17 Burst results for "Charlie Finley"
ESPN Daily
"charlie finley" Discussed on ESPN Daily
"So Tim it appears that this is not a great experience for the fans But it can't possibly be a much better experience for the players on the field Can you give me a sense of what their season has been like this year? Yeah Israel It's it's interesting because you've worked for this right you've worked to be a major league player Be among the best athletes in the world and then when you reach that pinnacle, this is it This is what you get you get this this downtrodden team you get disgruntled fans you get an ownership group that that is traded away every chance to be competitive and It's got to be disheartening and they're not gonna say this out loud But the best they can hope for on this team that is on pace to lose well over 120 games right now Wow, the best they can hope for is to be good enough to be gone to just have There's a guy Brent Rooker who has had a very undistinguished career to this point who has just torn it up so far this season Well, he's probably gonna get traded I mean that's got to be his motivation in some respect is if I'm good this good at the trade deadline They can't help but trade me because they are looking ahead to see well Brent Rooker might demand more money down the line It's such a dead -end feeling out there among both the players the manager Mark Kotze who will I swear he will go you've been in a lot of these press conferences Israel I've never seen a guy go out of his way to not talk about what happens on the field the way this guy does Yeah talks about washing his truck He talks about about anything besides what he just witnessed on the field and I can't blame him I mean it feels just inevitable right they put this team together to lose It's the major league theory and it's it's definitely at work out there Tim the sewage literally trickles down to every level of the organization I did want to ask you what the players you talked about What they actually said about this situation what they said on the record because they couldn't say hey I want to be good enough to get traded the most common refrain was this is still the big leagues Tony Camp who is a he's kind of the sage in that clubhouse one of the few veteran players Who's had success other places and and I think they keep Tony around because as Jorge Leon said he's an amazing human being He is the guy that tries to to keep these guys Focused on the fact that this is the big leagues You're gonna be playing in Yankee Stadium next week or in a couple months They you do go on the road and play half your games in places where the atmosphere is far different than the Oakland Coliseum There's a lot of talk about that the younger guys talk about Having the focus and playing every day and and taking care of their families and it gets very Sort of granular when you talk to these guys because they don't want to look at this broad big picture because right it's so bleak So Tim it's all seems pretty bleak as we've discussed But wanted to see if there was any reason for hope is there anything else these fans of Oakland can do to try to stop the move well You know they have hope and the hope is sort of based on all these things We've talked about all these false starts that the A's have had throughout their history They were gonna move to San Jose. We're gonna move to Fremont way back in Charlie Finley days They were gonna move to Denver I mean there have been so many of these storms that have passed over this franchise and that this fan base That they do have hope and some of it is a little bit magical thinking maybe You know Joe Lakob who owns the Warriors has expressed an interest in buying the A's in the past There's this thought that Joe Lakob could come back and say yes I took the Warriors out of Oakland, but look at me I'm back to save the A's and he would be as Jorge Leone told me he would be a legend if he did that The problem is the team's not for sale, right? You can't buy something that's not for sale and the fact that Major League Baseball is Fully backing this move to Las Vegas puts another layer of Difficulty in this right because their pride is on the line as well. Rob Manfred's pride is on the line He really wants to get them to Las Vegas So there there is hope that somebody's gonna step in there's been a lot of talk about Local groups that would buy the team if it became available and they have had much more realistic Ideas about where the team should play. Nobody thinks they should stay at the Coliseum Nobody thinks that's a long -term solution however, these other groups do see that site as being viable and So these fans are pinning their hopes on that and it's just hard for them in this sense They're such underdogs to to go against this machine That is Major League Baseball and this team ownership that that I can see where they would get a little discouraged But there are little glimmers out there that the idea that Las Vegas may not be willing to part with all that public money Is another another factor they point to but at this point they are in the hope stage Yeah, and they're hoping they can advance from from hope to actual tangible Targets that they can hope for well as we wrap up here Tim It seems like John Fisher the owner of the A's is holding this team hostage if you will What does it say if anything about the state of sports and baseball as a business? You know Israel that's that's such a good question because I've thought about that a lot in being out there and in this particular Instance the teams have become purely part of a portfolio They are a means to an end and not the end itself So the guy that was the owner 30 40 50 years ago who made his money Invested in a team and became that became his whole thing that doesn't really exist very much anymore Especially with this new breed of owner as is the case with the A's that is just part of his portfolio And everything has become a real estate deal It has become how you can parlay that into something bigger how you can parlay it into a Mall around a stadium in a on a waterfront with housing Units that everywhere by the way The Oakland A's are not willing to abide by the state rules about affordable housing in that waterfront village that they want It's how you can take a team and make it fit your purposes in a broader sense It's always been corporate right, but this is this has elevated it to another level of Using it as a chip to get public money to build something else that you feel is going to be more profitable Than just this baseball team or this football team or this basketball team Well as much as we want it to happen unlike in the film major league it looks like the happy ending might be out of grasp Tim kewan, thank you for all the info. Thanks Israel You I'm Israel Gutierrez. This has been ESPN daily. I'll talk to you tomorrow
The Dan Patrick Show
"charlie finley" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"In 1980, Michael Jordan and the bulls completed the first round of the playoffs against the Cavaliers, with 220 6 points in only 5 games. Jim catfish hunter through a perfect game on this day. In 1968, he also drove in three runs and went against the twins via blue, one of my favorite pictures passed away over the weekend. I think he was 73. And I remember I would deliver papers in the afternoon, the Cincinnati post, and I did it, so I could read the box scores from the West Coast. So I would deliver the papers in my small town, but I'd be able to get those scores and I fell in love with reading the box score a vital blue. I think still the youngest MVP ever, but he was, I think he was like 24 and 8, Cy Young MVP. He had those great Oakland a's uniforms. He threw as hard as anybody in the league. And he had that name vital blue and there's a contract squabble, I think, with Charlie Finley as just about every Oakland a's player faced. He ended up going pitch with the San Francisco Giants, which was still weird to see him in a giants uniform, but when he was with Oakland and they had some great great players. Great teams. But I love the uniform. Love the name. Passed away at the age of 73. Yeah, Paul. You know, we did this last week. This guy's got a Cy Young and MVP. He's got 5 seasons of 18 or more wins, a 6 time all star. It is the Hall of Fame. He was really well known and really populated. They have to layer that in. He's not in the Hall of Fame by the blue. You know. Three times, he was in three World Series, right? I think. For the ace. Yeah.
