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"Huggins, a Scot actions and our producer this week is Tyler Rocky's in for Erica Strauss Key Erik and his wife around a mini vacation. So Tyler, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me this week. Yeah, it should be fun. Now. People can email me or call me during the week with items they can tweet a picture of an item T crown, Thomaz my Twitter id. Said, emailed me photos of his 1965. Notre Dame signed football with era Percy Asian and Alan Page idols, and we figured that's probably in the 300 to $500 range if the autographs are authentic. I think building wasn't at 1966 that Notre Dame and They had a really high rank team. Maybe tide first for The rank teams where they played Michigan State to a tie and maybe 64. So that's right In that range. You get balls from that time frame in your actions. I think we've had a couple but not many. Those air. You know, Notre Dame's got a gigantic followed They really dio Yes. Oh, if said, did want to send that in? That would be a good one to send in. You know, the October auction Bidding begins October 9th. So what I decided to do now we've got all six Bulls championship rings. In at auction on an individual auction free to ring so each ring starts with the minimum bid of 5000. What I'm going to do each week is give a little background. On each championship, for instance, rate for this week. The Bulls first championship 1991. That ring is it was a ring awarded to John Caps, was a security guy for the Bulls from The first year up until he passed away. I think 2017 now in 1991 before the Bulls won the championship they had had trouble getting past. The Pistons in the playoffs, and there were a lot of Well known sports writers at the time that we're saying Jordan would never win a title because he shot too much, so I'm glad we didn't put stock into those guys and Here's some of the stats During those playoffs, the Bulls played 17 playoff games during that first playoff run, where they want at all. Jordan averaged 31.1 points, 6.4 rebounds and 8.4 assists. So he was he wasn't just hogging the ball. He was passing it around. Pippen was next 21.6 points. 8.9 rebounds. 5.8 assists through the play offs in the finals. All's lost the first game, and I think one of the key moves they made was Phil Jackson. MOVED. Pippen, Aunt guard Magic Johnson and the serious kind of turned on they have Pippen with those long arms and the speed. Could really keep up with magic and and gave him some trouble. In the finals. Jordan average 31.2 with 11.4 assists. I didn't even realize he at that many assists in in the finals, and Pippen. A lot of people thought. Still to this day. Think he wasn't that greater than important? 20.8 points, 9.4 rebounds, 6.6 assists and like I said he did the job on Magic Johnson. Who had 18.6 points, eight rebounds. 12.4 assists. You know a very good Siri's for magic, but he Pippen control them enough that the Bulls could end up winning the Siri's. And by the way, John Paxson averaged 13.4 points a game in the finals. I didn't realize the average that much. Yeah, you need some key baskets. Keep three part harmony, Assists. Jordan head Jack just went to John Paxson. You know that's true. But and then Paxson incur. We're both Kirk kind of took over pecs and spot in the later championships, but making those clips that clutch outside shots that really helped him, But when you look at it, too There was so much less three point shooting at the time. And honestly, I think it was a more fun the game toe watch with less three point shooting. No doubt I really didn't have a ticket. Tex falls, you know you had gotten tied into the basket but have embodies on. Yeah, it was a more fun game, I think back then way more physical problem. It was good that they cut that down a little bit. But it was way more physical than Than it is now and that's a good I mean. Part of the problem is the Bulls have been so bad. It's it's I don't like watching games like playoff games as much when the Bulls Aaron, innit Don't have any chance. It's kind of similar with baseball. The white sacks were so bad the last 10 years is here. So you know, I was getting kind of like I wasn't watching much baseball. But now that there is so much fun to watch him watch and more so a lot has to do with the team you root for and how they're doing. You certainly have a bunch of power in that line up. It is a fun line up to watch top to bottom point. The Cubs just aren't heading. You know, It's just crazy. How poorly some of their Nickname Guys are hitting you Surprised by that, you know, with how much you watch whole bunch. Absolutely. But you know, they're fighting ways to win games. They're still in first place, And I guess at the end of the day they're in first place. So you know. Yeah, Something's working. You know, I'm a little leery of both their first place, though, because you know, the white sacks are just Coming into their own. But I want to see the white sacks win a couple Siri's against the Indians and the twins that just beat up on the bad teams. Both both teams have Pretty easy schedules for the most part, so I'm a little bit little bit scared of either team how far they can advance once they get to the good teams. I think the white sacks will get there at some point anyway, but I don't know if it's going to be this year. Now. We'll have to see should be fun to watch. We certainly will find out shortly here in the next few weeks. Yeah, now we're gonna have which ended higher. Well, Huggins is Nancy back with us this week to join in on which ended higher. Yes, and it was she excited that you've moved her in the first place last week. That's that's a whole another story. All that matters is your your season first place. It's okay. No, Tyler, just so your updated on this. There's going to be a big prize for somebody. Whoever finishes first, so of Eric does win. He's gotta You gotta get something on a ship in a little bit like Let's say it's a box