9 Episode results for "Charles Schwartz"
Golf Postcast: WGC-Dell Technologies Match Play 2019 | Hero Indian Open | Corales Puntacana
"Light the candle tiger. I very warm. Welcome to the racing post Gulf post cost. I'm Bruce Millington and delighted to be joined this week by my racing post colleague Steve Palmer, and in Wilkinson now a few of them three tournaments to get stuck into the suite including the WG Sea World matchplay that heads the Bill. We've also got the Indian Open and the Punta Cana championship both of which sixteen to on the field, very very difficult affairs, but we will start with the big one. It's as I say the Dell technologies play takes place in Austin in Texas. And the reason this post cost is coming to you earlier the normal is it starts at midday on Wednesday. So get your bets on Steve before we get stuck into this week storms quit look back on last week. And with Scott Hend won the may Bank and pull Casey won the vowel spa. Very grittier retention of his title. We'll slot unlucky won't because last week. Identified a double a jazz. Jan water were known, and who it was the big fellow Benny horsh. No, Jason Coney -cation crap on the on a lot of people in Switzer had the will they they followed you inner with delighted with the place for Tim. It's quite close to it to a big there, wasn't it. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been lovely face. The double come in. Josh. And what's no fish in the in the may Bank championship Cup, sh short, Sean them. Yeah. We were really really unlucky in the vowel spa because we have Louis used housing running for us as well. As your Jason caught crack that Jason code cracking new used and finished tied second the tournament became so three run race with a going down the stretch. It was ought to boys and pull case in case. You obviously got a history of blow in phone around Leeds in in in US tour events. Yeah. It is the best possible front runner. We could have really with all two men just be on him. But then you're caught crack made a bogey on the eighteenth, really, pull wedge horrible that power a wedge show. He took. He got relief from the sprinkler. And then with the second show. It was the worst show hit him because he had a perfect laws any hundred yards from the from the flag, and he just stopped the wedge shot. And then, you know, I it was a tricky up and down from there, and then use towels and bogeyed the sixteen thousand shoot shoot the clumsy ship there. So yeah, we will we we were unlucky. Some you know. Yeah, we lift the fight another day. Certainly do a Wilco. How was it? You learn much loss weakened. Well. I mean, it was interesting. I was having having put Casey up to get the job done at Pebble Beach. Very blues. Latest fifty four hours typically delighted to save it over the line on that one quite interested in that. I mean, a one seventy two it was hardly sort of dynamics than those at the ends quite interested in the east bubbling bubbling with only a couple of weeks ago to Gusta because he's lost four fingers or Custos six four six fifteenth last year. I think they'll be a few people having bit of. Nivola twenty eight to one preps for that. Yeah. This is he on your master's radar, Steve, Casey. He's got. Yes. It's the major that he thinks he can win. It's the major all I think he could win. But. Can we trust him big? As co says, you may folly folly bogeys on Sunday. It was just lucky everyone else around infertility in Johnson's plan partner. Played even worse on on the Sunday at Johnson, short seventy four. So he on not sure Casey is got the minerals to to win the masters, actually. But so yeah, it could easily place on a player each last week who is worth keeping an eye on maybe in future weeks Wilco who caught your I'm thinking, I'm Bob Watson, the lots of talk about the the the new generation perhaps a young applies coming through obviously he's won twice orchestra finish four this week. I free to one. I'm definitely think he's moving in the right direction. And Steve I think Jess John Watson on the is only twenty three looks very comfortable in contention. He's won three times on the Asian tour. Didn't make anything worse than a bogey over the weekend. So yeah, I think Justin what's known especially in Asia is definitely with follow him. Excellent stuff. Okay. Let's take in the first three tournaments this week that don't technologies match. Clay, and Steve take us through the format for people who are unfamiliar. This is certainly not four ends of strokeplayers it. No, we're gonna fi five day tournament tournaments around, Robin. Formats, sixteen groups of four only the winner will go through to the knockout stages which start the weekend. So yes, quite difficult to even get to play for the group. Let alone win the tour and said, this is a tricky tricky test for us also is a theme of a kind of player tends to win this or they come from all sorts of different kind of guidance types. Good place to win them in the number one on seeds, very good record in it. Yeah. Even though it some volatile full Matt the best players. I've gone amazingly good record in it and oversee the group stage element, which was added only three years ago makes it harder for for shocks to happen. You can lose a match now and get through you know, in the past in the past. It was straight knockout sixty four players and an Olympic guns didn't like having to travel that way. And then get knocked out after eighteen oh so Edwin play three rounds. Now Wilco is this one of those events. We you say on you know, I'm just going to Ryan backing up a little from CEO. And just you know, just see what happens after each round rug as somebody to look at perhaps to take it a little bit of a different perspective. I mean, look in the doors already been made we've the sixteen grapes of four players as as mighty stone. We'll king brexit'. Well, some people plan ahead. Yeah. I mean, some if you look at it, though, I'm I'm thinking that it's looking particularly one-sided is more preferable to the other. I'm looking I mean mcelroy's right up in the top of the baton as you would anticipate after his win at pebble the wake but looking at the root. He's got sort of fun. It was absolutely frightening. If he he should come through his group, we've met Fitzpatrick hardening Luke list, but if he wins I could play tiger. Okay. And then if he wins that it will probably it could play just Tom assu Jason die. And if he wins that you'll be playing Dustin Johnson. Oh, Joe mound before we get to the final. So okay. We'll before we get stuck into the who's. And why four let's get quick show. These are indicative best prices shop around for the best price. But also really importantly this week shopper H Y terms because every weight boot Mike has got range price between in court in the five and on a fifty eight but on this one there's a couple of firms who abetting each way the court the top which is obviously the cool to finals. So you're getting a fifth field, and a cool you probably better off going there. If you're each way bets because you'd hate to get the cool to funnel back someone each way. And then they get done in the quarters. And you haven't got the Wii return anyway, Rory is five ten to one Dustin Johnson eleven's is just in Thomas's sixteens twenty two one big Gianni Romme twenty two rows and Fleetwood twenty-five pool Casey twenty-five Edward, no, no Edwald Molinari that poor press. Francesco Molinari twenty. I am the Shambo thirty woods thirty-three ball. Steve who is your main fancy this week Mamane fence? He's Justin Thomas if you look at the three winners of the Austin country club has been played at three times Jason day. Dustin Johnson Bubba Watson. This this cool suits aggressive powerhouses as a load of short powerful is which they can really attack and use them muscle to good effect. So Justin Thomas fits the short play should be looking at. And he along the way. The vowel Spar off next week to freshen up because he's his qua- grueling test of stamina you go play seven matches in five days. If you if you go the way Thomas fit fiddle I love his group. I mean as I say getting people out the group is odd enough in his group. He's gonna play Lucas battery guard, Matt Wallis and Keegan Bradley bedroom garden Wallis debut tunes. No top-flight matchplay experience. So I expect him to get two points on the board straight away. And then Keegan Bradley terrible record in this event is only one more match in ten previous match based out. So I think Thomas gal the group and then as Wilco says the top off is is competitive, but I found Thomas from there. I think he can beat Jason day. And then if he plays real remarkable ROY e beat will remake row in the ROY Cup singles in September. Thomas was top American point score in the ROY to Cup. So yeah, I think traumas can make up for playing. Well that went in this year. He's a he's at three top threes. But there's no conceal the web. But this is a good shots for it was in the semi. Last year loss to the eventual winner Bubba Watson. I'm just going to quickly tell you through what the quarterfinal on. It will be based on rankings. Okay. It's Dustin Johnson versus John roam the winner of that will play Justin Thomas versus Rory mcilroy. And then in the ball on the half off because she got Justin Rose would play Francesco Molinari and they shown by we play Koepka. So we'll kind she signed that part of the button off looks a little bit weak from. And it's the noise pan out that I remember very first year. This thing we had Andrew Magee against it was really really one names credit because you had just it was just I ain't house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff Maga was Mike. Maceio thing. Yeah. Wilco who's your main fence? Yeah, I'll be I'll be looking for to in that second half of the draw and they're both in the same quarter. But as you said earlier that if you can get so you d get to the quarter-finals get you. Right. You right places. Then definitely like the the mindset would be Brooks cope coup missed last year's tournament his wrist injury. But I mean, he's he's demonstrated. They is a class act, and he has got full me. He goes to the core finals in two thousand sixteen nine got to the last sixteen year after that common phones, don't been brilliant emits the Arnold. Palmer was fifty six at the players. I think he's a decent draw. He's we've Alex in who has an excellent record air. But he's is phones been poised. He'd be one ten twelve matches in this tournament. But he's at the best finish of four and five efforts this year. So he's not how tone lane he the Chinese sensation. Really struggled in this last year while Hoffa JR. Here's Tom Louis. He makes his debut Saudi expect him to get fruit. Well, yeah. Because well, actually, get it. Yeah. I is that is that runs the Ryan. So I oh. On the front page tomorrow. Well, yeah. But I wouldn't have information. Anyway, one in the same quarter. I like is apply. We talked about with performance last week is Louie stays and he finished second vows by last week's ice forms in good, Nick. He's he's got a decent record in this as well. He's back in the top twenty was runner up with in this free is ago. Oh that was a different track. Then you know, he's got he was unlucky to not get free his group in two thousand seventeen and he might. Law sixteen last time. He's got told me Fleetwood in his last match. He looks a key is against being on and cows Stanley. We should get through and he's fast two games. So he's around. He's think suppressing so. So they only two we'll just a two because just putting up Steve don't suppose you're just throwing one that they say who else if you got other chew as well. Yeah. That's just I'm Brooks cook. I think it'd be a Thomas Cook a final another player in the similar mole to the the previous winners could go you make mincemeat these powerful was he's made the knockout stages in his previous two visits to Austin country club. And as as I mentioned that the group of opposition is Paul Lewis house only in Alex northern. I think you'll be all of them and cook a fiddle lot Thomas. Yeah. I won't be scared about the schedule here and. And he skipped the vowel spotter to keep himself shot for this. We didn't mention there. The cook finished second in the Honda Classic star of the month. So that the forms there. He's just he's just quietly bubbling away, and my I n -ticipant it's almost be cooked ca Farnell. Okay. Is there anything else you wanna put up here any groups or matches or anything Wilco the group? I quite like in cases, group-group ten are quite like Charles how you know. We've had our fingers burnt back over the past few. But I think he could go quite well to win the group. Casey. You know, you squeeze over the line that might have taken out of in that particular winner is a long week this. I'm Cameron Smith. Australian ease up against him as well. Miss the car the Honda Classic was fifty six of the players also allow he was in the co founders AP last year. He's foam is an ingrate, Nick. How is free group the last two years? Yeah. And he's performed consists. Pre about him down even bigger Shoko in match play. Because he's you know, why you didn't have to play someday. I suppose maybe you know, that might have been I'm faith at the players. And you know, that's he's west finished since he won the RSA of like in the in the autumn. So I'll quite lucky me is about ten you can get hundreds fifty hundred thirty right? Oh, Stephen anything from you groups matches. Okay. See Patrick can't lay causing a big upset in group thirteen Tiger Woods favorite win that book. Patrick, maybe a horrible opponent. Slow and e- consistent data grain operator. So yeah. Out gift. Patrick Connolly a chance of upset upsetting tiger in that group. Well, the bracket school dishes they've nine them off. I'm not sure with three tournaments this way of the research has been, Freddie. Sorry. Saris to be Samson. There's an easier. Snead Brian James. Yeah. It's with okay. So down on the Delo. Yeah. Nothing. More to add except I will add this. If you buy a copy of the racing post that you will get old staves thoughts loads and loads of stats pass winners loads of little tips and extra info the helped you win a race in personal Wednesday. A must all go punches particularly this week to other the previews. Let's do the Indian Open next takes place at Delhi golf club. And he stops three AM on Thursday. So you need to have your bets on by tonight. Quickly spin through the betting before that I'd still fancy Lahiri and Jenny Watson on a sixteen one joints campaign, eighteen Siri twenty-five lonely, Sharma and max Kafer twenty eye. Eric van ruin Twenty-eight, the resurgent natural over thirty Muhtar, Schwab and the. Thirty three ball them. Steve how many putting up here got four in this one too? It must have prices give give you one. If you own having one Mellon it if I was only having one baby shop hind Sharma finished shell Pankaj Shammar. He was excellent last season. It was his breakout season. He won twice on the European tour hasn't managed to find top gear. This term is putting a law of the weight of expectation on his shoulders, but there are signs of life last week in the may Bank. He finished thirtieth plates. Indecent Gulf, and he's tearing up on his home course this week. I mean, this course, is is a bit of a crazy quirky cools. Gary Player designed to in two thousand fifteen he's got a lot of criticism for it. Because it's just so ludicrously difficult in places there the greens are just so undulating in. In certain places is impossible to get up and down. So they'll would just double bogeys galore last year. Steve is a long cool. She has seven thousand six seven thousand three hundred seventy nine yards. So as long and the greens as very difficult, and the weather is Broten as well, the weather focused this give me in the high thirties. So wait. So you've got you've got challenging Gulf course. And you've got to you know, keeping your heads together. And those temperatures it's difficult and shopping Shammar is kind of a cool, dude. And as I say, he's home track. So he knows it better than anyone. And last year last year, he was well fancied law she, but he just stepped off a twenty hour flight from Mexico. He played really well in the Mexico championship contended into Mexico champs champion that turned up. Absolutely naked for for the Indian Open open with a seventy three got a bit of a rest, and then Shaw's Kufra would sixty four the following day. So he finished seventh this time much, fresher. I think I think Sean is going to be the man to beat this week. We'll co how many you're gonna pump for this while I've got free. We we've talked about John Genoa's. And I'm known yet. I'm with his credentials. Yeah. I definitely think he's the humane now. Well, quote, like, Kevin Greene. Malaysian who might have pretty bowed. He could make a Bopha this week. He's a decent record finished second behind a chair razor when he won by seven shots in two thousand seventeen and he was sixteenth floss here. He's no in bad. Nick. He's got took finishes at the may Bank and gets homeostasis and miss to cuts. After eleven in a decent. The you missed two cows. After it finished eleventh in a decent failed at the Saudi international. So I I he five to one off innkeeper upper bocce, and I'm home players. I've done well in this story free winners before Matt Willis one last year will Indian and I'm quite like Gangi Boola who it could lead to home charge is he was foodie I floss week, but he's not being bad knee because he was a fifth in the Kenyan open, and he's missed one car in these last fourteen events is pretty consistent. And it is a low grade competition he's playing you know, he's playing his home-country off in key could have a decent. So he's green Jonah Watson owns and Buhler. Yes. Okay. Steve as well as Sharma who you going for Josh Watson on is my next best a think, he's got the temperament for this cool because this makes plas- heads come off. But just nothing Bovis Jesuit was easiest these taller plaza. Very calm. The. Yeah, they go around crawl around the monk hoots. And yeah, I see from jazz nothing seems to ruffling and he's just playing well every week. So. Yeah. Yes. Shaman and John Watson on the two main bets? And then got to really big prices. Monkhood real word. I don't know. Sure. When a sent that women that is, but we can get what you mean. A thing. Nice calm sensible loving people. Yeah. I sit I sit I sit and then no easily rowing very nice. Who's a big prices then and then to Indians to Indians it big process. Achy achy Shandu very accurate Indian three or more full selections are Indians and the become through these weather conditions are mentioned sandy one on the Asian tour in two thousand seventeen and he's got a fantastic record plan in India on the Asian tour really comes alive in his homeland. So actually teach Sandu and then the phone or one is carrying Joshi Callen Joshi much younger than Sandu bursting with potential he made his Asian tool breakthrough in October. It warned the Panasonic open which is played in India. So he's already what went on the ball in the Asia torn his homeland and great potential, and I think he could be in Sparta to go well on home turf this week. So if four against the Phil can SS p when again. Yeah, you wouldn't put him process pay what you but of. This preferred okay jolly good NFL zone. The Indian or fill up with that. Okay. Let's turn our attention to the Dominican Republic put into Khanna championship. Corales? Go FCA this starts at noon on Thursday. And again as with the Indian Open very competitive from a in perspective Assad is proc- Jonathan Vegas had the market. He and Daniel m are sixteen one the someone could Dan is it Daniel Danny McCarthy. Denny daddy. Danny McCarthy unsure grind show carried sir. I've never heard of him. He's twenty five to one Nieman. The young ish Brazilian naming is from someone chilly chilly. Young slow Chilean his twenty eight Charles Schwartz soy's thirty three's long. We Lashley Ambati. And it's forty two one bar Steve before we get the selections what kind of test is this Kerala's dove club Dominique and Republic. It was a web dot com tour event for a couple of years and then joined the US to allow. Last year for the first time it's easy win in schools of twenty four twenty and eighteen under par in those three tournaments. I mean when you look at the yardage seven thousand six hundred seventy yards. I mean that the second only to Tori point south in the US tool venues lengthways, but they make mincemeat of it. So I mean if we played that. So of course, we struggle because you can't into very far, but for the the modern professional. Yeah. The the motive profession makes mince meal and less. The wind blows is daughter. Yeah. Yeah. I was done the Rangers city Steve. And I was working on a really truncated backswing. And I'll tell you what man Mike games in great shape. Cannot come into the game. This saying, oh, the pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. You got Steve Stricker swing now. View that show. Steve Stricker swing if you shoot and everything and stiffen the wrists. Yeah. You can get results. Anyway, this want help find winners. How many up Steve thought five? This is my favorite tournament of the week. We've got five this. We a like the Karasu shame. He's not in the TV is is the best the best values in this toolman. Oh blimey. Well, I'm gonna while. I was here. They can't show everything can they go and then headliner. Number one is Jenny McCarthy. Who is he then? He's good. He's twenty six years is always improving. He won the web dot com to a championship last year, which is the most prestigious event on the web dot com tour, and he seldom mmediately on the US to finish seventh in the Sanderson farms fifteenth in the Shriners and last week show a pair of sixty nine in the house barmy, it doesn't sound president of the copay court is brutal. You so Katie struggle in the weekend. Justin Jones destroy each macabre show, a pair of sixty nine finished nine. So that's fantastic form taking the shoes downgrade SU was essentially a rubbish event. So. Yeah. Mcafee's found his game. He was on my right? Our anyways it good putts. And so he can reach this this low winning schools will be needed this week. And he played Karatas once before he played the last year and he finished fourth smiling. Everything's bosses now. Yeah. Yeah. I think McCarthy's the bed the week before we get the staves are the full selections. Wilco? How many are you gonna put up until you ain't gone and far away? Okay. Minds to fizzy Joe Darmon who is available around the fat free, Mark. He's been up and down because he missed four strikeouts. Earlier in the year between Phoenix and the all new palm. But before that he was nine for the farmers insurance. And he's coming into the foams twelve supplies and furniture at the Val spa. Having started with sixty six I really, you know, flew out the blocks on that one. It was I think in this last year which included the second round of sixty six and a closing sixty seven. So I think he could go and the other one is the latest Koreans teenage sensation soon. Gye 'em. So soon Jay quitting. We're not get that from his ones. There is a Daniel Amos. Join him. Yeah. He's he's a rookie to shave his plan in these first year and he's flying. He's got four top ten finishes including further the Arnold Palmer, and he was fourth last week in the foul spa. He's fast is fast wing combat far away. And obviously the standard of the field this week is decreased because if it was gonna Austin side slot expansion of abo- show from him. Okay. Stave who your other four as well? As Danny McCarthy next best is Matt Jones two thousand fourteen Houston. Open champions is not wanna stateside event since since that breakthrough. But this is a golden opportunity is a class above most of this field. I mean, he's won the Australian Open in Jul with Jordan space, not Jones player. He got two months of solid form behind him thirteenth in the vows bar on Sunday. Fantastic performance. Finished twenty eighth in on his Kerala's debut last year, but arrived in terrible fool me just missed three cuts in a row. So that wasn't a bad f- in not full as much nickname time. And then three more bigger prices Kelly craft twenty eleven US amity champion got off the Mark on the web dot com tour. Two thousand fifteen three threes on the US tool. One of which came here finished third last year short fun around sixty seven cross every Rodney go. Well, Rafael Campos is the biggest problem tip in in this woman Puteh Rican. So we pulled her ACRI on the computer still student student quote, but. How'd you pool to Rica? Okay. I'm sticking with Pierre. Tariq, very Campos very close to home in the domain can Republic. Comfortable Kerala's finished third in the twenty seven web dot com tour event, all almost players have proven themselves on. This course law Davidson's this week, including the talk to in the button all plans to be proven always after. And he's a compulsive never been more confident. He won in the Bahamas at the end of January together with them all on the web dot com tool. Leads the web dot com to a rankings finished thirteenth lost. We couldn't understand under to one. And then the fallen one is harassing are seeing. Lucia two-time US tool champion, not the world is feats a few years ago being underachieving since but some signs of life twelve plates in the Honda Classic was was encouraging and the law. She finished fifth in in this very event. So yeah. Five pronged attack harassing final. Steve wise, Jonathan Vegas ahead of them. Okay. Entre sat him down as a complete jerk. Newman these days, you must obviously being shown a bit of decent form lately. Well, I think you have to because Cheltenham in the same week of sawgrass. He he he he contended at sawgrass with a light Ratto him and Eddie petrol came charging the sawgrass board. So oversee Olov exposure, everyone jumping aboard the Vegas-bound widen icon, again, I'm going to tell Chilton the move I love the Players Championship in very ruined it forming after well if we do that. Oh, yeah. Yes. Fonterra pied. I was go Cup. They. Shit never mind. Okay. Right. Then before we go. We'll get the clear concise summary of everyone selections. Okay. So start with the Dell technologies match place. They've palma. Justin Thomas Brooks, cook. In Wilkinson, Louis used Hazen and cocoa the Indian Oaten. Steve Palmer Chopin cash Shama. Josh Genoa's Anand agitation Sandu Callen Joshi in Wilkerson, jazz agenda. What an aunt. Gagging. Jeet Boola and Gavin Grimm. And finally the pudding tacona championship. Steve Jenny McCarthy, my Jones Kelly craft Rafael campus, and Harris English and Wilco play. Joe Darmon and soon Gye in weld Online's sprint and last week. We said if you only had one go f- bet, what would it be? And we agreed on the Jana Watson and. Cry double which was really it's weird really good at four times a fantasy fun and really good each way return, very close to to get in the absolute lot there. So this wing, Steve if it were just having one go who should it be? Cool Shas punches should have Danny McCarthy ch- way. So he asked about the weight, but if you want something a little bit more jazzy and a bit more like last week's, you know, he's three fig a winner loss weight that each way. If he wants I more solid to now. Go with the McCarthy Justin Thomas shop, Hank Shaw each way treble. Okay. And wilco. I'll just go sees alcoholism J m to win Dominican Republic. Untested was coming up next week. Steve Texas Open, isn't it? Yeah. We got one more way. Can we text US Open them we Moss's after that? It's the big one the most excellent. Okay. Well, the lights will be back for next week's postcards. We'd love you to join us. Thanks very much for tuning in. Give them a whole.
NLU Podcast, Episode 307: Overappreciated Players
"Beater right club today. That's better than most about. It is better than most rattling ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome back to the no laying up podcast. We are following up on Sundays episode which was What we classified as a preciado players. It only felt right to follow that up with Perhaps over appreciated players more probably more controversial. If I may say I'm excited to see what you guys have. I know rains excite. Take a lot to get rid of the excited. He's GonNa make some enemies today. Randy's hear Neil here it was difficult. It's hard who to flame also much harder than I thought it would be yes. Tci's here that's his voice. You just heard there and DJ pies here as well. Good morning fellows. How are you Before we do get rolling here we had a piece of video content. We're still going to re releasing got a little Cova Kinda through little curveball at US. I want see the kind of take us there. We're GONNA talk about the callaway maverick driver of course but What was what we working on. Still working on. And how would you get to just take us there? We're going to get very fit. There's three heads on the on. The new maverick driver got the regular maverick. The sub zero for higher speed players such as myself and then the MACs for those who need a little bit help keeping the right miss inside the balance you're locking is dog taking a dump just looking at it. It's only fifty in the maverick Max and I'm thrilled with it. Yeah so you actually switched from the subzero in your epic flash to regular regular. I've hidden a little higher a little bit getting a little bit more launch on it which I think I found someone driver in the last couple of weeks so I'm really I. I'm honestly never driven a better better than how the last couple of weeks and yeah. I think. That's that's been something that I've noticed is the maverick sub. Zero's even more low spin and the epic Flash Sudhir by a wide margin. Speaking of players did see called me the lowest been player on earth. I'm in the regular maverick. I was a little worried in my old epoch. Flash they have the the weight the adjustable wait in the would that be the? He'll or along the the toe of the club. The back club Which I had said that to help promote and encourage that club face to turn over. 'cause I'm coming in so shallow and an open so I was a little apprehensive with the maverick. They don't have that. But I gotta say hitting the Maverick I think better than I did. The epic Flash. I I love it. You're driving out of the ball. Thank you coming from you for the the the regular and the Max or both a little. Bit of draw bias. The sub. Zero's is pretty pretty straight on. Neil what do you plan right now? We'll have to talk about it. Kneels actually playing by driving. Now I have sub zero. It's up in the big city so I've been playing. It's Subzero sub zero. So I think we're playing the same thing I usually. I usually tweet it down to eight degrees aloft a because I tend to hit the ball pretty high so years nine degrees pretty standard. I nine degrees seventy Graham shaft and I've been pretty good. I still still lose one or two every round. But I think we're working through some stuff off the tee really far. Yeah well we. We've seen that because you're brawny bro. you may have forgotten because it feels like a long time since professional. Golf is happening but it was having a successful start of the year Zander. Almost repeated with a repeat win in Hawaii leash minutes action one with it in January and of course the chip driving win here Jack Speech by yours truly. That's actually in the copy. I didn't just bring that in warranty when the driver can at the drudge. If Orange isn't your thing you can go to Callie. Customs Design Your Own Scheme. And so yeah. We were love in the maverick when we do get out the play. And and yeah. We're we're excited getting the actual fitting we KINDA fit ourselves a little bit but I wanna see. Tc actually getting the lab. Randy's actually wondering he thought he got a custom with the orange but that's just the way it was like. That's what I would have made it reality of over-appreciated players Right does anyone kind of want to introduce what how they defined under over appreciated as a different for every guy yeah. I put a lot of thought into that I would say. I don't think it's overrated. You know you win. You Win Golf tournaments. It's hard to call someone over. I think over appreciated some of it's off the core stuff that has led to or labels that they developed throughout their career that maybe gets them more face time or more airtime or they come up in conversation more because they are the considered the best at this. But then you're like well are they that good compared to their peers. They Excel in one thing. So that's that's where I was was going with it a little bit and I'll turn it over to somebody else to define their definite overrated component. But it's not the only component the I leaned similar to the to the last episode. We did I lean much more over appreciated. I think over Guys who are maybe Celebrated a little bit more than maybe their their output dictate. A common theme is big personalities. I think yeah that I came across was like Oh yeah that guy. I did struggle with it though I was talking to yesterday. There are so few stars superstars in golf that it's it's hard enough to be like basically what I'm getting is. Most of the people who are very famous for golf like are very good. Yeah you know. There's just not sucked. There's not that many I was just thinking about going talking to you know just a very casual Gulf in like hey. Do you know who this person is. No all right well. It's Kinda hard for me to say like over appreciated that but you know what I mean. Did you go? I completely agree. I think there's another factor. I don't WanNA spoil it yet related to personality that I think gets people more buzz than maybe they do. But it's relevant to the purse like if you're looking at it that way it's over appreciated golf game due to maybe not under appreciated personality but like a wealth of personality because there's not enough of that in the game so they get credit as saying they're like awesome but it's like well maybe their golf game if they didn't have the personality exactly that's why don't we kick off the big. Are we going to whittle it down as we've been who do the same? He's going to drop in about thirty five options. Probably a bunch of names. Yeah let's let's see what happens. Save your drop ins till the very end. So you're not peeing on a bunch of different people so I'm GonNa turn into big rain to start us off to run through the format though as you brought up each of us have three. Is that correct? Yes I have. Three LERT will will get it to fifteen and then whittle down to our five most over-appreciated guys okay. You know what I actually four because I paired. I have three selections but one of them's appeared selection. I've done something similar. Okay and I might as well as free to habitual menu. I have parents election for you all three but I actually have nine walking through as well. We're going to start. I'll I'll start with my parents election a couple of South Africans Gary Player. No I think one of them is on my list so we can tag team if you're one of them is Louis stays in and the other is Charles Schwartz. All can you guess right? Now what Charles Schwartz Cels Odobi Jars to twenty now? He's like one forty one. I think he's way higher than that. I think he's in the fifty you know really Are you abstaining staining prostheses ranked two hundred five? Louis was on my list not Charleston. I didn't know Charles Shirt shirt. Well let me make the case real quickly. The my whole thesis is the results. Do not match the talent Charlie. We know won the masters in twenty eleven. He birdied the last four holes complete sweepstakes of masters that was the year that rory decided to crown everybody so since since that Masters Win Charles has four top tens in majors compared to ten miss cuts the two of them. And I'm bringing in Louis now. The two of them have combined for three. Pj Tour Wins. Oh my God. The only non major was Schwartz two thousand and sixteen vows bar which he defeated Bill Haas in playoff. This is where I make the case for overrated so their combined career earnings on the PGA tour are approaching. Forty million Louis. Just shy of twenty one million Schwartz at about seventeen and a half and then you factor in the euro tour as well where they've earned a combined thirty five million euros and that's with Earth they've they've combined the two of them have won six euro events non majors so dis- double-counting exactly It's only six euro tour events outside the continent of Africa. Louis Four Charles one to both in Spain and I was thinking you know everybody looks at who stays in swing right. It might be the best like him. And Scott are always among the top two three four swings on tour I think maybe this was my own fault. I thought Schwarz soul very much ballyhooed Amateur career seemed to be the next big thing huge breakthrough at the master's and then it's like guys really since twenty fifteen like over the last five. They don't they don't do anything but they make a lot of money so. I guess that's Nice. That was a jump in brief. Yeah please so. That's that's the that's the thrust of my case. No that was exactly where my head was as well. I had Louis. I'm Elliott did not go after after Schwartz. Ally kept it to one accusation case here. So how about? This randy takes shorts. You Take Louis Schwartz deal then as I was going like how Shit Louise like. He hasn't even one another. Pga Tour event. Let me let me say it happened to me a lot. One guy led me to the next guy about four times. I was like oh I think he's already but actually the main sentence I would like to. I would like the jury to take away. Here is Louie Station has never won in the United States straight up. And he's a guy that where I was really coming out and this has been burning for a while and I love Louis. I love watching play. Golf. I desperately I think a big part of this is. I desperately wished that he did win more because I love watching them but there was a period of time where he was just like everybody's pick for all these majors like three or four years ago five years ago or Lou. He's going to be the guy he's he's for sure. GonNa win this week. And of course he had some close calls do does not win. Period like hasn't won in the United States. That's one hundred and seventy-five starts on the PGA tour like they don't really went outside of Africa was the big takeaway I had one hundred seventy five starts on the PGA tour no wins in America. Two hundred ninety nine starts on the European tour and I will give nine wins on the on the European tour for Louis he finishes in the top ten twenty five percent of the time on the European tour and doesn't win outside Africa. We'd be remiss if we didn't mention he lost in a playoff at the masters. He was extremely absolutely and he finished runner up at all four. Yes and some closer than others but like losing in a place it's Schwartz or or Louis that just wants to ride the tractor Louis under appreciated Somebody is one of the best in the world of what they do and all he wants to do is is to raise dead he just wants to hang out but also probably why he does win getting a bunch of like farm subsidies to you know let me throw some fodder to my associates. A the last time Louis was outside. The top fifty in the world was June. Twenty fourteen even despite a lot of injuries. Despite you know he he's hung on apathy hasn't left the top fifty in the world. And what's going on six years with no wind on the PGA tour? I think I honestly think nobody gets less from more than Louis certainly seems like zoo guy. That's maybe under-appreciation. Yeah I was GonNa say I totally respect so as of now. The prosecution rests on on the South Africa. And Senate. If you had anything else to Schwartz also Opus Dei. Yes yes. We witnessed that in person actually at the at the range the players it was it was the site. Those one of the most majestic practice sessions. I've ever seen in my up next. Yeah I think I don't want to double steal from DJ here. Because I think he's got a you know I I believe we're GonNa have some overlap on this possibly. Maybe you didn't make final three but I think he I believe you call them the poster child for appreciate over took a book out a page out of TC's book. I figured everybody would have him on the list and I I opted out all right. Well I he's Billy Casper of overrated. Okay well I've got him on my list. He's got fifteen tour. Wins either one or five majors depending where you look if you look on the World Golf Hall of Fame Site? It's five but according to what actual majors are. It's one great hair great hair. Then you know ladies want to be with them men WANNA be in as you wear a glove. He does not wear gloves. I think of it. I mean. A handsome fellow varies with Jim. Nance he's a buddy buddies with Michael Jordan and the cat. He is Fred Couples. The big disclaimer. Here is I still think he's a what if guy the back. Injuries believe held him back from winning. More than fifteen times in one major but I just want to kind of point out other resumes. Have guys with fifteen wins in one major or around that ballpark Corey Pavin? Fifteen tour wins in one. Major is not in the hall of fame. Fred couples is in the hall of fame. Now we can. We can go ahead. Let's just do detonate the hall of fame. Nobody cares about the hall of fame. It's bad but him. Winning two players I think is what got him into the whole using the website last night in research for this which say what you will about the whole thing but it was the place I started. Granted it was to look for overrated guys but that was interesting at least but yeah you you made an allusion to he has one or five majors and straight up listed on the the hall of the Fucking Hall of fame. Has the Players Championship listed as a major? It's like if you want to be if you're trying to be like the hall of Records like here's what truly matters integrity of the game. You can't just make shit up. That's not that's so stupid and adding the senior major major and that just screams to me like man. I'm sure there's a lot of awesome people that work on the hall of fame and like they're probably putting a bad spot by dumb executives. But are you building this for fans or you building this for yourselves and obvious the obvious answer for yourselves because nobody fucking shows up is because you've built it like this shrine to like brands and activation dumb things. Don't mean and that that God that pissed me off yesterday looking at that. I don't know why that trigger some of the older guys in the hall of fame. We got one of those two so in the bus to just wanted to throw one more survey. So Yeah Fred. Couples say over exhibit. Wait so one major. He won four two players and two senior majors that they count adding senior. Oh Yeah thank you. Jack Nicklaus has like thirty majors or something interesting thirty professional majors but then also they don't count as US ams which he counts as majors so stupid. Well so imagine Corey Pavin. Fifteen tour wins one major same resume. He doesn't have the two players wins but same resumes for couples. His not in the hall of Fame Marco Mira Sixteen wins in two majors. He is in the hall of fame. But if I throw out to a casual fan. Who's WHO's a more appreciated player? It's Fred couples over mark. Amira I would guess that they would answer how Sutton fourteen wins and a major and a players know hall of fame. Tom weiskopf sixteen wins. One major no hall of fame Tom. Kite has nineteen wins in a major in his never talked about in the same way. Freddie is he is in the hall of fame but he has I would say a better career he and Fred couples elks number of wins. He I think he has seventeen tour. Win Tour Wins. Two players in a major sounds literally like better than yeah. Is he in the hall of fame? I don't think so I I didn't I shall. He's the logo but so anyway I'm allegedly. The point is couples is grouped is homogeneous in that cat in that category of those guys and yet is celebrated. I think as being a bigger deal. Engulfing those guys marketable. He's in a lot of ads. Liz I can't fault them for any of that. But the ricky comparison was I've got no no objection to that. He was on my shortlist. I wasn't gonNA bring up here. Do the Billy Casper who is too obvious. Thanks go not servicing worth. It's let's get it out there. It's going to be in the top of the top five. He's probably number one. I think what has kept them in the public. Consciousness are some of those runs? He's made at Augusta totally. You know which we're GonNa do v I think. Tcu's going to get there. And I have a quick quick question I know I just dumped on a very hyper specific thing that the hall of fame seems to be doing but when you hear hall of fame like do you think it should factor in how famous you are. Yeah it should matter. CanNot the hall very good exactly? And so. That's why I always like I never totally minded having Monte or you know Fred couples or those guys in there because I do think it should be a reflection of you know who the most famous players the most like but it all factors or game being over appreciate it absolutely all right. That's my case. Go all right so I I have a actually near and dear to uh he's a he's a k really half Kappa Alpha order fraternity man nineteen. Pga Tour Wins two majors. I know who is a fuzzy? No gets three plus the up next saving them. I think it's gentle Ben. Odyssey nailed it known as the best putter of all time gentle Ben Crenshaw And I think it goes to what I said earlier. I think certain guys get over appreciated for specific skill and crenshaw specifically was a horse for the course at Augusta which I also think A good career at Augusta or a win at Augusta which will go to my fuzzy take is lets you kind of just ride that for literally. Twenty thirty forty years until you say something he'd gone on crenshaw because I'm Gonna. I'm going to detonate those guys okay. I can help you. Detonate them. Crenshaw's PGA Tour playoff record. What do you think it is one in six eight? Oh never WANNA play off other than the two masters. He won colonial twice. Which is a you know a big boy. Golf course but otherwise. It's kind of a desert it's Durell and then a bunch of tournaments that I don't even know if they exist anymore. Let me give you a couple of well you got Buick. Anheuser Busch Golf. Classic one Byron Nelson Sentelle Western Open. So that's that's legit Ohio Kings Island Open. Oh my gosh at the heart of Sorry Man Mason Mason Kings. Yeah he took did damage Texas at home so he won the Texas amateur. I think four times had a great amateur career but I think another thing that goes into over appreciate it guys are guys that kind of fly onto the scene from the start had a great career. Texas played great golf as a junior golfer. Great Career Great. I know and that's fair and I'm not saying you're under saying it but like he was amazing. I know and then you hear that a lot like these huge Texas alum and so all of that credit is due but the pro career I think when I went into look them up I was like man. I I kinda thought this would be a little bit more impressive like other than I mean he. He's consistently in the top ten at Augusta Throughout the eighties but the open championship Third T eighty four. Didn't really do a ton in the. Us Open I guess. T- four once music's top fives majors. That seems pretty. Good so I I had crenshaw on my my list of people to investigate I also want and he may be on the over appreciate side of his current partnership of crenshaw who all my goodness you kind of took the air out of the balloon just filling up there and I think oh I was gonna sit note. I was GONNA say I took. I took him off the list because he's basically built aid arguably even more successful second career for himself but I can't argue with. I give them maybe I WANNA give them credit for the body of where. He's an impressive individual. As if you look at everything but if we're talking about over appreciated as a golfer it's basically just like always the best part of all time. Just full stop like let's let's not even look into it anymore. I thought well. That's what they do with Ricky Yeah a little bit and I think the court as and tell me if I'm wrong architecture. Bang here tell me if I'm wrong. Does he get too much? Credit for the CORN CRENSHAW PARTNERSHIP OVER. Hardy who could teams fall? Yeah so that's my nation that's it's a compelling case partly people appreciate crenshaw beyond his and maybe this is the same argument with with couples to well beyond even as his architecture he just seems like such a genuine great. I have one more thing to add. There's someone else who thinks that Ben Crenshaw is certainly over appreciated it is the. Tsa agent at Hartsfield Jackson International Airport in two thousand fifteen good. The day. After the master's Monday I was I was in Atlanta for the masters at Augusta. I was leaving to go back to San Francisco. The security line was one of those just righteous scenes. Were it's rap. It's like an obstacle course. It's wrapping around everything you know snaking back and forth switch-backs everywhere and I see Ben Crenshaw and he goes to the pre check line thinking like not stand into that thing goes up gets the TSA later and it was literally a situation of like. Come here come here. Get them out of my face go. No you're not project you need to go back there and he stood there and the TSA lady was taller than she was kind of like imposing imposing on him and he was like he just kind of put his head down and walk to the back of the security line and I tried to line up while I was. I was at the back of the line as well as like. Oh my God it's Ben Crenshaw's like damn. He just got completely backed out. Like he's going to get into the regular security line with with the omid with me and I was trying to set it up where we would switch back and I could give you cousy. But it didn't work out. He was he was like not happy. You know because I'm sure a guy that used to fly in private and just at hartsfield-jackson man you're just one of the people so that changes my opinion on so maybe under appreciated by. Tsa But she thought he was over. I don't know who you are. Get Out of here. I'm trying to think who who maybe does slip through that. Tsa Line. I don't know I mean what's the cutoff talk? Maybe I don't know all right next up. Thank you deal. Four top of the USO. A So. I was thinking about crenshaw. You know what this is. One of my picks it was just similar. Justin Leonard is like the off brand store generic version no aspartame Ben Crenshaw of Crenshaw Kirkland signature storied amateur and call in collegiate career one major instead of two one beat up the Texas open if you on the Texas Open three times so I don't think he's over appreciated jarring to see that first guy is anybody who won the masters as their only major pre like one thousand nine hundred five so then crenshaw's on the list no once based in wisdom so you got clearly is Hamas Aaron Gay brewer because Archer Goalby. Now here's Craig Stadler and Larry Mize. I don't know and Fred Couples and I took all junior Claude harmon and Hermann Kaiser out of that mix because her because her too much they won pre nineteen sixty and I don't think they got as much run out of it but think about the guys like a Kuti or a wisdom or any of those guys every year. They've gone back to Augusta and they get so much more facetime because of it and then you know it's like it's exhausting a little bit. I love that I would feel a lot better if you'd pick one of those guys in single amount Wasn't woozy number. One in the world a long time. Yeah about a long time but you know what I'll say Craig Stadler his profiles probably the highest of those guys and And this is not a knock on Craig's dialer at all. It's just his profile. Maybe a little bit higher than the definition of accomplishments would indicate I all that brings up a really good point. I think one thing that goes towards over appreciation someone with a good nickname exactly in the Walrus is an example of that. I get to it next time but Fuzzy Zeller just the fact that his name is fuzzy or his nickname is bubba Watson. I think that goes a underappreciated in branding shaky getting a lot more run. Watson there's another common characteristic is pretty good looking good head of hair telegenic. I would say people are very jason biased against the bald. Exactly exactly Home Neil. You're you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA run into that now that you shave your head. Listen I've had. I went to store the day. It was just yeah. It's completely different through can get any service. Well that's the case at crenshaw. It's got a great head Harry. That's true all right. All right. That was interesting. Is The guy second nomination. Okay when I say best player to never win a major. Who Do you think of in History? Monte? I think of Monty. But it's probably not yeah Monte. Ernie Ernie Ernie who Ernie els you want. Yeah what am I think? I was thinking masters sorry. I was just like complete Masters Masters Study. Ernie Johnson was a total got blown up all of a sudden Africans. Were there like wait. Tony Jacklin not South African dude and then and then all these Europeans really like Tony. Jacklin was the whole concession thing with Nicholas Tony Jacklin which listen. I think the whole concession thing was mega overblown. I appreciate it. Definitely make a golf course in named after a pie got I've been getting lit up for my call. Andy Murray English he Scottish. Well that's a big distinct. I know messed up what you're saying you're like the. Best Golfer from Kentucky I should said British That's kind of what I guess we're matter. I got confirmation from folks in the UK that he was that the weight of the nation was on shoulders to win Wimbledon. He Wins He. Scott if you say dumb Shit Oh yeah anyway I just said some dumb shit lit up but I was thinking masters just to just to put that out there. Sorry though it's okay so Monte of course probably best player who Still playing Lee Westwood Lee Westwood on my investigation list. As well don't do this. We had our people look into to Lee. Westwood is sue. Oh over appreciate hell. Yes homeless man's Monte shouldn't even be in the same in the same stretch of all Monte one tour event. Well that's the only Chink in my armor but here to Robert derogates right. Did he win the Fedex year? That Robert He beat Barbara this and big big Carlson. Yeah he also won the Freeport McDermott. Classic which we know you love events like that Israel New Orleans okay so Westwood. Twenty-five tour wins very good. Honestly I thought it'd be way more than that. I thought it was like forty. Jomon like Monty has one thirty one on the euro tour Monte one that your player year four times the Order of Merit Eight Times Westwood Three time player of the year on the euro tour only two time order of Merit winner. And this is where I think The comparison really bifurcated if you will Monte five major runner-ups and heartbreaks. We're talking ninety four. Us Open lost in a playoff ninety five. Pg Lost Ninety four ninety seven US Open. He loses by one. Shot the two thousand six. Us Open of course makes double and loses by one shot. Westwood three major runner ups and his whole career. Three major runner ups so now just too less than Monte. None of them was he within three shots of the winner. Non-competitive runner ups. You hate lamb agers back-door moves. He sounds back door and some of them he could just a Lotta Times. She was kind of slowly backed out the door. Westwood has was ranked number one in the world for twenty two weeks total in his career. He's something Monte never as one of two players along with Luke Donald Your Boy T. C. To be ranked number one and never win a major Lee. Westwood spent three hundred and fifty four weeks in the official world. Golf ranking top. Ten three hundred fifty four weeks. And what does he have to show for it to? Pga Tour Wins Three major runner ups but the guy. I like the way you're going about it that you've defined over appreciated as dudes that people consider excellent golfers. But they don't win. Yes that's what I'm getting here. He's been a part of seven Ryder Cup teams His singles record is two and five. Those Ryder Cups Guys. Record is seventy two and four. This chicken leaning on his partners in that can win a singles match. I think my thesis for Lee Westwood Is. He's very good not great. I don't think he deserves to be in the conversation for best player to never win a major. I think You know I think oh no best current player when a major who else who else would be in that conversation like. I don't even know I don't know but it's Yucky. Ricki Ricki Ricki. Yeah like pick anybody like Bryson. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa poke some holes here okay. He has four Japan. Golf tour wins. I appreciate people to play worldwide. Who won the Sumitomo Visa Taiheiyo Masters three times the Dunlop Phoenix wants which is essentially as a WGC to me? Yeah he went back to tobacco to you. I though it is fame he won. He won the Sumitomo Masters. Ninety six ninety seven ninety eight. He wins the Oberg open and shit like that all the time. The fact that you're leading with. Yeah he won the Nedbank pedia through it only fourteen people in like six times like I read it all last night. He's got eight. Asian tour wins. This is the point of making the point. You're you're yourself running is. Is there a point where we his nineteen top tens in majors again? He has ever really top ten players like he's he's an exceptional player. Longevity has been has been you know. He's he's been on the blocks he's out exceptional. He's a lot for twenty years. If that was my whole thesis. Good not great. It's all along counting stats. Ac data appreciate it though. Yes yes rattled off like the best player to never win a major and I think that he He is in your initial reaction right. When I said Lee Westwood was like no very similar to Louis. There was a good chunk of time which thankfully has passed. Where same thing. Tuesday's of majors wins. He's GonNa Win Lee Westwood's GonNa win so have you guys not been watching. No He's not kidding me. He's a basketball player. That chasing the triple doubles chase. Triple trouble I mean. He's the baseball player who had a twenty one year career and hit two eighty compiled a lot of numbers. Long longevity should be clear. He's obviously most Gulf in the European tour but he's made two hundred and thirty nine career. Pga Tour starts. That's not a small amount. Also that's a lot. Yeah yeah he won the Fedex Saint Jude Classic wearing a ups logo. That's sick that's sick. I discover appreciation might be over. Appreciated Robert Karlsson. Also when that event I believe right I know he has his running. Maybe he's heavenly Westwood around similar footing. No because Robert Karlsson hasn't won twenty five times on the euro tour. To Your Point Randy I think obviously the the Westwood and Monte thing of their dominance on the European tour and inability to win on the PGA tour is glaring. It's clearing like you can't be that domino on the euro tour and tell me that means that much if you also can't win on the US tour yes thank you won twice on the USO tour in two hundred and thirty nine starts like that's a lot of starts starts. How do you want to get on female for winning once forty over over? He's got half his years span. That's that's almost one hundred of those are majors. Half as many wins as Ben Curtis an infinitely less majors than Ben Curtis. The limit does not exist. So compelling case. You're all right. We're going way off the reservation on this one. Free Your Mind. Love my next one. Not not to be constrained by any labels that we're talking about here is a golf person. Born February tenth nineteen forty five near Philadelphia. Got Into the game. Uncle was a golf course architect. His uncle George is exactly correct. I E C knows for sure. Tom Fazio is on my list. Let's figure out where to let's set up to Bona Fides here first of all More than two hundred courses to his name that doesn't even believe include all the reduce thrice been named Golf Digest. Best Modern Day. Golf architect In the way that that's not like a yearly thing that's just best modern architect and they just and they gave it to him. Listen WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA maybe poke some holes in Golf Digest's methodologies? Let's go into the Golf Digest. Twenty nine hundred twenty best golf courses in the United States. How many courses do we think the fawz originals in the United States this twenty nine hundred twenty twenty best in the United States? Top One hundred fourteen. Yeah I was GonNa Guess in the teens. I'll sixteen fantastic S. Thirteen thirteen that the falls has to his name in the United States As many golf wonks will No Golf Magazine. Just completely revamped its Process of how it names. It's it's world top. One hundred anyone care to guests and granted that thirteen was in the United States. How many in the world does in the Golf magazine rankings? Does the flaws have? That's kind of apples and oranges apples oranges. But I would think that I'd say three. To four zero zero. The falls is highest rankings in the new golf magazine. He has to which are listed in alphabetical order. Not even Why is it apples to oranges? Wants the world and one is the. Us What are those two adult creek and shadow creek or no Wade? Hampton connery both made the next best fifty but in alphabetical order. Now that's when you know they're you know. Now maybe if you WANNA GET CHEEKY. You can list him. As a CO designer of places like Pine Valley and Augusta National. I think that would be disingenuous. Best Golf Mag really really cleaned it up golfing whereas golf digest on on this I didn't look at their world. Top One hundred. It was hard to find or navigate the website but on their top one hundred they had they had enlisted as an architect on Pine Valley Augusta oakmont Riviera Oakhill spyglass and Monterey peninsula's shorts. Which I know he's the name that comes to mind when you think of all of those places he's just pissing on everything they had him. Wade Hampton at Number Twenty Five Shadow creek at twenty six veal Ocean Club at number thirty one. Gaza ranch thirty two Victorian National forty-three Butler national. Which he did with his uncle. George at forty seven. Dallas National Sixty five the Estonia Club at seventy the quarry LAKISHA. Seventy seven Hudson National Eighty one Diamond Creek Ninety springhill golf course I believe it was ninety one in the preserve golf course Ninety six none of those carried over into the the new revamped golf magazine list which I thought was again. It's apples and oranges. But you would think that you know where where I'm getting at two two two tie a on this is when you really If you give people a list of names casual golf fans a list of random names and he said circle. The golf course architect. Tom Fazio gotta believe is going to be the name that that get circled the most and I feel like I have this conversation many many many times with people. Tc yourself included where it's Kinda like. Okay the falls is you know. He's he's prolific can can deny that and his golf courses are like very good but what is best one and it's always turns into like. Yeah I don't really. I'm the one who I talk about this whole time on the other from your stamp. Yeah look after you get detonated by renaissance. You're saying I was saying exact opposite. I mean I just wrote an article in Golfers Journal. About how Fauzia is the proprietor of the cheesecake factory. Exactly do you want to unpack that at all? I you know if you're an art person he's like Thomas. Kincaid of golf course architecture just kind of a period piece. Nobody's better at growing grasses and doing like growing grass drainage detectable elements of the job and probably giving clients what they want. Exactly part of it is like these clients didn't know any better. Yeah gave them exactly what they wanted? And you know and and did it probably over budget years where I think he's most over appreciated is there is a group of guys where this this thing actually matters in falls does not in in this group which is hey do you wanna go play. Blah Blah Blah. 'cause like people will say that as like. Hey that's a great as a Fuzzy. You should play all of them. It's a good one though. It's not even that it's like. Oh Yeah it's a fuzzy like they've got a new fazio course there. Ooh means absolutely nothing to me. Like there might be some okay ones but have you said there's a new core crenshaw course there. I'd be like let's go play. I'm GonNa see what they did this guy that I think has benefited from an interesting name is exactly right. I'll Fosse Tom. Fazio sounds very sounds exotic. Kind of your house. I think fuzzy was a far better architect than reese. Jones had the cheesecake. Take though well it's not for journal pits. Not Bad. Wouldn't even call five zero bat. You're never going to have a bad meal there in Jones. I would say two months later. You're not going to remember what you had creek next week and you can i. Can I go over there? I rave about the conditioning. I can remember three or four holes every time I play it. I can't remember the rest of the course. It's just a bunch of medium length for that run together with a bunch of big man you drainage basins and that's exactly where I'm at. This is not not meant to be woke architecture guy. It's not meant to be any of that. It's the point. Is I think Mr Nicholas and Mr Fawzia have to your point. Sally benefited more from the like quote unquote signature design than anybody else. Right place right time. I think the The output as you're seeing a lot of them you know be redone or blown up or whatever. Yeah I just don't think the output really matches the panache but the comfort stations. We can debate that on another another pot very good. I didn't know we were going outside of players. But that's that's well done that works. I I did then. I realized it was over appreciated golfers so I it's a little disingenuous. He plays golf though fast. Exactly and he loves Chablis. I'm expecting to gain no fans with my next one It pains me. It hurt. It was more and more damning. The more I uncovered. You're a real beauty. I am three. Pga Tour Wins Twenty. Two career top. Tens he only had one hundred twenty two career starts. He's remembered very fast. It's Anthony Kim. Why he's remembered very fondly because of the Ryder Cup situation. You think that has a lot to drive up the swag pollen tiger t dub the bell buckles the Nike Sponsorship. He was he was marketed. Won twice in two thousand eight and then one once more in twenty and twenty two career top tens remember that number as we get kind of go through so after he comes out hot he only has nine total top. Tens is next three years after the two win season. He never made the tour championship after two thousand eight so was never in the top thirty before the last event of the year other than the year he won twice. I could have been protests Fedex. So we're going to do a quick little comparison okay. Hundred twenty two career starts again. Twenty two top ten. This person had in his first one. Twenty six starts had thirty three top. Ten's who might that be a young American player while you're staring so intently at me? So it's ricky. How many wins in that period? Ricky had In his first one hundred forty seven starts he had as many wins as Aka had in one twenty two to twenty five extra starts. But that's what how long it took him to get to three wins. Jt I one hundred thirteen starts which is less than a case whole career. He won nine times. Gts wealth winds one hundred forty five starts but how many full field only twenty three more Starts Than Aka? Nine more wins. Speech won eleven of his first one. Hundred nineteen species. Though you gotta remember Brayson won five of his first hundred. Bryson God right. I almost put Bryce in over-appreciated would not I would have to. Yeah there were. There will be some fighting go. So here's a here's another another one guy still playing still a top player in the game. He won three times in his first hundred and fourteen starts and had twenty five top. Ten's he's American. He's in his mid thirties. Now played on several Ryder Cup teams Major Webb Simpson case. Anthony Kim is essentially Webb Simpson with swagger Michael. Nobody has ever like all God if we still had webb. Simpson you know. No one would say that about Webb Simpson. But their records are extremely similar. I think that might even be offensive to absorb it might say. I think you're giving them way to start to the career. Once you get to a major I mean this is pre web winning a major but yeah as first hundred and fourteen twenty five top ten three wins so I love the case. I mean listen. Nobody love the guy more than me. I don't even really remember him that well I just. The idea of him is great. And the the record doesn't match up he was not speed he was not jt he was not bracing. He was not even ricky. He's essentially web coming out and website. An excellent career but I think people think of Anthony Kim more in the speed and JT bucket. I say over appreciate it could go along with. What if because he was the great one of the Great? What if but it speaks to and coming on the scene hot is really a factor. There's two sides to the what if also true every you know exactly. It's the thing but it could have got a lot worse. The what if was not just like Oh. If he would've stayed healthy would have done all these things like. Maybe not. Maybe what? His game wasn't. It was not extremely extremely polished. Yeah yes very explosive. That's a great term. He's like one of those those wide receivers that you know he's raw. He just ran a four. To seven at the combat areas would be Martavis Bryant. That's Ted Ginn. Ted Can had a long career though thinks overrated games college highlight tape takes us. Every fantasies always boomer Bush guy anyway art case. I have a few options. We feel and you'll fill out the room a little bit okay. I'M GONNA stick with with what I mentioned earlier because I brought up Fuzzy Zeller in the case is two time major winner. Both majors were wanting to play off and he was crowned a bit. He won the nineteen eighty-four. Us Open in the playoff over who? We don't know who the guy is yet. So I don't know Fuzzy Zoeller. Oh sorry sorry because you said Oh seventy seven that's nineteen eighty-four. Us Open played I think it was played at wing foot or Shinnecock. I don't know I can't look it up but we went over it in a pass. Podcast RE FLOYD NO SHARK SHARK. Sure so the Shark. Kinda came back. Field Kinda crowned him. He was. He was the Saturday leader and then at Augusta Nineteen seventy-nine was ED. Sneed incidents actually go. So he was six strokes behind. Fuzzies first masters appearance. I another guy who got a lot of run out of coming back to Augusta your. That's what that's what I'm getting at one. He he kinda got crowned with the majors. So he's kind of right place right time really interesting name C. O. Fuzzies on the leaderboard definitely got some. Burn out of that vodka mogul. Yes also known as one liners knowns rated scripted comedy career. Yeah say but I would also say got some some run an audience. Fuzzy being fuzzy. But he's he's he's a great player understand like one of the best guys out. He just missed the room there. He thought he was safe at Augusta completely races. Coming a total of ten. Pga Tour Wins. I just not. It's not a lot. It's not a lot and I think he he comes onto. The scene wins his first masters and again kind of just ride that into maybe not a great sunset technically one three majors WANNA senior. Pga The hall of fame. Good question he also won the skins game. What's the criteria? When you add a second major is there was supposed to be like fifteen wins and in one major major. Don't watch myself He filed defamation lawsuit against Joseph Similarly Associates. Look like somebody put something in his wikipedia page. That wasn't true coming from their computers. If suggested that he committed acts of alcohol. Drug domestic abuse and Yeah they settled out of court. You could see someone for so. Hopefully I'm just saying over-appreciated nothing more nothing less that's get sued. That's just that you know I would not have all of you agree with me. I've heard some good stories like that. Go beyond the Omaha. This guy used to just get shit faced until jokes like some good interesting stories about fuzzy all right next up. Tc Oh man. There's a lot of different directions. I can go with this one. Aren't there just to. I still don't understand how you how do you come up with these lists? There's there's many many Jersians he's at the MATICA. There's eight different kids from fourteen to fifteen year old driver chip and talk about that. I didn't even. I didn't even think about that. All right we're going to do it here. This guy was born in nineteen fifty in Evanston Illinois greenkeeper for Awhile. Kinda need a little more. He's one at&T PEBBLE BEACH PRO-AM BILL. Murray Bill Murray the pro or the AM side. Has anybody ever gotten more fucking mileage? Bill Murray I love. This is really good so here. He's a golfer. One hundred percent over appreciate it. I wanted to in the Gulf war fantastic. Take as long as we're talking about bill. Murray the Golfer. Yeah I think bill. Murray the actors still underrated. Yeah I agree I agree. Yeah I think he's become silver appreciating his golf stuff that has overshadowed Zini clown on the golf course. I think that might be the best case we've heard so far that's saint-amour. Tc rely it from the squad. That is that's great. That's great. I've said this a bunch on the pot I know but when you're at pebble and he's going around doing his thing like people are so into it. I know how nails on the chalkboard is on the telecast and how like grading it is but people legitimately love it I get why tournament directors love having them out. I don't know if you get signing that at like I was just the Media Day in Charleston but like Lasalle I saw firsthand detonated me. That was sick. People lose their shit would he's around. They do. Which if you go through that for your whole life I think it kind of turns you into something and he was just not up for it. I wanted to ask me some questions on cameras sheets immediate to be on. Yeah it was I'm then he did the same thing that the local news station. Fifteen minutes after me once when I was working at the tour as well as I was asking them for just like a dumb like instagram. Like do you think he's looking for somebody to punch back or Alpha and a little bit now in the moment on my God. That sucks like I like. He's like my favorite actor. And you just like bodied me. Then I looked at it again. I was like man. Imagine being like super famous like. Would you wanna be on like someone? You don't knows instagram. Like no probably not so okay. I understand that I percents that he's doing it on behalf of the PGA Tour for. I don't know that he really was interested. In grasping the context of of the request. All right fine around Randy. Oh final round. My Final Guy is Greens keeper by the way or Caddy caddy's actual greenkeeper. What a world of catty. My final guys. At thirty five year old American it's been ranked number one in the world for ninety one cumulative weeks fifth all-time only trailing tiger. Greg Norman Rory and Nick Faldo DJ DJ races. I'm ready. How could the greatest player of all time you? That's I'm so glad you said that. That's my exact thesis is if we're to accept the DJ at one time on this one shot on one shot in a singular moment in time as player. I would say one person has is. I wouldn't say if we are to accept that my whole cases right now at this instant right now. Dj's most over-appreciated Golfer. Maybe of all time based on what based on one major four runner ups three of those pretty non-competitive runner ups. You have the two thousand eleven British the Twenty Nineteen Masters and PGA where you know it was just kind of back door. Eleven British was competitive. He hit a ball. Ob on fourteen that basically 'cause the tournament I think okay I'll give you that Guy Feasts on only a handful of courses which I know. You don't like that in your golfers you'd like to see them win on a wide variety likes it. When it fits is arguing. He also plays internationally agreed. Played well one in Saudi Arabia. Globalist by the thrust of I case comes down to you know if we look at his company. I found the ranked number one in the world for ninety one weeks. Like let's just look at his company. Nick Faldo is directly ahead of him. Faldo was ranked number one in the world for ninety seven weeks He of course has six majors. Rory has been ranked number one in the world for one hundred one weeks in his career. Of course four majors. I think honestly I think. Dj's heading if there's like. He's the Greg Norman. Norman was ranked number one for three hundred thirty one. Norman was I mean. If we're talking about this Greg Norman's got his own wine. Label designed business. I don't see Dustin Johnson having any of that no no. I mean I think you know. He just done He he's going to have again he's a he's a guy that's gotten out of. Maybe the most talent you wanted to make this personal. I just think if if we're GONNA keep harping on him being the greatest player of all time again. Not We we. We need to accept that he's also probably the most over-appreciated guy Maybe of all time as well. I thought about them. I couldn't I didn't know where I landed on that other than like. I think we almost under appreciate his talent but also his his. The fact is only one one major. So there's there's an argument to be made on both sides of that coin because I think we brought them up as underappreciated like you said solely for the just the sheer amount of talent he has you almost forget about it and his longevity but I think ran makes a strong case for over appreciated in twenty twenty two top twenty to top twenty five majors at a forty two seems pretty good. I'm looking I'm looking for more winds though like at some point you've got to win. Hey he's only only majors because he does win elsewhere. He's only thirty five. What about your on select tracks Mickelson? He didn't first major till he was. How how old thirty three thirty three so? Dj's you know DJ. That's and winning a tariff. And if we want to do this pot again and three years I will happily walk back. Take if he wins three or four more majors. Do you have anything to say about the eighteenth hole the seventy second hole That's where I am not. I don't think it's necessarily one shot. It could be one shot many different times but I think over that one hole for sure you give them the whole. Yeah whole ever played which no response. It's closed off a bit more. No that's cool. I mean maybe the most talented guy of all time. That's what he can point to. He played one really exceptional hole. Golf Tournament Seventy two exceptional young seventy one exception holes in surgical outstanding one one tournament so I think he's a little over appreciated topic. It's a good take on all right. Stick with me on this one. I'm going to have some explaining to do but may always a good sign. He was born may twenty seventh. Nineteen twelve in Ashford Virginia. Is He still with us? Sam SNEAD SAM SNEAD IT IS. I know where it is. It's the major or sorry. It's the it's the PGA tour wins record is what we're really going after here. And the reason we're fighting on behalf of my client tiger woods who has been put into a unfair race for the last five years of his career. Here trying to catch this. Sam snead wins record which is a tough scene. When would you know but the point is like? That's what's kept Sam snead kind of in the appreciated context Sam. Snead fantastic player. One hundred forty one professional wins including seven majors in Randy. Says he's the best player of all time. Nothing could be nothing to sneeze at certainly always looking for game. He's a fantastic player. Hyperfocused during wartime though. We're hyper focused on here. Much like bill. Murray the golfers that of Bill Murray. The actor is this tour. Wins record which it's really through no fault of his own that he's been attributed These victories but In his his eighty two. Pga Tour Wins that has for the last however many years since they kind of cooked this up as the gold standard on the PGA tour Included in those five four-ball wins where he just had a partner. Three thirty six wins one. Eighteen hole win and four wins at the palm. Beach Round. Robin what is the Palm Beach Round Robin? You may ask. Let me pull up that wikipedia page. The field consisted of fifteen players. They would play. They would play the hero world check. They would play seven rounds. And those don't count for Tiger. They would play seven rounds and five threesomes a total of one hundred and twenty six holes. A player earned or lost points on each hole in match play style based on his score versus two opponents for that round. So you gotTa plus one for every hole you want an a minus one for every hole you lost and I guess at. After one hundred and twenty six calls he added up who had the most pluses and minuses. And that was your champion. So anyways four of his wins were those and. That's just a very cursory glance at the events that were included in this but tiger he can only play the scheduling could play though for sure. But he's over appreciate it because due to some people in in a research room who I th you can dig into this but I think the tour has been pretty open about like. Yeah when we had to. A lot of these weren't official. Pj Tour Victories because the PGA tour didn't exist back then so we had just kind of go through the records and pick like. I guess that one's good. That one's not good. That one counts. That one doesn't count the pulpy round. Robin counted what didn't catch exactly. And that's where my whole thesis here is like we. We need to just call cat the winningest player in the history of the PGA Tour. And be done with it and until that happens. I won't rest. Also has a food and beverage establishment at our local Jackson airport. Exactly Yeah I guess that you know that design check speech that he possibly designed parts of Jack. Another example of the masters. The first tee shot kept him. Yeah you know his name. Very top major. Yes y'all Golfer. Though I think the best wing not to say I'm not saying it wasn't deserved that. He got the honorary I he shot but it just kept on top of mind. Yeah definitely so is one of the all time greats absolutely is the winds record. Kind of bullshit yes are. I'm just going to name this next one. I'm going to ask a question along with it. It's GT Rodriguez. Took my last one damage. We're on the same wavelength here. Yeah we all together. You can't to this than how many PGA tour wins for Hall of Famer Chichi Rubs Hall of Famer. He's a hall of Famer. Nine eight close. He has eight no majors. Seven other wins worldwide. It wasn't even a worldwide win thing. He has fifteen champion's tour. Wins he in the hall of fame when he was fifty seven? Laney didn't get into fifty nine. Four top tens in majors total finishes on t six and T ten lanes. The linney ones are twenty one times and a major in didn't into fifty nine. Tj Rodriguez got anyone who's fifty seven so we're putting the fame and hall of fame. I honestly don't know like they don't on the website they don't like profile as to why somebody the records is why. They've got an I. I would like to add to that. Okay he's the first Puerto Rican to be putting the PGA Tour Hall of fame and it fits the rags to riches story for the PGA gag with absolutely nothing. When in the armed services? We used to play golf as much as he could. Whenever we got days off just you know the whole story line for the PGA is just couldn't it's like made for TV. Plus he was on record as well. Yep plus the nickname so feeds into my nickname theory. Yeah like he was always the sort. He's always jousting on the green. So it's it's I I was GONNA say no disrespect to Mr Rodriguez though disrespecting about to disrespect them. There's a lot of people that if you ask who's a golfer from the seventies or the sixties they'd be like oh. I got Cheech Chichi. Gt Rodriguez was because of the antics. Not Because of the golf game I think that's GT's like one of the first golfers I ever knew exactly because he was on TV in the late eighties early nineties. I would guess he won. Twenty eight times based on his profile twenty two times on the senior tour. Like that's I thought it was fifteen times on the senior. Fifteen champion's tour wins his nine hundred twenty two senior PGA tour. I got that wrong. His nineteen eighty seven campaign on the senior. Tour was incredible. Just incredible you know. What is his senior tour? Playoff record was one in seven. Yeah anyways that's a good one. That's my case. Actually I have a backup. Okay do you ever see the video of him getting hit the Crotch by that ricochet creates an Alzheimer share? That will show people we. It is hall of fame and yeah famous like so cool but over over appreciate okay. Currently number seventy one in the official world golf rankings of other players that are below at the top one hundred. How many other people have their own podcast hearts. Go more than you'd think Pepperell has one. Tony Female has one. I thought it was just rory research. Max Homa everybody in this room as well. You know who you are. Doering in the claimed series strapped has his own podcast getting just blown up all the time on social media covering up on my feet or done I just come get cover a golf digest coming up my feed roasted people swings. He's one once he's won one time one time. Geez lost his. Torque is one one time and getting some mileage. It's unbelievable appreciate the korn-ferry tour. He's over fifty champion packed. Watch listen amateur career professional careers here. So if anything he's he's underachieve versus talent. That's what I'm saying. Goes to Randy's theory as well fleet over appreciated and were guilty of it and we need to knock it off Maxima. Thank you cable. You go there that's disgusting. I'm trying I'm trying to do Absolutely detonate our podcast. Rival did become all right couple of different directions. That go with this. I want you guys popular stance possibly can now. I thought about a way to say like cat. Overrated is or over. Appreciate it all that kind stuff. He's not. I looked tried to blow up a woman I couldn't I couldn't find any. 'cause none of the females are over appreciated binders full of women. Even like I was like all right like Lexi. Let's dive in it. Lexi's wants a lodge major all the women in the hall of fame like they're they're all pretty deserving and and you know actually going back to the what is i. I didn't realize Laurino only won two majors you know. Maybe I'm over. Appreciating her kind of in that. In that vein. I kind of wanted to go thought about doing great norman. Sergio I did. I did as well but the guy that I just keep coming back to. I think he I think he stinks is. Hunter may hand like I wanted to do. Okay I thought about kind of injury too because Ken Venturi. You know one major got a ton of mileage out he was kind of the reverse of the Johnny Miller. You know people forgot how good johnny was like people really look more fondly upon venture his career. I wanted to do ricky and then the more I kept coming at is I was like man like like Hunter. May Han is. He's made so much money all the money. Golf boys friendly fire. He was a golf boy. He had all these sponsorships. And all that for what's monster energy drinks. I believe like why So that's you know what the resume. Yes he's thirty seven years old now to his Chris. Getting to be pretty fully baked. Dj's thirty five and we're hours it's convenient come on in the world like here in the last twenty four months. I would not that I think. One hundred million dozens careers are trending in opposite directions. Right now I will have you know. Dj hasn't won in the United States since June of two thousand eighteen like under two years all right the Texas State High School Golf Champion Nine Hundred Ninety nine. Us junior champion went to USC transferred to Oklahoma State. I didn't know that I think a lot of these Oklahoma state guys. There's a there's a there's a a whiff of overrated nece permeating from Oklahoma state. They come up with a lot of cachet like Ohio state. Quarterbacks you could say Peter Peter Yulon potentially overrated. Maybe they're like Wisconsin. Running backs You know mayhem turned professional in two thousand. Three is first. Pga Tour victory was in two thousand seven at the travelers championship. I lifted him in the top. One hundred he has talked tens and all four major championships so give credit for is sponsors. Include under armour titleist paying biosteel netjets foot club face golf. Rbc IN ACE hardware. Like you remember those ace hardware and it was right as his career tanked that as thing he ever did was Dinnie. Wd As a thirty six liter. One time because I feel he's never been the same since then. It's true why did he? Wd I think his wife was going on labor which I don't knock him but I feel like since then he was such a heater world-beater then like not the majors necessarily. But I keep one debuted prolific winner. Yeah made Ryder Cup teams all that I just. I don't know it just doesn't he was so like counted as this like top ten marketable player in the world. I just don't think he had your resume. That's a hugh I thought about mayhem. Also for the reason or maybe the worst sunglass game tough of all time I mean duval but dogs but like may handle waiter free. Yeah White Hater. Blockers were tough. Look at some of that. Wore white hair blockers. In this time period I have to say big influence on me still. I raising his hand alone. That that's on me not proud of it but there's you've ever pair picks a way to say yes bell. Oh Yeah for sure for sure before we will down his anybody. WanNa throw any. I haven't won. It's GonNa be unpopular at this table. Can we talk about three maze? Three majors what has he done for me. Lately is he. Is he running the credit card bill up without putting any money in the bank? We have talked about it. Put a lot of money in the bake. I think day accounts. GotTa be flushed for Awhile. I won't be having any of this. It nothing so. I thought it would be remiss if we didn't have at least everyone is I get it. I love speed. Everyone is much. Everyone's properly appreciating how far he's fallen like nobody is still like he's still great. Everyone's you know what I mean. It's not that's fair exciting by the dialogue. I'm looking at getting by on a pass resume. I got an unpopular one. Two majors is where I'm going with. This forty two European tour wins. Just the two majors when you look at the guy the list of guys with two majors his name sticks out as Gosh you had to have had more there at the same course. Augusta National Jose. Maria awful no BEC- say that's a lot of Europeans? Lot Of Euro. Wins like over? Forty champion's tour wins. Longer Bernard longer I would say area appreciated because of switching and is longevity you played great and British open and masters still recently. He's got a lot of burn appreciation. He's feeling the burn. You look that listed to come Padraig Harrington Scott more majors than you like that and hurts. A little which Padraig Harrington garnered some shots in under appreciated from people. I don't. I don't fully buy that. They were asterisks majors. Right now okay. I'm I'm kind of getting the kind of not there was they. Were catling majors short spurt. Then you win majors that I've that's different things for of course I've cautioned about what bernards doing with his putter to say also poulter. Yeah the three wins in two hundred and seventy six. Pga Tour starts. If you're going to the postmen do that. I'm GonNa need more than that. But he's also lived. Rent free in your head for the last shouldn't be there. He shouldn't sober appreciate it. Randi brought up. Sergio didn't didn't excuse me. I think Sergio makes a case for being overrated. One major over appreciated over sorry Well I would say over. Yeah maybe overrated. I think he's now. I guess I would say the both right like let's look at it so I wouldn't say that precisely five professional wins ten. Pga Tour Victories. One major twenty three top tens in majors. I would have thought more the passion in vivacious NECE. I don't think it's aged all that well. With with incidents in in recent years haven't seen much from after the masters but like you know if you asked somebody that doesn't play golf to name a International Golfer. He probably would be him. Rory I think would be wanting to. Yeah I think so is that I think he's again sprinting. On the scene and everybody was like ready to crown. It's tiger over the next decade. I think he's he's definitely in the long list. I think he's he's done enough on the euro tour and he's one of the PGA tour won't Major. He's done a bunch of the Ryder Cup. I think he I think he falls outside the top fifteen. But I had to do when you talk about old. Tom Morris was I looked long and hard only four majors compared to his son like he got just crop dusted by Sun. But you gotta look at the architecture stuff Unpopular one possibly. Who would you say is the most popular player in the world outside a tiger and fill the mcrib? I looked at them. They need to talk about the mcrib. Sure two of his majors shouldn't count as majors. Why is that congressional is? It was disgusting. And then you know you know Kia was was not was not a good situation. You've rory's in my crosshairs but this is this is much really in the last couple of years. You know it's rory it's DJ. I think as much as a pain speed but I still maintain speed is like. He's the goat. He's he's going to figure it out one other guy. I'd like to nominate based on. Randy's underappreciated submission and Ben Curtis. I'd like to nominate growl with the same amount of wins. Is someone like Ben. Curtis who doesn't get any burn someone like McDowell gets you know it's like Oh God you know g Max back baby like he's so suave as you know like this Guy Irish. Ya Lots of personality a lot to be said and for the you know rocket pink all the time and just always you know looking dapper. That's an interesting to you Paul. Casey's a guy that's that's a good. Oh Yeah I can we. Can we acknowledge it like ricky? I'm very proud everybody. I think it's just obvious. I don't think we really as you know. This quarantine is operatives. I've said my piece and your block I didn't want to get. I think. Females is alert really over appreciated. Right now which we've are. You GonNa win this year zero. How's that seven weeks I I I lo- bigger window? Now forget the mega season. Hey I'd like to. I'd like to point out just going back to some of the accusations. Being thrown around about guys not winning stateside. How many non majors did nick? Faldo win stateside. Four three really has a different era. The heritage Durell and how many star lay who can say no more than Westwood down. Let's whittle it down just one quick shout out and doing all this research just WanNa just probably doesn't need to be said but any chance we get to acknowledge the PG websites complete trash and also. It's the it's the strap boys encyclopedia just being a lack of golf database just continues to confound me. Yeah it's because the PJ tortoise. I WanNa play Nice with others. Yeah let's let down all right. We're going around the list as I believe the order was Charles Schwartz and Louis from raining I in round one tron. Who'd you haven't around one It's a good question. I have all the masters down to stab believe Craig Stadler Neil. You had crenshaw gentlemen. I had Fred couple Fred Couples. But just know note for posterity's sake that statler plus. Stadler is a figurehead. He's a representative cat. Go Round two was Lee Westwood Lee. Westwood that's my my favorite moment from the don't do this Tron Bill Murray scores. You had the fires. Tom Fazio ahead. Fuzzy identity. Kim Rainy had done at this specific point in time in in accord with PC's theory of relativity it was it was the Yang to his If we are picturing the universe as TC does that. I had Toronto at Hunter may hand correct so I was at that specific point in time fifteen minutes ago. What about this specific point in time rory right now neil had Max Homa in the final? I sure did yes. Assault had SAM SNEAD'S WIN RECORD. Also just want to say in full disclosure the shot. I just logged at the tour website. We this is coming from a place of terrible. We haven't updated. Listen it's GonNa Change but yet to do that man on on on that all right well. Let's start whittling down as you guys know the drill by now. I need to just your shortlist or not. Shortlist candidates don't need to hear much more than that much Charles Schwartz. Yes or no shortlists. No shortlist no for me. No for me now. Have the votes paired them with Louis? I think Louis stays in shortlist for me. Sure see I think the opposite guys running Schwartz? Good to know you don't have the votes statler as a figurehead. Plus others yes on taking it. Kinda helps set up a couple of my guys because I think it'll be a debate. I would say yes. I'll I'll give you. I'll throw you as a figurehead. Plus others crenshaw is no from me no I liked Neal's presentation I'll say yes to yes for me. I'll say yes to the shortlist. He's on the short list. I don't know if he's going to win out. But Fred couples got to be unanimous gaseous Lee Westwood Emphatic. All capture. Yes for me yes you know. I have a TC. I'm going to abstain to support. The Cardi brothers remained united. I didn't vote bill. Murray the Golfer Golfer unanimous yes. Tom Fazio yes. I would say yes to yes. Positives on the list got it. We're going to do some wiggling here fellas. Is it five zero the golfer though because I don't know voting yes without the architect okay? It doesn't fit the criteria I'm saying is IOS and a Pasi. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on my list of top five overrated golfers. I what his games. Maybe he's a good Wexler Facia. He's been removed from the consideration. But it's noted. It is noted that you can lead a late more Burke Hyphen Golfer. Actually he's a what if got Fuzzy Zeller up saying no. He's a no for me. I say yes I why for you. We have a lot of names on the final five. I'M GONNA say no doesn't have the vote. I'm sorry to Anthony Kim Big Time. Yes for me. I'm GONNA say yes. Yes Dustin Johnson Right now. Not Right now though. I'm going to say no Jerry. You you're on record was yesterday in present for the vote and I would like to vote. Yes but it doesn't matter okay. Thank you Hundred Mahan feels kind of random shot. I'm going to say I mean TC made at ease. Got A compelling case. Do you hear a lot of people. Well listen I don't want to record this in two thousand twelve. Yes or like two thousand fourteen. I'm with you see under appreciated too close. Maybe like two thousand six hundred. Seventy eight commercial. I think he's I think he's he's already been buried yet. He's not at this point. It's like man what happened to that guy so it's going to be a no for me. Dog Max Homa yes. Yes yes your accent. A Golfer. The diner boys with does that present that to the jury he lost. He lost a match. The dire boys. Damning Evidence Chichi Rodriguez. I think an absolute yes. Yes yes yes with the nature of the exercise. We're doing SAM SNEAD's win record. I I'M GONNA if we're going to throw this out because Golfer Samways Sam snead's win record the Golfer. I don't know that I can even play by the rules. I'll hand up on that one. All right we've got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten. We only willie knocked out five. Oh a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. I don't know if you guys have any particular order you'd like to go in. I don't know if we will. Maybe we should. We duck a couple that I think you're right couples in for a couple of days in but he's definitely I think Bill Murray's in do we have a unanimous Kornmann Fred Couples and Bill Murray. I don't know if we'd unanimous on Bill Maher yet because we may end up with kind of like you know what let's stick with professionals could be kind of vein of couples who like yeah. We're not saying bill. Yes I think. I don't think we're saying bill. Murray sucks at Gulf. Which is what we just went down to with fuzzy. Oh interesting what we're saying. He's over in the game of golf for his play for his participation in golf okay. Let's come back to Bill Murray. Okay I'm looking at this list and calculating the votes that that we've had and I'm looking for someone we can knock out. I think we can. I think we can rally the votes to knockout statler plus others. Yes of all those guys were overrated because of their one masters victory was the timeframe again before I vote like one thousand nine hundred sixty to ninety nine ninety five ninety five yep and again before you vote. I believe the criteria was guys who won the masters in that timeframe as their only career. Major I mean companies also got a lot of run out of it. Couples has gotten twenty extra years of TC on the vote yes TC list is on the list. You'll get to know I know but I'm sick or a and B. It's it's. It's helped all these guys I loved. I think that I you have me. I'm with you I'm a no. I'm a noma hard now. Sorry bad guys. Those guys got more out of one win. If it would have been distilled down to one serve to make the shortlist. Their place in history on the shortlist has been noted. Okay again. I'm just trying to knock guys out I feel like can anybody vote no with me on Ben Crenshaw crenshaw possibly over appreciated in his current career real quick. I'll vote no majors. Two majors in one thousand nine career. Pga Tour Wins in a thriving. Industry Changing Golf Design Company. All right going back going back to make it more credit than he's due. I WANNA switch it from stadler. Charles coody is the poster child is and it does that. Would anybody like to change their vote? No Cudi Cudi Won. The Masters won the Cleveland off. Shit else sloppy lawyering. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go on crenshaw do we have the votes crenshaw to eliminate crenshaw yes all you woke architecture guys all right. I don't know who else we're knocking out. I do. We have the votes. Where do people stand Louisan Schwartz word? Yes but it's no. I think I think Louis is I kind of REC- I duNno appreciate that. I'd like to nominate to eliminate Max Homa. It was fun. We got him. We got him to the shortlist. I would say before this year. You can make that case but he legit has played some incredible golf this year but has he won. He hasn't won but I would narrow it down to that. I think he he was willing his way. Guys appreciate it when we're talking about the history the entire history with you. It was fun but the diner boys know the diner will put Bacon on the list. We currently have six people for four spots which means we need to knock out to. Let's let's cement another one. I've I'm feeling a lot of support. A lot of patronizing of Chichi Rodriguez at his entire his entire existence. Do we have corum to move him to a on. Chichi to the the finalists. Yes yes yes the yeses have it. I would say even a stronger CASE FOR AKA. I would vote. Yes with the ANEKA. Yes we wanted to cement over appreciate. Ah Put it okay an AK so on the list we have left. We've got to four. We've our current four for two situation Larussa and Lee Westwood Bill Murray and Dustin Johnson I thought. Dj got eliminated not yet DJ was eliminated. I thought yeah I thought it was you and either voted. Yes I think you're right. You're right three for to Westwood Bill Murray. I think it's more dramatic by one here so let's see who stays INS. Well let's back into it. Can I get anymore? Yes is fairly Westwood. I got to firm lines also I think it was a compelling case. Westwood Westwood. Hell Yeah Hell. Yeah I do want to make clear that my westwood annoyance aside for the last fifteen years I have greatly enjoyed his entire stick over the last two or three. I think it can't be appreciated enough. He was GONNA skip the players to go to a horse race. So that let the record. Greg is no no reflection of him saying with gentlemen I have no no I was just trying to make my case that potentially so for the final spot on the most over appreciated golfers of all time we have a toss up a coin flip between Lewiston Bill Murray. Where would we like to start? I'll say Bill Murray because I just don't think I would say Louis stays over appreciated. I agree I'm I'm voting. Bill Murray as well Bill Murray. Okay yeah that's what you get for Dick to me on the range of the country you guys. You guys just got bodied. I think that's you guys are just a little vindictive still logo for his first Golf Collection. So that that's probably. There's there's all over this table to grind. I don't I don't I don't begrudge them that because it's an actual photograph sure so it's not like they understand that but I think the spirit of the law and letter of the law or two different things. I just think a lot of their stuff stinks since. There's that to say a lot of good things about rushmore. Though who's a great movie I would like to say like bill? Murray actor I enjoy. I had no issues bill. Murray actor arts are finalised. Fred couples. Chichi Rodriguez Anthony. Kim Lee Westwood Bill. Murray the most over-appreciated golfers mini golf. Golf say even for Bill Murray and for Chichi I think over appreciated to no fault of their own and what I mean by that is like the. It's just like they shove the bill. Murray stuff in my face like he's not asking for that but he's with Fred couples as well house. Any of these guys are are asking for any of this. You know fame like like like how Tommy Bolt in the hall of fame. You want fifteen times one major. That's literally the criteria. That's you automatically get the Lavar. Yeah something like that. Yeah so what a disgrace okay. I guess that's what we're leaving a wrapping it at that. Thank you for listening to over-appreciated players. We will be back with an interview podcast on Sunday night and some more fun stuff. Next week's well cheers Peter Wright club. Today that's better than most about. It is better than most expected thing.
