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Year in Review: What the Hell Happened in 2018?

Vogue Podcast

32:28 min | 2 years ago

Year in Review: What the Hell Happened in 2018?

"Hello. I'm Sally singer the creative digital director for Boca as your draws close. In the vote dot com offices on the site. We can discussing the narratives of two thousand eighteen that will continue to guile in the devil in two thousand nineteen those of us who work on vote dot com or by necessity focused on the day by day probably actually the hour by hour. And so it's not always easy to take a step back and think big picture, but the stories we cover online and on social media with ever increasing urgency, but take a step back. We must if we were ever to make significant strides forward in the areas of gender, equality, the environment, and our culture, more generally. So in this episode of the podcast Allesandro Cadena who oversees the coverage of culture and politics for the site and writers Michelle Ruis and Bridget read are going to let you in on our thinking, well, they're thinking actually and on the progress in promise of me to the new green deal and the rise. And rise of quality television, which for Bridget is synonymous with reality TV, but more about that later for now. Hello allesandra. Hi, sally. Glad you're here. Thank you so much. I'm here today with culture, contributors, Bridget read and Michelle Ruiz's. Thank you guys. So much for comment and joining me here. Hello. Hi, thanks for having us. So the edict that we've really been given is to think about twenty eight teen the end of the year sort of what we've seen in thought a lot about. And what's been happening though? Obviously, not everything that's happening because well, our scope of coverage is rather broad as both of you know, our time available here is not. So we talked a little bit before about the most important issues of the year. And the first one that really leaped out at us. I know is actually the biggest existential threat facing humanity Novick deal, which is climate change. And Bridget you've been thinking a lot about this in your coverage for us online specific. About the green new deal. I would love it. If you could walk us in the listeners through that through the climate town hall that you yes. Went to watched. What watched it was in DC streamed? So this is an issue that's picking up a lot of steam right now as Congress's ending its session for the year. And we covered the new deal via our pre midterms videos. Yes, we did way before other people. On the bandwagon, quote, fashion magazine, and the green deal is not a new idea, but it's become this rallying cry around which progressives are deciding how best to usual use legislation to tackle climate change. So this year, I mean last year really with hurricane Maria Puerto Rico and this year with extreme weather events like fires in California. And the IPC report that came out people, I think are just becoming more and more aware of climate change and talking about it more, which has been the biggest obstacle. I think is getting people to talk about it and confront it. So green new deal is at its most basic level in the style of FDR's new deal post world or during world or two which was to mobilize pretty much every aspect of the American economy. And at the time it was in industrial Konomi to fight not only to do. To make what was necessary for war boss of gift people jobs and help after the great pressure. So for climate change that would be giving people jobs that are green jobs and helping to d- Newt to neutralize are. Now, totally dependent economy from carbon. So that we are totally renewable. Some people are saying twenty fifty that's a pretty conservative year, the green new deal people now in congress who are mostly representatives are saying twenty thirty five and that is mo- sort of been spearheaded by Alexandria, Cossio Cortez who won her primary in a big of set as we know. And she right now is sort of on step one of a green new deal, which is to create this select committee on green new deal, everything in congress before you can do it you have to decide to do. And so basically she's trying to rally votes. So that they pass a Bill which would say. That in the next two years. Congress will have a mandate to figure out what agree new deal will be for the United States for twenty twenty. So that means what are green jobs. How many will be created? What will they be doing? While the building, you know, solar power grids will be is it infrastructure. And then of course, there's this issue of just transition which is about how to help people who are the most vulnerable in the economy already. So for example, like in France where seeing with these zone, shall I drown protests? You can't just sort of give these green mandates if they're raising taxes or if there if people are being perceived to be hurt by them. They will not work. So they have to they have to get people behind them. So basically, that's what they're going to be trying to do for the next two years, if they can get this slick Midi created so that securing a deal, and I think it's really exciting. And it's. Going to be a huge issue for candidates in twenty twenty for presidential candidates. Right. Whereas before it climate was sort of like the third rail. People didn't wanna talk about it because it was either to depressing or they didn't really have an answer that didn't wanna piss off oil lobby or whatever like Trump, and you just don't believe that. It's real right? You say you don't believe in Israel decide to block it out. Yeah. Well, in fossil fuel, you know, emissions from the United States, especially has have actually been going up in the last three years, which is crazy. And really scary a nice that is because people don't wanna you know, it's almost like people wanted it to be over. It was something from the seventies. Or, you know, Al Gore, blah, blah, blah. And now we actually have what I am excited by what I'm excited about by the green new deal is that it is a policy collection that we can, you know, make a household name and get people on board with and then hammer out the details. But this idea that the government should be mobilizing. Every reason. Source that it can to transition us away from this debris dependence. We have should be the idea. So just to have a lightning rod issue is is exciting. Branding branding xactly. Yeah. All right. I mean, I think actually it sounds silly. But one of the biggest problems that the the sort of climate. Lobby. I guess you'd call it has there isn't really like a face of it. Like there, isn't it was Al Gore for so long to cap Rayo, anybody I'm easy count way. Lovely. Oh, he's I would say water wildlife animals, which are important. Yeah. Get him in there. Get in congress. We've been talking about. As a new Leo because she actually was so speaking of the town hall that you asked me about so that was a Bernie Sanders climate town hall that was on Monday. So that was December third, and she chilling Woodley was actually a host with him because she is on the board of our revolution. Which I don't I didn't know a lot of people know, she was arrested at standing rock, but you know, we had celebrities arrested at the cabinet protests this year, right? It's not that. You know it. That's not that new maybe. But I think it's just exciting to see people talking about it. And the town hall was kind of remarkable in that it put on the same level that every year when there's a presidential election or or midterms we talk about health care, we talk about racial Justice. We talk about you know, are sort of foreign policy all these things that sort of we know are important, and we don't give climate change the. The attention that we need. So to have a town hall around it for the first time. I mean, in my memory, I think in all these sort of broadcasted, whatever it wasn't on CNN or anything like that, which I think would be the next step rage because it was just through these various activist groups that were helping in through Sarah Sanders, but. Huge. And I mean, I do think that there's been a lot of movement on the state level. At least like that. I mean, I just saw this NAT GO documentary from Paris to Pittsburgh, which is sort of anchored in my Bloomberg sort of put it on in York. And I think hosted it, but sort of anchored by Trump's withdrawal from the Paris accords. And how he said, you know, I was elected to represent the people of Pittsburg not Paris. And immediately the mayor of Pittsburgh Bill Peduto like shoots out of his seat. He's actually in the film and ferry funny. And he's like, Pittsburgh 'cause they're actually like incredibly clean city now and they've done a really good job at changing their roles as a sort of former steel and coal, and we called it at shirt town road to change your shirt halfway through the day. 'cause just there's so much soot in the air that you're just like have to change your shirt, and there's a lot in California's doing a lot California. I think we actually forget is an oil state to like the. Third largest oil. Is getting kind of exposed. Yeah for but they're doing a lot of great work. Yeah. Totally on the on the smaller local level too. Yeah. But the company level, I mean, I guess there are ways to chip away at the problem for lack of government action. But it's really cool to see that there is mobilizing around it. And like, I remember it not being asked as prominently in the debate. So I always after those owes an afterthought so dec- kind of like climbing its way into the mainstream debate is huge. Yeah. And the I mean this elect committee if it passes will not you will not be allowed to be on it as a Representative in house if you take money from fossil fuel companies, which we're all sort of make it really at the goal. I think I mean, obviously that's the goal one. Last thing about the climate town hall that I just think everyone should know about is that one of the guests was this mayor from Georgetown, Texas, which is one of the only two cities or towns in the United States. That's currently. One hundred percent renewable energy, and he's a conservative mayor. And and he was just this kind of like guy who entered politics hilariously because he wanted to use only one hundred percent period appropriate brick for his driveway of side of his historic home. And they would not let him so that's why entered politics. So he's like a libertarian, and he just came to this, you know, completely leftist panel right after an indigenous rights activists who wrapped and said, I do I did this with my town because it's it's practical it saved money. And I mean, there's a whole other conversation about how basically the town owns owns the utilities, which is I mean sort of shocking in America. But it's a it's a determined Texas. So this is not something that we have to think of only as like, Pittsburgh, or as the on in New York or California. So it's. It's cool. It's exciting that these things are happening. And it's nice to have something that feels forward-looking and future oriented instead of just the scary stuff. Because that's what keeps people from making it a part of their lives. Just like when you say what's important to me. And you say them ISM where you say black lives matter, you say, you know, healthcare all all of these things are vitally important, and they are all affected by climate change. So we should all be saying what is important to me, you know, saving what we can the planet and doing sustainable, and and all that stuff. So you denies if it wasn't a partisan issue just to want on earth to live upon. I don't know how it became lay. No Daniel like a God other crazy liberals like don't wanna be like don't want to recede into the ocean. Right. Do any of us. You know? I mean, and there there's a sort of fiction, right? That like these coal jobs are going to come back and hold ops aren't gonna come back and they haven't been coming back. And by the way, like this is a growth industry. This clean energy is America. That's. It's a real. You know solar is a real growth section of this economy at this moment, you know, like wind turbines all these things like they have their pluses and minuses, but you know, there's a whole place like in Des Moines, I think all these farms are run on solar and agriculture's, obviously got its problems too. But yet to your point I think, it's not I think people hopefully will wise up. I hope it doesn't take a catastrophic event. Like that sort of seems to be what happens, right? Like it has to be your town catches on fire. And then you realize or floods we've seen a lot of obviously, you're seeing a lot of them. So. Yeah. Yeah. Tornadoes in the midwest. I mean, it's it's it's everywhere. But yeah, I think think have if green if a green new deal becomes a household name or term lake Medicare for all or even paid parental leave or treatment, you know, gender policies that have have kind of. Caught fire in the last gun caught by. Caught by less, you here's that should be. I mean that in itself would be a huge coup than by mental movement. Just to have something that everybody has to be asked about in the debates, you know, which actually brings me that's sets up the segue rather nicely to talk about the other giant. Thank you. It's other giants story this year, which Michelle you've written a ton about which is sort of metoo in the repercussions that it's had throughout literally every industry and just last night. Michelle, you put up a piece in response to the Hollywood reporter's big Hollywood roundtable, and they talked to all these actresses, and they talked all these actors and all the actresses are talking about you know, what mean to in times up as men and all the actors are talking about everything else because they weren't asked about it. Yeah. This is an interesting. He no moment at the end of the year just to see that. I guess what it signal to me was like this year. Feels like it has been three years because so much has happened on a lot of it was very kind of heavy, and so it feels like it's been forever ago that the Golden Globes happened, and everyone was wearing black and that this was just this sort of exposes began to come down. But it was a little disconcerting last night. Because it was like, nah. Not not even a year, or I guess it's just been one year since probably that first Weinstein story and were already convening, you know, six of the most famous men in Hollywood, and we're not even asking them about this huge issue that is pressing in their industry who were some of them that was kind of odd to me the report it was my her Shlah Ali my boyfriend him shower. Viggo Vigo Mortenson Chad bozeman, I can't name all of them not the guide. They're all really great actors. And I think Michelle made a very good point in her piece that they're kind of done a disservice by no one in the us. They could have brought it up of their own accord. But like, you gotta ask them, right? Timothy Chaumet conviction. He would have been like he would like show. So you know, I donated my Woody Allen which did. Right. I think it's kind of like ask him seems tragic bozeman you would think is doing something he's socially conscious guy. And he and he talked in the piece about what Black Panther has meant to him. And how it is sort of meet him see Hollywood less cynically and make him think that good things can be Greenland and inclusive projects can happen. But I think it was just interesting in the sense that eight highlights a larger thing about men perhaps not being involved in this movement. Or, you know, I guess it's kind of analogous in a way to like the green new deal, if we're going to draw this parallel and segue in that you have the sort of brandit, and you have to be asked about it. Like, you have to ask about it in debates, and you have to hold people to task about it for it to become a kind of household topic of conversation. I think that's true for asking candidates about the green new deal Miki making it into a thing that is commonly talked about and kind of goes for talking about it and making sure. But it's clear that men should have a role in this movement. And that when they're in the seats of power, they have to have a role in changing things we can't as women be the ones who are abused in her AST. And also the change makers a bit much to ask and also expected to constantly be sort of beating that drum. When maybe you do wanna talk about your role, or maybe you do wanna talk about the other projects that you wanna do, you know, right? Should be equally that labor should be sort of shared across the industry. Yeah. And it was like an yet everyone who had ever worked with Woody Allen. Every woman who would ever worked with Willie Allen was asked about it. And yet group of men get together at are not asked about women the issue that is pressing in their industry that as it relates to women. Right. And it's all time me too. As like, a sort of add on sort of marketing point is used so often in the most trite sort of ways like whether I mean, we get PR pitches constantly that are. You know, this XYZ movie song, whatever is, you know, me two meets whatever and so Muteesa cts lip law. Right. Right. And so to have it be kind of invoked that way instead of how it seems like it should I mean, a sort of big capsule year and peace with some of the most famous actors who had their industry completely rocked. A not seems like the appropriate time. Right. Yeah. Yet, a famous sort of much more superficial. Yeah. It was somewhat worrisome. I mean, it made me think about kind of like the up down or the victories. And and the things that are still challenging which are many. But you know, on the upside, I'm like, okay, we'll Harvey Weinstein's criminally charged Bill Cosby's in jail. People have a space has been created for people to tell stories, but you know, there are there's still these kind of massive things that don't change in a year. So, you know, one year is not going to equalize, the pay gap. One year is not going to kind of root out harassment and abusive behavior and all the equity so in a way, it's kind of like, I think you have to look at the strides that have been made and also acknowledge knowledgeably limitations acknowledged that. It's still a relatively new movement up against decades of shit can say, yeah. Yeah. Especially in this country. Yeah. Yeah. I struggle to figure out how to talk about the games. But I think right. Maybe may be step one was like the airing out of all the rich it being believed. I think then there's Cavanaugh Cavanaugh always, you know, kind of a psychic blow to this. You know? And I guess yeah. I struggled to to think about it too. Because it's like, you know, it's not a scorecard. So it's not like one Weinstein down one cabin up. Right. One of those is more important. Right. And I think if of course, the cavenaugh repercussions and the timeframe of it, you know, the reverberations of this person can go on for decades and decades. So I think that was a really rough psychic blow to the year in me to to slay. You know that? Yes, space have been created to talk. Yes. More people are being believed. But I think some people kind of looked at and I think this is misguided. I don't. That him being confirmed or not was a referendum or a test on whether or not metoo is real or has power or legs. But I just think it was kind of a it was a low moment, and it was a psychic blow to see all of these elements right there on display and such a big way. And then to see him go forth and be confirmed. Anyway, just like Clarence Thomas was twenty some odd years ago. So that was that was rough. It was very rough that was very hard. But maybe seeing how deep the Rocco's is kind of the Tilleke of that. We're trying to. Yeah. Look for silver linings, which are. Invade up. But yeah, I think to copy you and try to connect thinking about what's next for the environmental movement, and what's next for the women's movement or or metoo? I think facing the fact that you know, what do we mean when we say something like America was never great or sort of like looking at these institutions and thinking about how Clarence Thomas and Anita hill happened. And here we are again. Like, what do we do with feeling like there is this deep deep? It's rotted court. You know, you know, all these systems that we've come to rely on we're comfortable with and I think that losing comfort is really important for people to sort of feel for the first time. And I think a lot of people did with with Cavanaugh, even if they were not from that world, or they weren't you know, like, I like men in my orbit. I think were really some of them were shocked. By how? Not only how high up something like this could go. But then also how many women it resonated with? And I think that's valuable in there. Now, what's next we have to keep you know, Cavanaugh was confirmed because he means a lot to lot of people in terms of interests, right? If we can identify who's in who's interests are they and how do we kind of expose those players and kind of yet just gut that out. I think which is the same thing when we talk about fossil fuel is who who has a stake. I think that is important we didn't win. But maybe we learned like who's gonna want Cavanaugh an office and Ray willing to like who were those senators who area all much like, you know, it's a jealously. Yes. Like went in and made that made that yes vote. And and are we going to stand for that? I think maybe that is yes, let's pick off every single member of the Senate Judiciary committee. And that's I think a very valid in targeted goal to have coming out of that. And I think. You're right because I know some people who went through the whole year of me to and it wasn't until Cavanaugh that they then told their family in a conversation, perhaps there were differing that will you know, I shouldn't say anything for thirty years because I didn't say anything for thirty years either. And I think that was is much as it was a low and a difficult moment. I think it was sort of you hope that like if it felt like a few steps back that did thrust us forward and some other ways, and you have to wonder you know, what that coming right before the midterms? How did that impact? I mean, maybe all those people who voted for Alexandria, Cossio Cortez. We're gonna vote for her anyway. But I wonder how much that event galvanized people and like ignited fires in them to see that happening, and knowing that you know, what let's take this anger and passion and go do something productive with it. Yeah. I mean, I do think there's a lot of energy that they're definitely wasn't before. When everybody was just sort of complacent because they may be at a president that they thought how? A thought in his head or had a plan or would just take care of things or maybe they just trusted the people in charge, and the more that we come to understand whether it's through climate issues or metoo issues or just gross abuses of power that maybe we need to actually like pay attention to these people are doing I think the better, right? That is the one good thing here is that people are paying attention. They are angry. They want change. Hopefully, we can make it in time that we can all benefit from it or that your children. I do not have a good segue for this next thing, which is. Absolute glut of prestige television, I could make a really inappropriate joke here about like, I'm not going to sure. I know it was going to be something about like, a sooner. Well, okay, people are outraged. But also people are obsessed with television us a lot to talk about things like politics and social issues that is actually handmade larger. There has there's never been quite as heavy of sort of desire to escape as we have right now. I know that I go home. And I'm like the last thing I want to do is look at Twitter because God forbid, the president has tweeted something or like some terrible things happened. I find for a lot of people reality television has been escape. I happen to know that one Bridget reads to my right happened to spend some quality time at the cast Vander pump rules, which we unfo- dot com called. I believe the perfect reality. The most can you defend that statement? Oh, of course. I can I watch it for the record. Well, I wanna say that we vote dot com. We called out Sandra accustomed Cortez. The future of the Democratic Party before she won curl. If we're calling them. You heard it here the purse show, America's perfect reality show. Listen up America done. Dom dot com. We're also very excited about Lindsey Lowe hands rally, which is related because it's also about the staff is also restaurant. No, it is empty servants excise meals, and yet Vanderbilt is the ultimate escape, they, you know, are the obsolete opposite of true celebrity being fame for, you know, your profession, I guess if your profession is acting they're famous for being waiters. And even though the show is changing, they're still crazy people the do crazy things and don't hide it. And do it on camera. And it's wonderful. I do think I like reality TV because reality TV, resists the what does this mean? How do we analyze it kind of thing that I feel like we've just made ourselves deranged by about TV, the specially, but also like music like the thank you next article that went viral this. Week that was sort of taking it apart politically. And it seemed like start was not Ari. Arta peace. Yes. Exactly. And reality TV like you really can't write it solely resists the take. Right. There. Really is not right. Yes, peaceful. Yes. It can be hard to explain. I know I have been watching that show in my apartment before. And my partner will come through. And be like, why are you watching these old women yell at each other housewives? Yes. Housewives, but it's sort of true Vander pump to their slightly young women, but they'll just be shrieking. And you're like, this should be this should be the opposite of relaxing. But in fact, it's like just a mind vacation. Here's another thing that I will I will say in defense of TV as opposed to prestige television is it is cheap. And so that is one of the reasons that I I will defend my watching of it, even if it doesn't necessarily have the best socio political implication, cheap to make to make that it is not I brought up to you earlier. Maybe today or yesterday that this Netflix deal for Rennes where Netflix is gonna pay one hundred million dollars to Warner media or whoever to play friends a show from thirty. Thirty years ago and just each. Well, sorry, don't at me when we people gills. I mean how much money all these shows? You know, we pour into television at the moment the friends jail money into the green new deal. Thank you. Oh about that. How about they should all all the friends now should star in a PSA about the greedy. Neil. It's all them with love to your some of them are busy. But I'm sure some of them are not I just think prestige TV or TV in general, I think is kind of over. I dunno don't assessed Alzheimer do I feel oppressed by the amount. We are supposed to walk. I do actually I think there's it's very hard because you sort of fall behind I have to write about this stuff. So I feel like all have, you know, a list of things, and I start to watch the little drummer girl, which is fabulous. But then I'm also watching my brilliant friend, and now I'm behind in that, but it's also fabulous. And then, you know. No succession was succession was the only thing that. I actually I feel like I watched when I was supposed to watch. I really enjoyed it. And it was so smart Atlanta. I would sort of catch up with when I could I think that's such a good show. There's definitely as supposed to watch window where it hits. And then everybody is seemingly watching it. Texting about it and tweeting about it. And if you're not watching it, then you're a loser. And then miss it. And you totally miss it. And I think about I mean, this is a random thing think about, but it was like that Andy Sandberg Emmys opener ones that he did in recent years where he was like what into an underground bunker to try to catch up with all the shows that he wasn't watching all the prestige TV that he's supposed to watch that. He's not hadn't watched. That's me. You're really feel. Yeah. And I'm kind of given up in some as we're like, there are just a few things that I watch. But it was thinking today that because wrote something about the marvellous MRs Mazel, and I think one of the appeals of the show and the same with this is us, which is kind of not prestige. Don't worry. Don't worry. I won't try to start it as prestige, but I think like in this era, and and you always wanted to escape into reality TV, right? Like that that's been a thing. Now, you know, we wanted to watch the real the real world just to chill out like twenty years ago. But particularly when the news is so terrorizing oppressive. You really don't wanna watch. Like, I don't watch the Handmaid's tale because I don't want to be right. It's to relevant on the new. I don't wanna watch things that are dark or twisty because I feel like I get that dose of right bad energy. So I watched this as us or like, I think I think one of the things about the marvel MRs Musil that it's like bright and sunny and kinda frothy, and it has a different kind of sensibility than all of the like the world is rotting that we're getting elsewhere, which clearly we've disgusted are getting elsewhere. So I think our takeaways here or what stay up to mystic. Oh about all the things. Optimistic that makes you happy friends calf all the people green new deal. Not ask men Asmat about me to whenever and wherever possible challenge people in power, including the gods from friends. No, no, no underrated. Classic. Yes. Exact succession watched the funny succession, which is ships Greek. Oh, she is good to see that both of which are coming back. Hopefully, nineteen the whole the whole point of like they're fifty things that I would love to see that. I have never seen and actually we cover most of them on dot com. So come find us on vogue dot com in the culture section. We will have the heavy in the light for you. Hopefully, more light things to come in twenty nineteen. And thank you guys so much for coming in. Thank you for listening.

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Ep. 625 - A Truly Evil Ploy

The Ben Shapiro Show

55:43 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 625 - A Truly Evil Ploy

"Democrats pull in insane round manipulation regarding sexual assault allegations against Brad Kavanagh, and Bernie Sanders off the rails wants more. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro. Cavanaugh Cavanaugh and more Cavanaugh today because that is the only thing in the news. And it's the only thing in the news. For reason, I have never seen anything like this. I have never seen people throat an allegation with no supporting facts whatsoever. Admit that there are no supporting facts whatsoever. Admit, they don't know whether the allegation is true and still maintain the dudes. Life should be ruined over it. It's pretty unbelievable, but we'll get to all of that in just a second. First, let's talk about your comfort. 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So went from, here's a woman accusing a prospective supreme court nominee of sexual assault. Let's hear her story to you must not. Ask any questions whatsoever, and if you do, you are demonstrating you don't take her seriously. Also, you can't talk to her. So basically Democrats had here this woman's story and Republican said, okay, let's hear it. And Democrats had no never and Republicans will then how are we supposed to hear her still and Democrats? No, never. And that's pretty much where things stand right now as in her lawyer is now saying that there is no reason to have a hearing that instead they're going to throw this in lap of the FBI. As we discussed a couple of days ago, the FBI is not the magic police. Okay. They don't just go around investigating claims that are thirty six years old with no corroborative evidence. There's nothing for them to do here. No federal crime has actually been alleged this notion that the FBI is some sort of time cop and they can just go back in time and watch from outside the window with their spy glasses, and then see what Brad Kavanagh did at an unspecified date at an unspecified time in an unspecified location. That's crazy talk, but Democrats are trying to put that out there so that they don't have. Have a hearing. Now this is how you know that the allegations must not be all that credible. Even Democrats. It's a win for them to have a hearing right. Me houses go badly for them. Think thing about the logic. Let's say the Democrats have this year. Let's say that Christine blazey for the accuser comes forward. And let's say that she gives a tear filled interview about exactly what happened when Brett Cavanaugh allegedly thrust her into a room, jumped on top of her, tried to pull her close down and put his hand over her mouth while she was screaming. How exactly are Republicans going to look good coming out of that that this is the assumption last week. This is why so many Republicans were saying, let's not even do this hearing. Let's just go straight to the vote. The reason is because there's no way to win that PR battle. You got a woman who's alleging something terrible happen to her and a bunch of old white men asking her questions. How does that come off looking good for Republicans? Well, the only way it comes out looking good for Republicans is if there are holes in her story, if it looks like Democrats took a half baked story, threw it out there in order to stop cavenaugh and then her story falls apart publicly. That's the only plausible reason why Democrats don't actually want to hold this hearing. Does. Don't believe them when they say, well, we wicked shield the accuser from the pain of having to go through the story. Again, she's already told her story publicly. People are already sending death threats. They shouldn't be because that's evil, but people are already doing that. So the idea that she is going to minimize the the pain that she's feeling by not testifying is totally insane. Plus they could have this hearing behind closed doors. In fact, that's what Senator Chuck Grassley is calling for. Grassley has put out a long letter to Democrats this exactly right. He says, dear MRs cats and banks, that'd be the lawyers for this woman has thank you for your letter dated September eighteenth, two thousand eighteen. I was disturbed to read that your clients and her family have received threats of intimidation that's never appropriate and no one should be subject to that behavior. The FBI has supplemented judge Kavanagh's background investigation file. In light of the allegations, raised by client, Dr Christine, blazey Ford. The committee standard procedure for supplemented background investigations is to conduct phone or in person interviews with the relevant parties to discuss the underlying issues to that end committee. Staff has attempted to contact you directly by phone and Email several times to schedule a call at a time convenient for you and your client. We thus far have not heard back from you with regards to that request. Shocker, please contact committee staff, your earliest convenience to schedule that call at a time convenient for you and your client. As you know, I have reopened the hearing on judge Kavanagh's nomination, late of Dr Ford's allegation that hearing will begin again on Monday, September twenty. Fifth at ten AM have invited Dr Ford to testify regarding her allegations against judge Cavanaugh and in recognition of how difficult it can be to discuss allegations of this kind in public. I have also offered her the choice of testifying in either a public or closed session of the hearing is Grassley writing in response. My invitation, however, you wrote yesterday that quote, an FBI investigation of the incident should be the first step in addressing allegations. I certainly understand in respect Dr, Ford's desire for an investigation of allegations that is precisely what the Senate is doing. That is why investigators have asked to speak with your client. That is why I've invited doctor to tell her story to the Senate. And if she so chooses to the American people, it is not the FBI's role to investigate a matter such as this. Before nominating and individual to judicial or executive office. The White House directs the FBI to conduct background investigation the FBI compiles information about a perspective nominee and sends it to the White House. The White House then provides FBI background investigation files to the Senate as a courtesy to help us determine whether to confirm nominee the FBI does not make a credibility assessment of any information receives with respect when nominee, nor is it tasked with investigating a matter simply because the committee deems it important nicotine, you Grassley again, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee have reopened the hearing because I believe that anyone who comes forward with allegations of sexual assault has a right to be heard, and because it is the committee's responsibility to fully evaluate the fitness of a nominee to the supreme court. I therefore wanna give Dr Ford an opportunity to tell her story to the Senate. And if she chooses to the American people, I also want to give judge cabinet and opportunity to respond to the allegations. You've stated repeatedly, Dr. Ford wants to tell her story. I sincerely hope that's after four will accept my invitation to do so either privately or publicly on Monday. In the meantime, I staff would still welcome the opportune. Ready to speak with Dr Ford. I remind you that consistent with committee rules, Dr prepared testimony. Biography are due to the committee by ten AM on Friday, September twenty. First. If she intends to testify on Monday and her lawyers have come back and he said, no, we're not going to do any of this Trump. President Trump comes voices. Listen, it'd be wonderful if you showed up. So we could ask some serious questions about this. I really wanted to see her. I really would want to see what he has to say. I think he's an extraordinary man. I think he's a man of great intellect, as I've been telling you and he's has an unblemished record. This is a very tough thing for him and his family, and we want to get it over with at the time. We want to give tremendous amount of time if you show up. That would be wonderful if she doesn't show up, that would be fortunate. And of course, that's exactly right. Okay, that's exactly right. What Trump is saying that forget, we think Trump she has to show up so that we actually have some sort of questions that can be asked of this woman. Instead, what we're getting from left is. How dare you, how dare you. We tell the story either believe it or don't, but we're not giving you anything. Where can you anything you by this standard? It's not even worth while for the woman who have come forward. Dianne Feinstein should have just said there's an anonymous allegation that Brett Cavanaugh sexually assaulted someone in his teens. We're not coming forward with who she is. We're not coming forward with any information about what happened. We're not talking about where when why, how or who we're not gonna talk about any of those things and you must respect our non Mus allegation. There's a reason that there's such a thing as do process of law when it comes to the criminal courts, and there should be at least a modicum of due process when it comes to the court of public opinion as well. But Diane Feinstein who started this whole charade by receiving an this letter and then not saying anything about it for six weeks waiting till after Kavanagh's hearing waiting till after all of her written questions. Wait until after all verbal questions to cavenaugh and then releasing that that notice that she had this letter that was anonymous information from the non animus individual even Dianne Feinstein. Saying, I can't say everything is truthful. Well, if you can't say everything is truthful, then what the hell are we doing this for? If you can't say that you believe the accuser, then what are we doing this for and on what basis you believe the accuser and what you think the process should be going forward. And no, it doesn't help to just say, throw it to the FBI. I accused ion find San of eating small babies. You asked me what my evidence is. I don't have to show you my evidence that she eats small babies. I just all I can say is, I know that in the back room, Dianne Feinstein takes small children. Carves them up into little bits, eats their spleen, liver and appendix, and then proceeds to boil their legs and eat them too. And if you ask me what basis I have for such allegations, all I can say is, let's let the FBI look into it. What's let the FBI check it out? You don't have the right to ask me those sorts of questions. And if you ask me those sorts of questions, it's because you don't care about babies being eaten in the back room by old senators. You don't care about any of that stuff. You know who I know. 'cause you're asking me questions if you did care, you just finished. I find science career. This is really disgusting stuff. Here's Dianne Feinstein saying yesterday. I don't know that everything is truth. I don't know. Who knows whoop. Will I have no say I'm the lead democrat, but Republicans control. So this is all up to the Republican side. And I think truly too bad that no-one called her or called her lawyer understanding is she got emails and this is a woman and I really believe who's been profoundly impacted by this now, I can't say everything's truthful. I don't know. Oh, my guy to know that. They to contact her lawyers and our side isn't putting this together. The Republican side is putting together. This is insane. Okay. This is just insane. They didn't call her. They only emailed what so sure seem the emails you know about it so that people respond by Email all the time. I do it on a frequent basis. Email is a form of communication in two thousand eighteen. It turns out what in the world. And then there's Ford's lawyer supports lawyer comes forth and she says, listen, you know, we put out these allegations, but why should we rush to a hearing? There's no rush. Let's be real about what this is folks. This is a delaying tactic. Democrats are hoping that his whole thing drags all the way through the election on they have to do is drag the sucker out another six weeks. If they can drag it past the election, they're hoping desperately the Democrats clean up in the election. There's about a one into one in three chance that they actually win the Senate back what's said. They win the Senate back and then they just stifled cabinet nomination. In the same Republicans stifle merit Garland's nomination. They could do that and that's their great hope here. That's what they're doing. This looks like a political hit. Again, maybe the ladies telling the truth, she's not providing any evidence that she's telling the truth, like none. Okay. Her saying something I've had bad things happen to me in my life and I could provide you if I wanted to bring them forth. I could ride you corroborative detail of pride you witnesses that could provide you time and place, and these are things that happen. 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Don't you think. Washington Post reported it, they reported the ROY Moore allegations, don't you think they would have checked it out, gone invented it down to the ground, but they couldn't. And so instead I n Feinstein leaked anonymous allegations out into the public and then shock of shocks. It turns out that the lady feels like she needs to come forward because now it's public enough that people are tracking her down weird how that works, that sort of medium nation works. You release a letter to a politician, you say, keep my name out of it. The politician releases the letter without your name in it and two days later you're coming forth. Whose fault is it that this whole thing was released. Diane Feinstein's. Okay. She's currently able to go home and is receiving ongoing threats to her and her family safety. Listen, I know what that feels like. It's terrible. It is terrible and obviously evil. Nobody should be threatening anybody else in the United States violence. That's not a thing, but that doesn't mean they get to hide behind safety threats. Not to testify about matters that impact the entire fate of the supreme court going forward. Her lawyer says fairness and respect for her situation dictate you should have time to deal with this. No, that is not what fairness respect pay. That is not fairness. Respect dictate fares spectate that people should be prosecuted for threatening her. They do not dictate that. She has to be given a year to deal with the emotional pain of an allegation that actually has impact on public discourse. She continues to believe that a full non partisan investigation of this matter is needed and she's willing to cooperate with the committee. However, the committee stated plan to move forward with a hearing that has only two witnesses is not a fair or good faith. Investigation there. Multiple witnesses whose names have appeared publicly and should be included in any preceding. Okay. So why don't Democrats say that? Why don't they say, okay, we'll have the hearing. But we're also gonna need to hear from our judge and a bunch of other people. They're not doing that. They're saying no hearing which is pretty suspicious. Now, the second we're going to talk about what's emigrants are really up to hear. Democrats are really up to. So what are Democrats really up to here? They're trying to shift the entire nature of the conversation from guilt or innocence and toward look him. Mean Republicans are who come mean they are Freeman asking questions. It shows they don't understand pain. Now, couple of days ago, the execrable Annemarie Cox over on MSNBC shiver wildcat. She suggested that if there was a hearing, Brett cabinet wouldn't just have to demonstrate his innocence. He wouldn't even have to debunk the case. He had to show that he understood the pain of woman. He says, it's falsely accusing him of alleged rape attempted rape. He should have to feel, but that's the that's the new tap. So when the Democrats don't have the facts on their side, they argued law and they would have the law on their side. They argue the feelings that's that's really what this is. So Kirsten gillibrand who is just the worst. I mean, Kirsten gillibrand is. I'm just a garbage human being MS, a person who basically said that l. Franken should be ousted from the Senate over allegations that he was touching women inappropriately and then backtracked on that. She's switched every position she's ever held noon. This is this is a person when I when people say you have your finger in the wind feel which way the wind is blowing than the shift with the win. She is a she is the little rooster on top of the farmhouse it. She doesn't have her finger in the wind. She's a weathervane. She's an actual human weathervane. So here is Kirsten gillibrand saying the GOP is trying to bully. So let's get this right? If the GOP doesn't have a hearing, that's bullying if the GOP does have a hearing that's bullying. It seems like you might have an unfalsifiable thesis. Their Kirsten here she has explaining they are creating a false choice. They're trying to bully her into testifying on Monday before a full f. b. i. background check is completed first nomination for the supreme court for any judicial nomination. There's always an FBI investigation. They do it as part of the background check this. Gatien is new. They should have at least that thorough nonpartisan review of the facts. And those facts can be presented to the senators so they can have a proper hearing. But unfortunately, they're trying to set up a. He said, she said scenario and bully her into either testifying on Monday or not being heard at all? No. What if you've been got back to them and said, okay, you don't want to testify Wednesday. Try Friday, but instead you're getting back and you're saying we're not testifying at all the FBI does exactly what we want. These are the same folks on the left who say the FBI should not be used as a political tool by the administration. Really. These are the same folks on the left saying Donald Trump's interference with the FBI is politically inappropriate. I agree if you were interfering with the FBI and yet these are folks who are now using the f. b. i. as a weapon against Brett cavenaugh knowing full well, this is not the FBI's job in this situation. The FBI's job is not to be the fact checker for non Mus. Unverified allegations that is not the FBI's job. Their job is to make clear to the committee what matters they have heard about. They don't check into the or the veracity of every allegation that is made. That's insane. That's what Senate committees are for. It's their job to investigate, and if Democrats have something by the way, you think Democrats don't have investigators on their payroll thing. Democrats don't have people who they can pay. You know, I don't know fusion GPS seems like they have some time these days. You think they don't have people who can dig down and to. Apple research and research the stuff and come up with something with this really mostly looks like is Democrats trying to cover for the fact that they've got nothing here. Ed Wieland over at national review is not known as a guy who says inflammatory things, and we'll and he's president of the ethics and policy center issued a series of posts this week. He said by one week from today, expect the judge Cavanaugh will have been clearly vindicated. On this matter. Specifically, I expect a compelling evidence will show his categorical denial to be truthful. There will be no cloud over him. Senator Feinstein will soon be apologizing to judge cavenaugh. The accusations will been shown to be deeply unjust. Wieland is not a guy to get over his skis. I've dealt with that we win when I had criticisms about Brett Cavanaugh and Wieland critiqued the criticisms of bread Cava and some cases, I think that he was totally right. This is a guy who actually does his research. We wind suggested that there may be some provable wrongdoing, but not on cavenaugh sites and funny how Turney didn't seek an investigation two months ago a week from now, I doubt any fair-minded person will think that any further investigation is necessary. At least not concerning any alleged wrongdoing by Cavanaugh. So fed Wieland hasn't been formation on this and it does break. It's going to be just humiliating for Democrats. But here's the thing. Democrats don't care whether it's true or not. In the end. That's the bottom line. Democrats do not give one good damn about whether these allegations are true. All they care about is destroying, bet. Cavenaugh. All they care about is delaying this until after the election. 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It is my understanding the committee has offered to hold either a public or private session, whichever would make her more comfortable. And then Susan Collins came out and said for saying this, she's received death threats which prompted Eric swallow. Democratic Representative to tweet is twenty four to tweet this out. He tweeted, boo, you're a Senator who police will protect a sexual assault victim. Can't sleep in her home tonight because of threats. Where are you sleeping? She's on her own while you and your Senate GOP. Tried to rusher through hearing boohoo yet? No, this'll guilt or innocence guys. This isn't about demagoguery at all. Speaking about the media's demagoguery in the media. Demagoguery on this issue is just absurd. It's absurd. You're seeing purportedly objective news reports, say the most ridiculous crap. I have ever seen about any allegations of any sort. It really is like fully insane stuff. Terry Moran was tweeting me this morning. He's the chief foreign correspondent for ABC. I don't know what he would know about. You know, alleged rape allegations is the chief foreign correspondent for ABC news I tweeted out the point is, is is not that we should disbelieve a women. We should give women the presumption of truth, but then we should ask for supporting details in evidence if we actually give good damn about two processor truth itself and Terry Moran tweeted back at me agreed one way. Witnesses are discredited at trial is through evidence. They had fabricated before. People don't just decided fifty one years old to tell a giant public WI evidence of prior fabrication and a witnesses. Life is important. So is its absence, not as poverty deposited but probitive. So in other words, she hasn't said anything so we should believe her. That's what he's actually saying that, right. What he's saying is you haven't provided any evidence that she fabricated this, so we should believe it. That shifts the entire burden of proof to Brett Cavanaugh to disproven allegation. That is so vague. We don't know when or where it happened. This is how the media are treating this. You talk about lack of seriousness. How're the media treaties there in in most insane possible fashion there. Now, two different people who went to school with the with this accuser who have suggested that she's telling the truth, but then under questioning it turns out they don't know anything about breath cavenaugh. So one of them is named Gary, I and and here's what she had to say she she was on CNN is a former friend and ex classmate of cabinet accuser. Here's what she had. She's featured on CNN as a source who would know watch how this goes. You know, one of the things that's been surprising to me as I've gotten involved in this in the last couple of days is how many women of my class have come forward to me in this last few days and said, I had similar experiences in high school, and this hits me very deeply, and I. But with other boys in our community, what the actual s what in the world. So this, how this works now, but the OJ trial, you say, you know what? I have had experiences, right? The prosecutes has. There are lots of people have had experiences in which people were murdered, not by OJ, but by other people. And what he's supposed to do with that. Like yes, watts of women have had bad experiences with men in which they were sexually abused or assaulted. That's awful. What does that have to do with breath have? No, this is the social Justice left at its finest, what social Justice. There's li- social justices evil, social justices actually evil, because social Justice implies that individual Justice is not enough. Justice does not need a modifier. Justice is about guilt or innocence justices about true or false. If I q Senna of having done something, I can't just say, listen, listen, send. You comes from a privileged first of all she doesn't. But if I said her send, you come from a privileged group. Therefore it doesn't matter whether you did something to me, it just matters that your group was privileged. And therefore if anybody of your group ever victimized anybody of my group, therefore you must have victimized me. It doesn't matter if you're guilty or innocent. Let's say that some I accused somebody from Germany of doing something to me, there's no evidence that happened, but I said, you know what? Back in the day, all of my grandparents, relatives were slaughtered in Europe, your grandparents, all of them. Therefore you raped me what that does not follow in the slightest. But the social Justice warriors in the name of Justice in the name of rectify the imbalance between men and women. Brett Cavanaugh must be burned the steak. He is a man. There's women made now aggression Burnham Burnham right now strew up Burnham that's that's all we can do in the name of social Justice because they're disproportions between groups because men have been in charge of the patriarchy for too long. And it doesn't matter if women have. Actually, if this woman was victimized by Brad Kavanagh, that doesn't matter at all this cut. So against the nature of western civilization, it cuts so against the nature of basic humanity and Justice. It's insane. It's insane. Then it wasn't just this woman, Gary, who's out there saying, well, you know, lots of women. I know from my high school, they had bad experiences with men. So what what does that have to do with anything is not just her? There's another. Woman who came forward and she went to high school with Christine, blazey Ford, and she posted a note as long note all about how she knew the cavenaugh allegations were true. Naturally. This drove a lot of media interest rates. This very, very long note about how all of the allegations are. Definitely definitely true, and the media jumps on this. They say, oh my God. We finally have confirmation right me too long note, and here's what you wrote in the note. I signed this letter. It makes me proud to have attended Holton arms. That's the high school that Christine blazey. Ford went to the current situation involving Dr Christine, blazey Ford and supreme court. Justice nominee Brett cabinet touches a very personal nerve and has unearthed memories good and bad that I had buried deep from my time at Holton. I graduated from Holton new boat Brett and not not well marked judge. I remember having a bit of a crush remark. He had a keen intelligence in Sardana biting wit when he wasn't drunk, which was often as we're lots of teenage guys from prep. I asked him to go to my junior or senior prom with me, can't remember which one. I just remember how horrible I felt when he stood me up because he got bombed a few hours before the prompt dinner. He showed no respect and had no remorse. Apparently. In two thousand eighteen. Some things have not changed. Unfortunately, first of all, it's not a sex assault allegation. That's him being jerk allegation. Christine blazey Ford was year or so behind me, I did not know her personally, but I remember her this incident did happen. This is the part where everybody went. Okay. Now we're listening. Many of us heard a buzz about it indirectly with few specific details. However, Christine's vivid recollection should be more than enough for us to truly deeply. No, the accusation is true. We are all in some way from that time at least me Christine. And I applaud her courage and dignity the drinking in -sconsin the puritanism and hypocrisy of that elite privileged, mostly white Catholic Washington society was completely out of control. We were teenagers and did really stupid, abusive dangerous things. I invite the women who stepped up in support for Cavanaugh in their letter in addition to writing about what a good person great athlete student family men and brilliant professional Brett cabinet is that he may well be all those things to reflect on use of the word integrity to describe him and to really think about who they are supporting and why. In my case, even before Christine came forward, I was still completely against his nomination. And then and then it says. He, he goes against me no matter how fine a person, upstanding citizen he may be. So this entire letter is basically, I hate brick have not didn't want on the supreme court. And I know the allegations are true. So she says she knows the allegations are true and the media say, wow, a woman who says she heard about the this would be the first contemporaneous account of the story, right? Because the first time we heard this story apparently was twenty twelve when Christine blazey Foxworth therapist. So that's the first time strolled anybody outside of her husband who she wants mentioned this to two thousand two, apparently. But now we have something corroborative a contemporaneous account of Christine blazey Ford talking about being sexually assaulted by brick cabin in nineteen eighty two. Except it's bullcrap. How do we know spoke Sean NPR she based. She pulled down first of all, she deleted her post. Then she said, why didn't really mean for people to take that all that seriously? And then she went on NPR and this is clipped twenty two here is what she had to say about this that it happened or not. I have no idea. I can't say that it did or didn't in my post. I was, you know, empowered and I were sure it probably did. I had no idea that I would have to now, you know, go to the specifics and it before fifty cable channels and have my face spread over MS NBC news and Twitter, I felt empowered and I didn't feel like I had to defend it. That's pretty much social Justice in a nutshell within it. The social Justice warriors, I felt empowered so I could speak complete crap directly from my anus and wouldn't actually matter whether I was telling the truth, unbelievable. I could actually substitute my my mouth. My bile duct and everything would be fine because I felt empowered. Screw anyone who believes this way. Anybody who believes that you're feeling of empowerment. Trump's, the truth or basic human decency is a vile. Human being is a vile thing to say, it's a vile, nasty, horrible thing to say, and it gets even more vile and more horrible. I mean, this is it's the worst nerve ever seen if they've got no more evidence than this. It's the worst ner I have ever seen in my life. I mean that barn on that includes the stuff Democrats said about Romney about him trying to put people back in chains that includes the crap. The Democrats said about John McCain, not being able to use a computer because his hands were actually wounded in Vietnam includes everything to take an accusation that has no verifying detail and then say, you know what? We don't need verifying detail because it makes us feel empowered. You go straight to hell because you will. I mean, this is this is a hell, go and kind of thing. I mean this, this is a sin of egregious proportions. I'll get to more than just a second, but I well, I'm about to stroke out here. Let's talk about life insurance. Okay. You actually need life insurance. If you don't, if you don't. Your family bereft. When you plots you should go check out policy, genius dot com. Right now. Forty percents of Americans still don't have it. 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At I tunes, we always appreciate leaving a comment and review that does help us go check it out. We are the largest fastest growing conservative podcast in the nation. So what this has more into now is basically Democrats saying that it doesn't matter whether it's to reform it promotes narrative that we like the nerd of the men are evil, and women are innocent and no woman would ever accused man of anything bad and no man can ever defend himself from anything. There's an article I kid you not at Yahoo today by Matt guy. I and the article essentially suggests that Brett Cavanaugh should shut it that Brett Kavanagh's denial is actually evidence of his guilt that Brett Kavanagh's denial demonstrates that Brett Cavanaugh doesn't understand the needs of women. No, I am not kidding you. That's an actual thing. Okay. It's truly insane peace and it's not the only insane piece today. There are a bevy of insane pieces today coming from people who obviously do not give any any craps. None as far as as far as whether they believe that Cavanaugh is guilty or innocent, it's truly insane. I, it's a truly insane place that we are now in so on has a piece today call men are more afraid than ever. Mike have not. Advocates would rather defend malfeasance than tonight, and it's all about all these people who are defending breath Kavanagh supposed- malfeasance suggesting that you know, people who send in their youth should not be punished. Now. I don't think that's the strongest offense for by cabin. I think the strongest defense, Rebecca cabinet is it didn't happen, right? That's the strongest defensive Brad enough. But the part of this piece that's crazy is this, this is a piece I've been trying to find the author lily loose Barreau. So here's what she writes. She writes. She writes, many of us I include myself are almost persuaded that men are suffering greatly. Many of us have been trained from birth to believe that men, unlike women are long suffering and stoic, that means der pain. When they do express it, strikes us as almost wholly it took me decades to realize something like the opposite is true. It's not the men's pain isn't real. It's their culture vastly overestimates it a certain kind of man not getting exactly what he wants precisely when he wants. It will truly believe he's suffering more than a woman pain who has never been told that what she wants might matter while it doesn't make him a liar. It does limit him and blind him to those limits. So in other words, it doesn't matter if a man claims something we can't believe him because there's been a patriarchal imbalanced. Molly ball has the worst piece I think. And I honestly, there's like piece after piece today. That's really, really awful. There's got him Cianci. Vega writing it salon talking about Brett cabinet is a blend of toxic male privilege, an affluent area based on an allegation that has been unproved. Here's what here's what this idiot says during his confirmation. Action hearings cabinet has by some accounts committed perjury. He did not his been less than forthcoming about his views on women's rights to control their own bodies. Those views are not relevant to a judge and whether those being those are being absolute and fully protected by the constitution Kavanagh's record also shows he does not believe that the civil rights of black and Brown people in other marginalized groups should be protected right this. This is the reason why we should believe these allegations. The reason we should believe these allegations is because obviously Kavanagh's a bad guy because he doesn't believe like Democrats believe Kavanagh's. Defenders make excuses for his alleged sexual assault and attempted rape of Christine, blazey Ford. They are endorsing channeling white male privilege and toxic white masculinity in America. Those unearned advantages are almost exclusive. Province of those are white and male. This type of white entitlements is also amplified and exaggerated for rich, white, conservative, heterosexual men. Now I wanna point out here. There are bunch of conservatives who've been saying stuff like, well, if you actually did this, then maybe we should still let it go. It was a long time ago. I'm not a big fan of that particular line of argumentation. But the left is jumping on that line because they want to avoid the actual implication of all these arguments which is that it may not have happened at all, and that's where we come to this the best of all articles, this one from time magazine, I'll get to that one in just a second. I, I have to tell you this is there's an insane accusation from Huffington Post because there's an insane accusation from Huffington Post. Here's the accusation when you talk about media coverage that is just garbage. Oh, this one is from Huffington Post your for this. You're not you think you are, but you're not this from Emily pack Brett Cavanaugh white female Clark's who looked a certain way Yale student was told a few years ago issues prepping to interview for judicial clerkship. A student Yale Law School received a troubling combination of warning and advice from her professors about one federal judge. In particular, Brad Kavanagh shoes told liked his female clerks to have quote, a certain look right now cabinet nomination to the supreme court hangs in the balance as he faces an accusation that he sexually assaulted a girl in high school. The professors proffering the advice are themselves well known both jed Ruben feld and his wife. Amy Chua told us what about Kavanagh's preferences? Then Cavanaugh was simply known as a prestigious judge on the DC circuit court of appeals, though neither said the judge did anything untoward regarding the women. He worked with the student found their council off pudding. So in other words, there is no actual allegation. Kavanagh did anything wrong, but once upon a time, people said that Brett cabinet liked young clerks in his office to look a certain way and we don't know the time. Is that a matter of dress? Is that a matter of what we have? No idea. We don't have any clue they. It's just like, how is this anything? Short of Justice. MIR this, I love. This should vise me to be to be address outgoing. She strongly urged me to send her pictures of what I was thinking of wearing so she could evaluate. I did not. Well, like any employer might want to know whether you're going to walk into the office wearing a bra. Like, I don't even know what this means like Amy CHU is a big advocate of the idea by the way. That people should dress for success. So maybe that's one of the things that she is suggesting here we have no idea. All we have is a vague allegation for person who's never met wreck. Cavenaugh saying a third party said he liked his young clerks to look at particular way. This is enough. Obviously, this means that when he was seventeen, he tried to rape somebody clearly clearly the best article of all comes courtesy of Molly ball, hit over at time dot com. And here's where he really gets in the nub of it. Democrats are trying to restart the worn women Meam based on a fact free allegation made with no support supporting evidence from the beginning says, Molly, bald women were determined to be disruptive, their setback covenant, looking every bit, the world's most decent man with his even demeanor, sparkling resume, ready to go through the motions and receive the benediction of the senators before him since the day of his nomination to the supreme court cabinet had portrayed himself as a champion of women in producing himself to the nation. He emphasized the women. He cherished saying his mother, a judge zone role model talking about his daughters and the majority of female law clerks. He'd hired members of the girls basketball teams. He's coached, sat in the front rows behind him. At his Senate confirmation hearing earlier hit recited the names of his daughters teammates, Anna Quinn, Kelsey, Seon, Chloe, Alex, Eva Sophian Margaret. I love helping the girls grow into confident players. He had spent a lifetime pushing all the right buttons and nothing seemed to stand between the federal judge and seat on the nation's highest court. But one after another women interrupted still. She persisted protesters popped up in the back of the room, yelling and waving sons before being hustled out by by police women senators spoke out of turn. Mr Chairman liked to be recognized pled temocratic Kamala Harris, California to no avail. Cavanaugh sat quietly in the middle of it, a terrific smile on his face, but the women, it turned out were not done disrupting him just when the end seemed in sight. His confirmation vote less than a week away after hearing that it turned up no more than usual. Parson angst, Christine, blazey Ford. A Californian college professor decided to put her name to a devastating accusation charging that some thirty six years prior when they're both in high school cabinet had sexually assaulted her. It was a hazy. Accusation hesitantly law short on detail, and curiously timed but Ford's charged shattered Kavanagh's carefully crafted Tableau calling into doubt the image. He projected the row of young girls legs. Bear in their private school skirts looked different now. K. so him having bunch of girls, he coaches in basketball, come to hearing different may be Kevin. What's the implication? The cavenaugh abuse them is the implication of having did something to them because that's BS accusation got any evidence Molly boat or just going to throw it out there. All women are victims Kamala Harris victimized just as Christine blazey Ford victimized just as the women on Brent Kavanagh's the little girls on brick having those basketball team or victimize women are victims. That's the final pitch. That's the election pitch and of story. That's what this entire thing is about. All of this boils down to just a couple of words. Three really women are victims. That's it. That's the only pitch Democrats have to make here because they can't make true or false pitch. They won't even put this lady in front of a hearing, even behind closed doors. It will never talk with senators. They won't provide any supporting evidence. Nothing and we're supposed to buy that. We're supposed to sit here and pretend that that's okay. That's okay to destroy America's unity on the basis of allegations that have no verifiability without any questions being asked and that if you ask a question of means you're a sexist. Honestly, if you believe that's what America is all about. You do not understand what America's all about. Due process of law is probably the most key elements of the constitution of the United States. Now, the Democrats have proved they don't like the first or the second amendments have determined that they don't actually like the fifth amendment either. They don't like do process of was something that has to go completely by the wayside what absolute insanity, what absolute insanity. And of course, this is all electoral politics. We know this is all electoral politics, and it's it's, it's clear this Chris Matthews on MSNBC make this absolutely clear because Matthew mistake says, well, you're what happened? What? What Christine blazey for talked about before the election, democrat Republican should dumb Cavanaugh. Who knows? I got the morning show here, photography people, a one craze Mahan that Blaine give me a Cup of coffee, Kathleen around hotels. I love her woman. I mean, she superior come out of the show go. I can give a scenario for both of you. The Republicans will not like they confirm. Comment on next thirsting. He becomes a lifetime member, the supreme court. He's in business on the court deciding issues like Roe v, Wade and things like that and come Sunday night or Monday night before the next election mid-term elections. The accuser doctor for appears on television and gives her full story to a reporter to anchor person and it's deadly. Okay. That's exactly what Chris Matthews wants to happen, but here's the problem. If you don't have any supporting evidence, if the Republicans call your bluff and you got nothing it host. You got a problem on your hands. Okay. Time for some things. I like it and then some things that I hate, and then we'll do an uplifting song because men I, I need a little bit of calling after after this episode so time for some things. I like the thing I like I've been reading this biography of Adam Smith who is indeed the father of economics book by Jesse Norman, and it's just great if you've never actually read the wealth of nations or the or his theory of of morals. All his work is terrific. Adam Smith is very readable for somebody who's writing in. Seventeen seventy three. This is a guy who's really, really readable, but if you don't have time for that and you just wanna kind of the main idea, just enormous great job of sketchy out. Adam Smith's life and interspersed explanations of where his thought comes from. It's a really great primer on both the idea that there is a the, that there is a free market ideology that exists for a reason and also that that is backed by a theory of moral sensibility that has roots in western civilization, so go check it out. Adam Smith economics from Jessye Norman. The only part of the book that I disagree with is Jesse Norman tends to be more of a compassionate conservative type. So he says that Adam Smith's economics is, is I think more palliative more sort of. It worked in concert with with big government programs than I think Adam Smith actually does, but you can go check it out ams with economics, Jessye Norman, really, really good book worth reading. Okay. Time for some things that I hate. So Bernie Sanders is back and Bernie Sanders is making crazier and crazier allegations, because here's the thing if Bernie Sanders wants to keep outflanking his own party, he's going to have to keep moving to the left. They're moving fast to the left so fast. In fact, the Bernie Sanders is now looking like a moderate inside his own party. So time from to break out the full Noam Chomsky. He's on with Sarah Silverman. Who was she ever funny there? Ellegation Sarah Silverman was at one point. Funny. I've never found her particularly humorous. Yes, humorous objective, and that's my opinion. Congratulations. But here's Sarah Silverman whose entire stick used to be doing potty mouth routines and a little girl voice. Now she's interviewing Bernie Sanders. And Bernie Sanders says America's a terrible, terrible, terrible place. Somehow he's been able to become extraordinarily famous and live wealthy lifestyle in this terrible, terrible, terrible place without ever doing a shred of useful work. But here he is criticizing the United States. This is the United States Senate. I can't know now it's something we just stalled little children. We go bomb houses and buses of children that we give tax breaks to bite us, but we don't do sturdy. No. Okay. So that that's what we do in America. We starve little children by the way, America's responsible for bringing more people out of starvation than any force in human history. Any force in human history worldwide. Poverty has been halved since nineteen eighty s because the power of the American economy and free markets that he opposes by the way and it we always bomb children, you know, like when we actually got rid of Saddam Hussein or when we actually bombed Assad because he's been murdering children or when we ended World War Two or when we ended the communist regime in Russia. Now, all of those things really about America being a terrible, terrible, horrible place. That's all we are. All America is a place that does terrible things. This is why they're this conflict divisions between left and right. I'm not sure this bridgeable if you actually believe Howard's ins version of history. America needs to be replaced as an entity and needs to be completely torn down and built back up from the roots by idiots. Like Bernie Sanders. That's what we absolutely need because Bundy found the says, America's a terrible place, terrible terrible place where he grew up to, again, wealth and privilege. And again by any measure by any measure, the dude lives, he's got a lake house come on and we're, and we're supposed to believe that that America's terrible, awful, awful place. He's very upset though that he can't use dirty words on the Senate floor. First of all, I think that we should be able to use dirty words on the Senate floor because I'd like to see who exactly like this. This kind of veneer of civility in the Senate is bunch of nonsense. Anyway, I'd like to see how these folks used already words because I think that Bernie Sanders cursing would be so much more entertaining than Bernie Sanders. Not cursing. I just wanna see, Bernie Sanders us like all George carlin's words. I think it would be very, amusing are on the meat is just throw. Just incredible. But Bernie's again, there's a theory on the left that every bad that happens uniquely American in every good that happens is unique is universal to humanity. So people rising from poverty human rights, individual rights. These are these are outgrowths of universal visions of humanity, but war famine s because of America you have to be a full-fledged idiot to believe this, his speaking of full-fledged idiots, there's a piece I have two comments on this because it's so absurd. There's a piece that has been put forth by some woman named. I think it's Becca, Lou Rebecca Lewis, Rebecca Lewis, and it's a piece over data society dot net, which I've never heard of before, but it's getting some planned line and it says, alternative influence broadcasting the reactionary right on YouTube new data and society report by researcher. Rebecca Lewis presents data from approximately sixty five political influencers across Eighty-one channels. So identified the alternative influence network in alternative media system that adopts techniques, brand influencers to build audience and sell them. Article ideology. The idea behind the study is that YouTube encourages people to go to the alright via things like my show. How do they make this case the way they make this case that they say, well, Shapiro ones hosted Jordan Peterson, Jordan Peterson was one on Ruben. Dave. Rubin once had Stephen Mulinuu on stiff Sophon Malu once was on with Richard Spencer, therefore, Ben Shapiro and Richard Spencer are linked, can we are now playing six degrees of Kevin bacon. You know what else I've been on CNN you know, who else has been on CNN Louis Farrakhan. Does that mean that Louis Farrakhan and are linked it what? What absolute utter horse crab. But this is the way that the media try to smear people with connections there. Okay, we're, we're, we're not going to actually go after your ideas. We're going to go after the fact that you were once in a room with x and not just not not the friends that person now that you're like hugging that person and and you're Mirroring their ideology, but you were once in a room with a person who is in a room with ex. Yes. Great takedown guys really, really, really genius. Okay. Final thing that I hate today, so President Trump didn't interview at the hill and he, he said, a very silly thing about President Bush. One of my great era tents is that after the Republican party spent years and years and years, defending George W Bush's good man, president trenches Trump has been years and years and years, tearing President Bush down as the President Bush is a bad man. And I think this is a bunch four scrap, here's President Trump saying the George W Bush made the worst mistake in the history of the country which held a claim. So President Trump, I guess we don't have the clip. The President Trump said that Bush Bush Iraq. War was the worst mistake in the history of the country. So the worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country going into the Middle East by President Bush Obama may have gotten soldiers out wrong, but going into me is the biggest single mistake made in the history of the country. And now you may say that that going into Iraq was a mistake. Although, again, virtually everybody from both parties supported it, including President Trump when it first came around, but to say the worst mistake in the history of our country, like we had slavery full-fledged slavery in this country for four generations from founding that seems like a pretty big mistake. And then there was Jim crow, which dominated the south for another hundred years. It seems like a fairly large mistake. It seems like you jenex programs on the state law that seems like that might have been part of a large mistake. It seems like in terms of foreign policy, abandoning a rock and letting Icis rise met had been kind of a huge mistake, not bombing the tracks on the way to Auschwitz. That might have been a big mistake during World War Two shutting our borders to Jews, trying to escape them. Mistake, you know, Japanese internment that could have been kind of a big mistake to look in a few mistakes. But this this outsize rhetoric with regards to the war in Iraq. All it does is promote a foreign policy. That is, I think, in ideology not accurate, and in some ways unhinged you can disagree with the war in Iraq and say that it was a war that was unnecessary and still recognize that that it was not the kind of mistake that Trump is making it out to be a historic mistake of cataclysmic proportions. That's just not accurate. Okay. Time for a quick soem because come on, we all need a soem because it's been a long show and loan week, and I just came back from a really nice, Yom Kippur by the way legume poor was it was really great. I got to spend inch in shoal just praying and convening with God and and pouring out my my heart to God. That was a really nice thing. It's actually really, it's more when my dad used to say it was a favorite holiday used to think that's crazy because he can't eat. You can't drink and it's quickly growing on anyway. The the psalms chapter nine. We do want week, so we're all the way up to chapter nine. It's all about thinking God with all my heart. It's as our was Joyce and exhort with you. I will sing your praises to the most high name. When my enemies draw backward, they stumble in our destroyed from before you for you have perform my judgment my 'cause you sat on the throne, judge of righteousness. You rebukes nations. You destroyed a wicked man. You'll race their name forever and ever. The enemy has been destroyed swords exist forever, and you have uprooted, the cities, their members lost, but the Lord Chelsea forever. He has established his throne for judgment, but he judges the world with richness kingdoms with equity and the Lord chubby fortress for the crush to four, Chris, for times of distress. I think that the the, what's what's great about this particular psalm is that he suggests that it's not just individuals who are judge. Nations are judged as well. At the very end of the, it says, arise, O Lord lemon have no power may the nation's be judged for your anger ole Lord place mastery over them what the nation's know that they are forever moral man. There's this feeling that that I think a lot of people have both left and right that nations are eternal and matter what we do, a nation can. Go the wave a dodo bird a nation will simply exist. There will be no consequences to the bad decisions that we make. The reality of course, the nations are made up of individual human beings. If those individual human beings pursue bad purposes, it will tear the nation apart. My view of God is the God is active in the universe, but he's also in he's in eventuality. God is the predictable result of actions that you take that are immoral and the and the actions that we take their moral, the tear down our nation from within once we have hollowed ourselves out. Then of course, it's a reminder that we are all mortal and in the end, the nation collapses along with the individuals who comprise that nation already. We'll be back here tomorrow with all his plus the mail bag. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. The Ben Shapiro show is produced by Senna. Villarreal executive producer, Jeremy, boring, senior producer, Jonathan, hey, our supervising producer as Mathis Glover and our technical producer is Austin Stevens edited by Alexandra. Audio is mixed by micrometer. Herron makeup is by just while Veira. The Ben Shapiro show is a daily wire Ford publishing production. Copyright Ford publishing twenty eighteen.

