Does anybody make anything. No this is the logical conclusion of Barack Obama saying when he was president. That you didn't build that you didn't build your own business. which was you basically the economic motto of his presidency then? AOC turns it up a little bit more so she denies anybody can engage in an economy voluntarily. Then she says the people are literally dying because of commerce. You made that money off the backs of undocumented people you made that money money off the backs of black and Brown people being paid off living way under a living wage. You made that money off the backs of single mothers and in all of these people who are literally dying. Because they can't afford to last would they're literally if they're literally dying because they can't afford to live then presumably. You're doing them a favor. You're saving them by giving them a job right. You're giving them money so you're saving seeing them now. What does he know about my business? You know that I'm not paying people living wage. Does she know that. I'm targeting black and Brown people and single mothers mothers and no of course not. She's just saying words. She is just making total grand suctions about other people's businesses and she's beginning with the premise. That people are entitled to other people's stuff people are entitled to other people's money. Do you know what the real minimum wages. She's complaining about a living wage. The real minimum wage is zero dollars. Because I don't owe you a job and doesn't doesn't really think that we owe each other jobs you know why because then would have started a business right. AFC would be just as on the hook as everybody else's has ever created a single job in her life of course. Not How much does she give to charity. I don't know if I were gambling. Man I guess probably less than Jeff. Jeff Bezos does. What has she done? I mean the left is so good at this. The left does this all the time. They're really good at criticising everybody else pointing out the flaws laws and the shortcomings of everybody else or pointing out how other people could do even more which is always true. You could always do more. But they're never able to turn that lens around on themselves. Analyze themselves under the microscope. Hold themselves to the same standards to which they're holding other people you know they criticize guy. Like Jeff bezos Super Super duper wealthy guy. Because he's only giving a million dollars at a clip to charity. When was the last time you gave a million dollars to charity? Was the last time did anything for anyone. Then she comes to the conclusion of her arguing. No one ever makes a billion dollars. You take a billion dollars wow snaps snaps all around. This is like if I were in a freshman slam poetry free meat man. I would really feel feel the feels right now. Ao See gets to her conclusion at. It's just a silly as a premise. But there is a little bit of honesty right when she gets gets to the end. She's talking about taking. She's talking about an assertion of the will then she gets to the heart of her philosophy which is not which is not based on principles. It's not based on any kind of coherent argument. It's about power and she puts an exactly those terms to be ethical. If you're a billionaire today the thing that you need to do is give up control and power. So I don't want your money as much as we want your power. The people not the Bath GonNa get cut in clip okay. Obviously she's a very confused young lady who hasn't thought very much about about important questions but there were many contradictions in what she just said and yet she accidentally gave up her whole point she said to be ethical. You need to give up control and power and then in the very same breath she said we want your power so what she is. Admitting here is that her own system is unethical right. If if to be ethical you need to give up power and she wants wants power than she is unethical but her system of politics isn't based on ethics at all. It's not based on reason to argument at all. It's just about taking power. It's just about self interest her. Her system presumes that the only way that I can have more more is if you have less and that extends to the nature of politics then she says we watch but I'm not saying we want the power I'm saying the people want the power or but not me even though I'm I guess I'm a person she's saying she's not a person of course she's one of the people but more specifically she's the one who wants the power she's not giving the power are just some guy who's working a low wage job in the middle of Queens. She's taking it for herself through her instrument. Power which is the state There are many more problems with what she's saying because she is not a systematic thinker. Let's put it that way but it's suffices to leave it there. This is all about about power and frankly that's what the broader news story of this week and probably next week is as well. which is president? Trump's impeachment trial nearly as dumb him as a conversation with Tana. Easy coats is the impeachment trial of president trump which is kicking off today. He has been impeached. The president now now it is going to trial. There are all sorts of numbers going around out there over whether people want the president to be removed or not. I strongly suspect that they do not want him to be removed. So the Republicans control the Senate. There is no indication at all that any Senate Republicans are going to turn on trump so he is going to be acquitted quitted he will not be removed from office. This is the cost of a partisan impeachment. Okay this impeachment. Unlike the others in American history was not a bipartisan impeachment. There were no republicans who voted to impeach the president in the House there were Democrats who refused to impeach the president so it was bipartisan in terms of letting him stay in office but it was strictly partisan in terms of the vote to remove him so when you have a strictly partisan impeachment. Guess what happens. You'RE GONNA strictly partisan trial especially when when they don't have any legal basis for impeaching and so the the question that remains for this trial is whether or not they're going to call witnesses. Mrs Now already had witnesses right. You might say why would they call more witnesses. We just had an investigation. We just had testimony. We had the vote to impeach. So let's let's move on and do that. Okay that is. That is what the American people seem to want to do to most polls show that the American people want to keep the president in office fus until very convenient bowl from CNN which just came out right before the impeachment trial showed that fifty percent of Americans want trump removed from office showed that sixty ninety nine percent of Americans want witnesses called at the trial including nearly half of Republicans. Numbers are obviously way off from every other bowl on the subject. But let's take them at face ace value. Okay let's give the benefit of the doubt for no reason whatsoever. What did these numbers mean? I think what they mean. Gene is not what the mainstream media thinks they. The mainstream media thinks that means that the American people have finally turned on trump. And we'RE GONNA kick him out and now this way. Hillary is going to be president again. Somehow and everyone's GonNa we're GONNA live in a leftist utopia something to that effect. They what the mainstream media thing is. This is evidence of public opinion change and now people want trump out. I think what it means. This is that nobody is paying attention anymore. I think nobody's paying attention at all. They're not thinking through the consequences. It doesn't matter. I don't think anybody cares so so you get a question in a poll like hey should there be witnesses at the impeachment trial and I I suspect people think I guess there were witnesses at a trial I mean. What is this out out? Yeah okay do that but when you get down to brass tacks do we really believe that. The president ought to be removed that he's committed some impeachable offense. I just I don't see it. So what are the arguments for and against Democrats are desperate for anything even remotely impeachable. That's why they want to call more witnesses businesses. They didn't get it the first time. They didn't get it when it was in the house. So they're just saying please. If we we have one hundred witnesses maybe one of them will give us something. That's impeachable okay. Why would republicans want witnesses well? Republicans want the process to seem fair and it just seems like witnesses should be present at trials doesn't okay what is Pelosi want. It Pelosi. Wants to seem seem like she's giving her base their money's worth before they inevitably quit the president. What about Republicans? Maybe they want witnesses because they want to drag out this impeachment trial because impeachments. It's been very good for trump's approval numbers from the beginning of impeachment till now trump's numbers have gone up. The Democrats have gone down. Plus you could get hunter Biden up there on the stand and that would be absolutely absolutely freaking hilarious because that guy's a total degenerate and he will expose more corruption from his father however however what's the argument against witnesses. This is politics okay. It's still politics. Anything can happen in politics and I think what the White House is looking at now is they say it's like a game of poker. They're up there way a up all right. This impeachment thing could not have worked better for them than it has and I think what the White House and Mitch McConnell or thinking is you got no one to hold them no one to fold them no one and to walk away no one to run right and they may be wanted just cash out their money so this has been a big win. Let's take it and head into two thousand. Twenty moving on is the key here. Because in the ninety s during the Clinton impeachment there was an organization founded called move on Dot Org. It's one of the most prominent left-wing organizations and what people don't remember is that move on referred to the Clinton impeachment. They said it's time to move on. Nobody cares anymore. Let's go let's let's keep this going for the American people now. Everybody's changing their mind right. Democrats who were against Clinton's impeachment are now for trump's impeachment and vice versa for Republicans. This is the problem with a long career career in politics. Eventually you're going to look like hypocrites you don't need to but very often you will. How can you avoid that? How can you avoid the trouble that that Democrats and Republicans are now win? Avoid sweeping abstractions generalizations about politics admit that politics is politics. There is interest here okay. It's just different when it's your guy or the other guy and we can all be honest about that and then we're not being insincere and have a little bit of a sense of humor about it. The Media Research Center again. You know the guys who do newsbusters. They dug up the the mainstream media reaction to the suggestion of calling more witnesses during bill. Clinton's impeachment trial. And you're going to be shocked to find out that it was a little a little different than their reaction. In the trump impeachment issue has been a sham. It shouldn't have gotten this far. The House acted improperly in passing it on to the Senate why is is your party dragging this thing out. Why is this happening? Why go through all this This business about witnesses. Do we really need more witnesses. It's GonNa add monster this thing. We should stop this. This bogus inflated case get on with business governance with these people. Just get down to business and leave this impeachment thing alone. It's going to be an enormous distraction To the White House and all kinds of issues that the congress ought to be considering it as a long line of of the People's business that seems to have been put aside and apparently is going to be put aside for four weeks if not months now we begin tonight with the Voice of the people visit our got up and shouted God Almighty take the vote and get it over with it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and you gotta listen to it for another five years probably and now. They're all singing the opposite to so now it's Republicans who want to move on. It's Democrats who want to stole. I think in the interest of both parties. Frankly probably should move on. I think it's hurting Democrats numbers. The longer this drags eggs out and I think it's distracting Republicans and making us a little too complacent about twenty twenty the longer we drag this out and obviously president trump wants to accomplish more of his agenda so we've all made up our minds. It's just mindless screaming. Partisan impeachment doesn't matter anyway before we go. I've got to talk about some great news for the pro-life 'cause Really really great news ahead for the march for life. It's great news in a scary news story. Scientists who have been