of Pax where you've got to get a couple of packs, especially if you get it right this week. I want to put any pressure on you. But right now it's Nancy has four. Winds and John Drummond vents and Erik each have three. So it's a battle of will go until the end. We ran through the end of November, so we'll see what happens with all that now. Some of the items that ended in the October earlier this was in the May Huggins and Scott Auction. October's bidding starts October name. This is kind of an interesting thing. This is a back story. I didn't know Charles Bidwell. He was Chicago Cardinals owner from 1933 to 47. Signed cut of him went for $8200. I guess he died at the age of 51 in 1947 of pneumonia, So it's a pretty rare signature. He was in the Hall of Fame class of 1967. He actually went to Loyola, Chicago. But here's something He helped George Alice keep the Bears in Chicago. I think it was in 1933. He bought. I think it was $5000 in stack in the team at the time, which was at that time must have been a pretty big deal, and he arranged a bank loan. For Alice to keep the team floating. You know, that was when the Depression had hit, so I imagine there was some You know, some tough money times at that time, So I had never heard that story. But Cheryl's Bidwill, I apparently helped keep the The Bears in Chicago and George Palace in Chicago. So $8200 for that cut's signature. That's a pretty good price events. We ended up doing a fantasy. Remember last week I was saying this will be the first time I haven't done a Fantasy football draft in years and I was kind of like, well least I won't make the first pick of the the wrong pick in the first round. Now this I was 10th at attend. So it was the pressure was off. I didn't have to decide was kind of just like whatever draft to me. So it was pretty good. I ended up Pick and later..
"charles bidwell" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available
"I also get the sense that the cardinals also before Even bidwell became owner. Were a little ahead of the curve when it came. I'm too Integrating African American players into their into their mix. Is that right. Oh it certainly is and It was a shameful part of the NFL when there. It wasn't integration there for most of the thirties but the cardinals had a a fantastic player. Name Frederick Slater Duke Slater. All American at the University of Iowa originally grew up on the south side of Chicago. His father was a minister earnings. Just a dominating player he played basically Lia's entire crew without a helmet. He didn't see much use for so but slater Is this year of the National Football League Hall of fame since the National Football. I believe the pro. Football Hall of fame is going to try and recognize some of those folks who played nearly years Hopefully include them in the hall of fame. I Duke Luke Slater's one that absolutely should be considered but Here's an African. American employer played several years for the cardinals started out with I believe rock island before rejoined the cardinals and was dominating tackle in fact one of the oldest. NFL records was established in Thanksgiving Day. Nineteen twenty nine when Ernie Nevers the harden scored all forty points so the cards in a forty two six win over the bears and to this day. That's the most points ever scored by an individual in an NFL NFL. Game and Duke Slater was The primary reason for that that most running plays brand right behind him at tackle and slater was always known for one who would a clear the whole for the runners but yes. The cardinals had duke slater. Another great halfback called Joe. Louis leads the early thirties. was a phenomenal phenomenal runner to receivers well passing wasn't as prevalent as today but Another great player and then those players just disappeared until the forties so in some respects and you may know the history more deeply certainly than I do but people like Duke Slater right seemed to be eh. Almost forgotten in terms of their how pioneering they were I mean he he was arguably one of the if not the standout African American players in the early days of pro football even just slightly before the NFL. I wonder why more hasn't been made of sort of these pioneering efforts especially in light of maybe where the NFL still hasn't sort of you know kind of crossed the chasm on on on integration and and and and and rights. And all that kind of stuff if you believe some of the current players out there they you know there's a lot of disrespect still I think in the community. Yeah nothing would duke slater such a phenomenal. I and two way player for so many years every time you read an article talks about him and what he did in the line and it just He's he's one that should be recognized but I agree yes. Somebody's players and is it. Is it because the writers who covered them are no longer with us and none of us ever saw them play play and so we really have to rely on research to bring these folks back. I guess part of the thing that I enjoy about the cardinals and their players is finding something something that no one perhaps before and to You know publish it however however possible whether in being book form or on our our different sites sites but it just doesn't seem to be the recognition even when you see the seniors who are nominated each year. They're generally the seniors. Perhaps from the fifties he's our sixties for the hall of fame and not those from the twenties and thirties. Well okay so let me let me ask this indelicate question. Then so you're hinting at. Maybe one of the reasons. Why perhaps and Yeah I? This is also part of why we kind of in our own very amateurish way kind of go into this conversation these conversations because there are things that are either lost oeste history or have not been fully vetted or you know that that are living and breathing issues. That could be resurrected and maybe brought to light such as this Not Sort of making a crusade out of this but you know it seems like it's a