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Ep.139 | Graham Allen Joins the Show & Obama's Shady Past and Present

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Ep.139 | Graham Allen Joins the Show & Obama's Shady Past and Present

"The blaze radio network. On demand. This is the news why? Why matters. Hey, I'm Sarah Gonzales. Welcome to the news and why it matters. We are joined by special guests. Graham Allen with. Much for being on for having me. I really appreciate it quickly before we get into the conversation, tell people where they can find you. Oh, so money's grim. Alan host a show on crtv called rant nation. So you find me there. You're funny. Thank you. That's one of the nicer things people. I hope you die. Glenn top story stories Cavanaugh and the way that the Republicans have played this, it's already starting to show in the polls, and it's going to show in the election, and I think it's the first time I think in my lifetime that this is this is almost a perfect way to handle something like this Republicans never do it right. One of Glenn's most famous comments I would say is incorrect. We've run for your life, you know proof for it. You know, you called famously called President Obama racist, and that was that was wrong. We learned today that he's racist against black people and white people. He actually doesn't like either one and we'll show you the. This is their mazing Graham. I think it's the same thing that Glenn said, you know, the cavenaugh thing, we have the FBI the, you know, the, it seems like one million investigation at this point and the fact that it was never about finding the truth. I don't believe the Democrats ever really cared. If anything happened to Dr Ford at all. It's all been a political ploy or chess game to delay, delay delay for their undermining agenda. I don't know if you saw CNN last night, but. I'm sorry. I forgot who I've talked. I missed that. Where we want to make sure to thank our sponsor patriot. So you know, I didn't. I had no idea before I started working here that every day I was every month. 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So you could afford things and you're fighting against goes to the very places oleo wanted to. You can go to patriot mobile dot com slash news. Are you listening right now for four, four dollars a month is starting at you can get select Android an iphone. So patriot mobile dot com slash news or eight hundred a patriot. Okay. All right into the latest and greatest. Are we done with this next week? Monday, we should have wrap up show and then we'll forget he was even ever even a he now, but because I think there will be protests and well, I don't know. I will say this, the left will make sure they forgot about Ford. Never think is here. Here about again is. Yeah, exactly, right. So my thought on this is assuming that it goes through and he gets it, and this is how important it is for him to win this domination at this point. The only thing the left will here on Saturday at the vote is well that worked or crap that doesn't work. And if it's that worked, this is the from here on out. If it didn't work, they may try harder, but they're less likely to do these things in the past. If there are rewarded for this kind of behavior. Relaxed, the country's in trouble. Yeah, the country's in real trouble. Now I just want to. I just want to highlight something because this is this is what my book is all about. And I wish I would have had this example because there wasn't an example when I wrote the book and people say, Glen, you're talking dictate outrage. You got to get rid of your addiction. You've got to be nice to each other, you're going to surrender. No, no. It's about standing in the truth, but changing the. Way deliver it. I've learned doing all the crazy things in leader hosing and everything else I did on FOX. I didn't change any minds I may have. I may have enlightened people and help teach things to might tribe, but nobody who is a diehard Obama where that guy who's funny and making fun of everybody. He's great. Didn't work. Okay. So the Republicans have done it exactly as we lay it out in the book what they do, they were attacked. They were relentlessly attacked. They were called all kinds of names. They didn't call names in reverse. They never shamed her. They never called her nasty names. They said, oh my gosh, if this is true, we should listen to her. We'll go out and meet her. What did the Democrats do? They undermined everything and it's all being exposed. It wouldn't have been exposed. If Donald Trump would have been tweeting, nasty things all the time because all everybody would have been talking about was him or the nasty things. So they played it perfectly. They were deferential where the Republic or the Democrats treated cavenaugh like crap, and they were rolling their eyes and ethic brought in that prosecutor who's an Obama. Obama administration official. That was smart and so and they all said, and I believe them if there is this evidence is true. We wanna know it. The Democrats they're asking for the seventh FBI they get it and somebody asked on television, one of the Democrats. So will this be enough for what for you? Not to vote for him because you were never going to change your mind anyway. Exactly. Because we handled this the right way because we changed our approach with having a spine and standing straight up where we were not being afraid looking in the I know, I'm sorry, that's not it. And moving forward. We, you're seeing a shift in people. You're seeing a shift in people who were against cavenaugh now going, you know, not only four Cavanaugh I don't like the way the the Democrats have behaved. That's the way to win. I mean, look, it's not hard in this environment to get Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski on your side. I mean, it feels I honestly thought walking into this when this starts stuff started happening. It was almost like all you have to show up and they're gonna wind up voting with you instead their nuclear level hackery was. So, I mean, the Cory Booker strain of the Democratic Party who's just insanity. They went so over the top so far were so ridiculous. I mean, even Chris coons, who was the guy who made the deal with flake for the one week, extra FBI investigation is on TV today saying it's not enough. It was his deal and he's saying it's not enough. It's just embarrassing. It's embarrassing and they went, I think they, if they would have been. Under control, they probably would have been able to those people. The environment of today is, you know, people are generally going to go that way. I think because they were so ridiculous such cartoon characters, they talked a lot of Americans out of it, and it becomes a thing even with the Hollands and Mukasey you can't reward that level of. And the thing is they have proven Donald Trump. Right, right. Yep. Because he was quiet and he's been saying they are the enemy, they're, they're not telling you the truth, they're all in on. It look at the way the media's behaved and because they haven't had him to chew on because he's been relatively quiet, they've he's allowed them to expose themselves and become everything. He says they are, and I agree with you completely and you Republicans handle this the right way, but this is the problem that is bothered me through the entire thing. And I think that Cavanaugh actually said something very prophetic in his testimony, and I don't even think he knew that he was saying he says, the repercussions of all this will be felt for decades in the thing that worries me the most about my children in the future generations is all of this. This circus is what it is is going to hinder good men and women for. Wanting to step forward, put themselves in the position to help society to help our government help America. Who would willingly make the choice to subject your family to this kind of defamation and everything? You know, Stu, I have talked about running for office at some point. Maybe after I retire or something I'd run for offers, then I was with Ted Cruz. What did I say halfway through the Ted Cruz? Never terrible, never would I do that. I won't run for dogcatcher, never. It's awful. It's character says is, and we've lost the ability of society to respect people's lives to the point that we would much rather ruin somebody where the truth or not for political gain or political purposes, and it's very dangerous line that we're sitting on right now as a science. On the spot. Oh, okay. You did. You believe Dr? Testimony. I think that I say this as a as a man, you know, I want to believe survive. I know many people in the social media platform, the public platform and said this, I want to believe victims or alleged victims. I want to believe that people would not do such a thing for political gain or for this chess match trying to be played. I think that there is obviously something happened to Dr for his affected her, you know, mentally, emotionally, all this. Do I think that cavenaugh absolutely not. I don't believe that at all. Is that still your view Glen. I said, he just doesn't believe him. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. I really did, but I don't think I do anymore. There's there's nothing new that is after that. There should have been something that has come out. There's nothing new that is come out. Yeah, I don't even think I'm not sure that she even had an event. I'm not sure I. So I was like you, I believe at the time that something happened to her that she really truly thought in her mind. She was missed, remembering that it was having on. That still could be well, that's what I thought before. But if I may bring some some things to the table. So when she first stated in her in her testimony, she swore under oath, right? All of this was written down and sworn to she said exactly what her motivations were. And I think we have a short clip. Let's watch my motivation in coming forward was to be helpful and provide facts about hell. Mr Coveney actions have damaged my life so that you could take into serious consideration as you make your decision about how to proceed. It is not my responsibility to determine whether Mr. Cavanaugh deserves to sit on the supreme court. My responsibilities to tell you the truth. Originally, she said, I'm here to provide facts for you. I want you to have all of the facts and all of the relevant information. It is my responsibility to tell you the truth, and then you're the ones who make the determination whether or not he belong. On the supreme court. Now, in contrast to that, her lawyers at the eleventh hour of the FBI investigation, which, again, it's at the eleventh hour they released or they sent a letter to Chuck Grassley and they said they basically were saying, we are withholding the documents that you that Chuck Grassley wanted sent to the FBI which was video of the polygraph test and her therapist's notes that they claim exists, but would never show no one has seen them. So they said, well, sure. We'll hand over those documents. When you agree to interview her now they know that the FBI has already said that they were not going to interview Cavanagh or Ford because they already have their sworn testimony to the account. So if you're saying she needs another interview, then you're saying she perjured herself because under oath she already said exactly what happened, which again, that's why the FBI doesn't need another interview for her. So now you have the lawyers saying. We're not going to give you these documents which makes me question those documents and makes me question her. It's why that's one of the reasons when I saw that come out. It's one of the reasons where like really wrong. First of all, I willing to give her an Ambien kind over a valium, excuse for the disconnect with her emotions while she's still like an just want to tell you. It just doesn't seem real. And I think because she kept saying, I need caffeine. I need caffeine. She wasn't sleeping. Perhaps she was on some sort of medication and that does separate you from your feelings. But now with this and the way it's been handled, I just don't know. I don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't put a dollar on it actually, even without Cavanaugh involve to say, I believed her initially and I just don't anymore. I think that she's part of it. Yeah, point. I mean, we all want to believe that people wouldn't do these sorts of things like, look at the second world talking about four right. Is is a person who's involved in this. There were five accusers five. The other four have been basically devout one guy recanted completely himself. Another one Redan even put their name on it, and they were never even able to figure who was another. One is avenue client, which is obviously a circus. Yeah, they have apparently the latest, the one that was in the yorker that they went after with Ronan Farrow. They actually found the person who's supposed to be able to corroborate the evidence. And that person said they had never even heard of such a thing for they missed on four of the five, four of the five by all expectations. And at this point, what we can, we can take from them at least four of the five are complete nonsense. So I wanna know why we as a nation are not furthering an investigation on those people. If you lied and you have added to this circus you're, you are a danger to the Republic, not just smearing guy, but you have added to damaging the Republic. I mean, I think you need to go to jail is the repercussion. It's the backwards logical thinking that seems to be this huge epidemic within our society. We claim that we care about certain things, and so therefore we put all this focus on Dr. Oh, we care about me to victims and survivors and this and that. But then we find out about these actual things that were completely incomplete. Lies complete character assassination lies and we do nothing about, oh, well, did you really expect anything else to happen? You know. Of course, those off, of course, there lies, why wouldn't they lie? But but but we don't. We don't fight really for what's right anymore. What's right would be to go after Justice for Cavanaugh of these people that are latently lying about him. And I think the one that says he recanted his testimony may very well get in trouble. The problem with that, of course, is that sentences people not to recant because if the only you can never gonna, be able to prove these other things didn't happen. This guy, you can't prove it because he told you. Yeah, didn't minute. Glenn Beck is coming line to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing. Glenn back live the addicted to outrage toured on tour this fall. Do you said Obama is just a racist altogether rights reasons. He's a double racist. Okay. So we got a lot to get into their because that's that's. That's up. I'm shell. Actually, when you listen to it, it is. It's amazing. So, but first we want to thank our sponsor wreck house. I have a confession to make did not take my dawn to dusk today. We thought your performance was off during notice. Well, I'm sorry. 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Use promo code greens, fifteen percent off your first order, or you can text greens to four one, four, one. One again, take field of greens, not cocaine. Cocaine. Advocate, cocaine. Brock Obama is amazing. In fact, just let in with cocaine, which is an interesting segue into this particular segment, they say something about the, of course Stu found this this morning, this this tape is released. I was going down the road of Cavanaugh Cavanaugh Cavanaugh. Oh, look, really? Did they say he was, you know, not not capable of being president. We played it in Stu it, no, here's the bigger story. Unbelievable, I, I think it is. It's pretty actually an amazing clip because you're right the way that people have been talking about it and it is interesting in this context. Brock Obama did a lot of the things that they're going after have enough or remember this. The start with the started with, you know, can we prove wreck onto this? And it was like, well, what if we think if we think he did it and it was like, well, we can't really prove that he did it or think that he did it, but is there a possibility that he did it and then when they couldn't get that they're like, well, what if he blacked out and doesn't remember that possible? That's really, we got down to Heathrow, right. So this is Barack Obama talking about. Very similar to the same types of accusations and many times worse that he made that were made against Brad Kavanagh. And if you know the, I think the the initial point is if Brcko become president with this in his past after he earned his life around it breath Cavanaugh if he drank a lot when he was younger, I mean, why couldn't he be on the supreme court? So let's watch the clip and we'll talk about the other permanent. Think I was thug. A big part of my girl. I was, I think I was very typical. Gregarious mischievous child is as a young boy, I think by the time I was an adolescent and had moved back from Indonesia and was struggling with these issues of racial identity in the father, not being in the house, and I think that, you know, I reacted by engaging and a lot of behavior that's not untypical of bike males. Across the country. Played a lot of basketball. Okay. I didn't take school that seriously. I. Got into fights. Drank and consumed substances that weren't always legal. Some of my baby was self destructive might drink a six pack in an hour before before going back to class. Only when you think about it in the the word typical is a, it's a trigger word for him. Only remember of course, white person who doesn't care gigging clings to his God and his guns to because he doesn't like immigrants that is racist. His grandmother had she was the typical white Verson that would see a black person. Yeah. And he says, I engaged to behavior typical of black people. He says, they play basketball a lot. Now, if a white Republicans like, you know what black people do a lot is basketball, just that is enough to be racist if you happen to be Republican, but then he goes down the road up. Don't take school seriously, get in fights a lot, and drinking and drugs. I mean, the picture he paints of the black community is is one that Richard Spencer probably agrees with that is an amazing moment as you see that and you know, I haven't heard anybody talking about that yet, but this guy really when he talks about racial identity, it's really revealing. He looked at everything. Through a racial prism which was the point you were making on FOX all those years ago. And you can see that there he sees typical people colors have typical examples. Now, my impression of the way that you're supposed to think about race in colorblind way, content of character. You're not generalize. White people generally do this in black people generally do that except for movie theaters. Okay, that's good place. I know there's a lot of talking. He's right behind. It's and I wanna. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast today. I wanna tell you about another show. I think going to like it's skull the morning blaze. It's dot com. CIN you check it out right now wherever you get your favorite podcasts. So you all know that I'm doctor, right? No, I am Dr. I've got my doctorate basically anyway. So science is really big for me tomorrow on the radio show. Science stew is Stu. It's the Obama power hour. Six beers in an hour. I don't believe he actually went to class. I don't think you can go to class. We're gonna find out a shop per minute on the hour tomorrow and I think or per one. So don't. Going. Little up next enjoy bonus overtime content from the news in white matters available exclusively for podcast listeners and blazed premium subscribers become a premium subscriber at the blaze dot com slash subscribe. Russian off air that I wanted to go ahead and start with Graham, go to your point about the whole Obama video and everything. And you said while we were talking about why, why haven't we heard about this this this video? Why haven't we heard we'll because rational people and logical thinking adults would hear something like that of a person describing their teenage and college days and go, yeah, you're a teenager in college. Of course, you did things that you shouldn't do now because you're an adult and that's just part of, unfortunately, it's part of growing up and learning and making mistakes, and the way the media handled it with Obama look at cocaine, but it was a long time ago and he's not doing it now and he's turned his life around. I might take cocaine might be a line in the sand for me drinking big, Liz. In your audience. I wouldn't call that just a typical behavior. I will say this though him criticizing or lumping in the typical black person into all these negative groups was happening as an adult. He was making those judgments as an adult and get still gets no heat for. Here's the thing. When did that become available? The video win was video. I've ever seen. I. Something that in of itself is remarkable that shows this been and the media bias. The scary part is what it is that was George Bush, because what did he say? I was so drunk that I, I went to classes after drinking six beers in an hour. Okay. What did they used to say about George Bush in college? About George. Horrible teenager. It was all about how he was doing drugs, how he was drinking, how he just blew by college. He was a bad college student, listen to him. Listen to him. It shows how the media will only show what the media, what helps the media's friends. There's no other way to explain that. Yeah, I like that because I agree with that point completely. Ain't it something I talked about quite often which was Mike, have no point is the fact that I don't believe any of this is about caring about victims or providers or anything. The media social media, whatever it is behind the screen. They do not care about these things. It's the same thing with Nike and kaffir knickknack. I couldn't give a crap less about cabinets stance or his cause or whatever. They just know what pushes the right buttons to make them money to get them views to get ratings. And that's the the younger generation is so blinded by this. I don't know because I don't think they're watching. I mean, I thought it was really telling that Ted Koppel called out Brian Stelter from CNN you have that. Can we play that the ratings are up? It means you can't do with Donald Trump would be lost with a little. True. Ratings with being the toilet without. Not sure you're you're, you're playing for SaaS. You've lived through Nour's and cease to know hold on president's. What will the ratings before Trump and what are the weightings listen to this? I would say we might be up twenty thirty percent. We might be up forty percent if we go back down forty percent. That's okay too. Children for a moment. Let's get away from CNN. Sensitive subject. Let's go to NBC. Is there a moment of the day when they are not focusing on Donald Trump or some intimately related subject? Now there's not people with. Ryan, Brian, he became he came to the media because he had a blog site. One of. Used to just cover the daily ratings, that guy is all about ratings. His job is to analyze the media, and he says, I don't know. It could be twenty percent. No, no, you know exactly how much and then you're like, oh, could be forty percent? Well, that's doubled twenty percent in it. It was more than that's the real, it's and it's, you don't just shed forty percent of your audience and nobody cares. Ted Koppel is right, and we are not paying attention to the things that must be paid attention to because the world is about to change China. You hear about the chip today with China. So China's making make all of our chips because we won't mind for own rare earth, minerals, because it'll it'll hurt Alaska. So China's making all of our chips. Well, we just found out that the chips that they were making for us have a little extra something, something on them, and it's allowing them to hack in and gather all of the information that they want. Why not? Of course, not, of course, want to. Here we are a group of people. China is becoming the most dangerous place in the world. They are rounding up Muslims millions of them. They are persecuting Christians. They are launching the sharp ice program by twenty twenty Google or Facebook. Google is is working with them on their own search engine to turn in any dissidents. The number one star over in China has just reappeared for holiday resort, which is one of the internment camps. It is all this is going on and what are we talking about nonsense. It's dangerous dangerous. So now seems like a really good time to bring up viral video, really great viral videos going around and millions of hits on this one. I mean, it's just one of the most spectacular things you'll ever see young football player. In Texas, actually playing safety here. Look at this mazing flag as he comes all the way across the field. It makes incredible play. Incoming over here. Amazing. You might say that looks like my son, and I would say also. It does. Actually, I flag football game yesterday, and I actually, I did have a moment of life thought in that day. I was watching that happen all the crap that we talk about here every day and everyone get so worked up and your social media all the time and flames going back and forth back and forth. And then you know, you're out there just watching your kid play football. It's like complete escape. And it feels so much more like what we should be doing. It feels so much more so much more teaching teaching young males to oppress pigs. They throw them. And then you know, idolizing cheerleaders, looking at their body, all I know your initiative, what a male should dare get up there you. Yeah, I think you'll appreciate this as a a wonderful family moments. Watch the clip one more time and then look for my daughter in this clip lunch. Comes off. And then. She's not only not really paying attention. She's seated herself to face the other way and his coloring during the play that is real life is others. Just go to his stupid gay of lifted before we get to today's poll question I want to. I want you to tell everyone you said that you have a kind of a neat story about being the blaze always. Yeah, yeah, almost forgot. So I doubt you remember this, but almost two years ago to the day when I first came up with this whole daily rant idea, rant nation, this whole thing, the blaze was the very first place that would interview me. Oh, no, this was my very first interview paid seven hundred bucks pocket to fly out here. You stuck your head out the door. Ted Cruz was here that day and you still get your head out the door and wave to me and it was real quick. You know, I was nobody. Nothing. I'm anybody now, but we were. We were dumb enough to pass on you. Not a good story. But it's really cool to to be back here now. Yeah, it's very full circle moment. It's nice. It's an honor to sit at the table crash view and my grandmother would probably leave my grandfather for you right now. Likes them looking like Gernal Sanders. I grew up a lot of days in my house, Glenn Beck every single day, but your grandma's name, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria. She'll try to figure out how to take me. All right. Today's poll question after the whole cavenaugh spectacle, which party do you think will be more energized to vote in the midterms want wanna hear from you go to Twitter at the blaze. Let us know which think Graham thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow. Depending on how they react to this. If they go all on its. People like what you're hearing become a blaze premium subscriber and watch the show anytime anywhere live or on demand, go to the blaze dot com. Slash subscribe start watching today.

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We Have New Polling On Kavanaugh

FiveThirtyEight Politics

51:40 min | 2 years ago

We Have New Polling On Kavanaugh

"There's some weird energy in here today. Hello and welcome to the thirty eight politics podcast. My name is Jody arrogant. The FBI is investigating these sexual assault and misconduct claims against Brett cabinet and no surprise. There is partisan fighting over the scope of that investigation. Among other things. There's also pressure mounting in various directions about how key senators will vote on judge Cavanaugh win that vote does come back up here to discuss it all our usual crew back. Usual studio, hopefully caught up sleep after a lot of emergency podcast. Let's do. We have usual studio. We've been transitioning back and forth. This feels like home a little bit. Now this ABC studio. I don't like it. Okay, one. No, like it. I been going back and forth between studios, cash crashing on friends studios couches. That's true. Yeah, that is entering chief Nate's over limit. Hey, how are you? Senior politics writer. Clear Malone is here. Hey, Jodie and managing editor, Mike Aucoin hill mica. Hello? By the way, if we keep my ABC comments and I, the only reason. I'm weirded out by the studio is it's like I've been thinking a lot about neutral colors, what is dark neutral, and what is late neutral? And this is a dark neutral studio, which makes it feel like it's constantly about two thunderstorm as we approach. My soul election listeners. I think you'll see all of us deal with it in our own ways gravitate towards color. Okay. Also, today I'll add that there's a great piece up on the site about how Americans view the supreme court and how faith in the institution of the supreme court is a road ING. So we will get into that before we get to any cabinet stuff. The let's quickly check in on the forecast where a month out from the election. So Nate, what do our model show and have they changed any way and what's what are you noticing there hasn't been a tournament in the forecast. We have Democrats in our classic forecast with a seventy eight percent chance to win the house. Excuse me, say odds, please use me seven, nine chance seven in nine chance which if you were to use percentages would would be seventy eight percent and the Senate. It's two in seven. If when we're deign to express this in the percentage twenty nine percent they've been having around eighty percent for Democrats in the. House, thirty percent in the Senate. I want to warn readers. This could be like a week when things are a little bit more volatile. The reason being that we have very few generic ballot polls lately and generic ballot bowls which just ask Hootie, which party would you prefer controls congress boody plan to vote for in your district are pretty influential. So you're gonna have all these major networks. I would assume way in with polls this week about Brad Kavanagh. They will as part of those polls ask about presidential approval on engineering palate which affect our model. And so therefore by the time you're listening to, it could be seventy five percent or eighty five percent instead of seventy eight or whatever it is. But it's been overall given all the news like pretty darned set Mike Eclair. Anything jumping out at you? Are you surprised about the stability of it? I guess I wish Nate would have designed the marks model. I mean, it's like you can't get in there and fiddle the knobs love it is a little bit like you do different things. Canceling out. So what you have seen is a little bit of catch-up for the GOP on generic ballot where it's. Gone from nine points to eight points. The margin. Some of that is because the versa genyk dot, we used for the model is likely voter version, and we have seen some polls now where the GOP gains a little bit of ground unlikely, voter polls, relative to register, voter pulses in judgment there, which helps them a tiny bit. On the other hand, the district by district polls have generally been very bad for the GOP with occasional exceptions. But the district polls certainly now are consistent with a big wave where there's a lot of owner ability very deep into the GOP ranks. And so roughly speaking, those things have kind of canceled out generic ballot looks at tiny better than it did a couple of weeks ago presidential looked at tiny, it better, but the district polls are bad for Republicans. Final thought Claire, anything changed with the crop of races you're keeping an eye on, or is it still the same map is still looking pretty much the same. I guess I'm kind of curious act blue this morning, tweeted out something about how they had their biggest single fundraising day over the weekend that they've had. And I don't know. Obviously, my first thought was, well, this cavenaugh hearings were good for Democrats, and I guess just in general, sort of interested to see if that issue set Cavanaugh in general, does anything more to turn out demographic voter who wouldn't have turned out necessarily? I mean, because you can also say, oh wow, everyone who's joining tack blue is already super activated and was already turning out. So it's an interesting number to think about. And I, I'm kind of curious about how the next couple of weeks pan out because I think that's when you might see people settling into either anger or opinions about this, this nominee and the sexual assault allegations. So I think we're, we're in a prelude to an interesting period of opinion polling. Well, that brings us nicely to our first topics. Let's do that. Let's talk about Cavanaugh. 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I would pick a county probably Iowa that I thought, you know, that place represents America and then go talk to six people there. This is why we have polling. It's been three days since those cavenaugh hearings. Is that enough time to get some polling? Has there been some some legit Poland? Yeah, there has been. We got a, we got a couple of polls. I think, right. We got a yougov poll to you goes. We got to change research, which is kind of a democratic firm, kind of not upshot. Sienna has been pulling all their districts, and so they've asked questions about Cavanaugh. So let's talk about opinions about Cavanaugh. And then I'm curious. I didn't look at that district pulse, but in general, just. Writers in general just seems like people saw the stuff through their parts lens. Yet this whole set of polling reminds me a lot of the access Hollywood tapes. And I can't remember if I said this on the podcast last week or if it was somewhere else, but just the way that since allegations came out people's partisan support, kind of heightened and solidified more and in these recent polls, you're seeing people that let's say, Republican support for Cavanaugh go up even more so it. It does seem to be one of those things where into go further back. You saw it with Bill Clinton during the height of his scandals is that you know, the Democrats won the midterms in part because their base was like no domestic, our president, right? And I kind of see analogs here to those two incidents or at least that's what comes to my mind most vividly. I think there's something that people are doing here, which is that like they're actually a lot of undecided voters. You know both about the accusations in particular, who do you believe and in terms of cabinet confirmation, a lot of the polls are like thirty eight. Yes, forty three, no nineteen undecided, which is a really high undecided number for something that's become so contentious set interest me indicates that like maybe the situation is still the country. Fairly volatile on there are still some ground to begin by either party kind of how the debate goes out from from this point. Onward public opinion polling necessarily affect this. I mean at this point to. I think it ought to, but there aren't gonna pull him at this point, right? I mean, sure they would. I don't know if that's true. I mean, like I think unless the FBI investigation proves something really solid, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that they would. Afflicts sixty minutes that if Kevin allied even about a minor thing in the testimony that that would be hearsay even about a minor thing. So there was a quote floating around six Jeff flake given interview with Senator coons to sixty minutes last night, and he and he was asked by Scott Pelley. If we learned that judge Cavin allied during his testimony is that disqualifying? And both of them said, yes. Now I, my initial reaction to that was well, we've as you guys discussing emergency podcast, there have been a number of provable lies by Cavanaugh, but most of those are about his drinking habits and some of the other stuff that from at. But there's another interpretation which is lied about the incident with Ford, and if that gets proven, that's what flake was talking about. So is that where the bar is if we learned that he lied about board, it's one thing, but we don't know what flake met, whether it's the first or the second. I'm inclined to believe it's the second. I mean, flake spent the the Atlantic had an interview with flake to, and and he was quite clear that he would prefer to vote. Yes. For cavenaugh you know, he's like a conservative, this conservative Justice. And so I'm inclined to think that what he meant was if they find Cavanaugh lied about the allegations that he would vote against. I mean, we don't know even the judicial crisis network. People have said like, hey, yeah, if you lie, that's a serious thing, right? The point is that if you want a good pretense under which to the nomination, the fact is that this guy almost certainly lied under oath, but this stuff that we just spent a lot of time discussing what he lied about the drinking, things like that. It's really hard to prove that those are lives while most. Well, single. Well, a lot of drinking game that predates last week. English language. I don't think that those are things at the FBI is necessarily going to be litigating, and I'm not sure that that is what key Republican votes are talking about. They say lying about also lied about how much is social circles overlap with the school that that Ford went to. That's pretty clear, but this this disagreement gets at what I think is like a very central characteristic of the story, which I thought about a lot over the weekend, which is that speaking strictly like journalistically in terms of what we know with certainty you don't know a lot here. You don't know if you lied right for all like in in a very like, existential. There's doubt about everything sense. You know which which a lot of journalists, that's that's how they write pieces, right? They say, why can't prove what Cavanaugh was thinking, right? This story is is full of of that type of stuff where if you stick to that you're left with well, we don't know who's telling the truth here. The FBI. Investigating throw up your hands. If you're like a person who has any amount of critical judgment, you can look at the testimony and think to yourself. Cavanaugh is not a credible witness that was not credible testimony. He lied. We're almost certain about a bunch of stuff. He employed all sorts of techniques, which you know I've worked with people like this before where you wanna talk to them about one thing and then it's like a neg-. You're saying something negative up to it? Yes. You know, I, I go to give Claire some negative feedback and five minutes later we're talking about something else in higher. It's like, no, you know, it's like, you know, people like that who shift the conversation. And so it's if you react to the testimony or the whole, the zoom out from capitol. This whole story is like that Republicans line on this is like we found Ford's testimony, credible, but we think she's mistaken. That's not internally consistent. If you believe forward, then you believe Ford and she, you know, she says, she's one hundred percent certain, it's cabinet that the party learned from the Clarence Thomas hearings or that's the lesson that the Senate learned from the Clarence Thomas hearings, which is you have to say, especially in the me too era. Oh, we believe this woman, but now we're going to say that everything she said is probably mistaken. I think my bone with your theory, Nate is that my bone to pick with your theory is that Republicans as we saw on Thursday minus. Flake are really certain that they wanna so up this nomination, flake himself is ideologically inclined to confirm this guy. The FBI investigation, frankly is not really like it's it's limited in scope. It's not really like a truth finding thing. It's sort of a cover your ass kind of insurance policy is my read on it, and it gives Republicans who are facing a time crunch way to say, okay, we did our due diligence. Now we got a vote. I just, I don't necessarily see people finding anything that's like the smoking gun of ally from cavenaugh that would turn someone like Jeff flake into voting no on cabinet. Now I might be wrong, but I just I just don't really see. Ever passed out while drinking never misremembered anything. He said, basically, I've never gotten aggressive. I mean, those things are like ninety nine point nine nine, nine, nine, nine percent certain to be like this guy. Well, but the question is, will the narrative they're about he's untrustworthy in the way that can I tell you what coal we'll Republican senators will say, well, he was twenty years old then, but that's the shifting line at just as a person, whatever it's like the shifting line defensively be like, okay, well, you know who cares? If he lies about his drinking? It's just drinking. Well, it's like, no, it's not just because number one, he was reportedly incoherently drunk at the time that he allegedly assaulted Ford and also the other Ramirez incident. I can also say here, like just to clarify like this is also meet clarifying for readers. What I for listeners, what I think like the Republican line will be understood. Yeah, but I'm saying like the defense very shifty, right? Where it's like. Well, everyone's a little barris by their teams, drinking habits, right? His family is there doesn't want to embarrass himself, but like the whole situation is that if you have two witnesses and it's a, he said, she said, and the he has is a problem drinker where he routinely drinks to the point of Mr. member answer blacking out, perhaps and the she says, this occurred when they were super drunk and the other, he and the room Mark judge literally wrote a memoir about how drunk he used to get in high school. I mean, does that prove that it happened? No, but I think it gets in that zone where it becomes not an even he should. She said, fifty fifty battle right? And I think like Cavanaugh Intuit's correctly that if he came out and said, you know what? As a youth, I drank a lot. I was problem drinker. There were a few times on a passed out, become much more responsible as I aged. I only drink occasionally if you beers now and then right, but I never remember. Her having a salted woman and it was not in my character to do so I don't know how that plays out. I think it'd be frankly, more honest defense, but that this this gets at, let's pull apart a few things here. One is I do think that's the reason Kavanagh's lying about his drinking in college and high school is because if he midst to having blacked out or lapses in memory that opens the door for four documentations to be true, right? But so let's Nate's point about he not knowing how that would spin out, sort of interesting if he would have given that more honest answer his confirmation, I think would probably be in more doubt right now than it is. Which isn't a great conclusion. I don't like the truth. What am I here sticks like? Don't let someone become advantaged by lying, right? Don't wanna be better off for lying under oath by the way. Then if he had told the true. Probably you probably is right when if someone's going to lie, they're going to lie. I mean, I don't know what else. I mean, they could have been a more forceful reputation. I will say. One thing that I know I do think if he could go on with like the it was a longtime ago. I don't remember it too recollections. Have some inconsistencies. Boys will be boys defense. I do think that would actually be going over a little bit better with the public because the GOP argument requires you to be kind of a kind of true believer, right? It's like this guy would not lie about this kind of stuff and or he's been railroaded. So if he tells them white lies, that's okay because the incident happened thirty five years ago and it's not, you know, I mean, I think you have to like and also all the argument about processor appealing to other Republican senators and maybe to their base maybe to media reporters, not like rank and file voters in Iowa or whatever. But I think that like he might have more public support behind his side. If he had gone with the boys will be. Defense. So it would be having a huge also, probably very ugly debate, but like I don't know, it's a different debate. The basic conclusion to me is you have a as Nate's at a he said, she said, and if you compare where we are now to the Nita hill incident and testimony and reaction, you actually could come away with some of them right. Clarence Thomas didn't become anymore unpopular during Hill's testimony. Right? He was confirmed with bipartisan votes most public disbelieved hill, right? I characterize the polling earlier on Cavanaugh and Ford's testimony as as mostly breaking down partisan lines, which does, but kind of secondary to that more people believe forward than Cavanaugh Cavanaugh who is already very unpopular has become more popular since all this started. Right? So that's you could kind of look at it and be like, well, the American public clearly cares about allegations of sexual assault and sexual misconduct more than they did before, but you are left looking at the Senate it just as like a math problem. Basically, you have a, he said, she said, right? Everybody sort of agrees what Ford said was credible compelling honest about what you knew, what you didn't know what you remembered. She didn't remember. Kavanagh's testimony was full of shifting blame of inaccuracies and yet still right now, at least Kavanagh's word is literally worth more than for Ward's. I think Mike elated out really well which is, and this is my like note of pessimism is all the ladies. Which is that you're right. I think American public opinion. This is a good thing, right? American public opinion is more I think is affected by the me too, whatever, just couple of decades of progress on on gender inequality. But I don't think American institutions institutions in a twofold sense one, I think the Senate institutionally isn't equipped to indicator. Yes, isn't equipped to handle from a demographic point of view isn't equipped to handle like this kind of he said she said thing and not come out on the, he said side of it, but then to, you know, if we take the Republicans premise that this is a trial right? And she has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. The Justice system is often just in the sense of let ten guilty men walks free to preclude an innocent man from being imprisoned. But that means on a lot of these crimes where it is he said she said, frankly, like the Justice system is pretty unjust for from a moral sense for rape victims or sex. Assault victims in general. So it's kind of like it's sort of like the same old, same old institutional story, even if the American public feels differently. And I think you know, we're gonna talk about this later in the in the show about Americans trust in their institutions, but hey, maybe maybe the fact that it's, it's lagging the societal Agan sitution lag are there out of there out of wack. Basically we're going to do that in a second, but actually clear on this question of public opinion bring it back to this week. Do you think that the results of the FBI investigation? And then I guess in turn what happens to Kavanagh's confirmation, whether he goes through or not, we'll have a big affect on who is motivated and who is angry and who is excited or was is that die kind of already cast because of what we saw last week. I guess the demographic sliver that I'm interested in our Republican-leaning college educated women because we did see that in surveys, the Republican women while they. Generally fell on cavenaugh side were less enthusiastic about his point of view. I've seen some surveys where independent women were more sympathetic to Ford's point of view, and that's, I think an be this important demographic where married white women with college education where like Republican voters. I don't know if that's true, and I wonder what their enthusiasm level, you know, whether it'll be affected by this Cavanaugh stuff. So I guess that's what I'm thinking about the most when I when I think about these public opinion surveys, Mike, it's a question of like, you know everybody has multiple identities, right? And as does this activate their identity as women identity as Republicans? It's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's there were a couple polls out last week that showed to share of Republican women who supported Cavanaugh dropping, and I thought, oh, that makes sense. But then a couple more came out that showed it either holding study or or improving, and you know, that's a small sub sample in poll. So it's like subject to a lot of noise. But yeah, we're going to have to watch and see you would think this story is a huge story. You know, it's, it's all but eclipsed the midterms, actually. So you would think it would have an effect. Okay. Let's move on and we're gonna talk as Claire mentioned about perceptions of the supreme court as an institution more broadly. But first, let me tell you. Today's podcast is brought to you by Caspar Kaspar helps you get the best night's sleep period. Once you try casper, you'll never go back. Switching to casper is a no brainer. It's a high quality mattress at an affordable price. You can sleep cool and comfortable every night. Thanks to the unique combination of phones. That provide the right pressure relief and alignment. Casper ships right to your door for free in a small box where you will say, how is there possibly mattress in the box, but there is trust us. You can open it up. There is that matches. 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All right, we're back. And as we've been discussing one of the things that was on. Full display last week was Kavanagh's partisanship and the commentary in the wake of that ranges from what he showed was disqualifying to that how someone should behave. If you are wrongly accused, you should be angry and you should lash out. So let's think about those moments that we saw and maybe broaden it a little bit to the notion of this court is a partisan institution. How Americans view that we have a piece up on the site today by Melia Thompson devote mica. You can hang your hat on her piece or just give us a sense. Church is saying, I would just repeat and let your road, but did Americans view the supreme court as a political before last week, we don't have polling that asked like, do you view this court as a political body? But most Americans have at least some faith in the supreme court. Then there's like thirty eight percent of people who have a great deal of faith in supreme court. And then there's like a little less than a fifth of people who. You have very little or not. So in general, disapprove court right now is still largely respected, and people largely have confidence in it. That said, the number of people who who do faith in supreme court is down significantly from where it was in two thousand or specially in like the seventies and eighties. And so it's like, what is your fame of frame of reference relative to other political institutions like congress or the presidency? The supreme court looks great relative to like non political institutions NFL like so like the military, let's say police or where even where it was. If you decades ago, the supreme court does not look. Great. Thanks, Erica, neat. Eight, eight banks. Bangs. No banks, thanks so clear. I mean, what? What is sweep of history wise? What are the big moments where the supreme court has felt like a political institution versus this dispassionate institution? Well, I think if we're looking at modern institutional trust numbers, you can see them dipping. You can see trust dipping in the supreme court right around the two thousand presidential election decision. That was a that was a big, I guess, demar point for for the court. But I guess I mean, the court is a political institution. So this is a funny question, right? Which is it's a funny alchemy of things because it is soup. The judiciary is supposed to be set apart from politics a little bit. And yet presidents appoint nam justices the Senate debates them. I mean, inherently, this is a political body that I guess has, you know, has also the cover of not the cover. It has jurisprudence, but also the cover thereof. Say like, well, we're not. We're just calling, you know, people like to say, we're just calm balls and strikes, right? So I guess you can look at any number of points in history and say, well, this was a politicized court. You could call the war in court, extremely political. You could call FDR's era of the judiciary is incredibly political. I think the court kinda has this. I don't know if it's a new problem. I'd probably not. I'm not well versed in this enough to know. But I think the fact that the last two Trump's two nominees and I guess it's bring Merrick garland into this have been part of this, maybe in an new way, just really open partisan battle. I think there's less cloaking in the mahogany importance of it all and it just feels more like five, four, which ways are going to be which weighs about of the ballots is the balance of the court gonna sway. And I heard someone recently make a point that the court right now has, I mean has no modern. That's right. It is completely made up of pretty by the book conservatives and pretty by the book liberals, there really aren't. A lot of swing votes in Roberts is the swing vote. And that's that's because he's chief and then because he is to go back to talking institutions, he's concerned about the institutional reputation of prem- court. Can people trust it and take it seriously, but the fact that it is such a polarized court itself is, is weird. I mean people and I think you hear people, you know, in what's a stereotypically conservative place in the country people in Texas being like it's a, you know, those tear like those terrible like Ruth Bader Ginsburg heads, and then people in New York saying, you know, you can't appoint Kennedy was a terribly conservative, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like there's no middle ground when people discuss the court either like both those things are new, is there of the swing Justice coming to an end that's new, and we're likely to have a narrower of. Of a solidly conservative majority for liberal minority members of the court. That's new end, the court and the confirmation process for the court being nakedly partisan. That's new. And one of the things that was on display to that end was Kevin comments last week. So Nate. I mean, what did you make of Kavanagh's partisanship himself in the testimony on Thursday. And do you feel like this will Mark another turning point in terms of how marika's view the court as a partisan institution? Yeah, probably. I mean, look, he already, we've never really had an unpopular supreme court Justice confirmed to the court. I'm sure there something to become unpopular post confirmation, but Clarence Thomas in his hearings had like a, you know, publicans like fifty to twenty in favor of confirmation. As in that case, they were undecided. Clearly large majority. The really Severi wide plurality in favor of him. Right. Ken. Most polls show a plurality opposed maybe only thirty seven or thirty eight percent of the public in favor. So that itself is fairly unprecedented. But yeah, to come out and especially if it's kind of very boy scout is interview. He gave to Fox News where kind of played very straight down the middle right to come out like that. I mean, I think that will permanently affect the perceptions that Democrats have about the court when we didn't mention earlier, pull around is there's actually some some evidence had say, it's not quite like a slam dunk, but there are some hints at sexually Democrats and not Republicans who in this election concerned this prem- court, a more important issue, which is would be reversal from what you normally see in polling. And so to activate the supreme court as an issue. The Democrats that's front of mind for Democrats and his part of how they think. I mean, that's huge. That's the big shift in American politics. Now in this whole thing is just like, tonight's point we haven't had an impact. Popular Justice confirmed. So like look, if you're a Republican right now, you probably feel very frustrated by this conversation because it because let's say you believe cavenaugh and you're like, well, how would you respond to false accusations? And now yelling at other people will put so they're now they're now you're now you're upset with, you know him getting mad at being accused of horrible things, but it look put ideology aside. This is new, you know, even even in the Trump era, Neal Gorsuch was popular when he's confirmed. So like, look, we, we are normally the people fivethirtyeight were like, look, calmed down in the grand sweep of history. This is nothing then bomb, but it's like the, I like the headline Milius base is like, is the supreme court's facing a legitimacy crisis? I think the answer is clearly, yes. If cavenaugh. Gets on, and then you'll have two justices on their who've been accused of sexual misconduct, and they're going to be issuing conservative, conservative rulings on issues involving gender issues involving sex and people on the left. They're going to believe those decisions to be legitimate. I really doubt that so so I wanna talk to about that in a second. You know the legitimacy crisis question, but just on your your, you know what you were saying about the the way that Cavanaugh displayed his anger last week. I think it's worth pointing out the distinction between him being angry about being accused of something and then him bringing in sort of political conspiracy theories, and that's so it's okay. I mean, I think it's reasonable to say he's he's angry because he thinks he's innocent. He's going to put them as play, but then to go that step and bringing in, you know, the Clintons and going to sort of baldly political step feels like to a lot of people to the distinction. So there are two things going on there. Last week, there were things going on there and they both have to do with the reputation of the court one. I understand that Republicans. Defensive Kavanagh's behavior is that will how would you react if someone publicly accused you of sexual assault? I would be angry, but I would not comport myself the way that he did in a public hearing the rudeness to senators and the over anger is actually not a defense of being falsely accused justices of the supreme court are supposed to comport themselves differently. As far as I'd say, demeanor goes, we routinely, I think I'm in lower courts and municipal courts, whatever federal circuit courts, if a judge gives sort of kind of outlandish performance from the bench when they sent him someone baba bop, that's a that's kind of a red flag to the political aspect of this. I mean, people have brought up that Ruth Bader Ginsburg made inappropriate comments about Trump which she should not have said she apologized for, but yeah, but Kavanagh's politicization of his nomination process by him making. Text text was problematic, but I think we, we also need to separate those two things out. And I find a the Republican defensive Kavanagh's display as well. You'd be angry too. If you republi accused of sexual assault indubitably. Yes, I would be angry, but we expect public officials let alone one of nine people who has immense power in the United States to have a little bit of that judicial cool. Even if it's just a facade. Because frankly, a lot of the way people acting public life is odd, and it's all the keeps us going on this question of legitimacy. So I mean after Bush v gore, there was a good amount of Democrats who Kayo said I'm done with the supreme court. You know, I've lost faith in this institution, but I think we've talked about this on the show a little bit before that it's it's sort of remarkable that the court recovered from that and had and sort of came back to being seen as a institution was able to issue rulings, and those rulings were accepted in in a larger sense. Does this feel different? Do you think generational there will be a crop of people who every ruling Kavanagh's on the court will question it? Yes. Yeah, I do. I mean, I don't know. Obviously. But it just it makes so much sense given the specifics of this of the cavenaugh confirmation hearing, but also just given the kind of sweep and trends in politics more generally. I mean, everything is becoming more partisan. So you sort of why not the court? Right. Why should why should the court be any different, you know, and you get the sense from Cavanaugh I guess what I'd say is like, look, the the court has always been political. Right? You saw that in Bush v gore, you see it in other cases, right. The differences, like one as Claire said, the facade matters. You know the trappings of these things, and the appearance of these things I think has sway over how people see it. But also like, look, I'm speculating, but Neal, Gorsuch to me, feels like someone who's like a conservative, but he like probably is cares about the law I and and then he's. Yeah, I mean, so a lot of the arguments that Republicans are making a demo. Due to anyone. Gorsuch was the smoothest thing that's happened to Trump throughout his presidency a little bit different. They have one more center Trump is a little bit more popular, but like Democrats didn't like lay a bruise on him, much less, you know, seriously, hold up the nomination we do by the way, have our first telephone breaking news little through. They breaking poll, although it kind of says what the polls say. This is the Quinnipiac poll is the first telephone pole command post hearings Matza and it says he's not gonna. Tell us forty two, yes. Come firm forty-eight no confirm. So that's up from forty. So the, no, it was basically even before now the show negative six, which seems to be consistent with online polls that we saw earlier that it's not like catastrophically worse. It's probably a little worse. It's very likely not better, but he was already he has support was already low enough where he, you know, he didn't have much. Room to all before hitting the kind of bed rock Republican support level. Forty eight and no forty two, yes, it's their numbers might might wanna being the polling Abbott after a few more days or on there. So I, I want to get final thoughts just on this legitimacy question and thinking kind of in a larger scope. So Nate, I mean, what does it mean if there is a large group of Americans, maybe all Democrats, majority of Democrats big crop of Americans who question every ruling that doesn't go their way for the next decade or two a, what does it mean? What exactly does that mean to question a ruling, and then how does that affect our politics? I don't know. Mandate leads to a lot of for tat, you know, it makes it less likely that Democrats, if they do retake the Senate would try to allow Republican president to confirm someone maybe makes it more like you'll hear serious talk about, should you have court packing. What's the, what's the isn't court packing? You know, I'm trying to think of it's like non neutral word to describe it. But like I think you'll see much more serious rhetoric from Democrats about like, should we increase to like to eleven members of scream court? We get our fair reward for garland, having been denied or cavenaugh having some haven't been show through or whatever else, right. You will hear talk about impeaching Cavanaugh what happens if he is confirmed, and then there's more evidence that comes out or not even that comes out, right? That will be a democratic talking point think. And so you know, let me spend here. Here's like you're gonna try and spin this positive spin. No, no. Well, the the positive version, if you're a liberal is people start voting and engaging on the court in a real way so that that's if you're on the left. That's a positive regime this, but like let's say, okay, let's say Cavanaugh gets on liberals, lose faith in the court, win the presidency and twenty twenty. You know, but the but whoever wins, let's say, you know, democrat, Jane Doe of Florida, wins the presidency and turns corrupt and does all sorts of crazy shenanigans and and is paying people off and and taking bribes. And there's a movement to impeach her and it turns out that she was recording conversations. Right? And then whether she has to release the tapes goes to the supreme court. The court finds five four that she has to release the tapes in a world where views of the court are partisan polarized and court does not have legitimacy that president Jane Doe could politically withstand refusing supreme court order. I'm this is the Nixon thing, right? So so to make this much more simple. Just imagine if when supreme court found unanimously that Nixon had attorney. Over the tapes. It didn't have the legitimacy. It had that and that one whole half of the American electorate thought it was illegitimate then you can easily imagine Nixon, not turning over the tapes which he thought about doing. So there's a point at which the court needs public faith in order to have power. That's the only way it it's, it's orders are enforced right at this court doesn't have an army. It needs that legitimacy to for people to take what it says. You know. So let's bring it back to this week and we'll start to wrap wrap up here few more minutes, but clarity wanna game out what you're watching this week. Should we just go right to predictions about whether he's gonna get confirmed or not yes or no? Yeah. I think he's gonna get confirmed to go back to the conversation about how institutions in public opinion don't match up. White men say confirmed Cavanaugh the fifty nine percent to thirty two percent according to that Quinn pickle. Also we haven't talked about this, but I mean the Trump White House has. Has it's not just midterm pressure, but the Trump White House likes Kavanagh's views on executive privilege quite a bit. And so they're not getting the same bang for their buck. Shall we say if they nominate someone like Amy, Coney, Barrett. Clear clear that gap between public opinion how institutions behave, even for the Collins Murkowski's. You don't think that that's a big enough pressure point for them to change their their their vote this week. I'm not sure. I don't think so. Yeah, mate. Going through. I mean, I think you know, my premise this whole time has been, I think, off from what can leaders seem to believe, which is I thought the whole time it like this is not smart, politically, Carolina politics looked about that about how about that last week. And so therefore I thought that McConnell would recognize that, hey, look, if we can kind of find an excuse to withdraw him, then we'll get someone who's equally conservative and not have this big mess on our hands right at this point, whether they believe that originally are not. They've gone far enough down the road where it's like, okay, now there might be bigger cuts quences to pulling him one of which is that you probably would not have time to confirm someone pre midterms. So anyway, I'm just going to default toward the Scottish the Scottish teens, what did they say? They say, sixty five percent chance of confirmation on predicted? Did you see her Dixit craft by the way during the day of testimony. Tobacco. Ford was guys all really all on. Tweet is dipped like crazy during fours testimony. And then crawled backup as Cavanaugh was out there kind of remarkable finish. I will reader. I still think in fact, probably some of the pulley. I'm starting to bear out that this is not politically to the GOP, right, but I think I was probably wrong or at least I'm uncertain if I was right about like hell, they will see that if he'll agree with that. So I'm seeing somebody say toward, we're just gonna edit that part out where I was wrong, but he was arguing with Nate on earlier podcast that, no, Nate. Did you see there's a New York Times article source to party leaders in the Senate? I think which related they're thinking as the house is basically already lost pushing Cavanaugh through might hurt us in the house. Basically dooming us there, but will help us in the Senate us being Republicans. Yeah, I, I saw that and that made me feel like that's kind of weird spin because there has to be like four sumptious very precisely, Pru, right that to be true that to be true. Like some slip between where it's like, yeah, hurts you in swing districts, but the discount really read, right. And I mean, it might be true that like it's a difficult vote for mansion and Heitkamp that's gotta be a lock logic also had state, but also like a lot of the Senate are not these red state incumbents, right? It states like Florida and Arizona and Nevada in Texas. Maybe even New Jersey who knows, right. There's poke show New Jersey close today, and so it's like it's not like every single Senate race is just a democratic incumbent. But anyway, that spin to me felt like a little implausible. I will say though we would expect under any circumstances, partisan engagement to be going up. Right? So I can imagine like that you're gonna see people see various indications that parson gates increased say because a cabinet, I think in the in the control. Roll group where like you don't have also post Labor Day intensity tends to increase. And yeah, he'll probably increase it, but I don't think the GOP's arguments for confirming him are very well argued, you know, I have little reason to doubt that Cavanaugh will increase GOP enthusiasm, at least in the short term. Right? I doubt that that could still not be helpful in veterans be detrimental if he does more to increase democratic enthusiasm, which there's some evidence, and if he does poorly among swing voters in that Quinnipiac poll, he was like a negative ten among independence which is about what you'd expect. Usually the independent numbers match the overall split in the poll, right. But like you know, your goal is to win the election, not to maximize GOP enthusiasm, and I think I think the fact that they always talk about them and not like the broader picture is is a little shortsighted. What was interesting is, you know, in Ford's testimony, she was both testifying as a witness, but also given her profession. In sort of remarking on the kind of science of how memory works right. Kavanagh's testimony had like a similar dual role going on. I was watching it and thinking about afterwards in that he was obviously testifying as a witness, but he's also like a decent stand in for the Republican base. And so when I, you know, I was watching him being and and engaged in that anger and I sort of thought yet, that's probably how the a segment of the Republican base, particularly white men will respond to. But it sounds like you know of all these possible slivers and segments to watch it really is democratic anger, slash enthusiasm that is going to be the kind of real defining here. You know, we've seen that result in one or two poles, but like we, we're going to have like by the time readers listening to this, it'll be a bunch more poles, but like very big gender splits in this Quinnipiac poll. So men favor confirmation by nine points. Women oppose it by eighteen points white without a college degree. There's a big kind of split their people without a college degree favor confirmation, white college degree favored by twenty eight points whites with the college street, oppose it by six points. The one thing that is a little funny is that Cavanaugh is not exactly like a working class hero. This is a guy who who's making that need to Yale Dr. Number school. Upbringing, but yeah, but this is not a guy who's like super. So I think the answer is where like, like, I got into Yale by Busta my, but you know, I think that was like not as relatable if I got into Michigan. Right? I know people got into yo, idiot. So I also do you went to an elite college. You know, there's plenty of people who drink in our successful. So what was the point here? There was not quite I got. Super. He's I do think there's a little bit of a risk to the GOP thing basis and going to rally around him in real point about this, you're saying that that he because he went to Yale, he doesn't resonate with Trump's base. Trump doesn't. Yeah, Trump's base on paper, but Trump is a very good communicator. I mean, I think I think gets back to what we've been saying and saying, which is there's a disconnect between how institutions behave and voters want. But at the end of the day, putting someone on the supreme court as a big enough prize that whether he connects personally or not, this is going to happen. All right. That brings us to the end. So real quick chick checking on the timetable Thursday is when in theory, the FBI report comes back Friday. Friday, and then we'll see what happens between now and then probably Laron I think confirmation Nate says there's a zero percent chance to vote to confirm Catholic, an accurate. It's an accurate, your opinion? No. I said six. That's the end of the show. Thank you very much. Sixty three Clare Malone. Thanks. Thanks Jodi. Thanks to you, Mike Cohen. My pleasure. And a couple of notes before we leave you. I is that we have a live show coming up on Monday in Washington, DC home of Brad Kavanagh and me as well. Talk Tober eighth go to five thirty eight dot com. Slash live for details. Lascaux life show was a blast. It was a real. It was really fun to see a bunch of you come out and do a live show with us. Yeah, I need. I need the mica fans in the podcast audience. Turn out this time. Schanche. So, yeah, come on out. 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76: The End of the Supreme Court, As It Was Known

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76: The End of the Supreme Court, As It Was Known