KCBS All News
"charlie finley" Discussed on KCBS All News
"Close to closing it. And then I get a call at 6 p.m. yesterday. Saying they have a land deal. So I'll allow for you to decide who's at fault. Now she was not mincing words when she talked about the a's not playing fair, although she's willing to listen if the a's came back to the table, but for now it looks like they have a deal to build in Vegas. Now, if you look at the Nevada media, it's not a done deal. It's not all honky Dory. The a still want $500 million in taxpayer dollars to pay for infrastructure improvements, but despite this being an ongoing threat in Oakland that the a's would leave. Oakland is not unique. It just feels like it. And that's why this new book by Andy dowlish and Dave newhouse, the goodbye Oakland, winning wanderlust, and the sports towns fight for survival is so heartbreaking for me as an ace fan and as a taxpayer and someone who just simply loves baseball. You've been down this road before. Yeah, yeah. And this doesn't necessarily mean all hope is lost because everybody sort of feels that way. And they're talking that way. But if I hear Andy correctly, it may not be that way. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's especially striking and your book Andy gives a good sense of this. Because this is a town where people are incredibly passionate about their sports. They're loyal in a way that you just don't see really anywhere else. Maybe you could start us off by talking a little bit about what makes Oakland unique as a sports town. When I first moved here at the end of 1980 when I was hired by the Haas family and incidentally just a number, the Haas family bought the Oakland a's from Charlie Finley, who was taking the team out of town. They were going. They were gone to Denver. I don't think they went. So this comes back in a discussion. And I was amazed. I had never been out here. Like, where did you get this Lake merit? How did you build montclair and Piedmont? What about this Jack London square thing and the water? How beautiful it is that people with real money live in Oakland so they can look at San Francisco. And the theaters, all of the incredible positive nature, Oakland is a gutty, Gritty town. And I say that in the most positive sense, but over time it's had a high level of low self esteem in my view for no good reason. I was absolutely enthusiastic to come here. And the a's had reached a nadir at that time. No season tickets, Holly was only 12 years old at that time, I think. No season tickets, no sponsorships, no radio, no nothing. And in a year later, we created Billy ball and had massive crowds at the coliseum. So what can be done what has been done can be done? You worked with the, well, the Haas family hired you. Correct. And I'm curious as to what makes good ownership. It's really simple, ladies and gentlemen, teamwork, leadership and trust. If you take those three elements and it doesn't have to just be sports, it could be any area of business. And if you analyze Oakland over the last few years, they don't have all three, not even close. And that needs to be team ownership, the league, the business community, the fans, the media community, what you need is a commitment and the hostages had it. We are private owners. These teams are all owned privately, but we believe you, the fans, own it with your hearts, minds, and souls. And that's what Walter Haas Wally has and Roy eisenhardt basically infused in all of us, and it made literally an overnight difference. What I've always looked at is sports teams, especially the coliseum, they represent the town square of the community, where people of every part can get together and not care who they are and love their team. They might have a difference of opinion if another team is sitting next to them. But that town square aspect is what quality owners understand and what those that are just looking to increase their net asset appreciation. They don't get it. All right, well, a lot more to dig into in this conversation. Real quick for anybody just joining us. This is kcbs and depth. I'm Keith manconi, joined by KCB S anchor Holly Kwan. Today with the a's apparently headed for the door out of Oakland. We're trying to make sense of it all with Bay Area sports insider Andy dolis, who just co wrote a new book called goodbye Oakland, winning wanderlust and a sports town's fight for survival. And it has been a long fight spanning the decades really, this is just the latest chapter. Whether we're talking about the Raiders, there was a going and a coming and a going in and coming or whether we're talking about the warriors, this is a story that has had many chapters to it, and part of why you say that Oakland and other people have said that Oakland is one of the most disrespected sports town towns in the country. To help us understand what's happening now, you're somebody with such a deep insight as somebody who's worked in the front office at so many sports organizations around the Bay Area. To help us understand what's happening now. Maybe you could shed some insight on the history that we're coming from. Where would you point us in terms of the history of Bay Area sports to understand the course that Oakland has been treading? Well, first of all, a lot of people don't understand the Bay Area. They live in their little communities, you know, where is Marin county, right? When people first come here or the new weather person goes and the temperature in San Rafael is 82°, where is the Silicon Valley? It's a big place. This has so much strength
Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"charlie finley" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"A host of promotions and stunts that included a mule mascot and a zoo with goats and sheep. He built what he called the KC pennant porch in right field. The dimensions of which matched those at Yankee Stadium, just 296 feet from home plate, American League officials forced him to move the fences back, so he ordered the fence to be rebuilt the prescribed minimum of 325 feet after which it was renamed the one half pennant porch. Finley moved the a's to Oakland in 1968, and the ballpark waited a year before the expansion royals arrived. They played their first four seasons at municipal stadium before moving into what's now called Kaufmann stadium in 1973. Municipal stadium was demolished in 1976 on May 6th, 2022 community leaders, including our friend bob Kendrick, gathered to dedicate monarch Plaza at what was once the ballpark's entrance. Go there, remember buck O'Neill, satchel page, the expansion royals, the kcas and all of it, and imagined municipal stadium, which is this week's forgotten field. All right, I got a couple follow ups for you. One, I didn't know until I read your entry that you sent ahead that The Beatles had played there and it reminded me that last week we had Taylor and hambo talking down the accomplishments of The Beatles like they were some minor figures in history. God, I want your perspective on this. Buster, I have a very controversial perspective on The Beatles for Beatles lovers, but I'm just gonna put it out here. The Beatles are incredibly consequential. They change the world, but I'm a little tired of them. I've been hearing them since I was born. My parents had, you know, all these beetles albums in the house, which was awesome, but after all of these years, I've reached the saturation point. So I'm kind of done with The Beatles, but I respect the history and there's no denying the fact that they change the world. Is that a reasonable take or am I? I'm not gonna give Taylor an opportunity to follow up on that. Very reasonable die. Nope, we're not gonna let you do it this week. More importantly for it, fans of the athletics. You gotta keep the green and gold, right? We talked about that on the podcast last week. You gotta keep that when they move to Vegas. In some form or fashion, yes, lean hard into the green and gold. They own it, you look at the palette of Major League Baseball. There is no other team. Buster. That has green as their dominant color. I mean, they own this. They have owned it. They have owned it for 60 some odd years, whatever it is, 60 years now. Go for it. And maybe call it, you know, it looks like a blackjack felt or something. Right, let's get to this week's quiz. Well, you threw me a fat fastball right down the middle at about 80 miles an hour. So here's this week's question. When a's owner Charlie Finley designated his team's green and gold colors, what did he officially call the club's golden hue? Was it a California gold? Be home run goal, see Grand Slam gold or D Fort Knox gold. Charlie Finley officially called the a's gold a California gold home run gold Grand Slam gold or Fort Knox gold. You know, since I won last week and I'll stand on that pedal stool for the moment. I'm going to go and I don't know the answer, but I'm going to make an educated guess. I'm not going to tell you why because I don't want to give Sarah and Taylor in advantage. I'm going to go with D, four knots gold. Sarah? I'm either going to go Grand Slam gold because it's an alliteration or California gold because of history. So I think I'm California gold. Taylor? I also want to go Fort Knox gold because I feel like Fort Knox gold was a thing that people were like obsessed with back in the day. It's not like a current day reference. So I will also go Fort Knox gold. All right, and here's my logic now that those guys have locked in their answers is that Charlie Finley as you know is from the Midwest and maybe that was more of a thing for him. What do you got, Todd? We're in buster. It is Fort Knox gold. Yeah, Fort Knox gold and this is before they moved to California. So but California gold, the gold rush. That's a good show. It makes sense. It does make sense, potentially. And you'll also be happy to know that it was just plain old Kelly green at one time. It was sea foam green, but the white collar, these clean white uniforms that they occasionally wore. Were at various times wedding gown white and polar bear white. The guy had a knack for promotional stuff. Let's face it. Well, there's no doubt about that. He was the guy who suggested change in color of the baseball, as you know, Todd. You know, for it to have it to stand out more. All right, thanks for doing this. And we'll talk to you next week. All right, guys. Thanks. Bleacher tweets, already
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"charlie finley" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Yeah, Yuri, I've seen him, I got CM pitch, I think, three times total over the last two years, and each time I watched him, I was blown away. I mean, when you walk in, he's 19 years old. He doesn't turn 20 until I think April 15th, I believe it's his birthday. And he was solid and double-A last year. He's 6 8, 220 pounds, one of the few guys who I've seen who when standing next to saint Alcantara makes sandy Alcantara looks small. And he has a similar repertoire to sandy. He has fastball hits the upper 90s. He has a change up that I believe I saw once the sky reports yeah, I believe it was like a 50 or 60% swing in this right with the change up last year pitching all the entire season in double-A. He has a slider that he's working on that he's trying to tighten up a little bit and he has a curveball and he has a curve ball that's been a good breaking pitch for him as well. So he has a four pitch mix. He's not even 20 years old yet and he's looking like he'll get to the big league at some point this year. He wants to be in the big leagues for opening day. I just with the way that they're with the options they have in terms of their starting pitching, I don't see that happening, but I feel like at some point down the road this season we're going to see Yuri Perez make his debut. And yeah, he's from the way the way I best like describing sandy Alcantara when I talked with him the other day and asked him what it's like watching Yuri a 19. Sandy goes, I was nowhere near this level when I was 19. I was in high a, I was a decent prospect. I was throwing hard, but I wasn't throwing like that. I wasn't throwing the way that he's doing it. I wasn't as mature with understanding my pitch mix and what I need to do with which batters at which time as Yuri is now. And then now with Yuri basically being understanding and saying to take him under his weighing, you're seeing the dynamic of Yuri now understanding what he has to do between starts to be ready and be more mature on that front to be ready to go when his name is called. So to wrap up, what would constitute a successful season for the Marlins in 2023 at the peak league level and beyond? I would say for 2023 and it's going back to what they've been trying to say every year and they've been unsuccessful either they need to be competitive. I don't necessarily think they need to make the playoffs this year. I feel like they need to be in the hunt because I mean you look at this the division. They could get 85 wins have their first winning record in a full season and goodness knows how long and still finished fourth because of just how stack the mets, the Phillies and the braves are. But if they're able to be in that 500 cups cost hopefully above it and say, look, we're here and with the way the roster set up basically every main guy they have, whether it's guys who they have been working with for years or guys they acquired this off season. Basically all of their main guys are under control beyond this year. So if they're able to show what