it's a fairly decent injustice could it be also right besides the fact that early twenties unease and some of it was prior to the NFL's formation and the rules you're talking about we're relatively free form. Shall we say be charitable. Do you think it would have been any different had had slater been. Let's say on the Chicago bears right because the cardinals as we'll get into in a few minutes you know kind of were wayward in terms their on field performance for decades right during and after a bit wells a acquisition of the team. And so I guess I'm just wondering if the cardinals relatively family on remarkable performance in the years that followed in the thirties and the forties might have had something to do with the fact. That Snyder wasn't given any Additional credit because he was on relatively more team. Yeah I never thought of it that way. But if he had been on the bears with winning championships in the thirties and forties he's been playing the forties. But yeah maybe it would have been a little different because after twenty five. The cardinals were not really competitive in a lot of those years so there was no recognition for the team nor for the individual players. You know we have Ernie Nevers. Obviously he's in the hall of fame and the forties. Charlie trippy but in between there. Yeah there's a little bit of a gap and that's the interesting that Perhaps the one loss record of the might have a lot to do with it in terms of recognition. Ignition for some of these players are will tell me about Charles Bidwell. Because I don't want us to start to Pinson blame on the team's performance but he did inherit the team. He did purchase nineteen thirty two. Maybe a little background Charles Bidwell was and and arguably sort of his approach to running the the other team in Chicago in the NFL During the thirties and forties bidwell was a businessman who was involved in printing program. uh-huh some say involved in printing fits for other types of social entertainment but again he was an innovator. He was involved with dog racing racing. He was involved in women's softball. Pioneer there had a team in Chicago. Had his own stadium called bidwill stadium on the South side where the softball team played. And as I mentioned earlier he was partner with George House and pro basketball team at the time he purchased the cardinals. He had to relinquish his share of the bears. And one of the interesting stories of that. Era's when George was bought out Dutch tournament his partner and the bears and they were together from Nineteen nineteen twenty twenty one all the way through nineteen thirty two. He had to meet a certain deadline. And in order to get the cash she had a borough he borrowed from say George Trafton and another hall of Fame Player borrow from George Tripton mother and at the last minute Charles Bidwell gave them my belief five thousand dollars so Halis could make that final payment mint but in order to become owner of the cardinals. BIDWILL relinquish whatever shares and the bears he had or any position He was a secretary secretary and someplace describe or other officer positions and was interesting one of the stories that we hear about it. Well says loyalty to health and the bears because of their business partnerships but when he first became owner of the cardinals the cardinals and the bears play the game and it will forgetting that he was the owner was watching. The cardinals led the bears up until late in the game when the bears scored to win and Bidwell overheard say who that was close. Many clothes for the bears win. Forget he was the owner of the cardinals but that changed. He became very very determined to build a winner. It took a while that when he signed Charlie trippy in the forties. That was the first bonus baby of the NFL trip. You've got this huge contract. Stolen guys were getting. Maybe one hundred ten one dollars a game and Tricky signed for about one hundred thousand dollars for two years. He could've played pro baseball. He could have gone to a new professional league. That was starting with the team in New York. Mr Bidwell had Talk Charlie trippy into playing for the cardinals and it paid off because the cardinals then won the championship up and nineteen forty seven. Tricky being one of the leaders. Unfortunately Mr Bidwill passed away earlier. Nineteen forty seven and nine never saw that championship occur occur but He had been active for many years and different sports activities and the city of Chicago and surrounding areas and so As a businessman businessman. I don't know if he was tight as they. George Halas was rumored to be But perhaps they needed more of a football person person perhaps to attract better players for the cardinals in the thirties. And of course in the forties than the war broke out all the teams lost. Their players to the service is that they were over six hundred thirty. I believe. NFL players We're in the military during World War Two so It was tough to to I guess. Climb that mound develop a championship team championship team in the NFL but Buddha bidwell eventually did that. Nineteen forty seven. Okay I want to get to the nineteen in forty four season in a minute. Because it's a huge asterisk in the history of of you but I want to go back though before we do that. into the remarkably liane remarkable nineteen thirties and early nineteen forties of this franchise. Right what was it about. This team underbid wells management. That just made it so I mean the only I take it. The only had two winning seasons during that period of time and losing seasons for ten consecutive ten consecutive from thirty six to forty five. What was it about this franchise? During that period of time was that the ownership was it mismanagement was it. Bum locked was it. What was it? Do you think that they were so unremarkable. Probably hard to pinpoint one thing might've been a an amazing array of coaches. They seem to change coaches almost every year throughout the thirties. might