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"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"So if you want to fall in love with the gospels read charles's book. What if it's true 'cause you get that over and over and over again. And then they turned the world upside down and tells you what to do with it and keep it going. Are you giving us more nonfiction. Hold on time out after you rest. After the screenplay is there a world there's more nonfiction novels sold out from here on out. No i love to love to alternate i. I was worried about my ability to flip gears in my brain and write fiction and nonfiction. But it. I love it. I love doing both and so as long as they will let me do it. I want to keep doing it. They yes. I don't know who they is. But if we're they absolutely you get to keep also if you're a pastor of the pot here and i can handle sabbatical yours. Have it if i can be a part of that. We are out of time for the show. Can you believe that charles is there anything we didn't talk about. The you wanna make sure. I mention no i. You took a vote from the entire audience. You look from right to left and no one gave you anything to say so it was okay. This is where the introvert in me. If you could christie will tell you this. I am like an old apple computer and if you ask me something like that what. You should see the spinning gear because answering a lot of times. I'll answer a question in my mind and the answer will run out my arm to my fingers and realize there's no keyboard and it'll comeback and go out my mouth by default. You think i'm kidding. Totally serious i know you are. I believe you. I'm in charge. We got it so because the show is called. That sounds funding. As you've done before for us we please tell us what sounds fun to you. A couple of things one is christine talking about taking our kids to see my sister. In scotland over christmas provided we can get around all the cove stuff. Listen i've been to scotland at christmas. The markets it's unbelievable. You've got to do it. It's absolutely worth it. I think that sounds like a lot of fun. And kind of come on the heels of this period where i am going to take a breath and so i i really want to know what i wanna do. We're going to be an edinburgh know what whereas saint andrews outside of edinburgh. You're well i'll cherish afire. Boys has always been so. We're going to the beach strip down nor skivvies and do the little running thing. You probably won't see that on instagram..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"Peter immediately grabs his cloak and raps about about him contrast that the mia's the blind beggar at the gate and jericho. Who takes it off. Yeah barnum as has nothing to hide my guy shooters covering up then. He dives in the water. What dummy gets dressed and he's so listen. You've gotta get it together. The two of you are in a bad spot. He lands on the shore and the only thing. Peter wants is to be reconciled with his king. All he wants is a cia coats. Give me a chance. And jesus and perfect mercy. Grace filled fashion meets peter on the beach. But how does he meet him. He meets him with a charcoal fire. Now look back into peter's life. The third tom that peter denied christ. He's standing at a charcoal fire talking to a slave girl. The smell of burnt charcoal is in his nose when he lands on the beach and he sees jesus with a charcoal fire. This does not bode well for him. He sits down. And i've heard this taught a lot of times where jesus says peter. Do you love me. Feed my sheep. do you love me. Feed my lambs. I don't think that's the way that it occurred. This guy's from the middle east in your mind heavy deepest voices. You're an actor. What can i say go ahead. I don't think he sounded like a prepubescent girls. You win. fine ache it. And he's got this fish on a plate. And i think he hands it to peter and in my book the intimacy with which jesus does this is he saddles up next to his buddy andy either locks arms or he put his arm around his shoulder then i also think he kinda like leans in and they're like forehead to forehead and peter is crushed. Shame is all he knows. And jesus says peter de love me yes lord knows how you just feed my sheep. This is peter needs to hear because now his keying is telling him to do the thing he doesn't feel worthy of doing and not only does he say at once but he says it three times to allow him to go back to the three denials and make the right proclamation and he tells him feed my sheep. Hey bound just feed my lambs and then as if that's not enough. Jesus is not finished with him. He tells him the one thing that peter needs to hear. Follow me and we know from the description of both what we see an axe an npr's own words. He does that. Here's what that means for you and me upon his resurrection. The first thing that he had to deal with us is shame because we all got it all have fallen short of the glory of god and turned his own way. We've all gone astray that's us. Welcome to planet earth. What the enemy does with that is. He then says well you now disqualified and heaps shame on our shoulders. Whether it's your adultery. Divorce your abortion your porn addiction. Whatever it might be. But the thing that jesus does in this moment is here radical forever. The enemy's ability to tell us who we are only the king gets to speak to our identity and he does that with peter and he unshackled the shame off him. And i think that's why i'll put it i in the book. Because he does that with us and until he takes the shame off of our shoulders and clothes us in this robe of righteousness. We're not much good in the kingdom. But when he does when he gives us our identity he close us mall then ordinary folks like us who walk with a limp walkout and turn the world upside down and turning the world. Upside down is not the goal is just the fruit. Fr- yeah i agree..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"They've probably camped out there lot. They think they're just going back for one more. They get up there. Jesus steps in the father's chariot haley's comet leaves in his wake the two angels. Say what are you doing year. He's going to return the same way left. And i think all of those people who were dislike us walked down that mountain with one fundamental question on the tip of their tongues which is what on earth do we do now. He had given him his commands in his authority but not as power they get down and a few days later the roof starts to shake and those broken people who walk with a limp just like us walk into jerusalem they love a dying world that hates them and the next thing we know by the time we get to act sixteen or seventeen. Paul and his friends walk into thessalonica which is a thousand miles north west jerusalem. You gotta go around your elbow to get to your thumb or you gotta sale an ocean to get there and by the time they get there the local rulers look at him and say these are they who have turned the world upside down another translation says these are they who have up ended the inhabited earth. The derogatory term is not meant in a in a in a kind light. What what they're saying is these people possess a power that is greater than what rome possesses. And we're afraid of them. Yeah i want that for us. I i want that. I want to know christ and the power resurrection. And i believe he's the same then that he is now. He's doing the same stuff that he's that he did then he lied. He's doing it now and we are living in a world that is bitter and angry. The love of many is growing cold. I do not want to be one of them. I don't have the monopoly on that. I have my days ask christie. That's one story. The second is anytime. Peter gets a chance to open his mouth he does. I love that. You cannot know how much i love that. God bless peter. But i mean seriously there on the mount of transfiguration. He's this is lit up like the sun he steps in and says it is good for us to be here. Well of course. It is hush me folly moses and elijah made it feel that he's good for us to be. Why should your mouth. What are you doing to peter. Why can't you just say it's gonna go for us to be here right. I don't think he sounds like that. The crucifixion occurs. Peter says lord. I'll never deny you've. Jesus says i prayed that when your faith would remain you're gonna deny me and sure enough. Peter does and so following this following the following the crucifixion and even into the resurrection. When you meet. Peter peter's sitting there spinning is sort on its point by the hill. And he's brokenhearted because he's betrayed is best friend and he said he did the very thing he said he would not do. Even after says. They're really says refill pie when he stood up there and he said you are the christ jesus said upon this rock or this. Upon this this proclamation. I will build my church. But we find peter and he's broken heart these muted and he's covered in shame because he doesn't feel worthy to do the thing that jesus told him to do which is follow me so peter returns to his former way of life. We find him in. A boat undressed down to a loincloth casting a net for fish. Which tells us a lot about him. He doesn't feel worthy to have done the thing and he's rip rippled and shame that's all he knows notice. Also he's like the captain of the team because all the other jack wagons are in the boat with him true and they look out there on the beach and they say look it is the lord now..