they're able to do this year and be in the fight and then continue the build on the group that they've already assembled, that basically gives them that stepping stone that they were hoping to have earlier in the brute Sherman ownership era and finally show the optimism whether it happens that's obviously still to be determined, whether jazz worked on center helps and that helps them, that's to be determined, but they have the pieces there. If a few things, if a few dominoes fall in their direction, they have the potential to finally start turning the corner. It's just a matter of turning that potential into the actual results. Well, you can find out whether they succeed in doing that by following Jordan's coverage all season long at the Miami Herald. You can also find George McPherson on Twitter at J McPherson 1126. Jordan, thanks again. Thanks so much, Ben. Thanks so much, Meg, always great chatting with you both. All right, I'm going to give you a pass blast here. It's just me. We recorded early this week, so we didn't yet have the past blast from our past past consultant when I was recording with Meg. This past blast comes from 1971 and from David Lewis and architectural historian and baseball researcher based in Boston and we're back to the late eccentric X a's owner Charlie Finley. This time, David writes, Finley is arguing balls and strikes. He's moved on from gold bases at this point. In 1971, Charlie Finley once again brought a proposed rule change to Major League Baseball on March 16th, 1971, Finley's Oakland a's played Cleveland in a spring training game featuring the experimental rule, a count with three balls and three strikes. The plan clearly did not go well as a UPI article reporting on the story ran with the headline, baseball's experiment doomed for oblivion, Finley hoped that the new count would speed the game up, but in practice the rule had the exact opposite effect, leading to an increased number of walks in what was referred to as tedious games of pitch and catch. During the trial run, the two teams produced 23 total walks in a game one ten to 7 by Cleveland as another failed attempt at baseball's long history of trying to speed up the game thinly abandoned this idea shortly thereafter. We get this sort of question or suggestion sometimes too, just changing the number of balls or strikes. And there might be better ways you could do it. But I prefer to try to fix things within the current system of four balls and three strikes in finlay, of course, supported a pitch clock too, so he was ahead of his time in trying to speed things along. Also, I have a second pass blast for you here. This is one I came up with and really I probably should have done it in episode 1970, but it's still applies to 1971. One of the members of our Facebook group recently posted a thread and said the MLB logo before the 1969 batter logo that is still in use today.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"charlie finley" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Some size at the end, just like at the beginning. So part of the reason why I think they're fan base is in the mood that it is in, is that they got promised a lot. They got a lot of talk about multiple championships. They got a lot of talk about how the White Sox basically sold 2016, 2017. At least bet at the time, we had not seen a team that had like two friendly rotation starters locked up on a really team friendly deals and even at the time had a meeting it was a big trade asset. We had not seen the team that had that level of core in place with that level of value stripped out. And so this was supposed to be this big rebuild that set them up for good for the long term. They're going to be a dynasty the way the Astros have become where they're annually in the playoffs regularly and you could have a 5 to 6 to 7 to 8 year competitive window where they have multiple World Series appearances in there. So I don't think there's really any way they can match up with the level of expectations they set. I think any reasonable standard would just be winning the Yale central getting back to playoffs winning a playoff series being relevant in the late playoff discussion. All I think would be a reasonable successor seems certainly given what was actually put into this off season, which was more two real major additions, one, which is now Paris fraught around the core that that's probably a reasonable expectation for them if everything goes right. I don't really think that given what they've sacrificed for this to be the competitive window given the fact that kind of abundant three years and hyped us up as a time where they'd be annual contenders. I don't think just when he had division is really going to satiate their fans because they were promised a lot more, but I think just looking at this rasa day and what they have, I think that if they won the AL central, they won 93 plus games. I would certainly write that Pedro go folded a really good job with what he had. And it'd be hard for me to give another F to the front office if the pieces they put together delivered that. It's hard to win the divisions. I would know because I covered the White Sox now. They haven't won that many. So I think that's what a success is. I think when he a playoff series, they haven't won one since 2005. Even if they just get flattened in the LCS by an Astros or a Yankees team that I think is a tier above them, I think that'd be a successful year. But theoretically given that they were 81 and 81 last year and really bad that maybe even worse from a run differential perspective, even just add winning 90 games and being a wild card team or just being in the hunt all season long and just looking better, but obviously better, but there's this gulf between what they say to their expectations where and what I think is actually reasonable to expect from the group that they've assembled, which is a lot more just, you know, win a bad division. I think that'd be a good year for them. Right, well, we will see if going to summer school can help the White Sox salvage their GPA. You can read about their studies, I'll see you some lung at the athletic, and you can find James on Twitter at JR vegan, James, thanks, as always. I thought this had to end with me doing a prediction is that sometimes last year. Yeah, we've scrapped it. But if you've got one holstered and ready to go, I don't want to waste your time. If I'm out, I don't have to be wedded to some prediction. I would definitely not do more than what's required me. I will take, I will give a sea level performance where I do nothing above. What is it? Perfect. Okay, we will conclude with the past blast, which comes to us from 1970 and from David Lewis and architectural historian and baseball researcher based in Boston. David writes, 1970, Finley covers his bases. In 1970, ever eccentric athletics owner Charlie Finley was, as UPA put it, at it again. In an effort to liven up opening day in Oakland, Finley requested and received permission from baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn to use bases painted a bright gold on a one game trial basis. The experiment called for first second and third base but not home plate to be painted, finlay was quoted as saying it should make players want to reach base more often. Which is an interesting hypothesis. Should it? The fact that the bases are painted gold is the idea here that we will fool the players into thinking that they're golden that they get to take the bases back with them. I don't know that it would make them want to reach base more often, but I guess it's pretty to look at. Continuing here, adding to the opening day spectacle, a's pitcher Jim mudcat grant was tapped to sing the national anthem, reportedly the first active player to do so. Finley evidently liked the experiment enough that he suggested colored bases as a permanent rule change at the 1970 winter meetings in December. This suggestion, along with a proposal to add a 22nd pitch clock, was ultimately rejected by the playing rules committee. So finlay, he was et cetera is a good word for it. He was ahead of his time in some ways, and he was a showman and promoter and he liked some sideshow elements and he liked colors, colorful uniforms, colored bases, colored balls, right? Orange colored baseballs. Initiative, but colored bases. I don't know. I mean, it's similar to today where we're talking about a change to the bases and an actual pitch clock. So finlay would probably be pleased about that, but I guess you would be disappointed that the bigger bases are still just plain old boring white and not break gold. Yeah, I mean. Wow, wow, could have had an even better photo up. Short air in Arizona earlier this week if the basis were not only bigger, but bright gold. Gold. You know? Championship bases. It's like when it's like when a club wins the World Series and then their numbers get to have the gold outlining, you know? Yeah. Maybe someday. Maybe someday. All right, that will do it for today and for this week. Thanks as always for listening. RIP to Tim mccarver, who died on Thursday at age 81, 21 year playing career, two time all star, two
Bloomberg Radio New York
"charlie finley" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
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This is the Bloomberg business of sports show will be explored to make money issues at the world of sports on Michael Barr. I'm scarlet fu. And we are speaking with Oakland athletics president Dave Cavill talking about the team and we're going to answer that long age mystery. Dave, is it the athletics or is it the ace? Well, I've always liked the a's. I think that's a fun nickname. I think that's something that obviously Charlie Finley is in the 70s process of club that there's something about that iconic hat and seeing that and so I've always kind of got that direction, but some people like the athletics, so we have a couple different options for folks. The other question that wasn't, this is a little more serious here, is the Senate committee is targeting MLB antitrust exemption, a bipartisan group of senators, and they're talking about the salaries for minor leaguers. Your thoughts about it, first of all, about minor league players trying to get their fair share of getting paid and this committee about the MLB and to trust exemption. Well, I mean, obviously, we take all the actions and work of these government panels very seriously and I know the lead office and all the folks there are spending time educating all the key stakeholders on the current state of affairs and the industry, the majors, the miners, how it affects our business. And I know that's been a really positive conversation. And I think that's going to continue. And I think it will shape the discussion around some of these meetings and hopefully the outcomes that are created can be positive and maybe better reflects like the current environment that we're in. The MLB took over operations of the minor leagues before the 2021 season. They made a lot of big changes. Can you talk a little bit about what the Oakland a's has done with its minor league team in terms of improving conditions for minor league players? Yeah, so I mean, obviously coming out of the pandemic, I think one of the key focuses with just getting back operating, figuring out which locations because it kind of was a musical chairs every couple of years in the past. You didn't know where your affiliate was going to be. It might be in Texas. It might be in Michigan. It might be in Ohio. And so we've kind of brought a little more stability to that. There's also been a huge investment in facilities to ensure that the facilities are considerably better for the players. So I think those are important steps that have occurred as part of this transition. And that's all going to be important to make sure that we have the best environment for training for the players. And also a good environment for fans in these communities to watch the game. I mean, that's the other thing too. In the minor leagues often kind of entree point for fans into baseball, especially in some of these rural communities. You brought up fans. The a's they do have a loyal fan base, but unfortunately you have low attendance. We're talking about 8400 average per game. How do you get more butts in the seats? Well, we fundamentally need to do facility. Our current Oakland Alameda coliseum is ten years past its useful life. It's not competitive with the other professional sports venues in the Bay Area or even in the country. And we need to do what we can and we're spending millions of dollars a month. We're working on these parallel paths to determine if we can either get our waterfront ballpark in Oakland built or an option in Las Vegas. And that is really the prime focus of the organization. Now it's solving that really 20 year question of where the aids are going to be because we need to get in a new home so we can have a great experience for our fans for a bigger payroll and more competitive play on the field. Will your fanbase follow you along to wherever you end up? We have fans all over the country. One thing Facebook did a study of fans in different counties and things of that nature. And ace fans was like the number two in like so many parts of the country. So you would go to like Phoenix and like the top would be the Diamondbacks and then two would be the a's. So there's a little bit of a Diaspora of ace fans around the country, which I think plays well to like if we have a new facility there in Oakland or Las Vegas. People can come back and say, hey, that's somewhere I want to come and watch that or I want to watch it on television. And so I think there's kind of a sleeping giant out there if we can continue to find a way to have a new facility to be more competitive, obviously over the last 5 years has been in the playoffs. For those years. So we've had success on the diamond, but we need to Nash that up with a great fan experience in the stadium gym. Do you think they're more ace fans outside of Oakland, the east Bay Area than there are inside? I think they're actually are. Yeah, because this area, I've lived here 30 years in the Bay Area. It's been very transient over the last generation. People have moved in and out. A lot of the people who grew up here like in the 80s and followed McGuire and canseco and those players have moved somewhere else. And so those are the kernels of fans and other locations. And they watch us on television or listen on age cats on the radio. And so we want to create and foster that connection and build it through those fans that are kind of in other places. Stand by, we have more coming up with Dave Cavill president of the Oakland athletics, whichever you prefer, we'll talk more about the team and we're going to talk more about all
