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Don't Worry About The Government

02:43 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

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"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

Don't Worry About The Government

08:34 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

"T g. Please go and support the show for me at dwa tgi really. If you don't want to hear about this. I understand reportings coming out here from fox. News bbc news and also a group that found that i like called the wieger human rights project. That does a nice job tracking all of this stuff on gonna just read various passes. I saw now women. In china's so-called re education camps have been systematically raped and tortured. That's according to first hand accounts obtained by the bbc. It's estimated more than a million men and women have been detained in the camps in china's northwest since young region china claims the camps or reeducation centers to de radicalize. Week is and other muslim minorities at correspondent. Matthew hill has spoken to several former detainees and workers and you may find some of their accounts. Distressing tussin i is. I wouldn't is reliving story. She can barely bring herself to tell. She was held at one of zang's so-called reeducation camps these satellite images. Show the site where tasanai says. She was held sharing a cell with thirteen other women with a bucket for a toilet now and she's haunted by one image. Most men coming down a camp corridor like this one after midnight. Which are them too. They were three men to not threes. Just did whatever he will their mind could think of. And they didn't spare anyone of my spiking to the extent that it was disgusting to look at. They didn't just wait until tomorrow. Barrick the bubble laws. They had beaten all over my body. The us have granted her safe refuge. Investing her claims. She's waived her right to anonymity and now feels free to speak out about the full extent of the abuse. She says she suffered by women. They had an electric baton talk. I didn't know what it was. It was pushed into my private parts and i was tormented with electric shocks. It's estimated over. A million workers and other muslims are held in the comes. We've interviewed a former. God unseen his chinese police documents. He's the first ever to come forward and the risk of him speaking. The bbc is so great. We've reconstructed interview with an accident. Druce who were taken inside were locked in a cell which held eight to sixteen inmates. There were camara's watching them all the time on adila books about jinping to have studied the book and the memorize them in chinese. If the fell to punishment was severe many former camp. Inmates sleet istanbul. Some talk of having to choose between punishment all being complicit in these crimes on few women on the six months as a cleaning work for the women on chinese man would pay money to have their pick of the pretty young inmates. This was the first time glares told anyone the full extent of what she says she was forced to do. I came into. My job is to remove their clothes and then handcuffed them on their beds so they can't use shishir down into the men always wore masks said chursoo. Ni- zia dune are zero june. I sorry about the name. Even though there was no pandemic then they wore suits. She said not police uniform. Sometimes after midnight they would come to the cells and select women. They want to take it. Take them down a corridor to a quote black room where there were no surveillance cameras several nights. This person said they took her perhaps the most. Perhaps this is the most unforgettable scar on me forever. I don't even want these words to spill from my mouth. I stripped off my clothing. Then they out my earrings so that my ears were bleeding. But i didn't feel the pain. I felt worse for one. Elderly woman like grandmother. They stripped everything off her and she kept falling on the ground and they kept pushing her and pulling her up and she just kept falling down. How you do that to a mother. Any woman under forty was raped. Everyone in the camp experience this. And of course i did too. I was also beaten. I was kicked stamped on one. So much on my private parts that i was bleeding and i have since had to have my ovaries removed. This is what the chinese government is doing and they know what they're doing. I hope biden is tough because like we we should be standing up alone but we should definitely be rallying global coalition to go after china on this and by the way sanctioned the fuck out of them which yet we'll start a trade war. Yeah i'm fine with trade war to stop the genocide. But i i'll be able to sleep absolutely fine if our economy takes dip manufacturing goes down a little bit because we stop a genocide of the weaker muslims and. I think it's very possible if we're gonna talk politics this to sell this the republicans to as we're do the trade war. We're on the side of the light. Were standing up against the muslims. China china is bad a narrative. They seem to really like and yeah. No i think we ought to Because the chinese government the are overseeing a fucking genocide in their country and they know what they're doing and they're happy to do it and they don't want stop and fox news. The bbc the nation all three articles. All three of these quotes came from that and the cbc four very different sources. Everyone in the world's reporting it chinese know what's up. They know that we know they. Just don't think we have the balls to do anything about it. And i think we should prove them wrong. Yeah i hope we do i. I'm really curious where this where this travels. And how much steamed the The biden administration allows This to to get in i I've honestly heard people on the right. Speak about this more than people on the left. It seems and i know that some of the loudest voices for denial ism. What is happening in. And john come from the left and it's i've been pulling punches on autism but i've been seeing it for several years down. It has made me very uncomfortable because like this is a fucking genocide i just. I don't understand where the lack of moral clarity is coming from. I hope that it's coming from out of the country. I worry whenever. I see get picked up by people who are in the country. I got to see all right around the show. I get to see some dinosaur eggs. Yesterday i reconnected with some old friends. They run a business doing all sorts of minerals amethyst and quartz and all that stuff but they also have fossils as well and one of the things that they have is our seventy five million year old dinosaur eggs like a hatch an actual clutch klay thinks it's called take you right. Yeah a clutch of yeah clutch of but like they were remarkably well preserved so cool to just go like holy shit seventy five million years ago. That was a lot like super humbling. It's super inspiring anyways. 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"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

Don't Worry About The Government

06:31 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

"Terrorists and that really the ranger kara legal immigrants in court aung sense suu cheap banks the army but made a rare admission it cannot be ruled out that disproportionate force was used by members of the defense services in some cases in desert god of international humanitarian law but use acclaimed any violence. The hingis suffered was caused by armed conflict in route. Nine state started by hinge militants. She rejected the accusations of genocide. Ten debbie genocidal intent on the part of the state that actively investigate prosecute and punish his soldiers and officers who are accused of wrongdoing liberals. Liked it because they liked the idea of a strong female leader in a democratic country s so technical and then liked it and then republicans liked it because they had a fig-leaf to wage the war on terror going after muslim minority population. You know it's a great democracy in the military has always had a very strong hold on it. The alternative though. I think on sunk sukey looked at. This is egypt you so you get in you. Try to fight up against the military which is what more seat did. And then the military just comes in kicks your ass out. I unsung sukey and a lot of you know. There are a lot of people probably think you know you take what you can get democracies growth process and like this is not a perfect relationship but we can keep pushing back against the military over time. I would probably be in that camp if i was over there. But there's also problems. Like i mean i definitely in twenty seventeen with more see getting the boots twenty thirteen in egypt ending up a dictatorship again after less than two years of democracy. Yeah i'd be worried about if i was in myanmar. Yeah sure i get it. I get it but i mean a certain point. Yeah the military. Also we'll try to run roughshod on you like they went the egyptians zigged and ended up in a ditch. The people of myanmar. I don't i don't know what the me and maris the zagged and they ended up in a ditch in a different way but this just shows kind of getting back to what matt lewis and our time on the last episode. These are two really great. Examples of how fragile democracy can be and a thing that is kind of scary. Is that some of these cues. Were taken off of always happening here domestically. It appears the military saw the me and more military saw what the us was considering Trump's administration was considering in terms of hanging onto power and kind of like the whole. Stop the steel thing. Because they're all this focusing on sunk sukey is based round false claims that like the election was errantly decided or something like there was a rigged election. It's not like she definitely clearly one But they took. Those cues and worth remembering that mike. Flynn was actually talking about using martial law to keep trump in office. Well that brings. The nike and was discussing with trump and trump was impressive. This is back in december. This is like six weeks ago also or he could order the within the swing states if he wanted to he could take military capabilities and he can place them in those states and basically run an election at each of those states. It's not unprecedented. I mean he's people out there talking about martial law. It's like it's something that we never done. We've done martial law has been instituted sixty four sixty four times greg. Yeah i've key saying it because like i it's very e- forces in the media what to move past the thing that happened on one six and in the more i feel that energy the more i wanna push back gas so weird thing to revisit without in the right context but also not lose your your Your audience yes. We're we're not going back for for the unseen time finishing off on this The stuff involving the wieger muslims in china appears to be on a bit of a collision course with the olympics and we may see a scenario where the olympics do not occur in beijing beijing set to have the twenty twenty two olympic games however the reporting coming out of east xinjiang which we've talked about for number of years here and we saw about this several years ago because it got on my radar early this muslim minority population in east. John knows the week has been persecuted. Violently An attempt to hana fi the east xinjiang province. Han being the dominant the equivalent. Of what here. In america if you will essentially like you to purify ish and john of its religious. 'cause chinese government is secular does not like religion in any way this religious bein order. This muslim minority does not believe the same things that the chinese people do. So say the chinese government and we've got reports out of the awfulness of the we camps people disappearing millions of people disappearing people being forced to change their language. People not being allowed to pray practice the religion that they believe and we've had talked about in the past the program that the chinese government does a one family one country. I don't often invoke like war. Two era germany But it's as though the china's government took lessons in queues off of the nazi party's at the cleansing program. And we're like how can we update the nazi playbook. I don't say that lightly. I actually with some consideration. But they're raping the women in here. I'm going to read some stuff if this is not what y'all wanna hear right now. I understand real quickly If if you need to end the show really patriotic dot com slash. Twa.