be one reason. Ernie never ever started the decade he lasted a year then Another Gandhi Maria Anders. Got Involved with Jack. Benny Paul Schindler just the amount of violent CREIGHTON was another one. All these folks were coaching in the thirties. And maybe that had something to do with it The other part my I guess then the talent itself that was on on the field. They didn't have a real superstar back then. I'm reminded a guy named Guston's Lee who came in the league. In the late thirties. He was an end and had had this spectacular performance great statistics and just kind of walked away from football. After a couple of years and again he had other interests or perhaps could make more your money than Playing pro football doing something else but they tried a lot of different things again than to for example. The cardinals were ONE ON ROAD TRIPS TRIPS on postseason tours nineteen thirty four after the season They went out to California and played several games out there and played teams along the way in Kansas City and Tulsa and actually play twenty two games that year which is a crazy so they had a sixteen and six record overall but five and six in the NFL. So you can see the level was extraordinary out the league but inside the league they were just average and except for thirty a five when they were eating forum and Overall six and four in the league they as you mentioned had a tough time being competitive in the national football league and thirty so generally you look at that you look at the coaches The great turnover but also the player. They just didn't seem to have any real big standouts or ones that they could attract act and keep the even for example in the draft started The first draft pick Jay Berwanger from University of Chicago was drafted by the cardinals but eventually musty became property of the.
"charles bidwell" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available
"Near normal park so fans could take these newfangled automobiles drive to the game and he also tried to get as best he could Coverage in the media and O'Brien also would be kind of like a salesman he would say. The cardinals played down. In Moline and overnight rock island. He would go there the week before and try and drum business from the local fans and of course the writing that time was extraordinary. We'd hear about the giants Ryan Chicago cardinals coming to lean with several all Americans on the team and we're a little moline doesn't have a chance. But they would build up these versions Asians and stories of the all Americans when it came to Chicago. The cardinals just seemed draw. What normal park on the south? They didn't have a large seating capacity even when they moved to Comiskey Park. They didn't have much luck in filling that place Again when he helps a lot. The cardinals won the championship in nineteen twenty five but then unfortunately was the same time. Red Grange game in the League and so the bears were off filling stadiums around the country and the poor cardinals are trying to get a couple of thousand housing to watch them play Comiskey Park so that was kind of interesting about how the cardinals did try and survive in the thirties. This was after. O'Brien sold sold the team. They actually played their games from nineteen thirty one to nineteen thirty nine at Wrigley Field which left the cardinals at kind of the bottom of the ladder in terms of you've of preferred game days the cubs of course if they had a good season might be playing late into October The bears would have their first choice. Waste because that was their home field and so then the cardinals are Wrigley. Field would have. Maybe they're opening home game in November. I think Vince Bananas A great I because all the guards for the cardinals one said the team tried to move to Wrigley Field where they had all the rich people and we had the when he called the have nuts on the sell all side probably not fair for us to describe it that way but it seemed to be true because the fans of the cardinals would not go north to watch the cardinals plane Wrigley Field. Of course the bears wanted fans wanted nothing to do a sing another team playing and Wrigley Field so that did not last and the cardinals moved back for nineteen forty into Comiskey Park. So lots to unpack there so on that one. That was the Bidwell family when they bought the team in thirty three that they decided that they were gonna try to kind of go upmarket if you will and find out where the where where the money was but that's odd because the city of such a large geography. Hindsight is twenty twenty now right but you know to be the third tenant pennant in you know in arguably a baseball park right. The number two football team let alone not have with another stadium just on the south side I just basically sitting waiting for a winter. Tenant sure yeah and they Just never worked for him but I I guess it was an idea actually. They started a year before. Did well got involved and He kept up with it but the owner. Dr David Jones. He was the city physician for the city of Komo. A Chicago promise that he would bring a winning team to the sell side and made a lot of changes. One of the biggest was bringing. Ernie Nevers I the hall of Famer in to play for the cardinals later coach for the cardinals. He had the first out of town training. Camp and cold water Michigan really pumped up the the team but When attendance was still not very strong He was the one who had the first season up in Wrigley Field. I'm not sure if they signed signed a contract for several years but bidwill certainly had the opportunity to move the team back but but kept them up north and maybe it was because he had a fondness for the beers. There's kind of working for health at one time being a partner with hell listen they pro basketball team to Chicago Bruins Of course this was going on before and during his time as owner of the cardinals but who knows The attendance wise is certainly didn't work all right so before we move