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Asif M Sardar SLB
"It we had a big music, Santa, my brother who is older than me. He was one that would bind the record. So when growing up, we grew very eclectic mix records. We had Bollywood. You know sort of LP's listen to that. One of those. We also had stuff like Dean Martin all the brothers were huge fans Dean Martin, love the singing. Just Frank. Sinatra Dean Martin we had. The PSALMIST PHONE CALL Stuff. That was added. Bridge of trouble with his. Samsan all of that stuff we just listen to the group that set a mixture of both. Asia music. Hello, everyone, and welcome to a new episode of settling Bruce, your podcast, all about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly his fans. But today I guess we should call this book talk because I am having as I love to do writers I I My new friend as of an I have interacted on twitter a lot and I reached out to him I said Hey I know this podcast is about springsteen but I love talking to riders would you want to join me and he was kind enough to say yes welcome to the show my friend. Thank you very much. Yes. He thinks of me on the HSIEH. Yeah. So go ahead, just introduce yourself to the listeners and we'll go from there. Right. So my name's Asif Sada I live in the U. K., I`Ma Malate fifties. I came to the UK from Pakistan when about seven go race. Midland in the UK. Educated and to university, we train medical scientist. So did the quite a bit of Pharmacology Diabetes Research Aids research will stay seniors age, and while says going through I mean you just couldn't escape the comics. One of my first loves was. Reading Comic, Spiderman Comics and then finding out the whole class actions of dipping in bits and bobs dealing with my brother, and we had a huge collection of comics. A slap. Some of them are now but that was my introduction superiors and the love of writing I. Love Stanley's writing and I was sort of writing stuff sketches even when I was a teenager. So when often in Mexico scientists and Like tron looked sort of wants to change A. Winning So since when it was. Seen some forums and other places where they were posting stuff on a Saudi posting some of my sketches. So I was superhero sketches based on all of the comics and did that little while and the realize the penny clicked that these will copyright characters and it wasn't going to get much mileage out of it. So once the. Develop my. Skills as a writer starts look at other sort of stories, original stories, and that's where I sort of ended up over a period of about. Twenty yeah. About fifteen eighteen years writing coming up with ideas of. How genre I'd as a right mysterious finishes oppy right there you do seem to be and You know the phrase all over the board You know they're there you certainly do some comedy. You have a series of Charlotte homes, which is kind of your re imaging of the Sherlock Holmes kind. John. but you also do It looks like I bought the first book, but I haven't read it yet like a trilogy set in in the West. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. That's One. Of the key things I mean some of the stuff as you go through your so develop ideas. One of the things I learned originally to be honest with you hands up I wants to write film scripts. So that was a key thing developing stuff on ideas and obviously you work. Sort of your new look into the industry and I can work and I very quickly realized that there was no one was going to produce a film from Anan Person Look into this. As a slush pile just goes on and touches it. So it became very frustrating and I thought well, this isn't going to really get me anyway because I was I was a damn tum ideas of getting out there writing stuff. So I looked at what was also and at that point kindle cellphone machine came up another words. This is a good way to get that material out there actually control the material mini stocking. Now writer storyteller story my characters in the way once and have it published there as well. So that was why real outlet wall start rice as one of the first things that it was calling force and Teenage Superhero again you of you look to the south right right as a fan fiction kind of thing. But you may take you following the stuff what you've written, and then as you go through that, he's tried to Volvo going forward. So that's what I've seen myself as a writer evolving three time as I said, the Superhero stirfries you do for a little WanNa, you realize. If you like limitation in a sense that envelope he Congo beyond. Looking at the stories. Yeah and I think one of the things I admire about you. And in this is gonNA come across as a criticism and I don't mean it. I have been friends with unknown people that were prolific fan fiction writers. And they they. They enjoy they the IT fits their creativity. You know it scratches that each but that's a that's a fun wading pool. If I can mix my metaphors and input, you're never gonNA get beyond that as a writer if you don't leave that fun. It's it's star trek or supernatural or buffy your whatever genre you want you know sports night west wing fiction in go and find your own characters in your own voice to to push those creative muscles. I mean one days each Buca right? I try to set myself lake. Challenge something. That is sort of unique in that because of the wife you're right in the same book again again it becomes. Boring for the right because boring the reader, you got to make yourself and develop has. Sort of like an a writer as a crater, you artists and one of the key things was said moving away from that sort of fan fiction find fiction has a good purpose. If you look at superheroes in, that's where other Ryan how you work through those. Here's rationally invented to written by other writers. I mean I know Stanley Steve did crazy spiderman but so many of the writers and artists worth on there and because. You can then see how the decades different riders looks different. Aspects of character brought into the characters and play around with a well-established conquer even though it's not around character. So there is that if you like tradition within comics of using the People's characters but as you say right on, it is a waiting pool, it stops you from. Creating. Your own characteristic situation and also it's it is safe because you know you can cook into the People's work and then just write about it. Make Fun of it. Now Tell gags. But at the end, it is limiting because you are working within the constraints of someone else's creation and you can't publish it. That's the biggest thing you do not own that. You gotTA. Respectful with people's intellectual property. Absolutely, and that's that's well sad and and. I. Think you just we just lost any O.