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"cave national monument" Discussed on Cold
"Before looking at the plausibility of the nutty. Putty cave idea. We have to determine if josh was even aware of the cave. I can tell you with one hundred percents certainty that the answer is yes. Here's why while sifting through hundreds of josh powell's digital files. I came across a scanned copy of postcard. The front showed a picture of the heart of tim. Goose a rock feature inside. Utah's timken august cave national monument. The postcard had never been mailed. I could see the address lines on the back. we're blank. There was no stamp or postmark. What made this postcard curious. Were two lines scribbled on the back in josh's handwriting. They read nutty putty caves in eureka south of spanish fork hole in the ground with maize. Now i don't know when josh wrote those words or why. The postcard wasn't but it proved he was at the very least aware of nutty putty in addition west valley police located a few small thumbnail images on josh powell's laptop computer. The one they seized with a search warrant the day after susan's disappearance one showed the opening of nutty putty. A time stamp showed it had been accessed on december fourth three days before susan's disappearance. Another showed a man named john edward jones who had died in ninety putty cave the night before thanksgiving the time stamp for that photo showed it was accessed at five twenty five pm on december. Sixth about the same time josh was looking at.
"cave national monument" Discussed on The Amateur Traveler Podcast
"I was like a week away from visiting where they actually have pyrotechnics and stuff where they light up. Marches and whatnot on the The statue itself. So I think that was in September. I thank you obviously. WanNa check the website. They have a light show. A laser light show where they actually eliminate the full body and the Horse's head so what it will look like on the actual sculpture the way it is today so if you're there at night there is something to see but yeah. I don't think it's ever going to be a national park service site. They've created a an institute a Summer Institute for Native Americans to come and learn and they can apprentice and work at the site. So there's a lot of things going on beyond the sculpture itself. There's a museum there They will usually have need if American dancing and other cultural events going on on most days. Oh and September sixth. That'll be the date for twenty twenty When we're recording this and it's the night where they kind of light up sculpture and we should prepare you that that one's going to be a little more expensive than visiting Mount Rushmore. Yes I'm trying to think. Did Mount Rushmore. Even cost anything beyond parking. You had to pay for parking. Yeah was ten dollars for parking or something like that and you can't use your national park pass for the parking correct and I think that's why they do it that way you can enter for free quote unquote but you end up paying for parking. The crazy horse is. I don't know for whatever reason we have to. Well I suppose three includes Stone Mountain in Georgia but there's only a couple massive mountainside sculptures in the United States very few in the world and the to just happen to be a couple of miles from each other so we got two more left and they're very similar before we get to those actually. There's a minor stadium. If there's a reason why those two are so close to each other is. The whole Black Hills was sacred site for the native Americans who live there and there was a a great intention to keep out settlers and there were trees that would keep settlers out of the region. And so win. Mount Rushmore was carved. There was some backlash from the native American community. That at least if you're going to carve something in these sacred mountains which you shouldn't do it should be a native American. I think that's what started the project. Yeah there's been some controversy about the crazy horse sculpture but yeah it. It originally was a native American idea. And they're the ones that started and you can hear the story of it and once you're there they have a theater that is you expected visitor center. Shows that kind of stuff right so the next two sites are both caves and one is wind cave national park and the other is jewel cave national monument? Now there are geologists who believe that they are all part of one cave system they have yet to prove it but they keep finding new corridors in new caves and they're close enough together where they think that at some point in some small way hook up but that hasn't been proven yet so start with wind cave when cave is actually one of the oldest national parks in the US. That yet is a lot of people. Don't realize that Lake Mary. It was discovered by accident That's where the name comes from. There were some ranchers who found this very windy noisy whole coming out of the ground and they went and explored it with some Robeson and ladders and candles and it kept going and going and eventually became a tourist attraction and then eventually it became a national monument and National Park. And the thing that it's probably best known for and so there's different cave sites in the national park system. There's there's wind and jewel cave. There's obviously mammoth cave. In Kentucky Carlsbad Cavern Oregon Caves in Oregon and Grace National Park also has a significant cave system as well on the Lehman Caves. The caves are very different. It's easy to say. They're like limestone eroded away which is true. Mammoth Cave for example really does not have a lot of very interesting stalactites and stalagmites features inside different. It's pretty bare and there's not a lot to. It's an enormous cave system. I think it's it's well the debates about that what you call it because you can do it by volume yes it by a singular chamber which I think the largest now is in Vietnam right but it. It's up there. It's a big one. There's a thing called a box work lattice. I believe that's the name of it inside wind cave and it's something that as far as I know is not really found anywhere else and basically they look like the square mail slots like you snail into in a building. Except they're on the roof and a lot of the early visitors to the park would chip off parts of the stuff and so there it. It's very delicate. There's not a lot there but that is really kind of the unique feature of the cave system. There's different tours. You can take depending on the time of day the length of the tour. How far can you go? How difficult and strenuous. It is for the most part. There's a common tour that you can of take one of my trips there. I actually hired. I had to pay goes one hundred dollars a media fee so I could bring in a tripod because you cannot bring a tripod into wind cave in in for good reason. I don't think they want people sitting up tripods and people tripping over them so I was basically by myself for an hour with arranger which was kind of a neat experience. I should add the exception of that. Carlsbad cavern in Mexico. You can bring tripods my favorite gave in the point system. The hidden part of wind cave that does not get as much. Attention is the surface right. And there's a part of me that thinks they should really rename this park to black hills national park because it would give the surface a bit more attention. You Have Bison you have that rolling hilly prairie plus the forest area it's a real unique ecosystem and it also abuts custer state park which has a very large bison herd they'll do bison roundups with. It's actually really need. If you're able to catch that and I think customer is actually one of the better state parks in the United States. I would go as far as you said that. Badlands was your favorite National Park in the state and I and I agreed with that I would say custer state park is my favorite park the state. There's a good argument for that. I think it would be great if they were to merge custer and wind cave into one park they do border each other and it's easy to dry from from one to the other and create one very large park in like I said rename at Black Hills National Park. I think it would make for a really great park and even then I think the the primary draw wouldn't be the cave gigs very cool but there. There's so much more on the surface so don't just go to the visitor's center get your stamp. Do a cave tour take some time. Drive around. There is definitely prayed colony. It Wind Cave National Park. Absolutely you. Yeah we did. We did the hike on the Cold Brook Canyon trail and walked through Apprai- Colony. And then we also did the hike up to the forest fire lookout station up in the northern part of the park. And I don't remember the name of that. Trail is but both those great hike Spaghetti. I one we definitely hike right through productivity. I know there's one small dirt road that's off the main road that goes through the park where you can pullover and I. I spent the better part of our just photographing prairie dogs. Which is one of my favorite things to do especially with a really good lens as with all caves in the park system they are going to be concerned about White Nose Syndrome right which I think is a fungus that can kill bats. So if you've been in any other caves or anything like that. Make sure to not wear the clothes that were in that cave. They'll have some stuff for to sanitize the bottom of your shoes before you go in. Just be aware of that and other than that. It's a I think one of the highlights of the Black Hills I would. It's one of those things where when you're in Paris the Eiffel Tower when you're in the black hills you go to mount rushmore. But that doesn't mean it's the best thing there I really think wind cave national park along with custer State Park really is the highlight of the Black Hills will and you mentioned how close wind cave jewel cave are to to each other for thirty one miles apart so you're really wanted to visit them on the same day but you are going to have that issue of the the. The white knows that center on. I don't remember the name would that you will have some problems if you do. Try and visit them in the same day. You know. I want to go to the website and see how they deal with that. It may just be wearing a different pair of shoes. Yeah I think what else in I should also add. There is one massive point of failure for.