onto the ownership changes and and you mentioned that it's important that we go over sort of how it got to the big welfare because it didn't go directly to them as you just mentioned in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty five is an asterisk for sure in NFL. Football history. History right and and I believe I've mistaken the cardinals. I guess almost retroactively claim nineteen twenty. Five is there I ever. Nfl Championship hip. But it wasn't that simple nor maybe even at the time acknowledged as such as a championship team was it yes twenty five was preps the the if not today. It's still is one of the most controversial seasons that was ever played in the NFL and nineteen twenty four. There was a a similar. I'm were thing where a couple of teams claim the title and the owners and their minutes which are available to pro football hall of fame. Put Down certain rules and the rules claim claim that you could schedule any number of games you want it to until a certain day. Let's just say December first December seven. And if you wanted I want to you can keep playing games The cardinals in nineteen twenty five were neck and neck with the Pottsville maroons from Pennsylvania and ahead. What a lot of the newspapers called the championship? Game between the two teams at the end the season Pottsville won that game so they edged ahead of the cardinals and the standings and this is the same time. Now that we're hearing rumblings about Red Green joining the bears and coming to the the NFL So some trains are saying perhaps the cardinals or the maroons. We're trying to finagle a game with red grange and host them and and get the full crowd Some correspondence that indicates that but basically crystal Brian the owner of the cardinals. He really wanted to win the championship. So which which was legal. He scheduled to more games in nineteen twenty five before the deadline was against the a ham and team and one was against the Milwaukee he badgers he won both games. So that's the first part of the story that adds the cardinals ahead of Pottsville by Gamer. So the same time Pottsville. I still wanted to play Much all stars from Notre Dame up in the Philadelphia area. And here's a lot. It gets a little more controversial. Is that the league supposedly told possible. They could not play in Philadelphia because of territorial rights. They wanted to play the game. Anyway and We're then summarily. This is because they were trying to make some the the early part of the NFL. This was also part of sort of revenue generation. Right there was an exhibition. Asa Asa in and around the right accorded regular season right so they would have been okay to play this game anywhere else but they decided to play where they were told not I too. So that's the controversy that that Followers the pottsville claim that they should have won the championship. They shouldn't have been kicked out of the League and that the cardinals all scheduled these two games illegally but it was legal ethical. I'm not so sure But the cardinals then because apostles kicked out were Lee said was awarded the championship to the cardinals. They never claimed it. There was no trophy at the time. And then the story got even a little crazier because when they put the cardinals played the team from Milwaukee Milwaukee came to town. They didn't have enough players so one of the cardinals players. Here's phone some additional professionals who turned out to before high school kids from Englewood High School. So the cardinals then were Brought to the carpet Chris. O'Brien Brian was fined and again what was said at that time. with the cardinals have to give up the championship. They never they never were the excuse that the championship never was taken away from the cardinals so there's still recognize the twenty five champions even though maybe outwardly. They never accepted that until later on when the the bidwill family became involved. So if you're from Pottsville you probably have a good claim that something must have been a mess if your car to stand you. Probably the and rightly so say we. We just schedule another couple of games. Either way it's very controversy on. It's funny even to this day. Still you bring that up among people who do research and there's a a good argument going on as to who is actually nineteen twenty five champion the personal. Brian was certainly looking forward to winning the championship and perhaps scheduling a game or two with the Chicago bears against well. Okay so I guess it's important right because you mentioned in hinted at that. The team was the O'Brien sold the team to to Dr David Jones in Nineteen Twenty nine very interesting year on a writ large basis in this country and frankly the globe then by thirty two was then purchased by a gentleman by the name of Charles. Charles Bidwell will probably want to get into because the bidwell family from from this point on obviously becomes synonymous with the cardinals franchise for the rest of its of its life instill but I. It's interesting that AH AH based on what I've read and you can correct me if I'm wrong. It was only after bidwell became owner of the team that this sort of nineteen twenty five asterisks championship became an issue and were a pursuit of his. To somehow at least lay claim to as their history he went off. Yes and and I think that's accurate The history of it is a little fuzzy as to when and if and why. The cardinals claimed the championship. unshipped that the league basically gave to them and early nineteen twenty six. I shouldn't say gave but recognize the cardinals because they had the better record under the rules at the time and of course today we can't go back and change that type of history or this. We can question the decisions but we can't go back and change it but it does seem around that time that you would see the cardinals claiming that they were champions in nineteen twenty five and some of the programs and other material that went out came and.
