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Chappaquiddick & Senator Ted Kennedy Pt. 2

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Chappaquiddick & Senator Ted Kennedy Pt. 2

"Time magazine Love Ted Kennedy in his final years in the mid to late `oughts the weekly Lee magazine published a number of profiles on the long-serving Senator has it began to succumb to health issues seemingly signaling that his time on this earth was coming coming to an end they wrote of his suffering how he had persevered through the tragic assassinations of his brothers John and Robert Kennedy and his own physical trauma from a nineteen sixty four plane crash that left him in chronic pain the articles covered his political legacy naming him as the lion of the Senate crediting him for Supporting Barack Obama in the Democratic primaries and leaving him toward his nomination for president his political record comes up two by two thousand eight Ted Kennedy was the third longest serving senator in the history of the union with eight consecutive terms serving the people of Massachusetts and America at large what the illustrious magazine failed to mention in these series of profiles was the great great black mark of Ted Kennedy's career in July of nineteen sixty nine in the middle of the night. Ted Kennedy drove his car. You're off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts in crashed into a pond. The car quickly sank Kennedy managed to to escape but his passenger twenty eight year old Mary Jo Kopechne he was pinned. She drowned in the dark Ted Kennedy. It did not report the incident for ten hours what happened during that time has led to numerous theories about timelines intentions NHS drunk driving and cover-ups orchestrated by powerful individuals all of its swirls around the question. What really really happened that night? What exactly did Ted Kennedy get away with <music>? Welcome to conspiracy theories apar- cast original every Wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's as most controversial events and search for the truth. I'm Carter Roy and I'm Ali Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded minded skeptical and curious. Don't get US wrong. Sometimes the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not this is our second second and final episode on the Chappaquiddick incident of Nineteen sixty-nine when rising star Senator Ted Kennedy crashed his car into a pond on on Chappaquiddick island the incident resulted in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne any and to this day there are questions regarding how she died why she was in the a car and what led Ted Kennedy to wait ten hours before notifying the authorities that he had left a woman trapped in the submerged vehicle. This episode is as part of our casts summer of sixty nine event till I twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite par- cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing were tightening deep into the summer America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. 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This is our second and final episode on the Chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine when rising star Senator Senator Ted Kennedy crashed his car into a pond on Chappaquiddick island the incident resulted in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne e and to this day there are questions regarding how she died why she was in the car and what led Ted Kennedy to wait ten hours before notifying lying the authorities that he had left a woman trapped in a submerged vehicle. The chappaquiddick incident is among the most famous political scandals in American history three and is seen as the key reason that Ted Kennedy never had the chance to follow in his brother's footsteps for real shot at a presidential run but the legacy of the entire affair is inherently problematic in no small part because we tend to refer to it as a political scandal and not on a case of manslaughter over the past ten years ever since Ted Kennedy passed away at has come to be accepted that the real story story of Chappaquiddick may never be known after all the two people who were in the car that night are both dead and gone and this episode episode. We're going to examine the unanswered questions that still swirl today over the chappaquiddick incident our first conspiracy theory is the Ted Kennedy's Kennedy's account of when he left the Party and when he crashed is false this is best evidenced by the so called missing our between when and Ted Kennedy left the Party and when he was supposedly spotted by a sheriff's deputy over an hour later our second conspiracy theory is that Ted Kennedy he was intoxicated or otherwise impaired that night and that this was the reason for both the crash and his actions immediately following it finally Ted Kennedy waited ten hours before he reported the crash. It's been suggested though obviously never proven that Mary Jo lived for much longer than initially suspected and that she may have been rescued. If only Ted had gone for help in our last episode we discussed the decades long series of events that ultimately led to Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne e attending that party on Chappaquiddick island on the evening of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine ted was the youngest son of Joseph Kennedy Senior. The New England millionaire and Patriarch of of the Kennedy Family Joe Senior groomed his sons to succeed in politics but between nineteen forty four and nineteen sixty eight he he saw his hopes dashed as each of his three eldest sons. I tragically young Joe Kennedy Junior died in nineteen forty four while while on a combat mission in World War Two president John F. Kennedy was assassinated in nineteen sixty three and Robert Bobby Kennedy was gunned down in nineteen eighteen sixty eight all of a sudden there was only Ted Kennedy who had been expelled from Harvard for cheating and had a criminal record for reckless is driving Ted worked to make himself into the kind of man who could truly honor the Kennedy name by nineteen sixty nine it was widely assumed from that he would make his first bid for the presidency against incumbent Richard Nixon in nineteen seventy two but then chappaquiddick happened July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine was supposed to be a day of Reunion in celebration. Ted organized denies a reunion of the six boiler room girls former staffers of Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign. Mary Jo was among these women. The day I saw the attendees partake in a boat race and a barbecue before retiring to a rented cottage on Chappaquiddick island to continue the party our first conspiracy Chrissy theory concerns a time discrepancy in the official account of what happened on the night of the eighteenth. Could it be possible that there really was a missing kissing our intense account the theory of the missing our comes primarily from Deputy Sheriff Christopher look who was on the roads on Chappaquiddick after midnight on the night of the incident recall according to Ted Kennedy's testimony. He left the party at around eleven fifteen pm. He encountered Mary Joe on his way out. She told him she was not feeling well and asked him to give her a ride back to her hotel. Chappaquiddick is not a large patch of land. It would have been only about two miles from the cottage to the ferry that would have taken Ted's car to the mainland and it was only one mile from the cottage to the bridge where Ted ultimately crashed his car given the Ted believed he was driving at a speed of around twenty miles per hour. It should should've been mere minutes between when he drove off from the Party and when he crashed the deputy sheriff looks account paints a different picture that night look had been working at a dance in the Yacht Club at Martha's vineyard he was there until after midnight and then made his way across the narrow channel to return to his home on Chappaquiddick island according to look he was approaching chappaquiddick roads one main intersection intersection the same intersection where Ted Kennedy would later claim to have made a wrong turn when he spotted a dark four door sedan pulled over at the side side of the road looks headlights made it clear that a man was driving in the woman was sitting in the passenger seat look assuming that the driver and passenger may debut lost got out of his vehicle and approached it but as he got close the car lurched into gear and barreled on down Dyke road toward toward dike bridge this was at twelve forty in the morning nearly an hour and a half after Kennedy had left the Party with Mary. Mary Jo Look didn't commit the cars full license plate to memory but he did remember that it contained in l. and two sevens after the bazaar encounter look continued down Chappaquiddick road and encountered some of the party guests outside the cabin he asked if any of them knew about about a black sedan. None of them could confirm whether it belonged to Kennedy even though most of the people at that party likely knew the Kennedy had arrived in a block four door oldsmobile but there are two facts that connect a car that look had seen with Ted Kennedy's car won won Ted Kennedy's license plate number was L. Seven eight Dash Two oh seven it contained in l. and two sevens just like look described ascribed more damning is the fact that look was one of the first responders on the scene when the car was discovered and pulled from the water on the morning of July nineteenth eighteenth at the scene he noted that he had seen that same car the night before if look really saw Kennedy's car that would mean a full ninety minutes passed between when Kennedy left the Party was Mary Jo and when he crashed his car off dike bridge this naturally leads to the question of what happened during that missing time and why would kennedy lie about it. was there more to the story of what happened that night before with a crash. Could it be possible that Ted's intentions for Mary. Jo were less than honorable or maybe even that she was dead before the car. I sank into the river. It's no worthy that Kennedy claimed to have been back in his hotel by two twenty five in the morning given the distance between the crash site the cottage and Kennedy's own statement about how he recruited Paul Markham in Joe Gorgan to try and Rescue Mary Jo from the car it would have been possible for him to be back in the hotel that time if he crashed the car at eleven fifteen but the time line seems much less likely if he actually crashed the car closer to one in the morning this particular theory deal simply with whether Ted Kennedy crashed when he says he did unfortunately there's not much to go off of besides two conflicting accounts from fifty years ago although don't forget the Ted did speak to the innkeeper at his hotel and that was believed to have happened between two and three in the morning honestly what seems most likely is that both Ted Kennedy and look are telling what they believed to be the truth if look got his time wrong then it's entirely possible that he did see Ted and Mary Jo in the car but <music> at an earlier time than twelve forty A._M.. But this still doesn't account for why Ted didn't mention pulling over on the side of the road I give it a nine out of tin that the official stories timeline is falls at least to some degree what I'm not sure about is whether that's intentional or just a byproduct kicked of Ted failing to recall exact details about a night where he crashed his car nearly drowned and probably when to some degree of shock no regardless regardless of intent looks story does raise some questions why was Kennedy pulled over in the first place and if he was telling the truth. Why did his version version of the story not explain why he was pulled over that night? Could it be that he didn't remember pulling over in the first place or perhaps Ted needed it to withhold the real reason that he was pulled over. Could it be that he realized he needed to sober out next. 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There was plenty of time for Kennedy to craft his story. Our second conspiracy theory is that Ted Kennedy he was either intoxicated or otherwise impaired when he crashed the car even if he wasn't this theory puts forth that something was off with his State of mind that night and whatever it was directly led to the crash and Mary Jo's death when the story of the accident I broke. There were two main in questions that arose. What was Mary Jo Kopechne e doing in Ted Kennedy's car and was Ted Kennedy Drunk Ted Kennedy. He didn't drive at least didn't often drive given his substantial personal fortune and high status as United States. Senator Ted had a chauffeured referred to cover. Most of his transportation needs in fact. Ted's personal chauffeur. John Crimmins was at the cottage party on Chappaquiddick island on the night of the incident. prims was a guest. That's considered to be true but he was also there in some capacity as Ted Kennedy's driver river so when Ted Kennedy prepared to leave. Why didn't crimmins leave with him when asked later? Ted stated that he didn't want to pull crimmins wins away from the party to take him home. CRIMMINS was still enjoying his meal and the company. It's odd the crimmins would be preoccupied with a meal since it was after eleven at night when Kennedy made to leave that maybe that really was the case given the full day of partying and relaxing. There's one thing to note here though we're unsure what to read into it. According to the official account Ted Kennedy retrieved his car keys from crimmins after Mary. Jo asked him for a ride home. This could mean that Ted was planning on having crimmins drive him home until Mary. Jo asked for a ride. If he wasn't planning on driving he might have been drinking. Mary Jo by all accounts was a smart capable woman and it would have been very out of character for her to be drinking drinking heavily at an event like this but she hadn't driven herself to the party and thus wouldn't have needed to worry about keeping an eye on her drinking. There are some uncorroborated reports that she had drunk at least some amount of alcohol at the party. She may not have been impaired but she also may not have noticed if Ted was not in a condition to drive now crimmins was both Kennedy's driver and occasional aid he knew the man well and it's not a stretch to to assume that he would have noticed if Ted was too drunk to drive himself. The fact that he handed over the keys to the car would seem to indicate that as far as the partygoers eighty goers were concerned. Ted was only fine the big discrepancy that may lead one to ask if Ted was drunk or not has to do with the geography a Chappaquiddick island itself. Chappaquidick has one main road one that Ted Mary Jo had both ridden along multiple times throughout that a day Chappaquiddick road tracks along about two miles from the ferry point before making a right turn into the more residential area that turn occurs at the intersection with Dyke road again. This was really the only major road on the island and even at night Kennedy would have known known that to get to the ferry from the cottage he would have had to just follow Chappaquiddick road. Keep left at the fork and then take it all the way to the ferry. So how did he instead manage to turn left on Dyke Road and moreover. Why did he stay on Dyke Road after the turn Dyke road was unpaved and it should have been evident immediately to Ted that he'd made a wrong turn of course if he'd been drunk that might explain how he'd be able to get so turned around but it's also possible that Ted had not done much driving over the island crimmins was with him and it's possible that Ted had been preoccupied with some matter or another as criminals handled the driving and thus ted wasn't as familiar with the roads as he should have been but again if if that was the case why would crimmins let Ted drive on the Unfamiliar Island Roads At night. Ted was asked this very question when he was interrogated gated by police after he confessed fleeing the scene of the accident according to him he'd actually never been on Chappaquiddick island prior to to that day and so he didn't know the roads at all he visited Martha's vineyard plenty of times in his life but never chappaquiddick the question in how Ted Kennedy came to make that wrong turn and why he continued to drive at a speed of twenty miles per hour down an unpaved road becomes more more complicated when you consider the testimony of deputy sheriff look remember look claims that he spotted the black sedan that was likely Kennedy's hold over near the intersection of Chappaquiddick road and Dyke road. He exited his vehicle and approached with the sedan shot away before he could could get a good look at the driver. It's been suggested though obviously not proven the Ted. Kennedy saw look approaching the car either because he knew he was drunk or because he knew the optics of being caught alone in a car with a woman who wasn't his wife would be potentially damaging to his career. Kennedy realized he couldn't let look identify him so he put the car in gear and pulled away not realizing that he had taken a wrong turn down dyke road toward dike bridge was so focused on not being seen that he didn't track how fast he was driving or the directs new is heading until it was too late and he drove off the bridge of course this theory hit something of a snag when we consider what happened after the crash if if Ted Kennedy was so drunk that he managed to crash his car into the pond on earth was cogent enough actually get himself out of the car. Maybe he got lucky. The question of how Ted Kennedy managed to free himself from the submerged vehicle while Mary Jo remains stuck will likely never be he answered additionally. We'll never know the real reason why Kennedy didn't stop at any houses on his track back to the party to get help. The walk from the crash site back to the cottage is roughly one. Mile Ted Kennedy passed at least one house that had its porch light on and he also passed the firehouse house on his way back. It's been stated though not totally confirmed that he passed up to four houses that had their porch lights on during his walk back to the cottage. One of the most damning actions Kennedy took in this story is not running up to any of these homes and asking to use the telephone to call for help. Kennedy would later say he was exhausted and in shock from the near death experience of the crash is mine wasn't in the right place and thus he didn't grasp ask that he should have rushed to the nearest house and immediately sought help but if Kennedy was drunk it would also explain why he didn't talk to anyone on his way back act cottage until he rendezvous with Guardian and Markham Kennedy didn't inform the police of the accident until ten hours after it occurred because of the time lapse there was no way for anyone to administer a sobriety test all they had to go off of was Ted Kennedy's word and so barring a confession from Kennedy admitting that he'd been impaired there was no way nor will there ever be a way to determine if he he was drunk when he got behind the wheel of his oldsmobile in his statement to the public on July twenty fifth nineteen sixty nine. Ted Reemphasized besides that he was not intoxicated. He made sure to note that his doctors had retroactively diagnosed him with a concussion and was shock but he didn't didn't want us these conditions to justify his actions how noble of him and that was it. Ted Kennedy stuck to that official story for the rest in his life and no one who is at the party ever came forward to make an on the record statement that they witness. Ted Drinking that night and so all we can really really do is guest the validity of this theory. I'll give this one six out of ten. It's impossible to prove in. It's completely plausible. The tape Kennedy really was just that unfamiliar with the roads on Chappaquiddick island but consider the numerous events that raise questions. Ted Likely thought he wouldn't have to drive in self that night since his driver was present at the party he was more than likely spotted by Deputy Sheriff Look but drove off before he could be identified identified. You somehow failed to grasp that he was on the wrong road despite the lack of pavement and he wasn't able to stop the car fast enough even after Dike Bridge Ridge became visible in his headlights. He didn't alert anyone that might be able to help rescue Mary. Jo and he only confessed to fleeing the scene. After after it would be impossible to determine his level of sobriety. That's a lot of damning facts all of which can be explained by intoxication. Ted Kennedy claimed he wasn't in his right mind after the crash he may have actually been telling the truth but lied about the reason one more major question about chappaquiddick that really shows the level to which Ted Kennedy's actions were unforgivable at question is how along it Mary Jo Kopechne e live after the crash. We'll discuss that and the likelihood of a cover up after this now the conclusion to the story. We've discussed the inconsistencies in the official account of what happened in the late hours of the evening on Chappaquiddick Island and we've discussed the likelihood that Ted was drinking on the night of the accident however ever all of these unanswered questions still don't address one of the key questions in this incident. How much was Ted Kennedy to blame for what happened so let's take a second and assume that the official story is as Ted told it he got turned around on the road crashed. The car thought he was is doing everything he could save Mary Jo but was so shocked by the crash that he wasn't thinking straight. His inaction almost becomes palatable eligible. If you accept that all these things are true assuming that he was correct in thinking Mary Jo Really did perish just minutes after the car hit the water our last theory examines the actual death of Mary Jo Kopechne -I the confirmed cause of death and the question Stian of how long she may have survived in the car after Ted abandoned her recall. The generally known facts of the crash Ted Kennedy was driving. Mary Joe was in the passenger seat. He was tearing down the unpaved. Unlit Dyke Road at around twenty miles an hour when he spotted the end of the road marked by dike hike bridge in the pond beyond Ted couldn't hit the brakes fast enough and the car crashed over the edge of the drop off and hit the water it turned over whereas it submerged landing on its roof at the foot of the pond ten feet below the surface. Ted was able to get free from the car and swim to the surface he claimed to have swum back down to the car a number of times to try and free Mary Jo but he was disoriented from the shock of the crash and the water was pitch black so he couldn't see her well enough to help by the time. Tan decided to leave the scene in return to the cottage. Several minutes had passed. He assume that too much time had passed since the car sunk below the surface and that there was no way that Mary Jo could still be alive. She must have drowned wound. This conclusion also makes up for part of Ted's justification for not telling more people about the crash until the next morning with the darkness of the night and the cold water he worried that if he started to tell the other party guests it might prompt a wider rescue attempt and even more people could've gotten hurt the claim that he was protecting the other women at the party from sharing Mary. Jo's fate doesn't really hold up at all. It doesn't especially especially given the fact that Ted passed a firehouse on his way back to the cottage and could have roused trained rescue professionals easily but the extent end of Ted's negligence became more complicated after the car with Mary Jo Kopechne as bodies still inside was retrieved the next morning on the morning of July nineteenth while head was mulling over his options at his hotel a fisherman and his son spotted the car on the bottom of the the pond fire and rescue or summoned to examine and recover the car at approximately eight forty five in the morning John Farrar captain. The fire rescue unit arrived with scuba gear. He swam down to the car and found Mary. Jo's body inside. He removed her from the vehicle and carried her back to the shore. The subsequent investigation published the position. Mary Jo's body was in when she was found. Donald Mills tells the medical examiner who performed the autopsy to Claire Drowning as the cause of death. This would be in line with the story that Ted Kennedy told but there were dissenters in John Farrar is account. He describes Mary Jo's body as he found her. She was in the back seat of the car with her hands clenched around the underside of the seats and her head pressed against the back footstool. Her position in the back seat is likely part of the evidence used when proposing the theory that Mary Jo was asleep in the back seat of the car but Farrar offers a different explanation. Ferrara Aurora believed that Mary Jo managed to climb in the back seat of the submerged overturned car. Her head placement indicated that she was positioning earning herself to keep her head in an air bubble within the car with that in mind. It's possible that the cause of death wasn't drowning rather. Mary Jo suffocated as she slowly used up all the oxygen in the car. This also raises the Morbid question of how long Mary Jo was down down there struggling to breathe waiting for help that never came and Ferraris own words. If Ted Kennedy had called for help immediately you could have gotten married joe out of the car within twenty five minutes of the crash. Farrar went so far as to estimate that Mary Jo could have lived for. Up to two hours after the crash and thus could have been saved if only Ted had gone for help given how explosive that information is wonders whether it came up during the subsequent investigation and trial well it did but only in the sense that Farrar was not allowed to testify his opinions about how Mary Jo could have lived for longer for our would stayed in interviews that he wanted to give his statement taint Kennedy's prosecutor but he was never summoned Kennedy justified leaving the scene of the accident by claiming he was tired in shock doc and that enough time had passed that he was sure Mary Jo had drowned. We know this for sure. However Long Mary Jo did manage Wjr to survive down there? She'd been dead for hours when her body was finally recovered then again. Is there a sliding scale of blame dependent on how long long it took Mary Jo Kopechne in to die is Ted Kennedy less culpable for what happened. If Mary Jo was already dead when he fled the scene the numbers not not exact but there have been cases in which a drowned person has been resuscitated up to forty or even fifty minutes after they stopped breathing the the window for recovery can be even longer if hypothermia is in play the water around Chappaquiddick island would have likely been in the low to high sixties on that night though it could have been potentially lower since the son had been set for several hours though it's not freezing temperatures it is possible for hypothermia to set in if a body is submerged in water of that temperature for a prolonged amount of time. All of this is to say that if ted Ted Kennedy had gone immediately for help. It's entirely plausible that Mary Jo could have been rescued from the car. Andrew desiccated was the right medical. Oh care she may have even been able to make a full recovery. We'll never know what was possible because due to Ted Kennedy's inaction. Mary Jo wasn't recovered until ten hours after she went in the water. There is no rating for this one. Whether Mary Jo survived for hours I lasted. Only minutes doesn't really change take Kennedy's actions. Even if Mary Jo died quickly after the crash as Ted suspected he should have done on everything possible to save her he didn't and now we'll never know if Mary Jo could have been rescued. We're going to wrap up by going <music> over some of the smaller alternative theories about what really happened on the night of July eighteenth to start. We're going to examine one theory that further further removed blame from Kennedy on account of the fact that he wasn't even driving the car when it crashed according to this line of thinking king after Kennedy spotted look he pulled over on Dyke Road and not out of the car his plan was to walk back to the cottage inch and get a ride from someone else leaving Mary Jo to drive tents car back to the hotel. Mary Jo was unfamiliar with the Bulky Unwieldy L. D. Oldsmobile like Ted. She didn't even have a sense of where she was on the road until it was too late and she had driven off the bridge and into the Water Ted was still walking back towards the cottage. When the crash happened he rushed to the scene and tried to save Mary Jo but couldn't and the rest of the events generally carried out as the official story says they did this one of course raises the question of why Ted would claim he was driving the car Dr if he really wasn't when the fact that he hadn't even been in the car help absolve him of guilt? The car was still his Ted might have suspected suspected that few people would believe that he would have let Mary Jo drive his car alone claiming to have been driving would have actually raised fewer questions than telling the truth and he hadn't been in the car at all <hes> this one feels a little flimsy what seems more likely as that the more outlandish theories like this one came about as a result of the gap in understanding because we simply don't know every detail of what happened in the minutes leading up to the accident it it is possible to put out a wide range of alternatives series of events this next one however might actually have some way to it. According to one theory Mary Jo Kopechne he actually tried to leave the party much earlier than eleven fifteen she was tired and may have even been suffering from a headache. She knew knew she wasn't in a state to drive and she didn't want to bother any ever fellow guests so she stepped outside the cottage and crawled into the back of Ted's Oldsmobile a bill to take a nap Ted Dro- of made a wrong turn and crashed the car all while being unaware that Mary Jo was asleep in his backseat. Now this may seem to help absolve him further and explain why he waited to report the accident. There would have been much less of a rush to get the police involved if Ted didn't I didn't know there was someone trapped in the car but again we come back to the question of why did Ted Kennedy never clarify that while dish inally both growth garden and Markham said the Ted had told them about Mary Jo on the night of the accident right after it happened all in all we think the theories that modify modify who was driving and what Ted Kennedy New Are Pretty Flimsy. The official story Ted was driving. Mary Jo was in the passenger seat and Ted knew that she was still in the car. When he failed to report? The accident still seems most likely the remaining question though concerns ends one of the most damning mysteries of this entire incident hearing all of this. You have to wonder how on Earth Kennedy Kennedy managed to walk away from this event serve no jail time and continue on to a successful decades long career as a United States senator in interviews conducted in the years after the chappaquiddick incident John Farrar and others indicate that there was some kind of cover up our final final tag conspiracy tackles the question of whether there was a cover up in the chappaquiddick incident. I want to say outright. I don't think there it was at least not in the way that some do on the fact that Ted Kennedy was tried for the crime of leaving the scene of an accident and even sentenced to jail l. time albeit in a suspended sentence kind of removed this event from cover up territory. This feels more like old money New England exerting influence to minimize the damage after all. No one at the party knew that Mary Joe had left in the hours after it happened since she left her. I behind Kennedy's driver John Crimmins was at the party. It was totally possible course of action for Ted to insist that crimmins women's jump in the water and then tell everyone that crimmins was the one driving the car during the crash Kennedy also could've put Markham or garden up up to admitting that they were the ones behind the wheel he allegedly did this but that story comes from disgruntled residents of Martha's Vineyard and unfortunately there's little truth to back it up. We don't think there was a sinister cover up in chappaquiddick because the car was found and linked to Kennedy before he would have been enable to organize one now that isn't to say that he wasn't considering it consider the fact that he made a point to speak with the innkeeper of his hotel at two in in the morning and fresh clothes effectively establishing something like an alibi but then again why go to the police if that was his plan plan even after the car was linked to him Kennedy could have claimed to have not been the driver used the conversation with the innkeeper as his support that he was in his hotel and have one of his men. Take the fall for the accident. Maybe he didn't because he knew through his lawyers has friends his power as a senator and the influence of the Kennedy name he would turn out just fine and he did though the chappaquiddick scandal did prevail prevail over Kennedy's future efforts to run for president and likely is the key reason he never made it to the Oval Office. It's not like Kennedy's life was ruined in the aftermath of the incident. During his televised speech Kennedy called on the people of Massachusetts to help them work through the incident don't they did. I re electing him. Consistently over the next four decades and people today are entitled to representation by men who inspire their utmost competence this reason I would understand full well why some might think it bright for me to resign so I ask you tonight. Igla Massachusetts think this through with me in facing this decision you think your advice making it. I think you're praised the chappaquiddick. Incident is one of the most famous scandals in American can political history. There are few instances in the history of our country were a sitting politician was embroiled in a case of manslaughter and managed manage to save some of his career in the fallout. We'll never know the full true story of what happened on that dark night in July the two people oh who did are dead in their wake. All we can do is wonder overall. There's a clear theory that seems to be the absolute right eight one the missing our does seem to be real. It's more than likely that Ted Kennedy's timeline of events regarding when he left the Party and when he crashed is not accurate and the deputy sheriff look did spot his car pulled over on the side of the road after midnight however we can't steed whether whether this was deliberate deception Kennedy's art or just a false recollection of events if we accept that the missing our is real it also becomes uh-huh easier to accept that Ted was drunk or at least somewhat impaired that night in that it factored into the crash and his actions in the hours following but again it's impossible to save for sure and the case of Chappaquiddick the official story likely isn't the full truth but with fifty fifty years common gone since it happened. It's the only truth we're ever going to get <music>. 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Conspiracy theories was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and as part of the par cast network it is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler sound sound design by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley this episode Soda Conspiracy Theories was written by calling McLaughlin and Stars Molly Brandenburg and Carter Roy and now that this episode is finished. Here's the clip of our first episode of the par cast original con artists. It's about Bernie madoff off a top Wall Street market maker who operated an elaborate Ponzi scheme and con thousands of clients out of almost sixty five billion dollars search for and subscribe to Con Artists On spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash con artists to listen now now. It's a rainy morning on Lexington Avenue in New York City. The Sky brightened slightly a special agent ca troby and agent Kong park the car the December sunrise makes little difference to CA- tropy who's been up since four four A._M.. Working this case just off to seven thirty they enter the luxury apartment building situated a myth three blocks from central park among the agents flash their badges at the doorman and take the elevator to the penthouse they here to catch a thief. The two young agents surprised to find the man waiting at the penthouse tool though he wears a pale blue bathrobe. He doesn't look like a man who's been up late partying in fact with his silver hair and wrinkles. He doesn't look like a man who's ever up late partying surprisingly he's smooth and collected and simply not when the officials ask if he knows why they're here he's being betrayed by his own sons. After a short chat agents could Shopian Kong allow the thief to dress he chooses expensive clothing from the penthouse closet and agrees to go into the F._B._i.'s offices for questioning the agent pulls out his handcuffs and tells the man to extend stint his arms as the cold metal manacles click around Bernie madoff wrists sixty four point eight billion in dollars vanish forever much of it will never be returned because most of that money money in retirement accounts charity endowments family fortunes never existed in the first place it was to quote made off just one big lie welcome to con artists apart cost original. I'm Alistair maiden every week we peel back the layers of history's greatest deceptions and tell the stories of the hustlers swindlers and fraudsters that orchestrated castrated them. I'll dive into their psychology breakdown that tricks and explain why anyone might full for a con- connaught says seeks to explore cons this from all angles the perpetrator the victim the world they lived in and the thing that forced them to fool O._B.. Now first episode we'll cover the upbringing and early influences of our fraudster will understand what experiences shaped their mindset and historical context then informed their ability to perpetrate their cons in Partu. We'll watch the wheels come off their scheme. As their victims recognized the lie. We'll detail how our subject was eventually caught the fallout and where they are today today. We're beginning the story of Bernie madoff architect of the world's biggest known Ponzi scheme in part one of our investigation. We'll dive into the life of Bernie madoff and try try to understand why a man already inundated with incredible wealth which assigned to orchestrate history's largest financial scam next week impart to we'll follow the S._e._C.'s near misses in a decade long game of cat and mouse and the catalyst that finally brought made off down from the nineteen eighties through two thousand eight having an investment account with Bernie Ernie made off was either a much sought after privilege and up across status symbol or something you're completely in the dark about but everything about these investments investments everything made of created was a complete lie. His downfall left many trusting clients destitute and the weld completely stunned at the magnitude of his deception he stole from celebrities billionaire investors Holocaust survivors athletes and team owners he stole from individuals and charities retirement funds and nest eggs. He stole from his friends. He stole from his family. The web of deceit was so complex that a significant portion of those affected was shocked to learn that they were defacto clients of of medoff's as many as thirty seven thousand people felt the devastating fallout of made offs demise. It was truly the biggest financial scandal in world history. His modus operandi was a fairly standard Ponzi scheme named for Conman Charles Ponzi. A ponzi scheme is a redistribution of wealth hiding behind a fake investment scheme it takes money from new investors and handed to old ones. I meaning that the only way to pay the old investors is to find more and more people to buy into the fraudulent system without a steady stream of new blood. The entire operation goes up in flames. It is a system always on the verge of disaster and and it is completely illegal but he didn't just use this Ponzi scheme to prey on Americans made off stretched his close to Europe South South America even Africa by two thousand eight made of claimed he had sixty eight point four billion dollars in assets under management don't and yet for decades made off was known as a genius called magnetic and reassuring by those who bragged about ultimate the country clubs and charity guards. They likened him to his personal symbol. The bull as in bull market made off decorated rated his office with Bulls to match this perfectly crafted image is what allowed made off to thrive his trademark charismatic charismatic presence and manufactured mystique shrouded him behind an exalted reputation. He was immensely wealthy. He was of high taste he rarely met with clients but the ones that did meet him assured potential customers that investing with Bernie NATO was the closest thing to assure diabet- Wall Street could offer a con artist operates on what people people believe about them more than anything else and Bernie Madoff was tinkering with his public image as soon as he could do business made off was born April twenty ninth nineteen thirty eight in Queens New York Bernie's father Ralph ran a sporting goods store for most of his childhood good but in the nineteen fifties the store went out of business leaving the family in dire straits this failure burned itself in Bernie's mind and he did not under any circumstance wants to ever fail his family in such a way he would do whatever it took to avoid wait the pangs of unstable economic security and would cultivate a life that made failure impossible it was this obsessive quest quest for stability that instigated his relentless pursuit of wealth but it was also why he fell in love at such a young age at Sixteen Bernie mets thirteen year old ruth alpern. He was a son kissed boy scouts and lifeguard. She be a bubbly low rents goal. They married five years later in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine when he was at Hofstra and she was at Queens College most immediately made of turned his attention toward achieving the type of success that would place him among the American economic elite a few weeks off to the wedding adding while still a college senior. He filed the papers to open Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities Aka B. L. M._I._s. like most twentysomethings not something to start their own business made offer light on friends and family to get off the ground. Luckily for him made offs new father-in-law Saul Alpern had his own an accounting firm and began referring his clients friends and family members to Medoff Alpin even gave made off a desk in his office somewhat that's ironically made of first and most important goal was to gain and build the trust of his clients. It came naturally to him. Even at such a young teenage he was charismatic driven outgoing and dedicated to making everyone around him as rich as possible unfortunately eh it was this very penchant for trust that would ultimately push into betray the tens of thousands of people that relied on him made offset investing with a strategy called riskless arbitrage which involve buying stock at one price while having already locked in a sale the same stock at a higher price he was able to buy and sell the same stock simultaneously thanks to the fact that at the time most host major cities had their own stock market according to financial journalists Diana Henry Kes- it's a rule in investment advising to only recommend suitable investments suitability is determined by investors willingness and ability personal circumstances to to take on a certain level of risk. This rule is legally enforced by government regulatory agencies like the Securities and Exchange Commission in the early sixties made off ignored the practice of suitability and put his clients investments into risky speculative new issue stock whether or not they'd be able to handle that amount of risk made of knew this was wrong and knew it was illegal. He did it anyway. His disregard netted made off securities almost thirty thousand dollars in cash by nineteen sixty two after just over two years in business. That's a little over a quarter million dollars today but in May nineteen sixty two the market crashed and just like that almost all of made offs clients suffered serious losses this put bunny at a crossroads that he he would face several times in his life a junction between his pride and the truth but as it did time and again made of ambition and persuasive arrogance knew that if he wanted to reach his goals admitting failure was not an option so he took the cash he had on hand and bought back his clients stocks at the price they invested effectively erasing using the losses because he was trading in the little known little regulated O._T._C. market. None of the clients were any the wiser they I still had their money and kept their investments and good faith in Bernie madoff whether he knew it's not made was laying out the groundwork for what social psychologist Marie Cocco Ver- identifies as the eight steps of the successful con. The first of these steps is finding a victim made of quickly realized that as long as his clients got their money back they weren't liable to ask too many questions the pursuit of money Johny left many to be easily manipulated but this manipulation would have to wait as Bernie's quick fix gave rise to a secondary problem mm-hmm while he had erased his clients losses thereby maintaining their trust he done it at the expense of all his money. There was no no way for him to continue his business and save face except there once Bernie had had married rich and with that came privilege he leveraged his close relationship with his father-in-law Saul Alpern to secure a loan to the tune of thirty thousand thousand dollars according to Medoff alpern loaned him the money and made off repaid him before the end of nineteen sixty four at this point. It seems that it just twenty six years old Bernie madoff had perfected his ability to gain people's trust he'd broken the law deceived his clients taken advantage of a family member and come out all the richer despite escaping this early scare made of still felt as though he had the long road ahead of him because he dealt in smaller markets with smaller clients. The WHO's who of Wall Street still gave him the cold shoulder made of himself admitted to journalists Steve Fishman that this treatment infuriated him as it only seemed to remind him that he was an outcast. Whatever life was like among the bigwigs of Wall Street Bernie wanted it and he would do whatever it took to get there after his father-in-law bail to amounts of a criminal stock trading failure in nineteen sixty two it appears Bernie madoff went legitimate? We say appears because it's unclear exactly when made off Ponzi scheme began both the F._B._i.. And his associate Frank De scally junior believed that the fraud stance it by the late nineteen seventies however no one has definitively proven this accusation so for this time period we have to take the stand in by of innocent until proven guilty but even if he wasn't engaging in crime outright he spent the next decade setting the stage for the greatest assist financial fraud in history through the nineteen sixties and Seventies Bernard L. made off investment securities grew into a robust but still small broker dealer business engaging an actual legitimate market making and proprietary trading each of these was a separate Britt legal arm within the same company B.. L. M._I._S. was soon considered a major market maker in O._T.. Stocks and then on the New York Stock Exchange according to fraud magazine made of S- firm with sometimes responsible for a whopping ten percent of stock volume traded in a single day but it wasn't as if ten percent of investors were working directly with madoff he engaged in payment for order flow this this is a somewhat controversial practice where a small brokerage firm directs their clients orders to a third party to execute the trade often without the client's clients knowledge the third party in this case made off then paid the smaller brokerage firm a fee for directing business to them the the standard fee being a penny per share. This allowed B. L. M. I. S. to execute large orders on the stock market and to quickly expand expand this only accelerated with the arrival of Peter Madoff Bernie's little brother after joining the firm in June one thousand nine hundred sixty nine pizza made off helped create groundbreaking computer trading systems instrumental to the firm success made of securities. I was always at the forefront of technological innovation on Wall Street and that's part of how Bernie's Ponzi scheme was able to thrive according turning to social psychologist Marie Cocco for cons thrive in terms of transition and fast change when new things are happening and the old ways as of looking at the world no longer suffice and in the advent of the computer age the made offs were right in the middle of perhaps the biggest cultural transition the world has ever seen Wall Street's brands new computer systems were right for deceit abuse and misunderstanding thing but at first they actually bolstered the Mehta family's reputation B. L. M._i._S. systems was soon licensed to other market makers and financial financial

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Summer of 69: Chappaquiddick Pt. 1

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Summer of 69: Chappaquiddick Pt. 1

"What's the most you've ever lost as the result of a mistake and item value and opportunity a relationship life is a series of decisions many of them binary each one offering potential paths that fate may take us down? Every action has an effect every choice a consequence and sometimes in the rarest of occasions a person is is presented with a life or death choice that will come to define them. That was the case for Senator Ted Kennedy in the summer of Nineteen sixty-nine on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts though the official account of what happened that night is somewhat muddled. The facts are as follows late at night after a party Kennedy set off down Chappaquiddick road in his oldsmobile with him was Mary Jo Kopechne acne a former campaign staffer for the recently-assassinated Robert Kennedy there was an accident. The car hit a barrier and flipped over into the water. Ted Got out and survived but Mary Mary Joe was left trapped in the car. Ted Kennedy did not inform the police about the accident until ten hours later when the car was recovered in Mary. Joe's body was found inside the initial reaction action from the divers was that she hadn't actually drowned she'd suffocated and if Ted Kennedy had called the police immediately she may still be alive today. Welcome to conspiracy theories apar- cast original every Wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth. I'm Carter Roy and I'm only Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get US wrong long. Sometimes the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not today. We're talking about the chappaquiddick incident when Massachusetts senator and one time aspiring president Ted Kennedy crashed his car into poke upon and fled the scene leaving his passenger Mary Jo Capac need to die in submerged vehicle Kennedy turned himself in and reported the accident to the police. The next day after the car was recovered with capacities. He's body inside the fallout from the scandal was the dominant force that prevented Kennedy from securing a nomination for president of the United States though fifty years have passed into the tragedy. There are still certain details details about what really happened that night that raise questions about a potential cover up was ted really driving the car. Why did he wait so long to report the accident? And what role did the various blueblood powerbrokers brokers have New England play in the saga that unfolded. This episode is part of par casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite park has shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary three of a landmark summer in American history summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit up boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals digging into the fallout M._l._k.'s assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Called M Mohammed Ali's banned from the boxing ring. You can find these specials and more all on our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network several you have asked how to help us if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star of you wherever you're listening it really does help. Scandal seems like a natural component of politics for as long as America has been a country the men and women who have sought the power and influence that comes with public office of open themselves up to public scrutiny the imaging and character emphasis that goes into making successful politician strives for an ideal perfect person but a perfect person doesn't exist and in the history of American politics is by and large defined by figures whose personal flaws boiled over to tarnish their pristine public images but the chappaquiddick incident stands apart even from the most appalling public scandals handles largely because it represented the final downfall of the Kennedy family to truly convey how impactful Chappaquiddick was on the Kennedy family in the country we need to I explore just how how powerful the Kennedys used to be. America is a Democratic Republic. It's built upon the ideas of individuals elected by the people to serve the people there has never been an American American king but for a large part of the first half of the twentieth century the Kennedys were probably the closest thing America had to a royal family. The Families Patriarch was Joseph Kennedy senior born in eighteen eighty eight juice of senior was a business magnate who made his fortune in the nineteen tans and nineteen twenties through the stock market and the investments in Hollywood based movie studios among other ventures aw there has been a long standing unconfirmed myth that Joseph Kennedy senior supplemented his already sizable fortune by smuggling liquor throughout the United States during the prohibition. Oh habituation period in the nineteen twenties. This rumor has been debunked a number of times. It's prevalence as part of justice. Kennedy's legacy is largely due to historians who seek define reasons why Joseph senior never ran for president of the United States and Joseph Senior also didn't do much to distance himself from the rumor especially after he secured the licenses to import liquor from England after prohibition was lifted in Nineteen thirty three by the end of the roaring twenties. Joseph Kennedy was rich powerful influential and ready to take the next step in securing his legacy by becoming involved in politics. His political career seemed to get off to the right start tart. He I became embroiled in politics in eighteen thirty two as a supporter for Franklin D Roosevelt's presidential campaign after Roosevelt one. He established the U._S.. Securities and Exchange Commission and appointed the Joseph Senior as its first chairman Joseph senior only served in the position for a year but his efforts to establish safeguards and regulations within the stock market made him a hero among investors Joseph senior continue continued to thrive within Roosevelt's administration. He had the support of America's growing population of Irish Catholics which at that point in American history were largely discriminated against by the Protestant majority. The Highest Office Joseph Elsa senior ever reached was ambassador to the United Kingdom a role he held from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen forty. Joseph Kennedy senior wasn't shy about his ambition to run for president in the nineteen forty election his position as ambassador would have put him in a prime spot to go for the nomination but his actions as ambassador would lead to his downfall. Joseph Joseph Senior made a number of political blunders while representing America to the United Kingdom. This was nineteen thirty eight during the build up to the outbreak of World War. Two in Europe and Joseph Senior wasn't as hard on Adolf Hitler Hitler as many felt he should be Joseph senior butted heads with Winston Churchill who famously spent the lead up to World War Two arguing that there was no negotiating with Hitler though he was the ambassador to the U._K.. Joseph senior in your spent a good deal of his time in London undercutting British interests by trying to establish a line of communication between the United States and Berlin after the war broke out in nineteen thirty nine Joseph senior took a staunch orange `isolation as position in argued against American aid to the United Kingdom. Even as it's towns were victims of nightly bombings by German planes and worst of all Joseph Kennedy was a not so private anti Semite as Nazi Germany furthered. It's horrific persecution of Europe's Jewish citizens Joseph Senior was quoted more than once saying something to the effect of quote. They brought it on themselves. Joseph Senior was not not popular in Britain and his war between America and Germany's seemed more and more like an inevitability his isolationist views came the define him as a defeatist non Patriot he wasn't outright fired from Roosevelt's votes administration the party still needed him to rally the Irish Catholic vote for the Democrats but he and the president had a falling out particularly after Roosevelt ran for and won his unprecedented third term Joseph Osa senior resigned as ambassador in nineteen forty. He tried to write his political image by offering to throw his considerable wealth and influence behind the American war efforts but his years of trying to appease Hitler and essentially essentially made him persona non grata among the allied leaders he had no choice but to resign from politics and give up any hope of becoming the first Irish Catholic president of the United States but Joseph Senior wasn't a man to. Abandoned his ambitions so easily. If he couldn't become president on his own he would make sure that his sons would there's a religious verse about how the sins of the father are visited on the sons but the same can be said the father's goals chose a senior had four sons Joseph Junior born nineteen fifteen john born nineteen seventeen Robert Born nineteen twenty five and finally Edward Known as Ted head born nineteen thirty two Joseph Junior. The oldest Kennedy Son was the one Joseph senior hoped would one day become president to that end Joe Senior greened Joseph Junior from a young age for life in politics and Joseph Junior took the role quite well he attended Harvard law school his father's Alma Mater but left in his final year to enlist with a navy and fight in World War Two his plan as he told hold his friends Mr Run for the House of Representatives in the nineteen forty-six election presumably after the war was over from there he would follow his own political star. All the way to the White House. Doc Plan never came to pass on August Twelfth Nineteen forty four Joseph Kennedy Junior was killed in action when his plane was shot down over England Joe Seniors perfect son his best is chance to put a Kennedy in the White House was gone and so the pressure fell to the second oldest Kennedy Boy John Up to that point John F. Kennedy head enjoyed relative freedom in life at least compared to his older brother John had spent most of his life in and out of hospitals in infirmaries for a number of chronic health issues including gastritis and back pain like Joseph Junior John had attended Harvard before enlisting to serve in the military for World War Two when he first joined the navy in nineteen forty one John Handsome ideas of what he wanted his life to be after the war prior to the war Kennedy had traveled to a number of countries including Germany and Britain and his college thesis about the Political Situation in Britain that would lead to the breakout of the war was actually published in nineteen forty John Out that this might be his calling as a political writer and reporter on everything changed when his brother died with Joe Juniors Death John was now the eldest Kennedy boy and after lifetime of being just to the side of his a father's focus John Kennedy was now Joseph Seniors mean project in Life Joe was going to put one of his sons in the White House and he did it. After World War Two Joseph Bankrolled Johns I campaign for representative of the Eleventh District of Massachusetts John One and served in the house for six years. He successfully ran for the Senate in Nineteen fifty-three in served as a Massachusetts senator for seven more years and in one thousand nine hundred sixty Joseph senior got his wish when John F. Kennedy was elected as the president of the United States he was the first Catholic to hold that position. This could have seem like something thing of a redemptive Ark for JOE senior after watching his own political career and losing the son whom he'd groomed for politics he was able to steer John's meteoric rise but the curse that some have rumored the plates the Kennedy Family would not be satisfied on November twenty second nineteen sixty three as John was touring the country in preparation for his reelection he was assassinated on the streets of Dallas John's legacy and by Extension Joseph Seniors Legacy was permanently tarnished by the tragedy all the John had done in all that he might have done as president was doomed to be overshadowed by the killing feeling but Joseph senior still had more sons with Joe Junior and John Deceased Robert Kennedy was now the oldest Kennedy Boy Robert had served as the attorney general under John's administration and many Kennedy Historians believe that Robert May have even been the choice for vice president in John's reelection campaign and for most of the late nineteen sixties. It seemed I'm like Robert had a straight path to the White House. After President Lyndon Johnson announced he would not seek reelection in nineteen sixty eight Robert was the natural choice to lead the Democratic ticket after the tragedy of John John Kennedy's death Robert Kennedy may have been the first Kennedy to become president and actually serve a full term but then in nineteen sixty eight just after he was declared the winner of the California Primary Robert Kennedy was shot. He died of his wounds. The next day in the span of twenty five years Joseph Kennedy senior had lost three sons to violence Ted. The youngest Kennedy Son who was is only thirty four was suddenly the heir apparent to the dynasty. All of Joseph Seniors hopes in ambitions rested on Ted Shoulders. The pressure was now on Ted to become the third Kennedy to run for president accident but his political career would be maligned by scandal long before he ever got the chance up next. We'll discuss the events of July Eighteenth Nineteen sixty-nine and the death of Mary Jo Kopechne E. Hi there if you enjoy this episode on Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident search conspiracy theories on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes. Let's now back to the story by the end of nineteen sixty eight three Joseph Kennedy senior sons had died Joe Junior John and now Robert Eh all been killed before they fulfil the extent of the ambition. Their father had Joseph Senior. Perhaps due to his own lodged intend to become president was adamant about putting the Kennedy Boys in the White House they we had succeeded with his second son. John John's political legacy was permanently interrupted when he was tragically assassinated in nineteen sixty three with Robert debt as well and just as he seemed to be on the cusp of kicking the office successful presidential campaign the weight of the Kennedy name nail fell to the youngest Kennedy son Ted Edward Teddy Kennedy or nineteen thirty two wasn't exactly exactly the black sheep of the Kennedy family but as the youngest of nine Children Teddy was afforded leeway to fail in a manner that his brothers were never allowed while Joe Senior had been laser focused on ensuring that joe junior are in to a lesser extent John Robert worked to succeed in every aspect of their lives so as to prepare them for life in the public spotlight he seemed to not have the same level of commitment to ensuring that Teddy Excelled Teddy we had middling grades throughout his childhood though his large-size made him a natural football player despite the lack of any real academic achievement he attended Harvard University for undergraduate just as his father and brothers had done sometimes a name is more important than a transcript teddy was in his freshman year in college while his brother John was serving his first term in the House of Representatives that combined with the families already notable profile across American news news and politics meant that there was a public spotlight on anyone with the Kennedy name as the youngest child teddy likely wasn't used to having much attention directed his way. This is why he probably thought he could get away with cheating cheating on an exam in his freshman year in nineteen fifty one teddy arranged for another student to take one of his exams he was caught and both students were expelled. That's not the kind of backstory WanNa see in and someone who wants to be president. Teddy expelled and with few options of other scores that would actually taken enrolled in the military he served for two years in the military police and Joseph senior used his own military connections actions to ensure that teddy wasn't deployed in the Korean War which was ongoing at that time teddy was discharged in nineteen fifty three at that time Harvard University allowed expelled students to apply for Readmission Shen after a few years teddy was readmitted again no doubt due to the workings of his father and his own family name Teddy graduated from Harvard in Nineteen Fifty six when he was twenty four but he was rejected by Harvard law school due to his poor grades and the prior expulsion the academic dishonesty on his record should have prevented him from getting into most law schools but he managed to follow in Roberts Footsteps Depths and attend the University of Virginia School of law as he had for his entire life teddy performed middling Lii in his academics. Though in law school he started to develop a reputation for his strong oratory skills while while he was in law school teddy also had his first real run in with the law when he was charged with reckless driving nothing came of the charge and it certainly didn't seem to hurt his political aspirations but then again we must always is considered teddy's powerful family and their ability to put him in physicians to succeed Teddy was named manager of John Kennedy's election campaign for the Senate in Nineteen fifty eight after graduating law school in Nineteen fifty nine nine. He went on to help manage John's campaign for president. After John won the nineteen sixty election. He wanted teddy to take vacant Senate seat even though that wouldn't be possible for two more years since Teddy was only twenty. Twenty eight in one thousand nine hundred sixty teddy claimed to have grappled for a time with whether or not he wanted to bank on his family name to begin his political career as a senator when most politicians served several terms and smaller offices before reaching the Senate Keti then twenty eight wasn't even old enough to take the job since the minimum age for U._S.. Senators is thirty but he ultimately decided he wanted the job at Joe is seniors urging John John Kennedy appointed an interim officer to the Senate seat until nineteen sixty two when teddy turned thirty and was able to take the position once he was thirty teddy ran for the seed in a special election and despite his inexperience criminal record and the public revelation of his expulsion from Harvard he won. No one could have known back in nineteen sixty two but senator for Massachusetts was actually the last job teddy hetty Kennedy would ever have it served in the role for nearly eight consecutive terms until his death in two thousand nine in nineteen sixty four less than a year after John Kennedy's assassination teddy had his own brush with death when he barely survived a plane crash his suffered severe injuries and even after months in the hospital chronic back pain would play in for the rest of his life. Teddy evolved his political views throughout the rest of the nineteen sixties living through his brother John's assassination and later Roberts murder in nineteen sixty eight roberts assassinations and the Democratic Party into chaos in the Democrats were already at at a disadvantage in that incumbent president Lyndon Baines Johnson was electing not to run Robert was the most popular option and with his death so close to the actual election. There was no one else for the Democrats to put forward who would stand Dan a chance against the Republican nominee Richard Nixon there was actually a movement among the Democrats to have Ted Kennedy Take Roberts place as a nominee Ted decline though both out of respect respect for his brothers memory and his own acknowledgement that he wasn't experienced enough to be president still the thought wasn't new to his mind. After Richard Nixon won the presidency in nineteen sixty eight Ted won the election election to become the majority whip in the Senate. It was a given among the establishment Democrats that Ted Kennedy would make a bid run against Nixon in the nineteen seventy two election but then the summer of nineteen in sixteen nine happened on July eighteenth nineteen sixty nine while most of the country was glued to their radios waiting for updates on the recently launched Apollo Eleven Moon Mission Ted Kennedy set up a party. The purpose of the gathering was to host a reunion of six women Rosemary Kio Nansen Mary Ellen Lions Susan Tanenbaum Esther Newburgh and twenty eight ear old Mary Jo Kopechne any these women had all worked on Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign and had come to be known as the boiler room girls due to the windowless room. They all worked out of on the campaign. This was a group of a young smart women whose time as an effective political team had been tragically cut short by Robert's murder they had reunited a number of times prior to the July eighteenth gathering the party was hosted on Chappaquiddick Wittig island a fairy accessible retreat east of Martha's Vineyard in addition to the boiler room girls six men attended including Ted Kennedy his cousin Joseph Gorgan and Paul Markham the United States the district attorney in Massachusetts as the party's started to wind down Ted prepared to leave his wife. Joan was pregnant at the time and bedridden due to her two previous miscarriages and Ted was ready to return into her. He started making the rounds to say his goodbyes at eleven fifteen on his way out. He passed Mary. Jo Mary. Joe Was staying at a hotel near Ted's and she asked if he could give her a ride back Ted Kennedy. It didn't normally drive himself as wealthy senator. He had a chauffeur for most of transport needs Ted's chauffeured. John Crimmins was actually at the party that night when Ted saw that John was still eating and enjoying himself Elf he asked for the keys to his car until John he drive himself home. The rest of the guests were too preoccupied with a party to notice Mary Jo leave with Kennedy when they realized she was gone. They assume she'd left on her own. Ted and Mary Jo climbed into Ted's Black Oldsmobile in started off down the narrow unlit paved road that would take them to the mainland for Mary Jo. It was the last time she'd sheets set foot dry land next we'll discuss the death of Mary Jo Kopechne any in the fallout of Ted Kennedy's actions after the fateful crash now back to the story on the evening of July Eighteenth Nineteen sixty-nine Ted Kennedy left the party on Chappaquiddick island in his black oldsmobile. He had a passenger Mary Jo Kopechne -I whom he was giving a ride home. Ted didn't normally drive himself yet a chauffeur John Crimmins but he chose to take the keys and drive his black oldsmobile himself that night according to Ted's later testimony. He left the party with Mary Jo Oh ed around eleven fifteen in the evening Chappaquiddick was a popular destination in part because it was secluded and as such a number of its roads were unpaved and unlit shortly after driving away from the party Ted made a wrong turn and started down dyke road which at that time was an unlit unpaved road that led to a dead end past dike bridge in Nineteen sixty-nine Dike Bridge did not have a guardrail Ted was driving too fast to stop the car once he caught sight of the narrow crossway he lost control of the Oldsmobile just before he hit the crossing in the car shot over the edge and hit the water the car saint quickly as it filled with water the momentum from the fall off the bridge caused it to turn over before it finally finally landed at the floor of Polka Pond Ted had hit his head in the crash he was panicked and struggling as the car filled with dark cold water. Mary Joe was screaming. She was stuck. She couldn't get out to manage to free himself through the car window and swim up to the surface as he gasping for air. He realized that Mary Joe had not followed him. She was still stuck in the car. Ted Swam Back Down to the car to try and free Mary Jo but it was dark and the only source of light was the distant moon the murky shine of the submerged cars headlights. He swam down to the car but couldn't get back into reach her. He went up for air again. Swam down again. He repeated this a number of times until the horrible truth finally dawned on him. He couldn't didn't free Mary Jo in so many minutes past that I now she had surely already drowned soaked and disoriented Ted swam back to shore and this is as as the story goes where his actions shift from the understandable to the unforgivable Ted sat on the riverbank for a few minutes likely recovering from the shock the cold and the exertion version of trying to reach Mary Jo in the car then he went home looking through the records of what was going on at Chappaquiddick that night Ted almost certainly walked past the dike house aptly named for it's location on Dyke Road on the night of July eighteenth. The dike houses front porch light was on someone was home but Ted Kennedy walked right past it. It didn't go to the house to try and use the telephone call for help. It was just over a mile back to the cottage where the party was still in full swing. Ted also passed a fire station where he could have rushed into ask for help. The cottage was actually across the street from the Fire Department. Meaning Ted would have walked right past the building on his way back to the party again. He didn't alert emergency personnel about what had happened. Once there he summoned his cousin Joe Bargain and his friend Paul Markham Ted told these two men what happened together the three of them drove back the crash site Markham in Gorgan both stripped out of their clothes before diving in to try and recover Mary Jo one might wonder why they they would take the time to remove their clothes given that a woman was trapped in a submerged vehicle and had been for at least half an hour of course neither of the man could speak as to why they did it but consider the fact that they'd have have a hard time explaining away wet clothes if anyone saw them later and you can start to connect the dots like Kennedy the men couldn't reach her. The water was too dark in the car was at such an angle that they couldn't ticket inside it. The men spoken hushed whispers as they walked to the ferry dock on Chappaquiddick island garden and Markham made it clear in no uncertain terms the tension call the police immediately ted agreed greed said he would and then jumped in the ocean to make the swim back to the mainland Ted reached his hotel after two in the morning close to two thirty A. M. After he had showered and changed into dry clothes Ted approach. Urged innkeeper in stated that he'd been awakened by some noise in doing so ted seemed to have created something of an alibi for himself. Garden and Markham met up with Ted the next morning at eight A._M.. They were both oath furious to find out he had not kept his promised. Tell the police about the accident. We can't know what was going on in Ted's head at that moment but his actions would seem to be those of a man who is hoping that at that car simply wouldn't be found at that same time as the tide was moving out a fisherman and his son spotted Kennedy's cars submerged in the water. The police were called in eight forty five. If the captain of the Edgar Town Fire Rescue John Farrar was summoned with his diving gear to swim down into the car he found CAPAC knees body in the passenger seat. They recovered her within ten minutes and ideally the the license plate to find that it was registered to Ted Kennedy close to ten A._M.. Ted received word the police had found the car and the body over ten hours after the accident. Ted Kennedy appeared appeared the Edgar Town police station and reported the incident in his official statement Kennedy confess to crashing the car and stated that he was both exhausted from his attempts at trying to save Mary Jo Oh and in a state of general shock from the accident itself. This was why he failed to report the accident immediately. Ted claimed that he came to his senses after getting a few hours of sleep and that he contacted police immediately immediately afterwards Kennedy appeared in court a week later on July twenty fifth on charges of leaving the scene of an accident in the week between the incident in the court appearance the details of what had really happened only only became muddier and Muddier with questions. How did Ted accidentally turn onto dyke road? The turnoff required a driver to make a deliberate right turn from curving paved Road Tad and Mary Joe had likely driven that route a number of times just on that day. Why did Mary Jo Leave her person keys behind the party? If Ted was supposedly taking her to her hotel Ted later claimed that he suffered a concussion as a result of the crash and that contributed to his inability to think straight or make rational decisions but then how was he able to swim back to the mainland to reach his hotel concussion can cause disorientation I and fatigue neither of which you WANNA be dealing with if you're planning on making a long nights swim plus Ted still suffered from the chronic back pain brought on by the plane crash he'd been in five years before. Could you really have made that swim if he wasn't wasn't of sound mind and finally who could account for the testimony of Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look Look had been working on the night of July eighteenth and in the fall out of the accident he testified to seeing a car or an Chappaquiddick road that matched the description of Kennedy's Oldsmobile the characters look recalled from the license plate also matched with Kennedy's. The smoking gun here is the time line look reported seeing this car around twelve forty a. m. yet Kennedy testified that he left the party with Mary. Jo at eleven fifteen and people at the party corroborated this if everyone involved was telling the truth that would mean Tad and Mary Jo were in the car for over an hour before crashing just a mile away from the party so what happened during that our the incident and Ted Kennedy's involvement was was a national news story though it received less attention than likely should have remember at that time the entire country was fixated on the impending moon landing which would occur on July twentieth nineteen sixty nine at the July twenty fifth hearing Kennedy pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a two months suspended jail sentence in other words. He got a slap on the wrist that same night Ted went on TV and delivered a prepared statement in it. He clarified that he had not behaved immorally with Mary Gel meaning. He was not engaging in an affair with her. He wasn't under the influence he had no excuse for his failure. The report the accident other than his shock and confusion he concluded his statement by asking his constituents in Massachusetts to help him process what had happened. The clarified that the decision to resign from the Senate would be his to make and he didn't make it as we said Ted Kennedy occupied his Senate seat until the end of his life in two thousand nine but there was significant fallout due to the highly highly publicized scandal to blunt the Chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine is likely the sole reason at Ted Kennedy never became president despite the P._R.. Black Mark Against Him Ted was reelected by an overwhelming majority to his Senate seat in nineteen seventy. It was widely assumed he was going to confirm the rumors and run for president in nineteen seventy two but he didn't Ted Kennedy was at least on the national stage CH- inextricably linked to the chappaquiddick scandal in nineteen seventy four he once again made the decision not to run in the nineteen seventy six election in part because he knew the scandal would dampen his chances Ted finally made his move in nineteen seventy nine when he challenged incumbent president Jimmy Carter for the Democratic nomination he lost the primary badly and Carter's constant reference to the chappaquiddick incident but in the media and in the publicized debates largely contributed to that loss in two thousand eighteen a film about the incident appropriately titled Chappaquiddick was released. There's a scene in the film that takes is plays. Just after Ted Kennedy returned to the party from the leg. The line he says is by the admission of the film's writers a fiction a speculation on their part but they justified it by claiming they looked into what was is known about the man himself and what was likely going through his head at that time and they wrote the line based on that foundation of research in the film when Ted Kennedy First Summons Joe Garden in Paul Markham he tells them bluntly bluntly. I'm never going to be president. He may not have said it in real life but the sentiment is true all the same Ted Kennedy passed away in two thousand nine with his death. The only two people who really knew do what happened on the night of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine. We're now gone and could no longer answer any lingering questions but they're still are lingering. Questions are first conspiracy deals deals with the so-called missing our between win Kennedy left the Party with Mary Jo and when he was suspected to have been seen by sheriff look over an hour later. There's a number of speculative possibilities including the theory that Ted was drunk in Mary. Jo forced him to pullover and sober up or that Ted wasn't even driving the car after spotting Sheriff Look Ted left Mary Jo to drive herself home. Mary Jo unacquainted with the road got lost crashed into the pont our second conspiracy deals with the status of Mary Jo herself who she even alive when the car crashed did she drown as as commonly suspected or did she survived for hours and an underwater air bubble doomed only because Ted waited so long to report the accident. Our third conspiracy asked the question. was there a cover up or an attempt of one Ted Kennedy called a number of his father's powerful friends in the hours before he spoke to the police what was said in those calls. What was he hoping to accomplish was he trying to hide something even more despicable and leaving a woman behind to die? There's a conventional wisdom that scandals are just part of the political game when you're embroiled in one. You just need week for the press to move on to the next big story. A chappaquiddick has endured for fifty years since the incident the unanswered questions and more seriously the fact that a man who clearly felt the Oval Office was birthright could be capable of such a callous act of negligence Joe Kennedy Senior Live just long enough to witness the shameful period that ended his dreams of having a son finish a term as president he died shortly after the incident in November of Nineteen sixty-nine. When we think of John Kennedy we think of assassination when we think of Robert Kennedy we think of assassination but when we think think of Ted Kennedy we think of Chappaquiddick thanks again for tuning into our conspiracy theories summer of sixty nine special next week? 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Chappaquiddick & Senator Ted Kennedy

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Chappaquiddick & Senator Ted Kennedy

