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Kent Alexander & Kevin Salwen, "The Suspect"

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

20:03 min | 1 year ago

Kent Alexander & Kevin Salwen, "The Suspect"

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FDIC this is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP on. Here's Jeremy Sharon just a few weeks. A new major motion pictures they always say is going to be released directed by Clint Eastwood. It is Richard Jewel and it tells the tragic story of the Security Guard at the one thousand nine hundred ninety six Olympics who was initially hailed as a hero for saving being lives at the Centennial Olympic Park bombing and then became a suspect he was eventually cleared but it had a devastating overstating effect on his life. New Film again. Is Richard Jewel directed by Clint Eastwood. It's coming out in the second week of December in one of the sources for the film is a book by our next guests. The book is suspect in Olympic bombing the FBI the media in Richard Jewel. The man caught in in the middle. It's a long title and the authors. Are Ken Alexander and Kevin Sal when they join us now. Can't let me start with you because because we're going to do this now medical order and I can't see either of you Have you had a chance to see the film which is based at least in part on your book. Doc We have warner brothers is Kinda have to fly in our wives out last week to the premier and what did you think thought it was phenomenal. which is we both love? The film I'll arrives to Kevin. Of course you know when these things happen you know a film over. The course of a couple of hours can only tell so much of the story and sometimes it only conforms to a certain degree with the actual story in the interest of of Digestibility storytelling so forth Does the film captured the spirit of the story. The True Story. Oh absolutely Clinton's does a wonderful job of capturing the idea idea of this unsung hero gets caught in the crosshairs of the FBI and the media to the most powerful forces in our society and and You know in broad strokes absolutely. It's not a documentary feature film and the and it's it's delightfully entertaining for that for that point again the book is suspect acting Olympic bombing the FBI the media and Richard Jewel. The man caught in the middle and tells the story of what happened in the summer of Nineteen Ninety six the bombing at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta Richard Jewel. A security guard saving lives Initially hailed as as I said as a hero then he becomes a suspect The media single tim out his his life is then in turmoil mm-hmm oil in worse. I I was there that night I was working for. NBC Sports at the Olympics. I remember being awakened to in the morning by my boss working on the Olympic Nick morning. Show saint everybody's gotTa get in the initial reports were that many many people were killed. I think ultimately the the death toll was one one one person killed in the bombing itself. A cameraman suffered a fatal heart attack on his way to to cover the instant. Do I have that right right right. And one hundred plus injured with shrapnel. Really a tragic situation. How did Richard Jewel go so quickly? Can't from being a hero to being a suspect. Well here's a hero can helps Alerted authorities. He did alert authorities cleared. Everybody lies in Europe for a couple of days. He went to became a suspect when call started coming in from about including from his former employer whereas campus cop up in North Georgia college and then and there was a profile of came in people started thinking about the nineteen eighty-four Olympics when a police officer down what he claimed was a bomb and a Turkish bus ran ran away with it. Put it somewhere else. Save the day but he turns out he planted it and he wanted to be a hero bomber and win at the FBI did a profile. Actually Justin Donald Falls and then it showed up in the local paper and then broadcast all sorts of media. People just jump to the conclusion rush the judgment that he was absolutely the bomber and the way it went Kevin. I I remember at the time as I said I was working for. NBC Sports is a writer there. I remember One of the big moments it's Kind of as this narrative was unfolding was was Tom Brokaw on the air. Speaking specifically about Richard. Jewell what what happened in that in that that situation well. Tom Brokaw Using his own sources Went on air and Essentially said I won't get the words. It's quite a one hundred percent right. But he essentially said they have enough to arrest him. They have enough to charge him. And now what they need is enough to convict victim. which in in Really in many ways was just a remarkably damaging thing to say. I mean it took it from it. took the story from being a local story The piece of dirty been on CNN. That that Richard Jewell was a suspect. But now Brokaw was taking this to another level altogether of actually putting Richard Jewel in a courtroom and And actually studying him up for potential conviction and and You know this propelled the story in a way the media narrative is just kind of remarkable. In this whole thing. You know in many ways. It's very much a a pro. A priest social media social media story. I mean this is nineteen ninety six you know the CNN's already up and running. I said but MSNBC you see and Fox News Channel Come on the air that year and the Wall Street Journal The New York Times and bunch of other publications go online for the first time. And so now you have this this Essentially this media scrum. That's very much like today's social media society a massive failure. Oh you're on the part of the media Ruining Richard Jewell's life is. That is that too strong to put it that way. Kenner is or is that what happened. Well I'd I'd say scarring his life what we do in the book as we We got to do is a rock and roll singer before all this happened. And he has a twisting and turning life with Some interesting reveals down the road along with the reporter and broke the story and the agent made the case. That wasn't so he is is we follow his life through we find find out ruined might be too strong a word but scarred forever is absolutely and you can't go through an experience like this now have your name just splattered uttered by like his was and his his mom to Bobby Without having lifelong effects so he had lifelong effects but Some of the things that happened after after the bombing were pretty entertaining. We had a little happiness in there too. We're speaking with Ken. Alexander and Kevin Salman the authors of the book suspect and Olympic bombing the F. B. I.. The median Richard Jewel. You'll the man caught in the middle. There book is one of the source materials for the new film. Richard Jewel directed by Clint Eastwood which is coming out in early early December and eventually FBI clears Richard Jewel. And he's exonerated. What does he get for all of his trouble? Does he get anything Kevin. Well I mean first of all. He's not that can't By the CO author here Mike here here is the guy who actually wrote the clearance letter for Richard Jewel You know so it was the Justice Department that actually had kind of orchestrated this through the FBI and and and a bunch of other Agencies and such to to get Richard Formerly formerly non targeted No and Richard did not have a way to sort of get back at the FBI. What he What he and his lawyers did was to go? Oh after the media and try to collect liable cases late libel case money from them he used smoke Tom. Brokaw and in your experiences at NBC WELL NBC was a prime target for four Richards lawyers and he won over a half a million dollars in a settlement with them. He sued CNN. He Sued The New York Post and And the big case was against the Atlanta Journal Constitution which broke the initial story and That was a case that ended up going for more than a decade and and In the end Richard Jewell's Team did not win that case they actually lost that case can't as a former the US attorney The way this case played out. What are the lessons here for people in law enforcement twenty Three years later to come to mind. I is the obvious. One don't leak Someone in law enforcement. We disclosed in the book who that was surprise me even though I was there at the time surprise everybody in law enforcement. I know but that's that's just something that shouldn't happen the head of the FBI. Louie Freeh they had in the Atlanta office does everybody was pounding this over this lake so Warren Doley Number number two. I would say and I hope this to take away from this case for law enforcement mm-hmm and media to recognize there's always a human being at the end of any investigation and he charged any claim that someone is a suspect and the fact that young people see what the human toll was on Richard Jewel in the spoke in the movie to I think is an important takeaway just to think twice before you out. Somebody in that especially goes for anybody would ever consider leaky. Kevin as you know as as someone who's worked at some of the top newspapers in the world world going back and looking at the way. This was mishandled by the media if you were teaching classes journalism school based on the coverage of the Richard Jewel case. Yes we'll be. We'll be the lessons. I mean can't mention some of them. What would be the things you would want to emphasize your students about how to do it right first? Things first the story that the Atlanta Journal Constitution ran to to say that Richard Jewel was the lead suspect of the FBI was an accurate story. That's story itself. Richard Jewel was indeed the lead suspect for the FBI. You can have a lot of discussions newsrooms and journalism schools about whether there you should run that story before anyone is arrested or charged but the real failure. That happened here. Jeremy was re was what happened afterward. And because many of the reporters were ten thousand journalists and ten fifteen thousand journalists Intel. I should say and this piling on of Richard Jewel and the essentially as as I mentioned earlier this is this is a social pre social media social media story and so the equivalent length of facebook shares and the and the re tweets where media organizations would just repeat or even heighten and turn the dial in a way way to get you an even more sensational story really. Having no evidence there was a there was horrific case here of media Profiling of so Richard Jewell was overweight. Guy He was thirty three he lived with his mother. He had been fired from a couple of jobs. He liked to collect guns and go hunting. And all of that factored into this big stew in which the media sort of said okay. This guy is a Bubba and he actually is perfectly the kind of guy who could have done this. So therefore let's let's really an up and we find out eventually intially can that it was Eric Rudolph. Of course long after Richard Jewel had been cleared. How how did Eric Rudolph confesses in two thousand and five? When did the authorities think that Rudolf might be responsible? Jan Late January in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. This is fourth bombing the Olympic being the first He was spotted. There was a license plate. Id that was tracked back to him but the authorities missed him. You know this is in an in Birmingham. He went back to North Carolina where he lives and he disappeared into Mountains and forests of western North Carolina for the next Five and a half years and the FBI and other law enforcement tried to find and helicopters bloodhounds hundreds of people and evaded capture until until actually two thousand three and he was Any the rest of the in the most unlikely way by By a local COP and happy news for Richard Jews. Richard Jewell ended up being alive to see that happen and So many people have a responsibility for what went wrong here. What is the legacy for law enforcement of the case? How how how people look back at it now? Twenty three years later I think the legacy is Comes down to rush to the judgement and make sure you step back. Take a look at all the facts in this case. There's plenty of reason to look at rituals a suspect but The lessons to you always look for things that exonerate. Someone not just things that might show that he's yielding. This time went on. It was clear there was much more the latter her and the reason was he wasn't guilty. He was guilty of anything to do with the bombing. In fact to he was a hero so I think avoiding a rush to judgment standing back and hoping hoping and praying. The media doesn't get a hold of a case and out somebody based on a leak that was law enforcement sleek because that screws everything up Kevin. It almost sounds sounds naive in. That's not naive but to say that in This Day and age twenty three years later after the advent of Social Media and the twenty four seven news cycle and the constant need to publish the constant need to do live reports on the on the cable news channels that that it would be handled any better by the media today if this happened today this kind of situation. How do you think it would unfold for the media nationally funded? It's not. It's not if it happened. Today it does happen today and We saw it with the Duke Lacrosse players. You know. We saw it in the Boston marathon bombing. We are as a society so desperate to have the answers right now and that it's a very dangerous trend. I think and what happens. Is these these. His name's get surfaced. They get passed around on social media. Everybody moves on except for the person who was in the crosshairs of that and and that person's life doesn't recover in the same way and I think you know it's very easy for us to to blame. I'm the FBI. It's very easy for us to blame the media and they deserve blame but then again we as media consumers also share some of that plane maybe the maybe the point for us to all do is to slow down and wait for accuracy instead of seed. Good luck with that right. I agree it's a bit of a genie bottle question before we let you guys go. And it's such an important book in such an important in story To understand our society today and the role of the media law enforcement as well the book again is suspect and Olympic bombing the FBI the median. Richard Jewell killed a man caught in the middle by Ken. Alexander and Kevin Sow and before we let you go Richard Jewel a dies at the age of forty four twelve years ago. Two thousand seven at the time of his death Kevin How did he consider the arc of the story in his life. Where was he with it? Richard always wanted to be known own as something other than the former suspect. It's not necessarily. He wanted to be known as a hero. He wanted to be a cop. He wanted to be his dream was to be a road deputy. That's what he loved to do. And if that could have been just the way. He was perceived as Richard Jewel law enforcement officer. He would've loved that and he did get to to To live several years of his life laid it As exactly that as a as a patrol officer and And that brought him. That brought him happiness. He ends up getting married. He ends up Well people can read in the book and and really understand the the the the arcus life. There's there's much joy as much unhappiness and I hope people will look will read the suspect or that one thing people forget about sometimes it has. It's a story about the Olympics. and Michael Johnson Terry Stir Carl Lewis Muhammad alleys. And they're your a book on Jesse Owens. He makes an appearance to. He's had a lot to do with the line of getting a game. So there's just an interesting Interesting stories and twists concerns and all this many relating to sports one thing. I remember vividly as well as I haven't seen it. Probably in twenty three years. But the video of Janet Evans. I think being interviewed interview at the moment that the bomb goes off and her her reaction. I think it was the only real time video. We had Janet ended Evans. What are the great swimmers of all time there? I it's something It's something many of us who were alive at the time old enough to appreciate it. We'll never forget Ken Alexander and Kevin Sow in their book is suspect and Olympic bombing the FBI. The median. Richard Jewel demand caught in the Middle Gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us here in the sporting in life grace German. Great to be with you man. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and and ESPN APP. Beginning at six am eastern time. Your home is important. That's why GEICO helps make it easy to save on Homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place he's home is where you curl up on the couch in a fetal position and cry at cheesy movies even though you've seen them a thousand times and have all the lines memorized you and also you with me and you. The GEICO Insurance Agency can help protect tear-filled comfort zone. You Call Call Geico and see how easy it is to switch and save on Homeowner's insurance.

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Verizon invests big in getting network Super Bowl ready:  VP Andrea Caldini

Techstination

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Verizon invests big in getting network Super Bowl ready: VP Andrea Caldini

"Welcome to the nation. Joining us as Andrea called any vice president for network engineering for the east at Verizon. Thank you for joining us. Andrea. Thank you so much for having me here. Well, you are down in Atlanta. And a lot of football fans heading that way. And it's not just because you're a fan that you're there. Tell us what you're up to. Yeah. No. I have the greatest job in the world. I work with a team of Verizon engineers here who build the best wireless network, and it's really part of our DNA and these networks support our customers, our communities businesses, and our first responders and here in Atlanta, we've been preparing for the Super Bowl for the last two years we've invested around ninety seven million in and around the city of Atlanta to support the influx of customers who will be coming here to this great event and our goal is to put in as many permanent solutions as possible. So that after we lead the city, we leave it stronger than it was before. And before was very strong as we see that we've won route metrics here for the last ten consecutive times. It's interesting you've got so many people who are going to be packed into Mercedes Benz stadium. And a large percentage of them are going to be using their mobile devices and a large percentage of those. Obviously are going to be using Verizon's network, and that's on top of everything else going around with with the media at cetera et cetera. Tell us about the challenges that poses. Yeah. So when we look at the number of customers that are going to be coming into Atlanta for the different events. So not only do you have the Super Bowl, but you have the week leading up to it. And there's many concerts, there's different venues where media is we have over Philips arena. We had media night on Monday nights. Where again, we have an Indo -thing system that we put in and then just think of the hotels, right where the NFL is staying. So we have in building systems supporting the media and the hotels as well. As where we think most of the customers will be saying for this event. So you know, as we prepare we not only look at outside and Centennial Olympic Park inside the world congress center where we have a lot of the NFL activities and then the practice facilities where both teams are staying the hotels where the team. Are staying. So you know, it's not just the stadium. It's everywhere. We think the crowds will be in the restaurants at the different events, the different concerts. The pop concerts that come about. So we really have to prepare the coal city both outside an indoor as we think of the number of people that will be coming to these events. I can't even venture to guess how many selfish are going to be taken. How much video is going to be streamed? Yeah. And and that's the thing that's different about a Super Bowl versus a normal game. So if you think about a normal game, we don't have we have much more people downloading at a Super Bowl. You have a lot more uploads. You have people who want to show where they are who wanna show the kickoff who want to take pictures and post them. So it's really very interesting as we see the differences between the Super Bowl game and a normal game that we we see. Throughout the year. Can you quantify the investment? Verizon's making down there for this. Yes. So we've invested around ninety seven million in the last two years to support this, and it, you know, it's really a two year project as you think about the amount of fiber. We need to put in the ground to be able to support the solutions that were putting up on the the polls, you know, if you think about small south solutions in and around the park around the stadium out in the airport. You know, we've done a really good job getting access on the tarmac, which traditionally has been a very difficult place for providers to provide service, but we wanna make sure that when you come into the city as soon as you LAN, you have great service since the work starts so far ahead of time. Your folks already busy down in Florida where the next two Super Bowls are going to be played right? Yes. So I- since I have the east. This is my. I do per bowl. I was out in Minnesota last year with my colleague from the west to had the previous Super Bowls. And so I have this years and then I get to finish on Monday. And then well, we've already started down in Miami. And then we're you know restarted in Tampa as well. So we have the next two in our Florida markets, the crews already getting busy down there. So tell us in Atlanta there the network is ready for all this yet. We are ready. We've been we have walked testers out. You know at my team. We have our command center set up here in Atlanta. And then we have a team of walk testers that are out and around there at all the events or testing the network they're looking for any type of interference. There's things that could come up where something that wasn't there before is now brought in for the game or some type of speaker or they're doing some reconfiguration. Shen great example is at Philips arena for media night. They put a huge floor above ten feet above where the normal floor is. So they could get all of the media out onto this area. We had the scramble and move some of our in Tennessee that were now underneath the new floor up and above it. So that we could support media night, and then tear it all down for the concert. That's coming this Thursday. So we have a team of folks here. They're out with all of our customers with our first responders we have been working with the first responder community for the last two years in preparation. We will we do that also down in Florida and just making sure that everybody comes here has a safe and fun event. And I guess you really do have to expect the unexpected. Yes. That's you know, we're always here on, you know, backups for the backup. So we have a number of temporary solutions that are actually placed out in Centennial Olympic Park that we don't have turned on right now. But if something happens, we could then turn that on and use those that asset. So we think about, you know, something happened. You know, how do we react what is in the plan for any type of contingencies? So that we're really prepared for anything that could happen down there. He'll much the most of us. Don't stop to think about all of the work that goes on behind the scenes, especially with you folks, kind of work that you do. Yeah. We work really closely with the NFL understanding where the different events are going to be. So that we make sure that we have the solutions in the right place for where the masses of people will be. Terrific again. It's Andrea called any vice president of network engineering for the east at Barisal. Thank you so much for taking time with us. Thank you. Vow this how many companies out there have continued to innovate when it comes to building. A better radio. I'm Fred Fishburn, host of textile nation, and I'm here to tell you about the new C sky wave SP radio from the wonderful people at sea crane baba is crew really love radio, and it shows in this new compact model that is packed with features beyond great AM FM reception. Unsound you can tune into shortwave signals from around the world. Listen to ham radio operators aviation and more. It's the radio you'll turn to every day. And in emergencies it will run for nearly three days on just two AA batteries hair. The sleep timer with a new soft speaker three and you've got the perfect radio for your nightstand. 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October 14, 2019: Olympic Bomber Charged

Today in True Crime

16:12 min | 1 year ago

October 14, 2019: Olympic Bomber Charged

"The today is Monday October fourteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in Nineteen Ninety eight thirty two year old serial bomber Eric Robert Rudolph was charged for the Fatal Nineteen Ninety six Olympic Park bombing and for the Richard Jewel sat hunched over the keyboard of his mother's home computer as crimes listener discretion is advised extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen before we unpack the ramifications of sittard one of the FBI's most wanted fugitives hey welcome to today and true crime apar- cast original every day we flip back rudolphs crimes let's go back to the day he was formally charged on October Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety eight in the early afternoon vehicles the telephone rang it's tone sharp and startlingly close Richard winced as his virtual spacecraft crashed into the golf the Olympic Park bomber in nineteen ninety six he detonated a homemade pipe bomb in Centennial Olympic Park a man died of a heart attack while covering the event despite an intense FBI investigation Eric Rudolph was not identified as a suspect act until almost two years later by which point he had committed three more acts of terror due to the graphic nature of today on since any reporters had called the house so after the fourth ring he picked it up hey champ came the familiar suther he booted up the game on a whim this afternoon while visiting and was surprised at how quickly the controls came back to him he'd beaten it over a dozen eyes glued to the screen as one eight bit flying saucer after another exploded in a blaze of red and orange pixellated fireworks were practically confined to her Atlanta apartment unable to even step outside without being hounded by reporters or trailed by F. B. I. and I wanNa tell you about the new three dollar little John from Jimmy Johns a skinny mini version of any original sandwich for only three bucks dollars order a three dollar little John at Jimmy John's dot com or with the Jimmy John's APP at participating locations taxes and delivery fees extra the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history. I'm Vanessa Richardson and today we're covering Eric Robert Route the Atlanta Summer Olympics one hundred and eleven people were injured in the attack a forty four year old woman was killed and a Turkish camera times two years earlier in the aftermath of the nineteen ninety six summer Olympics it had been a rare source of escape then when Richard and his mother in drawl it was Watson Bryant Richards friend and attorney and the man he had spent more time with than virtually anyone else over the past two years it's a little more than a regular sandwich which is perfect if you're not super hungry or if you WANNA try a couple different sandwiches or if you like bragging that your lunch only cost three side of the screen he glared at the phone on the desk hating the anxiety that had erupted in his chest at the innocuous sound but it had been Shen what's going on just turn on the TV said Bryant you're GonNa WanNa see this yourself put on fathomed he'd seen this footage dozens of times before this was how it had all started two years ago in the summer of nineteen life to Shakey footage of people running and screaming through a public park white smoke curling above their heads Richard Blink Richard patted down the hall to the Living Room he pride the remote from the cushions of the couch and powered on the TV the screen burst went foot surgery he took a job as a security guard for the. At and T. tent at the Centennial Olympic Park newly opened for the Nineteen Ninety six ninety six Richard had just resigned from his position as a police officer at Piedmont College and moved home to take care of his mother while she under Atlanta Summer Olympics one week into the Games on the evening of July twenty sixth Richard went into work with a severe stomach cramp and a barely manageable case of diarrhea around midnight he emerged from the parks public bathrooms and spotted a green military style back zero newspapers television anchors and late night hosts leapt on the dramatic reversal. NBC's Tom Brokaw suggested rushed to the hospital in the immediate aftermath of the bombing Richard Jewell was heralded as a hero his quick assessment of the situation and over an hour later at about one twenty five in the morning it ripped the bench to shreds and sprayed hundreds of seven inch nails. I've been trying to get a hold of you for half an hour have you seen the news you know I don't watch that crud Richard snapped not bothering to mask his irritation claimed it alarm bells blared in Richard's head he phoned his superior and with the help of a colleague cleared a twenty five foot perimeter it's on the table Richard contacted his friend Watson Bryant and asked if he would represent him as he navigated the quagmire of his new found fame I know dubbed him the Unit Doofus the image onscreen changed rocking Richard Jewel back to the present a woman addressed the camera from podium emblazoned with the Seal of the Department of Justice she repeated a name for what must his mother they commented on his weight called him a Weirdo a wannabe cop and a fat failed sheriff's deputy jailers Richard shut his eyes barely able to believe his next words it's over coming mm-hmm then almost overnight the narrative changed pressured for news about the advancement of the case the F. B. I. Released a statement on the bench he didn't know how much time they had then he dashed to the control tower where the reporter's news technicians covering the games were stationed and finally officially identified as the Olympic bomber he had been twenty nine years old when he committed that I act of terror in crossed the park despite the twenty five foot safe zone over a hundred people including many of Richard Jewell's colleagues and friends were meant that Richard Jewell was being viewed as a suspect they implied that he had planted the bomb himself so that he could find it and become a he pack under a bench the park was still crowded and it took a few minutes for Richard to ask all of the bystanders the pack was there's when no one have been the third time Eric Robert Rudolph as of this morning Rudolph had been formally charged with the Centennial Park bombing as inch Atlanta's crowded Centennial Olympic Park One hundred eleven people were injured in the blast most of them by the nails that Rudolph had I want y'all out now he shouted at them this is serious the pack exploded a little placed in the bombs as shrapnel a forty four year old mother named Alice Hawthorne was killed when a nail pierced her skull the speed with which he cleared the immediate area surrounding the pack had likely prevented countless deaths there were TV appearances and book deal Richard Jewell v the FBI's profile of a lone bomber they harped on the fact that at thirty three years old Richard lived at home bi zeroed in on hero security guard Richard Jewel as the prime suspect Eric Rudolph prepared for his next attack eighteen ninety six on January twenty sixth he planted a military style pack containing three home-made pipebombs underneath a springs Georgia injuring six two months later on February twenty first he detonated pipebombs at the other side lounge and LG Sanderson and seriously injuring a nurse. This time Rudolph's pickup truck was spotted at the scene based on the similarity of the Explosive Carolina. Did you hear that Chap came Watson Brian's Voice Richards ear they charged him with Centennial Park you know what that means appeared the FBI believed that he was hiding in the wooded mountains of North Carolina near the area where he had grown on January sixteenth nineteen ninety seven two bombs exploded at an abortion clinic and Sandy uh-huh Sanyal a Turkish cameraman died of a heart attack while rushing to cover the explosion in the aftermath of the bombing while the press and Rudolph detonated a bomb at the new woman all women abortion clinic in Birmingham Alabama killing thirty five year old security guard Robert Food pilfered from the dumpsters of nearby grocery stores some of his most dependable food targets were the McDonalds and the save a lot in the town of Andrews btcu nightclub in northeast Atlanta at least five people were injured then on January twenty ninth nineteen ninety eight. FBI struggled to locate the serial bomber their instincts had not been wrong Rudolph was camping out in the snowbird and Tuskegee mountains up but after deploying helicopters and hundreds of field agents to search the area for months they had found no sign of him he was he was eating the same food as the men who were conducting his men hunt on May thirty first two thousand three Eric Rudolph was arrested while stealing food from the dumpster of

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March Madness: Centennial Olympic Park Bombing

Sports Criminals

05:37 min | 1 year ago

March Madness: Centennial Olympic Park Bombing

"Welcome to the sports. Criminals March madness special everyday in March. We're counting down the top thirty one sports scandals of the past thirty one years in Nineteen ninety-six week one of the Summer Olympics in Atlanta concluded with a celebration in Centennial Park. The excitement of thousands quickly turned into chaos when a pipe bomb filled with nails exploded for more shocking sports events from history tune in right here every day to our march madness special. Listen FREE ON SPOTIFY OR WHEREVER. You get your podcast. July twenty seventh nineteen ninety-six Atlanta Georgia. The first week of the Summer Olympics had concluded and the energy in the city was buzzing at Centennial Park. Jack Mack and the heart attack jammed on stage in front of a thousand person crowd for a late night concert around one twenty a m thirty three year old Richard Jewel events security guard spotted in unattended green backpack underneath a park bench. Suspicious jewel informed the nearby agent with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Within minutes. They began ushering people away from the back then. The unthinkable happened. Welcome to sports criminals apart. Cast original this is the seventh episode in our March Madness. Special this month were counting down the top thirty one sports scandals from Nineteen Ninety to two thousand twenty. I'm corduroy and I'm Tim Johnson in today's episode. We're going back to nineteen ninety. Six and the Centennial Park bombing during the Atlanta Summer Olympics at around one am on July twenty seventh. The Atlanta police received an anonymous tip. That in thirty minutes. Ah Bomb would go off in centennial. Park roughly twenty minutes later a pipe bomb filled with nails exploded. Two people died as a result. Forty four year old Georgia Native Alice. Hawthorne was killed by shrapnel and forty year old Turkish cameraman Maala Open. Y'All suffered a fatal heart attack over one hundred more were injured when the smoke cleared in the days that followed the man that discovered the bomb. Richard Jewel was treated as a hero. Thanks TO HIS SHARP. I and quick action. He was able to prevent the explosion from taking more lives but three days after being hailed a savior jewel turned into the villain on July Thirtieth Kathy scruggs reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution claimed that the FBI was considering jewel a suspect. The report caused a media circus. The narrative suddenly changed in jewel was accused of planting the bomb himself so that he could be a hero. Jew was something of a loner who lived with his mother. He developed an obsession with becoming a member of law enforcement and was even arrested for impersonating cop. He bounced from one Security Guard. Gig To another and was fired. More than once for being over zealous on the job and to make matters even worse for jewel when the feds searched his house they discovered hollowed out grenades and a gun collection but in the month long investigation into jewel the FBI was unable to find any direct evidence that linked him to the bombing in October of nineteen ninety six. The Department of Justice announced that jewel was no longer a suspect as the FBI continued their hunt for the true terrorist. Three more bombings occurred in the year that followed an abortion clinic and lesbian bar near Atlanta. Retargeted as well as an abortion clinic in Birmingham Alabama similarities in the explosives linked them with Centennial Park and soon investigators had a suspect. Eric Robert Rudolph. Rudolph spent five years on the run. He was finally captured on. May Thirty first two thousand three in North Carolina while rifling through a two years later. He pleaded guilty to all four bombings. He justified the attacks. As anti abortion demonstrations Rudolph is currently spending the rest of his life in prison. Rudolph's two thousand five confession was a sigh of relief for Richard Jewel for nearly a decade. He had fought to clear his name. That was still damaged by the Media Circus. In the years that followed jewel sued various news outlets for liable. Nbc News Cnn. And The New York Post all settled with him out of court the Atlanta Journal Constitution fought. You'll for years in two thousand seven forty four year old. Richard Jewel died from medical issues relating to a recent diabetes. Diagnosis Has New York. Times Obituary. Aptly named him the hero of Atlanta attack. Thanks for listening to sports criminals March madness. We'll be back tomorrow with next year scandal. You can catch our other episodes of sports criminals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Everything is new, everything is magical

StoriesHere Podcast

29:10 min | 3 months ago

Everything is new, everything is magical

"To the stories here podcast so what happens is children anyway. Remind us of the the wonder and discovery of childhood. Everything is new. Everything is magical. Everything is possible because wayne parker from excited today to talk to jane turner. Who's the executive director of the children's museum of atlanta jane. Welcome to stories here. Thank you glad to be here. You have such an interesting museum and one of the things that stood out to me in reading about it is your concept of the power of play and the comment is that that i read is that. It's a scientific concept. It's not just play for its own self there. Lots of other reasons to focus on play in to promote it. Could you talk about that a bit sure. A lot of times people view plays that thing that you let kids do when all the important parts of the day are finished and in fact for children and really for any human being. Clay is so important and in those early years. It's that physical trial and error rough and tumble play pushing the edges of the envelope. If you will that are actually connected to brain development. It is how children connect dot and figure out their world. When you think about even a baby. The first thing they do is they put everything around them. Into their mouths they are exploring. And that is a part of what creates real brain development and Ha moments and full understanding of themselves and their world so it is. It is not the nice to do thing. All the other important things are finished. You could make a case that it is the first thing that should happen every day in so you bring that out in some interesting ways especially during this point in time. What tell me about head in the clouds goofy guy did i say that right and superhero forensics. Yes so since we when we had to close the museum for the co vid restrictions. We really beefed up a something that we were starting to do anyway which was to turn all of our field trip programs and workshops in two experiences that were available. Virtually so this head in the clouds program. We were doing that in person but we now also do it virtually so i'll just talk about head in the clouds because what we do is we take concept's that children are learning in school and we turn them into incredibly fun. And engaging hands on experiences head mcleod's really explores the weather the formation of clouds and evaporation and condensation and all terms that allow enable kids to learn about the weather which is of course something we all experience it every day and it involves really fantastical experiences that use dry ice to create sudden clouds in the room. Which of course kids delight in but also make their own clouds in a cup and they make their own rain and they really engage in again. That hands on experience that takes terminology. That is just kind of dry. Condensation is evaporation is and turns it into something enormously fun and by engaging in these things and a hands on way with their imaginations and with materials they really end up with a really interesting and solid concept of what those terms are. What the weather is. They'll go outside and see clouds and see them differently. So that is one example and everything we do is like that. That's you can take that and turn it into it translates to all of our programs and there's always vocabulary associated with it. We lift up in vocabulary literacy vocabulary. All those things are foundational for a child to be able to move forward in school in life to express themselves to understand what's going on around them and then even to invent beyond that so again it's playful. It's fun but at the same time it's exploring some pretty serious concept and this is wayne park with the stories here podcast. I'm talking to jane. Turner who is the executive director of the children's museum of atlanta jane. I know that the museum has all kinds of things. You've got a full-sized tractor and you've got a forklift and you've got a kitchen. Is there an area of focus either in the museum itself for when you do the virtual programs that you tend toward you just referred to some things that are its nature and it's sciences there are are there other areas that that you think about as a particular direction or are you working in all of those honestly wayne we are. We like to say we're about the child and we're about the full development of the child. And so when you come here yes you will. You will visit our farm and you will climb onto a real tractor and you will harvest fruits and vegetables. You can work in the diner and Sling hash shen make french fries. And pretend of course all the experiences that children will have. There's a science bar where we had a vision where you could just pull up to the bar and order a science experiment. Everything is fun. Engaging and we're really focused on the topics the subject matter that children are needing to learn about which in essence. I hate to say. This is everything. It's of classes and workshops. We have building experiences. We have a maker space and cooking classes art studio. You name it honestly and we are doing it. there's performances we bring wonderful performers from our community whether they are singers dancers storytellers. They over the course of the year they will be here and it just creates a vibrant experience and so no matter what day you come no matter how old your children are. There is something new and different going on. And so it's physical. It's climbing in the climber to the very top of the high high ceiling. That's here it's. It's really everything that we do and again all of it comes back to the child and the the fact that children need to have these multi dimensional experiences that are full of sound and shapes and physical experiences engaging with others that they might not see in their normal regular lives. So that's really it's about child development in its fullest way. The picture that you paint there is you know it's fun. I can picture the kids having those experiences there. And i was thinking about you talked about with the focus on the child and my first thought you know is about well. What do we what we as adults bring. What is a museum bring to the children. And then the question is really. Oh well. what do the children bring to us. And the thing that came to mind was last weekend was walking on a trail in a little girl. Was there with her family and she was skipping along and as she passed me she said high in the most unselfconsciously way that you could imagine and i thought you know that's really something that it said if we lose any of that and so what. What are your thoughts about that. Do you see that in the kids. That are at the museum that you feel like you. You were uplifted by them. And we see it in the parents and the adult caregivers that come with the children. Obviously seven year old does not drive themselves here so their parents and adults with the children so what happens is children anyway. Remind us of the the wonder and discovery of childhood where everything is new. Everything is magical. Everything is possible and that is a really important thing for parents to be reminded of and to see in their own children and the other thing is we have very diverse audience. Atlanta is a very diverse city. And we make sure that all of the cultures and groups that make up atlanta find their way to the children's museum and so what happens is not only the children who are as you say completely. They're not self conscious about this. Everything is great but it's wonderful for parents to see a performance by a group that they might not encounter in their daily life and be introduced to the the wonderful richness of other cultures to talk to parents who are not necessarily in their circle in there again daily life and it becomes this wonderful way for people to just see each other as people and to see the strengths and wonderful possibilities in each other so we see that a lot and we see parents playing with their children. It's rich for everyone. And so are their comments that you've heard from kids or parents in any in any context who you said. Wow that's really that's really what we're here for. Here's story just you made me think of this two things. When we did a renovation of the children's museum that we reopened in january two thousand sixteen after a total renovation and because it was a total renovation. We had to be closed for about five months. The day we opened there was a mom and her little girl walking towards the giant gallery area and the little girl had her hands over her eyes. She was excited. I think she was a little scared to see what had happened to her children's museum because children think of it as theirs and the mom is guiding her towards the museum. She lifted her hands from her is screamed at the top of her lungs and just literally ran headlong into the museum to me. That scream that moment of utter excitement and delight that at all More than sentences or anything that children this is their place and they know it and then the other thing is. We had an exhibit here that we created called outside the box. And you know the the old you give a child a birthday gift. They opened the package. They pull out the gift and then they spent time playing with the box. Well we went with that and we filled gallery with a million different sizes and shapes of boxes literally from teeny tiny. Refrigerators size boxes. They were everywhere we would see parents and kids walk up to the gallery. Look in overheard one parent go I'm not sure what what is this. What what is this and the child goes. Oh i know exactly what to do and again what we then saw unfold. Every day was parents and kids building creating building castles building. Cars invented machinery. Just everything you could think of and those were just too great experiences and and that as much as anything was. That's why we're here. We're here for kids to discover to invent to create for parents to understand that. There's no right or wrong way to do anything at this museum and let it machinations run while i was smiling so much when you were telling that story about the little go running into the museum get chills a little bit thinking about that and seeing her expression and the excitement. I'm also you said something that i may start my day with from now and you said everything is new. Everything's magical. i may just print that up. And and have that. So i see that every morning because it will remind me of experience that i'm envisioning that these kids are are having their and also that the tile said i know exactly what to do. Yeah there was no question. This was not a problem for the child. No manual needed iraq. That's right so what are some of this. We're talking about all the wonderful things that children and their families are experiencing there. There must be some unique challenges to running a children's museum are there some that are different. Maybe than another museum. Well first of all say everything. I just described is about children running in picking up tearing apart putting it back together. Moving it around the museum and in fact at our museum we don't even have you know we have. We call galleries. They're learning zones. But it is a wide open space so if a child is has their little shopping cart and they are putting pretend fruits and vegetables in it. They can then take that cart across museum into a completely different area and that is intentional. Because we don't want to prescribe how a child plays. We don't want to say well. The fruits and vegetables have to be in the fruit and vegetable ban. No they've got other ideas they're gonna take the sand table and they're going to do something incredible with it. That's something that's coming out of their own imagination. So the challenge is everything everywhere things. It's all hands on and so our incredible staff are full steam ahead pulling things back together on a constant basis during the day and it is one heck of a workout but it is well worth it so i would say. That's probably the challenge that you would have at a children's museum over a different kind of museum where you're observing fine art or something of that nature. I don't see it a fine art museum. I don't see adults running around you know like and you wouldn't want to. I mean that's not where that happens but know. The nature of the children's museum is that it is hands on and that means hands on it means climbing. It means just everything and of course. That's that's the magic at the same time. It's not noisy as oh very quiet. We insist on complete quiet library. No in fact if it is quiet here we get worried like what's wrong. It's never quiet here. It's quite when we're closed the minute. The doors open. We know that the doors are open and in fact even before the children come in we have a you mentioned are cow. We have a cow. It moves throughout the day. So if we're having a board meeting before hours even before time when the museum opens sometimes in the middle of a report will hear through all kinds of sounds that emanate from the floor even when it is empty. But it's a pretty rollicking place you talk about how you've taken some of these real world experiences that you have in the museum and you've taken them online. What have you learned about that it. I mean is it in some ways of a blessing that you've done this. She thinks it has been wonderful that we've been able to do this. Thank heavens that the technology exists that allows us to engage with each other when we can't be in the same room and we go back to the first part of our discussion. Which is that children. Learn learn through hands on engagement and that's not only with objects but with other people and that is so critical to their emotional development or social development their sense of given take that's just so critical so we immediately again turned our programs that we normally do in person into a format that was available through digital platform like zoom and it has been remarkably successful for example the one and we just talked about head in the clouds. What we do is. We'll have a classroom of kids and they maybe either in a classroom if that's happening. Or they may be calling in from their homes as part of the classroom experience but every one of them will have received a physical kit so the experience the virtual experience they have all the materials they need to build that cloud in a cup and do all those things and not only that they with each other. My favorite sound during the week when those workshops are happening is to pass by the little studio where our educator is engaging with the kids and if you didn't know you would think there was a a group of kids in the room because you can hear them all laughing and talking. We have one program that we send out marshmallows in toothpicks for a building project and we learned very quickly that kids ate marshmallows before we even got to the Building part so we sent out after that two sets of marshmallows the eating marshmallows and the building marshmallows. So it's again. We've made the experiences engaging as much as we possibly can so the technology has been an absolute gift and we will continue that we will continue providing that even when everything is back to normal and we will continue offering these programs virtually because it just works senate's it makes it possible for groups to experience what we have to offer even if they can't make it here physically the museum and all of us who out all sectors of society have been forced to take advantage of the pandemic and the tech. The technology that is you said happens to wonderfully be available to us at this point in time if you project out twenty or thirty years you have any thoughts about what a museum might look like at that point in time. Well you know. I think that the technology is not going anywhere. And it's going to increase in sophistication. And really i do see it though. Always particularly for children's museums and really any museum as augmenting an experience. It is so important that children and people be able to experience something really in person that touch and smell and sounds and other people around you and even the drive down every single aspect of the journey. that is the children's museum. Experience is really important and irreplaceable. By just purely technology maybe in thirty years you know. Maybe i can't envision what that might look like. Maybe it won't. But i human beings are the same and the development of the brain and the development of people doesn't change so again you know it'd be like saying well instead of eating food we can just take a pill and that'll be fine and sure we might exist in survive. But oh my gosh. I can't wait to go to my favorite restaurant and eat an amazing meal and be with people and clink glasses and laugh and be together and enjoy the food so it really is about the fullness and richness of an experience that is in person and i would say that's true at an art museum. I want to look at a picasso in real life and then have other experiences. Virtually that might augment. What i have seen. So that's my thought on that no is thinking as you were talking about that on the things that you've said that this boy that sounds like something you were just born to do so but i'll ask you this question than if you had at the time when you were a kid if i had said to. You describe what you were going to be doing now. And on a scale of one to ten with ten being the most surprised what would you be on that scale as a kid terms of thinking ahead of you being in this position. Enjoying what you're doing now. I'm gonna say about you know at least nine. I didn't even as a young adult think of working in the position. I'm in right now. My career started out in the world of technology. So my journey here was one where i started volunteering for a theater company in atlanta and really started understanding and feeling personally that the arts and the richness of the arts with something that became extremely important to me especially as i saw the impact on people who experienced it what it meant to the community and the richness that it brought to the community and so i found my way to this position and this museum in some ways in a roundabout way but it really spoke to my passion that evolved The way you know your passions evolve over your course of your life so at this point. I can't imagine that. I wouldn't be here but if you'd asked me as a child and would not have called this out specifically well. It's interesting that you talk about getting to that position so you had a background in technology so you were perhaps better prepared for the move to a virtual world. I really was prepared because the people around me were so well versed in this honestly personally. But i think we. We've all evolved very quickly whether you've been in technology or not Since march of last of this past year. I think we've all learned an immense amount. About what technology can make possible so really. It's been a team effort To to really embrace this this is wayne park with the stories here. Podcast talking today to jane turner who's executive director. The children's museum of atlanta also wanted to say thanks to julia clinch of bray public relations for helping to put us together. And certainly a big thank you and a shoutout to all of your staff and the volunteers and the people that have made the museum possible and you can learn more about museum at children's museum atlanta dot org any thing else about Your schedule at this point in time. And how do people people should go there to learn more about the schedule and and and visiting the museum. Visiting our website is the easiest way to see. What we're doing we are open. We opened in july. And in relation with children's healthcare of atlanta here and other health oriented organizations determined how to reopen with absolute health considerations top of mind and so we are open with fewer people in the museum at any one time but going to our website. You'll be able to learn exactly how you can either experienced a museum in person or sign into any of our webcasts or anything that we're making available. You mentioned the people sponsors and other people that have supported the museum. You have one of the best ways of acknowledging that in a museum that i have ever seen. Which is the name on a gear wheel. Yes when we did the renovation. Obviously there was a capital campaign that made that renovation possible and we wanted to acknowledge those foundations corporations and individuals who really made that possible and again we tried to think of what is the most fun and magical way to acknowledge those amazing donors and supporters of our work and so we ended up with that big gear wall. Which is people love well. And it's great because you get the sense of a small gear can sometimes have a big impact as we know that small gears and the big gears they have different kinds of leverage. But if you turn one you can really affect something much further away in the system. So i love that concept that that you you convey there in in your time as being an again. I'm speaking with jane tar. Who's executive director of the children's museum of atlanta jane in your time there. Have you changed. Yes i have really changed. When i started out the museum itself was fairly new. It only been in this location for about a year. And we were finding our way Not only have i evolved. This whole organization has evolved. And i really give credit to We have an amazing board. We've always had an amazing board. We have a group of advisers from our community and our staff members are team members are really the best people It's very much We're all in this together. Everyone is focused on the mission and truly we work hard to do everything better. If we've done something well we think of. How can we do it better. No one's resting on their laurels and in that regard I've i've become more resilient and really able to work through a lot of things that have been sometimes very hard. we've had recessions. We now pandemic and other challenges but that sense of optimism and really focus on our mission has been just instrumental and the museum is located in a really interesting place to. Do you wanna talk about how people would find you have when when they're in atlanta sure We are right on centennial olympic park which is in downtown atlanta and it has grown from just being a little park to being surrounded by Some of atlanta's most treasured Arts and culture organizations that georgia aquarium the college football hall of fame world of coq. The children's museum of atlanta centennial olympic park itself is the site for concerts and wonderful experiences throughout the year. So once you're down town you've got access to the children's museum and other wonderful or the national center for civil and human rights is across the street so there is so much down here that is Just if you're a family no matter how old you are. How many people in your family. There's really a lot to engage you in this part of town so i've kind of run through the questions that i had in mind. What else should i ask you. What questions would you like me to ask you. You know in responding to the pandemic what the individual organizations have done you know transfer everything virtual which we talked about Reopen in this sort of segmented. Very careful way but one of the things that's happened. Both locally and nationally has been a coming together of different organizations. that's sort of well. This is unprecedented. And no one's been through this before and so it happened. Locally is that so many of the main arts and culture organizations ranging from the children's museum to the land of botanical gardens fern bank science museum aquarium and others. We've been meeting weekly virtually since march and we've discovered ways to work together that discovery. That all of us together bring such richness to the community part of the fabric of the community. And so we've really been helping each other. This is wayne parker with the stories. Your podcast and i'm speaking jane turner who's executive director of the children's museum of atlanta and thanks again to everyone who makes that place possible and a special. Thanks to julia. Clench brave public relations. Who's connected us. Thank you wayne really appreciate it enjoyed it and i think what you're doing just sounds fantastic. It's you know especially now people talk about food clothing shelter sustenance which is utterly without that. Obviously it doesn't matter. What else is around. But shortly after that as a different kind of nourishment that we all need. I think a lot of that sounded museums. So anyway thank you for what you're doing appreciate so much your time thank you.

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Episode 4-1 The Hunt for Rudolph

Five four two and the Blue

18:54 min | 8 months ago

Episode 4-1 The Hunt for Rudolph

"You have discovered season three of the five, four, two in the blue put cast on law enforcement history issues, investigations, and incidence in the Appalachian Mountains and beyond. Hosted by Scotland's foot retired police detective, sergeant, author, and researcher. Scott, we are according four, three, two one. Welcome back to five, four, two in the blue where we discuss. Incidence of law enforcement court cases in other issues that have happened in Western north, Carolina the Appalachian Mountains and beyond in other parts of the world. Thank you Victoria for starting out, opening us up in for handling the control board forest. Today shade of blue. We're going to talk about something or someone that I think really has been given more credit than what they're do in speaking to a lot of investigators. That worked the case in attempted to locate the individual and the perpetrator. The media seem to give the guy a lot more credit. Than what the investigators I talk to? And discuss the case with what they give him. or shade of blue for today, we're going to talk about Murphy North Carolina. Murphy is a small town. Not much too much going on as the county seat of Cherokee. County. North. Carolina. There were a couple of where road intersections at that location back in the eighteen hundreds. But for whatever reason those folded and kind of left Murphy a little bit on the isolated side. Murphy pretty much continued to be kind of what it is Stephen to still today. The small quiet town in the westernmost tip of the state in Carolina. Not much too much happens exciting there. except. Going back to two, thousand and three. May thirty first as a matter of fact, two, thousand and three. and. This was the ending of a five year man hunt and the capture of one of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's ten most wanted criminals right there in the little small town of Murphy. North. Carolina. Officer Jeff, postal was making his rounds through Murphy and he drove into the parking lot of the save a lot grocery store and went by and check the windows and the doors very common in small towns and it used to be. Common in most. police jurisdictions that if you were working midnights, it was your responsibility to be checking your businesses looking for strange people. Trying to prevent break INS and were catch individuals in the AC. You just didn't go sit somewhere. If you did in your place got broken into that you were responsible for in your area. You could end up facing the wrath of your supervisor wanting to know why this place got broken into. And when I was a patrol officer in the late eighties, it was not uncommon to have to write statements for your supervisor of where you were what you were doing when the. Store in your beak broken into. As, a postal was looking around. He checked front door everything. Look good. To go round and check the rear of the property. As he came around the corner, he caught a thin white male behind the store up next to the dumpsters and he was holding something in his hand. And turn quickly from the officers he pulled in. The man was dressed in a camouflage jacket and work boots. Officer was not exactly sure what he had in his hand so. As he pulled up officer postal. got, out of his vehicle identified himself. and. Ordered the person. To drop what he had in his hand. In thinking he had a burglary or a breaking and entering in progress. Getting Ready to pull his weapon if needed to. He would demand again to drop what he had. luckily, for that gentleman, he complied taking him into custody and not knowing exactly sure if there was anybody else. Off the officer, did what he should do he called for backup commenced his investigation into who this guy was way was doing there. Were there more people there? was there a break in going on? The Guy was compliant. They ended up taking him up the police station. The man stated he was from Ohio he was homeless and they didn't have a gun. He had a flashlight now is pretty much it. He seemed very willing to tell his story. He was questioned about the story and it just didn't quite sound right to the officers that were talking to him. He was seemed to be almost too complacent and too willing to tell them what they wanted to know. In a lot of his answers didn't quite match up with what the officers new. Finally, one of the officers that was working that night kept thinking to himself. You know I know this guy from somewhere he looked so familiar well, he went back and started checking around in the wanted poster file. ended up surprising himself when he realized that the man in the office, the inner being interviewed was. In fact, on one of the FBI posters, it was the bit bomber. Eric Rudolph. Man in custody was a little slimmer a little worse for wear but they were positive. WHO's him? and. Fingerprints confirmed with the officers were suspecting finally when confronted with True Identity Rudolph admitted yes. That's me. You got me the. Officer, in a small town police force had just captured. One of the most wanted men in the nation according to the FBI's list. Eric Rudolph. Had spent his formative early teenage years in North Carolina. Dropped out of school in the ninth grade in the ended up in the army. He was trained to. Fort. Benning served at Fort Campbell in Kentucky. In left the army with A. General discharge in nineteen. Eighty nine. After, getting out of the military fell in with the Christian identity movement kind of racist anti-semitic group that preaches white supremacy. From being religious they preach a lot of hate. May became obsessed with their ideology. Especially, with the homosexual activity that was to him seem to be making a negative impact on society causing acceptance of sin by the common people especially bothered also by the abortion of unborn children he soon turned his attention defining what he thought were the perpetrators these moral sins. It began to consider protesting in front of abortion. Clinics. Yelling at people from the sidewalk yet gay bars and nightclubs just wasn't cutting it for him. So he decided to take a more violent odd. To abortion and homosexual activity felt it was a moral duty so he put those beliefs into practice. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six. Atlanta was hosting the Summer Olympic Games and there was energy and excitement everywhere throughout the city we ended up getting here in. Asheville. Quite a bit of that Indirectly of course, because it seemed that the. POWERS THAT BE IN ATLANTA. Were taking a lot of their homeless population and what individuals that were mentally challenged, and they were literally putting them on a bus and bussing them to Asheville we as the police department ended up having to deal quite often with that in for quite a while we the being amazed by the number of. The number of Atlanta people we were dealing with suddenly. On July, twenty seven. Atlanta Police Department received a call saying that there was a bomb planted in Centennial Olympic Park. Now at that part, just minutes before the police received this call security officer Richard. Jewel. Found a bag with three pipe bomb senate. And he alerted the police again. And Begin to move people out of the area when the bomb went off, it killed one person and wounded over one hundred others. Another man ended up dying of a heart attack while running from the scene. Joe was initially lauded as a hero. And he was, but he quickly became a prime suspect of the FBI. And in the Court of public opinion based on what the F. B. I. said and that was really when the term person of interest started hitting the news and the airways. And the news media began referring to him as that. He was eventually cleared, but not before his name was permanently ruined although he was able to. Eventually, turn his life around. Well, really wasn't the turnaround. He was able to reestablish his life. He did get a law enforcement job and became a very dedicated law enforcement officer in Georgia. He passed away a couple of years ago I believe. Now, you might consider Richard Jewel is being one of the first victims of. Rudolph in his. Crime. Now, January nineteen ninety-seven, another bomb went off this in sandy springs outside Atlanta ad in abortion clinic. Month later the other side lounge and LANTA. Gay Nightclub was bombed and five people were injured. In January, nineteen ninety eight, another abortion clinic was bombed in Birmingham Alabama. This time Burlington Police Department officer officer Robert Stevenson who was working off duty at security there. was killed in a nurse was critically injured. After the Birmingham bombing. We'd was identified by two men who saw him and noted his license plate number. He was soon linked to other bombings and. Was Long before he had his name on the FBI's ten most wanted list. Now, I was working at like I said at that time period in Asheville. One of the clinics that Rudolph bombed was in Asheville. He put a Satchel type bomb in the parking lot. And it was discovered by Sergeant Randy. Riddle. Fortunately for the sergeant. It was the bomb didn't go off. This was about the same time as we were dealing with the group called the lambs of Christ. We were having to. Physically remove them from. Property, where they were trespassing protesting the the clinic had to pick them up. From, the ground where they were laying, put them on a stretcher and carried them off. It was quite an interesting situation and that was one of the reasons sergeant riddle was there after hours he was working security. They're just the same way that Robert Stevenson, officer, Stevenson, and Ham police department was but fortunately. Like. I said SARGE riddle. Survived the encounter. Was Long after that Rudolph seem to basically just disappear off the face of the earth. He was suspected. Once he was identified by the Birmingham Police Department do their investigation. And traced to North Carolina where he was interviewed a couple of times by the FBI. And the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. The FBI developed enough to place him under arrest. And when the FBI arrived. Apparently. Rudolph had. buggered off so to speak. and. Couldn't be found. Local authorities and the state. Bureau Vesta Gatien felt that he was still in the Cherokee County area. the force in the area and the national parks nearby were searched, but they all came up pretty much empty handed. Later after his arrest Rudolph said that he had gone into the wild and. when he began feeling the pressure from law enforcement. After, the Birmingham. Alabama bombing he claimed he lived off the land for the most part collecting berries and eating lizards at times. I highly doubt. This was the case. From what my friends with the State Bureau of Investigation, told me later. It appears that he had helped in the area people would leave out food for him. A wasn't till after one of his benefactors had actually passed away. That he ended up being caught dumpster diving because he had no other choice to supplement his. Diet except by doing that. Rudolf claimed he was a true survivalist in this was backed up by the Federal Bureau investigations probably so they could explain why it took so long to capture. The was said to depend on his skills and a great deal of luck. Think he had a heck of a lot more luck than anything else? But on that day in May. Lady luck run out on him and lady. Justice stepped up to the plate. Rudolph was eventually able to strike a deal with the government to save his life. By telling them the location of two hundred and fifty pounds of dynamite that he had buried. In the county there for later bombings. Now he is confined and he is locked up at this time. And we'll be for the rest of his life in federal prison is written many letters and published some documents and even had his memoirs published from prison. And there's been several legal battles over should he be? Making money off of his. Activities he did while he was. Killing, people. And the courts have pretty much said that. No he should not so. The court has ordered that any money made from the sale of his memoirs be paid to victims as restitution, but little can be done to. Really help the grief of those that. Families of those he actually ended up killing. Nothing can be done to restore those lives in although Eric Rudolph the Olympic Park bomber. The survivalists that alluded the Federal Bureau of Investigation only to be caught by a small town police officer doing his duty doing his job correctly. Eric will spend the rest of his life in prison. Hope you enjoyed this episode five, four, two in the blue. Member to come back next week for another episode and we will have something for you at that time. Next Saturday at seven o'clock. Just. Like always if you want to go in. If, you'd like to find out more information on this podcast and some of my books you can go to my website, Scott Lunceford author Dot Com war the website for this podcast five, four, two, and the Blue Dot com spelled out dislike it sounds. and. You can also contact me through those two web pages. Be Happy to hear from you. I've been receiving some really interesting information and. Two way communications from some people from various parts of the world, and it's all been very enlightening. Very interesting. So, in the meantime until next week be safe and be secure and if you get the opportunity. To do something nice for somebody it'll make you feel good and guaranteed to make somebody else feel good too, and that's what life's all about. So, in the meantime, Victoria, close us out and you've got the helm again and we will talk to you guys later. Five. You. have been listening to the five, four two and the blue podcast discussions of law enforcement history issues and incidents in the Appalachian. Mountains and beyond. Hosted by Scott Lunceford. For more information on this podcast. Please go to. Five four two and the Blue Dot Com. or discuss other web page. Scotland's for Dorothy DOT COM. There you will find links to the podcast and be able to subscribe for updates. And notices of any and all new podcast as they go online. Information on Scott's books. How to order them and how to contact Scott can be found online there. This is Victoria for five, four, two in the blue. 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Why Is Tear Gas Especially Dangerous During COVID-19?

