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Charles Johnson shares his loss with us during Black Maternal Health Week

Consumer Watchdog Podcast

22:21 min | 8 months ago

Charles Johnson shares his loss with us during Black Maternal Health Week

"Hello everyone and welcome to consumer watchdog's range for justice report. I'm your host Carmen Bulger. I'm executive director of consumer watchdog. And thank you for joining us today. We are still broadcasting remotely. So thanks for your patience with any sound issues book. We seem to be getting the knack of it I think you'll really be glad you joined us this week. And I'm really looking forward to talking to our guest today He is a person who I met. Just a few years ago But really embodies the rage for justice In the name of the PODCAST Charles and I met a few years ago when I learned about the Unspeakable tragedy that his family went through three years ago. This week And became to an came to learn about his incredible advocacy for change To protect a families In response to their loss So Charles Johnson. A welcome to the podcast a common. Thank you so much for having me. It's really truly an honor to chance to to speak with you You know on a on a personal note You know you are responsible for a huge turn. Deposit Direction are on this journey. We'll talk about that as far as you know. Attorney legal standpoint Professional level just so grateful to have an ally like similar watchdog in disagree students for the entire team there in your relentless relentless work on behalf Making our country better safer place for For customers into in family so extremely ground in fortunate to Have this wonderful working relationship forward to change the world. Get to tell her. We thank you for those those kind words Charles. And the only reason we're able to make any sort of changes because People like you are willing to stand up and tell the truth however however painful those stories are so maybe I maybe we should just open with y all started for you and why this week in particular is an important week. This week is black. Maternal Justice Week here in the United States. We'll circle back and bring this full circle but little about myself. As I am. Debate grandfather to amazing kids but do soaked worsening just really nice woman actually changed my life. Carmen in so we talk about Kira. We're talking the woman that was a skydiving spoken. Five languages fluently. Just really amazing amazing person in so we were glad to my first son. Charles in two thousand fourteen and we were over the Moon Welcoming are sentenced on Langston Shortly thereafter our boys were eighteen months apart in. This is everything. We talked about everything we raised. What is having these two really cool little guys will grow into young man? Just have one impact on the world. Sal I'm an native in Atlanta Georgia in recently relocated to the boss Angeles California in. Wimmer expecting our second son. Langston cure had very healthy pregnancy. No complications was in great shape. Great Health and WE WALKED INTO CEDAR SINAI EPICENTER On April. Twelve to two thousand and sixteen weeks for. I'm sorry on April. Twelve two thousand and sixteen. Will we expect it to be the happiest of our lives in walks directly into a nightmare we showed up was supposed to be a routine scheduled c-section and we win for the delivery at two PM in afternoon? Winston was born perfectly healthy on complications. Tim Fingers Tinto Roads and shortly after that they took a spectrum. Cavalry he arrives. It's beautiful beautiful new baby boy and we're just on top of the world such an amazing amazing feeling but that really quickly changes always back their recovery. Here's resting on the baby's recipes. I'm sitting miraculous bedside of again to see blood coming into her catheter for Catheter. I was looking at arm's Attention to the doctors the nurses to sign on keeping minus around four o'clock in the afternoon so become in es-escalade Zaman her bay. You know take our vitals and they did several things at that point. They ordered blood work and also ordered a cat scan. It goes to become stat and so at that time stat means to me. I'm sure your arms degree stat means away happened right away immediately in so concerned but keep in mind at this point on wife is healthy. My baby's healthy. We're supposed to be when the best hospitals in the country so this is around. Four o'clock Manal. This happened so about thirty minutes. Go by all her blood. Work comes back. Showing DAD ARE HEARD LEVELS. Glad that was abnormally. Well it's she's painful to the touch and You know she's going to lose color but still they haven't before this CT scheme five o'clock comes. They haven't found the C team. They did however perform ultrasound on the ultrasound. They can see their abdomen is beginning to fill with fluid or But five o'clock comes not skin. Six o'clock homes still haven't performed AC- Tiki Ryan. I'm asking we'll look. Where's the scan winning are coming? Would we doing in telling me? Oh is just coming. It's coming. It's come so seven o'clock comes Carmen. By seven. O'clock cure is shivering uncontrollably. I she's in a lot of pain and she shouldn't give. She's losing so much because I'm so asking once again hey look where's the CD's gainey so it was on a. Oh it's coming we'll check back with you nothing. Seven o'clock comes eight o'clock. I'm still not skin. Nine o'clock comes over this time. They're giving her IV fluids She's having more more hard difficult time just even staying awake. She attempted to breastfeed But in a lot of pain and just her condition clearly rapidly deteriorating. I'm just asking for help him. Asking the nurse on asking doctors and we're getting this unreal run around from everybody on staff and nine comes. Ten o'clock com eleven. Eleven o'clock comes and they still haven't taken care back for surgery still haven't performed a cat scan those folks. Four class in so midnight comes wasn't so around twelve thirty. Am The following morning. The finally made the decision to take your back to surgery and win. They took her back to surgery. Walk down the hall and You know she sent me baby. I'm scared to my best. Reassure that is. We'll be okay that you're GONNA call in fix it and you'll finally took win on that walk that we just can't go any further on it will carry the operating room and those doors behind her and that was the last time. I saw mark when it took her back surgery and is important for your listeners. Understand this is difficult to say. When they took her back to surgery bay opened her up and she had three and a half years of blood in her from where she had been allowed to deteriorate in bleed internally for almost ten hours while our please for helping cries and advocacy on behalf cure just fell on deaf ears and so for me walking into that hospital that afternoon with a woman that was not only a good health comment but in exceptional in trying to see the fact that she would never walk out to raise. Her boys never crossed my mind and so when they go back. Surgery opened up in when opened up heart stopped immediately and she did not survive. Story is so painful to hear. Every time I've heard it in. This is not the first but I just want to put a point on something that you said Which is that. She had three and a half liters of blood in her abdomen and that this was an entirely preventable death complications of course always happen in medical care But this was an identifiable and preventable problem cares. Life could have easily been saved if just the hospital had listened to your please very very nasty things down. Is the most painful about this for me right because you're absolutely right. What happened to cure woods completely preventable? There were signs immediately after she came out of the First Surgery. The delivery that she was bleeding internally. We have is not a mistake as you're actually right mistakes happen but what happened here was A complete failure a failure of systems of failure of humanity and it was really just delay in denial delay in denial Really talk about some of the systems that broke down everything that possibly could win wrong. Incur- by medical experts reviewed the records. It would happen to cure is not a medical tragedy. It's a medical catastrophe In a actually write it should not have happened to cure. Should be here today. So then You learn to things. After this I think that are part of the reason Your advocacy is so important in one is about a law that our listeners know a lot about. Because we've been talking about it for months now which is California's cap on compensation When a loved one dies from medical negligence so maybe you can tell us just a little bit about what you learned about that law when you went to seek accountability for what happened absolutely so I had no clue about Indian laws in so much pain just really trying to put one foot in front of the other I had last amount was trying to really seek accountability but when that time came and I started talking to lawyers I understood that in fact in the state of California. And they're these ridiculously outdated laws in really unconstitutional laws. We talk about the microcapsule limit. The value of a person's life at two hundred fifty thousand dollars Ryan and is shocking. When I say that out loud right for me to conceive the fact that one first and foremost you could put a value on something that was so precious and absent. Priceless to myself. Absolute Slam voice is crazy but then to literally and figuratively add insult to injury to find out that in California. They limit the value of a person's. Life in instances of medical negligence. To two hundred thousand dollars is crazy. So subsequently with that with admit is found in attorney That was the case but immediately everything he was doing was pressuring me to settle. This is about so much more than just money. This is about accountability and being transparent being able to have closure understanding about what happened but most importantly communist you mentioned making sure that steps were being taken to ensure that would happen to cure. Doesn't happen to anybody else. And because these case because these caps were in place. There was no mechanism even to this day. Cedar Sinai has not told me anything about what happened to cure. What's been happening? Their internal investigation but more importantly in what they're doing to take steps to prevent this from happening to limit and because they don't have to because they are protected by these ridiculous medical malpractice caps and it's on extremely unfortunate. And let me and you know to put a fine point on that. The reason this this cap forced you into the situation like this is because when a maximum value of a case is capped at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in nineteen seventy five dollars which is about fifty grand today It costs as much to continue to pursue a case as you could ever recover and so at some You know that lawyer is practically taking on a pro bono job in order to keep pursuing something because the hospital has no has new financial incentive to do the right thing Because of the CAP and so You know that's that's why we're we're so appreciative that you decided to Share care story with the world because it will it puts it puts very clear spotlight unwind. This law prevents patients Patient care from getting better and maybe that brings us to the other really important piece of the story. Which is that It is a particular crisis of for black MOMS in California and in America. And you've been a a really powerful advocate on that front as well. Maybe want to Share a little bit of that work to solicit jump right into this. When this first happened to me I thought in having happened to cure. I thought that a woman dying in exceptional. How in American in two thousand sixteen was a thing of the past? Something that just doesn't happen Found out shortly thereafter is that we are in the midst of a maternal mortality crisis in the United States in bag the United States. Lease the civilized world in women dying in childbirth. So about eight hundred. Women are dying annually from preventable causes related to childbirth. That's more than two women. Dying every day right here in the United States to win will die today someplace United States giving the gift of life and so for me. I was shocked in even. Furthermore we have these ridiculous racial disparities so in addition to this being shamed point what was going talk about the disparities that disproportionately affecting African American women women of Color African American women are dying four to five times as often three four times as often as their Caucasian counterparts. And when I found out about this I was shot and I had to do something about it. And you know that's when I really made the decision to shakier story publicly not knowing what to expect but just hoping that ride sharing cure story publicly that it will bring some attention to this topic because of two thousand sixteen. Nobody's talking about this. Will you know I think Charles that you deserve so much credit for deciding to tell Kerr story in the public way that you did because it really did launch Have a huge part in launching the national recognition of this maternal health crisis in particularly the black maternal health crisis This has been a variant journey. But she said it was so proud of the fact that in two thousand eighteen we weren't able to pass the first ever federal piece of legislation to stopped to to to impact this Preventing maternal term de sacked in two thousand eighteen. We got that passed on. But that's just the beginning except bill will go a long way to studying understanding the crisis but now we have to have more comprehensive more aggressive legislation in policy reform to protect women further. Because what's the what's been happening is unacceptable so currently I just introduced in conjunction with the black. What's wrong health caucus a comprehensive package of bills have nine different? Federal bills called mom now bus spill and they can affect the other from the Momma but still right and so we introduced ad And the first week of March and what? This what these bills will do is they will address all the different aspects of Health crisis from the racial disparities from social determinants of how meaning would social factors. That are impacting women dying. They have access to transportation to get them to obstetrical care. Do they have adequate paid leave? we have a bill in there. That is focused on using technology. Better served women right. How can we quantify quantified lead Boston more accurate way through technology? How can we use telemedicine to serve women who don't have social barriers to care? How can use all types of technology have a specific bill that addresses the needs of our our women who are in? Military Service Ryan. People oftentimes don't even think about how they're overlooking vulnerable in so we're proud in in in in that bill in that package is the cure. Dixon Law am sorry to cure the cure. Johnson at AK cures and with this bill will do it will not provide funding for community based care. additional funding for Dula. Care around organizations serve women of color but very importantly it will work towards setting a comprehensive standard of care across the board and increased accountability. Because that's what I'm all about one of the things I'm most proud of is it will provide funding to prove to create independent quality of care and dignified care compliance offices within hospitals that are independent from the hospital. So how does this work if someone has an instance where they feel? They've been discriminated against They've been neglected. There will be an office inside that hospital where they can watch their concerns right. That will be very importantly independent from the hospital and the federal government will collect that data and then publish those reports so it goes a long way towards what we need in this country is. We've got to this. Healthcare system to win puts patients over profit and doesn't protect and allow Negligent providers to Haina Veil of lack of accountability. Well I think that is probably a good place To close for today. Thanks so much for all your work Charles for sharing story for joining us today. Honored thank you so much for having me To repeat just in case anyone wants to learn more about the mom nervous which is an amazing name Very impressed with that one Or the fairness for injured patients act. Which is the California ballot measure were working on to update that nineteen seventy five cap You can go to four cure for MOMS Which is Charleston's website or consumer watchdog dot org which is ours So that's the end of the show. All thank you for listening. This has been the rage for justice report. And don't forget to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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Gov Newsom: Give patients a seat at the table

Consumer Watchdog Podcast

13:27 min | Last week

Gov Newsom: Give patients a seat at the table

"Hi everyone and welcome to consumer watchdog's raid for justice. Report our weekly conversation about the current issues where exposing confronting and changing. I'm your host carmen vulgar. I'm the executive director of consumer watchdog. And this week at my friend. Charles johnson is our guest. He's the co founder of the patient safety organization for cure for moms and the chair of the fairness ad campaign for the twenty twenty two ballot measure of for a patient safety initiatives in california. I'm so glad you're able to join me today. charles. Welcome to the podcast carmen. Thank you so much for having me. It is an honor to be here. Anytime i get to spend time with you and team consumer watchdog on it really is. It's an honor Fired up today. We got a lot to cover But i'm grateful person foremost to the work that you all continue to do. Fighting for the people of california and really across the country Some grateful and glad to be with you this afternoon. Well so glad to have you and we're super grateful for the work you do. If if anyone has been listening for the podcast long enough They know a little bit about your story that you lost your wife to medical negligence. You learned firsthand about how the medical system and then the legal system are stacked against patients. who were harmed and and it's why being the chair this campaign to change the law that's been in effect in california since nineteen seventy five That caps compensation for People who are harmed by medical negligence and prevents those families from getting justice especially Especially families and communities of color so What maybe. I should just through one more piece of information out there. Which is why we thought it was so important to talk today. Because there's been a lot of big news brewing over the last week that's really developed into a flashpoint now because It was revealed late last week that the new system went out to dinner a for his pal and a lobbyist friend's birthday party at the exclusive french laundry restaurant Which is a really high high priced a hot ticket item and new pictures Then really develop that story from what was a little a flash in the pan to really disturbing. Scenario of photos were uncovered at the dinner. That showed it really flown to flaunted all of the pandemic safety guidelines that. We've all been trying so hard to follow. It was completely unmasked. It wasn't socially distanced. It wasn't even really outdoors as the governor had claimed in his apology. And the kicker for us was that the dinner guests included Not only his pal. The lobbyists jason kenney many industries including the medical industry but also the president and top lobbyist for the california medical association. So what did you think when you started saying this news come out charles it To be honest seeing the pictures in hearing what happened it really honestly made me sick to my stomach army What those of us who know that. Wake up every single morning trying to slay. Dragons understand is that this special interest powerful lobbyists in billionaire corporations have distinctly unfair advantage over the every day citizens in this country right but for me to see this photo. Surface of gavin of governor gavin newsom. Who is first and foremost. The you know the head honcho of the state and the biggest Country of practicing social distance protocols in forcing masks and demanding the People on stay socially distance in businesses by exceptionally strict guidelines with this dinner Not practicing any of what. He's been preaching days. Stay but furthermore. I was just so sick into because this same governor If somebody did for the past year. I've been trying relentlessly to meet with brian On occasions last year when we introduced working on on behalf of the victims of medical negligence state of california the fairness act in working towards qualified which we have because we got qualified for the twenty twenty two ballads on request within them. We were denied. We've requested him with at least three different occasions. I have you all have as a team. I know other people on behalf of this initiative has tried to meet with him and we've been denied but to see the california medical association we know is dumping millions of dollars in the keeping. These unfair unconstitutional. Quite frankly racist metal caps in the state of california in place all coz with government. I'm be honest. Like i'm gonna take my my my Figureheads had just as a man. It just hurt right. It hurt because beyond the policy. I day in day out. Talk to these fans right. I sit up on into the wee hours of the morning with the della. Rose is crying about the fact. That daughter is gone right. I talked to you know tammi schnitt. I talk to these families. I know how much pain they're in. But while these families are suffering these people are living high on the hog and while we can't even simply get the you know the time of day replacing the time of day or the respective conversation. When it's really a it's it's actually. It's a literal seat at the table of live as you. These patients have been denied have been denied exactly and for me. It's the thing to a really is just to sum it up. It's insult to injury literally and figuratively right. And but you know we're we're past the point of asking we're demanding so Is going to have to do with easy with art way. And maybe just so our readers who haven't heard your story or our listeners. Not readers who haven't heard your story before no you've been very clear that when we're talking about these caps they're not just unjust But they're racist They discriminate specifically about Against people of color against black and brown communities and your wife was an african american woman who died after a successful birth because your complaints were simply ignored correct correct. And that's what we're seeing these These these microcapsule Extension of a on racist industrial metal complex Having its fingers in the state legislature in formulating policies that protects these multibillion billion dollar insurance companies while making sure that families who are oftentimes black and brown are not able to recover when they've been victims of medical negligence oftentimes catastrophic horrible injuries in far too often Leading to they townies ride in. So you know right now for your listeners. I know who who pay attention to the work to do right now. In the united states medical negligence Ears are the third leading cause of debts the third leading cause of death in have stated by california. It's supposed to be shining example of being progressive and service to the people It's a saddening as disheartening back. Then the special interests are are dumping hundreds of millions of dollars to keep these caps in place in keep family soccer. And that really comes back to why this These revelations about this dinner that the government is so foolish as decided to attend Are so disturbing because the reason these caps are still in place is because the berry lobbyists who were at that meeting with the governor. The ceo of the california medical association dustin corcoran the top lobbyists janice. Norman jason kenney. Who was the birthday boy at that party. But represented the california medical association for many years and was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a to oppose changing the cap. The last time this was on the ballot back in two thousand fourteen all have that exclusive access to the rooms of power where these decisions are being made and patients like you. Ami's like yours get a get shut out in the cold which was really why this really a tipping point for the governor. Is he going to continue to take his advice. from these guys from the elite or is he going to start listening to you and families Like those you've gotten to know over these many months about what real people in california. You need to protect them. Absolutely i think is so is so spot on comedy because i really do think that this is Is a big moment for the gover- is difficult. is this work often. I still optimists I think that this is a chance for governor. Newsom to stand up and do something that truly could define his legacy ride And take a very significant stand On behalf of both families in california who are the most vulnerable who have been victimized for generations since this is a cap it has been in place since nineteen seventy five right in. What i'm asking is if he's not going to do i'm asking him to look me in my face and explain to me why i'm looking for him to look. Sabrina dela rosa in the face and explained to her. Why i'm looking for him to look tammy schneck in the face after these wonderful people who have lost or been victims of these caps. Pour their heart out to him in explained them have they suffered Unjustly undies were caps. I want you to explain to us why you refuse to take a stain that so i think a good placed ended the call on the governor to finally to finally set at that meeting. I think that i can speak for you. And all of the folks who wanna meet with him If i say that you're not going to demand an in person meeting at the french laundry we'll be we'll be satisfied with a remote socially distanced zoom meeting a. But it's time it's time to make that to make that meeting to set that time I'm looking forward to it. And if we do get to be in person. I'll give him six again eight feet. I'll have mac our victory but However it is wherever it is. I'm looking forward to it in hope. That is much sooner than later. Absolutely will thanks so much for joining charles. Thanks for all of the work that you're doing and thank you so much carmen. I appreciate you guys. Please give my best to everybody over there at the team in. It holidays holidays coming out holidays to you to absolutely So folks can to learn more about charles's story to learn more about this story To see the photos of the governor eating elbow to elbow with These lobbyists again to learn elbow in cheek to cheek cheek to cheek. Absolutely go to consumer watchdog dot org of find more about charles story and all of that and we'll have charles back on the show later so he can tell us if he ever got that meeting with the governor Thanks for listening. Everyone remember all as always to subscribe to the podcast. For wherever you get your podcast. You can find us there and we'll talk you next week. the rage for justice report. Thanks for listening.

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BGN Radio #45: Finding the Right First Round Fit

Bleeding Green Nation

1:04:20 hr | 1 year ago

BGN Radio #45: Finding the Right First Round Fit

"Remember when sports networks actually covered news and highlights without the yelling and fake debates. Well, those days are here again with CBS sports HQ. It's the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans like you. You'll get tons of highlights analysis and instant game reactions everything that matters about the game without diving into political and social issues like on other sports networks, and if you're working on building your fantasy league their experts are always dishing out their top picks in advice to check out CBS sports HQ, it's always on and always free. There's no subscription fee or expensive cable package. Just download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV to start watching today. You're listening to BGN radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles hottest with John Stolnis in randomly gal? Hello, bleeding, green nation and welcome back to BGN radio. This is episode number forty five. I'm John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. We've got a big show coming up here for you. We are getting closer and closer to the NFL draft and L G, and I are going to break it all down here for you over the next forty five minutes to an hour. Give you our picks as far as what what positions we think the eagles should be focusing on early in the draft. We'll get to some crazy stuff set on the NFL network about what Howie Roseman could do in the draft coming up here in a couple of weeks. And we'll we'll try to answer the question. What is the best draft pick in eagles history? So we got all that coming up here on episode forty five and joining me as he does every week. Is the brains behind bleeding green nation dot com. May he forever reign Brandon league out, and you can follow him on Twitter at Brandon gallon, Biel G man, the draft is almost here buddy two weeks away. John we are two weeks away from the two thousand nineteen NFL draft as we are recording this on Thursday, April eleventh, kind of sneaks up on you in some ways to go. The draft is here in another ways after all these mock drafts looking at an all these pre draft visits, and all this could they do this could they do that in some ways if it takes forever to get here at least for me. So I'm glad we're getting close to weeks away. And it'll be fun. I think last year, you know, the draft wasn't super exciting in the sense that the only had five picks. They just won the Super Bowl Servian doesn't really even care about the draft there everyone's still riding that Super Bowl high and this year's a little different. It's kind of like, okay. This is a very important draft this team they really need to nail this especially if they're going to make that push in not. For now into us nineteen in the immediacy of things, but also the long term future of this team. The foundation the building blocks going forward so an important draft and Roman two weeks away. And as always there's a let's talk about. Yeah. There is an and what one of the things we're gonna get into here is some of the difficulty in trying to figure out what to do. I mean, it's it's it's easier for a losing team to have a clearer idea of direction in the draft cause usually have a higher pick, and you have so many needs. And you could you need as many stars as possible. But for team like the eagles that has a really good roster. And they they don't have a whole lot of positional needs. It's it's kind of up in the air where they're gonna go at this point. So we're gonna get into all that coming up here and just a few minutes. But before we get into draft talk, which is going to dominate the podcast this week. Just a quick bit of news that the eagles announced they've signed three players from what used to be the af quarterback Luis Perez who played for the Birmingham iron wide receiver. Greg were junior who played for the San. Tonio commanders and wide receiver. Charles Johnson who played for the Orlando Apollo's all to one year deals Beal j what do you make of these signings? I know the af was here for a little while we didn't get to see these guys a whole lot. And you know, are these guys that you would expect to actually play regular season football with this team? This is the guy we talked about last week. You know that heels were reportedly working him out. They were on Monday. And they thought whatever they saw was good and going back to last week's episode, John we are talking about this guy. Louise's pres- not great stats in the AFC. But I think the cell on him once again, if I can do the cell job here for the eagles is that only twenty years old his stories crazy. He didn't really play football in high school. He wanted to be a bowler professional bowler. That's hilarious Napoleon apparently. Yeah, he's he's bowled like something like six or seven perfect games are a lot. Maybe I'm under doing that. So I forget the number, but the point is a really good bowler. And then he goes to. To southwestern college a junior college. He walks on there. He's like ninth out of nine quarterbacks on the there as a walk on mind. You again like didn't have a lot of blogs ran somehow, you know, does get enough there to be able to transfer to Texas Commerce, a division two school. He ends up having insane career there any wins like the equivalent of division two Heisman of success. They're all of a sudden, you know, he gets to the NFL, but as an undrafted free sending the Rams in spent the last preseason with them he he barely played in the preseason. But still I mean for him to get that far is like it's pretty good for player who does not have a lot of expense. So I think the eagles cell is that like this is a guy who we can get in our system, and we can coach him up. I think you know, I think like if you give him NFL coaching like, maybe he can be something. And I think it's worth a shot. You know, it's it's it's a higher upside play than like bringing in Joe Callahan last year who really didn't have the size to be. The NFL quarterback while you respect to the mighty Joe Callahan. Peres in theories six three two hundred twenty two pounds like he has decent size. I don't know that he's really gonna turn into anything. But you have Carson Wentz starter you have Nate sunflower as your backup. If you wanna bring in a developmental guy as you can still do that in the draft. But Peres also kind of dislike a lottery ticket as well. You might as well see what you got you're going to need camp Barton anyway. 'cause usually carry for at least four quarterbacks for training camp and stuff just to fill the rep. So I don't know. It's fine. Do you think do you think anything of that one? You know? I don't I I mean, I get what you're saying. And I, but I mean regard like this. It's probably going to go the way of something like Christian hackenberg. Dig last year. I mean, I hear what you're saying. You know, he's he he definitely size, and he's he's young and maybe with a little coaching. You know, it it could turn into something. But you know, I think this team still needs another quarterback toback these guys up and you'll probably see them add somebody after the draft to could just be a little somebody that you know, has a little bit more of a track record or maybe they even draft a kid late. You know, maybe they've been taken in the in the fourth of the fifth round or something like that and develop somebody, you know, who maybe has a little bit more of a pedigree, a little bit more of a history in college and high school and all that. But I get I get with the idea behind this is you know, if you've got to runners, and you've got they both run at the same speed. But once got horrible form, and the other one's got picture-perfect form a coach is going to want that kid with terrible form every time because you can coach him up and make him a better player. And so, yeah, I get that's what the eagles probably want to do here. But my given how he played in the af I'm just I believe in miracle. B L G. But this would this would certainly qualify as one if they turned him into something, but it is Doug Peterson. I will never doubt anything Doug Peterson does again as long as I live, man. Yeah. We have an answer the other two guys Charles Johnson and Greg ward actually listed both of those guys on my list of former af I sorry. I was going to list both of them. I left off Charles Johnson because he turns thirty or thirty yet. They're just thought. Yes alike. It's not like there's a lot of untapped upside. There. Tensely Charles Johnson, obviously had some experience the Vikings. I remember Charles Johnson is this guy who like pretty athletic and decent size. I always remember him being darling like Vinci football Twitter. Like, I remember like Evans Silva back in the day. Just like tweeting about him. Instantly of like almost like a cult hero friend breakout guy, and he never seemingly like dot the opportunity like it's like a team never really like fully believe in him. News round pick. No teams weren't necessarily invested in him and didn't give him every opportunity to succeed. So you're gonna get a look at him in training camp. Again, he is good size is fast that speed showed up in the af towards look and then with Greg ward eagles, obviously signed him as an undrafted free agent. It was a two years ago now going into after the two thousand seventeen NFL draft and ward was converting from quarterback, you know, where he played Houston to wide receiver. When I remember watching Greg ward in OTA's in camp that year, and I was like man this guy. I just don't see the helix so thin credit to him. Like he's worked really hard done. I think a pretty decent job of making that transition from quarterback too wide receiver, obviously not good enough quite yet to make fully at the NFL level. But for us to bring him back in for him to have some success in the af. F- his receiving numbers weren't great. But he was actually lea- led the league and punt return average. So he was kind of the interest there. And you know, who knows what Darren sproles it's going to be back there, you're gonna need returner. Be Greg word can kinda have good preseason. He can play special teams. He can give you some depth in the slot. He can throw affiliate Philly if you want back. Yes, I experience. So yeah, I'm interested to see him back in twenty two years old. So overall, you know, nothing too crazy. But these are the kind of moves that you like to see it's working the Martins. Yeah. Like to take it to like the Sixers, for example, there are team right now who are going into the playoffs, and they have depth issues in part because they never worked the margins these past couple of years, they didn't do these little things in the us do that. And it doesn't mean it's gonna pay off by just you feel good when their team at least tries to take a chance on people like this. So that's my take away from these signings. Yeah. It's paying attention to the small things to the to the little details because you're right. You never know when you never know when you're going to get Corey Clement and Corey comment was I was obviously, you know, he experienced but undressed of drafted free agent. You never know when you're gonna find a diamond in the route. Then maybe that's what happens here. So we'll see we'll keep an eye on these guys during camp and see if any of them rebel to stick in the avid good camp that always helps you when you're trying to make an NFL roster. Are I'd be L g let's dig into the NFL draft. You don't I think as we as we. Again, this thing just a couple of weeks away. We know the eagles pick number twenty five got two second round picks. No third round pick and then a bunch of third day picks. So they they are going to be more active than they were last year. Like, I was saying before we got started talking about the af guys because this is a really good football team. And Ben select mentioned this in the latest edition of the kissed Solex show because you have a Super Bowl team on your hands. Here. There's not a lot of need for starters for this roster. Most of the starting positions have been set. It's kind of an interesting tightrope to walk here. If you're Howie Roseman, you do have the freedom of not having to go after certain positions. But on the other side of the coin when you're picking it number twenty twenty-five here Beal G, and when you don't have specific positions where you had a real need. There's a million possibilities there. There are so many different ways that this team could go right now. But even though the even though the eagles do have a pretty stacked roster right now. I think there are some positions where they could prioritize here early in the. Graft. So I think we we've reached come up with a list of positions that we think should be priorities for this team as they get ready to draft in a couple of weeks. I'll let me start off with you though. What what are what are the main areas of need that you think this team needs to fill here in the draft this obesity to me, it's like a checklist. Like, ideally, I mean, obviously everyone's going to be like we want to take best player available. Yeah. Idea. Right. Right wanted to do that. But you can't do that. And you know, there's a tight end who's the best player. Bailable it literally every single turn your picking around and leave the draft with eight tight ends like no, we're not doing that. Obviously. Right. So there are certain things need does come into play to some extent at some point. And I think the number one thing for this team is to bolster the defensive line. It has to be this class is too talented in terms of the that's top-heavy in terms of what's not just top heavy. But there's a lot of talent at the top is what I'm trying to say, and it's also deep so I just feel like the combination of two things. It's. To deep, and it's too talented for them to not address the defensive line, and really that's defensive end or defensive tackle. I think you don't either spot they could really afford to add some youth that a defensive tackle you could argue out argue, maybe is the bigger immediate need because you have Letcher Cox and leak Jackson, you know, bullets. Not forget leak Jackson's kinda coming off down here in Jacksonville where he literally got benched at one point. And I think he'll be fine in the scheme. But still, you know, you want to add depth behind him. And even if there weren't any concerns about Lee Jackson, you still want to be able to rotate this defensive line. That's how they won a Super Bowl in two thousand in eighteen ultimately because they were able to have the strong defensive line rotation in led the league in total pressures generated in I think there's an opportunity quite clearly in the staff to get someone who they can add Elliott defensive line. That's again, that's how you won the Super Bowl. You invest in the trenches. I think the defensive line is just the obvious. First thing they have to do in this. Okay. So defensive line. And you're right. This is I think if everything we've been hearing is that for defensive tackles and addresses that it is a a tremendous draft at at those positions for me. I think my my first priority, and I hear what you're saying about the defensive line. But I feel like the eagles have some pretty good depth there right now. Derek Barnett coming back. And I think they are interested in seeing what Josh sweat has to offer. Obviously if you get if you get a big name guy fall to you at twenty five on the defensive line. They they've got to do that. But the area that concerns me a lot right now is what they're gonna do at left tackle. When Jason Peters is no longer part of the team next year and on the other side of the football with lane Johnson who again is a suspension away from being away from the team for a long time. And so for me, I think it's offensive tackle. I would be looking for an opportunity if there's an offensive tackle they really liked to move up a little bit even to get a to get somebody. Or if somebody falls to you at twenty five I would jump at the opportunity to take tackle that you feel. Ill may have the opportunity to take over for Jason Peters in two thousand twenty because I think I think we both agree. This is probably going to be Peter's last year unless he has a renaissance that we don't see common. These not getting any younger, and you don't wanna you don't wanna draft somebody next year and ask them to start at left tackle. And you don't wanna have to have Hala Hala pool of vita start for a season while another draft pick kinda gets revved up. So I think with one of their first three picks in the first two rounds. I would like to see the eagles go after an offensive tackle Eljay. But what position is number two for you? Well, it's interesting because that was actually number four on my list a little a little bit lower than you. If the right player is there at twenty five especially you get him. And I think that'd be great to do that. But in terms of immediacy like, I don't think it's so dire. And maybe I'm going to regret saying that just because Jason Peters is old and he gets hurt, but I just feel like with their current set-up. If JP can stay healthy. And he can just get the eagles through two thousand nineteen at that point big V is going to be a free agent after this year. So that's kind of a concern. If to keep that in mind, but like, maybe my Lada really is ready after this year at this point, you know, who have a couple years to learn the position to learn football entirely and to be ready. So, you know, it's kind of interesting if you take a tackle early on because that guy is also going to potentially be a developmental guy. Just in the sense that he's probably not going to be playing. And at that point. I don't hate it by means because if you're telling me that my Lada in a high traffic are going to be competing for over the left tackle job next year. I think that's great. I don't see you should just hand it to Jordan data by any means. I think you know, that's a position where you do want competition. So I don't dislike it just feel like you might be able to put it off another year. And I think that's kind of what the part of the goal is in bringing j p back like they did. So that's the only reason I put it. Down a little bit lower. But a number two on my list of things to accomplish my checklist. If you will is to find a third safety. I think they have to find a guy who can potentially be Malcolm Jenkins replacement because Malcolm takings turns thirty two this season. Rodney McLeod is going to be free agent after this year, and with Anderson Deo has contract we've talked about this before is. So that it currently qualifies against the eagles compensate pick formula. But if the cut him, I think they have until week ten, but if they cut him at some point before then ultimately than they can save that fourth round pick. So like, you don't wanna keep interest a hill on your roster. If you don't have to and you can save, you know, it's a fourth round pick. It's like a pretty decent pick. So I just think if you can get a really good third safety who can kind of come in and he can play the Corey Graham role this year, but actually better than Corey Graham, and hopefully no to do more than fifteen than I think because it address. An immediate need for that backup behind McLeod. Who's coming off an injury as well. Another concern Jenkins, and we'll get some playing time and next year potentially as soon as next year in twenty twenty you can either, you know, fill in for Ronnie McLeod or Malcolm Jenkins, depending on what happens at that position. So that'd be my number two. There's finding that cert- third safety maybe even play corner a little bit and help out there by distinct that initially to in the context of these needs. I wanna say like this is part of it's shaped up because of what talent we see available here. I think they're right safeties that I see available that makes sense. And this is why I think it's realistic goal for them in what they should do. Yeah. And I hear you. I I have safety on my list. But it's down at number four for me only because I feel like the eagles are the eagles have a guy in vantera Maddox who can play safety. They decide not to go with Syndey ho and I liked bounty Matic to cornerback as well. But I also think Syndey ho had a down year last year, but was very good in two thousand seventeen. I I kind of think they signed him to. Prohibit to play on the team. And so that's I mean, I think if you if you have one of the top safeties faulty at twenty-five like that zero Adderley kid from Delaware. No Chauncey Gardiner Johnson from Florida's a guy a lot of people like there's a couple of other guys too. I if they're they're twenty five and the eagles take him. I wouldn't have any qualms about that whatsoever. But I think it's something a position to go after in maybe the second round of the fourth round. But for me, it's number four on my list. But I do think it's an something. They should target here in the draft for me. And I'm probably I'm probably more like a sports radio call in caller with this desire. But I really think they need to pass catching running back in the draft. Bill. Gee, I wanna see this team get an infusion of youth. I know Jordan Howard is not an old player or anything like that. But he kind of runs like an old player. You know, what I mean, he doesn't have the electricity. He does he's kind of an old and old guy runner. And I would I would love to see this team draft running back early who can catch the ball out of the backfield. I love Duke Johnson. I love the idea of trading for Duke Johnson. And that may happen after the draft may happen. As part of the drafting, you know, some of these draft deals involved players once in a while wouldn't surprise me at all. But I also don't know that Cleveland is I know Duke Johnson's been talking about wanting to get traded from Cleveland, but you know, nobody's holding a gun to the Browns head to do it. I don't know that they are going to ship him out for peanuts. And so I I would love to see the eagle I think they could really use an infusion of young talent at the running back position. I'm not at all convinced that Corey Clement is gonna come back strong in two thousand nineteen again. Jordan Howard is a nice runner between the tackles. I think he'll score you some touchdown near the goal line. But I don't see a whole lot else out there that the eagles can add outside of do Johnson to give them an electric player behind Carson Wentz. And. I think that's really important. I think giving Carson Wentz. Some some help at running back is really important. And so I think for me a dynamic pass catching young running back. That'll be on this team for cheap for a number of years would be very very important. They're number two on my list. So you're number two. That's my number three. So I was debating flipping that with two, but I just feel like, you know, the way the value running backs. I kind of had to put it realistically a little bit down a little bit more. And these are these are my priorities, which I know a lot of times are out of line with what Howie Roseman will want to do. That's why I'm not the general manager of a football team be lots of reasons why I'm not many, but but also too because I feel like I think they can find a pass catching running back little bit easier than they could find in my case Leah defensive lineman, a really good one or an impact third safety as well. So yeah, for I I think that's an obvious one for this team as a whole some people coming out of the Jordan Howard trade. If were like, oh, we're setting out running back, and it's like, well, not really. And they the team clearly is. Indicating as much in my opinion, considering they're hosting guys. Like, Daryl Henderson Justice hill. And who else Josh Josh Jacobs? They're hosting these kind of mold of running back of these pests catchers, and you kind of like there's a precedent for the eagles kind of doing this in terms of their prejudge visits in that last year. They were hosting a ton of slot quarterbacks on pre visits, and guess what who the draft of onto Mannix Assad quarterback? So, you know, they kinda I think it's clear that they view that as a need still in its obvious to me that it is you can't just count on Corey Clement to come back and be that guy. First of all he's coming off injury. Second of all I know he showed some potential rookie. But that's also a couple of seasons ago now and before that like you never had this chock record as a pass catcher. So you can't dislike. Okay, we're fine. There. You just can't do that. And I think the opportunity to get a guy like Darrell Henderson. I think would be the perfect like lightning to Jordan Howard thunder. Like, I think that's a perfect complement right there. You have your power you have. Your speed your explosiveness. That's something they need. They need a dynamic element running back. And I think they can get one. And I think that brings value to the offense. Now, you wanna talk about the ios not always valuing running back position highly. I get that. But what they do value highly is the passing game and to have a running back who can contribute in that respect. I think it just makes everything better ole team better May's Carson Wentz better to give him that guy. His think about that. I mean like his Carson Wentz ever really had that kind of running back like reliable established proven pass catching running back. Like, no, am I missing someone out. I mean, you can say Darren sproles, but he's been hurt. So like the hasn't had a reliable guy to work with like that. And I think that's something eagles have kind of been targeting for a while. Now, I talked about it before I think you look at their rumored interest in Levy mbelle. I think ultimately they didn't wanna pay him. What he got clearly, but I think they went back like that who can contribute in the passing game. So I definitely think that is one of the top things to get out of this, Jeff and. My number three be LG here running back as your number three. I and again, I know this is completely different. From what the eagles are going to do. I understand one hundred percent that what I'm about to say flies in the face of the type of defense. The eagles wanna run, but I would love to see this team out of play playmaking linebacker in the draft. Now, this is a weak class for linebacking Devon, white Devon Bush junior, and that's pretty much it and the eagles would have to trade up to to grab one of those guys. I mean, if if one of those guys fell to the eagles at twenty five I would I would really love to see the eagles grab one of those guys because we saw as much as the eagles depend on the defensive line to get pressure on the quarterback and as much as they depend on the secondary to lockdown receivers and make plays in the secondary. The the linebacking corps was invisible for much of last season. And this this defense takes on a whole different look when they've got one of their linebackers playing you at a at a top level. I mean when Jordan Hicks was creating a ton of turnovers that was a big lift. For the defense. When Nigel Brad had to step in in the middle of two thousand seventeen in played effectively at middle linebacker that was a big lift for that team. And that doesn't get talked about a whole lot. Because the defensive line does have the big names. And that is where most of the resources were poured into the team, and I get I get it. They want to bowl doing that. But I think you know, I see this is a four three wide nine defense. You're and I wrote about this for bleeding green on nation dot com. This week talking about how I think the eagles should be focusing on on linebacker. You look at their depth chart. There's not much there. I mean, you have Nigel Brad m you have a comic Rouget hill. You have Nate Gary. And that's that's about it. And you know, they're only going to be in three linebacker twenty five percent of the time twenty-seven percent of the time. They're number two thousand seventeen I think was they played three linebackers and twenty seven percent of their defensive alignments. So it's mostly to linebacker three safety set. And I kind of get that's the world that we're living in right now. But I'm not at all I'm not at all convinced Nigel Brad is a good. Enough middle linebacker, and I'm not at all convincing Eljay fort is good enough to be the middle linebacker for this team. So if there's a if there's a again, if there's a linebacker that makes sense wherever the eagles are picking I think that is an area of need for this team. But I know that it's not lined up with what Howie Roseman or the rest of the eagles front office. Thanks bill. G put linebacker down at like six of the highest for me. So how about that? Not even the top five. It's definitely a position they still need to address in some way, you said it will there's no we don't even know who the starting middle linebackers is Apollo. I don't know that. That's just something we shouldn't count on. Right. That's good. If he can be a backup. Yeah. That's fine. But I don't think he'd just ideally want him starting. I mean, maybe Eljay fort is that guy we kind of don't know fully what the deal is there. I mean, they signed him to a three year five point five million deal as I've mentioned before on the podcast here. Our good friend might say for BGN alumnus. Obviously he had mentioned that he had heard something. About for being in the mix for no starting topper playing time. So we'll see how that goes to me. It's not a big concern. Like, you talked about John because Jim's words remember sitting in press conference that he was talking about last summer. Just he doesn't eat does not seem to really care about the linebacker position. Too much. Yeah. He wants guys he wants more safeties in defensive backs on the field as he can. No, he doesn't want more linebackers on the field because you know, it's just kind of the way the game is going as a passing league. And I just think that's kinda how values that ultimately. And so I I think they have to get someone probably on day three. I think that's probably where they will insulin at linebacker to kind of compete in there for the starting job that actually I wrote it down my list, I wrote get a linebacker who can hopefully or potentially compete for the starting job. So maybe draft that guy in the fourth round. No, I think back to Jordan next a third round pick. I think you can get a linebacker on day three and he could potentially compete for playing time with the likes of fort nor low. And Gary and Kamu and you saw Brad him. So I think that's kind of what the plan is there. That's my number six running up my top five, I guess would be addressed interior offense of line like they have to do that at some point. Because this Kelsey he might retire next year. He reportedly thought about retiring this year in Donald Jason Kelsey. What do you have? Yeah. Who's and D'amoto? Okay. If it's him that who starting at guard like you you have a hole in the offensive line is just so important. The trenches are so important. And I think Chelsea's value is almost like underrated in a way when you look back at like the last time, you know, he's missed playing time for significant periods of time like the team has gone in the whole it happened in two thousand twelve when ambulance four games like Kelsey got hurt early on the season and the team offense. Wind wasn't the same. You look at the saints game this year. Jason Kelsey gets hurt. Earlier in the game of the first one the regular season the rank forty seven now, I'm not just saying that's on him. But I think that. Like, there's something to that. Like he is a crucial component of this team. Yep. And just lose him is not a small deal at all. And we're clearly seeing that you will show some interest in some interior off Wyman in some guard prospects, so I think getting interior office Lyman who can kind of be like this year's Stephan was new sqi and kind of fill in or, you know, potentially competing with Matt prior for this kind of job, but you know, who can kind of be back up or you know, this year stance where MAC essentially one of their top to backup guards and then potentially fill in next year for Jason Kelsey or may be Malo whoever. And even in the short term this year. There's value in it because Brinda Brooks is coming off of that achilles injury. So maybe. Rickie, and maybe he starts right away for just a couple of games before Brooks is able to come back into the lineup. And you know, if it's a guy may be like Chris Lindstrom. Yep. He gets theoretically play at tackle too. 'cause he's done that before so probably not so more. So for its entire career. I don't know. But just a guy who can kind of give you that interior offensive line value there. I think that's kind of almost underrated need for them. Yeah. I agree with you. I think that is going to be that is going to be very the offensive line. At just I think it definitely has to be a focus for this team here during the draft. And for me number five was the defensive line bites safety at four defensive line is number five, and I would be completely happy. If they got a top defensive lineman at number twenty five overall again, like we're talking about if if all they're seeing is tight ends and Cornerbacks falling ten at twenty-five. They're probably going to trade down. They're not gonna just sit there and take the best available whoev-, whatever position it happens to be. It's hopefully going to be at one of the positions we've talked about. But I think you, and I would both agree. And this is what we're going to get into. Next after we take a quick break. 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But I think it's within reason to some extent, I don't think it's a small. I mean, I don't think it's a big percentage that and I don't think it's likely it happens. But I think there is some kind of sense does Benjamin Sola has previously talked about why and Oliver could fall you look at those kind of smaller defensive tackles who historically have been under under valued by the NFL. You saw with Geno Atkins. You see? With Aaron Donald Gregg Jarrett. I guess you could throw in there. These kind of guys who really offer a lot of pass rush juice. And I think Oliver's that guy. I think if he somehow follows within striking range, I don't know exactly where that is. Maybe it's like fourteen as high. I think that's about as high as the can reasonably go considering that I think they made a similar move that when they got Brandon Graham like kinda where they are now up until that range that you may be package a second in the fourth or whatever it takes to get up there. And I think it's possible. I don't think that's likely, but I think it'd be the probably the most realistic homerun addition they could get in this draft. The fact that you're adding at Oliver a guy who's just dominant on the interior next to Fletcher Cox in that rotation there with leak Jackson like that's just a lot of interior pass rushing inside there in that makes me feel very good about the upcoming season. If they could get him. Okay. So that's your number one option there. Who'd he got it. Who'd he got his your as your second your second choice, they're building. So number two would be. Christian wilkins. I think that's just the most realistic pick in terms of who could fall there that I think the Ulis would be in love with now. I don't think it's a guarantee you will follow us. There's no scenarios where he's going fourteen. I think that's popular pick for him to the falcons there. So I don't know that it's guaranteed. He'd get to the eagles pick. But I just think he'd sex a lot of boxes in. What makes sense for the eagles in just make sense in general for many teams like hiker guy national champion, obviously pedigree for whatever that's worth the production. Adding is good. He last year in he was second overall in terms of pass rush percentage for his position on the interior. So you know, he gives you that passers induce not just a run stuffing defensive tackle. He's versatile. He's played at multiple spots in the defensive line, everything you can say about Khorasan Wilkins, pretty much is good extremely high character guy high motor, and I know people don't like high motor thing. But it's not like he's a guy who is just a try. Hard guy. He's like talented any tries heart. So that's the perfect combination of what you want. So I just really Debbie really strong edition you add him again as a potential you don't necessarily have him the quote, unquote starter right away. That's fine. He's still going to be playing a lot of snaps in that defensive line rotation. So if you could get Christian Wilkins at twenty five it'd be great if you trade up a couple of spots for him also okay with that yummy knock on him in shutout to our good friend, Noah Becker, who has been hammering this allow for for a bit. Now does the fact that like he's kind of older for job prospect than he turns twenty four this year. I know that doesn't sound super old. But you know, some of these other rookies by comparison today during brunette still twenty two so. Consider it is a little bit on the older side. And you kind of wonder too when you're looking at his production in what he's done like how much is he like why is there a part of him that he's been better? Just because like he's older than some of these other guys facing? Yeah, I get that as a potential knock. But I think that's the only thing you don't love about him. Like, he's the thing with him is I don't think he's ever going to be elite. Like, I don't think he has that kind of like takeover potential like Fletcher Cox, necessarily by used to be a really darn good defensive tackle. And he's going to be able to generate a lot of pressure is going to be disruptive, especially in the scheme. So to me that's a pick really like in terms of one that's probably more realistic than Ed Oliver. Yeah. And I've seen in some mocks or he's going higher than I think it would even be possible for the eagles to to draft than in some Oxy's falling to the eagles and falling pass the eagles. He seems to be a guy that there's not a lot of there's no consensus on kind of where he's going to go here. Beal jay. So if you're going defensive tackle that would give. Where the eagles are picking. That would be a terrific terrific selection. Number three for you be Eljay threes, Cody Ford, the offense of tackle. And some people think you might be guard in the NFL from Oklahoma. I just think that dude is a beast. It's big his comparison on NFL dot com. Scouting report from Lancer, sir line is actually eagles right guard Brandon Brooks. So you know to add another player of that caliber if he can be that good for the eels on this offense of line. I dislike that a lot. I think you can potentially come in and play guard your one again, if let's say like Brandon Brooks isn't ready to play right away early in the season. Maybe throw Cody Ford out there. He starts for a little bit. He serves as a backup behind small. Oh, as well as smaller struggles unit convention, and which hopefully doesn't happen. But if it does not have the option there if you have a tackle injury vision of your starter. But then all of a sudden you have code afforded backing him up instead of literally no one. So or Jordan my ladder, you know, counting on him in year two. So I really just like the Patel. Title of putty Ford potentially being there, and then again, decent beaters retires. Maybe you move lean Johnson over to the left side. Or maybe you're just fine. Keeping Cody Ford at left tackle. I I really liked that essential to add to their. I just think, you know, protecting Carson Wentz very very important thing for this team. And if you can do that, and you can get Cody Ford, I like that pick. Yeah. And I think he checks off a lot of boxes for the eagles too. Because you're like you said he can play multiple positions on on the on the defensive on the offensive line was reading some things about him today to he kind of has a little bit of a mean streak to him. It's a lot of regard. So you certainly don't mind that and I think just some some of the weaknesses that he showed us a little bit in in pass protection. But I think, you know, again, those are the kinds of things that that you can coach up at the NFL level and Jeff stout lend. I mean from from what I've heard too also Jeff Staten Island really likes him. I think he's been talking about him quite a bit. So that would be an interesting selection at number twenty five as well. Number four for you, UB L. Number four is dense. Life's favorite player. Probably one of them for number twenty five that is Cianci Gardner Johnson c g j as I will henceforth hopefully, rents reference him the four to safety slash nickel. Horner very versatile player. He makes sense in that role. As I said earlier guiding of come in and be a rotational player right away a play multiple positions in the secondary. And then ideally eventually take over as a full time starter in the secondary as a safety moving forward. So if you can get him, and I think he'll be there. Twenty five it's interesting because I was talking to Ben and Ben obviously has some like pretty high at think he hasn't fifteen I think just hasn't meta teen too. But yeah, some other players that are higher, but we'll talk about later on in the future, podcast episodes unison, the com-. So stay tuned for that. But yeah, so I think you can get a guy like that. I see where the fit makes sense you're in the short term and. The long-term these guy who makes plays on the ball. That's like the eagles could certainly use some more of that. And if like if you're going to be one of these mock drafters giving the eagles quarterback like can you at least give them one who can also play safety like that. What makes more sense here? And I think that's if I think that's possible or that actually in my mock draft round up from last week Chauncey Gardner Johnson was actually the most popular pig in last week's roundup. He had four month. Jess being slotted to the eagles. And that was more than anyone else. So that one's kinda gaining steam here late in the process yen. There was a lot of Nasiri Adderley early. But you're right. It seems that CJ is kind of taken over as not the darling necessarily of of of the mock drafts for the eagles. But certainly like you said getting a little bit of momentum and your number five pick for the number twenty five overall selection for the eagles be Eljay will the Josh Jacob stands. This one because he's not number five. I put Adderley at number five kind of just picking piggybacking off of everything I said there with Transi Gardner Johnson symphony argument pretty much for him distinct. You DJ's versatility low bit more and playmaking skills. But I think maybe steak has number six for me. I omitted top five year, but as kissed in slow, I kind of talked about on this show. Again, there's the sentiment you know, that there is a appreciation of Jacob's in the eagles in certainly know they brought him in for visit. There's been rumors that they really like him. I just can't think he's going to be the most popular target for them from the US perspective at number twenty five, but I still don't rule it out completely as we talked about earlier in the show you need that pass catching running back. And it'll be interesting to see where Josh Jacobs goes if not the oils, and what rounding goes on maybe falls into the second league are able to trade backup from I always talk about how everyone was so sure that Delvin cook was going to go. Oh in the first round in two thousand seventeen some people thought he might not even make it to the you'll speak at fourteen I think that year and all of a sudden, you know, he falls into the second round. And sadly as looking like deals are going to get him until the Vikings traded up. So maybe unadjusted gives is that player this year who the are able to get a little bit lower than expected. That'd be nice. But yeah, I think I would put him maybe at number six if we're talking about let me ask you this. If the if there is nobody at number twenty five like if there's no defensive lineman that they like our offensive lineman or safety at number twenty five that they like and running back is sitting there for them to do you think that they honestly will take a running back like Josh Jacobs at number twenty five or do you think they would trade down because they simply just don't believe in taking a running back in the first round trip down. I think there's some thought there that they just they just won't do it. I mean, they haven't even taken running back in the he Rosamund era what before fifth small would. I think I think that like Sadie was second. But that was. Before how he's official before officially stepped up into the role. He kind of is that GM role. So yeah, I just I there's no track record of it. Really? I just I can't see it. I think the way you look at how eagles are such an inlet cly driven organization, and they want a Super Bowl being one of those by the way, they just I just think that kind of goes hand in hand there where you know, you look at these in a local studies that suggest running back in the first round just is almost never worth it. I think you know, the interesting part there is like where it's cut off. So you can take a running back at thirty three. But you can't take him thirty two because it's still in the first round the patriots. Who are also I would say very politically driven. Now, they took a running back at thirty one last year Sony, Michelle so and there was talk of the eagles really likes, Tony, Michelle. So maybe if he mid thirty two and didn't get picked at thirty one. Maybe they wanna take him said a trade them. I don't know. So I don't rule it out completely again that keep saying that I can't totally dismiss it. But I just I think they would trade down. Yeah. I get that feeling too. I I would you know, if they don't have if if if they don't have a Chris Lindstrom sitting there, or if they don't have a Christian Wilkins or Chauncey gardener Johnson or Naseer Adderley or something. They for some weird reason they're all gone and all that's left is to take one of the top running backs. I don't think they take them at twenty five. I I agree with you. I think they moved down and they wait to take a running back in the second round. I don't know that I would agree with that. I'd probably be upset. But you know, I love to see them take Josh Jacobs at number twenty five if he's sitting there, and they don't have any defensive line options that they like, but I agree with you. I I don't think that they've valued that that position. And I don't think there's anybody in the draft that they love that much to take it number twenty five maybe I'm wrong, and and they'll they'll take them there. But I agree. I think I think they'll move down. So here's the thing for you, John that I wanna throw earlier this week. Peter King did a quick on a non mock draft wasn't so much mock draft. As what the thought teams should do. I guess, but he's still said like he he talked teams here. So he earth not necessarily teams would he he said he with some education gleaned from calls to those who know is how he okay. So kind of like there was some kind of inside information he had ill selecting Hollywood Brown Rocky's Brown at number twenty five which is pretty that catches my interest a little bit because like maybe Peter King doesn't really know what he's talking about. And this is silly season. There's so many rumors out there. I can't say he knows this for sure. But in the past Peter King has been onto some of the eagles intentions. I look back at last year when he had written in his 'em QB column at the time before the draft that ills were hellbent on trading down. And that wasn't a shocker we kind of already knew that anyway. But like he was saying it pretty definitively. And I also think back to in the past where Peter King was like pretty sure he's one. The only people that had you'll slipping Denny Washington's the year they did. So I feel like, you know, he's in the note to some extent. So it just kind of made me a little bit curious when I saw marquees Brown's theme pop up there you make anything of that. Yeah. I mean, I guess so if it's he's plugged in. I guess he's hearing that for a reason. But it, you know, the eagles just got a guy just traded for a guy who's very much like marquees Brown and to Sean Jackson. But of course, to Sean it's not gonna be around forever. He signed a three year deal. I if you if you're drafting a guy like that, you're pretty much, you know, telling MAC Holland's that he doesn't have much of a future with the team at this point. I mean, I don't know that he would supplant mccollum's necessarily. But you're not drafting you're not you're not drafting Hollywood with the idea of not making a major part of your wide receiver rotation moving forward in two thousand twenty two thousand twenty one. So that when I just, you know, I don't necessarily buy it. I think it doesn't seem like a fit. I love the I. Idea of adding a speedy playmaker. I just would love to see that guy out of the backfield. I think this particular year if they hadn't signed to Sean Joe or traded for Sean Jackson, obviously, I'd be all over this. You know, I think that'd be a no brainer. But at this point. Yeah, I'm with you. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It's a guys more plugged in than I am. So I'm not going to tell the guy's wrong. But it doesn't pass the sniff test for me up next. Speaking of crazy stuff Peter Schrager from the NFL from the NFL network. Good morning football mentioned something about the eagles in the draft that I had to do a triple take. When I first heard it. Rick took gonna talk about that. And then quickly answered the question what we think is the best draft pick in eagles history. That's up next right here on ESPN radio. Everybody to sell at chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge past my friends, Paul Miller, indeed bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle. That causes us to have a wide variety of feelings. The can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred and six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything in tech. News virtue is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. And we're back on radio. So Beal, gee, I could not believe it when I heard this. I was surfing around NFL dot com. The other day, I think it was yesterday. I was looking around NFL dot com. And always today it was this afternoon while I was at work, and I'm not doing work, which the bosses aren't listening, but I was goofing around on NFL dot com. And I came across a video from a good morning football segment where they were talking about teams that they thought could move into the top five of the draft the top five one of the first five picks in the NFL draft. And most of the most of the panelists were mentioning teams, you know, like the dolphins and teams like the giants who could move, you know, a couple of spots from just outside five into the top five and Peter Schrager comes on and says, I think it could be the eagles and the entire panel reacted in shock because the eagles are picking twenty-five. I don't see how they get into the top five overall. But he mentioned something about. The eagles having the twenty fifth overall pick and a ton of third round compensatory picks. And he thinks that Howie Roseman is just lying in the weeds ready to jump into the top five and and take like a stud defensive player or something like that. It was total speculation on his party. I don't think he was plugged in. Or has any any notion that the eagles are going to do something like that? But Beal g two things first how crazy is this and second could they even pull it off if they wanted to give and what they have. I don't see how they have the ammo to do it the they wanted to. But again this thing where I talked about, you know, you could take all of your money that you have and go to Taco Bell. And by like as much taco, bows, possibly you can do that is an option you can do that. You're not going to do that. Because it's not a good decision. I think deals ten if they really wanted to. But who is that player is at Oliver like, I don't think Oliver, I think he's really good. But I I don't think he's that good. I don't think he's that good. Where your darkened some concerns him in in the sense of being a little bit under size or having shooter arms or not having the best college production in terms of sacks. I don't think you just give up the farm get him. Because what if he gets hurt? You know what I mean? Like, okay, he gets hurt. And then what doing that is risky in an also gonna flies in the face of Jeffrey, Larry at the owners meetings talking about how now we believe believe picking in volume because we believe that no one's really good at drafting players as in the whole, theoretically Agnone really actually good at the draft over time. It's kind of just a crap shoot. And in order to kind of increase our chances at success need more picks. Now, I think so I believe that part. And I almost there's a part of me that believes okay? The heels are thinking about the future, you know, for as much as they're kind of doing some short term moves in free agency in adding some older guys in kind of pushing the chips in a little bit to win now in the especially with the way, they're manipulating the salary cap. The does a part of me there that kind of believes the. Is for the future kinda like disorders, kind of two different competing. Ideologies year kind of trying to balance it out like they're trying to win now and also trying to make sure they can be competitive in the future. None the same. I also have a thought this part of me that link inside that's telling me that the is going to be aggressive because they do see a window to win right now. With Carson Wentz still as right now stones rookie contract. And they have this window in front of them that maybe it's time to get little bit aggressive, and if you feel like you can make Super Bowl run this year that you need to get a difference maker. And maybe that guy is unexpected or unexpectedly to us. I guess available. Maybe that when Williams falling further than expected in their adding him like another stud in there in the defensive line. I think that's what it would have to be. If it did happen again. I just don't think it is going to happen. Sugars point that harassment is lying in the weeds. Do anything is available. But I don't think it's this much and more on the top. It almost makes me think of something. I saw Dan grassy on oh. From ESPN app. Put out this week about how like deals he didn't necessarily say a source, sir. Rumor he kind of just said there is speculation. So to me that kind of means like anyone could be saying that if the speculation that that's what speculation is vice speculate on something, you can say that there is speculation out there, right know, if this is him like reporting something or throwing something out there that he heard, but he had said that goes could be aggressive in trading up. But he said for an office of tackle, which like that doesn't make sense if these are going to be aggressive for trading in trading up because they think they have a window to win this year. Like, they're taking offense a tackle might not even play. So I don't know. It's kind of weird again this is silly season. There's so many rumors out there if I liked Peter show your nothing against him. But it's entirely possible. Like, this is just you know, trying to make for good TV in our good internet where you're just like throwing something out there off the wall. And it's not totally baseless. But it's probably not gonna now. On my attention. And I think that was the the intended purpose. But yeah, no, I agree with you. It's a very very unlikely one couple things, but we finish up here. Beal, gee, I think it's a good time to take a look back at eagles pass drafts. And you know, they this team has drafted solo many players over the years and they've gotten some phenomenal value late in some rounds. But they've also had some early round picks during the course of their history just play out magnificently. And so I wanted to get your thought as to who you thought was the best draft pick in franchise history. And I I came up with to have one two three four five six names here for you. So let me know what you think who you think is the best draft pick an eagles history, and you can make this determination. However, you want it doesn't have to be based on value. It could just be based on the best player that they've ever taken and whatever. All right. So we got Brian Dawkins who was a second round pick number sixty one overall in one thousand nine hundred six hall of Famer I'm one of the best defensive players in team history. Leshan McCoy was a second round pick in two thousand nine number fifty three overall Seth Joyner was an eighth round pick number two. Oh, eight overall in one thousand nine hundred eighty six and then a Buddy Ryan in the following round. The ninth round got CLYDE Simmons with pick number two hundred thirty three again with a ninth round pick. We don't go that deep anymore in one thousand nine hundred in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven the eagles selected Wilbur Montgomery with the sixth round with a sixth round pick number one fifty four overall. And then in nineteen seventy-one the eagles got Harold Carmichael for a seventh-round pick number one sixty one overall be Eljay. So I mean, obviously in some of these cases there were some fewer teams in the league. So these these rounds went just a little bit further. But I mean when you're talking about number two, oh, wait for Seth Joyner. Number two, thirty three for CLYDE Simmons. One fifty four Montgomery one sixty one for Carmichael this is late in the draft. And you're getting some stud players here in your mind. What was the best draft pick in eagles history to let's say one that you didn't list. Please. Do I wanna say Nick foles? I don't think it's him. It's kind of a weird situation. You know, considering he was drafted by the team. But then they traded him and then he signed back to the free agent. So like, it's a weird thing to consider him like either way a draft pick or read probably should have considered it as yeah. I I didn't I totally blanked on foles. I should have considered that one. But I don't think I'm going to say him. I'm going to say one that is. So the people are gonna roll there is some people I instruct Ben Eric I think he is the greatest deal traffic while time I overall pick in the nineteen forty nine NFL draft. I believe it is the they won their first championship because of Chuck beckoned, Eric, and he was a legendary player you can make your case him as the like definitive. Philadelphia eagle are the you know, Brian dolphins obviously gonna hold that mantle in the modern era, but for him this lasting legacy of concrete Charlie in for him to be on that. Killed in a big reason why you know, playing both sides of the ball in their first championship game. The first championship win to me. It's him. I think that's totally fair. Call at a totally fair call. But for me, I think it's I think it's going to be Dawkins. You know, I just with the impact hall as a hall of Famer the impact that he had on the modern era of of eagles game. I think you know, the Lynch pin of the defense for outside of winning a Super Bowl the greatest run of success. This team's ever had under the under Andy Reid. I you know, it's for me. I think it's I think it's doc in the second round. But I can't argue with Bednarik I couldn't if somebody had said foles, I couldn't argue with foale's, and I could make an argument for every one of the players maybe except for Leshan McCoy that I had on this list. But and you know, what, you know. I didn't mention Donovan McNabb. But that was a controversial pick obviously with Ricky Williams in the mix. But also the fact that of all the quarterbacks taken early when it Kili Smith one Donovan. Cnet to. No, it was Tim couch to couch, Tim couch. One McNabb to achilles. Smith three. I mean, they had they had some all kinds of different options there and the eagles took the right guy. Like there were like, I forget how many. I don't know. Right. I know exactly. But that was like they had so many options at quarterback in that draft and only one of them panned out and it was McNabb. And that was the guy I wanted all along. I was not one of the Ricky Williams brigade. I was I was going. I was not among the dirty thirty. No, I was I was extremely happy that they got McNabb because I was kind of a big Syracuse guy when he was playing. So anyway, the lots of every team you could go through every teams list of draft picks and come up with arguments for four or five different players based on where they were taken how good their stats were the success. The team had while they were there, but kind of a fun discussion to finish things off here. Beal g the eagles announced their two thousand two thousand nineteen preseason schedule. Looks like the eagles are going to start things off playing. The titans at home followed by a matchup with Nick foles in Jacksonville in week two of the preseason. There will be a little bit of hype around that one even for a preseason game. Baltimore at home for the third game. And the jets away once again to finish off the preseason. Obviously. I think the game not even for a preseason game. People are going to be interested. In is the eagles going down to Jacksonville to play their old, buddy. Nick foles. Beal jay. That game as disaster potential ridden. Wins like ego out there for I don't know he can attempt like five passes and one of them early. Maybe there two or three of them are incomplete or there's interception like whatever it's preseason. And Nick foles like there was a touchdowns all foes better than it's like, you just know that's going to be all over Twitter sports radio. And it will be ridiculous. If it happened. So not looking forward to that. I really need Carson to play well in game in false did dispeat-. Okay. Yeah. That would be better for everybody because it is going to be a big topic of conversation. And I the preseason schedule came out this week. And I'm a big, you know, me I love the NFL. I love football. But when the preseason schedule comes out and people start talking about it. I really roll my eyes, man. I just can't I just can't with the preseason schedule. But this year on this year's preseason schedule. At least there's something very interesting this Nick foles Carson Wentz eagles Jaguars. They're not gonna meet in the regular season this year. So this'll be our chance to see. Nick in another team's uniform. And it'll be in a fake game. Thankfully, and the starters are probably only pay play a quarter and a half or something like that. Anyway. So it'll mostly be kind of looking at them with their baseball caps on on the sidelines. So any final thoughts Beal G as we wrap things up here for episode number forty five one thing we didn't talk about in our needs or checklist or whatever is wide receiver. That's one position. We didn't really talk about so much other than the Hollywood Brown stuff. And to me, it continues to be interesting. How does are hosting these bigger slot receiver types on redraft visits? Look at that. You'll Harry coming in for a visit you look at AJ Brown coming in for. Visit Paris Campbell came in for visit and now as of Thursday, the are hosting ceiling her from Baylor who actually used to play running back, but he's like six foot five big another big slot type guy. So it's just like what are they doing at the slot receiver position? They have Nelson who are here. Making nine point four million this year the early gonna trade him before this season. Are they just the looking at these receivers because they're looking for is potential replacement next year because galore even if he's with the team this year seems unlikely they'll be back after this year. I'm this. I'm really intrigued by that. Maybe it's a smokescreen. Maybe it's nothing. I don't know though. It's kinda like in the back of my mind here. I think the or trade possibility is one of those things kind of like lingering out there still that we don't flee know his future. So that's kind of something that's on the back of my mind as we proceed here. 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Steelers Brunch With Tony, Part 2: A selfless JuJu outweighs stats for the Steelers