"cave national monument" Discussed on Travel with Rick Steves
"Find out. What's the best time to go seasonally for the weather to take the hiking trails in the area up there and the Burner Open? Land does a couple of different ones. That are really good. I particularly like June end of May June. Because that's when the flowers are blooming If you go in the fall which is also nice September. The leave started change and the hillside is is on fire with color. I like the summer anytime in the summer for just the reliable weather in the long days and the warmth August is a very good in fact. One of my favorite Christmas is ever was gaveled grass in the winter. It is gorgeous in the winter but the hiking is limited. No there's no then and I went up with my favorite hotelier Walter where you worked and we went up to Marin and and we sled it down on the trail. I did the same thing with Walter. It's beautiful isn't it and beat me down and there's a classic Old Hotel Your He. He was like a little kid when he sat on his sled. Just that here's a Swiss boy at heart forever. He must've been eighty years old when we did this. Get Lean. Thanks for your call. Thanks this is travel with Rick Steves. We've been talking with John. Kamara about the heights. And the Culture Switzerland's Berner Oberland Don. I've always been charmed by the when the cows come down from the high metal. This is not something that's just in the story books. This actually happens. I was just recently there and after a long hike I heard this tinkle tinkle. Choi coming down the mountain. Well yeah talks about how that happens. What's the deal? Well throughout the year that animals are taken up to higher pastures. So that they can be set. Free and munch on the meadows and as the weather starts to get colder. They bring the cows down a little bit a little bit and eventually have to bring back to the to the local town to injure their barnes for for the winter and they've got their bells they got their bells on and it really. The bigger. The bell is the more prestigious. That cow is they're all pedigree and not only do they have bells to have flowers on their heads and the the farmers that are bringing the cows. Downer also dressed in traditional clothing twentieth. Twenty-first is lake past centuries alive. Yep and we can experience it done Kamara. Thanks so much and take some time. I get the pleasure. If there was a contest for most colorful nation on earth the Philippines might be a good bit. We'll explore the nation of seven thousand islands in just a bit but first when the bidding sagged on an oil and gas lease sale for drilling on federal land. Utah the auctioneer joked. Come on man. This is a lotta scenery going to waste well. Writer and environmental activist. Terry Tempest Williams was in the room. She explains why she and her husband bid on those unsold parcels and why they created tempest exploration LLC as the first energy company devoted to keeping fossil in the ground that Utah Terry Tempest Williams. That's next on travel. With Rick Steves hiking in the Red Rock wilds of the Utah Desert. It might soon notice and unusual sound listen closely and you may hear mining oil drilling on what used to be federally protected land or maybe it's just the sound of Teddy Roosevelt spinning in his grave. Ever since President Roosevelt signed the Antiquities Act nineteen o six to create national monuments that protect natural and cultural heritage sites across America. There's been pushback from some industrial interests. For the last few years Terry Tempest Williams has been writing columns in the New York Times and elsewhere about the battle going on in her native. Utah on one hand are her neighbors. Who Support the trump administration's removing protections on many federal lands especially at bears ears. National Monument on the other hand are those who prefer the type of tourism a quiet wilderness attracts and note the warning from tribal leaders that thousands of their ancestors. Archaeological sites are at risk of now being open for business. Utah's rich with more than a dozen parks and monuments run by the National Park Service and the Bureau of land management when Terry found there. Were no takers for oil and gas leases. That was offering near her home. She and her husband got an idea. She joins us now to tell us about it into explain why. Utah remained such a special place for her. Terry thanks for being with us again. Thank you record is love our conversations Terry Utah you happen to live in a state that has what five national parks and seven National Monuments. And you grew up there. What does Utah Mean to you? Utah is bedrock. It's family. It's where the bones of my ancestors dwell six generations. I come from a a Mormon family. my roots for an American Westerner Who is white are are deep and my devotion is is very real. Terry wrote that. You had a seminal moment as a child. Pornography Cave National Monument. What happened I loved Him Pinocchio? It's a mountain in the shape of a woman and we are told from the time we have a memory that this is where the spirit of the maiden of Tim. Focus lives and every time you drive by from Provo Utah to Salt Lake. You see her as a child. I could swear that I saw her breathe. This is A story told by people and I remember a ute grandmother who I knew as a child told me that inside that mountain was the beating heart of the maiden so when I was eight years old our Church group which is Mormon. I decided that upon our baptism into the church. We would hike up to mount timber notice and enter this cave. It's about a mile and a half straight up. We were there. I remember these iron green doors. They open there was a park ranger. We entered inside the mouth of the cave. The temperature dropped. It was humid here. Were these stalactites. Stalagmites registered his teeth. We started walking on this raised path. So that you weren't stepping on the stalagmites and there we walked through this magical these magical forms called father. Times jewel box the valley of sleep but I could hardly concentrate all I could think of is. Where is the beating heart of the maiden of the mountain in there? It was large wet huge. I wondered if you attached it. Would it register as cold or Hot? I was completely mesmerized so much so that I failed to continue walking with the rest of my group. Suddenly the lights went off. The door slammed and I was left in the heart of the mountain with the darkness. I have never known. I can't tell you when fear turned to wonder. But what I can tell you is that I felt that beating heart even as my own. I don't know how long I was there but suddenly I heard the door opened the light. Go on and there was my primary team saying. Oh you're saved but I wanted to say you didn't save me. The mountain did and I think for the rest of my life. I've been trying to find that same experience of being held that closely to that kind of power and dare I say love. You know every time I go into a national park. I meet the miraculous. But if I'm honest I think I'm still searching for that sense of And Majesty wonder and fear that I felt in those moments of of being inside that mountain next to that heart. You mentioned the tribe. Is that where Utah comes from? It's the indigenous people that live there. I UTA yes. Yes because that experience you had. It's seems like it's almost trying to duplicate inexperience Indian. Kids might have had as they came of age and gained an appreciation of nature. You know I don't know My Friend Regina Lopez White Skunk who viewed? I have so much respect for her sense of circles and cycles in the land her deep sense of politics and protection on. She was one of the members of the bears. Ears intertribal commission who has fought so diligently to protect these lands that are under siege By this current administration. And so you know I think native people they stay. And that's what I want to model is. How do we stay and be loyal to a place have a fidelity place? Yeah if closeness to the land is is a good thing. They have an advantage built in that we can be. I think aspire to they also know what it means to have it removed and I think we are just now beginning to touch on what native people have felt all along as we watch our public lands in a move to be privatized to be sold to the highest bidder. Terry Tempest Williams is our guest on. Travel Rick Steves. She writes about the landscape of her native Utah and her relationship. With twelve of America's national parks in her book called the hour of land. It's now out in paperback. Terry's also writer in residence at the Harvard Divinity School. And she's been a visiting professor in environmental studies at Dartmouth College Terry President. Obama set aside one point three million acres for. Utah's bears ears National Monument back in two thousand sixteen. The trump administration reduced ears by eighty five percent. This is now being challenged in the courts. What are your thoughts on this when you look at laws like the nineteen o? Six antiquities at that protects these wild lands and cultural spaces. I think it it has helped define who we are as Americans that was established with Theodore Roosevelt and I have faith in the open space of democracy and the will of the people but right now I would be lying to you. If I didn't say that I am concerned and and I am standing with native people indigenous people and the tribes that we are closest to Utah. Which would be the Navajo the Hopi the Zuni and other tribes within the Colorado plateau or standing on the side of protecting bears. Ears National Monument. Terry Okay you're talking about the value. The the intangible value really of of a National Monument Lake bears ears. Now what if I just think whether it's a real need energy independence jobs the economy? How can you put a price on the value of over a million acres when when I really think it can help us have a stronger economy and become energy independent? What's so important about bears ears other than what we.
