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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the forward podcast. I'm your host, Lance Armstrong. My guest this week, get ready. I'm just telling you this is an hour and a half plus of full tilt boogie. Charles Barkley is with me shot this one out actually in Scottsdale. Arizona we're Charles spins. A lot of his time. I yeah, I expected him to come unfiltered in on fire. But this was even more than that. So enjoy that before we get to search Arles. A couple of things that while it was out there. I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago on one of the shows that I was I was going to run the half marathon in Phoenix the rock and roll half marathon. And then week before that I'm training for this for the Austin marathon. A tweet to Hammy I've never done this to hamstring. So it's sort of it's sort of gotten to me for the last couple of weeks. It's getting a little better. I think I'll be fine for for the Austin marathon. But definitely had to back off the train and didn't wanna go push it and a half out there in Phoenix. Was in Phoenix for my son, Max's hockey tournament. When when I told people are tell people that my son's now playing hockey, they're just like. Who are you? Are you ready for what like like what what for what they're like do to hockey parent like that's a special? That's a special commitment, whatever they were. Right. Full on commitment. I mean unbelievable. But I'm so proud of him. I mean, all his buddies and all his teammates have been skating their whole lives. He's been skating for three months, and he's just literally every every practice every game. He's improving so it's really cool to see. And and in the school to learn a new sport. Like, I don't know anything about hockey. I don't know about the rules. I I don't know. All's I know is when you watch an NHL game and can never see the puck, but proud of him. So what else we got? We're gonna talk about how about the patriots. Like is it some point? Does it ever in like the right? I mean, obviously they lost the Super Bowl last year. But it's incredible. I mean, Bill Belichick Tom Brady forty one years old. And you gotta you gotta love it. I mean, you don't have to love it. But you gotta respect it and impressive. So look for to the Super Bowl last thing. And I thought about every week, and I'm gonna talk about it again because it's getting in my lane. Now, these scooters, okay? That are everywhere. And I'm seeing them down on the bottom of dried out creek beds. And so I'm running yesterday, and I'm running along one of my favorite trails, and I see a head of me. It was like a little sign in. And I see that. It's like it looks like a speed limit sinuses. Ten and I get up there. And it says this trail is part of a pilot program that we're testing here in Austin scooters and bicycles restricted to ten miles an hour on this trail. All right now, the fact that we're we're lumping bikes scooters is is just I can't take it. I can't I can't deal with this. I put my foot down. I'm going to call the mayor. I'm gonna protest I'm going to pick it. I'm kidding. But. Where does it end? I think we just get rid of you rid of all of them, not the bikes the scooters. And I'm also kind of kidding about that. I just but I I it's my thing right now. It's it's it's it's the it's the, you know. You know, it's a real thorn in my side. Anyhow Charles Barkley in. No need to really introduce Charles Barkley. Everybody knows almost everybody knows his sporting career, which you then transitioned into a very very successful broadcast career his show on TNT. If you guys have seen it. It's if you haven't you should if you have, you know, it's hilarious the dynamic between him and Shaquille O'Neal and Ernie. And the whole crew Kenny is hilarious and having been in that position, you know, with Georgian Gabby during the tour shows, you know, a lot of times that's a bit of an act, you know, so they'll pick a side and they'll go at each other. And you'll swear that they can't stand each other than they get offset and their high five, but Charles does a better than anybody else. He also has the ugliest golf swing in the history of the world. If you don't believe me, go look on YouTube anyways, enjoy Charles Barkley, thanks for tuning in. And and also to Charles thanks for taking the time. Thanks for coming on. Sir. Charles, thanks for doing this problem other things. So you met you made it through we're staying in this. I don't know what it is like maybe like a timeshare place, but there's the the gate guy. And I would just went out for a run on my bum hamstring, which I've screwed up the other day, which is. Bumming me out. But so I come back, and I got tapped on the guys window, and I was like, hey, we have a guest coming at six as it. He'll probably be late. But he's coming at six just heads up sending them up to one where we are. It's like, okay. He's like who is an essay Charles Barkley. The guy's face. He was like. Okay. It was so fun. When I got here. He's like, oh you like real Charles Barkley. I'm like, you think he's going to get your fake Barclay, and he was so excited, but got to tell me we went to the bar. Right. So you've got to tell you. He didn't even realize what what Billy Uaea because he said, I'll send you I'll send him to your call apartment Avila. Must be nice to be rich and successful. You stay Villanova just department. I you sent me a text. He said are you in your villain? I was like what the hell is he talking? I think he's in a row the rich post call it Bilas. So I just wanna share with you and your wife who's around the corner and all the listeners just how hard it was for me to arrange this. Okay. I just wanna read something I want you to listen to this. Okay. This is how you communicate with people who are trying to arrange things. Okay. I said, hey, where are you at next week? When my brother I mean days I said, I'm in Phoenix the fifteenth through the twenty first you say, I'm going to Zona in the morning. I'll be there till Wednesday. I said, let's roll. And let's podcast. You say I'm in. I say podcast Tuesday night. You say, Dun, brother. And I say are you in Scottsdale, and I'm thinking, you do you live in Scottsdale? And you say, no, I'm in Atlanta leaving in the morning, and I said, I mean, do you live in the Scottsdale area when you're there you say I'm on a plane now heading to Zona there until Wednesday morning. So this point I'm banging my head against the wall. And I said, then I say where should we do the podcast? Do you have a house there? No response. So then I say thoughts. You say when and where and I said how about six PM Tuesday, where do you stay there? No response. Then I follow up an hour later. We can do it anywhere. Pretty straightforward. You got a house. There you stay in a hotel or what a know response. And then I say call me when you have a chance no response. And then I say, we're staying at the rocks. Can we do it there? No response. And then I say, yo what's up? I'm bringing my guys out there flying out Austin in the morning. I kind of have to note, let me know, and you go. Yes, sir. We're doing in my brother, and I say where you go. What you said rocks? Correct. And I go is that cool with you. And you say we'll wears that. I mean, this is just the whole time. I have been accused of not a big Tex person, clearly my Texan going to be no more than five words at the most. And that's you asked me if I'm having a heart transplant brain surgery again the scope Omani, I'm gonna ask to. Yes. No. Yes. Or yes. Yes. Yes. I refused to have conversations in tex-. But we're here now. That's right. And I'm looking forward to it. And that's. Hey it worked out. But I told the guys I was like, listen, I think he's going to be here. You don't have to worry about it. When I told you I was going to be here. I'm going to be here. Yeah. I'm excited to do it. I know it's great. Let's talk about I read this story. About long. Yes. This was an amazing. I guess was written by his daughter's daughter. Yes. She called me right out. She called me and says can I read my dad? I'm like, yeah. Yeah. No problem. So just as a little background. I was in Sacramento speaking at Kevin Johnson's event. Who's now the mayor in Sacramento. Yes. And he said, I'm sitting at the bar imagine that. And his agent Gouges system beside me. And after about ten fifteen minutes, we started talking. And he's just what are you doing? I said in town speaking tomorrow night, a one of my teammates. He's to mirror actually, Bob lies lead to and he's nothing. He's well, let's go have better so up going out having dinner. First of all we talked for like an hour to have. We're not going to have dinner. Just a real nice guy, and we swapped numbers. And I didn't think I was ever going to gangs. He lived in Iowa. Right. Yeah. And next thing. I know he's in Atlanta on business. I'm like, yeah. You can come by the studio when okay shocking Kennedy, who's just do man. You wouldn't believe I just met him casually. And then we develop a friendship, you know, we talked probably once every couple of weeks. Got together a couple more times in different cities. And unfortunately, he passed away. He passed away this summer. Well right before summer says right doing NBA playoffs. And it was really weird because I really Dane is really funny. I had never met anybody in his family. So I walk into this wedding is ninety nine point nine percent of. It has been. I don't know what his wife looks like I'll notice kids look like, and I'm the only black person there, and I walk in and the whole room. Oh, Charles Barkley's here. Yeah. She she does a good job laying that out her name her name Shirlow name is Shirley. And she was so sweet just like my dad talked about you all the time. And then everyone's like, oh, you really do know land. I'm like, yeah. We were good friends because like I say, I had never met anybody. I've I've never been our before. And then I spent a couple of hours with the family. They were telling me how he bought all these people over from challen and sponsor them. And he was kind of like a, obviously, the smartest guy in the room. He's a scientist. Yes. Was a cat litter side. Yes. Cat litter. Scientists imagine. Yeah. And he starts telling me about how many people he's bought from China and sponsor, I guess, that's the way have to do it. And they got this really huge really amazing Asian community in our city. And it was just a learned so much about him that day. Yeah. Yeah. I watched the eulogy that you I don't know if you knew you were going to do that. Did not know they asked to do it. But what you to say someone like I can't. It's never easy though. I've been you know, I had to do like the my mentor Moses Malone. I had to do his I had to do his eulogy. That's probably the toughest thing. I've ever did in my life. And it was Dominque, obviously. He's Moses Malone. That's going to be a ton of people that have probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life. And he was amazing. It was it was it was bittersweet because I got a chance to tell her about what he meant to me. But the main thing I got a chance to just kind of say goodbye because federal suck you get through those without you did in his got I could never get through those crying Moses to Moses. I think the only time I ever got choked up was when my mom passed away a couple of years ago, I had to do that. And this is what you're leading. This is I'm glad you brought this. I'm not glad you brought this up because I'm sure it's still. Tough for you to talk about and think about but the part of the store you're leaving out. He's he showed up at your mother's funeral. Yeah. Eight from a small town in Alabama. And I pretty sure he's only agent have been there, and my homeboys like your man who is Asian dude over here. That's my and I didn't know he was coming right. No. He's just showed him. He just shows up, and we look around and like I say, I'm from a small town in Alabama few thousand people and. All the brothers look to be like you'll man whose homeboy over here. And I turned around all the time. I laughed at a tire period because my mom was sick and obviously passed away. But when I turn around and lands there, which took some time and effort him to figure out the whole dynamic because like I say, you you can't get to my hometown. You got to go through Atlanta, and Birmingham and do some driving leads. There's no there's no direct flights to leads. There's no direct lies to leave only Leeds England. That's exactly right. But it when he showed up it meant a great deal to me, and it put a put a stronger bond on our friendship, and then when I found out here counselor and it hurt and hurt quick Hannity, and he didn't tell you. He didn't want to didn't want to like he would kind of guys like I don't you worry about. But his daughter says something so profound. She says I just want to thank you for making my dad laugh to flash few months of his life. He says we got together and watch you guys act of food during the play offs doing the regular season. And obviously, you know, you have a situation like that is not pleasant or not fun. But to give somebody joy, that's why tell people sports are important supports a really important because if if if you got laid off from job you struggling on a relationship, you got issues what your kids you can't pay your bills if the Pittsburgh Steelers doing well it little Pittsburgh up. If like last year when the eagles won you might have crap going on. But when eagles will win in the Super Bowl, it was really cool. I pay attention last year because I was watching a Stanley club fan and all those people who have been cheering for the Washington Capitals. All those years and got heartbroken like the Bronco. Joy. You saw it in a vest. Can also Massport saw important. It takes it takes you away from reality. Yeah, I'm a Cowboys fan. So I can relate to the pain. Well, but you've had some good ones too. Now twenty five years ago. It was a long time. Any three years is have been twenty three years the Super Bowl. But do you notice some teams the Dallas Cowboys? It was. That's the first time affiliate had one ever. And like sixty year. I know, but that's feeling. We're talking about the star in helmet man, who right, but you know, manage it. But that's why I tell people's ports are important are the most important thing in the world. No, right. But they are very important yet. What is it like growing up, by the way? I have. No, what leads Alabama's somewhere outside of Birmingham. So. What is that? Like, how many people there thousand how many people in your senior class one hundred ten to fifteen okay? In one cool thing about my hometown. Is you go K to twelve together? Right. So it's so small like the people at the person, I want the first grade with a graduate from high school with so, you know, everybody. Yeah. So like when I go back to lease. Now, I see all the kids. And then like, you know, my dad, I'm like, well, she dad, oh, I do know your dad, like I say, you know, a lot of people want to go to different schools, people come and go. But when you so K through twelve with somebody is, you know, everything about them pretty much. Yeah. You do. And then nobody moves. Nobody move. Yeah. Negative. I agree. Yeah. Because one of the things that I've tried to do not bragging on myself. I've given you go ahead. I've given a couple of million dollars to my high school so poor kids could go to college. If they should definitely tell them if they want to stay in lease which I don't mean that in a negative way out of wanting to stay in Leeds. I mean, I want them to grow up and be Charles Barkley last Armstrong, President Clinton's from a small town smaller than lease Hope, Arkansas. But you don't know what you can accomplish. Until you put yourself in the situation where you can be successful. And as I was reading your story of growing up in Leeds. I think back up I think people assume you're six six now, you are who you are hall of Famer, etc. People just assume that when you were in the second grade, you were tall and the fifth grade you were tall. And when you were in the ninth grade you were. Is it true that as a junior in high school, you were five foot ten two hundred and twenty pounds? Because you know, it came out later how? Who is this kid from Alabama who nobody recruited Alabama Auburn UAB because I went from five ten to six five in one year right over the summer. I read over the smoke, and by the way that would hurt, you know, I never felt that type of pain though, people asked to have asked me that before I would think, but let me tell you something though. It was a shock to everybody system. It was a shock to everybody everybody system, and it goes to show you though basketball. It was it changed my life because at that point. I wouldn't think about NBA. I never thought I was good enough to plan to NBA. Hang on is junior five ten two hundred twenty pounds. You didn't even make the team. No. I was a backup fat point guard at that point. But when I got to six five and a half all here, bro. Glue, watch out mother. Yes. I would it was so and I played like everybody who had made not really made fun with your bench warm or you're not good enough to make the team. I was wreaking havoc. Go near asked to. You know, because you know, 'cause 'cause in my hometown that's one thing about being for small towns pool is a big deal, football and basketball a big deal in my hometown. And when I finally got my chance to shine. I was ready for it. So I didn't I never thought about this. But what what do you do? Being from Alabama, but having gone to Auburn, and we know what? Yeah. The iron war, whatever the hell they go bowl. What do you do when when Alabama's in national championship versus Clemson? What do you what do you do? Do you? Do you cheer for? Clemson you cheer for nobody. Or do you cheer for Alabama would us? Great question as I've grown up in matures probably twenty years ago would have rooted for Clemson. But now as a grown man, you don't root against anybody. Just goes arch rival, you don't you don't want anybody to lose that makes you a loser. Or a hater like I want you to lose because we're not in a good. You know, like when I grow up, I'm like I root for Auburn and antibiotic players Alabama nam like, Amen, Nick, savings greatest college football coach ever. I'm not going root against somebody. Who's good is sports fans going to be obnoxious and a pain in the ass. Of course, they are. But I I don't root against like this weekend. When I was watching the Cowboys. I I was just watching the game. When the patriots patriots plan to charge us. I just want to see a good game. I don't really betting on these games. Of course. That's all football is good for bed now. But let me tell you this. I don't root against other professional athletes because. I feel like we had a fraternity. I know what they've been through. They know what I've been through good and bad. So I don't root that just a rule. I have I don't root against other professional teams. But also like I said, I'm not gonna root against Alabama. Auburn wasn't any good at this point in your life. You're not. Yes. Gotta grow up. Yeah. Yeah. I know I'm working on how Morgan on. This is a fluid situation. You've been you've been rooting. I just want to say this. I want to say something seriously. And they'll say something quite funny. But you've been a great supporter, and friend and ally of mine, so I appreciate that norm from from all over the years. But but when it was tough and the best one you find out shit. I talk about it every week this show is shows called the forward. Like how you how you move forward in your life. When when when you plenty of shape when you fuck up man, you found out who's real. And who's not like when I had to spit Esa debt, we're going to get to. I'm going to read you. I'm gonna read the audience of quote that you talk about all the friends to like turtle on you. When I got to DUI like I had my friends I was in jail for the weekend says I want you guys to be my ears. My eyes ears every as bad about me. Who kisses my every week and say come on my radio show, come on my TV show, you write it? Right. The name down. So when I got out we went out drinking. She'll should be everybody who saves so bad about me. Now guys called me. I tell them to go fuck himself. That's you like we should fire him. He's a he's an asshole. He's a jerk. I wrote down every person who says something bad about me. And then when they call because like I say, I understand part of our job is to deal with the media. They don't pay all that money just to play basketball. That's the one thing that annoys me about today's game. Got like, I don't talk on. I talked to the president one day a week or I talked to him earlier in the week at the end of the week and might do part of your job. They're not paying you all that money that goes with it. They got a job to do you smoke to help everybody? This little pot of Gumbo. I don't know if you remember this. But I don't remember if it was a month or two months or three months, or however, many months it was after my world blew up, but we had the Manny TAOs situation. And I mean, I was falling it 'cause I'm sports fan. I'm read it in and out of the blue Bing techs Charles Barkley. Open it up. It says brother. Thank God for Manny tail because it was such a story that, you know, the the ideas that makes the old story go away does to a certain degree because it's my story. It's no good. But that's the thing though, why you have to figure out who's in your campaign that. Yeah. Well because. Your story is yours and your family and friends play the public. They're going to turn the channel. They're going to go to the next movie to the next article the next story and forget about you. But you still in it. I remember when I was sitting in jail cell. When I got my DUI. And I was there. I was there for the weekend. By the way, they're very tough on. Why? It's like playing just toughest place in the country. No question. But I was sitting there thinking like man, I'm really going to find out who my true friends are your when things go bad. And my friends will great. So I I got techs phone calls from guys in the media. Like, you know, you're screwed up. I'm not going to say you should be going to get. I guys who I thought were friends of mine. I did that radio shows all the time. Like, oh, he's gotta get fired. You know, he he's he's an asshole, blah, blah, blah. And I wrote down everybody's name. I said, well, you really felt like that the whole town. You can't get mad at me because I did something made a mistake and did something stupid. Like, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like. What always tell tiger? If I could talk to him. We're going to get to tiger. Like, these people who kick kick in you as they always wanted to kick your ass. You just didn't give them an opportunity, and I hope now that he's back toward the top those same people who've been kicking your ass kicking your kiss. Now, you have to learn because I'll tell all these young guys in the NBA today don't confuse making people money you make in money as your friends, those are two different things Chucky. I mean, I yeah. When you're when you're there, and you're the guy money's flowing and the parties are flowing and everybody women is flown and the PJ's are flying. It's I mean, everybody's your friend. And so I do I know exactly we talk about that all the time on this show because and it's what I chose to do. And the loyal listener will know this what I chose to do. Do is actually embrace that. And learn from that. And know what it's like, yes, it sucks to lose friends into have people turn on net sucks that if that doesn't hurt your feelings, you're not a human being agree, but the silver lining in that is when you have people who just appear say, hey, man. I haven't talked to you in a couple of years, but I just want you to know, I support you and how you doing. And I'm I'm here. Thank you don't won't. Don't fucking kick me when I'm down. You can say, hey, you know, Charles, Lance, you Iran did something wrong. But don't fuck and kick me that's shit about as me like I'm sitting in a jail cell. I'll leave more footprints on my neck like I hate. I'm in jail. I know fucked up. Hey. If you true, I ain't really messed up. Okay. Now. Let's keep it let now what are we going to do to make it better? But you got these certain people out there like I'm just going to jump on your neck because