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Steelers Brunch With Tony, Part 2: A selfless JuJu outweighs stats for the Steelers

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Take Some questions on this part of the show. And the. Next thing I. wanted to get into was the my my article about Juju Smith Schuster in his selflessness. And I think a lot of people got the wrong way I think a lot of people were were they read the headline and I thought Oh he he's he thinks that we meaning of fans what Jude you to be a diva. Off trying, to get out. But I was trying to say is if you if you watch how people respond online things, it's almost like they want to be. Angry about something. I always. I always get these whenever I read a controversial a article about something. People are saying, why do we have to read read this kind of stuff? Why? Why don't you focus on the good things and then you write a positive article and? It gets no no, no traction but you ready a negative article and people are all over it. No matter what the topic is a top it could be a topic that they claim. They don't. They don't WanNa talk about. So my point Jew is. He has he's given no indication up to now I mean the story through the first five games he's even though he's ca basically there leading receiver. Chase. Klay. POLSTON. Getting all the attention because he's been. So productive ESPN thirty, five yards, six touchdowns I mean he's the. He's a major candidate for rookie of the year offense Brooklyn Year, but I don't know how they divide that up but he's definitely a candidate for that award. And so people are just waiting for for Smith Schuster to. To turn into this diva like Antonio Brown was like a a lot of receivers have have that kind of behavior over the years and like my my my thought was what why are you waiting for that? He's given no indication. So far during his career that he's anything but a team guy. And Yeah. He I know he annoys people a lot with his. With his social media stuff. That was a fun thing in two thousand, seventeen hours. Go My God why this guy doesn't get ahead. It's kind of a lot of people still love that but a lot of people have. Gotten off of that bandwagon now use that as a way to criticize. So but he's always been a team player and and I think I wide receiver receiver deavere no diva. You know. Isn't a no win situation because If. He doesn't produce people like aren't you you? You're producing you win all this money. This is a big contract, but you're not producing. I don't you don't deserve that kind of money. But if he gets mad, he's not. A major focal point of the offense people saying they say he's being selfish. You know. But my my question is why wouldn't? Why why would why wouldn't any receiver want to be productive like that's what you do. That's what you. At your number, one job is produced and if you're not producing if they're not like I used to play football and I sucked. I still wanted to get the ball all the time and if I if I wasn't a focal point of my quarterback, if he wasn't looking at me like running down with my. Mouth like put out a flair to get his attention. You know. I get mad. So why wouldn't? A player of juice. Caliber not want the ball you know, and if he's getting double teamed in triple team in opening things up for other receivers. Great. You know I mean that's that's great but I'm. Assuming he's pretty. At least internally, he's frustrated by not getting the ball and he should be frustrated by that because that's that's what receivers. Do. They catch the ball, and if they if you're not doing that, you know I mean. I laugh like when I think back to the nineties I I'm watching these games now because retro show and. Players like like Mark Bruener who was everyone? Pick tight end Charles Johnson it was number one pick a receiver. I forgot about this. You know it had to refresh my memory, but those guys they came in and and cower used as like. A offensive live in practice he was. So into running the football, they had your own Beddis and. That kind of thing and every year when Mark Bruener was basically a a two. Offensive Linemen and Charles, Johnson, you know like I remember watching a a sports segment where they did nothing but highlight his blocking and I'm sure they didn't come into the NFL thinking ooh, I wanna be a blocker you know and probably wanted to be pro bowl receiver appropriate tight and pro receiver. So you know I don't think we should fall. A receiver for for being frustrated with not getting the ball I. I've heard Magic Johnson say this I've heard Terry Bradshaw status and he. Any athlete that says, he doesn't care about his stats is lying they all want to produce went have stats yet they wanna win but you know. They don't want to be the bystander to they don't want to be. On the outside looking in where everybody else is producing and they're just They're just one of the guys I mean they everybody wants to feel like they're contributing you know. I. Think, we want them again to circle back want them to be team players. We also want to criticize him and they don't produce so. I thought I meant by that article is is we shouldn't sit around waiting for for Juju to turn into a diva. If he does he does but. But after up to now, we we haven't seen any indication that he's Kinda Guide. So That's pretty much all I wanted to say about that and. Now, I wanNA talk a little bit about the titans and I'll take some questions and what a game this is shaping up to be five in over five. No. I seventy five, hundred since nineteen, seventy, eight. I didn't even care about football back then. I used to see the united way commercials were they would show highlights have Su- ball ten. I think. between the steelers in the cowboys and I was. So in the Star Wars, you can start was big in those days of course when I was five, six, seven years old five, six years or whatever I was. And I was conditioned to believe that anybody wearing white was too good. Guy Anybody dressed in black because the DARTH vader was the bad guy. So I used to root for the cowboys when I would I would see highlights that's how. That's how little I cared about the steelers back or football in general so That's a that's a long time anyway, Fred? I get it. It's important that I bring up this five dollars super check question Dave Shipley, and thank you for the British nation. Dave here's what he has to say. Do what you do. You're a great writer, an awesome host lane on A. QB with Nelson's thought again, that's That's back Devin Bush. That's one of the. One of the many ways 'cause Mike Helton will is not playing on Sunday and he's a valuable member of that defense. He'll be out and he you know he's a he's great. The scrimmage obviously great blitzer and he's great in run support so. In addition to Devon Bush are gonNA be missing. Missing. Mike Helton who has a shoulder injury? So that's GONNA be It'll be interesting to see how the defense response but but back to the to the to the steelers and titans. I have no. no doubt that the steelers are gonNA score points I really do think you're GONNA put up a lot of points. At the titans defense really isn't isn't that great The only have six or seven. Seven. Sacks all year didn't really put much pressure on a quarterback a give up like twenty six points a game twenty, eight points damn something like that. So. I think you could score on them and. They have come. Butler. But they don't have really many many playmakers on that defense so. I think you can exploit them underground and through the air, but they take the football away a lot. So ball-control. It's going to be. Going to be key, you know as far as stopping their offense. I mean Derrick Henry The two tight ends, AJ Brown receiver antenna helps a really good quarterback I mean he has. Thirteen touchdowns and only two interceptions they only they've only turned the ball over three times through five games. So it's GonNa be a tough game. It's going to be a tough game I think obviously the key and. Here's another Duh comment from me but he's stopped Derrick. Henry. which you know. I'm I'm confident that they can I. Don't think he's GonNa get two hundred yards like he did last week against the who they played a Texans. But I think he's GonNa. He's. He's GonNa have have have have have a pretty decent day will be enough to beat the steelers. I have a feeling the titans are GonNa win this game. But. Nothing would shock me I mean I've been saying we could I think I think Pittsburgh's going to lose but I mean. steelers throughout history both Bill Cower and Mike Tomlin. Have Wendy's kind of games. So that wouldn't shock me if they no, no outcome is going to shock me either way. So. I think it's it's an exciting match matchup that we get A. Few fans. This year going to get A. Fan of any we're air going to get experience a to undefeated football teams. In October going at it so You know it's not going to be the end of the world if they lose but you know I wouldn't declare them super bowl champions either if they won. But. You know it's just my advice is history. Enjoy. 'cause he's your leisure rare. Awesome matchups. So I mean you know back in two thousand four, I watched the steelers beat up on the Patriots and the Eagles and back to back weeks. They're both undefeated. They came to town back-back weeks with undefeated records and Pittsburgh just beat him up but. Those are the teams to play each other in the super. Bowl. So You know it's it's only one game. It's not it's not A it's not a playoff game, but it is an exciting. It's an exciting match up to have at the end of October so I'm looking forward to it. So with that, I will end the show but the final ten minutes taking some questions and here's a comment from Shipley. Forty seventeen is that. four, two steelers. Wow. That would be quite the Quite, the development sure we would. All would all sign up for that? Here's what here's a comment from Ezra. Sam Darnold backup in twenty twenty, one, I know there's been a recent. US quarterback curse but. Can Ball. The jets are in in contention for. For the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes being being that they are winless so far. So a front runner and even they drafted Darnell pretty highly in two thousand eighteen pretty high in two thousand eighteen. Things haven't quite worked out, but I remember Sam Darnold was kind of like. Trevor Lawrence of college football and and everybody. Wanted wanted. His services so I think it's it's I'm not sure if I'm if I'm the jets I I realized that a Trevor Lawrence is an exceptional talent but. From the jets you invested high in a in a quarterback, you know I think you, you owe it to him to surround him with talent I think bringing Trevor Lawrence into that mess and expect him to be any much better than Sam Darnold I. Think you're you're only fooling yourself but I, mean if the steelers can get their hands on Sam Darnold? Somehow. Hey. You know you're looking for Ben's heir-apparent. He's going to retire at some point you might as well just is take as many flyers on players as you can. I mean they Mason Rudolph they. Drafted him in a third round hoping that he would possibly be that guy who knows. Maybe he'll still be that guy they brought back Josh Dobbs. They had a half a year with Devon Hodges in twenty, one, thousand, nine, hundred so. Who knows there's been talk about. Them training for Dwayne, Haskins, at some point which I don't I mean again. I don't you know people are. Are. Are Worried about the parents have been and if they get Sam Darnold here. Great they get Dwayne Haskins in here. Great but. My opinion is always been. They're gonNa Find Ben. Sira. Parent when Ben Retires and not if they stumble upon him before that. Great but I don't think they're act- actively really going to. To make a sacrifice a whole lot to find that guy now if they can get Sam Darnold for a for a song if they can get Dwayne Haskins for a song. Great but other than other than the proverbial flyer I don't. I don't see them making a concerted effort to get. To get, Ben's Air parents. He's GonNa. I joke last week that people have been wanting. steelers groom a successor to Ben for like ten years I mean that guy would be in his thirties now and probably pretty angry if he was still on the bench behind Ben so. Anyway. Let's see what else we have here. Here's a comment from mule skinner. Go sorry about that. The dolphins were won't regret that decision to make to other starter. I, mean, yeah they're contending but. Is Ryan. How are they going to go anyway right I mean I realize Ryan Fitzpatrick fits magic. Is is off to a great start, but this is this is this is his mo he has great stretches and then he fizzles out. And their future is to a and and you know the sooner you get a quarterback like that in the lineup, the better I think I think you WanNa you WanNa throw him in people think. It goes back to grooming people think Oh. Let let them sit on the bench and learn but I think in most cases you're better off putting a young quarterback in their letting him grow with the team. You know I I realize it's been a struggle for Sam Darnold, but not everybody's going to have. That tough of a situation as as Sam Darnold was having right now I think the dolphins are a much better team if they can grow if two of them grow with them, then great I think that's what you have to do i. think that position is so important and if you're talking about, for example, getting rid of a Sam, darnold just three years after after drafting him that shows you how important it is. To get that position, right so The sooner they can find out about. The better and plus he's left handed so I'm sorry mule but I'm a lefty. I gotTa root for the Guy. I want him in there. You know I I don't think there's there are any in the NFL right now other than him so We'll see what happens with that. Grooming work for homes he was. Home just this is I'm sorry I I I'm. I'm talking about a comma grandma. Highlighting it let's Go find that from steelers Pittsburgh. Grooming work from homes mahomes was going to be good if he would've started from day one, he just happened to be behind Alex Smith but but if he would've started from from day one. He would have been great he he did not. He's not a great quarterback because he sat on the bench for your he's Great. quarterback is he's a great quarterback. Says my opinion anyway. Here's one from Ryan Chess. Tony do you think with health now? We see Sean Davis on defense I I would hope so I think the inactive have. Announced yet, but I think you have to. You have to reinforce that the secondary with as much talent as you can, and Sean. Davis has a lot of experience. So I. Think he'd be a valuable asset for them. I realize he hasn't played a whole lot this year, but he's played in their system for he played in your system for four years. Prior to this year he really hasn't listed beat with the he just missed offseason. Until the signed with Washington in Washington come always back so. I think you have to at least have active I realized Sutton is going to be the the slot corner in someone mentioned Justin, lane is being able to maybe play somebody outside. Hey, if dressing lanes ready great I. Hope I hope I. Hope he is. He's he's part of their futures a former third round pick so Let's see here. Here's one from Donald. Nolan can highlight that question for Tony, what happened Friday show so I don't think they're doing those anymore I think. Well. They're doing them but I think they're taping them. Audio only and I think the touchdown with under show is taped on Friday for Saturday, but that could be wrong I. I'm not sure but but we we always have content available on Fridays I don't think we have it on Youtube we just have it on on the audio platforms so. I think that's that's that's why I know Lance was was doing Friday shows. But but but he he left a while ago so. They I think touchdown under show sort of took its place but. They do audio only they they do that. They take that in Australia nate and they do it. Like twelve hours ahead of us. So I I. Don't think they can really do a live show. So that's why I think that's the that's what they're doing but but I'll look into that more for you. Here's one. Here's a comment from Donald Nolan. Lane. Played outside last week against the browns Nelson moved to slide for that play. Well, there you go. There you guys. So hopefully that's. That's A. Here's a here's a comment from my friend Terry T. Money Aaron Rodgers Brett farve always nice to have an heir apparent in in today's quarterback economics. Yes that's true but that's only. That's a good point area but that's only one winner. There's only a few examples of that. Usually you don't you don't get that lucky. I mean they have to have an Aaron Rodgers. Replace a Brett Farve I mean that's the dream. That's the dream I. Mean You you you Steve Young replacing Joe Montana. Yeah I mean that would be great. I mean I if they hey. If they can, if they can find a guy like that before Ben Leaves. I'll sign my name and blood, but it's just it's just the chances of that happening are pretty slim I again, I think. I think diminish Ben retires they're just GONNA they're gonna find his heir apparent. Put them in there like like dolphins are doing with two and see what happens. Here's A. Here's a another one from Donald. Is weightman opponent of this week I think it's going to be Jordan Berry. I think they're just waiting from the cleared, the the Kobe Protocol. I. THINK THAT'S What the deal is and then I think he's GonNa sign. You were supposed to sign on Saturday from what I read and I think he'll be. He'll be in their era on. Sunday. That's that's my guess. but but you never know how these things can go. Honestly. I don't really I. Mean I've seen the steelers win the super bowl with with metric in polar earn stir as their punters neighbor. Horrible. And then the seventies Bobby Walden was there for the first couple of super bowls and he wasn't that great and then I've seen not even make the super bowl with really great punters like Like Harry newsome entity, A. Longtime fans remember him or Josh Miller was the greatest steel I've ever seen. They never made a super bowl with him so. I mean, obviously it putting important but it's not it's not like. Critical in the grand scheme of grand scheme of things I mean. You know. I it's just Dustin Colquitt was a fifteen year vet and they signed him and nobody batted an I I? mean running back the second you reaches the age of twenty five people are ready to send out the pasture so. I think if it's not Jordan Barrier Weightman it'll be somebody else you know so. Here is. If I can find a few more. Then, I will call it a day. It's been a fun show. Here's a comment from B Williamson. About joined Berry, he's slated to play I. think he is. And See, take a more find some new ones here. As. Here's a prediction from Ezra. Although Pittsburgh twenty six run-and-shoot seventeen effects if you're referring to tomorrow's game but I don't think the the. Great thing about the the Titan where I think the steelers might be okay with. Even other missing Devon abortion. Mike. Helton is a really straight up traditional offense. They really just you know a lot of two tight end sets Ya. They they don't try to fool you. I mean they. You know what you're getting with. You're getting a lot of Derrick Henry. Mike Mike Tomlin said in his press conference on Tuesday. Yeah. They're going to punch the mouth so. But you know I think the steelers? Can. Contain him and they're gonNA missing I spent so much time talking about Devin. Bush and his. His loss, but they lost their best lineman offer lineman. They're left tackle Taylor Luanne Luanne he left knee. Andrea ending the eastern he's out for the year with a season ending knee injury. So They're going to be scrambling to replace him so Maybe. That's how it maybe that's how. Bud the. Pre Feasts tomorrow eat says they say nowadays maybe he he takes advantage of that of that. Whoever they haven't left tackle so. You're dealing with some issues too. So I think you know the steelers can. Can Score points against Tennessee the the question is. Can they slow down Derrick Henry and tight ends and AJ Brown and can get their Ryan Tannehill? WHO's a very efficient quarterback? He doesn't need a lot of respect. cluding for me and there've been a big fan but maybe maybe he's about to earn some will see. Here's a comment from Ron Chess. Pass, rush gets Tannehill. I. Hope. So Dave Shipley again, here's another one opening drive td. He's asking that question of me Hey has habits two, thousand eighteen. So hope so but. The. Good thing about about this team is it hasn't happened through five games and yet they're averaging third almost over thirty one points a game so. Big Picture probably not that big a deal, but it is kind of funny that that. It hasn't happened since two thousand eighteen now obviously last year. There's a huge reason why it didn't happen because of Mason Rudolph and Devon Hodges and the problems that had an offense but through five games but I'm not the score at TD. It's kind of funny. It probably goes back a lot of people a lot of credit criticize. People who criticize Randy fichtner that maybe the beginning of games a little bit too scripted. And he wants to stick to that. Those. Ten or fifteen scripted plays at the beginning of game. But I mean, of course, a lot of coaches do that. and. They put in a two dollar super chat for that and that's how much even. Opening drive td so For we say, give it a two dollars hopefully. Hopefully, it'll get off get off to a good start. And here's a comment from Israel. We will phase Henry out with the double digit lead by the third quarter. Well, that would that's definitely the what you have to do against an offense like that you want to put them put them. On their heels put putting behind it in. Force them to to start passing more I think the more. Tan to help pass even he's having a great year I think the more he can be exposed. So we'll. We'll see. All right up with that last question air comment. That's GONNA. Be It for today show and. I thank you all for joining me and enjoy Sunday's game and and. Please check out again, our whole family of podcasts both on Youtube and. On Eddie any audio platform you you desire to listen to it on, you'll find it so. Thanks again for for joining me and go steelers have a great weekend everybody.

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Rage for Justice Report - E7   Families of injured patients speak out for Fairness Act

Consumer Watchdog Podcast

15:03 min | 11 months ago

Rage for Justice Report - E7 Families of injured patients speak out for Fairness Act

"Thanks for joining us this week. On the rage for Justice Report I'm Jamie the court. This is consumer watchdog's podcast. I'm here with executive director of consumer watchdog Carmen Barbara. I'm the president of consumer watchdog Jamie Court and we did a big milestone Charleston. Didn't we carmen this week. What was that milestone the big milestone this week and happy Friday? Everyone is that the fairness for injured patients act our ballot measure to update. Update the nineteen seventy-five law that cap compensation for victims of medical negligence. Studies never once been changed in forty five years hit a huge signature gathering milestone allstone. We announced yesterday that we've collected over three hundred seven thousand signatures of the required six hundred twenty three thousand to make the ballot in November. Two Thousand Twenty so a huge victory signature gathering is going really well. It's really remarkable. We're getting We thought we'd get fifty thousand signatures a week because it's only been a month been five weeks lakes and We've we're getting sixty sixty five thousand signatures a week. We are the lowest paying petition on the street. Were paying for these signatures. That's what you have to do in this world but We are going to probably if there's key things keep going this. Well turn in a month before we actually have to. And it's it's I think it's a testament to the power of the issue issue. You know a month ago a little bit more than a month ago. We were at Frank Fat's restaurant in Sacramento. which is the location where there was a deal written on the back of a Napkin? That locked in this nineteen seventy five compensation cap. It was the last word on it for the next many decades and it was set by special interest groups that was set by the legislature in a backroom deal in nineteen seventy five and after the court declared the cap constitutional. They went to this restaurant. Frank Frank Fat's the trial lawyers insurance companies. The doctors lobby the medical malpractice insurance and there are also some tobacco companies there and they basically said we want peace. We don't want war. They cut a deal on the back of the NAPKIN. Nineteen eighty seven that locked in everything. That hasn't changed since only thing is the increase. Some attorneys Contingency fee rates. which you know? It's good because consumers can get attorneys but it's bad because they should have increased the cap cap set in nineteen seventy five at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in. It would be worth seven one one point two million dollars today or the reverse. which is that two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in one thousand nine hundred? Seventy five dollars is only worth about fifty thousand dollars for families today so imagine minimum wage which was two dollars and ten cents an hour in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy five being your compensation today just doesn't cut it in it. Means families are locked out of the courtroom. And that's what we were talking about it frank fats to the need to finally update this outdated law. That closes the courtroom door for so many families choose deal literally written on the back of a Napkin has the Napkin from Nineteen eighty-seven hang on the wall of the restaurant. So he held are launched there for the signature gathering we brought patients who are the proponents of the initiative patients who've You know faced Either not be able to get an attorney. Because of the cap where they actually saw their Verdicts reduced what happens. Happens is a jury isn't told about the cap they will go in and award to seven million dollars for instance in the case of one of the proponents on was too blind brain damaged because he couldn't couldn't get a simple test when he had a major head injury facial- facial injury and it would have detected brain mass and the side of the trial. Got The simple tests in the emergency room in the age of HMO medicine in in Andy's he'd be fine today so the jury said seven million kids never gonNA see. He's got cerebral palsy. You'll never live alone. That's what is quality of life is worth. That's what his pain and suffering thing is worth. That is what his blindness is. Disability worth in the jury left the room. Guess what the judge had reduced the award and his his his father. Scott Olsen Stevenson's father other is on our board of consumer watchdog and Steven is His picture hangs on the wall. He is one of these in one of the sweetest families. Nicest families in the world for something like this happened to in a few years ago. This was twenty eight years old now. Even the mom died. Kathy died Then she was on board as well and Scott had to quit his job to take care of Stephen. She had already ready quit her job. So that's seven million to come in handy. And here's what Scott had to say at Frank Fats About the whole about the whole deal once the jury left the room and it's always after the jury leaves the room. The judge slashed that seven million dollars verdict in two hundred fifty thousand dollars the caps by the legislature in nineteen eighteen seventy five and. It's never been adjusted where years ago this month. I'd leave my job and I do wonder all the time what will happen happened when I can't take care so carmen. The other pro- a proponent are the Marinos Who We should talk about? But we had a very surprised guests there to Barbara Boxer. Barbara had actually Met the Olson's this was you know twenty five years ago When Stephen was four after the injury because she prevented a national cap from being put in place across America there are twenty states without any cap there or another thirteen states? That have the type of cap we're talking about if there's a catastrophic exemption the fairness for injured patients access if you are permanently disabled are you or someone dies. There is no cap. The jury awards what it wants. And it's important to know that even in a years of Republican majorities in the House and in the senate medical malpractice caps as draconian as California's never get enacted a because they're simply unfair and because champions like Barbara Boxer meet families like the Olson's and fight to protect other families from going through with happened to them so barbara was also at the press conference talking about how she's GonNa fight as hard as she can to make sure this measure passes and patients rights are restored. And what's remarkable. She reminded people that caps on medical negligence cases. Were in the contract for America. Contract on. America's is how we called it with Newt. Gingrich put it into this is how right wing Republican. This isn't yet and the most progressive state in the nation. We have the most regressive cap the lowest in America along with Texas Montana. Here's here's what Barbara had to say at that. Press conference at Frank Fats and I carried in my heart and I feel really really strongly about so I met Stephen and I met Kathy. His mom and I'm GonNa do everything I can everything I can. It's time to once and for all adjust the cap so carmen the other family. The marinas are interesting because the oceans are not going to benefit from this change in the law. We're going to prevent another family from benefiting but the Marinos the other proponents. They have a little girl. WHO's in the opposite situation Stevens? Twenty eight now and the little girl is I think she's five and You WanNa talk about Mya in the Marinos. Yeah well it was it was pretty touching to meet both Scott and MIA In the same place in their wheelchairs with their families the sweetest kids but in ver- very much the same predicament have cerebral palsy. Have little control over their bodies because of the medical negligence that happened to them. So brie and Nelson Moreno are the parents of Mea They're proponents of the measure. Because MIA's case as Lake Scott Lake Stevens is capped by that two hundred fifty thousand dollar limit on compensation for the pain and suffering of children in who are harmed by medical negligence. No matter how long they have to live with that injury and the Moreno's spoke about how they hope that this law will prevent that cap from limiting me as justice because her cases go to trial after the voters vote in November. Whether there should be a cap and she is permanently only disabled so the jury won't have a cap to to be limiting them if this initiative passes and if it doesn't pass then whatever the jury awards when they leave the room the the oceans the verdict could be slashed to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So here's what Brie and For free and then her husband Nelson shoot say about this question medical staff about sedating her twice in the same day or even performing two major seizures on her just hours apart but we trusted the doctor's doctors like most people do and you know why wouldn't we. We know that not only was. She said they'd wise but she was also over sedated which caused her heart to collapse right then and there US ozzy popping. Cancer wasn't an awful ready for her. After seeking a second opinion for an leading hospital we were told that the cancer Also removable sure enough. She's cancer free but because of the medical negligence sense from the hospital work you know. We've I Q will now be disabled for the rest of her life. You know we talk a lot about families And and and there's one case you know that I just think really stood out here. it was the case of gentleman who's lost his wife Charles Johnson. You WanNa talk about key because you know this is the the type of case where there is a hard two hundred fifty thousand dollar cap on the death of his wife at in the child birthing process something never should have happened in African American woman. And it's an increasing epidemic and and that means that the family wouldn't get an attorney Under normal circumstances is because the maximum they could ever get for the death of someone who's not a wage earners two hundred fifty thousand and from that has to come out the attorney's fees the expert witness cost which is fifty or one hundred thousand to take the case a trough. The victim's left with eighty thousand. One hundred thousand in the attorney has to risk all that money to get that eighty one hundred thousand economically. It's it's not possible because these are nineteen seventy-five limits that by the way. The initiative indexes for inflation in most cases and in the case of catastrophic injury exempts. Do you WanNa talk about the Johnsons. Because they are so It's such a powerful story and it's and it's a story. Unfortunately it happens too often that African American women are dying childbirth and it's almost inexplicable other. The hospitals aren't doing better job with them well and it's particularly apt to talk about it right now with women's marches in Los Angeles and across the country tomorrow. Oh Saturday where women will be marching for equal justice for equal treatment for a senior world than the one we live in that African American women die at three times. The rate of Caucasian MOMS and childbirth We met Charles after exactly. That happened to his wife. His wife Kiro was a really amazing amazing woman. They already had one child. They were Rushing to have a second child so their two sons were born. Close together They were a well off. Couple Charles's does. Your mother is television. Judge Glenda Hatchet They were educated and care was really healthy. They went to Cedar Sinai to have the baby. It was a planned c-section everything was normal. Everything was going well. But when cure came out of the delivery when they came out of the c section Russian she started feeling worse and worse and the doctors refused to listen to. The families. Concerns refused to act on her increasingly Singley. Desperate Situation It was so bad that this became an emblem of the problem of African American. MOMS dying in childbirth across the country. It was a episode of the Fox. TV show the resident. But we'll let you tell we'll let you hear what Charles said at the at the event about what it meant for his family To have to go through that to lose a mother in a way that never should have happened. We talked about quantifying the value of human life view in this room to understand. There's absolutely no way. You can quantify difficulties. It's the eighteen month old as Mommy's army's never come on calculate how difficult it is to explain to his son that would never know his mother. Just how it Mason. She's how amazing she wants so You know the thing about Charles case is He it'd what happened cedars-sinai this is one of the top top medical institutions in America and You know something very similar happened to Serena Williams. Something very similar happened to this. Is this to The girlfriend fiance say of Of of Shane. Mosely the boxer who is with us. Trista What we it just happens across the economic spectrum but one of the people we really we think is going to be a heck of a voice? In this is Charles's mom Glenda Hatchet. Who's WHO's a judge who really I think we're GONNA end and with her because she at fats. Frank fats really summed up I think the anger of women African American women at a medical system. That's not accountable because they're not legally accountable and they're not well regulated. So here's judge Glenda hatchet absolutely despicable of what has happened and the backroom deal that was cut downstairs and the forty five years that this has gone unchecked well L. to day in twenty today we are declaring that we're putting an anchor in the ground and we are going to do what is necessary. I don't want another fan to suffer the way that tens of thousands of families in the state have suffered for all of these decades couldn't have said it better ourselves so maybe we'll just end there. Will we have to say. Is that these signatures at this rate will be turned in April They'll be certified for the ballot in July the legislature if it wants to make these changes without going to the voters has until June twenty fifth fifth to do them in the initiative can be withdrawn otherwise people California the eighteen million voters who probably come out and very strong numbers will get to vote in November on the fairness for injured patients. Thank you Carmen and Please find this podcast subscribe to on I tunes on the apple a Apple store the Google store every place. Get a podcast soundcloud and tell your friends thank you so much.

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November 28, 2019: Lady Pirates Escape Death

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10:09 min | 1 year ago

November 28, 2019: Lady Pirates Escape Death

"Today is Thursday November twenty eighth two thousand nineteen on this day in seventeen twenty any an Bonney and Mary read were convicted of piracy and sentenced to hang only to receive a last minute reprieve. They would both be remembered as two of the most famous pirates in history for both their fearsome violence and the fact the they were women. Welcome to today in true crime podcast original today. They were covering two of the most famous female pirates in the golden age of piracy and Bonnie and Mary read after the capture of their ship. Tip The William and Captain Jack Rackham. The crew was put on trial. Let us go back in. Time to Seventeen Twenty Jamaica Gotcha at the court where the two women awaited their fate. The Admiralty Court was ready. Need to hand down. Its verdict ten days earlier Captain Calico Jack Rackham had been sent to hang along with four of his his crew. The only pirates left to sentence were and Bonnie and Mary read the two women who had supposedly dressed as men and participated in Jack's heinous crimes tension hung thick in the humid island air. The crowd jostled trying aimed to get a good look at the two prisoners. The women who had committed vicious acts of piracy alongside male counterparts according to one witness. Dorothy spin low. These two women were just as vicious as the men in their party wielding machetes and pistols Stolz to menace their prisoners. Dorothy testimony made it clear that these weren't helpless women forced into becoming concubines ends to a ruthless pirate. These were ruthless pirates and Bonnie and Mary read held themselves proudly as as they were brought in front of the court this despite the fact that their faces were dirty and their clothes hung ragged about them. They he gave no indication that they feared what the court had in store for them. The crowd was silent. One member of the courts stood and addressed addressed the prisoners. You Mary read and you and Bonnie alias. Bon are to go from hence to the place from from whence you came and from thence to the place of execution where you shall be severally hanged by the Neck 'till you are severally overly dead and God of his Infinite Mercy Be merciful to both your souls. Bonnie and read exchanged exchanged a glance not moving a muscle. Then they spoke. We plead our bellies. The court exploded into commotion. Onlookers shouted derisively at the women. It was a lie. They were just buying in time. The Admiralty Committee members exchanged glance. This matter had to be handled with extreme delicacy the judge judge ordered both women back to their cell at once as the court discussed the matter the testimony they'd heard throughout the day led them to. I believe that these women would attempt to escape the news by any means necessary. The court had to be absolutely certain of the pregnancies. Tests were ordered and local. Doctors inspected the women they returned to the court promptly with their verdict. The women were indeed both pregnant. Their executions would have to wait coming up. We'll discuss the careers of an Bonney and Mary read as well as their eventual fates. Now back to the story and Bonnie and Mary read were tried and found guilty of piracy on November. Twenty eighth seventeen twenty by this time they were already two of the most well known pirates in history not only because of their gender but also because of the improbable global fact that two women disguised as men had wound up on the same ship. Much of what we know of their lives. Before taking to the sea he comes from a book entitled a General History of the pirates by captain. Charles Johnson it was published in seventeen twenty four four four years after Annan. Mary's trial for piracy in it Johnson claims and Bonnie was the illegitimate child of a respected attorney. Ernie in Cork Ireland Mary read on the other hand was born in England and joined the navy at a young age while passing as a man. Though Johnson's book contains a number of embellishments. The following facts are indisputable by seventeen twenty. The two women men met aboard the ship of Captain. Jack Rackham there. The trio committed a number of acts of piracy alongside rackhams crew of nine men. Men Historians are uncertain. How Open Bonnie and read were about their true identities some maintain that it opened seed they lived as women and only donning male close went on a raid others claimed that they masqueraded as men throughout their careers as pirates but all these accounts definitively agree that Mary and Anne were close friends and that Calico Jack was in on their deception after months? Awesome sailing with Calico Jack Onboard his sloop William and Bonnie and Mary read found themselves captured and held as prisoners of the crowd. Our along with the rest of the crew Calico Jack was hanged on November. Eighteenth in Port Royal Jamaica and most of his crew followed load shortly after before his execution Rackham came to visit and Bonnie in prison during which she supposedly coined one of the most most legendary farewells in the golden age of piracy. I am sorry to see you here but if you had fought like a man you need not oughta have been hanged like a dog. Unlike their doomed fellows and Mary still had some cards to play at the last last minute both of them claimed to be pregnant a practice known at the time as pleading your belly doctors examined them and determined at at least as far as medical knowledge of the time could tell both women were telling the truth. The Admiralty Court granted them a stay of execution until after their children were born but life in the Caribbean during the eighteenth century held dangers injures of its own even when not facing the news the average life expectancy in this period of history was around thirty five to forty and though Mary read was no average woman she would not defied these odds sometime in the spring of seventeen twenty one. Mary read fell ill and died. She was buried on April. Twenty eight th seventeen. Twenty one by Saint Catherine's Church in Jamaica. Her story lives on in the mid surrounding the golden age of piracy and Bonnie on the other hand vanished from history. Sorry after the trial the closest we get to a hint of her fate comes from the last page of her chapter in Johnson's book. What is become of her since we cannot tell only this we know that she was not executed? And thanks for listening to today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson. If you enjoyed this episode be sure to check. 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Gone Rewind: Blackbeards Treasure