`Neil and you joined the many people who on twitter share your admiration You know he took established Green Lantern Green Arrow. I just had Ron Martz on the podcast weeks talking about this and he changed it to a different level. He used those characters in a different way, but he was working for DC, and so I get that and that's it and it is fun. When you read someone take that have you Have you ever pursued writing comics professionally? Well, I did sort of a way back in the eighties I did write a proposal pitch to him marvel. Sending. To their offices and they were kind of response me and they said Yep. This is interesting of is also I did a comedy or humor is very important for me and putting a satire piece about Stanley writing one of these columns and the love that is very funny. But at the end of the day, I was Mariah's seeming clincher. Portfolio staffer done in a mean if you think logically I should have been working in. UK comics making little knife there, and then us not to get into business. You you don't know when you're outside right you don't know how to get through the. You don't even know where the door is of the window is. You need to be shown those things and you need to be told whether this is not in A. Defense does really the whole business world of how things are evaluated on how much stuff comes at them, and they do have filters on. Ways of measuring what's coming through them. Absolutely So I always like to start out kind of. From, the beginning because I do want to talk a little music on here, never talk some more writing. You talked about growing up in Pakistan win. Did you move to the UK? That we would be sixty nine. So I was quite young then. Share sort of. A culture shock you. So you come from Pakistan nice warm climate and we came to England in February and there was like. Three foot snow outside never seen snow before I've seen pictures but never experienced. Oh, my God what is this and we were living in this course rundown house which didn't have proper heating. So we like we were crying, I WANNA go back. This is horrible. But you know you get into your mother and father come from a big family we have. Full Br this resistance. So we got McCain. For Youngster, I, think that's Seven or eight a great time to move because then everything says. Open to experience and you take anything on board and so just coming into the UK then and getting into standing and picking up on the culture because you come to brand new culture, you understand the references you understand the people you don't understand importance one of the key things of charging realized. Still lingers in England to lingerie is how much the? Second. World War had an impact on the British psyche that was very much a we on the wall. You know we were in the right kind of thing, and then the war was all pervasive on TV and films and books people talk about it know there's constant film reminders set. But for us, it was alien we'd experienced for second world will we hadn't been any people who you know Parents or grandparents haven't experienced either whereas if legally those siding should. Through the parents whatever relatives at all. that a common shared bond which explored. So there was a little bit. You learn the culture slowly as you go through. So. did you happen to watch? The film that came out last summer blind by the light. No haven't. Thought about. So the in the reason I'm asking is It is. It is the. The writer is Pakistan and he talks about finding Bruce. This is based on a true story, the book he discovered Bruce Springsteen like in the middle eighties and but a lot of the film is not only him exploring Bruce springsteen finding his voice becoming a writer, but it deals with. Something unusual for me as a a sub a Texan is the the Pakistani Ian Culture and the prejudices that he faced as a young man food and so you you I off. It's a really fun film about becoming passionate and finding your voice not only because it's about Bruce's you know not just Brazil's music but just finding anything that your passion about whether it can be comics or you know or or John Ford Westerns or do or poetry So I think it'd be worth checking in I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how did. You know how to do you know how close does it was something you shared I would look. Good. Yeah. It is. It's really good. He So talk to me. So you shared with me that. A, lot of Different. Kinds of music. So talk to me about what kind of music you're listened to his family and as you're reaching what we call high school teenage years did you did you continue to made toward your music your family's culture music or did you expand to a little more of mainstream UK music show now? Yeah. Absolutely We had a big music center, my brother who is older than me. Buying the record. So when growing up, we grew very eclectic mix records we had bollywood you know sort of LP's listen to that of those. We all sat stuff like Dean, Martin all the brothers were huge fans, Dean Martin. Loved the singing. Frank Sinatra Dean Martin, we had an. The some Funchal we will look to Simon and Garfunkel stuff that was at the. Bridge of trouble. Samsan is all of that stuff we just grew up. So mixture of both western Asia Music and coming into high school as you say. Is Very Much English music, we had the pop charter if you familiar with that but it. On things, Tuesday they would run down to the latest top singles. Yeah, and we'll all listen to them and follow them religiously so very much the late seventies early eighties, music scene I think what sort of turned me off English music to that point was a punk punk came in and that was just up. The energy upon. People sort of going into it was a way of sort of. Arctic screaming therapy all messed if you think about it and for me. The dressed widdly they want address lot I just couldn't see the appeal of it but. I did sort of pick up on meatloaf around that time came with the Bat Outta Hell he's first sort of big l. p. and I love her I thought that was absolutely stunning. One of the key things I sort of look for music is a quality a singer's voice I mean obviously Choon is important but just Quality of MEATLOAF's voices unbelievable I mean you can just feel the deficit strengthen his nose in the control he has over and how he uses it and the album. Album got played a lot our love that album. So I was in threat whereas my brother younger brother is weird. He was into the MoD scene. So it was into the who the kinks and all dressed like maude now is more like a rocker. Yeah. Sort of follow that. What's Interesting is this is a this is a theme I. Hear a lot on the podcast With siblings. as your your example. You had an older brother or sister that helped to influence your music one way or another often either you end up liking their music or you rebel against their music because you wanna find your own and if you're the older brother or sister. That you influence the art runs the same way and i. just think that's a common theme that we share and you it being in the middle. You did it both ways right? Like you absolutely were influenced. Vin. But your younger brother Kinda went to his own path. Absolutely it's how. The stuff is listening to him in the kings and allow grace of the Hugh as well who absolutely beautiful stuff and I was in appreciating that but he was very much of a certain kind of. I remember listening to Lola and that was really funny because the lowest song absolutely brilliant and actually used that one my books. The lyrics around the as kind of a gag pale but that was weird. It went through was that chart falling the records I was into Tennessee. I Love Tennessee dreadlock holiday that was in the charts we actually funny story. You end up having songs and I've got three daughters. So we used to play in the car and they loved it. They absolutely loved it from that period. Also blondie picture this that was another we play that a lot in the dance round blondy was. Huge growing up and I love the song shed a magmatic person. Stunning woman no really really drop dead gorgeous, and share the talent to match. It wasn't just a pretty face. She actually had es talents. So I, I'm. Funny Story I. Think is Pin Gillette from Penn and teller the Magic Act. Yet told the story in his podcast for while he dated Blondie. Oh yeah, and and there were. he and teller working on a gag. This is in I i. assume it's gotTa be the eighties where they were gonNA use the world's largest deck of cards into a car trip. So he was out learning how to run a forklift so that he could shuffle the cards for the magic trip. And he came home. Just, exhausted you know working and applaud he looked at him says, I did not become a Rockstar to F-. Guy