"charles bidwell" Discussed on Power 105.1 FM
"No power no five point one you're listening to keep hope alive with the Reverend Jesse Jackson on power one oh five one coming out of the Great Depression I started to look at the actual numbers in there was a great drop off in black players in the league after nineteen twenty six so well before George Preston Marshall came to the league well before three years before the Great Depression and when I started to to look at was you know yeah George Preston Marshall he certainly driving this he certainly the one who's pushing for it but nothing happens with the will of just one man it takes an entire league for this to occur nineteen thirty to the NFL was losing money the bears won the championship in lost eighteen thousand dollars they were making a number of rule changes to make the game more interesting to fans but one of the changes that they made although there's no written record of that which is why this is hard to talk about one of the changes that they certainly made was to not have any black players in the NFL after that point the argument that Marshall made was that it would upset white fans to see white players losing their jobs to black players and but then this went on you know this went on for twelve years this is the season how Lynch in the black people the the season Jack Johnson became him which happened after his slice of the race riots in the streets any of those those really Grammy comes a white out to Vegas that was struck me but it's not just clear the band but other refused to draft players. use use let referees like because of like man just like on the ship but there seems to be both dirt cheap at that time yeah I can't I can't speak to the to the referees and and to the coaches I haven't looked into that although I know there were no black coaches at the time that's correct there were no players being drafted the NFL instituted their draft in nineteen thirty six one of the cases that I look at is Ozzie Simmons Ozzie Simmons was a half back at the university of Iowa he was had as breakout game right here in the Chicago land area in Evanston against northwestern in nineteen thirty four he was an all America in nineteen thirty five despite all these accolades was not drafted I think the the the biggest most agree just one where you say man why is this still happening it's Kenny Washington for Kenny Washington was very rubs his teammate that's correct that's correct something that is very very interesting there were three backfield stars of the UCLA Bruins in nineteen thirty nine Kenny Washington woody strode these are the men who re integrate the NFL in nineteen forty six and seven months later their old UCLA teammate Jackie Robinson integrated MLB in nineteen thirty nine Kenny Washington. as a half back he said he played five hundred eighty of six hundred total minutes for UCLA he led them both ways playing both ways he led the NCAA in rushing he won what was called the Douglas Fairbanks trophy was was a Heisman predecessor and everyone who won that trophy between the start of the NFL draft and the discontinuation of the trophy was drafted most in the first round except for Kenny Washington this I thought was very interesting in nineteen thirty nine there was a survey of over sixteen hundred college football players as they all filled out there all America ballots and Kenny Washington was the only one who was on every ballot unanimous unanimous Bob Waterfield who was his teammate in nineteen forty six with the rams as a quarterback hall of fame quarterback in nineteen seventy said that Kenny Washington was the greatest football player he ever saw. so Kenny Washington was not drafted in the NFL he played semi pro ball from nineteen forty to nineteen forty five when he came to the NFL. in nineteen forty six he had gone through a number of knee surgeries he wasn't the same player yet he still average six point one yards per carry he was still able to perform even with all the surgeries and one thing that I would like to see you know you you tweeted should the NFL apologize I think an apology is is appropriate it's overdue and be lovely but I think you need to look at something tangible one thing I would like to see is to start putting some of these men into the pro football hall of fame now this year coming up in twenty twenty the class of twenty twenty is going to be expanded from its typical about eight people two twenty in celebration of the hundredth. anniversary of the NFL and. I would like to see Duke Slater Kenny Washington woody strode Joe Lillard channel ray camp in the hall of fame so I think that that is something that tangibly as as as a starting point is something that can be measured them as realize that's listening knowledge may be on the policy in the in the bring it. MLB did the same with the bigger the bring and black players for the blood in the vial finally yeah but was amazed by the end of a start up in the written in with with what quite out for twelve years right and today it is with the version and things in sports science well since I'm in a field near the black today them isn't mentioned legal because