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"Tell me what you have experienced. Or know about god. After charlie's wedding that you didn't know before jesus is twelve. He's on the southern steps to the temple. He's holding forth with all of the religious leaders. Joseph and mary had just returned after having been a day outside of jerusalem. They've come back. They spent three days. Mary's pulling the hair out. She finds him she says. Didn't you know that you're that we were looking for you. And twelve year old. Jesus who's holding forth with the brightest that the religious elite can bring forth says. Why were you worried about me. Did you not know that. I must be about my father's business first time a rabbi had ever called god most high father and the reasons the first time is because the the law says you can't do stone you all of these people around him hear him and what you see. Begin is twelve year old. Jesus begins calling himself. The son of god and he's my father in twenty one years from that date. Those same people on that same mountain will crucify the man that boy becomes why because he calls god his father. You ask me what. I've learned about watching charlie get married. I really love my son. I have loved being his father of also loved watching him step into marriage. Leave and cleave. Get off my verizon bill and and own his own relationship with the father and for us to be able to watch him now. Walk as priest of household with this precious daughter of the king who we love. And i don't know that well maybe we've learned to trust the lord because we've just had the learn to be quiet and some things. There's been some things that have come up that we've just said that's not our place in maybe learning to trust. There was a thing that came up a week ago with charleena's brothers and it was beautiful. I mean i normally would have stepped in. It would have been my place. Charlie strong. He's an alpha. He's a leader. He's you know it takes me. Sometimes to confront him and christina just said you know let's let the brothers do it in the brothers. Did this beautiful thing where they just said. Dude we love you. What's going on and the thing that we came in on on the end of the facetime was my boys praying for my boy so i don't know maybe there's something in there but i you wrote the to nonfiction. What if it's true and say the second title. They turn the world upside upside down. If you read those it is really. This is charles retelling the gospels the book of acts and kind of inviting us in and a narrative way to jesus's life. Would you tell us. Tell me your favorite story about jesus. i'll give you two for the price of one. The vert i is jesus and his followers both men and women. I think there are probably about one hundred. Twenty people walk out of jerusalem and they retrace backwards the steps. He took the night he was betrayed arrested. Crucified which i think is significant and they walk up the mount abolishes i think jesus was a hugger. I think he was a jungle gym for the kids. I don't think he was disconnected and indifferent and standing over there. Saying don't approach. I think jesus was all up in their business. And i think the kids are all over him and i think he's walking up the mount of olives loving on his friends just love on him because he knows he's about to leave they don't and i think it's laughter filled and fun and they've prayed there a lot..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"I get free sandwiches. It's all for the sandwiches. Charles speaking of your boys your oldest one. Charlie which y'all got to look at charles's instagram sometime and follow him obviously yours. I is has your face. Well i used to call him creepy totally. I used to call him mini means. He's a lot bigger than me now. So i can't i don't know i can't do it anymore. But he is a especially if you see pictures of me at that age. Twenty three twenty four. We look like twins. Yeah he just got married he did. They asked well he got married. We got a daughter. And we love ami and they asked me to do the wedding. So i got to. I mean it was. It was so cool. It was the coolest thing getting to stand there next to my boy and like be present in that moment and watch his future wife turned the corner. And i mean. I'm up there just boohooing and i gotta get my collective stuff together but right here. I'm running this show and we had a lot of fun and they you know they got up there and i got to. I was present enough in the moment where i didn't feel like well. Somebody's tapping their foot. This thing i was president enough to be able to say all right. Hold it all of these people are here for you. They'll they'll just take a deep breath because at thing you've been waiting for all your life this. Is it right here. So y'all just enjoy it just laugh and we're good so we had a blast and there might if you go to my instagram page and you see videos of me dancing. I would just like to preface it with there. Might have been a little liquid courage brought to you by.
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"So i don't know maybe some of it is me asking questions. And maybe that's what i learned in grad school. Maybe take all of my grad school. And i just learned how to ask questions you know and then the rest is just dream ended up and then there's this thing called youtube you can be like. How do you find person. That's missing and youtube will tell you and you rewrite it. Totally them when i think about these particular novels letter keeper is the second one yes that just came out two and a half weeks ago. I my personal friend question to you is because you're my friend. I picture you as murphy shepherd because the heart of a rescuer. I experienced that in friendship with you and christiane the boys is that you welcome in you are do you picture yourself as murphy shepherd. No i'm writing vicariously through him is like if you took my novel. A life intercepted. I'm riding through this heisman trophy winning national championship winning number one. Picking the dress. So i'm writing. Vicariously murphy is very much bigger. And better and i would like to think are parts of my heart that resonate with that rescue thing inside him but i mean i've set him. He's pretty cool and folks who read my books a lot of times. We'll we'll they'll be in line and i'm signing books and they'll meet me and they're all you know they think they're meeting murphy shipper christie stan. And she's like no. Let me let me interested in my husband charles. Yeah he's a writer he made murphy shepper. When is the next one like wins it. Finish when you finish writing it wins and do it come out. My deadline was last week. Daisy works see daisy. And then i made you fly to houston fun. Conversation publisher track record with them now. I've been early on a lot of books. I you know and it's art. I can't i am working. They know me i'm not. I don't have a golf game. I'm as hard as i know how to work but stories stories. Sometimes don't bubble up clean. Sometimes they bubble up dirty and you got to filter through those words. That don't need to be there. Sometimes you write five thousand words only to turn around and delete four thousand because you got to get those out of the way to get the five hundred that really matter. And i've you know that's part of this process. So what is it about this one. That's harder to finish. I think i'm at the end of a hard season. Not hard between us and not hard with bis hard in terms of work of written six books now in thirty something months what. You've written six books and thirty months. That's bad math dude. that's too is. I'm one of the things we're praying about is just like lord give me up. I wanna take a breath. I love what i do. I don't there's nothing about me. Wants to not do what i'm doing right. But like if a pastor pastors for twenty years they give him. What's called a sabbatical right. So that's one of the things we're praying about. You know maybe well. From which i write although i do know what the lord says about springs of living water bubbling up and out of us and i do know that there's a thrown that comes from the river that flows from the throne of god but for me as a writer and artist. My well is more like a sequel. I'm okay with that. I'm not knocking it. But sometimes it needs time to fill back up i would love i would love to get on the other side of the third installment and whatever that looks like take a deep breath and i want to write a screenplay for a novel that i wrote things. Take a break. We're going to take a break from writing a thing about how this works brother. Okay i mean i'm all for a screenplay but i just need you to rest. I wanna know something about her..