6 Episode results for "Charlie Hunt"
Has 'stop Boris' given way to 'stop Rory'?
"Unwelcome tea coffee house, shorts spectators takes. Macos reeling from last night's televised to relieve ship, hostas case, did you have a main takeaway from it of that? You would just glad that the case was over. Messi, I'm not sure he wanted the BBC one when needed that debate was a format which I think, I mean, a lot of pressure and Boris Johnson ahead of this thing that this guy's at this myself. This is a risk of him in the end didn't feel that risky for him. I think partly because you having five candidates going free and no one was quite sure how many candidates would be in this debate, because we had the second ballot just before it was only Dominic Robb was knocked out. And I think the fact that you had five people debating men, there is harder to pick that person down and also the format which was questions for members of the public from GD down the line meant almost have to censor. The content is very eager to please specific person and spent about half, they're often given that person compliments. Saying how much they respect them and the hardships had been free role in actually getting to the topic of what they would do to solve that agreed with the point to the policy would be. And then you at times back to the past, and then give their verdict. I think in that sense. I thought Charlie hunt did quite well at least an Oxford because there was one question on tax. And I think you can really ever seen it better. Hebrew, Jami hunts team if it's interesting which is the idea that this man taback has had Jeremy hunt's on his right. Good. Thank you, Jeremy Rory. You're talking rubbish, given that Jeremy hunt's campaign has lost momentum in ROY juice gained that was very good for that team think such Javid really came through, and much more combative and raise him to get himself into the debate into the leadership race, even in a way that he has struggled today. And I suppose Johnson, I mean, I think we can get onto the question on his love affair BIA and the questions surrounding it, but I would say that was probably his. Difficult answer. But even then I think he was re dented by that. I didn't think it was a show stopping performance that inspired the nation to Bros. Johnson is the man to lead the toys to win a majority. But a dating had dentists campaign anyway. So therefore, I think the Boris Johnson team will be happy of it. The big thing is that momentum was checks the other candidates made a concerted effort to get off to him. And. Voice should have responded. I mean, most people expected Royster to Geico Boris Johnson. I ended up going all of the candidates on state very struck by a few minutes on debate an MP coping. He's undeclared who is precisely the kind of person where we stood needs. He's going to get to the final two and he was very cross voice because he felt that ruse to trash the entire to rebrand. I mean Muslim quite happy, if trash the Boris brand, but he thought that the attacks on going over candidates are being out of touch with reality and Suzy extending that from Brexit entire domestic agenda hundred irritated this person. So I mean, you combine that with the concerted Brexit effort to get him off the vote today, and I stood momentum has definitely been checked case. He's right at the format meant that, that no candidate got pinned down. So in a way that didn't have the danger image was gonna forensic examination, always questions. I was. Something else, which is Berge chemically urged him not Wade into controversy. But as the debate went on you could see that he was getting itchy finger. And then he wanted to get in more and more more. And not last third of debate, he was doing more and the end he really wanted to come back in, and I'm gonna make time now I've got to end this. But you could tell this is going to be one of challenges. He is no Titian who likes being told to play it safe, even though that is his campaign's strategy at the moment. Do you think he's going to be the strategy? Once it goes to the membership. No hunch is when it comes to the membership he will try and turn those hostages almost into rallies the audience, there, there's hustings will be by definition of Tory members and he will try on them up and get them going and make it feel much more like a rally raw than debate between two candidates. And I think that obviously the great of a sense of inevitability about his candidacy, the. Easier that will be do for him. And also this question of who is opponent is matters so much catered you think the conservative is a whole came out, well from those debase, not massively. I mean, I think that it was a bit of news to some degree because it's been lots of criticism facts to contest of which the people get to say, very, very small percentage of the population and the public going to have to have this person this prime minister. So there for it shouldn't be taking face behind closed doors. I think they're at two audiences in this tour contest. And one is the people get to say so MP's members. So I think you can see why lots of MP's think this is over job into fee. But clearly have to remind to the vote ins I think as they weren't going to do debates. It, it would be a bad lick. They weren't going to do any of these entities and so forth. I think as soon as you agree to these debates. It does clearly descend into this blue on blue type scenario, which could be weaponized by opposition is now I think the still probably a stronger argument, the during the debates the no but I think it's hard to see how you can really have this many candidates at least. A more constructive as an of it. And that's every Kandic Reese too. Same thing this always going to be one candidate. He feels that they entry pluck yet to make the Mark. I think what would be interesting, as we are expecting one on one entities with Angie Neal in the next week, we'll say wants to finally have been decided, and I think that would be probably more eliminating in terms of format than debate, and that would be where I think people who want to know what the prime minister is actually about probably be able to clean more just because I think there is a format which will lend itself more to opening the terming a whole bunch of material. He's pinkies is quite student for Jeremy hunt who was the health and social care that could into a relatively recently to save it social cuts social care had gone to fall and you have today in a separate entity such job at say he will put on the police over over officers to resume in verse comments took off the street because the cats were linked to the rise in violent crime the Kuban script about the consequences. Verity is being risen very easily for him by these to recant roots. And I mean, this is this is one of the big risks, which is that you're at the end of it, Jeremy gorens take my word for it just listen to what the former health and social cache. Extra says, listen to what the home secretary says as he runs through the so-called consequences authors. Katie that's been around this morning, about one of the people who else questions last night experiments gang on. Yes. So at at sheet since this polka dot they're not to rise, the fast rise of deliver. Gusta speaking from a CD in Bristol as he as he was introduced, and he asked a question about Islam phobia, now it's probably one of the most difficult questions as you mentioned the night, some of the candidates USA, Javid use it to prescence idea of having an inquiry of candidates to agree to that. But has since transpired for Addidas Twitter at what pissed be Twitter account that he has been very critical of the conservative party. He has. Several things about Jews. He is a someone who has defended Kuban. He wants tweeted every political figure on the payroll is scaring the world about Kuban. They didn't like him. He seems best to tackle them and clearly into the conversation question of what is the vetting procedure, the BBC, because if you will trying to have a debate, will you ask the next prime minister's questions is that the person you'd want to ask that question? Now, the BBC have said the I wouldn't exactly an opponent, if they've issued some have apologized, but others have said, well, this account was de-activated this Twitter account. So when they actually went to the vetting process, he had no social media presence, and it was only reactivated off to the debate and that point, you can see all the previous tweet. So I think there was a sense of we can actually prevented this. You've already seen people could back saying well when did you start your vetting procedure? There's a second Ribe raring about one of the questions because I. It someone he appears to previously what will be involved with the labor party, you are final question. So I think the BBC being Austin, if they created the Farris platform on this, and I'm gonna come into more scrutiny about them James the questions still valid. They won't they there's a question about if you someone else question out words, having consquences, Berrow months, have to be above reproach by definition imams. I lost nine he believes that his tweets have consquences, and I'm not has to be considered. I mean is I mean, the, the BBC let the debate down because the question loses its moral forward to more force. If the person on skin, the question, it appears to be compromised as this gentleman. Does that is a problem? I also think that. I have some sympathy for the BBC on this miss respect, which is, is difficult to organize debate when two hours before it starts, you know, you're going to have people that three people back. But even having said that, I think last night was an example of what we get wrong about date of TV debates in this country. We have TB weights in this country takes five Chas uncomfortable him ballroom, stools and a TV camera and a host in America. They have a whole commission on presidential debates Lissa gate, all of this stuff in even the primary Bates win the party weeks of negotiations about it, and it's easy can push. It's kind of law with the Americans being presumed precious. But the format last night, really didn't help anyone trying to understand politics, if you coming into that debate looking to be informed about what these candidates for doing you to want to way, particularly illuminated, and I think that, that was I there was some structural things could have been done about. The way the questions were all of what it was weird to choose to have questions come down the line from around the country that could have fro back to nationwide from the nineteen seventies ever have have Emily hosted debate and be the ringmaster also questions all have a studio audience, and them all suppressions, seem very old hardware house, do I mind. And I think in a way Boris Johnson was a winner because not only the format help him, but it also helps him justify his reluctance remorse. Things is home to think off the loss night that the country would be a massively better place, if we'd had four or five of these debates already it does roll justify his reluctance to do them. And Casey, what is next in the contest expecting today say we now, moved to the knockout Rams and their previous ballots are meeting fresh, hold after the nineteen twenty committee decided to try and speed up their contests, given the number of people who thought they should be prime minister. And I think he locate the bat yesterday. It was savage. He scraped trade. It was Ruiz Jewett he was behind him. And I think there's a sense of who is going to be knocked out today. It would seem that such Javid is the most vulnerable, but there's a ready some tool of change in, in the wind if you what happened yesterday because we seem to lose a momentum such Javid in that debate made clear that he thought he should leave by the end of October and had a few MP's, perhaps not necessarily to do this, but there is some tool of having almost a stop steer operation, stop Rory and which would be mean rob supporters for example, not moving straight to Bros Johnson because brochure since home and Dr ready in hundred twenty something and going up. And instead, moving that support to Sacha Javid. Pushing tights, and that would mean that you wouldn't have Royce going forward. If you reduce the chance of him having it in the final to you and it being a prison contest, but as lots of whispers going around, and it's secret ballot and also to we've seen rois GIO, make this offer data how muc- he is willing to partner up with another cabinet candidate on the condition that he is still the leader. So, yes, exactly say if Michael g-o-v will drive me hunt. Want to join his team and sign up to his notes. No deal Brexit. And they are happy for him to still be the front player. Then they get give him his votes than they currently have molded him probably slightly. But again, this whisperings at different camps all talking to each other dating lead too much. But I think there is a sense that, that now into the knockout stages, I think people are more likely to come up with these schemes t try and push their agenda than previous James you expecting such. Java to be knocked out given he got the fewest votes yesterday I will be very wary McKinney predictions, because there is also close. They're all full of oats between sides Javedan, ROY Stewart. Now, my mass is gonna let me down at some point, and then only a handful of votes, Royster among g-o-v, and then only votes remind who on is it is very congested. It's what I mean votes between Santa job on Jeremy hunt on things I have is hope is katie's is a corporation. Go on to dot restore I spoke to one Brexit here said, I want my vote count today. I know Boris Johnson is free to the final because he's already way over the hundred and five Mark with he needs to count today. So I'm going to vote for Senator job at the Tron, stop ROY Stewart. I mean, there's a I think, in back carpentry to he is really good on the skin over loss of Brexit. Here's and I mean, there's also a warrior among some people who are not gonna boss don't support the longer. Roy. Stays in the contest, the, the mall can damage. He will inflict Boris Johnson. I and so not bothering to call certain people. He's votes they might be able to pick up and letting cited Javid have I call on them might be a sensible strategy if that gets really stood out of the way quicker. Now, I was all any forms of tactical voting is you don't know how that works the other side, how much do people who really the idea of ideal Brexit think for even if a publicly declared for another candidates bay might, but Rory Stewart in an attempt to demonstrate the strength to to frighten is on onboard zones in about going that tactic. So what I would say is frankly, don't believe anything until we get results at six o'clock tonight. Thank you, James and thank you, Katie. And we'll obviously have full breaking news analysis and podcast on coffee house throughout the day. Thanks for listening.
"This episode of the Literature Podcast is brought to you by the podcast no place like home a podcast that gets to the heart of the biggest first and most urgent story of our time which is climate change how do we stay sane in the age of climate change personal choice really matter like the wilderness what lax and I'm feeling remarkably not nervous about our trip but I'm trying to find it feeling apprehensive this place we're going way off the grid historically been a real wilderness ars a livable place in the future you can find subscribe to no place like home at no place like home podcasts dot com or just find it in apple podcasts spotify stitcher or wherever you find your favorite podcasts all right well let's see uh-huh assode happened and she's a bright and charming kind person and if you're interested in how to make this home some hope that I'll see something on this trip that gives me hope or gives me a good story anything shaming averages sitting mental synchronicity synchronicity this is science Mike and Jamie Lee finch it's five thirty three am we're already and I was pretty excited last night about this trip woke up and I was like what the Hell L. feels insane right now the Arctic they are you feeling tired and ready to be untouched pieces of wilderness on earth and I was excited about it when I first heard about it but the morning of as you could hear in my voice Welcome to the literature podcasts everybody my name is Michael Gungor this summer got invited to go to the Arctic refuge the show is four fifty four pm Dan I'm a fan of things like beds and running water and indoor plumbing I spend most of my time strumming a guitar ars and talking and microphones you know I'm pretty much helpless if a button pops on a dress shirt so now I needed to learn how to use or an intimate creative in surprising ways Anna Jane is actually one of the people that was really instrumental in making today's literatures podcast defy got down the kitchen turn on the light cla gear out here on the table during Alaska to do a podcast about the threat of cultural genocide and climate change to this sacred area it's been one of the last great resprayed to defend myself in the Arctic Circle Outta my zone shine that same hope that you're looking for find it from the earth and find it from people will be financed namely remote we are on our own it's going to be light almost the whole time other than a couple of hours of dusk in the middle of the night it's probably going to be apears untested after going through incursion Fairbanks Alaska largest Jamie watch the farm and sobbed like four times from the airfields more pleasant than La Catechal nice the Alaskan summer they play William sound good but this is this is reality for a second Alaska as a state is sixty years old banks different world up here in Los Angeles a little bit lot more trees the ware case where I get off an airport razer tell everyone about what's possible with the Arctic climate change because right now to be honest I'm really really cynical at hopeless. The United States of America is less than two hundred and fifty years old the first Europeans to arrive in North America in my watch off the plane here in Somewhere extremely quiet for a few days and ready to be very quiet while there and learn I mean Alaska only became a state in nineteen fifty nine and you could probably guess there were people living there already when we decided to make our state League podcast than flying for eight hours today because you came from NYC yeah JFK and now I'm in INC call northern Alaska living off of and with the land in harmony and then white people came the ancient ruins you get the feeling that two three four thousand years was a long time ago a mass genocide that resulted in the obliteration of so many lives and so much of these people's lifestyle in Plato's about twenty five Hundred Years I mean if you've ever been to a place like Athens or Rome and seen hard and managed to survive somehow many of the innuendo native populations still live off the land in a way that being on that land for about thirty thousand years yeah you heard that right thirty thousand years take that in and that split some copy that we can do all right fine they're better people than me work Dan and his colleague Michael From the Wilderness Society lay out for us as much as they can about what our trip is going to be like L. and culture we forced them to move into villages taking away their children sending them to English boarding schools which is a place we would eventually be visiting people still get about eighty percent of their nutrition from wild game in the area they have to touchdown it just the size and scale of Alaska but it's it's a big state Dan tells us about Alaska about how big it is about how new it is to the United States cold we're going to need five layers of clothing we're going to pack it all in waterproof bags we're going to have to poop in the ground Oh and no deodorant why one specific dangers out there we should talk about is prisoners grizzly so much of their culture and heritage was systematically whitewashed and destroyed yet the kitchen and many other indigenous people groups have fought so does that mean I can't wear deodorant today to be better safe than sorry I probably shouldn't but while I'm gone thirty thousand years the channon other native and indigenous groups of people have lived in what we now us something like ten dollars and they're poor they need the land because of colonization and climate change the land and do untold damage to some of the last unspoiled wilderness in America so it's Monday morning and people have been living there quite a long time actually the question tribe which is the people that we would eventually be meeting had the survival stuff that we need to go through in pulls out a giant map and begins to talk to us more about why we are actually there Michael for the next three days without a lot of things but mainly without deodorant so is a unique experience you know I mean most of us have seen land that is less populated than places like Los Angeles it's Gosh I don't know just before six am got up early and took a shower knowing it would be my last for a few days and with them diseases poisons violence taking a real beating and just as they are in some of their most dire straits that they've ever been in as a people with the oppressive boot of white it's GonNa get interesting flying over northern Alaska and a little prop plane stink really bad it's funny how we care about such little things is six fifteen tapie hard for a lot of us live in places with public services and infrastructure to understand in the Arctic village I mean just miles and miles of untouched land in every direction from the plane it's a pretty spectacular on the way in everyone needs to stay more that's Dan he's the guy tasked with keeping US city slickers alive in the Arctic wilderness a for hours without seeing any power lines roads cars houses affront to going through all of our gear making sure everybody realism on their necks. President trump went ahead and inserted into his tax bill a provision that would allow oil companies to move into question people's and in the morning in Fairbanks Alaska this has been up for a lot longer than and even saw a couple of grizzly bears just before we landed on the Tundra in the middle of absolutely nowhere as far as human being least first for whom there is solid evidence or norse who added here about a thousand years ago she's was born about two thousand years ago now as I'm getting ready I'm faced with the question can I wear deodorant. They told us we can't take deodorant because it will attract bears spinning around like a five year old her arms outstretched it's pretty great the earth our forests and streams the lakes the mountains valleys right now she's now running they have and today we're all going to be eating into some very tiny planes flying could land and drill for oil and action that would absolutely devastate and already severely oppressed and hurting people about four five hours north to the coastal plain we all make camp where you will stay again there are no roads up there anything they would buy has to be flown in specifically for them a gallon of milk things are concerned anyway we come to discover that it wasn't actually nowhere so profoundly sacred and ancient place invations it is our very foundation for life she's not our possession she is our home the human landscape of raw earth blow us absorbing the majesty of me brains and opposable thumbs we turned meadows and streams into freeways and strip malls and don't get me wrong I love human civilization on the surface of the planet as it has evolved naturally for millions and millions of years whereas a true wonder to behold poke most of us have not seen anything like the vast expanse of land up near the Arctic Circle Alaska to fly here on the surface of brilliant blue gem suspended and a vast ocean space and most of the time that Earth has been here we very connected to her and dependent on her we really are you injure plane I can't describe how quiet it is out here and it's enormous I think I've definitely uh-huh it was like surreal a feeling of being absolutely alone was really Resort over raging rivers and breathtaking waterfalls and the flow of color and texture mm-hmm I mean life is fragile exist within a sliver of possibility comparatively paper thin layer of atmosphere I got to tell you that feeling when that plane landed and then we took our stuff out and then the plane just rolled away and flew off humans have turned planet earth into something that would barely be recognizable to most humans through history somehow with our class the furthest away I've ever been from people and I will laugh it this is just me all sorts of incredible innovations that make life on planet earth such a magical place but we ought not play down the meadows rock formations that you create a statute with your imagination and it's really high it is wild and accommodations for human civilization and for people have been made and that means when you enter and uh aside from the modern luxuries and conveniences that we have made there's also art architecture music philosophy science spirituality that a monument valley it's up on top of a mountain and there's these large stone statues I mean natural really vibrant and light blue eyes comes up staring her whole trip up here we are remote this it hasn't out there you'll notice past hostile the arctic refuge is remote extreme it's huge and it is quiet and is beautiful flying anywhere flying over these mountains and through the well in general clumsiness I do not know how I'm going to get down there are several moments I realized you know an in places that have felt big before but this feels genuinely enormous like thought I knew what that word meant before coming here and I'm GonNa Guess I'm about forty five percent of the way up that looks less steep I just sat quietly I mean as quiet as it is and one of those little planes we just sat there looking out the windows you may tent we just built after being dropped off by a tiny little four past Mars they call it you are taking risk I haven't felt at risk of any more than maybe a sprained ankle so far wins have not been and standing there in that humorless expanse of mothers untouched territory one could not help but feel creek is flowing down from the mountains into the password staying meets up at the river down there and then it flows out news and the streams earth isn't just some treasure chest pull out materials from for our inventions our you her master we are her children her part of her and frankly we're lucky to be ace of perception than human beings operate at but all of these rock formations the flow of the tectonic plates this audio from video on my phone what you're not seeing as Jamie and I dancing around like fools the lava and heat ocean life microbes flowing through the earth like veins through body and out of the earth it's a different timescale different by this stream and see what nature has to tell me I'm sitting on some moss this gorgeous gosh I guess mid or late afternoon and today we took a hike to this I don't know what to call it other I'm making choices that for me probably only work in one direction so it's GonNa require adventure getting off this mountain but I wanted to see if I could get to the top and foggy craggy ravine all these alien looking rock structures further than I did I literally don't know how we get from where I am to where she is I'm actually surprised I made it this far with my fitness level the movement under our feet pushing up the rock and the soil flowing it's just the flow noticing the flow the same flow that pushes this movement. Somehow all of this movement is the same movement that gave rise it's self into God's self and that's why when I look at this river I'm not looking at other and now I feel like I have a greater understanding and appreciation for the idea of enormity swatter that is here in this moment down these rocks which are here at this moment down into that river which is here at this moment it's the same operation between air and Sun and earth the keep humans living and ADB path is less clear and I literally don't know how to continue forward so I'll sit and wait flow the cast the light into these eyeballs that are here at this moment through these stories and my brain hole in our guide Dan have continued Jamie is probably thirty feet up the mountain from me she's reached as far as she can go what she breathtaking speaking to the water earlier but as we started to climb up next to this creek into the mountains up to the valley itself at this point only mike the Arctic Ocean because we were flying through all this and as I've been walking through all of that I just keep seeing floor the flow witnessing itself speaking to itself putting it into words to enjoy it so anything talking and tweeting it's all just the same flow movement out of I hope you're enjoying this moment here being all of this from here everywhere on the air you could see all the little streams and tributaries and rivers this moment utilizing all of the blood vessels that are flowing through this body like rivers through the earth the one really get darker bridal maybe in the very middle of the night the sort of in single celled organisms multiple cells flowing together to create larger and more complex organisms and systems it's an ecosystems and humans and all of the systems within humans and all of the micros within humans and all of the L. Listening to podcast to enjoy herself beautiful flow how is climate change related to spirituality these are the kind of questions that hosts and friends and Jane joyner and Marianne hit explore over the Tundra as gorgeous glacial water. I'm assuming I don't know maybe I should ask someone because it was a real and I think that the two chief Aww they don't need us built in with them and we would not be here and then feeling slightly grieved for the fact that we are any capacity this water was not willing to share themselves where he wins if either of those if it was either hot springs or slightly shorter hike it'd be a no brainer like this like just feeling absolutely away from all human civilization I think it's weird I've been to a lot of places on our planet and there's this is what really hot wet climates are like but the Arctic Tundra it feels more like an alien planet on Earth Ecosystem it's beautiful it's very it's a never felt a place I feel an awe like I feel this land this space this time together just feels really sacred and feels really centered I feel like nothing else really matters outside of this moment yeah I feel that freaking freaking cold of an Arctic summer and I was just really curious like what everyone's notice what you're feeling what you've experienced I'm also like not a camper so I didn't sleep very well certain like commonality to ecosystems like so this is what desert or like and this is what you know boreal forests are like and I'm very similar way like very aware of how I'm D- it feels but it doesn't feel the lonely kind of empty it feels very full it's hard to explain just on an audio visual but here here and you could see you know I feel very present to this specific kind of fullness in that emptiness if any of that make sense probably make sense to all of you warm springs that's like a really hard day's high and I could see him mulling it over yeah he might still be considering if we ever just we look up and he's gone really well taken care of by our guide and host I feel awake and alive last night we could tell that Michael starting to fair around the edges because he was like Sarah hot springs nearby and it turns out there's nest building yeah like we're just incredible at nest building and the Arctic is one of the few environments showers running water I mean one way to look at humanity is like we're the global ecosystem champion it for a lukewarm a little hot springs that's kind of outdoorsy stuff you like you just don't like camping I love the earth I just I like sleeping in beds and using toilets because you're here house of ill just very I feel very good slept really well last night we've been so hostile to humanness building that we haven't settled here yeah I mean this is like an a summer so this is like the as pleasant as it gets here hugh could feel anything but wonder guided to them in grief so it's our first morning in the windfall and I've made a promise to continue remind ingrate fall and reverend pampered life has been lost tired and I think my hands about the fall on the only one wearing gloves holding these microphones I didn't they could work the microphone with the somewhere that remote where had been that aware that we're I mean we're in good hands but we're hanging on by a thread technically nesting with us and without any of this we would die pretty quickly out here and that's interesting because I've never been here it it isn't for us like this specific spot and the only way that we've made it for us as bringing as close as we can get to our owed like the lengths we had to go through to get here in the first place like to airplane rides connecting flight glove on anything if you believe in us it's crazy how untouched this land is yeah you can feel there's no trails it's all an even like walking is difficult tick poppy and I keep thinking about the fact that it's likely that what we are looking at no humans have ever seen before silence is amazing just wait that is gold yeah to do and so yeah very few humans have ever really come here and then and do certain times dreamily aware that we are not supposed to be his mountains though what I was glad I motion sickness medicine but it was beautiful yeah I had a spiritual experience because when we were going over wait nature yes wisely and we were in the nature contemplated you I mean I keep having moments like that where you're saying how like I don't think this bird has ever seen air planes overhead birds you don't just this expansive pass this valley with no sound the mountains into sunset pass I put on spirit by beyond say from the Lion King and I took everything with me not to put my hand in worship