"What's the most you've ever lost? As the result of a mistake in item value and opportunity a relationship life is a series of decisions many of them binary each one offering potential paths that fate may take us down. Every action has an effect every choice a consequence and sometimes in the rarest of occasions a person is is presented with a life or death choice that will come to define them. That was the case for Senator Ted Kennedy in the summer of Nineteen sixty-nine on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts though the official account of what happened that night is somewhat muddled. The facts are as follows late at night after a party Kennedy set off down Chappaquiddick road in his oldsmobile with him was Mary Jo Kopechne acne a former campaign staffer for the recently assassinated Robert Kennedy. There was an accident. The car hit a barrier and flipped over into the water. Ted Got out and survived but Mary Mary Jo was left trapped in the car. Ted Kennedy did not inform the police about the accident until ten hours later when the car was recovered in Mary. Jo's body was found inside the initial reaction Ocean from the divers was that she hadn't actually drowned she'd suffocated and if Ted Kennedy had called the police immediately she may still be alive today. Welcome to conspiracy theories apar- cast original every Wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth. I'm Carter Roy and I'm only Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get US wrong long. Sometimes the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not today. We're talking about the chappaquiddick incident when Massachusetts senator and one time aspiring president Ted Kennedy crashed his car into polk upon and fled the scene leaving his passenger. Mary Jo Kopechne in to die in submerged vehicle Kennedy turned himself in and reported the accident to the police. The next day after the car was recovered with Kopechne. He's body inside the fallout from the scandal was the dominant force that prevented Kennedy from securing a nomination for president of the United States though fifty years have passed since the tragedy. There are still certain details details about what really happened that night that raise questions about a potential cover up was ted really driving the car. Why did he wait so long to report the accident? And what role did the various blueblood powerbrokers brokers have New England play in the saga that unfolded. This episode is part of par casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite par- cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary three of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit up boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals digging into the fallout of M._l._k.'s assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Called M Mohammed Ali's banned from the boxing ring. You can find these specials and more all on our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening it really does help? Scandal seems like a natural component of politics for as long as America has been a country the men and women who have sought the power and influence that comes with public office breath of open themselves up to public scrutiny the imaging and character emphasis that goes into making successful politician strives for an ideal perfect person but a perfect person doesn't exist and in the history of American politics is by and large defined by figures whose personal flaws boiled over to tarnish their pristine public images but the chappaquiddick incident stands apart even from the most appalling public scandals handles largely because it represented the final downfall of the Kennedy family to truly convey how impactful Chappaquiddick was on the Kennedy family in the country we need to I explore just how how powerful the Kennedys used to be. America is a Democratic Republic. It's built upon the ideas of individuals elected by the people to serve the people there has never been an American American king but for a large part of the first half of the twentieth century the Kennedys were probably the closest thing America had to a royal family. The family's Patriarch was Joseph Kennedy senior born in eighteen eighty eight juice of senior was a business magnate who made his fortune in the nineteen tans and nineteen twenties through the stock market and the investments in Hollywood based movie studios among other ventures aw there has been a long standing unconfirmed myth at Joseph Kennedy senior supplemented his already sizeable fortune by smuggling liquor throughout the United States during the prohibition. Oh habituation period in the nineteen twenties. This rumor has been debunked a number of times its prevalence as a part of justice. Kennedy's legacy is largely due to historians who seek to find reasons why Joseph Senior never ran for president of the United States and Joseph Senior also didn't do much to distance himself from the rumor especially after he secured the licenses to import liquor from England after prohibition was lifted in Nineteen thirty three by the end of the roaring twenties. Joseph Kennedy was rich powerful influential and ready to take the next step in securing his legacy by becoming involved in politics is political career seemed to get off to the right start tart. He first became embroiled in politics in eighteen thirty two as a supporter for Franklin D Roosevelt's presidential campaign after Roosevelt one. He established the U._S. Securities and Exchange Commission and appointed. The Joseph Senior as its first Chairman Joseph Senior only served in the position for a year but his efforts to establish safeguards and regulations within the stock market made him a hero among investors Joseph senior continue continue to thrive within Roosevelt's administration. He had the support of America's growing population of Irish Catholics which at that point in American history were largely discriminated against by the Protestant majority. The Highest Office Joseph Elsa senior ever reached was ambassador to the United Kingdom a role he held from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen forty. Joseph Kennedy senior wasn't shy about his ambition to run for president in the nineteen forty election his position as ambassador would have put him in a prime spot to go for the nomination but his actions as ambassador would lead to his downfall. Joseph Joseph Senior made a number of political blunders while representing America to the United Kingdom. This was nineteen thirty eight during the build up to the outbreak of World War. Two in Europe and Joseph Senior wasn't as hard on Adolf Hitler Hitler as many felt he should be Joseph senior butted heads with Winston Churchill who famously spent the lead up to World War Two arguing that there was no negotiating with Hitler though he was the ambassador to the U._K.. Joseph senior in your spent a good deal of his time in London undercutting British interests by trying to establish a line of communication between the United States and Berlin after the war broke out in nineteen thirty nine Joseph senior took a staunch orange `isolation as position in argued against American aid to the United Kingdom. Even as it's towns were victims of nightly bombings by German planes and worst of all Joseph Kennedy was a not so private anti Semite as Nazi Germany furthered. It's horrific persecution of Europe's Jewish citizens Joseph Senior was quoted more than once saying something to the effect of quote. They brought it on themselves. Joseph Senior was not not popular in Britain and his war between America and Germany's seemed more and more like an inevitability his isolationist views came to define him as a defeatist non Patriot he wasn't outright fired from Roosevelt's Velde's administration the party still needed him to rally the Irish Catholic vote for the Democrats but he and the president had a falling out particularly after Roosevelt ran for and won his unprecedented third term Joe Osa senior resigned as ambassador in nineteen forty. He tried to write his political image by offering to throw his considerable wealth and influence behind the American war efforts but his years of trying to appease Hitler and essentially essentially made him persona non grata among the allied leaders he had no choice but to resign from politics and give up any hope of becoming the first Irish Catholic president of the United States but Joseph Senior wasn't a man to abandoned his ambitions so easily. If he couldn't become president on his own he would make sure that his sons would there's a religious verse about how the sins of the father are visited on the suns but the same can be said the father's goals chose a senior had four sons Joseph Junior born nineteen fifteen john born nineteen seventeen Robert Born nineteen twenty five and finally Edward Known as Ted head born nineteen thirty two Joseph Junior. The oldest Kennedy Son was the one Joseph senior hoped would one day become president to that end Joe Senior greened Joseph Junior from a young age for life in politics and Joseph Junior took the role quite well he attended Harvard law school his father's Alma Mater but left in his final year to enlist with the navy and fight in World War Two his plan as he told hold his friends Mr Run for the House of Representatives in the nineteen forty-six election presumably after the war was over from there he would follow his own political star all the way to the White House doc the plan never came to pass on August Twelfth Nineteen forty four Joseph Kennedy Junior was killed in action when his plane was shot down over England Joe Seniors perfect son his best is chance to put a Kennedy in the White House was gone and so the pressure fell to the second oldest Kennedy Boy John Up to that point John F. Kennedy head enjoyed relative freedom in life at least compared to his older brother John had spent most of his life in and out of hospitals and infirmaries for a number of chronic health issues including gastritis and back pain like Joseph Junior John had attended Harvard before enlisting to serve in in the military for World War Two when he first joined the Navy in nineteen forty one John had some ideas of what he wanted his life to be after the war prior to the war Kennedy had traveled to a number of countries including Germany and Britain and his college thesis about the Political Situation in Britain that would lead to the breakout of the war was actually published in nineteen forty. John ought that this might be his calling as a political writer and reporter on everything changed when his brother died with Joe Junior's death John was now the eldest Kennedy boy and after lifetime of being just to the side of his a father's focus John Kennedy was now Joseph Seniors mean project in Life Joe was going to put one of his sons in the White House and he did it after World War Two Joseph Bankroll John's I campaign for representative of the Eleventh District of Massachusetts John One and served in the house for six years he successfully ran for the Senate in nineteen fifty three and served as a Massachusetts Senator for seven more years and in one thousand nine hundred sixty Joseph senior got his wish when John F. Kennedy was elected as the president of the United States he was the first Catholic to hold that position. This could have seem like something thing of a redemptive Ark for Joe Senior after botching his own political career and losing the sun whom he'd groomed for politics he was able to steer John's meteoric rise but the curse that some have rumored the plates the Kennedy Family would not be satisfied on November twenty second nineteen sixty three as John was touring the country in preparation for his reelection he was assassinated on the streets of Dallas John's legacy and by Extension Joseph Seniors Legacy was permanently tarnished by the tragedy all the John had done in all that he might have done as president was doomed to be overshadowed by the killing feeling but Joseph senior still had more sons with Joe Junior and John Deceased Robert Kennedy was now the oldest Kennedy Boy Robert had served as. The Attorney General under John's administration and many Kennedy Historians believe that Robert May have even been the choice for vice president in John's reelection campaign and for most of the late nineteen sixties. It seemed I'm like Robert had a straight path to the White House. After President Lyndon Johnson announced he would not seek reelection in nineteen sixty eight Robert was the natural choice to lead the Democratic ticket after the tragedy of John John Kennedy's death Robert Kennedy may have been the first Kennedy to become president and actually serve a full term but then in nineteen sixty eight just after he was declared the winner of the California Primary Robert Kennedy was shot. He died of his wounds. The next day in the span of twenty five years Joseph Kennedy senior had lost three sons to violence Ted. The youngest Kennedy Son who was is only thirty four was suddenly the heir apparent to the dynasty. All of Joseph Seniors hopes and ambitions rested on Ted Shoulders. The pressure was now on Ted to become the third Kennedy to run for president accident but his political career would be maligned by scandal long before he ever got the chance up next. We'll discuss the events of July eighteenth nineteen sixty nine and the death of Mary Jo Kopechne e going from one veterinarian to another trying to get a proper diagnosis for your sick cat is stressful. I know because I've done it with my cat eva. The bills can rack up quickly but they don't have to embrace pet insurance offers comprehensive health insurance for dogs and cats so if the unexpected happens you're prepared there are no networks visit any Yvette and get reimbursed for up to ninety percent of the bill insuring your pet can cost less per day than your morning coffee answer a few questions on their website and get a free quote in seconds. You can also sign up for wellness rewards. 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By the end of nineteen sixty eight three of Joseph Kennedy senior sons had died Joe Junior John and now Robert at all been killed before they could fulfil the extent of the ambition. Their father had Joseph Senior. Perhaps due to his own lodged intend to become president was adamant about putting the Kennedy Boys in the white eight house he had succeeded with his second son. John John's political legacy was permanently interrupted when he was tragically assassinated in nineteen sixty three with Robert debt as well and just as he seemed to be on the cusp of kicking off a successful presidential campaign the weight of the Kennedy name nail fell to the youngest Kennedy son Ted Edward Teddy Kennedy or nineteen thirty two it wasn't exactly the black sheep of the Kennedy family but as the youngest of nine Children Teddy was afforded leeway to fail in a manner that his brothers were never allowed while Joe Senior had been laser focused on ensuring the joe junior and to a lesser extent John and Robert worked to succeed in every aspect of their lives so as to prepare them for life in the public spotlight he seemed to not have the same level of commitment to ensuring that Teddy excelled old teddy had middling grades throughout his childhood though his large size made him a natural football player despite the lack of any real academic achievement he attended Harvard University for undergraduate just as his father and brothers had done sometimes name is more important than a transcript teddy was in his freshman year in college while his brother John was serving his first term in the House of Representatives that combined with the families already notable profile across Ross American news and politics meant that there was a public spotlight on anyone with the Kennedy name as the youngest child teddy likely wasn't used to having much attention directed his way. This is why he probably thought he could get away with cheating on an exam in his freshman year. In nineteen fifty one teddy arranged for another student to take one of his exams he was caught and both students were expelled. That's not the kind of backstory. Are you want to see in someone who wants to be President Teddy expelled and with few options of other schools that would actually take him enrolled in the military he served for two years in the military. Police and Joseph senior used his own military connections to ensure the teddy wasn't deployed in the Korean War which was ongoing at that time teddy was discharged in nineteen fifty three at that time Harvard University allowed expelled students to apply hi for readmission. After a few years teddy was readmitted again no doubt due to the workings of his father and his own family name Teddy graduated from Harvard in Nineteen Fifty six when he was twenty four war but he was rejected by Harvard law school due to his poor grades and the prior expulsion the academic dishonesty on his record should have prevented him from getting into most law schools but he managed to follow when Roberts footsteps and attend the University of Virginia School of law as he had for his entire life teddy performed middling Lii in his academics though in law school he started to develop a reputation for his strong oratory skills. While he was in law school teddy also had his first real run in with the law when he was charged with reckless driving nothing came of the charge and it certainly didn't seem to hurt his political aspirations but then again we must always consider teddy's powerful family and their ability to put him in positions to succeed Teddy was named manager of John Kennedy's election campaign for the Senate in Nineteen fifty eight after graduating law school in nineteen eighteen fifty nine. He went on to help manage John's campaign for president. After John won the nineteen sixty election. He wanted Teddy to take his vacant Senate seat. Even though that wouldn't be possible for two more years since instead he was only twenty eight in nineteen sixty teddy claim to have grappled for a time with whether or not he wanted to bank on his family name to begin his political career as a senator when most politicians served several terms and smaller offices offices before reaching the Senate Keti then twenty-eight wasn't even old enough to take the job since the minimum age for U._S.. Senators is thirty but he ultimately decided he wanted the job at Joel seniors urging John Kennedy appointed an interim officer to the Senate seat until nineteen sixty two when teddy turned thirty and was able to take the position once he was thirty teddy ran for the seat in a special election and despite his inexperience criminal record and the public revelation of his expulsion from Harvard he won. No one could have known back in nineteen sixty two but senator for Massachusetts was actually the last job Teddy Kennedy would ever have it served in the role for nearly eight consecutive terms until his death in two thousand nine in nineteen sixty four less than a year after John Kennedy's assassination mission teddy had his own brush with death when he barely survived a plane crash he suffered severe injuries and even after months in the hospital chronic back pain would play again for the rest of his life. Teddy evolved his political reviews throughout the rest of the nineteen sixties living through his brother John's assassination and later Robert's murder in nineteen sixty eight Robert's assassinations and the Democratic Party into chaos and the Democrats. We're already at a disadvantage in that incumbent president Lyndon Baines Johnson was electing not to run Robert was the most popular option and with his death so close to the actual election. There was no one else for the Democrats to put forward who had stand a chance against the Republican nominee Richard Nixon there was actually a movement among the Democrats to have Ted Kennedy Take Roberts place as a nominee Ted decline though both out of respect for his brother's memory and his own acknowledgment that he wasn't experienced enough to be president still the thought wasn't new to his mind. After Richard Nixon won the presidency in nineteen sixty eight Ted won the election to become the majority whip in the Senate. It was a given among the establishment Democrats that Ted Kennedy would make a bid to run against Nixon in the nineteen seventy two election but then the summer summer of Nineteen sixty-nine happened on July eighteenth nineteen sixty nine while most of the country was glued to their radios waiting for updates on the recently launched Apollo Eleven Moon Mission Ted Kennedy set up a party. The purpose of the gathering was to host a reunion of six women Rosemary Keough Nance and Mary Ellen Lions Susan Tanenbaum Esther Newberg and twenty eight year old Mary Jo Kopechne e these women had all worked on Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign and had come to be known as the boiler room girls due to the windowless room. They all worked out of on the campaign. This this was a group of young smart women whose time as an effective political team had been tragically cut short by Robert's murder they had reunited a number of times prior to the July eighteenth gathering the party was hosted on Chappaquiddick island a fairy accessible retreat east of Martha's Vineyard in addition to the boiler room girls six men attended including Ted Kennedy his cousin Joseph Gorgan and Paul Markham the the United States District Attorney in Massachusetts as the Party started to wind down Ted prepared to leave his wife. Joan was pregnant at the time and bedridden due to her two previous miscarriages and Ted was ready to return to her. He started making the rounds to say his goodbyes at eleven fifteen on his way out. He passed Mary. Jo Mary. Jo was staying at a hotel near Ted's and she asked if he could give her a ride back. Ted Kennedy did normally drive himself as a wealthy senator yet a chauffeur for most of his transport needs Ted's chauffeured. John Crimmins was actually at the party that night when Ted saw that John was still eating and and enjoying himself he ask for the keys to his car until John he drive himself home. The rest of the guests were too preoccupied with a party to notice Mary Jo leave with Kennedy when they realized she was gone. They all soom she'd had left on her own. Ted and Mary Jo climbed into Ted's Black Oldsmobile in started off down the narrow unlit paved road that would take them to the mainland for Mary Joe. It was the last last time she'd set foot dry land next. We'll discuss the death of Mary Jo Kopechne -I in the fallout of Ted Kennedy's actions after the fateful crash now back back to the story on the evening of July Eighteenth Nineteen sixty-nine Ted Kennedy left a party on Chappaquiddick island in his black oldsmobile. He had a passenger Mary Jo Kopechne -I whom he was giving a ride home. Ted didn't normally drive himself yet a chauffeur John Crimmins but he chose to take the keys and drive his black oldsmobile himself that night according to Ted's later testimony. He left the party with Mary Jo at around eleven fifteen in the evening Chappaquiddick was a popular destination in part because it was secluded and as such a number of its roads were unpaved and unlit shortly after driving away from the party Ted made a wrong turn in started down dyke road which at that time was an unlit unpaved road that led to a dead end past dike bridge in nineteen sixty nine dike bridge did not have a guardrail Ted was driving too fast to stop the car once he caught sight of the narrow cross whe he lost control of the Oldsmobile just before hit the crossing the car shot over the edge and hit the water the car saint quickly as it filled with water the momentum from the fall off the bridge caused it to turn over. Over before it finally landed at the floor of Polka Pond Ted had hit his head in the crash it was panicked and struggling as the car filled with dark cold water. Mary Jo was screaming. She was stuck she couldn't get out Ted managed to free himself through the car window and swim up to the surface as he gasped for air. He realized that Mary Jo had not followed him. She was still stuck in the car. Ted Swim Back Down to the car to try and free Mary Jo but it was dark and the only source of light was the distant moon the murky shine of the submerged car's headlights he he swam down to the car but couldn't get back into reach her. He went up for air again. Swam down again. He repeated this a number of times until the horrible truth finally dawned on him. He couldn't free Mary Jo in so many minutes had passed that I now she had Shirley already drowned soaked and disoriented Ted swam back to shore and and this is as the story goes where his actions shift from the understandable to the unforgivable Ted sat on the riverbank for a few minutes likely recovering from the shock the cold and the exertion of trying to reach Mary Jo in the car then he went home looking through the records of what was going on at Chappaquiddick that night Ted almost certainly walked past the dyke house aptly named for its location on Dyke Road on the night of July eighteenth. The dyke houses front porch light was on someone was home but Ted Kennedy walked right past it. It didn't go to the house to try and use the telephone call for help. It was just over a mile back to the cottage where the party was still in full swing. Ted also passed a fire station where he could have rushed in to ask for help. The cottage was actually across across the street from the Fire Department. Meaning Ted would have walked right past the building on his way back to the party again. He didn't alert emergency personnel about what had happened. Once there he summoned his cousin Joe Gorgan and his his friend Paul Markham Ted told these two men what happened together the three of them drove back to the crash site Markham in Gorgan both stripped out of their clothes before diving in to try and recover Mary Gel one might wonder why they would take the time to remove their clothes given that a woman was trapped in a submerged vehicle and had been for at least half an hour of course neither of the men could speak as to why they did it but consider the fact act that they'd have a hard time explaining away wet clothes. If anyone saw them later and you can start to connect the dots like Kennedy the men couldn't reach her the water was too dark in the car was at such an angle angled. They couldn't get inside it. The men's spoke in hushed whispers as they walked to the ferry dock on Chappaquiddick Island Gorgan and Markham made it clear in no uncertain terms. The ten should call the police immediately. Lee Ted agreed said he would and then jumped in the ocean to make the swim back to the mainland Ted reached his hotel after two in the morning close to two thirty a m after he had showered and changed into dry clothes in Ted approach the innkeeper and stated that he'd been awakened by some noise in doing so ted seemed to have created something of an alibi for himself. Garden and Markham met up with Ted the next morning at eight A._M.. They were both furious to find out he had not kept his promise to tell the police about the accident. We can't know what was going on in Ted's head at that moment but his actions would seem to be those of a man who is hoping being that that car simply wouldn't be found at that same time as the tide was moving out a fisherman and his son spotted Kennedy's cars submerged in the water. The police were called in eight eight forty five the captain of the Edgar town fire rescue. John Farrar was summoned with his diving gear to swim down into the car. He found capacities body in the passenger seat. They recovered her within ten minutes and I did the license plate to find that it was registered to Ted Kennedy close to ten A._M.. Ted received word that police had found the car and the body over ten hours after the accident Ted Ted Kennedy appeared at the Edgar Town police station and reported the incident in his official statement Kennedy confessed a crashing the car and stated that he was both exhausted from his attempts at trying to save Mary Jo and in a state of general shock from the accident itself. This was why he failed to report the accident immediately. Ted claimed that he came to his senses after getting a few hours of sleep and that he contacted attacked police immediately afterwards Kennedy appeared in court a week later on July twenty fifth on charges of leaving the scene of an accident in the week between the incident and the court appearance the details of what had really what happened only became muddier and Muddier with questions how did Ted accidentally turn onto dyke road. The turnoff required a driver to make a deliberate right turn from a curving paved road Ted and Mary Joe had likely driven that route a number of times just on that day. Why did Mary Jo Leave her person keys behind the party? If Ted was supposedly taking her to her hotel Ted later claimed that he suffered a concussion as a result of the crash and that contributed to his inability to think straight or make rational decisions but then how is he able to swim back to the mainland to reach his hotel a concussion can cause disorientation and fatigue neither of which you WANNA be dealing with if you're planning on making a long night swim plus Ted still suffered from the chronic back pain brought on by the plane crash he'd been in five years before. Could you really have made that swim if he wasn't of sound mind and finally who could account for the testimony of Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look Look had been working on the night of July eighteenth and in the fall out of the accident he testified it just seen a car on Chappaquiddick road that matched the description of Kennedy's Oldsmobile. The characters look recalled from the license plate also matched with Kennedy's the smoking gun here is the time line look reported had seeing this car at around twelve forty am yet Kennedy testified that he left the party with Mary. Jo at eleven fifteen and people at the party corroborated this. If everyone involved was telling the truth that would mean that Ted and Mary Jo were in the car for over an hour before crashing just a mile away from the party so what happened during that hour the incident in Ted Kennedy's. Involvement was a national news story though it received less attention than likely should have remember at that time the entire country was fixated on the impending moon landing which would occur on July twentieth nineteen sixty thirty nine at the July twenty fifth hearing Kennedy pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two months suspended jail sentence in other words. He got a slap on the wrist that same night Ted went on TV the and delivered a prepared statement in it. He clarified that he had not behaved immorally with Mary Gel meaning. He was not engaging in an affair with her. He wasn't under the influence he had no excuse for his failure to report the accident other than his shock and confusion he concluded his statement by asking his constituents in Massachusetts to help him process what had happened but clarified that the decision to resign from the Senate would be his to make and he didn't make it as we said Ted Kennedy occupied his Senate seat until the end of his life in two thousand nine but there was significant fallout how do to the highly publicized scandal to be blunt. The chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine is likely the sole reason that Ted Kennedy never became president despite the P._R.. Black Mark Against Him Ted was re elected by an overwhelming majority to a Senate seat in nineteen seventy. It was widely assumed he was going to confirm the rumors and run for president in nineteen seventy two but he didn't Ted Kennedy was at least on the national stage inextricably linked to the chappaquiddick scandal in nineteen seventy four he once again made the decision not to run in the nineteen seventy six election in part because he knew the scandal would dampen his chances Ted finally made his move in nineteen seventy nine when he challenged incumbent president Jimmy Carter for the Democratic nomination he lost the primary badly and Carter's constant reference to the Chappaquiddick chappaquiddick incident in the media and in the publicized debates largely contributed to that loss in two thousand eighteen a film about the incident appropriately title Chappaquiddick was released. There's a scene in the film that takes place just after Ted Kennedy returned to the party from the leg. The line he says is by the admission of the film's writers a fiction a speculation on their part but they justified it by claiming they we looked into what was known about the man himself and what was likely going through his head at that time and they wrote the line based on that foundation of research in the film when Ted Kennedy First Summons Joe Garden in Paul Markham he he tells them bluntly. I'm never going to be president. He may not have said it in real life but the sentiment is true all the same Ted Kennedy passed away in two thousand nine with his death. The only two people people who really knew what happened on the night of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine we're now gone and could no longer answer any lingering questions but they're still are lingering questions. Our first conspiracy deals with the so-called missing our between when Kennedy left the Party with Mary Jo and when he was suspected to have been seen by sheriff look over an hour later. There's a number of speculative possibilities including getting the theory that Ted was drunk in Mary. Jo forced him to pull over and sober up or that Ted wasn't even driving the car after spotting sheriff look head left Mary Jo to drive herself home. Mary Jo unacquainted with the road got lost and crashed into the pont our second conspiracy deals with the status of Mary Jo herself who she even alive when the car crashed did she drown as is commonly suspected acted or did she survive for hours in an underwater air bubble doomed only because Ted waited so long to report the accident. Our third conspiracy asked the question was there a cover up orange attempted one ted Kennedy called a number of his father's powerful friends in the hours before he spoke to the police. What was said in those calls? What was he hoping to accomplish? Was He trying to hide something even more despicable than leaving a woman behind to die. There's a conventional wisdom that scandals are just part of the political game when you're embroiled in one honey. You just need to wait for the press to move on to the next big story. A chappaquidick has endured for fifty years since the incident the unanswered questions and more seriously the fact that a man who clearly felt the oval the office was his birthright could be capable of such a callous act of negligence. Joe Kennedy senior lived just long enough to witness the shameful period that ended his dreams of having a son finish a term as president he died shortly after the incident in November of nineteen sixty nine. When we think of John Kennedy we think of assassination when we think of Robert Kennedy we think of assassination when we think of Ted Kennedy we think of Chappaquiddick thanks again for tuning into our conspiracy theories summer of sixty nine special next week? 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"Time magazine Love Ted Kennedy in his final years in the mid to late ought the weekly magazine published a number of profiles on the long-serving senator has it began to succumb to health issues seemingly signaling that his time on this earth was coming to an end they wrote his suffering how he had persevered through the tragic assassinations of his brothers John and Robert Kennedy and his own mm physical trauma from a nineteen sixty four plane crash that left him in chronic pain the articles covered his political legacy naming him as the lion of the Senate crediting him for Supporting Barack Obama in the Democratic primaries aries and leaving him toward his nomination for president his political record comes up two by two thousand eight Ted Kennedy was the third longest serving senator in the history of the union with eight consecutive terms serving the people of Massachusetts and America at large what the illustrious magazine failed to mention in these series of profiles was the great black mark of Ted Kennedy's career in July of nineteen sixty nine in the middle of the night. Ted Kennedy drove his car off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts in crashed into a pond. The car quickly sank Kennedy managed to escape but his passenger twenty eight year old Mary Jo Kopechne he was pinned. She drowned in the dark. Ted Kennedy did not report the incident for ten hours what happened during that time has led to numerous theories about timelines intentions drunk driving and cover-ups orchestrated by powerful individuals all of its swirls around the question. What really really happened that night? What exactly did Ted Kennedy get away with? Welcome to conspiracy theories apar- our cast original every Wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events and search for the truth. I'm Carter Roy and I'm Ali Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded minded skeptical and curious. Don't get US wrong. Sometimes the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not this is our second and final episode on the Chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine when rising star Senator Ted Kennedy crashed his car into a pond on Chappaquiddick island the incident resulted in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne any and to this day there are questions regarding how she died why she was in a car and what led Ted Kennedy to wait ten hours before notifying the authorities that he had left a woman trapped in the submerged vehicle. This episode is part of Park has summer of sixty nine event till I twenty second through August ninth with all your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. 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This is our second and final episode on the Chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine when rising star Senator Senator Ted Kennedy crashed his car into a pond on Chappaquiddick island the incident resulted in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne e and to this day there are questions regarding how she died why she was in in the car and what led Ted Kennedy to wait ten hours before notifying the authorities that he had left a woman trapped in a submerged vehicle. The chappaquiddick incident is among the most famous political scandals in American history three and is seen as the key reason that Ted Kennedy never had the chance to follow in his brother's footsteps for real shot at a presidential run but the legacy of the entire affair is inherently problematic in no small apart because we tend to refer to it as a political scandal and not a case of manslaughter over the past ten years ever since Ted Kennedy passed away it has come to be accepted that the real story story of Chappaquiddick may never be known after all the two people who were in the car that night are both dead and gone and this episode. We're going to examine the unanswered questions that still swirl today over the chappaquiddick incident our first conspiracy theory is the Ted Kennedy's account of when he left the Party and when he crashed is false this is best evidenced by the so called missing our between when and Ted Kennedy left the Party and when he was supposedly spotted by a sheriff's deputy over an hour later our second conspiracy theory is that Ted Kennedy was intoxicated or otherwise impaired that night and that this was the reason for both the crash and his actions immediately following it finally Ted Kennedy waited ten hours before he reported the crash. It's been suggested though obviously never proven that Mary Jo lived for much longer than initially suspected and she may have been rescued. If only Ted had gone for help in our last episode we discussed the decades long series of events that ultimately led to Ted Kennedy Eddie and Mary Jo Kopechne attending that party on Chappaquiddick island on the evening of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine ted was the youngest son of Joseph Kennedy Senior the New England millionaire and Patriarch. Of the Kennedy Family Joe Senior groomed his sons to succeed in politics but between nineteen forty four and nineteen sixty eight he saw his hopes dashed as each of his three eldest sons die tragically a young Joe Kennedy Junior died in nineteen forty four while on a combat mission in World War Two president John F. Kennedy was assassinated in nineteen sixty three and Robert Bobby Kennedy was gunned down in nineteen eighteen sixty eight all of a sudden there was only Ted Kennedy who had been expelled from Harvard for cheating and had a criminal record for reckless driving Ted work to make himself into the kind of man who could truly honor honor the Kennedy name by nineteen sixty nine it was widely assumed that he would make his first bid for the presidency against incumbent Richard Nixon in nineteen seventy two but then chappaquiddick happened July eighteenth nineteen sixty nine was supposed to be a day of Reunion in celebration. Ted organized a reunion of the six boiler room girls former staffers of Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign. Mary Jo was among these women. The Day saw the attendees partake in a boat race and a barbecue before retiring to a rented cottage on Chappaquiddick island to continue the party our first conspiracy Chrissy theory concerns a time discrepancy in the official account of what happened on the night of the eighteenth. Could it be possible that there really was a missing our intense account the theory of the missing our comes primarily merrily from Deputy Sheriff Christopher look who is on the roads on Chappaquiddick after midnight on the night of the incident recall according to Ted Kennedy's testimony. He left the party at around eleven fifteen pm. He encountered Mary Joe on his way out. She told him she was not feeling well and asked him to give her a ride back to her hotel. Chappaquiddick is not a large patch of land. It would have been only about two miles from the cottage to the ferry sorry that would've taken tense car to the mainland and it was only one mile from the cottage to the bridge where Ted ultimately crashed his car given the Ted believed he was driving at a speed of around twenty miles per hour. It should should've been mere minutes between when he drove off from the Party and when he crashed the deputy sheriff looks account paints a different picture that night look had been working at a dance in the yacht hot club at Martha's vineyard he was there until after midnight and then made his way across the narrow channel to return to his home on Chappaquiddick island according to look he was approaching chappaquiddick roads one main intersection intersection the same intersection where Ted Kennedy would later claim to have made a wrong turn when he spotted a dark four door sedan pulled over at the side of the road looks headlights made it clear that a man was driving and a woman and was sitting in the passenger seat look assuming that the driver and passenger may be lost got out of his vehicle and approached it as he got close the car lurched into gear in barreled on down dyke road toward dike bridge. This was at twelve forty in the morning nearly an hour and a half after Kennedy had left the Party with Mary. Jo Look didn't commit the cars full license plate to memory but he did remember that it contained in l. into sevens. After the bizarre encounter looked continued down Chappaquiddick road and encountered some of the party guests outside the cabin he asked if any of them knew about about a black sedan. None of them could confirm whether it belonged to Kennedy even though most of the people at that party likely knew the Kennedy had arrived in a black four door oldsmobile but there are two facts that connect neck the car that look had seen with Ted Kennedy's car won Ted Kennedy's license plate number was L. Seven eight Dash Two oh seven it contained in l. and two sevens just like look described ascribed more damning is the fact that look was one of the first responders on the scene when the car was discovered and pulled from the water on the morning of July nineteenth at the scene he noted that he had seen that same car the night before if look really saw Kennedy's car that would mean a full ninety minutes passed between when Kennedy left the Party was Mary Jo and when he crashed his car off dike bridge this naturally leads to the question of what happened during that missing time and why would kennedy lie about it. was there more to the story of what happened that night before the crash. Could it be possible that Ted's intentions for Mary. Jo were less a an honorable or maybe even that she was dead before the car sank into the river. It's noteworthy that Kennedy claimed have been back in his hotel by two twenty five in the morning given the distance between the crash site the cottage and Kennedy's own statement about how he recruited Paul Markham in Joe Gorgan to try and Rescue Mary Jo from the car it would have been possible for him to be back in the hotel at that time if he crashed crashed the car at eleven fifteen but the time line seems much less likely if he actually crashed the car closer to one in the morning this particular theory deal simply with whether Ted Kennedy crashed when he says he did unfortunately there's not much to go off of besides two conflicting accounts from fifty years ago although don't forget the Ted did speak to the innkeeper at his hotel and that was believed to have happened between two and three in the morning morning honestly what seems most likely is that both Ted Kennedy and look are telling what they believed to be the truth if look got his time wrong then it's entirely possible that he did see Tad in Mary Jo in the car but <music> at an earlier time than twelve forty A._M.. But this still doesn't account for why Ted didn't mention pulling over on the side of the road I give it a nine out of ten that the official stories timeline is falls at least to some degree what am not sure about is whether that's intentional or just a byproduct of Ted failing to recall exact details about a night where he crashed his car nearly drowned and probably when to some degree of shock no regardless regardless of intent looks story does raise some questions why was Kennedy pulled over in the first place and if he was telling the truth why did his version of the story not explain why he was pulled over that night. Could it be that he. Didn't remember pulling over in the first place or perhaps Ted needed to withhold the real reason that he was pulled over. Could it be that he realized he needed to sober out next. We'll look look at the various conspiracies about Ted and Mary Jo's states of mind in those fateful final minutes before the crash hi there if you enjoy this episode on Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident accident search conspiracy theories on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes now back to the story time is among the most important factors in the mysteries of what happened on Chappaquiddick island on the evening of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine because of the fact that Ted Kennedy waited ten hours before alerting authorities there was plenty of time for the important details of the case needs to be lost or Una more sinister note. There was plenty of time for Kennedy to craft his story. Our second conspiracy theory is that Ted Kennedy was either intoxicated or otherwise impaired impaired when he crashed the car even if he wasn't this theory puts forth that something was off with his State of mind that night and whatever it was directly led to the crash and Mary Jo's death when the story of the accident I broke there. Were two main questions that arose. What was Mary Jo Kopechne e doing in Ted Kennedy's car and was Ted Kennedy drunk? Ted Kennedy didn't drive at least he didn't often drive. You've given his substantial personal fortune in high status as United States. Senator Ted had a chauffeured cover. Most of his transportation needs in fact Ted's personal chauffeur. John Crimmins was at the cottage party on Chappaquiddick island on the night of the incident primos was a guest. That's considered to be true but he was also there in some capacity as Ted Kennedy's driver so when Ted Kennedy prepared to leave why didn't cremins leave with him when asked later Ted stated that he didn't want to pull crimmins away from the party to take him home. CRIMMINS was still enjoying his meal and the company. It's odd that crimmins would be preoccupied reoccupied with a meal since it was after eleven at night when Kennedy made to leave that maybe that really was the case given the full day of partying and relaxing lose one thing to note here though we're unsure what to read into it according sued the official account Ted Kennedy retrieved his car keys from crimmins after Mary Jo asked him for a ride home. This could mean that Ted was planning on having crimmins drive him home until Mary Jo asked for a ride. If he wasn't planning on driving he might have been drinking. Mary Jo by all accounts was a smart capable woman and it would have been very out of character for her to be drinking heavily at an event like this but she hadn't driven herself to the party and thus wouldn't have needed to worry about keeping an eye on her drinking. There are some uncorroborated reports that she had drunk at least some amount of alcohol at the party. She may not have been impaired but she also. Oh may not have noticed if Ted was not in a condition to drive now crimmins was both Kennedy's driver and occasional aid he knew the man well and it's not a stretch to assume that he would have noticed if Ted was too drunk to drive Dr himself the fact that he handed over the keys to the car would seem to indicate that as far as the partygoers were concerned. Ted was only fine the big discrepancy that may lead one to ask if Ted was drunk or not ask to do with the geography of Chappaquiddick Island itself Chappaquidick has one main road one that Ted Mary Jo had both ridden along multiple times throughout that day Chappaquiddick road tracks along about two miles miles from the ferry point before making a right turn into the more residential area that turn occurs at the intersection with Dyke road again. This was really the only major road on the island and even at night eight Kennedy would have known that to get the ferry from the cottage he would have had to just follow Chappaquiddick road. Keep left at the fork and then take it all the way to the ferry. So how did he instead manage to turn left onto the dyke road and moreover. Why did he stay on Dyke Road? After the turn Dyke road was unpaved in it should have been evident immediately to Ted that he'd made a wrong turn of course if he'd been drunk that might explain how he'd be able to get so turned around but it's also possible that Ted had not done much driving over the island crimmins was with him and it's possible that Ted had been preoccupied with some matter or another as crimmins. He's handled the driving and thus head wasn't as familiar with the roads as he should have been but again if that was the case why would crimmins let Ted drive on the Unfamiliar Island Roads at night. Ted was asked this very hey question when he was interrogated by police after he confessed a fleeing the scene of the accident according to him he'd actually never been on Chappaquiddick island prior to that day and so he didn't know the roads at all he visited Martha's Vineyard plenty of times in his life but never chappaquiddick the question of how Ted Kennedy came to make that wrong turn and why he continued to drive at a speed of twenty miles per hour down and unpaved paved road becomes more complicated when you consider the testimony of Deputy Sheriff Look Remember look claims that he spotted the black sedan that was likely Kennedy's pulled over near the intersection of Chappaquiddick Road and Dyke Road. He exited his vehicle and approached but the sedan shot away before he could get a good look at the driver. It's been suggested though obviously not proven Ted Kennedy saw look approaching the car either because he knew he was drunk or because he knew the optics of being caught alone in a car with a woman who wasn't his wife would be potentially damaging to his career. Kennedy realized he couldn't let look identify him so he put the car in gear and pulled away not realizing that he had taken a wrong turn down dyke road toward dike bridge. It was so focused on not being seen that he didn't track how fast he was driving or the directs snooze heading until it was too late and he drove off the bridge of course this theory hit something of a snag when we consider what happened after the crash if Ted Kennedy was so drunk that he managed to crash his car. Are into the pond now on earth was cogent enough actually get himself out of the car. Maybe he got lucky. The question of how Ted Kennedy managed to free himself from the submerged vehicle while Mary Jo remains stock doc will likely never be answered additionally. We'll never know the real reason why Kennedy didn't stop at any houses on his track back to the party to get help the walk from the crash site back to the cottage was roughly one mile well Ted Kennedy passed at least one house that had its porch light on and he also passed the firehouse on his way back. It's been stated though not totally confirmed that he passed up to four houses that had their porch lights on during his walk back to the cottage. One of the most damning actions Kennedy took in this story is not running up to any of these homes and asking to use the telephone to call for help Kennedy would later say he was exhausted and in shock from the near death experience of the crash his mind wasn't in the right place and thus he didn't grasp that he should have rushed to the nearest house and immediately sought help but if Kennedy was drunk it would also explain why he didn't talk talk to anyone on his way back to the cottage until he rendezvous with garden and Markham Kennedy didn't inform the police of the accident until ten hours after occurred because of the time lapse there was no way for anyone to administer a sobriety test all they had to go off of was Ted Kennedy's word an so barring a confession from Kennedy admitting that he'd been impaired there was no way nor will there ever be a way to determine if he was drunk when he got behind the wheel of his oldsmobile in his statement to the public on July Twenty Fifth Nineteen sixty-nine Ted reemphasize that he was not intoxicated he made sure to note that his doctors had retroactively diagnosed him with a concussion and was shock but he didn't want to use these conditions to justify his actions how noble of him and that was it. Ted Kennedy stuck to official story for the rest of his life and no one who is at the party ever came forward to make an on the record statement that they witnessed Ted drinking that night and so all we can really do is guest the validity of this theory. I'll give this one six out of ten. It's impossible to prove in. It's completely plausible. The Ted Kennedy really was just that unfamiliar with the roads on Chappaquiddick island but consider the numerous events that raise questions Ted likely thought he wouldn't have to drive in self that night since his driver was present at the party he was more than likely spotted by deputy sheriff look but drove off before he could be identified. He somehow failed to grasp that he was on the wrong road despite the lack of pavement and he wasn't able to stop the car fast enough even after dike bridge became visible in his headlights. He didn't alert anyone that might be able to help rescue Mary Jo and he only confessed S.. Two fleeing the scene after it would be impossible to determine his level of sobriety. That's a lot of damning facts all of which can be explained by intoxication. Ted Kennedy claimed he wasn't in his right mind after the crash crash he may have actually been telling the truth but lied about the reason. There's one more major question about chappaquiddick that really shows the level to which Ted Kennedy's actions were unforgivable at question Chen is how long it Mary Jo Kopechne we live after the crash. We'll discuss that and the likelihood of a cover up after this now now the conclusion to the story. We've discussed the inconsistencies in the official account of what happened in the late hours of the evening on Chappaquiddick Island and we've discussed the likelihood that Ted was drinking on the night of the the accident however all of these unanswered questions still don't address one of the key questions in this incident. How much was Ted Kennedy to blame for what happened? Let's take a second and assume that the official story is as Ted told it he got turned around on the road crashed. The car thought he was doing everything he could save Mary Jo but was so shocked by the crash that he wasn't thinking straight his inaction. Listen all most becomes palatable. If you accept that all these things are true assuming that he was correct in thinking Mary Jo Really did perish just minutes after the car hit the water our last theory theory examines the actual death of Mary Jo Kopechne e the confirmed cause of death and the question of how long she may have survived in the car after Ted abandoned her recall. The generally known facts of the crash Ted Kennedy was driving. Mary Jo was in the passenger seat. He was tearing down the unpaved Unlit Dyke Road at around twenty miles an hour when he spotted the end of the road marked by Dike Bridge in the pond beyond Ted couldn't hit the brakes rakes fast enough and the car crashed over the edge of the drop off and hit the water it turned over as it submerged landing on its roof at the foot of the pond ten feet below the surface Ted was able to get free from the car car and swim to the surface he claimed to have swum back down to the car a number of times to try and free Mary Jo but he was disoriented. From the shock of the crash and the water was pitch black so he couldn't see her well enough to help by the time maintained decided to leave the scene return to the cottage several minutes had passed. He assumed that too much time had passed since the car sunk below the surface and that there was no way that Mary Jo could still be alive. I've she must have drowned. This conclusion also makes up for part of Ted's justification for not telling more people about the crash until the next morning with the darkness of the night and the cold water he he worried that if he started to tell the other party guess it might prompt a wider rescue attempt and even more people could have gotten hurt the claim that he was protecting the other women at the party from Sharing Mary. Jo's fate doesn't really hold up at all. It doesn't especially given the fact that Ted passed a firehouse on his way back to the cottage and could have roused trained rescue professionals easily but the extent of Ted's negligence became more complicated after the car with Mary. Jo Kopechne bodies still inside was retrieved the next morning on the morning of July nineteenth while Ted was mulling over his options at his hotel a fisherman and his son spotted. The car on the bottom of the pond fire and rescue or summoned to examine and recover the car at approximately eight forty five in the morning John Farrar captain of the fire rescue unit arrived with scuba gear. He swam down to the car and found Mary Jo's body inside he removed her from the vehicle and carried her back to the shore. The subsequent investigation published the position. Mary Jo's body was in when she it was found. Donald Mills the medical examiner who performed the autopsy to Claire Drowning as the cause of death. This would be in line with the story that Ted Kennedy told but there were dissenters in John Farrar ars account he describes Mary Jo's body as he found her. She was in the back seat of the car with her hands clenched around the underside of the seats and her head pressed against the back footstool. Her position in the back accede is likely part of the evidence used when proposing the theory that Mary Jo was asleep in the back seat of the car but Farrar offers a different explanation. Ferrara believed that Mary Jo managed to climb in the back ax heat of the submerged overturned car her head placement indicated that she was positioning herself to keep her head in an air bubble within the car with that in mind. It's possible that the cause of death wasn't drowning rather. Mary Jo suffocated as she slowly used up all the oxygen in the car. This also raises the Morbid question of how long Mary Jo was down there struggling to breathe waiting for help thank never came and Ferraris own words. If Ted Kennedy had called for help immediately he could have gotten married joe out of the car. Within Twenty five minutes of the crash Farrar went so far as to estimate that Mary Jo could have lived for up to two hours after the crash and thus could have been saved if only Ted had done for help given how explosive that information is one wonders whether it came op during the subsequent investigation and trial well it did but only in the sense that Farrar was not allowed to testify his opinions about how Mary Jo could have lived for longer for our would state in interviews that he wanted to give his statement Ted Kennedy's prosecutor but he was never summoned Kennedy justified leaving the scene of the accident by claiming he was tired in shock and that enough time had passed that he was sure or Mary Joe had drowned. We know this for sure. However Long Mary Jo did manage to survive down there? She'd been dead for hours when her body was finally recovered then again. Is there a sliding scale L. of blame dependent on how long it took Mary Jo Kopechne to die is Ted Kennedy less culpable for what happened. If Mary Jo was already dead when he fled the scene the numbers not exact but there have been cases in which a drowned mound curson has been resuscitated up to forty or even fifty minutes after they stopped breathing the window for recovery can be even longer if hypothermia is in play the water around Chappaquiddick island would have likely been in in a low to high sixties on that night though it could have been potentially lower since the son had been set for several hours though it's not freezing temperatures it is possible for hypothermia to set in if a body is submerged in water of that temperature sure for a prolonged amount of time. All of this is to say that if Ted Kennedy had gone immediately for help. It's entirely plausible that Mary Jo could have been rescued from the car and resuscitated. It was the right medical care. She may have even been able to make a full recovery. We'll never know what was possible because due to Ted Kennedy's inaction. Mary Jo wasn't recovered until ten hours after does she went in the water. There's no rating for this one. Whether Mary Jo survived for hours or lasted only minutes doesn't really change Ted Kennedy's actions. Even if Mary Jo died quickly after the crash as Ted suspected suspected he should have done everything possible to save her he didn't and now we'll never know if Mary Jo could have been rescued. We're going to wrap up by going over some of the smaller alternative theories about about what really happened on the night of July eighteenth to start. We're going to examine one theory that further removes blame from Kennedy on account of the fact that he wasn't even driving the car when it crashed according according to this line of thinking after Kennedy spotted look he pulled over on Dyke Road and not out of the car his plan was to walk back to the cottage and get a ride from someone else leaving Mary Jo Joe to drive tents car back to the hotel. Mary Jo was unfamiliar with the Bulky Unwieldy Oldsmobile like Ted. She didn't even have a sense of where she was on the road until it was too late and she had driven driven off the bridge and into the Water Ted was still walking back toward the cottage. When the crash happened he rushed to the scene and tried to save Mary? Jo couldn't and the rest of the events generally carried out as the official. L. Story says they did this. One of course raises the question of why Ted would claim he was driving the car if he really wasn't when the fact that he hadn't even been in the car help absolve him of guilt car was still his yes. Ted might have suspected that few people would believe that he would have let Mary Jo drive his car alone. Claiming to have been driving would've actually raised fewer questions than telling the truth that he hadn't been in the car at all uh-huh one feels a little flimsy what seems more likely as that the more outlandish theories like this one came about as a result of the gap in understanding because we simply don't know every detail of what happened in the minutes leading up up to the accident. It is possible to put out a wide range of alternatives series of events this next one however might actually have some way to it. According to one theory Mary Jo Kopechne he actually tried to leave the party much earlier than eleven fifteen she was tired and may have even been suffering from a headache. She knew she wasn't in a state to drive and she didn't want to bother any ever fellow guests so she stepped outside the cottage and crawled <unk> into the back of Ted's Oldsmobile to take a nap Ted Dro- of made a wrong turn and crashed the car all while being unaware that Mary Jo was asleep in his backseat now. This may seem to help absolve him further and explain. Explain why he waited to report the accident. There would have been much less of a rush to get the police involved if Ted didn't know there was someone trapped in the car but again we come back to the question of why did Ted Kennedy never clarify fi that while digitally both garden and Markham said the Ted had told them about Mary Jo on the night of the accident right after it happened all in all we think the theories that modify who was driving and what Ted Kennedy New Are Pretty Flimsy. The official story Ted was driving. Mary Jo was in the passenger seat and Ted knew that she was still in the car. When he failed to report? The accident still seems most likely the remaining question question though concerns one of the most damning mysteries of this entire incident hearing all of this you have to wonder how on Earth Kennedy managed to walk away from this event serve no jail time and continue on to a successful decades long career as a United States senator in interviews conducted in the years after the chappaquiddick incident John Farrar and others indicate that there was some kind of cover up our final tag conspiracy tackles the question of whether there was a cover up in the chappaquiddick incident. I WANNA say outright. I don't think there was at least not in the way that some do in the fact that Ted Kennedy was tried for the crime of leaving the scene of an accident and even sentenced to jail time albeit in a suspended sentence kind of remove this event from cover up territory. This feels more like old old money New England exerting influence to minimize the damage after all. No one at the party knew that Mary Joe had left in the hours after it happened since she left her purse behind Kennedy's driver John Crimmins Minns was at the party. It was a totally possible course of action for Ted to insist that crimmins jump in the water and then tell everyone that crimmins was the one driving the car during the crash Kennedy also could to put Markham or guardian up to admitting that they were the ones behind the wheel he allegedly did this but that story comes from disgruntled residents of Martha's Vineyard and unfortunately there's little truth to back it up. We don't think there was a sinister cover up chappaquiddick because the car was found and linked to Kennedy before he would have been able to organize one now that isn't to say that he wasn't considering it consider the fact that he made a point to speak with the innkeeper keeper of his hotel at two in the morning and fresh clothes effectively establishing something like an alibi but then again why go to the police if that was his plan even after the car was linked to him. Tom Kennedy could have claimed to have not been the driver used the conversation with the innkeeper as his support that he was in his hotel and have one of his men. Take the fall for the accident. Maybe he didn't because he knew through his lawyers has friends ends his power as a senator in the influence of the Kennedy name he would turn out just fine and he did though the chappaquiddick scandal did prevail over Kennedy's future efforts to run for president and likely is the key reason he never made it to the Oval Office. It's not like Kennedy's life was ruined in the aftermath of the incident. During his televised speech Kennedy called on the people of Massachusetts to help him work through the incident they did. I re electing him. Consistently over the next four decades people today are entitled to representation by men who inspire their their utmost confidence this reason I would understand full well why some might think it right for me to resign so I ask you tonight. People in Massachusetts think this through with knee facing the decision. I think your advice making it. I think you're praised the chappaquiddick. Incident is one of the most famous scandals in American political history. There are few instances. This is in the history of our country were sitting politician was embroiled in a case of manslaughter and managed to save some of his career in the fallout. We'll never know the full true story of what happened on that dark night in July by the two people who did are dead and in their wake all we can do is wonder overall. There's a clear theory that seems to be the absolute right one the missing our does seem to be real well. It's more than likely that Ted Kennedy's timeline of events regarding when he left the Party and when he crashed is not accurate and the deputy sheriff look did spot his car pulled over on the side of the road after midnight however are we can't steed whether this was deliberate deception on Kennedy's art or just a false recollection of events. If we accept that the missing our is real it also becomes easier to accept that Ted was drunk or at least somewhat somewhat impaired that night and that factored into the crash and his actions in the hours following but again it's impossible to save for sure and the case of Chappaquiddick the official story likely isn't the full truth ruth but with fifty years common gone since it happened. It's the only truth wherever going to get thanks again for tuning into our conspiracy theories summer of sixty nine special. If you enjoyed this episode checkout podcasts continued retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode episode of conspiracy theories next week. 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Coastal Banks:  Adapting to Climate Change at Wasque Beach on Marthas Vineyard:  Part 1 of a 3-part series with the Trustees of Reservations

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Coastal Banks: Adapting to Climate Change at Wasque Beach on Marthas Vineyard: Part 1 of a 3-part series with the Trustees of Reservations