Who drives a forklift Yes he. It sounds like they they remained friends and he And and he talks about in the podcast than I need she. She has a book she's written in. It's on my to to read list because it sounds like she shares a lot of herself. I. Agree Amazing. Voice a mailings in talent and in such energy when he performs. So just carry on that sort of mutual yet you're asking. So I went to University University in London my First University for my degree and there are metal load of seeks 'cause the London Sappho is a big community and the Sikhs this give a bit of cultural background. So the Sika Punjabi that's the kind of dialect in India and Pakistan as well and win politician happened I was. Splitting of India and creation Pakistan. The PAJARO which is huge northern region got split into. So half the. Job was on the Indian side seeks mostly and the other half was Pakistani but we have a common language because we grew up with the seeks. My father was huge with seeks had friends would go hunting. And when partition came in had to leave. Very upset and he talked to. His time with the Sikhs and how enjoyed that. So meeting with the Sikhs back a union, almost like a re. Recess of that sort of friendship my father had an had a great time with this week's one of the things that did was introduced me to. Bunger so I don't if. They folk music from the job common to both India and Pakistan and it's very rural. Sort of very folksy goes back years. I'm mother used they sing at weddings and celebrations and so. The key thing as yet dance you dance lot Have you ever seen a? Film Co. Pro. BRIDE AND PREJUDICE Right, which is a deputation of prime but there's a bit where say you turn on screen liable how you do the dancing? Yeah. So that kind of dancing I got into it not only enjoying the music but also we'd go to functions and they'd be a dance of dense around the guys you have a great time. So I got really into a folk music from that side and that just carried on Broza my love for sort of. Asian music and I started to explore Asian music and. The Asian music market is driven by two things. Really it's filming filming a non filming. So filming me means that it's these are songs recorded for film to use playback because actors can't sing. mind to professional singers happens in Hollywood less so. For example My Fair Lady, she didn't sing. Another lady sang those songs. She wasn't capable of doing. So similarly have an Indian film industry. I'm happy sunny these film songs and then you have non film songs which are sort of more. They can vary they range from as I. said folksongs to ballads which like Hustles, which is spoken poetry. Then you can have qualities, which is a religious kind of getting rhythmic thing. Su Style, it was promoted by Nusrat Fateh Ali Han passed away so that. Huge isn't. Of Different types of music, him have out there and so I got into that and one of the key you know just going into that listen to songs on the singers I mean, these guys would just phenomenal for example, in the Indian film industry, the biggest name male playback singer Mohammed Rafi, and I'm a huge fan among referee I was fortunate seem live in constantly passed away and this guy was just immense anything. They could do jazzy do rock honestly the there's a song. In. Because in the sixties they would look at what was happening in the West Year and bring those songs over and obviously the Sixties Beatles. Oh Big Sur. So they had a song, they sort of Indian Bollywood potboilers I wanNA hold your hand. And that was this choon that well lifting slash nick. Tim Say happier that was the sort of trend translation of it, and so you can see how to influence. He was quite amazing but let's say. He Sang that song and he sang goes commodities. Huge Range Amazing Amazing Thailand When as as a Dad What are I'm sure you're sharing all kinds of music with your daughter so Talk to me a little bit about that. What what are some of Y'alls favorite songs sing together and what are things that they you know? My son now has reached the point where. He he embraces all the things that I love and and eating, and we bond with that. But you know in his teenage years, there were certainly some I rolls about things that I was listening to write. Myself I'm very much. Thing is for me my music sense of humor and I love Monty, Python Ola and introduced my girls that are my youngest Mahin she was only about. Seven I think Sam seven half and she got into watching. Monty partner holy grail and she loved it. She absolutely adored and she would always ask me put it on and she just loved the way to sell because he's very weird. This is coconut piece it come up. There's no horse thing why and this? Is Very childish and playful and mass what appeals to them so. They grew up with my sense of. Humor. And also in the car said, we use music and picture. This was just absolute favorite we sing along these. What Sabrina the teenage witch and Matt somebody came on it it cover version of. Blondie song and that also SORTA got played back in a way you. Hook teen the very much. So that was. Those kinds then as we moved forward, lot of Bollywood songs all the latest song you know you'd want when you're watching the films that releasing the big films in the Sun's coming out. They're really some good songs in there and the very much into that funding of my daughter eldest one got married last year. Thank you very much. So awhile ago. But one of the key things that is that you have celebration says parts of the wedding. Ritual festivals you have little ceremonies families get together and the play, the Dole Queue, which is like a drum. And the sing and dance as we had a lot of that last year tons of people come round and that's when they started learned all the songs you know the new it and it's constantly sort of wedding songs put by Bollywood, because it's one of the key things that people like these play, these songs that the enduring wedding receptions. Parties and so there's tons of songs and they were hooked into that and some really really wonderful stuff and the close contact but closed. Fashion is slightly. Off Topic just. Three two orders. Yeah. So. That's full people these advocating and the need out fishing for four different functions. Yeah. So Close yes. Absolutely. You gotta matching alongside that. So there was a lot of close the purchase last That's that's It is My best friend from high school Tony had two daughters and we often talk I only had I had the one son and we talk about the the different advantages of. and. Once you have a child, you're just happy no matter what and and you just see the beauty of raising daughters and he talks about the joy he's had daughters and how much he's enjoyed it and you know and I've talked about just having son joined that so I can imagine My only worry for you as you're outnumbered you and your bride. That's. So. With three, you're outnumbered Oh. Yeah. Absolutely I. I gave it a long time ago. So I was raised my father's and I was ready for my mother and three sisters I'm used to being ordered around more women. That's a great line. So I WANNA talk a few minutes. Tell me about. your Charlotte home series. Talk a little bit about where why you decided. This is something you wanted to explore and share a little bit about it. But. You never know where ideas come from. Let me just backtrack a little bit of for example in. Did a book called CABRAS. Indians, which actually came to me while I was watching the Harrison Ford. Film Cowboys and Aliens Yeah and so I was watching what Kevin? took literally as proper Indians, and just from that question, a ninety sprang up I wrote the book is an Indian. She's actually about pixels gain to India build a theme park, a Western theme