on the plane mazing that might be one of my favorite parts yeah I'm just aware how much noise we live in it doesn't matter where you live in humans before I keep having moments where I'm seeing like we saw that wolf at a district yesterday or like this yellow flower and words you sit still and choir are trained for twenty minutes and annual a bird will find view and because I I don't know if that bird tiny play me like we were in a plane the size of sprinter van and then a play on a little bit smaller than a Honda civic six took slightly landing and that little flight over we can go really there's no yeah we've never what Dan was telling us yesterday there's nowhere in the continental us that is as far as we are right now from just is a village and is a little more human civilization like the true wild we've been in but still won't have things like cell phone service or plumbing and I'm really looking forward to learning from the glitch in people how climate change has been impact in their way of life and really what oil exploration does to their way of subsistence living with a little when you're in a rural part of America you still hear noise even if you're in the deep south you hugh your crickets like this is the most you here is when it gets a little windy take care let's Thursday morning and I'm sitting in my tent are playing out will get here between twenty five minutes and fifty five minutes from now if all goes well we're going to pack up and leave the wild and head into Arctic village and Arctic village. Elton and I was like wow such fools because they're gonNA have to walk all that to again William Wisely chose to sat and content and that's it north and talk to us I was Gonna say how are you GonNa are you GonNa do you're birding out here I have seen several that feels really sacred to me this around this feels really sacred to yeah wage just descending on us again in June assist it's actually coming down on us right now as I know because I've gone from being comfortable freezing look at the I mean just in the last five minutes it's just we have a lot of listeners that are interested issues of justice and Science and yesterday I had seen people before I don't think so the way came up at us was it definitely check us out yeah you all decided to hike around the you were podcast called literature it's and we do like radio shows it was like just so majestic this land is majestic this energy is majestic I feel like I'm just my body soaking it all in we were doing pretty damn good job tonight tip fourteen ninety two people that they brought in Samoa Parks people from from Europe and distort all it went all the way up here it pushover but we have to believe that every one of you the pay pay the people of their services because you guys go and make money out of this I wanNA wear mother somehow and we know that one of us says we didn't even invite you people over here you just interbike your soul and then within three Hundred Years Your Cat Lai and the sacred lands of the refuge the bottom line is I don't have to do this that educated or anything like that to create a society where we could live what happened when you found out about that tax idiots up here we've been dealing with this with President Harsh lot of our as far as the Caribou before fourteen ninety two there were nobody tried to help so my point of view from the day own said do this sadness we say goodbye to sunset past spend our home for the last few days but I'm really looking forward to hearing what they have to tell us that can help us conceptualize the experiences people Hollywood Robert Grid for our John Did were they open here we're not we're not just the old there and you destroyed in three hundred within three hundred years we're run if you pray different way they'll kill you for that so these people were scared in came over in a native help them mm-hmm Were New York Chapin their hit each other hit oh and Bernie shoulder life and it better over how many billion years stopped creed are Sung in our Sunday created are spill what what have you guys been doing to bring about resistance to idea of oil extraction we've been fighting and it's people bother your time like do never received anything back so many of US modern Americans perhaps especially white Americans don't have a super deep sense of our lineage in history most of us are part of families who have only been in this country for a few generations or less and here's somebody like Calvin speak about what then at some point invaders move in without permission can kill almost everyone in your family day after day just destroyed it might be deadlier kits you guys should you probably be the same but then you get these shirt and white people who is superior who thinks that we are family photos and just generally destroying the allows how would you feel about these other visitors who did the killing or the painting or vandalism why don't you still feel a little bit like Oh get the fuck out of our home how would you feel about any of the individuals who were associated with them even if it wasn't a specific individuals the children growing through the years you've built up so many stories and memories through the years in this House two hundred thousand of Caribou along the Canada and Alaska and a couple of billion of phone calls and Salmon mm-hmm but I wasn't born there I'm an outsider who came barging in with my microphone inexpensive Rei camping and white fragility. I'd say that my ancestors did but I didn't let me give you a little analogy here and smallpox ridden blankets anymore but it's still coming at them in the form of tax bills missionaries edge culture. It's all still happening colonialism is still happening you may not be in the form of and imagine that you and your family have been living in a home for twenty years or these two decades you've really made I have a radio show and we're we're trying to organize young people into acting more of the family of the killers moved into your house taking what they want painting over the height etchings walls tearing down the the white people have been coming around and vandalizing destroying and killing you guys did can be confusing or even off putting for some of US might say you know I didn't take your land on the timescale for how long could Chin people have been living there and their home as compared to how long before just to let that time line of how recent is history is sink in a little bit if you lived in that house listen to snatch children away from their parents myself or hit those children in the head with a stick when they speak their own native language in their English boarding school the second year the first year the old bite by bill because they don't know how it wanted a land okay yeah the land and it's still happening and still question invited us into their homes herself the walls are covered in your family pictures and there's markers in the closet on the wall I need to do this because we've done it so many times. This is old get dispenser interviews and gear and high minded idealism that I learned in the United States of America the country that claimed the land that Kelvin's people have lived on if you could just give me a one jet displace lift ball I mean it's all comparatively recent history and for somebody like Calvin who actually does have a deep sense of heritage and Komo and hair that's a cap in Los trapper state and I didn't know what he don't touch nothing don't eat and and yes even podcasters like me trying to come and tell their story for them and I may not have been the and so they use those big upper Golo and our people that they don't even know the berries don't go near you know that kind of I in a earth created North America which created us as a people from North America and we okay two weeks ago Chin all of this just happened for twenty years do you know recently and that same ratio of time your house became the official property of the Invaders Aka the United States for three hundred centuries as our own and if you think of how recently we did that to them in terms of that house analogy terrorism as fourteen ninety two were pretty damn good at it as surviving it's been going on for decades and until now they've managed to hold the back but she gave us a first hand experience of the strength of her and her family and our people running not only the ecosystem and the animals and the life that depend on it but also the beautiful people oh hard they fought over the years fought for their children for their culture for the slammed our way of life and that's what happened to us my mom's sister base and most of my people died from starvation are I room totally can raise rates oh the woman's name is Sarah and she was our guide and host through the village not only did she share her home in her stories with us the name for my mom used to call malice young ship don't go over the Derby I don't see nothing dirty about it you were kind to us they told us their stories we lost our culture be most severely affected you know read now the federal government's GonNa try to go for all in in the coastal plain this is the earth all the decades that they've fought politically in the United States birth for big oil to not come into this specific plot of Land Wanna where they have their young where they want to drill for oil yeah I look at where they used migrate and the people that used to live off curable they're not there no more whereas brother Gideon area where where animal used for breeding Kevin Ground for like I said during that time of year that's when they're most sensitive I don't know if you've got a chance to see trails while you were up there the trails it is I can't even imagine I try to imagine how many millions of care went through those trails porcupine cable hurt calving ground is dry gear right there where they wanna grow right now we got a big major threat to wildlife out there care we days sensitive just like visit is French people for shopping and their heads just only for high price for it was high price then and that's all they're here for nothing else and when they did that they came with police in it's a strict night liquid streak might since would would hurt that hurt all my life I live off the land this is Charlie Hunt fish trap all my life so often through lack of mindfulness unwilling to share ourselves next few days at least iron with this tax bill colonialism has reared its ugly head again direct violent way and his threat in this some of them fly as far as from South America to mess up there or would wreck dot other animal it's certain time of year is when they're most sensitive and that's when they have their young and where the take care we'll go through those trails they've been going through them for thousands of years in the same trails that they're going through right now and that good that goes to show what's going to happen with this this to the same thing's going to happen there one day they're getting up and leave they want nothing more to do with it you know a strict might is very caustic and you can't if it cut your skin get trumbull from it affects the nervous system in a Kelly what animals are one of their wild in any kind of disturbance oh you how how many years that they've been migrating up there to have their young the last time not F- flew up there and I see those trails you're paying terrible hurt also geese gut deputy know thousand thousand keys goes up there and what they do is they laze bait on that trump and any animal each homered fire there he and all and the and big oil rigs and drilling rigs and stuff like that that's going to change they go somewhere else we don't see them no more with or thousands of years that's what they want to continue to do you know and they develop they develop oil up there the idea that in just a few hundred years tens of thousands of years could be disruptive is talking about you look at the you look at the Dakota pipeline what happened last year yeah that's a big disaster there yeah is lifestyle we live you know you look at these people here they're healthy you know everything that we eat pretty much it's natural you look at Obesity now you they say that they have technology to do things right but at the same time they're still major oil spills happen well where's all the technology that do with water temperature yeah so you yeah it's part of our life right here living off the land founding it is it is you know evil yeah they Like I I was saying you know you look at the beauty of this place I was taught that when you go on the would you respect the animals the water and the land that's the way I was raised and look at diabetes
"Hey everyone. It's William Matthews and I'm excited about this episode of the Liberties podcasts see last year August Twenty Nineteen Myself Jamie Lee finch Mike mcharg and Michael Gungor one on a very special trip to the Arctic refuge. Now, if you don't know what the refuges, it's a wilderness sanctuary that's located in the northern tip of Alaska and is so far removed from modern civilization. Now, we went up there to visit the land, but also to talk to an indigenous community, the which in nation who are embroiled in a legal issue as it pertains to their land the Porcupine Caribou. That exists on that land and the trump administration who wants to drill oil on that land. So, here's a quick update from our trip. We know that the House of Representatives passed a bill to protect the Arctic. Unfortunately, that is being held by Mitch McConnell, who's the House majority leader in the Senate. As it pertains right now, we have no legal protections for the Arctic refuge. The only protections we have our the bill that stalled in the house. And a commitment from presidential candidate Joe Biden to stop all drilling particularly oil drilling on public lands, which includes the Arctic refuge. But as of now, the trump administration is still planning on moving forward with leasing the Arctic refuge. To oil companies. And depending on what happens this fall in the presidential election we may very well be in a situation where the last food source for the which in nation is under threat due to oil drilling. So, we decided to release this episode. The Arctic. In part to highlight the continuing struggle that the which at are facing. But also to announce that we have recorded a short documentary of our time in the Arctic refuge. That's right. The largest recorded a documentary. And I'm really excited to share this documentary with you because it really gets into the heart of what this episode is about. But also has some new information in a new perspective about what indigenous liberation looks like as it pertains to the liberation of black people in this country. This documentary highlights my perspective being a person of color in this space and also highlights how my pain is so similar to the pain of my indigenous brothers and sisters. So. Here's a details. The documentary comes out in two weeks if you want more details on when where how I want you to go to the literature dot Com. Backslash Arctic. That's right. The literature dot com back slash Arctic. To get more details on the release of the film and also a live Q. in a panel that we're going to do in conjunction with the film. So we're going to talk to myself Christian Atkins who's cinematographer for the film including Jamie Lee finch and others, and we're going to dive deep into this issue of a what does protecting land look like. So once again, make sure you head to the website to get all the details on our film premiere as well as the live Q. Inane. That's GONNA take place. Now without further ado, I want to introduce you to this episode of the literatures podcast entitled Arctic. Whether you've heard this before, I want you to take time and really listen again deeply. Taking the sounds taken the words spoken by the indigenous elders that we talk to you. And if this is your first time listening to this episode that I want you to strap in because you're in for a wild ride. So. Here we go. four, fifty, four, am. I got down the kitchen turn on the light. CEO Year out here on the table. And Pretty. Excited last night. About this trip and woke up I was like what the Hell Like going to the Wilderness. What? Will. Feels insane right now. Go up the Arctic. Off. Welcome to literature podcasts everybody. My name is Michael Gungor. This summer literature Scott invited go to the Arctic Refuge Northern Alaska. To, do a podcast about the threat of cultural genocide and climate change to this sacred area. That's been one of the last great untouched pieces of wilderness on earth. And I was excited about it when I first heard about it. But the morning of as you could hear in my voice I was feeling apprehensive. This place going was way off the grid. Has. Been a real wilderness man. I'm a I'm a big fan of things like beds and running water and indoor plumbing. I spend most of my time. strumming guitars and talking and microphones. You know I'm pretty much helpless if a button POPs on a dress shirt. So now I needed to learn how to use bear spray to defend myself in the Arctic Circle. Autumn Miso. Think shaming average just sitting mental synchronicity. Synchronicity this is science Mike and Jamie Lee finch. It's five thirty three. AM WE'RE ALREADY AT LAX? and. I'm feeling remarkably not nervous about our trip. But I'm trying to find. Some hope. That I'll see something on this trip. That gives me hope or gives me a good story to tell everyone. About what's possible with the Arctic climate change because right now. To be honest I'm really really cynical and hopeless. How are you feeling? Tired. and. Ready to be somewhere extremely quiet for a few days. And ready to be very quiet while there. And learn. Signed that same hope that you're looking for find it from. The Earth can find it from. People will be an accident. There not spent some coffee. We can do. All right fine. They're better people than me. Just walked off the plane here in. Fairbanks. Different world up here in Los Angeles. Love more trees. The where case where I get off an airport and the airfields more pleasant. Than La. Nice the Alaskan summer. Playing William. Don't sound good but. This is this is reality podcast. Than flying? For. Eight hours today actors you came from NYC. JFK and now I'M IN INC Turn. AIRBAG Fairbanks Alaska second. largest city. Jamie I watch the biggest little fire and sobbed like four times. This good good progress. Going through all of our gear, making sure everybody has everything you need to stay. More, that's Dan. He's the guy tasked with keeping. US City slickers alive in the Arctic wilderness. Really. Get darkness. Maybe in the very middle of the night the of dark not. Really. Dan and his colleague Michael From the Wilderness Society Lay out for us as much as they can about what our trip is going to be like if I, other, you'll notice. Hostile Who? The Arctic refuge is remote extremely remote we are on our own. It's going to be light almost the whole time other than a couple of hours of dusk in the middle of the night. It's probably going to be cold. We're going to need five layers of clothing. We're going to pack it all and waterproof bags. We're going to have to poop in the ground. Zero and no deodorant why wants to specific dangerous out there that we should talk about his prisoners grizzly bears. Testy. After going through all of the survival stuff that we need to go through din pulls out a giant map and begins to talk to us more about why we are actually there. So Michael started touch on it, just the size and scale of Alaska it's it's a big state. Dan tells us about Alaska about how big it is about how new it is to the United States. I mean Alaska only became a state in nineteen, fifty nine. And is you could probably guess there were people living there already when we decided to make our state. People have been living there quite a long time actually. The Qu- Chin tribe, which is the people that we would eventually be meeting. had been living on that land. For about thirty. Thousand Years. Yeah you heard that right thirty thousand years. Take that in for a second. Alaska as a state is sixty years old. United States of America is less than two hundred and fifty years old. The first Europeans to arrive in north. America at least the first for whom there is solid evidence norse. Who added here about a thousand years ago Jesus was born about two thousand years. Plato about. Twenty five hundred years ago. If you've ever been to a place like Athens or Rome and seen the ancient ruins. You get the feeling that two three, four, thousand years. was a long time ago. Thirty thousand years. Chen and other native and indigenous groups of people. Have lived in what we now call. Northern Alaska. Living off of and with the land in harmony. And then white people came. With them. Diseases. Poisons. Violence. A mass genocide that resulted in the obliteration of so many lives. and. So much of these people's lifestyle and culture. We forced them to move into villages, taking away their children, sending them to English boarding schools where so much of their culture and heritage was. Systematically whitewashed and destroyed. Yet. The question and many other indigenous people groups have fought hard managed to survive somehow. Many of the innuendo native populations still. Live off the land in a way that. Might be hard for a lot of us. Live in places with public services and infrastructure to understand. In the Arctic village, which is a place for you eventually be visiting. People still get about eighty percent of their nutrition from the game in the area. They have to. Again there are no roads up there. Anything they buy has to be flown in specifically for them a gallon of milk cost something like ten dollars. And they're poor. They need the land. But because of colonization and climate change, the land has taken real beating. And just as they are in some of their most dire straits that they've ever been in as a people. With the oppressive boot of white colonialism on their next president trump went ahead and inserted into his tax bill provision that would allow oil companies to move into question people's sacred land and drill for oil. And action that would absolutely devastate and already severely oppressed and hurting people. And do untold damage to some of the last unspoiled wilderness America. So it's Monday morning its Gosh. Just before six am. Got Up early and took a shower, it would be my last for a few days. And now as I'm getting ready, I'm faced with the question. Can I wear deodorant? They told us we can't take deodorant. Because it will attract bears. So does that mean? I can't wear deodorant today. to be better safe than sorry I probably shouldn't. But while I'm gonNA, Stink, really bad. It's funny how we care about such a little things. Is Six fifteen in the morning. In Fairbanks Alaska. The son has been up for a lot longer than I have and. Today. We're all going to be getting into some very tiny planes. and. Flying. About four or five hours north to the coastal plain. We all make camp where you will stay for. The next three days without a lot of things but. mainly. Without Deodorant so This is gonNA. GET INTERESTING Flying over northern Alaska and a little prop plane. His A. Unique experience. You know I mean, most of us have seen bland that is less populated in places like Los Angeles. But most of us have not seen anything like the vast expanse of land. Up Near. The Arctic Circle in Alaska. To, fly for hours without seeing. Any power lines. Roads cars houses. I mean, just. In miles of untouched land in every direction from the plane. It's pretty spectacular. On the way in we all sat quietly. I mean as quiet. As it is in one of those little planes. We just sat there looking out the windows. The human lists landscape of raw earth. Blow us. Absorbing The majesty of Mother Earth. Forests and streams. Lakes the mountains valleys. Resort over. Rivers and breathtaking waterfalls. And the flow of color and texture. On the surface of the planet. Has, has evolved naturally for millions and millions of years. was a true wonder to behold. Even saw a couple of grizzly bears just before we landed. On the Tundra In the middle of absolutely nowhere. As far as human beings are concerned anyway. We'd come to discover that. It wasn't actually nowhere. So profoundly sacred. And? Ancient Place. I got to tell you that feeling when that plane. Landed, and then we took our stuff out and then. The plane just rolled away and flew off. It was like. Surreal. Feeling of being absolutely alone. It was really wild. This audio from video on my phone, what you're not seeing as Jamie and I, dancing around like fools. Rights now. She's now running spinning around like a five year old her arms outstretched. It's pretty great. We. Humans have turned planet earth into something that would barely be recognizable to most humans through history. Somehow, with our clever brains and opposable thumbs, we turned meadows and streams into freeways and strip malls. And don't get me wrong. I love human civilization. Aside from. The modern luxuries and conveniences that we have made there's also art architecture, music, philosophy science spirituality. All sorts of incredible innovations that make life on planet earth such a magical place. But we ought not play down the meadows. Earth isn't just some treasure chest pull out materials from for our inventions and. Innovations. It is very foundation for life. She is not our possession. She. Is Our home. We are not. Her master. We are her children part of her. And frankly, we're lucky to be. Mean Life is fragile exist with an sliver of possibility comparatively paper thin layer of atmosphere on the surface of brilliant blue gem suspended and a vast ocean space. And most of the time that Earth has been here we humans have not been. And standing there in that human lives expanse of mothers untouched territory. One could not help but feel how very connected to her and dependent on her we really are. Remain Tant. Just built. After being dropped off by. A tiny little four passenger plane. I can't describe how quiet it is out here and It's enormous I. Think I've definitely been in places that have felt big before, but this feels. Genuinely. Enormous like I. Thought I. Knew What that Word admit before coming here and now I feel like I have a greater. Understanding and appreciation for. The idea of enormity. It's huge and. It is quiet and is beautiful. Who are flying anywhere flying over these? Mountains and through the mountain our the Tundra. As. Gorgeous Glacial Water I'm assuming I don't know. Maybe I should ask someone because it was a really really. Vibrant and light blue. Eyes comes up staring her whole trip up. Here we are. Remote. This is the furthest away. I've ever been from people. And I will laugh it. This is just me. It's Gosh I guess mid or late afternoon and today we took a hike to this. I don't know what to call it other than a monument valley. It's up on top of a mountain. There's these large stone statues I. Mean Natural Rock formations that. You create statues with your imagination. and. It's really. It is wild. And accommodations for human civilization and for people have been made. And that means when you enter. Anwar as they call it. You are taking risk. And I haven't felt. At risk of any more than maybe a sprained ankle so far. But as we started to. Climb up next to this creek into the mountains up to the valley itself. At this point, only Michael and our guide Dan have continued. Jamie is. Probably, thirty feet up the mountain from me. She's reached far. She can go when she got further than I did I literally don't know how we get. From where? I am to where she is. I'm actually surprised I. made it this. With my fitness level and general clumsiness. I do not know how I'm going to. Get. down. There are several moments. I realized you know. I'm making choices. That for me probably only working one direction. So it's GONNA be adventure getting off this mountain. But. I wanted to see if I could get to the top and. I'M GONNA guess I'm about. Forty five percent of the way up. That looks less steep ahead, but the path is less clear. And I literally don't know how. To continue forward. So I'll sit and wait by the Stream. And see what nature has to tell me. Sitting on some Moss. And this gorgeous foggy. Craggy Ravine. All these. Alien Looking rock structures. Creek is flowing down from the mountains into the. Pass where we're staying. Meets up at the river down there, and then it flows out to the Arctic Ocean. Because, we're flying through all of this and as I've been walking through all of that. I just keep seeing flow everywhere. From the air you could see. All the little streams and tributaries and rivers. Flowing, through the earth like Baynes through body. And out of the earth, it's a different timescale different. Ace of perception. Then, human beings operate at, but all of these rock formations, the flow of the tectonic plates. The movement under our feet. Pushing up the, rock and the soil. Flowing? Movement. Somehow all of this movement is the same movement that. GAVE RISE TO LAVA and. Heat. Ocean life microbes. In. Single celled organisms, multiple cells. Blowing together to create larger and more complex organisms and systems and ecosystems. And then humans and all of the systems within humans and all of the microbes within humans and all of the. Cooperation between. Air and Sutton. And Earth. The keep humans living breathing talking. And tweeting. It's all just the same flow. Some movement out of God's self. Into God's self. And that's why when I look at this river, I'm not looking at other. It's just the flow noticing the flow. The same flow that. Pushes, this water. That is here in this moment down these rocks which are here at this moment. Down into that river, which is here at this moment. The same. Flow. The CAST, the light. Into these eyeballs that are here at this moment. Through these stories and my brain. This moment. Utilizing all of the blood vessels that are flowing through this body. Like, rivers through the earth. The flow witnessing itself. Speaking to itself. Putting it into words to enjoy itself. Listening to podcast. To enjoy herself. Beautiful Flow. I. Hope you're enjoying this moment. Here being all of this. From, here. It's breathtaking. Speaking to the water earlier. And I think that. then. She. Thanks them. Because they don't need us need them. We would not be here. In any capacity. If this water was not willing. To share themselves. And then feeling. slightly. Grieved for the fact that we are. So often. Through lack of mindfulness unwilling to share ourselves. Next. Few days at least i. Mindful and I've made a promise to. Continue to remind. Grateful. And Reverend. It's hard to explain just on an audio visual but. You're here and you could see it you. Know if you could feel anything but wonder and got to than. In grief. So it's our first morning in the. FREAKING freaking cold. Of An Arctic summer and I was just really curious like. What was notice what you're feeling what you've experienced? I feel an all like feel this land, this space. This time together just feels really sacred. And feels really like I feel. Centered. I feel like nothing else really matters outside of this moment. Yeah, I feel that. Same, very similar way like I very aware of how I'm D- it feels but it doesn't feel the lonely kind of empty. It feels very full I feel very present. To this specific kind of fullness. In that emptiness. If any of that make sense. Probably, make sense all of you because you're here Does vary I feel very good slept really well, last night we've been. Really, well taken care of by our guide and host. I feel. Awake and alive. I think it's weird I've been to a lot of places on our planet. And there's a certain like commonality to ecosystems like. So this is what desert are like, and this is what? You know boreal forests are like and this is what? Really. Hot Wet climates are like. But the Arctic. Tundra. It feels more like an alien planet Earth Ecosystem. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's very, it's. Never felt a place like this like just feeling absolutely. Away from all human. Civilization. Also, like not a camper. So like I didn't sleep very well. A pampered life. Has. Been in Los Angeles also. Tire. Last night, we could tell that Michael is starting to fair around the edges because he was like. Sarah hot springs nearby. Turns out. There's a lukewarm spring that's like a really hard day's high and I could see him mulling it over. He might still be considered. If we ever just we look up and he's gone we know where he wins if either of those either hot springs or slightly shorter hike no-brainer. For a luke. Warm. Hot Springs. That's kind of outdoorsy stuff. You like you just don't like camping I love the earth. I just I like. Sleeping in beds and. Using toilets showers running water. I mean one way to look at humanity is like we're the. Global. Ecosystem champion at nests building. Yeah like we're just incredible at ness building. And the Arctic is one of the few environments. So hostile to human nest building that we haven't settled here. Yeah. I mean this is like. A summer. So this is like the as pleasant as it gets here. And I think my hands about to fall off. and. The only one wearing gloves holding these microphones. I didn't I gotta work the microphone with with the Glove on. You can do anything if you believe in us, it's crazy how untouched this land is. Yeah. I. Like. You can feel there's no trails. It's all even like walking is difficult to do. And so yeah, very few humans I've ever really come here and then do they only come. To the dream, the aware that we are not supposed to be here. It it isn't for us like the specific spot and the only way that we've made it for us as bringing as close as we can get to are nesting with us. And, without any of this. Would die pretty quickly out here, and that's interesting because I've never been somewhere that remote than that aware. that. We're I mean. We're in good hands, but we're hanging on by a thread technically can go really anymore. There's no. Yeah. We've never what Dan was telling us yesterday. There's nowhere in the continental us. That is as far as we are right now from just a road. Like the lengths we had to go through to get here in the first place like to airplane rides. Me like a connecting flight tiny probably like we in a plane, the size of a sprinter van, and then a play on a little bit smaller than a Honda Civic. Tricks took slightly landing little flight those mountains though what I was. Glad. I took motion sickness medicine but it was beautiful. It was. Yeah, I had a spiritual experience because when we were going over the mountains into sunset pass I put on spirit by beyond say from the Lion King and I. I took everything with me not to put my hands up worship on the plane. Good. There wasn't a whole lot of room total. Can raise interest. Oh it was like just so majestic. This land of majestic this. Energy as Majestic I. Feel like I'm just my body soaking it all in. The silences amazing. Just wait. Yeah you don't hear planes overhead you on your birds you don't just. This Expansive Pass. This valley with no sound. It's pretty amazing. Might, be one of my favorite parts. Yeah. I'm aware how much noise we live in doesn't matter where you live. Even if you're in a rural part of America Usta still hear noise even if you're in the deep south, you your crickets like this is. The most you here is when it gets a little windy. and. That's it. SNORRE doctors US say how are you GonNa are you GonNa do you're birding out here I have? Seen several birds y'all sit still and quiet is are trained for the bird minutes and then you'll a bird will find view and because I I don't know that bird yesterday had seen people before I don't think so the way came up at us was it definitely check us out Y-. You all decided to hike around the mountain and I was like wow. Such fools. because. They'RE GONNA have to walk all that to again Willie wisely chose to sat and contemplate nature. Yes wisely and we were. In the nature contemplated you I mean I keep having moments like that where you're saying how Like I don't think this bird has ever seen humans before I keep having moments where I'm seeing like we saw that wolf at a distance yesterday or like this yellow flower, an Arctic poppy and I keep thinking about the fact that it's likely that what we are looking at. No humans I've ever seen before. That feels really sacred. To me. This fog around us feels really sacred to. Yeah which is descending on us again, you notice this it's actually coming down on us right now as I know because I've gone from being comfortable to freezing. Look at I. Mean just in the last five minutes, it's just. Only. Let's Thursday morning. And I'm sitting in my tent. Whom Are playing out will get here between twenty five minutes and fifty five minutes from now. If all goes. Well, we're going to pack up and leave the wild. And head into Arctic village and Arctic village is a and village. And is a little more human civilisation like the true wildly been in but still won't have things like cell phone service or plumbing. And I'm really looking forward to. Learning from the rich and people. How climate change has been impact in their way of life. and. Really what oil exploration dies to their way of subsistence living. With a little sadness, we say goodbye to sunset path spend our home for the last few days. But I'm really looking forward to hearing what the rich and tell us can help us contextualized the experiences we've had ear. Is there something that's interfering with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals? Well, do I have something for you? Better help is an APP that will assess your mental and emotional needs and matching with your own license professional therapists. You can connect in a safe and private online environment, which is super convenient star communicating and under twenty four hours by sending. A message, your counselor at any time and get timely thoughtful responses plus you can schedule weekly video and phone session because it's global pandemic and you can't go see therapist in person listen better health is committed to facilitating great therapeutic matches clinic easy and free to change counselors if you need to. They'll help with things like depression anxiety, family conflicts. Oh, and global pandemics. In fact, so many people have been using better health that they're recruiting additional counselors in all fifty states. So start living a happy elected as listener you'll get ten percents off your first month by going to better help dot com slash literatures. That's it better. HELP DOT COM slash lists join over one million people today by taking care of your mental health and again it's better help dot com slash later jess. Okay. If you're like me, then that means you're probably struggling during this time to learn a new hobby or absorbs some new topic that you find really interesting but you just can't quite find the attention span. Well, there's something that's actually here to help you. It's called the great courses plus it's an educational streaming service which makes learning easy and accessible, and I don't know about you but I really need something to make. Learning Fun, there are thousands of lectures on practically any topic you can think of they've got indepth information from some of the best teachers around the world and you don't really have to make time to learn. You can just do it during the day you when you're washing dishes driving a car going to the gym away weekend maybe somebody you can I don't know well, either way you can do the great courses plus. Make learning part of your daily routine and right now, listeners can get a free trial and unlimited access to the entire library check out everything from the spiritual brain to fundamentals of photography and all that in between like. That's a lot of stuff y'all. Sign up now and go to our special Eurorail to start your free trial go to the great courses plus dot com slash literature I'm going to repeat it again the great courses plus. backslash literature I mean the great courses plus dot com backslash literatures. Okay. I'm going to this website so I can learn how to do public speaking because I need of course that right now obviously. We're podcast liturgies sts, and we do like radio shows, but we have a lot of listeners that are interested in. Issues of justice. Science and I don't understand that. Crap. It's like a radio show. Where we're trying to organize young people into acting. which have lied. And the sacred lands of the refuge? The bottom line is I don't have to do this. Need to do this because we. Too many times I mean. This is only get to sponsor interviews and nobody. On try to help. So. My point of view from that day own this at every guy's GonNa. Do the CBS gotTa pay pay the People Of their services because you guys, GonNa make money out of this WanNa wear mother somehow. And we know. We're not. Idiots up here we've. been. Dealing with this with harsh front. Lot of our. People Hollywood Robert. Redford. Are turned inward, open here. We're not. We're not just a pushover. But we have to believe that. Every one of you who every one of us. Says, we didn't even invite you people over here. You just invite yourself. And then you within three hundred years you've just destroyed it. Think about A. Little kits. You guys should know better. Over how many billions of years stopped creed are Sung? In our Sunday create our earth and earth created North America. which created us as a as A. People. From north, America and we were doing pretty damn good job to. Tip Fourteen Ninety two. Boats are people that. Over new. York. A Chapman, their hit each other head off and burn each other life from if you pray different way of kill you for the. So these people were scared in came over in. The native help them. The second year the first year, the old bite buydell because they don't know how. They wanted a land. Yeah. The land I wanted. So they brought in smallpox people from Europe and Distort all it went all the way up here. As far as the cable. Fourteen, ninety two that there were. A couple of hundred thousand Caribou alone candidate. Alaska. Billion vocals. Salmon's old there. and. You destroy the three hundred. Three Hundred Years. of We're running it probably be the same you know. But then you get these shouldn't white people who is superior who thinks that we are not educated or? Anything like that to tree create. A society where we live. What happened when you found out about that tax bill What what have you guys been doing to? Bring about resistance to ideal oil extraction. We've been fighting. Terrorism is fourteen, ninety, two we're pretty dented. It's surviving all the time. It's people bother your time. Like do. That never received anything back you know. If. You could just give me a one jet. Make this place. Livable. So many of us. Modern Americans perhaps especially white. Americans. Don't have super deep sense of our lineage in history. Most of us are part of families who have only been in this country for a few generations or less. and. Here's somebody like Calvin speak about what? You guys did. Can Be confusing or even off putting for some of us. Might say I didn't take your land. White fragility might say that. Maybe my ancestors did but I didn't. Let me give you a little analogy here. Imagine that you and your family have been living in a home for twenty years. Or these two decades you've really made yourself. The walls are covered in your family pictures and there's etch markers in the closet on the wall from the children growing through the years. You've built up so many stories and memories through the years. In this house. And then at some point. So, invaders move in without permission and kill almost everyone in your family. Day After Day more and more of the family of killers moved into your house taking what they want. Painting, over the height etchings on the walls. Tearing down the. Family photos. Just? Generally destroying allows. How would you feel about these other visitors? How'd you feel about any of the individuals who are associated with them even if? It wasn't the specific individuals who did the killing or the painting, the vandalise. When she still feel a little bit like. Get the fuck out of our home and the timescale for how long. Could Chin people have been living there. And home. As compared to how long white people have been coming around and. Vandalizing destroying. And, killing. Comparatively recent history. And for somebody like Calvin, who actually does have a deep sense of heritage? And lineage culture. It's all still happening. Colonialism is still happening. You may not be in the form of. Smallpox ridden blankets anymore. But it's still. Coming at them in the form of tax bills. Missionaries. and. Yes. Even podcasters. Like me trying to come and. Tell their story for them. And I may not have been the person to snatch children away from their parents myself. Or hit those children in the head with a stick when they speak their own native language in their English boarding school. But I wasn't born there. I'm an outsider who came barging with my microphone. Expensive. Rei camping gear and high minded idealism that I learned in the United States of America. The country that claimed the land that Kelvin's people have lived on for three hundred centuries as our own. and. If you think of how recently we did that to them in terms of. The House analogy before. Just, to let that time line of how recent history is a little bit. If you lived. In that House for twenty years. Now recently, and that same ratio of time that your house became the official property of the invaders, Aka the united, states of America. Two weeks ago. For the Chin all of this just happened. And it's still happening. And still. The cushion invited us into their homes. They were kind to us. They told us their stories. We lost our culture, our way of life. and. That's what happened to us. My Mom's sister Bachchan most of my people died from starvation. Our first visit tourist French people for trapping and their here just only for the price for it was high price then. And that's all they're hit for my thing else. And when they did that they came with Pelisson. It's a strict might liquid strict might. and. What they do is delays that bait on that trap. And any animal each homered fire at their he. And Strict might is very caustic and you can't if it touches your. Skin. Get trembled from air fix that nerve system. And so they use so speak. Up Or gloveman and our people don't know that they don't even know the name for pose it. My mom used to call him our young. Don't go over that. Derby I don't see nothing dirty about it. and hair that's a cap and Los de trapper state in and I didn't know what he don't touch nothing. Don't eat the berries don't go near you know and all that kind of. That woman's name is Sarah and she was our guide and host through the village. Not only did she share her home in her stories with us? But she gave us a first hand experience. Of the strength. Of Her and her family and our people. How hard they fought? Over the years. Fought for their children for their culture. For the slammed. For the Earth. All the decades that they've fought politically in the United States. For Big Oil to not come into this specific plot of land. This has been going on. For decades. And until now. They've managed to hold the back. With. This tax bill colonialism has reared its ugly head again. Very direct violent way. And is threatening not only the ecosystem and the animals in the life. That depend on it. But also the beautiful people. will be most severely affected. You know. Right now, the federal government's GonNa try to. Go for all in in the coastal plain. This is Sara's brother Gin. Area where Where animal used? For breeding cabin ground for a Terrible hurt also. Geese. Got Dino. Thousands and thousands of teeth goes up there. S. Some of them fly as far as from South America to. Tunis ness up there. WHAT WOULD WRECK DOT In. A pint capital hurt calving ground is right gear rick where they WANNA grow. In atelli what animals are one animal? There while. In. Any kind of disturbance. would. Would hurt that hair. All my life I live off the land. This is Charlie. Hunt fish trap all my life. Right now, we got a big major threat to. To wildlife out there you know Caribou days sensitive just like any other animal. At certain times a year it is windy. Our most sensitive. That's when they have their young. Where they to where they have their young as where they want to drill for oil yeah. I look at where they used to migrate and the people that used to live off of that. Caribou, they're not there no more that's what's going to happen with this this her to the same thing's going to happen there One day digging up and they want nothing more to do with it Like I said during that time of year, that's when they're they're more sensitive. I don't know if you've got a chance to see the trails while you were up there the trails Caribou go through. Those trails they've been going through them for thousands of years in the same trails that they're going through right now. And that good that goes to show you how how many years they've been migrating up there. have their young. The last time that I flew up there and I see those trails and the ice. I can't even imagine I try to imagine how many millions of Caribou went through those trails. or thousands of years. That's what they want to continue to do. You know and they develop they develop oil up there in big oil rigs and drilling rigs and stuff like that. That's going to change They, go somewhere else. We don't see them no more with. That, this is our lifestyle here. Part of our life you a big part of our life. Yeah so Yeah, it's The idea that. In just a few hundred years. Tens of thousands of years could be disrupted as the sounding it is it is you know. evil. Yeah Like I was saying, you know you look at the beauty of this place it used to be like that all over the world. Remote areas it's not like that no more very, very few places left like this. I was taught that when you go out in, would you respect the animals, the water and the land? That's the way I was raised. Until the day I die, that's what I'll be doing. It's not just a danger to the animals. It's dangerous to the terrain is danger to the water. You know They say that. They have technology to do things right. But at the same time, they're still major oil spills happen right? Well, where's all the technology they're talking about? You look at the you look at the Dakota, a pipeline. What happened last year? Yeah. That's a big disaster. and. For years and years, they say oil companies say they have the technology to do it right Well, if if that's so then stuff like that wouldn't happen. Got Another big threat up here right now too. That's with climate change. And a big part of climate change has to do with fossil fuels and that's what they want to go after more of it. Yeah. Yup. Yup. Big Big. Change that we see here now this the permafrost thawing out. You look at it. Different species of fish like the salmon. There they're runs aren't like they used to be an I know a lot of that has to do with the water temperature. Yeah. So. Yeah it's a big part of our life right here living off the land. That's how we stay alive. You know you can go down to the river with a cup and. Drink water. All right out of the river. There's places like fairbanks increase. You can't do that. Other major cities. Even, outskirts of you can't do that. We could still do that here. Are. Other people that. Don't they don't really think about. Other people's lifestyle specially out in rural Alaska. What they always think about is money. Yeah. You can have all money in the world you go out and which and get stuck all that money and whirling could help you. Know. We've been living like this for. Generations. And that's what that's how we want to continue to. Bring you know some people might say that it's you. You come here. The people are kind of poor well. You're look at our lifestyle. This is a rich lifestyle we live. You know you look at these people here they're healthy. You know everything that we eat pretty much natural. You look at obesity. Now you look at diabetes and stuff like that. All this is from processed food. I mean. I can't I go to store and I look at some places in our cooler area how much microwaveable food there is there. It's virtually impossible for you to go down to store every day and buy store bought food year round here it's virtually impossible. This is our home here. This is where we live. That's the way we want it. That's the way we want to keep it. A big part of that lifestyle has to do with careful. Nice to do with the ducks geese, the fish. Moose deer sheep. Yeah. There's a big decline sheep over two years to. And I I have a feeling. That's. Things like that is going to continue if things don't start changing. Yeah. You know I think about the younger generation or ten years from now what are they going to have to go through? If things change especially with oil companies up there. You know maybe not in my lifetime I but. The ones behind me power, they can have living. That's what we're trying to watch out for our future generation. A long time ago before we were boring or when we were kids and all that. The elders that's what they were watching out for for future generations. That's what we're trying to do right now. Yeah I don't know I know it's a it's a big battle that we're up against but We don't. Give Up. person. After person. Story after story. And one couldn't help but feel the way all of this. Isn't just. About a single plot of land. It's not just about. Republicans or Democrats or oil companies or conservationists. This is also story about colonialism. The story about how one group of people. The people of European descent. Came to land that was not their own. And used their religion. To justify the violence cruelty and. Genocide. Countless. People. Cultural genocide as well. That has happened in is still happening. With the government is currently doing in choosing short term oil profits. At the expense of all of us in the long run. Is Not just an isolated event. It's another action another act of violence in a long line of actions. Another. Kick to the. Head. Of some of the most oppressed people on this continent. As they already rely on the ground leading. My question is steer literature. Are We okay with that? Are we just going to sit by and write it off as their problem? Or could we use? Some of the. Millions of voices that listen to this podcast. To speak. Up. And say, no. This is not. Acceptable. We're running out of native. Only. Probably. Going to see I speak my language. And I'm full blooded. And I'm handsome assailed so. After this. Probably be no more but that is what? The doing other people know. If you religious. Christian. What the Hell do you stab? I mean either you. Can. If you have to. Say Get up in the this strong I can sleep at my. Should really do something about this. Especially the white people. South happening. If you're interested in using your voice to help. Kelvin Sarah Gideon and Charlie and all the question people. And our earth. All of us. As it relates to this situation in the Arctic go to the logistics dot com slash Arctic. Because, this is sort of an evolving fight. that. Page will be updated with information and it will also allow you to sign up for an email us to get. UPDATES and calls to action for ways that we can help. Again, the litter just stuck com slash Arctic feel free to pause this episode now. Just add your that list so that you can. Join. The people that are fighting for the question and for the sacred piece of land. Thank you. Of all the people we spoke to you. Think the hardest conversation. But. The one that I felt was most necessary was the first one we had with Kelvin. And some of the things that he pointed out and some of the frustrations that he expressed about having these conversations over and over and over and not quite seeing people who have those conversations with him doing much else after that point. I felt like. There was maybe this part of my brain. That I hadn't fully I don't know I guess maybe deconstructed from of. For my previous religious experience of like I'm going to go do some really good work in the world here I go and then is getting there and having this conversation with this person. Just. Knocking in the best way knocking down. Any idea that I had of myself being centered in this experience at all or us or what we are doing being centered and it was the conversation with him was tense and I feel like it needed to be and that when we were walking back after that conversation I felt the magnitude of the why behind the whole trip Hit me in a way that I don't think it had before when we were just alone with ourselves on the coastal plain that. That conversation was really moving for me as well. I just walk away. Tears is because. I, think what? The biggest thing I got out of this trip was a sense of of history and of. How. Not In a vacuum, this one thing is it's not just this one issue about this particular land with these this particular tribe. Have the sense when you spend some time in this region How long these people have been here? How intimately? Interwoven into very land itself. It's not just. This. It's like this has been happening to them now. Since white people moved into the area and said, this is our land here you can have part of it. As long as Xyz like making the move into villages. Making them change their whole way of life in the now it's just. It's so obviously the shitty thing to do. To go in there and Yeah, okay. Now, we're going to drill here. So obviously inhumane when you feel the whole picture. Yeah so it was it was a good amount of. Anger and sadness and. Feeling of the injustice of how these people have. been treated. William said something. Yesterday I think just It was just a statement that felt like it brought a lot of levity just the thought of. Claiming land is so violent. Does the idea of coming into a place that Is Not Yours in saying it's my now Lico on. Like when we were talking to Charlie. And you pointed out Mike. Saying you know I, my ancestors came to this land in this year how long have your ancestors been here and I mean hundreds of generations it's nothing short of just absolute violence us going to the Arctic village. To me highlight it how just complex and complicated? All of this just really is how kind of what you were saying Muhammad Meshed it. All is compounded the pain is, but also how compounded the legality in the politics and the the original sin it's all. It's kind of all been something that has been perpetually. Leading towards these people's dissemination, their termination, their extinction. And this is just one more fight that is showing that they're not valued that they're not loved that they're not. Seeing that they're not her that they have no real agency even when the government I guess gives them land whatever that means allows them to become a sovereign nation how Of It self is. A A step towards their own extinction because they're not even given the tools necessary to even support themselves. And their starting off in debt, they're starting off in poverty. So yeah. When we went to Kelvin tiles and he raged at us in that moment I I understood that I was like, i. I know the frustration of this and I honestly I felt it was an honor and a privilege just to even be in the situation where. I could hear someone else's pain. And he could just throw at me and I can just take. It didn't have to defend myself I. Didn't have to explain myself and have to explain my motives or motives or. Will this is going to help you and why would you know none of that? Mattered it was simply. Thank you for sharing I. Hear You I see you. I can't take any of this away. But? I can be a witness to the fact that you're here that you exist and your story matters and the pain of your people matter. That was some of my biggest takeaway and obviously like. Colonialism is. It really is like. It is royally screwed. With all of and especially in nation People who are literally fighting for their own existence. In a way that even a lot of us more in the states. Just don't quite understand. What have you been able to take away Mike? I think I was struck first by the scale of Arctic. Habitat. And the necessity of the scale that of that Habitat. Such short summers and such intense winters. There's not a lot of time. To build a plant based Food J.. So. With that, you know relative lack of. Floral density. You, need these huge spaces. And flying for hours and hours. In saying, no infrastructure no. Power lines no roads. It put some context into the cost on the natural world. Of. A modern Western lifestyle, right? So most of our continent. Habitats are far more pressure from infrastructure. And that continual. Pressure on ecosystems. Is. Really dangerous for us not only for climate change, but also for the stability of the the web of life that exists on this planet. And even before we consider the gross indignity to this native population. That oil extraction in the coastal plain would look like this is one of the last. Naturally behaving ecosystems on the planet in a really fragile area the permafrost we know contains. Immense. Carbon. And adding infrastructure and industrial activity at this moment seems to be the Moshe worse shortsighted move we could make. As a people but we're also the same people that elected a climate change denier right as critical moments. So I guess it shouldn't be that surprising and the other thing I was struck by. Was the. Reality. Of a sustainable way of living as exhibited by first nations people in Alaska, they genuinely live in greater harmony with the natural world. Then The. Rest of US share this continent. Progressive Climate centered organizations could do well. To model their advocacy. Around the lifestyle leadership of native people who were successful custodians of this land for thirty thousand years. Whereas, we've kind of squeezed all the pulp. Out The orange in a short three, hundred, the differences in those. Scales of damage. Over time. Are. Really Start. Actually, made me feel really hopeless. But saying folks like Sarah and Folks Charlie. Who have been. Fighting this fight. For decades before I was born. And they don't give up. So, who am I to say sometimes, I, feel too tired to continue. What's that quote that? Anna Jane Joyner gave us. About. Hope. You want to say that you don't need hope we need courage. Yeah and that's really resonated with me across the arc of this entire experience. I think that's that's why I wanted to come here and I want it to us to go on this trip was to kind of get a little bit outside of our. Heads I mean, I mean integration five I know Michael's Ingraham five to kind of a are hetty abstract like especially talk about these types of issues whether it's climate or. Race or whatever I want us to do something that was really on the ground talking to people and also immersing ourselves in nature an in the very problem that we often. So easily talk about because I know I just pull out my phone and I read an article and I tweeted I share it or maybe if I'm really woke welcome at a party. Do you guys know about This going on in the world right. and. So there was something really important about. Positioning ourselves physically in this remote space that yes is beautiful holy and sacred, but it's also. Contested and is also the battleground for probably what's going to become one of the biggest fights Fights of our generation which will be Are. We going to preserve one of the last remaining great wildernesses? Are we going to preserve the last great wilderness? I think that's the question we've got to ask ourselves. And as a person of color I thought it was so important to show up in the space because we don't always get opportunity to show up in these types of environments and also to even interact like. Our struggles are often so disconnected like. So the black liberation struggle oftentimes can feel very disconnected from the indigenous freedom struggle, and so I really wanted to get on the ground at least. Be, around people that have experienced the same wound and hear their stories and. I don't know I feel like I don't know if bringing awareness will fundamentally change anything but I think it's courage for us to. All of us to say. We need to protect the Arctic. and. So let's show up in. Let's at least. Try to do something and that's I would say a reason I am very glad it was definitely a lot to go from three days in complete isolation in solitude to immediately. Like taking a tour of the village and interacting with people we'd never met before and doing like five or six interviews all back to back to back. It was a lot. But I am really glad that we did it that way and we did it in order. To be able to spend time connecting with the land. And that land not only than having an holding meaning for us as visitors to land. But then I feel like that it conceptualizes that much more. Why the fight matters because again we can you know we can watch a movie or video or look at pictures or read the articles do the research but actually being in that physical space, it's hard to even really put into words what it feels like that specific order felt very meaningful to commune with the land and then hear from these people who are in love with and are protectors of in are in deep relationship with the land why that land matter so much a real of like we as humans we idea that we so fundamentally believe that were separate from the land. And truthfully like the land is going to be five. Momma is going to do what she's GonNa. Do we actually are the Earth's doing what it's doing and the cost is not going to be tomorrow mother. The cost of US resisting flowing with the natural order of things rather than flowing with the natural order of things, the cost is to us the cost is our own suffering and we're cutting off our own legs is wilderness is not something that's separate from me down in La. This. Earth is what sustains humans. The biosphere the whole. It's all totally interconnected. This is not just. It's it's indigenous people closest to it. Now, that are most effective now, but it's all part of the same system. It's. US screwing with that land and and sucking the blood out of its veins. It's part of our body. It's not like it affects all of us eventually. Yeah. The. Chicken and the. Different indigenous peoples are GonNa have the worst quickest. Suffering from US doing that. As, but it's it's not it's all part of our own body and so that it felt. To me like. Being. Able to see and really important part of my body that I never pay attention to and I. Realize it's like We're thinking about just. MANGLE ING IT and. Harming, it like, why would why would we do that? Why would we? Just. That short term. Get a good quarter for the oil company things like why. What are we? Really so shortsighted As. has are feeling of separateness from the land really gone that far yes. Hasn't. We hope you've enjoyed this episode of the literature podcast. Your hosts have been William Matthews Jamie Lee Finch Science Mike, and myself Michael Gungor. And One more reminder for all of you to go to the liturgy dot com slash. Arctic to sign up for an email lists that will keep you abreast of what you can do for the refuge the question people in this wondrous planet of ours. We'd like to offer our big thanks to our friends of the Wilderness Society for making this trip happened. Since their start in nineteen thirty five, the Wilderness Society has been at the forefront of nearly every major public land victory in the United States. Each day thousands of acres of wild places are lost to mining, drilling, logging, and other development. We don't have to give it all together. We can protect public lands. And The folks at the Wilderness Society we're just so grateful for for being at the forefront of that battle. Today's episode was produced and edited by me with some assistance by. Haydn and Carter John. Music. Was By on Earth Limited. A special thanks to our patrons on patriotic for making this show. Possible. All the love to all of you. Thanks for listening everybody.