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53:24 min | 11 months ago

Gone Rewind: Blackbeards Treasure

"On August twenty third seventeen eighteen to French merchants ships sailed through the warm Atlantic waters. Bermuda the French sailors had been at sea for over five months and they hadn't suffered a single pirate attack now. Wow they just needed their luck to hold a few days longer until they left. The Caribbean Bermuda was almost within sight. Once the French sailors passed a tiny tiny Caribbean island. They could cross the Open Ocean for Europe and leaves a pirate infested American waters behind the sunlight faded and the temperature richer cool. It was a peaceful evening but then French captain John Goo Peel spotted a ship slicing through the water it. It was headed right for them. Captain Goo peels string desires for a better look at the ship then he relaxed. It was just a tiny Spanish sloop. There was nothing to be worried about. But then the Spanish sloop pulled up alongside the large French merchant ship commanding the SLOOP was is a fearsome bearded man whose name struck terror into the heart of every merchant on America's eastern seaboard. BLACKBEARD hi. I'm molly and I'm Richard. Welcome to gone the show show where. We searched for everything missing every other Monday. We examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso Paintings to the address can language the roanoke colony to the lost. Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking looking for it. If you want to listen to previous episodes you can find them on your favorite podcast directory or on our website. PODCAST DOT COM. While you're there don't forget to subscribe and leave a five star review. It seems simple but it really helps podcast. Today we will be focusing on the lost treasure of Edward teach better known by his nickname. BLACKBEARD treasure hunters and adventurers have been searching for BLACKBEARD's fabled treasure ever since the pirates violent demise on November twenty second. Seventeen eighteen now when we think of pirate treasure we tend to imagine chests brimming with gold and jewels. We don't know of BLACKBEARD. had such a chest. He primarily robbed merchant ships of their wine `sugar cocoa and slaves but as the pirates mythology grew in the three hundred years after his death. So too did the rumors that he had hidden away. A chest filled with gold whether the treasure was a chest of gold or a ship. Full of valuables our first theory revolves around the possibility eh that blackbeard's treasure sank to the bottom of the ocean. Along with this infamous flagship. The Queen Ann's revenge our second theory that blackbeard's treasure is somewhere in bath. The oldest European town in North Carolina. blackbeard took up residence in bath in the summer of seventeen in eighteen just a few months before his death there was plenty of time for him to find a secret place to hide his treasure. The third theory is that the treasure is somewhere somewhere on ocracoke island. The site of BLACKBEARD's climactic last stand against British. Lieutenant Robert Maynard are four theory. Delves delves into the myths surrounding the terrifying pirate. According to Legend blackbeard hid his stolen loot under a walnut tree in Burlington New Jersey. Our final theory is that there is no treasure. BLACKBEARD simply spend all of his money before he died but before we begin our hunt for buried treasure. We need to take a deep dive into blackbeard's action packed life and his dramatic death. There's a lot of mystery surrounding BLACKBEARD's early life. We don't even know his real name. It may have been Edward. Teach Edward Thatch or even Edward Drummond but none of these names have ever been verified. Since we don't know the pirates true name we're going to refer to him by his infamous PSOMAS moniker. BLACKBEARD BLACKBEARD was born sometime around sixteen eighty according to Captain Charles Johnson who published a general history of the robberies and murders of the most notorious pirates and seventeen twenty four. BLACKBEARD spent his Childhood in Bristol and ancient seaport port located in the south of England. It's important to keep in mind. The Captain Johnson is not the most reliable source of information his true identity sanity was never confirmed after his books. Seventeen twenty four publication and Charles. Johnson was a pen name. Some historians believe Charles. Johnson was really the famous novelist. Daniel Defoe however others believe the Captain Johnson was likely retired pirate. His information on pirates was so accurate that there was a good chance that much of it came from firsthand experience. So we're going to accept captain. Johnson's claim that blackbeard grew up up in Bristol. It would certainly be a fitting childhood home for future. Pirate Bristol was infamous for harboring pirates since the Middle Ages BLACKBEARD may have grown up in redcliffe Bristol. Suburb by the river. Avon by the late sixteen eighty s Bristol had several schools rules in operation throughout the city. BLACKBEARD likely learned to read and write at one of these schools. According to Estonian legend tragedy struck in sixteen ninety three. When blackbeard was just thirteen? His father died and his mother. Soon remarried but BLACKBEARD's new stepfather. It was a cruel man who made his life a living hell. He spent the next three years physically abusing and whipping boy in sixteen ninety six. When when blackbeard was sixteen he was finally old enough and strong enough to stand up to his stepfather one evening? BLACKBEARD defended himself and gave gave his stepfather beating sixteen year old. BLACKBEARD new his stepfather would be out for his blood. If blackbeard wanted to live he he needed to get out of Bristol. BLACKBEARD race down to the docks and found a merchant ship willing to sign him on as a cabin boy ships boys or cabin-boys generally teenagers who did chores and errands for the captain and other sailors. They often carried messages around the ship or helped down the kitchens in sixteen ninety six. The merchant ship set sail with young blackbeard aboard. He was finally free of Bristol and his terrifying stepfather a year later in sixteen ninety seven. Blackbeard arrived in the Caribbean. The place he would soon call home. It's likely that blackbeard's spent the next several years honing his skills as a sailor but his first taste of battle came in the early seventeen hundreds when he took part in Queens war or the war for Spanish Succession after King. Charles the second of Spain died on November. First Seventeen hundred. Several European countries began again. Jockeying for control of the Spanish throne King. Charles had made Philip the grandson of the French King Louis. The fourteenth his air and Philip took control role of the Spanish throne and its armies in seventeen hundred a year later in seventeen o one. Philip's grandfather Louis announced his plan plan to allow Philip to inherit the French throne as well. This would have led to a combined. French Spanish Kingdom. The potential merger of France and Spain posed a major threat to England and Holland and were quickly broke out between the four countries in seventeen o one by seventeen o to the fighting it spread to the American colonies during Queen. Anne's war black beard and many other. British sailors became privateers. These privateers weren't officially officially soldiers but carried letters of Marque from the British government authorizing them to attack and raid. The ships of enemy countries. In other words privateers were essentially legalised pirates over the next decade. BLACKBEARD was able to make a good living off of the gold and valuables. He sees from foreign foreign ships in the Caribbean by the time Queen. Anne's war ended in seventeen thirteen. BLACKBEARD had grown accustomed to his privateer lifestyle. He didn't want to go back to being an ordinary. Low paid sailor so like many other former privateers. BLACKBEARD decided to turn pirate by seventeen sixteen. So many former privateers. It switched over to piracy that it constituted a final golden age of piracy a period of rampant pirate attacks that stretched from the sixteen fifties to seventeen twenty six within two years. BLACKBEARD would become one of the most most infamous pirates of the entire era in seventeen sixteen. Blackbeard met Benjamin Horne a gold in the Bahamas Almas and joined forces with him like Blackbeard Horn. A gold was a British. privateer braced a life of piracy after Queen. Anne's war her while serving under horn a gold. BLACKBEARD cultivated a terrifying appearance. He was an imposing man and he enhanced his frightening appearance by wearing dark clothes clothes his long matted black hair and beard made him look ferocious. An animalistic over his mass of black hair. Blackbeard wore a wide brimmed brimmed hat before raiding merchant ship. He stuck fuses under the hat brim and lit them so it appeared as though his hair was wreathed in flame it was a terrifying side. Pat Croce owner of a Florida. Pirate Museum explained to C. N. N. quote he would be encircled by smoke and the sailors prey on merchant ships would see Satan coming towards them and quote after joining up with horny gold in seventeen sixteen osteen. It didn't take long for blackbeard to earn a reputation as a skilled pirate in his own. Right Horn a gold was impressed by BLACKBEARD's ferocity in battle and in the winter of seventeen sixteen horn. A gold gave blackbeard his own sloop worship equipped with six guns. The sloop was small the deadly by the spring of seventeen seventeen. BLACKBEARD was a bona fide. Pirate captain with seventy men under his command. Black Beard and horn korngold worked in tandem to rub merchant ships and they weren't just looking for gold enriches as a pirate captain. It was BLACKBEARD's responsibility to make sure his crew always had a good time this mandated a ready supply of tasty food and strong drink in the spring of seventeen seventeen Torna golden. BLACKBEARD hijack a Portuguese merchant ship the pirate captains in their crew. Soon set to work drinking every last bottle of Madeira. Wine on the ship. A good time was clearly had by all but Hornets goals and BLACKBEARD's partnership didn't last by the fall a seventeen seventeen. BLACKBEARD and the other pirates were growing frustrated with Horny gold even though Hornets was no longer a legal privateer acting under her majesty's orders. He liked to behave as though he was. He refused to attack British ships and only rated French and Spanish ships. BLACKBEARD appeared in the rest of the pirates. Were under no such patriotic delusions. They knew they were criminals and they were tired of ignoring every British merchant ship that passed them by Horner. Gold was overthrown by his crew is captain and in September of seventeen seventeen. BLACKBEARD's set off on his own with around one one hundred and fifty men. BLACKBEARD spent the fall of seventeen seventeen rating ships. Up and down the eastern seaboard. He spent some time in October. We're off the coast of New Jersey targeting ships passing through Delaware Bay and perhaps while he was in New Jersey. BLACKBEARD hid some of his lute. There her we'll return to our story in just a moment from the podcast network. I list nurse. I'm thrilled to tell you about a new podcast show. I'm hosting with my dark side of and political scandals partner Kate eight they are natural born leaders with never ending thirst for power through force and deceit. They rise through the ranks towards radicalism eliminating anyone who stands in their way and the only thing more inevitable then there is is the ruin discover the true stories of power your greed and deceit in the podcast original series dictators. Every Tuesday dictators examines the reign of a real life. Tyrant exploring blurring the unique conditions that allow them to seize control. Each dictator is analyzed in two part episodes with the first giving insight into the the rise to power and the second chronicling the impact of their downfall hear more about the men who claim to love their country but were intricately responsible responsible for killing millions of their own people. Men's such as Prime Minister Benito Mussolini Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un and even Julius Caesar himself discover the governments that fell the lives that were destroyed and evil at its highest level. Follow dictators free on spotify spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts and now let's continue our story. Now as the weather grew colder. Blackbeard then sailed south toward the Bahamas by November. Seventeen seventeen he controlled two sloops one with eight guns and one with twelve. He also had an impressive two hundred fifty pirates under his command. All blackbeard needed now was the flagship and it didn't take him long to find one on November twenty eighth seventeen seventeen. The French slave ship block concord was sailing to Martinique with four hundred fifty five Africans trapped on board the French. Sliver captain soon spotted blackbeard's two ships oops streaking toward him. There was little he could do to fight back. Against the pirates there were only forty crew members aboard the French slave ship breath and about half of them were recovering from dysentery. The captain surrendered as soon as blackbeard. Boarded La Concorde was quite a prize. It was over one hundred feet long and weighed in at two hundred tonnes in comparison to his smaller sloops. This was an enormous ship but but before blackbeard could set to work transforming the slave ship into a pirate war vessel. He needed to decide what to do. With the hundreds of Africans imprisoned thousand in the ship's hull. BLACKBEARD recruited a few of the Africans into his pirate crew but he dumped the majority of them on the island of Beck Way along along with the French flavor crew a few days after seizing concord in November. Seventeen seventeen sadly. This enabled the French to quickly send the ship to Rian Slave. The Africans as pirate blackbeard believed in equality and freedom for himself and his crew. But he wasn't terribly concerned concerned with the rights or freedoms of others instead. BLACKBEARD focused his energies. On transforming his new flagship he docked the ship and added more cannons bringing the total number two forty he hoisted a new flag designed to strike terror into the hearts of his enemies a skeleton raising a glass to Satan while stabbing bleeding heart with a long spear finally. He gave the ship a new name. Queen Ann's revenge the renovations innovations took only a week or so by December seventeen. Seventeen blackbeard was ready to set sail. He immediately began targeting ships in the Caribbean on December fifth. BLACKBEARD captured. The ship Margaret near Anguilla and took Henry boss dog the ship's sailing master or navigation expert as his hostage. BLACKBEARD kept boss. Doc Hostage for eight hours and while they kept bostick doc prisoner. BLACKBEARD's pirates bragged that they had ample amounts of gold and treasure on board the Queen Ann's revenge. After bostock was released he wrote in a letter to the Antigua governor on December nineteenth that blackbeard had much gold. Dust aboard is certainly supports. Our theory that the BLACKBEARD's treasure was on his flagship. Bostick was also the first to elaborate on BLACKBEARD's physical appearance as quote a tall spare man with a very black beard which he wore very long and quote. BOSTOCK's description was how black beard finally earned his infamous nickname in in May of seventeen eighteen. Thirty eight year old black beard sale to Charlestown a busy port city in South Carolina. He now had his flagship flagship. The Queen Anne's revenge as well as several smaller sloops. It was a strong enough fleet to blockade Charlestown and rob any ships sailing into into or out of the port. BLACKBEARD seized and robbed at least nine ships at Charlestown. He amassed a sizable amount of treasure. Aboard the Queen Ann's revenge Nj over a period of about five days but while he was in Charlestown blackbeard. Her too disturbing news the British Sea Captain Woods. Rogers was sailing from England with one hundred soldiers and three well armed warships to retake the Bahamas and wipe out any pirates in the vicinity. Nitty were still rogers. Was Born in sixteen seventy nine a year before blackbeard. Both Rogers and blackbeard grew up in Bristol. And it's it's possible. The two knew each other is children. If Rogers was aware of BLACKBEARD's true identity then blackbeard may have been desperate to avoid an encounter with him him. BLACKBEARD wouldn want word getting back to Bristol that he was a pirate since this would bring shame on his family in early June seventeen eighteen. BLACKBEARD abandon his blockade of Charlestown and sale the Queen Anne's revenge and the rest of his captured ships to Topsail island off the coast of North Carolina Anna. Suddenly the Queen's revenge struck a sandbar. The impact destroyed the ship's main. Mast wrecking the ship. BLACKBEARD quickly Lee transferred whatever plunder could salvage from the Queen. Anne's revenge into the smaller sloops and made way for the mainland. BLACKBEARD sale two bath North Carolina Carolina in June. Seventeen eighteen. At this point he only had one sloop laughed and a few crew members in late June of seventeen eighteen he met with Governor Eden and received a pardon for all of his pirating activities. He bought a home in plump point and entertain the entire town with lavish parties even though blackbeard had received a royal pardon. He couldn't resist the lure of piracy for long within two months service June pardon. BLACKBEARD was back to plundering merchant ships on August. Twenty four th seventeen eighteen French captain John Goo Peel was sailing back to Europe. In command of the merchant ship throws emily travelling in tandem with the rose. Emily was a second burcin ship. Latina's on door. They were just about a day. Sail away from Bermuda and the open. Atlantic Ocean as the sun sank over the horizon season Captain Goo Peel noticed a small sloop approaching the rose. Emily it didn't seem like anything to worry about. Until the tiny Spanish sloop sloop sailed right alongside the Rose Emily. A Motley crew of pirates stood aboard the small Spanish ships deck bristling with weapons. BLACKBEARD DOC beard was at the helm of the ship aiming the sloops cannons at the Rose Emily Captain Goo Peel. And his men scrambled appoint their cannons at the SLOOP. But then blackbeard pulled off an amazing stunt instead of engaging the Rose Emily and battle. BLACKBEARD sloop slipped past. The merchant ship hip BLACKBEARD's sailed his sloop right over to the lottos on door catching it's French crew unprepared for battle. His men swiftly boarded and seized the armed merchant ship. BLACKBEARD could now attack the Rose Emily with two ships his small Spanish sloop and the larger French merchant ship desperate to save the lives of his crew. Captain Goo peels surrendered to blackbeard. The pirate could now sell the valuable barrels of sugar and cocoa aboard the French merchant and chips and add to his ever increasing hoard of treasure despite the success in August blackbeard's return to piracy. Didn't last long. Governor Governor Eden of North Carolina was willing to look the other way after. BLACKBEARD began attacking ships in August of seventeen eighteen. Possibly because the pirate was bribing him with a share of the spoils but governor spotswood Virginia was having none of it. spotswood was tired of blackbeard attacking merchant ships off the Virginia coast. He didn't care if blackbeard had a pardon from Governor Eden. He wanted to get rid of the pirate once and for all after learning that blackbeard had residents in bath. North Carolina Governor spotswood decided to invade the town and capture him. Of course the Virginia Governor Verner had no actual legal authority to invade North Carolina. But spotswood was able to recruit British naval officers Captain Brand and Lieutenant Maynard to his 'cause they were more than willing to help him take down the infamous pirate. The plan was for captain brand to lead two hundred men overland towards bath. Meanwhile Lieutenant Maynard was ordered to sail to blackbeard's hideout on ocracoke island which is off the North Carolina coast in the outer banks to capture any pirates carousing and his secret base. After maynard captured all of the pirates at ocracoke he was supposed to sail L. to bath to assist in the capture of blackbeard. What maynard and the others didn't know was that blackbeard wasn't at his home in bath? He was at ocracoke. Doc maynard thought the ocracoke island would be a simple capture of a few pirates stragglers instead. He found himself in a naval battle against BLACKBEARD maynard. Set Sail for ocracoke island on November seventeenth. He had two ships under his command the ranger and the Jane and and only fifty seven men. It was a small crew but it was enough to take out the few pirates. Hold up at the island. Before rejoining the main force at Bat Maynard and his crew arrived at ocracoke island on the evening of November twenty first and saw one of BLACKBEARD's sloops docked at the island. It it was dark enough out that the pirates failed to spot. The arrival of the British warships the British sailors rested in preparation for battle in the morning. Blackbeard I heard on the other hand spent the evening of November twenty first drinking and partying. He had no idea. The British were about to attack. Maynard ordered his as men awake at dawn on November. The twenty second with his men refreshed and ready for battle mainers to sloop sailed towards blackbeard. Sloop the adventure at seven thirty. AM The bleary eyed. Pirates finally noticed the British sloop sailing toward them. They raced to prepare for battle as the British ships sailed uncomfortably close. BLACKBEARD fired a warning. Shot from his cannon but Maynard was undeterred as the ship's drew closer her. He unfurled his flag the Union Jack Now the pirates knew that the British navy were the ones hunting them soon. The adventure and the Jane seen were within three hundred feet of each other. It was close enough for the captains to exchange greetings maynard never forgot the exchange he later wrote unquote at our first salutation. BLACKBEARD drank damnation to me and my men whom he styled cowardly puppies saying he would never give take quarter end quote in other words. BLACKBEARD was taking no prisoners. This was going to be a fight to the death and with that. BLACKBEARD signaled his cannons to fire at the Jane. Instead of firing one large cannonball each blackbeard's four cannons were filled with grape shot. Clusters of medals stuffed into large bags. Grape shot was at terrifyingly effective way of mowing down large numbers of soldiers at close. Close Range BLACKBEARD's cannon. Fire attack decimated. The British troops nine men died on the ranger including all three commanding ending officers. Twenty men were killed on the Jane. BLACKBEARD and his twenty-five member crew cheered and sailed the adventure within boarding range of the Jane and as they drew close they launched another devastating attack the pirates lobbed granados or primitive grenades filled with gunpowder outer at the James. It seemed as though all was lost for Maynard but the British lieutenant had a backup plan earlier that morning hidden a well armed contingent of twelve men below the decks of the Jane which kept them. SAFE from BLACKBEARD's cannon fire above deck maynard. Newt had nothing more than a skeleton crew maynard wanted to use the Jane as a sort of Trojan horse. Once the pirates boarded the ship his men could rush Russia upstairs and ambush blackbeard and his pirates and with most of Maynard's men seemingly killed by cannon fire and grenades. BLACKBEARD and his men were eager due to board the Jane they only saw Maynard and three or four other sailors on the deck. It seemed like easy pickings. BLACKBEARD boarded the ship with ten of of his crew. And that's when Maynard gave the signal to his men hidden downstairs. It was maynard and his twelve men versus black beard and his ten pirates grits. The battle was chaotic. Everyone used whatever weapons they had on hand pistols cutlasses or short swords even bare fists ests. BLACKBEARD himself had several pistols tucked into his belt. Each capable of firing only one bullet he rushed towards Lieutenant Maynard and both men men fired pistols at each other. BLACKBEARD was wounded but this barely slowed down. He attacked Maynard with his curved cutlass. The two engaged in a duel to the death. BLACKBEARD quickly sliced Maynard's hand opened with his cutlass as maynard struggled to recover. BLACKBEARD raised his sword. Ready to they cut the lieutenant down. BLACKBEARD didn't notice maynard's men approaching one of the men leaped in between black beard and Maynard and slashed BLACKBEARD's face. ooh The wounded pirate kept fighting but he was now outnumbered by Maynard. Anna's men they stabbed the pirate twenty times with their swords and shot shot him five times with their pistols but blackbeard was still fighting. Finally one of Maynard's men. A Scottish soldier sunk his sword into blackbeard's it's neck. Even this didn't kill the pirate. BLACKBEARD mock the Scotsman and cried. Well done lad the Scotsman replied if it be not well done. I'll do it better. He swung his sword and sliced off blackbeard's head and with that final stroke. BLACKBEARD died on November. Twenty second seventeen eighteen and with the pirate dead. The British sailors began again hunt for blackbeard's loot they never found his buried treasure and the search for blackbeard's gold has continued for three hundred years. Ears are story will continue in a moment after the break and now back to the the story. BLACKBEARD died in a climactic battle against British forces on November twenty seconds seventeen eighteen in the waters off. Ocracoke Island AH treasure. Hunters have spent three hundred years since his death looking for blackbeard's buried treasure they were likely spurred on by Captain Johnson. Seventeen seventeen twenty four pirate book a General History of the robberies and murders of the most notorious pirates in the book. Johnson Johnson recounted a conversation between blackbeard and his crewmates when one of the pirates asked blackbeard hid his money black bed replied. They don't really he and the devil knew where his treasure was buried. And with that Johnson inspired generations of treasure hunters to start digging for BLACKBEARD's riches. Most of our theories about the treasure's location are focused around the last six months of blackbeard's life our first I theory is that blackbeard's treasure saint to the bottom of the ocean in early June. Seventeen eighteen along with his flagship. The Queen Ann's revenge. We know that blackbeard kept at least some of his plunder aboard his ships. You may remember that Bostock ship master taken prisoner for a day on the Queen. Ann's ends revenge noted that there was much gold dust aboard and when blackbeard finished his blockade of Charlestown in late May seventeen eighteen. He had just robbed nine ships. He had plenty of Lewd aboard the Queen Ann's revenge when he wrecked the flagship a few days later in June in his hurry to transfer the treasurer from Queens revenge into the smaller sloops was blackbeard forced to leave significant portion of his plunder behind when the Queen answer events sank to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. Perhaps most of blackbeard's treasure disappeared with the flagship. It's viable theory eerie. But you're assuming that. BLACKBEARD accidentally wrecked his ships. BLACKBEARD captured and refurbish the Queen Revenge. Just seven months earlier in November. Seventeen seventeen no self-respecting pirate would sink his own flagship. BLACKBEARD might have especially if this enabled him to betray his zone men and keep most of his treasure for himself one reason. He may have sunk his own. Flagship is because he wanted to go legitimate mitt by early June. BLACKBEARD knew that the British King George. The first was offering clemency to pirates. Who petitioned for a pardon by September timber fifth seventeen eighteen? All blackbeard had to do with surrender himself to quote any governor or any deputy governor of any of Britain's this plantations beyond the sea and quote. BLACKBEARD didn't want to be executed by the British government but he also knew that many of his crew members burs were loath to abandon their criminal lifestyle and most importantly he had over three hundred men under his command. He did not want to divide up his treasure with that. Many crew members some historians theorize that blackbeard came up with a clever plan to keep his loot. After wrecking the Queen. Man's revenge BLACKBEARD's set up a base camp for as men. At Beaufort South Carolina he encouraged crew drink and make merry then blackbeard. Blackbeard asked somewhere between twenty and forty of his most trusted crewmates to help him move his treasure from the Queen's revenge to his smaller sloops and with that. BLACKBEARD sailed off on the smaller ships with all the treasure and a skeleton crew of about forty men. He left behind over two hundred of his as crew in Beaufort. Not all of the crew members who blackbeard took with him were willing to go along with his betrayal. At least seventeen. Men rebelled against blackbeard after he abandoned the rest of the crew so blackbeard's stranded the mutineers on an uninhabited island now. We can't know for sure if blackbeard intentionally sank the Queen Ann's revenge. It's possible that he smashed the Queen. Anne's revenge into a sandbar entirely by accident. The topsail inlet now known as the Buford Inland is in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. An area nicknamed the Graveyard of the Atlantic. Because it's rough waters and hidden sandbars have wrecked numerous ships. The Queen Ann's revenge could have been just one of many many ships to reckon the area according according to one theory blackbeard with simply sailing into do maintenance on the ship and clean the bottom of the boat but when he tried to navigate the Queen. Anne's revenge singed through topsail inlet. He hit the sandbar unable to free the ruined boat. BLACKBEARD and the other pirates quickly abandoned ship. BLACKBEARD would have been in in a hurry to transfer whatever loot he could off the damaged ship before it sank but it was impossible to know for sure whether blackbeard's treasure was left behind signed on the sunken ship unless someone found the wreckage of the Queen Ann's revenge for hundreds of years. The Queen Ann's revenge was lost to the ocean's depths but in one thousand nine hundred ninety six there was a breakthrough salvagers working for the company. Inter Saul Incorporated found a shipwreck on the ocean floor or in the waters off topsail island. The company quickly began to suspect they had discovered the queen. Anne's revenge if so this was a thrilling and rare find listen to Barry Clifford a treasure hunter explain how it feels to discover a pirate ship. A dream come true of you know how did Inter Saul No. They'd found blackbeard's flagship for starters. The shipwreck matched the enormous size. In descriptions options of the Queen Anne's revenge the shipwrecks location matched the alleged location of blackbeard's shipwreck and the artifacts on the ship were dated to seventeen in eighteen or earlier which matches the date. The ship sank salvagers recovered of thousands of items including Lebron's ship bell dated dated seventeen. o nine a mortar and Paxil. A copper soared guard navigational instruments and even scraps of books dating back to seventeen eighteen twelve. They also found twenty four cannons in the shipwreck. At least four of the recovered cannons. Were already loaded. This ship had an nab normal number of weapons and it was clearly manned by sailors who regularly engaged in battle in other words. Pirates as underwater. Archeologist geologist's Dr. Richard Lawrence told The New York Times in Nineteen ninety-seven quote. I'm ninety percent convinced. This is the ship it it all just falls into place the date on the bell the blunderbuss the cannon that we've observed the lack of any other candidate in this area the ship is is right where it should be an quote Dr. Jeffrey J Crowe. The Director of North Carolina's division of archives in history also told The New York Times Times that quote everything points to it being associated with blackbeard end quote and fifteen years after the shipwreck was discovered in nineteen ninety six. The State of North Carolina officially declared it to be the queen. Answer Revenge in two thousand eleven. But the question remains is blackbeard's treasure treasure hidden somewhere in the wreck. Salvagers and marine archaeologists have in fact found gold in the wreckage of the Queen's revenge. But it's a very tiny amount about two grams. Worth of tiny gold pieces were discovered hidden in a pile of lead shot. The biggest piece of gold was only a half a centimeter along. This obviously wasn't large enough stash to be blackbeard's treasure. Archaeologists believe the gold may have belonged to one of the ship's original French crew members members when blackbeard sees the ship in November of seventeen seventeen. The French crew member may have stashed gold in ammunition barrel to hide it from blackbeard on the other hand. The gold may of belong to one of BLACKBEARD's pirates. Perhaps he didn't have time to retrieve his share of the treasure before the ship sank. The amount of gold found so far at the wreckage is a bit underwhelming. But there's a chance that archaeologists could find more gold the Queen Anne's revenge was over one hundred feet long and the shipwreck is massive. There's still plenty to explore and uncover. And fortunately excavation of the wreck halted in two thousand fifteen inter saul the salvage company that found the wreckage and the state of North Carolina have spent the last several years engaged gauged lawsuit over. Who has the right to publish videos and photos of the Queen Ann's revenge as of this recording? The legal dispute is still ongoing. So although archaeologists haven't found blackbeard's treasure yet the loot could still be hidden in the unexplored section of the wreckage. We can only hope that excavation nations starts up again soon that brings us to our second theory. Did blackbeard hide his treasure in Bath North Carolina. We we know that. blackbeard took up residence in bath in late June. Seventeen eighteen after the queen. Anne's revenge sank. Some historians believe he maroon most most of his crew in Beaufort and took all of his plunder with him to bath. We do know that. blackbeard arrived in bath with a hefty amount of treasure. Was it all of his treasure. Sure we can't be sure that it is possible that he buried some of this treasure at his home in plum point in the summer of seventeen eighteen. And it's possible that blackbeard kept his treasure with him on his ships. BLACKBEARD was known for his extravagant parties and bath. The money to pay for those parties had to come from somewhere. He didn't have a legal job so it only makes sense that he was using his treasure to pay for his expensive lifestyle. BLACKBEARD lived in bath for the last six six months of his life until his death on November. Twenty second seventeen eighteen so he had quite a bit of time to hide his treasure. There are a couple locations near bath where he may have hidden his loot. It's believed that blackbeard's house was implying. Point an area of land that lies along the coastline of Bath Creek. no-one no one found any treasure at blackbeard's house in the immediate aftermath of his death on November twenty second and today no one knows for sure where his house actually actually stood but some treasure hunters believe that the ruins of a house and plumb point are the remains of blackbeard's old home. They suspect that blackbeard Mike Beard buried the treasure somewhere on the property. It's a reasonable theory. BLACKBEARD would want to keep his loot readily accessible. What better place to hide your treasure Azur than in your own home? By nineteen seventy-four treasure hunters had doug many holes around the ancient house in plum point. Unfortunately they found no signs of BLACKBEARD's treasure. But there's another place in bath where blackbeard might have hidden his plunder there used to be a mysterious round brick structure in a field near bath. According to legend this was a sort of oven that blackbeard used to make tar to seal the seams of his ships APPS and make them waterproof because of the legend. The place was dubbed teaches. Kettle teaches kettle began attracting attention from tourists and treasure hunters owners. Who hoped that blackbeard had buried his loss treasure somewhere in the field? Unfortunately the farmer who owned the field grew tired of the sizable crowds and and destroyed the kettle. And although a lot of holes have been dug in that field no one ever uncovered any signs of Blackbeard's plunder at this point it. It seems unlikely that blackbeard's treasures actually in bath. Otherwise treasure hunter would have found something significant over the course of three hundred years. Our third theory is that blackbeard's treasure is a North Carolina's ocracoke island whereas life came to a bloody end on November twenty. Second Seventeen eighteen after cutting off. BLACKBEARD's head British Lieutenant Maynard at his men were eager to seize whatever pirate treasure. They could find signed. They stated ocracoke until November twenty fourth hunting down any escape. Pirates and searching for loot maynard surged blackbeard's ship tip the adventure as well as the pirate's hideout on Ocracoke Island. According to Captain Johnson Maynard found quote twenty five hogs hogs heads of sugar eleven barrels and one hundred and forty five bags of cocoa a barrel of indigo and a bale of cotton in quote it. It was disappointing. Find Maynard was so disgruntled over the minimal loot that he sees an additional sixty hogs has of sugar from governor Edens home in bath. Incidentally the seizure of governor edens personal property marked the beginning of a legal battle between the North Carolina Governor and Virginia's Governor Governor Spotswood that continued on even after Governor Edens. Death in seventeen twenty two maynard made two thousand two hundred thirty eight dollars news by selling the seized goods along with blackbeard's ship the adventure. That's just over eighty five thousand dollars. Today's currency still manner or didn't find what he was looking for. It's possible he missed a cache of lewd. While I was searching ocracoke island if not maynard someone else should have found blackbeard's plunder by now ocracoke is only nine point. Six square miles and treasure hunters have had three hundred years to search the tiny island for pirate salute. Parts of the island are less than half a mile wide. You can stand the middle and see the ocean on both sides. There aren't that many places is to dig true but the Outer Banks of North Carolina are constantly changing due to hurricanes tides and climate change areas. That used to be inland blend are now beaches and places. The East to be underwater have become shoreline. It's possible that blackbeard's buried treasure is now hidden underwater. Maybe but it seems like maynard did a fairly thorough search of ocracoke. I don't think it's likely that blackbeard's treasure is on ocracoke island. I disagree with you you. It's extremely difficult to dig under water especially along coastlines and the treasurer even could have been buried even deeper or moved by the strong strong tides and shifting shorelines. Let's agree to disagree. Let's consider our forth theory. BLACKBEARD's treasure is in Burlington New Jersey. Easy this theory may seem a bit far-fetched this is probably. Because it's based more on the rumors that sprung up after blackbeard's death than on the facts surrounding rounding the final months of his life. We do know that. BLACKBEARD spent some time in New Jersey in the fall of seventeen seventeen and it's certainly possible that he stashed stash some loot away before he sailed south. But this particular legend about blackbeard's treasure didn't become widespread until the early eighteen hundreds decades after through the pirates death according to the legend. BLACKBEARD buried a treasure chest under a black walnut tree. At two one seven would street in Burlington. He also killed a Spaniard and buried the man's body upright above the treasure chest. A much more gruesome form of x marks. The spot definitely definitely this legend about the treasure chest was passed down among Burlington residence for over two generations and in nineteen twenty six florence steward. The property owner of two one seven would street decided to see if there was any truth to the legends on October. Seventh Nineteen Twenty six florence instructed several workers to dig holes under an ancient black walnut tree on her land known amongst the townspeople as the Pie. Retrea a gaggle of school children soon gathered at two one. Seven would street eager to assist in the Dick that very same day. The school children children found a human skull in one of the dig sites holes. The kids were thrilled. If this was the Spaniards skull then blackbeard's treasure must ostby underneath and sure enough. The laborers found something large and heavy in the whole they had dug. Perhaps it was blackbeard's treasure chest. Unfortunately unfortunately we'll never know for sure instead of handing the finding over to Florence. The workers quit and they took the mysterious object with with them. Maybe the workers did find blackbeard's treasure and decided to keep it for themselves. Florence evidently feared that her workers were stealing from her. She kicked dollar the volunteers out of our yard and asked the police to protect your property until she could hire new workers and come over herself to supervise the dig. The school kids kids were disappointed to be kicked off Florence's property but this wasn't going to deter them from digging for treasure on October Eighth Nineteen Twenty Six. They began digging holes in the yard of Florence's neighbor. Anna pugh only dug a few feet before they found more bones. The kids were elated. This must be the bones of the dead Spaniard. Unfortunately a veterinarian determined that the kids had merely uncovered a collection of cow bones. It turned out they were digging on the site of a former tannery. But that doesn't explain. The human skull founded two one seven would street a New York Times reporter order covering the excavation pointed out a possible explanation he wrote quote it is recalled also against the theory that the skull southbound on Mr Ritz property is a relic of the pirate days. That many Indians have been buried in that section and quote in other words. The BURLINGTON town's people eagerly digging pirate treasure were probably desecrating a native American graveyard. So there's a small possibility that Florence stewards words. Initial group of workers found blackbeard's treasure chest and stole it before quitting but it seems more likely that they actually found a valuable native American American relic and stole it from the ancient graveyard of all our theories. I think the idea that blackbeard's treasure is in New Jersey is the least likely to be true. I agree it's grounded in legend and not the actual events of blackbeard's life and there's no clear reason why. BLACKBEARD would leave a treasure chest behind a new jersey in seventeen seventeen before sailing south. Our final theory is that there's no treasure to be found and blackbeard spent most of his riches before he died. This would explain why Lieutenant Maynard and the other British soldiers were unable to find any valuable lewd when they searched ocracoke island and blackbeard's house in bath after his death on November twenty second seventeen eighteen. The first person to even even claimed that blackbeard had buried. Treasure was captain. Johnson and many historians believe the author exaggerated or outright fictionalized many of the tales sales in his pirate book. It's also significant that. No one has been able to find buried treasure at any location connected to blackbeard in over three hundred years. Yes according to Angus Costume author of BLACKBEARD. The world's most notorious pirate quote. It is highly unlikely that blackbeard ever berry. Ready to cash of money as he had no reason to even if he had the stash would have been a small one bearing no resemblance to the buried treasure of pirate fiction. Shen without any evidence to the contrary. We have to write off the treasure story as just another blackbeard myth end quote and fortunately gently. Our last theory is the most likely to be accurate. Though it's possible some treasure has been lost forever in the shifting sands around ocracoke. Most likely blackbeard didn't bury his treasure before he died. BLACKBEARD may not have left behind any buried gold but he left us another kind of treasure treasure. The wreckage of the queen's revenge so far archaeologists have recovered over three hundred thousand artifacts including cannons. Annan's medical equipment scraps of reading material and even a tiny amount of gold as we celebrate the three hundred years. Since the sinking of the Queen Ann's revenge Enj- We look forward to uncovering the remaining secrets hidden in the wreckage of BLACKBEARD's flagship. Thanks for tuning into gone. If you like the show you can subscribe for more episodes on Apple. PODCASTS podcast tune in Google. Play stitcher spotify or your favorite podcast directory. While you're there we'd really appreciate a five star review. It seems simple but it really helps our show you can tell. Is Your theories on facebook and Instagram at park cast on twitter at podcast network or at PODCAST DOT com. We'll be back in two weeks with another episode. Just because it's gone doesn't mean it can't be found L. gone was created by Max. 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Villainesses: Anne Bonny

Encyclopedia Womannica

04:22 min | 1 year ago

Villainesses: Anne Bonny

"Hello wonder media network. I'm jenny katherine and this is encyclopedia manica. Today we're heading back to the eighteenth century to meet a legendary irish-american pirate marauded across the caribbean are villainous of the day is an before we dive in. I should note that most of what's known about ambani's life comes from a book called general history of the robberies and murders the most notorious pirates britain captain charles johnson and seventeen thousand four. It's hard to know exactly how accurate great johnson was but it's his account that served as the basis for aunt's place in history so let's dive in an cormac was born born around sixteen ninety eight near cork ireland. It's believed that she was the child of an affair between an irish lawyer william cormac and a maid who was working for him following discovery of his infidelity william left his wife to custody of and moved in with an smother the three of them then emigrated from ireland to what it was then called charlestown and what's now called charleston south carolina and when an was thirteen her mother died of typhoid and was strong willed old. It's believed that she wants beat an attempted rapist so badly that he had to be hospitalized and when an's father pick demand for her to marry she adamantly refused post instead and married a sailor named john bani in seventeen eighteen annan john then moved to the island of new providence in the bahamas while all their john became an informant for the governor woods rogers an quickly grew dissatisfied with her marriage and started a relationship with the pirate known as calico go jack calico jack offered to pay and husband to divorce her but he refused sounds sort of insane now. Apparently it was common practice. At the time nonetheless in august seventeen twenty and left her husband she and calico jack commandeer ship and their joint pirating career began the two along with a dozen others parodied merchant ships along the coast of jamaica. It's unusual calico jack. Let an join him. It was is generally believed that women were bad luck aboard ships. Perhaps her determined disposition and utter fearlessness convinced him to norm while an didn't hide her gender from the rest of the crew on her ship. She did pretend she was a man while pillaging ships and participating in fights and calico jacks activities were noda's noticed by the governor woods rogers he sent a privateer captain named jonathan barnett them. The captain caught up with their ship. The william on november fifteen th seventeen twenty and another woman aboard ship in mary read caught our nets with fervor but the rest of the pirates were apparently apparently too drunk to be much help there were captured and brought to spanish town jamaica to face the consequences of their criminal activities all male members.

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Americas Maternal Mortality Crisis, Part 2

Katie Couric

46:33 min | 8 months ago

Americas Maternal Mortality Crisis, Part 2

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Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows subscribe now hi everyone. I'm Katie couric and welcomed to next question today part two of our look at America's maternal mortality crisis. If you haven't listened to part one I highly recommend you start there and it. We heard the devastating story of how one mother Cure Johnson became a part of a shameful statistic that between seven hundred and nine hundred American women die every year from pregnancy and childbirth related causes and sixty percent of those deaths including curious could have been prevented. Here's curious husband. Charles Johnson would happen to cure was not to some medical tragedy. A medical catastrophe everything. That could've went wrong in effect did so not only did that. Dr Phil Kira. But the hospital in their policies and procedures failed her. We learned that structural issues like racism and sexism as well as an increase in medical interventions during Labor have led more women dying from pregnancy and childbirth. Today than they did thirty years ago a fact that makes the US the only country in the developed world to see his maternal mortality rate. Go up today in part two. We tackle my next question but is being done to better protect American mothers from becoming a part of that horrifying statistic. She was told was a fluke. And here I was looking at these data points and saying she wasn't a fluke she was actually part of a really important trend that has not been covered in the US for investigative reporter Nina Martin. This question is a personal one in two thousand fifteen when she and her team at Propublica again reporting their loss mothers project. An investigation into maternal mortality. They found an alarming statistic that in addition to the desk there are fifty thousand women who nearly die every year from pregnancy and childbirth related issues. And we're not talking about like they have just as diabetes and then they cut back on you know whatever The the amount of sugar that ice cream that they ate in pregnancy. And then everything is. Okay we're talking about women who go to the hospital and go into cardiac arrest. We're talking about women who nearly bleed out. We're talking about women who have life threatening infections that keep them hospitalized for weeks and That was really super interesting to me. Both because of the size of again which really was not what people were talking about in the parenting magazine world that I had spent some time in but it also really connected with an personal level because My sister had Given birth I've I've a three foot. Three sisters three. Yeah and The oldest of five Nina Martin Sister Camille had given birth to a boy named aiden and Texas in two thousand. She and her husband both had good jobs. She was a paralegal. He was a lawyer and they had access to good healthcare. She was Very healthy had a really good pregnancy and she nearly died after her postpartum period. She had two very severe infections one. Which was they. They've caught in fixed to the hospital in the second one which nearly killed her. And I remember going in trying to help out at the time and how dead everybody was and then it was kind of over people said to her you know oh well you know. This never happened to anybody. We have no idea that we've never seen anything like this before. And and also Don't worry about it because you're fine now in your baby spine and go home and live your life and be happy that everything's Okay and so. Her experience was completely erased being a professional athlete. I just thought that will never happen to me. Olympic runner Allyson Felix became one of the fifty thousand women who nearly die from pregnancy related complications in two thousand eighteen during her pregnancy. She was diagnosed with severe pre-clampsia a condition characterized by high blood pressure. That puts mothers at risk for stroke among other things. The only cure for severe cases like Allison's is to get the baby out so it just thirty two weeks. She had to deliver her daughter. Cameron via Emergency C section. It happened so fast. She didn't even realize how much danger she was in during. And after the birth my family was definitely very concerned and I think that they were even more concerned than I was because obviously all of my attention was on cameron and I was consumed with how she was doing. And all of that but I was still having issues with my blood pressure and we were still trying to get that to be at a manageable level and so I was still in hospital for several days after both Cameron and I were together. and For several weeks I was still trying to regulate my own blood pressure today. Both Alison and Cameron are happy and healthy but the six time Olympic gold medalist is determined to not let her experience spear raced in May of two thousand nineteen. She testified at a House. Ways and Means Committee hearing about racial disparities in the maternal mortality crisis. I let me welcome this Allyson Felix United States track and Field Star Nine Time Olympic. Medalist going through this experience and just feeling so scared as I went through it all that was really the turning point for me and talking to girlfriends and just feeling like my friends are not even educated on this topic. It really pushed me to share my story. I'm a person who is more private and so it was definitely something that was out of my comfort zone. My Name is Alison Felix and I am Cameron's mom and I would like to share the story of the two most terrifying days of my life. What'S SCARY ABOUT ALLISON? Story is that she didn't realize anything was wrong until everything went very wrong. I had a really great pregnancy. I was I knew I wanted to come back to compete so I was training. I was pretty much training four or five days a week. I was on the track in the gym in the pool. So really intentional. With the idea that you know I was going to resume right back onto the track and at thirty two weeks I went into the doctor and I was just going for my routine checkup and so women and immediately when I came in I found out that I was spilling protein and from there. My doctor sent me straight to the hospital. For further monitoring and It was not going well what they were seeing and so I was admitted right away and I spent that night in the hospital. And that's when things really started to go downhill you know. I was diagnosed with a severe case of pre-clampsia and my blood pressure was through the roof. And you know the baby was not doing well and things happen just so quickly and I was trying to wrap my head around what was happening and trying to understand what was happening and from there after that evening the next day it continued to get worse and we realized that it was an emergency situation that the only way out it was to have an emergency. C. Section in to deliver so it was terrifying. You know if a so far from what? My birth plan was and Just trying to understand you know what was really going on camera way. Just three pounds seven ounces. When she was born and was taken to the nick you right away where she would stay for a month but in addition to worrying about her preemies day in and day out Allison also had to heal from her own trauma. It was obviously very difficult All of my energy and all of my focus was really trying to be in the nick. You twenty four seven and I was so concerned with everything that was happening with Cameron that I fell very low on that list. if it wasn't for my support system I don't know you know what if I would have taken so much care for myself. But my family really stepped up in You know made sure that I was going to. Doctors Appointments. Making sure that I was taking my medication Because I was still dealing with the blood pressure even well after I was released from the hospital so having Other people help me was Enormous because I was spending you know night and day in the nick you you could see how someone without means without a support system without good doctors or attentive. Doctors could really fall through. The cracks. Can't use so easily I mean I. I didn't deal with any postpartum depression but I just kept thinking. Wow if that had kicked in as well How could this have been manageable? I it's just so much that it can feel overwhelming and so my heart goes out to those two women who have to you know deal with these extra things on top of having a newborn in so many changes within your body. One of the biggest reasons allison has turned to advocacy is. She wants to get the message out. Her story can anyone story frankly. It's something she wished she had known leading up. I think that I was not prepared enough. I wasn't told what to look out for. I wasn't told that I was at risk. And so that's something that I wish had gone differently. Had I known beforehand what to look out for Just that I was at risk then I could have wrapped my head more around. You know a possible. Stay in the nick you and what that means and kind of all of these things but it was. It was terrifying to have to go through this ordeal and straight into you know I was still dealing with the symptoms In the after effects of what I had been through and straight into now. My daughter's in the Nikki. Oh and what does life there? Look like and I'm trying to manage all of that as well and when you say you were risks. What made you at risk for this. Just being a black woman that made me at risk and that is something that I didn't understand before you know I had heard but I know I'm a professional. You know I trained for a living. I'm healthy. I know how to eat right. I exercise throughout my pregnancy and I was Wanting to have this beautiful natural birth and so I just didn't think it would be me you know and that is just such a misconception that that I want to bring awareness to that. Women of color are at risk. According to the agency for Healthcare Research. Black women are at least fifty percent more likely to experience brake lamp. Sia Than White Women. The effects are also more severe and present earlier than in other races. Did your doctor. Every even mentioned the term pre-clampsia. I don't recall you know having that conversation in so that's pretty scary looking back. You know I would have loved to know you know. These are the symptoms. These are things that you really should pay attention to in. Just be on the lookout for. We'll tell us what those are. Because I feel like people listening can learn from your experience. So what are some of the symptoms of swelling swelling? Definitely one of the big ones. But I think what makes it also scary is that sometimes you don't have any symptoms and so I really feel like I fell into that category. I mean the swelling was one thing but other than that I felt really good and so that is really scary but Headaches can be a symptom along the swelling Also a rapid weight gain vomiting. So there are some things to be on the lookout for a but really more than anything consistent. You're consistent healthcare because once you go in to have your appointment and you see that you're spilling protein. That is an indicator Right there that something is not right spilling protein means protein in your urine so there's excessive amounts of it. Yeah and your urine. It's interesting do they understand why black women are at higher risk other than just the sheer numbers of women? Who experienced pre-clampsia yes. I mean I'm far from an expert on this but from my understanding that is what we need more research to be done and to be able to understand because some of the contributing factors that we know about you know not having as high of healthcare. We're seeing this happened in really privileged black women the onset reveals for the first time the harrowing emergency she had while pregnant with twins in two thousand seventeen beyond say also suffered pre-clampsia during her pregnancy and had to deliver her twins via emergency. C section. Tennis Great Serena Williams with Baby Alexis Olympia shares. Her heroin ordeal for Serena Williams. It was something else entirely. After giving birth via emergency c section. Serena had to beg staff to take her pain and her understanding of her own body. Seriously she nearly died first of a blood clot and then a hemorrhage if Serena Williams struggles to be heard. It's clear this isn't just a matter of access to good care. I think a big factor in it as well as having to advocate for your for yourself For some reason either at the tolerance of pain or black women's pain in general is not believed in. That is something that has to change. Do you think. Racism played a role in Europe. Your experience looking back I. It's really hard to pinpoint but I think that there might have been some of that. Implicit bias going on in my doctor's appointments previously. Why do you think that that the doctor whoever your doctor was was educating say a white patient more about this I think when when I look back I guess it definitely wasn't outright? That was not my situation at all but the fact that I that. This wasn't a conversation that it wasn't discussed especially as you said since you were at greater risk yes. I I feel like every woman of color you know immediately that you should be sat down and explained that you know this is something you're at risk for. Do you think. Had you not had the resources that you have had you not been an Olympic athlete. Had you not been able to get the the best medical care possible that? There's a chance that you might not be here. I think it's a possibility for sure. And that is what really is scary to me. And that's what really wanted me to open up in to share my experience in my story because I felt like I had the best of the best and I still ended up in a situation. That was really scary. And that we weren't sure about and if I'm experiencing this someone who might not have the best of health care or might not have even been heard to the level that I was might not have made it when we come back. How some states are managing to turn their maternal mortality rates around Hey everyone then bulletin here host of stuff. They don't want you to know in ridiculous history as a podcast. Does I am constantly reading and researching for upcoming episodes. But even I need occasional break so when I feel like I need some kind of mental pallet cleanser. My GO-TO REFRESHER IS THE MOBILE PUZZLE. Game best fiends. That's fiends not friends. Best fiends is a puzzle game. You can play right on your phone. It's pretty cool because you go through all these levels solving challenging puzzles that actually engage your brain but it's a casual game that anyone can play and it's actually Super Fun. The great thing about it is that it doesn't take much time but it's great because it fills up those moments where you wish you had something to do. You don't need an Internet connection to play so it's cool for when you don't have a connection. This game is also visually stimulating with these bright vivid colors and cute characters and best fiends updates the gay monthly with new levels and events so it never gets old best. Beans is a five star rated mobile puzzle game on the apple APP store and Google play. And you can download it right now for free. That's friends without the our best fiends. Now before the start of the show I was talking about Mabel Walter my grand kitties and how I love it when they visit my home but no matter how much I adore them. They won't be stopping by. They've got some unwelcomed guests tagging along. I'm talking about Fleas People Yep bloodsucking disease-carrying itch producing super jumping super gross flees. 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We met Deborah Bingham a registered nurse with the doctrine in public health who spent her career focusing on improving the health of MOMS and babies in two thousand six says the founding executive director of California's First Maternal Quality Care Collaborative Debra learned that California's maternal mortality rate had actually been going up way then sought permission to talk about this In small groups as we went around organizing the California maternal quality care collaborative. I would hear gasps in the room from the clinicians in that space. So that would be physicians registered nurses and midwives who were running hospitals leading And also public health leaders literally gasping at this was brand new news. Nobody had expected this. We did not think that it would be on our watch that we would see this rise. Deborah and her committee of experts reviewed three years of maternal deaths that occurred in the state and one of the things they found was that death by hemorrhage could often be prevented. We found that there was Quite a bit of denial and delay had led to these deaths Meaning that women were not D- severity of the hemorrhage was not recognized early. Enough they were not getting blood. Early enough Which is life saving obviously and And so a lot of our efforts became around how to eliminate this denial and delay how to better recognize hemorrhages. How To better prepare? What Deborah did was to help create a standardized action plan to help tackle potentially fatal complications like Hemorrhage Deborah refers to these plans as quality improvement. Toolkits or safety bundles. They can be implemented in hospitals in different ways but they typically include a checklist of the four R's or steps to improve readiness recognition response and reporting so that women receive life saving medications and treatments in time in addition to the hemorrhage safety bundle. There's also one for pre ECLAMPSIA and reduction of C sections. I think my years of being in a front line position in hospitals and actually running hospitals and knowing how busy you are in those in those roles Helped me put together a model. That would be very practical And also just kind of cut through a lot of referral information. And what would it take to actually really save lives? And what did people really need to do safety? Bundles also include preparation. Protocols like running simulation drills and huddling with staff and family as the mother is being admitted to the hospital to assess possible risks. She May Have California is One of the only states the has seen a rise in maternal mortality and also a decrease in fact The data shows that in a five year period That there was about a fifty five percent decrease in pregnant in in maternal mortality and that was unbelievably unexpected. That we would see that decrease so quickly back in two thousand six California's maternal mortality rate was just shy of seventeen deaths per one hundred thousand. Live births today that number according to an investigation by USA Today has dropped to four deaths in one hundred thousand. That's the lowest maternal mortality rate in the country and now other states are trying to follow suit. New Jersey has one of the highest national rates at thirty six point. Two deaths per one hundred thousand live births. Deborah Bingham has joined a team in New Jersey to turn that around. The initiative launched in two thousand nineteen is called Nurture New Jersey. New Jersey is a medicine Canada America and had some of the finest systems in the United States. First Lady Tammy Murphy is the driving force behind this new initiative. So my naive assumption. Was that this. All centered around access to prenatal care. And you know it became immediately clear after going on a listening tour all around the state and speaking with all stakeholders whether they d the hospital systems foundations nurses dulas midwives any stakeholders who are out there that the problem was much more complicated than I assumed The problem is truly if you're going to look at this. It's systemic racism and implicit bias and it brings in all the social determinants of health and so our goal is to Not Ellie reduce maternal mortality by fifty percent over five years but it's also to eliminate Racial disparities in birth outcomes. Tammy Murphy says despite the new challenges posed by the corona virus pandemic the work of nurture New Jersey continues and considering the fact that racial health disparities have only been exacerbated by the spread of cove nineteen. She says this work is more relevant and necessary than ever. There's good news for pregnant women and mothers all over the country at the end of two thousand eighteen congress passed groundbreaking legislation called the preventing maternal deaths. Act The law addresses one of the fundamental problems at the heart of the crisis the severe lack of reliable data about what actually kills American mothers. That was the a very important piece of legislation that Congress passed again. Nina Martin the set aside a lot of money for states to create maternal mortality. Review Committees to standardize them To make them much more robust much more helpful Much more efficient than they have been in the past. That's really incredibly important. A lot of states when we started this process didn't even have maternal mortality committees and now almost all of them do the ones that did have them have Improved to them. And so that's that's a huge change. We're learning so much from that process. Some states are also trying to tackle the issue of Insurance Medicaid finances. Nearly half of all births in the United States yet new mothers on Medicaid are only guaranteed care for two months after they deliver. What states are trying to do is to change the rules that allow women to continue to have Medicaid for the full year along with their babies postpartum and so that means you know a lot of support for mental health for substance use disorders for cardiac problems. All the things that we know are killing women in that first year. What we know from the from the data Is that most. Maternal deaths don't happen during pregnancy. They don't happen in the hospital. They happen Woman go home. They go. They happened in the postpartum period They happen you know. Sometimes it's a week sometimes. It's two weeks sometimes. It's a month sometimes. It's two year so it's incredibly important for women to understand that and for doctors and nurses and midwives and everybody to understand how risky the postpartum period is and also to give women the information that they need to be able to recognize concerning symptoms according to the CDC thirty six percent of pregnancy related deaths occur up to one week after giving birth and then another thirty three percent happen up to a year postpartum. And it's impossible to predict which women will suffer such fatal complications. Which is why Bingham says it's important that all women are educated on symptoms her organization the Institute for Perinatal Quality. Improvement is helping hospitals. Do just that. We actually made one handout called. Save Your Life Handout. Which outlines all of those post birth warning signs so that's to help empower women to know when to seek care compared to be ill. Nyu langone in New York. City is just one hospital that has put Deborah. Save Your Life handout to use as part of its postpartum discharge education. But sometimes it's hard for overwhelm new MOMS to absorb critical information about life threatening health issues so Nyu now sends family's home with a safer life magnet which reminds mom so the symptoms they need to be aware of. It's pulse birth. So P is stands for a painting your chest. Oh stands for obstructed breathing or shortness abroad as Stanford seizures and T. stands for thoughts of harming yourself or your baby could be. I really encourage all women that if they just aren't feeling like things are right to not give up asking for someone to intervene someone to look closer who not just ignore their symptoms. A lot of women are very good at ignoring their symptoms for most women. The first time they see a doctor is six weeks after giving birth which is why the postpartum period can be so dangerous. But there's a way to fill this alarming gap in healthcare according to Monica Malcolm more the reproductive health injustice researcher. We heard in part one. She says insurance can make room for other systems of support like midwifery. For example they see people three days postpartum. They see them seven days postpartum. They see them. Ten days post part there's more frequent visitation post-partum and also dulas Dulas are lay professionals in community that provide spiritual informational and physical support to pregnant people. It across the sea in my mind. They are essential member of the Healthcare Team. And we need to integrate team based care because those are individuals who can move with pregnant people through time as opposed to managing the time of birth which is a lot of what we do clinically there. Another pair of eyes to sort of help us keep pregnant people safe and alive and we need to own that at some point and figure out how to find it that the other crucial element here to keep mother's safe after giving birth is making sure they don't have to rush back to work. I like to remind people that we actually have no paid family leave in the United States. If people can have the time that they need knowing that they're not gonNA lose their job or did they don't have to go back to work to sing then we. We could go a long way in reducing maternal deaths in the postpartum period rate when Allyson Felix decided in two thousand eighteen that she wanted to be a professional athlete ANA mother. She was in the midst of contract negotiations with her longtime sponsor Nike. This time around. She wanted to ensure that she was protected. During and after pregnancy the way Athletic contracts are structured as a lot of it is performance space. And so you need to perform to a certain level or you will have a reduction in your salary. Obviously when you have a baby you need a bit of time to get back to top performance. in at at the time when I was negotiating. They were unwilling to grant that time. in other athletes had experience also when they became pregnant that their contracts were actually paused meaning that they were not receiving any pay at all and their likeness was still being used. They were still required to make appearances. They were still training with the intention of coming back. It's an issue that I had seen repeatedly throughout my career and the culture was really silence surrounding it. You know it was just something that women would go through and I got to the point where I felt like I had to speak on it. I had to share my experience Because things I felt like things would not change if I didn't Alison asked Nike to guarantee in her contract that she wouldn't be punished if she didn't perform at her best in the months. Before and after childbirth Nike declined in May of two thousand nineteen alison broke ties with Nike and wrote a powerful op-ed in the New York Times detailing her experience by the end of the month Nike announced. It would end financial penalties for pregnant. Athletes by July Allison signed with athletic and Athletic. Wear company owned by gap that wanted Allison explicitly for her outspoken advocacy. Are you proud of yourself for speaking up? I know that you have talked about your upbringing. You were raised in a very Christian family Probably taught to be respectful to respect authority to not be troublemaker. Etcetera Etcetera. So did it kind of go against your bring Alison to say. Hey this isn't right. I'm speaking out. Oh it was completely against win against the grain. It was So far out of my comfort zone. Not only you know. Am I more of a private person but everything you just mentioned with completely true for me and so it just felt very scary but after I did speak out? I the encouragement from so many people. really reassured me and more than anything. It was my daughter. You know. She's the one who helped me find my voice and it really when I thought about her life and her growing up in the things that I didn't want her to have to. You know fight for that definitely just gave me the boost that I needed when we return messages of empowerment for today's pregnant moms and their families. That's right after this everyone then bullet here host of stuff. They don't want you to know in ridiculous history as a podcast. Does I am constantly reading and researching for upcoming episodes but even I need an occasional break so when I feel like I need some kind of mental pallet cleanser. My GO-TO REFRESHER IS THE MOBILE PUZZLE. Game best fiends. That's fiends not friends. Best fiends is a puzzle game. You can play right on your phone. It's pretty cool because you go through all these levels solving challenging puzzles that actually engage your brain but it's a casual game that anyone can play and it's actually Super Fun. The great thing about it is that it doesn't take much time but it's great because it fills up those moments where you wish you had something to do. You don't need an Internet connection to play so it's cool for when you don't have a connection. This game is also visually stimulating with these bright vivid colors and cute characters and best fiends updates the gay monthly with new levels and events so it never gets old. Best feelings is a five star rated mobile puzzle game on the apple APP store and Google play and you can download it right now four free. That's friends without the our best fiends. Hey guys it's Jack. O'brien co-founder of cracked dot com and I host a twice Daily News and culture podcast with the funniest person. I know miles gray. What an owner. Money's tell them more about how hilarious. I don't tell them about my background in politics as a political operative or anything like that. Just keep going on about the funding. Wasn't going to okay. That's guys you can come get caught up on what is happening without feeling the life drain out of your soul at the daily Zeitgeist. You'll find us on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or WHEREVER FINE. Podcasts are given away for Free. A lot of what we face right now with. The Corona virus pandemic is scary but it makes them maternal health crisis and the inequities around giving birth in this country. More urgent than ever. It's important to share the stories. We heard so that we can honor those who have been affected and possibly save others from the same fate so here are some of the lessons from those who have experienced the unimaginable first allyson Felix. No matter who are educate yourself. You know be fully prepared. Have a birth plan. But don't be married to it for me. That was a big issue so understand that issues may arise and You know be willing to go with the flow but but educate yourself and be prepared and listen to your body right. I mean I think you even probably discounted the swelling you experience. Had you known you were at high risk? I think you would have said. Oh I need to call my doctor right away about this. I definitely I would have gone right in immediately. Had I known what to look for and like you said? Listen to your body and if anything doesn't feel right Make sure you're heard in. Don't stop be persistent. Are wished that I had understood walking in to the hospital that day that this was even a potential outcome from my wife again Charles Johnson. This never even crossed our minds. We had no clue and we consider ourselves progressive informed. People that women were dying. You know almost twice a day from childbirth in this country. I wish that I had known. Reporter Nina Martin says there's power in that knowledge. I think it's really important for people to know the worst case scenario possible. Because if you don't then you will not trust yourself. Beer advocates will not continue to push the way that they need to believe. What you're feeling in your own body and and then make somebody listen to you if possible or to help get your the help of your advocates to make them be listened and don't give up if possible because it really could be the difference between life and death tragically. There's only so much a mother and her family can too as we've learned sometimes all the knowledge and the support in the world simply isn't enough. That's the heartbreaking thing about. Charles Johnson story is that he pushed and Kira pushed and it wasn't enough but you know what if maybe cure we're still alive. And she were giving birth now. People would listen to her right because they would know that that this happens and you know it's that's the heartbreak of it but it's also what he's been able to accomplish in the work that he's done in the years since curious. Death Charles Johnson started a nonprofit dedicated to maternal mortality advocacy. Forty or four moms. It's an organization. I founded to honour cure as well as the tens of thousands of women that we've lost to this maternal mortality crisis in. So I truly believe that although there's nothing I can do to bring here a bag. The highest honor that I can pay her to do everything that I can't send other mothers hung with their precious babies for care for MOMS also helps provide support families left behind providing babies supplies childcare services legal support and even grief counseling because Charles and his young boys know all too. Well what that's like as they get older their understanding a grows and they ask questions and I do my best. I made a decision very early on that. I will do my best to celebrate here and everything that we do if you come into our home. There are huge pictures of her everywhere We deal with Mommy's memory head on we tell stories when prince comes on the radio we turn it up the full brassed and we say that you know. Mommy love this song. We'd go places we talk about. Mommy took you hear me watch racecar driving? Talk about how much mommy loves to race cars but it doesn't matter because still this immense void and it still doesn't prevent Charles from waking up in the middle of the night is crying. He wants Mommy. It doesn't prevent Langston asking the question. Why can't mommy come to my school and so I do my best to explain. That will mommy is in heaven you now. She's doing important work. But there's nothing that can prepare you for what it's like when you tell a two year old. Dad Mummies in heaven and he says to you Daddy. I WANNA go to heaven right that just rips your heart out of your chest and the end of the day of I can prevent one other father of having the conversation with their children than I have to have with mine. Then it's all worth it If you'd like to support families like the John Sends you can visit for Kara for MOMS DOT COM We started reporting the story long before cove in one thousand nine infected hundreds of thousands of people across the country not to mention millions globally. It's a public health crisis of historic scale and one that frankly. This country was not prepared. For what the corona virus pandemic will mean for the maternal health crisis. We may not know for a very long time but the fact is right now. Tens of thousands of women are giving birth in unprecedented circumstances sometimes alone and often without the support networks and in-person care. They need to stay healthy. Before during and after birth meanwhile Cova nineteen is only underscoring already existing racial disparities that put black and under served Americans at greater risk while it's terrifying to think of the damage this pandemic could do to the maternal mortality crisis. 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So I implore you I know this is an infomercial. Many of you have probably skip this message and are just waiting to get to the port with David Samson. I get it but a lot of people are working very hard during a tough time and I just wanted to give them some credit and promote them in hopes that you can give some of their stuff a try. Oh also one of the things that I've seen on message boards and on twitter that I don't think people really quite understand that the technical limitations of our shell wire only Stugatz to Dan and Mike Studio quality and then whenever you go to the rest of the shipping container. It sounds like they're talking into a tunnel. Well the reason for that is we have shots in his place and Dan. In our Miami beach offices we have these units called COMREX units that dialed directly into the Board in Bristol providing studio quality. Sound as you may understand with all the ESPN talents working from home. These are precious commodities these COMREX units. And we can't just give everybody a COMREX unit. A lot of talent needs the COMREX in order to be able to get the show done. I Know Sarah. Spain was waiting for certain units for quite a while and she hosts a regular show on. Espn so we're doing the best that we can. I apologize for the sound quality whenever we go to Roy Chris Anthony and billy I really do. I'm working on some technical solutions and waiting on call backs everyone obviously spread pretty thin and resources are limited as we got a lot of stuff out there as company. I just want to explain to you. I know that there are audio is is different. Trust me I've been doing this for awhile. I'm trying my hardest to make sure that it sounds as good as can and right now. The Best Possible Plan. I got is crudely throwing my headphones to my macbook in hopes of getting the timing. Just right thankfully. I think the last few shows that we've done haven't been bad. I think we're starting to find the groove and part of me is really scared that stugotz going to use this as an opportunity to never come into the studio again. So there's that onto this week's episode with David Samson he's the host of nothing personal with David Samson. You can catch his show and podcast just search. Nothing person with David Samson. He's a very revealing individual. Very polarizing. Look. I've been here telling you. I've told Davidson to his face. I'm not one of his biggest fans but he's content machine and as you'll see in this interview with them you ask them one question. That may not be that good and his answer is way better than the question the US so trust me this one's worth your time especially if you're marlins fan we seek out over some two thousand and three stories if you want to know the inner workings of that press in Wilson for one Pierre Mike Hampton trade. We get into that. He has a great story about Louis Casteel. That has to be heard to be believed so without further ADO. Here's this week's episode. With David. Samson the David Samson. Show here on the local hour of the Dan Le Batard show with Stugatz. Geico gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like your wife when you forget your keys at work and you get my text. I am looking for the spare Hausky. Maybe I can get through the window. Turns OUT THE ALARM WORKS? It works fast. You should probably call me back. Always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents. Let's get right into it with David Samson this week and always got a tighter wind. Obviously the big news with Major League. Baseball was the Jeff Passan report. That Major League Baseball is looking at moving all the teams to Arizona and playing in these antiseptic environments secluded. I It seems pretty far fetched and hard to implement but no games on TV. No Money David. Your initial take on all of my initial take is. There was a leak within baseball. That gave the story to Jeff. Passan Jeff Passan ran with it. I don't WanNa say irresponsible because if you've got that information you want to go with it. But the way he made it sound is that it was much further along than it actually was. The truth is during times of crisis the League gets together and you come up with all sorts of different plans and possibilities and the Arizona plan as they're calling. It is just one of the plants. It's a nonstarter as far as concern and it took. Mlb All of twelve hours to walk the entire thing back because they saw that the media had completely picked up on thinking that it was going to happen. And what you've seen in the days since is player saying you know. I just don't know how this can work. You've got media people in the media opinion makers and influencers saying this is not responsible and this was not a trial balloon. Mike and that's sometimes when MLB does this was not a purple tribal. Why is it a nonstarter for you? Because you cannot in any way guarantee that there will be enough testing to test every one of the players the clubhouse people the doctors the strength and conditioning coaches the hotel workers the bus drivers that broadcasters need technical people to put a broadcast on than any of the cleaners who have to come into the clubhouse this supply chain of the detergent that gets delivered to the clubhouse. There's be testing of these people every single day and right now from where I sit. People can't get a test anywhere so that's just the first thing that has to happen. And that's not talking about playing in Arizona without a roof during the course of the summer and having the players away from their families for four months. We're not talking about that at all. What did you make some of the reported details the seven inning games double headers the using minor league facilities? The my favorite was having the players. Sit in the stands. So they're adhering to social distancing but I WANNA PLAY GOES ON FIRST BASE. We throw that away What did you make us some of those details? I made one of the funniest jokes. At least to me. It's hard when you're in front of it no studio audience when I do nothing personal. You don't get a laugh but for me. I was thinking about pop ups. There's no reason to call off anyone because you have to say six feet apart in the field. So if it's in your general direction what we would do is draw those crop circles. And that's your area and you can't leave your area and if the ball comes to that area it's your ball and if not you can't leave and I was thinking about tag place. There's no hidden running which is perfect for baseball. Now because you just grip it and rip it and wait for the three run home run but the umpire is my favorite one. No umpire behind the plate. The catcher and the batter will be right there but the umpire. No we'll be like literally stand behind the pitcher one of the things that I think is lost. Generally on the sports fan base ball is by far the most disgusting sport those poor those players care so little about hygiene and where they spit. It is just generally the grossest sport you're going to have to have like a systemic change to their culture so the funniest thing in baseball in eighteen years for me after almost every game I would attend definitely every road game and really almost every home game. I like to walk into the Dugout at the end of a game. What you see in dugout would knock your socks off. It's not just spit and sunflower seeds and tobacco. It is some level of grime and garbage with bubble gum stuck inside tobacco with coffee and red bull and sunflower seeds and spit. It's incredible actually. Yeah it's caked onto the floor of every dugout after every game. Miami grimy at a perfect way to describe it you touched on it and I don't know how much we've talked about. Just sort of how the game has evolved but in two thousand and three one of obviously my favorite baseball team of all time because of just the story World Series Championship. I was in high school. It was perfect but I love that style of play small ball even though Jack mckeon he ended up being right but he may he would make some Kooky decisions managerial decisions. Had more of an emphasis on it. Do you miss those days of baseball? Well we just had the right players. I remember when we traded for one Pierre. We wanted him at the top of our lineup and matching him with Louis Custodio. We felt like we had good enough pitching and we felt that. Louise's defense you put one peer in center field speed at the top setting up for pudge and eventually who we thought would be Miguel Cabrera but at the time we did it was for Michael Derek. A and we knew. I don't think I've ever mentioned this game. One of the world series against the Yankees the first batter top of the first one. Pierre gets on custodio steal second custodio gets them over pudge. It's a sacrifice fly. Were up one. Nothing we looked at ourselves. I was sitting right behind third base. I was sitting with the vice chairman of the team. And I said we're a better team than the Yankees. We could win this series because the Yankees were still shell-shocked sort of from that Emotional Two Thousand Three lcs when boon hit the home run but we were a better team than they were. I remember that moment. It perfectly encapsulated. What the marlins season is all about. And as soon as sort of right away you knew that. Oh Yeah. They're in the pinstripes but we can win this thing so it was a really cool message. Was I want to touch on custodio and go back to Pierre? But was there ever any sort of internal discussion to have Louis? Cassia stop being a switch hitter and just bad exclusively from one side now because now funny you should ask that we would talk about it from time to time internally and we would joke with. Louis was a very sensitive guy and I still see him. He lives in South. Florida lives in the plantation area. He tries to run me over when he sees me running in the neighborhood and he always has his dog with him. And we'll stop and we'll talk and he ate yours is Samson they right. That's because I don't. I'm sure he doesn't know that I'm David. And Louis St. Oh is is. You can't really tell him what we're GONNA do because the time between you tell them what we're going to do and then for him to do it. He will already forgotten what you told him. We learned we never gave him my tanneries. So every player would have an itinerary of what time the plane with leave where we're going what to pack etc. Not Not Louis. We actually had someone assigned to get him to the airport on time to make sure he had the right clothing. He never knew what city he was in. He would actually ask us. He'd be happy wiki. Call me PAPI too. Poppy where are we? I said we're in Milwaukee Man. He's like okay. Bobby Okay PAPI. Like damn he just he never knew and the number one St Story is. We noticed that back. Then you can either do direct deposit or we would actually give a physical check and leave a check in the players club house in his locker and a couple of weeks went by and then a couple more weeks went by. I get a call from someone in the finance department. Hey we got a problem. Custodio is not depositing his checks and I said well. What do you mean said well? We're showing last two. Paychecks have not been deposited. All right. I'll take care of it so I call Larry the GI said. Larry we gotta go down and we gotta deal with Louis like. We don't know if he lost the money or what he did because that's he wouldn't know whether he had an extra million not a million he didn't know is in number. He had no bankcard. He would take the meal money we gave him. That was the cashier would use. And if he didn't lose it playing cards then he would use it for food or pays room service bill to went down. And we said Louis where your paychecks. He said poppy the right ear. And he showed US paychecks that were for more than a million and a half dollars and I said Louis. Why aren't those in the bank? And he said happy there in the bank and I said Louis. You have to deposit them. He said poppy extract. I said Louis you never signed up for direct deposit. She said poppy. That is that is a much better answer than my boring question of. Hey did you ever discuss if you just hit from one side of the play? Mikey I was raising. I appreciate it much better answer. One Pierre was a very interesting roster move because I was one of the first times. You guys sort of waited into the waters of an unpopular trade press. Wilson was a popular player down here. I actually even. Though I was younger I was smart enough to know the sort roster that you guys were building. I thought one Pierre was perfect with it despite the baby arm and Centerfield. What can you tell us about that? Press and Wilson Pierre Trade. It was more than just Preston Wilson. There was Charles Johnston involved to wisdom marlins icon and Dave Dombrowski who was the GM in the in the the only GM for the franchise history to that point had signed Preston Cj to long-term deals. And when we were looking at the team and doing the franchise swap we gotta look at all of the marlins contracts and we started. We were still with the expos time but we started thinking about the Marlins team for. Oh Two oh. Three or four. We had a three year plan. And the first thing we had to do with see whether there was even a chance that we could get rid of Wilson and and Johnson's contracts. Because we knew that Wilson would play in Denver because of his swing and his power and his speed. We thought that we could have the rockies be attracted so we wouldn't give him Preston unless they would take. Cj CJ had a no trade clause and CJ was my neighbor. I moved into a neighborhood and he lives three houses away so I'd been introduced to him as a neighbor coming into Florida. Being the president of the team then I found out and knew that he had a no trade clause so he would not waive his no trade clause to leave Florida to go to Colorado. If we didn't give him a million dollars and I went to see Jay how that work. How does that work? Because if you have a no trade clause you're in charge that's why we don't give no trade clauses until Giancarlo Stanton ten years later basically never gave no trade clause because of Charles. Johnson's no trade clause. Is this a normal demand? Is I feel like this is some sort of collective bargaining in infringement. How do you just give someone a million dollars? You rework a contract and you just pay them up front consideration the consideration is if I give you a million dollars will you wave your no-trade clause so every time. We see cash considerations in a trade it's usually paying a player off no so often cash considerations or like a dollar when you see cash or a player to be named later or cash like some of the great players. We've gotten cody Ross. We got for a dollar wasn't West Holmes famously. A dollar right so no in this case you go to the player really the player agent and you say hey. We're moving Charles. And if he doesn't WAIVE HIS NO TRADE CLAUSE. I hope he enjoys Florida. Because he's not gonNA play. We will not play him. We will sit him on the bench. She will not get one APP at the entire year. It's up to you if you want to stay in Florida with your family and your career will show a zero in two thousand and three you make you make the call and he said million dollars and we said you know why we're going to swallow hard and do it. We gave him. The million traded him and getting Pierre was critical but in order for them to take on Johnson and Wilson they had to give us Mike Hampton. Remember that Guy Yes I was going to be my next question I was GonNa ask you is that the Mike Hampton deal. I believe it is Mike. Hampton was a guy who went to Denver because of the Great Denver School System. He was so excited when he got signed as a free agent with Denver retook the podium. In what is my favorite press conference of all time. And he said my wife and I chose to play for Denver Colorado rockies because they have the best school system in the country. Denver OFFERED HIM MORE MONEY. He got like eight years one hundred million dollars. It was the greatest overpay history. He would've played for. The South Dakota sooners and home schooled. His kid but in any case Mike Hampton also had no trade clause but Colorado would not take on Johnson unless they would give us Hampton so we call my camps in and we say hey we want you to pitch for us in two thousand and three. Will you wave your no trade clause? I'm talking to my canton on the phone. A three way call. We've got him his agent among with Larry and Hampton says. Hey It's good to meet you. I like what you guys doing down there. But I'm really not going to waive my no-trade clause to go to Florida because I wanNA play for a winner and we said okay mic. Could you do me a favor and tell us the teams that you're willing to play for because debt Colorado didn't care they said if you can't get him traded then forget it? Mike candidate submits a list that includes the Atlanta braves. Because at that time they were huge winners they were thought to be the leader of the NFL. East we call it the braves and we trade. Mike Hampton to the braves for a guy named Tim Spoon bargain and as we would have taken a bag of balls as long as the braves took on some of Hampton salary so Mike Hampton salary was paid by the Marlins the rockies and the braves we got Pierre and spooning bargain and the rockies got Charles Johnson and Preston Wilson and that is a big went down. That's incredible spooning bar. Actually had really good stuff but he just could never get healthy. Mike Hampton actually ended up having a couple more good seasons but the joke was ultimately on him because he didn't want to go to a winner missed out on one of the great marlins pitching staffs of all time that one of my camping Mikey after years and years later and we had a laugh. Because it's a good story right. Which is how do you really know? Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith. We all have a ring. Mike Hampton does not and he recognizes and. He said. I made a mistake. I had no idea that you guys would turn into what you did and I said neither did I. But why not take the leap with US? Man Fitting that when your time is limited. I have so many questions. Because I want to talk to you about the you had to make and inserting Michael. Back in the lineup. After Miguel Cabrera to such a good job and I'm sure there's very interesting internal discussions that you guys had but we're running out of time with you. So hosts of nothing personal with David. Samson you review a movie with us every week. What is your review this week so I talked about it a little or nothing personal yesterday but I wanNa talk about it to you because I'm trying something new during these times quarantine and I've been made fun of his sinophile. I have my top one hundred list and the oldest movie on that list is probably an animal house from late seventies and so it was suggested to me by many people over the years many of your loyal listeners. People who get the show that why not watch some old movies. So I watched citizen Kane the other day really. I had never seen it as from nineteen forty one at stars. Orson Welles Paris yes. It's it's recognized I think. Afi ranked it as the number one movie when they did their top one hundred films of all time and I'm embarrassed to say I haven't seen citizen Kane start to finish so I'm taking advantage. It's funny you say that. Does that mean you've seen it to start and then you didn't finish now. I've seen portions of it like on Turner Classic Movies just being a thirty four year old. You see bits and pieces and I know like I know the ending because it's an iconic film but I've never seen it so to finish now so I had no idea I knew the line because it's a famous line that ends the movie. I didn't realize that's the line that starts the movie and I had no idea what it meant. I actually thought it was sort of from Shakespeare. Gather Ye Rosebud while he may. It turns out. Not Orson Welles nuggets about Orson Welles that I wanNA share. He was twenty six years old when he wrote produced directed that movie twenty six years. Old and mortgaging much better. Now forget the fact that when you were twenty six who what twenty six old filmmaker right now is getting nat ability in Hollywood to take the reins of film. It's once in a generation secondly I went back and I looked at the cast. Their several cast members from citizen Kane who were born in the eighteen eighty S. How which blew my mind right thinking about the fact that it was from nineteen forty one and if you're sixty years old in that movie and there were plenty of older people in that movie they were born only twenty years after Lincoln got assassinated well so your takeaway from what is recognized. As the greatest film of all time my takeaway is that it does not make my top one hundred. The reason that does not is that I am absolutely prejudice against movies where I don't feel like it's a part of me is the same way how people look at my favorite movies of the eighties. People who were born in the seventies or eighties. Look at my favorite movies in. They say like say now most fire one of the great movies. You've got people watch it now and it just doesn't translate and when things don't translate it's like when you're on vacation farmland and you buy a piece of clothing that you think you love because you love it when you're there you bring it home you put it on you leave the house. Come right back in the house. Take it off and never wear it again. Like when I bought a cowboy hat when I was in Houston and San Antonio and then walking around Las Olas with a cowboy hat. You say wow I thought this would look better so I- citizen Kane's a great movie but for me it was not. It just doesn't make my list but I'm proud that I've seen it and I'm going to start watching some older movies. So I can broaden my cinematic arises David. I'm really upset that we have to let you go. It's a bummer. Because this week was good and I have so many questions. I'm glad we can agree at the end of this program. That you wearing a cowboy hat in Las Olas was indeed a bad. Look so David Samson. We will talk to you next week. Thanks Mike.