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"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

Don't Worry About The Government

10:06 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

"They still wind themselves under that Caucus okay yeah You could say for instance look look pelosi were We're aligning ourselves You're asking for ninety five percent solidarity with with with the vote We're gonna give you. We're going to give you ninety based on Now aligning ourselves with ninety percent of the things that are so centrist in nature that they have to get through mansion There should be some sort of open conversation there. If the justice caucuses really trying to flex their muscle in wherever they can incrementally go ask for ninety percent set. A ninety five like like agreed agreed to different terms. Or at least push back on the terms that you're given It if they want you to agree to a ninety five percent solidarity on the house at least say like openly like look. We don't believe in in making an agreement with with anything greater than ninety percent and make them in the media like push-back on you from there or else. I don't know i this. I always feel like the left is squandering their their opportunities. Here and Yeah i yeah. I i feel like they're opportunities missed. I i also keep going like detroit. Two and a half weeks into administration and this is when these agreements are moving. Yeah no it's it's a balance. It's a very fine balance because like no with the centuries and like what kind of beltway narrative. Oh don't worry about. We'll get that six months but like it's amazing. How many doors close within six months at trump had that exact same experience Obama had that experience. I've lived in documented and talked about politicians going through that experience. I've seen it. And that's what i'm talking about political capital. I'm talking about that perceptual doorway of halls or doi or hallway of doors. Poli of doors. I was gonna call this episode. Patricia said for the but doorway of hough. Its getting deep man anyways like you have all these doors and they close you. Walk down the hall and like the further. You go down the hallway. There's still doors but they are more distant. There are a lot more doors in this first few months. Some of traps some some of them lead to more halls but dumb halls dumb holes. Yeah dumb hall. Yeah so the segue genius off of that. I'm going to move us now in world news. This is a god world is really really dark to. I guess i'll transition is in a news here on sunday out of india is that a giant glacier glacier broke off. I cannot pronounce this geographical locations but has resulted in the death of one hundred fifty people. I don't know how many of these tragedies are gonna take place like for instance I think the closest thing we have regarding to climate changes the landslides That are on the On the west coast. I guess anything around the ring of fire could potentially have a landslide forest fires. Yeah fires obsequies and all but i think the the and then also alaska. The the melting ice fields in alaska. And there's a. there's a clear. Recession of host store like permafrost areas Is yet to be these places worldwide where they used to there used to be a cultural kind of cost benefit analysis on okay. It's still worthwhile to live there. And i think we're starting to see the beginnings of the timelines of Yeah that's it. I'm no longer living in houston. I'm no longer rebuilding my house for the third time after another hurricane Like we're yeah. Yeah no new orleans. I mean going back to college. Said they did the evacuation new orleans and i remember at the time kind of discussion being like okay like but you're going to go back sure. Yeah because you're you're under sea level and like don't get me wrong. New orleans is one of my favorite one of my favorite cities in the country. Probably one of the first places. I'll go when the pandemic lifts and i can vaccinated and i can go on vacation again. I'll probably go to new orleans for a week like joe. No joke exiled the food there. I even drink a party like that. But i i love music. I love the food and it's cheap. It's cheap vacation but it's also like geographically speaking not a tenable place to live probably Yeah gateway of the mississippi that is no longer The job creator wants was. Yeah i know say that a job creators thing i'm talking about like they're alright level. They keep building these. You can build massive levies and they could dump a ton of money into the levies. I'm sure on that but they won't and even if you did you still can't change the fact that the oceans rising there's no answer for the sea level rising That's the unpleasant part of all of this is like the sea level is just going to keep rising. We don't have a way of fixing the climate like a scientific breakthrough that would allow for like a frosting of the planet. Or something weird. Which we're not gonna do. It would make like symbol billion. People are not going to you know go for. Hey we're launched satellite into space and it might kill us all but might also save us from global warming no. We're not going to do that all right. So now i want to finish you off on me and mar in myanmar. this week. They had a coup You following this. I followed a little bit more than just the aerobics video. If you know what. I mean are you wear the aerobic. Yeah i i know they rugs videos plus this much okay so Yeah man that that that that that visual is totally It's spooky and it's totally mean friendly all at once so to give you all set up here for more than half a century beginning in nineteen sixty to me and more was ruled under military dictatorship. It wasn't actually until twenty ten with an on song. Sukey and her party won elections that myanmar began to have a democracy. A lot of us grew up knowing me and more as burma one of my favorite groups up sub michigan. Burma of seen them live there. Incredible band they probably would not have as much zing if their mission of the amar but a bit of a mouthful eminem mo am mom. I love mom anyways. Point being me and more becomes a democracy in two thousand. Ten sukey gets awarded a nobel peace prize. Things feel good and this is deep into the twenty ten era of good feeling around the idea that facebook is going to spread democracy that democracies in an upswing that we're having the arab spring which is in arising of democracy across the world that egypt was moving towards democratic society. They of course have now. Ended up back under generalissimo He's on a general anymore. Okay sure but i mean come on like get off so there's a real hope I'm old enough to remember. Make this joke until blue in the face. I'm old enough to remember when. Facebook was viewed as a tool for spreading democracy across the planet And in places like me and more cetera other kind of holding a lot of keeping a free and open internet where things start to go off the rails when they agreed to china that they would restrict some services when they started to make her tailings for fascist regimes Facebook really started to show what they actually were become what they were anyways. The military was no longer ruin the country after twenty ten but not unlike in egypt. The military doesn't just fuck off especially not after they've had a military dictatorship military's once they tend to get a taste of dictatorial. Power liked to hang onto it in egypt. They threw off the muslim brotherhood pretty quickly. And thus the general lisa mo was able to step back in and go no more mubarak. But i will step. In bring you back mubarak essentially Mubarak mubarak well the military never fully went away in me and more either and they launched an ethnic cleansing operation of the muslims in in myanmar and unsung sukey. Because yes she was nominally in control of the democracy but it was a tentative one more or less had to toe the line behind behind this purge other hinge muslim on the planet of the rohingya. Muslims is one of the subjects. Were coming today in media. Watch for that. I'm joined by haxhi minds. Belkin agassi haxhi. As far as we head there the un chief talking.

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"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

Don't Worry About The Government

08:45 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

"For not going through metal detectors Nancy pelosi at various goes. It's beyond comprehension. Why any member would refuse to adhere to these simple commonsense steps. To keep this bodies save is beyond beyond comprehension. What any democratic lawmaker would not be whipped into submission to do this and honestly beyond beyond beyond comprehension that we'd even need to whip eddie of these democratic lawmakers into doing this man i am i. I'm i'm really exploring this right now. I'm trying hersher brain right. Yeah because i look at the day's is like maybe. If i see the naves this will make more sense to me. No no it doesn't. I gave the names. They're they're like no name. What's from oregon wants from hawaiian. Wants for main. These are like not. Especially i think of it. There was a terrorist attack q. u. the trump people want to kill democrats. You're democrat the you think they're gonna give a shit that you're like actually all the bill. That was good for house. Members took those dollars do go through the medical detector. Please stop beating me with the flag. No that's not going to happen. Oh no you're cracked skull on the floor of the capitol steps but my votes were good. No they don't care you're not protected the only thing that would maybe protect them as the magic are and the magic aren't necessarily going to protect you. Just go and ask mike pence. I don't understand this. What is in the future though. Maybe not for. Da time soon as at least vote on dc statehood the house. Democrats have introduced legislation. That would make washington. Dc the fifty first state. Amazing to me. The joe biden did not use the first week. Wave to get this right out the gate. And they're worried they're worried about a filibuster And the filibuster threshold but like this is another thing where i think schumer needs to change the rules on this. So that he can have a vote on dc statehood and win win. Would if you got that passed win. Would that be engaged. As far as having a senator and windows that election take place mid to midterms midterms. Yeah i thought this gives the democrats a tremendous opportunity to hang onto the senate as well For this reason this is the thing that joe manchin will be fighting and fucking neil because it takes away all of his leverage as mr v vote if they're two more democrat. Yeah yeah so. This is the thing that he will be fighting tooth and nail and the democrats. I think just need to bring him to heel on this. And this is where burning the bridge right word really matters to go back to that real quickly not to live there forever. But the whole point of that is once. You burn the right word bridge for joe mansion. He has two options leave. Politics are be a good democratic soldier and hope that he gets the democratic money coming in at a serious way and the democratic. Help coming in a serious way and the reason you want bring him to. Heel is so that you could do things that are overdue to be done like dc statehood. Because right now a part of the whole dozy doe would joe manchin the has to be done in order to keep this guy in. Is this immoral. Stance of denying representation to the people of washington dc. Meanwhile the people of delaware who probably population wise are very similar. Like within twenty percents They have full representation in congress. Oh where's the concession. Here is this may be. I'll do dc not porter rico. While like where does the center Us mansion to oppose oppose like well. We'll do dc and boy rico and in exchange will make sure you keep winning seats in in west virginia and we will scorch your earth and get you out of politics that it sounds like he. He does not have as good of a hand as the mainstream media. Right per morning. joe's portrayal of joe mansions hand. I what. I really wanna hit home here is it is not as strong as actual reality. It is bound in a large way by a perception of the politics of the possible as defined by like beltway beltway narratives. And if you really think about joe mansions hand yeah take. I'm not sitting here and telling you he's got a week camp but i'm also sitting here and telling you it's a beatable hand and it's not as strong as he makes it out to be too bulldog front. I when i see budget. Reconciliation come through for the stimulus. And when i can see talk about fourteen hundred dollars a something stronger than quote likely like that's when i feel like strong that like okay. What's the next step like because other than that like. I still feel like. I'm being toyed with in like i don't understand like the democrats are really getting their ass handed to them right now. On the stimulus checks thing a the republicans know what. They're doing here where they're doing this out. And they might do the quite a while but they're taking all the sting out of the fact that the democrats won georgia ran up. We're going to get two thousand or checks again. Four fourteen hundred or two thousand. I think is much less than the issue as it is passing swiftly thereafter to demonstrate to voters that. There's a cause and effect thing that you gave us the votes. We got the thing done. You do what you need to do. We're going to do what we need to do right now. There are a lot of people especially in georgia. Who are like i fucking did what i fucking needed to do. Fucking go and do your fucking job and especially if you're on the edge like if rent is coming up this month it's a pinch point for you and you're looking at your bank account and you're going. I voted a month and a half ago. And i voted on the two thousand dollar checks. The fuck these fuckers doing. yeah no. it's very frustrating. The republicans know exactly what they're doing with this. The they got a small victory by dragging this out past the first of the month. And what the democrats need to absolutely make sure does not happen. Is that this gets dragged out past the first of the month this month. So if we're to look if we are to look at the schumer and pelosi With our powers combined this is what the output is. How long do the. aca take to legislate. Oh that's turn it's yeah okay. That's terrible exists. Okay that's terrible example though obviously because the result yes however of a little bit further in their defense as a terrible example. Because it's like a big fundamentally revamping system for decades to come thing whereas this is more like an acute. Yeah it's a big package but it's targeted distraught. Response thing and i will say this. The aca meet with people and kind of conceive what the system's gonna look like an all that shit in the case of the corona virus stimulus package. They had a template for this in the house bill. They got passed in twenty twenty that they really could have just picked up and voted on right away. What's that got the vote seated when once you get your saturday seated on the twentieth You know again. Give him some credit here. It's only been like seventeen days. Or whatever since they got the cetera seated but still the first month went by which is important and that perceptual threshold Seventy percent of americans support the stimulus checks. Great number but the other thing. That is every day that bind takes longer on this. It hurts biden because people so overwhelmingly support this ninety percent. Democrats support this sixty four percent republican support the so centrist. Joe If you want to not be a patrician centrist might wanna get his brain around getting. This thing passed quickly..