"Hi Everyone. This is America. The climate change podcast. Head after's welcome back to a very special episode, this is the first and a three part series on doing with the trustees of reservations. The Trustees is a conservation organization based in Massachusetts. The focus of the series is on coastal adaptation conservation. Kicking off will be focusing on waste. We Beach, which is on Martha's Vineyard I. Originally planned to travel to Massachusetts record in person like I normally do, but with the onset of Covid nineteen just about everyone's plans changed. Changed radically that said with the podcast we had the luxury of recording remotely and I was able to interview experts and community members about way squeaky beach, and the adaptation efforts underway. This podcast is being funded by the trustees is doing this as part of their communication efforts from Massachusetts Office of Coastal Zone Management. Grant, they received so thanks to the trustees, and to ceesay 'em for funding the series. We'll have two more episodes focusing on North Point Beach. Vineyard and Crane beach just north of Boston. These are just several of many landholdings sets. Trustees manage preserve. You're going to go behind the scenes on how they are doubting their properties to climate change. We'll hear from experts and community members and get their thoughts on how these properties should be handled. This is our chance to go on the ground and hear how people value their coastal zone, and what steps they're willing to take to protect and adapt these areas to existing and future impacts of climate change. This was a fascinating opportunity for me to talk with people from Martha's vineyard a place, so many of us here about and. And how that island is approaching climate change? Yes, I was extremely disappointed I didn't get to go in person, but considering what's going on I. Consider Myself Very Lucky to get a chance to still talk with these folks and share their stories here on the podcast and you. My listeners will think you're there on the beach. Eating a Lobster Roll Okay First Office Thomas the director of coastal and Natural Resources at the trustees, going to give us some background on the grant received in what's going on at waste. We beach before a few stakeholders. Join me to share their own experiences all right. Let's take a journey to the vineyard. Hey adapters! I'm here with Tom O'Shea hi. Tom, welcome to the PODCAST Doug great to be here, so this is the beginning of the episode and I want to touch base with you, and to give some context of what we're talking about here so first off. Who are the trustees? This is the organization you work for. Who are you guys? Trustees? We are also known as the trustees of reservations and where the oldest land. Land Trust in America and we are located Massachusetts and we have about thirty plus properties along our coastline. We have about one hundred nineteen property statewide, but over thirty along our coastline, it makes us the largest private landowner coastline in the state, and we have about one hundred twenty miles that we owner protect and one of the places that we own and protect his down on Martha's Vineyard, twelve miles of beach and coastal. Coastal banks there, and they're on the frontlines of climate. Change some context to. We're GONNA. Be Talking about way squeaky beach in this episode. This is a three part episode that I'm doing with you. And what is the trustees coastal vision? And why is it so important to have this vision for land? Conservation Organization right in the important because I think in in the past land, conservation organizations have often thought about what they do. Do today carrying about stewardship of their beautiful resources and properties, they preserved for permanent open space protection, and for exceptional ecological cultural significance and for us. We now can't just think about today. We have to think about the future. And far into the future and sweet started to notice about five so years ago that we were witnessing a lot more changes to our coastline, it were really unprecedented, even accelerating from storm events in. Events, and so for us, the vision here was to begin to think about how we could help. Our properties are places adapt to climate change, and what does that mean? We had a real opportunity to showcase and highlight the work that we're doing the choices where making so that we can help others and other communities and our visitors members understand how these places are changing what we can do about it on that note talking about adaptation. What does coastal resilience meet you? Yeah, so this is interesting. Word in you know it's often used sometimes differently by people in what we're thinking about here is resilience isn't stopping change. Resilience means you're allowing change. Change, but you're also thinking about how you help the place bounce back from change and change could be erosion and could be storm events that you know really altered the places, these beaches, these coastal areas, and so how can we help them? Continue to function function well to serve the various values that we have whether it's habitat or public access and recreation storm protection, and so you know helping these places continue to adapt and function is part of how we see resilience, and you know sometimes that requires interventions on our part, perhaps in we're starting to explore that, or maybe it means letting nature take its course, but I think that's really the. For us as an organization is, went, intervene and went to things to change. I think we have to think about resiliency, not only in how we act, but just sort of how does that system continue to function I'm doing this podcast with you. As part of a caesium grant that you guys got around these issues. Could you give a little bit of background? Who are they and what's the screen about? Sure the Massachusetts Office of Coastal Zone Management is the lead state agency on coastal zone management, and that is a great thing for us in Massachusetts to have an agency that is very much involved in helping coastal land owners like the trustees adapt coastal communities adopt to impacts from storm in climate and sea, level rise, and so they have a grand program called the coastal resilience grant, and that grand does fun just in. In fact I think this particular grant is the first of its kind to fund a communications approach for nonprofits to share what they're doing in involve stakeholders in adaptation on the coast, and so we're kind of you know in a way kicking that off, not only for this grant program, but even the trustees themselves in our own work on the coast so that we're hoping that will do will be create some communication. Messages and an examples ways of communicating whether it's podcasts such as this that we can share with others so that there's some transferable learnings, and maybe they'll start podcasts for their situations, whether it's a community or a landowner like ourselves like you're thinking today. We're talking about way. Squeak beach. You're using waste squeak as a living laboratory to study, the vulnerabilities of coastal banks investigate potential adaptation methods. Why is this type of shoreline focus? And what does it? It face in the coming years, and what can be done to protect it sure coastal banks like waste. We dug their. They're really on the front lines about exposure to storms and sea level rise impacts, because these coastal banks are often facing, so they're right there, and they get a lot of wave energy that right on top of these coastal banks and some of these banks are not made rock, and some cases not even made sort of. Firmer, type, more dense gravel, but sand and so waste we one of these coastal banks, just glacial sand that's been deposited from thousands of years ago. In it's eroding way, and that means that everything on top of those banks in particular is also susceptible, so if let's say you had a house or in our case, parking lots and we have some trails. Those areas can be lost and in. We were getting close to that just about you know five years ago or so. When there was a breach in there was a lot of waves crashing against the bank, and there were landowners, and either side of us, that took actions one took his took action moved his house all the way back away from the banks after seeing the bank stabilization efforts were challenging and for us we. We were like wow, what are we going to do here? We're going to have to move our parking lots. That in this is a place where people come to the be tried so this is an important spot. Where people enter the coast. There was another homeowner nearby gut within eighteen feet of his summer residence there so these coastal banks are fragile there on the front lines and we have to think about. How do we make choices when we're close to these beautiful banks, right didn't allow these great vistas from the top of them and live on these banks. What do we do and so? This is a really great. I think for the trustees to kind of dive into this challenge a little bit because we're not the only ones crossed the coast Massachusetts that are on these very sensitive erode. -able coastal banks. So, the trustees organized a workshop that I was able to participate in remotely around way, Squeak Beach. What was the purpose of the workshop and invited? What were you hoping? Accomplish with it? Yeah, no great question Doug yes, so these workshops were set up to basically take an opportunity to present you know array of adaptation options. And get some input and feedback discussion going with local stakeholders that have a stake in either the values that they care about their. Perhaps they've done research about the side. Maybe there are a nearby local community or community official that's thinking about these challenges more broadly and to really get different perspectives on you know. What should we do here? Because at the end of the day? You know it's going to require a fair amount of investment. Investment in time and energy and money, and also if we don't intervene, you know there are consequences potentially have lost to to people who fish there come to recreate or live on similar coastal banks. What we thought we'd do is use these workshops has kind of a way to highlight illuminate more broadly how people react to climate change on coastal banks and what you know, what are the feelings? What are the thoughts what comes to mind? Mind where people lean one way or the other, and once you know we got through the workshop. We had generated some good discussions. We'll get into all that but I. mean you know you heard everything from lead aloneness is just historical trend. You can't stop it to others' saying. Maybe there's some more targeted things you can do to. You know slowdown erosion preserve values even use it as a learning platform as she said Doug to help. Help others see okay. How does it work when you try to stabilize these banks naturally, and what becomes of it, and so let's you know Kinda. Use It as a living laboratory in action, so we heard range of different things, and you know you'll hear more from other people from the workshops, but I think what we wanted to take all that together all that all those perspectives in star to show okay if you're in A. A statewide and the similar situation here, the perspectives you're gonNA. Get from people in the community, and it's really helpful because I think all of this is really about how we collectively think about adapting to change in climate and it you know we're just one land owner, but were part of a bigger community, and where you overall happy with the participation, the responses, and do you. It's going to drive some concrete decisions for the trustees in. In, the years ahead, yeah, mean I do think so. I think it is really was a good first robots effort to engage local perspectives in. I think it will help us because what we heard. Was You know let's not I think in this is to kind of give a a high level conclusion, but was well. I don't think for a landowner like the trustees. You need to protect all the banks and go to some great lengths. Lengths to do that. I mean you're kind of working against the tide. literally and figuratively and I think there was some thinking that hey you know. The trustees can really use this as a way to you know, the demonstration area, and maybe you can do some things in the short term to reduce case how we stabilize banks key areas, and also you might WanNa. Think about relocating and you know moving back some of these. These re parking lots and trails so I think it's helped to coalesce our own internal thinking in strategy. Doug and that's been really super valuable and I guess if there was one thing sort of missing and hope we can get more of this is the perspective that if you were a homeowner business and you're located on one of these banks, and you've got your assets and your, you know your home and residents and property in. In many case, your wealth located in such vulnerable position. What would you do and I think you know? The trustees don't have to face quite as much in this case waste we that kind of level of risk, and it'd be great to see if we can figure out. What what would you do if it was a much greater risk? And we do have some land owners nearby that that certainly face that choice for in for a period of years. Doug I. Guess that would be maybe another thing. We try to to get more of in the future. Okay, and here's some feedback for me. I had to participate remotely. Originally. I was going to be there in person I was hoping I was going to be eating lobster roll in getting to hang out with that, but. Didn't work out that way. Maybe next next time, right, tom so coming up are some interviews with people who participated in the workshop and live and work around waste. Que- beach. Can you give us a bit more context about these people who going to be talking to? Yeah, I think you're GonNa talk about with people that really know a lot about that site, and they'll bring a community perspective and your perspective about what it means to go out there and fish in the morning, and be out in such beautiful place and having access to this type of place. You may get some perspectives on. How far should we go? Go and protecting you know a place that is at such risk of loss in erosion, and what would be the kind of things in their mind would would say go to this level to act and stabilized the banks or or retreat, and you know I think it'll be great to to get much deeper and you know I. Think maybe a bit more. More of a deeper insight into you know what people think. Is the future here? So yeah I I'm hoping you'll get some really good local flavor in perspective, also historical perspective right because I think you know. Maybe some people have seen this happen in their lifetime at various stages, others have said they've done historical research. And you know this has been going on for hundreds. If Not Millennia in these places, so let's accept change in what's plan for it all right Tom Looking forward to sharing these conversations that I had an. I'm going to have you back at the end of this episode and we're going to wrap up so I'll talk to you soon. Wonderful looking forward to it. Thank you doug. Eight after's I'm here with Rick Shifter Iraq welcome to the PODCAST. Doug, are you? I'm doing well all right? Let's talk about what's going on Martha's vineyard, but first off. Are you a permanent resident? What's your situation with the island there now? I have a summer home here on Chappaquiddick which is an island off of Martha's Vineyard, but. I say summer, homeboy, it use it year round, but not permanent residents here so are the numbers actually pretty down with people visiting because of covid nineteen. You know it doesn't appear to be the case I'm sure it's down some but I think a lot of people came out. You're a little bit earlier being the vineyard as a good place to go to be corn to. And I think, there's some expectation that the church crab will be down some, but seemed reasonably busy over Memorial Day weekend. Okay so, how long have you been going out to? This home purchased the property in two thousand one. Okay, so even there while and I know you did an interview with Eric from the Nature Conservancy and you didn't participate in the trustees workshop. You did the interview, right? That's right. Do you have any relationship with the trustees? Are you a member? Yes, I'm a member of the trustees and I also serve on the Chappie steering committee, which is an advisory committee to. To the trustees, we're talking about the barrier beach and the issues of the bluffs. You know being damaged by storm advance, and how local residents are really responding in the trustees? We're having these conversations about what are the tough decisions everyone's going to have to make in regards to okay. Are People having to migrate inland and such that you have your own unique story? And I want to dig into that kind of quickly as you. You actually had to move your home. That's correct so why? What was happening there like, could you? Give us visually. How close were you to? The beach was at Norton Bead Waste. We and it's it's a little bit tough to visualize, but chappaquiddick. Most of the time is connected to Martha's vineyard across a two and a half miles spit referred to as as Norton Point, and Chappaquiddick is at the southeast corner of Martha's Vineyard. Spit runs from Martha's vineyard on the West to Chappaquiddick on the east, and what happened was a breach occurred on the spent which is. Very with from twenty to fifty yards or something, and this breach occurred in. Two thousand seven, and what happens when that breach occurs is there's erosion of the spit. To the east to Chappaquiddick but then this bit rebuild itself by creating from the West, so it creates from Martha's vineyard side and extends across. Instead of connecting at the closest point of Chappaquiddick, which would be the southwest corner of Chappaquiddick. It continues to just grow at run parallel to the south shore of Jeff acquitted, and actually only reconnect at the Far Eastern end of Chappaquiddick at the point all wastefully, and in that period of time where the spit is migrating parallel to the south shore of Jeff, quitting it creates a channel and the channel has water rushing through it fairly quickly, basically shaving off the southern portion of Chappaquiddick, and that's a process continues until this bit reconnects. reconnects at the eastern ended traffic WITTIG and that ends erosion process, because the water is no longer or flowing through it, and then that channel just naturally refills with sand, and you go from a point where essentially water crashing against watts at one point and a couple of years later you've got fifty. Two hundred yards of each that has replaced this breached occurred in two thousand seven man all. This process was unfolding with with no damage to the the block where we were in our home was three hundred feet away from the. and. That's age. We had substantial beach in front of us, but by two thousand twelve in I'd say sort of April two thousand twelve. We had at this point now essentially lost the beach in front of us, and we started the see erosion of the Blouse and You know initially. We thought that you know we lose twenty thirty feet bluff. That's not gonNA be a problem. We still have plenty of room. was something to to worry about, but not to be particularly anxious about. Then by August, two thousand twelve. Days where we would lose twenty or thirty feet in a single day, and it was now becoming increasingly obvious that unless a miracle happened, we can be insurance travel, and and so we consulted with coastal geologists who came out and the situation, and we asked whether they thought we needed to move the house for the House. Be threatened in its current location. I said maybe yes, maybe I don't know and that was not a particularly comforting i. And we talked to one of the engineers who helped with the instruction of the House and we did build a house after we've purchased the property. And he suggested that we explore the possibility of actually moving the house, and and so that's what we ended up. Doing was very complicated process, but we did find a firm that Confidence in their ability to move it and that the. As an interim step we did put up some temporary protection along the bluff in the form of very large sand filled burlap bags. Wade out half the time. To put them in place in that that swallowed the process some, but it was clearly not a permanent solution that was only intended to be temporary. End Helps. Give us some time and after we. Went through the process of identifying affirm that could do the work and getting the various approvals required from government authorities. We meant the process in a March two, thousand twelve and I don't know how much you want me to explain about the process. The actual physical move took place in July. And then we're back in the house in November of two thousand, thirteen, by which time Stanley the. Breach, not yet closed. It had gotten close enough to closure. The speed with which the water was sort of moving through that channel described had slowed that the Rozhin had slowed significantly, and by the time the you know, the breach closed obviously completed the house move an, and were once again on what we hope to be safe ground, a kind of a radical approach to dealing with encroaching seas and. In regards to like your own work with the trustees. What's going on and what? They were trying to do with that workshop? And I know you didn't intend but this idea of rising seas. You moved your house. Is there that concerns like all right? Despise US fifty years thirty years did that come into the decision making well? The thing is what we. Subsequently learned is this is part of an historic Adam of the breach occurring in that spit, and then over a lengthy cycle erosion occurs reattached, and then you have, of course you know you can have a creek. You can't have off, Crete, it need another ice age for that to occur. You know this is not problem. Laws by rising seas per se, it is caused by this other cyclical phenomenon that appears to occur. Occur a couple times a century. We hear lots about hundred year floods happing happening every other year. So you know there's there's no guarantee that were protected from any frankly liked time at all, and it's not a situation where lots of other coastal locations are subject to sort of ongoing erosion, and you can see you know. Maybe it's a few feet every year, but it's you know over a decade. You know how much. The lose you know they're? Percentage but in our situation actually remains stable when it's not in the erosion cycle, but when it's erosion, cycle is very dramatic in answer to your question. You know we don't know how long we bought. By this. As I was quoted in the press at the time, the place and I said I'm sure this issue will rise again, but I hope it's a problem. My grandchildren have to deal with. And my daughter suggested. That I, should have said I hope my grandchildren's grandchildren have to deal with it, but certainly assurance that the we'll be able to wait ultimately generations before having this problem again I think the big unknown is whether rising sea levels will exacerbate the problem and increase the frequency of this cycle a will. In regards to like you making the decision about okay. We need to move the home or not. Let's say you decided not to move the home. The bluffed continued to deteriorate in your home, actually just went into the sea. Our Unit I'm curious about you know people in insurance and such. Would they have covered such a thing or you're? You're liable. You just lose the home. The latter I don't think our insurance policy is exceptional, but. The Standard I think flood exclusion applies to erosion as well, and it's I think there's most homeowners policies specifically excluded Wlodzimierz there for a national flood insurance program, which is cap that I think one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Or something like that, this is not something that as a practical matter, you can ensure against and in regarding this experience that you went through and your relationship with the trustees, and they're really look exploring at what are some practical adaptation actions in the cost benefit of doing these things you. Your story must be a great case study as people talk about these things. Are you finding that that's coming up as you said I didn't. Didn't participate in the workshop, but I did participate in some discussions on with the trustees prior to that it, which in the course of that conversation? Yes, there was some discussion of some practical things perhaps could be addressed in all four it and I think we have some a shared interests along those lines you know. The trustees lost a lot more property than I did. It just didn't have structure that was threatened by A. There could be ways to its on circling our mutual interests. Do you have a favorite spot on the beach? Well. Depends on where the fish are. Right answer great answer. But we're right right by our houses to currents. Come together, it's so there's a significant group that's created which means it's off limits for swimming an. It's a great place for Bait to trap and is to be attracted, so ends up being very nice fishing spot all right well great. Thanks for your time. Chatting with your. Hate after I'm here with tear Barton tear welcome to the podcast. Hi Doug. How're you doing great? What's your relationship with what the trustees is doing here? I am a senior coastal geologist at the woods hole group here on Cape Cod and we were hired to do an alternatives analysis for some of the Trustees Martha's vineyard sites, looking at bomber abilities now in in the future related to shoreline erosion climate, change sea-level rise in helping them to come up with some adaptations to. You know how battle that tron erosion out there of the beaches, the coastal banks you know the natural areas they utilized for recreation, and that provide a lot of habitat for a whole bunch of different wildlife, including a number of state listed endangered species. Could you give just a brief explanation of what the Woods Home Group is? The Woods Hole Group. Is it environmental consulting firm mostly focused on marine coastal oceanographic analysis in studies. We do everything from beach. Nourishment projects to deep water, deep sea buoy as looking at waves, tides and currents. We do estuary studies we. We do a whole range of different things involving the Marine and coastal environment. It's an array of geologists Gozo engineers oceanographers on different types of scientists, and do you get out the Martha's vineyard? Allot for what you're doing with them. I do I spend most of my time in the vineyard. The majority of my projects are on the vineyard and have been on the Vineyard for out the past twenty years. I've been told group going on twenty two years now and the past twenty years. Most of my work has been out there. Some really familiar with the island. You don't live on the island, but you just go out frequently. Yep I live in Valmont jumped on the commuter ferry, which is right here in town can be over on the island in twenty minutes Oh. Wow I, remember seeing you give the presentation as part of that workshop that the trustees hosted. What was your sense of that workshop thought it went really well. We got some good feedback from some local homeowners out there in some of the other folks that were actually on the call. Follow up with some of the folks that had joined in and we did have some Issam interactive stuff going on, but I thought I thought it was really really good. In people. Raise some good questions about you know specifics of the project about the overseeing vehicle access. That's out there in you know. The Barrier Beach Processes, and a lot of people commented on how it's such A. A natural area, and why would you WanNa do things that would change that natural process and you know everybody had a different perspective on. It was some pretty bright folks on that call who have had a lot of experience on the vineyard, so I thought that that was interesting and I. Actually enjoyed listening to what they had to say about how these areas have changed over time. In interviews about doing, there's this tension that. You need if there's any management that's needed you. You're looking at short term and these are going to be benefits to the people, but then longer-term. What's you know we talked about it? That workshop is what sea level rise might mean so that tension of our the cost worth it. If in the long term, these things are GonNa Change, radically. What? What was your sense of that? Yeah in this is honestly this is a question that comes up on a long coastline when you're considering doing a project, so all of these projects temporary unless you're doing some sort of hard structure, coastal engineering structure in an area, all the sauce stabilization, green infrastructure living shoreline type stop. It is temporary, so there's always that you always have to weigh the cost with the benefit you know these areas highly use vineyard is is a big tourist destination. A lot of the revenue from the island comes. Comes from tourists coming to the island and having access to these beautiful natural areas. You know these sites are interesting, because the county is involved, DCR's involved. That's basically parks and REC for the state. The trustees are involves. There are a number of different on say homeowners, property owners that have a stake in these particular properties that we studied, but with sea level rise in especially with accelerated sea level rise. You know even to maintain some of these features from a recreational standpoint in the short term. You know some implementation has to be done for instance the oversee NBA ical access at this point in time. It's still usable, but it's. It's becoming not usable in the near future, because there's been so much erosion and over wash of the area that you know during the big storm events, the waves command, and they basically leveled it now. It's transitioning into bird habitat. You always have to outweigh the cost benefit. Though se ramp generates steps the overseeing vehicle ramp at Norton Point West and now generates a tremendous amount of money for the trustees of the county, which then goes back into. Maintenance, and all those other types of things, it's a it's a revenue pot there, but it's now because of Seila. Moore is coastal erosion. They're losing that ramp in. It's transitioning more into a bird habitat. This is the second year in a row that they've actually had plovers I. Don't know if it's flavors turns. Who have tried to nest? They are I. Don't think that either one of those now were successful. You know it's always a balance between the cost natural processes habitat has a big lane. All of these types of things right now because of the. The endangered species being protected. You know if you if you have infrastructure on your property, you know houses and buildings, and all that type of thing than you know, you may be more apt to do a project because you have infrastructure that you need to protect. It's pretty natural out here. You know this really not much out there. Other than some gravel parking lot. Some walking trails those types of things, so you know it. It's GonNa. Be a delicate balance retreating. How much money gets put into these interventions versus just let things happen naturally over time. Going to the island a longtime. What's your sense? Of the broader community, about longer term you think about climate change about some adaptation actions that are going to happen. You feel like you're hearing any chatter among the people outside the you know. The Trustees workshop that people are concerned about this. Yeah, the town is definitely concerned. That nice fight about the vineyard. Is that other than along the harbour? Shorelines, natural does not a tremendous amount of development along shoreline, but they do. Have you know State Road that connects oak bluffs to Edgar town that has been threatened in the past. The town in the county have done a really really good job of. Doing beneficial reuse of dredged material to build be job. They've got a beautiful beach now. That runs all along Sylvia's state beach from oak bluffs down into editor town with a pump sand up there. We've even done some projects where we've trucked some sand Dan we've we've created beautiful dunes, and they have a really nice, fairly wide each along there, but it's been a project that spent on the works. For Twenty five or thirty years you know in the town definitely has concerned. The town became MVP municipal vulnerability preparedness town last year right now we're doing a vulnerability assessment of all of the town assets or the town looking at. What structures are in flood zones in the critical structures and flood zones and coming up with adaptations for them to get things out of the flood zone, especially looking at future, two, thousand, thirty, two, thousand, fifty, two, thousand, seventy in trying to help them plan for the future. So you know the town has great dredging and beach nourishment program. They've got about forty dredging and beach. Nourishment sized with actively dredged the navigation channels and they they put sand in all of the locations each year where they think that they need it the most in their active in there, the programs always growing and out I. do a lot of work with them on that program is very very proactive about. Trying to maintain their beaches for recreation in protection of upland, infrastructure and resources so I think that a lot of people were local homeowners on the island, also who have properties that are in the coastal zone and you know it seems like everybody in the town I mean people all across the island, but especially your tongue, because you know it's, it's. It's pretty densely developed water year round people there, and they do a really really good job of trying to maintain their beaches. What's next for you in any involvement with what the trustees are going to be doing? And what sort of came out of that workshop? So basically for the project that we were John we were hired to actually not necessarily come up with recommendations, but come up with options implementation so basically these are the different sites that we have you know using all of the existing data that you have including the coastal vulnerability assessment that would sold group did for the trustees last year. Can you tell us which sites the most vulnerable right now and based on that data and knowing which sites the most vulnerable? Can you tell us what type of options there are for providing protection to those areas whether at the some toast stabilisation using fiber rolls all Natural Beach Nourishment Dune Restoration beach grass, those types of things, so we looked at all twelve miles of coastline came up with the three areas that we thought were the most vulnerable over time that was waste. We Point Norton Point. Beach the barrier beach and the Norton Point over San Vehicle Ramp and then we provided a list of different types of alternatives that they could implement in any one of those locations that would help to sustain those locations you know, sustain the habitat and. We looked at a number of different ones. And then we came up with cost for each of those, so we didn't necessarily make recommendations. Hey, you should do this here, but we more said Hey. These are the things that you can do here in this is what the permiting process is going to be like. You know this is what the costs are going to be. This is how long it's potentially ask, so we gave them all the information that they needed to make educated decisions about whether or not they would move forward with one or two or however many one of these interventions that they saw fit. Do you have a favorite spot on Waste Beach you know? I every time I. Go out there. I'm totally amazed in I had said to Tom. OCE that. When we did the drive through so basically we came over the dike bridge on Chappaquiddick and we started that Leland Beach. We went all the way to the south in all the way around ways. Down along Morton Point Beach we came out at the other end Norton Foot beach at the West in the over. SAN, vehicle access to get back out onto the to the mainland in it. Honestly it has been a a bucket list item. I have been on the island working for twenty years, and I never ever had had the opportunity a lot of those years there was no access long squeeze in northern point and so. So I had basically told him that that was one of the best days. I've ever had in the field. Twenty five years of being coastal geologists that was one of my best as ever in the field to actually be out there and driving along that in in thinking about how that whole process happened over time out grain by grain of sand that whole Norton Point. Barrier Beach extended all the way from the West. More than a mile like just deposited grain by grain, and came down and attached away scree, and where attached away squeaky with Barry, beach a task attached away great. You know there's this really neat little water body that sits between the barrier beach in waste. We point, and I can honestly say that. It's one of my favorite places that I have ever been I mean it's just a beautiful spot when you go over to as we and you park in. In one of those parking lots you walk long walking trails, and you have such incredible view of the ocean and the beach. You know you're up high in the top of the trails are fairly close to the edge of the bluff. Right now you know I've been seeing this area for a long time so immediate out right now. Knowing that you know ten years ago, the shifter house would falling into the ocean in now this beach out in front stats. Four or five hundred feet wide. You know it's just it's. It's amazing to me. I mean the natural process is is it's really incredible? My favorite part is probably when you stand on the beach outweighs. Que- knowing that five or six years ago, there was no beach. They are was the channel and now it's absolutely gorgeous Barrier Beach I. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing spot. Terror thank you so much for coming on and sharing your perspective. Thank you so much for having me great. Hate after's I'm here with Chris Kennedy Hi Chris Welcome to the podcast. Doug thanks so much. For having me on well, it's my pleasure and I want to hear all about Martha's Vineyard, but first off, you work for the trustees. What do you do with them? Well Doug, I am the down island stewardship manager, which is a fancy way of saying the beach manager for the trustees hero Martha's vineyard, but a particularly on Chappaquiddick. Island and Norton Point Beach which is a very long narrow barrier beach that connects the main island of Martha's vineyard to Chappaquiddick Island. Would you consider way squeak part of the area that you manage? Yes. It is yes waste. We is part of Chappaquiddick Island. In fact, it's the extreme southeast corner at the fascinating place where the waters of Muskegon channel which is the body of water that separates Martha's vineyard and the tuck target. Those waters primarily flow north and south and waste. We is at the southeast corner in is the intersection if you will of the? The currency flow from the south side along the south side of the island called the long shore current, so it's interesting location where waters collide from Muskegon channel and the Atlantic Ocean and brings about lots of changes. So how long have you been doing this work? And I mean you you live on the island, right? Yes, in fact, I live at waste. My family and I have been here for I've been with the trustees for thirty two years. We've waste we for the past seven years and We live here year round, so it's been. A terrific experience for us, so we're talking about some of the things that are impacting the beach there talking about climate change that had a to climate change, and so the trustees hosted a workshop that you were able to participate in, and it's looking at some of the options of for the beaches there. What did you think of the workshop? I thought it was really informative. It was a wonderful opportunity for us to hear from our experts at the woods hole group, which is will known A. A consulting group at Woods Hole Massachusetts as well as to hear input from many of our neighbors from some of our community members, government, officials, death, lots, or as a climate change, sea, level, rise, and the impact that it's going to have or especially here wastefully as well as Drug Norton Point so was really the me it was. It was an eye opening experience right, and so you're there right there on the resource, and if you look at some of the models, scenarios or the future. Speculation of what's going to happen there you must have been. thinking. Wow, this is going to make my job harder. Yeah, no, there's no question about it that it's you know what we're seeing here at way. Squeak as well as Norton, point is really the unfolding of a an incredible situation with sea level, rise, rising much faster than we thought it was going to rise as well as climate change, which is going to bring in does bring in species of wildlife that we haven't seen before and the requirements that they have as far as being able to feed to nest and rest on their migration south so it. It is like trying to juggle fifteen balls in the air. All at once in its innovative makes the job very interesting, but it is. The job is far more complex now than it than it has been in the past three decades for me. Were there any surprises in what people supported because one of the common themes was just? What are the costs associated with this? Should we invest now? Even though potentially with sea level rise? It's going to be all for not but you. You have to think about short term when you're dealing with people now absolutely. You. Know the the one thing that really kind of struck me during the workshops was. So many people thinking in terms of impacts to me today powers sea-level rise, and how is Rhodesian how is that impacting me and my experience on the beach today this year next month this summer and the the interesting thing is with sea level rise in with climate change. We have to be thinking long term and it really when it comes to cost you know some things we throw a lot of money at short term, adaptations, short-term management decisions, but in the long run does. Does that make sense, and that's part of what the workshop really looked at was. What makes sense not only short-term, but more importantly term for the trustees as well as for those of us who live on this island off the coast of Massachusetts Heights you participate in the workshop in obviously very relevant to the work that you do, but you go back to your office. How do you digest that information? How does it affect the how what you're doing on the ground there? You're sure well. I think the one thing that we have to look at is. There are some critical places on this beach that really have to be protected at without really concerning ourselves first and foremost with the cost, so for instance the entrance to Norton Point Beach in Edgar Town. non-point beach provides really vital link between the main island. Martha's Vineyard the island of Chappaquiddick. It's it's the land bridge. If you will so for many many people, it is a critical access route from the main portion of Martha's vineyard to Chappaquiddick island where they live where they work, so that's that's clearly one of the things that we have to look at is. We need to the entrance to Norton Point Right now. For instance is jeopardized because of massive amounts of erosion over wash, so we have to look at that very differently than another section of beach for instance waste. We'd point where we. We have several hundred acres of open open land behind the cliffs at ways, Que-, so in some areas we can allow sea level rise as well as climate change. Really you know if means we lose some of that land, we lose that land whereas at the entrance to North Point, we're so vital, not only for wildlife resources, but also for for humans to access chappaquiddick island. That's an area where we have to decide I think and and what are the things that we heard in the workshops? You need to protect those most critical strategic areas, and so that was very very helpful to. Hear and I think it really confirmed or re-confirmed our own thinking that you know some areas you have to retreat other areas. You really have to stand for. There a long time in regarding you must interact with the public there, and it's probably a very interesting demographic long-term residents, but a lot of tourists probably very sophisticated people. What's your sense of what they think about climate change? Are they even thinking about that term for the island? You know I don't think that the into Taliban that people really are thinking long term with regards to climate, change and sea level rise I. Think again as I said earlier I, think they they really view. It's impact to me today. How is it impacting me? Today is giving me access to the beaches at allowing me be able to drive to my home on Chappaquiddick, so I think that one of the things that we really need to stress now and in the future is that long is a. A is a sea-level rise. is here for a long time, so we need to begin to think today as far as what are those changes? How are they going to impact? Not only us, but our kids. Our grandchildren and we need to start thinking about you know the the actions we take today are GonNa have long term impact, so they need to be well thought out, and they need to be taken in terms of the long-term point of view. Do you have a favorite spot on waste beach? Well absolute waste we point is by far my most favorite spot on Martha's Vineyard BEC. I'm happy to say that. In all of the trustees, many many holdings across the state wastefully point to me is the most breathtaking. The Guy I may be one of those strange people that I love change. I love to see you know. Wake up in the morning. Want down to the beach and I never know what I'm going to experience at wasted. Because the beach itself has changing so much and it. Really IT'S A it's a world of of turmoil. It's world of chaos, but it's also very structured. Let me give you an example. Last week. I travelled around waste we point, and we probably had about two hundred feet of beach, but between the upland and the edge of the. Went by early today and we might have fifteen feet. All of that was lost in the in terms of to six now next week. It could be completely different. We may have that two hundred feet of beach back again. That is such an amazing thing to be able to watch not long term, but short term I. Don't know of any other place in the in the northeast. We you see that kind of of change in the landscape of our beaches as we do it waste weak point all Chris. That was great I appreciate that thanks for coming on. The thanks for having me. Okay Tom. You're back, so we just heard from a variety of different voices talking about these issues at. The beach. What do you want the public to take away from these findings from the workshop and everything that you're doing here? And so we had two people that participated in the actual workshop itself. But what? What do you want, the public to take away from this I want the public to take away that we in all of us are pivotal moment in time where I think we have some time to make some choices. That are thoughtful that we you can find a way to I. Guess Signal How we're going to respond to climate change and what we do today will set the tone for tomorrow. It will sort of chart the course for the future and I think that these discussions today are will be sort of critical on setting on a trajectory that navy is a new way for all of us to be thinking about what it means to live on the coast, and what it means to live with the future of climate change and how we respond I. Mean it's really about choices and each choice has has a trade off, and this is the. The time now to start thinking through what those choices are, and I mean in a positive way, too, because I think, we have some time to make good choices and in doing so I think we're. We're really putting it the next generation better position in terms of what they'll face and their challenges so I hopefully so what's next for the trustees regarding squeaky beach and I just wanted to put out there. I certainly appreciate the fact that you've got this grant for Caesium that you guys. The trustees thought podcast would be a good medium and to their credit. This is something they want to fund and I. I think this is. Excellent formation I think a lot of my listeners are going to be thrilled with what you guys are doing there, but again Kudos to you look into podcast to share this information, but sort of what's next for you guys now. What's next for us while I? Mean I want to echo your comments about cesium the grant, because without their support and funding, and really giving momentum to these kinds of ideas. We just couldn't do it none of us can I mean we really need that kind of support and Cesium I. Think you know understands that the trustees touch many people through. Through our properties in our programs and we have a half million people come to our beaches each year, and so it's a great partnership that we've had with Caesium, and we really thankful that they have given us this opportunity to really think through the future of these sites use them as models for how you know other communities and other coastal land owners can respond because I mean that's what this is all about. We can't do it alone, so let's transfer and and make known how we're all dealing with these challenges so great that ziems been there F- to help us and. Engage deeply into a place like way Queen, which I think is a great example statewide of the challenges that are being faced at these types of coastal areas like you know. We look forward. I actually think this agreement has helped us. Start to set forth trajectory for how we will respond and I think we've also got some buying. In at least some some thoughts perspective that has raised the the the wariness and the engagement of people about what we're doing so really to me. I mean we're at a new perks now. As a result of this grant, end super super happy about that in excited to move beyond this and. And I would also say that the podcast is is really great way to get a much richer discussion and conversation that we can also share, and that people can think more deeply about so thank you, doug for for being a part of this last question and this is what I've asked. All my guests and I want you to answer is what is your favorite spot at waste, beach? Oh, that's a great question. I, mean I. It's funny because we've been talking I've been thinking about the place. So. There's two spots I know you want one spot, but the first spot I think of is at the top. There's a little lookout trail, and you can look over the the banks and look just amazing cosign, and just the the ocean I mean. Just you know it's a great feeling to just be at the edge of this coastal bank, and you feel like in some ways you're at the edge of the world right and it just takes your mind and brings you to a whole different place and experience, beautiful, gorgeous plus the scenes in the evening. You know a sunset sunrises just beautiful up there. I mean it's really really at the edge of the Massachusetts in many ways when. When you're at that spot and then I would also say down at the bottom of the banks. There's this really nice little like swimming Paul or swimming area where the sort of quatre is kind of trapped in a little pool area down at the base of the banks, and that's just a really fun place to go and cool off and this wonderful spot, and also I'll just say that it's a really historic area, and so you know there's been a long native American presence in the area and associated with these types of council bank, so you feel like you're also brought back in time and real appreciation that other people and other communities long before US joint similar experiences. Okay, Tom, it's been a real pleasure working with you and sharing these stories and thanks for the work that you're doing and thanks for coming on. Thank you doug. Bene- pleasure. Okay adapters that is rap, one an awesome experience for me to talk with the people of Martha's Vineyard and the trustees, and to learn what they are doing with coastal adaptation I'm very encouraged by their efforts. Adaptation sausage making and you got to hear I. Tand how these communities in Massachusetts are approaching climate adaptation. We had two more episodes in this series one focusing on crane beach and one focusing on North Point Beach back on Martha's Vineyard. Thanks again to all those who participated and thanks to the trustees, and to the Massachusetts Office of Coastal Zone Management for funding episode. Okay adapters keep up the great work. I'll see you next time.

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Scandal 49: Chappaquiddick

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Scandal 49: Chappaquiddick

"In the year leading up to the twenty twenty election we're counting down the biggest political scandals in American history. This is number forty nine the chappaquiddick incident during the run-up to the two thousand sixteen presidential election then candidate handed it. Donald trump famously boasted that he could shoot someone dead in the middle of Fifth Avenue and still not lose any voters at the time. This statement was largely viewed as a typical example of trump's braggadocious headline hunting style. Nobody really thought his political career career could survive such a shocking event or could it in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. A similar question was put to the test by Ted Kennedy a prominent. US Senator with presidential ambitions on July Eighteenth Nineteen. sixty-nine Kennedy was involved in an incident and that led to a young woman's death. This incident was so shocking that it became singularly tied to the small island where it took place. Yes it is known by a single word Chappaquiddick. Welcome to political scandals. A podcast original. I'm Richard and I'm kate. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream political scandals for for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type political scandals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help. Perhaps there is no decade that shaped American history more than the nineteen sixties and perhaps there is no family that shaped the nineteen sixties. More than the Kennedys led by Patriarch. Joseph senior the blue blueblooded. Kennedy's were as close as you could get to. American royalty from their compound in Hyannis Port Massachusetts. It seemed like the Kennedys as churned out one political superstar after another but by nineteen. sixty-nine the Kennedys were in crisis after. John Jeff Kennedy was assassinated in nineteen sixty three. His brother Robert met a similar fate during his own presidential campaign in nineteen. Sixty eight with Robert steph. The last of Joseph Seniors Progeny with great political ambitions was Edward Ted Kennedy elected to the US Senate in one thousand nine hundred sixty two. At only thirty years old Ted was expected to carry on the family legacy and as the summer of nineteen sixty nine nine dawn. Many Americans expected the now. Thirty seven year old senator to announce a presidential campaign at any moment the summer of of nineteen. sixty-nine was a microcosm of the momentous change that had occurred throughout the decade from the withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam to to the stonewall riots to the Manson murders. It seemed like there was a major news headline every day in late. July of sixty nine the entire higher country was focused on the impending Apollo Eleven Moon Mission which officially commenced on July sixteenth. Ignition sequence. Start six five four three along with an estimated twenty five million Americans Ted Kennedy was surely glued to his TV V.. Watching Neil Armstrong Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins blast off into space after all the Apollo eleven mission was the culmination the nation of his brother. John's legacy eight years earlier on May twenty fifth nineteen sixty one John F. Kennedy had announced to the world world that America would put a man on the moon before the decade was done though he didn't live to see it happen. JFK's bold promise was finally being fulfilled as he watched the Apollo Eleven rocket. Ascend into the heavens. Ted Kennedy may have also been thinking about his the other likewise assassinated brother Robert. Perhaps Ted Kennedy was feeling nostalgic for Simpler Times on July Eighteenth Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine two days after the Apollo eleven mission blasted off. He hosted a small party on Chappaquiddick island. The purpose. The party was officially. Thank a group of women known as the boiler room girls who had earned their nickname by tirelessly working on the nitty gritty details details of Robert. Kennedy's presidential campaign with the one year anniversary of Robert Steph. Just past the party was a great way to celebrate his memory. Sorry and reunite the people who believed in his cause the most maybe Ted Kennedy also wanted to ingratiate himself with this group of talented women. After all many people assumed he'd be taking a crack at the presidency in the seventy two election if he had the boiler room girls in his corner he would have a great shot at the big job and there was no better way to get on their good side then by throwing a party in their honor even before the dark events that were on the horizon. The party chappaquiddick had a scandalous edge. The six women in attendance for all under thirty and single while the six men were all older and married save for one of them. Furthermore furthermore the men's wives were not invited to the festivities. It would be easy to jump to the conclusion that the party was anything but an innocent gathering rang however pundits and journalists have generally agreed that there wasn't anything untoward going on the women. Were all staying the night at the Catalunya Shores Motor Inn at nearby Edgar town while the men were staying at the Shire town in a little ways from the women's lodging none of the guests seemed to be put it off by the rumors that could spring from such party. Everyone was ready to have a good time. The rented cottage was stocked with one and a half gallons of vodka four-fifths fifths of Scotch two bottles of rum and a few cases of beer. My all accounts. This amount of alcohol was a bit overzealous in the aftermath math of the day's events all the attendees have vowed that nobody had more than two or three drinks. But the relative temperance didn't mean nobody had a good time. Stakes were grilled drinks were poured and there was some dancing around eleven. Fifteen P M Kennedy decided he was done for the night. There was a sailing regatta the next day and he wanted to be well rested not wanting to disturb. The festivities Kennedy quietly grabbed his keys from his chauffeur for John Crimmins and headed out the door but he didn't leave the party alone. According to Kennedy Twenty eight year old. Mary Jo Kopechne. He was feeling ill since Kennedy was already heading back to Edgar town. She asked him to give her a lift he obliged nobody thought much about their early departure. The party was in full swing they would see Kennedy and Kopechne e in the morning perhaps ups they should have been more concerned around seven. AM The next morning. The ferry between Edgar Town and Chappaquiddick opened for business the day's first passengers across the one hundred fifty yard channel where science teacher Robert Samuel and fifteen year old. Joseph Kapela Avella. The two of them had come to Chappaquiddick for some early morning. Fishing after having no luck along the coast they decided to cast their lines off if a bridge above Polka pond. As Samuel stood over the water he noticed the dark outline of a car resting at the bottom of the approximately six foot deep pond. He end cap. Avella immediately. Ran to a cottage four hundred feet away and called the police Edgar town police chief dominant James Arena arrive. Ten to fifteen minutes later wasting no time. He jumped into the water and swam towards the car but he couldn't reach it. The current coming from the ocean was too strong arena returned to his cruiser and radioed the dispatcher dispatcher. To send the Fire Department's rescue diver John Farrar at once has arena waited for Farrar to arrive. He had one of his officers. Run the submerged cars plate which was just visible from outside the pond L.. Seven eight Dash 200 seven for our arrived a few minutes later around eight forty five. AM in full scuba gear but arena was too preoccupied with a new development to pay much attention attention to what was happening underwater. The plates said come back. The car belonged to Ted Kennedy still clutching one end of Harar safety. Line Reno could barely process the implication of what he had just heard. Nobody had reported an accident the night before. If Ted Kennedy had been in the car when it crashed he was probably still inside but Kennedy wasn't in the car there was only the body of a solitary woman she was located in the upended car's backseat. Her face pressed up towards the full. In Ferrara's opinion this painted a grim picture. He believed that the woman hadn't died upon impact or been knocked unconscious. No she had survived the crash and did everything. She could to stay alive but the rescuers had come too late by the time for our pulled her from the wreckage. The woman was long dead while well farrar searched the river for additional bodies. A tow truck arrived to pull the car from the pond. Police chief arena was relieved to hear that the driver had just scene Ted Kennedy near the Chappaquiddick ferry landing. What had happened was horrible? But at least he didn't have a dead Kennedy on his hands as arena tried to convince dispatch to send someone to talk to Kennedy his deputy sheriff. Christopher haug looked junior pulled him aside look told arena that he had seen a car similar to Kennedy's the night before if it was indeed the same car then look comite be the only eyewitness to the previous night's events but arena pushed him aside. He didn't have time for his deputy at the moment he he needed to get in touch with Ted Kennedy by nine thirty. Am Word had finally reached the senator about the wrecked car. According according to eye witness accounts he wasn't particularly agitated when he stepped off the ferry from Edgar town about a half hour earlier he had even seem downright cheerful but when she arenas messenger gave him. The News. Kennedy didn't waste any time heading straight for the police station. To give a statement statement once he arrived the dispatcher radioed arena at the scene as arena hopped into a colleague's car to head for Edgar town deputy look pulled him aside for a second time. He reiterated that he saw Kennedy's car the night before some time around twelve forty five. Am but once again. Dan Arena brushed him off. He was more focused on his interview with a US senator. But if he had known the controversy he was about to step up into arena might have paid more attention coming up the events from the night of of July eighteenth nineteen. sixty-nine come to light and now back to the story around eleven fifteen in pm on the night of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine thirty seven year. Old Senator Ted Kennedy left a party on Chappaquiddick island with a twenty eight year old. Mary Jo Kopechne e the next morning. Kennedy's overturned car was found at the bottom of title pool. Although the senator wasn't and didn't vehicle his companions dead body was around nine thirty. The next morning Kennedy was informed that his car had been discovered with a dead woman inside. He headed straight for the Edgar Town Police Department and by ten. AM He was sitting down with police. Chief Dominic Dominic James Arena to make a statement as arena would later recall. The power dynamic was not the usual one of police officer and person of of interest for starters when arena arrived at the station. He was still in the wet clothes he had worn when he dived into the pond. In contrast Kennedy he was put together wearing clean dry clothes he projected the image of unimpeachable American integrity. The situation was was rendered even stranger. By the fact that when the police chief arrived Kennedy was using arenas office to make some phone calls and it was Kennedy not arena. who had back up? He was accompanied by former us. Attorney Paul Markham one of the guests from the party until that point arena was operating under the assumption that the woman he found in the car had been the only passenger so in Kennedy immediately admitted that he was the one driving the car arena was placed on the back foot. What shocked arena so much was how oh uninjured Kennedy looked he would have never guessed? The senator had been in a massive car crash less than twelve hours before Kennedy. He had no visible injuries. No cuts or bruises. He wasn't wincing from lingering pain but Kennedy insisted that he had been driving driving the car. After conferring with the lawyer privately Kennedy provided arena with a statement dictated to and handwritten by Markham it read on July Eighteenth Nineteen. sixty-nine at approximately eleven fifteen pm in Chappaquiddick. I was driving. My car are on Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgar town. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto dyke road instead of bearing during hard left on Main Street after proceeding for approximately one half mile on dyke road. I descended a hill and came upon a narrow narrows bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me. One missed Mary. Jo Kopechne E. The car turnover dover and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and window of the car. But have no recollection of of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car I was unsuccessful. In the attempt I was exhausted and in a state of shock I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a a car parked in the front of the cottage. And I climbed into the back seat. I think I asked for someone to bring me to Edgar town. I remember walking around down for a period and then going back to my hotel room when I fully realized what had happened this morning. I immediately contacted the police. Of Of course that last sentence wasn't true Kennedy had only gone to the authorities after he was informed that his car had been found and while arena had been extremely accommodating up to that point he had a few questions for the senator but Kennedy wasn't talking since he had just potentially confessed to a crime. He didn't want to say any more until he had contacted the family lawyer. Burke Marshall Additionally Kennedy asked Arena to hold off on releasing the statement until Marshall was looped in the chief was willing to honor. Kennedy's request request. Once the statement went public Kennedy would be inundated with questions. It was natural for him to want his lawyer by his side. However arena wasn't the only law enforcement officers circling the case? Because the car accident had involved a fatality. The registry of motor vehicles vehicles was legally required to look into the matter and the two inspectors who showed up at the Edgar town. Police Station wanted to talk to Kennedy right way before diving into their questions the inspectors red Kennedy his Miranda Rights. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to an an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney one will be provided for you. In case the questioning turned serious. The investigators had to cover all their legal basis. However that also meant Kennedy? Didn't have to say anything without his lawyer present and until he could talk to Burke Marshall he was going to keep his mouth shut. Since Kennedy wasn't being charged with a crime yet he was free to leave the station. and Head Ed. For the family compound in nearby Hyannis Port in fact chief arena even arranged for a local resident to fly him there on a private plane so after a short ten minute flight Senator Kennedy was safely ensconced in the family compound surrounded by his family and closest advisors. It was time for Damage Control unbeknownst to the folks back at the Edgar Town Police Station family lawyer Burke Marshall was already waiting for Kennedy when he arrived at Hyannis port. The first order of business was to keep the story consistent that meant Kennedy had to keep quiet and nobody from the party could say anything about what happened the night before. Even though Kennedy's statement hadn't been released yet there was no taking it back and if any of the guests contradicted what he had told arena. It could be very bad next. Marshall had the family doctor examined Kennedy right away since he had told arena that he left the party on Chappaquiddick around eleven. Fifteen PM. That meant around ten hours had passed before. He admitted his role in the accident. To the police. To to account for this massive time gap it would be very helpful if Kennedy was diagnosed with some sort of head injury. Sure enough. The doctor doctor told Kennedy that he had a minor concussion. Now this isn't to say the diagnosis was an accurate but judging from police chief arenas is observational. Kennedy seemed very much with it even if he did have a concussion. It strains credulity to believe that he wasn't coherent aren't enough to report the accident as soon as it happened or at least before. Ten hours had elapsed as for the accident itself. Kennedy's advisors were to make it as difficult to investigate as possible at the scene of the accident. The associate medical examiner had ruled. Mary Jo Kopechne is cause of death as drowning because he concluded there was no foul play involved. An autopsy would only be required if if the district attorney called for it and that was very good for Kennedy. We don't know if pressure from Kennedy's camp had anything to do with it it but no autopsy was ever performed on. Mary Jo Kopechne as body before the decision could be reversed. The body was embalmed and flown to a funeral home in her native Pennsylvania. Additionally Kennedy's fixers arranged to have his car taken from the site and placed in storage as quickly as possible by keeping it out of the public eye there was less chance of attracting additional scrutiny however a wrench was thrown into their carefully laid plans by someone. They thought was in their corner around three PM that afternoon on July nineteenth police chief arena released Kennedy statement although he had promised Kennedy he wouldn't release the statement until Burke Marshall contacted him too much time had gone by to keep waiting any longer. The story had broken locally and reporters were practically typically knocking down arenas door with complete radio silence. Coming from Kennedy's Camp Arena. Felt like he had no choice but to read the Statement Verbatim to the reporters who were packing into the hallway. Outside his office twice he was in the middle of his third recitation. And when a phone call came in for him it was Paul Markham the former. US Attorney who had accompanied Kennedy to the police station he still Jill had no idea that arena had released the statement to the press according to the book Chappaquiddick Power Privilege. And the Ted Kennedy Cover up by Leo Damore. The conversation went something like this when arena got on the phone Markham asked if he could hold off on releasing the statement for a little longer lying through his teeth. Markham claimed they hadn't been able to get a hold of Burke Marshall yet while arena was sympathetic. There was nothing he could do. He had already released the statement in response. Markham said only two words. Oh Jesus realizing how displeased Kennedy would be arena. Tried to explain himself. He pointed out that he hadn't heard from them for several hours with reporters clamoring for more information. He had little choice in the matter. He tried to reassure Markham emphasizing that he was treating the case as a basic motor vehicle investigation since Mary Jo Kopechne is death has been ruled in accidental drowning. There wasn't a criminal component but the assurances fell on deaf ears. Markham hung up on him with the cat out of the bag. Reporters sought out a response ons from Kennedy but all they got was deafening silence. The embattled senator was not talking however now that his statement was released. The press was free to turn to other sources namely Mary Jo Kopechne his parents by four pm on on the nineteenth barely an hour after arena released the statement Kopechne. His father had given the reporters what they wanted. Although Kennedy had called Kopechne as parents earlier that day to offer his condolences Mr Kopech knee revealed that he had said very little according to him. All the senator had said was Mary Jo was in an accident an automobile accident. She was returning to take a ferry back to the mainland mainland. When the accident occurred for two grieving parents this was precious? Little Information Kennedy hadn't even said he was the one driving the car when pressed about what he did know. Mr Kopechne revealed that he was aware that his daughter and a few other women from Robert. Kennedy's campaign had gone to Martha's Vineyard for the weekend he wasn't sure what the occasion was but he knew they had gone to a party with Ted Kennedy. Although Mr Kopechne it didn't realize it he had just dropped a bombshell until that point Kennedy had never said anything about a party. If Mary Jo Kopechne he had died from an honest accident. That was one thing but a party. Men Alcohol and alcohol raised the specter of drunk driving. All of a sudden the story became came much more complex. None of Kennedy's advisers had been anticipating a serious criminal inquiry until that point. The team had been focused on preserving Kennedy's political career. Now they had to preserve his freedom coming up Ted Kennedy and his team scramble to stay ahead of Chappaquiddick story now that to the story around four. PM on the afternoon of July nineteenth nineteen sixty. Nine Mary Jo Kopechne. His father dropped a bombshell about his twenty eight year. Roll daughters debt. It had happened after a party hosted by Ted Kennedy wants Mr Kopech knees. Comments were released. The Kennedy Spin Spin machine was firing on all cylinders. The senators advisors now had to deal with too damaging implications first that Mary Jo Kopechne it was in the car with Kennedy because they were having an illicit relationship and second that Kopechne is death might have involved drunk drunk driving throughout the rest of the day. Even more advisors and lawyers flocked to the Kennedy Family Compound at Hyannis Port. This was a code red. They needed all hands on deck. Luckily another Kennedy centric event was keeping the press from digging too deeply the Apollo eleven eleven astronauts would be landing on the moon the following day. It was as if John F. Kennedy was running interference for his little brother from the grave. But even the moon landing couldn't keep the media occupied for long within twenty four hours. The chappaquiddick story was gracing racing headlines across the nation. By the morning of July twentieth reporters were swarming over Chappaquiddick. There wasn't much to see. The island was only five miles long and three miles wide with a single paved road running through it. And that's what was so damning damning for Kennedy one of the main points in Kennedy's police statement was that he was unfamiliar with the roads. He claimed he had mistakenly turned turned onto the road leading to the bridge from which his cars so fatefully plunged on the surface. This explanations seem to have some merit up until until that fateful Dr Kennedy had been chauffeured around the island. It was certainly plausible that he had been distracted by work or just hadn't paid much attention attention to his surroundings however the reality of Chappaquiddick layout made the argument rather suspect. Since there was only one main in Rhode he wouldn't need any extensive knowledge of the islands lay out in order to get from the cottage to the ferry dock. Also it would have been very difficult to accidentally turn onto the road leading to the bridge. The part of the road in question curved sharply to the left and there was a large light reflecting selecting Arrow signed to indicate this for Kennedy to end up where he did he had to make decisive right hand. Turn onto the bridge road and one more thing. The bridge road was unpaved. An extremely rutted. Even if Kennedy had mistakenly gone down it he would have immediately realized that he was going the wrong way but there was more than speculation. That Kennedy wasn't on the road by accident. There was an eyewitness some time on July twenty nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine. Several reporters spoke to police. Deputy Christopher look the day before chief arena. Hadn't been that interested in what looked was trying to tell him about the accident the reporters however were very eager to hear him out. The night of the crash look had been providing security for a dance at the Edgar Town Yacht Club after the festivities ended. Live at twelve. Thirty a m look got into his car and boarded the ferry back to his house on Chappaquiddick at twelve forty five. Am Look was driving living down the island's main road when he saw the headlights of a sedan coming towards him not wanting to take any chances that late at night look slowed slowed down as the sedan crossed paths with his truck because he was going so slowly the deputy was able to get a decent look at who is in the car. A man was driving with a woman in the passenger seat. It looked like there was something in the back either some clothing or another person the moment moment the sedan past his truck it turned onto a narrow dead end track. The locals called cemetery road but before it went very far car. The car stopped and started to back up thinking the driver must be lost. Deputy look still wearing. His police. Uniform jumped jumped out of his truck and started walking towards the sedan. Perhaps boop by having a cop coming towards him the car's driver turned back onto the main thoroughfare and sped onto another dirt road one that led to a narrow wooden bridge as look. Watch the car disappear disappear. He got a glimpse of its license plate. He could see that it started and ended with the number seven and had the letter l at the time he didn't think much of the encounter but the next morning as he saw that same sedan turned upside down. In polka pond look had a sickening realization. He had been one of the last people to see Mary. Jo Kopechne. -I alive looks story posed a major problem for Kennedy I. It casts doubt on his claim that he had gotten lost in mistakenly turned onto the bridge road if he really had gotten turned around then who better to give him directions than the police officer who was within ten yards yards of his car second. The timeframe look provided contradicted. Kennedy's he had insisted that he and Kopechne. He left the party around eleven fifteen pm an hour and a half before look ran into them and headed straight for the ferry. There is very little chance. Look I've got the time wrong. He would have been aware what time the yacht club dance ended and he would have seen the time on his car's clock so the obvious question was what were Kennedy and Kopechne he doing. Between the time they left the party and the time of the crash naturally leave. The conclusion people jumped too was that they were looking for an out of the way place to get some alone time. It certainly wouldn't look good. For a cop to catch a senator senator and his dead brother's speech writer in a late night rendezvous. So with the uninformed deputy look closing in on Kennedy's car his is hasty getaway down the bridge road would certainly make sense and with alcohol and Adrenaline coursing through his body. It wouldn't be surprising prizing if he was going to fast over the bridge with questions swirling around what really happened the night of the accident. It seemed seemed like the senator was in for a protracted legal battle. But he was a Kennedy. In America's most famous family still had quite a few friends in Massachusetts namely Edgar Town. Police chief Dominic James Arena the morning of Monday July twenty first arena China announced that Kennedy would be charged with the crime of leaving the scene of an accident without negligence involved. According to the district's special the prosecutor Kennedy had been driving with extreme caution just before the accident. The facts flew in the face of this. The registry the inspectors deduced that the car had flown twenty three feet forward and five feet to the side after it left the bridge. John Farrar the divers who recovered. Mary Jo Kopechne his body remarked. The car must have been going at a pretty good clip to land almost in the middle of the channel. But in this instance instance the facts didn't matter not for a Kennedy and especially not in his home state of Massachusetts despite news outlets calling in for a more thorough investigation the case moved forward with arenas original charges. Although leaving the scene of an accident was still a criminal title charge. It paled in comparison to something more severe lack manslaughter. This was the best he was going to get so on on Friday. July twenty fifth Kennedy pled guilty. The punishment barely amounted to a slap on the wrist. The presiding judge sentenced Kennedy to a two month. Suspended jail sentence which meant he would never see the inside of a cell five days later he was back at work in the United States. Senate making laws for the American people laws. It seemed that did not apply to him but the controversy refused to dissipate no matter how much he wanted it to. Outside of Massachusetts public sentiment was firmly against Kennedy. Luckily someone inside the senators state decided to take action. The day he returned to the Senate Kennedy found out the Massachusetts assists district attorney was opening a formal inquest into the chappaquiddick case. Once again. Kennedy's legal team had their work cut out for them. mm-hmm the inquests results were nothing short of damning. The presiding judge found that Kennedy and Kopechne. He did not intend to return. Turn to Edgar town at that time. That Kennedy did not intend to drive to the ferry slip and his turn onto the bridge road was intentional. There there is probable cause to believe that Edward M Kennedy operated his motor vehicle negligently and that such operation appears to have contributed to the the death of Mary Jo Kopechne he by the letter of the law. The judge's findings were enough for a warrant for Kennedy's arrest. However there was nothing forcing the judge to issue one giving no explanation the judge neglected to pursue the case any further? In fact act. He retired from the bench the day after filing his report. He never spoke publicly about Chappaquiddick. Again if Kennedy's team was involved here. They covered their tracks. Well there's no conclusive proof. They influenced the judge but what the team did once. The inquest was over. gives us a clue as to how eager they were to erase this embarrassing incident. Don't shortly after the inquest. The car from the accident was destroyed in a compact the bloodstained clothing. Mary Jo Kopechne was wearing. That fateful night was burned. Ted Kennedy's escape from punishment was an affront to the phrase. Justice is blind although it may have been difficult to prove that there was a criminal component to Mary. Jo Kopechne is death. There was clearly enough to warrant a more thorough investigation Gatien and yet ted Kennedy emerged from chappaquiddick unscathed. Free to live his life as though nothing had happened. His political ambitions were somewhat damaged knowing that the incident would inevitably be brought up in a presidential contest. He decided to stay out of the nineteen seventy two election although he briefly challenged Democratic incumbent. Jimmy Carter in the nineteen eighty primaries. Ted Kennedy Eddie never rose to the heights that were expected of him however that isn't to say he went quietly into the night. While the national perception of Ted Kennedy had irrevocably plummeted. He remained hugely popular in Massachusetts. In the nineteen seventy senatorial election fifteen months after chappaquiddick. Kennedy one with a whopping sixty two point two percent of the vote his seat in the Senate would never a B seriously challenge. Ted Kennedy remained a US senator until his death on August twenty fifth two thousand nine just over forty years. After the Chappaquiddick incident known as the Liberal Lion of the Senate he left a lasting legacy spearheading bipartisan legislation on education immigration and healthcare reform and while he solemnly claimed that the events Benson July eighteenth nineteen. sixty-nine haunted him every day of his life. One has to wonder was it because he felt guilt. You over Mary Jo. Kopechne is death or because that fateful car accident prevented him from becoming President and thanks for listening to political scandals. We'll be back next week with scandal. Handle number forty eight. Richard Johnson whose eighteen thirty six bid for the American vice presidency was hampered by his common law marriage. It's two one of his father's slaves. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. 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Barrier Beaches adapt to Climate Change at Norton Point Beach, Marthas Vineyard:  Part 3 of a 3-part series with the Trustees of Reservations

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Barrier Beaches adapt to Climate Change at Norton Point Beach, Marthas Vineyard: Part 3 of a 3-part series with the Trustees of Reservations