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"In and that was my exposure to trafficking is happening next door in my hotel secondly to that reading through matthew. And i'm reading through it but i'm in matthew and i ended up at matthew eighteen and in their jesus talks about the parable the shepherd and i've read it. Maybe you've read it but it just struck me as illogical and inconceivable that the shepherd would leave the safety of the flock the comfort of that community the protection of that and chase the one dumb sheet that got itself lost for the trump team at the time and then when he finds it he shoulders at comes back has a party and the reason for that is because the needs of the one outweigh those of the ninety nine. And when you put those two things together i end up with murphy shepherd and a book in which he lives a life in which you're worthy of rescue and that's something i've since learned. I grew up in a home. Where i i was told i was loved and i knew my value of since meant a lot of people who have no concept and the fact that they we launched this book two and a half weeks ago at a ranch where they rescue. There's several girls there who had been rescued ranch like the one in the book. Yeah what your foundation you can look it up but when i said this about your of value one of the girls just she can't believe it she's just she shattered so i love the fact that the book is kind of reaching that place when i when i sat down with an i call. My publisher was about halfway through the waterkeeper. And i said. I think i've got some characters with some complexity in some legs. I think i could turn this into a trilogy. And i was lying my face off. So since done the letter keeper. And i'm about a half for maybe thirty percent of the way through number three is the title of number three yet. No and i don't really know honestly. I'm still keeper. Because we've got thing we gotta keep it in that vein. Yeah how did in the books in these particular novels. There is that there's the trafficking side where you're watching. The rescues that you write are unbelievable. How did you even know how to write those. There's a couple that are at these like islands and there's mansions on the islands and how'd you. How'd you even know any of that. Have a pretty good imagination. Some of it. I mean literally some of it. I just dreamed up. And then some of it i i mean. I'm good at asking questions. And i meet people who work in this world and i ask them. Tell me about your life and we sit down and we talk and years prior. I met several of these guys on a rain deck or in oregon and and since then i've just talked with folks and more law enforcement. Who do this..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"Code. That sounds fund and now back to my conversation charles mark. Let's talk about this new series. you're writing. We are the a year ago we got waterkeeper and two and a half weeks ago. We got. Let her keep her correct. Have you already read. Waterkeeper let her keep her summer view. Yes some of you. I need you to a good story. You should read. Well i mean the thing that you bamboozled me on. When i started reading waterkeeper as i thought it was going to be this. The main character is named murphy shepherd. I thought it was going to be this like this guy who gets his life back. And it's actually an entire fictional story about trafficking and murphy shepherd is the rescuer. Two things going to give the background on that because they may not know it one is. I'm on book tour in buford georgia. I arrive at my motel. My publisher told me it was a hotel where i come from if the door of the room faces the park and i better motel. My first clue should have been the glass between me and the gentleman handing mckee is about that thick anyway. I'm pretty low maintenance. So i get my key. Go to my room from us stuff in my room. Go down to the thing and get a water bottle on coming back in. My truck is the only car in the parking lot. We're not in the nice section of town and out of the corner. My eyes see this really nice jaguar. Pull in and it just doesn't fit. He pulls right up underneath me. And i noticed that when he did for some reason the sun shone on his hand on the steering wheel and i saw his wedding ring. He sees me. I figured this out later. But he ran down to the stairwell down there even though his room was behind me and he did that in an effort to intersect me which he did on this walkway at the motel a- and normally like if you're walking in you know you're kinda it's a narrow walkway he was a big man bigger than me and very nicely dressed like i don't know expensive suits but it looked expensive and like normally if you're coming down i'll you'll kind of scoot over and they'll kind of scoot over you dr. Yeah he hopped in front of me. Didn't himself my embroiders immediately. Ding and without introduction without. Hello nothing the first word out of the man's mouth was. Yeah so. I've paid for some time with these girls down a couple of rooms down and sometimes they like to have somebody join us. You interested and like charles is in the process of sanctification. But i ain't there yet and there's enough of the old charles where my i thought literally was if i put my fist through this guy's face. He's going over the railing. He's on his jaguar. And i'm not gonna to explain that so that's probably not a good option. I mad said no. He walked down his room. I walk in call christie. I'm trying to unpack it with her. It just bothers me. And i think the two things i think the lord did in that moment in me as writer. He gave me anger and he gave me compassion for whoever was in the room. Forty five minutes later. These girls leave an. I don't know if they were eighteen or sixteen. Or i don't know okay but to me. There was somebody's daughter. That's all i can tell you. Fifteen minutes later he leaves having showered and get to the book event. That might and. I'm trying to process. Like i can't do this. I've just been propositioned to have whatever you wanna call it with those. So i just start talking about it kind of like i am with you and it turns out that the guy that owns the bookstore runs a ministry where he hires x delta guys to bus down doors and rescue the traffic at which one of the places they had most recently done. It was my hotel. Wow so we get to talk. In and that was my exposure to trafficking is happening next door in my hotel secondly to that.
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"Really distinguished gentleman next to me and the only way i can describe don is he has presence and he just has presence. Unlike anyone i've ever met and after having gone through the movie stuff in meeting some rather famous people he still has more presence than so a. Sit down christie's next to me. And he's wearing cowboy crocodile cowboy boots which endeared me to him immediately and we get to small talk and and he said what do you do and for the first time in my life with nothing to show for it and no ability to say. Here's how i prove it. I said to him. I'm a writer. Really i cannot tell you. I said that he said really tell me about that. And i just come out of grad school. And i thought i knew what i was doing and i didn't. And he's and he said i'm don stevens head of mercy ships and we're looking for somebody to write our story. Would you be willing to talk to me about doing that. Because there weren't two tickets and other swim talking about no room at the end. And i said yes sir so. I flew up here to tyler. Texas met with him and ended up writing that book which was never published. But it gave me. It gave me a platform. It gave me a like a. Somebody paid me to write a book from there. I met some folks authors agents. They read my stuff. They emailed me and said hey we'd like to represent the cool thing is though the cool thing now. He'll tell us. The bill thing was eighty six rejections. I've since had conversations with the people that sign those letters share you have and one of them was an elevator. After i'd won an award did say like this was just sort of sitting on the elevator. Kind of how you doing. He said yes. Miss that with your sorry about that. No problem and you didn't even have say you're right. Well i mean look if you if you do this and you know this okay if you do this writing is one of the most humbling things that you can do because people cannot like it to begin with and they'll tell you but to is every day we show up to an empty screen in a blank page and no matter how much we have written the day before bookstore right themselves unfortunately so you know the whole music thing you know if you wait on the muses. That's total hogwash. Don't if you're a writer. Don't wait on the muses because they seldom show up on on time even when they most of what they had to say isn't any good anyway. So treat this thing like work. Show up at your fanny in the chair and sweat your books out. Yeah that's exactly right. I am blown away that story you just also that you just ended up in a different dinner to write a book that was never published. That actually started your career so many of us are in between the dinner. We thought we were going to the dinner. We're going to or we're in between that meeting with that guy and that the day that they called you and told you that the mercy ships book wasn't getting published. What do you say to those of us who know that. There's an end of a story in the elevator with an award with that guy who was dumb but we're not there yet. We'll mark my my and our prayer from the beginning was never lord..