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"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

Don't Worry About The Government

08:44 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

"Those bits of but but other the league project malls super useful though. And i think deploying it on joe manchin here for as like the conservative republicans for west virginia attacking joe mansion for not getting the stimulus checks to bring it back. What's the rift between mitch. And justice worth the flanking happening. Justice has been aggressively calling for the stimulus checks. These stimulus checks. Enjoy seventy eight percent popular support. According to one poll. I looked at for the show. This is just pacific to west virginia No this is a quinnipiac. Poll it says. Seventy percent of americans support the fourteen hundred dollar stimulus checks including ninety percent of democrats and sixty four percent republicans. Okay so so. Imagine in west virginia. That's well one at the idea. They wouldn't be over fifty percent west virginia yet strong everywhere. It seems really farfetched like statistical outlier given the economics of west virginia. Half to just assume so. I guess what's strange here is justice in his. His total outcome is serving the needs of west virginia but mansions power position allows him to to devalue certain local needs in order to say that He is serving a cause that is national. Where burning the bridge really helps to is magic. Entire claim to in the party or like staying in the picture in virginia politics or in west. Virginia politics is going to be. I'm bring home the bacon guy right. And that's where his his patricia centralism is. I want to merge patrician instead central patricia centrism alike. That poachers centralism. It's staying. it's gotta stay gotta we gotta we gotta make it live. But his don't make don't pull a face and we're on video now. You're pulling faces. Yeah yeah i do that Yeah okay. I was thinking of gene wilder and Frankenstein or frankenstein or frankenstein. Grand movie make on. But yeah the portrays centrism of joe. Manchin is not bringing home the bacon. And don't keep don't glare at me. I don't like this You had you had bulgy eyes. I hate it. And i think i don't. Here's the other think. Imagine goes any more to the right. And he's only a fifty fifty vote anyways. He's not useless to the democrats but he's also not you can let them walk and i don't really see why the republicans wouldn't reward justice over mansion because justice got in the door. I that's the other place where i think mansions calculus on this is wrong right and i don't i feel like i don't understand mansions in game because if mansion does eventually want to be governor if he eventually does wants to be governor it exactly. How long can you come out and say things like well for junior really is more of an eleven dollar an hour place not really a fifteen dollars like exactly. How long can you undercut your low. Actually that's a. That's another good one indiana yet. Bring up and and still and still say that you're playing both angles like like because of joe manchin doesn't think that you're worth fifteen dollars. An hour joe. Manchin doesn't want you to get two thousand dollars. stimulus checks. Yeah is joe manchin. Really care about you and west. Virginia paid for by the progressive or the conservative republicans for western said was paid for by joe manchin just opening his mouth. I know i mean. I know you're having him talk about especially like the economic populist issues and this gets back to what i'm saying the patrician e centralism why is he vulnerable on this stuff because he's taking patrician est positions on all of these things. So there's too much of joe mansions positioning to tell me that. He is actually positioning for the governor race because it seems like he doesn't give a damn about his local optics. No i think he wants to stay as a senator right. I think so like i think mansions brain. He's trying to stay separate. From justice. justice can stay governor but mentioned will stay center. I think the issue for mansion is that justice might want to be. Senator and justice is really opening up the inside lane to flavia joe manchin and like for those interested like this is what a real flanking looks like. So how can you. Justice is a former democrat. Turn republican trump republican and now who supports the democrats might even like have adjusted their because he might be they might be able to buy his ask the second time. It's barely had something to who who who supports who gets behind. Justice flanking mansion when mansion does so well to undercut any of the actual progressive agenda. That's out there like you know. The best thing would be is that there's a proxy war where the republicans start putting money to back up joe mansion and the democrats put money to back up jim justice that would be brilliant. I can i can credibly make the. It'd be hilarious. Credibly make the case for. Why rational actors end up in this situation. Whenever vacant says don't cross the streams like this is why because once you once you go there and then so legitimate comes out of it. It's over the fact that we had this segment. There is what's again of like. Why is this brand of centers of fail. It's because it's not like rooted in gave no. It's just these two craven men nominally of different parties but both temperamentally super craven trying to angle to stay alive and politics long as possible. No this is the this is the the seven foot tall rather sedentary person at the front of the volleyball net. Who is just waiting for the game to come to them And and you don't have to wait for long because things are always around the net. You know you can be lazy as long as you're a giant and power like that you know There's so move us along here a little bit a couple of stories that stuck out to me this week One from the washington post here. Another one is reported. Numerous outlets including the washington post bloomberg. Cnn anthrax ios. I after the trump administration relocated the bureau of land management's headquarters to colorado. You might remember in the obama years. The bureau of land management had a real scandal in terms of administration that cause of obama but like the bill was a real mess not to the bureau of land. Match right They real trump and ban wanted to gut the administrative state and get rid of as many administrators as possible to put nothing but like trump loyalist the same way. They wanna stack up the courts so one of the ways they did that is they moved the headquarters of the bureau of land management in this case to colorado which resulted in eighty seven percent of staffers. Either quitting or resigning two hundred eighty seven. Employees left the job forty one people moved to the new office in colorado about ninety five percent of the more than nine thousand..

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"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

Don't Worry About The Government

07:36 min | 2 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government

"Require that all these hedge funds have more cash on hand to cover. Especially if they're going play shorts because shorts can wipe your ass out even with the game. Stop stock deflating. A little in price right. Now there's a lot shorts that are going to get really pinched by that gap ditto with. Amc is the center throws their weight around here. Suppose well yes. I mean burnett relentless lascaux. No i i could build on. That show is about matt. Lewis in the last shows that the problem. I have many problems with centralism. But if you're asking me beyond my ideological problems with them why do i think they fail tactically. It's because they fail to speak to where people the public is at generally centrism as we understand it in. America is super elitist and a populist. Centrism is something. That's been pretty fucking absent from politics. Joe manchin who. We're going to get into next. Here is not a populist centrist. I don't care how many folks couplets he rattles off here. He's not a man of the people his daughters in big pharma and neither is susan collins. Susan collins is a skull. The elitist. Who i still remember her telling us how bad we were for saying mean things about brett kavanagh you know. Susan collins is not a person of the people. She's someone who thinks she knows way better than all of you have in elitist centrism just like the general doping of splitting the difference in everything else at the centers. We have is very much typified by that. So i i mean. I think that that kind of accounts for part of the problem here too. Speaking of that though joe manchin jim justice this week an interesting development happened in the joe manchin dynamic that i wanted to highlight here my goodness so there have been murmurs. That justice was available on the stimulus. Check stuff however all the stuff from last year to caveat on. It doesn't have the same relevance in the year. Twenty twenty as it does now because of the georgia special elections and because the dynamics of the senate are fifty fifty and because in that fifty fifty dynamic now at romney would be another very patricia. Centrist you now have patricia. Sensuous trying to really drive the car here. Joe mansion is really really really throwing his weight around on this stuff. Jim justice for those of you. Who don't necessarily know who jim justices no. He's our professional wrestler. He looks far from someone who spends a lot of time to actually but he was a democrat at one point but he was a west virginia democrat who flipped to being a republican during the middle of the trump administration. He did a number of appearances with donald. Trump was like my party has lost. Its way that whole speech. And he's one of the many reasons for those who are like. What is chris. Always think that joe bitch gonna stab the democratic party in the back. Well the governor who democrat did it so like it's a credible threat. I think like when you take joe mansions voting record which is about sixty forty right now not great and among the centuries. It's really really weak. And then you also look at what jim justice is doing it. Yeah there's a lot of reasons to the joe mansion might go and become a republican some point everything that that has Been brewing with this. It feels like there. This is something more personal than we will ever understand This feels petty. Like i mean this is. This is what state politics it right. Yeah you have these long standing beefs in grievances in the case of west virginia non like a couple episodes ago when i was talking about delaware. This is small state. Politics dynamics like and this is where the weird distortions of the sentence like delaware has senators senators represent about a million people in a million corporations like literally Same thing with west virginia. My corporations. it's like you know they have senators these senators and could just as easily be mayor's here in the state of texas so if we were to look at the state legislature of west virginia does it matter how many of them allied more with mansion. And how many of them align more with justice. I mean like what are we talking when you say aligned like we're not talking about ideological knows justice are basically the same creature exactly like i. I don't understand how they can be so close but oppose one another and the only reason to make sense. Okay no. I know i can tell you that it's because they're fighting for the same slot like this is why. I'm saying. This is an amazing. All right here is there's been a lot of talk about pressuring joe manchin from the left and i certainly am someone as a progressive who is in favor of holding the democratic party it to account when they betray democratic values or liberal values progressive is whatever the fuck you wanna call them. I don't care. But in the case of joe mansion. I don't really think a left critique of joe manchin. Gets you anywhere in virginia. But what i think gets you quite a distance and get you into a very interesting position. Is burning the bridge that joe manchin keeps threatening to cross because joe mansions entire leverage right now and this is what makes mention different cinema. I like pressuring cinema. And i've got more on that too. I can back it up with some more numbers in the second year but mansions different if you're looking at the gym justice example. If you're looking at the way the republican party has been becoming more has been becoming more strong in west virginia. The dynamics of the fact that the republican party's been becoming more whites they've been selling this forgotten man narrative. You could argue that. The forgotten men narrative that they continue to flatter themselves with it does not serve many purposes but one of the key purposes it serves is the reddening of west virginia embracing hillbilly elegy as a viable narrative. All all coal country was betrayed. That's west virginia baby so the republican put a lot of pressure on west. Virginia and joe manchin has been threatening to leave the party. He's also been threatening to retire but he's been threatening lots of threats. Joe mentioned likes the threats and he uses the threats to get stuff. So what i think the democrats need to do just efficient. The thought here is. They need to burn the bridge and they need to use a lincoln. Project like super pac. Dark money attack group not necessarily the lincoln project. They've got their own problems..

