9 Burst results for "Charlie Hills"
The Final Furlong Podcast
"charlie hills" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"So maybe Justify is the one that we'll do it and that we should pay a little bit more attention to. But it's a fascinating subplot to it because Johnny is right. Galileo was there and was incredibly influential for Coolmore for a very, very long time, but he was influential for a lot of trainers. And his absence changes the game. And Frankles are a different type. It's a different mentality with the progeny of Frankle. They act in a different way. They're a little bit more highly strong than Galileo's were. But the same can be said about No Name Evers and how highly strong they are and the temperament differences that they have compared to Galileo and their ability to be able to be that little bit more tractable, the ability to be able to race over a variety of different distances. Galileo's could be six furlong two -year -old champions, but also gold cup winners at Ascot. You're not getting a gold cup winner at Ascot by No Name Evers. You're probably not going to get an Ascot gold cup winner by Justify, but you might get an arc winner by him. It's going to be fascinating. It's going to be really, really fascinating. And this tangent was brought to you by Coolmore Start. Send your mare to 10 sovereigns now. I kind of sent us off a bit on that tangent. That was all me, son. Wasn't paid by the lads. I'm being reminded by Trish to tell everybody who the real superstar Stallion is, and that it's an absolute disgrace that I didn't. Wait a second. Where has he gone? Oh no. Oh no. Don't tell me I'm learning about breaking news on the show that probably happened about a year ago that I don't know about. Where the hell has Highland Real gone? Do you know, he's not a horse I've given much thought to. How dare you? How bad do you dare you? Briefly, St. Mark's Basilica is going to be interesting. I'm excited to see what his project is. Yeah, I was just about to bring him up actually as I was just having a little scroll through the Coolmore Stallion roster and I'd kind of forgotten about St. Mark's Basilica. It's going to be fascinating to see his progeny because obviously he's by CUNY, but he's got Galileo on the damn side, hasn't he? He's really interesting in terms of Stallion potential there. World champion three -year -old, European champion two -year -old, Horse of the Year. More importantly, it's the Group 1s, the Jewhurst, the French Derby, the Eclipse, and that Irish Champion Stakes, which was put up on Twitter the other day by somebody I can't remember who, apologies. That was a blinding race. I absolutely love that performance. I have to find out where Highland Real has gone. I presume he's just been loaned out or some deal has been done. Oh god, he's gone to Japan. Breeders' Cup winner Highland Real to stand in Japan in 2023. The seven -time Group 1 winner and Aidan O 'Brien's all -time money -winning earner goes to Akiyado Stud next season. Okay, all right. Well, Japanese blood stock is absolutely thriving and they're getting all the Stallions these days. Isn't that where Poetic Flair went? Poetic Flair and Siskin from the Irish Champion Stakes all went, well Siskin wasn't in the Irish Champion Stakes, but he ran that same year. He's gone to Japan and Poetic Flair has gone to Japan as well. Interesting. Interesting times. Okay, back on track. Greenland Stakes. So this is the race that we thought Little Big Bear was going to go for. They've decided to go to Haydock instead and it means Art Power is your favorite at two to one. It's going to be a British invasion and looks as though it's set for export. Garris for Charlie Hills with Ryan Moore booked nine to four. Michael Callaghan, who I know is busy at the Breeze Up sales this week. Colin Keane on board Twilight Jet, who's a very talented horse on his day and was really good at Nace this time last year, beating New York City. He was an old favorite of ours on the podcast. Who do you like, Mark Milligan? I like Twilight Jet. He certainly wouldn't be the first horse we've seen who was very, very precocious as a two -year -old and then hit a sort of wall as a three -year -old. And he goes well fresh, which is key, isn't it? He won at Nace on his comeback last season. I think he had excuses for both these two runs after that at Ascot in the, was it the Diamond Jubilee or was it, oh no, sorry, Commonwealth Cup. Commonwealth Cup where he finished last to perfect power. I think he scoped badly that day. And in the July Cup after that, I think he just ended up on the wrong side, to be honest. I just don't think that race panned out particularly well for him. I think both of those runs were a right or perhaps a bit concerning that we haven't seen him since then, but his record fresh kind of makes up for that for me. Look, this isn't a strong group two race, not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think Art Power is quite the horse he was. Garris is a bit below the level of elite sprinters. I thought he kind of fell in in an avenue that wasn't a particularly good race last time. I think both of those are there to be taken off. And at the current prices, I'd more than be willing to be Twilight Jet. Yeah, I struggled to get to Cripps with this race, quite frankly. I went around and around with Art Power, Garris and Twilight Jet. And I think that the simple solution is go with you and Twilight Jet because he's pretty solid and he's a very fair price as well. I'd round about five to one. Listed race 305 over a mile four. Did we drop this race from the running order? Am I mentioning it by mistake? No, because I've got a bit of a fancy in here so we can run through it briefly. Let's go Mark Milligan, let's go because this is one