I can because I'm jealousy. You I never liked your personality. That's what drives me crazy, but you use survived at your look at that. Is you you know, we all know. I mean, that's a big mistake. A lot of people have made that mistake some people, you know, sometimes, you know, thank God. Nobody got yourself or nobody else. But you don't ever wanna make that mistake? Again, you're back. You're you're great at what you do. And you're and I didn't follow that story that closely. But I believe knowing you that you that you were genuinely remorseful more question. And so. Let's move forward. And that's what you know. That's kind of what it's all about. Speaking of forward, which I don't think we can ever move forward from the back up. This scarring that occurs to anybody who watches you swing a golf club. It is. No, you can't unseeded this and it for anybody listening or watching. I'm just telling you just go to YouTube or whatever in type in Charles Barkley Gulf swing? It is Chuck I love you. But this is the most fucking embarrassing thing. I have ever what why do you stop as mental? No, I've heard I've heard I don't know if it's true that on the range, you don't stop. There's no pressure on a range with with the pressure at a charity golf tournament with no money on the line. Mentally, what the same reason? St. Sasken throw the ball to seco- bait. Ball first base Mackey Sasser control the ball back to the pitcher. Like is not that. He's saying he's not scientists of the reason. Ian Baker Fritz quick Gulf. He hit the fairway hit a hundred dollars per. I think he hit the maintenance shed. Yeah. When like you're not thinking about it. When it happens on a guaranteed got one and British Open. He's not standing on the balls that. I'm gonna hit this ball in the maintenance shed. And then something is happening. Does disconnect does a disconnect in there? Mentally, I I can I hear you. I just don't understand. You are an athlete that his the hand eye coordination. All it is a round lucky because you never lost it. Mentally like sports are so mental. Like like, I say, it is never have affected upon me in any other thing. But I've seen it happen to other jobs, and unfortunately, and I don't even look at it. Unfortunately, it's a man as long as I can drink. Somebody's smokes some cigars and get some peace and quiet. I'm all right with the golf thing. Like, what are like the play great Gulf or better go, of course, I would. But it's not have it has nothing to do with my livelihood. I feel bad for guys who their goal in life to play on a PGA tour and they're not good enough. They developed a year ups and things like that. Like for me. If I go out and suck at golf. I'm a drink. Plenty of beer, I'm gonna smoke my two cigars per nine. And then we'll get back to reality gamble on the golf course not not as much as I used to when I was what was what was the game. What was because we gamble on the golf course. Yeah. The time in the day. What was the game? What game to play on the Gulf wars? I mean in terms of game and both sides played for is sh. Probably three to five thousand dollars per whole. No, no, no sort of like a stroke play match play. Call it wolf. No. We bet on everything. Side action with action birdie MAC bird is of course. Yeah. You gotta reward about if a making a bird hammers. Yes, we play all options. Well, listen one thing about golf. It's funny. You gotta budget has bins who still think the Charles Barkley guys like that by name is on the Charles Barkley. There's no reason I should be playing golf for money. But oughta guys because there'd be greatest wars you to have an ego. To be good at golf, look good at sports. You have to have an ego. And unfortunately, sometime guys bet what the ego instead of the golf class when I do, and I I never like in the day. If I if I knew that I had to do something in a bike race. It just had to happen in order for me or us to win. It would happen. I promise you in at this point at forty seven forty eight years old, no matter what money gets up there too. I don't stand over a stand over the ball. Whether it's a teacher or a chip or put in have the same focus like I'm kind of like, I don't really care which is stupid. Actually now that I hear myself say that I think it's probably probably diffuse the situation more than anything. Because I mean because you want to win. I'd be people. Don't bet people. Don't bet the money's irrelevant. He just want to win. I mean because it's not like you bet enough money to change your livelihood. I mean, it's kinda of like going to the casino to be honest with you like which I don't do don't do blackjack or let I'm not going to win or lose enough money would change. My life says this about the competition. Hang on Charles on the golf course your man manning, man or man to man, and you got handicaps. And so it's it is supposed to be fair. It is never fair in Las Vegas or Atlantic City or Tahoe. Or whatever it ain't fair you build all these buildings that shine and provide all these amenities for free and fly fucking people all around because it's even is not even is not unfair. You listen. It's just like nobody wins not all the time. You're going to win. Let me just justify justify my guy. Vegas says on me one time. I hope I got here goes, no, he told me he says, he says, you know, this business right understand. What's your game plan? He says you're going to win sometime and we're going to win some time. My job is to get you here as much as possible because we are there is we're going to win more than you are. I know that going in the thing I got to be smart about is. I can't win enough money for a member changed my life. But I don't gamble like I used to because first of all I'm not gonna lose enough to change my life. But you go to the mental depression when you lose it's a pump where you just like can't believe stupid. I am such wanna do that. In more. I don't wanna do that because code Dan, you depress for like a week. What would you want to read one time? You lost? Two million bucks or summer million voters was it was being number one. I would be curled up in a fetal position, I've won a million bucks. Now, some at the time you lost. No. I'm saying. Got to take it in context. I've won a million bucks. Probably eight times. Wow. But I've lost a million bucks. Probably twenty two times. Okay. So you're down fourteen. Yeah. What my point hosmer like does is just like the worst weekends were what you chase an all weekend. But what when I quit gambling for a couple of years. Totally quits known coal code, not even a little football action on okay because. When you lose that type of money, you just a lot of money. You can't be an idiot. But I quit for two years. And I would tell them boy doesn't man I really miss gambling, and my friends have they always be honest with me. They're like do gab is not your problem in idiot is your problem? And I said well explained to me like Charles we have been in Vegas hundreds of times he'd been up three hundred four hundred six hundred seven hundred thousand dollars for a night. And we're like, let's quit. And you says not let's get it to a million. Okay. And we're talking about four to fifty trips I've been up to three four five hundred thousand dollars, and I'm like I got to get to that. Imaginary? Megan, then I will lose all my profit. Then lose that other million credit. I have so a few years ago. I started thinking like, okay, man, you got to quit. I wanna hear what telling me Meister they do. Let's go to Vegas as win some money. Let's lose some money. Best don't lose a lot of money, and it'll be a fun weekend. So I saw I saw me think about so now when I go to Vegas take a couple of hundred thousand dollars. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna win a couple of hundred thousand lose a couple of hundred thousand now that a lot of you're gonna go home with the same amount of money. No. But I'm saying though. Is better than lose a couple of million one weekend. I listen, I listen, I don't want to sound like an asshole here. But I'm not gonna be mad about losing two hundred thousand dollars. Now. That's how that was an asshole comment. No, no. But it's the truth. I'm just talking with. You know, will you lose a million dollars? That's a lot of money number one. But also you've got depression. Would I'm not insured the president. I want to sound like I'm a psychiatrist, but you just like your tail between the legs, and you just you would if you lose a couple hundred thousand year like, okay, I got my ass kick. We're good. We came again, we have some fun. And again, not that I gamble. But I, but I did this is a tiger story that we can talk about tiger. 'cause I wanna talk about him because we share a friendship with him or share a previous relationship. It's been interesting. But there was a time where we're, and I don't I mean, we this has been well documented, so I don't think I'm violating any trust here. But I'm going to get to the point where I think this is the thing that hooks people where where he he he called me once he says, I just staged the biggest comeback since Lance Armstrong. And I'm like, oh, no what. And so he was and I gave them on how the fucking game works. I don't know. What happens? I don't know the room that you're in or so he was down. I don't know seven eight hundred thousand bucks in rallies back and gets back to even and then makes a million, and so that's the comeback Kumba. But that's that's the thing to me. If when you start pulling that off, then you're like, oh, I got this shit and like I can get down and come back. I think my best story. I was down because I normally get a million dollars credit. I was down to my last fifty thousand dollars. So we go out and there being about four my boys. We sit out about when you hang on. When you said, I just wanna I didn't wanna frame this. I wanna I want to put myself in there when you say your boys. Are you talking about guys you grew up with guys you hang out with now with now this good friend? Okay. Yes. So we there one night. I think a sit down about six o'clock, and I was down. I think about eight hundred thousand. So I get my last two hundred thousand. And so we're playing like okay as a bad weekend. Let's just I'm not going to be in a Madame down eight hundred I'm going to be in a mad. If I lose the whole million. We sit down about six o'clock, we're gonna lose some money, whatever they were going to go to dinner. So we still a gambling. I win like three hundred thousand. I'm like, oh, okay. Down five hundred. Yeah. And I says, well, you think they're like. What did you think? So let me try to get a little bit more. So I lose a couple of hundred thousand back and they're like. Well, you going around the references. I mean, I'm all chase now. Because like I said, I'm back. I'm still up one hundred I say this I ain't gonna be in a matter. So the next thing I know is I'm back at a half, a mayor, and we have a serious conversation. Like now is like ten o'clock at night. Everybody's hungry. Everybody's hungry. Now. So I sent the butlers. Go get some water burger. We all water burger the bullet bringers water, but we're sitting at the table like five morons. I'm not a person gambling. So now, it's like one in the morning. The planes believe it seven, and it just point. I'm a backup about seven fifty two like yeoman down seven fifty. No, I'm on on myself fifty. I'm only down to fifty now. Right. And I'm like, okay. I think it will be mad if I lose to fifty so, but let me chase just a little bit more next thing. I know I win the whole million back and walk out with two fifty and cash. So that's what gets the. But that's what gets you. And you just chase all the time. So I went from being down nine hundred and fifty thousand to win in a whole million back and then walking out onto fifty and cash, and it's like it gets you. But I don't do that anymore. Yeah. I would drive me. I I've been nervous wreck. I would never do that. Let's talk about tiger. Because I wanted to I wanna talk about him and. We were this was all I mean, everybody knows this story, and he sort of and I root for tiger. Oh, I think a route photographer. I mean, I think he's Saint rita's golfer ever live. There's no doubt. No disrespect to Jack. Nick this. I think this generation what tiger was competing against a great players coming from overseas. I think he's a greatest ploy. I'll watch him in the on television. Yep. Yeah. You think at one another major? That's a good question. I don't know. I think because he created a generation of monsters. I say all I mean, he's got Jordan Justin, Dustin Brooks in all those guys grew up and play golf at a younger age got more so much talent because a integrate athletes great. I mean, they he's the first half of them, slam, slam dunk, a basketball workout who made it a golfing athletic sport. Yeah. I mean, because I I know some of the older guy like we never even thought about working out back in the day. Ben Crenshaw down there walking the fairways having a pack of cigarettes. But now, but he tired of just create a generation of monster. He did that. And he that previous generation he the fear that he instilled in them was was was was crippling. And these guys they roll up on Sunday. He can wear red shirt red pants redhead, read, whatever they're like. Let's go, but the. But those guys he get I was talking to Peter Costa's one time him, and Gary mccarter a neighbor of mine we're talking about tiger. And we're talking about in near day like a young kid will come out to twenty one twenty two. He's like I'm just going to try to learn a tool for the next few years. I'm gonna saw winning when I'm thirty. He's like tiger tunes. The whole dynamic when they come out to twenty one twenty two to like, hey, I'm one of the best in the world. I can beat anybody. That's probably the thing that in working out probably two biggest things he bought it again. Make like a gay repeated with telling me no young kid thought ticket win before they were thirty back in the day now, and they come out to twenty one twenty two they think they're the best player in the world. So you you haven't talked to him. Have you talked to have not talked to him. He I haven't either not not that I've reach out or changed all Jim methods of communication, and it was the weirdest thing because I've had weird thousand people ask me like what happened like, I don't think. Yeah. I don't think Jordan's talk. I just don't know. I don't know. What happened depends way. It's it's up to him. No question. It's not like, hey, yo, why are you not talking to us in a thought in the beginning? He was going to get back with his wife, which I understood that so narrow, but then after that, I was like everybody that's like you'll man you hung out with this dude for ten years and went to his wedding with on vacations, and he played golf met in Vegas. All the time. I'm like, yeah. What happened? I says. I don't know what happened. Listen dig-, or you know, I we. I mean, look he he's an odd guy, but you know lens, and I'm not I'm not trying to be negative. But one thing that Tigers could always count on us. You'll may we got your back. Groom outta what my biggest concern with all this shit that he's been through the last X amount of us like human who's around. You is like got your back. No matter what. And I'm not talking about people who work for you, those are different atoms. Like who? Are you boys is your man, whatever happened happened? He didn't. He didn't grow up, but he grew up singularly. He he he was he was Todd marina vich that will successful. But the thing is like, I don't judge like, I don't judge my friends like we first of all we've all fucked up. I've never fucked. We all fund up an like you look in the mirror, and yeah. Fucked up. But I can't become stagnant. The dishes. Don't stop this this. That's one thing about this. This limelight. This fame thing it does not stop. When you fuck up. And I had to learn it many times everybody has to learn it. But the one thing you can never do. Is like alienate your friends like couldn't remember say? You'll Ma whatever happened happened. Now, let's go forward. And that's probably the most disappointing thing with the whole tiger scenario like. I'll tell you to give a perfect story. So that happened. And I'm not breaking in the secrets. But this is what happened that night. So I call I got a call from a friend of mine in entertainment business. And he says you'll man boys in trouble. I said what's going on? He's got this big article coming out they got this girl Austrailia with tiger. And she's on the record, blah, blah, blah. So I call tag, this is the Thursday night. I'm on TV tonight as you'll my. I don't ever get involved in your personal business. You know that because I have a strict rules on people purchase. I never stick my nose in business. But I says friend of mine in the business wanted me get your heads. He's. Yeah. We just got a call from the Enquirer, and we we talking about it. Now, I said yo may good luck. So the next day. Is out the pains given. So I'm driving Alabama first thing in the morning. And it comes go breaking news. Tiger Woods evolve. In a car accident? I'm like, oh my God. I hope he's all right, blah, blah, blah. I don't even know all the other details anything, so I'll call and I'm talking to Asia. Oh, man. What happened? He says he says he was in an accident. He's gonna be alright, blah, blah, blah. And I says what happened? He says. Well, it's going to be some bad stuff coming out in the last thing. I told us agent us as Steiner. It's all right to say, you're wrong. Don't try to artist thing, right? The I think the biggest problem with celebrities is they afraid to say those magical words, I was wrong. This is my fault. They got all these idiots around them. Like, hey, let's try to cover this like this. Let's try to cover this like this like, nah, just looking as a, hey, you know, what this is on me. That's like the night. I got a DUI like when I went back to work out. I got suspended. I looked at Cameron this charge guy. So my says, hey, this is owned me. Not my friends, not the bartender. This is a hundred percent on me. I apologize. I'm glad nobody got hurt. And I got so many people says man, that's one of the reason we love you. You didn't try to say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you like your fucked up. But did you really promise the top that you would tattoo his name on your ass? If he he'd let you go. You know, Lance day is a couple of things that bother me about that night. I've never talked because the by the way, that's a that's a pretty classic line the bad situation. But. That always bothered me about that night. Number one. I think I was targeted. In. So because I have a big New Year's Eve party every year. And I remember we were all going to go back to my house and drink because it because it was relatively early that night that it was New Year's Eve. So we're four cars of the line. I don't wanna miss to other celebrities because that's their own business. So this so we all slow road. Stop sign. And I'm the fourth car. When I slow road stops on three cop cars come out of fucking nowhere. And I'm like oh shit. I've been set up. And I said, okay. So I play it off they arrest me. So so then I'm signing autographs. I'm taking pictures, and I started joking around and shit. And I say stupid stuff because I'm thinking like, oh, my friends. I mean, I'm already arrested ain't not have. So I started joking around. And my bodyguard telling me don't you ever? Fuck and joke with the cops. He's a cop. The cops are taking pictures signing autographs and taking pictures, then I know what you're thinking we've got Greenland Greenland, and so I just let my guard down. And like I say my bodyguard who's been covered thirty years James Heywood in Houston, Texas and his wife beneath who's been a Cup of thirty years. He always tells me he says toes, all these cops don't like you. So I can't believe he's I can't believe you with that stupid to let your guard down just due to ask you to do when they when they start asking for autographs and pitches, don't fucking smile and joke around and I learned a very valuable lesson that night. I did. Yeah. No. But I, but I know what you were thinking. It's like, whoa. I mean. Self fees in autograph with his green. Let me go. Like, I couldn't have been that drunk. They let me go. They're like, hey, you're good to go. Now. You know what? I am booked me. And did everything signed from take pitches. They're like you're good to go now. And I says. Oh, do I have to get the tattoo. You're thinking y'all get attached to you know, what I learned about will lesson. Just now I realized that at at five ten and one hundred and seventy five pounds and you being six six into something. If you needed we'll leave it at that. I'm not going to I'm going to start it with a two. If you need a bodyguard that I must need like a fucking army. I think I think I'm the way things have changed. Now. I don't think in a celebrity can go out by itself in more for the simple fact, number one people always wanna fight. Always wanna fuck which there's one gal night like when? And I'm pretty sure it happened to you like you can go out and everybody in the bar like Otis Lance Armstrong. That's cool. That's cool is one. But there's I we always call it the one there's one guy who stands close enough to say, oh, Charles Barclay was an asshole Lance Armstrong's an asshole, and they're close enough just to hear like everybody else in the bar got a life of their own. They don't give a shit that Lance Armstrong. Charles Barkley was in the bar. They there to have fun identified drink, but there's one bucking gap night, Lance who's gonna fuck what you and I I laugh about it. Now, we call. Oh. 