park cowboy themed. Fun and what that does is. So you got a culture clash from what people expecting but also, what are these that that thing was? I was looking at cultural imperialism not familiar with the coach imperialism is about promoting your culture across other cultures at the expense indigenous culture. So you haven't of you've sort of cowboys and Indians American culture yeah. Say Fish Peas or last and they promoted through videos magazines songs. Added to the world and people absorb that. But what they take from it is different from what you guys it means to you. Yes. As American when you look at something, you know the history of something like the dodge the dodgers this right the in American cavalry means something to you I. It's taken from film like as you said, Bang on earlier on I'm great fan of Westerns. I'm in a huge huge film buff. Watched the films all the time was crazy. because. If you feel you're on a need to watch film saying. Exactly one follows it through. So just the western. My favorite film actually is a Rio Bravo with John Wayne and Dean Martin because that's a wonderfully underplayed. Piece around about responsibility and of change is he real change in people? Also said, she has a love searches the obsessive search door which so before his niece which goes over seven years story. And we can do a whole hour talking about John Ford. I. I did I just recently in fact, just last Sunday stagecoach was on a turner classics re watched it and I was amazed that just the beauty of it and in. In how they had. This seems cliche now but at the time it wasn't it was you know the setting this up and the man who shot Liberty Valance I absolutely agree with searchers is just Amazing. so that And the way they weave in the other story lines that are very light in. You know we see what's happening outside of the search Tackle the very, very rural subject right which I think is pertinent now in America and Miss Congeniality about mixing of the races, a lot of people are against here the in that film John. Wayne's character driven by hatred of that and he's out to rescue knees but to kill her because she's attained on the family and he's a wonderful, it's a very dr theme to explore right around that side and then he's reversal. Film there was going to be surprised. Then he's realization that you his love for his niece Trimbe. Stat is a wonderful sort of revelation beautifully into plate understated, and at the end when the he walks around the doors closed, which is a wonderful circle of peace by John Ford because the film opens with the door film Oh door opening and the guy coming. Yeah. So Any finishes leaving wonderful thing but he shows he wasn't never part of that lie. Like. Rectified stake that had happened, but he was never going to be part of their life. So it's wonderful. Side you know melancholy piece if you look at it in that way, but wonderful themes in that film. Absolutely. So your anyway. So you're you're just sitting off the point yes. But that's that's we we tend to do that here on settlers thinkers so i. I did want to share one. Told me when you mentioned the the going out in the theme park There was a point at a previous job where you know it's Halloween in every stressing up. And And we were in the big auditorium and so everyone was coming by. So we could judge everyone's costume right and the narrator or you know the kind of. MC The person hosting says okay and and today we have a name, the two people and I remember Jay but I can't remember the guy but we have a cowboy and Indian and so in the guy walked in with a Dallas Cowboy football. Jersey And Jay was in a traditional Indian garb with the Rove's her everything, and they kind of and everyone just rolled because right Cowan Indian. You immediately have the image of You're right the fifties and sixties Western right and to play with that was just a lot of fun and they got they did very well on the dress context. Yes Right back to. Sean home series came out really looking up toward with the idea of doing. Something we shall combs rybeck twisting is slightly one of the key things as. Shallow homes FEMA is a woman. Obviously, her companion is an Indian doctor I wanNA really wanted to do was look at people on the. Margin of Staff Society, yeah because in that society, which is very Patriarchal and so. Run by the men for her she's coming out of A. Miscarriage. So she's suffering from depression and in those Victorian Times foist depression was treatable locking the woman up. post-natal depression but she's locked up now you see character you if you give then exceptional intellectual intellectuals equality and then you balance the to say the issues feel like you know mentally fractured suffering through depression but she's very very smart. She understand what's going on and tries to sell. So say that character whose if you like ostracized for being woman slightly at also being a famous carriage and you say the characteristic. Who is an Indian, who is very much living under the rule of the British and you put them together. You can then that was to ideas because you never had sherlock holmes explored as a person. Had Him. He had one of his great loaves was one of the villainous in there and she forget the name Irena I think as night. Yup and so that was the only kind of emotional attachment you had with homes and the other one I can. Remember the is his. Resemble with his brother Moriarty Not Moriarty. Sorry. My craft. Yes. My craft in at the Home Office. So they were the to family things we had with the original here. You can take that little bit further explore feelings about what had happened to her completely put a new spin on it that was where those came from and the first story almost. Not. Raise royalty sappy. Workout part of a water once these two people and I wanted to not a relationship in the sense of you know sexual romantic relations. But I wanted a equal relationship where she was suffering from a central expression and he was offering her assistance as a doctor and if you. Didn't try make him. The trouble with. The nargile Bruce Interpretation of Watson is it turns into clam now, which is great for those films right? That's not how the books written. If you be the books, this actually is the doctor he goes in the. War In that period right and he knows a bit about if he's traveled. How trade is that when he's writing journals is a little bit of a disservice to the original character. So I try to make him quite A. Bit Not not be such food, but obviously, he's still amazed by talent I mean, that's The to Kate and then he treats through and they cause reinstalled that I mystery and once I was putting that plot together was writing accuracy that I wanted because we've created some Crazy characters. Random. Story's popping ass which to tell. So that's I went forward and. I think. You've not come to yet but later on the book. I think flesh on the end Charlotte's younger brother comes appears Bradwell now brown will. Just, Backtrack Luke Bryan will is named after Charlotte Bronte's brother. Brown well, now, the Broncos will wonderful right as you know and I'm a huge fan of their work and so Charlotte is named in honour sharp ron say ron was named after brother and there's also little through the book around. For example the miscarriage that Charlotte was a female and she named him let which is actually book by Charlotte Brown say so little homemade use. Like math and so brand-new. brandies. Is gained because this whole series part parody like version of what you already know. So now you have Oklahoma's a woman. Who has smarter brother MICR off that she has a brother brand-new. So he socially. Inept he just comes out and says, staff is rude. He's obnoxiously very