of their dreams of murder the world as the team feels a presence that one's future phones we'll see what the new about kneeling. zero percent even today the legacy of racism continues yeah absolutely that's right we have thirty two teams the NFL thirty one of the owners are white I think something that's very interesting when I look at history and your student of history and and a store go figure and when I look at history I look for the tie ins and there are four teams today that are still owned or co owned by the families that owned them during the band's so the Chicago Bears on by then cast these the New York Giants co owned by the Mara family the Steelers with the Rooney's and the cardinals with the bed wells so if you look at you know people say oh why we talking about this this is so long ago well it's it's right there I mean the the same families in some cases who were involved that are involved now now George McCaskey I think has been a wonderful steward of the team I I've got nothing ill to say to him and he supports one of my favorite organizations my block my head my city and just a player is his players and and former players I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him what I would be interested to know. and the reason I wrote the story is when they were selecting these nineteen thirty six throwback jerseys which they will wear twice this season and all first wear them September twenty ninth coming up against the Vikings and they're they're they're they heard fabulous looking uniforms with the candy cane socks and the stripes on the shoulder there they look great I would be interested to know if there were any conversations that went beyond fashion because nineteen thirty six was the third year of this band so when Kyle fuller and to recall and modeled the jerseys in June when they announced at the team reunion they were the first black players to ever wear these jerseys I'd be interested to know if any of this was this discussed yeah I'd I'd realize all only because of your other than this this is a really brief although this is even among players. and this is not come the note a Twitter be a man I see it by if you if you banned players and man a recruiting there were no but referees my extension let codes and by extension black owners and the steam box for dirt cheap but that that yeah the she the Chicago cardinals were sold in nineteen thirty two and yeah it was it was like a quick deal from doctor David Jones Charles Bidwell like I said the teams are losing money the bears won the thirty two championship and they came out eighteen grand in the rat so there was there was a lot of difficulty pro football was still trying to convince fans that it was a worthwhile sport because college football had the tradition college football you know college football was the sport baseball boxing horse racing professional football was still struggling to find its footing and one thing that George Preston Marshall did was he was a showman and he and George Halas developed a number of rules that really help the game but again as I was looking at this I started to say well I bet that it was in this nineteen thirty three in February meeting owners meeting where this black band took shape and. again it's difficult because nothing is written down so there are there are some people who took me to task for having the word truth in the headline so the headline is the truth about George Halas and the NFL's ban on black players and I push back on that a little bit I said first of all. to me this truth this word truth means three things first it means simply acknowledging that this took place because it is an under discussed portion of NFL history. that's right exactly that's that's number one and and number two is a knowledge in that the way that the story has been told. is incomplete I have no doubt that that George Preston Marshall who famously once said I will have black players on the Harlem Globetrotters have white players who was the last owner to integrate his team and only did so with great pressure from the end of laci P. from the black press and from JFK's department okay there's a book on that. yeah and and so there was there was pressure there because of the stadium that they wanted to use which is now ours K. stadium so the truth though that I'm talking about is this idea that this happened for twelve years it could not have happened just with Marshall and the other men who we talk about there is big in their cities as George houses here so make no mistake George Halas I think was the biggest voice he was chairman of the rules committee he was the founding member of the league at that point but if I were a fan of the giants I would have focused a little bit more on tomorrow if I were a fan of the Steelers I would've folks a little bit more an art Rooney if I were a fan of the cardinals other folks a little bit more in terms of a real number curly Lambeau if I were a Packers fan how thank goodness I'm not of actors and via Pakistan I would my team would be one in now and I would focus a little bit more on curly Lambeau the point is is that I think when we look at these..