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Local Hour: Juan Pierre

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Local Hour: Juan Pierre

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All birds has made the environment a stakeholder in their business. Because when the planet wins, we all win with new all birds tree Dasher feel confident knowing that you can run hard and tread light on the planet. Find Your parents Albert's Dot Com. Today I'm really excited. Chris I think this is. In the history of the local are I think this may be one of our biggest guests that we've ever had. We're joined today by none other than want peer, who world series hero Marlins legend. Would you say your Morals Ledge? Oh No, no chance I. Guess Co nine Charles Johnson Maiden I think CJ. Thousand Legends Man I. I didn't do that much, but luckily for the Marlins Fan. It's always good to JP's report of a cool thing. The marlins were doing tonight. They're having a virtual chat presented by Budweiser Tonight at seven PM. On more ORLANDS. Youtube page YouTube dot com slash marlins. At marlins on facebook, it's kind of like a reunion of the two thousand and three world champion Marlins, and that's also going on at the same time Fox for Florida's rearing game, six of the two thousand three. World series. And they can fans can join the conversation with people like want here. We've got CEO Jeff. CONAN taught halls. Rick Directly Mike will a bunch of more or less. They'RE GONNA, be auto, which is a cool thing. So. Thanks for joining us today. JP No, no links avenue. Is always good to talk about the good pass. Do you can't do you stay contact with a lot of your teammates from them or no, don't trill. talked to him probably two three times a week, but the other ones I do outrun. They, Miami Alex are run into my lulls some Tom that field, but like daringly atop to Brian onto twice. but other than that Nada you. Don't you know what I mean you run, ask them, but then like having everybody coming together like this I think he's GonNa. Be Pretty Cool. I can't believe 'cause you don't look like you've aged day. Since the two thousand three more. You look exactly tales yet. GotTa stay stay right. They can't give me today like consumer. Seventeen I run workout stuff with him. It's hard to believe that it's already been seventeen years since that happened. obviously as a marlins fan growing up, that's one of the highlights that in ninety, seven or two of the biggest highlights. No more lives in terms of fandom and I remember what a problem you casteel were at the top of the going back and forth. You guys. One of you would get on base than poetry. Just drive you in because you get on first base than you steal second and third, or you'd get on first, and then you know sacrifice to get you over the budget. Get ahead like down the line, or even like an insult hit and I feel like you'd score from first on an infield hit. So how often do you guys like? Is that something that you guys remember fondly Madison? Where would you have bad memories of it? Not Yet? Yeah, yeah, you always end up being around baseball field accountable Econo- pops up and now with the craziness we ended shown a lot of the old games. Now to me is pretty cool because I. Never Watch the game by here. The commentator, the fans you know mean I never sat down and wise, but going to sign a major watch with my kids. My when warn you know at the Thomas? So. It's GonNa. Cool to to to to relive that stuff and I still get goosebumps talking it because where we started the season into where you know ultimated winning the World Series in Yankee Stadium. Is Crazy and I was just telling someone fans. We brought the fans in because it will. It was like the Marlins and the fans like came together. You know what I mean it was like. A family type deal. Were you know because we're in a? In the community you know me and don't. We'll go to Walmart hanging out. You know what I mean by fruit with some people. Novon. Shopping. Of course I shop at Walmart. Best. Be You know what I mean? But that's the type of stuff I think in. Came along with us, and it was just a fun right now. You are a guy who you were known for your stolen bases leadoff hitter. Get on base. You always had the green light I assume I assume there was never a time in your career. We didn't have the green light. Now. What comes with that is sometimes you're gonNA. He wrong and get caught stealing and get your team out of an inning. Story in your career of guy who got the most frustrated with you because you happen to get thrown out and got him rain at random out of an inning Oh Jack mckeon. Out? Wrigley Field One day. Out I forgot what year was stolen or try to advance or some any say? What are you doing out there? Jesse Owens could need made it to that based. On Jack Jack. My goal wasn't to get thrown out. You know what I mean how? But Yeah Jack Dachsie about upset because every to go, but sometimes he would be like man. What were you doing right this? Yeah? Again. You can steal whenever you want. Just be safe all the time. That's a tough way to live now. The craziest place you've ever seen. Jack mckeon lineup up stogie. Where he was. So we used to go to church on Sundays going to season this stuff in, he was smoked all the way up until he gets the church in India put it on the ledge outside of the church, and he wants searches over comes and picks it up. At the jerk, valid act, you'll leave it out there a good thirty forty five minutes, but yeah that and the busy I loved when he's walk in exercise, smoking a cigar, l.. Dollars as you walk around. The feel exercises. are Jack you're man from? JP You are probably we were saying before. How you're one of the greatest forums, Everhart, Legend and you. You dispute that now I don't think you can dispute that. You're one of the most fun marlins ever to watch. Just because of the fact, they always had the green light and you famously another. There's a video of you before the world series. Take the field a couple hours before you just rolling the ball down the line to see how it is. The ball would play now I. Don't know if you know this. You and I have something in common. We were both incredible punters I used to go by billy bunt. I was on Seattle. Mariners coach coach Lazzaro undefeated on of. Of you heard of us, but we were both great bunkers. We kind of set the table. Get on base now. It was a little bit different than because this is when I was like nine or ten years old to no one knew how to feel the bunt, and I was of just too small to hit, so they'd have me bunt, and then they're just be errors, but I feel like you and I were on the same page, and I'm wondering baseball right now, not a lot of bunting going on, and I'm wondering why that is in your opinion on justice statistics of behind the stuff you know everybody's plan for the loan ball and on s was funny watching the Marlins. Game One game six I. think dared lead. He's like four. Follow headed thirty one home rather he sack. Bud I'm like you never see that right now. You know I think the game. The game is played on 'cause a one interview and they said we hit like. One home run in the in the world series, or maybe to in life in the playoffs we didn't hit like maybe two or three home runs as a team or minority applicants It was some number where it was like a low on run mark, but we ran the basis. We did all the little of men in all, and that's going to be because I think in Miami is the only city with fan walls at really embrace that from me because nobody even knows the game I. I played wherever team played on there like the guy that hit the home run got all the the pub which I much wealth year, but fans really enjoy base run in the Bun and stuff like that, and that blew my mind so but yeah. I don't know why I don't know why you know I used to do. The bus station at Spring Training Marlins now with the pitchers mostly visit I'll tell them I'm like will be here another year, so get ready for. The ages sure now this year they play everybody's GonNa have at the age now JP, two thousand and three. That's just like my heyday. I'm thirty three right now. So this is like that was in high school is just my heyday and if I text my marlins group chat right now and I stay Marlins walkup songs the first one. They're coming back to me with. Is We ready? WOMP year that I'm. I'm telling you man I loved that Walkup Song. I don't even know if you realize how popular it was with fans I just take me back to that. Like what made you choose that song? Did you realize that the fans loved that song as much as they did? Welcome song was physically being not guys changed every other at-bat now, but back then like whatever you got like you stick when you. It's it's a big process in all these listening you working out man. You're doing all this stuff, so it's. The world of Song is really big enough. We. BLAME THE FOOTBALL STADIUM ALMOST Last Wow, and of course I mean abortion. We had fan so you really. You really hear loud and oriented today to this aggravated. He game or something like the we really might. I didn't know affect having fans. And you? Kind, what billy spoke before about going out rolling the ball? You were very. You kept your same routine. And I remember seeing you, you would stand in the same spot like when the pitcher was warming up and you'd have your routine with swing. It was the same exact spot same exact every time I stayed you. The the strangest daily routine like something that you did every day that made you. You know the player that you were Oh. Man I. I mean I was really meticulous, waited like I had been cage from like to the two third. You know what I mean. Everything was like broken down like to the minute for me. Moonlight out on. Feel like at six thirty. To warm up and stuff and give me ten minutes I was just came second nature. You know what I mean, but like even coming up to the plate like to the two step for winning at means, so it was it was. Noted that because I noticed and the two steps I'm telling you. I copied because I. Played. High School Baseball I emulated that I was like I. GotTa have the routine man got to do the same thing. Every time you step into the by every Tom, and the reason is because it was to get my hands mood, sometimes skew suicide with due to just to get my hands with the two steps, so it did have some meaning bonnet, but yeah in the. Ready Set the tone for the further teens that we were playing like when I was leading off the game. All right guys you in south. Florida you in hot foot Joe. Ravi player whatever it was all back in hot one hundred against about the rain here. We call it the fishbowl back then and we bought. We got a five thousand fans. We've been bring it to you guys. What was it like in the world series and the playoffs? Because I obviously more of we were there in the five thousand fans gains at five thousand, sometimes generous wouldn't get to the world series in the platform sixty five thousand You're playing. Playing against Roger Clements in every pitch is like everybody's taking pictures because you think it's going to be. His last hadn't even seen a hit that I was watching the game the other day with it in like watching a fan. I'm like I was thinking. How did we do that hunting? You play like that like the people thing because all season long colby and We'll have old conversation out here now boggled. GotTa gotTA. He can't hear me. I can't like this is not normal, right? You so it was a good feeling i. mean we just excited for vans? GEICO's the fans something to cheer about some latch onto in the. It was special ed because how we came from the first ball. Me Winning the world series is kind of like how Miami's Bill Miami's bill with a lot of people that advocate how they live. You know people that you good. Stuff like that works stuff handy tool, so they gotta make way for yourself, and that's kind of how the MARLINS team was kind of out of bugs. All the nobody even knew. The players on the team so one thing that I remember fondly from that run also was when you guys clinched the wildcard clinch the wildcard at home, and they had kind of a cool thing that day when you guys did was like a celebration in a tent, like almost in the parking lot with the fans and you guys were like running out. You're all hyped. You had like the Champagne. Everybody was going crazy, right? The one of the things that I remember the most from that whole experience was Aj. Burnett was out that season. I think he had like Tommy John Surgery or something. He was like he was having a lot of fun that day, and at one point he took off his shirt. He had to pierced nipples. He was like waving around his shirt on. The champagne was going crazy. What's a story like that? The fans wouldn't see that it's like yeah. This person was kind of crazy in our clubhouse. Aj was a huge like my locker mate, so he was actually the Princeton to every day at the check. My shoes make sure he didn't put like a spider or Salman there of. Any brand pity, Josh begging AJ names like all the rednecks team, so they used to hunt fish all the time, so they will fishing after the Games in one day any like Baby Alex. So Gaza their shower. He puts the baby alligator in the shower. You didn't see so many guys run out of that thing so. What! Will made the allegation. You know Gosh our you might be shared. By is Clo- euro in a baby alligators in showers, knows shower stalls. Shower up and I'm like. What are you doing? So I, remember that really Josh Beckett Always Long Golf Club in the clubhouse. After repeatedly, telling them not to do it, he always had slim. The ballclub in the Clubhouse, a tearing notes w would hit all kinds of stuff. Wait Poland swing a golf club hitting a ball now. Even in of all he was just not measure out the doll between her. And all that stuff we, we had a collection of guys not yet. Don't trill Biggie. The young bucks that came on and and really energized our team. You know me we're did out of town got through Jack came in. Did his thing so? Aj was one of the. Definitely on team amongst many. Right JP is going to be Portland. You mentioned penny that both can be part of a virtual chat presented by Budweiser beginning seven PM Tonight Moe Monday nights on the marlins YouTube page dot com slash marlins at Marlins on facebook. You can also watch the clinching game. Six of the two thousand three world series at Fox Sports Florida. You mentioned don trump so you dontrelle became tight throughout the year he was brought up in the middle of the season. He was a rookie and it was a phenomenon DON ROMANIA! He went in a couple of stars from unknown, selling out and selling like forty plus thousand when he's pitching against Randy, Johnson is He really the catalyst him Cabrera what got things going for? You guys as a team, because not that you weren't together, but it was. You got rid of tour board. You brought in Jack. Everything just seemed to click right around the same time yet the. That boost we needed. You know what I mean. Those guys are energetic like said not true. May also I always tell us? Ben Units of came up with social? Media! Being like. Man You'd like millions of followers and stuff like that, but you know he. He brought attention. This model is baseball by. We didn't push it. All being denied he bitch, new home in ages showed showdown school usually. Miguel? He was just a few meetings. Urge getting hit the walk off home. Run against. As Center and I remember one store when the League he's up like a couple of weeks, so he strikes out on breaking ball. You Know Meziane my own. Kind of young. You'll get a mental note, bobby. He told me that pitch again. I hit a home run home run. Easy rose now up here up next at bat breaking ball home run. I'm like. The truth up here by you can be all boys. He's like you know me and him back. In the world series dating Roger Clemens out he's had. He's one of these Ikea Holes. He's is just hit the ground running. They never stopped hitting and never been just been dominated old career now as a baseball player I assume you're. Superstitious. Six now I've said many times to billy and other people on our show that I am a big part of the game four game winning home run by Alex Gonzalez. Series now I was sitting in my seats for like the whole game and we were struggling. The marlins were in a Rut late night game. We didn't have a bunch of runs, so what I did was I was like you know what I'm going to go up to the concourse and watching this happening from there and I did that and outs. Gonzales hit that home run. Can you please tell billy that I had a vital part of that I? As, vital man. That's been a team player as leaving St. Teams actually while they're in, do switch it up. We had the squid Patton. He had a big party. None claimed at Mattel. Alex Win the Monday Monday I'm gonNA. Tell dollars hundred the home. A man took one for gene left. You see I know. It was hard right. He was getting food or go to the bathroom something. JD, WHO's not getting for that? I was a little kid at the time was mom. I'm going up there. I'm just watching it from there. I need to change this up enough of this, but what kind appearance you have, but let you wander on the concourse by yourself. Well, I also I. Don't believe that you're Alex Gonzales. That on Monday. UNLESS, WE'RE GONNA. We're GONNA tune in Monday seven o'clock more to. Eight people there I get a chance what? Bowl guard. I'm GonNa tell I know that. They're going out with about the homeless. I'm going to one when they ask Alex about the home. Run on the Youtube page. MARLINS DOT com slash marlins seven o'clock on Monday. Check it out and see if JP because I. Really don't believe that you're gonNA. Look when you guys were there and you haven't seen them in a while, and you're going to be talking about different things. You're not be thinking about Chris you're thinking about this homerun. You're going to be thinking about that is i. see it on his face. Billy. You're wrong. He is either. He froze or Face. Well I think we might allows connection with J.. P. For a second. You cut it off. Duty it was so funny like it looked like you were just staring at billy like I'm going to tell them billy. Rose. y'All stared. It'd be too, so I'm. Like you, GonNa cut the interview ally so JP. You have one of the more interesting careers in the aspect of your a guy that you received MVP. Votes at points in your career. Then you also had stat heads, saying that this is a leadoff hitter. He doesn't walk enough. I heard Tim Kirk and say you have the most hits of any player of all time. That never made an all star game wondering when you hear all those things. How do you evaluate your career? Are you upset that you never made it all started I mean coming from a country boy from Louisiana man like for me to get one day in the big leagues was like. I never would have dreamed of you. Know what I mean so anything on top of that world series hit. Onus you know, maybe I'll take pride in my game, no doubt but when people say that. In my career I tried to walk more and do August up, but like the Costa I do not want this going to steal the bay. So that's one thing. I wish I could have done was make the all star team because I had when I was Barry Bonds. Andrew Jones Jim Yummies like some some studs man, so when you look at it that way I was, it might disappointed in deputy world series ring over also. What's the year? Though I know there's gotTa be one year that you're like I should have been in all star that year old, four, zero four. That's coming off the world series. I'm like Nah I was like like three. Whatever twenty nine at the break we're like forty bags. Yeah, a heroin! Colorado's like Oh to. I knew I wasn't gonNA. Get it because nobody watched the rock. Band might be three thirty at the rate. We all mean, but that was the time where you just had stars out there, but. That the to no-one old in Oh four I'm like man I thought. I could've could've snuck it near somehow somewhere now I don't have statistical data to back this up, but there was nobody better in major league history at having the at bat sequence of foul ball strike to foul ball, foul ball, foul ball, foul ball ball to foul single like you're the king at just having long at bats. Were you never got to like a two ball count? It was insane. An opportunity live that. That my brother plan was balling backyard. You know planned. Strike out like you that make contact. That's why I kinda grandma's strike out. Hundred Sixty, two hundred Tom Leykis you strike that much, not be ashamed like we can. Embarrass struck out that much back in the day, but I was watching. The cubs named the Bartman ball game instead stuff like leading off with more car when I got hit down. The line is I'll wa- foul wall. God Forbid Foul Ball my all right this hit. Album, or this one in foul ball so. That me Louis at the talk. Louis was the same way Louis rows even better at it than me, because Louise to draw more walks than I did so Abbas both at the top were like really couldn't strike out. We're going to battle you in the about time. You got the clothes. We wore you down. And then that was all game plan, but yeah I do remember that like him, not striking out in. Trying to get a big ditch the it, what was that Berman League game for you guys since you brought it up? Because obviously a fan, you like great the Marlins won, but that guy's lifeless fell apart, but you guys made it to the world series because he got in maybe reached over eighty reached interfered. On his funding, because light ear Naw the replay is in God's talk like I was on second base so I don't know what was going on Dugout. Mommy's looted interviews like. The one on. His fame is all like. Saying. You, said your base. He's trying to score and stuff so and at the time. I don't know Food Carter or not. And you know we just spent a game. And then after this started snowball on the in as any on escort him out, and just got really nasty. And when you think of you're not thinking about it, but as you look back on, US messed up. Move I'm wondering if you thought about the shape, he because it's something that I think about all the time. which weird. Because why would I think about this but? We Castio left-handed great hitter contact I. Get on, Bass Right handed. The guy was like Barry Bonds. He was like a right handed. Barry bonds and every time he's sitting right handed. He's hitting home runs. Why is he not hitting right handed more often I dunno trust me. He probably wanted. Way they'll be. Yeah he turns into bear at Lake. And everything, that's why we're not going to occur based on left me. And he was I'm not going. He's GonNa hit. He's GonNa hit out where he's going to have a good back. Yeah, he was so much fun, but his mind frame was at. Left End, get on as gotTa do, but right in US like. As. Good light that man. It was awesome because he is writing slips. Up and he knew what he had to do, whatever I carried over switched over like he knew Ryan. What to do and love were left. He was just contact. Get on base. It would ever just get on steal some base rain. He was like super aggressive like just going into power. Natural side and he felt like A. Holiday. A TREE Right hand. I'm not messing this up I. Mean I feel like we're being billy billy? You specifically I feel like we're being a little. Cavalier Luik has steal from the left side was like three twenty career hitters, something and he batted a lot lower average from the right side with. No handed, he would hit four hundred home runs at least. All. Yeah exactly. Do you have any good. Dontrelle Willis comes up that year. You and him are good friends. You kind of take him under your wing. Does he ever get big? Had it because he's the guy that like? The crowd is empty for Brad? Penny Start and then the next game. There's fifty thousand fans there is there. Do you have a story of him? His head getting a little big where you gotta you know had to cut his legs a little bit now. He you know He. He got this road away. You know Sunnis from Old Clinton. Let everybody know from Oakland Alameda. Got Thrown away, eating eating really hit the big too much much because we have so much going on. It's all team related a lot of veteran guys on the team, so if he did, he kept it on the rack, but definitely you know. He never aired out maybe in his mind, he probably especially remember gave their heads. Sports illustrated covered. Everybody had the sports illustrated covers in in in the stands and stuff. Of the supposed to be made the cover of. gave out train hats in the whistles, the people in the outfield. It was awesome A. Mermaid they up high when. You arrive when the Burmese just like. Now, any of you ever get little bit jealous of Juan Encarnacion, having the chance for three to one from route that was like a thing for one home for some reason. Did you ever say why don't I get? No, no, no, because I mean now because he humanity keeping knowing in Colosio, man he he here say he was just stone face. By he he showed no, we, he was abused twenty twenty year Stewart when he saw invasions twenty home. That guy was underrated. That's one of the more underrated marlins players. Especially during that season by head believable sees not to get this not to turn this in a sad direction, but has anybody heard from him? Didn't he have like some horrific? Foul! Fell off as I think he's in Dominican, I haven't talked to him I would love to see him. One I wish would be on call, but yeah I. Think you standing on the Saint Louis News at Saint Louis Foul. Ball got him in Xining? He couldn't play again. Underrated on the T. I feel like we should go out on a bummer because. Low, not. Just so when you say wanted pronunciation. That's where my mind goes. I'm sorry Eddie. By me, no, let's go. Let's go back now because you say that you're not a marlins hall of fame Rice. Who you are and I would say first ballot. Probably Marlins Hall of Famer, so let's say that we have a marlins fan that were constructing rate, and only five people can get in one man dravis in be Jack mckeon because put all his. No, so it's GonNa be Jack mckeon for the manager. Who would you put in your Orleans Hall of Fame First-class? throwing. I mean my low. Jeff Kona. If Mr Miami and this I mean unbiased like best first. Basically I've ever seen in my life. Dear Lee sides like he was so good like he underrated guy like yes airway. I mean he's really like I know. He blocked because like all physically, but man. This guy we wanted probably about ten games on his defense alone. He's he's. He's demand JP. It was a crime that that outings all is never won a gold glove like him and Casteel were one of the best double play combinations that I've ever seen. And he never got the credit. He deserved defensive. You Know I. Got No fans for down here, so was I was so glad from in the world's series. The him at Louis got just do because people saw how good they were. They were like and these guys. They make these plays like every day like you should see what they do in baton at. That wasn't real treat. EARN. Allied kitchen the volume Kikuchi. are only warrior thoughts on how ridiculously that Marlins outfield was designed. Football. Thematic lights were like football light light now Novi. I've been to the hard rock now, but he's like. His. Job Bacon a football I know this probably not need to be record, but like I'm going all but I'm like when I went in there and Dug out work. Even when they played in the back in the day, you can still see the baseball yet in off and now it's like Oh, you know. I mean I just feel like even at a at a football stadium in that little triangle in the Bermuda Triangle is the point of that triangle I feel like it could have just been a straight wall. They're. Just a mess, you. while. You're. Eating about that, but it was. It was a weird constructed being, but we love I love everything about role, player or rock Joe Robbie, whatever it's called a we really embrace playing there as as a team well, we thank you for joining us today. 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The Big Suey: Its Walt Michaels Fault

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

39:25 min | 2 months ago

The Big Suey: Its Walt Michaels Fault

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Enter Code Huddle to get a free shot at millions of dollars progess with your first deposit that's Code Huddle only a draft kings make it rain minimum five dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details. So, billy ended the local hour by sort of whimpering I may have been wrong about Charles Johnson, and then Chris said something that made me think and I think this might actually be a game that even gets Roy involved Chris. Then said nobody could ground into a double play like. Johnson. I mean and I it got me to thinking who are guys who if they hit the ball in the infield hard slow. Baseball history in the whole it didn't matter. It was going to be a double play. I'm really asking you who are the slowest guys in Major League hiscox catchers, right? Yeah. I, don't know if it's all catches, but there's no one slower in the history, a major league baseball in C. J., C. J. Screaming Ground Ball shortstop like he's a he had a slow one a fast one deep in the hole deeper the whole cj I believe never ever of beat out a double point is life. I think Benjie. Molina, from the giants would like to see this conversation I'm going to text him Kirk who the slowest planning. The entire Molina a family could be in this discussion gods got caught up in the air there and realized that if you hit a screaming bald of the short. About anybody passed you just about anybody is going to hit into a double play. yachties fast for a catcher. Right Yati could steal some bags Gani. He's an athlete. He's an athlete for a catcher up, but I just think of the entire Molina family as. If they hit it on the ground in the Infield. Mama Melina. Melina also. Lena slow all the Molina. I'M GONNA go with Charlie O'Brien with this one Dan how old school this was Roy is going on. Now the other guys don't know who this is this a backup catcher for the mets and braves who had a lot of curly hair. It's a fine choice but not as good as Charles Johnson I don't think. During the break? Yes, toning. I've got a two pair here of prince fielder and big PAPI David Ortiz to the slowest guys in the League. You reminded me by saying Charlie O'Brien of what's to got. muttering during the break saying he hated Walt Michaels and he will never forgive Walt Michaels. Walt Michaels, and Chris didn't know that name and there's no reason for him to know that name was coach for the jets in the eighties and is one of the reasons that's do God's became fans with spinning at the television because Adam Gay saying that he's he's pissed off and the jets look God Almighty terrible. I don't even know. Let me ask you guys this question. What's worse? I play of the game. Just. A normal sweep goes for eighty yards or put this on the poll Guillermo or. Third and thirty one hand off near your own goal line and it goes for fifty five yards against your jets, which one which one made you curse at the television more. While I didn't see seven nothing, my daughter took delight and calling me to alert me the jets were already down seven nothing emitted into the game minute and fifteen seconds into the game. It most dirt made his way down the field twenty, three miles per hour. It's the fastest anyone's run since they started tracking that. So literally, that's about as fast as a human being can score a touchdown in A. Game with that's why I brought up Walt michaels during the break. My daughter said, Daddy, why'd you do this to me like she was glued to the TV homeowner forty niners need the game as always it's week two and it's a must. It's a must win game for the jets and so she was excited the daddy why do you do this to me how when I go? It's Walt Michaels Fall. It is Walt Michaels fault. He was just good enough as a head coach the jets just good enough in the early eighties that I was hooked in became a fan and so now Rachel was walking around Cursing Walt Michaels. Heard of that, it has to be that third down play because they did that stereotype typical third in a million draw play like here. Just here. Take it get out of here and he just ran for fifty one like that's there's nothing more demoralizing than that Stugotz. No because you're right it's a throwaway play that they somehow turned into a first down. Again though I want to revisit the Michael. I want to revisit the original point which is okay. Since they started clocking the speed of human beings. No one has been faster like he ran away from your secondary and it was just the most civil like it's a place oldest football just toss it to the right to your running back and watch him make a sweep. It should never go eighty yard now never go for eighty yards because there are layers of defense and linebackers and secondary that is. Supposed to prevent that from happening there. So Russia and that is going to get fired. Listen I become friendly with them, but I gotta be honest I was only friendly with him because he was the jets head coach perhaps he could provide me with some access, but he's he's not GonNa last long here I like them as even being, but he's he's in. Dan He's in big trouble. Sam. darnold has gotten worse since Adam gaze of quarterback whisperer has gotten there and Ryan Tannehill has gotten better since gaze loved him. Well, you mentioned the skill position help that Josh Allen now has your skill guy we have no one good God nobody. How is that possible? Like how is Sam darnold supposed to do anything with those skill guys and you have his GM Joe Douglas who signs now but offensive Lineman I, mean that's all he signs the attire off-season guys you never heard of and here's the problem it is Joe Douglas. His job, the Fire Adam gays, and the only reason Joe Douglas has that job is because Adam, gays and I'm just hired them. It's a complete disaster. They got rid of their only Robbie Anderson who was one of their athletic guys they got rid of him. So it's just interesting decisions and I just realized something Chris Forrester the guy that did cocaine or white substance as the dolphins offense line coach now works for the San Francisco Forty niners. So last night his that third in thirty one play was his offensive line I just felt like that's a funny. Gays was his cody fired up, and that guy gets rehired with the nighters and gets that play. It's GONNA end up getting fired what we're weird world. We live the jets jets have four guys that they dressed it wide receiver and two of them got hurt yesterday during the game. So that explains part of it but you realize and Chris was. During the break he was wondering if a whole New Legion of jet fans were fooled by a couple of those Rex Ryan years and now will have the eternal curse of jets fandom on them. But do you guys realize this is what I'm about to say. It would be funny if it didn't make me WanNa Saab at the microphone. We have started every damn season around here with the jets and the dolphins feeling this way after two games how long has it been since used to be the bills do now the bills are better and they can't all start that way because they've got to play each other sometimes in the first couple of games with the jets in tall fans have started like this. It feels like I don't know if it's actually true. The dolphins might have wanted a game somewhere in here but I Am I wrong in saying I can't remember the last time the Dolphin started ten and how was it like Dave wanstead Sam Madison team like when's the last time? The dolphin, started to know where they would get you excited the way. The bills fans are excited now or seahawks fans are excited. Now where you know you have a good football team, I'm not I feel like is I was that like a team could stumble upon to announce I wanNA say maybe in the last five or six They haven't had right. I feel like we've done this show after week to about the jets and the dolphins specifically where they're irrelevant since we were arguing whether you'd rather have bills quarterback Ryan's Ryan Fitzpatrick or jets quarterback Mark Sanchez. Right I mean I he that's what Tobacco Tobacco AFC title. The jets have had some recent success. The dolphins have they haven't had much. Two, thousand, nine, two, thousand, ten, it was a lot sooner. Usually spaced out thirty years in between that was you know that was ten years ago put it on the. Put. It on the poll is to is having success in two thousand and nine someone having recent success. You've had no success that. Yes or no? Because it really does feel like we have been talking the entire time. This radio show has been on the air about how unbelievably Shitty the AFC east always is, and it usually arrives the sent within two or three games where you know Oh look half the half the division their season is over. Am I reading this? Correctly the dolphins got off to a three. Two years ago is that right? Three I think they beat the titans, the jets and the raiders with Tannehill is the quarterback two, thousand eighteen lost the Patriots thirty, eight to seven. I have an update from Tim Kirk I reached out to Tim Kirch about the slowest players to ever play Major League baseball he I just hit me with a fun fact that Alber hosts has three hundred, Ninety, eight career ground into double plays. So that's pretty impressive but I don't think that's in his top three then I say give me your top three slows players ever. So now I have three players and I feel like I won this game because one of them is Jim Molina, and the next guy is Matt. Leaders? So apparently Matt leaders extremely slow in this next guy I've never heard of so hopefully dance to God's can help me out the third guy. Hassi. Oh. Get your as. I don't think that any of those guys were slower than trolls Johnson I. Am Chris I know that one of your favorite things in the world is that you have the accurate to Tim Kirkman to ask him questions like this but can you? Can you just text him Dan is saying that you are a failure because you have agreed forgotten Charles Johnson and just see what his responses are. You want me to do it I I'll. I'll do it. If they don't feel comfortable Charles, I did mention Charles Johnson him like that was the basis for this conversation. So maybe he didn't give me back like Charles Johnson because I had already mentioned that. So that was a little biased. Stu Gods two thousand fifteen. The jets started to know against the browns in colts, and then they went four out of five leading the dolphins in Washington also, and when season twenty fifteen a-. Recent success you're right. It's so depressing, eight them. How Dolphins? Fan of them, it's not we live down here. They're never good the the reason though gods, the reason that I say I have this feeling that none of these teams have started to anno- in this decade is specifically because. Every single time that I'm thinking to myself that the Finns are God awful. The jets provide me solace on a Monday where I can you know how long I've been making fun of you for your jets fandom and the dolphins have been just as bad. But the jets lose in ways that are even more like the dolphins at least were respectable in the first two games of the season. The jets extinguished all hope in these first two games where you know your team is putrid like you know it's not going. To do anything, it's going to be constipated on offense all year even though you know you got your team ownerships still saying that Adam Gates is a brilliant mind right while he's not and you know the jets are minus twenty eight through two games i. think that's the worst the NFL them the Houston Texans, which is funny. Just stand there not not a well run organization they never had been. They never will be and I blame all Michael's. I'm telling you. I also blame Gastineau. Klecko. I blame the sack exchange I blame Richard Todd Ravin beautiful. WAVY air. The jets were just good enough at just exciting enough to lure in this twelve year old kid from Long Island to go out to Shea Stadium and watch them every Sunday. They were just good enough at just exciting enough I blame lance bell who is turf issues us to Gaza turf was a mess yesterday. The TURF is an absolute mess yesterday who is Salaam? Salaam was one of the was part of the sack exchange Marty. Lyons Gastineau Salaam. Joe. Klecko they were just good enough. Then they were exciting. I mean. That was a team, the teams that's God's his mentioning. We are longing for a time in the mud when AJ dewey was making interceptions because the dolphins and jets were playing in the AFC championship game, they played in the eighty two I think AFC championship Game Aj do we I think that's the game were Don Shula cheated. The jets and the Dolphins I. Guess. That's where the rivalry comes from. Where did he cheat? How did he cheat I? Think he watered the field this something to that field and Muddy. Ramey what are you talking to slow? Traffic were fast he? It was raining Don Shula made it rain It'd Roy I'm certainly knows what I'm talking about because he was Laffy he turned the. Tonight something he was laughing the reason the Roy was laughing heated because you desecrated the name of one of the most integrity soaked man in the history of sports who also you know passed away recently, that's why Roy was laughing because of how disgraceful it was what you did where you simply call Don Shula cheater because it rained. A Foot. Odor thrown off your game stick to a winning game plan with odor readers featuring three advanced odor and wetness fighters. The lineup provides long-lasting odor control plus more to keep your feet on their game odor readers. Powder provides outstanding moisture control, clear drying sprays, the MVP and preventing athlete's foot while insoles were continuously to manage wetness while adding a layer of comfort pick up today at Walmart target CBS dollar general or other fine retailers odor eaters destroy foot odor with the best in defense. Got Handful of things that I want to get to the agitated among you tend to take stuff like this seriously with your Phantom Mark Richt the former University of Miami coach publicly picked against. Miami before the Game Against Louisville, we'll get to that in a second. Also WanNa get to a Lebron being upset about finishing second in the MVP voting. But before we do that because I can't think of a whole lot of things sillier arguing on sports radio about whether someone. Should be first or second or third in the MVP voting, but it's not mean you arguing it. It's Lebron. I know. But then arguing on behalf of whether or not he's right doesn't have a right to be pissed off and it's you know Ramona Shelburne said publicly that she prefers A. Based MVP vote and she voted she was among the fifteen who voted for Lebron James for MVP or the twelve or whatever it was. Hasn't he reached a point in his career where he's kind of above these minor league bickering things right where he's I I only got sixteen points and Janas one back to back MVP like I don't even count of his MVP's unless they wanna championship and Lebron who's about to win a championship or trying to win a championship is saying like I should have been. The MVP like shouldn't he be above this at this point in his career I think he's trying to build up the resumes only got a few years left to kind of build it up with championships with MVP's I. think that's what players are kind of defined by did definitely defined by rings it certainly MVP's I think is the next thing the all time greats. But no one's going to question whether or not he's an all time grey lake, people think he's the greatest of all time him and Jordan like what is one more MVP really going to do in that discussion who broke a glass on? What was that sound? Where did that sound come from? Is that a child at Roy or Chris's or is that Billy's dog what? What was that sound billy do you know? Now is falling. Dogs had quite the morning. The other things I wanted to talk to you about before we get to Colby Covington because I think that that story is interesting even though we don't have the sound for you right now we're having some audio difficulties I wanted to ask Chris and Stu gods if they saw what happened with Danny Lee this weekend trying to put again and again I think he six. Putted from three feet away and I couldn't believe what I was watching. This is a professional golfer, but you guys don't have any idea what I'm talking about here I understand there's no, there's too much sports going on right now. So every time I'm asking somebody whether they saw something or not the answer's always I'm sorry I. had five screens up watching Danny Lee at that particular moment Pie were you watching Dan because I thought it went viral I would have thought you as a goal for would be someone who would think to himself. Wow. That's a professional golfer and what just happened to him it's something that happened would happen to me. Yes, Chris Yeah it was on the eighteenth hole I saw and then he withdrew right after I mean it was rough. It looked. Like Greg Cody out there like they've never seen a pro have six putts from inside four feet that was insane. No. But we can relate to that because you and I like the Everyday Golfer can relate to that because we've all been there. Now we won't count on our scorecard. All been there right will usually just pick it up after water to and just put it in our pocket. But to Dan's point I've been there but I don't know if I've been six putts within four feet like I've four-putted or maybe five putted. That's six PUTT like legitimately bad I mean especially for a PG Golfer, it absolutely went viral because as I was driving in my wife has been watching good morning America and she'd text me Oh my God my heart is breaking for this Golfer because there were and this early in Good Morning America. This is. A really good morning America, went to with all the sports going on they went to Dan Poured Danny Lee. Yeah. This is something you have to see this is Water Cooler Talk Dany lease meltdown at the US. Open Cynthia would not stop texting me about it. Yeah. It was. It's terrible to watch. It's that third puck Chris where he just gives up he misses the first day when the just slammed the third one, ten feet past the hole, he just gives up and None of that's my bad. That's my bad. Had My hand up at Grad Chris. No. I'm just saying what's the equivalent of that in other sports like give me something else in another sport? That's the equivalent of that. Nick Anderson. That's what I thought of originally. But that's just amnio. Nick Anderson Missing a layup six times. Yeah. If he keeps getting his own rebound back up, it gives missing the well then Rick and Keel John Lesser refusing to throw throw to. I. I think Baseball Raynham. There's so many parallels in terms of YIP's baseball and golf even though the sports are remarkably different, it's weird to how the mental aspect affects. So so much actually there was some European soccer play a couple weeks ago. I had a cross and he had it like right in front of him at the far post like it was the most insane sitter sitter as they call it in soccer. When you missed an easy goal a sitter, it was insane. Chris I would say. And highly questionable loves to air just a soccer incompetence and we have a ton of it like just goalie after go. You'll keep after keeper missing easy shots or just whipping on a kick. I have never seen a soccer play as bad as the one that you are talking about where the guy had the ball inches from the goal that had no goalie in it and just sort of stumbled into the post, and then the ball went out of bounds it was staggering it is something that would not have happened to a toddler. And it is the single worst. It's the single worst thing. I've ever seen on a soccer field where a guy is just there he's ten yards from anyone else. He's got the ball right in front of him and he just sort of falls down clumsily and into the into the post I don't know how you sleep for weeks after that if you're a soccer. The world's richest keeper right now, Chelsea their keepers going through some mental kickable directly to a Liverpool player and Chelsea signed a new keeper, but they purposefully didn't put it out on twitter because they this keepers so fragile they didn't want the announcement there and social media on the eve of a big game against Liverpool and Shit. You Not Chelsea got a red card because the defender did trust is keeper because it was a one B one situation. So we brought the. Guy Down and then he just kicked the ball directly to a Liverpool Mike have you ever seen a play as bad as the one that me and that was that was that was bad. But I didn't really recognize the uniform. So this stuff happens I don't know I'm not really watching the Turkish League the Champions League semi-final with pep Guardiola and reclaim sterling's miss against the all right in front of the net that's the worst I've ever seen want to go back to. That was worse in terms of like the moment of it I don't know if that was like this one though that we're talking about just in terms of the science of it. Did you physically miss this? I have no idea how that happened. I've watched it several times the signs of it John Brink has needs to work on this one. I WanNa go back to what Dan said on the Broncos I was handling. Audio issues and I was screaming because no one could realize what Lebron was doing Lebron I. Mean I'm an expert when it comes to Lebron I don't know if you guys saw he makes it a point to tweet about Joe Borough while the Miami Heat are completing their comeback because he doesn't want anyone to think he's watching the Miami Heat this whole narrative thing that he was talking about in the voting I don't. Know if you guys caught like Brandon Ingram is good and I'm happy for him I thought he deserved the award. But how could you not give it to Devante Graham what's happening there? You know exactly what's happening they're Lebron the GM shipped Brandon Ingram out Anthony Davis he doesn't want Ingram winning the most improved player. He wants to von Graham win in that because that makes the trade look worse. How can you guys? Fall for this and it was all self serving. He had a point by the way about twenty twelve. He deserves the defensive player of the year. Absolutely he lost out to marcus soul and he's just saying how do I lose out to a guy that didn't even finish first team all NBA a great point but it's all self serving guys. That's little thing when he writes leader on his shorts, he's leading for him. Now I guess the Billy's point isn't he? Above this? Isn't he passed this I mean, what is he doing any fence in his defense? It doesn't get enough attention people give him enough. To fight for his own like love if he's if he doesn't do it students who's going to give him credit and love and appreciation if he doesn't ask for him, so you're right. Corrected. Question about the emmys today watch the EMMYS. Watch, THEM WATCH Watching late night TV. I'm not watching any comedian standup deliver anything. There's no fan reaction. It said it makes me it makes me feel bad. So people were not at the awards Riley people were at home I guess where they zoomed in is at how working as they. They had a handful of people there though that they would have come out to announce stuff but most like they had over one hundred, fifteen zoom cameras. So it was like well, the majority of it was on zoom. So did they send out like dummy trophies for people to hold or like do people like have a box and they opened the box and if there was an ambient they wanted. Physically hand the Emmys Danny. Buddy. At that they were people in joking like has met suits like I. Know that the the Shit's creek crew was having their own party like socially distant where they were altogether. But I thought I. saw them doing a joke with guy that has met suit bringing them there dia has an emmy. was she there I guess. The people I saw winning an emmy were giving speeches into their cameras but they weren't given anything. They weren't handed anything. That's I mean the ten minutes I saw. That Miss America one something the Unorthodox one something. It does arc went. Now. One of the actresses. Are you guys like? Stu. Gods where all this stuff is so sad, it's so not normal. It's so weird that you don't even WanNa watch it because it's GonNa. disorients you and remind you that nothing is normal outside it's I. The only thing that's working for me without fans is the thing that I thought was going to work the least football. It's unbelievable works without fans or I. It's fine. I can't believe that football football experience doesn't seem much different at all. I. Like the award show you guys WanNa talk. Ami's like that feels different during all of this I'm the sports stuff I've adjusted Golf Baseball Basketball I've forgotten about fans I'm like digesting all of this works maybe it's because the Miami Sports, all of a sudden are very like these games are important. So maybe I'm just invested but I'm not feeling any of this stuff to God's saying baseball. Kind of works for me as well. Golf I need the fans ten individual sports, cut any the fans but more. So in the late night circuit when I'm talking about is when a Guy Kimmel delivers a monologue from his house, you know Jonas areas not wearing a suit. There's no fans to react at to me. It's just sad like it's not funny. It's not entertaining at all. That's not what yesterday was a Bill Maher has been that it fell to know a note off the John Oliver. Show has figured out how to do something that is very similar to what they do, but it took them a minute Kimmel was in an antiseptic studio last night and occasionally people would come out and Kimmel sense of humor is such. I didn't watch enough of the Emmys to know whether what I'm saying is so not but. Kimmel sense of humor is to descend into the sewage and the mock when things go wrong when things go wrong and her awkward, it's even better for what Jimmy Kimmel does. Because he he doesn't get spooked by it. He doesn't get embarrassed by it. He sinks into it and there. There were a lot of dizzy moments with the video during what it is that he was doing and again a totally antiseptic room where occasionally a famous person would come out and greet him from a distance but it was weird it's another reminder when. You're watching television that things in the country and the world are not any kind of sane or normal like you couldn't help. But watch that one of the things about all those silly awards shows that that makes them usually popular television viewing experiences is they're just big. They're big. You've got all these famous people in one place being big and famous and important and orchestras, and everyone's all dressed up and when everyone's from home there's there's just no way no matter. Their television does not have the capacity to make it big and yet. What if we said about the NFL and the Super Bowl they do big well, somehow the NFL tomatoes continues to feel every bit as big with the televise viewing experience even though you don't need fans at all, I've been just as surprised by that I thought it was going to be a big impact and there's next to no impact like next to none basketball is a note off without the fans baseball fields a little sad when there's a walk off homer and there's no one there even the Laker buzzer beater yesterday even with the stakes you realized there's no one there to celebrate that with them so they're jumping on each other. But it's just one hundred people and nobody else in the in the facility. The emmys thing is stark though you can't help but notice oh wow this is like somebody pinprick to balloon on entertainment I. Think with football what's working is you get field shot so you really don't notice the fans the mass, the coacher wearing, and some of the all the stuff that they're wearing it stuff they could wear anyway in a cold day. So it doesn't really look that much different They pump the decibel level in a way that I could hear it on my tv where it almost sounds like a football game at times and daytime it. Pretty. Well, it's it's been super surprising and the quality football. A bunch of guys got injured and everyone's talking about the lack of preseason games at training camp equality has been tremendous to great games. Yesterday who did you choose to watch your? What did you choose to watch last night? What was your choice from among all of the options on I've watched some football okay. So do you know the? Number that I'm about to give you here in terms of how much of the offense Cam Newton was responsible for last night for the Patriots. Did they say it on the telecast? This is from NFL on CBS. I mean it had to be a lot obvious. Well, they had four, hundred, sixty, four yards. What do you think cam accounted for? They had the Patriots had four hundred and sixty four yards. In Week two against a good seahawks defense I'm GONNA say like to eighty. Four forty four or poor forty, four, ninety, six, percent and also this is from. Brian Newark New Hauser houser excuse me This is what he says. I did not know this Cam Newton has rushed from the opposing one yard line nineteen times in his career. He had never lost yardage before last night. It was It was pretty predictable that play call I will but he's the best goal line. Brady is. Always know that he's going to run it from the goal line and no one's ever able to stop. He's the greatest goal line threat in the history of the Game I. saw a tweet lasts three times. The seahawks and patriots have matched up the game has ended at the one yard line and it's the team with the ball at the one that is always loss. Funny. That is funny. It was only because they had run that play a couple of times. It seemed like you knew that's what They would leave college word said they haven't stopped. But as you gotTa, you gotTa, you gotTa ride with that play call. I know a lot of people are criticizing it, but you go down with the greatest ever to do that outside of Tom Brady as you mentioned the greatest Qb. Their full backup blown up on that play. Like it wasn't camps fault there like it was insane like the defender just blew up fullback Russell. Wilson's the best quarterback in the game. Isn't me? Mahomes is promo homes I, keep forgetting. MVP here's this Guy Roosevelt's not far behind guys behind it all. That's fine but just because you forgot him doesn't mean he's not behind getting about that guy who who blew up the fullback was it win of it because this guy is putting on some tape I don't know if you saw what he did the Carlos Hyde in that game Carlos Hyde, not a bad pass blocker. He's still in the league in part because he's a decent pass blocker this. Guy His body is transformed and he's just racing dudes. Let me ask you guys this question because it's something I. Don't remember why it is that this. I thought about this yesterday but during our time coming up in sports to God's The Walt. Michaels. Time of coming up in football. You know Mike Singled Terry at Middle Linebacker gave the torch over to Ray Lewis at Middle Linebacker and you know in there somewhere Brian Urlacher. Got A lot of fame because he was a middle linebacker. Is there a Guy Right now in the sport? Is there somebody in football that you associate with that position specifically where you're like I know Bobby Wagner is a great linebacker by every metric, but I was keithly. Is there a guy right now that you think of when I say middle linebacker menacing going to be all over the field going to be somebody who's problematic. An, if not right because I don't know if this is shifted, I didn't know the answer to my question was just a thought that came to me a lot while watching the games. Is there a really famous menacing middle linebacker WHO's considered a game changer? One of the things that happened in that game last night. Is Jamal Adams had with Cam, Newton Eshelman had a career day somehow second game with Cam Newton. He had more yards. Then he ever had in a game with Tom Brady hundred, seventy, nine yards, and Jamal Adams people are pointing out that he was and I don't know how to do the measurements on this. Okay. Because safety is a difficult position for me to measure as a you know. A Lay observer on this stuff but somebody mention that Eshelman was six for six whenever Jamal Adams was anywhere near him and people were talking about also Jamal Adams being all over the field in that game in a way that made me conjure the idea of the Middle Linebacker who's always there for twenty tackles. If you notice what happened to the safety lining up next to Jamal, Adams Diggs got dejected. From that game his replacement Blair got hurt. So I'm sure whoever was a third string safety lining up next to Jamal Adams calls all sorts of communication problems and positional problems lining up next to Jamal Adams which impart probably contributed to how edleman was doing because they actually were doing all right against the pass and then all the injuries in in ojection started happening in that Seattle secondary and now all. The sudden New England's having a lot of success throwing the ball Adams at ten tackles and a sack. But a p Carroll said afterwards, he said I've never had a player who just will call defensive play and he just does whatever the hell he wants to do that he's not paying attention to me. He's paying attention to what's going on on the field trusting his film study and then going out and. The position at just make an incredible play. Okay. But my question to you is this right because trypanosoma. Peyton manning crazy that way because he would play football that way and you couldn't study it because junior CEO used to do the same thing. But this is from Seth Walder. Okay and this is per nfl next Gen stats. You tell me what to do with this as I ask you as somebody who did not watch that game does not know what happened in that game just reading about the game you tell me whether Jamal Adams had a good game when I'm presenting you with this stat when Jamal Adams has been the nearest defender to the targeted receiver, the Patriots are. Six for six for one, hundred, fifty, seven yards. So is that communication stuff that you're talking about? Is that like because I really don't know how to do the measurements with some of this stuff stu gods and I don't think the audience it's also a bad match up having safety. I don't care how good you are an athletic. You weren't Adams's grade on Julian element that's never going to be. It's never gonNA match. You got to explain that Jamal Adams is kind of a confusing case study in terms of the analytics specifically because he does so many things that are intangible related. Where he's in a position where he probably shouldn't be any ends up making a play teams. Have you know as a jets fan team have teams have picked on Jamal Adams before but I think conceptually, there's enough to support Jamal Adams because that was a a messy situation and that's ATL secondary last night they had having watched that game I would tell you just because he was all over the field, it would be nearly impossible. I understand the stat I get it, but it'd be impossible for me to walk away thinking Atas way a bad game guys a menace. He's everywhere apart and postgame Hasa her jets fans because he was so happy to finally beat the Patriots. Is there a middle linebacker and I know that I know Jamal Adams I? Know these are disparite thoughts. Okay. Because I'm just talking about that feeling of a guy is everywhere. Yeah. No, you're. You're absolutely right. I had to Google to see if I could come up with one sort of confirms your point anyways because these are guys that should jump off. The Front scheme related is that something that has to do with defenses and offenses of change offenses or getting rid of the ball. So Damn fast I think what's changes and you pointed it out years ago it's like getting a good deal on and be able to rush the quarterback with fours. Now it's more about like bose's at Aaron Donald Interior, Defensive Linemen. Most like the default NFL defense is now a nickel. You. have an additional corner on the field at all times because way that offenses are lining up is different. So it also changes how the Middle Linebacker SORTA plays showing. Are Those the audience listening to this and just rattling off a couple of middle linebacker names that we're not paying attention to because Google demand like by Ragnar is the most famous one. because. He's a ninety nine madden and I mean, let Bobby Wagner walk into an arena anywhere and have people tell you oh man, it's Bobby Wagner I. Don't know pro football focus like here the best middle linebacker the NFL's Eric Hendricks Darius Leonard Cory Littleton Levante David all Avantis David when you heard Hike Ryan's beloved Levante David You got Roquan Smith Blake Martinez Joseph. Smith. Danny Trevathan K. J. Right. You don't even know that I made up Joseph Smith I mean these aren't Harry Carson's couple of Smith's you threw at me there I thought the smiths went dominating the position.