Mark Cannizzaro, NY Post
"This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy SCHAAP. This would have been the week the masters this would have been the week. When all is would have been on tiger woods trying to defend the title he miraculously one in twenty nineteen after a decade of not. Winning majors winning his fifteenth at the twenty nine thousand nine masters but of course there is no masters now it has been scheduled for November. We welcome to the show. Somebody who's been covering the masters for many many decades. His new book is seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the master's Marquette Zero always a pleasure to have you on the show. Jeremy that to be with you how you doing. I'M GONNA managing and I hope you're doing the same of course you're planning To be in Georgia this week instead. Your your home in New Jersey You what was your reaction when you heard i. The masters was being postponed and then that it was being rescheduled for November. Well I'll tell you everything happens so fast here. I mean. I was down the Players Championship at Jacksonville when you know when they suddenly canceled event after the first round and the next thing. I know I'm taking the first flight back to New York and it just seems like it's been whirlwind since then and this. You know this entire crisis is you know is elevated by the minute it seems like so everything has changed all of our worlds and obviously the sports world and the golf world you know just came to a halt and the masters was the first. It's really essentially as soon as the PGA tour You know suspended. It's it's you know right around the time of PGA tour suspended. Its play The masters was the first of the four majors to say. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA take a pause and spend and you know. Their words were postponement. Which at that time was you know felt I don't WanNa say reassuring but at least there was a sliver of positively to it in that they weren't cancelling it So at that point we just kind of waited to see how where we're gonNA fall and with Augusta you really can't play during the summertime because it's just. It's you know that he was too oppressive in in Augusta Georgia. And you know. Essentially the club closes down from From the end of end of May until mid October so the speculation immediately ran to having a master's sometime late fall So the only time I really made sense really was late October early November. So obviously on on Monday of this week they announced that it would be you know the week in November ninth and You know I think as long as we're on the other side of this you know this virus and we're able to conduct sporting events. It could be a magnificent event in November. It'll be fascinating you know for it to be different TIME SLOT. It'll be a little cooler Scores maybe not be won't be good because the winds will be up but You know I think it's GonNa be fascinating to see unfold. You know if indeed it does. I think with all the governing bodies of golf yesterday on Monday you know everybody kind of reset the schedule and I think every one of them did it with fingers crossed the open championship cancelled but the PGA the US Open the Masters rescheduled for later in the year. We're speaking with Marquette zero. The Eminent Golf writer whose new book is seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the masters who terrific book and Mark. Before we get to the specifics of the book. He'll how do you think is positioned to to whether the corona virus crisis? It's obviously a sport. In which social distancing from the perspective of the athletes themselves can be practiced fairly easily. Well what what happens to golf now? Jeremy I think of all of the professional sports I think golf has the the best chance to to carry on because of that it's not a contact sport You know the players and caddies and the you know the officials can all be a proper distance apart. I think what's interesting with golf? Is I think. Golf is the one sport that I can see having becoming a television. Only event with no with no spectators Easiest And you know obviously. Nobody wants to see that. But I think we're also star for sports right now. We'll take anything I mean. At this point you know. People are betting on video. Nba Games right. So you know we all want live. Sports in some manner and Tennis in Russia. Yeah so I think what's happened with golf now and they have not announced anything. There's a lot of speculation you know the PGA tour came out on Monday and said that they were you know they essentially were hoping to continue their schedule. Starting sometime in June and that to me sounds really soon I mean I don't WanNa be a pessimist but I can't imagine that we are going to be at a point in any of our major sports. Jeremy We're worth fans are going to be in arenas and on golf courses as soon as it just shocked and we're hearing a really. They're really just moving moving targets. I mean a none. None of it can possibly be set in stone now. No nothing set in stone and listening is fluid every day but But I think with regard to your question about the Gulf the Gulf can take place as television. Event Without Spectator is much easier much more manageable. I should say probably than any other sport. Because it's not a contact sport You know if you're watching television you know you're unless you're watching the masters and even then you can't really hear the roars you know if you're at Augusta the wars are you know as you know from being down there you know. The roar isn't much the fabric of the entire tournament there but on television. You know it's not like watching. Nca tournament basketball game or something like that or the or an NFL game. Where you know you can feel the vibe of the fans you know through the television set. Golf is not necessarily like that off as a kind of a quiet. Watch if you will so I think that golf can absolutely survive without fans you know in on its courses and I think that's in that way I think it probably is going to get going. You know maybe in June and it will take place without spectators for how long that takes place. I don't know it's interesting. Jeremy I you know I was. I was listening to Andy North. You know our good friend and colleague and On on Scott Van Pelt show last night and he said he his his sentiment. Was that a golf tournament. Should not take place if there can't be fans there if you can't just conduct it normally and I love anti the death but I completely disagree with him. I think we are so starved for sports. Live sports I any golf fan would sign up right. This second to watch golf with no spectators on the golf course and if that's the way it has to be for however long it has to be you know we'll all sign up for speaking with Mark Cannizzaro who writes about golf and other things for the New York. Post has done so for decades. His new book is seven days in get seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the masters And Mark. What about golf other in other parts of the world You know we we've seen if there are other parts of the world where the shutdown on the sports landscape Was delayed longer than it was here. There are other places presumably where it will be up and running sooner What do we know about how the other tours around the world feel about Resuming play at this point. Well for starters obviously as we reference the British Open Cancelled on Monday So you know that's a worldwide international event Although at this point the entire PGA tour is a world tour to a large degree but You know it's it's different everywhere even in the metropolitan area here where we both lived. Jeremy. It's different I mean. There are many golf courses. That are open. I'm not talking about professional golf. The Golf Courses People playing golf in Westchester County. And you know the New York State Public. Cork courses are open. The New York State Park Horses. Bethpage's open. I don't think I knew that I'm in New Jersey and there's not a single course open New Jersey. They're all they're all closed in Jersey but many of them are open in New York. It's just so you know and From what I'm hearing. There is some open in Connecticut but but so it really is a very It varies everywhere and You Know I. I don't know what's going on all around the world but I do know that you know. Most most anything that has to do with any professional golf is in a pause right now until further notice. I do want to talk about your book as well though we had a conversation about your book a number of weeks ago that we were planning to air this week to coincide with the masters of course We scrap that because the whole world has changed in the time since we last spoke But when you think about what makes the Special what are the first things that come to mind well? The first thing is really annoying. Things that I'm missing desperately right now as we as we sit here and speak I would have flown down there by Sunday night and begun writing on Monday and I'd be in full fledge. You know Column Writing Mowed Down There Right now and to me the most special thing about it is the tradition that takes place down there. There's and I talked about a lot in the book. There's there's it's the one major championship that's played in the same place every year. Jeremy as you know and and you know there are certain things to take place. In fact I construct book that way to some degree. The seven days. We're basically began yesterday Monday and go right through Sunday which the final round. And you know tonight. For example Tuesday. Night as we're speaking is is is the annual championship dinner. Where you know. All the past champions get together in the previous year's champion hosts the dinner and and and and decides menu and whatnot You know Wednesday is the par three tournament Part of the contest which is just a special kind of sidelight with the creates. A lot of memories there You know Thursday morning leading into the opening round is the the ceremonial first tee shot. And they've all of a sudden you know several times come out and and and Kinda get kicked tournament off so to speak. When I first started covering the tournament it was Sam Snead Byron Nelson and Gene Sarazen. Then that you know those gentlemen passed away. And then it became Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer and Gary Player Obviously Arnie is passed away. And now it's Jack and Gary that's just as those are special moments to me You know and You know the one thing about the masters and and I think it was to me. It was the genesis of this book. And Jeremy 'cause you you know that none of us can get onto Augusta and play the golf course. 'cause it's one of the most exclusive places in the planet and The other thing is the golf tournament itself. It's the hardest ticket and sports to acquire so most people most sports fans and go offense for them. The masters is almost kind of this mythical mystical event. That's a television event. So I tried to blend things in that. I've seen in the twenty five masters I've covered on the golf course. We've all watched and seen on live. You Know Tiger Woods winning ninety seven and changing the landscape of the game and Phil Mickelson winning and four's first major after forty something you know majors failing Norman collapsing and ninety six. You know right on down the LINE RIGHT UP TO LAST YEARS. Tiger winning his fifth is fifth. Green jacket so I try to blend some of that stuff into some of the stuff that goes on around the tournament that you don't see MTV. What's inside the Butler cap? You know what goes on under the big oak tree you know about side. The clubhouse were movers and Shakers Schmooze all week. What goes on in the town John. Daly's signing womens boobs and butts with an outside of the hooters down at his. Rv You know so things like that. I just try to bring people into it because they don't really see that watching it on television speaking with Marquette Zero. His new book is seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the master's and as we spoke about last time in an interview that will probably now never see the light of day but will be archived in the National Broadcasting Museum. I'm sure We talked about the fact. That eight is Unique among golf's majors you know. This is obvious. It's the only one words in the same place every year. The way that the tennis majors are in the same place every year in. So Wimbledon has that Aura Roland Garros has that aura There are other places that regularly play host to the other majors. Us opened the PGA. The Oh the British open but but it's the only one where there every year that makes a big difference too. It makes a massive difference that was one of the first observations Phil Mickelson made. When I spoke to him he actually wrote the forward to the book which was pretty cool. And you know what I was trying to kind of talk to fill about. What makes what sets the masters apart. It was exactly what you just said. He's you know he talked about the fact that history is made at that very golf course every year for the last. You know you know X. amount of years and you know you mentioned Wimbledon for example. I'm a massive tennis guy myself. You mentioned Wimbledon and Roland Garros and US Open. I used to go to abuse open when it was back and forth hills days The difference is with Augusta. You've got historic moments. That have taken place in different years on different golf holes on that golf course that people remember whether it's incredible you know chip in. Tiger made you know on sixteen with Verne. Lundquist call You know you name it. You know the the part that that Nicholas made eighty six you know to seize the moment Sixteen so there's historic moments. That have happened all around those grounds on different parts of it that have become Laura you know of that of that tournament and Every year there's something new a new piece history that's made and You know that to me is what sets it apart and that was the first observation. That film made as to what sets apart? Because it's just it's it's the same place every year in history is made at that place every single year and we all refer back to it. You know when something takes place on a whole we we you know we say oh well you know that's where so and so did such and such you know years from now we'll talk about twelve and Augusta. Amen Corner which is where tiger seize the moment last year when Molinari put the ball in the water you know so did so to Tony fee now and And kept as well and those guys all you know ruin their chances of winning the green jacket and Tiger seize that moment and charged ahead and ended up winning his wife and for years? We'll be talking about that so there's always something you know Fred Couples as ball in ninety two sitting up on the bank. There you know raise creek. You know getting an amazing lucky break. So there's so many things there that we refer back to and that's what sets it apart. Steve Marquess zero more. Before I let you go it's always fun talking with you Who's your favorite? We know the great you mentioned. Many the great ones the couples and the Faldo's The tigers and Jack and so on who's your favorite obscure winner of the Masters. I would say. Probably my favorite obscure winter. And this is coming from the ones that I've covered okay When Charles when Charles Schwartz will one African South African It that tournament. People don't really remember what he did that I he be burning out from from fifteen in to win that golf tournament and Enough to buy some vowels which were missing from his name. Yes yes so and Charles. Its shero okay right But I mean I would say that probably would be you know one but I think if there's if there's one of all time and I didn't cover it and it's hard to call them obscure because he was he's an Augusta native but really the greatest obscure winner of all time at Augusta's Larry Mize and eighty seven. You know and that's essentially. Unfortunately I don't see unfortunately but I mean in a bad way. But that's all Larry's really known for is winning the Masters and chipping in to beat Greg Norman in a playoff on the eleventh hole and I mean he came from nowhere. You know and I've got a great anecdote in the book. Actually from a friend of Larry's who grew up with Larry who owns t-bone the speak iconic steakhouse. That's right down the street from Augusta National And it's it's the unofficial nineteenth hole. Gusta because all the caddies and the fans and everybody jamming their Masters Week and mark. Who's the owner there? He grew up with With with with my eyes and he and he used to him and his buddies laugh at my eyes and say you know all that guy wants to is hit balls at the reins doesn't want to chase girls and drink beer. He's just out banging balls at the practice range all day. What does he think he's going to win the masters one day and that's literally what he said when they were in high school. And you know having you know having there was you know there. He was winning in an Augusta native when in the nineteen eighty seven. So I think that's probably even though I didn't cover I wish I did That's you know without question that has to be the greatest. And he's one of the classiest sweetest man on the planet M- is is so I would probably put that above all for that. The answer to your question on that well. We hope This conversation for our listeners has has whetted their appetites or maybe just satiated them because they're not getting the masters they were hoping for this week So many great stories from our Cannizzaro in his new book seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the master's mark. Let's let's all hope that we are doing this November in having another conversation about Augusta. Jeremy thanks for having me and I absolutely hope we talking. Remember if not before and And stay safe. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN APP. Beginning at six. Am Eastern time. Geico presents not again another voicemail from your roommate. Hey man so I was in a rush to get to work in the back door open. Kaji shut it. I lifted wide open. While you're there could you also turn off the oven and all of the burners? My mom never let me use the oven. I wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. 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The Sporting Life: 4/10/20
"Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy Shabby over the next hour. Nba Agent Todd. Rams are cautions that we shouldn't bring sports back too soon and people turn the sports in times of crisis and and miss crisis to not have. Sports is one thing but to kind of be teased with sports returning and then to have it end again that could be a significant blow to morale overall sauce. Goth writer Marquette Zero explains why hosting the masters in November could be a positive for the sport as long as we're on the other side of this virus and we're able to conduct sporting events it could be a magnificent event in November. It'll be fascinating you know for it to be in a different time slot. It'll be a little cooler scores. Maybe not won't be as good because all the winds will be up also historian Jim Knowles recalls the greatest season and army basketball history west point had never been in that called me to take a look back and I came across this great run. They had less point. Nine hundred. Forty four was undefeated and thought. Well there must be a story there. Why would they not gone and played in the nit or the NCAA tournament? This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy SCHAAP. Welcome to another edition of the sporting life. Later in the show we'll be speaking with Mark Cannizzaro the longtime golf writer about his new book about the Masters which is being published even at a time in which of course we know. The masters has been postponed until November. But we start with a prominent NBA agent. Todd Rams are hoping to get an update on what's going on from an insider the world of professional basketball todd. Thank you for joining us. Jeremy thanks for having me on. How's everything on your own? We're we're doing okay here it's You know we're we're staying safe. I live in suburban Connecticut. I know you're in southern California How are things with you you know? Every everything is Is Good for the most part. I think just like Most of US trying to make the most out of the circumstances you know few weeks ago. I think it was march twelfth. Whatever that Wednesday was We that that you know remarkable scene With go bear and Oklahoma City and the season shutting down that night as I recall or maybe maybe it was the next day. It seems like a million years ago. Now sports has come to a standstill as has so much else in the rhythms of our daily lives. At how would you describe it? You represent Some prominent players including Pascal Dot Com and Thomas Bryant Kevon looney it in the inside world of the NBA. Our people looking at things right now. Oh well that's You know I it's IT'S A. It's a great question Jeremy Because Obviously I think for all of us that have a responsibility or have our day jobs. You know. There's there's that responsibility there where we're looking at this crisis you know in terms of You know what our roles and responsibilities are there and then there's also you know You know our personal roles and responsibilities where I think exactly whether it'd be executives players or even agents like myself where we're also concerned for our own health and safety as well as our families so there's a there's a number of things I think that are crossing our minds on a on a daily basis as As this crisis continues to evolve but it's I guess it's it's all circumstantial in terms of what the what the the thoughts are speaking. Todd Rams are at the agent for several prominent NBA players And we heard todd from Adam silver Just in the last couple of days. Basically saying we can't really have a plan now because there is simply too much uncertainty. We don't know what's happening With the virus We don't have a vaccine obviously so when people are asking questions When we get back to play he admits or he says there are no answers. Right now But I'm sure there are contingency plans. So how'd you wrap your head around all of this uncertainty? I think looking at at both options right. And and without uncertainty going over those options with our clients and then even for me just trying to better understand you know what the issues are that the League the Union and the and everyone else involved is is facing. You know when I say the two options it's either the season is going to resume at some point In the near future in the near future could be you know six eight weeks from now or the season is GonNa be forced to To be cancelled because to Adams point this crisis and the and the information around is so fluid and changing. You know you don't want to announce that the season is gonNA resume today face a problem where it's going to have to end Before it even starts or begins because I think that would Not only be a blow to the League but I think for fans to that could be a bit You know disheartening Based on the circumstances because I think fans and and people turned the sports In Times of crisis in this crisis did not have sports Is One thing but to be pleased with sports returning and then to have it end again That could be That could be a significant blow to morale overall. We're speaking with todd. Rams are an agent represents several prominent NBA players. But you have a longer clientele list as well. How many guys you represent who were playing overseas before sports got shut down approximately thirty five in how many countries off. The top of my head I would say at least at least ten countries. Wow you know. All countries throughout throughout Europe and Asia. How did you help manage this When when you know not only trying to be safe leagues you know had had different strategies about when they should shut down but then the complications of getting back home to the US. If they were getting back home that that must have been challenging. Yeah you know what I do Jeremy. In in times of crisis or or or even times that are in and solutions need to be found is like I really try to put myself in my clients shoes and by doing that I can look at their set of in in in this case this crisis you know. Look at the country. They're in look at how that country or that team What type of medical resources? They may have you know understanding my client and any in in talking Understanding their concerns that they may have for their family back here in the states or even understanding. What state that they may be? It'd be living in Here in the US and just try understand the understand. The full scope You know to avoid anything That could potentially be You know more harmful for them. You know back then which would have been in the coming weeks so it. In a lot of cases Jeremy I just went to the teams and ended up bringing a lot of my clients home. Because you know Looking at China where the the outbreak I began looking at how Europe was escalating At the time it was It was a fairly easy decision to make knowing that it was just a matter of time before it would hit the US escalate here as well as other parts of the world. Pascal one of your most prominent clients most improved player in the League. Last year could have been the most improved player in the league this year. And certainly the raptors hopes of repeating as champion are resting on his shoulders to some some degree. He's from Cameroon. He plays in Canada What are his concerns right now? A beyond Beyond the concerns that we all have you know. That's a great question. Jeremy I don't know if there if there is any concerns beyond I think what the rest of us may be feeling He's healthy feeling. Good is his family is is healthy and safe right now and I know you about his teammates. Everyone's good bear team personnel. So I think he's just anxiously awaiting you know To to see the light I guess you could say at the end of the tunnel in terms of what's next right. What's next in terms of this season? Resuming or is turning his sights. You know to To next season whenever that may begin and then overall just being sensitive to you know what's going on in society you know how that that impacts him directly but also how could be voice you know for you know to give you know some people in society some hope because as I mentioned earlier you know. Oftentimes I think we turn the sports Or some levels celebrity for just You know some thoughtful words or or even some guidance in Pascal heavily involved in the community those are things that he's looking at in terms of whether it be PSA's or or even though you can't be hands on there in the community Speaking to some initiatives That may need some intact tension in some light drawn to it Based on this call the nineteen and how it's impacting society at all different levels and then and in different ways before we let you go. What are people saying about the possibility of a and baseball kinda floated this idea to some extent of playing games without fans? Yeah I mean this is purely my opinion Jeremy. I think as it relates to know fans if the NBA is looking to resume the season. This year. I don't think we really have a choice. because Obviously we we talk about social distancing the more fans that you have in a confined space and we know how arenas or stadiums or set up. It's it's well within that six feet of Distancing so you know just for the safety of the fans as well as the safety of the players and team personnel. Everyone involved I think it's it's without question that the Games can't be played Without any fans present at least initially until they have a certain protocol in place or this virus Subsides quite a bit where everyone's confidence to return back to arenas but in the near future in my opinion in near future being in the next few months I don't see that happening. Todd thank you for joining us. Really appreciate your insights. Please stay safe and we'd love to have you back on the show in the future. Thanks for having me Jeremy and you do the same. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. This would have been the week of the masters this would have been the week. All eyes would have been on tiger woods trying to defend the title. He miraculously one in twenty nine thousand nine after a decade of not winning majors winning his fifteenth at the two thousand Nineteen Masters but of course there is no masters now it has been scheduled for November. We welcome to the show. Somebody who's been covering the masters for many many decades. His new book is seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the master's Marquette Zero always a pleasure sir to have you on the show. Jeremy with you how you doing anything You know a managing and and I hope you're doing the same of course you're planning To be in Georgia this week instead. You're you're at home in New Jersey. you oh. What was your reaction when you heard? I The masters was being postponed. And then that it was being rescheduled for November. Well I'll tell you everything happens so fast here. I mean. I was down the Players Championship in Jacksonville when You know when they suddenly canceled the event after the first round. And the you know the next thing I know I'm taking a you know the first flight back to New York and it just seems like it's been whirlwind since then and this. You know this entire crisis is you know is elevated by the minute it seems like so everything has changed and all of our worlds and obviously the sports world and the golf world you know just came to a halt and The masters was the first really essentially as soon as the PGA tour You know suspended. It's it's right around the time. Pga Tour suspended. Its play The masters was the first of the four majors to say. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA take a pause and suspend their words were postponement. Which at that time was you know? Felt I don't WanNa say reassuring but at least there was a sliver of positively to it in that they weren't cancelling it So at that point we just kind of waited to see our the chips were gonNA fall and with Augusta. You really can't play during the summertime because it's just. It's you know the the heat is too oppressive in Augusta Georgia. And you know. Essentially the club closes down from From the end of end of May until the mid October so the the speculation immediately ran to having a master's sometime late fall So the only time I really made sense really. Was You know late October early? November so obviously on on Monday of this week if you know they announced that it would be you know that we can November ninth and You know I think as long as we're on the other side of this you know this virus and we're able to conduct sporting events. It could be a magnificent event in November. It'll be fascinating you know for it to be in a different time slot. It'll be a little cooler Scores maybe not be won't be as good because the winds will be up but You know I think it's GonNa be fascinating to see unfold. You know if indeed it does I think with all the the governing bodies of golf yesterday on Monday you know everybody kind of reset the schedule and I think every one of them did it with fingers crossed the open championship cancelled with the PGA the US Open the Masters rescheduled for later in the year. We're speaking with Marquette zero. The Eminent Golf writer whose new book is seven days. Augusta behind the scenes at the masters who terrific Book Mark. Before we get to the specifics of the book he will. How do you think golf is position to To weather the corona virus crisis. It's obviously a sport. In which social distancing from the perspective of the athletes themselves can be practiced fairly easily. What happens to golf now? Jeremy I think of all of the professional sports I think golf has the the best chance to to carry on because of that. It's not a context You know the players and caddies and the you know the officials can be a proper distance apart. I think what's interesting here with golf? Is I think. Golf is the one sport that I can see having becoming television. Only event with no with no spectators easiest And you know. Obviously nobody wants to see that. But I think we're also star for sports right now. We'll take anything I mean. At this point you know. People are betting on video. Nba Games right. So you know we all want live. Sports in some manner and Tennis in Russia. Yeah so I think what's happened with golf now and they have not announced anything. There's a lot of speculation you know the PGA tour came out on Monday and said that they were you know they essentially were hoping to continue their schedule. Starting sometime in June and that to me sounds really soon I mean I don't want to be a pessimist but I can't imagine that we are going to be at a point. In any of our major sports jeremy were fans are going to be in arenas and on golf courses as soon as tune it just. I was just shocked at these dates. Were hearing are really? They're really just moving moving targets. I mean a none. None of it can possibly be set in stone now. I know nothing set in stone and unless things fluid every day but But I think with regard to your question about the Gulf. I think the Gulf can take place as television. Event Without Spectator is much easier much more manageable. I should say probably than any other sport. Because it's not a contact sport You know if you're watching television you know you're unless you're watching the masters and even then you can't really hear the roars you know if you're at Augusta the rose or you know as you know from being down there you know. The rules are much the fabric of the entire tournament there but on television. You know it's not like watching an NCAA tournament basketball game or something like that or the or an NFL game where you know you could feel the vibe of the fans you know through the television set. Golf is not necessarily like that off. It's kind of a quiet watch if you will so I think that golf can absolutely survive without fan. You know in in in on its courses and I think that's in that way I think probably is GonNa get going. You know maybe in June and it will take place without spectators for how long that takes place. I don't know it's interesting. Jeremy I you know I was. I was listening to Andy North. You know our good friend and colleague and On on Scott Van Pelt show last night and he said he his his sentiment. Was that a golf tournament. Should not take place if there can't be fans there if you can't just conducted normally and I love anti the death but I completely disagree with him. I think we are so starved for sports. Live sports I the any golf fan would sign up right. This second to watch golf with no spectators on the golf course and If that's the way it has to be for however long it has to be you know will all sign up for it speaker with Marquette Zero. Who writes about golf and other things for the New York Post and has done so for decades? His new book is seven days and get seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the masters And Mark What about golf other in other parts of the world You know we we've seen in the there are other parts of the world where the shutdown on the sports landscape was delayed longer than it was here. There are other places presumably where it will be up in running sooner What do we know about how the other tours around the world feel about a resuming play at this point? Well for starters obviously as we referenced. The British Open cancelled on Monday So you know that's a worldwide international event Although at this point you know the entire. Pga Tour is a world tour to a large degree but You know it's it's different everywhere even in the metropolitan area here where we both lived Jeremy. It's different I mean. There are many golf courses. That are open. I'm not talking about you. Know Professional Golf. The Golf Courses People playing golf in Westchester County. And you know the New York State. Public core courses are open. The New York State Park courses bethpage's open. Are they really? I don't think I knew that I'm in New Jersey and there's not a single course open in New Jersey. They're all they're all closed in Jersey but many of them are open in New York. Yeah it's just so you know and From what I'm hearing. There is some open in Connecticut but so it really is very It varies everywhere and You Know I. I don't know what's going on all around the world But I do know that you know most most anything that hasn't been any professional golfers a pause right now until further notice. I want to talk about your book as well though we had a conversation about your book. A number of weeks ago that we were planning to air this week to coincide with the masters of course We scrap that because the whole world has changed in the time since we last spoke But when you think about what makes the masters special. What are the first things that come to mind? Well the first things really and the things that I'm missing desperately right now as we S- as he was here and speak I would have flown down there by Sunday night and begun writing on Monday and I'd be in full fledge. You know Column Writing Mowed Down There Right now and to me the most special thing about it is the tradition that takes place down there. There's and I talked about a lot in the book. There's there's it's the one major championship played in the same place every year. Jeremy as you know and and you know there are certain things that take place in fact. I construct book that way to some degrees seven days. We're basically began yesterday Monday and go right through Sunday. Which is the final round. And you know tonight for example. The Tuesday night as we're speaking Is is the is the annual champions dinner where you know all the past champions get together in the previous year's champion hosts the dinner and and and and decides menu and whatnot You know Wednesday is the par-three tournament Part of the contest which is just a special kind of sidelight with the creates. A lot of memories there You know Thursday morning. Leading into the opening round is the ceremonial first. Tee Shot. Also several of the old timers come out and and and kind of get kicked the tournament off so to speak. When I first started covering the tournament it was snead Byron Nelson and Gene Sarazen. Then that you know those gentlemen passed away. And then it became Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer and Gary Player Obviously aren't has passed away. Now it's Jack and Gary that's just those are special moments to me You know and you know the one thing about the masters and I think it was to me. It was the genesis of this book. And Jeremy. 'cause you know that none of us can get onto Augusta and play the golf course because it's one of the most exclusive places in the planet and and The other thing is the golf tournament itself. It's the hardest ticket sports to acquire so most people most sports fans and go fence for them. The masters is almost kind of this mythical mystical event. It's a television event so I tried to blend things in that. I've seen in the twenty five masters I've covered on the golf course that we've all watched and seen live you know? Tiger Woods winning a ninety seven and changing the landscape of the game and Phil Mickelson winning in his first major after forty. Something you know majors. Failing you know collapsing ninety six. You know right on down the LINE UP TO LAST YEARS. Tiger winning his fifth his his fifth green jacket so I try to blend some of that stuff into some of the stuff that goes on around the tournament. The don't see in TV. What's inside the Butler capital? You know what goes on under the big oak tree you know about side. The clubhouse were movers and Shakers Schmooze all week. What goes on in the town John. Daly you know signing womens boobs and butts an outside of the hooters down it's is harvey. You know so things like that. I just try to bring people into it because they don't really see that watching it on television marquette zero. His new book is seven days. Augusta behind the scenes at the master's and as we spoke about last time in an interview that will probably now never see the light of day but will be archived in the National Broadcasting Museum. I'm sure We talked about the fact that it is Unique among golf's majors you know. This is obvious. It's the only one where it's in the same place every year. The way that the tennis majors are in the same place every year. So Wimbledon has that aura in Roland. Garros has that Aura There are other places that regularly play host to the other majors. Us opened the PGA the British Open. But but it's the only one where there every year that makes a big difference too. It makes a massive difference that was one of the first observations Phil Mickelson made when I spoke to him and he actually wrote the forward to the book which was pretty cool and You know what I was trying to kind of talk to fill about. What makes what sets the masters apart. It was exactly what you just said. He's you know he talked about the fact that history is made at that very golf course every year for the last. You know you know X. amount of years and you know you mentioned Wimbledon for example. I'm a massive tennis guy myself. You know you mentioned women Roland Garros and US Open. They used to go to the. Us Open when it was back and forth hills days The difference is with Augusta. You've got historic moments. That have taken place in different years on different golf holes on that golf course that people remember whether it's that incredible you know chip in the Tiger made you know on sixteen you know with Verne. Lundquist call You know you name it. You know the the part that Nicholas made in eighty six you know to seize the moment on sixteen So there's historic moments. That have happened all around those grounds on different parts of it. That have become a lure. You know you know that For that tournament and Every year there's something new a new piece history that's made and You know that to me is what sets it apart and that was the first observation. That film made as to what sets it apart. Because it's just it's it's at the same place every year. History is made at that place every single year and we all refer back to it. You know when something takes place on a whole we. We say we know that's where so and so did such and such you know years from now we'll talk about twelve at Augusta Amen Corner which is where tiger seize the moment last year when when Molinari put the ball in the water you know so did so to Tony fee now and And kept as well and those guys all you know ruin their chances of winning the green jacket and Tiger seize that moment and charged ahead and ended up winning his fifth? You know it's and for years we'll be talking about that so there's always something you know Fred Couples Bowl and ninety two sitting up on the bank there at raise creek. You know. Get an amazing lucky break. So there's so many things there that we refer back to and that's what sets it apart before I let you go. It's always fun talking with you. WHO's your favorite. We know the great you mentioned. Many the great ones the couples and the Faldo's and the Tigers and and Jack and so. Who's your favorite obscure winner of the Masters I would say probably my favorite obscure winner and this is coming from the ones that I've covered. Okay When Charles when Charles Schwartz will one South African South African That tournament people don't really remember what he did. I he burning out from from fifteen to win that golf tournament and Enough to buy some vowels which were missing from his name. Yes yes so and it's not Charles. It's Charl okay but I mean I would say that probably would be you know one but I think if there's if there's one of all time and I didn't cover it and and and it's hard to call them obscure because he was. He's an Augusta native but really the greatest obscure winner of all time. In Augusta's Larry Mize and eighty seven. You know and that's essentially on for I don't see unfortunately but I mean in a bad way. But that's all Larry's really known for is winning the Masters and chipping in to beat Greg Norman in a playoff on the eleventh hole and he came from nowhere. You know and I've got a great anecdote in the book. Actually from a friend of Larry's who grew up with Larry who owns T. bones the iconic steakhouse. That's right down the street from Augusta National and it's it's the unofficial nineteenth hole at Augusta because all the caddies and the fans and everybody jamming their Masters Week and mark. Who's the owner there? He grew up with With with with my eyes and he and he used to him and his buddies laugh at my eyes and say you know all that guy wants to do is hit balls at the reins. He doesn't want to chase girls and drink beer. He's just out banging balls at the rainy day. What does he think he's going to win the masters one day and that's literally what he said when they were in high school. And you know having you know having there was you know. There was winning in an Augusta Native. Win The masters in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. So I think that's probably even though I didn't cover it. I wish I did That's you know without question has to be the greatest. And he's one of the classiest sweetest Matama planet is is so I would probably put that above all for that. The answer to your question that we hope This conversation for our listeners has Has WANTED THEIR APPETITES. Were or maybe satiated them because they're not getting the masters they were hoping for this week So many great stories from our Ken Azero in his new book. Seven days in Augusta behind the scenes at the masters mark. Let's let's all hope. We are doing this November and have another conversation about Augusta. Jeremy thanks for having me and I absolutely hope we do November if not before and And STAY SAFE. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. A lot of people are familiar with the story of the Great Army football teams of the mid nineteen forties the teams in particular nineteen forty. Four one thousand nine four five in one thousand nine hundred forty six coached by Red Blake and led by the back. Toback heisman trophy winners. Mystery inside doc. Blanchard missed outside. Glenn Davis those were some of the greatest college football teams ever and some of the most celebrated college football teams ever a lesser known. Story is the nineteen forty four army basketball team which was undefeated and is the subject of a new book by Jim. Knowles historian slash attorney in West Point graduate himself from the class of nineteen ninety. The book is undefeated. West Point's perfect season one thousand nine hundred forty four from basketball to battle and it is a pleasure to welcome to the show. Jim knows Jim. Thank you for being with us. Thanks for having me glad to be on the show Jim you graduated from West Point as I said forty six years after this one thousand nine hundred forty four basketball season you've written about sports you've written about military history as well. What led you to this subject exactly. Well I've got to admit I was filling out my office. Bracket March madness not too long ago and it just the halls B think gee I wonder West Point ever made it to the tournament and I found out with a little bit of googling around. But what's pointed never been to the NC Double A. Tournament. In fact if I believe they are one of the four original Division One teams that have never made it to the tournament. I believe that includes Saint Francis perhaps and then sit elder William and Mary There's a little caveat to that would maybe we can talk about later. But anyways they'd never made it and you know so it's really an unhappy distinction. Not even when Kevin Houston was playing. He was one of my favorites. He was he was around your time. That's right he was there when I was there. And he led the nation in scoring. Yeah Yeah Great. Guy And boy fun player to watch. But that's right even not with him and so I thought I saw would never may now. They've been to the it a couple of times but had never actually played in the in the tournament. I'd even Bob Knight got them to the NCAA tournament. You're saying well. That's the thing I understand that. They were invited one year under nights tenure but he thought they had a better chance in the nit so he turned down the NC Double A. Went to the nit and and what's point loss in the first round? But these things happen but Anyways West Point had never been in and that caused me to take a look back at some of the the wreckers just to see you know. Did they ever come close? And I came across this great run. They had in nineteen forty. Four nineteen forty five when West? Point in nineteen forty four was undefeated and I thought well true. There must be a story there. Why would they have not gone and played in the nit or the NC Double A. Tournament? Then and that was sort of the genocide that that question and then all digging around. Was Jim with book. What made this team special. What what what was the key to its success in that That remarkable year nineteen forty three nineteen forty four They're playing basketball as Dwight. Eisenhower's in London planning the invasion of North West Europe So much is going on obviously with the world at war. What what made this team special to me? It was special because this team had been five and ten the previous year so they've they've gone from really struggling and there are lots of good reasons for this team to be struggling back into the nineteen forty three season. But what happened was that Down at Fordham coach named Ed Kelleher found himself without a basketball team when Fordham shut down its basketball program for the duration of the war and Ed Kelleher was recognized. It's just I mean he's sort of forgotten character these days but he was recognized back then is just one of the deans of of of college basketball. In fact he was the president of the College Basketball Association Cup College Basketball Coaches Association. I'm probably messing up the title precisely. But he's the president of the Association Back then for two years so he was a really well. Respected Guy had coached at Fordham for something like twenty years and all of a sudden he found himself without a job in the summer of nineteen forty three and west point scarf him up so they brought up. Kelleher to West Point to be the coach in her. Just institute's a a very tough fast paced fast break offense coupled with just stifling defense and that's a huge factor in it. The other part of it is I think he just had west point had some great athletes as starters on that team The three fellows that profile who were seniors and then to Underclassmen who actually played football players as well Doug Kenna Dale Hall so happy combination of a great coach and some great athletes athletes all coming together. We're speaking with Jim Knowles. He's the author of a new book. Undefeated West Point's perfect season nineteen forty four from basketball to battle and you mentioned of the focus on a few of these players Who were playing for Kelleher? Nineteen forty three nineteen forty four When there were at that point what about ten million American men in uniform Women to but at one point by the end of the war twelve million Americans In Uniform Fighting War Two And these guys the seniors know what awaits them When they graduate. How did that play out? During the course of the season as as they've got basketball to think about it and they know they know that as soon as they graduate commissioned as second lieutenants. They're going right into the war. One thing is you've got to go back in and remember that these guys plebes. They were freshmen. At West Point Injured in the summer of nineteen forty one so they were plebes when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because they skipped one year. They were put on an accelerated graduation program. That's right yeah yeah they. These guys were originally the class of nineteen forty five so I think a big dining. That's something to keep in mind here. One they experienced hearing about Pearl Harbor while Plebes at West Point and I mean some of their none of the stuff that I talked about. But you know. Many of these people had many of these cadets had parents. Dads who were in the military some in the Philippines. Some summit At the Scofield barracks in Hawaii So it was very real to them particularly given what they had signed up for. That was obviously part of the deal. Now they'd gone from being a cadet and peace time to a cadet and more time. That was an aspect of it that I think follows through like you mentioned. Their class was accelerated to graduate a year early and as they were going through that final season in nineteen forty in the early nineteen forty four. You know they had former teammates from from there for team that we're already overseas fighting in the war so I think it very very real to them Wha what am I had this one of the the neat things about that. I that I came across all researching. The book was that the The commandant at West Point the second in command the one responsible for military training and discipline had to make an announcement to the to the cadets. A the day after Pearl Harbor that they yell and even to knock off this conversation these conversations about resigning and enlisting go into the fight. I mean so. I think these guys were ready to go and wanted to go and Hand you know that time was coming sooner than any of them perhaps anticipate and this is John. Eisenhower's class to the son of Dwight David Eisenhower. Yes yeah yeah. I was hoping you'd you'd you'd you'd mentioned that that's right. One of their classmates is John. Eisenhower who dad in graduation day happened to be June. Sixth nineteen forty four correct. Bless your heart Germany. You have read the book sure. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. That was wanted me. The book. Another thing that came up was just how These these cadets are granted they classmate John Eisenhower another classmate is marrying Omar Bradley's daughter They're all graduating on June. Sixth nineteen forty four so as they are forming up for their graduation parade. The News is breaking out all over the world that John Their classmates John. Eisenhower's dad is Is a overseeing the allied invasion of Normandy on D Day? But of course that's skips up ahead through the season by that point. The season's over well. It's a remarkable story and and we. We hardly have time here. Unfortunately Jim to do it justice but I encourage everyone to read. It is forgotten chapter of West Point history and basketball history. The nineteen forty four United States Military Academy basketball season. The book is undefeated. West Point's perfect season nineteen forty four from basketball to battle. And there's so many so many layers here Jim again. Appreciate your being with us and appreciate your right in this book. Certainly and Jeremy. I'll just jump in if I may say I've got to say I've been thinking about the book quite a bit recently because these seniors after running the table and having that perfect season did not get to go on and play in the nit in the NC Double A. or the NC Double A. Tournament's because the war was on and the US army said we're not going to take advantage of this situation. You guys got one hundred days till graduation go home. Get focused in graduate. We're not going to determine and I think I think that's what resonates with let alone athletes are facing right now. No doubt thank you Jim. I really appreciate your coming on the show. Thank you for having me. Jeremy really enjoyed it. Thanks for having joined us. I'm Jeremy Shopping. This has been the sporting life on. Espn radio we're on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time. Geico has the insurance industry leading APP. That lets you manage your policy anytime anywhere. Which means that Geico is always there for you. 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Episode #1385: The New Phil Hendrie Show