"Hi everyone this is. America adapts. The climate change podcast. Hey welcome back to the third episode. A three part series on coastal adaptation in conservation in massachusetts. I've been working with the trustees of reservations on the series. The trustees concentration organization based in massachusetts remember in our first episode. We focused on waste. We beach which is on. Martha's vineyard the next episode. Took us back to the mainland where we talked with stakeholders from crane beach just north of boston and outside ipswich my goal was to travel to massachusetts to record these episodes in person but the pandemic had other plants. Fortunately with the help of the trustees we were able to record these conversations remotely with experts and stakeholders from around the crane beach area and we learn about their adaptation efforts underway. This podcast series was funded by the trustees which is doing this. As part of their communication efforts from massachusetts office of coastal zone management grant. They received so thanks to the trustees and thanks to cesium for funding the series as you have followed along with the two previous episodes work going behind the scenes on how they are adapting their properties to climate change. We wanted to take you on the ground and coastal massachusetts and hear how people want their coastal-zone manage and what steps are willing to take to protect and adapt these areas to existing and future impacts of climate change. This was an exciting opportunity to talk with people from coastal massachusetts and how this region is approaching climate change. Yes it would have been great to see martha's vineyard in person for the first time but as you hear the voices and accents of my guests you're going to think you're they're eating clam chowder watching the waves crash and feeling the sand between your toes or at least i encourage you to try to imagine that i consider myself very lucky to get a chance to talk to these folks and share their stories here on the podcast first off. We're gonna hear from tom. O'shea again the director of coastal and natural resources. At the trustees. He's going give us some background on the grant that received in. What's going on at our final destination norton point beach in martha's vineyard then stakeholders from that area will join me to share their own experiences on what's happening to the beach all right. Let's take a journey back to martha's vineyard hit after. I'm here with thomas shea i tom. Welcome back to the podcast for this final installment of our three part series. Hey great to be back. Thanks for having me. So we've been on a big journey here. This is a long journey through coastal massachusetts. And it's been a fun journey for me but again. Let's give some context for new listeners. To this episode can share who. The trustees are short. The trustees of reservations where land trust and. It's the oldest land. Trust in the united states we are based on asa cheetah sits in we own about hundred nineteen properties across the state in. We have thirty. Plus properties on the coast we have emission that is dedicated to preserving in caring for places of exceptional ecological significance cultural significance in scenic significant. So it's really looking at all the different resources that are exceptional than we try to protect and care for those into the future in. So what is your specific role with. Trustees my role. Doug is director of costa natural resources in i oversee our coastal program our coastal team and then helping to lead our coastal strategy which is a new strategy for the trustees. This is the final episode. And i'm going to give a shoutout in another place to. But i've worked very closely with christine. Blatant of the trustees. Could you just give a little. Bit of background christine. She's been incredibly helpful. She showed i mean all. These episodes only happened because of our help. So who who's christine. Yeah we couldn't do it without christine. Christina czar coastal communications manager. Who's been developing in mobilizing our coastal strategy communication plan. And she's been co project lead on this grant with me in super talented really great to have christine our project partner. Yes absolutely instrumental in recruiting is not easy getting all these Remotely so thank you christine. So the trustees coastal vision. Why is it important for land conservation organization. Our vision is really thinking about the future of our coast. We have often thought about when we protect places that once protected we care for them. And we know how to do that. Well but in this case the coast is really looking at accelerating change and that's primarily from sea level rise and storm surge for many many of our properties. Our vision is really about what role can. The trustees play more. Broadly across the massachusetts coast using our properties as examples of how we're responding to coastal change in many ways this cesium grant that supporting our work in this podcast is way to share that model in what we're doing that can be transferable to other coastal land owners communities across the coast. And that's what we see as part of our vision is that we have you know we are making more resiliency across our coast. Were providing better options for the future in for next generation to have a coast that they can enjoy that is protected especially in places that are at risk of flooding and erosion and storm impact. So this is the time. It's a pivotal moment in time. You know we see that in the next thirty years. We can make some changes in respond but after thirty years i mean these changes become much more dramatic so our vision really sees. The time is now to make a difference in our coast so this is the third beach that we're going to be talking about norton point beach but i want to talk about an you've got into that. What is coastal resilience in. I just wonder if you can reflect a little bit. We've visited three different beaches here. A couple of them are very similar but in some ways we heard very different stories on how people look at managing and how they're important and so that what is this notion of coastal resilience for you. It's almost hard to create that kind of consistent thinking on what resilience really is. If you look at these different systems it really is and everybody has a bit of the difference in terms of what they think is resilient and the way. I'm thinking of resilience in this case in for our properties in how we're starting to define ourselves as an organization and talk about it. is that these we do interventions in. We are helping these places. Adapt to these changes. That are happening. Sea level rise in storm surge for instance and by doing that they function and they continue to support the values and recreation habitat and scenic views and public access. That we want and they're not going to go away. However i mean having said all that there's a time perspective to all this that is that you have to think. About how long will they bounce back. How long will these beaches be able to shift. Migrate move around and still be a beach and still provide all these great values in that is limited in some respects by time and they do change and so you know this is kind of a rolling idea of resiliency that for some period of time these places can adapt function and maybe they changed the to the point. Where they're they're different or there or we have to accept loss in some cases so we're also defining resilience not only in the ability of these places to still provide values and function but also under what timeframe and that's something that we're just putting into the conversation now which is to say that you know. We may have to start managing people's expectations for what's possible. How much can these places adopt. How much can we intervene to make a difference. Not really is ultimately what some of the perspectives. I'm sure you're hearing doug from other people and you're getting that sense of what. Those expectations are around resilience. The other aspect of this. And i'll just say is that you know we see that there's a natural flow of things and to some extent you you have to go with a sort of natural system and let it do what it's going to do. So we're not fighting against nature but intervening and working with natural where we can to provide those kinda short term possibilities values and functions for beaches and salt marshes and coastal banks. And that's a long winded description of resiliency. But one that i think is worth kind of talking about all that more because it has a lot of permutations to what that means the different people. So we're having this podcast because you've received a coastal zone management grant. Can you give a little bit of background. And what that's all about. Yeah this is a coastal zone. Management grand theft from cesium coastal zone management provided this coaster resilience grant for the first time to eligible nonprofits to support communications different types of communication approaches about coastal changing climate storm impacts to our coastal areas. We thought it was a great opportunity. For the trustees we have half million people visit our coastal properties each year and we really touch a lot of people whether it's public programming and visitation in our membership. So this is an excellent opportunity for us to use different communication including podcasts. With you doug which i think is a really great way for people to think about and experience and listen to perspectives more deeply in times when they have flexibility in their schedule to listen to a podcast. Be in the car. They can be in a comfortable place in their house or wherever so. We're hoping that this isn't going to be really rich. Experience for people to think about the coast in a different way in a deeper way. So we're talking about point beach. And this is a living laboratory to study the vulnerabilities of barrier beaches into investigate various adaptation methods. And so in. All these episodes this is the third. There's a little bit of a different focus on what you're looking at. So why is this type of shoreline of focus. And what is it face in the coming years. And and i guess we're generally because we're going to hear from people about this but what can be done to protect it sure barrier beaches. I mean there's a reason they call them. Barriers and their long narrow strips of sand that her are essentially beaches that formed geologically often from river and glacial deposits and these barrier beach systems are often a barrier to habitat and homes and residences and other landscapes behind them often. It's bayer assault marsh but also upland and so in this case norton point fits that definition quite well and twenty six miles of beaches across our properties. Many of them are large barrier beach systems and those systems are on the front lines of the high energy impacts from storms and of course sea level rise which is just starting to slowly take away shoreline as it submerges it and then you put the storms on top of that in the wave energy. They start to erode break up the dunes washout the sand and move them landward. So that type of change is now starting to cause a net loss of beaches and beach areas. You know for instance. We look at norton point. I believe that it was something like since the eighteen ninety s. We've lost well. Over one hundred acres of norton point and much of it has moved landward for us now with thousands of people that visit the beach. it's really a critical habitat for endangered shore birds. It's beautiful it's gorgeous. People love it there. It's really on the edge of of the state when you think of it. Just stephen geographically where it is. It's these these places are really gorgeous places. In fact most please people that go to these big beaches. They're probably going to barrier beach and in many cases not always but there on the front line so we need to think about how we intervene now. Some places have intervened in a much more dramatic way where they've rebuilt major dune systems again bringing in material from upland areas off off the beach and really fortifying these large dunes very expensive any of the dune reconstruction beach nourishment. Work have to bring sand in and in some cases it helps to recharge the system with some more sand. If it's been routed away barrier beach systems can naturally shift in migrate. And they do this now truly but we have to start thinking about okay for places like norton point that are seeing some of the highest rates of shoreline law. Awesome the state. What can we do. What should we do to still provide those values. Public access that right now is already come to the forefront where getting access into norton point has become potentially at risk particularly for overseeing vehicles that need a certain amount of ability to access safely and not in the water creating a more disturbance to habitat. And so what we've seen at one point is we've lost some of the primary dune areas from over wash it storm impacts. Were trying to think about all right. What are some different types of interventions and trials. We can do that with different designs and different treatments. That will help us learn what works. What doesn't work. How do people react to this. How does the habitat respond How's it helping public access. Is the beach more. Resilient shall we say enable to have some buffering to storms in still provide some above sea level just creeping up on these beaches. Doug there's there's a lot of questions right now and this. Is you know this podcast in this. Whole grant and videos and workshops. We've done have really focused on this question. And what we learned from this perspective today in our sort of starting our chartering. Our course for norton point beach now. This is going to be a story. That's gonna repeat itself across the east coast in barrier beach areas so we hope that we will provide some perspective learnings and help us think about the future and how we're gonna create more resilient barrier beach systems that provide enough opportunities for us today but in the for the next generation. And that's kind of how i see is that in many ways we're doing interventions now to provide options for the next generation and give them a chance to experience some of the values we've enjoyed and hopefully at that point when they're ready to pick up the challenge you know they have. They have something to work with. So the trustees organized a workshop or a brown norton point beach and you did this for the other beaches that we've talked about in these previous episodes in so could you just again mentioned just briefly. What with the purpose of the workshop was who was invited. Who did you recruit to come to it. Yeah good question. The purpose of the workshops the state we call them. Stakeholder workshops was to really get a diverse group of stakeholders that were primarily from the local area that had a real attachment and experience with the beach and get their perspective on first of all. Are they aware that there are climate impacts and there are going to be long term changes to the beach. Do they have a feeling as if whether we should respond. And how should we respond and we were able to get some new perspectives on that and start to understand what the public's appetite is and what our publics and our stakeholders visitors community residents i think in some cases we had people that were you know. fishing some were youth in we had a range of different stakeholders some scientists and historians. Some are experts in this field in fact somewhere residents in lived behind the barrier beach. And we're concerned about losing the barich restoring protection so everybody's got kind of a different set of values and perspectives and we did hear as a result a range of responses on how much we should intervene so this is giving us some really interesting perspective in terms of okay. Well how much should we invest in. What is the appetite for that. And how does that fit with our mission. And how can we still provide the things that people want with this risk of losing our beach. So i think for us. It's a helpful experience. And i think now people are more engaged in terms of this issue in our work in this area and now they start to see kind of looking under the hood saying okay. This is what's really involved okay. And so we hope that that will build more support for whatever we did people feel like. They're coming along with us on the journey. Nice segues at my listeners. Now get to hear from those people who participated in the workshop in who used as norton point beach in so tom i'm gonna have you come back again at the end of the episode and we're going to talk about what's what the next steps are but i'll i'll see you on the other side. Tom great looking forward to it. Thanks so much hate actors. I'm here with dr rick. Murray high brick welcome to the podcast. Hello doug thank you for having me just first off. Could you just tell me where you're at and what you do. Sure i have the privilege in the pleasure of working at the woods hole. Oceanographic institution located on cape cod in investigates and there. I'm the deputy director and the vice president for research to internationally renowned research center there and shirts probably fund to be working there. Yeah it's a really great place. I started here Just within the past year. Before that i was at boston university for nearly thirty years as a professor so it's a nice evolution in my career but also you know at a place like woodhall able to work on a lot of interesting problems with a lot of fascinating people. You are a landowner on martha's vineyard but you actually live there and ferry over to its toll. I part yes. My family has been going to martha's vineyard in in particular chappaquiddick island from about fifteen years. From before i was born and all the way up to the present where my family. We still owned property on chappaquiddick but year round. My real home is up in scituate massachusetts and other coastal community. You are able to participate in that trustees workshop. What did you think what did you think that they were trying to accomplish. And then some of the recommendations that came from adaptation that they're proposing. What were your thoughts. I thought the trustees number one. We're doing a great thing by seeking comment from interested stakeholders and i thought that the way they frame the conversation was was a very good and supportive of the fact that you know. They presented a variety of options that we all face no regardless of where we live. Which is we can do nothing about climate change and let it happen or weekend. Try to mitigate some of the impacts or in some of those mitigation steps would be so. I thought it was a very productive conversation and i really liked that. They had a number of different people from different backgrounds and professions yet. Everybody of course passionate and devoted to the matter many of the recommendations potentially could be very costly. And one of the things that you brought up was talking about lower level managed retreat when you're thinking about paths and trails. Could you elaborate on what you meant by that. Sure sea level rise is going to happen. There's nothing that we can do to stop at this point. Even if we start decreasing global warming over time and so on and so forth sea level is going to be rising so to a certain extent we need to adapt to that and i have both scientifically as well as personally shied away from hard engineering solutions building. Big walls building big gates or trying to have man triumph over nature as it were. And i'm far more supportive because i think it's been shown to be more realistic and more successful of as you said managed retreat which is over time. People recognize that sea level is rising at coastal erosion will be occurring and so let's instead of building a seawall to preserve that path. Let's move the path back one hundred. Let's instead of trying to build a big concrete wall around a lighthouse which is another common impact. Let's pick a lighthouse up in moving back by several hundred feet. They've done that ahead. They've done that up at cape pogue. Different parts of martha's vineyard. So i think the realistic approach is to undergo managed retreat over a medium long period of time. So it's not like next thursday everybody's going to pack up their bags and run away. But it does mean that we need to acknowledge the reality and moved backwards and move upwards. That is a great point. And i think a lot of coastal communities all over the country are having to think about this. That like you said just next week. You're not gonna have to pack up your bags but maybe we do. Some low cost adaptation actions but in the big pictures sea level rise is happening. And you have to look at twenty twenty seventy and it's just natural for us to kind of plan out two to five years but at some point you sort of need to plan for that long term even with your background. I'm sure you can appreciate that. When did this tough decisions need to be made. It's an interesting question. Because sometimes these properties which had been inherited for over generations is often. Somebody's you know largest most valuable item. And so you know you can't force people to leave can't force people to lose the equity that they have in there but you know is the state government local government federal government had advantageous programs so instead of continually rebuilding homes on the federal dime for fema flood insurance type things. What if the federal government were instead able to help financially incentivize people in communities to move homes or to otherwise adapt so it's a complicated. Social economic. Cultural problem need to change inheritance laws. We need to change zoning laws we need to look you know financial incentives as i just said to help people realize this is in their best interest and also what's best for the land in fact again if we don't do this sea level is still going to rise so it's really truly in in everybody's interest to manage to cope and adapt to the eventualities. I think when the quotes from you at the workshop was throwing good money after good money at this problem and at some point you have to decide. You're not going to do that but as we were discussing. It's perfectly rational for community to plan out to five ten years and in some ways. You're just throwing that money because you're not planning out fifty years that's exactly right and i live here in scituate as i said i was selected in here for eight years and as a selective and you get involved in a lot of conversations about infrastructure and for example our water treatment plant like many others in coastal communities is at a very low elevation in water treatment plants have lifespans of forty or fifty years as they get continually updated and their unusually. They don't usually they don't move anywhere but you have to consider some of these low lying communities like ours with our water treatment plants that we're building for fifty years. Well if you look at. The scientific predictions for sea level rise fifty years from now is pretty different ballgame. So we're used to planning in some ways for fifth year lifespans but not another so we need to add to our our men or our list of things to add to the fifty year time scale is the location of parking lot near the beach. Or what are we going to do with these trails. Or are we going to allowed rebuilding of these homes. That have just gotten plastered in the latest northeaster. Or we're going to have them rebuild so they can get plastered in the next northeaster or one ten years from now is a resident of martha's vineyard. You spend a lot of mean you been a lot of time there. Did you have conversations with people that live there and does the issue of sea level rise in sort of long-term planning come up frequently. Are they talking about climate change and sea level rise. Yes and i noticed a marked change in the conversation over the past five years because people absolutely see with their own eyes and they see the effects of climate change in a number of different ways as an avid hockey player. Myself and i was born in nineteen sixty. Three tsai fifty six. I remember skating on ponds starting in november on and skating on ponds on thanksgiving in my kids not so much they escape maybe once or twice a year if that that's in my own life span i've seen that we've seen the effect of sea level rise on many of the roads that the trustees maintains on east speech certainly down at norton point no erosion going on and we've been around long enough in the changes are getting dramatic enough that we can see it with our own eyes. People aren't reading it and scientific papers. They're not just watching it on. Tv happening elsewhere. It is exactly where they live where they work is where they play and they see it in his undeniable so the conversations have become much more real than much more accommodating and collaborative as opposed to a bimodal is happening. Yes or no. Do you have a favorite spot on the beach. Oh down there. I just love being up on those bluffs overlooking the norton beach with the breakthrough occurs at on occasion. It's just one of the prettiest places on my family. We live up on cape po- very north end northeast corner chappaquiddick. So e speech which connects basically norton point all the way up to the northeast corner. I think that's one of the prettiest places on this whole plan. And i'm biased. But i've been all over the world on ships and on beaches of incredible remoteness. I always keep thinking of his speech on chappaquiddick. Great well thanks for your time. Absolutely that'd be great and by the way. Thank you for all you're doing. It's really important that we have media involvement and having professional media like yourself is really really essential all right. Well thank you very much. Take care eight actors. I'm here with elizabeth durkee highs. Welcome to the podcast. How are you okay. Liz i'm excited to have you on but first off. Let's give it a little bit of background. What's your relationship to this area north point and you work in the area right. I work for the town of oak. Bluffs which is one of the six towns on martha's vineyard. It's not the town. Point is but it's not a big island. Would you do with the city there on the conservation agent for the town of bluffs. And how long have you lived in worked in the region. Oh boy. I came here as a child for summer vacations and i've lived here for most of my adult life and i've worked for the town for twenty six years okay. So you've seen any of the changes that have occurred that we've been talking about. You've been there for a while. So how does the organization you work for address. Climate change you know small towns. Don't really have we don't have climate. Change departments are staff really. There's really no one in particular who handles these issues as the conservation agent. I just sort of became intrigued. Living on an island with the issue of sea level rise in that. Got me interested in doing my own research on climate change in general. How would it affect the island. And so i just try to learn as much as i could and try to do some planning for the town so i did a little research on some of the work that you've done there and you actually wrote a piece. I'm not sure if it was the local newspaper something but it was climate change. Fifty ways were taking action. Now do you remember that piece. Yes all right. Well i mean we can't go through all fifty here but what were you trying to say in that. I was asked by the newspaper to do that. It suddenly in two thousand nineteen. There seemed to be a burst of activity around the climate change issue on the island. A lot of organizations were starting to get involved and so it just seemed like things. Were getting busy here in terms of climate action. So that's how that piece came about. Just because you know there seems like there needed to be a place to sort of let people know what's going on will. It was a really comprehensive peace. I mean you touch on issues related to adaptation. But i think it was clean energy but i think there's other even longstanding environmental issues right you kind of covered it all. I've been working on climate change for a long time. And i've given talk about it so unkind of tuned into everything that's going on. In fact i just got hired to be the more senior commissions. Climate change planner which will start doing next month. Well congratulations that's great that they'd prioritize that position so that must be an exciting development for you since you've been doing it for a while yes yes. I'm really really glad that someone's finally going to have a job like that on the island where one person can really focus on it for forty hours a week or probably more when the piece went out there and i doing a lot of other things. But did you get any feedback. How did the public interpreted. Did they have questions or there any recommendations from other people say. Hey you should add this to the list. How how is the piece received. I think you know there's more than than just those things going on in there are other people who are involved. You know less directly in climate change issues as well you know. I think it was received in a positive light. Because i don't think a lot of people really even realized that all those things were going on you participated in the trustees of reservations adaptation workshop. What did you think of the workshop itself. I thought it was very well done. I think that they looked at a lot of very important options alternatives to what they can do in terms of adaptation outweigh screen norton. Point one of my initial reaction was boy. They're lucky that they're not in oak bluffs because a lot of our coast is armored in our downtown area and that just brings out a lot more problems when it comes to climate adaptation but when you have a natural system you know there's pretty clear cut alternatives for what you can do and you know they're all good natural options. You made a point during the workshop that there are these short term solutions and in this case it would be arm ring or see walls but you also have to factor in long term solutions to the ecological functions. That are going along on the island. Right i don't think has ever a good answer for for any kind of climate adaptation Unless you already have an armored shore and then you know it may well be better to reinforce the and you have to tend to just let it go but but out at norton point waste we. They've just got a natural environment and so they've got options. That are more natural that they can use instead of cards structures out there which. I don't think anyone wants anywhere on the island. Were your experience. What you were talking about too is probably hopefully useful information to them saying. Listen you've have some options. You have time at this. The short-term armory as an example is not the way to go. I mean you know they need to hear that yeah. I think that was one of the alternatives. That was mentioned. I don't think anyone took it too seriously. But in your position and you think about How are you guys talking about sea level rise. It's obviously this sort of long term impact extreme storm events or something that people have to deal with more in the short term. But what are you thinking of when it sea level rise comes up. Well the first thing i think is that most people tend to not do long term. Planning most people are thinking more about the immediate future and i'm including towns governments and possibly even conservation agents in that respect. It's hard to plan long-term but this is climate. Change is an issue where we have to plan long term you know the sea level rise estimates. They keep changing they change. You know all the time and so we don't really know exactly what we're looking at in the future exactly what to aim for but we have to just sort of pick a number based on the data and plan for a particular number or else you'll just drive yourself crazy or just you know not plan at all because it's too confusing will ensure this new position on the commission. You're going to obviously bring up some of these impacts in talking about the different adaptation options. What are the biggest impacts that concern you in regards to your area and in the island itself well. The vineyard is a summer resort island so the biggest issue at least in terms of the public is our beaches is preserving our beaches and beaches. That are in front of armored structures. A road much more quickly than natural beaches. So that's an issue in the town. That i live in that. We have to recharge our beaches to keep them available for recreation and for the economic values they bring it to the town at waste we at norton point. They don't have that problem but with sea level rise in and more frequent and potentially stronger. Storms there's going to be more erosion and and that's what they're looking at in terms of planning for the future norton point you know it's it's recreation is so important to this island and when you're looking at natural conditions in the natural environment you have to weigh it against the recreational values that they provide to the community and that also includes the economic values. It brings to the island. You know my job is conservation. Agent is to protect the natural resources. But even still it's a balance. It's a balancing act because you know our shoreline is our recreational centerpiece and the base of our economy. So you really can't look at it completely in one from one position or another so you recently got coastal zone management grant. That's going to help with some mapping. Can you elaborate on that well. The martha's vineyard commission our regional planning agency. And the town of oak bluffs jointly filed for a caesium resiliency grant to do what's called a storm tide pathways project which is mapping the specific areas. Where the flood water is actually going to go as the sea rise is as opposed to say that fema flood maps which are much more vague. So we're going to know specifically where the floodwaters gonna go as the water rises and there's also going to be a wink to the national weather service a real time link so that emergency managers police. Emt's firemen can look at the national weather service map and see where the flooding is so they can figure out how to get to places they need to go on an emergency so it's really exciting. It's like state of the art climate. Planning as far as i can see so. That's really on the ground local. I guess adaptation planning. You know it's really useful. A lot of communities would benefit from that right. It's for the whole island to and the center for coastal studies in province. Town massachusetts are the ones who have been doing this so they've got experienced. Were very happy to have that. You mentioned a little bit of this but you've lived on the island a long time. Do you just talk about climate change much with neighbors or when you're on the job in such a and you'd mentioned in two thousand nineteen it's become even a bigger issue but what your sense of the people on the island and are they pretty supportive of taking action. Sometimes i think yes and sometimes i think no. We did an adaptation plan for our town and something like forty people showed up which is a lot of people showed up for public presentation of that on the other hand. I sometimes find that. The public is not as educated on the climate issues. As well as i would hope they would be but you know but i understand because people have things that they do in their everyday lives and they don't think about it every day like some of us do so. I think there needs to be some public education about climate issues here on the island. I however talk about it all the time i said to my husband wants name any topic at all related to climate change and you just rolled his eyes perfect. We need a lot more of you out there in these small communities. It's great. this is the question. I'm asking everyone so i'll be curious how you're gonna answer it but do you have a favorite spot at norway. Well when i was kids we used to go out there at night and set bonfires and enjoy the beach that way. But i don't think that's allowed anymore so i wouldn't encourage anyone to do that today but i have fun. Memories of going out there with friends as a kid and enjoying the beach transit had trucks and we could all jump in the back and go out there and spend an afternoon at the beach. It's a beautiful beach. And it's you know. It seems wilder than the bluffs beaches because on the south shore and its ocean facing. And it's it's just an exquisite place to be okay liz. I'm very encouraged. That someone like you is working on this issue. You've gotten very passionate around climate change. And i think martha's vineyard in the area that you work in is in good hands. Thanks for coming on and sharing your story. Thank you thanks for all you do too. I think he's podcasts. Are great and and it's really important to get the public involved an educated. Hey actors. I'm here with bob mason. High bob welcome to the podcast. It's great to be here. Thanks for including me bob. So what's your relationship with the trustees. I'm part of the board of directors. And i volunteer through a great number of their different committee. Committees including stewardship marketing are tech task force and very involved with coastal issues Through martha's vineyard you live in boston. You actually live on. Martha's vineyard no. I live just outside of boston in the suburbs. Okay so how often do you get to go out to the island. We have a house down there so during the summer quite often but we actually enjoy being down on the island all year round. It's a beautiful place in. did you grow up there. Have you been in the area at your entire life. I did grow up in the massachusetts area. Technically i was born in los angeles but We like to not speak of that too much. As a young boy we moved here to massachusetts at grew up here went to college at wooster polytech. My entire professional career has been in the boston cambridge area casey. Let's talk about norton point beach. And what is your interest. There is that near where your properties at you. Spend a lot of time there. So norton point is a beautiful Part of the southern coast of martha's vineyard. It actually connects through a barrier beach system to the Island of chappaquiddick. Chappaquiddick is just off the coast of town in the sort of the main part of martha's vineyard and occasionally through history. A big storm were kind of punch a hole through the barrier beach that connects norton point to what's called waste click on chappaquiddick and chappaquiddick becomes an island and then over time the sands fill back in the barrier beach reforms and gets connected to norton point again so norton point is a beautiful place to walk. A lot of people like the rollers the waves in the summer and it also hosts a very broad set of bird which are always kinda fun and interesting. This time of year is their nesting converging on the island during summer times so the current state of the beach no it sealed at the moment though right that is correct. Yeah yeah yeah. There was a there was a moment. I forget probably six or seven years ago. Now i forget the exact date where it had opened up through a storm was open for a number of years and and that really changes the currents and the shape of kyle tides are done and both at norton point and the way squeak beach which is on the other end of the barrier beach Had tremendous amount of erosion. So the martha's vineyard as a landscape is very dynamic and you just really have to be cognizant of that and i think sometimes people are complacent in think the earth just sort of is an ad. Infinitum is as as it always was but in fact it changes all the time. Do you have a preference in this parking aside. The ecological considerations you have a preference when the beach is breached field. I think it's easier when it hold. The current said the the flow of water is a lot more manageable to my understanding though. I'm not an expert this place that it's actually beneficial to have a a a break every so often because it kind of cleans out the bay for those not familiar with martha's vineyard. There's a very large day that goes kinda is north of norton point As a barrier beach on the south side is the open atlantic ocean on the north side of norton. Point is what's called Abay and so occasionally when it does get breached stays open for a few years you know the tides and the currents can really clean out the bay and i think i believe that's really healthy for the ecosystem overall. I'm just curious. The local residents of the island is consensus. Feeling like well. It's it's a good thing that it breached for the time being are generally just better for tourism and everything that when when it sealed to sort of like overall with the island's perspective. They must know these things must be. Just get around. Well i mean so. The interesting thing is until recently like i said last decade or so When we had this most recent breach. I don't believe they had had a breach for fifty years or something like that. So i think actually people were surprised. Shot that something so dramatic could happen but if he actually go through the historical records it is this phenomenon that does occur and another fellow trustees board member david foster wrote a book about kind of the ecology and landscape in geological history of martha's vineyard and he found evidence that in fact for long stretches of time the two lands were not connected and so that used to be the nor It's only in recent memory that people sort of forgot that these breaches to occur. And i think overall people felt that to be a little bit of annoying across the barrier beach. There is the opportunity to try to drive your vehicle With over san permit and for some people that's the only way to get on and off the island for a little bit logistically challenging if you're a fisherman or an outdoorsman and you're trying to get this place since the two lands are not connected. The trustees recently hosted a workshop focusing on climate change on adaptation. You were able to participate in that. What did you think of what they were talking about. Adaptation actions that were discussed there. What what was your thoughts about the workshop. What was really informative for me in particular kind of very visual learner and so you can kind of read and process Like around different adaptation techniques but the trustees that a really good job insta presenting sort of visual representations of different types of techniques may be employed at different locations or kind of mockups of these different strategies of planting more dune grasses or allowing a russian do occur or retreating back and figuring out where new parking lots would go. So the concreteness of these different plans. was really eye-opening and i think helped spark a lot of useful conversations amongst us. Who were able to attend. What were your major concerns as you watched these presentations regarding some. Maybe the future actions. What concerns you about. Maybe these aren't the right actions or they're not doing enough. Well i think the once get the Particular challenge of martha's vineyard is the landscape is so dynamic and the rate of erosion is so high that might might broad concerned as that trying to be aggressive in feeling like you can dominate the landscape by actually changing it in a material way isn't really gonna last and mother nature's kind of kinda rule at the end and so i think there's you know there's a functional return on investment question of like okay. You could put a lot of time and energy and doing something but the next door comes around it. All gets wiped out wasn't even worth the while. I also think the particular in the vineyard how the landscape changes is very different at at various points along the island. So i mentioned this. This way. Squeeze out on chappaquiddick. I believe it's like one of the most dynamic beach and cliff places across the entire eastern seaboard like it can literally change day by day store by storm but further down the beach. You know things are much more stable at norton point tour long point or a number of other trustees properties and so. I think you can't be really uniform in a prescription and in some places. There's not much you can do. And maybe in other areas know really investing in restoration ecological ways to adapt Will be really affected. Is there a sense among the residents of the island about the cost associated with this. That if you're you know you're really planning for big storm. Events is different opinions on that. I'm definitely not in a position to speak for the whole island. You know and i think this conversation around cost and climate adaptation is starting certainly. It's impactful on a number of beach property season and how that affects you know sort of recreation and the sort of the related in a socio economic challenges being a summer community and and some are residents in vacationers coming on the island but they're also more profound questions around basic infrastructure and martha's vineyard as an island over all trying to deal with climate change in sea level rise. Not only these like beautiful natural spots but also like in the actual towns. You know if a big storm comes. Oftentimes parts of town will get flooded. There was one study that i that i saw. That showed that the hospital could literally become an island and so. How do you adapt to that. Do need to think about raising land for roads build new bridges. So there's a whole host of issues at the island has to deal with overall in those conversations are just getting started right now and. I don't think anyone really understands the full impact or cost. That will becoming down the line following up on that. You have people that are trying to respond to. Let's say in extreme storm event that breaches the beach but then longer term two three five feet of sea level rise scissored sometimes too while they are two very different conversations and it sounds like people are starting to have those even though the the sea level rise. One must be harder to get your head around. Yes well i think. Martha's vineyard has been very progressive in trying to understand the impact because being an island sea level rise in climate change does have a real material impact in people's lives now and so there has been a lot of collaboration with both scientific and conservation groups including the trustees to really kind of do scientific around impacts on different locations around the island and and that is spurring conversations around. You know what the islanders might need to do to make sure that it still remains a really viable community. An how do you see yourself staying involved with. The trustees are doing while. I'm definitely a big supporter. I'm a bit of a science geek nerds. i like the kind of science part of Of understanding climate change in sea level rise and trying to use fax and predictive models to help inform policy decisions. And hopefully i can play a role in translating in educating that amongst my own friends and community in people that i know you have a favorite spot at nor beach club. My favorite spot is actually on waste glee as i mentioned so you way squeeze is classes. Wild windswept swept very dynamic allocation. There's a cliff edge and big open tracts of land in wind twisted pine trees and the surf that kind of comes on and just being out. There you're kind of reminded of both kind of the beauty and the power of nature. Okay bob this has been great. Thank you so much. For coming on the podcast. Thank you very much. It was a fun conversation and look forward to hearing. more perspectives. Hate after. I'm here with dr david foster. Hi david welcome to the podcast with you. I we're going to be talking about martha's vineyard here but first off. Just how long have you been in the area. What what your background for. The space grew up in new england and been in massachusetts for forty years. Been working on. Martha's vineyard for twenty five thirty years and i'm sitting martha's vineyard right now. Okay you're actually on the island. alright. I am what your role with. The trustees i long relationship with the trustees initially by doing collaborative research with a group of scientists on staff then becoming a board member and finishing that up and i continue to work on a number of their committees. Both here on. Martha's vineyard more broadly across massachusetts dealing with agriculture. And other issues. So you've actually written a book about martha's vineyard in a lot of these issues that we're talking about it this workshop but could you give it a little bit more background on the book you wrote in college and the approach tonight take to understanding nature is to investigate its history which always involves investigating the history of human activity and so the volume that i wrote about the vineyard does exactly that it tries to understand the ecological characteristics of the island by exploring the island's history natural history in human history and that applying that to thinking about conservation policy and conservation stewardship. So we think about the environmental movement actually not being that old going back to the sixties and seventies but in your research. I guess in your book to was there a time. When the people of martha's vineyard were really thinking about land-management in similar ways what we're doing now. The people who've been on the vineyard have always thought about land management and that goes back thousands of years the limited space on the vineyard the tremendous pressure to produce local resources in supplement that with resources from all filing has always made a managing the land. And martha's vineyard a critical issue. What is the response into your book. Some locals must've read. Have they given you some feedback. The response to the book has been extremely positive. Part of that is just. Because i'm passionate about the vineyard love to explore its history and understand its qualities and largely the because the book is really guided by the question of. What don't we know. What do we need to know. Here's as much as i can explain on any of those years now. I wasn't actually able to read the book itself but dug into some of the topics that you cover. But did you actually talk about. Climate change in the book are climate. Change figures strongly both from a historical perspective and from the present emergencies. Interfacing all right. And i think in the book you you're actually making some. I guess future not necessarily predictions. But i guess implications wet climate change might mean for. Martha's vineyard could you share some of those thanks well. Climate change is driven all of a long-term changes on the island either directly or indirectly and so looking forward that will certainly continue. climate change. Tobago is very strongly competed with by human activity. direct human activity and on the vineyard. It's actually the combination of intense human destruction of the environment along with a less perceptible but equally important changes that are coming through to climate change and associated sea level rise. You are able to participate in the workshop. That the trustees put on and it focused on what's going to happen. I guess with modeling. What's gonna happen to the island but then made some very specific adaptation recommendations. But they were trying to get feedback from the people participating the workshop first off. What did you think of the workshop. And then some the adaptation actions that were being discussed. I think the workshop for all was quite interesting. The group that has been providing most of the framework for that most of the science that is extremely knowledgeable. The people on the on the call and involved in the discussions come from a wide variety of a very knowledgeable positions. The proposal looking at the island. Going forward arbit- mic in part because the information that there is guiding them is not informed adequately by this historical perspective and so that can be included more in guiding decisions today and anticipate in the future. It will improve the quality of our of our expectations in the quality of our management. Now i you must be in an interesting position being able to look historically what's happened to the island and then as with this workshop really trying to think about what's happening out and going forward in the future i've been talking to people focusing on northern point and then sway squeaky beach and then the history of this area being breached in the ability to drive on portions of the beach and i'm sure the citizens have all different opinions on that. What's your sense of what's happening there with. I guess access to that barrier beach so mistakes have been made through time at northern point about norton power in about ways way they go back well more than one hundred years because of an inadequate understanding of that system and in it inadequate attention to the history of the changes. The dynamics of that system. And i can elaborate please do. Yeah so that particular. Part of the coast is one of the absolute most dynamic coastal environments on an island which is eroding at one of the fastest. Hase's along the eastern seaboard. So you're dealing with an extraordinarily tumultuous landscape which over time has gone through a whole series of transformations that involve essentially the breaking that barrier beach. And then the reforming of it over time and the mistakes have been made. It is not paying attention to the range of dynamics the inability of humans to anticipate and predict those dynamics and then the lack of awareness of those in planning and making decisions and so it has it has tempted people to try to enhance erosion hits tempted people who try to prevent erosion. It's tempted people to try to build too close to the shoreline and it has surprised. Almost everyone over japan. Do you have a sense. The people of martha's vineyard understand what's happening. What's going to happen with some of the projected impacts of climate change is. It's something that's talked about frequently when you're walking around the island it's spoken about in a very general way. I don't believe it's ever truly real to most of the people. The only thing that makes it real is one of those big catastrophes happen and we haven't seen many of those for a while and it's general in people's mind it's nothing that people focused on very specifically and there's very little understanding of how great the changes will be and how much it will influence people's lives so think about the issue of driving on the beach. The issue driving on the beach is the elephant in the room. Hits the last topic that anyone wants to discuss because it is so controversial it is so embedded in the culture of the island for some people. It is such a tremendous financial opportunity for the trustees and perhaps other organizations and yet it is unquestionably highly detrimental to the environment. Do you have a favorite spot on the beach. My favorite spot along that entire beach is right beneath the cliffs which can erode at a phenomenal rate and so city beneath them and understanding. those dynamics. Just give me a real appreciation for the power of nature all right perfect. Well thank you so much for coming on. Made you okay. We are back. And i'm back with tom. O'shea we just heard from a lot of the stakeholders from the area talking about nine point beach and i want to check back in with tom and get his thoughts. And we're going to wrap up here. So tom welcome back. Thanks so much. Doug glad to be back all right so we heard from some of these stakeholders really some interesting things that they're saying in a very passionate about the resource here. What's gonna happen to it. I guess asking you. What's next for the trustees regarding norton point beach great question from what i've heard in terms of people's perspectives. In really interesting ones. As you said doug is that it seems that somewhere in the middle is where we need to be in terms of intervention with is to say that let's trial in some key areas. So for instance were. There's access to the norton point beach for over san vehicles. Let's try dune reconstruction. Maybe try few beach. Resiliency interventions like beach nourishment dune reconstruction for planting Beach grass sand fencing. Try these in different configurations and scales in different places where there's been chronic erosion. Hot spots are after major storm events. I think there's an interest there to try things out and seeing how they work and i think even more so share those learnings with others and even the people who visit the site in the community involved. Volunteers that's kind of where i'm seeing where we go after this and what that is essentially a bit of a balance where. We're not saying that. We're going to rebuild and fortify. The entire norton point beach for the next fifty years. Weren't we're not saying that. That's like an extreme sort of approach that we're going to resist and fight this process but we're also not saying look we're gonna let it just go. We're gonna accept loss. Move on think right now. People are interested in seeing some intervention. We wanna learn from a to. And i think it's gonna provide a model for others so that would be where. Ics going at this point. I think they're going to be places where we won't act so say down. Further on eastern end of norton point beach were has historically breached for for decades off and on every fifteen or thirty years. Those areas were likely breach again. And we're not looking to stop the breaches but the areas to the west where it has remained more stable. Those could be good places to intervene and continue to support each resiliency. So i guess. That's where i see it going out so here. We are at the end of the series. We've created these three podcast. It's been a wonderful journey for me and the these are out there now. They're they're part of the permanent record and hopefully a lot of people are going to learn from it. I think that was your intention. Wh- any words of advice for listeners. Out there even people outside of your region but if they want to reach out learn more about what you're doing. He said final thoughts in that respect. Sure happy to engage really anyone who's facing similar challenges or has questions i are coastal team would be glad to talk to people that have questions so we really see this as we can't do it alone doug none of us can and responding to coastal change. Climate change is something where we all have to be learning together supporting each other with partnerships and also just thinking about continuing the conversation. And that's what's great about your podcast. A in general is that you're essentially giving everybody in opening an entree into the conversation which is fantastic will thank you and of course. We can't finish this without you. Telling me your favorite spot on norton. Point beach yeah. It's easily the first part when you come in and then you just look out and you're just like this is just gorgeous the son is spacing you bitches in massachusetts typically up many of them are east facing right but this is a south facing beach so that that you've just got the warmth glow in reflection off the water is you're sitting on the speech and then here's the other cool part. Is that just behind. You is the gorgeous catena bay and you have like these shore birds. You have some turns probably nesting behind you. And then you've got this just gorgeous reflection of son off the water to really not like anything else that i have seen generally long our coastline of massachusetts. So this is a is a real winner. It's lovely right nice final message. Okay tom it has been a real pleasure working with you. The trustees on this. I learned so much and again. Thanks for coming on. Thank you and likewise really been a pleasure working with you too okay. It after that is wrap what an awesome experience for me to talk with those takeovers around norton point beach and the trustees into learn what they're doing with coastal adaptation every communities likely going to have their own unique adaptations story as tom said at the trustees. They don't have all the answers but they want to work with their local community members on doing. What's right for them. All the while recognizing the realities of climate change and what that means for coastal systems had a tation is sausage making and you got to hear firsthand how these communities in massachusetts are approaching climate adaptation. Thanks again to all those who participated in this episode and in this series and thanks to the trustees and the massachusetts office of coastal zone management for funding. This entire podcast series. Special thing goes to christine boynton at the trustees for being my partner in crime setting up all these amazing interviews thanks christine. I'm still planning to visit someday. And get that lobster roll and eating on the beach. Okay adapters keep up the great work. I'll see you next time.

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JFK JR.: THE KENNEDY CURSE - EP2

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JFK JR.: THE KENNEDY CURSE - EP2

"Of the many images from the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps none touched the hearts of a grieving nation. More than that photograph autograph. You know the one. I'm referring to the little boy saluting. The flag draped coffin of his dad. Dan Farrell the man who took that iconic connick photograph says it was quote the saddest thing I've ever seen in my whole life. Welcome to episode two of fatal Voyage John F. Kennedy Junior case solved. I'm your host Thomas Detective Column McLaren. Last time we heard L. J. F. K.. Junior had been born into a dynasty. That would become known as camelot in this episode. We're going to examine the dockside of that legacy you see. And what has become known as the Kennedy coups so I was having interested in Kennedy family and the tragedies that have been it seems like one thing I gotta get infected with generation after generation. So you could call it Kennedy curse if also call it the curse of power that got sometimes people who power these sort of things happen. I think there's something psychological about it. It's almost like scales scales have to be balanced life as you to less if a too much now we're going to take some away from you and had a curse once it's again exact. A terrible tall on the man who as a little blonde haired boy was required to salute the passing coffin of his dead father. As the entire hi world which Don I think there's a parallel or a similarity between the death of the father and the death of the son in that in both cases since there was great unfulfilled potential. We have no idea of what could have happened so his his presidency had great potential in fact the potential is so great that most academics rank him as a great president even without having accomplish these things and the same kind of hovers over the life of John F. Kennedy junior the fact that he it could have done great things could have been a president could have been a governor. Senator could have been a great public figure the rest of his life and impacted the world for good so in both cases there cut down in cut short of what most people believe believe would be a great life and a great contribution to humanity following the assassination of President Kennedy the conspiracy ever see theories began almost immediately. Did Lee Harvey Oswald Line. was there a second shooter at the scene who was pulling the moving strings behind the scenes and how deep derived hall go his JFK historian. John Hanky there are Tan. Dan Affidavits in the Warren Commission documents from witnesses in Dealey Plaza. Who All said that? The limousine stopped in front of the Grassy Knoll. They don't say waiting for the kill shot. But you can put those elements together to see that. The Secret Service stopped the limousine in front of the Grassy knoll waiting for the kill shot in nineteen sixty four. The Warren Commission set up by President Lyndon Johnson to who investigate the killing concluded that Oswald was the lone assessing. It was to be another eleven years before another committee ruled at the Warren Commission was fundamentally the Middle East flawed and not until nineteen seventy nine before the house. Select Committee concluded that the murder was most likely. The result of a bigger far-reaching conspiracy. I see however that did not say who was behind that conspiracy like me. Jive Cagey suspected a cover up author. Doug Wade has written over thirty books and interviewed no fewer than six presidents and has unrivalled insight into the nations of the White House. I received a call from a lady whose father had worked for Frank. Church had been his closest aide and she told me neither story is that when it was all over her father had good worked. So hard for the senator in these hearings had said why is senator. Didn't as you go ahead and publish your findings. Why did you back down after all that you've gone through? And she said that Senator Church said I said to her father. The country could not have survived if they had known the truth of our investigation into the CIA see I it was a lengthy investigation. They interrogated many CIA agents and at the conclusion of it. It was like He pulled oldest punches. It was a whimper John. Junior was to lie to begin his own investigation. Father's death felt that it it was just something he had to live with that he was John Kennedy but he was very proud of it in the sense that he named his put the number of the PT One nine nine there was his father's World War Two pt boat. He put that on an playing he thought about his father constantly but tragically the assassination of JFK. Senior was only the beginning shortly after midnight. On June the fifth nineteen sixty excite. Kennedy's beloved uncle. Bobby Kennedy was also executed. He was killed at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles just hours after winning the California presidential. It's an inch primary his report Leon Wagner who was being close to the Kennedys since the nineteen seventy s after JFK was assassinated this native. Jackie really leaned heavily on bobby and he spent a tremendous amount of time with her. They spent so much time together and that there were rumors that they were having an affair which I don't know if it's possible they certainly were tight right but I think more than anything. He was something to lean on and because he was her brother in law and she trusted him implicitly. Candor stood her pain which nobody else really could understand the way he could and then suddenly he was slain and that was away final. Blow one of the consultants. At Bobby's autopsy was forensic tallest. Cyril Wecht. I was an official consultant to Dr Thomas. NEGOTI cheeks product examiner corner of Los Angeles. County is see my English. Did you look at the autopsy report in fact. Tom called me about three or four o'clock in the morning. My time was three hours earlier there from Los Angeles. He didn't need any advice on how to do an autopsy but he was concerned that they would try to take Bobby Kennedy's body away like they had done with. JFK and dollars. and Tom and I hit become good friends at the American Academy Physics Scientists and he knew of my outspoken spoken communist regarding what they had done and I advise him in fact among things which he did was to invite the academic proactive fashion and invite the government to send in their forensic pathologists to be observers at your autopsy and he did that. And three of those military Sherry from super apologised whom we knew they were colleagues they attended despite the attempt to transparency. It seemed that once again the Kennedy assassination was followed by another shady. Cover up by the way then the cover-up remember the scenario in which Bobby Kennedy Kennedy was assassinated. Look it up. The distance from which to fatal shot was fired striking him. Just above and slightly behind the radiator was one to to one and a half inches one to one and a half inches and pull it also had a slightly forward trajectory. Sorry hand in front of him and you gotta Ask Yourself. How is this possible? I'll tell you how it's possible. Because they defense attorney who by the way not some snot nosed kid out of law school or in a talkative offenders office. He was inexperienced defense attorney. Name Grant Cooper Never Never consulted they fronts pathologist or a ballistics expert never had anybody testify at the trial and in the cross examination of Dr Gucci. Never asked him the question. I asked you two minutes ago about the distance from which the shot I fired or a subject to rick. 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Get ten percent of this this month at bit held dot com slash giant kind John. It's been a help. LP DOT com slash. Dave Joya Ah With John Bubby killed third. Rather Ted Ted Kennedy was the last of all Joe son's still standing I respect senator himself. He had his arm brush with death on a sixty four when the plane in which he was travelling crashed in bad weather near Southampton Massachusetts. The pilot another passenger were killed and Ted spent five months in hospital recovering from a broken back. Punctured lung and broken ribs. Worse was to follow as reporter. Andy Tila Explains Nineteen. sixty-nine Ted Kennedy that he was involved in what's now known as the Chappaquiddick incident. He had been at a party in. Martha's Vineyard for a group of young women who had worked on Bobby's presidential campaign the a year before he leaves the Party with one of the women. A twenty eight year old called. Mary Jo Kopechne me. I'm while driving across the bridge back from Chappaquiddick. Island loses control all crashes into the water. Ted Kennedy manage to escape from the car but Mary Jo did not Neri Jo Kopechne. He died in what seems to be in a tragic accident. Several things didn't add up. Senator Kennedy says he dived below the surface seven or eight times to try to rescue Before swimming to the shore and leaving drowned still trapped in the car that may be true but he then didn't report accident until the next morning after her body had already been found and why would he not report it did he just go home. Go to bed like nothing had happened. He also denied driving under the influence of alcohol and said that they had been nothing improper about his his relationship with Mary. Jo both statements have been called into question many times in the intervening years awake after the crash. Ted Ed Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was given a two-month suspended sentence avoiding imprisonment. Oddly no autopsy was ever the performed on the body of Mary. Jo nonense seventy an inquest to Mary. Jo's death concluded that several aspects of Ted Kennedy Story of that night when not true get another cover up which is now becoming the modus operandi of the Kennedys. Hiding the facts. Mary Jo Kopechne. He was a cover up combination combination. I think just some pressures behind the scenes having nothing to do with politics look counties and disgraced. The Kennedy Curse was not limited to the sums of Joe Senior however over the coming decades there with the incidents and deaths all involving John Genius seniors cousins four of them. The sums of Bobby Kennedy that did seem to be this extraordinary run of accidents. Reckless behavior bad. Look call all it what you will with. Bobby's kids I'll just run through a few of them in August. Nineteen seventy three when he was twenty. Bobby's eldest son. Joseph crushed his jeep and none took it badly injuring his brother. David Back and permanently paralysing. David's girlfriend Kelly. As a result of that David became addicted to painkillers which then escalated collided into heroin. He was later found dead in a hotel room in Palm Beach in Nineteen eighty-four from an overdose of a cocktail of drugs including cocaine and Emerald. Then you've got another brother Bobby junior also using heroin. He was arrested in one thousand nine hundred three firearm possession falling near overdose himself then. Finally finally this Michael who died in nineteen ninety-one in Aspen Colorado. He had been playing football on skis without any kind of helmet other safety equipment when he hits a tree just this is a kind of postscript the same year that Michael died another cousin. William Kennedy Smith who was a son of John. Juniors on gene was arrested and charged with the rape of a young woman he had met while drinking at the bar in Palm Beach with his uncle. Ted Kennedy she alleged after they had returned to the nearby Kennedy state hits sexually assaulted her a trial. Oh however he was acquitted of all charges so it seems as just as kind of litany of recklessness bad behavior criminality and bad look running through all these kits according to Leon Wagner at least he was never tempted by drugs. John didn't didn't use drugs he deliberately didn't because he had a fear of them because mostly because his cousins David Michael Bobby Junior all use tear on and had some terrible experiences with David and Michael Bus died Michael accident but he was inebriated at the time. And Bobby Junior was arrested in South Dakota and for possession of heroin and then he just didn't like to be around drug use at all. John Junior may have stayed away from drugs but like so many his family he had inherited the Kennedy wild streak in the sixty years almost since John Kennedy was assassinated. There have been a death in the Kennedy entity family and accidental death Kennedy family every two years nearly exactly every two years which is pretty extraordinary. I think for any family even a large family. Like there's at sort of sounds like a curse to me but like I say it's a curse that they to some degree brought upon themselves EXPI- risky behavior John F. Kennedy Junior was fearless and some say. He was very reckless if he took extraordinary chances as a skier as a kayaker on the water just any occasions. People said. You'RE GONNA kill yourself. What are you doing? As a reporter assigned to Cava the Kennedys for most of his career. Leon Wagner Watch John Junior grow from a stoic boy into a headstrong strong young men were wild kids. They're fun to be around and you never knew quite what to expect from them. I I have to say that. They had a tremendous exhibition EST streak and and enjoyed showing off particularly given the fact that they're comb their their compound of of of homes was a huge trust attraction and there was a constant stream of traffic driving having five miles an hour past the compound hoping for a look inside some of the Kennedy cousins of John. Juniors seniors had a habit of coming out front and posing and then yanking their blouses up and flashing the tourists and as one one of them told me that will give them something to talk about when I get home. When he was in Hyannis port he would do things like he would take his cousins and this is part of his exhibition EST thing to he would organize a party at the Hyannis Port Yacht Club which is just across the street from compound on the Ocean and day Chris Private club and it's locked up at night but of course they had the Kennedys had keys to it so they could get in anytime they wanted and they would go take six packs of beer and drink and they would take off their clothes and skinny dip in the the ocean off the dock midnight? Two o'clock in the morning they kind of did whatever they wanted. They ran the place and the cops more or less that surrounded the compound that temporary cops They were just hired for the summer. And we're really hired for the purpose of guarding the Kennedy Compound town and I may translate with with a couple of them and they told me some stories that make your hair stand on end about Some of their antics like like for example. One of the Kennedy Women. Jean Kennedy would tie ropes onto the back of her car and drive around with the kids on their bikes hanging onto the back of it and shouldn't go. Slow should go fifteen twenty forty miles an hour. I mean fatality if something God forbid happen as much as I love true crime solving mysteries sometimes even I need a break from time to time but but in order to do my best work as a detective on to stay shop and keep my Brian Active. That's why I love solving puzzles. Playing games to keep myself shop like best scenes jeans. Best fans is a mobile puzzle game. That's totally free to download you. Match three of a kind to clear the bowed but unlike some other matching games supplied this one lets you collect characters along the way that help you in the game. It can be a challenge but it's a fun little game that really anyone comply with my work. I tend to travel a lot so I like to apply it when I'm waiting for my flight or when I'm on the plane since you need to be connected to the incident apply. Engage your brain with fun. Puzzles and click tons of characters to trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated my ball puzzle. Okay is a must play database. Feigns free on the Apple APP store. Woah Google play. That's friends without the I pissed fiends Liam believes that the so-called Kennedy Casse has its its roots in this seemingly ingrained taste danger rather than extraordinary bad luck. Kurt me with that kind of behavior. Savior and that kind of behavior being encouraged by the grownups actor a grown up. Most of the time that the Kennedy curse was a curse I was brought on by their behavior. It was to some degree that they just couldn't contain themselves. They took risks and Dan did things that ordinary people wouldn't do and as a result along the line although they got away with quite a bit of it got gotTa wait a tremendous amount of it that when you consider the outcome. It's not surprising. I mean if you do that kind of thing all the time and then as they got older. They skied and played football at the same time in Aspen. which is what killed? Michael Kennedy John's cousins and they flew airplanes. And did all the riskiest sports you could possibly do. They dismissed I really challenged the harsh reality of life to take them. There is another trite unique to the Kennedys. These that is the family's mafia like a murder the code of silence about anything that might possibly disparage one of their own writer in presidential expert but Doug Wade explained one. Tactic used by the family. To perpetuate the Kennedy Myth. The Kennedys tried to pull it have and for many years when a book would come out that would tell the full story. Candidates would have another book ready. It would have someone always writing a book a friend and then when controversial bill would come they quickly rushed Trent their new book so that someone going into a bookstore would be confused though. which was the book had heard about? They wanted to buy also. Sometimes their official books backfire. They were forced by law to release some of the presidential papers. You can only kick them under wraps for so long and then by law they have to be public so when we expiration date chain they charities released east tens of thousands and thousands of pages of documents and they did that to dilute the release so the journalists would be able to find the more damaging information that was being made public. They went to Robert Gallic right presidential historian and gave him a look at the head. Start to write a book about John. F Kennedy Chesapeake which he did but now all this information about how ill Kennedy was and it had thing was like his. I Q you can go online and you'll see all kinds of stories about I choose the America. WHO's the smartest president to show pictures of John Kennedy with an eye? You two hundred sixty three and it's all false. IQ was one hundred nineteen. He took a written test as a young I candidate and those numbers have to be released. He was very poor and math and very court science extremely poor. It was very high English and literature so he sounded very well educated very oppressive and a one nineteen eighteen is above average. IQ That's a B. Student in college so but it's not one sixty. That's not accurate. Nevertheless the Kennedy's at least as a family will promote that the effect as Cyril Wecht explains is to suppress the truth. Lit affects and feed the conspiracies. I don't understand what the problem is. Why the Kennedy's as they say unknowingly unwittingly in their uptight feelings? Play into the hands of anybody who was involved in these deaths like the assassination summations of John and Robert and in the accident of Mary. Jo Kopechne me. With Ted Kennedy. Why the counties do this I I don't no I? I can't answer that in that regard somewhat related. I remember last year when Miss Capelli the mother of Mary Jo Kopechne he was interviewed food. And I remember that brought tears to my eyes. She said the worst mistake she had ever made in her. Life was vehemently arguing against reached the exclamation of her daughter and the performance of topsy. That is what she said last year as the sun. JFK John Junior effectively found himself at the head of the next generation of this complicated and cursed Kennedy Dynasty. Occasionally the pressure would tell on the a young patriarch in peculiar ways. Leon Wagner remembers witnessing one such incident himself he was A. Oh boy that I have to say you know manic energy to it and it was impossible for him to sit still for much of the the time and I went to his grandfather. Hugh Auchincloss is his step grandfather. Actually his funeral in Newport Rhode Island and John was a I want to say about nine approximately ten. Maybe we were in a very small airport in Newport dead. No secret service or any protection and John was bored having to wait for their private plane to arrive. And all of a sudden he just spontaneously sprung out of the seat and started dancing. And I mean dancing manically like he couldn't control what he was doing almost and Jackie interestingly just ignored him and leading get it out of the system. I guess but there's always with a photographer and of course snapping pictures. Jackie walked up to me and said please tell him to stop doing that. Higgins pictures and so I said sure so you know I I did did and We let him be but then he danced like that for say ten fifteen minutes and quite a display and I you have to think that part of it was his manic energy. Part of it was the fact that eight been through a lot and Dan the idea of attending yet another funeral and his life was just filled with death at that young age. I have to think that that's that's sort of set him off and Jackie understood that and that's why she. He made an attempt really to to stop him or to say anything to him. She's let him get it out of the system and he clearly he calmed down. I me I never saw him doing anything like that. You know when you got a little older as John. Junior grew from child to man the pressure of living up to the Kennedy name and perhaps the growing dread of the Kennedy curse would only grind with him. There may be a reason for it that it may be there. I mean from the time they're little kids growing up people come up to him. Say when are you going to be president. And especially with John F. Kennedy junior because not only was his father father president but his father was assassinated. So it's almost like hey pal when are you gonNa get this back. It's almost the pressure is on on so under normal circumstances the pressure is on these aim sakes they tend to do things that are self destructed. They become alcoholics. So that's something that happens naturally but if your dad is assassinated it's kind of like hey are you gonna let him get away with that. You're you're supposed to take it back. That's tremendous pressure to be under to live under. I don't think they would be that overt in their pressure but it was kind ova it was. It was pretty hard to avoid. I mean you. Every time you turned around anybody. You were introduced to her. You've ever met. It would be discussed trust. That was something that was faced every day. He didn't show that there were any affected him in in any way because it would be not managed not Kennedy enough to show any emotions about it but the effect of the assassinations nations overall on John over the years was to accept his mother's dire warnings that they were out to kill Kennedy's and you would think that that would petrified by a young man finally finally on July the Sixteenth nineteen ninety nine the curse struck again so I was an automobile and the radio was on the came over the news that John. F Kennedy Jr. is airplane had disappeared over the Atlantic and I had chills go down my spine. I thought this is just wow I heard it and I thought this has happened over over and over throughout history. This cannot be a coincidence. There there must be some terrible pressure. I don't believe in curses but there must be some subconscious level something being very strong. That's going on that. Some terrible pressure that's going on. I've had people say that it could be the reverse. I tend to say that they have these feelings of self-destruction that are not going to be president. I'm not GonNa make this just too much. I can't take this and that at some unconscious level. That's going on but I've had others say the opposite. They'd say that they felt John F.. Kennedy Junior in your was just bold beyond reason that he took great risks extreme risks that he didn't wear a life preserver need be out in a Kayak and that he felt he was indestructible that. I`MMA Kennedy nothing can happen to me. I have a destiny so I've heard it both ways. I tend to suspect it's former next time on fatal voyage John F. Kennedy Junior case sold To cocaine spiraled out of control. That's when he became angry at her and yelled at her and Kirstein her. I said if I had millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. The last thing I'd want to be doing is flying in small plan John F. Kennedy Junior. 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BOX120: Duckman Was An Academic

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BOX120: Duckman Was An Academic

"What follows may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Inch four stories. Stories of mysteries. Curiosities? Jeez. Jew in and Joe through Gilligan tov for the strange. The unexpected as the bid and offer sleep here inside the box oddities. I am married to a wonderful one woman who is full of empathy and love and caring and rudely competitive. And let me give you an example. You are sack your ear so competitive, it's ridiculous. I love you. But you are so competitive she she went to donate blood was it two days ago. And now that she's not she comes. She comes home. And I said so he gave blood today. She again, I said how'd you do? And she said I won. I'm like what what what how fast did you bleed out? You gave a pint in minutes fifty seconds is that a personal best. You beat everybody else on the table. But was that a personal best? I I can't I can't say I don't keep track of those kinds of things because I'm not competitive. See I find that surprising because you you love lists. And you love to win. Yeah. So I thought maybe you're keeping a list of how fast you bleed out when you go to the Red Cross, it's not my fastest. But it's pretty good. It is. Yeah, congratulations. We announced our third live show for Halloween week. And it will be at laugh Boston in Boston. So excited fingers crossed. The Red Sox are still playing. Last week of October. I don't know I guess tall order this season. But who knows we're going to be at laughed Boston October twenty seventh Sunday night then at the comedy zone in Charlotte on October twenty nine th that's a Tuesday. And then the next night Wednesday back at zanies comedy nightclub in Nashville where so excited to have these all set and lined up in advance is really pleasing for me. And the way that I need to do things your list maker. If you put it right next to your blood leading list. So we did announce it on social media yesterday. By the way, you're not a member of our any of our social media pages. We would love to have you. Join us when we announced the new tour. We got just a flurry of great comments. And I love this one j Glenn, and he said, you know, we're over here in England patiently sipping our T in glancing at our watches, right? I love it. I responded in said we would love to enjoy a spot of tea with you. And he writes back Huzzah mind, you I'm not letting you anywhere near the harbor with it. So I guess that rules out the Boston show for him. Thanks J. We would love to go to England gosh. Australia to go all the places we get intimately. I want to go to all of the places. She has a list for that too. And I'm not kidding. She definitely does Pinterest. It is your turn to go. First my love. Oh, is it? Okay. That's good. Because this is rough. All right. It's two thousand nine in the needs needs gory area in Russia going and locals begin to discover the graves of their loved ones are being desecrated. And sometimes completely dug up Russian officials taking this seriously. They decided to beef up their police units they actually formed a task force. But for nearly two years this was going on and the interior ministry's leads weren't panning out graves continued to be desecrated. And no one knew why would kind of disagree. Just knocking over tombstones and stuff or digging people up my to said and sometimes completely dug up miss that part. I was still trying to in my mind picture how that name that? You said was spelled there are a lot of consonants. Yeah. In twenty eleven. There was a terrorist attack at an airport in Moscow and shortly afterwards. Authorities heard reports that Muslim graves were being desecrated in cemeteries in town. So they were investigating a specific lead at a specific cemetery, and they found at that cemetery. Someone was painting over the pictures of the dead Muslims on the graves bitch weird. So this guy's name is an totally Moscow VIN. And they thought this was a little sketchy for sure and so they wanted to speak to him do a little digging. Figure out what what the deal was. Because this wasn't the kind of desecration that they were seeing, but it was still very strange and not okay. So eight police officers went to his apartment after they apprehended him at the graves to gather evidence, so any totally Moscow VIN who normally in a situation like this. I would pick the easier to pronounce the names and just call him that from now on but Anatoly that just feel Moscow VIN sounds like Muskogee duck Golan duckman said duck man was an academic, and he was very interested in Celtic history and folklore as well as languages and linguistics he had a deep interest in cemeteries, burial rituals death, and the occult he had a personal library of over sixty thousand books and documents a bit of a pack rat for sure. I can see that he spoke at least a dozen language as holy crap. Yeah. So they went into his apartment, and yes pack rat is a great way to describe him. Just stuff everywhere, including those books documents that we talked about memorabilia for various things in a lot of dolls. Okay. Dolls like full size. Life-sized doll like figures or out the apartments. Okay. Warning sign the figures resembled antique dolls, they were fine and varied clothing some knee-high boots other makeup on their faces that Scovill had covered in fabric. He also had their hands wrapped in fabric, which was kind of strange until you realize that they're human hands because he's our human people. That's what I rest is doll. I know it they were the mummified corpses of human girls. Okay. So Moscow Vince parents who he shared this apartment with had seen the mummies. But had also thought that they were large dolls, and that's totally understandable from sitting that you don't think that your son is a maniac whose bringing home corpses. And also the fact that they played music when you touch them wake back up just a minute. He had somehow installed musical devices. Inside these corpses was a bluetooth. No, no, it's much more rudimentary more along the lines of jamming music boxes in their ribcages. Yeah. But could have done a better job with some bluetooth. Oh for sure. No. I mean, you've got that jukebox that you made with the touch screen on the front out of an old antique radio, and it is so cool. You're pretty talented guy. It was fun. And it was a lot easier than jamming a boombox in the ribcage of a dead person. So investigators for the center of combating extremism discovered that twenty six bodies in Moscow wtn's apartment and garage. Videos released by police showed the body seated on shelves laying on sofas hanging out in his bedroom. All over the apartment, according to the investigators the bodies were removed from cemeteries in his town as well as surrounding towns in the Moscow region God. So when this was discovered mosque n- Stockman, actively cooperated with investigators. He loved history he traveled extensively. He taught at the college level. He was a journalist part time, and he was known as having the most knowledge about local cemeteries of anybody in this area. He was kind of called like the ultimate expert in cemeteries. He would go to cemeteries in the area from two thousand five to two thousand seven he claimed to visited seven hundred fifty two seven Terry's. He took detailed notes on each cemetery. He went into the histories of those. Buried there. And he claimed to have walked up to twenty miles per day. Just exploring these cemeteries usually up to the part where he dug up dead people. I think I could have really enjoyed this guy's company. Right. It's super interesting. And I love the the enthusiasm with what she he approaches. These explorations we go back to the whole when you touch the corpse music plays getting there. Okay. Duckman actually posted a documentary series of his travels and discoveries entitled great walks around cemeteries, and what the dead said and these continue to be published in a weekly newspaper. So we have these corpses mostly mummified in this apartment, a great number of them and police are trying to figure out what is going on here. And so they start talking to him about where this obsession comes from. He said that when he was thirteen he was on his way home from school and a group of men in black suits stopped him. They were on their way to a funeral for an eleven year old girl, and they forced him to go to this funeral. And this is a Cording to duck, man. The mother of the deceased eleven year old girl forced duck man to quote, unquote, Mary this girl. They exchanged rings. And then he went on his way. And the the mom was happier. Knowing that her daughter had died or was being buried married at eleven at eleven. You know, maybe, but I find that a little bit difficult to believe we've talked about people who are arranged marriages post mortem. So although twenty six bodies were discovered in his home, he was suspected of desecrating as many as one hundred fifty graves and after police found grave things accoutrements if you will such as nameplates removed from headstones they also started finding personal belongings and clothing inside some of the mummies mortgage, his personal clothing using a dead person as a hamper. No, I'm sorry. I didn't make that very clear their items and other local grave items stolen from cemeteries inside the the mummies. Okay. One mummy had a piece of her own gravestone with her name scrawled on it inside her body. Another contained a hospital tag with the date and cause of the girl's death. There was a dried human heart found inside a third body. And then of course, there were the music boxes that he had put in there. So that they would make noises. When he moved them. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you said when they touched them the music would play how did he work that technology out? I don't know specifically it wasn't motion activated. Honey, I don't know you walk by the corpse like emotion activated light in your yard would make the corpse. You've got a lot of great ideas here. And I want to jot those down you know, what I would have done. I would have integrated the Clapper technology. She'll just go and then the corpse plays girls. Like you by maroon five featuring Cardi B. All right. So obviously corpses in your apartment they caused some some troubles. He was really struggling with keeping their bodies from withering and shrinking as they dried. So he was wrapping their limbs in strips of cloth to provide fullness he would stuff their bodies with rags and padding sometimes adding wax masks decorated with nail polish over their faces before addressing them in brightly colored children's clothing and wigs and these details are what made them look like big dolls, which is how it is alleged that his parents went as long as they did without knowing what was going on. But still he's got an apartment full of twenty-six life-sized dolls all made up in children's clothing would not that raise your eyebrows a little bit. Wouldn't you think I got to sit down and talk with doc man, little Ducky? We we called him when he was little day may have. Have been weirded out by it. But they certainly didn't think he was bringing corpses. Home. Wow. Maybe they did. I don't know. I don't know these people, but keep in mind, they weren't coming over to his apartment. They shared an apartment. They lived there. Oh, but according to reports, they did travel a lot. Okay. I bet. Yes. We gotta get stuffy Duckie's brought home more friends. So they're in court and duck man confessed to forty four counts of abusing the graves and corpses have girls aged three to twelve. Holy crap. He told interrogators that he was waiting for science to find ways for these girls to live again as well. As also wanting to learn more and become an expert in mammoth occasion. He was always looking to learn he did tell investigators during the course of this process, not to rebury the girls too deeply because he would gather them again once he was free. He also told bereaved parents who described him as evil, I'm not evil your evil, you abandon those girls. And I brought them home in warm them up. Okay. One of the mothers of the one of the girls found in his apartment talked about how upsetting this whole situation was because they found that the girl who was ten when she had died had been at his apartment for nine years. And the mother said it's upsetting to me that I had her for ten years and he had her for nine. And then in court when he spoke to them about having abandoned them. And I mean this woman had already lost her daughter to murder someone had murdered her child. And then to find out nine years later. I can't even I'm just gonna. Who's the elephant in the room was he having sex with corpses. He was not having sex with corpses. Allegedly. Okay. But we do not know this. That is I just what he said what he told police was they he cared for these girls. Corpses. As though he was carrying for his own children that he picked out H girl. Very specifically that he would lay on their graves and try to get in touch with the girls. And he would listen for what they said often he said they would ask to be taken out for a walk. Okay. He had birthday parties for these girls. Their birthdays were all marked in on a chart in his bedroom, which I do appreciate realist- maker. And they would celebrate their birthdays. Whoa. Some of the corpses would lose his favor, and he had a few of them that were stored in the garage and some of them he reburied. I don't know what possibly could have. I don't know. I don't have the answer to this. Wow, police said that he was not motivated by sexual desires one officer said quote, he loathed sex. And he thought it was disgusting. Okay. He had actually believed that rescuing, quote, unquote, these children from having been buried was more important than following the law, and he was sad that he couldn't have children, and he had once tried to adopt a child even against the wishes of his parents who he lived with which you can't just you can't just bring new children into homes with your parents have to agree to that kind of thing. Was this his parents apartment? Yeah. Jesus grows while he wasn't allowed to adopt because he was declined due to his low income. Thank goodness. Saddam was charged under article two four four of the criminal code for desecration. Graves and dead bodies which carried up to five years in prison. But after a psychiatric evaluation it was determined that he suffered from a form of schizophrenia. And in a hearing he was deemed unfit to stand trial. The prosecution was satisfied with that they didn't appeal the verdict. And so he was sent to a hospital. So last year, this is two thousand eighteen psychiatrists claimed that they had cured him and recommended outpatient treatment. Now, keep in mind, the families of the corpse, the corpse girls freaked out, and we're like, no he has repeatedly shown that he is not someone who we can have out and about he even said if you let me out my we'll unbirthday these girls again, so the psychiatrists reverse their claim, but because that. Court. Order was already granted for a period of time. He was technically free to leave and he had plans to move to Moscow. There were some people who worked very hard to delay his being let out and last month the court said that he would be held indefinitely. Okay. All right. How long was he out was he out? He was not was not now. Okay. They kept they delayed it. They kept delaying until they could make a ruling that said. No, okay. You did not cure him. We don't care. He's not getting out while. Yeah. And so that was just resolved last month. 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But when we started talking about it this morning, it'd be a good one finish up and do today, the Kennedy curse, according to Wikipedia is a term for a series of deaths and calamities that the Kennedy family has experienced for quite a while. Of course, we all know about JFK's assassination in RFK's assassination. Chappaquiddick incident were teddy. Kennedy drove his car into the lake killing Mary. Jo Kopechne me, many many more things which has become known as the Kennedy curse. In fact, Ted Kennedy in his own testimony about the Chappaquiddick incident in nineteen sixty nine said I sometime. Uh-huh. Begin to wonder if my family is cursed others, of course, would say, it's a big family share. You know, things happen things happen. But there's no denying that some pretty terrible things have happened to the Kennedy family over the years. According to Ireland's big issue. No one has ever really been able to pin down the source of the bad luck. But that is until recently. Oh, yeah. There's this story that has been uncovered, and I guess it's been told for years in Ireland, but was never really publicized much in in the US the curse goes back to allegedly according to this article Thomas Honey Fitz, Gerald Thomas, Honey, Fitz, FitzGerald, which would have been John F Kennedy's great grandfather, the story goes that he had a dream that he was gonna find gold, and he had a very precise location in mind. He he dreamed a very vividly. And and it was a recurring dream was near some mountains. It was by a tree by Brooke. And so he was obsessed with finding this place throughout his his life one night. He was traveling. With some friends, and they came across a woman who was dying. So they carried her to a local herdsmen's house a cottage and the next morning. He recognized the area as part of his dream that he had he he saw tree that resembled a tree that he had dreamed of he dug it up any found like a kettle of gold like at a pot of gold like a pot of gold interesting. Yeah. Now where it is that everybody associated with the gold in the in in finding the gold everybody. He gave the gold to some horrible thing happened to them. Well, that's not fair. He did a nice thing by helping that lady. Yeah. And then was rewarded by curse gold? It was said that the gold coins brought down terrible luck on the entire village starting with his friend O'Malley's wife. She poisoned herself and died forty houses before the famine which were mostly. Hovels in a landlord's house were blown over by the wind in eighteen thirty nine story is the gold and washed ashore, there were Spanish the blooms, and there was some sort of an Incan curse or or or something like that. So so Thomas fits leaves for America. Share his hovel blew over as hobbles will do he moves to Boston. He has a son his son. John Francis FitzGerald he was born in the north end of Boston. He became a pretty successful politician in his own, right? He became mayor of Boston from one thousand nine hundred sixty one thousand nine hundred eight he was defeated for reelection in. Oh seven but then one again in January of nineteen ten and returned to the office until nineteen fourteen Boston here, it's nice in October. He had promised a guy named Michael Curley that he would not run for another term as mayor since. It was a position that. Curly sought and they were I guess friends, but in one thousand nine hundred thirteen FitzGerald decided to run for reelection. Anyway, so curly did what politicians do? They expose embarrassing information about their opponents. Yup. He threatened to expose a dalliance that FitzGerald had with a cigarette. Girl called toodle 's Ryan why? Yeah, what a glorious name and it was at a local gambling clubs. So he backed off he started to focus on business as opposed to politics. But when his grandson JFK won his seat in congress. He was still alive. And this was he was eighty three years old, and he helped Jeff k plan his campaign strategy at the victory celebration. Honey Fitz danced in Irish jig sang sweet Adeline and predicted that his grandson would someday occupy the White House. I have a question if if Honey Fitz FitzGerald when Fitz FitzGerald when did they become the Kennedys? Honey Fitz daughter was rose and she married Joe. Kennedy in the early nineteen hundreds and that was a politically motivated arrangement because the Kennedys were up and coming politicians or Joe senior was an up and coming politician. And he knew that Honey Fitz was a bigwig in the Boston area. So he married Honey Fitz is daughter, and that's how the curse transferred allegedly from Honey Fitz, Gerald to the Kennedy clan. According to CNN here are some of the things that people attribute to the candidates being cursed. Many people in one thousand nine hundred nine remember when JFK son John Kennedy, jR, and his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and sister-in-law Lauren beset crashed airplane he became disoriented and crashed into the Atlantic. But thirty five years earlier Ted Kennedy survived a nineteen sixty four playing. Crash that killed two people. My goodness. Which also reminds me we know of somebody else who survived a plane incident. Who's at your grandfather? Yes. Which is one of my favorite stories that that you mama told us ever, it's a glorious story. I don't know if you have time to tell it our hearing Klein to tell it now, but it is a wonderful story. You can tell it later if you want, but it must. I think it would it would take a little time to tell that. But it is a pretty amazing story next episode. Tell the best story. President Kennedy's older, brother. Joe? Kennedy junior died in nineteen forty four hundred air disaster after volunteering to pilot a secret and extremely dangerous World War Two bombing mission. Over Nazi-occupied France four years after the family lost Joe junior president Kennedy's sister. Kathleen Kennedy who was named kick. She and three others died when their small plane crashed in France while flying in a storm. She was only twenty eight years old. So just playing crashes alone. How many people in your family have died in a plane crash? They had four or five. Yeah. Or that? We're in plane crashes mind that like no one in my family was even on a plan until about nineteen Ninety-six. Really? We're poor. Here is I've organized this chronologically we're going to run through the Kennedy curse. Okay. Here we go nineteen forty one Rosemary Kennedy was often believed to have been intellectually disabled. I'll we talked about her lobotomy. She had a lobotomy. She was institutionalized until her death in two thousand five Rosemary's condition may have inspired. Her sister Eunice to initiate the Special Olympics in nineteen sixty two. Nice August twelfth nineteen forty four JOSEPH P KENNEDY junior. He died in his in a plane crash. Like we mentioned on may thirteenth nineteen forty eight. Kathleen, she died in a plane crash. Nineteen sixty-one Joe Kennedy senior suffered a massive stroke with left him paralysed on his right side. August of nineteen sixty three Patrick Bouvier. Kennedy died of infant respiratory distress syndrome after being born two days premature. Sure. November twenty second nineteen sixty three. Of course, president John F Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas June nineteenth nineteen sixty four Ted Kennedy involved in his plane crash June fifth nineteen sixty eight Robert Kennedy assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, July eighteenth, nineteen sixty nine the Chappaquiddick incident. Ted Kennedy accidentally drove off the bridge Chappaquiddick island, which fatally trapped is twenty eight year old passenger Mary Jo Kopechne e inside August thirteenth nineteen Seventy-three JOSEPH P KENNEDY the second was the driver of Jeep that crashed and left his pass in your Pam Kelly. Paralyzed November seventeenth nineteen Seventy-three Edwin M Kennedy junior then twelve had to have his right leg surgically amputated due to bone cancer, April twenty fifth nineteen Eighty-four David a Kennedy died of a cocaine overdose. In Palm Beach, Florida hotel room, April of nineteen Ninety-one William. Kennedy Smith arrested and charged with the rape of a young woman at the Kennedy estate, and I don't think that's got anything to do with curse that's being horrible December thirty first nineteen Ninety-seven Michael Kennedy died in a skiing accident in aspirin, Colorado. I remember that they were playing football on skis. And he he skied into a tree. Oh my goodness. July of nineteen ninety nine JFK junior died when the plane he was piloting piloting a piper Saratoga crashed into the Atlantic Ocean. September sixteenth two thousand eleven CARA. Kennedy died of a heart attack while exercising in Washington. DC health club at age fifty one she had reportedly suffered from lung cancer nine years earlier but had recovered after the removal of part of her lung and in may of twenty twelve Mary Richardson Kennedy committed suicide on the grounds of her home in Bedford Westchester county. New York that's a lot of shit for one family a lot. Now again, you can argue it's a big family big. Family people die all the time. Right. And this is a family. You know, you talk about the plane crashes and stuff that's proportionately much higher than the average person. I mean, how many people do, you know, have died in a plane crash, let alone in your own family. But those people are flying a lot more time all the time the average bear. Yup. So that can be explained for short. It's amazing though that one family like that is met with so much tragedy Matic loss. There's a new book out now about the the Kennedy curse. And it is cold the Kennedy curse shattered by les Williams. And his argument is this that all of those things are real all of those things happen. But there's nothing supernatural about it. He says, it's Joe Kennedy seniors fault the patriarch. Okay. He said Joe Kennedy raised his children to believe that they were better than anyone else. And that they had to win. Every time and at any cost his obsessive driving ambition would influence the decisions that his children made and the way they live their lives. And this controlling overbearing approach would have disastrous consequences for the family over the years. Now, of course, doesn't explain things like disease or or something like that? But they did take risks. Okay. So there was a drive to succeed that maybe put them in more dangerous situations than than the average family might be repeatedly put into. Yeah. Got it. And in addition to that because there were so many big horrible things that happened to them like the, you know, the assassinations that kind of fed on itself in caused more tragedy. A good example of that is David Kennedy's death. David, of course, was the son of RFK Ethel and Robert F Kennedy one of their eleven children. He died in as I mentioned in eighty four at a palm. Beach hotel after a drug overdose. Twenty eight years old. He had reportedly watched his father's assassination on live TV when he was a little boy. Yeah. Struggled with drug addiction. So I think it's just kind of it's a it's a perfect storm of things. I don't think it has anything to do with Honey Fitz gold that I wouldn't think so either. But I do it. It makes perfect sense. That certain tragedies will be get more tragedy. And it just makes sense. But yeah, no, probably probably not got to do with the pot of gold hero. That's what I was able to dig up on the on the Kennedy curse. I had not heard the pot of gold story. Right. That's interesting that comes from the Irish press. But I think the new book, the Kennedy curse shattered is is definitely onto something there with the, you know, the blind driving ambition that Joe Kennedy senior instilled in his children to succeed at any cost at any price at any risk. That's really interesting. It also makes me want to learn more about Irish folklore, and I can't wait to go to Ireland with you. And and go to all the places and see all the amazing thing. Learn all the amazing stuff. I want very much to go to a museum and see a piece of Irish history and go, do you think that do you think that's the pot that had the Fitz, Patrick FitzGerald? What was his name was Gerald Nova fits Honey Fitz. Do you think that's piece of the putt from Huntington school? You think that's his putt? Why have Irish roots? I would love to go. My great grandfather's name was o'hagan. Oh, man. Yeah. Didn't you're like great grandmother come here because of the Irish potato famine, and like she was like Q sturdy. She was a mad sturdy female. He made her way here. I I love that story to please tell it that's for another time as well. Okay. Remind me to tell you the plane story. Okay. The plane incident. I will my grandfather whose chromatic it down right now. Two tickets for our live shows probably will go on sale this week. They're in the process of uploading all of the information to the various websites, and we expect to be able to announce their being on sale in in the coming days. Again, we're going to be in Boston. I tell the twenty seven we're going to be in Charlotte. I talk twenty ninth and we're going to be in Nashville October thirtieth our Halloween week mini tour. Fucking sarda. 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James Earl Ray: MLK Assassin