"cave national monument" Discussed on Parklandia
"Hi I'm Matt and Brad this Park Land area and today we're talking about Joe Cave National Monument in South Dakota Ecology and we're introducing thing our ecological concept of disease because within cave systems There's definitely a lot of different particulars but diseases is definitely important to our ecosystem in multiple choice right and it's a little more complex a lot more complex than one might assume about disease so populations within an ecosystem are always fluctuating. And one thing that can really affect the system is disease even just one species easies ecologists have only recently begun to realize that disease is actually an integral part of an ecosystem. In fact there's all entire field of disease visa college like the study of diseases and that's pretty hot right now pretty hot. Yeah but just because diseases natural. That doesn't mean they're influenced doesn't occasionally the only way to spectacular die-offs either and that the effects of disease in an ecosystem isn't hard to watch. Yeah take for instance white nose syndrome which is killed millions of bats? North America since it was first identified in two thousand six White Nose Syndrome is actually a fungus that grows in cool damp in places like caves. Yeah and it impacts bats while they're hibernating leaving a white fuzz and their faces and it changes the bats behavior waking them up from hibernation and sometimes making them do weird stuff lay file tied the cave and the day time in the middle of winter which is not what they should be doing which it kills the bats by making it difficult to hibernate which burns through a lot of fat reserves that keep them alive until the summer right and this results in the claps of entire are colonies of bats which are really important members of cave communities because their Guano is the main source of food for species that only live in caves await nose syndrome was first identified in in caves around New York The fungus has been steadily moving across the US There was this terror to have infected jewel cave in about two thousand eighteen In the long legged bats that live there right so the National Park Service is working to reduce the risk of infection in bats. Here and the National Park Park Service has been dealing with white knows German other caves systems that we've talked about like mammoth cave in Carlsbad caverns by making sure. Visitors are educated. About what white eight no syndrome which includes letting them know that they should stay out of caves and other habitats like minds and alert federal or State Wildlife Agency. If you see the about flying around in daylight or when it's cold outside the park service is also asking visitors to decontaminate. They're caving hiking gear before entering any gave. Yeah Yeah keep everything sanitizer. Not like do you know bringing diseases into unaffected caves or anything like that and although white nose syndrome and other diseases like the kitchen Richard Fungus. That's decimating frog and salamander populations all over the world. It's important to remember that disease is a normal important aspect of ecosystems. Yeah in in the case of white nose syndrome. Human involvement in caves has probably sped up the spread of it but some researchers even think it's on the rise by Ben brought up by human driven climate change but changing ecosystems is inevitable So it's good to acknowledge that disease is an important driver of of changing itself. Yeah so when like visiting caves you know you really want to make sure that you are helping protect the bats by cleaning your equipment and your shoes and your your gear ear Because we don't want them to disappear. Go Away no definitely and if you've worn shoes in other cave on another tower somewhere the mindful of that and don't wear those shoes into jewel cave 'cause better safe than sorry and keep the bat safe my favorite. But I think it's the perfect time to wrap things up with Jewel Cave National Monument Let's share what our favorite favorite part of this national monument is. I think for me it was mostly about learning some of the most incredible facts of ever learned at our National Park site and that includes leads the fact that you'll gave a briefing cave. I had never heard that term. Not only was it fascinating to learn about but also felt felt great physically that how big NBA breathing. And then also the Joe Cave like dancing club thing I think is absurd and wonderful and and I love Peter Really missing out right a local like restaurant business like jewel cave dance. It's a club like do it get it. Let's have fun with it. I really admire the audacity of the of like the cave discovers you wanted on into create this dance club in a cave. It's outrageous and beautiful. Just very creative is it didn't work out marketing in. It's finest. Yeah yeah true. So this is just filled with that and you learn about on the tour and visitor centre and I walked away feeling so informed and delighted and it was really fun so I would say that type of stuff was my favorite part about jewel cave and there's definitely a couple the things they need to bring. Yeah for sure. So if we're going to jewel cave and you're presumably doing your cave tar because you need to there you know you got to do about. What are you? Bring it every cave tour or any every cave it's pretty much across the years layers yes Because like we said it's about forty degrees. It's chilly it might. It might feel good if you're going there in the summer but still like bring some light layers at least you to be comfortable in there because you do spend a good amount of time on the Cape obtain the shortest cave tours are like an hour and a half. So you're going to want to make sure that you're you're not freezing and I swear we're gonNA take this again is at least one liter of water bring water water brain. I mean obviously any physical activity but again it kind of you're doing the going up and down stairs you're squeezing the passes rates. It's more exhausting than you might think. Initially so be prepared for that also the proper footware or boots with good firm grip because breath. The surfaces are very uneven. The least and you don't want to be slipping and sliding and like crashing into walls or bang your head on the ceiling or anything like that. So the definitely not whatever ever you can do to come in. Physically prepared and comfortable is is really pivotal here. Now between the talk of jewel the singer Snow Way Whiskey and shimmering crystals I'd say this episode has been a huge success yes absolutely I mean it's fitting because jewel cave national monument is a gem and the National Park Service. 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"cave national monument" Discussed on Parklandia
"Most of the cavers have Developed this appreciation for the journey itself. So they go exploring to find all that unknown stuff out there that we know must be there because of the wind but we and that that's the reason we go and we and sometimes we wish we didn't have to make the long journey. But I think most of us have come to grips with the journey. Half the fun. Oh Yeah The other thing is In Jul- cave we don't have streams rivers that could carry away human waist or that could regenerate it Impacts after you know because of flooding or something like that. Yeah so we have to carry out all of our our wastes all of our garbage all of our human ways and That that's Kinda hard to you so you Like when you pee pee into a bottle and then you gotta carry out all those bottles and they weigh about two pounds per courts and If you've got a lot of courts that you that you have to haul that's a lot of A lot of extra weight that really would rather not have to be super important because of the ecosystems. You don't want to change that. Yeah if there was a stream there then at least at least for for that would be minor you get diluted. Animals animals do that outdoors. It's no big deal But we don't have that and so we can't just stash These things away someplace replacing. Hope it'll go away because they never will That is absolutely fascinating. I mean just never been truly caving. Urban Jan seemed like they've made a huge impact on your life and we talked about them earlier in the episode and some of their education but the beauty of it is how it gets passed down from generation to generation because the yes ran into contrary surely the What they did the caves in real pragmatic terms is just a hole in the ground and and it can be dangerous? If you're not prepared I'm not trying to say there's no risk at all but the attitude that they passed down as far Chris Caring for the cave as far as respecting it. Having Fun while you're in there A really kind of lighthearted a satisfying spin Dan They pass that attitude down to me and to the younger the younger folks now and That our attitude toward the cave really doesn't make the difference and We owe that Hartmann Jan Yeah. That's really cool. Because I know just personally and from talking with people all caves can potentially have the stigma of being terrifying claustrophobic places. And it's really inspiring to see that stigma stigma be broken down a little bit and right applied. I I think it makes it safer You can't you always have to beware at this is a potentially dangerous place. It all it almost all hinges on you if you have the right attitude. If you're in good caving shape if you're prepared pared the way you should be if you're working together as a team then it's the you know one of the questions you have is. What do I really want people to know? No and it's that it doesn't have to be the dangerous of scary place at all. Yeah and that's great that like I think that motivates and further inspires us and and does likewise for listeners and people who are potentially considering visiting caves whether it's for the first time or return trips or or anything I love that mindset sat. It's really reset. Yeah how does one specifically get into caving nowadays The best way is to go caving saving with a friend who already does that And then the next thing is the national spelling logical society. He is probably the the main caving organization in this country and they have local chapters. Not you know not in every town but wherever ever cavers have gotten organized and become part of the NSS Then then they've they've established clubs that you you can go to the meetings and see slide shows and get to know people and go on planned trip starting from easy ones and and if you really really like it graduating onto very difficult caving trips like what did what did you were you to jewel cave and Like what do you find personally fascinating about jewel case specifically when you first started. When I first started I I started as a result of sitting sitting in on a slide presentation given by herb and Jan.? They're very mild mannered unassuming people. Herb passed away several years ago. John is still alive in her mid nineties And they had a way of making this idea of explorer expert exploring exploring a cave Making it fun and friendly rather than daring and dangerous and A lot of people do Kinda the view it and treat it as daring and dangerous for them and for me. It was fun and I think a lot of it was just that fun that Censu- fund that you could Be Involved in the sense of the unexpected of not knowing. What's around the next corner and wondering how far it goes in and even why? Why just stop here? You have a nice big passage and it just stops so you want it to go. You want it to go on forever when I Started caving. I really didn't know what I WANNA do with my life. I was in school. Cool as a key to get a mass attempt to get their bachelor's in chemical engineering but I wasn't ready for the world and as I interviewed with the companies. It was obvious to them. I'm and I wasn't ready either But I had gotten involved in this caving thing. I really wasn't sure what I wanted to do. With my life The caving part really brought me in that Gave me experience and expertise that led to me to be a tour guide. Ah Jewel Cave. And then as time went on The parks created a cave management position and I applied for and got at that that job as the case specialist And then as time went on I went back to school and I got a master's in geological engineering being with kind of an emphasis on hydrology and that opened doors for me to be more involved with the kinds of projects that are going on here going going on here and and leading some of those projects to where a small park. We have a small staff so we all have to wear many hats and and so as the years went by ended up expanding my role Or my role became expanded to dealing with like okay. I mentioned earlier exotic plant management consulting on a highway project that was going through the park doing Handling the research whether it's I don't do all the research but still guiding the research and trying to bring in the the studies for Like for instance five years ago. The the cavers discovered begins discovering lakes. Where the cave Intercepts the water table. And that's giving me an opportunity to be a CO author with the US GS and so I was a young kid who didn't know what he wanted to do. And now I I've been able to do all this wide range of stuff Even working with our museum collection and even a little bit of trouble consultation which you If you knew me say that doesn't sound like Mike at all But has really expanded my horizons and I'm able to do so many more things than I ever even dreamed of. Because because this caving thing kind of Brought me into brought me into a place that ultimately led to All these other things and you know I think my heart is still with the cave but I enjoy what I'm doing all these aspects speechless like you're it was very inspiring really cool to hear. I just love that. There's that much passion in people who are protecting preserving discovering our national parks and so we're especially excited to speak with you today Mike wiles. Thank you so much.