researching the question of fetal pain like the pain pain the pre-born Davies feel have concluded that it is no longer likely that babies can't feel pain before twenty four weeks that was the former consensus view. Now they're saying that babies could feel pain possibly as early as thirteen weeks which is at that at at that point is where a lot of abortions are happening. Almost cutting the amount of time in half now. These are not activists. These are not pro-life activist. I Caesar just British scientists. One of them is actually an abortion. Supportive British pain expert pro-choice who used to think there was no chances that that pre-born babies could feel zero pain that early and now says that that assumption is likely incorrect and they've just written in the very influential journal of Medical Ethics that this new evidence is so compelling that to carry on with abortions up until twenty four weeks despite that new evidence quote flirts with moral roll recklessness. Because of the pain question now it really shouldn't matter whether pre-born babies can feel pain gene or not who is the ability to feel pain now the arbiter of the value of life. Do you have dignity in your life because you can feel pain will what if you take an anesthetic. What if you What if you put take a couple of painkillers than is it moral for me to kill you? No of course not feeling pain is just an evidence. Okay it's an evidence of the baby's humanity which we already know because it's a baby whether or not someone can feel pain should have no bearing whatsoever on whether you're not whether whether or not you're allowed to kill that person. We make the argument for life logically. We make very strong philosophical arguments to not kill babies. Like it's unbelievable that we have to make these arguments should be so obvious it should be I self evident all of the arguments are on the side of life. There is no coherent philosophical argument for killing babies babies now to the tune of a million a year in this country. There is no argument the logic the reason the facts totally on the side of life and yet the arguments are not enough. One must paint a picture. That's the point of the march for life. The march for life is not Not a philosophical debate right. It's not it's not a dry academic paper and then there's a symposium and we'll reach other papers it's a demonstration to show. Oh the support for the cause of life because you need to show it the reason that it matters that thirteen week old pre-born babies can feel pain is because we have the image than in our minds ends of this cute little baby feeling pain. It's being ripped apart by these psychos in the abortion industry. That's the pro. I mean that's what it does to us. It evokes so much more rattus than just the arguments going all the way back to the first story. Today we can have constitutional arguments over the individual right to keep and bear arms all day long but a part of the reason why we need to go. Demonstrate is to show people what it means. We need to shoot down that leftist narrative leftist narrative that people who want to keep their civil rights or maniacs. Any accent bigots and nuts and violent and chaotic. And really what do they do. They show up there orderly. They've got every single race every color and shade of people there and a a behavioral well. There's no violence and the clean up after themselves when they leave. It's the same thing in politics is not nearly enough to make the argument. You certainly have to make the argument. That's the a prerequisite then you need to live out all value in this life is in fleshed. We got to put it into our bodies we have to put it into action. And that's what we saw this week in Virginia. That's what we're GONNA see this coming week for life here in Washington. DC and it's going to be a beautiful thing that's our show come back tomorrow. In the meantime I'm Michael knows. This is the Michael Knowles show. I'll see them. Yeah you enjoyed this episode. And frankly even if you didn't don't forget to subscribe and if you want to help spread the word please give us a five star review and tell your friends to subscribe. We're available on Apple podcasts. spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts tests. Also be sure to check out the other daily wire podcasts. Including the Ben Shapiro. 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AP Headline News Mar 22 2019 15:00 (EDT)
"A radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, President Trump announced all Islam state held territory in Syria has been eliminated after arriving in Florida today. The president took out a map of Syria, which shows the elimination of Islamic state group coverage right now, you guys can have the map. Congratulations researcher. Linda Robinson with the RAND Corporation says the Islamic state group has made a seamless transition in Syria into insurgency, I track their numbers of attacks. And their numbers have claimed casualties, and they put out very detailed data themselves on a monthly basis. And the trends have really been remarkable President Trump says he is reversing his administration's decision to slap new sanctions on North Korea ordering them withdrawn special counsel, Robert Muller's Russia report could be released soon in President Trump is been on the offensive. Everybody knows it all a big hope is like all in the whig judge is all a big. We'll see what happens. I know that the attorney general highly respected ultimately will make a decision. The president also talked about a deputy who appoints a man who investigates him the president said his people will not stand for it. A seventeen year old has been charged in Charlottesville Virginia with making racist threats which forced several schools in the city to close police chief Rochelle brandy says the threat was online and was racially charged. They definitely referenced ethnic cleansing, and that those individuals we're going to be targeted for that purpose of ethnic cleansing Charlottesville was the site of a white nationalist rally in two thousand seventeen the company that operates a petrochemical tank farm near Houston says there's been a partial breach of a dike wall containing potentially hazardous liquids. The company has asked industrial neighbors and people in nearby historical site to shelter in place. This is AP radio news. The prosecutor who led a New York investigation of President Trump's former personal attorney for the last year is stepping down. Robert Khuzami has been commuting from his home in Washington to the US attorney's office in Manhattan for the last fifteen months. A statement from US attorney Jeffrey Berman says he's leaving April twelfth to return home Khuzami oversaw, the prosecution of former Trump fixer Michael Cohen after Berman recused himself from the case he signed off on the raid that collected a trove of documents from Cohen's home and offices last year. Cohen is scheduled to start a three year prison term. In may Berman says Khuzami the former enforcement director at the securities and Exchange Commission has a strong desire to remain in public service. Warren Levinson, New York, President Trump says he will nominate Stephen Moore a conservative economic analysts to fill a vacancy on the Federal Reserve seven member board during the two thousand sixteen campaign. Moore helped draft Trump's tax cut plan. The president has been harshly critical of the Fed's rate increases over the last year. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news. I'm ready to take the next step. I'm ready for university. That will help me advance in my education and career a university. That will make me feel supported an connected and ready for ODU online. Click the set or go to online ODU dot EDU today. I'm ready to make my credits. Can I'm ready to take classes from university. That will help me build a my experience to prepare me for the future university. That would make me feel supported a courage and connected. Click this ad or go to online. Oh, the dot EDU today.
Anti-Semitism,Greenland, The Onion,and Trump
"It started as a headline seemingly straight out of the onion. I'm barrington day thurston from the onion and also you're listening to the civil liberties minute with a._c._l._u. Attorney bill newman so began the front page new york times article about donald trump's demand that he be allowed to buy greenland the the article then noted that the greenland misadventure occurred at a particularly for a time for president trump who has just recently quote proudly quoted a radio host declaring that israeli jews love him as if he were the king of israel and the second coming of god and then even more concerning did mr trump accused jews who vote for democrats of great disloyalty these comments questioning the loyalty of american jews to america were condemned by jewish-american groups who accused who's trump of invoking antisemitic stereotypes again mr trump you will recall told jewish republicans in two thousand and fifteen quote. You're not going to support me because i don't don't want your money and then following a march by neo nazis and white supremacists in charlottesville virginia in two thousand seventeen and a counter protest. He declared quote there. Were very you find people on both sides as the recent nationwide upsurge antisemitic incidents in the mass murderers at synagogues demonstrate antisemitism in america which is part of white supremacy is deadly serious. The civil liberties minute is made possible by the a._c._l._u. because freedom can't protect itself.
I Will Survive
"Empowerment time on the my normal show with your hopes. Pastor told wanna raw. Let's go god. Some praise for her. This is your host wanna ross welcomed to my listeners charlottesville location let me know where you're from hit their sheer button. It's a little cold outside today but we're trying to stay warm and moving forward. Let's dive in listen when you look at the words. Survival emmys continuously to lay to exists continuously to function. Or it's a prosper. The key word is continuously which means nonstop without pause or interruption. Listen enemy sees that you are on a verge of a breakthrough or you have tapped into something or god has dropped something in your lap. Yon your thoughts. The enemy will try to secretly or privately interrupt you and keep you from moving forward in those secret at openly interruptions your joy kebbi tampered with your face shaking your emotions. Get all over the place. But don't let the devil steal your joy. don't let the enemy steal your joy johnson. Want says i tell you pharisees anyone who does not enter the sheep in bobby gate but climbs in another way is a feet and a robber johnson into says a thief comes to steal kill and destroy but i came that you may have life more abundantly. He said i came that you may have life and have it more abundantly. It is not his real for you to just exist to live. He said abundant light but to live is christ. It's a diet gate for libya's wanted twenty one remember facts. We've on a race. That is mocked up for us by god. So that means your life is protected because of the blood of jesus he said i came that you may have life in having more abundantly. And because he came we can function in prosper live continuously. This is gonna be a tense attempts of the robber attempts of the devil but it will not prospered. they own attempts. The weapons can form. But they won't prosper. Listen the life. Price promised us is eternal life. First job five. I five in nineteen confirms the he said we are back. So listen is spite of what's happening in the world. As spite of west in us or you know was in around us officials. Three hundred twenty. Don't it says now wants to him that is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we can act a think according to the power that worked in us there is a power on inside of the power of god is working on the inside of you. I am you on by long show at. I've been sent to give you a reminder for you to remember you have a survival kit on the inside of you. A part of colossians believes it's three a sixteen to said let the word dwelling you richly. The word gives us the option to function. The blood of jesus provides protection. Andre cross things assault bloodshot powell eh reaches to the highest mountain. It flows to the lowest valley. The blood that gives us straight from day to day. It's show never loses power. I'm here to remind you have survival. Kate live function prosper continuously. Don't stop the blood got you covered. If you wanna pause pause it tell that thank you for whatever state you aid. Psalms one eight t is seventeen. Says i shall live. I shall not die and declared the works of the almighty god. I'm here to tell you tonight. You will survive. Let's go do it for the normal show. If you would like to get in contact with pastor to wanna ross for speaking engagements you may email her at partnership at genesis. The letter c dot. Org once again. That is partnership at genesis. The letter c dot o. r. g.