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"charlie finley" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
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Global news 24 hours a day on air and on Bloomberg quicktake powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. I'm Susanna Palmer. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg business of sports from Bloomberg radio. This is the Bloomberg business of sports show will be explored the big money issues in the world of sports, Michael Barr. I'm scarlet fu. And we are speaking with Oakland athletics president Dave Cavill talking about the team and we're going to answer that long age mystery. Dave, is it the athletics or is it the ace? Well, I've always liked the a's. I think that's a fun nickname. I think that's something that obviously Charlie Finley is in the 70s brought to the club that there's something about that iconic hat and seeing that and so I've always kind of got that direction, but some people like the athletics, so we have a couple of different options for folks. The other question that wasn't, this is a little more serious here, is the Senate committee is targeting MLB antitrust exemption, a bipartisan group of senators, and they're talking about the salaries for minor leaguers. Your thoughts about it, first of all, about minor league players trying to get their fair share of getting paid and this committee about the MLB and to trust exemption. Well, I mean, obviously, we take all the actions and work of these government panels very seriously and I know the lead office and all the folks there are spending time educating all the key stakeholders on the current state of affairs and the industry, the majors, the miners, how it affects our business. And I know that's been a really positive conversation. And I think that's going to continue. And I think it will shape the discussion around some of these meetings and hopefully the outcomes that are created can be positive and maybe better reflects like the current environment that we're in. The MLB took over operations of the minor leagues before the 2021 season. They made a lot of big changes. Can you talk a little bit about what the Oakland a's has done with its minor league team in terms of improving conditions for minor league players? Yeah, so I mean, obviously coming out of the pandemic, I think one of the key focuses with just getting back operating, figuring out which locations because it kind of was a musical chairs every couple of years in the past. You didn't know where your affiliate was going to be. It might be in Texas. It might be in Michigan. It might be in Ohio. And so we've kind of brought a little more stability to that. There's also been a huge investment in facilities to ensure that the facilities are considerably better for the players. So I think those are important steps that have occurred as part of this transition. And that's all going to be important to make sure that we have the best environment for training for the players. And also a good environment for fans in these communities to watch the game. I mean, that's the other thing too. In the minor leagues often kind of entree point for fans into baseball, especially in some of these rural communities. You brought up fans, and the a's they do have a loyal fan base, but unfortunately you have low attendance. We're talking about 8400 average per game. How do you get more butts in the seats? Well, we fundamentally need to do facility. Our current Oakland Alameda coliseum is ten years past as useful life. It's not competitive with the other professional sports venues in the Bay Area or even in the country. And we need to do what we can and we're spending millions of dollars a month. We're working on these parallel paths to determine if we can either get our waterfront ballpark in Oakland built or an option in Las Vegas. And that is really the prime focus of the organization. Now it's solving that really 20 year question of where the aids are going to be because we need to get in a new home so we can have a great experience for our fans for a bigger payroll and more competitive play on the field. Will your fan base follow you along to wherever you end up? We have fans all over the country. One thing Facebook did a study of like fans and different counties and things of that nature.
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"charlie finley" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Hever low etcetera provided blue, who was one of the last the last great star of Jose's team that we're still working for. Charlie O Finley. He wanted to get out of there. When I spoke to spoke to buy the blue for the book, You contrast it. Working for Finley and pitching for Bob Lourie. Legislative Pity for Bob Laurie was a much better experience for the grade that the greater the cell phone when he comes over, Jack Clark. You know, Go ahead. As we said, You can't forget the 350,000. They went to Charlie Finley, too. That's right, but it was worth it. It was worth it to get to get vital Blue. Jack Clark, Darrell Evans. Mike idea outside of the hitting stars of that team, feel mad luck and moved over to second base and, of course, willing to Coby has a bit of an off year. But was the connection to the past and beginning to root the Giants no longer history in San Francisco he'd signed as a free agent before the 77th season after brief, so Jordan with the Padres and NBA's for a few weeks. So here it is 78. It's a great pennant race. The Giants falter towards the end of it, and then baseball kind of stagnates a little bit until we get to 82. Here comes Joe Morgan's kind of the last day of the season to sort of leave a good taste in everyone's mouth for 82. But it's Bob Lourie. Now he's a sole owner. But herself is gone. And now it's 1982. And here we are still at Candlestick. That's right and already by 80 by the early eighties, there these stories every year in the off season. On the one hand, will the Giants trade for this person or signed that free agent once free agency takes root, But also where are they going to play? This talk about domain Candlestick Park, which would have been terrible and expensive idea. The constant struggle to find a new stadium and in the middle of this veteran team in 82 contracted with the younger team in 78, led by manager Frank Robinson. It's it's still the penetrates on the last weekend of the season. They get knocked out by the Dodgers on Friday night, And on Sunday, Joe Morgan hits a big three run home run to put the Giants ahead and to knock the Dodgers out of the race, and the significance of that is that between 19 I mean, after they went to the playoffs in 71, we're back in 87. But for that interim years, they never This was a highlight, knocking the Dodgers out of the playoffs. And it was almost like getting to the playoffs ourselves. And I'd like to show that you every chance to watch the video on YouTube. It ends with a great shot of Tommy Lasorda, just with his hands, his head in his hand and despair, no giant fan already any giant. They will enjoy that. It's a great great book, honestly, remembrance of what was going on during that period of time. So they say starts in 76. It goes to 92. So much happened. The Giants and their city. Lincoln Mitchell is the author. Major League Baseball in San Francisco. 76 to 92. Alright, so 82 ends and now we go through sort of the barren period one more time. Until the new general manager manager comes in. That's right. The Giants needed and had too much step because it was very sick, Depressing, but 83 80 45 or the worst years since before John McGraw was hot with work, it was managing The New York Times. You go back. The early not very, very early part of the 20th century, and the team is just terrible veterans who are have left their best years in another city prospects really aren't prospects and in the late 85 Laurie has had enough fires them at fired the general manager and he brings in Al Rosen, who had always wanted he told me to come. He thought he was the right guy. Roses available. He comes in. Rosen fires the manager and brings in Roger Craig and those to begin to turn the team around, not least with the attitude. Spring training of 86 early late 85. Thanks to anybody six. They bring the team together and say We're not complaining about Candlestick Park anymore. We're going to make this our biggest strength, which, of course, it always could have been their biggest strength because business players hated coming to campus department. They bring a winning attitude, and they bring in a in a smart, too smart baseball minds and they also 1986. They have a rookie first space, and they've got no production at a first or second base in 18 45. At 86 Opening day. Will Clark is the lineup leading off and playing first base Will Clark is probably the best giant player of this period, and Robbie Thomas was playing second they opened up in the Houston Master Dome. Not known, has a hitter's ballpark. And will Clark leads off the season with a home run up Nolan Ryan, and that was a real statement, and from that point on joint to that some bad teams, but they've never been a laughing stock they way they were in the 83 to 85 or the 75 76 period. That really set the tone and it moves them in a much more positive direction. Well, they make the playoffs in 87 a tough loss to the Cardinals of for the pennant 89. Of course, they end up winning the pennant and go to the World Series, and now we've got the earthquake. But sort of along that way. Bob Blurry is still trying to get a new stadium and can't get it done, which is sort of what's going to happen over the next three years. With Bob Lourie, so just touch on that briefly because it's part of the history of the San Francisco Ball Club. That's right. And there really to inter touring strands here One is trying to find a permanent home. But the second story the team on the field. They go to the voters in 87 in San Francisco, which an initiative to build a ballpark in the kind of Potrero Hill area. And and It's also coincides with the mayor's race, which in which the kind of progressive Democrat are Agnos, It doesn't isn't for the ballpark. He thinks it's the wrong location. It's kind of not whether progressive politics are He wins and with him brings down the ballpark initiative, so the ballpark loses. They don't get that. But now Agnos is the mayor, and he can't be the mayor who loses a giant so he wants the new ballpark and in 89, they put a package together. I don't know if you if you were listening to know that the geography San Francisco they had the crazy idea of putting a ballpark essentially a third in King Street, which is exactly where the ball park is now. So they have this idea. They talked about the home runs a splash hits all of that. As a kind of looking at this site again. They put it on the ballot. This time, of course, the mayor mayor diagnosis behind it and supporting it. But it was a very, very close election and many people, including about blurry, and Cori Bush, who I talked about talking exactly through this book, both those guys said. You know, we would have won, if not for the earthquake, which really got people hesitate again, and they were at the anti ballpark. People were able to make an argument. You know, we can't build a ballpark when people we have to help people, even those different tools of money. Now, of course, we have no way of knowing if that's true, That's certainly Lot of people around. The Giants believe that and after that Laurie kind of throws up his hands and spend the next few years really particular after losing the World Series, the sense of even though it's a very good team, it feels like the moment has gone and he begins to explore moving down the peninsula. But that doesn't work out either because the voters there reject the initiatives, and that's how you get to 92 when they're almost out the door to town. Well, we'll stop there. We know we know they're here and we know Peter McAllen and the number of people Larry Bear put the coalition together to save the team. And then we know what happens after that, But The book is the Giants in their city. Obviously, Lincoln has a great passion for this period of time and Lincoln..