that I am intrigued to hear who you like in. Yeah, now I was going through this because I've written a Saturday's cura races and this is one of the races that I featured in that column. And when I was going through it this morning, Attillion of Joseph O 'Brien's and Run for Oscar were both towards the head of the market. But I think there's doubts over both of them. Attillion has not been with Joseph O 'Brien very long. She was with David Menouizier. She ran poorly in a listed race at Cork on her first start for the Joseph O 'Brien yard. She was even money. She finished last of 11. I think also she's at her best with a little bit of dig in the ground so conditions may not be ideal. Also, Run for Oscar, look, we're going to have relatively quick ground this weekend. I don't want to be with Run for Oscar towards the head of market the in a listed race over a mile and a half. And I think Johnny Myrta's Mashure will just end up being too quick for them. I think he's just got too much of a turn of foot for them. He disappointed a little bit on heavy ground in the Irish Cambridge on his comeback, but that was over a mile. I think he's better over further. He won at Cork over 10 furlongs last time. He's done that once before and that was in the Duke of Edinburgh at Royal Ascot last year. But I don't think he was right that day. He was beaten 40 on length. He can't have been right. For me, I think he'll stay a mile and a half. He's got Mongeur on the dam side of his pedigree, gets speed from the Kingman side of his pedigree. I'm very keen on Mashure in here. I think conditions will be perfect for him and I think he'll just do them for a turn of foot. I like it. I particularly like the four to one that we're getting about him as well. Ben Cohen, Johnny Myrta, Johnny's sources are running well too. Let's go. Irish 2000 Guineas, Tadasol's Irish 2000 Guineas. We've got Royal Scotsman, who has been supplemented for the race and is the two to one favourite. Jamie Spencer rides in place of Jim Crowley for Paul and Oliver Cole and is the two to one favourite. High Royal O'Sheen Murphy and Kevin Ryan bids to prove that that was no fluke in the 2000 Guineas when he was runner up to Caldeen. Nine to two and on the drift. Proud and Regal has been supported today, a seven to one shot. I was pretty underwhelmed with his comeback, Ron. Higher up in the bedding is Paddington for Aidan O 'Brien and Ryan Moore. Pop quiz, hot shot. What year did Aidan O 'Brien last win the Irish 2000 Guineas? No, I can answer this straight away because I wrote about this in my column earlier. 2017, Churchill. Well done. Well done, sir. Nicely played.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"charlie hills" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"If that horse is half as good as nature strip. Then good luck. These sprinters will just have to wave a white flag before the race even begins. As long as there isn't a repeat of what happens to the Wesley ward horse last year, actually I shouldn't mention that because Mark was up to his eyeballs on that cool more horse that day, oh dear. Moving swiftly along, but Aiden is now running a couple of forces this season that have sprinting aspirations that little big bear who obviously bumped out in the 2000 guineas. I'd still like to see him go for the 2000 guineas. I think they're going to go for the greenlands with him. Aesop's fables. We saw a run over the weekend, wasn't surprised that noble style got beaten. I was a little bit surprised that it was wasn't closer. So you could argue that, well, the Antarctic is clearly he's a winner, and he's the one who's going to step forward, so he's probably going to be there. Their main Alaska horse with hopefully little big bear. But it's just, I don't know. That come World Cup has a long way to go yet, markets entirely possible that he will be good enough to go on winners, but something that the king stand, for example, that that will be off the table now in my mind. Yeah, he's not going to ruin the king's standards. He still run in the Commonwealth cup. Like you say, there's a little bit of water to go into the bridge there. I think at this moment, I've been leading towards sakhir because I thought his ruining the Guinea suggested that he be a very, very good sprinter. I don't think he just quite saw it. I was just being chatting. I was just having a look through potassium previous performances because I was going back quite a long way. And it's interesting, isn't it? Because I had in my mind that the touch, of course, it was a full brother to the Antarctic, isn't it? Had in my mind that batash was a little bit of a late developer and he was going back through took him quite a long time, didn't it before he actually got off the mask and didn't destroy himself at royal ascot as a juvenile. They killed him. Even after a gelding race, doing ended up getting beaten three times in a row. And then he really began to flourish from the summer of his three year old season, I think it was. So just looking at that, but what I'm essentially trying to say is there's hope that the Antarctic could go on and become a lot better than he's already shown. If he follows that sort of similarly late developing path as his father attached. Well, that's interesting because we're going to have 8 in a couple of weeks. And I do remember last year when I was doing one of the many stable tours with him, he made that point that there are obviously never going to guild the Antarctic as long as he is showing his form. They spent 750 grand on them and the whole plan is to give him a career at start. But that they're very much aware of how difficult batash was and that that gives them a great helping hand. And I think they spoke with Charlie hills about the kind of temperament issues that they had behind the scenes with him. Possibly on the day that they were buying the Antarctic just to get a feel for what kind of personality is. So that's a really interesting point to make because, yeah, he's two year old career after he was glad he had three starts. He was, he was okay, but nothing great. And then at steady progression is three year old career, when he rocks up a sequence of wins, over 5 for a long time and then becomes the dominant sprinter of his time. I'm not saying that the Antarctic is going to be that fella, but Trish just put something on my screen, which is very interesting.