'cause like my friends who say, oh, I hear the one. Boy, there's going to be one guy. I who gonna mess with you. And they only want to sue you. I mean, they're gonna see you. I mean because you can't hit them. But but first of all they're not gonna fight you. But they just want you to hit them or something. Right. So. Sits with so many endless ways, we can take this conversation. When I read I'd forgotten that you went to Auburn. So I just want to go back to Auburn for a second because I want I want to tell you story. So and I'm reading your history at coming from leads and then go into Auburn. And then and then look at the years that you were and I was like that was probably around the time that Bo Jackson was there. Well, but was in causal me. Let's get that. Correct. So I was that I hang on. This is my podcast. So I said I sent bow attacks. I said do you have a second. I have a question he says, call me. And so I said, listen, I got Charles on the podcast. And I said in just learned I- figuring out like you guys were at Auburn together. I was like you gotta have some shit on him. And he said, you know, you know, Bowe ex and talks so funny. He's like he says he considers himself number one. And I said, what do you mean? He says, Lance. He believes that he is the number one athlete that ever went to Auburn. And I am number two. And Cam Newton and Frank Thomas confided out for number three. Every time I see Jackson and these. But by the way, tell him I love him. Every time. I see Bo Jackson. We call each other number two. Liam. When we talk to each other. We hate number too. How's how's everything going? He's. Yeah. Everything's good. He's numb to how's your family? Oh, everything's good. On my end. Like, it was such an honor and privilege to watch. Bo Jackson slate east Jin first of all I met Bowen highschool. My football team was really good. I didn't play football my high school team. So we play bows team. And then we do weirdest thing about bowl both the same size in high school as he was in college. Like, he was like a like he was a man among boys and to watch him run through our high school team being a year later, I go to Auburn Auburn that year he came over the next year, and it was on on a privilege to to to watch him in college and even to this day as a great friend. But we have this little thing going we call each other number two. Yeah. He he truly he said you believe that you really are number one. And he believes he's number. Well, no, fence guy's a fucking monster. But then at the end of the call he's like I have to hang up because I'm pulling up to the supermarket, and I was like, okay. No problem. Thanks. He's like I indeed keeps going because like I have to go inside and in by some cactus. Like what the fuck? Are you talking? You're in Chicago. It's snowing your. Shooting. What kind of Honey do is that like go by cactus and bring them home? He's probably going to shoot at them. You know, boas. One is a big bone. Yes. Or bo. Robinhood. So there's probably no doubt about mind. If you go to his house right now, he's got those cactus lined up. But he's like he had. A so one time he had like this big hole. Dear body. Well, he just shot at it. He was a great. I guess you. I don't even know if you call a marksman, but there's no doubt in my mind. If he got those cactus, he probably got him on some type of lives and he just shooting at him. Okay. Well, that's that's I don't know what that's about. I don't know what that's about. It all him. It karma Lonard only two black people. I know hunt all the time. Yeah. He does. What did you think when it was so funny, and I and we have similar stories. Yours is a much bigger story than mine on this. But what what did they tell you? Maybe you didn't even know. But when Naro's Barclay came out do they guy call you before? I yo we're gonna name our. So all of a sudden, you're listening to your listen to the radio and the guy goes back like man gnarled sparkling, everybody thought, it was my band. What's was funny about it? Everybody thought it was my band. I had nothing to I've never met ceelo in a guys. But everybody thought like you'll mend you gotta ban them. Like, what are you talking about like gnaws Barkley, a huge? No. And they had like a bunch of hits. But no, I had nothing to do it. Everybody's like that's your ban. I'm like, no. That's not my man. I had a similar thing happened. Of course, Nawroz Barkley was like topping the charts and selling zillions or another beer, do Dave what kind of beer is. It always go. Oh, lord. He's he's going to leave. Where are you going? Oh my goodness. This is this is the first this is actually a I this is the first folks, we've never had a guest, actually. This. I did Joe Rogan years ago, and he likes to go long, and like I was drinking too much water. And I was like I gotta go to the bathroom. I was like what should we should we cut? Should we like? Hit pause or you're going to edit this. He's like, no just get up and go sit there and talk to these people. So this is the first, but you know, what they get old the bladder gets small. So I have you have gnarled Barclay, which was topped all the charts and sold zillions of records. I too have a similar situation a band, and this is a band from my hometown of Austin, Texas, and it's kind of a reggae rock band called Lance herb's strong. This is a true story. Lance herb's strong, and and I've fancied myself a really crappy novice jump player. So I play with him. Sometimes a real. Yeah. You in a good. No. I mean, I can play like the basic. Yeah. No, yeah. No. I just do the basic four on the floor and get out there. And the the funny twenty story is they thought I was going to get pissed about it and make them change name. So they had a backup name. Van in Halen. Oh, lord. Which is actually funny about that. The. Celebrities hate people using their name or making fun of. Yeah. But I think that's hilarious. I know, but but listen at the height of your career at the height of my career. We'd we'd a sick. Every lawyer we knew on them. But that never bothered me. I got a call from his father me, but it wouldn't bother me. Now, I got a call from his L celebrity. I want to mention his name. Who was fierce at Frank Kelly Endo impersonating us, right? And I had never seen that until today. So these guys my guys you see you're not I said how I'd never seen him sitting up here. Impersonating charles. And then they were like tapping on the show like dude, you were kind of busy at the time. That's true. So there's other celebrity calls me my agencies. Hey, this guy wants to talk to you, Mike. Of course, I can talk to him. So yes, a how you doing? Yes. Mr barclay. I just wanted to tell you a, blah, blah, blah, and we need to put an end to this Frank Kelly Endo thing, I'm like, what do you mean? He's impersonating us. First of all, I think is impersonations of not very good. I'm like you need to take. And then it first of all I noted guy that well, but I'm like you need to take a chill pill. Brother, like, first of all anybody who gets you free publicity is great for your brand. I think he does a fantastic job YouTube him doing you sitting there with with with Ernie and Kenny, and and you know, you song about Kim Jong and bomb this little man. And where where in platform shoes? I mean, it is hilarious. Yeah. But the other celebrity call your Bank and get your records. I'll send them to a million people to he's really good. I've seen him in concert before he's really good. But. I think the one thing that separates me. I've never taken this stuff that Syrian like I played basketball. And I said as an I'm not trying to be humble, I love what I did say, it was a greatest thing ever. But unless you like a teacher father and policemen. Doctor lawyer somebody like that like due to dribble a basketball don't take yourself so serious, which brings up this point, which we should have said, I should have saved it. But I told you before we hit record that I was going to bring a basketball and have a dribbling contest. And you looked at me like I was you ever touched the ball before. Okay. You dribble. A ball. Are you asking me? First of all like kind of questions that to me. Good point. Like you don't play. I understand dribble a basketball. So you're not by yourself stand. When you do these things then you do like the stupid stunts on the side to promote them. So I thought it'd be funny if you dribble the basketball, and you looked at me like. I quit. It'd be like this really nerdy whiteboard. Dribbling. It'd be embarrassed. He wanted to greatest athletes of all time you'd be doing like some leg. We'll we'll see. Did you see Conor McGregor trying to throw a football? No, no. It was like a girl was throwing no disrespect. But he threw it like a girl. And this guy wanted toughest guys. And he threw it. And did you see I think I saw Julio Jones trying to kick a soccer ball like some of the greatest shocks in the world have zero skills, though, the way around. Well, I'm I'm actually glad now that I couldn't find. All right. I thought about it too late to bring a basketball fucking hilarious. But you say you didn't take it serious. I dunno. I hang on. Are you didn't take it? You you had fun doing it. But this is important and it's important to me. I want to read you something because I think it's to your point. Right. I gotta find it is about the. It's about the spitting incident, which we touched on earlier. It was about how serious you took the game. And how I was playing angry. Yeah. So I was really mad. So my senior in high school, Fremont Spanish. That doesn't surprise me. First of all you because I should have been taken Spanish. So I didn't get to March. But I still meeting it to March. I didn't get to March. I didn't I didn't graduate. You mean? Okay. He didn't go to the. Yeah. But what I did was I stood next door the baseball stadium and crap like two hours. And my dad who we weren't close. Because he left you guys early flew in from California. Another thing we have in common. And he read me to ride at about. What a loser was. Wait. He hasn't been there for for seventeen or you don't you don't get to hell in and say that you right? And I was already Dow, but he came off from California and. He didn't have any money, but he spent the money to come see me, Greg with you're not even graduate. And when I was sitting there crying for two hours. I was so angry at my dad, and I was so angry. It is later named MS Gomez, my Spanish teacher. And every time touched a basketball. I wanted to stick it up my dad's ass, I stick it to MS Gomez. And to every kid who may have of me because I didn't graduate like, I was a total jerk. Probably. But I just like I'm going to get everyone of you assholes back, and I'm going to be successful. And I'm gonna stick to every single one zero. And I play with a chip on my shoulder there. Everything came to a like, I tell people if you play little chip of you to the edge. It's just a matter of time for fall off the cliff, but Charles this this is why. And I just found the quote, this is why it's important to me because I played my whole career with a chip. I mean when I say career I mean from similar situation dad lease. It's you know, maybe I shouldn't have been like, okay. Fuck you world, watch this. But I did that's the way I thought. And so this is as I read and I'm going to read this quote because. It hit me hard. You says. Upon retirement Barkley was later quoted as stating in regard to his career. And I quote, I was fairly controversial. I guess, but I regret only one thing the spitting incident. But you know, what it taught me a valuable lesson? It taught me that. I was getting way too intense during the game it let me know that I wanted to win way to bed. I had to calm down. I wanted to win at all costs instead of playing the game the right way and respecting the game. I only thought about winning. I mean. If I could make a statement about my life, and my career that would be the statement. But the thing is like I wasn't doing it. Just for the game. I was doing it to stick it to people who were so your list your list, but but it gets you in the long run, and you don't enjoy buddy. Trust me. Yeah. You don't enjoy your successes because like dude I made it out of the projects went to college for three years became a millionaire at twenty one twenty two. I'm in the NBA making millions of freaking dollars. And I'm sitting that word about my dad. Miss gomez. Asshole that I went to high school with who may cause outed March. Like, it's still a satellite. Wow. Man. You're doing good. You've been three years of college. You go to the NBA you multimillionaire, you plan with Dr J Moses, Andrew Tony Bobby Jones, and you're traveling the country. Mike is taking you around the world during the summer like the parallels here or I'd never even really thought about it. But the parallels are infinite, but then when I will dad night when I was sitting in a hotel room because I was suspended for a game. And I was sitting in a so I'm listening to the came on the radio as a matter of fact. Which nobody does anymore because they didn't have it on TV at the time. That's how you know. And I'm listening to the game. And I'm sitting like in this hotel room. I want to say, Charlotte. Can't remember Zach? But I'm pretty sure it was in Charlotte because you don't want us to spend. You can't go to the game. And I'm sitting there listen to the game. I let my teammates down. I was at my family and friends down. But I was sitting there like, oh, man. You gotta calm says down like you a great basketball player. Why are you mad at and because it goes because really what happened was I was just starting matures. Like, why are you met him as Gomez, you flunk Spanish, she just talked to class? And then the thing with my dad. Hey, listen, it didn't work out between your mom and dad that's over with like you dad didn't do his job a benefit of the. But like you can't care that baggage around, and I was sitting. In that hotel room. It hit me that night. Damn you got one of the best jobs in the world. And you're trying to stick into some high school for him to a never gonna leave that area, and like you been out of that area. And you're making millions of dollars a year. And you still big about them when you're playing like, I'm sticking to these people. But if the story is I read it is true. I don't know if it's true or not. But if you have a fan on the sitting courtside or close to courtside hurling racist remarks. I don't know if that happened or not, well, what does that has nothing to do with your old friends problem? The problem was because you just can't do that. It was only defending it because it was stupid. Anyway, you slice it. Like when I look at the replays. I looked at a thousand times I just kinda spit down. The fan was probably on. Fill to six row, and he was an asshole jerk, blah, blah, blah. And I didn't find out to later they say some some some had got on a young girl because I would never spit toward the stands. But like, I say it was stupid. But it was probably the mo- most valuable lesson on the girl's name was law in a row, and you ended up befriending them and bring them back to games buying the tickets, and guess and just to me is crazy. But she was she made it better for me. She made it better for me. When I was at the one of the darker times, she made it better for me like giving me and giving me a hug 'cause you know, disrespecting the kid, it's probably the lowest you can go. But when she gave me a hug and said, everything is going to be all, right? That's like I would love to see were. She was today and see how her life turned out to sea changed my life. Because man, I was bitter at him saying like I'm going to be successful. You know? So, but yeah, fuck fuck. All exactly I can't. I've I've been there brother. What about politics are we in are we out? Let's just not either commit or we just say we're retired because you have to be tempted in this day and age. Yes. But I realized that both parties are full of shit agree. I think that I'm a I'm an independent lean toward via the democrat. But I think both parties are full of shit. And I look at it like this. I have voted democrat in everybody, I probably ever grown on voted democratic their entire lives. And they say other than the fact that I can dribble a basketball in the same shitty boat, and they voted democrat their whole life. They in the same poor neighborhoods. They school system is to worst. They get no economic opportunity die. Nutrition. It'll be so the Democratic Party, which I've always voted for they have bamboozle hoodwink, and let us tree black folks and poor people and not done anything force. At least what the Republicans, you know, they're going to take care of rich people. They're going to do what they do. They're going to take care of risk people. But now that I'm old enough to make my own decision. Like take a step back like okay republics going to do what they do. But the Democratic Party has been so full of shit, especially for black people in poor people. And I don't know if I want to get in. Bob wanna go to fight go to work and fight every day. You know? I mean, listen, let's be crazy here. First of all, you'd be the first of all you're too busy to go. Give up everything you're doing to go back to Alabama, which I'm assuming is where you would feel of course, they need you. Of course, all those people that you've just talked about for the last hour. Of course, they need you. So that's always the pool from from people. That have influence and power and history. But you're not gonna give us. Yes, I believe indecency like poor people should go to they neighborhoods to be safe. They should go to a school that gives them a chance to be successful. They like it shouldn't be cram rid and a bad education. That's that's not that's not the American dream, America's the greatest place in the world. But the way somebody's neighborhoods are two way. Somebody's schools are and zero economic opportunity. That's not right. This is the greatest listen, and you just use the same way you've been around the world. This is the greatest place in the world by far we say, it's the best country club. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't care what the the dues taxes being the dues like people. Oh, my my taxes. I'm like, listen. This is the dues to be at the nicest country club in the world. I mean, what do you want? Yes. I mean want some low-dose and live in some shit hole. And you see all the time. And I like you see the my man over. Kashogi like he speaks against a crown press, and they kill him and chop them up. And then happen right here you see in other countries, we can say bad stuff about the president. And everybody can laugh about a re tweeted and other countries they kill you as for talking bad. What gets me about that? Just not to go down that rabbit hole. With boot gets me about that situation. Look, none of us were in that Turkish embassy, and but we all kind of know what happened. So he was he was he was an opponent of them wrote for the washable and they killed him. And then now all the guys that killed him are going to get killed in. And that's what they say. That's what they say. Because first of all listened. None of us are more rund with Dr crown has given the order the Butler waiters angle kill this guy. Right. But and they say they're going to be here responsible. They just put him on trial. But we don't know how to listen first of all, I don't believe every single thing. I believe everything I read on the internet. But, but it just let you know, how like we can actually say stuff about the president the governor the mayor here and people listen, you don't get chopped up into little bit of peace. Before we talked about basketball one other question. Just because in it's it is it is a political question. And I've just followed this thing so closely any player forget football. He could be in any sport kneeling during the anthem. Specifically, Colin Kaepernick. Yes. The ramifications that it has had. I mean, I watched NFL I see I look I don't know where land on this. But I do know that I see so many shitty quarterbacks. How is Colin Kaepernick not in the NFL balls? But but if you were if you were the president, and what is your head in a press briefing? And somebody says you let me let me just say let me I wanna ask you a question. I want to say fan for the national anthem. I want to say these words, president Barclay. Colin Kaepernick kneeled for the national anthem last night. Do you have a comment? One hundred percent disagree with Colin cabinet for Neilan for the anthem. I think you should Stanford Athen. First of all he has that. Right. I just disagree with him. And the thing that's interesting. Most of our think Assad is somewhere before the president, call them SOB's and talk about we should do this. It was only about twenty six players Neilan mostly because to me, I think the atom is important is difficult. I do a lot of work with wounded warriors. And when you go visit tease troop negot, no arms, no legs. And we treat our best awful number one. Totally agree. When you visit these guys, and you see what the at the main to them. The represents a country. I'll tell people man go onto the Olympics cool thing to represent your country as one of the greatest accomplishments of my life. I, but I honestly in and I think we can agree. We can all agree. I mean, the origin of that protests. Protests had nothing to do with that it had nothing to do with the the armed forces. We've sent overseas to defend our freedom and liberty. It was more about their community. And yes, and bullies us a different way to do it. It is different. But listen, I'm just I'm just saying I think you should stay at anthem are respected, you respect capitalistic. But number one he is black ball. He's never going to get another job in the NFL. But I wish he had a you just platform because he could have did it a different way. He could've did his first Neil got everybody's attention. Then they took a hundred billion dollars from the NFL to put into those communities was which was I thought was awesome by the NFL owners and some of those players, but I personally my personal pain. Thank you to Stanford athem. Yeah. It was it was a. The NFL was they had stress like they were they were running around like oh my God. What are we going to do? And then all of a sudden, they listen sports are about money. I mean players make a lot owners make a lot we need sponsors the sponsors. They have a voice, and you know, when you start talking about the bottom line like everybody's making money, but they need sponsors to make money any TV revenue to make money. So that go back there. I was telling you earlier like, I think gosh should do interviews. It's important. We're on his little pot together. Let's talk about basketball, just it's just full disclosure. I know nothing about basketball. Like, I got a neighbor people like you. We call them fans. That's awesome. Yeah. No. I I just don't follow it occasionally. I mean, I'm friends with some players weren't. But whatever. But I just don't know anything about it. I I'm a little closer now. Because the Denver Nuggets are hot this year. And from big game tonight who they have tonight, they played the warriors tonight. But first place him it was. Wow. Those my sleep team come into the season nuggets. I need them to do. Well, okay. We'll we'll follow it. But but in the Spurs being close to Austin that's Buford. And Popovich in Becky Hammon, the great friends of mine, and it's been fun to go to some of those games. But I sit there and like I ball the thing. I love about basketball games. It's over in two hours. Like you go to fuck and football game. It is four hours. And you're watching twelve minutes of action that you did you know that in the four hour football game the total like the average time of total action, twelve minutes. Well, a task which really sucks about football. I football my favorite sport. And boxing, those favorite sports. But what sucks about football when you actually at a game. You like would you at home is a quick two minute commercial break, and you move around in against back on but you had to actual game is so much did time. Yeah. It's unbelievable. I didn't know the exact numbers. Did you said that that's a true when you ask a real football game? There's no DJ music on my guy. You can hear somebody knows those long. Those those commercial breaks last like twelve minutes seems like yeah. Yeah. Who wins in a one on one contest between Jordan and LeBron? And I mean, true one on one. Oh, man. I have a tough time believing somebody could beat Michael one on one. I everybody's all about LeBron LeBron respect him. But is a different animal. Like. He wants to and is going to win at all costs right in anything probably to a fault proud of two of fault. He missed it. I mean, he he he got out. But you know, he he always champion. He used to go. He's the best I ever played against and there's no disrespect to Larry and magic, and you know, Karl Malone and patio and those guys, but there was one guy you like, oh, they guys better. All of us. Did you see I watched his Alan Iverson? It was like a twenty or thirty minute documentary. I I saw it. It was on a wasn't on vice it was on something like that. And he Iverson idolize Jordan and the first time, so he's you know, he makes the league the first game against Jordan. And he's he's standing there in front of his idol this guy who just he's built his whole life and career around this guy and Jordan looks at him and says you're low bitch just into punches him right in the nose with just. Yeah. Pay Tigers a lot like that. Yeah. Read all these stories now, how nice he is just go around. I don't I don't think Michael Tigar were capable in their heyday of being France with other players. That's always laugh because people, you know, people when my story, for example, like, oh, okay. I get it. Now looks like everybody did it and he did it and we don't like it. But it looks like it was a level playing field. But he was such a he was such an asshole. And I was like. Do you think Michael Jordan was a fucking nice guy? Do you think tiger? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Arthur Ashe was a complete Astle was a stone cold killer. And so at some point you kind of have to be to be. Well, I've never well. Even mean, I'm not comparing myself to those guys better than me like. I wasn't a friendly guy when I'm playing like this was sports are my job is to kick your ass. I mean, you're paid like, okay. He's he's the meal you, and that's just the way this thing works. I mean, I mean, there's no lolly gagging. Everything like my job is to kick your ass. And if I'm kicking you asked, and you can't take it like, I'm not going to ease up because my that's my job. What about this? When like when I again, I'm in the only reason I watch basketball now, no disrespect to the game or to the fans the players, but my little guy is he loves basketball nine he loves it. He loves to watch the nuggets and the Spurs. So we watch it all the time. And I mean, these boys are just raining threes. Like, the, you know, these guys, you know, their names from Lithuania. They're from Mars the fucking just rain and this like it like it's like, I'm shooting a three footer then there's talk about a four point line is that legit like. Legitimate. I visit game. John. Thank we'd ever less three points shooting. Now, how are you going to do that? Well, listen, we got guys who shoot the reasons shouldn't shoot threes. Listen the message. Let me get this analogy. Every got there's a lot of people ride bikes, right? They can't ride in the tour negative. So this guys who are really good, right? Who can't do the tour? Right. Every local guy in every thinks he should be. I remember so this I'll take a ban criticize would telling me this story. One day. About he was seven lodge with Harvey Penick back in the seventies. And. The guy came out to Mr. panic and says some about. You know, I was thinking about the club champion. I was thinking about like, what did you think? My chances are going pro. And he says. Well, I don't know if they're good. He's just like, well, why are you said he says, you know, must have been Crenshaw right here. He just want to the masters. He said you take you can beat him. He like, well, I don't think I could beat him. He said, well, these are the type of people you're going to be competing to get the local club champion. Can't like first of all. Of course, you played. It won't be like a PGA tour course, the rough is like, yeah. Like the fairways about this. Why? And I'm like, no you don't understand like pros. A pros for a reason. Acetate people take pros for granted. I don't think that even pro bass what you're saying. They're pro basketball players that should not shoot shoot station shoot threes. We got some foot guys who is shooting threes now. Yeah. Like, well, they make if you they think they're gonna make them on. But you have to look at the big picture just goes air body. Listen, it works for the Golden State Warriors reason curry started, I got they got the greatest shooters who have lived, and and the rest of the teams don't have those guys does the reason they want out of four championship. And they probably think about it. They've won three out of four. Ill dream. My green is out there kicking guys in the balls. They probably win four in a row. Think about that. If you don't stop them from winning three or four in a row with remind was suspended or they would have won four in a row, but this notion that you got us to threes. I don't believe that. I mean. Yeah. If you got Kevin K D And Steph. Yeah, you want to shoot threes. But what are you having three of the greatest shooters ever lived on your team is not going to happen, right? The Phoenix Suns can't do that. I can't name one player on the Phoenix. My life depended on it. I'd be dead. Got you back. I'll give you a CPR mouth to mouth. So there's they're going to be a four point line. I don't know. I hope not. Okay. I agree. I think it's okay. And then where's Katie going? Then he's leaving. You know, I hate I hate it. When he left. Okay. See? Yeah. Yeah. He's an interesting guy think he he's he's he's wired differently than a lot of guys league. It seems like and I only say who spins way too, much time worried about other people think. Yeah. Yeah. And he's a great kid. I mean, obviously is a great point. He's a great kid. But when you arguing with an eighteen year old Twitter, and they bust you and you got like a secret account Arden with your your boat up. Yeah. You are. Kevin durant? You do realize. I right. You shouldn't be argon with a high school kid who's called you name it hit live. Okay. So you didn't know he did that. Yeah. They. Oh, yeah. Who's your favorite? Who is your biggest rival, and who was your favorite person to play against they may be the same person? But. Who did you use this kinda just put over there is like the Portland crushes fucker? And then who did you ever Neg? Oh my God. This is so great. I get to go. Well, the best player I played against Kevin McHale interest. They had bird Mikhail impairs his plan for the six that was nightmare. In philly. Boston is every year. Down drag out. As full as rival Carl Malone was arrival. Because we've only two guys who really played the same position. And I got Tim Duncan at the end who I think is agree this, powerful, whatever the true gentleman and a true gentleman amazing human, but you know, guys like him, you know, they get Popovich is one of three or four best coaches ever. He's around a great man like David Robinson. You got your noble in Parker. That's just a great environment for somebody to grow up in. You know, that's important the environment to team that you're apart of. It's amazing. The. The following in San Antonio. I mean, it's when I go to those games like well. Well does. Unique situation. Also, Tim Duncan like, I don't I don't know. I have the whole story. But like, you know, he got totally semi and his wife split up. He lost someone in that. And then as manager like ran off with embezzled a bunch of money like I'm like fuck. Well, you know, eighty percent of professional athletes. Go broke will Chuck. I mean, we know we know that. But we also know why no see I don't I disagree. First of all these guys aren't gambling. I their buying houses and cars and jewelry for the main thing. I'm not concerned about what how phrases know a lot of these blackouts, myself included, man, we're trying to take care of the entire hood. Like about my mom grandmother. My brothers and houses and cars and probably gave away another two million dollars to family and friends trying to keep them much for in. You know, I try to teach these young guys day, man. You don't have to take care of the whole hood and hang on. Let's just do. I mean, we don't need to break this down too much. But if you buy your mother house in Leeds wherever that's to two hundred thousand dollars, she's living in a mansion Leeds, Alabama. Okay. Okay. And then grandma, you know, and then you can if I were an agent, I'm gonna be like, okay. Look, I I understand you need to look after your people and your friends and your family and the ones you love the most. And so here's let's do it there. And here's you want to get a car. Cool. Let's go get a car. You went by by a ring or watch cool. But then then then it is it. So first of all fuck, you is not that's not it there on the payroll. So that wouldn't that wouldn't be a good pitch. You know, first of all they're on the payroll. They own a payroll, and the thing that sucks about it always going to go over fucking payroll. Lake. First hand, I gave my mother and grandmother salary for tax purposes, but they never stayed within the boundaries. They always went over the limit. And then let me say my brothers. And then like, I say of family friends, a blowing up your phone and things like that with. That's only gonna get worse. That's only gonna get worse. Yeah. I mean like I say people like well. Yeah. Guy got some cards. I bad cars stupid. Gambling GIO personal choice. But most of the reason these guys go broke is two reasons I'm one they got like MC hammer said before like it. I don't want to put his business treatment. I think as well. Not when he'll hear like pedophile people on the payroll. He had a sim forty-sevens, I'm point. No. But I'm saying he had like thirty five people on the payroll at an Arvidsson who I know. Well, head for the people on the payroll like no matter how much money you make. If you got four hundred people on the payroll to issues number one, that's too many people. But also live the day you retire. You don't have any fucking money. Well, the income. That's right. Cash flow is very important Sand Lake when you like I'm lucky because I wanted to television. But like every other jock right today you retire. You know, how no fucking job you have no income you have no income. Yes. And if you have been reckless or have four the people on the payroll, first of all you had to send your. Kids in private school. That's your your excitement. Like, that's it goes quickly. Like, I was blessed to go right into television. But like. If first of all television products as me because because because I can say I've probably got three to four million dollars out there Olympia to family and friends. I know I'll never see him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, my women's text me. She thinks she's getting sick. I'm getting sick. I'm crazy achey and hot and cold. And Phil like hill on a brighter note max, who's our son went to hockey. He's started playing. That's why we're coming here. We're in Phoenix where this hockey tournament. How much you love my mother because she loves you owe, your mom is such a sketchy loves you. I told her that asset mom guests who I have on my podcast today. And she was like, I don't know who knows like Barkley. She's like, oh my gosh. She was so excited. She was she was so sweet first of all you play a lot of golf. I try. I suck comeback Tahoe. I don't I don't play the celebrity. You know, this is the one tournament. That's the only one I play. Charles. I don't know if you've paid attention in the last six years, but when they invite people right, they invite people that are that they feel like are safe and going to be welcoming, you know, they don't invite. By people is they're going to get five emails and say, why did you invite that must let me ask you a question. So I don't get him by I'll tell you. What me if you wanna come? I would love him. But you is my guest. Because they're catty. Here's your go. No as a player, and let me tell you this. Do you think you get more shit from the press of the public? No the press for shirt, see then because I see that's the point. I want to make to anybody like us who fuck up. Week depressed beat us to death for they're mad because them at. The public to me is a lot more for giving supportive won't you to come back, then depress, right? But you're forgetting the third player in this the third actor in this in this play. And that's the host the sponsor. I mean American city forget, I mean, look. Nope. Don't forget. Because the public has been when I walked in my life every day when I walked in my day when I walked through an airport. I walked I take my kids to school. I go to the grocery whatever I do. I never get shade ever, the press the press interprets things, and I'm not criticizing them. Just is what it is. It's always a little negative. But when you talk about something like this situation like golf tournament where you have you cannot invite yourself. So then you have a sponsor a host of whatever it's up to them. And so, you know, if they're worried that they're going to get shit for. Let's listen. There's always going to be an asshole. But I'm actually, you know, what we don't need to go down this rabbit hole. What I'm worried about is that I would get nervous in front of all those people in starts swinging the golf club like you. If if that ever has literally I would find the highest bridge, and I would jump if I ever swung Lobi an zone of winning Bill does. But there are a lot of people there. It'd be so much fun though. 'cause we got an win. Is it the third weekend of July? Perfect. I can't do it. It's doing the tour. We have our big. That's our biggest week our biggest weeks, you know, when they cancel the tour. When you're I'll be there with you tell you what oh man is. You should come to tal-. I I will be there one year. I will be there because that's when I met you mom too. I know she loves she was so cool, and I will say like mom, you know, you walk in without Lance. You don't have to bring him. No, I know. And you did that with my my my woman to which is when when you were going dark on me just last thing I'll say when you were going. I was like I think he's I think I think Charles I think he's flaking out on me. And I told and I was like I haven't heard like, I don't know. She says you tell him that if he doesn't do this. I'll never speak to him again. Because you remember what you said during we were we were at that pack yell fight in Vegas, and you came up, and you said, listen, you gotta get rid of this loser. This God knows you know, you say, no, no, this would you said you said, Honey, how hard I mean, anybody can tell a bike. That's what you said anybody can peddle a bike. Oh, I was just talked bad about you all the time. Oh, yeah. What are you talking about? You would agree this athlete in the world as we can about it route a bike like if it's something I just it to you. I used to tell you to your face. No, wait a minute. He's in great shape. Let's get that out the way. But that's my theory. That's my theory on sports if some everybody can do that's what I consider NASCAR drivers like real like jocks come air body can drive. Look at the. Extremes. Like it does. I'm the black man Armstrong. Hang on hang on. From you. Wait for it. Lance Armstrong, eat your heart out. It's it really isn't that hard Dorada by. Told that they was like, what do you think you think lasts greatest athlete in the world today do routes bike heavy some everybody can do. It can't be. Komo fuck dribble. Not good. Not good. Let's go dinner with my brother. Thank you so much. I want my skills were they okay, they were very good. You. Thank you. Thank you integrate. He's he's out here.
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And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody. What's going on? Welcome to move the sticks DJ in Bucky back with you and buck, we've got a fun show. Coming up today. Man. We got our buddy Bruce feldmans gonna stop by get a chance to to visit with him. But we've got some other business take care of as well. Yeah. Man. I'm excited about the interview with Bruce Feldman because he obviously stays on top of her from high school to causing those guys moving on to the pros. He kind of knows everything about those lower levels. But man, this is exciting time. Because now that we've been able to put the Super Bowl to bid and kinda cast is to the draft. I'm just excited about what this draft will bring more importantly, I'm excited to see how many different teams kinda change their process based on the success that we saw for someone to Ricky's last season. No doubt. I'm. I think we should look at the quarterback position here as we go into the off season. We're gonna get a chance during the conversation with Bruce to to talk about some of these other position players in this draft class as well. As some interesting thoughts, I know he has comparing Nick Sabin and Bill Belichick, so that'll be a fun conversation. But I wanna start here at the quarterback position buck because we've got the guys weren't talk about Kayla. Marie Z is gonna play he not gonna play been there done that we've had that conversation. You know, we've talked about drew lock in in Daniel Jones. We saw them down there at the senior bowl. You get a chance. I think a little bit later. Are we going to be able to roll our conversation that you had with Dwayne Haskins a little bit later on this in the show yet thinks ahead of really good conversation with him at the Super Bowl, man. I'm really excited about him the more I talked to him to Mark on the fall in love with what he could be the next level. That's great. I I'm I'm I'm looking forward to hear that conversation. Saw a little bit of the video that we put out there. The other day. I think we're also going to play your converse. Sation when Nick Bosa Darren today's show as well. So we got that. Both those interviews coming up, but on the quarterback subject to now you mentioned row pressed you were with Dwayne Haskins. But maybe the most intriguing name on the veteran market is is Super Bowl MVP, Nick foles. And what that market's gonna look like looks like him on the Philadelphia Eagles at that. Obviously is coming to a close. He's paid back. The two million bucks. He had to pay back, and he's either going to be a free agent or he's going to be traded here. So his his time is an eagles coming to a close. What's the best fit? Do you think buck with foles? You know, it's tough because like I sent a text around. I was talking to someone guys in the league in I got hot and Kover sponsors on Nick foles when I talked about the prospect of maybe having to pay him twenty five million dollars plus giving up a pig. Maybe third round pick to get him. I think many takers. Alike. I think I'll do better. I think I'll wait on what comes around the corner. I think I'll wait on westbound door number two. I think that the thing about Nick foles that may draw some evaluate as crazy as you just don't know what he is. He had the great year on the chip Kelly. We're twenty seven touchdowns only two interceptions. Pre played it a Pro Bowl level. Then after that didn't necessarily play great there. After didn't you see him with the Rams, and he can't necessarily make plays goes against city. He's backup doesn't really do. Anything reemerges and Philadelphia on a Doug Peterson Doug Peterson kind of takes him under at the end of the Super Bowl year digs into the tapes where Nick foles playing well on the chip Kelly continues to do the things that he did on chip Kelly. They win the Super Bowl. He goes back to the bench this year. Ricardson wins reemerges has some success them doing the same stuff that they did with chip Kelly. So are you willing to commit to do what chip Kelly's offense to Nick foles play at the high level because we haven't seen. Play at that level outside of playing in that system in structure. All right. So hear me out on this one. I think there's only one team. This team's been mentioned a bunch with him. I really think it's the only team the Jacksonville Jaguars the only team that makes sense for Nick foles. And I'm explain myself here real quick, I'll tell you who the comp is. Nick foles is in my opinion. He's Brad Johnson. That's what we reminds me of. And you look at Brad Johnson on a team that was ready to win down there in Tampa. That makes sense. You know, you're ready to go with his skills at his ability surrounded by what he was surrounded by great defense. You know, you've got a good play caller. There had some veteran receivers at good back. All those things kind of made sense. Brad Johnson skill set played and they were able to go chase a Super Bowl to me. Jacksonville is the only team that's close of the teams that are looking at quarterback changes are needed guy. I don't think that the New York Giants are a, you know, a decent quarterback away from from playing with the I in fact, I don't know. He's an upgrade over Eli manning. So that that's not one Washington Redskins are not ready to win a Super Bowl. That's not one Miami's not ready to win a Super Bowl. They're not at decent quarterback away from getting to that point. The Denver Broncos. You know, they have some good piece in place there. I still don't think he's a difference. But, you know, enough of a difference between case keenum it. He's gonna take you to a Super Bowl. However, I do think Jacksonville with the pieces in place, which is stable steady quarterback play could make a deep run. So that to me is the one organization that makes sense you got Filipo there who knows him well from their time in Philly if I'll put it this way if if Nick foles is not a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'll be surprised. I mean, there are a lot of things that kind of like if you read the tea leaves, it makes a lot of sense. And the reason it sensible is because the office coordinator knows him really, really. Well, so you we like to think that he would know how to mask as flaws elevate him in terms of playing to his strengths and allow him to play the game the right way. In terms of the way that he is kind of built to play it to issue that you may have is may look John Filipo likes to throw the ball all over the yard. And the Jacksonville Jaguars are a team that has built to run the football. Can't he not only just elevate? Nick foles. Can you take the rest of the pieces to get them going because when I look at the rest of the pieces, I like Dede Westbrook. A like some of the other guys that have like DJ chart was a first round pick a year ago. He's a speed guide. We didn't see much of him this year. But maybe they can do some things. But I don't know if they have a team that can come the play the style that you need to play for Nick foles when you think about the best player on offense potentially being Linter for net. It'd be interesting to see how they come together because that defense is legit. But with their defense, do you want to be conservative run it in a Caisley let Nick foles do it. I don't know. I mean, I think they have to be played because they can't go with Blake Bortles again, they have to get someone that they can depend on someone. That's a little safer some. That is a little more consistent. Maybe Nick foles can be they got we seem to play at a high level of the playoffs and maybe just just enough to make Tom Coughlin. Doug miro? Dave, call will believe he can beat a franchise quarterback for at least a short-term. All right. If I've said Nick foles to Jacksonville. I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen. Give me the favourite who makes the most sense for Joe flacco when you look at all those teams which team makes the most sense, I've got mine in mind. But I want to see what you got. I'll I actually believe that Joe flacco would benefit from going to Denver Bronco. Thank you very much. That's exam. One hundred percent in agreement. I think based on how the Broncos want to play based on how Joe flacco place straw, run a game push the ball down the field. He has always been in his best. And that he doesn't turn the ball over. And I think it is easy to say that he would be an upgrade over case keenum, even case keenum may have had better moments of late opposite though. Right right, there, you always go higher the opposite head coach. What you had you always get the opposite skill set. When you leave quarterbacks. Yeah. Just think Joe flacco is probably a better fit there in the wont other place that I would say that he potentially could fit. I think he would be a good fit with the New York. Giants nothing would a new Johnson what they have with saquon Barkley and Odell Beckham and those guys if they decided that they want to go that route. I think he's an upgraded an improvement over Eli manning. And this is a lot that is a powerful statement there. Those are the two. I mean, are there any is there any other teddy Teddy's probably one? Yeah. But like the Miami makes sense going back to Miami make sense for teddy. But I don't, you know, I don't know like he didn't necessarily play great. You like to see him. The deal when he had his opportunity at the very end of the year. He didn't play great in that game. I think there are a lot of people that are still optimistic about what he could be. But you would like to see him coming to finish it off strong to really make your evaluation pop and he didn't do that. But you talked about him going to Miami makes perfect sense. And I think it makes sense for him not only being from Miami and deleted ship that they need in the vacuum. I believe you'll be a better warm weather quarterback because the arm issues won't necessarily be a fact because to ball floss father in the hot weather. Yeah. No doubt. We all want to be in warm weather. All right. Let's what do you say? Let's get to our chance to to sit down with with Bruce. Let's roll that interview. And that conversation I had with Bruce Feldman, then we'll come back on and chat about it. Excited to be joined by Bruce Feldman, Fox Sports superstar. And now a taking his prolific writing duties to the athletic, which I would encourage if you do not have a subscription to the athletic. It is it is much much worth it especially for Bruce. Who is the best in the business, Bruce? How you doing man I'm doing great good to be all of you. I appreciate you you carbon out some time for today. I wanna start you've written a couple of interesting pieces lately in in one that I that I'm want to start off with here is that you went back and revisited the meat market, which is a is a recruiting book that you penned. I guess what was that about? Oh, six oh seven when that came out, Bruce. It was I basically spent two years inside oldness football program. When was the head coach there, and it was a fascinating project all the way around. It is a great read. You know, encourage you to go read it revisits a lot of these individual players. And where are they now what happened to these guys and even catching up with or drawn in terms of the success? He's had. You want on going back to USC had some successes in