Assassinations

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James Earl Ray: MLK Assassin

"On April Twenty First Nineteen Sixty eight James Earl Ray sat in Toronto Canada bar according to legacy of secrecy. He sipped a screwdriver while the T._v. played crime. Drama called the F._B._i.. Every fictional episode of the F._B._I.. Ended with the host showing a picture of a real wanted criminal and a call for the public to report any information regarding the case at the end of that night's episode the Star of the series Ephram Zimbalist junior announced a new addition to the F._B._I.'s ten most Wanted List James Earl Ray's photo appeared on the screen sitting in that bar in Toronto Ray wondered how many people recognized him he may have felt the weight of every glance cast his way as he settled the bill and left he knew he didn't just need to leave the bar he had to get out of Canada even off the continent but wherever he went ray could never escape the law he was wanted for the murder of Dr Martin Luther King Junior and the F._b._i.. Wouldn't rest last until he was found. One death can changed the world. At least that's what assassins believe welcome to assassinations apar- cast original every Monday we examined the famous assassins of history and the men and women who were assassinated. I'm your host russian-built. Thomas and I'm your host Kate Leonard Today. We're looking at James. Earl Ray who in nineteen sixty nine confessed to killing civil rights leader Martin Luther King Junior mere days later. He recanted his confession launching a slew of conspiracy theories that persist to this day. This episode is part of podcast summer of sixty nine event July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the memory the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history the summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. We'll be digging into Mohammed Ali's banned from the boxing ring a wide reaching l._S._d.. Cult and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all on our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere else you listen to podcasts at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out it on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help November twenty second nineteen sixty three was a great tragedy for those who advocated for civil rights. No one could have anticipated that such a great man or a great leader could any struck down by an assassin's bullet conspiracy theories would swirl in the coming days but in the first hours after two bullets ripped through President John F. Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas Texas. The American public sat in stunned silence. One member of that public was Dr Martin Luther King Junior King was at his home in Atlanta Georgia with his wife Coretta Scott King when they saw the coverage of Kennedy's assassination nation on television as they took in what they'd seen king turn to his wife and set what proved to be prophetic words. This is what is going to happen to me. Also king's life ended less than and five years later on the evening of April third nineteen sixty eight a petty criminal named James Earl Ray took aim from the bathroom at Bessie Breuer's boarding house and killed King with a single shot ray ray was arrested on July nineteenth nineteen sixty eight at his arraignment in March nineteen sixty-nine he pled guilty and was sentenced to ninety nine years in prison however three days after his plea ray recanted confession. He claimed that he'd been set up to take the fall for a larger conspiracy against king now. If you're interested in hearing conspiracy theories about Dr King's assassination go ahead and check out our two part heart series on this subject on par casts other show conspiracy theories in this episode. We're going to focus on the official story in which James Earl Ray worked alone looking at his background. Nothing suggest yes James Earl Ray would become an assassin however from a young age his life seemed preordained for petty. Crime Ray was born on March Tenth Nineteen Twenty eight in Alton Illinois. He came from a large family family and grew up the oldest of eight siblings. Raise father was a small time criminal and the family struggled to make ends meet they moved around frequently sometimes to evade the police as a child ray failed the first grade and had to repeat it in the coming years he did poorly in school frequently skipped class and got in trouble for fighting with his classmates until he finally dropped out at the age of fifteen in Nineteen Forty Five Live seventeen-year-old ray enlisted in the military. Perhaps the chronic underachiever hoped he would flourish within the structure of army life but instead he bristled under the strict rules stationed in West Germany race was repeatedly disciplined for drunkenness fighting and selling stolen goods on December twenty third nineteen forty eight he was dishonorably discharged for ineptness and lack of adaptability to the military service civilian. Life didn't go any better for him. In Nineteen fifty to twenty four year old ray robbed a taxi driver. He was immediately arrested and served two years in prison. He'd only just completed his prison sentence. When he was arrested again this time for burglary in September nineteen fifty four before he could even stand trial he robbed a post office while out on bail all raise it criminal activity was usually opportunistic and impulsive motivated by a need for quick cash? He was a run of the mill petty thief just like his father had been he never gave any any indication that he was inclined toward premeditated violence or political activism that doesn't mean that ray was an advocate for equal rights however his brothers would later testify that ray headstrong racist leanings but he never went so far as to become active within any hate group his crimes were limited to robberies which were often poorly planned leading to his numerous arrests in October nineteen fifty nine at the age of thirty. One Ray was arrested for Robbing Kroger Grocery store in Saint Louis Missouri by this point he'd been convicted numerous times and was a suspect in several unsolved bank robberies. The courts had lost their patients ray. Marie was sentenced to twenty years in prison for decades. Historians have struggled to determine raise motive for killing Martin Luther King Junior but it may have been the same simple motive that had driven all his crimes money. Money during his time in prison it's likely ray heard rumors that white supremacist groups were offering bounties to anyone who could silence Martin Luther King Junior whether those bounties actually existed is up for a debate but the rumor was widely circulated throughout the sixties he may have been tempted by the thought of that payout or he may have just been tired of sitting around behind bars but in April nineteen sixty seven eight years. There's into his twenty year sentence ray decided it was time to get out the Missouri State Penitentiary had a bakery where they prepared bread for all the inmates before his escape ray stashed ashed change of clothes in the bedroom a white shirt and a pair of prison pants he died solid black with stenciling with the help of a few other inmates ray snuck into the bakery changed his clothes and hid inside a breadbox four feet tall and three feet wide and deep. The box was large enough for ray to fit but he had to crouch. It was not comfortable race. Accomplices closed his box then loaded onto a truck truck with the boxes containing actual loaves of bread ray road the bread truck out of the prison gates stayed on board for several blocks then jumped out the back of the truck near the Missouri River Bridge. The driver didn't even see him for for nearly a week ray low hiding in whatever shelter he could find during the day and walking all night he feared that a man hunt may catch up to him any day but he may have overestimated how much attention his escape escape would get because ray had never shown a tendency toward premeditated violence. The State of Missouri considered him a low priority around April twenty eighth five days after his escape ray was willing to risk returning turning to a populated area he jumped on board a slow moving train and hitched a ride to Saint Louis Missouri his life on the run had begun as a newly freed man ray knew he had to stay they under the government's radar in order to avoid rearrest and a return to prison he adopted several aliases including Eric storrow Galt Harvey Low Meyer and John Willard Ray wasn't experienced orients with stealing identities so he muddled his way through by selecting the names from phone books then forging fake I._D.'s operating under these aliases ray spent the year traveling between Mexico and Los Angeles where he he launched a pornographic film company when his pornography Career Failed Ray also tried his hand at restaurant work from January to March nineteen sixty eight ray enrolled in bartending school using the name Eric S. skuld but this like his other attempts failed soon he found himself turning back to crime during this time in Los Angeles for the first time in his life ray got involved with politics. The world was changing changing racial equality was in the news and Ray was only growing more entrenched in his racist attitudes ray began reading the thunderbolts a pro segregation magazine published for an audience of white supremacists in December nineteen sixty seven. He got into a bar brawl when he hit a dancer who said that she supported equal rights ray also volunteered at the north Hollywood headquarters for George Wallace's nineteen eighteen sixty eight presidential campaign wallace an Alabama governor an outspoken white supremacist had rocketed to national fame when he tried to prevent black students from attending classes at the University of Alabama Alabama in one thousand nine hundred sixty three as governor. I am the highest constitutional officer of the State of Alabama. I am butter the sovereignty of this date and I will be prison to bar the inference of any Negro who attempts to enroll all at University of Alabama as you can hear from that clip of George Wallace there was no doubting Ray was volunteering for a racist 'cause and while these painful sentiments were unfortunately common when they spread to James Earl array the festered throughout early nineteen sixty eight something was shifting in James Earl Ray's mind as all his attempts to start a new legitimate life continued to fail he felt powerless to break himself out of the pattern of criminal behavior he'd become accustomed to during these few months ray became obsessed with hypnosis believing that there was a deep rooted psychological cause for his impulsive criminal criminal behavior he underwent hypnotherapy to try and change his fate around the same time in March nineteen sixty eight ray hired a plastic surgeon and had a rhino plastic performed. He told the the doctor he was an actor and a new nose would help him land parts in reality. Perhaps he believed that a new face would allow him a fresh start or perhaps he simply thought the plastic surgery would make him less recognizable will and help him avoid arrest just eleven days later on March Sixteenth nineteen sixty eight Martin Luther King Junior visited Los Angeles and when King Left Los Angeles so did James Earl Ray ray spent the next several weeks stalking Dr King around the country on March twenty second nineteen sixty eight he arrived in Selma Alabama. Were King was due to lead a march that same day but the march was cancelled due to a snowstorm ray had missed his chance instead the next morning he headed to King's hometown Atlanta Georgia raise motive for stocking and subsequently subsequently murdering king is still up for debate. Maybe he was still tempted by the potential of bounty money maybe he hated king because of his calls for equal rights but whatever Ray's motives one thing was sure he wouldn't rest until Martin Luther King was dead. James Earl Ray wasn't the first person who tried to kill Martin Luther King Junior. The son of a Lutheran Minister King King had been passionate about justice from a young age after attending theology school and becoming a minister kings animated speeches garnered him a following within the civil rights movement and made him a target for racist assists violence king didn't achieve national prominence as a political activist until December nineteen fifty five when Rosa parks was arrested for violating Montgomery Segregation laws at the time twenty six year old king had just been elected as the head of civil rights group called the Montgomery Improvement Association they long been looking for a case they could use to challenge segregation laws and king seize the opportunity on January thirtieth nineteen fifty six king called for a boycott of the Montgomery bus system. The boycott lasted nearly an entire year and it catapulted king to national fame for the next decade and a half he led lead boycotts marches protests and sit ins he traveled throughout the south giving speeches in February nineteen fifty seven he was featured on the cover of Time magazine but for all of kings positive influence he made numerous enemies his calls for racial equality were threatening to white supremacists racists. His advocacy for wealth redistribution was a threat to the wealthy and his criticism of the Vietnam War alienated opinionated many of his former allies in the U._S.. Government including President Lyndon Johnson throughout the civil rights era king received numerous death threats and a few assassination attempts. The first attempt occurred. On September Twentieth Nineteen Fifty Eight when a woman stabbed him in the neck with a letter opener during a book signing king survived narrowly king was also a constant victim of harassment from the Federal Bureau of Investigation since the late nineteen fifties the F._B._I.'s Racial Matters Program had been tasked with looking into members of racial advocacy movements king was investigated for ties to communism and designated as the head of a black nationalist hate group the F. B.. I. Tapped his phones tracked his travels and in nineteen sixty four sent him a threatening letter encouraging him to commit suicide king knew that his advocacy would make him numerous enemies but he wouldn't allow himself to be silenced by threats he continued to fight for what he believed was right. The boldness would eventually lead to his death jeff in early April Nineteen Sixty eight James Earl Ray and Martin Luther King junior collided and the fallout changed the civil rights movement for ever coming up next I will discuss the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Junior and the manhunt and trial of James Earl Ray. We are so appreciative of you spending the time to listen to our show as a thank you we wanted to do something nothing special for you. Forecast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark season in American history the summer of nineteen sixty nine for three weeks. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. The Kennedy Family has had its fair share of tragedies both John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert F Kennedy died in assassinations their brother Ted Kennedy wasn't Russian without controversy in nineteen sixty nine. He was in a single vehicle car accident on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. A female passenger was killed but could Kennedy have saved her life. Listen to conspiracy the theories to hear about this possible Kennedy family cover up to hear all of the fascinating summer of nineteen sixty nine episodes search for and subscribe to summer of nineteen sixty nine on spotify or anywhere else you listen to park cash shows news and don't forget to tune into conspiracy theories to hear about what really happened with Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick now back to the story as Martin Luther King Junior was preaching being peace and equality in nineteen sixty eight James Earl Ray was planning to kill him even to this day it's unclear when or why James Earl Ray decided to assassinate king with no history of murder or attempted murder or any close ties to white supremacists movements his motive remains a mystery. It's precisely because of that lack of clear motive that many conspiracy theorists believe ray might a bit of another group like the F._B._i.. Whatever his reasons on March Twenty Ninth Nineteen Sixty Eight Ray drove to Birmingham Alabama and bought a Remington game master to forty three caliber hunting shooting rifle he purchased the gun under one of his aliases Harvey Low Meyer and paid in cash the next day Raewyn back in exchange the gun for an even more powerful Remington game master seven sixty the new rifle fired a heavier deadlier bullet and it's pump action feature allowed the shooter to fire multiple rounds faster and without looking away from the scope on April first the newspapers reported that Martin Luther King in junior would soon be in Memphis Tennessee with his new rifle in tow ray left for Memphis late the next night he arrived in Memphis on April third and checked into the new rebel motor hotel using another one of his aliases Eric S. Galt? When King arrived in Memphis on April third he went straight to the lorraine motel his favorite place to stay in town? It was a rainy windy day and he had to prepare to rally a crowd in the miserable weather that night he arrived at the Mason Temple to give the last speech he would ever make King's words were moving memorable and darkly prescient. We got some difficult days ahead what it really doesn't matter with me now because I've been to the mountaintop Kennedy Body. I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place but I'm not concerned about that. Now I just want to do God's will see the promised land. I may not get there with you. Walk through the northern night. We have people get to the promised in the next day James Earl Ray check the newspaper and found photographs of king coming and going from his hotel room. He now knew exactly where king was staying including his room number number. The only entrance to kings room was via a balcony which meant he would be exposed every time he entered or exited his room. It was the perfect place to strike April. Fourth nineteen eighteen sixty eight began as a quiet day for Martin Luther King he didn't have any speeches or interviews scheduled that day but hope to hold the march on the coming Monday April eighth a judge had placed an injunction against the march and for for much of the day king waited for news from his colleague who was at the courthouse attempting to get the injunction lifted at three PM ray checked out of his room at the new rebel motor hotel and relocated to Bessie Breuer's rooming house us directly across the street from King's room at the Lorraine Motel the first room he was shown into didn't face the Lorraine Ray rejected the room and insisted on seeing another the next room had a clear unobstructed in view of kings balcony but at an angle that would be difficult for aiming a gun but ray couldn't push his luck any further. He accepted the room and checked in under the name John Willard raise room didn't have its own bathroom bathroom instead he had access to a restroom down the hall that was shared with the other rooms on the floor. When ray went to the bathroom? He realized that if he stood in the bathtub the restroom window gave him a direct line to the exterior balcony of King's room across the street gray couldn't spend all day in the bathroom. Another guest would notice his extended occupancy and complain instead he would stay in his room watching King's room from his own window. When he saw king come or leave he would grab his gun and run down the hallway to the bathroom if the bathroom was unoccupied and if king hadn't already moved out of range by then Ray would act immediately immediately for the rest of the afternoon king took phone calls and meetings in his room until five fifty pm when his associated arrived and announced that the judge had lifted the injunction the march could go on as planned for a short while King celebrated the good news with his friends and colleagues king had plans to join another minister for dinner that night but he was running late due to all the meetings and phone calls? He'd had to make that afternoon even once king was ready to go his friend Ralph Abernathy said he needed a little more time finally at six o one P._M.. Kings patients was waning he offered to give Abernathy has privacy. And stepped outside to wait across the street James Earl Ray saw king emerged from his room and stand out on the balcony in full view gun in hand ray ran from his room to the bathroom he locked the door and stepped into the bathtub out on the balcony king joked with abernathy and other members of his entourage inside. Even though they were running late he was in a good mood he looked down to greet a friend passing on the street below inside the hotel room abernathy heard what he thought sounded like a car backfiring he glanced out the door king lay sprawled on the ground. The sound wasn't a car it was a single fatal gunshot abernathy ran to his friend side horrified by how much blood already pulled around him abernethy held king in his arms and tried to comfort him as see faded from consciousness he repeated. It's all right. Don't worry this is Ralph. This is Ralph across the street. Ray fled bessie Breuer's rooming house numerous witnesses saw him running from the scene of the crime with what appeared to be a gun wrapped in a blanket that gun was both bulky and incriminating ray decided to ditch the evidence leaving it on the street corner in plain sight free of the weapon. Dan Rae rush to his white Mustang and sped away at six ten PM less than ten minutes after king was shot an ambulance arrived at the Lorraine Motel. Just four minutes later the ambulance delivered king to Saint Joseph's hospital. He was unconscious but still alive the emergency room doctors rushed him into surgery but the damage from the gunshot was too severe at seven Oh five P._M.. He was pronounced dead immediately. After the shooting. The Lorraine Motel became a major crime scene. Police and detectives swarmed the area gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses they soon learned about the man who'd been spotted fleeing the rooming house and driving away in a white Mustang police found the abandoned gun sixteen pm mere minutes after their arrival when they checked purchase records they they found the name Ray had used to purchase the weapon Harvey Low Meyer with that name in hand the F._B._I.. Began what was at that time the most expensive man hunt in United States history soon they learned the the name of the man who had rented the room at Bessie Breuer's rooming house John Willard at that point the F._B._I.. Thought that Willard and low Meyer were separate individuals and King had been the victim of a conspiracy while the F._b._i.. Search for the Elusive Killers James Earl Ray kept driving. He didn't stop until he reached Atlanta the next morning April fifth at six A._M.. The drive took longer than it normally would have because ray took sidestreets and drove under the speed limit in an effort to avoid notice he abandoned his white Mustang in Atlanta from there he travelled via bus and train crossing national borders to reach Toronto Canada on either April sixth or April eighth while in Canada Ray operated under yet another alias Paul Bridgeman for several weeks he remained in Toronto trying to acquire a passport under his false name. Unfortunately for Ray the real Paul Bridgman had requested a passport recently which led to a delay ray finally received his false passport in mid April and on April Sixteenth Ray as Bridgeman Japan purchased round-trip airplane tickets to London he had no intention of coming back but around trip ticket was cheaper than a single flight just days later on April nineteenth the F._B._I.. was able to match the numerous his fingerprints left at the scene of King's murder to James Earl Ray's prison records. They realized low Myron Galt were both aliases of the same individual days after making this discovery the F._B._i.. Put out recall for James. Earl Ray's arrest it was too late. Rae was already in Toronto and on May sixth. He boarded his flight to London. He was officially off the continent. After arriving in London. Ray didn't even leave the airports he immediately bought a new pair of round trip tickets to Lisbon Portugal. He stayed in Portugal ten days then returned to London Ray. He was afraid to stay in one country too long but he needed time to come up with the money for a ticket to his preferred destination Rhodesia Rhodesia located in what is now Zimbabwe was an African nation where the white-minority ruled over the majority black population. It was considered a haven for white supremacists in addition. Rhodesia didn't have an extradition treaty with the United States. Even if you US investigators the gators were able to trace ray there. They'd have no way of forcing him to come home but London to Rhodesia was a long flight and tickets were expensive on June. Fourth Ray Fund raised the only way he knew how rubbing a London Bank unfortunately he only netted the equivalent of two hundred forty dollars not enough to get to Rhodesia even worse police investigating the bank robbery were able to recover Ray's fingerprints and and match them to the manhunt in the United States Soon Scotland Yard and the F._B._i.. Both knew that James Earl Ray was in London after the failed robbery ray knew he couldn't stay in London long so on June seventh. He bought a ticket to Brussels Belgium. He used the alias Ramon George snead unaware that Scotland Yard had already determined that false identity as belonging to him on the next morning June eighth ray arrived at the airport for his flight to Brussels when he tried to pass through customs the official notice that ray had two passports in his wallet finding that suspicious the Customs Officer asked Ray to show him his second passports ray justified the second passport by claiming he'd ordered a replacement after his name was misspelled on the original. This was true due to raise poor handwriting he'd been issued a passport under the name Ramon Snia and another for ramones nayed the customs official accepted this explanation and let ray through however a Scotland Yard policemen stationed at the airport <unk> over heard the exchange and wasn't satisfied with raise explanation he asked to search ray and found that he was carrying a concealed pistol ray was arrested and soon fingerprinting revealed him to be an extremely namely wanted man after nearly two months on the run ray was on his way back to the United States in handcuffs he would stand trial for the murder of Dr Martin Luther King Junior and his guilty plea. We would only make the assassination more complicated coming up next we'll discuss James Earl Ray's guilty plea at the start of his trial and the fallout when he recanted a few days later now back to the story on March Tenth Nineteen sixty-nine James Earl Ray entered a courtroom in Memphis Tennessee ray had been held. In solitary confinement since his arrest nine months earlier and that day as he stepped into a crowded courtroom he saw more people than he'd laid eyes on in months. When the judge asked Rafer his plea ray reply a bit he was guilty? The judge wasn't surprised but still needed to confirm that ray understood what he was doing on the record. The judge asked Ray if he felt he'd been coerced if he understood that he'd be sentenced based based on his plea and if he truly had killed Martin Luther King Junior raise answers were consistent he was guilty and stood by his plea by offering a guilty plea. James Earl Ray ended his trial L. before it could even begin in exchange he wouldn't face the death penalty however this also meant that prosecutors and defense couldn't offer evidence and the public would never hear the full cases for for or against Ray on the basis of race plea. The judge sentenced him to ninety nine years in prison since ray was already forty one years old. This was effectively a life sentence to this day. James Earl Ray has never undergone a full trial. This is particularly important in light of raise surprising actions three days after he offered his guilty plea on March Thirteenth Ray began to dispute the facts facts of the case that he'd already pled guilty to he announced that he wasn't kings killer he'd been set up and had pled guilty due to the bad advice of his lawyer. According to this new story while Ray was traveling in between Mexico and the U._S.. In nineteen sixty seven he'd been approached by a man named roll roll was a member of a conspiracy possibly operating under the direction of the F._B._i.. Or a white supremacist assist hate group committed to killing Dr Martin Luther King Junior according to Ray role had given him instructions that in hindsight were designed to set him up as a patsy he bought the gun on rules instruction he'd checked into Bessie Breuer's rooming house because Raul had told him to at the time of King's assassination ray had been on the other side of the city having his car repaired while the real assassin fired the rifle Rahab pled guilty to a crime he didn't commit because he wanted to avoid the death penalty and now that he'd been sentenced he was ready to tell the truth. Raise pronouncement proved divisive to some like King's widow. Oh Coretta Scott King the new story seemed utterly convincing. She remembered that king had been targeted by white supremacist groups and the F._B._i.. Throughout his life to others raise story seemed suspicious of of course he would renounce his guilty plea while facing the possibility of life in prison within weeks. Journalists and police began to investigate raise claims it proved a difficult task during his imprisonment Ray identified over twenty different individuals as the mysterious Raul including Louisiana State Trooper Raul 's gavel and Baton Rouge Deputy Herman Thompson all of the accused men were able to provide alibis for the days and Times Ray Ray claim to meet with them. Many people resolve that Sh- Rahul didn't actually exist however ray was never given a trial after his initial guilty plea the question of how strong the evidence against Tim was has been up for debate for the half century since King's death guilty or innocent ray was unwilling to spend the remainder of his life in prison he attempted to escape from brushing mountain prison in Nashville Tennessee see twice before he finally breached the walls on his third. Try On June tenth nineteen seventy seven after eight years behind bars ray led a band of six other convicts into the Prison Yard during evening recreation time the later latter they'd fashioned out of wire against the fence climbed over and escaped guards immediately spotted the inmates and opened fire. One escapee was injured but ray and five others successfully escaped for days Tennessee police searched for ray and the other convicts they used bloodhounds to sniff out the trail and by early the next week ray and all the other escapees were found and returned turned to prison raise. Only hope of getting out for good was a new trial in one thousand nine hundred seventy five a series of leaks in scandals revealed abuses of power within the F._B._i.. And C._I._A.. Including think the F._B._I.'s harassment of Dr King as public distrust of the government eroded in one thousand nine hundred seventy six the U._S. House Committee on assassinations opened an investigation into the assassinations of President John F Kennedy and Martin Luther King Junior in Nineteen seventy eight James Earl Ray testified before the house committee he repeated his story about Raul and continued to claim his own innocence after a year of hearing testimony testimony and gathering evidence the U._S.. House Committee on assassinations revealed their findings there was no evidence that Raul existed but they did find compelling evidence of a larger conspiracy to assassinate Martin Martin Luther King Junior the Committee cited raises sudden shift to political activity in nineteen sixty seven and his inexplicable trip to New Orleans the same year both of which suggested he may have been recruited into a conspiracy around at this time additionally they found that raise purchase of a gun subsequent return and purchase of a more powerful rifle was evidence that someone had advised him on which weapon to purchase most compelling of all however over the committee closely tracked raise income and spending from the day of his escape from Missouri State Penitentiary in nineteen sixty seven until his arrest in June of nineteen sixty eight during that year Rayo only reported six hundred sixty four dollars and thirty four cents in income from legitimate work but he spent roughly nine thousand dollars worth close to seventy thousand dollars today adjusting for inflation. Even the most logical explanation was that the rest of his money was earned through criminal activity and given raise relatively unsuccessful record as a petty thief and burglar it was hard to believe he made that kind of money any on his own the committee concluded that Ray was most likely involved in a larger criminal enterprise. Perhaps one that had hired him to kill Martin Luther King the committee's fines caused a stir but they weren't aren't the same thing as a retrial. Their findings had no bearing on raise prison sentence almost two decades after the House Committee released their findings ray found an unexpected ally on March twenty twenty eight thousand nine hundred ninety seven Martin Luther King Junior's youngest son Dexter King visited Ray in prison during this meeting Dexter asked ray about the assassination are just want to ask you for the record record. Did you kill my father rather amazing meeting. Here's a man who's accused of killing Martin Luther King Junior in Memphis in nineteen sixty eight sitting down with this man son and at the conclusion of the meeting Dexter Extra King is saying I believe in my family believes that this man is innocent. After this meeting Dexter King served as a champion for James Earl Ray's case the younger king was instrumental in advocating for a retrial and giving giving ray the opportunity to clear his name it shocked the civil rights community to see Dexter King advocating for the man who had confessed to killing his father in the fall of Nineteen ninety-seven Ray and his lawyer finally. Finally received a ruling that the Tennessee Criminal Court of Appeals would hear his case unfortunately raise youth spent heavily drinking had caught up with him he suffered from cirrhosis and was too sick to stand trial while his lawyer William Pepper explained the situation to the press in nineteen ninety eight. He's dying. We we've been unsuccessful thus far in raising the funds for a liver transplant at <hes> it. It doesn't look very good if he dies of course the repetition dies with him and <hes> he came out of a coma recently and had holding his own but he doesn't have a great deal of time to to live on April Twenty Third Nineteen Ninety eight James James Earl Ray succumbed to liver disease. He was seventy years old. He never had the opportunity to see his case retried ray died of kidney failure and liver disease complications while serving a ninety nine year prison term. I'm for killing King while Ray confessed following the nineteen sixty eight assassination. He recanted shortly after but ray never got the trial that he'd sought for years. The King Family believes Ray was innocent other civil rights leaders have their doubts including the Reverend Jesse Jackson do hope that our government will leave no stone unturned the Justice Department says it will continue its review of the king assassination despite the death of his confessed killer now that the accused and confessed assassin was deceased ceased there was no reason for the government to pursue a retrial but to this day a lot of debate still swirls about whether James Earl Ray really acted alone when he killed Dr King although King's King's life was cut short his legacy lived on after him a week after his death on April Eleventh Nineteen Sixty eight president Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty eight into law after his death breath king's widow Coretta Scott King became a new spokesperson for racial equality as did kings friend Ralph Abernathy who had been an advisor prior to King's death as King's children matured into to adulthood they to assumed his mantle in the years and decades after King's death. The controversial political leader became a national hero. This is partially due to changing attitudes about civil rights and racial equality quality but also because kings premature death turned him into a martyr he became remembered primarily for his non-violent policies and famous speeches while his more controversial attitudes were played down as as political scientist Jean. Theo Harris explained quote what a martyred king allows is to sand off. What makes us uncomfortable have him be the dream guy it places him safely in the distant past Martin Martin Luther King Junior was only thirty nine years old when he died? If he hadn't been assassinated he could have lived to see his ninetieth birthday in January two thousand nineteen. If James Earl Ray hadn't shot king the course of the following decades might have been very different after achieving prominence as an advocate for racial equality king began to turn to other issues like anti war and Economic Rights Advocacy Advocacy today King is known as a great fighter for black rights but if he'd had more time to fight for his other key issues we might also remember him as an advocate for peace or workers rights just a few months before his death king announced he wanted to launch a poor people's campaign and he planned to stage a march and issue an economic bill of rights in May of nineteen sixty eight. He died before he could see see these plans through but had he survived he may have pushed for the same level of economic reforms that he'd already achieved on racial equality issues on the civil rights front king's death served as a flash point in the movement. The night of his death riots broke out in cities throughout the United States. The National Guard had to intervene in Wilmington Delaware and guardsmen continued to occupy the city for a full year after the riots concluded however the same night king died Bob more of the student nonviolent Coordinating Committee noted that the group published fifty thousand fliers using King's assassination as a call to peaceful action an organization Asian in death king became a symbol both for nonviolent protesters as well as for more militant movements. We can't ignore how controversial king was during his life in nineteen sixty six polls. It's revealed that twice as many people disapproved of king as admired him but by the nineteen nineties king was an uncontroversial and widely admired figure as we noted changing attitudes on racial equality played a part in this shift but if king had never been assassinated he wouldn't have been venerated as a martyr instead he may have continued to be perceived by many as controversial confrontational and discomforting. It's possible that like his fellow Civil Rights Activists Jesse Jackson Dr King may have at some point run for the presidency. It's debatable whether he would have been able to secure a major party's nomination nation or even a win but a Martin Luther King Junior presidency would certainly have changed the shape of American politics and policy. It's important to remember that King didn't work alone while he was alive. He collaborated raided closely with other civil rights activists who continued his work after he died while it may be tempting to imagine that king would have single handedly changed the course of racial politics in the United States. It's likely that he would have continued continue to face the same challenges and roadblocks that Coretta Scott King and Ralph Abernathy grappled with after his death when he died his colleagues lost an important voice but continued their fight and that fight continues to this day while Martin Luther King may be gone his ideals continue to live on in the ongoing battles for racial and economic equality aw thanks again for tuning into our assassinations summer of sixty nine special. If you enjoyed this episode checkout podcasts continued retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of assassinations next week. 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1972, McGovern vs. Nixon: Failure Comes Easy At Times Like This

American Elections: Wicked Game

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1972, McGovern vs. Nixon: Failure Comes Easy At Times Like This