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"I had quit going to the mailbox because it was too painful to have somebody else. Say we don't want your stuff and she walked in and she set envelope on the keyboard and she kissed me and said you're not a reject to me and it's priceless. I can't. I can't repay that but it did for me. What my heart needed. Because my heart was broken and on the flip side of it. I'm like lord. I think do this. Well i would love to offer my gift for the king. How do that. And i had passed the point. Probably where i believed in me and and she did so the point in that is. I didn't get me here by myself. Of course i had helped right what. You're getting those rejections. Because i think there are a lot of our friends listening. I mean i know it from the vip time we had there are people who are writers that are working on their first book. How did you know not to give up. Besides that one twenty six h- how'd you know. I don't know that. I knew i was desperate. I knew that's what i wanted to do. And i knew she. And i were together on like there was a there was a real intentional place in our life where i'd been working in business and they had offered me this job and it was life on a silver platter and it was this. We literally had a weekend where we fought all weekend because had been offered this big job and and her mind. She's painting our new house and driving a volvo. And i'm thinking that's the end of my love girl but we had this weekend where we fought all weekend. Not like i hate you but who do you like. Who are you a new. Do you wanna be when you grow up. And i was just desperate. And i didn't know like literally up. I'm like lord. This is the cry of my heart. This is what i wanna do. i don't have. I can't make this happen if you want me to do this. I will do this. But i can't do it alone so i don't know maybe i was desperate. Maybe i mean it ended up being us walking through this thing together. Rejections no fun. I say this in. What if it's true. It's the deepest wound of the human soul. It's the reason that the last thing jesus says on the cross my god my god why have you forsaken me. It's so that when we as his broken rejected children walk up to him with the deepest wound of our soul. Which is somebody rejected us. He and he alone is able to heal that thing in us. Yep how did we get. I mean we're like three minutes. I need you know i just sat here so and i told chrissie. She congrats on the volvo. That's what i did in this amount of time. When did you finally get a yes on that first book 1997. I wrote this manuscript. We sit it out about two thousand. I got an invite to go to the national prayer breakfast in. Dc and i was unemployed so christina looked at my calendar and said we're pretty much free and they were paying for our trip and it was a chance for us so we go we go. We go to the national prayer breakfast. And i'm pretty low at this point and we had a dinner. That perfect per breakfast is thursday morning. We had a ticket for the the regional dinner the wednesday night before. And so we had two tickets to the southeast. Because we're from florida so we go to the southeast reasonable dinner and it's full like they're no more seats in the end. I said to the guy said dude. I got two digits. We got no seats. So i said well. Obviously some other region is so we literally walk across the hall uh-huh to the midwest and there's a lot of seats open in the mid west so we sit down and there's this.
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"Is a small world and then i'll have this public part of my life where i come out and put on my dog and pony show and do charles and and then she calls and she wants to interview me and i. I literally think to myself. She was to talk for an hour. What am i going to talk about for an hour. And then she does her thing and we sit down. And it's seventy five minutes later. Something you know it gets edited. 'cause i say the dumpster but it's really. It is a lot of fun for me. i like i've been through some of these now. Yeah and i really do enjoy. I don't know if i enjoy all of them sharing this with us. Normally this thing. We're kind of like i'm just talking to you and this is a whole thing. I'm not too sure about. I forgot to tell you. And i invited you that there was going to be an audience at a live event. I'm so sorry that information would have been helpful. Well my gosh listen. I was reading your bio today. Which i've never read before my apologies. Because i just wrote it because he wrote it himself he said. I don't really have one of these but your first book got rejected. Eighty seven times thirty six eighty six if you read the dead. Don't dance That was a manuscript i wrote in ninety seven christine. I sent out over one hundred of those queries. And and this is a pre email day. Yeah so aquarium. Was like sixty seventy pages on a cover letter where you're begging somebody to give you the time of day and then a self addressed stamped envelope because you want to hear back from them and we had eighty six of those comeback with no thank you. I think people need to hear that because my first one. I've forty forty three. I think rejections on my first book. There's not that many publishing houses right. Well when i was in grad school. I studied a lot of riders. In one of them was scott fitzgerald. Wrote a book called this side of paradise which was rejected. A one hundred and twenty six times before it was picked up and so as we started this process. I took a little yellow sticky note. And i stuck it on my terminal on a screen in front of at your terminal airport when talking about box like a big thing. This is before i through my windows in my windows computer in the river. 'cause crashed i said one twenty six and i told myself when we get there. I'll quit had no intention of doing that. But it was like a. It was a stop for me so we send these out. They're starting to trickle in. I think i've got eighty five in my file at home still and christie walks in. I'm literally it's been fourteen months i. I'm sitting at my computer about three o'clock in the afternoon trying to work on a book. I have bills that i cannot pay. This is the promises. I'm telling you the truth..
"charles martin" Discussed on That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs
"We have my friend charles martin. Y'all know and love him and this month we're getting to hear all of our. That sounds fun. Tour live conversations from the month of june. So if you were able to make it in person or if you're in a different city. I'm really excited. You still get to hear them here. We did save some of each interview just for the live audience. But you'll get to hear most of it plus the live feedback from the audience. Which i think is so fun. Charles martin is one of my favorite novelist. And he's been on the show a couple of times and you have loved those episodes. As have i but i was so excited to sit with him alive and houston texas a few weeks ago. He has a new novel. That came out this summer called the letter keeper after the waterkeeper. Y'all have read those right. Please get them right now. They're so good. You're love the book. And i think you're gonna love this conversation. So here is our chat from houston. Texas with charles martin. Would you please join me welcoming our guest tonight. Charles martin. I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful. They gave you two cups of water. Is that a thing. I'm kinda worried about that. Yeah are there so it may be that. Maybe i just need it trying to keep you hydrated back there. Thank you so much for doing this today. Thank you for having me. it's awesome. I'm so glad repeatedly when people come up to me and speak to me about episodes that matter to them. It's you i mean. We publicly call pastor. Kevin the pastor of the pod but you've like accidentally become a pastor of the pod. Sorry i don't even know what i'm supposed to do with that thank you. I look everytime we sit down and talk. I'm i'm now somewhere over twenty bucks. I'm really comfortable behind the computer screen for weeks and months by myself and i mean you know other than christie and the boys.