Leah Greenberg & Ezra Levin from Indivisible
"Hi I'm becky difficult Chicago's south side generous nature Leah Greenberg and as eleven of indivisible on Shubra talking politics. Hey everyone this is Kelly with two routes talking politics and I'm super excited to be joined today by as R- Eleven and Leah Greenburg who are the CO Executive Directors of the invisible project. I Ezra highly. Hey whatever yeah so this is exciting for me. I think my real first foray into politics and activism was through indivisible so to super exciting for me off wonderful wonderful yeah so I know that you have a book coming out in November and so i WanNa talk about that but maybe for people who aren't as familiar with sort of how indivisible started we could just sorta start there a little bit about the the background of how invisible discipline got started and how you got to the place you are now yeah they're saying I think I probably funny to say that indivisible. <hes> was a total accident and it was not the intention <hes> Leeann. I were both former congressional staffers we work on Capitol Hill I during the rise of the tea party and and since went onto <hes> other things I was working on the anti-poverty advocacy and I was working on and human trafficking issues and <hes> you know trump got elected and immediately started going through the stages degreasers I like all our friends and <hes> progressive colleagues and we were trying to figure out what to do this brave new world and you know as dark is everything was in November of twenty sixteen there. Was this real silver lining there. Is this new thing that was happening which was people all over the country. We're trying to figure out what could they do. How could they get involved? How could they be part of resisting this incoming administration and I think Leeann and I as as former commercials every we didn't really have any applicable skills but we we knew how Congress work we could survive Congress we could say hey you know we disagree with the tea parties racism and violence but fundamentally they were smart about strategy tactics? They understood that local defensive advocacy folks getting on your own elected. Officials is really impactful. They really works because we have this representative system of government. That's our democracy is structured and your representatives have to ask for your vote all the time which means that they can actually influenced by what you do locally and so we wrote the invisible God <hes> we drafted initially over the weekend and then we sitting around some friends to take a look <hes> and made some edits over the next few weeks and basically said perspective that they recommended that people form little local groups bull friends and family together <hes> and focused on their own electric officials and never give an inch and so I think we were you know tweeting it out while eating tortilla soup at our kitchen table of one evening after work hoping that maybe sometime in the future months later somebody would tell us hey we showed up at a town hall and <hes> you know this guy was really useful. We asked our elected officials questions. Thanks for explaining this to us that was really are only aspiration operation in mid December twenty sixteen when we send it out in the world and that <hes> we had this it's relation which was we put it online and you know in almost instantly like within a couple of hours we were getting emails flooding in from all over the the country and the first set of emails at the same thing which was that there were take those all over the document is totally those but then the second set emails said you know I have gotten a group of people together in Washington or in Alabama or in Montana and I we're not sure what to do but we've got to resist trump and now we're going to be using your guide and we are indivisible group and what do we do next and so at that point <hes> we realized that we had really tapped into something. Thank you know we had seen this wave of people suddenly hacked into it ourselves and we were part of it and really everything's gone from their Su. E both were congressional staffers. What what sort of relationship did congressional offices before oral of this have with the public you know where they were? They hearing a lot from people about you know how people wanted them to vote. Were they only hearing from the tea party side. You know what did that. Look like sort of Pre November twenty sixteen. I even remember pre pre pre tea party like in in two thousand eight <hes> where you know my boss on Capitol Hill consciously dog it he would hold town halls or public events and you know you get like a handful of people might show up <hes> it might be the same Kibo who always show up people would stop by like the booth at a at a public event and hear some concerned and that that's basically all it would be. I mean I think in in general civic engagement of this type has not been particularly <hes> <hes> sexy activity that droves of people are falling over each other trying to do. It's been something that you know. A couple of <hes> hardcore politicos in the district might take it upon themselves to to do but <hes> it hasn't been as wide scale all on the conservative side tea party was at least initially this real grass roots <hes> surge of energy that was very anti Obama and very anti <hes> you know the efforts to confront the great recession and that we I saw that in our own district leader was representing <hes> working for congressman who's representing kind of a rural red district. I was working congressman representing a Bluer district but in in both of our district's that were made it party groups that would show up at every event and Kinda disrupt and you know the reason why I think the parties <hes> strategies tactics were smart was because it was it was rooted in this basic idea of look in a representative democracy. You've got a couple of Representatives in Congress who actually have to listen to you <hes> <hes> they've got to ask for your vote regularly into that gives you power but there was also this different aspect to it which was really <hes>. I guess he wouldn't be strategy so much as tactics like how do you implement that strategy. How do you how do you put pressure on your elected officials? Well you gotta understand what makes you elected officials tech and we put this in the original indivisible guide and it's complicated. They think every single morning when they wake up about reelection. How is what they're trying to figure out? How am I going to convince these voters in my district restricted? I'm one of the good people in Congress. How am I gonNA convince them to pull the lever for me next November or how am I gonNA come in send elected even higher office? That's what even even good members of Congress that's what they're thinking and so when we put out the guide we made. We've tried to make it clear that you were power is a constituent is fundamentally. It's the power to convince other constituents in the area that actually this member of Congress representing us and they need to take different positions and through very public individual pressure you can affect the local media environment and that affects how an individual elected official will actually behave so this is why the the idea of you know group-based pressure which is indivisible is based. It's important because groups are official local indivisible Charlottesville. He's more impactful than you know. One hundred individuals in Charlottesville might be because indivisible Charlottesville is a brand is an entity is official can issue press releases can hold events. He get that local coverage and through that local media coverage can actually push elected officials in directions that it wants them to go and that's true of you know five thousand plus indivisible groups all over the country that legitimacy issues they built really powerful and so what's then sort of at this point the relationship between the National Organization and all of these and there's something like five or six thousand local groups at this point the great question I see our role as it and it varies a lot <hes> we really see our real is sort of service provider ship with Stewart theater stuff so <hes> we kinda make available to as many indivisible groups as possible a set of resources to help support local informal meetings the people dedicated to action for progressive values and that's everything from and distributed fundraising system that basically allows groups that haven't formerly become a nonprofit to raise money <hes> via an act Lou page in and spend it down yet debit card so you know just making sure that you don't have to you don't have to register as non profit and get a board of directors in order to to raise money similarly <hes> getting folks meeting liability insurance <hes> or meeting safe <hes> basically what kinds of things that we can do to try and help and support the training access to a whole set of resources that are really just about making sure that people can stay focused on their activism in their communities because we believe that that is important whether you're focusing on a local issue or a national issue that sustaining that wave <hes> hyper local lacked business very important piece the through leadership is really serving as a platform for coordinated action so that when folks who have gotten active under the indivisible umbrella are showing up on national issue we can show up together and really make voices heard together and so that's that's things like <hes> calling for supporting national days of action around our key priority key priority issues are places where folks under threat so during care obviously doing up as a movement to really push back on their public and effort to repeal the affordable care act <hes> showing up to push DACA and to stand with immigrants who are under threat over the course of the last <hes> the administration's attacks on them and you know and moving forward as a as a group so that we're really making clear that this is a very visible during national movement all the country you only after that you know indivisible the the organization now has seventy six fulltime staff that are spread around the country and <hes> actually helping these groups which are volunteer groups do their thing that is the model so so fundamentally at at the at the heart of individuals volunteer live movement it <hes> it is not command and control it's driven by these locally organized locally lead groups on the ground and what we've tried to build out at the national level or a system of of state leads of regionally to can then support these new organizers who are doing this and they're they're nights and weekends and free time <hes> to be ESTA are they can but this is the the the heart of the movement is is not some <hes> kind of D._C.. Based operation because that's not that's not as important as with actually happening around the country the thing that makes indivisible specialists that anybody in any community can raise their hand bring a dozen people together and form an indivisible group and they will set that indivisible priorities they will lead that indivisible groups development of of a logo or issuing press releases or creating a creative tactics <hes> that's the hard and so our roles national level is reach to support that work Ganic activity liberty that is the approach that you took with endorsements in the congressional races in twenty eighteen as well as I recall that it was endorsements that had come up from local groups that were then vetted by a the national organization. Can you talk a little bit about Sorta the endorsement process yeah so the endorsement exactly what you just said they had to begin with an end with the groups and members on the ground so indivisible does not parachute Indus into states or districts and call out a specific candidate. Who is you know you've gotta get behind that indivisible candidate otherwise indivisible the way that the endorsements always begin is a local group has to vote themselves to endorse? It's a candidate and then they can nominate after they onto that process I candidate for a national endorsement and if they do that we will verify that their process was <hes> <hes> fair and open and that there aren't a lot of other indivisible groups in the district your state that disagree with them then we'll put out out a question the heir to the candidate to understand. Are there any red flags about this particular candidate and assume that there aren't we don't then go to a national endorsement. His final step is there's gotta be vote and in twenty eighteen the way we did it was if you you were trying to endorse a governor or senator we would to vote of all the indivisible members in your state and if you were trying to endorse a congressional candidate we would do a vote of all the it's in your district and if you've got a supermajority support for for candidate then we would issue a national endorsement so you're exactly right. He was really important to us that this be a process that was led an owned by the groups on the ground and not seen his <hes> you know indivisible national picking and choosing winners or losers now that we do believe communicate the folks that primaries are really important particularly are really important part of building in owning your power locally that I'm Mary's often the moment when you're actually able to choose the leaders he really WANNA speak for you and to <hes> you want ought to represent you going forward. They're usually the only time when you're actually going to have a real debate. If ideas between reasonable well-meaning people given the general election this pointer usually about beating the product white supremacists primaries are actually <hes> for people who are building heartlessly. They're important moment to to build relationships to make your power felt and two shifts the Democratic Party in particular in the direction that you wanna go and so we do definitely say that and communicate that the folks at the same time and if you live on this outside of Chicago Chicago as I do the primaries the only thing that matters Yup I mean there's a good example of a primary happening right now. With <hes> Dan Lipinski who is a conservative Democrat. I think <hes> in the last cycle in two thousand eighteen there was a primary challenged Lipinski. The indivisible groups largely rallied around the Challenger but after the primary <hes> when within speaking out of the primary Lipinski was up against a literal Neo Nazi it was it was this conservative versus a little Neo Nazi. Yeah I think for for the individual groups that got engaged in the primary. You know that's not a choice. It's not like <hes>. I don't know who I'm going to support in general. I think that that's what Leeann means when she talks about the real debates within the progressive movement when it comes to elections don't really happen the general election because by the time with the general election we understand