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A General History of the Pirates, Part 1, by Daniel Defoe

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A General History of the Pirates, Part 1, by Daniel Defoe

"Good evening and thank you for joining me for another boring books for bedtime. I hope tonight selection provides all the boredom. Your busy brain needs took quiet down and let you get some sleep so find a comfortable spot. Adjust your volume. Take a nice deep breath in let it out slowly and off Waco before we begin. Tonight's reading I'd like to give special shouted of thanks to amy. The latest member of our Patriot family day. Amy Thank you so much for becoming a supporter of this podcast. You're help makes it possible for everyone. And it's much appreciated. I'd also like to congratulate David for snapping up the last of the personal recordings that were being offered. I'll have a new special offer on patriotic in the coming weeks and I hope you take the time to check it out as always you'll find a link to the Patriots in the show description. Now let's get the reading this evening. We're reading from work. That perhaps more than any other shaped our image of a very well known subject a general history of the pirates from their first fries and settlement in the island of Providence. To the present time with the remarkable actions and adventures of the two female pirates Mary read and Anne Bonny to which is added a short abstract of the statute of civil law in relation to piracy second addition with considerable additions printed. Four and sold by T warner at the black boy in paternoster row London. Seventeen twenty four by captain. Charles Johnson the pseudonym of Daniel Defoe. Let's begin in the preface having taken more than ordinary pains in collecting the materials which compose the following history. We could not be satisfied with ourselves if anything were wanting to it which might render it entirely satisfactory to the public. It is for this reason. We have sub joined to the work. A short abstract of the laws now in force against pirates and made choice of some particular cases which have been heretofore tried by which will appear what actions have and what have not been adjudged piracy. It is possible. This book may fall into the hands of some masters of ships and other honest mariners who frequently by contrary winds or tempests or other accidents incident two long voyages find themselves reduced to great distresses either through scarcity of provisions or want of stores. I say it may be direction to such. As those what lengths they may venture to go without violating the law of nations in case they should meet other ships at sea or be cast on some inhospitable shore which should refuse to trade with them for such things as are absolutely necessary for the preservation of their lives or the safety of the ship and cargo. We have given a few instances in the course of this history of the inducements men have to engage themselves headlong in a life of so much peril to themselves and so destructive to the navigation of the trading world to remedy which evil there seems to be but two ways either to find employment for the great numbers of Semen Turned Adrift. At the conclusion of a war and thereby prevent they're running into such undertakings or to guard sufficiently the coast of Africa. The West indies and other places where two pirates resort. I cannot but take notice in this place that during this long piece I have not so much is heard of a Dutch pirate. It is not that I take them to be honest to her than their neighbors. But when we account for it it will perhaps be a reproach to ourselves for want of industry. The reason I take to be that after Roy Moore when the Dutch ships are laid up. They have a fishery. Were there semen. Find immediate business and has comfortable bread as they had before had are the same recourse in their necessities. I'm certain we should find the same effect from it. For a fishery is a trade that cannot be overstocked. The Sea is wide enough for us. All and we'd need not quarrel for elbow room. It stores are infinite and will ever reward the laborer besides our own coast for the most part supplied the Dutch who employs several hundred sale constantly in the trade and so cell to us our own fish. I call it. Our own for the sovereignty of the British sees are to this day acknowledged us by the Dutch and all the neighbouring nations wherefore if there was a public spirit among us it would be well worth our while to establish a national fishery. Which would be the best. Means the world to prevent piracy employ number of the poor and ease the nation of a great burden by lowering the price of provisions. In general as well as of several other commodities. I need not bring any proof of what I advance this that there are multitudes of semen at this day unemployed it is but too evident by their struggling and begging all over the kingdom nor is it so much their inclination to idleness as their own hard fate in being cast off after their work is done to starve or steel. I have not known. A man of war commissioned for several years past but three times her complement of men have offered themselves and twenty four hours the merchants take advantage of this lesson their wages and those few who are in business are poorly paid and poorly fed such usage breeds discontent among them and it makes them eager for any change. I shall not repeat what is said in the history concerning the privateers of the West indies. Where I have taken notice. They live upon spoil and discussed him is a second nature. It is no wonder that when an honest livelihood is not easily had they run into one so like their own so that it may be said that privateers in time of war our nursery for pirates against apiece. Now we have accounted for. There is beginning. It will be natural to inquire why they are not taken and destroyed before they come to any head seeing that they are seldom less than twelve men of war stationed in our American plantations even in time of peace a force sufficient to contend with a powerful enemy. This inquiry perhaps will not turn much to the honor of those concerned in that service. However I help I may be excused if what I end is with the design of serving the public I say Tis strange that a few pirates should ravage the seas for years without ever being light upon by any of our ships of war. When in the meantime they the pirates shall take fleets of ships. It looks as if one was more diligent in their affairs than the other Roberts and his crew alone took four hundred sale before he was destroyed. This matter I made probably sit right. Another time and only observe for the present that the pirates at sea had the same sagacity with robbers at land asked the latter understand what roads are most frequented and where it is most likely to meet with booty so the former no latitude to lie in in order to intercept ships and as the pirates happen to be in want of provisions stores or any particular lading they cruise accordingly for such ships and are morally certain of meeting with them and by the same reason if the men of war cruise in those latitudes might be sure of finding the pirates as the pirates are to find the merchant ships and if the pirates are to be met with by the men of war in such latitude then surely on the same latitude made the merchant ships arrived safely to their port to make this a little plainer to my country readers. I must observe that all our outward bound ships sometime after they leave the land steer into the latitude up the place they are bound to. If to the west India islands or any part of the main of America as New York New England Virginia at Cetera because the latitude the only certainty in those voyages to be found and then they sail due west till they come to their port. Without altering their course in this west way lie the pirates. Whether it be Virginia etc or Nevis Saint Christopher's Mall Sarah Jamaica et Cetera. So that if the merchant ships bounded either do not fall a prey to them one day they must another therefore I say if the men of war take the same track the pirates must unavoidably fall into their mouths or be frightened away from where the game is there will the vermin be if the latter should be the case the trading ships as I said before we'll pass unmolested and safe and the pirates be reduced to take refuge in some of their lurking holes about the uninhabited islands where their fate would be like that of the Fox in his den. If they should venture out they would be hunted and taken and if they stay within they must star. I must observe another thing. Is that the pirates. Generally shift their rovings. According to the season of the year in the summer they cruise mostly along the coast of the continent of America but the winters. They're being a little too cold for them. They follow the sun and go towards the islands at the approach of cold weather. Every man who has used the west India trade knows this to be true therefore since we are so well acquainted with all their motions. I cannot see why metaphor under a proper regulation may not go to the southward instead of lying up all the winter useless but I shall proceed too far in this inquiry I shall therefore quitted and say something of the following sheets which the author may venture to assure the reader that they have one thing to recommend them which is truth those facts which he himself was not an eyewitness of he had from the authentic relations of the persons concerned in taking the pirates as well as from the mouths of the pirates themselves after they were taken and he conceives. No Man can produce better testimonies to support the credit of any history. It will be observed that the account of the actions of Roberts runs into a greater length than that of any other pirate for which we can assign two reasons first because he ravaged the seas longer than the rest and of consequence there may be greater scene of business in his life secondly being resolved not to weary the reader with tiresome repetitions when we found the circumstances in Roberts's life and other pirates either as to piratical articles or anything else to be the same. We thought it best to give them. But once and chose Roberts life for that purpose he having made more noise in the world than some others as to the lives of our two female pirates. We must confess they may appear on little extravagant yet. They are nevertheless true for seeming sow but as they were publicly tried for their piracy's there are living witnesses enough to justify what we have laid down concerning them. It is certain we have produced some particulars which were not so publicly known. The reason is we were more inquisitive into the circumstances of their past lives than other people who had no other design than that of gratifying their own private curiosity if there are some incidents and turns in their stories which may give them a little the air of a novel they are not invented or contrived for that purpose. It is kind of reading. This author is but little acquainted with but as he himself was exceedingly diverted with them when they were related to him he thought they might have the same effect upon the reader. I presume we need make no apology for giving the name of a history to the following sheets though they contain nothing but the actions of a parcel of robbers it is bravery and strategy in war which make actions worthy of record in which sense the adventures. Here related won't be thought deserving that name plutarch is very circumstantial in relating the actions of spartakist the slave and makes the conquest of him one of the greatest glories of Marcus crassus and it is probable if this slave had lived a little longer plutarco was given us his life at large roam. The mistress of the world was no more at first than a refuge for thieves and outlaws. And if the progress of our pirates had been equal to their beginning had they all been united and settled in some of those islands. They might by this time have been honored with the name of a common well and no power in those parts of the world could have been able to dispute it with them if we have seemed to glance with some freedom at the behavior of some governors of provinces abroad. It has been with caution and perhaps we have not declared as much as we knew however we hoped those gentlemen in the same station who have never given occasion for the like censure. We'll take no offense though. The word governor is sometimes made use of. Ps it will be necessary to add a word or two to this preface in order to inform the reader that there are several material additions made to this second impression which swelling the book in. Balkh must have consequence at a small matter to its price. The first impression having been received so much success by the public occasioned very earnest demand for a second in the meantime several persons who had been taken by the pirates as well as others who had been concerned in taking up them have been so kind to communicate several facts and circumstances to us which had escaped us in the first impression this occasioned some delay therefore if we have not brought it out as soon as wished it was to render it the more complete we shall not enter into a detail of all the new matter inserted here but the description of the islands Saint Thomas Etcetera and that of Brazil are not to be passed by without a little notice. It must be observed that are speculative mathematicians and geographers who are no doubt men of the greatest learning seldom travel farther than their cloisters for their knowledge. Etcetera are therefore unqualified to give us a good description of countries. It is for this reason that all our maps and atlases are so much drizzly faulty breath. These gentlemen are obliged to take their accounts from the reports of illiterate men. It must be noted also that when the masters of ships make discoveries this way they are not fond of communicating them. A Man's knowing this or that coast better than others recommend seeming his business and makes him more useful until no more. Discover it than tradesman. Well the mystery of his trade the gentleman who has taken the pains to make these observations is Mr Atkins a surgeon and ingenious man in his own profession and one who is not tied down by any narrow considerations from doing a service to the public and has been pleased generously to communicate them for the good of others. I don't doubt but his observations will be found curious and very serviceable to such as trade to those parts. Besides a method of trade is here laid down with the Portuguese which may prove of Great Prophet to some of our countrymen if followed according to his plan. It is hoped these things will satisfy the public that the author of the following sheets considered nothing so much as making the book useful though he has been informed that some gentlemen have raised an objection against the truth of its contents. Viz that it seems calculated to entertain and divert if the facts are related with some agreeable nece and life. We hope it will not be imputed as a fault but as to its credit we can assure them that seafaring men that is all that know the nature of these things have not been able to make the least objection to its credit and he will be bold to affirm that there is not a fact or circumstance in the whole book but he is able to prove by credible witnesses there have been some other pirates. Besides those whose history are here related such as our hereafter named and their adventures are extravagant and full of mischief. As those who are the subject of this book the author has already begun to digest them into method and as soon as he receives some materials to make them complete which he shortly expects from the West indies. If the public gives him encouragement he intends to venture upon a second volume history of the pirates introduction as the pirates in the West indies have been so formidable and numerous that they have interrupted the trade of Europe into those parts and our English merchants in particular have suffered more by their depredations than by the United Force of France and Spain in the late war. We do not doubt but the world will be curious to know the original who and progress of these desperadoes who were the terror of the trading part of the world but before we enter upon their particular history. It will not be amiss by way of introduction to show by some examples drawn from his stray the great mischief endanger which Threaten Kingdoms and commonwealths from the increase of these sort of robbers when either by the troubles of particular times or the neglect of governments. They are not crushed before they gather strength. It has been the case heretofore that when a single pirate has been suffered to range the sees as not being worth the notice of government he has by degrees grown so powerful as to them to the expense of a great deal of blood and treasure before he was suppressed. We shall not exam and how it came to pass that are pirates in the West indies have continually increased till of late. This is an inquiry which belongs to the legislature or representatives of the people in Parliament and to them we shall leave it. Our business shall be briefly to Xiao. What from beginnings inconsiderable as these other nations have suffered in the time stuff? Maria's and Cilla Rome was in her greatest strength yet. She was so torn in pieces by the factions up. Those two great men that everything which concerned the public good was altogether neglected when certain pirates broke out from Cecilia. A country of Asia minor situated on the coast of the Mediterranean betwixt Syria on the east from whence it is divided by Mount Taurus and Armenia. Minor on the West. This beginning was mean and inconsiderable having but two or three ships and a few men with which they cruised about the Greek islands taking such ships as we're very ill armed or weakly defended however by the Taking of many prizes. They soon increased in wealth and Power. The first action. There's which made a noise was taking up. Julius Caesar who was his yet a youth and who being obliged to fly from the cruelties of Silla. Who sought his life went into with the NIA and sojourned awhile with Nicomedes. King of that country in his return back by sea he was met with and taken by some of these pirates near the island of former Coosa. These pirates had a barbarous custom of tying their prisoners back to back and throwing them into the sea but supposing Caesar to be some person of high rank because of his purple robes and the number of attendance they thought it would be more for their profit to preserve him in hopes of receiving a great sum for his ransom therefore they told him he should have his liberty provided he would pay them twenty talents which they judged to be a very high demand in our money about three thousand six hundred pounds sterling. He smiled and of his own accord. Promised Them Fifty talents. They were both pleased and surprised at his answer and consented that several of his attendance should go by his direction and raised the money and he was left among these Ruffians. With no more than three attendance he passed eight and thirty days and seemed so little concerned or afraid that often when he went to sleep he used charge them not to make a noise threatening if they disturbed him to hang them all he also played dice with them and sometimes wrote verses dialogues which he used to repeat and also caused them to repeat and if they did not praise and admire them he would call them beasts and barbarians telling them he would them. They took all these as the sallies of juvenile humor and were rather diverted than displeased them at length. His attendance returned with his ransom which he paid and was discharged. He sailed for the port of my letham. Where as soon as he was arrived he used all his art and Industry. In fitting out a squadron of ships which he equipped and armed at his own charges and sailing inquest of the pirates. He surprised them as they laid anchor among the islands and took those who had taken him four with some others the money he founded upon them. He made prize up to reimburse his charges and carried the men to per Goma's or troy and they're secured them in prison in the meantime he applied himself to Junius then governor of Asia to whom it belonged to judge and determine the punishment of these men but Junius finding there was no money to be had answered. Caesar that he would think at his leisure. What was to be done with those prisoners? Caesar took his leave of him. Returned back to progress and commanded that the prisoner should be brought out and executed according to law in that case provided which is taken notice off in a chapter at the end of this book concerning the laws in cases of piracy and thus he gave them that punishment in earnest which he had often threatened them with ingest. Caesar went straight to Rome where being engaged in the designs of his own. Private ambition has were almost all the leading men in Rome. The pirates who were left had time to increase to a prodigious trying for a while the civil wars lasted the seas were left unguarded. So that plutarch tells us that they erected diverse arsenals full of all men are of warlike stores made commodious harbors setup watch towers and beacons all on the coasts of. Cilicia that they had a mighty fleet well equipped and furnished with Golly it's of ores manned not only with men of desperate courage but also with expert pilots and mariners. They had their ships of force and light penises for cruising and making discoveries in awe no less than a thousand sale so gloriously set out that they were as much to be envied for their gallant show as feared for their force having the stern and quarters all gilded with gold and their oars plated with silver as well as purple sales has their greatest died had been to glory in their iniquity nor were they content with committing. Piracy's and insolence is by sea. They committed his great depredations by land or rather made conquests for they took and sacked no less than four hundred cities laid several others under contributions plundered the temples of the gods and enrich themselves with the offerings deposited in them when they often landed bodies of men who not only plundered the villages along the seacoast but ransacked the fine houses of the noblemen along the Tiber a body of them once took six Tilles and beliefs to Roman predators in their purple robes. Going from Rome to their governments and carried them away. With all their sergeants officers and diverge hers they also took the daughter of Antonius a consular person and one who had obtained the honor of triumph as she was going to the country house of her father her but what was most barbarous was custom they had when they took any ship of enquiring of the person on board concerning their names and country if any of them said he was a Roman they fell down upon their knees as if in a fright at the greatness of that name and begged pardon for what they had done and imploring his mercy they used to perform the offices of servants about his person and when they found they had deceived him into a belief of there being sincere they hung out the letter of the ship and coming with a show of courtesy told him he had his liberty desiring him to walk out of the ship and this in the middle of the sea and when they observed him in surprise as was natural they used to throw him overboard with mighty shouts of laughter so wanting they were in their cruelty thus while Rome was mistress off of the world she suffered insults and affronts almost at her gates from these powerful robbers but what for a while made faction sees and rows the genius of that people never used to suffer wrong from fair enemy was an excessive scarcity of provisions and Rome occasioned by all the ships loaded with corn and provisions from Sicily Corsica and other places being intercepted and taken by these pirates in so much that they were almost reduced to a famine upon this pompey. The great was immediately appointed General to manage this war. Five hundred ships were immediately fitted out. He had fourteen senators men of experience in the war for his vice admirals an so considerable and an emmy were these Ruffians. Become that no less than an army of one hundred thousand foot and five thousand horse was appointed to invade them by land but it happened very luckily for Rome that pompey sailed out before the pirate had intelligence of a design against them so that their ships were scattered all over the Mediterranean like bees. Gone out from a high of some one way. Some another to bring home their lading. Pompey divided his fleet into thirteen squadrons. To whom he appointed there several stations so that great numbers of the pirates fell into his hands ship by ship without any loss forty days he passed in scouring the Mediterranean some of the fleet cruising along the coast of Africa some about the islands and some upon the Italian coasts so that often those pirates were flying from one squadron fell in with another however some of them escaped and these making directly to Cilicia and acquainting their confederates on shore with what had happened. They appointed a rendezvous of all the ships that had escaped at the Port. Of course caesium in the same country. Poppy finding the Mediterranean quite clear appointed a meeting of all his fleet. At the haven of Bre newseum and from thence sailing round into the Adriatic. He went directly to attack these pirates in their hives as soon as he came near the choruses eum in Cilicia where the remainder of the pirates la they had the hardiness to come and give him battle. But the genius of old Rome prevailed and the pirates received an entire overthrow being all either taken or destroyed but as they made many strong fortresses upon the sea coast and built castles and strongholds up the country about the foot of Mount Taurus. He was obliged to besiege them with his army. Some places he took by storm others surrendered to His mercy to whom he gave their lives at at length he made an entire conquest but it is probable that had these pirates received sufficient notice of the Roman preparation against them so as they might have had time to draw their scattered strength into a body to have met pompey by see. The advantage appeared greatly on their side in numbers of shipping and of men. Nor do they want courage as may be seen by? They're coming out of the port of core cesium to give the Romans Bat all with a force much inferior to theirs. I say had they overthrown. Pompey it is likely they would have made greater attempts and Rome which had conquered the whole world might have been subdued by a parcel of pirates. This is a proof how dangerous it is to governments to be negligent and not take an early care in. Suppressing these see band. Dt before they gather strength the truth of this maxim may be better exemplified in the history of Barbaros a native in the city of Middle Leney and the island of last POWs in the gene. See a fellow of ordinary birth coup being bred the see I out from bence upon the pirating account with only one small Vassall but by the prizes he took he gained immense researches so that getting a great number of large ships all the bold. And dissolute fellows of those islands flocked to him and listed in his service for the hopes of booty so that his strength was increased to her formidable flame with these he performed such bold and adventurous actions that he became the terror of the seas. About this time. It happened. That Salim. You Timmy. King of Algiers having refused to pay the accustomed tribute to the Spaniards was apprehensive of an invasion from thence wherefore he treated with Barbara Ruse upon the foot of an ally to come and assist him and deliver him from paying this. Barbara's readily came into it and sailing to Algiers with a great fleet. He put part of his men on shore and having laid a plot to surprise the city he affected with great success and murdered Salim in a bath soon after which he was himself crowned King of Algiers after this he made war upon Abdel Up Day King of Tunis and overthrew him in battle he extended his conquests on all sides and thus from a thief became a mighty king and though he was at last killed in battle yet he had so well established himself upon that throne that dying without issue. He left the inheritance of the kingdom to his brother. Another pirate I come now to speak of the pirates infesting. The West indies where they are more numerous than any other parts of the world on several reasons first because there are so many uninhabited little islands and keys with Harper's convenient and secure for cleaning their Sol's and abounding with what they often want provision. I mean what her see foul turtle Shell and Other Fish. Where if they carry in but strong liquor. They indulge a time and become ready for new expeditions before any intelligence can reach. Turn them it. May here perhaps be no unnecessary digression to explain upon what they call keys in the West indies. These are small sandy islands appearing a little above the surface of the water with only a few bushes or weeds upon them but a bound those most any distance from the main with turtle amphibious animals. That always choose the quietest and most unfrequented place for laying their eggs which are to a vast number in the seasons and would seldom be seen but for this except by pirates then vessels from Jamaica and the other governments make voyages called turtle ing for supplying the people a common and approved food with them. I am apt to think these keys. Especially those Nye islands to have been once contiguous with them and separated by earthquakes frequently there or inundations because some of them that have been within continual view as those nine Jamaica are observed within our time to be entirely wasted away and lost and others daily. Wasting there are not only of the use above taken notice off to pirates but it is commonly believed were always in buccaneering piratical times the hiding places for their riches and often times a shelter for themselves till their friends on the main had found means to obtain indemnity for their crimes for you must understand when acts of grace were more frequent and the laws less severe these men continually found favors and encourage hers at Jamaica and perhaps they are not all dead yet. I have been told many of them. Still living have been the same trade and left it off only because they can live as well honestly and gain now at the hazard of others. Nex secondly another reason why the seas chose by pirates is the great commerce thir- by French Spaniards Dutch and especially English ships. They are sure in the latitude of these trading islands to meet with prizes. Booties of provisions clothing and naval stores. And sometimes money. They're being great sums remitted this way to England the returns of the Offi Anto and private slave trade to the Spanish West indies and in short by some one or other all the riches of Potosi. A third reason is the inconveniencing and difficulty of being pursued by the men of war. The many small inlets lagoons and harbors on the Solitary Islands and keys is a natural security. Tis Chen me here. That the pirates their enterprises setting up at first with a very small force and by infesting Lee sees and those of the continent of North America in a year's time if they have good luck on their sides they accumulate such strength as enables them to make foreign expeditions. The first is usually to Guinea taking the Azores and the Cape Verde Islands in their way and then to Brazil and the East indies. Where if they meet with prosperous voyages they sat down at Madagascar or the neighbouring is Lind's and enjoy their ill gotten wealth among their elder brethren with impunity but I may not give too much encouragement to the profession. I must inform my maritime readers that the far greater part of these rovers are cut short the pursuit by a sudden precipitation into the other world. The rise of these rovers since the peace of you tracked or at least the great increase of them may justly be computed to the Spanish settlements in the West indies. The governors of which being often some hungry courtiers sent there to repair or make a fortune generally countenance all proceedings that bring in Prophet they grant commissions to great numbers of vessels of war on pretense of preventing an interloping trade with orders to seize all ships or vessels whatsoever within five leagues of their coasts. Which are English ships? CanNot well avoid coming in their voyage to Jamaica. But if the Spanish captains chance to accede this commission and rob and plunder at discretion the sufferers are allowed to complain and exhibit a process in their court and after great expensive suit delay of time and other inconveniences obtained a decree in their favor but then when the ship and cargo comes to be claimed with costs of suit. They find to their sorrow that it has been previously condemned and the plunder divided among the crew. The commander that made the capture. Who alone is responsible is. Found to be a poor rascal. Fellow not worth a groat and no doubt is placed in that station for the like purposes. The frequent losses sustained by our merchants abroad by these pirates was provocation. Enough to attempt something by way of reprisal and a fair opportunity offering itself in the year. Seventeen sixteen the traders of the West indies. Took CARE NOT to slip it over but made the best use of it. Their circumstances what permit it was about two years before that the Spanish galleons or plate fleet had been cast away in the Gulf of Florida and several vessels from the Havana were at work with diving engines to finish up the silver that was on board the galleons. The Spaniards had recovered some millions of pieces of eight and had carried it all to the Havana. But they added present about three hundred fifty thousand pieces of Eight and silver than upon the spot and our daily taking up. More in the meantime two ships and three sloops fitted out from Jamaica Barbados Etcetera under Captain Henry Jennings sailed to the golf and found the Spaniards there upon the rack. The money before spoken of was left on shore deposited in a storehouse under the government of two commissaries and a guard of about sixty soldiers. The rovers came directly upon the place bringing their little fleet to anchor and in a word landing three hundred men. They attacked the guard. Who immediately ran away and thus they seized the treasure which they carried off making the best of their way to Jamaica in their way they unhappily met with the Spanish ship bound from Portobello to the Havana. With a great many Rich Goods Bales of coaching neon casks of Indigo and sixty thousand pieces of eight. More which their hands being in they talk and having rifled the vessel. Let her go. They went away to Jamaica with their booty and were followed in view of the port by the Spaniards who having seen them either went back to the governor of the Havana with the account of it. Who immediately sent a vessel to the governor of Jamaica to complain of this robbery and to reclaim the goods as it was in full peace and contrary to all just descend right that this fact was committed. They were soon made sensible that the government at Jamaica would not suffer them to go unpunished much less protect them therefore they saw necessity of shifting for themselves so to make bad worse they went to see again though not without disposing of their cargo to good advantage and furnishing themselves with ammunition provisions et Cetera. And being thus made desperate they turned pirates robbing not the Spaniards only but their own countrymen and any nation. They could lay their hands on. It happened about this time that the Spaniards with three or four small men of war fell upon our log woodcutters in the Bay of Kim Peachy and Bay of Honduras and after they had made prizes of many ships and vessels they gave the men belonging to them three sloops to carry them home but these men being made desperate by their misfortunes and meeting with the pirates that took on with them and so increased their number and with that. I think we'll end this evening's reading from a general history of the pirates. One of the first books ever written about piracy. I can't wait to return to this work. And get into the individual stories of pirates along with those riveting statutes and Civil Laws. If you'd like to read this work for yourself as always you'll find a link to a Free Book From Project Gutenberg in the show description if you'd like to connect were suggest a boring book you'd like to hear read contact me on our website at. Www DOT boring books pot dot com or catch me on twitter at Boring Books Pod? I'd love to hear from you. I'm so glad you could join me this evening until our next barring balk goodnight.

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616: I Am Not a Pirate

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616: I Am Not a Pirate

"Support for this. American. Life comes from squarespace, make your website your own with the ability to customize, look and feel settings products and more for a free trial of your new website. Visit squarespace dot com slash American and enter American squarespace think it dream it. Make it. When I was a kid. I was one hundred percent about astronauts, spaceships Saifi, and I was zero present pirates. The fact that pirates were bad asses that they didn't obey rules that they were rebels that did not speak to the little nerd boy that I was one of our producers on a Baker. She was into priorites GI tau scary. They were she told me this amazing story that has been her favourite since she first heard it true story about a man named Steed bonnet who is known as the gentleman pirate. Am basically it takes place in the early seventeen hundreds. I he was from Barbados. So he grew up on a plantation sugar plantation to one of the wealthiest families in Barbados he had ninety four slaves. He was married have three kids, and he traveled in high society, which is unusual for a pirate vast majority of people who turn the piracy did. So out of desperation in this man didn't twos. This. So I've told this story so many times too. So. Many people that I just wanted to make sure I was getting the facts, right? So I decided to talk to a pirate historian. That's Mark Hanna. He's also a professor at UC San Diego. The vast majority of buyers start their lives by mutinying or they gather a crew together, and they steal ship from someone. He actually had a ship built thought I will go down to local shipyard. I'll have my ship built according the specifications that I think are best. And then he hired a crew, and he paid them wages like regular normal people wages, which was like a big. No, no, no. The vast majority of parts that you don't capture ship. You don't make any money you want your crew to be invested in the outcome of attacking ship. So if you know, hey, I'm doing, okay. I know I'll be paid this week. You're going to be a little less aggressive about capturing a ship. And so I think on it right off the bat didn't understand the economic model that is the basis of most pirate attacks. And why did he why did he want to be a pirate? Like what kind of? Midlife crisis is just like, I'm a wealthy landowner with a wife and three kids and I'm gonna go marauding on the seven seas. Well, I it's explained in a book from seventeen twenty four this way. Captain Charles Johnson wrote, quote, this humor of going a pirating proceeded from disorder in his mind, which is said to have been occasioned by some discomfort C found in a married state. Wait. What what what is? He say. He says and other books say the same thing that I what led him to piracy was that he had a nagging wife. No way, they're blaming the wife, they blame the nagging wife so bonnet has this ship built. And he calls it the revenge, and he makes sure that it has a cabin with a well stocked library, which doesn't seem that weird. If you're going to be on a boat for months at a time that you have a lot of books. Most pirates are illiterate IRA after he had absolutely no idea what he was getting into. I think he might have heard stories in the local taverns about the excitement of life at sea. Perhaps he had heard stories that you can go to other islands, and maybe meet other women. But clearly he had no idea what he was getting into. And it seems like the reality set in very soon after he started off on his voyage. And this is what I love about. This story is that instead of just dreaming of this alternate life where he's a bad guy. He goes for it. And. He's the worst pirate. Like, he does everything wrong. Like, for instance, the captain of the pirate ship is supposed to be the most experienced sailor, and bonnet has no experience sailing. So it looks like when he was about to attack ship. He would have to look around and ask advice, which is not something you want to be seen doing as a captain. You wanna be seen as decisive fast aggressive, but they have a few successes. You know, they take a few ships heaving gets a reputation. This is when they start calling him the gentleman pirate. Does he kill people? No. Actually, he's kind of a nice pirate. He captures people. He takes their goods. And then he lets them go good. But then he tacks a big ship. A Spanish man of war and over thirty of his men are killed or wounded. And it's a huge disaster. Bonnet is gravely injured, and they have to escape and flee to the Bahamas and there he met one most iconic pirates in world history. Edward teach is better known. As blackbeard. Yeah. This is where the story takes a remarkable turn. So basically, here's this guy who has idolized pirates, and who does he happen upon, but basically the most famous pirate in the world who is in fact, bonnets polar opposite. He's a successful sailor. He's aggressive he's decisive. He's cruel. He sadistic. But he's also charisma attic and bold as opposed to bonnet who's indecisive nervous and Blackbeard was this consummate performer was incredibly violent. He was unpredictable. There's a reason he's one of the most famous pirates even pirates were like, whoa. This guy is out of control, and he would first appear on your ship. He would have prepared for that moment by tying these pieces of twine called slow matches into his long big beard, and he would light them on fire just as he appeared. So that there was this cloud of smoke and in the smoke. You would just see the eyes of Blackbeard. So he looked like he was appearing out of hell. I don't understand that at all. I could just seems like the fire would catch fire to his beard. He had a method. I'm sure. And this was actually a strategy. Their whole thing was to inspire as much terror as possible because if they may do incredibly afraid you would give up the ship without a fight. Oh, this never occurred to me the second. So the skull and crossbones and all that it's all like a brand to make people scared. Yeah. Their brand was death. They arrive with a school in crossbows. If you think death is coming for you, you're going to surrender. But in fact, some pirates Blackbeard they didn't even kill many people. In fact, there's no evidence Blackbird ever killed anyone till the very end. So it was very theatrical. They're putting on a show, and they understood that and I like imagining these pirates rid of scheming and plotting it out being no ever really gonna this is so scary. Basically, the most skilled pirate needs the least skilled and Blackbeard treats bonnet in a very friendly manner. Which is uncharacteristically of Blackbeard bonnet is gravely injured Blackbeard comes on board and says all captain your ship as help to you. Yes. Extremely rich, man. Yes. So what he's doing? Exactly. All right. He let's bonnet sort of hang out in and he'll in the captain's quarters. Well, he captains the ship. So do we know what Blackbeard gets out of this? We don't know. But bonnets novelty Blackbeard wouldn't have gotten a chance to ever hang out with an aristocrat the end up being together for almost a year. Wow. And at some point black bear gives bonnet his ship back. And when bonnet final goes out on his own again, he fails at pirating so badly his crew begs Blackbeard, they're like, we cannot work. For this guy. He is a terrible pirate. Please take over this shit and so black beard intervenes. And he puts his second in command in charge of bonnet ship, and he invites bonnet over just to stay on his ship for a while. Then he tells him, you know, you're just not cut out for this lifestyle. Just just sail with me. So again, it's sort of this ruse of like hang out with me, put your feet up, relax. This was a transformative moment for Monnet. I think this was a moment when he realized he made a huge mistake. In fact, Kevin Charles Johnson recalled that he at this moment saw has folly and quote, he reflected upon his, past course of life and was confounded with shame. When he thought upon what he had done. So he clearly fell into a deep deep depression because he was like, oh, I had a midlife crisis. And I left my wife and three kids and now I'm pirate. And I'm at it. Yes. That's exactly right. In fact, he he tells the rest of the pirates he actually really regrets actually becoming a pirate in the rest of the pirates are sort of embarrassed to look at him. Yeah. And in fact, one of the historical account said that when he ventured out on deck. He Warren elegant morning gown. And usually carried the book he was reading in his hands. And then he would sort of silk with despair. So he has all this regret about being a pirate. And then something incredible happens, which is that the king issues this decree that there is a pardon available for pirates, and you can return to your life without any criminal charges. So when they get to port he takes the pardon and bonnets plan is to become a privateer with a it's like a mercenary navy that works for the king. Okay. But when he gets back to ship Blackbeard has betrayed him. That is so not a surprise at all. He's plundered his ship. And he's taken his men and Marin them on a deserted island, any leaves them for dead. It saves them. He is really furious Blackbeard in fact, decides he wants to go after and capture Blackbeard himself, which is as you can imagine an astounding misperception of his own skill sets. Here's this guy who had minor success. His crew never respected him goes. After probably the most successful pirates world history who is much more aggressive and things that somehow he's going to enact revenge, and he's finally living up to the name of his ship for the first on his back in the game. Yeah, he never actually catches Blackbeard the Walli chasing him. He finally becomes a real pirate. He takes thirteen ships. He got violent. He logged his men. He threatened to burn down a whole town and to shoot his own crew, if they surrendered and in the final battle where he was captured he and his men kill eighteen people. So you could say that he had some I guess personal growth. Learn specific lessons learned that. If you're going to do this you have to put on the show, and you've got to actually a. Appear to be someone who is it is worth sprinted. Yes. Abundant eventually has matured into a murderous part. Wait. So he had a romantic idea of what it was like to be somebody who like murders people and takes their stuff. And then he actually ends up like actually murdering people and taking their stuff. Yep. That's horrible. Yeah. He becomes a bad guy and the catch him and they put him on trial. We go to switch the world finally thought he was a pirate like mission accomplished. Yeah. Now, it could be hanged at thirty. And there's actually a transcript of his trial. So do the admitting pirate was he proud? No. He pled not guilty. He said his crew held him on board against his will. And that he wasn't doing any of the piracy. And apparently, this kind of defense is typical Marquette told me pirates usually deny that they're parrots or they rationalize it. Like, there's some good reason that they did this, you know, they were poor sailors or they were badly treated, and it was only fair to start sealing from these big trading companies ships. So to defense work. Did you get off? Now, he went to the gallows in Charleston, South Carolina. There's actually a marker in a park there. I goes and hangs out with parents. And even though he does not seem to have the smallest aptitude for pirating. He's becoming a pirate today in our program. We hear the story of another guy a guy who's alive right now guy today who gets near two pirates. Did it change them? We try to figure that out WBZ Chicago. It's this American life from our glass. Are you going to stay with us? No, we're not using. Glenn highway change denier, he may remember hearing about Rachel and Paul Chandler a few years back there. British couple who've spending their retirement sailing around the world, but I told her two thousand nine in the middle of the night abandoned, Somali pirates boarded the boat with guns kidnapped them for ransom. They were held for months and the smelly Bush with threatened and fed a steady diet of goat liver back in England. Rachel's brother, a guy named Steven Collett was negotiating with pirates. He's been eight months trying to work out a deal mostly with pirate called how Lee if I came to an agreement four hundred forty thousand dollars for each one pulse. Freedom a contract was written up and signed in facts to lease office in Somalia pirates have offices and fax machines. And then the day before Rachel Paul was scheduled to be released the pirates let Stephen talk directly to Paul what we have made arrangements poll to deliver money to the parts by plane. To attend clue Dado tomorrow at eleven o'clock. Yes. Yes. Now, it's the plane can run the game to click you. Then you move say with a Mista Muhammed Aiden tomorrow night in Edyta. Yes. Now here how many Aiden he's the district of Nha. Who lives in the show? And he's not apart. I repeat he is not apart. Yes. He's bookie on our side. He's a good, man. You can trust him. I'm an added guy Stephen mentions. He's the governor of a region in Somalia were Rachel empower held. He's actually American Somali American his born in Mogadishu, but spent half his life in Minneapolis must people. Call him by his nickname TI, Stephen says apart I repeat as not apart. It's actually the question of this story TI took a public stand against piracy work to end piracy in his area. But then ended up in a Belgian prison arrested for piracy and for criminal organization. He was in that prison when the story for Sarah today shows a rerun from two years ago. He denies the charges though. Of course, as you just heard denying your pirate is an old tradition in pirating. So is he innocent. Does. He pirate is colluding with pirates. If he is how does a guy who comes all the way from America with the best of intentions hoping to do the right things end up in this situation. Whatever producers Dana is into it t I used to be just another boring data Minnesota in two thousand eight he was finishing a masters degree in public administration at Minnesota state and starting a small health services company. He lived in three bedroom condo in the suburbs of Minneapolis with his wife shops. Oh and their five sons. He was a regular WalMart shopping football loving homework. Checking father he was also active in the small community in Minneapolis. And he did this thing that do good or experts. Do he raised money from other members of his clan? Send back home tried to improve things back in Somalia, clans, run Somalia. There's no powerful central government there and TI's clan is made up of hundreds of thousands of people in two thousand eight the clan was trying to. Restore order to part of the country. They're from a region called him in head a five thousand square mile patch of sand that hadn't had a functioning government since the early nineties a place with no running water rife with bandits warlords were camel herders wandered, the desert and pirates plundered the sees where you couldn't drive from one town to another because the warring tribes wouldn't allow it. So members of the clan from all over the world gathered in Dubai to come up with a plan to create a government there. T-? I went to that conference. He says he was actually picked to run the meeting and he did such a good job the clan. Elders drafted him to be part of a small team. That would actually move to him in heb for three months, write a constitution and get government started. He's the guy who has trouble saying, no. So he flew to Africa directly from the conference. So we let you go back. You were you couldn't go back to Minneapolis. No, you want St. street to know Samaya because they go back home as we would never come back. So in a way, it was set up. Yeah. It was a setup conscripted if at the end of those three months he done such a good job that the local elders asked him to stay and run the place for a few years. He didn't wanna do it lobbied against it for a week. But his friends finally sat him down and said, you have no choice if any of us had been asked we do it. So he agreed. The appointed mate. That was my. They in my tired life. He saying it was the scariest day in his entire life. That's TI talking to me in January. He's calling me from the prison in Belgium. So it's a little hard to hear. I like like little go. Do you remember calling Trump? So and telling her this news. Actually what I do. I think to be honest, you she's she's what's called the both shooting. The one who works in the house. He says it was hard to bring himself to tell his wife. So he asked his friends to call her figuring. She couldn't say no to them. I do I didn't have the ball. First. He told his wife Shaam, so he'd only on a few months, but now he had to explain to her. Well, his friends did actually that he was gonna stay in Somalia for a few years leaving her with five boys to manage back in Minneapolis. Well, he lived in the lawless country they'd both fled years ago. When asked him what is goals were in Somalia? He said he didn't wanna die first of all by much about here today there. Walkway. My team was you know, to to make this vision the best I can. Mic safe to make new Dennis good. You know, like a lot of the appro- walking. And there's a lot of income on, you know, but it was a dream. I've been talking to TI since December. When I visited him at the prison in Belgium. It's a massive and forboding place with a moat for some reason TI doesn't look like a pirate. He looks like a professor he's six feet tall and a little chubby. He's forty four years old goatee that starting to gray. And since we met he's been calling me from phone in the lounge area of his cellblock, we've spent hours talking about his work in Somalia and his legal case, there's always a TV on in the background. So it can get a little tough to hear. Hey, good evening. How are you doing? Hey, I like talking to TI he smart. He has a good sense of humor. At one point. We're trying to figure out how much he's phone calls cost. He thought they were really expensive of a five so five seventy five minute is the best price for my God. I'm. It's like calling unpack Toco somewhere. No, minus not. Keesing you fire. See look at that. To share to. She turns out, by the way. TI? Overestimated, the calls were much less than that only about a dollar and change overestimating might be a character flaw of his as you'll hear. So here's the story. He told me about how he went into Somalia full of hope and good intentions and ended up in the clink in Belgium. TI's? First priority is governor of him in hab was to hire police and set up a court system. He knew he couldn't make any progress unless there was some security in the area. He heard police impede them. Fifty bucks a month? He told me he didn't pay his small administrative staff salary. I because he wanted to save the little money. He had for the police in the judges made sure they'd say on the side TI was setting up a government from scratch. So it's not like everyone just accepted the new order his first month there. The court heard a land dispute two men claimed to own the same piece of property and the guy who lost the case was pretty unhappy about it. So he had a bunch of relatives with guns surrounded the disputed land TI soldiers showed up and the occupiers. One of my soldier died. TI's men ended up killing three of the occupiers. I'm not proud of getting people. But that was actually the point of the respect that we get that's the bay that fishing became real restrictions after that incident. People started to respect he is new administration. He had thority now he was writing laws, and he was able to enforce them. But it was still pretty scary. Every morning when you wake up, you know, you thinking about how I'm going to die today. If I'm going to bet I'm going to bag with bullet. I might go today which kind. I might go into with suicide. I'm going to with my staff can in me. So that suits and the environment too. You're walking on. What I do daily is to solve the problems for the people whether it's lack of food nece water, that's TI tuck into a New York Times video journalist in two thousand nine a year after he started the government in other see you can measure your success. But this is too much of the success. You can see the people is that you have them feel good. You feel about that? That interview happen because New York Times reporter named Jeffrey Gettleman caught wind of the changes happening in Dotto, and he decided to go see for himself to get there. He had to hire one militia for the start of the journey who handed him off to a second militia who driven the rest of the way into Dotto. That we saw lots of new construction lots of houses with brand new shiny metal roofs, a relatively new school new stores like it was like an oasis of development in the middle of very neglected remote area. Did you feel safer there than you did in your other trips around solu-, I felt pretty safe there? And maybe that was totally ridiculous. But I felt safe there because I trust the TA and he had control like I I've been in small enough. I could kinda tell who was the real deal, and who is a pretender, and he seemed like the real deal. I still had one major problem to tackle pirates. They will more powerful than anyone else. I thought the years at TI was governor two thousand eight until twenty thirteen that's on the piracy epidemic was raging in Somalia. In fact, piracy was so pervasive that it was basically its own industry. One the cost the world economy. Billions each year in twenty ten more than a thousand people were taken hostage. Itsy nobody not the Somali federal government or rich. Western nations had been able to rouse them. TI's region was home to one of the most notorious pirate towns in Somalia a place called Herod Darah TI, set up local governments and other towns in the region. But when he went to Jared Darah, the elders there told him not to bother the pirates controlled everything they even set up a pirate stock exchange there in the building for anyone could go and buy shares in pirate venture, they had more guns and more men and more money than TI did and they weren't gonna listen to him. In April two thousand nine TI says he met with the president of Somalia and told him he needed help fighting the pirates. Luckily, the president had worked to radically piracy himself in the same area in two thousand six and it had worked for a little while the president knew someone who could help TI a guy called Mohammed Ali Hassan. He goes by the nickname f we n- which means big mouth. He was a small businessmen. And also, the godfather of modern Somali piracy f Wayne is the guy who figured out that you could run a piracy business like any other legitimate business by reason capital from investors and then funding piracy ventures on the high seas. Did you have the thought of like why would I hire a guy who's a big pirate to run my anti-piracy campaign actually, actually at that time? He was to be honest with you. I'm not hiding in team. It was he was if he says, so he wasn't wasn't hijacking ships no role. He was he was paced. You have office in that time. He's bringing Pat. Oh, that was his business chart is a leaf that gives you a little buzz when you to it. It's legal in Somalia and pirates apparently to the stuff all day long. What was a Flaine like as a member of the committee? What was he actually doing? New must of those guys especially amendment. He knows allow most of the middle, man. Yes. Yes. Even the kingpin a lot because most of them used to work for him doesn't seem like the greatest idea to hire. One of the most notorious pirates to help U N piracy TI said he didn't have much of a choice and actually f Wayne turn out to be really helpful. This was their plan step one pirate shaming convinced the local imams to start teaching people that piracy is forbidden in the Koran. So the pirates become ostracized step to create an economic incentive. Give the pirates other job opportunities that don't require hijacking and kidnapping like maybe create a market for fish step. Three pirate rehabilitation when they caught the lower level pirates. The soldiers TI sent them to a rehabilitation camp top them new job skills, including how to. Read and write and with the pirate bosses the kingpins TI had one especially attractive incentive to offer them to get them to quit the business immunity, which TI points out only applies to the Somali government. It doesn't mean the US or Britain or Belgium, for instance, couldn't capture them later. But he doesn't mention that part to them. You think I never liked them so high I the money line many light the kingpins. Yes. Yes. Lays too good to get them out of hiding, exactly. You have to lie because. You want to finish one to be your legacy? Twenty twelve pirate attacks on big ships had affectively stopped in all of Malia a lot of that had to do stuff that was happening on the water. Foreign navies were patrolling the ocean and maritime company started putting armed security on their boats and sailing faster and further from the coast. And in him and then head in December twenty twelve TI. I held a press conference where he sat on stage is a bunch of local pirates publicly retired in front of cameras and reporters in return for immunity. It was a huge moment for him. It was good. It was the biggest thing I ever done other than I introduced the peace order and good governors. So that's something. A few months after the press conference t I got an Email out of the blue from a guy called unis Collier. Who's with the film company in Europe? He said they wanted to make a documentary about piracy, and they wanted to talk to TI about how he dealt with the pirates in him in head TI agreed to meet New York for few days to talk about the project the filmmakers put him up at the Trump International hotel and tower right on central park. The first morning there UNICEF as up TI noticed. He was a little, hyper and his clothes were in his Mace's us expecting so TI teases him. You don't like, you know, you are in infinite company. It wasn't fancy. It wasn't fancy. I can't see that. So I talked about you don't at don't press like walking in. I I go okay Monday. I would call you have a good trip. Okay. Thanks so much. Have a good have a nice. I don't know. I guess a nice weekend you're in prison. But yeah, you say that okay. Sometimes I forget he's in prison. Anyway, we got back to the story. A few days later TI says Unis's boss was there. Also, they spent three days together took TI on a helicopter ride around Manhattan and out for nice meals. Eventually Eunice got down to business. He wanted TI enough. Wayne to be consultants on the film. What do you want? We gonna show you as he says, we're gonna pay you. You know, your time. How much are they gonna pay you? We be if the portrait finish on everything finished one hundred dollars each God. That's so much money. Yeah. It's one of east. That TI. Agreed. They had one last meal of the Grand Central Easter bar, the filmmakers asked t I to convince f Wayne to help to and once Wayne was onboard. They don't meet in Europe for a week or they'd get to work seventies. In Europe, two hundred thousand dollars each to consult on a film about pirates pirates who could refuse. TANF Wayne landed in Brussels a month later when they showed their passports. There was something wrong. With Wayne's visa they were escorted to airport. Police my gut feeling TENNIS New mean trouble, really what it is. Yes. So after one hour for that, I came. And you know, interest himself. He says, my name is fun hustle. I'm loose. And I'm here to take them away. He was all res all of it was fake Eunice Collier of the meetings in New York the documentary film about Radicati piracy. It was the Belgian federal police the whole time an elaborate plan to lure f Wayne to Belgium where they could arrest him and prosecute him for the hijacking of a Belgian ship called the Pompeii. The pump was taken in April two thousand nine which was actually just a few months before africaine joined up with TI to fight piracy. The Belgians found Africans DNA on a coffee Cup in the captain's cabin of the Pompeii. They use TI to get to African TI's lawyer says the Belgians weren't after TI at all but in their excitement over catching Wayne, they got carried away unlock TI up to did you did you feel a little like, the the world's worst prank had just been played on you. I feel like cheap. A what? Yeah. Cheap very cheap, cheap could unvetted cheap. Yeah. TI enough Wayne the guys who say they put the pirates out of business in him. And and heb we're both charged with piracy. There's pretty strong evidence against he I the Belgians are saying that when TI started working without pointing at Wayne was still hijacking ships, and I got wrapped up in Athens. Criminal organization would insert himself into the negotiations for hostage releases and used to run a little side hustle. He demand additional money from the hostages families. Tens of thousands of dollars for use of the airport at Dotto, that's extortion. The Belgians claim he extorted money from the families of hostages enforce Pacific. Piracy cases, one of them is the kidnapping of Rachel and Paul Chandler. That's the recording. You heard at the beginning of this story. Rachel's brother, Stephen is on the phone with Paul telling him to trustee. I days of good. You can trust him. He's not apart. I repeat he is not apart. But Stephen told me that wasn't how he actually felt about TI in that moment in reality. I was very skeptical of him and forty was just a. A greedy little faith to be honest. Coming up. Story we hear what actually happened between Stephen and TI the actual recordings of the conversations is trying to get the hostages safety. It isn't pretty that's in a minute which Kabul radio when our program continues. 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The TI was involved in with Stephen Colette trying to arrange for safe passage for his sister in his brother-in-law Rachel and Paul who being held by pirates. Again, here's Dana this point in the negotiation. Stephen had agreed to pay the pirates four hundred forty thousand dollars for Rachel in Paul's release TI wasn't involved in that part of things, but he'd offered to help Stephen with the logistics of getting retail and Paul out of Somalia. T I wrote an Email saying his administration, quote are not part of the pirates and don't deal or an share money, and we are not expecting any. This word is capitalised any payment from the pirates or pollen, Rachel family. The only support we are offering was humanitarian support and to facilitate Paulin, Rachel safe passage. Stephen needed permission to use the airport in Dada, which is far as I can tell just a dusty landing strip a few miles outside town as governor TI, I was the only person who could give planes permission to land there. So Stephen called TI to get that permission. Inside. Did she talk about logistics? And then Stephen asks how much is this gonna cost of because we nothing that. Listen, not gonna chart you. And. Kony? I'm not gonna watch you one of the. Money all any eight. I'm doing this material found out. Kinda hard to hear TI says I'm not going to charge you anything as long as you pay the expenses four days later when Stephen calls TI back. There's been a slight hitch in the plan they were going to get the money to the pirates through guy in Nairobi, but that fell through. So now they need to deliver the ransom money to the pirates at the Dotto airport. TI doesn't like this before the plane was just coming to pick up Rachel and Paul. But now it's also bringing a huge sack of cash, and he says that creates a big security risk. He's worried people might get violent and steal the money hill allow it, but he needs extra security. Go ahead. I'm brings the money to to hear music who almost I rented about one hundred people soldiers in the air force today at the secure the barometer on everything indicates, so including the fee and everything it's gonna be twenty one seven hundred fifty. Can you repeat that place? Okay. Okay. We Stephen lorraine's for about seventy to one hundred soldiers to secure the airport, which will cost even twenty one thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars. Stephen wasn't expecting that. I know I'm I'm confused about is cost. Muhammad. You told me many times, it would not take any money. I I know it's it's difficult. The family doesn't have this amount of money to spell because we give. Give name. Money one you want. You know, if you'll find out. Okay. This wouldn't doing Davis landing team the ex- police that we put it expensive. We came up. Like. In other countries, we small unsatiable, it's beyond. We have a lot of effort indicates. I appreciate it. But we just do not have we just do not have twenty thousand dollars. So what are you Ted in me? Is you don't have I understand. But how could I saw this? What do you need school to do you need? So what should I do? Can you feel call? Depending on how you hear this call there. Either in the midst of a beer credit stalemate or a small time extortion. This one. Name. I bet we did. Something goes to the of. Menu. Getting for that TI's saying that the number. He gave Stephen the twenty one thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars. That's the minimum amount needed to cover the expenses for securing the airport. He's not personally getting any of that money. They do some more haggling. And then TI says let me see what I can do a few minutes later. He calls Steven back. He's managed to secure a discount. One seven fifty. And then we say fifty percents. Com. That is gonna be. In. Eighty seven cents. Yeah. You know, we have this money. That have the money, and it's going to take me alone time to get hold of it. To you. This is what he wants is on you'll want that airplane come with the money, not security, and then they hand out everything. That's what he wants. And then the stock in my people on then almost fifty seven people died. Because of this tomorrow, money and vehicle w one closer than anyone head incident. Steven didn't believe the tea I was worried about security. He thought it was a scam. He knew he'd go to he he was in control. It was his field. He do what he liked. We'd spoken to local pilots the Bush points who do sometimes run into these places. A nascent gnome of fee was about one hundred dollars a hundred dollars a normal landing fee. Yes. And he's asking for twenty one thousand seven hundred fifty dollars. That's right. The then he gave us a discount fifth cash. Yeah. He did. The UN released a report that has a lengthy section on TI enough, Wayne and their alleged criminal activity it mirrors, the Belgian case closely, and in it there's a sheet from the Himanen heb regional administration it signed by TI and outlines fees for airlines using the Datta airport. The costs are five dollars per ticket one dollars per sack of outgoing goods fifty dollar security fee for fifty seat flight. Of course, those prices were for normal flights in and out of Dotto carrying regular passengers and bags of chat, not to British hostages nearly half a million dollars, but still given those prices twenty one thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars seems a bit extravagant even with the extra security. I went around and around with TI about this fee, and what it was spent on. And it never added up. Maybe he was pocketing part of the cash. Maybe he wasn't maybe the people he had to pay for the use of the airport and security were inflating their price. There's no way to know for sure. Finally, Stephen gave in they agreed on a price of twenty thousand dollars the money was transferred to a him in inhabited ministration account TI assure Stephen it's modest personal account. He's not a dictator. The ransom and rescue operation is set for June. Seventeenth the pilot will take off from Nairobi at dawn with a leather bag containing five bundles of one hundred dollar bills four hundred forty thousand dollars in total. There's one last glitch, which is that the pilot refuses to actually touch down in Dotto because we won't recoup recoup parts. So instead, he'll fly very low to the ground and two security guys on board will Chuck the ransom out the window into the pirates hands a guy called Allie. He's the pirates even has been negotiating with for months. The pilot will know where Ali is because and I'm not joking here. He will Mark the spot with an X on the roof of his car. Now TI had told Stephen he would supply a hundred policemen to provide security at the airport, but when the pilot got into a data's airspace. All he saw was one lonely car with an excellent it's roof parked off the end of the runway the pilot was already on the phone with Stephen says, even called TI and said. So said the never vaguely paid from town. The pilots Ilias can see. Pick-up coming from town. I with a couple of Maine, in fact, oh my God. So his one hundred security men and five armored cars turned out to be to make up truck and two guys will pick up truck driving into goes in and who were late relate the pilot did one low pass and then on the second. They through the ransom out. The window alley called Steven few minutes later to confirm he had the money. The pirates were supposed to spend the next few counting it, and then once they confirmed it was all there they would hand ritual Impala over. So what what happened? So. Wouldn't Quant and that war dissident to we did have suspicions eve night. We is doesn't sound good. And we did try ringing, Andy, but his phone was turned of night. He didn't hear from Elliot again for two days. And then Stephen got a text demanding another one million dollars in ransom. Eventually Stephen got alley on the phone Alley's gone, full Blackbeard and Stevens stiff upper lip is gone. He tries threats alley mocks him. Here's that call Rabl all bosses, but the Somali parts cannot be trusted the you. You cannot be listed. I will tell you. If you don't. Or? All these old. Do you know that pirates are all thieves were all dirty people like come on? Stephen, what did you expect alley laughs at him? Teaching scum at the owners will never ever trust. You a guy when you're ready to the release of Wrightson pool. Cool me you have number even cool fish time between eleven and twelve o'clock you'll time. Talk about the release of rates on pole. I we'll talk about the money. Didn't release Rachel and Paul for another five months. Fast forward to now, the UN and the Belgians Stephen Colette say that those phone calls were TI's demanding money of Stephen that's extortion. He's refusing to let Steven use the Datta airport unless Stephen pays him in amount that far exceeds the normal cost for use of the airport. And they say this is part of a pattern with TI that he did this in at least three other hostage cases up to one hundred twenty thousand dollars in one case TI says he's innocent of all charges of wrongdoing. But two months after we started talking I heard all those recordings of his phone calls. And I realized that some of the things he told me weren't true. For instance, we were talking about the plan for retail and Paul's release, and he told me. He says there's no cost whatsoever. That's not what I heard on that phone. Call was Steven you're saying you didn't ask him for any money. No, no. I I think I think we can clear this up. I wanna play something for you. So the fees and everything, but the the it's going to come to one and one seven hundred fifty him. Plead him that phone call you heard? I he sounded confused. He stuck with his denial fever quality corny. But I never came out money. Will you just I mean, you just heard yourself, right? Ask him for money in that tape. I just played you. I I just done clearly t I told me the twenty one thousand seven hundred fifty dollars was money. The airport owners were demanding not him. But I mean, you can you can see how this would look like extortion. In a way. Expulsion? But before them social. How is it not extortion of much Monica? Explain how. Okay. So he social. I and son. That's what I'm saying. But to me that time I have that much meaning his administration couldn't cover the expenses. And the fact that no security was on duty when the pilot drop the ransom TI explained that when he learned the pilot wasn't gonna land the plane. He decided there was no reason to send police that day. But he says he used evens money five months later when Rachel and Paul were finally released and in a book Rato in Paul wrote about their ordeal. They do describe drive into the airport with TI in a convoy of fifteen Toyotas and three or four trucks mounted with guns. You had to hang up before we were done talking about this. The next time. I reached him was two days later. Let me go back a little bit. This is I never discussed anyone before this one. What I'm saying? Except to. I I call the airports t. And I told them that this is what's going to happen. Tells me he asked the owners of the airport to let Rachel Paul use it for free as a humanitarian gesture, but they said, no, they said, we built an airport we get to charge people use it. So then TI says he went to the regional parliament and ask them to step in. I wasn't able to confirm any of this. By the way, he says they also said no his hands were tied. He had to ask for the twenty one seven fifty. He said actually, the airport owners weren't making much profit for themselves at that price, regardless twenty one thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars is the number. He no admits he demanded from Steven actually he didn't he didn't like it. No on on on. Who I knew that? Because if I wear shoes it's going to be saying would we'll bist of. Unfeasible theater. You know, like to me something. Plane to him I explained to him again, and again and then. Explain it to him. It sounds very much as though you're telling him I'm in charge of the airport. And and I talked to my committee and we assessed that it's going to cost you this much. You don't explain it to him the way that you just explained it to me, which is I mean, in the way, you just explained to me you're not responsible for any of the costs. But I did want to screen the way. I explain to you. How come I didn't want? I want to show him that was kind of weak in a win. It shows me that I was weak, and I didn't want to show that I and I'm telling you that I never discussed anyone before except you know, what were you worried about? Why were you worried about looking weak to Stephen? Because what I'm saying is if even find out that these I don't have control anything, then he he wouldn't find out that I don't have a control what I'm saying. I'm the man who says, hey, I couldn't pull him in a way. Yes. I didn't like about that. But I don't control Sefton Attias. And and there's a certain elements that I have. No, I thought it whatsoever. T? I told me he was worried that if Steven or the pirates realized he didn't have as much control over the airport as they thought he did that the deal would fall apart and Rachel in Paul would remain in captivity. So he swallowed a bitter pill and demanded the money from Stephen. Yes. Of course, I lost that walk. But I knew I I I'm gonna win another war. I was feeling very complicated. I was feeding vary in a way. Yes. I'm I'm doing something postive and in a way that I was doing something horrible. And I'm the one who's leaving the message both both sides. He was doing something positive helping to free Rachel and Paul, and he was doing something horrible demanding money from Rachel's, desperate, brother. I should do differently. My intention was very goes on never be a pilot of my life. I if I did some call all if I did something still bid or something that some other person like it. I'm sorry. My intention was good. That's that's what I'm saying. I don't know how to explain other than that. Somali pirates were once just some Ali fishermen, but then in the nineties during the civil war when there was no longer government watched foreign boats sail into their waters scoop up their fish and leave unpunished so they decided to do something about it initially the fishermen just wanted to scare the legal boats away. But then some of them started charging those boats of fine finds turned into ransoms and some Ali piracy was born in a semi lawless state like some Olea without a functioning government. Everything is up. Rationalization? One man's fine is another man's ransom or TI's case one man's airport fee is another man's extortion. I think it's possible that TI. Sincerely believes he was doing the right thing. Randall this past a former US diplomat who worked in Somalia and his followed it closely for years. She didn't want me to use her name, but she dealt with TI when he was an dot O, and she's worked with lots of people in Somalia liked TI people who spent years in the US, and then return to work in Somalia. She says people like TI who've lived outside Smalley for years. They often have a hard time when they return she called them in between people they come of age living in the US. Learn how the country runs here. And then they go back and they can't play the US game one hundred percent, but they also can't play the Somali game one hundred percent and they get in trouble. She said TI probably went to him and in head with the best of intentions, but she said quote with no finances to support government functions and one of the most dangerous security situations anywhere in the world TI and others have been drawn into that murky place where they believe that they have no choice, but to find combinations with those who are engaged in corrupt or criminal practices with their western backgrounds. They can't claim that they don't understand what constitutes criminal behavior. She told me TI meddled in too many things he should have stayed out of. And he wasn't savvy enough to protect himself to add layers of deniability have someone else handle those phone negotiations put some distance between himself and the criminals not that. She was advocating these things for him or anyone else. And she wanted me to make clear that she does not condone piracy. But that was her theory. I put this to TI he agreed that he should have protected himself better. Basically the moral of what happened to me? So I learned my lesson which is that you have to protect yourself. Whatever it takes do you think you were a little naive? Yes. I was. That's what I said. Right. I say that wasn't if I get it away. Because I didn't think about the clinical I posted. We we got in Bedford tool that everybody was helping. So that's why. Yeah, I wasn't eve. TI's case is on appeal right now, the piracy charges were dropped for lack of evidence. But he was convicted of being involved in a criminal organization of pirates. If he loses the appeal he could spend the next six years in prison if he wins he could get out in June. Once he's out. He says we'll go back to Minneapolis take a pause his kids. But after that he might return to small Lia and run for president. Dan Chavez since reverse broadcast this story in twenty seventeen TI's appeal did not work out. How we wanted. Here's release from prison in twenty seventeen after serving four years in two months, he returned to Minnesota to be with his family. But then after just six months, he returned to Somalia he's there now and is running for president of one of the states there. To see Yoho. So today, we've heard two stories about how when you close to pirates people start thinking that you're one of them that you're living by pirate rules. So we thought it would close today's program with this story of somebody who got involved with pirates, and then went on to remake the roles remake the rules of piracy here Stephanie FU, so here's a fact, I learned recently that I love the most powerful pirate of all time was a woman. Her name was chang- Isao. She makes the other pirates look like amatuers. She makes Blackbeard look like an amateur. Absolutely. She had way more money. She had a bigger fleet. She pirated for longer, and she was more successful. That's Laura up Duncombe who wrote about Chinese owner book pirate women the princesses prostitutes. And privateers who ruled the seven seas sow was Chinese. She was working on a floating brothel in the early eighteen hundreds when a pie. Britt Chenji propose marriage tour. We don't know much about their love story. So this is a bit of legend. But supposedly at first Cheney sow turned him down and tried to claw his eyes out. Then after some thought she agreed that she would marry him. But only if you would give her half of his fleet and his treasure and he went along with it. Any husband was a pretty big deal already. But once they got married. The two of them got to work uniting warring pirate factions into one pirate monopoly when her husband died. Cheng Sao took over as leader of the pirate empire and grew it to the largest pirate fleet in history. Which some members of our staff have insisted I mentioned is apparently a very Kalisa move. I don't know. I don't watch game of thrones. Anyway, Blackbeard had maybe four ships with pirates, but Chinese how anywhere from fifty to seventy thousand pirates with a around two thousand ships all told this is larger than many legitimate navies of the time periods, certainly the Chinese navy and just one year eighteen o eight they destroyed half of the Chinese navy's entire fleet sixty three out of a hundred and thirty five ships having seventy thousand employees. That's as big as Exxon Mobil, so Jenny sow ran it like a corporation. She had. Offices on shore where she managed her counts. And she came up with a whole new way of making tons of money. A protection racket where salt ships and rich coastal cities paid regular taxes to the pirates. If you didn't pay you got pillaged, it was like the seafaring, mafia, and we're other pirates not doing that. That was really a kind of a chimney so innovation one of her many. How old was she when she was doing all of this. So she was thirty two when she took command. I don't know what I'm doing with my life. Another innovation of Chinese sow the rules on Herships. We know about these from book written at the time in eighteen thirty most captains had rules on their ships. Of course, by her punishments were particularly extreme for instance, rule number one, don't go eight wall. So anyone goes on shore without Cheney sows permission? They get their ears slit if they do it again, they're suffered death. They're they're killed real number two. Don't steel company treasure. Each crew could keep twenty percent of the Budi at plundered the rest went into the company treasure hold and the punishment for taking more again death. There's a pretty consistent theme here. Yeah. Lot lots of death. You know, you you disobey Chinky sow death is in your future. But the most famous rule in her employee. Handbook is the one Laura thinks no other pirate. Had they could not rape their female captives the punishment. You guessed it death immediate death. Chevy's out ran this operation solo for three years. She evaded Chinese authorities until finally China had lost so much money and so much control of its waters that they resorted to something they really hated doing. They asked other countries for help England and Portugal loan the Chinese government ships and with the ships. They come after her and trap her in a bay. They finally have her where they want her. So they have her surrounded people from all over Chinese government officials are coming to witness the end of this great pirate. Like, there's no way she's getting out of this. And they're setting up lawn chairs on the deck, basically to to watch her defeat. They fire on her for eight days, but they can't sink her. Finally, they send out fireboats flaming boats full of explosives to her fleet. But then the wind changes the fireboats. I'm right back towards the government ships and damaged them instead Jenny sow gets away. But she decided she couldn't keep this up forever. So she went to Chinese leaders to negotiate a surrender. She doctorship and walked directly into the governor general's headquarters onshore they're expecting, you know, pirate Queen armed to the teeth with a full complement of like burly bodyguards, come ITO. She's terrifying. Figure and in walks. This, you know, thirty five year old woman with some wives and some children and must have taken them completely by surprise. And I think it gave her the upper hand in the negotiations, and she got an incredible deal that amounted to basically a retirement package for her and her employee's. She got to keep her plunder secured pardons for almost all of her pirates. But she also secured government payouts for her and her pirates to transition into civilian life and spots for some of them in the Chinese navy as part of this Chaney sow wrote a letter. Of surrender to the Chinese government. Laura. Read part of it for me, originally, we were good people, but we became pirates for a variety of reasons because some of us were not careful in making friends, we fell into a bad situation became robbers other of us were unable to secure livelihood or captured and forced into piracy. Therefore, we violated the laws of the empire and destroyed the merchants this was unavoidable. I love how the I love this was unavoidable. Like, yes, like, I I would say almost star cast it because it's clear she holds all the power, and she does not need to do this. Laura says wherever there was piracy. There were women pirates. They spent hundreds of years across the globe. It was an unusually progressive workplace for the time. It's the funny thing about piracy it. Oh, it's you're not going to see a woman could not expect to rise to the ranks where they were competing with men and commanding men in most legitimate societies. And yet we see it over and over again in piracy that these women just sort of excelled, and I I like to think of the stakes were a little bit higher. If they had to go back on land to be gentle lady's sitting in parlors or doing whatever work was available to women of these time periods. They knew what was what was in store for them if they were unsuccessful. So I think they it just made them fight harder work harder. That sounds very familiar. Stephanie. Alone sailing by the stores across the says. With no as kids aids. The. Verde men who. What bug? Stay by Stephanie FU, our staff staffer the show includes Baker Susan Burton Bencun that we chased in Shiva's Sean Cole new drumming. Seth man. Jonathan heave are Robin semi-in Christmas, Attala material, Diane. 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Saturday 11 January