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"centrism" Discussed on The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

04:32 min | 3 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

"From extreme extreme extreme thing is i'd say the actually really extreme isn't sexy i. it's just very it can be very very strange and very weird for me as a centrist annoy. Even show about neither centrists. Though just compared with trump most people would appear to be a centrist but remind to be seen if he is a true centrist. But i think people's views Seriously ingrained in entrenched and we all mostly originally came from the center ground On when you dig down it reveals why we now inhabit the spectrum. The spectrum that we do in very often is it's come from a negative experience. It moves away from the fast ground where the solutions are just polaroid's as some experience in life and it's very hard to be able to recognize that when it happens and looking back what actually was i was gonna say actually with those listening to what you were saying that Every person when they're born in a way is a centrist where that first second of life we're very neutral beings so our political views or our views become what is around as our culture. Our family our friends you know and you can easily get wrapped up in in in in thinking that what you believe in his import most important thought the most important values. But it's actually good to listen to the other side of the argument. And maybe maybe that's where you can kind of get that balance because you'll be pulled towards the centre if you pull the other person towards the center kind of centralism in some ways is reaching an agreement is not being too liberal is not been too conservative wing or roy left wing or right wing. It's trying to. And i think having those having those extreme views can be good combat catalyst for change. Because you're one of your pulling things. It's a bit like how the weather reacts you know so what you'll have a very very windy day and then next day it'll will be very very calm and quiet you know can actually that those those extreme points of you can make a change. But i think you've got gotta be very careful with him. And that's where that's where centers is is can be quite sexy but as your implied in the question lose it now. That's where centuries and can be quite sexy because it actually it brings people together brings those those two days two sides of the argument together. I mean Yeah the question. Is what the emily Out just couldn't involvement or debate podcasts. Make centrism sexy. All you want to approach that and so different. Why in rhode is due disease. Podcast play in this whole thing. And and i think the job of Acids presenters is key to show. It's not boring.

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"centrism" Discussed on The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

03:02 min | 3 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

"You've come to the right place. This is the people's countryside environmental debate. Podcast thanks ray. But she'll be with this. I'm your host william mankato and alongside me. Well not tiny alongside me as my co host that you know. Maybe the phone stuart and We've been doing this for good few years now and These momentum beyond in this podcast. Now william yes i set you up for a bigger bigger there. Yeah we've been doing the podcast for whatever two years. We still have been working collaboratively for many many years Can i just mentioned that we we. We did the christmas message. I recalled that we did a video message but we done. We've done seven. We did several video messages christmas. I think we did one in two thousand sixteen hundred twenty seventeen. I think we even did one in two thousand eighteen with a few of them. Didn't we the first one we did was. I was talking about baked beans but that was a bit strange. That wasn't the gulf coast. No that was Next to the tennis court in cowley marsh noted whose dad was it. Okay but that was distant. Just navigate of what's done in the past and We've been inundated still with a question is from Going through every single question so if you have a question and answer is because we're going to get around to it. We're taking our time. We're gonna we're gonna discuss not answer going to discuss every question an into a savings and the questioning. Today it might be a couple of months to actually get around to it on the question. We've got to die some emily from gothenburg. A your 'table iota. Bora i think is how you swedish k. In her question is senator. Ism isn't accelerating which the extremes of most arguments are you sign on the podcast. The middle ground is where the agreement and understanding live. That leads to the solutions intern. How does the people's countryside environment debate. Podcast make centralism sexy. I think emily or teasing us. It just feel that doesn't it. I've always see myself as a bit of a centrist. I've always seen myself as a bit of a sex symbol. Yeah we will have our own allusions. Don't we yeah. yeah that's interesting. So how how can we make it sexy. I'm not sure we can but let's go answering this question. Maybe actually centrism especially me. Okay for example if you look at the result of the officials of the us election not the donald trump version of the us. Election that the outpouring of relief that came from that and the celebrations that came from the joe biden is is definitely almost some somehow epitomizes centuries in doesn't he it'd be i think maybe because you if you compare it to the very wild times of donald trump. Maybe that's what it is as well. It's the fact that we are having a center is come be a change..

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PJ ORourke and the search for the centre ground

Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

06:26 min | 5 months ago

PJ ORourke and the search for the centre ground

"These last five years or so have been rough going for a lot of people. Among, them have been those who think of themselves as occupants more or less of the middle of the road, the zealous, the bipartisan the consider as of arguments on their own merits compromises count we all just get along is. So. Polarizing have these times being that even some of those who might in less crazed and Febrile Times have been considered ideological out lawyers appear suddenly reasonable. Special. Guest this week is PJ O'Rourke, the journalist foreign correspondent and satirist who made his name as a conservative contrarian in the nineteen eighty, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety s gleefully winding up the liberal subscribers of rolling stone and writing bestselling books including Republican, Party reptile give war a chance and peace kills a rock became if possibly despite himself, the favorite conservative of American liberals being about as much a liberal as American conservatives could stand. His latest book a cry from the farm middle dispatches from the divided land fines rourke. If not exactly standing afford history yelling stop. Then at least flailing gamely at the on rushing tide of dogmatic foolishness with the broom of measured reason and not once does he mangle metaphor nearly as grotesquely that this is the last episode of this program which will be broadcast before a rox fellow Americans make a fairly fundamental decision about what their politics is going to look like from here on can the centre-ground be retaken and is anyone still there? This is the foreign desk. The anarchistic Listrik point of view that is common at the end of the teens in the beginning of the twenties and on for those of us who matured very late. Reality shake you out of that I mean anybody who tells me are an anarchist I'll invite them to revisit Mogadishu with me. Let me show you what anarchy really means. Now non nealer hand is sort of like armed nitwit trump supporters. Maybe should have had a little goal at Northern Ireland back in the eighties. Where that road leads, if you WANNA take that road all the way down to the end of that road Belfast was. Enlightening experience as we're the Balkans and so and saw that light goes to mitigate. Once absolutism and certainly once anarchism knowle's. Page or you welcome to the foreign desk this episode may end up appearing as either the last signal before the ship sinks or the fanfare perhaps of some new door and we need to frame our conversation accordingly indeed find a middle ground which I think is appropriate to certainly the theme of Your New Book the title a cry from the Far Middle Does seem to book in Republican Party. Reptile from Nineteen eighty-seven to an extent. But the question is can the middle ground be made to sound atl sexy and exciting? No. I'm Sir Short Answer. Thank you for joining us. PJ. House that was a quick interview of Frank Answer and a One one been looking for a certain amount of honesty in politics. I just saw something the other day I saw the first honest yard sign that I have seen over here in the states this election campaign, it said settle for Biden. If it weren't for the pandemic I would've gone knocked on their door and give them the big. Hug. But is there a way you think that centrism can be made to sound at all exciting could there be a centrist party reptile. Yeah, it would be very tough, but you know it really I just want to go back to US fighting in our usual way I don't want to put an end to our quarrels with some sort of sweet and mushy kiss on both cheeks wall befriends from now on and forever no I want to go back to a good strong fight between the left and the right. Trouble is to fight has gotten away from the issues. You know the coral it's one of those things like a good old family feud. Coming from an enormous Irish family I am plenty familiar with us. A good family feud where the cause of the the anger is long forgotten and people are just screaming and yelling at each other and threatening each other and misbehaving. In general we want a period where the left and right really had to confront themselves. They had to confront the failure of communism, which is leftism taken to its greatest extreme. The left had to confront the failure of that Ed to confront the failure of their socialist economies in western Europe in in the UK and so on. The right had to then confront the fact that it was much less fund should be empower under Reagan and Thatcher. Then it was to be standing outside pressing your face against window making grievances and obscene gestures and turned out that the free market. Lovely thing though it is, it doesn't solve all our problems magically either so we had to fight that album. It's now been. So long ago since we had those substantive fights that we've forgotten how to argue. So my comparison I don't think actually put this in the book, but missing about sense is that. Are Put aglow arguments have ceased to be real political arguments about real issues as say, no, do we increase the scope of the national health improve its funding and operation or do we modify? It means tested? Give a little larger scope to the private sector Blah Blah. Blah Instead. It's one of those things and anybody who's been in a marriage or partnership it starts out with shall We re Slip Cover the SOFA and it ends up with, and then there was a woman you were flirting with that party in Nineteen ninety-one to which the other half of the partnership response I hate your mother I'd never settled out but I hate your mother, you know. And here we are

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Highlights from the Democratic National Convention

The Sunday Show

02:34 min | 8 months ago

Highlights from the Democratic National Convention

"Virtual National Party convention is in the books, but it wasn't just the lack of balloon drops or cheering delegates that made this convention so different from the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia four years ago. In 2016, the wounds of a contentious primary were still on display this week. On the final night of the convention, The major 2020 Democratic primary candidates were featured in a primetime zoom like talk show format. Are, they gushed over Biden's decency and sense of purpose. I think the day I saw Joe, the clearest was on the one year anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombing. Everyone, of course, was enormously honored to have the vice president here. But at some point in that speech, he shifted to the parents who had lost a child. To the man who had lost life. To someone who had experience loss. Very personally, and he spoke to each of the families. From the heart. The week also featured a number of high profile Republicans who vouched for Biden's competency and centrism. Their job was to assure the white suburban moderates who have soured on Trump. That Biden is a safe choice. I'm sure they're Republicans and independents who couldn't imagine crossing over to support a Democrat. They fear Joe may turn sharp left and leave them behind. I don't believe that because I know the measure of the man. It's reasonable, faithful, respectful. And you know, no one pushes Joe around the through line in each night, and each speech was the threat our current president poses to our democracy. The urgency of this moment this administration has shown it will tear our democracy down. If that's what it takes for them to win, so we're at an inflection point constant chaos. Leaves us adrift. The incompetence. Makes us feel afraid. Callousness makes us feel alone and if we want a chance to pursue any of these goals, any of these most basic requirements for a functioning society. We have to vote for Joe Biden in numbers that cannot be ignored. Because right now, folks who know they cannot win fair and square at the ballot box are doing everything they can to stop us from voting.