"Everyone today with the world famous Phil Hendrie show. I'm Margaret Ray with bud. Dickman barbeque letter general Kaelin shop at me. I forgot that. I'd already set it. Here's Phil Henry forgot. Yes. I forgot. You know what? But we can start out with pain or you can start out pleasantly and maybe put the pain off. All right. So here's the Monday. And and sorry, so I don't need to start the program with with the crude and gross threat. Pushed me to. Hello everybody journal given shot. I don't mean any man, I wish no ill here. Hey back it off fill Henry here. Thinking general nice to see you. But Robert, Margaret Philo. And by the way, Frank is ready to go when you off Frank gray is going to be talking with us about the masters tournament. As you know, we just we were just talking about draft king's great way to have some fun and play the play the masters, you know, through draft kings, pick your talk top six players. What are you gonna do another commercial? I'm just saying we were just talking about draft kings. But yeah, the masters is coming when is the masters because at this weekend. I think it is let me just double check. You should have checked that out before you almost swimming. Yeah. I know April seventh through the tenth. So that is. That'd be two weeks. I know. Yes. That's two weeks. Yeah. There's two weeks knowing thank you. It's two weeks or maybe three it's two weeks. So the masters tournament and Frank Ray is sitting outside right now, I guess having himself around golfing. Franken joys the golf game kind of semi retired Margaret the Franken survivor tight, darling. It's muggy. How are you? We want to talk a little bit about the masters. His film. Young man. How are you doing good? Frank Kerr you better than Custer. I'm actually getting ready laid lays Burke mislead, Margaret. Did you call her? No, I did not call. I don't know where he has give her another chance afraid I'm afraid that she might be Frank race with his Frank is Margaret husband, obviously and. What do you say, obviously, because she just called you darling girlfriend? Nothing could be a girlfriend. Okay. Let's just say that. But he's my wife, and I haven't fun, Honey. That's all right. No. I've been married to him for a long time. And of course, we have our son. The del Monaco are week. All we call her the Domenico, but Jason j del Monaco, and you call it what we call it. The Domenico, you know that. I heard you say the de Monico don't get killed. Don't don't get you with my son. Okay. She's the apple of my eye. Scented like the Monaco. All right. So we know it's still Monaco very windy out there, quite windy. Let me see. Okay. Late late is here. You're good. Soon as lanes teas often, I t I I'll be I'm at your service fell. But I gotta wait for her to hit the ball. Go ahead. Yeah. I know you're up. Why did you say that? Nice shot. That's your sweet. Okay late. You know, you're not the second coming. Here of Packer would. I watched this one. That's a nice shot. Joe lay just put it dead center. Fairway bill. I'd say about two hundred sixty yards mid fairway now, it's gonna dogleg left now watch what I do. I'm gonna go ahead and try to cut this treeline. I don't mean to tell you how to do the shot wish you she don't ever talk to me. You never are able to to fly those trees. Oh is that? Right. Well, excuse me gymnast. Now, you put my Margaret you can't miss gophers head now that completely if he totally missed my mind pulled on I got I gotta walk it off. We got Frank Ray here. You gotta take the shots. We could just talk very briefly about the masters. I no problem. I gotta problem late. You got one. Here we go. I'm gonna fly these trees watch. Walking. God damnit. What did I tell you? You know at bargain kiss. I would've flown that had you not said anything. Let's not have an argument. Please. What did I tell you? What blowing not said anything went to tell you one more time. Did I tell you? I would have flown at you not Saturday thing. That's right. Okay. Frank, we're going to keep Margaret out of the cut. You don't mind Margaret. Gets some of new Hawaiian punch that you. It's a new kit. God, that's next sucks. Life out of my golf game right now. So I think the masters is coming up on April seven, and we were just looking at a very fascinating part of the field, which is the masters tournament champions the masters tournament champions day, they all are allowed to play in the masters, and and why not they won the masters in. So. Tiger Woods tagger one five one to thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen Tiger Woods skiing. Blew them lose him and lose them. Yeah. And she won one Bill Nicholson. Larry Mize Zach Johnson. A bunch of guys. I never heard of this guy Jose Maria. Leslie ball or something like that. Maria lot the ball and she's from Spain. But will not play because she's got health reasons. Charles schwab. It's it's not Charles works, Nick. So you much it's Charles Schwartz, all and Charlie's she's from South Africa. And then get a lot of them. And then they also have the former US open champions, and all of these guys get dispensation or court this dimension, they have dementia. I don't they call it. I just came back. I had some Hawaiian punch in an egg mcmuffin. I had the suspect Muffin with the overlay. The doctor said that Margaret eating too much cholesterol. So I'm glad to see that you're peeping down. Are you kidding? The SIM kidding. You know, how much I love the mcmuffin with the sausage overlay. And what is it with this sausage overlay? Forget it. All right. So what else about the masters that is is unique. It has so many great players doesn't it. Well, it's it's the masters. So you have the current US amateur champion. You have the current US that bad bad amateur. You have the pretty bad. Answer amateurs is already banned. Right. Amateurs, great, you know, but they're amateur. I shouldn't say that amateur. I meant the guy that came in second. She is also gonna qualify. All men and women. Are you kidding me? This is strictly men. Hey, I'm talking to a guy over here. Hey, hey, come on, man. We don't have a lot of time. Right. Wait. Where are you? Foot high in a pin? But he lunch. Hey, man, you be one on Phil. Job. Breaking kick your. For this day. Yeah. That's supposed to be out. Now. All the crudity that you that you dispense that golf course not gonna make you better golfer. Whether you all of a sudden, you know, given lessons or something I this guy's a foot Ida pimple. How did your shot? Go. How did my shot go? Where did you hit? It. Do you do I really have to tell you? On the back porch of the clubhouse. Okay. We ought to let you go, man. So you can apparently. There's there's lanes eagle Frank the other the other groups of people that we see here, not just the champions of the master up just the champions of the British Open the America, the US open. There's also the PGA championship players. The guys that have won the amateur. You mention guys have one just just and the past masters tournaments. And then they have the non champion the non tournament winners. Right. I twelve players in the previous year's master's also qualifies. So last year, for instance, you have Paul Casey Bill Haas think hit Decky muscle Yamada guy. I can't pronounce the name. It's matsuyama. Isn't that wonderful come on Margaret if I can't pronounce the guy's name? You know? It's her problem. Not mine. Yeah. I know what you're going. You want? You want? So the next one would be than he and told her from England you've heard you've heard of her, right, Phil and. Right. St. on the plate big deal. Hold on. I gotta hit. Watch out drive your ass by fifty yards watch. Mother cooking. David. I know I talked it late. If you hear a man being strangled David to death on the third hole of the Rancho park. It was me doing the strangling and lay will be the dead body. I repeat if okay Frank nut funny. And then you have what else? What else what you're talking about the best or stood of the masters, then you have the previous year's seasoning torch, hampions ships, the qualifiers for the the winners of the non opposite PG all kinds of things and it does make for a great field of great golfers. Competitive. Young offers all golfers at cetera. Hold on. I gotta hit again from the ladies paybacks. What's that supposed to mean? What's that supposed to mean? Frank. They'll bud out. If you don't what is it supposed to me? With my club Frank you cannot rely on your reputation. She's running away. Now, he's running back to the clubhouse. Hit run back to watch this shot. Can't you should? Hey, okay. I gotta kill the caddy to fell. So I'm Frank. You're you're going to get to kill a caddy. Thank you. You're going to did you hang up? You're going to get sued Frank as sure as you like to say as sure as God made green apples. If you still listening. Why doesn't someone SUV anyway because he's an attorney. He's a very respected, man. He gets away with murder. Righty hit that guy. He swing. Oh, he's swung his club at a lot of people. Well, it sounds like there's guys egging him on a wait a minute fell. Look at Fred gray is a toy sleep lousy golfer. Everyone knows it everyone's seen it and everyone's loved it. And everyone will continue to love it. But you don't have to get Europe to drape yourself over it and give it a hip. Hunch. What are you laugh at nothing nothing? I swear almighty got. I'm not laughing crafts. I swear to God. I'm not laughing at any. Okay. So thank you very much Franks, the bastards on April seven fin that ought to be very very the best is always fun. It's always great great, Gulf course. But people are Gaddi let black people in there. They didn't use new. No. But roberts. He's right. You call him. Bubba bubba. Robert. I know that they haven't had discriminatory practices for us bull crap. Man. This was a fight that was going on in the eighties. This was a fight going on in the eighties. But are you kidding me? No man live, but people playing there anything. Yeah. It was will you know, wasn't so much like it was get. I think the masters got Augusta got around it by saying that they you know, they don't have any prescription. They didn't have any any rule keeping black but black people were not necessarily approved. For membership. Yeah. See they have the right to pick the vendors, but they wanna pick man, but you can't discriminate. You can do anything you want. But you can't discriminate on color. Wait a minute. This is a private club to hold hold on. If you don't mind you just above. Okay. Hold on. If you don't mind, what feels going to tell you this the club is private. Yes. But see modify told the story you can tell they Martin's getting ready to I was getting right to it. What Phil is going to tell you. I can get to it. The whole thing of it is but to tell us because CVS was involved, and they didn't want the turn there, isn't it? We already know. No. You didn't know about a mo- CBS was the they were they weren't targeting Gusta, they targeted CBS. They said why are you giving publicity? Why are you televising tournament from golf course from golf club that prohibits or that discriminates against certain players, and the advertisers heard that and I guess they targeted really the advertisers right market. Well, that's the way it's done. You go to the advertise. You don't get full around and try to get through to some numskull at the top of network. You don't fool around and try to get through to the the various numskulls, and God knows how many there are running a golf club. But what you do do do. Well, they'll said do I know I'm song. What's that? Guess she has wanna say do trying to clean my language up. You didn't say doodoo. You said what you do all your holy God, you know, look at Bucker gonna stick to it or not kidding sin. Say it's not the same thing. What you do is what what you do do? Well. What you do what you go to the advertiser. And that's how that was affected. Right. So they went to only advertisers of the via the masters on CBS. And they said, look we're going to boycott your company because you are sponsoring a tournament on CBS et cetera et cetera. Now, they had a deal with the women to do. They have a deal that the out of women did it. Yeah. The women they didn't allow women. Well, there are a number of women that were trying to gain membership there. And eventually they were able to. So I would have to say that Augusta has finally come around and. Is now treating people with respect and with decency and Augusta National go. Of course, now is not the outpost of a sort of a wealthy tooth picking inbred consciousness while there is money. They still prefer their sisters. I market gray. Wait a minute. That's not quite fair market. I said it isn't that way anymore. It used to be right and Augusta National Golf course was a golf course. That was founded by one of the great golfers of all time, Bobby Jones. Basketball player. It's also it. He was also a gopher till he played basketball. And that that. You want me to kill you. Or you're saying I don't think he really knows fill. Bobby Jones, the Gulf or lived far in advance of Bobby Jones the basketball player. Okay. Oh, wasn't the same guy for God's sake. Oh that a body. Joe's best ball players black, right? No. He's what. He played in the NBA way. But I'm gonna kick your ass. But you're gonna get killed, and we won't be able to tell your parents anything other than he was here. And then he disappeared he disappeared in a missed as fills fist went right through him. Yeah. You want some? Nope. Bobby Jones would Bobby Jones played basketball. Yeah. He played for the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers fact buddy Jones was famous for the fact that he had epilepsy. Oh, that's the Bobby Jones had epilepsy. Ghetto spin radical. If you hit through an epileptic fit on the floor. Yeah. Rather around on the floor and everything. No you Jack S's he took medicine. He took medicine for it. Just like, our cat funder Caccio. Yeah. I mean puncher. Yeah. Puzzle. Take medicine for epilepsy. He's he's a cat. Yes. But he takes he doesn't take it. We buy it and give it to him. Oh now conventional anyway, what does this got to do with Bobby Jones the gopher? That's what we were talking about. And that's what we've must return to otherwise I've been a flip by lit clicking about Bobby Jones, the Gulf Bobby Jones the golfer who is not Bubby Jones the basketball player. Did he have it? Let's ask and fall and need to know. I swear to God. No, he didn't have epilepsy. Right. And he founded Augusta, and that golf course has become famous become a very very famous tournament and flourished and continues to flourish as the I would dare say the masters is the number one golf tournament in the entire world. Every shows. Yeah. Baby. Fill in southern California. You'll be right back. Are we gonna do some traffic around here and what better place to start doing a traffic? Then with our good, buddy. Bob achey and fill in pre shell tramp. Pre without time for about ten again with them do it and you got to dump down. But I'll Denny. Living in. Anything? Columbia. Sweet baby blogger at. That be gangsta rappers. So you got sick. Get it's J Cole king. Most definite my little black. Geico. Pretty free. With that inward is the is just the pushing of minister same reason, it's very very free and open a whole new day, man. It's a whole new day. No one's gonna tell these kids can't say what they wanna say this. At your day. They have the problem alluvial be still do a lot of these. They can't play this on on the radio. They're still gonna get into trouble. So they they added out a lot of stuff like we do. All right. So. But you had an interesting story. And what is this about? Yeah. Well, the day parade. Okay. Mr henry. Yes. Yes. We've got it. But the dingus day parade. I thought it'd be interesting is, you know, I don't usually. Hey, hey, hey, hey, general gimme a break. Man. I'm well. Wow. Dennis was he gonna talk about ding, stay, what is digging Stang as best as I can tell Gingrich day is the day. When like dumb is dumb asses. What it's the it's the dumbest in buffalo. Let are you talking about band out here? It is here. This is deana stay. Yeah. Dingus day parade, and these are some guys that are going to go to the dingus day parade, the ding a dentist dumbness. What have you the dingus is a dumb ass man here? These. For easter. You don't that means resort? These guys guys going to Dingle day it stinks day of the world. The world had were at least they're saying dingus day is as the polish tradition. It's kind of been lost in Poland. For some reason. Buffalo Neons buffalo. Getting caught people in buffalo of buffalo Neo buffalo Nian, man. What that sounds Fokker? Are you sure you've cleared that through river what he talking jar? Please. Would you? The word buffalo Nghien sounds check it out and they're going the FCC going to get back to buffalo knee. And what you call a guy from buffalo. I know. That's what you call a guy from buffalo. But you don't often hear people say that because the word buffalo Deon. Drops out of it sounds like, you know, somebody a squat leave on a Lun. So let's all try to sink here. Okay. Well, as usual fantastic point you guys what Phil don't be sarcastic field. Downtown. These to close the two dingus. He's going down a ding ding estate and dingus days of celebration of dumb asses. Obviously, it's where in red which I am prepping right now, they're wearing white isn't that cute? And these boys are going to the parade. It's going to be dangerous day parade in everything and a lot of polish music this stuff about it means dumb ass made the dingus ago, but we see some pin. Just generally means like Dodi violence that be anti polish. Okay, man. More Santa poets. No that digs day. I'd say that must be collection the dumb asses world there. Did I found out as close American doesn't get much better than this? This is buffalo that we're looking at for those of you who are watching on TV on. I'm not gonna really put it up full screen, but these guys find the funding parking spot. He's got here at the perfect. This is like must be the skirts of buffalo downtown buffalo get outta here. Man. This little tiny one is our sheds or something. I think what this is probably the the suburbian area of buffalo, which generally looks like a lotta cowsheds, and maybe one or two places that passes bars or voter cycle bushman prepare shop, and I thank you general walking down the street where the float person going. So there's gonna have floats up yet. Oh have length. There was a cute girl. I don't want to say thank you, probably go down here and did score sweetness. All right. So. This looks pretty it looks pretty desolate. Well, it's upstate New York in the wintertime. So the skies are gray. There's hardly any trees. There's just buildings. Look at those dogs, aren't they what kind of dog is that I think that's like a German shepherd wasn't a German shepherd. All right. So what else what else about dingus day? What us they have? It's a polish American tradition, and you go and get a carton of milk and the traditions you get a polish sandwich. Get a carton of milk. We're some beads around your neck, and then they have clown got dressed up like a giant sausage. And that's it a guy dressed up like a giant sausage. Well, it looks to me like this is a fair gathering of people. And like, it's a lot of fun, isn't it? Yeah. It is fun the dingus day parade people in it's it's Buffalo New York. And nobody's ever heard of it. Right. All right. But thanks very much. Here fox. Yeah. Door. Doing bud trying to go into church and pray sake. We're not getting prayed. Their sins away get outta here with that. But in your state parade with me, but Dickman? Celebrate a day some polish meal and listen to the sounds tuber something gotta get a tuba. Get a tube. And then do what am I gonna stand in shorts? The hell is that? That's no fun. That's not how you do it. But all right. So this is here in this very traditional. But we hear it. Thank you. We're gonna. To get a to I to get it to hold on, Phil. If you learned this before killing human being a human being with my fair pen testing, I love that. Now. But what what do you wanna know? I wanna know if I'm going to go down to dig stay which sounds like the perfect day for bud. And Robert cause these two clowns Jesus good onto dingus day. Man. You're it's it's in buffalo. It's not in California. Well, maybe there's polish people in California to not. So sure don't us will they used to like to show their colors. They have in Los Angeles. Excuse me, belched, you don't they haven't excuse me. I'm sorry failed. But it was going to be very sick. Thank you very much for that. Do you know? But LA has though we have the Hungarian. Gary and folk dance festivals around. Yes, we may not have the polish people at buffalo has. But we've got Hungary as Frank likes to say, we've got Hungary Pora gotta your you know, what? And they should have some kind of a dumb ass. Well. Domains day for Gary. Would you guys knock it off with the dumbest thing? Okay. Well, let's take us me. That's what you think. It means. So yeah, maybe they do have, Hungary and stuff. So what do you want from me? All right. I if you're going to do data, and I'm standing around in shorts with a tuba, buddy. You better smile at you say that do that's what it dues. No, man. There's more to it than standard around in shorts with you almost said the F God almighty. Market gray. And I bow my head in prayer. Yes. Catholic prayer because today is day and the polish American people are celebrating the only polls left of the world that are celery digging stay because the poles in Poland could couldn't give up fan. They could give us week. Pam. Boma hidden Catholic prayer for the soul the ever wrote in Seoul of Phil Hendrie. You don't applaud that? World-famous Phil Hendrie show. We'll be right back. Care to dance. Yes. We got some interesting guess who died. I bother Anjelica who founded the Catholic TV network. She has died at the age of ninety two. Well that. Oh, yeah. Mother Anjelica voyage see her in the morning, and man, I tell you what your your what? Well, I was going to say excuse me market. You see none? Like that band. Your Victor tightened up. Pretty good. All right. We don't need to put it that way. Yeah. What are you talking about man? I mean, if you know, it wasn't raised Catholic. But my parents sent me to Catholic school for a year because they thought that it would kick some ghetto the nuns of all the preschool kick the hill area. And so I went there for year because I guess I needed it. Did they kick your ass? I'll tell you some of those Dunn's are pretty tough where those knotted ropes, and if it gave them any lip and live at home, and they take that rope and beat you with a oh, the did not until you some some of these Catholic schools did rely on corporal punishment one time. I went to Catholic school idea were you ever struck or they do very take your pants down panel your button, everything shut up. No. They didn't pervert you are. I'm just trying to find out. No, they did not do that. But yes, they did. I saw none. Hit a kid right across the face one day. Oh, you're kidding. No, no. He was a friend of mine, and I will say his name, but I was Eric and he used to draw he had he was very good at drawing, and he would just constantly draw. He was told I got to say he was told a million times don't draw in class don't drawing class pay attention, this that this that and I'll never forget the none walking over to him sister was her name. You don't want to say his name. But you go ahead and out her. So that everybody in the world can hate her living guts nice going feel guests sister. And man, everyone knows who she is all nine million of them. Well, yeah. How many sister ends? Do you think? There are not a lot when they're only talking about one. That does Phil Hendrie. There's only one. A general given a break while you're just tell you this. You know, plenty of sister ends the go. This sister ends probably not even alive anymore. She was already I think she was like forty when she was teachers anyway, she went over to Eric. And she said, what did I tell you stand up? He stood up and she smacked this kid right across the face. Oh my God. I'd be down to that school and there'd be one. None hanging from the belfry. I can tell you watch out Margaret, no one play their hand on my son will then you wouldn't send him to Catholic school. My son does go to a private school. Thank you very much. All right. But you the understanding is that they don't practice corporal punishment. Right. I should say not otherwise I'd be done there. And believe me when I tell you if there'd be none of them have. Thank you Charles Manson holy Christ martyr. No, one touches my son, except for me at I only occasionally backhand with my ring finger the damn, well, I'm the boy's mother. So. You know, I find that hard to believe that. I'm the boy's mother. How dare that you backhand with your ring finger hand anyway. Anyway. So sister aunt this ranks, Bella this guy, close fist. No, she slapped him, and he started to cry. I'll never forget it was a very rare moment that I swear I sensed every kid in the class saw it. And immediately felt sorry for him. You know, usually, you know, kids, they're like, wow. I hope that doesn't happen to me. Oh, boy, better him than me. You know, it's not the most noble response. If you're a kid your kid, but we all thought that the that act was so like over the line, you know, how would you know, just little punk kids? What grade we were in fifth grade little tiny punk ten year olds. And you think you're going to you're going to Lord it over a non get a load of this guy. We'll krill. What do you think? I'm just telling you what my natural feeling was you know, you little tiny punk. It's bitsy. Punked, ten year olds little teeny people that barely you walk out under the door anyway, and you're going to tell none of the Roman Catholicism Catholic. Catholic Roman Catholic Turk that I'm not telling anybody anything. I'm just telling you how I reacted and how every kid in the classroom that we looked at them. What really? Well, that's that's too much, man. You know, let's like she went too far and poor Eric started crying. And but that's not the last time. I saw something like that happen. But do they do? Well, Jesus get along you generally, all what you're good. If they do. Well, I wanna know. Okay. This is very interesting. I have a military background. But these nuns are out doing the army friend. I got to know about that we need to change tactics. Though. They're not doing the sometimes they smack you with a ruler sometimes and you never got hit. I never got hit man. And the reason I never got hit is I avoided that all costs. I didn't do anything. That would get me hit. A lot of times Kim don't even know let me tell you. What man, you know? You know, just do what they say tell you one of those little suck ups. Hey, let me tell you. What my my main, man. I was there not to get smacked. That's number one that the adults you go to school. You gotta go to school. And then you go to school. And the next thing you try to do is not get belted. And then the next thing try to do is get a report card, so they're not gonna belt you at home. And till you father would belt you if you have bad grades, though, he wouldn't put you know, what I'm saying. And then the next thing you do is try to get the hell out of that school and go to the next school that they tell you to go to until finally they tell you what to do anymore. Yeah. You're sitting on your ass broke late in an alley suck it up. Suck it on the nipple of ripple wine. Oh, yeah. Outta here. Nipple of ripple wide. What's the price? Forty twice. That's thunderbird. What was that thing? We were doing. But you look like you was looking for could we doing bud just clean in the dirt out from underneath my fingernails get out of there. What was that stuff? Well, you were talking for the fortified wine. Yeah. But it was old English. No, no, no. No, no. It was nitrogen nitrogen God. Damn and we'll be right back here on the world famous fill in shown. Giving up Friday night at the Hollywood improv. We're gonna be there. Phil Hendrie and friends. Hope you join us do have Fleischer you famous of you know, whatever happened to Roger rabbit and a whole bunch of other fantastic projects the trolls places but involve funny, man. Great man be there this Friday night. The Hollywood improv Henry and friendly. If you're in town, it'd be a beautiful thing we're giving an awful lot of male often. Come it's win or you going to Tampa. When are you going to Miami? I always get people stepping me and bugging the hell outta me that you're gonna put together a tour that will include all of those towns, I promise you. I swear I got a we got a Henry con-. We've got a plan. People have fam- Henry Congo in the summer. Yeah. Yes. Going to be in Las Vegas and a summer. People are going to die from the heat. You nuts or something? You're not gonna have in Vegas in the summer. Nicoletta believe I'm in Vegas. Are you nuts? What are you saying, Phil? It's very hot all well. Excuse me. Hide of bears. There's a thing called a swimming pool. Yeah. There's a thing called an air conditioned casino year. There's a thing called a cold beer. Let's go you talk me into. Yeah. Well, look affording. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We're gonna have Henry conto to summer in Vegas. So that will also be get the crown radical tastes getting. This is really a groupie thing here and joining us Dr Jim Sadler at talk about this. Because this disseminates I think it necessitates a doctor, and so people said to me, well, we should have dug dang on because it probably necessitate. Maybe it necessitates a film critic. But you know, what will just kind of take that unrevised Dr Jim Sadler. Joining us from San Diego, California duck. Tell us what you know about the Tribeca film festival. Correct. Well, the film chance to. Deniro's decision. Rabbit deniro. Can you give me I 'cause I'm in the car and a lot of traffic ish morning. Robert de Niro, I Robert deniro of you hear me, I can hear you are you. What's what what's going on there? Just a lot of noise. Can you roll the window up? Oh, okay. I got all the window. You charlie? Okay. That's better. You're kidding kidding about. What we had to tell you the role the window up. Well, okay. You know, what you're right. I am almost retarded. No one saying that talk yell allow me to be, you know, I'm scattered unscheduled laying with a bit deniro eleven. This is going to go through that phone minute. Nothing. Okay. All right, grab it deniro. As that's the station that come on. Please. But big hit man if I could hang up. Hey, man. It's been going on here for five minutes. Yeah. What is going but yelled? The guy's Robert deniro Robert deniro, if he hadn't gotten going Phil, I would have said the same thing. So I think you were speaking for a lot of people when you said I would have been called back ditty he hung up in complete contravention of what I have demanded of all of my guests at. Get them back on the phone. Jim I starring Phil. I forgot that you said that not out the hang up, but I've never been to a doctor Sadler. Been to Dr Sadler. You started out this interview with Robert deniro the words Robert deniro about six times and never got past the words, Robert deniro phone. I couldn't hear anything. He had it on the run station. There was wiling hot searingly hot copy. That was shocking, right? Into today going great. Okay. And I was taking care of emergency. All right. Could you possibly have told us that it's Phil? I got some emergencies to take care of. I did I did know and then call us back. All right. Let me hang a phone because I spelt boiling searing hot coffee. And it was on. Yeah. You had me on the radio. So is trying to do do it. Right. You know? All right. I apologize for yelling at you. That was wrong. Believe it. I believe it. All right. Phil has apologize. You bell? Yes. I know. How do you know, he belched I can tell them doctor? He went now to sale. Now that Phil has apologized. Can we hear your report on the Tribeca film festival? Dr sadler. And what Robert deniro did can I give it a little, you know, little build up a little build up. Can I tell them what it's about? Well, right. But Robert deniro Robert deniro has decided not to allow a film to show at the Tribeca film festival. It is an anti vaccination film. Exactly exactly under film porch to be a documentary and film, basically showed you know, that there is a link between autism and the vaccinations now, Mr. deniro had indicated in the press statement that while he and his family are affected by the issue. And I don't know what that means other than the possibly speculate that Mr. de Niro has family members that are affected with our pigeon or perhaps. No, people something like that. I don't know. But he took a span. Finally, he he he he I'm sorry. Little bit nervous nervous at the Henry yelled. At may. I I apologize again. All right. Okay. I'm just he he said that he was initially going to allow the documentary. Do we know the name of this documentary? It's cold backs. Something. I really thought it was called badge fag. And you know, I know I know that's a full Germany for China Godel lady. That's what I thought. It was. All right. Why would an anti vaccine hold on? Why would an anti vaccine film be called that? And please watch what you say gray. I'm not trying to say anything. I did. In fact, that someone said to me have you seen the vaccine movie that and they went like that they leaned into me and went very like that. I was right over here at a diner at forty four street and fifty all right? So they said that and you know, now, it's called vacs, right? Yeah. I think it's backs like triple X up like that. But if you see a movie out there folks the documentary on vaccination call backs, and you watch it you're being white you being allied to by the the people that made it so this is an extremely explosive issue. I understand the Jim Carey Margaret flipped out on something. Hold on wait asking her because I'm more close to Hollywood on these things. Yes. Phil Jim Carrey by while. You know, what I guess I can just when I supposed to stand here. Take this look at seven why don't you just give it a rest? I'm just going to say the Jim Carey lashed out at the governor of California Jerry Brown for seven ruling that he made on explanations. Jim Carey is. He reminds me a lot of you fell. He got very full of his celebrity and his fame and suddenly thinks that he's all this and a bag of of the little tidy reminds you of may. Well, I take that as a compliment let talent wise I'm talking about how he thinks. He's all this in a bag of what are the little tiny candies evidence. No, no, no skills. No. The little tiny multicolored candies. Excuse me, duck to settle your not in this at all. But I don't know. It's a skittle. No, you imbeciles. No. I already said, no. Oh, it's the peanut Eminem. We just said Eminem. You didn't say peanut. Oh boy. I didn't say peanut. It's very distinct candy from the regular Eminem while I will say this the peanut is that's for sure. Because the pain that is something that we never ever forget that we ate 'cause there it is at stews me. Sorry. All right. So now that you've got the peanut what are we talking about? I have no idea because you people once again have taken me off track. Now, I can I finish Phil. 'cause I'd like to get off the phone because if I stay on the phone much longer while I'm driving this car. I'm gonna have a wreck and someone will die unfairly said, what are they gonna Charlie? Well, Margaret, please. Remember, how your that peanut comment? I I'm thinking of I'll take some notes to thank you. All right. So you Dr Sadler. Take a stand in join in solidarity with Robert deniro fail. I join in solidarity with narrow that she's not a film to be showed at the Tribeca film festival. I think Mr. deniro has made a very good decision. And I hope and pray as the days go forward, and the days the nights and night bleeds into day and babe legion tonight that more and more and more and more and more and more and more film fest film festivals and everything like that will make courageous fans like this. So we don't have to sit there and look at duck documentaries a full of it. You know, well, the vaccination thing has been going on for longtime duck. So you're basically saying that's nations have Nolan. Autism. No, how many kinds we supposed to share it? What just has? I don't know it just asking we've set at eight million pounds. And you heard even been Cussing who I wouldn't vote for that guy. If he was running a hall monitor in a candidate in the kidding again the garden, but he's a good doctor. And even he said it in front of a bunch of right wingers that noticed though vaccination connection between the vaccination and the kid with the autism. So the next time you see a kid staring at a ceiling, and he's kind of going to the light. You can be assured. He didn't get that way from vaccination. That's unnecessary. I like that kind of talk it all onto stemming. Okay. I'm sorry. Most about kid has autism. A lot of times they do stand at the ceiling. Dislike forget it. Thanks a lot. Dr sadler. It's been good talking to you. You're gonna hang up on me. But Dr Jim satellites and gentlemen, fell a little tell you this. I think that everybody has a right to their opinion. But when it affects public health brother there are too many things in this world that bucked me on. I totally agree with you general ATMs Fs Lutely, no excuse for it, and for people to play fast and loose with public health of these men of for instance, this documentary may very well be warning us against the impurities vaccines and what they can do to the minds. Yes. To very mines of the children. We love I'm market, Greg. Very nice. You know, you love you love Lucking out with the smart ass crack, don't you famous? Phil Hendrie show is executive produced by me, Phil Hendrie force. Yep. We incorporated all rights reserved on. Podcast one.
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downstairs and can't remember why or it could be more embarrassing like forgetting names are critical words words or details of incidents from your past in the worst case it can be tragic like a pathological memory deficits that come with dementia and alzheimer's that's why were intrigued by a couple of new experiments that were able to show simple noninvasive ways to improve memory in older adults at least temporarily imagine an easy treatment they gave you the memory function of a twenty year old gary well here's the catch it involved electrical stimulation of the brain as up to the old neurons to remind them to do their duty again now this is not like be intense electroshock therapy used for psychiatric patients that sometimes catholic churches in fact it's a tiny electrical current produced by cutting edge technologies that deliver refined imprecise stimulation to carefully selected regions of the brain so today we're going to speak to to researchers who used different technologies for this mild electrical brain stimulation to improve memory both have seen tantalizing results first stop is doctor joel vaas and associate professor in the department of neurology at northwestern university his study used a technique called trans cranial magnetic stimulation to improve memory doctor vaas welcome to our program will thank you for having me now what makes you believe that brain stimulation connection improve memory well i primarily are findings i suppose but it's actually something we've been working on for a number of years in a in younger adults 'em essentially trying to used brain stimulation as a tool to better understand in the mechanisms for memory in order to change the way the brain is functioning in order to measure how that changed a link up with people's ability to remember things and so based off of the studies we've been running in younger adults were we've seen small but reliable improvements in memory ability based off of the brain stimulation a method we're applying we decided to embark on a study in older adults experiencing kind of the normal range of age related memory declined to see if we could have some a benefit to their memory ability will take me through you're experiment what did you do to try to boost the memory in you're older adults yeah so we're focused on a long term memory or episodic memory so it's you're bility to remember events in your life for long periods of time and disability depends on a collection of brain regions the most critical one is called the hippo campus on so if you get i damage to europe a campus essentially you could no longer form new memories what we dinar study is we try to influence the network of their campus and what i mean by that is that the sprain region doesn't act in isolation it's part of aid network of distributed regions throughout the brain that all communicate with one another to accomplish memory ability and some of those areas that communicate with the hippocampus story member information or on the superficial are kind of outside parts of the brain and the cortex areas that were we could actually get out with brain stimulation be older adults would come into are study on we set them up in are are brain stimulation device which is cold day a trans cranial magnetic stimulation and system and then we would stimulate them about a half an hour a day for five days then they come back in the lab day later and they got their memory tested and then we look for changes in how their brain functions and how and how able they are to memorize a set of objects in the test okay now why are you using magnetic stimulation instead of direct electrical stimulation so you you touch on an important aspect of the study tms works off the principal of a of electromagnetic induction magnetic field turned on and off very rapidly will cause and electrical poles at a distance and so were using that to put a electrical signals into the brain without having to pass the electricity through the skin and the skull you know one of the reasons why we use it as because we can be quite confident that it as actually influencing brain activity and so we calibrate the device and eat each individual subject by holding v a magnetic one up to a what's called the primary motor cortex so the part of the rubber cortex that controls your body movements so there's a little patch that kim that if stimulated a mixture thumb move and another patch stimulated makes you're you know you're pinkie finger move and that gives us some confidence that when we go and move it to a different area like the memory network but it's actually influencing the neural activity in the area that were targeting okay so once you did this on the hippocampus campus of your elderly patients what effect it have on their memory yeah so v v effect on memory was to increase their ability to memorize will be called paired associates so for instance this key of goes along with this particular background seen image and a this shoe goes along with a different background seen image they have to memorize those pairings that are totally arbitrary what kind of change did you see after they had the stimulation from the magnet older adults as a group start it off significantly worse at this kind of recollection memory than younger adults people in their twenties and thirties performing exactly the same task after stimulation stimulation they were no longer impaired relatively young adult in fact we could not any longer tell them apart just ugly from the younger adults performing the same task wow you turn them into a twenty year old yes at least in this in this particular aspect of of memory performance what you think what's going on then with this magnetic stimulation that causes that improvement in memory we don't fully understand the mechanism down to the level of the cells and what exactly neurons are doing in response stimulation but based off of they kind of measures that we do have and people is we see a change in metrics that indicate an increase in communication between the hippocampus the region deep within the brain that's really core critically responsible for episodic memory andy areas that were stimulating the at the court ical network of they have the campus so that communication seems to be increasing as a as a function of receiving stimulation well if you were able to improve the memory in healthy older adults what did he implications for for people with all timers well we don't really know to be honest all summers disease presented quite a challenge in that 'em you know with a healthy older adults there is some structural degradation you know the network of the hippocampus this degrades at some level with age the fact that it was able to work in older adults is is promising suggesting that this method could still work despite a slightly degraded communication within the network as you move into all these though the level of structural a degradation that occurs is is quite pronounced and it's really a big question mark of whether or not a war going to be able to achieve the same kind of therapeutic outcome my personal belief is that it might be able to be useful in conjunction with something that helps restore a natural structural damage the cars with alzheimer's well i'm an older adult hate to admit it but i will come to the point where i could buy my own personal tms device folded up in the side of my head and improve my memory 'em i i don't see why not you know these devices are used fairly routinely for depression treatment and even though depression is a prevalent illness but so it's not as prevalent as a as getting older which affects all of us and so if a if were able to you know to show that this device can be effective for the treatment of age related memory problems then i imagine and you know everybody under the sun will why would why wind and therefore you know either could actually be a pretty sizable market yes we will certainly help the have a device it'll help me remember where i left my keys talked about thank you very much for your time yeah thank you doctor joel vaas is in associate professor in the department of neurology at northwestern university now as we mentioned this was just one of the studies have found that electrical stimulation could improve memory in older adults doctor foster study focused on longer term memory systems the second study focused on shorter term working memory that's the kind of memory that helps you recall things like ingredients and the recipe you just read or the phone number you just looked the experiment also used a different technology for brain stimulation and targeted different brain regions the study was led by doctor robert reinhardt from the department of psychological in brain science is at boston university doctor reinhard welcome the courts in parks thank you glad to be with you just generally what was your approach to improve memory in older adults are approach was to you a new form of brain stimulation to see if we could apply to to a brain network synchronize that network in boost working memory an older people so how does the type of stimulation that you were working with compare tuesday magnetic stimulation we just heard about from doctor boss both are really fascinating technique tms transcript romantic stimulation differ in a variety of ways from transcript electrical current stimulation tms very vocal better spatial resolution it make brain cells fire in it works very quickly ttf trent electrical stimulation applies much weaker electrical current the benefits of that is attempting much safer and applies current over a longer duration it also in the kind that we used it resnick though weekend rhythmically tag frequency coupled brain network all i see so in in in other words the other the other one is is making brain cells fire what you're trying to do synchronize brain cells that are already firing i'm i'm thinking like an instrument one you clock guitar string to make a sound but then you tune it and what you're doing is tuning to get the the frequencies together so it's all nice and tuned is that idea yeah i i really like that metaphor it is a kind of neural tuning who subject are volunteers were twenty year old aunt also sixty and seventy year old we had them perform a simple classic working memory task to pro their ability to maintain information over very brief delay period what areas of the brain where you targeting we targeted the prefrontal cortex in the temporal cortex v prefrontal region is thought to control and monitor information working memory in the temporal area is thought to store in process real world natural object what do we know about how these these two areas work together in in informing memories and how that changes as we age great question so their fundamental neuro science of the past few decades that implicate a particular type of brain interaction between the frontal and temporal region during both working memory in long term memory marie ended our hypothesis that this might be really critical narrow physiology that's impaired as we age as we know that working memory declines across the lifespan now when you're talking about long term memory versus working memory you're saying things like okay i'm i'm gonna remember something for life here or they everyday little task doing like where did i need my keys or what what what am i doing right at the moment is is that the the distinction that you're talking about here yeah exactly so were using are working memory is right now the form the sentences were forming have this communication items on a grocery list anything that you put in tier mind right now in the moment and work on is and you're working memory we found that that when younger people hold information in there working memory that there are two signatures of brainer physiology one is called cross frequency phase amplitude coupling which mouthful but it's actually just means that you have a slow wave fast wave in their correlated with each other that scrambled disordered in the brains of sixty seven year old and it's related to their working memory impairment are you're saying that the brain waves get out of sync with each other yeah exactly so the first signature in the temporal cortex is this relationship between the fast and slow wave in that out of sync in older brain end decadent de synchronized are disconnected or out of sync network is between the frontal and temporal lobe their signature they're called say the faith synchronization which essentially means that you have to slow waves in their correlated in a special way an older people don't show a robust correlation between those waves and so based on that perspective the information is not being efficiently organized transmitted between these brain areas frontal and temporal and then further within and the temporal lobe there's also hey deficit well how did brain stimulation affect de out of sync brain waves and you're older adults so we can apply the stimulation four twentyfive minutes an see improvement proven then people working memory behavior in fact we can make these sixty seven year old strikingly looked like a twenty year old participants and then when we look at deep brain waves of the older people after brain stimulation we see that slow and fast wave correlation an the the correlation between the two slow wave but they're better sinked up so we can reach synchronized older people brain waves in boost they're working memory performance now how long did this attack last we found that affects last for over fifty minutes the data we have suggest that affects more ramping down the baseline level at the fifty minute mark so we speculate longer then fifty minutes now do you have any idea that you could improve beyond that with further stimulation very well could this is extremely weak stimulation so it'd be a drainage drawn a novel battery about fifteen million in were using between one and two million is incredibly weak stimulation and were playing it for twentyfive minutes so there's many different stimulation parameters that we could systematically explore that space potentially optimize the potency in africa see of be affect on memory could this technology be available to consumers one day so they could say their brain in the morning before going after work to make sure that we have a good working memory you know i'm it's a little scary but i'm optimistic if it's done in control in safeway it's kind of fun to think in the future about how that might be a possibility but certainly as a researcher and certainly with the technology were using it very early days and i should say that i don't recommend anyone like especially these home hobbyist these days getting hold of tinfoil nine volt battery in some wire to create their own brain stimulators leaders what impact could have an old timers that's what were pursuing right now in the lab were partnering with nurse psychologist and neurologist and were doing a research and i have a lot of people contacting the lab now who have memory complaints of diagnosis of alzheimer's and were getting the infrastructure in place so we can conduct those research studies were very keen on that kind of built basic groundwork for these intervention developments that could help people with alzheimer's one day we hope that you run her thank you very much free time thank you appreciate it doctor robert reinhardt is and assistant professor in the department of psychological in brain science is at boston university ten nine nine rangers checkout mon nfl can do other things not being mugged they are they are they are a lift a strong reporting narrows bridge program which put the ball why do they we continue our countdown to the fiftieth anniversary of apollo eleven moon landing on july twentieth nineteen sixtynine nine neil armstrong's made his famous one small step in became the first person to walk on the moon how so far in are series we've been looking at deep earlier apollo missions that paved the way to the moon today we look at what these astronauts involve might have been the most frustrating mission of the mall apollo ten was the penultimate mission before the landing in launched on may eighteenth nineteen sixty nine ended absolutely everything except actually touch the moon joining me again to talk about what was going on with apollo program fifty years ago is amy schumer title amy's a canadian spaceflight historian author and host of her own youtube channel vintage space amy's men joining me regularly as we prepare for the anniversary of the moon landing hi amy hi thanks for having me back okay so as we traveled back in time to nineteen sixty nine moon landings only a couple of months away but first there was apollo ten let's talk about its objectives what was it designed to do a poll ten was really the dress rehearsal for actual lunar landing which makes it probably the most overlooked but most important mission that no one ever really gives any love apollo ten was the first time two spacecraft you're going to be going to the moon at first time they're going to be operating separately around the moon in the moon's environment that we still don't know too much about the first time all the communication system would have to work end not only that it would actually go through all of the phases of a lunar landing the lunar module would send torch the surface then they act on stage with separate rejoined the command module in orbit it would basically landing without the landing you out of it exactly right now apologized is lost because there is a lot of talk about apollo eight which was the very first mission to the moon but that was only the command module apollo ten was the first time that it was all up everything is included all equipment is gonna go to the moon vez was on apollo ten and as you say they just didn't land now they they had funny names for these things a what's called the snoopy and charlie brown or the new this phrase yeah i think this might have been around the time that said we can't let you guys name you're on spacecraft we have to pick something that works a little bit better for the media 'cause i think apollo nine when gumdrops biter also two names you don't really want the world discussing columbia an eagle are so much more regal this one goes back i believe you i am the safety concerns on apollo if if anybody who was seemed to be doing really good work to be helping apollo have a better safety reykjavik giving a silver snoopy award and charles schwartz actually designed a little nippy in baytown that that would in part a shout out to be the safety of apollo an end a charlie brown was the command module and snoopy was the lunar module that went down towards the service right okay now another part of this mission that isn't talked about much was a they want us to gather information about the so called lunar potential which is the gravitational effect of the moon they found out the moon's a little lumpy in a way but what people call mascots which basically concentrations of math the math concentrations are a little bit bigger in some places and left in other places so all of that can actually affect a trajectory the same way passing by planet will affect your trajectory so apollo ten really had to start understanding be mascots around the moon to be be able to perfect the trajectory for a lunar landing had what we haven't said yet is how close apollo ten went to the moon newbie the lunar module actually descended you about nine miles fourteen kilometers from the surface which is reliever closed so it would be able to get a better sense of all that so the intricacies of that gravitational field now let's talk about the crews there were thomas stafford john young new gene cernan and they were all veterans of the gemini program which preceded the polo so what were the rules and a call to tell stafford was commander on this flight so he was the one kind of calling all the shots gene cernan was the lunar module pilot suit with tom stafford and jeans earning who actually went down close to the surface and that left john young at the command module so pilot which meant that he was the first person in history to orbit the moon alone in the command module which meant you know for the forty five minutes at you're on the far side of the moon there is no communication you are very much alone he was the first person to experience that she she also would have been the person if something had happened and they they crushed on the moon but he would have to come home alone yeah that's that's part of apollo missions we don't talk about is the reality that the yeah everyone talks about the command module pilot gets the bum rap 'cause he doesn't get they got in the mail but at the same time he only person who safety and returned to earth and guaranteed yeah now what's interesting about these three astronauts is that a both john young gene cernan went back to the moon young on apollo sixteen ensuring was the very last man on the moon on apollo seventeen so they went to the moon twice and then tom suffered went on an did de apollo soyuz project which was the first cooperative project between americans and the soviet union yeah three really dining really enviable careers is astronaut astronaut john young josh you one of my heroes because he's he only astronaut who flew on gemini on apollo went to the moon twice walked on the moon and then was the commander of the very first space shuttle mission quite a guy here okay so in a politician did come very close to the moon we have some tape here what that was like let's hear from a very excited tom stafford in gene cernan we go and we doubt among them charlie cook up are landing right are death and taking pictures here it's a fantastic site the crater the new traders throw out very very light light almost white grey by comparison to the dirtier counter whites in grades and brown right over there in another appeared to be almost every press crater there's visible boehner's both down in homicides around but the hook down that these guys were former fighter pilot and landed on aircraft carriers that's how they landed appeal hook down a grab a cable there so there were circles of the movie could have landed really closed actually i found it interesting point of comparison so nine mile through the back forty seven thousand feet a commercial flight is between thirty six thousand and forty two thousand feet so imagine looking down to the moon from a commercial plane close they were among yeah and and when he says down among them human doubt among the mountain peak or sell they are flying through the valleys how how frustrating do you think it was for them to be that close the lending but not actually wanting to go back up again probably immensely frustrating although to speak to them they would never admit to that end they could actually have landed on the moon there's always the speculation what would have happened if they'd gone rogue and just gone to the landing 'cause they had everything ready to go they were actually short changed on fuel in the at that stage of of the lunar module newbie didn't have enough you'll get off the moon so they landed in gone against mission orders which let's be honest a bunch of military guys would never do that they might have done it to their death unfortunately though leah good thing they kept that urge you to check now let's talk about snoopy be a lunar lander because there was recent news about possibly seeing it because they just discarded after they finished with it yeah which is lucky thing for future generations 'cause most it'd be apollo at the lunar lander athens agents were actually directed to smash into the moon for the sake of taking seismic measurement and apollo ten because they had landed there was nothing on the moon to measure the impact so instead of putting it towards the moon naturally punch it off into orbit around sun which means that it's been there for fifty years and amateur amateur astronomers have been hunting it and really desperate defined it is such a cool thing to be out there and there's even some talk of you know if we could go visited what happened everything on board which is really just a bunch of trash and human waste stuff which is not necessarily something you necessarily want to recover i think it would gene cernan who jokes that there's probably enough biological material on board to bring the crew back into life growth and so funny but yeah it's reads as recently as last week there is another sighting am astronomers are quite sure that they've found nearly wow there's an interesting historical artifacts still out there in space well next time any will be our last installment of but we've got a whole lot to talk about because the eagles will have indeed landed i can't wait thanks amy thanks bob amy schumer title is a canadian spaceflight historian and host of the youtube channel vintage this guy is a dynamic some sugar so good and so bad we know we eat too much of it especially in prepared and processed food in sweets bake goodies andy endless selection of sugary drinks on store shelves the price we pay is obesity diabetes and a host of other illnesses and part of the problem is that research has shown that obese people who tend to consume a lot of sugar don't seem to taste the sugar as intentionally potentially driving into even more but it's not clear what the cause of this is it could be that obesity itself could dole the sense of taste or it could be that eating too much sugar desensitizes you to the taste of sugar but then of course leads to obesity so it's been hard teased these questions apart but a clever study in fruit flies seems do i found a way to answer this question christina may was leader author of the study she's a phd canada in neuro science at the university of michigan in ann arbor missed me welcome to quirks and quirks thinking i'm happy to be here why did you wanna look into what's causing this going of are sweet sense well obviously there's a big problem a health problem in the u s in globally with obesity and as you mentioned diabetes and all of these other host of diseases that can be commended with obesity that happened that happened to happen if you if you tend to be on a more overweight side of things and so understanding the behaviors that i can leads to the development of obesity is pretty critical to maybe developing therapies for it there were not fruit flies so why did you understood it issue in them fruit flies are of an old scientific tool i i would say we've been using them to do a lot of scientific research for many many years now that isn't enough really what we also need is forever fruit flies to be pretty similar to us in remarkably they are actually in are steady we shows that fruit flies have a breakfast and dinner just like we do they eat meals and they also of course really like sugar ruthless will take me through you're experiment how did you go about figuring if if it really was obesity you're just a taste perception causing this doling of are sweet says a okay so we used to genetic mutations fruit fly means one of which was always fat and the other one which couldn't gain weight and when we put these flies on are high sugar diet we want to know whether or not they still had a loss of the sweet taste a deficit and that's we taste if they didn't have experienced the sugar but were away overweight so that was the first meeting and then fuzzy other flies we wanna know if they still lost taste even if they didn't gain weight and we found that both of these things were true that if the fruit sides that are genetically obese don't have experience variance of high sugar taste really well taken tastes just like a normal fly even though their fat and then the size of don't increase their weight on the high sugar diet they do still lose their taste so it's the high sugar diet experience really not the fact fact that they had increased like fat accumulation in their bodies wow i didn't know the fruit flies could be obese looked like 'em kinda cute i think of it i work with so 'em they certainly have increased that levels increase everywhere but in particularly in the abdomen they get a little bit heavier okay so you found that it was v exposure to the sugar the causes this darling of the sense of sweet now how do you know the the does what was really happening there so in addition to the obesity study that we did we also tested whether not a non caloric sweetener a so sucralose which is found in slenda if we supplemented their diet with that if they still lost taste and they didn't so it's not just having a lot of sweetness in your food it's also the fact that the sweet food has increased calories as well well well how did you actually a test of the flyers their their sense of taste were different we used a little behavioral asset size 'em they have this innate response to sugar they really like it like i said before and if we put a little bit on their mouth which is called the process in a fly and we can touch it with a little bit of sugar and they immediately will extend that process towards the sugar if we take it away really fast and they don't do this is much if they've been on a high sugar diet and we found out that this is because the taste neurons in per bosses are not as active to the shutter so if they're if they're since of a sweet taste is is doled then why would they wanna eat more sugar that's a really good question that's actually what i hope my next april will cover and current hypothesis is that because the flies they start off eating this high sugar diet and the taste is normal on that first day or so but over time they lose their ability to taste it and we know that they have reward to sweet taste and so we think what's happening is because they're losing that reward over time they realize that they're losing their reward their like making this comparison to what they were getting before from the food and what they're getting now reward wise end because they're losing it they're deciding to eat more in order to recover some of that reward from nothing so it sounds sounds almost like a addiction here's some diving more drugs to get the same buzz right that's right that's right so what you found is that it wasn't obesity drove indeed more sugar was just desensitization to the scripture yes so what's behind it so we measured the activity of the taste neurons in the process in a couple of different ways and we found out that this taste information really was getting to the brain less and less over time so are next question was what was actually going on in the neurons to make them change how they were firing to the sugar stimulus and there was an enzyme in the tastes neurons that uses a glucose metabolism to change proteins and change the physiological state dinner on an it's activity activity the enzyme that as can change depending on how much glucose sugar is available to the neuron to you so the sugar the fucking resumes on which what makes the neurons less sensitive to the shooter yes we investigated that in a very broadway in this paper end we were able to see that if we got rid of this enzyme we were able to reverse some of the changes that we see sugar diet so so you're really at the front end of the system here right worthy the v little sensor and the prosecutors touches the sugar yet the narrows that are firing right there before it even gets the brain they're they're being affected yes as trashed well that's what this paper is looking at and what's really cool is that everything that we change about these neurons to make them function properly during a high sugar diet means that the fly doesn't overeats and so it's not that were changing a lot of things and if i were literally only changing their taste and that that has a great effect on their feeding behaviors okay no you did all of