Monocle 24: Midori House

29:52 min | 11 months ago

Saturday 11 January

"You're listening to Monaco's house few Spray Kost on the eleventh of January twenty twenty or monocle twenty four. It's Saturday the eleventh of January. This is his Monaco's house view. Today Nancy Pelosi is just about ready to send articles of impeachment against the US president to the Senate but what happens next. Plus France grinds to a halt amid some of the worst strike since nineteen sixty eight can Emmanuel macron. Find a way out of the mounting crisis. Oh that and the day's newspapers to Monaco's house view starts now good morning. I'm Georgina Godwin win. Unwelcome to studio one at MIDORI. House in London and two twenty twenty. It's all first Saturday edition of the House view in the New Year and a warm welcome to shoot my guests who is celebrating that with me. They are Florence. Peterman the London Bureau chief and tells Hecker from control risks. Welcome to you both. Thank you for coming in good morning. Thank you wanting. We're waiting for our buns until delivered to US whilst where on s I'm really just killing time till I can stuff my mouth with Carter. We're GONNA I need the carbs for the broadcasts today. Well just before we get into the top story and obviously we will be looking at the newspapers in a moment. But first you've just pointed out this cultural phenomenon that we are all very serious minded people at least would like Sweden that way and yet what is dominating the global conversation. It's it's the monarchy after brexit makes it. I mean I've always been surprised. I've been hearing this country since four years of the degree of passion that Brits supposed to be cool-headed can put like into brexit and now in to make because it really becomes like the new psychodrama in the country and it is also taken very very seriously abroad like I was surprised that long which is the most serious news one of the most serious french-speakers who editorial about it and there is for the monarchy monarchy. It's also on the headlines of the fats in Germany which is also this kind of newspapers so something that is a story for tabloids is now so popular popular around the world at even more serious. Newspapers are really concentrating on it like to ask whether it would have serious consequences. Why do you think we care? I think that what's happening with the Royal Family at the moment is something that crosses soon many different types of issues here. You have a young married couple starting a family here. You have a woman who is A feminist thoroughly modern and professional and who came into the royal family from the outside you have concepts of the role of inherited wealth the role of privilege the role of entitlement. You have race in the question. I I think this particular Moment brings together so many different strands that it is genuine captured The world's attention an and the other thing is that yes everybody likes to look at pictures of the Royal Family. Everybody likes to fantasize about the royal family but I think what the rest of the world really likes more than anything else. Good scandal scandal If if if the royal family spent all of their time cutting ribbons in front of schools and hospitals It wouldn't be all that interesting. I think that this is a really juicy moment of scandal. And that's what the outside world wants. And that's why I think the crown does so well because basically what you've got in. The crown is mixed between reality television Russian scandal and the Royal Family. And it's autry it could run forever cut it and don't forget also that family drama aspect like everybody has a family. Everybody ready has or has not to spend Christmas with the family. So I guess everybody can relate to this story some house yeah listen. Let's talk to some talk about something that is genuinely he's This is that the news broke yesterday. That Nancy Pelosi was preparing to send articles of impeachment against the president to the Senate. Now it's essentially the next step in the impeachment process. It'll pave the way for a trial but what fool not child takes is still an open question tells policies playing quite tactical game here And it's all about the what form the child takes to tell us more as like Nancy Pelosi continues to prove herself to be a master tactician in in the politics of Washington. Not just the grand macro politics but some of the machinations nations in the manipulations and the maneuvering of process in the House of Representatives and the Senate in Congress and what she has done and is once. The Lower House of Congress impeached the president's essentially charged him with obstruction of justice and abuse of power. Those charges have to be transferred over to the Senate for the trial But Nancy Pelosi. Who's representative a longstanding servant in the House of Representatives held onto that process? What she tried to do as a couple of things She tried to really turn up the temperature on the White House by creating something thing that would linger through the election process that we've got the campaign for president coming up this year on the other thing that that Mrs. Pelosi wanted to do was pressure. Some of the senators who are up for reelection in the coming year to push for a fair process in the the Senate That may not happen. And and really. You can't run out the clock indefinitely on this process. So what she will do issue will turn this over to the Senate but Democrats in the Senate will push at every turn for a thorough open. an aggressive trial including the calling of witnesses. Because what she said in her letter was in an impeachment trial. Every senator takes an oath to do impartial justice according to the Constitution and lose an influence that is not what Senator Mitch McConnell who's Republican and the majority leader has said that he'll do I mean he's basically saying they will cooperate with the White White House in every way. Yeah and that's the difficulty of the whole story because from the START I mean since the Senate as a conservative majority how are the Democrats going to go over this obstacle title as Nancy Pelosi tries to but in the end they I guess they won't have all the voices they need. And it's it's an electoral year. How can you imagine that two parties is going to to shoot at his own president? I mean I in his own camp it makes the situation more difficult. What about fairness I mean? Of course this is how the Democrats look at it but for the Republican may be there is fairness in this. I mean I don't know. It's just a bipartisan question. In the end although Susan Collins might be a little ray they have hope now. She's a Republican. She seems to be open to allowing witnesses in the impeachment trial. There are a few senators who always waiver up to the very last minute but but then typically including Susan Collins take the side of the Republican Majority Susan Collins herself is up for re election In the coming year. She's the senator from from Maine and under incredible pressure on her home turf and and she has when it came to obamacare and it came to other sort of critical issues that were coming down to a knife edge vote. She's wavered but she's usually caves. You might say at the very end of the process and it looks like while she maybe maybe be be lukewarm on all of this she will take the side of Mitch McConnell and she will Take Caucus with the larger group of Republican Senators Commit Romney for awhile was a bit of a wild card and made a very strong public stance to call witnesses in this process But spoiler alert really in the in this whole process no matter how long it lasts and no matter how dramatic it becomes politically. The president will not be convicted. It's a question really of just how long it's GonNa take in hell painful. The process will be you know. Tell us I believe you and I think you're absolutely right but I would like to hold out some hope that actually actually looking at trump's very very erratic behavior certainly recently His speech about Iran where he seemed just completely out of it. I wonder if there isn't a case for Republicans turning against him for there to be some big health crisis For for it to fall apart. What let's look at this as is a small example? So you had matt gets who is one of the strongest pro trump Congressman supporting a limitation tation of the president's powers in the war powers act. He actually said you know what. Hang on a second. Let's let's take a beat here and let's not let the president go to war with Iran. Willy Willy Nilly and the Republicans trampled him and they said No. You do not step out of line when it comes to defending the president And and you do not break Republican Solidarity So I really don't think no matter what you see. In the president's behavior whether it's legal or financial or political or military or psychological on there is a wall of Republicans who were supporting him and anyone like Matt Gaetz who steps out of line. This is a guy who's as a star of Fox News commentators He stepped out of line and the immediately shut them down. But these are not stupid people they can see that. This man is not rational so is it's just about Paula. Maybe this man is not as Russian or you sit Georgina on Iran. For example you can see now that he's trying. I mean he's quitting putting down the situation like he brought it to a crisis level and after that level of crisis was reached then it was a bit more open to a narrow discussion Russian. So I I wouldn't just describe trump as irrational full stop I mean and why would then the Republican support him if he was that Russian. You can ask the question in another way. I believe. It's because it's it's power at at any price isn't it. They need to hold onto that. There is this duality of the impeachment process in general and that is it is sort sort of quasi legal but primarily political. This is not happening in a courthouse. And you do not have a judge in a robe at the front of the room room and and and Andrew Junior frames absolutely right about saying you know. Is this about party loyalty. Or is this about dedication to the constitution and it's sort of both and the reason why are these processes are so messy and ultimately a bear very very little fruit is that it's the politics that pollutes them. And while there are serious issues of the conduct of state and the highest state officer. It's all going to boil down to politics. Let's move to France on. Says we all shrug our shells. Roller is Francis we know has been brought her standstill over the past few weeks amidst its longest transport strikes in decades. Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets to voice anger over pension reform including thousands of police officers rail employees and more than a third of the nation's is teachers Florence. This was part of macron's election promise wasn't as a pension reform. Yeah reform is was. He's electoral platform actually Now what is a bit different in. This is that He's going further than what he had and Nancy. We do on the pension reform. So it's worth doing. Because majority of people. In France and knowledge. They need reform. They need reform and pension but then after they disagree on how it is being run and Michael has not been the best tactician in this. I think so yes. He said he would revamp the system but There is a new element that is completely blocked. The trade unions and that is at the heart of of the breakage now is that he wants to put in the law the fact that everybody will have to work longer to sixty four years old if he or she wants a full pension and that's the the most contentious issue on which not want to budge and the government doesn't want to budge on this. So that's why it's going on since more than a month i. What does that mean for professions? Where you you can't work that long? I mean. Is this the same across the board even for dancers opera singers people that that generally stop it come to thirty. Yeah so the. The reform is so general you know that of course they will be situation individuals that will make it impossible for it to be fair for everyone so already already. There are some exceptions granted. Yes with the OPHIRA dancers because there is a physical limit to what they can do to the police firemen. I mean my coins been Omah affiliate for his Prime Minister has been granting some conversation to small groups of people which is one of the reasons why now everybody says so it is reform. Is that good. Why did he grant exception? For some of the categories. We also want to to keep our exception. The New York Times has good piece today. It says that the heart of France has long strikes fight between the haves and the have nots. It says That really this is goes back way back can history. I mean but to the to the Revolution Really Floros whether that would be a very simple way to to I mean I said what is really strange again like this French mentality. Maybe I don't know how to describe it. You know you need reform but when reforms then you don't really want it so there is this kind of process where things advance with a bit of pressure from from the top and because people finally accept the rationality of it. But I I wouldn't say it's you know it's not nineteen sixty. It's not a clear evolutionary situation. It's just like this move forward with with the announcement that she thinks should change. But we don't want to change them as quickly because maybe we are conservative country in hand as the executive Steve Want sorry shopping intake of breath. The mention of nineteen sixty eight. And it's good to beat. Forgive me for what I'm about to see is to be in a room with a bunch of people who understand what happened in nineteen eighteen sixty eight off very very young understood what what happened. That witnessed what happened in in one thousand nine hundred but when you talk about the context of what's happening in France and when you try to draw strand perhaps through French history and perhaps the the French social history or not what this does is it slots in very comfortably for better or worse with what's happening around the world. In the last time we saw that was in nineteen sixty eight and so This haves versus have not Are the underlying drivers of similar protests. That we've been seeing around the world. An income inequality is absolutely A driver of of what's happening the the issue in France I think is that there is a certain demographic realities facing the country in the decision countries all around the world that is going to be very very difficult to reconcile economically comically We have an aging population. We have people who are having to work longer To afford to live in a more expensive environment we have states dates That are increasingly hard pressed to pay out social benefits and so the demographics economics and the politics of all of this really really sort of point to an increasing standoff whether you see it as haves or have nots or people who are accustomed to a certain level of social accommodation accommodation and feel that threatened This is a collision. That's happening around the world where we don't call that social accommodation the welfare state slightly euphemistic in my expression with because and speaking too much truth to say that the French have it. Pretty good actually. Yeah I mean yeah compare but you no. This is what Obama try to do in the United States. We have a better system. This is something every democratic country should look for you know. So they haven't I'm having a There is also lawyers involving the strike lawyers have been striking because they want to change their system. So it's not only the have Kevin have not. It's I would say it's more like the welfare state which is being attacked? I mean this is how the Phillies Uh of Florence obviously there's been huge transport disruption and we know that that kind of gets to the heart of everybody who's just trying to struggle to work and make a living has there been any kind kind of loss of public sympathy because of that there is still a majority of support against the reform against how these described by now the support for the strikes is where let's say around fifty percent so it's difficult to say whether it's over or a bit ender but what you feel when you're in Paris is which I have been for for a few days at Christmas. There is a kind of tensions did because everybody's is has to walk and walk in or if you want to go from one point to the other you know. Do you have to walk even for hours. So maybe the first days it was kind of Nice Cetera but you feel there. Is this tension. Everybody knows to get to work. You will stand like half of day. There is this tension but still it didn't reach the point where everybody would would scream at the strike and would be against so there is. This is precarious situation. nobody know how this crisis will end. I mean the prime minister is supposed today to announce some discussions concision fission whatever nobody knows how it can last still for weeks but again the public support. Let's support there is no re rebellion against this strike. Let's say people are pretty patient. Actually infringed terms. I would say yeah. I mean the French Democratic Confederation of Labour. That's a pretty. Moderate Union has suggested tested a potential compromise but doesn't seem to be following through on that yet they are ready to discuss with the government on ways to balance the budget the financing of the reform But they don't want this the. Id still refused the ID to work at sixty four so will make compromise we will. Let's see some ground. That's what we see in the coming days Should we have a look at the newspapers because Well lemonde is actually the first one that I want to go. Go to because It is carrying the story about Iran admitting that unintentionally hit the cranium passenger jets. That's on the front page of lemonde. And I think that's right when you have people standing outside having a cigarette in holding their mobile phone camera up into the sky or able to show an aircraft and missile meeting mid air. You really wind up with fairly incontrovertible evidence that there was some sort of accident and that the plane did not suffer a technical failure. I mean you have to wonder on the eve of a missile campaign It just can't be a coincidence. That an airplane crash when it was coming out of Tehran airspace and so yes Iran has now reversed its initial position and has said that it accidentally shot down Ukrainian international airlines aircraft. Killing one hundred seventy six people on board and Ukraine now will be pushing for a full investigation Asian a full admission of guilt and complete compensation to all Ukrainian citizens and entered the company into everybody else who was on board the aircraft but I mean Iran has issued a complete meal Copa Statement and said that they will be legal proceedings and all the rest of it I think it's slightly old that somebody happened to be out filming an innocent aeroplane when suddenly it's blown up where it was not an innocent situation. Maybe that's why you know I mean it was just a day after this attack against An American busy now in Iraq so yeah of course The whole country's unnerves I would say why such a mistake and of course it's it's difficult to understand but the situation the atmosphere the tension. I mean that's That's what made it possible. Now you'll bundle comes if he wants to do the next in your mouth full. That's okay we can cross to the Times now. Now we quite often referred to this columnist not only is he a good friend but he is. I think one of the better columnists and still looking at that Charles Johnson's just at the front page of weekends. Lars struck by. There is some extremely to become public. Food the powerful looking topless men on this but what we're actually censorship on the media is really is alive and well here in the studios of Monaco Nicole. We can talk about them a little bit later The but the point is right now. What we want to talk about is somebody who certainly does not look like that? In fact he gets flabbier by The day but we're not going to the prime minister musty Paris's who I'm talking about. What a great analyst I think he's he's a former? MP A former conservative MP An an a great great political writer. He's got a piece in today's time at the leading article and he is talking about. The fact thought that Boris Johnson is admirably dull. He says that he's businesslike. An unshowy. The remodeled Prime Minister seems more keen on getting things. Done the eyecatching initiatives. And it's really very good peace and he points out I think absolutely accurately when you look Johnson at the dispatch box during. PM Cues News and all the rest of it. He is just plowing through. It's not showy. He's not particularly making jokes. He's not scoring points. He is just trying to get things done. That's very unlike in his previous image. Isn't it yeah. I mean it's not good for journalists. You know because I you know after we to read a May in parliament for euros we wrestle wrestle happy to to have various coming and making some jokes. Now I mean what strikes me is what my conflict about Johnson by the way like. Don't underestimate the guy like he has has been described for years years. Be buffoon lie guys but under these surveys of jokes etc.. There is an agenda there. He's a politics and if now a realizes that he has to endorse this new. This new clothes new attitude. He's clever enough to do it. Obviously uh-huh I mean this. This piece makes the point that because he's being journalist himself because he's very aware of what goes into the kool-aid he's not going to drink it. Yeah I guess time will tell on this I mean leopards may be may or may not change spots and perhaps the buffoonery and the messy hair and all of that is really all a gag or some sort of act but What I thought it was impressive about the piece is the glimpse of how the Prime Minister Conducts Cabinet Business You know he tells us that. The prime minister want his ministers to speak quickly efficiently to the point to get down to business. He doesn't want them out glad-handing the public he wants them in their offices solving problems And being so sharp and to the point much in contrast to his own persona. I think what what might have happened here. Is that the Boris Johnson Particularly after the general election already been prime minister but particularly after the general election has resumed office at a particularly serious time in British politics with Brexit but his sort of re election was accompanied also by major international crisis. So so it's time to sort of wising up and it's time to act statesmanlike. Bear in mind that this is what everyone thought would happen to president trump when he assumed office that that the public persona would would fade and that he would grow into the role in that is that is cleanly not happened So if Boris Johnson is being boring and and if he's being business like We'll see how it holds up. Let's go to Vladimir Putin Because the Times the F. T. we can magazine runs a piece Talking about Putin generation and of course these kids grew up knowing no other leader in in Russia. And I know Florence. We've discussed this before you've actually interviewed piece in yourself. Yeah I mean The maybe the rest of the wittenoom western with doesn't like him very much but Putin is still popular popular in this country not only with the younger generation. I don't know the last polls abutted but now there is also economic difficulties in Russia. But he he he is still like this popular guy who gives some splendor back rush hour. Who is holding the country? So it's not surprised that the younger generation nude eh would be a part of this and see him as a as the right mind for the country e gave us a big Russian connection charter with Moscow Times fears and that's hard. I used to be a journalist journalists in Moscow myself and I know how difficult it is to pull off stories like this and so I recommend everybody read it because it is. It's comprehensive. It's got sweep and it's incredible granularity and Henry who's the Moscow bureau. Chief of the Financial Times has crisscrossed the nation and interviewed People who have only known a President Putin and no other leader And and it's a it's a fascinating read and then it kind of becomes a bit predictable. you have the constituents who say I love the president. Putin he's fantastic. I hope he stays in power forever. I've got a great life. I've got a great job. I've got a great home in a car and going very nice holidays so you know Viva Putin and And then you've got the other half that really has absolutely no grasp of how politics works and and how political institutions are meant to work in the fact that politics needs fresh blood And President Putin is was appointed on New Year's Eve of the new millennium into thousand And still has until. I think it's twenty that you twenty four to serve out his current term and really. That's a very very long time in office for anyone. And just the idea of term limits or the idea of turnover. The idea of injection of fresh ideas into the political process is completely lost on part of of this Putin generation. And just the final thing that I'll say is that What the article doesn't do I don't think is is interviewing clearly the thousands and thousands and perhaps even more of younger Russians who've just left the country who have voted with their feet and who are living in London or New York or in Paris or Frankfurt or anywhere anywhere else around the world because they've given up on Putin generation they're out? Yeah Yeah Turkey about fresh blood. I wanted to have a quick look at the end At a man where the Sultan has died A successor has been appointed not really interesting way to appoint a successor. What can you tell us about that? The envelope please. Sultan caboose died yesterday at the age of seventy nine after having been the monarch of the Salton turn in Oman. Since nineteen seventy the region's longest serving monarch he died without an heir and he left left his recommendation for his successor in an envelope But that he left that process fairly opaque and we believe in the media is telling us that you know the print and online media or telling us that that that the envelope may have been opened it may not have been opened in any case he has appointed a new sultan whose name Ms Hi. Tom Bin Talal Sayyed. Who Comes from the Royal Family and is currently serving as the Minister of culture? This is an individual who has fairly wide experience in Omani diplomacy and has judged as a fairly worthy successor Alekos Florence. That's going to be really important because looking at the region. Oh man is kind of Switzerland cylinder the region and what happens next. Iran is going to be very much influenced by the countries around it. Yeah what what you need is is stable country. And since it's the cousin of the return I think young blood I mean. It's ten December in the family. But this is kind of reassuring to know that this dynasty can go on because online mine is one of the few country you never hear about in the news. For the good reason that nothing is happening like riots Islamise whatever and talking about the dynastic thrown if you like it's time for us to conclude this program so we can all go and bury ourselves and get more coverage make which is what I know you're longing to do Florence Peterman and Charles Hecker. Thank you very much indeed for coming onto the today. That's all supervising producer was ben and Ryan are researchers. Giacomo Harper and studio manager was nor hope. I'm judy gold. Thank you for listening.

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The Reality of Materiality, with Greg Thomas

Buddhist Geeks

1:10:05 hr | 2 months ago

The Reality of Materiality, with Greg Thomas

"If you're interested in exploring the way that race conditions are human experience and you recognize the crucial timing of this exploration. I'd encourage you to check out an upcoming course on cultural intelligence with one of our most recent podcast guests, Greg. Thomas. Greg's work is informed by integral theory. The philosophies of Albert me and Ralph Ellison. And draws upon the rich history of the African American experience. Jazz. Beginning on October fourteenth this nine week series aimed at transcending race and embracing Cosmos will delve into our crisis of meaning and the meaning of crisis. Visit Cultural Intelligence course dot com to learn more. Okay I'm here today very excited and delighted to be joined by Greg Thomas Greg. Thank you for taking the time this morning to speak with me and the Buddhist geeks. Thence, thank you so much for inviting me. I. been looking forward to our conversation ever since we met. In, Canada for the TIN directions into rule. Next stage facilitation. Work with Dynamo, show Hamilton, and others. And thanks again for inviting me. Yeah my my absolute pleasure. It was such a cool thing to meet you and your partner. And Wife Jill kinch. Thomas. There I really feel like I learned a lot from our personal exchanges going back and forth together know over dinner and over some great food exactly with the best way to have a conversation. and. At just so much appreciated hearing about this unique kind of background that you that you Your story, really your your your life I was fascinated by your connection, your personal connection to the Sorta jazz lineage through Albert Murray who you mentioned was a mentor of Yours and Ralph Ellison some really famous important names in the world of Jazz And you know I'm such a neophyte when it comes to stuff. So I really I don't know much about the history here, but I understand that's a big part of your background is as a historian and critic of of Jazz and you do some amazing work through the jazz leadership project along with jewel using jazz to help. Bring certain principles to life in terms of how we actually operate in the world through our business. Through through our lives. So I am just fascinated by that. That's a huge that just by itself. This is so fascinating and interesting, and then on top of that you mentioned Diana. Show Hamilton. In this integral facilitator training. So you also have a background as I do in integral theory and the work of Ken Wilber a really important part of the St. radical body of work We have also, there's a sort of integral background and you've really spent a lot of time. Using that model it sounds like to help with your kind of thinking about a number of. Interrelated. Issues. Then, of course, as a black man living in America which you know that doesn't seem like a crazy puts to be right now it hasn't been ever. You're sitting at the intersection of race of all these cultural. Movements the huge cultural change going on since the murder of George Floyd Brianna Taylor I mean it's such a huge amount going on right now and you seem to be sitting right in the middle of a lot of it for what I can tell and so I was so excited to talk to you and hear your thoughts on jazz on this current moment that we're living through on race on integral theory and what that can bring to to the difficult painful moment that we're living through together. Okay. Well, just on what you've laid out there that that should take us. As a couple of hours right there man. I'm very open to. Every need to get through this. Okay. Cool. Well, where do I begin? Now this is quite a moment that we're in. As A. As a humanity. As as as a nation in the united. States. As people who identify with certain. Identities. And the question of of how culture plays into this. Should be a recurring theme through our conversation. So I just WanNa plant that that seed. But. I think one of the key things when we talk about race. because I'm speaking to you and speaking to your particular audience, I like to. Take my response to that issue. To a place in the many discussions and conversations and dialogues and and panels that I've actually been on. Over the last several months since The killing of George Floyd in the murder of. Beyond a Taylor that. I haven't really taken there but I think. This is so fundamental that I wanNA start off with. So I think race when you look at it from. A deeper spiritual place. Is One of the many ways. that. Human beings in this case. Western people western men in particular. Have used to amplify ego. And to separate. Human beings based in certain categories and then based on that separation. To Build. Structures. Institutions That solidify the separation. A hierarchical caste like fashion. So I think that that race is a is a divider. Is a categorization. Of Human Beings and human reality. and it would it was actually set up to do just that and we can go into all the details in the history on there, but I think fundamentally. That's what race is now to be a little more specific. Race has, to do with. Looking at human beings and creating. types, stereotypes. Myths based on. The, outer external. physiological components of human beings particularly pheno type though their skin color the shape of their heads and they all kind of stuff is all about. External appearance and then imputing upon that external parents as connected to certain geographic and historical origins and such a certain characteristics. Now, if we can just take a step back from that and look at it like that. We could realize how Absurd it is on its face from. And I first person perspective. Ones outer appearance ones corn quote race does not determine how I. Think what I'm interested in how I necessarily see and perceive doesn't determine whether I'm at a traditional. Center of gravity modern center of gravity postmodern or above whether that's integral or Meta modern your race doesn't determine that. From a first person perspective. from a second person perspective You know the we space or US or the thou relationship it gets a little more tricky. Big because at the first person perspective if. We believe that the idea the concept of race has validity. and. That's actually part of our belief system. then. The way we. See it behave in the world will actually Impart. Some. Real. Some reality to how I interact with the people. Okay. So when I talk about that, we space say tricky. It is that what we call culture. If encoded, rid with race then that becomes a part of our value system and that type of things if we can look at race for the Maya, the illusion that it actually is. then we could start to disentangle ourselves from that particular identity marker. And focus on the more bidness it in generative aspects of Culture values, tools and meanings that we use to make sense of the world to engage in the world to create It much. It's much easier to do that and then you get to the it toward the. Third Person. And You. Know you have objective reality now if you're first person And your second person actually incorporates race. Then, your third person objective reality is going to show up. In your institutions in your systems and your structures you see. and. Laws and your laws absolutely and it does it does so some. So that's a way of looking at to kind of disentangle it From those levels but I start off by saying that race is just one more two of the EGO to separate. And to create. Structures whether it's subjective. into subjective or Active structures. To separate divide and categorize. I really appreciate you saying the the second person, the we space is tricky. I thought was just like all relationships are tricky and then. And then and then the second thought that came came to to my mind around this is you know how? From the perspective of A. As you said encoding race in in the second person racial identity and particularly the white identity. That it's been becoming even more clear to me not just on a conceptual level, which is always it's been pretty clear from the beginning but like an emotional level as well. that. This is an identity that exists. It's part of my. It influences who I take myself to be. It's part of what's in. It's not determining as you say, but its influence in deep and often unconscious ways influences. Who I am in any given moment and I I can see this conditioning arise at times and it's like Oh God. And it's Not Owning that part of. My identity in the first person likes like not being like, Oh, this whiteness is part of who I am. That seems like. The classic move of pushing something into the into the shadows. And it seems like that's the state we exist in right now racially automatically with that conditioning that you come into, it weren't into it. There is this giant shadow. That is so true man. Because we live in a racialist. Society. You know. Who as children we grow up. And you know if you if you're dealing with two three year old and they're playing with the kids. There they don't give a crap about. You know that kind of stuff, but because it's encoded. In our language in media. It's just encoded in so many aspects of social cultural structures that that awareness becomes encoded. And his and his. Clear. But it gets down into the unconscious. Yes. See Now with black folks, you know black Americans in particular that kind of Understanding and realization. It can't stay at the subconscious level it it. Or unconscious level because. We are so confronted. With. Race racialism. Racist ideas, racism all of those things that have to do with race so much in so many ways that. It's Less. A subject than an object is about the subject and object. For Black folks. So we don't we don't have the. Put this in quotes luxury of not being aware of it. But the thing about this moment that this crisis in this multilevel level crisis. Crises where we're referring to. The opportunity that is there is four raced to go from unconscious subconscious. Subjective place. To a more overt, you know objective place in our understanding of it, not just from a third person perspective in terms of laws, institution structures but how it actually does involve us on the first and second person level so that we can say We can analyze it. We could we could be reflective about it. We could say, wow, I wasn't quite aware. In a particularly for Cohen quote why folks I wasn't aware of how much this actually. is a part of not only my life, but the way I have been in the world and and again see this is very. Very. Touchy areas that ended up because of the way dealt with triggering a lot of people because when I say this I, think that your listeners can tell that I'm being very careful not to. Throw shade to use vernacular expressive expression or lay guilt or blame particularly on an individual or even to look at folks as a group. Okay. Because it is really important to take it there to this moment this opportunity. To reflect and contemplate. The role that race has played and continues to play and to actually be critical to think critically. About it. And look at what can we do to not allow race. To. Be As deterministic. To the life chances of so many people pro or con. What can we do to make sure as we deal with one another you and I haven't a conversation here. that. Now. We're talking about the subject of race but if we were talking about the subject of race and we were talking about something that may not have anything to do ostensibly with race to not allow. Race to come in in such a way that it gets into the way of US actually. Communicating based on our commonality based on the things that we could do and structure in work on together you know not to deny. Race As. Implicated in. The environment that we're in because we're in the environment and I think that the problem with a lot of folks who identifies why is that they had the? To not even be aware or care or it didn't affect them in that way but I think that there seems to be. So. Many people now not only asking themselves questions in having these conversations but are actually you know in their organizations Saying. Look we have to deal with this I think is particularly younger generations I'm I'm approaching sixty men. So I'm Tom Younger generations who are like saying enough is enough we gotta deal with this so it's bringing up so much I just think there's an For us to grow learn into advance beyon- where we have been as a nation for so long. That there's something in what you're saying that it just strikes really home to me and part of what I've noticed in the exploration of of race in my first person experience in the the actual meditating on race. it's. One it it's just so obvious to me as a meditative. Having that having had that training. That the phenomenology of of of this is so real. You know it's it's the experience of taking the. Unconscious bias test on on the website Harvard's website and feeling the difference in the body mind going from white faces to black faces and kneeling this shift of like suddenly I'm not moving as quickly I feel like slower and there's a heaviness and if feeling this distinct shift in the body mind and knowing conceptually there's a doesn't make sense in. It doesn't add up on a conceptual level, but at the semantic level a drill, it's real and it's that is so true. And I to me that. That's something I think the meditative traditions may be have to offer if we if we could retool them. For that purpose. You know that's what I've been doing my own personal. We're taking big mind Diane Diana Gimpo Work and being like, Oh, I, guess I've never really sat there for awhile and and seeing what I noticed as a white person. Great. You Know How ya? No. Absolutely absolutely. I think when you mentioned body mind that. So key because we've been alluding to integral and I use the first second third person I we it construction. As. A way of. Talking about the same ideas? But if we look at. And I presume that you're listeners are for the most part inch aware of can wearables. Four quadrants if we look at the upper right quadrant of the body, the brain, the nervous system. Then, there's so much work to be done the air the so mad work that is so needed, and this is where and I've become very recently familiar with this work within psychology and For example, JIM named Menachem. My Grandmother's hands is the book then he wrote. That it very powerfully deals with what he calls cultural. So maddix that there's actual trauma embedded in our bodies with the dentist black white, any include police. Officers in this, which I think is very good. this trauma that over generations has been embedded in carried forth. And that there are ways of actually dealing with that integrating that healing that and I think that's that's I think the meditative work. And contemplative work is a key aspect of it, and then there are other ways of I think. So magically dealing with that within our by. So all of this part of the process that I think that. So many of us need to go through. To be able to move beyond where we have been stuck for so long. I get the I get the strong sense as you're talking I imagine you're this possibility of like the experience of race and identity around race and the pain that's inherent in that identity right now. On any, you know there's pain. There is pain. Yes. and. I just get the sense of a possibility of liberation of certain kinds of freedom. As a potential and that's a really beautiful thing time. Now, let me ask you a question. As a Buddhist when you talk about freedom and Liberation Yeah, what that means from a Buddhist. For me, it has to movements of one is the waking up movement. Which is kind of where I was pointing to their of this feeling of like this heavy dense contracted. Self referencing. Being. Released emptied out and seeing what makes this contraction up it's just Sensations just this. You know it's nothing we have to actually ultimately be scared of. At the basic level at the basic level. and yet. And yet, then there's the self in the EGO and so for me part of liberation is the dissolving of that self sense and finding a freedom beyond. What I think I am. And then the other part is the. You know as as Wilbur, talk about the ascending and descending it's the waking down or the coming back into. Life from that more free perspective and seeing. Oh, well yes that's true and. This conditioning. Still is intact. It's still continues even if I see that I'm not. Completely wrapped up in it. and so I have to continue working with both. The particulars of my life because the absolute doesn't negate the particular it just. Highlights you know that it's a both end situation. We're both vast incomprehensible and to me that's our shared commonalities be as like beings and we share this one consciousness that we. That makes us who we are I guess, and then at the same time we have different. Conditioning so that for me, the non dual awakening is the realization that there is no complete transcendence you know that. We have to always return back to our lives as it is into the conditioning that we've inherited the intergenerational trauma as you mentioned. And that like this is the work actually as a body. Safa someone who wants to wake not just for themselves. But for all beings like that commitment that aspiration which is deep in the Buddhist tradition relief for me, it means having to come back to engage with the particulars of my life. With that liberation in mind you know that it's possible I know at some level it's possible but I don't always realize it. And Context situation, and that's to me that's the collective. Awakening work that's that's needing needing to be done. Thank you so much for yet answer and there's a word that we haven't mentioned. You mentioned pain. So we have alluded to it but this is a word that I. Think within Buddhism is really key suffering Yes. Go through this process that you're talking about so that we can address in alleviate suffering. Ourselves and to help others do the same. So at you know our challenge in the twenty. First Century. Is Not to you know in a in God bless. The tradition of monks you know who go off in it. So I am not critiquing that. So those who want to take that path, but I think for most of us. Spiritual realization. Is going to have to do with. Liberating freeing our own. Mind Body Soul Spirit right. Yes for the purpose of engaging with in helping others alleviate their suffering also. Right. So so so I really appreciate which which is saying and what I like to do. Is share just. Two paragraphs. From a book called turning the wheel. Oh cool. Is this Charles Johnson? This is. A cool. Looking for the National Book Award winning. Author this book turning the wheel is subtitled essays on Buddhism and writing. for those aren't familiar Charles Johnson IS A. A professor emeritus from the University of Washington in Seattle he is ME. Unbelievable writer and thinker numerous novels one of which won the National Book Award Middle Passage. he's written fiction and nonfiction screenplays A. This guy is received all kinds of awards. Guggenheim MacArthur. He's incredible and he's up, he's been a Buddhist for maybe forty years. and. So when we have someone who is such a great writer thinker. And by the way his PhD me, he's covered the whole history of western philosophy. You know. So he's dealing with all the East End West. The see what he has to say about the intersection of food is. And race and such, and I think these two paragraphs from this book from the chapter. Entitled Asanga. By another name. which starts the black experience in America. Like the teachings of shock Muni Buddha begins suffering. Okay. But further in the checkout what he says here. The emphasis in Buddhist teachings on letting go. Of, the fabricated false sense of self. Positions issues of race as foremost among some saric illusions. Along with all the essentials conceptions of difference. That have caused so much human suffering and mischief since the eighteenth century. It frees one from dualistic models of epistemology that partition experience into separate box likes box like compartments of minded body. Self and Matter and spirit these divisions one sees our unto. Logically the correlates of racial divisions found in South African apartheid and Americans segregation and are just as pernicious. More than anything else the Dharma teaches mindfulness. The practice of being here, and now in each present moment without bringing yesterday's racial. Yesterday's racial agonies into today. Or projecting oneself one's hopes and longings into a tomorrow that never comes. You watched the. Play. Of desires and emotions for example, joy fear pride and so called black rage as they arise an awareness but without attachment or clinging to name and form, and then you let them go. One is especially free on this path from the belief in an enduring quote, personal identity unquote and I in Disley called upon to prove its worth and deny its inferiority in a world that so often mirrors. Negative images of the black self. Yet one need not cling to quote positive on quote images either. For these two are essentially empty of meany. Indeed you recognize impetus soon, Sunata as the. Nature of reality. In my own fiction, I have worked to dramatize that insight in novels such as the OX hurting tale nineteen, eighty to a slave narrative that serves as a vehicle for exploring eastern philosophy. Middle Passage Nine, thousand nine, hundred, ninety, a C. adventure tale about the slave trade and a rather Buddhist African tribe call the al-Mutairi and Dreamer Nineteen Ninety eight of fictional account of the last two year. Two years of Martin Luther King's life that highlights his global ecumenical spirituality. Isn't that something. Yeah it's really fascinating to hear him applying his kind of. Dharma understanding to these issues. It's inspiring. Yeah. So you know. For your audience I've wanted them to know that there are. The. Individuals, there are thinkers there people out here who actually done work from this angle. Of insight. And I. Think is really important to to be aware of them. I mean there's another. Scholar Bell. Hooks. Yes. WHO'S Both the Christian and Buddhist you know there's the great jazz musician, Herbie Hancock who is a? Time Buddhist I. Think. Your listeners would uh. Would would would do well to check them out for themselves, and perhaps you can even have them on your show. Thank you. That's great. Thank you for the references and. It's a growing list of inspiring people who I Love I love seeing this non the non duality that wisdom of non duality sort of being applied to to sort of experiences of racial duality and you know in a way that's genuine. That's not a spiritual bypass I also see that also very commonly done. No it's like we're all one. We don't need to deal with this stuff. It's like, no no. Not. That one. Exactly. I mean and a one level we are. And I guess that gets to the paradox of of a reality. On the human level human plane because there is the truth to the fact that we are all one and that we share in the NF ability of the source of of the fullness of emptiness. In all these things that signify using human language that. The ineffable. Our origins are source. From an through which all things come and flow and towards which we're moving, right But inbetween time. No on this human level in this particular incarnation. We have to deal with. The reality of materiality of the material plane that we're on. And that materiality itself is. Going to bring suffering. You know the duality will do that non duality is oneness but. We, you know we we have to navigate. We have to navigate skillfully using skillful means Between and among ns where we get to wisdom. You know I mean wisdom allows us to. Deal with in his the jazz miles to be able to you know play. To with. These do allergies. At the wooded such a way because if his if his wisdom, then it takes in consideration. I we it takes in consideration the dual in the non dual it tastes can consideration the reality of the oneness and particularity? Of the mini yes. It does all of that right in specific situations. Able to integrate meinhard Gut in such a way that what you contribute whether it's. what you say what what you do. Able to contribute in such a way that it helps to lessen suffering. And generate. something. Better. Something better man that's what we have to move towards. It. I've heard you talk a little bit about the this phrase blood thinking i. think it was a term that maybe Ralph Ellison used. Yes. And ethnocentrism, and we haven't really talked about development much A. Big Part of you know the same kind of modeling that you use. I find really helpful. The egocentric ethnocentric world's at the same stuff we worked with Diana on unit training. You know. I can't help but think about that with what we're talking about because it seems like there are you can have a non dual experience at any stage of development, and so it makes sense to me that someone if they're if they really are rooted in a kind of blood thinking or central like me and my tribe like is the primary that's who primarily identified with right. That that to have a non dual experience could be so easy to interpret that as like we're all one and you know this one Mrs White. Or black or it's you know whatever the identity is right but but it seems like what you're pointing to here it's an what Charles Johnson was pointing to kind of. Somehow a deeper kind of non duality with with I with racial identity itself being something that that kind of opened up and. UNHOOKED from in a in a particular way. Absolutely as far as the blood thinking, May that that points directly to like an ethnocentric identity? You know I am. connected to others others based on familial. Akin relations that I can trace back to a particular ethnicity. Okay. Yes. So but-but blood thinking goes actually beyond that and goes into race. So the idea is that. This is sell so ridiculous because what we know about, but it's different blood types but that actually. Different racial groups have different kinds of blood and that based on that blood of coursing through the veins that the racial blood that deterministic two aspects of their personality to their behavior to their potential at mean. In in a very sure there's more sophisticated ways I'm trying to put it in a very basic way of description describing. that. You know frankly the absurdity of it can be clear but this is actually connected to a word that Johnson using that passage essential ism. Of. If you have an idea that based on someone's. Racial characteristics or some type of identity characteristic. Or their blood. that. That is determinative of other things. Particularly when you mark those things negative, that's essential ISM. Else. words is unchanging. That's the way it is necessary. It's going to be any. So that's that's that essentially idea in. Yes. He's a very, very, very problematic. To say the least but the problem in the paradox of someone at ethnocentric stage of development having a oneness state experience. Is that. Well. I shouldn't say the paradox I I should say that. If. At whatever stage of development egocentric ethnocentric console on. If one meditates if one goes within in goes through that process in actually has the kind of experience I think the tendency is not only full one's own. Center of gravity or stage development ought to. Up I think that there isn't the potential for evolutionary advancement through that experience. About. Is a contradiction between having a oneness experience. But then interpreting that experience that this is. Only because of my ethnic group or only my ethnic group can have this experience or might racial goop. That's contradictory. Doesn't it really doesn't make sense So then. One would hope that that would cause people to start to shake up some of those. Models of. Human? Interaction and framing of perception. So that they can then. Level up to some other wider scopes. Of. Of. OF UNDERSTANDING AND WIDER SCOPES Perception so that the way you see things is wider deeper. Mo revolved than that more limited way of saying you can look at evolution and these developments levels mean on a very basic way as maturity. I mean, these are ways of becoming more mature. On the path from knowledge to wisdom you know I that's kind of a way I would put it because I think it's really important for us to translate these terms. These models in a way that more people can really grasp because. So many people are not aware of them, but if we can bridge through certain. Terms and certain models insert metaphors ways for people to grasping I. think that's really crucial. Greg. I wanted to talk a little bit with you about more about identity. Because this is so much at the heart of of. What we're talking about, and we talked about first person and second person identity stuff like my niece of mice, objective experience, and then we. US. This seems to be at the heart of the paradox between the individual and group identity seems to be at the heart of so much as cultural I don't know war warfare right now. And Something that that hadn't really. Really occurred to me that that clearly, before release starting to kind of dive more into reading some of the some of the work around you know Racial Awareness Mindful of Race Ruth King's book spent some one that I found really interesting and helpful. And You know she points out something that that just hit me like a ton of bricks and it's like when? When you are identified with. A certain relative identity that is currently being marginalized in your culture. Pressed in in clear structural ways like when you grew up with that identity that identity becomes more central and you talked about the space soclean the beginning it's like you can't just avoid the shadow because it's right there. and. and. That's something that I think. Maybe is it's been interesting for me to to to learn more about the nature of identity because it's it's clear to me. Yes. All these relative identities are empty on some level. I have some sense of that. They're all contingent. They're all empty and this the the big the big and that keeps on kind of coming back in. It's like an some of these identities are up for us and in us. Because they need attention because. You know there's some sort of force pushing on us. That's actually trying to get us to wake up and saying, Hey, look here this thing that's so painful. This is important. You've got to look at this. Yeah Yeah and you know I think it's maybe that's the blinder that I've had on as a white person for so long is just seeing. Like, you said how I've had the luxury to not. Look at that identity to not actually sit with to. To kind of July it away to be like, Oh, well. Yeah. I know it's empty. Right. That sufficient. Yeah. A he but see. Alexis Linger here for a second. Okay. one things that May identity if you mentioned Ralph Ellison. His Classic Nineteen Fifty. Two novel invisible man. Is primarily about the theme of identity. and. So and. Identity is what's driving so much of culture wars in conflicts that we see out here. We have to deal with identity. With much wisdom as we can the, let's talk about white identity for second. One of the things that is. From my perspective in my studies that so tragic. About wide identity. Is Not just you know that. There certain privileges and benefits that come just by virtue of One's outer appearance Because that's true you. People talk about white superiority white supremacy. But. They rarely talk about the tragedy of Whiteness to me part of the tragedy white this. Is. What had to be given up? In order to claim that White Identity And what I mean by that is. So. Now let's talk about the the ethnic or the ethnocentric a lot of times. We who are. Modern postmodern and beyond. You. Look. Very. Look down upon the ethnocentric frankly right. You know what I mean yes but there are riches there. There are riches in the in in an ethnic identity. There's riches of ways of life in ways of seeing life that I mean look at ethnicity from a perspective of a garden. In that, you have these beautiful flowers that have different colors that populated the garden different ethnicities functionally way. Now, what I'm actually presenting you is my. Northern. Bias I was born in New York. In Brooklyn New York I grew up as a New Yorker. So to me when I engage with NC in marrone different ethnicities that's just the way of being. So I mean, I have no problem being around people. Of An Italian heritage a Jewish heritage. Polish. Eastern European. I grew up around that and I grew up eating different kinds of food and incorporating certain terms. As a New Yorker that comes from those different ethnic groups A. Beautiful Mix. To me, but but one of the trade offs tragic trade-offs was this idea that. Okay. We were white, and now let's get specific. We're talking about WASPS White Anglo Saxon. Protestants. We have to get very specific here. We will allow you into whiteness if you let go of your ethnic heritage. Race that. Become. A become white. And you will then achieved certain benefits in access social political economic access. was lost when it happens. What are the riches that lost when you have a piece that I wrote a series in Platform, called all about jazz online platform. And the series was. Dealing with race in. Jazz. And I had a piece. Might my very first piece was called Jazz? Versus Racism. And in this piece, I start with the phrase said. Jazz. Caused me to not become a racist. And that is referencing my own evolution. From the seventies being in junior high school in high school at around the time that routes came on everyone is watching Alex Haley's roots as depicted on television and dealing with many for the very first time the legacy of enslavement. Then, me going to college in me really getting into history learning details about the slave trade in Jim Crow in that type of thing. And developing real deep resentment. Towards Whiteness and white people. To the point where I was on the edge of hatred. But what saved me from going down that rabbit. Hole. Jess. In Highschool I fell in love with jazz music I would listen to it in the morning when I get up I would come home after school and listen to it as I did my homework I would go to sleep listening to Jazz And I fell in love with certain artists. and. Some of those artists were quote unquote white. So in this piece, I talk about my love of the playing of saxophonist names, zoot, Sims great tenor saxophonist in the Lester young style of a saxophone. Point. Talk About My, love of Paul Desmond Alto Saxophonist famous for playing in the Dave Brubeck. Quartet. So like take five and Blue Rondo Alla Turk in such. Love his plane and Phil Woods who is opposed Charlie Parker. Saxophone is one of the greatest. Alto Saxophone. So the twentieth century loved and love the work of Phil Woods. Those people including my teacher sees it tomorrow who is ethnically Italian? I, I learned from them I. I love the playing so much that when it came to me going over the jumping off the cliff. Of Hatred therefore racism hating other people because of their outer appearance. And they are in their history. Was My heartfelt love soulful appreciation for their music. I couldn't go there. So, you see a connection, a cultural connection for me. that. Might identity. As a Jez Guy as a jazz lover. Disallowed me I actually connected the aesthetic envy ethical. Now I didn't at the time I didn't call it that I didn't have that framing but now I can say that's what happened. It was the aesthetic and the ethical that were married that prevent me from. A racial identity that became racist. So we have in our identity, we have a whole kind of identities and that just based on our identity markers with his gender. so-called raise. Sexual Orientation. Or? Their other markers, it's not just those. Buddhism is a part of your identity religion. Religion is a part of your identity politics. Yeah. All of that's in there man. So so so one of the things is to look at those identities and. Embrace them but not be confined to any of them. That's the thing. Now what was the way of doing that there's a term that I get from the philosopher Anthony Happy In another foster Daniel Allen who at Harvard? Appier has been a Princeton now nyu in law school. He writes every week for the New York, Times, magazine his work in. As a public intellectual. Times Wall Street Journal Daniel. Allen is a political philosopher. Who wrote a bestselling book on the Declaration of Independence? She also uses his. Rooted cosmopolitanism. This term for me. Is a term ice. Oh, embrace because for me the rooted part allows us to accept the various identities we have in to be rooted in them, but not to be confined by them do the cosmopolitan. Cosmopolitanism says I can be a citizen of the world and of the Cosmos itself. Can Be routed nice cosmopolitan at the same time. So. To me, this isn't inherently. To to use a spiral dynamics, trump's second tier notion. That embraces the rooted end the cosmopolitan at the same time. It it transcends the rooted, but it includes it also without repressing it. So to me rooted cosmopolitanism is one way from a philosophical perspective to deal with identity in a way that doesn't limit us and doesn't. Get A. SO involved in some Sarah. Of the identities that you know we lose sight of the the cosmic oneness. The the the cosmic unity that's also there. That's beautiful. Thank you for introducing us to term. Rooted Cosmopolitanism And who did you say the author of the Theorists Any. APNEA. A. P. P.. H.. He is within the philosophical community. I mean, he's one of the top philosophers in the world and has been so for decades but he's also publicans rex intellectual, which is why I mean you can look them up. You'll see. his work that does not just in the philosophical discipline I mean he's he's writing about ideas To everyday people's when reasons I I. SO appreciate his work in Daniel L. and also does the same thing Danielle Allen these are also to folks that. I think in. Integral. Conversations, or related. These are people who need be brought in Charles Johnson these be brought in because these are. On such a level that. If they may not be engaging in the scaffolding of. Integral and say Meta modern thought. But integral listen Meta modernist. Need to deal with their thought because they are providing in riffing and swinging at that level in their work and I'm frankly my own work I look at my work as a as a bridge. Yeah. I was just thinking you you really bridging a lot here. Yeah. That's that's that's I I look at that as one of my roles I mean I have been writing for integral life of submitting in contributing content since twenty ten and that. Occurred because I looked at the content and I said, okay. Well, let me see how many I mean black folks in and dealing with say the black intellectual tradition back cultural and artistic tradition back American particularly. Let me just check it out and it was a handful I said well, wow, I've got all this. Great Knowledge of black American history culture, intellectual life, and jazz in particular blues and Jazz. Me Contribute content so that was to bridge and I see it. Is really interesting. How is really bearing fruit you know and and pop bang fruit to this very conversation after we met. You know for intricately based integral. Facilitation Event or or workshop that we worked on these ideas together so Grateful. Yeah likewise likewise. God you're so much in in what you just said. Two Directions Might WanNa go one is back maybe just back to something you're saying about the rooted cosmopolitanism and For me that that phrase it's so interesting that it's Ganic. Phrase you know that the rudeness elicits the imagery of plants and and you know I I I notice such a strong connection to that into what we were talking about earlier you're talking about the riches of ethnocentrism for me a lot of what's brought me back full circle to wanting to learn about my own ethnic, the good and the bad of my of my ethnic. Ancestry it's like. Actually just the wanting to be able to know how to grow food because. My grandparents are still alive. They've been gardening and farming for like their their lives and I really wanted to learn from them and feel like this is really useful skill and something. That's you know to put your hand in the dirt there something just a somatic healing and I don't know it's just such a no absolutely man we're talking about nature. Yes. You know getting going out and. Getting Sunshine Walking in the grass walking in the woods. Yes I mean these things that we you know we can avail ourselves of the we need to do it. You know folks who live in urban areas in in the concrete jungle and I know because I've lived there I'm fortunate now to live in a place where I do have a beautiful grass backyard with the little guard you know. we need to touch base and get back in touch with that aspect and what you talk about excuse me for interrupting you but. When you're talking about, you know your grandparents myth that's so key. Being in touch with our ancestors are elders and see. That's what I'm talking about. So as we deal in these high Falutin, you know a ideas and concepts. We gotta remember where we came from. You know and we need to touch base with where we came from I. Think this is something that's a journey. For humanity. Now, let's say if we talk about the cutting edge of thoughtless, just best to say that you know. Integral in a modern thought is aspects of the cutting edge. Let's just Say. That's true. One of the things that that level of thought is going to right now is, how do we deal with the indigenous? How do we deal with the early? Human origins, how do we deal with our? ancestoral underpinnings. In a way that we don't deny or repress it. Now the there's a concept within integral that is a very important concept to very briefly mention called the pre, trans, fallacy, which is you go through a unitive state experience, right? And that unitive state experience. Is interpreted in a similar way as the one nist, a unity that we actually experienced where we in our mothers will. So the idea of the Pre Trans Fallacy says that you know what we're doing is going back to the kind of one this with nature that early humans had. Okay. and. So they're people like ono the. Avoid the pre trans fallacy because we got remember. All the development of of humanity and all of the problems with looking at ideas in philosophy from that perspective, you know there's an incredible postmodern critique of modernity in a modern modern critique of the traditional and the ethnocentric each stage. Critiques the other that's the way it goes. But it's like when you want if you at the cutting edge, how the heck you're going to be talking about dealing with, you know going back to purple. What riches it they're also. What can we? If you a transcending and including? We know about the transcending? What are you including from that? Maybe we need to include. A unitive connection with nature while we maintain the separation, we are not we're part of nature, right? But the modern mentality and maternity. Dealt with the separation from nature. And look at the result of that. So how about we look at nature as? And the Cosmos as alive. It's alive and we're part of it and we were in communication with it. That's not pre trans fallacy that's incorporating an aspect of consciousness from that that period but doing it full well, aware. Of all development that has happened since then you see what I'm saying. So I'm saying when you talk about manual grandparents. And we talk about ancestors. This is something that I think you know not only as Americans I think humanities has to deal with it. You know we have to deal with what was lost as we developed a what can we re embrace while we stay modern postmodern and keep moving forward as we integrate with technology because that's a whole nother topic you know what? I mean as there's a cat name, a guy who had recently a touch base with in in connected with the name is Greg and Rica. And he has something called theory of knowledge where you have A. Matter on the bottom like in a in a cone. So if you talk about. These developments you start with, you know from the Big Bang have you have mattered that developed in then you have life that came out of matter and then you have mind that came out of life and then you head culture that came out of that right now I love that mall because I'm a culture guy. He says, we've got Meta culture next where we talk about how we go into it with all this technology. So as we as our technological capabilities has so far exceeded our moral growth and development and our spiritual growth and development for the most part when humanity. We have to see what are we going to Rian brace as we move forward because nice this values and cultures and traditions that is going to help make us oh, Ho make us whole that tragedy of whiteness that I talked about. Yes. Man if you go back in and tap into some of the pre white. Identity frames. Is GonNA help I think he'll. I mean that's just one of several things that that that quote Unquote White folks can do. That's not the only thing. That's just one aspect of dealing with You know go development beyond. That aspect of identity. That is so cool. I. I Greg I WANNA share a quote that I from great grandfather whose Palestinian This is a perfect example of what you're saying. You know for for me it really hit home. It's so simple this rooted wisdom. But but he said on planting olive trees, you know, which which take twenty, five, thirty years often to bear fruit. He said they they have planted and we ate. We plant and others will eat who that see. That's wisdom it yeah. Big Time this wisdom you know what I mean. It's like and the thing is about you know if you cannot make the complex. And relate to people. Desert. Problem is an issue. You got be able to bring stuff downers flame stuff in a way that it lands for people and it has profound implications and extensions. That is so beautiful what you share man. It is in I can see as you're talking about the spiral, there's this I can see it playing out at at another level. Now it's like, Hey, we've got to get this basic wisdom again at at at this level at this global level, we can't continue to to harvest all of the resources without replenishing them. That's. GonNa work. That's right. Exactly. Man Yeah.