BrainStuff

08:02 min | 1 year ago

Why Is Tear Gas Especially Dangerous During COVID-19?

"Today's episode is brought to you by capital. One capital one knows life doesn't alert you about your credit card. That's why they created no the capital, one assistant that looks out for surprise credit card charges like duplicate charges or potential fraud, then sends an alert to your phone help. If you need to fix them another way, capital one is watching out for your money when you're not capital one. What's in your Wallet See Capital One dot Com for details. Welcome to brain stuff production of iheartradio. Hey brain stuff, lauren vocal bomb here. Over the past two weeks, enormous crowds of protesters in the United States have met with in some cases ominous clouds of tear gas. But the use of tear gas to disperse protesters and cities in the United States and around the world could have unintended consequences when it comes to the spread of the corona. Virus. The large crowds that have gathered to demonstrate for racial justice, and against police brutality in the weeks after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis in late May were already worrisome to public health officials, although many demonstrators have worn masks, many crowds have grown much too large to maintain social distancing guidelines. Also, the protests have typically involved crowds of people shouting and chanting activities that could potentially send infected droplets far and wide, and that involved the kind of deep open mouth breathing that has been observed to increase the risk of catching the virus. We spoke with Amber Schnittke PhD. An Assistant Professor Microbiology, and the Department of Biomedical Sciences at Mercer University School of Medicine in Macon Georgia. She explained tear. Gas Components are mainly there to hit the pain receptors in your body to get to move. It's like you're poked with a stick. You want to get away from the pain. The other thing tear-gas does is trigger your para sympathetic response, a neurologic series of activities that are outside of your control, but because there's a chemical irritant in place, your body is going to do everything it can to flush it out. A person will feel the symptoms of the chemicals most commonly used tear-gas CS CNN CR within twenty to thirty seconds after being exposed. Schnittke said it's going to increase mucus production along the sites where you've had exposure, and that's mainly your respiratory mucosal linings in your nose. That means you'll have a runny nose. You're going to have mucus production in the lungs along the trachea your windpipe. You're going to want to cough that out. You're also going to want to salivate more than you ordinarily would. You're going to produce more tears. How much person's affected depends on many variables such as whether there's a breeze or how close they are to the agent. A person's is will sting. They may sneeze or wretch. Sh- Mickey said, but the most dangerous thing is the coughing. That will happen in response to tear gas. It's a deep cough because you're trying so hard to get this out of your body, and it has the potential to spread viral particles rather far it's your body's natural response to get rid of a chemical irritant, but it's the same mechanism that we're concerned about with virus spread. It's the perfect storm of things you don't want to happen in a pandemic. And of course, she's not the only concerned party during June fourth. Twenty Twenty House Appropriations hearing on the Coronavirus Response Centers for Disease Control Director Dr Robert Redfield also specifically called out that the use of tear gas by police might help the virus spread. We also spoke with Forest Brown, a resident of Atlanta who lives downtown, just two blocks from the CNN building and Centennial Olympic Park the entire has been the site of many, Atlanta, protests, past and present the first weekend of the current demonstrations, he stood outside his building with neighbors with an eye on protecting their property when he got a whiff of a pungent odor teargas. Brown said we could smell it, and it stung our eyes. We would go inside waited out, but it wasn't a strong hit. You could feel it, but then it dissipated. Saturday may thirtieth Sunday. Night was a different story. Brown said is actually in the interior courtyard of our building. I didn't see the cloud, but it was a bad dose. Compared to Saturday night, my symptoms were much worse, stinging and watering is it also made my lips feel like they were tingling burning I felt like I wanted to throw up. It made me feel very weak almost jittery like I might pass out. Brown says the worst of it was over in about thirty minutes though he felt nauseated for several hours, and even had blurred vision on Monday. Though he was wearing a mask following standard protocols and a full block away from where the tear gas was actually released, he was exposed to it. Schmidt key is concerned with the use of tear-gas demonstrations during the pandemic, not only because it potentially increases the spread of the corona virus, but also because the same people who are at risk for Covid, nineteen infection, people with underlying conditions are also at risk for side effects from tear gas exposure. Schmidt, said Covid, nineteen sort of blurs the lines between being a respiratory disease and cardiovascular disease. The similarities aren't uniform, but if you have asthma, you're going to be at higher risk of complications from something like tear gas exposure, people who have chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, or any of those sorts of ailments could have more severe outcomes. She concedes that it's a difficult situation because a person can make plans to participate in a peaceful protest and find themselves in situation that they aren't prepared for. She encourages all protesters whether they were exposed, tear gas or not to make plans to be tested for covid nineteen. However? Don't get tested immediately. When the virus gets into the body, it goes into what's called the eclipse period hiding out in the cells while it makes copies of itself, then it starts to leave the cells and spread to other cells, and that's when it becomes detectable. Sh- Mickey suggests that everyone has been at a protest rally. Get tested between three and seven days after participating, even if they're not showing symptoms because of the high rate of domestic carriers. CDC Director Redfield issued the same advice at the June fourth Senate. Appropriations hearing saying I do think there is a potential unfortunately for this to be exceeding event. Sh- Mickey said protesters do have some things going for them. They're outside. They have the benefit of ventilation. They have sunlight UV. Light is advantageous for the virus. Protesters are typically young, but I wouldn't count on those things being some sort of anti covid security blanket. If, you come into contact with tear-gas Amnesty. International says the gas masks are the best protection if they're properly fitted in sealed, though if you don't have one, they recommend wearing goggles and a respirator or a weapon Danna over the nose and mouth. If you're exposed, try to stay calm and breathe slowly. Blow your nose. Rinse your mouth with water, cough and spit trying not to swallow because he want to get those irritants out. Stays episode was written by Paddy, rest Newson and produced by tyler, playing or more in this amounts of other topics. visit how stuff works dot com brain. Stuff is production of iheartradio for more podcast. My heart radio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. This is DJ lad. I want you to check out the VLAD TV podcast launching on June seventeenth since two thousand eight Vlad. TV has been the leader in a hard hitting no-holds-barred interviews with the world's biggest rappers singers. Hollywood stars professional athletes and former big time criminals, and now you can catch all of our full link interviews available as audio podcasts, so listen to the Vlad TV podcast on iheartradio APP apple podcasts, spotify or wherever you get your podcast.

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With Tulsa in the Spotlight, City Reckons With Its Past

WSJ What's News

09:59 min | 11 months ago

With Tulsa in the Spotlight, City Reckons With Its Past

"I'm Jack. How hosted the new Barron Streetwise podcast? I'm business and investing each week we hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Iger about the future of movies and theme parks. CVs Is Larry Merlo about stores providing more health services and Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business subscribe to Baron streetwise on Apple, podcasts, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Tulsa Oklahoma is in the spotlight as the city reckons with it's fraught. Racial history were seeing an effort now to rebuild black. Wall Street's to support black businesses coming back into that area plus celebrations marked June teeth, commemorating the end of slavery in the United States. It's Friday June nineteenth. I'm Anne Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal. Here's what's news. Apple says it's reclosing nearly a dozen stores in states where corona virus cases arising including north and South Carolina Arizona and Florida. Apple was among the first major us. Retailers to close stores during the pandemic this week. Texas Arizona and North Carolina all reported record daily. Virus Related Hospitalizations and Florida. Today reported its highest number of confirmed cases in a single day. The CEO of European online payments company Wire Card Marcus. Braun has resigned amid an accounting scandal today bank said the company falsified letters, saying they were holding more than two billion dollars wire cards behalf the bank say they don't have the money and never did our card. Shares are down seventy five percent in the past two days. And in a reversal the US, Navy says it will not reinstate Brent Crozier, the former captain of the US Theodore Roosevelt. Crozier was relieved of command in April after writing and distributing a memo pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak on his ship, a Navy investigation released today, found crozier quote didn't meet the standards of command as the virus spread, and failed to consult with the full chain of command when asking for help. Coming up after the break nearly a century after the Tulsa race massacre, the city is still reckoning with its past. When the world is at a standstill fax can move us forward fact, help us make decisions and bring us together. Even as we're apart the Wall Street Journal has the facts in these uncertain times get the latest on the corona virus outbreak with free coverage of the crisis and its impact on the economy, politics, culture and daily life. Find the clarity you need with America's most trusted new source visit wsj.com and stay informed. Across the nation today events are being held to protest racial injustice and mark. The June eighteenth holiday. New York musicians performed at the Brooklyn public. Library and crowds of people gathered in Washington Square Park to call for criminal justice reform. In Atlanta thousands of people gathered for festival. The city's Centennial Olympic Park reach capacity before noon. With hundreds, more people lined up outside and in Tulsa. Oklahoma appeals are preparing for an influx of as many as one hundred thousand protesters ahead of President Trump's campaign rally there tomorrow. The city like many across the nation has a fraud racial history. Nearly a hundred years ago, it was the site of a race massacre, the details of which remained buried for decades. Our reporter Beth fandel joins me now with more on what happened and how the city is still reckoning with it today. Elizabeth Greenwood which is just north of pulses, downtown was once known as Black Wall Street and it was a thriving black business district. Prior to nineteen twenty one. You spoke to historians, and before we get to the horror of what happened that year. Tell us what Greenwood was like. Right. It was after World War One it was known nationally as an area of thriving black businesses. And really rising black affluence, and you had a number of very successful businesses there, but then there was an incident in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, one where a young black man was accused of. Assaulting a white girl or something, it's not entirely clear. There are a lot of different stories about what actually happened. But essentially that sparked a confrontation down at the courthouse between some of the local men who were supporting at least his right to a trial, and some of the white folks. And in response mobs went and just destroyed. The neighborhood burned down all thirty five blocks and killed. Historians now believe about three hundred people. Elizabeth, this was a history that remained hidden for a long time, even for people who live in the area. How did that happen? Yeah, it's true. It just wasn't talked about even people who were born and raised in Tulsa had no idea this had happened and the project director for this new commission that's working on the history said that the black community didn't WanNa talk about it because it had been so awful and they were afraid that it could happen again and you know in the white community. It was just such a black. Black eye and you know such an ugly thing that had happened in the city that they didn't want to acknowledge it, so it wasn't until about the nineties and early two thousands that there was a push to find out what had really happened when it was referred to at all, it was called a riot, which was disingenuous, but prevented insurance companies from having to pay for any of the destroyed buildings. So then in the nineties in the two thousands, there was an effort to go back and go through all of the historical record from the time talk to people who were still living who remembered what had happened, and there was a report that was released on the history. We're talking about this win. The Nation as a whole is really facing a reckoning with its own fraught history on race relations. How're people living in Tulsa grappling with their fraught history right now? What is it like there today? You know I think there's been a much greater push to recognize and sort of make what happened in Greenwood a part of the fabric of the city, not just that a terrible thing happened there, but that there used to be great success there and we're seeing an effort now to rebuild Black Wall Street to support black businesses coming back into that area and. And Black businesses have rebuilt their once already for a time after the massacre, they actually many of them were able to sort of rebuild, but then various highway projects and things in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties again took away a lot of that land, so there's a new effort now to bring it back. Make it part of a historic recognition effort. Of course now Tulsa is also in the national spotlight president. Trump is holding a rally there tomorrow. There were some protests plan today. The rally was originally scheduled for today. How is the community in and around Tulsa feeling about the president coming there and all of the attention that the city is now receiving. Right I think there are mixed feelings. Obviously, there are both Republicans and Democrats who live in Tulsa. So a lot of supporters of the president, but I think there's been a lot of health concerns as has been reported, local officials are concerned about the virus spreading, and as far as the recognition of Greenwood. It has really shown a spotlight on the history particularly happening so close to June eighteenth, but I think the folks who are involved in the. Preservation and resurgence of grain would think that it's not a terrible thing to shine a spotlight on it and that they're getting some attention. Right, next year will mark one hundred years since the massacre in Greenwood. What did you hear from people about efforts to commemorate? What was I long not acknowledged. Yes there are a lot of things that are the work of this nineteen twenty one commission, which was formed by state lawmakers. And they have sort of rolling historical initiatives, but one of the big ones is that there is a new history center that's under construction that they are hoping to have finished by the June first anniversary next year. Wall Street Journal reporter. Fandel Elizabeth. Thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you I appreciate it. And that's what's news for this Friday afternoon. Our hosts are Mark Stewart and me and Marie for. The show was produced this week with help from Nora echoed Mark Garrison Qatari Yoga Amanda Llewellyn Sam Western and grisly. We'll be back on Monday morning. Thanks for listening.

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Justice for George Floyd

Generation Mental Health

15:53 min | 1 year ago

Justice for George Floyd

"Noah time it is. It's an ad big loop. So obviously, it's about anchor and if you ever heard it's free. Yes. It's Free F. R. E. E.. They have creation tools that allow you to court at your podcast right from your phone computer. Yeah. Let's do it. Anchor will distribute your podcasts so you can hear it on spotify apple in so many more platforms. And you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. Yeah. That's right. Me Doing this ad I don't have to have a minimum listenership. Yes. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. So go ahead and download that APP. I. Know You want to be a podcast with me maybe I'll put you on this podcast. and. Get. started. AT ANCHOR DOT FM. Hey, guys. Look back tonight episode of the girl behind the screen I'm Khloe, and I'm guessing the year you probably have listened to my first podcast ready and liked it somewhat I. Hope I was I'm views you're here. anyways to Muir serious topics this episode I WanNa talk about George Floyd the protests, the riots and more haze. Is Dedicated George Floyd and his family. Who Was George Floyd? Floyd was born in nineteen seventy, four inexperienced Childhood in Houston's third ward. One of the city's prevalent African American neighborhoods. Floyd rose's a star tight end for Jackie tie school. And played in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, two state championship game and Houston Amsterdam Donzel Cooper. One of Floyd's former cohorts said he remembered watching Floyd score touchdowns floyd over shouted everybody on the team George Floyd moved to Minneapolis from his local Houston hopes. Of looking for some kind of employment and starting another life. Floyd found in Minneapolis. Occupation working security at the Salvation Army. In downtown he later start working to employments one driving truck another as a bouncer at Congo Latin Bistro he lost his employment as monster at an eatery when Minnesota senator gave a stay at home request do the coronavirus crisis tw. One of Georgia's cherished companions Christopher Harris said he and a portion of their common friends had moved to Minneapolis looking for jobs around two thousand fourteen Harris said he convinced floyd to move there to after he escaped jail at the time of his death floyd was the father of a six year old daughter who lived in Houston with her mom Roxie Washington before he passed away after being stuck for a considerable length of time underneath a minneapolis. COPS knee. George Floyd was enduring the same problem as a huge number of Americans during. The coronavirus pandemic, he was jobless and searching for a new position on the unfortunate day of George, Floyd's death a representative at the Minneapolis supermarket called police after the Floyd supposedly attempted to pass a fake twenty dollar bill. And broadly circulated cell phone video of ensuing rest for can be seen on the ground with his hands handcuffed without resistance officer Derek. Savannah squeezes them to the floor of his knees. On Floyd's neck, the video shows van who is white. Holding Floyd down for quite a long time as floyd complains that he can't breathe the video closes with paramedics lifting. Olympe Floyd. Hinton Emergency Vehicle Mayor Jacob. Fray call for Chevron to be criminally charged with homicide police says. Police say floyd was opposing rest however Chopin's attorney has declined remark about the incident. What happened on May Twenty Fifth Twenty, twenty, a May twenty, fifth twenty, twenty, a routine police call was made for someone passing a fake twenty dollar bill. To Buy Groceries George. Winter. Cup Foods in Chicago APP SOUTH AROUND EIGHT PM FOR FOOD RUN Ron that time cops got a call from the store clerk that there was a forgery in process. A nonviolent offense surveillance footage from a nearby restaurant shows police arriving shortly after eight. PM. Approaching a black minivan were Florida's sitting with two other people? To officers walk up to the vehicle. It's passenger door already open and one shines a flashlight inside. Second Officer. Approaches. Floyd and tells him to get out of the vehicle prompting a brief struggle before floyd's exits the vehicle meanwhile, the passenger and woman sitting in the back seat are getting out of the minivan. Moments later floyd seeing handcuffed behind his back being led to the side of the building by the two cops. Floyd appears to be speaking to officers, which is not appear to be resisting. A second police vehicle arrives as floyd is escorted across the street to awaiting patrol car one surveillance video from across the street shows him stumbling falling as the two officers lead them to the waiting squad car body Cam video taken by responding Minneapolis Park Police officer shows to other officials. Interviewing witnesses near the scene, the video is heavily redacted and largely muted, but it appears the two individuals being questioned where the man and the woman who are in the van with Floyd. What happens next is still uncertain. But the next time to see on video is a viral clip shot by the bystander darnell frazier, which shows Floyd already pinned down by Minneapolis police, officer Derek, show van, a white cop seen pressing his knee into the back of floyd stack. While you lies face down in handcuffs savannah already been subject of ten prior conduct complaints over his nineteen years on the force, but he'd never faced discipline. Disciplinary. Action. In. The span of nearly four minutes floyd been heard telling please at least a dozen times he can't breathe an ashtray unshaven to take his knee office neck. As bystanders including the grocery store clerk who initially called diamond one pleaded with officers to get floyd up please I can't breathe. He said get up get in the car was. Heard, saying Floyd remains pinned down Bush van, I will I can't move response. He then stops moving altogether please called EMT's around eight thirty PM and they arrived in six minutes to find unconscious and unresponsive floyd according to Hennepin county healthcare EMS chief. Martier. Paramedics and police eventually floyd void over while he was still handcuffed and placed him on a Gurney. and. into an ambulance where responded released his hands. Their decision to load and go rather than triage floyd on the spot was likely based. On Their race against time. Sheer said. Adding that responders were likely unaware of how severe the situation had become despite medical officers reportedly spending an hour trying to receive revived. Floyd. He was pronounced dead at that local hospital at nine twenty, five pm police initially claimed that he had suffered a medical episode while struggling with officers but frazier's video soon, put the lie to that claim. They killed them right in front of cub foods over south on thirty eighth and Chicago the seventeen year old later said on facebook no type of sympathy. What's happening with protests and riots may twenty six protests in Minneapolis began and the police used tear gas to break them up by Tuesday the police chief. had fired all four men involved in the rest of Mr. Floyd he had also called the FBI investigation after the video show that the official police. Of the arrests have borne little resemblance of what actually occurred that night hundreds of protesters flooded into Minneapolis streets some demonstrators vandalized police vehicles with graffiti. And targeted the precinct house where the four officers have been assigned. Protests had occurred in the city. Over several days. Officers used tear gas and fired rubber bullets into crowds. Some businesses included including restaurants in an auto parts store were set on fire video shared on social media, social media, captured people taking items out of stores that had been damaged. May Twenty seventh protests erupted cities across the country demonstrators and other cities began organizing in memphis a protest over the deaths of George Floyd. Brianna Taylor. In. Louisville Kentucky. And Ahmad Armory in Berwick GE led the police to temporarily shut down a portion of the street. In Los Angeles, hundreds of protesters covered. Converge in The city's downtown area to March around the Civic Center. A group of demonstrators broke off from the march blocked the route one freeway. May Twenty Eighth National Guard is mobilized Minnesota Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota activated the National Guard on Thursday. The order came as a city asked for help after vandalism and fires broke out during demonstrations and as the Justice Department said a federal investigation into Mr Floyd's death was a top priority. Mr Walls later said that he had activated thousands of additional National Guard troops to send to. Minneapolis. But he had but had to climb the army's offer to deploy military police units. Let's be clear. Mister Wall said. The situation in Minneapolis is no longer in any way about the murder of George Floyd is about tacking. Civil society instilling fear in disrupting our great cities. May Twenty ninth former officers arrested and charged influenced death. The former Minneapolis police officer who pin Mr Floyd's neck to the ground with his name was arrested and charged with third degree murder. And second degree manslaughter the former officer Derek Chavanne forty four faces charges that carry combine maximum thirty, five, year sentence the defendant had his neon restor Floyd's neck for eight minutes and forty six seconds total a court documents said two minutes and fifty three seconds of this was after Mr Floyd was non responsive. May Twenty ninth continued President Trump's. Looting and shooting message raises tensions president trump delivered ultimate. ULTIMUM TO MINNEAPOLIS protesters on Friday and suggested that the military could use armed force to surprise riots on twitter. Mr Trump called the protesters dogs and said when looting starts the shooting starts also criticize the city's Democratic Democratic mayor. I can't stand back and watch this happen to a great American city Mr. Trump said a total lack of leadership either way. Either the very weak radical left Mayor Jacob Fray gets his act together and bring the city under control or I will send the National Guard and get the job done right protests in Atlanta and New York bring destruction and the night set followed more protests. More protests erupt across the country. On Friday hundreds of demonstrators poured into the streets near Orlando's. Centennial Olympic Park leaving behind smashed windows some climbed atop of large red CNN sign outside the media's company headquarters and spray painted messages on it. That night protesters also clashed with police across Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan leaving officers and demonstrators injured. Thousands marched and JEMMA, stations before splitting to smaller violent protests. Some people threw bottles and debris at officers. Who responded with pepper spray an arrest in Washington a crowd gathered outside the white. House prompting the secret service, the temporary locked down the building in Detroit a nineteen year old man was killed when somebody opened fired crowd on of demonstrators police. President trump moved to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks. May Thirtieth Mayor says peaceful protests have turned to domestic terrorism after four nights of chaos in Minneapolis. Mr Frei, called on people to stay home what started as largely peaceful protest for George Floyd had to outright looting and domestic terrorism in our region. He said on twitter he said people who broke the eight PM curfew would be helping those. whose crowds to pray on. Minneapolis. We are now confronting White Supremacists, members of organized crime out of state. Instigators and possibly even foreign actress to destroy and to stabilize our city in our region he said. May Thirty first protests, Ville City streets again, mayor extends curfews during the day at hundreds of thousands of people joined largely peaceful protest demonstrations throughout the country. But the city's reported hundreds of arrests as protesters clashed with police and some areas related. The National Guard was developed and more than two dozen states to assist overwhelmed police departments. And dozens of Myers extended curfews in Philadelphia huge peaceful demonstration outside the city's art museum contrasted with the scene in West Philadelphia or the police use pepper spray to repel lueders. In Atlanta two officers were fired for excessive use of force against to college students in re apples of two hundred protesters were arrested a man who drove Shankar truck toward a crowd was taken into police custody in California. There was a widespread reports of looting. Santa Monica. Long Beach, and Manhattan the owners of very. Many upscale stores found thieves had found their ways inside. At least six people were killed in violence connected to the protests. In many Indian apples person was killed and three others injured after shots were fired at demonstrators in saint. Louis. Earlier on Saturday, a man was killed after protesters blocked interstate forty four set fires and tried to loot a Fedex truck. In, Chicago six people were shot and one was killed Saturday night. Is that how we're bringing social justice how we seek change lightfoot said at the news conference on Sunday no, it certainly is not. The authorities were investigating the fatal shooting of a federal officer, a contract security guard for the Department of Homeland Security outside a federal courthouse in Oakland California on. Friday night. Can killing the Department of Homeland. Security. Acting deputy security called the shooting the act of domestic terrorism but the state's governor cautioned against connecting the shootings with the protests in Detroit a twenty one year old man was fatally shot as he sat in a car when protesters took the streets on Friday. And in Kentucky Governor Andy Bustier. Instructed the State Police to investigate the death of a who was a man shot and killed after shots broke out around midnight Sunday. When will the violent end? We'll the discrimination. We can only hope that this very tragic event puts forth a serious change in America and how people of Color treated I as a white American stand with you. My sources for this podcast or New York Times near Post and Boston. GLOBE DOT COM. Thank you guys so much for listening to this podcast. I just really wanted to. Get this podcast out here. Just to show my support in any way, and my heart goes out to George Floyd family.

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Olympic Bombing and The Wrong Man, Richard Jewell | 12

History of the 90s

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Olympic Bombing and The Wrong Man, Richard Jewell | 12

"Every four years for two weeks the world is united as it cheers on the greatest athletes to go faster higher and stronger. At the Summer Olympics in one thousand nine hundred ninety six millions cheered when Mohammed Ali took the stage at the opening ceremony in Atlanta to light the Olympic cauldron. His body had been slowed by Parkinson's but was shaking hands. He managed to ignite both the flame mm-hmm and the spirit of the one hundred Olympic Games. The Olympic spirit burn bright that night and continued until eight days as later when tragedy struck on this episode. We look back at the deadly bombing that rocked the nineteen ninety-six Eighty six Atlanta Summer Olympics. And the man wrongfully placed at the center of it all Richard Jewel. I'm Cathy can Zora. And this is is the history of the nineties. A podcast about a decade that changed the world On in July Twenty Six thousand nine hundred ninety six the security guard responsible for watching over a sound and light tower at the Center of Centennial Olympic. Park Harkin Atlanta arrived a half hour early for his overnight shift. It was the eighth day of the Summer Games and the park and with its pavilions stages and exhibits was a hub of activity. It was the crown jewel for the Atlanta Organizing Committee. A place where people could come together and feel the Olympic spirit for free like every law enforcement or security job he ever had. This guard took his position at the Olympics very seriously. He was alert to any signs of trouble when he clocked in that night. He had no idea just how much trouble lurked around the corner. He had no idea that his life would never be the same. His name was Richard Jewel. He was thirty three years old and lived with his mom bobby in a small apartment in Atlanta. He had recently returned home to his mother after quitting his job as a security guard at Piedmont Piedmont College in a small town a couple hours north of the city. The reason he left his previous job was that he took his position as a campus cop way too seriously. He was so eager that he even started patrolling areas off campus and pulling over people people to issue warnings and citations. His boss was always telling him to relax. And after the call received one too many complaints about the security guard he was put on probation. Jewel wasn't happy about it so he decided to quit and move on. It was actually only the second job that he had quit recently before working as a campus cop he was a deputy sheriff in nearby Halberstam County for five and a half half years Richard. You'll was a guile but very eager young man who wanted desperately to be in law enforcement that's journalists Kevin Salwen who recently co wrote a book about jewel called the suspect. He he says Jewell was a pretty good cop who loved what he did but he just couldn't stop getting into trouble oftentimes. It was over his own driving when he was just he was just a dreadful driver. got into accidents all the time. He drove a vehicle. That has been banged up. So often that It was referred to by his friends of death. Mobile and trump was bundy down and but Richard could not get out of his own way in many ways in one particularly spectacular crash jewel wrecked the sheriff's own car will pulling a prank on another officer. He he hit a hydro pole and knocked out power to the neighboring area when he was demoted. Because of the stunt Jill decided it was time to move on. He dreamed of getting another job in law enforcement but for now he was happy to work as a security guard at the summer Olympics. which were coming soon into his hometown? The National Olympic Committee is awarded the Nineteen Ninety six Olympic Games to the city of Atlanta. 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There's more for free on apple podcasts. spotify or wherever. You're listening to this podcast. You can also find it on on curious. CAST DOT. Ca Atlanta is home to almost five point nine million people dole and it's the ninth most populated city in the US and in nineteen ninety. The city was proud to be called upon to host the ninety six summer games after beating out an impressive list of other cities including Athens Toronto and Melbourne Kent Alexander who co wrote the suspect with Kevin Selwyn was the US attorney for the northern district of Georgia and is a lifelong resident of Atlanta. He said winning. The game meant everything to the city in nineteen ninety when we won the Olympics there was not any real history of Atlanta winning much much anything we'd ever wanted. NFL TITLE NBA World series nothing and so most of us just assume this would be another disappointed. Appoint their back by that point. We've been branded loser. Ville USA by numberth publications so it was just huge when we you got the news with Atlanta one. They just exploded excitement over the next six years. Preparations for the Games included an unprecedented precedence. Security plan a New York Times article in Nineteen ninety-six called it the largest peacetime security operation for a public event in American Eric in history. There were thirty thousand security guards including fourteen thousand soldiers. Patrolling the events at a cost of over three three hundred million dollars the underlying fear. was that the Games would be an easy target for either foreign or domestic terrorists. The planning covered the possibility of bombs kidnappings and even a poison gas attack like the one on the Tokyo. Subway system that occurred heard the year before had killed twelve people and injured thousands. Also in the back of everyone's mind were to recent terrorist attacks on on. US soil the World Trade Center truck bomb in Nineteen ninety-three and the Oklahoma City bombing carried out by homegrown terrorists. Timothy McVeigh and to add to that just two days before the games were set to open. TWA flight eight hundred had mysteriously exploded off the coast of Long Island killing all two hundred and thirty people on board. Tensions were high but officials felt prepared for whatever might come their way. Eight days into the Games. Things were going well all that planning seemed to be paying off about twelve thousand thousand. People had gathered at the main stage in Centennial Park for a free concert by Mac Jack and the heart attack. The atmosphere was electric. People partied and dance. Does the band played on just before one am Richard. Jewel spotted a green backpack under a bench a few minutes. That's early or a group of intoxicated. Young men had been standing around the bench drinking beer. Jewel assumed one of them must have left the bag behind. He called over a nearby police officer. Tom Davis and told him what was going on together. They began searching for the young men when they found them. The men set not our bag. Jewel was immediately worried but according to Alexander and Sounes Book. The suspect officer Davis. Wasn't that concerned over. One hundred suspicious bags have been reported in the first eight days of the Games and they all turned out to be just lost or forgotten by their owners but the officer followed protocol and radio the command center about the situation while they waited jewel and the police officer cleared a fifteen foot perimeter around the backpack within a few minutes and FBI. Bomb attack was on the scene down on his hands and knees. He crawled under the bench with a flashlight in hand to look at the backpack when he carefully unzipped it what he saw. Aw stopped him dead in his tracks wiring pipes end caps and a timing device. The tech carefully. He crawled away and the Bom Management Center was called one problem. They were twenty minutes away. It was now one eight A.. M. As concert goers danced about a dozen officers formed formed a human shield and pushed people back they were trying to expand the perimeter around the bench and the backpack Richard Jewel joined them after running into the tower to warn everyone about the threat officers. Were having a hard time clearing the area. According to Alexander and Sounes book a lot of people had been drinking and they were too busy watching the concert to heed the warning by police then at one twenty am as law on forcement contemplated a full evacuation the homemade pipe. Bomb spiked with nails and screws exploded. The explosion was deafening the ground around and nearby buildings shook. The flash was fiery orange smoke billowed into the sky and the smell of gunpowder was everywhere. Nails and screws rain down on the crowd. The metal bits slice through clothing and flesh of scores of spectators. When the dust settled from the bomb bodies were scattered everywhere screaming and moaning filled build the air one hundred eleven people had been injured including two dozen police officers and forty four year old Alice? Hawthorne was debt her body riddled with shrapnel. Hawthorne had been at the park with her fourteen year old daughter who was among those injured in the blast a forty year old Turkish camerman also died that night. He suffered a heart attack. While running to cover the the explosion as the sun rose in Atlanta Olympic officials announced to the world. The Games would go on just as they did in. Nineteen seventy two when Palestinian terrorists killed eleven Israelis at the Munich Games. US President President Clinton offered words of encouragement to a nation shaken. By what had happened. We will take every necessary step to protect the athletes. Send those who are attending the Games but we must not let these attacks. Stop us from going forward. We cannot let terror win. That is not the American way the Olympics will continue. The Games will go on. The Olympic spirit will prevail. We must be firm in this. We cannot be intimidated by acts of Sir. Olympic flags flew at half staff at each game site as jittery athletes and subdued fans observed. A moment of silence centennial. Park was closed as police investigated the crime scene but all other events went ahead as scheduled. Surprisingly attendance was only slightly affected. Ninety percent of ticket holder showed up to take in sports like track and field diving beach volleyball and baseball all. Meanwhile it was all hands on deck for the FBI and other law enforcement agencies as they gathered evidence and investigated numerous leads. They call them the agency's Behavioral Science Unit. You know like the guys on minehunter hunter and had them start working a profile for the possible bomber. Here's former us. Attorney Kent Alexander Pressure on Law Enforcement Enforcement Bruce huge there were two million visitors in Atlanta fifteen thousand journalists Atlanta ten thousand place. It was the biggest event in the world so No you can't get more pressure than that because it's not that anyone had to say oh this is important you should look at it. It's the fact that everyone knew. There was a bomber on the loose in back kind of crowd in Atlanta during the Olympics in nineteen ninety-six the bombers could strike again at any point so it was more pressure than I ever seen in any criminal investigation indication I was prosecuted for eleven years during the early days of the investigation. The FBI made a troubling discovery. Right around the time. That jewel discovered the backpack and alerted the police officer a nine one. One call was placed from a pay phone outside a days in two blocks away from from the park. A male caller told the nine one one operator. There's a bomb in Centennial Park. You have thirty minutes then hung up. The FBI was frustrated to learn. The warning. Never made its way to anyone at the park. You see to send a police officer to investigate. The operator operator needed an address for the park which she didn't have she called around but it took thirteen minutes to finally get the address. Then then as officers tried to sort out who had jurisdiction over the park local or state police. The bomb exploded Richard Jewel was interviewed four times by agents about what he could remember before the explosion. They may have been surprised sized by the vivid detailed descriptions he gave even drawing for agents and extensive map of the explosion site but they didn't know jewel and how seriously variously he took his job for jewel. His entire life had led to this moment and the next day jewel was at home when he got word that CNN wanted to interview him about his heroic actions on the night of the bombing. He was reluctant. Didn't he knew appearing on TV would make him extremely nervous. But Jules boss talked him into it so around eight o'clock that night he mustered mustered up the courage and he went to the CNN center across from where the bomb had gone off. He downplayed his role as a hero in the three minute interview that was broadcast broadcast. Live to the world's adding he didn't really think of himself when the bomb went off because he was too distracted by the bodies of law enforcement officers he saw flying through the air according to the book. The suspect jewel wasn't aware that his interview would play on repeat through the night. The twenty four hour news cycle was still fairly new. But that's exactly what happened and by the next morning every media outlet wanted a piece of Richard Jewel the next forty eight hours were a whirlwind of appearances and interviews. He did two more live interviews on CNN and one on NBC's Today Show with Katie couric. where she asked you if he felt like a hero he spoke to reporters from several newspapers and even got a call from a literary agent asking if he was interested in writing a book but behind the scenes the FBI was starting to have doubts about Richard Jewel as the brave and quiet man who helped avert a greater tragedy the FBI's concerns all started when they received a call from the president of Piedmont College? Ray Clear and he told agents that will working at the school. The security guard always wanted to be a hero the FBI spoke to other people at the College College who said that jewell was highly aggressive and badge heavy meaning. He was obsessed with being a cop. When agents dug into was record they discovered more trouble? Jewel had been charged with impersonating a police officer six years earlier in nineteen ninety when he was first hired as a deputy sheriff. He wasn't qualified to make arrests but he did so anyway. And he was charged after pleading guilty to a lesser charge. He was allowed to keep his job really. It was just another incident of jewel being overzealous rather than criminal but on paper it didn't look good to the FBI members of the Behavioral Science Unit were given videotape of jewel CNN interviews. We're asked to analyze them normally. CBS You when asked to develop a profile lays out the characteristics of the possible suspect but by that Monday two days after the bomb went off a report came back and according to Kent Alexander. It directly pointed a finger at jewel as the Centennial Park. Bomber it practically indicted him him and they basically put out a four page single space report. That was those instructions on how to interview ridicule and all but it was the bomber. And that's how it was read at the FBI in Atlanta at the time so yes it was unusual. The idea that a law enforcement officer might invent a situation to look like a hero wasn't something entirely new it had happened once before at the end of the nineteen eighty four Los Angeles Olympics. A local police officer discovered ticking improvised explosive device. Or an I.. I D- in the wheel. Well of a bus carrying Turkish athletes to the airport. The officer was declared a hero but then later he confessed fast to planting the device. Meanwhile in Atlanta the media presence for the Olympics was huge every outlet was scrambling for our new information in the bombing story. Ninety six such an interesting year in media. CNN is already up and running but nineteen ninety six is the year ear that MSNBC Starts Fox News Channel starts up the Wall Street Journal The New York Times and a bunch of other publications go online and so the first time so it is the year and hastened news just accelerate incredibly. There was one media outlet that was especially desperate to own the the story the hometown paper the Atlanta Journal Constitution. They have three hundred and twenty-five people dedicated to covering the Olympics. A small a group of reporters from the paper was assigned to cover the security beat including longtime copper reporter Kathy scruggs she died in two thousand thousand one but people who knew her describe an old school reporter with flair. She had extraordinary drive. And the ability to work. Sources is like no one else which sometimes men drinking with them out a bar. According to the book. The suspect scruggs wasn't into big thing increases. Her style was best described as be fast. Be First on Monday. Two days after the bomb scruggs connected with a source I within the Atlanta Police Department. who asked her if she was aware that the FBI was looking at Richard Jewel as a suspect the source had had nothing else? So scruggs started calling around. She got in touch with another more reliable law enforcement source she had known for years. They met at a bar at a back table to talk off the record. The source told scruggs that jewel fit the profile of the lone bomber. The hero zero bomber a frustrated white male former police officer or military officer a wannabe cop who wants to be a hero. The catch was the source told her she couldn't run the story yet. It would ruin the investigation. She tentatively agreed but warned her source that if she got independent cooperation her paper would run with it the next day three days after the bomb went off and as has the. US Women's softball team won the inaugural gold medal. SCRUGGS got the break. She was looking for cooperation for her story. Another another COP at the Atlanta Police Department told her that the FBI was looking at the security guard. He said everyone was talking about it. Well that was enough enough for scruggs along with her reporting partner Ron Martz scruggs typed up the story that would run in a special edition of the Atlanta Journal Constitution later that day. Hey the headline read. FBI suspects hero. Guard may have planted bomb. The story that scruggs and Martz wrote stated needed that jewel was the focus of the federal investigation into the bombing and that he fit the profile of the lone bomber former. US Attorney Kent Alexander Zander says the impact was massive. And I can tell you when the story broke and not just the JC but when other media picks it up CNN. Tom Brokaw The New York. Post others. There was fist-pounding around the table among supervisors the Atlanta because it completely changed the course. Investigation excretion every major paper in the United States except the New York Times picked up the story and ran with it. The idea that Richard Jewel was not NAUTA hero. But a possible bomber spread around the world. You could easily make an argument. Says this is the first big. Social Media Story even increased social media era. You know they were news. Organizations all over the world who were doing what essentially the equivalent of re tweets and shares and Often without any new information just essentially turning the novel and that was very dangerous and Atlanta into as soon as the story broke hordes of reporters and cameramen rushed to the apartment complex. Where jewell lived with his mother? Bobby they didn't know he was the FBI's prime suspect until jewel received a phone call from his boss. Alerting him to what was going on a couple of hours later there was a knock on the door to FBI agents had arrived to take jewel in for questioning jewel. Ask the agents. If they were there to arrest him they said no he asked if he was a suspect. They said he was a key witness and they just wanted to talk to him about what happened at the park. This assist when things get very weird. The agents told jewel. They wanted him to come to the station so they could tape the interview for a training video that that would be used for other first responders any apprehension that jewel had disappeared. He was more than happy to assist with something thing that would benefit law enforcement but it was a trick. There was no training video Back at the station. The two agents started off by questioning jewel about his job. History family background basic stuff. They didn't read him his Miranda Rights Rights. Because they didn't want to tip them off that he was a suspect. You probably know what Miranda rights are from watching TV you have the right to remain silent the right to an attorney et Cetera et Cetera. If these rights are not administered. There is the chance that anything. A suspect says could be thrown out by a judge in Washington while the interview was taking place the head of the FBI. Louie Freeh got word about what was happening and he decided to pull the plug. He called down to Atlanta an issued a direct order interrupt the interview and tell the agents to read jewel his rights as as soon as they did the security guard clued into what was going on. Everything stopped jewel called called an old friend who was an Atlanta real estate lawyer Watson Bryant Junior. He asked the agents if they were planning to arrest jewel and when they said no Bryant Bryant told them that it was the end of the interview his soon to be client would be going home. You might be surprised to learn that tactics like the fake vache. Training video are actually pretty normal for the FBI. Here's former us. Attorney Kent Alexander. I'm not saying the right decision by I any stretch but just it's important for people understand. It's just ruses are used over time. The real issue with this particular interview more than a ruse was how how they issue the Miranda warnings. That's part of the rules that I think in fact I know gave. All sorts of people heartburn so inside and outside the FBI over for the days that followed jewels interview. The media had a field day with the security guards reputation. They were ruthless. They depicted him as a hopeless donny. A fat failed sheriff's deputy with a forrest Gump personality. NBC News Anchor. Tom Brokaw shockingly went out on a limb and set of jewel. They probably have enough to arrest him right now. Probably enough to prosecute him. Even Jay Leno joked about jewel schule in his opening monologue. He said he seems to fit the typical misfit profile cop wannabe low self esteem and added that he had a scary scary resemblance to. Sean ECKERD. The Guy who whacked figure Skater Nancy Kerrigan and the need two years earlier Atlanta Assistant. Da Nancy Z.. Grace who was not yet a TV star went on Good Morning. America and all but said jewel was guilty and a newspaper editorial compared him to the the Atlanta serial child killer Wayne Williams despite being tried and convicted in the media the FBI couldn't make an arrest they had no forensic evidence tying jewell to the bomb and it wasn't for a lack of trying thirty agents with bomb. Dogs searched jewell's apartment for ten hours. They took away boxes and boxes of items belonging to both jewel and his elderly mother. The F. B. I. also obtained Warrant forcing jewel to submit DNA evidence from it. They found absolutely nothing linking jewel to the bombing. Not a single oh piece of forensic evidence. Meanwhile the Olympic Games came to a close close with many exciting moments to look back on. You might remember a few of those like when Canada's Donovan Bailey. Won The gold in the men's one hundred meter track event event and set a new world record with a time of nine point. Eight four seconds Donovan. Then went on to lead team Canada to a first place. Finish in the men's four by one hundred relay. Or how about when you ask gymnast. Kerri strug helped her team win gold when she completed a volts by landing perfectly on an injured ankle she even managed to salute the judges before collapsing to the ground at the closing ceremonies. IOC President Juan Antonio Tonio Samaranch called the Atlanta Games the most exceptional instead of his traditional best ever and in his speech. He denounced the Centennial Olympic. The park bombing stating that terrorism cannot stop. The Olympic Spirit Samaranch then asked for a moment of silence to remember the victims of the bombing as for jewel. Well he was on the second week of his ordeal and the FBI was starting to have doubts about whether he was the person they should be focused based on some media outlets also started asking questions. Bill Rankin a reporter from the AJC. The same newspaper that started ordered the media frenzy was the first to wonder about the timing of the nine one. One call remember that call was placed just before one. Am right around the time. That jewel found the backpack and reported it to a police officer. How could you have been at the park and two blocks away at the phone booth at the same time? Jewel's lawyer Watson. Bryant brought in help including civil litigator Lynnwood who was known as a pit bull doc as public perception turned in jules favor would make the decision to go on the offensive four weeks after he was identified as a suspect. Jewel was living in limbo a prisoner in his own apartment. The dozens of reporters surrounded the building. Twenty four hours a day with one media outlet going as far as renting the apartment across the hall and yet no charges had been laid. So jewell's lawyers set up a news conference for Bobby to plead her son's case through tears ears she begged US President Clinton to help her by ending the nightmare. They were going through before completely breaking down she said if the FBI doesn't intend to charge my son. Please tell us. Please tell the world Mr President. Please clear my son's name next came sixty minutes interview. which was the leading news authority at the time in an episode that aired nearly two months after the bombing did you will came off in a favourable light like a man that had been wronged by an overzealous media? His lawyer Lin Wood told Mike Wallace that they would probably be suing the Atlanta Journal Constitution as well as NBC. For the remarks made by. Tom Brokaw would said everyone. One got what they wanted. The police and the media the problem was they threw an innocent man over the side in the process. While jewel's lawyer was using the media to turn public opinion around another lawyer. Working for the security guard was meeting with officials to hammer out. A resolution mm-hmm jewel would be re interviewed by the FBI with the promise that the government would publicly declare Jill's legal status within three weeks. This here's US attorney Alexander and so the agreement was that we decide. Actually I would decide if he's a along the yeah I whether he was a target of investigation or not so on October twenty six. I handed a letter to attorney Jack. Martin and the letter said You're at this time. You're not a target of the investigation. We appreciate it. Wa- peration his attorneys at the time. Were a little upset about that. Because it wasn't a clearance letter didn't say you were no longer suspect the fact that you can't say that until you all the Alexander says the FBI couldn't Outright announced that jewel was cleared but they hope the media would absolve Jill once they got the letter. And that's exactly what happened. In in the media and in the Court of public opinion it was declared that jewel was not responsible for the tragic events in Atlanta after the announcement jewel held an emotional news. Conference this is the first time I've ever asked you to turn your cameras on me for eighty eight days ace. I lived a nightmare for eighty eight days. My mother lived a nightmare too. And it's rush for the headline that the hero was the bomber. The media cared nothing for my feelings as a human being in the days that followed jewell's lawyers filed several lawsuits for for defamation. NBC settled for five hundred and ninety five thousand dollars CNN. Paid out two hundred thousand dollars to jewel and fifty thousand to his mum and Piedmont College where jewel previously worked as a campus cop settled for three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars however the Atlanta Journal Constitution Shen the paper that started it all dug in its heels and after a very lengthy legal battle the case against the ADC was dismissed in two thousand twelve. Also the court ruled that because the articles written by scruggs and Marts in their entirety were substantially true at the time they were published. Even though the investigator's suspicions were ultimately unfounded they cannot form the basis of a defamation action. The AJC was was not made to account for damage done to Jules reputation. You may be wondering at this point. If the actual bomber was ever caught yes he was finally arrested in two thousand and three but not before he conducted a reign of terror. Error in Atlanta and Birmingham Alabama after the Atlanta Olympics bombing. Eric Rudolph an anti government extremist also detonated bombs at two abortion clinics and a lesbian nightclub. One person was killed and twelve others were injured in those incidents following his fourth bombing at the abortion clinic in Birmingham Alabama Vigilant bystander saw a man walking away from the chaos and followed him back. Talk to his truck taking down his North Carolina license plate. Police were able to trace the vehicle back to Rudolf before they could make an arrest. Rudolph went into hiding in the dense woods of the Nantel Hall National Forest in Western North Carolina five months after his disappearance the FBI announced announced that Rudolf was also wanted in connection with this intangible park bombing as well as the other two attacks in Atlanta investigators were able to connect enact Rudolf to the bomb at the Olympics. After a man came forward to say he had sold Rudolph gunpowder at a gun show. It turned out to be the same gunpowder. Used in the pipe. Bomb at Centennial Park for five years the FBI scoured the forest with bloodhounds electronic motion detectors sectors and heat sensing helicopters. They set up listening posts with cameras and hired local scouts to trump through the woods with gritted maps. They added added Rudolf to their most wanted list. And put a million dollar price tag on his head. And that's when the bounty hunters came crashing into town determined to make a fortune off of finding Rudolph. He was finally captured though by a twenty one year old rookie cop who found him prowling behind a grocery store in the middle of the night. Rudolph pleaded guilty avoided trial and was sentenced to four consecutive life sentences plus one hundred twenty years. He has no chance for for parole at the time. He pleaded guilty. Rudolph blamed his behavior on the legalization of abortion. And on what he called aborignes sexual behavior in a rambling. Eleven page statement. He declared abortion is murder and when the regime in Washington legalized sanctioned sanctioned and legitimized this practice they forfeited their legitimacy and moral authority to govern Rudolph explained that by bombing the Olympics. He hoped to shame the United States for its actions. He stated his intent was to knock out Atlanta's power grid and shut down the Games. He never intended. I did to hurt innocent civilians after the Atlanta bombing many in the media A an expression to describe a rush to judgment they call the jewel syndrome and even though it seems like it's been universally recognize that the case of Richard Jewel was the epitome of. What can go wrong when snap judgments are made? It doesn't mean at a stopped happening. Kevin sock the reporter who covered the Atlanta bombing story for the New York. Times said the media has learned very little since nineteen ninety six in in fact he believes the Internet and social media has made it even worse. A perfect example is what happened following the Boston Marathon bombing. After the 2013 incident. The New York Post ran a front-page photo of two teenage runners under the headline bag men implying that they had something to do with the backpack bombs planted at the race they came to the public's attention after their images were scooped up import over a hundreds of online amateur sleuths on Reddit Four Chan and other Internet forums. It turned out the teens had had nothing to do with the tax reddit users also incorrectly named another young man as a possible suspect a twenty a two year old student who had been missing for about a month before the Bombing Sahil Trapattoni's family was targeted with hateful messages on social media read. It eventually apologized to the family for their ordeal. Tripathi is still missing today. Can't Alexander says it wasn't just the media. The other made mistakes during the Atlanta investigation. Law Enforcement did too and he hopes that they've learned a couple of valuable lessons from nine. Hundred Ninety. Six one is don't leak it's not countenanced by supervisors the FBI but it happened. That two is don't too much credence into behavioral. Science can be very helpful in guiding investigation and even solving crimes. But it's not Evans. It took about a year but Richard Jewel eventually did get another job. As a sheriff's deputy in a small town down south west of Atlanta then in two thousand one he got married to a woman named Dana and a few years later they settled on a twenty six acre farm arm in middle Georgia where jewel had gotten another job as a deputy every year on the anniversary of the bombing. Jewel would return to centennial entangle park and place a card and arose at the spot where Alice Hawthorne was killed. He always wished that he could have done something to save her that night. Aw sadly in August two thousand seven jewel died of a heart attack. He was forty four years old. A large contingent contingent of sheriff's Deputies and police officers from several Georgia communities attended his funeral service. The turn out would probably have meant a lot to jewel because despite everything that happened to him he died continuing to love law enforcement and his life continues to draw Interest today in fact. Clint Eastwood directed and produced a movie. This year based on the Nineteen ninety-seven Article American nightmare. The Ballad of Richard Jewel by Marie Brenner published in Vanity Fair. The film depicts the Centennial Olympic Park bombing during the nineteen ninety-six Summer Olympics in Atlanta and its aftermath. It's stars Paul Walter Houser as jewel alongside Sam Rockwell. Kathy Bates Jon Hamm and Olivia Wilde as AJC JC reporter Kathy scruggs. Thanks for joining me on this. Look at the story of Richard Jewel and the night that changed his life. 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Day 1,226: Protests break out in cities across the nation after George Floyd's fatal arrest