this and fruit flies might be possible then to a to manipulate our teeth for sugar and get a similar effect it certainly is possible we have not done that but a that is a big question is whether or not we can affect arlen century systems in order to curb those extra desires that might come from you know effects of diet on i take systems this main thank you very much fear time i don't think you christina may is a phd candidate in neuro science at the university of michigan in ann arbor barnacles are much more interesting than you'd think sure they don't looked at interesting stuck to her rock on your average beach but here are some fascinating and eating barnacle facts for you did you know that barnacles are more closely related lobsters and they are clams mussels did you know that some species of barnicle have the longest penis compared the body size of any organism raised that handy tidbit you're next dinner party an did you know that among the twelve hundred different species barnacles there are some that only leave on wales well let's this last bit of article trivia that were focusing on today because it leads us to some very clever research by larry taylor a doctoral student in the department of integrator biology at the university of california berkeley he came up with a creative idea to use barnacles do understand the fascinating evolutionary in historical question did ancient wales migrate the way we'll do today mr taylor welcomes the courts in court thank you for having me okay so you want to understand ancient whale migration and how did you do that with barnacles well most barnicle as you mentioned liv on rock or on ship but there are a few different species of articles that have managed just start living on other there's things so there's a type of barnicle that lives on humpback whales there's another type of barnicle it lives in gray whales and that convenient because when you find them in the false recor you know that this barnicle was attached this lineage of wales this barnacle was attached this lineage an we were studying some of both an almost every gray whale humpback whale you'll ever see will probably kerry quite a heavy load of barnacles up in his i understand my whale anatomy those are both be lean wales correct they don't have teeth correct both bailing wales no teeth just bailing but they used a filter feeding however the particle surviving on the skin of a well if you look at the underside of a whale barnacle it's got these series of hollow cores end as the article grows it is digesting the skin of the whale such that these prongs of skin get pulled up into those cores that helps them stick the well that's what angers them on and they are pulling small food particles out of the water in the whales of course are going to places that are very rich and food 'cause they need defeat to so the barnacles they're just getting a free ride the bus say wow okay so that's what's happening with barnacles in wales today so what was your idea to try to use them to go back in time a lot of paleontologist take chemicals signatures from shells organisms to reconstruct something about v environment in which they organism left an shelled animals austin lay down their shells and kind of continual growth increment but for these barnacles we had this different idea of what they're recording any chemicals signature of the water but they're experiencing if a whale is moving the barnicle is experiencing all these different water matches and as a result the chemicals in the shell might reflect the movement through these different water amasses so are idea was legit used this chemical analysis of the shell to see if we can figure out where the whales but the barnacles reliving on removing in the prehistoric past lycee because the whales are going from from what arctic waters to tropical waters in in their migration well in the modern day that's correct most wales will breed in pretty tropical waters and then they'll migrate great in the spring and summer towards alaska arctic some migrate south antarctica to feed and then they do it all over again so what reaction did you get when you propose this idea of tracking ancient we'll migration and patterns using barnacles well as a phd student of the first thing you have to do when you have an idea is you you go to a primary research adviser and kind of lay out a plan and i did that in my research advisor laid out several different reasons why this might not work and i don't want to get your hopes up 'cause i don't think it'll work but if it worked it would be cool and that's where that's where we start okay so you didn't you didn't get the best endorsement at the beginning so what happened after that well just see if this works we need to get a hold of modern day barnacles came from wales where we know something about what they're doing then we have a means to test this kind of proof of principal now when you did in alice's of the modern barnacles did they indeed tell the story of the wheel migration correct yes the chemical profile contained in that show shell match be expectations based off of the migration at the whale was taking then we will say look this is viable than where did you get the fossil barnacles the fossil barnacles we received some the first few from the san diego natural history museum and then we also traveled the panama and luckily were able to find several those other fossil barnacles using the study how far back in time did you go these are about two hundred seventy thousand years old and be oldest known well barnacles there about three million are so wow okay so what happened then when you look at fossil barnacles we found it be signatures the isotopes signatures that we received were indicative of migration very similar to what we're doing today there's a very wide range in these signatures that can only be accounted for by moving great distances it seems like this behavior is ancient an was ubiquitous and then the other thing we saw is that these barnacles we collected from panama they all indicated migration but they also are best explained by a group of whales that were migrating from panama out to several different locations so panama with this meeting ground were wales may have clustered to breed made before then going different ways to different feeding locations it's really interesting that you were able to do this with barnacles living on the outside of the whale on skin but could you not have done the same thing using fossilized whale bones another great question and the answer is no we couldn't have so do this type of study you need a tissue that is going to be continually growing so that you get layers are distinct segments that you can test and you also need one that is going to be very hard and not prone to any chemical alteration drink hospitalization in overtime now bone is not very good for that it's a often very porous it doesn't always growing distinct layers the one mammal tissue that is used first studies like this in land living mammals adding to the whales is enamel but bailey in wales don't have teeth so that will be issue for a long time luckily the barnacles came to save the day here this taylor thank you very much free time all right thank you for having me larry taylor is a doctoral student in the department of integrated biology g at the university of california berkeley a few years ago with scientists from the university of calgary had a lucky meeting with some photographers in a pub they were telling the scientist about a strange purple beans they had seen a stream of light across evening sky it has similarities to the familiar red or green aurora borealis the dance across the night sky like a curtain but some important differences is well and nobody in the science world knew what it was one of the photographers whimsical named the mysterious light steve a reference to the animated movie over the heads in the movie the character's name dead mysterious phenomena the head they'd never seen before steve it seemed no well it's a it's a it's an appeal i'm afraid i can't call let's call it steve steve it's pretty name name creating an even bigger mistreat was that steve shows stopping this guy with a little green sidekick vertical green columns of light passing through steve purple beam like a picket fence well steve is a little less mysterious now thanks to a new study that's giving insight into what creates this fascinating display doctor may gay arta look cord is one of the co authors of this new study she studied steve is a post doctoral scholar in space physics at the university of calgary i welcome to quirks and quarks thank you first of all tell me what steve looks like if i'm the seat in the night sky what what does she do not real reborn in the night sky these may not realize it but very widely understood going from east to west you see many provinces i don't canada it moves across guide it's not like working there you will see done singing then i moved we saw that on regular ira in they mentioned the colors are completely different to heats up purplish white quote are now most people if they wanna see aurora they have to go north of to say yellowknife to to see them as stephen the same area no actually stevens had he been equate the word that so you would eat delusive to they kinda that usa boy there so you just see stories further south around houston was how often do occur so we we published a study in last december where we analyze ten years of data and found about said event windows ten years of data of course we're limited by the camera view but steve you know that's gonna be our audio you eat every night in the in the sky if the conditions are favorable but tv's not come on but whenever leona i eat very active but i'm gonna stop starting monday night dancing in the night sky about an hour later stevie subserve okay so how did you go about figuring out what's causing this steve thing in the first place so we needed satellite data because initially when we need it we look at the photographers data and we also look at our database at the university of category in fun you uptick automation of eve from scientific point of view but at the same time we needed scott delights that will give us information of particles that were associated with the phenomena so we start looking for conjunctions between came out between the first data in fact i like crossing destructor when you put it all together what did you see is causing steve so that's an excellent question because the real thing if steve west coast by or i got there like crossing by the structure will be seeing these irene of charged particles producing structure we didn't see that but i mean look i call indiana sphere there's some good theory indicating that is produced used by i know drug leash and indiana here okay so i'm i'm just trying to picture all of this c b i honest fear is the very upper part of our atmosphere electric charge to it correct yeah and then the meg needles fears the magnetic field of the year that's outside of that that surrounds them starts kennex in the closing steve they might need it will give you energy to the sphere for two locally create eve we know that they are moving very fast thirty five slows in the sphere are we know that we know they exchanged we have never seen them off the strongest we see them for steve so we seeing these higher cook collide with new drugs that are writing the script producing heating and making the new trucks glow watch powering all of this so that's the fun and sort of wings so we lost my mind it feel from this and powers hold my meet the fear fear then you have like a pressure shock imagine but motor late the size of the magnetic field earth in charge of the energies because you do have everytime you have a magnetic field you will have an electric feel so in electric feel willing used car and so everything is kind of that connected here okay now that steve these ribbon of light the goes east west and the sensor that purple hugh to it now what about this green picket fence effective six through there when we start from the paper but is that whenever she served together we the picket fence we so party goes raining down like outlawed on so we do see high energy electrons raining down into the new year so the biggest fenton east or well stevie confining bookstore no doubt us soldiers lanta others yes yes we'll do roar interesting thing is that whenever the picket fence west the west for the first time we could see conjugate event where you see the same thing happening in north and south and fair so that means you have one minute dixie line connecting the two emmys first so these picket fence will have a meet the fake or aging so this is a global refund is happening in both hemispheres of the same time yeah like these paper for the first time how globally much i'll see arado we keep doing what you will ease and extremely narrow reborn this guy right all right all right but you need aurora from space and i usually looks like a ring around the yellows correct yeah divas a ribbon under the ring yeah exactly wow why is it important to get to the bottom of what these phenomena happening in the upper atmosphere all about that's a good question because right now are tidy red light in indiana sphere to communicate we start tonight for example for communication so understanding what is happening in the year next year and the connection the hottest we need the fear is crucial for us but also will have a very high economic still shocked cost if we don't understand how these connection happened and then suddenly we lose communications satellite then imagine what that would produce for descend from theology for all their other i think sealife for sure with all those young people do without their face doctor gay ardila corn thank you very much for your time thank you so much doctor band gay auto look corn was a post doctoral scholar studying space physics at the university of calgary she's now underway to her new job at nasa goddard space flight center and that's it for this week's edition of quirks and quarks if you'd get in touch with us just go to the contact lincoln are web page and you go to our web page go to cbc dot c h slash quirks where you could subscribe to our podcast listen to our audio archives envied my latest blog you could follow us on twitter
Matty's Back, Dustin Johnson Wins the Travelers, Poulter Breaks Wind
"Now on the, It's Mattie in the caddy. Here's Matt, Berry and Michael Collins. Golf most dysfunctional bulow is back. On side the caddy by. High in the Mattie. Is Mattie mcadoo The podcast? For the week of June thirtieth as the two were descends upon Detroit golf club the LAS mortgage. Classic. We are back after a week hiatus the caddy, and by what why look I'm going to give you credit for you and. We had a high eighties. Settle had a high AIDS. I've had a ten year hiatus. If you really think about what we what we were celebrating last week in a good run. And wedding anniversary. You say like. I said well. You know you've had a good ten years, so it's been a decade I'm to trade you in for a newer model. I exactly. Know. Stream for both of us. We like wait. I'm getting treated in re. I told her I said on tenth bursary morning because I I've said it forever. I I said that marriage. You should sign contracts every three years. And they're. Right that benefits everyone because it's like I three years. Yeah, we're doing well aside from the three more that way you know at the end of each contractual term. There doesn't need to be some big dramatic divorce. True? And the problem is. F You signed in two years, not working at heart. You know what I mean because he know everybody. Everybody shows out in a contract year. So the thing you know how good your they think about how good the mayor will be in a contract year because you know, contracts protect television networks they protect. Athletes Trooper. Desert working out if we paid too much money for athlete, actually we're done with. This is their injury clause. I had the same as an impotence closet. Like what do we think thing? I mean like the blue pills, not working. We got the goes. You might not be worth quite as much. Yeah. We'll keep you around, but you got a lot more chores now. and. I'm going to add to the next three year contract a player to be named later. Never done working around the tenth anniversary. Thanks for filling and We had another successful tournament out here in Hartford with the travelers. Dustin Johnson now thirteen consecutive years of winning a tournament Yup, which is unbelievable. Yes, thirteen well seasons rap. Yeah seasons yeah, thirteen because there was one year. That I guess is kind of Astra's. They counted as a season, but in the calendar year wasn't regardless. Look Dude, all he does is win bike. There's there's no way around that. When it comes down to this dude. From the first year, he came on tour. From everything he's been through. This guy is going to add some. He's GonNa win a tournament like not having a slump. For this amount of time is crazy to think of. Here's where I hope. I really really hope. I hope this isn't a footnote in the history of Dustin Johnson. Of the air quote fall down the stairs at Augusta National. Pause. There is no doubt. In my mind whatsoever, he was winning that masters that was what two thousand eighteen. Seventy, really you think. He was gonNA seventeen. The Best Player on the planet and it wasn't close. I understand that, but how many times hop form yet, but that it's the masters May. How many years do we do that with the guy? How many times has rory come in their top form and? He's got baggage I. Understand. Roy has a little bit more baggage, but look there's plenty of times that tigers going in there and everyone's like this is over, and he hasn't won every time. He's heated up there. It doesn't work that way now that that's. Got Guaranteed thing, but it's the one thing that there's no big. It's almost because there's too many people all it takes is one. Do think about you. I would challenge anyone to tell me as show me the gambling ticket that you had on Schol Schwarz all. Meet at ticket like that's the Charles Wurzel. Trevor. Asset Joe Yeah you could go on and on I might wear yet. You go on an on back in the day I. Mean There's plenty of times when guys you're not GonNa, tell me anybody who was betting on Patrick read the year he won and. Letting us. Know your picks because of the gave his experience there. Yeah, report. About. Point valid at what surgery was always in contention there, but the point value me. You can't just go tigers, the only guy I think in golf history where it was. Tiger or the field? Yeah, because even a Jack Jerry at Arnold Palmer. He had some of these areas player for. The, Tom Watson had these guys. But I can't. Legitimately Tiger or the field? Yeah, that's that's very very true and. Until Dustin, Johnson drop the hammer at the US Open at Mont.. He was GONNA be a question, Mark Majors and whatnot until then the way that he won there and it was like Ooh okay well, let's game on now and now that's why when we get around majors and he starts playing well. It's a here's DJ. Again I think the biggest tail coming into that week was. When. Aj Dj's brother Austin who caddies form, told Dottie by man's finally one hundred percent healthy again heads up. Domains last week of the travelers. Yes, yeah, so when you when when his brother caddy. On the course during the tournament is telling the play by play announcer, my my boys finally a hundred percent healthy. We're good, you know I. Did it's like Oh boy? I've Long said. In a couple of years. We've done this podcast. I've long believed this in terms of. Top to bottom. Talent. Just. Talent Dustin Johnson Timmy is number one? In the world, just just absolute. other-worldly. Talent his last thing that he needed was the short game and he worked on that. You win the US that was the the kind of the last thing right, but when it's. Talent. Look. There's a difference between talent it overall. Ability. Okay so I don't want to confuse what I'm saying with Dustin, and well how I feel about Brooks and rory will yeah, because that's why I'm confused. I think there's a difference between. And player okay. So? You think just straight up on talent. Well. What's The I? Guess? Then the question I should ask is what's the difference between talent and ability? Okay so Roy mcelroy, okay, here's hearing near you go Brooks Koepka. Is Not as talented like raw ability is Dustin Johnson. ohka bought kept. Guys got the make up to be a better player. There's always those days, so here's. How here's how I would ask if this does renting, you're feeling. You can win on talent because talent would be your derby game. Yes. And so you think Dj's be game is better than Brooks in Rory's beginning. Yes so. Yes I don't agree but understand how you sane. Because the guys his build his LANC. All of it is just he's just he's. Gulf specimen that I believe that. Brooks just just hits the hell out of the ball like he's just a master. He's cold blooded. He's a robot. Thing mcelroy I'm still a belief that the peak of their power if he's the best player in the world, but in terms of just raw talent. It's DJ. Yes, he, the one thing I would say would be DJ's dude. That could come off of the boat. He could have been out there spearfishing and like sunbathe in just having a good old time he can literally walk off a his boat. Goto, tournament and beat everybody. That's right I. Don't know that the other. Would be able to do that. Necessarily, they need some. Yeah, we'll leave. The injury. Yeah, so I think said the dude that I'm looking at WHO's coming on is Bryson. Like that Guy Right there when I'm telling when brazen gets his wedges figured out it's. What Bryson does with his wedges? What Dj did with his wedges. Game over I, so let's stay on. For a minute I the button up Dustin. Johnson, I think it's really really really really good for golf that an a one player when a tournaments. This early in the resumption of the season well as DJ to favorite, going into memorial and then PGA championship right now. Right now. Great Question. I'd say Yeah I. If he's healthy. Yeah, yeah, we know. Brooks is still working things out right, we think. And look both DJ and Brooks work with Claude Harmon. I think DJ's in a great spot to be the favourite. Ask for Bryson okay. been on him all year. I. Always been, we would always stick up for him because of his reputation on tour. I don't. Like. The new look. Way What I don't like the bolt. Uprising. Because I believe he had the skill set. To not have to do that. And I think it's working Abil-. You'll set to accomplish what though when consistently on tour which is what they WANNA do tournaments or Both! There was no doubt in my mind. Skinny Bryson, who wasn't skinny. Could win a masters. He was built before I believe. He had the thirty six hole liter the eighth lead a couple of years ago. He's got the skill set. To win the masters. What Major to win tournaments. I think you're going down a road when you be cut look, we all had those buddies who were addicted to working out or getting big. And it goes to a level of every day. Right, and internal level of unhealthy obsession in a lot of times, adding muscle also turns into adding fat and I just don't know that we've seen proof of anyone who's gone his route. Stay healthy more than two to three years. Oh, okay. Well I. Don't know any Golfer period who stays healthy for two to three years doesn't have some kind of issues. That's the nature of the sport, but the thing were if the thing that's different about Bryson. Unlike. Rory and even on like tiger. Is the frame. The one thing that I've been harping on a lot all the time when it comes to talking about working out and bulking up the one thing that there isn't. There's no cartilage machine. and. Right and you're not going to be like. Hey, you know what so yesterday I did lattes and tomorrow I'm GonNa do glued and then Thursday I'm GonNa. Do Cartilage be like Yeah Nah? Hey would you working on today I'm GonNa work my tendons out, but doesn't work that way right the two Balkan those up. So what you have to have is a frame that can hold that extra weight. Real skinny dudes when they bulk up. That's where the problem comes is that they don't have the cartilage or tendons to hold that extra mass? Bryson does. Even though Bryson was thinner before he has a friend that actually can hold that weight like Brooks. Brooks is just the naturally as A. He's a bulky boy. Others yeah a big boy, so when when he does all that work now he's been doing it for a long time, so his body's adjusted to like. If you WANNA see what I'm talking about. Framework is just in a family. Look at Brooks compared to his brother chase his brother chase if he tried to bulk up now put on forty pounds with probably get hurt. In the long run like you're saying in two years like you, you can, you can do that. You can put that big. Wait on. You can put on thirty five pounds, but what you've also done. That is flip that sand in the HOURGLASS. And now it's ticket like you just lit the fuse because you only got a certain amount of time bracing I don't feel that way about because the one thing i. think was him is. He hasn't. He hasn't tried to get longer with his backswing. His backswing was pretty short to begin with so the fact that he's not trying to along that and his backswing has stayed pretty much. The same shows me two things one. He's doing the right stretches because he's working out at night instead of in the morning, and then go into the course after that, so he gets stretched out in the morning. Does work at night? Which is a great? I think a good idea for a framework is. And because he's. Because? He's doing that. He's going to be able to stay. 'cause sounds ridiculous supple longer. And I think that's going to help him so I. don't see him getting hurt anti. What motivated him to do it though is that it was a boredom like well know. What was he going to get I think what he saw was if he can put himself in the position to be number one on tour in driving distance. It shortens the distance between him and the whole, and if he can improve on his accuracy with that as well. Then the only thing he's GonNa have to work. On is shorter plus yeah, I mean think about. Think about the difference between going into a par five with a hybrid compared to going in with a six iron. Yeah, and the accuracy. Then you're going to have with that six hundred as compared, but the problem with Bryson what he's going through now is. Is What. Dj went through when you get too long. And you haven't been long before. Everything else gets long to. And now that seventy to ninety yard wedge shot that used to be easy to dial in is now not as easy to dial in Oh yeah, and throw in the fact that all the clubs are the same late so now his lob wedge not only is going to different distance when he pulls it back a certain amount now if he chokes down and pulls it back that same about it's still go the wrong distance. And may you know maybe he's trying to go? The route is like we. We saw the combination that Dustin Johnson at Oakmont, like his ability to hold in that short gang Iran yards. He was just longer unite. In bryson has been playing world class golf, he finished at Seventeen, hundred eight at the. That leaderboard stacks with the Shambo. Our Guy Brooks cap apparently feeling well A very. Quiet eighteen under. seventh-place all by himself. There played some Good Golf Sergio Garcia was in the top five. So you look at the leaderboard, Love Lastly Gordon Story. Though is phenomenal. Well. Thank then the Gordon and He took his temporary membership on the PGA tour as well Yup let's. Yeah there were, and that's what I think. You're seeing with the restart. You're seeing some of these stories emerge. From, some of these guys that may not otherwise get the play because players testing positive for Kobe or their caddies tested positive for Kobe in pulling out or I mean we'll Gordon's case. It was because he wasn't going to get onto the PGA tour any other way because of how this year's plan out, and he's a Korn Ferry Guy, so the Korn ferry guys member. There's no core I playoffs this year, right? It's pretty much. We're holding in place. And he finished his t three at seventeen under with. News! Story, that exactly but W- for we'll Gordon if he had to finish in a two way tie for third or better, and that's what happened, so that gave him enough. Of Potential fedexcup points now he gets temporary membership which he's taken now. He has unlimited sponsor's exemptions which he can take. The top ten got him in this week to the rocket mortgage, so he didn't have to use a sponsor exemption into that I. Mean it's just stories like this are part of the cool things that are really coming out of. How we're now. Navigating through this new covid world that we're living in I thought it was wild to with the commissioner, saying which is going to have to learn how to live with it, which is like Whoa. Didn't early. Expect that from him, but he's right. He's the first one to say it in a way that you're like you know what. This dudes right like it's not going anywhere. You Gotta learn to live with it. You innocent I mean I. don't I don't necessarily know that we can say it's not going anywhere. Because so many places are trying to find a vaccine. Yes, but like there's a vaccine for the flu in that comes back every year. Well, that's because there's different strains of the flue so the. Range of Kobe in Corona viruses, and this is a new strain. Apply, it's novel yeah. I don't know if I call it now. I call it special. Not In a good way, but yeah I. Mean it's just. It is wild. Kinda how things are playing out now. I think it was great that Chase Kepco did what he did, even though it turns out that. He didn't ever have the virus. I think it's I, understand what the tour is doing as far as safety protocols and stuff, the the one thing that is still a little unclear is. False positives, yes. That's the one thing where. I feel I understand. You always want to err on the side of caution. Guy Who test negative on Monday. Test positive on Wednesday. Morning and then test negative again Wednesday afternoon. Red Flags have to go up. Yeah. Wait which which is. Will they did go up and that's why it's just better for them. Not Ten days. No matter what regard regardless I don't think we're in a in a position right now until the science in the medication catches up to where you need to take a chance on this right now, there's GonNa. Be another tournament. There's GonNa. Be another season. The PGA take pride in the fact that you've been the first to come back during the pandemic and even cancel event since you restarted even with positive tests within your tour. It wild to that. So of the five players. that. Tested positive. Only well I shouldn't say only three of them were actually on site. At the tournament already when they so like Nick Watney tested positive on Friday. Because Harris English tested positive when he arrived the arrived. That was what today, yes, so Dylan Fragility Roy deliver for Telly and Matt Wallace are the other two who tested positive while they were at the tournament, and by the way for Tilles coming off the top ten a couple of weeks ago at our BC yeah, and so he's now shut it down again and now what needs ten days are up. Look you know because we united talked about this on sportscenter. Today Tuesday and. We continue to see this week in and week out. They're going to be positive tests they. They're not going to be able to hydro that but. With all of these leagues trying to figure out protocol, etc.. I applaud the PGA for not panicking. And continuing business as usual, and it's GonNa Cause them a Brooks Koepka plane. If the travelers, it's GonNa. Do these Jason Days playing by themselves type situations there are going to be moved and withdraws. They're going to happen on the fly, but at least the tournament is still going forward to give us. Some of the storyline diversity touched on I give the tour a hundred percent credit of. Everything that they're doing. To, try and keep people as safe as it is possible to keep them. I love the fact that they're flexible enough to change the protocol and say you know what coach is now. You gotta be inside the bubble. You gotta get tested. You know if you're going to be on the driving range, I love the fact that they switched it up and then told players. You know what that's it until that test comes back negative. You're not even allowed on property. Like I love the Fan. I think it's a really cool because if you think about. A lot of people forget our his golf's history. As far as television and t times. I love the fact that the tour says you know when Jason Day goes. I'm not feeling. One hundred percent I need to go get tested and he gets tested and goes. I WANNA. Miss my tee time and the tour goes all right. Cool. We'll just the tetons. You're playing by yourself. Yep, comes back that he's negative. People forget that the way that T- times work now. That's only very recent Gov history that they started doing it that way. Where the leaders teed off at the same time, and they were in the last group and everything was according to where your score was. It didn't use the be like that. It didn't used to be like that at all. It wasn't until TV really started going. If they go wait a minute, maybe we should put the guys who are needed because it back in the day was guys. Hey I'm GONNA tee off at this time with sewing so all right cool and that was kind of patchwork. Quilt and now. The tour, there's no rule. There's no rule on a PGA tour to says these guys have to off at this time. You want a guy to go by himself. There's no rule about that. Do what you gotTA. Do and I think he needs extenuating circumstances. It's great that the tour is actually being flexible enough to go. We're going to do what we gotta do. So we can have golf being played and I hope at the end of this when we get back to some type of normalcy. The Jay Monahan gets the credit. He deserves it because golf. You and I love it a lot of people that love it were around the game. We play the game. We're embedded in it, but for those who aren't and they're just focusing on baseball, NBA NFL and college football. Monahan is not a big name and the Commissioner sportsworld outside of his golf bubble bought to be the first and successfully put on live TV now for the last month. Keep applauding this guy because they continuously adapt perfectly to give us live sports drama watch. On the other thing that that Jay. Doesn't get enough credit for is that he was the pillar. Far As bringing all of these other entities together to make this schedule work. So, he was the he was. I guess the lighthouse the beacon to go. Okay look so if the masters wants to to have their tournament, we're still going to have the PG. Ain't going to have the US Open Right. It was the PGA tour. Who had take other tournaments ago? Hey, listen everybody. Here's how we need to do this. In order for everyone to be able to accomplish what needs to be conflict because people lost their tournament. People and other tournaments had to move so so in order for I mean. Other tournaments had the move and the PGA Championship. The PGA championship number one to move to me. There was a lot of talk that had to happen in Jay Monahan was crucial in that whole thing happening and now with this they had to move again out of the May spot, and so trying to get all of those tournaments I mean three majors that the PGA tour doesn't run. All trying to coordinate dates, so that PGA tour events then had to be moved. was all kinds of sponsors, and so that's the one thing that I think is easily lost. That shouldn't be and it is. Jay. Monahan, you know. Ads going to look like next year day. Monahan look like what every president looks like at the end of eight years. Yeah, like you remember how if you look at a picture what Obama look like going in and what all of a look like going out and then Clinton you nee everybody. All Man Look. Like. I'm. Let's get so. Let's get to work and by the tiny leave. delay this. An Ego I need. Go sit for a while. Just don't don't don't call me as my running joke with Ashley I'd say like Greg A TWO-TERM PRESIDENT! That's a young looking. You know but it and what? What is history through the President's office? They always treat them. You give time I bet. I'm being serious. You're like when history looks at twenty twenty, which has been by far the worst year of ever experienced in my life. History look back at some of these sports commissioners of what they did. Bring us back live sports. And I think Monahan has got to be. Up at the top absolutely. Absolutely Steve especially with how we started. You know with everyone else talking about being in a bubble and whatnot the one thing about the tour. What the PGA tour has had to have done in order to to get started again. I wouldn't call it a bubble. It was more like a wiffle ball. But that's what they had to do. In order to make sure that we're back playing, it was. It's never easy to beat a Guinea pig when it comes to doing stuff with this amount of people, and so it was a little bit different than what Nascar had to do. And even what you have see an Ma had to do so you know that's as much. I guess as much grief, and as a hard time as I'll give the PGA tour pointing out where I see their mistakes are I, WanNa make sure that also the guy to stand up and beat the champion. Stunned saying. I know given the tours. It's a hard time. You are keeping us from getting people on the podcast, because about hard are them. It's not my fault, but look I've always been of this in life. I'm going to praise you as hard as I scold you. Here's what's funny about that, too. Because every players your best friend yet, you will get after them. But, that's where I will say guys like the reason that I'm able to do that is because guys like billy horror show how to third and even tiger. Those guys! That that's how I just tell the truth. This is what I saw. And this is how I see it and I'm also the first person. If I was wrong to go. Hey, like like what horse say said if I say something, I also got walk their driving range, and look you and I. Tell You I said. You. Know through is your culture had is going to bring. Yeah we at our come to Jesus moment, whatnot, and like with every I'll be the first to say like I I'm open book, and so if I'm wrong WANNA. Call me out and tell me I'm wrong and you're right. I'll be the first to go on TV and say that to be like. Hey, I just spoke to someone so I was wrong and here's where they corrected me. Like what? I don't mind doing that, you know, but. I think having that kind of relationship is important to know. I'm going to say what I need to say and what I see and from everything that all the information I gather and I'm always gonNA ask them to. And if I get it wrong I'll admit that I'm wrong, but if they do something that I don't think is right. I'm going to say that, but I'm not going to say it just to be mean and then when they're doing something right, I'll be like Yoda. Got This completely right? And this is why less folks no at the tour offers. That's how you feel. You know what it is though look, let's be honest. Everybody everybody loves being praised in. Nobody likes being criticized. You. Know what I mean like you don't like. Nobody likes it if they if they did something and they know Kinda well I'm doing the best that I can like I know you're doing the best that you can. Do. You still messed up like in body likes to have that happen. So you can get mad a little bit of like. All. Right. You know. That always happens when you get caught. And you thought you can get get away with something and they like, and you don't ever like the person who caught you know. But that's happened a bunch of times where if I say something funny about a Golfer and having a good time, then I'm the best friend for the next couple of days, but then if I got going sportscenter and say like Yo. Kinda messed up. But here's what happening by this, and that then like I got hold team people that won't talk to me for a while, but that's the nature of the business, but I think deep down inside you being beauty being quarantined right now. You don't have to want to walk Rangers yet, but see I want to. That's what killing me. It kills me that I wanna be out there because I think. See, I'll get in trouble with our own bosses. Golf with your boss. You can say. I'm saying though I'm talking about us as as a whole look we are. We are the worldwide leader. So because we're the worldwide leader, we need to lead and I think part of leading is serving. All sports were. We got big banner, says Serving All sports fans everywhere, and I think in order to do that the best way to do it. The best information that we get is not just over the phone, but. It's one. We're sitting there looking at somebody's face or watching what they're doing. and. I think that's important and so I'm going to fight I'm a fight to do that now. The flip side of that and this is where I also give all our bosses a past to is. There like the tour safety number, one. Right Safety. No, he wanted. Yeah, you can't fault them for that. Not, and that's why. I don't I. Don't fault them at all. It's like I'm the one screaming. Holland Delay Hey man. I'LL! I'll go right now and they're like. Calm down there crazy. Okay I know you're ready to go just screaming, hollering down the hallway or onto an airplane, but it's like we don't necessarily want you to take that risk because we'd rather. I love the fact that they're looking out for me going. We'd rather have you not be sick and be good to go for three years. Then run out there. Do one great report, and then be sick and down for a year. Let's get the regular things on the word. Great report second of all. They could easy man. Look, I do for a bedsheet man you ain't. Living. Lightning. Collins stop getting mileage and hotel points. And our per diem just went through the roof. Let's put him on this shelf. Get this thing back up and running when we can. Good thing in a bad thing about living on a golf course. Are you prepared? To Yeah because everyone thinks the tournament she lives matter what yeah, and now that there's no sign or anything or like you were saying no bleachers. That is a cool thing seeing these guys I can't understand. How in the hell how is it that you are not transformed now into a fan of there, not being? Fans on the course with everything now that we're hearing. Did you yard Greg? Chalmers in an Poulter? When I say the hearing. Activated gluts I. Don't care who you are farts funny. I'll care like. Don't tell you can't laugh when Greg chalmers the tee shot on the first t and Ian Poulter. Sounds like something breaks loose inside of him. Not even volume, but length of. Lance and affected chalmers Blaine and I'm telling you if there are hands on the first t, you never hear that and then of. You're right. No fans so we can hear that well. That's sort of yeah, but still like that's what that's part of the fun of this kind of stuff. And then the talk to port chalmers walking out the t when he was like I thought those were supposed to be silent. Poultry was taken. We were texting back and forth laughing about the fact it. Chalmers was getting blamed for it. You know even though on, even though on on Social Media Tytler Stephen put out like. A digital Poulton? Did you step on a barking for these duck or somebody else was like? The cromwell barking frogs are out like that. was that after Texas Poulton to be on the hot or was that like? Now I'm still waiting for your brooks kept good move so whatever? I'll get I'll get. I'll get poultry as soon as you get kept because he's out, hit me back. I don't know why I know. I can't get one phony well. You know what it is now here's. I will give out a little inside information on. Why I think, too. It's it's it's difficult. Is, because because the way that the protocols are changing, and because you know in three weeks, five guys. Five players in two caddies did have positive tests. I think players are very now apprehensive. To talk about. Anything because they're afraid. The whole subject is GonNa be. Kovin. And, so it's like you know trying to let people. That's the other reason why. The announced a golf tournament in front of people. Is Important is because you know. I know, of course we're going to touch on Covy, but that's it just touches like. That's all we need. Because there's golf being played on the golf course. So being able to talk to golfers about golf that's happening and golf without fans, and whatever what they're going through is really important and so. Being able to try and do that is much easier when you're standing with somebody then. In we gotTA agent in I mean we got a super agent which is awesome, but you know how I feel about going through agents, the giant talk the. Worst so that my friends like yeah, this is oh my gosh, I don't. Do you have a paddock paper? Go, have a pad of. Something where you can right am I not reporter got my reporter's notepad that I had to make notes center this morning with you. Now I gotta by the way line drops because I. Know that you're going to I. Get me at the end of. That we those up in our first hit during the noon eastern sportscenter on Tuesday, the day that we're recording this with the golf course behind. You can't tell trees, but this leaves green in his second live hit you. You look like you were doing it in front of a hotel bedsheet. It's is the curtains in my bedroom and I had to go inside for the second hit because there were thunderstorms all around some getting all these lightning alerts in my where I use the spot to do outside hit is close to the bird feeder, which is a metal, seven foot pole, or as I like to call it the lightning Rod. Do Know How popular weed beef you got hit by lightning on live TV. You say we can't. BE POPULAR IF I'm dead. Or I, don't WanNa. I don't WANNA be popular. Because every time I walk into a room, it smells like Bacon and it's me. Have you ever talked to people or heard? People who've been hit by lightening or like like they owe it messes you up for ever like so as a guy who caddied in carried fourteen lightning rods around for a couple of years, a bunch of years less. The one thing I don't mess with is like one when lightning is in the area, Ya know. Right I'm glad you made it all about you and not us on sportscenter. I'm glad all you're thinking about is. Do you know what my ratings would be? If you blew up during our segment tends to be your mo here. We go lying low. We didn't pick last week because. We we you did not pick last week I. We'll let them carry you inherited picks. So we got to go back a week to our heritage. As I need you to add up the following scores. O.`Neil determine who pick them better at our heritage, Jeez. Though is are gonNA. J. T. posted seventeen, hundred eighty minus seventeen scroll way dental leaderboard to your next Guy Harry Higgs. Nine under and Matt Kuchar. Scroll and find cooter. Even make the cut I. Don't think so now. Matt Kuchar Eleven under that okay. Yeah he did. Okay, Lebanon. Week Man Hilton Head with no wind. These guys are proven that. Deal with the time off. They weren't just sitting home playing video games now. Working they have money games going on between one another, and so they show up to these courses, and there's no win, and it's game over like A. Harbour town that usually has twenty to thirty mile. An hour winds in April and the winning scores eight to twelve under those dudes just tore the roof off. So I believe you're combined. Score was what thirty seven hundred erect. Here we go. Tony Female. For. A while was in contention. Yeah, no! I love jt post a big by the Israeli good, thank you. That must have made some money. What if he now do? Okay feed out twelve under. Right fi now's modest well. Had Decade Matsuyama. Again no win this where all my theories went out the window because there was no wind will and you got me. I can tell you anders shaw flee. My next pick was five hundred of scored by him twice. You may have got me. Did you get me? By and then miss cut clus to so Royd me minus twelve plus to a minus five so. If teen under yeah, minus fifteen so only beat you by minus twenty to. Write. It. down. So minus thirty seven to minus fifteen. That was your team versus my team. That's that's A. that's a big win for you right now I would just advise that you might WanNa call. A search party right now. 'CAUSE when he'll ask Jesus missing. So now you will I will give you credit on this. Your featured group beat my feature group that we forgive. Draft GINGAS better, but you're not really into that Nah. If I'M GONNA GAMBLE AIN'T GONNA do a golf speaking of which the hangover was on again yesterday Never Galley at that movie. It's very rare that a comedy can easily slide itself inside the top five all time and that movie. Just Dumpster fired into the top five of all time when it came out. And even though were pretty solid. You know what held me back on on the hangover. The first time I saw it. I wanted to see their night out. Instead of just the photos. Year right when they did the cheers on my car about to go. We're about to see a montage debauchery before the actual hangover set into the first time, but then after I watched like it's one of the greatest ever and I had I had that moment yesterday afternoon I was watching the classic and I had that. Ono Moment this morning? So yesterday. I'm hanging around. Get some stuff done and ocean's eleven comes on. which is amazing, and then I see this morning Carl, Reiner died. When I was getting ready to this unbelievable car Ryan Up, just watch him and Ocean's eleven yesterday as you saw and then today he passes away the comedic legend you. Look man? Twenty twenty needs a Mulligan or you know. What like were you were talking earlier in the podcast about history and how history books will look. I'm cool if we just the whole damn here. Let's just. You know, let's just say this. This twenty twenty is like man whatever happened in We just raised in from the consciousness so. Yeah. I'd so pick time. For this week. We will give years our doing it. I think that we should amend the horse category because I believe that we're getting a little confused. And the other thing the house they're going to be a horse for his course has only been played. Now. It's never been a horse. For course it's been like among the favorite courses like the power players, but that's GonNa Change every week, so actually she. We just do pick three guys combined under par. That's uncle with that. Okay, so let's do it. Let's the ultimate Matt into catty picks and then. I will continue to drag kings line of even though caddy wants nothing to do with it, but whether it did help you last week them. Yeah, we'll yeah, we'll we'll. We'll do they let you play along. Did you one last week the last time you and I both did picks. You get first pick this week. For my first pick of the weakness week I will take. THEM WE HAVE BUBBA WATSON? BUBBA Watson. Is CADDY'S I pick. This week. I will take. Victor Hofland. Good more. Right now down. In. Number two I will take Patrick read. Talk dirty to your something. You love. Take Pat. Greasy. Call you in the morning. I'll know a what a Patrick finished at this tournament last year well. I'll just the top five whatever. The SHAMBO. I knew you were going to pick in A. Final Pick for the candy. Trying to think if I should take a flyer like I. Think. We should I think we should take I think we should always take a flyer. Okay, so let's let's do three picks on a flyer. Three picks and apply okay ready with my third pick. I'll take. Rafa Cabrera Bill He's been playing nine hundred travelers. He's kind of just been hanging out exactly like he's one of those. Is close and needs that boom moment, and so it's like little steps little steps little steps I would always snag him a lot and draftkings. Yeah! He's usually got good value behind him. He Does I. Ricky, Fowler. Oh really okay. See Nolan for the sponsor. Los See the thing like Ricky's. My boy and I love him to death but man. Anytime like the sponsor thing is. This year because a Kobe. Yeah that's true. You're not going to have to do nearly as much. Definitely not shaking hands. and. You Ain't going to no parties so actually, Rick. You might might be a pretty solid pick. I two WHO's your flyer. Ma Flyer will be. See, I don't. He doesn't count as a fly because he's too well known anyone who was going to be. But Kim, but I can't fly can't be a guy. Won The players Championship Ben Flyer? JT posting last week. That was a flyer. Yeah, that was a fly. Here. I don't know. would. Would you consider Kyle. Stanley a flyer, absolutely really okay all right then. I'll take costs. You don't get cost Stanley of Flyer to know who you do. Well I mean Kyle did finish second in in. I mean he's got he's got some tour wins I sometimes I take. The flyers, guys who? Either haven't won or haven't won. Big Big events where like Kyra, one phoenix you know was in contention at the players one time you know so like this dude. Is is a known entity in a sense. Right my flyer. Sunjay in. And that's a good good. Fights Recap caddies roster for the week. So what I will do? Is here we're going to build a draft. Kings team around our rosters, okay. Now that that's eight you'll get six, and then because you one last week will automatically take. Financially will actually under three and three. We'll okay. If I could afford it okay I the recap. The picks catty as Bubba Watson. Patrick read. Rafeh. Is Sleeper Kyle Stanley. Maddie's picks Victor Hobson. Bryson the Shambo Rickie Fowler the flyers Sunjay Him. All right so for draftkings to Shambo. Is Eleven thousand, seven, hundred, expensive, very expensive. As your fault, Bubba Watson. Nine thousand two hundred. So now we've got money problem. and. We got with two dudes. 'CAUSE HOBGOBLINS ten thousand. Why are you such why you gotta be so high in? Maxwell? Come hang out TJ Max. You get really good stuff a you ain't got to pay. Those prices are bad a Nordstrom guy. Yes, he hit me. I got TJ Max. I got the same norstrom stuff half the price of the year old. That's all it's a year older I'd away. They're TJ. Maxx Patrick ten, thousand, five, five hundred. We can't afford him either. It's. Going are barrier. Rafa I got one high maintenance chick. Our Boy Rob. You can always get him at all navy. That's what I'm saying like. He's on the clearance rack. Day Max and you like Yo, this was these fairways and Greens. There was only one hundred eighty five dollars, and I'm getting for seventeen dollars and forty seven cents. Actually robbed his eighty one hundred. That's not okay so in Bari, neither well he ain't on the clearance rack. Then someone some figured it out. So Kyle Stan. He's GonNa. Have to get in. Was Sung Gye now. Dude Sungai is up at dude. He's at ninety eight hundred. That's because this dude never takes a week off. That's why he. You'll take a Wego. We have to feel two more spots at sixty nine hundred each. So here your options as we throw away money, he Sam Berns. Ryan Armor. sung-yeol no patent Kosire. Charles. Schwartz old, or you know what I say. We boot to Shambo. He's too expensive, okay? So we boot the Shambo then debt brings, read back in. Let's see, let's see Patty read in. Now, we could spend seventy five hundred member last two players which put us in the category of Scott stallings. Ramlet. Steward. Rogers we can get Keegan at seventy three hundred. And stallings I like a lot. Right, so it's done. Lanes. That we have seventy six hundred span which gets us McNeil Lear Herald Varner. Or we can still do Kagan. I would say either H v three or Keegan and I would probably leaning. Towards Age V. Three. Okay, let's. He's playing with bubble in that charity thing on Wednesday at one o'clock. So they're gonNA play. Nine holes have some fun, so he'll be like in a good mood. From talking that smack all right so to wrap it up matting into official draft King's entry Rafa Cabrera. Baeau Eighty one hundred Patrick read ten thousand five hundred stallings, seventy, five, hundred Stanley seventy, one, hundred Boerner seventy, six hundred, Bubba, ninety, two hundred, so we've got your entire team on their. Your entire rosters on here? If we win all you re lose, it's all you I don't have one in my wears on it. By again. So, you go ahead and enjoy Noyce germ nordstroms, you getting one pair of socks, and for the same price I'm getting seven fits. Take Victor Hobbling instead of. Patrick read. What. He was my favourite like he was my okay. All right I'm concede that that's number one. All right all right. That's fair enough. Yes, committed. When. Everybody wins money. Thank you for supporting us. And finally because it was a user generated question, we always answer user generated questions. They wanted US quickly to discuss Phil Mickelson's fashion this last week. Sunglasses and the joggers. I'm a huge fan of the joggers I own some Grayson apparel the joggers. Really Golfing, yes. Yeah I like I. As a short guy. This never bad to have like tight ankle things a lot and yeah, you know now that fills doing it more people are going to watch no I. Don't think so. What do you think sunglass like is the like nine hundred eighty five top gun. Look good. I think for him. It works I. Don't think everyone can pull off the aviators. You know I think. and. I don't mean it. Looks good on you though like I mean it in that way I mean it like. He has he has the shape face that can pull off the aviators. And I've been looking everywhere to find out. What they are like who makes them? And I I know they're not Rayban. They're not Oakley they're not now jims. They're not like there must be some, but by the way Oakley Maui. Jim Ray band feel free to send us some of your best aviators and we'll test them out for you. Bro You're already know. My sunglass thing is like my hat problem. House Ryan from Oakley. We've gotta hit him off again days. Awesome! He's awesome. He's I was asking he's one of the guys I mean. I was trying to find out from. You know doing all kinds of extensive research after the personal twitter put that question to us, I did trying to kind of research to find out what kind of glasses these are and so. So Ryan from Oakley's one of the guys I hit up and was like. Hey, man I. Know these aren't yours? Because they? The Oakley always has the logo on the side. No matter what and these didn't have that so I'm like what's the deal? Do you have you an even? He threw some suggestions out there and I could not find these things anywhere are. Like they're not fashioned like Tom Ford. Something like that Gatty Tom Ford's designer. You're not gonNA find it Tj. You. WanNa bet. Is just this that a one year two years. That's all. Get there, but it ends up there. You know what I'm saying, so yeah, that's fine I. Just I I think it's a good. Guys look good playing in sunglasses and fills one of those guys I didn't think I would like him playing in sunglasses I never liked up. Those are you wears like a really nice watch when he plays golf that I, don't get. A. Bubble got that watch for? A quarter of a billion dollars known as playing. I. Don't like the watch thing. You know my one of my pet peeves in all sports and especially the NFL. These dudes that insist on wearing their wedding ring when they play. Wha What's wrong? I don't understand. You know nowadays you can get wedding robbery the Ray. Yeah, why do you? Why do you need that on? To play like. Like what? I. See that look you. Give me bull. Then you just celebrate your ten year anniversary I did in the fact that I haven't lost Meyer original wedding ring, even she admits an upset light. That's a miracle on ice type up, so have you haven't lost it because you don't take it off very often I take it off the golf. I always taken off the Gulf. I don't play golf right. Golfer a job. Right if I did I would be wearing my wedding ring like you don't take. Yes, you would. Man You'd wear it on there I. Would you don't take your ring off the sports? Anybody like listen. There's a chance of a paper cut if I'm jump. But. I don't need my hands for my job, the talk with them. Okay, but that's the beauty of the rubber of wearing the rubber ring. Is that what you're wearing right now? Why the cool thing about the rubber one is because I was that way caddying I didn't like wearing it when I was J I. Don't fault, you work I. Agree, but now with the rubber ring. I can't wear it. 'CAUSE I. Don't have a a fear of getting caught on something and tearing the skin off my finger. What? Yes, what happened? You can't going back to caddy by the way. CADDY watch. My mom had to have emergency surgery, but she she's fine now. She's good to go man something. Go put a whole bunch of stuff on social media and stuff, too. So that went out. The window was like even if I was getting a call, I will do no, do it. I, couldn't I okay, but is there a chance at county? Watch? Be going or now now I. Don't think so. I think now because of all the protocols that are in place I don't have to worry about it, but you know we also still never say never. If something happens, the problem is now if a caddy test positive the players. He's not gonNA play. You know and that we saw that Brooks Koepka where it's like look. He's got brooks his bubble and there's no way brooks is taken a local caddy that is there is no stinking way, and I'm worth some. You know what to a cool I'm cool with Dan. I'm cool with the fact. If they're aiming to do like that. You Really Trust on standby. That can just jump in and go like Sir. and. We still have a couple of announcements to make by. Matting caddy will get to those as we get closer. You and I have talked about a couple of them. Oh! So we keep downloadable right now that low. And then we'll talk about it when we can. We appreciate the listen to download. Be sure they hit us up at natty and caddy both the instagram and the twitter and caddy right now, a commanding thirty seven under. Two Thousand Fifteen hundred. Change this week in Detroit and other so. Let me. We'll let people know one other thing. Next week, we are working on guests, but one of the other reasons that it's tough right now is because we record this on Tuesday and because I got a couple of knuckleheads that are have football practices on Tuesdays in the morning? When we record, this is normally when golfers are out practicing, so it's makes it twice as difficult because instead of being able to get a guy in the morning. It's like hey to thirty. Are you going to be on the course and everyone's like yeah. I am going to be out of course working. Record interview on Monday morning, and then the podcast we'll figure it out, but as continues to be up and running as Willie. Yes, that's Alad Our Michael Cal either Mattie. This has been another addition of Maddie McCann. For listening to Maddie the caddy checkout, the more great espn podcast on the ESPN APP. Apple podcasts for wherever you listen to podcast Mattie and a caddy.