much taken up with being the superior English office environment. So you got someone but he's Quite easy to paint him as. Spoken run dimensional, but you have to go beyond that one of the things I learned. What does it universities? The leaking people? They're not stupid that can get there for being stupid. They haven't been in power for hundred years through being stupid. Yeah. They are very intelligent. What you have is cultural ignorance. They not familiar with the coaches you make assumptions whatever. So that's where the weakness lies but. inherently. At his people that are very the people. So that's one of the things that made sure that I didn't making stupid at one kind of character was given death, and then as the story progressed using more and more because one of the key things when you how was. Writing Christmas in Calcutta which are found was when you write your first person everything that happens must happen to the narrator something can happen off stage because rated as an herb that is how do you say that? So that Mu- very much. defined the plot and when I was passing the second because it wow, this is really limiting for example, read Chila Kuhn's original stuff Luca. But he he talks about this very famous scene where they start a fire to see where some hidden something and they go rescue the object they want to save think photo something armament, and that's how you track them but. In films always shown us as is live but actually in the book is written as a flashback. Yeah. So because the narrator yes be totally stuff and that slows things down a lot. So that's why for the second book what I did was I said No. Uncouple and demanded that I have. Not. The. Narrator there. So what I did was created to narrators. Used going forward is the narrator get shallow her voice. So she writes from her as well in the second book. So that was. So that was way exploiting again tried to set myself a challenge and that was challenge how to Charlotte Right. So for Charlotte I'm not giving away but for Charlotte to look for something biblical modern and I, looked at the. Wolf sort of way the he's right and history of consciousness. So Mrs Dalloway all that stuff is very much A. Atmospheric. Rather than a meticulous documentation what's going on? It's more of a feeling of an atmosphere of a you know. and. That's what I wants to do with the shallow character because in the second book but. She returns back to read out the family home sort of fled from, and she sur deal with the feelings around that of the loss of has been all that stuff. So there was two narrators speaking and you could use that she could have. CHARLOTTE, Nissan around you could have. And the plot then bring them together and you could carry on with the nation. So that's how I solve that problem. So the Fed one, a birthday Bombay. So that was pastoring shove third one birth Bombay. Again, the plot demanded so was really into the segments of challenge and I'm not one for okay. Out What was going to? Charlotte but what I wanted to do was gay brand will his voice now brand new? Star was gain another way of saying how do you write Brian? Well, it's the way approach. Bama was. The. Stuff from the Nineteen Twenties and thirties out being written two books, for example, thirty nine steps. The riddle of the sands, all that stuff that very much nineteen thirties empire kind of stories you know boyzone stuff and row team as a third person. So he's peaking by himself the third person but really matt slightly sort of you know over the top empire kind of stuff. So that's what happened in that book. So as I say keep. Developing different things in stories and those stories I mean now as of gone into them, explore them for the full quartet. Caucus Calcutta Quartet. Setting knows her story the last one the horrible hall just to finish off. So that was done. Finished an February march time again they. brand-new narration was very successful I flew it gave me a lot of freedom to do stuff because you could. Then if you think about it, you vote and riding his first person, right Ronald. Writings the third person. So he was a nice vote dropping between two different. Writing Styles and be able to describe stuff induce things that weren't but wouldn't do sort of thing, and that's what I didn't stay fourth one as well. The horrible game brandman rates large chunk of it, but in narrates large chunk but what also does is Previously, button wrote about himself and Brand Bremmer Rosebud himself on his own there, you could twist it. You can have brand new writing about the narrator. So you'll viewpoint of the narrator is flit to the other narrator. So that kind of stuff you can play around within the books when you have those kind of narrators and I think one of the things that it sounds like you're saying an accent I'm excited about I've started the I. Look I i. am enjoying it so far and I was curious about and and I it sounds like you've answered it recently someone. And I don't remember who it may have been wrong. But someone else tweeted, Hey, don't know who needs to know this but if you have a If you're to leads are female and Male, you do not have to get them together and and I. it sounds like that's a conscious decision of. You want them to be equal to have friendships, but there doesn't necessarily need to be a romance nature in it. Absolutely I don't think you hit the nail on the head anything the classic example I a few when. Moonlighting. Cybill, shepherd and Bruce. Trust name Bruce Willis she's police. Yeah. So they had that chemistry will they won't they for couple of seasons? Yeah and that was really fun because they were. Is Tease wasn't it was that really well, and that the tension the mini fell show the. The atmosphere went from Matt series and they lost their way struggle and try to go back and break them up again. But they've done the damage. That's I always think when you put a sexual relationship between two characters, change the dynamics it has to change it, and that's why they want to do that with these characters had no. She's beyond that. You know this is not about other. If once you go through the other two books. To horrible hall, you'll see how that friendship. Is quite central to them. Because, at one point, Charlotte says to what happens is that people start telling button. Listen. To away funding. She's Lou Nina husband another say you know she's mentally distressed and she says, she knows this is happening she doesn't. Be Constant to me. You know these stick basically and that is a theme that I follow through with the other folks three books is about how can you do that because? One of the key things we've often is. He becomes. Enraged just this British per- perpetrating in India. In the fourth book he finds that something about his father which makes him even more anti-british at that point he's torn between does he follow the national listen to have an anti-british agenda and what happens to these friendships? CHARLOTTE, how does he balance that out so? There's things you can play around with our point of our. No, he's been concentrated, but at the same time. How do you balance the personally gave the political yeah. That's what. For me not point. Yeah I promise I know. One of the things I have had I've been fan of of TV series especially where You know they decided the last minute. Oh well, our leads they need to be They need to have a romantic ending and it's like no I. Think it's perfectly okay to have a bond that is just friendships i. Appreciate that I think it's GonNa make it for an interesting story and telling. So. Well done. So, just finish off on the Charlie's. So what I've done is I mean you you think I'm crazy but basic plan them out. For the next, the whole series is