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"charlie hills" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"A good time of things for Aidan O 'Brien. After a couple of horses ran flat, and we'll talk about a few of them in a little bit, you could have started going, hang on, is everything all right at Belly Doyle? Normal service resumes as they bang in winners left, right and centre, and almost had a four -timer at Nice today. And the Antarctic was the star of this, winning the Goff's Lacken Group 3. He was drawn low and stole two. I thought Ryan kept things very simple on a mark. And I would be very, very intrigued about your thoughts on this fellow now for Royal Ascot on the back of that. Yeah, I think I'm not entirely sold on him, if I'm being perfectly honest. You could sew a blanket over the first four or five here. The performance, I don't think it was any better than we've already seen from the Antarctic. I don't think he needed to improve to get it. And certainly in racing terms, it was no better than the performance we saw from a Richard Parhe horse at York last week called Great State. He was also a three -year -old sprinter and that was in a listed race. Look, he's obviously got the pedigree to be a top sprinter, hasn't he? There's no doubt about that, but he's just looking a little bit exposed to me now. I'd be surprised if there wasn't something that could improve past him at Royal Ascot. Sam, do you take a better view or are you in agreement with Mark? No, he literally used the words I was going to use as well. So thanks for that, Mark. You've thrown me under the bus yet. No, nothing massively to get me excited really looking at the Antarctic. No, I've got to be honest, if I'm looking at his current entries, he's got here 16 -1 for the Commonwealth Cup. There's a lot ahead in the market there that you'd rather be interested in. For me, the Antarctic is not one for me, unfortunately. I'm inclined to agree with both of you. I came into this season thinking he was being really underestimated for the Commonwealth Cup and that his form with his now retired stable companion Blackbeard looked really, really good. I was dismissive of his comeback run and thought they sent him off odds on that would suggest that they fancied him, but it was heavy ground. He probably just needed it and let's see what he can achieve. I'm not surprised he won this race. It's the fact that he's only just won it that just tempers my enthusiasm going forward with him because I like him an awful lot. But now you're trying to figure out, well, he's gone from 25s for the Commonwealth Cup into 10s in some places. I know he's 16s at the general prize. He's priced up for the king stand as well, which of course his brother won. Is he going to scale the heights of his brother? Maybe. Maybe he's just coming along and this is a big progression. This is a big step forward. You know, Beaton on debut now comes out and wins a Group 3. It's his second Group 3 win as well. So he's taking the right steps forward in that regard. But is he a horse you want to back in a Group 1 at Royal Ascot now? No. No, not in my mind. I don't know, Mark, if you're familiar with, I know you're an expert when it comes to the American Forum, the Australian runner that Ciaran Marr and David Eustace are going to bring up this year, who's currently heading the betting and the entries for the king stand stakes. Like if that horse is half as good as Nature Strip, then good luck. These sprinters will just have to wave a white flag before the race even begins. As long as there isn't a repeat of what happened to the Wesley Ward horse last year. Actually, I shouldn't have mentioned that because Mark was up to his eyeballs on that cool moor horse that day. Oh dear. Moving swiftly along. But Aidan has now run a couple of horses this season that have sprinting aspirations. There was Little Big Bear, who obviously bombed out in the 2000 Guineas. I'd still like to see him go for the 2000 Guineas. I think they're going to go for the Greenlands with him. Aesop's Fables we saw run over the weekend. Wasn't surprised that Noble Style got beaten. I was a little bit surprised that Aesop's Fables wasn't closer. So you could argue that the Antarctic is clearly a winner, and he's the one who's going to step forward. So he's probably going to be their main wild Ascot horse with hopefully Little Big Bear. But it's just, I don't know. That Commonwealth Cup has a long way to go yet, Mark. It's entirely possible that he will be good enough to go on winners. But something like the king stand, for example, that will be off the table now in my mind. Yeah, he's not going to run in the king stand. He'll run in the Commonwealth Cup. Like you say, there's a little bit of water to go under the bridge there, I think. At this moment, I've been leaning towards Sakia because I thought his run in the Guineas suggested that he be a very, very good sprinter. I don't think he just quite saw it. While you've just been chatting, I was just having a look through Batash's previous performances because I was going back quite a long way. And it's interesting, isn't it, because I had in