"cave national monument" Discussed on Parklandia
"Hi Matt and I'm Brad. This is Park Land Area and today we're talking about Joe Cave National Monument in South Dakota. We are excited to have our first park ranger on today. And that is Mike wiles. Joel Caves Chief of of resource management. Mike spoke to us over the phone From the office NGO Cave National Monument so your title is chief of Resource Management demand. Could you explain to us what that means. I oversee all the resource management both cultural and natural Including our museum collection and Whether and that includes things That are on the surface down in the cave whether it's Veg Management you know exotic plant management or cave exploration or scientific research while kind of the the whole gamut of things right. Wow I mean it's only the second longest Longest cave in America. So that's not a big big job at all right the longest in the world. Yes it's truly fascinating that's why we loved Coming to Cave National Monument this year sure So when we were talking Matinee we were just like this is such an amazing opportunity to talk with like a a real life park ground China where we are you're like are rockstars and And really because just what you know this environment needs is is just more people to protect it So we WANNA be better allies to that and one thing what we've done is we've heard that you've toured a quite the caves yourself like how far the caves have you explored and what have you learned about the place through your exploration. Oh Boy Well first of all we we've had as a cave not not in the pleural okay Although it's a very big cave system we've got Two hundred eight miles right now now and Back in fifty nine. We only had about two miles. So all of this has happened in the last several decades it's it's gone from being a very small cave that People some people thought should be closed because it didn't really live up to park service standards to being a very well known world-class gave so I got involved in it back around. Nineteen in seventy nine. I believe possibly the year before For a couple of trips and gradually I became interested in it. contacted herb and Jan conn explorers at the time and they invited me in to accompany them and I became the I kind of became the person that they were looking for to take over. And they will my mentors for a couple of years and So I followed in their footsteps with day day trips that lasted. Oh Ten to twelve hours and as we the Continued exploring a we got farther and farther out and it turned into fourteen and sixteen and eighteen our trips the distance and to the far end of the cave for me at that time if he were to go straight to the end of the caves was about ten hours Before that before that we we never went all the way out before we established a camp that was only like a seven or eight hours in And then like the next morning we would go out and Another three hours to get to the end of the cave. The people that are exploring now a whole younger generation are kind of going off in the opposite end of the cave. And I think it's taking close to To if they were to go a to the very end it's over twelve hours But they've got a camps along the way so that they can Stage their efforts the the whole thing is underneath four square miles so it it just kind of winds around its amazed in three dimensions. And so the sum of all those different sections of passages at all those levels totals to be two hundred eight miles. Uh now give you a little bit of an idea of the framework that we're weighing in Lots of mileage But it's all underneath a a fairly small area And I think over the years when we average our our rate of progress in the cave. You've I mean for actual travel where it's usually averages out to be about a mile an hour. Well Well I. I had no idea about that. That does all within like four square miles jewel cave as barometric wind and that means that it responds to pressure changes outside right yes. The pressure drops one percent about one percent of the total volume of cave including the part. That hasn't been discovered will blow out wrote so you can measure what the one percent is. And you can protect protect you can predict the volume that e in including the part that hasn't been discovered and based on these estimates which are much more involved in what I just described We've only discovered three percent of the cave. Our so far most of it is still out there to be discovered. I think that's one of the one of the factors that really ignites imagination We none of us will ever get out to the end of the cave because it's so much bigger than than we can do in a generation's time and and right now we're on a third generation of exploration and you've only been doing this for forty years out of man. I actively exploring exploring for thirty of those forty years not not the last ten and And this younger younger crew has been doing most of the work in the last ten years. Well that's incredible. Yeah so I I was just wondering what are some of the biggest struggles or challenges of caving. When you're that deep into the earth like that well I think it's the sure a duration of travel to get out to the end even mammoth cave Have so many entrances that it's only like three or four hours from any given entrance to to get to the end of the cave there and That puts a different perspective on things. I'll say at least for me and I think for most of the others that as we become familiar with the cave we learn all the learn how to maneuver through all the little climbs news and the crawls and the twist and the turns a lot of unique moves that you've got to learn and once you've learned it well it becomes almost almost automatic and it's it's so much fun to just have that self confidence did know how to step across this rock and then slide over to this wall and then clamber up into A whole on a ledge through that And I think.
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"That's awesome and it was great. It was a lot of fun and I mean I didn't do well. I did worse than I thought. In spite of that it was great Kendall one and he like never plays mini golf so yeah and this are revived. That we stayed at that was only for like a day right. It was a couple couple of nights. I think we didn't spend much time there because obviously we're off doing stuff during the day. Yeah it was two nights because we win there be went mini golfing in that kind of stuff but then we went to like Mount Rushmore crazy horse and then came back to that. Oh yeah so. We got to do a lot in rapid city so I remember the hotel Alex Johnson like rooftop bar. Yes that's my favorite so that hotel is just great. It's historic it's the most historic hotel in town. It's also huge. It's like one of the one of the taller the tallest building in rapid city. So it stands out. has this big conic like Alex. Alex Jones and sign on top of it hard to us and they have really good drinks up there too at the at the bar. And there's a substantial substantial indoor section and then also to different patio Dax there's one mic on the second like even above the main bar so it was beautiful so we sent out on the Patio we've got and they have like little fire pits if it gets chilly but we are perfect. It was perfect late afternoon early evening. But was that cocktail that you got so my favorite thing to get there. Which had a few times to this? Point is the old Manhattan. And it's called that because it's across thirteen in Manhattan in an old fashioned Lovin. So elements of both of my favorite drinks brings with like bourbon and blood orange core vermouth bidders and then cinnamon syrup which really makes it. Yeah just like a perfect little spot to chill for a couple of minutes and we love and we're in new cities to just grab like a cocktail and a snack and bouncing around jump around and we got snacks there but By the way yeah. This hotels allegedly haunted Ted. Who I don't think I told you that were there because they didn't want to frighten you? Oh but You would just care self. Yeah I would probably just scare myself but when I so I stayed suspension night here like in two thousand sixteen by myself and that's when I learned about it and I was I learned about it like the NATO's checking in and I'm like wow. I wish you wouldn't have told me that. And I'm not going to be able to sleep. But I think there's one specific flora that's supposedly haunted floor and there's been like hotel staff that have like I heard things that late at night and like run off the floor and I'm like what that's that's dreadful so I was like on pins and needles when I was sleeping here and listening. Karenni noises or creeks or footsteps running down the hall or anything like that. It's okay was coming. I know coming coming. I wound up being fine to deer that in the background for her but then we jumped to that little like coffee shop because after after the cocktail during the day you got to jump over to the cock cocktails jobs coffee shops which would be like what was called? Harriet in Carrie Ann Oak. Yeah that's that place. Yeah yeah so cool inside. The building is so cool because there's that vw Van Parkinson unlike home. Yeah and you can just go in and sit internet. Let's go hang out pretty awesome. And they have great food like really impressive snacks and dishes and stuff. Like I had a keen watt breakfast ball here one time ousting assisting and then they have like really interesting pastries and like Burritos and then like wonderful coffee drinks. Low Tastes Mike. I think they have Thai coffee. which is my favorite thank? You cannot not get that when a brilliant and a lofted second floor is laden really opened great for plan lots of like creatives base. It'd be a great place to work while you're like you know traveling through yes agreed and then after this we literally just walked into the block to see the brand new president. Ah Statue yes which they. The city erected so rapid city is known for these presidential statues. Every president has some specific statue like position somewhere in town in the downtown area. I'm like a different intersection and so it was a big deal for the Obama unveiling which only happened like a few weeks prior to us being here so the timing is great and this one was awesome so the abutment statue shows him holding hands with Sasha Obama when she was much younger than she currently breath yeah because that was that ECOMOG image when he walked on stage for his presidential acceptance speech right yes useful like The really good statue that you on that memorialize his presidency. Yeah I loved it and then I think from here we continued to wander and we wound up having dinner at this restaurant called hauled coal. Ko L. again. I had been here before in new. I love Dan. Why don't you go back with you? Guys in it was wonderful. It's like a very monitoring hiring stylish restaurant with woodfired food and great cocktails and snacks and stuff and we had amazing old-fashioned here as well. Yeah I remember Kelly he is like how do you make your old fashioned. Because you know when you're traveling you have to ask because if you start to say muddled. I'm not getting it beer. And then she was like. Oh Yeah we do this as perf yet so they they know how to make their old fashioned. Cocktails are not like outdated is nice surfaces veered is I think the fears which did love to see that. Yeah that's a good sign. Any big ice doesn't melt and water down your drink right. Yeah so that was awesome. Great Time in rapid city. And you hit on your work. You did much more than what we got to do. What we're a couple of those things? Well I also went to when I was here for my workshop had dinner at Cole. And they went around the corner to this arcade bar this sub training arcade bar which the blast obviously. Yeah I don't know I think I mentioned that you guys just didn't acknowledge me And then also I went to this place firehouse during which is like one of the oldest brewpubs in the state if not the oldest just delicious. It's then this kind of fire depot who really great beers and unlike kind of local food you can get like Bison burgers and stuff like that really solid great great vibe and then I also love the journey museum and Learning Center. which was this really immersive? Incredible like native American Museum and I would love to go back there and I can spend hours and hours. There was so much to see exhibits. You could wander through learning about the history of the native peoples of the area of the DAKOTAS. Because I mean that's that's what this land was was built on the South Dakota's known for and it's you see it everywhere so it's nice to see it honored in this way in a in a beautiful venue like this so we next time. We're passing through. We'll we'll have more time. That's for sure because we'll be rushing across the country but now we're going to take a quick break when we come back. We'll talk to Mike. wiles jewel caves saves chief of resource management. 