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,226: Protests break out in cities across the nation after George Floyd's fatal arrest

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Minneapolis is under curfew until six. Am central time on Saturday but the protesters who had been on the streets for the past several hours for that matter. The past several nights remain there. All of its stemming from the death of George Floyd today the now former police officer who kneel on Mr Floyd's neck has been charged in Mr Floyd's death but the anger the outrage have not gone away. We want to start things off by going to Ali. She who is still with us from the streets of Minneapolis Alley a couple things. I know you have changed positions loss. The reason for that and confirmed for us these reports. We've been hearing that. Police have pulled back again and there are long stretches of the city with no police presence again tonight yes In fact I would argue Brian. There are more stretches of the city without police presence than there were last night. That was a remarkable scene started in the nine PM. Eastern our right when that curfew began about ten minutes before it. The police announced that you'll be. You'll be arrested if you don't move. They started firing tear gas. And then something that. Nobody expected the police and the National Guard. These are state police various other agencies. I didn't see any Minneapolis. Police at all and the National Guard all started moving backward. They walk backwards for well over a mile and a half. As far as I could see at one point. They stopped and SORTA did running battle with the protesters with tear. Gas and the protesters just did not pull back mask. But the broadcaster didn't have mask and they just stood there and stood there and kept on moving forward and eventually the National Guard. The police have dissipated. They walked out major stretches of the city all the way to downtown from South Minneapolis into downtown. There are crowds of people assembled including just beyond this bridge or those lights are various parts of the city. There are groups. That have assembled. But the the idea of a curfew. I guarantee you because we've been on the streets since a curfew began is not in place for whatever reason and we do not know whether Brian this was a strategic decision on the part of the National Guard and the police and the mayor and the Governor to say let's disobey the crowds by pulling them back on what became ultimately March more than a protest more whether the protest overcame the resistance of authorities. What we did not see very. Interestingly we'd not see interaction or much interplay between the police and the protesters except for the firing of canisters. Although Mike Grimes one of our digital producers who is here did get struck by national guardsmen in his side with something we have not been able to determine what the something was. It did not appear to be tear gas. We don't know whether it was rubber bullets or whether it was something else so that was unusual because we weren't really in a position where the National Guard. You be firing on us but there was a great deal of of confusion because the protesters walked into this missed tear gas. You could hear helicopters. These are now military national guard helicopters above the city. I have not seen any media helicopters in the last little while but there's a heavy police presence in the city today Brian that we didn't see police control. They are here but they're not. They're not controlling the streets and they are not maintaining a curfew tonight and alley as you know. The governor was some ceremony and some emotion said today that the state was going to act and the National Guard was being sent in because the city couldn't handle it last night and starting with those words. We sure thought today tonight. We're going to be different and today was different. I will tell you that what the police in the National Guard achieved was a perimeter around that area that you and I were talking from last night around that intersection where the third precinct was probably three blocks in every direction. The police had sealed it off with Jersey barriers concrete barriers. That cars couldn't get through the metal barriers that could be moved and there were no protesters in that area for the entire day. They were dissipated to separate sort of quadrants in small groups with police and National Guards presents in front of them and then it all came apart at eight PM. Local time nine PM Eastern announcements came out. We saw about ten minutes to nine all the police in the national guards. People donning their gas masks and our team to do the same thing because obviously something was coming. The tear gas was deployed and then they backed out and they got and I think there were some sense that with that much tear gas. The crowd would dissipate or hold back and it was incredible to see that that did not happen so it is unclear whether same question we had last night whether this is strategic or not whether the decision to not engage with protesters in anything that feels like combat or confrontation is part of the strategy or whether the planned to keep everybody at bay did not work because right now not just in this city but as you've been reporting are you will be reporting across the country. These protests are overwhelming the the ability for police forces to keep them in line and that is what has happened here. So one one interesting thing at this hour. The protest has dissipated their groups across the city. It is not a mass protest like it was last night but is not a curfew either. Allie look behind you. I'm seeing what appears to be a new plume of something in the distance where you said the NS precinct was and I'm wondering if enough people have now gathered together the interest of police because that looks new. That's brand new. What's going? It's moving faster than the wind out here. Suggested it should be moving. I I can't. It's just on the other side of this bridge. Don't smell gas and usually even if it's at that distance you can tell if it's tear gas we're not seeing any running or movement. There is a large crowd of people there and one thing that we have seen. Because we've been hearing a lot of noise all night. There are a lot of firecrackers and things like that going off. So I'm wondering whether that's what it is. You See. People walking through that plume toward us. So it's not tear gas because they wouldn't be walking calmly if it were but there is something going on there. You're right that has just developed. There does not appear to be a police presence here. I tell you though Brian just on the other side of that bridge where you see those traffic lights that have turned green. That is the police station. That's another police station. That's the fifth precinct that there were some reports that there was some tension around that is completely closed up with Jersey barriers and fencing and there are police on the on the roof of that building. There's a police presence right there. And there's a protest presence on the right side of where those traffic lights are. But I'm not seeing interchange between them so I'll find out what that smoke was but it does not appear to be something by police. You can see the helicopter right up there. That's a national guard helicopter. Basically right on top of the police station sort of surveying the situation below it so a very very tense situation here in Minneapolis. The purview is not in place one precinct where the mayor may choose to make a stand Al Evil. She will check back in with you as always say morning. Apply stay safe. Before we go to Louisville's where things got very sporty tonight and By the way just to to update everyone. We've had a lot of activity in the streets of Washington Atlanta San Jose Los Angeles Cincinnati all across our country. Tonight so much that it's hard to keep up with. I WANNA show you a clip of a local reporter with our station. W. A. V. W. A. V. E. in Lovo Kentucky tonight as police were firing pepper. Bullets gotta go and that's fine with us. We got plenty of time. Here are you okay? I'm getting Kate. Katie are you okay birds? It's okay it's those pepper bullets. It's those eating that should directly at US directly wired crew. I did not know that. Obviously they've camera right there telling us to move now. I guess farther away. It's one way to tell people to move back and we would call such thing accidental right up until the point where The police officer aims his weapon at the local news crew on the streets our own cow. Perry is out and about on the streets of Louisville Kentucky. Where cal I was watching your work earlier number of fires have been let which is something. We're seeing in cities all across the country. At least three cars have have gone up right in the center of Atlanta. Tonight and police have lost control of this street. Mark you can show fires on either end of the street I finished with Lawrence Donald coming around this corner and somebody was handling of firearms and was trying to stop traffic with a with a gun that they had pulled out. And that's what has people here rattled. Seven people were shot last night in a mass shooting in the middle of the protest argue. Doing around a show the other end of that street. There's another fire here. And as I said BRIBE LISA. Lost control a district. They maintain control the downtown area where the courthouse is where the sheriff's office is all these side streets and protesters scattered on these side streets. And that's when we saw our first mall cocktail and that's when things got serious when police started firing those little bowls pepper rounds and balancing. They were ricocheting off everything. That's what kind of has the crowd now. Sort of split up on both sides of the city. You can see. The new line of police forming just past that fire at the end of the street. It is important to note that this city has a very difficult relationship with his police force as well. People have rallied around the killing of Brianna Taylor. She died in March on March thirteenth. When three police officers enter her apartment without knocking they came in. There was a firefight with her boyfriend. She was shot eight times. And there's been a lot of questions about why they didn't knock why it was one of those. No knock warrants. That's now over. According to the mayor he made that announcement today. There's federal investigation into what happened. But it's finally if you talk to people here. It's finally getting the attention that it deserved. So it's not just what's happening in Minneapolis? It's also what's happening in this also worth noting. Brian. It's a generational thing. This is a younger group and everybody is looking at what's happening in Washington. What'S HAPPENING IN ATLANTA. What's happening Minneapolis? And I think they're all feeding each other. The scenes are all the same and people are sort of sharing this moment in history. Brian Cal Perry on the streets of Louisville Kentucky. A wild night for that city Blaine Alexander is in Atlanta and Blaine. We've been watching your work tonight as well. We saw the mayor get very angry because among other things protesters attacked. Cnn's world headquarters face the front of the building deface the CNN logo at the on the sidewalk broke. Windows broke windows in nearby restaurants As I mentioned to police cars or two cars were on fire last. We checked in front of the starbucks. There they torched a police car earlier tonight. Does that about a capsule it? You know what you nailed it all Brian. But even since that reporting there has been some more damage. I'm sorry to tell you. I KINDA WANNA show you scenario right now. We're in the heart of downtown Atlanta. This is right there at greenspace. You See Centennial Olympic Park. You know it well. The home of the ninety six Olympics and lining the perimeter we see officers and SWAT vehicles. We see a perimeter that has actually form as they're trying to get people out of the park. I want to show you over this way. If you take a look you talked about those smoldering cars. You see the fire trucks right. They're still trying to put them out on top of that damage we've seen. We can pan over here. There's a starbucks where the windows have been broken through. The embassy suites that hotel. The Omni Hotel nearby both have had windows broken out. And then when you swing around here we'll show you this window. This is the college football hall of fame. This is a very popular attraction all of the windows here in front completely broken out. You see bare shelves empty shelves. Clearly people have come in here and looted and taken a lot of things so it was a very striking split screen that you heard earlier tonight. Brian you saw Kisha bottoms with the Atlanta police. Chief Eric Shield along with some big Atlanta names rapper. Ti Rapper killer. Mike all basically pleading for people to salvage and save the city of Atlanta. They say that this is our city. This is our home if we lose Atlanta. What else do we have? But at the very same time Brian you saw kind of this escalation that was happening right before our eyes here in downtown Atlanta. I've got to say that I've been out here since about four o'clock this afternoon and we have seen a complete shift started off with a several hundred people more than a thousand people gathering peacefully in the streets. They marched here about a mile away to the Georgia. State capitol chanted there for a while and then came back here but it was as the sun started to set as people started to return to this area that we really saw that flip. That's when we saw people breaking the windows into the CNN center. We were seeing videos on social media of a police line inside people throwing a lit fireworks inside to police officers inside the CNN center. And then one thing I've got to say my crew and I have been kind of moving around two positions of safety throughout the night for one of those positions. We looked we saw billowing cloud of smoke and we realized that was a police car on fire later saw the flames shooting up. So that's what we saw police repeatedly through the night. Give a series of warnings Brian. They were telling people to back up to clear the streets and it was after we started to see people going side the CNN center that that's what we saw. The gas canisters flag. That's what we saw really people moving and that's where we stop. You'd police inching that perimeter forward so I'm GONNA take you back over here show you some of the SWAT activity again behind us but this is constantly what we're seeing here Brian. We're seeing police making this kind of slow painstaking effort to clear the streets here in Atlanta but in the midst of all of this. We're seeing really just a lot of damage. A lot of carnage. I would not be too dramatic of a word to say. We're talking about hotels that have been damaged cars. That are still smoldering and police. That are still quite frankly trying to clear the streets here in Atlanta and blame one more question. How is it that police cleared where you are? You're clearly in a safe zone behind their lines. Did they. Kind of have to slow and steady move lines forward and exit people from that area. We've seen a combination of IT Brian. So it was. We were actually standing right on the other side inside Centennial Olympic Park when we started to see smoke fill the air. We were close enough to tell that that was tear gas. Mike crew might producer myself. We caught up with a we could tell immediately that we were impacted by it so we started backing up. That's when we also saw a number of people who were filling that park backing up as well at the same time. We saw police doing what you just said. Slow study kind of moving in blocking off areas blocking off parameters and I do have to say one thing that I really think is important to add to the context of Atlanta. You know that the civil rights the National Center for civil and human rights is literally just a few blocks away. This is the city that birth. Dr Martin Luther King Junior the birthplace of the civil rights movement Atlanta really prides itself on being a place where people can come and protest peacefully. Were nonviolence kind of prevail. So in the past few years whenever we see protests to this magnitude or others police activity really coming in and having those more confrontational approaches is going to be a last resort for Atlanta. In fact we saw the police chief standing in the midst of protesters early saying that she understands the frustration. She understands the anger and she wants people to protest peacefully indeed. They liked to be known as the jewel of the south on a lot of the cities that consider themselves jewels tonight. Have SOME SMOLDERING RUINS? Blaine Alexander thank you for your comprehensive reporting from Atlanta tonight. We are joined by the former commissioner of the NYPD. Bill Bratton and bill. You and I had our last discussion on live television this afternoon. And forgive me for any repetition but there's really important questions for a guy of your experience. Let's go to the death of George Floyd the reason we're all here the reason the streets of these mighty cities in our country our full of people tonight the the knee hold pudding a knee on the neck of a suspect as you confirm to me. It's not taught in any police academy in this country yet. It is employed by police officers. We've seen it many times. Usually when no one's looking how do you? How do you police something like that to relationship you please to training you police disciplined when it's used and abused and One of the reasons is still longer. It's no longer authorized along allow if you will the use of force against the neck area. We've come to recognize that that oftentimes can in does lead to death so the beginning of the show cold you certainly of I need against the neck all of that is to experience overtime tragedies over time and so this case however I think for all of us who've been around a long time this business. Fifty is never seen such a callous abuse of authority in Powell as was exhibited by that office over the course of ten twelve minutes As I understand now maybe for almost three minutes after cast out he had gone unconscious. Just incredibly egregious. It's also it's harder to describe but there is something commissioner about the officers. The former officers demeanor in that video the way he the casual set of his hands and arms the way he almost repositions his body weight to maximize the pressure very casually on the neck of a human being where we are about to watch life drained from that man on the street well as we have subsequently found out through some of the additional video and his more video to Kambas. We have not yet seen the video on the four offices. Its impact those body cameras working but the video. That shows three offices on that individual in the fourth officer just. Kinda wandering around that again. I can't explain. How can you effectively up participate in what has now been charged with the murder of this individual in not seeing anybody in law enforcement defending that The chief adjacent city to Minneapolis. Saint Call showed this video to his offices in indicated to them. If any of you build it happens displayed. Here was appropriate. You in the business you should be wearing a badge and I think for the vast vast vast majority American police. Nobody can explain that. Nobody can justify. Nobody's going to see to defend what you say to Americans. This is a tough time to be a police officer for all the reasons we see in the video. What do you say to Americans about the good cops the well intentioned police officers who are right now working four to twelve and after that will work at twelve to eight well tonight? Many of those offices are under attack. You've been showing video from around the country. I've been watching the news here in New York City precinct. Deok city attacked by many of the demonstrators. Vehicles burned offices assaulted incredible stress. America is under incredible stress. Unlike anything is seen as the best you and I go back to the sixties and seventies in terms of the antiwar demonstrations. I was a young police officer on those battles is to the desegregation efforts in Boston and over. These fifty years has never been a time like this time. Dealing with forty million people on employees we dealing still at the OPIOID crisis. Interestingly enough to nothing about that still taking thousands of lives with dealing with the race issue the original Sin Scab that never heals and we're dealing with incredible discontent a political Anger in this country is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime and unfortunately the police find themselves in the middle of that and Looks like we're going to be in for now. Good Nights and they follow. This stuff seems to happen at night. Doesn't it Going forward weird as we don't quite know at the junction blender a concern. I have very very concerned with this country in what is happening at this time. In this country though Brandon we have counted on your expertise in times of police success and in times of police failure. And I'm sorry the what we're seeing play out across the country is because of the latter in Minneapolis. Bill Bratton thank you. Try to have a good weekend. Thanks for making time for US tonight. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'LL BE TALKING WITH DAVID. Roth and Joel Anderson about ESPN's blockbuster multi-part documented one of the great icons of our time Michael Jordan. Maybe it's a musing on how distorting because there's nothing that can prepare you for becoming Michael Jordan. I mean we're talking about a guy who grew up in Wilmington North Carolina which a rural area went to North Carolina. Far from home all of a sudden he goes to Chicago in becomes this fina and the most famous person in the world. And so you can totally imagine how vet may totally isolate from everybody else who can relate to that. Who can you trust to get inside your circle so you may not welcome people to it and you may fiercely? Try to protect your fame and your wealth in your success in the way that he had to. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Let's bring in another friend of Ours Maya Wiley former assistant. Us Attorney for the Southern District of New York of veteran importantly of the New York City. Mayor's office WHO's now with the new school in New York. And my again at the risk of repetition because you and I last spoke between three and four PM eastern time this afternoon so many people have legal questions today. The family of George Floyd is holding out for murder one murder. In the first degree the charge is murder three and manslaughter but in order to prove murder one and a good many prosecutors have failed because of it. It's viewed through twenty twenty hindsight as having overshot what has to be present for murder in the first degree but Brian per se. I'm surprised you're still speaking to me after all these hours And I'm grateful to be with you again first. Degree murder is something that we have to think of is. I want you dead and so therefore I'm planning to kill you and then I accomplish it. That's what first degree murder is and one of the reasons. It's a challenge in this case and I say this with a complete sense of distraught for the pain of Mr Floyd's family and what they're experiencing and the trauma. We all suffer from staying out horrendous video and the experiences that unfortunately Mr Floyd experience that we don't see so far and have not heard evidence that this officer or any of the four officers said to them I want him dead and in order to make that case they essentially have to make out that in that plan that identified conscious decision to say. I want you dead and I'm planning for it on the other hand. The wording we associate with a third degree murder and or manslaughter. Depending on the jurisdiction depraved indifference. As you and I discussed earlier today what a particular turn of phrase and to a lot of people. All of civilians in the cheap seats depraved. Indifference is what we see just making observation. What we see a as a in that cops is yeah I I think. Depraved is a very accurate word. I mean it's the complete lack of recognition humanity that sees George Floyd as a human being in distress that understands and take seriously the role and responsibility a protecting his life. No law enforcement officer has the right to take a human life and he or she is either fearful for their own or they are fearful for the lives of others in the general public and that is not something that we're seeing any evidence of on this videotape so to do what what we saw that. Take simply. It is depraved. I think the complexity for people who are who are trying to understand how the law works here is the differences between second degree murder and third degree murder because it does get very very convoluted in a way because second degree murder means. I intended to kill you. I just didn't planet me. Being the line of something bad that was happening between us. You did die and I intended for you to die or I can legally be assigned intent and that's always a difficult standard for prosecutors and to your point in this context of depraved indifference. It's I really should have known that that something bad might have happened to you and I ended up killing you. And it was so gross. So depraved so atrocious that I should bear the legal responsibility for the fact that I killed you as as a as a form of murder what I say and I what I find challenging sometimes is that you'll see cases in which prosecutors and I use this example or earlier to defeat evening is there was a black man in in the the Minneapolis Area. Who was charged with second degree murder for child abuse and child abuse resulted in? The death of the child. Is that second degree murder or is the third degree murder and I think here you know. Part of what Mayor Walls said Governor. Weld said so importantly this morning is it is about regaining. Trust in the system and prosecutors have a very very fine line to walk between making sure they are ringing as aggressive. A case as the facts and circumstances require and fair case to what they're seeing in those facts and circumstances and we need to hear and see more in order to understand whether or not. That's happening here but reestablishing that trust from the public that in fact justice is blind and that it's colorblind and that's what we're looking to see here we take every opportunity around here to talk to my. Wiley for good reason. Thank you very much for a day of service to us. We appreciate it to our viewers. You've been watching pictures of the freeway in Los Angeles. We don't know that that was anything more than a broken down car but clearly protesters have now stopped. Traffic helicopters are above. We've seen pictures while I were having our conversation from Cincinnati we have seen pictures from Denver tonight in Brooklyn New York It got violent outside. The the home of the New York Nets the Barclay Center. There was billy clubs swinging a police. Sergeant in New York tonight was hit with brass knuckles by a protester. A New York City Police van was set aflame in Brooklyn This is Denver case TV of just one of the places where protesters have gathered. There are protests in too many municipalities for us to list and for us to show you on live cameras. That's one way of putting it. Dallas Texas right before we came on the air took a violent turn in the center of the city here again. One of the police lines in Los Angeles where things have been sporty for the past couple of nights and CHP had a couple of cruisers banged up and they also banged up a protester who chose incorrectly. It turns out to hop on a cruiser as it was moving Morgan. Chess ski is our other correspondents out and about in Minneapolis. Tonight Morgan watching your work tonight in disbelief at ear reporting that around you you saw again tonight. No police or National Guard presence. Is that still the case? That's the case. No sign of National Guard. No sign state police Japan because of that stop people are free to play their music as they wish in this area. I'm standing in front of Third. Free will show that in just a second but I want to show behind you. Wear a new fire has been set up by these crowds at this point in time fatal roam around this area and do as they wish which is what we've seen the past two nights and that's unfortunate reality that we are witnessing tonight. I'M GONNA go ahead and turn the camera around this way if we can do. This is what is left of the third precincts the Minneapolis. Police stations had You're looking at what is left of the entrance and people have been going in and out of that introduce all night taking whatever they can Bryan and I saw a one woman walkout with a can of Lysol wipes I saw others. Walkout Caring Police Ledger Books Inside. And this is just one building in about a ten block radius area that has been laid waste past two nights. And now we're approaching a third night and at this point in time it looks to be very much the same situation. No law enforcement. We do know that there were several hundred people that made their way from this area. At eight o'clock with that curfew went into effect and this is one of the hundreds of gas and smoke canisters that were put out into the streets of by members of law enforcement and tried to disperse that crowd however upon being deployed the law enforcement continued on down the road and so did that crowd. We have confirmed reports. Brian that the fifth precincts which is about three miles from where I'm standing is being swarmed in that area by a large crowd that we believed started from here. We also know that earlier today a part of I thirty five the interstate was cut off by another protests. And so here we are going now. Four days since the death of Floyd of George Floyd and they're still so much pain and anger in this community. Brian we were actually going to give you a look at what the fifth precinct look like however it was deemed too dangerous to approach right now so all of this while we watch and wait for any sign of law enforcement and have yet to see it. Brian Morgan because you were moving one. Allie she was moving. I should tell you we've talked to him since you've reached your location. He's at the other side of a bridge abutment. He's about to intersections away from the fifth as we talked to him. A state police helicopter was above. We saw a fresh plume. What looked more like smoke than tear gas? But it looks like a crowd has gathered down there at the fifth precinct. The big question coming off last night is will the will the mayor choose to make a stand to defend that precinct and Morgan? I've got a Minneapolis Fire Radio on here where I'm broadcasting from no apparatus on route to that fire behind you. They're insisting that it'd be secure. That was the story of the night last night. It absolutely was Brian. We saw time and time again. Those fires popping up and no response coming to this area and that was such a sharp contrast to what we win earlier in. This week went in front of this very building that we're standing on. We had police officers lining the roof looking down onto the crowd below. And that's certainly changed so quickly yesterday. win this crowd swelled to the point where they were able to overtake this building. And we saw those police cruisers. Leave this area and not return until early this morning. When state police a former very perimeter around this area they held staunchly Brian Until Eight. Pm Win that curfew went into effect that tearing US applaud and they left and as you can see that continuing to burn at this point in time. We don't have crowds that we've seen because people are just choosing at will the places they want to go to It's frustrating it's painful and for the people who live in this area when I asked how it felt to walkout and have this so close to home They were still wrapping their head around and Brian because no one expected the first night. Unexpected the second night and here we are going into night three of this kind of situation of lawlessness. At least in this part of the city and it's been painful. It's painful to watch that fire behind. You has absolutely the power to take down a city block if it's left to just get on a run unabated and Morgan one more question and I will let you go because the governor made such a big deal today of saying we are in the game. The State is in this game because the city couldn't handle it last night. I don't see the state in the game tonight. If they are. We certainly do not know where they are or what their way of action is at this point in time we did see a Black Hawk helicopter flying over this area earlier this evening however that was a one time thing and that we have yet to see any of the presidents of the National Guard. Come through after rolling through in Humvees near this very intersection around eight o'clock on announcing that curfew and that as of this point in time very much seems to be a statement without any actual enforcement We're going on now more than two and a half hours after after this was put into effect. And we're still at the very epicenter of where all of this anger was directed and people are free to roam it will fires burn is just overtaken the building Brian. And Yeah that's GonNa come down just a few minutes and that was just started probably two or three minutes before we started talking and reporting the latest to you. That's how quickly can we fear? And that's why it's so frustrating. We've indeed watched it develop over your shoulder. Fire doubles in size these days. Approximately every sixty seconds and that fire. No Different Morgan game reporting for us for the second straight night from the streets of Minneapolis. We're joined by our Frankfurt Lucy former. Fbi Assistant Director for Counter Intel and among our national security analysts. Frank think of what? We're not talking about right now. Let me name two topics the ongoing pandemic Morgan's not wearing a mask. Because of tear-gas he's wearing a mask because of the ongoing pandemic Ditto a lot of the protesters we're seeing across the country number two. This was the day we got to listen in. At least in transcript form on a General Flynn his casual conversation as a private citizen with Russian Ambassador. Kislyak a month before General Flynn was on the government payroll as national security adviser. So that's what we're not talking about tonight. What I would like to talk to you about tonight and I guess I'll have a chit on those other. Subjects is crowd control. I neglected to. Ask Commissioner Bratton. If any of these police chiefs have failed their task. What is going on on the streets of this country and do they bear responsibility for these neighborhoods. Burning uncontrolled unabated in addition to the anger. Were seeing a well-founded anger on the part of the protesters Brian. Our nation's police forces tonight are walking a very very fine line there on a tightrope on one side of that. Thiru is the need to ensure that they protect property and they mitigate any risk of loss of life and on the other side of that tyrod is the need to ensure that their actions and their decisions. Don't actually add to loss of life and property damage and they're smack in the middle of that strategically tonight. So I'll give you an example last night as I watched the Minneapolis situation on full. And I saw two or three officers on the roof of that police precinct using inactive desperation firing flashbang grenades at a crowd. I knew that that chief of police had made a strategic decision but he was willing to lose that building. That what you saw last night was not defense of a building in any stretch of the imagination. And so we have to understand. This is now replicating itself across the country where police chiefs are talking to mayors and city and county commissioners and. They're making a decision. How bad do we WANNA protect property and police departments? And and how risky is it to act in a way that incites even more violence and loss of life at some point? They'll Brian you talked about talking about things that we're not talking about on a national level you have to become concerned that there will be those amongst the groups that are going to exploit this for crimes of opportunity and even worse. If this gets protracted you may see the global anarchist movement the ones that come in and destroy our cities during events like the g twenty or the Free Trade of the Americas are show up at Olympic protests. Those people can come in and exploit this so the police decision to make. How far do we go to stand our ground and how much we can allow us to play. I can't tell you how many people have been in touch with me today and tonight and last night to say some form of the following which we would have laughed at five years ago the Russians must be having a good old time looking at television images of the United States death toll of a one hundred thousand a pandemic not at all under control and now city streets of flame in more cities tonight than we can list the. I've Lost Count of the number times you and I. Brian had talked about this very concept that the the number one goal of the Russian government is not to get a certain person in the White House but rather to sow discord and chaos. Now it helps if the person in the White House is unable to calm. The nerves of the nation is unable to get peace and call restored in our cities through his behavior fruit trust through his relationships in his statements. So yes our adversaries are studying this right now. Some of them are actually pleased that we are more divided than ever. And I'm very troubled that we're we could be in for very long hot summer if this isn't clash. These pictures are heartbreaking to watch. As was the death of George Floyd on the street on video under the knee of a police officer Frank Figliuzzi. We'll get to all of the other topics as soon as we can. Thank you very much for being part of our coverage for a lot of people especially those people in and around Baltimore Maryland. This story watching this drama across our country has been a triggering event because of the Freddie Gray case because of the violence we saw erupt there. It was after that violence that we got to know are following guest. He's Deray mckesson author activist organizer Deray. We've had reason to think of you quite a lot during this. I'm sure for all the wrong reasons. Tell us how you view what you're seeing. Play out. Not Just in Minneapolis but in Brooklyn New York in the middle of Atlanta Dallas Texas Los Angeles all tonight so remember that in March and April twenty twenty. The police had killed as many people March and April twenty twenty as they did in March April nineteen. Even Kalin. Didn't stop the killing by police officers. Which is really wild. In the third of all the people killed the United States a third of all the people killed by strangers United States that actually killed by police officer so when we think about the George Floyd killing issues it is one of four hundred at least killings have by the police just to be in the year and you know if while the March and April Twenty Twenty Mimic March and April twenty eighteen given that we were on lockdown that we're quarantine that we're seeing historic decreasing? Crime happened at the same time and communities all across the country so when I see people in the street it is frustration. Takes back to two thousand fourteen. We Ministry in Ferguson. Tony Fifteen we ministry in Baltimore is a reminder but it's also reminded of how little courage league have from political leaders to change the system in. Minneapolis is no exception in Minneapolis. Today Brian chokehold. Colds are not banned. So that restraint that the officer used with clearly wrong but it the the act of choke holding was not banned. The blasios lifted the ban on chokehold in two thousand sixteen in New York City in Saint. Paul chokehold did not pay it in Minneapolis. Half of the police officers who were fired rehired. These are choices that political leaders continue to make and then when people take to. The streets suddenly surprised by the rage. Believe me if you heard my conversation with Bill Bratton just now. The Nation's police academies not one of them teach young police officers how to kneel into the neck of a suspect while you have them on their stomach but for some reason it's done and it's done in the city streets of our country. Dreyer you like me. Do you remember when we were told. That would be walking around with a camera in their hand or pocket. Human behavior would change for the better. Do you remember that I do? You know we've seen body cameras not turn out to be a change either. Yeah that's kind of unbelievable final question to you about recovery. How do you diffused this? When do you know that enough energy has been released from the tank because clearly you've got yes you have one cop charged you've got three? Who aren't you've got the Floyd family asking for murder one? The charges murder three. How do you know when the energy is left out? And what do you do other than picking up a broom on Day One? You know if there's anything that trump has taught us which is a hard to even say it is a reminder that the government can move as quick as it wants to so tomorrow mayors all across the police chief could say we're banning olds where required de-escalation were banning shooting the moon vehicles. They could ban all of these things in I keep bringing up these policies because it used force. Policies are one of the only things that we know is proven to change. The outcomes around police killings people can do that. The mayor in Minneapolis. Press Conference Ron Chains the policy. I think that that will release a lot of attention because it would show that. There's actually a commitment to move. I think that Biden has to release something about police violence his campaign we've had conversations with the campaign but they have not released a plan around the police need to you know. Twenty nineteen was the first show ever brown were black. People were more frayed of being killed by police being killed by community about. It's sad wild so adding that people are going to continue in the streets for a while until they see leaders be courageous standing up against the apparatus our thanks to the man of the Blue Vest. The activists who became known across this country for as I said all the wrong reasons to ray. Thanks for having us into the house tonight. I appreciate you making time for us. I'm going to bring in someone. You Know Stephanie. Rawlings Blake the former mayor of Baltimore. Maryland mayor same question I ended on was how do know when the energies Ben Left. Let out of this. And what do you do day? One other than picking up a broom or is that enough as a public statement that we're going to recover the sun's GonNa rise again. Will you have to pick up a broom and you saw that in Baltimore in? It wasn't just mean does. Wasn't the police department. It was led by community leaders. Who knew that at the end of the day they had to live there? They had to be there. So offer those for those people who cared enough to come in and to protests After the protests they were gone. So yes you have to pick up a broom and you have to get to work this like mayor. A few chalance bottoms said this evening. So poignantly powerfully That we need activists. After the protests we need activists to work hand in hand with elected officials with the Police Department With our civic leaders to help build the the change that we want to see in our cities. Let me ask you. We've got a problem tonight. In Minneapolis and we're trying to chase down answers. We saw the governor again with some ceremony. Today said I'm talking about this. We are flooding zone because the city couldn't handle its own affairs last night. Well neither the city nor the state are visible tonight I was we were hard to see to police. Lines on the last live picture. We just saw of Minneapolis. But they may be fleeting. What do you think is going on behind the scenes tonight? Where's the mayor? Where is he watching? And when do you choose to make public statements all of those things? They're difficult particularly as the mayor. Because you not only are are really needed to make a public statements in real time because people need to hear from you at the same time. You have to do your job. You're managing resources. Calling other jurisdictions to get a public safety resources into your city coordinating with the governor coordinating with civic leaders community leaders all the same time people are expecting you to comment so it is. I feel the mayor's pain in Minneapolis Because I have been there that being said What's going on in? Minneapolis is very dangerous. Remain in Baltimore unlike What Bill Bratton said it in property damage is never the first Consideration is always protection of life and that that is what I was focused on so I was very careful in making sure that we didn't use the rubber bullets. We didn't use tear gas and they'll although it was I took a lot of flack Because you know some people said well. Why didn't you call in the National Guard sooner? We see what happens when you have a militarized response to the anger and the pain of generations of Particularly African Americans in in this In this country we see what happens. You have the eruptions that you see all over the country so you have to be careful and you have to have an ear to the community to know when when it's time been deflated mayor. Thank you very much for joining us and I realized that this is dicey territory. The last thing you want to criticize a sitting mayor who is going through the crisis of their administration and probably they're a adult lives. Stephanie Rawlings Blake. Former Mayor of Baltimore has been kind enough to be part of our coverage tonight. A couple of things here. I continue to listen to Minneapolis. Fire dispatched to if they're being sent to any of the open burning fires. We are seeing in the background. Were also monitoring of a what has always traditionally been a terrific local news town in Minneapolis and local news coverage. They are apparently asking all these same questions. Where's the Fire Department? Where the cops where the state police? Where's the guard because what we do see is a whole lot of people at Lavelle? She is back before a camera alley. Tell us year near the fifth precinct. And I'm told whole people are now over there. Is that the same underpass. You showed US earlier. Yes yeah. I'm on top of the underpass. Now I'm not getting into shock because I want you to be able to see what we're seeing over on the right. You can see people continuing to stream to ward it on the left. Just those traffic lights are is the free sick now. That's barriers and fencing and there are police in there. At least we saw police in there about an hour ago. But if you see just beyond the crowd the crowd converging there's no light on them at the moment so you can't see them but there are several hundred people. In fact I saw one hundred seven hundred. People just joined that crowd so we've probably got more than a thousand people just beyond the precinct and more streaming in now. This is not been closed off to traffic. Unlike South Minneapolis. They haven't put those Jersey barriers into you still got cars going in because the stop and shop over to the right. Perhaps you can. Miguel will show you. That's being held right now. They've made a whole. There's an entrance into which people are going. That Blackhawk is still above us. It's just staying above us at relatively low at an altitude circling and keeping an eye on this. The protesters are not going at the precinct. For whatever reason they went to have gotten past it. But they're gathering this area so there's some activity related to the police precinct but but not a direct confrontation at the moment but lots of stuff happening as we discussed an hour ago. There's no there's no curfew going on here whatsoever and thanks to a Zoom Lens. We can actually see. I think more than you can as you talk. We indeed cade in front of the precinct. We indeed hundreds of people in the foreground. We see first avenue the cross-strait if anyone's familiar with Minneapolis. You know that craw street. We saw the looting across the street alley. I've got a business except I'll go ahead and ask it. What was the governor talking about? Yeah I don't know Brian and look I will. I will say this that Blackhawk. There's another helicopter over there but if you look that way to downtown Minneapolis. I can't give you the shot of it. But that's their fire coming from that as you know downtown. It's not as I mentioned optically vibrant on on a night so you wouldn't expect a lot but these are in certain quarters of the place. You went over watching listening to scanners last night and you know that parts of Saint Paul and the generally little parts of things but what I think. The police have largely succeeded in doing with the National Guard. Today is dissipating the crowds. But as we're seeing in front of us they are recollecting in certain places and at that point. We're not seeing a police presence or a national guard presence to dissipate them so again. I don't know what the strategy is but it has been a while since we've seen a crowd that large that is now reassembled here right by the fifth precinct. Now remember the fourth precinct. Some tension a few years ago. The third precinct is the one that was taken by the protesters yesterday. And then retake it again today. And now we're at the fifth precinct. But they do not seem to be moving on the precinct. At the moment there just gathering also we hasten dimension with live traffic coming and going around them and no evidence. Traffic Control despite that zone having been surged by state patrol and by the National Guard Today. Alley vel she. Please stay in touch with us. Thank you for that situation. We want to bring in Felipe Cunningham. City Council member for the Fourth Ward. Which unlike where you're watching is in the northwestern portion of the city of Minneapolis councilman jump in answer. Any of the questions. I just raised. Where is law enforcement or is this? Somehow some way at intentional wave off by the mayor by the governor for a second night in the row Choosing not to flood the zone with law enforcement and not to let the Fire Department fight fires. Well first off. Thank you for having me. I'll just say that those are really valid questions even as a council member. I am asking those questions. I've been in conversations with the mayor right now really. The State is at the lead and we are having issues over here in North. Minneapolis as well and we do not have any presence whatsoever of the National Guard or state patrols and we have the buildings on fire here and note. There is no one to be found How far from is ward nine? The Ward were watching of down near the fifth precinct. Right now that is the do believe the perhaps the tenth word. Excuse me okay. I'm asking because you probably know where the Council woman who represents the ninth is saying. They've got a gas station on fire. She is begging for back up from the National Guard because that is very very apparently the only way. Minneapolis fire is going to get through and deal with that fire which she says if it's allowed to grow will take out houses next. You're watching I presume. The same live pictures were watching. We have concurrent issues here. We have a man who died in the street on camera with a police officers knee in his neck. We have all the anger and sadness over the death of George Floyd but oh by the way we also have this a city out of control parts of it inflames us for nights on end. So what are you left to do? Well what we're left to do really navigate holding multiple truths here. It is actually possible for us to have challenge in conversation around policing Minneapolis in the long traumatic history between the police and black and Brown communities here in Minneapolis and also the way that we are currently a senior at the responses to the issues that we're having on the ground in our communities is unacceptable And I think that we need to really be looking at actually the state who is now at the helm and asking them where are they and having them show up like they're supposed to again our. Thanks for making time. I realized how nerve wracking and deeply deeply troubling eight time. This must be for an elected council member in the city of. Minneapolis of a place. We all like to think of as such a good and decent place most days of the year most years but like any other big city look just a little bit under the surface and you can see the problems and now the problems have ripped open and the whole world is watching we hasten to add this is hardly the only major city in our country with big big problems tonight including but not limited to violence in the streets as we said Brooklyn New York Atlanta Georgia Louisville there on your screen Cincinnati Ohio. Another place with a tough history of race relations several cities in California including but not limited to Los Angeles. There was violence tonight in Las Vegas. The list goes on and on Denver Colorado again to compete highly graphic to put it all on one screen as live pictures would exceed our capacity because we like all the people you see on the screen tonight are operating in the middle. Let's not of a pandemic already gripping our country. Forty million people out of work that we know of forty million who have raised their hands for benefits. This is the definition of a tough time in America and it is behind so many of the pictures we see playing out. We are very fortunate to have joy. Reid taking over at the top of the hour for our live coverage. I will see you tomorrow afternoon. Three to four PM Eastern starting at noon on the West Coast as the attempted launch goes off in California attempt number two for the NASA mission.

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Fired officer who knelt on George Floyds neck charged with murder