"charles martin" Discussed on WJR 760
"One on one. Charles Martin is a licensed professional in Michigan for the products, he said. Ulcer. Uh oh. You're listening to the best of the Paul W. Smith show a break from the, uh, Was it something I said that the music would end? Just like that? Is it something I said or did anyway? A break from the mundane. Uh, the usual, Which is all news, which is all pretty much disgusting. But there it is. Ah! Break from that with a story about an astronaut. What? Yes. Terry Virts, former astronaut Endeavor shuttle pilot International space station commander has Literally written the book. About being an astronaut. In fact, For those of you who would still like to be an astronaut? I know there are many. The book is called How to Astronaut. An insider's guide to leaving Planet Earth, which I know you thought about a lot lately. So we're gonna get a little help here from Terry Virts. Good morning, Terry. Hey, Good morning. Good to be with you guys. I should say he'd agree. You have 50 degrees, and it's only me so I know you're used to morning zoos and morning teams. But I'm here all by my lonesome, in fact, in my house office rather than at a radio station, But that's true for Virtually everybody in radio now so good for me. You you, I should say Colonel Terry Virts retired. Who's because you can't be an astronaut without being in the air force, can you? Well, about half about half a military half for civilians. There's an X I didn't realize that I think at one time they were all military, but I don't know that goes way back. They were back in. Yeah, it's just my luck. I would remember something from the sixties. But be that as it may tell me about your first space flight when you did, and when you were the pilot Of the space shuttle endeavor, and then what made you decide to help anybody else Who's thinking about? Well? I don't know, being an astronaut or wants to know everything they didn't know about being an astronaut. Hello. You know, we had trouble getting him on at the start of the program. Okay, There we go there, So I think the my iPhone decided a mute itself. Um, so I I wish mine would mute itself at the right time. But it doesn't always on Lee at the wrong time. But anyway, so there you are in 2010. See you don't ask a question unless you already know the answer in 2010, making your first space flight as a pilot of the space shuttle endeavor. But that wasn't your only space flight. It wasn't that was my first one on the first flight was about two weeks long, and our job was to finish building a space station, so it took over a decade to build a space station. Andare mission was the last two models. We brought up No. Three, which is this big living module and then the coop alone, which is the coolest part of the space station seven windows. Like observation. All modules Remember in Star wars When Luke and Darth Vader we're had the big lightsaber battle, Darth Vader was standing in front of this big window looking out on space. And that was like the original Coppola stars is the same thing. Only smaller. Really, Um Yeah, it looks if you watched the movie, it looks exactly the same. And then a few years later, I went back, and that time it was for a long duration mission. It was a 200 Day mission and On So did you grow up? Did you know it is a young boy? You wanted to be an astronaut. I did. It was just what I wanted to do. Um, when I was, I don't know. Four or five. I read my first book about Apollo and I was, You know, I grew up with posters of rockets and spaceships and My my bedroom wall, and it's just what I wanted to do. Since I was a little kid, read a book called the Right Stuff in High School and It was amazing. I mean, obviously, it's one of the best books of all time. One of the best movies and it just it talks about how these guys were fighter pilots and then test pilots and That showed me what to do. I didn't know what to do with nobody in my family, do anything and about you know that I was the first guy to go to college. And so, but that book really kind of set in motion my whole life. Now for people who are wondering, I'm here to tell you that the Colonel Colonel Terry Virts, retired astronaut. Um, he gets into everything. I mean, you wondered, he answers. Yes. They wear diapers. You know, I was. You know, this is my kind of I want to know everything and you have it all in this book, Colonel. I tried. There's Yeah, that was the goal and the goal was I had two goals. When I wrote the book. I wanted people to laugh and say, Wow, this is not a technical book. Um, you know, I use a lot of mass acronyms and I make fun of all of them. You know, there's don't need any special knowledge. Of space. It's for men. It's for women. It's for old people is for young people. It's the goal. If you have some interest in space, it's supposed to be fun. And there's 51 like face their 51 short chapters so you can read them in any order. Sitting by the beach. Sure, you know, they're in Detroit in the or or, you know, on the night stand by the bed. It's supposed to be an easy in a fun book toe to read. Well, it's fun because you have a sense of humor. I'll give the example and I don't want to stay in the bathroom, but I'll give it okay. I have an example. When somebody asks you What? When somebody asks you. How do you go to the bathroom in space? Your answer was very carefully. But then you went into detail about. You know what? You what you do, and I'm not going into the detail right now. But I want to ask you a question. I've I've talked to a lot of astronauts. Over the many, many years, and I'm trying to think if I ever asked one of you What's it feel like in space? Well, that's probably one of them. You know, if there was a Mount Rushmore of astronaut questions that would be on there then in the short answer is what it feels like. Is your falling. Andhra reason it feels like you're following is because you're falling so they're still gravity of in orbit. Right? If you're not that far away from aren't you just a couple 100 miles away from Earth, So there's still lots of lots of gravity. The difference is you're going 17,000 miles an hour, right? So Five.
"charles martin" Discussed on Artificial Intelligence in Industry
"So Charles we got you back again. . My good man we we have a theme that we're working on here. . We've watt more listeners that are in the services space. . You might be the first AI consultant that I really learned a lot from way back in the day and one of the things that were sort of wondering you know there's a lot of people spinning out of the enterprise in starting their own services firms whether their technical people are they're focusing on strategy in some way kind of wondering what is it looks like to get started you came from a hard physics background and then somehow bumbled your way into these big projects within companies. . Feels like there's some hurdles there. . What kind of advice do you have or what's the normal path for people who are initially getting into this? ? That's a good question. . I actually did my post doctoral work in a I and when I came out the Silicon Valley I worked with. . A fellow named George, , white who was one of the founding scientists at Xerox Parc in is featured in the movie general magic, , which is the the very famous failed Silicon Valley Startup company that basically invented what we now have the iphone and he was the head of I'd Stanford, and , and I think that it wasn't really obvious to me until you come out the industry you realize even back then there was a lot of ai going on and I think giving starting no having like with anything you know the mentor meant he relationship? ? You'RE GONNA find in industry who are already doing this or a lot of people here, , and you know usually you get started by working with someone in the industry. . Who has a lot of