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"charlie finley" Discussed on KGO 810
"Beyond. We have the best fans in baseball, your passion. What would stop right there? We have the best fans in baseball, but We're gonna screw you over if you don't give us a billion dollars Or plus. Mean stadiums these days are extremely expensive. Especially going to go high end phone numbers. 80 88 10. I mean, what's your initial reaction here in this? Um, it's me, it's it's It's everything we hate about big business. Two a map. Hey, Matt, you're on KGO. Thanks for the call. Hey, chip, interesting in colorful topic here regarding the open days. I had an idea. And, uh, I hope you don't get Mad at me, but I was just wondering if if if the Oakland A's can't get this Howard Terminal ballpark, I was just wondering tend to Oakland, A's Shera. Uh, Pacbell Park where the where the where the Giants play. No, the child would you wouldn't if your neighbor said, you know, I'm thinking of selling my house from I live with you. What would you say? Well, I guess I'd have a cow. Yeah, thanks for the call. Matt. That's not gonna happen. That'll never happen. They're not gonna play there. Well, here's what's gonna happen is they're gonna They're gonna go. We're gonna lose the Oakland Athletics. Have no idea where they're gonna go. Maybe they're gonna go to Vegas. You know, I mean, you know, my son told me that here they want a baseball team. You know, Look, Oakland is I'd like Oakland. I mean, there's some Great parts of Oakland. Yeah, there's some tough part's tough parts of San Francisco. Um, yeah. I mean, I'll tell you how tough it is. I mean, why don't you think we have Levi Stadium appear. Money of the deal. You know, it should have been up here. It shouldn't be in another city. Who was it? The San Jose Giants. The 40. Niners. Saffron getting all mixed up. Let's go to Glenn, who was originally from Oakland. Where you from now, Glyn, where you called me from? I'm calling from Tracy now rich my hometown in Chicago, but I lived in open for 35 years and I saw the transition and Oakland Oakland is a blue collar. Middle income town and the owners of their teams going all the way back to Charlie Finley and even L. Davis. Well, not billionaires like the owners of these teams now, so when the demographics changed in open when they closed down all the military bases and everything, the tax structure and everything's completely changed in Oakland. And they can't support a professional team. Now it's just economically Libby Shaft and the City Council. They have so many different priorities going on right now that the city and the county no way they're going to support it. And so maybe Major League baseball the same well You know, if you know, and I agree with you. I believe that Major League Baseball should build a new stadium, but they're not. That's just the bottom line. They're they're not gonna build it. And if they do on their own dime, Yeah, they're not going to spend their money because they can extort another city to get it. Exactly, Uh, Las Vegas. Just like the race. The greatest went to Las Vegas. Las Vegas. Is that type of money? I mean, a couple billion dollars in Vegas is nothing. Build a new stadium. I mean, there's nothing to the casino because that's exactly what they did with the Raiders. The casinos came up with the money for that stadium. And it didn't cost the taxpayers a dive. Well, you and I both know when you hear what the line is for game, it's not just people predicting who's gonna win. It's all about gambling. Me gambling and professional football are like, you know, um Donny and Marie. I mean, you know, they are inseparable, all professional sports like that now, But I'm saying more than others. I mean baseball's kind of hard to bet on hockey's, you know, over under. Yeah, put balls a million parlay bets. It is the perfect sport to bet on because he got one game a week and it's all it's built up to us. And there's like, you know something Saturday and Sunday. Monday night. And now Thursday. There's games all during the week. You know the draft kings sing and you know I'm all for people being able to bet because stupid people should be able to further money away. However, they want But you're right. The demographics have changed a lot in Oakland, but I still think it's it's a hell of a town and it breaks my heart to see this happen. And, you know, I support Libby Shaft and whatever she decides. Because, you know, look, this is be honest. They built one down. You know, in Alameda, you know, or right on the water. Um, I think we'll do well, but how long for how long? The team is always competitive. You know, and Billy Beane and then they know how to win baseball, but well, we've seen We've seen some games Oracle that haven't been filled when the team had a couple bad years, which kills me when they've already went three world Syria's in seven years. I think six or seven years I just, You know, it breaks my heart. Thanks for the call. Man. I appreciate it may go to Georgia. Murad has got a good point. And George, thanks for the call. Yeah, I think Major League baseball even though I'm a huge giant span, she told the Giants take a hike about the South Bay being their territory. And then the ace could go ahead and move there like they wanted to do about 10 years ago. And people that were ace fans could still go. Watch them play. They could get on. Do you know? I mean, when they say I think they could get on, Barton go all the way down, right? And I think God, have they gotten all the way to San Jose, and it's coming up. No, they haven't. But they will soon be. Yeah, um And you know to me, in fact, you know that was it. That's a big deal in downtown San Jose San Jose. Is trying to grow and do it right. And I think you'd be a great place for Major league franchise And you know what? They do it in New York. I mean, Shea and Yankee Stadium aren't that far apart. And yet maybe they have a few a couple million more people. But if you think about it if you reach from San Jose South You know, you can get people to come all the way up from, you know, on our way down there. It's a great idea, but the idea that they the Giants get to stop them from going. There doesn't seem fair. I'm sure the Giants would disagree. I just don't think they like being the only team did like being the only game in town. But they're doing pretty well as it is good. Good point, man. Thanks to call George Appreciate it. Phone numbers. 80 88 tennis Chip Franklin. We're talking about what's happening in Oakland, where we is story kind of broke today. We're the A said we're looking. We're looking to leave because You know? They won't kiss me on the on the ear and whisper sweet things in my ear to the tunes of billions of dollars of city land so I can make hundreds of billions of dollars. Yeah. Um, it's gonna Thomas San Jose Tom. First time for you and I that right? It's the truth. I can't believe it. Normally, I don't believe with your socialistic ideology. But this time, as you well know, it is not a function of government. To aid private enterprise in this manner. They do it all the time, though they create enterprise zones. You know, they they give tax breaks to, you know, to incentivize you relocation and the and the areas. I mean some of that stuff. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. What is the primary function of government? Well, I think if I had to say it would be to protect the people Protective equipment inside the Constitution says Provide for a common defense. It doesn't say anything about health care. It doesn't say anything about all this other stuff, but you know what? One of the things that One of the things that they put in, just because of that was the ability to amend it and how many were 28? Yeah, that's right. So let's go back to back to there. So you and I both agree that putting it even even if it did help the area grow, which I think it's been already proven to be a ruse. You know, these teams are multi billion dollar organizations. They can afford this matter. The amount of money involved has no bearing on they should be able to pay for themselves if they were absolutely Yeah. I mean, you know, so you probably agree the churches should pay taxes, right? No. Yeah. What the free exercise. That is. Well, what does the Constitution say? It says that's free. Exercise thereof. Three. What does that mean to you? Well, that means I don't have to pay taxes, either. What exercise religion. Are you? The Church of chip?.