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There's a lot to get to on a story now. Known pro copays in New York outside the Barclay Center in Brooklyn Shimon what's the demonstration in New York? It started very peaceful Anderson. There are thousands of here now by the largest demonstration that we have yet seen here in New York and it was relatively peaceful and then within the last hour has changed. The police have moved in. They could gather who are behind these barricades. You're trying to get the protesters out the other way. There are police everywhere. You can see a woman. They're taken away with a continuing to make arrests here really the last forty or so minutes. We've seen this here where police have been moving in and you could see more police officers running but this has significantly escalated here in the last forty minutes as you can see. We are being pushed as well as protesters and police here right now. Police challenging the protesters. We've seen pepper spray from the NYPD. Here some of the protesters scene officer his pepper spray. Now out and now we're seeing bottles of water bottles last bottles being thrown at police and here the police now coming in again chasing people down as they're throwing bottles at them but this started peaceful Anderson but something changed and then the police who mostly we're not denying any kind of threat for a while they let the protesters all of a sudden. Everything changed and police moved in with riot gear. They're wearing helmets here. You see another bottle being thrown and that's been going on for the last hour Anderson. More police moved in Protesters became more agitated pepper spray. Several people were pepper spray. All over their face red is to see a woman here now walking away with pepper spray but certainly to be very tense Anderson. Jefferson's Shimon of of how large a crowded is it's thousands. Some people have left but the problem now is there are people all around us so the Barclay Center in downtown Brooklyn now completely surrounded by protesters and police. But it's starting to rain here now. So hopefully that will help police but there are thousands of people here perhaps maybe as many as five thousand at one point but it was peaceful. Anderson but something changed And we saw something a fire trash can was laid on fire fireworks going off and the police now just trying to get people to move. Outta here and that's what we're seeing now but it's a very tense situation we'll We'll continue checking with you. I want to go to Washington next OUR CHIEF. White House correspondent Jim. Acosta Jim Acosta. What is the situation right now? Where were you out where you are? Where are you? I'm in Lafayette Park Anderson. Right across from the White House. You can see the White House behind me and there were several hundred protesters just a few moments ago. They're beginning to clear out of here You see about one hundred secret. Service agents lined up outside The fence of the North Lawn of the White House Anderson Within the last hour. It's it's been a very volatile seen. We have seen People being pepper sprayed We have seen some shoving and pushing Between protesters and police officers I will tell you right now. It appears the secret service has arrested at least one person outside the White House But largely I. It does seem at the moment that the secret service which as you know. Anderson is charged with the protection of the White House and the grounds and the president That they've done a pretty good job de escalating the situation We don't know everything that's happened here so far But they have managed to kind of wait out these protesters and these protesters are moving on to another part of Washington but There was one moment. I have to tell you that. Got Very tense. I was standing here in Lafayette Park. We heard some pops. I had about or seven protesters rushing toward and it just seemed as if for a moment things were getting out of control but largely Things are calming down out here in Lafayette Park and it seems as though the secret service how they do have a handle on the situation right now Anderson. All right Am Appreciative Brian. Todd is also in Washington. He's joining us now. Brian you're with the group that was in Lafayette Park. They have now left where they heading. What is it life very boisterous? It's very passionate. They're still very very angry. But are not nearly as violent as what we saw a few moments ago you heard. Jim described was not far away from Jim when that happened in Lafayette Park Crowds rushed toward us as well and pushed us to the side until the police As they were trying to subdue one young man the police really got the crowd against them at the moment turned on the police that it was pretty violent for expendable dot five minutes. At that point there was a stand in Lafayette Park not focused. Jim and I were standing a short time ago. Protesters were pushing down barricades in front of the White House and the police were setting the back up again and it got pretty tense right now. They're marching on Fifteenth Street. In one of the organizers told me they wanted to get out of the park because they thought the police were trying to him them in. But we don't know exactly where they're going they're not fifteenth street down toward the National Mall and doing some chanting. And just you know again. The they've been very passionate about sending a message to the Minneapolis protesters that they want them to kind of. Keep up the good fight. But what are the organizers? Told me what they don't want to hear the looting in the streets property damage violence while they've had some violence already. They had had some confrontations with the police. But those fizzled out. Pretty quickly Anderson and Brian. How long is this a protest been going on? When did it start? It started at about five o'clock eastern time. So excuse me a little over. Three hours and again It started out with a couple dozen people that had ballooned to a couple of hundred. And now it's a couple thousand chance behind me very very passionate. Do not want people to forget the names of George. Floyd people like Eric Garner. They keep chanting for us here. Now go down toward the national think. We're not sure exactly where it's going. They may stop again and do some impromptu speeches and maybe bought some Intersex along the way. Okay Brian we'll continue to check in with you. Go Nick Valencia. Who's in Atlanta Nick? Explain where you are. And what's happening Anderson? It's ugly out here. The situation has deteriorated fast. We understand that. These demonstrators showed up at about three o'clock this afternoon. And it's just within the last thirty minutes that things have really taken a turn for the worse. You see behind me our cameraman William Walker if you pan in there. They've just set a car on fire prior to that they were breaking windows of an Atlanta. Police cruiser you have armored vehicles SWAT team from the Atlanta Police Department as well as plain clothes officers. These demonstrators came here ready to confront the police. They began throwing objects center breaking windows. If you could pan over to see what they've left behind as that police presence push those demonstrators past CNN center. This is what they left behind graffiti. Some profanity profanity Sorry about that. Show that lie. But it's just what this is. What's really happened out here Anderson they've graffiti those CNN. Read letters broken windows out. This is where they were and as you could see happen in live in front of us. Have you WANNA pen back down there William and other demonstrators being taken into custody Anderson? We've witnessed at least six people. This is the seventh person that we've seen with our own is taken into custody. These objects were were thrown with aggression at the police. We did see tear. What we believe was tear gas fired at the demonstrators as they've been pushed back towards the main intersection. If you're familiar with downtown Atlanta that is right at the main intersection of centennial. And Ted Turner and I want to Pan to the left here William if you can because we're seeing dozens of heavy heavily armed tactical gear Atlanta Police I. It seems as though from the state police rather Anderson coming in flanked by tactical others tactical gear. I'm sorry I'm a little breathless. This is really something to see here Anderson familiar with Atlanta. You spent a Lotta time down here. This is nothing that I've ever seen happen. You know even prior to coming down here you know there was hope is in Atlanta resident. This is a place that has really missed out on a lot of the violence throughout the years especially in two thousand fifteen rash of police shootings against African American men. There were demonstrations here but nothing that turned violent. Certainly nothing like this. Hey I'm sorry officer can thank you so much I know you guys are doing. You're keeping a safe Anderson for our viewers out there from a vantage point. We're behind the Atlanta police. Line go ahead Anderson. Yeah Nikki if you can just give a sense. It's it's always hard to tell how many people are involved in this. How large this is you have any sense of obviously with crowded tarn hard to tell of crowd size because we can see some people obviously in the background and obviously we see those police armored vehicles and and in tactical years well Give a sense of the scope of we estimate on numbers. You know we hate to do that without talking to the police but just know an educated guess Anderson. There's there's over a thousand perhaps even more than that you know. Some people are wearing masks. We have we had the corona virus happening right now. You know the pandemic that hasn't gone away and you really don't know if those that have showed up or are wearing masks because they're afraid of the virus or because they want to conceal their identity while they're confronting law enforcement we have seen a lot of patients on the side of law enforcement so far here in Atlanta they were trying to reason with the demonstrators and again as I mentioned. It's within the last thirty minutes that those Individuals began throwing rocks at CNN. Center breaking those windows and that's when police made the decision decided to advance. That wasn't welcomed obvious you news. That came here to demonstrate. Go ahead and nick the vehicle that's on fire. It looks like it's a police vehicle was that obviously I assume what somebody through an incendiary device or you know we saw. We saw a black black smoke starting to come up right before we came on air with. You just started right before this live shot. We don't know what what they did to set that on fire but right before that Anderson they were breaking out the windows of police cruiser. All those cars had been parked there as a way. I assume to act as a barricade to flank the demonstrators. That were outside of CNN center. We don't know what caused that that that police vehicle the go up in flames. But it's on fire now and of course. I'm sure there's concerns about it exploding. We're we're we're we're far away enough from here But it's still You know this is this is. This is terrible witness. It's terrible the witness Anderson Nick. How long has this been going on for because I saw the crowds outside the CNN center? I think it was an hour at least an hour ago. How long has has this been going on? They've been out here warm enough for at least five hours. They got out here from according to our national debt at about three PM this afternoon And that crowd only grew in size as the evening progressed. You see now. They're all basically in front of a corner of Centennial Olympic. Park there The side of the nineteen ninety-six Atlanta ceremonies. You see now Anderson. Live pictures here. We're GONNA come back down here as William Pants down. A fire truck has shown up here to hope to extinguish those flames. You see empty water bottles projectiles. That have been fired. Littering across the streets of downtown Atlanta. Another fire truck has just shown New Year. It seemed to calm down a little bit. Another object. Just got thrown Anderson. They're still throwing objects. Yeah the I going to say I mean. It looks as if there is right now. I know if it's a standoff or just a stand down the police and it's demonstrated it doesn't look like there's interaction between the protesters and the police at this point. It seems like people are kind of watching the car burning and obviously more police are moving in that. That's right that's various observation. It doesn't seem to be any confrontation right now at this point in the second. But you know you've been in situations like this around the world you know. Things can change very very quickly So we're going to be keeping an RN. It right now but it is quite a sight to see here in downtown Atlanta. Even the police officers here Anderson. Yeah Nick I want to stay with you and your image and join loaded. Yeah Yeah just exploded and going up really fast. Obviously a hazard for everybody in that area Hopefully the fire truck can Can at least get to get to it to put out those flames joining us on the phone right now he's retired. Fbi supervisory special agent. James Galliano and Linsey. We're staying with you and your images As long as you are in a safe place James just from a There's a lot of issues talk about it and unfortunately with now a situation like this. Is We end up? Focusing a lot on the demonstrations that are taking place which are important and important to focus on because people want Want their voices heard but obviously also there is the actual killing of George Floyd to focus on as well which we will throughout this hour but just in a situation like this. There's a lot of moving parts. A lot of things can go south and a lot of different ways very fast Anderson. What we're seeing right now is is that this is metastasized. I've been I've been first of all exceedingly. Critical of the Minneapolis. Police Department officers in charged in the in the in the death of George Floyd but also what I felt was a lack of preparedness. Were Ninety six hours outside of this and just what didn't happen in time to better prepare and to to not know to not expect that there was going to be angry. Impassioned folks that were going to be that we're going to be protesting and then obviously you've got a small segment of folks that are going to be acting out. Some of them are are provocateurs. Some of them are just into writing and looting and those types of things. We had to be better prepared. This is now exploding out an and I don't mean to use that term literally but as I'm watching these scenes on on television with you That's what's happening and it takes me back. I am from Atlanta. It takes me back to Nineteen ninety-two a young FBI agent my father worked at Georgia State University. Which is right around the corner from the CNN building down there. We're looking at these scenes and I remember small pockets of of of riots and protests. Broke out what I'm doing right now. This this takes me back to nineteen sixty eight. And it takes me back to Nineteen ninety-two in the Rodney King riots. It takes me back to two thousand fourteen in two thousand fifteen the Baltimore riots to Ferguson Rights. How are we not learn to be better prepared? You know police have ever a tough job here. There's no doubt about it. They've got a dispersant control crowds. They've got to maintain public order. They've got to stop. You know riders in the looting. That's going on. They've got a direct the peaceful protesters in the innocent bystanders. Out of harm's way and what we're seeing right now is. We're seeing property damage we're seeing. We're seeing potential for people to be injured and and some people say well or they suggest it's just property this is people's livelihoods so for burning cars and we're burning Stores these people have no way to recover from that quickly especially now were businesses are dealing with the pandemic in dealing with you know having sales down this. This is frightening to watch the guy that was a swat team leader and a hostage rescue team member in the FBI. This is frightening it. You know we don't want the police to look act like an occupying force but in incidents like this the only way to disperse crowds is to have a big enough force as a deterrent and Anderson. I'm just not seeing it. Obviously when you talk about the time line of of of demonstrations that we have seen You know the the other flipside way to look at it as the sadness that we are still in a situation where people feel there is no other option but to take to the streets to hear their have their voices heard When we have seen time and time again injustices occurring And and people dying and new Palencia. It is You know we have seen this before it is. I feel like obviously not this particular permutation of it but and again it's it's I think a mistake to just focus on on the demonstrations which are taking place and not the underlying reasons that people are out in the streets because those whether it's nine hundred sixty eight or nine hundred ninety two or or right now you know the places change and the names of those who have been killed changes but this this continues this this this lack of understanding this dehumanisation of others It's gotTa stop. Somehow you know this is a group Anderson that's tired of remembering names as hashtags. This is a group that's clearly feels as though their voices not heard you know there's that famous quote from Martin Luther King Uprising is the voice of the unheard. There is clearly anger and you know you combine that with what's going on right now with pandemic with people home people home from work you know. We're leading into the weekend here. They saw what happened today in Minneapolis. I spoke to so many people that saw. We're so angered with what happened today. With our reporter Omar Jimenez. You know this is not lost on this crowd here. And you're right you know. We can't just focus on the cursory images here that we see. It is shocking shocking to our senses. This is not something that we're used to seeing here in Atlanta fourteen years. I've been here something like this hasn't happened in more than a generation. Here you know you just had somebody on talking about nineteen sixty eight. I'm sure people that were alive. Then look at images like this behind me now and hearken back to that day want to give you an update of what just happened here in the last several minutes Anderson. There's people here on the rooftops behind me. That are behind the police line as they've started to advance those individuals that you see in baseball caps and t-shirts or part of a crowd that began just about five minutes ago. Throwing projectiles soda cans bottles. Things like that down on the police as they began to push those demonstrators back towards the intersection of Marietta and Centennial Olympic. Park that car. That was on fire that we saw just moments ago has been contained. The police it seems as though have made an advancement past those lines. Those cars that were here know armored vehicles just the sight of that and these fire trucks and the graffiti that's left behind our workplace Anderson. This is not. It's not something that you want to see anywhere in America. Nick I want to go to our Sara side Who IS IN MINNEAPOLIS? Where curfew is set to go into effect. I believe in about forty minutes or so as I said about forty minutes from. Now what's the situation What are people saying to you? We are just down the street from third precinct which you watch burn last night and you'll see that Protesters and police face to face here Yes the curfew starts in about forty minutes and basically. They've been chanting down three to go. What they are referring to as one officer has been arrested and charged. They believe three more need to be arrested in charge because they believe justice cannot be done unless those officers are charged and ultimately they would like to see those officers. Convicted obviously The justice system has to go through Normal course but right now they are where they keep talking about the curfew. They're aware of it. They're counting down to it and we've been listening to people. Say Look if you want to be out here and get arrested you can stay but just keep safe. So there is clearly folks that May Not leave in. That curfew comes along about how it's kind of a physical sense of where you are where this is happening in Minneapolis. And also the EBB and flow of this at a time. You've been there now for several days. What is sort of the course of events from a time like this now to throughout the evening so this crowd is much smaller. He'll than has been in the past seventy two hours But I'll give you a sense of where we are flying. You see here Anderson. Yesterday you saw me standing right there with the wine and spirits right outside of that and then we moved a little bit beyond that to the intersection. Where you will see the third precinct. Now the third precinct fire yesterday. We watched it as it happened. And so that has been destroyed and there are no officers in that precinct But this is just one side of the street. Basically what's happened? Is that police in the National Guard. Have cordoned off huge swaths of this neighborhood. Much of it has been burned. There are at least a dozen buildings that were on fire or have burned completely threw. And so there's a whole perimeter that's been set up here. Protesters were inside. And I'll have steak kind of pushed the camera. This way they were inside the area. See that is absolutely empty. There is no one inside that that's where they have set up the perimeter and now the protesters were coming up to where the police line is on this side. There's also a police line on the other side where there are protesters. All the way around there are protesters coming up to the police line and look we should again reiterate mentioned that. George Floyd is the reason for this but it is not just George. All the cases before for Casteel Jabbar Clark is white. People are so heated and feel so passionate about being out there. We'll see if they actually go when the curfew hits at eight o'clock which is in about Thirty five Yeah Sir. Aside and appreciated Be careful but I think for their joining us now is Benjamin crump. Who's representing the Floyd family? Mr Trump. Thanks very much for joining us. I'm wondering what the Floyd family reaction is to this. The the one officer at least now being charged were Anderson. They were relieved that he was arrested. High of as they said with much conviction they expect first degree murder and they won't first degree murder and they begin to tell me stories about how when they were little boys. When I was talking to brothers George will always Sleep on the edge of the bed. They shared a bed in how he will put his brother. Rodney in the middle with he always was there for them and to see him die like that until the Dow will that police officers me on his neck and the fact that the last three minutes he was unconscious and the fact that they told me. We saw him urinate on himself. They adjust outraged that they would not charge him with first degree murder. Because they said you treat they treat. It hid a less than they would treat a doll the the charging document I've read. I'm sure you have have gone over. Very carefully. Equates the autopsy preliminary autopsy it says or claims that the autopsy quote revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart combined effects of Mr Floyd being restrained by the police is underlying health conditions in any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. I know you have called in. The family. Wants an independent autopsy. And I can certainly understand. Why does that make any sense to you? Does that sound like. It's that certainly seems like something that's going to be used by the defense in any trial. Family does not trust the Minneapolis Police Department or anybody. Affiliated with the Minneapolis Police Department Anderson. Remember the first report that came out. They gave so much false information in that report. Talking about a George was resistant. Talking about George was threatening as saying that he died of a medical condition. Never once midget in the fact that this office had his knee on his met. Not For just one minute not for just two minutes out for just three minutes now for just four minutes not for just five minutes not for just six minutes not for just seven minutes with eight minutes and I do that on. A family's behalf for dramatic effect because people need to understand that last eight minutes of his life. He was struggling to breed. He was telling them I couldn't breathe and they offer him no humanity so when this autopsy by the city's medical examiner says that had nothing to do with his death. We understand. They did the same thing to Eric. Garner. And we're not going to allow that to happen this time. And that's why you see those people. Protest in Minneapolis protesting in New York and Washington DC ATLANTA BECAUSE AFRICAN AMERICANS ADJUST UP will be on killing black people. The people are supposed to protect service so we will have an independent. Our topsy band performed by the Michael Baden and we will get to the truth of the matter because we know we witnessed terrible crime. That happened to George. Floyd in that cram was murdered George. Floyd was not only being held down. He was narrating his own death. He was explaining the stages of his death as it was happening. And it's one of the things that so sickening about seeing that video we now have seen another video from another vantage point in which we see. Actually there were a number of officers actually on Mr Floyd and in the charging document itself. There's a lot of really damning stuff there for the officers. Obviously the fact that one officer says points out that he is seems to be in distress asks if they should put him over on his side. The officer WHO's now been charged says No. He's staying exactly where he is. Which means he's staying down face down on the ground with my knee in his neck and even after the officer cannot find a pulse and they're all aware he can't they can't find a pulse that officer who's now been charged does not remove his knee from the neck of Mr Floyd for some two minutes at least and that's why joins flaws family an people. All of America is saying. How can they not shaw first degree murder? The fact that this. Da even came out yesterday and added insult to injury when he said that there may be evidence that proves there was no crime and we were jess. His family. Georgia's family was just disgusted. Because you've made to tell me you're saying that you still can't arrest all of these offices based on what we see on this video and they feel that this is just like they did in Gone they just tried to delay. Come of all kinds of ways to justify the justifiable killing of yet. Another anonymous black human being and his family wants the world to know that they're going to keep their foot on the net of these offices until they are convicted. Just Light. He kept his me on the neck of their brother. They're gentle giant Benjamin crump. I appreciate talking to you. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances as always when I talked to but thank you coming up next how prosecutors can make the case and the challenges that they face later more on the question of presidential leadership at this moment the incredible thing that the president decided to tweet late last night early this morning about what is happening in Minneapolis and how all this fits into long arc of American history. Dr Cornel West joins us as well. We expect a lot from our homes. They're more than a place to hang your hat. Your home is where you try your handed gardening and new recipes rest and recharge work and play. And that's why at homeadvisor we're committed to keeping your home up and running no matter what from the projects creep up on you like appliance repairs Gutter cleanings and faucet fixes to the ones you look forward to like creating your very own backyard retreat worthy of a summer vacation. We'll find local pros to help you get the job done right. 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Charges against one of those officers. Certainly it has not tamp down the anger more now on the question of what goes into making a murder case against a police officer and some of the medical issues factoring into it twentieth for that. Gloria Browne Marshall a professor of constitutional law. At New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice and author of Race Law American Society. Sixty seven to present also with US chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin CNN chief medical correspondent Dr Sanjay. Gupta a Jeff. The fact that that officer show Vin kept his knee on George Floyd's Knack for eight minutes including two minutes after two minutes and fifty three seconds almost three minutes after they knew he did not have a pulse after he was non responsive. How damning is that? And how is it that the how damning is that well as as a a prominent Minnesota lawyer said to me today? This is an in an indefensible case. I mean there is no way officer show. Vin Can win at trial. I think. And there's one more very important fact that you didn't mention which was that. George Fluid was handcuffed. So the the usual argument that that is heard when a police officer is charged with some sort of misconduct with regard to a citizen that. I felt threat to the officer and juries are often very responsive to that because police officers do deal with threats but George Floyd was hand so he couldn't possibly a threat to these officers and I think that's what makes this case originally opened in shot at least against over officer Chopin and then we'll see about the the other three. Were likely to be with at least some crimes as well. Professor Brown Marshall. Are You as confident as Jeff? Toobin third degree murder charge is obviously much different than second or first degree which you know. The family would like to see her first degree murder charge. The prosecutor in this case did leave open the possibility of more charges. What do you think of this case based on what we know now and what you read in the charging documents will even though the family wants first degree murder? It sounds like that's a great thing except it requires planning and premeditation. And I don't think we have that here we have a diabolical soul who will hinder blood thirst. But I don't know if they can prove that it was planned or premeditated they do have another officer officer lane. Who pulled a gun for no reason whatsoever and I think for no other reason than that gun That officers should be arrested. Well it's also professor startling when you read in the charging document that one of the officers raised concerns about Mr Floyd's condition suggesting or asking about you know asking other officers about maybe putting him on his side and that and that was turned down immediately and even after they couldn't find a pulse to keep the knee. This man's need this officers knee. Mr Floyd's neck for for nearly three minutes is that. What makes this case so clear? I think this is clear but I also think we have to go back to how many times we've had where we thought would be a clear case with a video only to be rebuffed by of prosecutors who are not do their job properly would not return an indictment using the same skill they would use with us a billion billion grind and the undermining of the case by jurors who come onto the case lying to say be unbiased. Who decided they're going to let the officer off no matter what there are so few of the with that? You can't be confident. I claim that this is part of a genocidal commission of people who have decided that this is what they WANNA do execute black people and they can do it with impunity. And that's why the protests are so impassioned because we clearly see that this is these murders that go on. Every single year are part of a pattern of American history of killing Blackie Sunday. We don't have the full autopsy report family. Says they want their own. You can understand their point of view on this. The complaint as I mentioned earlier does details some information from it stating there were no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. What does that mean? Does that? If I mean if it's not strangulation sitting on somebody and who's saying they can't breathe and their chest is able to rise and fall with breath but this man died. Yeah I mean that's what a lot of people are going to read about but I don't think that I'd read too much into that. I mean if there was a physical evidence that would be clear. There was physical evidence but no physical evidence there of traumatic strangulation doesn't really mean anything. Because people can still essentially officiate without that physical evidence. And that's probably the biggest takeaway. They're also look. I mean you know you have other other things. That could have happened to him. I mean the carotid arteries which are supplying blood flow to the brain. Were they being compressed? He was in a really sort of unnatural position. There as you mentioned he was prone. It's just harder to breathe got somebody's standing on your neck and your prone makes it even more challenging. The point is that there could be lots of different things that could cause this. They also wrote in that report that he has this underlying history of cardiac disease and possible. Intoxicants mean first of all possible. Intoxicants I just threw in there. Because yes it's possible but they have not verified that those lab results are forthcoming. Really probably has no relevance here and a lot of people have some underlying heart disease. Fact of the matter is that those things did not precipitated death right now also. I will say more more thing. They check for a pulse. Not only did they not take a his his knee off of his neck but even afterwards when the paramedics arrived. I was reading this report. He's put onto a stretcher clearly. A pulse Lewis unresponsive. Gentlemen put onto a stretcher by paramedics. First thing you do you start. Cpr You try and resuscitate nothing like that even happened. They just put them into the ambulance and drove away. So it's really quite striking on point about that ultimately it's going to be up to the jury to decide weather the this officer or all the officers caused this data and good luck to a defense attorney telling a jury no no no eight minutes of a knee on the neck. Didn't cause his staff. I mean I think common sense plays of hard here and if the jury jeff a lot of people said that during seeing the Rodney King video also thought that and a jury a thought otherwise. So as you know things yeah Gloria Brown Marshall. Thank you Jeffrey. Toobin Dr Gupta. Thank you as well joining us. Now is Dr Cornel West professor of the Practice Public Poe Philosophy at Harvard University and Professor Evidence at Princeton University Dr West. I'm glad we're talking tonight. What are your thoughts watching these images tonight around the country people in the streets and the the horrific images we saw of George Floyd and what is happening. I just want to begin by extending my condolences to the Fluid family They exemplify spiritual nobility has very important long history. Forty years of black people having to come to terms with these kinds vicious murders and assassinations and and attacks a now no avenue. Addison says the little brother Wyatt Morgan made his appearance and then in the midst of all of this ugly greed and hatred and corruption is rampant and also celebrate birth and reverence here. But I think what what what we're experiencing here though brother and I say this in all honesty and deep sadness because you know I've been trying to bear witness whole fifty three years Telling the Truth and tremendous say something about the least of these but I think we are witnessing America as a failed social experiment. And what I mean by that. Is that the history of black people for over two hundred and some years and in America has been looking at America's failure its capitalist economy could not generate and deliver in such a way that people can live lives of decency the nation state. It's criminal justice. System is legal system could not generate protection of rights and liberties and now our culture of course so market-driven everybody for sale everything for sale. It can't deliver the kind of to kind of really real nourishment for soul for meaning for purpose. And so when you get this perfect storm of all of these multiple failures at these different levels of the American empire. It Martin King already told us about that when I saw those pictures there in Atlanta you could see Martin right there in Atlanta thing. I told you about militarism. I told you about poverty. I told you about materialism I told you about racism and all of its forms. Whatever forms it takes I told you about xenophobia phobia. And what we've seen in America's now these chickens coming home to roost. You reap in what you're so in this instance you have brother George. Where it is. So clear it is a lynching at the highest level. Nobody can deny I. Thank God that we have people in the streets. Can you imagine this kind of lynching taking place and people aren't different? People don't can people callous. You have just a few people out there with signs. I recall the moments in which during the Reagan years. There was a few of out there in the sixties you had masses out there. Now you've got a young generation of all of these different colors and genders and sexual orientation thing. We won't take any longer but you know what's sad about it. Oh brother at the deepest level. It looks as if the system can not reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. Too often are black. Politicians professional class class become to accommodated to the capitalist economy to accommodate it to the militarized nation state to accommodate it to the market driven culture. Time what celebrity status power fame all that superficial stuff that means so much to so many fellow citizens and what happens. What happens is we got a neo-fascist gangster in the White House. Who really doesn't care for the most part you gotTa Neil Liberal wing of the Democratic Party that has now in the driver's seat with with the collapse brother Bernie and they don't really know what to do all they want. Us show more black faces show more black faces but oftentimes these black faces on losing legitimacy too because the black lives matter movement emerged under a black president black attorney general and Black Homeland Security and they couldn't deliver you see so that when you talk about the masses of black people the precious poor and working class black people poor and working class brown red yellow whatever Kulla. They're the ones who are left out and they feel so thoroughly powerless helpless hopeless. Then you get rebellion and we've reached the point. Now it's a choice between non violent revolution and by revolution. What I mean is the democratic sharing of power resources wealth and respect if we don't get that kind of sharing you're going to get more violent explosions now. The sad thing is that as neo-fascist moment in the White House you got some neo-fascist brothers and sisters out there who are already armed they show up there the US capital and they don't get arrested they don't get put down President Resi extraordinary thing. You how you have these white. We can't have these white weekend warriors showing up as if they're former special forces ops when they're not busting into the State House and the president praises those people and yet everybody else is a thug. To the president he quotes a white sheriff from the South in sixty seven. Or maybe sixty eight. I mean that's if you wrote that in a movie people would say there's no way. The president of the United States would quote a southern sheriff on the night that a great city country is is seeing people in the streets. I mean exactly right. It's but it's also I guess the true to yourself. He's being true to himself. He's saying what he really feels. It's so you see what I mean but I said we have to recognize to because I don't like to talk to of course. I got some thug in me. I know I've got some gangster meet a Christian. I gotTA fight it every day. What does that mean that means? We HAVE TO CALL PEOPLE WHO? They are neo-fascist thug and the White House calls my brothers and sisters in the street thugs. So the question becomes. How do we keep alive? Moral spiritual standards allies standing contact with humanity. All of us across the board but recognizing were living in a moment of massive Economic Kaplan capitalist economy failure when it comes to delivering the needs the nation state failure to protect critical criminal justice system failure to be fair you see and the only only response we have is the Samuel Beckett. My brother try again fell again failed. Better try again fail again. Fail better because white supremacists going to be around for a long long long long long long time trying again. Rises happens again dry again. Try Try again fail again. Fail Better Blues Line of our brother but but but the question is only must fight even in a moment in which we have a failed social experiment we must fight and we must have anti fascist coalition against what's going on in the White House Republican Party where to tell the truth about the milk toasts cowardly activity too often that we see on a neo liberal wing the Democratic Party and we must be critical of ourselves in terms of keeping alive the highest moral and spiritual standards of Martin Luther King Junior and Fannie Lou Hamer Ella Baker and you see it at work in the soul of brother George fluid famine Dr Cornel West. I appreciate your time tonight and off lovey-dovey thank you thank you doing more searching than streaming these days say hello to HBO. Max The new way to stream all of HBO. God is the greatest collection of movies. Brin meal produced meters joker alive td Zinger. I knew Max originals for everyone in the family all of your favorites all in one place to go on warning just you and me. Hbo Max Start Screaming Today. Download the APP or visit. Hbo Max Dot Com to start your free trial free. Trials for new customers only restrictions apply. Let's go back to Brian. Todd in Washington Brian. Where you now? We're on independence avenue right by the capital. Our journalist Jane down to where we had a very tense moment here just a short time ago. These protesters are still here. Most of the protesters who were here by police cars that were at this spot have now left a moment ago. They were really menacing a police car at a couple of the police officers who were by screaming and they had their hands on the car. They were you know they were. They were menacing the police and the car. We thought might be no more of an incident but this gentleman here in the orange vast. He's one of the protests leaders. He got the crowd back away. Then the police back cars away you can see down Independence Avenue there down there right now. They've was again. It was a very tense moment. We thought that something might happen to the police. Car But cooler heads prevailed on both the police side and one of the protest leaders. This gentleman over here. He really got the Crab Tobacco Way. So the crowd has moved dot way on Independence Avenue and the police course of Back Down Independence Avenue more toward the mall so a tense moment averted here but it. It looked pretty bad for two minutes here. Anderson without is a little bit of good news there. Bryan appreciate it. Be careful there's been apparently got another development. Minneapolis want to go back to our Sara side Sir. What's going on? Hey let's go sir. What's going on we Anderson? We are now hearing lots of loud explosions that is tear. Gas has been deployed. The police line here earlier. Another explosion you see you see what that is all about. Smoke is is tear gas the the line of officers the state police and the sheriff's department that you saw earlier they're gone. They have backed up because we weren't anywhere near the another. Explosion of tear-gas all right. I'm GonNa let you see for the first time today. Since they cordoned this off that is the third precinct right there Anderson. You see that it is definitely damaged from fire. You can also see that acrid smoke. Stike I'm going to let you back up because you're GonNa get that in your eyes is GonNa Burn. Folks are tears in their eyes. As this gas comes closer and closer. It is extremely strong I'm going to turn around now to show what is happening the streets. We have been away from this area day. This is where the state police and the National Guard over. There had stopped people from coming anywhere near this area. We do not know why they backed up. But we do know that there is a curfew that starts in nine minutes so in nine minutes you are supposed to be out of this area and back home. Not on the streets. There are people that have absolutely no intention of doing that. Absolutely not tension all right more flashed through to know at this point. We can you tell Sarah from your vantage point. Why the tear gas is going off in that location does it. Obviously it seems like a different group. Yes I can show you why if I can get just a little bit. Closer careful guys There is a line of police until they move back from about. Here's the police. You see them. Those are state police. This line is getting hit pelted by rocks and bits of concrete so they are responding with tear gas. But this line moved back and we still don't know exactly why but we are eight minutes until the eight o'clock curfew here in. Minneapolis outside of the third precinct which was set ablaze as we watched it. Go Up last night you're seeing incoming rocks coming at the state police. They're just over there to your left. You see the target foods. They coordinate this entire place off but all of a sudden they are now gathering in one area And that is why you're seeing whole of the explosions. They are responding. You see the rocks being thrown the they are responding with tear gas At this moment in time sir. We're we're going to stay with you and your images and you also just want to bring in a Bukhari sellers as well. Former South Carolina Democratic State lawmaker author of the new book my vanishing country Because he just says you see these images and hear what Sarah is saying about Minneapolis. I'm wondering what your thoughts are tonight both to to what's happening in the streets and also what's happening in the legal system and what's happening in America that that's a rich question. I heard a lot of your guests. Talk about nineteen sixty eight in this does hearken back to nineteen sixty eight. I know your viewers alike regarding born in nineteen eighty four. You know by nineteen sixty eight. I will Tom Brokaw called in boom. He wrote he wrote a book called a boom nineteen sixty eight because February eighth nineteen sixty at the ORANGEBURG massacre And that's what my father was shot on when three others Smith Samuel Hamilton. Delfino Middleton were killed Twenty eight others were shot along with my father on the campus of South Carolina State University. You also had the assassination of Doctor King April Fourth of sixty eight and then you had this assignation Robert Kennedy. You combine that with the uprisings that you have from soldiers coming back home from Vietnam. This is very reminiscent of that year. In so I I share that story with you particularly about my father because I want people to understand that. We are only one generation away in that trauma that many people many black cloak are displaying in the streets. Right now is a very real trauma. It's a perpetual briefing breathing in. That's what you're seeing. That's the underlying cause You know not only am I son of the Civil Rights movement and I. I love brother Cornell West but Ma Father. I sharing too many of the same experiences you know. He's seventy five on thirty five and I've already buried a good friend who was worshiping in a church. Five years ago along with eight others. He had him until and Jimmy Lee Jackson. He had goodman showrunner. And Cheney I have to Mir rice in Alton Sterling in garden and Brianna in George in Ahmad in so as much progress as we made Anderson we still have yet aways to go and I want to just take brother West. If you give me one second I'M GONNA take brother. West statements just one step further because there are a lot of white folks watching this program and trying to figure out. What can they do and that is an interesting question because the first thing you have to realize it anal black cloak to cure racism in this country. I'm sick and tired of people thinking that in the second thing is this is what the president fails it because he doesn't have the empathy or the nuance to understand this. You have to waste. You can either be racist or anti racist. That's it. That's the only choice you have in. This country is not good enough simply. Sit At home and say I'm not a racist you have to be. Antiracist you have to root this out and it's incumbent on people to have a as you said we have to have. Conversations centered around understanding empathy. So we can begin to heal the dividing this country because racism is killing. Black hope is killing us through Kobe and his killing us on the streets of places like Minneapolis. Now before I WanNa Bring Sarah into the conversation era. Explain what's What's going on if you can. I can't so I want to get you to pictures on the other side of the street rocks are coming. You're seeing the national guard coming on this side of the street. Look what you look at what you were looking at. These are folks who feel like you. Streets belong to them and they are taking a knee with their hands up trying to show that they are peaceful protesters that but they believe. These streets are their streets. And you'll hear that chanted often this side of the protest absolutely peaceful quiet hands up standing although in the street right near the third precinct. Like I'm going to have you move. Because they were making a move you see the vehicles the military vehicles the National Guard there Anderson. They are rolling. Pass the first place to burn here. During these protests the autozone to my right that is the third precinct. They're they're rolling past third precinct. There has been an announcement telling people that it is time to clear the streets because there is an eight o'clock curfew chanting say is named George Ward. That is what people are here for their here in response to the video they saw a George Floyd dying and they are not planning on leaving. It is very clear that they are the citizen citizens that belong to these streets and that this is their home and they're not going anywhere even though there is a curfew that begins in two minutes. Now you're gonNA start seeing people roll back because all right all right us go all right so just smoke. That's that's that's that's bang but it's but it's what it is that right. There is not tear gas but you are seeing tear gas being deployed as well Here that's just smoked to try to get people to move back but again folks are moving back but they're not leaving this group of people. There were more people out here earlier. Who decided to go home some parents with children but these folks believe that this is just. This is wrong to them to them. These streets are now. There's some of them are taxpayers. And they just absurd. Do Not WanNa go. They're paying their anger. Their frustration is still very very very high. And they don't feel like I should leave Anderson just from those who are just joining us the third precinct which burn fat is a past that red brick building to your left. Where's that police? We saw a line of police in riot gear. Tactical you're coming in. I don't see the police anymore. Are they now just off to the sides yes. This is a really interesting tactic that I haven't seen before you've covered these protests as well when happened in other places in the country. I just never seen the completely leave a place again. Last night there was no police presence whatsoever at a certain hour. And that is why you see the damage to the third precinct. Bear people just decided that there I are was going to be pointed at that now that tear gas right there. So we're going to back up a little bit The colored you see the smoke color gas that gas is not tear gas but this is and it is potent and strong Anderson. Sir I'm GonNa tell a hand things over to Chris Cuomo for for Cuomo. Prompt Time Chris.

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Jim Gray: "Talking to GOATs"

Powerhouse Politics

27:11 min | 6 months ago

Jim Gray: "Talking to GOATs"

"Big news from dell their biggest event of the year is here and your getting early access. Black friday is officially on. That's right dell is giving you major discounts on computers with intel core processors call eight hundred buy dell or dell dot com slash blackfriday powerhouse politics. I'm abc news. Chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. This political director recline a very refreshing change of pace. Here we are joined now by jim. Gray the winner of twelve national sports emmy awards somebody who has interviewed. I mean just about everybody. You could imagine from mohammad-ali to tom brady every. Us president from gerald ford to the guy. That's currently at least for the moment. Still living at sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue and jim is the author of a new book talking to goats the moments you remember and the stories. You never heard jim. Thank you for joining us. Hey john thanks so much. It's great to have a front row with you. You're in the front row of a sports show here. I got to tell you this. I think you are the first guest on this podcast that we have booked for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with either donald trump or anything related to donald trump in a long time. So this i think this is like a history past. We're glad to have you first of all. Congratulations on the book. It's doing really well. And and i think that the timing actually turned out to be brilliant Giving giving people chance to dive into something You know something different. So jim before it gets in my first question a full disclosure here I had the great opportunity to hang out with you at in atlanta super bowl fifty three and i remember being at lunch with you on the saturday before the super bowl sunday. And you got to call. And i'm looking and it's tom brady. It's tom brady and of course. Tom brady has written the introduction for your book. I don't know if you gave them advice. The game ended up winning that game as well. Of course he performed without advice for me. I'll give everyone these super bowl. You know unbelievable you you thought. It was ballard jet exactly. We all thought it was bella. Check when it was really jim. Gray all right. Let's let's rewind and go back to to the beginning or Near the beginning. I mean you you first of all i mean you when you're breakthrough moments was mohammed ali. Bring us back to. What was that like the first time. You're interviewing mohamed. Ali tell tells that story. John was eighteen years old a sports intern at gabe. Tv channel nine the abc affiliate in denver At that time and they were converting from filmed videotape. So my sports internship ended in my of soft in my freshman year after six months. And so they asked me. Did i wanna learn how to be a videotape editor. So i said sure absolutely it will. All the film guys took the buyout out. They didn't wanna learn new craft. So bunch of people were hired as videotape editors and really didn't know the craft it was brand new so so it was a great job for me and i was in my edit booth one morning and i was editing for for the draft. The nfl draft and the broncos coach was a man name. Red miller and so i was editing. The red miller show and then came. This woman sues was the assignment editor. She said you were the sports intern. So you know something about sports said yes. So why she said mama dolly's two and a half hours early at the airport can't find anybody. Please go out and interview well back then. There were no cellphones. There were no beepers. It was seven thirty in the morning. If you didn't answer your home phone you know nobody could find you. So i run out to the airport stapleton international airport in denver. I don't have a coat and tie. It went into weatherman office and he was just a little bitty guy's name was stormy rodman. I considered About five foot three. And so anyway i showed up and there was ali and as i sat down and ask the first question is you're the one doing the interview while the whole entourage last but that put me at ease. They weren't laughing at me. They were laughing. You know just at the circumstance you know. I wasn't even shaving it and And and that just kind of put me at ease. Took all the edge off because ali was having fun. You wasn't poking fun at me. He was he. Just you know. It was just funny and i said yeah i'm doing it. And then the third or fourth question the response was you sound like the local howard cosell. Wow let me tell you some john. I never had such a great compliment in my life. I grew up watching howard cosell. I love alley. Cosell panda and what that but that was and i was mesmerized by them in so that just that just you know filled me with with such joy and such confidence in a really has ever since you know that just gave me you know so much. Inner it joy really and and and so i came back. He gave me forty five minutes. Ali i was editing myself out in the news director of the man who ran the bureau roger ogden walked in roger knew me but he didn't really know me much had spent any time with me. Great man Looked at it for forty five minutes. He said play that again. So i played it again while i was editing myself out. They weren't gonna put me on. Tv in looked at it after the second time and he was mesmerized by ali. And he said you and this videotape are going on the air. It's barely adequate. So i tell everybody john. I've been barely adequate. Hey that's that's a good start. Barely adequate. I like it. I like it what it what it. What a statement. Though co sal have always found that relationship One of the most fascinating between a news figure in a new you know a reporter and a and a new subject of leeann cosell. You know we never would have known mohammed ali. In the way we knew him he would have been a great athlete and he would have had his social spans and he would have changed the world but we wouldn't have come to know him in the fashion that we got to know him or in the intimate way that we became familiar with him had not been for howard cosell. They brought out the best in each other. Muhammad was a brilliant mind obviously and in going blaze that trail regardless of who was talking to him. But howard howard was really unique in special and and outright great really and And because of howard you know we have we have. We've gained so much more about the life of muhammad ali. I think that's a fascinating a gym and and to pick up on that team. You know we're we're coming off an election that Actually featured quite a few prominent sports figures. Lebron james Steph curry among those. Who were pretty outspoken. We saw president trump of using the reflected. Glory of bobby knight lou holtz and friendships with tom. Brady brett farve throughout curious. Your take on this because mohammed ali was a very political person. So was jackie robinson. Bill russell's kareem abdul-jabbar. I feel like there's a perception that athletes have become more political more more willing to engage in politics recently but to my mind at least there's a there's a long line. What have you seen over decades of talking to people like this about how they view how they view their voice in the context of broader american society. Well their voices just died in. And that's the internet and social media. So you know when muhammad ali did what he did. You know there was three television networks. And if you go back and you read david. Brinkley's book he says. The news is what i make it. That's a powerful statement so he had twenty two minutes to inform the country. What he thought was most important in the world so now you know everybody has a cell phone. Everybody has a camera. And so you're you're you're constantly available and you're constantly being recorded and so everything is amplified and everything is taken to another level so i can't imagine what things would have been like a back in ali's day. Just think about. Jesse owens running in berlin in the statement that that made okay to to stand up against arian white supremacy And to beat hitler in his own backyard. So and marty glickman Not being permitted to run in germany a great broadcaster terrific good terrific man because he was jewish. So you know you you look back over the course of time and back then it. was you know. Radio and radio became television and television became cable. Television and cable. Television became satellite television than you know. We could see everything everywhere around the world in a heartbeat at moment's notice and then al gore decided to invent the internet. I'm sorry mr gore though. Just a pathetic easy anyway. The internet with the internet the internet was was invented. and and and you know and it in its infancy. You've got mail and so that that kinda changed the way everybody started to communicate in. We go all the way up here. Not a facebook and twitter all of these social media. Avenues that that convey a message in a heartbeat. And and if you look at it you see where the power lies and you see. I mean look at twitter took down tunisia and caused the arab spring in egypt. And and and and and it's just so so powerful and and what athletes found is that their voices can be heard without having to go through you know. Abc news or cbs news or nbc. Or cnn or fox news or whoever and espn in my instance for a long time. Sports figures across the country communicated with each other through the power of espn. They don't have to now. They can go to youtube or they can go to. What's at whatever it is that they have. It's right at their fingertips. So that's the biggest change so i don't necessarily know that that athletes are more political. I just think that it's highlighted. More and their thoughts and feelings are so much more readily available that you think it's all the time it may have been all the time before but it didn't get in front of us. John mentioned the interviews with with us presidents. And we've had a series of presidents who are very closely associated with sports. George w bush of course an owner of the texas rangers. Brock obama an avid fan of basketball filling out brackets in in the white house itself of during march madness of other. donald trump. do not who associates himself with these. Golf clubs likes to brag about his golf game. You got a funny story about about him grasping for superlatives. An interview with you Shortly before he became president. But i'm curious your take on. How presidents have viewed sports in your estimation when you're interviewing them they. They don't view sports it's merely a diversion. It strikes me that you've got a series of presidents you probably about teddy roosevelt on us. Who see the power of sports something broader and. I'm just curious. Your your interactions with presidents them reacting relating to sports so. I think that i've gone back in the enough to interview the last night. Going all the way back to richard nixon. And so i i think that they i think that all of them really are to the best of my knowledge had a love for sports some more so than others in some all of different areas Jimmy carter used to love to go to baseball games. Okay and he was a big braves fan and so you know that that that that brought him a lot of joy george w bush got to do the thirty thirty first pitch with him the documentary a about what. He's out the first pitch at yankee stadium at after a few short weeks of of the tragedy of nine eleven know he was a managing general partner of the texas rangers. So he'd love baseball. Barack obama played basketball as much as he could. When it wasn't interfering with what he had to do in the oval office he he would go over and have a regular basketball game also love golf. They all mostly have had a love for golf president. Ford i got to play numerous rounds with president. Ford a funny story. It's in the book the ten talking to goats When president ford turned ninety. He asked me. could i come play golf with him. So i went played. And i asked him what he had gotten for his birthday. Betty said and he said that betty had given her chipping and putting lessons and i started to laugh and he said. Why are you laughing. I said you really think at this point. It's gonna help. She thinks it's going to help. And he said it's never too late to improve so He loved golf. Bill clinton Lover of golf president trump. Obviously all the golf courses in the two hundred plus times that he's played the during during his administration that is exercise Ronald reagan was a sportscaster when he started. That was first job. Okay so you can trace back. At least the ones that i have been in the company of And george h w bush Love golf with baseball player. Yale and he wanted to speed up the game of golf. You know the bush family. The w stands for walker george herbert walker bush walker created the walker cup which is one of the stables one of the great golfing events. goes back and has a tremendous story of the walker cup. So when you look at at at the folks who've occupied that office at least in my time and you can even go back further all of these guys throughout the first pitch. Calvin coolidge woodrow wilson. Eisenhower add a tree. That came down augusta national. It was a big golfer. All of them have thrown out first. Pitch at some point. I don't think president trump has But i see were president-elect biden has been invited to a the first pitch for the nationals the spring so but president trump did attend one of the world series games so i think they all have had a to some degree or another a love for sports. I did an interview with president. Obama on the uss carl venison the boat the ship that buried osama bin laden and Michigan state played north carolina on eleven eleven eleven. And that just happened so happens to be my birthday veterans day and so we did an interview at halftime and he talked about the importance of sports that he could only find a really two walks of life where everybody came together for a unified purpose and that was in the military where you had blacks bites men. Women hispanics asians everybody pulling for the exact same thing and that's to be together and to solve the mission and he said the only other place that really occurs in sports so maybe we could look at sports in the military to somehow bring this divided country that together. Maybe we could find examples in that and it's true you look in every locker room across the land football baseball basketball. I mean it's it it. It is a collection of everything that we are here in america. Everybody who's come to this country or who was born in this country and so he thought that that could be a good example of how to bring us together so yes. I think they've all love sports. Well jim gray happy birthday. First of all we'll get that on the record. Thank you know doing a birthday podcast here. That's fantastic you when you interview these these sports figures. You're you're interviewing people that it's Are used to being lionized. These are heroes. These are these are people that are used to having people rush over and trying to get their autographs unlike the politicians that we we spend a lot of our time interviewing. But you've never been afraid to ask tough questions of anybody whether it'd be You know one of the political figures you're talking about or or you know the these sports greats these lejeune's and occasionally rub people the wrong way. You're not afraid to do that. I've learned i've done more more than my share of that. The people that i've interviewed and ask questions of what what. What's your approach when you're going in. You're you're interviewing somebody that is seen as just short of being a god by so many people these these as you say these goats How do you calibrate. The interview is something to kind of. Like i mean are you. You're celebrating these people. You ask them tough questions. How do you. How do you figure out your approach. When you're when you're interviewing one of these people. I just think. Let the natural curiosity of what occurred in front of me. So if you've just played a game you have to be able to react to what's gone on or what has gone on that has led you to this point whether it's in the pregame or the halftime or postgame or a sit down feature so i've always thought thought about this. I just naturally curious as to you know what it is. It is you've accomplished or what's going on a would be pertinent. And so i think you know you owe it to yourself to ask the questions. I think all went to the people that you work with your colleagues. You owe it to the people who you work for and you owe it to the audience so you can't. You can't go into this and say i'm not going to do this because this guy may be offended you know. I did a roundtable with mike tyson and john. I had never thought of this and it just came to my head at the international boxing hall of fame and mike came up. There was nice enough to introduce me do the induction and somebody asked us In a roundtable you know. Was i ever afraid of mike. And could i ever feel like i might offend him in that he would take it wrong and when i said that to him and when that question was an aunt a win win to us and i answered that question this popped into my head mike. Tyson has just been hidden ahead. One hundred times by andrew holyfield. Tom brady has just been sacked. Refined michael strahan. Lebron james has had his foot crushed and stepped on eighteen times in this game. They face that opponent. You really think that anything that i can ask them about their performance or about what's going on is offensive after guys been hidden ahead. One hundred times or in another guy had one hundred time. I don't think so. And if they're offended by what. I did how could they have ever competed with they. Just did it could have never gotten to the point of getting on the field if words we're going to hurt them and that doesn't mean that word should hurt them. I'm never mean i'm never militias. I just trying to the point of what's gone on in front of us so yet words can hurt me. I have to pick them carefully but really. I don't think there's anything. Tom brady's been dragged down and hit for sixty minutes on a football field. Why did you throw an interception. Is somehow going to hurt his feelings. So i hear me out on this. Because i am prepared to defend jim gray to jim gray on this point so the one of the one of the last moments of your career better force nine hundred ninety nine world series. Pete rose is honored as part of that all century team. You're on the field asking him the question the question of course everyone is always wanted to know for the record. He lied to you and infamously a few minutes later. You talk to. Chad curtis on the field and he refused to answer your questions. And you apologize at the time but i will maintain jim gray. That would you ask. Were appropriate questions. That a lot of sports fans wanted to know on his answers to at the time. So i know you apologized but are you really sorry. What what what did you apologize for impressing that issue at that time. Well i apologized for. I didn't apologize to pete and we never apologized for the content of the questions. And and when you go back New revisit this was the first time the feet had been allowed on the field in ten years because he had signed away his own banishment for gambling on baseball even though he never admitted it publicly. Okay so he was back out there for the first time. You know where where where. I could have done better is. This was a melancholy. Wonderful moment of the all century team for baseball. There was ted williams. Coming up there. There was a beautiful ovation for hank. Aaron here was frank. Robinson hugging sandy koufax there was standing usual here. Were all of these people who you just had a warmth in your heart for and vin scully was magical in in in making the introductions and on television you hearing the symbols and the triumph of the of the trumpets. You know it was. It was highly symbolic Brought a melancholy feeling. Well i'm standing in the yankees dugout. Okay and this. This ceremony is taking place in shallow field. Just beyond second base. It fell flat. It fell flat and centennial olympic park which was turner field It just it just it just didn't resonate. The only thing that resonated was the ovation for erin and feroze which were astounding. They were an resounding as well. So i wasn't watching television. Well that's a. That's a mistake for somebody who's on television and who had been on television for a long time. I was looking at it with my naked. I my naked eye helps during the game because the camera doesn't capture things or they don't always hear everything. In this instance might naked. I was a long distance away. Okay i should have been looking at the monitor so the feeling that everybody was having at home then changed dramatically when i came on television and started talking to pete about all of his gambling. Now beat took it down a path where he continued to lie and continued to deceive. And and so you know. It's it became a contentious interview but the people at home just had this wonderful feeling about baseball. And then all of the sudden there a drastic change in tone. So that's what i apologized for. Perhaps this was too long or at the wrong time but the questioning was not wrong. I wasn't the target audiences a yankees fan and journalists. Both but i i will say this. I defended you at the time and i. I still think that it was inappropriate line of questioning. They'll it's it's tough. I thank you. I thank you and guess what after twenty one years and i'll be judah all the tumbled in all the wreckage left in the wake and and and what i went through and what pete went through after twenty one years. We sat down. And i interviewed pete for about an hour. We're going to have that interview on fox news. On sunday november fifteenth gonna do a one hour special on talking to goats any part of the special. I love it. That sounds fantastic. That that that is great. All right jim gray. I really appreciate your time. Your your friend your great journalist and the book talking to goats the moments you remember and the stories you never heard. I recommend to everybody before you go. I do wanna put you on the spot. One last time here in power politics. Because i know you're good at thinking on your feet because that's what you've had to do throughout your entire career since they called you out there to interview mohammed ali. So right now if you were there on the sidelines and you had a chance to interview at this moment. Donald trump after this election What is your first question to. Donald trump at this moment a sports question john. No no you gotta give the world. Is you ask anything. You could be a sports question. A jim greg. What jim grass right now. Okay so i i would. I would ask him. What is it that you are doing for the people by the people of the people and with the people you go all right. I like jim gray. Thank you for joining us power politics. We'll write it down. What would what would you ask. Oh man i like the way you started that what what are you doing. I think that's a great question. Just like that what are you doing. What do you hope to accomplish. I think that's i think that's essentially all other questions. Come out of that. So i i'm well. I think the word we're at right now. It's about the people and we've had however many million vote Seventy plus million for donald trump and seventy four or seventy five million for for vice president president-elect biden so i think now the people the people are the ones who need help okay so the people are out here with corona virus. The people around here was unemployment. The people are out here who need economic relief. The people are out here wondering who's going to lead us and where are we going to be led. And how can that be done. So let's let's think about the people because that's what we all are and that's what should be the focus. public service. public service is about the people. So that's why i would ask that question. Your air endorse. Thank you jim greg. Good luck with the book and we'll talk again soon. Thank you so much john. Thank you so much for both of you me on. Thank you all right. That's all the time we have for this special edition. Powerhouse politics with jim gray. Thank you for listening. And thank you. Every miller for Prepping this interview. Thank you to. Trevor hastings recline the entire powerhouse politics team against him.

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Tenants Left in a State of Precarity as Mysterious Shell Companies Buy Millions of Homes 2019-12-17

The Takeaway

29:38 min | 1 year ago

Tenants Left in a State of Precarity as Mysterious Shell Companies Buy Millions of Homes 2019-12-17

"After the great recession private investors bought millions of American homes. Those letters said to me they're going to put a ten in here in. It's either GonNa be you and you're going head greeted their terms or it's going to be somebody else and we don't really care. I'm Tansy Nevada and today on the takeaway for December seventeenth a look at who really controls the real estate market market in the United States. Also on the show. Republicans and Democrats are finding common ground on an issue that everyone can agree as just plain annoying through November of this year there are already fifty. Four Billion Robo calls to Americans plus why some journalists are taking issue with how the new Richard Jewel film depicts a woman reporter all right. Let's get started art a decade ago. The United States dates was rocked by a foreclosure crisis in the wake of the great recession real estate prices plummeted and credit markets all but froze with many any banks reluctant to sell mortgages but for cash buyers the glut of cheap property was it appealing investment opportunity and some of the biggest beneficiaries of the flesh housing market it were private investors who began buying homes in the millions. Sandy Jolly was one of the nearly ten million Americans who lost their homes between two thousand and six and twenty any fourteen. A bank foreclosed on her Los Angeles property in two thousand thirteen. We just walked around the house you know remembering how long my parents had been there how much they loved that house. How proud they were of that house? I was thinking of all the memories when the house was sold at auction. The new owners offered sandy to stay. But this time as a renter. Those letters said to me they're going to put a tendon in here in. It's either GONNA it'll be you and you're going to agree to their terms or it's going to be somebody else and we don't really care and Sandy story is all too common. A Shell Company called. Kofin Hey I five California. LLC had bought the deed for her home in an all cash transaction according to the Census Bureau after the recession almost three million homes and thirteen thirteen million apartments had been bought by similar entities like LLC's LLP's and other obscure investment vehicles now new reporting from reveal and the Center Center for investigative reporting has peeled back a layer of the corporate facade. That conceals who really owns the. US is housing stock. According to reveal these essentially anonymous owners owners decrease the number of affordable houses on the market and can spell trouble for tenants and communities and now reveal is suing the Treasury Department to get the identities of the wealthy investors festers behind these shell companies joining joining me now is Aaron Glance Senior reporter at reveal and author of the new book. Home Wreckers Aaron. Welcome back to the takeaway. Good to be with you. So why were these shell. Companies buying up all these properties. Was it just a question of the availability and the affordability of these properties. Well I mean they had cash at a time as you said in your intro. The banks weren't lending ending. They came in. You had millions of homes all across the country the banks were foreclosing on people and there were folks with ready cash. The the Guy who bought Sandy's home I write in my book Home Record Tom Barrack at Donald Trump's closest friend who introduced Ivanka at the Republican convention didn't land trump's inauguration buys thirty thousand homes all over the country the Guardian and The Washington Post Unmasked. Sean Hannity as a a big buyer of homes throughout the American south the Fox News personality but each one of these revelations was tremendous investigative news effort because we had to figure out who owned Kofin. Ai California five LLC. What we're saying it reveal? Is You know we shouldn't have to have some kind kind of tremendous investigative news effort to find out who's buying up our towns. We should be able to know you mentioned Tom Barrack. I WANNA play a clip clip from Tom Himself speaking at a real estate conference about he how he goes about buying up underwater houses. Let's take a listen all cash means you have guys walking walking in honestly with bags of cashier's checks because you have no idea what you're gonNA have to bid so we have these little twenty one year old kids that are walking in with with with bags with Blue Tucson with cashier's checks and these denominations Aaron you mentioned a bunch of folks including Sean Hannity and Tom Barrack who we just heard who are buying up properties. Operatives I mean is that not a legal strategy. I mean. There was nothing illegal about what Tom Barrack was doing. And there's nothing illegal about what Sean Hannity is doing. The issue so here is transparency like do we have a right to know a who are landlords are and so if this is a legal strategy why are they going to such lanes to conceal their all right entities. That's really what you're you're trying to get at here. Yeah I mean this is a LLC. A policy that was limited liability corporation right and it was created for tax purposes actually originally created to shield oil companies who were drilling for oil in Panama from being held accountable in the United States. I mean it had nothing to do with residential real estate whatsoever in the beginning. But will we see now is people from Sean Hannity on the one hand to a foreign oligarchy on the other hand to just mom and pop landlords who want to conceal themselves themselves and not have the public know that they're buying a particular property. I mean I. It's kind of Embarrassing if you're Sean Hannity and you turn out to be a slum Lord all across the southeastern United States may be if you're going on national television every day showing yourself as a man of the people right right you might not want people to know that. And then there's other folks who are potentially laundering money through these properties And this is why the Treasury Department Mint has been collecting this data. I mean we live in a country. Now we're in big cities like New York San Francisco Los Angeles in Miami you know. Third of residential purchases is are all cash and the Treasury is telling us that as much as a third of them may have been flagged as suspicious activity so not all of these cash buys Are suspicious but but some of them may be linked to money laundering. Aaron I want to talk about. You mentioned the potential for money laundering again. Not all of this activity is illegal. This is just really an opportunity opportunity for for folks who have or had cash to go in and buy up but there is an effect. Isn't there in terms of when you go from being a homeowner as we heard sandy at at the top of the segment to suddenly being a renter. What difference does it make if there is a shell company rather than as you referred to earlier a real human landlord? What's the concern there? Who Do you call if something goes wrong right? If you have a problem with your plumbing if you have roaches right you pick up the phone and call the Shell Company. They probably give you a web portal to go to. But what if you can't satisfy your housing needs with a web portal. What if you WANNA go up the chain and the only only place to go up the chain is a Po box in Delaware? Then you're in a world of hurt in Sandy's case She went from living in a house that had been bought by her parents. Prince Back in the eighties for under ninety thousand dollars to pain over the course of eighteen months. More than forty thousand dollars in rent not to Tom Barracks Company. They raised her rent three times over those eighteen months and the lease agreement that they made her sign up put almost just all the maintenance responsibility on her so if the plumbing bursts she had to fix it if the window broke she had to pay for it but all those rent payments were going to Tom Barrack exp Shell Company and so he was getting the benefit of all that equity. I'm so that's what happened with her. And then if you're the city and you're dealing with a whole all town that is being bought up by Shell corporations and you're trying to deal with issue of a housing shortage or systemic blight or your tax policy but your whole town is being bought up by LLC LP and Lop Shell companies then what you do who do you hold accountable. It's unclear about of what you're what you're describing and I I've seen this in other parts of the country is that previously Homes that were privately owned which which were caught up in the foreclosure crisis and essentially really available were then scooped up by by private companies and now turned into rental properties. Now I have. I have a question for you though if somebody I mean to someone like sandy not have a choice choice To stay and pay the exorbitant rents that you're describing or to move on to Cheaper property with. That's what she eventually did. I Menchu's paying more and more and more rent to the Shell Company and eventually after about a year and a half of this she moved and now she's paying rant on another house house in her. Landlord is a human and the landlord takes much better care of her and the rent is lower so you could say oh well. There's a market solution here but but on the other hand these buyers with ready cash are taking a greater and greater share of the housing inventory of our cities and and this is not something that ended with the housing bust. We're seeing right now. Even now with housing prices being so high an enormous percentage of homes being purchased with cash and held by Shell companies. You know there's lots of rumors right Companies renting those those homes after they've been purchased or are they just holding them indefinitely. I mean I think we have a real mix right. We have some people who got in who turn these homes into rentals But then we we look up sometimes these gleaming new skyscrapers in our major cities. And we see lights that are off at night and we wonder if there aren't people people just parking their money in these buildings and so even when developers build new housing It doesn't feel like it solving our housing crisis. And this this is one reason why the transparency you know that we're going for in this lawsuit is so important and does it matter. Is it the responsible. Because you're talking about two different things one or the homes set of already been previously owned foreclosed on in the in the wake of the great recession another thing or new High rises that we see every day here in New York City that are explicitly lately a luxury housing and so is it the responsibility of the of the builders of those luxury houses or apartments to provide affordable housing. or I mean it's it's the responsibility of our government to give us the information that we need to make good policy right. I mean we're we'll be told like Oh. This new luxury actually building is going to provide housing. Maybe it'll be for the super rich but you know maybe super rich people are living there. Or what if this building That's going up is is Is Half Empty. And it's just zillionaires. Parking their money right What does that do Aaron to to the fabric of of a city? I mean what's the concern there because we do see that quite a bit in luxury housing here in New York City. We know that there are luxury buildings that are going up with twenty five year tax abatements for example We know that foreign investors in particular have parked a lot of money into these developments. and which is a little different than I think what we're describing earlier which are are American Homeowners who were caught up in the great recession so is there what. What's the impact there? I mean these two things they they both coming from the same fountain right which is the complete opaqueness of our system If you go to other countries like Ukraine people can go online and look up. The the the jargon is beneficial owner. Who is behind the Shell Company? That owns that building right. That is not what's something that we can do in the US. So you're asking me to weigh in right in and discuss The impact of what's happening in our cities because of this incredible growth of Shell Company ownership both at the lower and middle class level Where people like Sandia renting and in the upper class level on these new condo towers and I guess what I'm saying is we're wrestling with this so much and we don't really know is because the government is hiding hiding key information from US Treasury Secretary? Steve mnuchin is Has Been revealed as one of the owners of multiple shell companies here And you're at the same time you're suing the Treasury Department for more transparency in getting the information behind the shell companies. Are you worried that there's a conflict of interest there. Well I mean the law says that this information should be released. That's why we're suing. They've been they've been concealing it to us for months on so we I filed our freedom of Information Act request back in July. They said they could neither confirm nor deny these records exist. We sent them their own press releases announcing that they were collecting this information But yeah it shouldn't be surprising That Steve Mnuchin who owns property through shell companies is not terribly excited at releasing this information to the public As you know our President Donald Trump is the first real estate developer President that we've had he. He owns real estate through more than three hundred shell companies. So this is the kind of world that we live in Aaron glances a senior reporter at reveal and author of the new book. Home Wreckers Aaron. Thanks so much. Thank you whether they're pretending to be the IRS or offering free vacations to the Bahamas. robocalls have taken over phones across the United States. Hello this is your final notice. It's from cardmember services it. Your interest rates reduced to as low as zero percents expired and this is a final courtesy. Call to renew the warranty before we file. Wait wait she think. According to The Washington Post Americans received roughly twenty six point three billion Robo calls in two thousand eighteen eighteen up forty six percent from the year before but relief may be on the way thanks to new federal legislation two weeks ago. The House passed a bipartisan bill. That hopes to dial back those pesky calls it's expected to pass the Senate and could be on the president's desk before Christmas the telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and deterrence turns act also called the traced act would require service providers to implement new caller authentication technology to be used to block robocalls at at no extra cost to consumers. Now it's unclear exactly how much the bill could do. According to experts the legislation is more of a speed bump than a silver bullet for more on this. We turn to cats across ski attack policy reporter for The Washington Post who also writes it's technology to Oh to newsletter we are seeing with this broad influx influx calls and complaints from consumers that the federal government is trying to be more active in addressing these the FCC has been issuing more fines and going after people. But it's kind of an arms race in some ways right. The technology to prevent these calls gets a little bit better. Government does more to try to address this and then the bad actors get smarter and find find ways to get around that new technology. How are they getting access to our phone numbers? There's a variety of ways that phone numbers can be accessed. I mean if you think about all the ways as that phone numbers are available online. You know you could do a simple phone book. Search to find them and really what we're seeing is that everyone's affected by this. This is something thing that we've seen come up with twenty twenty candidates on the campaign trail complaining about receiving robocalls there have been Capitol Hill hearings where lawmakers say they've been interrupted. Did by having robocaller come to their phone. So whether you're a politician or just an everyday citizen everyone knows the annoyance at best that that these can cause and at some times outright. Dangerous your hard earned money. That is not fair and it's frustrating for a lot of Americans tell me the federal government is going to do more on this. Isn't there legislation that's exactly right. There's legislation that recently passed the House with broad. Bipartisan support. That legislation would give the Federal Communications Commission Greater Authority to go after these fraudsters and basically allow them to issue larger fines. In some instances to crack down on robocalls and also would require the companies to offer free call blocking an authentication software to consumers hoping that this legislation would relieve some of the pain that you just talked about experiencing experiencing what about the phone companies. Themselves I mean what about my wireless carrier provider the verizon's the sprints of the world. Why can't they clamp down on this? It is something. They're increasingly working on. There were some regulatory concerns about them taking action about this There was a lot of concern about not all auto dial calls are illegal right so there was concerned that if they took certain steps of my crackdown on totally legitimate uses of robocalls. While you know. There's a a lot of instances where there are illegal scams where people are trying to do insurance fraud or steal money. There's also your doctor's office might use auto dialing to remind you of an appointment. Men or political campaigns use them to seek contribution so there was a little bit of concern initially about the company's being too aggressive but they've taken some steps to ensure that legitimate callers would be able to lodge a complaint if the software were to crack down on them. So they're now taking a more aggressive of action at the direction of the FCC and also State's attorney general cat. How quickly should Americans expect to actually see a change in the number of Robo calls? They're getting yeah. I mean once the new legislation is passed to lawmakers companies and FCC regulators are all working in concert to hopefully crackdown on these in twenty twenty. You know we're hearing from them that they're making a broad effort to ensure that we won't see as many Robo calls next year the latest data I've seen said Through November of this year there were already fifty. Four Billion Robo calls to Americans and so basically I think what we'll see play out is an increased effort with this legislation with the FCC focusing on this more with companies doubling down to ensure that this happens because it's bad for the phone companies to be having so much Fraud on their networks. That makes people not trust their phone. So I think the pressure is there certainly for all these groups to come together and do more to address this issue and so well. Hopefully that would make a dent in the numbers that we're seeing but I wouldn't expect robocalls to totally go away anytime soon cat. You're not making me too optimistic. Here I mean and I'm wondering as you mentioned. Fraud is a big component of this. If for example you know there are enough people who tell their phone company. Look I keep getting scammed by hi this entity do these phone companies. Stand to be penalized in any way for allowing that on their networks. That's a really good question. I think that Now wow on there's going to be if this legislation becomes law. There's going to be a lot more pressure on the phone companies to do more to address this issue and certainly it's an area that the FCC FCC is focusing on a lot more and putting greater pressure on the companies this is one of those examples where the technology is moving really quickly and the bad actors. I might be able to move a little bit faster than government. And so it's a real challenge for Washington and the companies to keep up with this issue. Had Secorski is a tech policy reporter or at the Washington Post and she also writes his Technology Two oh two newsletter cat. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on the show all right more robocall blues from you at eight seven seven eight my take. Oh my goodness I get them all oh And sometimes all day long and sometimes even late at night. It's horrible. Hi I'm Cecilia calling from bridgeport PA.. I get spam call all all the time. I get some for fake credit card and picked up money scams insurance scams go emergencies etc.. They really do impact my life. I I can never accept calls from numbers not my contacts. I play phone tag with doctors coworkers. Friends and family members real important information gets left weight. Because I can't trust my own phone. Hi My name's Ricky. I'm calling from Titusville Florida. I often get Robo calls about three to four a day and my partner actually gets up to twelve regularly with gotten to the point where she needs. Actually keep your phone on silent most of the time to keep from disturbing herself during work or school. Oh my goodness I get them all and sometimes all day long and sometimes even late at night it's horrible. I hear from the fake. IRS The fake social security the credit card people regarding my discover card. I don't have the student loan program for loans that I don't have. I get sometimes ten a day. I block them all. I have so many phone numbers block. I Bet I'm not the only one who would be willing to pay money to get it to stop this Julia from Clayton. California eight seven seven eight. My take is our number. This is the takeaway In nineteen ninety six a security guard name Richard Jewel made national headlines. After working to clear bystanders. During a bombing at at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta at first celebrated for his heroism. Joel soon became the lead suspect in the incident fact made public by the Atlanta Journal Constitution. He was eventually cleared by the FBI. But not before becoming the center of a national media circus that lasted almost ninety days. This morning he. It was a man with Olympic gold medal hero status the alert security guard who spotted the deadly backpack and save lives. I will say everyone has been Very nice tonight. He's the FBI's prime suspect in the Centennial Park bombing. I'm sure they're investigating everyone that was in the area. Speculation is that the FBI is close to making the case in their language. They probably have enough to arrest him right now. Probably enough to prosecute him but you always wanna GonNa have enough to convict him as well. There are still some holes in this case at the time the Atlanta Journal Constitution was widely criticized for jumping the gun on the story and now a new film by Clint Eastwood hopes to clear. JEWELL's name once and for all but it's being widely criticized for its depiction of Kathy scruggs the Atlanta Journal Constitution reporter. Who broke the jewel story in the film scruggs played by the actor Olivia Wilde Sleeps with an FBI officer to get more information about the case? Joining me now is Alissa Wilkinson film film critic for Vox Elissa. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me so. Tell us a about Catholic scruggs the J. C. reporter in real life and we should say that she's no no longer she's deceased. That's right. She passed away in two thousand one about five years after the case and before a judge cleared her for what happens in that case. So Oh Cathy scruggs is described by her colleagues as being kind of a hard hitting journalist very fair and equitable but also kind of a firebrand end very passionate about her work. Very good at getting this story which all of those elements are present in the film for sure. She's a very lively person But the Thing that her colleagues have taken issue with and her former editors have is that she would sleep with a source in order to get information and of course this is a trope that happens all the time in the movies. But it's not something that is okay for a journalist to do. And so it it's kind of slanderous to dead journalists and and we should be clear that why. It's not okay for a journalist to do that. I mean we as journalists and women but mostly as journalists have ethical guidelines right. They want explained. Explain some of those to our listeners. Yeah that's right. I mean you know. There's all kinds of ways that you try to get information from people. You do develop relationships with them but you're not supposed to have That kind of a relationship with source and certainly not in order to get information it's manipulative. It's not an ethical way to do it and it's not something that journalists you know engage in when they're working. According to their code of ethics in the movies women are journalists. Often are depicted as doing this. But it's not anywhere near as frequent as you might be led to believe by Hollywood. You say these are. This is a portrayal that that we've seen in other media. I recall I'm thinking about house of cards and the journalists us the young journalists that we meet in the first season Who Sleeps with the source? What are some other examples that we've seen here? Yeah there's actually two in house of cards it's not just her but there's another character who who says something like you know she would sleep with anyone to get Information that she needed recently in sharp objects and the HBO series. There's a depiction action of the character Camille doing this. We can go back to the movie. Thank you for smoking There's a character who does this. Rory Gilmore does on Gilmore girls. And there's this is sort of a pattern throughout Hollywood's kind of depiction of female journalists that this is not just something they do because they want to but something they do because they're kind of not good enough to do the job without having to get the information that way as a woman as journal and as journalists myself. I've always taken great great pains to avoid being in certain situations right For example I tend to do many breakfasts instead of like late night drinks with sources. Do you think this portrayal. Oh hurts women. Journalists in the field it definitely dozen women journalists. Have lots of stories about being expected to maybe give favors to a source or we're finding themselves in situations that they never intended to become this way. You know maybe you're talking to a source and then you discover they expect something from you in Exchange for the information Also there have been very very recent even as far as this week Examples of people saying oh well women do this all the time right. This is just an expected thing and so not only. Does it put you in some situations. You don't WanNa be in but it also creates the expectation that a woman who is a successful journalist must must have slept her way to the top in some way. How has the Atlanta Journal Constitution and its parent company Cox Enterprises responded to the film? So far they hey even before they saw the film issued a statement demanding of Warner brothers. The company that's distributing the film and Clint Eastwood and the screenwriter as well that they make a statement that this is an imaginative recreation of events. that this is not accurate or are based on facts and that they put statement to that effect in the film as well and that statement you know is a very strongly worded one. Because they don't want want their colleague to be depicted in this way nor do they want the stereotype to be something that's accepted. They didn't demand that the film be taken out of theaters. But they did say we. We want you to say something about this to make it clear that you made this up and also this raises broader questions about how much artistic license one can take when The subject is a real subjects that the people involved are real players. But we're not talking about documentary film here we're talking about Hollywood. What what does that say to you? As a critic about how much license Hollywood is allowed to take when it comes to non documentary films featuring real topics would real people. Yeah well we should say up front that the FBI. Agent that scruggs is portrayed as sleeping with Is A is a fictional character or a composite. Is it character so that character John Plays is not a real guy However Kathy scruggs was a real person so this actually is where I you know I generally police say you know licensed creativity? You have to tell a story. There are some restrictions that come when you're putting a real story on screen in order to make it exciting and interesting But why are you taking this real character and having them sleep with a fictional character and having only one of them obviously be culpable in that sense. There's nobody to blame. I'm on the other side So artistic licenses Graham Fine But we have to think really hard about whether we want to see people Be smeared or slandered onscreen in the name of artistic license and also the context in which that artistic licenses presented Wilkinson is film critic for. Vox Elissa thanks so much. Thank you all right. That's our show for today. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Tansy Vega and this this is the takeaway.