term there. And then is has done a nice job at LSU. I believe he just didn't. He just get a new contract as well down there in the by now, it's not done yet. But I think LSU would like to extend them, and I think they're still trying to sort that part out. Okay. Well, the angle I want to take with you. Because as we as you know, we are focused on the on the NFL in the NFL draft in particular as to the spring, but I just feel like orgy Ron is always mentioned for his recruiting skills. And you kinda get his here. All the great stories. I remember Sean trill Henderson the stories about him. You know, sitting on the couch, you know, with the with the family and the grandparents and he's always just found ways to connect with people. And I think people his personality gets its do. I I don't know that evaluation skills get there, you go all the way through his career is, you know, quite well Brucie's that a lot of first round picks a lot of successful players. And they haven't always been the five star kid. He's unearth some hidden gyms there. So selfishly, I just wanna know being around. Him for a couple of years in the evaluation process, and that's recruiting process, but the evaluation process what's made order on so good. Well, a couple of things. So first of all you look at who he learned under. I mean, he was on the Miami staff, which immi Johnson. And I think when people see Oprah on they she this kind of Cajun caveman personality, and they just you know, they look he doesn't seem that sharp. You know, kind of that. And they don't realize that he is always he's always one of these guys always learning in picking stuff up. And I think he learned a lot under Jimmy Johnson. He learned a lot in a short amount of time under Paul possible only at Syracuse and some other guys, and I think what was big for him. Is he trust is a valuation, and he believes in it so much he he's not shy about the he likes to be the first person to offer a guy because he feels like, you know, what if I'm the first person to go out and stick my neck out for a kid that kid there's gonna be some kind of connection. Maybe a loyalty feeling like, hey, we were the first ones to believe in you. And that can that can help them on the on the on the recruiting on the Luoyang side of the recruiting process. But she talked about, you know, a lot of these guys were not the five star guys. Because usually when he offers them, they're they're no star guys because they haven't really been evaluated yet. Or maybe there are three star to star guys. You know, Ryan Kalil who turn out to be a terrific NFL lineman. I remember telling me in the story, he's recruiting coordinator at USC. And he said rankled from Orange County. He's I don't know what he is maybe six to they had them at their camp. He was not a big recruit. And they watched him the top ranked defensive line guy. Think I don't know if he's in the country, but certainly at that camp got him. Derek Landry from northern California ended up going to Notre Dame Notre Dame. Yeah. You were six at Notre Dame. Yeah. And they say, you know, he said we walked Ryan, you know, kick that guy's. But rep after rep and he's like we wore on on on Ryan too little so much in that in that camp where. Like, you know, we whipped this. But just to see how tough he was. And you know, just demanding and demanding and demanding and Ryan clue turn out to be probably the best player in the I would say of the best recruiting class in modern history at least in the star system. And that was that two thousand three USC class that had a bunch of first rounders and a bunch of second rounders, and again that was a three star guy. And so one of the things I've heard back on the on the other end of this. You know, revisiting meat market a deck at twelve years later was I remember I talked to t Bob Baer who started for a couple of years at LSU and was a highly grand kid who goes wrong couldn't get. But t Bob said we went to a camp he had and he said, it was a different dwell camp in terms of how hands on he was he goes, it was almost primal. But he said it was fun, but it was super competitive and kids really responded to that. And so. I think it's been really good. At is. You know, you can be all, you know, he's he loves track times and all the measures was just like everybody else. But the biggest thing I always heard from him was how tough is a kid how competitive is he how much does he love football. You know, how football smart is those things 'cause if you can figure those things out you probably won't have a bus on your hands. If you have a kid who loves football and is competitive and his tough. You know, it doesn't mean he's going to turn out to be Reggie Bush. It doesn't mean he's going to turn out, you know, to be some some, you know, Patrick Willis. But it means you probably have a player that's good for your program. And that was what he was big on. He's big on. You know, the the biggest Kisa death for him. It was always a kid who may have a good forty time or something. But he was stiff, and that's the thing. They always tried to find out and there's little tests, obviously, people in the scouting world do, but he said sometimes those things you just don't know what you have until you have a kid on your. Campus for a couple of weeks. I'm just trying to to extrapolate that out to the NFL level. And and to me just listen to this conversation. It puts such an emphasis on the spring in terms of being able to put these kids through your own private workouts. Because that's like your own little camp. You know, college kids, college coaches, always encourage prospects to come into their can't most of them, you would know better than I that seems like a lot of programs have a philosophy right? If you don't camp there. They won't offer you scholarship because they want a chance to get a chance to coach you see how you learn see how you handle some adversity and just see how you operate on their practice field kind of in an apples and apples to apples setting versus watching the kid play against inferior competition on highschool tape. Right. And what's different now than it was five years ago is now because recruiting processes sped up. It's hard kids already have offers. And they're they're going to go not all of them. But a lot of these kids are gonna go. Well, I'm not going to go to camp. Why do I need to go to that that camp? I already have a leg. Kevin offers. And so the evaluation process gets murkier. 'cause exactly what you just said. I I can still hear his voice going. We wanna see him in our drills and see how they handle our coaching. You know, and how they what they pick up and what they don't. I think it's more of a blind than what you guys have at the NFL level. Because you have, you know, more of all guys there's less project there's projection, but it's obviously not like, you know, a lot of times these guys get a kid, and they'll look and he's he's a six four three hundred pound offense lineman or defensive linemen and the guy he's going up against my size for you know, it's just you just, you know, a guy can just mall somebody you really don't, you know? And I think even a lot of the stuff that happens in the in the star system is they go to some kind of camp or the opening and it's shorts and t shirts, and you just really don't know that much about how how good a guy is. This is like a little bit of this popping my head this necessarily. Always wrong related, but it's Pete Carroll related. There was an offense of linemen that was from Arizona. I remember he was at USC camp. And he was long, and he looked pretty, you know, look pretty athletic, and he got whipped rep after rep. And I remember p Carole go and take get him in there again, it was like any the guy got beat by like different body types each time, and he wasn't a big recruit. But I think his dad played maybe at Minnesota or something I remember talking to the kid the kid ended up going to Michigan. And I believe he's now he was like a first round pick. Who is now the starting off into tackle for the Tennessee, titans, Taylor and. Yeah. And it's just like, okay. Let's see how resilient this kid is what happens when he's a gets beat because he's probably going up against that camp at USC. He's probably going up against players who are better and more than anything. He sees regularly in Arizona, man. It's just like, okay. What's his mind mentality? Like when he gets beat. How is he going to handle it? And I thought that was interesting a little snapshot at that until the one the highest payed left tackle in the NFL. I believe. After his contract extension last year. So he's he came out of that. Okay. When it was all said and done, I think the way I kind of summarize it, and this has been said and scouting community before. But you talked about kind of the the work ethic. Do they love football, or they tough all those things. I think those intangibles kind of set the floor of the evaluation. You're never going to completely miss on somebody when they're wired that way, and I think that then you get to the pure talent. They can set the ceiling a little bit of where you go from there. But man when you look at guys that have busted out. I know I've done this personally when I do some self evaluation of players that I've graded over the years, though, it is it is primarily that is number one on the list. Is there some type of a work ethic issue or injury history things like that can pop up as well? But nine times out of ten if a guy just completely bus. I mean, you don't imagine. When you're watching a kid in college. You don't imagine that he's you know, you're you're not totally whipping on the evaluation. It's pretty obvious. Some of these guys look he's he's big he's explosive. You know, do this that or the other? But if totally flames out, it's usually not because of the ability issues because of some of the other issues we just discussed yet. I mean, I think there's two separate issues. I feel like I've heard Louis Riddick. Bring this up a lot, you know football character. It's the football characteristic over overall character and one of the best players. You know, the book the first evaluation that I get into the book is of a five eleven hundred eighty five pound like skills guy. It's golden Tate. And they were like, okay. What does he wanna play here because he could do anything, you know, the sheriff and Smith played five physicians, and you know, would have been good at all of another Tennessee, you know, bread kid, but the one of the guys they love the most was defensive tackle wore ninety nine from Louisiana reminded owes run of Warren Sapp and that kid, ultimately, you know, they questioned there was questions about his work ethic and how hard he wanted to play, but he could be dominant, and he they couldn't get him. He went to Tennessee didn't qualify. What was sent to junior college in northern California didn't stay there? When Louisiana tech got booted out of their went to Texas, southern why talked to his coach at Texas, southern you know, this past week and he raved about the kid outlet and how explosive he goes I've intern with the Houston Texans. I've intern with the San it was the San Diego Chargers. I've never seen anybody. You know, Melvyn Melvin Ingram is as explosive as he is didn't have get off like Rolando Mellon sewn. But Rolando had big issues off the field. And he never, you know, got the sniff of the NFL because of all the stuff that, you know, just matters matters most than no matter. How talented you are if you don't have it together. You know, you're going to be a waste of people time. That's why it's so important to get to know these kids and not only get to know them. But talk to everybody else around them, teammates coaches, support staff gather as much information. So you can make a decision there. When you're invest in that type of money and putting your job on the line with with you're gonna select in the draft. Oh, I want to transition a little bit over from or. John to to best coaches in football right now. It's been that way for a long time at the college level, it's been Nick and Nick Sabin. I know Davos is his number a little bit lately. When I think I don't think you get any any argument the Knicks still the king of the mountain there. And then when you look at the NFL level, it's Bill Belichick, and you wrote recently about all the the roster the staff turnover for Nick that he's had it Alabama losing assistance and coordinators just about every single year and we've seen this off season. Now with Bill Belichick. He loses another coach Bryant Flora's who takes off to go to the Miami Dolphins. Now the difference between the two at face value is while Sabin has lost a lot of coordinators Patricia the year before last year the floor is go we've seen Charlie weis back in the day Romeo Cornell we've seen attrition on that staff. But for the most part, I think all but three years there. He said Josh mcdaniels there Dante scar neck you the best offensive line. Coach on the planet has been with him for the majority of this run. He's had some some key figures Ernie ad. Dems kind of behind the scenes has been there with them Nixon Syria's been there with them. So he's had some nucleus or accord there within the entire time has has Sabin had people. We don't know about maybe the the core group there that we don't know about. And how have both these guys if you're gonna compare them how they've been able to survive some of the transition that they've had. Yeah. It's an interesting parallel. Obviously those guys who spent a ton of time together before, but I think what which key here is so this year, and the big part of that story that you know, I did on the outlet of couple of weeks ago was he's gonna lose seven of the ten on field coaches this cycle that he had. And that's after bringing in six new coaches lash. None of the guys were the onfield being coordinators position coaches that he has have been with him very long. So the three hold-overs who are going to be from last year going past signing day. Jeff banks a special team court is eight or he was there last year was his first year. He. Pete golden who's you know, defensive coordinator last year was his first season and Carl Scott defensive backs coach also last year was his first. So nobody has any extended length of time with the onfield coaches. But as I got into the story, I've talked to a lot of people on the staff, or you know, inside the program, but also people who used to work there. And this was I think an eye opener for me from a former assistant there, it doesn't rely as much on assistant coaches because it's so structured, he's got two huge factors. Scott Cochran is the strength coach. And Jeff Allen is the director sports medicine. Those are the good cops the players aren't as miserable as the coaches because of those guys they only deal with saving a little bit. When you're a coach, you you deal with him all day when you're a player you deal with Cochran and Jeff way more than you deal with Sabin. And the big thing is you've got better players than everybody else. It's not even close he's out recruited everybody and. And I think that's telling because, you know, most Alabama fans know who Scott conferences, 'cause that, you know, incredibly gravelly voice, and he's high energy like most strength coaches money to Jeff. Yeah. And I don't think anybody knows who Jeff Allen is unless you're, you know, maybe in your line of work you how about that? Those are the key pieces that make it run along with saving is so good at what he does. I mean, he's head and shoulders better than everybody else. As far as college coaches. So has he has he just kind of kept I know defensively, obviously, save and has his core philosophy and core tenets there when he keeps bringing in these new coordinators each and every year, especially the defensive coordinators terminology, all those things that MS it just kind of savings terminology, and those guys come in and got to learn and adapt, and and go with it, or is he really changing things up on a yearly basis I think he's tweak thing a little bit. But it's still his show. You know there. There's a story I'm working on now about Pete Golding who's a rising starring coaching and really was. Way off the radar. He was at UTSA when saving heard about and has like this legendary now seven hour on the board interview where he golden blows them away with just how he is. And I think there's things that you're coming to do it. Nick does. Right. He's the secondary guy. And so much of that happens. I mean, they've had d- line guys cycle in and out. It feels like every two years. And so it's it's what Nick does. Now, he definitely made some adjustments ofensive -ly. You know, I think with some of the RPO game. I think Mike Loxley helped him in the last couple of years. Not just says they always coordinator. But with the QB run game. I think what you've seen from from lane. Some of the ways they handle things and really exploiting. You know, here's our Goto guy. And we're gonna find different ways to get him the ball. But for the most part, you know, he's had he's had key influences. Like, Joe Pendry for a long time was behind the scenes, really all. Yeah. So. I think you know, he knows what he's doing. And I think some of the the recruiting principles and different things. That's Nick savings blueprint. I mean, you know, you talk to guys coach they're saying, you know, I thought we would have had maybe some big more big receivers. But Nick Sabin wants a certain kind of this and a certain kind of that, and it it works. I mean, obviously, he's the by far the best coach at least of my lifetime in college football, and he's recruiting and a high level. And I just think the guy's adapted him in one of the things you hear from these guys who used to work there is you go in as an assistant getting the job thinking, right? This is probably a short term pop position. Maybe one year maybe two years, and it's going to better me for the way out. And you always hear guys have better relationships with Nick Sabin after they work for them than when they worked. It's like you've survived. Yeah. It's the bad blue camera a lot. Yeah. Exactly. You made it through real quick here. I don't keep you too long. Bruce. Generous with your time. But wanted to hit you up on a couple of guys getting ready to look at this draft class. I know you've got a chance to be around a lot of these kids, and their coaches and some of their back story. I just wanna pepper you on a on a couple of them. Rashawn Gerry I think's gonna be one of the more polarizing players in this draft class because he little bit more athlete than football player at this point in time. Everything I've been told he's going to test like a freak. I I didn't even I go back and look at your freaks. I'm imagine. He's probably made his way onto that thing. But he is going to be, you know, two hundred eighty pounds. He might not have been told he might even run on the four five which is astronomical, but the production never quite matched the talent there at Michigan. Oh, he was a big time high profile recruit. What can you tell me about Rashawn Gerry yet? You is number one on my free plus this past year there. There's so many good deal. I'm in the production parts would scare me a little bit. There's two guys that I would put putting that similar category. And they're both big ten guys. And it's him and one of the tight ends no offense from Iowa. Who's just a you know these? Mendes athlete. Yeah. But the production. You wonder others CJ Aachen is more versatile. The other tight end. I feel like I have a little more faith in. But it wouldn't surprise me. If neither one of those guys being Noah or for Gary goes into the NFL, and for whatever reason just because it's somebody gets it out of them. They get more comfortable, and then they just flourish and become an, you know, big impact guy because just because they're so gifted. But again, I there were other the big ten lineman about I think more impressive. And I think we saw a lot more linemen than I thought. We're just more productive. And he was so I could see why it was somebody would take him in, you know, who blow up in Indian somebody will take them in the top fifteen, but it would I don't know. How do they explain it? I mean, you know, those coaches there Michigan you've met with them. How do they explain the gap between the ability and the production? Do they ever offer explanation? We remember though, I mean, the guy the other side of the Paul James mayday do on the plays by. But I think it's like that was a aside from the end of the season that was a really good defense. And he was an important part of a really good defense. You know? But the guy you hear them rave about more. Not just one of its was Bush all the linebacker undersized linebacker all over the place, and that's the one you would always hear about. So it's not a knock on him. I guess it's relative though, 'cause 'cause feels like it's a knock and you're talking about a top ten pick. No. I don't know. That's going to be fun. I think he's going to go up there, Bruce. I think he is still said is so tantalizing. And here's the thing. Sometimes you get guys that are athletically, gifted like that they don't have the production and a lot of times you question. Why? I don't know. This guy's great athlete. But man, he doesn't play hard. Does even want to be out there this kid plays but off and he is disruptive. He generates a lot of pressure. He just struggles to kind of look at the football at times. I think it's more of an instinct thing, but I think he plays hard you watch him hustle on the backside and do all kinds of things. So I think the fact you have this freakish athlete who shows that he cares on the field that he's going to go in the top ten even if the production doesn't warn it. He and the character part is not a worry because you talk to guys who worked with them and coached him. They really liked him as a kid. He's intelligent. They like him. It's just that piece. You wonder about a little bit just because the production. Maybe there's there's more to it in the film like you said, but it's not a character issue. I've heard a lot of good things from the guys who coached them. So they'll all know off the field issues there one guy who does. Now, I'm putting on the spot here because I don't know how much you know, about this kid, but Jeffrey Simmons is my fifth overall player in the draft. He is ridiculously talented defensive tackle prospect from Mississippi State who has a video with a physical altercation. With a woman when he was in high school before he got to Mississippi State. I've talked to tons of of evaluators that have gone through the school on the school call and they say that they rave about him have had no issues with him whatsoever. He's an honor roll student. They said you could talk to any of his professors as coaches any of the students on campus. You will not find anybody that will say one bad thing about Jeffrey Simmons. However, there's a video that exists of the altercation with the with the female in high school, and he is not been invited to the combine as part of that policy. The NFL is put in place. So he's going to obviously be under intense scrutiny as we go towards the draft with with that video being out there. What what have you heard about Jeffrey Simmons? And and what can you tell us there that maybe I don't know. Yeah. For a little context on that. So. He was suspended in this. This guy even more attention because Mississippi State was the old Dan Mullen staff, and they'll all day d they suspended him for one game. And it was his first game. And it was against the terrible opponent people. Like, okay. This is kind of a farce to begin with this is if you want to do something that you really doing this, and it got more attention because it really broke around SEC media days in in jeopardy Simmons first year. So from my understanding the story was there was an altercation between one of his relatives. It was a female in this woman Simmons jumped in to protect his I don't know if it's this older sister or aunt, and then he got it all seen on the video striking this woman as multiple times, and it's a horrific video. Everything you've heard since then, and it's the same stuff your saying. And I know these Mississippi State staff, especially the new one, which is the Joe Moorhead. Bob, Schouten staff has been str- extremely positive like you said about what kind of person he's been in starkville for three years, and Bob shoop will be an interesting person for people to talk to. He was the defensive coordinator at Tennessee before Mississippi State. We had a conversation about Jeffrey Simmons and going visit him I remember sitting in troops office and. He talked about like where he like kinda wear Jeffrey Simmons came firm, and there's you know, I don't wanna get into too much. 