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"Hi Matt an umbrella. This is park land and this week's episode is on Joel Cave National Monument in South Dakota tour. So here's how the case for work for us when we got there. We got tickets right away waiter around the visitor center for a little while had some snacks Nachshon gift shop and then we wind up having to drive out of the visitor's center parking lot about a mile down the street to the historic entrance parking lot. We didn't realize it was all separated. I I but that worked out. Just fine the tour started this old Park Ranger Cabin from the nineteen thirties led by an excellent park ranger guide. Who all these interesting things in the cabin? Like vintage stove dove There was fireplaces Actually a fireplace and from here. The group headed outside of the cabin. And we all lined up in a circle to get our lanterns. Then we meander demos little path down some steps and along Canyon while the main entrance of the cave and since this is in fact a breathing cave you can actually feel cool air airport out of it. Yes and since we're there on a hot August afternoon it felt amazing like all natural pure air conditioning. It was great. The historic entrance has a locked gate for obvious reasons to keep people and animals But once the guy unlocked it we all went inside and had them light are lanterns. One at a time It was nice and cool inside a consistent temperature about like forty nine degrees. I believe And so we do bring in some late layers there's You definitely need some sturdy hiking shoes because these tours definitely require more maneuvering because there's definite uneven rocky surfaces right right yeah so. The store was super immersive and it was cool because we got to feel like what it was like to be. The earliest explorers here are navigating these narrow dark passageways for the very first time time there are a lot of stairs that went up and down through tight openings and also low ceilings. So Watch your head. I think I bought my head at least once but I just played it off. Oh yeah absolutely absolutely I mean ultimately though the tour leads to these wide open chambers have plenty of room like the heavenly room They got his name from this crystal formation on the ceiling that apparently looks like Madonna Madonna into China Gorgeous. Yeah this is also the part of the tour where everyone Kinda sits down somewhere. In the guy it has alternate are lanterns. So that we're in total darkness. I did this when I was at Carlsbad. Caverns for the first time. And it's always such a surreal experience to be an utter darkness like this. You could like literally put your hand right in front of your face and you'll never see it. You won't see it then you're never just because there's no light whatsoever so there's nothing for your eyes to adjust to and it's the wildest eldest experience. Yeah I mean it's really not a scary thing actually quite calming and in this natural and primitive way. Ah It is. This tour takes about one hour and forty five minutes total altogether. It's like half mile round trip but it is marked as strenuous since there are steep passages and narrow zero openings and it requires climbing someone stops that are essentially just ladders. Like you're you're using your hands for a lot of two. They're not just like traditional stairs and there's also an age limit element of eight years old like you need to be at least eight to Beth. Another thing to point out is that there's white nose syndrome This is a disease that affects bats in in certain parts of the country in certain ways and this is one of them. it's harmless to humans. But we can transmit it so he's doing the same Chinese or clothing in one cave and then bring it to another another. That's how it transmits. Yes so you have to be mindful of that so when you're leaving Joel Cave. They actually have you walked through this cleansing solution to like clean and San. Hose your shoes but tell you should absolutely not wear them in any other cave just for this for the sake of the bats. Better safe than sorry. Yeah we didn't see any bats while we were here But they are definitely the park's most popular animal There are nine different species of bats live in this cave and six of them live there full year round. Yeah Yeah we actually really didn't see many animals here in general when you when now that we think about a but other wildlife that lives in the area includes whitetail deer meal deer elk doc and eastern cotton tail rabbits. So basically all the things you'd expect to see dancing along the background of a Snow White Song basically which fetes and also There are a few more tours. You can do it too. Including the scenic tour which is the most popular It's also easier and less intimidating since it's a paved trail with lighting and you can access sound elevator directly from the visitor center. Yeah the reason it's so popular is because this is where all those jewels are like the caves namesake specimens or most of them anyway because when people think of Joe Cave they think of the shimmering crystals and when you do this story you'll see a ton of them it's just super bright and colorful it honestly. It looks like at least frank folder down here. It's super vivid. Oh man and there's also a wild caving tours Since every national park cave has there's something intense like that. Yeah Yeah we haven't done any of these yet because I'm terrified didn't I don't I honestly don't know if I have the bravery to do it. Maybe one day the one who acquires the hard hat and a headlamp and lots and lots of crawling. The main reason I think I wanna do this one in particular though because the camp formations here have the most amazing names names including hurricane corner. Martha's Kettle Roller Roller Coaster and brain drain. I mean they all sound like a six five waterpark. There's something there there are great. I have expect them to sell down their city. Or whatever really WanNa talk about is our lifestyle within the RV and it's really this thing that can be difficult to discuss sir talk about because you only have so much base you know. We live in twenty six feet of space by about like eight to nine feet wide and so so when people travel with us. When we're with other people gets a little bit harder to navigate our normal light like daily lifestyle and finding finding that is kind of a little bit more difficult so we try to make it really homey for visitors well like also like laying this in education them like how we move around it? It's not easy. No and people are fascinated by that so they experienced firsthand. This is our first kind of test. Ron I guess of having like A. I'd asked for a longer than a few hours. Yeah and candidate great. I remember one point. He actually just jumped up on the roof and he lay down there while we're in Japan A and and it was just great because I'm like yes you are using the RV you're living at your loving it like perfect and that's the best part about kill you just makes himself right at home and he knows how to respect like boundaries and things like that and so That was probably one of my favorite parts about this is like finding that like appropriate guest. Mo.. Oh you're on the move. It's a lot easier to have multiple people because we're getting in and out of the RV all the time and you know we're driving so like you know you can lay back. Yeah it was the first time I I didn't have like I took like the wheel five hours and I got to sit in the back and experience it for the first time for me. Yeah it's crazy it's nice right. I'm still waiting for the day. They take the wheel. Which you've been talking about? I've been promising that for like a year and a half dangling in front of you. Like a carrot. Yeah well it's a carrot. I'm running after so But you know we really care about how travel and how to keep our personal spaces and and so when people come in just we want to help. Guide them into our lifestyle which there's the first time we had that chance and so we made mistakes mistakes and there's things that we could have done better and you know but basically it was a learning experience. Yes it was. It was very comfy. We made it feel homey you you brought out your cocktail skills again. which hadn't used in awhile? Yeah I've just I was trained. I was doing Rodeo after Rodeo Rodeo. And that was one that was so great that will like one night the one of the first or second nights at Kennels with senior like who wants cocktails and we're both like you know Yeah but time. My cocktails You you know we really got to have our fair share in rapid city. Yeah we definitely do we drink it up I love rapids so this is my third time in rapid city. I was here. I as part of a work trip which talked about in the badlands episode. And that's what swept me up with this whole part of the state part of the country and how much I love it and endure it and then I was here here again on May own only passing through but kind of reacquainting myself with this wonderful little city in western South Dakota and then this I was super excited about because I to experience it with you and with Kendall and then go back to some of my favorite spots here as well as do some new things and go to new places linked to place that we got to go to that That mini any coffee. Pirate's cove love periscope. So yeah I was super excited. I remember driving by seeing a parrots Goldman and golf. And I'm like well. We need to do that because I grew up. There was like like a pirates. Coast somewhere in New Hampshire where I grew up and for me. It's always been like. The quintessential mini golf course. So I knew that they were kind of a chain like a national chain but not super ubiquitous. So they're kind of hard to find also would have been the same one. I mean different. It's not identical but like the same. I Guess Style and challenge challenge level and whatnot..