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Don't Cross Me | Chapter 2

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Don't Cross Me | Chapter 2

"This podcast is intended. For mature audiences listener discretion is advised and then there is the big daddy of them all to sixty seven Marietta Street. The FEEBIS Warehouse Marietta Street. Today it runs right next to centennial. Olympic Park centerpoint to the nineteen ninety six Olympics the Georgia Aquarium Aquarium and the Civil Rights Center back in March of nineteen sixty nine when thieves moved his growing adult empire. Down Marietta Street. It was full of nondescript warehouses and loading docks Vivas was making more more the keep show booths up to fifty a week and he needed a supply of adult movies to keep the profits rolling in. He didn't make the adult movies so we relied on films from others for his peepshow boots. Larry Ravine was a cinematographer in New York City and help make many of the adult films that feebis and others bought one day he was asked to fly to Atlanta for pickup occasionally. Okay Bob would ask me to be a bag man. In this one time he asked me to fly to Atlanta and pick up ten thousand dollars from a guy I didn't know or to know anything about and his name was Michael. Sivas Bob Really Trust meter dude dude. Fly Down pick up ten ten cheese and cash for him it was a really non descript building to sign. You know had a cab waiting for me and rang the bell this raspy voice. This woman's voice you know she. She had a voice complain a two by four and I said I'm a they. Are you know I'm here from Bob. Wolfe to pick up some money laverne Boden was the secretary there and she was really Mike. Davis's right hand person as far as like taking care of a lot of stuff. A middle aged red headed dyed red hair woman who sat behind a desk in front of wasn't even an office. She had perfume books Berry now. Here this four is come over a sound like Eddie. All he's got sounded like it was like central casting. Somebody gone over his voice with a would rest for something as I hear from New York says to pick up some money and he's begging wait. I'm waiting I'm waiting. I'm waiting there's no place to sit down and there's not that it was a grungy Oh man is no windows no nothing and you know so like a little almost dead fluorescent light. It was like kind of reminded me of like a heartbeat like flickering on on this point. I was getting a little a little nervous. I walk in and there's a room and there's two guys in it. Davis was like stocky his bold of of Greek extraction and another guy who like he was assured escapee from Brooklyn the way dress. He had a pullover. One of those talion knit knit. PULLOVER shirt shake hands or say hello or anything they just said. There was a desk there when they plop this brown bag down. The Dutch flew flew out so they dumped the money out on the table and said count it now supposed to count ten thousand dollars five tens attorneys and a whole lot of singles for we own. Nobody saying we stiffed you any money. I had never like handle money like that saying that. That was Ed look like us. All here I left new went back to New York. This is interesting You know how times have changed. This is nineteen seventy-two to you. Just go to the airport. You buy your ticket there you get on the plane and there's no any kind of TSA or any of that stuff. But I did have this ten thousand dollars in cash so when I was riding in the cab I thought you know. I don't want to be handling this bag. The bag breaks order. Somebody says what are you gonNA PAG stuck it in my underwear. Trending at the time was A Leather Irish hat would have very tall top to brand around. It was leather. So I have money in that and money in my pocket. Money Everywhere Zola's money and I flew back to New York. That was one of them only experienced with Mike. Jesus every leader needs a number to a second in command someone. They can trust through thick and thin. who was the other man in the warehouse with Mike Vivas that day? That man was Roger Dean underhill. Mike Vivas number two. He was a trusted associate and friend reporter. Paul Lieberman recalled called underhill's early days. With beavis. Roger Dean underhill was a former football player. Very powerful man when you met with him. I know people know the phrase isometric exercises even while he's talking to you push one hand down against the other to create tension mentioned in building muscles. He'd gone briefly do Michigan State University. He may be played football. There is a strong wired up guy why he too had a juvenile record. He had talent locksmith and supposedly feebis originally hired him to help with locksmith. Work and other related security matters and then it turned out. He had some talent and thieves employed him helped construct his own. Uh the ones that had these rate money counters in them and good lock boxes at the same time. This wired up powerful Underhill by his own description was classic. And it was an enforcer and he carried out also. underhill was. Loyal and Rosen thesis. Company ranks to more important roles fevers even made him part owner of the peepshow show. Business Davis underhill grew this business leasing. Not Selling their machines to newsstands. There was simply more money to be made by leasing company. Got Half and the newsstand owner got the other half. UNDERHILL was also a familiar face with the feebis family when both families spent time together away from work Mark Tony feebis recalled. Good Times. The families had together my memories with them as a child. is of The underhill family. My family a few times going to the river at on the Chattahoochee River and having picnics and things like that You Roger Underhill I. I have a distinct memory of him when I was probably six or seven I was choking on food and saved my life literally in the kitchen of our house and so obviously I appreciate them for doing now Tony Tony also remember the times. His father and underhill worked together on the early peep shows taking what was originally designed for cartoons and converting it to the adult movie peep shows. He did claim that he invented it. I have read where it was a cartoon thing but I do remember him. Roger Hill discussing in great detail. Many times the peop- show machines and transforming it into what became Iverson underhill sitting. Right in the middle of the wild west in the nineteen seventies. Seventies pushing newsstands the least peep show booths all over the country from California to Florida. Business in the sex industry was good. Seem that lots of people whether they wanted to admit it or not. Couldn't keep their eyes away from movies magazines and Peop- shops and I worked for one of the last X.. Rated drive in Jacksonville. And the projectors what I saw coming in was just everybody from your regular work in people to Guys and business suits driving expensive cars preachers people that had anti pornography sticker vickers on the back of their cars. You turn the lights on during intermission. And you can count the number of Church dickers- you song on bumper stickers and At playtime driving when they were showing X.. Rated did this is Marty Hammock. Not only did he. Run projectors x ray to drive INS as an adult. He also experienced the impact. The industry was having in Jacksonville Florida. Boorda at a very early age marty was only thirteen years old when he started working on repairing some eight millimeter films. That ran in thieves peep. Show booths in Jacksonville. We had a huge porn megamarts Jacksonville. Linda I'm called the L. Westbourne and I'm not sure if he owned the L. West or if it was a place where he just least is equipment to but I became associated with that when there was a little bookstore that I used to go into when I was a teenager in Seoul Fella how an adult room and he had a bookstore in peep show that he was leasing for Beavis and they weren't the films we're in bad shape he'd get about a dozen of a month and out of about a dozen of them maybe three or four would play well all the way through otherwise get bound up or they break something something like that. He wasn't able to get hold of even with wooden was returning is called. said he was always get an answering service and I happened into over here. This conversation between him the currier who was bringing films in after a little bit of persuasion. I said let's take a look at them and I'll see if I could repair car. It took me a little while because I was learning by trial and error and I used some of the facilities at the school. Eventually I was able to repair them if they need to repair the car. And the guy that I worked for we call him gay and we had the little beep show basically what he said. He was coming on economic hard times. And now this was a good little cash out more. I had to work on these films very surreptitiously. I worked on partially at home and then partially at school because if ahead of been caught with any of that school it would have been just as serious as if I hadn't been caught with drugs or weapons. which was going around that time they could Say Okay we cleaned up the pornography geography and that was a big popular Brownie. Points with the Baptists in that area very strong Bible Belt area. So they do it was. It was easy to get a bandwagon going so it was an easy thing for politicians and law enforcement. Uh and This Guy Yale eventually got busted and and It happens I adjust repaired. A bunch of films for him and and I was on my way over there and when I came to the corner of eighth and main I was walking and I was thirteen at the time. The the place is surrounded by cops and all three television stations were there and they were unloading all the stuff out of his shop. They they were confiscated and everything they had like three or four uniformed cops and that's when I decided to kind of try to make discreet exit. And when I did I turn around and walk right it into two plainclothes Jackson Sheriff's detectives and they said. Hey were you about to go in there and I said sure. Can we talk to you on the back of their car and I think I told them I didn't know anything about his adult stuff and I showed Bucks I bought the which was like a couple of science fiction books and It appeared on the news. When I got back home? I was talking to my aunt she said. Was this the stuff you were working on and I said yeah well get rid of it. Well Scott phone numbers on it from the cinematics corporation Atlanta and I had some of their little paperwork even in some of the blocks that helps game and She said well you call whoever you need to call to get rid of those things. Don't go back in the CEO's anymore boy still owes me forty dollars. That wouldn't be enough to billion jail was my all cloak and dagger thing. 'cause I got the guy on the phone and I told him I was students and he was thinking I was a university student. He wasn't too familiar with Jacksonville. said it says you go the J you and I said No. I'm in the eighth grade. It'd be AV club noodle silence or license and you're really lucky they didn't match you with Agassi mystery. Ao would be a lot more trouble than the hour our yes. The incident left an impression on Mardi years later. I wonder what Livas would've bought of fifty new her ten year old kid was repairing his films. You you need of Crete safe. 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Just go to native Deodorant Dot Com and enter the Promo code gangster during checkout back in Atlanta signs pointed to an explosion in the adult peep show business and thebes was determined to be on top up Davison underhill growing to new business ventures but the New York operation forming automatic and cinematic automatic took care of running the peepshow distribution distribution in Atlanta and cinematic was responsible for the manufacturing of the machines distributed across the rest of the country the underhill in the to New York. Our partners each had a share underhill was working over one hundred hours a week. Davis would sometimes call Roger at one I and I am and say what the hell are you doing down there. Get your ass home. UNDERHILL was dedicated to his work and he was loyal to feebis underhill remembered standing in the driveway of the Thesis Mansion. The day divas moved his family into the house. Davis told underhill that every quarter from the machines paid for the House and something that stuck with under him but there was one man who sat right in the middle of the Peop- show-business that man net Belan had built a Powerhouse Manufacturing Operation in Louisville Kentucky making shows that his business urban industries. He's like Davis Belan also claimed he actually invented the peep show since he had also manufactured the cartoon versions of the boots well before the slide to adult movies for resolute kit. There was other industries and they were doing a point operated And and this is the most exercise seventy a tone of staff domes it goes. This is Rick Belan son of NAT Falen looking back. Fifty years ago. He remembered his father's business commercial where it has with avenue. Nice Chapin back there. I'm a carpenter cabinet burden. It's where I learned my skill and Upfront was where we did me on projectors electronic stuff Warehouse Warehouse Argue Studio Down there and help take new projectors eight millimeter movie projectors come down in making so it'll be continuous run. I remember me as a little kid and making the magazine brackets for the film here for twenty five cents a pop that bail in sold the peep show booths for between three hundred fifty and seven hundred fifty dollars depending on the model model by nineteen. sixty-nine urban industries was manufacturing between five hundred and nine hundred machines per year machines. That had a patented design each. The territory's needed something from bail. York did a handshake deal for one. Hundred Machines Michigan needed machines to and PIVA says Atlanta operation. Couldn't couldn't keep up the failing Aw well he was one of the people who's going to manufacture the peepshow machines. The didn't like that someone was selling machines to a provider. If you own the bookstore and wanted that shows you probably would prefer that someone just sell you. The machine. The white that he wanted his caught the competition was caused Thebes least machines and they had sold his outright so I guess he was a little upset. The Dad was taken over little back. Mark Davis and underhill knew. They needed to do something about Valens. Operation on April twenty-sixth Nineteen Seventy underhill. Was Ready to take a trip to Louisville Ville underhill fellow employees Clifford Wilson for a road. Trip Wilson jumped in the car but didn't know where underhill was taking him. Hours outside outside of Atlanta underhill finally told him they were headed to Kentucky's the back of the Ford Station Wagon. underhill drove was loaded with seven plastic containers. The hill stopped off the highway to load all seven with gasoline. Wilson now knew the plan and underhill gave a fifteen hundred dollars but the jobs a third man. Robert Mitchum joined underhill and Wilson. Flying in from out of town Mitchum was not in good health. Having recently suffered a heart attack a few weeks earlier underhill had done his own Scott because the warehouse showing up on a day when that bail and was out of the office underhill told the girl working at the front desk. He was an interested buyer and asked to take a look at the layout of the warehouse. The woman woman gave him the full tour helping underhill out his upcoming trip. That night in Louisville was a comedy of errors under the cover of night. Wilson started off on wrongfoot by breaking the drill in the door. Lock instead resorting to breaking in through the back window. Wilson did watch as underhill move the peepshow machines into ended the center of the warehouse and gasoline around the building. In a show of his own brute strength underhill picked up a four hundred pound copy machine and and maneuvered it near the other machines. underhill later say that he didn't WANNA tax MITCHUM's heart. So he and Wilson did everything while Mitchum stood guard. We carry it all the records out copying machines furniture. I guess things that look like they would destroy the business could take every record we could we find large containers of paint. So we put everything a great big pile underhill said and I think that I sat. Maybe some five gallon containers in the things and I think they were plastic containers. I think because I thought they would melt the plastic and the thing we go poof like that the gasoline covered the large pile Mitchum. Mm said let's really screw this guy and he dumped paint all over balanced. Ask at on the carpets in front the peepshow machines were set to burn as. We're the business records underhill said. We wanted to put them out of business so we could capture the market. But Wilson messed up again accidentally turning on the lights while on the lookout lookout. Underhill sent Wilson Mitchum on their way home while he made sure the fire took off. They circle back to pick him up. underhill said in the area between the highway. And the fact that you're looking Ed from the back side you know was open and we could see the flames coming out look like coming out of the windows. We also heard sirens and I heard later that night watchman it had seen the fire and called the fire department the fire started and underhill and his crew quickly left feeling like they have been successful in the plot to extract revenge against it's Palin but it was underhill. Who made the biggest mistakes tonight? The Fire Department arrived on the scene and was able to quickly put out the fire. The Latex based paint it seen name helped kill the fire not spreading look bad. There's this latex taint everywhere on the floor the smell of burnt most of the warehouse. We haven't chipboard is what we made most of the units out of laminated. I remember the smell but I do know stories. The debate did threaten my brother in our at one time but there is a later in life but yeah he was a nasty guy. Net belan was not happy that thugs had broken into his warehouse and even though there were no arrests in the case he had an idea who was behind the arson attack and bail did lose business including his customers in Michigan and New York. He was pretty sure. Theis was behind it. Roger Dean underhill later said that he thought he could spread the fire by putting paint. Took over the whole location and it was latex paint which is a suppressant nod a igniter so you know they were not the greatest arsonists in the world. The funny thing thing what. Steve is burnt down but he tried to burn it down with Latex tanks so these men were that smart the ongoing we're gone. I am an underhill not knowing the fire had been extinguished so quickly called divas us who wanted to know if the job has been successful divas answered from his room at the Central Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles. UNDERHILL bragged Bernie. I came I saw. I caught her soon. Another side of Mike Beavis which show it's face one of his former partners a man who helped get start start was also a sore spot with us. In the late sixties Davison underhill were first introduced by a man for Miami named Kenneth Jap Hannah. He wasn't Japanese. He was short portly balding with classes. They opened up stores together and for a while he was with open the stores and enhanced with close them at night but the two would have a falling out. Hannah had begun to install peep shows in the back of his stores supplied by Balanced Company urban industries despite thieves buying out Hannah earlier Panna had opened new stores. Anna and net bailing. Were friends having done business together. In the past Hannah was also going behind Davison back taking his movies and selling bootlegs on his own Mike. The Lord's this unsuspecting fellow to who is headquarters which are downtown Atlanta in a warehouse in the early hours of November thirteenth. Nineteen seventy feebis invited. Hannah come down to his office. He lured Hannah to the back of the warehouse away from the main section of the office indicating the Hannah idiot a new supply of hardcore pornography that he wanted handed to look at this type of pornography wasn't being sold over the counter. So it was a hush hush meeting. Hannah's taste for the darker aspects of porn was also as blindspot. They've cornered Hannah telling him he was going to kill him. Hannah begged for his life. But thieves shot three times in the chest and the heart when Hannah crumpled crumbled down behind the carts on the loading dock. US walked up to him and shot him once more right between the eyes to make sure he was dead. Roger underhill later recalled the conversation he apathy that morning divas called underhill and told him to come to work immediately. UNDERHILL was usually. They're bright and early but he had worked late the night before and was exhausted and still at home. When thieves called the house he was asked accumulate? I said I worked very very late last night. A Gut this injury and I've just been exhausted and I slept a little late this morning. The then said to underhill. We'll get your ass down around here. There's some machines come in from Los Angeles last night. Their credit up and they're in the way of the loading dock underhill rushed out of his house and arrived at the warehouse. The House he went in through a side door was told him. I just killed Ken Hanna. Before I called you. His body auty is across the street in the warehouse through the body in the trunk. But I forgot the keys to the car still in his pocket and I can't get the car out of the warehouse so thieves lors him there supposedly to get supply magazines. That's the story. pull up the loading dock. and His underhill tells it. The've ass- shoots him. Put Him in trunk of his own car locks it and then realizes the keys are in the dead. Man's pocket has to call underhill and underhill. Comes locksmith talent. Opens up the trunk. They get the keys. UNDERHILL hill takes possession of the gun as he says and Vivas drives the car to the airport underhill being a pro. Locksmith was enlisted to open the back trunk of the car. The car belonged JAP Hannah and underhill eventually pried open the trunk for the series of tools. underhill open the trunk and saw the body of Japan and he touched his hand and it was cold. There was a bit of blood and divas reached in to retrieve the keys. Fever besides underhill. Well what am I going to do with his body and this car underhill replied. Well if I were you parked in a big parking lot someplace where it wouldn't wouldn't be found for a while said the Atlanta airport would be a good place to put it wouldn't be noticed. underhill grabbed a hat a fake moustache. One he had used before as a disguise and checking on stores for employees thefts was put on the disguise and drove to the airport. Report in Hannah's car with Hanna still in the back underhill followed in a different car. underhill told Vivas. He had blood from Hannah's body on the side of his pants. Fevers came back later wearing another suit. They still had the gun. That thieves used to kill Hannah. UNDERHILL purchased a welding torch on his protection while he melted down the he was also pulled Mexican coins off. Hannah's body how shaped coins Hannah used at payphones to get out of paying. He added them to the mix of items to meltdown with the gun. Long with the screwdrivers used to open up the the back of the truck that night underhill drove his truck out Spaghetti who Cheat River and dump the Melda materials including the gun into the river. Three days later Hannah's Gold Cadillac was is found at the Lanta airport with Hanna. Still in the trump and a single coin laced on top of his dead body Atlanta PD. Said I'm afraid it's going to be very difficult to prove who killed this man. While the police had their suspicions that Mike fivas might have been involved. Divas later said he learned of Hannah's death on television net balance warehouse was set on fire. JAP Hannah China was shot right between the eyes. Though signs seemed to point to thieves he was not arrested but he was ever aware of the is focusing on him. And it's business today. Police pursued the angle that Hannah's dealings Atlanta's pornography business led to his death this morning. Lieutenant C. J. Strickland Question Mike Thieves man who's been called the kingpin of Atlanta's smut industry is believed to be the last person to seen saints before his death Davis and his Maryland Attorney. Bob Smith faced reporters after this morning. Ninety minute session. So far as I know they've given no indication they have any further desire often. Did you ask those questions a digital invariably Mr Answer. The questions fell in candidly lieutenant. Strickland and several other officers with homicide division. Mister Davis answered the questions as candidly and honestly as he could There were generally fishing apparently for speculation. which is the same that One can read it in the newspaper kind of thing. What type of speculation that this this was A murder committed Maybe over competition the delvaux business now. It didn't seem to relate to that to an extent at all. What were they trying to suggest adjust to you? They wanted to know suggestions. Davis would have in this regard and of course he doesn't know the other thing is pretty. Ludicrous Ludicrous. I don't have any knowledge as to what happened to us to hammer. He was a personal friend of mine. And I just think it's a terrible tragedy and the people that are in this mud industry buying large almost everyone. I'm have previous criminal records and they are in an industry that I would have to categorize being a racket industries. Much the same as the gambling rackets much the same as the lottery racket. Get much Racket I think it is a racket type of operation then rockets you. It's quite communists the one racketeer snuff out another Thank probably the type of business admits to handle was in had something to do with his gangster houses created written and hosted by me Jason Hope and as a production of imperative entertainment. Shane Freeman is lead engineer with additional editing the production support by myself. 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#EERS S8 Ep198: The IG Report is a Mixed Bag

The Erick Erickson Show

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#EERS S8 Ep198: The IG Report is a Mixed Bag