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RTFF #337: Ian Hartitz

Fantasy Feast: 'Eatin

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RTFF #337: Ian Hartitz

"It's time to eat in my ballet, sit down and get ready to consume an abundance of fantasy football knowledge from Russ Tucker and Evan Silva me so hungry on the fantasy pieced evening podcast. Baby is the fantasy feast eaten podcast presented by bed. Online dot AG shoes that promo code podcast one fifty percent. Sign up bonus today, pretty darn cool. He is Evan civil from Roda world. You guys love them. That's why you listened to the podcast at Evan Silva on Twitter. I'm Ross Tucker. Former NFL offensive linemen got a bunch of podcast another busy Tuesday this week just because of some scheduling stuff, we've got the even money podcast, but we will dive into some lessons learned from the twenty eighteen NFL betting season as well. As some af stuff a lot of a f- stuff on today's show. Evan which I'm really looking forward to I have quite enjoyed watching that league so far. So we're going to dive into little af. And what we've gleaned so far what we can. 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Visit light stream dot com slash feast. For more information, very excited about today's guests for a couple of reasons. One is he's with the action network, which is awesome. The other thing is is that Evan has been hyping him up for like a week starting last week. Evan text me. We gotta get this guy. Ian, Harte it's on the show. Gotta get him on. He's at I heart. It's H A R T I t's E M I, by the way in my pronouncing your last name correctly. You have actually nailed it, man. I'm trust. It's like cheeses, but heart. It's always tell people. So it's a tricky one. Cheez its do cheese. It's by the way, you're so good. Other day. So good. It's unbelievable. No type of cracker comes close to cheese it and no type of chip comes close to torito's like ever since. I was five years old you'd think after thirty five years somebody would be able to create something that's close to either one of those. It's never happened. It's never happened. It's unbelievable. Anyway, you can check out Ian on Twitter at I heart. It's H A RT IT's e he's all over the action network. He's president of the Cordeiro Patterson fan club, which is interesting. I have to dive into that a little bit later, but you're all over action network in end, you're all over the af which is one of the reason why ever wanted to bring you on. I wanted to talk to you as well. So I guess I just kind of what you do for the action network. And then the foul of question will be about the af in particular. Yeah. Ma'am for sure, thanks. Both of you for having me on. Yeah. Action network airless, you know, all things they're specifically during the NFL season. I run the fancy labs NFL product. So and addition to running, you know, bunch of help with projections, making sure the back end to talk all that kind of stuff, but you know football season and Super Bowl Monday kind of looking at myself. What are we want to kind of work on for these next few months before the draft, and I don't know agencies. Always there. It'll be fun here. Come March guys or more. Coming in and out. But at this af league and said, hey, look, here's some football. And February that can keep keep my mind pretty involved for a couple of weeks and even being fun. So I'm I'm really happy without a first couple of weeks gone and a lot of people in the NBA and all that. But for me any chance to get to watch some eleven on eleven football. I'm going to take it. I love it. I love it. He, and I know you've really got a chance to watch decent amount this past weekend. I watched a lot of the Sunday night game. And I know you've been really into it. Also. Yeah. I really started a dive into it over the past. Like it's been really less than a week is by last Wednesday, and we're recording this on Tuesday morning. I would like to address the kind of the reports that came out this morning about the Carolina Hurricanes owner having to step up and save the league. After only its first week apparently had to inject two hundred fifty million dollars into the league the way that I kind of looked at it Ross, and I'd like to get your take. Maybe you don't have a strong take yet because the report just came out. But. The way that I'm looking at it is that. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of bad news that the league needed to be saved. Or in the words, but it's also good news that just got an injection of two hundred fifty million dollars a quarter of a billion dollars. And that's that seems like enough money to kind of fund it for at least a few more weeks. It's a ten game regular season. So we have eight left, but did you have any initial takeaways from that report? Yeah. I was very surprised based on everything. I had heard about how well funded. It was and all the money they had already gotten and some of the investors shack and just talk and they've got some believe private equity companies have invested. So I I was pretty surprised by that. But I guess the good news. Like, you said is and I would need a little more information. I'm surprised they haven't released a statement as of yet. My guess is you know, we're recording this nine twenty AM eastern time. If there's any truth to that. Or there's no truth to that. They'll probably be releasing a statement either way. Right. I mean, if there's no to it. They're going to say, we're fine. That's not true. If the guy really determined fifty million dollars, and he's going to be the chairman of the league now, then that probably have to release a statement saying we have a new chairman of the league Carolina Hurricanes owner, so I don't know one way or the other hopefully, we'll get some clarity. But if you really didn't check. The million dollars that is good for at least the rest of the year arrest season. And you know. Most of the time not always the most time really really rich guys. Just don't throw turf d- million dollars into something unless they think it might might lead to something. So hopefully, that's good news. We'll see we all know, how difficult it is for these leaks. No question. No question and. Also included in the report was. The kind of suggestion that the guy coming from running the Carolina Hurricanes of the NHL owns the majority owner. He's also interested in year. Two of the af expanding the league to include a franchise in Raleigh, North Carolina. So. I mean, you know, this guy who has an awful lot of money sees not just the rest of this season panning out for the af. But also the af continuing in him playing a major role in seeing to it that the league continues into twenty twenty. So I mean, although it sounds bad that the league needed to be rescued and who knows if that is entirely accurate there. Maybe it was just this guy buying into become the chairman and wanting to make sure that when the league expands in two thousand twenty Raleigh North Carolina is among the cities that is considered a an expansion team. But either way this guy who has a ton of money. Is investing in the league? And I think we could take that as a good side. But let's let's start talking about the league itself in. Let's just run through each team. Let's let's start at the top your Landau Apollo's coached by Steve Spurrier to you know, to me. They clearly look like the best team in the not only offensively. But also defensively where they are just loaded in the secondary. What do you think about this Orlando Apollo's team where do you have them in your power rankings? Just what's your overall impression of this team run by Steve Spurrier? Really impressive performance last week, man. Because after they blew out a week one. Everyone can kind of see that Atlanta. Memphis. We're going to be the two teams league pretty quickly. So I wasn't really sold on Spurrier after that. But man that Orlando Fantoni oh game. Not only sold me on both teams. I think was sold me on the viability of af potentially in the future. Because we did see what happens when you can have two competent quarterback in this league. And it was actually I thought the best sixty minutes football, we've seen so far. But I Landau number two behind Zona. I agree with you those secondary. Awesome. Keith resear- cornerback. Awesome. Pick six we'll hills and plant some good ball add safety as well. My thing right now. And it's you know, obviously early, but they're pass has been pretty brutal. We saw Antonio Woodside really had all day to throw right now pulled some of the pressure numbers, actually. But I will have in the worst defense in terms of pressure rate where whereas Amazon is number one. Getting pressure on fifty five percent of their quarterbacks opposing dropback. So to me, it's kind of chicken of the thing. Think it's been a long debate over if a pass defense is better off because of lockdown Saentis and quarterbacks or if it's more of a product of how good you pass rushes. I was a little bit more team pass rush. I think now that better tasha's than Zona. But man can't say enough good things about to Landau offense. At least I love Spurrier's funding gun, which I'm being told is now called the sun gun offense in Florida with the Apollo's averaging seven point six yards to play which is more than one point four yards over Arizona, number two, Mark. So absolutely no complaints on offense. I just worry about how they can slow down posing offenses for rest of the. Gary Gilbert, the Apollo's quarterback, I think is kind of kind of I think taking overtaking John Wolford of Arizona as the best quarterback in the league. As you mentioned, you know, Spurrier's offense has been a ton of fun to watch this past week. They had four completions of forty five yards or more a lot of people. Remember, Charles Johnson from the Minnesota. Vikings had had a really nice run in two thousand fourteen after the Browns signed or the Viking signed him. The Browns practice squad in season didn't even play with the Vikings during the preseason or training camp or anything he jumps in. He has a bunch of big games. He he comes back. He's expected to be a starter. He was like a seventh round pick and season-long leagues. The next year. Just hurt hurt. You know, dealing with fractured ribs. And he was a bust in two thousand fifteen and then in two thousand sixteen they draft Liqun Treadwell and Stefan digs emerges and Adam Phelan, emerges and Charles Johnson. Kinda just just went by the wayside after that played for. But then the next offseason you went to Carolina. The Panthers signed him took a shot on him. And they also had Gary Gilbert. On the roster during that all season during OTA's during mini camp. During part of the preseason and Gary Gilbert talked about this after their last game. How they they kind formed a connection that offseason with the Panthers, and it has really shown up in two games. Charles Johnson leads the af in receiving yards with two hundred and fifty two. And I thought he looked like the version of Julio Jones this past game. We've also going to jail Marshall out of state. He's been a big time playmaker for them. Chris Thompson who kind of like a deep threat ran four four eight played at Florida. This offense is kind of loaded. They'll be fun to watch the rest of the way, I think this is clearly to me the best team. But. The number two team is pretty interesting as well. Aaron Jona hotshots. I thought that they were the best team after week one. But as the sample size grew I think, I'm leaning toward Orlando. But what are your impression? So far of errors. Not not not like constructed the same way. Like Orlando is a big time vertical passing attack. But has been very productive on offense as well. What are your impressions of them under Rick new Heisel? Right now, we're Landau in San Diego have been nine percent of past which easily been the most in the league. And we haven't seen that they've been actually a top three running team. But ultimately comes on their quarterback this. I think almost all teams would some point John wall. I mean like you said we can say on was the best team after we offer was the best quarterback after we won as well. And now both those kind of honor's have shifted to Orlando and Gilbert after this last week of action. But man, I thought Trevor Knight was going to be wanted. We thought it was gonna be Zona the quarterback up until Wednesday or Thursday of game week number walford comes in and pretty much tears up the league from the Geico never ideal when you have that much uncertainty under center for your kind of defacto number one team in the league. But in this case, I think it's more an investment in the scheme and just this team overall than any one particular player one big thing with Arizona. That gets swept under the rug a little bit Hugh freeze their offense coordinator until about December. I mean, I I won't pretend to know how many practices they had together. Just how involved was or anything like that. But just watching this offense, and they're running much more uptempo than anyone else. No huddle RPO's get into line. And it just reminds me a lot of what we saw freeze kind of old miss with swag Kelly back in the day. So it's one of those things where you can watch all offenses, Arizona Orlando San Antonio some of these teams absolutely have to run and concepts last five years, then you got teams like San Diego seeing the still kind of be stuck in the nineties. So the success has been overwhelming Zona, particularly to shod Ross number one receiver respected, Charles jobs and agree with everything you said there, but I saw has really emerged as the true number one guy in this league. I mean eleven targets nine catches one hundred seventy three touchdowns. He's doing down to feel in the. Down really think he's emerging kind of top weapon league wide. And like I mentioned before that defense of kind of difference maker. We've seen a ovum watching them in particular. He's only one of four players in double digit pressures so far really being that kind of keyed defensive end that every team kind needs to make a far. So another thing in the Zona team overall has been their backfield's fancy purposes because looks like pretty much every team outside of Birmingham, and Trent Richardson, how the days but other than that, man. Yes. John wall company. Yeah zone. Rick new highs. He was out coaching since two thousand eleven and you know, he was an analyst. And he seems like he might have sat back and kind of like digested in kind of pick did pick all the concepts that he he really liked just sitting back and watching college football and pro football over the past five six seven years and just kind of incorporate all them they play really fast uptempo team. Like you mentioned they're kind of a run heavy team. But they've been dominant on the ground this past week, Tim cook who played fullback actually for the Jags for a little bit. And he kind of overtook Giral Presley as their number one back to row Presley is played for a number of NFL teams. And Tim cook was an absolute monster this past week, John Wolford, although he's been. Very efficient as an even gotten to thirty temps in either of Arizona's first two games, but the speed at which they play I think it starts. It's been wearing down their opponents wait in games. Mike single Terry of the Memphis express had go to the Memphis express talked about. Their team just kinda ran out of gas late late in the game. The Memphis express was actually eating Zona this past week at halftime. By twelve twelve to zero margin and errors just kind of caught fire late in the game. John Wolford through one hundred seventeen yards in the fourth quarter alone. They came back in one they've got some some former NFL players like you mentioned Rashad Ross Charles Johnson is kind of like the AFC Julio Jones shot. Ross kind of like the af tyreek hill. Like it off former eagles third round draft pick Connor hab hamlet at a Cup of coffee with the the Browns. I mean, they they've got some dudes on their on their team that people have heard of let's move to the Birmingham iron who they were great in their first game much less impressive in their second game should lost. I mean their opponent missed three field goals. Matt. Fumbles inside the ten yard line Birmingham. Shoot have lost last week. They were really good. And this is this is Trent Richardson's team. They were really good in the first game. And in the second game. I thought they were very disappointing. Where do you stand on them a heading into their third game against Atlanta who which has been the the worst team in the league? So far to think they're going to bounce back in Atlanta, or do you think that they were fraudulent or where do you stand on them? Bouncing back against Lanta. But you said they should've lost last week. I think Salt Lake. The three field goals. I'm pretty sure there's a fourth one where the holder had the bail and throw an incomplete pass. So it was pretty much missed four field goals in that game. Which is just unbelievable at really any level football. But birmingham. I'm not ready to give up on them. Just yet mostly just because of Louis resin just by give up like, I do think they still have a chance to kind of be a top three team and this league, and that is just because Luis Perez. I mean Steve offered I'm sorry. John walford, and Gary Gilbert, I anchor anyone's one to at this point. I is that third guy. He's really been. I think among all these quarterbacks playing at the highest level consistently over the last few years. Thanks to kind of his performance in at division. Two one their Heisman twenty seventeen with the Rams up until the end of really week four the twenty thousand nine preseason. And then you know, signed up for this league and ball now. So pres- really as opposed some of these quarterbacks Ben playing active Paul for pretty much the last. The ten year. So I mean, he's still young guy. So I like to see that. And then I mean trying to the team, you know, obviously, we're seeing Trent sub three point zero again kind of same NFL guy that's getting done based on game. But that's pretty much it. The next guy really liked the most and his team Quinton Patton. I think emerging number one pass game auction and even Charles Johnson Rashad Ross or better than Pat. And I think Pat and could be the more consistent wide receiver one just because there aren't a ton of other options on his team. They're actually pretty banged up wide receiver. So if that's the case moving forward, I think a patent could just get overloaded at targets parades arty kind of proven to be more than happy to kind of give him chances downfield and the one on one coverage. But the I love the most Birmingham in my early pick for defensive player of the year. Jomar summers. This quarterback Punto watchman. He's had eight cards season going to catches negative one yards allowed avenue of both. Allow more receiving tomorrow summers. I mean, it's incredible. And the guy's got three or four already one interception. He was the guy that ripped out that a ball on the punt return the Birmingham touchdown last game, you know, questionable. If the guy's knee was down. I get that. But really enjoying what I'm seeing from this Birmingham secondary in general. You know, the big question is if it's real or not because we seen them play Memphis, and is Salt Lake team that was down there. Number two, number three quarterback, depending on how you want to call them and next week against Atlanta. We're not really going to find out if the secondaries for real either. So I'm on Birmingham for another week. But I think we still haven't quite seen them fully tested. Yeah. Jomar summers and Keith or demar summers of the Birmingham iron Keith Reeser of the Orlando Apollo's. I think might be the top two Cornerbacks in this league. And as you mentioned, you're mar he's kind of got an interesting story, you know, as a sophomore at uconn. He led there. He was second in the nation interceptions at eight interceptions as a sophomore at uconn. And then. They moved him to safety and kind of like had a falling out with the coaching staff and. He wound up go, and he wound up going undrafted out of Yukon. And now he's getting this. He played a little bit in the preseason last year for the Steelers. But now he's getting a shot to be like get actual a ton of actual exposure. And he's really making the most of it. He's going to be a guy who's going to get signed by NFL team. I mean, a lot of these guys are going to get signed by NFL teams. They can't do it. Until after the season is over. I think that that's part of their contract, which by the way, their contracts. Interesting they all they all have three year deals. That are worth two hundred fifty grand, but they're highly incentive Laden connected to wins and production. So they're very much incentivized to be playing at the highest level possible. Because not only is that the way that they can make more money. But that's the way that they can get looked at by the by the NFL and Jomar summer is going to be really high on that list for for all NFL teams. Let's move to the San Antonio commanders who I think have very good. Pretty good case to be considered for the number three team in the league there with with Burma with Birmingham. What are your impressions of the commander so far quarterback by Logan? Woodside. Pantley their quarterback by lower Woodside. And then I'm really watching the broadcast of their game couple of days ago. We find out that Mike Riley's all of a sudden trying to get Marcus Williams or back more back involved as well. I mean, this is one of the prime situation where we got to remember that this is a developmental league and coaches are going to have different opinions on that they were interviewing Mike Riley. No word of this got out during the week, you know for many reporters or anything, but the plan going to the game was to give Woodside to two series. Then after that you give Mark Williams one series two who plays the best in the first half. And then kind of live with someone for the second half agree with all that is to quarterbacks. You don't you don't even have one and all that. But I understand coming from. I mean, he said look marquees Williams playing great and practice. We want to get all these guys snaps understand their quarterbacks. But you know, if you're playing great you're going to go out there and get them snapped. I mean, it's not ideal. We're. Trying to target these offenses and fantasy and one of the quarterbacks Woodside in this case much better passer, the other guy Williams, but I see rally is doing it. And I mean, I can't really discount them for it. And you know, I I do wonder I I do think that if you have the ad to as a coach where you know, best players are going to play regardless of the position. I do think that goes a long way with the entire roster. But the thing for them is that Woodside proven to be one of these leagues top four or five quarterbacks and he's willing only he only ended up playing for series. That's the other weird thing rally had this quarterback patient planned out. He didn't even stick to. But the one we did see Williams he managed to run for thirty two yards and really has on the open field. So he'll be a real interesting fancy piece if he ends up kind of supplanting Woodside some point. But I I think Santona might have the single best crop skill position players, you know, running back and receiver combined. Didn't see a big game. From the kale McKay or Greg ward last week, but both those guys get enough targets shown enough of the best is still to come. I was really high a more after week one kind of field stretcher. He had an okay game last week one bad drop the markets air suddenly popped out of nowhere. Pretty much has early. Catch of the year sick one handed snag had eight targets for free legit receivers on this team. And then in the backfield kind of fail. Awesome. Last week. I love Aaron green. I mean, I'm team free. Erin, green, just like we had a team free enter Jones out the NFL, and and then David exe. Minnesota big ten guy has got some power. So whole lot to like on this offense. I think in general now defense I'm in. Yeah. They just gave up plenty of points Orlando, but we have seen a pretty consistently good Pash rose. You know, we saw them get a four Kilgore Gilbert in scored touchdown a sham. Washington's guy that pretty much beheaded mica bits on that. Huge. To start the season. So lot to like in Fantoni. And I think they probably have the best home field advantage of this point as well. My concern is under center. Yeah. You mentioned the the home field advantage. They had the highest attendance in the af in week one. And then a week two. They had even more people show up. And you know, this San Antonio is the big the seventh biggest suit city in America in. They only have one pro sports franchise, right? The the Spurs. So I mean, there's just your they can they can put people in the seats there. And I'll be interested to see because they they opened the season with back to back home games. And now they're going on the road and they're going to face the San Diego fleet team, which we're going to talk about next coach, Mike Martz. Man. You know, there is such a separation between the haves and have nots in this league quarterback and the San Diego fleet. Do not have a quarterback. A lot of people will see the highlight of Philip Nelson. Who was there week to quarterback subbed in for Mike Burke of Ichi was just a disaster in week one? But Philip Nelson wasn't a whole lot better. People saw the highlight of kind of like scrambling trying to get out of trouble running to the left sideline throws a pass like literally over. I don't even know how to describe it like backwards over his head. And it was just like what are you doing man? You know, you're you're literally running for your life. Got mahomes. Attention. Evan to step up. Right. So, but that's you know, this problem that that's what senior goes dealing with a quarterback right now. Mike stick about how frustrated he is always had great quarterbacks, you know, in the NFL, but they figured it out on the ground last week. And now, they're they are hosting this same San Antonio team that we just covered. What do you think about the fleet? So far, do you think that might March who was such a pass coach in the NFL and was in week one two of the af do you think you'll stick to the run because I really like I think that this running back at the fleet has might be the best running back in the league. Yeah. I mean. I don't know if I'm giving Gardner that much profit. But he did look good last week. And yeah, I think it does make sense with this run moving forward because I I don't know choice. They have at this point. I mean, I think marches game said Philip Nelson did some good things. I'm not really sure what game he was watching guy complete student fifty percent. It's passes four point seven euros for tempt. I mean, you know, the kind of got a twenty four twelve win over land. I wouldn't call that an oppressive offense before especially in the passing game really by any stretch of the imagination. And this was also Atlanta defense. Let's not forget that was really run all over by Orlando week one too. So I'm still a little bit. I'm not sure, you know, India Yego really has to league's best run game. Or is -lanta the league's easily worst defense and San Diego's it will take advantage of that for a week. So I'm going to kind of how they do in this next match-up, and guess we have to match next week that are already repeats of week one action. Which I'm pretty intrigued by San Diego Verstand Tonio, and excuse me and Orlando Fantoni where I think we've seen the NFL my boss Jonathan Bailes done some research in the past where quarterback do play worse than their second divisional game of the year. And I'm inclined to think that's kind of what we're going to see in the af in these second matchups as well. Just having to kind of full game foam as a little more is going to be better for the defense in the quarterback when we only have two weeks to really get better. So we'll see I'm not too high senio moving forward, obviously. But. Hey, man, maybe more keep figuring it out. But I would I would just caution against the people in fancy that are kind of ready to annoy to Kwame Gardner next belco. He did get out snapped by Terrell Watson forty five to thirty five. So it does look like a situation where I think Cindy, it goes only to be using to market running backs versus three like a lot of teams. But it is going to be a situation, Gordon, m Watson are both getting plenty to run. Jake Gardner hater. I mean. Do out here averaging six point nine yards per carry very nice six point nine hundred carry scoring touchdowns at will you know scoring game winning touchdowns. I mean, why do you why do you hate game winning touchdowns? We really want to give much credit for that one of her. I mean. But I tell you what the best player on this team is on offense defensive end Demonte war. I'll know how much you got over the year. But over the years at five NFL teams from twenty thirteen and twenty eighteen I mean, I remember he was on the Cowboys. I think in twenty seventeen in here in Bryan broadest awesome Cowboys Dallas comrades mentioning how damange and more was to kind of keep taco troll. And on the sideline. We've talked about this last season the penalties not super hard to keep talking on the sideline. But Demonte does have a burst. I think is lacking by the end of this league. And sure enough he's already got league-high Markson with fifteen pressures and he's tied for first with three sacks. So I'm loving defenders seeing throughout this league too. Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely. A lot. Lot of lot of good pass rushers. I think in you know, they don't have the benefit of being able to blitz because the the af prevents any more than five pass rushers at a time. So individual Pash rushers like like Demonte more like open washroom like, Sean Washington. These guys have really stood out for their past rush ability. These guys are gonna get signed by the NFL. It's going to happen Salt Lake stallions coached by Dennis Erickson, really liked their backfield. Brandon Oliver lot of people will remember him from the chargers tore his achilles fell out of the league. Are we going to get anything out of their passing game? You know, they they're starter got hurt in week one in week two. They turn to Austin Allen. He didn't do anything Zeke this Salt Lake stallions team can can turn it up. I you know, they just they they have. Endured losing their starting quarterback in week. One was a problem. Yeah. Man because look one game. They're only down three points to Arizona at halftime when they did have Josh Woodrum. And you know, he suffered a hamstring injury. Kind of kept him out sense. I mean, Salt Lake in my admitting Lee, you know, pretty lame preseason power rankings because we didn't have really idea what was going on. So with my number one team mostly because of Josh Woodrum, and what he kind of they will do with the raven some NFO preseason action. You know seem like maybe the best dual threat quarterback in this league. And you know, he was able to lead two touchdown drives and thirty minutes of action, which is a lot more than some of his quarterback and say for two games. But yeah, I mean last week it's hard to get behind his team. It's going to be Matt Lenihan and or Austin Allen under center last week. They literally average more yards per rush than pass which is pretty insane. And they still should've won. I mean again that was four field goals that they managed the the big thing. I could see them kind of riding with if they. Can get some consistent or centers. This could be I think the league's best offense of line. I mean, they are truly massive, and they kind of still Wollo bit on the ground last game against Birmingham with brand Oliver with Joel Blagden and a little bit of that ask you how to here and there, but each of their starting tackles and guards are at least six four at least three hundred fifteen pounds. I mean, no offense live in these days law number monsters like that. But I don't think it's as much of a given as you know, city NFL that you are getting that type of size in the middle. And we did see them to advantage of that for a bit. So unfortunately, backfield seems to be enough of a committee between Oliver and Blythe on that might be featured back out of that business, but I do like the running game right here. And I think if Woodrum can give back they have some pieces, you know, Anthony denim and tighten the Mornay Pearson wide receiver some pieces of competent passing offense. 'cause defense looks solve enough already burnt burnt. Was even able to score offense touchdown on them for sixty minutes. So I like what I'm seeing over there. Just getting getting that consistently under center like you said. Yes. Salt Lake huge game for them this week. They're undefeated or they are winless the opposite of undefeated were. Were were beating Arizona the number two or number one team, depending on your point of view in week one. In arizona. They were being at halftime. And then last week they lost because of you know of a fumble by Matt Osceola scoring position because of missed field goals. And now they're at home playing Irizawa again, hopefully, they can get back. Josh woodrum. I think that they're clearly a better team than their record shows so far Memphis express quarterbacked by Christian hackenberg. But they do have a pretty good running game. What are your feelings on Mike single Terry's team through two weeks, man, I guess on game Sheild his act Stacey probably want some people fantasies back in two thousand thirteen or so and same af this year was the first back to break a hundred yards last week had a really nice broken really tackled offer forty that little burst. But. It just seems to me like a one week situation. So many good things happen for this. Memphis offense in the first half. I mean, just with turnovers and Arizona had become back by twelve points to get back in that game. And not really just allow them to do. I think more on offense defense has kind of Wilton both these last two weeks after playing really well for the first three quarters because the offense by and large can't really keep anything going. I mean, how had this first half where he gets them to twelve point lead. And then was still playing so bad that I mean brand Sobers was warming up on the sideline during the third quarter. So anything stable situation under center wouldn't be shocked Benton burger even out there, some point and really this. I mean, there's no cohesiveness between hackenberg in the past protection. It seems it look like in the second half that hackenberg new is pretty much the first reads air go ahead and throw it if not let's take off. Scramble and not flied on man. Protect yourself out there. Not never call myself Christian hackenberg. But I don't wanna see the guy hitting like this the poor, dude. You know, even goes off scores. Touchdown run. He gets laid out in the end zone afterwards. So wish can stay a little more upright. But man, I think Memphis is better than Atlanta. And that's pretty much the only positive thing. I can say about his team is whole. Yeah. How how bad must bet and burger be like looking in practice that he can't field over hackenberg. Brandon silvers. Quotation marks around. What's that? I'll say same thing with air Murray behind Matt like how bad are these guys playing practice and not able to jump these stores? Yeah. All right. So last team Atlanta coast by Kevin Coyle. I mean, this team has been just every circumstance that could go wrong has gone wrong. They their head coach was supposed to be Brad Childress. He decided to go spend more time with his family. There was supposed to be Michael Vick. He was like removed from the league because he wasn't maybe wasn't taking it seriously. And so so they're down to Kevin Coyle as their head coach they opened with back-to-back road games. Of course, they get stomped in the first one in the second one they were winning for for a while. But then they just collapsed late in the game against the San Diego fleet. Mike marx's? San Diego fleet. Do you see any hope for this Atlanta team this this'll wrap this the team in the league? I think you know with a minus forty six point differential through two weeks. Pretty clearly the team at the bottom so far. Bad. There's really not much to love here for fancy purposes either. I mean, the Memphis Zac, Stacy kind of appears to be the guy that backfield we had a full blown committee Atlanta between -tarian Folson has like the worst speed score. You will ever see also Lawrence Pittman and Chroma wildly getting involved at wildly actually had eight receptions last week worth noting some of those screens some of those were also just ended the game kind of check down check down shutdown type situation. So I don't know if he's actually going to be kind of a distinct receiver and that offense moving forward, but I don't really it's so hard for this land team return around after having to deal with those coaching changes season. Like, you said, I think we are seeing Atlanta's Salt Lake and Memphis kind of separate themselves as three worst teams in this league. Those are the only three offenses averaging under four yards per play. Everyone else that we over that Mark off your product kind of flex. It as well. I mean, the best thing I could say about there's Lanta team was that they've had good safety place so far because I was trying to name the biggest strength each team because even their defense they've been run over both these weeks as well. I think it's a situation where we're gonna attack running backs going against his team. So I guess this week of registered in can average over three hours per per carry. We're really going to know a team that can be continuously run over or not. Yeah. Trent Richardson, by the way, leading the A F in touches with forty nine through two games. No one's even close. The next one is might be Jake one. I don't know. It's someone's got thirty two. I think. Hugh, j Zac Stacy so, but I wanted to hit you with one more question because I know you're playing a FDA f s I am to fan. Ball is running contest fan ball dot com. Weak one. They didn't really have any big contests where you could win a lot of money. But you know, a lot of head to head to head stuff. Some smaller tournaments. I looked today. They're running a contest with ten dollar entry where top prize gets thousand. And it's nice because you know, there's not any they they're not prevent anybody from like just dominating. In terms of like entries like just dominating entries. The most entries. You can run ten so everybody is so yeah. So it makes it kind of it makes it a little bit more winnable for everyone. You don't have to max out the turnament to win it. But I wanted to talk to you about some guys that maybe were standing out to you as potential week three. Af DFS plays. Is there anybody that comes to mind for week three? Looking through some of the prices right now, the one thing last week, you know, kind of cheap free square receiver was a Brian Brown at three K. I think that guy this week just quickly looking at it could be Ishmael Hyman for Orlando. Now, we have seen Charles Johnson. Jalen Marshall, merges those top two. But I think you hiring them. It's kind of in the air. You know, we saw Ronel hall get a little bit involved. Chris Thompson like you said, I mean, those guys are forty three hundred forty seven hundred respectively, then Ishmail hyme all the way down at three K. You know, I need to do a little work on his Pacific now counts. Make sure he just didn't see his a few targets maybe only during snaps, but pretty sure he's a kind of in that rotation in the backup perceiving tech motor. And you know, I just want to be as locked on Orlando offense, especially in the passing game as possible with how much better they look the rest of the league at this point. So I mean, I'm way more willing to take a chance on a lesser player. If they're at least getting these type of fancy friendly opportunities that we're seeing in Orlando. I mean thirty percent of Gary jobs past gone over twenty plus yards. This season already that I mean, it would shout her pretty much any NFL Mark over the last five years, and it's off on the wants. So I think you know, these guys that are only getting three targets and certain offenses could more or less equal to five targets. Elsewhere. So I continue to take chances on these receivers. Check him out on Twitter. He is excellent at Ian Harte. He does a terrific job at I heart. It's HR. Like, she's it's Ian, really pre. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. All the great Evan. I really enjoyed that. I hope everybody else did as well. That was an F primer. If I've ever seen one very very cool. And now we're already for week three of the should be. Absolutely awesome end. Now that you've got that knowledge dropped by Evan. We are able to go ahead, and we're able to place wagers on the which I love and you do it at bed online dot AG using the glorious promo code podcast one. 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S8: Treasure Hunt: Blackbeards Treasure

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S8: Treasure Hunt: Blackbeards Treasure