who's got a win but in the primary we actually are debating the future of the Democratic Party and the future of the Progressive Movement and that transfer indivisible bruce local grassroots scripts really make their voice heard and feared the direction that party for our primary endorsements made them <hes> in two thousand eighteen. We actually would refuse to issue an endorsement unless the candidate agreed to support whoever won that primary so there's no taking your bowl and going home home as far as individuals concerned we think that people ought to get engaged in primaries have constructive primaries fight it out and then you gotta rally around the winner because <hes> it's not just enough to fight for your values in the primary if you ultimately lose the general and don't actually regain power and that's an important lesson for the presidential election we all have going on as exactly exactly and that's why we've got into this book budge which really encourages candidates tell get behind Nielsen Winter. Do you think that indivisible will oh be endorsing in the presidential primary or is that more of a you know sort of evaluate all of the candidates but everyone should make their own decision well so we have been in dialogue with into your around the country about <hes> you know what they wanna see from indivisible as part of the primary process Steph <hes> as part of engaging in a constructive healthy primary who their candidates are <hes> how they are planning to the primary and you know what we've concluded. Is that <hes> we really want to make sure that we're we're really in dialogue with invisibles about the contributions at the end of it can make to the Democratic primary into ultimately win the election we WANNA be making sure that we don't think that there's really a purpose of into national endorsing without reflecting real <hes> levels enthusiasm and excitement statement from the end of this little movement for candidate and so <hes> the first in Boston wouldn't be conditioned is is there that enthusiasm for candidates and that was something that we're tracking regularly. We're asking folks I were doing polling <hes> looking at you know our <hes> candidates candidates catching on fire within elevating people who are shutting out who are were standing for big ideas who are really setting the piece for the rest of the field. That's not necessarily choosing a direct you know endorsement but it is talking about who's really living you have to our values and who's making this contest of ideas and building you know the premises of constructive primary. If we do get to an endorsement that will be something that we do in dialogue with and in partnership with into this little groups around the country <hes> because fundamentally it's it's about. It's about the end of this movement and whether there really is a candidate he's catching. The grassroots suit talked me about this book that you have coming out. It's coming out November fifth in it's called we are indivisible so so what are you doing in the book yeah so we're really excited to be sharing the world pretty soon so basically the the goals of book is to tell the story of the indivisible movement where we've been and where we're going and that's through the combination of <hes> you know the lesson than stories of the last two years and also what we see on the horizon and really answer the question. How did we get your how did we get to a twenty sixteen? Donald trump could be elected and how do we actually if we beat Donald Trump <hes> hanes future so that were really aren't rebuilding rolling in different democracy than we had as twenty sixteen because we all know that trump's not really the problem. He's the symptom of a much bigger problem that if we had a healthy functional soccer see we would never been donald trump and if we don't fix those underlying problems that are ailing or democracy then we're just GonNa get another trump have been for years so the book is really about <hes> both those two things so it's talking about whether the last two years been like how are the what are the lessons that we've learned in building local power all over the country and fighting back against the Republican slots in building the blue wave and then what do we need to do next to change the way that our democracy works did actually represent stuff and I see there's an audio book to you. Read the audiobook who how how does that happen so we'd hasn't it hasn't happened yet but I think it probably will be Leeann the anti reading the Audio Book but we have not yet produced it. I even occurred reading the words that we <hes> so the book right now. Actually is in fact checking and copy editing one fast anything about books <hes> or it was fascinating. The most books do not get back. The typical article that you read in <hes> magazine has gone through more fat checking the typical nonfiction book that you read <hes> we were <hes> not willing to do that. The absolutely committed did it needed to be factor we wanted we're making <hes> you know arguments about the future of democracy and we don't want to be a target. That's easily picked apart so our book is going through backtracking and copying now and then once that's done. I think we'll go into a production of that audiobook audiobook which we make tweaks l._N._G.. My seven year old if you need someone to do some reading for you he very often does the introductions to our podcast episodes. I bribe him with books and candy to to read things that I really am. I wanted to ask you to you so you are married. You've been married since before all of this started. You know how do you how do you balance that in in. How do you get away so you know I know for me? I've got a full-time job. That's not politics. I've got a husband and kids who are not part of my political life. Exactly although of course they are in a way you know and I've got my political life in so I've got those sort of different things going on but but for you guys that it's everything so how do you balanced you find yourself getting overwhelmed sometimes by everything that's going on to you to have escapes yeah the the book in a really heavy lift at the same time of leading the organization and being part of this terrible trump air <hes> I think the the thing that I often reflect on Lee neither Leeann where I have have been executive directors before and this is you know now pretty big organization seventy six people spread across the country and one of my reflections of doing this over the last two and a half years is <hes> I I really don't understand how any individual human being and can do everything involved with being an executive director all the the internal work the visiting work the external leadership working coalition building and media all that to have that combining one person seems just bonkers and also I don't know how anybody sets up a CO executive director structure with somebody who they're not married to <hes> it it the level of trust you need a level of alignment that you need is is so high that it seems like it would just be extremely difficult to to make this work unless we eat breathe and and sleep indivisible which is what we do. And that it would just say there aren't bumps along the way there there've been mini bumps along the way and they in the organization evolve as thrown in of all the political environment has changed and we've had to adapt to that repeatedly but you know I think the the reason why we've been able to <hes> row this organization and nurtured through these changes has been because we're acting this this effort on. I think the <hes> the answer the second question is more difficult like when how do we get away and I mean I think the sat answers that we basically don't we briefly had a rule where we would talk about indivisible while we were walking our dog <hes> but inevitably we would be like okay. What else do we talk about? We've gotTA talk about this issue that blew up and his staff meeting or issue that trump just you know issued a new <hes> decoration about something awful and it's frankly very very difficult to get away. This is the entirety of our lives right now. Just about and you know we're hoping that a break may be able become twenty twenty one <hes> but that's what we're working towards. I think we also distract that. We've been entrusted with an enormous responsibility right. Now we're making we're making the greatest contribution that we think we can and so we're gonNA. We're GONNA do that for as long as we can right now and <hes> just recognize that we're part of a bigger movement with so many other people who are also giving their all and so this is this is our contribution to something that's much bigger. If I you know I think about like early twenty seventeen when we were just in our living room and had a whole bunch trouble in tears and that was I would say the most active time that we've had over the last two and a half years because we really just didn't have the capacity to meet the need out in the movement and so we were just I mean I think over that time you know I draw like thirty pounds because we we're just getting meals and like we had some we. It was just bonkers though because we were you know we were just it was you wake up and he started in like dealing with things that are happy with an indivisible and go to bed at two or three <hes> <hes> having you know workable time and that the first three months or four months there's just an absolute blur that way earn we had a friend come over <hes> like drop something offer us and so how shovel we were and she started making soup on a weekly basis brisket kit over just to make sure we were eating <hes> there. Were you know Lacroix can spread across the the downstairs just because I mean the house just let it it was a total mess but that's not where we are right now. What I would say is like this is? This is all by way saying that what we've been able to do two and a half years. It's actually the pulpit he'd so we have a palsy team. We have an organized ever political team communication statement. These are people who are now helping to build and grow this movement and it's not on us so you know I you know I think we're pretty visible visible members of the of the indivisible movement but just to be clear that all the way is not on our shoulders and I think that's what's made it more sustainable that we have an incredible team here that is helping built us all right. It's the last question I have is that you both went. It's College in Minnesota at Carlton College and Trump. Today said that he's GonNa Win Minnesota so is trump ghetto in Minnesota. No I mean if everyone if everyone pays for it is the answer <hes> I think you know look we saw Minnesota. Get a little a little bit dangerously close to the read column in Twenty Sixteen. We thought rebounded twenty in as with any election. The answer is not you know the natural. There's certain there's a certain amount of math about who are the voters but then it's just about how much how much you're gonNA actually fight Ed and so I think we know a lot of very active Minnesota groups who are GonNa make sure it is not win in twenty. There's actually a Minnesota Third Congressional district <hes> indivisible podcast and we've been on a couple of months. They're actually indivisible tests that have popped up. I'm that we've joined but you know I guess what I would say about trump's election in general and like what what we're looking forward to in twenty twenty is that the way that we guarantee twenty twenty success is the same way we built toward the twenty eighteen success and to the lesson from two thousand eighteen. The biggest I think is that the blue wave didn't get built in twenty eight. The the electoral activities stretched all the way back to December twenty sixteen when people started building up these groups so you our primary focus from now until that election is how can we make these local indivisible groups shrunk as possible and some of that might be electoral work so that might be registering voters are knocking on doors or or endorsing candidates and that's great we need to do that but <hes> we can't lose sight of the fact that when you have <hes> indivisible groups participating in advocacy activities in an off your like this year when you have them showing up and supportive families being separated at the border or showing up in opposition to a bad budget bill <hes> bad budget bill or doing other kind of advocacy activities where New People are getting engaged that is preparing the blue wave for twenty twenty so we're not waiting for the primary to be over. Were not waited for the waiting for the general election action kickoff. We're trying to grow these groups out and the strength of this grassroot moving in twenty nineteen is going to directly feed into the size and scope of the big blue wave. We're hoping to build on twenty twenty. Is there anything else that you wanted to make sure we talk about yeah. I mean the the only thing I would say just we set it already but I underline it is that we're living in very comes right now. But the the the opportunity really exists to do the things we are headed toward the twenty twenty one. We're hoping and we're working towards this that we'll have the house the Senate in the presence <hes> and there will be an opportunity to actually change the way democracy works in America and whether or not we actually do that is going to be fully dependent on whether the people demanded are so the chance we've got right now is to build up that force and indivisible is not made up of a you know a D._c.. Based on profit but since out press releases or does policy now says the magic of this movement is <hes> the magic of Goule Emmett searching indivisible logo and you'll see indivisible nationals logo but you'll see literally hundreds of other local indivisible goes so for your listeners if they're hearing this and they WANNA be part of this if they wanna own their piece of this movement it's easy to do you put together a dozen people register yourself in indivisible group and get to work. That's what's been fueling the past two and a half years and frankly we think it's the only thing that's going to change an outcome in twenty twenty n._p._r.. But we need need citizens engaged in driving country in the right direction. We live in a representative democracy. So that's the power we've got we can't do this but we've got to choose to do it all right and we will put up links on our website both to the book which you can preorder now to the national indivisible website <hes> but then also you know were were more than happy to help people figure out where their local group is. If you're in Chicago a hit me up I loved connect you with indivisible Chicago great great all right. Thank you all right well as rally. Thank you so much for joining me on the PODCAST. I am super excited. You guys are like my heroes. <hes> you're younger than I am but you're my heroes anyway so thank you so much for everything you've been working on.