"L. O. and welcome it. Is Eric Erickson here. The Erik Erikson show across the state of Georgia. The phone number eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine nine seven three seven four to five. Well we have the Horowitz report. Four A for over a year now. People on the right in particular have been treating everybody in politics these days once over bullet LE. Let me let me start at that premise. Everyone in politics wants a silver bullet to take out the other side instead. Head of debating the other side coming up with Paul Public Policy Trying to persuade voters across the board. I'm trying to use the word holistically. It's such a pretentious word but trying to persuade voters across the political aisle that they're right on on issues building a platform around which People people can rally instead Bo side. You're trying to find silver bullets. During the Obama Era Republicans constantly tried to find that one silver bullet often named John Roberts who was going to take out obamacare or there was going to be a magical mysterious birth certificate that would undermine Barack Obama's claims to the presidency or war There was going to be some scandal somewhere. Never mind that the press was protecting him and on and on it went in and then the Democrats do the exact same thing with Donald Trump Muller was going to be this overboard Adam Schiff was gonna be. The silver bullet impeachment was going to be the silver bullet Anonymous was going to be the silver bullet. Hey there was going to be that one thing just that one thing that was going to wipe out. Donald Trump silver bullets are as has mythological. is where wolves I mean. You can make a silver bullet but it's not going to take out your bad guy It's not going to take out your wolf in it. Just the whole the thing is silly. Well the the right has in its own fever swamps over the last couple of years. I can't tell you the number of friends of mine. WHO said Horowitz? What's report the Horowitz? report the Horowitz. Were I had friends who have become detail experts. On what the Horowitz report was going to contain before the Horowitz report ever came out out before the inspector general ever released his report. I had friends who could tell you. Detailed stuff and inconceivably within ten minutes of the Horowitz report being released it was over four hundred pages long and friends of mine had had their detail diagnostic of exactly what it said and how everything the Democrats had ever alleged was ever wrong. Well there's a lot for boost sides to cherry pick out of it overall. What we have is a report that should in fact be troubling to both sides of the aisle there are a lot of conspiracy theories debunked by the DOJ report and? There are a lot of things that people should should be troubled by about the FBI's behavior I it IT'S A. I don't trust though a number of the reporters out there who are covering in it any more than I trust partisans who were covering it mean. For example. I think some of the political reporters have been deeply deeply troubling in how they have approached the situation with the Everything related to the the president and national security and I. I think that that is a fair statement. I think that reporters and number of media outlets could do a much better job and I bring up the politico though because I do actually think that there has been some pretty good coverage. Bridge at politico. On the Horowitz report. And what it said or did not say how it covered things and what it did in fact While there's a lot of debunking of the Horowitz report by a the A lot of debunking of of right wing mythology by the uh-huh by the press and Horwitz report There is in fact deeply troubling Data within the Horowitz report related to the behavior of the FBI. This is not a report that the Democrats should be rallying around as proof of how terrible the president is they can say it debunked claims because it does there are a number of right wing claims that are debunked in this several things. The president has claimed including that the Obama campaign tried to embed someone within his campaign Thoroughly debunked by Horowitz. It's a lot of stuff on the fights application Christopher Steele debunked but there's some serious trouble for the FBI. I mean let me before I get into even and how the mainstream media is cover this not exactly fans of the trump administration. Let me give you some of the detailed reporting from Josh Gerstein Politico who I think actually does a far better Effort at covering the broad scope of this report than some of his colleagues at politico. Who We've been so emotionally invested in getting the president they they're just giddy that some of the president's claims have been debunked and they're not paying attention to some of the underlying underlying in seriousness of what the inspectors found So let me read you. These couple of paragraphs here a highly anticipated Justice Department review of the origins of the federal investigation into potential collusion between the trump campaign and Russia foul no direct evidence of political bias in launching the probe but identified an embarrassing slew of inaccuracies accuracy and omissions by the FBI that marred requests for quartered surveillance of a former trump campaign advisor the report from the Inspector General Michael Horowitz wits foul also revealed for the first time the FBI used a confidential source to approach an unidentified high-level trump up campaign official in September two thousand sixteen who is never the subject of the investigation. The approach revealed nothing of value to the probe Horowitz's review did not find any indication the FBI planted anyone in the campaign as president trump claimed but it did did does bolster that campaign officials were repeatedly the focus of outreach. By confidential human sources seeking to establish whether the campaign was colluding with Russia. The report finds those tactics complied with existing FBI policy but the review contains withering criticism of the Preeminent Law Enforcement Agency for basic fundamental in series errors. Handling the surveillance application for Carter page. We are deeply concerned that so many basic fundamental errors were made by three separate hand picked investigative teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations after the matter had been briefed to the highest levels within the FBI. Even though the information sought through the use of Faiza Authority related so closely to an ongoing presidential campaign and even though those involved with the investigation knew that their actions were likely to be subject to close scrutiny. We believe the circumstances were circumstance reflects a failure not just but what by those who prepared the FIS applications but also by the managers and supervisors in the crossfire hurricane chain of command including FBI senior officials who were briefed as the investigation progressed. The Attorney General is endorsing the Inspector General's critique of the FBI handling of the surveillance process. But he does say that Horowitz's missing data on the predicate to launch the investigation. There is now a separate separate investigation if you'll recall Bill Bar the attorney general has appointed a highly respected. US Attorney from Connecticut. John Durham to be a federal prosecutor to investigate other aspects of how the Russia probe began weirded. Begin and John. Durham signaling is. This is his statement and again Democrats and Republicans alike. Respect John Durham and he says our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities. Both in the US and out of the US based on the evidence collected to date and while our investigation is ongoing. Last month we advise the Inspector General. We do not agree with some of the reports conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened. That is pretty significant. Coming John. Durham here's the problem. Though is trump supporters are now moving goalposts. They they had they had planted their flag on a host of claims that have been debunked by the inspector general and so now they picked up the goalpost of their pay. No attention although stuff look John. Durham is still doing an investigation. Now we gotta wait for. It was always wait for her. which wait for which? Way Horowitz in the run-up to the report yesterday a lot of conservatives aid to today Horowitz is going to come out and undermine all the claims of the Democrats and everything they made an show. What does this was a partisan affair? Well in some cases he didn't in some cases he showed. FBI agents baby very badly but he showed that they did not use the steele dossier. It opened the Russia. Probe he showed Peter Strauss Lisa page where not decision makers these Carter page was the only trump official under surveillance The first quarter page Faiza did contain inaccuracies. In omissions. Steel did was dropped as an F. B. I. source he had a prior relationship with Evonne Khadr up and it turns out. Paul Manafort was under investigation prior to scrutiny in the Russia. Probe those are the things they found. Horowitz faulted that investigators for this is from a different Politico Story Horowitz faulted investigators various aspects of their use of the so-called steele dossier. YEA including relying too heavily on it for warrants for surveillance applications when concerns had been raised about its validity in its source of funding but Horowitz refuted the claims propagated by trump that the Russia investigation had its roots in the dossier the FBI began its investigation of the July. Two Thousands Sixteen based on a tip it received days before about a trump campaign advisor. George Popadopoulos from a foreign ally That would be the Australian ambassador if you recall. And that's part of the Durham investigation now. Apparently while steals reporting for what became the dossier began prior to the opening of the Russia. Probe Horowitz founded the team of investigators. FBI did not become aware of steals reporting until weeks after the investigation began concluded. The dossier played no role. All in the opening. Neither did Lisa Page nor Peter Struck. It turns out that there was never a wiretap of trump tower or the trump campaign pain the FBI did not play it. Spies in the trump campaign and there was Josef Mifsud was not an an FBI informant one. One of the theories put out by some people close to the trump campaign was that there's a professor named Joseph Missile. He's a Russian proxy who informed trump campaign aide George popadopoulos about the Kremlin dirt The interaction set off a series of events that began the Russia. PROBE IT turns out that The Guy was not in league with the FBI. Those are some of the claims sorted boarded but The Democrats are seizing on all of those debunked claims and they're ignoring a lot of the behavior of the FBI that we should be troubled troubled about when it comes to civil rights and how they conduct investigations. Here's Jake Tapper from CNN. But the report of course also outlined some very significant errors errors made by FBI officials. That's right there. were seventeen total instances in which they were substantial inaccuracies cruces or emissions that were left out of these FIS applications these are surveillance warrants that we're targeting Carter page who As we mentioned was a an adviser Sir for the campaign According to Horowitz seventeen such instances in which things were left out or just plainly inaccurate and these were four different warns Jake were were got approval from a court and in each case the FBI simply failed to update the information for for the judges that we're reviewing these Warren's failed updated updated version. Here's James Call Me. Do you think had that in mind today. We need knowledge. The mistakes talked about taking steps to fix a FIS program which also in the report appears to have some serious ask serious weaknesses I think so I mean the report found lots of mistakes. That's really significant. Really unfortunate. But that's why do I g reports and so that's good that he's jumped on that and here is what Ray said Christopher Ray the FBI director plus the biggest takeaway and the most important takeaway from the report for you. Well I think there's a number of takeaways that are important. One that we fully cooperated with this independent review to we fully accept its findings and recommendations nations Pre that the inspector general did not find political bias for improper motivations impacting the opening running of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during investigations including including Pfizer. But that the Inspector Inspector General did find A number of instances were employees either failed to follow our policies neglected to exercise exercise appropriate diligence or in some other way fell short of the standard of conduct and performance that we that I as director expect of all of of our employees but again we are I am ordering forty over forty corrective actions to address all those things in way too robust and serious And we're determined to learn the lessons from this report and make sure the FBI emerges from this even better and stronger they're going to need to to The FBI has undermined its own credibility on the right because of its handling of this and now the inspector general has come out and you bet mainstream media sources pointing out. They really did screw up a lot. Pete Williams is on on NBC and MSNBC One of the best reporters in the business business when it comes to this stuff He genuinely is a well respected reporter on the right and the left listened to what Pete Williams says in his summation of the report says the FBI basically repeatedly screwed up at every level failing to pay enough attention to potential problems with steel failing to tell the Justice Department and it says at one point that the FBI decided to seek this biza warrant even at the risk of being criticized for doing it later because the report says FBI FBI officials they had said they had to get to the bottom of a potentially serious threat to national security. But the inspector general report says the FIS application was in many ways inaccurate. Incomplete or unsupported it says for example that the FBI failed to look at Some problems he's in steals past work but that was never sufficiently addressed a lot of what Republicans claim would come out. In the Horowitz. report did not come out. Many of their theories were debunked by horwitz but their underlying presupposition turned out to be right. And I think that's significant. The underlying presupposition is that The steele dossier prepared by democratic partisans to undermine president president trump was used by the FBI was discredited the FBI agents did not update the court as to how it had been and discredited even after they stopped relying on it and Christopher Steele and either was a polluting of Democratic Thought Processes Z's Democrat Party Democratic Party thought processes within the FBI. There were partisans there who were moving fast to undermine the president part of that was They really did believe. The president was a Russian agent. Part of that was they. Were moving fast. Part of that was they were working through multiple multiple different groups in multiple different channels. And they weren't talking to each other but there's something else here too and something. We need to be concerned about overall. And that is is The behavior of everyone when it comes to pointing fingers at the FBI the FBI pointing fingers. Everyone else who do you believe. Even who do you trust now. Looks like the Horowitz. Report has a lot for everybody to digest happening now with the Democrats are announcing the impeachment of the president. So let me reroute my audio here. So we can hear the speaker of the House making history. It calls at the first order of business for members of Congress. Congress is the solemn apt to take an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States respect respect and gratitude that I thank the chairs of the committees. The six committees have been working to help us honor our oath of office. I also want to thank the staff of those committees and the committee members for all of their work over this period of time to help us protect attack and defense. Thank the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Mr Naylor Chair of the Intelligence Committee Mr Schiff the chair of the ways and Means Committee chairman all these chairman Chairman Routine Neil of Massachusetts cheer the Foreign Enhance Committee. Yeah Yeah Okay Okay okay. She's going to go through all the thinking in process. This happened a short time ago. It does appear and they they essentially there are going to be no Questions for Adam Schiff and they are going to go forward with two articles of impeachment. And let's see if I can pull up the Adam Schiff audio here. Yeah thank you Madam Speaker and to my colleagues good morning. The framers of the Constitution recognized that someday president might come to office this who would abuse that office betray the public trust and undermine national security to secure for help in his reelection and who would seek to abrogate the power of Congress to hold him accountable they recognized this danger and they prescribe a remedy and that remedy is impeachment. It is an extraordinary remedy and one that I've been reluctant to recommend the president. Trump gave Congress no alternative. You've we stand here today. Because the president's continuing abuse of his power has left us no choice to do nothing would make ourselves complicit said in the president's abuse of his office the Public Trust and our national security. The presence misconduct is as simple and as terrible bull as this president trump solicited. We'll we'll get into more of this when we come back. But needless say the Democrats have decided to impeach the president. Two articles of impeachment bribery is not one of them contrary to the talking points and claims of the Democrats and nothing about the concentration camps. I thought they were serious about about that. One we'll get into this when we come back I gotta say it. It really is remarkable that e after months of telling us the president was running concentration camps The Democrats have not included that in their articles of impeachment. Peter Dow is a I mean he is in the Hillary Clinton Colt. I mean this guy is is absurdly partisan in favor of Hillary Clinton more than anyone else Let me let me read you. This tweet Torturing children no impeachment richman inciting anti media violence no impeachment stoking Nazi terrorism. No impeachment entire more report. No impeachment violating emoluments clause no impeachment threatening political opponents. No impeachment shame on you din leaders. Someone clearly believed the docking talking points. never believed the talking points people on either side never believe the talking points. Think for yourself all right Jerry. Nadler and Adam Schiff have spoken. Look in there. They're coming out with their articles of impeachment. Let's listen first to Jerry. Nadler Mr Nathan. Thank you Madam. Speaker over the last several months. Investigative Committees of the House have been been engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump's efforts to solicit foreign interference in the two thousand twenty elections efforts. That compromise compromised our national security and threatened the integrity of our elections throughout this inquiry. He has attempted to conceal the evidence from from Congress. And from the American people. Our president holds the ultimate public trust when he betrays that trust and puts himself himself before country. He endangers the constitution. He endangers our democracy and the endangers our national security the framers of the constitution prescribed clear remedy for presidents who so violate their oath of office. That is the power of impeachment today in service to our duty to the constitution and to our country the House Committee on the judiciaries introducing articles of impeachment charging the President of the United States Donald J trump with committing. High crimes and misdemeanors misdemeanors. The first article is for abuse of power. It is an impeachable offense for the president to exercise the powers of his public office to obtain an improper personal benefit while ignoring or in injuring the national interest. I that is exactly what President Trump did when he solicited and pressured Ukraine to interfere in our two thousand twenty presidential presidential election thus damaging our national security undermining the integrity of the next election and violating his oath to to the American people. These accidents moreover are consistent with president trump's previous invitations of foreign interference in two thousand thousand sixteen presidential election notice perpetuating the mythology that the president had something to do with Russia. Here's Adam Schiff as well With with some of his claims to act with such urgency. Today let me fast forward here. The evidence of the presence of his conduct is overwhelming and uncontested. And how could it not be when the president's own words on July twenty fifth. I would like you to do us a favor though lays so bear. His intentions is willing to sacrifice the national security for his own personal interests and when the president got caught he committed his second impeachable act obstruction of Congress of the very ability to make sure that no one is above the law. Not even the president of the United States. The evidence is every bit as strong that President Trump has obstructed congress fully without precedent and without basis in law. If allowed to stand it would decimate Congress's ability to conduct oversight of this president or any other in the future leaving this president and those who follow to be free to be as corrupt malfeasance or incompetent as they would like with no prospect of discovery or accountability ability. Now some would argue. Why don't you just wait? Why don't you just wait until you get these witnesses? The White House refuses to produce. Why don't you just wait until you get the documents? The White House refuses to turn over and people should understand what that argument really means. It has taken US eight months to get a lower court ruling that Don mcgann has no absolute right to defy congress. Eight months for one court decision if it takes US another eight months to get a second court or maybe a Supreme Court decision people need to understand stand that is not the end of the process. It comes back to us and we ask questions because he no longer has absolute immunity and then he claims something something else that his answers are privileged and we have to go to back to court for another eight or sixteen months the argument. Why don't you just wait? Amounts I just this. Why don't you just let him cheat in one more election? Why not let him cheat just one more time? Why not let him have Ford help? Just one more time you know. I need to stop this there. and point out We have the Miller or report. Didn't happen that didn't happen. They're impeaching the president over mythology. That's what's going on here. They're impeaching the president over a mythology. The president and of the United States has done what he asked Ukraine to look into the crowd strike stuff from two two thousand sixteen and check out the Biden allegations that he believed had been dropped for political influence the Ukrainians did none of that. The President God no help he got no help. From the Russians in two thousand sixteen the Russians tried to undermine the election generally and yet here is the chairman the House Intelligence Committee claiming that the President Cheated in twenty sixteen. That's what this is about. That's what this is about about. The Democrats are still mad about the two thousand sixteen election. They're not mad about the president's behavior. They're not mad about the Ukraine Phone Kohl. They're not mad about what the president said an office. They're mad that he won shift has just given the game away. That's that's really profound that the Democrats are essentially. They really are listen. I would much prefer a president pence to president trump. I I'm not opposed was to if they find something impeaching the president but what Adam Schiff is saying here is is he just wants to undermine the election from two thousand sixteen he he calls in doubt he believes the Russians sold for the president. And I'm sorry that that stealing the election. That's taking the election away from the American people who who who did an election. There's no evidence that the Russians were ever able to steal the election. There's no evidence that that their money on facebook was able to actually persuade people to change their votes. There's there's no evidence. They hacked the election machines and stole votes. What there is is a candidate on the democratic side who sucked as a candidate didn't go to three key swing states that she should have gone to and she lost them and president trump one? Now you can disliked the president. I don't particularly care for the guy on a lot of stuff but for Adam Schiff to come out and say the president cheated in two thousand sixteen. The mold report debunked that the molar report said. It's not true. The report said there was no indication of the Russians. Colluding with the trump campaign. The Horowitz report came out yesterday and and said the same thing that the trump team and the Russians were not collaborating together and yet the Democrats now are rushing. She now the gate to impeach the president of the United States. They have failed to make a bipartisan effort to do so they haven't of it convinced any Republicans to come on board and now they're saying this is about twenty sixteen it's not about. It's not about Ukraine. It's about two thousand sixteen. It's about believing the president cheated. I don't think the president and should have done what he did with Ukraine. I think it was wrong. But then I think tariffs are wrong. I think the president's behavior online is wrong. I think a lot of the president's angry tweets are wrong but just because something is wrong does not mean it's impeachable we've lost the ability to nuance distinguish in the country. Wrong does not mean impeachable It means I disagree with him. I think it was bad. I think you should have done something else. But wrong is not impeachable and while the Democrats are saying here is essentially. They don't like the president's behavior and they don't like what the president has done in Ukraine. And they think that the president cheated and in two thousand sixteen and they want to stop him from cheating beating in two thousand twenty th they think he cheated for one court decision if it takes us another eight months to get a second court or maybe a supreme cream court decision people need to understand that is not the end of the process. It comes back to us and we ask questions because he no longer has absolute immunity mm unity and then he claims something else that his answers are privileged and we have to go to back to court for another eight or sixteen months the argument. Why why don't you just wait amounts to this? Why don't you just let him cheat in one more election? Why not let him cheat just one more time? Why not let him have Ford help just one more time? All of that was was debunked by the Miller report. Do we need to read back through the Miller report. Do we need to because is it's there in the mole report that the campaign did not get foreign help from the Russians. It's they're in the Miller report. That were the Democrats have claimed wasn't true. It's they're in the molar report that the Russians wanted to systematically undermine our election and have each other in the United States at each other's throat they've succeeded exceeded beyond their wildest dreams in that but the president didn't Cheat Hillary Clinton sucked. There's a difference in the Democrats don't don't seem to understand it. And that is deeply problematic for where we had as a country next on his news and conservative. You never separated from the true. It's the Erik. Erikson John Show. Hello there it is Eric Erickson here the irks and show across the state of Georgia the phone number. If you want to be part of the program eight seven seven nine seven the Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five I feel like Given what has happened in Washington today with the With the impeachment We we should use the CNN. Montage that gavel coming down. I'm Jake Tapper in Washington and you're watching watching special coverage of this historic day. This is a historic day here in the nation's capital it will be a historic day ahead. Or you're watching. CNN special live coverage of of what can only be described as historic as this is turning out to be a historic day. A very important another very very important at historic workday a very historic and important AAC another historic day here in Washington historic day. Here in the nation's capital Chris. This is going to be another historic day here in Washington at at the end of long and certainly historic day a truly historic day. It wasn't historic day on Capitol Hill Historic Day with millions watching star historic day on this historic workday. Just getting started on this important historic day. It is a historic day on Capitol Hill historic gay on Capitol Hill impeachment each moment of the president of the United States. They have a problem though. Americans are not sold independence or not sold The Republicans do not sold. There is no bipartisanship Here's Mercedes slap a WHO worked at the White House on with Laura Ingraham last night before the article article scheme but we knew the articles were coming here. We go the Democrats really. Can't see how this is all helping trump. But I can tell you all the messages I was getting from from friends and associates across the country. People are getting they just think the Democrats gas. Oh there's no question and I would I like what are your teeth as media pieces for example and they start saying the dark our they've been talking about the White House in crisis since the president became president. It's the crisis and really it's the Democrat Party and the media. That's in crisis. The Democrats were trying and praying that they could sell all this narrative of impeachment Laura. They have failed dramatically. The American people especially these targeted states. We've seen these polls are basically saying wait a second. Let's get these policy. The issues resolved. Let's get US MCA pass. Jail tax states like Pennsylvania. Impact states like Wisconsin and Michigan as opposed to what we're seeing right now. which is that? They're they're not buying it once. These hearings came came out publicly fell flat. Va So what are we. There you go it. All fell flat the the Democrats. They haven't been able to make a case on impeachment to the American people this so I can't emphasize this as part enough. Republicans were able to get a bipartisan impeachment. Against Bill Clinton Democrats Democrats haven't been able to do that with Donald Trump now. Why Democrats are convinced that nothing they say or do would persuade Republicans Republicans but behind the scenes? They know. That's not true that the public facade of this so much of this is public facade. So here's the thing If the Democrats Democrats lose in twenty twenty two donald trump the media narrative is going to be impeachment. Hurt the Democrats if if Democrats win in two thousand twenty the media narrative will be that actually impeachment was genius and it helped galvanize the American Public Donald Trump. They will write the narrative base on impeachment based on what happens in November of next year. Then the Democrats will spin and the media will gladly accept the spin from the Democrats on this but Republicans were able to make a bipartisan case against Bill Clinton Democrats can't make a bipartisan case. Right now in the big galvanizing issue here is that the Democrats have not offered the Republicans anything. They haven't been willing to to accept any of the Republican witnesses. They haven't been able to accept it either. Revolt glimpse. They haven't been willing to go through the motions to try to even build a bipartisan case. Because because this is all about galvanizing the democratic basis not actually about impeaching the president. They don't have the votes in the Senate to impeach the president and so the Republicans are left to conclude honestly conclude that this has never really been about throwing the president out of office. This has been about mobilizing the democratic base for next year. It looks like this as electioneering not constitutional. It looks like this is about the election. Not The impeachment moment. It looks like the Democrats are so convinced that they've got to do everything to get the presidency. They've been saying we got impeach. The president in order to win in two thousand twenty. It has nothing to do with actually throw him out of office. It has to do with galvanizing the democratic base fundraising off the Democratic Base. Doing all of these things. It's it's not gonNA work publicly the Democrats say there's nothing they can do to persuade Republicans to come along with them privately. They know. Oh that's not true privately. They know they're about two dozen Republicans leaving Congress half of them don't like the president. The ones who are retiring. All they needed was for the Democrats to throw. I'm a bone and they would have come up with something will heard from south. Texas doesn't like the president but he needed more than what the Democrats were willing to offer when they didn't want to go there Adam Schiff saying they would have to fight this out in court. Yeah they'd have to fight it out in court if you get those witnesses but so. They didn't do their due diligence in this impeachment. And so now what's going to happen very. Interestingly is they will go to the Senate and what they want is a trial in the Senate they WANNA spectacle in the United States Senate and what the Democrats are really hoping is that in the United States Senate There will be enough evidence evidence on display that they can undermine the president and that is problematic. I think I think the the Democrats will be sending out fundraising this afternoon. I in fact I'm sure the Democrats will be sending out fundraising efforts this afternoon. But so will the president. The president has a rally plan tonight and Pennsylvania key location is it not Pennsylvania he will go to Pennsylvania he will meet privately lead this afternoon with the Russian Foreign Minister of the White House he will then fly to Pennsylvania for rally. You know the rally will be on Fox News and by the way. There's interesting data out on Fox News that plays plays into this turns out that in two hundred ninety nine of the four hundred Some odd congressional districts out there Fox News is the most watched sh news network. I WANNA spend a little time on this later. But it's deeply deeply relevant to impeachment as everybody fixate S- in seventy per nearly seventy percent of congressional districts Fox News is the most watched news outlet in seventy percent percents congressional districts people. This is from Joanna Pearson's At morning consult people tend to seek out news that reinforces pushes their own ideologies in a news analysis. More than one million responses gathered over the past year suggests the country's much hungry for red meat morning console data from one million one one hundred twenty four thousand three hundred sixty eight responses gathered November first two thousand eighteen through October thirty first. Two thousand nine hundred provides a unique look at weekly viewership of CNN Fox News Msnbc among Democrats Independents and Republicans in every US Congressional district and reveals the awesome reach of one outlet in particular Fox. It's news it is the most watched cable news outlet in two hundred ninety nine of the four hundred thirty six districts by a margin of two percentage points the conservative leading cable giant which launched Nineteen ninety-six has led cable and Total Dave Yours for the last forty months according to Nielsen residents in sixty eighty. Three districts watch nonpartisan. CNN The most by the same margin and Luckily Nimitz NBC's the most watched cable news channel in only one congressional district California's second a Democratic District district that encompasses the state's coast north of San Francisco. That's going to matter. It's going to matter in how impeachment is shaped. It's going to matter in. Why the Democrats doc rats have not been able to build a bipartisan consensus? The the Democrats and this is the key here. This is the important key. 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If you WANNA be a part of the program Graham today eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven. Three seven four to five In the words of Wolf Blitzer at CNN historic day. The Democrats have issued articles of impeachment against the President of the United States in part because of the president's president supposed- cheating in the election in twenty sixteen. Which of course he didn't actually do in the Mola report thoroughly debunked but to set the stage here before we take your phone calls? Here's Adam Schiff announcing why they don't want to wait any further further witnesses. Why they don't want courts to get involved volved authorizing witnesses to come for one court decision if it takes us another eight months to get a second court or maybe a Supreme Court decision decision people need to understand that is not the end of the process it comes back to us and we ask questions because he no longer has absolute immunity and then he claims something else that his answers are privileged and we have to go to back to court for another eight or sixteen months the argument? Why don't you just wait amounts to this? Why don't you just let him cheat in one more election? Why not let him cheat just one more time? Why not let him have four help just one more time? That is what that argument for four. Okay so essentially. The Miller report said the trump campaign did not coordinate with the Russians. In Two thousand sixteen. The Russians did want to disrupt corrupt the American electoral process But the trump campaign did not coordinate with them. Here comes Adam shifts say Why don't you just let him cheat one more election one at letting cheat one more time? Why not have foreign help just one more time that presumes then that Adam Schiff believes president trump did cheat in two thousand sixteen eighteen and did coordinate with the Russians? Though the Mueller investigation is clear that he did not the Russians certainly did want undermine the election and by the end of the election certainly wanted to hurt Hillary Clinton and helped Donald Trump But there's no evidence the Russians rigged the election. There's no evidence. They stole the election. There's no evidence that the trump campaign coordinated made with them When there is evidence of Hillary Clinton was a crummy candidate who didn't go to Michigan Pennsylvania? Wisconsin like her husband told her to And lost herself. The election had gone to the state she might have been able to pull it off as so essentially. The Democrats are admitting they are impeaching the president of the United States for mythology from twenty any sixteen. That's that's why they're impeaching him. Doug Collins was on with Fox News here just a few moments ago. I grabbed the audio while we were in commercial mersal period but that's the allegation number two obstruction of Congress. He is not above the law. Says Chairman Nadler back to Doug Collins. You're listening and your reaction now here on the Republican. Yeah well it's it's just amazing. I know but it's very telling that they all walked off stage and didn't answer a question that to me is really tailing while the speaker of the House. You just now St- articles impeachment. You get your five committee chairs. You had Adam Schiff you had Jerry Nadler. You have. And they wouldn't take questions. I mean that tells me that they're really not inherently comfortable with what they're doing and I think this is the problem that we have Adam. Schiff has heard his voice for so long he simply believes what he's saying without any evidence of truth or any evidence of of facts here they simply simply won't get the clock in the calendar because they are so obsessed is so fearful that president trump is going to win again next November that they don't even Perceive the problems that they have A. It's very telling to me Muller. Didn't come up and neither did the fact of the quid pro quo robbery. All the focus group problems that they've had a little bit. They went with abusive lowry's they can define. What does that tell you sir tells me they have no case? It tells me that they tried everything they could so they had to come up with a two morphs things that they could come up with might born being but they they have the votes. We've known best shot bill. We've had that since November last year. We let me get. I felt about it yesterday. Main motive and opportunity. The opportunity came when they won the election last November. This has been a foregone conclusions as November of last year. Don't make any mistake about that. That they were soon as they had the majority there. We're GONNA to do this. And they tried everything possible from whitaker we went from cavenaugh. We went to remember my chairman. Who ran to be chairman? I'm the best handle impeachment in November of last year. And he's I two things as he was called over her saying. I'm going to impeach the president and Cavanaugh. I mean this is a man who is obsessed with not serving the public defending his oath of office. He's obsessed with impeaching the president. Everybody else with one more question here. Adam Schiff said we will leave it there. That was that was collins now to the phones to the phones. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven. Four five Jimmy. You're going to be up. I welcome good morning morning. How are you good? I'm good I have a quick question for you I don't understand why nobody on republican side at least that I've not seen of the Democrat while q WanNa find out if there's something going on with by well okay you know. I'm glad you raised this issue. Did you know yesterday. Doug Collins Be Congressman from here in Georgia began that discussion on the art while the Democrats were arguing over articles of impeachment raised that issue and ABC CBS NBC. All of which were covering the hearing live left and went to commercial break when Doug Collins began talking about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and the Democrats. Of course what nothing to do with Talking about the Biden's I gotTa tell you. I really do think that Biden is the Democratic nominee at this point The other Democrats are divided divided on this issue is going to come back to get him in. Two Thousand Twenty Biden has happened to come out now and say that he hundred Biden is going to do nothing Internationally while his dad is in the White House and and how can his dad enforce that I have no idea. Thanks very much for the phone. Call Jimmy in fact here's a PBS. Had A panel channel of reporters not pundits but the panel of reporters on PBS. Last night. Listen to this Mak- I think is onto something The Republicans have not yet been able to get to their arguments but wait. It's coming after the break. The familiar refrains about the aid was actually delivered that the President Obama. Uh I'm sorry. The president trump had a tougher policy. Then did President Obama hearsay and all the other arguments about corruption than it become become so familiar millier. I also think that while it may not have been illegal or even inappropriate perhaps for Hunter Biden to have been taking a monthly retainer from Burris Ma I just think that sort of clouds the atmosphere of whether it was proper for president trump to inquire about corruption. I think that is something that is sort of stuck out as I've sort of Talk to people outside of Washington the rest and it's a simple fact that people don't quite the understand. I even heard Vice President Biden sort of struggling to answer that question in an interview on. HBO Last Night. So that sort of hangs out there. And I think makes things that much more difficult for the Democrats to make the case. It does make it more difficult for the Democrats to make their case. They're they're going to have a hard time. The Democratic Party out there is GonNa Struggle to answer the questions about Joe Biden and hundred by in large part because Joe Biden himself has struggled about these things. this is you heard the reporter on axios or on On PBS mentioned. The axes interview with Joe Biden Let me play you some of this audio from Joe Biden discussing with Mike Allen of politico or. I'm sorry I'm with polio vaccine on HBO. Joe Biden discussing the hundred situation. He didn't handle it. Well on your son Hunter Biden. President trump says sweep. Joe Has Real. Problems reminds me of crooked. Hillary thirty three thousand deleted emails. What what are the Ukraine charges about you have been debunked and were unbear- one thing that what Democrats even do wonder about and that is hunter by your son was getting paid? A lot of money to serve on the board of the Ukrainian energy company facing serious corruption charges. You were the vice president running point on Ukraine the average Joe. Here's that and says that sounds fishy. Whats your understanding of what your son was doing for? An extraordinary amount of I don't know what he was doing. I know he was on the board. I found out he was on the board after he's on board and that was it and there's nobody time isn't that something you WanNa and get to the bottom of no because I trust my son but that doesn't pass the smell like when you're vice president. Isn't there a higher standard. You need to know what's happening with your family. Doing need need to put down some guardrails on on less there was something that was something that was wrong. There's nothing on his face. It was wrong so look if you WanNa talk about problems you know. Let's talk about trump's family. I mean come on. This is so amazing so you think that everything that happened was kosher. You know there's not one single bit of evidence about one Biden this point his positioning positioning them. Hand towards Mike Allen. You know that but you keep asking me these questions. It's okay he you know you're you're you're doing what you have to do but I'm not worried about it. Look the American public knows me last one on this. Say you're elected you're in office. What guardrails would you have to be? Sure that your son your brother. Jimmy doesn't do anything to trade on the family name. They will not be engaged in any foreign business. Because of what's happened in this administration issue. No one's going to be seeking patents for things China. No one's going to be engaged in that kind of thing so no foreign four and business for correct relatives. That was axios interviewing Joe Biden. Here's okay I realize I will be accused of being partisan when I say this Despite well you know I'm in the in the fund position of hating them all these days off. Aw all of them just politics has gotten gross. But can I just say a and I think I'm being objective here. Your mileage may vary objectively. I think Joe Biden has now what three months Cova December really September October November. He's had three full months minimum to prepare for this line of questioning. He said three full months minimum. Mom to prepare for this line of questioning. And he can't do it he can't answer he can't talk about but he can't engage with it without getting mad and I understand the protectiveness The the the willingness to protect his son I I get that at particularly given His sons battles with his own demons. I get the protective nature of Dad wanting to protect his son but Joe Biden is running to be president of the United States and he can't answer questions about his son and without getting defensive. And there's a reason for that you need to understand. It is because Americans intuitively understand. Understand that when a president has a son or when vice president has a son who is getting wealthy off his dad's time in office it reflects poorly on the father and Biden as vice. President had a son who was doing these things and his son already gave an interview where he said he told his dad. What was going on and Joe Biden in his said his aides did not tell him it was wrong? Why do you need to be told that it's wrong? What win listen and if my son? I'm on radio statewide in Georgia. If my son were to go out to businesses in Georgia in try to recruit them as clients if they had business before the legislature and say. I'm not going to lobby for you. You put me on my on your payroll and my dad's ads GonNa talk you up on the radio all the state legislature listens. That would be wrong now. My kids just turned eleven yesterday so it's not going to happen. But but if he did that would be wrong. If if I if I had a child who went out and told businesses put me on your payroll and I'm GonNa Talk You up to my dad So that you get favorable treatment by my dad because you're taking care of me it may not be criminal but it would be wrong. The Democrats are making the case that the president needs to be impeached largely because he did nothing criminal but he did something wrong. He did something that was abusive in office. He he did something that was an abuse of office. He did something That that no president should do in that. Any reasonable person should recognize. No president should do and that in so doing he was securing for himself and his family. Personal gain this one hundred. Did he didn't do anything criminal. There's no allegation that Hunter Biden did anything criminal would he did. Is he traded on his father's name to enrich himself and there are allegations in fact That he talked up these companies that were paying him to his father to whether or not they actually got favorable treatment to tip to get favorable treatment. There there's no evidence. They got favorable treatment because they were paying hundred but the Democrats want to impeach the president for doing abusive use of unethical things that were not illegal and they want to ignore the Joe Bites if the president of the United States is not going to to ignore this. And and this I think is the thing I just take this away from this conversation. The Democrats impeaching president trump. Insurer four that the Hunter Biden stuff is going to be a big issue next year on the campaign trail and the fact that Joe Biden has had three months minimum to to prepare for answers to the questions and can't do it without beginning. Combative does not bode well for the Democrats. If you weren't here in the first hour uh I did say I thought. It was notable that after several months of Democrats claiming the president is operating concentration camps along the southern border operating concentration camps is not one of the articles of impeachment. Yeah so maybe there are no concentration camps at this other you know. Actually I put this on twitter. I tweeted out remarkable. The Democrats are not impeaching the president for operating concentration camps. I guess they're okay with them. Were maybe they made it all up and several Democrats have responded. Well it's comprehensive. They're going to impeach him on something as opposed to they've been lying to you. There is a stunning contrast in Washington. Today that that I think is is really amazing The Democrats are actually going to hand the president significant legislative victories in the House representatives. Today everyone so focused on impeachment today in the press conference and the articles of impeachment and In fact the Democrats are going to pass the US. MCA The revision with the Mexico. Canada United States Mexico Canada agreement. And they're we're going to pass the paid family. Leave Act that Ivanka. Trump is one of. They're going to pass both of those things today. While also impeaching the very same president who will sign those things in law will that make those those measures illegitimate They say this is an illegitimate president. And and yet they're treating him as if he's illegitimate reminds me of the Democrats here in Georgia Treating Brian Kipah. Some mm sort of illegitimate governor and yet They're trying to curry favor with him on all sorts of things around the state so yes Democrats let's we'll be passing and I I gotTa tell you revise me the ever Dixon Quota Everett Dirksen Rather Dirksen was the Senate Republican leader. This is attributed to him by all sorts of people but it has never actually been confirmed that he said it. It's one of my favorite quotes about American politics though There are two parties in Washington. DC The stupid party and the evil party every once in a while these stupid party in the Evil Party get together and they do something. That is both stupid and evil. And that's what the press calls a bipartisan us on accomplishment there are two parties in Washington. DC The stupid party in the evil party every once in a while the stupid party and the Evil Party get together and they do something something that both stupid and evil. And that's what. The press calls a bipartisan accomplishment. Or today they'll call it the. US MCA in the paid family. Leave Act I. Just I'm I'm philosophically opposed goes to the federal government. Mandating paid family leave I. I'm sorry I know it makes me a heartless jerk but I'm philosophically opposed to the federal government. Mandating paid paid family leave. I think it is a Nanny state big government program that drives up the cost to companies that didn't impacts. They're not only bottom line but their ability to hire people. But that's okay. I'm in the minority. I realize it you know when I was a political consultant would run candidates for office. I would always tell them No when you're you know when you think you're right and everyone else thinks you're wrong no when you're in the minority But you think you're right And understand that so I can take a position understand. I'm in the minority and still I believe I'm right but That should put in perspective. How I go about talking about now? I'm not running for office. Just be blunt with you. I think it's a terrible idea and I realize I'm in the minority. Oh you need to let the mommy stay home and raise the babies and they go back door. Here's the problem though. You're in a high profile job. You're an executive accompanying you take paid family leave and then then you start complaining that their bothering you at home. Will you know what you chose to be in a high executive position And make yourself indispensable person. Don't be surprised when your fortune in five hundred company decide you actually are an indispensable person and continues to bother you while you're on paid family leave time whether you're a mom or a daddy I I. I saw somebody. The other day complained about this online. That did they were on it. It was actually. It was a guy who is taking a spousal leave after a new board and he was complaining that his company called every day to check in his assistant was calling with things to get his feedback on and he was complaining that he was on leave. I'm sorry sorry but you're the guy who wanted that promotion to get into that particular position Where you're now relied on by an entire company for your judgment on things and you WANNA take Several months off with no communication with you can't do that. No company can sustain itself that long if you do that. But I'm I realize I'm in the minority and it makes me a bad guy bla-bla-bla when we come back we talk about the Richard Jewel movie please. It's getting all sorts of buzz out there including from here in Georgia with the JC. It is Eric Erickson. Listen here across the state of Georgia. I want to shift gears away from impeachment and the like And we'll we'll get back to that. It will take your phone calls as well. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. But I I wanNA spend a moment on the Richard Richard. Jewell move me movie and I WANNA be a little I I WANNA be a exercise discretion in how I talk about it and I'll albee up front and full disclosure with you I do an evening radio show on on WSB in Atlanta and it is owned by the Cox Media Group and and Our flagship station for this show as well is WG A in Athens. Where I'm my show comes from to the rest of you? It it is also owned by Cox and the Atlanta Journal Constitution is owned by Cox so it is as a sister media outlet to the outlets that. Pay My bills So I I want you to know all of that as far as conflict of interest disclosure and everything else going into this Clint Eastwood has a new movie. Coming out Richard Richard Jewel. It is about Richard Jewel the hero of the nineteen ninety six Olympics For those of you. Unfamiliar With the story in Nineteen ninety-six. Six A man planted a bomb at Centennial Olympic. Park and Richard Jewel was the Eric Robert. Rudolph offers that he hit out the mountains wherever he was captured in. Two thousand five he'd also blown up at abortion clinic or some such a killed an abortion doctor But Richard Jewel was is the security guard at Centennial Olympic. Park during the bombing and he saw the the backpack in which the bomb was and eh called it in and begin getting people into the area. I think one or two people were killed. The number of people injured but Richard Jewell was a certifiable genuine when hero he saw the bomb did exactly what is training called him to do and got people out of the way now. Richard Jewell was not a police officer he worked worked as an independent contractor through security firm and had idolized police. A law enforcement and that became an issue and there were some within the FBI and the media who suspected that jewel had manufactured the bomb in order order to make himself a hero and to gain exposure and notoriety and there were many news outlets that ran the details details of what the FBI suspected including at the JC and The ritual wound up suing them all the case against the AJC went on until Jewel Bentley died of a heart condition and a lot of his cases were dismissed Including I think the AJC case as wound up ultimately going nowhere for him but He was ultimately vindicated in declared a hero by multiple outlets and people people he was redeemed but in getting Richard Jewel to that point it is flat out. What's what's undeniable that media outlets savaged Richard Jewell's reputation? And Frankly I. I don't think it is disputed that local media outlets in Georgia also played a role in Casting doubts on Richard Jewel and reporters will tell you and they will argue until they're blue in the face that they weren't actually casting doubt on Richard Joel that the FBI had suspicions about jewel and they were just reporting that well. In the movie of the Richard Jewel movie there is an AJC reporter who is featured. She's played by Olivia Wilde And the actual reporters now deceased and there is a suggestion that she had sexual relations with the FBI agent and that's how she got the information now as it was originally portrayed in and this is again and media outlets ran with this part of the story without having seen the movie as it was originally portrayed aid or as it was originally suggested some media outlets the movie shows this reporter having sex with the FBI agent and the FBI agent telling her that Richard Jewel Is the chief. Suspect she runs with and it begins the spiraling out of control of what happened with Richard Jewel. Now actually what the movie shows shows. According to those who have now seen the movie is that she suggests that they should sleep with each other But you don't actually see that on camera and it is a suggestion made made and ironically many of the media outlets that have gone just dialed up to eleven on a ten point scale of outrage outrage over Clint Eastwood Made their initial claims that Clint Eastwood is going to portray this reporter is sleeping with the FBI agent to get get a source of information The movie according to the Hollywood reporter does not actually show that the movie just says There's a suggestion that maybe this happened. That the reporter says when we're going to sleep with each other have sex or whatever I'm trying to be delicate here. There may be kids in the car with you are wherever you are. You're listening but So it seems like some of the initial reporting from some of the initial news outlets got it wrong as to what the movie actually depicts a but there is a suggestion gesture in the movie that maybe she did this. I gotTa Tell You The movie into they disclaimer the AJC the constitution and Cox Enterprises Is Demanding Mandy a disclaimer to make it very clear that there is no evidence that there reporter slept with an FBI agent to get information. The the movie actually has a disclaimer at the end of it. That says that there are The the history is true What what the story depicted is true but that there are certain things within the movie That are not true but or to make the movie and and that's not good enough for the AJC understandably so here. Here's where I come down on this why I think this is something that we do need to pay some attention to. It is interesting to me to see the media out now demanding clarification demanding disclaimer and demanding gene information that that writes perceived wrongs about Clint Eastwood Movie. That they haven't seen without seeing the movie and it is much the the same media. That maligned indisputably maligned. Richard Jewel. That being said I don't think maligning a dead reporter to tell a story is the right thing to do. I don't think that Attacking this reporter in making. It seem like she did sleep with an F. B. I.. Agent to get information is a good decision by By Clint Eastwood let me read you. Part of the deadline reporting reporting Marty singer who is a lawyer representing Cox Enterprises in the Atlanta Journal Constitution Senator Letter and said it is highly ironic that a film purporting to tell a tragic story of how the reputation of an FBI suspect was grievously. Tarnished appears bit on a path to severely tarnish rhenish the reputation of the AJC a newspaper with a respected hundred fifty year-old publishing legacy fueled by controversy of the past two weeks over the film's depiction of the Olivia Wilde portrayed. Kathy scruggs allegedly trading sex with an FBI agent for information that security guard jewel was their lead suspect in the nineteen ninety six Atlanta Olympics bombing. The correspondents ascend today makes no bones about the next step being defamation lawsuit in various jurisdictions against danced against Clint Eastwood and Warner Brothers. Now Warner Brothers is doubling down own on this in saying they are prepared to fight this lawsuit against filed by the JC They call it baseless This is from also from deadline Warner brothers is more than willing to take on the newspaper. According to this report A studio source confirmed a deadline that there has always been a disclaimer in the movie that reads the disclaimer. At the end of the film is The film is based on actual historic events dialogue and certain events and characters contained in the film were created for the purpose of dramatization. The scene apparently in the movie by those who have seen it does not show that That MS scruggs slept with an FBI agent But instead have her in conversation with the F. B. I. Agent here's the the deadline in paragraph paragraph here relevant paragraph while not explicitly showing anything. There is a scene in the film in which Wilde's character scruggs basically asks and FBI source where they're they're going to have sex after getting insider information on the bombing investigation by the bureau. What the media did to Richard Jewell was wrong? It was a feeding frenzy and Clint Eastwood has been on a roll with a lot of movies. of late his his hero series as some people are going to our anti hero series as some people are calling it where he chronicles people who I guess you could call him Call Them anti-heroes rose Nontraditional heroes where I mean even the mule He plays I mean he plays as real people he plays a or people who are based on real people like in the mule Earl Zone. He does American sniper He does The trouble with the curve The grand jury this history of movies where he's been putting out these movies just their icon. ICK MOVIES I mean. Just just listen to the the last line of movies that he's done these are it starts with American sniper and then there is sully and then there's the fifteen seventeen to Paris And then there's the mule now there's Richard Jewel and he chronicles a number of people. Who they they have interesting stories? Were oftentimes maligned in the press or were mischaracterized in the press or misunderstood by the press and Clint Eastwood has sought to Tell L. E. compelling story that gets their story right in Richard Jewel case. It was yes the FBI was concerned concerned about Richard Jewel and he. He fit a profile of someone who because of his infatuation with the law enforcement Maybe just maybe he was a suspect now in truth the FBI treats everyone as a as a suspect and in truth the F. B. I Quickly dismissed him but the media continue to portray him as a suspect in October of nineteen ninety six the US attorney. Ken Alexander Sent Richard Jewel letter formerly clearing him stating that based on. The evidence developed a date. Richard Jewell is not considered a target of the Federal Criminal Investigation into the bombing on July twenty seven nineteen ninety-six at Centennial Olympic Park. He was never charged The FBI searched his home. They questioned associates. They were ruling everyone out and Jill because he found the bomb way and the profile of someone who wanted media attention for being a hero pro fit the profile but he was actually a euro. Here's the thing though. I think Kevin Reilly in the AJC have merit merit to their argument that you should not portray journalist is sleeping with someone for sourcing information Just to sex up a movie movie. When you're essentially in order to redeem Richard Jewel maligning someone else unfairly? There's no evidence that she even suggested that she in the FBI agents should lead to. This is a real reporter. This is a real woman with a real family and she is now dead into she is no longer here to defend herself. and Richard Jewel is no longer here to defend himself. And I I I really do think it's bad form for this movie and I see people say oh. It's really rich for for the media to become an after all this stuff. Look what they did to Richard Jewell. And and I'm in that camp. But I also think is really rich of a movie to try to defend and rehabilitate the character in honor of a man. Dan in part by tearing down the character of someone else who was just doing her job as a reporter who in her reporting was actually covering that the F. B. I really did believe he was potentially the bomber. Richard Jewell got a terrible rap. He was so terribly maligned. He he was ostracized he. His life was ruined for a period of time. It was hard on him. It was hard on his mother mother. It was hard on his friends. But what about Kathy scruggs. Who many people were going to watch the movie? And they're gonNA say. Oh well. This is just a fictional character concocted to tell the story no shoes real person. She had a real family. She lost her battle with cancer. And I I just. I wish that Clint Eastwood had chosen differently now. I don't think that the suit route can i. There was a suggestion conversation in a dramatization. I don't think they have a basis for the lawsuit but I I gotta say I understand their outrage over. This and I don't think that we need to play tit for tat. We don't say well they did. Richard Rule it's turnabouts fairplay. No turnabouts not fair play. This isn't grade school. This isn't kindergarten I intend to see this movie. It is getting incredible reviews in early releases. It is a story that should be told but I will go into it. Understanding that in redeeming Richard Jewel. They made a decision. Clint Eastwood made a decision To sex it up a a little bit with a reporter and it maligns the character of a woman who is now dead and can't defend herself and there's going to be a little bit of irony in the movie Maligning maligning someone to redeem someone. who had himself been maligned? And I think that's unfortunate and they could have done something differently. I I have decided did I am going to sit out A sugar cookie recipe. It's perfect time for that. You've all got Christmas parties coming up. I sent out the the ginger cookie recipe which are got great feedback on that one. I'm going to the sugar cookie recipe now and it's easy to make And it's highly highly addictive. I actually do need to warn you about this cookie recipe My mother-in-law made them and I think I ate them all in one sitting like twenty four cookies and got sick. They were that good. I know and I'm fat so I shouldn't have It is a really good recipe Zoe if you all the recipe text the word recipe two three three seven seven seven And I will send it out tomorrow. I you gotTA fight. It's written on a note card and type it out for you. I don't even have so I keep I keep a program on my computer called Paprika and it's an APP on my phone and my laptop my ipad and it syncs all of my recipes to great cooking APP By the way someone asked me and I guess I need to do this. 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ROTC Buick notes like five hundred bucks. Full disclosure But you can do. You can do either. wood-burning burning or gas. You know with the Neapolitan Pizza. You're only allowed four ingredients flour salt water and yeast flour salt water yeast. Yep that's four four ingredients for Neapolitan Pizza. That's all you're allowed to put in it. And it's got to be baked in less than two minutes with both La- Mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and Basil in a wood burning oven that gets up to nine hundred degrees Fahrenheit. And you can do that in Iraq box. You can get authentic Neapolitan style pizzas and the rock box and in most these other outdoor pizza oven. Things you can't I highly recommend it. If you're interested in out if you want to add to an outdoor pizza outdoor kitchen. Get the right box when we come back all we gotta move all aligned. Fox News Brennan Bill Hemmer to replace Ship Smith. It's time for me to tell you about my favorite toothbrush. Holiday season is approaching. 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Don't take my word for it for devices like Amazon Echo and Google home are the subject of a tech warning from the FBI the FBI has released a slightly lightly. nerve-affecting warning here's what the FBI says Digital Assistant Smart Watches fitness trackers home security devices thermostats. Refrigerators refrigeration I'm half Cajun Half Swedish. Don't blame me refrigerators. And even light light bulbs or all on the list. Add to that all the fun stuff remote controlled robots games gaming systems interactive dolls talking stuffed animals. The list seems endless. Hackers can use these innocent devices to do a virtual drive-by of your digital life unsecured devices can allow hackers a path into your router. Giving the bad guy access to everything else in your home network that you thought was secure our private pictures and passwords safely stored on your computer. Don't be so sure. Change the devices factory settings from the default password. A simple Internet search should tell you how if you can't find that information. Consider moving on to another. Their product. Mini connected devices are supported by Mobile APPs on your phone. These APPS kit could be running in the background and using default permissions that you never realized you approved know what kind of personal information. These APPS are collecting and say no to privilege requests. That make no sense. Secure your network. Your Fridge in your laptop should not be on the same network work. Keep the most your most private sensitive date on a separate system from your other IOT devices. Iot Internet of things. I've been having this conversation with my friends about the Internet of things. The Internet of things is the things in your house that are randomly connected to the Internet and it seems like there are Groups out there now that try to find every which way to connect everything in your house to the Internet so I have a Christmas present coming today in of all things. That is a toaster oven. Those of you. Who Know me understand that this dislike gets the VIN diagram of things I mention? It is right smack in the center. It is called the June soon oven and it is an oven. That is an Internet of things devices connected to the Internet and learns. It has a camera in the oven. So you put Bacon in the oven and the camera recognizes. You've put baking in the oven. And so all you do is say you want it crispy or my I son likes bacon that is grossly limp. When we go to waffle house he orders seriously he orders Limp Bacon? We used to order order bacon. That was floppy like a fish because that would be when he was little how he described how he liked it and at waffle house they call that Limp Bacon. So you go to get loop vacant. I the Viagra Bacon. I want the bacon that that is hard and crispy and is is delicious. He wants the Bacon that is is floppy and in need of of of it just limp. Bacon sounds gross. It is gross and he loves it and he eats he seriously. I'm not making this up. He each three pieces of cold limp Bacon every day at school. There's love my son but he is. I was a picky eater when I was a kid but seriously we grew up in Dubai and we would travel abroad in my mother. We keep Heinz Ketchup in her purse. Our very first trip abroad We lived in Dubai you buy and we went to Cypress. We went to the island of Cyprus. My mother wanted to see where Saint Paul had been on the island and we went to the island. Abby just biogra- bagels seriously though. I mean the kid so we go to Cypress I'm I guess I'm five or six. Were on the island of Cyprus. And I won't eat anything because in Europe those who've never been to Europe they will oftentimes times dilute ketchup with vinegar. And so it's a very very and I realize there's been a green ketchup but it's like really vinegar. It's like tomato vinegar. It's disgusting and I wouldn't I. We need anything. I was starving on this island so my mother would have to carry Heinz Ketchup everywhere. We went We went to a Chinese restaurant very first place that ever had sweet and sour shrimp was was a Chinese restaurant on the island of Cyprus. There is your worlds colliding and I ate my sweet and Sour shrimp with himes catch up in this Chinese restaurant that we had befriended a taxi cab driver named George and George lived with his sister. They were goat herders. They would make goat cheese. George drove a taxi and and he drove us all over the island where we could go because it was disputed divided between the Turkish Cypriots but we had to get weak. George had to take us to the grocery store to get an unopened bottle of Heinz Ketchup. So that I can eat on the island and I may picky picky eater. My son however puts me to shame he beats floppy like a fish limp bacon. He eats chicken nuggets He'll eat home chicken nuggets. He'll eat chicken nuggets from chick-fil-a he'll eat chicken nuggets from not the Burger King by our house but by another burger king and he'll eat chicken nuggets for McDonald's he'll eat peanut butter and jelly toast and he will eat pepperoni only pizza but he wants the pepperoni pulled off and he eats the Pepperoni separate from the pizza and cheese sticks from some restaurants but not others. That's that's about. The extent of my sons Diet and in our pediatrician says he'll he'll grow out of it. In fact there's hope He has just now begun sampling cheeseburgers and he has decided he likes the cheeseburger from. I'm five guys but really that's cover for the French fries. He wants the French fries from five guys. And I cannot believe I'm doing a monologue on Viagra Bacon and my son's eating habits but he wants floppy like a fish bacon so anyway in this June oven that I'm getting it should be. It may actually be. There's a big box that Fedex is. I have a window in my studio at home and I can see. There's a box out that may be it. Don't come by yet in rob me You can put in the Bacon and say hey I want crispy Bacon Eakin or I want Limp Bacon or non crispy Bacon. I think and it will do it. You don't even have to set the temperature already that you just push the camera says. Hey are you got baking you say Yep and it says do you want it crispy or do you want floppy like a flesh fish. You pop it in and says Oh you've got five strips of Bacon. It'll five strips of Bacon differ from one strip of Bacon. It's it's imprint. I can't wait for this thing We we use a regular toaster house by Weisman wanting a toaster oven and I just. I couldn't find a good toaster. Oven and Cook's illustrated recommends the June oven. There's like it's favourite. Toaster oven smart or not smart so I figure hey what the heck I'll get it. It was on sale So I would get it. But it's an internet of things device in so it connects via wi I five to June and it constantly gets new updates so every once in a while you get a software update in. Suddenly you're June oven does new stuff. which is Kinda cool? Actually you can dehydrate stuff tough. It's now an Air Fryer at well does all sorts of stuff but I I get the the reason for an Internet of things toaster oven but why do you need your refrigerator. Raider connected to the Internet. I think it's Samsung has an internet connected refrigerator. Why why does your oven need to be connected to the Internet? Unless it's like this June it has a camera and it cooks itself or whatever you put in it Why why does your? Why does your oven need an internet of things device or have you heard about the ring doorbells many of you people have ring doorbells and a hacking group has hacked into the ring database and can see where all the ring doorbells are now and can see the footage off the ring? DOORBELLS can listen. To the the the the microphones or so there was an article Michael yesterday. About how the ring microphones in the ring cameras. They're sharing information with the police whether you consider not if you use the neighbors APP we've so I a US just just let me cut to the chase and give you a solution on all of this If you have an apple device your apple device you don't have to worry about. Siri is not listening to you like your Amazon Alexa or your Google Bod apple so apple. I want to do home devices. Internet of things. We've got light switches like the Philips shoe stuff in our house So our lights turn on sunset our Christopher. We got our Christmas lights on on apples. The Home Kit So you can our lights turn on and turn off. I can tell you I've got it called holiday so I can say hey dingus. I'm not gonNA say the other because it may activate your device. Hey dingus turn on the holidays and all of a sudden. The Christmas tree comes on the wreath comes on the Little Dude. Outside the nutcracker guy he starts banging the drum and the the inflatable able Teddy Bear Santa Claus POPs up out of the ground and inflates. And and it's awesome and then I can say hey dingus turned off the holidays or I can set it on on remote. We got it set setup so in the morning when the alarm clock goes off Siri knows. Turn on the lights downstairs. Start the coffee pot. It's fantastic. I love it but I wouldn't do it with Alexa or or or or with Google because they're not secure. The reason I use the apple home could stuff is that it's very secure and it's a pain in the butt to get the devices installed unlike the other devices because there's an extra security layer so hackers can't get in and start controlling your lights and most people don't realize that unless you're using apple's home kit With with the extra security layer every home kit device has that's why apple is slow rolling this stuff out because every home kit device has a little chip in it for security The other stuff doesn't which is why they're so much more of it. It's it's less expensive. It's easier to get setup it's easier to use but it's also so way less secure and hackers are hacking into this stuff so if you got Internet of things devices I just I have no idea why why we need Internet of things devices. There was an article. y'All maybe I shouldn't be talking about this one. There was an article in. What is is that website? Not In gadget What's the unserious for e Gizmodo? Gizmodo Gizmodo Gizmodo is was owned by the Gawker people. People I forget who owns it now. Huffington post or some such But they were talking about a Internet connected Pleasure in device. Let's just leave it like that. We've already referenced Viagra Bacon so we can we'll just we'll just say it was an internet connected device Four four pleasure. I don't know why I don't understand. What the hackers hacked that? You could get electrocuted. Did and somebody's GonNa find your body. That person die died of a good time again. No idea I mean. People want to put the Internet and everything today. I'm turning red face and I haven't said anything that should embarrass me. Have I just. I don't understand this so now the FBI if you're wondering what this is all a roundabout skewed his way of referencing the FBI has come out with this warning today. saying increasingly hackers or hacking people stuffing. You don't even know what they're surveilling you now. L. To bring this full circle and to have something that's more grownup unless embarrassing. This goes to the New York Times story that you know so there are two stories the New York Times story on kids being put into Compromising positions through the Internet and then there's The Washington Post story about the Afghanistan papers revealing the amount of lying that's going on in the Pentagon across multiple administration amount of unison and the impeachment officers GonNa Bury both those stories out of the headlines but to put this Internet of things story this FBI warning. That's come out today. And proper perspective. Consider this people seriously grownup story here. I had to have this discussion with my eleven year old yesterday. Because he's big on fortnight there are people who are hacking the cameras in your playstations xboxes. Fox's in your tablet devices. Non Apple tablet a very hard to. There's a a again. Apple is big on building their own devices because they put in physical chips It makes it very hard to turn on remotely the camera in your ipad But if you got an an android tablet or an android phone Hackers have figured out easy easy ways to hack into those inactivate the cameras on your laptops tablets on your games and the New York Times had this very serious story over the weekend about people reaching out to kids through fortnight through minecraft through other things and say I've got compromising pictures of you. I hacked. Act Your camera and I know who your friends are on your device and I'm GonNa send your friends all of these embarrassing pictures of you unless you send me naked photos of yourself and thankfully in some cases the parents figured out what was going on and and caught it before. The kids decided to do that. But there were several cases where kids had essentially descended into an abusive relationship with an anonymous person over the Internet Because those people had either hack devices and we're spying on the kids or more commonly what is most most common is they befriended the kids in these first person shooter. Games that are played over the Internet built up trust with the kid and then started making gene claims to the kid That they had hacked in some cases they hadn't and then a couple of cases I believe they had hack devices in most cases they hadn't but they built up trust with kid and turn on the kid and the kid really believe when they said they had these incriminating pictures and they're going to embarrass them with their friends and whatnot. It is a dangerous thing and increasingly. We're seeing unscrupulous scrupulous people get into these devices and hack these devices and you do need to be careful now. Let me let me close this out with this point. Many of you like me probably if you are in the least bit. Tech Savvy have probably purchased some of these for your elderly parents because you recognize the convenience of your parent being able to say hey dingus. Turn on my lights or Hey dingus. Call my daughter because I follow it on the floor or something you need to make sure were there. Devices are secure. Because they're going to get hacked their their information is going to get compromised. And the hackers GONNA know they're old and they're not gonNA come through their Amazon device or their device. They're gonNA come through the phone and they're gonNA pretend they know the person and they're going to read that person's bank account and so get serious and understand if you have these Internet devices in your house if you're getting get them for Christmas. Be Mindful of this. I was at the bank the other day and there were like now. This is a a while back. I was at the bank and there was an elderly woman in their whose grandson had taken all of her money out of her checking account without her permission and it was the woman's preacher. You're there with her demanding. The Bank make her right and that's happening within a family and it happens every day across this country elder abuse kids taking the advantage of of older parents and grandparents and it's increasingly happening with these Internet of things devices. I'm not telling you they're bad and that you shouldn't take him out of your house. I would be hypocritical. I did because I got a lot of them in my house but just be mindful that they're there and the capabilities that a stranger can get a hold of them in us and also eat crispy Bacon. Don't don't eat Bacon Erickson here. The phone number of the program. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five Charlie early says I was too rambling and didn't get to the point of the last monologue and I should apologize to everyone for wasting your time to wait for the buy into the monologue to tie it all together and get to the point you know. Most people are their own chief critic Not with me. No no but I've got my wife and Charlie to keep me humble. He's got a text me angrily. I have to give him a hard time to keep him. Humble my buddy Dan McLaughlin baseball -ASEBALL crank on twitter writes for National Review and he's got a series of tweets. I want to read for you very quickly. I can't read that text. I can't read that texts now. Now he's dropping bad words at me. I never said that he says whatever okay. Dan mclachlan rights legal merits aside spending years accusing accusing Donald Trump of treason bribery and conclusion. And then impeaching him for none of those things but including an article article on obstruction of Congress as one of the two charges seems like disastrously inside beltway politics. I do not see how abuse of power and obstruction of congress is a better idea for selling this to the public than abuse of power but then several of the articles against Andrew Johnson never even even came to a vote. Once the strongest charge failed the obstruction count does not include any charge of perjury witness tampering. Anything like that. It's literally just you refuse to cooperate. Operate with our investigation of you. Knowing you lack the votes of the Senate y include this. Who is the man in the street audience? Let's face it a lot of people. Oh fuel that trump was elected basically to give Congress the finger and trump has no obligation help anybody investigating. I don't endorse those sentiments. But this is not the hill die on if I was democrats I'd likely support. Impeaching trump precisely because impeachment under these circumstances is an exercise in political messaging. The House can if it likes US impeachment to make a case of presidential and fitness ahead of an election but then sell it. Not One vote is going to change to trump's detriment next November by accusing accusing trump of refusing to help congress removing from office. I just don't see the political rationale You know he's right the fact that they dodged judged the muller situation altogether the fact that they still have left hanging the issue of who the WHO the the whistleblower is it's actually pretty telling pretty staggering. This really is about setting the stage for November. It is not about actually getting the president of office. If it was getting the president out of office they would actually impeach him for all the things. They've spent the last several months complaining about bribery Burri witness tampering and the like none of that is in the impeachment articles. None of that is. The president has largely been his own worst enemy. It has been protected by a great many people around him who did not do what he wanted them to do. But there is one other thing as well. The president of the United States also has the Democrats on the other side and they keep screwing things up. The president is blessed by enemies as incompetent as the Democrats. When it comes to stuff like this it makes no sense that they've done what they've done you're really doesn't and yet that's the road? They're going to go down all these irons in the fire all of a sudden welcome back. Sorry I'm I'm having to respond to a kind of time sensitive email all of a sudden the phone number here. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven even four to five. I you know what no no. You do need to know that Stacey. Abrams is declared that she would be willing to be the the vice presidential nominee that would not Quash her ambitions. You know being a Georgia show for people in Georgia Broadcasting from Georgia Let let me spend just a moment on this we stacey Abrams and I haven't wanted to talk about Abrahams a lot. There there have been stories out. There's a lot of people attacking her for example over a film deal. She Got God. Bless her for it I have you know she's a novelist she's an accomplished. Novelist actually usually may not be my cup of tea or yours but she's had success in novels and and some of those now or possibly going to be adapted into movies I would say say arguably it is because of her Notoriety now as a candidate Whether she won or lost is a candidate for office who galvanize people on the left a lot of whom are in Hollywood but God bless her for making to live with. I don't fault her for that at all. The I I see conservative blowing up Barack Obama's eighty somewhat hypocritical for buying a multi million dollar house also Martha's island God. Bless him for it he. He's made a lot of money. Enjoy it now. He's no longer president of the United States. You can you can stop hating him. You can say he blew what millionaires and billionaires and and black people getting rich off office He got rich off. Bull deals and TV deals and Netflix. And you may not like it. You may think zipper critical. But I I don't care I just I got too much got not enough time of the day to be outraged by everything. I applaud. Everyone being successful it is one more person person who is GONNA stand up to Elizabeth Warren. Once they're successful knowing Elizabeth words GONNA come get them in their money and in fact. Barack Obama has been coming out today. I don't think we need to go. Go down this road. Good for him. a stacey. Abrams was to make money. God bless her. I I gotTa Tell Ya and I continue to maintain this stacey. You know everyone gets mad at me. I've been asked not to say this on radio. A really have I had a friend of mine. Say I shouldn't say this on radio could be harmful for my career career as a conservative talk. Show host to say this but I tend to like most people even when I disagree with them and I thought that I interviewed every single person running for for governor of Georgia Democrat and Republican. I interviewed every single. One of my interviewed Brian Michael Williams Casey Cagle Hunter Hills Stacey Evans and Stacey Abrams who else was running for governor. There there were other people. Running for governor. Seems like any of it. I interviewed them. All and my two favorite interviews were Brian. Brian Kelp and Stacey Abrams the reason that I liked Brian Kim's interview when I interviewed him and they were they were hour long interviews for breach of them. The reason I liked Branka his was actually. The first interview is Brian. KIP just did not care. And I liked that now I maybe I shouldn't put it that way He wishes laid back he was. He was there to run for governor but he was going to tell you what what he thought. Matter of factly he was just going to tell you. He came in in jeans and boots. Worst dress shirt and a blazer but jeans and boots most everybody else came in in in suits and most everybody else set on the edge of their chair ear as if I was GONNA ask them the most game changing question he just laid back in. The chair kicked out his legs and we had a great conversation and just about life life and politics and policies and who he was and where he came from and he was just he was a genuine human being and I like those sorts politicians. Those are increasingly unique in American in life. You need to understand that That in American politics these days people who are politicians tend to have come from birth in a three piece suit Ready to answer all of your questions as nebulous as possible lest they be forced to take a position on something not Bryant came out. Here's what he believes. You don't like it. We can be friends. Were just going to disagree on this. Stacey Abrams was very much the same way she came in to a conservative talk show host host with a reputation of being a conservative political activist. Who she knew was never going to vote for her and sat down and we had a fantastic conversation appreciation about her growing up about her life? And here's the thing that I have continued to appreciate about her. And it is the thing that is consistent about her and I know so it pains people to hear me. Say Something Nice about Stacey Abrams. She's funny she can laugh at herself. It is one thing for a politician in America to be able to laugh at someone else. It is a rare politician to be able to laugh at themselves. You would be surprised fries at the number of politicians who will not make a joke at their own expense and she made lots of jokes at her expense. And I found it endearing because I've been around enough politicians and have done enough interviews over the last twenty years that I can tell when someone really believes what they're saying and is authentic think about it in his willing to open up and be vulnerable in public and she was and Brian Kemp was and they were unique in that regard They were willing to crack jokes on themselves. They were willing willing to be opened. They were willing to be vulnerable. They they were willing to Say they didn't have all the answers. That was another thing that struck me compare and I don't want to go into in into attacking checking other candidates but but I interviewed other candidates Democrat and Republican who could not bring themselves to utter three words words. Those three words were I don't know Abrahams and Kim were willing to and I find it refreshing when a candidate whether I agree with them or not is willing to say you know what I don't have all the answers now as to the answer she had she and I. We disagreed on all sorts of we found common ground on issues. And this is the thing that I find more. This is why I. I'm very very hesitant to ever call someone on the other side an enemy. They're just opponent. There were a number of situations where she and I could look at a situation and say objectively the situation as bad but we had different solutions. Her solution always involved the government and oftentimes. My solution would be leave it alone. It's a problem but there's nothing the government should do about it. One of those issues is one of the. The latest concerns of Democrats nationwide is what they call the food desert. It is yet another moral crisis and the Democrats have gotten really good. Everything is a moral crisis. Climate change is a moral crisis. Income inequality is a moral crisis Prison populations of moral crisis. Everything's a moral crisis food. Deserts or more Morressy. You wonder what is a food desert. It is a grocery store with sand. No a food is where you live somewhere in Georgia And you have to drive a significant distance to get to a grocery store or access to fresh food is limited did that is a food desert and there are a food desert in Metro Atlanta Georgia around the old Turner Field that that is now Georgia state. It is a wall in isolated expanse of interstate and projects and there is not a grocery store anywhere near there. And if you are poor and of limited mobility because of your lack of access to transportation You have a hard time going anywhere. Other than the local dairy Queen Queen or Wendy's to get food and that's not healthy. You have no access to fresh vegetables. the local corner grocery stores that you depend on. Don't have fresh vegetables. They have processed foods foods and believe it or not. The scientific evidence does show that that eating on the perimeter of the grocery store the fresh fruits and vegetables the fresh meats and dairy is better here for either the processed foods but you go to the little quarter grocery store. You're going to get lots processed foods and maybe there's some milk that's not expired. That is a food desert. You Move to rural Georgia. You may have an ingles thirty minutes away from you. And that's the best you can do now Stacey Abrams I you know what I want to be has it. Because it's been a long time since we had the interview but essentially but essentially several every Democrats have proposed either. We've got to increase funding for rural transportation to get people to grocery stores or we need to economically comically incentivized grocery stores moving into certain areas. So people have access to it. That is a democratic solution. I don't want to put words in Stacey Abrams about I I think that was that was one of hers was expanding transport in rural Georgia. A spending government money to expand Georgia. What is my solution? My solution is a as a conservative is. Yes this is a problem and believe it or not. There are long term health impacts of people eating lots of processed processed food and no fresh food and not having access to it. But you know what people make a choice to live in a rural area and I see no reason that the government remit needs to get involved with taxpayer dollars to set up transportation systems that you may or may not use to get the to the grocery store and if anything Up By setting up a system where you are relying on the government to transport you to a grocery store for you to do your grocery shopping you are increasingly lead then unreliable on family friends church and local community and I personally think as a conservative one of the worst things. Our government Vermont has ever done in history is In terms of societal impact overall is to decrease people's dependence on and local community structures be they churches civic groups family friends. You can live your entire life Suckling Uncle Sam's man boob and never have to rely lie on family friends or church again and if that paints a horrible picture in your mind you're GonNa have nightmares over at. I apologize but it's the truth. We have way too many. The people who have become dependent on government in rural and urban areas and as a result were seen community breakdown. Because no one needs to be dependent on their community anymore. If everyone's dependent dependent on Uncle Sam or the state of Georgia's taxpayer dollars to improve their existence. Then they have no incentive to build a church community or a local civic community that replaces places church community or keep their family close or incentivized their family to pay play a part of their lives. We got a bunch of people who live in rural Georgia where their kids and relatives have packed up and left left and they have no network of friends or anyone else. They become. UNPLUG from Church and are they hurting. Yes but the solution is not to have the government nanny. Come check on them and drive them to the grocery store. The solution is to help them build relationships within their local community. Incentivize Sinn of is that frankly. It's not even the government's role to do that is the role of local churches but local. Churches have no incentive to do that because the government's already competing. So all of this is to say that that Stacey Abrams that I can look at different issues and we can. We can share a concern for the issue but because she's on the left and I'm on the right. We arrive at different age. We arrive at different solutions. I would not vote for her. She would not vote for me but that does not mean I can look at her and and and think that she's the enemy. No Oh she's just a political opponent she and I disagree I think that her policies would be harmful to the state of Georgia. She thinks policies are awful to the state of Georgia. We can break bread together and we don't talk politics Enjoy others company. I would hope We we did on stage. We had a great conversation and it was great to have someone who can laugh about themselves and The silly things as their parents have done well. She's given this interview now and she has said that she would be perfectly happy to be vice presidential pick that she it would not diminish her ambitions overall to be vice presidential pick. I gotTa tell you. I have a hard time believing that anyone on the democratic side would pick Stacey Abrams to be the vice president. Oh maybe if they WANNA wildcard sensation yes but let. Let's put this in perspective and again I don't mean disrespect here in. No none of nobody get offended on the left now. Who might be listening? But Stacey Abrams was elected a to a State House seat in Georgia and nothing else Mike Pence. Let's as a deeper resume than Stacey Abrams. When it comes to qualifications to be Vice President Tim Kaine on the Democratic side? Did Joe Biden did John Edwards did with John Kerry. Al Gore did with Bill Clinton George H W Bush would probably the most qualified president and vice president in American history. Dick Cheney Cheney with George W Bush had also was also Highly qualified to be vice president. He'd been a member of Congress he'd been a defense secretary he'd been a CEO of a major fortune five hundred corporation Stacey. Abrams rose to be aced a minority leader in a house of Representatives representing a small area of Georgia. That does not qualify one to be vice president if you are to be vice president of the United States the chief criteria for your job is that if the president it kills over dead tomorrow you could become president of the United States in terms of rallying the base perhaps Stacey. Abrams is legit pick. But in terms of persuading Independent that voters that you've made a reasonable pick who could become president of the United States. I don't know that that's the case. And then frankly. There is a liability issue on the Stacey Abram Abram front four Democrats and that is that she has taken some very progressive positions including allowing illegal aliens to vote and things like that and that I think would actually hurt the Democrats evercrack on the campaign trail. When that stuff came out there was a lot of opposition research? The Brian Kemp did not use on Stacey Abrams that if she were the vice presidential pick would come out. I don't think it's going to happen and I do ultimately think that Stacey Abrams benefits by having this buzz about her because she very much wants a do over whether she was around and I don't think she was there was no voter suppression. In fact I see people railing on this article Where she says this Jonathan Cape Art from Washington? Post saying well. She can't win in Georgia. We need a vice president can win. She can't win and Georgia because they'd suppressed. It's the vote in Georgia. Again the the mythology of the democratic side that Stacey Abrams lost because of voter suppression as opposed to just lost because there are more Republicans who turned out out and voted for Brian. Gap they really believe this even factors come out and said there's no evidence of voter suppression. There's no evidence in fact there was a record turnout in Georgia. There's a lot of Republicans voted to But if they if she was to become the vice presidential pick for the Democrats there would be a vetting and I don't know that it would go well ultimately because of her positions. And I I gotTa tell you you and Stacey Abrams I we can disagree on all sorts of stuff off and I think the Democrats would be making a mistake if she were vice presidential pick but I think the buzz helps her because she really wants to run against. Brian can begin. She really does. The race was stolen from her. Even though I don't think it was But you can. You can say all that you take that position you can ultimately arrive at. You know I disagree with this person. But she's actually likable person. Should I know it's heresy in this day and age to say stuff like that but I continue to believe I gotta say stuff like that because I got to remind you that just because you disagree with someone on politics in this country does is not make that person your enemy. It may make them your next door neighbor who you just don't know what their political views are because you're much more interested in on the braves together. which if Stacey Abrams Abrahams were vice president we would vice president who cheered on the braves? How is impeachment play over at CNN? This is Ross Garber I. CNN is legal analyst on impeachment craning officials to American officials and and he's overstepped his bounds including through tweets in the past week So you know that conduct is not okay and it's part of why I've been critical of what the Democrats have tried to do here. This is I think we're seeing not a real effort to remove the president. You know the the Democrats are are moving these articles through they know it has little or no shot Of going anywhere in the Senate and and you know as as you probably remember you know for weeks or months. I've been saying look to take a look look at the actual issues here. We real investigation and this notion by shift that he didn't have time to go to court. You know I think is just nonsense. you know. The one of the reasons why the mcgann cases taken eight months to play out is that The House didn't go to court right away. He issued the subpoena. They did a long long time to try to enforce it. They waited a long time to try to go to court. And so instead we do. Have this rushed impeachment process which is looking like a fast train to acquitted quitting the Senate. He yeah faster into acquittal in the Senate they the Democrats themselves drag their feet on this. We haven't heard from John Bolton who said he was willing to testify if a judge gave the okay and the Democrats did not pursue that in court they didn't go after Getting vote from office of Management and budget budget testify vied. They didn't go after Mick Mulvaney to get him to testify There were so many people. The Democrats did not get to testify. Nor have we heard the whistle blower and and again. I realized Democrats. Say there's no reason to hear from the whistle blower but it was the Democrats themselves who said we were going to hear for the whistle blower and then the news came out of the whistle blower had coordinated with Adam shifts office. And they don't want that guy to be under oath and Serene Green how long he coordinated why he coordinated and what he coordinated about that. That's why they're not calling the whistle blower. It has nothing to do with him. Being revealed or not we pretty much know who the whistle blower is But also there's no protection in the whistle blower statute from being identified and the Democrats crafts. Were adamant adamant that we would hear from the whistle blower that that whistle blower to appear of the secure room. No one would know who the whistle blower was they would be able to do. Republicans would be there all of that. And then suddenly it came out that the whistle blower head coordinated with the Democrats and then all of a sudden. No we don't need to hear from the whistle blower or will of course not because they don't want that under They don't want him under oath answering Republican questions now houses played other this is from MSNBC. Hey there halley. Exactly so perhaps unsurprising. After all these months of being at rallies and talking to the president's fiercest supporters who maintain the president. Did nothing wrong. We caught up with them right after that press conference you referenced earlier and talk to them about their feelings. These two articles of impeachment folks basically were defiant fined and dismissed them which is something we've heard time and time again but the over arching theme has to do with exactly the reason we're here today in Hershey and that is because the the president's reelection campaign these supporters actually believe that being impeachment headlines from today will only harden his support heading into twenty twenty. Take take a listen to what a few of them told US head of the president's rally tonight data. They've been digging at this even before he was elected. So will I think they're just grabbing for straws. That aren't there you can see how upset I am. I'm telling you right now. There are people out here that are selling aged risk here. We are so fed up and so of course we're going to be stronger even coming back to vote for president trump again Either here's here's the political fallout progressives have been rallying consistently against the president but a lot of Republicans or stepping back away pulled pulled out of politics and I suspect we're GonNa see them fired up again for the president in a way they have not previously been and. I don't think that that's going to work the way the Democrats want particularly when the president has a massive war chest to go after the Democrats and they don't have the money to go after him. They're fighting each other right now.