"His name was Edward Teach. But you probably know him better as the famed pirate. Blackbeard perhaps just as memorable as blackbeard's numerous exploits and death in Seventeen. Eighteen is the mystery surrounding his treasure. Did it sink? Was it buried? Did it ever even exist? If you enjoy this episode head on over to the gone feed and subscribe today in addition to new episodes of gone every other Monday. You'll get a special mini episode on off Monday's but only on spotify until then enjoy this episode on August. Twenty third seventeen eighteen to French. Merchants ships sailed through the warm Atlantic waters towards Bermuda. The French sailors had been at sea for over five months and they hadn't suffered a single pirate attack now. They just needed their luck to hold a few days longer until they left. The Caribbean Bermuda was almost within sight. Wants the French sailors. Pass the tiny Caribbean island. They could cross the Open Ocean for Europe and leaves a pirate infested American waters behind the sunlight faded and the temperature cool. It was a peaceful evening but then French captain John Goo Peel spotted a ship slicing through the water. It was headed right for them. Captain Goo Peel strain designs for a better look at the ship. Then he relaxed. It was just a tiny Spanish sloop. There was nothing to be worried about. But then the Spanish sloop pulled up alongside the large French merchant ship commanding. The sloop was fearsome bearded man whose name struck terror into the heart of every merchant on America's eastern seaboard blackbeard. Hi I'm molly and I'm Richard. Welcome to the show where we search for everything missing every other Monday we examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to trust can language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. If you want to listen to previous episodes you can find them on your favorite podcast directory or on our website. Podcast DOT COM. While you're there don't forget to subscribe and leave a five star review. It seems simple but it really helps the podcast. Today we will be focusing on the lost treasure of Edward. Teach better known by his nickname. Blackbeard treasure hunters and adventurers have been searching for BLACKBEARD's fabled treasure ever since the pirates violent demise on November. Twenty second seventeen eighteen. Now when we think of a pirate treasure we tend to imagine chests brimming with gold and jewels. We don't know of BLACKBEARD. Had such a chest. He primarily robbed merchant ships of their wine sugar cocoa and slaves but as the pirates mythology grew in the three hundred years after his death so too did the rumors that he had hidden away chest filled with gold. Whether the treasure was a chest of gold or ship full of valuables our first theory revolves around the possibility that blackbeard's treasure sank to the bottom of the ocean. Along with this infamous flagship. The Queen Ann's revenge. Our second theory is that blackbeard's treasure is somewhere in bath. The oldest European town in North Carolina. Blackbeard took up residence in bath in the summer of seventeen eighteen just a few months before his death. There was plenty of time for him to find a secret place to hide his treasure. The third theory is that the treasure is somewhere on ocracoke island. The site of BLACKBEARD's climactic. Last stand against British Lieutenant Robert Maynard. Our forth theory delves into the myths surrounding the terrifying pirate. According to Legend. Blackbeard hid his stolen loot under a walnut tree in. Burlington NEW JERSEY. Our final theory is that there is no treasure. Blackbeard simply spent all of his money before he died but before we begin our hunt for buried treasure. We need to take a deep dive into blackbeard's impact life and his dramatic death. There's a lot of mystery surrounding BLACKBEARD's early life. We don't even know his real name. It may have been Edward. Teach Edward Thatch or even Edward Drummond but none of these names have ever been verified. Since we don't know the pirates true name were going to refer to him by his infamous moniker. Blackbeard BLACKBEARD was born. Sometime around sixteen eighty. According to Captain Charles Johnson who published a general history of the robberies and murders of the most notorious pirates in seventeen twenty four blackbeard's spent his childhood in Bristol. An ancient seaport located in the south of England. It's important to keep in mind. The Captain Johnson is not the most reliable source of information. His true identity was never confirmed after his books. Seventeen twenty four publication and Charles. Johnson was a pen name. Some historians believe that Charles Johnson was really the famous novelist. Daniel Defoe however others believe that Captain Johnson was likely a retired pirate. His information on pirates was so accurate that there was a good chance that much of it came from firsthand experience. Several going to accept captain. Johnson's claim that. Blackbeard grew up in Bristol. It would certainly be a fitting childhood home for a future. Pirate Bristol was infamous for harboring pirates since the Middle Ages. Blackbeard may have grown up in redcliffe Bristol suburb by the river. Even by the late Sixteen Eighties Bristol had several schools in operation throughout the city. Blackbeard likely learned to read and write at one of these schools. According to Bristolian legend tragedy struck in sixteen ninety. Three when blackbeard was just thirteen his father died and his mother. Soon remarried but BLACKBEARD's new stepfather was cruel man. Who made his life a living. Hell he spent the next three years physically abusing and whipping. The boy in sixteen ninety six. When blackbeard was sixteen. He was finally old enough and strong enough to stand up to his stepfather one evening. Blackbeard defended himself and gave his stepfather a savage beating. Sixteen year old. Blackbeard new his stepfather would be out for his blood. If blackbeard wanted to live he needed to get out of Bristol. Blackbeard race down to the docks and found a merchant ship willing to sign him on as a cabin boy ships boys or cabin. Boys were generally teenagers who did chores and errands for the captain another sailors. They often carried messages around the ship or help out in the kitchens. In Sixteen Ninety six merchant ships set sail with young black beard aboard. He was finally free of Bristol and his terrifying stepfather a year later in sixteen ninety seven. Blackbeard arrived in the Caribbean. The place he would soon call home. It's likely that. Blackbeard spent the next several years honing his skills as a sailor but his first taste of battle came in the early seventeen hundreds when he took part in. Queen. Anne's war or the war for Spanish Succession. After King Charles. The second of Spain died on November. First Seventeen hundred. Several European countries began jockeying for control of the Spanish throne. King Charles had made Philip. The grandson of the French King Louis. The fourteenth his air and Philip took control of the Spanish throne and its armies in seventeen hundred a year later in seventeen o one. Philip's grandfather Louis announced his plan to allow Philip to inherit the French throne as well. This would have led to a combined. French Spanish Kingdom. The potential merger of France and Spain posed a major threat to England and Holland and were quickly broke out between the four countries in seventeen o one by seventeen o to the fighting had spread to the American colonies during Queen. Anne's war black beard and many other. British sailors became privateers. These privateers weren't officially soldiers but they carried letters of Marque from the British government authorizing them to attack and raid. The ships of enemy countries in other words privateers were essentially legalised pirates over the next decade. Blackbeard was able to make a good living off of the gold and valuables. He sees from foreign ships in the Caribbean. By the time queen ants war ended in seventeen thirteen. Blackbeard had grown accustomed to his privateer lifestyle. He didn't want to go back to being an ordinary. Low paid sailor so like many other former privateers. Blackbeard decided to turn pirate by seventeen sixteen. So many former privateers. It switched over to piracy that it constituted a final golden age of piracy a period of rampant pirate attacks that stretched from sixteen fifty to seventeen twenty-six within two years. Blackbeard would become one of the most infamous pirates of the entire era in seventeen sixteen. Blackbeard met Benjamin Horne a gold in the Bahamas and joined forces with him like Blackbeard Horn. A gold was a British privateer who embraced a life of piracy after Queen. Anne's war while serving under hornig old. Blackbeard cultivated a terrifying appearance. He was an imposing man and he enhanced his frightening appearance by wearing dark clothes his long matted black hair and beard made him look ferocious animalistic over his mass of black hair. Blackbeard wore a wide brimmed hat. Before raiding a merchant ship he stuck fuses under the hats brim and lit them so it appeared as though his hair was wreathed in flame. It was a terrifying side. Pat Croce owner of a Florida Pirate Museum explained to CNN quote. He would be encircled by smoke. And the sailors or prey on the merchant ships would see Satan coming towards them and quote after joining up with hornig old in seventeen sixteen. It didn't take long for blackbeard to earn a reputation as a skilled pirate in his own. Right Horn a gold was impressed by BLACKBEARD's ferocity in battle and in the winter of seventeen. Sixteen hornig old gave blackbeard his own slough worship equipped with six guns. The sloop was small but deadly by the spring of seventeen seventeen. Blackbeard was a bona fide. Pirate captain with seventy men under his command black beard and horn gold worked in tandem to rob merchant ships and they weren't just looking for gold and riches as a pirate captain. It was BLACKBEARD's responsibility to make sure his crew always had a good time. This mandated a ready supply of tasty food and strong drink in the spring of seventeen seventeen horn golden. Blackbeard hijacked a Portuguese merchant ship the pirate captains in their crew. Soon set to work drinking every last bottle of Madeira. Wine on the ship. A good time was clearly had by all but horn goals and BLACKBEARD's partnership didn't last by the fall seventeen seventeen black beard and the other pirates were growing frustrated with horn gold. Even though Hornig old was no longer a legal privateer acting under her majesty's orders. He liked to behave as though he was. He refused to attack British ships and only rated French and Spanish ships blackbeard. And the rest of the pirates were under no such patriotic delusions. They knew there were criminals and they were tired of ignoring every British merchant ship that pass them by Horn. Gold was overthrown by his crew is captain and in September of seventeen seventeen. Blackbeard's set off on his own with around one hundred and fifty men. Blackbeard spent the fall of seventeen seventeen rating ships. Up and down the eastern seaboard. He spent some time in October off the coast of New Jersey targeting ships passing through Delaware Bay and perhaps while he was in New Jersey. Blackbeard hid some of his lute. There we'll return to our story in just a moment from the podcast network and now let's continue our story as the weather grew colder. Blackbeard then sailed south toward the Bahamas by November. Seventeen he controlled two sloops one with eight guns and one with twelve. He also had an impressive two hundred and fifty pirates under his command. All blackbeard needed now was a flagship. And it didn't take him long to find one a November twenty eight th seventeen. Seventeen the French slave ship. La Concorde was sailing to Martinique with four hundred fifty. Five Africans trapped on board the French flavor. Captain soon spotted blackbeard's two ships streaking toward him. There was little he could do to fight back against the pirates there were only forty crew members aboard the French slave ship and about half of them were recovering from dysentery. The captain surrendered as soon as blackbeard. Boarded La Concorde was quite a prize. It was over one hundred feet long and weighed in at two hundred tonnes in comparison to his smaller sloops. This was an enormous ship but before blackbeard could set to work transforming the slave ship into a pirate wars. All he needed to decide what to do with the hundreds of Africans imprisoned in the ship's hall. Blackbeard recruited a few of the Africans into his pirate crew but he dumped the majority of them on the island of Bekwai along with the French sliver crew a few days after seizing concord in November. Seventeen seventeen sadly. This enabled the French to quickly send a ship to Rian slave. The Africans as pirate. Blackbeard believed in equality and freedom for himself and his crew. But he wasn't terribly concerned with the rights or freedoms of others instead. Blackbeard focused his energies. On transforming his new flagship he docked the ship and added more cannons bringing the total number. Two forty he hoisted a new flag designed to strike terror into the hearts of his enemies a skeleton raising a glass to Satan while stabbing a bleeding heart with a long spear finally. He gave the ship a new name. Queen Ann's revenge. The renovations took only a week or so by December seventeen seventeen. Blackbeard was ready to set sail. He immediately began targeting ships in the Caribbean on December fifth. Blackbeard captured. The ship Margaret near Anguilla and took Henry Bostock the ship's sailing master or navigation expert as hostage. Blackbeard kept bostock hostage for eight hours and while they kept Boston prisoner blackbeard's pirates bragged that they had ample amounts of gold and treasure on board the Queen. Anne's revenge. After boss stuck was released he wrote in a letter to the Antigua governor on December nineteenth. That blackbeard had much gold. Dust aboard is certainly supports. Our theory that the BLACKBEARD's treasure was on his flagship. Bostick was also the first to elaborate on BLACKBEARD's physical appearance as quote a tall spare man with a very blackbeard which he wore very long and quote. Bostock's description was how? Blackbeard finally earned his infamous nickname in May of seventeen eighteen. Thirty eight year old black beard sale to Charlestown a busy port city in South Carolina. He now had his flagship. The Queen Ann's revenge as well as several smaller sloops. It was a strong enough fleet to blockade Charlestown and rob any ships sailing into or out of the port. Blackbeard seized and robbed at least nine ships at Charlestown. He amassed a sizable amount of treasure. Aboard the Queen. Anne's revenge over a period of about five days but while he was in Charlestown. Blackbeard heard a disturbing bit of news. The British Sea Captain Woods. Rogers was sailing from England with one hundred soldiers and three well armed warships to retake the Bahamas and wipe out any pirates in the vicinity. Were still rogers. Was Born in Sixteen. Seventy nine a year before blackbeard. Both Rogers and blackbeard grew up in Bristol. And it's possible. The two knew each other as children. If Rogers was aware of BLACKBEARD's true identity then. Blackbeard may have been desperate to avoid an encounter with him. Blackbeard wouldn't want word getting back to Bristol that he was a pirate since this would bring shame on his family in early. June seventeen eighteen. Blackbeard abandon his blockade of Charlestown and sale the Queen Ann's revenge and the rest of his captured ships to Topsail island off the coast of North Carolina. Suddenly the Queen. Anne's revenge struck a sandbar. The impact destroyed the ship's main. Mast wrecking the ship. Blackbeard quickly transferred whatever plunder. He could salvage from the Queen's revenge into the smaller sloops and made way for the mainland. Blackbeard sale two bath North Carolina in June. Seventeen eighteen. At this point he only had one sloop laughed and a few crew members in late June of seventeen eighteen he met with Governor Eden and received a pardon for all of his pirating activities. He bought a home in plum point and entertain the entire town with lavish parties. Even though blackbeard had received a royal pardon. He couldn't resist the lure of piracy for long within two months of receiving his June. Pardon blackbeard was back to plundering merchant ships on August. Twenty four th seventeen eighteen French captain John Goo Peel was sailing back to Europe in command of the merchant ship. Rose Emily travelling in tandem with the rose. Emily was a second merchant ship. Lasagna door they were just about a day sail away from Bermuda and the open Atlantic Ocean as the sun sank over the horizon. Captain Goo Peel noticed a small sloop approaching the Rose Emily. It didn't seem like anything to worry about. Until the tiny Spanish sloop sailed right alongside the Rose Emily. A Motley crew of pirates aboard the small Spanish ships deck bristling with weapons. Blackbeard was at the helm of the ship naming the sloops cannons at the rose. Emily Captain Appeal and his men scrambled point their cannons at the SLOOP. But then. Blackbeard pulled off an amazing stunt instead of engaging the rose. Emily in battle. Blackbeard sloop slipped past. The merchant ship blackbeard's sailed his sloop right over to the to his on door catching. It's French crew unprepared for battle. His men swiftly and seized the armed merchant ship. Blackbeard could now attack the Rose Emily with two ships his small Spanish sloop and the larger French merchant ship. Desperate to save the lives of his crew. Captain Goo Peel surrendered to blackbeard. The pirate could now sell the valuable barrels of sugar and cocoa aboard the French merchant ships and add to his ever increasing hoard of treasure despite the success in August blackbeard's returned to piracy. Didn't last long Governor Eden of North Carolina was willing to look the other way after. Blackbeard began attacking ships in August of seventeen eighteen. Possibly because the pirate was bribing him with a share of the spoils but governor spotswood Virginia was having none of it. Spotswood was tired of blackbeard attacking merchant ships off the Virginia coast. He didn't care if blackbeard had a pardon from Governor Eden. He wanted to get rid of the pirate once and for all after learning that. Blackbeard had a residence in bath. North Carolina Governor spotswood decided to invade the town and capture him. Of course the Virginia governor had no actual legal authority to invade North Carolina but spotswood was able to recruit British naval officers Captain Brand and Lieutenant Maynard to his 'cause they were more than willing to help him take down the infamous pirate. The plan was for Captain Brand to lead. Two hundred men overland towards bath. Meanwhile Lieutenant Maynard was ordered to sail to blackbeard's hideout on ocracoke island which is off the North Carolina coast in the outer banks to capture any pirates carousing. His secret base after Maynard captured all of the pirates at ocracoke. He was supposed to sail to bath to assist in the capture of BLACKBEARD. What maynard and the others didn't know was that blackbeard wasn't at his home in bath. He was at Ocracoke Maynard. Thought the ocracoke island would be simple capture of a few pirates stragglers instead. He found himself in a naval battle against BLACKBEARD maynard. Set Sail for ocracoke island on November seventeenth. He had two ships under his command the ranger and the Jane and only fifty seven men. It was a small crew but it was enough to take out the few pirates. Hold up at the island. Before rejoining the main force at Bat Maynard and his crew arrived at ocracoke island on the evening of November twenty first and saw one of BLACKBEARD's sloops docked at the island. It was dark enough out. The pirates failed to spot. The arrival of the British warships the British sailors rested in preparation for battle in the morning. Blackbeard on the other hand spent the evening of November. Twenty first drinking and partying. He had no idea. The British were about to attack. Maynard ordered his men awake at dawn on November. The twenty second with his men refreshed and ready for Battle. Maynard's to sloop sailed towards blackbeard. Sloop the adventure at seven. Thirty A M. The bleary eyed pirates finally noticed the British sloop sailing toward them. They raced to prepare for battle as the British ship sailed uncomfortably close. Blackbeard fired a warning shot from his. Cannon Maynard was undeterred as the ship's drew closer. He unfurled his flag the Union Jack. Now the pirates knew that the British navy were the ones hunting them soon the adventure and the Jane where within three hundred feet of each other. It was close enough for the captains to exchange greetings. Maynard never forgot the exchange. He later wrote quote at our first salutation. Blackbeard drank damnation to me. And my men who meets styled cowardly puppies saying he would never give or take quarter end quote in other words. Blackbeard was taking no prisoners. This was going to be a fight to the death and with that. Blackbeard signaled his cannons to fire at the Jane. Instead of firing one large cannonball each blackbeard's four cannons were filled with grape shot. Clusters of metal balls stuffed into large bags. Grape shot was a terrifyingly effective way of mowing down large numbers of soldiers at close range. Blackbeard's cannon fire attack decimated the British troops nine men died on the ranger including all three commanding officers. Twenty men were killed on the Jane. Blackbeard and his twenty-five member crew cheered and sailed the adventure within boarding range of the Jane and as they drew close they launched another devastating attack the pirates slob Granados or primitive grenades filled with gunpowder at the Jane. It seemed as though all was lost for Maynard but the British lieutenant had a backup plan earlier that morning. Hidde- hidden a well armed contingent of twelve men below the decks of the Jane which had kept them safe. From blackbeard's cannon fire above deck maynard had nothing more than a skeleton crew maynard wanted to use the Jane as a sort of Trojan horse. Once the pirates boarded the ship. His men could rush upstairs and ambush blackbeard and his pirates and with most of Maynard's men seemingly killed by cannon fire and grenades. Blackbeard and his men were eager to board the Jane. They only saw maynard three or four other sailors on the deck. It seems like easy pickings. Blackbeard boarded the ship with ten of his crew. And that's when Maynard gave the signal to his men hidden downstairs it was maynard and his twelve men versus black beard and his ten pirates. The battle was chaotic. Everyone used whatever weapons they had on hand pistols cutlasses or short swords even bare fists. Blackbeard himself had several pistols tucked into his belt. Each capable of firing only one bullet he rushed towards Lieutenant Maynard and both men fired pistols at each other. Blackbeard was wounded but this barely slowed him down. He attacked Maynard with his curved cutlass. The two engaged in a duel to the death. Blackbeard quickly sliced Maynard's hand opened with his cutlass as maynard struggled to recover. Blackbeard raised his sword. Ready to cut the lieutenant down. Blackbeard didn't notice Maynard's men approaching. One of the men leaped in between blackbeard and Maynard and slashed BLACKBEARD's face. The wounded pirate kept fighting but he was now outnumbered by Maynard and his men they stabbed the pirate twenty times with their swords and shot him five times with their pistols but blackbeard was still fighting. Finally one of Maynard's men a Scottish soldier. Sunk his sword into blackbeard's neck. Even this didn't kill the pirate. Blackbeard mocked the Scotsman and cried. Well done lad the Scotsman replied if it be not well done. I'll do it better. He swung his sword and sliced off blackbeard's head and with that final stroke. Blackbeard died November. Twenty second seventeen eighteen and with the pirate dead. The British sailors began a hunt for blackbeard's loot they never found his buried treasure. And the search for BLACKBEARD's gold has continued for three hundred years. Our story will continue in a moment after the break and now back to the story. Blackbeard died in a climactic battle against British forces. On November twenty second seventeen eighteen in the waters off ocracoke island treasure hunters have spent three hundred years since his death looking for blackbeard's buried treasure they were likely spurred on by. Captain Johnson. Seventeen twenty four pirate book a General History of the robberies and murders of the most notorious pirates in the book. Johnson recounted a conversation between blackbeard and his crewmates when one of the pirates asked blackbeard where he hid his money black bed replied that only he and the devil knew where his treasure was buried and with that Johnson inspired generations of treasure hunters to start digging for BLACKBEARD's buried riches. Most of our theories about the treasure's location are focused around the last six months of blackbeard's life our first theory is that blackbeard's treasure saint to the bottom of the ocean in early June. Seventeen eighteen along with his flagship. The Queen Ann's revenge. We know that. Blackbeard kept at least some of his plunder aboard his ships. You may remember that Bostock. A ship master taken prisoner for a day on the Queen. Anne's revenge noted that there was much gold dust aboard and when blackbeard finished his blockade of Charlestown in late May seventeen eighteen. He had just robbed nine ships. He had plenty of Lewd aboard the Queen. Anne's revenge when he wrecked the flagship a few days later in June in his hurry to transfer the treasurer from Queen answer avenge into the smaller. Sloops was blackbeard forced to leave a significant portion of plunder behind. When the Queen's revenge sank to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean perhaps most of blackbeard's treasure disappeared with the flagship ditz viable theory. But you're assuming that. Blackbeard accidentally wrecked his ships. Blackbeard had captured and refurbished. The Queen answer revenge just seven months earlier in November. Seventeen seventeen no self respecting pirate would sink his own flagship. Blackbeard might have especially if this enabled him to betray his own men and keep most of his treasure for himself. One reason he may have sunk his own. Flagship is because he wanted to go legitimate by early June. Blackbeard knew that the British King George. The first was offering clemency to pirates. Who petitioned for a pardon by September? Fifth Seventeen Eighteen. All blackbeard had to do was surrender himself to quote any governor or deputy governor of any of Britain's plantations beyond the sea end quote. Blackbeard didn't want to be executed by the British government but he also knew that many of his crew members were loath to abandon their criminal lifestyle and most importantly he had over three hundred men under his command. He did not want to divide up his treasure with that. Many crew members some historians theorize. That blackbeard came up with a clever plan to keep his loot. After wrecking the Queen. Anne's revenge BLACKBEARD's set up a base camp for as men. At Beaufort South Carolina he encouraged the crew to drink and Mary then. Blackbeard asked somewhere between twenty and forty of his most trusted crewmates to help him move his treasure from the Queen. Anne's revenge to his smaller sloops and with that. Blackbeard sailed off on the smaller ships with all the treasure and a skeleton crew of about forty men. He left behind over two hundred of his crew in Beaufort. Not all of the crew members who blackbeard took with him were willing to go along with his betrayal. At least seventeen. Men rebelled against blackbeard after he abandoned the rest of the crew so blackbeard's stranded the mutineers on an uninhabited island now. We can't know for sure if blackbeard intentionally saying the Queen Anne's revenge. It's possible that he smashed the Queen. Anne's revenge into a sandbar entirely by accident. The topsail inlet now known as the Buford Inland is in the Outer Banks of North Carolina and area nicknamed the Graveyard of the Atlantic because it's rough waters and hidden. Sandbars have wrecked numerous ships. The Queen Anne's revenge could've been just one of many many ships to the area according to one theory blackbeard with simply sailing into do maintenance on the ship and cleaned the bottom of the boat but when he tried to navigate the Queen Anne's revenge through topsail inlet. He hit the sandbar unable to free the ruined boat. Blackbeard and the other pirates quickly abandoned ship. Blackbeard would have been in a hurry to transfer whatever loot he could off the damaged ship before it sank. But it was impossible to know for sure whether blackbeard's treasure was left behind on the sunken ship unless someone found the wreckage of the Queen Ann's revenge for hundreds of years. The Queen answer avenge was lost to the ocean's depths but in nineteen ninety. Six there was a breakthrough salvagers working for the company. Inter Saul Incorporated found a shipwreck on the ocean floor. In the waters off topsail island. The company quickly began to suspect that they had discovered the queen. Anne's revenge if so this was a thrilling and rare. Fine listen to Barry Clifford a treasure. Hunter explain how it feels to discover a pirate ship. A dream come true of you know how did Inter Saul No? They'd found blackbeard's flagship for starters. The shipwreck matched the enormous size and descriptions of the Queen. Anne's revenge the shipwrecks location matched the alleged location of BLACKBEARD's shipwreck and the artifacts on the ship were dated to seventeen eighteen or earlier which matches the date. The ship sank salvagers recovered. Hundreds of thousands of items including Lebron's ship bell dated seventeen. O Nine a mortar and pestle. Copper soared guard navigational instruments and even scraps of books dating back to seventeen twelve. They also found twenty four cannons in the shipwreck. At least four of the recovered cannons. Were already loaded. This ship had an abnormal number of weapons and it was clearly manned by sailors who regularly engaged in battle in other words. Pirates as underwater archeologist. Dr Richard Lawrence told The New York Times Nineteen ninety-seven quote. I'm ninety percent convinced. This is the ship it all just falls into place the date on the bell the blunderbuss the cannon that. We've observed the lack of any other candidate in this area. The ship is right where it should be. End Quote Dr. Jeffrey J Crowe. The Director of North Carolina's division of archives and history also told The New York Times that quote everything points to it being associated with blackbeard and quote and fifteen years after the shipwreck was discovered in nineteen ninety six. The State of North Carolina officially declared it to be the queen. Answer Avenge in two thousand eleven. But the question remains is blackbeard's treasure hidden somewhere in the wreck. Salvagers Marine archaeologists have in fact found gold in the wreckage of the Queen. Anne's revenge but it's a very tiny amount about two grams. Worth of tiny gold pieces were discovered hidden in a pile of lead shot. The biggest piece of gold was only a half a centimeter long. This obviously wasn't a large enough stash to blackbeard's treasure. Archaeologists believe the gold may have belonged to one of the ship's original French crew members when blackbeard sees the ship in November. Seventeen seventeen the French crew member may have stashed the golden an ammunition barrel to hide it from blackbeard. On the other hand. The gold may have belonged to one of BLACKBEARD's pirates. Perhaps he didn't have time to retrieve his share of the treasure before the ship sank. The amount of gold found so far at the wreckage is a bit underwhelming. But there's a chance that archaeologists could find more gold the Queen. Anne's revenge was over a hundred feet. Long and the shipwreck is massive. There's still plenty to explore and uncover. And fortunately excavation of the wreck halted in twenty fifteen inter saul the salvage company that found the wreckage and the state of North Carolina have spent the last several years engaged in a lawsuit over. Who has the right to publish videos and photos of the Queen? Anne's revenge as of this recording. The legal dispute is still ongoing. So although archaeologists haven't found blackbeard's treasure yet the loot could still be hidden in the unexplored section of the wreckage. We can only hope that excavation starts up again soon. That brings us to our second theory. Did blackbeard hide his treasure in bath. North Carolina. We know that. Blackbeard took up residence in bath in late June. Seventeen eighteen after the queen. Anne's revenge sank. Some historians believe he maroon most of his crew in Beaufort and took all of his plunder with him to bath. We do know that. Blackbeard arrived in bath with a hefty. Amount of treasure was at all of his treasure. We can't be sure that it is possible that he buried some of this treasure at his home in plum point in the summer of seventeen eighteen. And it's possible that. Blackbeard kept his treasure with him on his ships. Blackbeard was known for his extravagant parties and bath. The money to pay for those parties had to come from somewhere. He didn't have a legal job so it only makes sense that he was using his treasure to pay for his expensive lifestyle. Blackbeard in bath for the last six months of his life until his death on November. Twenty second seventeen eighteen so he had quite a bit of time to hide his treasure. There are a couple locations near bath where he may have hidden loot. It's believed that BLACKBEARD's house was in plum point an area of land that lies along the coastline of Bath Creek. No-one found any treasure at blackbeard's house in the immediate aftermath of his death on November twenty second and today no one knows for sure where his house actually stood but some treasure hunters believe that the ruins of a house and Plumb Point? Are the remains of BLACKBEARD's old home? They suspect that. Blackbeard buried the treasure. Somewhere on the property. It's a reasonable theory. Blackbeard would want to keep his loot readily accessible. What better place to hide your treasure than in your own home. By nineteen seventy four treasure hunters had doug many holes around the ancient house in plum point. Unfortunately they found no signs of BLACKBEARD's treasure. But there's another place in Bath. Where blackbeard might have hidden his plunder. There used to be a mysterious round brick structure in a field near bath. According to legend this was a sort of a oven that blackbeard us to make tar to seal the seams of his ships and make them waterproof because of the legend. The place was dubbed teaches. Kettle teaches kettle began attracting attention from tourists and treasure hunters. Who hoped that? Blackbeard had buried his lost treasure somewhere in the field. Unfortunately the farmer who owned the field tired of the sizable crowds and destroyed the kettle. And although a lot of holes have been dug in that field no one ever uncovered any signs of Blackbeard's plunder at this point it seems unlikely that blackbeard's treasure is actually in bath. Otherwise treasure hunter would have found something significant over the course of three hundred years. Our third theory is that blackbeard's treasure is a North Carolina's ocracoke island whereas life came to a bloody end on November twenty. Second Seventeen eighteen after cutting off. Blackbeard's head British Lieutenant Maynard at his men were eager to seize whatever pirate treasure they could find. They stated ocracoke until November twenty fourth hunting down any escape. Pirates and searching for loot meaner surged blackbeard's ship the adventure as well as the pirate's hideout on Ocracoke Island. According to Captain Johnson Maynard found quote twenty-five hogs heads of sugar eleven barrels and one hundred and forty five bags of cocoa a barrel of indigo and a bale of cotton and quote. It was a disappointing find maynard was so disgruntled over the minimal loot that he sees an additional sixty hogs has of sugar from Governor. Edens home in bath. Incidentally the seizure of governor enes personal property marked the beginning of a legal battle between the North Carolina Governor and Virginia's Governor Spotswood that continued on even after Governor Edens. Death in Seventeen. Twenty Two maynard made two thousand two hundred thirty eight dollars by selling the seized goods along with blackbeard's ship the adventure. That's just over. Eighty five thousand dollars in today's currency still manner didn't find what he was looking for. It's possible he missed a cache of lewd while he was searching ocracoke island. If not maynard someone else should have found blackbeard's plunder by now ocracoke is only nine point. Six square miles and treasure hunters have had three hundred years to search. The tiny island for pirate loot parts of the island are less than half a mile wide. You can stand in the middle and see the ocean on both sides there. Aren't that many places to dig true. But the Outer Banks of North Carolina are constantly changing due to hurricanes tides and climate change areas that used to be inland are now beaches and places that used to be underwater. Have become shoreline. It's possible that blackbeard's buried treasure is now hidden underwater. Maybe but it seems like maynard did a fairly thorough search of ocracoke. I don't think it's likely that blackbeard's treasure is on ocracoke. I disagree with you. It's extremely difficult to dig under water especially along coastlines and the treasurer even could have been buried even deeper or moved by the strong tides and shifting shorelines. Let's agree to disagree. Let's consider our four theory. Blackbeard's treasure is in Burlington New Jersey. This theory May seem a bit far fetched. This is probably because it's based more on the rumors that sprung up after blackbeard's death than on the facts surrounding the final months of his life. We do know that. Blackbeard spent some time in New Jersey in the fall of seventeen seventeen and it's certainly possible that he stashed some lewd away before he sailed south. But this particular legend about blackbeard's treasured didn't become widespread until the early eighteen hundreds decades after the pirates death according to the legend. Blackbeard buried a treasure chest under a black walnut tree. At two one seven would street in Burlington. He also killed a Spaniard and buried the man's body upright above the treasure chest. A much more gruesome form of x marks. The spot definitely this legend about the treasure chest was passed down among Burlington residents for over two generations and in nineteen twenty six florence steward. The property owner of two one seven would street decided to see if there was any truth to the legends on October. Seventh Nineteen Twenty. Six Florence instructed several workers to dig holes under an ancient black walnut tree on her land known amongst the townspeople as the pirate. Trie a gaggle of school children soon gathered at two one. Seven would street eager to assist in the dig that very same day. The school children found a human skull in one of the dig sites holes. The kids were thrilled. If this was the Spaniards skull then blackbeard's treasure must be underneath and sure enough. The laborers found something large and heavy in the whole they had dug. Perhaps it was blackbeard's treasure chest. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure instead of handing the finding over to Florence. The workers quit and they took the mysterious object with them. Maybe the workers did find blackbeard's treasure and decided to keep it for themselves. Florence evidently feared that her workers were stealing from her. She kicked all of the volunteers out of her yard and asked the police to protect your property until she could hire new workers and come over herself to supervise the dig. The school kids were disappointed to be kicked off of Florence's property but this wasn't going to deter them from digging for treasure on October Eighth Nineteen Twenty Six. They began digging holes in the yard of Florence's neighbor Anna Pugh. The hit only dug a few feet before they found more bones. The kids were elated. This must be the bones of the dead Spaniard. Unfortunately a veterinarian determined that the kids had merely uncovered a collection of cow bones. It turned out they were digging on the side of a former tannery. But that doesn't explain. The human skull found it to one seven. Would street a New York Times reporter covering the excavation pointed out a possible explanation he wrote quote it is recalled also against the theory that the skull found on Mr. It's property is a relic of the pirate days. That many Indians have been buried in that section end quote in other the Burlington towns people eagerly digging for pirate treasure were probably desecrating a native American graveyard. So there's a small possibility that Florence stewards initial group of workers found blackbeard's treasure chest and stole it before quitting but it seems more likely that they actually found valuable native American relic and stole it from the ancient graveyard of all our theories. I think the idea that blackbeard's treasure is in New Jersey is the least likely to be true. I agree it's grounded in legend not the actual events of blackbeard's life and there's no clear reason why. Blackbeard would leave a treasure chest behind a new jersey in seventeen seventeen before sailing south. Our final theory is that there's no treasure to be found and blackbeard spent most of his riches before he died. This would explain why Lieutenant Maynard and the other British soldiers were able to find any valuable lewd when they searched ocracoke island and blackbeard's house in bath after his death on November. Twenty second seventeen. Eighteen the first person to even claim that blackbeard had buried. Treasure was captain. Johnson and many historians believe the author exaggerated or outright fictionalized many of the tales in his pirate book. It's also significant that. No one has been able to find buried treasure at any location connected to blackbeard in over three hundred years according to Angus costume author of BLACKBEARD. The world's most notorious pirate quote. It is highly unlikely that. Blackbeard ever buried to cash money as he had no reason to even if he had the stash would have been a small one bearing no resemblance to the buried treasure of pirate fiction with at any evidence to the contrary. We have to write off the treasure story as just another blackbeard myth and quote and fortunately our last theory is the most likely to be accurate. Though it's possible some treasure has been lost forever in the shifting sands around ocracoke. Most Likely. Blackbeard didn't bury his treasure before he died. Blackbeard may not have left behind any buried gold but he left us another kind of treasure the wreckage of the Queen. Anne's revenge so far. Archaeologists have recovered over three hundred thousand artifacts including cannons medical equipment scraps of reading material and even a tiny amount of gold as we celebrate the three hundred years since the sinking of the Queen. Anne's revenge we look forward to uncovering the remaining secrets hidden in the wreckage of BLACKBEARD's flagship. Thanks for tuning into gone. If you liked the show you can subscribe for episodes on apple podcasts tune in Google play stitcher spotify or your favorite podcast directory. 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L.. Y.. Jag about today. Really DOT com slash at. What a sports weekend in south. Florida Sports equinoxes there was a time where four professional and amateur sports all with massive playoff implications we're going on at the exact same time and it came out pretty right for south Florida decent weekend although the dolphins season if you had playoff hopes and maybe that's diminished a little bit. We're getting dangerously close to having to apologize Josh Allen. I know Dan will refuse to I'm still holding onto the last bid but man that was impressive. Where do we start guys marlins right. MARLINS are taking care of business. You would think that the letdown happening. No hurricane I figured you start with a cane. I Want I WANNA get full buy in for my crew. Let's get more pain Stewart today. I am wearing my Bryson d Shambo hat because I finally found a guy on the PGA tour and it's Bryson d sham bow and he ran away with the US. Open is one of the few times Zet I'm like this is an appointment watch when it comes to golf and for me, it's Bryson D Shambo. Now suits was also supposed to wear a hat after telling me for several weeks purchase one yesterday I got a text from saying, Hey, do you have an extra had why? On Earth would I have extra one he was he's been lying for several weeks had front. Really what happened was my told me he purchased two hats I asked him the purchase two hats he said he purchased to had I asked him yesterday if he had to has if they're sending me a picture of himself in one of the hats, the other funny thing that happened yesterday with Bryson is Mike and I think we wore out one day explaining to them that the guys game is not suited for the US Open. He ran away with it. He was the only guy under par the entire Torah was a hell of A. National. Kid. into making fun of himself. Unreal. It was his analysis. Very clear me out that part is act. Let me be very clear if there is an account of how something down and Sue God's quickly tries to clarify exactly how it went down trust that's the Lai. However, he tries to sweep it over by deflecting and just going into some take on. It wasn't the take. It was take what he tried to do their camouflage. The lie with the fact that the take makes him look like a fool because he say that Sham Bros. game is too much. Hack swing all over the place for that course you have to be precise. I don't think it was you on Mike do I think it was you in Chris who had that analysis and again it did wear me out perhaps it was me and Chris it was me it's somebody I know I was saying it. But yes. You guys are listening I don't like the you're on to how you know the way I go about lying to everyone. I hope. Morning it out twenty years to figure it all out. It's hard. So my my Golfer one professional football team won my college team won I'm invested in this marlins seem I really like Pablo Lopez I kinda thought billy that this would be the time that they'd get everybody's hopes up and start losing some bad baseball teams occasional loss here or there. But for the most part successful week of baseball from the Miami Billy what needs to happen here the rest of the way seven. Games in order for them to get into the playoffs what do they need to do when three or four the need to blow it Dan I don't know to say they need to not mess this up by possibly mess it up slightly so they get out of that too and into that work that first wild we've gone over this a thousand times that we can do this again for though but just what are we rooting for in the next seven games? How many victory? Raise case what's worse case billy like what gets always seven is worst case. We could technically, if other teams all lose, we could get in at seven I get your point. But I think I was texting with Dan yesterday I think three and four gets us in billy there. I said it this week seven games left three of which against the Yankees that's going to be tough. So we we got the braves four before that the division leading braves this is huge. It's so exciting guy nervous this as well against the braves here's the thing about this baseball season, right? So you don't actually know how good anyone is right you think you do you think you know the dodgers are good and you think You know that the padres are good right but everybody's only played their own division and then that equivalent in the opposite league, right so once you get to the playoffs, all bets are off because you could win a ton of games when you play the same team twenty times a year, right? Like it's been such a weird year like Jacob degrom get four consecutive starts against the Marlins that doesn't happen in a normal season. So you're just seeing the same teams over and over and over again once you get the playoffs, you're going to see everybody for the first time and then Dan all bets are off all bets are never off. Put It on the Paul not off put it on the poll at Lebatardshow are all bets ever? Yes, or no man daddy's been volume shooter when it comes to the bedding to. I'm texting with them on Saturday night I realized this Derek. King guys pretty good. So I figured Hey I'm GonNa Tax Mike and tell him that deer kings pretty good. Mike text me back. I Have Louisville money line like what's going on. Well, he initially text me. He's like this guy's legit and I'm like you're GONNA have to be more specific than watching five game. I'll tell you what happened there because Derek King. Yes. First of all that Um game they've got a kicker and they've got a quarterback dude's making a back shoulder throw on fourth and Short Anthro Harleys Ridiculous is Louisville. Any good. Louisville's going to be the fastest thing they play all year. Louisville allowed about five hundred yard plays weird plays broken coverages there batted defense they're always. Bad at defense but that is a reason to be enthused you. You clearly have a quarterback who is competent like there's no disputing he is absolutely competent and the Game Plan for Louisville I. Also, I need to see this season play out a little bit because I'm also with you. I don't think Louisville's defense is very good but they very clearly entered that game trying to make the Eric. King beat them from the pocket. Dear Kingdom rush all that much. This was a rushing attack that the last game. Yes I know it was against you a, but that was the second best rushing performance since two thousand, four that we've seen from the Miami Hurricanes. So the plan was let's Spy, on the Eric King and make them beat us with pro throws. He did that now don't trust the wide receivers on this team. Well, wait a minute speaking of trust because Chris I actually might continues to double down on the point of Manny Diaz needs earn my respect. So I asked him after Saturday's game did many D as earn six percent of your respect after that game, he's not willing to give many as any any earned respect dude I mean the performance year was a tire fire anytime. You'd give this guy a bye week to prepare for an opponent as a double digit favored at home. He be losing outright too bad teams that final stretch last season where you're losing. And getting shut out in your bowl game against Louisiana Tech. I, think I'm right to to be really cautious with his head coach. He has to earn my trust like laying ten against a rival and Fsu those games are always close I need to see more from manny. Diaz. That's all. Add nine yards rushing in that game he threw for three twenty-five but mike the the receivers you don't trust the guy I. Love is Cameron Harris on that. He's a running back, but you don't trust any of their wide receiver. I don't trust any of the wide receivers I man I. Really Wish we had cage a osborne on this team, the receivers that you trust or the tight ends, and that's just going to say, but we have thirty two NFL. So they want to limit what the king does on the ground right so you do that by signing a spy at least conventional wisdom tells you that right which leaves a weakness to exploit with your NFL tight ends and breath Jordan absolutely took over that game will mallory even though that play got called back you that he can also play on Sundays and like I said briefly I do believe that Louisville offense is super potent. They have very fast quarterback in Cunningham a Tutu Atwell, which was a name that I heard before game. He's showing you that he's GonNa play on Sundays a running back super fast. It's a very quick team and there was some garbage time points in. The fourth quarter all in all reasons to be enthused about Miami because that's a that's as impressive as a win that we've seen in the college football season period. The thing to be excited about is you clearly have a kicker I was stunned that they went for a fifty seven yard field goal early in that game, and you clearly have a quarterback like there's no dispute and you clearly have tight ends but but as it relates to quarterback and kicker like you're solid there and it's been a long time since you felt like you're solid in those two plays let let's just set the quarterback aside because I do think he's a special quarterback at least when we look at it. Through, a Miami prism when you look at the Games at Miami has lost because there were a lot of one possession losses, one score losses over the last few years, you can trace a lot of those losses, the majority of those losses to what was happening on special teams whether it was feebles, punter or Baxter the kicker, and now you have a special teams at least in the kicking game kicking punting that you trust and you look back at some of those losses and you could flip some results if you just had. A Modicum of trust in your special teams and I think I have that through two games here with the Miami. Do you trust your marlins? Do you trust them hell? Yeah. I trust these marlins why wouldn't I trust these MARLINS and I? Know you're going to say blue bad ruin defer to their mind is twenty six in run differential. Let me tell you something right now in the past two weeks they've had three games that they've been outscored by forty six runs total united. That is those are just back. Those are games that we don't even pay attention to the way I. See they have a plus twenty, five run differential. Right? Is that how the math works out and I was looking at other teams run differential by the way, the American League east in particular the rates should have a much better record or a much better run differential and plus fifty one. If they're like twenty games over five hundred, right, I'm not afraid of anyone except maybe the dodgers but even the dodgers I'm not afraid of them. In fact, I want the dodgers in the first round if the morals can find a way to tank and get to the take on the dodgers. The dodgers. Weeks you've been waiting to dodgers. I thought that position. I want to avoid the dodgers in a seven game series I see but in a best of three I, want the dodgers and I want to take them out of the playoffs. Sounding confident the yesterday when Kim Slur are closer that guy sucks. Kesslers goal closer. Kids learn. To put Jimmy in there are closed yummy hasn't done anything. Why I am I, Gimme the perfect closer for Miami through God's has entered the Kornheiser phase of his career where the only jokes he makes when he doesn't know anything is just in May name another guy whose name sound similar from back when he was paying attention to sport what a disaster you guys watching now you are watching in the first game yes. The double header. No lie basis are loaded there up to strikes two-out there up by one run. It's the final pitch and I think holly or submarine or someone goes. This is the biggest pitch of the game the wind up by Kinzler who's been kind of all over the place setting the wind up by kids sir, he goes to release it. The screen goes black and the next pops up his just marlins logo and technical difficult like. Going and checking in. On what's going on I don't know what's happening here and then they tell me that they win but I know the way things work and I, know the way twitter lies. Did they accident? Tying to me I need to look. Some people have had is some people could some refreshing the freedom refreshing the ESPN? Score. It actually happen. I'm been tricked by what I thought was audio difficulties because look I've been watching the marlins over recent years it's been on mute but now they're playing some big games and they're getting the sound on the TV and I'm still trying to learn how how to distinguish the voices the commentary team because they sound they sound so similar and there were times that they say awesome hear. Awesome. Awesome. I'm like Oh really there's a knowledge there's an echo here. No, they're both reacting to something but I think there's like. They sound that much the same perhaps the both of them saying the same thing you need to listen more to what they're saying because there's certain things that Hollywood say that Paul Severino or anyone else broadcast booth would typically say and there's things that he does if you hear a chuckle. Holly. He does that a lot he likes to chuckle. Going on here, someone rooting for something to happen that's pro marlins. You know that's also holly because he'll be telling people to run it out if you hear the word Liddy you know that that's all it's been very tough. I'm sure you guys had this difficult years ago when the when they tried it out the announce team, but all that stuff is happening. But one thing that I'm really enjoying, they're trying to draw back some of the older marlins fans. Hey, this is different by doing these zoom interviews bringing in one year Charles Johnson and it just so happens that every time they bring in these legends of Marlins Pass like the marlins erupt. So now just zoom any Marlin with a ring. Let's get lenny. Harris in there for fourth inning and Charles Charles Johnson had the most heavy-handed handed placement of his gold glove trophy like it was like literally on his right shoulder just like a bird would be sitting. A good move. My Charles Johnson to is he can't just call it baseball anytime. He called it the sport. It was the game of Baseball I. Love Cj. I love that the national audience just heard the phrase a Marlins Legend's Juan Pierre and Charles Johnson J. Luminaries? Billie. Tell me more about how this game ended for you. How long were you searching I want to know how long before you found out what terrible timing on audio and technical difficulties well, and it was also in the middle of like red zone. So there was a thousand things going on the same time I had like four. TV's I had a TV at an IPAD, my phone. And I had a running yesterday it way too much going on way too much going on, and then there were technical difficulties in the dolphins game I make we get it together as a city. It's embarrassing. At this point, we can't survive a little bit of rain what's going on here God bless those technical difficulties because much south Florida miss out on four hundred passing yards from Josh Allen. Dad Thought he was terrible. This'll be fun to watch over the course of the season because I think he's to reckless is what I think. You saw in the playoffs last year against Houston where he ends up running back toward the wrong goal line, and then he throws across his body. To into double coverage, he was great yesterday I cannot dispute that he was anything other than great yesterday you know who else was reckless Dan Brett farve and you know where he lives right now canton that's right even with how good. Josh. Allen was yesterday there was one play where they had to bring out the telestrator and mock how terrible one of his throws were were a guy was wide open going across the field and he he's good for one throw a game. That's just like, oh My God he's a gunslinger interceptions for Josh Allen yesterday none. Yeah. That's pretty good. I will say that right and today you will be able to do that You'll be able to do that all day today because of how grady was but right before he threw his last touchdown pass, which was a back breaker ended the game and it was amazing. He also through another punt into double coverage that should have been intercepted like he makes bad decision that can't be disputed that what what remains to be seen in the way that I will be wrong about him is if he somehow fixes that because what he might because he can grow as a quarterback because of how young he is, but he thinks his. ATHLETICISM can compensate for everything and yesterday on passes of more than twenty yards. He was like seven of eight for two hundred and fifty yards like right. He was unbelievably good on on deep throws yesterday he's a better athlete than most people thought coming out of college because he'd get run the ball. So he can make he could extend plays he can make. Plays with his legs but really I think what's happened for he has wide receiver I took him two years but they got John Brown, last year digs this year and Cole Beasley last year if Beazley's your third receiver that's pretty good. Yeah. They added pigs It's it was really hard to judge him and I thought I could but he didn't really have. Weapons and just thought you know Steph on digs is going there to have his career die and the opposite has happened. He's actually really helped a young quarterback developing. I'm dangerously close to walk it back Chris, where are we on the the to a doomsday clock? Yeah. We inching closer to threat level midnight. Are we calling for to a yet? We're not calling. For me at the dolphins are in a sweet spot right now they got to in the chamber they're losing game. So if they keep losing, they're going to get a good draft pick and they have the announcer saying things like this, which the announcer said yesterday, this is an improved football team they might be oh, and that's the kind of things you want. Announcer saying about your bad football team there too. But this is you could tell Brian floors doing good things in that locker room. This is an improved for the kind of stuff they were saying that all the Games lose all the games but just be a team that the announcer say, Hey, this is an improvement or are they going to be put to? But he said it so he thinks so do is in the Chamber I'm good. You can't. You can't take me off this high until we played one hundred record is man right but we're inching closer to wanting to play to right. Maybe is your season over is your season over? That the bills and the Patriots are good. and. The bills are good weather not Josh Allen is good. They showed that last year the bills are are good they I would argue the bills or a quarterback away. is your dolphin season over. Yes, as far as making the playoffs this year, I'm not that's not what I'm interested in right now just you know, let's just build slow burn here. Christian Wilkins looks like he's taken a little bit of a step little pieces here I'm a little worried about those two cornerbacks that we paid like you said Josh Allen was everywhere. So that is concerning but I'm good there's nothing really unless to is inserted and is terrible. There's not much going to be able to say to me this year. About that just in herber yesterday. strapping young men. Yeah. Everyone knew that she's one in that game everyone right? He's got some great quarterback hair does he not I mean just flows beautifully out of the Helmet I. Wish he was my quarterback just far. Yeah. He really does he's always like the guy came out of the womb. The part but I will say one last thing on the dolphins I own to. Normally you're like me and it's going to be really difficult to make the playoffs. You've seen all the stats right but even mind we have to recalibrate our math there because they added a playoff team. So whereas if you started to ano under the old system sixty, two percent of those teams make the playoffs. Now you have no idea what the math is because there's an extra playoff team in each conference. So dolphins season isn't over yet, but we three is kind of feeling a little must winnie you guys mentioned Herbert and Alan and I'm telling you that those. Two guys are going to save us from white lives, matter protests in the streets because you can't take their quarterbacks and their emmys. You GotTa pick one of the one of the two you can't take both the EMMYS and all the quarterbacks and Herbert, and and Josh Allen or here on behalf of the future is Tom. Brady. Ages and the peyton manning type of quarterback leaves. Did you see Herbert hurt a linebacker yesterday? I did see that but Brady aging did you see employees yesterday? He was just okay. He was pretty good. He's just getting started I mean Mike Gavin just getting healthy was don't say it wrong when I care about you wrong. GRONK is gone. Chris, what did you see from Brady as? Watching the same game as as you just watching too much Sam. darnold. So he doesn't know what a good quarterback looks like A. was more taken aback by Brady I. It's more obvious. All the workers having done in the off season when I look at his face on the sideline. My lot of say that like it's like he shares in years he kind of knew it was happening but he's still looked great it becoming that that part where you're like, okay, there's some obvious like that's the I thought. You have you don't think to yourself. He looks great anymore you think always had work done. Dan. I can answer the onfield question. He actually had two touchdowns that were drawn by Scotty Miller and and a gift bag stew. Shawn. McCoy. Yes boy. touchdowns that were completely dropped and again Chris Godden wasn't even playing STU. Yeah Justin Herbert did ruin because I. saw I think that tweet has since been deleted the undefeated tweeted out this weekend where most black quarterbacks the weekend where you have most head to head black quarterback ups and in the graphic was Patrick mahomes versus tyrod Taylor and incomes just herbert like, no, no, no, no. No. Hold on. We've made enough history. So, Brady should've had three touchdowns at what interception and he also has a running game because Leonard Fournette twelve carries one hundred and three yards that'd be to touch stats I'm telling you watch out for the buck and Roggio to real fast twenty just a quick tangent. Are you? Okay after last night when the EMMYS dunked on you because you said Shits crew was watched you think I was watching the Emmys last night I'm Chris. We had a historic Sunday night football game and you're worried about the EMMYS. You said Shits Creek was overrated and they won literally every I again and I said the same thing on. A completely comfortable with my take it's not a show for me. It's just it isn't. It was awkward the Emmys last night done that way. But they just showed on our televisions here the play that a Mahomes tyreek hill connected on one Mike. And Mike is asking the question. Did you know the chiefs were going to win? He's rolling out I. Don't know maybe L. Way like I'm trying to think of the rest of the I'm trying to think of the quarterback ever that can make that throw when have a receiver? That's a bowling ball that's double covered, and it doesn't matter the tyreek Hill is double cover because he's faster than everybody away would be that guy in double d. Line. Up At hurricanes quarterback the king. Eats a new season. And it sport clips haircut all of our stylists are cleaned, certified and Guy Smart. So come in and get yourself back in the game with our legendary MVP experience. It's a man Keisha with our hot steam towel relaxing shampoo in a winning cut. Check in online and walk out with confidence sport clips. It's good to be a guy. And you used. It's your apartment speaking and I need some favors when you're seeing in the shower, just try going up. 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Kristen Yeah I think we even mentioned that somehow maybe even mentioned. Yeah, and also. Also. poop their pants who pooped their pants who else is marlins legend because Dan's Rye JP Charles Johnson is a sad list of Marlon. You win a ring for this franchise alleged Marlin Ledge I. Guess You're probably right? Yeah. Yeah. Helms. Tros. Johnson is not a more legend He. Was EJ's of. Marlin And he went to you know he is he figuring all those Patriot Let's. Let's let's. Let you go Jay. Let's say you're bill. Let's. Let's bill. Yo- get back. We'll give you ten seconds to there make a good point or take it back up to you. Maybe the fourth best catcher, the Marlins have ever. You might be right but that still doesn't make them. You have Jason Let's. Get. The hell out of here with top five moral and gadgets top five. Yes. All right number one. Yes. dookie. Nothing about pledges that pledges around for years. So we make him number one. Year is going old faithful, the first classic, Oh Yeah Well Benitez, obviously on that list Benito's in the top five marlins catchers of all time. Let. Let's just say in no particular order Benito's in their. Pledges in their Piazza. Yeah was there eight days? DOOKIE was here man. Eight amazing though where you're like I got Mike Piazza. was. Cheered Self Rainer, Greg's on. Red. Read Mike. Redmond. There is a lot. You see it's not as easy as you guys. Can. Billy, Redman. Mike Redman and Greg Zone. You're not Charles Johnson type of catcher neither one of them. You know you have your opinion I have mine. Debatable. Right? Have you looked at any of the numbers oh? No I don't need to look at numbers positive test. But Duke, a yeah dookie John Baker who could forget about him. John. Rebelo was a key part of that Miguel Cabrera trade we can talk about the Eastern Conference finals or we can talk about Inter Miami. All of a sudden being tied for the final playoff spot I want to hear more from Chris Cody on pooping his pants because of the Eastern Conference finals. Now, honestly, if we've talked about this stuff before he'd fans expected that to be a long series and then they win. The first two games, and then they don't expect to lose anymore and then you lose a game. It's the funny thing about fans is you forget about the past and even though you think it's going to be a long series by any discernible measure you expect to win all the Games every time you're going into one, and then you get scared when the Celtics do and this was very predictable right in that. Sport the thing that stunned me was the clippers losing game seven because in that sport if the better team during the regular season is down to old, that's exactly the game. The better team gives you more aggressive at the rim doing things that you haven't seen before because there's just a crazy desperate urgency. We can't go down three Oh and have our season ended tonight and so Jaylen Brown was exactly what? Marcus smart. I imagine was coercing him to be more aggressive goal. Do them go do things near the rim where things are harder and so like to me that that was the most productive predictable result of the entire series right there that that Miami wouldn't win that game because if you expect a long series and we all expect a long series, you might want to get ready for Miami losing the next one to. That's I mean, that's Jalen. Brown specifically is what scares me because if that's repeatable like I don't know man I just I put my pants that's it and I feel like we're GONNA lose the rest of. It's how bad this is Chris I think they're undefeated when he scores twenty five points. So if they get an all star caliber, Jalen Brown, you're not GonNa win that game it would appear however Miami still without playing well in that game still had a chance you saw like there was a crazy sequence at the end of the second quarter where Boston is just beating you with hustle and I can't I gotta believe they're expulsion not going to get tricked. into having Bam out of Bio, follow Thais to the three point line taking them out of the pain to me. That was a good adjustment by Brad Stevens in an easy one I don't know how easy was to fix it on the fly but that's sort of what won the game for Boston because they had difficulty in the paint against him out of bio, and they really neutralize that by just simply moving a guy that can't shoot to the outside. There's no reason for Bam to rope. Rome out there. But to me these series ended up being interesting because you get seven games between two good coaches onto smart teams and they continue to make all sorts of adjustments. Boston might have been bothered in some ways by the zone in game two or they just missed a bunch of jumpers that they normally make because the raptors zones. Didn't seem to bother them very much. They were good against the zone in game three. It seemed like baby the strategy change from the standpoint it seemed like, Bam. They were letting Bam kind of do whatever he wanted to do and guarding the three point line because the heat were twelve, forty four like that was probably the worst shooting game in the playoffs three I think they're points. Per Possession was like zero point seven seven against the raptors zone. So they struggle against the zone, and now they're finding ways to break it by having Pam Manmark Tyson Miami's defense. It's it's really difficult to know when they're going Joan because they have they play zone where they have to big is at the top of it sometimes, and it's just it's just weird to see so. It's it's really hard, but you can't have. Bam. Following a guy that's an absolute non factor from the outside, and that's going to be one of the adjustments you see and now I flipped lot back and forth to I thought the NBA was helping Boston having all these days off but it's very clearly going to help Miami I. Think especially with drug, it's not one hundred percent looking healthy. He doesn't look healthy to you now. Not, and I thought he got neutralize in the last game because they're going to be things that teams due to the thing that that Chris is worried about I. Think it's a legitimate thing to worry about, which is the Celtics when Jalen Brown is that you don't really have that you don't have Jalen Brown you might get some big games from guys but drag it isn't that I'm talking about the specifics of being able to go judge an. Thirty points Dragen Chaz been that he's been that. He could get it to you from range. But I'm talking about a guy with efficient shooting at the rim. You're right the drug has been. He's been at that end the roast too that he he's been at the he's been at the bubble where I say he doesn't look healthy. He's got a bulky brace on his leg that sort of popped up. In this series that I, hadn't seen before and it in watching that game and watching shots it didn't look like he had his legs underneath while you're asking a lot from a guy that's thirty four playing high intensity playoff basketball every other night that is a big ask on that older body of its who's been playing out of his mind. So I like the additional rest for him. Especially going with that bulky looking brace on his leg of the game was a bit out of hand but it wasn't even in the game fourth quarter. Yeah. He was not in the game. Miami made a run it guys I really WanNa stop with dunk. God bless a kid he's got stop fouling people. So early in this game puts my aiming such a difficult position because even if he's not hitting his shots, he's tiring guys out like Jalen Brown and you saw Jalen Brown taking advantage of the foul trouble that Duncan Robinson had not having to chase them all around the court and all of a sudden. He can devote most of that energy to the offensive end and you're getting what looks like an all star player a year in year out all certain Jalen Brown so Dunkin Robinson and this is not a referee thing. This is on Dunkin. Robinson he's got us on making these dumb ass fouls. Games because it's really hurting Miami. Watching Dunkin Robinson in these playoffs the way he to be at moments overwhelmed by just a moment makes even what tyler heroes doing more impressive because you see Duncan Robinson, you're like the guy who's in it's like I. Know he played in the playoffs before I think last year but you know he's just seems to be overwhelmed by at times and you don't think tyler heroic early in one series you got that for like two minutes but tyler, it's just been so impressed isn't that justice face It doesn't help the VIBE. It's like just like is often in face though Dan is right it doesn't. It doesn't give off confidence don't get Robinson's face. See is looked sad and early in games he's just going to spell like look I had my arms up it doesn't really convey all that much calm and then Dunkin tries to overcompensate and he starts like saying f words in his mouth just so he like, let's the TV audience know like I'm tough I say what the? He's trying to convince his face. And? He's trying to do agree that's a bad cold I yelled to. Hey. Man That was bad call. You just made on me I do that I'm tough Jaylen Brown had the quote that made me think of Stugatz with I love that I love that. What do you think he means by that Jalen Brown quote this is right up Stugtoz Allie do you know the quote going to mention this is such a it is it's just a STU gods call now even though this guy's a Boston Celtic I. Wish I had someone on my team that gave this quote he said the game doesn't start Wednesday the game starts right now. GOING TO BE SO tired by Wednesday that is that into. Mind Chasing Dunkin Robinson around it's going to be a game the last three days. Mike Mike. Zimmer said La after their game yesterday that we can't start winning until we stop losing. I love that. Wanted me. Kirk cousins what was this is the thing you guys say I'm going to be wrong about Judge Allen how many times have I been writing? How many times I've been wrong about kirk cousins already like what do we know that swings like a pendulum? Does, you're GONNA have to where it's on Kirk cousins. Probably throws up five. The colts are going to be so hard I'm already and two on the air bitten colts. It's bad. Have you guys noticed what's happening in the bubble? It's everyone is racing to attribute their victories. Kobe Bryant, the Miami Heat had a tweet, Mamba Mentality Jason. TATUM shows up to that game wearing Lakers colors and a Kobe Bryant shirt, which had they lost. I'm sure that goes over great in Boston and frank in the locker room last at Mambo mentality. That's Emma mentality we are tripping over each other to credit Kobe Bryant posthumously, four playoff success in Anthony Davis credit not mama mentality but like the specifics of a mama play call. He shouldn't Credit Mason plumlee for falling. Asleep on that defensive assignment. Feel like this is the Lakers and Lebron space, right everyone else just back off and let them have like shouldn't they be the ones dedicating to Kobe I? Mean it seems absolutely one hundred percent. Let's doing this. If if we're celtics I don't like the he'd doing it. Let that be the Lakers for Christ Sake Mamba uniforms, snakeskin on them let them be them. I. Have No problem with the Lakers taken that real estate although Lebron via, we gotta talk about the wardrobe here calling yourself a leader is doing this two nights in a row. Now over your crock over your crotch where it says leader I mean do leaders call themselves leaders baby I wonder if you guys are terrified of the Lakers because I'm saying something that is GonNa be unpopular in Miami but that Lakers team seems to have a super like make you drool make your mouth water path to the title with either Boston or Miami and Denver team that doesn't doesn't play very much defense like it seems a nugget should've won that game last night. Well, maybe down three one in both series, it's a team that doesn't play defense and it's a team that is a less formidable challenge than the clippers would have You know yes. Extensively before that series starts, this doesn't mean that we're right about this. But if I tell you, the Lakers are playing the clippers, who do you think is going to win you're going to have more people choosing the. Clippers right. Then the nuggets yes. No Clippers. No Bucks. You're, right yes. It seems like a you know when easy path terrified of playing that team, it's fun story lines. I don't think it would be very fun losing to that team and specifically I don't think it would be very fun. Not being able to do anything against Lebron, Anthony Davis but imagine beating them. Yeah I. Made it feel like to titles. Really, one thing at a time. I can't really wrap my brain around a series against Lebron in the finals I mean game four already started according to. Which means can Robinson's and foul trouble already. Twelve in the first quarter. I mean. Don't come back. AMAC late Wednesday. down. Double digits all of today and Tuesday, and most of Wednesday but late Wednesday, they're gonNA make. The. Last fifteen minutes. Crazy those last minutes of Wednesday. That was wrong about Charles Johnson. You are bill. That's why. That's why I pressed you on. Life. You know the thing though about. Stop you. Mentioned his backup. No. Bob Nato in their. Bunk great marlins, gadgets, humidity. Charles Johnson y thing that I took him out of my top five was that bill is when I was growing up Benito is my favorite player and he replaced Benito. So like tell his seven-year-old like your favorite players replacement is grading. Now, guy's a bum. I don't want my favorite player being replaced. Childhood Grudge.

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