my mind that Batash, of course, he's a full brother to the Antarctic, isn't he? I had in my mind that Batash was a little bit of a late developer. And he was going back through. It took him quite a long time, didn't it, before he actually got off the mark. Didn't he disgrace himself at Royal Ascot as a juvenile? And they had to gel him after that. Yeah, I think he did, didn't they? They gelded him. Even after they gelded him though, he still ended up getting beaten three times in a row. And then he really began to flourish from the summer of his three -year -old season, I think it was. So just looking at that, what I'm essentially trying to say is there's hope yet, isn't there, that the Antarctic could go on and become a lot better than he's already shown if he follows that sort of similarly late developing path as his full brother Batash? Well, that's interesting, because we're going to have Aidan on in a couple of weeks. And I do remember last year when I was doing one of the many stable tours with him, he made that point that they're obviously never going to gel the Antarctic, as long as he is showing his form. They spent 750 grand on him, and the whole plan is to give him a career at Stud, but that they're very much aware of how difficult Batash was, and that that gives them a great helping hand. And I think they spoke with Charlie Hills about the kind of temperament issues that they had behind the scenes with him, possibly on the day that they were buying the Antarctic, just to get a feel for what kind of personality he is. So that's a really interesting point to make, because his two -year -old career, after he was gelded at three starts, he was okay, but nothing great. And then at steady progression in his three -year -old career, when he racks up a sequence of wins over five furlongs and then becomes the dominant sprinter of his time. I'm not saying that the Antarctic is going to be that fella, but Trish just put something on my screen, which is very interesting. The entries for the Greenlands are closed, and Little Big Bear's not in it, but he is in the Irish 2000 Guineas. They're going to do it.
Native America Calling
"charlie hills" Discussed on Native America Calling
"Get into it? Yeah. We did. We cut the tape with razor blades and you put tape on it and you got to learn how to do it right. And yeah, I mean, the thing about working with real derail that digital is so much more wonderful for is when you were producing whether it was a live radio or you're doing documentaries, you would end up with, I am not kidding like quarter inch pieces of tape that might be the end of a T or part of a K or maybe a breath. And because you might need it somewhere and so you'd have your real the real machine all of these things taped down so you might be able to grab them and use them somewhere. I can't even imagine what kind of challenge it was. So how long were you on this show? How long did living on end of time did it err? I think we ran for 5 years, 5 years, and then I went to NPR. Wow. And I want to ask you all about NPR, but before we do, I mean, other than the music, what were some of the key topics that you featured there on living on an entire? Oh, gosh. We did so many shows. I mean, one thing was fun. I remember doing my first live recording with Floyd, westerman, Charlie hill, I don't know who was speaking, but it would record those, bring those in and edit them. Talk about health conditions. Just today, I'm a journalist. So talking about what the health was for the Native American community or educational projects that were going on. Burial mounds. There was a lot of building going on in the Bay Area. And the Bay Area is alone country. And so there were a lot of aloni graves that were being dug up so that they built these skyscrapers. So whatever the politics was at the moment, we would have it on the air. Okay. And then you were right too. Storytelling. And then, of course, the activism was just really hot at that time in the early 70s. So you were right there at ground zero. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's also why it was so important to learn the craft when the skills of running around with a microphone. And I might add Sean cassette machines at that time, a portable cassette machine weighed about 25 pounds. I'm not kidding. Around with your microphone and your portable cassette machine and go wherever it was, whether there was a protest, or. I'd already been a journalist. So I knew that we needed more to fill in to get to be live to get an interview to have the sound that was going on there. And questions from or comments from native people and non native people. So whatever the thing was, I would be there and gather all that tape and get it together for the show. Peggy, this is just amazing to hear you share the stories. And again, just what radio was like, 50 years ago. And we do have to take a short break, but when we come back, I want to talk to you all about what you did there at NPR and how you made that transition from working at college radio to NPR. But before we do that, we do have to take a break. So anybody listening today, who is inspired right now, listening to Peggy berry hill, share some of her history, some of her stories about working in radio back in the early 1970s. They're at Berkeley and radio station in KPFA. Give us a call. We've got the phone lines open right now. We'll get your comments on the air if you want to ask a question to Peggy. Learn a little bit more about her background. You can do so or maybe you're just a fan of one of her shows. Give us a call. One 809 9 6 two 8 four 8 stay with us. We'll be right back with more to talk about with
Native America Calling
"charlie hills" Discussed on Native America Calling