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The Ballad of T | Chapter 10

Gangster House

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The Ballad of T | Chapter 10

"This podcast is intended for mature audiences listener discretion is advised. Mike Thieves Tonight Evans and barred hood received the the news. They didn't want to here in Rome Georgia courtroom in October. Nineteen seventy eight. Mike Lee this guilty on racketeering charges guilty of conspiracy to violate. I like the Civil Rights of government witness Roger Dean underhill by killing underhill and is ICAL. Anti Divas Corporation global industries. Guilty of racketeering Ginette Evans portwood guilty in the underhill Galanti. Killings Davis was sentenced to life in prison for his conviction of murder conspiracy in the killing of Roger Dean Honor Hill. And Isaac Lante Aunty and sentenced to twenty years charges of racketeering and twenty years racketeering conspiracy the senses would run consecutively. Mike Vivas was going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Most everyone I spoke to for this podcast believed that if Mike had just kept quiet and run as adult entertainment business in the background. Things may have turned out differently for him. Paul King boil the other people like him obviously because he was pretty much trying to put them out of business and I think and this is just me thinking out loud. Once he started getting into the rough side of the business dismiss. I think he enjoyed it. You would've thought he had so much money. I would quit if you had just stopped trying to be so macho I think thank. You would've probably just don't be in business What he was doing was distasteful but until he started in killing off as competitors as that It was settled or no operation. FBI Agent Richard Foster her well in my judgment like Sivas was above average native intelligence perception. Or what we agents would call street street smarts. It was clearly ambitious. He had the vision to see an opportunity however unsavory and he had the initiative and the organizational ability to build a very large organization from very modest beginning. I would say he was on the plus side. He was congenial. He was well groomed and well mannered and and he was certainly capable of making a very good first impression must also also had a certain amount of leadership he was able to persuade. People like Roger Underhill Part Hood Rbm Ginette evidenced and to corrupt themselves for him. I'm only being partially facetious. When I say that if the man had just had a good conciliaory a good business manager and even more importantly good public relations manager it might have wound up Other Hugh Hefner. But that wouldn't be possible. I think that was. He was a murderous thug. He could be likable in many ways. He he was not a an uneducated to Italy. blue-collar serial killer but he was a thug he simply didn't hesitate twos murder arson. I'm any sort of violence. And he did that early on that started early on as she was working up business. It seems to me that he always had that in Paul Lieberman so another thing. That really intrigued me about thieves in the huts but he had but also his virtue there is the craziness of our enforcement of obscenity. Laws have line always changed and again the irony that he or someone similar would be on trial for showing a certain type of pictures and by the time the case came about the hotel with a district attorney. Staying in the defense attorney is staying showing showing these acts as material but two years ago it was not legal after his time. I am at the Atlanta Constitution. Lieberman also worked for the L. A. Times writing an eight part series on mobster Mickey Cohen. The story became the basis of the book and movie gangster. Thanks your squad released in two thousand twelve featuring Ryan gosling. Josh Brolin Emma Stone and Sean Penn as Mickey Cohen natured wage. War Catch makes me put squad together. Who Small Squad five? Maybe six guys going up against forty. You GotTa Die Sometime. Nobody will ever know. We've done not solve any case here. Going to war Lieberman thought about how the story of Mike Davis might translate into a movie to some years later a Hollywood producer draft by brightest screenplay on it and didn't work as a deal but I started managing. My favorite scene was inspired by something. Thieves did that. I give give him a lot of credit for he organized adult film an adult bookstore producers and they had a big meeting convention and I thought that was just wonderful if it wasn't for the killings and the burnings and stuff just the business itself they did provide had a knee that certain audience wanted but I love the image. You have you had at the convention and then you'd have these rubber sex toys this you'd have the chocolates and stuff shaped like body parts. I mean that to me when I was with creating a film of it that was going to be one of the great explosions of it all out in public like giant convention center all filled with varieties of rubber or body parts and edible body parts and that part I guess for some people is their form of entertainment and someone makes money selling it as they do to this day. So that part of thieves that he that he had the Hotspur actually organized Jerry frolic and Atlanta Attorney who had worked as a prosecutor around thieves has early obscenity cases. Remember the time when thieves was such a big personality in Atlanta everything that I knew about him learn the batum and why they press charges I just was. He was pretty violent guy and that he took over stores in areas by being very forceful and by timid people. If he had probably just run running a business he probably eventually would have been all right. I think the Supreme Court eventually not pornography laws but he was in the south and he was was pornography so starting out from the first day I walked in to the. US Attorney's office probably for the next fifteen or twenty years. I'm bumping into Davis people. In fact I've case out in the federal penitentiary I don't remember what year have you been. Eighties my client was in a federal penitentiary attention. At those times you walked in. It was a very dangerous place because you walked into the front door they cleared you and then either go to visiting rude. ooh lawyers room the clients. You had to walk down a hallway along always and it would sell pods side. I mean this was a nasty prison. It was Max. Prison and prisoners are just walking up and down and all of a sudden naive. Jerry what are you doing in turn around hardly recognized Mike thieves and he was bald but he had a basically bored and he had a ponytail. Real won't ponytail and he looked like he weighed he was he was not not a big guy. I mean not tall guy and he must have weighed three hundred pounds. He looked like a balloon he was. You hardly recognize them. Might say this. Remember me again. Yeah my memory from the first episode has done it software external. Here's I was bumping into things that had like the you know thieves they went. I believe that a fetus had just not done the criminal activities. You did if he just pornography I think he would have eventually been all right would not have been prosecutor things would have been overturned overturn but there was always that background on him. I mean he wanted everything if he had just tended to be or been a straight businessman. Just had these stores is all over. The country just didn't want as well and he talked tough. He I think he liked being a gangster and a tough guy and that gets you in trouble all the time. They consider them like an organized crime. He was tough talking. Flash cars rings clothing houses and he was in your face. If have you been aloke. But that that was his personality he wanted to show you he was the tough guy wants. Show you all the money may want one. This snub is knows that everybody mm-hmm so what exactly happened once. The trial was over Pat Mcclain trial in Panama City Florida and was represented by by. Ed Garland she was found not guilty in the trial and after living in Atlanta for a while eventually moved out West Anna Janette Evans was sentenced to life in prison but was released in nineteen ninety two and now lives in a small town in South Carolina like Pat Mcclain. She declined to comment for this. PODCAST asked Bar Hood was released from prison in Nineteen Ninety and is deceased. I thought a number of times of trying to see him in prison. Not what he would say one of the things you always wonder about such characters is will they in the end fess up and very rarely do do do. They really repent not likely and it's hard. You can't expect someone to say yeah. I really killed Roger Dean on the hill and he deserved that. And that's to betray your boss in this world is a fatal sin and he paid the appropriate price that he's not going to say that but you you gotta give them a a shot you never know. Think I didn't affect me until probably nineteen seventy eight. And the reason no seventy eight. Because that's when his trial was news nonstop on Stop Oj Simpson type coverage in the Atlanta papers and it was strictly Atlanta. Didn't go even Chatanooga or to Miami Aamier or big cities around the southeast. It was just strictly Atlanta's story and so the thieves name just because it's a unique name. Anyhow it was Smith it may not have been a big deal but it affected me. I think a lot is a child. Frankly looking back on it. We had a governess and housekeeper and all that stuff but the money was going out the door faster and it was coming in to pay for the legal fees and irs lanes and houses for sale. For many years it didn't sell in maintaining a place that even though it was paid for property taxes huge maintenance costs on eighteen manicured acres and she just flat out. Couldn't afford it so we need to get get rid of it. All this wealth in mind it all disappeared after racketeering trial and seventy nine. The government took it to say that we were all taken care of and that the family had this is just inaccurate. One hundred percent the government got their calls on the irs and one of the things. I had a huge problem with with my father. Other was was distressed and he calls. My mother boys loved their mothers and very protective of whatever footprint he left they wanted period so after the trial they conducted auctions and sold everything. DRC All the Marietta Street all the properties. It was over with. Okay if you love great crime stories you've got to watch. NBC's chilling New Drama Lincoln. Rhyme hunt for the bone collector. Her it straight out of the tradition of Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty but with great modern twists the bone collector is a man of exquisite taste. He's Urbane and sophisticated needed. He's also the world's most elusive serial killer. Think Ted Bundy meets Hannibal Lecter. And he's hiding in plain sight to catch him. We'll take the world's most brilliant get detective Lincoln Rhyme. He may be difficult but he's the best he sees glues others. Miss and possesses encyclopedic knowledge. What's more catching the bone? Collector is personal. Their last encounter left Lincoln rhyme paralyzed based on the bestselling book by Jeffery. deaver don't miss the premiere of Your New Crime Drama Obsession Shen Lincoln rhyme hunt for the bone collector the hunt begins Friday January tenth on NBC. From the time Tony was eight years old. He only knew his his dad as a man that lived behind bars so many years later he still has strong thoughts about his father. Had He just done an honest business with the pornography business and pay taxes not take the skim not take competitors and not commit arsons and things of that that nature. The tide would turn in his favor. You know the whole idea that the government can tell you what to do in the privacy of your bedroom your home. Let's it's all gone. Tony and his family to countless trips to visit his father imprisons all over. The country was arduous process. But it was something I was basically required to. Do you use to say to me. Oh it's one of the thing. I resented of him later in life. He's like I need you come here week. I need to get out of the cell. I'm not asking you all to do my time for me but we need to do your part and help me get Outta here though if we get old quick but that's how we grew up in it just became a job. Frankly but I can basically what my dad's life with a movie the movie heat with De Niro Pacino. Deniro is leaving. He's got the girl in the cash in the car and they're going down the highway is they're leaving and he's just has to make that right turning get off the exit to go back and get the guy and going hotel and kill them. That's what happened thieves. He was he was gone. He had the girlfriend to cash. He's leaving and he had to go back and finish up the vendetta. He had against underhill and he not done that. I don't think the government would have found him for many many years and the ad money all over the place Hong Kong Greece. The Bahamas Several deposit accounts around the country. SAFE deposit boxes. But he had the he had to get off and that sums up his life. In my opinion Janet Evans had followed Mike Thieves during his escape. In nineteen seventy eight. He was never able to forgive himself for getting her tangled up with a chain of events that also resulted in her going to prison. He was devastated by what happened to Ginette totally devastated. Never once got over eight felt completely totally responsible for the murders as of underhill and Galanti had happened just miles from the thesis house. Something that Tony couldn't get over. That was my biggest problem with my father. There's learning about that as I got lower where at all actually took place. I mean the gun was found in the metal box in that all melted down. Sandy Springs off Riverside drive and the I'd never understood why he can't go to towns over but clearly he couldn't for whatever reason and I don't think that he was thinking of his family his children learn at that time. I mean they were killed on Riverside Drive in Sandy Springs. And my God Damn School district. I mean. I was devastated as child to hear that because I had we go to school and here the teachers and administrators and other children and their parents talking about it and I mean Jesus Christ. You can't really really blame them when you have a double murder homicide and the children were going to school. District is very very much resented him for that. If that was going to take place place that that was the plan. If that was revenge plan it did not need to happen in our damn neighborhood I wish you would go away. I wish I had never gotten a call from you or anyone else. But it's not the Internet made it exponentially worse. It started getting really bad in two thousand when the Internet where all information comes from gets on there but it does and it's out there. Why am I doing it? Why why because? There's not a lot of positive stuff that I could spend from this. It really isn't He was a family man that loved and adored his family. He made some tremendous mistakes in his life and he regretted him to the day he died he had had forces of nature up against him but he was a huge huge believer that the government could not tell the grown acid dealt whether they could look at pornography or not bedroom. And it's ludicrous. Today the name won't be convicted of that. But he did it. In the Bible belt in the nineteen sixties and seventies and it was. It was illegal. What is the difference between the pornography king in nineteen seventies versus a pornographer today on the Internet? You don't call these people's Day pornography kingpin right. And they're far more than he did that he was gonNA spend the rest of his life in jail for pornography went to prison for the rest of his life for murders and arson. I asked Toni if the time talking about his father's life have been good or bad for him. I don't feel either way I mean it's out there and I don't I don't feel worse at all I think I kind of feel relieved. In the fact that I was given the opportunity to give my side of the story our family family and then there's Mike Davis they did not combine except when he came home from work. Our memories of our father for the three youngest is visiting visiting him in the penitentiary was not prior that now my older siblings would have different versions of that but we were just flat out to young probably in two thousand when the Internet or before that ninety eight became the dominant thing and all of our lives at that point. I had to start asking some questions. Some tough real questions. He always blind Paul King and the government and the Knicks Jason Hitlist in the Supreme Court changing from liberal to a conservative court. He also blamed himself for building that mansion on the hill that made him stick out like a sore thumb. He's braggadocious and he warned to have the biggest house in at the time is part of his downfall. Had He stayed close knit community with a smaller home home. Probably got away with a lot more I asked Tony believed. His father was on the the property that day and if he was the one that killed underhill absolutely I do percent which was my biggest problem with him and wanting I need in my relationship with him towards the end was I never this day have gotten over him pulling that Shit in our neighborhood in our school district Mr and Japan. I never knew Mr Hannah and I do believe my father killed them. Why only because I've read every single sentence of the depositions positions of the discovery in the court cases and offered the recordings and he was at the same place that Hannah was? He talked to his wife that morning and it piece it together and not been into the Baker Street address in Simpson Street address for all that happened. It sounds consistent with what I knew and Jimmy Maze Minute. What my my father told me about him? which was not much is a low level employee at best who started in the back at cinematics building cases? Already calling tablets for in the fact that anyone thinks that the president of a huge corporation is going to go kill a guy who doesn't even know his name may pass in. The hallway is ludicrous to me. A jury thought otherwise and convicted him of but I don't believe that he was guilty of that Jimmy Mace at all. My Dad was one of the smartest people ever no. He was also one of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life with regards some of the things he did but my father is very intimidating. Mm type of personality when you go visit him and when you get there you just you your count out the hours to leave. Not because you don't love like the man but you just sit there get struggle. Talk try sitting across the table from from your wife and three hours and she's talking to turn out great but I wanted to know the truth and I'm not gonNA deny the fact that it didn't highly affect me personally throughout my life and emotionally that determines ation that went and threw me in my family with what happened our neighborhood because we didn't have anything to do with it but we were the ones affected by it. I think maybe talking to you is probably relieved. A lot of my stress is an anger about that which happened when I cut off my relationship with my father. I cut it off. I did not attend his service in Atlanta. And I'm just very happy that this is all over with obviously all I can do participate in them and put our spin on. It are accurate statements on what happened what didn't happen and actually after the research you've done which is far more research and even I've done my attitude towards him. In my opinion of him is is is lower higher higher and I am forgiven him for anything very upset with the research that I've read more from what I've heard from you of the way. He treated my mother and the stress that she went. Get through I now know so much more based on your research why she was the way she was in the late seventies and eighties so she wasn't a tremendous amount of stress and she was lucky. Lucky she didn't lose everything. Joanne feebis died in December. Two Thousand Sixteen to see the bowels of these places to watch what happened. His life is shocking in. I wanted to know more and as I grew older and became an adult wanted to know more. I wanted to get some answers to some questions is I got into my later years. I went alone to ask questions but but I want to gotTa stop until I got. Some answers. Just did like the answers. I was getting. I guess I sat down with him. STILLWATER MINNESOTA I was with a close friend of ours ars named Guido Roscoe and we know sounds like another hood but he wasn't. He was a fantastic close friend of of our families he was in his late seventies and we went up there together on Saturday and Sunday and Saturday. We visited my father in Sunday. Ask wheats to stay. Stay back on on Sunday. 'cause I was going to go have a conversation alone. I was not in a happy mood. I didn't WanNa be there and I just asked my dad for two or three hours our the questions I asked him. What did you did you murder Galante and underhill on riverside drive? And he said no son didn't have what about Hannah and what about maze. And if I don't get the answers that I think that they are you and I are going to have a problem. Going Ford And it got a little heated and he knew I was angry and he flat out said to me. I'll never forget. He said I know. You want to punch me son and I said no I want to knock you you out. I want to knock you right now. And that's what you need to do than do it. These guards won't touch you in here and I said no when I'm trying to do is I'm not going to see you you anymore And that's a decision I made because I never got an apology from him. I don't think any of my siblings. Did I could be wrong about that. But I didn't not that I feel like that would have done anything different. made any difference but I do feel that he owed some and explanations and at that point I just had had enough of I felt like every time I saw him he was lying to me and he clearly he was but I guess he just didn't want his children to we know the truth and that point time he was getting a proposed as much as I was about doing movies and documentaries and this is is back in two thousand. He knew it was going to come out so I wanted to hear from him straight up. There's no reason you're doing life plus twenty plus another twenty plus all these other charges so you never get now to hear what differs. Make something I need it for myself. I need you to kind of. Let me go with this. And he just didn't do it so cut off my relationship Was a man that was bigger than life whom I revered. I thought he was a genius and as the years went on in a learn more thought he made some the biggest dumbest mistakes I've ever seen in my life and I wish he had come through with some obvious conclusions that he did what he did in admitted made it to me. Would they give me some closure. I wanted some closure and it didn't turn out that way so I essentially I didn't even see him for the last seven or eight years of his life. I decided I didn't need to do this anymore. He started getting down probably in the late eighties realizing he wasn't GonNa ever ever get out he when he died. I didn't show up at his service. I just didn't have any interest in it and I'm comfortable with that decision today. I know I made the right one and just not going to fake that towards the end of his life he tried to do good. He was a true born again Christian and he did write novels independent entry and he made it his lights mission in Indian to help other prisoners not ruin their lives like he did and he's very serious about working with cancer patients up until the end go go sit in the hospital. Cancer patients hands and retail and pray with them things like that and he was very uplifting to these people blue who could not read to them and teach them to not fear death but look forward to it and he died in hospital room and stillwater Minnesota in Penitentiary Pantry. His body just gave out his heart. I think it's just old age and loneliness. And he was one hundred percent ready to go but I think no question. He died with many many regrets. So the biggest thing I remember about the house I remember very vividly was the land that was around it and the things that you could do. New York eighteen acres and a pond didn't go kart tracks and tennis courts swimming. Pools and stables were five horses is in tremendous amount of stuff to do a child there in July of Oh eight developer was going to buy it. You tear it down and build five one point. Five million dollar homes up there. I found out about it on Saturday. Just by looking through some real estate listings come. I'm for foreclosure not called my folks. We went up there on Sunday and April by right there on the courthouse steps and get it back and we still own it today. They got it was one of my missions in life in a dream come true but I was able to accomplish it. Because of my folks mm-hmm I was happy in the end. There was able to save this home and renovated evaded and keep it this beautiful state that it is today in Atlanta and we're good neighbors to the neighbors and or no issues but I'm glad that this home was never taken down and that would not been the final nail in the coffin and made damn sure that didn't happen where I was itching at the bit to get back up out there and fix that place. It's one thing I wanted to turn around and make positive was to make that home a beautiful respectful home in the city of Atlanta and is one of the nicest homes in this town I've spent over ten months researching reporting on this story. I've read every bit of thirteen eighteen thousand pages on the man spanning two decades secret. FBI files and police reports witness interviews video archives and a huge stack of newspaper apor coverage. I found the collection of the music that thieves had produced while running. GRC artists from the nineteen seventies. Long since forgotten. Many of the best songs created down at sandpit studios are used in this podcast. Despite being front page news for so many years Atlanta the city too busy to hate had never really wanted a character like Mike. beavis associated with the city in two thousand nineteen Atlanta is a bustling metropolis full of shiny any buildings. Trendy restaurants and mega sporting events held year round. I shouldn't have been surprised but when I first started telling people in Atlanta about this podcast I got plenty. Plenty of uncomfortable. Looks a combination of disbelief. That Mike Davis had even existed in the city and that it didn't fit the narrative of city in the midst of today's booming economy. Like New York City's Times Square. Things were different now. Vivas all warehouse recording studio downtown is now the home of Centennial Olympic Park and family friendly attractions. Sounds like the Georgia aquarium. And the world of Coca Cola. I called many people that didn't want to talk or that didn't want it known that they were talking to me. They whispered spread even more scandalous stories to me. As if they haven't been able to tell anyone in forever. A politician seen up at the big house of cash stashed away across the globe. Oh and of the girlfriends. If the ghost of Mike feebis was still hanging around. After all these years I drove back up to bucket but this time I knew so much more and stopped by many of the spots that had played such a huge role in the story of Mike feebis. I pass pearls old house off. Riverside drive and the land. Now popping with homes where Roger Underhill is Galanti. Were gunned down on that day in October. Nineteen seventy eight just down. The road was the band. Were Mike Vivas crashed. Ashe's motorcycle in one thousand nine hundred ninety three and genetic house was short hop once you drive over the Johnson ferry road bridge running above the Chattahoochee River. Tony was right. It really was also nearby. Tony and I had continued you talk over many months and just a few days before the recording of this episode we talked again. I met him at the entrance to Lionsgate. I was finally going to see the house from inside inside the gates for the first time. Tony Rid me a few times about calling. The House compound what I drove through the gates up to the house my impression had had changed. The House and grounds are beautiful. I touched the two large marble lions sitting near the front door looking down from the front. The views are stunning thing and it felt peaceful. Almost quiet up here. I saw the pool in the back and a waterfall. Tony had built a chicken coop near the back of the property and he even had a few colonies there to the property used to sit on eighteen acres but today it was on three still impressive in a big city like Atlanta. Tony showed me a collection of photos from throughout the years photos of the horse stable. That used to sit near the back of the land including one of the pony that DB had gifted his brother so many years ago the house was always a mystery to me hidden behind the gates up on the hill. Tony and I looked through lots of photos of him and his family back when they had happier times together other there was one of a smiling Tony with his twin sister and another one of his dad sitting on his motorcycle and a black and white photo of Mike Davis from the nineteen in sixty s with the Parthenon in Athens Greece in the background. Tony also had photos of the parties. His father had thrown at the house. There was one of that Chesa. I saw the bar fully stocked record company executives. Smiling most with mustaches. funky pattern shirts from the nineteen seventies. I saw a rare photo of Mike and Joanne with Roger Dean Honor Hill seated at a table in one of the beautiful dining rooms at the plaza hotel in New York a photo of Mike and pat sitting on the grounds of the Texarkana prison and another one of the two of them with one of the kids of Ginette. Maybe this was one thieves had with him while he was behind in bars. The words prison photos was written in pen below three photos of Jeanette and finally the last photo of Tony and his father taking before they stopped speaking. Before Mike Piazza's death. His father was a little grayer but looked weary entire. I told Tony that there was something undeniably charming and charismatic about his father that I had felt since the first time I started to dig into this story so many years later feebis and is larger than life personality still shown through there was nothing average about Mike Divas on a way why had twenty five years years of good lie. I try to look at it and just that manner in other words if this is all that the Lord wanted me the have than I accept what I've had because I had far more than most people did the one thing I want more than anything in my life. Even if I wound up with a life sentence for spitting on the sidewall is to to prove my innocence to the murders basically. So my children don't have to live with that type of stigma. Aw The gangster houses created written and hosted by me Jason Jason Hope and as a production of imperative entertainment. Shane Freeman is lead engineer with additional editing production support by myself and Jasmine Cross with audio mixing provided by resonate recordings recording sessions at tree sound studios Atlanta Claire. Martin and Elizabeth Egan Are Story Editors Cover Art designed signed by Trevor Island archival footage licensed courtesy of Brown Media Archives University of Georgia and WSB TV in Atlanta Georgia original music sport by Brandon Bush the Ballad t performed and written by Sammy Johns previously. Unreleased I for publisher is Act One Music Company Inc Music licensed from Gin music grew loved the songs from Gangster House. Check out the new playlist on spotify. Doc just search gangster house some segments recorded using actors to recreate scenes based on the true story for more information exclusive photos or tips on this story visit kinks our house dot com or visit us on facebook twitter and Instagram by searching gangster house. If you love the show tell a friend and leave a review view have questions email us at podcast at imperative entertainment dot com. Thanks for listening a listener. 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The American Dream | Chapter 1

Gangster House

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The American Dream | Chapter 1