KNBR The Sports Leader
"charlie finley" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"I think it's a bang bang play also, and I think it it gives you that aggressive aggressiveness on the bases and his, Ron said the Padres were just blown it up on stolen bases. It's just it's just hard to defend all the time. I mean, captures around their toes. Pitchers have to throw more over. When you have an aggressive team, but one of the questions I want to ask Ron this morning coaching third base less than two outs runner on third. When do you put that contact play on And when is it? Not a good time to do it? Yeah, Bill. Good morning to you. Um, good question. You know it. There's so many factors that are involved. Score the game. The speed of the runner who you have coming up. This really, you know, not a cut and dry time that you do, But I would say the most important thing is you really want to have a guy that has speed that a guy where he could possibly be to play. If you're a slower runner, it's very difficult. To go on contact and expect to be home. Now, a time you might do with a slow runner is maybe it's a tie game. And you know it's the ninth inning and you have 2nd 3rd. And nobody out and you have a slow runner 30 in fields in well, Why not go? The guy at second's gonna come the third. If he's still not at home. You're still gonna have a man on third with West than What with with only one out, so why hold him playing for the two runs special, your home team, and that's the winning run. You might just send him right there. But even on the road, you might take a crack it going on contact because, as you see, sometimes the balls hit You know, I mean, you're breaking assumes you see, contact down. You don't know where the ball's going. Sometimes it's hit up the middle on the shortstop for the second basement, moving up the middle, like like West L a the other day, and they have to diet to catch the ball. The slow guy can score, so it really depends on the scoreboard in the situation and whether you just want to roll the dice on a play like that, But interesting. Hey, we've got the mustache thing going and reminds me back. 1972 with the A's and Charlie Finley. I think someone grew a mustache and probably Ray Fosse's listening to the show this morning. It was either Ray or Rollie Fingers or somebody. Before you knew it, Charlie Finley said. All right, I'll give everyone $250 of the growing mustache and those great days teams of 23 72 3 and four head mustache is Ron Bergman wrote a book called The Mustache Gang. And you kind of have that happening. So it's a bonding experience on a team and you've got a little bit of that going right now. Well, you always have something that comes up during the season where the team wants to do that. You know, when I was with the Pirates in my short stent, we didn't have anything at the major league level. That You know, the guys caught on too. But of course in the minor leagues, Bill will tell you as well. I mean, there's always some wacky thing guys wanna do Remember one of your guys want everybody shaved their heads and like, you know, half the guys, I'm not shaving my head. You know, Half the guys shaved your head after not you know that the easy one is the high socks right? Everybody's wearing the high socks like hunter Pence. You know, 100 wears them above his knee anywhere is about to die. But there's always something on that. Some somebody comes up with, um, to make it fun and make it light. You know, It's like the kangaroo court you've mentioned so many times, Marty, those things go a long way. I mean, we're together on awful lot. There's a lot of that time in this clubhouse when you get here, you know one o'clock in the afternoon for a seven o'clock game. And those things make it fun, Bill. What do you think It's totally right. And there's so many pranksters on every team, and there's so many things that go on, you know, grow the beard when Brian Wilson was around, and, um, it's what it does the run and you know this. It builds the clubhouse. It brings the characters out, and it brings the laughter out and you get relaxed and You get the jar on some people that might not be that way. But you loosen him up, And I think with the mustache thing, it's something to get off a baseball with you. Look, it's later and you look at your strip ski and And now you see talk man grown a beard, who was clean shaven with the Yankees. It it's just brings the team together. And even with the coaches, there's a lot of laughter with it. And I think that's the key to this. So you growing a mustache? Well, Well, I got a little one there. You know, I've had a little one, but never. It's better for a long, long time. I say what? I'm not shaving it off, so they don't have to do that. All right. All right. We'll see what happens. But I'm not sure the look to tell you the truth on your strength, skin, Slater. Maybe we're just not used to it, but it's just kind of look doesn't go for me. What about you, Marty? Did you used to her mustache is in the younger days. Oh, yeah, Absolutely. In fact, if you go on the Internet, there's a whole bunch of pictures. 1969. That's when I first grew up my stash. And those were the days of the member. Those black lights that you'd have. And you know it illuminate everything in a room s so we did that. And I painted on a mustache with the black Linus. Aggie. This looks pretty good. And I kept it probably, you know, 45 years. Yeah, decided, But it is. It's fun. It's It was a fun thing to do with that time, so I'm glad that team is doing it. I'm glad they're doing it. Well, A couple of the things one uh, the play I saw on TV this week and again. That's the way these shifts work. It's amazing that teems with speed..
KNBR The Sports Leader
"charlie finley" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Calm, and we've been running through some of the stupid rules or the fun rules and baseball that we would change up in and we'll get into some more of that just a little bit. But the red hot San Francisco giants behind their starting pitching, and maybe a little bit of concern this weekend is they mix up the rotation heading into San Diego, Kevin Gossman dealing with a groin injury and found out Johnny Cueto is gonna be out for a little bit longer than you to extend his stint on the isle. Some of that's a bit of a concern, but it's also like they're playing so well. We're like one of these guys coming back. We need Plato back, man We need yes, back. That's that's kind of exciting. And I didn't anticipate being there right now. Yeah, his longest Tony discos, throwing every fifth day Coast. I think this giant rotation will be a okay but one thing that Kevin Gausman's Little hamstring strain or injury. Tweet whatever you want to call it that forced him to go from Friday to Sunday in this Padre serious, so no, I Elston. He's just getting two extra days. One thing that that did. Was it guaranteed, the Giants will become the first team since the 1978 Oakland A's to have five starters with a sub 2.50 e R a in the month of April, and you have to have five starters who made at least three starts, and so Dating back to 1913. This is 108 year old stat. The 1978 days and the 20,021 Giants are the only teams with five starters sub 2.50. And that to me is significant because if you remember the 1978 Oakland A's team they finished eight and 37 that year down the stretch. We're absolutely abysmal, somehow fired their manager who was 24 15 and replace them with Jack McKeon. And they just completely fell apart the rest of the way, so I won't look Thing for that age team Thinking all seventies eighties were probably pretty good. Charlie Finley was around. You know, they have some good teams in that era. But apparently I was completely off and they finished 69 93 that year, so I can't exactly put a whole lot of stock in the Giants, matching that historical achievement from the 1978 days teams. I'd also like to throw a little bit of an asterisk on there. I know that the note says. They've got to go at least three starts and Johnny Cueto made three stars before he got injured, but it doesn't leave out that sixth starter. It's not really accounting for for local Web and now he's really just made one really good start. The others were were just sort of, uh, serviceable. I think so. And it sort of ignores the fact that one guy who is a part of the rotation was only skipped one time. Yet. He's not really a part of that note. Ah, guy who who is putting a better numbers this year? Madison Bumgarner. We talked about him, and that's sort of what prompted our our rule. Change discussion. Let me ask you about another rule here. So we talked earlier about should regular season baseball stats be included with postseason stats for your career, and we both agreed that For career numbers. You should get credit for all of those lumped in like if I get you know what if I had 100 career postseason, and when I finished with 2900, I should have 3000 career hits when it's all said and done, That's that's kind of what I'm getting at here. So here's another one that I've always had a funky time with And this is something John Miller has talked about. I think he's probably the one that made me aware of it when I was just a young lad. Listen in tow. Baseball on the radio is a kid. Why is it That was a pitcher wants to appeal a check swing after the home plate umpire says Now the guy didn't go. The picture can ask the first of the third base. Uh, actually to the umpire has to do with the picture can ask the empire to appeal to first or third if I'm the hitter. The guy throws me a ball in the dirt, and it's It's strike three and I check swing. Shouldn't I get an opportunity to appeal? If the home plate umpire Jesse's not you went? Why don't I get to appeal? And instead? It's like the balls in the dirt. I have to either. Like Like go against my own thoughts and try to beat it out to first face or just start walking back to the dugout is if I struck out I've always felt like the hitter should get an opportunity to appeal your thoughts on that, Carrie So turning back the clock copes. My first job in the world was as a high school baseball umpire. I was in high school, I was humping Little league in San Francisco. And so I learned all about the mechanics of umpiring and basically what I was told. This is the home plate umpire that and that's a job that I quickly ascended to was dumping the most important public school games in the city. I buy that coats. But what I will tell you is that as the home plate umpire, you have to be absolutely certain that the hitter makes a swing to make that call because you always have the appeal down to first her down to third at your discretion or at the catcher's discretion because the team has to ask for the appeal. But if you're going to make that call, you have to have 100% certainty. It is like I fair or foul call when you make that so. That is why the hitter doesn't have that liberty to say. Hey, I would like to appeal that call, because in any circumstance, the umpire should have just absolutely no doubt that the hitter went around on a swing like that. Yeah, that logic makes sense to me because actually, what would have to happen is the home plate off. The only time I hit her would be appealing is the home plate umpire has called a strike on you Check swinging and saying yes, you went around and then by appealing to first of the third, one of those empires would then have to take a strike off the board. Which is not something that happens in the kingdom page fall. So all right, Carrie, Since you ascended to being the home plate umpire so quickly here in the ranks of San Francisco High School baseball, I'll allow this one to pass, so we'll get straight into the sound survey. Let's drop the needle.