"This means that Donald Trump will be the forty fifth president of the United States. This is your life. Now this is our election. Now this is us. This is our country. It's real. Hi and welcome this week's forty. Fifth podcast. I am here with watch a highly back watch. Hello. Thank you for inviting me for a week with no good news whatsoever by appreciate it. I just saved me for the most depressing weeks and it was pretty bad last week too. I mean, I guess it kinda got worse. Yeah, air. We just found out last night that apparently climate change is going to destroy as much sooner. It's like a major story that otherwise would have been covered of it because we live in the Trump administration's like story number eight. But apparently we have until twenty forty to get our stuff together. Twenty forty because you read their port and if you had ready yet used, definitely read it. It's in your times. It's very sobering. Yeah. If you wanna feel happy, don't read it. But anyway, the actual numbers in there are like twenty thirty twenty two to twenty forty is like mid range. Optimistic very, yeah. Yeah. And that's just that's that's the optimist who actions medium optimistic thirty also possible for that like dire point. Basically, it is now unavoidable than in our lifetimes. We are going to live through global crisis scale. We've definitely seen since World War Two and possibly not even then. Yeah, we live in interesting times. We live in interesting times and it's one of the situations where I know on this. Podcast. I've said before, always give that analogy, and you know, people thought I was exaggerating that if if given a choice between renting a room to a woman or person of color or burning on the house, the angry whites will burn down the village and just feel like we see examples of that both here and in Europe end in now in Brazil, even those not whites, but you're seeing the rise of far-right the return through a liberal democracy. So that might be that might be our near future. Oh, and by the way climate change might destroy. So. So who knows? It's going to be either authoritarianism where the people who are poor marginalized, if you have ovaries, your person of color will be oppressed, if is reviving a blue state and have some nice property an internet access. You can make a go of it until twenty forty because then we're all gone. Yeah. Well, the, I think the story of the late twenty tens and hopefully not too much. The twenty twenties is going to be how. Resurgence fascism stopped the world from making one last great stand against climate change before. It was definitely too late. If we acted right now, if we acted on the scale, that's actually probably impossible given what we know world behavior we could dramatically stop right now. This moment in time what's going to happen before gone at this moment, it could be averted and won't be, but it could be. That's why don't have any faith because also what happened. Another piece of news that just drifted by because there were so many fires burned on this country is that the EPA the Trump administration's EPA use sketchy signs to say a little radiation is pretty good for you. So I'm not making that up for listening fortunately. Yes. So, and then you know America's one of the worst abusers, but you also have China that, you know, even though it's it's party to the purse, grim kind of is Knowles barred to the hilt. Deregulation giving zero apps. So when you have United States which has abdicated its role, one of many roles on the global stage backing away from the Paris agreement, and you have China n. you have from EPA saying, little radiation is good for you. It's it's, it's it's fascinating. Like, you know, the thing, isn't it? Interesting. 'cause everyone's both citing hate being right some with his whole cabinet thing. I just tweeted two days ago doesn't take a genius that everyone's talking about civility in both sides, especially Republicans. Now this both cider ISM is stunning because now you see the press picking up like, oh, don't be so angry women or don't go low and just let's have civility and move on. And mild question is, isn't it amazing that for some people in this country or the minority in order to feel great, they need a Justice cavern. They need kids in prison. They need unarmed black people being shot. They. Need deregulation. They need a tax cut for the rich. They need a little bit of radiation. So what does it say about them? And what does it say about the rest of us who are against it? Ashes them as a human impulse. We've not ever volved on it and probably never will probably and giving people have threatened privilege fascism rises again. And that's why I think you know all these people are talking about this, this being a pill. Before I, I hopefully, you know, turn the tide may. We could talk talk about what where some silver linings is. You know, people are talking about this Blue Wave and it might happen, but you don't, you know us to see the trends Republicans. There are a minority party. They've shrunk Trump. CNN, pull just came out that Trump is negative thirty one with women. It's stunning, but the independence are now buying into the Republican narrative that apparently what happened? The Cavanaugh was. No unfair and they kind of go for the pox on both houses. Both sides were wrong and you see this rallying of the base, and then we just saw today from Tennessee that was a Senate. See that could've flipped. Guess what happened? The democrat candidate was up by two points guests up now, the Republican candidate by eight points because just like you said, they're threaten it's all or nothing. Zero sum game and Steve Bannon said, as long as you play density politics, which white people have done all throughout the centuries of this country, he says, Republicans will win and because gerrymandering voter suppression, you know, I don't. I don't know if the Democrats can take the house into see think you're gonna. Keep act Taylor swift is not enter the ring. Oh yeah, the Taylor swift, but you know what? I put something here yesterday, Luna. So those were listening Taylor swift for the first time ever decide to throw a ring in politics, honor, Instagram, basically did a kind of basically said, don't vote. For Blackburn and basically went with, like, you know issue? No, I'm horrified by position on women. I'm horrified that she a vote for the violence against women act. I'm or you know, she's like I'm proud to be t I'm pro woman on prime more pro minorities and Donald Trump today said he likes her twenty five percent less, which is weird. You didn't miss. That just came goes, I like Taylor's. Twenty five percent less than so you like, you know, he's always precise number. Yeah, it's very presented ill when my thing was I could be wrong in a way I respected because everyone's on Twitter. The kids are on Twitter. The Taylor swift is not like your, you know, flaming lefty. She's a darling of America. Yeah, three, she's very specific in and makes a case for a specific race in Tennessee. So I'm wondering if that's enough, but with Cavanaugh she went up enough. I don't know. What do you think? Do you think democ Dem's will take the house? Maybe I, if they don't, then everything's over basically if everything's over having summer, like I really. I don't mean that in Bollock way. It's all over at. There's not one chamber where the Democrats have subpoena power without that everything's over. What do you think going to go down? How do you things are gonna go down. I mean, probably I think there's. I'm not going to say like, I feel good about it, but like a coin toss plus a little bit. That's going to be. Democratic house Senate know NIA Senate, actually low, probably lose one or two seats, but maybe we'll have a silver lining and like, you know, Ted Cruz will lose. You know what that might happen. Like everything else go terribly. But like one tiny little bright spas like actually Tigers law. So we got that at least it's this lizard in human flesh. Rub your describes him. Yeah, the scroll among us. It'd be like this one one sweet victory. But the thing is everyone says Trump's winning and they giving him too much credit because Trump can only win because Republican party let someone I think people are letting the Republican party off the hook, and I think they're giving Trump way too much credit. People forget. Like I think it's weird that there's a difference there drawing here because they're not anymore. Trump is Republican party or publicans Trump year, but now the press is finally coming up to that, right? But the thing is the Republican party. I mean back in the day another, it's gonna be me nostalgic elected officials were supposed to be servants of the people whose oath to the constitution in even when the president this supposed to serve as a check and balance because we have three branches executive legislative and the judiciary. The Republicans are letting him do. People. Forget that Steve Bannon said this in twenty fifteen in the summer of those big Bloomberg report. I'm forgetting the name of the author, but he wrote later, wrote the book, the devil's bargain, Stephen. The beautiful thing is like all these reporters, like chewy, take Trump literally in seriously. I'm like, yes, there are people open. One thing at both from administration. They're not settled like Steve Bannon Jeff Sessions. They've never been subtle. Steve Bannon said Trump is quote a blunt instrument, but I don't think he gets it might interpret nation of it is a, he doesn't get the white nationalist agenda. But Bannon said, that's fine. He's blunt instrument. The petition is like John ego. Oh, you think so? I think I think for it it was Bannon's agenda, which is restriction of Judeo Christian white civilization protected from the the Brown Muslim arts. And then if if if you here even the jokes Christians, they say the same thing, he's like our king, David, he's Cyrus, he's a flawed instrument and fought anymore. He just, he just an instrument, not even that he's no, he's leader eventually kills totally embraced. They're fully behind Trump as a person not just says, tool Bana and do just or Trump is h Trumpism. They, he is. They, they're not like Bannon Bannon knows what he's doing to while I don't know the case there. Dan is. His political skills have been far overestimated, I believe, but at least has awareness of what he's trying to do. Think that the others are aware enough that way to separate themselves from Trump like that Trump is them. They are Trump. But I think for the replica Kosovo for the Republican party, the reason why they're all in is because the base is now all Trump or infected with Trumpism, their donors of openly said, Lindsey, Graham at this forget that he openly admitted says they told us if we don't pass the tax Bill, not to come back. All the rich donors pass the tax Bill, which they did the got the justices might get a third or fourth one people are like, oh, they'll only get to. They might get three or four. Take back one of the chambers in like twenty before twenty twenty is that Trump will have unchecked power for the next two years, and they'll be nothing to stop him from a him. They're putting party from. I define political scheme where they don't need majorities to win. Well, that's already what's happening right. Does people forget that the majority Senate that bomb rushed Cavanaugh through a flawed process is the minority and the two presidents who lost the popular vote are responsible for putting the last four supreme court. Justice that's Bush and Trump. Trying to hire someone their lives you can do that are not smart. Now includes going through hundreds or thousands of UCS maze. Don't fly what you're looking for. And it also includes trying to, you know, half ass Ajab and not actually find the best job, but you know, what is smart going to recruiter dot com slash forty five to hire the right person. ZipRecruiter actually doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for you. It takes away all the hassle and the work. It's totally convenient. It has powerful matching technology, which scans, thousands of resumes that dentist people for you with the right skills. -cation experience for the job in actively than invites them to apply. 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Look what's happening in now you think about it in your like everything is just lined up so perfectly for it to come together. Right Trump was the blunt instrument minority majority rule gerrymandering barely won the election by seventy thousand of votes Russia essentially as winning all cross Europe without firing too many bullets. You have Poland. That's non gone pro Russia yet. Victor orb in Hungary, the rise of the Nazi party that basically the Freedom Party barely lost Austria Brexit and you see it right, if just barely barely got by. And then it reminds me, oh crap. People didn't vote because it. The whole boat sights will her emails. Remember all that two years ago I should get over it, but I don't get over it. I don't think histories when Gilbert for a long time. So have you gone over? So I just wanna ask us as the sole representation of fifty one percent of the mob AK women. Now there's some Democrats and Republicans finger-wagging sing, get over, Cavanaugh move on civil seen that. And I gotta say, I, I have Republicans like mostly there's no actually seen where have you sent Chris coons Chris considered already. That's totally Chris isn't. It doesn't surprise me and the tampering down impeachment talk. And now they're enough. Okay. Then peach mint is not going to, well, let's go to big oil literal elephant in the room, the knee Republican Justice, because it is clear that this now there always was clear, but now there's no doubt they political supreme court and what happened? The amount of awfulness can't be overstated. It's just one of those things. It's broken and can't be fixed. Again, we can make it better long-term, hopefully, but like we can't go back and our lifetimes. This was, you know, a devastating weekend and we're not a point. We have no idea what America's gonna look like five ten years at all. You know, it's gonna look like, I think post reconstruction, Erica, you're gonna see white rate. I mean, really, I mean that it's, it's gonna be minority majority rule, but the difference is unlike the nineteenth century, women actually have the right to moat and black people aren't slaves, and there's no segregation and minorities have avoids and white. People can't just eat both white liberals and white slave owners and segregationists can't just, you know, rule without any type of pushback in. That's what essentially is going to break the country I think is because you have like you mentioned minority majority rule. You have tainted supreme court now, right? Because it's tainted. It's tainted. I think in my opinion, we'll see how the interesting from academic perspectives even happens by at aspirin court is not institution. It was before it's from dad long spring court? Yeah, and McConnell. Just entered the White House east refer Cavanaugh. Any received a standing ovation in rod Rosenstein. Is there also because Kavanagh's is buddy? Yeah. It's it's bad it like, you know, if you believe in a liberal wing liberal in the traditional sense, not in the democratic lefty cents. If you believe in a liberal world order, what happened is the disaster. We'll see how much you're cavenaugh could be like a little more moderate than he obviously seems to be. It's possible. He will be like a lukewarm and some respects. I don't think so. I mean, check in Roberts is very far right. So when Roberts is your new Anthony? Kennedy. Demings. The court has shifted over to the window, everything in America, right? Of course going to be like as far as public could be from the rest of the United States, which is not tenable the long term. And he just because people are people starting people say, it doesn't represent me. You lose all credibility or legitimacy in the court. Again is supposed to be one of the Coequal branches of grim that serves to serve as a check and. Cabinet said, if we remember back in the day before the doctor Ford's testimony, he said the supreme court Justice should be neutral, should be neutral arbiter in unpire. But then during the right after doctor testified, he said off his own written words that he wrote what goes around comes around. And he also said, this was all part of, you know, a smear campaign done by the Clintons and the left that dude is now the deciding fifth vote, and so your your optimism, I shared it for like maybe two seconds, but I'm like, no knocked them. Yeah. And he, you know, he, he's cherry picked by the federalist you know he was can starts hatchet man during the Clinton impeachment. I mean, e she's like primarily political operative. He is Gorsuch is different. I don't like such a lotteries, but like Gorsuch as much more traditional in terms of his sucking. If I mean like sake for what I want to see happen, but otherwise does not have like a pardon history like like Kavanagh's Kavanagh's born out of parts. Cavanagh was born of tar Gatien Gorsuch it's just a really conservative. I cavenaugh is a part of the, I injure second. And so with Roberts the hope and Roberts is because Roberts if we remember was at saving for ObamaCare, it one, five, four and Kennedy people forget even though he, I mean it shady what he did. I, yeah, I, there's a lot of mixed on that. A lot of legal commentators attended, you know, it's not as it's not shady. It's, you know, it's being hype. I without endorsing it all the more extreme stuff going on. Twitter, that was all nonsense he did is inappropriate and damaging long-term to the viability report. And that's why was shady. It wasn't giving credence in conspiracy, but my thing that you know the fact is. His role in cabinet office, you know. But candy, people forget is a Republican who also was the deciding vote on some major cases and Republican. Never forgave him for Wade. They never forgave him for that. And also he's the one who wrote the very stirring and beautiful opinion. Legalize will give marriage equality, but everyone's now turning their eyes to Roberts. I don't see a, but apparently I was reading Kagan Roberts or having conversation about, hey, no one's going to respect the court. The majority of Americans will see us as a legitimate and, oh, by the way, where Coequal branch of government. But I, I just don't have faith in cabinet after his performance. You should believe people when they show you for who they are. I also think there's a range of ways he could rule and decide an issue. It's not necessarily true my guess that he would, but it is. It was possible. He would not overturn Roe v, Wade, give an opportunity. He could find another way to undercut it. An entrepreneur Tackett my guess is he'll overturn it, but I would not call it a foregone conclusion as point at say, for practical purposes, it's close to foregone, but there may be some shreds of at leftover, which will be good thing because offals would be there's a way could take down rookie weighed that wouldn't take down all the other host of rights built on. That's my, that's my office to cope right now is they take away weighed in a way that doesn't of this rate. Everything came before it will gut the gut it, and then the states, especially the red states are going to do everything their power to completely eliminate any clinics see this. It's not even stop there. I really don't think that the endgame endgame federal laws opposing one is access to healthcare. That's the end game. We're talking about the house in our conversation earlier. 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That's how do you motivate a large part of the base, anything in everything can be jettisoned anything. Everything can be sacrificed case in point Trump as long his, he's a blunt instrument that gets us to gut Roe v, Wade. It's all about abortion for simple for some of them and for others, it is purely regulation money. Our maga- go back to the time where white privilege was not in check. So this is my like everyone says, when was when was American. We've hearing for two years. I haven't exact date measure with you. My date, please nineteen fifty three right before Brown versus board of education decided in nineteen fifty four, which officially may segregation illegal nineteen. Fifty. Three is the high watermark. I sincerely believe if they could take the DeLorean they will take it back to nineteen fifty three's and when you talked to many the others, especially consort another place when they say when was ready, go the fifties. And then Trent Lott remember Trent Lott gun trouble. Bentley a lot of trouble when he when he said the good old days talking about pre nineteen fifty four. I really think this is death, rattle and death March. Actually, the death rattle has been into the death March white supremacy, and they're playing for all the marbles, which is why I'm not as convinced of the Blue Wave. Because of gerrymandering they need seven to ten percent. And I really do think Trump McConnell as usual, very good at rallying the base around an existential crisis, right? It wasn't economic anxiety. Survey survey finally has proven racial anxiety. You'll be a minority. They're coming to get your guns coming to get your women. They're kind of your religion. They're gonna get you. You will no longer have power the blacks in the minorities, Mexicans, the gays debt terrifies motivates the base and they all come out and they will. I think they will come up, but that being said, we haven't. No, we have to weapon Trump keeps telling them that it's fake news at they're losing you think so? Yeah, it it's, they have poll showing actually reducing turn out so that tiny edge we got is Trump's calling fake news that there might be a Blue Wave which will give some complacency. But right now though, I think just reading earlier today, five thirty gives it a seventy five percent chance at the Democrats take the house and they're favored by about four percent, which is, of course give or take the margin irritate four percent. But now this is silver lining. So we're talking about cavenaugh we're talking about being gutted by what happened. People forget hundred ninety one, Anita hill. All right, twenty seven years ago. The next year was drum roll please. The year of the woman nineteen Ninety-two was the year of the woman. If you're forget, it's not really quickly aware that point. Yeah, yeah, that was the one year of you. You know, you guys are taking all the years away from those one year of the woman and a record number of women based on what happened with Anita hill ran for office. You got six lady senators and twenty four lady house members and people forget that that was twenty some years ago before me to before time. Up before there was even really any smart, you know, nuanced education, sexual harassment, and the nation believed Clarence Thomas tuna, one compared Anita hill. So now we fast forward and we have to, we have times up. We hopefully have some more awareness. We have more female senators. What he thinks going to happen in a month. 'cause every week now is eight hundred days. The big question is how far can get pushed before finally break because they already know what women are gonna vote in favor of supporting students by Jordi. But if someone at some point it will at some point, the white woman support will break fail and my Burkan fail me go blow eighty percent. So with the close call. And if that happens, then there's beekeeper trouble from Republicans because I still need the white woman vote in order to get any Seru. And that could be teetering. It's not at all foregone conclusion, but on balance, what they've been doing is pushing it farther away rather than bringing closer to them. And so this is a thing where everyone saying this is a short term Peric victory for Republicans, but Republicans not parrot lifetime appointment. We got, you know, a five, four. We won for thirty forty years. And like you said, are all the guard rails are off. We spike the football, but exactly what you said. The secret weapon for the America is women and specifically white women. If just a sliver of these white women peel away from the Republican party just to sliver that could do it because it's still a hard heart south to get even the summer break because only so far went, women have voted in favor of white males. But what they showed with cabinets is that you're now having these negative double digit approval rating of cabinet with women and also white women, white college educated women, and some of them were Republican independence in this is also I think it's a shortsighted strategy Republicans because you think about it if they just played or appealed a little bit, if they just expanded the basis little aimed for the fifty, one percent get super majorities, but they just kinda don't. They're just like f- everyone were tripling down on her base. They're not gonna live to see over in distress. All. So why are they care? The goals are until the basically like tense expire. They don't have to worry Michael whoring onto worry about that happening. So the time that crisis happened, they'll be gone every concern about right now as the next ten fifteen years and maintaining as much controls possible and reform the world and to you know, they're conservative. Dream after that all bets are off, but you know, it will because Jesus is coming back and all of us are. And then there's a fraction who are literally doing it to bring Pakalitha which, hey, they may be the victims here. I'm actually I wasn't joking. I think people forget that that there is, you know, everyone talks about the Muslim extremists and your own white on here in America that our littlest who want the bible to replace the constitution want to be a Christian nation who want their religion enforced through the laws who don't really see this as a secular society and believe that it's their mission to pave the way for the resurrection of Jesus to come back. And if you read the end of times scatology which I have Jesus comes back in the first group that he goes after we'll take us. It's not the Muslims Jews. Jews don't fare so well and then the Muslim fair. So well, which is also interesting because you're seeing the largest Zayas boop in America's Jewish group. It's evangelized, Christians, joy. Jon hagey of Texas Christians United for Israel who by the way, one of the staunchest supporters of wait for Donald Trump, and he happened to be one of the pastors at the unveiling of the new embassy in Jerusalem. So that's, you know, all these. I think people sometimes forget the all these different parties in the Republican party are connected, not all necessarily sharing the same ideological goals, but willing to support each other for the type of long term. Short term gains consequences damned. And the rest of us the majority suffered, which is why the mid-term important, because it's the last shot for any sort of check. When I hit about thirty five years old, I realized I really didn't take my vitamins. But since then it's been nearly a decade. I have squabbled to get my daily vitamin intake in because you know what? I'm going to draw full of them. It takes forever to get all them in. 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I think that we've moved past the point where that's gonna matter. I hate saying that we just had an article week KOMO news time showing conclusively that Trump was a tax cheat and no one cared. We had more coming out this week about putting together links in the chain for Russian collusion. No one really cares. It's an accepted built. In fact, now that Trump is both a tax cheat in fraud and clue foreign governments when election and that's not proving it's not gonna change your mind. So you'll see, I think, corruption legal matter the corruptions, except it's known corruption is well known and no one cares. That's okay. So that's, that's my thing. I think the reason why no one cared about this really good, amazing New York Times report having people's rita's. Yeah, he's a crook. He's a crook. So what number one, but we still see the rush investigation positively. Most Americans do. They still see mother positive must do, and there was also a poll that says, even some. Republicans want Republicans to be a check on Trump. That's still a hope there and for independence and the people on the fence and also Republicans the things that people really don't like is corruption. Now the tolerated for Trump, but that doesn't mean they like. And so I do think if you can win over some of those independence get some of those publicans to not vote and win over some people on the fence, you go with three pronged attack number one healthcare like, hey, do you like healthcare? Do you like not dying? Will Republicans are take your healthcare Republicans adv? You note that's the most maddening thing. Also publican ads cycle or like we're gonna protect, pressing conditions, knocks plane, y knocks, they actually opposed to them running ads, blatantly saying, Democrats will take your healthcare way. We're trying to protect preconditions flam outline. It's working Trump and Senator rally. Democrats take preconditions. We're gonna protect them. They can say they want like they are going to if they have two more years of this, they will win the war to have a post resign. Well, I think we're only gonna persist because he's just lied more and more and more what you said is he's like, he says, they want to gut Medicaid. You're like, wait what it just, you know, lies upon, lies upon lies and after a while you need this, were you need. I think depressed kind of doubled down because the press based on the revolving door. That is the culture of Washington DC New York and basically all power. They want access. They want to be invited. They don't wanna play too hard ball. And so the both sides, everything even sometimes reflexive training and history and like operate for so long. It's not even some are reporters for sure. But overall, it's, this is how reports American to some worldwide are trained and educated and do their jobs, and it's really hard paradigm to break out for anyone. You know, I'm forgetting his name right now, but I think Daniel Dale Toronto Star is fantastic. Were calling all the BS. There's there's a few people who do it like, you know, with journalistic integrity and often because you can be an objective journalist and called BS. You know, you don't have to engage in this boat. Cider is minute thing. I think that's bad journalism, but I today as of right now and the bit skeptical about the wave I could be wrong. No one knows. I think I think it's more likely than not gonna happen, but that just doesn't mean all that much. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to be like this wreck. You might barely get the house and that's fine. Honestly, like all us barely barely enough in this case where it's like they need some kind of power. That's the problem right now. Public sentiment is a matter journals doesn't matter that much because if they have full control over every single branch of government, eight doesn't matter what the people think it doesn't matter. Public sentiment is they can block any process that can block any attempts to use legal system to do what supposed to do and pokes it won't matter. Yes, crush annoys people, but if they can stop any effort to investigate it and any effort to prosecute it, it won't matter what people think in the thing with the houses. The house will unleash investigation on investigation on investigation which should have been at least because of the rank corruption. The Senator of course will block it, at least it will be in the press cycle and at least will be checking balance. At least you know, and they can't block it all. Yeah, they can block it all and you will. You'll removed avenues who regard. Of your partisanship. You have to admit that this guy is objectively deeply compromised in in his duties as the head of the house intelligence committee, essentially a hatchet man for Donald Trump, and one other positive news is, I don't know if it's positive, but it's something which is interesting is lottery Putin's popularity. Plummeting in Russia in falling. Rush is not going to be this. There's some comfort that whatever happens Russia's not gonna win by when I mean come out well, except unless I take back, there's one long-term plan, which possibly is my theory about what the secret Russian plan here, and that is create a Russian temperate tropical paradise by Vance global moustaches possible. Oh, wow. Look at you. You went straight there. It's not the Jews control the weather, ladies and gentlemen. Putin. We are replacing our conspiracy in the week where George source conspiracy three went mainstream because Trump Republicans of mainstream that we're going with Putin controlling the weather. But you know, I just wanted to mention this George source conspiracy three. This is rooted purely in anti-semitism. I'm talking about the oldest antisemitic tropes of evil Jews using their power and wealth to subvert society in control people's minds. That's where it was born from. That's where it's come from from the gutter swamp exist on the fringe on the far right. And now that has become a mainstream talking point because both Trump and Republican leaders said, basically that George Soros was paying assembling this quote mob of women who were protesting Cavenham, and it just goes to show you how the Overton window has shifted so far right in what was considered fringe and looney just two years ago is now mainstream for the public in party. And my will get far worse before it will get better. Officials free tweet by nationalist. They tweet white, national slogans part has sailed. We now have a party in power of all levels of government. That is tolerant right now onto just tolerant of nationalism. But they're moving beyond tolerant to embracing art to accepting in promoting. I wouldn't say we're there yet. It's just the tolerance stage, but that's, I think it's gonna worse is because you losing women, you're losing black people, Laurie lost by people, you're losing immigrants, you're losing college-educated individuals, sliver of white women, a sliver are leaving sliver of the independence or leaving your base is going at older base is gonna die. Once you take away all their healthcare, they're gonna die. Faster. Coal isn't coming back infrastructure with Republicans. Never gonna get built and not gonna get internet. Which is further depress them a hurt them. Possibly God forbid kilson these people prematurely. And so this is a short term victory which makes them feel great again for the next ten years, but brings down the entire country. And the thing with the lost the culture war, they've lost the ideological work. They've lost the majority, which is why I still think Putin might win in the long run because America we weakens America gets divided and people forget. That's what Putin ISIS always wanted, but Russia's too weak to come back to wants to be nobody, Lisa America. It's weakened America win that way. But the outcome from Russia's not going to be great, but they can win in the gall strain or enemies yet. But you this whole, this whole Russia Centric pull that is attended to create is around many of the same propaganda mythic narratives of this resurrection of this nostalgic, white Christian empire, European empire, brave and bold. Old pure where there's a natural order. And by the way, the one thing people forget anything very important, especially in the week of the Kevin confirmation is we talk about how against immigrants black people. Jews, a major component of people always forget is what they think of women and the most threatening aspect of society is empowered women. And so they believe there's a natural order were Menon top and women have their rightful subordinate role in. If you see the fuel for outright recruitment, it's what special in college campuses with itself. Kidding. But. Yeah, yeah. The feminist women are emasculating men. Men can't be men. And so this is why Cava really does if you think about trigger is deep fear that, oh my God, the women are angry at their mob. They're taking over the take over our men in the white women who always been part and parcel soldiers. The Susan Collins of white supremacy are right there to make sure that they're protected by the system that oppresses their sisters. So it's gonna be interesting. I really am hoping on the white moderate women to come get people the next just helping a few more stop sucking as the highest right now. Just one to ten, how important socks as a man who always loses socks and his tap fix, I would put it on eight point seven out of ten, nine point five. Underselling. 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What do you think with the Susan Collins? You think she's gonna win? Twenty twenty now now I think she'll she might have gone too far. I don't see very strong Arden. I think she may have overplayed her hand in possibly even be running. Again, it's hard to say could be what we saw was her like, you know, planning your exit to be a lobbyist. Do knows. I, I think she'll probably go down that this. Here's other thing as Dyer's right now. Kavanagh reporting done that they should start done. Assuming Democrats can get any kind of hold in any chamber or any level of government, their stuff to expose it will be exposed and those supported him will suffer for it. He won't be impeached. That's not gonna happen, but those who supported him will be tied to it forever. I do think I grew here that this is a short term high. I don't think it's gonna last because one of those things when the does settles and more and more information comes out when more and more. Reflected when more people see what happened when they when the emotional high with draws its Dr Ford's testimony. It's his testimony in court, like it's the supreme court is now known as someone who has Cavanaugh on it. And Debra, Debra Ramirez there, the witnesses that they didn't investigate people will come up. It'll be more stories and the fact that Republicans double down Grassley Cornyn Collins like this stuff will add up. It's not even that, like I think that the lines are drawn part issued Cavanaugh is that the people support him didn't care if he's actually solved someone, will they still that's not gonna change your vote? Yeah, but we'll also come out, for instance, his involvement in stealing democratic politicians documents to us as part the Bush nistration that will not more and that hopefully still matters. I think it's still matters. I don't think you know the department thinks he has some shame in worries about his legacy in worries about the credibility of the court. I don't think he cares. He Kevin, I am simplifying a bit here, but nothing Kavanagh's done is that impress like he is impressive because he's worked. Political connections has a lot of ties to powerful jurists who can feed quirks through them. He has good allies. He has a really strong network as we seen, but he's never. I still don't see what about him possibly may when that he was spring court caliber level, judge I like beer. I'm nothing stupid. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. In fact, who doesn't love you goes, I worked my butt off and your grandfather was like, he's buried at you and that also kind of helped. Yeah, it's it's, you know, people need this propaganda. They need the myth of meritocracy to kind of lull themselves in themselves thinking that everything's equal and they got by on merit and to ignore the deep systemic injustices in inequality where fifty one percent of the population. Women does do the same amount of work, but get paid. Less and woman comes up with credible testimony where she's helpful. She's calmed, is intelligent, is helpful, is willing and open to anything for the investigation. And then her the accused gets to be belligerent angry. Tell like it is not answer questions, lie under oath, a talk back to senators and he gets appointed to the supreme court because of course all about merit. If it wasn't him. It wasn't cabinet. It would be another conservative jurist in many respects the be the same, but like it would be more bearable if it wasn't him on the court does not this sexual salting lying Pissy little dude, wanna port. There'd be like it would be a little more bearable, but it has. It has to be Cavanaugh Cavanaugh warrant extreme version of this power. He'll support Trump we're going now that's, and that's why people forget. And also Trump is in BuzzFeed. Just came out really good article that people to read about today that Trump people forget Trump gets to appoint his replacement Cavanaugh is or was a very powerful federal judge in Washington DC and that judge will have power over basically deciding there's a case coming over Robert, right? And so it all works out really well and and Cavanaugh based on his own writings is the one who has the most expensive view of presidential power and immunity. And so if you're Trump and your an unindicted, co-conspirator. Where most of your team, including your former campaign manager to have are convicted in her pleading guilty and mothers breathing down your throat and they have the financial trail and the chief CFO of your Trump organization that worked with mother. You're freak the f. out what better judge to put. Well, Cavanaugh apparently right now as we're talking is being confirmed and apparently giving an extremely partisan speech or Trump just gave with parts speech to announce him. So in case it's a any now, he's a neutral, a neutral, and Mitch McConnell said before, got a standing ovation and rod Rosenstein is there because he's cabinets buddy. Any shook the hands of Republican senators before taking a seat in the back and Laura Ingram is there even the Laura Ingram is not an elected official. She is a host of Fox News and the rule of us and the rule of right wing media. If indeed we have a future written by people were objective state TV state propaganda. It's it's shameful, but that's really what happens in dictatorships and saying that we're still, we're still not in quite the very worst time line. There is still a darker time line which we so far in that's Justice, Janine Pirro. That might happen. You never know the so far only in the second. Worst. No. But you might be it might be Lindsey versus Janine? No, I don't even know what I'd want there. I don't know how to choose between those two. Awful. That's shit. I might even go for session. I don't even know like sessions Graham are Pirro. Who would you choose. Like the first game ever because he's going to get rid of sessions after metro. He's gonna get routed Rosenstein. That's. The intimacy note here about why my pessimism rush enough to Gatien being able to matter if the house growing Rosenstein and Trump today spent some time on his little plane talking and afterwards Trump said that he believes trade, very fair, but the Russia investigation. All that's wildly inappropriate. All that's all assigned that there is no longer a wall between the investigation and who's being investigated, and he now has significant control over what's being done to him. And as long as Republicans have control over both the house and Senate after midterms, it will go nowhere. The brushing up station, no matter what it finds. It can have a phone call Trump call Putin and saying, hey, giving those heck deals right now, please, and it wouldn't matter. So it all comes down to midterms and I don't. I don't agree with you. It all comes down to the mid terms, but. You know when people say, oh, this never been a worse time in history. I always want to remind people that black people have been going through this since the beginning of American history. In the always found a way when they weren't being killed, raped beaten, lynched, hanged pressed to live their life with dignity and hope, and find something empowering. And we should look to black women to this out of this and to people of color into marginalized communities who have struggled and struggled with hope and found a way to build a community and climb the uphill climb. And you know, they're women running for office. There are people of color running for office. It still isn't over and maybe just maybe we hope that enough people care to come out and just for the sake of the democratic project just for the sake of the project to see if it gets revived act as a check and balance. But I said before, I'll say. It again. The midterms are month away. Every week is eight hundred days. We have no idea what's gonna happen next week, Suzanne Cass. So go talk to the white women in your life and tell them to rethink what they're doing. You said it not me. We just a few of them. So thanks again and we'll be back next week. Take care. A big, thanks to all our listeners for tuning into the forty fifth podcast week after week, and if you'd like to give us further support, you can do that by becoming a patron at patriot dot com slash forty fifth pod by doing so you can become a supporter and patron for as little as five bucks a month to do. So, again, go to patriot dot com slash forty fifth pod a shout, and thank you to our sponsors. They make this program possible, and I urge our listeners, please check out our sponsors and user products, and thank you them for helping us produce week after week. Thank you to our audio producer head a McCarthy. 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Ep.134 | Colion Noir Joins the Show & Christine Ford Testifies

The News & Why It Matters

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Ep.134 | Colion Noir Joins the Show & Christine Ford Testifies

"The blaze radio network. On demand. This is the news and why? Why? Why? Why it matters. Hey, I'm Sarah Gonzales. Welcome to the news and why it matters. We have another special guest in the studio today. Mr. coli Nawar from ATV. Thank you so much being here. All right, Pat top story today, Kevin here. Yes, I have a feeling that's going to Jason fourth straight day in a row. All Kevin. I don't know how to get through this and twenty minutes and overtime gonna happen. I know. I'm I, you know what I planned very little other things like we're just gonna go on about that pretty much the whole time. What about you polio Troy? Detroit, the best of my -bility. But yeah. Yeah, I know. I know. All right before we do that wanna make sure to think our sponsor my patriot supply. 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I can't depend on new breeds when this exactly. So right now you can go to prepare with news dot com and get a two week, emergency food supply kit. Get this seventy five dollars for two weeks of emergency food supply. That is an amazing deal. Go to prepare with news dot com. All right, gentlemen. I am opening up the floor for the the Cavanaugh hearings and I before we get into it, I do want to say as of the time of this taping, of course, we have heard pristine Ford's testimony, but we can't get into the cavenaugh stuff because it's ongoing. It's going on right now. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna talk about Ford's testimony today. We can save all of the Cavanaugh Cavanaugh part of it for tomorrow. So Dr Ford came up. You know, we talked about it on both filling in for Glenn on my show unleashed. And I saying as you've had a really long day had a long day of talking about it, but I actually believe she's been sexually assaulted. I had some sexual assault survivors who called and said they don't believe her at all straight up. Just thinks she's lying about it for for a number of reasons. But I, I kind of felt like she'd been assaulted just not by bread Cava. Yeah, which kind of fits into the fact that two other guys came forward and admitted to it, so isn't it? It's really, I don't know what would prompt someone to. They actually weren't the perpetrators. Why would you say even if somebody paid you, would you had mitt to something you didn't do? It's a felony definitely. Before loop? Yeah. Mighty to place myself. Hypothetically, in being a position guy who did that and came out and said he did, but the idea of somebody just coming forth just kind of willing, they'll know him. It was me. It's crazy. And it also kind of goes towards, I agree with you. I think that she probably was assaulted at some point, but it also kind of goes into how it got a lot of tweets today from people telling me what about the lights extra test. What about that? Well, we haven't been given the paperwork, even see the questions that were asked and all that stuff. And that could be for a very specific reason. So they could've asked her sexually assaulted not even asking her about Cavanaugh and it would show up as a positive until we see that paperwork. We're just not going to be honest though when I'm watching Murray cool, a lie detector tests, and I'll take it with all the way in the world news was lying. But. I think there's something to be said about the love how much weight we give to ally detector tests and a situation like this. It's just the consequences are just too high and the result to they're just too many variables with respect to test whether or not admissible dowry that just don't really allow in what it does do. The alternative is in court of public opinion. It gives a false sense of understanding of truth didn't more pass as well. Pretty sure he did. I think he did much you knew about light detector tests and how positive, because the the conclusion they reached was interesting because it wasn't. She's telling the truth, it wasn't. This was a positive test. It was no indication of deception or something to that effect. Seem like a powerful positive to me. Is that as positive is it gets though? I don't know. Well, I mean, I just think right off the bat. It seems a little bit shady to not disclose to just say, well, she passed a polygraph test, but we're not going to give you any more information about that. I mean, that's pretty relevant. If you're going to. Say she passed it and use that to bolster her credibility, even if be prepared to give the details release it. Let's let's all see. I didn't see anything today that made me think that this accurate sation is any more credible than it was yesterday. In fact, it actually seems less credible today than it does to me. I, I don't know how you can read anything else into it. I mean, straight off the bat, they asked her Mitchell, asked her about the the letter that she sent Dianne Feinstein, and so she goes, could you tell me in that letter, is everything correct? So you would think I wrote this detailed letter about my account to United States Senator. He would think that that is absolutely correct. She couldn't say that it was and she pulled it out. No, I used the wrong adjective there, right? That was actually the response. There was a semi colon that should have been a colon, and I think I left a dangling participle in the third. Czar exchange. I know, right? It was bizarre to me. My mind went okay. She's an Denia so they can get a little pedantic sometimes. But nonetheless, I was like. I started watching it from that point. Actually was entertaining. I was kind of entertained by it, which was maybe sick, which I'm not sure says a lot about the society, but my with I was into it. I was near for it all morning. Not stop watching something to say about the contrast in, you know. Know typically proceedings like that usually like which are news fest? Yeah. And then you have this this kind of barn burner so to speak with real people with affecting real lives versus something we see on TV that's Faye. I think everyone was entertained by, but to some degree, not to minimize what's happening here. But to degree it is also will say that. She is in many ways. A better presenter of information from an articulation standpoint than he is in. So which I think is incredible, doesn't bode well for him and a quarter public opinion. Something you found you found her credible. I, I. She was compelling. Yeah, yes. Yeah. And for me as an attorney, I'm I've been trained to kind of knocked back my temps at confirming bias or or engaging in certain buys that I have. I purposely try to restrain them remain objective in doing so that's kind of how it came to deduction. She, she speaks really well very clearly where cavenaugh not that he's bad or he's not our ticket. It's just she does someone such a way that's very compelling and I can see the broader spectrum of people in the world don't aren't necessarily consider intellectuals or or people really look past the surface level of situations like this and say, you know what? She's telling the truth either leave for purely based off the way she that they made that she made them feel watching her daughter store before we keep going speaking of her being compelling. Let's watch a little bit of that. What is the strongest member? You have strongest memory of the incident, something. You cannot forget take whatever time you need. Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter. The brays laughter between the two and they're having fun at my expense. That's compelling. It's very, it was very polished, you know, but the so what I hated thing was one of the holes that they poked earlier. I feel whenever she they asked her about walking down this, the boys walking down the stairs, and in her initial statement, she had said that they were talking to others at the party as they exited the room. But then today she said, I don't know if there were other people there so they were talking and laughing, but then there weren't other people there that they were talking laughing to now for first of all, that was only the one of probably one of that was the only legitimate question I ever heard coming from Democrats on this. It was usually the standard went monologue for like time allotted grandstand and then a praised her for how brave she is, and all that stuff with no actual, no attempt a lot. Actually let her tell them what happens. A lot of the bottom now. If you're just gonna be honest here, I think I think you said something that was incredibly port. I think you said it as well. Piggyback off the idea of something did happen to her. I do believe that. Yeah. Now the question is was having all right. And I think what's happening here is that's getting lost in a lot of the discourse that's happening and her storytelling. And then like you said, some of the some of the Democrats grandstanding it's. Yeah, something probably did happen to you, but was it cavenaugh? So that's that. Exactly. And that's, you can't ruin a man's livelihood over. And that's another thing that makes her less credible in hearing the story straight from her is that's her only memory that she sure of. The only thing she serve is one hundred percent. Everything else is a little bit how she got there. She got home, right? Who was there? It was where the house was and think about how important it is to name the person that drove you home. They're going to nonstop saying, what is what's wrong with you? Why are you like this? What happened? She would have told that person, everything that happened or if not, they would have been able to testify that something was very off. Yes, I did take her. She's stormed down. I took her home. It's very reveals a lot in my opinion that that person has not come forward and they asked her later, you know, has ever actually answer that. Why? Yes. Yes. She said no. So that was very big. I mean, I, I just don't see how you read after today. How you read into the fact that she is. A credible witness. A lot of people were saying she credible witness Macau. She a credible witness when every single person the allege witnesses, these you said they're all deny it. But the person that that probably would be in her corner her best friend Kaiser at the time specifically asked, why did she deny this? She put under the bus and said a health reason? Yeah. So does that mean a mental issues? I don't know what else it could. That was a dog I've ever seen in my life time. Much lifelong friend, right? Yes. We're still friends to this day. It's not now. Well, she said, I'm sorry. Yeah, so I don't know. Maybe there's some kind of relationship there. I was incredibly disappointed in Mitchell's, lack of follow up questions on some of these things. How do you not continue to push that? She didn't push that the other thing, the beach friends, which is another thing that went towards credibility, her beach friends, her stabilize was her beach. Friends told her like you have got to take this at least to the press or somebody. Now think back to her original statements original statements was she never mentioned this to anybody ever her husband wolf her, her husband, her husband and her therapist. Then after talking to them, she took it to the congressman. What I remember the name of the congressman interstate. That's right. And then the Washington Post. Now this blows that out of the water. So she told a group of beach friends, her words all about this. And this group of people who are these beach friends that was never. There was no follow up on that, but you cut her in a lie on that beach friends who she was meeting with, presumably because she had flown to the beach to get there. Another lie that night rich. So if we back up, she said that she couldn't come and testify sooner because she had this fear of flying and she just needed more time which at the time you were called monster. If you dared say that that was a delay tactic. And then I think we have a clip of the questioning going on about her fear of flying whether or not that was a factor watch structure for it. How did you get to Washington. In airplane. Okay. It's I asked that because it's been reported by the press that you would not submit to an interview with the committee because of your fear of flying. Is that true. I was willing. I was hoping that they would come to me then realized that was an unrealistic. Offer. It would have been quick trip for me. Yes. So. That was certainly what I was hoping was to avoid having to get on an airplane, but eventually was able to. Get up the gumption with the help of some friends and got on the plane. Also saw on your CV that you list the following interest of surf travel, any imprint this, he's put Hawaii streak. Oh, South Pacific islands in French Polynesia. Have you been all to those places cracked dry airplane? Yes. And your interests also include Oceana Griffey a Hawaiian into to Huston culture. Did you travel by air as part of those interests? Correct. Thank you very easier for me to travel going that direction when it's vacation. Agreed. I'll play devil's advocate. Okay. I now I'm kind of indifferent about it, but I largely hate it fly for a long portion of my life at still hate it. Yeah. I would line terrified of it because I'm control freak. So I would still fly. However, I was more inclined to fly to places where I really wanted to be at the destination. Okay versus so. But if it was somewhere I didn't want to go, I would purposely come up with reasons roadblocks to why couldn't make it. But I mean, if you're gonna, that does make sense to me if you're gonna go so far as to tell the world that this happened and say that it's your civic duty to make sure that the public knows and that you know the Senate knows and that they can make an informed decision, wouldn't you then realize, okay, I've already put myself out there said it's my civic duty. I kind of have to follow that up with going to tell them in a perfect world. You right? And I absolutely agree with you. But what I think may be happening here. I don't want to word of mouth, but. I think sometimes when we deal in, I think we're in a very, very dangerous time. First of all, let me just put that out there right now. I mean, I got, I got friends pledged celibacy, go things like this. People do need understand the gra- like the level of danger involved in making an accusation and not following it through. I think it's, I think she may have kind of short. I was about these very bad analogy, but in all seriousness, I think would've may have happened with her. She thought she could just put it out there and walk away, and no one was going to question people who have followed up and they've put in an anonymous tip and said, oh, he did this to me. I'm not gonna exactly right. And I think it be took on a life. She may have not expected to take on as she didn't push the severity of the accusation. Considering it wasn't doing time that she might have been promised to that, the Democrats might have said, look, you don't. You're not gonna have to go in for testifying there. We're going to get a delay off of this. Don't worry about it. We'll we'll, we'll tackle this later on after this gets delayed another week that she does strike me. Probably get some of this, but I've seen it before she. She does darkness socially awkward. So I can imagine this is she hates this absolutely hates. The scrutiny hates being in front of everybody for she doesn't like it at all, especially considering she doesn't have much in the way of control as an educator as professor her classroom, she complete control of the situation. And I think I'm inclined to agree with you in that regard to, I think they made a promise of moon to come out and do this because they have their own engine. Yeah, definitely. And then as a result of that new that could always just ask forgiveness later on, like guess what got in Washington. So let's take a break. We'll get back. Springs. Linpac is coming line to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing. Glenn back line, the addicted to outreach toured on tour this fall. Lot more to get into on the hearing. But before we do that one of our sponsor brickhouse I know we've talked about it yesterday, I think, but dawn-to-dusk has been a lifesaver for me if you are in the market for something to keep you going about midday you crash dawn-to-dusk is awesome. It's like you're drinking the coffee, but you don't have the jitters. You don't feel weird like your hearts about the pump out of your chest. It for me, sir. Has insane energy, and this is coming from now. I know. Yeah. Copy anymore. All right. Also I don't sleep, but anyway, I digress. They've also field greens. I know Pat is a big field of green book because I don't put a single vegetable in my into my body except except when I drink it because I can't stand kale. The only way that you can afford to eat kale is when you put a lot of coconut oil in the pan, and then that allows the kale to slide into the trash. This, I'm getting all kinds of SuperFood feel degrees. Yeah, delicious. It's even water. If you wanna try it, try it like that as well. You can go to brick house blaze dot com. Use offer code green to get fifteen percent off of your order, or you can text the promo code green to four one, four, one one. All right. Jumping back into all of the hearing stuff. I wanna play wanna get back into the conversation, Jason. I know you said there were a couple more points he wanted to make, but I want to take a listen to what Jake tapper had to say about the hearing. These accusations by these women against judge Cavin are so brutal. They're brutal accusations, and his denial is so unequivocal that that there's nothing that happened the that he can even understand why these charges would be brought forward. The charges are upsetting and they're obviously they've triggered an entire national conversation about sexual assault. And sexual harassment about the unequal way that women and girls are treated in this country. At the same time there is as of now, no contemporaneous corroborating evidence for any of the charges. As far as we know, we haven't seen anybody emergency. Yes, I remember that and that is an important part of the story as well. That's what I love about. That's what I love about it all the straight both ways. He knows that he is doing it the right way when both sides are mad at him at different times, completely Ruth them. I don't think Dr Ford belonged in front of the dice today. I don't think she belonged to have her day in the hearing. I don't. I think that if there would have been somebody cooperating even like Nita hill, if there have been some, at least one of the person that said, yeah, this is how this person acted in in the workplace then then that would have been enough to say, yes, now she deserves her day in front of the hearing, but everybody denied it. Everybody has denied it. There's not one single person that can back it up and to the contrary, they absolutely say, no, this did not happen including her own friends. Once that came out, I would have said, no, this is done. We're taking a vote personally. That's what I. I think it's one of the most dangerous precedent. Yes, it's history, especially for any public figure lives because at this point now as long as it becomes politically expedient or whatever Jindo that may be maybe living on the surface. Also one has to do is create a compelling story. Talk about it and you're done. That's it day in court. There's, there's nothing you can do. Just a mere accusation of it done. Like I was listening to Trump Noah who revenge was unbelievably unfunny and he was talking about it and stand up is good though. That's what's so weird. I think stems terrible. He seemed like a cool guy. I just don't think he's wanting. But you know he was making a joke about, you know, someone saying that, you know, these accusations could you know ruin his life and he made a joke is like, oh, in what you'd have to go back to the blood minefields of of Sarah Leon, and it's like, well, dude, what do you think is going to be like activists? He's live with us now even potential employers. If that's the route he seeks to take are going to look it up. Do I want to deal with this? Do I want to have that had these issues with somebody who's been accused just optics of it. People undervalue the importance of optics in the state of where we are in this country and just being accused whether you are male or female of something like this is a nut to ruin you. It's here. Even if you don't have your day in court, they will ruin your line. Yeah, for sure. Jason, I want to know what you thought about. I guess you and I were paying attention to social media to Twitter, right? Which was just a giant dumpster fire. I had to finally just be like, I give up with you. People just can't do it. The people who were rushing to judgement, even some of the democrat lawmakers. They were rushing to judgment on already saying, I believe that this happened, I believe they hadn't even heard Cavanaugh yet. Right? So I mean, how would it be fair to say? I mean, I believe her, I think that it happened. I think that we should just you guys should cancel this because we need to. We need another supreme court nominee. Well, it's ridiculous. Like, how can you just unequivocally say that? I believe this accusation when there's literally nothing to back it up, your all your believing. In is words. You're not believing. There's no substance. There's nothing behind those words. That's all it is. What they should do is they should turn it around and say, I always say this to my kids as like not only just treat other people as you do, but always think about when you're saying something to people are doing stuff, always turned around. Imagine if they're doing it back to you. So all these people say, I unequivocally believe this person just based off of accusations. Think about put yourself in that situation. What if it happened to you? Let's take a break. We'll be back. Heard from him. Up next enjoy bonus overtime content from the news in white matters available exclusively for podcast. Listeners and blaze premium subscribers become a premium subscriber at the blaze dot com slash subscribe. Something back into this. I want to make sure that we're very clear here saying, I don't think that anybody at this table is saying that Dr Ford is making this up as some ploy to stop a Republican from being nominated with that. Be fair. Nobody hears saying Ford is making it up. I'm not saying that it's genuinely believe that. Going good. That's I'm saying, however, what I don't like is the current state of our country where if someone genuinely believes that they can't say they can't say that without being ran through the mud. Oh, right, right. Exactly. But I just wanted to make that clear that you know, I think we're all in agreement that something happened to this woman, but you know, as a sexual assault survivor, you can't just say something happened to me, but then the rest of the facts don't matter. I mean, we have to take a look at the bigger picture and then determine if it you know whether or not it's reasonable to assume that this man did this, but going off of the facts that we have today. Tie think that she's not being truthful and who assaulted. Do you think she just genuinely remembers that it's him and it wasn't. I think this possible, and it's interesting because I thought she was credibly yesterday and for all the reasons you just mentioned, I thought something happened to her, but I don't think it was cavenaugh but how credible was cavenaugh in that interview on FOX, I thought he was very credible and so was his wife and I, I believed him, but, but going again, but going out the facts today, not only does it seem like the thing with Kevin? Oh, it wasn't Kevin all. But the entire scenario appears that's not true. Like she has specific memories of this happening at this place, but no one can confirm that. So you just location. So you don't think that something happened to know? I think that something did happen to her, but at some point, but this specific this specific case, it's so detailed from her that it was like these people were involved. None of them say it's not true. They all say it's not true. This house doesn't exist. This party never existed. One of them her best friend. I don't even know the guy. Did you notice? Did you notice at the end when they were wrapping up her testimony and I, I was listening in the car, so I think it was Grassley, but I'm not sure, but he said, I just want to put on the record that we have sworn statements under penalty of felony from all of these people that she just mentioned was at the party and they said that they weren't there. And immediately the Democrats were like, no, you know, you can't put that in. No, and they started scrambling. They really concerned me. They didn't want those entered into the record almost every single one of them wanted their letters of believe, Dr road, they've made sure multiple letters and then grasps sure, but but the actual factual information about the people involved. They didn't want to have anything to do with them, say when you're pushing a political agenda, actually trying to help someone into something exactly. And I think we saw proof of that today. Democrats waited less than thirty whole minutes to start fundraising off of all of this. So we have some fundraising letters that Hirono and Booker sent out. But as you can see there, this is Harare knows and she's asking for a donation to support her reelection campaign come. Because the main reason here she says, she's spending every minute of her day fighting Republicans who are desperate to rush, rush, brick, having nomination, and this has to be her focus. She has to be able to do that, but she needs your help Hawaii. Ken, she count on you to donate to her campaign which by the way I take issue with all of them saying that Republicans are trying to rush this as a Feinstein, didn't sit on that letter and then so here we see booker's it's basically the same thing. We should all be concerned about what it would mean for our country. Judge cavenaugh is confirmed to the supreme court. I'm going to be questioning. Him this week. We can only make a difference if everyone steps off the sidelines Adra name and join me in this fight. Also give me your money, love Spartacus. So. I mean, it's just ridiculous right after the testimony started, they were already sending these emails out if that's not totally transparent that this ball political. I don't know what is. I was gonna say that a lot of the questioning from Mitchell seem like they were trying to get out, get out the, you know, are trying to make it known how political this was. That was the line of the question regarding the flight that was when the polygraph test who pay for the polygraph tests. They actually came out. They got her to Dr forward to admit that Feinstein Stein was the one that recommended cats as her lawyer. Everything was kind of a kind of centered on bringing that out. Go ahead, no, even you know, even. Prepatory soliloquies that they had with the allotted time instead of actually asking questions and get to the bottom of this, spills it out. Clearly all it is virtually signaling in grandstanding. All they were doing it was to get their moment so that they can utilize that sound bites to push forward and say, I'm fighting for you. Now, both sides are both sides are guilty of this kind of opportunistic fundraising, right? But there's got to be a line where it's like God like this is just getting ridiculous like we'd get politicians. This is kind of what you do, but it's like, this is something about it just stinks when it's so close. It's just like Rudy minutes, right? They kept calling for an FBI investigation, and I can't imagine any law enforcement organization in the world. Launching an investigation just off of hearsay. When all the other witnesses that she said, she gave all the night had ever happened. Investigate right. I was thirty six years ago is why a lot of them are are saying we need to invest it because they know they know it's going to be an inconclusive. He said she said, there's no investigation to be had. They've already looked into him six times. The one thing that I remember Dr Ford said she goes, this is something that the guy could look into it. They started investigation was whether judge worked at this supermarket Safeway, I think it was or whatever when he worked there and I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Standard operating procedure for your for lawyers is to hire a private investigator to look at all these things and get all the information. So you give public that's standard operating procedure. I guarantee you, they've already done that. And the reason you have doesn't need to do that. The reason it seemed like the reason that she wanted that investigated to find out when cabinet worked. There was not just to narrow down the timeframe of wit exactly nineteen eighty-two this supposedly happened, but also because Mark judge to her, looked uncomfortable when she saw him at Safeway. Okay. You're gonna. You're going to draw the conclusion that it all happened because you think that Mark judge was uncomfortable when he saw you at a grocery store, it's unbelievable. Scant little to go on with any of this. And again, you know, I just it hard. It's a difficult position to be in in the media talking about this because it's, you know, we're not trying to be callous to someone who has experienced some sort of sexual assault. But again, facts still matter. You know, the circumstances still matter. And I just I fear that we're at this time kind of like what you were getting colon that you know now a mockery is being made of this entire movement, and I think that it's going to backfire, especially with like, for instance, black lives matter. We talked about this. I think it was yesterday or the day before that initially at the heart of it, there were issues that they were bringing to light really needed to be addressed. And then it gets co opted by the by other people. And then now. Yes and no one finds them, you know, as credible. So I feel like that's what will want to down with black lives matter like organization. Yeah, I think the sentiment of the movement in of itself still has credibility in the action here. Exactly because when people hear they associated with the rioting and all that other stuff that's going on and same thing is happening here with the metoo movement. This is now forever associated with me too movement, and we're going to see all of these people grandstanding talking about things that we have absolutely no proof of that may or may not have happened thirty five years ago trying to ruin a man's life over it. I think what we're seeing like. So I do believe for for a long time in this country, there's been kind of underground element of certain people taking advantage of. Where women weren't taken seriously or man who are victims of sexual assault misconduct so forth. And so on, who didn't work in a position come forth against very powerful people on. I think I think allows powerful people took advantage of that and understood that they were gonna come out saying anything and just continued on bed. As a result. There's been this attempt at shifting pendulum back to where people get empower victims who have experienced these things and be able to come out and face. The people have done these things to them. The problem is is now there too. It's it's over zealous. So now they're pushing the pill and the complete opposite direction way too far to the point. Now we're not. We're literally centrally looking at Salem, witch trials that are happening on a regular basis and our media. And as a result of that, I agree that that momentum gotta go somewhere and it's going to be opposite reaction. It's going to showing all the way back. And like I said, like I have friends who are just like consequence on from cultural perspective, I have for Angelou. I'm just going to become. It because it's just not worth the risk. And even even in doing that, all it really takes his Asian. Right back so that you're not even protected in that regard. Challender which again, I'm like, okay, I'm making mental notes. I have a six year old nun. Okay. So I have to make sure he keeps his calendars. To make sure that he keeps them up to date. You know, I have to make sure that he always asks for consent. And actually by that point, he probably is going to need to get it in writing and get it notarized. Someone at the Bank probably do a fingerprint on it, maybe a little a little with some blood just to make sure that all of this in the clear anytime he wants to hold hands with the girl problem is again back to same thing by the time he takes all that information and presents it has already ruin right. Exactly. I know the major argument that I'm hearing from, I mean, social media take that for what it's worth, but. I mean, he hasn't ruined. He's still gets to go back to just be a circuit court judge. No, he doesn't. Down in a restaurant because he's friends with Brad Kavanagh. His life is going to be forever changed by that insane. So Jason, we didn't get to talk about Rosenstein because that would have been the biggest news today. If this was going on. The beauty of. He's so he postponed to next week though. Yeah. I really think it was just because of the cavenaugh hearings will maybe not. I don't think that there's any there for Trump. There's nothing. I don't think there's there's nothing for him to say there because I guarantee you no matter what his first inclination to do was probably the fire Rosenstein, but I think that incredibly smart people and actually local savvy people got his ear and said that would be political suicide. And I think he actually listened to them. But yeah, I don't remember his direct statement today or was it yesterday, but he basically said that, yeah, I've talked to him. He basically said it was all a media thing, and he said he respects me. So again, that's politically smart. He's throwing the blame on the media which base already completely hates, and it's something also he can sympathize with because the media has been pretty unfair to him as well. So yeah, I fully expect sometime next week for them to actually have the full sit down. But I think that immediately afterwards, they'll be shaken hands and Laffin and he'll be complimenting him on Twitter or something like that, but nothing's gonna happen if he did fire him, that would be awful. That would be awful. Tell the audience by really quickly before we go, well, you'd have all those people claiming again, comparing this Nixon and saying that he's getting rid of all the people to shut down the Russian investigation optic politically show that you have nothing to hide. You keep saying nothing to hide. Let him continue that. Let let him go through and then then you can say, I did manipulate it. See, I let it go. That's. The best way to handle this. Okay, really quickly before. So we're getting to the poll, but I want to set up the poll by saying, I was listening to mainstream media, talk about how most people are not going to watch all the hearings. Right? They don't. They don't have our job. They've got normal jobs where they, that's not their job and they have to focus on their job and they didn't listen to the entire hearing. Therefore, they're going to be relying on the compelling clips that the media plays, which the compelling clips were as we were talking about earlier Ford talking about, you know, remembering their laughter and all of those little clips that are just perfect, perfect. Little package to air on the news are all going to be talking about her experience and not going to be able to get into it and they were talking about what an effect that might be on the public opinion. So we want to know if you did watch the hearings or are you just relying on the clips. To guide you on the he said, she said, battle. Let us know at the blaze on Twitter, really? Have you. So much for coming on. We will see you guys tomorrow on the Friday show. 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9/26/18: Does Kavanaugh Survive?

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9/26/18: Does Kavanaugh Survive?