"This podcast is intended for mature audiences listener discretion is advised lettering. Oasis dove the fun men glamorous entertainment but just a few blocks away a tourist buying eight -demia or the second street extra time square not today's Day's version of Times Square but the version of Times Square in the nineteen seventies not the moment all the touristy restaurants Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum and Hamilton on Broadway. But the one before the Times Square that was the center of porn pimps and prostitution of sleaze grime and smoke every theater at one point every tator on forty second street was porno theater. We begin talent by putting ads in the village voice models native for films no experience necessary. The nudity required in magazines. We're getting older. I mean was coming out. They were pretty much showing everything at that point in time but the moralistic people would look down on that type of activity and it was illegal. It was issue. Legal deep throat became this phenomenon that everybody wants to see it and so they started booking all over the country doctors and lawyers mental suitcases and boyfriends and girlfriends in old ladies guys were selling them. That's where the money was. So if you got busted their lawyer would be down there before you finish getting booked. They also had at that time. Live sex shows and you know everybody would get busted tested for they even got to jail. Warrior will be there get them all out and that sort of thing like a Haha kind of situation. Ha Ha we got busted. He you know because the younger people especially disres- not a moral issue and the landscape was primed at this point four. Exactly likely would happen so it was really kind of perfect storm. You know a lot of people romanticize about that time. You don't know what it was like back. Thank you have it in your head what you think but it was frightening worried back then really scary far away from the bright lights of Times Square deepen the conservative south. There was one man determined to make a big in the business. It is bigger than the COLGATE palmolive company. Did it bigger than Roulston PURINA. It is bigger than Coca Cola and Lachie it is bigger than bf Goodrich and the Columbia Broadcasting System it is bigger than general mills the scope and Heiser Bush is the pornography industry an industry. That does a four billion dollar a year business in this country and while Atlanta Mike at once again behind bars his empire city continues to Florida in November nineteen seventy five. The time they might thieves became recognized nationally the the time the rest of the country was introduced to him. As the Sultan of smut Reader's digest was one of the most popular magazines in the country at the time a digest of analysis and features delivered to around sixteen million households each month. The article the Sultan of smut describe the life and Times of Mike beavis operator of America's largest pornography network if a local story like this was going to reach the rest of the country Reader's digest the one print publication. That was going to do it by the early nineteen seventies. Beavis was said to have amassed a one hundred million dollar fortune that's over six hundred fifty million in today's as dollars and was set to control forty percent of the adult entertainment industry nation. Wife at the time obscenity laws varied from state to state and with the changing gene cultural landscape courts also found themselves confronted with a backlog of cases on the topics of sex and morality throughout the sixties and early seventies the fetus was right in the middle of all having been arrested nearly one hundred times most of them laughable obscenity charges is high priced lawyers. Got Him out of but but in one thousand nine hundred ninety five Mike. The home for the next eight years was going to be inside a federal prison was so called Sultan of smut. And how did he form his porn or an empire in of all places Atlanta Georgia. I learned about thieves not from Reader's digest but from a friend local Atlanta who went to high school with the thieves. Kids Divas warehouse the place where he ran his business and stored. All of his adult products is today just a short walk from Centennial Olympic. Park the Georgia Aquarium and CNN center enter these days and embassy. Suites Hotel sits at the same address. Today there's barely a remnant of what downtown Atlanta was in the nineteen seventies and I didn't know anything about what Atlanta was fifty years ago and exactly what went on at Davis's headquarters. It all began here. That Dixie News News. Mike Davis was a night manager at the Dixie News. Some years back and the rest as they say in the movies is history that history would be more at home in the movies than in in fact for the development and operation of Mike. beavis pornography empire is truly amazing. Might thieves wasn't your average everyday pornographer. He was the son of Greek immigrants. He was an altar boy the Greek Orthodox Church and for a time said he wanted to be a priest as a teenager he hopped in the back of a truck with nothing nothing but a few dollars in his pocket and eventually landed in Atlanta. Mike exuded charm and southern accent was unmistakable. Those qualities along with this edition served him well as he opened up a series of newsstands in downtown Atlanta Joanne. Kaufman was from Liberal Kansas. She worked at the Soda Fountain. The crossroads of Marietta Street Newsstand Mike Rann at first Joann thought. He was stuck up and conceited but eventually Mike noticed her the the first date was at the Varsity. The world's largest drive in and hot dog stand right in the heart of the city. Mike Joanne fell in love. They remarried five months later. He was nineteen she was only sixteen. Times were tough in those early days. They could barely make the fifty dollar rent on their I department an apartment set in the shadow of the Atlanta penitentiary. Still he felt like he really was ause living the American dream. Mike told Joanne he'd make millions one day. The normal normal going on the job and Mike Joann always wanted to have a large family all told they had five children together. I contacted Tony feebis. He's the twin in brother. Stephanie and he still lives here in Atlanta like his Dad Tony projected an air of confidence and swagger. I wonder what it was like for Tony growing up with his father father always in the spotlight. He told me about his early childhood memories riding around on his motorcycle and Sandy Springs up and down hills and riding around in the Packard on Sundays and going into bronx with family and stuff like that picnics on the river with a family his father. My grandfather is obviously for Greek. He spoke primarily Greek obviously fluent in English and his mother was not fleet grandmother. He was not born and raised in Greece. Spent some time in Greece but very little. He's worn Raleigh North Carolina. Well rally his big Greek communion it and I think that's why my grandparents lived there when he started out at nineteen years old. He opened a bookstore. Were for bookstore in ticket over from the owner owner who wanted to get out and probably at worked literally by six o'clock in the morning and didn't come home from work until eight o'clock at night. He was consumed Zimba work and the pornography business kind of fell into his lap. It was accidental. Fine there is not something to pursue. How did Atlanta of all places become the home of the sex industry empire forty two? My Father Hugh Hefner came to him and asked him to sell Playboy magazine. Richard just come out. He did. I think not initially but he was pursued a couple times. He didn't. They flew off. The shelves make obvious conclusion and he told me and I think has been repeated. Many times ninety percent of his propagating ten percent of his product it. He made the obvious conclusion there and he went more and more into a bit was it was not something he thought about or knew about time. According to Him Uh he opened additional newsstands and put in more product like a playboy magazine. I recall what the names of the others were. I do know that he told when he turned down. Larry Flint and Hustler magazine because it was just too far out at that time In the heyday of Mike Vivas business expansion. Tony was just just a kid. He knew the story of his father but even as an adult. It seems like there's a lot he's still trying to piece together only lifted the big house. We grew up in and you have a closet that he used to show off to people when they come over a a giant closet filled with he was showing off. We'd love to wear suits all day long if this was truly a businessman who accidentally valances pornography. It didn't look the part and you know He. He looked like a Wall Street person every day and it really more the respect that came with that book it wasn't flashing was styling. It was acceptable. You know I've spent a lot of time last few years investigating stuff stuff on my own much like you're doing now because I'm inundated at this point in my life with Hollywood interest in movies and documentaries and that sort of thing every outlet outdoors come to move to do something and I can't stop it so I might as well get on the horse or get dragged behind it one way or the other. You're going to deal with it so you can just see what's online for the negative stuff this force of positive stuff. I know the family. He loves kids he flat L. City can't believe he wasted his life like We've all been there suffered through those times when we really needed needed something a bigger TV to watch the game new tires on your car. A tablet to keep track of your busy schedule or an amazing new iphone. Eleven to listen. Jason Damore podcasts. But how many of you got the kind of cash laying around to cover those expenses. That's why you need to check out seven with seven. 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Mike Junior townie Stephanie. Christina and Jason You. Steve is built his fortune. He also bit lionsgate located in northwest Atlanta not far from BECA. It was one of Atlanta's largest homes in the nineteen seventies. It looks like a castle. This was no ordinary house. It's an English Tudor Manor twelve thousand five hundred square feet. Now it's only three and a half acres was on eighteen and a spectacular and he had to pay cash for everything but you know he was in a cash business. Move Money and east. Tell me that he would get get a lot more work done by the contractors in the house became bigger because of the available cash to get rid of it walk near one day. We'll ever shocking. Take this out another fifteen feet or go that way. Another ten feet. Here's some cash Paul Lieberman reporter for the Atlanta Constitution. At the time remember the size and presence of the house thieves lived in this giant Tudor Mansion spends what would probably be today the equivalent of fifteen million dollars with a lake and a moat. It's unbelievable you have to have the right house. And this is the Gatsby deal but he he does and thesis also had tried to buy his way into polite society by donating to charities and the people took his money and they said Nice things about him years later. The house was back in the spotlight body. Brown and Whitney Houston lived in the house. They tell me there's a story about you having sex with a ghost. Oh boy yeah but this was at a time. When I was filming ghostbusters prior to but I have I bought this house in Atlanta Georgia which was owned by? They say the porn king was at the time. It was just a Spooky Spooky House I actually woke up into someone call. I guess a wet dream but you know it was a girl really saw something something. Is this person it was the ghostly person you had sex with the ghost yes after this occurred. Yeah did you say crazy. I didn't like that house at all. Did you leave soon. After I did leave soon after I needed to see the house for myself you get to the house by driving through winding roads and heavily wooded areas of northwest Atlanta. It's not an area of the city I have been too often and I was struck not only by the scale and beauty of the mansions here but also the pure number of incredible houses that line the roads some old some new but all are truly beautiful estates professional Athletes have discovered this area for their own homes and escape. From the pressures of stardom while still offering bragging rights at the biggest and baddest estate. It was an easy twenty minute drive from my house. The turnoff ends but the stop. In front of large iron gates the placard said Lionsgate Estate Symbol of an ancient looking lion like one that might belong on a coat of arms. The iron gates are connected to tall stone columns each with large lions chance sitting on top both appearing disdain. Dr I ask Tony about the name. And he wasn't sure where it came from something. His Dad dreamed up which suited the grandeur. The place place. In fact. The Lion Gate was the main entrance to the citadel of Mycenaean southern Greece. I erected in the thirteenth century. BC Up on a large tale designed to protect from invaders. Below wants an eighteen acre estate. The thieves has lionsgate is now a mere three acres insides. A newer looping road encircles the entire property surrounded by a collection of twelve homes each worth over a million dollars themselves as as you enter the front walkway to the house to more large dark colored marble. Lions stare at the House really did feel like a castle a fortress. I never thought a house could feel scary or intimidating but this house did after everything I had heard about the house felt more like a compound and less like a place as to raise a family. I wondered what was it really like growing up in this place. My father was very adamant about never bring business mean inside the that property it was Laurel and hardy movies Disney Movies Brady bunch coach. Andy Griffith type stuff is never any magazines best where it was just a family home when the newspaper would come to the House back in the day you would get in two newspapers a day morning. Paper was called Atlantic Constitution than a evening paper. The Atlanta Journal in every day. His name was in the paper and I was like. This is weird and you want to know why. seven-year-old was reading the paper. Because I was one who go down here won't bring it up to my mom of course going to school and I would hear people talk about got it and then seeing it on TV quite a bit in the in the late seventies eighties. Yeah well I mean one of the things that I can look back on today. That really bothered me. Was I have a distinct memory of parents not allowing the children to come play with us because of my father's reputation that they saw on the newspaper and on TV. And I frankly can't blame them honestly. I don't know if I wouldn't have done the same thing but I would have had those children meaning myself and my sister and brothers come to their homes but it was just now. You're not going to that house not hanging out with this kids so I think that has a dramatic effect on any child certainly did not say today. I wouldn't I want my children to live in a place like that. It's probably because of that. I can't see why it's toll on them in any way. I can't see where their friends of offended offended them. Which I think is is very unusual and maybe it hasn't? They've kept it from me. You really love your children notch. I'm very close to my children. As I dug into his life. It was clear that stories about Mike feebis featured one central character. Michael George Davis Five Bama Freedom. I could probably done that a long time ago. How political friends and so forth charges against you you think? Oh Yeah. Do you like Gypsies. I've crossed this regard. I'm ready to do. Are you serious about moviemaking. Do you WanNa be a movie. Mogul about a movie mogul I'm very serious about the movie making in fact we've moved off facilities from MGM in Hollywood to Atlanta is no doubt in my mind they are are nervous about having to do business with Mike. Beavis this was savvy with the media but you barely heard publicly from anyone else close to him or his operations you never saw where he was either an the office or at home. It was as if everything else was off limits except the man himself Gregory Jane's a reporter for the Atlanta Constitution and talked to many who had visited Lionsgate and we're blown away by what they saw. They couldn't wait to give just a little insight into thieves as life of the party but they didn't share their name with the reporter. We didn't hear them at the time. But it might have sounded something like this. You go into Mike Davis's house and you go down the hallway. Jack and You notice the Word Picasso best the real. You notice a monet. That's the real Monica. His wife Joanne Wada. Chessen hand tools. Gold Drool what about ten in the world. She bought it to surprise. Many doesn't even know. aww Play chess course. Mike's Quick he picked it up fast. But doesn't that strike you that here. We are playing beginner's chess on a seventy five thousand thousand dollars sets. Mike spent ten thousand dollars on flowers alone for Christmas party for his record company. People when this dude gives a party man man he would make the Great Gatsby Salvi. He takes good care of his people though. I'll tell you that he's generous to a fault. But let me tell you this a fred once told me. He's the world's biggest lollipop. The Justice Department has investigated Mike Inside and out round the corner in up your alley for three solid years and they can't connect him with the mop. Let me tell you this. What he wants most is respectable? He Really Tuck you wants to be recognized for his business. Got To admit it hell of a businessman. He parlayed a newsstand and two shoeshine parlors in two million but out in buckhead where his wife get your hair done. Start whispering when she comes in so Mike Fevers have begun to build unexpansive collection of newsstands. He was a blue collar. Gatsby a horatio. Alger figure that a come from humble beginnings to this newsstands stands that sold adult magazines and toys. That the taking advice all okay. Was this really the business. That was making thesis millions or was something else going on here. I met Paul Lieberman person a man who knew more about the story than just about anyone. I was in Atlanta from nineteen seventy five to eighty four. I was a writer and then projects editor for the Atlanta newspapers. And from my first several years I worked as a writing team with Jim Stewart and I was the New York invader who experiencing Hansen investigative work and he was the southern Bubba from Dothan Alabama. I knew a mob guy wants who people said. How do you get way with what you do? And he said look around you look at that secretary. Filing sales look at the people sitting in offices calling whoever whoever else staring into the distance. Doing Crossword Puzzles. Look at the people walking down the street he said no one works. I get away with with what I do. Because I work Racial issues were forefront the black population and this in typical the south. The ripples go back all the way to the civil war you felt in the air crisp black administration had just taken fact. The city's power structure was still white. You had like five establishment establishment law firms downtown that were very powerful but Atlanta also was pretty progressive growing proud of itself and of course worse in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy six Georgian was elected president. And that's put a lot of focus on things a lot of chest puffing up but it had it had a CD side I to a lot of Polish a lot of kind of southern gentry. I mean people who'd into the great state schools and they really were right and up in main. And then you had the redneck element just around it. So there was also tension between bath and professional side and the redneck side between the budding lack. Act Political Power and then the pure racist resistance that and also an entrenched but Atlanta saw itself is the beacon a progressive South Davis was classic gangster profile. His Creation Myth is the same as scores and scores of gangsters of every ethnicity of every color every shade. They're all altar boys. I mean you come from nothing. Nothing and you're an altar boy and you make it on your own by industry just providing a service that people want in his case. He was from a Greek immigrant family. His grandparents raised him but of course he was the altar boy and had to work his way up. What isn't tell you is that at age sixteen he was was arrested for breaking and entering and actually got five years probation which was pretty significant? His tail to is Richard. North Carolina comes to Atlanta to get two jobs working at new stand making next to nothing so he opened several stands himself and they discover that a disproportionate amount of the money comes from girlie magazines. Now this is not pornography it's playboy was of course controversial when it came out but that's the story. The small amount of the trade brings in a disproportionate amount of money. I mean the thought that the sin centers of America are in the big cities. I mean New York Vegas places like that. It's not in the conservative heartland so one of the first things Steve is did was. You'd sell a book that had a introduction by a psychiatrist or someone else talking about sexual health and whatever and then the rest of the book was pictures of people's body parts and engaging aging in procreative activities and you know that was attempt to make it legal put a cover on It says Marshall Aides it means Marital AIDS and along with other sexual devices and paraphernalia. They make part of the pornography industry. It is the smallest part of that industry but the profit is there on the list. According to Forbes magazine the sale of such devices will amount to a hundred million dollars a year now. Those articles are illegal in Georgia but law enforcement officials suspect that the sale of sexual devices goes on in many cases behind closed doors so he starts bringing led add to the heartland but the big leap becomes peep show and it's the same as with slot machines and gambling the technology of a slot machine. You have to feed it. You get constant rewards well. The same with shows peep shows had started around New York they. I showed cartoons for kids. You put in a nickel whatever it was and then it would go for a minute yet to put another nickel in well enough off with the cartoons. They started putting naked women and the live shows by the way in places like Times Square. Work the same way but this is the real moneymaker the mini movie. Of course I'm inside a department store watching a cartoon but it's not too much of a jump from a cartoon to an adult L.. Peep show an adult shows are the backbone of the pornography industry insight into dealt bookstore. There may be fifteen or twenty machines somewhat similar to this except that they're not showing mighty mouse but they do show as a portion of a sexually explicit film for a quarter the catches that you can't see all the film for a quarter you have to keep putting in quarters first to see the whole film. Nobody really knows. How many quarters go in so thieves? Mrs Genius was to take the peep shows from places like times time square and bring them to the heartland so when he started spreading out he went into business with the guy in New York. What thieves would do is is if you had a bookstore he would lease you machines? You're paying them a regular amount and then he gets half the proceeds you keep half everyone will try to cheat it you in such a business. So he tried to develop his own brand machine that had a very good clicker monitor on it. That told him how much was coming in. Because you know you're hiring people that are willing to be arrested and so they may not be the most honest to things you have to do is one. You have to protect Accu Turf and you also have to enforce. That people aren't skimming from you. So this sort of business is not going to be a conventional contract. Thanks I mean it's also cash. What happened was the remote? Locations would convert the quarters into hundred dollar bills said them to him mm-hmm but around Atlanta he would collect the coins and there was a guy in Cleveland doing it. At the same time Reuben Sturman was his counterpart the to with them to their credit said. Why shouldn't they the heartland also but the peep shows are the money? No Labor and stimulus reward system. I'm that that hooked people fevers had stumbled upon a cash cow. The peepshow was like a modern day. Arcade game like pacman put a quarter in and another and another other. The explosive growth of adult entertainment operation fueled new business opportunities like restaurants and real estate more legitimate businesses designed to keep law enforcement officials away. It is the money. Obviously that attracts organized crime. Mike Vivas has managed to insulate himself and others in his organization and by setting up paper corporations sources tell me he has managed to set up more than three hundred of those corporations. Despite his best efforts people would not stop calling wing him the porno king in a long rambling conversation with me. Mike said he resented always being referred to as the Porno. He had lots of other businesses trucking furniture apartment in houses and gift shops. He was a movie producer. Head of charitable organizations had the keys to the city of Atlanta Nashville in Los Angeles given to him by top city officials. Israel's he was lauded and applaud cost and discussed and finally jailed and even there he has lots to say He was just listed on old school. Southern Gentleman who wore sued who had a bad temper and fell into the business but I knew him well enough to know he man and had a terrible temper and he believed that what he believed. And I've caught him in enough. I caught him in and I'm not trying to disparage my father. WHO's not here here to defend himself? But I'm a realist. So I called them. When I think about some of the conversations we had I mean he basically gave it up and just conversations we have and I to this day? Don't understand why he did what he did other than he had very works news a very short temper and he's not the kind of person you want to cross. Did I know that one thousand nine hundred seventy four year old. No but I learned it as I grew older today. Police pursued the angle that Hans dealings and Atlanta's pornography business led to his death this morning. Lieutenant CJ Strickland question. Mike Stevens the man who's been called the kingpin of Atlanta's industry TVs is believed to be the last person. Let's see how before his death. I don't have any knowledge as to what happened to Mr Hamon was personal friend of mine and I just think it's a terrible tragedy In this season on gangster house a month before the fire divas told him there was only room for one bookstore in Fayetteville and that womack should either sell or close down womack refuse feel something to my right. And there's a black limo to men in black suits with a baby doll former green beret. Captain said Divas once told him of killing a man face to face of shooting him and watching him beg for his life. There's two guys Davis was like stocky as bold and another guy who looked like he was assured of scape e from Brooklyn so they dumped the money out table instead county. I heard pop pop. I could see a very dark car driving by our property Gary slowly he was a few feet away when mays was blown up in his van. He said there were pieces. All around me. What were the circumstances? Stances of the shooting don't know yet on it's been a news lately we'd heard they were connected with the Mike Pizzas Organization. Can you confirm that. Yes was set up if he is yes. He presented Davis us with a piece of bone. He was planning to turn into a paper way. It told us there was a half a million dollars in cash for the million dollars jewelry. So Mike Divas walked out this door to freedom. Fevers where's He. Some are speculating. He may be in Colombia. Costa Rica countries which have harbored United States criminals gangster houses created written and hosted by me chasing hope and as production of imperative entertainment. Shane Freeman is lead engineer. 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"From NPR and WB, you are I'm Jeremy Hobson Im Tanya Moseley. This is here now. This afternoon, Republican Senator Lisa. Murkowski, said the words of former. Defense Secretary James Mattis were true. Honest, necessary and overdue. That is shocked Washington yesterday with scathing criticism of president trump. He said he was angry and appalled at how the government is handling the nationwide demonstrations against racial injustice and police brutality. He called the decision to clear peaceful protesters from outside the White House this week, an abuse of executive authority. Let's bring in here now. Security analyst Jim Walsh is a senior research associated Mit Security Studies Program Hi Jim good to be with you Jeremy. And to remind people. Mattis is a Marine general. Who resigned -tary of defense in December. He made comments in a statement to the Atlantic saying trump is quote the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people does not even pretend to try. How significant are these statements coming from a very respected former military leader? Yes, I've met with Madison it with him. When he was head of Centcom later, he became secretary of Defense. Think their significant one because. in the main military officials try to refrain from criticizing the president Certainly as a people who are not retired try to avoid that and even the retired military officers strive to do that and and in this case. We have Madison Making Statement. We have others who have made statements and more tellingly, we've had statements from people in the military acting commanders who have issued official statements Basically expressing concern about the protests and Appel police brutality, and those sorts of things that's very unusual for them to be making statements on water issues and I interpret of Madison. Statements Mullen statements other people's statements and the statements from active military as signaling saying hey. About this this might be moving in the wrong direction and it makes them feel uncomfortable. Well, that's the mullen is you're talking about former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike. Who made some statements against what the president is doing? We also have heard from retired. General John Allen. The former commander of American forces in Afghanistan who wrote a scathing op-ed against president trump in foreign policy, and then in terms of the current military leaders. Are you referring to Defense Secretary Mark? Esper-, who said? We must reject any thinking of our cities as a battlespace that are uniformed military is called upon to dominate that angered president trump in than Espera had to reverse the decision to send home. The troops from DC yeah so I was not talking about. Espera I'm talking about people who are actually military officers. spurs a civilian serving in a civilian role as secretary of defense. Defense I'm talking about active members of the military in the Officer Corps who have issued statements about the unrest and about police brutality, USB before did these things we're these significant statements. Did they make a difference? The fact that expert changed his tune is evidence to me that they did make a difference that he felt compelled under criticism to change his view and then. He changed it back after reportedly president trump blew up at him and yelled at him. He changed again. So we have a real lack of leadership in the department offense at the head there who a person keeps shifting back and forth, but it's clear that the military itself feels very uncomfortable. Mattis is probably channeling some inside the Pentagon, and then obviously others in the Pentagon itself or also expressing concern. But a lot of the concern is just about the idea of using the US military. Against American citizens in America A, we've heard now that among the troops deployed in Washington. DC have been armed forces with no identifying insignia who refused to identify themselves to protesters and reporters this week the Attorney General. William Bar directed the Federal Bureau of Prisons to deploy riot teams in DC. What do you make of that? Well that seems like a work around, so there's sensitivity about using members of the military for domestic policing. That should never happen. The members of the military are trying to fight wars and to kill enemies abroad. They're not trained in policing domestic protests, so there's a real line there. Let me also say that it's important to remember that. Some forty percent of the military is made up of African. Americans who may have views about this particular topic and may feel. Feel uncomfortable being put in a domestic policing role as for the Bureau of prisons at might be a way for bar to sort of Marshall, some people and police the president, but I wonder about the wisdom of that we are currently in a federal prison lockdown that it started over cove it, and now has been extended, and so to deploy resources from the depart from Bureau of prisons at a time when the prisons are in lockdown may be unwise. That is Jim Walsh here now. Security analysts Jim. Thank you thank you. Let's turn to another big story. The pandemic more than a dozen states are seeing a daily increase covert nineteen cases Mississippi Arkansas Arizona have hit records in new daily cases in just the last week with numbers, also rising in Tennessee Dr. Jeannie Morocco is director of the Division of Infectious Diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, and she's also part of the states, coronavirus, task, force and Dr What's happening right now with the coronavirus specifically in the south. So the south has been somewhat delayed in its experience of Corona virus and I think that one thing people need to understand is that as the virus spreads? There are successive dynamic waves of transmission, and that's why we're seeing so much variability, so you saw the introduction largely on the West Coast and the northwest, but very soon after in New York City in the northeast, and then a gradual movement down to the southeast which is. Is really where the burden of the US experiences occurring right now even in the southeast were seeing variations in pockets of intensity, so if you look at a state level in a state like Alabama for example, you can see that some of the counties that had the earliest outbreaks of infection are now experiencing a somewhat waning of that intensity and other counties that are vulnerable are now coming on board and seeing a lot more infections. You're saying that there's been a delay in spread in the south and yet this also coincides with many of these states partially reopening. Can you talk about that dynamic for moment? Yes if I could figure out that dynamic I'd probably a win some sort of major price because they're so there are so many dynamic very ables impacting what we are seeing as a somewhat superficial epidemiology of virus, you not only have huge shifts in population, mixing and mobility right as these physical distancing measures are modified. That's a huge variable on the second level. You've got just. Just the virus, doing its thing, and continuing to transmit at its usual pace, and at the third level you have the dynamic of WHO's getting tested so very very difficult to be really confident in any big picture profiling of where this virus is going, and that's that's one of the reasons. We don't know what's going to happen in the next couple of months or the fall. Speaking of that. You know especially in April. We were having lots of discussions about the impact on medical systems I'm wondering. Are you thinking that these increases are big enough to overload local medical systems? And what point do you think they should trigger a stock to the reopenings that were saying and some southern states. Yeah. That's terrific question and I can give you some specific examples you know for example here? We have a fifteen hundred or so bed hospital fairly large ICU and with very good adherence to physical distancing in March through April. We were able to keep things pretty much under control. Unfortunately what we're seeing now despite that effort is that we're having to take transfers from smaller cities like Montgomery. For example that are experiencing a surge, the other dynamic with that, and this is true throughout the south is that in the last decade plus we have seen closures of many small rural hospitals, never situation of a very vulnerable population. Lots of morbidity often. Often remote who don't have the local health care safety net that they need. They are then being brought to regional cities that have regional medical centers which are then getting very much overloaded, so it's really going to be a question of monitoring the capacity of the referring and the referral hospitals very closely, and we're doing that on a day by day basis. Dr. Anthony Fauci of the White House Corona Virus Task Force to the Journal of the American Medical Association this week that a corona virus vaccine may not give long term immunity immunity from common corona virus is actually last about three to six months almost always less than a year. Is Too much hoping put on a vaccine. I would agree with Dr Chee that I think seem research is fraught with uncertainties. Hope and failure and some success right so I think we'd never really understood or intervened with corona virus to create sustained immunity, because frankly creating a vaccine for the common cold has not been a particularly high priority in the scientific research agenda The good news about the corona virus. Research Program that's moving forward is that there are several what are called platforms for developing these vaccines? They're using different targets, so if things really get off the ground in the next six months, we should get some answers within the next year and that's that's really what we need. It's really hard to say without the hard data. That's Dr Jeannie Murad, so. She's director of the Division of Infectious Diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham doctor. Thank you so much. Thanks my pleasure. It feels like nothing in the news these days it makes any sense, so Hudson Hodge turned to his father, and his faith for answers he said, don't worry about the number of questions. Just worry about which questions become more clear and solidified comedian been hodge on how his spirituality is getting him through. Listen subscribed to. It's been a minute from NPR. A memorial service will be held for George Floyd in Minneapolis today ten days after he died in police custody, the former officer at the center of the incident Derek Shaw van has been charged with second degree murder. Three other former officers also face charges for involvement in the death, meanwhile protests continue around the country Stephanie Stokes from member station. W. A. B. E. IN. Atlanta takes us there. The center of the protests in downtown Atlanta around. Centennial Olympic Park crowds of a couple thousand gather each day in the nearby streets. The new charges against the Minneapolis officers didn't change that although Olivia Young says she was happy to hear. The news s a big is a really big step to canal. She wants people to know. Protesters are out here. Missile bigger patriotism meaning that everybody needs to see that black lives, matter and that. That Jessica should always be for everybody. The demonstrators show up despite of sometimes heavy response from police. The city put a curfew into effect. After the first night of protests ended with vandalism and looting, officers often used tear gas to disperse. Crowds are moved them away from government buildings trae Clapton has a large purple bruise on his leg. He says is from rubber bullets. He plans to keep demonstrating. I'll be out here every day everyday. Day until something changes, most protesters like him have remained peaceful Clapton has even engaged officers in discussions about reform when clocked and talks about why he's out here. He points to his brother. He's a jogger like Ahmad. Arboretum a black man who was recently shot in southwest, Georgia. Clapton worries every time his brother goes out for run. I can't I. DON'T WANNA. Feel that. Many of the people out here have a personal story like that signs that stick up above the crowd reference other family members, nephews Kendra David got up, so he could finally joined the protests. His sign mentions his son. Much I. Don't want grown up in a world. Like this. There already have been some shifts. In Atlanta the city fire, two officers for excessive force. They were involved in teasing to college students during the protests. And last night for the first time, law enforcement didn't use tear gas to clear the area around the park. The Knight's still ended in arrest though Atlanta police report around four hundred arrests since protests began last Friday. For here and now I'm Stephanie Stokes in Atlanta. The. City of San Francisco lifts its curfew today. After days of protest last night there was a peaceful march of estimated ten thousand plus people in the city with only a handful of arrests. We're joined now by SAN. Francisco Mayor London breed mayor. Thanks for joining us, thank you. Jeremy will, and let's start with the protests that we're seeing in your city. You've said that you are the mayor of the city, but a black woman i. How long do you think that these protests will continue well? I will say that people are mad and people are. hurt and people are sick and tired, so I think that they're not just going to disappear I, think people want to be heard. They want this to stop and so I think that the reason why. There's been a lot of attention brought to it sadly, because of the violence and the looting and the vandalism, and those sorts of things, and I've made it clear to people look. We are not implementing a curfew in San. Francisco to just protect property. We're doing it to protect people. We're trying to protect the protesters. We want them to go home safely. We want police to go home safely. We want everyone to go home safely and so parts of what we are trying to do is is protect the public as best we can, but we want to make sure people have an opportunity to protest. What do you think of the response that you've seen from? The White House President? Trump has been saying that governors. Need to get tougher on the protesters who get out of hand. He's talked about using dogs using the US military sending people to jail for years. What do you think about that? I think that it's. I think we're in a really bad place. When we have the person who's responsible for everyone in this country. Pushing for division. We have to acknowledge the hurt and the pain. As hard as it is property. Can Be repaired and replaced people can't. And, we are tired of African. American men dying at the hands of law enforcement. And we want to see change and I. think that that has to be acknowledged before. Aggressive military response. Is Even talked about. It shouldn't even have a place in the discussion right now and what I hope it does for the folks who are protesting and upset and angry. I hope what this does is. It pushes them to the polls. I want to ask you about what's happening there. In San, Francisco at the Police Department. Because as you know, there's a video that appeared maybe a week ago. That shows a San. Francisco police officer back in January briefly kneeling on a black teenagers neck, similar to what happened with George Floyd in Minneapolis now. The incident in San Francisco is not fatal. But what did you think when you saw that video and heard about that well after everything? We've done here in San Francisco around police reform. All I can think about is. This is not acceptable and we have to do better. We have implemented various training, but there is no training for commonsense and also common decency. I get that. The police officers were trying to restrain this individual for whatever reason, but that move is not something that should have occurred. And we have to do better and I am committed as mayor of the city who is responsible for this police department to making sure that these kinds of incidents don't continue to happen and that we hold officers in the city accountable, and also other players have to hold one another accountable I've gotten so many calls from police officers in San Francisco to say we are so angry about what happened to George Floyd I mean they were angry. Don't tell me. Tell your fellow officers tell the public you all have to be a part of the solution as well because this is not okay, and we have to change it will. Do you support an overhaul? As the San Francisco Public Defender's office has called for an overhaul of use of force policies at the Police Department I definitely want to be clear that we have. They're working towards overhaul. Those policies and I think the problem is the people were calling for. Things should probably read what the policies are. I understand all the reforms that we have made. that. We are trying to implement and people are like. Why haven't you implemented the reforms faster and let me tell you why because we want these officers to get it. We're not just making everybody. Go through training to go through training. They need to understand what it means. As relates to Antibi- training, they need to understand the time and distance policy. When they're out on the field, they can put this into action. They have to believe in it. They have to do it and if we have people who have a problem with policing black communities. If they have a problem with Asians or anything else, they should not be working in this department. Because of their inherit nature. Of being sadly racist, so. The policy mayor breed. Is You know this is happening in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic? Now you have kept San. Francisco very tightly locked down and you've had much better results than most other cities in this country as a result of that, but outdoor dining is going to restart in the middle of June in San, Francisco. Do you think other cities are moving too quickly? Should more people be following your lead, or do you think San? Francisco's just different than other places because I'm not managing no cities and I don't know what challenges they have. It's hard for me to suggest it. Other cities should be doing what San. San Francisco is doing i. do think that this point. We need to move a lot faster because we are seeing the curve drop and the economy is suffering and people who are low income residents of the city have lost their job, and so I think what's important, is we? City opened as quickly as we possibly can. Because this virus is with us so now it's time for us to adjust our new normal and make sure we do everything they can to keep people safe. Are you at the point now? Where anybody who wants to test can get one in San Francisco Yeah. If you are San, Francisco residents. And you exhibit one symptoms. You can get tested if you also are essential worker. Any essential worker in San Francisco, whether you're a resident or not, you don't have to exhibit any symptoms. You can get tested any time. Do you think that come the fall? People in San Francisco. We're going to be tested all the time or do you think we will of past that point and getting back to something that feels more like normal by that point you know I. I, it's GonNa. Be Tough because it's really gonNA depend on the number of cases, the number of deaths, the number of hospitalization, the goal is to make sure that our testing capacity R. P. P.. Our contact tracing and all of these measures are in place, and we are in a good place even today so i. think in the fall will will be an even better place. I have one more question for you. Mayor Breed as you know, twitter has said its workers are going to be able to work from home forever. That is a company that is based in your city of San Francisco. Do you expect other companies will do the same thing, and are you worried about what that would mean for your tax revenue there? Well two things I'm definitely worried. Worried other companies have already done it, and we'll continue to do it, and it will have an impact on our economy, but ultimately ultimately people are going to WanNa. Come into San, Francisco. They're not gonNA. Always WanNa work at home. The option is great to have, but being around other people and enjoying city life. People are going to get restless and they're gonNA WANNA. Come back to work. It's going to be tough for us for some time and my hope is that. We can get back to normal sooner rather than later. That is London debris, the mayor of the city of San Francisco Mayor Breed. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, I appreciate it. Today marks one week since protests began in New York City and so far, police have arrested more than thousand people. The protests largely peaceful have also been marked by episodes of police violence against protestors for more. We have Gwynne Hogan. She's a reporter, wnyc Shannon covering the protests for a week now and Gwyn. Let's start with last night. There were reports and videos of police attacking protesters in Brooklyn. What more can you tell us about that? Yes, so I was not out last. Last night because I needed a rest but my colleagues were out there and in downtown Brooklyn there was a massive crowd of peaceful protesters completely peaceful, there was no looting. There was no vandalism and seemingly at random police began using their batons on. Many people end making violent arrests as you mentioned. You have been on the streets most nights since this protest began, tell us a little of what you've seen, and how these encounters between police and protesters have escalated. It's been totally different every night very unpredictable, so the first night that I covered was last Thursday. That was the first March. It was a relatively small group to compared to what we've seen since, but there were seventy arrests, which I've covered tons of protests have been a reporter here for seven years and I had never seen a protest with that many arrests. Arrests the next night at the Barclays, center crowds were trying to gather at Barclays early in the evening there was no curfew, but they were met by massive amounts of police in riot gear. Who Started Masinga and Patani people and from there? It kind of just off. You know. There were police vans burned that night and similar things have happened since then. There was of course the looting that began on Sunday night into Monday, but since then marches have been largely peaceful yesterday, it was peaceful all day and yet we still saw this remarkable show of force by NYPD. Officers confronting peaceful protesters just for being out after curfew. And you and your colleagues have been talking with these protesters over the last few days about what they're saying experiencing. Tell us more. There's obviously a lot of anger and frustration. The vast majority of people that are there. There want peaceful demonstrations, so we've seen when there are big crowds, the crowd kind of policing itself and making sure that nobody breaks anything and I saw this on Sunday night right before the real looting and so began. I watched dozens of protesters. Put their bodies in front of a smashed window. Saying no, this is not the fight. We cannot let looting be the headline here. a colleague of mine was in Midtown Manhattan the other night and he was with a group who? who were dancing in front of a police line? They had been told by sergeants. They could march if they remained peaceful and yet a few minutes later, they were being rushed with batons, and people were making arrests or this tyrel read right after that happened, and now the coming, trying to scare US letting us down batons. They're gonNA. They're gonNA scare US away. No, I'm out here to fight for my calls ready to die. They're beating on women hopeless women. She's screaming for her life. Life. She's scared. How many people can't breathe before? We have to get the message food. That is not right, not like that. We're peacefully protesting. It's just the irony that we've seen their out their number. One demand is end, police brutality, and yet despite the peaceful nature of the vast majority of these protests, they're met by more police brutality. That's WNYC reporter. Gwynne Hogan. She's been covering the protests in New York City and will continue to do so. Thank you so much, thank you. Back in Nineteen seventy-three, it seemed that Bruce Lee became a star overnight with the premiere of the martial arts film enter. The dragon audiences were transfixed by his fighting style punctuated by lease outcries. Unfortunately start on playing too late for Bruce Lee, who died before the film's opening? He was thirty two years old, but as we see in the new documentary, be water in his short career Bruce. Lee brought the long held stereotypes of Asian men. Even when those stereotypes threatened to hold him back be water premiers on ESPN this Sunday and director Baldwin joins us now via skype. Welcome to hear now. Break you so much for having me Tanya. And Bow I'm I'm late eighties. Kid and Bruce Lee was such an important pop culture icon. Every kid I knew was on the playground, pretending to be Lee so so much of it is so remarkable that by then he had been gone almost two decades. Why was it important for you to tell? Bruce Lee Story? For me precisely has always been this mythical figure. I've always seen him through the lens of his legacy rather than him as a person and I realized that I didn't know anything about Bruce. Lee The person I only again new Ms. his icon and I found that in order for us to really aspire Aaron connect to. These heroin figures that we relate to. We have to know who they were as a person. We have to kind of dive deep into the humanistic qualities of them, and that was one of the main goals I had when I was. Making the film in developing it in the first place, one of the things we learn from your film is about Bruce Lee's childhood in Hong Kong in the nineteen forties and fifties, and we learned that he was actually a child film star. Tell us more about that. Many people would consider him like the mccully coca of Hong Kong at that time and. It was interesting to unpacking Beth right learning about all aspects of his life starting from Hong Kong I felt like we really had to understand where Bruce. Lee was coming from as a person who grew up in a very multicultural city like Hong Kong, but then arrives to shores of America I in San Francisco and then to Seattle where he settled for a bit and those relationships that he formed. Formative to who he became as not just a martial artist, but as the philosopher and a film star. Let's talk about that for a moment. You mentioned Seattle. His father sent him to the United States to go to school in Seattle in nineteen, fifty nine, and as we hear from cultural critic, Jeff Chang and your film. This move was a shock for him. Let's listen when Bruce moves to the US. His identity is suddenly a minority. Chinese minority! In a way country, he has to face the conundrum that all immigrants face. Going to be what is my identity how to express myself and how? In US society can I even see? As you point out being seen for Bruce Lee was complicated by the way that Asian men were portrayed in film and Television at the time. Can you talk more about that? No this was a late nineteen fifties early sixties, so for Vietnam. War was just starting to boil up a bit. And you know a decade earlier was create more and two decades earlier was World War Two or the Japanese were America's enemy, so the face of the Asian American or Asian male was very much the face of the enemy to a lot of. Of Americans, and so those type of foreign policy decisions, conflicts created the stereotypes and portrayals of Asians, onscreen as villains as enemies, and also with the advent of the model. Minority myth where Asians were seen is very docile and and Kinda subservient. They played sidekicks, and they played servants in. That was the type of roles that Bruce. Louis broke out of when he eventually. Went to Hollywood and that was. His goal is to kind of not show the Asian American male in these stereotypical roles. When. He went to Hollywood thou-. He, he taught martial arts Can you talk a little bit though about his time in Hollywood and how stereotypes held him back during that time? People couldn't see past his Chinese features and his accent, even though he had a pretty great accent for for someone who just came to America right, and now now his accent is quite famous, and everyone tries to replicated many ways, but. One of the things that I learned from Bruce. Lee. Making film is how much he was a student of everyone that he taught in everyone that he interacted with. You know his first student Jesse Glover was a African. American man and Jesse was a was a victim of police brutality, and that's why he decided to learn self defense to learn martial arts, and I think that idea really informed Bruce He created ideas of bridging the gap building bridges between people instead of building walls and barriers, and that's another thing that are really take away. That really is relevant and hopefully resonates with today's audiences. Bruce Lee's frustrations set him back to Hong Kong and he became successful in films there which led to Hollywood then becoming interested in him again and to the making of enter the Dragon, how much was that film and expression of Bruce Lee and the work that he he wanted to do? I think it was really a combination of all the things that he wanted to do at the time of course I. Don't think you know. He didn't expect that. That would be his last fill, but in many ways because he was able to put in his own philosophy is own ideas, said directly action and really have a hand in the script. It's such a tragedy that he had the skull to break into Hollywood to become a big star. Be This advocate for Asian American representation any passed away a few weeks before the opening of the film, so he never realize that -treme and I. Think Sometimes People Forget that Bruce Lee had to struggle to fight for where he eventually got I want to ask you a question about the way you filmed the documentary you had. Remarkable photos and film of Lee and you spoke to various people who knew him, but we never see the people who are talking. Why did you decide to shoot the film this way? I wanted to feel a breeze in the present moment with us. A stories were very much in the present by never going back to the modern day interviews that we shy. were very much living in the same time period as Bruce Lee. Nineteen sixties America, nineteen seventies, Hong Kong, and placing ourselves in that world and one thing that I found very poignant to is at the end of the film. We start seeing some of the faces that I interviewed. Everyone is you know in their seventies and eighties, and we always Bruce Lee in his twenties and thirties and he's we've seen him and his most kind of peak right and. I always think when I see those faces in the eighties. What would briefly them like in his eighties as well? I, also WANNA to ask you. Your film is called. Be Water, and that's part of one of the most well known quotes from Bruce Lee. Let's listen. I said Mt Your Mind. Be formless shapeless. Like water. You put water into a cup. It becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle. It becomes the bottle. You're putting teapot. It becomes the teapot. Water can flow. Hoyt can crash. Be Water my friend. Can you talk more about the significance of that quote, which is now the title of your film. I felt that in addition to Bruce being water, it was a metaphor for this story of America being water, and how parise approached America in how he saw, and there's moments in the film where a step back a bit for Bruce's story of and we talk about what Asians and Asian. Americans had to go through that led up to the moment that Bruce Lee would be rejected by Hollywood and I. Always think of these moments as sort of. That Bruce Lee, faced in that he had to kind of get past like water in a way right and you know my parents are Vietnamese war refugees and and my mother. She feels more American than Vietnamese now so I think the idea of America's fluid right, it blends and melts into wire just like Bruce Lee's quote says, and we're always trying to find these moments of progress right now we are in a moment where we as a country crashing against these rocks, and we have to try to find a way to to move around it, but these rocks will always exist in many different forms and I think Bruce. Lee is less than say. The world are still very relevant today. Baldwin tells the story of the late actor and martial artist. Bruce Lee in the new film. We water at Air Sunday on ESPN Owen. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me with pleasure. One of the things we've seen protesters do over the last week is take a knee. It's a reference both to the police officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes and two former San Francisco, Forty nine or quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who lost his job after taking a knee in protest of police, brutality and racial injustice in two thousand eighteen president trump, said this of players adopting capper nics protest. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem. Well, you shouldn't be playing. You shouldn't be there. Maybe you shouldn't be in the country. Well now people are seeing capper next protest in New Light let's bring in Mike Pesca here now. Sports analysts host the daily podcast the gist, it's DOT com. Hi, Mike. Hello. Well and tell us first of all just how the protests over George, Floyd's killing are playing out in the world of sports. Well, a number of NBA players have themselves actually end the protest Jalen Brown, driving twelve hours or so to lead a protest. He's with the Celtics several members of the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. They're on hand in Philadelphia. Mataya Bill, and Ben Simmons Tobias Harris. And then when you add in the statements that are being made on twitter by athletes, the NBA leading the way, there's a chorus of calling for change the NBA I. Hope you get into this. A little bit has a plan to come back and so many of the players you know a week ago. This would be the number one thing on their minds, so many of the players are saying you know this isn't even the actual thing that make made us famous and gives us. A platform is actually even the thing. That's most important right now. It's talking about police brutality and talking about what's going on in America. What's going on in our cities? When we did hear that from new, Orleans Saints quarterback drew brees. WHO's apologizing today for saying players who kneel in protest when the NFL season starts would be disrespecting the flag. He was asked during an interview with. Yahoo Finance yesterday how the League should react if more players kneel in protest during the national anthem, as Cabernet did, I will never agree with any by. Disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country Let me let me just tell you what I see or what I feel. When the national anthem is played, and when I look at the flag of the United, states, I envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country during World War, two one in the army and one of the Marine Corps, both risking their lives to protect our country, and to try to make our country and this world a better place. Now breeze. Malcolm Jenkins this morning in an instagram post. said those comments were insensitive and completely missed the mark on the issues. We're facing right now as a country. Do you think that the protest movement Mike is changing the debate over kneeling in the NFL? Well, you know it changed, drew brees, his mind, or maybe, at least he says it does, so. It wasn't just Jenkins and I'll get to him. You know Aaron, Rodgers degrade NFL quarterback said about brees. It has never been about the anthem or the flag, not then not now listen with an open heart. Lebron James criticized them breezes own receiver, Michael. Thomas called him out but Jenkins. Who is who has been a stalwart of this movement in the NFL who's on the Players Council, who is always tried to explain to anyone willing to listen what? What Colin Kaepernick was doing by calling attention to police brutality, Malcolm Jenkins may chew instagram posts and one was crying and said of Breeze I. It's unfortunate I considered considered past tense. A friend I looked up to you. Sometimes you need to shut. And then he used an expletive and told him to shut up, and then he did another post, and he didn't really pull that back, but he gathered himself a little bit, and then he said he talked to breeze breeze issued an apology today, which some people are saying well. It's good that he. Realizes that what he said was at least inopportune, but other people are pointing out well. We just heard what you what you played their. You know here's what I think never change my opinion of it, so was he wrong then? Is He wrong now? It does get to the bigger issue of what is the League going to do should play resume with this ongoing? Problem, not problems right this ongoing issue of players wanting to take a knee. They've never had a good solution to it and they're commissioner. Roger Goodell is once again in a position of trying to represent owners interests owners are generally pro-business, and they don't want controversy balancing that against the seventy percent of the players in the League who are black, also white players who are. Under the dictates that they not express. Truly helping truly held beliefs. Okay Ju just briefly Mike I know you wanted to get to the NBA. So let's do that. The Board of Governors has reportedly close to approving a plan to restart the season with twenty two teams. What do we know about that and when it might happen? Okay, so it might happen maybe from July start point they might. If this plan goes into place, my plate, eight regular season Games and it's odd twenty two teams that means eight teams are looking out what they've essentially done is lopped off the teams that would have no chance to make the playoffs because players were saying I. Don't want to come back and maybe risk my health and get back. Back into shape with no chance to even make the playoffs, some owners or a little upset about that because they won't have a chance to make money, but then they run this eight game regular season, allowing some teams, maybe who weren't in a playoff position to earn their place in their. If all goes well, we start the playoffs and we have a championship maybe in October again lot of news. We'll see I'm sure would make people happy Mike Pesca here now. Sports analyst host the daily podcast. The Justice Light Dot Com. Thank you. You're welcome. Your in house, production of NPR WB are and associated with the BBC World Service. I'm Jeremy Hobson. Im Tanya Moseley. This is here now.

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast from ABC news. This is perspective. Closer look at the week's top stories and the stories you may have missed I'm Sherry Preston. Coming up the president and the Democrats worked to avoid another government shutdown. The committee will come back. And if they don't have all I don't even wanna waste by reading what they have another book gives an inside look into the Trump administration. He's the only guy I've ever met who can look both pretentious and that can unmade bed at the same time. And I think that's just the best way to describe Steve Super Bowl week. A former NFL player reaches another milestone, it was not okay to be and you know aid was going around for the whole thing going on. It was that was anti-gay. I don't think the NFL would embrace on perspective. The Trump administration and congressional Democrats working this week to try to prevent a second government shutdown which could come in less than three weeks. If no compromise is met. The committee will come back. And if they don't have a wall, I don't even wanna waste my time. Reading what they have President Trump says the plan must include funding for border wall. The Democrats argue it would divert money away from other areas of government that need it for more on President Trump's week and everything else happening in Washington. Let's turn to our White House. Correspondent ABC's? Karen travers. Karen, we're ending one week. And we're starting another week next week. We will finally give the delayed state of the union address. And what are we going to hear the president said that this is speech will focus on unification, which you know, implying bipartisanship and bringing the country together. Of course, this has been a pretty nasty bitter partisan time in Washington with that thirty five day government shutdown. I think we can also expect that the president is going to focus very heavily on border security, and Sherry that's where you know. He kind of joke about it. But you've almost heard the president give large portions of the state of the union over the past couple of weeks. We know what he wants. He wants billions of dollars for a border wall. And he is going to make a hard case to lawmakers to give it to him. You can imagine that the reaction in the room from that new House Democratic majority is going to be stone-faced. Yeah, we're quiet. Are we going to see any sort of unification from those Democrats who were there now, and he colors that they're wearing any actions that they plan to do. We don't know about that just yet. But I think if you look at the trend of the past week, so the government shutdown ended with a three week agreement for government funding and promised to negotiate on border security week one is over and we haven't moved an inch closer to anything that would be considered a compromise or a deal or anything the president can accept. In fact, the president undermined or dismissed any of the efforts by bipartisan lawmaker saying it's a total waste of time. He says he's not going to get what he wants Nancy Pelosi has made it very clear this week. She's not giving any money for a border wall. So where is the wiggle room? Right now, we're not seeing it but cherry the deadline. Not until February fifteenth. And if we know one thing about congress, they don't do anything if they still have time left on the clock. Right. Exactly. What are the drawbacks in just simply declaring one of these national emergencies the precedent? That's what Republicans are saying. So I starting there you have a lot of Republicans saying he should do this, Lindsey Graham and ally saying just do it. You know, go ahead. You're not going to get the money from congress. Do it. You have to do Marco Rubio is been a very vocal opponent to this plan saying this just sets a very bad precedent for future administrations. If they don't get what they want on a policy priority. They'll declare national emergency and try and reshuffle the money. So there's just the the politics of it. And what this means going forward. There's also just the push on. It's not really going to work. You know, he can say it's national emergency. Mick mulvaney. His chief of staff says they've already identified more than five point seven billion dollars from other departments that they could put together in a pot and put it toward a border wall. But if you declares a national. -mergency? He can't just write himself. A check a couple of hours later they have to figure out how they're going to do this. And here's the thing. Sherry it's going to get challenged in court and legal experts. We've spoken to say this could drag on longer than the president's remaining time in office in a first term this could be two plus years of going through the court system, which means the wall doesn't get built with that national emergency money. What do you think of the performance of Nancy Pelosi so far? I mean, she came in there. There was a lot of doubters, and and there's actually been you know, what is your thoughts on there from the White House perspective of of how this new democratic congresses is playing out led by speaker Pelosi. It was striking to see is White House officials current and former reaching out to us last week after the president declared the end of the shutdown and accepted a deal that had no money at all not a dollar for the border wall. The reaction from people close around the president was he lost. He lost this one big time. And that Nancy Pelosi played this. At every turn perfectly. I think there was a comment that when we look back on this period. Whether that's in a couple of weeks or a couple of months, and there's something that ANSI Posey said in December in the Oval Office. The president was trying to say that she was playing hard ball because she was facing a revolt among harangues, she wasn't speaker yet at that point during the lame duck session, and there were some rumblings that a couple dozen Democrats were not going to support her. And he noted that to her, you know, you're just doing this because you haven't locked this down. And she said, you know, don't mischaracterize the strength. I bring to this. And I think one thing we saw from White House officials over the past few weeks as they did miss underestimate to use a George W Bush word the the power that she was bringing in the ability that she had to keep her caucus together. The president was very frustrated. And I think he's seen Republicans over his first two years in office. Get fractured Paul Ryan speaker was losing conservatives. And then if you help the conservative. Back into the room. You lost the moderates. And they were always kind of leaking holes in the boat. We haven't seen that yet with Nancy Pelosi in the Democrats, it doesn't mean it's not coming. It's inevitable. But for now on this big fight. She's kept everybody together. Okay. ABC's? Karen Travers, joining us some from the White House, and thank you so much. Enjoy the Super Bowl this weekend. Have a great weekend. Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is become one of the latest to leave President Trump's inner circle and write a book about his experiences is weighing in on the power plays within the administration and the Muller. Pro ABC's David Wright has more Donald Trump was not my first choice, president states. I was I didn't win brash. Former governor of New Jersey doesn't pull any punches. That's simply not Chris Christie style. Christie's new book let me finish Trump. The Kushner's Bannon, New Jersey and the power of in your face politics. The federal government is just barely back up and running again after the longest shutdown on record the state of the union postponed for a week because politically at least the nation's capital has been in a month long state of dysfunction Christie says there's no question the Democrats won this round how prepared as he for Nancy Pelosi. I think you see the his and give her a nickname. Remember he calls. Chuck Schumer cryan Chuck he has no nickname for. Nancy pelosi. I can't emphasis you how important that is Roger stone. The latest casualty of the Muller pro there's certain things in that in that indictment that should be concerning for people at the top levels of the Trump campaign in the summer of two thousand sixteen because their referenced over and over again, and yet you write in the book that you feel like this was a team that was too disorganized to collude with do. I still think there's evidence of collusion with the Russians. You never know the people at the top levels of the Trump campaign should at least be concerned about what else Mr. Moore may. Now, governor Christie knows that firsthand bridge gate overshadowed his second term as New Jersey Governor the scandal over the partial closure of the George Washington Bridge allegedly to punish a New Jersey mayor who refused to endorse the governor's reelection to bridge gate cost to the presidency. Yeah. I think it did. I do because I think that what? Happened was I at that time was the front runner for the Republican nomination. I just one sixty one percent of the vote for reelection in a blue state. And I think I was threat to people Christie's political standing was badly damaged by bridge gate. Even though prosecutors were unable to come up with any proof. He was behind it at least, partly because of the fallout from bridge gate Christie's presidential campaign never really got off the ground. Instead, he was one of the first major Republicans to endorse Trump the book recounts all the big campaign milestones, including the low point of the race the release of the access Hollywood tape. You know, he didn't remember it. But when he saw it he turned around because it's me locker room talk locker room banter, locker room panther was what he said it was in the book Christie also settled some scores with other key players on the campaign. Michael flynn. You're not a big fan. No, he's he's a criminal. And he's a train wreck. I begged the president to not give him that job. Steve bannon. He's the only guy I've ever met who can look both pretentious on like unmade bed at the same time. And I think that's just the best way to describe Steve. But the Trump adviser who comes in for the most sustained criticism in the book is still at the president's side son-in-law, Jared Kushner as nepotism a problem for this press. Well, I just think it's hard to have. It's hard to be objective about your own family. First off you love them. It's hard to be objective about them. And if they do something really wrong, it's hard to fire him because you gotta have thanksgiving with them. There is a narrative out there that Jared Kushner and evoke Trump soften some of the darker impulses. And channel President Trump to a good place. I think there are times when jarred Nevada play constructive role with the president and other other times when they don't like the rest of us Chris Christie is watching with interest. In fact, he's an ABC news contributor to use still harbor. Presidential ambitions someday, not really you. Swung in you missed. Yeah. Thank you know, you took your best shot. I would only run if I thought that I had a legitimate chance to win. I don't like engaging in this kind of stuff just as an exercise. But I absent those factors lining up. I'm also pretty happy with my life as as it exists now coming up in Venezuela. Measles outbreak that has rocked several states on perspective after this. I'm ABC news chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl from campaigns and controversies Putin bear responsibility for this may he may to store summits and stork tweets skew elaborate on I don't think it's at all fighting his ability to get his job done. Join me and ABC's Rick Klein every week as we break down the biggest political stories of the day on the powerhouse politics podcast. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. Welcome back to perspective. I'm Sherry Preston. Thousands taking to the streets in Venezuela. This week demanding President Nicolas Maduro resignation US officially recognized opposition leader one. Why does the country's president ABC news senior foreign correspondent, Ian panel is in Caracas in spoke with our Brad milkey on ABC's daily podcast start here about the protests and the state of Venezuela. He's been pressured by the US. He's been threatened by Europeans in Venezuela. Nncholas Maduro watch thousands of his own countrymen demand. He step down. Make no mistake the air to Hugo Chavez's, put down protests before Medeiros held office despite food shortages, he won what was widely considered a sham election. He pushed rivals from power. He even at the national assembly our version of congress just kind of written out of the constitution. So this is not new to him. But if you're in the opposition right now, suddenly you feel like those other demonstrations the crackdowns were not in vain. Suddenly you've got a chance here. Caracas ones bowl nuclear being singing chanting, liberty liberty to his people gathered to give Madero one more push at the door. ABC's senior foreign correspondent, Ian panel managed to get in right alongside them and Ian joins us. Now. What are you saying more of a walkouts than a munch? Why do people to leave that desks leave their homes leave the schools on the streets from midday to two o'clock. So we went to one of the central guez where the position tend to gather with that trying to not draw too much attention to ourselves because the media suddenly not particularly welcomed by the authorities here. What is your message to the people of America to the people of the world? Datasheet people can't afford and there wasn't much. But then Sunday. But then Sunday people started beeping. Someone fat pig waving some thoughts blowing a whistle. People thought that he was suddenly started appearing from different directions. Waving Venezuelan flag holding up placards, declaring nNcholas Maduro dictatorship. Chanting singing singing, the national anthem and within the space about a now surrounded by thousands of people all of whom believe the nNcholas Maduro is no longer a legitimate president. They desperately need change in the country and the willing to take the risk and don't underestimate. It is a significant risk to on the streets and co for change what is the regime thinking here? I think you know, this is a policy-making own the hoof. So it was an interview with a Russian media outlets in which he said, yes, he'd be willing to meet with one Guido and negotiates, and and maybe on one level he wants to. But at the same time they have removed. Any permission on one guy dote to leave the country, his assets have been frozen, and we know that Nicolas Maduro is also being recruiting more of these these a neighborhood militias, click tvos is unknown. These are the bullyboy thugs who in. Force the president's orders. Like in addition to the military people. He's been talking to. He's also got these sort of off the books squads at how ugly. Does this get it could get very very ugly. I mean, yes, you have the military then you have the police in the national guard. And then you have these plainclothes collect tvos. I was talking to someone who lives in one of the areas where a lot of these guys break the national intelligence they would deliberately putting on playing close. Go to mingling with the crowd shouting, anti Maduro slogans. Meanwhile, recording the other people who were all Sassaman straight people who may will get a knock at the door in the night. And that's already happened to schools and schools of people. Gosh, I can't imagine it. So now you've got President Trump calling Widodo to congratulate him on being president. But I mean, if quite oh, the one of the most powerful men of the country has to walk this line where he doesn't get arrested or shot. What is your average Venezuelan dealing with this week? I mean, people are up to mystic cools that the will be changed. But they've seen the bloodshed in the danger before what would NASDAQ to see the working class who've been the solid supporters of the government that you visas a coal him. Now starting to an on the fringes starting to move over towards the opposition signed so losing support in the streets, and that will affect the militias will have a big impact. And obviously if any support drains away from the military as well, but, but you know, this matters not just this country but for the region, and I like, I say Venezuela is a country. The matters Ian panel joining us from the country, stay safe and thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Here's a shocking measles. Outbreak across multiple states this week, dozens of people have been affected. I talked about with ABC news chief national correspondent math Cup. He says low vaccination rates may be the blame. So we're joined by ABC's mat Kaplan from Clark county, Washington mount windy, health officials I start to notice that something was going on in Washington. State officials began to realize that something was going on on December thirty first young man who'd gone, the Slavic Christian academy in Vancouver Washington had turned up sick. And apparently this school, according to state records only has less than thirty percent vaccination rate. That means more than seventy percent of the students. There are not vaccinated and from there. The numbers started to just roll out. And one of the things that happened in officials began to notice it there were exposures all over town. So in major public spaces. We're talking about Portland trailblazers basketball team arena, the Portland airport, Costco. I keep. Health clinics hospitals, all these places had registered people who were carriers and infectious EPA time with the means those who had gone there and potentially exposed other people to the virus. What are the ages of the people that are infected are they are they mostly kids? The vast majority are children and most of those are children under ten they're the people who are predominantly getting sick. And that has been the case with the measles since ton immemorial. And it's one of the reasons that so many people died because children, especially younger ones are weaker immune systems have less resistance to all kinds of viruses. And why that's why in the old days. Kids used to die a lot before reaching the age of five or even to why does measles spread so quickly. We don't know why it spreads so quickly. We do know that it is spectacularly contagious. The public health officer in Vancouver Washington called it exquisitely contagious. We don't know why. It's more contagious than other viruses. We just know that. It is that means that it can actually linger in the air for two hours after an infected person has left the room meeting. Somebody could be in a room or in a basketball arena and be sick and those germs can linger in the air and still infect someone hours later, and so what's next will vaccinations now help and do we expect those who did not get vaccinated to do it? Now, the anti vaccine community if if there is such a thing is quite diverse of many of the people are highly educated. These are people who are professional. But for some reason, they believe that corporations who produced the vaccines along with the US government have to a certain degree colluded to hide the real facts as they call them that Saination regime, and that is that that seems a don't work that well and be a lot of people can be susceptible to autism from getting the vaccine is Sherry vaccinations, generally helped they are the answer. There is they are the reason that we don't. Polio anymore. Spying large the majority of Americans, and the majority of the people around the world have been invented enormously from vaccines, and that is what clinicians and public officers across the US are tried to tell their patients. You gotta take the vaccine, we don't really know. What's next held the visuals, tell us they are still concerned that this outbreak is in no way contained in back. They say it's just the tip of the expert because the measles incubates for seven to twenty one days. There could be hundreds and hundreds of people walking around spreading the virus. And not even knowing that they're sick. So they expect to hit by a day. Luge of additional measles cases in the coming weeks and even months ABC's, Matt gut meant joining us from Washington state covering the measles outbreak coming up, more and mccloskey's parents speak out. Star student pleaded for protection until it was too late on perspective after this when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. Get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast from ABC news. This perspective. Look at the week's top stories and the stories you may have missed I'm Sherry Preston. Coming up review and predictions of Super Bowl fifty three that I the parents of Lauren mcklusky, the UTA trax store who was shot and killed by her ex after reporting his harassment to campus police, dozens of times are speaking out thing, they believe the tragedy was absolutely preventable. For more on the story. We turn to ABC's anywho Bach was Lauren's death. Preventable. Yes. Absolutely. The grieving parents of Lauren mcklusky are opening up for the first time since their daughter was killed on the university of Utah campus by a man, she dated for just one month. She was so excited about having your career about, you know, having a family in the future. And we won't get to see any of that or experiencing it that in October the twenty one year old track star broke up with Melvin Roland after discovering he was a registered sex offender on parole who lied about his age and identity after the break-up the Thirty-seven-year-old began harassing her through Email and text mcklusky feeling threatened. I contacted university of Utah campus police on October twelfth Eric scary. How can I help you try? This is Loren I called a little a few days ago about. The situation. And I wanted to kind of give an update the college senior calling thorns on campus, and at the Salt Lake City police department over the course of ten days on worried because I've been working with the campus police at the U and last Saturday I reported, and I haven't gotten an update one thing. She did tell me is that she said she says it feels like I'm bothering them because she calls. She was calling so much and then and then I remember telling her it's their job to listen to you. You know, if you're complaining, they weren't listening. No, they weren't they weren't. They weren't taking her seriously then on the evening of October twenty second tragedy struck can you tell me can you walk me through what happened? I was on the phone with her as she was as she was coming home from class. And then all of a sudden, she yells. No, no, no. And then the line was still open. And and then and then Matt called nine one one -ducted while we're talking to her on telephone. So we heard her being assaulted at that moment. Police say Roland grabbed mcklusky pulled her into a car and shot her in later took his own life at their home in Washington state, Lawrence track medals, still hang on the wall. The mccloskey's now say the university of Utah failed their daughter they should have investigated. They would have very quickly found his parole status and one call and that would we wouldn't be sitting here shortly after her death, the university of Utah president releasing an independent review of the case and announcing actions to improve campus safety. The report does not offer any reason to believe that this tragedy could have been prevented the university of president said that there was nothing that could have been done to prevent Lauren's death. I just had a six stomach for days after that. It is statement ABC news the universe. City says they grieve Lawrence loss and that their report quote identified areas of deficiency in the university systems and processes and made thirty recommendations for ways to improve them, the university is acting immediately to correct the deficiencies if oats true. There was no way then why are all of these reforms being implemented? These changes it would be pointless. When asked about this directly, the university, again acknowledged serious mistakes were found and is now working to correct them this as the mcklusky start a new foundation in Lawrence honor hoping to improve campus safety and celebrate their daughter's life are you angry mostly sad. The sadness is so complete. I don't have room for for anger. But we went we do want change. The university of Utah says they are increasing training for officers and hiring a victim advocate who will work closely together with detectives in addition to promoting campus safety mccloskey's new foundation, also supports charitable work in areas that were very important to Lawrence athletics and animal welfare, and you can learn more at Lorne mcklusky dot org. But her mother told me at one point Lauren call the detective twenty two times, she did everything. Right. She just didn't get what you needed coming up a first ever in the NFL. We'll introduce you to one former player who's breaking barriers on perspective after this. Hey, I'm Dan Harris from ABC news, and I have a podcast, and you listen to it. It's called ten percent, happier. It's all about how to stay sane in our increasingly insane world, we talked to everybody from the Dalai Lama signs bulletin for human gene to rupaul. You have to explore this life. It's fun and interesting may even change your life. You can listen to it for free on apple podcasts or on your favorite podcast app. Welcome back to perspective. I'm Sherry Preston. Getting married is a big deal for anybody. But for former NFL player, Jeff roar. It was monumental. He's the first player in league history to marry a man ABC's. Juju Chang has more on the story. So. The groundbreaking love story that made headlines. I want to congratulate Jeff roar. Former Cowboys linebacker. I former Dallas Cowboys linebacker Jeff roar doing something. No other current or former NFL player had ever done all the things I've done in my life. This is the most courageous thing I've ever done as human being publicly coming out and marrying his boyfriend Joshua ranks, Detroit, you're walking into the rest of your life. Everybody was balling. It's not Jeff's first marriage. He was wed to the roar for seventeen years thought that he didn't love me, but it was for type of love, so his it's more genuine unreal. To love a man for Jeffrey. The former husband and wife, redefining what it means to be a family with Heather in their kids living on the same property with Jeff and Joshua. We are a living example of a modern family. I mean, we got two teenagers in Joshua. And I and my ex-wife living on the same property. Not in the house. Each other's lives forever. Because of our children Jeff says he was terrified about living openly as a gay, man. Don't wanna hurt the Cowboys. I didn't want to hurt the league. And I wanted to be respectful of them. They were kind to me for many years lending me where the silver and blue and be a cowboy why would being a gay man hurt the league. I don't know if it would hurt the league, but Josh our the first same sex marriage in in the NFL. It's a landmark that. I'm sure they knew was coming at some point this significance of setting that precedent wasn't lost on Joshua their people might project. Oh, wow. That's amazing. You know, dating a football player something. But immediately, I knew in my mind that that was gonna be resistance to our relationship and might make it more difficult to you them at trouble too. Yeah. It did Jeff was known for his fearlessness on the field during his rough and tumble years as a linebacker for the Cowboys even making it on the cover of Dallas Cowboys. We. Group football nasty barricade we had vowed equipment. We had no rules where the worst structure, and there was a lot of blood back out of Yale in one thousand nine hundred eighty two Jeff played for six seasons for perhaps the most famous team in the NFL America's team with the flashing cheerleaders and playboy culture, Hulu, muddy time to be dull act imagine there. Jeff says along the way he dated a lot of women all while ignoring his sexual orientation. What was your first inkling that you were different? Well, I mean, people are born gay. I mean, that's just the way it is. I always managed it. So I didn't I didn't practice it. So it wasn't something that I knew enough about to go ham gay. He played for the Cowboys in the eighties a time when homophobia was often the norm and coming out he says didn't feel like an option. Why was being a Dallas cowboy being a member of America's team in that era and being gay mutually exclusive? It was a different world. It was not okay to be gay, and you know aids was going around. So there was a whole thing going on. It was that was anti-gay. I don't think the NFL Woodham braced back then. So he lived a life. He thought was expected of him during those years. Did it ever you that he could be gay not at all it all came out when my son was very small. It wasn't easy as what you were saying wasn't easy later in life. We got divorced. And then at that point. It was like, okay. Maybe this is maybe this is the time. It was only a few years ago in his early fifties. The Jeff truly began facing his sexuality when Jeff and I met he had never been in a public space with a man he didn't have gay friends. He wasn't going to gay bars. He wasn't going to gay clubs. We met reaonably at a restaurant in West Hollywood charge was sitting close, and we started talking and two and a half years later here. We are. We're married there. Now immediate power couple. Jeff. Uses award winning commercials. Josh is an S petition to the stars friends with his clients on the real housewives of fairly hills. After a couple years of dating another chance at happily ever after. And that new modern family, Dr globe artichoke includes the now teenage kids, all my friends were just super supportive. Nobody was against anything. It's just twenty eighteen this is what was it like meeting? Josh kinda just like a I already knew Panama comment, like just I was happy that my dad could finally say it. Yeah. Why why did that make you happy because he could be who you always wanted to be since his wedding. Jeff says the response has been overwhelming of heard from a lot of my Dallas teammates heard from a lot of my yell. Teammates. You expected polite. Silence. Scare there's nightside crying myself sleep. I mean, it was horrible. And for the very few fans who've given him a hard time Jeff has sympathy for them to for me, those that people want to sit down with and say, hey, how you doing? We could hug it out. I think the people that are not okay with people being gay. Don't know gay people. Jeff says he's heard from a lot of people still living in the shadows, including other athletes. They don't wanna tell people that are saying. You know, my lesson is that it's okay. It's not easy. But once you do it. You're you're going to be a lot happier. You'll see a gay player in the NFL someday. He probably seen them play right now. But we don't know it showed me his helmet. The only football relic. He has left a fire burned everything else. So this is a Dallas cowboy omit the only get him if you break them, and I broke out when I broke a couple of others real NFL damage, the most aching loss. His Yale helmet when he invited us to an Ivy football gala we arranged a little surprise helps perpetuate some of those thought meeting too. Me go. Thank all. Wow. A new memento for new beginning. Coming up the Rams and the patriots face off. The all the tapping leading up to Super Bowl fifty three on perspective after this have a dream. But don't know where to begin. I didn't want him be limited looking for wisdom for women who've already been there, you will constantly be given the opportunity to lose yourself. Welcome to ABC's. No limits. I'm your host, Rebecca Jarvis. And each week. We're talking to the game changing women about success lessons learned along the way. And of course, the worst advice, I really thought about this worst advice ever you can hear new episodes of no limits every week on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. This is perspective. From ABC news. I'm Sherry Preston. It's a rematch of Tom Brady's very first Super Bowl Brady and the New England Patriots face off against the Los Angeles Rams who were led by young quarterback Jared Goff. Love is only twenty four years old the same age as Tom Brady was when he won his first Super Bowl against the then Saint Louis Rams ABC's Pete combs has been at Mercedes Benz stadium in Atlanta all week. I got to talk to him about the biggest story lines of the beginning. Let's talk about what's going on in Atlanta outside of the actual football game. Pete combs, you work in live in Atlanta. This is a big deal going on there really is a big deal. One of the most surprising things about this bowl is the compact nature of the campus. If you will where everything is going on within about five blocks you've got the Super Bowl venue itself proceed. He's been stadium. You've got Centennial Olympic Park which was built for the Olympics back in the nineties. That's where a lot of the events. Taking place now the Super Bowl experience, you know, kind of the theme park stuff that goes around the Super Bowl lots of restaurants. Lots of stuff going on at the world congress center and to the state farm arena and all of that is pretty much within walking distance. So that's what Atlanta wanted to create was this experience where you could park the car somewhere else and walk around, and that's been a pretty much what they've done to to to great success. I understand there's a there's a lot of rivalry between coke and Pepsi this year. Coke, of course, is is based there in Atlanta wha-what's, Pepsi doing the chronic get in get it on the action. We will coke really is a big big deal here. You are you're right. They've got their world headquarters here there is a museum of Coca Cola here. It's one of the biggest attractions in Atlanta for tourists who come and there are a lot of things to do for tourist. But in front of that museum of coke is a picture of John Pemberton, who's the founder of the company and two bronze statue and he's standing at attention. And he's holding out a Cup of Coca Cola as if here my friends. Take this drink what Pepsi comes in with their founder up a statue very much, the same kind of life size statue of their founder, and he's also holding out a Cup of Pepsi. And it says here my friends drink, and they put them head to head together. And took a picture and said, let's call a truce in the cola wars will coke said. Sure have a coke and smile in. Pepsi said. That's not quite what we were looking for the truce is off. Oh, man. So you've got a lot of bets going on in my home state of New Jersey people are able to bet you'll have legally for the first time by app a but but they're not just betting on the game itself. I mean, there's some crazy prophets out their products. These are things about performance outside of the actual score of the game. And I thought some of the more interesting bets one was will Los Angeles kick, a touchback in the very first time that they kick off because apparently that's a big deal at Mercedes Benz stadium. A lot of a lot of people the kick. There's no win there. So nothing to hold the ball back. And that's a big problem. But but the one that I love the most is Wilk Gladys Knight seeing the national anthem and less than one minute and forty eight seconds. And the the odds are that. She will not I don't see any how. Anyway that there. She's going to do that the last time she saying, it, it was I wanna say it was like about ninety seconds something like that. So she was close movie close go could happen. But. I don't know. Let's see this is a big moment for everybody. And you know, that brings up another issue the controversy over the halftime act. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean that's been very big deal, and it and it all ties in took to Colin Kaepernick it does. And really this is being driven by the end of Lacey pe- of Georgia, and Gerald Griggs is a vice president there. I've known him for a while. And this has been something that he has been talking about for years that is his allegations and others of police brutality against young unarmed. Black men, and and black men in general, Colin Kaepernick, as you know, the former San Francisco forty Niners quarterback started this practice of taking a knee during the national anthem to protest police brutality, his 'cause became Gerald Griggs causing the end of lacy peas caused and when Colin Kaepernick couldn't get a job here anywhere, the NFL he alleged that he was being blackballed. And then the Lacey pe- took up. Call and call for a boycott of musical acts during the Super Bowl halftime, and the kind of worked there several acts said that they wouldn't be per performing during the Super Bowl, but maroon five agreed to appear in his actually the headline act. They were supposed to have a news conference as kind of a tradition every Thursday before the Super Bowl halftime at gets up there and talks to the media. Maroon five did not and the NFL said that was maroon five's decision. Maroon five frontman, Adam LeVine, says no, no, no, the NFL told us not to talk about this apparently all in an effort to avoid controversy over their decision to appear. Well, listen, Pete. And you have a great time and a good game and stay safe and know that there's a lot of security there. And I'm so glad that it's in your hometown. Hey thick so much from ABC news. This has been perspective. If you want to listen to any of our past shows, you can subscribe to the prospective podcast, give us a review tell us. What you think it really does help? You can find it on apple podcast Spotify, Stitcher, wherever you listen to your podcast. You can also plan. This and other ABC news shows at it. You see news podcasts dot com. Perspective is produced by Eric Malo? 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