Cool FAB-Racing 2019 - Round 2: Red Lodge Saturday Qualifying
"Five our T with caffeine from green tea leaves. It's delicious energizing and comes in three amazing flavors was zero sugar and four calories. It bitch your life with its compact size import ability. It goes where you go to the campsite, the hiking trail the beach without weighing you down by our T caffeine from green tea, leaps. Release your natural side from the makers of five hour energy. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com. Good afternoon. Welcome to live coverage of various two of the two thousand nineteen cool fab racing. British many championships, the official partner Savy's to the British superbike championship. And on the way to Moto GP. Plenty of great action over the course of the twenty seven races live on the cool bracing websites. I know social media over the course of the week and well after the scorching temperatures said he seven and a half degrees over the weekend of July the twenty eighth and twenty ninth last year. We're on to the term tip, it ain't pool. Weld is decidedly much colder. A lot more wins. That's going to be pushing the writers down the loan fastback straight into very tight happen. But the thank you this weekend's action Liam Hudgens to my left. We've got Finn. Hey, who's joining us full the coming? She for some of the country. This became mine. Aims saimaa. Thank you very much for tuning in. And joining us plenty grace actions come over the weekend, including the second qualifying session, full the forty rookies some of the sessions to look forward to over. The course of this afternoon's action not just qualifying. But the racist to we start with the AC forty Luque's, many teepee seventies will be the second session ahead of AC. Forty pros the pet bike one forty and motor teams. Second qualifying will be out around twelve thirty six including one Misir, Bradley, Ray will be covering all of that. And more suggest the junior Elsie forty. Elites senior mini motos, many GP fifties extreme to hundreds and as ever the mini phone psychos. And I was just qualifying. We've got an entire set of aces this afternoon as well loaded with action whites up till the end of the day out of five quarts, positive five and. Please do get it socialist on social media lettuce. No way it changing from who you're supporting this weekend who you think's going to do really well around the very tricky read law circuits in Suffolk sons came richer on Liam well, we spent a fantastic weekend. So far we've had fantastic warm dry conditions aimed Friday's twenty sessions. We had overnight quite a lot of rain which made as Jamie king told us yesterday courts victory. Quite greasy is then joined up again. But it looks like it may rain cooler temperatures, the Bice may struggle little bit with these cold temperatures. Welcome to launch festival and plenty of action as you say, it's come obsolete done. It's being as you say the action yesterday ready grumpy confessions on we have well slip your conditions today. And we have more raiders on stock if not possibly have agreed station and nearly parts of the morning, but as the day's going on. Hopefully, the stations will grip Upala bet. And of course, maybe we'll get some sunshine well, sunshine Archie Gabes provisionally at the top of the session with a fifty four points. One seven nine. Over seven and a half tenths quicker than Blake Wilson in second place. Only SIMS covered the in third place. Three of our turning writers for Macy footsie rookies, season alone with Lee fitches and Brendan keen that should talk five say, well, fin wasn't you introduce yourself. Let us know who you'll I why joining us in the country about this weekend. And how's how's it going Scifo? On here because call me reysen would be in seventy clause normally, but my legs broke Burkey lost round dot Llandough. If any of you to Kroc, we're short fevers have spoken about this. Yeah. So the crash they climbed oh, we can't. And it was a nasty one. You just tell us how you the crash broke your leg. Well, we went. I went into the have been over two. Oh in my LA in and run into happen. I lost the front and then the bike sled my leg truck, but flipped and start rolling in and twisted, my leg, and it's not that's pretty nasty. How are we feeding? Now, you feeling a bit better house the treatment baloney lake so far, we law treatment, we we'd be going to books and chambers almost every day each week trying hailed honor should be back for the full round. Well, that's a shame that, you know, could have you back for the Steph van next time, I've type pigeon because you went really well Clay Pigeons last season of France hostak frequently circuit with we'll see bottom washer. You know in this series anymore book when he was in law, and it was a good bottle for we'll see run a very talented that moved onto pastures new. I m many of our rights in this product will we've on attracts you to call for bracing Bill, the the official policies to the SPN of on the voter GPS. Well, I mean, that's great connections. Obviously is low riders come from this series and gonna go Broadway hit this weekend. You had. My brother he was race it in this. He's now. Just your brother as tweeden ease. Right. Running TD. And there's been lots ride is comfort here. So your brother told me racing kicks tightness? We can we believe hasn't the moment. Been very good weather there at the moment is grain is the first race counseled couple of days ago. But even and it looks like an at Montclair. Oh. If you. Be just as good here as well. The I think we've actually messed some of the horrible weather that Yuki has been having. But things course, it does stay dry here and Fantomas ward your goals for when you come back run for ONA. To be strong ONA only show people the. It wasn't last couple rounds and Burma leg. Buck still come back and do the job and be quick while we're certainly looking forward to getting back on the we're certainly join having him in the comfortable. It's over the course of the weekend. You've been giving us some great insights of see some mole, great actual votes. AC foresee rookie still out there for the second qualifying session art, she gives his Lau on a fifty four point zero six three only just under a second ahead of Blake Wilson, the number one eight machine with a fifty six point seven the last lap. Fifty four point nine was the first for bike Wilson fifty four point zero zero four for Archie Gibbs. Check flag as now outs. This is the end of qualifying. Everyone has got to get those final few tents as they come over the line Archie gives out sakes. Checkered flag stays on provisional pole position from Blake Wilson. Second ahead of all sems. Luke Fitchet in fourth. Head of Brandon Kane with William Harris Howie Payne, Marco Holz, Lou Scofield. I'm max where is he your head? Aren't she? Brian head of Jacob Stevenson Wilson, Dilkes, Joshua Williams, and Casey Sperry that should talk fifteen with Callum Maxwell in sixteenth. But it's great limbs. I have a great range of names in this championship a few varieties from last year come in grown in speed. Groaning confidence really know the parks in the circus now as well as some new names really mixing up with topless. Absolutely. Not speaking a little by the names through the free. Look that's coughing station, which has been qualifying to and over the championship results from clan, though, we've got the big names up there. Look at all these sems Archie gaps. Blake Wilson Brandon keen William hottest as just all to play for so far. We have championship leader. All sems back in third sports. No, he got a three two of the three races from clan. They Archie Gibbs. Looks like he's no put. Putting pressure back on taking top spot and going Phil Nain tents quicker than anyone else and looking at qualifying one seven tenths quicker than anyone went and the previous sessions. So there's certainly more grip there for session number two. So I keep coming into the temperature. Best of racing range for the times and the bikes now that is the end of qualifying for the forty rookies they will loose to be our first race of the weekend. Gio as around twenty two three this afternoon. You can check us out s- own the cool five racing website on social media on fabricating animators don't radio as well to loads of qualifying at the moment such as the mini GP. Seventies had outs onto circuits their second qualifying session of the weekend gets underway. As reminder for those of you just joining in. Thank you for joining us. This is the second round of the coup fam- racing. British mini bike championships for two thousand nine. Nineteen where the official partner savings to the BS be and I on the votes Motoji peop-, we've got plenty of great connections in the cool five racing products. Case yo Gorman one dominated is even the vite word to use one. He dominated the championship for the mini GP seventies in two thousand eighteen birds. Evan built the first out onto circuit really itching to get some great results out there. So far Eddie shea, though, does lead the championship ahead of James Cook James was brother max is actually racing. I believe in Spain this weekend with a DC eight has moved on some fantasy gracing again Finn demonstrates, the great connections. We've got we Kufr bracing in some of the the greatest young talent. We've got going off into international racing ready. And we'll just get fintech away with us in just a second. Five in Lafayette is just they've got low riders in some promise impositions moment. Max who could is looking to the good not series in these. If you were the first race they had a few weeks ago in Esterel, he did inequality. Good. He was a bout mid park which really good for his first race. And he's also a red bore. He's believed they so really good place to move on from classic progress has been made by many of our young writers of young is out there for now, though, our committee setting that I I see other flag down at the foreign of the cause quite see why it seems to have come in. So we'll probably bring a couple of turns out to the pace so far but ever bell fit. The number fifty two of visual popish in forty seven point zero one nine plenty of time stills come out. Of let's say far. Yeah. Evan belfort. I will let their previous qualifying session. He's forty seven point four there and he's just going to fill four tenths quicker session. So is looking very strong in the moment. Emmanuel Benton and second spot with a forty seven point three eighty share our early championship leader after winning all three races at Klunder as just been pushed into fourth spot as Owen Meller moves up to third on a forty seven point five right has confessed spot joining garnish and sex as we just had Ryan has moved up two thirds. So as I fear chops and changes is we've got the early lobs coming in the moment done. Well, three minutes just being completed in the second session for the mini P seventies five minutes or so to find a loan we'll pay but there's one writer who's bike is being willed back into the paddock can't quite see for this distance who the writer is we'll get you formation on that during the pace for full. And it just may be technically. Issue. Think fin actually knows who divided is. I think it's a rosy Brown. Who was the we've been willed bucking. Like his bike. Yes. For as Rossi near because we don't want any technical issues hopping any of the raiders because you know, it can be a horrible task trying to get the banks Radi and backer, and stuck it with a small capital of got before the racist. I love to about later on. But if a gap there's a bit of a gap at the top of the time sheet, so far James Cook, forty six point five five six new foster slap difference of point nine nine four over the last few nights just point zero seven four currently with Belford chlorine back a bit of time. So forty four head of fifty two Baillie Stewart Campbell in third ahead of manual Brinson. Ryan Hitchcock that she's helped five only Walker is a head of the Melles Owen. One. Thirty ahead of Dylan me, thirty one. Eddie shea is coming in ninth place championship leader, not having the greatest amount of pace rounds the red load, circuit currently will find some more. Research a talented writer taio pain into tenth place ahead of l Davidson, he's just been dropped down. Because how is it? Cosby sixty nine makes his way into I wanted to just called the woman full Eddie Ochej up to full flakes. The comeback is on Eric. Call him the comeback cats rate with ideal she on bake one one four no this is a little bit different that stock it towards Klunder was it was ready clockwise. That's one is anti clockwise was the Pakistan fruits of this. Infield section this. The biggest difference Delano Alon dollars a little over sweeping corners where the the heavier riders in. The rod is with the with that style had a bit more volunteer inherits the in foods a lot more. Still this is. Bits receive the twisty very different trots. But both good in their in favor of the to the professor one time, you prefer Landa. Yeah. So year got his, you know, racing and maybe not so much. Got it signature into the moment. Wow. I've Belford stuff know about missing out. He's now going to the top of the timesheets forty six point one six zero s I slap a couple of items heading back into the paddock maybe for a last minute tweak to the pike. And it's fifty two now ahead of forty four. Evan bell fit ahead of James Cook, Eddie say up to third place. Join hitch coke and full time down to fifth. We've got a wider just rejoining. The circuit was the the vital grievously came into the. Okay. Well, sir. Quett back into the paddock by Carolina. Great to see happening round to though all the two thousand and nineteen cool fab racing British mini-bike championships live from red lodge and this ever bell fed ahead of James Cook to qualify to of the MSCI p seventeen. I say continue the session at six minutes. I nine all the session could place so far plenty of time for this find a bit little bit more in them to really know where they can get the pace in the best position for the three races. This we can do to salts at five to three this afternoon. The second of this offerings races. And of course to sister. Go tomorrow, plenty to go but ever Belford is head of James Cook that should talk to at shea rounds up third-place refined Hitchcock babies to Campbell. My new Brinton Dila Mela all he Walker Miller. And Davidson that's the top ten with Harrison Crosby Cayo pain. Mason johnson. Great have Mason by the championship ahead of joining garnered fifty seven in full TNT place Sullivan mousy at fifteenth as well Thomas Gomez in sixteenth, but coil pain number twenty five just. Moves up to the top ten. Yes. Unfortunately, some of the raiders from the previous seem to be struggling here. Johnny garnish who was an say the top ten London seems to be down at the bottom of the fringes of the top fifteen and fourteen but that's the story of the similar pace they hot and qualifying one. But as we say, Evan Belfort and hope sports has lots of just come extensively from the previous session. A forty six point one one seconds quicker than the win this morning. So we should can tell the track is definitely heating up more there as the raiders can push a little bit more. And to the circuits James Cook is looking very well. That's we came the AD when it was a runaway leader Kline does seem to be well, it seems to have more of over of a face. Oh, these times this weekend sport. But definitely not too far off the pace two-tenths further back with Ryan has and fourth and only Walker and Feth place. And you're listening to. Kufa racing here at red launch and Suffolk on motorsport radio is live radio coverage, and you can find those on all social media's on Facebook and Twitter at kill fab racing and sport radio failures on twitch as well for all you gamers, they're all about twitch, and of course, YouTube as well, so we're covering all the social media, and you can find anywhere you'd like to see or hear. And if the kill Fabrice thing. Live all we can have for wedlock. If copy fhu are KYW championships from the last few seasons. Going back twenty eighteen twenty seventeen while the full championships. He could follow the full story of many of young writers who have may fantastic progress over the years. Learn more so than Evan Belford who in the session by one thousands of his second was faster than James Cook haw six point one six zero forever Belford and the last lap for James Kirk absolutely sublime, forty six points. One six one of a second. These young writers extremely talented and change committee taking after his brother finding more and more pace. Eddie shea in third at the end of that's one had vine Hitchcock and Ali Walker that she took five Dylan Mela ahead of Baillie Stewart Campbell, my new Brinson and coil pain. Well, fen one thousands of a sec. That's that's pretty close in this championship. Isn't it? Yes, really close haven't really seen a race. Position that close in a long time. Rico's between even just the toll five only less than a seconds. Upper until five was going to be close race. I think the could hope it. I think James Cook is my favorite for the other moment, ease and qualified tries. But he's like he's progressed the law in the last few rounds lost Los season. So I think maybe you surprise people and Galvin's tops book. So the mine is second is your tip for the mini GP. Seventy Seventy-seven thin Frank. Joining us in the upcoming. We can the AC footsie pros are outs for the second qualifying session of the weekend. The first racer cost for the mini GP. Seventy two fifty five pm this afternoon began underway with racing with the faulty rookies at two forty this afternoon, but into the second qualifying session full the full still gonna feel sessions go before the lunch break, we've got the AC forty pros out on circuit. Currently then it will be the pit bike with full see and motel team writers day. Always have a great vied around the rattled. Circuits the junior Elsie foresee elites will be out for the second. Qualifying after them headed into the lunch break for short while then senior many motos will we start our afternoon of action with the mini cheapie. Fifties the extreme see hundreds and the media psychology valley outlive of qualifying then for the course by vases in knots. Older vied is out just on their citing laps for the second. Qualifying session of the foresee pros been very close. I climbed out the first round of the championship is he going to be tough to call again. Liam as fairly tough to call so far this weekend. Mason foster took the spoils at Roan number one winning three out of the is if in sparks, however that chase him home and failty Raissi's Anna's with can with from the early lops. If in sparks on bake, number sixty two highs gonna and he's already puts has money where has my thighs and gone sex tenths faster that everyone else at the most. As I say that Mason folsters just jumped up to far sport on a fifty point seven Samuel Munson slept into second fifty one point four in the moment Clinton Edmunds and thirds fifty two point two and sparks who was ele- leader. And earlier own station has just moved up to third spot to tents or nine tenths Horry off of top spots. Mason four-star, so as we can see the early leaders coming in and Dan looking like, it could be close session is going to be close session. The Viner's course, very just set their first flying lap. So plenty of time to be extracted from themselves from the circuit from the tires as you mentioned, not ceiling. We go to conditions starting to improve the wind dropping down somewhat. So the push down the long back straight very loan section of secular for the editorial to left time into the second half. And that's going to be less of an effect. So many divide is going to fail a bit less boost heading down. Down that parts of the say kit. The sun starting to shine a little bit more as well. So the extra degree or to of track temperature will be critical heading into this qualifying session. Mason foster the first rider to dip into the forty nine for the full t nine point nine zero four. I get gets into the forty Niners in this session. How is it looking in the first qualifying session? This morning will Mason foster was a quicker on qualifying session. But in sparks where it was close by with Samuel Munson, also close by Clinton Edmonds fed and where is well. So it's just seems to be. A carbon copy of what happened red number one clan. Though cashier main back to what happened a few weeks ago. Mason foster won all of the US's from Clendenin completes ago. Inspire second and the championship only only twenty seven points for the back from Mason forced but heat. Chase it Mason forced to heart and risks to Andrea three. Unfortunately, I have a mess up Samuel Munson as in third spot taken thirds and Rhys one two and three. So he's very consistent in third spot. And he's looking very good so far. That's we can't as you just moved up to second place. Henry McCartney as a fourth place from ROY number one and fin where to just mess there in a couple possessions, run number one day, but Clinton Edmonds that take start I say sports and recent number one. So a lot to look forward to that. We can done forty this weekend. Two of the two thousand nineteen cool. Racing. British mini bike championships the official partner series to the SP analysts Moto GP this just one of the early steps for many of our young voters in the paddock number sign. Mason Fuster still at the head of the session. Eight ten or six hundred head of Samuel Munson in second place. So eighty eight out of seventy two then is sixty two of Ethan sparks in third place. Just two point point two seven seven behind Samuel moments in nine tenths behind. Mason foster point one seconds behind the oval leader is an Edmonds in fourth place finisher. Where is he not too far away? Either. That's took five Henry McCartney Charlie hunting foot Cameron. Sue, Greg Marshall Amorn Brady the top ten holy Harris and Aston dean and eleven and twelve at Holly HAMAs. Well, we ping after a interesting year for her last year. Limit fifty miles doing well say. Foreign eleventh place, plenty of all time to come from her Mason foster previous time by a good fee. Footsie nine point six six seven just point zero four zero ahead of Samuel Munson on the forty nine point seven zero seven. Yes, I'm you'll Munson is being putting a couple of consistent fast lap teams there. You started off the previous love one point one second further back from Mason foster, but no just just the gap to four hundreds of a second soy's looking very consistent there on star. Kids fed you've been keeping a close eye in championship from plan and over to read loggia tapping this weekend for a good result. Possibly the wrist ones. This Mason, I go be the winds, but. Point out play Edmonds because he's been racing are in Italy a few weeks ago, so he may be causing upset maybe on the podium times. And then even sparks is look promising in the loss, the London with two seconds. Indeed, two second places. I wasn't just two second. He's dead. Chase. The early championship leader Mason foster home on two of the three occasions. So as you say, he's looking really good clicked Edmonds didn't know he was over in Italy. So he's been getting up at practice, and it must be different conditions to go here. Read Lord this weekend. So may be taking time to faintest feet form, the warmer conditions to the killer conditions here by one point three seconds off which means qualifying. It may not be too bad journa- Raissi's. You never know. What can happen when it comes to to resent anything can happen in motorsport? Right. Well, you strays over the years, but Mason Fuster stays on provisional pole position. Forty nine point six six seven only just slow the last night footsie nine point six seven one. So very consistent for Mason, foster Atlema, this caller fine to full the foresee crows thank you for joining us live on the call fab racing websites. Done Ma in the Hutchins in the country alone with fen joining us for some excellent insights as to what they would be up to over the course of a week handle. Well, qualifying say fin you've had a good qualifying. How does that how you have to prepare going into the vases? Well, good qualifying each though in their thinking, the go you've had quick lap. She know that you can do again, don't consistently. And then you go out that and you'll you should be good feel by qualifying. It said different mindset, completely you go out there thinking legal that good saw IGA bio in the park. He goes saying a different mindsets. Depending on qualifying big of the race run from what you've got yourself as being a better racer or passer qualifier race, it definitely. Good example of is a blind goes law here profiles in eighth and a managed to get. Third about seconds anything often rice goes law season testing vessel, very very wet. So you did very keeping on the island for that. We can check out for the forty pros and a further improvement for Mason Fuster Fulham point zero six seven base winning joined the six sevens. I'm the force of the moment just proved it by nearly half a second several Munson in second place just point six point six four area behind on a Fulton on point seven zero seven nine proven after's lost fan slap. Ethan sparks clay's in Edmonds on that at both with and wear team fifth ahead of Henry McCarty. Johnny Huntingford Cameron. Sue white Brady, Gregg Marshall, Holly, hammers and Aston Dane that is your round up for qualifying to full the full. He pros. Twenty nineteen Kufa bracing British mini bugs championship. You're listening to live coverage of the second mounds all the cool fab racing. British mini-bike championships lie from red lodge? Greats. We can't ahead of us. Plenty of action still to come including Liam the payback one full team Moto teams them out for the second qualifying session in well there, they house of the assembly area, quite a few very talented artisans, including a base b. Yeah. The PSB radio that you're talking about as a rodri- oversee the and the British superbike category at the moment on look invaded, quite Vati goods. All we can to open qualifying one on forty-nine point three Ben Billy and second spot from that previous session on forty eight point eight. So he's looking eighty eighty five winning comes to the sessions the moment Harvey who's been doing too. Well, let's begin moved up to four spot in qualifying one Jamie king came into we can fill a fire telling us that he's ready for the weekend. At has has circuits here is to impress has funds. And of course, he's family who's come along to joy. Them and the risks. We can't hear at red lodge. You're telling us yesterday that the tried fills faded Griffey ratings witness drive when it comes to rain as we had overnight and early morning sessions as quite slow and slippery. They're so mad if you incidents and the class on this session on until sports who will be hearing from all weekend when he joins and the comedy box pants and seventh and we hide joined patents. I said wrote petted and seven four there. I'm John painted and ten sport there. So moving up Alessio bets from the previous sessions through the weekend. So it could be John painted took John petites on raw petite. So may began to lots of wrong at the moment. Well, never mind the pace never mind. The name is Blake. I'm so at the top of the time sheet, so far fifty three point three. Now Crosswhite sent out citing. Trump weighty will pay a big parts of this qualifying session. And of course, all the aces, right way. Yet had a time is out there at the moment on the pit bike fourteen. Last time we had join us Wilson Bill loss. He's twenty eighteen for the basis for the havoc with the saw marshalls consistently BB's whole night time, he came down the pitch type person on the bites but not quite so for you will get ISIS. Probably takes very well. Ben Bailey, setting the benchmark full see nine point six five seven had a Blake Ansel, Jamie king in third ahead of a tease. Petit's grad by up to fifty years. Best of the moment. Gilbert and safe place in Jackson in seven the headed Calloway, bro. Honestly connect- throwing versus the Mateen. Void is yet to set a very time. Now, the both t- bite is to have a tricky one around ahead. They join up this much troll to Butch foster. The straight line on many straight lines to be had worldwide at pulling off to the in failed. Kearsey is live. If you go to bed of you who that is wash my ice. It was love at banter. So could also see her test. It looks like a technical. See anyone crush source Ray across from recall Matry possession. And I don't know if it's a technical failure mechanical failure by trying to get started and playing around with also back to try and find it while you're post happening, but we'll keep an eye on if it can make you can make the the this the bake start against bath onto try, but Sam as we said, we've got Ben Billy and FRA sports and the PB one forty closet. Just one point five seconds ahead of dry. Just one point five six quail. We could see me king and click on sold moved up to four down from third to fourth. Charleena's bet who was here yesterday. But yes, so he has export who was doing the plank Klunder is headed by straight. So we may see more onto from charleena's. But threat the became have Richard Holmes Williams cyclist in Jackson seven Harvey cloudy of the towns Cup and its role petite and nine thirty hick and transport there. So the leader all the motor team class as dot in hottest as Simon close has just moved up to love there. So Simon clouds in eleven with the leader and the motor seep so far as you say motor teams don't have the Fronton tool to the paper. I would forties joy. So they'll sugar to be asking they were Landau will set circus season. Search is the next China clay pigeon. The Moto team will win. Get into the make too much troughs bikes bet Beatty. Forty eight points eight zero five five cents found Jamie cake seven tenths behind Blake answer with third just twelve thousand per second. But hind JV tank, surely it's up to fourth Rodway fifth, and it's going to get back closer at the boom. Simon clouds say adding this between himself and understand in fifteenth place. They are the first to Boto team riders out there, Richard who's Williams and seven grand closing in Harvey climate into ready. Talk lineup for the top six positions. Would you have? Let's give. So the motor table even close. Your ride made his championship is so throws for service. Top time today, isn't it? Command for. Eric vs go. He's a he looks very very good. So far this weekend on last? We e. Jay king. He was a second jump in Longview. Let me see that was the holy one. It lost. You. Guitar. Join us base just moved up. He looks. He's a s. She was four as well in base base. So. Spot with law Talon in this clause, even in the Morton team, Simon clouds sincerity if these paints VIPs darn on says, well, he's being more the pit bikes. Who'd be your alternate person to race against within this bus. About. Zona race against everyone at the moment and racing. Well, great him. I too many of the vibe in this product ready. Look to the second look up to what he's done a chief and BSP, but he's caused the ODI won't be served. Many top might is coming through the cool fabric system. Go on to great international and national levels Bainian. Both want to though as a level ahead of everyone else five tenths of a second quicker, finding charleena's pension Jamie king and Thad Blake on suing Harvey climate up to the top line ahead of Williams. Graduate in seventh place me beholding the pace eight reserve we feel Bernie hook eight the head of me juice petits intent ahead of interaction jump petits. Then he's boy four easily managed to get ahead of Simon clouds full the head of the votes team category with countywide brower phase connect- rounding out the top sixteen. And then I. Ground and fourteenth five five six machine making some great progress as well. Yes. So as great guests to the bottom of the top fifty near specialty from the move to team class. Just looking at the LOP teams film this morning. They don't seem to be a quick as we're seeing Ben Billy who end the session and seconds Balsam qualifying one as roughly on his same sports or is a fourteen point eight five what's as sex from one hundreds of a second quicker than renting this morning. So he went on a forty eight point eight two super tree sell fourteen point five this Bill down the order nausea mistake troubles. Maybe just trying to say back. They said there may be no getting try or maybe it was just extra the peace and this session. Charleena's at the moment. So kid be close bottle for the PB one forty and motor teams. We've got Jamshil leader. Ben Bailey, leading the way he took the spoils Klunder rent one old TVs, when's battle weather Monte bowls over the entire session entire Raissi's on. We've also got charleena has hit chased him, Dane Bochum. Fortunately, he rents a couple of troubles through the forest random Jimmy king. I bought in the championship picked up to putting possessions and race one I to and three sorts for there. And in fortunately, Harvey, cloudy up second spot and risk number one, the previous rainbow messed out on a fag pudding possessions and raise to and of course, race number fee. As checkered flag comes we've got banned. Billy make an improvement on the team and going going the quickest of anyone and any of the stations for the PB one forty and multi team class at this. Weekend's Ben Bailey has just sent forty eight point four nine seven go Blake. Ansel and second Jamie king third done. Now, we've got vita he's slowed at the end of the course is yellow fight the final corner, sir. Nine was going to be able to make proven the session. I can't see who the vitamins, but it doesn't like them expensive. They have managed to get going to say come over the line coming over the mind as the number twenty us Blake. And so the vitamin second place had bite troubles at the very end of that session. These coins, vases of out, the wedlock circus with timing. Troubles in about eight or nine laps are doesn't necessarily bode well for the rest of the weekend racing for bed. Beatty will look at that smile. Number one, eight is five tenths of a second ahead of break out. So that is your provisional pole position holder, Jamie place. Great run out from j b with Harvey Claridge, charleena's pits adventured Williams being the top six that is Henry reduce had a Broadway, buddy. Hooked in Jackson's vote. Petite Jeune Petit ran out. Second teeth ahead of the Brown. Sunday. Clouds and Anderson. Fifteenth sixteenth did mention the Moto team vipers would struggle over the course of the week. And hey, I read those just ready the my team why does so much but fifty six great actions. Indeed. Yes. The multi team the runners raiders will have a good chance to catch up an early championship leader who was Hudson Kenna who was challenging some of the PB one forties at Colombo. So he's not here this weekend. Saw Simon close dot and understood and the rest have agreed oportunity to catch and surpass Watson, Canada and Klondike four weeks ago and not to it doesn't really feel that long ago. We had the first round of the championship bugs round of the two thousand nine hundred cool fab racing. British many by championships. We are going to get the session. The way we don't quite sure the final results of pole position for that session. We will get information. Gee as soon as we get it. But for now qualifying as over for the pit by fourteen teams and the Judy Elsie full. He'll eats Lloyd off over the light full that first few citing laps junior. Elsie foresees. Have traditionally always been a very close championship. Joining gonesse. I'm Mason foster looked to his you Basle firm seasons pass minute Brinson just banish that can be to makes it up with Clayton. Ebbets and Sullivan Mounsey highness tell you this. Sure. Campbell Charlie hunt. Holly, Harris, just serve the fantastic things. We have in this category as success Elsie foresee elites much as it was case go low season. Well, it can't really be a springboard of your vitamin correct? Course, we are the official party to the British superbike championship all the votes GPS. Well. Loza? Great connections. Lows are fantastic raise really push on aids. At a spotlight fed. You are what are these fantastic. We've got eight the paddock. Julia Elsie foresee is one of the voices time potatoes. Some of the past winners had think Casey wanna log ride is going on good in the fifties. On the seventy clauses of one this done. Good in this championship is a good place to move forward onto the bigger bikes. Think it's very close on is is very quick sometimes even quicker than the fifty laws. Short terms. It can't be birth weights. See how that pace works out. He's looking very nice sunny dry hair red lodge for the second marriage of the two thousand nineteen sharpie ship conditions could get really much better. Right is starting to make the first flight from getting the full details of those in a few moments time, but as a reminder for the rest of this after these action, we'll be going for the break after this should so time to have a nice relaxing. Get pucks ready for the first set of Acis this afternoon. But I. Senior devote so second qualifying often won't forty eight PM t p fifties extreme to hundreds and therefore sidecars Minneapolis psychos. Ran our sanctity. Qualifying? We start racing out around twenty three or two forty PM this afternoon starting with the fourteen rookies butts in the Judy Elsie forty elites who's the name of the times, it is, of course, Joyti garnish Fifty-seven on a full point to just career finding Sabur pay Sullivan Mounsey three thousands of a second just behind Johnny Ghana's penam basin foster pool. Sit out of the back. The ACS war point three seconds difference between last night's three tenths of second is difference between base process of Johnny Gonesse boats. Eight point nine two nine two seven four Klay safer. Yes. Absolutely. Some fantastic. Lap-times coming in especially film. Mason foster has just went four to eight point nine two nine which is faster the more joining garnish done and qualifying one Soland by a couple of hundreds but nonetheless quicker than what they went their own in the morning joining Garner's early championship leader foam cleanser ticking all three race. When so Mason foster as looking to hopefully, and has part to Opole, so Johnny garnishes slow has speed of rates Dona Letta. So he can maybe catch up in the championship or surpass them and the championship. Standings Sullivan, moans e who had a greet where previous rain their red number one. Client, Emmanuel Brenton and third spot at the moment joining garnish gone from the early. The early leader foam qualifying one on of course, that session has jumped into four spot at the moment of Clinton Edmunds and Feth John Josh star and sex pot. It sparks and seventh ruining hottest is just dropped a couple possessions there Samuel Munson and Nathan Henry McCartney and ten of young town. Fash raiders fend. Her you keeping your eye for this weekend. Cella Monte, I think Kia very brave ride, and he's always is. He's he's a bigger Mason from two on during on us and just are single neom infield. While the truck you love the opon- because he was the by could Brown bit more. He's a lot better than other raters saw is good in Enfield part of the tried for example, coming out of the corners onto the bags dre and onto the front straight at Maitland. I'm done a little bit. Maybe easies look good in previous races. We've got a vied. He's just stopped at number sakes, yellow flags arouse, and she was going over to get the bike restarted the bikes. But I think they fully I think this is like tentacle she with the pike turn of six the Coles. That means we gotta get a flag. So no further fast times can be set for the next level. So as yellow fakes routes looks like some you Munson over there could well be Samuel Bunsen. We'll get confirmation of that as they get back to the bike thinks restarted. It's they rejoined the session yet. I flex Wilco aid butts that will halt the progression of first times for the next lap. Or so five minutes twenty two the session. God says not an awfully large amounts of time to increase your decrease your time to improve on your position down. You just said the more we'll be aloft team left to increase allowed Tampa as you said that Mason four-star just a to crystal out Tim there. I went on a. Forty eight point eight one seven the previous lab. So he is out and meaning business on track there at the moment, I think it may have been Samuel Munson vitamin ninth place with our problem nonstop time woman at forty six point one nine zero. So we see found problem there for some you'll back of the bike day, which is great also great Johnny Gonesse, its provisional pole position Advani's again by Mason. I forty eight point four nine nine. I think we should stop bother looking at the because they're sees stoked by them. We change for that shows. How exciting dynamic the racing is how even dynamic some of these variety different lifetimes changes by the moment. Just a few minutes left to go. Qualifying to full the junior Elsie forty elites thank you for being in on the cool five racing websites on social media and on motorsport dot media. This is live coverage of round two of the two thousand nineteen coup. February seeing British. Many bite championships. Yes. Oh, Mason foster stole leads the way on a forty eight point four as you said done, we should probably stop commentator on as the moment. Because Joan joining Mason four-star seemed to be switching possessions, every few sayings Sullivan Mundi and third spot at the moment on a fourteen eight point nine only two tenths of of Mason. Forced only a couple of hundreds off the back of joining Garner's Emmanuel Brenton enforce spot the moment, John Josh Binstock, keep Nelson, John but Josh bond star in festival there are Ronnie hottest and second Bank number sixty six Clinton Edmonds on bake one four six and seven sport full by sparks, and if possession now Samuel Munson and Neetu we've just had to be stoppage on try before you go going again, Henry McCartney and tense Taylor Stewart Campbell and eleven spoil their cabinet sill foles up in twelve bake one hundred so that's one doubles Leedle Charlie hunting and start what Brady and fourteen and running. It's all fifteen as whole. Holy hottest few seconds further. Back from Mason foster a lot to contain to come and Norton prove the moments. So you're looking for a couple of raiders at the moment. Do you think it could be jaw joining garnish and Mason foster show this weekend? If you're looking at times the talk four on quicker than Johnny did in the first question. So it looks like it's definitely sped off. And but I think definitely it's either Mason or joining is gonna win this weekend. They both look very good offerings Elleman could upset. I think Mason as a lit the best of the way. Really as looking very confident, very quick. And at the last day cleanser took two second place. He's fortunate how to mess hop and raise number two. So I tend mice together enough points. So mash to finish fifteenth now race only got one point. And so we keeps them thirty four points behind championship leader. Joining garner is the checkered flag comes out. So the raiders are getting in the final of the woman had some res- come across it. Sparks couldn't improve and his team stays in eighth cabin sill come across lane can improve on allowed team still on a fifty two point nine. We've also how hot holy hottest come across lane on fifty five point zero. A few more raiders come across land to finish off the lap. At the woman. Will we see any improvements joining gardens kind improve he's up to fourteen point seven per stays there at the moment we've had Samuel Munson move up the drop in sparks back then to ninth. So, of course, lane very shortly manual Brenton moved up to there and got something to say there is nothing. Finest are they stopped on the edge of the truck? The boy doesn't he's trying to joined does get over. But he's walking the bike over the bike GS step out. We starts having a few issues quite sure why heading to the paddock believe he cross the line. So can't quite diagnose the issue. Last night was a fifty point nine seven seven. So can't really suggests that may have been a technical issue preceding before not. So may just be called something heads back to the pilot end of the session. So north too much to where we felt now we hope with saying he says, touchy would but Mason foster forty eight point four five three sets provisional pole position ahead of Johnny Gonesse, undermining Brinson, plenty of action. Still it's come off today as we had into lunch break. The senior remote CEOs will be the first of our next sets of second qualifying sessions fully by the fifties. The extreme to hundreds and the many f- on psycho. And then of course, all the vases starting at two forty pm with the forty keys, plenty of action. Plenty of exciting racing. Come this afternoon. Live on the cool Fabrizi websites on social media and on basis radio. This is cool. Fab racer. Loads of ways to follow the racing this season in live on the racing Facebook page on Twitter and on YouTube. Listen on motorsport dot radio and on racing dot com. Five our T with caffeine from green tea leaves. It's delicious energizing and comes in three amazing flavors was zero sugar and four calories. It fits your life with its compact size import ability. It goes where you go to the campsite, the hiking trail the beach without weighing you down five our T caffeine from green tea, leaps. Release your natural side from the makers of five hour energy. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com. Five our T with caffeine from green tea leaves. It's delicious energizing incomes in three amazing flavors was zero sugar and four calories. It fits your life with its compact size import ability. It goes where you go to the campsite, the hiking trail the beach with outweighing you down five our team caffeine from green tea, leaps. Release your natural side from the makers of five hour energy. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com.