"Hello and welcome to powerhouse politics. ABC news, political director, recline and I'm Terry Moran ABC's senior national correspondent. And Terry. We are sitting here on Wednesday, less than twenty four hours away from one of the most anticipated moments of the Trump presidency. Maybe one of the most anticipated moments in modern political history today where judge breath Cavanaugh will face down one of his accusers, Christine Blasi Ford before the Senate Judiciary committee, the supreme court hanging in the balance Terry. You've been here before you've been covering a lot of these. A lot of memories and echoes of nineteen ninety one in Clarence Thomas of what what do you see is the stakes coming into tomorrow? Well, the court, obviously, but then there's something the Anita hill Clarence Thomas hearings showed as well, and the need to heal said on good Morning America. The other day, this moment changes the trajectory of two lives. We're gonna get to the politics of it. This is politics powerhouse podcast. But spare a moment for a little bit of sympathy for these two individuals, their lives will never be the same and they have to go forward in trying to remember what happened thirty five years ago between them in front of the country, skeptical questioners on both sides and that's at stake. But more more to the point of this podcast, it's not just the supreme court. It could be the Republican majority depending on how this is handled and the fact that there are more cues coming out makes it even more uncomfortable for Republican and the and the trajectory of the Trump presidency. All three branches of government in a sense on trial under the microscope, a lot to be determined and we went on pack all of that today. But I want to start with the news because just this morning, Michael ovens who's been teasing, big announcement on Twitter appears to have delivered on what he promised, and he has an David that's been submitted to the Senate Judiciary committee that has detailed allegations from. A new woman we hadn't heard from before Julie sweat, Nick who talks about multiple incidents in involving Brett Cavanaugh and his friend Mark judge take a listen to Michael vanity. Also known as the lawyer for stormy Daniels, of course, on the view this morning. The drug women by placing grain alcohol or drugs in basically the punch at these parties that may of these women ended up gang raped. Unfortunately, I mean, the details in this declaration are specific. They are shocking, but above all else, they are true Terry Moran we are now talking about gang rape. Yeah, and and there's a couple of things about this. I duly sweat Nick was in the same social circle. She describes she says she attended about ten parties over a couple of years with Brett Cavanaugh and his friend Mark judge who actually Christine Blasi. Ford alleges was in the room when she was allegedly assaulted by cavenaugh. Judge inciting Cavanaugh on allegedly and Julie sweat. Nick says, she knew these guys and she knew them at these apparently wild parties that were going on the DC suburbs in the early. Nineteen eighties where they were. She said she observed them spiking the punch targeting vulnerable, young women, teenage girls, if you will, and and then take them into a room and she would. She alleged that there were gang rapes going on, boy, young men waiting outside the closed door of the room to take their turn. And she finally alleges she was one of them. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's written to me in a in a slightly of a very careful way. I should say where leaves unclear whether Cavanaugh was in fact one of the attackers at least the my reading of it for her, particularly. She talks about that cultural generally, but it is a stunning allegation that comes on the heels of the initial allegation. Christine Blasi Ford of attempted sexual assault where she says she even feared for her life at one point, the accounts in the New Yorker, the dating from the time that he spent at Yale and Terry. I think one question that emerges to my. Mind and a lot of Republicans. I've been talking to racist point that suddenly this man went in the course of all of this vetting. He went from being a boy scout from being a prep boy nerd to being an alleged gang rapists in the space of ten days or so. What do you make of how this turn and the timing of this turn that all comes after the confirmation hearing? Well, it's the intersection as Clarence Thomas, say, hill hearings were of the deeply personal and the highly partisan political. That's what we've got Democrats want anything to beat this guy. They did a very poor job on the merits in the hearings trying to find some ground to get people to vote against him into pose him. And now they have an exploration of his life as a teenager. In the answer the question, how could this have happened while there's only two, there's only two answers really one. It didn't or two. There's a very deep dark buried black box in his life that he has shut down a longtime ago and covered it up with a with a very devout and apparently exemplary adult life, a guess that's possible. One of the things that is common in both of those and cavenaugh acknowledges it drinking. The one thing that I witnesses confirm whatever they have to say about. About his intimate behavior is in those years. He drank a great deal, and, and another thing that's extraordinarily about this week, Terry, as you know, is that for the first time in history that we know of a supreme court nominee has done in the interview to try to rebut this in advance of additional public testimony on Fox News. So of course, a friendlier outlet than than most, but but take listen to judge Cavanaugh. We should know this specifically his response to the New Yorker allegation that dated from his time at Yale. The women I knew in college and the men I knew in college says it's inconceivable that I could have done such a thing and the New York Times reported that just last week, the person making the accusation was calling. Other classmates saying she was not sure that I done this. So that gets your point about the about the compartmentalization of his life, perhaps the black box of it. What do you make of the way that cavenaugh himself has pushed back on this. This has been a strange ten days to my mind because the initial allegation came out and then another one comes out a week later and now a third. But we still we haven't had a full public accounting from the first allegation yet that's going to happen tomorrow the Senate Judiciary committee, but Cavanaugh Cavanaugh has pushed back in the interim he has, and I think he was in a terrible position. I think from his perspective, what's he supposed to? How do you prove negative? How do you prove that thirty? Six years ago, five years ago, you weren't in a specific room at a party, very, very difficult to prove that especially when there is no direct corroborating contemporaneous evidence from Christine Blasi forty told people of the past five or six years, but not for decades. In between that said, what if Cavanaugh had said, look, you know, I don't remember doing this. I don't think I did. I. It's nothing that I think I would do, but I know that I was a little out of control in highschool drinking too much. And if I. Did this that to this person, Christine, Blasi Ford, I, I'm, I'm sorry. And it is terrible. It doesn't seem like something I would do instead. It became very quickly the position that the president has basically articulated, which is don't believe the women. Yes, and that is a political loser. And and I think that's an important point to make an all of this. And I think we talk about similarities and differences from nineteen ninety one. The fact that we are in this metoo era where there are other women who are coming forward and understand or believe they understand where these women are coming, why they're coming forward decades after the fact and dishes at a president who himself has stood accused of of sexual misconduct in the past and has has used this playbook. Take a listen to help President Trump handle this when he was asked about it while in the at the United Nations in New York are playing a. A con game, is there. No, they know. And they wink each week. They know it's time. So for this to be a con game it, it suggests that Democrats are in cahoots in dropping these allegations. And it also suggests, I think more than suggests it outright says that these three women now are making it up. And the first part of that is kinda undeniable that the Democrats, dine Feinstein had these allegations, didn't share them with Democrats or Republicans, Christine Blasi. Ford is being advised among other people by Ricki Seidman who was I remember was a counselor to Nita hill. She was on the Ted Kennedy staff Senate staff. She worked in the Obama White House. She's a longtime democratic operative as are some of her other advisers and Deborah Ramirez shared her allegations with democratic staff. I and they didn't tell Republicans have so you can understand why Republicans are saying, wait a minute. This is not about a search for the truth as it is a weaponising of. Allegations, that's probably true, but they are there. And at this point I don't see how you don't delay this hearing or have another one, I think of cabinet wants to go through to in order to air out to at least take a look at this worn affadavit from Julie's sweat, Nick and delay means death for this nomination and President Trump those that and his been already saying publicly, they should push forward on this week ago. Regardless of the allegations, his feeling feelings that Republicans have been accommodating enough given too much ground to Democrats. And that is the view among some Republicans unclear at this stage though whether they have the votes. And I think that's that's a critical piece is that strategy only works if you can get that person confirmed. I think as of right now, they do not have the votes that a lot is riding on this hearing for only a relative handful of senators, but but the critical senators. Well, and I wonder and I wanna ask you Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, the majority leader, the Senate has been saying for a week. Now we're gonna. Get this thing done. We're going to get it done fast. We're gonna have a photo maybe by this weekend we've got the votes is going to be on the court at some point. I thought he does protest too much. Is he bluffing a little bit doing his best to a fight, the good fight for the conservative base, but recognizing let's get this thing done one way or another because if we need another nominee we want that sooner because in January, if we lose the Senate and that's a big if but if Democrats take the Senate, it's a different ball game. That's precisely right. He he is bluffing, but he's bluffing knowing that he is called on that bluff. He's got another hand to play, which is a classic McConnell maneuver. What Mitch McConnell is thinking about here is maintaining that Senate majority and getting a confirmed nominee does he care about Brad Kavanagh? A lot of people thinks Pat Kavanagh wasn't even his first or second or fourth choice. He's fine with brecca than I would do the right thing, but he what he really wants to make sure that they have that conservative majority and it's the supreme court, and he really wants is to make sure that his members are max. Political advantage, and the Democrats are on the defensive, which brings us Terry to the spectacle and the extrordinary event that we're expecting on Thursday echoes of nineteen ninety one. The last time we had anything even remotely like this, and it does seem like the Republicans have learned or sought to impose some of the lessons from that in the initial move that they made of of hiring outside counsel of the Mitch McConnell. Somehow, somewhat in artfully though, I think probably accurately is very to her as a female assistant, but she's in accomplished an accomplished investigator and prosecutor out narrow Zona who's gonna come on and handle the questioning. Basically conceding that Republican senators don't trust themselves in the setting. They are openly conceding it that they who Bob corker that look, one of them says something wrong to Dr Blasi Ford, and that's all we'll hear about. So in a somewhat cynical and and self. Denigrating in a way a political ploy. They've hired Rachel Mitchell, but Rachel Mitchell is a serious person. And I'd like this. Somebody had to sit through the Nida hill Clarence Thomas hearings. And here the wretched attempts by senators to get at with the fact they're senators are terrible questioners on both sides, what they do, they give speeches and then they throw a softball or Gotcha bays written by their staff. They don't follow up. They don't understand how to plot a line of questioning trial. Lawyers are trained to think differently and to question differently and what they wanna do is elicit facts that they can you respectfully sensitively, especially somebody with with Rachel Mitchell's decades of experience in this area to elicit facts that they can use in an argument for their case show sees. She's an advocate, but one, the last thing I'd say is people find it very cynical, political point. It is. But Rachel Mitchell comes to this hearing room with a reputation and career at stake as well. If she is seeing to rough up, Dr Christine Blasi. Lord, what victim would ever talk to her again. So I expect her to be very professional and she's going to question Cavanaugh too, and she knows how to do it. So she may be a little bit wildcard for Republicans in this hearing. So you've you this as having the potential to be a serious inquiry as opposed to just the political spectacle that that that that you might expect from very partisan panel? Yeah. If I, if Rachel Mitchell gets to do her job, which spent decades doing one awards to, yes. The problem is that a serious inquiry would also include other witnesses and probably back one of them. She's at a disadvantage and she's a prosecutor and everytime she's questioned witnesses. She will have all already talked to the detectives, who did the investigation that would be the FBI in this case and they didn't do an investigation. So she's flying blind a little bit when she questions. Kristen Blasi Ford or Brett cavern and the politics of course will be everywhere you have as we mentioned these wing seat on the supreme. Court, you have the potential for this to throw control of congress into disarray, and just a few short weeks before the midterms, we've the credibility of the president. You have several twenty twenty contenders were part of this committee both on the democrat and Republican side who will have an opportunity to shine. One thing that strikes be Terry and you're in the room for much of this in nineteen Ninety-one. In the memories of that hearing, nobody looks good. None of those senators. None of the senators. In fact, a lot of the harshest questioning that's come among Democrats. Recently, it's been what Joe Biden's role was all of that back in nineteen ninety. One is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee putting a need hill through that his very explicit rounds of questioning. Is it your sense that this has the potential to be that kind of defining moment for this generation of members of the Senate Judiciary committee? That's a great point. I think it does because senators aren't good at this. They're trying to do this. They make speeches, they make laws that try to shape the national debate. They, they fight it. Out with each other over how to get that debate in their direction, but an inquiry which is which is rigorous and which can at least surface something that we can call facts. They aren't very good at that. And I think they're tendency to speech by their tendency to score political points with a couple of exceptions, comma Harris. Good question. Although she kinda stuck out with cavenaugh about, did you did you ever talk about the Muller probe to member of President? Trump's former lawyers, former lawyers, law firm, and she never delivered on whether or not that ever happened, but she clearly can ask a question properly, so can Sheldon Whitehouse. But for the most part, all of them are up there with different goals than a trial lawyer has or an investigator has. What happened here there after how can I get what happened here to advantage me and my my side very different thing and your sense that anything around the senate's ability to get it. Those. Those questions has changed in the intervening twenty seven years? No, no. In fact, I look when I c- chairman Grassley here. Okay. So chairman Biden gotten a lot of troubled for the way he handled Anita hill. He was in a difficult position and he was as clueless, frankly, as as the rest of the country about the issue of sexual harassment and has been toning for it in some ways, ever since Grassley was on that committee. Right? It was. He's been in the Senate that long. He's eighty five years old. And yet I do feel I don't know if you that. That sense of Grassley. Yes, he's a partisan. Yes. He's trying to get Kavanagh confirmed, but also feel for somebody's been around the Senate that long he knows the Senate is going to be around longer than him or bread Kavanagh or any of this controversy. And he's a little bit of an 'institutionalised. In other words, I don't think he's done the president bidding here, and I think it's quite possible. We'll get a delay in the hearings because I think while he's not an advocate for a neutral inquiry by any means, I think he's got the credibility of the. Mitty and his role as chairman and the Senate more broadly in his mind as well. Not want to overstate that. But I think I think he's doing a little bit good for the country here as as the approaches this now he's declining FBI investigation. So he can take loves off plenty. But there's some Ray of hope in the way Grassley it's been handling. And yeah, there's so much mistrust surrounding this process and be you, can you have to rewind the tape back to Robert Bork if not before then to get to the roots of this and you, you draw that line through Clarence Thomas and then all the way through Merrick, garland, and the failure to even get a hearing on President Obama's final appointment to the supreme court in garland and bring to this moment where it is a purely partisan exercise. And I do think it's extraordinarily and worth pointing out Terry that for all that the nation seems engaged in this. In this question there easily ninety and perhaps ninety five United States senators that right now before hearing a word from Christine, Blasi Ford know how they're going to vote on this nomination. If and when it comes to the floor, this is a universe of about five men and women. Couple of Democrats couple of them Republicans. They are the vanishing if not totally vanished middle of the Senate, and they control whether Brett Cavanaugh guest this lifetime appointment on the supreme court, and they control how history judges this extrordinary moment. That's a great point. Rick. I'm actually old enough to have covered the Bork nomination as well. And that one there were probably twenty or thirty senators. We were all waiting on a lot of the southern Democrats that used to be southern Democrats back in the day and and western Democrats, Dennis deacon senior, which way were they going to go and and you didn't know. But you're right. This is such a narrow, narrow middle in the country as well. Although actually our colleague maryalice parks raised a poll that that shows about a third of the country hasn't made up its mind. My concern is that when they see the testimony, their mind will be made up from their partisan political perspective. The most depressing data that I've seen recently on that is. Allegation of of sexual misconduct against Keith Ellison, the vice chair the DNC and running for attorney general in Minnesota is accused by former partner of domestic abuse sort of recently, and and another woman has come forward as well and Minnesota and National Public Radio ran a poll that showed only five percent of Minnesota Democrats believe the woman, Karen Monaghan is her name and that can't be anything, but don't do it to my guy. Bill Clinton is the most famous example of that. Sure. And and to me in brings us, I think to to, we'll make final final discussion point for today of President Trump, but to me, it is an ultimate manifestation of the red versus blue Mitee versus your team and the way that politics is become that that you could look at the same facts and come to that snap judgment and say, yes, I believe or no, I, I don't believe her. I'm sure some of that is wrapped up in in the socio economics of what of what each party. Is made up of, and they're certainly Democrats that look in act and have different backgrounds and Republicans, but a lot of it is based on that snap judgment you make because he or she is on my team versus the other team. And that does bring us the President Trump because he has lived that he thrived on that sense. He rode to power on that sense of us versus them. He continues to campaign in that way and he is conducted. His campaign is a campaign four breath cavenaugh to sit on the supreme court based on that notion that he has denied tonight. And I of setting this up as the Democrats are out to get the Republicans and we can't fold and he is imposed whether whether or not it was going to happen in this case, that is those are the stakes going into Thursday, and he is re this polarized, his geniuses for polarization. In some ways, he goes for the jugular and get people get people riled up. And in that world that you've just described, Brad Kavanagh has a bit of an outline. Yes, he's on the red team if you will, but he is a, he is well, I guess he's from the elite establishment east coast. You can't get more establishment than bread Cavagnaud and my grandfather actually worked for the Chicago democratic political machine. He was the park district. I'm not sure ever went to any parks, but he did that for years. And they had a saying that when somebody walked into a meeting that they didn't know, they said, who sent you because we don't want nobody nobody sent and there's a, you know, obviously bread Kavanagh's worked in the in the fields of Republican law, conservative law for a long time, but he's not a Trumpy conservative. Right. And I had heard that President Trump had told his, this is the guy you wanted me to pick when this controversy began. Go ahead, get them through, but if you can't, I'm going to pick the one I wanted, which is Amy, Coney Barrett, a woman who was attacked basically by Senator Dianne Feinstein for. For as Feinstein said, you know, I feel that the dogma Catholic dogmas strong and you and that lit up the Christian right for her people fight for people that are on their team. And I think Kavanagh who's lived a, you know, obviously conservative Republican life, but doesn't have that vibe that Trump likes so much and we'll see if it hurts them or not. And it's such such an interesting twist all of this because it is very plausible to my mind to see judge Cavanaugh nominated by president Jeb Bush or president Marco Rubio. It's a very conventional lot of ways choice, and whether this actually results in his withdrawal and the more Trumpy choice as a result would be would be quite an ironic outcome for the Democrats who put so much in the line and finding this nation as it Kavanagh's a judge, they all are and they're all well-qualified, apparently. But one has the says that Amy Conybeare Barrett or somebody. More in in that end of the business might be readier to just flat, overturn Roe versus Wade. Then someone who's more of 'institutionalised Kevin is very conservative judge and he's been running for the supreme court. It seems to me from the court, his appellate court for a long time sending the right signals that he would do the right things. I far conservative jurisprudence is concerned, but I don't think he's a radical and you might get a radical, we might get any sort of outcome out of this next this next couple of news cycles, Terry Moran. Thank you for being here. I know it's been a busy week and you'll be back at it in the hearing room on Thursday for what is going to be an absolutely fascinating day that does it for this edition of powerhouse politics. We will be back. I'm guessing later in the week with a special edition giancarl is on his way up to New York for a presidential news conference this afternoon. So again, our thanks to Terry. Thanks to the whole team. Avery Miller, Angie yack back in the control room, our man, Trevor Hastings. We'll see next time.

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"It's Wednesday, September twenty six GOP senators have some tough questions, but they won't be the ones asking them. We start here. As the world waits to see what kind of munition Christine Blasi Ford has Republicans bringing a hired gun a woman to lead the charge to lead the questioning, but not everyone is toeing the party line Bill. Cosby is waking up in a jumpsuit. His head was straightforward, no reaction from Cosby. The moment. He was sentenced from a reporter in the courtroom. And when the Chinese military tells you turn your plane around or else what you do. We are getting warnings on the radio. In fact, six different times. We go on a ride along with the US navy over the South China Sea. From ABC news. I'm Brad milkey. Let's get you up to speed for the day ahead. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast that's indeed dot com. Slash podcast. How often do Ben Siegel ABC. If you're a member of the Senate Judiciary committee right now, you better be ready tomorrow. We will see some of the most anticipated testimony in a generation, Christine. Blasi four will describe what she says was a sexual assault that a high school party more than thirty years ago by supreme court nominee. Brett Cavanaugh Cavanaugh has denied it the both get their chance to tell their story. But yesterday Republicans told us they won't be asking Ford. The questions here the outside counsel. Why is this necessary for his mid sense trolley that was Lindsey. Graham fielding questions from ABC's. Ben Siegel in the hallways, along with his fellow producer Mariam con. Yet at the. Todd. Can you can't identify the month or the city? There's nothing would be acting in beer buddy mirror, and there's been a lot of movement around the stories involving Cavanaugh in the last twenty four hours. You've got pristine Blasi Ford, then you've got dead Ramirez, the woman who says, despite a spotty memory from a drunken Gail party, she remembers Cavanaugh exposing himself right in front of her face something. Cavanaugh also, flatly denies now. No, I witnesses have supported her claims. And yesterday, President Trump went after. I looked at the second. The second accuser has nothing gonna give doesn't even know things. Maybe maybe she admits that you was drugged. She admits time lapse were five lapses, but now a couple of Kavanagh's classmates say they believe Ramirez, including Kavanagh's, former roommate, and while many Republicans have highlighted the hazy memory and the six days spent reconstructing events. Suddenly a Republican swing vote said, hold up. Well, it's very important to take allegations of of those who have come forward to take them seriously. That was Lisa Murkowski from Alaska speaking to her was ABC. Senior congressional correspondent Mary, Bruce right now, Mary is sitting in her purse high above the Senate floor. Hey, Mary, hey, Brad. So now you've got some new details on what this hearing is actually gonna look like, Brad, this won't look like most hearings up here. In fact, they're still negotiating a lot of the details about this including how much access as reporters will have of here. But one thing that we have learned is that the Republicans on this panel and remember all of them are men have now hired an outside counsel, a woman to lead the charge to lead the questioning. This is someone who has a lot of experience in these kinds of cases dealing with discrimination and sexual harassment and assault, and it is not completely unprecedented for a committee to bring in an outside questioner like this, but it's just something you don't see very often you the Watergate hearings had this, the Iran contra hearings. Some big store. Go hearings on the hill. We those hearings you would wanna be facing. These are. These are the instances in which outside counsels have been brought in in the past and look. We, I've been up here chasing down lawmakers. Senator is it time for the FBI to investigate. These allegations are whole team has been out blitzing the hill trying to get through some reaction to this, and we've talked to Republicans both those on the committee and not who say, look, they think this is a good idea. I think it's really smart of them to get outside. Now, one Republican, Bob corker said that he thinks it's a good idea because he thinks. Something insensitive essentially saying that Republicans you an outside counsel to save themselves from themselves. Is that the thing that Mary is this prosecutor being brought in for optics or because she will be more capable of getting clear answers? It's probably a little bit of both. Brad. I mean, look, I've talked to some Republicans on the committee who admit that the optics don't look great of having an all male panel questioning, Christine, Blasi Ford by. But also they feel that you know, if you talk to Republicans, they think it's better to have someone who has them deep knowledge of this subject areas. I mean experience in this to lead the charge. Well, let's go back to Lisa Murkowski. The GOP says, it's going to vote Friday like right away. But when Murkowski says, hey, let's take these new accusations seriously. Like how United is the caucus. And it's really interesting, isn't it? Because you have Republican leaders that are rallying around judge Cavanaugh, right, right. Being led essentially by by the president who is also doubling down on his support for for cavenaugh. But yet you have these key Republicans, these swing votes that are sending a really clear message to their own party. You know, at least. Markowski saying, look, you gotta take these allegations, seriously, we'll listen to Dr Ford story. We will listen to judge Kavanagh's response, and that's what's tricky about this is that there's so much gray area here and how will the members of this committee determine how whether they find the testimony to be credible or not. But you already already Republican sending out paper statements saying, I'm going to support judge Cavanaugh even before they've heard one word of testimony from Christine, Blasi Ford, and you have the Republican leader, Mitch McConnell saying, we're moving forward. I'm confident we're going to win that. He's confident that they're going to get judge Kavanagh confirmed to the supreme court. And we're talking about these two accusers lawyer. Michael Evans has he has got a client with additional allegations of misconduct by Cavanaugh and his friend Mark judge in their high school years. They have denied they did anything wrong avenue. ATI has offered zero evidence so far and no, I d for that accuser, but he does say more will be revealed sometime today. Mary, we will see what happens. Thank you. Thanks, Brad. He's been thirteen years since Andrea Constand went with authorities, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, Saint she'd been sexually assaulted by the actor Bill Cosby one month later, she saw her case dropped by local prosecutors. Come on now with some breaking news worthy. The wolves best. No entertainers appears to be heading to a prison cell. Very shortly. A judge in Pennsylvania has just sentenced Bill Cosby to no less than three and no more than ten years behind bars. But this morning Bill Cosby is in jail, and he will likely be behind bars for years ABC's. Mark Remillard was at the courthouse for this entire Cosby trial, and he was in the courtroom yesterday as Cosby was sentenced in Mark? What was that moment? Like? It was so much different than when the verdict came down in April this year when that verdict came down, there were gasps in the courtroom. Some people had to leave because they were holding back tears. This courtroom. Mhm. Was quiet when that sentence came down, that he would spend no less than three years in prison. Cosby's back was to the gallery where the press and the public, where's? And he did not move at all. His head was straightforward, no reaction from Cosby, but you could certainly tell the relief that this sentence was afterwards. As we heard from many of his accusers is other accusers who said that they were so pleased to know that Cosby was going to go to jail and not just to jail, actually, but to state prison for a minimum of three years, a significant time for an eighty one year old man. Yeah, his team is planning to appeal, but what does happen next for Cosby Mark because he was immediately taken away in cuffs. Yeah, he walked out of the courtroom in handcuffs. He was led along by a sheriff's deputy. We went to a holding cell was quickly transferred over to the Montgomery County correctional facility booked, their and a new mug shot was taken. And then from there, we don't have indication as to how long he will be housed there. But eventually he will make his way to the Pennsylvania state prison system. He'll be processed, he'll be given a Brown jumpsuit an inmate number. They'll essentially assess his level of security that's needed. And from there he will begin serving his at minimum three years in prison, and then he will be assessed on whether he stays or whether he serves more time Mark. I remember I was there covering the first trial with with a hung jury, and I would talk to people around the courthouse who would tell me this woman is looking to get famous or rich. Now you've got a jury of twelve people who have said, unanimously this did happen a judge said, yes, this man is a sexual predator. What is this been like for Andrea Constand. Well, this has been a long time coming for Andrea Constand. If you think about it from her perspective for fourteen years, she's been saying that she was sexually assaulted and for many years she was under a nondisclosure agreement and couldn't speak about it. When it finally came to charges and was brought to trial, she had to endure two trials testifying both times, reliving that experience, all while she says the Cosby defense team through every name in the book at her calling her a racist gold digger. So you can imagine the stress or the emotional toll that it has taken on her over these years. And she says in her victim impact statement that Bill Cosby took my beautiful healthy young spirit and crushed it. But she does leave with a. Mention here of saying that instead of looking back now that this chapter is closed, all she wants to do is look forward. Finally, some resolution in Norristown, Pennsylvania. Thank you. Thanks, Brad. Next up diplomats are not known for their sense of humor. So what did President Trump say that was so funny. Start here is brought to you by indeed dot com. And when it comes to hiring, you don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. Get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast, that's indeed dot com. Slash podcast. Last year in first appearance at the United Nations, President Trump let her rip rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime, he blasted Ron North Korea and really the whole body itself. It is entirely up to us whether we lift the world to new heights or let it fall into a valley of disrepair. This year, though we were told things we're going to be different and they were a little bit more diplomacy from the commander in chief, but it was also a different reaction from the audience gone was the nervous deference instead the president heard laughter. I want to bring in ABC's and work a touristy who is based in New York who's been covering the UN for years and Aaron, can we start with that laughter? Like what was the feeling of the people? There was this a nervous laugh from diplomats that don't agree with him or was this like people laughing in the president's face? This was a group of people bread that laughed at something they clearly didn't buy. It came as the president was talking about his administration accomplishing more than almost any administration in the history of our country. America's so true, and the laughter was almost immediate and grew when the president said off the cuff didn't expect that reaction, but that's okay. This was really weird bread. This is not a group that is prone to reacting one way or another. Yes. The diplomats have recoiled in horror when a despot gets up to speak. But normally these are rather stayed speeches. There's polite applause at the beginning and the end to greet and then to send off the speaker, but nothing like outright laughter. These diplomats are are not one that want to show reaction. And generally the speeches are not designed to elicit one from the audience put is next for President Trump. Then he, he's in the UN for another day today. He's leading Security Council meeting. There was talk about him possibly meeting with the leader of Iran. Is there any chance that happens? This was a matter of great debate because the president lashed out at Iran Iran's leaders so chaos, death and destruction calling out their leaders and calling on the world to denounce an isolate Iran's regime. And he had said in more off the cuff settings that Iran had kept asking for meetings. But he said, now is not the time he was not going to meet with Iran's president Ronnie, even though he called him in a tweet, a a lovely man. And then Ronnie said to an interviewer that actually the United States has asked eight times for a meeting, and it was Iran that rejected the overture. We're not sure that the two are going to have any chance encounter in the hallway, but the president is sharing a UN Security Council meeting officially about non-proliferation, but with a focus on Iran where the president is expected to, again, denounce the Iranian regime and call on other countries to do the same. Yeah, he will chair that meeting today Erin following the president in New York. Thank you. Thank you, Brad. Even outside the UN in recent days, we've seen some major tension building between the US and China. In addition to tariffs the US put some sanctions on China because of a big arms deal with Russia will yesterday China responded by telling US naval ship. You can't dock in Hong Kong turnaround get out. Now while on that same day yesterday, the FBI arrested, a US army reservist seven year old man from the Chicago area for legendary helping China figure out whether certain Americans might be ripe for recruitment as spies. And this is just the latest jousting between the two countries for the last several years in the South China Sea, hundreds of miles off the Chinese coast in what used to be open ocean, man-made islands have appeared. They are Chinese military posts, and we're going to give you a sense of what is happening there. ABC's Bob Woodruff is usually based in Beijing, and he got a remarkable opportunity lately to fly with the US navy as it went on a surveillance. Mission. He is back in the states now and Bob, you actually went up in the plane with these servicemembers. Yeah, it was. It was it was a unique chance to get up here over the top of the South China Sea. It's one of dreaming about for a long time. I wanted to see these these reefs below that the China's now turning into islands, and we went up in the plan. You look down at the c. we're about twenty thousand feet in the air. Reside. We saw on these were reefs and that there are now islands really because China's building them. Them buildings in the area is she all this new construction, you see roads radar buildings, plane hangars, long airstrips their boats and their ships all over the place. And and even some China coast guard ships that had that label right on the outside of it. So they're not trying to hide anything. And there's also when you look down, it's from a distance, be see people walking around their workers under construction down there. You know that China really wants to expand their land all throughout the South China Sea. So they can claim that and have control over it as as the world starts to develop an Asia grows especially with trade. Yes. So is that Chinese turf then, or is that considered international waters? What is it now? Well, because it's a reef reefs have never counted as as as a land of a country. If it's China's land, you can't really get within twelve miles of it. But if it's controversial than how. How close can we get addicted Chinese? No up here. I would say that they have a good idea. So we're flying over the top of Xilin. We're really staying about twenty miles away. We don't want even go up to twelve miles or maybe it's just because the navy was cautious, but they are claiming that law does not apply to these places. We're flying of the time. We should be able to go right over if we felt like we won't. We don't want. We don't want to cause any trouble well that that's that seems to be what it is. But China does like the warn us. Chinese to there morning the US to get outta here. So the Chinese get on the on this radio, and they say, you are in a US military aircraft. China has sovereignty over noncha- islands, including soobee wreath, and it's Jason waters leave immediately. And so then the the pilots immediately responded to this saying, I'm a sovereign United States, naval aircraft conducting law firm, military activities here in the international airspace of any coastal state. And with the right. Is like a little script that they read. It's a script. They said it six different times, really the same exact way China, which is identify where they are and tell them to get your butts outta here. So what happened. So the US would say, and we continue on on the surveillance that we're doing. Should he be afraid. The US is gonna fly, international airspace and in the region regardless of what the Chinese do there. Okay. So you guys are up there you see what's going on. We've known that these islands existed. Now we're seeing more and more what is on an all this military buildup, but what does the US actually going to do about it? Like what are the options? Well, as of now, it's not clear what I don't think anybody wants to conduct any kind of battles any kind of war. But I think the US wants to continue to tell China that this is not yours if you think you can just keep taking this without any confrontation than you are wrong. In the South China Sea is giant. It's about, say about ten percent of the world's fish catch is coming from the South China Sea every year, but eleven billion barrels of oil hundred ninety trillion cubic feet of natural gas. So the United States is the one that all of our allies in that area have depended upon to make sure the China doesn't take over the world and you were right there over the ocean, seeing this play out both in the. And perhaps in the future, Bob would could to have you back in the states. Thanks, Brad. I started getting a lot of buzz. The rush things. You might have seen this a couple of weeks back a hotdog cart in Times Square New York City. Just two regular cart with the buns and the umbrella, except this umbrella was covered with thirty thousand beings. Then a guy shows up calmly gets on a ladder and starts to suck them up into a vacuum. This became a viral moment, right? It got even more viral. When we learned it was a New York City cop. So I'm police officer, Michael oriental, and I'm assigned to the first precinct of New York City police department. And recently I tracked him down and I'm proud to say that I'm one of their resident beekeepers how many beekeepers there's two there used to be zero. You didn't need them to have bees in New York City was forbidden for many years and several years ago they allowed it overnight. You had urban beekeepers in backyards on rooftops and officer low Riano was one of them. I would always talk to my colleagues that I've raised honeybees and that's something where you say, wait a minute, would you just say. Raise honeybees and then from there word spreads. So all of a sudden Laureano auto became the b guy anywhere in New York from parks to office buildings to, yes, hotdog cards. If a colony out grows, its hive and swarms he's the guy you call, he's got his vacuum. Do you have to protect yourself or do you just start walking up to them? So when I first got there, I had the jacket on. I didn't have the on and he says he kind of introduces himself to the bees before unceremoniously sucking them into a vacuum system. He created this is like hardcore contraption. We wanna make sure that we don't hurt them. So gentle and he'll gently deposit the bees in this big bucket and then do just pops them in his car. So you get them all in here. You transport them, where do they go? So knowing that this is my position, I already have hides that are on standby at my house. That's right. They're coming home with him and it's basically a phone call going home saying, hey, I'm coming home. Let's get that high ready and I get to my house. Now if an owner calls and ask for their bees back, of course, they'll get them back. But when a swarm wreaks havoc, no one ever seems to call and say, oh yeah, those were my Bs. So those Times Square Beezer living at your place on Long Island right now? Yes, they're currently residing with my current bees in this weekend was a big one at the lower Yano. Hi, this is a recording. He sent us from home as he donated fifty pounds of Honey to get these new tenants ready for the cold winter. And if he wasn't generous enough. So this is the view of a of a beekeeper. He let me try on his hood at the precinct is what it looks like in rockstar access. Because as you can see, you still got to work with that screen around you but your face now. So if a bee lands here, it's not touching you. There's no way the be. Could sting your face with that veil on if properly put on as you check this for holes ever man, I do when they get worn out. It's time for a new one. This one's doing pretty good. I am not doing a ride along to find out. And you can check out that home video from officer lower Yano on our Instagram page. Plus pictures of me in his bee-keeping gear at start here. ABC big day coming up on Capitol Hill tomorrow. 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RD 171 - The Weinstein Case Unravels

Reasonable Doubt

1:02:19 hr | 2 years ago

RD 171 - The Weinstein Case Unravels

"Hey, it's Adam Corolla this county night from lady gang urged evolves. From the Steve Joe, this is Heather Dubrow from Heather rose world, this rob Riggle and Ferte on from wriggles picks. This is Kaitlyn bristowe from off the vine on podcast one. This Veterans Day. I'd like to give a special thanks to all those who've served in the armed forces for the baby the Brig air force coast guard and the reserves because of your bravery we can live without fear because of your valour we can soar into the bright future because of your sacrifice. We don't have to sacrifice the liberty that we hold so dear we could not do it without you. Thank you again for your service and all of us have podcast one. Hope you enjoy a safe holiday weekend. This is Corolla digital. This is a reasonable doubt with your hosts, Mark Garriga's and Adam Cole. Yeah. Get it on got to get it on a treadmill mandate get on and welcome to reasonable doubt amount of crawl as Mark guests over there, by the way. Best our best hour in the universe. You know, when the best hour of the universe is best is when I'm here in the studio. I get to see you. I get to watch you finish ACS. I get the hug Gina. Always always good. Always good the Allthough. Her Tupperware was empty today. Do you notice that? Yeah. I can say you for. Part of ood. Yeah. She's got fun Tupperware. I am. Yes. And and then you'll we were just talking about if I'm going to be here this week. And I was saying one of the highlights of as I father that you can get I was telling you that by the time this drops. I will have just finished the second time that I will present to a bar association with my daughter, and it doesn't get much better than that than Tenny. And I will be in or were in New Orleans as of yesterday when you hear this presenting to the federal bar association. I love I love it. I love a proud dad. This show by the way, brought to you by legalzoom dot com. Promo code doubt. Theraworx relief dot com, truecar dot com. And you can also download Pluto TV on all your favorite devices. I what's going on in the news. What's going on legally out there? Well, as we are taping. This we call tape is a tape. I guess so digitally recording. Yeah. I think that's what you that's more accurate. Like, I've learned what a terabyte is in discovery when they told me I need external hard drive for his covering now. I have to act like I know what that is. Oh terabyte. Okay. Then I saw some ad on TV was the phone. It's a terabyte which you'll never need. So you need it. So what's going on legally today? Interestingly in this is Monday when we're talking about this. They filed by friend, Ben Bronfman. Speaking of Tenny were tiny works filed a motion to dismiss all of the Weinstein case, all all. And it was filed publicly, and I have not talked to Ben about it. But I did skim through it. And it's fascinating absolutely fascinating New York as differentiated from California in California. If I'm going to indict somebody, and I'm a prosecutor, we have a doctrine in California. It's based on a case called people versus Johnson, which is predicated by the way on the constitution that you have a right. And that the grand jury should know about any exculpatory evidence evidence that appears to show that you're not guilty. That's what we call Brady material New York, apparently does not have that same mandate or legal principle that is that. It's codified in their case law, the Johnson principal in fact, Ben, and I have talked about it in the past when we represented Michael Jackson. We delivered to the grand jury back in the early two thousands binders to give to the grand jury that showed all of the sculptor Tori evidence about Michael Jackson. They don't have that same concept in New York. And so he files a motion to dismiss and it's fascinating because the woman on the charges. I think were counts four five and six if I remember when I was reading had alleged that Weinstein had raped her and that he is should forcibly or early copulated her. And as it turns out there were four years worth of emails between this woman and Harvey if that were never presented to the grand jury and the four years of emails are astonishing. I mean, you have to read and this'll be online. So you can look at it. Online. And if you want it's one hundred pages, but these emails are a relationship like, you would not believe I mean over a period of years, you know, the DA's responses to that to that mind, you this is a woman who promptly told her friend that Harvey had said, as you know, the fact you had done the best routines. One of your best comedic routines. I've ever seen show me your, dick. I I've never been able to. I've I've it's more of an indictment of all actors and they skill of acting. When someone goes would you like to engage in this behavior, in fact, engage in this endeavor, and you go? Yeah. All right. Well, this blow that fat guy can go ahead. And I it's it's I the joke was basically shuffle your deck. It doesn't. Well. It's like saying would you like to fly commercial aircraft? Yes. I would. Okay. Just blow that guy. Go ahead and do it. Would you like to drive a forklift would you like to be a board certified physician diction medicine specialists? Yeah. Suck off that guy. It saying that the you can't have as much respect for the craft is you formerly, Dan. If all you have to do is blow a guy, and then you can do it you pick the job firemen attorney dentist pediatrician orthodontists. Like keep going. Caper? I'd like to keep that guy. Go ahead. And do it. When do I start? It's an indictment of how shitty acting is. And how easy it is. Somebody tweeted at us that they thought you broke. And it does every time. I think about it. I just start crying from laughter. I just so apparently the nub of this arrangement was that. She says that Harvey said this or that and that she was forced to blow and the friend says that no what she said at the time was if you Harvey was very upfront. You wanna part in the movie VO me, and she blew him and went outside and told her friend that then when the friend gets interviewed by the cop the cop apparently says. Something to the effect of less is more. And there's a New Yorker interview by Ronan Farrow, and God only knows what's going to happen when they subpoena those notes and. Because as you're looking at all of this all of this is contained in the motion. And so the motion is basically, look if you've got you haven't presented a full picture of the grand jury. And now, you're indicting the guy and now you're claiming there's a cast of thousands who were get it cast of thousands germs. Okay. That was your show me. Your Dicker blow me is a better mind. Mine I have to just do kind of subtle dry with Monty python puns, which aren't that? Funny. It's, but if they're if you're going to do that how patiently unfair is it to indict somebody when when you haven't presented the full picture to the grand jury. So the full picture is somebody's saying this was a rape or this was a sexual assault. And if somebody said to any churry, hey, this woman was sexually assaulted by this man, and you had years of emails correspondence back and forth. I don't know what they say. But I imagine what are you doing tonight? Or can you come by luck to or did you see this just kibitzing that that completely changes the complexion of sexual assault, which doesn't mean that it didn't happen? But it does change in the eyes of the jury the. Relationship. Exactly and mind, you the DA's response apparently because this was mentioned, and I don't remember reading this. But it was mentioned in the body of the motion filed that the DA's response was well nowhere in those emails. It's not sculpture Tori because nowhere in the males. Did he deny the rape to which Brockman wrote? Wait a second. You mean he's supposed to deny a rape the never happened and -ticipant that five years later somebody's going to accuse him of something that didn't happen rhyme. What are you talking about? There was nothing in there. That said apparently the that I could see it skimming through it. That said, oh, why did you do that to me? And he was somehow silent in the face of the accusation was quite the opposite. So what we're talking about before with Weinstein was all right? This is one case. And now it sort of seems like it is the pendulum swung the other direction. And he. He might not be prosecuted for one case. But then I was asking you about how that affected cases in Los Angeles and beyond and you're telling me, it has implications because of the cop and the cop that was thirty cop or the cop is there and the cop is running around the world, which literally apparently according to this motion he was going overseas. If he's coming down, if he's interviewing all of the people, and I can understand why he would I'm from the standpoint of the prosecution, you wanna be able to show like Cosby, did you want to bring in somebody else to say, there's these other acts the other acts, even though I've always insisted that other acts evidences, nothing, but character assassination, the the law has developed such that you can bring this in if it's a signature of the motives operan die or if it goes to identity or something like that. So would you send the cop out to investigate surely would? But if it turns out your. Op is tainted then that would seem to taint all the other investigations. Then you've got other stuff where you may have one lawyer. I think in particular, there's one lawyer in New York who represents I don't know six seven eight nine of the purported accusers. If that one lawyer is out there, and I vividly remember when the prosecution dismissed the counts that are still not pending in New York. She was out there giving a press conference saying something the effect of well how why are they dismissing? There's there's a lot of people who've made the accusation as if you know, we'll lose we'll lose money on each transaction. What we'll make it up in volume that I think is something. And I think I've mentioned this before that's something that could get in front of the jury. I remember remember the case, I told you that we tried about one years get in front of the jury get in front of the jury that you've got one lawyer who is Ginny up eight or nine different. Cases against him. Right. Literally could get in front of the jury and somebody will say, well, how would that be? I remember in the case on Hollywood Boulevard where there was the transgender who had stabbed my client. Then my client had run down the street, and they claimed it was an assault because it was a hate crime now. And as it turns out that on Santa Monica Santa Monica, I think in front of this in front of the Shakey's. Yeah. I think that's a little more trans I'm in deep with the community. I was gonna say you have a very good connection to the self identifying gender, and that Shakey's down there is you can go get your Mo-jo on and with the train. On the one on Santa Monica. And that was for those of you don't understand Adam just did he went deep on that? Because Mojo potatoes on the buffet at Shakey's did. It did not a lot of people. I wanna make sure I'm highlighting when you have a quick wit. I appreciate it. So that was one where the prosecution actually did what's called emotion and eliminate a four zero two to prevent me from telling the jury in that case that Gloria Allred was the lawyer for the accuser for the transgender accuser. And I said judge that's great. You can rule. However you want but glorious still going to sachet in here in her suit, and I'm gonna turn around and look at her just like all the jurors are, and they're going to know instantly that the lawyers in there and sure enough. That's exactly what happened judge ordered me. Not to say anything about Gloria Allred because that would poison the jury do you love that here in LA that mentioning glorious? They would poison the jury that was the prosecution's motion to keep me to shut me up as they say the gag order. Well, I'm I want you to hit legalzoom. But I know why don't I know if we? Guay on a lot has got so much to get into. Okay. 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First things first is part of this deal. When you're representing a guy like Weinstein, do you start by saying, you just go into hotel, and you order room service, and you don't set foot outside like, I don't want to hear your name Messini pictures. I don't want any anything. I certainly don't wanna kerfuffle with Yona TMZ cameraman, but I just don't even want. I don't even want to hear your name for five months. I think a lot of times the clients themselves get into this head space where they just they they don't want to deal with the story. I mean, I remember when he was in Arizona. And I I mean, if you're better if you're Blair or somebody, you're probably, you know, every day there's a different story because there's a different property. I think clients get into that space where they don't wanna talk. They don't want to be the story. They'd rather have more control over because I think whether it's him whether it's other clients that I've represented there is. A certain aspect of it just wears you down. And when you're in a criminal case, it's different than say. I don't know what Pete Davidson, for instance, right now, he appears you know, there's a lot of chatter about him. And he appears and I don't think it's, you know, it's not all negative, although there's always negative negatively on the internet. But when you're accused criminally there is an aspect where you just want to show where I'd like to just put the client attorney advise. Yeah. That client if the client will ask usually and the attorney will generally say, no, I don't want you talking. I don't want you to famously. I remember there Harland Braun was the original lawyer on Robert Blake Robert Blake gave an interview to Barbara Walters. I think in the county jail Harlan fired him then mezro represented him at the pre limb. And then I think. Blake fired mezro and then. Schwarzenbach represented him at trial. And by the way, interestingly talks about you know, you never know the experts don't always though, I think that when they played the interview of Robert Blake that had been taped. And he had lost his lawyer over lost Harland over I think that helped to acquit him because he didn't have to take the stand. He was able to tell his story to Barbara. But famously I'll give you the opposite of that Diane Sawyer interviewing Scott Peterson. That was cringe-worthy when you watched it, and they played that at the trial that general, but the general rule of thumb for you as an attorney to the client, zip zip. It absolute question, that's very Mark arrogance and very. I mar Mark you'll be one of the you're one of these guys. There's a commercial back in the seventies. When they'd say, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie roll Tootsie pop and nobody knew and they said, let's ask mister owl. He's wise, and he knows everything. And that's the way I feel about Mark. I have these ideas, and I go I need to ask more doll to spike. You take a moan? Second. I thought you were going to be Timex. It takes looking, but now on taking I have had things appraised like real estate specifically real estate and every time I get it appraised. It's usually because some loan and the Bank and the, blah, blah, blah, and it always comes in thirty percent low. Right. And it drives me nuts every time. And then I realized what's going on. I have this property for the sake of argument. It's worth a million dollars. And I've had like commercial real estate guys. Tell me it's worth a million dollars. And then they go all right in order to get the Bank where they're going to get their prices are gonna come in. And they're going to appraise on looking up, and then they come back, and they go it's worth six twenty five, and I go it's worth a million dollars. And then I realized they're in cahoots. Get the goddamn appraisers first off. How did this? This guy give a number give you the number. Whether it's a rain or sports car or warehouse appraise it for the number and then banks you decide what percentage to lend based on that number. But do not deflate the number. I had I did it. My like Hollywood house wants the guy came in. This is years ago. That house is probably worth one five and the guy came in at like nine hundred. And I said he's way off the Mark. And the answer was. Yeah. It doesn't work this area. Yeah. I just I find someone who works just air held on. I'm to give you the back. I'm gonna give you the backstory style that's developed because there is a Baxter. I knew you. It is the backtra work because I was thinking right now, I have a little bit of a leg or foot cramp, how painful they can be. They can jolt you out of the sound sleep. You know, I get that casually. Apparently, I read something yesterday that has to do with alcohol consumption. 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Back in the gogo days of, you know, the before the great recession the in having lived down the street from what's his name countrywide? Yeah. The big lender who kind of took a big fall back in the glory days. The appraisers would appraise at you know, off the charts, and they would appraise off the charts because the lenders wanted to loan a ton of money because they were taking the money. They were loaning they were taking those mortgages, they were bundling them and selling them as derivative. So they wanted to loan as much as quickly as possible. No, doc loans. No, just whatever it was ninety five percent. Some cases one hundred percent, then you've got the great recession and all the sudden there's all kinds of banking changes in banking regular regulations and the appraisers start to get sued the appraisers get sued for over appraising not have a justification. And when a loss guests, you know, they start tapping the insurance, and blah, blah, blah. There's certain jobs, there's certain jobs like attorney. For networks. Yeah. Where you going to the turn each office, and you go we want to put this on the air, and they go there's jobs where there's absolutely absolutely nothing in it for you to say, yes. And you get to keep your job if you say, no. And there's never it's not most jobs are like if you just say, no or you just go low eventually doesn't work for you. But there's an attorney to network that goes on. I wouldn't do it. I'm not gonna let you do it. And it's no different than a prosecutor prosecutor. Do you do the right thing and dismissed the case, if you've got doubts or do you just say, let a jury decide right, right? So do you do I give you a deal? Now. Why do I want to read about it on the LA times? If you screw up the day after I dismiss your case, just go to trial. So there's those jobs, and it's the easy way out. And so the appraisers. Will get burned or could potentially get burned if they went higher right than the actual value of a property, right? And then the they make the loan the loan goes bad and nothing could ever happen. If they were thirty percent lower. Now if they go thirty percent low it's a built in. I mean, it's almost like, I don't even need malpractice insurance. I'm going to praise the thing, and then I'm going to dock thirty or forty percent off. And I know I'm never going to get sued. Nobody's going to me for being too low because the lie in the face of the actual definition of the goddamn word appraisal because we're bringing experts in to tell me what this is wurley. You've just shaved off several hundred thousand dollars because you're chicken shit and the Bank hires you and the Bank understand the relationship. The Bank gets with these people, which is sort of you rub. My back. Rub yours you wash my back. You go. Well, we'll they say, except I will tell you. And I just literally did this within the last forty five days. I some guy appraised the property that I was refined and it came in low, and I just pushed back I went through marked up all of the praise all wrong wrong wrong. And I wrote a letter on the opposite and said this is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. You used the wrong cops you used this Jeff is wrong. And and and push back and got the guy to revamp. So you have to spend some time as is spent some time because no, no, I know. But why can't we just hire a professional to do at job? And have it be somewhat near accurate sources you've got to spend some time and write a letter and comb through the paperwork or they could do their goddamn job. And we could just go home because once again to paraphrase, my father who used to say when I come back. I'd be frustrated about some cop testify. And I thought he was just lying through his teeth. My deficit look fees and a cop he'd be a truck driver. Okay. So don't fire. You why are you? Why are you like the jurors and giving them cloaking this cop with some kind of mystical power? So it's the same thing with their appraiser. If it isn't an appraiser your note, this guy would be doing he probably be selling you power tools at Lowe's, so much more respect for him. Yeah. Right is. All right. So fact, my head of security at the engine company his previous life was an appraiser. Really? Yeah. And now, he's not. It's not me being paranoid. These guys come in low all the time. They in the last ten years. You can't get an appraisal. That'll be plus this the other thing that's rigged about appraisals. I've always said to the bankers. Why don't you not tell them how much the either I'm buying the property for or selling the property for let him go in blind? I want to see what the guy comes back to how rigged is it? Then I'm like giving it's worse than an open book test. Right. It's you're giving them you're telling them. Okay. This transaction is three point two million dollars. Now, go appraise it. Well, the guy knows he's never going to go over three point dry right in a million years, and you know, under your theory. He's going to come back into two point two because that's a thirty percent discount back to Weinstein. And then also there's some cavenaugh stuff out there to where they're thinking about possibly bringing some charges against some of his accusers. But I don't know if that's some sort of preemptive strike. I don't know what's going on that. So is is this a safe or fair statement? In comparing let's say OJ right to calve. Sorry now. Sorry OJ. I do. I thought if you were going to pull your dick out if you could connect cavenaugh with OJ, I'm now, but I can connect a Weinstein to Cava. Yes. Okay. And no, no, no, no, no OJ OJ to to Weinstein. Okay. In that. Now, the Cosby trial. It was sort of like, I don't know is he guilty as any go their house. It's gonna play out. There was a hung jury or whenever they retried him bub-bubba. When OJ was first accused of everything and it went to trial. Everyone's like well one hundred percent guilty. I know how to turn out a white guys. I understand is how it's gonna work out. Okay. Now, then Weinstein. Oh, come on. There's so many people so many allegations. So many cases could this be that could this be a version of OJ where going into it all the white guys in World War like please come on? And now as it turns out, he's ends up playing golf in Florida. Like can what what? Yeah. Pretty I wouldn't Weinstein, but I in my heart of hearts. The the problem is and I've said this in with my some of my clients. I always ask at least internally. I don't tell the client because they never want to hear it does this client. I always think towards a jury trial, and I worked backwards when a client comes into the office, you'd think about what's your opening statement. And then what's your who? Do you who? I wanted to jury and one of the things you add the first questions you ask is who's the constituency who is going to support my client? Because after all a jury trial is basically you're handing off your client after the trial is over in your closing argument. You hand them off to the jury and the jury either, you know, they take him outside hang them or they decide they want to help the client. So who do you want on your jury? And is there a constituency I used to joke about Scott Peterson that I couldn't find a constituency, although I wanted to move the trial to Orange County because I thought that was the highest proportion of adulterous golfers that I could find in California, and that would be potentially. A constituency the problem with Harvey Weinstein is who is your constituency. I think today Harvey's got a better shot post Cavanaugh than he did pre Cavanaugh because I think now the Republican party has become the party of criminal defense. They actually believe in a presumption of innocence. They argue forcefully for it. Whereas the left has a tendency to presume guilt and not to question you can't question that that's become somewhat. You know, the due process is separate that's an courtroom, and it's really not anywhere else. So there is a Porsche a part of me that believes that he could get his. Not only will this case on Ravel famously was interviewed by CNN saying, I think the case is unraveling because when you see the cop through, you know, basically grenade thrown grenade or fragging the DA. That's all you need. That's red flag. Hello. We've thrown the flag. This case is going down the toilet. And if that's the case could he make a comeback. I could see where he makes a comeback. Absolutely. Well, come come back aside. There's a version of this where he doesn't go to prison. There's a version of this where they never get to a jury. There's Jerry this version of this. Where a judge may say, I'm not letting this go to a jury. This was outrageous. How did you? How did you go to a grand jury and not see this is what irritates me you can think he's the worst person in the world. You're back to the you know, that old MSNBC segment about the worst person in the world. I get it. I've represented people who everyone has universally condemned it as the worst. In the world. But the fact remains if you're going to talk about America being the greatest place in the universe. Then you have to understand that the thing that makes us great is we have due process and due process means you get a fair, shake, even if you're the slime of the world key did not get a fair shake. I mean, you cannot read these emails, I defy anybody. Who says, you know, fuck him? He's the worst person in the universe. Fine. Read those emails and tell me that you don't think for a second that that grand jury should have seen those emails because you see those emails and you say I call bullshit. I mean, that's your immediate reaction. Nobody should be criminally prosecuted. Once those emails have been seen. It's an outrage at that point. And this is not that's why I say pre and post Cavanaugh because Cavanaugh I mean, you know, his calendar was squeeze and everything else. I mean that was almost laughable, and it was when the Matt Damon skit, but this is by the way criminal charges where we could go to. Prison for the rest of his life in somebody thought, you shouldn't show the four years worth of hundreds of pages of emails to the grand jury that you're asking to find a strong suspicion that who crime was committed. You don't think that they should have seen emails where she's thanking him, and and profusely professing love and everything else to him that to be is outrageous. Well, isn't it by definition? If you are a basically, you got a coach on one side, and you got a coach on the other side of the field, and you're both trying to win a game, and you're instructed by law to exchange playbook and the rule in the league is they get your playbook and you get their playbook. But there are things you pages you've torn out and didn't include. And then you say, oh, these pages were just blanked on worry about these pages. They went to help is. By nature. If you're not sharing information, then by almost definition that information is going to hurt your cause. Correct. I mean, it's almost it's if it were a defendant, and you flee from the scene. That's what you get a jury instruction. It's called consciousness of guilt. You ran away with the other guilty don't flee where no man pursueth. So that's one issue. But the other issue is you're describing a situation where there are the same ethical obligations on both sides of the field. There aren't in a criminal case. The defense lawyer has got an ethical obligation to zealously defend his client. He can even a defense lawyer can can put out a theory that the defense lawyer knows is or suspects may not be true. But if it is a reasonable inference from the facts, you can you can put that out there ethically. The prosecutor can. You can try to convict somebody. But if the prosecutor thinks that the person is not guilty. You don't get to ignore that. They've got a higher duty the prosecutor is supposed to seek Justice not supposed to win not supposed to win at any cost. Let alone win at any cost. So there is a you start off with that. But that that kind of ethical imbalance between the prosecution and the defense gets lost. I mean, most I if you were to test a lot of young prosecutors. They would not that they don't clearly understand the difference. They don't understand that. They're not there just to get a conviction right there to also do Justice. Yeah. They're there to examine evidence and possibly find the other direction. I mean, I mean like famously that knife on Duke lacrosse thing where he's accusing this guy of rape. And there's Bank records of this guy to eight. Across town. And they basically say it's time stamped how could he beat the and being in the bathroom or the frat house raping someone simultaneously, and he's not interested in that care? It's like it's like with with mine, midway through the trial. I'll never forget incompetent. I mentioned this before the ballistics fest comes back because we didn't wave time in the case. And it shows us not the gun the prosecutor stand up and dismiss now they can't they invented a second gun theory. Yeah. Guys are almost Hispanics appraisers. Yeah. Let me tell you about Pluto TV the leading free streaming television service. You can watch over one hundred TV channels and thousands of movies on demand completely frayed. Pluto TV never asked for credit card. You don't even need to sign up to watch for free. Pluto TV's easing completely legal way to watch your favorite TV shows and hit movies, and it is all for free. Never pay for TV again by downloading Pluto, TV I can't figure out their business model. How do they make money? I don't know because it's all for it's all for free. It's amazing. You can download Pluto TV for free on your favorite devices. You got your iphone, you got Roku Amazon. Whenever phone you have Amazon fire TV apple, TV smart TVs, PlayStations and chassis. That's my channel CHA SS. Why? And that's available now on five. Oh, one channel five. Oh, one on Pluto TV. So the so Cavanaugh. Okay. So there's some rumblings about oh, they're going to try to get some of his accusers. Yeah. This is Chuck Grassley. Who is I don't know. What's happened to this guy? I used to really really think he was a kind of a statesman this kind of judicious, fair guy and. You know, I always say males. But we have to look forward to is. When you hit seventy four seventy five you really a rapid decline after that. This guy's eighty five. So he's about ten years past the bell curve. And he's referring anybody in everybody over to the department of Justice the problem. He's got is the one accuser who came out and admitted that she made it up in his crazy sounds crazy. At least there may be something there, but that's a really tough case to prosecute specifically unless you're going to do an obstruction because obstructions got a pretty wide expanse. But the others they didn't do anything and they didn't act on it. They're not going to go after Kris blassie Ford. That's so that's given. They didn't do much on the second one. And I think Venetis they was completely ignored at least when I watched. I didn't see anything to do with that. If you're. Going to say that submitting a declaration to the the tribunal. Meaning they judiciary committee is going to constitute an obstruction. That's never gonna go anywhere. That's a nonstop. Well, because everything is political nature nowadays, I'm assuming this is either to send a a cannonball over the bow. The Democrats say don't if you take control the house of the Senate or wherever do not plan on bringing bringing on more these people because we will be prosecuting them. Like is there is this? I'm sending a message. I think it's look you've got Grassley Grassley is head of his committee. So he can run through if the Republicans lose the Senate, which is you know, two votes. Basically if there are two seats, I should say, then he's no longer. The chairman it flips over to Feinstein and. So he knows that the way to kind of fire up the base is by saying Cavanaugh Cavanaugh, the the Democrats completely misplayed if you will how that was how that unfolded and the cavenaugh hearing unfolded, and they and the Republicans had quite a bit of momentum going into the midterms up until the Skara van in the and then the van with the Trump Caesar's say rock or something like that. Yeah. Which by the way, do your to break some news, apparently, my my client was targeted with a bomb as well, Colin, but apparently apper knit cap for Nick. Apparently, they couldn't find his address online. So you know, when I wanna know is where they looking at my address because I get nothing, but Colin Kaepernick nasty Email. Nls nasty letters, and I would've expected the FBI to have come to my door and knocked on it and said, Mark, you should know this. But I didn't I didn't get a whole lot of information from the FBI. Well, I'll tell you what other story fifteen years ago fourteen years ago. I get a call special agent, whatever his name is Jones Friday afternoon, we Mr Garriga, we'd like to come visit you and so immediately you think I what did I do wrong with into custody on a Friday. I'll sit there to the weekend even though so let's go to the magistrate immediately. So they come to NATO, we have a credible threat on your life said really from who can't tell you about what can't tight they said. Well, then why did you come in ruin my fucking weekend? Telling me, there's a credible threat of my life. Yeah. Thanks a lot. We'll get does that do me at least with CEO, ker, whatever his name is the the mad stripper. The you. Understood the guys. In custody in the information. They're deriving from his label maker in from his right internet searches. But in the other case where they tell you we've got a credible threat. But we're not gonna do anything. You have to wonder what I frankly would rather not know at that point. I agree. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You don't wanna know that something bad's in your hot dog? But I can't tell you what keep eating it. I have a question for you, which I've been meaning to ask for episodes. Didn't I see Jimmy with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon at the dodger game? Yes with I'm with stupid t shirt. Yeah. Well, but my question was more fundamental who buys tickets in threes. You buy in force, right? Why weren't you the four seat? It's a good. It's a very shit because nobody's buying. Nobody says, hey, I got three seats to the game tonight. Or you may say I've got three extras feel like as a guy who's a couple Laker games. Sat courtside a couple of times. Somebody has those tickets somebody quizzed them to somebody nobody goes out and buys them. They're just there. It's it's the rich getting richer. Well, then can I ask you another question, it's on legal topic? But if you did you watch the World Series. I watched some of it when you watched it. Did you see Larry King sitting behind the plate? Probably. Yes. Did you see Mary Hart? Yes. Okay. Did you see Mary Hart doing that thing with her arms? Now, look like a giant grasshopper. I did not. Okay. I this is why I haven't I've been inspired by Mary Hart who many years ago did that move where she insured her legs for like one million dollars. And I don't know how it works. It just lets the world. No. You have great legs. And I've decided to that. I'm not sure Michael courts. No, my brain your brain for how are fine. Five hundred million dollars of London for Loyd's London. I liked that. But but I think I'm smart I have a question for you. Well, yeah, especially they get they send you an appraiser up. Yeah. Reads in the third grade level. No, it's not a fifth grade level, by the way, you can't you don't know all the spelling of the there's a third grade. And I got two out of three. I have a question for you. This was Sutton. We used too much time on our hands. Would you rather? This came to play last year when I met for my whole life. I wanted to meet Mike Connors, whose original name was jail onion. You know? That is Ryan my honors. Oh, he's arm hair hundred that hair. Yeah. Exactly. Like, connor. She was Mannix like back when they had all like McCloud Kojak. And I was just like seventies cop. You know? All you needed you needed. Good hair. Right. You needed a hot secretary, you need a kind of a cool convertible car. And then you went by one name, right, man. X men, and is like on the case, and it could fem- song. Great the montage you at the beginning of Boston people at some point ladies checking the out. I always thought Mannix was the air was the kind of the the foundation for magnum PI same thing. Magnum vertebral good hair. So my when I met him because he's armone. He was always kind of an arm. Oh, it's weird because it was Soir. They and had big thick black hair. Right. Right. Same as Mike Connor Mike Connors. Well, here's a ritual name grew up in Fresno was Jay Owen? And my mother said she and her. Her girlfriends used to go to the was called the Bosco theater. I think is what it was called. And he was an usher at the theatre. Now, we're going back about eighty years and the arm oh girls used to go and just like drool over him at his one looking Armagh one good look at arm. Oh, so I finally met him last year before he died for he pass away it might even been longer than a year ago. And he was telling me he was sharp as a tack is in his ninety s and he was telling me that from the neck up. Everything was great. But from the neck down. It was a disaster many passed away shortly thereafter, and so the question, and we and I started this game with Mike Connors before he passed away. Would you rather have the neck down because or the next up? Good because he made it pretty good argument for what good is the neck up. If you realize everything below the neck is a disaster that. If your neck up, if you're basically, you know, you've got the the the awareness and the consciousness of an ripe avocado the better off. Well, it's interesting. You know, if I was still swinging hammer, I'd probably say neck down. But then when you end up just sort of talking for living, then you gotta think neck got unless you're insured, and then does that does Lynette cat too. You know, and then is it if your brain goes, and do they have a definition of wet triggers the payout 'cause is it disability. Are you going to ensure for disability the brain? So if you have a TI, you get to collect a little something, and then you have to figure out what's TI like a the, unlike a mini stroke. So then do you have to have a percentage of disability? How much does your brain have to dial back and be? Be disabled in order for you to collect on the policy to eighty percent, seventy fifty what would you what would be the call? But if if you observe me more than three days a week watching the view in its entirety. That means something went wrong and Lynette can just stand behind me. All I listen to Choi pay harsh take on what's going on in the news, and she can just film on her phone, and then she'll turn that in. But don't you love, you know, my favorite one of my favorite humans favorite females. Sorry, poet apologies. Sunny, hosting on the view, and she's great. I love Sonny. Sonny is just a kick. Well, let me ask you. I have a fourteenth amendment. Question for you that I I've again, I sit around I turn on the news. I hear both sides of the story. And then I go now, let's see if I can get the truth from March. I want your take on that being brought up being discussed. There's few different takes on it. I I'll tell you about true car car tips. Great. You may not know say get some air in those tires man and remove excess weight from the car get that junk out of the trunk. 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But then when you hear it or you think about what the founding fathers were trying to prevent and then you think about what about people coming here from China or. Drew would say at a sorta interesting thing. The founding fathers could have never pictured Chinese people getting in a big aluminum tube and flying here from China and having a kid here. And I said, you know, in a way, if you're having this discussion with the left, it's the same argument, they make about the founding fathers in the second amendment and machine guns. Like all of those guys all had muskets that could have never envisioned a world where people had AK forty sevens and AR fifteen they didn't envision that. And it's like all right, but they also may not have envisioned. Chinese people come in here and doing like birth turns them, so it's the same kind of argument. What is tell me your opinion on it? Well, the remember the fourteenth enshrines this idea that the that there is a birthright citizenship through to the through the constitution. So. So the first thing that came out was and this is what you do when you do statutory construction or you do any kind of analysis of the law. There is a hierarchy of what Trump's what pun intended. Right. So the constitution is the bedrock. That is kind of the highest then under the constitution. You can have case law, which are cases that interprets the constitution or cases that interpret what's called the common law. You then have statutes that that are there and in some states, and in some where you have a code pleading state or states that have codes than the codes can take priority over the common law. So without teaching law school class. There's a great interplay. But there's a hierarchy if he was when he first came out and said by executive order, I'm going to revoke it you could not do that. So legally you were he's not. Not going to be able to issue an executive order like he did with some of the others where an executive order that he issued that repealed or revoked is a better probably the better term one of Obama's executive orders. You can do that because they're on kind of a lateral plane, but an executive order cannot be issued that's going to undercut the constitution. So that's a non starter if he wants to or if they want to do that, I their first challenge would be the he dabbed the department of Justice or somebody else, for instance, if he said there was an immigration somebody somebody had their citizenship revoked, and then the person who had it revoked challenges whether they have it revoked, and there's a history of this in the law. Most famously with Nazi war criminals who basically misled the department when they came in here on the application got became naturalized citizens and then years later, they determine it's a Nazi war criminal. He didn't talk about this. Or he didn't answer the questions we're going to now go through a preceding where we revoke the the thing. That's you get yourself into the legal proceedings. A judge makes a ruling and then you determine whether or not you can do it. I'm so that's the that is the process by what you doing if they wanted to do that they could they could amend the constitution, and that requires state legislatures in constitutional conventions and things of that nature. There's a process, but it's not going to happen clearly overnight. It's going to be like something where you've got the equal rights amendment. You've got back in the day where you had prohibition back in the day. When you add. Women's voting you in there are processes by which to do it. And you know, it is when you hear the discussion, I'm sure if somebody isn't up on their civics or involved in the law, you say to yourself, none of this makes sense because I listened to it, and it's just gibberish for the most part. I mean, the idea that he's going to issue an executive order revoking birthright citizenship is just not going to happen. It just won't say it's a non starter. Can somebody argue can one argue that you don't have to get rid of the fourteenth amendment. But it's not being applied properly. Yeah. You could make that would your Chinese and you fly in and you have kids at a birthing hotel that that's an abuse and a misinterpretation of the of the fourteenth amendment. Right. And so they would have to in order because the law generally does not answer hypothetical questions. So you. Can't present that to a judge and say, look judge, hypothetically, I want you to rule on this. I mean, every judge I've appeared in front of would tell you. I I don't do hypotheticals. You would have to have it done. Somebody would have to say I'm going to revoke your citizenship. The person who citizenship is being revoked would then contested, and it would have to go through the court system. All the way presumably to the US supreme court, which would have to rule on the argument, then depending on which way they ruled on the argument, congress can get involved. So that is the process by which it works interesting. And that's why I'm always always. And so always glad to talk to you. So when Trump is doing this Trump is grandstanding. Yeah. I mean, it's no different. I suppose. Than a lot. When he says, I'm going to do the Muslim ban. You saw played out. That's exactly what happens you get an attorney general in some state who contested they go through they go through the legal process. It works that way up. It may get you may get one ruling at the district court another at the circuit court, and in the US supreme court's going to rule on it. So that's the way the process works. It doesn't just happen overnight. It's a legal challenge, you know, to their credit. The federal is society takes the long view because they've been trying to push the law of the right for twenty five years. Now, they've been very successful in doing it by taking the long view looking for cases in the system that are percolating up on their particular issue. And then they forced that issue to push it through to get the courts to do what they can't get the legislature to do. So it's an interesting, but that's also for my standpoint, why always get such a such a tickle about or such a kiss? Out of the idea that you know, the liberals are the activists courts in the the others. The right is the strict construction, it's no, they're both active. Both sides are activists both sides want what they want on their particular issue. And they just go about it differently. They looked for ways in which to present their issue, whether it's a proper challenge to gay marriage or a decorating a cake challenge to servicing those who are getting married his gays. So I'm the idea of strict construction as forces liberal activists courts, it's all nonsense, by the way on that subject of the over zealous DA's. I think in that case at a Portland or somewhere around there. There were about the florist who didn't want to do the floral arrangement for the gay couple of a gay wedding because of Florence's religious convictions. The gay couple evidently who was friendly with the full floors. Didn't have a problem with it. They said, I get it. We'll go to the other floors, then they'll make something the DA just decided to move in on this not with a complaint by the gay couple just heard of this and said, I'm going to get insert. I'm gonna cert- myself into this transaction. Well, the thirty years ago thirty five years ago, maybe when during the whole eight scare I we had a client. Jessica of our two Ginza in Jessica's nails. She a nail salon in Beverly Hills and the city of Beverly Hills or west Holly West Hollywood Beverly Hills passed an ordinance he couldn't discriminate against somebody with aids. And so some guy walks into. To Jessica's nail salon and promptly announces. I have aids and I wanna pedicure, and you know, and they said, well, we can't do it. We don't have the, you know, we want to keep our people safer, whatever else ends up prosecuting, criminally. I mean, you know, it was the whole thing appeared to be as setup. But that was you know, that's how a lot of these things when you want to use the law as a way to litigate your social issues. That's the way it starts. Well, I gotta tell you though, I would argue that in one thousand nine hundred eighty s if you did have aids you probably didn't need a pedicure. That would be my only argument, and I will tell you about their works right now leg or foot cramps. 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The Brett Kavanaugh Epistemological Crisis