'cause it wasn't like a I wasn't there to talk to him about Jeffrey Simmons. But I remember his perspective on Jefferson's is probably going to be about as good as anybody because he knew Jefferson's before as a recruit, but he also knew him as a guy who was not getting Jeffrey Simmons. Remember, he was Tennessee. He never thought he's gonna coach them. Then then he's coached them this past year, and he's really talented, and he has something really ugly in his past. But it definitely seems like if you talked to everybody that he's come a long way from that. And that was just one really bad moment in the heat of the moment. So I think this is going to be a this is gonna be one where I think they're going to whoever whoever drafts them, and I bet he's going to be a top top ten pick. Because he is really productive is going to have to is going to have to navigate the PR stuff. That's gonna come. Mhm something happened with him in high school. But again, I think they're going to have to be very vocal about all the people. They talked to at Mississippi State both on the Dan Mullen staff and now on the Joe Moorhead staff about what what he's been like since he's been there. And I think they're gonna have to be really up front about. Because I think there is a lot of positivity about all the people you'll you'll talk to you about what he's been like when they're being honest couple, mommy to more guys than what your own marquees Brown from Oklahoma is is listed at five ten a hundred sixty eight pounds. I've been told he's he's going to be over one hundred seventy pounds, which is good for me. Because he's my ninth overall player, which is something again, it's it's awkward to have somebody so under-sized. So highly rated, but he looks different. When I when I look at all the receivers in this draft class, and I stack them up this kid is different than everybody else. He's got a different type of juice. He's fluids and excellent route runner. He's not just, you know, a post go guy like he does a lot different things. You can see him. Get breaks. I was with the eagles. I believe when Sean Jackson was coming out. No. Where was I was? I'm actually might have been in Baltimore. But Sean Jackson was the exact same player exact same size. I think Markey's Brown might be a little bit tougher. But where does this kid where this kid come from? And and what's your what's your thoughts on him from what you've spoke to there with that Oklahoma staff about Mark Brown? What type of player he is? Yeah. He's a Florida kid who went to junior college. Dennis Simmons is his receivers coach there, and and Dennis has been around a lot of really good football players. And a lot of really good receivers. He was with Dennis Simmons is old BYU linebacker, but he was on Mike Leach avid, Texas Tech, he coached, and he was really a guy who helped Michael Crabtree. He's had really good players everywhere. He's been at receiver. He's you know, he's about as good a receivers. Coach is there is from from recruiting to help kids get developed and he loves that kid. He just said a lot of stuff you're talking about. Where you know had some had some speed before. I mean, you remember the couple of years ago, they had what you look like a small receiver by NFL, Senator Dede Westbrook. Who could just light up the big twelve and one's a great college receiving he had more baggage. I don't think from what I've heard Brown has the off feel baggage at all he's just tiny. And I'm a little surprise that you have in that high. Not because I don't think he was a you know phenomenal weapon, but just continue so small, and you know, he's not tyreek hill where you're looking at tyreek feels thicker guy. But when I watch him I'm like man, he's got a different gear than everybody else on the field. I don't you know. I don't know. If I to me, I don't think Brown is is that because I think he's smaller. But one of the things the frustration from talking to Dennis at OU was that a couple of days after the they lost to Alabama. He was banged up in that game. He. He tried to play. He said he's a tough kid in terms of top heart. You know, just he's gonna give you whatever he has. But he is small and you just us wonder about the durability issue. But he he he is a weapon for somebody. Because of that that year he has and he really just took off when he was at Oklahoma in Lincoln Riley system. And like, I said Dennis Simmons. He's done a really good job with receivers like this, especially at OU since been there. Yeah. To me. I mean, he's not he doesn't have the same Bill. As is Terry in terms of the thickness, but I've seen the career, you know. And I think this kid probably a little bit cleaner off the field into Sean Jackson. I've seen the career that Sean sad, Sean was one hundred sixty nine pounds. So it's it that's the same exact body type that I saw. And I think if Sean was cleaned coming out of the draft. I'm outta huge rate on him. He would have been a top fifteen pick and prove really through his career that he was he was the other one the other one I would compare Bruce watching this kid just an in. And he's going to run much faster than Antonio Brown. But anto just movement wise when you watch Antonio Brown looks like he's moving at a different speed game. Speed-wise this kid. I went back and watch them against Georgia last year. We're going against the Andre Baker who I think's one of the best corners in this draft class. And it's just like he's just it looks like a rowboat trying to catch up to a speedboat. It's a it's a different level of juice. Well, I like, you know, she's not not as bigger than Tony either. But the thing that I think is a common thread, they're both south Florida kids who are lost in the recruiting shuffle for a while. And I think when you're that size. No matter how fast you are. Obviously. I like you said he's he'll he'll time way faster than Antonio. But he they both have that chip on their shoulder that I think is obviously critical if you're gonna try to survive in the NFL at that size. And I just think that because he was a, you know, he he always showed up in in these games is Alabama game is unfortunate because he was so banged up. That they really felt like he was going to he they could exploit a lot of mismatch is against the Alabama secondary. Which eventually obviously Clemson did. But you know, again, like I said, I'm a little surprised just because he when people seem impersonal and he small, but he's, but he is he's got a gear. That's rare. Right. No question. Yeah. It's going to be interesting evaluates, not we talk about receiving cores to me. You know, you build them like basketball team. So you wanna have a variety of dudes? Now, you're going to want to have some bigger guys that can do some of those things on third down in the red zone. He's not gonna to give you. But man, he's he's your point guard because that's that's a valuable piece to have an offense. Get you looking for explosive plays. He's going to give you that in and plenty of it last one here, and I and I'll let you move Andre Dillard tackle from watching Stefano, you know, him quite well, I caught some eyeballs when I had him read as highly as I did. But I thought pass protection wise, he's the best. He's the best passed protecting left tackle. I thought that I studied all these tackles in this draft class and. Link there's room for him to grow. I think there's more in front of him. I think he's a special athlete. I think he's a darn good football player. I thought he held himself hit on himself. Really well during the week of practice down there in mobile gave up a sack in the game wasn't wasn't his best there. But but overall, I think he's a really really good player that not a lot of people know about. Yeah. History. Really interesting. I about a month or so I did a piece about why it's so hard to evaluate linemen. And he is a great example of it just because when he was a two or low three star recruit coming out of high school in Washington state, Mike Leach has always gonna take five oh line that. And so you can gamble more. And they gambled on that. Because he was six four to forty and the guy who recruited him claiming wires now at Texas State was his own line coach. And he said I went to see him. They'll went to his old school, you know, eat or we'd already signed him. And I'm like looking at him like man he hasn't gained in. So they will worried when he showed up, but then eventually, you know, he put on the way you red shirt. Hurted and claim a wire think he's gonna run four eighths or low for nine at Indy, and he's got really good feet. I think one of the things from talking to coaches in the Pac twelve and we do a bunch of twelve games at FOX you heard how much better they thought he got this year? Now, he had claim Aguire for three years, and this year had Mason Miller was a new line coach there, and I think the ability just for him to anchor they tweaked his stance. Some of those things that that you heard he got better at I think he's obviously got a lot of experiences. Just you know, how many idol Reuss Reuss PC the old line coach that he had this last year is the kid is a guy that came from from Nevada. Right, right Tonio. And so this was because when you watch them it's noticeably different than the traditional each offense lineman where they're always in vertical sets, which is me, and there's taking taking a step straight back which is going to be challenging to play that way. At the NFL level. There's a couple line coaches it'll teach it, but not many. And I saw when I watched him a lot more traditional sets. And it was not typical of elite offense. So you could tell there had been a little bit of a change there in the offense line which will benefit this kid going forward because that was a knock on a lot of these air-raid tackles was man. That's a big adjustment. They've never had to take a traditional set. They've always been vertical set guys. So that that to me was will really help him with teams in the evaluation process, and he's just a very fluid athlete. They knew he was I think they knew you know, genetics wise, his dad was was was a big. I was also a college football player. They were there were encouraged by that, you know, what's what's interesting is there's another guy who's I think two years younger on the Washington state roster. Abe, Lucas who's on the other side who six eight who they think has maybe even more potential. He's even bigger he's even longer maybe almost as athletic too. So that's the name to remember. But again. You know, people in Pullman. I mean, this is a this is the example. Whereas I where did he come from? They roll the dice. Sometimes you roll the dice and the kids just never develops this. One sounds like he's gonna develop a possibly high first round. Yeah. How about that? Well, Bruce, I've taken way too much your time. I can. And I pick your brain on one guy who I don't know. What fits? Yeah. We did. We we must have done Washington five times this year. I think I saw them in person five or six times. I I'm a believer in miles Gaskin. I know he's not very big could he do what Philip Lindsay did. So that's exactly it's funny. You say that because I was talking to a personnel executive last night. And that's the name that came up. His name's come up with another general manager that I've talked to I I've done them. And I liked him. I, you know, it was it was interesting because I said to this general manager at the senior bowl, I said miles Gaskin is going to get the Philip Lindsay bump he's a four year. Oltra productive Pac twelve kid. Who's not going to be real big? It was going to probably run pretty fast. He's going to get the Philip Lindsay bump because the league missed on Philip Lindsay. So that was exact same comparison. I made in terms of club the kids quickness a stop start quickness. He just really really instinctive. He's patient that use them kind of in the wild cat stuff there, as you know, just really good with the ball in his hands. Now, I I actually thought Philip Lindsay had a little bit more power to him. You know, even though they didn't have the bigs body type of the thought he had a little bit more strength. But I think he's going to get the bump. Now that bump to me is probably I would say the high watermark would be the fourth round. And I would say probably you're in between the fourth and six around is where he ends up going. I feel like a year from now I'm sitting watching a game ago. Hey, they that kid who who looked like is what one hundred ninety two pounds. He's just random for thousand yards. Good from a good for Huw gasping. And it's always never done. He was almost always the best player in every game. And I think even when he when they played Ohio State. You know, I think he was better than the allows. They running back Neil. I'm not a big I'm not a big Mike Weber fan. So these a head of him on my list. The problem though, Bruce miles Gaskin when I was watching all the running backs he came up right after my app state guy. So you know, when I once I saw Jalen more was it's hard to come in after that. You know, what I'm saying Jalen landscape, right? Jalen more if he's healthy, you know, he was had that injury. And couldn't couldn't participate there in the senior bowl. But he is really good. I went back and watch that Penn State game. It was tough to watch the end of it. But he was really really good against that against that group. So it's it's a really good running backs as deep crop. I don't think there's a not a Todd Gurley. Or is he kill Elliott in this group? I love Josh Jacobs. But I think it's a deep group. I think it's the value is going to be in that third fourth round range in this draft. Yeah, it's funny. We did I CD your your cohort NFL. I did the NFL PA bowl. And it was like west hills t- loves that dude, man. He showed up the senior bowl. Charles was all over him. I'm telling you. He was he was he loved his perspective and Clinton Portis was the running back coach for his team in that game. He was like he's definitely an NFL player. I was like why he goes because he's hungry. And you know, it's funny. It's like, you know, the the aunt who recognize the other ant, you can are wonder when like, you know, sometimes we're going go talk about you know, he's runs patient. He does this. He does that and Clinton Portis is around the week. He's just kind of looking at Zion goes on that. So now if I were running back, you know, he he the for the senior bowl. He I carry he hunted up a trill Hanks know if you saw it back from New Mexico state was allowed collision of the week. Yeah. I mean, that's what CD's the, you know, two CDs credit he brought that up in our free games. And, you know, just an interesting, you know, he's another New Jersey kids who turned out to be a really good football player. And you know, because he's from a small high school ended up ended up at Delaware and then ended up at slippery rock. So I don't know. I don't want. I don't want all your time on that. But I I just thought it was going to be fun to watch. What happens if some of these kids? Well, we're gonna get you on here again. Hopefully, a couple more times here before we get to the draft because we can just new balance ideas off on these players and continue to learn more more about them. It's it's my favorite time of the year. Man, Bruce, you've built you're the best. Appreciate your time. And we'll catch up with you soon. Thanks for the kind words always applied you'd be hopefully, I'll see an indie. Yep. Sounds good. There. He is a great Bruce Feldman. Nobody better the best in the business. And again, check him out on the F letting if you don't subscribe, I highly highly highly recommend it. Hi, buck were there, you go your chance to to hear that chat with Bruce. I I know you've you've already heard it. So what what did you what'd you take away? Their. I think the big thing. Obviously, I'm always fascinated by the stuff that comes out with a Nick Sabin and a comparison with Bill bell checking audit other stuff. But the things that you guys discussed at the end where you talked about the Philip Lindsay bump, how often does that happen in the scouting business where the year before someone that you kind of lukewarm on you don't go get. So the next year a prospect at exhibit, some of those similar qualities you go all in on. And I'm gonna tell you a funny story. A when I was in Seattle. A may be my second or third year. It was the draft with Antwan Randle ill, the Antwan Randle ill. At the senior bowl was dazzling. He was a quarterback, but he did some things where he called punts. He did some why receiver stuff at the senior bowl and Mike Holmgren was fascinated. It by him. We didn't take him. He goes and has a pretty solid rookie year doing some gadget stuff for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The next year Sinica Wallace's in the draft cynical. Wallace is a guy that we took because of Antoine Rendall ill in early and Seneca Wallace's career with the Seahawks. He returned punts. He played a little slot wide out. He did a lot of little things before he kind of became like the journeyman quarterback. But because we missed out on Antwan Randle ill. We went back and tried to get a rental ill clone and Seneca Wallace. I think we're going to see that happen this year. The Baker Mayfield effect dairies Leonard some of the other guys during James guys that people passed on for whatever reason they're gonna go back and try and find those guys that are quote, unquote. Clones, and they're going to overdraft him to make what they didn't get this season prior, no doubt. I think you're gonna see the bump. It's going to happen. And we we saw even a little bit with the tyreek hill. Right. We saw tire. We've had some tremendous speed. But there was some syndrome things off the field. Yep. And then Antonio Calloway who if there's no tyreek hill, I don't know that Antonio Calloway gets drafted absolutely with some of his issues, but bid see the way tyreek hill worked out. So well and in the same guy that took both of them. He went back to it. So John Dorsey ended up taking a shot. They're taking a flyer on Calloway there. What the fourth round I think it was Calloway and Calloway performed very very well for them emerged as maybe their second receiver behind Jarvis Landry. So yeah, people will take chances. The Baker Mayfield thing. I think makes it easier for people to take a Calamar or even Ocala Marie doesn't have the same physical dimensions. But because all those guys are considered shorter quarterbacks. Calamari will get the bump from Baker Mayfield going over one in playing will because he. Plays in the same system at Oklahoma. That elevated Baker Mayfield there's some people that are going elevate him just because they're like Baker Mayfield. Do it walking calamari? Do it. No doubt. It's going to be fun to watch and see how this thing all unfolds. There definitely is a copycat effect in NFL scouting ibox staying on quarterbacks there for a second. I know you had a chance to visit with Dwayne Haskins down there at the Super Bowl in Atlanta. Let's let's get the folks at home chance to to listen to your conversation here, you here's a Bucky with the buckeyes signal caller. Join sticks podcast by my men. Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins. How's everything going going? Great man having a blast out here. Dwayne like, so many people are excited about your potential and the things that you've been able to accomplish just tell me what were you able to learn about yourself do your final season at Ohio State. I got so much work to do, you know flying? I get so much better going through every game. I learned some new by myself, but I know that kinda ways ago but scare how good I can be you know, in in looking at your game at Ohio State. What would you say some of the things that you bring to the table for an NFL team distributor? This be able to throw all over the field short intermediate deep, and then be able to to have time in rows deep routes. There's something I can do a little bit of food to give offense of a regular dynamic. No, one of the questions that you were here as you continue to go forward into the process, or who is your role models who are some of the guys in the pros that you Pat in your game. After a lot of guys I say drew Brees accuracy Aaron Rodgers all platform throws. Tom Brady leadership is stuff that everybody does. Well, trying to try to model into my game. I don't really what just wants to quarterback because everybody has their own thing that do well about his love this love the game. You know, obviously having watched you since you were a teenager coming through to camp cer-, circuit a nudity were special player. But if you had to tell people what is going to allow you to be a special plan to pros. What would you say that went straight is? A humble, man. Is this knowing that I I know I have resurfaced of what I can be. I'm gonna keep working hard and mcgarry by around me better. And just knowing that I'm going to put yourself every day. So we have an opportunity to visit with you at the combine what are some of the things that you want to show off at the combine to make people feel comfortable about you potentially being the number one quarterback in the draft. Well, I'm killed aboard. So I'm on the board coverages but sessions audit. I love that stuff. You'll be able to do on the interviews showing that I have the personnel to be named franchise quarterback. So that's all I wanted to go to combine a show that will, you know, man, we excited about you. Watching you in this process. I can't wait to talk to you again. Hopefully, we get a chance to visit Canada. Come now. Thanks. All right, buck. What was your? What was your impression? They're gonna chance to visit with Haskins. I know, you know, him going back to high school going back to high school revisiting with him. I think the thing that is going to happen at the combine he is going to while people when he has the opportunity to meet with him high football IQ, very smart, very cerebral. When I asked him to question about the quarterback that he pattern. He gave all the right answers talked about drew Brees Rogers, and the like, I just believe that the more people get to know him in the more. They get the chance to get on the board with him in the see where he is when it comes to football IQ. I think he's going to be easy for people to envision it being a franchise quarterback. And I expect him to not only be the first quarterback to come up to board. I think he's going to go higher too. Many of us haven't picked at this point. I know it's it quarterbacks. Get pushed up in sometimes that we think of that is a bad thing. Other times quarterbacks climb up. They don't get pushed up they climb up. They impressed through the spring process. And it sounds like Dwayne Haskins is going to be one of the guys. It's able to get that done. You had a chance while you're there to visit with another guy, and this guy, I believe probably gonna go ahead, and Wayne housing might be the first overall pick, in fact, probably the favorite to be the first overall pick. And that's that's pass rusher, Nick Bosa. Here's buggies chat with him at the Super Bowl. Join the move the sticks podcast by Ohio State star Nick Bosa. How's everything going good? It's busy too busy weekend for me. But it's all going really well. So you obviously ended your season. Sure. Because you had injury house. We have coming on your core injury. It's pretty much come into close them just getting back to really full confidence in what I'm doing. So putting up some good numbers and training. So I'm ready to go for the coming. So now when we think about training, what are some of the things that you are working on as the combined gets closer. Of course, the forty but he loves to watch that. And then get the two twenty five tests. I think I'll blow that thing out. So just all of this stuff might not translate to football so much. But I gotta do it some working harder. All right. So now, let's go back to the football field. When we watched your tape it Ohio State. You know, like, what