"Thank you for listening to native America calling. I'm Sean spruce. We're talking to native cannabis advocates and business owners with news and updates on cannabis. If you have any questions or comments, you'd like to make about your community in cannabis, please join our conversation at one 809 9 6 two 8 four 8 or just dial one 809 9 native or swipe it down your touch touchpad there. Touch screen either way, we'll get the call. I producers will get you on the air with your comments. Let's go to our next guest, Gary farmer, who is on location in Vancouver, British Columbia, and Gary, again, thank you for joining us. And tell us more about your cannabis advocacy work, how long have you been working on behalf of the cannabis industry? Well, probably the last year or two, but I've been an active user and purveyor, especially of the hemp in trying to increase hemp farming in North America and beyond were you ever hesitant to talk about your cannabis use publicly? Oh, for sure. There's a huge stigma as you mentioned about the usage of cannabis, but I always, you know, I think Floyd red crow westerman was the one who kind of socialized me to much of what Mary Jane was talking about as a young former, I also backed away from alcohol some 40 years ago and it was a great methodology for me to relax in a world that I was kind of born into an industrial age. So it helped me understand a lot. Now, everybody, especially I think some of our younger listeners will know you as the character uncle brownie on res dogs. I know, you know, this is just the latest character and a long string of classic characters that you've portrayed over the years in service to end in country. And I think what a lot of people get a kick out of with uncle brownie is he's this kind of eccentric pothead and I just gotta ask him, is there some uncle brownie in your own personal life, Gary? Oh, why for sure? It's been an inspired plan for me. And I didn't start till legal age, around 20, 21. And ever since then, I've been a user and purveyor of encourage especially the hemp plant itself because we're in a battle with carbon dioxide in the air and the hemp plant is what the 7th generation can use to bring the earth back to some normalcy in terms of the environment. Now, you talked earlier about alcohol, abstaining from alcohol. You know, a lot of people will make this comparison between alcohol and cannabis and say that they will argue that cannabis is a healthier alternative. It's a more natural alternative. It's a better alternative. Do you feel that way that folks are, would you like to see more folks put away the bottle, put away the alcohol in exchange for cannabis? Do you think that's a healthier profile? Why for sure? I mean, you can see the impact of alcohol. We fought my own people. At the beginning of the invasion, 500 years ago fought, that's how the year on God wiped out they were the first infected because they traded rum for beaver at the time. They wanted to pelt of the beaver and they traded rum for it and that disease the people there and we had to go wipe that out. We thought it was a disease that we could clear, but look at the impact on our community alone. The tragedy, you know, that we've had to face in our homes and lives. Especially growing up today industrial age because a lot of our people were the immigrant as it were. Migrant workers who built the nation and that drug. Alcohol is caused so many social issues that we're still reeling from. Well, Gary, today, of course, four 20 and this is a very significant day for folks users yourself who are advocates for cannabis. And how do you celebrate a day like today? I remember back in the day when it was illegal in so many areas it was kind of this day when people would just publicly go out and in partake. And now in so many areas where it's legal, it doesn't really have that same stigma, it's not you don't risk going to jail anymore. So how about you? I mean, do you make any special note of four 20? Oh, sure. I'll probably write a song today. Based around the day like I wrote from my last CD, I always celebrate along with some of our other comrades like Willie Nelson and the late Floyd red crow westerman and the late Charlie hill and the late John Trudeau. You know, these were all my contemporaries that I truly missed on a day like today. And Willie Nelson, a long time advocate on behalf of cannabis. So when was the last time we talked to Willie? I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. When was the last time you spoke with Willie Nelson? Oh, it's been a lifetime, but my guitar playing friend Derrick Miller went down and recorded some music with Willie a couple of years back. So we maintain a relationship. Right now, you are on set. This new movie coming out resident alien, what can you tell us about it? Well, that's a third season for sci-fi series, actually. It's not a film. It's a long running series. We love making it and it's on the sci-fi network every year. You can catch those. I think there's about 30 episodes out there right now. All righty, resident alien sci-fi series and it's on peacock as well to the third season. Let's go ahead and go to our phones now. We've got Chandra, who is listening on key Lee in pine ridge. Hello chanukah. Hey, both of us. Shawn, let me advocate something real serious. Very farmer. Take my number down, 605-517-2621. And Sean, if you can reiterate my number to him later on the show before closing, I appreciate Gary, I need you to call me. First of all, a lot of the occult of people who are on the primary union reservation do not agree to this cannabis disbursement of creating these little head shots, okay? Now keep in mind people. If the great mystery not that your door and he said, sure, you're in a smoke a bull with me, what your answer is going to be.