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"When we visited jewel cave. It was an August Dan. We were driving to RV. Back East after being in Wyoming for most of July Our friend Kendall actually from Chicago he came down and flew out This was our neighbor that lived down the hall from us and it was just really cool because we just last minute he said. Hey how you guys doing and What are you guys up to? When can I join? You said you could join us after we are in Cheyenne. Just fly out and we'll drive back through Chicago and he's like Oh. I really wasn't expecting it to be that quick quick. And but he did it and it was just one of those really great times because we got to a lot of places in between the badlands. Mount Rushmore and NGO cave along the way yeah. It was a great a great time in altogether. It wound up being this really epic Americana Road trip I think all that was really missing was like Miley Cyrus Song Party. USA like blasting at full volume with our windows down. It really was their own little party. And we had a great time and there was especially nice to see Kendall again and Here's our first official guest in your V That we had a long like a traveling route. we've had people visit and see it before but no one really stayed with us. Like Kendall did It really made me feel like home again because we got to bond and just talking ketchup and this was like my best friend in Chicago like just go down into the the alleyway where his workshop was and I would talk to him. Just you know really relax and have such an amazing time. His company all the time time I wake how you you guys had hanging out in the alley. Oh Yeah that was the Nice Alley. It's not as creepy as I. It was beautiful. I mean it was remanded. Romantic in my eyes because the way that LOFTA set up. You know I mean when we say our Dream Loft. I mean it was crazy Kendall Kendall crazy with the okay yes And it was really nice too because this was more than a year into. RV`er knows about a year into our living. He was the first kind of friend to come out and like actually spend spend time and put the effort in which is like. It's about time not to like put pressure on her other friends and stuff and I'm like you guys we miss you and you. You missed us. You're constantly Tong. CMS US so how. `Bout you follow through and it's kind of hard though because like we are like like getting dark mean thrown at a moving target right. Yeah Yeah but I'm glad this worked out and it's definitely something we were needing and missing like you said and we had a great time visiting all these places together like we started in Cheyenne Wyoming coming at Cheyenne frontier days. This epic Rodeo and carnival which was spectacular and crazy and then going through rapid city and to Moines Iowa. And of course the this stop. They've decided to go book. RV Site in rapid city. which is the hub of the western part of South Dakota and accessible to all kinds of popular places like badlands and Mount Rushmore? Yeah I'm obsessed with rapid city of benefit times at this point and it's such a great place thriving there's so much to do there and and just the proximity to all these wonderful places is extraordinary hard to be. It's barely an hour from Joel Cave and the route to and from is also just superstar. You drive through the black hills and these sprawling pine forests and also these adorable historic towns like custer Kane. Yeah so Joe. Cave was our first stop on this trip. Because it's closest to the Wyoming border. We went on a week day. Didn't make any advanced reservations for any cave tours because as you can only do that on a first come first basis right there on site which is nice and it's fair. Yeah I think I actually prefer it that way because when we're at Carlsbad caverns together. I remember how unknowingly impossible it was to get tickets to most of the cave tourists because all the tickets had been snatched up like weeks prior up two months prior in some cases. Like I'm sorry but I don I don't make cave plans like a year in advance. Okay like I'm more of an impromptu caver I guess true yeah got to cave in the late morning and we were easily able to get three tickets to the door glanton tour which was a lot of fun. It was a real blast from the past. Yeah Oh definitely. I love any activity where I get to hold like this old time lantern turn Infield like a cave mining dwarf. Probably if I was going to be a one of the seven dollars I think it would be dopey. Let's be honest also. I think I'm I know currently as I'm recording. I'm wearing a hat that makes take dopey. It's like one of those like teal blue hats. It's a joke but it really is no but it's also worth noting that the tour is the only only offered during the summer from mid June through labor day and that's mostly because there is an unpaved trail you need to take to get to the store entrance with a bunch of uneven steps so I could see a gang really icy and snowy and so you just don't WanNa fall right. You don't WanNa be slipping down into the canyon. That's for sure but our tourist great. We got our tickets and we just had to wait around for about an hour before the tour started so we explored the visitor center which was awesome and had tons of information about the cave and the park including this shocking fact that you'll cave is apparently what's called a breathing cave meaning that air exits and enters the cave as atmospheric pressure changes kind of similar learn. How tides ebb and flow in the ocean? So I felt like I was walking into like Earth Slot. It was crazy we also learned a lot about the geology cave because all of those shimmering crystals didn't just show up overnight no not at all not at all most of the formation of the cave started with limestone deposited three hundred and fifty million years ago followed by more limestone in in sand stones. All of which were read it away during the geologic uplift as the black hills were farming and rising pathways started to take shape during during the Senate period as uplift continued and lowered the water table enough to clear things out and millions of years after that layers of calcium started to form along the cave walls about two point five million years ago. I mean it's a long time This is where those crystals started to form along with lots and lots of other cave formations like flow stone and stalactites and cave. Pearls in box works. Yeah and also a super rare K. formation called a hydro magnesite balloon. And and it's pretty much what it sounds like. They're made when gas inflates a malleable earth and substance. So essentially these were inflated when portions of the Cave for still delicate and pliable enough to be maneuvered maneuver by gases. Long Story Short. There's a ton to learn down there and not all underground. Apparently there was a major fire here in two thousand that burn ninety percents of the monument and he can still see lots of the remnants of those like ravaged trees in the forest surrounding the visitor center and along the road leading to the park. Yeah before we got here right never even heard of this fire or knew that happened. But it's like immediately in abundantly clear. Is You're driving theory Alex. Something happened and it's horrific. It was called the Jasper fire. It's spread to more than eighty three thousand acres of this beautiful black hills land. The park was evacuated of course enclosed for several days and National Park Service. Employees actually moved computers and documents into the cave to keep it safe just in case the visitor center itself wound up being untouched. Fortunately yeah this was also part of the reason why most of the surface was hiking. Trails were closed when we were there There aren't many trails but they are routinely closed because burn trees constantly falling on ninety days. And it's really early potentially dangerous. Yeah and also. There's really a huge difference between the this Jasper Fire and natural fires. That happened in this part of the country usually caused by things like lightning strikes. These actually have lots of benefits. The life cycle the forest because not only do they thin out. The forest so that trees are densely packed together competing for sunlight but fire adds nutrients into the soil that helps plants and animals. Yeah the Jasbir fire on the other hand was arson apparently by a Wyoming woman who was driving through and tossed a match on on the ground for some reason just to just to cause trouble or litter and then Brian the forest the ground. Who knows now when we come back from this short break we'll head underground underground at jewel cave.
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"Every podcasts watch three years well thrilled to report. We're back in one of my all time favorite states this sweet to talk about our latest park. Joel Cave National Monument in South Dakota. That's right and there's a lot to uncover here because they feel like even though Joel Cave is the third longest cave in the world and the second longest United States not to mention one of the oldest national park sites in the country not allow people know much about it. Yeah that's true I think it tends to get overshadowed mainly by other nearby South Dakota parks like badlands. Mount Rushmore at wind cave the latter of which we actually tried to visit on this same trip at this past summer but their elevators weren't working where we are passing through so they weren't able to give cave tours and that really sucked at first but I've been on the Tower Arve Teradata Disney and I know that elevator mechanics are an important thing so by all means get it. Take your time figure it out. I don't WanNa go plunging down. It's okay if it's really only fitting that you bring up that ride because if you remember from our first cave episode from season one about Carlsbad caverns the portion of the case where natural light mixes with the Complete Dr. This is called the twilight zone. Yeah so that terror of Terre reference actually just fits in perfectly but anyway we're excited to shine a spotlight or in this case Lantern Turn on Jewel Cave National Monument and coming up later in this episode where super excited because we have a special guest Park Ranger Mike wiles to talk with us so stay tuned for that Tom Matt and I'm Brad. This is park land. Yeah production of iheartradio. We sold our loft in Chicago. Moved it into an RV full time and now we're in the country with our dog. Thin exploring America's national parks. This week's episode is on Jewel Cave National Monument which is in western South Dakota all right. Let's just address the elephant in the room that I'm sure you're all wondering wondering about this. Place is Jewel Cave National Monument and not in fact Jewels Cave National Monument so it's not named for nor presided over by singer Songwriter Jewel. I know I was as shocked as you probably are. Now will they do have one thing in common though jewel cave and jewel. The singer are both both poetic. That's true maybe this is why I felt like such an immediate kinship with US place though because I'm not sure if you remember or if I ever really sure this fact talked with you but when I was a kid I had memorized jewels. You're meant for me Song by heart word for word and not only that in case I wasn't good enough but but I would ride my little scooter like my razor scooter around our driveway. For probably hours singing it in my both in my head and allowed and then then you're like what that was I don't like you know those cd because that's where you they're so delicate. You bump it not just freeze damage. I yeah so mix. I remember vividly those lyrics and music video which was just wonderful. It really was you've been meant Belt Karaoke to yeah. I guess it's kind of like a go to sing along song for me especially now in a Karaoke venue because last year may saying this it was actually our last night in Chicago in two thousand eighteen. We were out bar hopping with a couple of our best friends from Chicago. Louise and Maggie. Hugh had gone home for the night. I think because we had had a long night at that point dinner drinks and stuff but the three of us went up going to some nearby karaoke slash cocktail bar that I'd never even heard of even even those like half a mile or definitely less than a mile from our law which is crazy crazy. I it blended in with like the streetscape. I always assumed it was like a used furniture store or or something because they have like a generic name and it kind of luck shoddy but it really fit the vibe here and we just most up to the bar. I think Louise and Maggie had wine Ryan. I had like a Banana Bread Martini which is one of their. We are desert drinks so classy drinks and I had like liquid banana bread and when when we're all picking are karaoke songs I was just like I don't even need to look at the book. I know what I'm singing it's Joel for me and even though I was already in emotional rack going being in so her music did not help the situation one bit now. That really was a a difficult