a finite series ongoing series and what he does have a quartet session staircase we're dealing with the early nineteen hundreds. The next book which is a wedding in Winchester? Initiation played Stanley for that. But that's set ten years for would soon after the events of the whole is jumped ten years and you start to see what story's going on there saying the wedding and winchester this is again. Expanding Charlotte's. If you like explosive family background. Mentioned some of the. Books and now look at her parents what I'm to them will consist. Will occur strange brother and those. That mapping out of Charlotte and so what does planning that? Well. We looked at this would never think this is Sherlock Holmes Story. This is something else now and over the course of the full books, the characters in the situation involved and they're still mysteries they I mean they will solve a mystery in all the books, but it's much more different ice these counter driving themselves homeless now because they have their own, they may decisions in the books and now they're gonna, live through those. Books as. The next Quartet Kensington Court had essentially the nine hundred. And it goes through the nineteen. Ten's right through the first World War and is quite important. The first of all will plays point part in it because when the key things. Of the recruitment in India, the Indians vote for the First World War as consequence of that, they were promised, there would be independence. So that is a little thing that narrative place through those folks that you love this one. so that's the nineteenth that's stories are working on the. Wedding Winchester I'm hoping to write an autumn once. Things calm down a bit but then the next set of Quartet set in America nineteen twenty s and that's going to be is called the Yankee Quartet and that's four story setting America. So roughly planned them out where they are go from. East, coast to west coast the stories now from Erica and also. In American characters for a given example, right The first book and the American called Yankee will be a native New York. In New York and he's views and a sort of experiences of that and you have Charlotte in there as well. Sort of exploring the mystery. So as I, say, that's set in the nineteen twenties in American I think that's a very important period for the Americans as well. You come out you know he's a growth. Wills the world is changing films. You Know How you consume said literature all of that stuff you got the Wall Street crash that comes out of that as well and you've got. Excuse me. Almost seeds of fascism being sewn ready for conflict in. Nineteen. Thirties. That's why wants to folks just America says four story setting. America around that period. and. Then this full story set around the Empire in the nineteen thirties again that be South Africa? Australia places where the British were connected in the. Experience of the British being made for example in. Destroy one very much interested in exploring the aborigines the point of these invaders if you can have experienced it so you bring stuffiness you saw explore the stories and finally this the final three stories set in India in the nineteen forties as partition occurs and the British leave in Charlotte. So she leaves. So there's a whole story ends up which are giving away, but Charlotte has to go back to England. So that's how the complete series finishes but that's the plan reflect the head of al I'm GonNa Nice I liked that I liked that a lot. So. You know there is a purpose in a drive towards that and other say. You know try something a self challenges. For example, giving a horrible hall I came to do a piece. In Indian films have classical. It's called merger, which is basically a cortisone dances for the rich man of the mogul with Prince, and they sing the down at the same time very common theme in Indian Film Right. Now. That really is a very filmmaking visual kind of thing, and then I challenge me was how do I capture that in writing? How do I capture the flow, the rhythm and emotions of that scene in a writing. So the challenge in the whole world was to the section. Rational not one the horror is really about. Maharaja Asks Charlotte. To investigate this. courtesans. All right and he thinks she's his legitimate daughter from another affair he had. So they go in and look at this court is what she does and so you have to describe the whole world at the court. He's on how the grim had a practice, what the purpose is around what they doing and that then the dance and catching the lyrics. So you have to have lyrics the words in there I'm conveys emotion when she's dancing. So that was a challenge in that book was to capture that for reader that you'd get dancing in the moon and swaying we're still have lyrics which have meaning to the narration and the whole drive of the story. Yeah, it was fun. It sounds like. It sounds really great. So I did want ask Why what about why marvel instead of DC and that's not a judgement I'm just curious was there anything you just worked out that way? was there something that drove that? I think it was basic for marble. Small in the early edition reprinting the UK indium telly `seventies spiderman all the early stuff. So got into that I'd read some. DC Comics. The comes from the fifties and early sixties very much A. Incredible situation on the cover and at a very answer. Yeah and wasn't any sort of continuity around that whereas you read marvel and you read an issue did coincide wait a minute WanNa know how's the next character and they did carry on those teams you know across the issues and that kind of gave you an investment in that character that you learning something we tweak whereas. The DC stuff. Some of the early stuff was very much like A. Sugar Snack you took it and I was at you know you enjoy the enjoy the Batman Superman fighting but when he's over, it felt inconsequential. So that's why sort of if you like ended up being a lot more model and once you get into marvel and very clever with the mall, the universe it's not. Having anything lined up. So bus sucking read is into the titles that's about. Five comic of on the cover of a daredevil issue people picking up despite him Spiderman and I can see how you used moat that across there. Were witness worked very well obviously, they got stuck because it was so much continuity that couldn't carry on but as I said a went through Misha like my comic education. Started picking the DC stuff I mean a huge fan of the. Alex Cross work on the. Frank. Milas. My absolute. Stunning. Year one is well Batman is wonderful. The new Latin Greener, Lanta stuff stuff took. All is up I'm just looking turning around looking at my. Collection of comic books in Princeton. Tons of DC stuff in there but I think. Dot Marvel as a joiner because. The landscape is big and you can take from the DC is the landscape has key towers key high points characters ample. Excuse me. I'm looking now the superman story did all starts with man but Morrison and quickly Nice. Absolutely. Amazing. That's a wonderful almost childlike view of Superman but Dan Sane hellishly where. He's dying and he's served. At the arts tastic. So you enjoy ste nine justified justice league's well watchmen huge youth work. So it's not exclusively marble. It is very much looking at what is the high points in the news in going for the? Batman Hush Wonderful Wonderful Story Yeah mine copy of AC. The artwork that was absolutely stunning. Some of the best of that have been put out that. It really was I I'm a little. I'm about ten years older than you. I was born in fifty, nine and So I I grew up reading DC comics partly for the very reason you are I. There is no consistent way me getting comics and