Should President Trump Be Impeached?
"I'm Jeffrey Rosen. President CEO of the National Constitution Center and welcome to weed appeal weekly show of constitutional. You too shall debate. The National Constitution Center is a nonpartisan nonprofit chartered by Congress to increase awareness and understanding of the constitution among the American people. The House of Representatives is now debating articles of impeachment against President Trump on December. Second here at the National Constitution Center we hosted a fascinating to part conversation on the constitutional dimensions of impeachment. The first panel features leading constitutional channel scholars from diverse perspectives including professor. Michael Gerhardt are scholar in residence at the Constitution Center who testified as an impeachment expert before the House Traditional Committee it also features John Malcolm from the Heritage Foundation who's a member of our Madison Ian Constitution for all commission and the next panel features current right and former members of Congress to Republicans and two Democrats including the vice chair of the house. Judiciary Committee Representative Mary. Gay scanlon because impeachment involves a mix of legal and political considerations. It's hard to have a purely constitutional debate about impeachment but I ask the audience During this program to separate their political from their constitutional views in other words not to ask as a partisan matter whether or not they believe leave that president trump should be impeached but whether they thought that the constitution compelled it and how they would vote if they were members of the House of Representatives. I ask you the same question. Endear we the people listeners. Try as hard as you can to listen to this really illuminating discussion with an open. Mind and at the end of the podcast. If you find that you've changed your mind about whether or not president trump should be impeached. Then please email me and let me know Jay. Rosena Constitution Centre her. I hope you learn as much as I did from this illuminating conversation and let the constitutional debate began the Michael. We must start with you. You cannot and will not talk about your testimony on Wednesday but you have been guiding guiding the nation through the impeachment process and we all want to know what broadly to expect on Wednesday in the in the weeks ahead. You've you've written so so much including the attacks on the process so far have been flawed. I'll just begin to ask you. What's the most important thing about impeachment than you think the audience needs to know right now? I it's a great question. I'll give you the answer. It's not it's like nothing else. It's not like a trial it's not like a civil proceedings not criminal proceeding. It's a special unique consitutional process and that gets lost almost every time. Somebody who doesn't know anything about impeachment starts talking because they're going to analyze analogize it to something. They think they know. Oh it's got to be like a civil trial. It's got to be a criminal trial but it's not the whole idea was to make it unique and it's unique in a number of different ways. differs from civil proceedings in that Nobody's going to be liable for damages or joined from doing anything else. The only sanctions available and impeachment at the end of the process are removal in disqualification to say somebody's impeach means. They've been charged with misconduct. But like everything else That said about the house and the Constitution. The house does not have the power to complete any Constitutional Act. Impeachment is a good example. Can start it but it can't finish it. It can impeach somebody but then Senate has to complete it. It's also not like a criminal trial for obvious reasons. A person's life and liberty or not at stake in an impeachment trial again. It's about removal or disqualification Asian and then there are questions about The people who make decisions about impeaching they're different than the people that make decisions in trials. Members of Congress were given given this special authority because the framers wanted to ensure that the decision makers could be accountable in some way for what they did in this particular circumstance from stance politically accountable. So that's part of the checks and balances that's part of the beauty of that system that even though members of Congress can make these critical judgments. It's it's not as if they can just walk away without facing some kind of accountability. They have to make the hard choices here and then they have to be held accountable just as they may be trying to hold somebody accountable in this particular process Also different from other processes their new rules of evidence. You couldn't enforce rules of evidence even if you wanted to but the most important thing to understand about that is framers. Gave this responsibility to people. The frame were more sophisticated in your typical jurors and and therefore they wouldn't need the kinds of protections the rules of evidence would provide the same tragedy burdens of proof mine. Ten tonight was actually hide in plain sight light. And so I'm gonNA pass the ball. Well there's no where to hide from the constitutional light that is being spread from this stage. Contributed to by reminding us that the impeachment process is a mix of legal and political judgments. Very interesting point that not only the president president but also the representatives and senators themselves will be held politically accountable to the voters. Keith Wittington you wrote a very interesting and characteristically interesting subtle. Piece arguing that there's no duty to impeach. It may be advisable or not but that one of the judgements that the house can make in deciding whether or not to impeach is whether it's the most effective remedy against a president they feel is stored in the law or whether other remedies ranging from reelection to legal constraints on the president president might be more advisable. Tell us more about that argument. And whether or not you think under the circumstances that it is or is not advisable peach I think one of the unique features of impeachment mant inquiry both the house level and then eventually with the Senate trial is precisely that you're bringing this before a political body has to make a political decision it partially they're politically accountable Algal. So they're thinking about their voters partially they're also trying to think about the nature of the offenses they're being charged and what the available remedies are to those offenses in power is was included in the constitution impart because there was a perceived need to have a particular political remedy in case things went horribly wrong with somebody who had a lengthy tenure in your office and a great deal of power at their disposal not entrusted in the house to investigate potential charges. Against those kinds of officers where the judges or even presidents of the United States but then also to make an assessment about. How serious are those charges? What's the right remedy to address those charges? Maybe that remedy it means a waiting until the next election the case for president and you can allow the voters to make a determination. It may mean that there are other mechanisms you can use to you. Try to deal with a particular kind of misconduct that's at stake. So maybe there's congressional oversight that can do the job. Maybe you can leverage the president's policy preferences in order to encourage lighthouse to behave better in the future. And the like. But then extreme circumstances maybe the only only remedy available is one of actually trying to remove a sitting officer who simply can't be trusted to continue to exercise that power into the future and clearly par with the House think about now is whether they've reached that point where there's no no other options left including the option of waiting for the election. That the best thing to do now. Bob Is to move forward to bring it to trial for the president's removal can we. You have argued that based on the fact that we know on the open record even before some of the testimony in the past weeks that there was a clear case of abuse of power I think of a bribery and abuse abuse public office and you characterize the essentially there being no no defense. Really do you still feel that way. And what defense do you imagine. And we'll be made this week. Well I I want to thank you for including me. This is really an honor to be here and I saw I congratulate everyone for being part of this discussion. I'm a a big believer in the constitution and constitutional literacy is something that we all should be spreading because in this moment it's not just this president that's at stake here. His personal fate fate the fate of democracy and having accountable government going forward regardless of what happens to him. Thank you so so. I'm not sure I write a lot for a number of publications. I'm not sure why that was but I think the argument that that as a lawyer Royer that I laid out was what is the response on the narrative on the factual narrative. And I know my colleague what will have one. We talked in the green even before here but essentially the facts as they have been out. Even prior to the public impeachment hearings were set set forth in the July twenty fifth memorandum. The president asked a favor of a foreign government to investigate a political rival domestically and then we saw the last week in the last couple of weeks. A beach been witnesses laying out from a professional longstanding expertise point of view these are public servants. Their neighbors and friends. Like you and me. These are not people with any particular agenda other than really upholding the rule of law the constitution in doing. What's right right for the American public? They basically consistently said there was no clear. Basis for withholding the four hundred million dollars of aid. We were all very concerned. This says all was really bad for Ukraine Ukraine. The word Ukraine. Apparently I'm gonNA mccranie and I should know this but my grandmother came from Ukraine but but it apparently certainly means I can't verify apparently means borderland. It means frontier. So it's between situated between the Western democracies in Europe and Russia And the Russians have been we saw with Crimea the invasion of Crimea part of Ukraine by Putin since Nineteen ninety-one. They've been struggling really hard to to become democratic and that's in the interest of the United States to spread democracy across the globe that's been consistently what our position is. What I was saying as far as defenses are number of defenses one is it? It didn't happen that way. And we haven't really heard that we don't have evidence that the president directly asked for said. Listen if you don't give me a announce an investigation into Joe Biden. I will not give you the four hundred million dollars in aid But we did say Rudy Giuliani's in charge of this and I think thank anyone suggesting that Rudy Giuliani's acting with without directives from the president doesn't that doesn't hold any water and so so what we heard from. The in the witnesses was that this was really bad for Ukraine which made it really bad for America and it was really good. Potentially early for for the president politically and good for Vladimir Putin. WHO's been sort of circulating this this myth about Ukrainian interference in the election for for about a year now and we heard tonight politico? Natasha Bertran reported that the Senate Intel Committee the Republicans it's been leaked but basically said there is no their investigation. Starting in two thousand seventeen into Ukrainian into pretty much fell flat so the question is abuse of power comes down to is the president using the power of his office to on behalf of the American populace as a fiduciary we the people itself government that person's not there to do what's best for him and Jiang trench power and there. It is is pretty laid out as that's one viable I think thinks story and it's human nature is the framers new to entrench and ultimately to abuse power. That's just how people are wired as far as defenses very. It's very carefully lowered. We heard procedural defenses. That's for a number of reasons that many of us can talk about. That's not meaningful the under the Constitution the house gets to set at their own rules. And of course the Republican participated in this from from the beginning. And then there's the whistle blower is is really to blame. That defense has fallen short because he or she handed the baton off. It's kind of like calling a hotline and you have information on a crime. Wants you to pass it along. No one cares. What have what you thought you wanted? They WanNa talk to the original witnesses. And then there's a story that you know that the president had a legitimate reason to ask a foreign government to investigate criminally of political opponent rather than start internally with our own spectacular stellar national. Aw Security and criminal justice apparatus and of course. This is of a piece with Muller Report and I just WanNa make one point on the Miller report before I turn runoff turnout over in the book. My book is very user friendly for regular people and he uses common sense being. You know if there's speed camera hiding on a thoroughfare people will slow down once they know the speed cameras there and they'll speed up after that it's human nature. The question is where the checks the speed cameras and the tickets being issued to the office of the presidency regardless of the person because of the memo saying internally cannot indicted the sitting president the dude initial branch the criminal justice system is out for purposes of actually holding a sitting president accountable so my position has generally and the level of impeachment has to be pulled in this moment to retain an accountable government regardless of what happens to this particular man. Thanks for that comprehensive France of the account of the case for and against John. I promise this wasn't. This is not a crossfire debate but I would love to give your account of the best defense of the president. Kim ended with the claim that maybe he had a legitimate reason for asking for the investigation of Ukraine would that mitigate the charge of Corrupt Service of his own private rather than the public interest. And make the best case that sure why I tuned delighted to to be here in if crossfire it is so be it You know let me. I will begin by saying that. The impeachment is an extraordinary event. I mean it's only only only nineteen people and only two presidents in our nation's history have been impeached and one of the things when when when the standards were being discussed for impeachment. In you know right right down the street at the Constitutional Convention George Mason Listen had proposed adding maladministration as one of the impeachment standards. It was it was a provision in many state constitutions or colony constitution at the time and that was specifically rejected. We don't have a parliamentary system. Where if you don't like somebody or you don't like their policies? You can immediately call for a no confidence vote and then throw the rascal out for that. We have elections. So you need to so it. This extraordinary remedy. I would agree. I think with my colleagues at it doesn't have to rise to the level of outright criminality gross abuse of office. It could count as this. Look I I'll try to be as succinct as as possible so I'm not going to to denigrate any of the Komo career officials who operate in the State Department and they may well be right that the Ukrainians have truly turned over over a new leaf with the election of president. Zilenski the president after all the end of the day not only release the three hundred ninety one a a million dollars you went beyond that. He sold them thirty. Nine million dollars in Javelin anti-tank missiles. He received a lot of lobbying normally from those career. People immediately before those funds were released he received a visit from vice president. Pence who had met with presidents Alinsky in Warsaw. He received a bipartisan group of senators. Who came in and said that they had had just met a few days beforehand? Crane was Alinsky. They were very impressed with him. Believe he was sincere in his commitment to fighting corruption that the Congress supported him in the funds were were released so all of these officials may have fought that the president was wrong of for withholding aid in however the president had made it very clear one that he said this in the July. Twenty fifth a call to presidents Alinsky that he believes that we provide too much foreign aid to other countries in the European should step up to the plate and also he had clearly a more jaundiced view than a lot of these career officials about Ukraine's commitment to to fighting corruption including by the way Investigating a Burris MMA and quite possibly in investigating Joe Biden because he was going to be a political rival because he was the vice president in the Obama Administration who dealt with Ukraine at the time and he also had a more jaundiced view about whether the Ukrainians had attempted to interfere with the election. Now he may have some theory that is unsupported perhaps Ukrainians were involved in the DNC. Hack but totally setting that aside it was no secret that there were high ranking Ukrainian officials who were trying to help Hillary Clinton Ukrainian court last ask year found that Ukrainian elected official and the head of the anti-corruption bureau had illegally leaked the so called Black Ledger. So so the payments to Paul Manafort to to the United States for this specific purpose of helping Hillary Clinton and in politico right after the president was elected and before he took the oath of office wrote an article medical say Ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump backfire. Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton so you know the president gets to set foreign policy he had a more jaundiced view of the Ukrainians and he had a good faith basis for doing what it is that he did. Now you may decide. You don't like his policies you don't like could manner. There are many many things that you don't like about him. Fine than vote him out of office in November twenty twenty but impeachment is a bridge too far thank you for that succinct account want of a factual narrative that would old that it was not bribery but a legitimate effort to investigate foreign corruption option. That might have motivated the president all right in this round. You know this is an important audience and this is important events. And I'm just going to ask you Michael if I may take take off all the constraints that we impose on you at the National Constitution Center to be nonpartisan. And if you were if you were a house member you're not you're now you're you're now representative Gerhard and make these speech to your colleagues the fellow members of the Assembly about whether you think on the law this this what. The president is accused of rises to the level of what the framers thought was a treason. Bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors and on the facts whether the cases disproven disproven and therefore whether or not he should be impeached It'll be I'll be very unsuccessful representative because I'm going to try and clarify a couple points ahead of time which exactly so we will not be another question you know that will be helpful to my advocacy. Now I'm not Daniel Webster so We haven't really talked about what's an impeachable offense and it may be helpful to do that and framing what I'm about to say. So of course the language that's really at issue here is what do other CRI- crimes and misdemeanors most people. Don't use those terms in their everyday existence. We do in my house but we're different. Ah My son who plays the violin. Extraordinarily I appreciate it. So that's a that's a low crime and and so But the the question always asked what does that mean and I think the bottom line is if we look at the history and where that language came from it was his language. The framers deliberately took from the British and the British had used those terms in the collins. Obviously were familiar with them to refer to what we're understood. You stood at that time as political crimes is not the kinds of offenses typically for which you could go to jail but these are the kinds of offenses that could be committed by people who have unique nick powers of office so a president can do things nobody else can do. He can therefore Go too far in ways. That only he that would only be limited by the constitution and when that happens. Impeachment is one of the most important if not the single most important remedy. So what what do political crimes mean then they are abuses of power reaches the public trust and oftentimes sometimes phrase. Things are just so plainly wrong or bad that injured the republic that you know it when you see it. That's that's that's condensing a lot of stuff but that's the background so the question just becomes the president trump. What whether or not he's he's? He's exceeded that whether he's violated the constitutional standard has. He abused his power for example as you committed bribery. I think there's a powerful case to be made that he's done both of those things. One reason why you might think of it as an abuse of power is because no other president in American history has ever done this. No other president in American history is ever asked for a personal favor in exchange for doing his job. That's that's what the transcript says. I am not making this up. That is what it says. And by the way that was not a one off there was a systematic the effort to bring that out come about and it included the removal of meritorious officer. By the way one of the examples of the constitutional convention was the President Removes Meritorious Officers and so if we could find language all over the convention that fits this to a T.. I would say but in terms of this particular kind of misconduct. I think we're at him. Almost wrapped up is is very analogous in my view to it to pick up on the traffic analogy. It's always helpful. I got two boys a drive. I'm thinking about that all the time. And so if I don't have to see the person that's just been charged with driving seventy five miles an hour and a school zone to know. That person broke the law. I don't have to see it. It's obviously not even close. That's what this is. This is not even close to use another analogy. This is if the person robbing robbing a bank was caught right before they walked out with the money. The reason why the money gets released is because that same day that morning the president found was notified defied the whistleblower complaint. That's when he decided to release the money so when we look at the context I would argue. It's impossible to infer good faith just the opposite. It's easy I think to infer bad faith and there's a bad act. Here was exactly the things you need for. Impeachable offense Keith. I think it's I think it's the same question to you. And all of your colleagues for this last round before the re the real representatives come on stage but you know in the course of answering you can argued as you are moved to do about whether or not it meets the standard for impeachment and then whether Prudential Considerations Might Council against impeaching and so forth. What would you say to the assembly? Yeah so I think one of the questions that the house is going to have to contemplate not the sentence going to have to contemplate questions. How distinguish What president trump has done from this possibility? Policy disagreements or Maladministration Tomorrow George Mason's language from the constitutional convention. We don't want to use the impeachment empower as a tool by which partisan congress's can beat up presidents for things just because the congress things they should have done things differently they should pursue different policy. You should have used different person now and the like all presence all congresses are going to have those kinds of disagreements and the constitutional standard of high crimes and misdemeanors smears wasn't designed to capture that moreover the high bar in the Senate as to what it takes to convict the president or any other official for high crimes and misdemeanors is is quite high and so ultimately even have to get some level of bipartisanship in order to actually convict and remove somebody for misbehavior and simply focusing on policy. Disagreements disagreements isn't going to get you there you need to be able to demonstrate. There's actually abuse of office that looks different. And simply what policy differences. It would look like one of the complications I think with President Trump from this perspective is he so unconventional and how he conducts his office. Generally he doesn't have a lot of experience in the office. He doesn't bring people to him who have experience in these roles and as a consequence he does all kinds of things in a very unconventional way. Everything's rounding the Ukraine Episode is also also very unconventional and so one question on the table is not only does. President trump have a different view about how to think about the Ukrainian situation and members of Congress might or members the State Department or even members of loan. Now Security Council might as well but what should we infer from the way in which he was conducting that policy which we infer about his motives and one natural inference is going to be To conclude that president trump is in fact motivated by Bad motives these not pursuing the national interests. He's pursuing his own a personal interest and we can see that through the relatively strange behavior about how he's conducted this Alsi but you might think some of that's just a function of the fact the administration dysfunctional and inexperienced about how they engage things and so one thing. I think the house is going to have to try to establish Is that what we are looking at should be counted as abuse. It shouldn't simply be count as policy differences and the president can't be excused simply because he's behaving and inexperienced -perience unconventional ways instead. What we're seeing is a pattern that's better explained as something that suggest a motive and a desire to abuse power rather rather than something that simply reflects? He doesn't know how to do this in a more competent way. Kim As you make your closing arguments for this part of the segment. I'm interested in your thoughts on key talent. How would you persuade your colleagues that this does meet the standard of a corrupt motive rather than the more charitable interpretation? That John's suggested which is possibly legitimate foreign policy motive. And do you. What would you include in your remarks? thoughts about what the consequences of failed impeachment might be in if the Senate rejects the charges widely expected to do. And why you think it's still important to carry forward. Despite the fact that this would be the third failed presidential impeachment in history. Yes so so on the question of intent and I mentioned the mullahs report. And that was kind of it. Just sort of fizzled in part because because there were in a new world when it comes to the media which I participated in obviously I worked in the Whitewater investigation for Ken Starr and back. Then then there were major news. Networks that had a consistent narrative the facts came through their standards of journalism television and print media so the public got a single set of facts. And then it's what do you do about the facts now. We have facts and we have lies and alternative narrative. Some of which are being imprinted led by Vladimir Putin. It's important to keep in mind. This human being who is president with respect to the mall report. It was clear that he willingly only his campaign willingly accepted interference in the two thousand twenty or twenty sixteen election. He told George Stephanopoulos for ABC. He'd happily accept interference in the election. It's illegal onto the campaign finance laws to do that so the notion that somehow that was not part all of a sudden of this exchange just doesn't doesn't pass the logic test in my I mind and at the end of the day voting if people say get cynical about voting but if voting didn't matter then there wouldn't be all this effort to interfere. Voting voting voting is the heart and soul of democracy. I mean it's a real privilege that we have that in this country and other parts of the world it does not exist and I think most Americans I don't really feel that in their bone. How important and serious? This infraction was which was not the case in the last two impeachments with respect to Bill Clinton and Nixon. We didn't half foreign interference in the election. The thing is I persuading people to give a couple thoughts. One is this notion of. You've all had jobs and there's a job description if someone doesn't show up if someone's stealing from the from the cash register and that's not you don't hold that person accountable for that. Eventually the restaurant will fail. The shop will will close and we have to think about this. Not as this man as the office of the presidency enlarging the belt and suspenders of the office so that that instead of three coequal branches we have one mega branch and kind of a junior branch baby branch that would be the congress. That's why I think that even if it's not as successful impeachment having the Congress stand up for its prerogatives as a CO equal branch. That's required on behalf of the people to conduct. Oversight is as has important as the ultimate outcome here. The other thing is with respect to intent. I can have a hard time getting around the consistent information that this was really you dangerous for national security and you know I agree that the president has wide discretion in that field but not unlimited discretion. Otherwise there wouldn't be impeachment clauses political. Oh and the other thing that came through is the sort of just a rejection of expertise. The dismantling of the administrative state and and people that spend their careers you know devoted to this level of expertise. All of that went by the wayside. Think about it again as a job description. Who Do you want in that office? The people that are going to actually do it's best for the entity of the America or just do what he or she feels like is best for them or whatever other reason that's the basis for pizza and the last piece has to do again. With the separation of powers this withholding funds was another place. Where trump of went around the appropriations? 