time. I mean especially if you for both of us like more so just that you know I left before they motions ran rampant because I had Yeah I couldn't handle it but Fortunately Jewel Cave has nothing to do with any of that So we can easily transition away from this emotional wreck Type of topic. But it's funny how. I'm always learning these trains. Musical facts about you like when you wrote a rap rap song about Haiti's in the fifth grade and now you memorialized and memorized Joel Yeah it is very strange or anything about it even more so the fact that I somehow always finagle these embarrassing facts in two episodes about national parks on on a near constant basis back to the cave. Let's start with some numbers because they're even more impressive than Karaoke skills trail. I pretty low bar. Let's be honest. You don't need to hear me Sing Joel. History so jewel cave is the third largest in the world it's got about two hundred miles of mapped passageways which puts it behind only early systemic stock act tune in Mexico and Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky which we talked about earlier this season. Yes that makes jewel cave the second longest in the the US significantly longer than any other well known caves like wind cave national park in Carlsbad Caverns National Park. Yeah it was first discovered in nineteen hundred. Read by a couple of prospectors frank. Albert Miss showed which is exciting and great. Th of December two crosses place but less great that they blew up an expanded cave entrance with dynamite now on like spectacular. I mean it was unlike anything either of them had ever seen It was dark ominous cavern cavern lined with shimmering calcium crystals out which were just so ambient and beautiful that they Immediately named Jewel Cave. I mean yeah what else. It's the most straightforward for literal sensible name. I've ever heard and the whole scene really just reminds me of the crystal minds from Snow White those like shimmering crystals and dark like magic loved it all and if we're going down that route I think freaking album will probably dock and happy if we're comparing them to dwarfs which I am okay and I feel like we have the doors were all potentially offensive. Like they're all these kind of drastic stereotype. That don't really make sense. But let's go with these two dock and happy. Yeah Doc and happy head dynamite right So they wanted to capitalize on their discovery and turned the cave into a tourist attraction So they earn money They wound up building little pathways inside inside the cave and a large and to make even more appealing they even established an organization called the jewel cave dancing club in nineteen ninety-two sounds like a fun. Time yeah I feel like that. Sounds like was like hipster esque like cocktail bars now. Yeah I think there's a place in Chicago. That could definitely make this blake. I could see it as like this kind of quasi speakeasy 'cause this had needs to be dark and talk to way to fit the cave name and then also have these shimmering colors reminiscent instead of crystals and tight that would. I think it'd be really bad for dancing. Club setting get hurt a liability the big liability. Yeah but you know it. It's a good idea especially when you're wanting to attract that very specific niche of people interested in both both dancing and caving and that's what they do they want us to do that too but sadly for them but great for everyone else their idea never caught on and they were not able to monetize monetize this however all this Hoopla did garner the attention of President Theodore Roosevelt in he. He's always coming in for the rescue and He protected the cave. By naming it jewel cave national monument way back in nineteen. Oh eight several years before the National Park Service was even established. One of the great things about this place Is that once. It was was owned by the National Park Service and it was created Park Rangers were able to give cave tours in ways that were safe and informative as opposed to tours led by I to money. Hungry pyros right. Yeah that sounds much better in one of the most amazing tidbits about all. This is how little everybody knew about the cave. At the time of the discovery and National Monument status they only knew about a couple of miles in fact when it first was created or I established until the park service employed put a couple of local rock climbers and cavers. Herb and Jan conn were fearless. Heroes my eyes. I could never do something. That's never be looked professional caver. They started exploring the cave in depth literally in nineteen fifty nine and they continued doing so for two decades two decades. That's nuts ultimately mapping more than sixty for additional miles and it hasn't stopped there either The park is constantly being mapped by new passageways. Even today and they've sends added an elevator to take visitors down there to the half mile scenic loop cave door. Yeah I you got to admire the work that these cavers do if cameras even word because my spacek didn't seem to think so but it anyway sounds outrageous K.. People or something. So that's why I'm going to use but the work that they do is just so astonishing. So impressive both in especially intimidating. My God it's like my worst claustrophobic nightmare this is world. That's just pitch black and completely quiet and solitary. It's the same temperature and humidity humidity year round which I think can be a good thing in winter. I guess especially in South Dakota but it's really just the ultimate isolation and such an unnatural and wild frontier for humans really. Yes especially since people exploring and mapping the cave today frequently camp out underground for days at a time They must be like completely fearless list and not at all freed of the dark. Yeah that's that's true. I remember while we were on our cave tour here with our little group. There was this little girl in the group who asked the Berranger. What happens if someone down in the Cape gets hurt or lost or something like that and I was like a girl I? I don't even want to know the answer to that question. It's scary you know a very For in like terrifying Ram in like don't even WanNa think about that but then they answer when it being like normal rational lake. The park just does periodic regular communication education checks. So if they don't hear back I'll go down and and find them in just rectify the situation. which was reassuring but still this cave this cave? Life is now for me.
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"Routine air tests results revealed the presence of Aspergillus mold in the air in three operating rooms and two procedural areas those now closed several months ago Seattle children's clothes all of their operating rooms for the same reason and they have since made upgrades to their ventilation system hoping to prevent it in the future as the chief medical officer Dr mark told Carl we have it visually inspected both up close and with remote cameras through the duct system and field all potential air leaks both inside the error handler system and down inside the ours themselves but the mold is back and they are also investigating to new potential surgical site infections from the mold later this week they plan to close all operating rooms for further testing Boeing is so confident the seven thirty seven Max will be on grounded in December it's announcing plans to resume customer deliveries that same month the playmaker says in a new statement it expects the Max to be recertified a mid December and for new pilot training requirements to be approved in January under that schedule Boeing says quote it is possible resumption of Max deliveries to airline customers could begin in December tomorrow to come a city council expected to take up a controversial guns and ammo tax proposal more Kamel's Franklin see the proposal calls for a twenty five dollar tax on the sale of each gun and two to five cents for each round of ammunition the council postponed a vote late last month to consider some amendments some to come again shop owners fear the tax would send their customers to other cities the money raised would go to gun violence prevention program press Lenzi reporting a horror film being shot in the northwest gets a surprise twist when the real life drama of its lead actress could spawn another movie come as Brian Kelberg explains executive producer Matthew speaker it has been working on this project for years now it could be awhile longer before you stable screen is new film for an audience the movie is called from the dark and it said of the Oregon caves national monument it's the story of a group of young adults and what they do to solve the mystery of several missing people some of these people murder basically the the lead character knows they're in trouble and she just nailed the price level of fear in she's just a really talented actress speaker it is referring to lead actress win read she was definitely a rare find.
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"Match points as early as next month the company says it expects planes to be cleared for commercial service in January a horror film being shot in the north west gets a surprise twist when the real life drama if his lead actress could spawn another movie channels brand Calvert explains executive producer Matthew speaker and has been working on this project for years now it could be awhile longer before he's stable screen is new film for an audience the movie is called from the dark and it said of the Oregon caves national monument it's the story of a group of young adults and what they do to solve the mystery of several missing people some of these people murder basically the the lead character knows they're in trouble and she just nailed the price level of fear and she's just a really talented actress speaker it is referring to lead actress wind read she was definitely a rare find for co writer Justin Adams can deliver what we wanted from nearly see where the ninety six once filming wrapped in her performance was captured on film when reed was captured by police you see she is accused of the real life murder of her uncle an event captured on cellphone video I attended a few hearings and and I was at her bail hearing when the cellphone footage was shown hand that is I became really concerned because it we basically just did not know how people would react to her being in our film Siskiyou productions release of from the darkest now indefinitely delayed as the murder mystery has now become the victim of a real life murder there's a key scene analyst for over there is a key scene where she should somebody in a similar fashion the actress has been formally charged the aspiring filmmakers may never released their project as a result of a screen lied to me about this our entire project we're working on for for almost four years Brian Calvert come on his time one forty eight an actor and comedian who was badly hurt earlier this year made a surprise appearance at last night's people's choice awards here's ABC's T. J. Holmes Kevin Hart shocked everyone in the audience immediately gave him a standing ovation as he walked onto the stage to accept the night's first award for comedy act of twenty nineteen this was hard first official appearance since fracturing his spine in three places in that terrifying September car accident energy yes support it means the world actually want to thank you guys for being there for me I'm a difficult time after that rousing start so the biggest names in TV film and music settle into the Barker hangar in Santa Monica for the twenty nineteen people's choice awards Avengers in game the most nominated movie of the evening so called three awards for movie of the year action movie and male movie star of twenty nineteen thank you Disney thank you Marvel thank you Bruce over others and most of all to the late great Stan Lee this is for your there's also an award for competition contests in of the year that went to the bachelorette's Alabama Hannah for X. Tyler at the watch from his seat this award means a lot to me because it just the firms that it's okay to be vulnerable and put your heart out there Jennifer Aniston received the people's icon award for her diverse work in the entertainment world this word icon it's only because I was able to be on a on an iconic show hi Connie cast and an iconic CBC's TJ hold one fifty now your fellow jurors money update here's Jim Tesco stocks finished narrowly mixed open of the week the Dow industrials edged up ten points but the nasdaq composite fell eleven and the S. and P. five hundred slipped six giving the blue chip index the boasts a jump of four and a half percent buy shares of Boeing the jet makers said today it expects to resume deliveries of its grounded seven thirty seven MAX planes next month they've been grounded since the second of two fatal crashes last March Boeing hinted that it's closing in on getting regulators final approval to allow its best selling planes to return to.