AP Headline News Mar 22 2019 18:00 (EDT)
"The. Radio news to McGuire earlier this afternoon. Robert Muller had his final report on the Russian investigation delivered to the Justice department. AP's Jennifer king with the latest special counsel. Robert Muller has concluded his investigation into Russian election interference and the possibility of coordination with associates of President Donald Trump. The Justice department says Muller delivered his final report Friday to attorney general William bar. The report still confidential but bar has said he will write his own report. Summarizing molars findings. It's not clear how much of the report will become public or will be provided to congress. The nearly two year prob- has shadowed Trump's presidency and resulted in felony charges against thirty four people including six who served on Trump's campaign. Jennifer king Washington in a letter to the leaders of both the house and Senate Judiciary committee's bar rights at he will review the report and advise the committee leaders as early as this weekend about the principal conclusions in that report he adds that he will meet quote with deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein and special counsel Muller to deter. What other information from the report can be released to congress and the public consistent with the law in an interview recorded with FOX business network mornings with Maria Trump continued his attacks on the investigation. Two years we've gone through this nonsense with because there's no collusion with Russia. You know that better than anybody and is obstruction. They'll say, oh, well, wait. There was no collusion that was a hoax, but he obstructed in fighting against the hoax. Okay. Muller's investigation has shadow the presidency and resulted in felony charges against thirty four people including six who served on his campaign now that it's over. There is expected to be a number of big public fights over it, including the White House, and congress and in all likelihood the courts Democrats house speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer say it is imperative to make the full report public. This is AP radio news. A seventeen year old boy is charged with making online threats against black and Hispanic students at the public high school in Charlottesville, Virginia AP's, Ed Donahue, has more threats forced the shutdown of some schools in Charlottesville police chief for shell bracketing says the threats were online and talked of ethnic cleansing specific contents of the threat contained vile racially charged language, which targeted African American and Hispanic students within the Charlottesville high school. She says the suspect is not a student Charlottesville was the site of a deadly white nationalist rally in twenty seventeen. Eight is not welcomed in Charlottesville. Violence is not welcomed in Charlottesville. Intolerance is not welcomed in Charlottesville in response to a comment by President Trump after the 2017 rally brandy said this time in Charlottesville are not very fine. People on both sides of this issue. I'm Ed Donahue, police would only say the teen lives out the city outside the city and identifies himself as Portuguese. I'm.
Terry McAuliffe Takes on White Supremacy
"Welcome to it's all political. The san francisco chronicle is political podcast. I'm joe gear fully the chronicle senior political writer here and today on the podcast. Our guest is terry mcauliffe but you may remember terry mcauliffe as the former governor of virginia in fact he was governor when the tragedy at charlottesville charlottesville went down or you may remember him as the former dnc chair and a prolific fundraiser or you may remember him as a friend of the clintons. I haven't heard this interview yet but i'm guessing that he will say the word clinton within five minutes of starting or he you may remember him as one of the few democrats not to run for president this year he decided not to run and he's got a new memoir out and he's talking to my friend. The chronicle's editorial page editor john says about that memoir and about life in the public spotlight especially during charlottesville next terry mcauliffe talking with john d. ads on its political this week on your century. The atomic bomb rocha the gulf of tonkin resolution plus alcatraz opens for business and nixon calls it quits welcome back to it's all political and here's the chronicle's editorial toil page editor john defense with me. Today is terry mcauliffe the former governor of the commonwealth of the junior and the author of a new book beyond charlottesville welcome to the chronicle governor. Thank you john's grigsby back with. It's been a while i was here when i did my last book <hes> back in two thousand seven absolutely we'll talk about timing timing you come out with this book beyond charlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism. My gosh has topic right now white nationalism <hes> i couldn't when i was putting the book together. I had no idea that we'd be in a situation wherein after el paso the issues we've had in gilroy. I mean nobody could have predicted but you know i i should have his. I say back in two years ago with charlottesville. <hes> i talk about how i talked to president trump that day begged him to come out and do do the right thing but if you remember john he refused to condemn the neo nazis the white supremacist wouldn't even use her name and said they were good people on both sides so that was his biggest biggest moral failure for me is that day when the world was looking to him to go out and say the right things to heal the nation to bring us together to say we're not gonna tolerate this actions that we saw where i mean i was there. I've never seen i get the every other word screaming at african-americans tone jus. You're going to burn mike. They burn them in oshawa piece to hood soothes even do that anymore. So i blame the president. I think he's culpable for his actions deeds and he's inflamed people to come came out and here we are. We've just gone through el paso where the manifesto specifically references you know his tweets and white identity and making america whiting in <hes>. It's a huge problem and it started. Charlottesville was the day that donald trump came out full fledged white supremacist in racist in my mind. I think one of the themes that doc forbid your book is how shocked were to see this in in two thousand seventeen virginia the past week what we've seen in gilroy what we've seen in particularly el paso <hes>. Can you be shocked anymore and i. I started the book as you say i saw john lewis congressman lewis. The great civil right's leader does the forward for me. He called me on monday. After i had given my so i gave my speech saturday night and i told him to get the heck out of virginia leave america they're not wanted i did with trump should have done and john called me and said it brought tears to his eyes. Which is something you think of the history john lewis but i started the book with a history in virginia as as you know we were the capital of the confederacy has a racist history i would delta lot of it as a kid from new york <hes> down hearing some of these things and and the things that you know we kukoc klan rally next door political than i had when i first ran for governor. I'll be honest with john. I didn't know the ku klux klan was still having rallies so i learned a lot of things when i ran for governor and you know once i got in i try to do my best is governor to eradicate a lotta wrongs took the confederate flag off the license plates who executive order just an offensive symbol. I restored more felon rice than any governor in american history. I mean i leaned in on the issues but i never in my wildest dreams could not even have predicted what i saw that day charlottesville and it wasn't just the saturday. John friday night was also frightening when at the university receive regina. There's a there's a hill next big mountain and nine o'clock at night. It was all dark and all you saw were torches. Hundreds coming down like a long snake screaming. You could hear him blood soil and jews. You will not replace us. I'm going to remind you of one thousand nine hundred eighty three and nineteen thirty four. How did we get to a place in twenty seventeen gene that people act like this yeah absolutely in fact. Let me quote from your your book where you talk about the need to study that weekend. He say we need to study. The forces and actions enable such horrible white supremacist violence out in the open don under a white hood not under the cover of night. I mean that that's what what struck me was was how brazen it was i. I was actually in washington d._c. That weekend <hes> was that sunday morning had scheduled as you know the african the american museum you have to schedule months in advance right and i was <hes> right before i went to visit the african american museum here. I am seeing these scenes on on t._v. On c._n._n. That morning and then go to that museum and see the scenes from the civil rights era. Those ugly scenes never never saw vodka tive yeah and this probably since that time was the biggest collection of white supremacy. Two neo-nazis nation had seen really in a couple of decades and it was scary for everybody who was there. You just couldn't quite comprehend but for me. As i wrote in the book <hes> people did he used to wear hoods. They didn't want their face nice to be seen. They did it at night now. They feel very comfortable doing it in the middle daylight at ten o'clock on a saturday morning in this beautiful town of charlottesville and what i say in the book i think a lot of it started when president obama got elected i think for many of these folks idea that we had a black president was really too much for them but they really didn't show out their frustrations. It wasn't until trump came along in the birther movement in all mexicans are rapists and criminals and we wanna ban all muslims in our country that they felt in bolden. Well goodness gracious. If the president can say this and i reminded john he re tweeted neo nazi and white white supremacy things during his campaign for president so this shock any of us but they felt emboldened with the president can say i can say in this was their big this breath. This wasn't about the robert. E lee statue be clear. They didn't know who already lee was. This was their time to come out is true haters racists. That's what brought them together. You've i've been around politics for a long time now. At very high levels he were chair that the democratic national committee so you're well aware that raises often been and for longtime been an undercurrent in american politics. We'd seen the code words. We'd seen the nixon southern strategy. <hes> ronald reagan and welfare queens try i. It seems like what's changed in the last couple. Years is advanced from code to just so direct when when that's a good question is it has moved from cold right laid out in the open but what's even got worse is the voter suppression. Look what happened when stacey abrams ran for governor down in georgia fifty thousand african americans their their names were taken off the rolls right before the election and i talk in the book about as bad as charlottesville was the one benefit jonah's rip the scab off racism racism. I think people white people they're not comfortable with this topic. They're not and they felt at the issues of racism and been dealt with. It doesn't exist anymore more in what that did at charlotte will show now. It's alive and well in this country. It is here they are strong and the point. I try to make in the book and the last couple of chapters. You got to do something about it. As long as we have inequities in school and housing and healthcare delivery we have a especially in southern states. We have a very racist criminal justice system. I mean john one of my last parts governor. I had a record of the most pardons shouldn't surprise you but one gentleman lenny singleton was young african american man. He was a drug addict and he was trying to steal for his addiction. He committed five robberies total. The total theft combined was five hundred thirty five dollars hours. Nobody was ever injured so for five hundred thirty five dollars john. I'm gonna ask what do you think. His sentence was in virginia a young african american man. I'm sure it's longer than i would ever guess take one guess ten years okay two life sentences plus one hundred and thirty years years for five hundred and thirty five dollars. The point i try to make in the book is this is prevalent today. In our society we gotta change it. We gotta leinen. There's there's too many politicians out there that put their finger in the air <hes> trying to see which way the wind's blowing leinen and until they do it. We're going to continue have these issues of racism facism now. The one thing we can really do is get rid of trump because he has inflamed all of this but you know it's two years away and we really diminish the white nationalist and neo nazi movement after charlottesville many more indicted charged and convicted many as you know. Their pictures were put up on social media. The counter protesters took pictures. The hotdog salesman in berkeley was fired marines were dismissed. I mean people paid a horrible price and year later. They tried to do a reunion. Nobody wanted to come kessler. Although all the guys <hes> who had that movement are being sued and they've really been crippled financially in some have gone onto jail but what i worry about john is not that you know you're not gonna have charlottesville again with all these people coming. It's those lone wolves at home that here the president and he so inflamed zaman gets them that they pick up an a._k._47. And walk into a walmart or stand outside peppers bar seems like another <hes> <hes> factor actor governor if you will is social media the way <hes> as you mentioned the book a lot of the folks who were there in charlottesville on that august day in two thousand seventeen were not virginians pinions they come from all over the country and so certainly social media has the ability to kind of stir that i came from thirty nine states these weren't and one of the reasons i wrote put the puck is after i left <hes> the governorship you know i spent a year traveling. I went to twenty-five states. I was thinking of running for president meeting with folks and everywhere i went. They asked about