Factually! with Adam Conover
"charlie hills" Discussed on Factually! with Adam Conover
"Oneida Probably a lot of you never knew that american indians were stand up comedians. Well we never thought you were too funny. Either you know that showcased so much you now and the end lot of undercurrent there that you can read into so richard pryor charlie hill. Have this close kinship. Yeah i mean when. I was watching charlie hill's work it's in comparison to what you were talking about. With native american representation on television before that is white actors and face paint doing a parody and doing like a narrative that was written by people for white people And the others pandering to that sensibility. He's up there and he's just telling the truth from his own perspective. And he's doing it really bluntly he's saying yeah. I mean our land was stolen from us. Basically that's the premise of a bunch of his jokes book. Right yeah exactly. We had a little real estate problem so to do that to do that. In the seventies right to just say those things bluntly that must have been so profound for people in the book is full of like example. After example of people say i saw charlie hill and they made me. He made me realize that like I could the. I could be a comedian to native people saying this adrian. Did you ever have an experience like that. Watching a there's such a clear version of representation matters. I'm curious if you ever had had one of those moments yourself. yes. I lucky. Because i have. My father is a film buff and a comedy often at a young age. He really started schooling me in comedy. You know both non native and native m one of the first comedians. He's showed me. Was charlie hill and i think he was just so proud of him that he made it too late night. And you know was was was employed and doing these things so so he showed these clips and it put in my brain. Oh cool you know like a it can be done. Of course the clip you show me. What's from the seventies and this wasn't ver- really two thousand was like. Oh isn't there anymore. Okay but we needed update. But like but with charlie hill. Like i i have never personally met him but i have a lot of friends who have and one of them told me that like they performed and he was in the front row taking notes like of their of their Set and then afterwards said oh great job know and just like what what was really supportive like you know dislike so and i think that's why he in in with native people. I feel like we do live in a different world sometimes when it comes to media because like we will have all our famous people that we they're they're famous to us and they're celebrities and if they go to a power they go to a big tribal event they're gonna get swarmed dino with pictures and autographs and all this but then you know the rest of america has no idea who they are so we have a subculture within america. That's it runs. Pretty strong. And with charlie hill. I do know one thing. I did a when i first started doing comedy. I did a new magazine article. Someone interviewed me for a magazine called native peoples and just you know little highlights of some comedians. And the interviewer told me. Yeah i just got off the phone with charlie hill and and told him that i was going to interview you. And he said he can't wait to see you on stage killing it and so for me just the beginning of my career. I was just like way. Charlie hills excited to see me. You know it did. Give me a lot of a lot of hope and support and that's been my experience is mike community has been so good to me like almost like to a fall. Where like i have always said. I will guy will stop telling you these jokes if you guys stop encouraging me because again amazing well we gotta take a quick break. I have so much more to ask you to. We'll be right back with more cliff. Nester off and adrian. 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"charlie hills" Discussed on Factually! with Adam Conover
"Don't wanna hear your side. You know yeah. Yeah i mean. That's this wild wild to me. That i as a former comedy as a sphere of common community of comedy history of comedy. The native comedy is so not well known in the public imagination. You know That like i've been doing comedy as long as you. Have you know about about ten years. That i've been doing stand up and i've also been performing a niches. You know like. I performed for about eight of those ten years. It was based in new york city. You know and most of my jokes were about the subway and amount. I don't know hipsters or whatever it was like shit about br jokes about brooklyn you know what i mean. How is that different from you said and you're doing you're doing jokes tribal organizations etc and then also starting to branch out. I had a question here about like how do you adjust your comedy for a native audience versus broadening it out only hold on a second. That's how is it any different than what i did. When i was doing. New york comedy. I started touring and i had to learn to speak to other people. And why is the place. That i came from the more famous comedy snitch than the comedy. That that you that you Were performing ebb. Yeah no you you you. It is like you know you star in any. And then you want to broaden your audience so you do throw in more mainstream ideas and you go from so it isn't. It isn't any different than you know. If i'm going to go play a show for because i do a lot of role rural i can't say it's still rural shows. Yeah it's hard. Because i do have us an okie in home accent and so it messes up my ours but i do a lot of country type of shows and then i can go this city and just switch to in. We could talk about subways. You know we'll be speaking of history Before