'cause one way that Congress keeps control of the presidency is through the purse. The power of the purse money was appropriated months before almost a year before it was authorized. That may hey. The Ukrainians have gone through the bells and whistles. The corruption question had been answered and the president did not follow the law in in withholding holding the eight alternately. He did he turn it over but the steps that were supposed to be filed in the job were not and we saw this also with the declaration of a national emergency one one last point just metaphor is I also have two kids that drive so I'm going to switch metaphors driving. Go to sharp pens which we've heard a lot from this president of and if you think about rules kids jumping on the couch and it's against the dumping on the couch rule against jumping on the couch. If you if your parents out there grandparents parents are people have siblings. If you do not enforce the rule a single time that kid knows you can jump on the couch right then. You're fighting with that kid every single time because you get one chance to blow it. And if we don't enforce parts of the Constitution we can get Outta sharpies and cross them out. And so if you're if people are okay with that and with your worst case scenario president winning the next election of the next election enhancing the power minimizing the checks. Then okay then maybe we can tolerate this moment but but my children can't vote in this process. My children don't have a voice and I'm really committed to maintaining the structure in the office of an accountable government. That's that's by. That's my deepest concern right now on the last word is to you and in your more powerful. Sa Impeaching Donald Trump a gaming political high stakes poker you quoted. I'm so glad you did. A federal is sixty five. Hamilton's definitive live statement on impeachment. And I'll read it and a Hamilton said that impeachment should be reserved for those offenses which proceed from from the misconduct of public men or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public. Trust there of a nature which may be with peculiar propriety Deby denominated political as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. I asked you already to make the defense on the facts. What is the defense on the law? And what would you tell our friends about why you believe that the offenses that president trump is accused of committing are not political. In that sense. They are not injuries done immediately to this little tough to do that without talking somewhat about the facts because a lot of factual representations were just made by both Michael Michael and Cam. Percival chemist twice referred to the Mullahs report volume one of the Mullahs report. Makes it quite clear that he came to the conclusion that there was no collusion between the Russian government and anybody connected with the trump campaign. That's what's his conclusions. You can look at volume one yourself if you want to. The other thing is. The president. Didn't didn't violate the impoundment activated. The fiscal year had ended maybe he would have but he did not violate the law of by delaying aid to the Ukrainians cranes. And there's a long history of president a withholding aid and using it as a leverage point Barack Obama withheld for a period rid of time hundreds of millions of dollars to the Egyptians until they cooperated more with our counterterrorism efforts. He did the same thing. With African countries that did not adopt two more pro gay rights policies. And you like and if you want to look at the quintessential example of somebody threatening to withhold aid and interfering directly in the inner workings teams of another country you need no look no further than Joe Biden. Who told Petra Porsche? ANCO that he was going to withhold a billion dollars in previously approved military aide unless and until they fired their prosecutor general who is the equivalent of their attorney general of the United States with respect to a asking other countries to cooperate in investigations. Barack Obama did precisely that when he initiated what ultimately became the Muller probe by requesting assistance from other countries and in fact in May of two thousand eighteen three Democratic senators Menendez Menendez Lahey and Durban Bourbon a wrote to the prosecutor general in Ukraine. And said we may withhold funds immune the future unless you continue cooperating with the Muller probe and the last thing I would add i. I don't know Marie Ivanovich. Ukrainian prosecutor former Ukrainian ambassador our ambassador to Ukraine. She may be the greatest person in the world. He may be genuine Patriot create but there were allegations and she even sort of said that she had made some statements to the Prosecutor General in Ukraine that she suggested that they not pursue certain investigations he has said further said she gave me A. Do not prosecute list and you also need look no further than the transcript of that July twenty fifth call which presidents. There's an insulin ski said I am glad you got rid of him Basseterre Ivanovich. She clearly supported my opponent. Petra Shaneco she would not have been able to work with me so there were lots of facts running around that could give president pause and would explain why he did what he did for eliminating are understood no well according to the First Amendment but I know that all of you more enthusiastically will want to applaud our scholars for illuminating the facts and law of the the constitution and the peach and now it is my great pleasure to welcome current and former members of the House of Representatives. Our Congressmen search to see you congressman. Evans it was your wonderful idea to convene this group. You thought it was important to do it at the Constitution Center. Why did you they ask us to convene this group? And what do you hope that our guests and friends will learn about the impeachment process tonight. Well quickly learn how much people don't know and understand about the constitution and thought about the a four hundred thirty five congressional missile district. What better place could this have Raytheon? Only one constitution senator. And the fact that demanded Wisconsin's you always say that in Washington Tin Things started here as a constant reminder that says people also happen to sit on the the commission for the two hundred on the fiftieth anniversary of the Constitution. So always been trying to figure out how to get people engage and I figured what place with two things happened one seeing you one time use on television having a discussion about the constitution. What better place and then also Charleena? China Jolly did from within the State House together and we just did a workshop on civility. Great Thing Shelly's workshop together on Civility Loyd which I'm one of those ones I'm when people ask you kind of Democrat. Am I tell them. I'm from the governing wing Though that right there so charlie and I have a really extensive relationship so I think it was that combination growth and I mean this turned out to be a success. I think this one that I'm I'm so glad you can be nice. Thank you so much congressman you In addition to this grade buddy team you have with congressman in Evans talking about civility wrote a very powerful piece On CNN called fellow Republicans. Please take the impeachment inquiry seriously seriously us talked about facts that you think merited warrant opening the impeachment inquiry. You said there are problems with the process. The House Democrats have employed Loyd but you concluded to my Republican congressional colleagues and friends with whom I served until last year. President trump takes your loyalty for granted and mocks your support. It's time to reclaim your institutional bogs protect your legacy and do what is best for our country. Tell us more about. That was the published pretty recently on October twenty eighth you've now heard the beginning of the testimony what would you say to your fellow. Republicans today take this seriously seriously. Don't simply argue process while processes important and you can find a lot of flaws in this process the end of the day. My sense is most people really. Don't care about the process. They don't they look at the substance and they want to judge based on that but one thing I've noticed impeachment and having been a former chair of the house ethics committee and Hi did not volunteer for that assignment being head of internal affairs and the Police Department but basically you're dealing with standards of conduct and that's essentially what you're dealing with with impeachment at least three out of four cases Nixon Clinton and they'll trump andrew. Johnson was different. That was a policy differences four but standards of conduct conduct. And I think that at some point as an institution you have to deal with it. You can't simply ignore these issues so that would be my my message. TRY TO You know try to review the facts and the evidence as they are and then make a decision I get it. This is not a court of law. This is a very political process and and people will make their decisions in many cases based on the politics. We'll try to make it based on the backs and the evidence but the end today I say take it seriously you know. I wrote that at the time when you know people people were storming the skiff which I thought was juvenile. You know they. They stormed the skiff during the hearings before there was a vote on the inquiry and there are other little stunts like that that I thought were really not very helpful and kind of made I think diminish the process which is a constitutional process an imperfect one but a constitutional national. So bottom line. Is You know. Take it seriously and try to make the judgment based on the facts and edits. Thank you for that Awful Council congresswoman scanlon. You're on the Judiciary Committee. I understand so you will be at the center of the opening of the public portion of the process on Wednesday you also had supported reported articles of impeachment even before the Ukraine Scandal broke his. I understand Tell us as a member why you thought it was important to impeach the the president then in light of the report and as a member of the committee what you'll be looking for and what we can expect so what I had had supported was starting an impeachment investigation. I thought that the mother report warranted that that it raised enough questions that we needed to get to that in that in fact is what to do Sherry. Very Committee did started the investigation. Although we've been stonewalled to an unprecedented extent by the president refusing to turn over documentation or allow allow witnesses to come in so that was sort of where we were before. the Ukraine scandal broke and a number of other people came on board with thinking that it at least warranted investigation if not articles of impeachment But but like Congressman Evans. I have found that being out in the district That people had a lot of questions ranging from you know people are talking about you have to have a vote. Are these things really happening in secret. How come you can't enforce subpoenas? There were so many questions so so Last month we held a couple town halls in my district bringing in folks from U. Penn Law to talk about what is impeachment not for or against but just what is it. What's the process? Wise it in the constitution. So that's very much what I've been looking for and particularly resonated with the idea that the framers was put impeachment in the Constitution and believe that Congress would be jealous of its powers and would want to do the Institutional Channel Rape thing which I think Congressman Dent was referring to making sure that we ended up with this three branches of government that could check and balance each other rather than having one one branch. Just give it away. I have to ask because you're on. The committee will the testimony that you hear influence. The way articles are drafted. If they are drafted. Why I know we have some very area People coming in to testify so I'm sure that there will be some impact wonderful. Well not necessarily wonderful for depending on your perspective but it's it's wonderful that you summoned such scholars and I know that they'll be enlightening. Everyone Congressman I'd rather than you do not want to take a position one way or the other about Impeachment although you can if you like but you served with great distinction for a for Jew terms you've heard the debate tonight from the scholars and from your colleagues ask. An open ended question. What do you want to say about? The impeachment process stands now and I guess how would you approach it. If you're in Congress so I think with where this started since The president trump released the phone. Call transcript to where we are now. I've not seen much in the way of movement either from Democrats away from thinking. That impeachment is the appropriate way to deal with any Misuse or abuse or errant behavior. Nor have I seen seen Republicans move away from saying it was anything less than perfect phone call. I think Charlie Hunt His when Charlie retired retired. He said something. Funny that sticks with today he said you know the the fun and dysfunction has been removed from serving and and ah you know the thing I I think congresswoman Scanlan said something very appropriate in terms of the institution of Congress should should jealously guard what the role and function of Congress is as it was delineated in our constitution and the erosion of constant of Congressional Authority vis-a-vis. The executive branch has been one. That's taken place over seventy five years if not more but when you serve in Congress to sit there knowing what your role is supposed to supposed to be mindful that you're not actually exercising. Those perogatives is something. That's deeply frustrating. Moving forward. Since it was an open ended question. I my big concern. Is that no matter. No matter what happens happens right I I. My sense is that the house probably brings up articles probably votes on them. Although I still tend to think that there are a number the house Democrats that do not want to take this vote because it will hurt them in their districts but let's just assume how stems vote the way vote articles of impeachment. It goes to the Senate the Senate's not GonNa vote to impeach the president absent. Something extraordinary coming out between now and when they have the vote looking at this two years from now for years from now ten ten years from now when President of another party is in there were even the same party and something less than the type of bribery. We're talking about which isn't here. You take this money and I'll give you this but sort of if you do this then I can. I can help you with the favor. Sort of this muddled way that even the president talks right and and there's a difference between what you think. Obviously the president meant by what he said versus what you can prove and I just worry long term weather we've normalized allies. The extraordinary remedy of impeachment long-term. That's nothing that says nothing. That is not a judgment call on either of the sitting members of Congress here who I I think are doing their utmost in terms of diligence and honesty in doing what they feel is right long-term. Institutionally I wonder where we're going to be ten years from now as as a congress the next time something remotely close to this happens. Thank you very much for that. The congressman the congressman raises two. Really important points one is that impeachments have become so partisan that we're not going to see much cross partisan support. He says that that might hurt. Even some DEM's especially in swing districts and he worries that that could make the other party more likely to use impeachments in the future in that normalization could lead to more failed impeachments and more partisanship chip. You've been a strong supporter of impeachment under these facts. What's your response to his points? And what would you say to two members. Feel the same I didn't. I didn't go to Washington to impeach was not you know I was elected in November a special election of twenty sixteenths. I've been there three years. That was not not my first course of action. I would argue. I was driven to that course of action because of certain behavior. I don't disagree with Brian. Brian that Polit that the process has eroded for lotteries. There's no question and also participated dissipated in impeachment at a state level to all you may remember the Supreme Court justice. Yes that we did it in Harrisburg. So I'm I'm aware with it. You don't believe that is something you take lightly so let me be very clear. I don't believe you take it lightly but I do believe so. The most proudest title is not congressman. Citizen that is the most prowse title. You have open enrollment Oma coming up and that means you have the ability to operate and I think there should be a serious discussion about this so Jeffrey. That's why what better place to have. That didn't have the sears discussion. Because something is not right you can look at the Mullahs report. Jim Komi Komi. You could just go down laundry lists and you could debate about if that is peach. Impeachable and removal movable. But we in the house can't do that anyway. There's a Senate. They have to take picture. So when you're there Jeffrey in my view you look you evaluate you. Look at the information that's provided to you in and you take the course of action because you know Ben Franklin made the statement is a monarchy or a republic. And what I understand this is. I've been around around. Liuhua was in the same position. Ben Franklin had I used to have just on three hundred years different dream Ben. Franklin and infrequent was chairman of the ways and means at the Pennsylvania. I was chairman of the Appropriations Committee. I was born in the hospital. That ben Franklin unfound so no a little bit about that so I don't take it lightly so I don't disagree with what Ryan is saying but accountability Ability Accountability Santi tell take lightly Democrat or Republican. And that's a strong feel about in this particular situation. That's what I hear in the Third Congressional district on. Those is the Bluest of the blue districts but then people got a right to so I mean here Ryan saying that but I just say that this is one time I think the particular cases. Thank you so much for that. Thank you really for reminding all of us of the purpose of this convenient friends fellow citizens the congressman said. You have the most important job and what we're GONNA do at the end of this forum. Obviously I should've thought at the beginning you're going to vote and you're gonNa vote about whether or not you think based on the facts and the law that you've heard heard that you think that the president should be impeached. But I want you to think about listening to the rest of the discussion with a very open mind because I'm also going to ask you. Who changed his or in her mind based on the facts or the constitutional law that you heard in the course of this discussion so open yourself up to the possibility of reaching a conclusion which differs from your her from your political or partisan views so with that in mind lets us the rest of our time to again appeal to our fellow citizens? So so congressman you said your fellow fellow. Republicans should take the process seriously. You now know a lot of facts. We know what the standards for impeachment are. If you're comfortable doing so so why don't you tell our fellow citizens whether or not you think I'm the facts in the long. The president should be impeached. I think the I do think that the facts in evidence as I understand them do reis level impeachment. I'd look this perspective. At a member of the House of Representatives senators used his or her office to solicit a foreign leader to investigate it political opponents. I serve on the Appropriations Committee and and by the away. If you don't do that you know that that aid that we send you I'll put a legislative hold on it and it were publicly revealed. I suspected Department of Justice. Just be crawling up that members backside right now but and by the same token also said I saw the same thing with the Clinton impeachment and having been a again chairman the Ethics Committee Committee. I was involved with resignations and members. I know how that goes but I always said you know from. Every male member of Congress had done in his office with a female intern with Bill Clinton in did and it Republican discovered that member of Congress. He'd be out of office by the end of the day guarantee you and I believe me. I've seen these types of things in enforced. I so bottom line is based on this evidence you cannot use your office a quid pro quo but forget about the quid pro quo for one second. Just the act of asking foreign leader to interfere in the campaign by itself is a very serious issue that by itself. Now when when you say and if you don't do that then I'm going to hold up. Four hundred million four million dollars in military assistance. Well now you've got a bigger problem so based on that. I think it's a it's a a quite serious. And based on the witness testimony I've seen so far from businessmen and hill and Taylor. They all seem to be corroborating. What each other I've said so I think it's a pretty powerful argument? It's pretty hard to argue against it now. That said I'm not. I'm not always sure the Democrats should pull the trigger here. Do they really want to have a partisan impeachment. Yeah I mean that's that might not be something they want to do at the end of the day but I think this just based on the facts and the evidence you do that but if you're a Republican member you're in a Ruby Red district in northern Alabama you know eighty percent of your constituents your car. Don't you dare impeach the president no matter what the evidence says what do you do. It's a political decision. Split decision is going to not going to happen. powerful reminder that you reach reach a decision based on the facts and the law but then as representative. You have to make the political decision because it's a mix of politics and the constitution congresswoman. Same to you. You're you're making your appeal to our fellow citizens but as a member of the district committee you will be perhaps helping to draft articles of impeachment so in the course of your your or your address maybe tell us how how you would You know what the charges would be. We've heard charges of solicitation simply asking for foreign aid. We've heard a charge of bribery itself offering something of value to Ukraine in exchange for something of value namely only the investigation there have been charges of obstruction by refusing to cooperate with Congress. What articles do you imagine most persuasive? and which ones would you support support. I think that is one of the questions here. I mean we have an embarrassment of riches from which to select and that is part of the problem you know I I agree with Professor Malcolm that you know. We have elections for one purpose but then we also have impeachment for another purpose and so I may not agree with with for example the president's morals or his policy choices but those are things that would be dealt with through the electoral system but the concern in the impeachment process. This is are we seeing behavior that is eroding our government we heard about eroding the power of the executive but on judiciary. I've had a front row seat seat to the erosion of the powers of Congress. Not just the ways that Congress may have let its power slip away through war powers resolutions and that kind of thing but through an and as I said before an absolutely unprecedented attempt by an executive not to release any information any documents any witnesses using this theory of absolute immunity which is something that the courts have now rejected. Every time it's been brought up. It was rejected again last week. So we're not talking about executive privilege. We're just talking about someone saying no one who works in this White House can come forward and talk about anything that happens in the White House now that the courts sports completely rejected again. This past week saying no. That's that's a monarchy that say you cannot question situation and that's not what we're talking about so I am very struck by the fact that we have been unable to get to the bottom of multiple scandals because the White House has completely denied access to to information and not because of national security not because of executive privilege because why and it is that total obstruction that that I think is really troubling. So that's part of it. But going to the Ukraine example it does start to appear to become part of a pattern of behavior where the president seeks foreign interference in an election. Whether it's do me a favor though or Russia are you listening or I love wikileaks. I mean aw seeking interference in an election. So there's national national security issues. There's election integrity issues. Then when an investigation starts there's there's a cover up or there's a withholding of evidence so we saw that with Muller report we saw that with the Ukraine. And what else that's happened with. We don't know yet. Because a regular oversight functions since have been have been stemming think Dwight said he didn't go to didn't go to Congress to impeach. I don't think anyone in their right mind goes to Congress to impeach I did run for office in in twenty eighteen because I thought there had to be a check and balance and ordinarily when there's an election midterms and and there's a shift gift in power that acts as a check and balance but This president memory seems to be stuck in two thousand sixteen says elections matter. He forgets that twenty. Eighteen matters too to but that's where again this obstruction of the normal oversight functions of Congress showed that there's kind of a fundamental breakdown in our system right now thank you for that had co congresswoman congresswoman scanlon points to frustration with sort of arguments in the alternative on the one hand. The claim is and most degree. The president can't be indicted in office. Then the president's lawyers invoked the inability to indict the president targeted he can't be investigated created by Congress. And then there's the further argument that impeachment is not legitimate remedy so Jr.. She says that leaves the president. Countable maybe a response to that but more broadly you we have a group of open minded citizens who have heard some arguments for and against both the facts and the law and also the politics of it. So what would you say sure to Tho two points just for context for me before I go down this dangerous during I. I just saw Paul yesterday. Like fifty percent just so everybody's aware of this fifty percent of Republican voters right now. Think that president trump is a greater president Abraham Lincoln. So I'm not in that fifty percent and I thought this two summers ago when he stood next Vladimir Putin and spoke about how he believed Putin rather than his his own intelligence agencies on Russia interference to me was one of the most was one of the worst experiences have had as a member of Congress. That's context I think as it relates to any member of Congress in their frustration with an administration and And the role and oversight you're going to have an administration that only cooperates with you when they feel cooperating with you and I take the congressman Congresswoman's ends point a little bit deeper than that though because this administration literally will throw their middle finger up at any attempt. I want to get anything. And frankly I think they view that as a to their political benefit because of just the chemical reaction action that the base gets every time the president fights back and pushes back against the opposing party. Where were what I struggle with right now if if if I were a member of Congress the gray areas right here where you can leap to the conclusion and say yes? He S for or favor. He has to investigate Biden. Republicans are going to say yes but he was looking back to two thousand sixteen. Were Oh well it was just a favor. There's always defenses and I look at what the House Republican response was. They just put out. I saw a summary of it where I think the rubber hits the road for a Republican Republican member. That's looking at this. Not Worrying about. They're not worrying about what they're base says not worrying about whether they're going to get reelected just kind of if they were still dylan law school right like looking at this and right having to write an exam paper as I would I would struggle with the fact that certain members of the administration art stonewalling. Right there legitimately stonewalling and there's likely to be an article of impeachment that says you are not allowed to be doing what you're doing and so therefore that's an article of impeachment. I struggle with the fact that those are the member. Those are the individuals that can either connect dots or refute or rebut. What is likely to be what the articles of impeachment are Dr and we know what the defenses are from the administration and from members of Congress in the Republican side of the aisle and given just the gravity of what what impeachment means with an election nine months from now and by the way? I wonder who is really thought about whether impeaching the president would help him or hurt him politically politically. I tend to think it may actually help him. So for those who don't WanNa see a second trump administration that would be a political consideration about but I I would really liked to see exhausted. An attempt to get those stonewalling administration officials to either testify or to face the consequences of not testifying. Because they're the ones that tie the bow around a serious infraction Moore four or refuse to testify and have to deal with what those consequences would be. That's my humble opinion. Thank thank you for it. Well we have one more round and a very important vote at the end of these statements zone. Impeach just know we will thank you and we will find out when our fellow citizens have decided so congressman. I think it's I think it's time for a very. Are you serious. Closing argument considered a dress rehearsal. For what you might make on the floor of the House but but tell our tell your fellow citizens because as you said. They're the most important people we'll hear about Y. You think the president should be impeached. I I mean no one. None of us up here or ping wants to six hundred is above it. All no one has been to many examples shown over and over again. Am when that you know is it rig system is something where you are connected wired in you know you you can look the other way. This is a part of the process. I didn't create. I think this little documen. I'm in my pocket right here in the race in here right to it's in here I didn't create is one of the tools you may not agree with the tool that you have but it's one of the tools I have a duty obligation. I take enough. That's what I'd do I'd take enough if you don't like this action that I take April the twenty eighth you'll have a shot able to twenty is open enrollment so if you think I have made the wrong decision then come able to twentieth appointive. You'll fire me because that's the way it works. Four hundred thirty five dollars of reelection. So I'm saying to you that it is not easy. This is not an easy decision and I hear over and over again about the uncertainty certainty in people's minds about their future but the kids future. I hear that regularly about what are we going to do. That's what they say. is not like I can make a citizen arrests right. I can't make citizen arrests so this this is the process like it. Whatever you can change it and not eager to change it? You can hold all does accountable. And changing so for the circumstances that are provided to me and say. I don't think there's any other choice person. That's me I've heard the debate from a lot of people. I don't think there's any other choice. GotTa Take Does Action Congressman Closing Statement. Yeah just one thing on impeachment you you know. I was elected in two thousand and four to the US House and it wasn't long after. I believe it was Dennis. Kucinich would come down to the House floor regularly with articles of impeachment for George George Bush over over policy disagreements which you know I thought it was totally ridiculous at the time Obama gets elected and I think there was a republican or to have come down Obama some policy difference and then of course there was the impeachment of the IRS. Commissioner John Koskinen which all you forgotten by now when the they wanted they wanted to hang lois lerner but she was already out of government so why not get this guy who had nothing to do with the underlying fans but they wanted to hang somebody and knows knows the wrong guy and I remember having to go to the whips and they asked me to go find forty votes to kill it and I said I'll I'll do it but you're going to help you know I mean seriously I mean this is ridiculous but we saw impeachment at times I think has been trivialized now. We have a situation that is really serious. And and I think that now that we've got the weight of the evidence and with the fact that this is so much different by the way Bill Clinton and Richard Richard Nixon because we were talking about farmers using official office in a way that you know I just I just haven't seen from President it certainly in my lifetime so I again I keep coming back to that standard. What what is the standard again? This running other elected official. You know if you know if you know. Mayor of the city of Allentown. where I live foreign there should say is sitting in jail for fifteen years for basically trading campaign contributions nations for contracts thing political benefit and And in exchange for that you know he worried contracts that it was the wish convicted of among other things. Forty seven counts. I lost track but the long story short. This is this is not the same thing is is not as direct. But it's still rises to this level that I think they just they just cannot ignore now. Having said that I agree with what Ryan Ryan said. This is such a political process. And you know. He's he will likely be impeached by the House. And the Senate will likely Not Convict I suspect act and And I just WANNA say one thing in the politics of this I think it cuts both ways. I certainly think are members of the house Tickly House Democrats Democrats in these swing districts that have some political risk if they vote for impeachment Particularly those from Oklahoma and South Carolina and Utah and a few other places by the same token I would say that the swing state Senate Republicans were up for election. This year are really at risk. You know from Maine to Colorado to Arizona to North Carolina Iowa. You're great risk and probably more for them frankly than than the house members. So we're we know we're paid. I'm paid to comment. You guys can't be paid to comment on what they pay me to do. I do it