would you say the strong points of your game on think pass rushing of its jumps out just having good? Technique. I got good power speed kinda like to switch up. My moves keep people guessing. And so naturally when when you were a guy that has been as as -ccomplish as you've been and people think about Sunday's who are some of the guys that you've watched outside of your brother that you may have patterned your game after I like to watch Aaron Donald what he's doing at from three technique inside. I think he's innovating that position a little bit DeMarcus Lawrence from Dallas, he's fun to watch. He plays so aggressively and the crush movie is one that I definitely wouldn't add to my game. So you know, so in thinking about that one unique things about you. You're so good. What your hands? You do a great job of switching up, you got counter tactics. And moves where does that come from my coach coach at a state mighty lion? Guy coached Johnson. He he really instilled the technique and showed me what I needed to work on. And I think from there it's up to you. Really run with it. And I think me, and my brother have done a really good job of taking the techniques that he's taught us and just using it, and it works, you know. So in thinking about your brother and your dad and your uncle albeit first round picks. What is it about the both name in the family where football is the family business? I mean when you when you have my dad who is a first round pick. And then who? Brother who's the next year? The sixteenth pick to the dolphins. I mean, obviously, there's genes are going to create something that somebody could play play ball pretty well. So I mean, I gotta thank them for the jeans, but you could have great jeans, and you could not put them to work in. I've really been working hard my whole life for this. So when it comes to competitiveness as a scowl, we love legacy. And so the fact is your brother when a few years ago, the top players in the draft how competitive is that battle between you, and he when it comes to what you guys able to do on the field. I don't know if it's competitive as in just trying to beat each other. I think it's just trying to be the best that we could be together. And I think next year joining him in the NFL might get a little more competitive now that we're not the same league same level. It'll be interesting for sure one thing that has been a great experience has been sitting down talking with. You haven't washed your game from afar having studied you on tape. I'm in love with. Anything that you do best of luck to you going forward? I look forward to catching up with you again and become thanks for having me. Oh, there you go buck. I mean, just even in the voice, you can kind of hear it. Right. I mean, it just sounds just like his brother. I mean sounds just like him. Look more substance in sizzle. But what I loved about him when I kinda dug into the family business with he and his brother, and you know, his uncle and his dad all being first round picks, assuming Nick Boles gonna be a first round pick based on where he stands as maybe the best player in the draft. He talked about the family business in what he's learned in the guys that he models game after I think, obviously each and every week you get a chance to see his older brother Joey Bosa do his deal on the perimeter. And I think that the similarities between the way they go about their business. Just from a technical standpoint makes those guys easy to embrace as the number one overall pick. I'll just think Nick most is going to have an outstanding career things that'd be disruptive in dominant at the point of attack and his Pash rushing. Prowess makes him a guy that is going to be highly coveted regardless of what he does it to come on. And no doubt. He's. He's a fun player to watch. Hopefully, he is one hundred percent chance to see him move around. And and kind of cement his status if not the number one pick for sure a top five pick in the upcoming draft. The buckeyes got a good one there. I don't know. There's any more boasts coming though. So that's that's that's too bad for the buckeyes. I know. Anything else you want to get to here? Buck by no, it's been kind of a beefy show here. A lot of interviews. But feel like I always enjoy these episodes when I'm learning something. And I thought all of our guests. I was able to take something away from it that I saw I sure as heck enjoyed it. But is there anything we're missing before we get out of here? No. I mean, I think I think we kind of covered it all I think as we continue to get closer to the combine I am excited to count to start. Putting these guys in buck is kinda sort and some of the guys leading the listeners know who they should be looking forward to watching at the combine we will have all that coverage on NFL network, and NFL media, and all the outlets and stuff. But I am excited about the combine. But I'm more excited to continue to dig into these prospects. Nanno there's doing a lot of research. You're watching tape and doing some little projects I'm excited cited this share with all of our listeners here and in short order so fun time year. Can't appreciate you taking care of business for us back there behind the glass that's going to do it for today. I'll move six. We'll catch you next time right here. Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and fluffy Brooks, four more. Go NFL dot com slash podcast.
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Thank you. I've seen you backstage. I know that's always done done this out. That's not pretend. No, hello. I was going to do it a SaaS a leg cross. The channel tipped me off patriot. A lot of chairs in our patriarchal. No. Because this university was tossing foreign by men. It was a real struggle to get women in. Yeah. Yeah. Really struggled to get women in and they how many black students did they have admitted it in the last. At least four lease four go at least four said with such pride. Fill. It was ironic. Okay. Good. I guess it was but also well done for the women. I mean. Yeah. Good. The bishops, hey Allie case, Don killjoys, if you didn't know that. Now, you do this is why auspiciously this episode because this episode is about our abilities feminists to celebrate when something happens because sometimes we go over the next thing, which there is a next thing is important. But also, we need to take our moments, and we need to enjoy our winds and Bisher does that all the time. We should not do that all the time. So we're learning to enjoy ourselves tonight as feminists, and we're going say, let's have a party. Sometimes you know, what I mean like mostly you're fine. Yeah. Yeah. It must be putting a fight. And if a good lesson for me to learn mental health, it is just it's easy for all of us to go. Yeah. But what about you know, what what about is incredibly important on? We're also going to do. But what about absolutely importantly importantly, we're not going to rest on these Yanni's? But. But. It's. Outside the performance locate and be very good. Thank you have you had a guilty week or a feminist week. Surprisingly any feminist week actually throw feminists. What happened I have two stories to tell one God. I went to a petrol station over my little self. And this altercation happened. So we'll supposed to be standing up in moments of things happening right theoretically row into this petrol station that was a older lady at the tille behind a man who is definitely not white. I don't wanna get his race. We had a slight accent. And he was taking a long time eventually told the cashier. It's fine. Don't worry about it. I'm just gonna leave so he needs and as the woman is staring at him. And he turns around and says what are you staring at? And she just you know, why I'm staring at you. And then he says leave me alone you stupid old cow. And then I jumped in because I was just standing witnessing and I turned him. And I said, hey, there's no need for that. And I don't do that unless you feel safe to do. So I didn't feel safe to do. So, but I just really reckless with my life. So it's up in this guy's face. And I was like hid has no need for that. And then what kind of in his face the woman from behind us. And she said, yeah, go back to where you came from. I turned around. I was like adjust your tone Bishop, and I said there's no need for that either. And then she said to me, you can go home to. I'm what I should have said was let's all take a closet intersection. Oddity right now. Sure. I didn't say anything. That's when I went quiet, and I was like fuck both of you. But yeah, fuck all the view. But the conclusion of the story was the guy at the tille was also a person of color like me who watched the whole thing gave me like a fifteen percent discount. That was just come. So you're allowing for a sexist and a racist. Bentley might got thought I'm saying infection oddity pave. Do it doesn't pay enough that pays fifteen percent off. That's Betty the paint. Yup. For fun to do the pickup. Yeah. He's a nice guy. I was proud of myself. I mean, don't put yourself at risk am I shouldn't put myself at risk of myself. I step me up. When I had that you have that moment. If you look I should do something. And then sometimes, you know in the mood, which is fine. But I did my belt good about it. Is there any also? I have I have gone on the story. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just I'm just Tom. Normally we have wash front desk to Tom. Nobody's. It is really hard, and it's very hard on slides his normal. Things have watched on this. I don't think I'm being a diva just really for the shot just chasing the left. That's where the heat hose. I wanted a strawberry. Decorate somebody's. Can I tell them of the story is my feminism? I did a gig in the last month or two where I was going off to the into of this gig and the emcee who will remain nameless was a white man and the act before the break was also women of color and before he bought me on. He started talking about how this gig attend into a bit of an ethnic night. And there was what? Yeah. This is what you think. That's what just way. In the front row that was a woman who was Japanese. And then he looks her dead in the eye and said, what are you? And then he said Taiwanese as she said, I'm Japanese and this can stop now, and then he made fun of her and then moved onto this couple in the second row who were turns out they were Indian and he looked at them. And he said the next isn't black. She isn't white. But she's and they said, oh, she Brown. And then he said, well, you said it I didn't as if calling someone Brown is a terrible thing. No, it just happens to be the shade of my skin. And then he said to them, you still mind like her because it could be the wrong type of Brown for you. Which Browns a you and they said we'll wear Indian. And then he looked to me, and I was off stage ready to come on. You've been doing for ten minutes you shouldn't do for bringing act on anyway. And he looks to me if ask and what kind of Brown are you to me on the side? And usually in that situation, you want to keep your professionalism up you want to get re booked you don't want to piss off somebody who's more experienced and more famous than you. And usually, I would guess maybe. Instead what I shouted back with shut up and bring me the. Doc on. That's what the audience did am I came on? And I had a great time. But I've never seen a white man so upset and that was my feminist win wheel. We talk. Last time. I was at the auction playhouse. I was a student here. I produced Stephen sometimes company at the Oxford playhouse so onstage. What I really want to do. Here is go, Bobby, Bobby. Maybe I wasn't in it. But obviously I wanted to be. This. Nobody produces things just really want to be on stage. I just give us a chair if you'll currently attending the university of Oxford. Currently tenting, Oxford Brookes. Sounds confident for today. And that's that's the system. That's the system of oppression. Between the patriarchal university. And it's little sister over there going. I'm good too. So just give us a cheer. If you're townie. Base unhappy because they don't have exams. Just shift exams and he came anyway. Two two. Sisters give him a papal people. That's basically what I did just gives a chair if you are so confident in your upper two one first class results that you're gonna get the United. So in the Bank. I can also come out to a podcast. No, okay. No much in your man in your ask that question. And you you might be you might be a man, I'm assuming you're not amoun-. Just in fact, if you are a man. You said you saw on the front row. So you've made direct contact with me. It's your own fault. What's her name? Andrew Andrew Andrew has a t shirt that says rusty stock motorcycles, we often do was anywhere feminist t shirt, and that is is that in a way of evidence to show rusty stock market cycles. I guess there's no gender stereotype other than the Steinke show. So. So. The stock is rusty and therefore crippled dying like the patriarchy. Coming to coming to an end. So Russ all stocks rusty. I think that's what hashtag no snacks. Sure, if you listen to the put cost. If you don't know what you're at. Okay. I should I should. And now it is going to be. Concerned that if you try to what it's a pulp cost, and that means we recording a podcast you'd have to cost is a podcast is radio that nobody stopped making. They just don't even I keep expected to get an Email going. That's enough. Now, you could just do it. You just as long as you're happy to record yourself take responsibility for that to put it on the internet. You can make a podcast. But if you haven't heard this podcast, it's a podcast about what it's about. It's about feminism who's here for the first time, you have the first on Andrew you. Listen to it at home you big fan. Great excited right now see per student here. What you do? One thousand one hundred release manager. What you let go to computers day into the wild. It's very here bane. So we're learning tonight to celebrate our wins. Okay. And repeal. Wasn't huge win. There are women in Ireland who have been out knocking doors taking abuse doing extrordinary extrordinary things legends. Absolutely. And we are going to look at the stats which are incredible and some other winds, but I thought for our comedy part. It would be really nice to celebrate another win that story. Call that's Fum. I'm going to need you to do some what for me? Andrea. We know you pay to get in. But you know. He loves it loves it. Do you? Sorry. I should check. Okay. He looks like I'm very good at knowing what people love things, but I still still consent. It's good to chink. Okay. I need you to look up SO RO s I s club on Wikipedia, and I'm going to call on you for something or so in order to do this bit. We need to bring on our amazing guests today's first guest is an Australian comedian who recently won the golden gabo would at the Melbourne international comedy festival and is now living and working in the UK. But he's the one of. One of. Today's second-guessed is another Australian comedian. You may have heard on the bugle podcast or on her very own podcast team with Alice. I'm troll play. Please. Welcome sprays. This is a story from eighteen sixty eight that's quite recently. Knox. Picture if you will Monaco's restaurant in Nuuk city, women were not allowed to go to restaurants without a mom. I know women were not allowed into restaurants without stuff today. Cooking. And I don't know anyone. Private dining rooms that women could go into most women couldn't afford to the only place that women could eat was a handful of ice cream saloons. I would have been fine. And they allowed women to eat by themselves. When did they still being called saloons and stuff heckled? Paula's select. Two hundred get on them. Ice cream. They were ice cream saloon eighteen sixty eight while you could get us cream. And I think some of them were female only ice cream saloon. All right. Feminism has already gone too. The female only ice cream saloons, please just one those swinging doors to open everyone to stop. If a man walks in the piano play, and then women gets out juuling scripts group day was a woman called Jane Cunningham Croly, and she was a member of this particular restaurant club del Monaco's, but she was only allowed to go in tendons with a man, and guess who turned up in New York City a man. Yes. A man a man who everyone wanted to celebrate. He was an Englishman, can you guess who it was eight Oscar wants a such a good guess, but wrong dickens? Yes, it was Charles Dickens so chain coming home Croly wanted to go to this dinner that was being held at del Monaco's by the New York Press Club in honor of Charles Dickens, and the president of the Neo press Cobb and the gentlemen, who belong to it said, no, no women can come. And she said I really want to come. And they said, well, then you can sit behind the curtain and be neither seen nor heard. You can listen to dickens. But no the last night, you'll see one hundred is how I do most parties to though, I think this story. I didn't know what went wrong, you would have been very heightened you can go to this party. Right. But you have to be quite soon the corner, I'm on it got it. No, one listening with a pint of scrat- behind a curtain on your own listening into dickens, like it's a podcast Li Kim's, that's totally train. So Jane Cunningham Croly wrote under her cheddar journalists name Jennie, June which will from now on be my pen name before but for the Huffington Post. So she decided they were going to do a pushback, so she and some friends went to an ice cream saloon and came up with the plan plan more ice cream. That's always my it was to start a Women's Club and the side of the name sarosa S S I S. Now, does anybody know what that word means? It's the fruit that grows from flowers when Abud turns into fruit. It was what my dad had these live. I agree. It's detract of name. But I suppose it also sounds like sorority. So what I want to see an improvise aviation. The ice cream saloon where these women came up with this idea to come up with a dining cub their own dining club. The first dining company America that was only female called psoriasis. Okay. And what I'm needing from? You know, Andrew is the names of some of the women who in the psoriasis dining club. Have you looked at me? Carrie? Yep. There's some really good ones. There's one what's. Funny fern. Thank you. There's another funny Gobel. Yes. Yes. Funny. Funny, Goebel dibs funny Smith. Smith, gobble, and she insisted on that hyphen it I believe she kept her maiden name of Smith and inserted. It was funny. But he was funny Smith you've grabbed fun. On the garden with gobble. Thank I'll take. L any fan, and can you be Jenny June? Oh, sure. I'll be sure I'll be okay. I'll be funny fun and this and this accent only. Just landed from the old world. Okay. I have come to America. And I'm very welcome. I didn't have this exhibition exist to you have for me. Can be Virjee McFarland. Yeah. She mcfarland. On. Gucci but fallen one Deborah she the right burgee. That's funny. Smith, gobble. This is the best female dining club. Okay. So could I have from the audience the name of the female only ice cream saloon that they amazing. Easing doubles. I had double CPAP and scooper. I'm Tiffany ahead. MTV? Left field. But I like, it's ready. Ba- lead and take any double scoop up. All right. Was my motive. You don't get to kill someone. Put a pin behind my f- agenda. Listrik integrity was my name again. Jimmy fallon. I'm ready. Finally, funny funny. Funny funny Jane firm, Jenny Jenny June. So you're ringleader really have lost out in the name game here. All funny fund. No, no, no, no. You'll the ringleader you'll do both important person on. Okay. Do you want me to go with follow up? Okay. I'll be Jenny June. I've called you all here today for a reason chills. Tickets is in town Nuuk press Cup says we can't get we have to sit by Kurt. And be quiet. We're gonna take that. Yes. Great. You been eat ice cream. What no one can say. But don't you. See we won't be thick of. We'll be. Ask any questions, why should men get the dole talking and we should get to do listening gone curtains. The read the book. That's. I listen, I've read some of the Pickwick papers. That's the point is he's an important, man. And he's in town, and I wanna have dinner with him. And I'm not allowed the scoop, it's a pistachio. Virtually. You always do what I'm trying to do women's rights suffrage, they'll by screaming about it. We need a name for a women's dining club. I'm sick of being loud into restaurants on a company by man. Let's take over Domenico 's and show that what's what what's what? What's what who's that? Funny, nor Jenny no would be prevent if I could be just my full name. In. We didn't know each other very, well if you can say miss fanny, gobble. Neither is funny. Smith, gobble. Why did you take a same? You see it made me if you the patriarchy you could have just kept your maiden name. But I did read in the middle. And then went behind the cunty tonight scream. The funniest running gobble Smith. Smith gobble Frankfurt, nor virtual fallen getting behind this come on sisters. We need a name for the dining club. What are your name suggestions? Something seen FBI pain like something. That says the sisterhood budding sisterhood like the Goblets. Like that one the Goblets. No that just sounds like a lot of the guy. Excuse me nuts. And I should know it as my sense, I suppose they would let us into the dining more readily. They put no. Wrong reasons, we want to be known for brain. Let's make it something classical something disease -i. Because I wanted to be catching. Studied the like you play Virgil fallen. Burji something let like Virjee. Chickeny what a woman something to do with diseases. So the hours flowers diseases sisterhood Thrush. Laura. Yeah. Birds in multiplies. Right to surprising places. Back to the seat. I'll have a trend Bryce cream. Two scoops that one clear Thrush you need actual medicine. To myth like Antigone. We need a name for this dining club. We need a name for the dining club. And then we're going to go in there. And we're going to be like, oh women all the time when the take over the restaurants, Manhattan, something to the sisterhood like a sorority the Thrush Goblets. Like we going. I wish there. Something like a sorority. But a more of a look I feel that steering us in a very specific direction. The laura. Hi, sitters sorority with ISIS. What would you get only flaky skins, really itchy? It's just my psoriasis playing. I've got it. Says. Very good. Sources can we can we take a look at the is the is in the nave. No because I feel weird about it. My name's funny, gobble. If he gets a terrible night. So let's hear that lays. Let's the is. Yeah. This I- this no ci- soruces Arosa. It'd be though, you didn't not there is actually an eye right there. No, she she had been I had to bring down the whole time actually angling the into Woodson didn't pick up on that. So. So we've got a name now we just have to convince del Monaco's to let us in. Let's go and see Lorenzo don't Monico. Okay. So off to the interval we've been to seen. Where angry plays Lorenzo? Ice cream. He's genuine you coming with us cream. She don't actually has ice cream. Okay. So let someone else as I scream scream. Okay. We've literally done an advert for that woman. He's got the ice cream. It's so exciting everyone's going to get ice cream in the instable everyone, and then we're going to do a scene with ice cream. We'll be getting Renzo to come to take any to scoop. And we pitch him are idea. Okay. So you ready to be Lorenza? Okay. Also is there anybody who does Oxford drama or anything like that? So he went to. Okay. Allow if you'll they could play Charles Dickens. This is a scene coming up Charleston. Yes. Okay. What's your name? Charles, Charles Dickens. That's good. That's emitted as Asian. Okay. So we need somebody to play Charles Dickens after the break, and we've already got Lorenzo del, Monaco. That sorta you happy to do that. Because. You can either in you'll Catania in like I'm walking here walking. Yeah. That's all you have to deliver all of your lines in actual Italian would be funny. Funny. Can you speak Italian? Translate movement. Fantastic. Okay. Is an IT ever. He said. Are you ready for your roll, Andrew, Andrew rusty Stein? Is that's a good name actually, rusty sang. That's. That's that's issue to shut company. Is it your own tissue company? You're