we go to break. I wanna make sure that we talk about charlie hill in terms of the such a main character in the book such a towering figure in the book and i really have to show my ignorance. I thought i knew a hell of a lot about stand up comedy. When i was starting comedy. I read a lot and i listened to a lot and i was not. I think i heard the name. But i was not familiar with charlie hill and his importance and i wonder if you guys could similarly enlighten the rest of our listeners about him. Charlie hill was really one of the original comedy store comedians. I think the first time he showed up on the doorstep of the comedy store on the sunset strip was in late. Nineteen seventy four. So that's even before david letterman arrived at the world. Famous comedy store but in terms of what adrian was saying about Erasure documentary on showtime and. Charlie hill is intended. You know really. Yeah so again. Is that thing about fame. Verses significance charlie hill never became a household name despite the fact that he did the richard. Pryor show in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven it really anointed him and established him in the industry and the comedy club. Boom was just starting in seventy seven more and more comical opening up by nine hundred eighty. There's all these comedy clubs by. Nine eighty-five is just crazy. Comedy clubs across. America so charlie hill was well. Poised to start touring all these clubs after he did the richard. Pryor show in seventy seven. Did the tonight show starring johnny carson in nineteen seventy eight. The first native american comedian for on late night. Tv the so far the last native american comedian to do the tonight show or late night. Tell how many did like Late night with david. Letterman and eighty five did the merv griffin show. Mike douglas show. I think he did arsenio in the early nineties so he was a working comedian and a respected comedian and every bit the comedy store from that area. You talked to them. They love charlie hill. He was really funny he was like yeah like i as i was listening to the book i did. I did audio book. Don't blame me. I was. I was on the road. Hey man i'm proud of my audio book. what are you saying. You recorded audio for the audiobook did you. Not didn't you listen to it. I did recognize my voice. I do it. I mean it's just an excellent performance was reading not a lotta authors can read their own books like authors are known for their wonderful speaking voice. Just wonderful job. This is that historian who says cock sucker but it's it's it's a feet of performance do an audience. You gotta sit there for a long. I've done one. It's like hours and hours. Yeah it's sometimes when you read about records like a famous like Album and you find out the context in which it was recorded like there's a famous George clinton song from nine hundred sixty eight called. Hey hey mama or what you're gonna do mama was recorded during the detroit riots and they had the studio barricaded and so when you listen to that song with that context it has this other like level to it this audio book but was recorded not to compare myself to that but this audiobook was recorded at the height of the pandemic and there was a stay at home order. Do not go outside. And they're like except for essential services. Because this is hollywood. Essential services included like podcasts and other bullshits had to go to the studio in in west hollywood to record the audio book and it was like nerve wracking because the studio was run by this old guy and he was sneezing and i was like what is going on. I'm trying to like you know do this audiobook. And there's a director in new york in your ear. And i'm in los angeles and i'm from canada. So he's like hello. You just said sorry taken again at sorry. I can't use your own accident with an audio book. Well because my accent is so subtle when it comes up it just sounds like i'm pronouncing things wrong about british accent. Oh yeah garage but with my accent. You're like guy doesn't know how to pronounce things he's down like you're mocking yourself. Have myself also what i. I was listening to audiobook as i was like. Let me go. Watch a clip of charlie hill. Go watch his first. That richard pryor performance some other ones and like he was so good like he was. Why are people. I love richard prior to you. Know he was doing very daring material at that time. And and you know things that nobody has seen. Before and like charlie hills material was so daring so funny And why is this guy. Not al mount rushmore with all the other folks who are so often up there well again. It can't it has to do with that that american can see of fame versus significance. It's like if you're famous you're in the history books doesn't necessarily mean that you're good just you're famous. We know that from american culture fame doesn't mean quality but it does mean attention and so the history books focus on those who are famous and charlie hill was famous indigenous communities like very famous every indigenous community. Still to this day knows charlie hill and adrian's nodding yes and people stories. Oh yeah. I met him at a conference in two thousand eleven. He was so nice to me or i saw him on. Tv he was my parents favorite. That's why comedy hype. A story came up again and again and again every time. I was researching charlie hill but with white people have never gain traction. But the richard pryor thing. Richard pryor saw charlie hill on stage at the comedy. Store and richard. Pryor felt that charlie hill was doing for native. Americans would richard pryor during for african americans. The first time he saw charlie who perform he came up to him afterwards and he said The.