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The Brett Kavanaugh Epistemological Crisis

"I will not be intimidated withdrawing from this process. You've tried hard. You've given it your all. No one can question your effort but you're coordinated and well funded effort to destroy my good name and destroy my family will not drive me out in which you want to do is destroy this guy's life. Hold this seat open and hope you win at twenty twenty okay so I asked if you drink in high school and you said I like beer ten times leads me to the next question. Did you ever drink too many beer cool yeah hello and welcome to trump cast. I'm Virginia Heffernan. I know Oh that I recommended succession to you and it's still a great show. It's still in it's terrific second season Sunday nights on HBO and I'm still not schilling for it but but I do want to spare a thought for unbelievable which happens to have the advantage unlike succession of being released in full eight episodes every single telepaths owed on net flicks so you can just binged it's based on the story of a serial rapist as reported by PROPUBLICA and the Marshall Project and feminism awesome is not an angle on the show not a lens. It's the air the whole series breathes. I bring it up because we're going to be talking about Brett Cavanaugh today hey an unbelievable has managed to throw into relief a thought I had during his somewhat traumatic confirmation and that's like no other crime. One's relationship to rape seems to dovetail with one's relationship to truth. What I mean is sexual? Assault is an event that like it or not unlike armed robbery can be quarrelled over was bred cavenaugh waving his penis around at a party at Yale and even forcing it into faces and hands was that assault abuse immoral illegal. Does it matter what the context was or how insulted some people in the room were by it or or how many laughed it off and what if no one's traumatized by the wagging penis it is it a crime then we get into an epistemological project that has a dangerous dark dark side and that's the persistence of doubt about the testimony of victims male and female because the possibility of someone who wags his Dick Around at parties to him the possibility of him being thought an assailant almost our rapist is so important that to get that feeling away he and and I'm thinking of Red Cavenaugh himself here has to demonize the victims and call them opportunists and liars and no one in this whole mess seems capable full of giving just a dry recitation of the facts what happened between Brad Kavanagh and Christine Blasi fort what happened between Brett Cavanaugh and and Debbie Ramirez at Yale the women in the stories represent themselves as so traumatized that they have a hard time thinking clearly about what happened and I and Brad Kavanagh represents himself as so victimized that he clearly can't talk about what happened so we end up in a truth twister and everyone is flooded flooded with terror terror of sexual violence for those who identify with the victims tariff being found out by people who identify with the sexually aggressive purpose CBS unbelievable shows a wide range of responses to rape by both men and women. I've never seen anything like it and it reminds me of an extraordinary observation by one one of my mentors in graduate school. The philosopher land scary Elaine said to have pain is to have certainty to hear about pain is is to have doubt GonNa leave it at that and let that sink in as they say on twitter my guest today Robin Pogrebin and and Kate Kelly took an epistemological vacuum the one that opened up when Republicans in the Senate refused to vote for further investigation into Brad Kavanagh before they confirmed confirmed him so we didn't get the investigation then we were denied that investigation and that's where Robyn and cate came in they've given it to us now in their book took the education of Brett Cava. I'm so happy they're joining me on the show and what's a busy week for them. Welcome Robin and Kate Trump cast. Thank you for having us Sometimes I think there have been two kind of major reciprocal traumas of the past three years. the first was the the election in two thousand sixteen and the second was Brad Kavanagh. Now those are the ones that really like went into my dream life other little little things along the way didn't sink in so so deeply an horribly and feel like trauma to the country or at least to the women in the country but but that one I mean I don't know if you had the same experience but right after Cavanaugh was confirmed the people I saw the women I saw the friends I saw seemed like kind of hollow-eyed an empty and just defeatist and it really seemed like the world was upside down. We had heard Christine Bazi Ford. Give more than credible testimony money almost hard to doubt testimony like as much as you stretch your mind to disbelieve her. It was very difficult and then see the Senate and particularly Susan Collins blow past that and everyone else say no investigation and the performance of course of Lindsey Graham the fake outrage anyway. Was that your experience Kate and Robin and is that what inspired you to write the book I think the inspiration for the book came a little bit later than when the Christine Blasi Ford and then the Deborah Ramirez allegations came out. I think it happened when the confirmation vote happened on October sixth after a very abbreviated. TV AIDED FBI investigation the results of which nobody knew other than key members of the Senate and the White House and we felt like there were so many unanswered questions and wherever those answers would lead whether it would lead to additional corroboration of those women's allegations wins or it would lead to vindication for justice cavenaugh because the allegations weren't right we felt like we wanted a sense sense of closure just as human beings and citizens and curious journalists and we were pretty certain a lot of other people would like to have the closure and we thought let's take a look at this. Let's try to investigate this ourselves and see what we might be able to find in terms of the personal reaction to the proceedings. It was very gut wrenching I think for everybody and I think a lot of us have experiences or know people who have had experiences with sexual assault and that's always very difficult to hear. We've heard a lot more about it since the me too movement started so I think there's a lot of emotional reaction and there's a lot of sort of accumulated anguish over the stories that were hearing and that we know of at the same time justice cavenaugh then judge cavanaugh being frustrated aiden an angry left very searing image for a lot of us and on reflection interesting thing for robin and I was the fact that we tried to put ourselves in his shoes a bit and thank how we would feel if our son our our spouse were accused of something and believe the accusation was wrong on. How painful would that be for us as well as for him? There is this sort of moral outrage around it but the reason that I that it seems like cavenaugh. This was an important occasion for journalism is that there's also maybe sounds too rarefied but like an epistemological piston logical crisis because you heard Christine Blasi forgive this imperfectly empirical testimony not only. Did she know what she she knew but she really knew what she didn't know it sounded it was just it was so flushed out it felt like a real experience and then in response you got yeah. I like beer. Don't I'm falsely accused. You're wrecking my life but nothing that made sense of all the material evidence of the calendar of the of the slang and the calendar of the culture at Georgetown Prep and so it was I think part of the trauma which just being reminded of all all the experiences where you've been unable to get a straight answer both from this administration in the blur of contacts with with Russia and all kinds of other things they were they just kept strong arming us about obstructing justice about and in our metoo experiences. We just never got a hearing to say this is exactly what happened and journalism. Yes you say we must have been curious. You must have been curious to find out what happened here and I'm so glad that you jumped into the breach. Well thank you for saying that I mean I think that you know everyone we talked to and we certainly shared this view on some level felt a sense of things being unfinished. They felt unsettled. Take unsatisfied frankly that these events which were so highly charged flew by where you had journalists kind of frantically trying to kind of find find the facts even as this was on spooling at at a very fast rate and that was sort of this impetus the impetus for us to kind of go back at all of this in a more thoughtful considered way with the benefit benefit of more time and some perspective to really try to understand what happened here more about who these people were in a more three dimensional way and also so you know to frankly realize that actually it's because of the moment we're living in where there is this raise consciousness around sexual misconduct and we are so sort of politically klay divided as a country that people really this was kind of like a a roar sach test and then people just saw what they wanted to see without actually some some real kind have deep investigation and trying to kind of get to the truth quite frankly so let's start with the resignation of Justice Kennedy because we once had an expert on apartheid on the show Andreas do toy who still an activist in South Africa 'cause he had written a really interesting threads saying justice Kennedy's resignation reminded him of a moment before apartheid when a small seemingly administrative thing happened and it led led to autocracy and he thought this might be the same thing that there was something in that almost accidental completely spontaneous and unexpected effected event of Kennedy's resignation from the Supreme Court that then ended up putting cavenaugh in place. What did you learn about that resignation? I know they've always been questions about it did you. I think there was anything suspicious about it or at least opportunistic about it. What did you make of that moment? I mean there was definitely there. Were a lot of conspiracy theories you know in some way Kennedy had been coaxed to leave and he begins some guarantees about who would replace him. You know we were never able to actually pin that down but I think there was is the sense that we had that he was given some assurances that these particularly these these clerks who had clerked for him that at least with with cavenaugh that he was a very likely candidate to replace him and I think that Kennedy had an interest in sort of preserving his legacy with some sort of a known commodity and and certainly has very kind of fond feelings for cavenaugh and a close relationship so there was some sense that Kennedy had some sense that he was going to be leaving being his position in good hands but there is no nothing kind of dispositive that bears that out okay that's useful and so do you think it was true that there were a few front runners and the cavanaugh was among the front runners or was that was the fix in for Cavanaugh I mean I think that he was Don mcgann. Don mcgann was White House counsel at the time they had a history together in the Bush administration and just from Washington establishment circles and so I think he was it was somewhat mcgann's man and I think Megan certainly championed him but you know basically what it was interesting about. This court process was that you know even though trump tends to be a president is an who seems to have all the answers when it comes to picking judges. He seems to have a sort of it kind of acknowledged what he doesn't know and deferred to sort of contract contracted out to the Federalist Society which is the organization that kind of cultivates conservative judges so there was a kind of a federal society it list of potential candidates you know all of them kind of satisfied the basics in terms of conservative agenda some of them were more problematic automatic than others in terms of kind of confirmation potential but but what was interesting was that I from what we learned cavanaugh was not necessarily considered conservative enough by some people who were part of this process that he was a little too middle of the road little to establishment Washington figure and kind of more of a Roberts then let's say an Alito or a gorsuch when they were trying to secure kind of the right on the court and I think they also were frankly that he that his kind of he had too many too much of a document train he had had too many papers when he worked for President Bush and that might be a problem so he wasn't like he was a shoo-in but he was certainly strong a strong candidate. 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That's better help dot com slash trump cast so let's talk about the proximity to mcgann this speculation. That Cavanaugh was to center the road. It seems to me that a McConnell figure only cares about abortion and just in the gross you know lines of these things just cartoonish representations of them and trump seems to only care about protecting himself broad executive powers so so on which of those two or what other things did cavenaugh seem to centrist Cavanaugh was always high on the White House list not don mcgann the White House counsel soul who had known cavenaugh for a long time and had worked with him previously was a fan and he had instructed his staff to Vet Brad Kavanagh Amy Kony Barrett and some others in advance of Kennedy's retirement as a matter of fact they were ready for it roughly a year before it actually happened because Kennedy ahead signaled that he might be retiring not long after Judge Justice Gorsuch was confirmed in terms of the Centrism Kavanagh's jurisprudence was actually a little more pragmatic and less ideological on the circuit court in DC then some of the more conservative leaning meaning textualist would have preferred so one of those examples was his ruling on obamacare which was kind of a down the middle ruling it was not not as conservative as somewhat of liked. Let me know how it's possible that Cavanaugh was considered to centrists in my cartoonish idea of this McConnell connel and rank and file Republicans care only about abortion when it comes to the Supreme Court and Donald Trump our president cares only about someone who will protect him and and assert assert his broad executive powers as bill does how did Brad Kavanagh seemed to follow foul of either of those in being too centrist or is it a total another issue altogether altogether that got him that reputation so Brad Kavanagh had very much put together his conservative Bona Fides along the way he had worked for a Republican President George W Bush he had worked on the independent counsel team for Kenneth Starr in terms of looking into Whitewater and then later the Monica Lewinsky matter her as a judge on the circuit court in DC for twelve years he had been sort of a pragmatic judge from time to time would surprise with his his opinions. One example of is there was a two thousand eleven case that challenged the legality of obamacare and although on the one hand he dissented from from the two to one ruling in Obamacare's favor he sort of muddied the picture by saying the judges had no jurisdiction to resolve the dispute over the legislation so that was something that was actually red flagged by White House counsel Don mcgann's team as they were doing the vetting of future potential justice cavenaugh they went through through his three hundred odd opinions from the circuit court and flag the ones that might be flashpoints in a debate in which he was framed or hoping to be framed as the go-to conservative choice one of them there was also a somewhat noted abortion case from two thousand seventeen gene that involved an undocumented immigrants in Texas who had crossed the border was pregnant and wanted to obtain an abortion and that was sort of a complex like set of issues but essentially he argued that this teenager should spend a little bit more time waiting to obtain that abortion and even though she had had a lower court say that she was entitled to one because of matters that related to her being seventeen years old and not of majority age age and needing to be with a so called custodian before that procedure happened so that was kind of a mixed result in conservative is on the one hand it imposed a delay or a restriction on the access to the abortion on the other hand though it didn't block it entirely what I guess I also want to know is how integrated rated is his thinking about the law with his temperament and character and life. You know way more about him now than probably anyone should he just doesn't frankly strike me whereas as a justice a jurist he seems like a different kind of guy and even when I hear Bedouin us really tried to persuade me that he was he's a conscientious insertive man of the law but he seems like a B. Student and a party hack you just doesn't have that Scalia or BG presence what's in T. Can you tell me why I'm wrong about that or maybe I am right. That's a good question. I think it's a little bit of both actually I don't think he was is a massive intellect. You know he certainly the people we talked to about him in college and Law School he was not sort of the the standout student who I'm kind of impressed people with his kind of his mind or his his ideas he wasn't the person kind of raising his hand and speaking up in class and the interestingly was doesn't even politically active at all which may have been strategic at the time I mean he did ultimately joined the federalist society when he was law school but he was kind of an every man you know many many people speak to the idea that he didn't make much of an impression which was really kind of interesting to us and you know now in retrospect it may look like that was by design because because you know he was uncontroversial somewhat but you know one of these grey lines is someone describing him as kind of ham on White was how they would talk about he was more about fitting fitting in than standing out and I think that was his. Mo and it ended up kind of serving him well because he wasn't objectionable didn't alienate people he just didn't sort of take strong positions one way or the other although he may have felt them he he certainly wasn't voicing them. and even you know interestingly George Priest who was oh at one of his law professors one of the few conservative law professors at Yale law school which is kind of typically known for having liberal bent he recommended him to judge Kozinski when judge Kozinski was looking for a clerk because George priest not said he wasn't wasn't because he was impressive in torts class of George Pre said to me but because he was kind of Nice Guy on the basketball court like basically had had good manners so it's sort of you get a sense that that was people sense of him was yes. He was Jock a party guy sort of a unobjectionable e- easy to be around but at the same time you know obviously academically distinguished so kind of like a covert student where he it was actually putting in the time and effort to to do well enough to get admitted to Yale law school. That's not something that people can easily do and certainly there are no connections we found down that would have kind of grease the wheels for him and then you know a series of impressive clerkship and jobs in the profession as well as talking to clerks of his who who who said how much how important it was to him that politics did not enter into his decision making in his consideration of cases which was interesting given kind of how oh kind of partisan people assume him to be given his writing the star report and kind of going after Clinton over the Lewinsky affair. It seems like his decision making I'm Ben was not influenced either by ideology or by intellect basketball court stuff it was that and it was wanting to be on the court. You wanted to be a judge. Yeah I think he you know and I do think he is kind of like a letter of law guy in a pragmatist in a way that is actually just kind of either it just less less ideological as you said in his own words. He's a prologue judge pro that was what he said more than once during the proceedings last year unlike like the studiously anti law judges that the world you know all about so the beginning of the book you visit his his Georgetown prep reunion in the very start start the homecoming at Georgetown and there's a really interesting where us there the crowd is talking about some of his old classmates are talking about a letter that surfaced. You may have to remind me of all this. It's something that he wrote about like the House rules when he was with his party Buddy's. Tell us about that because you what you say is not only only does it have that party language that Matt Damon satirized so well the references to heavy beer-drinking all that but it also has some little kind of annoying rules about how much everyone does for this summer house or this share whatever they're getting and a few other things and you use the word persnickety when and which is is not how we think cavenaugh but that's another side of him so tell me about persnickety yeah I mean we got this beach week. Letter so called letter that's right New York Times about a year ago and we wrote about it in the paper and then I sort of expanded on it in writing this portion of the prologue yes and essentially what it was was that a a letter that cavenaugh had written in the late winter of nineteen eighty-three when he was a senior in high school and he and his friends were preparing for beach week now beach week for the uninitiated is a week long retreat that occurs among sort of the more affluent students in the DC area. You humanity like a lot of fun. It's I'm getting. I'm getting to the dark side of each week so it's a week long beach vacation in ocean city Maryland and Rehoboth and I'm sure do we. I'm sure people go to different places on the Delaware shore but in this case I think the focus was on ocean city and essentially essentially barely chaperoned or even UN chaperoned young people get together in these condominiums and drink their faces off and hook up and go to the beach then get into all kinds of shenanigans cabin on his group of friends went multiple years and much has been written about this for your listeners who are interested by Mark Mark Judge his classmate who's written several books about his high school experience and beach week factors in but anyway Brett wrote a letter to help organize beach week and he he told the Group of friends that they needed to put together three hundred ninety eight dollars as a deposit for the condominium and that they would have to handle this because he was going to be on vacation during the week where it was due and he provided information about that but he also talked about how they hoped that girls would come and stay with them and that there was more than enough room for girls but that they had to limit the access of others because they only had so many beds and they should maybe warned the neighbors that they were obnoxious and prolific Olympic puke was his word which later became sort of salient because it came up during the Senate confirmation hearings that he has a weak stomach and was known back in the day day for bombing when he was drinking too much and once again mark judge has written about cavenaugh with sort of thinly-veiled Avatar known as Bardo Cavanaugh aw for passing out and puking in someone's car so to make a very long story short. This letter was resonant for some of the Georgetown Prep Alumni who were talking about the New York Times story we had written on it at the Georgetown Prep Reunion last October and they thought it was classic Brett it was on on one hand his organizational side and his eye for detail and on the other the sort of party side and the puking the invitation for Girls US etc yes first of all I love your son of emotionless summary of this thing which is just obviously you know that absurd spring break stuff that used to get advertisers to us every in the eighties Fort Lauderdale and whatever I never was lucky enough or unlucky enough to be invited but it was definitely a phenomenon coming on in the eighties it's weird because Elena Kagan is roughly the same age is bred Kevin. I don't remember her her beach week stories do you do you guys on this haven't heard anything about that but she from the DC area. I think she's from New York. Is there a beach week. In New York. Robin we don't we don't do beach week in New York City but go out to the Hamptons and Bruce so so a and and that may thinking about Elena Kagan in the same breath as Brat Cabina is the kind of thing. I feel like we've been doing for three years. It used to right around the time stormy Daniels News broke. I just tried this thought experiment of Hillary Clinton is paying off guys them the thunder from down under and you know male strippers chippendales dancers or whatever and we've just learned about it and taking not in it's just it's just very hard in some ways to think that these two genders there's and people from such contrasting cultures can now. I'll be in Washington together and again and indeed running the country at the court at the same time I hear that Robin and how you summarize Kavanagh's life it's it's almost just a completely alien so catholocism. That's something I wanNA lean on my my colleague. Dolly Olympic did a really interesting to you in with Elena Kagan and she was talking to justice Kagan about religion on the court and apparently just as gorsuch. I I think is one of the few or maybe Clarence Thomas are they're. They're very few Protestants on the court now that it's it's really dominated by these by Catholics and Jews and religion does inflict decision making at the level of the court. I mean you know if it would be almost impossible to think of something like abortion without it. Being in the context of Religion Brad Kavanagh story obviously had a lot of religion to it there were sort of virgin whore paradigm and they're all in Catholic school together and you know I was kind of surprised to hear Christine Blasi Four. He's not that much older than I am talking in that you know honestly the Catholic Matrix of about her inexperience inexperience and cabin talked about his sexual inexperience. It's just very different from hearing people from other parts of life talk about sexuality. Tell me about his catholicism awesome so I think Brad Kavanagh and his current family his wife Ashley and his daughters but also his family of origin Martha and Ed and him his his parents and he were very religious and he continues to be he goes to church every week. He's elector every five weeks I believe at blessed sacrament which is a large church in Chevy Chase he's done some charity work for local Catholic charities and it's a big part of his life he was an altar boy growing growing up at this church called little flower just outside of DC so I think that tradition is very real for him. Georgetown prep which was his high school is a Jesuit high school and the jesuits within the Catholic religion are are sort of the progressives relatively speaking and they're of course known for their educational national tradition. I think there was something of an absence of much sexual education at Georgetown Prep based on the interviews that I've done with people who attended in the late nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties which is when Cavanaugh was there. I think that there was a real emphasis on on religious history and there was a mandatory chapel service every week and there was some time services before football games on a Saturday and prayers whereas before every class prayers before every game so there was a set of rituals and a set of traditions that sort of ran through the school curriculum along with religion class itself was all part of the backbone and in some ways it ended up in a sort of interesting direction like there was an extra racism course that was taught as part of religion to the freshman by a priest who specialized in exorcism and would play tapes apparently Lee of a possessed young child that is a memory that sticks out for a lot of people are just debates over religion and the meaning of being Catholic Click and the idea of forgiveness and all of these things that were had on a regular basis at Georgetown prep so I think they had like a pretty vibrant intellectual LECTU and spiritual rigor to their program yeah when it comes to sexuality what I gathered from all these interviews is that there really was a sense of casual misogyny. That was a word that one of the alumni in Kavanagh's class used a sense that you could sort of dismiss women make fun of have them talk about them as sexual objects and that was kind of an accepted thing one example of that that we've seen was this Rinat oughta thing the fact that in the yearbook all these boys talked about this young woman named Renata who was a friend of theirs and someone in their social circle and apparently kind of an attractive young girl that some of them are probably had crushes on and did take to dances and so on and spend time with his friends but they would talk about her as if she was a sexual conquest and kind of talk about their sexual experiences with her none of which were real based on the reporting that we've done including statements from her she was friends with them went with them to some dances and things but there was no sex that went on the idea that you could joke around about your sexual actual behavior from over the weekend and drinking behavior and you could speak in this sort of disparaging way but at the same time really care about a young woman you knew those two do things coexisted and one more example of that is in the underground newspaper that Mark Judge ran along with some other classmates though not cavenaugh there was very misogynistic talk in that paper about Holt narms which was the high school that Christine Blasi Ford went to Pristine Blasi at the time and there was talk talk about all it takes to score with a girl from Holden is a Montgomery County library card and among other things so you can kind of get a flavor of what I'm talking about. There is actually does that mean because then you seem smart or is it then you have access to the very erotic stacks or something I don't. I don't get it. I don't I know if it was that well thought through. I'm not sure where they were going with. Them actually tried to reach the woman that was referenced in that column and was not able to so. I wasn't able to Asker Oscar yeah. Guess what been what Nicole steak kit is back so excited because this time we yes. I can't wait to get started Thursday kid. This is a little bit about what we do right. We we are explorers in a what that means they call that we were caught culture and we look Zion think about the ways in which the to our listeners old and new that means we're going to stick with our classics like fantastic wars and thorough discussions about the ways pop pop culture shapes desire and of course we are going to have guests and also some new voices and we can swing. Maybe even a celebrity or three sinus first aid kit where we left out loud back Thursday September between six here on slate. I was watching not long ago and old episode of Charlie Rose about date rape and campus sexuality and and Christopher Hitchens was on it and I was inclined to sort of shut him out because he was saying the opposite of what I wanted to hear but what he said stayed with me and it reminded me of certain things that Cavanaugh said when he was testifying namely that male sexuality is so unstable and has so much shame associated with it and so much performance anxiety and so much having to prove yourself yourself that Hitchens essentially said that he felt to like a victim of patriarchy all he was thinking about was would he be able to perform would he be able to manage himself sexually manage his sexual aggression and his sexual fears and there was there was a little bit of that and I promise I'm not trying to show compassion bashing for Gavin ah but there was a time when he was talking and saying believe me I didn't have sex when I was in high school that he almost seemed to be looking back to this very the insecure high school kid who just didn't know what he was about and I almost saw that there was an opportunity for him to say which might have cleared him. I had no fucking clue what I was doing. I was a big drinker and all I wanted to be able to kiss girls and I couldn't and I was awkward and I was weird and I thought Christ I thought Christine wanted this and it was in the habit of kind of trying to kiss people when they didn't WanNa be kissed and I am so sorry and I really expected what would it cost him to say that but he couldn't right I mean I think there are two things I mean. First of all I do think you're onto something that that certainly our book does flesh out and that was partly Wiley revisited these early years yeah was they do kind of show us a picture of a kid that that you did kind of see testifying and kind of talking on Fox it's news. This is not a guy who had the moves and got the girls yeah this guy who stayed by the keg and maybe said some kind of disparaging things that sounded kind of blustery like I'm GonNa get that girl in fact you know there wasn't a lot of follow through and actually nobody remembers him having a girlfriend in college or you're in high school for that matter on even though he may have I mean it just he was not you know he was clearly someone who's maybe was really uncomfortable around women and perhaps resorted Talca Hall as a way to feel more socially eighties. I think there's really something to that and he clearly on national television said I was a virgin through college yet. Oh that's right earn something. That's true you know. This is not somebody who was kind of just not putting notches on his belt at the same time. I think there are a lot of people who have suggested did sort of this middle ground where he could have acknowledged some sort of earlier behavior. He's not proud of and perhaps a apologize to those. He may have hurt along the way in sort of being this sort of Ham handed bungling adolescent yeah and I think that the consensus what we really came to is that in this in this era of trump where his playbook is to fight back and give no ground and you know denied deny that you know basically Cavanaugh was performing for an audience of one that being trump trump who you know even though the Senate has an advice and consent roll it was really up to trump to you he could pulled his nomination at any time and you know he really needed needed to kind of satisfy the president and the president's emo. Is You know quite different in fact you know it really got was communicated to cavenaugh that that the president was not pleased with Kavanagh's a performance on Fox because he felt it was too tepid and sort of didn't have enough fighting and indignation in him then so he certainly made up for it in his final day of testimony I get that and he came out swinging Lindsey Graham came out swinging and it looked definitely was a trump performance. The denied denied did I did I N attack and it worked but one thing he said that you know the one of the most cool lines of his whole aria of the jury and hysteria one thing he said that I thought trump wouldn't have liked was his sort of hymns to beer. You know trump prides himself. He's had an alcoholic brother died right prides himself on not during non drinking and I mean I guess the beer was an effort to make cavenaugh seem like an every man in be beer in particular but also Virginia to be accurate at least like you know we know that he drank a lot right. Yes if he's trying to be someone who'd actually doesn't technically Lee lie then saying I had some times I had too many beers covers that ground even though it you know our reporting shows it understates it right I mean that was a key concession. It was very lawyerly and it didn't elaborate on whatever he may have done when he was drinking or how much he drank or how regularly but it wasn't acknowledgement sometimes James I had too many beers and in doing so he's saying it's true that there were times that I was under the influence and perhaps too much so so but he says no more than that right. He didn't blackout and he didn't he said not right but then again you know that's the whole question of. How do you know you in blackout? If if you were blacked out you you wouldn't remember but you could tell that that was a hot button because those were some of the most venomous moments of that September twenty seventh hearing that was full of venom but there was an interaction with Sheldon Whitehouse over various civic. Yes there was an interaction with Rachel Mitchell where he kind of seemed to almost be scoffing like he thought it was almost a ridiculous dickey's questions she was asking things like did you ever wake up somewhere other than when you lay down and went to sleep Brunen you ever wake up in different clothes and he seemed to find the question ridiculous and original Mitchell was the prosecutor. I'm sorry she was the person who was asking questions on behalf of the Republicans for part of the day until they took back over and then there was is the infamous exchange with Amy Klobuchar where she asked if he had ever blacked out and he got really angry and said you know I like beer. Do you like beer have you and that became became sort of kind of the apex of the hostility if you will. I'm glad you got to Senator Klobuchar because she has written about her alcoholic father. I think think of eventually got sober yeah. She talked about that at the hearing that she talked about that at the hearing and you know I it is interesting because you know the rule of I that alcoholism is self diagnosed but you know anyone who looked at that. I mean I think just he looked like an alcoholic. A key sounded like an alcoholic. Even the denial sounded like it if someone's caught drunk driving even if it just happens to be the one time that they had now four beers instead of their usual to you usually can infer that something's going wrong. It's like a spot test right. Do you advise US anything adds to our understanding tending to think of him as someone who's a problem drinker. That's a really interesting question and you make a very good point about how alcoholism is self diagnosed and I certainly don't think he considers himself. Alcoholic Golic not that I have asked that question or heard it asked directly but based on everything he said that does not seem to be his stance so this is a purely purely theoretical conversation here but my sense is that alcoholism is a progressive disease many gets much worse and worse as the the alcoholic goes on so while you have what appears to have been binge drinking at a point earlier in Kavanagh's life and we write a lot about the presence presence of alcohol and its impact based on people who knew him back in high school and college in Kavanagh's life it's not an uncommon thing at that age a a Lotta people over drank at that age or use drugs and I'm not saying that he used drugs but many people do and it's time of experimentation and pushing boundaries. That's nothing in new it's going on today. Some people think it's actually even worse on campuses at least in college now than it was in his day so that's all kind of a piece with American evolution of young people yet and later on he's seems to be an extremely hard working and accomplished a person who has positions of power in the White House on the independent counsel's team he does stints as a partner at a major law firm and then of course he becomes circuit good court Judge for twelve years in a Supreme Court Justice Cavenaugh as an adult has been a highly functional hard working family man who has a lot of things he does with his time in addition to being a judge coaching basketball participating in professional events having a social life with friends. He's run marathons marathons. He does mentoring he does all of these things although he still does drink and he talked about that and we know that from our reporting it would seem team that whatever his drinking was back in the day it's very different and certainly much more manageable than it was then now yes I mean if if he had acknowledged that he had a problem with drinking and stopped drinking or at least had a moment in his life like George W Bush or or you know maybe Obama when he put down something he might be able to say right that happened. This high school thing happened before I kind of grew up and understood the La- world a a little better and change my ways and that might have made sense but instead because the through line of I like beer is still there for him. He can't disavow the other thing or he can't he can't he must disavow the other thing because he hasn't changed. I mean that's what seemed to be the problem. I did kind of feel for him that he who is really locked in this commitment to not acknowledging his humanity you know that not acknowledging that he was like most of us a Klutz Klutz with the opposite sex at that age and put drinking on top of that and a culture of beach week or whatever the fact that he couldn't acknowledge that is what convicted acted him in my mind so I think you raise a really important point and it's a story of our times the fact that it's really hard to admit being a human being right now so in this moment in Life Robin I have wrestled with this and written about and we've talked about it a lot. You have a series of cross-currents here. You have the metoo movement which which at the time that we're writing about talking about was a year-old. It's now two years old. That's obviously been a very powerful movement. That's been a Cathartic for many women and and also some men but there's also a backlash to it where people feel like innocuous experiences and touches and comments are now being weaponized is against other people. You've got the trump administration which is one of fight fight fight and when it comes to issues of allegations of sexual harassment deny deny deny and you had a president who wanted to see justice cavenaugh fight back and take a much more aggressive stance than he did in the Fox News interview where he seemed cool calm steady and kind of emphasized his virginity during high school and into college and his desire for for a fair hearing as opposed to strongly worded denials. You've got the partisanship and politicization in the country that seems to be pretty bad right now you've got got these cultural differences between the red and blue states and those on both sides of the abortion debate or the gun debate and many other debates and and you've got social media where you can say sort of any horrible thing about anyone and it seems to be acceptable so all of this comes together in the cavenaugh confirmation Yup. There seems to be no room for Justice Cavenaugh to say I'm a human being there were points when I drank too much and and if I ever heard somebody along the way I'm terribly sorry as Sheldon Whitehouse pointed out it does go to the fact that he can't technology out of blackout the fact that he can't acknowledge that some of the code that he used with his friends described more raucous behavior than he pretended pretended it did or probably defy the trump probably referred to those kind of behaviors made it seem like it just seemed like he was being dishonest with himself and awesome wasn't acknowledging for fear of you know calling himself an you know hell bound demon child who needed to be an extra schism. He wouldn't even acknowledge that he'd ever slipped up and that was I think really maddening to watch I mean he he certainly countered. I heard a lot of the questions he was getting with. You know I worked my ass off my off went to great schools you know as if one thing answered the other but I think actually do conclude in our book. This is ultimately a very human narrative. where there's is a flawed person who basically couldn't admit to that to that imperfection to be buried just put yourself in what may have been his shoes for a moment and I say may have because of course we're not in his head. We have no no I dea what he does. Remember if anything and what he's thinking but based on our reporting and what we do know. Let's imagine that you are in his shoes and you truly. I really don't remember the forward scenario. You don't remember it you. Maybe remember her vaguely. Maybe not you certainly remember your friends mark and pj a and you certainly remember the heavy drinking in high school but you don't remember this thing and you have reason to believe it never happened how shocking to learn about this publicly when you're this close to getting your dream job and you're aware of all the cross currents that we've talked about in this conversation yeah and all the lack of margin for being a human being an admitting any frailty it. It's a terrible terrible conundrum and yeah yeah I mean I love this thing that they're admitting any frailty is just disallowed right now. There's just no room to maneuver when everything seems so binary that's right drive a truck through it. You can drive a truck exactly you're either a monster or total victim. Cabinet cavenaugh talked about the binary nature of the position that he was in at the hearing. I mean he was saying because of you. I guess meaning the Democrats I may never be able to teach law again. I may never be able to coach basketball again. Etc Etcetera and and are thought is there's something to that I mean he was sort of either on a trajectory to be on the Supreme Court and be able to continue doing all the things he was doing wing because it would have been accepted that either this didn't happen at all or there was not enough evidence to prove that it happened therefore we can't assume that it did happen and therefore he's confirmed or the opposite you know there's a belief that these things did happened and he may have lost all the positions that he did have again because of this lack of tolerance for human frailty or any sort of idea for forgiveness reckoning this kind of interesting notion of duty the of repair which is something I read about from a an author named Sarah Schulman during this process what's duty of repair. She talks about in this book called conflict. Conflict is not abuse which is in itself is sort of a controversial sentiment but an interesting one the idea that we have gotten into this sort of cancel culture and when we have conflicts with other people there's a tendency now to shun them ostracize them brand name Aligarh or a freak or whatever ever rather than engaging with the conflict that has arisen and try to resolve it right yeah and this is the whole the whole like everyone's ex wife or husband even was an irredeemable narcissist with you know psychosis rising or whatever the giant needs to be damned rail instead of someone you had human when conflicts with that is extremely interesting. Robin Pogrebin is a reporter on the New York Times Culture Desk. She covers the art world and cultural institutions exploring internal politics politics at some of these organizations Kate Kelly is also reporter for the New York Times. She covers Wall Street. There Co written book is called the education of Brett Cavanaugh Cavanaugh. 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Ep.130 | Michael Knowles and Elisha Krauss Sound Off on the Term "Latinx"

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Ep.130 | Michael Knowles and Elisha Krauss Sound Off on the Term "Latinx"

"In the blaze radio network. On demand. This is the news and why? Why? Why? Why it matters. Hey, I'm Sarah Gonzales. Welcome to the news and why it matters still in lovely, California at the daily wire h. q. and we loved Michael and Lisa so much. We wanted to have you guys back off one more. One more far did week in California. You just like having Michael back because he's like a mini. You. Likes. Finally, having more estrogen, s? I? It's amazing. It just brings a totally different vibe. Actually what it is, you know you're tasked a year at author, your bestselling author. So we authors Jake's right? That's right. That's true. Did it take you to write that? Well, it took me my whole life to research it. It took me my whole life, the writing sort of flowed out of me right well as to think clearly. That's why it's so hard people don't know what your book is. Number one international bestseller reasons to vote for Democrats a comprehensive guide. The it's substantial. It's about two hundred sixty five two hundred seventy pages full bibliography dedicated as through cities to become a work of all time and. And those guy. There were no words on the pages on the well. No, there was a cover you. So the pages there were no the bibliography and then that's right. Yeah. Which chapter did you have a question about. I think I got all I think was brilliant. All right, Glenn, what's your top story? Top story for me is the lies that we tell ourselves on the violence of America. All right, Michael, my top story is that white liberals in America have are now castrating the Spanish language. They've added a new word to marry him Webster lettings, no Latino Latina. The new word we have to have lettings I can. We stop. With the newer more derogatory, it's let take tunnel sees a nice little thing. I like to keep things fun on a Friday. I'm gonna talk about it. I wanna talk about cheeks and fun. I don't disturbing stop saying it. Battery, say. Over. Back spend memory LeBron James is coming to Hollywood. All right, not just the Lakers apparently he's going to be taking over Hollywood and I wish Stu was here for that one because as we all know, he loves LeBron James. Yeah, he does not before we get into that one. Thank our sponsor. I target pro. We were just talking about this yesterday explaining to them how it works, but Glenn has it. I'm still waiting. I target pro. I really need to use this because order right here at the bottom of the screen. You are pro right there, and right now you're gonna save ten percent, but you have to use the model code news. I target pro dot com. Okay. But seriously, I never have time to go out to the range. It gets expensive. I think I am. You know what? I have a funny story and then I'll funny starts hold on someone when I was I was going to get my concealed carry and I was getting tips. And someone said, you gotta do the test where you see if you're left or right eye dominant and somehow I did that test wrong. And for the longest time I was terrible. Like I was not even close to like, why am I so bad? And my dad was like, Sarah, I don't really know what else to tell you. I said, hold on a second. Let me just try something and I switched to the other. I and I was immediately great. I had that experience with my son-in-law. Yeah, and Nope. It doesn't matter which I. Anyway, I target pro. It's a, it's a little laser, a laser bullet, and you can't see the laser. So you have to use the sites, but you can use it in your own home, living room, dry firing is the most important thing because it is he'll change the way you shoot if you long pole. Yeah. Shelter practice Kennedy's way longer than you think it's going to. Practiced on different types of weapons that you own? Yes, yeah. Your specific? Yeah. Your specific weapons solo slick. You're from California. This numerous right? So both save ten percent with promo code news at I target pro dot com. Glenn top your top story. Oh yes. So my top story is Malaya's Ryan. The lies that we tell ourselves about crime and being safe here in America. Everybody, you know, I said to my wife the other day because I had read the coddling of the American mind, Jonathan height. It's fantastic and his his recommendations at the end or the best, but your kid on a bike and tell them to fried their bike to school as early as possible. And and I love that and it's it's just the common sense things. So I talked to my wife and I said, you know, these, some of the suggestions, you know. And I remember when it'd be in seven years old, I was like nineteen thirty four th eighteen. And and my mom just giving me, you know, money for gallon of milk and saying, go up the store and get a gallon of milk. And that was like two blocks away. I think I may have been six. I couldn't have been older than seven and and nobody thought twice of it now it's crazy. And so I'm talking to my wife and she said, I just, I don't, you know, like his twenty-five Honey. They can go get the milk. And she said, you know, kidnapping and all this stuff. And I said, it's not true and even showing all the statistics, you don't believe the statistics. Well, here the new statistics crime is now down again in the year of the gun crime is down eight percent, eight percent at the same time. Great Britain. Crime has gone up was a twenty two percent and knife crime up. Eleven percent now twenty to increase in knife crime and eleven percent rise in gun crime. They don't have guns. Apparently they saw the stupid stupid BBC show. I've tried to remember what it is. It's this police show, and I don't know. I kind of like I like watching police shows from different countries because then I could go that countries riddled with cry to do. Is to do with us in Britain, please don't commit that crime, please. So so they have this. They're trying to catch the serial killer. Okay. And he's like torturing young girls and killing them and they've got him in, they know they can see him walking back and forth, and they can hear the whimpering of girl. Okay in there and they come down the stairs, and he's behind this door. And one of them says, you know, Peter. And he's like, all right folks. And he goes in right before he kicks down the door, the other officer and him they both. Pull out their flashlight. Swear to God, they pulled out a flashlight and a blind. Then they're heavy. That's what they did, what they did, he came in. Yeah, he came with a machete, you know, and knife crime, the knife crime. Right? So he comes out with a machete and they both have their flex. Let's nude hippy hippy in America. The show ends quickly. Dead. They don't even have to open the door. You really don't need the court case. You don't eat anything. He's got a machete. There's a girl boob, no questions that things are going to change culturally even though the statistics are very plainly obvious. I'm definitely a person that I just like, show me the facts. Maybe that's why I'm your daily wear. I don't know why, but there's an element of I've been mommy shamed before for doing basic things like nursing. My youngest on a park bench and watching my five and nine year old play at the at the slide ten feet away like an or, you know, Hebei watched the kid. I'm running to the ladies room and then the husband. Let's go watch the airplanes at DFW airport, and old lady comes over and says, he's that your child, she's being, you know, she's unaccounted for and it's so I think that I can try to get your wife on board with the, you know, not being a helicopter parent because statistically also, I think it does so much, especially for young girls to be people to experience the independence. Of being able to do their own thing and the self confidence and the smarts to figure out their way with other people in certain situations, while you're observing while you're treating them and teaching them what they need to know. But it's culturally, especially dear Lord. Here in LA you have like a citizen. Behind every corner, like calling child control on you, though. Though they're only doing that it in in places until it gets insane. And then they stop. One of the reasons why I moved from Manhattan is we lived in Manhattan and I thought it was crazy. 'cause I'm right in the center of everything in the universe, and I've got, you know, I go in here and there in the houses right round the corner. And so you could do so much my life hated it. If she's like there's no place to play that was like, see that right. In the center of the central part. And she said, you take them to central park, and hence those aturday was coming and I'm like, I will this. We moved shortly after. Here's why we I went to central park. I had the kids. There were very young at the time, you know, five and seven, maybe and. I take him to central park and all these kids are playing and as I'm standing there, all the parents are standing around and I see under the monkey bars, these three girls, and they're probably six or seven, and I'm watching them and I'm watching my kids is they're playing real close. And these girls start calling the other other friends over and then they dropped their pants and they crap on p. crap under the monkey bars, and they're encouraging the other kids to crap under the monkey bars. And I, I'm standing there and I'm seeing this. And then I look like the parent, the parent as most Dinkins aero. You know, we're, which, which one are you and the parent next to me who was talking to the other parent of one of the kids, they just looked and they said, she's Susan old. You don't do that all the time. I said, kids come on, we're going back to the apartment and we're calling you hope going to Texas that that I'm not surprised having lived in New York. A lot of my life, it's get married to Blasi was returning everyone to doing that now. But when you look there, there's another interesting statistic here. The crime, violent crime is down since ninety three tremendously, and yet public opinion polls. Find people constantly think crime has increased year over year increase. Yeah, yeah. I thought I seven news cycle anyone is it is it also to do with all of the politicians that want to convince us we need them? That's right. But there there's a real irony I find when you look at those crimes, decreasing that we're constantly being told, we need to let criminals out of prison. We're constantly be it was like the FOX Butterfield. I haven't. Yeah. Do you remember the crime rate continues to decrease despite prisons filling. Maybe maybe those have something to do with one another. Maybe that isn't a contradiction. It's interesting for me Alicia you are probably a much more hands off mom than I am and I try really. It's a conscious decision that I have to make because I know these statistics. I mean, I work in this industry. We talk about it on the show and yet the thought of sending my son outside to play by himself, still terrifies me. But I think that it's more of a, what if I am that statistic only because we hear about the bat and we don't hear about the good. So while I know that it's still statistically speaking, it's it's much less likely to happen to me. I, that's all that I see in the news and that's all that I see when I look anywhere. And so I worry that I don't want to be. That's still does that make sense? Joy. You know, and I don't wanna get into here again, but on my broadcast on September tenth this year I talked about my son who was. In my home. Approached if you will, by a pedophile. Online and only by the grace of God did we catch it and and only because you know the security, we have the wear and my wife being very attentive and found out about it at two o'clock in the morning, and I will tell you, you know, I have literally a million dollars of security men in my house lip. The police call my house, the compound. I have servers upstairs with all kinds of stuff on him, and that can happen to me. Right, biggest dangerous, not in the street. The biggest dangerous online. That's right. All right. So Glenn, I know that you have to run to a meeting, so you're not joining us, but before you go, yes, you go. We wanted to highlight just going to give me a cake. Now I don't have a cake for you know, but we k- we kale salad for the event. We are in. To highlight some of your finer moments in California watch, they remain puppy, sits. Puck pits, and they do not have sexual orientation. I actually found a video of someone else of notoriety who was making the racist sign, let's watch. Oh, it's so bad here. Nobody can afford anything because of capitalism. You're going wear. There's one point I'm talking about, you know, leader hosing in singing, ADL vice, and I said, so you know, I dress up, you know, an leader hose in, and I think a. Which makes it kind of humorous, the producers, New York. Can you do that again and not seeing no medicine. California's medical. I'm going to get this back on the plane. I believe the person who was threatening you with that was Anthony Weiner. Right? And I was like, oh, yeah. Leash meet on the Weiner. There's a woman who's come out on Santa don't know. Yeah. When Santa was in high school, I don't know. Yeah. What did he raped her full. Right, right. Well, he was young. He was athletic, you know, he was, you know, oh, this is before he started to drink and get fat. I swear to you. I swear to you. Dolly was raped by that fat man. And I know because I'm Charlie in the Bogra. We are too stupid to run a country. We really, we should. We should just give up. We really should. We really should you know what America put tools down. I think we're done as a country just just walk away. I don't know if you're working, the band saw you probably shouldn't be working that just put the tools down. Turn off the machine. Let's go home. Linpac is coming line to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way he might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing, Glenn Beck live the addicted to outreach toured on tour this fall. Got a lot more to get into. But before we do that, want to thank our sponsor mercury real estate, Glenn actually founded mercury real estate with real estate agents. I trust dot com because he found that they were working with their realtor and they weren't really getting what they wanted. So we talk a lot about, you know, I thought to myself, okay, I'm buying a home. It's the biggest investment I'm ever going to make. And I mean, I've done this before and I for the life of me, cannot remember my realtors name. You you use realtors, you've see realtors on like bus stops, right? And you sit on them. And, but you have no idea. There's all these realtors. You could just go take a phone book and me in the ages. Yeah, and pick one, let's say send you junk mail the time. Yes, it's so annoying. So this way, Glenn actually has a team and they, they fully vet all of these realtors, they hand pick them. They're all people who do this fulltime. It's not just like, oh, my sister's cousins. Husbands is on actually does that on the side. So you should contact that out here in LA. I can't tell you how many realtor actor writer producer. I know they're all out of those because they all want the Bravo show. That's why they have the agent on their name, but so yeah, so they're fully vetted and their listeners at the show. So they share your values. You can go to real estate agents. I trust dot com. Find you hear realtor today. All right. Do we have to get into the we have to get into this. This is very important. We'll really serious culture now, and that's why we have. Added a word to the dictionary, merriam Webster added a word it used to be for Hispanic people you'd say you're a Latina. I, if I swore the enough, I could be Latino, no, no, more no more because that's sexist. Do the new word is lat tinker with an x? And this is funny for a few reasons. One, the Spanish language is gendered. It is a gender thing. I on it their whole thing, but the other one is it's all of these social Justice warriors pushing Latin lettings. And yet by inserting this Americanized anglicized word, this is cultural imperialism. We are reconquering these people yet. Again, it is a total. Talk say on, so you're not allowed to. That's right. No, you're sorry, you're primitive little language. No, no, no, sir. It's letting it also sounds so hideous someone called me Al tanks. He's getting. He's cruising for a bruising, your sister, letting, oh, don't train. That's like, if somebody said that, no, I'd be like, excuse you, but it is. It is this quest. I mean, it's it's such a stupid word, but it is this question this culture to completely obliterate gender differences. We've now been told sexual differences, nothing to do with marriage sexual differences. Nothing to do with jobs that you can do even combat even being a fireman changes, sexual differences, nothing to do with a you know whether or not you can have a child. That's right. Oh, yeah. Last I checked even if you have a member that you weren't born with the inside still count. That's right. But it's a bizarre thing in a culture where all we care about is sex. I mean everyone's just talking about sex all the time, transgender bathrooms, this, and that. So we're told on the one hand, six is the big difference that matters. You should mutilate yourself if you feel like a different sex. And then on the other hand, all the sexes or the same, we're equally pretty, aren't we? The three of us were all I'm a beautiful, beautiful young woman or not. Have seen you cross dress. It's true. Many times story really urban numerous times that my daughters have come to see us here at the daily wire headquarters because we have an open door policy to cross house children, and there have been costumes or dresses motive to on Elizabeth Warren on occasion here and make up Oklahoma's five year old bed. Oh, there's another kid here the other little girl, mommy because it will wanna costume was hanging man finds every excuse possible to dress up like a woman. I okay. But on, especially if it's a Disney Princess on a more serious note speaking of that exposing children to that and and whatnot. I think I told you this off air that at my child's elementary school that I just it tore me up inside that I was going to have to send him to public school just with my schedule, and I was like, it doesn't make sense to pay that much money to send him to private first grade. There are two children at his elementary. School who apparently are males dressing as females. This is trial to elementary school. It absolutely is child abuse, it's amazing. We got rid of custody. The singer is, you know, who'd be castrated and when they were little kids, we got rid of that one hundred years ago because it's it's wrong and immoral and abusive to kids. And now we're bringing it back. They are shooting kids with hormones to prevent puberty. They're encouraging these sorts of delusions. When I was four years old, I went around my birthday party as Batman. I had the Cape, I was fighting crime. People people indulge this for my birthday. They didn't indulge this at the elementary schools is this really does constitute child abuse really dangerous because where does it stop? And I think I think the thing that bothers me the most is you're literally shooting in potentially dangerous levels of hormones into prepubertal boys and girls. To me, it seems to go against everything that the Hippocratic oath Sammy and right because we don't know the long term repercussions of that, but we do know, unfortunately, we do know that that one into transgender high school students attempts. Yes, absolutely. That doesn't have to be long term. That's studies that we're seeing right now and that to me one into a heck one in one hundred is something that the scientific community in the medical community needs to take a pause. Yeah, step back and say, what really needs to be done here and what is the root cause of this issue? And I mean, aside from that, you know what the hormones can do to your body. Just putting them in your body at such a young age seen. We've even seen studies that have come out that are showing that there's higher suicidal rates higher. Like breast cancer risk with hormonal birth control that's typically taken by girls in the United States, depending on their situation from the ages of fifteen and up and just take it as a recreational drug. You do. So what would you say to your daughter? Let's say if she came home. Right, and your middle daughter is how old? Five. Okay. So she comes in and says, she goes to a Catholic school. So this is not a problem though. Right? Okay, school. We are not here in a better position than I. Michael to recruit her to the Catholicism. I'll all of us actually. But let's say that it happened at a playground, you know? And she starts asking questions because I find myself trying to figure out what of these as he's going to ask me what's going on. And I honestly don't know what the right answer is to tell him. I think the biggest thing is it has to like with faith, right? I'm gonna talk to her about Catholicism and how we can respect it as a religion in view. Those classes kind of world history of sorts. Yeah. Yeah, detailed questions about, well, why don't we believe in the pope? I can delve into that. And I think the big thing with a five year old is you have to talk to them at that level telling trying to five year old about somebody that's in the process of changing genders is going to be very different than speaking to a fifteen year old amount it. And I think the biggest thing that has helped me in some situations because at her previous preschool, there were a couple of little boys that would often come dressed in girl Disney, Princess attire, and their mother did have a Hillary sticker still on Humphries. And it was well, why did they dress like that? Boys aren't supposed to dress like that five year olds know innately know. That's a boy. That's a girl. This is how boys and girls dress, and I just say, well, some people don't believe in and live their life the way that mommy and daddy do absolutely good answer. All right. Back into minute. Up next enjoy bonus overtime content from the news in wide matters available exclusively for podcast. Listeners and blaze premium subscribers become a premium subscriber had the blaze dot com slash subscribe. Stupor gear, you're missing a LeBron James topic. But before we get into that one, I think our sponsor Minnesota. Minnesota has so many amazing. They've got the wild rice flour. They've got the polenta the wild rice polenta, which is awesome. And the great thing that I love about minute souljah is that I, they came in the studio awhile back and they made us all these delicious things. They made a ton of waffles and so they've got the, they've got savory waffles and then they've got the sweeter waffles course. Yeah, and they're both great, but they made these chocolate waffles that I'm sure you can appreciate this as a mother not to be sexist or anything. We don't know that I'm not a mother. But as a mother, you know. So I brought these chocolate waffles home. I saw the ingredients it was made with the wild rice flour and it was very, very low in sugar, but it did have chocolate in it and my son just literally inhaled them. I gave it to him and I turned around and I turn back and was like, where did the waffle go? So if you can find a product like that that you know it with the protein. Good. Yes, really helpful from the wild rice flour. So if you can find a product like that, that it tastes good and you can feel good about giving it to your kids. It's like sold. So right now, ten percent of the proceeds that you purchase. 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Well, now not only does he want to act more in films because he's had a couple, you know, bit parts in rom calms he's saying that he wants to like be acting and directing and producing. And yesterday we all found out and Twitter was aflutter because they're going to be remaking childhood faith of mine Space Jam. Oh, that's a childhood. A match made in heaven. Oh, it's a good time to because every other executive in Hollywood is now in prison. So now. LeBron again, good family man seems to be right. So you certainly know enough about sports to know that there's always the comparison between him and Michael Jordan, and I'm like, man, he just wants to dominate everything. He's got the fashion line. He's got the acting hasn't tried baseball. Them made that switch. But now he's legitimately trying to play Michael Jordan in a remake of the original. I'm skeptical of how it will go. They've apparently hired the director that directed Marvel's Black Panther, which I was offended the movie. So it's it's going to be interesting, especially because he's taking numerous kind of areas by storm, obviously dominated in sports. I think he's been. He'd be interested in politics in a way. I feel like he's kind of paving the way for himself and now the entertainment world will if Kobe Bryant can win an Academy Award, then I guess LeBron could do perfectly well in show bizz. Did you see Kobe won an Academy Award last year. I saw him perform his poem that he won the Academy Award for. I saw him do it live at the Hollywood bowl. A seventh grader writing. I mean, I'm not. I don't wanna be too mean to co, the poems that was like deer basketball. I really like you basketball, love Kobe, and you think like, all right. Well, I don't know LeBron is going to be an echo. Yeah, he's he's going to be Orson Welles compared to that, you know? Oh, my gosh. Well. We'll see. Okay. Did you like Space Jam. Oh yes. I love Space Jam, and you know, have you ever gone to the Space Jam website now, this Space Jam website is a hidden gem of the internet because they never updated it. So on the Warner Brothers, it's still the same website from the nineties little gifts and, oh, it's great, not change that LeBron does the remains right before we move on. I just have to say, I'm going to have that song stuck in my head literally all day. Now. Oh my God. All right. I wanted to get your take on this. An intersex person sued the Trump administration because passport's only allow male and female on the application. And this intersex person said, I don't. I'm neither male nor female, and I believe that it, you know, this is not fair for me and the judge ruled on it. Do either of you wanna guess on what the judge Moore can we have more clues like which state. if not in here, I have a guess. I have a guess are we now going to have fifty seven options on our passports is that we're seven hundred options appears. That's where we're headed. Now, you're we peers. That's where we're headed. The ninth circuit. I know it was not. I don't think, but so yes. So the judge actually ruled the in favor of this intersex person sham, you know and said that it was it was unfair because. Scientifically, you know this, this person is saying that they are not male or female, and they would actually be lying on their passport if they had to pick one. So as the person on this panel who is the man that most resembles Rachel Maddow, I feel that I have some expertise in thority to speak here. It is true, so we should be clear to there are people who are transgender. And that means they have a psychological disorder where they think that they're a different sex. And then there are people who are intersex or Mafrij attic where it's just a little unclear, it's unclear as a matter of chromosomes or genitalia or whatever. That appears to be this person. So fair enough that he isn't clearly male or female, but he isn't something other than male or female. Those are the ingredients. Yeah, right. I my heritage is Sicilian and English and Irish. That doesn't mean that there is a separate race of people that is the combination of Sicilian in English and Irish. I'm just kind of in the middle and it's a little ambiguous. I don't know what I put on my passport. What should I? You know, put on American. I guess that it is true that there are a handful of people with this condition and exceptions could be made for those handful of people just pick a lane. What does it matter? Why not just put on your passport? Okay. I'm a male or female and go on living your life to say it's it would be a lie if they were to pick one is I mean to me, that's a giant stretch, but that's where we are because it's about how you feel about who you are and what is your truth? Yeah. Cavanaugh Cavanaugh. Yes. So apparently there was a, there's a clerk who says that he knows how to pick those. Oh yes. This was female clerk. Yale Law student and writing anonymously in the Huffington Post said that she went in for an interview with the with cavenaugh and she was told that he picks girls who look like a certain type, or she noticed that. And then maybe she just wasn't that smart. I could've been, but in her encounter with cavenaugh which she left. This is the big bombshell is that he was perfectly appropriate and professional incorrigible. So why king the nerd cavenaugh still very unimpeachably cordial. Yeah. It's three of the week that was how his wife has actually been hanging out and cupcakes to reporters and protesters on their fronts. Isn't that sweet. You don't know what what's in that would not be most cupcakes. I, I saw that and I was like, she's a better woman than me because treating my husband like that. Oh, oh, man, it is hysterical these speaking of this year law student who maybe I know, I don't know. I was I was there around the time that this anonymous interesting date her. Well, I hope not. Otherwise, they're coming for me. Next the the line in here is that all of these other Yale Law students have signed a petition about wreck having they said if Brett Cavanaugh is put on the court, women will die. The obvious connection there. This really said yellow is supposed to be the best law school in the country and that kind of hysteria, you know these mainstream outlets even Huffington Post Washington Post New York Times. They're supposed to be serious places of journalism running anonymous insinuation nonsense. It's pathetic, meanwhile. So we're talking about Brett cavenaugh too. Squeaky est cleanest guy probably walking around this continent. Meanwhile, the economy has record highs. Meanwhile, joblessness hits record lows. Everything is going so incredibly well that the Democrats to derail this confirmation hearing have to literally invent a problem. They have to create a total fiction and then publish it to try to derail it and speaking on, I think we have a Trump tweets, I believe if we don't. But he said he said Thursday's claims report. He's he spoke about Thursday's claims report, but it showed that the number of people receiving benefits jobless claims. It hit a forty nine year low. That's but did you? I don't think he probably wasn't papers more unless you were paying attention to Trump's Twitter, which I will say a lot of PTO do pay attention or Michael knol show. A lot of people do pay attention to Trump's Twitter. However, you know, it's interesting to me that all of this, all of these these statistics that show that the economy is doing really well. I don't see that CNN. I don't see that people receiving the number of people receiving benefits after an initial week of aid fell fifty. Five thousand two one point six, four, five million for the week ended September tenth, the lowest level since August nineteen, seventy three. While I mean come on, that's not your leading headline. You're leading headline is, will the cavenaugh accuser has this friend who said this thing, but then she said, maybe not. And she wants to testify, but only if you meet really subjective conditions and please don't talk about the economy, please don't know. The midterms are coming up. It is really pathetic, but I gotta tell you something in all of this cavenaugh stuff. Typically, Donald Trump would just be on Twitter. This isn't fair. Trap shut us handling this. So sm- God thing I, it shows it shows that he's learned something apparently, but it also shows maybe they've got something up their sleeves and Wieland has been writing about this. He's a lot of Kavanagh insiders, rich Lowry of said, you know, just wait until next week. What else are the Democrats going to do? They've got the squeaky as totally qualified guy. They had no political issue to run on meta single one, so they've got to create something out of this. But I think they've probably overplayed their hand, I guess we'll see next week. All right. Get your popcorn renting. Thank you guys so much for having a second right. Spend amazing. I'm kinda sad to leave, but also not. No, I heard back for a visit in Texas. They let you have the guns and not pay any taxes, so I'll just follow you down there. We'll see you next week. Okay, great. Sean, moving to the blaze. See you guys Monday. 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Ugly Charges Resurface (Ep 1067)

The Dan Bongino Show

56:00 min | 1 year ago

Ugly Charges Resurface (Ep 1067)