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Final takeaways from the 2020 Democratic National Convention

The Takeaway

04:14 min | 8 months ago

Final takeaways from the 2020 Democratic National Convention

"First first virtual virtual National National Party Party convention convention is is in in the the books, books, but but it it wasn't wasn't just just the the lack lack of of balloon balloon drops drops or or cheering delegates that made this convention so different from the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia four years ago. In 2016, the wounds of a contentious primary were still on display this week. On the final night of the convention, The major 2020 Democratic primary candidates were featured in a primetime zoom like talk show format. Are, they gushed over Biden's decency and sense of purpose. I think the day I saw Joe, the clearest was on the one year anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombing. Everyone, of course, was enormously honored to have the vice president here, but at some point in that speech, he shifted To the parents who had lost a child. To the man who had lost life. To someone who had experience loss. Very personally, and he spoke. Each of the families. From the heart. The week also featured a number of high profile Republicans who vouched for Biden's competency and centrism. Their job was to assure the white suburban moderates who have soured on Trump. That Biden is a safe choice. I'm sure they're Republicans and independents who couldn't imagine crossing over to support a Democrat. They fear Joe may turn sharp left and leave them behind. I don't believe that because I know the measure of the man. It's reasonable, faithful, respectful. And you know, no one pushes Joe around the through line in each night, and each speech was the threat our current president poses to our democracy. The urgency of this moment this administration has shown it will tear our democracy down. If that's what it takes for them to wait, so we're at an inflection point constant chaos. Leaves us adrift. The incompetence. Makes us feel afraid. Callousness makes us feel alone and if we want a chance to pursue any of these goals Any of these most basic requirements for a functioning society. We have to vote for Joe Biden in numbers that cannot be ignored because right now Folks who know they cannot win fair and square at the ballot box are doing everything they can to stop us from voting. There's a lot to get into. So let's dive right in. I am joined by a virtual panel of reporters who've been following the convention all week. Maya King is a reporter covering race, ethnicity and campaigns for politico. Alex Ready is politics reporter from McClatchy. And instead, Herndon is national politics reporter for The New York Times. Instead has actually been in the place where we were all supposed to be this week in Milwaukee instead. Could we start with you and tell us what it is like to actually be in a convention city? Where there's no convention. You know, I think that the, um the levels of the absence here had been even greater than folks would imagine. There are times when you would not even know that the convention was ostensibly being hosted a block away. There are very few protesters. There is very few sign age, the kind of hallmarks of convention that we're used to seeing. Are just totally absent. And so the few reporters who are here you know, have have have watched it virtually just like everyone else. There has been some some programming this week. They had a drive in to see that as a kind of projected in Delaware at the drive in of fireworks at the Milwaukee Zoo, That was about the only in person thing. And even that was kind of hard to see him for press to get into Just a cz. One anecdote or how difficult it wass. You know, I tried. We took a five minute convincing to get this bar to play Joe Biden speeds that the few reporters were at turning a. The kind of kind of exploitation from them was well, they took it from a city way. So so so why play it?

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"centrism" Discussed on The Cave of Time

The Cave of Time

03:10 min | 9 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on The Cave of Time

"What's the point like who's benefiting? They're not gonNA. Not GonNa Change. I. Mean a lot of people like want to stay alive as opposed to get shot. I understand that they want to stay alive but it's like Dude, you like raped baby you bombed bombed a marathon like I'm I understand you want live but I'm sorry like you're such a danger to society we can't afford to keep you around. Not. Afford in terms of dollars and cents like afford because you're fucking maniac like you're so dangerous to society we need to remove you from society because you're fucked we don't have the tools to fix you. I, don't know maybe put them in some sort of fucking science experiments where it can do dissect brains and see what makes them all fucked up or something but. It just seems like we're spending all this money like. The left wing goes on and on and on about this their arguments like, oh, well, you know it actually costs more to have the death penalty than it does to just keep these people in jail forever and it's like, yeah well, he does because you have this appeal process that is super expensive and lasts forever. But like you've like, you're appealing to have the sentence removed of. Death but then you're not like appealing to have them be rehabilitating go back into society you're appealing them to have to have them stay in jail forever. That's that's what you're appealing for my arguments. What's The fucking point? Just as soon as the trial is done, just take him out back buying the shed and say, Hey, by like, you want a cigarette, you like a beer because. This is the last one. We're going to get a firing squad and just shoot you and dump you into fucking great or let your family have the fucking funeral or whatever. But. I, think that's more than sentencing somebody who live in a cage for fifty years sixty years. Like it's more, there's more dignity in being executed than there is being a fucking animal in a cage for your whole life. Well, I'm going to take the radical centrist opinion of not really having an opinion on this I would need to think about more to be honest and our need to look into various things. We don't have to do it forever. Maybe we don't have to do forever but like. It just seems where we are right now all the things that we want to spend my on to help people I don't understand how having an enormous prison population full I guess it's not full of people who are never leaving I guess most of them leave right it's not like ninety percent of the people that jail for their whole lives, right? We are spending in an insane amount of money people who are on death row. We are spending an insane amount of money on people who are it lifers forever in prison and they say like fuck I'm never, GonNa Change I know I'm not GonNa Change you change on faulk this is the way I am. Right. Yeah. Sure. Sure. I especially, if there was like some kind of voluntary thing where people could. Decide to die rather than spend life in prison like some some people who are trying to kill themselves in prison we stop them. Yes yeah. Exactly or maybe give him like an incentive. Your last name is Epstein in then then it happens nobody tries to stop them. Yeah. Yeah Yeah I mean maybe just say like, Hey, like we'll give we'll give fifty grand your family. If you take the suicide, we'll give your family some..

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"centrism" Discussed on The Cave of Time

The Cave of Time

05:51 min | 9 months ago

"centrism" Discussed on The Cave of Time

"Maybe I'll check them out if I want to check right wing news. That's supposed to be the new the new drudge. Oh, you didn't hear. Yeah. He just he just said that like everybody is fleeing drudge report to their because it's feeling the void that Matt drudge. FT. But. Yeah. I'll start playing again at fifty eight seconds ready. All right right now thanks so much for coming on. So you have done what reports talked about for twenty years a doing which is. Right the definitive biography of mattress. So you're in a position to guess why has drudge changed so dramatically, do you think Dan. Thank you, I. Think one of the mistakes a lot of people will have when they're trying to analyze. Nice. Match Rod is the true looking at him him strictly political sphere on the reality is. Is, history shown loyalty isn't any political party or ideas it's to. For example, this great great part of my book where in two thousand, eight Andrew Breitbart at the time you miss editor of the report and he comes absolute convinced that Matt is try steer. favorable. What then Senator Barack? Obama. So. Man Says. What's up at. Response by them. Abroad Rock Obama presidency might be terrible for the country, but it sure would be great for the website. And To a large extent Matt right because I can't think of more than a handful of people who did better under the Obama Obama see than match. His net wealth, it's been estimated hundred million. So I hear all this chatter about I met. His political stance. And I I. Think it gives. Me and match, and he's GonNa. Pause it again now more working in just concerned about copyright strikes. You immunitor near me? I'm positive what we just got a positive once in a while just not to get copyright strikes. Also I haven't looked at the Chad at all. Have you been looking at it I don't know if we have anything in the Chad. I'll check it. Let's assume clip an awful lot. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Start playing at. Two minutes thirty seconds right now he's bus bottom. Than anything else and Works out is it is up to Maine. Yes. It's a remarkable change. So there were reports and I think you chronicle this in your book that earlier in this administration drudge had become close to the president's son-in-law. Jared. Kushner. Are they still close to you know that's so funny that the video feed goes out for the guest right there. I want to know that question I wanted that question you check unfortunately. Interesting Book and it's very interesting stories. What happened? Yeah. I. Think I think I might want to check out that book it does sound pretty interesting. This media magnate. Yeah we got nothing to chat so. Go on go. To kick it off. Sorry kicked off. What is awesome that then Well so I guess we are well, actually you know what? Let's. Let's actually jump into Herman Cain clip that I sent. You because I think that that kind of ties into this as far as as far as what we see in the media. So I was actually shocked we had Herman Cain. Was a twenty, twelve Republican presidential candidate. And for brief period of time, he was actually the front runner..

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Emily Ratajkowski talks to Michael Moore about the moment that politically radicalized her

RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

03:15 min | 1 year ago

Emily Ratajkowski talks to Michael Moore about the moment that politically radicalized her