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"charlie finley" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"To accomplish. What was that. Well in this case we were symbolically trying to And what we felt collectively was up lake on the american music scene. I'd spent several years on the road playing music before i joined the white house and it was very much tongue in cheek. But it literally gave the other side A voice and what we were really trying to do. Is you better than anybody know. We're trying to People in the stands because there's so many nine white sox themselves we're not overly exciting bunch and So when you have a makeup game on. The calendar became a twenty nine double header. I looked out my window told the cops in chicago. We'd be lucky if we have thirty five thousand. But i was betting with thirty five. Well we have thirty five thousand lined up outside the old comiskey park at three o'clock in the afternoon we opened the gates. At four it was a double header. First pitch at five o'clock six o'clock we seal the gates with sixty thousand people inside by seven o'clock there were forty thousand people outside trying to get in so at the end of the night we had one hundred thousand people of course The baseball guys weren't kind. We forfeited the second game after losing the first one to one and the rest is history. That was only the fourth forfeiture in the history of baseball and it made it very difficult for me to find a job. After leaving the white sox. They'll everybody mike about how it came off in what actually happened. That caused the forfeiture and that second game. Well as i'm standing there you know we stick dynamite. The carta lonzo family who'd been very instrumental in helping Dad design and build the exploding scoreboard. We were all friendly so we. Everybody brought a disco album. They got in for ninety eight cents and we collect the disco albums and between games. We put them in a dumpster. Roll it out to center field warning track dynamite and blow up two hundred and fifty feet in the air and it still is. I'm telling you this thirty three years later. The most exciting explosion. I've ever seen at the very top. Two hundred and fifty feet in the air was my career. I'm standing second base. Marveling at this thing thinking boy we're gonna make the cover of rolling stone and all of a sudden we were gonna make it all right but not in the way i had in mind for. People slid down the foul poles. Ten guys jump from the center field bleachers which at oakham issue was a pretty good drop and in four and a half minutes there were ten thousand kids on the field which i attributed to the fact that it was only ten years after woodstock so it was a celebration of sorts and the next day booted kyun fully up to you and i think he was landed. Gentry said no more negative promotions invasive. Dad's reaction to all of this. My only one who was really saying about it. I mean you know jimmy. Pearsall built another year and a half career on yelling from the press box and lease in the old great writer for the sun times Chastise me roundly but the clock in the morning and the old man looked at me and say you know he'll he always called me mcgillicuddy for county. Mac is one hero. He said every once in a while promotion works too well and that was his signal to me that while he was unhappy with the results he understood when you buy the lightning. It happened so rarely. And it's very hard to predict where it's gonna end up and in this case It ended up on my resume. I remember the story. And maybe saw this episode of wjr cincinnati when the station put on this this promotion where they were over a ballgame and they wanted to let people have put let people have money and they tied to the two turkeys and threw them out of a helicopter. While the problem is turkey's don't fly. They all crashed in fact. I've actually i've actually over the years heard something about it. But you know. What's so strange. Ron and and you know it's I don't know how many you know. Some fifteen thousand twelve thousand however many shows you've done and we just just just a real credit to you but over that time one of the things that i remember laughing about About this promotion was the first ten or fifteen years. I was a pariah. I mean. I couldn't get a job except in radio and soccer. Which of course soccer fans love riots. So now it's become kind of warm and fuzzy and part of the you know you were there then and it's really been a strange shift. Almost a hundred and eighty degrees. Yeah i think in this day and age. People are looking for people that think outside the box. I think mike you were just ahead of your time an awful lot before we break here and we've got about two minutes. Tell me a little bit about. What your dad's philosophy was that you then gleamed onto about promotion when it came to sporting events you gotta take a chance you gotta take a chance and you have to do everything that you can to involve the fans and listen to the fans and because he is issue so kindly put an iconic figure people forget that legends death that way because they have lots of failures so when dad buried the nineteen forty eight pennants in cleveland that he won the world championship in nineteen forty nine. They flick a seat him for three days for the tasteless gesture of burying the flag. So you know it depends time place and and tongues how far it's in cheek charlie. Finley was another kind of maverick. Did your dad see himself. As a maverick and i would assume that period period of time that everybody else was not like mr vet. Yeah he you know. The great thing about charlie tailored himself our charles. Oh we we refer to Lovingly he really tailored himself as a maverick not necessarily after after that. I think that sells them short. But they've never really set out. Dad loves to annoy the establishment. And that was really much more his goal. He understood that the fans are the single most important element of any sporting events and so he wanted to entertain them and he knew that they like himself. You know we're mistrustful of palm poverty and and large amounts of money and guys who bought ballclub says toys so that really gave much more motivation than to to create a name for themselves. We only have thirty seconds. Left but mike I i'm sure your dad realized he could do nothing about how many how many ells the team had but the could do something about the experience that the fan ham am i correct in that assumption. Absolutely and you know and he step further and say look. Every game is not going to be the most exciting. You know you're warriors. I always going to perform and so there's nothing wrong with sending people home with the idea that winners lose boy. We had a great time and that doesn't mean he wasn't competitive. It simply means that he was realistic. We're talking with mike. Vecchi is the president owner of the charleston. River dogs a couple of other minor league teams as well and certainly that Name is iconic when it comes to sports and particularly baseball and when we come back on the other side. i'm gonna talk to mike about some of the promotions. He's done at the minor league level about the minor league baseball experience and how it differs from the major league experience and where he thinks up experiences in sports going. We've got you on america's sports talk. Show your outdoor experiences. Could be better clearly better. Cain sunglasses or made exclusively with polarized lenses for optimal clarity. Using japanese optics. Kanaan's lenses are clearer lighter and stronger than other lenses ended. 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"charlie finley" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"I wish you would try and slap rick kittles mama's face he would clown you choose louise all right Thank you for that. At welcome back to the show still got another two hours ago carson palmer coming up as well know one thing about the soccer that has translated to major league baseball and to certain extent the nfl the nba as well is that soccer was really the first sport where you could wear any type of clete or boot as say in england that you want it did not have to match the team colors. Everyone aaron lennon years ago started weren't weren't red. Cleats for tottenham. There was an outrage because as arsenal callers doing baseball everyone wore black leads as charlie finley said wedding gown white and prison gray. We're the only uniform colors and he wanted poodle zaza so they were the white cleats and they're the only ones and then i remember when the royals they started wearing all blue and then the angels started wearing all red is like whoa look what they're doing yankees and the red sox stay traditional all black. Now you watch any game. And i'd say half the players on every team in baseball weren't awake leads. I've given up the fight i lost. I always thought that was a cool thing. Part of the swing and as it was in their seventies logo. We were the ones with the white spikes You know matt chapman wearing these bright yellow ones whose lasorda was wearing these gold ones. I don't know steph. Curry everyday has different colors. That's just the way it is. That's the way these these kids are now like a little panache that like a little color. Why not right. As i said i fought it. I lost i give it just the whole thing as i thought we were the only team that were white. All right..
KNBR The Sports Leader
"charlie finley" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Proposal would remove off days require up to 12 additional doubleheaders with a minimum of six in a conference schedule. Proposal also gives Manfred Broad new powers to cancer suspended well again. I think that's related to the To the virus, so There may be another ulterior motive in the motive, So this is a negotiation. It's a long text that said to be well, but nobody's fingers move that found that plane have been mad. I guarantee that that had to be a voice dictate a text that was really impressive. By the way, my voice sex never work out. My smartphone is because they always tell you like It gets better. It knows your voice and this and that I look at it because I'll do a voice text in the car, and then I'll say, Read it back to me. And then it just got all sorts of weird number. Jumbo. This is really good. Really good, Whoever voice text that has it down. I mean, he wants to. He wants to remain anonymous, but he's in its freezing the inside. So anyway, there is there are something I you know my response. And if you're listening out there, Sydney, another voice dictated text that really impressive. I wish I could do that. Um, I think that we're gonna be fine. I think the fact that this is the initial Offer is really encouraging to me, and I think it's just a way having the owners they have to have a way to get fans in. And you know who knows about the vaccine and How it's all gonna work in a different strange the variance there so many out there But I haven't heard of anybody getting vaccinated that got sick after They're people that I know the timing was really off. Lot. You show me a case where Someone got vaccinated and it didn't work. Don't we have a problem? But I haven't heard of that. So I think it started after you know, spread no. Farms wearing masks. They're talking about double masking and all that. These are all virus related concerns. But it's also unrealistic to start the season on time and go to spring training in a couple of weeks. I think that's unrealistic as well. So that proposal, I think is a good first. Offer from the owners and we'll see I'm optimistic that we'll have a year. I think this is a work of a plane where they can they can Negotiate and do some hard negotiations on both sides to get it done, but I think it's reasonable to expect, but there's also You know where we're gonna be with the virus and a month from now. Say you start spring training, actually when it's spring. And not winner, which is essentially what they're looking at. Are we gonna be that far along? Uh, the owner's gotta have a way to have people in the stands, which makes it makes it tough. Well, one of the big things, too, and this has been talked about for months if the two sides trusting each other better. And I think they could come to a quicker agreement. But everybody writes within every article, whether it's Ken Rosenthal or Buster only or any of these guys who write it, they'll write it and then it's by the way they don't trust each other. This is the worst relationship they've ever had. And so that's part of the difficulty in reaching something because the hate each other right now, according everybody in the know they had worsened goes David. Worse relationships. They didn't like murder. Who is, by the way, Martin knows the Hall of Famer now, So you know he's in the seventies when he started all this and a Kurt flood thing in the whole, you know. They were the first sports to have a Player's association, a union And then you know, on the don fear and you know, we had 1994. What they did was terrible and cancel the world. Syriza's Never get over that one. Don't don't don't get through this. I mean, the harder thing is gonna be the next C B. A I think we'll get through that. I think they All the losses they had financially. The players lost money last year as well. Obviously, I think they're gonna be in the mind of to come into a deal, so we'll see where it goes. I I You could play that game and take aside. I think the owners have a reasonable argument to be made. We played last year without any fans and almost all venues. We lost money to play the year. Come on. S so I I personally think this is really encouraging. And if it starts, you know a little bit later than before. Then we play and that's fine. Because you can't have a normal, you know, Spring training to be a lot better if you wait and you're smoking again. 