charlottesville for them. They didn't quite really how did this happen and you know many thought these were citizens of charlottesville who were the protesters and and virginians which was not the case. They came in all driven by social media. We had been monitoring these groups because when they filed the the permit the state we really you know i i wanna be careful how i say it but our state police undercover operations the f._b._i. Was involved. The d._h._s. was involved. These people were being told via social dark sites to bring weapons into hurt people so we knew at a time you know you talk about some of the lessons in terms of fighting white supremacy white nationalism but also some tactical lessons you talk in terms of how communities that are facing these kinds of <hes> demonstrations demonstrations or rallies if you will <hes> how they can prepare what did what did you learn well. I'll tell you the first in the problem and i do this. I think it's important in the book is as the permanent process that they had and the city of charlottesville and understand an incident like this. You know we the state or in a support roles of the city so i had all my national guard i nearly one thousand state police but were support role just as if a crisis happened in san francisco the mayor and the chief of police would run it in the state would be support but you know so these <hes> knuckleheads filed their petition to come to emancipation park and the permit if you don't act on it within ten days is automatically granted in that ten day period the city should have banned pulls sticks masks should have it never probably should have been at the park of emancipate because too small to small park he he can't keep this is separate but unfortunately the city didn't waiting in the permanent was granted. We no restrictions at all and and i say this pure doom buying but that should have been a much much better monitored situation early on the city. Finally the wednesday before the saturday rally did finally say we gotta move it out of here in as as i talk about in the book the a._c. L. u. sued the city and i'm very tough on the a._c._l._u. I'm very angry and judge on friday night sided with the a._c._l._u. ezio you who is siding with the neo nazis white supremacist to keep it in emancipation park. I'm all for first amendment but if law enforcement says we physically basically cannot protect you because the venue is too small a thousand people with weapons one or two thousand counter protesters in a park. That's the size of someone's someone's backyard physical. You can't control the key to a protest. Keep the two sides separate. They should have had it at mcintyre park. It got out of hand and emancipates. I was just too small. You you wrote about how people would be have to be stacked several high and in fact they found a per permit right after to come to richmond for the lease statue there but that's state property. That's so i was in charge as governor so i immediately suspended. The permit fouled executive order sixty seven and sixty the eight. I'd put out executive order to stop all permanent because that one in richmond john. It's a roundabout in the middle monument avenue love. The permit allowed five thousand people to attend the existing permit to attend at the john f i put him stack them. I'm fifty people high in each other. I couldn't five thousand people so the point is you've got to really look. I tell how charlie baker the governor of massachusetts called me up right after said what advice advice i said charlie because he controlled at the state. I sit your permanent process. You've got him venue and they had a big crowd couple of weeks later but i think they had a mile buffer offer which they grew to decide whether that's the way you want. Do you mentioned that monument lane and enrichment which i've seen it's really kinda strike. It's almost like you're not only in a different era era but in a different country or well let me tell you about the statute. It's important point. If you remember you know you're a history buff revolutionary war star darn virginia with patrick henry gimme liberty gimme death speech at saint john's church it ended in virginia at the battle of yorktown cornwall's defeat it pretty big piece of virginia history st world war one world end world war two big those three instance. I think there were twelve monuments in virginia. Guess how many they are the confederate war war. I would guess three hundred seventy eight. You're very good. Read the book in fact. I wrote that down. I thought that was one of the striking striking figures in your book. Look you mentioned there's something like four hundred twenty nine monuments to <hes> war memorials in virginia three hundred seventy eight or the confederacy see <hes> point on that many of them were built during massive resistance. That's that's you know that's where it was really yeah really striking <hes> what is the status on taking down some of those confederate monuments well things hopefully will change soon but as it exists today no locality. We're a dillan rule state. They're very few states or dillan rule which basically will always have very little power. You couldn't add tax. You can't do anything unless the state eight approves it. The same applies to the monument so no kelly can do anything it's all controlled by the state and the republicans in the legislature will never change it. We have okay great shot this year gentlemen in our house and senate willing you'd one seat in both if the elections were here here today we'd win both and then i think you'd see legislation pass to give local jurisdictions the authority if they wanna take a statue down they should be able to do it. Just as i took as i say the confederate flag off the license plate it is offensive. The confederate war was for the preservation of slavery. There's no other way you cut it. The people who fought on the southern side were traitors to the nation and and they should not be. I mean i understand part of the history but you know there's a lot of great museums and cemeteries were these statues would look great yeah i. I'm interested in your the thoughts on on this rise if you will of white supremacy white nationalism that we've seen or at lea- or at least the demonstration of that we've seen with these shootings shootings and everything that's in charlottesville. What's gone online. Do you think it's always been there. It's been kind of a latent <hes> cancer if you will in the society or is it somehow been incited. I economic insecurities or politicians so she's donald donald trump who are appealing to that yeah. I don't think it's always been there if you think earlier part of our nation's history and you know up through world war two i mean people were proud that they they were immigrants. I mean you know bartholomew. Mccall came in eighteen fifty seven. <hes> you know it was a part of who we were a mosaic tile melting pot of so many folks from around on the globe i think as we move forward i agree with you in income inequality and let's be honest as you mentioned earlier social media and all the other modes roads communication that stir these things up and you know the point. I try to make it on people say well. These mexicans are coming taking our job. I mean john. We have nine million. I think jab openings today in america. There are plenty of jobs. Now you gotta go back and get the skill set. Which is another issue but you know what you need to do and it really believes never been an issue. I do think a seminal moment was obama's election. I think for some people i mean you've had obviously prejudice and issues as it relates to the south and the the slavery issue so that still exists a little bit i mean issues around racism has long been part of southern culture and it's unfortunate and as i say it's part of our criminal justice system and so forth but i think <hes> president obama was assembled moment we've always had it but when he got elected you know now they all folks get all stirred up and then just trump just unleashed it had trump not one and hillary had been in office or any other democrat. We would not be seeing this today. We wouldn't i mean he's created the issue about the border and people coming into this country. You want to keep our borders safe. Of course you want to do it but but the way he is. Is everybody leaving the country. They're coming in rape. Been you know your wife and children and they're stealing and they're all murderers. I mean that's what he'd have. You believe let me ask you about <hes> donald trump you as you mentioned had given some consideration to run for the presidency. <hes> what do you think the roadmap is for a democrat to beat donald trump and in twenty twenty. I mean a lot of democrats. I talked to are pretty nervous about this election. What's good to always be nervous but i'll sit here and you can. We'll play this back after the election. I really think it's very hard for donald trump to win re-election. You know i go to the point that three states in america michigan wisconsin pennsylvania. We lost those three estates by a combined seventy seven thousand votes. There was a lot of voter suppression activities in those states john. We now have a democratic governor wisconsin in in in in michigan but i think what happened in seventy seven thousand votes and people woke up the next day and said holy cow. How did this possibly happen. Ninety two million people did not vote in the the two thousand sixteen election and they will up the next day. Many of them not ninety two million. Many of them said well. We'll we're gonna vote. Next time you saw the first really really were played out was <hes> virginia because we always have our elections after the next year so in two thousand seventeen picked up the most house of delegates in one hundred forty ears in two thousand eighteen we won the house of representatives. We netted seven new governors and eight new state legislative chambers so my point is there's not a hillary state that we won that we're going to lose. I do believe that those three states are back in the democratic calm. You know we you know if anyone can screw it up. We can i mean we have been known to be circular firing squad and full seen it some of these recent debates yeah it it and i've talked nauseam about that but i just think it and i i don't understand the strategy of trump doubled down on this nuttiness you know maybe he believes that they're all of these white nationalist and neo nazis hiding under rocks who didn't vote in sixteen and because of what he's saying. He's going to really get them out to vote. It's not the case in the country and what he is really non college educated women. I mean they have left him in droves independent women so you know as long as you know. We put a good comprehensive plan out there. I honestly don't believe there's any way that trump can win again and i'm hoping we have a big enough movement that we can get the senate back and it's hard we gotta keep alabama if we don't we got to win four seats that's a lot but if we can get the senate i mean the damage that trump's under the country. I worry most about judiciary. I mean generation now. He has shaped the federal courts. That's going to impact us for many years to come that. We get a new democrat in a new senate me we get some but i mean the damage that permanent has been done and i will say to all those ninety two million and you know it's because you're an action voting that you know don't tell me your vote doesn't matter. I'm tired of hearing that i'm still mad about two thousand. I'm still mad added nader <hes> running as an independent causes new hampshire and florida. We never would have gone to iraq. Al gore would have won. I don't know what the hell jill stein was thinking running running as a green independent and she took enough votes in those three states to claw selection. I mean smarten up democrats getting the game final question. If i could governor <hes> you've obviously in this book <hes> every flex you've given a lot of thought to racial issues in the in the state of race relations in this society eddie. Do you see hope or do you think we're entering. We're in the middle of or even sliding into a very difficult period. I see hope and that's why i talk about in the book and john loosen. Is i say collaborate the one thing about charlottesville. It did open people's eyes and people saying well yeah yeah. I guess racism is here. I thought i'd gone away or i was comfortable with it or whatever it may be so. I'm hopeful that people now have woken to it. I i end the chapter by saying people gotta start doing something. They gotta quit talking. You know i don't wanna hear about anymore. Reconciliation commission's bunch of white people sitting around making themselves feel good. We got problems in the country. We can fix it <hes> but it's gonna take leadership from the top. When in the white house is very very very important and i think it was hard for president obama when he got in <hes> they just fought him and all these different different issues. I think with a new democratic president with a democratic house. Maybe senate hopefully senate. Oh i think this will change dramatically but we gotta fix the schools and sentencing in all things i've talked about because there are inherent racist things that exist in our society today that are going to perpetuate it. You know charlottesville show it's here now. We take a sledgehammer and breakdown all those barriers governor terry mcauliffe. Thank you for vision chronicle and with that <hes> that's this addition of. It's all political. I'm john d. s. the editorial page editor. Thank you for listening. I'd like to thank you all for listening to today's episode. I'd like to thank governor mukalla for being being here today and i think john for hosting today's episode and to spencer whitney for producing it and remember whether you're a friend of the clintons are not it's solve political. It's all political as part of the san francisco chronicle podcast network. Audrey cooper is editor in chief. Our music our theme music that we have is cattle call that's written by randy clark and performed by randy clark and close on if you like this show subscribe rate and review it on apple podcasts or wherever you listen for more great journalism like this subscribe to the san francisco chronicle at san francisco chronicle dot com <hes> slash subscribe you can find me on twitter at joe garafolo thanks.