"centrism" Discussed on RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

13:03 min | 1 year ago

"centrism" Discussed on RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

"She was literally given less vocabulary to speak on issues because we were censoring what she was able to say. Trump is on the complete opposite side of that. And I think that's so dangerous and such a mistake of the left again that comes out of fear and limiting limiting vocabulary is like whoa what it's like taking away someone sword and politics and what the public loves and what the trump voters love about trump is that they know what they see is is what they do when he says something. He isn't gone through a filter. It hasn't gone through a committee. It just it's just he's just blurting it out. Yeah which was the opposite I mean with Hillary and I and I don't blame her for that I think it was. You know that was what she understood. She had to do those with her team. That was the political system that she understood that functioned for her or in the past But that's not where we are now and it's you know. I really hope that people can wake up and get excited and and stop worrying about. I mean everybody's so so worried about the other on both sides I think right now in this country and that isn't what politics is about. That's not what changes about. I hope that people instead think about what what they want like. You mentioned your resolutions for what you want to see for our country. Think about what you want and then think about the best way to get there. I think then more people will be excited Bernie. Yeah well they obviously are more than I realized I mean. He's got more volunteers than any other candidates. He has the highest approval rating. I didn't know he was. He's number one. With Latino voters allied actually been there for like four or five months. It's been that way and now There was just a poll last last week that showed Bernie is now number one with what they call non white voters so with you combine Latino Black Asian Arab right written on Americans. I mean I also think that weirdly Biden has made me so angry. His his presence in this Just the idea that he could even be considered. It's actually made me more excited about Bernie and I hope that happens with other young people. Explain what you mean by that with regarding cannot believe it's like you really are going to go back and say okay. Well who's is it name like when people talk about Michelle Obama. I like Michelle Obama. I think she's a really amazing person and represents so much and I like her politics and a lot of ways I do not want to see her run for president right now. That is like that is the exact same mistake we made with Clayton. You're taking someone from establishment that everyone's sick of your taking Biden and he it will be so easy to destroy also like I don't have a massages I just don't know there's there's a lot of things going on but I think for me anyone and like I don't even know if it was my parents but I think in general like boomers sort of like well. What about Biden and that's so the wrong? That's that's that's exactly what we did in the last election. I don't WanNa see that happening. Again trump won by not playing it safe going for Biden or anybody in the middle playing it safe right now. That is the sure sure way to lose. We can't halt. I mean how many times do you need to hear that though I just like. That's the part that's frustrating for me is like why is this still a conversation. Didn't didn't we learn our lesson by having him as in office for the last four years. No I guess not. I guess not which is crazy because look at who who's emerged as as people that are that you know citizens are excited about. And they're all fresh young or or somebody who's been consistent like Bernie so you mentioned the massages. Oh the the the Biden the by masseuse technique You know it's amazing when I When the subject is brought up how many boomers and they and they and they go? Oh you know. That's just joe or men that age. That's how they are and it's like I always. When I hear that I think of is Yeah Mendez Age? They have given us the world we have. That's exactly what I don't WanNa hear Mendes Age. I have taken us to war. Men that have created a huge system of inequality men that age are leaving in your generation with a planet that we're not going to see the the total calamity people my age. You and your children are going going to face an apocalypse that I don't understand why people our age my age. A how can we even look you in the I. Frankly and I know I agree with you. I mean I I to me I feel the exact same way but I it's amazing to me even I mean we could talk about white women I'm just a lot of white women of a certain age are so afraid to challenge Systems of power. And I think that's what happens when you've been oppressed but also able to benefit from from those systems power maybe more than other people Because you're white. I mean like I'm a perfect example of that. It's like I am so pissed off all the time but also like I talk about like someone who's benefited from capitalism like sell clothes. You know so it's it's a difficult position but I'm so disappointed continually and not just by women a certain age but all you even women my age Who are like ooh? I don't know like are we going to really. Are we going to be so mad at everyone and listen I get it like. I don't think that men who have you know like is Joe Biden a bad guy. What is this whole concept of bad versus good to me? It's more of an issue about the world that that has allowed them to behave a certain way and actually rewarded them to behave a certain way and not interest excused it but reward award it right rewarded like they have. They have only received you know they've only benefited from these kinds of systems and from their behavior. Why what what can we do accept? Call it out like if I. I'm sorry I don't want anyone to you know I'm not gonNA say Joe Biden is a creep. I don't feel that way but I do not like how he has treated women. I don't like it and I'm tired of men who who aren't aware of their air privilege and their power and the kind of you know touching that goes on in these situations where women are not in a position to protest. And I'm I'm sick of that and I don't Wanna see someone as my president who's who's partaking in It's the same thing I felt with. Brad Kavanagh it's I don't I don't want you got arrested. I did protested the BRE Cabinet appointment when you amy Schumer getting arrested. Yes yes and and they're putting the The ZIP tie handcuff plastic cups on you there. And what did that feel like being all the way. I've never been arrested really. That seems a little. That is amazing. What did you do I in order to make the films that I made? I always do my crew and we always know before we go in. Where's the door? That's getting us out right. So they can't catch US railway and because I'm not going to run as fast as everybody else so I gotTa know that secret but we want it to be arrested. Be Clear I mean that was the whole point I took the train down to DC to be arrested. Actually Elizabeth Warren was there. She gave a really amazing speech. Got Day and then and we walked over to Capitol Hill and Yeah we were arrested A lot of people. I don't think they understood what that was really about Firstly I don't no no I felt I mean I posted a picture of myself holding a sign about Women in power basically to over. I don't remember the exact phrase I had on it and a lot of people talked about how I was wearing a tank. Top without a Bra. Social media I don't know if that's just social media I I mean that was also you know that was right wing. Media also left wing media Ooh came from both sides. And it's really unfortunate that that's I mean. In in some ways it was more accept. It gave me more reason to want to do those things. Because it shows that that's where the focus on is on on on any woman What's and first of all what's the crime? Him of a tank top AM I. Did I miss something here. I it was a I was wearing jeans and it was a hundred degrees hot. It was insane but also like fuck you if it was freezing cold and I wanted to wear a tank top I can wear right. You know what I mean like how I decide to dress is like totally up to me. So so that's crazy but like I guess I should justify that it was a really hot day I dunno it gets really weird and then yeah to contact no guy his ever had to justify yeah they were wearing a protest and then and then when the being a I've never seen anybody mentioned what a guy was wearing as he was being all away by the cops. You know what you're witnessing is while you took the risk of having an arrest record To stand up for something because you thought it was. It's wrong that Brad Kavanagh with our Supreme Court. That's the part with and your buddy Gimme was like really pregnant. Yeah mm and Yeah I mean I think What was interesting is like there was such a backlash to sort of the concept of like believe women because I think people don't understand that women haven't been believed ever in history and that we haven't had a you know there's what's the famous quote women tell their stories? The world world will shatter but like look at Anita Hill. She told her story. Nothing's happened. you know. She got shattered. She was shattered. And I've seen that continually in our world and twenty twenty m hoping that it changes but I don't know you know wouldn't of metoo movement everything else. I still feel like those women are being taken apart And I feel like you know we see Harvey Weinstein Making settlement. I just put Fuck Harvey on my Arm for I was at a red carpet was at my husband's movie movie and it was I put harvey on your forearm I was pretty pissed off. I actually I was so angry. I started to cry. which is a weird thing to admit On like publicly because it makes me emotional which is not what people like to hear from women but but I think that wants today I'll admit it. I was so disheartened frustrated to see that he was going to settle. And then you know a couple couple days later to see that he had given an interview where he said he felt like a forgotten man. And you know there's a part of me that just wondering like Oh is he going to be able to climb back in a position power and seeing you know Kavanagh's confirmation fat felt the exact same way they're such a not only disrespect for women's stories and their truth but also there's a complete Blanket denial of the existence of this power dynamic. And that's so oh frustrating to me and I see it every day not just in System not just in political systems but also in my industry and on the street I as a Guy Have witnessed since I was aware I guess as a teenager. These guys the BRECK. Kavanagh's those guys at those parties and all that guys like me. He really shy. Who couldn't ask anybody out on a date? We're always if we did go to the high school dance. We were in the corner in the only hoping. Oh girl will come up to us and ask us today on Those guys made our lives miserable. They're usually bullies number one They they would do whatever they could to try to humiliate humiliate US as other boys and I can't tell you how much I have personally enjoyed. If that's the right word the metoo movement movement in the in the sense of watching these men get their comeuppance. Yeah because I have witnessed I have witnessed in this business. I have had a peek behind the curtain. And I'm always stunned stunned. That guys will say or do things in front of me. Yeah not just. Because I'm you know Michael Moore but they think you know once the doors shut in the women are are not in the room they can say things. Yeah because we have the Bro Code. Yeah and and I'm not gonNA say anything and I'm I'm I'M I. I had a Meeting once with a TV executive. I'll just call that for now and His assistant brought water. UH-HUH J. himself and to me sh she leaves. She shuts the.

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"centrism" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