154 is a big chunk of the year. It's not like 60, and this season's not gonna be that far. The lady would go the regular season would go to October 10th instead of October the third. So you're only talking about a week there, so I took. This is well, that's a pretty good offer from the owners and then the little tweak it and come back to it, But I'm optimistic. The other big baseball story The known are on auto trade is official in the thing that shocked me the most was the Rockies. Gonna pay his 2021 salary of $35 million You know the game 50 million? Yeah, it's it's amazing, but I guess it's in the agreement that the 35 is due this year, which is his salary, and then they're gonna pay 15 and installments or whatever the case is gonna be in that. And, you know, obviously they're two different sports. But you know Chris Paul and it was different. He didn't go to the Lakers. They didn't have ownership at that time. That whole thing, But man, if baseball's not to reject a trade like this, and there, I could reject the trade. This was just highway robbery was ridiculous. Well, they did check back a lot of salary. I don't see it that way. Honestly, I I mean, this is not like Charlie Finley selling off his best players to the Boston Red Sox in New York Yankees. That's well within their right. You do that in Colorado is I mean, you could. You could just you could have sold Nolan a Renato. You could have just sold him and not taking any prospects back. So there's a chip. They're in Colorado's taken salary back, but ST Louis his ownership is looking at the pandemic will have any fans in the stands. He's also deferring a lot of his money. I mean, why is it any different? It's just structured differently than what the Ford family did in Detroit, which Jared Goff Steel They took. They took Jared Goff. And a there was a doors of price to pay for that there was no extra draft pick involved. But essentially, they're they're taking a commodity that they wouldn't pay that kind of money, so they're essentially taking the salary off of Stan Kronke is books. How is that any different than what the Rams and lines did? Yeah, I just because I think are not. It was a great player. They didn't get any of the top prospects for the from the Cardinals. And they're going to pay his salary it look, it's great. He's out of the division. If I'm a Giants fan, I'm happy. I'm just simply saying that this was a ridiculously lopsided trade. And if you're gonna look for approval in the commissioner's office, you're gonna prove any trade. If you gonna prove this one. I think it was ridiculous. But what other chain made a better offer? I don't know. I just make a better obviously know what he did, and if they're made the trail was ST Louis and I understand the Rockies want to get his money off their books, and they don't have fans coming in, and they're not a large market..
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"charlie finley" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"And i mentioned i fran horrid. Hey got this. Let's by the oakland a.'s. Go fund me going mostly as a joke. Any money raised by the way. He's going to give. The charity can take tweeted yesterday. The as need new ownership the and the bad thing is is you know when charlie finley tried to burn the team to the ground and he tried to sell the team to denver to marvin davis. How horrifying most awful town in america. Getting my baseball team. The host family stepped in the highest payroll in baseball. Had three million fans on three straight pennants on a world series and after that though had to skinflint ownership groups between shot and hoffman and wolf and fisher well y- just yesterday as teams were announcing. We've signed this guy you know. We've got nolan. Aaron nado on a trade francis golan door to the mets. The as put out they nate orf name. I wanted to talk. Oh are avenue. So i texted my friends. Who are fans. And i put star power. Happy birthday nate. Or and two of them said. Is this a real guy. He brand new. He's actually with the team last year. He was like yeah. He was like a defensive replacement. Nate orf yes. Nate orf well it never stops because just now the as of announced cut more guys on the way to camp one of them is named daily skara right handed pitcher who last year with the phillies was one and three with an eight five nine before he was deif aid in august. So it's just it's just a matter and nothing against lease garra That's fine but the thing is is that when you have a team that just takes. You know the phillies scraps. What are you supposed to win by the way. They also said that. They've had catcher carlos perez carlos perez Who in rookie ball batted two eleven k judge in rookie ball. But it's just you know it's just when you see the cardinals with their new stadium and they're all their world series titles and we've got nolan errand otto and then the same day. The as put happy birthday. Nate worth.
KGO 810
"charlie finley" Discussed on KGO 810
"You know, for the most part in large part, I mean, they said we had a good relationship, and Dusty Baker told me was like Ali Frazier because they They fed off each other. They woke up in the morning and check the other guy's box score. You hit a home run. I gotta head home run. Um, and that parallel, I mean, they were three years apart, but Most played 22 years in the big leagues. Both appeared in 24 All Star games, both played and Negro leagues, both from Alabama. Um uh and And that mutual respect from afar, I guess was epitomized in these conversations I had with them. Erin telling me that The time at all Star games was Some of the best times Hank ever spent because he hung out with Willie and these other guys and Willie would tell stories. Well, he was the older guy three years older, but you know, in baseball that zbig difference On days would would talk about stuff that Hank appreciated and live by and hey told me, he said, I couldn't be willing. I mean, my captain by all I could make a basket catch. I couldn't run around and dance and and do those things will he did. I had to put my head down, run around the bases and be business like and that's exactly who he was. And fans love Maze because amaze fans loved Erin because of Aaron. Why was he called the hammer? Does he hit the ball, man? His risk? His wrists were four. Yeah, I mean, nobody had Hank Aaron rests every every kid who ever grew up watching that guy. Said, Man I want wrist like Hank Aaron and neither of these guys with 6 ft. You know, Willie and egg face, either of them look like some of today's players, these body building gods. But but they just used their body to the best that you could get them. So, um, you know, you don't work out with weights and work out in the off season. They were just I asked, will answer. Do you keep in shape? And you said I never got out of shape, and I'm sure that was a true with Hank. Um they were. They were gifted, but they worked hard and They thought, you know, they have that six tools out. Think the opponent outsmart the opponent? Think ahead. Anticipate? Envision. And that's what got him ahead. It wasn't just skills and talent and and and all that stuff. I mean, they mindset was just so far above. Competition and take who never hit more than 44 home runs ended up with the all time home run record. Never had 1545. But consistency year after year, which you don't see in today's play you that might have one good year, But these guys had 789 years in a row and then Maybe hit 2 82 nights and then seven or eight good years in a row after that, so they never took a break. A Reggie Jackson takes credit for Nick giving M C. Hammer his nickname his stage name, and, and The reason, he said, was because he looked like Hank Aaron. Did you hear that story, too? Yeah. Stanley Burrell was his name and he was a kid growing up up in Oakland, and he always showed up to the player parking lot and hung out with these guys, Uh, befriended Charlie Finley, who Named him the honorary general manager of the team, candle spy or whatever you want to call it, but But you went to work for the A's, and then you know, he danced in the parking lot with these guys because he grew up dancing. That's what he was even as a kid and And Stanley Burrell. Um, you know, got to be close. He's got it. He's got this cool picture of him as a kid with Hank and yeah, they had that resemblance. But that's how we got his name Hammer after Hamburg make Well, you know, M C Hammer is still with us. The other hammer the real hammer. Hank Aaron has now died and you know, he's just one of the greats. One of the absolute great I've said it before, John. I'll say it again. I have been fascinated by the old Negro leagues, and I wish it some point. They were really done. Justice. I want to see some kind of a massive blockbuster movie because it seems like that's the only way that we can really have a glimpse. That history and how great these players were, because it's true. You know, in the earlier ages in the time of Babe Ruth, he never had to take any of these guys on he never had to play against black players. And that's not to say he would have still been a great ball player. Of course he would have been, But oh, my God, how different baseball would have been in that era? Had it been integrated? I thank you. Yeah, Yeah, I scored Charleston played in Pedro's done, but he was black. So Who is Oscar Charleston? Well, maybe not, as many people know him, but they say he was Willie Mays before Willie Mays. That's how good he was with the five tools, but he played in Babe's era was about the same age. Nobody knew about him outside. You know, white media, um And you know that you know that. That's unfortunate, but but you're right. That would be a wonderful movie, and we saw 42 the Jackie Robinson movie, but that was really over. You know, one or two years of his life. Going back from 19 twenties 1948. The history of the Negro leagues, which now by the way, are being counted among major league statistics. According to this announcement last month by Major league baseball, and that's wonderful that you know. Hank doesn't follow into those years because it goes through 1948. And he didn't play with the Indianapolis clowns and until a couple of years later, But Willie as a 17 year old play with the Birmingham Black Bear, and so he had a home run that year, So instead of 6 60 we might see is Home run total soon as 6 61 0 That will be good to see John Shea is always good to talk with you. Thank you so much for joining us today. My pleasure, Pat. Thanks. Thanks for talking that sun Shade. John. She writes for the San Francisco Chronicle. He's their national baseball writer and his book 24 Life stories and lessons from the Say. Hey, kid. It's a fantastic book about Willie Mays..