not. Should we need renaissance man in the front row? So we needed other microphone for Andrew. Okay. This is where we talk you into yours assistant. Obviously, you don't you think about this women in restaurant alone. That's your Osteen luxury vanilla will trickle toffee. Little strawberry. I don't give it to him. Yet. We need to keep Elul here on stage. So do we have a do? You know, the cute. I mike. Could we have one for Andrew rusty Steinke? We giving rusty cycle of free up sheet Russia Russia's t shirts make us. Thank you. Teasha? Yeah. Weird sex t-shirts on your website. No Ted very quickly in short. I'm happy. He's no look you said the front row gets Bevis if he's t shirts bitches and hos. Definitely does. Now, I just want to the bitches and hos in quotation marks Deborah front. This. Rusty style. You can have that hashtag everything. Ten percent. Okay. Can we get into Renzo? Let's get him. Can we get Lorenzo until Monaco and state way? This does. Okay. How'd we get can we lift him up is that what health and safety? Now, that's not what some safety. Because somebody just because we should I mean, this we we did prep. We lost feeling to get in here. So we don't know any other way up. Who's gonna pay Charles Dickens, you need to be the ready? I wanna coming to help beat. Thank you, who's dickens who wants dickens you have to same. I'm my name is. And I would like Charles Dickens. Thank you. All right. Molly. Molly to get ready. Lorenzo? Monaco is how to turn when we need to get to up here. Monaco onstage. Okay. All right. Okay. So you have to go over there. And you'll coming up, we're planning even. Is this? Man with a microphone it'd be like. We know what we've started now. Yup. Okay. Lorenzo's coming. Don't fuck it up. Okay. Could fix him. The we need to get women. Unaccompanied women. Have we accompanied by who've into del Monaco's? We to start the first ever female, dining society. We don't want any men in there that night. Nobody I'd tell you nobody nobody knows even obviously he's gonna bring the food. He's the manager maitre d. Hello, laura. On here. Tables. No, let's go to hook. The only American Italian who's from Texas. Too many Texas all went to New York City, the famous places in the east. Hello, Lorenzo and gobble. Fanny fern any thinking. Tiller. Jimmy, falon me. Nice to meet you good anymore. I'm Jenny June. But that's just by pen name. Don't worry about that. Now lawrence. We've got a proposition for you. It's a crazy proposition. It's women your restaurant. Get it. Accompany jokin? I would I would like to eat alone a new restaurant ice cream behind the curtain place. Let me compromise Bennett gobbled. This is what we're trying to get past shelter to ice cream saloon thing buying think. I I think women into nineteen and get a little Beckham really miss it. I think they're going to be repealing amendments. And just wishing that a nice current to sit behind ain't nice cream window men could have above. I think we making a huge mistake. I don't want to go ahead with some roses. Please. Doubled. This return ups throws us by behind the curtain Lorenzo. I've got some ice cream with your name on it. But it's not just any ice cream. It's but Hillary scream such Bonilla rise Cremades luxury. As a protest the sexual nature of that delivery. As a funny. Take some issue. Could've made most sexual just after all vanilla. I didn't often that they give them rights. But I mean, like come eat sexy ice cream with us say right now temper fronts is why feminist just this women to do. No, they didn't stay with ice cream by themselves. We could have had this whole room Potter right now because this joy, not making sexual. I'm just saying I'm bribing with ice cream this ice cream has your name on Lawry's restaurant. Putting up plot holes. This is cream. It's got your name on it fast. I just want to ice cream. You've got prophecy. You're gonna let it roll female dining club in to make history in America history. You himmy history history. Okay. Okay. I'm kind of on the side here Buddha. Got a snappy name like a good good name. I can sell you to love. Dang. Process. I mean, I like it. Good fab Lorenzo team. Monica del Monaco. You're the Cup and takes. To you guys. Wanna see you Charles Dickens, right? Is that right? What was that Charles Dickens? You wanna see Charlton's well and then ever seen him behind the curtain before? What are we going to do is invite him to Allen night? So it doesn't matter that we couldn't go there dumb night. We're gonna have to night if I understand the privilege rusty stack. Mustering is this event. Well, now, we are. On-board cost is sponsored by rusty. I really enjoy dissect to you fat of the bitches. Of Denver white t shirts for ten percent of good to Bishop. Early. Back to the improv. Okay. It's the ready chance you could send Mr. dickens in hand. Now. Just say, yes me. So somewhere he's around here somewhere. He's probably behind that. Okay. For really good with curtains. Okay. I follow your the best word play wanting to tickets. It's word please writer after all all of his characters named like stuff like have a sham. That's word play of getting gifts have Chevy like Tam Chan shop winnings. Shum Ridley still. Still what I found out that flowed was Florida. Just like the time. I found out that the penal. So you're in charge them getting tickets on board with your amazing wordplay. We'll back you up perform woolen depression. Of course, Burji please sometime first time for everything let me past cherry ice cream creams, you could. Please, please, Mr. dickens, we would like to have your entree into intellectual society. It's the main reason where it's a restaurant for fuck sake. Entree main. Yeah. Is the main reason we're here we've got to get pasta these bad feminism? We we to like pasta. We please. Going to have some. This is great tickets isn't here yet, you're wasting all the poems. With this man to book. We're all you could you please call the state. You didn't catch the get on stage. Dicken's hostile. Can you come and visit us very busy writing very well rounded, but if you could. Spare us with we? I would be home eating ice cream by myself by curtain, but just waiting on. You we deserve your presence. It's out just a desserts. Something about pudding. Putting it out there. He's very. Hello. Hello. Mr. dickens high. You do go on your books. Don't you? I just like to express myself. He's been there. Yeah. Well, oh, what a joy welcome to the ice cream Monaco's right now. We're the knows I tell you what. Welcome to try to do it. Okay. So it's trying to convince him to calm. Did. We know you like talking to men. Yes. Yes. Have you ever wondered what's behind the kitten? Flaps way like in a real. Always. She's feeling again to know what's behind the CASA. We're not. So have you sarosa dining club, which we've just started historical. I all women dining club in the whole of the United States of America. We have great expectations of it. You can use. You can have. If you didn't do it would be a tale of two shitty of you too. Loss of food glorious food. We'll be. If you don't come. We'll be really angry. We'll be a limited. On come on. Yes, you come in. There's a footnote here in real life. He says, no. But we are celebrating victories tonight. So we're rewriting history. And we're imagining the Charles Dickens said Jens, and that sexism wasn't as hard as it is. Okay. Thank you. Mr tickets. That's amazing Cup to Monaco's where the first initial sources Cup. Oh, take your ice cream have some what is now. Okay. So now, we're gonna have to top. This is the very first ever. We recreating it between us the very first ever. Don't mini coz throw sus club dining club. Okay. So we need you count because you've put three southern food. Just improvise anything. But I scream really do our jobs. Okay. Would you look what you like to address all the women? Hello women. Well. Enjoy your ice cream. Thank you. Please. Take a bow. Mike, let someone who writes very long books that was very short speech, immortal. It was worth coming out from behind the curtain. Thank you so much. Wouldn't it be easy if solving? Sexism was easiest out making up history. Yeah. It is. It really is. Jala guilty feminist. It's Debra would you like to go for dinner with me and singer v regular co host of the guilty feminist, and maybe have a few drinks, and baby singer or stop giving you life advice or career advice. 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We can buy new ones which will be shipped directly or how you can volunteer. That's how prefer jeez dot org. So on repeal the eight here's some stops. Seventy two point one percent of women voted. Yes. Sixty five point nine percent of men voted. Yes. Whopping eighty seven point six percent of eighteen to twenty four year olds voted. Yes. I believe the children are the future. Eighty four point six percent of twenty five thirty four year olds budget. Yes. Seventy percent of thirty to forty nine year olds budget. Yes. And it doesn't go down much from there to be honest. And this is what's interesting process feminists who really want to shift things seven percent said it was through direct contact with campaigners that swayed their vote ten percents posters affected how they vote. Thirty four percent cited the experience of someone they knew and forty three percents that it was people's personal stories that were told to the media what one this was people telling stories, and we should not forget them that your story is more important than your information. You might have the facts, you might be correct. You might be right. But it is your story that changes the world Alice. Yes. How do you feel about this celebrating victories? Are you good at celebrating? When you have a feminist win or just even career win. You good at sort of going. Yes. Look, I'm not the best at it. But I like to go for a swim when I've succeeded because that what you do. Yeah. Nothing like a swim to bring you face to face with your own mortality. Wanna fishes people? No, I think I probably better have a swim and remind us over going to die. No, it was found those my with my motto is no one's gonna die. We're all going to die. So as a comedian if I felt something up no one's going to die. The worst thing. That's going to happen. Now is like you might laugh slightly listen need undisputed. It wouldn't work as a motor. If I was a doctor. But then on the other hand, we're all going to die. So I should just do the work. Right. That's my motto. I'm selling much. Laura. Are you good at celebrating when things go, right? I'm genuinely quite bad at it. I feel like I always so focused on the next things that if it's a protectionist thing if things go badly we go yet. That's fine. Because we'll keep working if things we'll go. Yep. That's great. We'll K working. And I just I don't stop to look at it. Yeah. I think there's a real danger of it. But also, it's great that some people do do that. Otherwise, we just go. Oh, we've won that. Now, let's have a national holiday and already people say, hey, Northern Ireland left out of the cold. And the other day. I was saying somebody say waffle laser to me every you know, you were born and raised in Queensland Australia. You know abortion is a criminal act, and I was like want, and I just assumed when I left being gay was a legal in Queensland. And obviously was decriminalised an issue that abortion being decriminalized now in reality. There is access to services base. Weekly a has to say the woman or person who was pregnant would be in danger in terms of their body or their mind. If this went ahead. So a doctor has to give you a mission in a bit of a Handmaid's tale sort of way and has to sign off and both queens New South Wales are in that position. You don't realize how much of this is going on in Tasmania, it isn't criminal. But they've just shut the last abortion clinic. So it makes it impossible. So has many women have to go to the mainland. We must celebrate where we can. But we must also look at what's next Bishop. You've got some things that you would like to say, here's what's next. You can't sit. Now, I feel very sarcastic. That's okay. We need some laughter. Odd things steps when you looked at me off to tilling all of those incredible statistics. I though the question you, we're gonna ask was can you tell your abortion story? To be fair. I also this is very inappropriate. Whether or not you have an abortion. No, I don't have one. But I did just go my period, or as I like to call it changing the wool paper. It's the same sort of thinking, I don't have a story. But I could I mean as far as I know appeared isn't criminal in Queensland. But at some point. Would they would love that? Bishop that I so I think Maimon mean to discussing Deborah, but discussing. The oaks Vidana. Chip on my shoulder. It's fine. I didn't wanna come here. Anyway, it's no big deal. Right. Stop by your school from coming. Yes. I was. Joyce that story we should change us actually a lot of state schools have thirty track. We're at Oxford, you need to know this a lot of state schools that don't necessarily of students onto Oxford and Cambridge before you're even allowed to apply will decide based on your profile if they will even recommend you to apply to Oxford. And if they decide that no because he's mature we don't want you to apply they tell you. I will cure application that will give you a bad reference because we don't want the university to allow you in in case, you don't get in. And that it ruins starts of applications to get in ratio, Oxford and Cambridge. And that's what I was never allowed to apply. Even though you got all as yes. So we should fix state schools. That's the next thing. Right. Yeah. That's the next thing that I want. Okay. So that's number one you wanna fix I want to state schools. I wanna fix all public transport in this country on the planet should be acceptable to the grades that a cabin. Because I just think it's one of the biggest shames of our country that people just can't move around the country. People can't get from place to another. When we had it's not like, we don't have the technology, or there isn't the money for it with money for the stupid shit that we don't need we need people need this. It's a fundamental, right? And why are we doing it? And also like nationalising railways. Things that I want. I also want a one of the tempo. Type now that's kind of gone out of the fashion. The discuss best want to get out of that. I don't think there should be. I mean, that's commonsense. The not. I think everyone should do is just agreed that for like three months will free bleed. And they'll be fucking begging us to take. Actually, temples Pegues. Do you have a tax on the bread doesn't? So I've just been using to tears. If it's a heavy day. Because it's such a good visual, right view. The my St.. For that. Equal field that equal pay. We just do that. Now. It's not amiss people. Love this myth, and they wanna breakdown statistics. That'd be like. But not in this one this one not in this one come on. Just just out. It's very hard. Because sometimes impassioned in the moment on obviously, this isn't true. But I don't have the time to spend with you. But also telling lots of shut up within I've heard it's not productive. Has great story about this. Which one I know about five on the ice cream. Can you always check my faith stand up against one of my male comic friends because all get any milta-. Okay. You get three hundred dollars for the show. And I will check who is on the lineup the last few weeks workout, which one is a man friend of mine say how much like paid and then come back and say, oh this interesting because you paid this person this much, and I used to studying stand up get paid in cash in an envelope. And we went onto dinner afterwards and got their on blurts out the money out to and went. Oh, we're going to pay for a million of oh, you got paid into fifties. I got paid in five. No, I got paid in full twenties. I got eighty cents to the dollar for the exact same spot you go John one hundred dollars. Yes. And I was better than them. Got a question. Yes. Do you think that pay should be negotiated tool? Or do you not think that patients be set for a given job? Why are we negotiating pay? I think all pay should be fought out in thunder done. What we do certainly. We have Ray industry. I think a lot of a lot more people are working in Phoenix roles where you're guessing. And there's no economy sation gardening about I always say to people talk about money, you're making with your peers if you're doing the exact same job. I think it's important that we kind of strip away the most people what they could offer. Okay. This much. I'm getting for this in the private space when you feel comfortable because that's how you find out. That's how I found out. I wasn't getting paid for the same job another male tweedy with getting paid full only because too comfortable enough to if you're a male ally share, and I would also say because women of color often paid less than white women. If you're a white ally share and just check in you mean. I got strawberries and clotted cream. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Honey, and stem ginger. Yeah, I'm interested in either of this show. Sean could clearly you're paid more. That's the pay gap. That's right there in action and so fast. You can say I came to the London Playdium show on Thursday and had the best time with my little seven his cousin, and we loved every single speaker every single thing that was set. An obviously thought show was about change, and they show is wins. And I feel really connected and with repeal the eighth I feel that that's a massive changes. We made and the momentum around that was huge. How do we keep momentum going, and how do we keep momentum going in this country where actually a lot change to eastern made? And yes, there are things going on the kind of all of the work around periods was massive an amazing. But I felt that then stops it over it and then focus change, and I feel like how do we keep that momentum going? When huge change being made people are kinda gate changes made. That's great. How do we keep going? Get the Tories out. All right down. Tories outs. Laura momentum. I get to answer how to fix the world. I think recognizing that frustration is a very important part of it. Because I think that anger and frustration is something that really motivates people to keep working so sort of without living a horrible life being angry all of the time. Not sitting back is essentially what I said before of of not going. Okay. That was good. Let's look at it for a while ago. And that was good Artan. What's next that sort of keeping the focus on the on the next Hoskins always good and to bring back to like the celebration of wins as well? Anger is a great fuel. But joy is also a great field. Like, we did this. What else can we do is a beautiful feeling? I think I'm getting creative. I think around these things like make it fun and creative and imaginative with each other. Because I think that's the biggest thing that you can do to set a fire, and how people want to join your gang this huge consta- refuges coming on going. Well, one of the. Campaigners was talking about it. The other night, Laura Bates, everyday sexism, and she was talking about it at one hundred episodes show, and she said because there's going to be changing housing benefits, which means it's something like third of refugees. We'll have to close because I don't know if it's a simple as you weren't be able to your housing benefits state or refuge anymore. But it sounds similar to that. So we said we would do is show together out of the house of Commons because what needs to happen MP's need to vote to stop that motion going through. So we're going to try and do a show at the house of Commons and make it like a party to try and get in as many MP's as we can who will want to be in that space, and then we will convince them, but we'll slot part convince them through comedy and through making them feel part of our tribe and to go, look, you guys have made a very good case. Which is what I'm George did with period poverty. I think I understand the frustration as well. Like that one hundred percent agreed. There's also the -fensive I think people who want to make change when do it now with fucking sick of this shit. That we just it to change. Now. It's like totally understand the sense of smashed it now what because everything's still broken. And I think that's why Andrew parent with Deborah. Then she's like, let's include people with I just wanna shake people. I totally understand. I think one thing to remind that really helps me that. There are a lot of us do in different ways. So Deborah three and hallway I'm shouting people in my way, and there will valid and they're all useful in their own lane. I think with that overall pushed it's happening if everyone pushing in the correct direction we can get stuff done. Just we come to in different ways. I absolutely agree with that. And I think we need sisters on cop who were going out and doing extrordinary acts of outrages like the suffrage jets used to do. And we also need Stella Crecy and just Phillips in parliament trying to change things. But we also I think we do need to support an HR the more. I think on the left we're really poor at going. You're doing it the right way bring it to the patriarchy the way I would bring it down instead of just going you're on your bit. It's not how I wanna go about us. Don't feel about it. I'm going to attack this bit. But what you're doing? There is roading something or it's changing something. But if you really think it isn't or doing the thing, then can we build a bridge and say, hey, you're in my tribe. So you might. No. I mean, you get more people that ice cream than with curtains. I'm not notes that could be no finer into the show, then you get more people with ice cream with curtains. Nora. Have you got anything to plunk? Yes. I just moved here like two weeks ago. I need. I know I've found a flat. Doing doing a whole run of website with the dates on it. But I'm doing a show it's called ghost machine. If you would like to see me inside a Nike duvet cover for an hour shouting at an extension crisis at you, Ed Umbro or in London or in Manchester police covers because I'll be inside do bay covering if you don't turn out. It's just my night. It's a phenomenal show. I really highly recommended I've seen it like full times wonderful Alice to you have to plug. I have put cost coltie with Alistair talk about difficult ideas with interesting people. I've a podcast called troll play where we take the manure of the internet into into the flowers of joy. I'm occasionally co host on the bugle. Also, I'm doing a bunch of shows look me up on line. I'm the great Alice Fraser Kelly. To plug let my focused. It's called grownup landed straight advise not shop for BBC radio forth. The other Costa may March Ned Sedgwick who if you know if you've heard of them and Steve does special appearances on it too. And it's a cost you could find all good podcast outlets, and I would like to plug rusty stacked t shirts. Rusty's dot com. Dr Keiko there and get your t-shirt. Okay. Any lost message about winning or feminism Laura feminism is winning summed up next question. Bishop. The key to Wittig. You're right to love. Of being moved. Okay. The key to winning. Sisterhood. Oh, that's nothing. You think I would have had time to prepare a stalled for you loads. Just I was drawn into you. Leuke? We can we can keep doing good things. We've done so many good things. Look at us talking on stage, not being owned by a man how great is that? We know even accompanied by man. Yeah. Why's behind the curtain. Don't even have ice cream. We proposed sexism. The fun episode of the good effeminate. Smashed the patriarchy check us out guilt pinpoint on Twitter, guilty Instagram. And if you could rate review and subscribe every single episode that would help us out. But only if you give it. Penis. Goes up special Laura Bryce reporting today was visit with my mom. My mom for the today show, the tardy hunter of knob as well. As the onto the play house, all of you for listening for more information about this other episodes Abbas doll. Doll. About. Thank you, rusty dickens. You'd be amazing show. Bye. Bye. And then at Oxford playhouse Percy. I didn't know that was his name, but you can shout. Oxford of will answer. He said policies. Oxford playhouse corset is. 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