for free. It's great story so but I lost my train of thought but as a matter. It doesn't doesn't really matter so at the end of the day you know. We'll see where this goes. But there's political risk everywhere repaid comment but none of us really know how this will play politically. We think we do. But we don't now I think we're in an kind of an uncharted water. Right now We kind of got a sense. Howard played in the seventy four with Nixon resignation? Play with Bill Clinton. I think we just. We're really not sure you know who's really going to. WHO's going to benefit or or or we're going to be harmed politically? So just keep that and my final comment is wanted to say my cousin. Kevin Lynch's you're someplace. He works at the Constitution Center. I saw Merlene Kevin. I had to get that off my chest when they try acknowledged your you hear young man And and so bottom line is i. I don't I don't envy these house members right now I would hate. He's sitting there In judgment because it is A. It's a very hard thing to do. In the final thing on on process I used to have to authorize the issuance subpoenas when I was chair of the Ethics Committee thirty. I'll tell you what if anybody ever thought that they were going to ignore the subpoena. I mean that was just a human rights violation as far as I was concerned. I mean we were GONNA enforce subpoena. We basically told their lawyers. They don't comply guess what we're going to hold them in contempt. And they're going to get their names dragged through the mud. We're going to vote. You know what we never had. Anybody did not comply with a subpoena ever. Now we ended up negotiating with people would say to them their lawyers. You know we want you to testify. You know when the if if you don't testify rent subpoenas so let's negotiate something and we usually ended up negotiating the only person we did. have some people defy subpoena. They were foreigners so we couldn't bring them in from Azerbaijan Turkey. We couldn't drag them in so didn't have already so again. This kind of going off here but bottom line is I just don't like where the country is right. Now we're in a really rough spot and say Ryan you mentioned about that. Poll Abraham Lincoln versus Donald Trump. He's appeased he's I think. We're probably Abraham Lincoln Abraham. Lincoln never told me I was going to destroy the Republican Party but Donald Trump did so and so often Abraham Lincoln. Okay so that I'll stop right now. Thank you thank you for for all of that. They including the shadow. Kevin Lynch are great colleague who is a scholar and aspiring scholar. Who's going to be writing a biography of James the oldest the man who denounced the writs of assistance and sparked the American revolution? Very much in the spirit of this evening's great discussion congresswoman. Were your closing arguments to the assembled. Assemble the citizens. Some of them are undecided. So as you dress them about why you believe the president should be impeached. Make arguments both about the facts and the law and around about the politics and how they should balance that in favor of vote for Roy. Do Think we've had a couple of comments about the politics of it all saying that. It should be bipartisan. It would be bipartisan. Except just a mosh got thrown out of the Republican Party and our lovely former members here no longer in the house to help make that decision so there is some kind of political realignment going on here with both major parties with generations etc.. So I think that's adding to a lot of the chaos that we're seeing but just in terms of how I've been approaching this whole situation. I mean this is not my first time at the Constitution Center. I've been coming here regularly since two thousand thousand six because I've been involved with constitution high school up the street part of its advisory board. It's the one civics themed high school in the State. I'm in from. At any rate it has a curriculum that is based on public service and civics I also played a similar role with my children's Children's schools. So the idea that rule of law matters our constitution matters that this is how governance happens. I mean that's very close to my heart. That's what what I have done with my free time for decades so To be in a position where we're talking about. Is this a moment. Where are we have to impeach because there's obstruction because there's interference with elections? It really hits very close to home and what I kind of think about got a lot. When I came to the decision that I had to say I I was in favor of an impeachment inquiry? It was when the weekend I read the Muller report and I read the Mullahs report and started talking to other members of Congress and it was like this moment that was far beyond Hamilton. Because I don't rap but I suddenly felt very close. Very close is to the people who wrote the constitution. And maybe because Dwight said it happened right over here and it's so much a part of the fabric of this city but to be in a situation where suddenly you are the reading this conduct and then going back and reading federalist papers and you're reading the constitutional debates about why. The framers put impeachment Richmond. They didn't have to have impeachment. There was debate about it. The delegate from Pennsylvania said no no we don't want until he was convinced that it was necessary and what kinds of things were impeachable and then to see. Well we are at that moment and to be having those conversations with with my colleagues suddenly the framers are not you know these. These metallic people over across across the hall perhaps but they're actually living in breathing bakers and farmers and brewers and everything else that they did and you feel a real kinship kinship with trying to wrestle with the decisions that they had to make you know based upon the evidence that's been suggested with respect to muller but which we have not been able to confirm because of obstruction and then the evidence that's come out from multiple sources coming in from around the world without the opportunity to collate their testimony or or whatever I think there's there's certainly a good case to be made that this is a point where we have to break the glass and try that remedy way too. That's where I'm at. Thank you very much for that. And thank you for your service to Constitution. High School into Civics Education Congressman. Last word to you were about to have our vote. Sure I'll tell tell tell our fellow citizens how you think they should Make her decision I I think everyone one probably nothing I say well I. I'll make a few quick comments. This time in our history will pass you know a year two three four years. Hopefully we'll all be very happy and healthy as our families. That's what I struggle most with. Is that some portion percentage of democratic voters for for a long time now have wanted to impeach the president and if and when the Senate does not vote to impeach. They're going to feel that the president got away with something something and some percentage of Republican voters right now twenty five thirty five for whatever it is when the house. Democrats vote to impeach the President and the Senate doesn't vote to impeach are going to feel that the Democrats tried tried to S- to undo an election. Now you may not agree you may not fall on either one of those camps. A lot of people here may not right because there's a portion of the country that it doesn't fall on either of those camps but two three four eight years from now those people who always wanted to impeach and those people who feel that then he got away with something and those folks on the right who feel that they were trying to unwind an election. I worry that all those folks are still gonNa feel exactly how they feel right now and what that is ultimately does to the fabric of our representative government is just create more cynicism genesis more distrust more US versus them because we are very torn right now as a country. Three more than I've ever seen people I served in local Office County Office Federal Office and I understand what you get to the federal level. They say more mean stuff about you but the stuff if I had to deal with once trump got elected was so much different than before he got elected. And and I just worry about Our Republic and where we're heading and the sort of folks that we're going to be elected to office which is no way a reflection of anyone on the stage but but but if you think about it the values that a lot of voters right now are using to vote have nothing to do with like taxes regulations healthcare etc etc.. Some folks that way but a lot of people either want to get rid of them because they hate him or they love him and he's fighting for us and they don't care about issues right now. That's not a good for our country. It's just not so. That's that's my long term. I mean I'm forty three so I got hopefully a few more years left in to me and I want ten years from now to look like what it looks like now I love government I love public service and I hope that the next I hope your kids and grandkids if they want to run for elective office they don't say no because everybody out there just things that are a bunch of criminals right. That's not good for our country. It's fundamentally not a healthy thing because because then you get you get people in there that you don't want to necessarily be wrestling with the sort of very difficult issues that that we're dealing with right now. One one final point. I struggle if I were in the house to be very honest with you. I would struggle with the fact and I know what the counter-arguments all this I get. The fact that the aid was released an understanding found out and then he released it to me if he never released it then. I think there's like clean things as you can put together but there's just a lot of great of this and it's a really extraordinary thing to do you to impeach and I do worry about what that will do to our political culture five ten twenty years from now when we start when when in a group of people to see Charlie's point about to senator going down and found articles of impeachment. I you know I hope that if and when Democrats do ultimately issue articles is that it is devoid of the sort of things that You know some of their base may be most animated about but but instead it's very literal and contextual then the final put on make you know we talk about. I talked a lot about the politics but the legal side of this. What the gentleman on the far end said earlier it? It's not like black letter law right up to four hundred thirty five members of Congress to decide what's impeachable and depending upon your Congress. Some people may find certain conduct impeachable other congresses may not find an impeachable. And so as you're voting here tonight you know you could. You could agree on the same set of facts and disagree on whether it's impeachable or not. And that's what I think is very unique about our system of government. Let me begin by saying how honored I am on behalf of the Constitution Centre to have convened such an extraordinary group of Republicans and Democrats. Let's debate so thoughtfully question. This is exactly what the Constitution Centre was established to do when it was established us by Congress during the bicentennial of the constitution to educate Americans about the constitution. And I'm so glad Congressman Evans that you had the inspired idea of convenience convenience by us for this evening civic education. The today show was engineered by Greg Shackling and produced used by Jackie. Mcdermott research was provided by. Lana Oric and Jackie McDermott. Please rate review and subscribe to we the people on Apple podcasts. And recommend mended showed a friends colleagues or anyone anywhere who is hungry for a weekly dose of civil thoughtful eliminating constitutional debate and always remember that the National Constitution Center is a private non-profit rely on the generosity of people from across the country were inspired by our nonpartisan mission of Constitutional Education. Haitian and debate in these partisan times we the people friends we all know that this mission is more urgently important than ever can support our mission by becoming a member constitution size dot org slash membership or give a donation of any amount to support our work including this podcast at Constitution Center Dot Org forward board slash donate behalf of the National Constitution Center. I'm Jeff Arose
YFT Season 2. Ep 21: Hannah G from The Bachelor stops by!
"Hi, what I do know. I'm in Canada. Oh, canada. Is it cold eighth actually be useful? My so my perfect favorite temperature. Adele is fifty five degrees and sunny, and that's what it is today. It's absolutely stunning. Why does Carl have unaccounted? Coral got a little bit of a cut. Only mean, we don't know what happened all of a sudden we we came home one night and he had this big gash in his groin nears. His wean area L O. So I had to take him to the vet. And he's got a couple of stitches and he's fine. But he's got the cone. Shame on right now. I feel bad for him because he's he's already very emotional. And then he also looks like he's sad that just as face all he is. So just like triple trouble for him park. Haro? He'll be fine. That's funny though. Yeah. I feel bad the cussin'. If he comes hangs out with me. I'll I'll take it off them. But he's been kind of like he was so drugged up yesterday. He would just like walk the corner of the room and stare. So sad was just like what is life? Poor guy. Yeah, he's fine. He's gonna be good. You're in Canada, you're doing Caitlyn's book tour or whatever the hell's going on buck to our podcast store. Razi? Yes. Tonight's our first night. And no one knows what the hell they're doing. Like we've never done this before. And we surprise and by the way. Yeah. Like refracted talking about Cleo's year and and her boyfriend, Adam and other ones that really put all this on. And we were all like, yeah. We're just gonna wing it. Like, I don't know. See what happens, and I feel like a lot of it's on me because I'm supposed to be the person that like keeps the show running the way it's supposed to. But like, I don't know how it's supposed to run because we've never done it. And no one knows what we're doing that sounds about right? Yeah. You know, what my whole life is like that. I mean, they could tell you make it, you know, I guess, but I hope they're paying you. Well, if you're in charge of everything this old things on brandy shoulders, guys. I oh, I know it's going to be a time. It'll be fine though. I wing everything and it all works out. So it'll be all right. If you just have to, you know, hit the ones and twos the near good, bro. Well, yes. And no because I yes, I'm playing music, but also like I'm kind of like also like during the podcast, boast alike. Play songs at certain times and help with transitions and keep the show running on time and everything we've an end time the way explain it is like Jimmy Kimmel his gear mow, his sidekick. Yeah. Like, I'm the gear mo- I have to like know your things here and there and. Play music at times when it's appropriate and keep the show going. You're the producer of the show, by the way, you grind you describe what a producer does not a side kick. Does I guess so you're doing both hidden Timestamps segue into things make sure the music is running right? And then also writing like witty and funny in the background. So your gear MO and like whoever Jimmy's EP is. Yeah. Well, the good news is I'm gonna be a pro by the end of it when we do a podcast tour. I'm gonna know exactly what we should do. I don't know if we need that in the world. Young Thang do come on. We can take Carl. He could be our road dog. No love to meet Carl. We could just hor him out for meet-and-greet. It's it would be great. I don't know. Carl's ready for that? We could have taco stand at our live podcasts and. It could be really great got. Now, you got me going y'all yet everyone in the audience just throwing out with brushes willy nilly, like yes, that's kind of fun to, you know, what's so funny, man. I was just like perusing through Twitter before I called you and someone had just posted a picture of like a bomb ass. Look lookin' hoagie sandwich. Yeah. And I immediately was like, oh, I want that. So that's all I needed was just a picture of a bomb sandwich to be like well get that today. Thank guys. And I don't know if he's rational is like marketing works on me. So well at detail like when I'm at the checkout line, anywhere. And you know, they purposely put all the cute things where you have to wait in line to pay. And you're like, oh, and that and that you know, what I could really use that to upper for that. I am to got. And they know I love I love as seen on TV shit. You know that I go. Nothing beyond probably your favorite place love bed, bath and be. I sometimes just go there just to hang out with like, Jerry and lorraine's my favorite just they work there. You know, they have an entire section. That's labeled seen on TV. Yeah. I know it crazy. I know and I own a lot of that crap. That you also show. I wish I had a bell. Browse and hose, you're listening to your favorite thing podcast with wells Ambra nday. I managed to pack my microphone, but the bell kept making noise and my suitcase and drove me nuts. I believe behind all good though worries dude. Guess what? We're gonna have the girl who was cut out of the bachelor on the show today. Hannidy and Jesus going to be stopping by you, why FT nine I loved hannidy. I love him g to I'd hope that we can get some white asked Rapin L my gosh. Yes, we have two good for you to have a rap battle. God. Who would be worse? I would be worse. Pretty good. That an episode. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. And I'm not good at wrapping. That's not my thing. But I could be like, I'm everything you. Thank you. Hold your Cyrus. But I could be like. At I. I could play something for you know. I don't really I don't know. I don't know if I know like rap guitar, you know. Three on us. It's not a big, you know, unless you're like. I don't know like a b. Unless you're like a like a country. I hate those country guys that like do country than rap in the middle of it. You know what I'm talking about? Scum on chooses. John fucking stick to pal. All right. What are you? And I forget what was somebody at CMA fast last year covered Drake in the middle of their set. The only person I've seen be able to do that. And do it. Well it Sam hunt. This guy was not Samland. And I wanted to be like, no, no, no. No. No. No. No. No. No, no. He he tried to cover God's plan. And I just remember cringing whole time. The cameras though, I'm excited. I'm texting well. I'm texting Hannity's publicists because I'm trying to get everything kind of like a lockdown ready to roll will. Yeah. I kinda wish you as the bachelorette. You know? What's funny is talked my mom last night. It's funny. My mom wanted talking about the bachelor, and I totally get it because I'm her inside scoop, you know. But it's not the thing that I want to talk to my mom about you know. Talking about mom about is like house Casey doing, you know, like when you coming in town like what's to plans before like that stuff? This is what she says. So impressionable by like social media, everything she was just like that girl who's the bachelorette. She just can't talk. She just and I'm like, yeah. I know it's like everyone's saying is that like, you know, talking tie that Ben till right ever. And she was like, well, you know, I wanted that little blonde with the big is to be the bachelorette. And I was like, you know, what didn't agree. And then she goes who my second. My second choice was is Caitlin. And I was like Kaelin Kaelin that when I was like, yeah. Mom, your mom's not wrong, man. I mean, those are my top faves two and Hannah even the she was so quiet all season. I really liked hearing her talk on the men tell all. Yeah. It I liked what she I mean. She stood up for Salvin. She said like you hurt me lead me on you know, I was crushed. Like, she really voiced how she felt when I really appreciated that about her. My sister Noah, no is nineteen years old and she'd obsessed with the bachelor, unlike oh, Lord, she's. Like texted me about Coltman Cassie are they really loved to. They love each other. Tell me the scoop brand I know you have it. And I'm like since windy, you watch the bachelor your nineteen go outside and have like live your real life. There's plenty of time to live vicariously through reality TV in your thirties. Gobi nineteen. Yeah. I mean she's obsessed but that's the age in which you do it. Right. Like, I guess my thing is when like a mama come up to me with like her young daughter who's like twelve and be like such a fan of yours. We get a picture, and I'm like, mom, what are you doing? Allowing your daughter to watch like an I'm not an on show. That's like got the virgin on it. I'm on the show. That's like we're having sex in the boom, boom room. Wells got everyone to drunk and crab. There's so many crab jokes 'cause crabs everywhere. Yeah. It's like an S T D. You know joke. Totally get it. I get gotta guiding. That's funny. It's her I will never let my children watch the bachelor. Yes, you will. But he talking weight will not surely to God. By the time. I have a kid if I have a kid the show will know, we will be no longer. Do you think the shows gonna stop anytime soon? I'm having kids anytime soon, I think by the time I have a kid. The bachelor Hicks be gown. That's a possibility Gaza. Do you got some favorite things to do? I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna call you out. You've been lacking on getting things where a huge hit. Don't you? Go in on me. So many people write me and tell me they loved the Blake rose song huge fans of that. Also, people buying up the book, I recommended left and right. So don't you. Okay. Okay. I will say, yeah. I try to watch episode one of 'em Bella kademi. I could not to it do just get through a couple of associates. I promise you. It's so phenomenal episode one willing to it. And for me. Yeah. I I would say that because episode got set the table, you know, guess and and set set the table refund, but you know, it is fun. Eating sitting down eating some fucking dental. Especially giving dinner. It's best meal of the year. Okay. Sorry. Is that a is that a faith thing thanksgiving? I used to make. Yeah, I used to make my grandmother, and my mom make thanksgiving dinner on my birthday as my birthday dinner because I loved it so much. That's fucking genius. Isn't it? And my birthday is in may. So it's like the happier a holiday food. So. Yeah. Every year. I was like I want things giving dinner on my birthday my birthday. I'm going to that is good. When is your birthday in may twenty six may sixteenth. Eight are uterus. Yeah. Are you NAMA? Gemini. Oh, yeah. That makes sense though. There's no way we'd be if there is any truth to Essar logical bullshit, then there will be no way that you. And I are the same thing and L, but you know, who is terrorists and some bad ass. I don't know his. Yes. That makes sense. Yeah. We're both bad ass bitches. All right. Both best looking one in our family and. God. I okay. A funny way. What is Sarah's side? Sees a sad on. That's right. She's not same as Miley. Yes terrace. I don't know. I don't know if I believe in any of that stuff but em. I don't believe that it like I don't believe in like people read there's ODI act like that's going to tell them what their month is gonna be like like, I don't believe that stuff necessarily. But I do find it very interesting the personality types in a line with zodiacs like I feel like I'm a fully Jim night through through like a definitely resonates with me. When I read about geminis. I don't know. I mean, you can contorts owes things any way you like to make them. Can't the thing. You know? Here's another thing. Do you think it's a coincidence that every guy I have ever dated every single one has either been a Taurus or agitators new? New. They've all been. But. Yeah. Everything one. It's so crazy. Yes. I do think that's a coincidence. I don't percents. How many guys have you dated six or seven full? I what maybe start dating some Leo's. There's some camp records because it's not in new guy is Leo actually dang. Yeah. So we're we're trying to the new hair. All right. That's good. That's that's quality that he is a Leo and he works in lake a animal sanctuary in Africa Leo's sign of Lyon. I n so much doesn't he always? We always joke that he sleeps like line sleep most of the day. It is you know, that is sleep like twenty hours a day. He when he's off he sleeps like for days. He always jokes. He sleeps like a lion. Let's go. That's cool. That's cool. All right. So I got some favorite things up here. Okay. There's a show on Netflix right now. And I thought I'm a little late to this. But let better late than never. And you haven't brought it up the show called sex education. I've seen that on my speed. But I've never watched it. It was a show that I was like, I don't you know, it's like kids in high school talking about sex. I don't care. You know, like, yeah, I'm I'm it's irrelevant to you the I'm past that my life. So the people that are in it. I I don't know if I'm saying his name, right? Awesome. Butterfield? He was in like a movie called Hugo. I think young British actress back actor Jimmy, all right? And then Gillian Anderson plays his mom, and she was Scully on X files. Luck that aback knee Massu bra. So she plays a sex therapist and her son assets. Like her son in the show is his name is Otis. He plays like a total nerd, I think he's like a freshman or a sophomore in high school in England Otis best friend is a gay kid named Eric who's absolutely phenomenal. Like, this kid's character arc is. So freaking good that I don't know. He should win some sort of Ord this kid his name is I can't even pronounce his real name. But it's Eric on the show. And then there is a girl named Maeve who basically looks like oh God. In suicide squad the hot blonde. What's her Robbie yet? But she looks like Margaritas character in suicide squad like exist. Like, interesting, blonde, blonde. End pink hair way too much. I make up she's like the cool bad ass chick. That's got that lives in like, the trailer parks or whatever many ways at one point Maeve. Here's Otis give someone sex advice because he's heard it from his mother for so long because she's a sex therapist. And she's like we can make some money with your knowledge know how and they start this kind of like little company where they're giving all these people who are like trying to figure out their their sexual horizons in high school advice, and there's like a meeting the millionaire storylines, and we finished it last night. And it's so good you want to should leave. How fast you guys watch TV insane to me. 'cause did we just it's straight up. Like once we get done with work. We come home or whatever and lying put on whatever redoing and will dislike rips like it'll be all night. Like last night. We watched four episodes. We're working dinner. So that was on and then dinner and that was on and then we've kinda multi task. Yeah. Totally anyways the thing that we noticed the most about sex education that we loved was there's like fifteen different storylines happening, and they're all super strong like there's no weak parts of the show like everyone's really really good in their thing. It's really well done. Absolutely go watch sex education big fan. Okay. All right. All right. I like it. But I need you to go watch umbrella academy to as that what I should watch -burse. I really wanna start murder mountain. That's the one I wanted to start yet. That one's good too, man. More like up. My alley to be honest. What different like one Sifi one drama and one the duck. So whenever you're into. But those three need to be done by you. You know, what I wanna see what I honestly will probably watch before any of this is the new Netflix movie that been athlete is in. Have you seen that triple frontier? No, I want to see that tell me about it. I mean, I haven't seen it yet. So to read the ah synapses former special forces operatives reunite to plan a heist in a sparsely populated multi borders zone, South America for the first time in their prestigious careers. These unsung heroes. Undertake this dangerous mission for themselves instead of the country who invents taken unexpected turn threaten the spiral out of control their skills. Loyalties and morals are pushed to breaking point in an epic battle force bible, though. I saw. Yeah. Oscar is in this. I love this. It sounds great. Sounds like. Exactly, my kind of movie the good looking guy. Charlie Charlie hunt, hunting, whatever also. Yeah. Okay. Now. I know why you wanna watch this. No, not by this. I love like a love suffer like this. But aren't you weren't you a big like sons of anarchy? No never seen. It really know. You know, what movie I freaking loved him in? It's so old, but like one, oh one of my favorite movies back in the day. Did you ever see the movie abandoned with Katie Holmes know, what's? Do I get on? It'll be like ten times. And he's in it. He's really young in it came out in two thousand and two, but one of my favorite movies back then like in in high school, I loved that movie. And he's in it that was his big break. I think this is good. I didn't know about by others movie. Like in theaters, but triple frontier, I'm gonna watch that man clicks, good stuff. So hopefully by next week. I'll have watched that we talk a little bit about it. I went to go see captain marvel e two days ago, and how is that? Okay. Like, it's it's a necessary film because she has to come in on adventures, right? I think her and Paul Rudd are the people that save the world in avengers annual. I don't know this. But this is my my hunch my area because captain marvel is one of the strongest superheroes in the marvel universe. So they need her. You know, totally. How was breed Larsen as a superhero? Okay. We've gone over this a couple times, and the marvel franchise have a formula great lead really funny cast, and obviously like amazing CGI and all that kind of stuff, but you need to have. It's it's almost like how Pixar does their kids movies that has like half kids stuff and then half adult humor. So evernote. I kinda come together. Like that's like gardens of the galaxy does really well. Brother-in-law's brother in Thor. Like, those are those are comedies totally that are also action movies, and I would say this captain Marvel's not funny at all interesting. And it's like, it's almost like did you watch venom. I love Thome heart. Now, what does that so venoms Spiderman is part of the spider verse? But like don't marvel and Tom hardy place venom left hand, I love him too. But it wasn't funny. And I was just like you can be the serious like brooding bad ass actor, and I almost think that's what breeze like she's an Oscar winner for like hurt dramatic roles share. She's not a comedic actress. So then weight was put on Sam Jackson who is funny. But like in a weird or way, like not comedic timing way. In like, get these fucking snakes off the fuck like that, you know now again now. Yeah. So like long diatribe to sail the. Movies good? It does the thing that needs to do which is gets her into vendors and endgame, but it just was not entertaining. But I tell you what it what it does do really really. Well, it's super inspiring for little girls like you can tell it's like what they're going for is inspiring little girls, which I think is awesome. And I'm like totally for it. Like, they're like, there's even like there's a little girl in it that like she's inspiring. And then elect shows her as a little girl like get knocked down the dirt like her getting up and being like, I'm no I'm gonna keep doing. It's it's awesome in that respect. Okay. Is what she was funnier. Yeah. It's probably not a movie, I'll pay for dec- theater. Probably one. I'll wait till it comes out while you're big into like the avengers endgame thing. It makes sense to go watch it. So you just so, you know, who the hell this person is right? I I love Paul rub. And I kept on looking at like ant man wasp and being like these look stupid an on. Yeah. And then I wind I actually never saw. Man. Okay. And then I watched it, and I was like fucking awesome loved really, okay? Because it's because it does the thing that supposed to do which I love you body. To watch that. Because I never watched that. 