so DC comics always gave me a full story versus like if you got spiderman or a fantastic four or an iron man you, you would only get half a story sometimes. It felt like it now and and so and then much like you when I developed when I was able to have my own money and was able to by incoming site developed a great love for the Marvel Universe and so but you tend to. you go to what you love as a kid kind of I don't know if your doctor who fan right but you tend to people say their doctor is the doctor they watched when they were growing up tins either they enjoy the others. Yeah. This is great. I've had so much fun. What have I not asked you that I should have Been Good why I think one question would be why do I write? Thing that was weird background because of course, as I say, a lot of medical knowledge and a lot of it knowledge now. Rice increasing I. Think if I said anything was these stories running around in my head and put on paper the one go away. After I I think I've heard that from other writers than I do think that's One of the things that you in fact Isaac Asimov had a short story about that there I don't remember I just remember the punch line the the premise was that it was the day in life of like a network executive. But at the time think of you would in his world It was not films it was like You're immersed like in three D virtual reality, but he didn't call it that but it was virtual reality and they're in the head different meals and different meetings and one of them were writer quits and and the executives like, yeah no problem. No, I'm GonNa let you out of your contract and We'll go away and so the follow up the assistance like, wow, you've lost one of your best riders he goes I had three meetings today in this last one with riders the only one I'm not worried about. When you're like him, you can't stop writing. and My me giving him the advantage you don't have to I know he will come back because he has to write it. It's an and I remember that and I when I when I read interviews with writers and I talk about that, you know. Right like do you get your ideas in their everywhere because the way your mind works as a writer everything is potential story and everything kicked something else you kind of throw it in your mind like, Oh, I could use that later. Oh, I might be able to work that. So I appreciate you sharing your process. It's one of the key things you hit the nail on the head right when you see something as Ryan to you have to flip it. For example there was. A British journalist who's kept hostage in Beirut for a long time and he was released on lot big big sort of thing about in the media. And I thought wait a minute he had go fend. She was on a loan for years. How did she cope with the? She actually seeks solace with someone else what happened to her so suddenly for me, the story wasn't about him was about the people he left behind. So they you could start to imagine a world, imagine a character and then imagine situations, and then you conflict would be interesting to write about. Yeah, exactly. That's that's. What and I think that what if like? Okay. Let me look at this image is really why that's good all so we'll wrap it up I've kept you on our I'm sorry but no, I enjoy those. Talking to guessing. All right. So here's. The last question is the Mary question for those. You have not heard the podcast before Jay Armstrong is a writer in He is a English teacher in the Philadelphia Area and he teaches honors English and his senior class every year they take two days. He takes the lyrics from Bruce springsteen's thunder road. they explore them they look at the imagery they look at the different of allusions. Bruce's making he compares to Robert. Frost's the road not taken. And then at the end of the two days, he asked his class does Mary get in the car So we haven't talked much about Bruce but I did give you the homework assignment to listen to thunder road and read the lyrics. So the question of is. In your opinion does Mary get in the car. You're here. So. This is a very good question. That it is. I think she does you okay because I think office hope. Yes I I think that's a fair thought There is an and what do you think Jesse? Do you think he gets in the car or not? Well, I grew up watching Walt Disney comic of. Movies. So I am a firm believer in the happy ending. So I absolutely do I actually have a I didn't episode two episodes where I took about thirty thirty five answers that I've gotten when I asked this question and put them all together and then I sent the recording to Jay and then Jay joined me for an episode where we discussed the different answers and the it is become Schroeder's. Park. Questions Right. Like it depends some of my favorite. Is that berries afraid because getting in the car is choosing to leave her life into Google it goes something new and that's scary and so is she going to let fear over her I? Don't know other people said, of course, it's Bruce springsteen asked you to ride with them. Why wouldn't you? Others give no, he says, Hey, you beauty. You're all right now she's GonNa. Find someone who does thinks she's a beauty. I think my favorite answer I should write down who said this, but he said it depends he said if the whole band is doing thunder road and she gets in the car because the end of the song is the whole band playing off with the Saxophone Solo and the joy that is them a celebration of them going off together when he knows it Solo. and. He plays it out with him humming and kind of it's a Satur- in the know if he's doing it so she doesn't get in the car driving off by himself. That's really interesting. Put. Something else to your right. So this is interesting at appreciate what you think of this. So one of the. Things, I did when I was writing I. Try To. Is Donelson. Dot. Dot. Book. About sort of short story about. Come across but as innovation at actually called Glenda Jackson interested in the project fell through one of these things. But the key thing about book is called the blank page of you ever come across that stone. Okay so it's a little little explain what it is right and then I landed within a question and it'll explain to you how writers thing as well. So I don isn't he is A. Catholic was real name she wrote out of Africa as well. But this short story called blind pages pound. A monastery where does a bunch of non sue sort of look after stuff? What they do is they have special place where the noble families when they the daughter gets married. After the wedding night, they hold the sheet bedsheet here with the blood stained to show that this. Girl was virgin. So and what they do then is the nuns cut that out and the frame it in the monastery and put a name underneath he's saying. And so that is a testament to. That person's. Virtuosity. And one of the key pieces. One, that tracks the most. is just a blank piece of white sheet. and. That's so the question there is like, wow, what happened? Why is that blind cry? So that triggers officer question you. Always. Wants she wasn't right. But what if it was the guy's fault? He couldn't do the business. Yeah. This shit accurate. So you start unwrapping and you see one of the possibilities are there about that story, and so you can see how the blank page spies more questions a more sort of a answers Iran could have occurred than the actual. Normal one if you like with the stain on it. So the absence information urges the reader to try and fill out in. Well, yeah. Like as a as a high school student, we read the Lady of the tiger. Had that famous short story that where In and they set the where The the young man is is, is choice to pick between a two doors. One of them has a beautiful woman. The other one is a tiger that's gonNA kill