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Renewed attacks off aww all people. You thought you heard the end of it. You have not Brett Cavanaugh. Yes the Cavanaugh Conspiracy Theory Start Again Ladies and gentlemen sadly it was a stack news weekend. Welcome to the Dan Bongino show. I'd welcome producer Joe but I gave him the Monday off. Today's doing some behind the scenes production stuff didn't WanNa overwhelm at work and just an FYI for a regular. We Love You A. Really appreciate your loyalty to show. We have a bit of a screwy recording schedule this week so the report drops we'll get to that. Don't worry we're going to have you covered either way but I've got a surprise announcement. I'll make at the end of the week or so some good news. It's nothing over one but you want to stay tuned for it but it's kind of tinkering with our recording schedule. Let's get right to it. got a stacked show for you today. Today's show brought to you by our friends at Ali. 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I've got improvised the Joe Armacost Bell Story Number One Brad Kavanagh fake news and the New York Times Round six hundred seventy two million five five hundred twenty six thousand two hundred twenty four astonishingly the left and by the left. I mean the New York Times Washington Post the Democrats the liberals the activist groups and almost people out there will not let this story go now. There's a reason a lot of this Brad Kavanagh stuff at surfacing right now. Here's a story in the New York Times as we saw this weekend so you see what I'm getting but there's a thing going on behind the scenes about cavenaugh. I'll let you know in a second so here it is New York slimes break cavanaugh fit in with the privileged kids she did not of course we gotta do an identity politics thing throw that in here Deborah Ramirez Yale experience as much about the colleges efforts to diversify its student body in the nineteen eighties this. There's a new book coming out on Brad Kavanagh and there are some resurfaced allegations about cavanaugh and some trying to keep the show family friendly. Let's go sexual activities or that ladies and gentlemen. If if you're if you just take your Democrat blinders off for a minute you will see these are deeply deeply flawed charges at best now of course course New York Times is going to write the story from Deborah Ramirez a young minority woman and disadvantage and cavenaugh. That's because they don't really have any evidence not about making a case. The New York ORC Times is about slandering tarnishing the image of bread cabinet because they're they're liberal. Activists is what they do. It's not a serious journalism. Allah now what happened well in short a person surface then I'll get to him in in a minute and claim that well at the same university. I think there's a new allegation that Bradtha Cavanaugh Cavanaugh was at a party and folks. It's not just the charges orgy so ludicrous because I don't even understand how this happened the charges if this guy witnessed at a party bread Cavanaugh's thing downstairs give him saying that one of his true legs that he witnessed someone push. Brent Kavanagh's ause thing into someone else not like just I'm trying to be but uh we got to cover this story because it was the big news this weekend that someone witnessed someone. Push that item not into like you do but like touching someone else if you're if you're trying to imagine what I'm telling you. I don't get how this happened either if you watch it on Youtube I'm I don't know the mechanics of this exactly a a charge against cavenaugh amongst the litany of other charges that have been almost entirely discredited the issue with the Story Ladies and gentlemen about this guy who witnessed the other person do what I said and you'll probably trying to figure out what I don't know either the person that this allegedly happened to and had the thing pushed into has no memory of the incident role kind of an important component of the story policy that important part of the story. Thank you sake like producer. Mr Producer Rich Levin show. He doesn't even go over to the white person who this allegedly doesn't have any memory of the incident folks. When is it going to end. I'll get to what's really going on in a minute. Thank you national review as a great story along with Matt Palumbo on our website was another great story about the connections to the guy making the allegations but i John McCormack national review. Please read the show notes today. They're really good. I've I have matched a bunk. This story to in their master wrote Review The New York Times Anti Cavanaugh Bombshell is actually done ladies and gentlemen. There are two big problems with this. I The time story I'm going to go in reverse order they. They're trying to claim that the Ramirez story which is a different story that Cavanaugh having are exposed himself to this woman Deborah Ramirez that they're making it to an identity politics story national review points out kind of a big problem with the Ramirez Story to check this out again this. It never ends folks. This is about the new book writing all these allegations surface write the book isn't release until Tuesday but the excellent molly hemming hemingway by the way got a copy and she writes on twitter the booknotes quietly that the woman Max steer torstar. That's the guy alleging about the pushing of the thing into the person thing the booknotes quietly the woman Max tire name this having been supposedly victimized by cavenaugh aw and his friends denies any memory of the alleged event omitting this fact from the New York slimes story is one of the worst cases of journalistic malpractice this in recent memory folks listen virtue signaling by telling you and I hate that term and I really do because he can't say anything without someone claiming virtue Sigli something but I feel the need to throw the caveat in there obviously sexual assault substance not a joke. The problem is is being treated as a joke in a farce by people at the New York Times who are now adding to the stigma that sadly surround some victims of sexual assault or have a serious story. Take and sometimes may not be believed because of reporting like this you think it's an important fact to note that the person listen this. Guy Star oh by the way we have an interesting connection to him in the Clintons in our debunk this back style who who's been a noted rival Abrek cabinet for a long time and by the ways been curiously under spoken about this incident since he reported to the FBI during the background check. You think think it's important to note that the guy who reported this incident against this person that the person who had allegedly happened who has no memory of it folks what's happening to cavanaugh is a cosmic disgrace. I have not seen in my lifetime well. I shouldn't say that I remember it to Clarence Thomas and of course always led by horrible awful people who claim to be liberals. They're not liberal at all. Tyrants Paula Paula might try. Is this making sense this story. I don't have the audience on Budget Joe with me so I need your feedback. You get what I'm okay. There's another allegation in the story free from the National Review. Check this out. This is the Ramirez said I was going to do. What a bit backwards. Ramirez is a different story. There's been some allegation that cavanaugh exposed close himself there but the national review as interesting take on this too we already knew before cabinet was confirmed last October. The corroborating source for Ramirez claimed again. A different claim the one style or put out there. The new one that the source for Ramirez is claimed classmate Kennett apple was not present when the alleged incident occurred but apple told the New Yorker. He was one hundred percent sure he heard about it from an eyewitness. Shortly before Cavanaugh was confirmed the New Yorker reported that apple all supposed eyewitness said that he had no memory of the incident ladies and gentlemen. I'm telling you what's happening to this. Guy Is really unfathomable the moral stain on their country that we're allowing this to happen with our media and trump tweeted out at this weekend and I agree with him. Cavanaugh needs to start suing people. I know he wants to take the high road. He's a Supreme Court justice. I get it listen to me. This is he's never ever. GonNa stop so you understand the first story was made by a third party the first story talking about stars this Guy Star he's. He's not not the victim. He says he knows of a person who was a victim of capital but the victim has no memory of it then we have this woman Ramirez who says well he exposed himself. Here's my eye witness who says well. I wasn't an eyewitness but someone else told me about it and the person he says total about it says I have no memory of that at all ladies and gentlemen. This is real. This is real. This is really being reported. As Journalism Cavanaugh I agree with trump and his tweet needs to start suing immediately for millions billions of dollars life savings people and I get it. There's going to be liberals. Did these people are survivors. They shouldn't be sued know ladies and gentlemen. There are legitimate automated survivors of sexual assault that they're of a serious case to me. Unfortunately the evidence should drive the case everybody in the United States no matter how evil vol- the charge or allegation is is entitled to a presumption of guilt and due process. This is out of hand right now. You have an eyewitness who's not an eyewitness who says he heard it from an eyewitness witness who says he wasn't an eyewitness and then you have another case. A third party says it happened the guy seemingly disappears has connections to the Clinton atmosphere and then all of the Sunday shows up again leveling charges against capital about an incident that the victim of incidents says they have no memory of cavenaugh cavenaugh needs to start suing the living daylights out of everyone who does this. It's outrageous. You are destroying due process in this country and the credibility of legitimate survivors of sexual assault and people who have been sexually harassed and assaulted. You're destroying because you're not adhering to the standards of journalism. Your adhering to the tactics of the liberal activists crowd and it is deeply disturbing now i. I said I get this. What's really going on two things number one ladies and Gentlemen Donald Trump before the end of this term. There's a possibility don't read into this at all. I don't have any health records. I'm not a macabre guy. I don't wish ill health on anyone one you saying. I'm simply suggesting to you what I'm hearing from. Liberals not conservatives. There may be another seat that opens up up May. It's very likely they'll be another supreme court seat. It opens up. If Donald Trump is reelected follow me. There may be a seat even in this term again. I'm not giving I don't know if anybody's health records. I'm simply suggesting to you the obvious that there's a probability that could happen. The liberals Berle's are talking about this. They are terrified. Why are they terrified because right now they thought they'd lost through a conservative majority with the appointment of Cavenaugh. They thought there was going to be at least for the temporary of five four conservative majority because we have five alleged conservatives and for the liberals kind of SEGUES depar- to the Liberals have successfully frightened John Roberts into being the new swing phone. John Roberts is not really stuck to his guns and his principles on anything. He's no longer an originalist judge. He's become kind of an activist himself. Once in a while you get a decent rule out of adding ruling out of the chief chief justice who of course was appointed George W. Bush but he's become a big flop and he's really become a politician. He's easily influenced. He's frightened by the OP ED columns columns so the Liberals have chalk this up for victory and their biggest victory yet was the citizenship question. Remember this one remember the citizenship question. They wanted to put on the census. Liberal activist groups sued John Roberts came out and UNIM- unbelievably ruled now the trump team was perfectly within its rights to add to citizenship question we just I just don't like the reason no good the liberals. How did that happen. Now you regular listener to my show. Remember this story but don't forget this. Roberts was likely going to vote for the rule of law and allow the citizenship question. The liberal started writing op eds. They can frighten Roberts. He's not a very robust kind of like I don't want to. His skin is very thin. I'll get I'll leave it at that. They started riding up. It's if John Roberts rules against us in this citizenship case he'll read this credited forever and Roberts wants to go and eat and drink fine wines and eat flog raw the DC cocktail parties and he wants to be beloved by the left the the OP. Ed Columns frightened him. My point here is ties into number. One put these together Paula audience on Buds Manhat- stopped me if this doesn't make sense liberals no now that they don't have they haven't lost. They have a new Anthony Kennedy John Roberts so they know on the hotbed issues. They will win in the court system. They know another seat opens up. They're not going to get that with Alito. Thomas is the best one we've got. gorsuch solid cavanaugh wishy washy but generally pretty good. They know now that if they get another seat and it becomes six three that the intimidating John Roberts is not going to do them any good you get where I'm going with this you see where I'm going so now that they own Roberts through the op-ed columns. They're sending out flare. Shoot shoot flare. They're sending out a warning signal to Cavenaugh your next Brad. You want these charges. Just go away. You want these. I mean you want to talk about thin gruel. No evidence charges that continue to appear that I mean can you imagine Agean being on you have kids you go to church every weekend and you have to read in the paper about charges about you exposing yourself and your touching touching something and there's never an eyewitness and the eye witnesses at the eyewitness and the person. Who can you imagine this how embarrassing this is for this poor guy liberals are trying to do what they did to. Roberts in a more personal vitriolic malicious way they are trying to frighten Ayton cavanaugh into submission with a little. Hey daddy o you want this stuff to go away. You give us a few good rulings on our side. Maybe we'll let this go. Ladies and gentlemen do Footnote Rush Limbaugh. Thank you for this great expression. Do not doubt me and I'm sure rush would tell you the same thing that is exactly what's going on right now. That makes sense thank you you sure all right good. Now I know among all right. I got more news. Don't go anywhere. The I report has has been concluded that does not mean. It's going to be released anytime soon so everybody stand tight on how to get to that a second also. I don't want you to be misled by some of the news. You saw about Andy McCabe this weekend. The media's added again there. There's a reason they're doing what they're doing about the McCain story. Stay too and I got a lot more ahead today. 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The Inspector General Michael Horowitz has been assigned to investigate the abuse of the Fisa court suspend the trump in the report what is done but ladies and gentlemen that does not mean. We're going to see it anytime soon. I suspect we'll see it within a month to a few weeks. Possibly it doesn't mean it's going to drop today on Monday again. If it does don't worry due to the screwy recording schedules week I will get you with either special edition or immediately get on the mocking. Leave any of you behind this is important to maybe put got out of high quality show so here's the epoch times piece. It'd be in the show notes. Please check it out by Peter Straub. I G report on alleged. Spying abuse against trump. Campaign may still be months away. I'm not sure it's going to be months but here's what's going on behind. The scenes folks the. FBI and DOJ are now in the process of determining what in that report is going to be classified classified and declassified for consumption folks. I can guarantee you. This is going to be a battle. Y The answer's obvious. I don't need to spend a ton of time on this. You probably already figured it out the F. B. I do not trust Christopher. AM sorry the new director of the FBI. I don't know the man it's not personal. He probably dislikes me. 'cause I've spoken out against them in the past. It's not my job to be as buddy. It's my job to get you what I believe to be. The facts Christopher Ray has clearly been an opponent of disclosure and transparency and I believe the new director through the FBI is going to do every single thing in his power to make sure the FBI doesn't get a black guy in this report and they're going to try to redact as much as possible. Remember that story. We discussed a few weeks ago. NCIS report on the whistle blower where they redacted the word not remember that there was classified information when it was when it actually said that was not classified classify different and they redacted the word. This is the kind of stuff. We're going to be expecting now having said that to leave you some good news before. I move onto McCabe. I don't think bill bars. It's going to have that if it's a legitimate national security reason the burning of a source whatever it may be fine but bars going to scrutinize that I'm sure of it again. I don't trust anybody fully but I think bars done a decent job in his commitment to transparency far supersedes that of ray who had any commitment to transparency at all. He just wants to make the FBI look at that process is going to be a bit of a back and forth. I would expect a couple of weeks to a month but could be longer. It depends on what happens and I believe there may still be some information out there which as as people start to talk could open up some other opportunities. If you know what I mean Ari all right moving on this is an important story more news at broke this weekend and I just want you to be misled. I've got a ton of stories to get through today and tomorrow. I'm going to be packed. Shows luck on awesome economic stuff to what else he oh. No Oh the debate. I still got something debate. I missed so don't go anywhere. There's a media narrative out there this weekend on on Andy McCabe and the narrative out there. I want you to be sure you understand is being done again for reason. The media narrative is this. I Andrew McCabe lawyer believes Bromwich who was involved. I believe with the Blasi Ford case and Cavin intend to connect the two stories but this guy clearly has some allegiance to you left leaning causes. The lawyer put out a statement saying well. I thought we had a grand jury member. We covered this last week. A grand jury impaneled on on on McCabe. If there was no indictment then what my client what he didn't do anything so we should put it out. There was no indictment and we should all move on folks. This is such a you tracking me here. McCain's and listen McCain's got the constitutional right to a solid legal defense. I don't I'm not knocking his lawyer because he worked for liberals lawyers. Warriors can work for whoever they want. I mean even John Adams represented people who at the time others considered suspect one of our founding fathers. I'm not knocking talking this guy for getting an aggressive lawyer MC McCabe. I'm like I'm not a liberal. I'm a conservative. I'm not a tyrant. McCabe has the right of the presumption of innocence in a court of law at into a an astute smart vibrant legal defense but the lawyer's statement nonsensical the lawyer put out the statement McCabe. Listen you need to but out of state was no indictment you move on. He has no idea what's going on. Grand Jury Grand Juries the preceding secret. He doesn't know that Andy McCabe excuse me Andy. McCarthy has a complete dismantling of this must read Nassar of you are of this nonsense. Andy McCarthy was a lawyer himself. A skilled won a brilliant an analyst National Review getting a lot of work from US than why it's unlikely the McCabe Grand Jury voted against Indictment September fourteen two thousand nineteen Andrew McCarthy in in the show notes today. Remember the media's interested in getting this story out there in conjunction with McCabe's lawyer because McCabe is anti-trump doesn't like trump the media hates trump and they're not doing journalism so they're trying to put public pressure out there to speed up the Department of Justice to make this whole Indie McCabe thing go away because it's going to look bad for the anti-trump conspirators. Is that makes sense audio sound bondsman. You get it Jim paying attention me other. You're not right Jeff. You're not gonNa tell you not Zimmerman. She answers I nod when she doesn't I sit here and look confused so that's the story the Bromwich which and McCabe legal team they wanna make it appear that eighty McCabe did nothing wrong folks. This is nonsense. There are a couple of points in this McCarthy piece. I'm GonNa give you the inside baseball on what really happens with grand juries. Grand Juries are not juries. It is not a trial a grand jury is a secret quick proceeding that is not adversarial it is. I believe eighteen to twenty three members. You don't have to have any unanimity. The grand jury proceedings are secret. They are not open and the defense attorney does not get an opportunity to present this case. What am I trying to tell you. Mikheyev Story and his lawyer here that there was there was probably no indictment is if there was no they didn't seek nobody seeks in a in a federal court system and doesn't get it you ever hear the online you could indict a Ham Sandwich folks. It's true. I'm sorry but it's true. I've sat in Grand Juries as a federal agent and testified there. If you'd what's in if you don't get what they call a true bill or an indictment diamond venue you only need twelve grand jurors. You'll any twelve of the twenty three if you even have twenty three if you have a quorum and you get twelve you only need twelve of them if you can't get a true bill out of an indictment. I'm not kidding at any lawyer. Please email me if I'm wrong. Email me if I'm wrong with this. If you go to a grand jury and they don't give you a true. Bill Ladies and gentlemen you may be the worst attorney in the history of the legal profession freshen. I do not know of a case I worked. I worked about twenty to twenty five as an accessory and the case agent. I have heard of offices in of agents agents in my office and in the other. FBI Hoover I have never ever amongst all of my work with Da irs take whatever they were at the time customs and Border Protection. They were the customs and and ice was separate back then immigration. Grayson naturalisation service I have never heard ever in my life of a US attorney walking into a grand jury to get an indictment and not walking out with a true bill or an indictment Edmund on for ever you were. I can't even imagine the humiliation you would have to do the walk of shame on steroids down the the office. Everybody would close their door. You would books would be written about your incompetence. Ladies and gentlemen almost never happens now. I kind kinda hinted at why but I'll go to a couple of reasons. There's no double jeopardy in the grand jury you know with double jeopardy is for trial if you try and Paula for felonious and the degree and me and Paula win the case the government cannot bring that charge again for that crime. They can charge us for something separate. That's that's over. There is no double jeopardy. You do not get two bites at the apple at a trial ladies and gentlemen that does not apply a grand jury there you can go oh back as many times as you want and try to get that in. Deir is so this is why this story is so ridiculous not that there's been vigneault indictment that the jury would have turned down absurd attorney of just go back and ask the jury what they're missing remember. It's not a trial trial. The jury the grand jury's instructed you are not convicting this person. You are simply stating the evidence. I'm giving you remember. There's no offense attorney to refute the evidence there. It's all secret you are simply stated. There's no probable cause you just don't believe me and in the US attorney what what what problem did we have guys and it's really if the if the case is really faulty to grant baby the USA USA doesn't go back the attorney but they would've never brought it in the first place if it was that faulty so number one there's no double jeopardy you can keep biting at the apple number two again. There's no defense already talked about it number three. It doesn't have to be unanimous. You only need twelve twelve people at a twenty three. You can even have a few usually. They are unanimous by the way because there's no defense attorney you just walk in there and tell the story you. WanNa tell you can't lie obviously when you're a federal agent who this guy did it for this reason. I swear this is true. Another big deal about this about the McCabe by what I believe is fake news story. There may have been an indictment in may have been sealed just because there was no public announcement of an indictment admit this weekend doesn't mean McCabe Scott free. They could have been sealed because they're working on other cases. Finally I leave this story. Just want to give you some behind the scenes because so many Bush league legal analysts out there and folks listen. I'm sorry but I'm not a lawyer but I worked in the legal system as an agent for a long time. Um You don't have to be a lawyer to figure out the basic mechanics of the legal system. I mean seriously you don't have to be a doctor to figure out you've got a runny nose sometimes more complicated problems. Yes you want anti McCarthy to address it down. This is a simple one. No indictment came out this week. There Might Guy Scott free. No Dude Dude. You don't have to be Alan Dershowitz to figure this thing out. This never ever happens. I have never heard of it. I've never seen it and either as McCarthy where we're A. US Attorney walked into a grand jury and did not get an indictment on. It's unheard of don't read into that. I'm telling you that's fake news. Let me get who are less sponsor. I WANNA get these red flag law thing too. I this pay close attention. This is a troubling troubling story sponsor the today show also brought to you by but he's my Patriot supply. The world is changing a sadly you see it all over the headlines. Dangerous Storms Emergency Strike Ladies and gentlemen. The time to prepare for an emergency is now while you're not in an emergency because you know what happens in emergency. We've seen it down here in Florida not lately. They've been doing a better job at this but I have. I've seen it even in a place as prepared as we are. The grocery store shelves. They run dry when a hurricane hits. Do you want to be that person. God forbid an emergency. It runs out of food. 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Prepare for what's coming and save one hundred dollars. Go to prepare with Dan DOT com. That's preparewithlars dot com prepare with Dan DOT COM okay. I've been warning you about these red flag laws otherwise known whereas Gun Violence Protection Orders Ladies and gentlemen. I am adamantly of vehemently against these listen. I understand I get. It is a sensitive issue issue. It is worthy of our time and attention gun. Violence in the country is not a joke. It's not meant to be toyed with. It's not funny and it should not be a political talking point. There should be some bipartisan consensus on how to keep firearms out of the hands of the bad guys. Not The good guys the problem I have with these gun. Violence Violence Protection orders called Red Flag. Laws is ladies and gentlemen. Your due process goes out the window. The left is we started talking about today. During during the show doesn't seem to care about due process anymore. It's their tyranny streak but we've seen some Republicans jump. On this Red Flag Bandwagon as well now to point out to you with this is really about these red flag laws somewhat up on the hill through a little addendum into the red flag law legislation which let me be clear and please because I get a lot of emails when people misunder. I do not support them at all. I don't support them with a appendices. I support them with amendments. I don't support you. WanNa take someone's fire away then prove their either a prohibited possessor or take them to court and convicted of a crime crime. I don't want people with political motivations calling in fake threats on me and everyone else they don't like because we're conservatives and and having police show up at my house on a fake threat saying hey we've got a red flag goes from who well your political opponents street is like no. I don't support port that having said that an entrepreneurial congressman up on the hill put a little amendment into this red flag bill check out this story by Western Journal title. This should get your antenna going up you think the Democrats would jump at this for red flag out no no story by Jack Davis Western Journal Democrats Reject Act Red Flag Amendment so law enforcement can't target gang databases up Red Flag Laundry Field folks. This play needs review so let me get this straight again. I do not support Red Flag. I don't care what's in their period but you're GONNA put the Democrats on the spot. This is is an interesting way to do it. Some Entrepreneurial Congressman says hey I got an idea. We're going to do this red flag law in other words you can say your neighbors some kind of a threat and get his guns taken away despite the fact he you can't convict him of a crime. I think we should be able to target gang members and use the gang database. The lips were like way out. No no no gang members not why. I don't want to curb gun violence so you're suggesting that red flagging people we we just through the red flags here. We need a soccer card red flag red flag here suggesting red flagging dangerous people will stop or reduce gun violence significantly conly yet known gang members and I'm folks. I do process to not so I'm just telling you because I don't Wanna get emails at Mississippi Safe Life but you're suggesting known gang members who if anybody has a probability of using a gun and a violent act our gang members. You're suggesting they should be exempt from this. I would they do that policy. You know why I'll tell you. Don't worry my dear. I will tell you why she said because that's the narrative for them. Folks Oh Yeah Yeah Oh yeah. How do you think it would sound to the Democrats. If Donald Trump was it six seven months ago put out the tweet. Maybe a a year ago and you know me with time. I'm always all over the place that got for audience archivist studio. That was actually two years ago. Remember that tweet about about Ms Thirteen Gang members and how we should secure our borders because we have gang members coming across the border. Remember that narrative didn't work so well for the Democrats why because they love open borders they they've always loved open borders. They don't believe in borders at all. The Democrats ran from that to remember them defending. Ms Thirteen Ladies and gentlemen can you imagine how bad it would be a red flag laws if the government opened up the gang database and we found out that let's say fifteen eighteen or twenty thousand members of gangs Ms Thirteen included. We're all in the United States where potentially here illegally and we're being red flagged all of a sudden that red flag law isn't the same narrative. You thought it was remember. The Narrative Donald Trump is an evil awful person and it's his rhetoric. That's inspiring all these crazy easy people to go around and and shoot up the towns in the movie theaters all around us and we need a red flag to warn US against all those wink wink nod nod crazy trump people pull out there. Yeah a lot of those red flags are actually illegal immigrants who came over in the country and our gang members. No not those people don't report on that story. Sh- not not that one Senorita you get it now. Thank you seriously to make sense. They don't want that story. Remember the media is here to tell you a story not thus story and the narrative the story they WanNa tell you is Donald Trump's rhetoric. He's such an evil horrible persons inspiring all of this stuff and we need these laws to go get the guns from those evil trump supporters. Actually a lot of those people are or gang members who may be in the country. No no no we don't want that. That's a law and order narrative that fits into the trump. We can't have that. We're not here to journalism. We're here to do activism. Liberals Liberals are not here to stop gun laws. This is not a fake news story by the way this story about liberalism into curses. It's become if you really support these things. Gang members should be the first people you target. They get an exemption. You must be kidding. Me Always Peel the onion ladies and gentlemen. There's always a story here always story beneath the story all right moving on. I serve a really good story in the economists. They print a lot of left-wing garbage but they occasionally have really good stuff that I'll read and look into. I enjoy some of their stuff. They had this great piece up. Just I kind of a quick aside on economics and productivity and how we become wealthier and why were the greatest country on earth in an economic powerhouse and a lot of times. My economic stories could be rather macabre up and down and desperate and reek of despair. Ma The debt. It's out of control it is that that is out of control but we should worry about it and I talk about it all the time and I don't think we're going to be able to pay our way out of it but I have said to. You often that if we could just get the government out of the way away and let our economy flourish we may be looking at an era of productivity through material sciences the sharing economy healthcare and and medicinal innovations since I mean think about what a cure for cancer would be worth. We may be looking at an explosion in productivity and wealth in this country that unbelievably could pay off the debt. If our economy gross remember the rule of sevens right if we can eat like anywhere close to seven percent growth the economy would almost double in ten years. If you hit consistent four percent growth we double in about seventeen eighteen years which would make our debt appear smaller. I saw this piece in the economists was fascinating about how computers the title is chips with everything everything how the world will change US computer spread to everyday objects the Internet of things will fundamentally changed the relationship between consumers and producers. It's is a couple of different angles goals in this piece one of them the big angle take away. The piece is a little different than what I just said but I'm GonNa try to that how productivity and how these things will get better but the angle and the piece is how when you buy products you think our products and services now. You're not really buying a product anymore your Bryant a service service to and they give the example in a piece. I think it's a Washer and dryer. You're like come on man. That's not a service. We're not buying paying someone by the hour to wash their clothes. You're buying a machine. It's a product question. Is it really they tell the story and the piece. Oh all these products now in the Internet of things and in the future are going to be running. Complicated software probably more complicated than wanting to the apollo thirteen mission computers are going to run these things they're going to sense. They're going to report back to the homeowner on an APP when the close when the length is building up so it's interesting that what happens when that software code becomes obsolete and they write in the piece. I love this story. The WASHER and Dryer won't work anymore and they're saying problem. They're having a lot these companies that sell what you thought were products did really selling services that services and around the product doesn't work either so what happens if five or six years if if you buy a joey bag doughnuts washer and dryer and it's great and then a company goes out of business they don't upgrade the software and then there's software craps out ladies and gentlemen your that's so well. If you know what I mean you gotTa Washer Dryer that don't wash dry anything because the service component of that is no longer valid and they tell an interesting story and there's as well. I believe it's a Microsoft and how Microsoft had this e Book Site People Accumulated these libraries of books and the Microsoft shut it down and everybody lost has three books like that was the end of it so the that's the downside the upside in the Future Ladies and gentlemen this is that productivity heavy is going to explode. Do you know how much time we're GONNA save in hospitals in businesses on inventories having having this vast big data pool of when products and services are needed and we're gonNA become available and what seasonal and what's not seasonal anymore and how medicines since can be tailored produced towards flu season cold season here and whatever single season a retirement community how hospitals are going to have Berkshire Scans that are going to be read by automated robots and optical scanners to Tau when their medicines are running low that order just in time so they don't over accumulate and you don't we'll have medicines and food spoil anymore folks. This is going to lead to such phenomenal productivity of Worker Productivity Computer Productivity Automated Productivity that we have the potential to see our economy explode in the next generation. It's a fascinating piece. I have it up in the show notes. It's not very long. Sometimes they do really really long piece. I enjoyed it. They take while well this one will get through quick but it does bring the ups and downs. Oh this is great. Thanks putting that I forgot I give you that from this is interesting sip it from the pieces that was opens up. It says on August twenty ninth there's historian tracked towards America's East Coast Hurricane Elon Musk the boss of tesla the Tesla cars. The electric car maker announced the get check. This out folks that some of his car makers in the storm's path would find out that their cars. It's suddenly developed the ability to drive farther on a single battery charge. You Ask House Dad right well from the peace like many modern vehicles musk's products are best thought of as an Internet connected computer on wheels the cheaper models it turns out Tesla's lineup have parts did their batteries but parts of the batteries disabled by the car software in order to limit their range yet at the tap of the keyboard and Palo Alto. The firm was able to removed those restrictions and give drivers temporary access to the full power of their batteries call story. That is just just scratching. The surface of the phenomenal productivity is producing more output more stuff. Stuff makes us wealthy stuff medicine food water cars homes. We're going to be able to produce dramatically more stuff with even fewer inputs and we're putting in now that is the essence since of wealth and it's going to happen here if we could just get the liberals in their big government policies out of the way speaking of liberals so one of the debate last week I did. There's some debate coverage. I didn't think we went overboard with it because I knew you'd get a lot of it on cable news and I wanted to kind of let things simmer sit a little bit before I digested all the Wall Street. Journal is a great piece. I guess by James Freeman is very good. It covers one of the things we had his chamber. He says it's a rough night for socialism talking about the debate and he says welcome critiques of government run health care and the Venezuelan regime at Thursday's Democratic debate folks. You know I covered this a lot. It's kind of an evergreen topic doc on my show and I honest to God. I don't do it where you had a lot. If you'd like it very few of you don I get very few emails complaining about it but this whole topic of on debating with my liberal friends and they're telling they're not socialist their democratic socialists like they are in Scandinavia Ladies and gentlemen the Scandinavian Economy Economies. It's it's not one specific place or country. Finland Norway Sweden Denmark non Scandinavian countries countries Canada but other countries Japan frequently cited by people like Bernie Sanders and others who by Bernie Bernie loves Commun- on Youtube talking about the wonders of Communism Socialists so let's not pretend Bernie's but burning out trying to change his tone and say what he said the debate. was you know we're not talking about Venezuela Halo. which was he praised Castro? We is talking about minutes. Well we're talking about the Scandinavian Socialist Countries Ladies and gentlemen the Scandinavian countries are not socialism Eliza Okay I. I don't care what modifier you put in front of it. Democratic Socialism other-worldly Socialism Cosmic Socialism. I don't care air. It's not socialism. They are market economies now. I have a couple of takeaways from this. Here's a piece from the Wall Street Journal Mr Sanders rails against the trump cuts and business tax rates but get folks digest. This ferment limited remember. Bernie Sanders says he wants to be more like candidate Scandinavian but the Canadians and Scandinavians have gone even farther even after the 2017 trump tax cuts that combined state and federal corporate income tax rate in the United States is still higher than the rates in Canada Denmark Norway Norway and Sweden. What Bernie arguing for a tax cut folks is anything. I'm saying here unreasonable listen. I know we have liberals who listen again. You're always welcome here. I wish some of your stuff wasn't so silly all the time but I'm asking you a common sense question. Bernie who's already praised praised communism in the past is now saying no. That's not what I want to be like. I WANNA be like Denmark Mark Norway Sweden and Canada Ladies and gentlemen the Combined Tax Burden there when you look at the income tax in the corporate are lesser experts that we have in the United States now. So what are you suggesting we should lower the tax burden now to be fair. Some of these economies have value added taxes. When you look the percentage of their economy that is removed in taxes. Yes some of them pay a higher tax burden overall but ladies and gentlemen that makes my point not Bernie's why put up that portion of the peace again the Heritage Foundation index of Economic Freedom Ranks Canada as the eighth freeze the company in the world with more economic liberty the United States which ranks twelve is Bernie lobbying for that to the Scandinavian countries are all in the top thirty whatever social services they're able to provide are possible because they've rejected the the Sanders Anthony Market Agenda and allowed businesses to grow a couple of takeaways here and misery was. I wanted to put that out there. I yes the tax burden. Overall in these countries is hi. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you like liberals do many liberals but the way they are taxed in these countries these matters number one. The defacto taxes of regulation regulation is the tax. It's a cost you have to pay to hire lawyers to comply with government red tape in some of these economies ladies and gentlemen are free or of red tape than the US economy Canada Canada Canada Canada ranks higher on the Economic Freedom Freedom in next on the United States. They allow businesses generally speaking to flourish free of a lot of the red tape we even have here is Bernie arguing for that too now. You may say okay but they tax their people a lot yeah but they tax them differently ladies and gentlemen. I'm GonNa get to this Joseph Sternberg story tomorrow and I've got another story about opportunities. I got some good stuff tomorrow to do stack today but I get this tomorrow the way you tax people matters Bernie and Elizabeth Warren these other class warriors have they not insisted to you repeatedly that their plans are going to target the evil rich Bermudas and brilliant now. He leaves the millionaire part because he's a millionaire. You noticed that he always talks about billionaires now. Because he's a millionaire the way the Scandinavian Countries Tax People Ladies and gentlemen are through regressive consumption base taxes folks in other awards these income taxes in the United States that tend to progressively target wealthier people with higher rates. They don't have enough money the rich to pay for all that so the Scandinavian countries absolutely soak the Middle Glass Japan Japan and others do value added taxes. You know what value added taxes are. It's basically a tax at every level of consumption and when you pay for the end product it is a monstrous sales tax on that transaction. Why do these affect who they affect more and I'll get to this tomorrow to see who does affect more as a percentage of their income think about it affects the poor ladies and gentlemen consumption is the overwhelming majority already of what people who are poor middle class. Do they have to pay they have to Guam by food that food budget for a wealthy multimillionaire potentially billionaire. There is minuscule folks. You can only eat so much. Consumption taxes on food and clothing for them is peanuts. It's one one millionth of their income. Come if that but for the poor the middle class clothing food necessities. That's a lot of money and that's a lot attacks so in other words Bernie's arguing. We should be like Scandinavia so he's arguing one for less regulation. This is what he wants if he wants us to be because they have less regulation some of them rank higher than the United States to he's arguing for lower corporate income taxes and income tax rates because many of those countries have lower rates than we do and third he's arguing that to make up for that loss and the corporate income tax rates that we should consumption tax people to death which affects affects the poor and the middle class and the elderly by the way as well who have to consume products obviously to stay alive and many wealthy folks obviously spend their money because they're at the end ended their lifespan. You understand that nothing. Bernie says to you is true. Everything he's arguing for is the exact opposite of what he claims. He's arguing for. He says he wants to be like Scandinavia. What less regulation lower taxes and higher taxes on the poor middle class. That's what Bernie Sanders is argument for. Don't believe any of the nonsense all right folks. Thanks again for tuning and again. I got some good announcements for you this week so looking forward to my book launches chew on next Tuesday but if you order an Amazon Amazon Barnes and noble now you will probably have it delivered just in time. It's comes out on September twenty fourth but I know Amazon delivers early sometimes so you can check that out. I'd appreciate it's called exonerated moderated and please subscribe to our Youtube Account YouTube dot com slash Bongino really trying to get the three hundred thousand subscribers would really appreciate that and subscribe to a lot of your show on apple podcast Google go podcasts available free and it helps us move up the charts. We really appreciate it. I'll see you tomorrow Mr Show. I got some good stuff. Take Care you just heard the Dan Bongino show. Oh you can also get Dan's podcasts on Itunes soundcloud and follow Dan on twitter twenty four seven at Dbongino.

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Bonus Episode: Anti-abortion ruing boomerangs on Sen. Susan Collins

The Beat with Ari Melber

10:15 min | 1 year ago

Bonus Episode: Anti-abortion ruing boomerangs on Sen. Susan Collins

"Hey, everyone listening to the podcast. This is our Melbourne. Hope you're doing great. We have a special extra here for you this weekend. And it's something that may have gotten laws for some people in a week where a lot happened from Paul Manafort getting busted to this national emergency. But did you know that it's the prime court is now one vote away from affectively ruling to eliminate access to abortion in areas where an entire state could have just one doctor or less. It's super important that one vote right now is actually a Republican appointee. Chief Justice John Roberts, and in the piece that I am sharing now, which I hope you'll listen to we discuss why that relates not only to Donald Trump, but to so called Republican moderates zero in on Susan Collins her record and why she seems to be basically breaking her own pledges. Take a listen. I special report tonight. Let's begin with an important fact, there's no part of American government where Donald Trump is having a longer term impact than on the courts, which decide the limits on your right to speak bear arms or make personal decisions about your body is so many activists emphasized during the women's March. But unlike the things that Donald Trump can do all by himself like the travel ban or like, his response to Charlottesville. Trump cannot reshape the courts alone. He needs the senate's approval. And so in our politics right now to ignore that fact, or to move onto the next Trump scandal and lose track of how many senators are actually helping him would be a mistake with real consequences, especially at a time like this as premium core is shifting further right on choice and abortion right before our eyes. So consider the fact about one Trump's key allies for his prem- core. Picks Republican senators Susan Collins who has long claimed to be a pro choice moderate, which is also good politics for her in a state where a huge majority sixty four percent. Believe abortion should be legal from Collins, very first Senate run. She's declared herself pro choice a supporter of Roe v. Wade, and she's argued that is a contrast against her opponents. I am pro choice. Unlike Joe Brennan, I've always been pro choice to you agree with the women's right to choose as outlined by Roe versus Wade. Yes. Susan collins. Yes, I believe very much that wrote the way is settled law. I'm very proud of my strong pro-choice record. I've been endorsed by Planned Parenthood. That was that. But that record is. Now, the problem if there's one thing that pro choice and pro life advocates agree on it's that this all comes down to the supreme court, which has the final say on whether. I there's a right to abortion and second whether women have access to doctors who perform them take either of those away the right in Roe v. Wade or the doctors in any given state and will then that choices practically gone. That's why protests excuse me, pro choice. Protesters were gathering there you remember it Collins office last fall, urging her to live up to her own pledges about this issue and opposed bread. Cavanaugh who was widely expected to be a vote against abortion and abortion access at the time. Now in a sign that Collins didn't want to be seen as any kind of guess for him. And that she wanted to telegraph some kind of uncertainty about cavenaugh Senator Collins made a point of joining a handful of other senators who said they were undecided. Swing votes about confirming cabinet. They remained undecided during Kavanagh's tents and at times angry testimony on everything from these abortion precedents to the misconduct allegations. He face from Dr Christine blassie Ford. This is a circus. The consequences will extend long pass my nomination revenge on behalf of the Clintons your coordinated and well funded effort to destroy my good name and destroy. My family will not drag me out to ask him about blackout. I don't know. Have you? After all that. And those hearings Collins continued remember to delay your decision on Cavanaugh was longer than virtually every other Senator slowly building suspense for a big Senate floor speech where Collins again cast herself as a defender of abortion rights. She solemnly told the other senators about how cavenaugh new Roe v. Wade was a key precedent and how he knew the court later affirmed it in a related Planned Parenthood case, of course, the judge knew about those famous cases the question is whether he would narrow them like his backers expected. He noted repeatedly that Rowe had been upheld describing it as precedent. Would it be sufficient to overturn a long established precedent? Kiam paddock Lee said no I will vote to confirm judge cabin. Collins vote helped ensure that Trump could put cavenaugh on the supreme court while also claiming as you just saw she claimed his words assured her that these abortion precedents were safe and wouldn't change was she right? When we know why am I talking to you about this right now this important issue? Well, when we know it didn't take long, this is in the news right now because Justice Cavanaugh just voted to back a very restrictive state law to eliminate access to abortion for most people who live in Louisiana making abortion, unavailable everywhere there, but a single clinic, according to abortion rights experts and advocates in the state. This was considered a very significant case. The supreme court has weighed in on its most significant abortion case since conservative Brett cavenaugh joined the court. This is one of the concerns about him for liberals with Kevin on the court, but assenting opinion came from Justice Brett Cavanaugh Cavanaugh taking a position in the minority against the current precedent protecting choice, and this is something he's doing as soon as he joined the core note. That's what his conservative backers expected and note, that's what his liberal critics expected. So it appears one of the only policy experts in the country who would claim to be surprised by this ruling to the choice would be Susan Collins of cavenaugh had his way that controversial ruling that I just described drastically restricting choice that would be lauded and if that approach worked in that state, it'd be open season in many other conservative states. The only reason this is so important. The only reason this is not law is that other justices including a different. Republican appointee John Roberts voted the other way, Robert siding with several democratic appointed justices to block this law under you, see where we're going under the row precedent that Collins has discussed so much. Now, let's look at the justices who voted with cavenaugh this is so important four of them there. So they're now one vote shy of Geordie to do this kind of thing to restrict drastically choice and abortion doctors in the United States. Thomas Alito Gorsuch with Cavanaugh on restrictions note. That Senator Collins says some experience with a pattern here, we're gonna show it to you. Because she backed Trump and voted to confirm Gorsuch as well as Kevin just like she voted to confirm Alito as Thomas the fourth vote. Will she wasn't even in office yet? Now there are potential arguments for that kind of owning record for pro-life candidates. Their answer is. Yeah. These are the pro-life judges they want and for some traditionalist to be fair the answer is. Yeah. But the Senate vets judges and shouldn't try to pre engineer their future votes on the court. That's a different defense Senator Collins claims neither of those defenses. She's still claims even now that she's doing her part to keep the court pro choice against all this evidence. I respond to Kavanagh's new opinion. She cites this as a quote, very careful descent as proof the idea he would still repeal Roe is quote absurd. Is it? We asked her calling office weather point blank, she views Kavanagh's ruling as a limitation on abortion access, which it is and a narrowing rose protection or not she did not reply to those questions today. But if last fall anyone was unclear how then judge Cavanaugh would approach abortion laws on the supreme court. The answer is now clear facts matter now, I'll report tonight does not in any way pretend to address all the strongly-held personal moral and religious beliefs on abortion in the Senate or across our nation. But it does reveal that in this important debate full of people in power and out of power standing up for their views taking risks for their views fighting for years for their views. Senator Susan Collins record reveals herself to be on an unusual island where her stated views are openly eight blatantly repeatedly contradicted by her record. Candidate for this important position who would overturn Roe v. Wade would not be acceptable to me. I've always been pro choice, and I always will be. Hey, I'm Ari Melber from MSNBC, you could see more videos right here. Better yet. Subscribe to our YouTube channel below you could have been anywhere in the world that you're here with us. And we appreciate that. We appreciate. Hi, it's Lawrence O'Donnell. If you love MSNBC where your heart on your sleeve, you can gear up with t shirts. Hoodies hats and more from the last word and all of your favourite MSNBC shows you can shop now at MSNBC store dot com.

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O'Reilly Joins Glenn Beck to Discuss The Pipe Bombs, The Democratic Party & More!

Bill O'Reilly's Free Podcast

30:04 min | 2 years ago

O'Reilly Joins Glenn Beck to Discuss The Pipe Bombs, The Democratic Party & More!

"Mr. Bill O'Reilly from Bill O'Reilly dot com. I can't imagine. There is anything on his mind today. Bill Beck pipebombs. Yeah. No idea. You know, I think we have to wait for the piano railing which. Fairly. We don't Bill come on. We don't have to wait for any of that CNN was out in New York Times where they were out with their opinion immediately. I know and they bear no responsibility for the acrimony word of the day sweeping across the nation. The New York Times and CNN bear, no responsibility. None for eighteen months. More than two years. Two years of constant negativity constant criticism onced and smearing. But they bear no responsibility back. Okay. Just to make your point. So crystal clear, I'd like to play a couple of audio pieces for you just to you know, listen to them. And then this. I'm sure backs this up. Could we play a flashback Rick Wilson? Please Trump is silly very powerful force right now. And he's still holding a lot of of the part of the. Base that is very activated by his message. The nativist message that's got a fraction of the base for energize. And the donor class can't just sit back on the sidelines and say, oh, don't worry. This'll all work itself out there still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. And that's a fact. Okay. So that's MSNBC. How about this is Johnny Depp? It's just the question. I'm not insinuating. Any by the way, this is going to be regressive will be horrible. But I'd like I like that you're on part of the women's last time an actor assassinated, repentant. How about this one flashback law professor on Trump? You can't be the boy who cried wolf and expect to have a viable impeachment power. You can't use it over and over again against the same president. Right. You if you're gonna shoot him you've gotta shoot the pill. Now that requires an overwhelming majority of a bipartisan kind, okay, let me go to MSNBC again what Jeb Bush should do. I told them Bush for that debate that I thought he should've punched him in the face, even if you lost he insulted, you're wider split or call Mexicans rapists immerse. He said, well, what do you think are? So I think you should punish them in the face. And then gotten out of the race. You would have been a hero so Bill. Yeah. I mean, you know, we can't target districts. We can't target because that causes violence. Put a bullet in the head punch him in the face. Take him out put a bullet in to Donald Trump Wednesday. Last time and actor killed the president. I don't know what do you think? You know, it's hard for me to keep stating the same thing over and over again. I mean, I think everybody listening to us right now understands that. Yeah. President Trump is undisciplined in the way, he phrases things. But his choices I laid out in my column on Bill O'Reilly dot com. He had a choice. So President Trump could have done with George W Bush did was ignore the personal attacks Bush's a fascist Bush's stupid Bush knew about there were no weapons of discretion. But killed American soldiers. Anyway, I, you know, bushy Nord it all sixty five percent. Sixty five percent of Democrats believed when George Bush was in office that he had something to do with nine eleven and that conspiracy was started by someone. They claim is on the right? And he is not. It was started by what's his fat face loud? Mouth guy. What's his name? Stew known. Alex Jones sixty five percent. Whatever it is. You know, and I and I talked to Bush about this on television extensively, and he basically said factor. That's my strategy. I'm not changing it. Okay. So that's number one. So Donald Trump could have done that easy. But he chose to fight back Trump it, and he said, I'm not gonna let these people marginalize me because it will never end and the American people see me as a fighter they see me as a person who strikes back when attack. So why I'm gonna do that? So then you have to say, okay. Well, who started the fracas who started this, and you can make a case that Trump's bombastic attacks on his rivals in the in the primary process started it you can make a case for that. How how he's able maim. Yeah. He's a symptom. The. The American people have never been this way. We've never been this. No. It was a symptom on people feeling beaten and kicked to death by being called racist, and homophobic and everything else by the came later when it when it was apparent that Trump was a player and could win. See what people don't understand is that in the beginning, the press didn't think that Donald Trump could do anything you have a chance. He was he was like entertainment. All right. Let's bring out the dancing bear. That's how the press on him. But then when he started to win the whole strategy changed, and I keep saying that this comes from the corporate level, and it does. Okay. So then it was destroyed him destroy him that that would be orders. It came down from the editors with the New York Times. Not in those words, but it was very clear what they wanted to do. Washington Post CNN, Emma. MSNBC and Facebook. I mean, they're on their I him there on video saying that. Yes. Okay. So there's no doubt the people listening to us know that. So that it's all right. If that's the destruction that has been ordered, how does Trump counter? What does he do? He doesn't have surrogates. I mean, there are no surrogates who can do it for him. He has to do it. So he does it in a very blunt and sometimes disturbing way for president. But my column said what is his choice. What if he doesn't do it? They are going to marginalize and destroy him. He'll be the laughing stock and. Yeah. In the liberal precincts. He is ready, but he doesn't care about that. But he has a growing I believe growing number of people supporting him. And the reason he has it is because he gives them no quarter. Yes, he fights back. But now they're turning it around saying, well, you are your fightback. It's like Cavanaugh Cavanaugh fought back. Oh, he's out of control. Oh, that's not that fightback shows. He doesn't have the temperament oh come on. You're being destroyed by these people you now lead to show emotion. It's the same thing. So now with the bomb thing. Oh, Trump did it we're we're we're not responsible for any of it. Oh, no, not us. Now. I'm hoping that the vast majority of the American people understand what's happening. I think they do because CNN's ratings are so terrible. No matter what they do. No matter how they ratcheted up still very very few people, watch them. So I'm hoping they get it. Well, they're not going to. So so Bill. How much trouble are they in? I mean, the New York Times literally paragraph thirty five in the New York Times talks about how this doesn't look like these bombs were made by somebody who wanted to actually kill anybody. This was just a statement of some sort what happened from the jump. Of course, they're cartoon bombs. They all eating it doesn't this is the gang that couldn't shoot straight straight. This is ribbons Asia. Press. We're gonna do this to get it into the press because we know the media will go hysterical. Correct. And it could be somebody who was on the right and didn't want to kill anybody. But wanted to make a statement, and they're crazy could be somebody on the left who wanted to do the same thing could be somebody who is just a really unbelievably worst bombmaker known to man, which I highly doubt. But it could very well be somebody who thought you know, what we're going to send these to the press. We're gonna send these to all of the all of the enemies of the right obvious. We will sway in election. Obviously crow contrived to get media attention to influence midterms. I'm putting my money on Putin. How does how does the media respond when it turns out that it's it's either a prank with no political motive or it was politically motivated by the left? Well, if that would be an amazing story, wouldn't it? That's why I'm hoping the FBI. Can you know flesh this out pretty quickly? How would the press handle that? I think that they would look you have to understand it every morning out of the Washington DC think tanks. Progressive think tanks. They send stuff to Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow. And these people they get stuff. So that they'll they'll sit down and go okay now, how are we going to spend this maybe the person sending it was insane. You know that kind of thing. They'll never say. Well, gee, maybe our side is so crazed now that we have to criticize our side, you never gonna see that ever back with Bill O'Reilly and the rest of the news of the week in just a second Bill O'Reilly. I wanna start with something that John casick said yesterday because he was on CNN and boys, and he the voice that we should all be listening to listen to what John casick said about the the caravan coming from Honduras, they're marching north. And you know, what it could easily have been all of us that we're in the caravan that we're marching north trying to save our families and save our children. We got the start putting ourselves in the shoes of other people. We've got the start thinking about the consequences that other suffer. And if we've been spared those by the grace of God, let us be let us be appreciative. Let us count our blessings. Stop let us he committee more Bill. Within six hours. My crack team. Found out who these people were what the real intention was and the the press and John casick Stiller just say, no, no, no, the good people. You want to talk a little bit about the caravan. Yeah. First of all, I know case, it's a long time. He used to sub for me once in a while on a factor on FOX, you good, man. Very sincere. Didn't I shop running Ohio? But John is a via radical guy. He's not a real world guy, and people ought to know that. So he basically saying Americans we have to put ourselves in the position of somebody in Honduras who is poor and oppressed because the society down there as violent and out of control. Okay. But then what is the? Point of that exercise governor casick that we allow everyone in Honduras to come to Ohio. Everyone. And the same thing with all the poor countries in the world because that's what your spouse ING by saying that the caravan people should be allowed to seek asylum in the United States. That's what you're saying. Everyone can come here and do that we would leave California now California would be a foreign country within eighteen months right three year backlog right now of asylum hearings. And if you apply you are in the country, you're here for three years at least. Okay. What do you do here? Who knows fifty percent of all immigrant families, both illegal and legal are on means tested welfare. So there's a one out of two chance that American packed payers are going to have to pick up some of your bills twenty two trillion dollar debt right now for the USA. So if you look at the unintended consequence. Ince's of John k six vision of compassion. It's not compassionate. All you're basically wrecking a system that does provide true opportunity for three hundred and twenty million Americans. Should they do what they need to do to succeed? You're wrecking that system. Governor casing. Do. You not understand that. See I could. And that's the debate. I mean, I just crushed them in the debate. Because he would have no answer for any of that. Bill tell me who's behind this who's financing this. Well, I do believe it's the progressive crew. The George Soros people because that's who is done it in the past. We did a big thing on Bill O'Reilly dot com. Last night about Soros after CBS glorified him. We said no he's pumping in two thousand eighteen this year alone, tens of millions of dollars into the worst organizations and by that I mean, they attack and smear. Anyone they disagree with David Brock runs one of them. That's the media matters guy. And don't tell me that, you know, this is a benevolent, man. So I believe that these kinds of people I can't prove it because there's no accountability and on doors, but I believe they're behind it because there is big money behind it as everybody knows Bill. I and I invite you to read what even the president of under is saying. This is this is backed by a Cuba Venezuela and ousted president of Honduras that are blaming the United States for all of the unrest. The former president says that America's going to have to pay for all of this. They'll have to accept our citizens. This is just an ongoing internal battle in Honduras. That has quite honestly lied to many of their people and said that America's going to have to take you and they're going to because they're responsible for this mess. This is a Marxist revolutionary that has tried to take Hundres by force the supreme court two branches of their government found what he was doing to be unconstitutional and kicked him out and he's been causing problems ever since. And now he Venezuela and Cuba are together in what was formerly known. As all the, but they are pissed at the United States. And they're the ones financing at least the beginning of it. That's how it started. Now Soros or others may be involved. But I haven't seen any evidence of that yet. But I would not put it past them. Right. And and it would be interesting to see if there is a pipeline of cash going into kid to goose Gaba. So this is what I say, I'm skeptical of everything, and I agree with you. There has been no hard evidence put forth, the George Soros or people like him did this. But if you know, it's it's history things they've done in the past. Yes. The government of Honduras should be able to trace. Foreign money coming into that country back. They should be able to show people. This is what has arrived here. So I hope they do that. If they if they believe Cuban Venezuela, actively involved in subverting their own country on doors, and then by extension hurting, the USA they have the ability to find that out there. Let's go. There are two other groups that are being formed now to other waves that are supposedly following this one. And I would love to hear when we come back. What you think the president should do? What do you think it looks like if they do arrive at the border, and how the press is going to treat this, and what do sane Americans do to counter that when we come back with Bill O'Reilly Bill O'Reilly Bill, let me lay out a scenario here in Utah me where it's where I'm off base. I don't think this caravan helps the Democrats in the midterm elections. And it's why the press is saying, oh, there's no there's no evidence that they're gonna come all the way to the border, and they're dismissing it, and that's just a crazy conspiracy. The thing ghetto, the Trump supporters all wound up there all dismissing this now. I can't believe that they're going to make it by the mid term election. I think this is to to arrive after the midterm election and a possible new democratic house which will throw us into chaos. A you think there's any reality in there be what do you see coming and and how things are going to shake out? Well, I said I'm Bill O'Reilly dot com. I now who says that the Mexican government will break up a lot of the the caravan before they start getting onto vehicles 'cause they're not gonna walk to mcallen, Texas or Tijuana, San Diego sector, they're not going to do it. So there at a they're approaching a a railway terminus now in Mexico. Some of them will get on trains heading north those trains. Have to stop in Mexico City. And that's where I believe the Mexican government start to intervene. Some of them will make it, but we'll say some thousand gonna walk. So you don't think it'll be a mass not a break them up. That's what you know. Look the State Department Pompeii I was down there. Now. I mean, he's screaming at them. Now that you know, if you let these people in Mascow go to the border, we're gonna take comic reprisals on Mexico, and that's what they'll do. And they know it so they'll break it up, but some people will reach and some people would get there mostly in vehicles. That's where the smugglers come in the cartels. Come in the Prebble in frontier us already has vehicles down there. You can do trains you can do all bunch of stuff. But when it gets to that point they border authorities will put up barriers new barriers, and it'd be manned by US troops. And. It'll be no way for the migrants to get to any US official to apply for asylum. Trump's already said he's going to do that. He has to do it. The left is hoping for some kind of violent confrontation. That's what they would like to see. But I agree with you that this is not helping the Democratic Party in the vote ten days from that. How bad it's hurting them. It depends what section of the country. You're in. Do you? Do you see the the possibility that real radicals would like to set up a Palestinian Israel situation at our border, and it would be handled. Exactly the same way by the media as they handle the Palestinians and Israel. They they show the big bad state beating up on the on the little guy, do you? I mean, I I said two years ago. This is what our border is eventually going to look like they are going to set up a a Palestinian standing in kind of situation, and we're going to be Israel. I mean, they've already done this on the small stage. Bring it, you know, bring it to Broadway bring it to the American border. And that's the way they'll play it, maybe. But the why the Mexican government does not want that they don't they? They don't want. They got problems on a border. You know war is one of the worst places in the world Tijuana right behind they don't want all this because it drains their infrastructure. I mean, this is an environmental disaster from Mexico. These people all need facilities. They be water. They need food. Mexican people are poor. There's not the infrastructure to support those so. Yeah. So how do they love shantytowns there with mothers and babies and look at the United States, they're rich and look at these people and let them in. Sure. But the Mexican government I'm telling you is under tremendous pressure by the Trump administration not to allow any of this to happen. So so how do you move seven fourteen thousand people and just find enough water? How is this not a humanitarian crisis new faster, but they have it set up whereby there a tents who? Paid for those tents. You would say the media would care now. No, no. They want a new no cures to the poor baby older. And no, but they mother no Bill, but they know they care so much about the humanitarian side of this you. Oh, yeah. You would think that they would find out is there enough baby formula who's paying for it? You know, I write it. Look we've been over this and over this one over this. We don't have a honest press in America anymore, which is enormous story that is not being covered by the dishonest president going to cover themselves. So does guys like you and me we do it. But, you know, the most of the American people feel that we do have a functioning honest press, and we don't. Let's see level. Let me ask you this. There was a story out this week. And I know you touched on it about the one in four college students were in critical distress. I in response to the Trump election. Twenty five percent said they felt like they had PTSD. Yeah. This is at Arizona State University and in ten p and and look it just an ongoing indicator that there is a segment of the American population under the age of thirty who cannot cope with life. And that's why you're seeing the rise of opiates. Opioids you seeing this whole thing at all plays into resin can handle it. Yeah. We can't handle any stress. No stress on. I again, have any, you know, we, micro aggression. I know I I'm offended by a sign of offended by speaker. I'm offended by a hat. I there's. A frog over there. You fends main? Can you imagine when they have children like gosh, they're not going to be able to get up in the morning, it's but those people will fail they will fail in our system because our system's not gonna change it's going to be competitive. It's going to be self reliance that the progressives would love to change it. But it's not going to change in our lifetime. And these people who have all of this anxiety about Donald Trump being president whatever else it may be going to fail in the marketplace gonna give you an opportunity to address Megan Kelly anything to say about Megan Kelly. I think I was kinder to Megan Kelly than any other person in the news business as you. Well know, we featured her on my program in a segment called the Kelly file, which became a her. The name of her program when she got one we promoted her and the beginning, I thought she was very honest. You know, great talent. And did what I always do. I helped her along subsequently. She turned out to be not a very nice person to me and many others at FOX, many others and went on her way. And now it's not looking so good. But I specifically wants to revel in anybody's discomfort like doing I specifically want to know about what you think about losing a job because you would dare ask a question if you're not trying to tear somebody down, and it's Halloween. And here's this specific case about a woman who loved Diana Ross. When is Diana Ross. How is that offensive and losing your job in our PC culture now and this ties, and it was it's so ironic because Miskelly one of the biggest boosters of metoo, which of course, does not take into account due process. So now did she get due process? No, she did not know her comments may have been to her inoffensive. But if you know your history black-faced entertainers in America were used to denigrate African American, and she she she knows that she should have known it. You know what she does? No, I don't know about that back. I really don't know if she if she knew that or not because you could have easily pointed that out in a couple of paragraphs before going into any kind of defensive it, and she did not, but in our in our media society. Now, if you say anything out of the PC line in the network arena, or if you're a tact by me to situation in the network arena. Your career is over. There is no due process. No presumption of innocence. No benefit of the doubt, you're out. Is it Roenick at all that there are so many people on the left in the journalism that are celebrating her demise. No of it celebrating as much as it's a virtue play. You see this is what has risen all these left wing commentators see themselves as virtuous. Oh, Megan Kelly. Did you see what Kirstin powers wrote in USA today? Did you see that? No. All right. You your take a look at that? Because she's a FOX was a Fox News contributor, which I and who I use a lot and she just scorched Kelly absolutely scorched her as a racist can flat out set it you're a racist. And you know, what I'm a racist too. This is what cares some power said. But I'm working on. On it. I'm aware of my racist tendencies because I'm white. You know, forget empowers everyone who's whites racist white privilege. All right, but I'm working on it. So I'm virtuous, but she's not. And this is what you get that all of these people that pile on, and I'm certainly not gonna do that to Megan Kelly or anybody else unless it's George Soros all of these people. Oh, I'm the really good person. You know, and it's very frightening. What's happening in this country? I could tie it into killing the S. But I'm sure you don't wanna hear them. Of course, you could tighted killing the SS. Well, it's all about it's all about what you can say. It's all about fear. And that's what the Nazis were all about. Absolutely all about those back to you cannot say things in America anymore or you will be punished. Yes. Guess what? Other society had that going on. Yup. Thank you very much Bill O'Reilly that's selling book, killing the SS, really really good New York Times bestseller. Of course, Mr. Bill O'Reilly. We'll talk to you again next week think so much.

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Episode 601 - Down Goes RGB

Ross Patterson Revolution!