"charles bidwell" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"What gave it away? Josh the cameras the lights because he said he would have dressed differently. If he knew it was on TV. Oh, it's a good thing. He's good. Looking man. Couple of phone calls here. Let's see will in Palm Springs. Hi will. How are you? Hey, how you doing today? Goodwill, six to one eight. Bush as far as the Robert Kraft situation going he seems he's going to be one of the view owners have actually going into the hall of fame. Yeah. Do you think of all the stuff that's going on? You think this is actually gonna affect the decision of going in? Or they said delay. What is your input on that be careful when you turning? Thank you will. I like that. Yeah. Just turn signal, but I'm not gonna make short left turn here with my comment because you're not supposed to factor in off the field. With with these candidates for the whole fame. I don't know if it's different with owners since they're not actually on the field. But what else do you factor in? How your team performed? How many owners are in the pro football hall of fame? Because I just thought of that. But I thought the pro football hall of fame doesn't take into consideration things that happen off the they don't, but I'm wondering. Robert Kraft set up this system, the blueprint with Bela check and Brady or I. Your teams have won. And you've been an owner Jerry Jones goes in. But Jerry Jones did a whole lot for the growth expansion of lake. Robert Kraft has done a lot of that. And his teams have won more Super Bowls than anybody. Yes. Mclovin. I have some owners, Bert bell. Who was if former eagles owner Commissioner, okay, Charles Bidwell who owned the Chicago cardinals out Davis Eddy DeBartolo junior. Remember, he got Betty gets in. Yeah. I mean, I haven't heard anything that, you know, somebody saying that Robert Kraft won't get inner shouldn't get into the hall of fame. Just a couple more Halis Lamar hunt and Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones is in. So. Jerry Jones, and Robert Kraft are pretty much hand in hand with the expansion the growth of this league financially, but sorry, the the Rooney's Ralph Wilson junior also amongst that group of the bills owner Ralph Ralph Ellison on your he was a big he was well loved right except where he was thinking to taking the team to Toronto. They may have had a problem with that. All right. We'll take a break here when we come back. Tom Brady's rookie card set records by selling for four hundred thousand dollars. I wonder how much money I gave away when I was younger with my baseball. I didn't have football cards, not many. But I had a lot of baseball cards. We'll talk about this Brady rookie card in why it went for four hundred thousand dollars. Also, we'll check in with the great football analyst, Sean Salisbury will join us and that's coming up next nineteen after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick show. It happens to the best of us right before a big deadline or just when you're printing handouts for key presentation to printer runs out of ink tired of the frequent expense and hassle replacing in cartridges with internal Inc. Storage tank? Larger in cartridges and an intelligent page gouge that displays Inc levels, brother Inc. Vestment tank printers can literally change the way you Inc..
"charles bidwell" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Robert crap situations going. Seems to be one of the few that actually going into the hall of fame. Yeah. You think of all the stuff that's going on? You think this is actually got the decision of going in or at least delay? What is your input on that be careful when you're turning? Thank you. Well. I like that. Yeah. Just turn signal on. But I'm not gonna make a sharp left turn here with my comment because you're not supposed to factor in off the field. With with these candidates for the hall of fame. I don't know if it's different with owners since they're not actually on the field. But what else do you factor in? How your team performed? How many owners are in the pro football hall of fame? Because I just thought of that. But I thought the pro football hall of fame doesn't take into consideration things that happen off the they don't, but I'm wondering. Robert Kraft, set up this system, the blueprint with Bela check and Brady or. I. Your teams have won. And you've been an owner Jerry Jones goes in. But Jerry Jones did a whole lot for the growth expansion of league. Robert Kraft has done a lot of that. And his teams have won more Super Bowls than anybody. Yes. Mclovin. I have some owners, Bert bell. Who was if former eagles owner Commissioner, okay, Charles Bidwell who owned the Chicago cardinals, Al Davis, Eddy, DeBartolo junior. Remember he gets in. I mean, I haven't heard anything that you know, somebody's saying that Robert Kraft won't get inter shouldn't get into the hall of fame. Just a couple more Halas Lamar hunt and Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones is end. So. Jerry Jones, and Robert Kraft are pretty much hand in hand with the expansion the growth of this league financially, but sorry, the Rooney's Ralph Wilson junior also amongst that group, the bills owner, Ralph Ralph awesome. He was a big. He was well loved right except where he was thinking of taking the team to Toronto. May have had a problem with that. All right. We'll take a break here when we come back. Tom Brady's rookie card set records by selling for four hundred thousand dollars. I wonder how much money I gave away when I was younger with my baseball. I didn't have football cards, not many. But I had a lot of baseball Kurds. We'll talk about this Brady rookie card in why it went for four hundred thousand dollars. Also, we'll check in with the great football analyst, Sean Salisbury will join us and that's coming up next nineteen after.