"It's Friday August twenty third nineteen, sixty eight at the Civic Center Plaza in Chicago Illinois. Members of the youth political party or Yippies has call have gathered in downtown Chicago for a week of demonstrations leading up to the nineteen sixty eight democratic national convention. The hippies have come to protest the Vietnam War and the democratic establishment moderate Democratic Party leaders have been pushing the candidacy of Vice President Hubert. Humphrey. But the Yippies have gathered here in Civic Center. Plaza. To put forward a candidate of their own. Crowd. Cheers as Jerry Rubin the leader of the stands by the Picasso Sculpture and Civic Center Plaza and Makes Speech Ladies and gentlemen and everyone in between I'm an announcement to make. We'll stop interrupting and I'll tell you. As you all know we're gathered here to protest a criminal immoral occupation of Vietnam by the American war machine. We're here to protest that same machine salt on our black brothers and sisters here at home. As you also know there's something else very important happening this week cub plane the Astros tonight. Yes. Yeah. Very important but not that I'm sure you're all aware of a little thing called the Democratic national. Convention. This coming week the Democratic Party's going to choose their nominee for this year's election. That's why we've got all these police around downtown to make sure nobody on the outside pulls any funny business. Well. If funny business is what they're worried about funny businesses, what they're going to get. With a grand gesture Ruben steps over to the side as a small group of his fellow Yippies make their way through the crowd ladies gentlemen. I hereby nominate says J. Pig. Small Group unveils a large black and brown pig and holds them up for the crowd to see Mr Pigs platform includes an end to the Vietnam War and he promises that. Should he win the presidency? He'll be eaten, which is the opposite of the usual state of affairs in which the winner eats the people. And Then moving pulls out a folded piece of paper a now to read some opening remarks for Mr. Pig. I Pegasus hereby announce my candidacy for the presidency of the United States. But before Ruben can finished the speech. Uniform police officer suddenly burst onto the scene. Crowd shouts foods as the officers grabbed Rubin and his compatriots. Toss them in the back of a police van. Pegasus. squeals as two officers, hoist them up, carry him to the back of the van where the fleas captain is waiting. What should we do with pig Sir ruin calls off in the back of Pani way a hard captain. You wouldn't arrest one of your own. Would you shot it? Ruben Chicago PD had just about enough you long ears boys throw the pig in with him yes sir. You're all going to jail. You can thank you friend here because he squeal. Pegasus? J. Pig did not receive the Democratic nomination neither did the other antiwar candidate Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota instead the nomination went to Vice President Hubert Humphrey this angered the young and politically radical members of the Democratic Party for one thing. Humphries Platform meant the continuation of the Vietnam War and for another unlike Senator McCarthy Vice President Humphrey had barely campaigned his nomination was shoved through by party bosses not the People Yippies nomination of Pegasus August twenty third was a peaceful protest, an act of political theater but in the days leading up to the nineteen sixty. Eight convention thousands of anti-war protesters, police, officers, and national guardsmen flooded the streets tear gas was deployed innocent bystanders injured. One young man was shot to death by the police protesters were assaulted and arrested in Dros and the nineteen sixty eight democratic national convention would culminate in a night of televised police on protesters violence in downtown, Chicago, during the so called Battle of Michigan Avenue over five hundred protesters were arrested one hundred protesters and one hundred nineteen police officers were injured. The violence streets reflected a growing rift inside the Democratic Party between its radical and establishment wings. And in the nineteen seventy-two contest that rift would again rewritten. Wicky game is sponsored by better help between the pandemic, the protests and the politics. This is a fraud moment in history. It could easily be a time for anxiety depression all while our normal support networks are at a distance. 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I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked game. For the Democrats and for the nation, the nineteen sixties were a difficult decade riddled with tension and tragedy President Kennedy was assassinated in sixty three, his brother Bobby. Kennedy was assassinated during the Democratic primary of nineteen sixty eight. The Cold War was still in full swing and turned red hot and Vietnam. Where over fifty thousand American troops would die in combat. The civil rights movement was left leaderless to just a month before Bobby Kennedy's assassination the Reverend Dr Martin. Luther King Junior was assassinated as well in Memphis, Tennessee after the tumultuous year of nine, hundred, sixty, eight, the Democratic Party was in shambles. In the face of widespread antiwar protests. President Johnson decided not to run in the nineteen sixty eight contest, his vice president Hubert. Humphrey won the Democratic nomination even though the antiwar Democrat Eugene, McCarthy had more popular support inside the party. The lack of enthusiasm for Humphrey was on full display in the nineteen sixty eight general election Humphrey lost to Republican Richard Nixon electoral landslide. The bad blood between the moderate and liberal wings of the Democratic Party would lead the DNC to create the McGovern Fraser Commission formerly known as the commission structure and delegate selection. This commission would result in a new ostensibly more democratic set of rules for the nomination process. Prior to nineteen sixty, eight presidential nominees were chosen by a combination of a small number of state primaries and large delegate selection process at the National Convention was starting in Nineteen Seventy two. The new rules for delegate selection put more weight on the primary process and effectively made the national convention a coronation. The beefed up primary system would take power away from the party bosses. The mayor's union leaders, local state officials, and give it to the people in the nineteen seventy two contests for the first time in American history the nominee of a major party would be decided in what President Richard Nixon called the fire of the primaries. These new rules created by the McGovern Fraser. Commission would spark a grassroots movement behind the candidacy of a Liberal Democrat for whom the commission was partially named South. Dakota Senator George McGovern. Like Eugene McCarthy in nineteen, Sixty, eight McGovern would run and seventy two on ending the Vietnam. War. But the Democratic Party bosses would not accept McGovern without a fight throughout the nineteen seventy, two campaign McGovern would find himself caught in the political machinery of both major parties. This is episode forty, seven, nineteen, seventy-two, McGovern versus Nixon failure comes easy at times like this. It's July nineteen sixty nine on Chappaquiddick island Egger town Massachusetts. Least chief dominant Jim Arena Fox's cruiser on the side of the road next to the bulkhead of dykes bridge. Cheese been called to the scene of an automobile accident. Last night a car reportedly went off the side of the bridge crash into the pond below chief arena approaches to young fishermen, young man and a high school kid who stand on the side of the bridge and cast Iran's. Chief calls out to them their car over there. On the other side. As the boy points in the opposite direction chief looks out over the water and finds what he's looking for the rear tires of automobile. Peaking of just over the surface of the water as the chief takes in the scene is is followed. The scuff marks that show the cars path from the road through the catalog barriers and into the pond below and chief see something else to a woman standing near the edge of the water she wakes up at him you ways back before making his way down low. Key arena misses mom I spoke to your colleagues on the phone I've just down the way. Earlier that morning when the two fishermen spotted the car sticking out of water they knocked on Mrs. Mom's door to let her know misses mom immediately called the police. Now you didn't see anything last night correct no chief I heard a car passed by the house though and what time was that round midnight. It was going faster than normal for that bridge. Did you hear the car hit the water? No Sir The chief looks at the car. Then up at the boys fishing bridge then back misses mom do you live here alone? Man No chief I live with my husband. This is an odd question but. But does he have a bathing suit I can bar Short. He's about your size come with me. After changing inter- Mrs Mom's husband's trunks chief wades out into the water I he notices the strength to the current. Then he notices the steep drop off at the edge of the bank. To get to the car, he'll have to dive in he calls onto the two young fishermen above. Boys. Do you do I? You happen to have a mask I can use On. They put up. The kid runs down from the bridge climbs into a punt Bo-, each on the shore and produces a face mask. To the chief. Here you go. Thank you. Now wish me luck. Chief arena way out to the edge of the bank. He takes a deep breath. Dive into the water. Chief arena fought his way through the strong current to get to the front seat of the submerged car. No sooner had he reached it and he was forced to come up for air when backup finally arrived the chiefs team a proper dive with scuba equipment the driver's seat of the car was empty. But in the passenger seat was the body of drowned woman, a subsequent investigation would reveal that the woman Mary Jo Kopechne was a former staffer for the nineteen sixty, eight presidential campaign of the late Bobby Kennedy. But the most startling discovery may chief arena was at the overturned car was registered to Bobby's brother Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy. Further investigation revealed the Kennedy was driving drunk with capacity in the passenger seat. Kennedy made a wrong turn onto a dirt road leading to a one way bridge his car skidded off the bridge and into the Pond Kennedy claimed that he tried to rescue capacity but was unsuccessful. Kennedy pleaded guilty to fleeing from the scene of an accident he got off light with a suspended jail sentence. But the nearly constant media coverage of the event ultimately influenced his decision not to run for president in nineteen seventy two Kennedy was perhaps the Democratic Establishment candidate of choice. But the chappaquiddick incident as it came to be called made, Kennedy's candidacy all but impossible. Kennedy's absence from the race made room for a host of well-qualified Democratic Hopefuls Maine Senator Ed Muskie, former vice, president Hubert Humphrey again and New York congresswoman Shirley Chisholm the first black woman elected to Congress among others. But out of the crowded field, the breakout star of the primaries was arguably the Liberal Antiwar Senator from South Dakota George McGovern. McGovern was a quiet man, a scholar while serving as a pilot during the Second World War. He had resolved that if he survived, he would go on to become a history professor. He earned his doctorate in history while performing ministerial work in the methodist. Tradition. By nineteen seventy-two Senator McGovern was staunchly Anti War. His position on Vietnam had evolved over the years. McGovern had voted for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which allowed President Johnson to deploy conventional military force in Southeast Asia without a formal declaration of war. But as time went on, he grew vocal in his opposition to the war he drafted the McGovern Hatfield amendment. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety attached to an appropriations bill, which was informally called the amendment and the war McGovern said on the Senate floor it does not take any courage at all for a congressman who are senator or a president to wrap himself in the flag and say we are staying in Vietnam because it is not our blood is being shed. But the McGovern Hatfield Amendment was defeated as a result McGovern became convinced that the best way to end the war would be from inside the White House but his candidacy was a shot with Ted Kennedy out of the race. The democratic establishment had someone else in mind Maine Senator Ed Muskie. Conventional Wisdom held that Senator Muskie was the natural choice for the Democratic nomination. He had been former Vice President Hubert. Humphrey's running mate in the nineteen, sixty eight election and like Humphrey muskie occupied the center lane of the Party. He had established himself as a season statesman one who can reach across the aisle and work with the Republican. Party. But. There were questions surrounding his position on the Vietnam War at the nineteen sixty eight Democratic convention muskie had actively defended. President. Johnson's position on the war, which was one of continued American presence in the region muskie's defensive Johnson's policy sparked outrage both from the public and from his liberal antiwar colleagues within the party. So despite Muskie's later opposition to the war, the memory of the nineteen sixty eight convention still dogged him hours after Muskie announced his nineteen seventy-two candidacy Eugene McCarthy the leading anti war candidate and sixty eight announced that he would hold muskie to a measure of personal responsibility for supporting Johnson's Vietnam policy at the sixty eight convention. In January of Nineteen seventy-two, Muskie, held a press conference announcing. He would gladly answer not only for the things I did right before the mistakes that I also acknowledge muskie hope to carve out a very specific position, the practical antiwar, candid, a sensible moderate, democrat, who could beat Nixon without resorting to radicalism. At the outset of the race, it seemed Muskie's message was hitting home. The first primary contest came on January twenty fourth nineteen seventy-two with our caucus. The moderate Muskie came in I. The liberal George McGovern was close on his heels though to win the second contest in New Hampshire and solidify his status as the front runner muskie needed to win big and indeed he was projected to take New Hampshire and landslide, but his goals in the granite state where nearly thwarted by media quagmire. The Manchester Union leader was New Hampshire's largest and most influential newspaper. It was run by conservative editor William Loeb the third lobe was a leading conservative voice knee often use the union leader as a platform to attack is. Apartment. On February Twenty Fourth Nineteen Seventy two, the union leader pushed a letter from a man named Paul Morrison who claimed to have met Muskie and an event in Florida. Muskie was a Maine Senator and main was a very white state according to Morrison when Muskie was asked on the campaign trail how he could relate to the problems of black Americans. One of Muskie's aides responded with a crew joke not blacks but we have connects. Conduct was an offensive term for Americans of French, Canadian descent. Joke was also insensitive to black Americans allegedly upon hearing his staffers flip joke senator. muskie laughed the Union. Leader. Story had the potential to tarnish muskie's image as a dignified moderate who could counter Nixon's divisive rhetoric and could hurt Muskie's chances among New Hampshire's sizable. French? Canadian community. Soon after the Union Leader doubled down publishing an attack on Muskie's wife Jane. Grey Muskie. The union leader claimed that while on the campaign tour, Jane drink and smoke to excess that she used foul language and frequently told off color jokes on February twenty six Muskie delivered a public address condemning William Loeb attacking me. Attacking, my wife. Is proved himself to be gutless colleague. I hope. The people of Manchester. Hind away to say that they don't like his kind of journalism here in New Hampshire that they say it in a way that they can make it stick. That's only way he'll understand that here in northern. We respect each. That's something I don't extend to him. Muskie was visibly overcome as he defended his wife chain while he spoke, he wipes something from under his eye and what would become campaign legend. The Washington Post reported the Muskie condemned lobes attacks with tears, streaming down his face and his voice Charleston with emotion muskie denied he was crying he insisted that he was wiping melted snow from his face, but it didn't matter the press amplified the Washington Post story foreign wide the crying speech as a came to be known all. But derail Muskie's campaign even projected to win New Hampshire in a landslide. Instead he eked out the narrowest victory again McGovern was close on his heels. The. New. Hampshire primary was the beginning of the end for Senator Ed Muskie after a string of crushing losses he would eventually drop out on April twenty-seventh but moderate Democrats who might have supported Muskie did not flocked to the candidacy of George McGovern. Many to the same end the Democrats had put forth in nineteen sixty, eight former vice president Hubert Humphrey. In might be said that humphries experience serving as President Johnson's vice president was both his biggest asset and biggest liability humphries. Moderate approach to politics still had appeal with many urban working class voters, what his connection to LBJ and by extension the Vietnam War angered many liberals, humphries entrance into the race only serve to push. Liberal Democrats even further into the McGovern camp. The McGovern campaign was in a sense, a political movement and grassroots effort backed by an army of thousands of young enthusiastic volunteers, mobilizing all around the country. These Liberal Democrats were largely students and suburban voters and they flocked to the McGovern campaign droves but to win the Democratic nomination and top Hubert. Humphrey a governor needed to win over the core of Humphrey supporters blue collar workers. In the Wisconsin primary two weeks after Florida the McGovern campaign modified it strategy and zeroed in on Humphries base a government his army of supporters canvas the state going door to door and making their pitch to the workers of Wisconsin. Hubert Humphrey was business as usual in Washington. McGovern. Was the candidate of the American worker. Change Messaging had an immediate impact. Despite predictions that Humphrey would run away with the Wisconsin contest McGovern beat him by almost ten percentage points after Wisconsin McGovern's paths the nomination seemed not only possible but likely. He had already overtaken one moderate cannon and looked poised to take down another. What in the final stretch of the nineteen, seventy, two primary with muskie out and Humphrey on the ropes. The Democratic Party machine would not go down without a fight. Wicked game is sponsored by upstart like most of you have credit cards like most of you I leaned on them a little too much in the past sometimes carelessly and sometimes because things got tight and like most of you I realized paying them off his really hard especially with high interest rates. So I-, consolidated it was not that easy being in the pre dawn of the Internet. But it made sense make one payment instead of many all at a lower interest rate. If I were doing it today, I'd head to start dot com they use your education and job history not just your credit score to get you a smarter rate ply for a loan online up to fifty thousand dollars and in minutes you'll get your smarter rate no hit on your credit score if a proven accepted, you could get funds the. Very Next Business Day. 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Could be convinced. McGovern was too liberal. They might ban McGovern and back Humphrey. In April of Nineteen seventy-two in the run-up to the Nebraska primary, an unnamed Democratic senator anonymously told a member of the press. The people don't know McGovern is for Amnesty abortion and the legalization of pot. This explosive quote was published by Robert Novak, a noted conservative journalist and McGovern critic, the spread quickly and like a game of telephone the phrase morphed along the way if elected or so the line went the radically liberal George McGovern with acid amnesty abortion the phrase would stick around throughout the entire election and we'll take on many different forms based on mcgovern staunch opposition to the Vietnam war acid amnesty abortion eventually became acid amnesty and appeasement. The quote was, of course, a mischaracterization of McGovern's position McGovern had supported amnesty for citizens who had dodged the Vietnam draft. He did not support the legalization of marijuana only it's decriminalization and he wasn't exactly pro choice either McGovern thought abortion was an issue best left to the individual states still the criticism that McGovern was too liberal seemed to stick and made the McGovern campaign. Nervous. So nervous in fact that on May ninth the day of the Nebraska. Primary the McGovern campaign tried to mount a defense at a campaign event in Omaha former Nebraska. Governor McGovern supporter Frank Morrison attempted to ease the people's fears and break down the nuance of McGovern's positions. He told the crowd they say that George McGovern is for the legalization of marijuana but I say Morrison didn't get to finish his sentence pawn hearing the phrase legalization of marijuana. The crowd went wild with cheers and applause. When Morrison had a chance to speak again, he tried to clarify I tell you that George McGovern does not advocate the legalization of marijuana at this. The crowd was audibly disappointed but the governor continued they say George McGovern is for abortion on demand but I tell you. And again, the crowd burst into applause Morrison tried to press forward saying but I say to you that George McGovern is against tampering with our state laws on abortion. Again, the crowd was audibly disappointed after the rally Morrison said to McGovern George maybe I'm too old to understand this new generation I'll get the old stirs for you and you take care of the young ones you think best. And so the Humphry campaigns plant paint McGovern as a radical liberal backfired Nebraska Democrats weren't turned off by McGovern's liberal views. In fact, it was just the opposite McGovern Wants Sixteen Nebraska's twenty two delegates. Humphry and the rest of the democratic establishment we're running out of options and running out of time but McGovern wasn't humphries only concern. There was another candidate in that race who gave motorists pause this conservative Democrat and run for president twice before as both a Democrat and independent politically he was to the right of both McGovern Humphry he was the segregationist former governor of Alabama George Wallace. Wallace had entered the nineteen seventy-two race early on in the Florida. Primary. Florida was largely pro segregation state and Wallace was the segregation candidate in nineteen sixty three wallace had famously declared that he was for segregation forever the Wallace eventually softened his rhetoric on segregation his official ax to grind in nineteen seventy two was the issue of busing. Even though the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four gave the federal government. The Authority to enforce desegregation schools across America were still unofficially racially segregated. One of the solutions to this problem was bussing a policy whereby children would ride buses to schools outside their immediate neighbourhoods. Children from majority black neighborhoods would attend schools and majority white neighborhoods, vice versa. Nineteen seventy-one Supreme Court ruling Swan Versus Charlotte Mecklenburg Board of Education held at busing was constitutional. Still. Many southerners argued the busing was an infringement on states' rights and a campaign event in Saint Petersburg. Florida in February nineteen seventy-two while also called that ruling senseless asinine atrocious. Who Do the children belong to? He asked not to the government but to the good citizens of Florida. Wallace's message and worked he had swept the primary with forty two percent of the vote and throughout the primaries wallace generally maintained a steady third place making him no small threat to Hubert Humphrey's prospects. If Wallace stole the southern vote from Humphry, you would only serve to help George McGovern. But in May of Nineteen, seventy two had a political rally in Maryland an act of violence would turn the three way primary into a two man race. It's May Fifteenth Nineteen seventy-two at a George Wallace campaign rally in Laurel, Maryland? To off duty police officers dressed in plainclothes walk through the parking lot of a local shopping centre as the two officers Steve Watkins and David Mitchell weave their way through the crown of peculiar looking man catches officer Michele's high. He's young thin with blond hair and a big grin on his face. He's dressed in red white and blue with sunglasses over his eyes and Wallace for President Buttons Pin to assert. When their eyes meet the man calls out to Mitchell anybody I've got a ton of Wallace buttons here you want to buy one. For me. Thanks just passing through you sure. This is a piece of history you're looking at. Wallace, is going to be the president of the United. States wouldn't wanNA. Miss out on that. Sorry. No I'm good. Wallace. Doesn't got. Lost? Powell. As the man continues hawking his buttons, Mitchell and Watkins continue walking. They find a place to stand about fifty feet from the stage. Wallace. Takes the stage to make a speech. Crowd goes wild. But David Mitchell is an interested in hearing what walls has to say, tell you what Steve these wallace people something else not a fan. nope can't get behind it. You look up racists in the dictionary. There's a picture of George. Wallace. He's proud of it you have. But what about your folks Dave while my grandfather hated everyone not me though I went to integrated school so I guess I don't see the problem with all the stuff. Wallace's crazy. David begrudgingly listens to Wallace speech. After he watches us the candidate steps off the stage makes his way down a receiving line shaking hands with his many fans in the crowd WanNa, shake his hand. GET OUT OF HERE But before the two officers have a chance to leave. Gunshots ring out. Without hesitation officer Mitchell pulls out his badge pins it to his jacket and runs into the crowd. I Mitchell sees George Wallace writhing in agony. Then he sees a swarm of Wallace supporters and police trying to get their hands on the shooter the peculiar man who tried to sell Mitchell a wallace button. The would be assassin brimmer have been living out of his car and following George Wallace since March rimmer kept a diary in which he announced his intention to kill either George Wallace or Richard Nixon brimmer ultimately decided that President Nixon's round the clock security detail was too much hurdle so he focused his attention on Wallace in a letter written decades later rimmer would rationalize his actions saying that shooting segregationist dinosaurs was not as bad as shooting mainstream politicians. Wallace survived the shooting but partially paralyzed, he would spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair. The shooting was the end of Wallace's nineteen, seventy, seventy-two campaign. But if moderate Democrats were hoping that Wallace's departure from the race would open up for Hubert Humphrey they would be sorely disappointed going into the California primary McGovern was in the lead with five hundred, sixty delegates humphry lag behind with three eleven California was a winner take all state. If Humphrey won the popular vote even by a small margin, he would win all of California's two, hundred, seventy, one delegates and take the lead. In the lead up to the California primary in June of Nineteen, seventy-two Humphrey McGovern traded blows in front of the press recalling Humphries failed attempt at winning the White House four years earlier McGovern said, the people of this country are tired of politics as usual and above all else they do not want a rerun of nineteen sixty eight humphry attacked McGovern's plans to trim the defense budget cut troop strength overseas and grant amnesty to draft evaders. McGovern and Humphry then faced off in a series of three televised head-to-head debates as the New York Times reported. Mr. Humphry attacked Mr McGovern's welfare programs and plans to cut the defense budget Mr McGovern attacked Mr Humphries assertion that the Minnesotan had opposed the war in Vietnam in terms similar to those of Mr McGovern. It was arguably the issue of Vietnam that decided the California primary in the debates. McGovern hit Humphry hard saying that as late as nineteen, sixty, seven, Senator Humphrey was saying Vietnam is our greatest adventure and a wonderful one. It is in the minds of many Americans. Humphry was tied to Vietnam into the failed policies of the Johnson Administration. McGovern by contrast proposed a new. Path forward advocating twenty three billion dollar reduction in the military's budget. He are here that the money the government was spending on the war was better spent on the domestic front McGovern one California taking all two hundred, seventy, one delegates that same month he won New Mexico South Dakota and New York the massive delegate hall knocked Humphry out and push McGovern over the top. At the nineteen seventy-two Democratic National Convention some Democratic Party insiders form to stop McGovern block but he was a limp effort the new rules and delegate selection meant that the bulk of the delicate were already declared and decided making the nineteen seventy-two Democratic convention. A fate accompli George McGovern won the Democratic nomination on the first ballot. In his acceptance speech McGovern Nixon's words against him. He as the unwitting unifier and the fundamental issue up this national campaign. and. All of us are going to help him redeem pledge. Made ten years ago that next year, you won't have Richard Nixon to kick around. Crown, flew to its feet and cheered McGovern promise that his presidency would be like his campaign open and fuelled by the people and he promised that he would bring an end to America's involvement in the Vietnam War. I am here as your candidate deny in large part because during four administrations of both parties, a terrible war has been charted behind closed doors. I want those doors open and I want that or quo. Ended his speech on a powerful theme that America had gone astray was lost in war and deception and financial recklessness and ruin that had had to come home come home. Permission that we have a dream come home to the conviction that we can move our country forward. Come home to the blade that we can save a newer world and let us be joyful in the homecoming. For this land is your laugh. This land is my land. From California to the New York, island from the Redwood forest to the Gulf stream waters. This land was made review at me. The new primary system was not the only big change in nineteen, seventy two the Democratic Party also adopted a convention quota for minority representation. The old party bosses would no longer be calling the shots alone the quota gave more of a voice to people of color. The party was changing and the nineteen seventy two democratic platform was a resounding endorsement of McGovern's liberalism the platform called for an end to the Vietnam war and demanded amnesty for citizens who dodged the draft you push for busing and desegregation it sought to ban the sale of handguns. The platform also championed the rights of Americans to make their own choices of lifestyles and private habits without being subject to discrimination Liberal Democrats galvanized many moderate and conservative Democrats were alarmed. They feared the platform was an endorsement of immorality drug use and sexual promiscuity, and they feared hand the election to incumbent Republican President Richard Nixon. To. Beat Nixon, McGovern needed to unite his party to do that. He needed to bring the moderates on board. The key would be selecting a vice president would unite the two factions. McGovern considered a multitude of options from Connecticut Senator, Abraham Ribicoff to Senator Ted. Kennedy. He even offered the job to Hubert Humphrey, but all turned him down. In the end McGovern's choice for VP was both strategic and ironic. Young Missouri Senator Thomas Eagleton had strong appeal with moderate voters. Catholic vocally anti-abortion US enough incomer in the democratic. Party. But Eagleton was also the anonymous senator, the quote abortion amnesty and legalization of Pot Eagleton political moderate was initially muskie supporter hoping to stop McGovern from winning the Nomination Eagleton had spoken to conservative journalist. Robert Novak on the condition of anonymity you would not be revealed that Eagleton was the source of the claim until two thousand seven shortly after his death had governor known Eagleton gave birth to the acid abortion and amnesty scandal he might have selected a different running. And he might have spared his candidacy a world trouble. After the Democratic convention McGovern took a week off to rest in South Dakota. During his short break a sudden revelation about Senator Eagleton's medical history put McGovern's campaign and immediate tangle just days after the convention Thomas Eagleton told the press he suffered from depression saying on three occasions in my life I have voluntarily gone into hospitals as a result of nervous exhaustion and fatigue. This admission was a problem from party insiders voters alike as Vice President Eagleton could end up with his finger on the nuclear button. The minds of many his depression made him unfit for the office and face of mounting pressure from many Democratic Party leaders Eagleton offered to step down publicly. McGovern. Stood by his vice presidential pick saying that he was one thousand percent behind him privately though McGovern was concerned. He soon began dropping hints that Eagleton might not be his running mate after all McGovern cryptically told The Washington Post that the matter needed proper period of consideration just under three weeks after he was selected as McGovern's running mate. Thomas Eagleton suddenly step down. He was replaced days later by Sargent Shriver the founder of the Peace Corps. In the eyes of many Americans McGovern, son reversal made him look indecisive amateurish and week Valdis unbefitting the Office of the presidency. Governs about-face spell disaster for his campaign. He gave his political enemies in the Republican. Party ammunition against him and a gave Richard Nixon an opportunity to strike. Is July twenty, eighth nineteen, seventy, seventy-two, the burning tree club house just outside of Washington DC. It's dusk. Nixon sits with two members of his Cabinet Treasury Secretary, George Shultz and secretary of State Bill Rodgers they've just played a round of golf with a very powerful Democrat George Meany, the Chairman of the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations as the sun sets the four men sit down for a drink and a cigar. For, Nixon and his secretaries this meeting, all business it's no secret George. Meany is not fond of George McGovern but Nixon, needs to know if he can count on the support of chairman meaning and his union. But. In this meeting Nixon hasn't had a chance to get a word in meany. The old democratic. Party boss is on a raw sermonizing on the election. EAGLED end should've told McGovern all about the electrotherapy earlier but McGovern handled it like a fool bath. Lame. From one side of the other makes them looking decisive week. There's no doubt. GonNa. The landslide. Nixon Listens Scholz for his way into the conversation bold prediction. George you really think. So who does McGowan got outside? Of Students Schultz this election is a battle between the old guard and the new politics, all these young people and antiwar longhairs McGovern's got workers me. He's got rank and file workers. That's what happened in Wisconsin Massachusetts Ohio to yes. I'm well aware quite obvious that there are divisions among the rank and file Mr. Scholz. Let them vote how they please? Sensing an opening, Nixon gets to the heart of the issue. Tell me George. How do the union men feel about voting Nixon Bobby Frank the disagree with some of Your Policies Dick. is in Labour's interest to remain neutral in the presidential race and concentrate on the Senate the house. But I'll tell you this much. We aren't going to pour money into McGovern's campaign. We'd rather throw it in the garbage. It's not exactly the assurance Nixon wants to hear, but it's better than nothing. At the end of the evening as everyone walks to their cars, meany slides up to Nixon clears his throat to speak. Want you to know right now that I'm not gonNa vote for you. I'm not gonNa vote for McGovern either you'll be all right with me Family Mrs Menial Vo for you. So two of my three girls. The other one well. Just follow her old man and not for anybody. There's no smile between the two of them. Nixon feels compelled to speak very kind of you George rest assured there's no Hartfield. Then, meany places his hand on Nixon Shoulder. He Looks Nixon straight in the eye just you don't get swell-headed. Voting for I wanNA tell you why she don't like McGovern. In his meeting with Nixon George meany made it clear that he would not get Nixon's way November this was an important development historically organized labor. A powerful political force had thrown its weight behind the democratic. Party but like many some sections of labor felt McGovern was too liberal and some places like New York this caused unions to support Nixon in others. It led to only pragmatic union support from governor for some union members while McGovern wasn't ideal four more years of Nixon's price and wage controls would. Be Harmful to workers and many pro McGovern. Union members believed the fears about social progress on issues of race relations. Inequality were not a justifiable reason to support his as one pro McGovern Labour leader asked his fellow workers what moves you more your prejudices or your pocketbook. If you maintain your prejudices, it will cost you money but these divisions deluded organized labor as a political bloc that dilution worked Nixon's benefit. He wouldn't have to worry about workers white workers in particular mounting a unified campaign for George McGovern. In, the nineteen seventy two contest, many moderate Democrats abandoned McGovern some even defected to. Richard. Nixon Treasury. Secretary John Conley the former governor of Texas step down from the cabinet to form an organization called Democrats for Nixon these defectors worn the McGovern would bankrupt the nation squander America's military strength in Vietnam and alienate the white working class. They claim that McGovern wanted to turn the Democratic Party into an ideological machine. Closed, a millions of Americans who've been the party's most loyal and steadfast members. These defections put McGovern in trouble as the famous American Journalists Hunter S. Thompson put it in September nineteen seventy-two. If the current polls are reliable, Nixon will be reelected by a huge majority of Americans who feel he is not only more honest and more trustworthy than George McGovern but also more likely to end the war in. Vietnam. Nixon. Did Not Mount an aggressive campaign by minimizing his public appearances and keeping quiet Nixon hope that McGovern would dig his own grave Nixon focused instead on the job of the presidency and hope that his past achievements would do the talking Nixon also hoped to benefit from a major shift in the electoral landscape. The lowering of the voting age. The Vietnam War era had yielded the slogan old enough to serve old enough to vote Congress had passed the twenty sixth amendment in March Nineteen seventy-one. It was ratified months later on July first officially lowering the voting aged eighteen. Additionally, the administration appear to pursue a draw down in Vietnam on October twenty seventh two weeks before the Election Nixon's National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger delivered a press conference on the state of the conflict he opened with a phrase that would become Nixon's Vietnam policy in the final days his seventy two campaign really. Is At. Kissinger believed that the time for peace talks between the US and the Vietnamese. Both from the North and south was at hand the Nixon administration had drawn the hippies and the Anti War camp for launching bombing campaigns in Laos and Cambodia. But with potential end the Vietnam war inside Nixon hope to lay claim to the antiwar mantle. He viewed this as critical to winning the nineteen seventy, two election as he himself admitted in a secret meeting between himself and Kissinger. Nixon says South Vietnam probably never gonNA survive anyway. I'm just being perfectly candidate Kissinger interrupts in the pullout arena Nixon hops back in when there's got to be if we get certain guarantees so that they aren't as you know looking at the foreign policy process though I mean you've got to be we also have to realize Henry winning election as terribly important. It's terribly important this year. An, American bombing campaign on North Vietnam would break out that December proving that piece was not as close at hand as Kissinger had led on. But for the time being it appeared as though McGovern had been outmaneuvered, the people wanted an end to the Vietnam War and Nixon appeared to be a man who would deliver it this help Nixon secure half of the youth vote. On the Election Day with the exception of one faithless elector who voted for third party Nixon won all electoral votes in forty nine of fifty states governed only one Massachusetts in Washington DC. Nixon's nearly sixty one percent of the popular vote was the largest percentage ever enjoy by Republican up to that point in history in the nineteen seventy, two campaign Nixon double down on his strategy. From Nineteen Sixty Nixon southern strategy appeal to white southern voters who deeply anxious about the liberalism of men like George, McGovern, after the attempted assassination of George, Wallace and May. This voting bloc largely flocked to Richard Nixon in Nineteen seventy-two, Nixon succeeded and finally resting away the democratic. Party's grip on the reins of the southern voter, a reliable democratic voting bloc since the days are reconstruction. But there was another crucial factor in Nixon's victory in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy members of the Nixon administration and formed the committee to re elect the president or the CRP. Creep as it was sometimes called us this war chest of hundreds of thousands of dollars to take extraordinary and often alito measures to ensure Nixon's reelection. An FBI investigation in October of Nineteen seventy-two revealed that letter sent to the Manchester Union. Leader in February of that year alleging that Ed muskie laughed at offensive joke was the work of the committee to re elect the president. But the most audacious dirty trick cree poll was not a forged letter. It wasn't illegal break in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington. DC's Watergate Hotel. Though the Watergate break in was front page news in the summer of nineteen seventy two the true depth of the scandal was still unknown McGovern had tried to use the break into hurt Nixon calling it. The kind of thing you'd expect under a person like Hitler but Nixon had denied any involvement by the White House writing it off as a third rate burglary. In the short term Nixon's attempts to distance himself from the Watergate scandal had worked. But shortly after the election Watergate flowed, the scandal would bring the Nixon administration to its knees would put the president in the crosshairs of Justice, and it would have a titanic impact of nine hundred and seventy six. On the next episode of wicked game, the election of Nineteen, seventy six after Nixon's caught up arguably the biggest presidential scandal in American history, he enlists the help of a man with unimpeachable character, Gerald r Ford Junior. In the wake of Watergate four becomes the only man to ever be appointed to the presidency in his reelection bid for an office he was never elected to four must prove himself worthy of his party's nomination fight off a Washington outsider Georgia. Democrat Jimmy Carter don't miss a single week of our march from seventeen eighty, nine to twenty twenty get the subscribe button and your podcast APP. 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"It is it really hot right now. Where you are good time to ponder big questions about are warming planet like the one our environment reporter sets out to answer today and that is how many super super hot days we should expect going forward? I'm Marco Werman also on the world today. Accord in the Netherlands holds the Dutch military partially responsible for a massacre in Bosnia twenty five years ago for victims families. It's better than nothing at least concede you see that there is somebody responsible. Even ten percent plus why engineers worried Neil Armstrong's first steps on the moon would not make it to T._v.. Screens by thought of everything the one thing they could not control was the weather Australia's role in televising advising the moon landing at story more today here on the world dangerous heat today. Hey for many people across the U._S. including here in Boston in fact I was looking at a weather map earlier today and much of the U._S. was shaded bright red orange with temps in the upper nineties in many places that map also resembles the one for Western Europe right right now and then in the middle of this heat wave. We have this news to think about last month was the hottest June on record globally. That's according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration the World Environment reporter Caroline billers here to talk about this with us caroline how you doing. I'm all right hot. Marco this temperature difference that made June the hottest on record ever might not sound like a lot it was only about a degree and a half hotter than the global average and that doesn't sound like that much right like can you tell it's seventy two or seventy three point five degrees in the studio right now. I cannot somewhere in there. Probably I think you're about right well but there's another way to think about rising heat that really has stuck with me as climate reporter and that is how many super hot days we should expect going forward so I want you to think about something with me all right good okay so think about ninety five degrees you open the door step outside and he just hits you like they're stepping into an oven. When you walk out on the street you try to find the spots of shade tree? You feel like you're helping from air conditioners air conditioner air conditioning. I remember very clearly June two thousand fifteen in New Orleans having that exact sensation right so ninety five degrees talking about pretty hot and here's the thing we're going to see a lot more of those super hot days going forward. Like how many days are we talking about well. I want to look at one specific place to really make this concrete Chicago the U._S.. When they were compiling their national climate assessment that was released last fall they actually came up with projections for how hot Chicago is going to be going forward and if you look at historical figures roughly the last quarter of the last century Chicago had about three three days a year when the mercury rose above ninety five degrees and here is what that sounds like that's our baseline so each of those knows represents one ninety five degree plus day now by the middle of this century if we cut our carbon emissions pretty dramatically? This is how many ninety five degree plus days Chicago will get. That's fifteen days per year above ninety five degrees but under a hi emission scenario. This is how many days of ninety five degree plus weather Chicago will get by mid century. That's twenty two days that is not encouraging and if we WANNA fast forward to around the end of the century under a high mission scenario it gets a little crazy. How many holidays was that forty nine days hotter than ninety five degrees in Chicago so you can imagine what that might sound like for much hotter outer places then Chicago right then Central America in the Middle East in Southeast Asia but there's another takeaway here which is that we still can do something about this because there's a big difference between that mid and high emission scenario? There's a big difference between this us and this difference the world's Caroline Baylor starting off today on sweltering set of notes and some hopeful notes as well caroline. Thanks very much. You're welcome. Marco Sunday Day is Election Day in one particular Asian country that gets a lot of press but it probably won't get much coverage for this election because the outcome is already set the country is North Korea. It's later as a dictator Kim Jong Hoon so why is North Korea even and bothering with elections the World Patrick win reports that sounds a little like a football game. It's actually North Koreans cheering on Kim Jong Hoon as he prepares to do something you you probably never pictured him doing voting at his local polling station North Koreans they vote everyone from radish farmers to soldiers to the big man himself in fact. There's an election this Sunday or provincial and city officials back in March. There was an even bigger election for the Supreme People's Assembly Juliane it what you don't get an that's a news anchor narrating as Kim Jong UN does his civic duty I he picks up his ballot the little slip of paper presented to him on a fancy blue cloth then he just sticks it in a giant box without writing anything down and walks away. That's it that's all everyone votes in North Korea minus the fancy Z. Clause when you get into the police station. I mean you given the ballot paper. The papers got one name on it. Glenn Ford is a British politician who has been to North Korea about fifty times and he wants to see an election playing out in Pyongyang you go into a booth or the ballot bulks. You're allowed to put your paper in unsullied or there's a pencil their feet across it out for voters this Sunday. That is the only choice they'll have stick the preprinted name in the box or you could say no this candidate presented by the tyrannical state that controls my entire life. No Hanmi that Pencil. I'm crossing out their name. The theory is that if anyone gets rejected you have another election the the following week with a different name. Does that ever happen. Ford says he asked couldn't get a straight answer so let's go with no also voting is mandatory for everyone seventeen in up expect ninety nine percent turnout because the only way you're exempted is if you're on a boat at sea so what is the point of all this well. Obviously it's not a real election. Think of it more like a big patriotic party. We need the polling station there's lots of flag-waving and singing and square dancing day often you don't get very many of those that opportunity that Taboada funding celebrate North North Korean state media puts it like this the voting ritual reinforces quote single-minded unity. It's not a battle of ideas. It's all about everyone coming together to think the same way and that according to the government is preferable to capitalist countries where elections are quote just a competition between a tiny handful of wealthy and powerful persons properly considerably cheaper than the U._S. election but I'm not sure it. I'm not sure saving money. He is the consideration Ford says the fact that this process even exist in any form could be a good thing because maybe maybe in the future if they local politician is really awful. North Korea might allow citizens sends to vote them out over in China where the Communist Party also holds four or against elections officials will sometimes let that happen though is impossible some point the Korean system may move in the same way. Certainly I unanticipated seeing a banner headline fifteen percents swing against the Workers Party career yet any change to the system would be crazy longshot assume that this weekend North Korea will keep on holding the most rigged elections in the world but hey there is one thing the North Koreans do have over the American system. At least they're voters. Get the day off or the world on Patrick win today. The Netherlands Supreme Court ruled that the Dutch military was partly responsible for the shredded needs a massacre shredder neat so was the worst atrocity in Europe since World War Two in July nineteen ninety-five have Bosnian Serb forces rounded up Muslim men and boys and killed more than eight thousand of them. The Dutch role in the massacre was that Dutch soldiers failed to defend the U._N.. so-called safe zone of SHREDDER NITSA The court said the Dutch state had ten percent liability ready for the desks Amir Halo Vich is from shredder Nitsa now resettled in London. His father was killed in the massacre in one thousand nine hundred five Halevi shared his reaction to the ruling today with the B._B._C.. Today's very emotional day <hes> but it he's good to see that the reason some judgment and all these people that was killed cleese families now received some sort of <hes> but at least we can see there is people the helped helped this so there is somebody responsible even ten percent. Dr Walker is me as chairman of remembering shredder Nitsa. That's a nonprofit in Britain dedicated to keep the memory of what happened in Shrub Anita Alive today Supreme Court ruling <hes> as you know says the Dutch State Bears Limited responsibility for the massacre ten percents <hes> there was a previous ruling boy lower court that said thirty percent. What does that mean exactly <hes> what this means really is in terms of the three hundred fifty <hes> men and boys that they had expelled from their camp compound that I have been not expelled Ma'am than they would have had ten percent chance of surviving because the serve would have murdered added them anyway and that's what it actually means? How did you react when you heard this news well we we've had pain mother's <hes> as an organization? We work with the survivors <hes> we we should have pain. We agreed with them in that. <hes> we had hoped that the <hes> the courts would've in terms of reducing the liability would have held <hes> that govern responsible <hes> but we also acknowledge that it is a historic ruling in that state has been found guilty for not protecting <hes> the the people that they had promised in the U._n.. Safe Haven <hes> they had promised to protect what was the Dutch royal shredder NATO was their mission and what did they actually do well. There was sent as part of <hes> the <hes> peacekeeping force in nineteen ninety four to into surveys that U._n.. Peacekeeping. Keeping Force <hes> celebrities who was a safe haven way people while fled from other areas to Serbians of a safety because people are being ethnically cleansed in other areas they were mudd is going on so when they found out that the U._N.. has declared Serb Nisa town a safe haven people thousands of people fled from all across Bosnia Herzegovina the Dutch bats <hes> who have them <hes> from nineteen ninety four onwards were there to protect them <hes> by nineteen ninety-five limbs July one thousand nine hundred five <hes> when melodic <hes> the force of monotonous around the town the Dutch bats did not fi even a single shot <hes> and what it turns out <hes> is that they handed all the people <hes> and melodic <hes> forces <hes> took young boys men <hes> bust them <hes> an took them to mad and they were put into mass graves save me. Will there be any consequences for the Dutch soldiers who failed in protecting the safe zone. I mean I think I I can't comment in terms of the Dutch soldiers I mean <hes> but what I can say is that the needs to do two things one is to look the families and how they can support you know even away from <hes> the financial support these no psychological support. There's no there's so much trauma that these mothers have gone through the second thing that does government can do is he's like we do in Britain and we've IPAD to to hold National Urbanism Memorial Day to Teach <hes> its own communities about the importance of building cohesion about the importance of rejecting hatred and extremism <hes> so that happens again so that hatred doesn't Flourish Walker as me with a nonprofit remembering shredder needs a good to speak with you. Thank you very much. Thank you fifty years ago. The World Watch Neil Armstrong Walk on the moon. Thanks to a gigantic radio telescope in Australia that was dealing with its own drama that day that story still ahead here on the world. The world is supported by Express V._p._N.. Express V._p._N.. Secures an anonymous as your Internet Internet browsing by encrypting your data and hiding your public I._P.. Address turning on Express V._P._N.. Protection only takes one click safely surf on public Wifi without being snooped on or having your personal data stolen. Protect your online activity today and find out how you can get three months free at express V._p._n.. Dot Com slash the world. That's E. X.. P. R. E. S. S. V._P._N.. Dot Com slash the world for three months free with a one year package visit express arrest V._p._n.. Dot Com slash the world to learn more. I'm Marco Werman and you're with the world. It'll be fifty years tomorrow thousands of technicians around the world. I've been working for many many months to ensure that nine first landing in the moon we'll be the greatest show on all for man. It's thanks to Australia Elliot by the way that many of us got to see this historic moment on our television screens and nine hundred sixty nine but just before it all happened engineers worried that they wouldn't have been able to pull it off. They thought of the one thing they could not control was the weather. This is John Sarkisian. He's a scientist Parks Observatory in Australia. That's where the radio telescope with the strongest signal captured the moonwalk but only just it went like this sort of without power Tropez Day so I thought Jiffy without a signal. Let me get the straight. You've lost without a clue. How fictitious is is that John? I mean most that part of the film was was fictitious. The film John's talking about there is the dish. It's about the telescope and parks with the same name. The Australian movie came out in two thousand John Advise the film crew about what went wrong that day on the day of the main woke of all days Volun- school hit the telescope telescope. The dish was fully tipped over waiting for the moon to rise minutes before puzzle. Jim was to switch on the television camera. The school hit with winds very high winds and in fact they it was subjected to to gusts of one hundred injured in ten kilometers now which actually push the dish back against the zen affects opinions causing the town that it sitting on to shudder and sway in the people inside in the controller be credit concern for them as you'd imagine then just as puzzle Jin switched on the camera we're on the outside of the lunar module as Armstrong was descending the letter. The moon just moved in just rose above our telescopes horizon and the sternum is able to receive the television picture. It was quite remarkable. The timing was amazing you can I just couldn't you couldn't scripted better something else. I didn't realize what we saw in our T._v.. Screen fifty years ago and what's played in history classrooms and on Youtube. It's not the original. It's not what was directly transmitted from the moon. That's right the original magnetic tapes the ones with the capacity to record that signal directly from the moon those went missing so we went looking for them and then unfortunately about twelve years ago we discovered that infect in the late nineteen seventy s and early eighties necessarily was had severe budget cuts in so with new missions coming up they needed data types to record the data from these new missions in somebody remembered that all these Apollo era types where in storage in the national national lack is they pulled them all had them dig asked erased and recertified full for us and we believe that the Apollo eleven types we were among those there's no evidence to suggest I was treated any differently so we unfortunately unfortunately had to conclude that the the the original tapes were we lost when the signal from the moon was received on earth it had to be converted into a format that you could see on T._v.. The whole N._T._S._C. Powell nonconformity thing remember that that it means a picture loss quality we saw astronauts blurry with no stars in the sky. John and other scientists wanted so badly to retrieve the high quality video so they figured out a way to do that. He and his team reverse engineered the raw moon signals into clear images before his death Neil Armstrong thank them for what he called. A valuable contribution to space exploration one thing that he did mention was he surprised that when I'm on the on the day the moonwalk but hey in Basilan surprised at a T._v. was actually received on the any you can hime it in the audience from the beginning of the broadcast because says that you're receiving a picture now writer and then Bruce mccandless that kept on says yes. We're getting a fixture on the T._v.. Then embezzle agencies picture and then they say yeah it's a little it's little dot a great deal of contrast and then it's kind of the upside down but they get in the picture for detail details always better on radio. What can I tell you Jones occasion? Operation Scientists Parks Observatory in Australia where the moon landing was transmitted for the whole world to see the lunar lander touchdown at three seventeen p._m.. Houston time on Sunday July twentieth nineteen sixty nine. It dominated the news so we were curious. What was going on that summer? The world's History Guy Chris Wolf has been digging. You can't talk about nineteen sixty nine without putting Vietnam front and center half a million young Americans were in south Vietnam on the day of the moon landing finding the average age was nineteen. Nearly twelve thousand Americans died there nineteen sixty nine eleven along with tens of thousands of Vietnamese. It was the story any including should be drawn from this street on attack. It's this that the north Vietnamese are capable of coming through South Vietnamese lines like I said Jim Bennett A._B._C.. Same Day news reports and graphic images on T._v.. Or shocking the nation protests songs things like this provided the soundtrack for mass protests against the war against the draft against atrocities against racism against inequality against the power of the man for the new President Richard Nixon Vietnam was a top priority tonight. I do not tell you the war in Vietnam is the war and wars but I do say this. I have initiated a plan which will end this war. He announced the plan just five days. After Neil Armstrong took that giant leap for mankind the Nixon doctrine amounted to letting the south Vietnamese take the brunt of the fighting the drawdown of U._S. troops began immediately but the wool continued and just a few few months later the draft for military service began using a lottery system a draft lottery alive report on tonight's picking of the birth dates for the draft an America learned. Some sons were more fortunate than others America was changing in other ways. The advent of the pill was revolutionizing sexual behavior and recreational drug use was sore Timothy leary psychologist an advocate for psychedelic drugs council so be young on what they should be doing having fun being curious exploring their sensual equipment making love learn what it's all about leary was the most dangerous man in America according to President Nixon but back to immediate news of that week like Chappaquiddick this morning. I entered a plea guilty to the charge of leading the scene of an accident senator. Ted Kennedy left behind that scene a young campaign aide Mary Jo Kopechne e she drowned in Kennedy's Cau- aw of Chappaquiddick island on Martha's vineyard also that we can that was one spectacular achievement. You've probably never heard of John. Fairfax became the first man to row across the Atlantic or any ocean for that matter battling storms and powerful currents in his little rowboat for six months thank you it was going to be very difficult. It was a lot harder than I thought the Mexican face but the main thing about me that I never give us sadly fairfax never got much publicity. He came ashore in Miami. Just the night before the moon landing for the world. I'm crystal. Oh and there was woodstock <music> and for some Muslims traveling to Saudi Arabia for the hajj this year. There is complicated one part of me saying ailing you have to go this one of the most important rituals of your life and the other part of me singing joe the money that you're going to spend there might go to to killing children like how do I reconcile both of those true facts that story still ahead here on the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world where co production of the B._B._C. World Service W. h. p._R._I.. N._p._R. X Twenty five years ago this week. A truck full of explosives blew up outside of a building in Buenos Aires Argentina. That building was a Jewish community center. Eighty five people were killed and three hundred more were injured today a quarter century later the U._S. government named a suspect in that bombing and drew a straight line to Hezbollah secretary state. Mike Pompeo says Salman Rove Salman was the mastermind of the winter series attack. A Hezbollah operative backed by Iran State Department's Rewards for Justice Program is offering up to seven million dollars for information leading to as identification or his arrest. The government in Argentina also blames Iran and Hezbollah for the nineteen ninety-four bombing and this week it designated Hezbollah as a terrorist group the first Latin American country to do so the totally Kosovo is on the line from Buenos Aires where he's been reporting on the story so the bombing at the AMIGA Jewish community Kennedy Center was the biggest terrorist attack Argentina's history. Take us back to what happened that day. It was also considered one of the biggest in the in the whole region. I mean in in South America I I remember being teenager and my mother waking me up in the morning I will debut because it was holidays. Holidays time I wasn't going to school and she was crying and we went rush there to help and it was quite a very emotional for wet for for everyone so you were those. Does your a kid and you went to the side of the bombing. Yeah we're on suicide. Bombing was a teenager. Everyone tried to to help volunteer removing the rubble trying to to locate any survivors and for Argentina. It's always always big a big big thing not being able to properly stylish what's happened and properly taken to justice at those responsible of this bombing so as far as the suspect Argentina's named in the bombing he is Salman Roaf Salman. How did Argentina identify him did that? Come from the U._S. or did Argentina did its own intelligence work. It's not quite clear how much is Argentina's own intelligence work and how much comes either from Israeli intelligence services or the U._S.. Intelligence Services is when it comes to this case in the justice to cases being carried regarding to how much has been hidden during the investigation of this case so whatever comes up it's not yet super clear as you said very precisely Ashley is the government was saying that this man is linked to the bombing. It's not the justice system has not yet decided appointed. Someone I mean there are some people consider suspects but the the justice has not yet arrived to conclusion definitive concretion and that's something that is exactly what the victims of the big want and feel has not been achieved yet and I think they feel has not been achieved yet not even with these announcements honest today Mike Pompeo the secretary state. He's on an official mission to Argentina this week talk about the timing of this I mean twenty five years after the bombing in Buenos Aires and now with Washington and Tehran in an escalating confrontation is this announcement just a coincidence. That's there seems to be something going on here. In the rest of Latin America with the visit of Secretary Pompeo here and to other countries after leaving Argentina and South American that's in America where he seems to be pushing forward but for the countries to those things seem to Argentina did in declaring Hezbollah terrorist organizations so there seems to be an offensive if you wish from the State Department toes has in the region Italia Kosovo speaking with me there from Buenos Aires the U._K.. Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said that Iran today had ceased to ships in the state of hormones and call it unacceptable president trump addresses situation as he was boarding a helicopter at the White House so we're going to be speaking kid with U._k.. And this only goes to show what I'm saying about Iran trouble nothing but trouble and it goes to show you I was right about Iran and let's see what happens. All this is happening after yesterday's events in the same region when the U._S. claimed at shot down on Iranian drone. Iran says that did not happen. Barbara Slaven directs the future of Iran Initiative at the Atlantic Council. She says he's latest events appear to be more of the same in the escalating tensions around Iran. I spoke with slave and earlier about the different stories Iran and the U._S.. Have about that drone incident. I mean it's very very hard for us to know who is telling the truth here. The Iranians have released some footage of what they claim was. There drone grown doing surveillance over in American worship of course that footage could have been taken before the drone was disabled. The Pentagon claims that it has disabled a drone but they had not shown any footage yet as far as I know of the drone actually being destroyed or being brought down so it's kind of a war of words right now. Do you know how usual it is for to fly a drone in that area. What's quite usual? I mean this is the Persian Gulf after all and as Iranians are always quick to point out the United United States that six thousand miles away from Home Naughty Ron and of course with tensions on the rise the Iranians are concerned that the United States might attack some Iranian facilities some Iranian base and so I think they can argue quite persuasively acidly that they're defending themselves against this kind of threat just yesterday Iran Foreign Minister Mama Javad Zarif told journalists in New York that Iran in the U._S. had been only a few minutes away from war after Iran shutdown that U._S. drone last month. What does this latest drone incidents say about where things stand? Is there any chance of things de-escalating well. There's always a chance thinks de-escalating but you know obviously were not on that path right now. It looks as though they're going to be more incidents. It's like this and the Persian Gulf hopefully without a loss of life because I think that would be a real red line for either the United States or Iran and could lead to a wider conflict but the running foreign minister also put out a modest offer for a new deal. Will you know suggesting that Iran ratify something called the Additional Protocol which allows intrusive inspections of Iran's nuclear infrastructure in return for lifting sanctions so you know there are passed to de Escalation if the trump administration association is willing to take them so what do you think the two sides are thinking in terms of strategic options of this point of moving forward will you run INS want desperately to get out from under sanctions. That's really all that they are are concerned about at this point. The United Tate's has declared economic war on Iran putting near-total embargo on the Iranian export of oil. Even though Iran was in compliance with a nuclear agreement at signed with the Obama Administration and the international community so Iran is responding thing it's reacting to this pressure by putting pressure of its own on international shipping aware it goes from here in the President says that he would be interested in new negotiations in talking to Iran but they're real questions about whether other members of of trump's administration have the same desire for a deal or whether they're simply happy to watch Iran being squeezed. How are the allies on other players involved in the J._C._p.? Away the Iran nuclear deal taking all of this in what is their perspective and they're very nervous. They're very very worried. Particularly the Europeans the last thing they WANNA say another war in the Middle East frankly even U._S.. Allies in the region like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. I think they're very happy with sanctions but they also don't WanNA military confrontation tation because Iran would of course have easy time hitting targets in those countries Barbara Slaven directs the future of Iran Initiative at the Atlantic Council. Thanks for being with US Barbara. It's my pleasure take care next month. Roughly two million Muslims will descend upon the holy city of Mecca for one of the most important rituals in Islam. Every Muslim must complete the hajj at least once in their lifetime as long as they are in good health and can afford it. The Hodgkin only be done in one place Saudi Arabia but the kingdom's human in rights record has left. Some Muslims conflicted about making the pilgrimage. Here's the world's Sharon Jafari growing up in New Jersey. Ayman Smile loved that the leading up to the heart the teachers were awesome. They would make like fake guy that like a giant cardboard box and all of us would go around and it'd be like bigalow about or the House of God is the giant Cube structure in the holiest site in Islam. You know it was one of the things that we did ever year celebration version of the hedge and it was it was a nice experience. I think back to the signs and I I really couldn't wait to actually go for Ayman. Just like for many Muslims going on the head would be dream. Come true. It's a religious journey which Muslims believe cleanses they're sold and brings them closer to God so why are back Ayman Who's twenty nine started to look into the logistics if found that it will cost him about ten thousand dollars to make the trip with the Flights Hotel Visa and all not cheap but he was committed so he started saving by early last year. Amen was well on his way to reach the ten thousand dollar goal his dream of performing the hut fault within reach it it gets more expensive every year and the longer you wait. The more expensive begets so I would love. I would love nothing more than just just go right. Then things started to get complicated. I we've been with this gruesome new detail that a for missing U._S. based journalist Jamalco Shuki is no longer alive headline after headline described atrocities committed guide to southeast there was the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal for show the crackdown on activists the Saudi war in Yemen one new story out of human struck a chord with aiming an airstrike on a school bus last year killed dozens of children C._N._N.. Obtained footage recorded by one of the boys always on the bus just an hour before it was hit less than an hour later. I'm mostly children video with that. That was a Saudi jet plane that fired that missile. I'm not comfortable with contributing to that. Ayman Aiman has since been questioning whether he should go on the hat. Now one part of me is saying aim and you have to go. This is one of the most important rituals of your life and the other part of me is saying Yo the money that you're GonNa pay for the visa or the money that you're gonNA GONNA spend their all of that. Money is going to might go to to killing children like how do I. How do I reconcile both of those true facts every year when millions of Muslims from around the wall go to Saudi Arabia for the pilgrimage they also bring business? US they stay at hotels riding taxis eat in restaurants shop for souvenirs so Hodgin EMRAH or religious tourism in general in Saudi. Arabia is a really important source of Revenue Karen Young Studies the Political Economy Economy of the Gulf States at American Enterprise Institute. It makes up about seven percent of total G._D._p.. In Saudi Arabia so this is a pretty significant part of the economy she says only the women use remain the largest contributor to Saudi the economy but the kingdom wants to reduce its dependence on oil as part of that. She says it plans to triple the number of programs going to Saudi Arabia in the next decade. The hope is that these pilgrim's go on to become just tourists and visit other places within Saudi Arabia so visa rules have been changed to both encourage people to extend their visits and also to charge them more especially for repeat Pilgrim's about twenty thousand and Muslims from the U._S.. are expected to go on the Hutch this year. Okay my first <unk> Zamir which I wrote on the Tar is the owner of Sarah International Travel Agency. New York is company offers various hatch packages for about nine thousand thousand dollars Sitar says he hasn't seen any noticeable drop in the number of Muslim Americans booking his agency now not all nuts all he says last year when the news about Jomo Hashtag tree broke he was worried in might impact his business. I but it didn't maybe it's because some Muslims have decided to separate the politics of Saudi Arabia from the country's religious significance Yasser Ivy is one of them is the dean of the Islamic Seminary of America his going to Saudi Arabia in two weeks only because it's home to two of Islam's holiest sites those sites are considered sacred by God and politics changes you know kingdoms come and go kings. Come and go and Diane are born and the sanctity the <hes> The has completed the Hajj Sixteen Times in the past often as religious leader for tours. This year is leading reproof about two hundred Americans. I mentioned Amen Smiles concerned that by showing showing up in Saudi Arabia by spending money there must be indirectly complicit in the kingdom's human rights abuses while there's an element of truth to that I must confess but at the same time we can flip it around. I'm an American citizen born and raised here. I'm very very thankful to God and I am definitely thankful for having the experiences of this country. It's giving me a lot at the same time I am highly critical of many aspects of the country I live in especially as foreign policy. If that argument were to be flipped around and I would be told why are you living in this land one your tax dollars being spent on such and such you know the response to that is well an infinitesimally small amount of my personal tax dollars going there and overall benefit that comes homes for me to live here for myself my family my faith my people my country far outweighs the small percentage of money that my taxes might impact on what I disagree with so he says his not only going this year but he will continue to go four Lynn neary recently a high ranking religious leader in Libya called for boycott of the hat but Eamon is my isn't advocating a boycott his personal decision that every Muslim has to make make for themselves. He says he's mad at the Saudi government for putting the stout in his heart in the first place a really really hope that one day in Shaw the custodians of Mecca will will empathize with the way that they've made Muslims field around the world for now who continue to save his money his says he will participate in the hatch one day his just not ready yet for the world. I'm sharing Jafari. The notorious drug cartel leader Joaquin El Chapo L. Guzman is beginning his life sentence in prison this week meantime his Sinoloa drug cartel has moved on from trafficking cocaine and heroin to a new drug of choice Fenton. Oh it's a synthetic opioids. That's fifty times stronger than heroin and blamed for tens the thousands of overdose fatalities each year in the U._S.. Most fennel originates in China but increasingly the drugs chemical components are shipped to Mexico. I where cartel labs turned indefensible and move it into the United States Scott Stewart Stewart with the research group Strat for has been looking into why cartels are turning to this deadly drug. Scott Fennel is such a dangerous and fatal piece of the OPIOID crisis here in the U._S.. Right now <hes> as of July twenty nine hundred wears it coming from which countries we're seeing some fennel sent directly from China to the U._S.. Primarily in the flow of commerce you know stuff being purchased on the dark web. We'll have fairly pure fennel sent by mail to dealers who will then uncut it into either fake narcotic pills or they will cut it into fake heroin but then also we have organized crime groups that are trafficking at into the country through Mexico and then we also see some of it <hes> coming in through Canada from from Asian organized crime groups so with Sentinel coming to the U._S.. Mexico what's happening to it in Mexico before it gets brought into the U._S.. Well we're seeing two sources. There's some of it's coming in directly from China. That's already made manufacturer but then we're also seeing the precursor chemicals come into Mexico and then the Mexican cartels are synthesizing fennel in their labs. It's actually an easier drug to synthesize then methamphetamine so these Mexican super labs are pretty well position both in terms of their supply chain to China but also their ability to synthesize the drug due to their experience in the methamphetamine trade tracer root for us for fennel as it leaves Mexican comes to the U._S.. How does it get here? Who's is delivering it and who's it delivered to yeah what we're seeing is? They're they're pretty much piggy backing onto the infrastructure that they've established and long had established for other drugs coming into the U._S.. So we're seeing especially the synthetic drug organizations such coaches are kind of using a lot of the same labs and infrastructure the smuggle the drugs into the U._S. that they've used for methamphetamine but also we see a lot of parallel into the Mexican cartels that have really cornered the heroine market in the United States and so we're we're seeing no being also pushed in that same supply chain up into the U._S. and then down to St distributors. What makes fennel do you think the drug of interest currently for Mexican cartels the other really several factors that make it really ideal drug for these organized crime groups one is that it's cheap to produce? We're seeing estimates coming in for D._A.. That it costs between fourteen hundred two three thousand dollars a kilo to produce of course they can then turn around and sell that retail retail for over a million dollars on streep has compared to heroin for example <hes>. It's it's much more lucrative so really essentially smuggling. One kilogram. Offense is roughly equivalent of smuggling fifty kilograms of heroin into the U._S.. What are the other reasons Mexican <unk> like this? It doesn't have a growing season like opium poppies. Do you don't need a lot of land to cultivate it like you do opium poppies and basically you can fabricators synthesize it anyplace that you have the chemicals available. It's also compact to smuggle lucrative compact easy to make easy to smuggle it really is a dream drug for Mexican organized crime. So which country do you think is the bigger threat at this point in terms of Feno flooding the U._S. China or Mexico. It's really a combination of all the above I I think that like the methamphetamine trade you know everything goes back to these precursor chemicals that are predominantly coming out of China but certainly the Mexicans than had the ability to really crank crank out and then smuggle huge quantities of this drug I I don't want to downplay kind of the mail order dark web model. It is resulting in deaths and certainly just a few grams or an ounce offense and all that is very repute coming in from China can kill a lot of people but we compare that to these shipments of one hundred kilos or seventy kilos that we're seeing coming in from Mexico and we can see the Mexicans are really flooding the market with Sentinel in in a way that the Chinese can't do directly by mail. Why do the precursor chemicals professional come solely? It seems from China well. I think a lot of that just goes back to the difficulty of controlling all these factories and the number of them that there are in China. You spend a lot of your time researching and writing about drug cartels than the OPIOID epidemic in the U._S.. What keeps you up at night Scott? What are you most worried about as I've been looking more closely lately I really believe that there's a really really a misunderstanding out there across the world that sees Noah's being North American problem this basically just an issue for the Americans or the American Canadians to deal with but I believe that the very same factors that make feno attractive love for the Mexican cartels also make it attractive for other organized crime groups across the globe that are involved in the illicit opiate trades so Balkan organized crime groups Russian organized crime groups even organized crime groups that are <hes> selling things like counterfeit tram at all across the Middle East Africa? What is that product? You just described drug. treadmill is is actually an opiate bill so it's weaker but somewhat similar to our oxycodone that we've seen in the U._S. and I believe that it's going to be a similar gateway drug for Illicit Sentinel pills the same way that we saw elicit fendt bills coming in for the Oxycontin oxycodone in the United States Scott Stewart and expert on terrorism and security issues with Strat for Scott really appreciate your time on this thank you thanks for having me we close today with one more nod to the moon and this song releases week by an Italian Italian we featured on the show you times Giovanetti among our Blah Blah Blah Blah Solan on the Kamina single she John Malcolm get this is actually drove not cover of the pop classic Luna by Johnny Tony The huge hit in Italy when it came out in nineteen eighty a love song which the object of the singers affection is a woman unnamed Luna or was Tony Singing about the moon itself anyway with Jovan noughties version. The intent is clear. He released this cover of Luna to Celebrate Tomorrow's Fiftieth Anniversary of the moon landing just another reminder that Apollo eleven captured the entire your world imagination and united people even for a brief moment i Widodo Mondo or blow. I look at the world from portal sometime tonight. Grab a few moments at turn your eyes to the Waning Moon and just contemplate. That's where we leave today.

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Sen. Ted Kennedy & American Liberalism