1:13:23 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 601 - Down Goes RGB

"It. Side? Gentlemen who come to the rocks. By GO SPENT DOT COM. We are. Lost a real one. We did we lost. Real one did somebody called. trying to think did somebody call the exact date pretty much? Did you who was that about a year ago? Right around the January timeframe. It was the big Guy What if I really am a psychic I? Know we we do the Hashtag roster dumbest thing all the time and it's hilarious because of my gambling abilities on drinking Bros Sports. But what if I actually can see into the future last night's I want an eight-game portly which is fucking impossible right? Like that's It's the craziest Shit of all time. And it was posted and drinking bro Sports I called. Our BG dying four to six weeks before the election. That was my exact prediction on the show. Said Watch twenty twenty is going to get even crazier and. Down Goes Yeah No. Our BG goes down. Oh boy. Can. Get tested. Is there some place I can go? I. Can Go and get tested. Now, you shirt we yeah we won't do that. Do that. I can't even see the peace sign in the Dave Matthews album cover I can't see any of those things in the mall. Images like nothing. For whatever reason? Jacobs, I can really see into the future. Yeah. Man. BG. So obviously shit storm talked about it on drinking Bros. last night we did a an hour and a half tribute show that was. Kind of a tribute and then. Mix some other facts that apparently got wrong. Thirty forty facts that I got wrong about better life including her winning the. Nineteen seventy-nine NBA slam dunk contest but. Whatever I'm not a professor never claimed to be. Of. History professor of History Jesse you know that about me. But. When when she went down Jabes thought to myself. What's going to happen here? What's going to happen here? Now it's Monday morning we recorded the other episodes, Sunday nights, and I wasn't sure what was going to happen. Trump said today that you can go ahead and expect that nomination Friday or Saturday. So he's saying fuck it. I'm putting somebody through no matter what's in you? Guys can go ahead and deal with it. I'm sure now I heard it's going to be a woman, right? Does that excite you? Not I mean, it'll be a conservative woman which. Sh- Dan thinks it's going to be allowed. I know from what I'm seeing the front runner looks like a white. I. Can Be this other lady actually right prolifer Um this other lady. I think it's going to be this lady at Florida but. My guess. But yeah, I, know who you're talking about from Colorado. I think it's going to be the other one from Florida. He said as of this morning he's down to about five options. And he'll go through that this week and then announce it Friday or Saturday, and then go ahead and shut a jam that one home. Our BG is scheduled to be buried. Thursday. So he wanted to wait until after the funeral out of respect for her and the weird part about this one is I'd read there's going to be viewing for the public. For the rest of the week of her body. Have you been to an open casket funeral? No. It's weird. It is real weird. I would prefer they not do that but. I don't know man it's strange for me. Is it an open casket viewing? Viewing is. So. You could see the body face everything. Yup Yup Yup Yup Yup Yup so I went to one. For whatever reason my side of the family was big on it. On opencast I'm not at all. So there was a viewing for my grandfather. When my grandfather passed away and I hated it because that's the last image you have a person, right? Yeah, and you can. Squeeze their hand and do the other thing but they've been bombed and all that other shit and you're just like your God damn it man. I can't shake that out of my mind therefore I don't know why they do things like this where it's like, Hey, man. Here's an here's an open cask. Papa down to. Congress and you can you can check out. The body you know, I think a lot of people are going to go. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But it's weird right like eighty seven. Do you want to be? Know Strange. Right. Yeah. Yeah I think. How When she when she first died I, think it was so political that I couldn't really. that. I couldn't. Really. Get into all of the things that meant right 'cause it immediately one hundred percent. Went political. Yeah one hundred percent year or all divide less than fifteen minutes that body went cold it was. Cool on all sides. Yeah. So it sucks 'cause all these memes about her being RPG. notorious. Ano-. Torius and like hearing CNN reporters say that still I will never get. Used to rate. Because they don't really fucking get it. because. She was a Rockstar like those those things were made she was. You know a cultural icon late in life for a reason. Like. It wasn't just because she was little and kind of weird. She was kind of a bad ass absolute and. Her absences like felt today weirdly this weekend. Yeah I mean her for me especially where I'm just like Oh man. Oh man she was a dying breed of a feminist that wasn't a victim writing a feminist that just literally did the shit. And we don't really have that anymore. It's more like. Just trying to cancel people being offended all the time suing people bringing up allegations harassment shit like China. Take Down People. She was dying breed of someone that saw problem. and. Did went through all the avenues to change it. Look she nationally series, but we should be serious second. It's fine. She looks she did a lot. There was some weird things. That she fought for that, I was like. That's a strange one. Chain trying to change the age of consent of sex to fourteen years old was weird man. but so that was one of her her big. Didn't. He wrote Yeah I was didn't get past it didn't happen. Yeah, I think she was on the supreme. Court. Like arguing. Against it or four it whatever it may be. Right, that no, she wanted the age of consent changed and things like that. But. With all of these. Justices and all of this shit's like. I don't know I I don't really know them or whatever's you know goes on there. To me, the Supreme Court. is mostly political where it's just like you're trying to interpret. There's some shit to the courts gotten wrong and I just I don't agree with either. So it's like. To me I think it's a bigger deal politically than it is. Actually for. The country I guess but. Who knows man? Who fucking NAS? I'm a dummy in that world. I'm not. I'm just talking for myself I'm not. Know the supreme. Court you I don't think anything that she did really helped you out in any way. Right. Right? Do you know what I mean so I totally understand that you don't really know anything that she did or care. Really. But Four women? Yes. She actually probably fucked your shit up a little bit because you would like to just be the only person on the mortgage. Do you know what I mean and you would like to just be like you can't have a bank account and between might the exact opposite? No no I'm joking obviously I'm joking. With it's all win. And then just kind of chill. Yeah. So Rpg we know you really fucked us on that one if you were going to get women to be able to have their own banks and checking accounts and credit cards on the. Red Could you just take in men out of that equation together and that would have been even more than I would celebrate with thanks trying. Trying. Nothing that she did affected your life in a positive way. Like this, she chance the age of consent of four Loko to fourteen because if so that would have been read to me but right you know, right To put in perspective when Scalia died Yes he did. Yes. He did. He died at a hunting lodge. It was weird thing. He was also an older man he was eighty six or whatever. The fuck was the one that retired sorry I don't know the one that just retired. Knows that gorsuch got in. Or that fucking Sariano? No No. No. died that's of course got him and then. Cavanaugh Cavanaugh who retired retired Robert John Roberts? Maybe. Retired and got. North Kids Walking Kitson again, Supreme Court does not mean that much to me politically, it means a lot to people but died everybody was like Oh shit he died and I was like I don't I don't know what's going on yeah. I look I'm sure it's important to go against the Supreme Court for something but. You know let's let's face it. If you have to go up against the Supreme Court for anything, you'll be financially drained in your life will be ruined anyways. So You know. I try to avoid it my. On my checklist in life of trying to avoid. Again, our if our BG would have changed the legal drinking age for four Loko to fourteen, I would have been okay with that. Then, you might have been like hero but Yeah for. Women it's the equivalent of that. I? It seems these right. It seems like this being able to work. Not Be fired because you're a woman I don't understand that. But four LOCO has re game drink that comes in a plastic bottle that is thirteen point seven proof right now right? All I can say is would have liked to have the drive to downtown Atlanta to get a fake ID for that one. But whatever I digress Chaves. Right what's more important is that I predicted it and now it's a shit storm exactly like I. Think of when I think of the supreme. Court, is that fucking gay couple in the wedding cake? Yes. Stuff like this and it goes all the way up and then they go. Oh, actually you have to make their wedding cake and the people are like we got it may we're fucking married already it's been fucking twenty years. You know what I mean too. So but it's it's all precedent right like that they set so. Good some of it's bad for. Women in general most of it can be bad. She did some good stuff. My here's my argument, right? If. Let's really talk about it. Here's why I don't give a shit about. The things that I believe in fight four in this life Are Slowly being taken away anyway. So like what the Fuck Man Freedom of speech is being taken away. As being taken away. Second Amendment being taken away slowly little by little freedom of speech being taken away slowly little by little and it's like, what am I gonNa do go in there and fucking blow blow my whole water over people's faces in there and try to get some changes made of. That that's what that's what it's called Jesse blowing my water all over people's faces is that what they do in Supreme Court, that's all they doing supreme court. That is all they do. There is blow their waddled over people's faces. When they do it by the way, if you're watching on youtube hammer the like button. Right now to beat this team that is freedom of speech I would like for just to go out to the nation and let them decide share. We're handicaps by that. So the things that really matter to me thank constitution wise and all that other shit they're slowly being taken away. There's nothing I can fucking do about it and let's face it. I'm only one man with a big penis just walking around this world trying to figure shit outs. vide. Was not the Supreme Court like I. Think of the DMV is like my problem of the day. Imagine if I had to go to supreme court to argue something or try to get something overturned, fuck my whole entire life upside down from the rafters of building and and let EMA. Batman do it's Robert. Kid from Toilet Yam tat stance. Let him fuck me upside down. Is. The rest of it is just like it's political to me at this point where it's like. All right cool like you're exactly right. The wedding cake thing the fuck Bro, we doing but it's a lot for every wedding cake. There's also a huge. Huge things that are done right but but it's takes for fucking ever. Hi this stage. Dude I'm on the back nine here. Back nine years. Right about nine years left here. On this planet and that's much you think. Maybe. Not Maybe not. points. So Yeah, look by the time this shit goes through fuck do I care. So political point. And what I guess that makes it even more I'm going to button it up. But I think that makes it even more impressive that the amount of time because some of these things that she changed were actually as a lawyer arguing in front of the Supreme Court not even. A Supreme Court justice. So arguing in front of them getting these things past like like you're saying spending all that time. But the other thing though it's impressive like it is absolutely. She lived in unbelievable life and I think in the in these times like. A quote of hers like. Fight for the things that are important to you but do it in a way that makes people want to follow you and that's not what people do now. Right so do it in a way that. People see it they're inspired by it and they want to. Follow your lead instead of violence and. Burning stuff and shooting people and being outraged and divided like that doesn't make anyone. Let's say black lives matter right like that quote unquote in the way that she lived her life could directly be applied to that like fight for what you believe in but do it in a way that makes people want to follow you want to be on your side not like. Get pissed, and then join your outrageous raged filled fight just. This is important to this person who is fighting for it. She's doing it in a graceful inspiring way and we want to follow that. I will say this is not around anymore. She did speak out about Colin Kaepernick and said that his whole thing was really dumb i. believe it was her quotes and she hated all this shit like she. She did it again like quietly in a way that's like I want to change it. I'm going to be a fucking lawyer I'm going to graduate top of my class I'm going to argue in front of the Supreme Court I'm going to become a Supreme Court justice and I'm going to change shit. Not Cry about it not cancel people not fucking burn down my city. Actually do stuff. See for me with her and Scalia, in particular because they died in there fucking eighty S. It's too long. To. Be On a court I believe that and she wasn't doing those things towards the end right? She was just there. To you know what? I mean to have the vote that democratic vote all the things that she did she did. And I think you're right like There needs to be like a spring in A. A New Guard right right. I. Don't think they all need to be fucking ninety. You know the the the craziest thing about it is trump will now have picked three. Court justices which. In one presidency pink that's a record I mean that's. Yeah, one, hundred, hundred influence the courts for the next thirty years one hundred and that's why there is. No you know we were watching meet the press and there is no precedent like people are trying to. Well, you know they always wait and it's like this doesn't happen. You don't have enough of A. Control Group to say well, in this instance, he needs to wait it's like to this doesn't happen. So whatever the president wants to do in that situation or whatever he thinks is right. is the precedent really here's the thing. The Democrats will get payback for impeachment and all the other bullshit they've tried to do to him to the last four years. He's GonNa jammed down there fucking throat and even if only serve one term. Hey congratulations she changed the course of this the country's history for thirty years and yeah to me there should be an age limit on it and get these people outta here at a certain point. And Get some get some young blood. The. Crackers we live on Youtube again hammer though but non their Gregor's said making the wedding. Lewis. Inviting jails of course is number one on the list. Oh. Great as always. So okay wait what am I going to a wedding I need a break. Pay It's not free years settle down settle down. When is the just Djabel show DC Cherry is asking. Down you know what? We would love to get jesse a cooking show. We're GONNA have, any RIB. Cook off. We're GONNA, have her in a rib cook off here against Jerry Taylor this weekend. That is going to be for all the business. We will film that and put that live on Youtube as well. Subscribe to during podcastone Ross Patterson Revolution on youtube, and then Rusty Barnet's is asking for a picture of the open casket funeral of RPG to be put inside the studio. please. You know it's funny. You say that I can I guarantee you somebody will have that picture out within the next. Thirty six hours. I guarantee you somebody will will smuggle a camera and and and get that up. How Bonnie Beebe, are you not allowed to? I don't think so they usually take your phone so that shit like it's not a selfie moment you know otherwise there'd be forty thousand instagram fees of of you and dead RPG. It's a sweet one and it's it's a hard flex because let's face it the line to go and see her. Be Hours. It's going to be longer than the opening space mountain and Disney world So buckle up you're going to be there for a while, but if you could get selfies, forget it. There'd be one hundred, thousand instagram influencers just like, Hey. Oh, fucking making. Oh. Yeah clearly. That's all they do is this. Looming in the Next two RPG. This like. Just agency nothing but instagram stories of of our RGB's casket with. New. Or? Cheering the casket yeah. Boomerang with the dead. Women's branch basically, it's her whole. Thing. I'd like God love her. Can You bring food? Are you allowed to eat food in? They're probably nuts that would be another hard flex you show up with you know like a ham sandwich and just take a huge bite. You know while you're there and you're like God and now is it leaned up. The casket and no no. Straight up and down. Okay it's. A little bit lean horizontal. Vertical They don't do that. They don't do that. Chaves come on get a hold of your. So she be staring at you then just like this. Bill. From the back and you don't have to go so close. Because the weirdest thing about an open casket is the like walking up seeing not seeing, and then like peering over during mean if it was just already lifted up and you can brace yourself from down the aisle. Arm around the casket yeah. Yeah You know and it would be a bunch of. ood. ooh. All that Dumb Shit Aj Gamble by the way is asking our producer Giorgio if he would have sex with RB. I know I'm going to say no, that's probably too old. That's outside of your injuries Georgia. Yeah he's saying yeah. Wasn't much of an outdoors. Type Gal. Right. So she didn't have a she's dead for sure. Yeah. So definitely, not now outdoors. Yeah. Yeah. Well James You set that not me. Man But anyways I'm gonNA bass pro shops have a boat. Let's say well I. Don't much less a yacht, which is one of Georgios pre recs for a an old beach. So you have to have a couple of other things besides just being old right. Giorgio. Not just got. She's old sweet have money. She has a boat like there has to be other things involved I. Think I think she's probably she she might have a boat, but I'm still going to say eighty seven. That's a little old for shirts the same pre rex's Daddy. By about five years mammy. How does Helen Mirren? That would be. I think that's Hard like she she looks I think that's how we started. Yeah. That's what I'm saying like that's the age. So whatever Helen Mirren is age in her sexual prime says. So that's Helen. Mirren said Yeah You know. Five. Probably Seventy five is Georgia's cutoff. If you're out there, accident is a cruel joke. I, don't know if you guys know this but it's a cruel joke that women. When they're in their sixties. Sexual Prime. Hey, they know what they want. They know how they won it. They don't give a shit. They look right. They'll do it all. Of No fuss haircuts, e it all. Suck it all all the things? Yup Take it all ticket. All etc. Take it all do at all. But they're GONNA be. A lot of Fuss haircuts south their rule joke. Yeah. A lot of. Guys here haircuts out there out of Karen's Karen haircuts up now you're. Doing it stone. White Bob. I. I have folded agents jobs for stay fall congratulations. Okay. Graduations do you remember? The twenty first day of September. And is. No. Okay. What? What. What is this? When in fire? Do you remember? and. There you go. Earth wind and fire right jabs every September. Twenty first joke POPs up and. It never gets old clearly never gets old to me. The emmys of by the way we finally shut down. We've talked about this on the show for a year where I'm like, Hey, man, I think I'm Doin' I'm done with award shows we have night we did not watch one single second of it. We're all done with it watch some of the highlights and I'm glad I missed it. Boring was the overarching theme Hashtag Yeah everybody was like Jesus Christ it was all virtual. Some people were kind of filmed in different places and all that other stuff. Shits your show. Yeah. One nine awards swept every comedy category when everything. That's an interesting one last season on air as never wanted award before when everything I haven't seen it so. It's good for me. Amazing. I know. But it was a slow burn. It was panned. Snubbed constantly. because. It was on pop TV. My favorite channel. Not, a lot of people love that but I have the APP. I get notifications anytime a new show comes up. So yes, pop TV, BOB TV Mafia is I don't even think they had hd until maybe a year ago to be honest with you, I'm dead serious. Yeah. That's probably true because my. Producer and executive from MTV runs pop TV and. Levin Lincoln ended up going on TV and I remember when we popped it on to watch it was like copped it on its. Pop Up but it was in the box you know whenever you watch those shows in the box were like dammit man. Happens me all the time with the. Chuck Norris TV show that I watch all the time. Walker, Texas Ranger, it's always in that box and I'm like my God man, we need a little HD Chuck Norris. You don't eat onerous and SSD chucky chaplain. was there any pound signs of? Oscarssowhite or Oscar so Jewish or anything like that no or sorry not Oscars but no one was watching. So like nobody really cared and I think because the best lead actress in drama was Zendaya she's black so By the way I call that the. If, you remember that show we watched you for you next day we went air on a Sunday night and I go well she she's GonNa. Win All the awards and she did write youngest ever to win a best dramatic. Lead For an emmy was and. I'm glad we're off the marvelous Mrs Mazel train because that fucking show piece of fucking. Dog Shit they. Look and see if they won because we didn't watch it. So I don't know if they won for dry. Comedy Right. there. Good, they didn't win nobody warned you're nobody wanted to show where all fucking done with that bullshit Yes we are I'm still I'm still pissed every year that ISA ray doesn't win something. This girl is fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah and I don't get it but. What one of the actors on on Our show and drinking Bros. Neil Brown junior was on and I asked him about being on that show. And I said. What's what's her story? fucking gifted issues is hyphen. Now, man she's fucking crazy absolutely crazy talented and does everything. And Stars in all the real deal, she's eighty he he's worked in the industry for thirty years. This point like what's the fucking story and goes y'all man that grows for real and I was like all right Kuhlman. Yes. She did not win again at least she was nominated now she she did not win. You know yeah you're right. Shits Creek for everything best outstanding supporting actress. Everything, Eddie Murphy won for outstanding guest actor in a comedy series. You'RE GONNA love this one, right. So that was last week during the creative arts emmys so that that wasn't televised. Okay. We already knew that one they dug up the cash from friends to do some shit. Why they keep trying to pump this like either comeback in do fucking show. Or just stuff with. Oh. Now, it's just a classic case of suits not really understanding when something's over in young culture. So there was a time. That that would have really worked right? Do you remember that we did a show on two years ago where we were like? Dude, fucking. Our babysitters watching friends constantly. Over and over, and then it goes to the sweatshirts Benko. So that means then it goes to whatever, and now it's over it's been done missed they missed it. But just like anything you know the older white suits try and capitalize on something that is done and it's such a fleeting thing especially and younger generations like as soon as people my age start liking it Gone already done I found it later, right? So They just don't understand that obviously no, and last night when we were live on air because we did a live show last night for tribute show for. RPG. Drinking Bros... Trending emmys on fire. And it was like what the fuck is AP apparently, they opened up the show with Janus Jennifer Aniston to those people who don't watch the show or know her true nickname. Janus. Only. nope. Worldwide of Global Term Everyone knows Janus and she did the opening bits with. Jimmy. Kimmel where we're like, well, we've got a sanitize all the cards and then burn them afterwards to make sure that no one gets covid and they let the cards on fire put him in a trash can and Jennifer Jane had a fire. Extinguisher. She was trying to put out this fire in the trash can. It was a raging fire and just kept going over and over and over again, and finally she really had to use the whole fucking can to put out this fire on stage and everybody was writing in that it was the perfect analogy for what Hollywood is going right now where it's just a burning trash can is what Hollywood is become now, and that's mean is everywhere today and joke and everything watch your tried to put out this fire after the show. Really really funny where you're like Oh man, it's out. Oh No, that is definitely status struck back up again. nope. NOPE it is out. Somebody had to pull the cart out of the trash can and get that like i. mean it was just a a dumpster fire. So is that show last night? I mean when you try to do anything virtually and plus now that we're all done with. Talent and it's just kind of, Hey, let's just pick the most diverse winters although the bullshit like it's over and it doesn't really matter Now last night's Emmys was the final exception because those votes were already afraid of this bullshit. Next year's when everything is going to be ruined and and I don't know what you're GonNa do because I think. Doing the other emmys, the creative arts, emmys virtually, and then giving them away. This feels like the move now where it's just like, Hey, man, we'll just give these awards away online and that's going to be like I'm curious to see what their ratings are. Because I'm sure they were awful. They were. Outstanding guest actress in a comedy series. Maya Rudolph playing Kamala Harris. Gosh out of all the shows. Okay. It's one GIG. So what else are you GONNA do? Because if you're on multiple times throughout your recurring, right so you know look you saw. Kamala Harris God. She's great. I just feel like there. But yeah. No. Outstanding writing for a comedy series Oh hang on. We got a little bit of breaking news eared place was. Ye sh-she. The so this is Forbes. The twenty twenty, any ratings crashed, and so did its relevance. Man. hit an all-time readings low of five point one, million US viewers that is barely episode of drinking brews sue. Sorry. So we should do it next time. And you know I'm giving it to bait men because I'm a big Bateman hadn't fucking lost. Again I can't watch the emmys anymore because Jason, Bateman and Ozark cannot fucking lose everything. That's insane. That is in fucking saint to succession the lose I knew this headline would come up Ami Ratings flameouts. Now of course the. Young it was so erie though again, if you pull up this, Jane Picture Japes. Of this thing. It really felt that is Yes. You do. You download it is Jane Jane. November doesn't make any sense. If you watch this opening monolog with with this trash can on fire and the two of these idiots trying to put it out. It really is what everything in Hollywood is going through right now and it's just like well, this is done i. mean it was the perfect. Thing at the perfect time and. It is everywhere today. So? Yeah. I mean look if you're looking at it. So that got five point one. US Right. There were up against Sunday night football last night which. was great by the way. But? That was still down. You're also up against the Lakers game last night. Forget about it. Lakers game one last second shot football game was one last second play at the one yard line. And you're doing this virtually. Forget it. It's over. That's man that's crazy to me. The craziest parts of me? That was your dream going out there. You know to win these awards, go on stage and do the thing now. Now you look at it after everything that's happened. To our country in the last, like can five years you look in your leg? We. Really fucking glad-handing these assholes. We're going to tell us to go vote and all that shit like. Yet I guess we'll. We didn't watch it but I wonder how many speeches were a million all. Of them were voting. I can tell you that right now and so important. BAITER. GINSBURG. Just say out of US fucking go and vote for my candidate or your unimportant and I hate you. Because that's kind of what it is. You know that's the gay guy get after. Even the NBA players in the NFL players skill. Vote we're going to open up our arenas for whatever you mean for your candidate, right because you're not telling everyone to vote otherwise. Well Shit Ben what's going to happen? Then what's going to happen With the unease and on another show, I'd say probably give it two years and they still stopped televising this stuff for the emmys Oscars I'll give five I. think they'll stretch that one out because that's kind of the big Doug but Emmys, I'll give to MTV movie and music and all that other shit awards like. I don't even know if I'll give that that that. That network shot past five years which MTV. Oh. Yeah. No I think it'll be not a thing it'll end up being. Paramount APP or something like that and. And that'll be up music videos are in youtube anyway. So it's like great. That's where you're going to watch music videos. Jersey shore look man they're going to be fifty in a couple of years. So it's like. Keep trotting them out to bang. Our. Of. Any and the other day they're doing a one. Yeah. With their exes ExCo friends in a thing in Vegas is they're the only ones that are left. Will they're the only ones? I think, yeah you're. They're all like around the same age, but they're the only ones that are single without Oh, you have Cisco wrecks. and Dj's still. I. Mean So. Yeah that's GONNA keep happening. Julia Garner Ruth Langmore. There's talks about her playing Madonna in the new. Madonna roof. bio-pic. Good. One that Madonna is writing and directing. So well, look before Madonna loss. There's GonNa be a commercial love letter to herself I'm sure. But before she lost her mind she was fucking heart and read back in the day. So I think that's a great pick. Don't you think that's ruling where I don't talk about Shit. Shit about Fuck Shit about fuck yeah? This thing to and I hate to go back to this but I wanted to ask you forgot to with the RB. G. Did you hear that the family had asked? They said that her dying wish was to wait until after the election pickers successor successor I heard that on one of her friends on was it meet the press? Yes. And she regaled us with this story because that's what Democrats do is like turn it into some long fucking. Story that's GonNa tug on your heartstrings. And it's so transparent. Now that I don't think I don't know why anyone would fall for it anymore but. She, just he asked her a very political question or something completely not about this and she was like, yes, her granddaughter was at her granddaughter in the room and there was also other people that heard this. So it's corroborated she says, right so it's not fake news is essentially what she's saying it's not just one person's account. But she looked over at. Goes through the whole thing at one point she says. I. Yeah. Not a prayer. The reason I, bring it up trump's for no, let me. Let. Me Get through this. Movies where somebody's sick. A graphing lie one of you in Helen Keller versus night lows when when your mom is dying. And she she cough all over Ya Hoff's up blood all over you constantly over and over again and you ask her please stop coughing so much so much blood. It's want not to get too off top of topic, but it's one of the things that was really hard for me in the crown. In the first season the king had some lung thing. And it was a to the in. Be You know they like to really play it up like China? Talk. And all I was. A okay. We get it. You're fucking dying. anyways. So they said. They have some family anecdote. She's said her dying wish. is to have, president, trump wait. by the way. So trump was just on Fox and friends. That's the reason I'm bringing up right now and he's saying. I'm not sure maybe she did maybe she didn't who knows. and. Then it was phony it sounds phony to me and she did maybe she did. Exact quote by the way. Exactly. But like slurs, he clearly doesn't. Govern. On. Human interest stories like he just doesn't. He's the opposite of that, right? I don't know it. It's great. It's great and maybe she did maybe she didn't is the exact right response like maybe it was her family in the room. Do you ever recording? And even so it doesn't matter. What her dying wish was. Love love that. But it's not going to be. What's going to happen again, they're saying this thinking that they're going to win. The thing is he's GonNa be picking like it or not. He's going to be picking whether he picks before or after it's going to be him. So. What is it? I mean what we we're forty two days away here. is the point of making him one of the outcry last night from the Emmys was that Guy Cordeiro who died of covid nineteen that they didn't put in the memorial didn't put him in I guess Zach braff found out about and lobbied for it and he got a response back from the academy and Then he kept pushing excluded him last night. So they don't as much as they Hollywood says, we care about Cova Mask and people dying in two hundred death sentence two, hundred deaths ownership it really don't. After that's like, why couldn't they put him in the Memoriam now like I don't get. He wasn't famous enough. Yeah. You know that. Famous from, having. Yeah but not from his actual work in television. So there, it wasn't good enough for their virtual show which no one was there. You had all the time in the world to throw A. Picture of someone with their fucking name it's all that they were asking for. And can't, deal? and then the the protest by the way I brought that up protests were Brianna Taylor last night's. trump. White nationalism was brought up and. So the usual I can't I can't I can't figure out why? They did so bad. Yeah. Oh and the guy who won for succession that one. Best. Best Drama series succession. We don't watch that like. I'm not GonNa Talk Shale only because probably everyone on here loves it and I don't. I. Tried like three episodes yellowstone not something that could be yeah it can be. Can Be. A Raw Co Hauser Babe come on. Your cosby or that fucking crazy bitch that grew is fucking greats in great. Give it to her tits. But I guess the British creator of succession cold out president trump and also UK prime minister. Boris Johnson. Last night he said an unthank- you to the virus for keeping us all apart this year in unthank- you trump for his crummy and uncoordinated response. UNTHANK-. You to Boris Johnson and his government for doing the same in my country and an unthank-. You to the nationalists and quasi nationalist governments in the world who are exactly the opposite of what we read right now of what we need right now and unthank- you to the media moguls who do so much to keep them in power. So unthank- You those media moguls you're sounding off on are also the same ones that put you on television so When you don't think the person that actually puts you on TV to get you the award that you have an all the millions of dollars that you're living on in that big house of yours because yes, he did accept the award from his fucking house. Yup, find the media moguls for that. As otherwise it if it was the media moguls. You wouldn't have been on the show lessons. So shouldn't have been on the air and I fucking hate that show anyway. So Whatever my would ever Jay. I feel like I'm all in one right now today you know rem ready to pony up I'm ready to pony the Burqa Jacob's We got some sponsors however that pay for this whole show to be on the air first and foremost talking about go sped dot com forward slash drinking bros. 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We I knew everybody was going to be talking about that shit I guess I can say this now because I think it's real. We have. A huge guests on Wednesday for Drinking Brussel. Matt Gaetz is supposed to be on the show. Let's just like. It's a big one for us and GROWS IN? I. Mean Look I'm always nervous saying who's coming on the show 'cause we've we've at the last minute guest backout backed out somebody get in a car accident one time and it's like you have to reschedule and. Someone, who's getting sued about a pit bull one time. And so it's one of those things Congressman Matt Gates is on here very, very smart guy a always always in the press and. He's out of Florida So it's a big deal. Hopefully, everything goes alright for Wednesday and I think. Fingers crossed that will be there. So with RPG thing like we didn't want to be late to the Late to the party on that because everybody was asking what our thoughts were. So we pushed the kid rock episodes nights. And then we're GonNa do Matt Gaetz and that's going to be read so. It's it's election time and there's been a lot of people hitting someone to come on the show obviously and We're down We're always done talk politics and rap about life. That one will be cool because we can ask him I mean he's got the inside of all the Supreme Court Shit So. I'm sure he'll be full opinions for that one. I should be really really fun show and we're looking forward to that. But Kid rock is tonight, John. Daly is on that show Shit. There's a bunch of people in that show. Robbo kneels on that show the Miami Cute. I won't be allowed yeah. Tyler Ray Tyler is on the show Yep. country star. Goddamn that's great. A veteran with a sign on that. So many fucking believe. There was like everybody kept showing tonight's like the the NBA All Star game for podcast. It's the podcast all star game It's GONNA be. A Rad episode Giorgio Shot it looks beautiful Georgia and. We were at the golf course in. It's crazy. We even got S- Tyler to play a song show. Live on air so fucking dope all the way around. So yes, that'll be out tonight at eight PM Eastern Standard Time James and then You've got your cook off this weekend we are going to televise the cook off will be televised, will be televised I think in the same sort of way right? So maybe Monday night Tuesday it's GonNa take some editing, right? I don't want to put into that much pressure. It will be out that week probably towards the end of that week I'd say what you know what a good day to air that is Friday actually we don't have a show that goes up on Friday. Saturday or Sunday. Georgios peaked head over. To. Let me know when I'm fucking working or. Edits. An eight hour show. No. Go. Let's go. Let's go next. Friday a week from Friday that way. Because we do, you'll just have a lot more premium content because I'm going to be on it. Do you know what I mean? By. Hard to edit around all that stuff. So yeah giant find good shot of those fucking dealings. Just do a lot of. Me and then jared doesn't care no care at all. Doesn't care at all longhaired don't care. It'll be versus jeered and a rib cook off on on the trigger your smoking those against one another. Are you worried at all you're going to lose Jerry because if you do I, don't know if you should come home. Here's the thing. no. I'm not worried about losing to jared. It's just a matter of what you what the judges like right so like. What if they're gonNA go real rules. Can't fall off the bone, but that's the way I like to do it. So look I'm going to grab. It has to be can be like you can pull it off, but it can't fall off on its own. A RIB if you're going to go real competition rules which hopefully no one does. But. I'm GONNA, make the ribs I like them. The way I, like them to taste the way like the meat to be all of that and if I don't win from that. then. What am I GONNA do right like That's all I can do no I. It depends on what people like I've got you winning. Now if you're going to st by Tommy. I don't think he's in town. He's doing something else that we can. He's a funny like he does like A. Cart like food truck so It'd be worried it'd be like be but is it's all about. Just keeping it. Not Dry, and flavor. So I need to order some grill your ass off. To. Then think they're here in Texas, by the way. Okay. I wonder WHO's going to lobby call to them. I have everything I've done in tried leave church all that love me church but shit, we should have him be your off Yeah Oh. No. Yes. I don't so much pressure isn't. I don't know if he was a nice guy he's the greatest guy I met him in Vegas. All right. Let's call I'll call and we'll see anyways you guys know it's flavor and texture and not everybody is going to you know in a way it's sort of subjective. Certain I hate a Saint Louis. Rib for example you. To median fatty. No one ever now whatever. But anyway, you have me scared that I'M GONNA lose like I, never thought for one second. I was going to know I. Know I have award-winning ribs like. I have a fucking trophy at my house. So don't come for me. I'm not end. Yeah. You're doubting me. You're making me doubt myself and the confidence that I had was through the roof and now it's at the roof. Got It got it gotta gotTa cut it. Yeah. No you're going to take it down even more if you're GONNA win for sure. Here's the deal. Jared usually rocked at some point and he'll forget about the ribs that's going to be my secret weapon, right? Because I don't drink until three or. An dress. Over and over So all at least be good until Dan, but we're going to shoot it so you guys will be able to watch it and then. We always do on this judging because otherwise it's Shitty. So we're going to see a jesse skills against jared Taylor coming up. We're basically just gonNA rewrite the whole time. So we'll see like full on screaming fighting each other. So if you like if that sounds good. That sounds like a fun time a also. So we told you guys to watch these social dilemma and that we would chat about today. So we're GONNA we're going to. Finish our show with that today with the social dilemma. I watched it now I was not. As surprises everybody else. By the way a good friend of mine just posted this morning that he watched it last night he was just like I'm deleting my facebook. So you can find me on instagram and he goes I know I'm a hypocrite for saying that but he goes I am going to delete all my friends and it'll just be my accounts. If you WANNA, see what I'm up to it'll just be me because I think being sucked into all of this shit and I so with social me personally. I knew it was like, did I think it was bad no but it didn't surprise me that it was that bad. What surprised me the most was that they don't have my algorithm. On or maybe even me saying this out loud is probably GonNa Fuck Me Yeah Yeah. My phone immediately starts going off like they're. Soon as I say I'm kind of notification something Change Algorithm. So what I'm surprised was after watching it if they supposedly know everything about you write my algorithm for facebook is wrong and so is. INSTAGRAM. I don't. Right. Yes. So twitter looking watching that movie they do they definitely have it right for twitter. Twitter and I've said this on the show a million times that it's just a fucking hell hole rage fest. After watching that, it is clearly made that algorithm is clearly made for me to respond people. I, hate therefore the only people that pop up my feet are people I hate and don't know. Like which is fucking weird. My facebook and I don't know if this is true of everyone else's but mine has turned into. The Algorithm has gone from like military dad's coming home and kids putting on the glasses for the first time and seeing colors. To like really political like showing me protests showing me fucking shit like that. So I think they realized that those things would keep me engaged for only a certain amount of time. But if I'm pissed I'm engaged for longer and that's true of everybody. So One of the things that I got from that that Sh- that movie was exactly that like if you go why wiser so much craziness in the world, why is it every time my data because that's what keeps you engaged in order to sell to advertisers they need you to be watching whether you're watching watching. Commenting on somebody's pissed about whatever reading a thread because you want to see who's who's going after who? That's what keeps you on there, and that's what you will continue to see and it's not really what is happening in the world. What's keeping you? Engagement advertisers are paying for so it was like I said, it was a dense documentary and there was a lot of different things and it was great. Yeah I. And it was more what my the my biggest takeaway was because we have kids. That was. Where I was when I watched it I was like fucked. My kids are funds, and so we're everybody else's kids. So it's not. It's not necessarily about us because we knew a time. When there were no cellphones, right. So we can hearken back like fuck like what am I doing? I didn't ever need this before I would meet up with my friends without ever even having a phone or a pager somehow we would all find each other on our bikes whatever you have those memories kids now don't have that so they can't pull themselves out of it because they don't have another. Reality that they've known before. And it's hard enough like if you think about as adults to look at your phone and be like, oh, Bro, like I need to get off of here for kid they don't have that. So it's scary. That was the main takeaway that I took from it to like. It's it's the same as Philip Morris in a way where it was like you can't use a cartoon fuckin- camel to, sell, cigarettes To kids like you can't use these flashy color notification things to sell. My numbing social media to kids but. Stopping that is going to be ten million times harder than stopping cigarettes. You're kind of advertising that they did and look how long not fucking talk so. We are doomed I don't think there's anything we can do about it and that's it. You just gotTa Take Care Your family and your home and do what you can and. My Child. Jackson He. He said something six year old. He said something interesting interesting to me the other day. where? He goes to Ju Ju Jitsu Sharon Jujitsu I. think that's the proper pronunciation for it Jujitsu. anyways. When we were driving there he said Dad can you not be on the phone at the beginning of class? Because the beginning of classes, you some warming up's. Running across the Matt and doing crab rolls and all that other stuff for whatever and because of the time that it is at five o'clock usually the first five minutes I'm just answering emails letting everybody know essentially like, Hey, man, I cannot be reached for an hour. Through this and then I watched the rest of the class right and I had to tell him I was like. buddy just no dad hates his cell phone. and. It's weird because you can have conversations with them now where he goes why and I said. Because it's work and if I'm on it, it is work related and because I don't really enjoy anything other. Than that on the phone. From posting on social media, it's usually for work or whatever. And I go I don't enjoy it and he goes you don't like playing video games. down. The Video Games are fun like and I go. I don't do any of that I is why don't you like video games and I was just like well, I don't because it was distracting or whatever, and then I started to go over his head you know but there was a point like we're video games came out. Before cellphones essentially right where you can get sucked in video games just the same way. Now, it's just more intense because this thing is right in front of your face all the time whereas video game even back in the day when we were kids was to a television, you still have to ask your parents for permission for the television, all the shit, and it's just like now on this, it is social media video games within those video games. It's in-app purchases and all this other stuff and you're like Oh. My God dude. You know the the one seen in that. That movie was that kid that young kid who was she was putting a photo of herself on instagram and somebody said asser why her ears were like Dumbo and shit like that and then you're like Oh. My God. Same thing's going to happen to. And it's just like, what do you do? What do you do? Because you can't not let them have it. We've seen it the other way we're friends of ours of said. Hey, you can have a phone. You can't have. TIKTOK. You can't have instagram. You can't you know and then they become weird and sheltered, and then they don't have the same social experiences, their friends, and it's like it's a really fine line and I think. The more and more powerful facebook and Instagram, and all the shit gets the more fucked. We are in the more fucked, our children are. To be honest with you. So I hope my sincerest hope after watching the documentary. Is Somebody comes in and breaks up these monopolies in these companies and holds them accountable for these algorithms and all of this data and all this shit because they know what they're doing clearly you when you watch the documentary. Kids are susceptible to and they're gonNA fucking grow up with these goddamn things glued to their face all day. So That is my rant on the whole movie that was my biggest takeaway, but I knew they were. I knew they were doing shit. It's not not to that extreme. You On the other hand don't you social media at all? For. That exact reason which is great and I love that about you you'd said to me he was yesterday. I know you're not happy that don't use I'm like, no. That's one of my the best qualities about us that you don't use social media because I've seen people in other relationships with the guys or girls use it too much, and you're just like Jesus Christ man that's that's a little extreme I mean I should for work but. I think that it would. I like to be able to say what I, what I WANNA say. Whatever I want say I think that's why you guys tune into the show I don't want to worry about getting a weird comment or getting like somebody talking shit to me online or anything like that like I just don't look therefore I'm able to. Because everyone susceptible to it. If they're honest with ourselves. If they look at all the comments, read all the things that people can say about you that don't know you. It changes who you are what you say. You know everyone has that that filter on them now like you see a celebrity interview and it's so fucking boring. 'cause all they're thinking is like. What are people going to say about this and this and this, and then what's a comment that someone can say, and then what are they going to turn this into a clip and then take it on a contents in the now you know what I mean like and that to me is boring. So the only way that I could stay just not caring really what people. Think about me that don't like me or no me. That's the only way I can do. It could get sucked in I get here bad comment and it would like. Yeah I think about it forever. Yeah and last night was the perfect example with Jennifer Aniston right. She typically doesn't do bits like that at the top of shows and Shit like that she's pretty reserved. Some. When it comes to that type of stuff, right? She did and it. Hollywood is a dumpster fire and it's her putting out this fire trash game with Jimmy Kimmel and that's everywhere this morning and it's like that's why they don't do shit. That's why celebrities aren't exciting like the one time fucking. Leonardo di Caprio went to a park to try and just fuck and fun with the one picture that they have been. fucking his gun. He's playing with some kid belly out face like this and he's just like one time letting loose now what now? What are you going to get you mother fuckers? You're going to get the hat down you can't even recognize him. He's not gonNa leave the only ways going to do weird shit is on a yacht like you guys did. I WANNA see Leonardo DiCaprio. fucking? Yeah. We're seeing partying letting loose in a park God knows where the best shot of him from a drone on a yacht with like eight hundred models after I finish shooting a movie. That's the way corrects you want to see him but look Correctomundo Correctomundo and then even Jennifer Aniston like I don't need. I'm sorry guys all wanted her on social media. She was classically always against it and I love that about her she was like, why? Why do I why do you need me to post like she was always just like what the fuck? I don't like her on social media. Now I I don't why why Your big fucking clear. Glasses. Dahmer glasses like your high dude. You're hot and you're an old school actress and you don't need to do it. Why are you fucking doing it? What's The dumber classes? By the way? It's a thing for who? Dudes don't like that Shit. We don't do stuff free guys. We do so that other girls go glasses. Think we know you guys don't like mom jeans worst. We know you guys don't I actually do. On you. Okay, we'll most guys. Like herbs as. A high waisted. Mom Jean, but we don't wear them for you guys. We wear them. So another girl like I love how does Mommy Oh? The ones you wear seventies and they really accentuate your sweet, ass. So yes, I do tighter mom gene. I don't do the like loose fitting ones that really are supposed to make you look like. A mom. Cute younger girls can get away with it. Sure. I need to go a little bit tighter. With mind. But yeah, like we don't do we don't do any of this shit for you guys. Obviously. Do It for other girls? Jane when this fucking Donald Gases like food what in what world it makes you look like you're going to work in my fucking computer system in my office. On A. Couple of quick couple quick stories before we get off the Air Choya Jones share a main. QUBE is a looking to explore a potential sale after less than six months. Call, that is well, I. Actually said they go bankrupt but. Maybe they're teetering on it, and that's why they're looking for sale You can find Chrissy Teigen's show there where she is a court judge. Right the same as our BG to be honest with you just misjudged what people actually want. Weird thoughts they knew. That people's attention span was only that long it's. Twenty seven to thirty minutes. Journey? mean. Ten. Is Not worth my time. An hour and a half of a too long all they're doing with somebody or just breaking up full movies into ten minute segments. Hayman, I, just want to see the full movie I don't need to see two ads and then the next ten minutes, and then like I wanted to do that fuck man diehard on. If I want to watch that many commercials and then last but not least our BG route Baiter Ginsberg's book in my own words skyrockets to number two on the Amazon. Bestseller list. Bad S she's about. Like will definitely end on that note for sure and like. Funny I love the whole thing that happened with her but you know the notorious RPG all of that. I think is great. How Fun at the end of your life to like Holy Shit I'm a fuck in Rockstar and look. It was aged eighty, seven years. None of us will live eighty seven years. So I know. I'M Come on Bro. Yeah I'm, not gonNA. Deathbed she said, what did he say? My. Dear come come close. Come close who? All I want. Is. For. Donald. DONALD TRUMP To wait. UNTIL HIS SECOND TERM WHO Des. GRANDMA GRANDMA. What was that last grammar? Can't I can't. Do any more but gosh? What a fun story, right? L.. No one's buying that They need the Napkin were they. Oh, blood. Right. That's not funny. That's not funny I'm sorry that's not funny but it is in every movie. Every movie where someone? is about to die right. But but my diagnosis. I don't believe that story I. Don't believe that story I'm sorry but I do not believe that story I'm sure she did but it wasn't like that though to pull. You motherfucker that should be the one clip you finally post on social media. And lose all. Five followers. A. Kids. Fun Times were back. The set is almost done. So what do you think tomorrow in Georgia? We will go live of tomorrow. He's saying fifty fifty. What is it lights? What are we missing lights? Lights drill some other. We're fine. We'll get there can progress we're now. The Senate is completes we gotta get some lights and. some curtains for the darkness I. Think a house is just a structure Yes it's the people in it to make it a home. And that's what we're giving you right like it doesn't matter what our background is. We're a family. And we love you. And this is your home. This is your home. At Patterson, revolution go to I'd soon's in. Your home, a five star give it a five star and a quick review. It'll help us on the charts. 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Kavanaugh confirmation in question as accuser goes public; GOP Sen. Collins: If Judge Kavanaugh is lying, it's disqualifying; 21 killed as catastrophic flooding swamps Carolinas; Border agent confesses to killing four women

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Kavanaugh confirmation in question as accuser goes public; GOP Sen. Collins: If Judge Kavanaugh is lying, it's disqualifying; 21 killed as catastrophic flooding swamps Carolinas; Border agent confesses to killing four women

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The pieces the lead starts right now, moments ago, President Trump weighing in on the sex assault allegations against Brad Kavanagh defending his supreme court nominee as one of the finest people he's ever known couldn't Trump's own struggles with the metoo movement impact his next move today. Judge Cavanaugh went to the White House after his nomination was thrown into chaos as key Republicans with critical votes. Say his accuser should be heard. Plus towns turned into islands. The death toll rising as the water is rapidly rise as Florence may have saved her worst for last. Welcome to the lead on Jake tapper. We begin with our politics lead President Trump supreme court. Nominee, Brad Kavanagh, who's confirmation was once seen as a sure bet. Well, now it's in question all ten, democratic members of the Senate Judiciary committee are pushing for a delay on the committee vote, but far more significantly, four Republican senators, including one on the committee, agree insisting that they need to hear directly from Kavanagh's accuser, Christine Blasi Ford before proceeding just minutes ago. President Trump himself seemed open to the prospect of a delay. Still. He praised cavenaugh and argued that the accusation should have been brought forward sooner by the Democrats who have known about it since July judge Cavanaugh is one of the finest people that I've ever known. He's an outstanding intellect and outstanding judge respected by everybody, never had even a little blemish on his record. At the same time, we want to go through a process. We wanna make sure everything is perfect. Everything is just right. I wish the Democrats could have done this a lot sooner. Yesterday. Ford went public with accusations of attempted sexual assault against cavenaugh to the Washington Post. She had up until then remained anonymous, only sharing her identity with representatives in congress. Ford alleges that in the early nineteen eighties as a teenager, drunken Cavanaugh held her down and tried to undress her at a party and that she feared for her life. As he put his hand over her mouth. Ford's lawyer today said she felt the act was an attempted rape at the time. Cavenaugh strongly denies the allegation, calling it quote, completely false and saying, quote, I have never done anything like what the accuser describes to her or to anyone. This never happened unquote. Both Ford and cavenaugh say they're willing to testify publicly. Let's get right to c. n. n.'s Jeff Zeleny at the White House and Jeff, considering how angry were told President Trump is behind the scenes. Those were some very measured comments. He. Just made Jake. They were measured comments and disciplined as well, almost more disciplined than anything I can recall him saying reacting with. On an issue with such consequences here, but that is why the president was doing that. He knows how serious this is. The White House has been in touch with Senate Republicans all day long. Judge cabinet in fact, was here at the White House for several hours working behind the scenes with officials who now are preparing him for the possibility of another public hearing the only time that president showed a bit of anger today when he was asked, if judge cavenaugh should withdraw. He said, that is ridiculous. Question. Judge Cavanaugh President Trump standing firmly behind supreme court. Nominee Brett Cavanaugh. He's an outstanding intellect and outstanding judge respected by everybody. Never had even a little blemish on his record. He said he would be open to delaying the confirmation vote. I want him to go in at the absolute highest level, and I think to do that, you have to go through this if it takes a little delay, it'll take a little delay. It shouldn't certainly be very much, but behind the scene scene and has learned. The president is furious and frustrated by what he suspects is an eleventh-hour attempt to smear his pick for the supreme court. A California professor Christine blazey Ford, accusing cabinet of sexually assaulting her while they were teenagers in high school cavenaugh calling it a completely false allegation. Yet his confirmation now hangs in the balance Kellyanne, Conway. One of the highest ranking women in the White House trying to set a tone of civility. The president with whom I've spoken at length about this, she should not be ignored or insulted. She should be heard sending a message to others around the president. This moment is a serious one. It came after the president's son, Donald Trump, junior mocked. The accuser in this Instagram post, citing judge Kavanagh's sexual assault letter found by Dem's. Will you be my girlfriend? Yes. No love Brett. The president has been dismissive of other women who've come forward accusing him and other men of sexual misconduct, including last year with Alabama Republican, Senate candidate, ROY Moore, he says it didn't happen. And you know, you have to listen to them. Also you talking about he said, forty years ago. This did not happen, but less than two months before the midterm elections, where women voters and candidates are playing a critical role. The White House is treading lightly for now at least saying both cabinet and as a cuter should be heard and Stein. So of course, it's an open question how long the president to remains a measured. But of course, with the midterm elections, just in the future, some fifty days away combined with this metoo movement, the White House taking this very seriously and trying to send a message both sides should be heard. The question is, will the president's allies, his own son included a keep on that same message? Or are we about to see a new battle here in Washington or up? Jake, I'm guessing with the battles going to happen, but Jeff, Zeleny we're right now. Not there yet. Let's talk about this with the experts. Simone, I want you to listen to our own Maharaj. You just sat disposed to Senator Orrin Hatch who had spoken on the phone to judge Cavin. I'll take a listen in. What did he say to you? And it wasn't a departure. There's clearly somebody's mixed up. I think she's mistaken. He didn't do that. He wasn't at the party clearly somebody's mixed up. I think she's mistaken. Your response. I'm trying to figure out how judge Cavanaugh knows. He wasn't at a party that Dr. Ford has not decided she had been. She has been very clear that she doesn't remember which party it was just cavenaugh seems to remember apart. He wasn't at where he didn't do what he's being accused of doing it. This is why we need a hearing, but also I think judge cabinet has been credibly, accused an anyone Senator hatch included, who asserts that she should not be believed that she's mixed up, and the she's mistaken is is is really doing a disservice to all people, but particularly women, the make the hard decision to come forward with their stories. And Angela, let me ask you, Brad Cavanaugh says he's willing to talk to the Senate Judiciary committee quote, in any way the committee deems appropriate. Is there anything he could say that I know you oppose him on policy grounds and judicial grounds, but on this issue having to do with this, is there anything he could say. That would satisfy concerns you might have? Well, I think the challenges he's already said something right. He's unequivocally denied the accusations and following up on Simone's point. I think it's the strongest he could possibly be on it. He has denied any wrongdoing in this way. Any behavior that looks like this. I think the real challenges it sounds like he and his friends used to get really drunk and high school. And so from what I understand you get really drunk and I, I was a real good Christian. Jake. I did not have my I drink till I was for as about the only part of the good Christian I was, but I would say here, sorry, substantial degree. But I would say that I just wanted to it. I believe in true. The reality here is, you know, he has some really big rig flex to me, and this is just the latest one. This isn't the only one and I look forward to his testimony. It's not in any form in which the Senate Judiciary committee deems necessary. It should be public just like Anita, Hill's public twenty seven years ago. So listen to Kellyanne Conway this morning, trying to send a signal to everybody in the White House. Maybe even her boss about what she thinks the tenor antone should be about this accusation and the accuser. She should not be in future should not be ignored. She should testify under oath. Then she should do it on Capitol Hill that that's up to the Senate Judiciary committee. They need to decide the forum she should not be insulted. She should not be ignored. If you wants to testify, she shook. That is the right tone that is the right messaging, but it is not going to help judge now. Why? Because everyone that defended locker room talk from President Trump is not going to have credibility before the American people. So yes, he does have to defend himself on this and he has a significant disadvantage because he can't have the White House behind him because they are compromised on this issue. And so you know, I think he can make it through. I think he can be confirmed if no other evidence comes out. But if there is one witness that comes out, one more story, a picture, anything given the categorical denials that he has given. He has no wiggle room. So you were at the White House during the Clarence Thomas hearings. Now you work for the vice president, Dan Quayle. Does this remind you at all of that? I was actually very involved in the Thomas fight working with the team supporting Clarence Thomas, and I never thought I'd seen anything like that again. And here we are. You know these this allegation is more serious than the one eight is more serious. There. Like different ways. But I just think we need to have testimony from both of them and then see what other contemporaneous evidence or observers witnesses already decide and make us over Jesuit doesn't do any good at this point to speculate it's not fair to either person at this point to impugned either because you think Beck having drag to ultra because other people think that professor Ford should have come forward earlier. It's irrelevant at this point. Either. It's true or one professor Ford thinks something says something happened. Judge cavenaugh says it didn't. Let's door best to find out the truth. I to be cleared. If me there's no debate. I believe professor forward judge cavenaugh has lied multiple times. Darnold come on. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. I believe there's no chance. Work convinced by one allegation. Convince I'm convinced take because I lied about this the other day. But when I was in college, I was intoxicated and a man who I repeat previously. We bumped into Vance's multiple times took advantage of the fact that I could not consent one night and the next day he denied raping me, but that's exactly what he did. And if if he if he ever came came up for supreme court nomination, president United States or congressman or whatever. I don't care. It's been twenty years. Fifty years. I will come forward because I don't think anyone that has ever done that, whether it was once in their life or fifty times deserves to sit at the highest totally agree with that. I know because when you to come forward, she has, no, there's no enticements for her to come forward and to have her life to store to have folks sit on panels such as these and even others than have the Senate leader in the Senate. Basically tear down her character on the site that she's a liar. So there's no incentive for her to come forward except to tell the truth and expect to do do diligence. And so this isn't a criminal procedure. I believe this is okay. I think there's a ton of potential for gray area and this kind of scenario if he was stumbling drunk. Well, why did it stop? She say, stop, and then maybe he's got to speculate. This is why this is such a difficult situation and if you are going to south this confirmation, we need more information. Consented to issue. I think what she said in her ladder or what she has said in her lawyer is conveyed is that cavenaugh alleged on top of her. And then this other guy who's friend of Brad Kavanagh's Mark judge jumped on them and knocked him off, and then she was able to get out. I think that's that's how I would say. I think the one reason we're all where a lot of things could go wrong. Look, the letter is the letter is compelling in the sense that it doesn't look like something that was made up and because you puts in details to could or could not be corroborated was Mark judge in that room. They can probably do try to find out if there was such a party and so forth. So I, I am not in any way, questioning her motives or at this point saying that I know his tongue the truth, but this is we should really need to have the hearing, it really needs to investigate this. There are couple of observations I have the I is there were sixty five women. I'm who signed onto a letter attesting to the great moral character. Women who knew him back. And Chuck Grassley who we know, of course, has the judiciary committee released this letter without telling these women why they were signing onto this letter. Now after those sixty five women have signed onto what they found out what happened. Two of them have spoken up and so Bill, I would say to you, someone who I enjoy being on panels with all the time, even watching a response to Simone right now, the kind of this overbearing over talking of with women is exactly the reason why Anita hill had the kind of hearing she had when you were helping Clarence Thomas and the reason why a lot of women refused to speak up because not only I, I do believe in the criminal Justice system, but this is not a criminal Justice read. I'm not criticizing it for speaking. Just think we need to suspend judgment believe I'm saying, I don't know who to believe that's correct. I think. And you know what? That is very carefully to say that. I think I don't know who to believe. Okay. The reason for your even that doubt, that is exactly why this hearing this investigation everything. Thing about their testimony needs to be in a public. We also say it like it's very brave that you come out and I saw you did it on Witter also and told your story and share your story. We all know you believe you. I'm sure everybody here believes you. I don't know professor Ford. And so I think there are a lot of people who might just be. I want to hear what you has to say. I'm not saying she didn't do it, but I was polygraph Jake's. He's got therapists notes from twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. And some folks would say, why did it take her to twenty twelve and twenty thirteen? I have a cousin who just told us that she was molested and she's older now. It just I I don't know what the timing is. Thank God. I am privileged. I have never been subject to molest station or sexual assault. I don't know what that burden is like. But I would like for us to at least give these folks the grace to be able to come for whenever they do. I think so far that's come out of this and I'm very serious. The initial reaction when this came out a lot of conservative men that I follow on Twitter, we're like that was seventeen years ago. He was a kid. It doesn't matter and several ships. Yeah, deleted their tweets. And after they saw the wolfback in people explained what happened to fifteen year old girls can impact them the rest of their life. And they said, you know what? You change my mind. And so I think there has been greater understand even though we don't know what happened here for shore, the contacts where this party took place who could have seen it. There is more understanding of the situation. We all we all we, we're going to take a quick break and then come back and talk more. I'll come to you. I, I think we all agree. We want to hear more. She deserves day in court, will Republicans delay the cavenaugh vote. That's the big question right now. Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, supreme weighing in just moments ago. Plus the worst is yet to convert. 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Now, let's listen to Senator Susan Collins of Maine, ten that swayed sin important that there be very thorough interview and that we see both individuals respond to the allegations are awful lot of of questions, inconsistencies gaps, and that's why to be fair to both we need. We need to know what happened. It's my understanding that the staff is doing interviews or has proposed to do interviews, and then that I soon would be the prelude to some sort of here center Colin powder. Dr for I don't know enough about Dr Ford and heraldic Gatien. She had to reached that kind of judgment. That's why having the opportunity to observe her being questioned, redid transcript board and a deposition and make that kind of assessment is so important. Obviously, if Judge Kevin. Hi, has lied about what happened. That would be disqualified. Looked him on the phone. What did you say. One less. Last week, the judiciary committee staff and formed me of this latter. I read the letter at that point. We had no idea who had sent it, and I noticed the day to the ladder and wondered why the information had not been released. Long ago I asked judge Cavagnaud when I had my final hour, long telephone call with him on Friday about the letter and the allegations that it contained. He emphatically tonight that the allegations were true. He said that he had never acted that way. Not only with this unnamed accuser with any woman. He was absolutely. Emphatic about that. If this turns into just a, he said, she said, how do you make this decision? Then quite important that we have testimony under oath with a lot of questions says of both of should. Under the empty. I play. Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine and one of the key swing votes in the Senate when it comes to the cavenaugh supreme court. Nomination saying that both the accuser of Cavanagh and Cavanagh need to testify under oath about this incident that the accuser allegedly took place in around nineteen eighty to my panel. Still with me, Susan Collins seems to have an open mind wants to know what she says wants to know what he says. Your reaction. Collins has positions are south as someone who's a champion of women women's rights defender of women, but I can tell you the number of folks have been disappointed in the way she has handled the Cavanaugh nomination, particularly constituents. I think this is something that our constituents would like are happy to hear from her, but they'll be watching her. It's not enough to make these grand statements and gestures. If you're not going to back it up with action, what else the Susan Collins need to hear? And on this point. You know, Mitch McConnell made about regular bipartisan order and process. I'd like to remind everyone that after just judge scully's death, Mitch McConnell, kept that seat open supreme court seat that it was President Obama Seville for four hundred twenty two days. It's been forty six days since Justice Kennedy has retired. Why are we rushing? I did see something important in that club. She says, if he's lying, that's this qualifying if there's any wiggle room in his story. She's gonna vote against him. That's what she said in this clip. And I think that's important what I do not wanna hear Republican senators go on and on about is the timing. It's up to the woman who makes accusation to determine the timing that goes public. That said they should insent me saying if anyone else has any other formation needs to go public, we need to get it. Now we're gonna delay this for week. We went together as much information as we can because if someone else has information that could possibly change boats come to us now and then shut up and listen, just just to be clear. I'm gonna come right to the timing. Is that in July. Dr Ford, the professor told both her congresswoman and as you and her Senator Dianne Feinstein and also told the Washington Post about what had happened to her, but was not prepared at that point to come forward. And in fact, was not prepared until yesterday afternoon, and that's when the Washington Post broke the story. I was Susan Collins. I think that's kind of a real disservice to turn this into some kind of partisan fight, and whatever's whether Senator could have acted differently in terms of sharing the letter with others trying to persuade Dr Ford to come forward. It's now totally irrelevant. And I think Susan Collins is attitude is the right what Republicans from the White House. Through the Senate senators opinion should stop playing partisan games and say, let's try and find out the truth. The one thing I would add is I'm not so sure we won't learn. They'll both testify under oath. They'll be pushed on various details and so forth. There are others this, this other man whose lark judge judge denies it. He says, he says it didn't happen, but, okay, let's see him testify. Let's see him. Talk about that. And then there may be others who were have contemporaneous evidence that would at least shed some light. So let's have a serious proceeding. I think Susan's Collins, Susan Collins tone was right. I think Connell really did a disservice to judge Cavanaugh whom I'm told us mentally urged the White House very strongly to take the tone. They did take this warning with Kellyanne Conway to say, look, we cannot, you know, I, it's not true. I- Cavanaugh says it's to all of his friends. This is absolutely false. I never had this way, but we need to treat this respectfully and have and let the here and go forward and there there is a possibility. Angela, I wanted just want to say that that we don't ever find out more beyond the testimony of these two individuals. Both of whom may prove to be completely credibly saying what they think is the truth. And it's possible that there is no contemporaneous individual remembers her because professor Ford is already said. She didn't tell anybody until I think six years ago in in marital therapy. She finally said this achie- she went decades without telling you as you note. That's not so uncommon with providers of sexual assault. We might be in this exact same place in a week or two with two individuals. And and and basically I hate to say the cliche, but basically he said she said, yeah, and I think one legal standard, at least in in criminal in criminal cases is standard of reasonable doubt. And right now, there's reasonable doubt at least against judge Cavin on a reason why he should not go forward. I think the other thing that we should continue to press for our the red state Democrats to speak up to be brave for what they know is right. If partisanship was not at an all time high, if we weren't having these turf wars, I think the number of people would be able to say, you know what? There have been enough things that have happened in Kavanagh's proceedings for me to be uncomfortable in this again, is the tip of the ice for we cannot continue to proceed and just ram. This vote down the American people's throats. I think that final point I would make is this is a midterm election, and it's already very hot. So I wish they would. I wish they would continue down the same road knowing that this man is this potentially compromise. It is very, very bad. It's in bad form. It's in poor taste reason why we might need to. Yeah, game that out and say he withdraws and they nominate Amy Coney Barrett hoops beloved by conservatives. And that becomes midterm election issue. And then we're in this. I mean, I can see scenario where Republicans decide to abandon him and say, we're going to bet big on judges again at paid off a Republican in two thousand sixteen election. Let's go for it. To nominate someone who has to be withdrawn. It's not gonna. If you look, if choose not telling the truth, he will be abandoned and should be abandoned by Republican senators. If he's telling the truth that it becomes the evidence and his side, he should be supported. If as you suggest, it really remains a genuine uncertainty and dilemma than people have to make up their own minds think about. And I hate to put this in political terms, but we might as well. This time election will be decided by women, suburban, white women and black women, Latino women all over this country. I, if I, if I was GOP strategist, I would not be encouraging folks to put all their bets in the basket of someone that has been credibly accused at this point by over with guardless of whether you know folks in had that conversation, I guess about they wanna see more facts. But if I am a woman sitting in the suburb of of Georgia or in Ohio or Omaha, Nebraska district to care each. Minutes running to unseat Dan bacon. I'm looking at this seriously and saying. In this day and age, is this the treatment that women deserve this who we have put? I think I wanna send somebody else the congress. Everyone stick around how a memo the Kavanagh wrote in one thousand nine hundred eight might play into the accusations that he's facing today. Stick with us. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing in BA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. We tell stories on dates because dates or when we get to explain where we've been in, what we've seen in why we think like we do my name is Paul Shirley, and I hope you'll check out my new narrative podcast stories I tell on dates, you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Dr. Ford deserves to be heard to railroad vote. Now. Would be a deep insult to the women of America. A lasting scar. On the integrity of the supreme court that was Senate minority leader, Chuck humor just minutes ago speaking about the occupation against President Trump supreme court. Nominee Brett Cavanaugh Cavanaugh forcefully denies the allegations. I wanna bring in two of our legal experts lar- coach, let me talk to you. These allegations made by Christine Blasi for date back three decades. There was no police report. No charges ever brought according to her and her lawyer. She never told anyone about it at the time. It wasn't until six years ago in marital therapy that she, I raised the subject of this happening to her what might FBI investigation which Democrats are calling for what might even look like. Well, technically this happened in Montgomery County. That's Maryland, which would mean that there's no real limitations period for felony sexually assault. But this is a misdemeanor level which is maybe what she's going for in terms of the allegations. She is a scribe of them the mullet station of the groping her over our mouth that may arise to the misdemeanor level alone. Perhaps the FBI investigation will be the severity of the allegations are, but. You're absolutely right. Think about the delayed reporting. That's the number one hurdle that most sexual assault victims have to overcome. Why did you delay? What's your motivation? Why now? And why did you choose once he was on the cusp, perhaps of a greater level of prominence. All of this goes into the victim shaming and questioning or also real questions for investigators because they don't have all the facts and firm memories start to fade and they have to kind of put it in the scope of would've prosecutor right now have charged this conduct go it just that there are also facts that can be determined out there in in the world. She says there were four women and two men. There who were the four women whose house was at those are issues that can be determined apparently according to Orrin Hatch, Brett Cavanaugh said that he was not at that party. So he seems to know where the party took place. Let's talk to the people who live who live there. I mean, yes, it is a very long time ago. But it's not like you have to throw up your hands and just say, it's one person's word against the others. Investigators know how to do this and they can learn a lot more than we know now and Jeffrey. I want to decide there's this one thousand nine ninety eight memo from Cavanaugh who is at the time working for independent independent counsel Ken Starr and he wrote that he was strong strongly opposed to giving President Clinton, quote break, and the questioning about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. He wrote Clinton quote, he should be forced to account for all of that and to defend his actions that may not be our job to impose sanctions on him. But it is our job to make his pattern of revolting behavior, clear peace, clear piece by painful piece. I've seen a lot of people citing this in in on the web. What's your response? Well, in fairness to to judge Cavanaugh he seems to be saying, go ahead, ask me anything asked me about this event. Ask me anything about my past in terms of relationships with women. So yes, he is calling. For you know, ugly detailed scrutiny of of Bill Clinton when he was working for Kenneth Starr. But in fairness to him, it sounds like at least he's willing to subject himself to the same kind of scrutiny. And that's what actually should happen here, though. Gentlemen, I mean, you're talking about somebody who's looking to fellow position for the rest of his life, which means that before it is in tire, life should actually be on display about what to he is person. And frankly, just as he wasn't waiting to give Clinton a break. It makes sense somebody who is the head of the executive branches job. It is to enforce the laws would have to have himself held accountable. If he were to violate any principles or laws. Same thing for a judge you'd have to interpret and preside judgement over somebody else. It makes sense if he would have to account for it doesn't mean that he's guilty or innocent, but he should be tested. That's due process. Ask you because MandA talked about how some conservative men she saw on Twitter were initially writing this place when he was seventeen thirty five thirty six. And then they deleted that they started. It started to think twice is cut off. Do you think I mean, is it when somebody is fifteen sixteen or just does it depend upon the action? Let I think some of these same because I have felt that also some of the same folks, the believe in mandatory minimums and in four thing and and they believe that Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin got what they deserved. I think that if we are talking about, we have to remember that we're, we clearly are living in a broken culture. Every single day we are living in a broken culture culture that says, boys will be boys that sometimes that's just what happens a culture that forces some women to say, well, you now this just happened a lot of the time back in our day. This is unacceptable. And I am fortunate that we that in twenty eighteen folks speaking up and saying, this isn't how it has to be. And so we have to have a conversation about it and I do believe you have to talk for it. You have to be held accountable. If I told from store one hundred years ago, I'm not hundred but fell from fifteen years ago. I should. Have to. Didn't from the store. You should be able to clear self. Assume he's guilty because he's been accused trivia fair hearing, and I think Susan Collins, I give her a lot of credit for saying that if he's lying, it's disqualify. He's not trying to make excuses. He's not saying having thirty five year. She's not making speeches. She's not saying it happened thirty years ago. But I think we should take away from this situation if this take place. I'm not saying it did. Brad Kavanagh would probably not being the situation he is in today because he would have record that would follow him. And do people have different treatment who come from different kinds of families with lawyers in their families. Like this opens up a whole other conversation about how drastically his life could have changed. If he had gotten a car. Well, I just wanted this point out that there is still a lot of uncertainty about how this factfinding will unfold you. Notice when Mitch McConnell was talking about an investigation. He didn't mention public testimony. He didn't say there would be a public hearing. Susan Collins was sort of AIG about that. I mean, there are a lot of details to be worked out here. We'll the FBI be involved will this, in fact the under oath in front of the country at large, who else will testify Baha besides these, you know the, the two protagonists in this story. These are all very important questions. And what you could tell from McConnell statement is that he wants as small, narrow private investigation as possible, and that is not going to be acceptable to a lot of democrat, Angela. So a couple of things here they have already involved, Dianne Feinstein pastor letter to the FBI initially when she received it. I think that other part of this that we have to keep in context. Of course, they wanna hear both sides of this story. But we need to remember what will be before Brad Kavanagh if he were nominated to the supreme court, women's choice equal pay workers, right? And if he has a pattern and practice of demonstrating that he cannot ever side with women or that women are beneath him, I think that this is another piece of professional career he's had speaks to that. Yeah. While in the workplace favorably, actually, no. In fact, we can argue about the rulings talking about his professional behavior different. I'm sorry. But I think the other part of it is speaking of professional behavior in the the hearing where comma Harris was questioning him the way in which he chose to engage her is also telling damning. So I think I do have questions about how he engages with women professionally. Do have questions about how he would rule in cases that are about women's bodies. I do have questions about how he would side on women with for equal pay is choose affirmative action Shuba independent of what as to make his nomination today. Yeah, but it's not me because I think that there again, where I started was a lot of red flags exist to me. Yeah, but you can agrees you disagree with this policy, but what his nomination is a potential character issue. I agree. And what I just folk to was his professionalism, his character into the one. Different trying to talk about here is in a lot of these metoo cases, Harvey Weinstein, I could go on forever. We only have eighteen minutes left, but the the me too. There's been a trail of of men who have been who fallen because of they're disgusting past behavior in almost all of them. It's a pattern. You see more than one. What if nobody else comes forward, does that does that change things for you at all? Now I still think Dr. Ford, she is credibly come forward in my opinion. And I think the fact that she, I can't, I came out or not. I was anonymous, then came out on the record is now saying she's willing to testify speaks volumes. I hope if there is any, if there any other women out there, they do come forward. These women are probably some of the most powerful people on the planet right now. If you believe and you stand on side of Justice and you and you went to and you don't want to see this happened, anyone else you do not want to see to credibly, accused folks on the supreme court come forward, but even if they don't, I still think. That her merits sand on their own. Thank you want and all for that discussion, a rapidly rising death toll in the Carolinas as rivers. Swell is the worst from Florence on the way stay with us. Soccer fans are you? Tired of missing? Great UEFA games getting soul, crushing spoilers from friends, good news, reports, new VR live that helps you watch all UEFA champions and your openly gay funding because live should be live know what third party sites, cramping, your style? Scouring the internet for updates. Now with VR live super easy to get started. Download the app to be our dot. Live more live over everything in subscription purchase. Additional terms may apply authorities in the Carolinas warned that the worst may be yet to come from what was hurricane Florence? The now tropical depression is making its way north while the death toll was just increased to twenty one, three of those lives lost were babies because of Florence. Several rivers are running over their banks, cutting off cities such as Wilmington, North Carolina with no way in by car right now c. n. n.'s police and of all is inland in Lumberton North Carolina polo what our thirties worried about. Right now where you are. Exactly what you just mentioned. Jake, which is accessed floodwaters still remaining communities, North Carolina, including here in Lumberton Mary many interstates, and also some of these rows continue to be flooded. Even though in this particular city, the river has stopped rising. Keep in mind. Many people here in Lumberton have been through this before when hurricane Matthew swept through the area. Just two years ago, people have spoken to tell me that it's like history seems to be repeating itself. Deadly and deep floodwaters are rushing to the Carolinas days of rainfall, break one hundred forty year record in some places deaths continuing to mount, including one year old, Kate and Lee. Well, choose body was found this morning. Police say the baby was swept out of his mother's arms and she tried to pass through fast-moving water Sunday. She was a Springer to this community driving through this road. She did not know the water forced her off the road and across open field. There are ongoing rescue efforts across the region is water levels continue to rise. Lumber river outside of Wilmington invaded many neighborhoods still not yet recovered after hurricane Matthew two years ago, images shot by CNN show the devastation at ground level. Dozens who thought they had survived the worst of hurricane Florence. Now, suddenly reliant on rescue workers as they leave their homes behind people. Excited been praying for while some people pay for crime in some people are just like thank you Lord team searching for survivors, submerged trucks, hovering above flooded homes to airlift citizens to safety. This woman was stranded in her house for days without medication. One Myrtle Beach official tells c. n. n. quote, we are slowly becoming an island. Some citizens tried to make their way through flooded roadways by car and even canoe. Hundred year flood levels since is not a matter of hours days, it's matter of weeks and months and maybe years support, recover from the storm. Flood watches and warnings have now expanded to include ten states and nearly thirty million people. I'll looking at the Carolinas for signs of what may be coming next. Some areas have not seen the worst flooding yet. So this is a monumental disaster for our state. Widespread power outages continued to be a major issue just a little while ago I walked when you're by hotel where people there have been waiting to go into their homes Jason, the last five days they've been waiting there in the dark. Last point. I should bake here during Matthews for the hardest people were those who were struggling economically, which means they lost whatever little they had. And now here they are again, Jake, Paul, Sandoval. Thank you so much CNN's Erica Hill's in Fayetteville, North Carolina. We're flooding as posing a real threat to locals and Erica the river levels. They're keeping keeping locals on edge. They certainly are. And that's the major concern here. We're actually it's the Cape fear river that's just behind a steak and we send our drone up a short time ago just to give you a sense of what we're looking at here. So this is one area where the Cape fear river has certainly expanded beyond its banks. At this point, there is some flooding, but this is far from what we are expected to see tomorrow. The biggest concern is it's a pupil day here in Fayetteville. People have been cooped up for days with rain. One official said to me, you know what you should go outside folk should go outside. They should enjoy the sun while they're packing up their cars to move to higher ground. There are mandatory evacuations in place for the one mile surrounding both the Cape fear and the little river because that river feeds into the Cape fear what we're seeing from the sky to and even on the ground. A lot of the creeks that feed the Cape fear river are really contributing to the flooding. The river is expected to crest tomorrow morning at sixty two feet. Jake when it was Matthews turn, it was only fifty three. North Carolina. Thank you so much in our national lead how one woman's narrow escape led police to a border patrol agent turned accused, serial killer, stay with us. So many people around the world depend on CNN's quality reporting. Now they have incredible online store with clothes gear and gadget. Right now you can get fifteen percent off your purchase, just visit store dot, CNN dot com. And when you're checking out into the code CNN podcast, just one word and get a fifteen percent discount. It's that simple that store dot CNN dot com. Details just in about a US border patrol agent described as a serial killer and a woman's daring escape that led to his arrest. Juan, David, Ortiz confessed to killing four women in a two week time span in the Laredo Texas area near the US Mexico border Ortiz was a border patrol agent and supervisor who had worked for the deck agency for a decade as c. n. n.'s Ed Levin. Dera reports investigators, say, Ortiz knew his victims. Tasked with protecting our borders. One, David Ortiz is now instead called a calculating serial killer by police carried out these murders in a cold in callous. Wayne Ortiz. A thirty five year old border patrol agent is accused of shooting four women in the head. Darted all victims of Juta their profession and be vulnerable. In addition, all the victims were defenseless and at one point what these. Gain their trust and then viciously shot him. The killings came to light after a be fifth victim. Narrowly escaped investigators say that on Friday night one, David Ortiz ended up at this gas station with a woman named Eric opinion. Penny told investigators that they were talking about one of her friends named Melissa who had been found dead week earlier. That's when she says that the border patrol agent started acting weird when they got to this gas station, Ortiz investigators, say, pulled a gun on her and tried to keep you from exiting the vehicle. Penuell told investigators that she ripped off her shirt and ran toward a state trooper who was guessing his patrol car for help according to the arrest, warrant affidavit. Two of the four killings took place in the hours after pain you made her escape. But before police tracked him down in the parking garage of this hotel where they say he was hiding in the bed of pickup. Truck, police say, were tease confessed to killing four people between September third in the fifteenth. All. All the victims. Four women worked as prostitutes. According to investigators, their bodies were found over the past two weeks into thirties, fear. There could be more. We will do historical research every word that he has been to see it. We have a pattern of victims such as this and we'll continue the investigation as for Ortiz. He spent ten years with customs and border protection rising up to an intelligence supervisor after spending time in the US navy. Jake border patrol officials say, there is nothing in Ortiz's disciplinary record to raise any kind of red flags and investigators also say that or tease met with his victims numerous times. And that's how he developed a confidence and the trust of his victims before killing them. Jake eleven Dera on the radio, Texas. Thank you so much. Follow me on Facebook and Twitter. At Jake tapper you can tweet the show at the lead CNN. Our coverage on CNN continues right now with. This. 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Weekly Wrap: Supreme Court, Homecoming, & Gender Fire