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"Like bats are hugely diverse and live all over the world. Yeah so bad. So I think you're about a quarter of mammals, VC's rodents or the most species diverse group of animals. And then I think that's our second bats, your second, most of that diversity is in the traffic's clustered in a group that we don't really have in the US. So I think Phyllis Ahmed's are the most diverse, I guess, family, so to group, the two main groups are the mega, and the micro Cairo. What we used to think. Oh, there's been some kind of pushback on that. And I'm not super into the system systematics part of research. But it seems like it doesn't neatly along those lines like we used to think it did it was a payment tolerance are pretty tough on the fossil record because they're very fragile. Yeah. So they don't tend to preserve super. Well, yeah, although I have. I've heard some pretty interesting research where people are using alien to logical methods to do more modern research because like they'll be at a big hybrid accurate. There's tons about seizing these caves for the past few centuries. A few of them die every winter. And so you get if you go in there and like survey pretty systematically, you can get skulls. And then you can basically treat those as fossils and do some morphological stuff. Oh, cool. Cool. I've always liked bats because a lot of the main mammal that I study our slots, and so, like it's the only other mammal that's figured out how to hang upside down for most of its life, which is kind of a weird weird shared characteristic, that, you know, you think of like these really hyper bats, and he's release loss. And then there's also this other weird connection that in the fossil record of vampire, bats are actually pretty good indicator of temperature because they're very temperature sensitive taxon. And so there's theories about why we find sloth bones in caves. And if you can find a vampire bat to it says something about like what the temperature was like, and whether the cave was being used as thermal refuge for these two completely different animals. Yeah. That's super neat. Yeah. Okay. So do you actually get to go to the cave to get to do field work, so? Yeah. So the jewel cave national monument itself, as like three or four square miles. It's a pretty small park in it, but it's completely surrounded by national forest and so I don't I don't do that much the cave. We have a tag reader. What does that mean the cave entrance? So hit. Tags or like basically pet microchips, and so they're pretty common to US Fish research, because you can put tag readers at various places in streams, and inject these little micro chips and fish thing. You put in your dog. Yeah. Pretty much. And so when fish past these pit tag reader, arrays that are configured, various ways, and have different strengths and things like that. But often when fish pass these readers than you can like get daytime stamp of when they passed it, and if you have a stationary fish, then you can like get a whole bunch of time stamps and kind of the same place. Or if you have a migratory fish, you can like time, like salmon migration. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty, like exactly. And so that's part of a research there is trying to figure out how the bat so using the cave when they're entering it when they're exiting it so that they can plan cave tours and things like that. Mitigate their impacts on bats a little bit more and see which species. Exactly are using them caves, which Pacific time. Uh-huh. But if they develop does it like mammoth cave with walkways and lights and stuff? Or is it mostly left unfinished? Yeah. So the area where I'm working as they call it the historic entrance, which is kind of a natural insurance that they may bigger. So they could develop a little bit kind of back in the day. Now they have this fancy elevator system where you go deeper into the cave in. So I think you start the cave tour in some.
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"And so, so you're saying they run really hot. So they can't handle the heat is yes or they, they can't handle the heat. So if it gets above. Of fourteen to seventeen degrees celsius, which is like well below room temperature. Then they start panting and doing other things to try to distract because this person's parallel parking very badly outside and almost hit that other car. And so are you working with the moves here in Wyoming? Or are you working with moves in other areas? Now I'm using a data set that I got access to I was in Minnesota. So these Minnesotan, cool, where they also have wolves. Right. We'll be back in Minnesota. And so what got you interested in bats in the first place is really just the opportunity to come to Wyoming and come to a lab whose work really respected. So I reached out to a whole bunch of different people for grad school somewhere interested somewhere, some head finding something to in and visited a few schools. And this was the school that seemed like the best fit. So come from a rural area by all means pretty rural. Had a really good opportunity well-funded project with the park service. I knew I kinda wanted to work with an agency doing some kind of applied stuff for my graduate degree. And had a lot of flexibility to kind of do what I wanted to. So the questions that the park service wanted answered we're pretty simple. And so while I'm answering those simpler questions, I have enough resources to kind of get more interesting questions, I think, and so when you say you have data sets from various national parks, that's that's dated at the parks themselves are collecting or we're collecting already that you didn't get access to and can use that data to answer questions or how exactly does the partnership work. My, my work with the park service is just at jewel cave, national monument. Where's is that in the black hills in South Dakota? So with the park service, I'm really just kinda working with them to answer some apply questions for how they can better manage their bats, and that's I mean, South Dakota still pretty far from where white knows has reached well it was when I started pretty close. Now we. Some collaborators of mine found it at the parking where I'm working. Yeah. What kind of bets are primarily? Are there? Multiple species of bats. Guess I don't know. I guess I don't know a lot about cave ecosystems when it comes to bats, there, are there typically dominated by one species abet. Or do you get communities of all sharing the same space or it depends? So most bats actually it pretty rarely used caves. So a lot of bats hibernate in caves during the winter some bats migrate, and actually, don't spend any time in caves, and then during the summer, there's some that the super coupe Ananta leaf best live in the tropics. Yeah. So kind of across the US, they're places that have US enters at least have super diverse communities and then generally the further north you go and the further east, you go, it gets a little bit less diverse and so-, Joel cave is really interesting because we're kind of had the place where a lot of eastern species meet western species, cool, so and that's true of like birds, we get like eastern Bluebirds mountains, blue birds in the same place, some eastern woodpeckers in western woodpeckers in the same place. It's true. That's true of mammal. Two. So there's both white tailed and meal deer there, they, you see them all the time about equal proportions. And what's interesting is that, like I think, because they fly and because of some other characteristics of them being kind of weird mammals a lot of times when you're reading studies about the try to encompass a lot of diversity, they'll often say, like we included all terrestrial novel went to mammals, which means basically, we left out, all marine mammals, and all that's like bats are hugely diverse and live all over the world. Yeah so bad. So I think you're about a quarter of mammals, VC's rodents or the most species diverse group of animals..
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"He says, he's comforted that the area's logging doesn't appear to be affecting the bats too much Matra foresters. One of the most heavily logged national forest units and in the lower forty, he says, bats around here aren't hibernating by the millions in caves the way they do out east. Instead, they likely hibernate in the dozens in cliffs. He says, since the fungus mostly spreads bat to bat, that could be one reason. The fungus hasn't struck out west, but he says, now that it's been discovered less than sixty five miles away at jewel cave national monument. It may be just a matter of time. The good news is that. Black hills. National forest is working to protect this bat. They even helped fund burner. These study. We know we're having an impact. We know that bats are being disturbed or killed from our activities that's black hills. National forest wildlife biologist Matt Stephan it. And when he says activities, he means logging. He says, the agency is actively protecting any ponderosa's that researchers say the female Northerns used to give birth and raise pups in the hope is to increase their numbers. We can go into timber stand and construct a buffer zone around those maternity roosts in not log in those areas. Right now. He says that buffer zone is one hundred and fifty feet, but may need to be larger. But Stephanie says locals rely on logging for jobs and shutting down altogether isn't an option right now even with white nose syndrome, swiftly closing in sort of hear them all buzzing. Back at the pond researcher, Ellen whittle finishes measuring a northern long eared bat, she stands up the back squirming wildly in her hand. Then she sets him free just like. The bat disappears instantly into the darkness and whittle moves on to identify the next one. For here. Now I'm melody Edwards and a final note..