NLU Podcast, Episode 223: US Open Recap
"Peter Wright club today. That's better than most. About in better than most. No. Expecting thing, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to the no laying podcast, Gary woodland, aka fake Brooks. Kepco is the twenty nineteen US open champion. He wins with a score. Thirteen hundred par Brooks kept go runner up at ten under par. What's I would think I thought it was phenomenal. I thought the golf courses great. I thought the competition was great woodland was exceedingly well deserved champion. I thought it was a home run this week, we will go to Randi now for a counterpoint. It was totally great regular tour events. Favorite AT and T. Pebble Beach Wells Fargo moved west. Yeah. Let's start, let's go right into that, then let's do that. What, what would you have rather seen them do with Pebble Beach, the issue is, there's probably not a whole lot? They could've done, which we can get into. I don't you know, maybe we need to talk about Pebble Beach, perhaps, becoming obsolete as championship Llosa. You're gonna love the twenty twenty one of and championship at Saint Andrews. Right. That, that take listen to. But continue apparently sources or saying they dumped a lot of water on it early in the week. So I guess that's one place. I would start the maybe should not have done that, especially with the forecast, the marine layer all week. Do you care to name your sources, Peter Kesslers guy that he was saying was watching from his backyard? One of them. No. That was more of a, a corroborating. I would, I would China's my back Shackelford chimney. They're all saying it was heavily watered early in the week. Yeah. And then, and then Catholic came in Tessler came in and the guy living off the nine toll for the last twenty five years, some dump a ton of water on it. Slowest putt, I think slowest, putty seen in the last twenty five stupid. We all know Randy doesn't like superintendents. Yes. That's true. He's got his on time. For the super is when Gary was chipping on seventeen. He goes we go. This is sick. This is sick. I'm like think about the super. You ready hated this week? They said so many dogs on the beat. That's true. He can barely watch. Another scuzzy thing is pinned on me. I'm just not comfortable. Being comfortable with them not liking him. Think they don't like you I. Yeah. I think they. Exactly like babies. But no, he's not like you either know babies are good. I'm great with babies, but I'm not good with dogs, but babies consent nervous holding them. So mine joint of the open. I was thinking about there's an inverse relationship like the happier. The playing pros are with the course the unhappier I am. And I thought you know this this week, almost to a man everybody loves the setup so great. You know, everybody happy to be here at Pebble Beach like coup by. Yeah. And it's like I'm not in. I'm really not here for that. That's not how I like my US Open's dig into that. You mean for this one week a year as a fan as a total? Yes. Total fan. I am just want to be entertained by one week year. It's almost like we got a little of that, at Bethpage, quite honestly. Yeah. And so, I guess that's a little bit of a what was more fun over lining. Pager pebble, will the thing was. I mean Beth pages couple days was a little bit more fun. But it's the whole brand. I mean that's part of the issue like the. Needs to decide what like what are they trying to do because they build their brand on like protecting par and tough right? Like hitting drivers finding fairways. And then I'm watching guys are hidden. You know, woodland had one hundred ninety yard shot out of the rough today is holding the green the fact they didn't have to hit driver. And holes of the open is a little bit. Maybe what one driver on the back nine today to drivers coming in, so the indictment, not to stick up for the US the indictment of the US J that listen to what you're onto in that I mean, because of what they've done on this end of the spectrum with technology and ignoring it for so long, setting up this championship for what you want, and what a lot of people want out of this, I'm not seeing singling, you out is almost impossible. And we saw that on back to back days, last year with Geno, cock of like too far on Saturday. Which I think you've said was. Someday softening, too much like that finding that line is such an impossible be pushed back though. Because as a fan again. I don't have to play in the tournament. Right. That's part of the beauty of like I'm just watching on TV. Last year, Chicago. Saturday was awesome. Like I can't find any fault in that, like we're pros unhappy. Of course they were that doesn't bother me. You know where where I've net out a little bit is. Feel like they were in a really good spot had into the weekend. This time I still feel like they're in a good tournament all good. But I think your your complaints. Randy are more about the golf course it self than the setup where there's gonna be a whole lot at train wrecks out there. There's only so much they can do is small greens and PO Anna and with the marine layer, you know, that it just it is what it is drink. I agree with you to like the elephant in the room is for sure the US and action on the technology and the distance like that, that probably underlies, everything. So I completely agree with both of those points. And then I think going back on your point about the US and what they wanna be I think they're getting, I think they're going to get back to that they're going to, but it's gonna take a couple of years, and they need to have some credibility, and they can't have Bodenheimer or whatever his name is just nuke. Everybody's first year out there and then they get to wing foot next year and. People already head on a platter. Well, so I, I kind of on some level I vehemently disagree with your Andy on another level. I totally agree with you and Tronto on the same same spectrum with you. But let's start with like they couldn't just come in and nuke this week because why not like do we legitimately think like players are going to boycott? Yeah. That was the run-up Rory and Phil. That's not article if they would have done if they wanted to do it. They would have done it. But at some point, it becomes such a distraction and such a such an onerous thing for the US J to deal with from PR perspective and all that, where right, cool. I kind of defeats the purpose of a lot of the other stuff that they're trying to do too. It's definitely know what else they're trying to do. Conversations trapped or good nebulous commercials about like, you know, in addition to this great championship this allows us to do all the other things we're doing to. You know. Connect people to the game with the fuck. Is that? I've never seen anything from the US. I don't know what that I saw. They took the anchor putter out of Raitis head. That's about the only other the attack. They've added away another. Your other golf governing bodies. I think it's very similar to, like politics, right? Yeah. Politics is local. So get involved with your local Muny get involved with your local course, get involved with your state golf sociation for me. I don't think I've ever had other than planning if you qualify here. They're never had any interface with the money to read a US congressman what they're really doing. One point, you make their Randy. I think about protecting par which I feel like I hear this so much year end year out, and I know we won't get a USDA person to put that on the record. But I get the feeling that is a ehre of the past. I don't know what when that stopped, but going to earn hills and I know is supposed to play harder than it was. But going to a par seventy two golf course. I don't think that at any point they thought this is going to be around an even par winning score. And I think they've done a good job in that regard of saying, I don't actually we're not going to actually care what the final score is conditions dictate the scoring. Pebble Beach that little clip? They showed of Tom Kite in nineteen Ninety-two hitting six iron on the seventh hole into that win was like that's what could happen, when you go to Pebble Beach, and you can't you have to set up a bumper in your setup. In some way, they got his benign of conditions as they probably could have realistically got. And that's what we saw was thirteen hundred win. And they let the conditions dictate that. And I thought that was a good way to run a term. I know what you mean is a fan. You wanna see people wind and bitch. And he's a big sandy Tatum guy. Love sandy Tatum. Was listen. We're gonna we're gonna kick these guys nuts. Every year. And there's nothing they can do about it. Which I think to, to the players defense in this as well. And I'm kind of an advocate for both sides in this. But I don't think the players mind it being hard. Like I don't think they mind difficult golf the best players. Definitely don't mind being hard and one the, the leader, scores were really low, but there were not a ton of really deep scores. There's not huge bunching, and huge batches of birdies from guys that were able to maintain it all the way through like everyone that made a run also gave a shitload of shots back because there were just stretches, the golf course that you can take advantage of you can make birdies. And I found that way, more exciting than Bethpage, because I felt Bethpage didn't have those stretches of, like, all right. Here we go. He's turning onto this part and he's got this opportunity if he executes that shot. He's gonna make birdie and like even some of the, the holes on the front nine this time around, or on Sunday, KEPCO missed an easy opportunity for birdie on six and easy one again on seven like he kind of let some of those get away and it looks like par on the car, but it's really like a half shot lost. So I don't know. I thought that made for an interesting competition, I think when you look back or I think when he looks back he'll look at those two holes, really the par fives in general the ones, but six and seven today. I think were what he'll lament the most. Yeah, I guess Randy. And not this is not you know, you're not being deposed here or anything. I've just trying to voice. Well, it's much more interesting than all of us, you're saying. Well, yeah, I agree. Let's, let's all say the same stuff, but I guess where I'm at is. Do you think that there's something different? They should have done, or do you feel cheated because we didn't get good enough conditions and or were maybe at the wrong golf course for what you like good question. I'm probably not smart enough. In course setup manner to really answer the first question. So I guess the easy answer is I don't know what was that? They're supposed to do necessarily. So that's part of my ignorance, the scientific convenient. And then sorry it was the second. We'll just repeat the question. Just if it's not that then it's basically feeling like, you know, maybe there was nothing you could've done. But I feel cheated because either the ball goes too far. This wasn't the right golf course. Or we didn't get the right wind or whatever. Yeah. I don't know cheetahs word. I just think is like, and maybe it's just style GIC or whatever. But I when I think of the US open, I think I don't think it guys necessarily going on runs, I think is almost like a war of attrition. Like, if I can make eighteen pars today, it's going to be a hell of around. Right. And it's almost like the Altima tournament, where you're not really scoreboard watching, because it's like dude. I just gotta take care of my shit, and I gotta just make par. And if I may eighteen of them, it's going to be a hell of a result, when Danny Willett and work is kin hold cotton, sixty seven's on Sunday. So that a little bit, I guess, and again that's for sure just like my preference. That's, that's what I want to make clear. And I think we've just, you know, like you said, solid like maybe that's just not possible anymore with. With us hope I think you're onto something with it being a beef with Pebble Beach because of the amount of wages. These guys are gonna hit into greens here if they thought for one second, we're going to get scores around, even par the what they had done to that golf course to manipulate it. That much Mary was a bit of a disaster on that part. I mean it was just like balls with wedges hidden greens and Ronald rolling off and three overhaul. When I picture Marian all I pictures, Justin Rose hitting literally perfect offshot into eighteen and it like one hopping over the green. All right, sick like chipping like what I don't want to know you're smiling and nodding Randy's clown gall. But what I don't like to see is like a chip and contest. And that was my point regarding Pebble Beach is a lot of people kind of nebulous Lee saying, like, oh, they should've gone harder. They should have done this. They should in this. I'm like, okay, let's break, like, let's get into that. What should they have done juice, the rough the rough was chip out in some spots? It was thick with three. Okay. They should have made the greens, firm degrees were mega firm. You could hear like what the first hop sounds like sounds like a major championship, which was awesome. And then if they go even firmer than that. Like the greens are so small a, there's not really any like, there's not very many pain locations on any of those greens, and be if, if you make them even firmer like yeah. We're just gonna be seeing a chip in contests and then saw it. I think we've mentioned this in the in the preview pod. But what ends up happening? There is like, okay me. DJ shitty golfer is coming into number number two with three would hit my seven hundred dollars. Okay me, and Gary woodland are both playing I wouldn't be able to get number two. So we'll, we'll number nine, I'm coming in with three would and I hit it around the green, and it comes in hot and it eight hops over the green into the back of he's coming in with a you know, eight iron and it's the same thing when, when the greens get that firm greens are so small. And so it's like me and Gary within should not be in the same spot in that instance, you know, like a good shot and a very, very average shot should not end up in the same spot. And that's what would have happened. I think if they would have pulled all those levers and really tried to, like, which I don't, so I completely completely agree with you on Shinnecock was phenomenal because the pin locations were brutal and I think that was the difficult part was the pin locations. Right. And like if you play if you played right if you had played Shinnecock, you would know that like the greens, there are massive, and they're so crazy undulated. And so, like, there are a lot like they can find pin locations like that. We didn't see anything close to that this week because they're not really out there like the slopes. Pebble you saw maybe on fourteen they could have had something crazy, like. Borderline unfair, which would I would agree with you there that would have been sick but. Outside of that. Like it's just really hard to find those pin locations because the greens, just aren't like that two things one, but real quick sorry, maybe they should maybe that's an answer. Maybe go blow up all the greens and you make them. If you're gonna have a seven thousand year, golf course, for major, then maybe the greens should be absolutely bananas, which is, I think we're all we're eight thumbs up on that one looking around the table, which I think, to that exact point, and we talk some in the preview pot about what we think of pebble and whatnot. And I think as a as a test of maybe major championship golf. I think it's phenomenal. And there's a lot of things that I think for a playability for everyday players that they should do a lot of reasons why they shouldn't do it also, which is they print tens of thousands of dollars every hour in times, of course down. But let's say capitalism is not going to be the way to win Randy over here. What they've already started doing is expanding some of these greens. And I think that is the right thing. They can continue to do to make this even better test for major championship golf to give you opportunities to bring the pins even closer to those bunkers. Get rid of some of that rough that is in between the bunkers and the green as it stands and have even crazier slopes in crazier pen positions, and make the playing of angles even that much more important in ROY talked about how important angles was, I think this was like the best blend that I've seen in recent memory of like tight fairways, but every teebox standing, it'd be like, okay, he needs to be on the left side here or he needs to be on the right side. You really had to really decide on a line when you're exactly, it was not just like it wasn't just hit it down the middle of the fairway on eleven. It was like, do you wanna pound driver all with the left or like do I wanna fade towards the center? I get bettering on the left. But I'm risking going the left rough. And I think as much as we love with angles. It's not the best at tournament golf because of how far the ball goes of this was a great combination of angles still matter. But, like we're also not gonna let you just mash it out of the rough. Yeah. You're gonna pay a price. And that didn't really get enough enough play probably the telecast is like they have been slowly making those changes to Pebble Beach like thirteen thirteen they added pin positions. Here. I think I think thirteen fourteen they both added a back. Right. Pin position that wasn't there in, in two thousand teens got expanded. Yeah. Exactly. Seventeen read that green is like I was out there for a couple of days this week, and that was seventeen minutes. Oh, god. There. But seeing seventeen green is was the highlight. I think just seeing like the left's, how different everybody can see like the two d. The shape of the green that it's that our, our glass Korean whatever, but seeing how much of a Punch Bowl, the left hand side is. And how thinking about, you know, Gary, I think it foreign he wasn't close to going at the pin, but Gary hit four hundred I think into seventeen and seeing what downslope there is right over that bunker and how you can get if you like if you land that ball in the wrong spot is so much more subtle than it looks on TV. And that was one of my biggest takeaways this week, a quick break. Let us know when the world's best show up to play odyssey continues to lead the way they were number one at Pebble Beach this past week been number the number one putter at every single major for twenty nine thousand nine at seven of them could use name all seven majors so far don't do it. Could you for women's men's and women's men's? I think like well the champion has like seventy. Yeah. US open a inspiration, US women's women's opened they're getting a bargain. There's gonna be like a sixty second. Moving on for this tradition. There were senior PGA championship tasting presented by kitchen. Mid. Mix. 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I don't they make number six apart for a number seven par to make it like a par sixty nine and then it's the same condition eighteen should be part for eighteen could be a part for mega par sixty eight and then what about the championship though perception like make par for the course like factor in the technology and the distance and the you know. Like make it an actual par sixty eight. Then you're talking about, right? So you're talking about changing the perception. But earlier we're talking about just the actual viewing experience and what you want to see out of it. That's not going to materially change anything. I do think it would so would change some strategy or the way that guys went about stuff. But I don't think it's going to change the way that the tournament played. Maybe it'd be fascinating experience. I wonder if it would if eighteen was playing as a quote, unquote, par for I wonder if you would see different clubs that people would hit off the tee. I would I'm rolling my eyes at it be no. I know we all around the same pay in the world. You'd be like, oh, oh, there's this number on the scorecard next to it says it should be a four. So I'm gonna play differently. You're playing against everybody else. Playing that whole it doesn't matter. It could be a par eight in the strategy should be the exact same legitimately. If somebody told me like, hey, I know this used to be, but now it's apart for. Okay. I better sack up here, but this is relevant because this is how pros think I'm telling you. Yeah. So we before we get to any Johnson wrote a piece like word for word on this exact topic. So I don't know. That's where he got it from. But that's where that was his argument is just a that kind of illustrates like fuck, maybe we might have messed up on the technology stuff like these, these par fives are not par fives. And there's nothing we can do anymore. Like think about lengthening eighteen like you literally can't like the team oxes is on a rocky outcropping. And the green is on a rocky outcropping. You can't move either just because some of those rock outcroppings, working out there. Look very fuzzy. You're gonna have to from a drone to add. Yeah. And I know people through the pars are element me, and I'm like, okay, cool, then if it's irrelevant, and let's move it, then let's make like everybody should be on board with that. Then maybe it will like fans like me Joe fan who tunes in US open. It's supposed to be really difficult. I wanna see these pros mix them bogeys, you know, may maybe it's best for everybody. And that was that was Andy's point is a you get that kind of peace of mind, be if you and this is where it gets, really laughable, if you think about them going to. Trying to think what's coming up. Let's just say so wing foot didn't I think you'll hands did like a whole renovation wing put. Right. So a lot of that was probably, you know, in anticipation of this US open. It's like okay we can go like continually spend millions and millions of dollars at these future hosts sites by lengthening, tees, and lengthening holes and moving greens doing this. If Oregon's like change the scorecard. Printers scorecards. I don't know what do you think would be a better use of, of the resources of the US whose quote connecting players to the game? And so it's just when you think about, like, that's like, whoa, that's, that's, that's pretty interesting. I think going back, it's such a different lens that we look at the, the US open through where remember last year at Carnoustie versus like this is what nature gave us. So we're just going to accept it. This is what nature gave us this week. But nobody seems to want to accept it. Right. What was funny? I saw another tweet to that was Africa. Who posted it. But why were we all okay with thirteen? Winning at Pebble Beach because the wind didn't blow everyone's like, oh, hey, that's the way it goes. You know there was no win. But at Aaron hills, this is a fucking disgrace. I can't believe the scores. Are this low T? It's, it's the same issue. I don't know why people are upset about this. I or we start Truman showing, if you're getting ninety three million dollars a year from FOX, maybe bring out some put a dome over control set. Christophe els. You just read enough in like, you know, psychology behavioral finance, like it would have an effect either on players, and, or on spectators, that would be fascinating to see totally, and they've already changed the par like it plays a part seventy two. Am I right in that place as a par-five for resort? Yeah. Already changing shit, just make it like every year, you can't make a par seventy. Somewhere. That's a rule. Yeah. Andy's any last point that it kind of made in this article was if you did that if you extrapolated that out to every event, and so I think the example use trinity forest. So there's two I think three two or three par fives that should play his par fours. There's, you know, I think he in his article he said there's two to play his par fours, and there's one like three hundred yard par for that he said, should play the par-three, if you did that, like everybody's go, my God. This is stupid Twenty-eight unders winning or whatever. And you do that, like all of a sudden twelve hundred wins or something. And everyone's like, why would it you know it's a pretty? Pretty good. Wise he really played well this week. And so what you have then like if you did that every week is to his point like you'd have so much of a better barometer event to event because like he's he was saying, like, okay thirteen hundred US open like what does that mean in comparison to how well, did Gary within play in comparison in comparison to, you know, like twelve under at so and so or twenty under at another then when someone who's twenty under then all of a sudden, you're like whoa. Twenty under adjusted par man. That guy must've really coughed his ball. And it's just I don't know. It's a really interesting way to think about it. Yeah. And so I get the par- relevant, and it's like the theory is there. And I get it. But if we're not gonna take the action then then what are we must be somewhat relevant or else? Make it a damn parts of exceed. What was the other lever that you thought he was going to pull? Yeah. Where did you think I was going that everybody had to play the same golf ball? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. That's a no brainer. More thought about that. It's like I can't believe there's not a uniform gullible, that's at the professional level. Absolutely. I mean, it would address stocks like twenty minutes or it'd be like take almost all. We just show of pebble and play it. And it's like the scorecard is basically what it'd be like it's like apples and oranges Bill, like imagine ten players rolling with their own times falls on their serve right play with. Play with your specially designed ones. That's asinine. Yeah. Back to the actual golf tournament and the winner of it. And we talked to Gary woodland. I mean, I don't I don't know really exactly what to do with it. We weren't. We're not expecting him to win, but it's not a totally out of left field is not a Ben Curtis. Todd Hamilton winter woodland was on a certain career trajectory, and he kind of stopped rising kind of just leveled out to what I thought was this level of tour player, and I was not expecting to step up and win a major championship man. He was unfaithful the shot that he had fourteen to sixty five straight up a hill. It seaside like one thing, it was really refreshing to see guys actually have to hit normal shot yardages, because they bald as not fly out there that shoddy hit on fourteen one in the tournament. Like when he was standing over that I thought back to Mickelson's quote that he told bones when he's in the pine straw on thirteen at Augusta and fills, quote was like at some point, I'm going to have to hit a shot under a lot of pressure to win this tournament. I'm going to do a right now. Now. Yeah. And he stepped up and did it and got up and down to birdie and won the golf tournament that drive. So I know a lot of what we had kind of said was is it good that he, you know, he didn't have to hit very, many drivers coming in, and I guess it's probably fourteen and I'm trying to think where else would have even hit drive around the back. Nine I mean, maybe then but even that driving fourteen. I mean he like hugged, the corner perfectly gave them a chance to to get their into. And then so that's raining. We're kind of past the watching guys get addicted conversation. But I thought, what was really cool as like actually seeing guys, showcase really great shots because again, I don't wanna keep prefacing sentences with, like I was out there this week, but being out there like you would trust me. I saw a lot of guys get viscera this week. Shout out to a couple of our friends of the program, but like it was not as easy as it looks watching the guys who are literally playing the best of the one hundred and fifty six players and. And seeing shots like what would hit the shots at kept a hit on the front nine that's what maybe there was just like lack of context, what this came to be. Maybe they need to stop showing as much of the winners and just show a lot of guys who are playing shitty. Listen, one tweet that was Justin Rose enough as on f s to, and that's. The tweet that was like for all Olympic races. They should have an average man. Totally so yes, it looks like so I, I don't wanna air him out too much, and maybe this is a weird segue from congratulations to gear for winning, but followed Zach Blair, a lot on, on it might have been the guy on Thursday. But he like he shot eighty three. Zach is like among among the best players in the world. You know, when you compare to look at how many people play golf one percents. Yeah. And he said that he tweeted this, too. But, like he, he missed eight greens with chip shots like that. It was not easy act like we played with him in Greenville, and literally we had breakfast with Rex within that morning. And we're just kind of talking about the course and talking about game, whatever I was like in Greenville like you. Shift, your balls off, like it was crazy to see, like, how good of a Chipper you are, and he went out in over the next two days. He missed eight greens with chip shots. And it's like dude, I promise. It was not playing easy. It was playing really easy. Four, Gary woodland, and Brooks cap because they were hitting a lot of fucking good golf shots down. Cock and listen down. Yeah. So that's actually, you know what I just thought of that. Now that might be the way to save the US open play like just show, more shitty gophers show, more guys who are really struggling, I'm might be how you doing. Tension for sure. Yeah. Think going back to woodland. That was that was a segue mysterious back normally on the one. When he was in the web dot good. Honest. I don't ever remember with them on the web dot com tour that was kind of be my point. He's can we just because I don't think we're going to get back to it. Can we get there's one block? I want to get on. So I don't know if they're making the announcement today or would, but apparently web dot com is out as a title sponsor of the web dot com tour and it's going to now be the Korn ferry tour, which is a management like Korn consultant so porn period consult. I don't know if, if the C's going to be part of it, but that was the block getting in on I would love to bran this thing like the KFC tour a tour. No, let's call it the KFC tour everyone listening to it forever referred to as the KFC tour forever. This thing. Colonel Sanders tour. But it has to have a chance of catching on, we need the players calling it the KFC tour we need. They call Sanderson farms should become a KFC tour instead of call on the twenty five at the end of the year. They should call it the twenty four bucks. Love. I saw that twinkle in your eye taunt. I love that. Tough for people just allow Renault twenty six is here, just outside the bucket. Yeah. The buckets, tough sounds like some ambush marketing potential case through that's true. Sorry, woodland, no more distraction. I tell a quick. On woodland specifically, I think I said this on the live show, but this is not that significant story. But how crazy it was to me, my dad and I were at the twenty ten US open at Pebble Beach, never heard of Gary bragging, and just I'm walking around, we're walking around, and we get to t- nobody's following Gary woodland. And he just walks with a certain swagger. Now he was walking with double, the swagger. Just losing the man. And he hits his drive onto, and he just absolutely bombs it, and even grinned the crowd at little crowd that was there after he hit it. And, you know, we start walking up kind of we're making our way out to the good part of the property up there this ball like almost in the bunker way down there, like somebody already punch out, and we got up there, and it was woodland, he hit sandwich in a number two at the US open, and we were all like at the same time, like, who is this guy, so immediately became like one of my favorite players back then, and to see it all come full circle from win the US open at Pebble Beach, nine years later was very weird out about it kind of experience. So I was gonna say just going back to twenty eleven when he kind of I burst on the scene. He is not finished fell outside the top one hundred the end of the year twenty twelve but since twenty thirteen he is not finished lower than sixty third in the world. These kind of plateaued. Yeah, he's always he's, he's had at least one second place finish on the PGA tour every year since twenty thirteen. Like that's a. Consistency in at least really three to five. Tenth place, finishes or better every year. So I think that and then be just earlier this year. I mean, the, the light bulb that went off in his head, as far as putting absolutely remarkable. You guys are never going to guess the answer this question, never, I promise, you won't get this Amsterdam. Who do you has more regular PGA tour wins? Gary woodland or Brooks kept goose you'll never get already. Come on. Within three regular PJ and got to the now. He's got woolens got four wins. Rick Scott five. Well, that's cool. You need them. One other point on woodland out to Maddie Kelly every every week before a major always ask them. Hey who should I be looking for this week? He said like first thing off his tongue. Dude, woodland really, really like on this course he's gonna hit that two or three iron. He's aggressive. He's, he's confident like in Mattie. I think that's the other thing about woodland is all these guys out there seem to like him, like he kind of comes off, as this Uber. Aggressive, bro. But he's actually I think there's, there's a good. I think he's just old behind. I think he's just crazy confident. Exactly. It's like how can you get to where he is without being what he's not a douche, which is very hard line to straddle. We'll know when I was in Malaysia during the fall of twenty seventeen we're walking back from a restaurant and the players just stick out like sore thumbs. And we end up the same stoplight giving it across the street. Gary woodland stick out of Malaysia and woodland, it was there with a couple of other guys. And I've never met Gary woman in my life. And we're just kind of standing there and he just like turns me sub bro. It gives me like. I had to ask agent after it was like you'll do I know get met him. He's like, no. Like he's like that with everybody goes at people and says, what's up and just start talking to him. So he seems to be very, very well liked guy so good. I thought that was I thought rainy legitimately I thought you had a lot of very good like criticisms from the fan perspective. But at the same time I thought it was I don't know. That was great championship a couple of things civic to woodland, I did find it surprising. This was the first time he's closed on a fifty four hole lead. Yeah. He had been over seven. Oh, I didn't realize it was that stark hope for Ricky. There's very interesting. But to your point to it's like, man, if he could of converted even two or three of those, he's, you know, in our minds is probably I always pick him seems he always plays. Well to guess too, which I looked up. He's one top twenty five in his. One of those guys kinda like rose with you know, I don't know. Man. I don't know what it is. Like I always feel like he's just he's got a good game for Augusta. It's fairways, but he's never quite potted. Well enough. This year. I was still bummed like, really the being this week, and then when he started leading woodland really, because he says last year. That's so yeah, he beat him in the Phoenix at the waste management beat them up to after remember who won Phoenix this here. Rickie fowler. I know dinner. That's my favorite game to play at the end of the year. Just like who I could probably tell you, I watched every tournament, and I tell you maybe forty percent of the guys. You know what that's like for the Sony like the next year? Sonia, like the not the sun, excuse me. The Hyundai Kappa Lewis like try century second. How is this? Especially now that like the opposite field guys like bid desert team guys. Get it. Julio bell. Deep. No calming cut. You know what doesn't quite feel right? Is that Gary woodland in lieu used as and have the same amount of majors? This is within I ever five major intestine Johnson. Gods? Disappointing we go. Go ahead. Dust. And I mean he's got he had to have this circled on his county for, like five years. They're like the same age too. Dustin only ones fifty four minutes at Petrie wasn't that great after fifty four this week, either now one major get you on the list with some interesting names. Yeah. There's some some Freddie Davis. Love chasing day. Yeah. Justin Rose JT hurt us. Sean mckeever in Curtis rule that was cool. I was going to answer this one on a heater for the next exam years or so. You wanna a few classic the Booz Allen, classic good shit up four hundred the world when he won the British au third alternate acted up. He made he won a few more times, so quiet and no creek, Ohio. We're kind of on the subject, but Curtis. Really, I've been no with Gary woodland winning. Does he fit more as a we've been on such a run of strong, major champions recently? Where where do you see him is he kind of a one time outside the box type winner is he, he might be the Mendoza line? He could be that he could be. It could be the woodland line. You know, is he above or below the woods is woodland above or below Charles Schwartz will say about? That's a good question Schwartz. Danny Willett or the to kind of comes above willies about because he's had a longer, like for me, the fact that he's had eight years or nine years, or almost a decade out on tour, and he's been consistent as he has. And he's he's one and he's just a really solid golfer. There's nothing fluky about it. And I could see him when one or two more over the next decade, I would say it's, it's definitely not a fluky. Fluky winter, like some of the throwaway names that we just listed off. But I think that it was weird. It's one of those things that looking at his stats and stuff, you're like man he he's number twenty five in the world and he hits it really far and he got. He's putting it great. And like you said, Trump when you're watching you're kind like, oh, there's no way he's going to. He's going to hang on. And then he wins. You're like, yeah, of course he was forced. He won the us. Let's go. Let's do this. We'll stop me or just kinda yell out fluke when we get to like a fluke, major champion. Disclaimer here. Ships, flew million. Plus, I think like almost none of us have automated, correct. All right. Gary, maybe Neal. He's not here. Brooks KEPCO tiger. Woods brooks. Kepco Francesco Molinari Brooks. Kepco Patrick read Justin Thomas Jordan's beat Brooks KEPCO Sergio Garcia, Jimmy Walker fluke. I'll say fluke, lewke top ten in the world. He's a backstop. He was playing on run then so good Henriksen. Also, we don't know that that would happen. That's true that could have been a computer simulation, as we've mentioned many times, Dustin. Johnson Danny Willett. Danny will again, was like thirteen DJ. To block I'm starting to scope out. I've been held on. Jason day. Zach Johnson, flew Jordan's beat Jordan speed here. Rory mcilroy ROY McElroy Martin Bubba Watson, Jason Duffner. Phil mickelson. Justin rose. Adam Scott Rory McElroy Ernie Els look that was that was. Yeah. Ernie Els it wasn't a fluke that he won a major. It was a food. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying at that time that was fluky Webb Simpson Bubba Watson, Keegan Bradley win was a little. It was see, like woodland feels that cut above Keegan. I think for sure keen was rookie is like he was fresh off the KFC deal too. How? But he'll chew is how you wait. I think he was like, number seven in the buck Lynn. Stepped on. To me. I don't even if he didn't have the eight to nine years of background, man. Like, he's, he's still sleeping on the thirty six four lead to win. That's what Jimmy Walker was wire-to-wire like that. I have a hard time. Call him effluent again. It's conjecture alleged. It's alleged. I go wired on Darren Clarke computers. That's the one that is. That was a fluke win because he didn't do anything after that to the rest of his career. And that's goes broil should DJ shank did out of Al. Yeah. In the realm of what we've experienced recently in majors. That was a somewhat fluky win. I think we can say but at the same time I in the, the twenty fifth ranked players, which is like speaking to what we've been through in the last. I mean we kept saying that all the previews, it's like dude, it has been so good lately him. It's crazy. How good it's been. It's everything. Speaking about everything. What could we talk about this? I will step out of the room. What did you think of the television experience this week? I'll get mine out of the way because wines, very service level. I thought it was I think FOX is great. I think they're audio is topnotch. There's, there's a clean modern presentation to it that I think is lacking by CBS. I think I think FOX and NBC do a good job. I really like FOX for. Some of their shot tracer some of the camera angles. I thought were very cool. And I think they're audio is probably the best audio of all the broadcast crazy. What a difference that makes it seems like there seems like something that would be the least important and it Scott. It's I think everything objectively on all the objective fronts. They do really, really really great job. I think it's just the fact that they don't get as many reps. Yeah. They don't they practice and they made huge strides last few years, I felt like they kind of they, they may have plateaued a little bit this year. They make more errors than anyone, there's more like audio cut, which is the most forgivable thing, I think, because I know they're trying to do a million things, and I just don't care that much about small little showed us golf shots tolerance level for what will put up with exceptionally exactly, I think they buy a lot of favor with people like us just because of how much and I got an Email from somebody today that I sent out the request after I time that CBS did twenty golf shots. Thirty minutes for somebody else at time segment. He's like, dude, I time to segment and they had five and a half minutes, commercial in that segment, which is like kind of a lot for FOX. And they showed forty Gulf shots, thirty minute segment, which is pretty damn good. I thought just one little thing that audio point that, first of all, Graeme McDowell got a lot of cover on the broadcast, which is fine. I like Graham. He was on there a lot. But won it last time. Yeah. One of the things that I thought was so cool. And I followed him, I think it was all Friday afternoon before everyone of shots. It was just. Right. And they got that every single time the deep breath, that he took right before he went to hit a tee shot. I was like dude that, now I feel like I'm standing go man. What's going to happen? Yeah. I'm not getting somebody talking over it was like that's his routine every time at every section at the same spot of every pre shot routine. And I was like, whoa, I never knew that in that I watch a lot of golf, and that's really cool was wild was Nance coming in the booth and being like, man, I've never seen. Seen some of the shots for Florida. Out there, all that, this guy has has done the broadcast from Pebble Beach, how many years Rono for CVS seventy eight. Mean it's wild. It's like, yeah, man. This is kind of over saying, Jim. Yeah. And then I think FOX Baid lost a little bit of. I wanna say identity but they lost a little bit of their mo- Joe when they hit primetime each night when they switched like they would switch it from f s one to FOX on Thursday and Friday I feel like they were trying to be all things to all people and broaden the base on Thursday and Friday when they did that when you got Stanley Cup and NBA finals on, you got golfers are watching your telecast, just keep doing what you're doing. Keep keep the keep the flow going from the afternoon, a lot of segments lot of features, which I don't even I don't we pretend like we know the business. I don't know how the business actually works and whatnot. I don't know why they have to do so many features and run for fucking fifteen hours, a day, they need to go to the bathroom. They have commercial breaks for that. And they have not. People are watching that Cedric the entertainer, I missed that one. I was at pebble mentioned, what was the, the entertainer, it was like him. Rehashing Tigers run in two thousand it was like a five minute segment, and they replayed it twice. It was it was not great. What is he was in his some show on FOX? He was in who's your caddy also. I don't know if he had a unique perspective on the golf in that way Stevie, you're tight. I thought Brad Faxon really emerged as a true next level analysts and the best color guy that FOX has. And I like Paul easing her I do. I really do. I, I didn't hear one nice word on social media about him this week. And I did not think he was spectacular. I definitely did not think he was spectacular in the broadcast, and I like the I like the folksy charm and the feel like your your buddies talking to you. I felt the reservoir, just ran a little bit dry. A little bit early in the weekend with him almost seasons. Like as in your needs to be part of a three man team. Yeah, it should be, you know, a host as for kind of the folksy, you know, quick cuts jokes. And then, like a Brad Faxon. Yeah. Why not bring facts and analyze? That's what I'm getting getting just make it a three man boots and have the two of them play off each other, as is probably better in a more free flowing. It's a lot. A lot is being put on singer. And I don't think he's put in the best position to succeed. And I think like Faxon in bacon are the best prepared golf guys to talk about golf and like buck in Zinger together. Just don't bring that same kind of Gulf Centric energy to it. You know, it's kind of more of the like you're talking about being all things to all people buck is kind of brought in there and someone, always a very polarizing figure, but he's recognizable. And like people will watch even if you hate Joe buck you will tune into watch him like Howard tune into listen to Howard Stern, if you hate him, but I don't know. I feel like the really onto something and for true, golf fans that bacon facts and do Brett Quigley. I think it's pretty good. They're on course. Guys do a really good job. And the combination of all the different shots. They give you a really, really cool viewing things where I fall out, at least with this weekend. Is it didn't feel like we've much in and out of the two booth crews seemed like it was mainly Zinger in book, at least. Saturday Sunday late in the day. Whereas I feel like in the past, they've kind of switched on and off a little bit more. Also DJ really idea for Steve Flesch to drop the c in his. Private. Because he's both flesh get it. That's coming that up. I thought I said that it confidence. Did you Steve flesh from northern Kentucky hack as you mentioned every time he's on TV? So my retirement from coverage takes. Criticize this. But I, I can set the parameters in retirement. It was from complaining about the broadcast. So I do want to say something positive I thought you'll hands was exceptional. I thought he was gills such a cool addition to the broadcast. I thought he did such a good job explaining, a lot of like you know what you're about to see what guys are trying to do. What the history of you toll was why some things can't be changed. Why some things could be changed. I thought like I forget, I think it was him at him. And. Yeah, it was him. And Joel Klatt for a while. And they were going back and forth. And that was one of the more entertaining sections of the day. So more of that I thought was more hands later in the day next year. I bet they will next year because they're wing foot. He's doing the whole the renovation there. So which does my thing. I'm just. Fuck entire the whole like primetime. It's like man. It's hard to keep yourself from watching too much golf because it comes on. Yeah. So early. And then eat stays go to sleep, the last couple of nights, because I've been jacked. Well that was probably due to Chaz reviews performance. Listen, of course, what a gritty what a gritty performance from chess, and they showed that was the other complaint with, with FOX, where they missed is listen. We're really hard on other teams for you know missing a lot of shots. I thought Jez Eddie jetted, and he played like one of the steadiest US open rounds. You could play today and they didn't show bother to show. He was never a factor to win. And I get it like there was some real drama going on. And there were three guys in the mix. So they, they focused on that they got really honed in on that. And they delivered on that. That's the most important thing. They miss some of the other stuff and not showing says if you felt a little personal did he. He's a walk on. Well, yeah. I mean that was kind of. Onto the. Kind of my block is he reminds me of? You know, when you're when you're playing high school football, and there's, there's a kid who you know, he's got no business starting. He's got really no visits feel that he might get hurt. But he's just trying so hard. And you've got kind of apathy much more talented starting quarterback or shutting receiver. And so the coach kinda uses Chaz is like jazz is the, you know, you can pick which one is in this analogy, but he's the one that the coach kinda uses to motivate the other players, like I think I mentioned this actually in the Phoenix pot when he got beat God. If I had eleven Chas reason on this team, you know, we wouldn't have to worry about getting bounced from the playoffs in the second round, really cool as Rory Chaz this week, ROY learn Lori like it literally is that quarterback that tip. Mike Davis might be the coach of the TV put put Rory Kay. I think this is good for change. If you could see Chas, you could see great for one day, it's gonna make you a better player is Chaz. The guy we always say would would be racing down a del mar in the afternoon slow. That, that one hundred ninety five pound defensive tackle who's got the face mask that nobody wants. Yeah. The bar. Yeah. The centerpiece bar that facemask, we'd like you're going to high school football practice ever, all, please, don't give you that one. Just give you the Dion one or whatever we've, we're pretty far into the pot. I don't think this names been wrenching mentioned yet until just now ROY McElroy cat was not guys. I am proud of myself Roy's, no one loves ROY Moore than me. I was proud of myself that this week like going into last night. I was like this is not falling for it's going to happen. I've seen like I'm not doing this. Yeah. And peaked early kind of. And that's where it's like you clean needs more winds on fine with him. Peaking actually fine with him not winning the US Open because it's like it's more important for him to win the British Open about her majesty the Queen. I don't know if it's an either or. I think he could Brooks not. Yeah. In a vacuum very important this year that he went. Well, why is that because he's going to be officially dead? Five full years without winning a major in some of the prime years of his so who disciplined, you more Rory or DJ. This week or this week this week because Rory's that's more of a reflection on like a my expectations for DJ have been lowered. Yeah. Not like in a joking. No. I mean, I just don't there's some about DJ just I don't have much confidence in them, whispering and trans ears. The ROY how well ROY has played this year and winning two events and one of them being a fake major like elevated what we thought of him for this week taking that back though, I didn't expect him this setup to be great for him. We deny both picked or no rain. I both picked him as well. He's not gonna win this week, so him top tending was actually not a surprise. But I think as good a fine week, he showed some grit, more than usual, just, you know, chipping manufacturing's and stuff. He played the par-five is like shed, which was. Everybody. Yeah. It's hard to this is where the takes get dumb. I think but I'm going to make me even dumber. But it's, it's really easy to forget that somebody wasn't in contention like nobody's disappointed in, like, Tony female. He missed the cut, you know. But we're saying, gosh Rory the way that he played himself into contention. And he didn't win like that's so disappointing. And so it's on one hand, you got to give props to God. He was six under three rounds at the US open. That's really good and played really good golf to get there. Yes, he did. And then making he comes out and like when you're like dude. All right, Rory. You're one of five guys on this leaderboard who can just absolutely flame. Throw that front nine and you go out and like make like the worst double ever onto cool. Oh, that's over. That's very disappointing. How many top ten's Roy's got an majors all over all of them. Probably like probably eighty is no. It's twenty twenty guys actually there you go. About. He's super talented. Yeah, he gets graded on a different on a different scale. I mean we've gone into that, but. This is I made cut at the US open since twenty fifteen and process. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's pretty jarring. So I think wing foot next year will be should prodigious good one for him to pay should have been good though too. But again, I think that just kind of puts into perspective not to bring everything back to Brooks. But just how freaking like consistent and good. He's been in, if we got this out of Rory that's what felt like a win of like walk, God. That was as close as he's been since two thousand fourteen like he's, he's knocking back on the doorstep. And if kept go to one today, he would've is rated Rory's, major career in two years. Yeah. Have been Rory. It's still. He's trending right? He's trending in the right direction. He's he's making. He want he won last week he will kind of like him going into the players where everybody was like, oh, I don't know. He's, there's all these close calls, like is he gonna win any kind of goes and boat races given hip players. I think that's, that's always thing is like it's never bad to, to just give yourself chances shout, Ricky being contention. Well before we get there. I. On the Brooks thing. I don't know if we're gonna talk about Brooks more or not. But I almost feel like I have a very similar feeling too. I know the sound stupid, but to what we felt when tiger when the masters I can't even like can't can't wrap my head around this like Brooks has been Atlanta really back. Yeah. It's, it's shocking. You don't. I don't hear anybody talking in talking about it in a way, that makes sense like everyone just kind of. Yeah. I don't know. It's pretty good, right? Like notes, historically hood. It's insane. Like people should be freaking out. But I just don't know of anybody really knows how to feel it's kind of weird bothered me. And I know by technicality willy Anderson won three straight. US Open's ending in nineteen zero five. I wanted, just we like, dude. No one has done this. Nobody's fucking straight. US. Like that would have been you're going to be hearing from Williams said nation on Twitter. Did did Brooks not today because Nike put him in a white plane hat. Well, when he was like, we can't pay out anymore, bonus money. Thank you. Can't we can't have you? I think bringing Randy's whole thing back into this. This was as live under par US open setup gets and Brooks does not win on live. Under park golf courses is interesting hills. One week to week tour either I'm saying, yeah. Speak. Still band-aiding it. It's not great. Not good. It's not great if feels like. He's giving me when I watch him. Yeah. Done look easy as an outside observer, like sometimes you just watch guys and you can just like it looks easy. Like you feel comfortable watching them speeds. You don't well that was my thing I was texting guys on Thursday before before teatime, and I'm watching him. I don't I'm not at that many vents. I don't really get to watch him up. I was watching go through his whole routine, and the chemical is out there, and he's like hands on this is fifteen minutes before he's like getting ready to go to the T for a major championship, where everyone's like you should definitely win your this is so perfect for you. And they were grinding it was so unsettling to watch and it's like very routine stuff. And of course, like I wouldn't begin to. Think that I know what they're working on or whether that's abnormal or not. But it's weird as hell to, to watch. It is stressful to watch. I feel like maybe this is Jim going for and that it's like watching somebody tried to do to stack like fifty two cards like a house make I'm not calling his game a house of cards. But it's like for a while it was like duty get to the second level, and it would fall apart, and like it would, and now he's on the third level of the cards. Is it going to happen now? And then like falls apart he keeps climbing levels, but like it's still like he's got he's leaking oil in so many places that it just never gets all the way to the top. I'm not I'm not calling a house of cards. But here's here's a two minute analogies. Oh, that's so cool. Make that analogy on Father's Day because we've been trying to potty trained, Freddie. And that's kind of help potty training feels like getting. Oh, God on toilet. On the side. Like you totally missed it. But like man, you're, you're closer third level. I was gonna say what levels yesterday? We've regressed since he got sick. But it just it just feels like happy. Father's Day, by the way, there's more and more good things going on yet. The, the things that are bad are still there in new Ming. And they bite they just rear their ugly head and you just the gremlins, Eddie Pepperell talked about. Yeah. He looked like he had mad fucking gremlins. Yeah. That's a good way to think about it wasn't had like, no grandma, and you look at KEPCO to. It's like dude, he is so free and easy. It is just pure in the moment competing and speeds feels like he's fighting and he's fighting back to Rory in feeling. Like I just don't feel the real threat in it because we're watching the guy who is the threat kept. Get is the guy that we wanted this killer that we wanted so many different players to be. And we said this after the PGA but, like he, I don't wanna say, proved even more to me, the not winning this event, actually coming in with real pressure of having one of these and having to double defend and having one guy beat you may be the most impressive of. All this. Yeah. No, you're exactly right. Like we've played three majors and two guys of beat him fright. That's four out of the last four. Yeah. And it's just it's like, when, you know, Jack talks about this, a lot and stuff too. But it's like when you put yourself in that position. And one guy be too. It's like it could go either way, you're like you're kind of, at the proverbial rub the green at that point, you know, it's just who gets rakes to chips in who makes like what in this IT Brooks is playing good enough to win. Every time he tease it up at a major, which is which is the funniest qualifier. Yeah, but like not only that now though he's got nowhere to hide. We expect it now this week was like the most expectation we've ever had. It's like all right do good. Like we're watching go do good. We're gonna watch all your shots. And for the maybe the first time since he won the first one, I felt like I cared felt like I was rooting for him to do it and getting pissed when he was hitting bad shots and felt like maybe he's burst through and it he's not always he's, I don't think he's ever going to be the real likable guy. But he's also he's successful enough now that we feel like we're watching some history, and there's a certain validation, you get when you when you feel like you're watching something that matters storage relevant, or it's a lot different to watch him at Erin hills where you're kind of, like rooting for rooting for the train to go off the tracks. Rooting for someone else to come back and win or whatever it's different to watch that than watch him today after everything that we've seen. It's like no, he's better than everyone else. Like he deserves to win. You know, that's where it almost felt like to me, it was like if he doesn't win. He's he's getting robbed because he's the best player. Well, it kind of. And I was trying to find the good good. It's hard to mean in the middle of all this going on. But like Thomas Jefferson is right in the you, ever see, like independent that somebody will have a fake, like a stuffed animal that's similar to a pet in the pet will look at it like all confused, like who's this impostor? Like that was KEPCO watching a little bit you call them the Rinaldo statue. He was like the worst version of camp. Did I looked up the Rinaldo statute that would have been very insulted who is the result of that's like maybe coke wreck? It's like the Rinaldo version of, of KEPCO Rinaldo the statue. We're talking about, like that notoriously famous bad bust. What else we got Victor Holland. I don't want to start with this with Victor hobbling, but it was like a lot of the treatment he got. He's incredible player. Sears are going to be very good pro. A lot of GM was like unbelievable accomplishment. And I looked it up. When Jordan speeds was twenty one years old, he was winning the USO as his second major one the my lead into be like, yes. He's an absolute stud, the fact that he doesn't take David's with mid irons double blows my mind. I don't understand this week like main Randy swing so hard, and he has euro fear, and that's wing. And he looks like he's tailor-made to be tremendous profession. You know what I unlike DJ? When gang is told Randy holy shit, dude. You're like you're even worse shallow than Sergio. One thing I absolutely love is I am still bummed about this year later that I didn't really watch. I forget what we were doing. But didn't get to watch much of the US at pebble last year. I love when the us is like a lead into the US open. That's a great way of doing so cool, and USDA gets gets a good test. Run to figure out what they wanna do for, for certain pain locations, and how they wanna grow their off, and I think that's such a cool thing. I hope the USA keeps doing that. I don't really I guess, we could look at the schedule of the Pinehurst year where they went back to back open in US, women's open. That was great. That was a really cool touch. So the ams going back to chambers right? And they announce that I think they did in this year not this year, but down the road, it's going back chambers day. Maybe that's a trial balloon for another US open there watching this week, also made me think like guys what were we doing? There's a Nuff when you look back at some really bad fashioned stuff. What would we do? Try to do here. But like Louis got these golf courses. I love shavers. Another look at the news up there. Pure. I just I just think that there's like I started thinking about it was like, man. How sick would it be? If I knew we knew in five years, we'd be going back to pebble. I got we know the shots. We know the golf course and I think it's. And I know it's going back to pebble in the future. But I think like what they do with the old course and it's like every five years, I know it's going to be six now like it's frequent enough time that it's not enough time that you forget the Gulf holes in forget the shots or whatnot. So speaking of pebble if you'll indulge me a few things from being on site. I thought that a, it's awesome to be at a US open haven't done that since chambers bay and one of the things that really stuck with me was kind of one of the things I said in the in the last wrap that we did, which was like the gap between majors and regular vents has never felt wider to me. I have been to the AT Pebble Beach. And I know this obvious because we're talking about the US open, and there's a ton of fan interest, and it's one of the four biggest tournament of the year. However, I think I've been to the AT Pebble Beach, three or four times and coming into the gates this week. I thought I was on a different pieces of like a different piece of property. Like I've mentioned on this podcast. Ton like, oh my God. Go to the Pebble Beach tournament like it's so relaxed. It's so chill. Like you can go see all these great golf shots. There's nobody stressed out. You're not like this week was jarring just like how much infrastructure, there is how many people there are like I was walking outside the ropes with, like somebody's and stuff and just not being able to see shots of like very low priority players. Like there's just so many people everywhere that it's impossible see shot. So where I'm going with that is not a complaint. It's just like it's crazy to see the interest in in these things compared to a regular tour. And that's I'm telling you that's something to keep an eye on. Because like I don't know how that can be like, I don't know what happens to the tour if that chasm keeps getting bigger and bigger. It's almost like the more guys like the more like the tour promotes guys. I don't think it's like people tuning into regular season events. More it's more like the more you promote Gary woodland. For winning in Tampa. The more like people are gonna be jacked up to see him at the US open. You know, and it's almost like it's almost like ripping really weird. I said, how like what is tiger scheduled for the rest of the year because the tour still seems to be at Tigers still the needle, and they she is. Yeah. And he didn't. All right. So he didn't play between the masters and the PGA. And then he played the memorial. And then he played the US open, and then it doesn't sound like it's gonna play again before the British Open presented by majesty, and then so he's like he's playing like five or six regular tournaments year now. And that's where again, I'm, I'm fully aware that like maybe I'm just biased on this because I worked at the tour for a long time. But yeah, it's it's these events like just feel like they're turning into wraps or something. It's really weird if to from a casual fans perspective, and maybe it's always been like that I was gonna say, I think PGA tour events week to week are like a local event. It's for. Local people, it's for you to come out or stop, except for its main ended on, like big ass TV contracts. Well, that's different attending an event talking about a major is like a world lying for total travel. And there those events are not meant for you to be able to follow people, I tell people this Ryder cups, like get a spot where you can see a Jumbotron you could see the other action, and you can watch everybody come through do not try to follow a group. You can't do it at majors. Don't try to follow group because there's so many people when you have the US runs one huge large men's professional event, every year, they're going to try to make a shitload of money off of it, and they do, so they have a ton of hospitality. They have also means demand. Yeah. Yeah. DJ's point to where like this travelling road show that is that the tour like it doesn't it's not really engendering that same demand. And then when they when they when they pump up Tigers, the main draw and tiger shows up five times a year, six times a year, like that, that really hurts products. That's kind of what I'm getting is it seems like both the majors and the regular tour events are like built on the same model. Right. It's TV contracts. It's, it's presenting sponsors or in the majors perspective, it's presenting sponsors of Rolex and the people we saw this week. But. When, when they're those events are getting so fundamentally different from a casual fan interest perspective, like man, I don't really know how you solve that. And I don't know what that looks like in the future is not rooting for chaos. I'm not rooting for these events to become irrelevant. But it's like how do you watch the US open at Pebble Beach, as a casual fan, and then get jacked up for like the three m or the, you know, the Quicken Loans in Detroit, and I'm going to watch events, and I'm going to be psyched about it, but it just seems like more and more like they're going to be so dependent on really hard core offense to support those events from a TV perspective, especially as things move you move into like a new TV contract and streaming and streaming services and people paying subscriptions. And that kind of stuff I don't know. Anyway, it's a whole other topic. But I was blown away at the infrastructure in the footprint and just the spectacle that major championship is because it's it is wild man. And so to see in. Did you notice it being very, very stark even relation to say the PGA championship now I think it's probably similar. I mean, the PGA is a big deal, like it's there's a lot of big footprint. There's well but I think what really drove home was just. You know it's so easy to sit in and be like God. This place should host a major. They take the US open here here here, like there's twenty places in the country that can legitimately hostess US Open. It's nuts. The amount of parking in hospitality, and all that stuff. It's just it's a good reminder in something to, to think about is casually thrown stuff around. The other thing was pebble like is so much more subtle than I think I ever realized like seeing it up close and actually like looking at a critical, I just from like a major championship perspective. You start to look at. I think a lot of people saw the green. Oh, god. The balls are spinning back on the greens. Like this is bullshit. So US open. But then you look at, like taking looking Randy, you take a whole, like number four is a perfect example, and people oh my God like these balls are spinning off the front of the green. It's like that green is tilted like thirty degrees from back to front, and the fairways, tilted, like thirty degrees. So talking to some players about this. It's like when. In that fair, you're freaking out because, you know, you're on an uphill. I to a green that's back to front and controlling the spin is half the battle. It's not like this is what I'm saying where you just make these rock-hard that's not the challenge. The challenge is supposed to be things. Exactly like that. And so I just saw a lot of stuff like that whole, like, number three where you basically whole like, number three where basically, you're sitting on a drawl lie. And to get to a lot of those pins like you have to hit a fade. There's just little things like that, that even are hard to come out in the broadcast. Even when you have all the time in the world and you have someone like you'll hands on like you still can't capture all that stuff. So just. Yeah. I don't know both. I'm both saying don't go to major because there's too many people, you can't say anything, and definitely go to a major because there's stuff you can't see on TV for sure. I think almost any golf course like going in person like when I went to Firestone for the first time I was like, oh, dude this looks way different than it does on TV doesn't make for an any better viewing experience on TV. But having that appreciation for like, oh, there's like lane movement out here that looks TV flattens, everything there were a couple of really good pictures this week of tiger guys hitting shots like in nine fairway showing death of the beach back there and was like do that, even that's what the drone shots were. So key showing the elevation change on the seventh hole. How many times have we seen that whole? I forget how much downhill that is. So that wrap around view, from the ocean showing how much higher that seventy is, is really. And that's kind of some that like you're talking about that nuance to the discussion we had about pebble being overrated before the event. I think I have even more appreciation for the golf course again as a major championship venue. Now, I think. A lot of our discussion was more based on it being course that is the other fifty one weeks of the year. Just people pay a ton of money to play that I think there are still a ton of improvements. They could make it for that to be a better experience than like whatever the fifth ranked course in the world right now. That's a separate conversation for watching it, tournament, there that was fucking awesome. That was great. Like I was tremendous. I don't have a ton of ton of criticism on that front. And I think that's where things as simple as like the brownie points segments. I know we, we don't get enough of we harp on this, how these are a lot. But something like that is such a perfect indicator where CBS like they'll not supposed to that. Word other now are will use like a graphic there. You know what people need is a graphic that this is look at look at this things moving. And now we're gonna have an arrow that comes over the over the hill, and it's gonna show you thirty four feet from top to bottom. Sometimes. Just fucking beach ball and show me how much it rolls down the hill like that. I'd be like whoa downhill that is. That's crazy in folks, deejays retirement. He's like the school administrator retired and took the pension come back. It's disgusting. Very discussing. I have a couple of lightning going to be doing cameos Brett Farr. Double dipping. That you guys they'll respect by price any cat, by the way, people were speculating these hurt. His back was all messed up speculated that he died. I don't have a lot to add on the cat. The weather was he was making an excuse for the cold weather. It was not good for him for the first time in my life, I have not maybe for the first time in my life, but definitely since the first time since all the scandal and the real bottoming out of the cat. I I've hit this point now since he won the master's where you watch him at the PGA to where it's like, you know what's, not as weak whatever. That's all right. Let's show some other guys everything feels like gravy now. Whereas it used to be like God show every shot, what's he doing? Why are we watching tiger? Now, Mike, whatever it's okay and kept kind of fills the void. Yeah. It'll totally in that like, you know he's he's the guy right now. So I don't know if the casual fan feels like that, but I think back then, like looking at twenty fourteen twenty fifteen even before that twenty twelve twenty seven where there's injuries and he's playing really good. And then he's out now. He's hurt. And now he's okay. Like we've had this long stretch where he's just, he's just been like readily available to go play golf. And it's like, yeah, we, we don't need to. Shoot seventy three that's. Treat them good today on that. Good. Yeah, it was appropriate. Matt Wallace t twelve Matt Wallace wolves mad. I thought this is one of his favorite in the world, picking on poor Vert lung at Augusta couple years ago, the PGA are the PGA. That's call them. Michael, what he made it as big as not only did he call Mike, let shocked. Let's go ahead. Now that was Ed. Wallis. Sixty minutes the cut over the verdict, clearly very excited to call this tape delayed, as thank you, Jim. This is Mike Wallace. Steps up and makes you keep burns name out of your mouth say now all he does it for every player, whatever they like I see. This is Greg Woodley coming. Say Matt Wallace t twelve having a pretty good year on the heels of really good your last year. Really, really good your last year, he's going to be popping in the top twenty in the world here, the wins once or twice more. He could be the news. Wanted to just get thing to put on the radio, but a little calendar, reminder there Zander. How about Zander, Randy ah? You're all over that one straight US opens, you look. He's finished sixth fifth and now third. Is he the controls years? Yeah. He seems like a very unless you tell you to get set up. Without looking without looking at the anything online. How many guys are what, what are the guys that shot under par every round this week? That's always my favorite. I know one because the broadcast was Jon Rahm. Yep. And the other two are willing to give okay? Okay. It's only three when I started to ask it, I thought it was shop Shafi was one of them, but he was not. But. I thought quiet t- three for him. I thought mad Fitzpatrick had a good week expect into play. Well there and he did. Adam Scott has been contending his balls off lately. It seems like he is in contention all the time without really being a threat to win. He just always seems like he's on the other side of the Gulf. Here's here's Scott. Putting for birdie opinion for fifteen feet. He's playing the north course today, see what he's doing Joe. He's leaving the pit in on this. Yeah. And then they come inevitably they come back, like forty five minutes later, you see miss eighteen inch, oh, it's just not as wing. Shallots Nate Lashley finished one under par for the week hung around. I think people were expecting him to get vaporized a little bit Aaron wise, bounced back today after seventy eight or seventy nine yesterday. Can we talk about the speed Gretler exchange? I know we talked about it on the live show, but I missed I missed all this as well. So speed hits t shot on the eighth hole. The Thursday or Friday, one of those is it was Thursday. He it's his teeshot in the water on a goes over the cliff long long. And then he hits a second his third drops as third shot over the green. And then, like with the with the FOX camera got right there. Like almost like he turns to the cameraman to say this not even Gretler breaking the fourth wall. He's like I shot two shots to perfect shots. Mike, you got me in the water off the tee and another one long there. And it was and then Twitter melted down on that one, which I was partially responsible. I, I try to be responsible and said, hey guys, not gonna have any Mike and. Aren't gonna have any comment at this time? And then I said, you know, this really chaps my ass like I couldn't I couldn't sit silent and you can't sleep on that. No. I think it's just because he does all the we stuff all the time. Yeah. I just the chirpiness has gotten to the point where he's just it's tough to watch, and then the rake happened the following day, which I don't know, who's putting a rake up at the top of the phone. The rake things are totally separate thing. I don't ever blaming griller for the rate. I don't hit it. He was very, very clearly blaming Gretler for what happened on eight which to me, like, like Gretler tried to talk him. Like he said, I, I like one less than this and speed hit, which we, we don't know if he hit one more than griller had suggested. We don't know what he had in his hand. It wasn't like no, I'm hitting one more. And then going on. I think that would just seemed so like, like seems so removed from it. He seems so emotionally detached from the decision making the conversation to where it's like he just needed somebody to blame on the back end, and that's fine. And maybe that's part of their relationship had a bunch people reach out and say this isn't like this is nothing like if this was bad. Yeah. I get it like it's. Yes. Guys like those guys don't don't stand up for the round and say, we, we team. I'm we, you know, so Victor Deuba son. I think it kind of the conclusion, we got to was like is very clear that speech should take responsibility for all the decisions being made and at the same time, like Gretler should probably probably would mitt that he made a mistake there, he should not have had a club in his hand that could have got in the water off this, and we're going to have our sit down this week and we're going to talk. And I thought that we'll bardwell friend of the program, eight fantastic. Tweet about Jordan's beef. And basically, this is just a veiled availed shot at bitching at the caddies and all that stuff. I said, I fancied myself, an intellectually consistent person, I've always liked Jordan speech, but disliked Bubba Watson. I'm beginning to feel intellectually inconsistent, which is pretty fair. That's like says anything people like fuck. This guy, what's deal. I saw some that do then that you'd have been all over, you know what? Yes. That's that's. Yeah. It's not great winds about everything else. But I can't stand to see him and him and griller. I know you know, that's like the one in this crazy world talking to talking to some of the guys who were who were there, like falling that group. They're like, you know, it's really weird being like in the vicinity. And this is where one of the real unique things about golf is, you know, it's so quiet out there, all the time that when somebody does yell something, it's just like a vicious headshot, like everybody hears it. And so it's really quiet after shot, you know, there's people are just kind of milling about and someone will just yell like. Griller you know, and you know that like everybody heard it everybody's thinking about it. Everybody's like people think that we're fighting and now like they're going to analyze everything we do thing. Now it's thing so yeah. Apparently that was that was really thick in the air out there, which is kind of fun. All right. So we're like an hour and twenty minutes in here. I do want to give a shout out to the gun, Canadian tour MacKenzie, Tori. Excuse me shot. Fifty nine today. To have everyone. Everyone out Charlie and savannah. Nobody will understand what that means. Except for Charlie. Maybe one other person. All right. Thanks, everybody. For tune in this week, major weeks are a lot of fun things. Tune into the live shows and everyone here for staying up late on a Sunday night. Now we're back to normal normal schedules. So we're going to be upper mid west. We're going to be at Minneapolis this week. Tron Randy knife. Trump for a few days. Randy. And I all week for the KPMG women's PGA annual stop at the PGA so we have one more thing on this week Tuesday at noon, almost forgot noon eastern the debut of tourist season. Three our road trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco. So tune in for that, Randy, I'll give you a quick sneak peek. Rainy gets absolute baptized by his Lord and savior, George gang kiss in episode one. So Tuesday at noon Tuesday at noon eastern, I think we used to do eleven we're going to do because it's our show. We did everyone Tuesday at noon on the YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash what time to noon. Thanks for asking. High noon. Just twice cut once. Fetal right club today. Better than most. About. Better than most.
Which Redskin Exec Do You Trust?
"You want? It you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports. Big zip. Tommy here today. Aaron is here. This shows presented by window nation. If you're in the market for windows. Call eight six six ninety nation or go to win donation dot com. And tell them that we told you to call Scott van pelt from Gusta coming up shortly. Greg was Shinsegi who covers the NHL for ESPN coming up as well. We've got a couple of things that we want to get to here in the open including a Redskins question that Tommy has for me and himself, which we will try to answer NATs role last night. I mean they've gotten a little bit of offense here. And and not only that Harper was oh for in that game. Yeah. I mean, you gotta love what you're seeing from Juan Soto and Victor robos. I mean, there's a lot of reasons to love that for one thing they seem to be having so much. Genuine fun when they play. I mean, emotions that they're showing is or contagious, and the fact is effort next five to six years. They're here. They're not going anywhere. That's your future right there. So there's a lot of love in that. But again, you know, six and five is better than the collapse. You know winning the series against the Mets and the Phillies is better than losing it. But they lost at least two games early in the season that they could have one. If it wasn't for base running mistakes and errors that had nothing to do with the bullpen. And if they look back on the season, and they wind up two games short in division to the Phillies the Mets earlier back to April that you should. Okay. You should because. Yeah. Gary never going to be a few more that they should have won that they that. They don't play. They're playing win. They shouldn't have won. They're playing fifty five game Syra. Sees a lot of games against those teams. Okay. That's the season that they need to pay attention to. We haven't mentioned in not that you weren't going to get to it here. But Trevor Trevor Rosenthal finally got I know his first outs, but he came in. I mean, like I'm wondering when you come into the ninth inning with a fifteen nothing lead. And all they want is just you to get some people out for the first time all year how much there was no game pressure in that moment. Clearly because he wasn't going to be allowed to give up sixteen runs in the ninth inning. But he had just feel like I got to get somebody out everybody else's played in pitched great tonight. And then Tommy he walks three people and gives up the only earned-run of the night. I know I know look, I my my idea would have been to have sent him out of town and let him work this out someplace else, but they can't just do that they need his permission to do that. And I don't know if they've asked him even. If that's what he would run to do. But they have you mean, they need their his Norrish, and they could say, well, if you don't do it you're out of here. Well, they could do that. They're not going to do that. Because he's throwing one hundred miles now. I know I told you then go got some bad, you know, bad calls. So you don't get rid of guys who can throw the ball hundred miles an hour, you just keep on and hoping that they can find the plate. I would rather he find that plate at Harrisburg than in Washington. But that doesn't seem to be the way they're going to do it for whatever reason. And if it's a control thing, and he you know, he had a little bit better control last night that he had in the past that will come around. He'll get that. Again. It's not a physical thing if it's a control thing, arguably that's the last thing that comes into play when you're coming back from Tommy John surgery. So he could look let's let's do a glass half full thing. He could be lights out at some point. This could be I mean because because I when I. Oh him in spring training. I said he was unhittable. When a scout saw him this off season convincing. The nets assign them. That's Coutts said he was on hit -able. Well, he's been on Hannibal mostly because he can't throw the ball over the plate. He's been very walkable as a pitcher. Once he gets those walks out of the way, he may be unhittable. The NHL playoffs are under way and Tampa lost game. One blowing a three nothing lead to Columbus. The team that beat the caps in their first two games in Washington last year in the first round we're going to have Gregoire Shinsegi on a little bit later on. We'll start off by asking him about Tampa's first game one loss because that is the team that is really the favourite to win this whole thing. You know, I love I love Columbus. Coach John Tortorella because he is she the pre-game. Yeah. He is such a lunatic. He's and so interesting, and so fun to have around in the postseason. So e e. He always makes life a little bit more interesting. If not maddening I did turn on the islanders pens game for the very beginning of it in that arena of sun believable. That's an insane asylum feel that thing coming through the television. And this was the first game one at home. The first time the islanders have had home-ice advantage in any series since eighty seven eighty eight while that's how that's overseas one year. No, so berry trots must be God on the island. These days must be. Yeah. The caps opened tonight with Carolina in game one. We will talk to to Greg about that. I worry detail for that game. Good for you. You can read my column in the Washington Times. I wrote about the locker room atmosphere going into this series, and I'll be covering the game and posting on on the web as well. Tonight. Washington Times the locker room that miss fear. Lemme lemme guess that you wrote about. That they don't have to face the feeling. What's the number one question? We would ask each other or ask a guy like Greg was Shinsegi or Joe b before every playoff series or every postseason started before except for this one. And that is how can that how can the cops overcome their their annual collapse where where will it go ran basically where and how and why will it go wrong and went and the nobody felt that suicide your clouds. Well, it's basically because they've got the monkey off their man. Basically, my calm starts out saying the coffee should tasteless a little sweeter in the in the locker room this year, the skates should be a little looser everything should feel better. Because they they've know what they've done, and and they've they own up to it. They don't want away from it with cliches by saying well last year was last year. This is a whole new season. They say you'd have to be a fool not to recognize trots at GM talked about how the building that. Remember, they earn. Urged fans that if you had that moment of getting down at home. You know, we we feel it when you're dealing it. Please don't feel angst ridden be more positive like they were really looking for for help. They were desperate for yet. They overcame all of those in. There were multiple opportunities store last year. I didn't do it. Yes. There are. So that they recognize that they acknowledged that they should feel different only human nature the feel different. But like I point now my com, you know, the randomness of postseason hockey could make those good feelings just a distant memory. You always have to keep that in mind. You were I don't think they're going to lose the Carolina Carolina and they dominated Carolina during the season. They beat them. I think in four games that they played. And I this would be a far worse collapse than losing to eighth seed Montreal when they were two President's Cup winter sat year, I don't see them. I don't see that happening. I think they're going to dominate the hurricanes in series. I think what happened last year makes it, you know, all house money. It's all it's a house money situation. But I also think because of what you said, and I agree with you that they will play more loosely. I think they're the most dangerous team in this post-season. Like, it's not going to surprise me. If they win a Cup here. You know, remember last year, we I think you and I did this together. I forget if we did it together of was somebody else. But there was for me, the the Ovechkin comp was Elway. You know, arguably the greatest at his position for a long period of time that never was able to win a title, and it was different than Barkley and Ewing with certain degree Elway because it was late in his career. And it was getting late in Ovechkin square. Elway finally got it. And by the way, when you least expect it, you know, they made that run in ninety eight they ended up beating favourite Packer St.. They were nine and a half point underdog in the Super Bowl, and it was mostly Terrell Davis, which is different from what the capstick because veteran was a massive part of it. Yes. But once he got over it. It's like they want the next year to. Yeah. You know, look they're capable of doing it. A lot of it will depend on last year's postseason hero Kuznetzov. You know, he didn't have the regular season. I think everyone thought was coming following his remarkable postseason performance. But he just may be post-season guy. We'll find out if if because nets off and Ovechkin are playing at the at their at their playoff peak. The capitals are going to be awfully tough to stop as far as scoring. Yeah. I I'm looking look it's random this this post and the Cavs water. We're different ways to score. They have a lot of offensive firepower on that team agreed one year ago today, I was at Augusta for the first time, and we're going to have Scott on from Agusta. We'll talk. A lot of golf with him. But I don't know that I've ever told you the story that I tell you about the story where Jason day his first tee shot a number one last year hit me. No, you didn't. I didn't tell you that. So a year ago today, I'm down the first fairway always that period where you weren't talking. Well, that's not true. I was always sometimes you weren't available. You not not as much as you are now that we're working together. You took me if you days to be able to reach you during those couple years, we were we were not working together. But a year ago at Augusta which was spectacular that was a bucket list item for me to go to the masters in. I'm down fairway number one in Jason days on the t box, and I hear incoming I couldn t we were so far away from the t box for down. I it's so far down the fairway, and I didn't have been Oculus. I didn't care one way or the other. But I heard the incoming and I just turned in the ball hit the ground in nailed me right in the me right in the knee and bounce Tommy right behind a tree. Really? He had. No shut. And everybody's like do. You got to move out of the way. Now, he's behind the tree. I'm like, are you are you serious? Did you get yelled at a one? They were everybody was joking. It was more. It was very tongue in cheek. But a couple of guys who are like, dude, you gotta we'd said incoming you got to move. Now. He's got no shot from behind a tree. Like, oh, whatever he gets up to it. He looks at it. And he's like, oh, he had no shut. So he had to chip sideways through the fairway. So he chipped sideways through the fairway and the chip landed in somebody's beer Cup. They were holding their beer in their hand and the ball landed in the Cup, and that became it went viral on social media the guy by the way, he walked over picked the ball up out of the Cup, and then gave him some autographed glove and gave it to him. I didn't ask for it. But apparently, that's the deal you get hit. Or if there's some situation they'll give you a glove signed glove. I don't wanna. Sign glove. I don't need his glove. And I didn't ask for it. And other people are asking for it. But he just didn't really pay attention. But the the golf ball in the Cup filled with beer went viral. So you've got up staged. The only reason it was there is because of what happened with the shot four forgot about you within with one shot within thirty seconds within one shut it was. And it's funny because the next day or the next week when I got back Cooley said you're lying about the shot hitting your knee. I'm like, what are you talking about? He goes that that shot landed in a beer Cup. And I saw the guy I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. 'cause I'm at the tournament. I had not seen the video thing about Jason days. Second shot on the first I go, Chris. I'm telling you, the God's honest truth. I'm not lying. He's like here. It is. And he shows it to me. And I said that's the second shot the first shot hit my leg. He was sipping sideways because it hit my leg and landed behind the tree. And then this is like this is like the second guy getting the credit for walking on the moon instead and the Armstrong I was Armstrong. Yes. Anyway, I am very much looking for it. I know I couldn't care less about this. But I only could. I will I'm I'm Gulf pool, you know, year round. But I'm I'm so into to the majors, and I'll be watching this today. Tomorrow Saturday Sunday, I'll watch the game tonight. It's it'll be on after the Gulf watch the hockey. And then we've got NBA playoffs this weekend. The NBA playoff field is that you were gonna ask me a question. I wasn't going to ask you a question. What was the question? I wasn't gonna ask you a question. Now, you don't want to ask the question. I was just going to say I'd rather I'd rather bet on a quilting bee than that on on a golf tournament. It's not you're not really it's just part of a pool you pick players in its year long thing anyway. Well, we'll we'll we'll wo-. Do you have anything left on your bucket list? Yeah. What on thank Duke Carolina Cameron indoor. Okay. I got a couple of college football venues like to go. See I've not been to a Notre Dame game in south bend. That's on the list. Okay. For whatever reason I think when I was betting horses when I was much younger, my friend, Mike, and I went to the track all the time. I've told you the stories about that that the derby was definitely on my list. But I never made it never met Irby been in the Preakness punch. It's still worth it. Yeah. It's still worth zero interest in the five hundred zero interest. Have you ever been to that? Now, I've never been to that. What's on your bucket list? I've been to both Olympics in you didn't really go to anything when you're in Sydney. That's not true. That's not show. This one wrote a column from a restaurant and a bar a bar stool, and it was the opening ceremony. Skipjack like you were there though. I didn't act like I was there. You wrote like you were there. You know? I can't think of anything on a bucket list a place on a bucket list. Is this is remarkable. I've never been to Dodger Stadium. Really? Yeah. People are shocked at that. You know, what it's it's actually it's not that. Impressive. What it's it's when you're in there you realize, but it's old. And it's I I went to Dodger Stadium. Now, this is years ago when I was travelling to the west coast a lot not for this business, but for for another one, but I I you know, I told you I went to I commuted from here to Boston for a year and a half. This was in early two thousands. I went to Fenway like twenty five times I've been to Fenway a lot. Yeah. I love I I love Fenway too. I'm very lucky that I've I've covered so many great events Super Bowls, NBA finals Stanley Cups. Heavyweight title fights is Dodger Stadium on your list. Dodger Stadium might be the only thing about Wrigley. I've never been to regularly Wrigley. I don't like it as much as Fenway like Fenway more. But, you know, maybe maybe it's the idea of the Brooklyn Dodgers keep me away from Dodger Stadium. Maybe that's it. You know, you've been to both Olympics winter and summer, right? Yes. I have what was the Winter Olympics? She went to Salt Lake. It was Nagano. I've been to Nagano and Salt Lake. Okay. But the first one was Japan. And then the summer you were in Sydney where you in LA. No, no, Atlanta. No, no. The only Summerlin they wouldn't let you back. Well, I'm just saying that Sydney Olympics for media where the greatest Olympics ever. I mean because I mean, the one thing the exchange rate for money may made it like play money. I mean, it was it was unbelievable people were trying to spend their expense accounts in the last week of the Olympics. Who said it was it was everything was so cheap, and you know in Sydney their world class parties. And and what else they love Americans. They really do. So it was that with that was the. The Olympics Vitale it's nothing compared to that my brother-in-law and sister-in-law lived in Sydney, and we went over there. That's the only problem with that is the length of trip, but it is awesome. When you might length trip story, I think I do. Yeah. Basically, I convinced the PR guy at I think it was Qantas to put me on wait lists for first class. I think you've told me the story and I flew back and forth first class. Even though I paid coach in fact when I flew over there. I had they had these planes. He's double decker planes. I had the whole second deck of first class to myself really metro and that is a long trip. Anyway, that was we'll talk masters with Scott. I the you know, the NBA playoffs. I think it's in part because the wizards aren't in. And I, you know, I've enjoyed the years here recently when they've been in the postseason, I've gotten more much more excited about it. I there's one series. I'm actually going to watch. Okay. See got a great draw. Here is the succeed, and they got Portland as the three rather than having to face Houston. Now, you got a Golden State Houston more likely than not semi-final series out west. Whereas now, okay sees got a chance against Portland and then potentially Denver to get to the Western Conference finals. I'd like to see Oklahoma City, Golden State. It's one thing. I'm rooting for. None of the east. I mean, I guess I I I'm I'm gonna be interested to see what Milwaukee can do and attend to come out and help for finals do nothing for me. Absolutely nothing. It's really sad. I'm very sad about my feelings about the NBA 'cause I didn't love any sport more than I loved the NBA and it's become a Kardashian sideshow. Did you see last night? The join Wade finale in Brooklyn with LeBron Carmelo. Oh, no, no. Here's a question for you all love each other. And they're all great. Here's. A question for you. Because what we've seen the last two nights with their can wait Dirk or wait, which one out. Derek definitely air Turk. Come on. Nobody did very few guy. You know? It's funny guy just went into the whole team who did it before Dirk. And that was Jack sigma basically the first big sick. Mitch just get into the whole gotten the whole fame behind me. He wasn't a whole because of his of his position as a big offensive center, wasn't offensive center was lamb beer. Well, not like not like a lot like sigma. I mean, he had a move that that lamb veered wasn't the same offensive class. He was a good shooter. Am beer was a good. I know I meant lamb beer, we could shoot it. But he didn't have the same thing that set shot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I think sigma Guidon more for basically his place in the transition of the game as much as anything, but Cirque did stuff that we never seen before anyone that size to and and. Well, I take either one. But of the two I was building a team. I'd want her. Yeah. I'm not minimizing Wayne way Dwayne Wade's of a lock first ballot hall of famers. Well, but you know, in years past when we've done, you know, we're we're would he fall? And remember the big thing where I told you Dr Jay's overrated coach Thompson came in and scolded me for twenty minutes. But you know, if you were to put together, you know, the top twenty list of a great assemby players of all time. I think Dirks on that list. I don't think twain Wade's on that list. I'm not saying twain weights far from that list. But Dirks ahead of Wade. I agree, and you know, the title that he won in two thousand eleven when they beat you know, the heat and LeBron that was when he was hiding in corners, and he had a major anxiety issue going on in those NBA finals, but you know, Tyson Chandler was huge for that team. But dirt carried that team. Yeah. And and Wade had shack in two thousand six and he was brilliant in two thousand. And six and then was brilliant at times with LeBron to I'm not going to minimize his his contribution to those title teams. They were massive. But Dirk carried Dallas. I agree with everything you're I just don't have the same juice for the NBA playoffs. Like like, I you. So maybe at once they start. Okay. More into it. All right. Asking me the the Redskins question. You asked me before the show started. Well, there's so much speculation about what they're going to how they're going to choose when it comes to their player development challenges facing them, the mo- most obvious is quarterback. But if they don't if they make a trade for quarterback who would they draft then with the fifteenth pick, and it made me think, you know, my my go-to move is you know, that it really doesn't matter who they pick. But in that building, you know, part of the debate has been how much influences shake Gruden have in the decision making and personnel. Does he have less than a used to does? He have more than he used to. He made it clear in his post season press conference last year that they need to be on the same page when it comes to personnel issues. So of this murderer's row of Brian. Brilliant talent evaluators, let's see I'm going to include dance Snyder in this dance Snyder, Bruce Allin Doug Williams, Jake Gruden Elsom Heil smear Schaefer, Eric garner, though, six. If you could pick the one that you would trust the most to select the town for this team to be the final arbitrator as to who they would pick, and it doesn't necessarily mean you think he's good at it. He could be the least of all the evils which one of those group you can only pick one is going to be say saying is the final decision making. I have to pick one you have to you have to pick one. I can't trade known. Because there's no one tree to no one wants to come. I love this question. Because with my answer, I'm going to give some insight here. I don't think it's necessarily a revelation. But and I think you're gonna know what I'm talking about. But I think some people out there will hear this and not have really felt this way about this particular person. Jay Gruden would be my first choice in terms of. I think he's probably got the best talent evaluating I, but my concern with Jay is whether or not he'd really put in the work. You know, I don't think Bruce would admit that. Jay's got the best talent evaluating I, but I think others in the organization would say that. But I think they also might say the concern would be will. He do the legwork that must be done. So you think Jay sleazy, I think that j you know, might prefer to be out playing golf and drinking. And some beers rather than watching ten games of a player rather than you know, a cursory, you know, one or two to say, hey that guy. That's my guy right there. I just told me to watch some games. I watched the one game Leshner you had against Texas Tech. That's my God rather than doing what you know. True fulltime talent evaluating people do which is they put in a lot of work. It's a grind this business guy. Like Hal, Jay, probably does J J loves, you know, I think that there's a lot of gimme a game to watch. I don't wanna watch anymore in that. I got I got a golf tee tomorrow at dateable day centered. I'm drink some beers. We're going to be good. I'm not saying that would be his answer. I'm saying that's probably what he would end up doing. So I think Jay has the best talent evaluating. I, you know, who said that recently again for like the second or third time with Scott McClellan on John Coombs podcast. He actually. We said about Jay Gruden on calms podcast. Jay's the best talent evaluator of any coach. He's been around Pete Carroll, men green and cetera. So I do think that Jay would be my selection. But I'm telling you what my concern would be. But the bottom line is is Jay coming in with a half hearted effort would be better than Bruce for sure would be better than Eric. Definitely. Would. I think. Yes. Would be better than Doug Kyle Smith. You know, a lot of people like Kyle allot in would probably give you Kyle Smith as the answer. And I would take child Smith before I take Bruce Eric and probably Doug to I've want Doug evaluating my quarterbacks. But I just don't know enough about Kyle Smith to say that I agree. I agree with that a lot a lot of what answer a lot Kyle Smith love. And I don't know what he's. Like, I've never met him. So I don't know if he's everybody likes everything you hear about Kyle Smith is he's a professional and these young and that he's going to move up the ranks. I know that you hear that from people who like him. Yes. And you hear that we've heard that with the what's funny is we didn't hear that from people in the organization necessarily about Sean McVay. We heard it from Cooley first before anybody else, and then all of a sudden, he's gone. Well, Kyle Smith gone yet. Yeah. Nobody's plucked him. Yeah. No, no, no. He's still, but they they did give him an elevated. Do they elevate his title this year? I forget I mean, we know that they did that with Matt cavenaugh. All right part of the decision easy because you eliminate. A large segment of the of the group based on how horrible they are at it. You know, which would mean Bruce owl. And which would would mean Eric Schaeffer, which would mean Dan Snyder, which would okay? So so you've already lemonade them. Doug Williams, hasn't done anything to prove to you that he's a good town evaluator. The only thing we've seen from Doug Williams that that e- from the outside looking in that we can judge are basically public mistakes public mistakes representing the organization fair. And I we don't we don't we have no idea mistakes after he was put in positions that in my view. He shouldn't have. I do. I agree that he should have been others higher up the owner or the team president should have been. He was handling the press conferences and answering those questions he was hung out to dry. So I'm not. I'm not saying Doug Williams. But I put him up above the the guy said, I just eliminated. I'm gonna agree with you. I'm gonna agree with you about Jay Gruden lazy or not is his Maya town evaluate because I think the chances of Jay Gruden getting it right with a cursory examination are better than the other guys watching film twenty four hours a day seven days a week. No. I didn't give you an answer that I just thought of and you you're not gonna miss your love my answer. Oh, what he sees you? He is in the organization, do well, nobody nobody has a better talent evaluating either item Cooley in the organization, he's not technically, I guess he technically does work for the organization, but they're never going to give him that opportunity or they might they might at some point, by the way, I want to point out. I said no to Eric Schaeffer in terms of talent evaluator, but Eric Schaeffer would one hundred percent be my lead guy on everything contractual at cetera. Yeah. I would do. Do that. But I would think in this organization. I'd be thinking outside the box constantly because the box inside the boxes nothing. Right. But that's not what I asked you right there. It's not a box. Kevin. It's a prison. That's my favorite line from Tommy all year long, and one of my favorite lines of his in any colonies ever written when DJ swear injure with cut Tommy said, if you really wanted to punish DJ swear, injure, you would've made him stay. That was brilliant. All right. Well, so I mean, I think we both agree that it would be Jay grew. It would be. But I'm just telling you Jay Gruden g gruden's in average football coach. And ultimately the results of him in personnel would be averaged to. Yeah. Well, that would be because Jay Jay is. I think he's creative. I think he's got talent. I just would always wonder whether or not this was going to be the most important thing to him. And if he were going to really grind it out. I think if you told j look, you know, we're we're putting the ball in your hands. You know, you you can be you can be the guy that selects he might not. But remember part of this whole process when they're picking the players allows him to sa- got who got you know, what I got. I got Josh dachshund. I got a guard right number that line. Right. I'll coach whoever's on the dang field. Right. You know? A lot of people think they can do a better job. And he probably can but deep down don't want the opportunity to prove it. Well, I'm not looking at one of those guys right now. I don't know what depends on what. It depends on what we're talking about. But I guarantee you I'm looking at one right now. All right. Let's get to van pelt, right? After we tell you about window nation. It's window nations annual spring cleaning sales event are your windows, having issues cracks hard to open unusual moisture or are you just window shopping? If so call window nation today and schedule a free in-home estimate window nation will save you. Thirty three percent off your entire purchase windows, siding and doors all included get up front pricing and no hidden terms. 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All right. Let's bring in Scott Scott's down in Gusta at the master's, give us your schedule. What's your schedule? Like, I know you were you know, you and Andy were doing some stuff yesterday for the par-three what what's the schedule the rest of the weekend. Tuesday. When it they're they are our busiest days by far Tuesday's the press conference day. We're on for like four consecutive hours yesterday. We get three hours sports in the morning that we did the par-three we did in our show after that my schedule now is is pretty much late lifting. But it's you know, it's the important stuff. I suppose we were the Butler cabinet three. And you know, the broadcast comes on the air. And here we are from the masters, and it to CBS broadcasting explained through the years with you. I mean, we're I'm not calling golf per se. I mean, maybe in in the very beginning. I will. But we just handed off to Jim Nance and the CBS golf crew and Curtis. Strange, and I are mostly just there to kind of reset the scene. Maybe do some interviews in the Butler cabin and whatever else so that the heaviest lifting from just hours of work standpoint has is done. And now we get to just kinda watch the Gulf which is which is the tree does. But when you're in Butler cabin today and tomorrow, you're interviewing players have just finished. They're round in Nance. Throws it to you. Right. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, look, we're part of the broadcast rights just I just think like, for instance, when we would ESPN had the US open, and we did grounds one and two that was an that was an ESPN crew NBC got the weekend. But we would blend the two into one another Mike to Recode be in the boost. I'd be in the booth vice versa with the NBC crew. But here like, you know, it's not like me or anyone else goes into eighteen power. I mean, that's that's an Nancy. And it's it's the CBS broadcast. But we are as I say, we're in you know, ingrained in the broadcast. But it's as I also said, it's just not a whole a whole lot of the work. So it's funny thing Kevin is you know, I I get caught watching the golf on the monitor. And then all of a sudden land Spero who is who's the director and the producer of for CBS. Get my air and say we're coming about the cabinet. And I'm thinking, oh crap. I'm on TV, you know. It's like you forget. Because you've been kinda just lulled into his hypnotic state. Just watching the doll. Hello friends. Jim Jim Nance has quite a gig. I mean the the last few weeks with the tournament and then to Augusta to call the masters each year. I mean, I think you've got a good gig. And I think a lot of people in sports broadcasting have good gigs. But does that get discussed among you know, you heavyweights in the sports broadcasting industry about how good a gig Nance has no doubt. The heavyweights. But I mean, of course, of course, it's a I mean, it's just it's the kind of thing that when I see Jim I'll always just, you know, always just smile and shake our head. They have out this week. And look he's he's self aware. He knows that calling the national title game on Monday in Minneapolis. And then being in Augusta on Tuesday to call the masters as a starting a week on a Monday with one title, and then ended on Sunday with another and they're two of the biggest titles. American sports. You're doing them. I mean, it's it's been a hell of a run. But Jim is always been really kind to me, and especially in the Gulf of side of things always been so supportive, and and, you know, just, you know, just always an encouraging where which really means a lot because I mean, you know, he he is an actual heavyweight in the business. So it's nice to have somebody like that, you know, pope, and you up, you know, Tommy's not a golf guy, and he's made fun of golf all of all of the Gulf people, and the people that love golf throughout his entire. Distinguish but I'm not going to do in journalism career. Now do that today. But I got a chance last year to go to Augusta for the first time it was, you know, a bucket list item for me, and it was even better than I could have ever expected. You get to go there every year for somebody like Tommy because you just said that you and Nance look at each other net skits to call everything Super Bowls and the whole thing, but this may be the most special week of the year for him. Explain to somebody like Tommy y Augusta's so spectacular and special. Well, I think I think what it really boils down to is. And I get the IRO from someone who enlisted let me be clear like I didn't grow up at a country club grew up playing. I my my my my first rant of golfing DC. Right. Hanes point. Okay. And I played it west golf park out and look Gumri county where I live. So I'm not some country club guy who grew up, you know, dreaming of playing in the Walker Cup or something, but golf is obviously something that in my professional life became what I did. And then I came here to the masters in ninety seven the very first time and tiger did what he did. And the thing about Augusta National is that there is a there is a significant number of people who come back every year. And maybe some of them are members. Maybe some of them are as they are called to your patrons. Maybe it's the club rep guys that you see or or gal that I have a good friend from titlis that I see every year. And just it's the renewal of friendships. There's this gigantic oak tree that's in the back of the clubhouse that is it manages to cash shadows on about a hundred and fifty yards of ground and people just stand under there and watch the world go by just stood out there and watch tiger walk by not long ago to get ready to go, you know, jump into competition here, and there's just it it feels different man. And I it's hard to describe it the aesthetic of it. But it feels different you feel like you're lucky to be here. I always call it like church like if you wanted whether you believe or not when you're there, you you you act, right? You know what I'm saying? I think people act different here. They don't scream mashed potatoes. Like, I hit the golf the whole thing about it is is and it's and it's just a spectacularly beautiful place. When you look around like it exceeds what you think it might be. So I understand it's not for everybody. You know? But like the beauty of it is it doesn't have to be. If you don't if you're not into it. Then don't be into it. It's not a problem. Sounds magical. I get it. Like the box will read it looking at half hours post gave it keeps score. But don't people do. And I don't I try not to mock those be the reason that people don't scream and yell is because they're afraid of being arrested by the stop. Oh there. I mean, come on. Let's face it. I read the St Paul police a columnist in New Jersey dot com. Had a great story about a guy a couple years ago who sell who took a couple of sand and how his life was destroyed by taking by trying to take a Cup of sand. And that was a pretty frightening story for for me to read, but I'm gonna play it straight here. And by the way, Kevin Kevin throws around that word heavyweights in broadcasting because he thinks he's one to hard. So that's why he's so we are talking to one. That's why so ready. You humble the say it how long have you been going down there to Augusta? How I mean how many masters is ninety seven was the first one. I. I don't think I went to everyone. I want to say there might have been ninety eight or ninety nine I can't remember if I missed one or two so it's been I just save is a rough estimate. I'd say twenty okay. What what's been the biggest change in culture or the atmosphere or is the is the beauty of it that there's been no change. When I think Augusta national's changed considerably. I mean, just in terms of and it's it's gonna change slowly. But it certainly changed. I mean in terms of membership. I mean, Martha Burk famously protested there are no female members. And now there are there are not that. I don't know the number, but it's more than a couple Condoleeza Rice is a member. Which actually is a funny story. I was standing in the in the grill, and I heard a female voice behind me say SBP, and I turned around, and it was Condoleeza Rice. And I I don't 'cause much when it comes to, you know, I'm not in a loss for words much, and I just said Madam secretary, and she said Condie. And I said, okay. So now when I see Condoleeza Rice, I smile, and I wait, and I say Condie. And she says Espy, which is cool. But like the membership has changed they had a tournament with with the women's amateur this weekend. They do the drive chip. And putt where you know kids. Get a chance to come out here. They talk about growing the game. And it is a private. A club. And so their membership. Is there is up to them? But that has changed then them being more open to from TV side televising, the par-three contests just giving people more of a view inside this place that that I think is almost like mythical to those who haven't seen it. So the volume of it's the same the the move to the same when you come here. But you know, they're evolving on other people that would say that it should happen more quickly. I mean, it's. Every club makes its own dishes decisions for itself. And and I think just from looking at it from the prism of television. And what they're doing with with the the women's amateur and the drive chip and putt in the par three contest. As I mentioned all these things are really positive, and obviously TV side. We'd love it to be from the minute. They tee off until the moment. It ends be on TV. But they're big believer. That less is more. When it comes to that the most amazing part of it. Tommy cara. My wife couldn't care less about golf for sports. And and it is Scott said early on it's aesthetically beyond what you would ever think there's not a bladed grass at a place, it's eye-popping greens and yellows and pinks and my wife who loves aesthetically pleasing, which is I'm sure why she married me. She she she would have been blown away. And I tried to explain it to her. I'm like that was the most amazing. I mean, I I'm a huge Gulf fan, and it was cool to to to see the holes that I've watched so many times over the years on television to see him up close. And by the way, Scott that's the other thing for the people that have never been there. It's the it's the the steepness of the hills on some of these holes. I mean, it's it's a tough walk. I mean, some of those holes I mean, how the allegation of some of them. But it really I don't know if you would be blown away you probably wouldn't be. But I think your reaction to it would be different. If you were actually there have you ever had a chance to go. No. I never look. I know a lot of sports writer friends of mine who swear by they say, it's the most fun. They have you know, I think it's just because they get the hang out together. I think if they were hanging out anywhere. You know, it would be said, I did I disagree just because it's my favorite week of the year for nine, and I you get to hang out with these people lots of places, I mean when I when we were doing golf, and we had the first two rows of the US open and all of the. Championship. I'd see these people at Saint Andrews. And I'd see him at at congressional for the US open in the open but seeing him here, man. I it's just different. And I it's again, it's I said somebody the other day I to try to try to tell somebody what your favorite flavor of ice cream tastes like if they've never had a bite. We'll it's just really good. And you you gotta try it. And then until you till you, try it. You'll never understand what it is. So I mean, like I said I can't I'm not trying to convert those that aren't interested. I just people that know. No. And they just kind of nod and go. Yep. It's that it's better than that. You know, that it could be you know, that ice cream analogy that you just gave I would just give to you. And Tommy and just say trust me on game of thrones. Just trust me. And I've been trying to both of you. You're the only two holdouts in my life for the last and that fire fire-breathing dragon. I think same and he Tommy feeling free agent. It was like a free agent dragon dragging. Acquisition be big deal, man. Yeah. It's the same thing. You know, my my wife who watches it says, well, you like Godzilla and I say yet, but I don't think it's custom blind. Oh, that's so true. It's so true. The guy the little guy was dead. And then he took a deep breath, and he was alive. Like, maybe he's gonna make out with his sister. And then dragging. Actually, he's not making out with his sister. He's actually sleeping with his aunt. He just doesn't know why waking amount be hot. Well. Many times it was different. So the the last effort here, you know, you know, me, and you would you have ever guessed that I would have ever been to a into a fantasy show like this. Never you. Right. So it's not about the fantasy. It's about the characters in a lot of these fantasy scifi things are about the fantasy in the scifi. This one's heavy on the characters little on the fans. I think you gotta watch. It's really about the costume that he likes to wear while he's watching, but but really it's chocolate manship. You just gotta you just gotta taste it. I'm not gonna want. I'm not one who are you in a house with? Andy north Tomlin all the producer like mcquaid? It is in our tradition, and like any other although we were in the same house for years, and this is actually funny just cut me off whenever you're bored. But we hit in the same house for years, and I got to the house last until I went to the old way upstairs bedroom, and it was it was a little girl who was like five years olds a twin bed. So I'm sleeping in his twin bed bedroom. And for like fifteen years we were in that same house. So over that time, she's like growing up now, she's a college student and now like the pictures on the wall of this college student, she's at Georgia and Oliver sorority sisters, and like I would see her her dad would work work the event at the club, and I see him. And I said man, I just please tell your daughter, I'm sorry. I wanna sleep on the floor. You'll still on a middle age man weeping in college med, and it just the whole thing. I wanted it was like sling blade. I wanted to sleep on top of the covers. Not and not ruffled. But we this house overtime with our house every year. And then I think more money from some other company. So the last two us got to go to different houses, and you know, me Mr. creature habit. Like, I'm all throwing off. I'm not in the same move them. It's a little bit. I'm struggling a little bit. But it it's the same core group. It's been in the in the house for us. And these are all you know, we're twenty years in working with each other. They're they're like family. So it's a that just as to the photo that Wednesday's well, you know, this this is what happens for hall of fame weekend in Cooperstown. Everybody stays in people's houses that they rent out. I want stayed in a house in Cooper sound that was owned by the DiMaggio family not related to Joe. But that that will for that was pretty bizarre. You know, you talk about the houses. And and I talk about the come rodri- that the sports writers feel from what I've read on social media what they're really feeling to is the absence of, Dan. Jenkins at this event. That's true. Yeah. He's so legend, he's so legendary, and I actually I don't know Sally Jenkins. But Mr. George Solomon, who's a friend was kind enough to share an Email with me to send her a note because I wanted to send her a note about her dad, and I just wanted to know that I I I had such respect for him. But I of all the people in sports who have ever crossed paths with. I was I was terrified Dan Jenkins. Because I felt like I was this TV schmuck? And he's Dan Jenkins. And just imagine him looking at me look at this idiot. And I said I want you to know your dad never did one thing to make me feel like I wasn't adequate or that. I was offending him. But I just couldn't summon the courage to just say Mr. Jenkins, you know, it's a pleasure to meet you. And I actually knew his boy is his son morning. I worked with at the golf channel. So, you know, I I failed myself in not just saying hi to the guy because he truly especially around here. Tommy is a is a legend and always always will be. Just because the way carried himself and the way he kind of looked at the event and the people who made up the event and you're right. Like the the loss of Dan Jenkins. Particularly Augusta National is a real is palpable. Let's talk about the Gulf here for a moment. I'm Rory is the favourite a significant favorite. But he's never won here before do you think this is the weekend? It's his best. It's the best. He's arrived playing. The problem is how crowded is people who I think if you told me Justin Rose one I'd go sure. Of course, he's been runner up here twice. If you told me Rickie Fowler one. I'd say well sure, it's time that he breaks through. He was second last year. So like if you told me tiger sure, I'll buy that. He's played well last two majors last year he finished sixth and second anyone Eastlake. So there's a long list of people who I think are very realistic Witter's. Rory happens to drive it better than all of them. And the confidence he's playing with after the win it. The players is is again, the most competencies arrived with. But a lot of things have to go your way to win any major particularly here because so many of the best in the world love it and play well here, I get why he's the favourite. And again, if he warned it would it would shock, nobody. I the guy picked when anybody asked me I picked Tony fee now. Just because my God, I'm looking for. Well, here's what I picked him in our pool Utah is that right, Scott, and I are in the same pool golf pool. And and for the majors you pick two golfers and fee now was one of my picks. Why did you why did you pick him? Well, the the profile guys who've won here in the last ten years is is not on the short short list of favorites. Only two in the last ten. Winter's here have been like twenty two one or lower odds. So it tends to be somebody like a Patrick Reed. Who win? He wins you go. Sure yielded. Yeah. Sure. Well, we'll it was seeing a long. Pheno? I don't think. So I wanna stay females about this about the same as a re maybe a little bit longer. I also like the way he he's a he's a guy that gets incredibly streaky and like Danny will at one because he had one great nine hole stretch. Charles Schwartz a one because he had one great five hole stretch coming home. Like, I can't just taking a stab in the dark here. There's eighty guys and I'm trying to pick one who the hell knows who the one is. I've just tried to pick a name that I think is you know, one of the three or four favorites. 'cause it doesn't it doesn't seem to be one of those guys who wins lately. Yeah. I just had the Virginia a pithy with fee now that you know, they got beat by sixteen. They wanted all the you know on Monday night and lash before this tournament started he jumped up in the air and enrolled his ankle and a year later, I feel like there's some sort of redemptions to replace what you said he's a guy that can get hot. And he hits it a long way he could make this course, easy. If he's in the fairways. Who says golf inside or Kevin Sheehan with us here on the podcast? So this is what heavyweights do Scott. They've. Grown await or they throw their weight or. Okay. That's that's really funny. What am I right or not? You're you're you're absolutely right. I he hits it a mile in the air as well. And he can come at any streaky for sure all those things are true. But I mean, like, I would counter the I don't think there's a redemption story for guy that actually shot sixty six on Sunday to finish in the top ten. I mean, it was a hell of a week. It started strangely. But I mean, he played well in the reason he's back years because he finished in the top ten last year in part. That's you know, one of the reasons he got back because of how well they played last year. What are tiger's chances does in? How important is today? His first round the most important part of the week is implying wealth Thursday because he what what ends up happening here is that it's like ten guys get get jumbled together. It's really hard to separate yourself out here. He's done it. But mo- normally you end up with, you know, say three guys at nine four guys at eight three more guys at seven, and it's just this. Jack will tiger can't be the guy at three because there's just no way you're catching up because you have to pass through many people and he's gotten up to slow start. So him getting off to a decent start is massively important, but I was on with Tony and Mike yesterday MPP, and they said how realistic, and I said well, look at it this way, he had the lead at the open. He finishes shot off the lead at the PGA anyone at east lake like that's the profile of any player. You'd say has a good chance in the next major. Right. Well, that's what his profile is. I know he hasn't putted well this year, but he's still Tiger Woods. And I think his chances are awfully realistic. Let me ask you this about tiger. I he's had you know, arguably the greatest legacy in golf history. The only one you could argue with comparable is Jack nNcholas probably in terms of accomplishments. If he never wins. Another major do you think he's comfortable with his legacy, or do you think that he he'll always feel? That he has an emptiness. I think it's more the latter. I think winning I know winning last year was a was a big big deal to him after the injuries. Like, you don't come back from his surgery. He had fused back. He did his last resort and to win again after that kinda makes it house money. And there's I there's part of him that would have to look at eighty wins and fourteen majors and go that's a hell of. Yeah. But, but I do, but but I do believe that that that that a larger part of him would feel like man, I I had eight surgeries total, you know, my life got a little sideways there for a while. And it could have been more. But maybe over time, you you you rationalize it away. More just with the injuries and think well what what else could I have done. I that's a really interesting question as I talk through it. I just I think knowing them as long as I have I think there's a contentment in his life. Now, that's different. There's satisfaction. It comes from being a dad and. It's different. It used to be just as singular focus tropes drope. He's trophies. So maybe there's better context. Now, there definitely is not. Maybe there definitely is. But I mean, when he's sitting there on a rocking chair some, Dan he's an old, man. If he's if it's only fourteen I'm sure he'll say damn I didn't leave Torrey Pines thinking that was the last time. I was going to win a major is this his best shot. Augusta to win a major another one. No because too many other great players play. Well, here, you know. I and like is he's one at Bethpage. They play there this year. You know, he's wanted pebble. They play there this year. I just I feel like the masters. I mean, it's been fourteen years he won here. And I just feel like there's too many great players that love it as much as he does. Like like, I mentioned the list earlier, you know, the roses the mcelroy's. And I mean, I could keep going, but I don't wanna just keep saying the names of culverts 'cause I don't think that's really compelling. Listen to, but it's this place is just it's everyone's favorite place. So that's why I feel like it's I understand. Why people think oh a gust is his place. Well, yes. And no, it's it's yeah. Sure. Like bubbas best chance every year is going to be when he comes here. He gets to the US open or the open like if he gets sideways when just you like the course he's got no chance, but like a guy like him. He looks Phil Mickelson. He's forty. He's fit will be just. Like Fred Couples he'll play well here into his fifties. I guarantee it. So I just too many guys here, you gotta you gotta be better than so I don't see this as best chance. I mean, some random course where he has his best week is his best chance. All right. Switch subjects real quickly. And then we'll let you run. Just your thoughts on on Virginia winning the national championship on Monday night. I thought the game was awesome. I admire the fact that against both Auburn and Texas Tech. They had ten point leads lost the lead and still figured out. How to win. There's an undeniable kind of rolled at the officiating played in it. I mean, you know, I don't know what you can say. I mean Jerome double dribbled and guy fell over his own guy and got a free through got free. Throws the other night. But just taking you're taking your lens zooming it on one call and and and making that what happened would be totally discounting the amazing resolve they showed. There's no way they were supposed to be Purdue giving what the. Stakes where late there's no way they were going to be Auburn. And you could argue there's no way that it'd be Texas Tech after they lost the lead, and they didn't win one or two they won all three and I thought all year. And I said, oh, you're on my show. Look you can make make jokes about you and BC while you can't because this team's good enough to win title. I thought it all year long, and they they proved it so I like Tony Bennett a lot. And I it put it this way. It would have felt to me either team that won on Monday night, which was a worthy and justified champion because they both play great in the second half. And you know, Virginia just it. I don't like destiny because that implies that there's somebody with a magic wand, and they made their destiny because they kept fighting and they kept making plays when other teams would have crumbled. And I really admire that, you know, Tommy, and I talked about this the other day because we were doing the show the day after the game. And I said to him, you know, if you look at Virginia, this isn't a perception thing, but this is a reality thing right now that they are at the level of Duke and North Carolina. Allina in the ACC, and they have been for six years. Now, they win four of the six regular season titles. There are thirty game winner. Four times out of six they've got the most recent national champion, ship, etc. What we used to aspire to as Maryland fans in Maryland was always the number three program in the ACC. But even the best years you couldn't put up with what UVA's done here for six consecutive years. There are there are a constant in the top five certainly no worse than top ten and I said to Erin and Tommy the other day. It's it may not be from a perception standpoint. But the reality is they are now Duke and Carolina in the ACC. I agree with that. And and the one thing that they had on the resume, obviously that none of that is teams didn't have was UNBC. But dukes got Lee high versa. Right. And and you know, you're allowed to stumble and they did. And they they did it without one of their best players hunter got hurt last year the game before. For that. And and you'll be played great give him credit forever. But you're right. Like take to just look at the look at the run look at the the seeds look at what they've done in the ACC best league in American. And now look at what they've done with a banner. I mean, there's there's no there's no reasonable argument to that. And Bennett Bennett doing it mostly without like one will doing it entirely without one and done guys. He's got some pros on this year's team. But he's gonna recruit, you know, guys that are what he wants largely at least two three and mostly for your guys. And this maybe not the most pleasing brand of basketball. But you know, you know, it's pleasing basketball winning, and they do that mostly then he's only forty nine years old. So this could happen and one for a while could be k he could be it could be I'm by the way, when you just mentioned that, you know, the Duke to fifteen losses which is happening twice. I was thinking has ROY ever at Carolina lost early super early. Not not. That I remember I don't think it's ever happened with him. I don't have it Kansas, Kansas. Yes. But I think since he's been at Carolina, I cannot remember Carolina exiting in the first round. I I don't think they have lastly ESPN just updated their mock draft for the NBA Bruno's, not even in the first round is their chance at he's coming back. I'm gonna talk myself into it. I'm gonna I'm gonna talk myself into the fact that look, I know I know I know that he has a relationship with Mark Turgeon. That's better than people know, he they have good respect and good a really good relationship. I know he loves being Bruno Fernando in college park. You know, he's the guy on campus. I know he loves all that now push comes to shove. And you're going to be a first rounder ya. I love it. But I also wanna start being a pro that might be really hard to Kevin hurt her love being a college student too. But he had to go, but he had a lot of momentum in the right direction last year. I don't know how realistic. The odds are that. He'd stay. I've been working under the idea all year that he's going to go. But it does seem like maybe the slightest glimmer, but I I just don't wanna talk myself into it because they just whoever Charlie Brian this guy Jonathan Giovanni. He does your he doesn't do. I he just put out his updated mock. And he's got text him. And then I'll let you know what I find out. Yeah. He's gonna burn. Going in the second round. Well, you know, if he's if he has a good relationship with Mark Turgeon Turgeon, we'll give him the the the the good a good advice. Not only in the second round the fourth pick in the second round like number thirty four all all right. We'll let you go. Thanks. Enjoy the weekend. We'll be watching alternately be watching today. Tomorrow. I don't know about Tommy. But maybe be watching and I'll talk to you. Thank scott. I appreciate it. And have have a great great Sunday night put on your wizard hat and get out your store. Go get those dragons, buddy. I I told you one of these years one of the two of you. I don't know which one it is probably Tommy because you're in that that window of young children, and it's just hard to to to get the time. But one of these days Tommy will call me up. We'll text me he'll say I just got through season one. You're right. Great. All right. See by. All right. Thanks to Scott for making time for us down at Augusta real quick word about my good friends at Farish Chrysler Dodge Jeep in. Fairfax. It should be on your list. If you're considering something new you can go to Farish cars dot com right now to see their live inventory in. Their best deals. The thing that I love about Farish Ralph Perkins. 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I mean, did any were there notes on this as to whether or not it was a I? It wasn't. I it's the ten team in the history of the playoffs to blow a three goal lead. Their first game of the postseason and the scary part of that for the lightning that only two of those nine teams came back to win their series. So there's a little bit of writing on the wall here that maybe they're a bit of a bit of trouble. But you know, this is interesting because. It was it was a defensive breakdown obviously last night, and I talked to John Cooper their coach earlier this season. And he told me like the thing about us is that we need to win games. Two to one in the playoffs and not all all the time five to four in the last two postseasons they've been in. They lost a game six and then lost the game seven to the penguins, and the capital's showing an inability I think to close out teams defensively when they needed to. And you know last night it was a case where the blue jackets got their four check going. They got their confidence. They got their skates onto them and the lightning had no answer for it defensively. So it it it's either going to be harsh education or or it's a harbinger of things to come for the Tampa Bay Lightning. But in other case, it's a pretty bad way to start a play. Well, which way would you lean? I mean, if it's too in seven in the first nine times, this happened is you're going to be two in aiders going to be three and seven 'cause they're still applicant favorite day are and and I think in watching that game. Last night. I I'm going to err on the side of harsh education. I mean the goal that got the the blue jackets back into that game. Was the result of Ryan mcdonagh getting extraordinarily cute with the puck and his own and his own offensive zone. And then causing a breakaway the other way, and there are other examples of that too during the game. So I I mean, I I are on the side of of they're not going to do this again. And that in that if you get a team down three nothing in the first period you best keep keep them down. And and not give them any any reason to believe they can get back into it. But the one the one interesting thing from that game from blue jackets perspective is the fact that after the first period where he got up slightly torched and part part of that was how poor the team in front of him was playing circuit. But Brodsky's been a complete playoff liability for them almost every postseason played really well in the second and third and gave his team a chance to win. And so if he's got his head screwed on straight than we might have ourselves with each. Series. But I still think that, you know, not only the lightning the superior team. This is also Columbus team that we saw do this exact same thing against the capitals last year. And then, you know, go on to lose the series. Speaking of the capital's, the whole the whole Fien going into the playoff series tonight against Carolina is the capital's don't have the fear of failure hanging over their their locker room anymore and even John Carlson referred to it as they got some answers about their team last year. And they'll words answers that when they're down two to nothing and a series, or if they're if they ever three to one lead in series and wines three two three there. Go to move doesn't have to be to basically fail. What do you think about about that that attitude going into the playoffs? Oh, I think it's completely true. And and I think it's also going to feel different through the people in. The building to when when things go sideways, then I mean, it's that sort of symbiotic type thing that was happening between everybody in the building. When things would go sideways for the capitals, which is forboding sense of doom. And that this is just what happens to us in the playoffs. And I don't think that's going to be the case anymore. I mean. The penguins. The next round they're going to walk into the series as as favourite and thinking be should win. Which is not always the case. So that's been the factor in a lot of I think the punditry trying to figure out exactly what the capitals are going to do this postseason because without that psychological block without that that obstacle in front of them disguise limit, right? And in a series like this against Carolina. Where clearly the the best chance that they have is to put the some fear into the capital's early and try to bring this thing back to Raleigh with a punchers chance. You know, I think even if that happens the capital is going to be confident on top of on top of all of the stuff from last postseason because also because they've beaten the hurricanes pillar to post this year four no against them, plus nine Golda rental. And and you know, it's funny to think about how a number of these guys remember the southeast division. And and and having those games. Carolina back then, but they do and frankly the capitals of never struggled to succeed when it comes to playing in Raleigh either. So it's a pretty favorable matchup for them. You know, you mentioned the symbiotic relationship in that building. When the fear of failure hung over this franchise. I mean, I think that connection of of players and fans both feeling arguably the same level pain and distress after what they've been through is what made the connection of the celebration, so special I think the players know rushing, I think the players, you know, having been through. I mean they used to deny it early. You know when they first got here. Putting eventually I think they connected with the same level pain that was in the stands. And then I think that's the connection that made made the celebration so special. Oh, for sure I remember Brian MacLellan being one of the first guys to. Actually, put Boyce to the idea that you could feel it in the building when things went wrong. And and you know, that's like acknowledging the psychology that was happening between the fans in the stands and the players on the ice. But no, that's see. That's I mean, there's always sort of that cliche lip service, given to you know, are fans of the best or, you know, we the fans are great tonight or whatever. But maybe it's the hockey thing or or or not, I don't know. But like there's a serious serious and of shared psychology and and shared motivation between players and then that look no further than Vegas last year where the crowds they had and the community support. They had propelled them to great heights. Look no further than last night where the islanders play a playoff game in Nassau Coliseum. And you know, for the second time this year, the other one being when Johnson and the Leafs came there for the first time the strength of that crowd and the volume of that crowd. I think is one of the reasons they were able to to knock off the Penghu. Overtime. It's it's it's a real palpable thing. And and and it's hard to deny in the capital case that they were playing not only for themselves, but also for their city it. So I mean, everything both of you just said is so true. But it was also about Ovechkin last year and his journey and always coming up short. And you know, it's the same way football fans may felt about John Elway after losing the first four Super Bowls. And then finally getting over the top no one ever thought that Ovechkin would actually get there. And when he did and then to watch the celebration and starting moments when game five ended in Vegas with his reaction was really moving for sports fan. Not even a hawk. We're a caps fan. Yeah. He's everybody. Understood. The Ovechkin story in knew the story. Look, I my my argument was that you know, going into last season. You know, there was that famous trip. Barry trots took a trip to Russia wasn't just a meet Ovechkin. It was something to do. Related with his family. But he went out of his way to go meet with Ovechkin and they had a heart the heart where where basically, you know, Trott said, you know, your hair's getting gray and people were talking about your legacy as what's missing not what you've done. And I I mean, I don't know for sure. But I think I think that's what you saw when you saw Ovechkin celebrating Ovechkin saying that they can say whatever they want about me now, but I've got a Stanley Cup. Not only that. But you gotta Stanley Cup that he was the central force in winning his such a rare thing for you know, an athlete and especially in hockey to tattoo long championship drought. I mean, it's usually they need to leave their team to win one like Ray Bork or somebody who wins one at the tail end of their career playing an entirely different role and they played throughout their entire career. And November case he need only got to win one but got to win one while winning the consummates and and being. The absolute driving force behind the team and playing in his prime. So it really sort of took every possible argument criticism against him off the table outside of well, you know, fifth one more or something like that. Right. Because you know, they they won the Cup because of them. And and that's something that certainly is is not like, you know, winning your Cup when thirty nine, and, you know, just adding one more thing to this story, you know, in in being able to overcome in in the feeling in the building. I mean, we all talked about that for every year before the postseason when we would have you on. It would be like what happens if they get down, you know, three games to two in or to game seven at home. And they fall behind one nothing. It said feeling that it was always going to end poorly and it had the opportunity to multiple times last year being down to nothing to home games to Columbus. They were down early to Pittsburgh in that series. And then when Tampa rallied from two down to win. In three straight games. And almost everybody. I think was convinced that there they were not going to win that series after Tampa Bay at one three in a row. It was it was really it was ultimately it was one of the best sports stories of the entire year. I I mean, the in story the cap story one of the best sports stories of the year, and it happened here a place that never wins anything. So let's talk about Carolina. I I had Joe be on the show yesterday. And I was surprised that that the caps weren't this consensus pick by the experts, which you you're included you pick the caps. But I was surprised at how many people believe that. This is a near toss up series. Why don't you feel that way? I use. I just I just think the capture of superior team. And I think that the hurricanes do a lot of things right, especially when it comes to shot attempts and puck possession. It's just that you know, for all of the possession that they get. They just don't have enough finishers on their roster right now to really make a difference. And that's the key in this series. Is that you know, when when the capitals you get their opportunities. I think they're going to be able to bury them in a way that that Carolina. Dozens and then you you had in the success. They've had against the hurricanes, and the lack of any fear that this is going to be a, you know realistic upset bid, I just think that everything kinda points in the caps direction. And you know, the other thing that the the the hurricanes have had recently and making the playoffs. Some outstanding goaltending provoked you to morale and criticize mcelhinney, but then when you look at breeding hope these numbers in April, you're like all right that might equal out. So I don't know I understand why they're why they're being picked. I think there's a certain romanticism to the scrappy underdog that has some. Played a playoff game since. We'll geez was more than a decade and thinking that the team with the goofy home ice celebrating and stuff is going to continue the sort of the rela run. I just think that maybe the capitals or the wrong team them to play in the first round. You know, one of the big story lines going into the series tonight going into the playoffs. Period. Is everyone waiting for Tom Wilson to lose his mind on the ice again? I mean, you know, I mean, he's managed after he served fifteen games of that twenty game suspension. The start the season he managed to at least keep things under control during the regular season. Everyone's giving them a lot of credit for that. But you know, how you know, how intense relationships can get on the ice between opponents in a playoff game in a playoff series where things happen. And then you're right back on the ice without opponent two nights later how much. Is that being overblown and all? It's not. 'cause you know, we have we don't have proof of concept yet that he knows how to go through a playoff series. So they'll do in the stuff he did last year. I talked to George Pero the head of the department of players safety a couple months ago about where last month but Wilson, and and he said, look, you know, we've been really impressed with the way he's hitting. We've been really impressed with the hip that he's not chosen to deliver showing that he's he's thinking about the the type of things doing with his body on the ice. And try not to be curious, but they were loath into a false sense of security about Tom Wolfe and last year to where he went a good stretch of the regular season without any incident. And then you know, arguably had one spendable offense in each round of the playoffs. So I I think we're all waiting to see if the new Tom Wilson is in Stockton Utah. Wilson I will say that the difference though between last year and this year is the he has that massive suspension now on his record. And I think he knows that the next one is gonna cost them up where. It's twenty five to thirty games. If it's the same kind of hit that he delivers. So it may be that's finally the deterrent. But again, you can't know until you've seen him go through the intensity of few playoff rounds. And and and do so that incident I don't want to harp on this the last question, I'll ask about it. But if it happens during the playoffs, they'll meet out that punishment right away. That's not something that will wait for next season. Right. No, that's correct. And in some cases, as we saw the past with a guy like rocky Raffi Torres who took out Marian hosts in a playoff series this suspension will begin in the playoffs and carry over next season. So, you know, there will be an appeals process if it's a big suspension, you know, and Wilson has as as he did previously. The Sears is season has every right to appeal, but that's only gonna mostly effect. You know, what happens down the line? I think you know, no matter what the situation is with the massive suspension. He's gonna miss a bunch of games to begin with as the process plays itself out. All right last one, and we'll let you move on. And we always appreciate it and enjoy it. But you pick the caps to be Carolina's. We mentioned, but you did not pick them to represent the east or win the Cup. Why not? I think the lightning are really really good. It can be you know, the the best offensive team. We've had since nineteen ninety six death penalty killing team best power play tied the Red Wings for the most wins in the regular season of all time. And just not a whole on that roster if they lose it's the psychology thing, which I think is important caveat to remember. But you know, the the lightning are under the the salary cap. The most well-constructed team that we've had and the closest thing to a juggernaut that we've had so it's it's not an easy sell right now because they they put the bed in game one. But I still think that overall that's that's a really special team and the capitals, I think that the capitals are probably the team in the Eastern Conference. That is best set up to take them out. If only because of you know, the confidence that they built and winning the Cup last year. But also in some of the things that they do well that I think Tampa may have trouble with but. But Tampa campus my pick out of the east and my pick to win the Greg. 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Well, actually, my counts going to be something that we discussed the longtime ago. It's going to be out Josh Rosen and how if he comes to Washington, he's probably going to bring some political opinions with them here too. 'cause he's got some particularly from school, some political baggage that he'll bring and it's very possible that we could be looking at a player for the first time who may publicly speak out about the Redskins name we've discussed this before I know we've discussed before. But do you have any information? Now, we'll know that needs to be addressed before they ever deal. Well, because this is a guy who won and Trump hat we had saga that he could be. And he definitely as he's got some straw. He's a strongly opinionated guy. Although we didn't hear any of that in his first year in Arizona. I know, but you're writing a column. You don't have information. Now clear, I don't have information. But but the idea is at some point they're going to run into a player who's going to publicly say something about the because you know, only one out of ten native Americans may be offended by the name. But a lot more millennials seem to be offended by the boy, do they want to tell the native Americans about south. They should be offended. So I mean, and he comes from that generation. I understand that. You know, you say that it's going to happen. One day. I don't know that it has an already happened where the team had a sense of a player they were going to draft or sign in free agency said I don't wanna come here because of the team name, we don't we don't know that that hasn't happened. And in fact, I would bet that it has happened. You know, I don't know anything, but I bet somewhere along the way they got an inkling with a draft choice or a free agent that the that particular player would have an issue coming to the Redskins because maybe it may have happened already. Look there was a referee who didn't want referee games in the NFL that we didn't know about for years because he was offended that ended up being on CBS is one of the worst. All he was terrible. Why are we blanking on his name? I don't e-. He did he was the referee guy and CBS who was just awful every single time. He he reviewed a play for the broad get broadcast team. He he got it wrong. Well, he wouldn't be great for carry my car. He would have been great for Redskins game said. The other thing actually, you mentioned this to me before the show, but I'll just give you chance real quickly is to weigh in on magic, just that's right. Getting just abruptly quitting without even mentioning it to Jeanie Buss. You know, my first thought about magic. Well, no was that all this stuff about being this great entrepreneur is all fraud that somebody else behind the scenes was really doing the business. And magic was was just the guy put in front that. Now, this great businessman narrative does this sound like a great businessman, the you. It's funny that you said that and I did not say this yesterday. I thought about that with respect to a lot of former athletes have been successful in business before about how much is it their business acumen versus just leveraging their brand. Yeah. And their name. Remember this magic is a terrific face to anything a positive face to anything. And a he's a very good in warm communicator, like people love magic, you know, a lot of people in business may not have great business accurate, but they end up being great. Sales people because you know, what at the end of the day. Everybody likes that person. And they wanna buy from that person magic as a super likable person. And with this huge brand to go with it could have been their best salesperson in the organization coming into a meeting. You know, yuck. Ended up with people. Maybe having a, you know, a a high level understanding of what the deal is. But without him. You're not going to get the deal done. But he may not have. I don't know what the answer is here. But I would not shock me. That's my thought my thought that he's he's not the business senior said he's been made out to be, you know, the business genius thing though. Again, could be what I'm describing the people say magic Sutphin nominal salesperson. You get it now maybe because of his brand and his his the magnitude of magic walking into a room to close a deal. But maybe he's also what we think what I think he is intuitively, which is probably a great guy. To sit down and have a conversation with an at the end of it, you probably want to buy something from them. But you know, that goes for a lot of people in business, not everybody has terrific business acumen. They just may be great sales people. And by the way, more entrepreneur eights, more important to be a great salesperson to be successful in business as it is to be a great, you know, numbers cruncher, much more important. Okay. Without the revenue, brother. You don't got anything. Okay. Also, all I know is he I mean the way he acted here. And the are you upset about him just quitting up without I don't care because again, it's the NBA it this is it's Kardashian level. This is the way they act in the NBA now. It's ridiculous surprised though. Really? Yeah. I think I think it's unprofessional. Well, and again to what you just said, I guess anything goes in some people said about magical anything goes with magic. He'd even he doesn't. I need to tell him. But he's magic in. Everybody loves him and understand so he'll get away with it. But you know, when you're there and all the stuff that happened this year, the Anthony Davis thing the disappointment the expectations that they didn't come anywhere near to living up to I don't know if you're going to abruptly quit. I think it's probably pretty professional to go to one the person that you claimed is the person you're closest to right, John the father played for all these years 'cause you read the story about her. She found out about it drive into the game and said turn this car around. This is all you need to know about the NBA. Anthony Davis four t shirt to the arena the of the night for the last game. That said that's all folks. Okay. When he was questioned about it yesterday. He said, I don't pick out my clothes. They're put out for me in the morning. I don't I don't have a choice in what I wear. I did not see that. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. That's the NBA how juvenile I mean seriously that is a lack that's. That would make me fearful I know how great he is. I whenever we have these conversations people's are you serious. You don't want Antonio Brown or whatever. But it's like that is so immature that it's scary immature that he doesn't pick out his own clothes. That's his answer to that. Which can't possibly be true. But if it is true, it's bigger concern. And I'm going to watch I'm gonna watch NBA. I'm kidding. I love the NBA playoffs. I do. But yeah, I the other the other thought I had immediately and mentioned this is somehow this is LeBron influenced like what author it is. Let me LeBron says he was floored. Okay. But what organization has LeBron been in over the last decade that if a coach got fired or hired or something else happened in in the high levels of the organization, your I thought wasn't. Well, LeBron must not have liked him. Or LeBron must really like this guy. But it is magic. So I don't know. I think Tommy ultimately what he said is probably true. He wasn't. He couldn't be magic anymore. He couldn't get on the phone and mentor. Young player have a conversation with an old friend about a team, you know, because it would be a tampering charge, right? Like, he got it was twice. I think he got hit tampering charges. So and the scrutiny you know, when you're that great of a player wasn't a good coach. And now he wasn't a good front office. Exac and that kind of scrutiny. When you've been successful in everything including business, regardless of his true contribution to it. It may have been too much. Well, then he fi I still root for him. Don't you? So why I mean like you and I both said he's he. Yeah. Arguably the greatest he's my number play. But and the L if. I give him credit forgetting out. However, he got out it which was kind of unseemly rather than keep trying to do too job and diminish his legacy, even more. Yeah. It's just that. If you it's hard to get out legacy, you know, tainted free when you quit after an absolute abject disaster of a season. And you don't even you know, this isn't even something you tell people that you work for that you're doing, and I I don't think Laker fans even care 'cause he's magic I think Laker fans are just as a just as upset with LeBron. Did you read that story in the athlete about how LeBron had distanced himself so much the young players didn't trust them? The the Anthony Davis thing was a fiasco. It was poorly handled by everybody involved, including del Dem's in New Orleans who got fired because of it Alvin gentry said after their their finale the other night, it's the most toxic worst handled thing he. Ever seen in his thirty plus years in the NBA, but the the young players distrust LeBron, and there was a quick story in that athletic story about LeBron. And how he he was distanced from his teammates that Rajon Rondo when he was out with an injury would show up for practice would be there to help mentor some of the younger players and then before a trip he showed up at the airport with cookies the gift to his teammates that was Rajon Rondo who no one really liked teammate. And they sort of put that side by side with the way people felt about LeBron. I, you know, LeBron if I were a Laker fan. I would be pissed 'cause it really does have the appearance. I know there were injuries. He had injuries. He was the most injured year in a long time. But it really the way he handled the year may would have made me think is a fan. He just came here to start his. Yeah. Yeah. Entertainment doesn't care about winning anymore. But anyway, all right. We done. I think we are. All right. You'll be at the game tonight. I'll be talking about the game here tomorrow with somebody. We're gonna do some draft stuff tomorrow as well. And enjoy the day lot of sports going on. Yes. Right. And tiger jamming there's golfer onto there's golf going on which I won't watch any of it. Thanks to Erin. Thanks to Tommy thanks to Scott. And thanks to Greg wish ski have a great day.