12:32 min | 2 years ago

"centrism" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

"During these last four years or so of ruction upheaval in the usually stable arena of British politics. It has been commonly supposed that something sometime has to give this week. It did MP's from both of Britain's major parties resigned. Their memberships and gathered together under the banner of the independent group. These MP's are broadly speaking either from the right wing of the left-wing labour party or the left wing of the right wing conservative party accordingly. A not unreasonably the independent group have found themselves characterized if not caricatured as centrists in certain agitated circles, these last few years centrist has become an insult a suggestion that those to whom it is applied are complacent careerists and all snug elitists, but what with one thing and another might centrism nevertheless, be Jew. A revival with a here in the UK or in other countries roiled by populism. What right now too. Centrism really mean, this is the foreign desk. There are certain things that I think people are yearning for to come back into the political debate long term issues that need desperate action climate change ageing society productivity in the economy, what on earth, we're going to do with technological revolution. All of those things have completely been put on the backburner that sense that you give any ground the stop being ideologically. Pure has lost any powers law slaughter sway over people. And that's where I think these of centrism is an insult partly comes from. 'cause it's come to mean being the wishy washy not really standing up believing as opposed to what I think people soup proponents that kind of at UB about what is about rational policy-making when we talk about centrism or the death of centralism what we are also talking about is the rise of ideologues. So by that token, I'm going to say centrism is basically the style of technocratic expert lead consensus. Politics making which seems to be on the way. Hello and welcome to the foreign desk. I'm Andrew moolah. And my first guest today walls, one of the first wave of seven defectors to the new independent group in the UK's house of Commons. Chris Liz Levi member of parliament for Nottingham east left the labor party earlier this week after thirty two years of membership saying labor had been hijacked by the machine politics of the far lift I spoke to Chris Leslie at colors house in Westminster. I started by asking him if he saw the independent group as a centrist movement. I think it is a center ground formation, basically trying to build a consensus around what we have characterized as the main stream values of the country. We worked together on a couple of sides of four of our statement of values the values not so the policy prescription. So we haven't sort of gone into particular details relate. Getting to one particular month of one particular, but we've talked very much about those things that we think cut across that center ground so notions of fair play focusing on opportunity and merit in terms of advancing through society, but also recognizing the importance of responsibility, both individuals having to take some responsibility. But also, the political responsibility international responsibilities. We all have I think the public. Yes. Want compassion in their politics and hate the fact that particularly from the conservative side. Has felt as though is left the vulnerable isolated, but they also care about tax payers money being spent properly with adequate scrutiny those are pretty basic things and sometimes taken for granted. But I think now is a period where we've had to reassert some of those values because the public have have haven't heard that from the main parties for a long time. What's your feeling about? Why centrism though has become it has literally become a term of abuse or centrist has become a turn of abuse, especially within the labor party in this country, which well within living memory prided itself on upholding exactly that you'll have heard this criticism already the idea that the independent group is basically a Tony Blair tribute act. Well, Tony Blair didn't have focused clue what was going on this week. And nobody he's I think he said himself. So we've decided to do our own thing and plow our own for oh, you can't look back to the last century for the answers of for the challenges that are going ahead. There are certain things that I think people are yearning for to come back into the political debate long term issues that need desperate action climate change ageing society in productivity in the economy, what on earth, we're going to do with technological revolution. All of those things have completely been put on the back burner because partly because Brexit has arrived and the main political parties have chosen to sit on the fence or take go down particularly euro-phobic route. So I'm aware that there is this attack that somehow the center ground is a grey scale mash up of those more clear of. Tipple's on either either end of the spectrum. I don't accept that characterization of the center ground. I think the values I hold are just as valid and strong, for example. I do not believe in lese, fair market solutions in all circumstances. I similarly do not believe in status ownership and control so answers in all circumstances. I believe in well-regulated Mark social market economy, which allows enterprise to thrive and helps us generate decent economy. So that the revenues we have pay for our public services and allows government to intervene on things like health and social care and education the basics that we all need to protect those most in need that isn't something that is has been talked about for a long time. And I think people have lost sight of that. But of course, it's it's a complicated thing sometimes to talk about that in a social media age wherein to itunes and sixty characters. Everybody wants to have. A black and white answer to every possible solution. You know, you've either got to be four something or against something and almost debate or nuance has been squeezed out of the body politic. And that is partly I think what hoping there will be a bit of a response to how do you respond to the criticism, which I know you've you've doubtless already heard and certainly going to here again, this is essentially a reanimation on attempt to reanimate the very very thing that the populist revolts from both sides of politics that we've seen were actually a response to. Yes and populism. I think is has is having its moment. I mean, you can see whether it's Trump in the states all happening in in Europe. And of course, it's fueled very much by this sugar, Russian the social media side. You can definitely whip up a lot of anger if you are a populist. But I think we now we've now coming to a point where that needs to be an antidote to populism insofar as I actually think if you build a populist appeal essentially on false promises that the solution to everybody's problem is something to do with stopping immigration, for instance, if you're coming from the right wing or that if everything is owned and controlled by an individual pulling levers in the treasury, then then everything will be fine that that those false promises will be found out. You know, one of the things I've worried about in the labor party has been the constant sort of tendency to go into making impossible promises, particularly on the on spending, which couldn't really be fulfilled and most people know in their hearts, they couldn't really be fulfilled without jeopardizing the economy, you know, everybody wants everything for free. But actually when you start asking, well d- mind, I ask how are you going to pay for it or where's the money coming from those difficult decisions have have been airbrushed out of the populist. Script and they don't want to have to confront some of those things. But as Trump is finding out in the states when it comes to fulfilling those promises that got him elected. He's now struggling with with when reality bites and similarly the populist movements are going to have to face that. And unless we have the confidence to call out. Snake oil salesman that actually they are peddling things that are not that are not realistic or achievable, then then the populace will continue to win if as seems likely for the next while anyway, the independent group is going to be thought of as what constitutes centrism in British politics. And I say that with all due respect to the Liberal Democrats how quickly and how practically I guess do you do you figure out how to stop? I think it's fair to say that right now, you'll see as being defined in terms of what you're not which is to say, you're not the hard left labor party. And you're not the cranky eurosceptic head bangers of the conservative party. How soon are you able do you think to start to finding yourselves in terms of what you are? Well, I hope from day one we've tried to have a positive and constructive set of values set out in on our website and on the put that we have from. Day one because it isn't just about what is wrong with the the main parties, it is very much about the values. We want to take forward now that isn't a full policy program or manifesto. We haven't even got the structures yet, we've got to have our inaugural meetings, and so forth and talk about you know, what roles people are going to do all of that is still to be to be discussed. But. You know, those positive values in the centre ground that echo as a microcosm of mainstream society. I believe we've had a good go at articulating those hope over the next few weeks and months people will look at that. And start to say, yeah, I understand where that's coming from. It is not about an ideological approach to understanding society or funding solutions it's about an evidence based approach to moving through public policy. Trying to take a longer term attitude to the way. Different challenges are addressed. But from a set of values that I think are certainly ones that I've always felt quite strongly about but people have to read them make their own judgment. And it's up to them. It's up to the public part of this is about also not. You know to to really push back at this notion that the party's own voters. Oh, this is a labor seat or this is a conservative area parties shouldn't own voters. They should earn votes from people. And I think we need a little bit more challenge to say stop being complacent. We want to try and earn votes by engaging with people and their interests and their attitudes. And hopefully, we'll try we'll try and do that. But it won't be a straight won't be a straight line. There will be ups and downs. If people are looking for disagreements between those of us who've come together, I'm sure they will be able to find them the nature of being an independent group is that we are going to take different stances between us, but I think we'll be able to tolerate those because in normal life people can tolerate different opinions. But somehow along the road, certainly within the labour party tolerance became forbidden. And you had to literally sign oaths of loyalty this past weekend to the great leader, and in a very intolerant environment, and that cultural changes of really really strong part of what we want to try and achieve that was Chris Leslie MP of the independent group. The

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Centrism: the new populism?

Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

12:32 min | 2 years ago

Centrism: the new populism?

"During these last four years or so of ruction upheaval in the usually stable arena of British politics. It has been commonly supposed that something sometime has to give this week. It did MP's from both of Britain's major parties resigned. Their memberships and gathered together under the banner of the independent group. These MP's are broadly speaking either from the right wing of the left-wing labour party or the left wing of the right wing conservative party accordingly. A not unreasonably the independent group have found themselves characterized if not caricatured as centrists in certain agitated circles, these last few years centrist has become an insult a suggestion that those to whom it is applied are complacent careerists and all snug elitists, but what with one thing and another might centrism nevertheless, be Jew. A revival with a here in the UK or in other countries roiled by populism. What right now too. Centrism really mean, this is the foreign desk. There are certain things that I think people are yearning for to come back into the political debate long term issues that need desperate action climate change ageing society productivity in the economy, what on earth, we're going to do with technological revolution. All of those things have completely been put on the backburner that sense that you give any ground the stop being ideologically. Pure has lost any powers law slaughter sway over people. And that's where I think these of centrism is an insult partly comes from. 'cause it's come to mean being the wishy washy not really standing up believing as opposed to what I think people soup proponents that kind of at UB about what is about rational policy-making when we talk about centrism or the death of centralism what we are also talking about is the rise of ideologues. So by that token, I'm going to say centrism is basically the style of technocratic expert lead consensus. Politics making which seems to be on the way. Hello and welcome to the foreign desk. I'm Andrew moolah. And my first guest today walls, one of the first wave of seven defectors to the new independent group in the UK's house of Commons. Chris Liz Levi member of parliament for Nottingham east left the labor party earlier this week after thirty two years of membership saying labor had been hijacked by the machine politics of the far lift I spoke to Chris Leslie at colors house in Westminster. I started by asking him if he saw the independent group as a centrist movement. I think it is a center ground formation, basically trying to build a consensus around what we have characterized as the main stream values of the country. We worked together on a couple of sides of four of our statement of values the values not so the policy prescription. So we haven't sort of gone into particular details relate. Getting to one particular month of one particular, but we've talked very much about those things that we think cut across that center ground so notions of fair play focusing on opportunity and merit in terms of advancing through society, but also recognizing the importance of responsibility, both individuals having to take some responsibility. But also, the political responsibility international responsibilities. We all have I think the public. Yes. Want compassion in their politics and hate the fact that particularly from the conservative side. Has felt as though is left the vulnerable isolated, but they also care about tax payers money being spent properly with adequate scrutiny those are pretty basic things and sometimes taken for granted. But I think now is a period where we've had to reassert some of those values because the public have have haven't heard that from the main parties for a long time. What's your feeling about? Why centrism though has become it has literally become a term of abuse or centrist has become a turn of abuse, especially within the labor party in this country, which well within living memory prided itself on upholding exactly that you'll have heard this criticism already the idea that the independent group is basically a Tony Blair tribute act. Well, Tony Blair didn't have focused clue what was going on this week. And nobody he's I think he said himself. So we've decided to do our own thing and plow our own for oh, you can't look back to the last century for the answers of for the challenges that are going ahead. There are certain things that I think people are yearning for to come back into the political debate long term issues that need desperate action climate change ageing society in productivity in the economy, what on earth, we're going to do with technological revolution. All of those things have completely been put on the back burner because partly because Brexit has arrived and the main political parties have chosen to sit on the fence or take go down particularly euro-phobic route. So I'm aware that there is this attack that somehow the center ground is a grey scale mash up of those more clear of. Tipple's on either either end of the spectrum. I don't accept that characterization of the center ground. I think the values I hold are just as valid and strong, for example. I do not believe in lese, fair market solutions in all circumstances. I similarly do not believe in status ownership and control so answers in all circumstances. I believe in well-regulated Mark social market economy, which allows enterprise to thrive and helps us generate decent economy. So that the revenues we have pay for our public services and allows government to intervene on things like health and social care and education the basics that we all need to protect those most in need that isn't something that is has been talked about for a long time. And I think people have lost sight of that. But of course, it's it's a complicated thing sometimes to talk about that in a social media age wherein to itunes and sixty characters. Everybody wants to have. A black and white answer to every possible solution. You know, you've either got to be four something or against something and almost debate or nuance has been squeezed out of the body politic. And that is partly I think what hoping there will be a bit of a response to how do you respond to the criticism, which I know you've you've doubtless already heard and certainly going to here again, this is essentially a reanimation on attempt to reanimate the very very thing that the populist revolts from both sides of politics that we've seen were actually a response to. Yes and populism. I think is has is having its moment. I mean, you can see whether it's Trump in the states all happening in in Europe. And of course, it's fueled very much by this sugar, Russian the social media side. You can definitely whip up a lot of anger if you are a populist. But I think we now we've now coming to a point where that needs to be an antidote to populism insofar as I actually think if you build a populist appeal essentially on false promises that the solution to everybody's problem is something to do with stopping immigration, for instance, if you're coming from the right wing or that if everything is owned and controlled by an individual pulling levers in the treasury, then then everything will be fine that that those false promises will be found out. You know, one of the things I've worried about in the labor party has been the constant sort of tendency to go into making impossible promises, particularly on the on spending, which couldn't really be fulfilled and most people know in their hearts, they couldn't really be fulfilled without jeopardizing the economy, you know, everybody wants everything for free. But actually when you start asking, well d- mind, I ask how are you going to pay for it or where's the money coming from those difficult decisions have have been airbrushed out of the populist. Script and they don't want to have to confront some of those things. But as Trump is finding out in the states when it comes to fulfilling those promises that got him elected. He's now struggling with with when reality bites and similarly the populist movements are going to have to face that. And unless we have the confidence to call out. Snake oil salesman that actually they are peddling things that are not that are not realistic or achievable, then then the populace will continue to win if as seems likely for the next while anyway, the independent group is going to be thought of as what constitutes centrism in British politics. And I say that with all due respect to the Liberal Democrats how quickly and how practically I guess do you do you figure out how to stop? I think it's fair to say that right now, you'll see as being defined in terms of what you're not which is to say, you're not the hard left labor party. And you're not the cranky eurosceptic head bangers of the conservative party. How soon are you able do you think to start to finding yourselves in terms of what you are? Well, I hope from day one we've tried to have a positive and constructive set of values set out in on our website and on the put that we have from. Day one because it isn't just about what is wrong with the the main parties, it is very much about the values. We want to take forward now that isn't a full policy program or manifesto. We haven't even got the structures yet, we've got to have our inaugural meetings, and so forth and talk about you know, what roles people are going to do all of that is still to be to be discussed. But. You know, those positive values in the centre ground that echo as a microcosm of mainstream society. I believe we've had a good go at articulating those hope over the next few weeks and months people will look at that. And start to say, yeah, I understand where that's coming from. It is not about an ideological approach to understanding society or funding solutions it's about an evidence based approach to moving through public policy. Trying to take a longer term attitude to the way. Different challenges are addressed. But from a set of values that I think are certainly ones that I've always felt quite strongly about but people have to read them make their own judgment. And it's up to them. It's up to the public part of this is about also not. You know to to really push back at this notion that the party's own voters. Oh, this is a labor seat or this is a conservative area parties shouldn't own voters. They should earn votes from people. And I think we need a little bit more challenge to say stop being complacent. We want to try and earn votes by engaging with people and their interests and their attitudes. And hopefully, we'll try we'll try and do that. But it won't be a straight won't be a straight line. There will be ups and downs. If people are looking for disagreements between those of us who've come together, I'm sure they will be able to find them the nature of being an independent group is that we are going to take different stances between us, but I think we'll be able to tolerate those because in normal life people can tolerate different opinions. But somehow along the road, certainly within the labour party tolerance became forbidden. And you had to literally sign oaths of loyalty this past weekend to the great leader, and in a very intolerant environment, and that cultural changes of really really strong part of what we want to try and achieve that was Chris Leslie MP of the independent group.