The Alt-Right in American History
"Welcome to the history though Joe podcast. My name is tyler rust. I'm the host for the history DOJ. Oh podcast cast series historian in residence and your host for today's show entitled the importance of Charlottesville to the alt-right. This is the next installment in our continuing series about about the history of white nationalism white identity and white supremacy in American history today. We're taking a closer look at more recent American history the unfortunate events that happened in Charlottesville oh Virginia in two thousand seventeen and our previous podcasts on this issue we've looked at how the alt-right has framed itself in terms of a pseudo religious movement and has constructed fantasy identity around what it means to be white borne out of batholomew and empowered through a sense of exclusion and endangerment government that is provoking violence in the name of an imagined threat of Whiteness in America. This rideau Joe Podcast is provided to you by the history though Joe Blog and if you enjoy what we do here at History Doj oh dot blog you should consider subscribing we all have many benefits to subscribers including alerts when new material is available as well as the ability to receive early access to things like these podcasts and our latest <hes> writing and <hes> an analysis of history. I strongly encourage you to become Thomas Subscriber to history DOJ dot log. It'll help us with our work as well as maintain a entertaining and insightful element that you can enjoy in your day <hes> in your inbox or by going to History Doj Oh job today we're talking about the importance of Charlottesville to the alt-right. The alt-right is a recent movement that has emerged out of a longer history history of white supremacy in American history. We could go back to the very foundations of the nation if we wanted to to see how this white supremacy was incorporated into the institutions and founding documents of the United it states we could also go a little closer in history and take a look at the antebellum period in American history. When the manifest destiny movement sought to spread White anglo-saxon Saxon Protestant Christianity across the North American continent justifying manifest destiny as the will of some divine creature we could go beyond that however and talk about about the redemption of the south after the civil war the idea that whites were under attack because African Americans had a sense of equality under the law and protection the by the government <hes> d this deeply undermined the white supremacy that the south is based upon and in many ways was quote redeemed only through the violence established by the Ku Klux Klan we could go even closer to the president by looking at the revival of the clan that happened in the nineteen twenties as immigration after World War One frightened many whites into thinking their country was being overrun by immigrants that may actually sound familiar to many of the listeners because these are the similar arguments being made today by the president of the United States and his followers indeed the catchphrase of America? I actually comes directly out of the nineteen twenties and the nativist movements that sought to defend white culture from the intermingling of races as they called it we could look even closer time than that to the legal coating of white supremacy through things like voting restrictions and Jim Crow laws that sought to disempower and disenfranchise inch is African Americans for the protection of whites throughout the south end also in the north we could we could talk a little bit about the tradition of red lining tradition that refused to allow now African Americans <hes> equal access to purchase homes find neighborhoods limiting their economic ability and upward mobility. I'll we could talk a little bit about issues such as the G._I.. Bill. which is one of the most significant government interventions into society in American history the G._I.? Bill was of course <hes> guaranteed to servicemen after World War Two to receive low interest interest rate guaranteed loans to buy homes and start businesses and attend college for the first time the deed the G._i.. Bill may be actually <hes> an interesting subject for a future podcast from history Dojo because it it shows again how much of the American dream isn't dependent upon individual achievement but by government picking and choosing winners and unfortunately the G._i.. Bill picked Weitz and chose African Americans to be excluded from its benefits for at least the first ten years of its existence this of course gave whites unsurpassable advantage in economically speaking by giving them at least a ten year had started the building of wealth and continuing to limit the resources and mobility of African Americans like I said we could go on and on and on the evidence is overwhelming that this is a nation that has been <unk> founded by and four the advancement of white people <hes> despite all of its otherwise lip service to the <hes> <hes> the idea of Equality Egalitarian ISM democracy. You're listening to the history dough Joe podcast. My name is Tyler Rust today. We're talking about the importance of Charlottesville to so the alt-right. This is just one of many podcasts available from history DOJ. Oh which you can find if you go to history DOJ oh dot log or look us up on spotify where all of these podcasts are hosted good for you. <hes> please also consider supporting history though Joe at our Patriot on page patriotic dot com slash history DOJ. Oh Charlottesville was shocking shocking moment too many Americans and a definite eye opening experience to those who refuse to see Donald Trump for what he truly is a white nationalist the violence that erupted in Charlottesville in in two thousand Nineteen <unk> C._B.. Two thousand seventeen shocked the nation and was only made worse by the approval of president trump. It was not worse for some however as the events of Charlottesville were actually welcomed to an extent by the alt-right and the adherence of the white nationalist movement the violence in the streets of Charlottesville represented a bold announcement assessment of the emerging White Nationalist Identity Movement in American Politics and society the Torch Lit marches the chantey and the rioting in the streets. All conforms comes to the pseudo religious movement that was described in our earlier post the religion of white. If you're curious to know what that was about please find it on history Dodi blog or on spotify by the alright who organized the events in Charlottesville in two thousand seventeen ultimately denied any responsibility for the violence that took the lives of two police officers news and one protester heather higher but the alright is hardly innocent indeed the denial was to be anticipated as the violence was aggressive and indefensible while defense attorneys offered arguments in court that would appeal to the alright faithful explaining that the killings were actually done in self defense. The reality reality was that the killings were exactly with the alright had long desired they were expressions of white violence in an imagined defense of white identity making sense of the alt-right George Hawley the assistant professor of Political Science at the University of Alabama Obama describes the origins and evolution of the alright it is book making sense of the alright in it. He describes the White Appeal of the movement warning the alt- writer peaceful but that obstacles to their efforts may easily lead them towards violence. I would recommend that you check out. George hollies book making sense of the alt-right. Right and you can find the link to it on history DOE DOD blog using that link will actually help support history Dojo and our work here while also giving you access to a book that'll help you better understand one of the most interesting political movements and one of the most dangerous political movements of the last twenty years Howley's addition to the body of literature on the subject reveals. How how the slow pace of white identity formation has taken place over time this identity emerged from modern American conservatism and the outright has used race to identify itself as distinct from its political origins in the Republican Party? This is very important because it's often times used as a way to disregard any criticisms of the Republican Party by basically shutting down the discussion whenever it's obvious connections to the writer described but it is a historical fact that the Republican Party has been bathing eighty the racism of the all right for its own political ends since the late sixties with <hes> criticism of the modern civil rights movement being incorporated into the Republican Party platform with the words law and order in their call for criminal justice reform the adherence to a law and order platform which also appeared in the two thousand sixteen the Republican platform is a direct reference to the civil disobedience tactics that Dr Martin Luther King Junior and the civil rights movement employed to bring attention to the plight of African Americans Erkin suffering from discrimination under the Jim Crow Laws of the south. The response of law and Order of course is a direct reaction against the equality that was brought to our attention through the civil rights movement and the civil disobedience of course was against the law the Espousal of racial toleration the Republican Party is using in its disregard of the alt-right is is seen as selling out the alright by its members. The outright is zealous in its adherence to race realism as George Holly describes it the idea that you have to be up front and unapologetic about the idea that whites deed a movement movement is considered not to be racist on its face but gala -tarian in its spirit this of course undermines reverses the very logic of the civil rights movement that identifies is the white majority as discriminatory against minorities of all colors creeds and nationalities. This perspective holly asserts is similar to this perspective of earlier white supremacy movements movements in American history such as the progressive movement the eugenics movement and even the Ku Klux Klan in the early twentieth century. These movements tried to masquerade ideals of white supremacy in the form form of scientific expertise. They created racial stereotypes to conform with the laws of for incarcerating minorities claiming that these minorities were criminally insane. You're listening to the history Joe podcast. My name is Tyler Rust and I'm your host for this podcast and today we're talking about the history of the all bright this part of our continuing series on this subject today we're focusing more or upon the <hes> comparison of what happened in Charlottesville with the tradition of white supremacy in American history. If you enjoy these podcasts please consider checking out the newly launched history dough Joe's Astore on History Dojo Dot blog recently we launched a store of history themed products that I think you might find have a sense of humor as well as a sense of style. Please check out the history though Joe's store at History Dojo DOT law the dark lesson of eugenics this dark lesson from history teaches us to beware racist the ideals parading as progressive institutions and sciences. The eugenics movement alone was responsible for the creation of schools for quote defective children unquote institutionalizing. Realizing hundreds of thousands of children for life this is only surpassed. It's evil by the forced sterilization of young women who became pregnant before marriage who suffered this punishment on the grounds of their moral defectiveness after all who could forget the case of buck the bell when the most famous famous jurists Oliver Wendell Holmes agreed that Carrie Buck should be sterilized against her will because as he said quote three generations of imbeciles is enough off the story of Carrie Buck is one that we need to remember because it's not only a lesson in the danger of government power over our lives but also the danger her of a racially motivated and violent movement to defend an imagined white identity Kerry buck was a young girl who became pregnant before marriage orig- this was considered immoral by the white majority running the Protestant Movement of the Early Twentieth Century there answered to any group that was unacceptable in the eyes of this white majority was either incarceration institutionalization or sterilization so they argued that this was acceptable and appropriate easy to pseudoscience claiming that it was in the public health interests to take actions to protect the people from morally defective or criminally insane minorities. Obviously none of this is scientific but the parallels to the current alt-right movement are enlightening the alright currently argues a pseudo religious reasoning behind its defense of white identity claiming that it is under attack by the growing EGALITARIAN ISM and acceptance for minorities in American society when we examined Buck the bell and the plight of Carrie Buck we can see the ultimate