him and the princess that he's having in the affair with knows which ones witch and she points to the door and he opens the door knowing that she would not kill him. But the princess a jealous person and so if he picks the lady, they will go often she will never have him right. and. So the the author doesn't give the answer. Yes and and as a as a high school student I hated that I hated I want to know what's the right answer? as someone who sixty one I understand that it doesn't matter. I. I mentioned Isaac Asimov earlier in his one of his autobiography. He talks about he was at a lecture and. He he's talking about a story in a you know someone says with Dr. Asimov, that's not what the stories about. And Isaac says well, I wrote it. I would think I. Know What it's about. Says Well, Dr Asma off just because you wrote it what makes you think you know what it's about? And and in the book Isaac stopped he said and he went I, think you're right? And he says in ever since then I've never assumed that what my readers I know what I meant when I wrote it but that doesn't necessarily mean what my readers are getting out of it and I will never assume that they're wrong. Absolutely. One of the key things found is as. The stories then people read them and they sort of reviewed them very favorably is on what they pick on is what I thought. They would sort of pick up on yeh was. that. These characters you create a life own and the read it becomes quite possessive about them. But in a good way I mean inside with them and they will, and then if they you do something which they think that character I think that a law I think star wars. The whole last one last night or people about that. He's about I didn't expect you to that. Well, you know you human something you're not creating it. So therefore, the need to do that I mean, that's why people get very much obsessed about my but she never do that in Harry what would ever do that which is. Interesting observation. As you write your learn people do take on ownership of these characters and stories and they expect you to you know be faithful to the understanding of character, which isn't always the. Ground with exploring, you want grind, which has you know difficult decisions moral choices. Ashley as a writer you WanNa? Be Not like you know you said lived happily ever after all nothing happened. Wants to read that, he wants to write that. I, I've shared this story before and Lawrence. Block is a brilliant Mr Writer. And and he had a series of he has a series of novels where the main character Matthew, scudder and they're in toward the end of the series He is having an affair, but did he is he is living with ellen new used to be a former prostitute. And at the end of the Book Win Win The books as reader. We know he's having an affair and she looks at him and says, you know I love you. And I know you love me and you are giving me everything I need in a relationship and there is nothing else I need from you and I just need you to know that. And so at a signing, I asked Mr. Block I said. I said reading that tells me that Ellen knows he's having an affair and she doesn't care either because of her background or because she knows. All her needs in the relationship being met. And he looked at me and he says I think that's what it means to. And I love the idea that as the writer he's like, yeah, I think that's what she thinks. I think she knows something may be going on and instead of him looking at me go yep that's exactly what I meant. He said Yup I think that is what ears thinking and leaving it open. To that is says so much about the writing process and how. In you said it really well, it's it's is a partnership you put it out there, but your readers will pick up what they need or want to see and bring it their own way. For example I want keep things. That was how many people lashed not lash brooks into the Harry Potter being an often and you know being neglected and. That sort of child feelings of sort of neglect abandonment was very much what played into that people in always you don't have to be abandoned emphasized. Hooked into that and also the whole media of. High Pot was back school and all that people really. Just. As you said as spot on the lookout character and they take from me what they see that characterized me, there's some example I mean we're talking way. Way over our time. Yes. There's so many things we can see that captured being shown as isn't what the cow we take away from character. Yeah absolutely. Absolutely. Well, okay. If someone wants to. Interact with you find your books, tell them how they can do it. Absolutely straightforward got onto. Amazon kindle and search for an. Essay. And you'll see Malysz things of fourteen books up there and got a few plan as we spoke about in the podcast and your twitter handle. At Am Sada or one would all right perfect i. hope you had fun. I had a blast. This was so much. It was so interesting they had a great discussion I. Hope You're staying safe in your family is staying safe during this very time. Yeah absolutely. Thank you. Found me Jesse ever really appreciate about I. appreciate it to listeners you stay safe. Remember to wash your hands, do your social titians and for good sakes wear a mask and take care of yourself and we'll talk to you soon my. bought. It is very much. So I mean, I've got background in. Medical Sciences so used to looking at the. Way Spreading out people, dealing with its. ILLUSTRATE CERTAIN LACK OF A. Stems from people understanding science, not trusting and believing in rumors and gossip, and that just causes and spreading those social media and I just grosses you know. Uncertainty and people if people have certain message in the behave this way, you could control a lot better 'cause Disneyland of sharing how you can control it with you know a dedicated targeted kind of approach but this piecemeal approach it's not good anyway. No no no. I appreciate that and I may tack this on as a in insert this because this is. My worry in and I'm sure I'm not saying anything unusual is it's the political size, the political way. That this has become an issue my thinking in the UK but especially here in the US where. I'm not wearing a mask because you can't infringe my freedom not or you know that means I make a stupid liberal. Instead of just, no, it's the right thing to do. Even if you don't think it works. You know what? How does it hurt? You just heard the fun. Hard. Rock music of album raking. Band Thinking Joyce Spreading. LEERING breeding story sharing. That is the one the. Settlers Bruce. Said Listen Bruce is part of the southgate media podcast group. The theme for settling. Bruce. was written by David Roseanne used by permission. The absolutely right a way I say. American. got themselves a little bit of twist the right wing whether sort of. The belief in self determination self freedom that your sponsor your actions is fine for a frontier pioneering car society we on your own. But in societal community here where you're mixing people you going interacting then you have to have certain social norms don't. Do other things socially because it's not acceptable and doesn't because Cuts down your. Personal Freedom is. Good as well how you approach it and how societies working is that you have a set norms and you follow. and. One of those is that if you expect shows you take risk, you don't infect the people you even if you don't want to safest, why would you not? Want to go beyond that. At least you have responsibility people say I don't affect those people they could be. Vulnerable could be high risk, and that's why you WanNa try avoid but it seems they've got themselves in a bit of a twist now he's all about come. Very cultural hasn't it? It has.