experience? ? This stuff has been around a long time and there's nothing like having. . Operational knowledge something her you can study something in school. . You can read books with in the end you have to have operational knowledge you have to be inside and you have to understand what people really doing. . And so usually you're on a project, , maybe on a project that accompany you join a project you work on it for year. . So maybe two and then you really have veep operational knowledge and you combine that with a strong education and you know listening to lot of and I. . Think one of the things that you do is really great because you try to provide that operational knowledge you talk to people on the inside and say what's really going on. . That's a critical thing because that's what businesses really want is they want to know. . Okay other people are doing this. . What did they do? ? Yeah Obviously hands on work really helps with that this. . This fellow, , a white who you've worked under act presume you were applying obviously, you're , technical fellas. . Some of our listeners are more on the strategy side. . Some are technical like yourselves I presume you were solving problems with machine learning with the sky and I guess that this is for. . Xerox. . Though this George Roxburgh so that he my work with him back then speech recognition. . So voice, , Xml we're trying to find ways to do speech recognition voice xml actually prior to him. . I. . Actually work at a start up with my graduate advisor son-in-law ride visited some of the I work in trends deductive learning for search relevance. . So we were doing like a machine learning for search relevance. . Late, , nineties early two thousand I was totally green. . Then I was going on I was like fresh out of Post Doc. . Yeah. I . knew the theory but you know what you learn in school and what you apply in practice are very, , very good. . Earlier. . And I think it was just really it's just really helpful to understand that connection. . To understand look there are. . Not Everything is when you know people say, , Hey, , I just linear regression is just machine learning. . No no, , it's not. . There's real stuff going on. . And it's tough to make that connection between what's actually happening in the research world and what actually makes its way into production. . Yeah. . I I would imagine it's the same thing for more strategy or management type insulting around Ai topics where it's gonna be really hard for someone to go ahead and do that in earnest without some experience applying those things within a role or titled at they have it. . Feels it feels like what you you'd WanNa maybe run some AI projects within your job. . Let's say wells. . Fargo, , before you spin out and say, , ooh, , I can help some other firms who are assessing vendors or who are working on pulling together stakeholder groups to manage complex AI deployments I'm it feels like just like you had to do with the technical, , probably the same lessons apply on the management side. . Absolutely look the hardest part. . Any strategy is knowing what is and what is not possible. . You have to be able to get a gauge of. . How long something will take what kind of resources you need you need to know all of it right Yep you know seventy percent or sixty percent what's going on? ? That's enough you don't need to have detailed insight, , but you have to know what's possible I mean this is a technology space. . You have to know that technology. . One of the things that makes us very hard for a lot of enterprises is you have people who have been in the technology space for twenty years they've been an IT databases fron. . Maybe they've done a little analytics work. . That's not what this is and you just don't have a pulse on what's going on what is possible and what is not, , and so you can't judge what's easy
"charles martin" Discussed on The Bone 102.5
"Bruce. I'm sorry. But Douglas Edwards, Bruce is an American conservative activist former legislator in the U. S State of Colorado and now convicted felon. He's also known for being the author of Colorado's Taxpayer Bill of Rights. A strict advocate for limited government. Bruce wrote and produced table or a spending limitation measure approved by Colorado voters in 1990 too. His name is so associated with the measure. That attempts to bypass its restrictions are known as D bruising. You'd like to play our game at 7 to 75791025 and 807 711025 I didn't even announce what prizes we have this week. That's a good one, thanks to Michael of Arrow up for grabs this week during our prize patch games. A pair of Busch Gardens tickets. A bone prize pack consisting of a bone T shirt and a DVD. That's a random DVD and A P D Q $25 gift card as today is national tendered A Have you seen about this? I've been watching people drink it. I am very enamored and I feel like I need to get one chicken tender shake that's out there in the world. I'm intrigued. But not intrigued enough to try one. Now, if you were off the rails, would you try one in a sec? OK, Yeah, that's that's pretty much where I am, too. Had I not stepped on the scale and saw and seeing an unfortunate number of few weeks ago, I would in a moment. Try one of these chicken tender shakes. I find them very intriguing. What I'm interested to find out is the consistency of it, because essentially, it's vanilla ice cream and just the chicken tenders, right? Ah, yeah, right. Yeah. So they blend the chicken tender in it. Or is it just the batter? I'm trying to find Danielle? Our friend Daniels. Ah, Instagram post Koshi. I saw her post about India. She ate it. She had one yesterday. I mean, I'm a rifle. I love when places are willing to go out on a limb and putting chicken tenders in a shake. Is going out on a limb. I saw Ryan Hoppy had one yet. I saw Monica. 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"charles martin" Discussed on WTVN
"Just when you thought it was safe to get back into the water there was nineteen seventy five was that long ago we took a bite out of your way so I was like fourteen or whatever I was at the beach and saw the movie theater I was like twelve and I was freaked out my day because that was probably pretty dumb to take care of the C. jaws we're in in western Florida in the bay and I think it was jaws two or three whatever nineteen eighty it should have been did you go swimming the next day das petrified as twelve I don't know what girls money was yet so I was focused on the you know fish but you can't fly but anyway so there you go John was released on this date in nineteen seventy five for a shudder Richard Dreyfuss who I just saw on an episode of Gidget and he was identified back in his Dickey Dreyfus he was on American graffiti was the geeky friend yep narrated Danielle Hughes Paul Henderson as we played excise he towed on there look a little John he looks exactly like Charles Martin Smith the girls act like Little John if you look at the him when he does a flashlight for the fifty five roles in the ditch Paris and for the bad driver collided spank that thirty two things I love it love Suzanne Somers and candy Clark Terry go candy Clark although that's one with the power gets stolen that's three of the other girl not Cindy Williams but the blonde yeah no my liver and surely check on another call or check on the trouble though the lawn it was kind of a squeaky voice yeah I thought she was hot well when I was younger I thought she was cute Halifax and a girl next door Ashley any horse and buggy that the land yeah Jacque Moser did you ever watch American graffiti why yes I did how can you grow up in this great country and not watch a movie like that you know Jack in which the files under CVS don't tell me what that stands owners thirty two buddy I would so like to have one of them thank you that's well we're doing like they're mad that.