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Biography of kennedy called catching the wind. Also justin chang reviews happiest season. A new romantic comedy. Starring kristen stewart and mackenzie davis as a lesbian couple keeping their relationship secret at a family christmas gathering our guest today. Neil gabler is known among other things as a film critic and historian of the entertainment world but his new book is about politics and the course of american liberalism of the past fifty years. He's written the first volume of a two part biography of the late. Senator edward kennedy kennedy was the youngest of three charismatic brothers who ran for president in the twentieth century. His life was marked by notable political achievements. But also by tragedy and scandal and while he never secured the democratic nomination for president he became a force in the senate where he served for. Nearly forty seven years a proponent of liberal ideas until his death in two thousand nine neal gabler is the author of five previous books. Including biographies of walter winchell. Walt disney and barbra streisand. He joins us from his home in amazon's at long island to talk about his new book catching the wind. Edward kennedy and the liberal our nineteen thirty two to nineteen seventy five. Well neal gave her welcome back. Fresh air thank you very much. Why did kennedy matter this much to you. And it's not a life unexamined. Why did we need a new look at his achievements in life. Well david begin books not with a subject but with a question so when i set out to write this book it wasn't as if i were saying i have to write in edward kennedy biography. It was that i was fixated on the issue of what happened to american liberalism. Which i regard as the largest political question of the last sixty years the one that changed the tectonic plates of american politics. The way to go about answering that question was by looking at the preeminent. Liberal of the last sixty years was senator edward kennedy. I always look at these lives as metaphorical and so i thought by examining this life by telling the story i would be telling another story as well. Which is the story of what happened to liberalism. So that's how. I got to edward kennedy of course. The life provides the narrative engine for the book and liberalism provides the thematic text for the book. And what an eventful life you know. Kennedy came on the scene in the early sixties when liberalism was about to have. It's it's great moment. I mean we you know. We had the voting rights act and socials and medicare and and The civil rights act and great society legislation And he was there at the beginning. That's the book called catching the wind. And it sort of seems the perfect metaphor for him. Coming in at that moment Before we talk about his life. I'm interested in your thoughts on the state of liberalism. Today you know looking at the election that we just experienced Dinner the repudiation of donald trump and yet him getting more votes than he did in four years ago the state of the congress the supreme court state legislatures and the democratic party whereas liberalism now well liberalism years ago. Became really a kind of profanity. I mean people. Talk about the l word and i'm not sure that that is his changed entirely In this current environment liberalism. At the time i write about at the beginning of Of ted kennedy's career was the prevailing ideology in america The book is subtitled. Edward kennedy the liberal our because historians have called that period in the nineteen sixties. The liberal our when liberalism was at its ascendancy but over the sixty years You know since you know. Liberalism has his declined mightily. And it certainly doesn't have the potency. Now that it had then and i think liberals have to fight to get their ideas into a political marketplace so liberalism is is still under siege. It's been. it's been a long long siege. It's been a siege that probably begins in the late nineteen sixties and has continued almost unabated until today right a new state of there are many causes for this but part of the story is losing. Its moral authority. As i examined all of the various aspects of liberalism. My conclusion was that what liberalism had that conservatism at that. Time did not have was moral authority and that liberalism sustained itself not on the basis that was providing all sorts of economic benefits for americans particularly white americans but that it had this sense of moral authority to which many americans subscribed in a sense though. This may be overstating things It was the right thing to do. Liberalism promoted the right causes. Liberalism created community liberalism worked for the the voiceless and the powerless and the disenfranchise in the marginalized and what what really contributed to the decline of liberalism in my estimation was not as many historians say a death by a thousand cuts so that essentially bled to death but it was a larger thing that subsumed all of these others As kind of samurai sword cut and that was that liberalism was stripped of. Its moral authority. That's a very complicated process. It's the process. I discussed in this book and ted kennedy contributed to that loss of moral authority through his own behavior but liberalism had moral authority. It's a stained it and liberalism lost more authority. And that is. I think it lost a lot of the power that it had in the society in nineteen sixty two Ted kennedy comes to the senate just thirty years old. His brother Is president having won the election in nineteen sixty What was his reputation in washington to then to the extent that he had won his reputation. Washington was that he had gotten to the senate and this is not an an entirely wrong characterisation because he was a kennedy and because his his brother was president states in his father was one of the wealthiest men in america and at thirty years of age. That's how he got into the senate running a race against the nephew of the senate of the excuse me of the house. Majority leader john mccormack so it was a kind of battle of massachusetts family. Dynasties and ted was completely ill equipped by experience to be a senator. Not only was the only thirty years old but he had no experience in elective office. He was an assistant. Da in suffolk county So he comes to the senate with the idea that you know he's kind of the kennedy family his bought his way into the senate and he's going to be a show horse he is going to be A guy who really isn't there to work very hard. But to luxuriate in the idea of being a senator rather than working at being a senator and i have a chapter in the book that i call the least because the expectations of ted kennedy were always the least. He was the least of the kennedys and regarded himself that way so this wasn't only an external judgment. It was his own internal judgment that his brothers were always much greater than he. He was the least right and the senate that he went into was different kind of body. Then i mean you know. Seniority ruled a lot of the committee. Chairs were these southern democrats that had been there for decades and they ruled with iron fist. Your legislation didn't get anywhere unless they said so He said about learning this. Tell us tell us what is approach was ted kennedy. Had what his mother called a nice child talent. And what rose kennedy meant by. That was he was. He knew how to ingratiate himself. He understood deference in the kennedy family. He was the kind of gesture he was a pet He was actually literally afterthought the kennedy family had named their yacht. The ten of us never expecting that there would be an eleventh of them but of low and behold ted kennedy arrives and he arrives as an afterthought any arrives as you know someone who is you know again. The least in the family has he was the least almost everywhere else. But that ninth tiles. Talent became a very valuable tool in the institution of the senate which ted kennedy treated very much as he treated his own family. He was extremely deferential. He was a kind of of gesture in the senate not just in in the sense that he was a joke but in the sense that he knew how to jolly up the other senators he was He ingratiated himself in the senate and so when he came there The other senators realize something that they had no expectation of of realizing which which was that they liked. Ted kennedy he was likable any understood his role in the senate but there was something else as well. And that is ted. Kennedy worked very very hard and that was also something that was not expected by the senate bowls and the other leaders of the senate but ted kennedy wanted to establish himself as someone who could gain the respect of his senate elders by showing how hard he would work anti-debt. Maybe you could give us an example of ted kennedy using his mastery of relationships and knowledge of the senate to to make incremental gains and advance a progressive agenda later on when you know. Republicans ruled the senate. Well let me give you an example of the one of the most important pieces of legislation. That ted kennedy passed. Which was the children's health insurance program one of the things that ted kennedy always did when he introduced a piece of legislation is he said to a staff. Find me a republican meaning a republican who would co sponsor the bill. He wasn't just there to introduce a bill He was there to get a bill passed and he understood particularly when the republicans rule the senate that he needed a republican cosponsor. In the case of children's health insurance he decided that he would recruit orrin hatch Or to see if he could recruit orrin hatch To cosponsor the program and he did a couple of things that were very interesting. One there was a member of ted kennedy staff by the name of nick littlefield. Who had in a previous life been a broadway singer and orrin hatch was a composer sun. He would bring littlefield to hatch's office and have littlefield sing orrin hatch compositions which very much ingratiated orrin hatch. But the other thing he did was that he knew that orrin hatch would probably have no particular interest in passing another piece of government legislation. Even one that would help children and and the whole idea of was to assist children whose parents made too much money to qualify for medicaid. But not enough money to provide health insurance. So what he did is. He has a conservative republican from utah and mormon if he would join his cause and the way he brought hatch into it was to say that hatch who is very much as a mormon very much against smoking that the chip would be financed by a steep tax on tobacco. This gave hatch a reason to join. Ted's 'cause it would discourage tobacco. Smoking and ted got a for his bill. We need to take a break here. Let me reintroduce you. We're speaking with neal gabler. His new book is the first volume of a two part biography. It's titled catching the wind. Edward kennedy and the liberal our nineteen thirty to nineteen seventy five. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is fresh air. So when ted kennedy. I get into the senate i mean. He's thirty years old when he begins. And he's not there two years before strat tragedy strikes his life Tell us where he was when his brother jack. The the president was assassinated in dallas. Ted kennedy was presiding over the senate now to understand how this works in the senate freshman. Senator are usually put in the role of presiding over the senate. It's a thankless task. But when when the news came into the senate ted kennedy was on the dyas Presiding over a debate and He was approached Told that something had happened. There are various versions of the story. he was led down from the diocese out into the lobby. And depending on. Which story you you believe either. Read the account of his brother being shot on an api wire service or he was told by one of the senate a officers about That obviously triggered a whole mayhem as he then raced around the city trying to get a phone so that he could access his brother robert to find out what had happened but the phones were all dead in washington. Because after the news of the shooting at that point they didn't know whether he'd been assassinated or not That news spread throughout and clogged up. All the phone lines. So ted spent the next few hours racing around washington seeing if he could find act. Phone lines to contact bobby to find out what had happened. He eventually finds bobby bobby. Of course. I was deeply devoted. His brother jackie served as his attorney. General how was ted kennedy's reaction to this tragedy. Different from bobby kennedy. Bobby kennedy was not only devoted to jack kennedy. But in some ways he lived vicariously through his brother He was an adjunct to his brother. He served his brother in every possible way. And when john kennedy died it was not as if a piece of had died but as if he himself died and he was mobilized by grief. There is no question that that bobby kennedy absolutely ceased to function. he ceased to function. And that put on ted the youngest of the brothers the burden of trying to carry the family forward so ted didn't have if one wants to call it the luxury of of tragedy of luxuriating in zone in his own tragedy Ted had to move forward and he did and he did But it this was one of the things that i think it one has to understand about the kennedy family and. I don't think that it's been discussed enough. But it's something that patrick kennedy ted son said to me Any said you know of all the tragedies you know we see this kind of stoicism that to which the kennedys reacted to tragedy And we all sit there in certain amount of admiration that they persevere they keep going but he said in some ways that's misleading because the kennedy family all suffered from post traumatic stress disorder and though ted persevered he definitely suffered from this post traumatic stress disorder which became a kind of of of kennedy endemic to the kennedy family so After jack is lint lyndon johnson becomes the president no friend of the kennedy family really particularly had a hostile relationship with bobby kennedy and now ted is in the senate and lyndon lyndon johnson surprises a lot of the kennedys by aggressively taking up the civil rights legislation that jack kennedy had an endorsed but it never gotten very far with and then proceeded on that there was civil rights act. There was the voting rights. Act there was medicare a whole series of what came to be known as great society legislation. What was ted kennedy's role in any of this. Well as you pointed out lyndon johnson. And bobby kennedy were absolutely loggerheads in large part because bobby felt that johnson was really insincere came to liberalism and that he would not carry forth john. Kennedy's agenda turned out. Of course he was wrong. But that did dissuade. Bobby kennedy from disliking lyndon johnson lyndon johnson dislike the kennedys because he felt that they were condescending to him and that they didn't respect him but ted kennedy was different because ted kennedy was not a hater. Ted kennedy was in ingratiate. Or as i said earlier so lyndon johnson and ted kennedy had a different kind of relationship lyndon johnson tried to work. Ted kennedy and in fact is ted was the first to admit he tried to separate the brothers thinking that he might be able to get ted to form some sort of alliance with him against bobby. But ted also said that that was an impossibility. No one could ever divide the kennedys. Nevertheless ted unlike bobby was willing to work with johnson and did work with johnson. He did not have that antipathy toward johnson. That bobby had and so we worked on the civil rights act of sixty four and he worked on the voting rights act of sixty five and he worked with johnson Even on the war. In vietnam bobby broke with johnson relatively early. But ted did not. Ted continued almost unconscionably to support. Johnson's prosecution of the war in vietnam for a fairly long time again. Even as as bobby had turned against johnson. Neil gabler book is the first volume of a two part biography. It's titled catching the wind. Edward kennedy and the liberal our nineteen thirty two to nineteen seventy five. He'll be back to talk more after this short break. I'm dave davies. This is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one to banking reimagined capital. 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Ted kennedy's moral authority and reputation than anything else in his life. This was the the chappaquiddick incident. I mean a lot of people remember this but may not remember the detail. Some some younger listeners may not recall it no of it at all. you're just give us the bare outlines. What happened in this this episode. This was the the summer after bobby. Kennedy's assassination and in ted was in a dire state described. The state that bobby kennedy was in after john. Kennedy's assassination at this point. Ted kennedy was in a similar state. he was asked to come to chappaquiddick off. Martha's vineyard to participate in a meeting of bobby. Kennedy's a group of bobby. Kennedy's former staffers. They were known as the boiler room girls because they manage the room in which State delegations were monitored. He went there for a kind of wake for bobby He also went there to participate in regard in a race. He was a great sailor. And what happened that evening. Evening of the party on chappaquiddick island is one of the boiler room girls named mary jo kopechne e and ted kennedy went off in a car Ted said they were going to go back to the mainland back to martha's vineyard edgar town but on the way back. Ted took a wrong turn. One off a very narrow bridge over a pond cold pond and the car sales off the bridge over turned into the water was about seven feet of water. Ted managed to free himself from car through a window then said that he dove back toward the car to try and remove. Mary jo kopechne e but he tried repeatedly and the current was very very strong and he could not Pull her out of the car eventually. mary jo kopechne e died. She drowned in the car is a womanizer and even as a drinker. So there were those elements was he drunk Where he and mary jo. Kopechne is going off to have some sort of tryst which seems highly unlikely. Whatever one thinks of. Ted kennedy highly unlikely that mary jo kopechne would have done that She was a strict catholic and it impugns reputation but also to to be Fair to ted kennedy in this in this instance. It would be very unlikely. That ted kennedy would have gone off with one of bobby's about the room girls. It's just not something would have done now. Ted did not report the accident for another ten There were reasons. He gave for that but he himself said that none of them were ex- culpable That he couldn't exculpate himself from this and and that really was the incident of quitting that had all sorts of ramifications politically for him personally and for the political cultural generally rice. Right after the accident. It was the middle of the night. And he he actually plunged into the water and swam across this little area to the edgerton went to his hotel rather than reporting it went to sleep. Got up in the morning and spent a couple of hours and by the time he reported the accident you know the car had already been spotted and they believe they had also already identified at his his and rescued had retrieved. Mary jo kopechne Body he he would eventually plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and getting get a suspended sentence and you know it left feeling that you know he he got. He got a treatment that no one else would have in that circumstance What what was the. What was the impact on him his his image career. The impact was that given ted kennedy's reputation. He had a reputation to his brother. But you know ted's reputation was certainly impugned didn't need much more impugning and it was almost certainly the The death of any chance that edward kennedy would have of being prisoner had states prior to that accident. It was assumed that ted kennedy would be running against richard nixon in nineteen seventy two. If he chose to run then they would have a very good chance of being elected president. And if not then then in nineteen seventy six but that doomed his chances it also did something else a. There's a line that walter mondale than senator from minnesota sad and i think it's it's absolutely true. He said when ted went over that bridge he took liberalism with him. Because if we talk about again the relationship between liberalism and moral authority. And if we look at ted kennedy as being the primary proponent of liberalism then when ted kennedy went over that bridge. He took liberalism with him because he took the moral authority over that bridge with him. Let me reintroduce you again. We're gonna take another break here. We are speaking with neal gabler. His new book is the first volume of a two part. Biography titled catching the wind. Edward kennedy and the liberal our nineteen thirty two to nineteen seventy five. We'll talk more after a break. 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I didn't know That congress took a serious run at health. Care reform in the second Nixon term of nixon Just briefly what happened. How close did we come to getting a real healthcare bill. Then we came very close and the reason was that richard nixon needed one. He was reeling from the watergate investigation. Ted kennedy from nineteen sixty nine had been angling to get a national health insurance bill. And here you have these two giant adversaries Now kennedy because of chappaquiddick and because of his own interest in adding some healthcare bill and nixon because largely because of watergate seeing if they join forces to find some kind of of motive n die to pass a national health insurance bill and kennedy also had recruited wilbur mills who was the Head of the house ways and means committee to see if we could get mills to also assist with advancing a national healthcare bill in the house. So we were bringing all of these components together that is kennedy was bringing nixon and wilbur mills and of course he had himself and all the liberals on one side and they were all meeting and it's a very complicated story of how many parts there were an in this but because of watergate the labor leaders and other liberal leaders felt you know nixon needs this desperately but watergate is also going to tumble nixon and throw him out of office and we will have a greater opportunity to pass a national health. Care bill when we get a democratic congress and a democratic president and so kennedy tried to argue with them. Kennedy tried to tell them that it wasn't going to change in the way they thought it was going to change any any took the congressional director and he went down every member of the senate finance committee and convinced them tried to convince them not successfully. That all these guys were going to be there. These guys are going to win their their re-elections. The committee wasn't going to be any different. If they thought they were gonna have some better chance of passing this they were wrong and they considered kennedy and they called him. This they said you were a trader your traitor to the cause But eventually it just blew up but they came within an eyelash and kennedy would always said that the greatest regret of his career was not sitting down with nixon and getting a national healthcare bill through the congress because with nixon and kennedy working together. And also with the assistance of wilbur mills. He thought it was a doable thing about in the end. It wasn't doable. Would this have been a single payer national health system it would have been a system. No it would not have been single payer. It actually would have been a a national healthcare system that would not be that dissimilar from obamacare it had employer mandates that was what nixon was proposing Kennedy always understood. You know we always think of kennedy's being this hard liberal ideologue but kennedy was a pragmatist. Always a pragmatist. The healthcare bill that he proposed year after year after year after year. The health securite was a single payer system but kennedy also understood that you put that on the table and then you have to retreat from that to get a bill that will actually pass. That's how kennedy legislated and so no. It wasn't a single payer. Bill that would finally have emerged from this compromise. But it would have been a bill. That kennedy could then build on which is what he always sought to do you know. Let's get what we can get. Let's get the half loaf. And i'm going to bake the full off but they couldn't get the half loaf after the chappaquiddick Scandal in nineteen sixty nine. The next presidential election was nineteen seventy two and it wasn't out of the question that he would run and certainly not a question for years later in the nineteen seventy six election in the end. He didn't in either case but he did go around the country giving speeches and you know raising people's hopes and what's interesting is that he was still beloved by so many people right. I mean he kinda amazing receptions. The kennedy brand is a strong brand and ted you know. Use that brand you. Here's here's the thing. Also about that. I think is interesting. We tend to. We tend to read john. Kennedy and robert kennedy forward into ted kennedy and the ted kennedy becomes a sort of liberal icon because he bears that legacy from john and robert. But i think there's another process at work here. We read ted back into robert and john. John was nowhere near as liberal. As ted kennedy and i think one could make the argument. I would make it that even robert kennedy who is much more liberal than john and in fact use john's death to advance a much more liberal agenda is also a beneficiary of ted's liberalism. Ted became the icon of the powerless. He enjoyed that role and it became a more important role as republicans took over. The congress and is ronald reagan became president in one thousand nine hundred eighty and then you know george bush george h w bush and later george w bush ted was that flickering flame that kept liberalism alive and for those who believed in the things in which ted kennedy believed which was an activist. Government would help those who needed help. He remained he remained the outstanding figure of the left. The last story you tell them. The book is one in which an element of the old new deal coalition the progressive coalition which was You know white. Ethnic working class voters who had who had supported the new deal and and supported john kennedy. That ted kennedy lost them really over the issue of integrating schools in boston. Which according to court orders at the time included busing of students both black students and white students into different neighborhoods. Who has it was you know Passionately opposed by a lot of irish in a lot of irish american communities. Ted kennedy exactly endorse this. But but he believed in upholding the law and embracing the principle of integration. What kind of in counters did he have with these constituents who were so furious at them. Dave exactly right. I mean ted kennedy is caught between a rock and hard place. Ted kennedy is advocating for integration. Because african americans he felt deserved it but on the other hand those very supporters of his they. The ethnic irish italians of boston are feeling that this is a zero sum game and they're losing it that integration comes at their expense and though ted's endorsement was somewhat lukewarm. He couldn't turn his back on african americans and he in one thousand nine hundred seventy four. When the integration plan a quartered integration plan was going forward Ted appeared at an anti busing rally. He was not invited. He just appeared hoping that he might restore peace between the sides hoping that he might use the kennedy magic but the kennedy magic had vanished at this point and what happens then and at a subsequent appearance that he makes where a group of white bostonians gathered outside is the ted kennedy is assaulted. And in the second instance which happened outside in in quincy massachusetts the first. It was a rally in boston on the civic plaza. They're the second was in. Quincy he has to run for his life. he is being chased. He is being pelted. He's being kicked. he is being hit. He is being chased down into the boston subway and has to jump onto a train while his aides bar the gates because these people are going to go after him and try and physically destroy him and these were people who had been who had been ardent supporters of his for decades. These are our kennedy supporters. These are people who loved the kennedys but in a way. This is a harbinger of the kind of thing that we're seeing in america. In present day. America this was the core of the new deal coalition about when the kennedys began working with ted kennedy began working for integration They couldn't countenance that they turned on him. They felt that he had been a traitor to their cause. And the taken. The side of african americans against them. It was again a harbinger of to happen in america. Generally which is why end volume one with that story. Because the the notion of the rise of conservatism in the end of liberalism is somehow typified by that incident. Or those two incidents. The one in boston the one in quincy in which ted kennedy the liberal icon is chased by the very people who always supported him and his brothers. Ted being the affable guy. That i always felt comfortable in a working class bar. How did he react to this. He was shaken. He was shaken because he understood. He understood their grievance. It wasn't as if ted kennedy was some sort of ivory tower liberal who didn't get it he got it it just felt he just felt that you know it was something he couldn't embrace he couldn't embrace letting the schools remained segregated but he was so shaken and thereafter that borelli on the plaza in boston. You know he was. He was holding a cup of water and his hand was just palsied His face was flush. He knew what had happened he. He understood the forces that were being summoned against him. He understood all of that but he was powerless to deal with it. There was no easy way out as there was no easy way out now That is you know these. In the forces of contention either you embrace you know the the forces of of progressivism and integration and and multiculturalism. And whatever one wants to call it or you don't You feel that there is. There's a backlash against it. And ted kennedy was in the middle of that battle and suffered greatly for it Both personally and politically on the gable. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you so very much dave. I enjoyed it. Gabor's new book is the first volume of two part biography titled catching the wind. Edward kennedy and the liberal our nineteen thirty two to nineteen seventy five. The second volume called against the win. Edward kennedy in the rise of conservatism will appear in october of twenty twenty one coming up. Justin chang reviews happiest season. A new romantic comedy. Starring kristen stewart and mackenzie as a lesbian couple keeping their relationship. A secret at a family. 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She gives this in during not always subtle farce. A quiet emotional core stewart plays abby a grad student. Who's in a deeply committed relationship with harper. A journalist played by. Mackenzie davis abby. Planning to go home with harper for the holidays and meet her family for the first time figuring. It'll be the perfect opportunity to propose marriage in this early scene. Abby discusses her plans with her. Buddy john they by the irrepressible. Dan levy emmy winner for shits creek. He's the gay protagonists gay. Best friend one of many romcom conventions that happiest season cleverly recycles abbey. You and harper have a perfect relationship. Why do you want to ruin that. Engaging in one of the most archaic institutions in the history of the human. Because i want to marry her. Okay you say that. But you're actually doing is tricking the woman. You claim to love by trapping. Her in a box header normative and trying to make her your property. She is not a rice cooker. Where a cake plate. she's a human being. It's not about owning a building a life with her. She is my person and i really want everyone to know that. That's one way of looking at it. It's not until the couple are driving out to the suburbs. That harper drops a bomb show. She's never actually come out to her folks and she begs abby to pretend to be her roommate at least through the holidays. Complicating matters is the fact that harper's father play by. Victor garber is running for mayor of their hometown and she can't do anything that would jeopardize his appeal to the family crowd. Although happiest season never spells out anyone's political affiliation the conservatism of harper's wealthy family is pretty obvious at one point. Her mother played by briefly caustic. Mary steenburgen makes a snide remark about gay people and their lifestyle choice. Harper's parents are loving but incredibly demanding which seems to have negatively impacted all their children to some degree. That's why harper's oldest sister sloan play by three is so ruthlessly competitive flaunting her successful business and two young kids by contrast the lovable goofy middle child. Jane is an aspiring fantasy novelist. Who's made peace with being her parents. Least favourite. she's played by the comedian. Mary holland who wrote the script with the director. Clay duval duval made her feature filmmaking debut. A few years ago with an ensemble piece called the intervention audiences may also remember her breakthrough role in the nineteen ninety nine gay conversion therapy satire. But i'm a cheerleader. Twenty one years after that indie favourite some might find happiest season a little regressive focusing on a smart liberal minded woman who feels the need to hide her sexuality but the movie knows that coming out is something intensely personal never more so than with family. There's also the unfortunate fact that crowd pleasers have always been slow to reflect social progress a movie targeting the widest possible audience is by definition a little behind the curve. Happiest season is being billed as the first studio produced holiday. Romcom centered on lgbt characters. A milestone that feels as though it should have been passed long ago the irony of this movie and others like the two thousand eighteen gay teen comedy love. Simon is that they break new ground by offering up cozy comfortingly familiar pleasures. Happiest season is chock full of traditional. Christmas set pieces from an ice skating outing to a white elephant gift party both of which go horribly wrong. The movie has snappy. One liners a few sticky running gags and throw pillow heavy production design. Harper's family home is one of the more covetable pieces of cinematic real estate. I've seen in a while. It's all completely conventional right down to that lump. You may feel in your throat at the big emotional climax but that convention conventionally when seen from an underrepresented perspective can suddenly look quietly radical for all the broad comic shenanigans. The movie has to lead performances. That are emotionally complex. and consistent. From moment to moment. Mackenzie davis who showed chameleon mike range movies like tully and the tv show halt and catch. Fire is entirely believable as the intense not always sympathetic harper by contrast abbey's mellow go with the flow vibe nicely modulated swirling around her as always. You never catch kristen. Stewart acting and you never tire company. It's not surprising when abby feeling neglected by harper forges a connection with riley who turns out to have been harper's first girlfriend riley is played by the whip. Smart aubrey plaza. And i have to admit that part of me wouldn't have minded seeing abby and riley get together and take off a different movie might have gone that edgier route rather than the sweet cinematic comfort food. That happiest season turns out to be justin. Chang is film critic for the la times. He reviewed happiest season. Now streaming on hulu on tomorrow's show terry talks with actor hugh grant for his roles in films such as four weddings and a funeral. Bridget jones diary about a boy and music and lyrics. He's currently starring with nicole kidman in the hbo limited series. The undoing. hope you can join us. Fresh air's executive producer is danny miller. Our technical director engineer is audrey bentham with additional engineering. Help today from the martinez. Our interviews and reviews are produced an edited by amy salad. Phyllis myers roberta shorrock. Sam brigger lauren. Crendall heidi soman and marie ball. Denardo the challenged. 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"Pushed up so high because they don't have a threat so when you don't have a threat you like. We we can. We can afford to take these risks because WHO's going to hurt us. And then couvert Kouros dismissing him those Montero toasted Ricketts. They had no Andy Roso for a team. That still is is largely even with all their players, going to have to prove themselves in and fight their way up the table. I would guess and wasn't picked at all coming into this that it to go and undermanned and to get off to a good start like that, but that's partly why I think. It was so disappointing that they weren't able to get even a point out of this. Even if they would've left with a draw I think you can say all right well, The inexperience showed late Both. I think the defending on the Shea Salinas goal. They continued to retreat and retreat retreat into their own box and a credit shea for putting them on their heels and a guy when he has bought his feet. You're going to backpedal naturally, but at some point you have to confront him outside the box. Take a foul whatever it is, and in that moment I thought some of their as well as a couple. Others I thought their inexperience show. Coming off at epic game talked to someone who was their Shea Salinas the goal scoring champion, the goalscoring winner Shea thanks for joining us. How's it going? Yeah, it's gone. Thanks for having me guys. I'm a little sleepy. Allow Sleep last night. but I got an APP coming up after this, so I'm like. Okay I I gotta ask after a win like that What does the after party look like in the ball? And the bubble, we played darts till like five in the morning. There's a non alcoholic heinekens in our frigerator. No one touch those. We just played a lot of darts. Shave eighth order to Dartboard, so she did say you're sitting on the bench. And you're watching Vancouver. Go up two zero. What was going through your mind? Oh Man our team. Will. Pass two times play Vancouver. They've scored I and we beat him. Both Times three one time so when they score the first goal I was like okay here. We go again no big deal when I score the second one that one was just crazy. CRAZY BREAKAWAY OFF OF FAR CORNER KICK scenario. So that that was disheartening, we get one right absolute score. No problem I think three one was the one that kind of threw us off guard but this team I. Mean We? We've built ourselves off being a team that perseverance through adversity even come into this whole experience. Where like look, this isn't GonNa stop us from our style, our system so. When we tied at three, three, thousand expected, and when we when we want it. That was just cherry on top. I don't want to focus on this, but you mentioned it so should. We should ask questions two zero. About the twentieth minute you guys put about ten guys in the box for a corner kick There was a fulfill counter. 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And then when the rest pursued, a any almost got back. What. He was cruel at the end. The Guy covers so much ground in a game impressive in the heat like and then for it to come off you for an own goal. Disheartening I find that interesting because you said all right well. We're GONNA play the same way, and and you know the other big mistake was vega playing out of the back. It. Seems like you've committed to playing out of the back. Overall in general and Almeida came out, and said afterwards that he was really proud of the group for basically not putting their head down, but like fighting back for to cover your teammates mistakes. You've been around a long time. You know you think of yourself and Wando and all the moments you guys have had in the past. It also feels like that character may become forward into this new iteration of the team. How have you seen that tick shape? Yeah I mean what I love most about Martinez as a player. Lot of coaches might thirteen years I. Think I've had like fifteen coaches ridiculous but what I love about him the Moses. All the coaches say let's play out of the back what he says it. We make a mistake. WE'RE STILL GONNA plan back scored on four times. We're still GONNA. Play out of the back and he says if you mess up, it's not on you. It's on me like. Let let the people attack me for my system. You guys keep trying it. So that just gives you confidence as a player like Vega makes that State that leads to goal, and then we continue to give him ball and continue to play out of the back, and so it just gives him confidence. It gives us all confidence to keep playing I know that he's GonNa. He's GonNa. Take the brunt of the criticism. You like you said you've played in this league longtime when teams do make adjustments, 'cause they know all right. You're back, matter what if they force you? They literally. Team players in your defensive third. Was the game plans it just okay now. Let's play deep or let's play behind or is it? We're still going to try and break you down. Play out of the back. I've been in situations where you are just kind of like all right. This team was pay back. We know how to press them. We will cause turnovers. I think the combination I think. We practice where we play for before inside our eighteen or five before recount the goalie insider eighteen and we work on just possessing the ball in our eighteen, and so that's something we do in practice, so we're kind of prepared for a team to press like that it also thirteen to push up and go one be one That's kind of what we want. We practice all the time. like always do every Tuesday and so if the team press goes WANNA, be one I think we have the confidence to hit it to Baako or a Andy Reid s up top, and then beyond behold turn their gyn. Catch them on the counter. which would be great. I can see Charleen. KAYLA ARE GONNA. Show up for Tuesday trainings just to do one V one. Ones. Called me. What are the battles? Won't be one. I mean I think you went maybe one before on. A. And what what were you thinking? Take us through that moment. I mean we saw the madness that happened afterwards. What did you see on that play? I think I I picked the ball up. Round midfield in seemed like. Things just kept opening up My first thought was that the guy behind is going gonNA foul me. I was just trying to get into the box and maybe draw foul and. Kind of party and I met A to my right and hit it far post he got a toll on it, and it somehow bounces right in front of me. thankfully and I was able to. Get on it, and it went through copious legs when she was amazing the whole night. So it was it was a crazy run, but the whole time I'm running I'm like hey, be ready to absorb contact and. And hopefully get a penalty kick and then. She's parted got score. You've been a part of some pretty wild finishes. The goonies of course everything that's ever happened at Stanford Stadium. Is that what it felt like last night? You mentioned that culture is. Is this the second coming? Is this goonies part to I? Don't know the sequel name I don't know if there was sequel to that movie. It's It is a mentality I think we have. They were willing to fight. Until the very end. We felt it last night even halftime or down three one or two one and we say hey. This game's GonNa go. Hundred minutes. Let's let's be ready for it. We're fit, were ready and so yeah I think. Scoring late. Can Be. It's going to happen in this tournament. Five subs defenders are getting tired. It's going to happen a lot. You talk about Jacksonville and what he means to your team. Is he more like he's a he? The fulcrum does. Want everything to be played with him because it seems like he dropped Steve. He's always getting. The ball finds good spots. He talked about his progress in what he what he means to your your squad. Yeah. Jackson's been incredible to watch developed over the last three years. from being like a real technical pretty passer to now. He's gritty getting in tackles. He covers probably the second most ground on the team behind Judson. So He's always getting on the ball into right. He's he's. For our team, we try to find him the ball as much as possible. Um We let them make the decisions, and then we offer that. Hasn't gone as you said exactly as planned. You were the first team down in Florida because you weren't able to train, so there's a lot of question marks of. Fluids, your team would be fit. You'd be very sitting on four points. It's probably I don't mean to jinx enough to get through to next already Where do you guys feel at like coming out of that game yesterday? Besides the competitive darts? What's the conversation in the team? Yeah I think we're. We're happy with how things are. We became into the bubble with a big disadvantage I. Think were the last team to do a team training together our first time to play eleven eleven I. Think was four months. Prior was our last time to do it so it was a long break of not playing real soccer, which is difficult, but our our and didn't made in job staying fit. We came in for the bubble really fit, so we could go straight into be eleven. And? That's really what most of our practices are now. Just playing Levin side getting used to playing again. So charleen Kayla come for all of training that. Elected. On that note I'll. Just watching. ICEPACK. Lot laws is that's. So. We've. Now on this sorry Kalem but on goal. Goals a huge moment, but I think what's everyone remembers celebration one. What was the reaction in energy felt like an emmy last cup win and to. Could you breathe afterwards because of whatever was being? Here, and vicinity. Yeah, who was that and 'cause? That was all over social media. Who was that and That's our physiology kinesiology guy and he is hilarious like the comedian and the whole locker room, and that was the cold spray. The knock on the Shin. Magic's. Breed soon as I go down. I knew it was going to be crazy I just didn't get injured so I'm like bald. And it was, it was amazing, but I also was worried because they're still couple of minutes left. I couldn't breathe on like someone marked. My Guy didn't the Guy Mark I don't remember his name. He's like seven foot tall on my. Please don't kick it over here. Please don't kick it over. Thankfully they went to the other side. Yeah Theo bear did not get goal, but you handled it well. I'm looking forward. You've got one more game in the group. Stage I'm saying you're already into the knockouts as well. What have you learned so far being down there? Because you have been down there? The longest you're one of the few teams have played two games. Like what should fans know about the playing experience? Get, it's it's It's eerie. The Games are kind of quiet. You can only hear teammates screaming, so that's weird, but the humidity is real like it's. It's A. It's an adjustment factor geyser cramping guys dehydrated. I think it was really a great idea for Matias four subs. All four of US came on fresh legs, and I think that just. Kinda demoralized their defense. The at the into games are are big impact moments and. I like that. Reminds me of college soccer just. Just like a whole bank of substitution. Final one to close you out of course allows scores office shoulder in the middle of the box. That bounces between three guys classic, Wando? He has left the door open a little now on the I'm gonNA retire, but the season is weird and July sixteenth twenty twenty one and we're going to talk about Wando scoring goals off his nose, and his back and his ear or another year. Yeah I. Think I mean he's. He loves to compete. Every time we do small sided games are let me let and he's screaming. Everyone getting everyone motivated. He wants to win more than ever. So I think he would miss it too much. He left so I think he's GonNa play. I think for more years than just next Jerry. Outlast him I'm trying to help last. Hey you guys are doing a pretty good job. You can't outlast. That doesn't exist. He's an entity, not just a person. He's A. He's a whole experience. At this point Shea, Salinas the game winning goal against the Vancouver whitecaps the best goal. We've seen in this competition so far just as he always does need waiting. We gotta ask one last thing. The comparisons to Messi We've been seeing this aisle over the playoff. The right footed messy. Do you embrace this new this new title? Messy is there's no messy, even though we do share birthdays June twenty-fourth. He's a year younger than I. Am. This this, is it. The June. Late June birthdays check. So yeah, that's it's. It's a he's alleged. It's a I think it's a funny joke. I don't think it's. On that note either Leo Salinas or shame messy. We appreciate you taking the time to come on with US enjoy the rest of the tournament. We've had fun watching you so far safe. Good luck in the bubble recover. Thanks for taking the time. Thanks guys. Congratulations to Shea Salinas, San Jose for that victories, and on first place in the group, and of course that amazing goal, our eighteenth call to the field which Shea, but before we get away from this game. Kaelin stood out to me and we mentioned it before the interview positively from these coaches coming out of a game. That was quite honestly bonkers. What's your thought of the reaction? And and the way that it was analyzed coming out of this performance, understandable in the sense that it look a really emotional when you could feel it from from Shea and the group in the way they celebrated I. Just I think there will be. Some learnings though there are, there should be at least because. I think some in some ways. The expectations for both of these teams, neither of them made the playoffs last year last year, but I think for San Jose in particular, the expectations should probably be higher. No right like that's the only way to really improve and we've seen other managers. Like I I'm thinking like Jim Curtin. His team is winning one nil to one and still saying hey, guys like that. We need to do better Bernie come out. We need to come out of this group and set the standard bit higher and for me. When I look at that match, there were just some pretty. Some pretty bad mistakes that were made and lack of organization and look, it's a new. It's hard when you just kind of like. Turn the lights on this is a guided meditation on parenting. Take a deep breath in and let go of the time you and your son played basketball, and you attempted to slam dunk, or when you hit that Pinata into your neighbor's yard. Let him go. You don't have to be perfect to be a perfect parent. 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I'm not sure how much I'm not sure how positive I would feel if I were a player on those jeans and say like besides just the emotion to getting that win and the kind of crazy way it happened when you're thinking at a deeper level about the way it happened, and why it was so difficult you made it a lot harder on yourself than ever needed to be so yes, slot mistakes wasn't getting broken down a lot of times. It was just. Bad goals giving up in sometimes bad recognition of what was going on, especially on the Judson, own-goal, we move on from there to another kind of wild game to start out Thursday morning nine am. Breakfast and soccer, we had FC Cincinnati against Atlanta Jake Moreni two yellow cards in twenty six minutes because y'all get out of there early. If you're GONNA hit the breakfast buffet, instill get some potatoes. Those things go fast. Some rainy got himself out of there and then Frankie Amaya with the winner Charles Positive then we can go to Atlanta or struggling to deliver burritos in this time because of the chaos that was. was caused by land. United Fox Gibson on twitter and we got some amazing questions on twitter. He's going to be sprinkled all through the rundown every show. It's your guys what you WanNa. Hear so you know everyone out there. Guys, girls, everyone. Send us what you want to hear. Fox gives love to hear your thoughts Frankie Maya, his hustle in general drive during matches and his first goal today for the club. Frank, my is is. One of those players was surprised me with his knowledge of the game and his movement it so getting in between those lines. He has a great first touch, which is not always the case with youngsters right now so I touch awareness, but now we're seeing an end product. I didn't know he could take a touch and set himself up with a left-footed shot, and Bennett around Brag Zahn from from distance that adds a lot to a players, game and being able to finish outside the box as well as connect combined play one-twos switched point of attack. He's shown. That can be a complete player as well as defend being so small. Cease still able to defend and get physical and uses body well. Those are all encouraging signs for a young midfielder in major league soccer so I'm really high on him because you can see. He has a high potassium high ceiling, and this is a player that is really I. Think taking the right steps towards being able to maximize his potential angry in Cincinnati a team that that is likely still in flux like there's GonNa be Yup stom-. Anytime you've new manager. Come in. He's filling out now who he wants to keep. We wants to move on From and when you look at young pieces. He's one that you could potentially build around. Around or that can be at least a part of it for years and years to come, and you're starting to see other players, maybe who are revealing themselves as important pieces will see you're gonNA at some point of course come in Joe I, thought was really good, especially in this first match or in the second match against Anna United you start to see okay. Maybe that's a little triangle or you start to see these small pieces connecting the Dumbo Kunia. He's got. He had some nice moments as well but more than anything. I I thought the way I'm set up to. His decision to sit back and defend and he said in the Presser afterwards like let's just be realistic about where we're at you. Lose four nil, and some coaches might go out and be like what we're going to. We're not going to sit back. We're GONNA. Go after Atlanta United to and I don't think that would have gone well. So even with the man up they they stuck to their guns and I think would have been happy to take point, but ended up finding a nice little moment from Frankie Maya to to take all three. Rows, I'd just want to say like. Like killing said. This is like a training experiment. These are these are all you know ways for Yop stom- to figure out how I'm going to move forward. Where's our strengths and weaknesses? He's this is all new to him, so he asked to experiment yesterday. Try Different things. One is maybe okay. Let's go all out attack. Today we lost four nil were just going to sit and defend. Who can defend? Who can tough it out? Out For ninety minutes in this heat in this climate in this environment verse an Atlanta Sad that has a lot of players who can break you down. One be one were supposed to break. You down won't be one so I WANNA see how how how much grit some of these guys have. How much how determined are they to defend? And if we get lucky count, are we score for setpiece great? But he he got up performance out of Francia and got a goal, and they're able to win one zero. Even though they're up man, they released and said we're going to defend. We're going to try and see if you guys can break us down and Atlanta united just weren't able to do it. And to Kayla of or yours of his intelligence and his touch, and what he can do, there's a lot of moving pieces. The things he does will fit around anyone so whether it's him. Diong or Medina or someone comes in six months the things he can do fit in with any of those players, and so you'd think he's going to be on that team sheet at. At least for the next year closing outside Cincinnati a great result. Let's go to the other side Matt Sharon on twitter says much of these Atlanta performances do you attribute to Joseph's absence? And how much is unpredictable and the lack of quality in the squad? The front office overhauled over the last two seasons so three elements there Joseph missing to bore, and then maybe the. Way The squad was set up over the last two years, which is either on Bocanegra eels or to bore. You can make your choice Charlie I. Present the floor to you. Thank you very much. All across the globe. Was Look at certain teams certain clubs where Bay depend on one player, you can see Barcelona. When they have messy, they play entirely different. They're vulnerable. They don't play the same and La. United depends on Joseph. Martinez they play through him. He is the finisher. They played four him. It's Joseph Martinez when he's off the pitch. It's an entirely different team and he. Can hide the deficiencies of Atlanta. United, so he matt. He can mask those problems. You think we're playing fine. We're playing a certain way because at the end of the day you get Joseph Martinez. A chance he finishes, and you can win three two. You can win two one. You can win one zero. You may not play well. With with him in the lineup, you always have a chance. As there's a danger without him on the field, there is no danger teams don't look at united the same way. No offense to Adam John, but he's not Joseph Martinez. He's not GonNa do anything that does marking at Tina's can. Do you have to play a certain way for him to have a chance on goal? You have to Sir you get him service into a box and it has to be in the air. Because on the ground, he is not making the same type of movements in the boxes Joseph Martinez, he cannot beat. You won't be one with the ball at his feet, so those are different aspects of players game that you have to completely change the way a team plays to feed a striker and Joseph PD Martinez as well as Ezekiel Barco. They have to figure out ways to to play together and combined because they don't have Joseph Martinez to create space for them, so they have to create space for their for themselves with combination play. Teams know that, so it's like okay. Let's double PD. Let's go Barco. Let's force them into bad decisions. Let's forced them to try and do too much. That's what we see Pretty Martinez doing. He's he's trying to do too much because he feels like it's on him to make up for the loss or the absence of Joseph. Martinez and they are struggling mightily because of it. Thank you. He's right, absolutely right 'cause as really it's also it's really about the threat in behind to where you saw Barco and PT, and they like having they like it underneath. They liked the ball at their feet. They want where they find their joy and they create. Joseph occupies so much of the mind. Space of of the centrebacks occupied two times three players the center you know the six is going to have to keep an eye on him as well and so that creates knocked down second balls opportunities in space where you can get those guys running with a little bit more space, but yeah pity. Martinez has has grown I thought and had a really. Really good start to the year, and even in the opening match he cannot times breakdown, one or two players at a time on own the issue is it's it's only on him. That's that's just like what you're waiting for, and he doesn't have that Carlos. Vela type magic where bell may be do it all on his own in a moment, even him. He has a system around him. That fits and. And without Joseph is starting to expose some of those things, Charlie was saying as far as those cracks in the pavement that he would totally Madagascar. Cover up where you don't have nagy anymore. You don't have G- wrestle anymore. You don't have the Gonzales Peres anymore. You don't have be Alba Partners Alba Yeah you're missing? All these pieces is completely different team. Still I think when he comes back. Back it will be, it will look like Atlanta united in a way because he is just that important flair, and can cause those types of problems, but until then I think it's going to be a more of this. To Your Point, L. AFC didn't have valid. They scored three goals. They didn't win, but they still scored three goals. That's the system that's created with Atlanta. It's you don't have Joseph. Yet to score in this competition. Throw in something. If Joseph Martinez is on the field. You also have a vocal leader who will tell players. Enough is enough. We're sitting back against Cincinnati team. Who is content with having eleven players within forty yards of their own goal. They're just going to sit back. Let's press. Let's get higher up the field I'm going to borrow it I'm GonNa Yell? I'M GONNA scream at every single player until they do their job until we get that goal until we start getting chances and and generating opportunities. You don't have that so now. We saw the match. Even though there's no fans, and you can hear everything, strength, work, and just say hey, everybody up. I don't WanNa see anyone in our own house. Everyone press i. But you could see. They were dropping off against a team who was very content with even being up a man, sitting back and park in the bus they were going to park the bus for ninety minutes and Atlan United Never took initiative to just say. We're GONNA. We're GONNA do it San. Jose did and just commit everybody forward because. WHO's GonNa Break Down in Cincinnati kill one. They have the players to. Break you down and bigger with pace and get him behind I. Mean Jau Jau Ken when I think he gets fit, and he gets enough minutes back under his belt, because he's been out for such an extended amount of time with injuries, but Cincinnati really wasn't going to hurt you. So why not take a chance in a risk? especially with the though the standings, they have zero points. that. There's this was the best opportunity for them to say you know what? Everybody forward, everybody. Let's Greg Cartwright Greg Hartmann it tough for sure, but I agree with you that I mean. He sets the tone for that jazz and sets the personality. Can you imagine how mad he was if? He's not when they win and he doesn't get a goal. I watched pedia and Barco play. They get frustrated, but it's more about their. It's like the rest of the team is trying to keep them involved. There keep their head up as opposed to being like hey. We, this all has to be better from all of us eat. He is I think his presence is missed out of course play, but I think in his personality as well credits Tom Understanding the situation as you said Kaelin and keeping his lines clean on his team. They defended much better than they did. they had an idea. They knew what they wanted to do and they got a one. One Zero Win, so they moved to three points in the group new. York Red Bulls in Columbus. 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They're used to the climate, but to actually show. Hey, we're the top team in this group right now. That is something else entirely. Different Wall done Orlando. Up for it like look at some of that, honestly in this tournament just comes down to that. It's just who is motivated. Lose willing to go out there on a hot night and put everything you have into it, and you can see from I. Think they road that we talked about in any tournament. How important at first matches and that emotional win from the ninety winner in the ninety seventh minute I think really pushed them on an goes. Prayer makes the choice. Choice to go with the same lineup the same eleven in the next match, which is risk right? But they came out and got those early goals, and then we're able to make the right substitutions late He's been very hands on. Even in the water breaks you watch for, and he's out the tactics board, and what the Dodson figuring out organizing the team and for a new manager new team he the hands on approach I think is really working and. Look. This Orlando team has been so up and down over the years, so any sort of semblance of like continuity consistency in their play is is really good block as new managers all across the League right now are trying. It's one thing to have your system and your tactics and your ideas, but if you're not getting results in, you're not seeing it work Cincinnati a good example today to. It's going to create some belief where they are. Are I. I'm going to follow the sky because what he's doing is getting me goals. If you're Chris, Mueller are what he's doing is keeping a clean sheet and so I. Think Yeah I. Echo Charlie statements. I think praise been an Orlando. They've been the surprise of the tournament. It's fascinating to think what the center forward position is on that team when you have so much goalscoring in Noni, and now Chris Miller is doing. Around that like you don't because that was one of the things coming into, it was kind of had a set up in Praia gone as a way to win in tough games, and in tough environments in their home, but where the goalscoring come from, and it's come from those two wings, and that's fine because he's world-class player in Chris. Miller can be a goal. Goal Score Daniel clearly on twitter wants to know just crispier legit shot at the US. T given how he's played his growth and his success so far in the. That's what everyone's talking about. Tuesday night Kaelin was on twitter, watching this game with a bunch of other people. That's what Kaelin was talking about What do you guys think? Has that much resist who? Kill what. How did this come about and 'cause? I. Don't WanNa. I don't WanNa jump to conclusions and want to say something that is taken out of context, but. How how did it come to be as far as the conversation bashing team? Have you been on twitter before? Anybody's. Did you, did you start it or not? Someone tweet it, and then you talked about how that begin in I was on stream with like six fans from different countries, watching watching the match, and we talked about literally every everything down for like two hours. which was really fun shot out to the Kula Gins and Orlando. UK rocks a WHO Radio Guy Ardo. Income. But yeah, I think anytime. We see I mean we were literally starved for Well actually I dunno some days I feel star for young town other days on my. Guys are banging in goals. Europe, so we're going to. But I I think when you look at the wing position. There is a case to be made and there I think our house been one for a while He's got some intangibles that Kinda jump off page, but he hasn't maybe had the consistency or put together, but are or tangible. Excuse me tangible where he's got that speed and technical ability but look at look at the list of bringers that have gotten call ups. Jonathan, Lewis I like a lot Corey bear WHO's The kid from? Turkey was lying in Turkey Tyler boy. Tyler boy, thank you very much There's been I. Mean Criminal Dawn has been used on the wing which I'm not sure as best position of Sara Lee, so I mean we have yes Christian air and I think Jordan Morris and you have some good pieces, but I don't see why Chris. Miller couldn't be part of that conversation. Charlie do you think that you just think it's too early or you thought okay Yep far too early. On just two matches in the his back turned, but let's talk to Kaelin's Point Jonathan. Lewis is not a starter in MLS, and he made two appearances at of January camp, yeah. If? He continues this way all right now. The whole team is January tempting Charlie so, let's. Just saying. We haven't really seen the full national team yet and. When you're talking about players right now, who are playing? What whether it's just imposed whether it's a Weston mckennie weather's Tyler Adams whether it's Gio Raina I mean these are players were playing at the highest level and starting on their clubs, and there's no doubt like these players are first teamers. A US. Men's national team players and are are setting kind of like okay. This is what what is expected. When you play for US MS Ashton. You're playing on your club and you're playing your well your inform. I think for the. Winner in the back news on about the next tier players. I think there's a is obviously a youthful US men's national team. Because we're in the situation, we're in where twenty twenty two. I think the majority of that team had no world. Cup, Experience Yeah not. That's that's rare. You never hear that. Every World Cup has a a number of flares leftover from the previous cycle. That help you adjust learn. No, you know to expect in a World Cup. They're there to kind of help. Coach. You and mentally prepare you for what's going to come even world. Cup qualifying we might not have did. And under US or This. This could be considered the golden generation for the national team because this team will all grow together I think that's why it's important, and like I said, it could be if they make the Olympic qualify for man. I really got Charlie off on attach. All the players that actually come together and Metal because if you have all those players you talking about the players who are playing in Europe right now. We have a squat. And then that team carries onto World Cup qualifying. They'd get to World Cup and twenty twenty two, which I don't think there'd be very high expectations, but two thousand twenty six. Now you team with all experience, the World Cup's year. And guys are playing in Europe, and or playing and winning. You know, have the the winning pedigree now to the warrant a shop so Yeah, I would say Mueller A. Long Answer. He's got a ways to go before we start talking about. Okay I think Chris Miller is in the pool because everyone's in the pool because there is no pool right now, and rumors that Lay Rama's from Mexico Argentina thirty year, old striker is linked with Orlando, so we'll see what happens there. Before we get away from this game and we preview the twenty twenty six world cup for the next two hours. My CFC real quick. Be. Eight not won a game. They've scored one goal in twenty twenty. They are last in the group, which is never really a super impressive thing alongside Minter Miami team. That obviously Sports Kaelin Carbo. Besides that is struggling right now for minutes, and whatever else I guess we have this point which is. We already talked about Atlanta NYC AFC struggled. We will talk about Seattle in just a moment had struggled as well, and then we saw L. AFC and T.f, sort of struggling their games, not at the same level. Who are you talking about? What you were trying to say, we'll get there. Don't worry. Charlie will have his moment. Charlie will have his moment I swear. Which team are you most worried about? What do you see from NYC AFC? I be concerned. If I were in last year. I mean obviously they are. It doesn't take much there the. They Ha, it's partly I. Think Jim Curtains said on Heading into the tournament that NYC AFC may be the best team in East on paper and I would agree with that. I think when you look top to bottom not roster and you see that the talent that they have that everybody we all like put him either close to put them either close the top, or or is it going to the preseason rankings which we no matter, so much but yeah they. They just haven't looked the same now part of it I think. Think was There's always going to be an adjustment period when you have a new manager. Even they'll make Toronto who event eventually turned things around and got them playing fantastic stockard top these last year, had a really rough start, and this hasn't been an easy situation to come into as a new manager where you have this beginning of the season, and then months off and comes in, but everybody's dealing with that and you have a lot of really good pieces to play with. Andre Blake makes a good save a first match. That's I think a big difference where a bare doesn't get that goal, and then in the second match. You don't have your best player. Maximum Morales and we went through all of the talk over Joseph Martinez, and what Atlanta United, how important one player can be into a team and Maxim Morales to me fits squarely in that category, so I'm not going necessarily to like all is lost year I probably would have made a couple. Couple of different changes they changed for Arnson at the beginning of the half at half time, and I think pushing stands up would have been better from the start or maybe going with Jeetan Park somebody, who can you get on the ball a little bit more and help them blood He's still figuring out that roster and I'm not sure I'm ready to call it the end of the world. Although that's a fun thing to do to. If you're a New, York fan so. So it is the end of the world, but that's up on NYC CFC you mentioned Jim Curtain. Let's talk about the Philadelphia Union? Billy Union the second team to qualify for the knockout stage. They are to know in this competition, Kaelin. Could anyone have seen this coming? Well I think I did pick them I picked them. Actually doing the whole thing. and I'm feeling pretty good about that. mainly because of their the results top of the group. I predicted them to be top of the group because. Mainly because while I liked the team, the blend of youth experience all that good stuff, but I think mainly the fact that they were the only team with returning head coach, returning manager, and I think continuity when you have a tournament where you just of flip the lights on This is a team that can do that pretty easily. because it's not just about the depth is about understanding the depth. Depth and how to use it and already done a pretty good job of that. We haven't seen their best. And the best teams get results and begin to grow through the tournament and I think we're GONNA. See more of that as we go. We haven't really seen Sergio Santos yet what he can do. Bilko is already scoring lying well Brennan Aronson I. Think has been really bright, but I think there's even. Even more to come from him, and then you have Alabama who you know in a tough match in that first game in the morning gets a goal when you need them and I think that sort of blend works now they've given up a little bit They've given up some space in the back where they've given opportunities where they haven't been punished. That Inter Miami. specialty was a bit wasteful there and And that's something that a good team as you move on past the group stage will on issue for and then Andre Blake has had a couple of amazing moments, but then also a little bit shakey still coming off the line, so they sort those little small things down I think they will be in a really good position and primed to go to go deep, and maybe even make me look smart enough. I'M GONNA. Agree with you just on. A team with leadership when we talk about our hundred and what he brings to the table. 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Motivate guys when they need it and then deliver like on a nine am game. Shows are big time moments and callous for teams to win, and so whether it's should go sometimes not looking like he's polished in the final third, and then the second game looks like he's now getting a little bit of his sharpness back Sergio Santos be milled being able to stretch the field at certain times. Get making those good runs and Brennan. aaronson has made such a jump with his decision. Making is is progresses runs his awareness. I think he's really taking a proper steps fulfilling potential when you talk about guys who are looking prime candidates to make an impact on us. The US men's national team and getting an opportunity that's been aaronson. That's a young player who has taken the proper strives who deserves a a call up and deserves a look I think Gregg Berhalter, watching him and saying hey, this guy is is really grasping what I what I want for my players and I've got a question already ranger's game, but do you think that because we've seen the emergence of of some young players abroad right now in? Philly wants to move some of these young players on at some point. It's a strange year, but you feel like that time is sooner or later for Aronson to make that jump. Sooner. After seeing the growth from last year this year, I would say sooner because he got that initial cop so US national team and looks like he's really understanding how to have success in the areas of his game. That needed work. Because it was always you knew what you were going to get from you know I started training with him when he was fifteen I want to say and I saw okay. He's got the confidence. He's got the engine. He can run all over the place and gift from box to box but is he clean with his decision? Making is first touches awareness. Is it just kinda running all over the place or is there running with purpose now? Now I see he's running with a purpose whether it's to create space for himself whether it's to get into an area because leftback right back of the opponent was vacated that space. He knows I can get it there, and then I can create something for someone else or from himself, and how he can shoot from distance, he can combined he has he has good first touch. I'm seeing all those little things that he's fine tuned to make game overall better because he works on both sides of the ball, and now he can be a difference maker Philadelphia Union where in the past year just Oh, it's a young guy getting experience and not really is not going to really. Add. That final touches not gonNA. Create that final chance. Get that final shot. Now you're seeing okay. He is a difference maker he can. He can get us a goal or it can create a goal. And his movement has been fantastic. Season for him. We hope a big tournament so far so Philly to no. They moved into first place alongside Orlando. Who will play in the final game? That'll be fun to watch and remember four best third-placed teams get through so three points four, NYC, AFC or Miami in that last matchup could be the difference between going home and getting through, so no team in this competition is really going to be out of it until you've played all three of your game, so those coming up as well next week. Let's move into another game. Nine am between the Chicago fire and Seattle sounders monks. Between the fire, and the Seattle, sounders unexpectedly at nine am, let's start with the fire. Robert Barrett Vantage Marianas mistake still had a ton of work to do the Croix the finish. It was pretty robbery. Come on the show 'cause we invited you, but we didn't hear back, so we'd love for you to come on another time. He's not gonNA. Come on now. You call them out I. Mean I didn't call him out. I don't know how it happened. I'm just saying here that they didn't hear back yet. Okay, so there's you're still open air. Stuff sometimes, you know there's a lot of different elements so. He's got a lot going on Kevin. Richardson says Chicago Fire better than you guys predicted question-mark well. I I picked them to go through the group. Actually so how about that? I? Don't want to go to your itching you. Know once they switch once. They switched grew. and. I'm not I'm not sure I would have said not sure I had a great reason why I think they they have I like some of the pieces that I saw earlier in the season. You mentioned Berridge I think he's a guy that has been shown to be a finisher I don't think he's really created a partnership. Yet was CJ Sabang I don't know if they've quite figured out how those? Those two pieces are going to work together so that's something that they surely need to work on I. I didn't see a ton. Look more solid in the back and then one on a separate, the ironic part to me was. They thought they won this match. In the same way that Seattle usually does. They were just a little bit more alert. They were There was just. Just the long clearance. Where Eric, just Arianna goes to sleep and misjudges the balance and then next thing you know. He's getting trucked by Barrett. Who's got shows the strength, but then also composure afterwards when he goes against Marta kind of cut it and put it on his left foot, so then the setpiece, and that's a place where the sounders are always been so good, so those two little. Little small plays on on a hot morning, put Chicago on front so uncharacteristic from Seattle and now with that result would just go in the other way with San Jose getting a win that kind of put for A. I think it's put them behind it now. They could go through potentially maybe as the third seed still, but they're going to. Basically a must win now against Vancouver. Cascadia Cup team that they have to win as you mentioned it, Barish, really good goal. That's what you're looking for for your EP talked about strikers carrying teams in a competition like this, you also mentioned the mistake from August is been here for about a year. It wasn't the easiest way to come in, but this team in Seattle. That's been built on Quality Playa centreback position in their time of. Of Success from John Marshall Touro `Mantorras that can key he Marciel getting adjusted Machar Ariake has struggled he struggled physically. He's struggled in decision. Making is struggled in placement and reading balls off the ground It does not seem to be perfect for Seattle coming to this one a team as MLS Cup champion for turning a ton of starters, but I think a lot was expected of. No! You're right and our yoga also had plenty of mistakes in San Jose game, and and wasn't punished nearly causing a penalty on Boko a late M. in the box, but Overall you have to be disappointed if you're a sounder fan. This is the defending Unless Cup champions. You have roll radius. You have Nicole a darrow. If you spent in criminal, Don Join Morris Zaks Steph Stephan fry I mean you have a ton of talent and experience the no reason whatsoever. That, you should not be getting results. And or playing the way you are, which was? Of, course is the climate is difficult. Every team has to face the heat and the humidity, but to defend and sit back and concede possession every match two teams that should not be able to keep the ball I the talent that you have. There's no explanation and you talk about young players getting an opportunity. A SHANDON OPIO comes into the Game Shannon hope you only played forty five minutes in the first half. To to be used as a scapegoat or or an excuse to not win? Is. Is just as as it's unheard of I mean. How could you use a player who's supposed to? Play in in a system surrounded by experienced players is is how you would envision the perfect opportunity to give a young player when you have players who are experienced and talented and have championship pedigree when you talk about Roy, Dias Nicholas Darrow Gustaf's fence criminal on all these players around you to help you succeed. and. That's when you WANNA give a young player chance with all the experienced players around him to help them up to give the correct instructions. It doesn't go well. It doesn't go well. You make a change. They did it forty five minutes. That is not an excuse. When you lose the game, that is not an excuse because you have everybody else. And they can either pick up the slack or you bring in. Somebody also did Jordan. Morris came in the game to still get a result so when you lose against Chicago fire I, don't WanNa Heroes I was using young players are as experience because Hendra WanNa came in? Who's twenty three years old and he got the goal so. That excuse goes completely out the window I'm I'm disappointed in the Seattle? sounders because I know the the the talent they have. They need to be a little bit more aggressive. And they need to go and. Establish dominance in possession in the attacking house, press teams and get something out of it because they had the players to do it, and it's a it's feels like a disservice, a little bit of a disservice to the players and the fans when just sitting back and defending and looking to only counter when they can counter 'cause they had the players, but they also have the players to keep possession and make teams chase. Whether it's for ninety minutes whether it's for sixty minutes whether forty five minutes, they have the players that they can change the way they play throughout the game, and I would like to see them be able to utilize their strengths a little bit more. Those talented players in the attacking half should be involved in the game more than they have. Gianpaolo of course supposed to be a big part of that is unhealthy for this one, but it's hard to complain about anything. Seattle's done over the last five years with the success they had. They keep talking about consistency and full seasons. And this year they came out. They lost and CC L. to Olympia at home. Then they went a couple of games. And now we're here at the MLS is back tournament and they have struggled so far, but as we said, no team is out and until you've played your last game. Because of the way, the third place is set up. Let's go to. To another big team last game to look at look back at here who end up and down experience, but exciting game L. AFC three three against Houston. HOUSTON GETS OUT TO A two to zero lead Charlie the floor is yours you, can you? Can you want, but it does seem a little bit early, but you were. I got about twelve shifts. Email text to me throughout that game of you. You're. Doing good, you know what? Everybody was waiting for it because they I know I've got a ton of techs in tweet saying Oh, I know Charlie's dancing right now, 'cause he called the about Houston. and. It scoreboard baby. Ninety minutes would say it was so easy because look how they're setup. Tab has a good sense of how this team could be successful playing to their strengths, and when you look at this Houston Dynamo team, it's pretty simple. Let's work on our lines and defending similar to what Cincinnati did today against Lanna. Let's Defend I. First and foremost. Let's not legal goals. Let's not be a team that's going to make all these mistakes and our in our own half and lose games because of it, so let's try and defend. L. AFC is the best team in the League all right? They're missing cost, but they're still the best thing really. Play through Alberta lease play through moral. Minolta's playthrough Darwin Concerto. Three players who can hurt teams on their own? And when you talk about pace and strength and one V one ability, Albert's lease is up there with the best players in this league. He will expose you and it. Maybe it takes, it will take you on a defender six times, and maybe four or five. That defender works out with that one time. He's getting by you as he's going to punish you and I think we've seen him grow because. In a lot of games throughout the years I've watched them play number us. He always gets to be an line. He always gets in front of the goal, and that final shot is not on target or that final ball is misses the mark. Now he's. 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AFC. They go down early. Bob Bradley said in the Post Game. We don't want to give up goals, but we're also. We're GONNA. Play the way we're GONNA. Play thing at this point we've learned. Football has a right wrong and Bob's in the right, and he's going to continue to push that and they are entertaining. They talented novella. This is your first chance to see them. Is this a team? That can still win this competition absolutely. Yeah, I mean I don't see why they would change their style. Be One thing if they were playing one way, and then they lost three one to Houston, but. They can always find their way back into a match based on. Just sustained pressure the amount of pieces that they have on their team, so Houston a feel good because they had basically the toughest match their group. They'll now be able to carry on. everyone's going to be looking towards this L. AFC galaxy mattress. That's the one right when the tournament was announced. That's what is that a rivalry of ever heard. I think it's called L. Traffic. Oh, yeah, And Look I'm not going to be crazy I think that the I think L. AFC will wouldn't match. They should win this match still even without Carlos Fellow. but I. I think there there is space to be had against this team, and if there is a path forward for the galaxy it will be from watching what Houston did and they play this. You know high. They moved their back up the field. They play possession. They look to counter If you can break that first line of pressure, you can find space on the wings, and we saw what at least was able to do when he gets isolated one on one or when you're able to think of who might be in that position well, that's Christian provoked. Who's pretty damn good in one situation and say you get that same opportunity where he's lined up against Yovich or CIGARROA and you draw them out. Out into spaces where there are a little bit uncomfortable, then maybe you have some things to work from the galaxy really lacked ideas, a lacked tempo in their passing against block. They looked really uninspired, but if they can figure out who they are and figure out the best way forward for them is moments in transition. Suddenly you've got pavone running. You've got the jet running. You've got teacher thereto ghosting off the backpost or making run the box that starts to be a little bit more dynamic a little bit. Bit More Dangerous but I still think Elliott is is probably they just have too many pieces, and they're too good in possession to where you get Ryan Rodriguez going, and then you've got Rossi and I. Latif is just I mean for me. He's like a best eleven player in if you're if if we had a full season, but he's just fantastic, so are still think Elliott is the top of the group, but after that I think is Wide Open L. Galaxy, Houston Portland I. I think it's it's. It's completely wide open for the group killing your former Houston Dynamo player. Yes, talk to me about the squat. Because are you as are you as I? them as I, am because you know it, it's not like I think they're going to win a mosque up. There were my dark horse for reason because I think they've changed drastically under tab. Think he's he. He figured out I gotta fix this defense I because I. Know How I can counter and hurt teams if we can sit back and stick to the style. We're going to get some results, yeah! I, AM and. You know the one name that you mentioned those front three a memo slash. was trying to get him for you. Kaelin! That there yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's not this shows long. We're GONNA. We'll always find our way to memo. But Yeah I don't know how many programs I've been talking about just. How he was an academy player when I when I was there, I talked about your experience with Brennan Aaronson Mind Kinda mirrors the same with with memo as far as being a young guy that was coming in, and you're like wow, lot lot of really good like technical abilities still have that quick trigger to get off a shot, but more than anything I would say. He was very responsible player that would like. He was always learning from the older players, and and he's had some. Some pretty good people around him whether you look at Boniek, Garcia. Some guys that have been able to really help them out left. He's got something to him like he's not just similarly to is not just the guy that's content to be there or to facilitate ease, contributing with goals and making deep lying runs into the box, looking to to get on the end of things so I. I like this Houston team when you look at the teams in general that do wellness. This unique challenge you know that heat and humidity is something that Shea. Salinas Talk. Everybody's talking about and for good reason and Houston Orlando are two teams from these regions of the country that are used to training in this in this environment every day, and so I think Yeah, of course I'm with. Must respect all right on that. Note the Galaxy Losing Portland. Timbers you guys talked about the galaxy? We talked timbers a bit They will move into the next games. Portland will play Houston on Saturday, and La La you preview that game la for US already kaylynn. You are a superstar. I appreciate that let's talk about a few other games. Coming up this weekend Friday night is a tripleheader simultaneous ABM games. You've got DC against new. England and S K C against Colorado Charlie. You're going to be on the radio. Call for that. New England game. To See for New England. Is this similar to Orlando? Let's get to wins. Let's lock our spot out of the group here. Now. This is know nothing about three points you're. You're pressing especially after you saw the way Toronto DC in that first forty five minutes. They'RE GONNA press. They're going to get Carlos. He'll in the ball early and often and use Gustavo boat of float around pope position, and then try and find those areas where they can go to V. One Brennan has made tremendous strides right back in this league. said he kind of mirrors. The Way Reggie Canon has grown as far as being more influential in the attacking, asked both great defenders, but now it reminds me a lot of gristle coming out of college as more an attacking player, having the physicality to hang at the pro level, and then learn that position, but like wants to get forward. Yes, and and he can get Ford because he has the athleticism to get back. Yeah, you don't have to ever worry about tracking back. And now he under Bruce Arena he understands the positioning, so as he knows when a Tuck in when to fill in if someone's out of out of place or a Wack, he has the leadership to pull people back in, but also. Also he knows how to fill in, so he's taken tremendous growth steps towards growth as a right back in this league, so he can get forward her and then boot on the left side. He's got a great left foot can cross. He can play balls in. Bacon hurt you in different ways, so this New England going to press press press and look to create 'cause now Carlos is one of the best players in the league when it comes to creating turnovers in the final third, because he's always locked in if the if the ball turns over, he's always the first to react. His reaction is is probably up. There's is one of the best in the League, so. This New England team I expect them to come away with three points. Because DC didn't show me enough doubt, obviously, they they. They're battlers, and that comes from Ben Olsen always. Don't give up the give up. Keep fighting. It's all about fight fight fight fight and that works for Awhile. That can work for to an extent. But it only lasts for so long. The fight fight fight fight. You need a little bit more and I don't think Ola Kamara is involved enough. For Ola Kamar getting one or two chances of game is not good enough for him. We saw him thrive at Columbus crew because of the way they played in Columbus crew. I I always told Gregg Berhalter. Why didn't you come in trade for me why? As a striker you're getting. Ten twelve chances there because they're all the way they play the press the style they are always creating chances for the striker in this system with around united. Ola Kamara is not getting that. He's getting maybe to if he's lucky to chances. That's not enough for him. Just bring in. From the start. Is I. think that was the one thing where. I was looking for peace and I. Know Flora's is there and put it. There really were an credit to Toronto. They really impose themselves in the first part of the game, but it just made me think how law I know he's great, and he's getting older and you WANNA. Maybe bring him off the bench. But how long can you wait to really maybe say look we. We need the sky. We need this guy to create something now. So that is what you're watching on the last junior marina of course suspended. The other thing is started at. That left attacking spot. Maybe Assad gets a start. Their Sarah is not really an attacking player. Charlie point help connect with Kamar and floors and whatnot. Sounds like Saheeb Hiba might be back as well for the ravs, which is one of their big holes to fill the other game at eight PM on Friday night is ask Casey Verse Colorado. Had to get moved around Kayla missiles one. You're looking forward to two teams that there was a bunch of expectations, and they both lost out the gate so now facing off against each other it's almost becomes a must win scenario. These were two teams that I was excited to watch coming in. Colorado is just really really disappointing, and I think even set it themselves Kansas City on the other hand I thought was like actually exceeded my expectations, but then had. had. You know the red card to Melia that really shifted the game, but. When you watch believable and the way he played I was eager to watch him. I. I knew he was going to be dangerous in the box and yeah, you had those couple goals early on where you're like alright. He's GonNa. Get is going to banks and goals. My was thinking more of just the slight traditional poacher and guy that's going to be lurking in the box, and then all of a sudden. He's mega guys. Body Meghan guys, spinning earning and facilitating I was just like Whoa. This is very different than you know even I was expecting and So I'm looking at that to you now and saying if they can you know everyone is going to be different without media and I think there's still some questions maybe with. The back line giving up a little bit, but still I was like this I think. The Sporting Kansas City team is brand new team and we haven't seen the best of them so same with Colorado so I'm like all right. Wipe record, clean a little bit and seems to really go after it from with you. Charlie's pollutants better. A lot of exciting players. There's been some great place so far. Some fine exciting goals Miami had a great goal as as Medina. It screamer, a lot of wild things that have gone on lake game on Friday night. Is Ourselves Minnesota to close out that group alongside SKC, Colorado Saturday and Sunday, quite simple and easy. You've got groups with four teams. There are two games each the whole group plays so Saturday. You've got. 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Now a special sports byline on, presentation. By from San. Francisco Emma. Sports byline broadcasting, network. You're listening to Wrestling Observer vibe with your hosts. Bryan Alvarez and Mike Simple bb. Let's get it. Going everybody Bryan Alvarez here on wrestling observer live. We are here every day Monday through Friday new Pacific. Three eastern Sunday's Pacific six eastern. Boy Do. We got a lot of news to get into here today. I was not here yesterday, and so I've got two days were the stuff to catch up on? The least of which is the Wednesday night's ratings and Demos. Everybody's favorite. Ellison. Sometimes. It's just the same story if it's just the same story I talk about it and move on, but over the last couple of weeks it has not been the same story. Hitting, an all time, low viewership, all time, low rating. That's a story. And what happened with Aws Thi this past Wednesday on the surface. It wasn't that much of a story. Awa One in total viewers, and they won all of the demos except age fifty, plus that happens ninety percent of the time, not much of a story, but there is one story that I'm going to tell you about that. If you've not read the New Observer, you know nothing about if you have read the New Observer. I will tell you this story and you'll be shocked again. Shocked as I was. When I first heard this story, but we got that. And of course it is very very busy weekend we have got. Three pay per views I guess one is a pay per view, but there's a UFC show on Saturday night. There is the impact slim of her serie show Saturday night, and of course yes, everyone on Sunday i. E horror. Stream rules where in the Ravens Stereo Seth rollins match. The only way to win is to pluck the other person's eyeball. Of their head will be dangling by a cord. That is what they are billing this match as unless today on survivor smackdown, they announced. To horrible now you just win via pin, fall or submission I don't expect that to happen. They are digging their heels in on. This stipulation will give you the full card for that show. We cards for Awa next week and next week smackdown here tonight and your phone calls emails, text messages and more. It's going to be a fun day here on the show. Back after the break. Tired of the same old hat coverage fear dot. com is the top destination divide the hats and gear. You need to represent your favorite. Pro Teams and players head to coverage. Dear Dot Com with Promo, code radio at Greg Cap with the Iconic Jersey number of the all time greats and current stars from the NBA. NFL. MLB and more. 