'cause I thought it looked silly. It's really really good. And the second one's good too. Okay. I am and the girl from lost is in it. She's the wasp. Oh, yep. Okay. You love her had a huge cross Arner back in the day. Funny. Lilly. Something lilly. Yeah. Yep. She's she's cute anyway aids. So do you remember it's been a few weeks? But there are few weeks ago. You went on a rant about something. And you started by saying, you know, what set them. Yeah. Okay. I kind of like we need a segment called, Saddam. I've got what immediately. Oh, great media. You know, Saddam what people were wearing socks with high heels. What? No, no. Thank you. Saddam. Nice shoes with socks. Please, that's buddy. And you know, what it is? I'm onto you ladies, you have in clip, the toenails. All right. You got a bad petty pedicure that hilarious. It's technically I like last year more. So it was like on the runways a bit and just kind of making its way into street style. Let's suppose to be a trend, but I fully understand your shoes with it. Can't you know, my lease their things is thank God. Sarah's into this. Oh, no. That when women sleep in bed with socks on. Oh, I can't do that sagoes with pants on much less socks. Yeah. Yeah. To 'cause there's nothing hot. He sweat feet. It'll. Sox dude? I yeah. Oh my God. Do you have a Saddam? I it's I do it's unexacting. It's more of just me complaining to be freaking honest with you guys. What my Saddam is. Pregnant I had no at this is not think you do been on a lot of planes lately. And I know we're like everyone's so over people complaining about flight stuff why it's funny, but Cali if I have to see one people are so dumb there, Saddam. Why would you what a tiny bag in an overhead bin especially on a small plane or there's not a lot of room for the large roller boards. What would in your brain tell you that you should put your small bag your purse or your backpack or something tiny in the overhead bin and mitt and take away space or someone to put a suitcase? No, I don't understand. What goes to people's minds? This agree wholeheartedly. No. I was I flew first class went to Calgary and there and it was a tiny little plane. There was only like room for like, maybe five suitcases. And I was like I was the fourth or fifth percent of the plane, but still it was all full already. But with backpacks. And like messenger bags and dumb south. And there was a whole section overhead bins based on the other side that just wouldn't fit a roller board, but that would fit their smaller bags, but he's all clear. And so I kind Lee I say I say, hi, I'm sorry. Are these your bags, would you mind? Putting them in the smaller been so I can fit my suitcase where it's supposed to go and they acted. They were like where you sitting like where are you sitting right next to you across the first glass, and I would like to my suitcase up above and she's like they act like a like it's so insane for me to ask that that's what it's four usual brain. I just can't all right agreed now hearing that specific situation. But if I bought a seat on a plane that means I'm allotted overhead bin space in a five got a backpack. I don't want that shit in my foot room 'cause I'm toll man, and I needed much foot room as possible. So let's go up there. All right now because you brought a roller bag Anna purse, Anna backpack. Well, not three. Okay, hampering. Yeah. Well, I see women do all the time. But okay, I, but I see what you're saying with the smaller in the bigger that makes total sense. Don't be the dummy thing the new planes. They have diagrams on every single Ben that show you to make more room. You flip the bag on its side now. Oh, yeah. More imports. If there's diagrams the when you're putting your bag neighbor had been you're staring at a guy Graham says please put your bag on its side. People. Don't do it. I don't understand. And you not read you're an adult. How come you can't read the sign in front of your face? It says put the bag on its side and make room for people. I just it blows my mind that people can't directions. Yeah. Okay. Set him by love this segment. We also have sagoes. Sure. Okay. So I was doing cooking wells segment the other day, and I was like I was making locks which is a like toast with locks on its sits sets spoke, salmon. I saw that fancy and are like made it's the Jewish delicacy. And I mean the joke that joke did twenty three and me, and I found that I'm four percent Jewish which has very excited about I was like that's a four percent me. It's funny. And you look you kinda kinda got the curly hair. And the all thing not mad about that. By the way now. Oh, yeah. Even though I'm to twelve years of Catholic schools. Jasey was a Jew. So we're good notably. But anyway, I did the cooking wells not use Manas cream cheese, and is sort God. My inbox was full of Jewish people. Be like that's not what we do that is sagoes don't ever grounds. I know. But I didn't have any cream cheese. Also, this is my cousin cream. Teas are not interchangeable. That's not the same thing. Let me ask you this. Do you put manny's on of konoto st-? No, okay. No, really. Absolutely not. I don't eat, man. As at all the only time I had man as I usually try to vegan mayonnaises is when I'm making like tuna salad or chicken salad. That is the only time I allow manny's. Okay. But let me tell you some I on my favorite things is manny's. Okay. Now. It's delicious it lard. It's all it is fat. No, actually, it's not do not you don't haven't. Let me let me get you. Don't even really know. What man as is? Eggs, and what else and vegetable oil it's on these barf. And I think maybe a little bit of editor and salt and pepper truly eldest. But it's it's an amazing condiment that makes everything moist and juicy the cigarettes. Gross. So you're you're gross is managed is. Yeah. All right. Larry issues, but I got one more faith faith thing. Yeah. There's documentary on Netflix. I think you'd like we just started at last night. It's called what happened to Madeleine McCain or something like that. And he's like this little girl. This little British girl who was -ducted in Portugal anyways. And it's it's issue story halfback two thousand seven, but here's the weird thing, and Sarah pointed this out last night when you're watching it and a little girl was abducted in Algarve Portugal. No, which is where. That's probably why they were so freaked out. He said talked. Way me not stare ball. No, there's a little part of of the tourism board. That was like we gotta get the bachelor here like make our name and Algarve a little bit better. Because all we're known right now is for this little girl getting -ducted. See I didn't even know that. I didn't either when we realize we were watching it. Now, it's like Al gar L O. I mean that joke about Algarve and like that's why or scaredy ran away. Doc, did that's insane. But anyways that show is interesting. I'm only the second episode but unlike series. Yeah, yeah. There's like chapel. Do you wanna call Hannah g speaking of the batch and give her income kale? All right. Give me a second. Well, did you have an awkward phase grownup really to be honest with you? Yeah. I don't I'm like that guy. I didn't ever have bad skin. I did have braces for like ever though, you know. And I was and I remember I had braces in like middle school. And then I had it going into high school at I so didn't want that. Because like dude that guy never going to touch boob. You know, that would be the only reason, I know touched a poop, whatever. But now they've got these invisible liners that make it so you could totally touch boobs. Oh, gosh. Well, I don't know about touching boobs. It does make it a lot easier for you to work on straightening your teeth without looking like a complete nerd. Yep. Tell about smile direct club small at club. You can straighten your teeth with invisible liners sent directly to you. It's only eighty dollars a month. And you can have the smile you'll love and a lifetime competence, which by the way, that's crazy considering I remember like I didn't pay for time by parents defensive. I remember like orthodontist appointments were so expensive. No braces. No monthly office visits. You don't have to pay a fortune, and he's gotta do go to smile. Direct club dot com to see real before. And after photos of three hundred fifty thousand satisfied grins viewer Afri impression kit or a free impression kit with the rebate or schedule a free three D scan at one of their smile shops. Plus small club has declarative offer for our listeners. Get one hundred fifty dollars off your invisible liners at smile. Direct club dot com slash podcast and use offer code Y, F T one five zero for your favorite thing. One. If nothing great discount, right? A lot of money. That's almost two months right because it's eighty dollars a month. Yeah. You're right. So I know mathematician, pretty good that comes out to one sixty. So that's almost two months both freight. It's too if you're listening this operas byu, get one hundred fifty dollars off at smile. Direct club dot com slash podcast and use our offer code Y F T one five zero small club dot com slash podcast offer YIF TV one fifty Dylan. Four year. See get Haenel on the Liz. Hi, can you? We got. Energy on why FT that rhymes? I like that bell. Where are you right now? So I just not back tag allow Bama young today where do you live in Alabama Birmingham? Oh, I like Birmingham friends that lived there. And it's really. Yeah. It's pretty cute. It's all right. What's the bring broken up with in Birmingham one? That's cool. No way yet. You're sorry. I'm fine. It's mina. I'm dating really Hawkeye now. So we're good matters. Right. There could be worse. You could have gotten broken up within Portugal or some shit on TV. Maybe it. Well. About is due soon. Yeah. I was a little jet lag. Not too soon happen if you months ago, I was lagged for mine. So. Up. You know, it's true breakup. But you seem to be fine. I so I watched obviously watched the finale and everything, and I really I was wells. I really appreciated. The fact that you spoke your mind about how you felt and that you were hurt. But then you also were very confident in the fact that you're right and move on. And you're right to put bind you. Yeah. I mean, that's what I win tonight. I like, you know, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get everything out all the stuff, and I just threw it all out there and caught a little bit closure. I mean, isn't it closure enough to just be told? I'm not in love with you. But getting answers, I think was you know, the biggest task that I wanted to complete while I went in there. And I think I did it sorta kinda at the end of that whole thing odds wise, what did you think your chances of getting engaged to him? We're while I was in Portugal. Yeah. Like so you get to fantasy suites. You know, there are two other. They're women. Are you like I'm ninety seven percents. Sure that I'm the one or you like, I don't know if the tossup between me and Cassie or like what what were you thinking? You're odds we're like because I remember when I was doing the show, and I was like zero percent chance. So. Don't kiss the person. All dude. Whatever I remember watching that. So I did kiss the person. Yeah. But but really I I think I was at a eighty eight only because of this situation that I was in and actually having no clue about him and his other relationships. But being like, actually, very very sure about mine or what I thought was sure obviously, I had no clue what I was talking about. But yeah, you know, I the way we would talk on and off camera. I was like it's us in. They would ask me. Like, what are you scared? Are you worried? I was like, honestly. No like, I kept asking questions like no, not worry about it. Like, I know how he feels. And I guess now. I know why they were asking me at the time. You know, I I was really confident. So yeah. Third job though. It's their jobs, but doubt and fear in your mind cause that makes good TV for them. No. It's their job to do. To to to put the thing. That's the opposite of what's going to happen in your mind. I remember what they would tell me was dude your date is going so great best conversations. She's had with anybody. This entire time. You're Keller, and I was like all right. Yeah. Cool. And. I was like you mother fuckers. That's. She was not enjoying this. That I I mean, you're on your own lane when you're there, you're not leaking in else's. So in my head. I was like easy peasy this like this show was not as hard as I thought it would be like somehow, I've waited drama the whole time. Yeah. Estate of my lane. And then I end up being accidentally somehow in one of the most dramatic moments on the show. So I can avoid it. I. Okay. Here's here's my question for you. How did you belong with everybody? Let you didn't seem to have any drama with anyone you got along with everybody. And everyone's dating the guy you're in love with. How did you do that? I don't know because I do that. I thought I wasn't going to be able to thought him super weird. I remember the first night. I was like kind of I in the room, and I'm like in my head. I was like villain nano like the psych like, you know, what I mean, you're to how the saga work, but I don't know just being a decent human. It's not that hard. I feel like just being like, oh, hey, how's it going our legs? So that you just keep everybody at arm's length a little, you know, like did you get close to anybody in specific? I got really close to a lot of people. And it's such a weird thing because it's like, hey, you look really great for that day that you're going on with kind of my boyfriend right now like I get how weird it is. But for so it was almost weirder. For me to be like, I'm not gonna joy any of this. I'm like I've worked my whole life. Like I have done a nine to five up until like last year, basically for forever. So I mean, I would just wake up on. Well, I'm in Asia right now. Like, I definitely had moments who are kinda get to me. But I was like also I wasn't worried for some reason. I was just like, you know, what I feel like we're vibe enough to go in this industry Joya. And I mean, I wasn't there to make friends. It's always weird. Somebody's like I'm here to make friends. It's like, well, I'm not your enemies that takes so much more word. So I would just kinda chill and step back watch things. And yet if I have something to say, I'll say it. But I mean, if it's like she jumped my pizza in somebody gets mad. I don't I don't know. I was like whatever, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I did a great job. I think maybe not people. But yeah, I mean, you seem very chill. I'm dislike you, just kinda roll with the flow. I can relate. I like it order. Art wells, ask your question. Why did you cut out of the show? I'm so confused because now I've met you a couple times you're very funny. You're you can speak normally. I don't understand why you cut out of the show. I don't know. What is that? You're just so normal in a good way, you're so chill normal that it wasn't good enough TV. Yeah. Obviously what they air is the drama. Didn't bring a lot of. Yeah. I think in my head might love story was enough. Instead of the drama, so you Narcan just try to focus on that. But obviously it wasn't enough. So I think I just kinda got up. There was a lot like it's not like I would be like, no, I'm not answering this question. I know why you're asking me this like I didn't care like I wasn't in the seasonally. And I don't know are don't aren't you freaking bachelor. We wanna know why aren't you the bachelorette, and I want you to know this. I talked to my mother yesterday. She's very upset. You're not the bachelorette. So there you go. Well, I think it goes back to what you just said. I think people didn't really get the chance to know the full version of me, they saw small percentage, and it's not like I wouldn't there. And I was like the craziest one, but I was definitely cracking jokes. Having a good time. And I think it's just because people maybe didn't get to know enough. And I mean, people just love Hannah beat too. So you know, I I didn't get it. Because this this this. It's like, no big. Did you want it? I was open to it. But I was trying hard not to get too latched onto that idea. Just because at as somebody viewing it like every episode on this parts can be funny at the pool party. What I did. And it's like oh wasn't there. So I wonder if people are wondering who I am or I don't know again. I think it was I think Hannah season's gonna be like, no other and I just loved her so much, and she really has such a big you guys to talk to her yet. No. I haven't have you. She's she's a gem. So did you know her before the show on my gosh? So I we had heard of each other before I did hatchets if you years ago, okay? And we competed in one of the same Paget's together. Neither of us won that year. But I got Congeniality. So there's I got the big you want. Then I shout Hodges. And then we knew of each other kind of and I walked in sitting there. I was like, you know, in the house in the mansion, and they're like what your name. And I was like I'm Hannah they're like where are you from Alabama in way, meet you, and I was like what in there like there's another album Hannah here, I was like skirt like. USA? We into will hate early up. Like, it's like it was just so weird. You're in this weird environment that you recognize so much just like that. It would be homeys. So have interesting. Okay. I have a question. Yeah. So yeah, you want to be the bachelorette ever. And it's not because that's what you win in there to do. But like as someone who has been in that experience. That's everyone's common denominator is that you're super competitive because that's what makes the show really good and competitive person would never be like, no, I don't want to quote, unquote. If I can't get and gauge than I don't wanna be the winner and be the bachelor the bachelorette that doesn't make any sense everyone wants that thing because everyone wants because that's ballad Asian across the board. Right. That's saying that America wants you to have your own television show. So I think you're saying the right thing being like, I'm open to it. Yes. Of course. But after seeing the guys that are going to be on the show, are you happy. You're not the bachelorette. I think Kennedy, and I totally different gonna give us some politically, correct. No, I hate when people are like that. I called people out when they do that. But I I have right. Yeah. Bummer. Ben has a girlfriend because I feel like you in banner like could maybe hit it off. But he's oh gosh. No. I think he's probably really happy. Break down. The guys they announced that you that you like would go down the list, and you say like, oh, man. I would have liked to meet him that I saw oh shit, man. Look at that guy. I there to not were decent at the end of the list, but decent at best like it was tough. I think there's some cuties. I'm going to be totally honest and fricken hated my what is picture that picture though, yell at your head or. Yeah. I always do it doesn't do a lot of people Justice looking wise. I definitely see some potential. But like, I think it depends with the personalities because you can look at somebody like are so hot in then you can talk to them. And you're like, wait you. Times the guys have zero personality. So yeah, I would just need to be at them or see how they are in her season in style cracking me up right now the look on his face, not really grow me. Let's go. We'll know when I would I thought I was hanging out with deer coup. Does the benches podcast? And yeah, like there was this girl who was like DM ING him being like this one guy from the show wouldn't leave me alone. And I don't know if you guys saw like if you go to the benches Instagram thing, it's like the whole conversation. And so Derrick re tweeted it or like reposted it. And then another girl is like, oh my God. I know that guy he asked a on me, no way, and so Derrick screengrabs or didn't happen. So then they started setting to Derrick at our like having tacos in Venice beach the other day, and he's like oh my God getting weirder. And weirder, and I was just like all poor Hannah. Bama skit surreal. I would do anything just to tell her because that's people that I blocked a Mike. If it's that excessive it's like two needs to watch out and hopefully to concede. But like if you don't have your phone like for some people, that's a bad thing. But for that, dude. It's probably a really good thing downs. He sounds very passionate about moving forward in that DM. I don't know. I hope that she can just see I've got him. I got a feeling that. I producers saw that. And they're like, well, he's not getting a rose night one because they need that in the show like they don't need that like alterior storyline. You know, so failing things, but I don't think they need some buddy paying on though. We don't have they don't need the human BP Bennett. Okay. I guess I have to ask it because I saw on the tabloids that you may have an eye out for our good friend, Blake Hort s- mine, I want this to be true. So bad guys. I. No, I have data Agana look. The bed. God let me tell you this. I've met a lot of the people from this franchise Blake is by no offense. Wells Blake is one of my absolute favorites. I love you to wells. I love you too. But I adore Blake. He has been such a good friend to me. He's such a normal, dude. He's such a good guy. He's always in a good mood. He's just so positive and like so fun. He's honestly one of the best dudes like if you any interest at all, I'm for it. I also think that Blake is the second best guy ever from the bachelor crash is and I'm here for it. So I that's one. Well, yes, dick. I can't lose total confidence in your you had me at tacos fee. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, great. Well, yeah. I mean who knows it's like I seen that. It was I didn't think it would be that big of thing like everywhere in stuff. But I mean, you never know. It's like you would have to me in vibe in connected than if either of us did show up here. It is. Thank you can't just go into their being like, oh, I have to meet this person. It's like no just message than before. Like, I would have to be open minded. But he I have really great things. So cute. Do right? It's very are yet at like it who's taller Colton or Blake Blake Blake Blake's fuck and tall, man. And your and your your little I've met you hollered, David. That's because I saw the picture of you in Caitlyn. And and I know Caitlin. The new Soto next to Caitlin and Kayla had on heels, I'm pretty average high. But some people think sorts people seemed like five seven, oh, really. I'm fine. I'm fine since the no, okay. Yeah. You're taller than me. Then so yeah. I would have never thought that. Well this. Yeah. This I have a picture of of Hanno next to one another. And I was like, wow, I'm a lot taller than than her out. But maybe a year youtall. Well, yeah, I know I just was like oh hana's like Sarah site. That's how like looking at it, but Sarah too. So there's no way, but you might not been wear heels that day, I don't know. Anyways, really matter can get an apple box. Yeah. I mean, whatever. Talking like, so we hold on. I'm shipping. I'm shipping. What are we gonna call him Danna banana plan a couple of wells this thing it, really hard? Give me time when I'm not like on the air to do this. Hold on. Have you have you met him reacted this right now, do I just sit here? What am I I don't know? You just sit there awkward be offered. Have you have you? No, one can see you accept wells on ice though. Good. Have you met him yet though? I'm so confused. How did the story start was it some interviewing in you? And being like, well, I think Blake's cute I think Jason scale like Redick doing that. And that's how the story started. It is wanted. Yeah. At least like would you maybe want to paradise? I wouldn't mind if I accident ran into him in Mexico. Yeah. I don't think he I don't think he would mind either. I don't think so either watch him totally mindset. That's why I'm like, no, no. And I just go in there with like all of this pressure. If I did, I don't even know if I'm if I. You're you're. Yeah. What do you drink? What's your drink? Okay. Well, I it's really basing. But what I would drink out the house. It's your both get wanna throw up right now. If I say, it's the gross gross. It was so Gus. Saga? It was I caught it my happy juice, and I got you know, if you are bartender whoever's there a lot of people will be asking for this. Cocktail sort of in it's called happy juice, and I named it happy juice because it makes you in such a good mood, and it's starting with a low slash red bull. Oh, wow. Oh taste is not good. But the filing I'm telling you. It'll be two AM and you're wanting to go through a field of butterflies and rainbows, right? That's one of your favorite things then. Yeah. Keila? I like, a Mojo. If you do those do, you know, how to do that brandy? Can you stop making? It seem like I don't have any idea. No idea what you were doing. I know. I really don't. But yes, I can make Moheda can make a Margarita I can make the happy juice, which sounds like. Some thing. If I'm going to try that with me tonight. I like it. Okay. But you try it at a at, you know. Midnight to two AM. I think that's when you like the taste of it the best you probably won't like at dinner something. Yeah. Well with vis nine or something now. But so we're doing a live podcast tour, and it starts tonight in some Anna, maybe will kick off the tour with a little happy juice do and let me know if you feel happy, and if you feel sad sorry. Hannity. The show is called your favorite thing podcast because we talk about our favorite things are what are some of your favorite things right now. Joe's that your binging Instagram pages at your following anything like that. Songs that you like. Okay. Anyway, songs anything Khalid right now. Like all of his songs. I just you know, those artists that you just trust in your like I'm gonna like the song. And even if you don't like it, you make yourself like it goes for me. I really like him right now. I like real housewives. I watched the bachelor a few times this year. That's pretty good. Way real housewives, which which city do you watch? I really liked the Beverly Hills like the Orange County. Okay. I'm here for the Atlanta housewives man, they bring the heating. They don't hold back. Reality TV. And I hate that. I say that I like it. But I just really love anything. That's reality. Really? I didn't like the TLC shows like the Doug nineteen kids in counting. What about what about the MTV shows? Wells loves what's wells, dude? Ex on the beach, man, I watch it all I- anytime that I have time to watch reality TV, and I don't even do it the cool way. Look, you're not flex or. Hello on like, I'm in court this in watching love. Instagram counts. I know like I feel like I'd have to look, but I'm on my phone right now. Headey thing that you're just like into right now. Oh, gosh. Okay. So it's this new thing like on Snapchat in. Sometimes I'll watch it. It's ASM are. Play with slime and stuff in it. Make you feel relaxing. I was like this is a joke. This is weird. But it's so interesting to watch I will literally watch somebody cut Plato. And I'm like, okay. The worst whispering ones on that stuff. I'm not I'm not into it. But like, you know, if they're. Why don't I like it? I've been wanting to talk about ask for a while you have we haven't brought it up. So it's like the ones that the blow me blow me away. It's like it's like some girl and just dock rally gals at shall I? Chat like this at chill like make noises with lips it's fucking verifying and people into because it's definitely a sexual thing that creeps me the fuck out. But this is. What it takes? No, I the gross. So and I literally even if I'm just like with my friends or something something funny happens. I'm like, oh S mart. I've been saying it now, and it's just been like carnival ongoing joke thing, but you know, if you put some Plato in cut in front of me for some reason, I'm like that's acting. Yeah. I do I also like the one where it's it's it's like a bunch of elastic cords or whatever. And they cut it in the fray genome talking about. Into it into that for. That's very interesting. She's like, you're weird Delaware. But okay, I'm down whatever. Dude. Don't you or energy, dude? You're fucking awesome. You're beautiful. You're really funny. You're smart. You're wells, you can speak actual words, which I didn't know until the relaxed of the bachelor, I'm very very upset that you're not the bachelorette, but I will upset too. But I will say this after seeing the guys in the PP man, I feel like you are off you might just guy got out of the way of train just saying did also Blake has always said he will never go back on the bachelorette. But then he would go to paradise. Yeah. Kansas mean, Blake much better this way, I like it. But. Well, face Gifter Intel him if you do show up in on he's next up Assode voice. I I'm gonna go ahead and say this out loud. I imagine that number if you do show up in Mexico number one down the stairs is going to be you. And number two is going to be Demi. And then number three. We don't know who these guys are yet. That's a problem all these guys that it'll be someone from there. And then a Blake shows up. It'll be like the next day which will give you stress, but then he'll show L yet because they're gonna want you to hit it off with someone else. Yeah. I'm Blake show up and wreck everything. Yeah. Never know. Watch AS Amar, relax. At the barn. And I'm happy to we'll be fine. I've promise early find I feel like he's gonna comment on this big ship 'cause I raised in trying to ship us. That's a new you never. You never know. I think hopefully, we'll both go in minded if happens happens and. Yeah, then we'll drink packages. All right. I'm here for it. Thanks for taking the time, you rock, man. And and yeah, anytime you wanna come back on YIF two year more than welcome. Yep. Down escape chatting with you guys hung out. Do you have anything you want to promote happiness? You should just like message. Somebody who you haven't message in in day, and then also happy juice. With I supposed to promote wanna know if you were like. Instagram, blah, got cast coming out like, you know, but I'm here for the happiness. If you want or just take somebody eleven or just techs, your friend family band. Are you could be wrong with this are you from Daniel Melby? Yes. With her up to Nashville, and we all hang next month home and let. Nash right now. I technically I own house. They're not there ton, but they're more towards the end of the year. So we'll have to do a hang stop. We'll Ling my friends. Brandy your friend. She was from four the bachelor dude, Danielle thought you're talking about they Hanno. No, yeah. How they losing out with me. Okay. Stop just stop feeling my friends or AGA out and Nash in. We're going to go to a honky tonk sounds different. You talked about UL's Danielle, and I talked about here's make you feel better. I like go hana's like the mom in our relationship or she's like, it's gotta be fine. Guys. Relax, everyone. Take braff. Energy cabinets? Time like a referee this. I know you're a big on. They're like. Maybe. All right. Let's let let's let Hannah get on with your day. Dude. Thank you so much for being on the show. You are wonderful guys are great. You have me at taco, and you have being fabulous. Guys or a little dude by I'm obsessed with her. I mean might be the sweetest little thing I've ever met my entire life, so dope. I need her today Blake. I'm literally calling him to hang up. Yeah. Great. God she is like not show more of her on TV. I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. Do you wanna know why I have a theory on this? Here's my theory too. I think they thought she was going to be the one who gets engaged I think they knew that Cassie was going to flee. I think they knew that he wasn't super into any of the other girls, and it was down to both of them. The edit that they had in the can was romance. Romance Rome AS Roma's how beautiful this thing is. And when that didn't happen, and he chooses his Cassie they don't wanna over romanticize his relationship with her because then it might diminish his with Cassie right? That makes sense. So there's no funny stuff because that's not something they are focusing on because they were like, well Demi can be the funny one or curb into the funny one we need like romance from her because she's going to be probably the winner. You know, totally. I imagine that's. What it is. I'm honestly like getting to know her now, it's too bad. She's not the bachelorette. I'm sure handed great. But like it's too bad the bachelorette because like she seemed like the sweetest thing in the world. But let's just let's just call spades. Spayed right here. Guys, the success rate for paradise is much better than it is on the bachelorette and kale. I'm kinda here for her going to Mexico for month. Also, she's beautiful. I'm sure that letting it's gonna be great TV to see her in a bidding bikini every share, you know. Absolutely now should beatable. Yeah. Anyways, that's gonna be good. It's going to be good. Have a good feeling for her actually. Yeah. Wow. All right. We have way too much time. So he can go. And now I need to go Caitlyn's like where are you to needs me? All right, dude. Well, have a good day till thanks kill gay by Cobra. But.