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"centrism" Discussed on The IVY Podcast

The IVY Podcast

03:21 min | 2 years ago

"centrism" Discussed on The IVY Podcast

"Now is we have this species? We moved to a different level of understanding our belonging, and that's called ethnocentrism at no central some means. Yes, you're kind. Yes. You are. Yes, you're awesome. But mostly people of your own, ethnicity color, language, religion, or national identity. So when you see people who are who are talking about building, a border wall the opening from an ethnocentric existence when you see Brits voting for Brexit. That's at no central. No one is saying it's wrong, human development theorists estimate that seventy percent of the world today is at center. Trick which means that they've simply been trained to see the compassion as their nationality or religion or culture at center is right in places like China and Russia in America though, there's a new emergence. And I guess this is because of America's diversity it's called world centrism. So the overall global population is thirty percent world Centric now, we'll central means. Yes. I love my culture. But I appreciate other cultures. I appreciate other languages. I appreciate other religions, so we'll transcend is is a is a slightly more. Emerging idea. It's it's becoming very dominant in Canada and the United States because so many cultures come together. Right. But if you look, for example, even in America, I don't see a left right left right divide. I see a Wilson ethnocentrism Dubai. It's not left. All right. Because if you look at left or right. It's no longer the classical like economic policies and stuff it's really at no central or world centrism Trump stands for Aetna. Centrism Obama stand for Wilson. Now, if you're Aetna Centric, you'll see well Centric and think they are silly. You will say Obama giving a greeting to Russians during the Persian new year scandalous. How dare he gives a greeting to Iranians who wanna blow us up. But if you're will Centric, you look at Trump's border wall. And you think that's ridiculous. Why aren't we helping a country that's less privileged than ours? So again, depending on where you are it has to do with your worldview now the world is. More towards centrism, but there's a level above it. And that level is called Cosmo centrism cost central economic development Orissa just that your level of compassion extend beyond the human race to the entire cost MOS, which means even alien spaceship landed and car gap, God enough the galaxy got out and he was slimy tentacles emerging from his mouth, you would still go and give him a hug 'cause hey he sent it. That's cost more central right? So religion keeps people rooted at Aetna. Centrism think about the world religions we are the chosen people Islam is the one part to God Jesus is the son of God. Right. Religion keeps people at the Aetna Centric level. But if you look at the great religious leaders are beyond that the pope washed the feet of Muslims Gandhi said, I'm a Hindu. But I'm also a Muslim, and I'm a Jew, and I'm a Catholic the great religious leaders have gone beyond religion, the people keep it down. So I love the fact I loved the current pope. He's actually world Centric. Right. He's gone beyond. Just Christianity the world needs to move upwards towards centralism, and spirituality is a way to get us there..

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"centrism" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

02:06 min | 2 years ago

"centrism" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"There is an argument to be made though that Brett Kavanagh and I'm speculating here that he cares enough about his legacy. He cares enough about his professional reputation and he has a longtime on the bench. And so knowing that he goes into every four argument and he writes, every opinion, would the world watching to see if he's putting thumb on the scale and to see if he's going out of his way to whack. You know, people on the left who he thinks almost derailed his confirmation that maybe he will do the reverse. And maybe he will for appearances and for his own reputation and legacy a little bit bend over backwards to be. Be an appear to be fair to the side that he thinks almost knocked him out of the seat. That's the kind of thing that happens from time to time when someone has cast aspersions on your neutrality and your impartiality doesn't always happen. But when someone does that people who care about their legacy in history and he's going to be one of nine people, he will be in the history books because a supreme court Justice. Sometimes people like that are regulated by the worry that they are going to be perceived a certain way. So I don't know if that's true. I like to be hopeful about these things. And so we'll see. But no recusals look, I had a theory like this about Kevin on optimistic theory, and I said to Ron clean former guests, and he said, well, you know what? Everyone loves a fairytale. I do too. My guest this week is max boot. He's been a player in conservative circles for decades, including among other things as a senior foreign policy adviser for the presidential campaigns of John McCain. Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio. He's now a fellow at the council on foreign relations, a columnist at the Washington Post, and the author of a new book, the corrosion of conservatism, why I left the right, I speak with him about how the GOP became the party of Trump America's turn inward and how to make centrism sexy that's coming up. Stay tuned..

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"centrism" Discussed on Stance

Stance

02:18 min | 3 years ago

"centrism" Discussed on Stance

"Um you know i think that we have seen barriers broken down obviously in my lifetime we saw the united states elect the first black president um when you know the country elected obama so we have precedent to see that you know it doesn't always have to be a white man that's elected but you know if kamala harris runs she's definitely going to face um a lot of sexism and misogyny and she'll face racism as well so whether she can overcome that of course would remain to be seen i we haven't seen anybody do it yet but that doesn't mean that it can't happen that was cleft farrand former associate editor for the atlantic maxine now here in the uk centrism appears to be as dead in the water is is in trump land is that really the case i spoke to sandra kadduri from renew one of the many political movements hoping to take the centreground here in britain i started off by asking her why she thinks centrism is right for the uk now we believe the time is right for a new political party we've seen that we are at a moments of crisis in britain right now with many disaffected people and also many remained voters who actually believe we should not believe in european union and we believe it is time to bring fresh blood into the system there's loads of attacks on centrism at the moment amid to politics it would you say would you agree of people who say that centrists and not concerned with a fundamentally new way of living in a changing the world but they just extremely confident individuals who are confident never ability to lead this elitism really in the in the middle and luxury what you think about that i think what we are trying to do is to avoid labels really we're trying to come up with some pragmatic policy ideas that steel from right and left on the sense agrout we believe we're going to have some progressive policies that deafening look to the future but also go back and look at why these inequalities half spread and contrary and whether we can address them with some bold initiatives but what about the argument that centrist politics he's just devoid of real political philosophy or values you know you have to keep on making allowance his on your values and beliefs to reach this and tell you know.

"centrism" Discussed on WCPT 820

WCPT 820

02:39 min | 3 years ago

"centrism" Discussed on WCPT 820

"Rj esca hello everybody and welcome back to the program astronomers tell us that the stars we see in the night sky actually died many millennia ago they're light has spanned e on's crossing the vast emptiness of space in order to reach us here on earth but the fires that ignited those stars were extinguished long long long ago all of which makes me think about centuries of centralism of course is the self proclaimed political movement that is funded by billionaires and corporations in order to convince science that that we should be led by corporate funded politicians from both political parties aid is usually marketed if not in the name of centrism than in the name of bipartisanship bipartisan i believe that word his their invaded from the word by which is to purchase and partisan which is the member of a bird political parties some of the by partisan movement has been largely discredited by a couple of things first of all the austerity economics and other policies they represent along with the foreign policy militarism that has led us into tragic devastating and explore nearly expensive military adventures is enormously unpopular with people around the world because it is unsuccessful evil and wrong that is number one reason why it is unpopular secondly because movements on the right have taken over the republican party and filled with even a crazier insanity and number two the democratic party is quickly being taken over and door outflanked by a genuinely populist a left movement so why am i talking about centrism because it's back because when you have that much money behind you you will continue to want to go after the american people case in point washington post in an op ed recently entitled ken centrism be movement that seems sort of political hacks we dissect it before you're here on this program and in writing like no labels showed up and they had a gathering in order to convince reporters that centrism can in fact be a movement they kicking off with a dialogue between two of centrism ssim's biggest stars former british prime minister.

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