How to Determine Your AI Project Needs with Dr. Charles Martin
"Kick things off you're buying in procuring. Ai By talking about vendors being able to kind of screen through who do we want to work with do we want to work with consulting firm a when Ai Software company you know which ones do we wanna work with. How do you like to think about that? Screening process from the buyer's ears perspective. I guess the first thing I would ask is do. We have a very clear idea of what we're buying for. Example are are we we by buying a service to object recognition and if so does the service usable on the data that we have so is it just a SAS service that we can he just run or are we buying some sort of vertical product that solves a particular need in our industry. Maybe it does. Ai Hey but or maybe it does something a call but it gives us an incremental lift or are we trying to bring in a consulting firm to help us solve problems and I think that many solutions particular vendors you may be selling a platform for example may have actually a very high systems integration cost as well as the development cost and I think that. That's it's difficult to really assess if you don't have a very a good understanding of the problem you're trying to solve. Yeah I was GONNA say. Assessing development cost assessing implementation cost. It sounds like you'd really need a lot of stakeholders in the room to figure out. Hey how accessible is that data and maybe we need to investigate that or is this going to work with these kinds of systems. And who do we need to talk talked to about that. I mean it really feels like there'd be a lot of moving parts in getting a sense of how do these alternative stack up in terms of ease of deployment. How do you even begin to think about that? Well look a lot of. Ai is very ethereal it just sort of sounds like you're doing this magical thing and a lot of it is understood metaphorically well it work in this area so it should work for in this other area and we have a lot of people come to us who just do not have a clear understanding of the technology analogy or what it can do or they made understand the fidelity at which they needed they think well it seems to work and we put into production yet. It just doesn't have the accuracy that we were expecting were. Our problem is so nuanced that it doesn't work for our problem. We don't get the kind of specificity that we need and I. I think that it is a problem. In people. Subway do not have experience with the technologies either a general experience technology or specific experience with the vendor. And it's very hard to gain that experience other than directly. You know visceral. You've got to work with the technology. Yeah I mean Kinda wild maybe like the all these lessons to be learned the hard way. I'm sort of imagine a company that's looking at two different vendors. Maybe it's A relatively simple use case like fraud. So we're an ECOMMERCE company. We've got you know a lot of chargebacks or potentially fraudulent transactions. And we're looking looking at you know a sift science and we're looking at some other vendor. We're trying to figure out who among these really that. That's a good look. I use them guys out here in the Valley Ali who worked at one of the major banks and they built the fraud detection system at the bank and then they went and often. Don't the fraud detection on their own and sold the bag and and you know it was built by guys working at a bank for banks and it did you know would level high live in San Francisco and somebody in Philadelphia using my credit card can figure out that was probably not me and it you know that was a very specific vertical and it does a very specific thing and you know there may be other are people in your vertical who are using it and you know I think a lot of times companies just want to do what everybody else is doing as with all investing you need need to have a lead. Yeah elite customer who can qualify that. The product is very good but if you're trying to detect some very specific kind of fraud awed specific to you you may have to invest in. RND project to figure out how to detect fraud and that is it is hard. Yeah now you're working with your own data. You're basically doing your own science in breaking down a unique problem so when I was at Ebay we we had a fraud ten years ago. We had a fraud detection team. I mean maybe if he based at the scale of a small European country so our and we had a detector Dave when we were doing neural networks ten years ago when we know and Ebay has an art department and but we had a separate department outside of are just working on fraud. And you know those guys I think. Think of Italy became balance here. But some of those guys. It's if you're trying to solve something very unique to your specific company as opposed to your industry if it's unique year company. If it's your crown jewels you may not have a lot of success working with an off the shelf solution on the other hand. If you're just trying to solve a common problem that everybody else has and it's very commodity and it's very standard. It may be okay got it till should people assume that if this is A. I'm wondering what bespoke means so like you said a particular kind of fraud so you know. Maybe we're a I don't know we're we're a platform type business business that deals with a certain kind of fake accounts or something that's may be different than the most common sorts of like payment fraud or something like that. If it's maybe something that we feel is is unique in no vendor has built specifically for. Is it safe to presume that now we're going to be looking more at consulting firms and or in house development like almost ubiquitously or do we still talk vendors that are close to it and figure out if there's a way that they could helper that almost always a recipe for failure. I'm interested in your take. Well I I think a lot of the problem with any kind of fraud that other companies aren't telling you what fraud they're receiving. Yeah unless it's you know when they're sec filings. You're not going to know so I think a lot of times people talk to vendors just to find out what's happening in the space right. They just want to know all you guys so you sold your fraud. Product of this guy so to wells does frogger where charge lobby went the same product. Just make sure we have it and you know some you may know something. We look a lot of times. People talk to vendors just because they're trying to figure out what other people are doing and a lot of times when you're trying to solve a major problem you end up hiring someone from the industry who knew what they did another another company otherwise it's just hard to know and that's the problem with things like fraud or security is that they're unknowns and I think that we don't it's not like we have a national effort to prevent fraud. I look really good example. I mean fraud in the dating online dating. I helped a an old student of mine. He started a company that got acquired. The one of the big dating firms on dating and the the entire product was a fraud selection. What would happen is when people would try to the scammers on these match match dot com and tenders and things like this right? Yeah GAM people into giving you money at fraud scamming you the scamming the custom on your blind so we invented a technology that would create a phantom platform so the fraudsters would know that they've been kicked off the platform and that was is the key idea and we were. We were just sitting in a pizza shop in North Megyn. I came up with the idea. You know that those kinds of technologies is that something that everybody has it is. Do there exists some sort of vendor that could create a phantom platform so if you have people on your platform that are bad actors. You can make them think you're still in the because what would happen is the fraudsters where they get kicked off the platform they log back in but if they don't know they've been kicked off the platform they never leave. Oh Oh that's cool. Okay yeah so finding finding like yes. So that's super bespoke. So maybe the take home anyway of two other short questions here but maybe take home is like if you're looking at a remarkably bespoke bill problem. Maybe you're quote unquote vendor landscape. You're looking at might be more of a build slash custom kind of a Shebang in terms of a consulting firm. Your in house resources says versus looking for WHO's got the the plug and play solution and I think you might find that certainly for us. It's true if you have a small company you might be solving a problem other people have and so you might be able to outsource some of the risks by working with vendor. Who develop that with you and you know maybe you own on the Ip for a year and then you about themselves abby that would be a great opportunity for a small company to come in and develop some unique Ip that is in the fraud space or in some other part of? Okay I will they can resolve other companies you get exclusivity for like a year you get thirty percent ownership but that would be a great deal and I think that's otherwise you really in and you're you're a lot of these products are I mean is not a product as much as it is a technology. Yep
Pitfalls to Avoid for the ROI of AI