summit Ed's of where the alt-right will will go they will eventually use violence to minimize reduce or even eliminate any groups they consider to be unacceptable to they're White Majority Status Carrie Buck and her sad story is just another lesson in the danger of White Identity Politics Carrie Buck represented the negative eugenics effort hard to stamp out traits seen as unwanted while promoting the reproduction of traits in others seen as desirable ultimately these terrible crimes against persons innocent of any wrong were done added the name of white identity much like the promotion of white nationalism today the difference now however is that the racial realism of this all right movement is uncompromising on questions of racial segregation the defense of white identity there is a new apocalyptic theme the alt-right the calls for violent defense of White identity as it is considered under attack by the growth with a minority citizenship and immigration Charlottesville Hashtag Charlottesville is a significant book doc born out of the violence and turmoil of the unite the right rally in Charlottesville Virginia in two thousand seventeen in this book the editor Christopher Howard Woods brings together together riders to reflect on the terrible events themselves and also how they reflected decline of American political and social institutions. I recommend you check out Hashtag Charlottesville by going to history DOJ Joe Dot blog where you can find a link to it in this pot in the post for this podcast as well as the post the we're talking about today the importance of Charlottesville to the alt-right. Right the Hashtag Charlottesville book is a wonderful lead by a variety of different perspectives on the lessons learned from the unite the right rally in Charlottesville through a series of essays Hashtag Charlottesville reveals the perspectives of the white nationalist and alt-right movements its goals and its leadership as well as the impacted had on the larger American politics and Americans of diverse and minority backgrounds one of the contributors Andrew Boyer Works in the United States House of Representatives lives in Charlottesville and attended headed the University of Virginia graduated with a B._A.. In political philosophy in Hashtag Charlottesville Andrew Boyer identifies a key element of the rise of white nationalism born out of a central premise in American American history boyer answer the discourse between other writers like Berry and Hawley who were mentioned in this podcast and in our earlier podcast but with an interesting counter argument seemingly tangential from the being thrust of the Literature Nationalism Boyer describes the emergence of White Nationalism as symptomatic of a breakdown of common bonds the central to the American ideal boyer references Tocqueville explaining. I need that the Common Association of People in Society is bound up through the freedom of speech Alexis de Tocqueville in case. You're not familiar traveled to the United States in the early nineteenth century as the the new United States was becoming a more consolidated and founded republic. His observations on the New Republic of the United States are contained in his seminal work democracy in America and I strongly encourage you spent some time looking through Alexis de Tocqueville's book democracy in America. It should be recalled. We crop required reading for anyone interested in the history of the United States Alexis de Tocqueville's observations in many ways sawed the true soul and spirit of this nation and the themes that he identifies in his book reveal lessons that we can learn and compare to events going forward from that time time for example when Tocqueville talks about how the United States is not a society based around identity or geography but around ideology you get a sense that the United States is a different country from all others that have come before where countries like France Italy Russia can point to their geographic location their language core their traditions. The United States is different Tocqueville identifies the multifaceted elements of the United States as a strength because it doesn't rely on any one trait but upon idea that all these traits combined together other make for something larger and more significant than the pieces that make it up it is a some greater than its parts the freedom to speak for example and also also the freedom to disagree which was identified violence Tocqueville is a strength because this freedom to speak and to disagree and to remain in community with each other is the essence of the American political tradition with the all right fails to see is this requirement of disagreement without being disagreeable but the United States is a country in which unanimity and conformity are antithetical to the foundational principles upon which this country was born. We have to be able to disagree in order to remain as one people you're listening to the history DOJ podcast. My name is Tyler Rust and I'm your host for this podcast today. We're talking about the emergence of the Alt- bright right and the history of white supremacy in American history. We're taking a closer look at Charlottesville and the unfortunate violence that took place there in two thousand seventeen. If you like what you're hearing you could read though about this history though Joe Dot blog. DOC and I would also encourage you to check out the new history dojo store so that once you're done read you can show everyone you're good fashion sense by wearing history dojo themed products both the breakdown of freedom the breakdown of freedom the freedom to disagree. He is represented in our current historical moment white nationalists refused to compromise or coexists. There's zealotry the zealotry of their movement. The willingness to enlist violence makes compromise and apostasy to its adherents white nationalists cannot accept anything less the one hundred per cent agreement with their ideas. What boyer identifies by referencing Alexis de Tocqueville is that this common bond was more important the freedom to speak it essence Americans must say what they will and then not care if they if what they hear it response is unacceptable the idea that boyer presents would appear to be grounded in our history the contradicted by the example of secession of the south end the civil war these refuses to compromise by white supremacists reflects reflects a breakdown of what to Tocqueville identified as our strongest common strength our ideological agreement that we can think differently and live differently and still be one nation surely the ruptures that American politics and society would suggest that this ideological bond that Alexis de Tocqueville saw was perhaps just collusion to interpret to Tocqueville this way and to take this lesson for Charlottesville would suggest that the threat of white identity politics is not just in the form of street violence or even electoral politics what boyer points out in Hashtag Charlottesville is that the breakdown of common bonds the ability to disagree but maintain a common shared love of country? You is more fundamental and that this break maybe the beginning of something much darker and more dangerous it would logically follow them the without the ability to disagree and maintain the shared identity of America the threat of white nationalism the identity is to clean the American nation into to the white nationalism as we saw in Charlottesville isn't just an aberration. It isn't just a few bad people or as president trump said good people on all sides what Charlottesville really shows us is the beginning of a new civil war. I certainly hope that this is not true but if history is any guide we have to responsible enough to identify when it might be this refusal to compromise by the alright this damn to vacation of anyone who speaks out contrary to white identity politics the promotion of white white nationalism by the president of the United States all combined to create the situation that history shows only leads to widespread violence and perhaps the death of the nation Russian just some thoughts for us to think about as we go forward. I hope you've enjoyed this thought the talk these examples that she'll consider going to history dough Joan subscribing to receive alerts when our new articles and materials are available. My name is Tyler Rust and I've been your house for the history Joe podcast series and I hope you've enjoyed our discussion of what Charlottesville means to the alright and I hope you'll consider coming back again to the future for for our next podcast certainly appreciate the time you've given to listen to this and I look forward to you coming back again in the future. Thank you very much.
NPR News: 08-12-2020 4PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Laurie London presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden, and his newly announced choice for vice president. Khama. Harris are making their first public appearance together as running mates at this hour in Wilmington Delaware. NPR's Osma colleague reports the choice to pick Harris was widely seen as a consensus choice even though it is historic many Democrats progressives and moderates were full of praise for Harris and the decision to select a woman of color was seen as particularly impactful for black women who for months had been encouraging Biden to make sure the ticket was diverse harasses the daughter of Indian and Jamaican immigrants. She now steps into a campaign in which the president has often reverted to the politics of racial grievance within hours of the announcement trump was already describing Harris as quote nasty it's a word. He's often used to describe female politicians US MUKALLA NPR news. Three years ago today white supremacists had violent rally in Charlottesville Virginia since then several participants have gone to prison for criminal attacks while another legal action is underway sandy housemen from member station. W.. V. t.f reports that it is a civil suit designed to bankrupt the people who organized unite the right when hundreds of people descended on Charlottesville with torches, guns, confederate and Nazi flags counter protesters demanded they leave the fights that followed seemed spontaneous but Amy Satanic Executive, director of integrity. I for America says violence was planned. So on behalf of people injured during, and after the rally, her organization is two dozen individuals and groups that organized unite the right seeking large civil judgments against them. The case goes before a Federal District Court Judge October, twenty six for NPR news I'm Sandy Houseman in Charlottesville New Zealand officials are investigating the possibility that the country's first covid nineteen infection in more than three months came in through freight. The country's largest city of Auckland reported new cases. This week after the country had just reached one hundred and two days without any known community. Transmission as NPR's Julie McCarthy reports Prime Minister to send a arden is urging New Zealanders not to be complacent masks are not mandatory in Auckland that is locked down again but authorities are releasing five million masks from central supply and the prime minister encouraged people to use them. New Zealand's response to the pandemic had been held up as a model. Now, the new outbreak casts uncertainty over a national elections scheduled next month Anne Pierce Julie. McCarthy reporting stocks ended the day with a rally the Dow closing up two, hundred, Ninety, eight points. This is NPR. The Corona virus is on the rise. Again in France NPR's Eleanor Beardsley reports officials say there's a marked increase of cases in the fifteen to forty four year old age range in mid March there were more than thirty thousand cases a week in France, but two months of lockdown got the virus under control. Now, it's slowly climbing again with more than seven thousand cases. Last week, health officials are urging the French to be vigilant even as they enjoy their August vacation. In the port on the island of our MUCCI vacation or Alice Wa is wearing her mass three are all thinking about September when only are going to go back to school and this will be the big issue I think. But for now, she says people are just trying to enjoy their last weeks of summer vacation eleanor. Beardsley. News. Nor Mu Ta France the Treasury Department says the US budget deficit climb to two point eight, one, trillion in the first ten months of the budget. Year higher than any on record and expected to eventually reach levels more than double the nation's largest recorded annual deficit. That apartment says the government's Ron up a sixty three billion dollar deficit in July relatively modest compared to the months before when the economy ground to a near halt due to the coronavirus outbreak billionaire media mogul sumner redstone has died at the age of ninety seven. He created a media empire from his family's drive in movie chain that included CBS, MTV paramount pictures and Viacom. This is NPR news.
AP Headline News Mar 22 2019 21:00 (EDT)
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