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Subscription to twitch, you can use it on any channel that includes hours so if you have Amazon prime, which a lot of you do, you can subscribe for free and get our post show on Sunday which will in fact be a fundraiser for the Great Fowler every every time every penny every dollar. Every bitcoin that we make the cheers goes to the great valour. So Wednesday despite competition from both NASCAR ON F s one at UFC on. ESPN dynamite had his highest viewership since May scored a big win over INEX-. T in the USA network fight for the fallen headlined by a World Title Match which is supposed to take place last week, average, seven, hundred and eighty eight thousand viewers compared to annex ts, six, hundred and thirty, one thousand first time. Dynamite is one the viewership battle in four weeks I saw headline on some other site something like. China might finally wins in total viewers over annexed T. Finally I guess I guess technically if it's been three weeks of losing, it is finally, but I mean they've won ninety percent of the time. It was kind of a strange headline. Viewership for dynamite up ten point, two percent eighteen to forty nine dynamite averaged eight point two nine rating fifth for the night on cable. Chris Jericho did a promo. Calling himself the Demo God stating that he had never lost in the prized eighteen to forty nine demo. And I. And I thought man. Rolling the dice, your baby when you use something like that, you're rolling the dice well. Apparently. This is why I don't gamble. Because he not only one show, not only one I guess it would be the whole show. They not only one in the eighteen to forty nine demo. They doubled an exte- in the eighteen to forty nine demo. At exte- point one four down thirty percent from last week, second lowest number in that demo, the show has ever done on the USA network so. As I know in the opening segment. This is largely the usual story. Aws Wins in the total viewership. Most of the time there have been now exceptions. They always win in the demos except fifty, plus which annex t always wins, so I'm sure you're asking well. What's what's new here? What's The story besides that? They doubled at x t in eighteen forty nine demo. Well this from the New Observer. Awa Did strongly and males thirty five to forty nine. Annex. T did disastrous. In men eighteen to thirty, four AWA, every key demo, but women thirty five to forty nine was surprisingly close. In the eighteen to thirty four Demo A. W did seventy thousand men okay so around this country. Around the United States. Among, men eighteen to thirty, four, the young male audience. Seventy thousand people around the country. Watched a W. Do you know what the number of eighteen to forty nine year? Old Males was for Annex T. Awa was seventy thousand. How many eighteen thirty four men do you think we're watching annex t? On Wednesday night. Well. The answer is six. Thousand. Six thousand eighteen to forty nine year old man in the entire United States. We're watching annexed team as dave notes here. That's not a misprint. The number was down eighty seven point two percent from last week. Obviously there was competition NASCAR and you have see were were strong in those demos, but this is something that we've been talking about for a while on the main roster, but this is mind blowing. This is an x. t this is this is the promotion there unlike the main roster they you know. Got The young stars, doing the high flying action I mean this is supposed to be of the three brands raw smackdown exte- X T is supposed to be the youngest coolest hippest. Whatever the. Word is nowadays. That's supposed to be this brand. They did it only six thousand men eighteen to thirty four in the entire country, watching exte-, it's mind blowing the. The younger audience twelve to seventeen I don't have it in front of me, but it was only slightly higher than that. Annex, T and W. They have. A tiny amount of younger viewers, their median ages sky high. Why are no young people watching these shows and when I say no young people, I mean we're getting to the nitty gritty here. Six thousand people in the whole country. That's your eighteen to thirty four audience, and then twelve seventeen was only very slightly higher than that, so they're not getting kids. They're not getting teenagers. They're not getting anybody under the age of thirty four. It's shocking. Anyway those are the numbers there so. There you go. And of course, the rod number the all-time low that is leading to the extreme, the horror show extreme rules as it is called, and this is the full lineup as of right now. I'll be saying smackdown tonight they will. They will add more. This by the way for some reason does not count the bar fight which I thought that Jeff Hardy made official, but it's Jeff Hardy shameless at a bar fight. We got drew McIntyre Delves Ziglar for the WB title. We Got Oscar. Versus Sasha banks for the women's title. We Got Bailey versus Nikki Cross for the smackdown women's title. Braun strowman is facing bray. Wyatt it a swamp fight, and actually it's not just. Just one fight. It's a white swamp. That's apparently different. We gotTa Ramos Earth Rollins Eye for an eye. The match can only be one one competitor extracts the high of their opponent. You must pull somebody's eyeball out. Antipolo crews will be facing MVP for the US House seven matches announced and probably more coming up on smackdown tonight, but that's the lineup for the Sunday horror show at extreme rules for slammer Serie. Got Eighth Austin Eddie Edwards and Trey. And a mystery opponent, a former world champion for the impact World Title I. Don't know this okay, but my presumption would be that the fourth individual here will be c three, but I don't know that for sure. We Got Jordan grace versus Deanna Paraiso for the impact knockouts title Willie Mack. Chris Bay for the x division title. We got a gauntlet for gold. Determine the number one contender for the women's title Leash Edwards Havoc Kiro Hogan leak highly ray. Nevada Madison Rain Rosemary Suzy Tasha. Steals Taya Valkyrie. The North we'll be facing Ken shamrock and Sami Callahan. Moose will be facing Tommy. Dreamer and the rascals will be facing. T B D in a tag team match which. Anytime there's a TVD on the show because impact has been pushing so strongly that a bunch of former impact stars that had been working for. WWe, or going to be returning on the show because they are all three clear. I would presume that's going to be a former team. Will it be gallows and Anderson? Well I can't say that one hundred percent it could be all I. 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They got rid of shop zone if I recall correctly but. W E has been doing things a certain way forever, and they also be very patterned way of doing things. And a w is more like an independent promotion in the sense that they do some stuff. If something feels like, it's getting over the immediately marketed and W. we does that to a degree as well. For a while. Daniel Bryan had the belt made out of hemp. Selling that belts on the WB extraordinary amount of money by the way and the females title quickly had that thing up, but at the WWe shop, so they do things like that i. mean it's not just a W. Versus Jerko is completely validated and bragging about the eighteen to forty nine demo, especially since he has not touched fifty S. he himself is still a part of that money demo. thicky is still forty nine. Let's see when Chris Jericho turns the Big Five O.. Chris Jericho is forty nine years old. November nine November nine. He moves out of the money demo. We'll see what happens in I'm sure he's got some sort of idea. These guys Jericho in the bucks or so innovative when it comes to marketing and selling merge I have already ordered my Demo God and Christian af t shirts. And while W, we get zero pennies for me. Because all of their stuff is generic and UNCREATIVE. Well, you know if you go to the WBZ shop you can buy a replica winged Eagle Belt with the greatest belt. That W is ever produced. I think they got a twenty five percent off sale right now. Belts fantastic. I know Tim in Miami would say. I A genuine reggie parks belt as much better. W. E. version to these. Versions are pretty nice. Available at the shop if I recall correctly. Do you think that aid w impact should announce new signings to advance Ortiz them for ratings and via repurposes. There is no answer to this question. The answer is and you will not like this, but it depends. So. What I mean by that is. If you've got a loaded show. And you've got a big main event. And there's a lot of buzz the show. Then do a surprise. You know people wrestling fans like to be surprised. They like it when somebody shows up. They weren't expecting, but. If, you don't have a loaded show. If you've just got to nothing happening Shell, but you've got a big person who you're going to debut. Then you've got to advertise it. The answer is it depends for example as renting about this yesterday. The INEX- t show this week. I was I'm a fan of good knocks I was excited fatigue and knocks in sheriff. But W. we had just done two weeks of the great American Bash. They had done a Sasha in Bailey main roster. Take Team Championship match the first week and the second week. They had build a double title match Keith Lee was going to fight. For both his North American title and Adam Cole's and exte- title. Both big matches those matches led to them beating a W in viewership. But then. Now what? It's always the question now what? And for the following weeks and X T. They announced that Sherry was facing good Knox, who won the title in a random four-way when the title shot in a random four-way and Damian Precinct Cameron Grimes which I've seen several times I like both of the guys, but I've seen the match. Now. They were going to end up doing keith Lee versus Dominic Jakovic a rematch of one of their best matches of the last couple of years for both titles. But they didn't advertise. They wanted to make it a surprise. All they advertise was a Keith Lee was going to address the universe now if they'd had a big show, five matches announced a bunch of big matches. Fine do an impromptu announcement of a double title match, but they didn't have that they had one title match. which was you know it was a match? teagan knocks. This right he got to do like a long journey road to the title the do that. It was just she won four ways going to title shot. They had that in a rematch. All they had so in that case. No, this should not be surprised. You should advertise your big money match, but they didn't do that. They made it a surprise that to me was a mistake for slam averse serie if it's me. And I got gallows and Anderson. Announced Gallows Anderson there on that show. You've got a four way for the title I mean in there is the four way for the title is a big match because you're guaranteed a new champion, therefore in their minds. That's a big match EC. Three can be surprised on top of that or whoever that fourth person know who it is so. It depends. Versus Chris Jericho absolute genius is Demo God line proved fact, once again, everything. That man touches turns to gold. Away at another one here that said that. The Demo. God name is great, but the shirt is ugly, so he's not a fan of of the actual design of the shirt. Versus. How awesome was that Llegado del Fantasma Vignette shot in their mansion? I truly feel Santos. Escobar's been the best cruiserweight champion since pocket that title couple of years ago, W. has her next big Latino Star in front of their eyes him, an angel cars that how can you miss them like I wrote that text. I talked about this yesterday Brian and Vinnie show. They've been looking for a big Latino Star biggest panic star. Since like the Heyday of rain, Stereo and the funny thing is. They never were willing to go all the way with Ramos. Cheerio because he was small. I mean gave him the title, but everybody knows the story like they didn't want to give him. The title and everybody convinced Vince. McMahon to make him the champion and Vince McMahon's whole mindset was fine, but he ate could be champion for long, and when they gave him the belt, they beat him beat him. beat him, beat him, and then they beat him and took the title off him so I mean I guess you have. Have to go before ray to Eddie Guerrero. They've been looking for that big star ever since, and they tried it with Alburto del Rio, but you know Alberto. Del Rio had a million issues. They also didn't know what they were doing with the guy. You know the whole baby face, turn his. He'll run. I mean it was botched can go back and listen to the shows. You know they just couldn't do it right with him. And if he hadn't had issues, I mean that should have been your guy and. You know Angel Garza I. Feel is a can't miss. But he doesn't have the size that Vince McMahon loves and I look at at Santos Escobar. I think he's a can't miss. How can you not miss with this guy for looking for a Spanish Latino superstar. How can you miss? With the former DEL FANTASMA well, they're. They're doing great in annex. T main roster I guess love to see what he has going for him as he speaks perfect English. That's what they're looking for. Why if you're looking for Hispanic, Latino superstar to attract that audience? Do you need a guy that speaks English I mean? Shouldn't he speak Spanish? I mean historically all of your big ethnic superstars. I mean they all spoke the language, but in w speak English. We'll see what happens. Kerosene kerosene being forced to be a heel for most of her time on the main roster is yet another example of WWE, being unable to use people correctly from in exte- how long until people start refusing to go to the main roster, people will start refusing to go to the main roster in large numbers when the amount of money that they make an annex, t is the same as the amount of money they make on the main roster and there have been. There have been people that don't WanNa go. They made it very clear to Moscow champ is one of them, but the reason he didn't want to go was because he did not feel that his body would hold up doing a wwe main roster scheduled, but guess what. That schedule is no more I believe. After Corona virus that's scheduled will still be no more so if he's doing the exact same number of matches at annex. T that he's doing on the main roster, but he's being offered significantly more money for the main roster very very very few people are going to turn that money down. Some of them will, but it's a very very small number. If the day comes when they make the same amount of money in exte- because allegedly it's your third brand. All things equal. Then I think more and more people won't want to go to the main roster. Your says actually the main event of great American Bash night one with Sasha versus eeo as true non title singles match with surprise. OSC appears that is true I apologize I think it was the week prior which I believe xt, also one that had Sasha Billy defending the take. Home with more an open up the phone lines wrestling observer live. 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You're listening to in wrestling observer. Live with Bryan Alvarez Semper Vivey on the sports byline broadcasting network. Come. Turn your radio. Over is year wrestling observer live and. You're turning joined the show just in the emails and text messages, but Also via the telephone. is standing by waiting to go, but we're not gonNA. Go to me and. Make them. Wait for seconds. So tonight on smackdown. Bray whites gotTA firefly funhouse segment. Which of course is going to sit up the white swamp fight on Sunday, and there will be a new addition of a moment of bliss. So, we do have one match which is. The AJ styles met riddle intercontinental title match. We'll see what happens there. Those are pay per view on Sunday, but they're giving away in Aj Styles Matt Riddle Intercontinental Championship match for free on smackdown, so that tell you the concern over the ratings right now to put that one on free TV as opposed to. The pay per view but again. We have one match announced. And the rest is all talking segments. So why didn't have we not have a full card for smackdown violent, not have full cards for these shows that are. That are taped in advance. I mean as my own at a couple of days ago. I don't even know what the matches are. I would prefer to know what the matches are, but at least tell me who's going to be on the show. Don't even do that. Get to talking segments, and you'll get an intercontinental title match so tune in on a Friday night at eight o'clock and find out what else he get. Roll the dice. Down the cards for those two shows, and then of course next week we got carrying cross Dominic di Jakovic and Killian Dane. Dexter loomis for an xt. Those are the only matches announced for next week's and X T. Meanwhile? Aws announced cody versus a mystery challenger evil lease returns to a w for the first time since the Casino Battle Royal, she will take on Diamante. This'll be the first in ring action for the shine women's champions since the shines sixty five pay per view on February. twenty-ninth hangman page will be televised competition for the first time singles. Competition is going to do a singles match. He will face five of the dark order, and the Jurassic Express will face. Chris Jericho. And Jake Hager and Jeff also be facing an unnamed opponent as well so full card for the AWA show. Perhaps he'll tell mystery opponents. Perhaps they will not. All right. Let's go to a Ryan. Ryan. You're on the line. What's going on. I questioned about the thirty wrestlers dying from Mexico from the coronavirus. Reason why there hasn't been many American wrestlers dying Richard Graves from Russell Talk Radio Dot a couple of weeks ago. He's not really at wrestler so this is a different form of the virus in Mexico. I want to thank you very much for the call I. Don't think it's a it's a different form of the virus. I mean the short answer is. If you look at the death rate for coronavirus all over the world. It is not consistent. There are there are some countries where it's very very low, and there are some countries where it sky high, and a lot of that has to do. With what kind of medical care can you get? How is how is your populations health as a whole and unfortunately, it's a disaster in Mexico disaster in Brazil I mean it's a disaster in Florida and Texas and California will find out how big a disaster a couple of weeks because. Cases Rise four week lag, and then here come the deaths hospitals being overwhelmed everything like that, so that's the issue is not a different form. Of the virus! Should mention cauliflower. 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You can donate your reunion ticket to the Benevolent Fund for a tax. Write off, or you can leave your deposit on hand to ensure that you have a seat for the April, twenty twenty one reunion now. I mean listen. We don't know what's going to happen, but. This is scheduled to take place in September. I think it's abundantly clear. This is not going to be over in September. Now is going to be over by April. I am Iffy I mean if the if the twenty twenty one reunion was in September. I be ready to buy my ticket April. I think it's fifty fifty. We have this exact same thing happening again, but we can only hope for the best. Let's go to. Bellows. Vermont you're on the air. Who is this? This is Dagan like shoutout from to the twitch homeys in the chat. It's going on Dagan. Brian I wanted to get. No not a whole lot. I wanted to get your opinion on Jon Moxley and who you think. Should beat him for the title and who you think will challenge him next. Thanks for taking my call all right I. WanNa. Thank you very much for the call. Well. Couple of things you do with Jon, Moxley. I believe. I believe that the next person. Who Challenges Him for? The title is probably going to be MJ AF. And? As far as you should win the title next. Here. Here's the thing I don't know. I don't know. In the real world. Unless you're just doing things to hotshot or you want to surprise people. I mean this was what I was always told, and this is what has always made the most sense historically. And superstar Billy Graham of all people would argue this as well because he very much disagreed with with. With Vince McMahon taking the www title off of him, he was told a year in advance when he was gonNA. Lose the belt, and it was like set in stone, and he felt. Now's not the time. That the answer when it's time. Win The. Right guy comes along. Let's say that M.? F. is challenging for the title over. The first week of September. Okay, it's. Almost the in July. Yes I looked at the wrong wrist so almost the end of July, we got a month and a half okay. I can't see her right now and say. I think now's the time for MGM to beat John Moxie for the title. You gotTa Start Shooting the angles. You GotTa Start Building it up. You got to see what happens and a perfect example actually is when Chris Jericho lost the title to Jon Moxley when Chris Jericho won the title. I did not feel. In a month six weeks leading up to it, I did not feel that it was time. For Chris Jericho to lose the title. Then they started building up Moxley and they shot all of their angles and everything like that. And honestly on the day of the show. I no longer felt the way that I did in fact. Quite, frankly really on the day of the show I was a little more ambivalent to it I was like okay. Jerk wins. There's a direction that you can go from here, but Moxley is hot. So, Maybe it's time for Moxie to win the title and me. You gotTA shoot your angles. You've got to build it up and there's a feeling that you should have the day of the show. Is it time now the problem? Is You also want to book long-term? So if you're Tony Kahn you need to make that decision at least a little bit in advance, you can't say well. We're GONNA build it up, and then we'll make our decision the day of the show because then. You've got to do something that states exactly what talked about annex t they had. They had two good weeks with the. American Bash, and then what? What was the follow up? What did they have for the next week? Not a lot I mean they have something for down the line with with Keith Leeann carrying cross, but you gotta have something for this. See how over. Everybody is see what the numbers are doing. How hot is MGM get if he's The guy and then you decide maybe a month out. What are we gonNa do and then you go and you have something planned for down the Road I. Wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't. It's foolish. To. Decide far in advance and not see where the like not see the lay of the land. Not See how things are going. Not See how over somebody's getting. Maybe it's time for him to beat in the first week of September, but maybe it's not and I can't see that far ahead right now. Billy Corgan. A quick, not the national wrestling alliance which I fought for, and won ownership of a few years back. We are not. Shutting down, please disregard any and all rumor to that effect. Apparently Raven had done a podcast or something, and he said that that now the Dave Logan has out. He thinks it'd. Billy Corgan is going to cut down. shut shut the promotion down I was told. Few weeks ago that they absolutely were not shutting down, I think we talked about this here on the air, their inner restructuring process. They're doing a bunch of different things, but there was no talk of them shutting down now. Billy Corgan has got a comment on this, and it'll delay is not and will not be for sale. Those talent one under contract remained under contract for a reason, which is that we at the NWEA are trying to figure out a way to provide are great fans with wrestling content. In a very very tough environment at a high level, anything else in my opinion is unacceptable, so yes, appreciate the interest, appreciate the. Chatter that we do not appreciate the unsourced rumors and speculation. It was going on Brian. Show took shed I was just wondering for cody's open challenge. Do you think we possibly see some of the guys pop up? I think Zachariah is a big possibility. And who do you think out of those guys who ends up in? Hey eight w most likely. I want to thank you very much for the call. Well I. Don't know why I didn't think about that earlier, but yes is noted. Fighter fast fight for the fall in and now this coming, Wednesday show cards cards cards cards. They always have a card in advance I mean even the second week of the great American Bash going into it. They had like a match or two, and then the everything else. They added on social media, even though they had already taped the show they could've. They could've announced all of the matches. But they didn't so. Eight W I wouldn't say that this is a super stack show. But. You do have a lot of matches. Announce and I think hangman doing singles match Jericho and hager wrestling on the show Mj F. in action the. Match with. The among Tei, you could save one wwe star for a surprise now. The argument and Dave talked about this on. Wednesday. Other people have talked about this as well I mean. There's a lot of ex-deputy me. Guys need W and. How many are too many? What's too much I mean is, is you know Zack Ryder. I mean Zack Ryder did nothing W me ninety five percent of the time. This is no disrespect to Zach writer. It's just the reality I mean. They vary the guy forever. They did nothing with him. He was a job guy I mean they very briefly one the titles at Wrestlemainia, and then did virtually nothing with them, and then they beat them. There is there is the argument that do you want to take a guy that they buried forever and bring him in and push him as a big time star. That's the question now granted if your's Zack Ryder. Is it fair that because another company booked you like a Geek. You can never do anything in your career. No, that's not fair, so it's a question that they're gonNa have to figure out. Who did they bring in? Do they use? Do they push? The moments of her life. Okay I just need you to listen to me I. Know that a lot of times, mom, it might not seem like I'm listening to you, but I am I hear you. And what you save really doesn't matter to me. I mean. Let's be honest. No Kid likes rules, but I get why we have them I. 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Hidden arm Florida hit a new record today ten thousand new cases today. That's every. Looks like I'm. It's. In a broader air broader sense, it's really. Hard to see where things are going in in states like that with the pandemic on. An Pacific level the the thing I said to you was like you know we were here last week. Being like this might not happen and at the time you know I was saying all. I'm sorry that we're all here so negative. But we may have been like. That being been like generous. Yeah I mean. There's there's still some time to go, but what we know about the lag time on cove. It would seem to suggest things are going to get worse before they get better and they're so bad that in the course of what we're what six days out. Lake. If even if there's a dip and it's like Oh. We only eight thousand new cases today. That's still spells disaster for things so I. Think we've kind of gone from like A. Should this happen to will this happen? To like sort of incredulous, this just really shouldn't happen. Yeah I mean like. I WANNA. Clarify sometimes laugh about this 'cause. It's funny. It's because it's laughable. This is kind of happening like we. We had the the the podcast up the same day. It was announced that The situation got worse as we were recording. Seriously, that's. DELENDA had drop out of the NWF L. Tournament. Because, at six people were which I believe with four players to staff or six players to staff I'm. Tested positive after it had been reported that some of the teammates we're supposed to fights laid and went to the bar. And so you're not supposed to be going to the bar as a professional athlete about to enter a bubble. In, Orlando. Got Notice. Now, I've been a little easy on under yourself because they are going, do Utah, which has like five hundred pieces today there in the which literally up in the sky. It's fine. Yes but you know. The players were still coming for Lehto at the time. People were saying well. You know our people come in in you now have heard. That Dallas had six players test positive for colored since they've arrived in Orlando. Rates and I think Columbus may have had a player test positive last I saw. I guess like if you pulled the pride over that number, there's not that many people in soccer team and the thing is is that it's like five substitutes. Are you don't? I know that there are the stories you know. The circulated story about the Kademi kids in Russia or whatever else but. I think that they're the competitive concerns really Wayne. Really start to come to the fore like. This may be something that I've been thinking about all all of the restart sportstalk scene, but it's. This is not. This is there's no way we could stage the tournament with people dropping out left and right in be like this is the best version of our product. And so is this going to be for Funsies, or is this which I mean? There's a there's a there's a benefit I guess to educate the public, but I feel like. Our. The way that we've used sports. Like. I don't know that we can. That we have a language yet to like except that like we this the this isn't. The players aren't going to be able to strive for excellence because the situation has made it. Impossible before they even begin. Yeah. Yeah, I I agree and. I mean. There's a point where I think doing anything. Anywhere, there's always going to be people weighing like a certain amount of risk, the fact that any of us are out doing anything anywhere in the world right now is us taking on a certain amount of risk, but you would hope a professional organization like me would be able to. Weigh the pros and cons of that and really think about if coming back is. The right thing to do. And for me, it always seemed like the pathway to coming back would have to mean that. Things were improving not getting drastically worse at the point where the decision was made, things were still getting worse. They weren't as bad as they are now, but they certainly weren't getting better. And I think it goes to show what happens when you have a disjointed. Public Health messaging across the country where some people just feel like it's over and. We can move on and start up again while things continue to rise elsewhere. We definitely do have to go into. You know into retreat, the. The players that are they are now. We did the line about the sandwiches. Come from Omar Gonzalez had posted. The idea of their lunch options, which was like it's not clear from the photo who's paying for it, but it's like there is different options for player. What was available to purchase on the menu? It was like. Sixty five dollars, a sixty five dollars course of sandwiches, maybe over the course of a week. Maybe maybe maybe that must be what it is to look the greatest sandwiches the history of time. No I feel like. I mean for folks wanting to follow along some of this. There's a twitter account called MLS Cova Cup. It's followed by mostly mls players, and like MLS twitter folks, so if you're wanting to see some of the pictures and videos that are allegedly coming from the MLS bubble I feel like it's a player running. See, this is my. This was actually my question and. We can we have? I mean. There's no not particularly. Allegations provide. Do you think that it's real? I think that like. The Sandwich thing seems real. Considering there's also a photo of like the menu with like MLS is back on it, and there's enough players liking it circulating it that it leads me to believe that this is something that's actually going on. I feel like this could very easily also be like a twitter account, and there's lots of other things circulating where people are just kind of taking the past a little bit from Amazon just. Taking videos of whatever and posting them about. The the bubble, so to speak and life going on there but it. I would say this if it's fake. They're certainly a law of MLS players, following it liking it and re tweeting various things that are going on. so unless it's just one one big joke. I feel like there's been numerous coaches that have acknowledged a lot of players had hesitations about coming to this tournament. And there's enough and a lot of players have been quite vocal about it as well that this tournament shouldn't be going on, so that doesn't mean that all of these things are necessarily real. I just think it's interesting that it it's. These stories have gotten so much traction with MLS players and I. Haven't yet seen MLS player that stepped in and been like well. Hang on a minute. Things aren't so bad. The. Thing that MLS will definitely be measured against, and it's not its fault. All this idea to do about will tournament I think is only exacerbated by the fact that the NBA also choose Joe's to copy the idea, except the their version of the hotel bubble of it's going to be so much more expensive and lavish in like the kit mls can't help. Help that no, and in any way to me. It kind of like it's like an mls throwback to the good old days of ms where people are getting changed i. mean this happened as little as two years ago. What was the team that was playing on like a practice pitch from like a youth club and they had to change in like the. Same places all the vending machines I feel like that's thing happened anyway. It might have been Cincinnati while they were waiting for their stadium to open, but no they had they were. They hit their US LCD. Plan Anyway, so I'm sure. We've got more MOS with later, but the Jill Dan like. We talk. Now happening. Professionals Forte he played in North America the years twenty twenty, and the only remaining team sport to be played. Is the National Mottaki? they have the I think that it should be the key focus because of Schwartz General because it's you know like I, think a lot of people have had these issues when they look at like you know Yahoo Dot com or something like that. It's just like focus on the games that are happening and I'm. Really have now. I think about six Challenge Cup games in the NFL Challenge, cup. Lots of interesting Like storylines playing out over the course of those out and lots of great goals or eight. We've have. I think it's six right six. Yes, three three three days which. Which? which are like which are like these interested like marathon? In Atlantic time like one, thirty and ten. Thirty, eleven thirty. Starts. You. You had on the the twenty seven. Th you had. To Start North Carolina versus Portland which was itself, I, a rematch of two of the last three and a yoursel championship finals, I, of course courage with it, the defending champions and Tae. Really. This was this was an interesting. This was an interesting contest in that. I think that they had the. The browns of possession the whole time, but they were it was that late stoppage time winner on the gave him the edge, but but Portland Kinda like was able to hang on and certainly with the opening goal What do I have here for that? What's four minutes basically of North Carolina just knocking at the door I mean Portland I think might have had one or two kind of half chances, but I stopped counting after the eighth chance that North Carolina had and then it's a think it's around the the seventy fourth minute where they they finally break the deadlock score. And, then almost immediately after that as these things go, Portland is able to draw things level. And then deep into stoppage time North Carolina gets that winning goal which I mean for me. The interesting thing is that you spend. The better part of ninety minutes defending defending defending and having north, Carolina takes shot after shot after shot I thought Portland did a pretty good job overall of closing them down, and then you just have your striker completely unmarked in the box with three defenders. Find Her. And I just. have like an all caps comment of like i. mean there's always going to be a striker unmarked in the box at some point in a game. That's that happens, but I mean. If you're a defender and you know, there's a cross coming into the box, the possessions so far out. On the right wing. Defender near the striker. You have to be goal. Side the fact that they're all standing behind the strike. Her watching I was just like what. Why did you just play the whole game and defend like that to basically watch somebody? Take that from you. Of course, it's much. More complicated than that, but felt a little frustrating from from Portland. Fans to be fan to like. This could have been a draw quite easily. You just needed a body in front of that cross to block it. Especially because it was a very similar movement to the seventy five th minute goal by Davina the the ball in from wide from the rookie Haley, Mace. and The. Portland goal. I, don't the Pearl goal was more of A. Ricochet by Savant Charlie. Off The crossbar, but a lot of it really felt like a lot of North Carolina stuff was was based on that, so it's like Lynn Williams, who is the score or the night fourth minute like it's. She is so dangerous after you're absolutely right, you have the marker. Yeah I mean, she's obviously a taller physical presence, and she's always going to take a chance like that, but again. If you're a centre-back, you just need to get in front of her and at least make a challenge like jumbo games. Rather than. Bring down the ball, and then score it. There's there's a shortage on behalf of the players to go heart despite the fact that they are rusty rightly, don't necessarily look sluggish, but it seemed in a number of games that they're the lack of. Of You know game. FIT missed because nobody has been able to play. has just sort of like a payback. That if you that if a team you know and I I kind of wonder. If this is a this was a deal with with Portland where you know the the stamina just ran out and both teams were obviously. It felt swinging to try and make something happen. I mean it's been exciting to watch like this much end to end football for sure where things are a pretty wide open. I Like I wanNA stay with wfl, but do you think that this is kind of a bit of foreshadowing for what amyloidosis back will look like if indeed happens where you see what you mentioned about the game fitness part where it's, it's not like players have been staying fit for sure, but that you know just lack of familiarity with tactical awareness, because nobody's really played as a team for four months. If that's GONNA, come into play as well. Well I. Wonder If the difference because you see like sort of a lack of sharpness in the Bundesliga in a little bit of the pre. And in end of US, AL, I think you have also seen. In all these that have come back, you've seen things. Be a little bit more chaotic. Because of that I do like there was a line, and it's a it's sort of. It's an backed up line right, but one of the lines that you hear people say. Out of this MLS. Training right somebody was like on the on the least fit that I've ever been in my career. The MLS players say and And of us, our reporters are saying that these players are the most fit. King never been that they have been the lie on trying to find that twitter, but somebody said. Bit? A unnamed your couch, said Vit- Demands players were playing video games. This whole time in the women's players were on the treadmill. That that's an inflammatory thing to say, we can't confirm or deny but I will say seen all of the matches. The highlights of the matches like the fitness there the physical fitness of the players. Where there's. Like sluggishness as you say is more to do game management, and some you know like positional awareness, but in terms of they don't lack for pace or for I, would say even just some of the technical execution I mean. We saw a lot of really perfect threw balls. Long, diagonal balls so. It's clear. The practice has been happening. and I'm impressed that it's come together in the way that it has because I feel like. The overall, there's been mostly complete team performances where there's weaknesses there either things that were the case before like with the Chicago. Red Stars or it something where you'd go like well. Yeah, if you haven't played together after this amount of time, you'd be a little bit rusty. In terms of getting your back sorted out as well. like it's. It's all forgivable things. That point that you make the red stars I mean I think that that is something that we we've seen? I guess the story of them in in. In their first two games. The Lost in the in the opening day of the Washington spirit. One of the big I guess talking points of that first day. was that in recognition of pain? But also you know protests for racial justice in United States around the world. On the black lives matter movement was a has been a big part of the interview, all presentation and the in the opening game both all the players from Carolina in Portland. Neil for the anthem and they put out a joint statement. Explaining why they did that and they tried to all move sort of together. now. Chicago Washington that did all happen. Some players stood. Supporters didn't I'M CHICAGO'S K.? Short got very emotional and The. Those images really stuck out what people you know focused on? Her pain, but also you know the fact that there was another teammate Julia was down consoling her. There's another team to the side. Who is standing up and not all? Not all restaurants people stood are did meal and people were focusing on? Whether or what that? What impact that could have had emotionally I'm in? In Rory Dames Chicago. Coach said that they thought that they were not necessarily together. Emotionally. People have since you. Wonder why? They don't cancel the anthem I'm the bag would have. The authentic has reported that. The players don't really want canceled because they want to have the opportunity Tony also I guess the news thing is that you don't have to be there if you don't want to. You can, you can sit back in the locker room I from what I have observed in future in in gains that have happened after that. Players. The coaches have essentially kneeled were not in the the. The blowback from that has been a little less. What is what is your take on this on this discussion? I think. Overall I. I feel a little bit like. As good as it is to see professional athletes, bringing much needed awareness to this. To me. I can't help, but just feel quite. Sore about how this is all being adopted now, but to think about. Kapernick being blackballed Moore blacklisted for this whole time. And just the shit that him and other athletes have been through. In. In in kneeling and being very open about what's going on in America too now, a- league like sort of I mean I think Nwea, cells leak their approach of of trying to really allow players to make their own choices is probably the correct one because. I think that. Alternate you should be allowing expression. Rather than mandating it because. Too often leagues get it wrong. And say well. We're mandating that. Nobody gets to do anything. Rat or everybody must do this rather than saying like you decide what it is and what the correct expression is. I think ultimately it's. It's hard not to just think about what it would be like to be a player. And a person of color on a team and have some of your teammates standing and and question. Are, they. With me! and what does it mean to be a member of a team if as a team? You know everybody's making their own decisions about whether or not to stand for the anthem, but. I mean I'm sure there's some players that stand that feel very strongly about black lives, matter and I'm sure there's some that are kneeling. Don't feel that strongly, but. I i. just imagine it's gotta be a very difficult and tense situation on teams. There's not a unified approach to it. Yeah. I definitely agree that the the unified approach is hard to get. The Red Star's owner went on twitter She can't say people gain dragged for their decision, which has to be their own decision and I kind of. Understand that, but my my gut feeling is. Is it especially under the current regime? Right is that you would ideally want to have a scenario where. It should be the opposite way in terms of opt in which is like if nobody can, if you can't unanimously have everybody comfortable with going out there. To to to to go there for the anthem. Then! You just don't do it. You know what I mean, but. But some more stuff has come out with with the fact that players. You know that players want to do it. They don't want canceled. I just, and it's not something that you have to listen to, and it is their moment to protest as well right like gets you there moment. Visually protests in a at a time where you have. Cameras trained on you. So. Yeah it's. It's difficult. and I say that to be to equivocate I. Think it's pretty clear where you stand on these matters, but again I'm. I'm not in the position of running a League or mandating what other people should do, I think that. People should do the right thing, but. Again that's something that I feel like could be handled within each club. I think that the one of the things that. I think when you mentioned like the the callback to live Benson's cabinet is. Is it. It's good at the end of your phillies doing this, but it's almost behind the time where anthrax is relevant, there is a a tweet that I saw going around at the time. It was by the tour Canada. phone knows all I. If you if you exit, says after talk at this point is by White, four white I'm bored. How are you? Who are you hiring? WHO has power? WHO's getting paid? What your community? How are you using your political leverage? Take more equitable world for life people, and then in another tweet, if your organization doesn't know the difference between gesture, learn a move accordingly or stay out of it tired. I think that what I take from that is that is the. Is Is. Interesting is it is to to sort of? You know! As much as this feels, the conversation is important. It's now sort of like a recessed part of a much more conversation. A much more important conversation in energies it, which is hearing the voice. Police to stop killing black people not. Like your. Breezes happened more reason. This started and so I've seen a number of people saying like it's great that people are supporting black businesses and black artists, and there's all this attention, but if you're not calling for defunding police and actually aiming to. Do something about police brutality, which is the thing that's killing black people in America than? There is an off. It is gesturing right an it's. It's not the It's GonNa. Obviously. There's a cultural shift that needs to happen as well but. If. This is to me. Sort of smacks a bit of like how things like pride get co-opted and become a corporate virtually moment to say to the fan base like hey, we're just like you and like we care about this thing. And forget what the act like the this is a protest that this is something that is meant to cause discomfort, and it's meant to initiate difficult conversations. And it's very easy to then turn that into. We all have to move to together and unity and. Respect and let's all join the conversation. It's just. Sure fine. But. Can we also not add back the specific reason why this is happening? Guess an Emmy obviously. Player's protesting. That have have not lost sight of that. That's why they're doing this. I am I I think that the player lead part is really important in hopefully a part of of of how things have. Evolved as gone on that game itself was another good one and other to one for Washington. Roosevelt's looking great. Washington really came out flying in this one to us from very early on, it was like okay. I can see what their game is. Grabbed the early goal. At which I mean? At the first goal I felt like it was. Pretty Easy One and we've talked about this before. But Chicago's issue defense just continues. that. This is just a complete failure to clear the ball out of the area. But I I know. Chicago rallied a little bit in this one. They showed some fight. Yet After after the the. Outer the interval. Actually I've scored for Washington to make it to wine and then mortgage Bryant got that. Go back to try. To try to push, but eventually they Washington came away with the three points start. In the preliminary round. The next game I've on Tuesday. Like one of them, yes, I just have one real quick note about that game, which is completely insignificant, but I feel like it's important to me which is. I the players names, but there's just a player's going in gets bold over with a shoulder barge in the box, and there's not even a discussion of whether or not it should be a penalty. They just play on on like. A loving. Off. A little shoulder barge. That should be allowed anyway continue. The. I think that the best game so far in one of the most entertaining to watch was the first game on Tuesday between his two dash taught royals. so much growing bracket fourth at this one Canada's. Apposite Oprah. Sure this is not your favorite game, just because of Dan, map, it's. who apparent who who didn't play last year? So this is a big. This was a big return. She? Definitely got the. Anton got on the end of a great cross from Amy Rodriguez. To knock at home in the thirty fifth for Utah Dan. You had this. Where you had a Utah store twice or Houston scored Rachel daily scored. Twice in two minutes with time in between it. It was like in stock time, and then also in the second minute you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network. Line at Hartland NEWSFEED DOT com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by. Follow us on Facebook, twitter and INSTAGRAM's. This is the liberty. Beat your daily source for news and activists updates produced in partnership with the S. and L. S., network, and listeners like you online at snl West Network Dot Com. I'm Murrow with your latest edition at the Liberty beat. 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Oh, so terrible. What's going to you know it's totally change. Teams this preparation new score very early on. It's like. That will also completely. Crater, whatever preparation they did have. yeah. Yeah. No, I mean there's such an exciting game. Is Daily got the brace in this one and just. Just a good okay soccer game to me like that's what that's. Really you know. With a goal in sixty seven, and then Utah comes back with two more to tie it up three three. In the final goal is glory. By Sarah King who is one of many I, think rookies or or newcomers that I've noticed you know. There are there have been players that have not been able to make it for this tournament on. In then you have this but you have a bunch of new names both in terms of draftees and people who've come and in from different leagues. and. You have some names really. That are really showing up at improving to be favorites. Early on that Portland keeper in that first game was was a rookie as well. Because every Anna, Franche Franch has been injury. I'm right so I found I found that to be really interesting A. Rain and Scott have seen in Thornton red. Stars both. Squirrel straws I of course was very happy for the opportunity to see Canada's greatest Prime Minister Christine Sinclair on candidate. Yeah. Yeah both both of those games at not too much in them. Unfortunately, those were the ones that kind of looks like. it wasn't for lack of chances, but just about every shot went over or wide, and you sort of felt like that was a bit of both all teams shaking off the rest a little bit. now. Say, it was all the Portland Chicago match. It was like all Portland in the second half, and you just felt like. They had to score, but they could not by a goal. And so. Things stayed level there. The last match was North Carolina Courage in Washington spirit. Encourage really maybe not surprisingly looking like Kinda the the early contender tournament. I mean both teams started quite strong. I was going to the two teams in their other games that started the stronger service. GonNa say was Washington and the courage so? It's not surprising that it looked like both teams were trying to get that first goal as early as possible. Both teams exchanging throughout much. Yeah, it's. It's interesting to see what's going to happen, you know. I don't know if this this is a twenty seven. I don't know if accounts his the championship and you're Jesse North Carolina repeat, but but. It does seem to be the type of journalist worries. Does anybody have the ability? To devise a game plan that is gonNA. Stop North Carolina, and in an interesting part of the the the way this all get sat is that everybody is GonNa get a chance to see any? Before team start getting eliminated so. So everybody does kind of have a little chance to see what everybody is bringing to the table and I. Want I guess it will be up to to see. Kennedy stopped. Around or like you know it are those experiences especially for a team like Washington. That's doing quite well Can those be used to devise sort of a better battle plan heading into the knockout rounds. Yeah absolutely. It's been. It's been a good tournament so far. I it fits really well into the shape of shape of days with the with my work shifts in the in in also with the timing, so if I work late, I can get off late, and then there's the soccer game are waiting for me so I don't mind that. And it's just been you know the. The? It's great to see soccer back. Some of those goals were really great in. The first daily goal you know she. She pops it up with her. She takes a skipping passive POPs it up and half Ali's to resolve. The? The third goal. I think there was teased game was so good and she's like I guess. I. I I really like I like to stay I like walking this thing on television. If could do like this thing, we'll even Matheson school i? wrote like you're probably not going to score an easier goal or make it look so easy and your career. Also speaks to like having that level of execution at at this stage. Especially considering this her return to things I mean we know what she's capable of, but that's. What you're capable of and actually doing it are two very different things as we know. One here's one concern that I have of the tournament in this similar to my point about mls today, you could only plan so much to try and save. The the news has come out that so they're playing all the preliminary games. Bank stadium and then. The semi, final and final stage will be played at Rio Tinto Stadium. Which is the the? Home ground. They've announced that the US L. team that plays in the organization. The real monarchs is going to try and have a spectator game. In Rio Tinto Stadium before the semi finals at somebody said the Turkey to try it. Did the team. Owners are hopeful that they could get fans in four the end. wfl files stages I feel like for some people. It's GonNa take like literal fans, dropping dead in a live broadcast to finally hit home. That may be. This is just not a good time to do a sports. As much as I'm enjoying watching soccer and I get the idea of having like a bubble city. I mean you have to have full support from the top down in order to make that happen? which is part of the reason? Why did just seems like complete madness to me to pick a place like Orlando where it's the wild west like there's no way of actually creating bubble and preventing infection, sweet, currently seeing. And there are real states. They're like like league AIDS. It is you can look at. It'd be like this is so silly from a planning perspective other consider this, but but even though we don't really know the names of those players who got it, you know those players are at risk. Their teammates are at risk. People who who who? Issued who talked about that talk about raising organizations. While VK exactly like you put it with. Just. It's not. Any other. will end if you're doing contact tracing properly if it's a team member. and. Assuming. They've all trained together. At least once. None of the teams should be playing. No I mean like I. I get that you know they're doing tests and things like that, but you're still. You're basically saying like okay well. We're just going to send all the people who were exposed to corona virus, not all the people that tested positive. And at this stage to where you're like. This is still young virus that we don't know that much about. I was just looking to try to get a little bit more information about the Dallas situation and stumbled across Jj Adams. Saying the athletic is reporting Dallas plans on fully participating in the tournament, even though they may have only as few sixteen players available. Apparently also Vancouver has not yet left for the tournament. I was wondering about that because I hadn't seen much from their social media, saying what they're doing and Axel Schuster saying. If you were to ask me. Are you one hundred percent? Sure you're gonNA play next week. I would say no, but within the next two weeks. Yes, so the part of the reason. It sounds like they haven't left yet. Is there waiting to see potential schedule changes as some teams are? Let's face it probably going to have to drop out of the tournament. which is like at the point where your team has too many players that have tested positive for covid nineteen and you don't have a full squad. Call me crazy, but I say that's time to pack it in. Let's say you know what we're out. We'll see. We'll see in twenty twenty one. I definitely agree with that I think that. Like the idea doing tournament like this. If you are sitting on your own couch, thinking about it I think that. This is a and and I think this is a root of one of the negatives of planning in any industry, any part of the world when it comes to the pandemic is if you don't have it. You can think. Oh well never gonna get it, and my friends are never gonna get it, so it will be fine. and. In in you could draw this whole this. You draw this all your plans up with the idea that you're going to stay. Fine and everybody is GonNa. Say Fine in in. I don't I can't say that. There's no plan because I don't know what they what they do. Have a plan in a situation like this, but it just doesn't seem. Optimal. You know what I mean like like you. Right but. It goes back to what we're saying about like last week about like widened sports have to happen. A. Yeah, we don't. Do certain toll and in like. The. Is Interesting. Is HERE IN BC? We just got word in Vancouver. Urban records can start up again and so there's going to be an abbreviated soccer season of some kind and the measures that they're taking are far more stringent than MLS is taking, and there's been grumblings because they're playing like zonal soccer, where like defenders have to stay in the defensive zone and attackers have to stay in an attacking zone. You have to shoot outside of the Goalkeeper's box. Etcetera like there's all these things, even then. I feel like it's taking. A certain amount of risk just putting that number of people together. but there's sort of grumblings of people being like well. It's not really soccer. Is it? And it was like? No, it's not but you know what some people are trying to salvage a little bit of summer and say it would be nice for own mental health to get out and kick a thing and just be. Sort of around people doing a thing because we love this sport, but we're all acknowledging that we're taking this risk because it doesn't have to happen, and if tomorrow they say you know what it's too big a risk for cancelling it. Then, that's fine, now granted not professional sports, but I just think that. To Watch the the cavalier attitude and the lack of. Actual Concern for player and staff safety is. So incredibly alarming. That to even pick the venue that they did. Dismisses, anything MLS has to say about carrying about the safety of the players in the team's because. The even if they're all on charter, flights They still gotta get on a bus. Where those drivers from are you telling me that they know exactly every single person? Every bus drivers come into contact with staff coming in out of hotels like it's just not possible for them to control it in the way that they think it is, and they chose the city purposely that had lax regulations so that they could make this thing happen, and not have a city or a province or state. Come down at the last minute and say you know what you can't do this. So. I mean to me, it's just like. I really would have loved to have seen soccer. Apparently, something might happen, but at the point where you're a week out and now there's murmurs of rescheduling matches and things like that just like. Just. Now is not the time. If you have the death. The thing is like what does it prove to have half Vesey Dallas? Try to compete in this tournament. WHO's IT for? It's not going to be for the fans because you know all of the DOT. All the players they care about are going to be some of them were going to be you know in? Some cases like Jack, fighting illness and like it's not. I. It's not to. I don't know if it's to prove a point, or what have you? It's not called analysts cop. It's called. MLS is back tournament. It's just it could be like I. Don't understand what the what the risk reward is. You know what I mean. I think it rhymes with honey. And speak speaking of. A sought today the Philadelphia Union's Cory Burke, arguably while most underrated strikers mls, and certainly an important piece for them will not be taking place in the tournament because he's overseas and quarantined and can't get into the United States because nobody's allowed to travel to the United States, because it's dumpster fire of disease right now so again it begs the question, so if you're star, players can't actually return to the country in which they play in because the pandemic is so bad. What what what are you doing? Who He playing this for? This is a long. This is kind of a lot going to be a long term issue because I, you know I can't remember where who tweeted this just before we went up, but Megan, REPEA- out, said. That There probably isn't going to be a US women's national team game in the rest of the year because they're not going to be able to leave the country and nobody is going to. Accept the nobody is going to accept them coming in and nobody is going to go to the states impose. Exactly Tonight seems as well spill ends tournament. To play, keep sense regardless of the global situation. I think I saw that teacher thereto said that he will play. But, if you start to also have that number of players, your star players even questioning. Whether or not it's safe to participate to me that even if they say yes, implies the team then putting pressure on them. or offering incentives for players put themselves at risk and again for what to prove a point like. Do you know well the in in in unrelated related news I did spend. Some time the other day. Watching it mls tournament where players do not put themselves at risk. On Sunday the. Cup. Go this. Fire certified safest way to play 'em. Last right now. PLAY SOCCER! Sports. it was it was it was interesting. I watch the the the stream on twitch. They had the the ah, tournament of players playing sort of fearful twentieth ultimate team mode I. Find It really interesting. That essentially, there are players I guess. That are MLS team in the season lists in so. Almost every team. It's I guess eastwards. It's called the manor of of what is like accepted. As. You know there are all these options with there are a couple of. Players that are the best. You know a lot of people using Andre Blake. Gall. A lot of people using alley. Is like one of the consensus favorite. Right backs You had a Aiko Okawara very often scored error often played in. You know how many seemed like so many of the goals were scored by. Joseph Martinez in Alhambra pathway were like the two were some of the most some of the most prolific. It was really interesting to watch the tournament on. I felt that there were you know in in good. Storylines that built up through the course of it. You had a New York George Dom. Faced two players had been that had a lot of success in the past Alexander I'm. Sporting KC and fiddle, who had blend both of the I? Guess League Series Games this year, and then I'll ask up last here Lost in those first two rounds. I'm in he. The fiddle one came all the way down onto. PENALTY KICKS AFTER A. Meal Mill through regular time I think that in the end it's funny for me because I e MLS. Products I ever was that tournament tournament special. And the first game was New York City versus. Red Bulls in both of their pros Adama in ditty. Chris, Lido. Met In the finals. It was very interesting. Very interesting to see the play styles I was very amused I. Guess to see The ways in which it mirrors real life. In some ways real life football while you had a dual star who had been MLS Cup Cup winner in the past for Philadelphia had moved to Nashville had had. Switched affiliations to Nashville, had The. Has Been having some trouble and I guess the the key thing that hit caused tool to the lose the first trying to fill be ninety. Four was of Toronto was a penalty that was called the. He didn't think that the commentators were all standing around being like this. Do also thought it was a penalty was not a penalty, and he didn't do anything. And just the the discourse around. That was really funny to me. In terms of like the I decided to give a penalty, I'd impressive button. which is so amusing that you have a video game where everything is is set out by algorithm. Still, have people bagging on the referee? Very well was it was it? Drama Rufo. Also appreciated, you know. They had Tommy was talking about that penalty shootout with with with fiddle, and he said you know I played five. Played five friendly last night that all went to penalties, and I lost all five of them, and then he won that penalty shootout. Well one of the things that I think of when it comes to penalties from the twelve yards. Book that ever had is that you know. People think you can't practice for them. Because the competitive situation in the in the practice situation is too wildly different while I think it's clearly you do practice for it regardless of whether or not, you did well in practice having prepared for that situation. Gives you I think something of an edge. As a goalkeeper break and say each definitely practice. You really don't want your first time facing penalties to be in a game situation, yes. Actual stakes. So I, I had a lot of fun while the other thing is that. Atlanta United had signed. A very touted Brazilian East sports player who had who impressed in in the in the Courtney route in the. Quarterfinals, but was was was unable. To make it past the semi's right. I think I need to like familiarized myself more with just like e sports in general to to figure out. because. For me and I knew it wasn't the case, but I was like I think you should have to play with the actual roster of your team that that would make it way more interesting to see. What can you do with Colorado's lineup? But I I mean I get that. That's not quite how it works. but I think it's kind of interesting to see like. Against the equalizer is seeing what different people can do with more or less, the same star players, yes, or or or even like like small. It's like if if somebody makes it, somebody makes a change. It's off of Meta. You know what I mean like it's. It's considered to be a a bold strategy cotton. Right yeah, and I mean. Let's. Face it like a lot of us. Learn a lot of what we know both soccer from the. Franchise and and learning being able to actually release see in control things like your lines and positioning so like it makes sense that mimics things in real life, it also like actual results and things that change games. It also abused me. So you know East? Forte's usually played is actually usually plated per person you. These as events the tournaments are usually of this is a guided meditation on parenting. Take a deep breath in and let go of the time you and your son played basketball, and you attempted to slam dunk or when you hit that Pinata into your neighbor's yard. Let it go. You don't have to be perfect to be a perfect parent. There are thousands of teens in foster care who don't need perfection. They need you for more information on how you can adopt visit. ADOPTUSKIDS DOT ORG a public service announcement from the US. Department of Health human. Services adopt US kids and the Ad Council. 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Are they piping in fake audience noise into each other's houses for the. Bundesliga, or how does that? No, they have. There's no fake crowd noise, but I do appreciate that like they were calling out the the Toronto Tie. For having a for bed status like I don't know if he's bad was not made before like I wasn't really paying attention, but they're like the just imagine these are these are professionals that are being paid before you're called up on television in the commentator decides to roast you to say like Toronto. Essy's philby knife for who has made his bed. Callan protect your protect stars here. Only goodness, a couple of other things happening in MLS, just quick storylines with with no real major talking points, a Sam Nicholson the Colorado rapids has had his contract mutually terminated. No reason given I always thought he gave a lot for that team, but he is out. And Darren mattocks apparently has just gone missing. He is no longer on the FC Cincinnati. Website is not in Orlando traveled with the team I didn't even know this, but apparently there is a major legal case against him in February about a for felony charges of. Insurance Fraud! But I can't find any information about a where he is in space and time. He is. Seemingly Not a part of FC Cincinnati anymore, but also seems to not be a part of any other team. But any outside source as I mean not that he's necessarily star player, but just simply says he plays for FC Cincinnati which FC Cincinnati seems to not acknowledge so. I hope he's okay it. It's yeah, linked Darren. Can you just? You're okay you'd think that he ne- was fired for being for whatever's going on the court case that they would be transparent about that, so it must not be question mark like. Sometimes. I think it's a case where if like there's a loan deal. That's maybe being worked out, you would. Think about that, but I mean it's just so weird to have. He's been there up until recently, and it's only recently that people have been like. Where's Darren mattocks and it's just radio silence so like that to me. I can't think of many instances where a club just says nothing, but just like erases player. It's a lot of. I. We'll have to keep our eyes open for daring Maddox, if you then animus on the pitch before, but this is next level, if maybe on a country like corey bet or just can't get around or won't won't. Entire entirely possible. If you went to visit family, he's just he can't get back in, but again you'd think you'd be like all. That's various, but. Well if you see dramatics, let us know the. As as for the term, it I know so much of what we've talked about his. Not In any way like analysis of what's going to happen on the field partially because. It. Probably won't happen and also like you know. This was the same for the NFL tournament, is it? You don't even know what's going to happen detailed. Until, Rosser released right in one of the things that are part of that is We're GONNA, have a two day transfer window on July, sixth and seventh. That will allow for limited activity in only for teams to round out their roster for example trades among MLS teams will not be permitted during this window so from MLS to. MLS Club. which you think would be the best possible. Comical. That's what you want. If you transfer, where are you going to get players from like our transferring a player? He should be your here in twenty twenty three vaccine pending. Like. No players. Okay, here me out, though so let's see Dallas is down to apparently roughly sixteen players in the. They obviously need to round out the roster. and they can't presumably bring in players from other MLS teams. Will neither you or I play for any Melissa. Got Us all I'm Paul. Is there like a submit button? Or how does this whole thing workout? International transfers are only permitted the acquire player as his work authorization, the USA, or Canada in his already located within the US Air Canada as he is, or he's able to travel with those. Neither you or I could get in anyway so no. Well. This is the thing is if you I think that if you if you came into the tournament with thirty players or twenty three players are everybody gain with. In FC Dallas trying to decide whether or not they're gonNA try do this thing with sixteen. Day should be able to you know. This should be able to spread the wealth around I feel. Yeah? It's just I mean again. You get to a point like this. We are splitting hairs over the most ridiculous things you go. I have an idea. Maybe let's wait for the sports thing for a while and focus on. I don't know people staying alive. Just a just a thought well, but technically if we just ten sixteen players, and literally it's GonNa come down to. It's going to be actual bubble soccer. Everyone's just going to be in. Their big has met suit bumping into each other? Which I'd legitimately pay to see but. You know I when you were describing me your idea of the the urban wreck idea of zonal soccer. I don't eight that I don I. I kind of there's a part of me. That wanted to see what that would look like with professionals. Yeah I. Mean I'm admittedly a little in the dark of how it will actually work, but. Having. Gone horse many a time shouting defender to get back and. Defend. Looking forward to. It's like it's look. It's like a a a stay at home. Order defender Yeah exactly. Shelter in place. Good Sir. Wondering up for anything. Goodness. Well in the meantime soccer may happen. Soccer may not happen. Got Nws L. Continuing on as far as we know. Where can we find you in the meantime? You can follow me on at team Bates on twitter. WWW DOT team hyphen bates dot com. Where can we find you online? You'd find me online on twitter and instagram at that so mls. 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If they changed that, maybe people can come in and actually watch the Games play, and it would be interesting, and you would have like you know people in the stadium. Maybe they sit six feet apart or whatever. It's a big stadium. At least half full right, you could do that. Yeah Yeah. You could I'm switching coffee I'm going from one end up to a full cup because I gotta get through the show. Talk Faster. Okay so. The okay. Fine! I'm not I'm not I'm still stuck with Potomac. SPUDS I want that to pay off. I'm now off of the Washington redskins. I never liked that name I now loved the Potomac spots. Most of us like to be out in the Sun. That's my sunscreen and other safety measures are key to protecting your skin from aging and cancer. The FDA recommends using sunscreen with a sun protection factor, or s a fifteen or higher also look for broad spectrum on the label that means both harmful ultraviolet, A and B rays of block. UV Rays age his skin. You'll be be raised. 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The show live in front of a a Roku facebook live and everywhere just check it all out and we of course broadcast that. Crn Talk Radio, sports byline dog. Radio Sirius Xm channel eleven. Glad to have everybody on board with us here on the show today now. Okay, so we talked about Philadelphia maybe some fans in the. Euro. Did they change and adjust their rules in the coming months. Because right now they say more than fifty people. He is prohibited. to Go ahead and put any kind of a group together if they changed that, they said it's a fluid situation and the policies under constant review. I'm Gordon there now. The city officials may have discussions and situation might continue to work together, so they might be a chance that there might be some fans at least in Philadelphia and. Fifty people are prohibited so right now. Yeah, they'd have to change that rule, so wait a minute. That does this mean that that you can go to the game to go to the vast stadium with fifty people in it? or or fifty people. They? Put people together yeah. Well, that makes sense you go to the game and And there'd be like maybe two hundred people to game. Now I was on a conference call. I almost called you because i. don't hear in the media as well. And apparently, in Los Angeles eleven a pro teams, all the professional teams have forged an alliance. Using the sport. They save for social justice, but it seems like a pretty interesting thing. Eleven professional sports organizations joining together Five Year commitment to. Have some impact for social justice through sports, really getting people in the office that me, it was kind of unclear the way they talked about it, but they said there is another capture nick. Deal it. No, they didn't heal the. Here's my here's my point. I'm I'm really trying to keep a lid on this because. What is it about This guy getting a knee in his neck. And Dying That's a suddenly now has to do with we've now got. We've got to change sports. We've now who is. Changing sports now they're they're not changing or not. Changing the sport. All they're doing is using their their management. Their players to kind of help us, support play Equity Funds. Social Justice, but what I got from it is helping the do models of engagement to get more people involved in sports and in the. Communities in the lower income communities in that kind of thing. I think they got their clippers are involved floors, leaguers, the chargers, the Rams, the ducks, kings and hockey. The angels dodgers in baseball a Los Angeles football all. Racist Response It's new so I. Knew Racist Response. That's what it is. How how please someone tell me? How is it that suddenly a man is murdered in front of everybody on tape and that boomerangs? Now where we okay, let's start taking a look at a baseball basketball football anything to do with black athletes. Let's let's take a peak. Let's revisit Cabernet. Maybe you should owner Tame I. Say this I say to sell Dan. Snyder should sell the team to call and capture. You're talking about the never going back to the. I'm going back for. Signing all of this topic, you're saying sell the team. This topic is all about the door. That was just barely opened about. A white men killing black people remember what the original complaint for Capper Nick was. He says I'M GONNA protest and chill racism is solved. Back and go back and watch what he's doing and he. which was I wanted to hear how he's GonNa do that exactly and of course he he pulled a no show, and all of that all of his effort, all of his well meaning went unheard by people because press never never picked up on it. I think I think what we're missing. Here is a lot of people go to. Sports View Sports to escape reality into to watch a professional game being played, and so you've got you know now. The story is out here Charles. Barkley is in the news and he's. He's now sort of two. He's talking about the in the basketball now. The players are going to be able to put. An messages on the back of their jerseys, everything from black lives matter to equality. What's out may more Charles Charles Barkley saying he put it, he says the fans need a break from reality right now. As millions of people are sick with corona virus, others are suffering job loss I'm quoting him now. He says the last thing they want to do is turn on their television and hear arguments all the time. It's going to be very interesting to see how the public reaction I agree with. Cornell it at some point. Where do we go to escape all of this? Argument and and. Left right and this disagreement with that I mean come on. Your own actions pull together and let's watch an actual game. Here are the rules of the game. Everybody can play everybody's equal. Let's play the game and I WANNA. Watch my spuds play. That's what I want to. See your back to the name of the spuds there again. Okay I've got stuck. There's nowhere else to go can't dwell on anything else in sports right? Now was no sports well of course. They keep talking about as long as they talk about it. And as long as our producer according to Kandara, comes in with stuff about the Philadelphia Eagles might actually lead people. Watch a game the I I'll read that and take a look at it and realize that will. That's a half baked idea, and let's you know. And so now Dan Snyder is You know he's flopping around and. He's he's acquiesced. It's his team. He can do whatever he wishes. He gets the the the PAT on the back from the other thirty one owners, and he gets the money especially from. The main music. He continues to get paid by the advertising. and. you know a you know a a a need to the neck. All. Comes down to to this type of response, and that's it has a A. An effect where it just ripples down team team now suddenly which GonNa come out of it. What happened to that guy who got his His his get suffocated by the NIA neck I. Don't know, but did you know the Potomac? SPUDS ARE ON TV. Right now. And and so that's where everything goes, so so I'm trying to figure out what happened to Colin Kaepernick. Why isn't somebody now saying? I'm going to go interview calling capper neck now and I want to finally find out what the hell. He's talking about and I want to give him airtime. Lebron James Airtime to to say I'm going to my talent to south. Beach big they. They let him do. All of that. Crap will bring Colin Kaepernick on and put them in front of the cameras. HAVE ESPN OR ABC ABC? How about those people giving giving calling capra Nixon airtime some quality time, so he calling capture nick can sell the airtime to advertisers and put some money in his pocket. You WanNa do that. Let's do that. Let's have a conversation about that, but they but they don't have. They don't have any today. You can do anything. Honestly you can do anything you know from from from. Having the League. If you're good enough, basketball player, have the League you know. Give you the airtime to do what you want to promote your new movie. That's coming out and you know. If you don't do it. You're racist if you don't agree with them, you're racist. That's where you're going. That's where it is the political. Of the politics of skin color is alive, and well in rears its ugly head. If let me ask you, question did this go on when you played? You know what I'm saying. It didn't happen. It's like everybody was equal on. The team didn't go on. I've watched you with the players and we've gone to some of these fan events and things like that. You guys are all at one. You're like a brotherhood of people that are together. You're not looking at skin color. It's like one I must trying to jake the. System by by saying. Hey, I will by this t shirt I've got you know you know. Black lives matter with my picture on it so? You can buy. Shirt for sixty five dollars. What you do that, you're supporting black lives man. No, you're not. You're supporting the jerk. That's wearing the shirt. Things happening here with our fan base now they're up on the. Beverly saying hi good evening from Leslie Bernard Says Hello from Ottawa, Canada tuned in, they say thank you. Adrian says thank you for sharing. And then some names have come in here. We got. The. Bruce Says The Washington weasels Kathy Likes The Washington hogs. There was the Washington Warriors. Paul is out there. He wants to Samsung Lions. He's hung up on the Samsung Lions every week. He says. So names are going out there now. Those names for the changing of the name now from the Washington. Redskins to whatever the new name is going to be. I'm trying to work something that would. I think people would really like and has to do with the bill and Hillary Clinton. Yeah? What do you got there the the baby rushmore? That's what has in Mount Rushmore Yeah and on the side of the helmet. You've got pick out three or four Liberal Democrats. You can put on the side of your helmet. You put them up there. WOULD BE THE The Rushmore Rushmore! Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore rushing in the game of football, alive. You could make it work, and then, of course you have a great opening weekend. Bring all the failed criminal. Pop politicians and by that time. You know you'll get. You'll get What's his name Plugs Biden? He'll come in and and. Point him toward the field. No, no, no over here over here. That's the field down there in this is the baby rushmore. Oh yeah, that looks good down there. What's WHO's playing baby rushmore as you jerk? And, and that's that's how you. That's how you would celebrate the new name of the team. And Dan Snyder, for. More to come. He could leave as far as I'm concerned. 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The all pro defensive end. The acting legend got a lot of Emails that we missed last week. Fred I'm Don I know we do well ahead. My daughter on your daughter and we could not get to the email so I thought we'd take some time and. Take some of these. Klina said this is some birthday greetings because you had your birthday on January and July sixth very happy, belated birthday, Sergeant Hunter, wishing you all the best hoping that this time you have time to reply to my email since I've emailed you millions of times with no response, kind regards Klina and she is. In Sydney Australia you got. A little response there. Listen. Are Very devoted because you're so far away, but yet the technology aspect of this show brings everybody right here and I sure appreciate it. Keep keep sending those. Letters and emails and stuff on the Fan mail list and will We greatly appreciate it. Thank you April says April Susan says Fred Love you and hunter I cannot find the three movies, though in good watching conditions, and not even on Ebay. Please point me where I can watch them. My grams God rest. His soul loved. You're acting as well. So where do we find the hunter movies well first of all. Thank you grams for your. Support and April April Susan. Is that two names, or is that a her whole name? April? Susan Yeah I think that's her name might be. A hand might be some sort of handle. Hand Okay. I, have no idea where any of this stuff is anymore. There's so many platforms in. There's so much diversification of entertainment stuff product I have no idea where it is I I've had people. You don't have copies of it I don't have people I know I I don't I. Don't know I met him I. Don't own hunter stuff in them Gotcha. Let's say but I but April I. Don't look. April you know we'll take a look and see which with who you know. Who knew was an NBC deal there for a while and maybe the phillies. Might be there might be there. Some for Leslie Says Great Show last week so glad to see Fred's daughter Caitlin I understand that only. Saw Kayla, your your two granddaughters and probably your grandson WanNa get involved beyond the show. Is that right exactly their producers, you know they are producers well. If the NBA guys can do it, my eight year, old grandson can do. Genus has happy. Belated Birthday Fred. We Love Hunter and your current radio show. Keep telling it like it is well. That's the only way we know how to do it. Ginny! Way. Sure appreciate you watching. By the way, the rumors out there, Bill says. Sheldon Adelson wants to buy the New York mets. Have you heard about that? I heard it when I came into work. Yeah, what do you think well? Let them do it i. mean he better get it before they make the change in name. He hadn't he can call the New York's buds. There's still room for that. You know if this idiot, dance night or doesn't grab. ESE has to move fast if he doesn't grab the Potomac spuds then let the let the let the geniuses in New York running the baseball team haven't Williams says this week in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy two. Here's some for your Carroll. Rosenbloom assumes ownership of the Los Angeles Rams Nfl. NFL and he's he says I want to make the horns on the rams helmet as famous as the Yankees pinstripes. I remembered that I remember I. Remember that he came as a matter of fact, he made that announcement and We were at training camp when he came in on his zillow copter, he came in. It was on the at Fullerton. Cal State Fullerton and we were on the football field which at that time. I think it is still there I think that football field is their next Tuesday baseball. Diamond. Terrific Baseball program there and. He came flying in, and they cleared Centerfield out there for mckimmie land, and everybody stopped practice to watch the new owner come in who had just said. He's GonNa make the realm. It's as famous as Yankee pinstripes. And then he came over to the sideline, and then all the team came over and took a time out and say hey, how you doing good to see you, and it was great to know that he was. He was coming in already a great honor. Already you know with the with a reputation for doing things correctly. And he came in and he just said I'm here. I don't WanNa play with me practice, but we're going to win a lot of football games and and he did in fact. Say I WANNA make the ram horns as famous as Yankee pinstripes. That's why they screwed him up because. People talk. About? Pamela says a while ago. A Fan wended Fred. Wear flip flops on one hundred episode now. She says it was the first episode of season. Six from October of eighty, nine with guest are Aaron Gray, not a good photo. There's one here we're GONNA hold up in a second and tells you watch it on TV on Roku facebook. Live and Youtube and crn. Talk Dot Com but notice his feet because it's taken from the DVD, but a really great episode there you are wearing flip flops and apparently. Aaron Gray Portrays Star of. Of Talk Radio Show Kate Lawson. Who's being stalked by an obsessed fan you? As Hunter Fred volunteer to protect your bright, pretending to be her boyfriend, and then I wasn't pretending then you end up falling for her hard sell Mr Dryer so handsome and charming that they look good together, but he is absolutely sensational when Mr Dryer has hunter learns that Kate Lye Him and leaked the story to the press. Draw the line there, Mike. Can't lie hunter. Later what he's forced to shoot the sick man. He gets angry at Kate because it didn't faze her in the least. Cold hearted dynamic ending with terrific acting especially by Fred. There's the picture and let me ask you, Fred. I've noticed that. You've worn flipflops different places to you. Are you comfortable in? Apply got him on right now. Man You do. I mean. The show today? Can you hold up for our cameras, so people can actually see the yeah hold on. Hold on flip flops where by the way Casey I want to these. Put a number eighty nine on their. Little more a little more gotta get right by the microphone. There you go, look at the red eye that. Those of you that on radio. It's a kind of a tread on the bottom. Those look like very expensive. How about this the the Potomac flying flip flops? I'm telling I'm telling you Washington flip. If we add another hour to this show, I'll come up with about another dozen names for you and Dan Snyder. He's free to use anything I say. I'd set so okay just says I hope you had a wonderful birthday Mr. driver did. Did you ever have a favorite birthday gift? When you were a kid, a favorite birthday gift I. Tell my mother. I'd say I you know. Don't get me a gift. Just give me a great chocolate cake. Chocolate cake. Make sure you got. And whipped cream. You know not this stuff you get at Ruth's Chris but You know on a on a hot summer day. How hot was on my birthday? But one hundred and eighty? It was hot. Yeah, and that whip cream. They brought out. You know it just simmered right down to soupy soupy stuff. He was no consistency. You couldn't put a Pencil and my whip cream on my birthday and have a stand up and no candles because you can't do that, not Theresa says we wish you happy birthday. Mr Dryer Pam. Says it's good birthday. And then she asked me says Mr. do you think this birthday profile fits? Fred, here's the January the July. Keep saying. July six birthday for you says that you're imaginative, spontaneous, dedicated pleasant. Attentive. Impatient not impotent, impatient, unpretentious cancer, the crab, and this is born on July six. You saying that I'm impotent and I have crowd i. Think. That's what you just said quoting me. Impatient now Brian says happy birthday Fred de Mike Yates. Happy Birth Kratz told me crabs. Graham says happy birthday to Fred Dryer he's from Australia. Tama has happy birthday Fred. My Dad Time McCann went del Camino with you is a wrestler coach for fifty years. He wanted me to wish you a happy well God. Bless him and I sure appreciate it. I hope I have many more. I don't know if I want to be around for another fifty I gotTA. Take that I I. I. CAN'T I I'm frightened to live long enough to have another team change? Its name Matt says Happy Birthday, Mr Dry, you're awesome. As Sergeant Rick Hunter in under I was happy when you sent me Nice things along with the time to answer my questions, you gave me advice about working hard and my on my disability, which has autism with a learning disability when I sent you a letter, explaining how you truly inspire me and by the way. They'll watch reruns of Hunter I. always enjoy seeing your character sergeant. Rick hundred team up with the sergeant DD McCall thank you. I'm going through a thank you very very much I really appreciate this. I just wanted to show these to you. Because some people think I didn't play for the giants, but I'm Gonna I'm GonNA started his career with the New York giants. Here's A. Here's a straight ahead cameras right here by me. Display area go Yankee stadium with my rookie year say playing against who is that Chicago Bears I. Fat that guy he's and then and then this is one. This was another one whose in the background there that. Tommy Joel Crutcher Autonomy Joke Reggie fifty six Tommy Joe Crutcher later on the following year. This was sixty-nine rookie in the next year. Matt Hazel and my Great Friend who wore number sixty four. He He. He played for us and then I. Don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to drink water some, but the point is is that people are out there all the time listening to us and I've I've seen photographs I have not seen a couple of these but I there was a guy who was. Giacomo or somebody like that that was the Giacomo Conkland the famous. s exactly what? We're not. Jaakko common. Did It was Giacomo. I think the. Anyway, he he was He was the. Official photographer at Yankee Stadium there on the. Pictures. He did we need one of those? If you can get out, give these in the office. I'M GONNA. Give this to you. Buy The RAM foot. I'M GONNA commit myself on air. Now that's good. You have that thing. Good shot there this go. figure out who he is. Trying to put the move on Ya, gotTa! He was. He was about he was about ready to receive. The old flipper and there you are looking for almost right. Do I would engage him and then hop around him and flattened down the line of scrimmage. Confounded too many tackles in the wind up quitting. They don't WanNA play us. That's good 'cause you can found. That is good. Okay now. We got just a little bit of time left here in another short segment, the big story that we haven't touched on his the braves. It looks like they're signing the former dodger. Reds Indian outfielder seal. We got a GIG. PUIG. The tweet. He's GonNa. Do Great with the braves. Let me tell us they've got a problem. One of their guys out there, Nick! macaca says opted out of the twenty twenty season earlier this month, so they had a little opening there in the Outfield, the Mkaku family lost another another guy Yes, y'all was a all star in twenty fourteen and Batu to sixty seven, one hundred forty nine games last year with the reds in the Indian. I think you got a little bad problem. When he was in that fisticuffs incident between the pirates and the reds, that's when the reds that was the last game with the reds, and they traded him right away to the Indians and he kind of helped them down the stretch, but not helping them enough to get into a playoff spot now. I just say this. Please before the music show. The. I've been asked many times. I would not want to sign a great player like way. Yeah, here's the problem. You can't trust the. He will suddenly explode and make a for the smallest little thing into a huge thing and break the tradition and break the momentum of the team. They don't want people like that in the locker room. That's the one of the main reasons. A UCLA plea I mean he can hit baseball's. You can hit twenty five home runs a year. You want that fight, but what else? What else are you GonNa get when you get your CEO but Toma quake still a fan favorite in Los Angeles in the fans, not my. 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The Adventures of Sam Spade starring Howard Duff as it was originally broadcast seventy two years ago today to lie eighteenth, nineteen, forty, eight, missing news, hot paper, and we thank you for tuning in on this. Saturday the Eighteenth Day of July, the two hundred day of the year we have one hundred and sixty six days remaining until finally out of twenty twenty. A great fire began on this date in. In sixty four ad that ultimately destroyed most of Rome the Emperor Nero blamed it on Christians, and that began the first Roman persecution of them, the first volume of Adolf Hitler's Mein Com published on this date in nineteen, twenty five President Truman signed the Presidential Succession Act into law, which place the speaker of the House and the Senate president pro tem next in line of succession after the vice president. Fourteen year old Romanian gymnast, Nadia, Comaneci, which earned the first perfect score, a ten at the Olympics on this date in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety six, and went on to score six more tens and win three gold medals. After a party on Chappaquiddick Island Senator Ted Kennedy from Massachusetts drove an Oldsmobile off wooden bridge into a tide, swept pond and his passenger Mary Jo Kopechne died at the inquest I responded does completely and truthfully as I could to the questions that were put to me by the judge as well as the. District Attorney. it's my own personal view that the inferences and ultimate conclusions. not satisfactory and I. I reject those. this is now a made public and As it should be and the ultimate decision will be with the public as it. Should be. Kennedy pled guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of a crash, causing personal injury and later received a two month suspended jail sentence. I'M NOT GONNA get into that. A shakeup in the cabinet of President Carter on the state in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, after a long and very careful assessment. I have made some major changes in my. Cabinet. Secondly. These changes are all constructive. And the transition from one leader to another in each case. Will be utterly and properly conducted. Third. I do not expect. Any further resignations. From the cabinet other than those that have already been made. They are a few vacancies. which I will without delay. Fourth. I want to express my thanks to those who have served and who? Will now be leaving. And V. I need the full support. All the American people. In the future. I am well pleased. With all the changes that have been made among those shown the door secretary of the Treasury Michael Blumenthal Attorney General Griffin Bell. Secretary of Commerce Juanita KREPS and Secretary of Health Education Welfare Joseph. Califano time referred to the incident as Carter's great perch. Interestingly enough, the media didn't make some much out of Carter shakeup as they have the shakeups in our current president. Go figure. Rebecca Schaeffer shot by a crazed fan on this date in one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, prompting California to pass America's first anti-stalking law in Nineteen Ninety schaeffer killed by those gunshots, the Government of Detroit with up to twenty billion dollars in debt filed for the largest municipal bankruptcy in history on this date in twenty thirteen. Among those passing away on this date in history, John Paul Jones novelist. Jane austen Bobby Fuller of I fought the law and the law. One and Aidan Adrian krone our from. Good Morning Vietnam Fain Course krone our, and yes, that was a real well kind of a real story as best as you get an Hollywood picture. But Yeah Robin Williams portrayed aging crone our. Born on this date in history, funny funny chill wills, also Hume Cronyn the husband of Jessica Tandy driving Miss Daisy. He steamed. WHO's one of the? Elder actors in Cocoon, also astronaut politician John Glenn, Singer screaming Jay Hawkins Guitarist Singer Lonnie Mack. And the very funny in the very touching red skeleton. Without San Francisco world all I had a lot of fun out there. Only thing was cold. The weather was so cold when they were serving hot dogs with Mustard Thompson sweaters. Rally ran walk up one of our drills and she says listen. If you want to stay in this new ranch, you'll have to take also blue type. Girlfriend Florida Blue Thais. I'm cold. Fairground Big Nokia. I walked around so much when I got through. My socks look like. What happened to that guy? From the radio show Abalon time, red skeleton born on this date in history, happy birthday number eighty the Mr. Barbra streisand James Brolin number seventy nine for Martha Reeves of Martha and the Vandellas Entrepreneur politician Steve Forbes's seventy-three Sir Richard Branson is seventy today. Ricky skaggs the country bluegrass musician sixty six. She was in in the heat of the night in living color, and that's so Raven Anne Marie Johnson is sixty from ragtime and ordinary people. Elizabeth McGovern turns fifty nine from the red. Hot Chili Peppers Drummer Jack Irons is fifty eight L. Snow he was in. W in the WWE TNA slash impact wrestling and now he owns Ohio valley wrestling. He, just never learned for these fifty seven. He still has a ways to go actor Vin. Diesel is fifty three from Moronic Amar's Mars heroes in the good place Kristen Bell Sporty from Quantico Mrs Nick. Jonas Priyanka Chopra his thirty eight from gossip girl Chase Crawford, is thirty five and the WWE's Mandy rose turns the Big Three Oh. Those just a few of the people who celebrate the eighteenth of July, is their birthday, and if this happens to be your birthday, hi, we're the four freshmen and we just WANNA say. 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