"This is Dan a Angela. You're listening to a in industry. Last week. We heard from Song Car Iranian chief practice officer of Fratelli analytics. This is a Unicorn Company. A giant firm focused on a consulting analytics consulting with large organizations this week we speak with someone with a similar background ground but at a much smaller firm Dr Charles Martin runs a company called calculation insulting Dr Charles is a bit of a mentor of mine when it comes to a knowledge even speaking to him about our business here at emerged for three plus years and Charles joins us in this month's theme on the Roi of Artificial Intelligence Charles Cassini inside of big companies like black rock on enlarge media firms in you name it in a number of different machine learning oriented projects for ten years running and Charles speaks for this this week about the particular pitfalls to getting to our lied he speaks at length about some of the cultural elements within enterprises that make it so hard to focus on the aspects of ai that are ultimately going to lead us to seeing the return Charles is quite a character and we go off in all kinds of different directions. His brain gene works in in funky ways and so we go off on one tangent run off into another tangent. That's just Kinda how my conversation with Charles so be a little bit prepared for that but it's an awfully awfully fun episode and if you're tuned in an listening closely you'll pick up on some very important. kind of cultural trends that you'll need to be ready for the fact of the matter. Is this if you are prepared for the cultural hurdles for some of the team collaboration challenges that are inevitable bringing. Ai To life in the enterprise you are going going to have a better chance of getting our y point blank period and Charles articulates them at length and with color in this episode here on a industry so without further ado you. Let's hop right in so Charles I wanted to kick off with cer- thinking about the factors mean to consider before pulling the trigger on a I project before diving into an initiative the what should business leadership which the project team do well ahead of time to give themselves the best chance of seeing a return on a project. What would you kind of nutshell there you know I I think I would give the same advice that we get in a startup is that you need to figure out how you can test your assumptions functions as quickly as possible and to pivot is quickly as possible to be able to run different kinds of experiments to figure out? What's really going to work yet so it let me think about that? Maybe out loud here with you Charles in other words when we're kicking off an issue. It's not just okay. This is the goal that we're shooting for. It's this is the goal. Here's how we think we're GONNA get there. Does this involve a little bit of Plan B. Plan C. A number of different hypotheses. We could run with kind of having all of that on decks that that if we need to change direction we can do it in real time or what does that look like in Let me give you the alternative y'all is that you go out and you have some idea that some data's going to be useful and so you spend half a million dollars buying this data and then you spend six months trying to get your data the infrastructure in place and at the end of all this you find out that the data was useless and someone comes the data scientists and go well. Why doesn't this work and they just kind of looked at you puzzle go? Why would you think it would work you you? There's been no actual vetting of the actual project other than some sort of soft feeling that you have that this should work and I think that's the hardest part is that it's sort of the story of the Edsel you know that people went out thought they are and what you have is a lot of edsels. You're not getting in front of customers or in front of users. It's getting inside your own infrastructure and figuring out what you have ch- and it's a lot easier and a lot more enticing ver- ingineers especially. It people to want to build things than to want to solve problems so they will spend an enormous amount of time time building infrastructure setting up databases doing compliance all sorts of things everything that's safe because they already know how to do it and you're just just building something and you know how to scope but you know how to budget and you know how to staff for it and then when you get to the A. I. Part you're like well. We have all the infrastructure in place then you find lied out well. You didn't really think about what you had and it turns out that maybe maybe he didn't really look carefully at your data data and it turns out your data's of mass and it takes you months of just figuring out what's in your data or or maybe it turns out the idea you had just as fundamentally only not viable. We've we've had many projects like this. Someone comes to us and they want to do a project and we look at the data and they're just like we're you know you're just going to build features and build a model built features. There's and build a model we look at the data we go. This is not a viable idea and if you look at it you could see immediately that this isn't GonNa fly and I think that's the hardest part and so you need to figure out how to design a process within your organization where you can avoid all of the process that you already have house. You can start running experiments here. Here's another another good problem another issue that comes up a lot of organizations especially. It organizations are designed around automation automation compliance governance. They want things to run into end automatically and so you start working on a project and you've got an idea of you built a modern you and you might take you like a week to build a model. Maybe it's not that complicated model as it takes six months to get this thing into production why well because you're inside the. It department is insisting that the entire product be run into end within your it infrastructure well I he's he's been around for twenty years and so the infrastructure is quite mature and Y- There's compliance issues around the data and you have to have automated build systems and automated deploy systems and it turns out that it turns that you're not really set up to do that yet. You're automated. Systems are not designed nice to roll out this new product and so it's kind of like saying the analogy matching of a factory in the factory. Make some kind of widget and you WanNa make something new. You know you WANNA make some new toy your toy company toy but you don't really know if the children are going to like it you gotta figure out how could you make a hundred little toys Oy. Give him out to your customers and tested before you spend six months retrofitting your factory and the same thing problem and it I- shops the problem is that the it world wants delivery but data science is not about delivery. It's about discovery discovery. Okay another this okay you might if we poke into this Charles Life. That's more than a lot to unravel here. I know the audience is GonNa want to catch up with so yes yeah so the delivery versus discovery is a very interesting dynamic. It's a that's a nice nutshell. You know it's sort of like you have emphasized the. Ai Is not it deal you know we have kind of the probabilistic versus the the more if then type of scenario this is another lens on it the delivery it versus discovery avary and I think one of the things that would be useful to unravel for the audience would be what are these assumptions. What are these assumptions that maybe people don't realize our assumption so the way that I see this when you're articulating Charleston I want to kind of make this into a couple of actionable bullets for for the folks tuned in would be as we're imagining our? Ai Project we're thinking through okay. I believe that this data trained in this kind of way with this kind of a model would be able to decrease are false positives or would be able to recommend commend better products that might improve our car value by X. percent or something like that whatever the case may be what we'd have to do is essentially look at what we're going to try and ask ourselves in a very harsh light here and preferably with data scientists in the room. I think a lot of these mistakes are made when it's just the C. Suite laying out how this is GonNa work we get data scientists in the room mm-hmm and we say which of these things that that we're GonNa think are going to happen here or completely hypotheses and maybe we're never going to have one hundred a percent of a proper guests on the upfront but can we maybe come up with a better set of hypotheses. Is there a better data set we could start with. We don't know it's going to work but maybe we could begin with a better hypothesis so is it. Is it worth sort of assessing here's what we want to roll out. Here's all the all the assumptions that underpin that whether we think their assumptions are not here's all the assumptions that underpin that data scientists scientists and business people to pick those apart and then say are any of these blatantly stupid or can any of these be tested in very small ways that we feel good about releasing these funds is this kind of what you're getting at is. Is there a better more high level way yeah go ahead kind of but the here's the problem with that we've had projects go into a company and we have a very very simple product. We want to produce something you want to improve the accuracy wouldn't build some classify or some predictor as look you gotta give me your data and you gotTa give me two weeks seeks minimum to just look at the data and what happens is they come in and the first thing they want to do is have this hypothesis session but they're not hypotheses their conjectures because a hypothesis in the scientific method requires that you I have looked at some data we make hypothesis. This is based on things you've seen so it's not a hypothesis if you haven't actually looked at anything yet conjecture just wild speculation and what happens is you go into a planning meeting and people have all sorts of ideas of things it would like to try all we can do this so we can do that we could. It's like you know you're it's not they're not functional ideas because you haven't really thought about what the date is actually telling you and I think this is one of the hardest things to grasp and it's very hard because what happens in any organization is larger Oreo especially now because or now we're starting to see I A- carrying larger organizations tend to think about how people in large organizations thank you know when the manager or the or the or the business leader comes in and says something well. They're gonNA do whatever that person says irrespective of whether it's a good idea or not because they're trying to basically do their job and cover themselves so they're not going thank you and and and they're not gonNA think okay I need to go out and take some risk and I need to try to guess what we need to do anything to try to look at the date on prophesized something. They're gonNA be much more comfortable if someone tells them. Here's what I want you to do and you do it because they're going to be more secure in their jobs. It's just the nature of how how large organizations work many times you know when we've done. Ai Project that they think what's changed is that if you were to talk to me about a I even five years ago I would say well. This is mostly being done within the innovation groups of a company but now what we're finding is you know you carve out some piece of the company which is isolated needed from all the other processes and by carving that out you're not burdened by the processes or the management structure but now we're starting to see I happened inside of companies just inside the company. Everyone wants to be. I every company is trying to be an I look it's all Google and facebook talk about as ai yes.
Zdeno Chara puts his gigantic reach on display with fight against Matt Martin
"Antonelli. Bruins got another win last night. Five nothing win over the islanders in New York. And as you go about your work day today think about this. If you run into someone who six foot nine two hundred and fifty pounds. Don't fight them islanders forward. Matt Martin did not heed that advice last night. Chara drop. Neither man, where's the visor? Charles. Martin trademark bouncing back up chart tax. He's got a slave Leith of about fifty