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"charlie hills" Discussed on The Takeaway
"He's also an extremely brilliant actor and he knows how to hold space for the highs and the lows that the characters are experiencing he was really good at encouraging me early on in the process to play and to improvise with him and to you know if i have a bit to talk it through with him or not or surprised him you know he's just like So good at helping to cultivate an offscreen reporter With me and then michael gray is on the other icon. That i got to work with on the show. He's a university professor. He's you know he. He's extremely Experienced in the world of film and tv and shared so much wisdom with me not only about the history of our people onscreen but also how to like be good at this craft and and that was just like having both of those people sort of at my side championing me and creating space for me as a performer was like i just. I almost don't have words to describe how extraordinarily rewarding it was to perform with them. But now the the question i guess that begs is whether or not it's possible to have a show. That's an all native cast as opposed to having a a white character In the show is it. Is it something that networks have an appetite for right now or streaming services or or yes there is an all native cast a a tv show all native cast and an all native writer's room called reservation dogs. That's coming out this year on fx so there is there is a hunger for it and i think that there is a desire to see native people on screen. I think the mainstream population is good and interested in learning and seeing our stories told. I don't think it's just coming. You know the call is coming from inside the house we are. We want to see our stories very badly. But i really do think that there's a hunger to see new fresh stories on tv right now. Sierra last year we spoke on the show with the joey clift. Who's a member of the cow. Lets indian tribe and he said that when it comes to native representation hollywood that things are slowly moving in the right direction. Your thoughts. yeah. I mean i will say this you know. People are claiming that this is the first you know. Native american sitcom show run by native woman. And that's a huge honor. And i think we all feel so incredibly proud of the show that we've made. I also think the show should not have been the first in two thousand twenty one right. This is a long time coming that that they're we're not the first because we are the best. We are the first because we're the first and that you know twenty thirty years ago. Charlie hill very famous. Native comedian should've had a sitcom the same with roseanne barr dip because he was her contemporary. So i feel like there's this is all a long time coming. I do think though that the current landscape of television nobody knows everyone's trying to figure it out. There's more tv than there's ever been. There's more options for television. I remember watching you know transparent and pose and being like oh my god. This is incredible television and part of me was like maybe maybe wear next. Maybe this is like the momentum that we all are sort of hoping for and that it's happening. I think the the beginning of this process was so overwhelming that i almost was like is. I couldn't believe we were actually getting to do this because so many people had had been trying and so many people had wanted this for so long. Would i think kind of all of our boats knowing sterling show's coming there's marvel show about a date of superhero echo coming bird running and sydney freeland have sold a show called sovereign nbc..
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Stand-up, sketch and satire: The rise of Indigenous comedy
"Charlie Hill was a legend on the stand up comedy circuit. Almost every indigenous comedian will cite hail as their inspiration their motivation and hand aspiration and even though he passed on in two thousand and thirteen the laughter he created. Lives on hill was a member of the oneida nation of Wisconsin Wisconsin. His first network appearance was on the Richard. Pryor show in nineteen seventy four. He was the first indigenous comedian to appear on the tonight show with Johnny Carson and he also appeared on the tonight show with Jay Leno and made multiple appearances on late night with David Letterman. Here's the legendary Charlie Hill. I did this back in L. A. and they didn't quite get it you know they're not used to seeing is in Hollywood. Everybody wants to tables in a circle and they weren't quite sure you know in a in a heckler and I know that she'd never judge a man by the color it was neck or anything like that wouldn't want to hear their prayer Marica. And why don't you go back. We came room so I can't in his living room last week. I was in Washington. DC WE SEEK. Did he show where members of the American Indian Republican Party. Three in the next gentlemen ever met in my life and then coming out here to Canada airport searched and I resent that via need. You were as an alien. You'RE GONNA hijack a plane anyway. Take me to hope. So I'm sitting on the airlines. You know in the middle seat here redneck sitting on each side of me and I'm thinking you I stole my leg ripped up my culture but you're not giving these damn armin don't they. What do you nations? We have tonight on the commentary. Everybody Yawn your your nation. Okay one-two-three antastic. Just thought I heard somebody. I don't even Wanna be that's cool. That's okay we're all welcome here in the circle of humor tonight. Welcome everybody who came but we always CDs. He's one of the power they always WANNA be. So I wrote a commercial called generic they WANNA you tired of being left out in the cold with no native heritage on aware of your Indian roots. Or maybe maybe you have new Indian roots. You'll uncomfortable powwows. Well soon. You be out there singing and dancing with the rest of US thanks to. Yes one spoonful of generic in your native groups are starting to grow back instantly. You'll never appeals spiritually inadequate again taken as direct the generic increases wisdom and stores and makes you one with the universe where we're script in so try today when someone asks you your travel really just say generically you made up what you know. What in your heart art? Gosh inside of action include suicide poverty disease religious persecution and general of land the recorded. That would've picked comedy. Festivals welcomed a Turtle Island showcase in two thousand and five. That was Charlie Hill.