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Weekly Wrap: Supreme Court, Homecoming, & Gender Fire

"This message comes from NPR sponsor, national cooperative Bank. Choose a Bank that shares your values, national cooperative Bank offers online checking and savings accounts that positively impacts communities more at NC dot coop, slash banking member FDIC. Hey, y'all. This is Don daddy this week on the show NPR business cards founded Alina Seljuk and the premium coin cards bonded for bus feet news, Chris guy. All right. Let's. Hey, y'all from NPR. I'm Sam Sanders. It's been a minute here with two guests today. Chris guide Nur legal editor, BuzzFeed news. How busy has your week been? It's been a league we've, but we we've had a lot of those recently. So that is true. That is true. Also here with Alina sell your business correspondent for NPR. Guessing you're week was pretty busy as well. Frady busy. Well, I'm so glad you both made the time to talk with me to wrap up the week of news, and I'm so glad to be playing the song with them playing three, both right now. It is a new well old, but new print song. It's called seventeen days. Yes day you. Home feel like I'm already ready for the weekend, just listening, right. Problem one, no turn the voice now. Wanna call you. So this is from an album of old Princeton that was released late last month, the albums called piano and a microphone nineteen Eighty-three and his. He's nine unreleased prince demos from way back then. And so the thing about this is that like these aren't the like finished versions of these songs. Caesar, the Dimos scratch tracks just prince at the piano playing the songs to show his band and his team, how he wanted to do the songs with the full band later. And there's really interesting moments in the song you can hear where prince starts to beat box to basically show the drummer how he wants to Trump's this out. How. It's just amazing. And so, but what's so weird about this? Is that like because he's demos, there are big questions as to whether or not prince wanted this released. Also famously fought during services like YouTube and Spotify. So the fact that you can hear these songs on those platforms. It's weird. I feel guilty here in this stuff, but I also love it. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's one of those those things. It's sort of like your journalist instinct is like, yes, we wanna see this people must know, but what he wanted people to know exactly. Break. Rake. Uh-huh. Anyway, Alina and Chris or here with me to look back on the week of news and culture and everything else. All right. First, we're going to start by having each of my guests and me to describe our week of news and only three words, Chris, you have been covering the opening of the supreme court's term this week. You've seen the current justices back on the bench you go, I yeah. I mean, we were in this strange position again of starting out of supreme court term with only eight justices. And the thing was that within the court, like it was a very different world from what we're seeing outside, and the three words were compromise for. Now you've got this truly for four court. There is no swing vote right now. You've got these four conservatives, these four more liberal justices and what it was is. That you saw different sorts of questions you use sauce? Sort of like one of the cases was about the death penalty, which in the past, his lead sort of Justice, Alito injustice, soda my or two to face off, rather rather strongly against each other. And yet during this case, it was sort of like, well, I disagree with your position and would like to understand how it is that you think this it was it was not nice. Yeah, it was. It almost felt like chief Justice Roberts was like, sat them down before the term began and was like, guys. We're in a tough spot right now. We all know it. Let's be at all. It's Lassie. Yeah. So what cases are on the docket for this new term? What are the big ones? It's sort of an understated docket. We don't have huge cases that everybody is going to be paying attention to at first and it really. Will depend on where the justices come down with their decision. One of the cases that that's gotten a lot of attention is this question over dual sovereignty, whether or not you can can face criminal charges both under federal charges and state charges. And this case has been focused on by a lot of people as like that if they get rid of dual sovereignty that that Trump will be able to part in people because there won't be able to be state charges against his associates. But the fact is that a lot of states already have rules that if you've been charged under federal, you can't face state charges, including New York. So then what I hear you saying is that right now, because the court is deadlocked four, two, four. It is a lot less political than it might be. Although what the US public is seen as as far as supreme court goes right now is just Cavanaugh Cavanaugh Cavanaugh which is. Very political. Yeah, it makes the position. I really think that last Thursday was a really bad day for the court that that was not a person who I can see on the supreme court. Like I, it was brazen out and out intentionally acrimonious partisanship. If you remember when when Justice Ginsburg like made those comments about Trump during the campaign, she actually did pull back and. Imagine that that was the result of a conversation with the chief Justice, Selena, what's your take on all of this? Is someone watching it, but not typically covering it? It's hard to say the memory of new cycle is extremely short these days. So I hesitate to say that if Brett Kavanagh becomes a new supreme court Justice that you know twenty years later, this moment in history won't be perceived much differently than you know, the Anita hill hearings. You know, fast as the thing that we kind of just shrug off now, right? So I hesitate to say that it will have some kind of transformative moment, but I also don't discount the possibility that it will be transformative moment. I just think we have to see how exactly that I'm a nation plays out. One big difference that I think is part of the change times is I mean, remember when Justice Thomas took the bench, there was. Only one other woman on the cord, and it was a woman appointed by a Republican president, Justice, Sandra Day O'Connor. I mean, after last week, right? If Brett Cavanaugh joins the court, he's going to be joining court with with three justices who I mean, I'm sure Justice Sotomayor has to say to have has some thoughts. Yeah, we should say here. We're taping this Friday morning, so you might hear this after we know for sure whether bread cabin has been confirmed for a seat on the supreme court. All right. I'm gonna go next. My three words are California versus Trump. And I say that because the issue that I geek out the most about his Indonesia Sakano talking about net neutrality Alina I love this stuff. The silence he hears me leaving the room, tired of talking about it as a tech reporter, but I'm gonna make talk about it just for a little bit. I'm bringing it up and talking about California because the Trump Justice department this week sued the state of California to block. California's new net neutrality law. The backstory is a few months ago. The Trump administration rolled back existing net neutrality rules and California. In response said, we'll make our own. I think before we go anywhere else with this, I'm going to let the tech reporter tell us in a nutshell what net neutrality is. So I think the line that I sent to you guys as someone said to me on Twitter, I think this week last week, I don't know. It's all weeks together these days is that new net neutrality for the tech reporters and the tech lobbyists world is like the internet version of hotel, California, because the issue has been going on for ten plus years. But anyways, the long story short is net neutrality rules when off the books in the summer and the net neutrality rules previously established internet service providers were not allowed to make your website load slower. They were not allowed to charge a little extra for slightly faster speeds, loading speeds. They weren't allowed to strike deals with like Netflix to get your Netflix slightly faster than your Hulu. Similarly, in California's case, what California brought back are all of those rules, pleasant addition, one other rule that prohibited like ver- Reisen from giving you access to Hulu that wouldn't count toward your data restrictions. So basically California. Saying these ISP's these service providers can't play favorites, which is the basic kind of in a nutshell what neutrality means. I like to describe it as how much power should your internet service provider have over your internet experience. So then so California puts these rules in place on the state level. The Trump DOJ sues. But the bigger point for me is that this is yet another example of California showing a type of resistance to Trump that may not be the first thing that we think about when we say the word resistance. Like we say that word, we think of people on the ground protesting, but there is a resistance. So the Trump White House coming from state houses, Chris, what does this kind of legal resistance? How effective is it? I mean, a lot of it is from the it's from California AG Sarah, it's from New York AG, Barbara. Underwood. Also there have been. In some some counties, Santa Clara county in California, San Francisco county. You basically have always had this. I mean, if you remember all of Texas lawsuits against oppa Dhaka under the Obama administration, this has been the the way for the ages of the other party of the president to sort of try and say, we're back to our dual sovereignty. It states trying to say, we want to do our thing and we should be allowed to do. So is that more effective than protesters? Just on the ground saying, stop Donald Trump. I mean, they think they're two totally different things. They think that the reality of what Trump has done has led to a lot of lawsuits that probably regardless of the the environment on the ground, democratic Agee's would've fought back against. But the fact is that in a liberal state, you cannot go wrong right now by Donald Trump. Putting your name. Yeah. By getting a lawsuit, that is your name v Trump so more to come for. Sure. Alina. Do you have three words? Do my three words are up to fifteen and then it was about, okay, that's about Amazon money. Yeah. Dollars. So Amazon made huge waves this week announcing that the company will raise the minimum wage for its lowest paid workers up to fifteen dollars. So this is mainly for warehouse workers. And this is big because I don't know if you knew this, but Amazon is now the second largest private employer in the United States really who's the first WalMart. So one Amazon's number two. And this change will affect by Amazon's estimates, three hundred and fifty thousand workers this year. A lot about a third of them are are expected seasonal hires. And did you know what the federal minimum wage is? It's seven dollars and twenty five cents like, okay, so this is much higher than that. It's like w. It's remarkable to me. I mean, thinking how how long it's been since I had my first job and it hasn't changed that much change. And actually I remember it was five something when I was just starting. Yeah, bumped to seven while I was still like an adolescent, but it's been there for a long. Yeah. So my question though, Elena is like, is it fair unfair that I saw this news from Amazon and said, oh, well, it's also a PR ploy. You know, they've had some critique of their business practices how they treat employees. They've had some critique over the fact that Jeff Bezos is so rich while their employees are making some eleven dollars an hour. Is this a thing that Amazon had to do for some good PR as well? I think the PR is it convenience element to this to give you an example Senator Bernie Sanders has spent many years battling for higher wages for minimum wage workers and has and fighting Amazon, like he's been coming Amazon. Out for a while now introduced a Bill that's called stop bazo act that specific. Yeah. And on Tuesday, when Amazon came out with this announcement, I talked to Senator Sanders and his line was gotta give credit where Credit's due in Amazon and Jeff Bezos made the right call. It's a good decision. So it's yes, Biard is definitely part of it. And another really huge element to all of this is that the Konami is presenting an extremely tight labor market. There are more job openings than workers. Amazon is heading into the season. Holidays are coming up. They're going to be fighting for these workers the they need, but also WalMart needs and best buy needs and all these other retailers need. And you know, having a fifteen dollars minimum wage in this, this bump in coverage of that, I'm sure can't hurt some attract workers. Well, I could talk about Amazon all day issue. No Alina. Let's do it. This is. All right. It's time for a break. When we come back, I'm going to talk with two high school students in Texas and their friends nominated them to be on the homecoming court, but they're both young women in this adopt a bit of a firestorm. You're listening to. It's been a minute from NPR. We'll be right back. Support for this NPR podcast and the following message come from dot com. 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Sometimes life is exactly like movies, thirty second base at d. minus. Planet money podcast about the economy in sometimes about rocket ships. We are back. You're listening to. It's been a minute from NPR the show where we catch up on the week. That was here with two guests this week, Chris guidance, legal editor at BuzzFeed news and Alina Seljuk business correspondent for NPR. I have a question for you. Both be honest. Do either of you remember your homecoming from high school? I've only been to one because I was an exchange student, so I remember it extremely vividly, but it was also confusing because I had never known that such an event existed. It was very strange. Uh-huh. Chris, I think I went. I was I was a closeted gay boy in Youngstown, Ohio. So I went with girl and I, I know I went like homecoming and prom, but they were not the notable life moments that they are for some others. I remember going to prom. Junior and senior year, but I remember the homecoming dance. I was in marching band, so we finished, you know, the March man stuff for the game. I walked in the homecoming dance. It was like into like main hallway of the high school. And then I was like, I don't want to do this and I went right home. I literally three months anyways. I'm bringing up homecoming because it's the subject this week of our long distance call. Listeners, you know, long distance as a segment where we call up someone somewhere in the world and talk with them about the news. So this week I talked with two students from Austin high school in my home state of Texas, their names Celia McBride in story Dorn Saif. I asked them about their homecoming story, though. Your average teenagers in the high school band Cecilia plays marimba stories in the color guard. So where are you both? Now we're both hiding in a corner near Art Van hall. So fun fact, I also was in marching band when I was in high school, I am from Texas just about an hour south that you guys, where did you go? I went to jets in highschool for two years into Clemens high school in shirts for two. No, I was a saxophone player. I was a drum major, so I am having fond Fanfani thoughts of my days hiding in the corner. Just play Jetson at a competition on Saturday. Really small world small world. Yeah, it's Soviet in story. There are a couple and their friends nominated them to be on the homecoming court. We honestly just wanted the opportunity to win together from. We didn't have to win together. But I mean, we didn't even have the chance or at least originally we did Sicilia wanted to run on the homecoming court as a king, but the school administration told her that only boys can be Keen's in only girls can be queens. Cecilia story said that this made it impossible for gay couple to actually win together. They pushed back in the school actually changed the rules that same day they decided to have no ginger titles in the homecoming contest, no canes, no queens. Everyone on homecoming court would just be known as quote royals, but that didn't make Celia in story happy. It's definitely step forward, but it's another way of owning knowledge ING. Same sex couples story. How do you feel about this? They were overcompensating rather than just including and that while it shouldn't have been, if Jim, they should have just made it. So you voting for two people regardless of their gender that I got chose, whether or not they were denounced the king or Queen or anything in between and it was up to them. It wasn't up to the school to say, we're going to take out couples. We're going to take out genders one couple months to run together, a spokesperson for the school told us, quote, we can say that we believe the resolution is an appropriate. One Austin independent school district is committed to creating a safe supportive environment for all students and staff, including those who identify as LGBT two plus since the chain. Cecillia in story have been dealing with the fallout this student support them, but don't like the outcome there pretty much saying plate as we are when they say that they don't think that the school did what they should have done. They. Don't like the new policy. It isn't what homecoming is supposed to be about outside Austin, people that are hearing about the common online. They're not very positive was been the worst kind of comments. Then mostly basically saying that were that were. Networks snowflakes in the rescue special treatment and that this is exactly what they would've expected out of electing a same sex couple is that they would ruin homecoming for everybody else. People really think this is gonna ruin homecoming movie. And did up taking away the whole homecoming tradition. Gotcha. Is there going to be other stuff that you all go through throughout this year, your senior year, right? Yeah, that will have to. I mean, like there's probably going to be other gendered roles for other senior year traditions as well. Like, is there going to be a situation when it comes to prom? Kane and Quyen. What happens next? Yes. Actually, one of the teachers that has been talking to us throughout this whole issue mentioned offhandedly edgy joke. She was like, I can't wait for what we get two prong them like were running Don King and Queen how to ensure now. Oh my goodness. So there may be more drama ahead before the years done. Plea. So these two young women still in story, they've been dealing with this fall out some students support than others don't like the outcome. The votes actually aren't done yet. That's going to happen next week. But this story really made me think like Austin, Texas is a pretty progressive city, not just for Texas but for the country. And so you have the school administration that is trying to in some way an allied to these young women. But even they can't figure out what the right language is, what the right terms should be. I think we're in this period where defining and letting gender roles be more fluid can be confusing for some people. I just celebrated my forty first birthday, and one of the things that I've learned is like that means that I'm getting older and I'm not going to necessarily understand how a younger group of people is looking at. Things. And I mean, we could have been having this same conversation twenty years ago and somebody saying like they're trying to be supportive. Why aren't they okay with just being known as friends? Why? Why? Why do we need to talk about the fact that they're a gay couple and that they're together like that's like talking about their sex lives. There has have always been these issues about how we use language and what it means. And the fact is that older people have often been confused about how younger people want to use that link and what is satisfactory to them and what is offensive to them. It's yeah, it's hard to. Yeah, it's hard to know that if you're not in that circle, speaking of offensive, how offensive or ineffective was your homecoming dress Alina as an exchange student? I'm trying to remember what I wore. I do remember the prom and I wore a fedora and I regret that. I very much regret that. I don't remember what I've worked for homecoming. I do remember the homecoming game because it was my first ever American football game and so confusing. None of it. But I wore the colors and I. So I do remember my red t-shirt and red and black were our colors that went to Lincoln, Nebraska. Oh, I wanna see pictures of the fedora victors. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Listeners we would love to call you for our long distance segment. If you got a story that you want to talk about with us, Shuman Email at Sam. 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I talk with people who make amazing work. Greta, gerwig arrow Loris ace app for the conversations are real and funny. Take you somewhere. Unexpected. Find bullseye with Jesse. Thorn on NPR one for wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to. It's been a minute from NPR the show where we catch up on the week. That was, I'm Sam Sanders here with two guests. Lena Seljuk business correspondent for NPR and Chris guidance legal editor at BuzzFeed news. It is time for my favorite game who said that. So Alina you're an old pro at this game. Basically, I will share three quotes from the week. You can guess who said it or what story I'm talking about or a key word. I'm not a stickler and the winner of this game gets absolutely nothing. Oh, good. It's going to be great. It's gonna be great. Ready for the first one. Okay. No. Well, here we go. Here we go. We'll try it. I quote, I cannot deny that women made a great achievement. Over the past century, there is significant progress recorded by people who study women's status throughout history. Is it something Nobel prize early? No, not at all. Did either of you see any headlines about a really weird article in an inflight magazine, this guy? Yes. This was the drew Barrymore article. Yes, Joe, you got it. Got it. So in Egypt, airs inflight magazine this month, there was an interview with drew Barrymore, but it turns out the entire interview seems to be fake. I'm sorry what she never spoke to them and they just made it. So when reached for comment drew Barrymore's PR team said that she never did the interview. Egypt Air is not backing down from this interview. They say it was. Conducted by the former president of the Hollywood Press Association. But the thing is, when you read the interview, the English is very bad and it just does not at all. Seem like a kind of conversation that drew Barrymore would give I have to. I have two questions. Question one is, did they just interview someone else that they confused with drew Barrymore and if if they actually made up the whole thing that why did they make up an interview with drew Barrymore, there were pictures and everything pictures. It was very. So like they talk about drew Barrymore before they get into the quotes from her. The fake quotes from her in the articles opens up this way. Literally quote, despite the several unsuccessful marriages. And despite the busy life of stardom that dominated her life for several years, the beautiful American Hollywood actress drew Barrymore has recently decided to temporary, take an unlimited vacation to play her most crucial role as mother. Did they just look up? Some other drew Barrymore and convinced themselves than this was this was legit. There's a version of this article that also appeared in another airbag publication, which raises the possibility that those quotes had been translated from English to era bec- than backed and English, but that just makes it even crater. This is a crazy story I've seen in the last few months, like make your own adventure make your own interview. So Chris, you're up one zip who would have thought for thing. So proud of you second quote is just tell me what it's about what what the story keywords are. The quote is sometimes your child's gender identity is actually fire and like star in the lion Kane, Honey, you'd better be prepared. I'm sorry, what? What story this week involved, fire and babies and child's gender identity? Oh, it's the guy who said the we're doing was doing gender. Veal party and set the whole force on. Good job Alina that's all I have about that story executives. It is. He was a border patrol agent. Is that what it? He's a border patrol agent. He was off duty. His name is Dennis Dickey. He's from Arizona, and he says it was all a mistake. What he wanted to do was shoot at this target that contained Tanna, right, which is explosive. So that when he shot the Tanner, it would explode. And you would see this explosion of blue or this explosion of pink and that would reveal the child's gender. The explosion was too explosive is started a fire that got so big fire got so big gotta name the sawmill fire nearly eight hundred firefighters had to fight this fire consumed more than forty five thousand acres of land and cannot. I definitely did see that story. Knowing that I just passed, I had no idea that there was a whole quote in the story about the gender, Yang fire well, so that actually was from a humor writer, Eric Thomas, he wrote kind of a parody article about this story l. magazine and he kind of made us all chuckle about how absurd these gender reveal parties can be. Yeah. I mean, it started with cakes and then it'd progress into like balloon releases out of boxes, flags flying in the sky, and there was one where this father had an alligator for the gender reveal party, and he had a watermelon that he put in the alligator's mouth in the watermelon was filled with either blue or pink die. So when the alligator bid down on the watermelon, the pink or blue color would lose out of the watermelon to reveal the gender is not a word I want to hear about Theriault part. I don't get it at all. And like I want to understand and I try to undermine. Stand. I don't understand. It's a party. You know, it's it's a reason to celebrate a get it again alligator a department, but the right of it is. I mean, a lot of people go overboard planning parties, so fair that, okay. We're tied up tied one to one. Okay. This last one is for all the marbles. You ready? Okay. The last quote is every night. The cue for donuts is unbelievable lights, noses, pollution and horns. All streets blocked and all cars honking at once all night every night. What's that about? Who said that? Where is it? What about you? Said, donuts donuts, I said, donuts. What kind of donuts? What's which brand done? Dunkin Donut, not Dunkin crispy cream, yes. Yes. Are there any other donor. Any other designers that's, but those are like the only do like chain, wait, what's the creams? Go k. crispy creams doughnuts made news across the pond, a town in Ireland called Blanchardstown, a suburb of Dublin. They got a new crispy cream with the twenty four hour drive through and the twenty four hour drive through it. They crispy cream was so rowdy. They had to shut it down. So that quote was from a resident from this place. Blanchardstown talking about how the noise from the drive thru line for these crispy cream donuts has been too much hundreds of indoor donuts. No, here's the thing. People would be in line for the donuts, but they would keep honking their horns. I think that's tape. Good, good, good call there. Another resident said since the grand opening, they haven't had proper sleep at night. Are we talking about like at like at bar closed, like Taco Bell, but like they were going for crispy cream at like three in the morning, I think so. I mean, if I could go get crispy cream, donuts, twenty four hours a day. I'd probably be there were some weird hours too, but I've never in my life honk once when I met a woman who sat in front of a crispy cream for, I think close to three days to be the first one in. So she could get a lifetime supply of crispy cream donuts for herself and her family. They are good donuts doughnut for a lifetime supply. I get that get behind that. Like random Friday night needing to Hong my horn before I get it. You know what this means. You wish you one. Mike grand prize of nothing. Not even a crispy cream. That might be arranged earrings. 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Women Warriors: Pamela Toler & Carol J. Adams

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Women Warriors: Pamela Toler & Carol J. Adams

"I mean I let's put out a shoutout to this incredible bookstore that I wanna sleep in. According to Pamela Toler, the best stories, aren't found and fiction or myth, but history as shared and shaped in the telling the historian, and author of heroines of mercy street, the real nurses of the civil war joins us in the stacks to shed light on the unexpected history of women warriors, her recent world history of lesser known, but often central figures on the battlefield from the most famous woman warrior in European history. John of arc who story writes, Toler serves as an exceptional standard of women in combat in most people's minds to buffalo calf road woman, the Cheyenne warrior, who knocked Custer off his horse. We take a survey of such larger than life as we know it characters that fought Toler expectations every step of the way, along with a few other books on warrior woman that helped her to keep going. I'm here with Pamela Toler historian, coop member and author of no, fewer than eight books, most recent of which is women warriors, an unexpected history. And I guess unexpected is right. We'll we'll touch on that. I wanted to start though by asking it seems to me that your, your project, your career is in writing, maybe alternative or unexpected histories. But also in a more. We're, we're sometimes needlessly afraid to say accessible way sensible pros that seems like such a cool mission. What about history mix you excited to bring it or present it to more general audience at some level? It's the best stories are. I apologies to all my friends who write novels, but. They're wonderful stories, and it's just a shame that so many people say, no, I hated history in high school, then I fell into history really early. And even though he went the academic route, I got the degree. I knew pretty early on that I really wanted to write history for a broader audience wanna be Barbara Tuchman when I grow. Pretty well. And so what was. That kind of motivation in mind, what then made you not only present history for broader already, but present less disclosed or less familiar history to that product that would seem like something, we'd expect for a more niche or maybe more academic crowd? And it's just those are the stories that have frequently interested me. But also, I think we do really badly at that by and large, we don't do very well at seeing history from another point of view, or knowing other cultures history. And I've got a blog where I write stories from history. And I so often find myself saying, I was really shocked to discover I didn't know anything about this, I go to Chile and realized that I don't have any feel for that history at all. So I spend a lot of time trying to just turn around and look at it from another perspective. So that sometimes even familiar stories take on a really unfamiliar twist when you do that before we're going to what you, mean and have learned about women warriors, I wanna start with just the term warriors which just as you're saying as turn that as. Spent more than eight seconds. Thinking about I realize I know very little about we think about, for your, I think about warrior, in terms of these kind of male, we're predominantly, masculine archetypes warriors. I know in terms of pose in yoga, I believe, but that's about the extent of it. So where does this term warrior, come from, how is it maybe different than soldier fighter one way? It's different from soldier is a lot of these women who fight don't fight in what we think of as a regular army. In fact, one thing that I found fascinating is that the places where that are most that are most friendly to women who fight in military sense are not places with regular armies. They're not large empires than they are. Tribal places they are on their cultures. They are nomadic cultures there. So that we're your has a very different context than soldier. I think, and it almost ends up having a metaphorical sense here. Just even though I really didn't want to be women for whom fighting was a metaphor. I mean, these are actually women who either are holding a weapon or are leading force will you, you talk about that in some of these books that you presented for us of your bibliography books that interested you or in some way shape, the writing of women workers, the book warrior queens, for example, you talk, that's warrior queens, by acclaimed biographer. Antonio Fraser, who wrote about her own life with Nobel prize winning play. Right. Heroes Pinter, two decades, after the publication of warrior, queens for, which she was congratulated by Margaret Atwood for rescuing women like Cleopatra is. Of Spain, and Indira Gandhi India's first and so far only female prime minister from their own kids, you talk about it sort of use of story, largely created, you know, these sort of largely male created tropes, where they present women warriors, these kind of larger than life figures, almost metaphorical, figures another book on your list that we have. Here's the Amazon's lives and legends of warrior, women across the ancient world by mayor, which you point out sort of combines mythology with history. In order to tell a true account of women warriors. So there's two that are kind of using metaphor or story differently, and I'm curious as a historian, how does story, help either shape and or complicate our sense of history. In so many ways that part of it is a lot of what most of us, hold as history kind of, in our guts, is what I end up describing this comic book history, and just because it's history that's boiled down to this simple emotionally, resonant form and people who don't remember any dates or the names of any bills, or even maybe the names of wars of the American civil war, and the revolution from history, will remember, these tight little historical, then yet s- that may have some truth in them, even if they aren't literally true. I mean. I mean. Lincoln did not the Gettysburg address on the back of envelope and just to liberate brilliantly off the cop. We have drafts that he wrote marie-antoinette did not say, let them eat cake, but those stories we remember and they hold the emotions in the imagination said, if you want to readjust those in any way you need to tell stories yourself. You need to bring people to life as best you can and sometimes with the characters that I'm dealing with here. Women I'm dealing with that's hard to do because we don't have much, and we certainly in many cases don't have access to what they thought or why they did what they didn't particularly in the past. And why, why is that? Why don't we have? Someone like Boda who rose up against the Roman empire in Britain, she comes from a non literate culture. So what we know about her is written. Several generations. If not one hundred years after the fact by Roman men Buddha, by the way, it was a Celtic Queen who led the Celtic. Tribes of Britain in revolt against Roman rule, and famously said win the battle or perish that is what I will do. So a lot of times particular for the ancient world, we don't have the women's words, what we have our men's descriptions of what they did often written after the fact and often written by the descendants of their enemies, so shapes it in very clear things out, and very decided ways, I would mention too, right? Is are these stories these, these characterizations of, of female empowerment female warrior? However, we might describe that is that something that we see more often with women than with men. I'm thinking about, you know, powerful women in Greek mythology and drama, Dr Antigone years, so forth, and then leading up into the present tense of the twentieth century Rosie the Riveter, even in Quinton Tinos killed Bill series. We have the bride who's one of the most fierce warriors, I can think of, you know, but is that depiction of, of women in combat as sort of fictional characters? There's something we see more with women than with men. Wow. I think we are more apt to see fictionalized. No, I I'm not sure that's true. Actually, but we will see a higher percentage of almost archetypal or mythological figures, because we're often not recognizing the historical figures blindspot. Yeah. And the other thing is that often, historically, people will look at the myth, and we'll untangle the truth of the male character, and then say that the fight against clearly didn't exist in do that. So I guess it's a blind spot, and it's an imbalance. I wanted to ask about a couple of other titles here under list. One is the title women armies and warfare in early. Modern Europe by Johnny. Lynn, the second which you described his hands down the best discussion of the uncomfortable relationship between military history and gender studies. Can you save more vote with that relationship is sure? I mean, in some ways, there's a never the to shell meet feeling too, that by, in large military history has been an all-male bastion and it's nothing only written by men, but they're typically only looking at men whereas gender history is real gender. Studies are really beginning from very different theoretical place those two academic fields. Don't attend the same conferences. They don't have the same theoretical rounding. They don't start from the same place. And what Lynn does that I think, is enormously interesting is he reaches out to. Women's studies people to gender studies people and says, tell me what you do. Tell me how you think, look at what I've written and tell me where I missing the places that you think about where am I not asking the questions? You would ask of this material and he acknowledges that it's new for him. He acknowledges that it's uncomfortable for him. He apologizes for when he didn't get it, right? Without knowing where those places might be, and even though his is one of the first books that really does that. I don't know that those two worlds have meshed any more easily now than they did then. But it really is a very careful look at, at this whole. The bridging together as the two very disparate approaches an an another attempted research with basis. And humility, it sounds like wonderful starts just in the Donna, Sheehan book. I mean, I picked it up because I wanted some facts and instead, I found almost strongest, they're radical discussion anything. I read in the course of working on this. Another book that you say really helped to shave your kind of working definition of women warriors was the military leadership of Matilda of Canossa. Mathu who's? Matilda. Matilda canossa. She sometimes also called Matilda Tuscany. She's in twelfth century, Italy. And she she inherited. A major section of lands that crossed the roads between the holy Roman empire and the papacy at a point where those two entities are in a major dispute, and she ends up coming down on the side of papacy the papacy, but she's literally in the middle, she's not just in the middle in the electrical political terms. She holds the roads and for twenty years, she was the primary military support of three successive popes in military battles with the holy wrote with a single Holy Roman Emperor Henry V about the it's called the investiture controversy. It's really a conflict between the two that's literally over who has the right to choose the ships. And other figures in in specific areas. But it's also a battle over who has the difference between secular and religious thority, which is going to come out on top. Matilda's a major political political military figure in Shasta was a military commander for forty years. Which you just don't expect and Hayes describes says that he thinks she may. In fact, be the most skilled military commander of the time and just to put that in context, she's a little bit younger than William. The conqueror took we tend to think his pretty skilled military commander, and they're actually untouched. She actually sends him an embroidered where banner that she murdered herself. So she could do that. William, the conqueror probably didn't do embroidery on the side, right? Forth, ought to send it to somebody, his gift Mitchell does a pretty interesting character. She just fought me every step of the way every chapter I tried to put her in. She just took over and she ultimately ended up in a little section of her own. Until the warriors who else in the book, can you can you enlighten us on give us just the briefest of maybe teaser trailers to, to look forward to reading the book woman, named Kiani who was Alexander? The greats older half sister and led armies in her on, right? That one that one kind of knocked me off my chair when I discovered her. Who else it'd be intriguing? Unexpected. How is that we hear all the palm circumstance of Alexander? The great turns out he's gotten older half sister that just not even a little. It's not like classicists don't know about her. I mean she shows up in the texts. And she actually goes into the field as part of the. The inner shuffling. That happens is people try to gain control of his empire after his death she's involved in that. She dies in that, but yeah, but amazing you hear about Alexander the great, but unless you're in that narrow little world that reads those particular texts you don't know about her. Another one baffled, buffalo calf road woman, schon where you're who fought at what we tend to call the battle of Rosebud river, the schon, call it the battle, where to curl saved her brother. And then she also fought at little Bighorn. So again, someone you don't care about even though. You know about that footnote, the battled loop regarding maybe a footnote, depending on the kind of book, you're reading. Writing the book. Exactly where you're with all of these different characters real and, and born of myth. What matters about the role of the woman warrior, about the woman in combat the woman carrying a weapon is as you put it. I think why is that figure important? Impart. It's big. 'cause there is this assumption that she doesn't exist or the only in what John, Keegan who is really important. Military historian, basically the only one that women didn't fight except for a few insignificant exceptions. And then he said, and then they never in any military since men. The question is, how many exceptions, do you have to have before it starts being an exception and looking at women in this way you in fact, see that they're not exceptions over the course of time, even if they are in the specific place. So it's important just for remembering that women did fight as part of our own ongoing discussions about women in the military, but it's often also important because it's part of this bigger since putting women back into history. You know, you add half the population back in, and it changes the story. And that's true of war as well. As math or any of the stem issues. Absolutely. All these male dominant disciplines, or, or scenes that we think of as we're still waiting for him to come on the same. When, in fact it's, it's all ready happened. We just haven't been told narrative route. And when you are told they're not there, then you don't see them. The other issue. Thank you so much for speaking. Thank you. Well, if you want a counter to Toler approach the front table has you covered with Alex Rosenberg's latest from MIT press. How history gets things wrong the neuroscience of our addiction to stories which argues that will never comprehend history as long as we continue, turning it into a story food for thought, which will hear more of later, in this episode from feminist vegan, advocate Carol j Adams, but I looked past the frontier with coop. Assistant manager Atlanta Jones in search of what remains and why when good books go on sale. What's expensive book that I've wanted to buy recently? Thinking and being book I was interested in. This is good thinking in being and thinking about the price and being astonished at how expensive it is. A lot of people, that's a lot of money including me. So I think a common misconception insight really a misconception. I don't know if it's misconception, but a common thought when you enter place, any books are really, but especially perhaps a place like the seminary, call that specializes in titles from university presses which we won't get into now. But are often for reasons known and unknown very expensive. A lot of labor time a lot of research time, and a lot of editing time that goes into the production of university press book Leinna as, as a book editor as well. Precise insight into that. Is that right? So you really know why we're ascribing this value to books, or is a reason thera. You can always tell when there's a paid copy editor on board with a project, and it usually makes the book better. But there's also you know, if you're talking about works that are either in translation or that have passages that have been translated as part of the research. There's translation fees. There's foreign rights fees and stuff. So there, there really are a lot of things tied up in the cost of university press book, which is not always apparent the casual browser. We're here today not to talk about it's the front tip where we're standing now. But also at the front of house front of store, some books, that are marked down, and you're going to tell us why and what those books are called. Yes. Exactly. Yes. It's the remainder carts. This is just an abandoned cart, but I've put some remainders on but yeah here at the front of the star. We have various sales sections. Some better signed than others. And I just wanted to point, you around the different things that we have in reasons why they may have ended up here on sale, despite us. You know, fully valuing the book, this is not trying to undercut anyone this is not trying to light out some form of labor that's gone onto the book. There are other reasons why these books are lower price, so to these I pulled brand Luther Andrew pedigree from penguin, press, and EastWest street from Naf by Philippe sands got a couple of these in this category. Alexei of secondhand time, of course, Nobel prize literature, and then another Luther book Martin Luther renegade in profit. Throwing a boat here. What's wrong with Luther? He's all he's just remaindered all over the place. He's a controversial guy. But both these Luther books were massive when they came out in hardcover, and now here we have renegade improv Lindahl Roper from Random House that one is marked down from forty two nine ninety eight and despite having are fantastic sales here in hard cover. I think what happened to this is probably they pushed out the paperback for both of these Luther books sales have been going so strongly in hardcover paperback comes out that immediately, people want the paperback rather than the hard cover and despite the really high and quick sales. The publisher has a lot of hardcover stock that needs to get turned over to somewhere else wants the paperback comes out, and our customers are allowed to kind of take advantage of that, by getting this heart markdown hardcover stock that the publishers trying to they're trying to make room in their warehouses for, for the paperback or new brand new releases Luther. Not having that hard time of it led to the reformation hardcover book sales looking good. So good. In fact, that the publisher had faith in Luther enough to print more copies than than upping necessary. Right. Okay. Yes. And then there's the. This new stock of books that we are just in the process of cycling out onto our into our sale sections. These are stock from the Indianapolis Christian theological seminary, which had a fantastic bookstore attached to it for many, many years and believe the bookstore. Portion of it was closed down late last year early last year. Sorry, late last fiscal year in our books. And they were looking for a place that the stock could go and still be, you know, shared among people who really value it. So we brought their inventory up here to sell and a lot of it is, you know, older additions of things things I have some, you know, yellow pages some shelf ware, but as you can see lane Pagel's for aid, totem taboo, William James varieties of religious experience. These are prime books that still have a big audience. So we were able to bring them in and sell them at sale price, much to the benefit of our customers. Two and it's speaking in misconceptions this afternoon. But another understandable misconception. Is that the seminary Cobb is, in fact, attached to a seminary, which one point our history, we were, but no longer we still have. However. Notable theology section and then world religion section. So these books do have a home here that books like this with the continuing closing most Christian bookstores no longer do one more that I wanted to point out here is a book called an history of the corruptions of Christianity into volumes by Joseph Priestley would definitely sounds like a made up off their her religious book. But this is from a so-called publisher called forgotten books, and they do a lot of basically FEC simile reprinting books that are in the public domain. So as you can see this is more or less a digital scan of a manuscript from many decades ago, not sure when but you know that the S's look like Fs it's old enough that, that that's happening. And you got that thing it's not even a key on a keyboard anymore. Coffee stain or fake blood or anything like that. It's probably -mongst blood. Yeah. So these will be a digitally scanned and then printed up with this horrendous cover any any book that you get from forgotten books is going to have this torn kind of manuscript and half leather bound cover with a seal. Really, just pay a graphic designer like ten more bucks to make it better. But as which is this is unsurprising, but they are non-returnable because they're just printed as one off someone replaced, the book, they print it. And I mean it's fantastic, that these things are out in a veil -able in the world. So it's fantastic that these books are made available out into the world. But when we when we do bring them into the store because they're these one off printings of these books in the public domain. We once we buy them, we have them pass them onto a customer. So sometimes they. Until there. Yeah. When you put it in their back when. Exactly. Yeah. So sometimes as with any book, that's on our shelf for a long time. It just needs to find a new home mclearn shelves forgotten until it's forgotten again. Which I did. And we had to turn the recorder back for exactly. Yeah. Well, this, this isn't wonderful spot end all these would be forgotten books, if not for booksellers like you, Elaine. Thank you. Well with all the new words, we're learning on this episode of open Stax just though we've stumbled onto Sesame Street before I go looking for a friendly muppet to talk books with. Here's another the word of the day is galley or advanced reader copies, also known as arcs whatever you call them books that publisher sent out before they're even close to being reminded that is before, they hit our shelves help booksellers, especially know what it is. We're selling and fill our lives and cars with an unparalleled excitement. And oftentimes embarrassment for taking longer to read them than frankly, seems possible. Let alone practical, for instance, I've had a copy of animal wise, five Virginia Morell on my shelves since two thousand twelve that I still haven't so much as cracked or passed on. Why because there's a fascinating looking chapter on dolphins. For more incredulous reading material, we asked our staff, what? They couldn't wait to read it managed somehow to put off until now. What's that? What's strike that? They've still gone read, what they sure do sound good. So what's the problem? I begged for copy of novel. Sounds southern fiction in the age of rock and roll the moment, I saw it in the Columbia catalog year. So go, and I felt up on the begging with more begging. And then when I finally received it, I brought the book with me to book, expo it stayed in a hotel, and went not plane with me. And then later, we booked an event with author, we had the event, I didn't go, I still only read a few pages and why. Well, in addition to horrible, book, AD, I think I continue to worry that this author wrote the book that I intended vaguely covers so many things I suspect, you know, by now or very close to my heart or soul, or whatever, like southern fiction rock and roll, Elvis on records and so on. And moreover, it points towards an essential connection between southern literature in American music, which I two c particularly in ebbs. Lum, apps, lem which, I note is not covered in this book, perhaps, I feel to like my preliminary, quote unquote research is not yet complete. I must read. More Faulkner, O'Connor and get deeper into lead, Billy before I can properly absorb this work who knows for now. It's shelved my Elvis collection. Waiting university of Texas press kindly, sent me a copy of Joseph sky, bells, six memos from the last millennium in twenty fifteen a book. I was sure would be a delightful. Read the certainty. I haven't lost despite my having read, one hundred some odd book since receiving, my copy, six memos for the next millennium by Tele Calvin was one of my favorite works of criticism. Full stop despite the title overselling number of memos Calvino, ultimately composed, we are missing consistency sky bell calls. The conceit a cosmic comic baker's half dozen in reverse in it in his memo on lightness Calvin. Oh, quotes Valerie's, wonderful line. One should be light like a bird and not like a feather. I share this, because it should be shared not, because it necessarily relates to the book at hand. The eunuch tradition is one of commentary criticism, the work of commentary Lucid's books, one loves and revere. The critic might find a book ultimately wanting the commentator knows that what is wanting if anything is in their own ability to find meaning in or make sense of the text sky bell, a novelist with a great reputation. Although I have not read as fiction promised to bring a novelist perspective to great stories. The final memo is about the four rabbis who entered an orchard the pardons, which remains one of the most powerful and provocative stories of ever read. Why have I not red sky bells take clearly I must read it next. Christopher catching. This land figures based on articles for Harper's. It's kind of promises to be the commits use of public lands in the American west really say. I guess, similar vein environments. Strive? Vance compu- recall. Very visits. Horizons low visitor really? Archy dreams in the United States. I really like. And so when we say, this Leslie Jamison book of essays the exams published in two thousand fourteen is a book I read into sixteen and one that has really stayed with me some parts of it. I find a lot of things about the essays problematic. Particularly the Davison uses empathy as guys for telling stories that she seems to happen tiredly, no right to tell I feel a little gross about some of the as in the book, particularly the one in which she attends a support group support conference for sufferers of more gallons disease, someone who doesn't suffer from more gallons disease, and who wants to use it as a matter metaphor for her own kinds of suffering. She's the worst kind of tourist in that room. But a lot of the is in the book are really remarkable, the title, essay and the final essay in the book, especially titled grand unified theory of female pain, the essays I find most compelling and least problematic in the book are the ones in which Jameson talks about her own life and experiences. She published a memoir into thousand eighteen that I was incredibly excited to read called the recovery. Thing talks. And it's aftermath, but I still haven't gotten around to reading that one one of these days. Well, I mean as professional bookseller is our job to read every single book that has sent to us of the hundreds of galleys and arcs that our shelves. So obviously, when I take them home, I make it a priority. God no on the failure. I don't read any, and there's so many that I haven't gotten to yet wonderful and terrible thing once. Wonderful and terrible at sums it up to me well around the publication of her book, the ring of truth. Wendy Doniger revealed to us, the constellation size narrative and hoax of expectations centered on the diamond ring diamond company when they have the glut on the market produced by the enormous productivity of the South African mines at the end of the nineteenth century invented a new miss in nineteen thirty eight you can put a day on it. There was a, a woman who in a public relations from that invented the idea that you really have to have a diamond engagement ring. And if you didn't it meant the guy didn't really love, you know what it ever had a diamonds before the late nineteenth century beers. Invented the idea that everyone had always had diamond engagement rings that you had to have one and people followed it there. People's this day believe it's a very old custom. And of course you have to have a diamond ring. We tend not to associate engagement rings with hamburgers, but feminists vegan advocate activists and independent scholar, Carol j Adams sees and eats things differently throughout her groundbreaking career, and in her latest books, including protests, kitchen, burger, and even vegans die Adams encourages us to rethink our individual eating habits as collective social and political movements, if we think of books as nourishment, what lessons might we learn over a plate of say, stop the wall, taco salad with fire and fury. Also for more recipes and revolutions we turn to Carol Adams in conversation with journalist Marla rose at the call last fall. Of course, that devoted November twenty sixteen was devastating and one morning in December two thousand sixteen. I thought I know what we need to right. We need to write the anti-trump diet. We were very lucky. There was an editor who loved it, but he, he suggested protests kitchen because we weren't just criticizing Trump. We shouldn't situate the book that only the problem was only Trump. The problem is not Trump. The problem is eleven on the Republican members on the judiciary. The problem is Brexit in England. The problem is the right wing gaining surgeons and seeing a phobia in Europe. So we needed to wide in this, this is the book, you can give people to say this is why I'm vegan social Justice thing, but it was also written for vegans to help articulation isn't isn't like what? Foodie weeding. Thing we wanted to show that you can play with your food. And this was my sister's idea. She said Carol, you've gotta have some sort of Trump to dinner and so we had Briana Clark rope in this very talented Canadian chef she has provided. So we call them resistance meals, end of bonus. Trumped Trump say, Tom a lot more on. Drain the swamp, kitchen cabinet compote. Stop the wall. Fire and wall taco salad with Aaron fury. Elsa. Tiny little types tiny little. Tiny little chocolate nut cherry thumb print cookies. I wonder who those referring to. That's. Talk about size but I couldn't help talk about those thumbs. And the final one was impeached. Crumble. I mean part of protests kitchen was to try to say, look progressive. It's great we're we're we. We are so fired up since the election. And we're doing all these good thinking. But could you look and see that when you talk about the Paris accords what you're eating at dinner? You're either siding with Trump in leaving the Paris accords, or you are, stopping helping to stop climate change their yes, protests. The big things think locally, but think locally not local war, think, locally what, how are you every day, contributing or not the climate change? If this is your wedge issue, and in burger, which I loved writing was so much fun because I had decided that I was going to undo the hamburger narrative, that's part of American history. And I was going to restore the cow to the story and all, but one of the things I, I look at is. That methane, isn't measured in a lot of environmental studies, because methane disappears in twenty years, and a lot of environmental studies one hundred years out. But when you add methane, which, of course, a cow is contributing to and methane. You know, the, the methane swamps almost of North Carolina last week that everybody started hearing about when you had that stopping eating animals dairy is really one of the best thing you can do. I mean it is a boycott. So try to have these conversations. These are things who care about this is how veganism also cares about that. Yeah. And you know, it's kind of interesting because the world's most vulnerable people, also the ones who will be the most severely impacted by the consequences of climate change and. But at the same time, veganism often get settled with the notion that elitist and. Not inclusive, you know. And I think that there is some ownership we could take elements of that. When people say, you absolutely must have a six hundred dollar high speed blender in order to be a, you know, a healthy vegan or get into the health veganism aspects of without realizing that so much fresh food is not available to impoverish people and we live in a racist society. So anyway, I would love to hear your thoughts this charge of veganism being. Elitist. Well, it's a historical, first of all, because one of the things we were looking at in protests kitchen. Sorry for the thing restless person. In interviews with people who voted for Trump. They were more likely to say that the nineteen fifties was a better time than now and it got me thinking, well, the fifties oppression of lesbians and gays they're fired from federal and state government, because they thought that they would be they would be more likely to be able to be blackmailed as communists. Jim crow and hostility to. Integrated suburbs. So what was true about the fifty? So that's when factory farming really comes of its own, it's between nineteen fifty and nineteen sixty I learned riding burger that we switch from a country, mainly dependent on dead. Pigs eating so-called pork to dead cows, and that happens between fifty and sixty it'd been happening since the nineteenth century. But that's when hamburgers fast food so car culture, the notion that we have always been eating this food. Anyway is. Elitist, white colonialists the, the requirement to that fifty percent of your food come from animals and animal products. That's the nineteen fifties, we're still fighting that whenever somebody says where do you get your protein that is what we sell to the four basic food groups of the nineteen fifties? So the fifties is with us in ways, we don't recognize. That we wanted to expose we wanted to expose the racism of dietary recommendations. You know, the whole issue now about lactose. Is that the majority of the world can't digest it, but they're called lactose intolerant? Lactose normal. When you flip that and say, there were no cows on the land. That's North America till colonialism. Mesoamerican culture, native American cultures. They didn't eat the amount of me that we're that we're eating these days. So what suddenly we're being told veganism his white, you know, meeting and dairy is wide. That's why the right wing's claiming it. Have you seen that neo-nazis claim both dairy and milk as symbols for themselves? There's a reason for that, you know, you read some commentators, and they say, oh, Fleck, the Facebook light fixtures taking all these things, they're not there, signaling. Yeah. Ling because these things already were race based and, and so to answer the question. Sometimes I may ask, what about food? Desert's vegans did not create. They're trying to help solve food desert's. But this notion that somehow it's why I was interviewed by somebody from England a journalist. Well, what about big this, and being what I said, well, who you reading, you know? You're showing your ignorance here in that. You're only reading the fouling these white vegans. There is a whole rich culture of vegans of color. And you should be interviewing them and talking to them because this is not a white movement, and you're helping to suppress voices by asking that question. Let's just look at what vegans are doing in their own community. Looked at Brenda. Sanders in Baltimore, completely transforming what's happening. They're creating the vegan soul food. Baltimore vegan soul food. Fifteen thousand people went to the MAC down the first MAC and cheese competition. And also making a say Thanh and, and other great foods and community gardens. I mean it's a great model. So that's how we begin food, the food Justice after that, all we have to do is look around it when people are already doing there are examples of this kind of great work, that recognizes that food Justice clues veganism share. I mean, the, the we learned, how many of the nine million pigs, who live in North Carolina, minus the three thousand or five thousand who died, the nine million pigs. And how many of them are situated near low income and, and people of color millions of chickens if we aren't overwhelmed by what's happening now. We're not reading the news, but on the other hand, we should not spend our lives being overwhelmed by what's happening now we have to find. A some some balance, but we should stop. We should step away. And I in fact, I even put on my Facebook page. How do you step away, and we put we listed all the things get said, also not listening to the news. I don't. Yeah, I read online, because there's something about hearing that information coming in. And I think cooking is very healing thing, and that we need to bring people over, even if we're making the Trump say tunnel orange or whatever if you don't know how to cook learn if you have the capacity, because even simple meals competing is a great rhythmic thing. You're chopping even washing. They encourage writers to always step away. You know, some writers pre this date would would would sweep because it was so with Nick or iron or go for a walk. And I think one way I feel. With anchor. Is I right. About nineteen eighty five. I thought, wow, this sexual, you know, it wasn't sexual politics of meat at that time. Wow. This book is really angry. Who's could read this? You know, I'm asking everybody else to deal with my Inger, and wouldn't it be nice to take the inker, but make disappear explicitly and handed over for people to find their own ink? Anger is a philosophical concern. It's a positive thing. It's telling us something and so to leverage anger into protests. Kitchen was sort of, like I mean, really I thought I have to do something I don't wanna disappear and even less. I mean I could not sleep last night. And all I could think of was Cavanaugh, Cavanaugh Cavanaugh, and feeling like what does one person? Matter. And then you wake up and find out to people matter, you know, it was like there's the answer. We don't even know how we're going to change the world, right? We just have to believe in our right to change the world and have a few tools to do it. Read with us next time on open stacks. We'll hear from Florence door on novel. Sounds book, Alex keeps me to get to what books, have you been putting off and why tell us about it. Seriously? We'll make us feel better on social media or drops a line at podcast at some coop dot com. Got a union police edit market type. And also, Rosen's metaphysics in ordinary language. I bought a copy of Laura winters book, mud house, Sabbath. I am currently writing a book review of her more. Recent book the dangers of Christian practices. Sums it up for me. Well around the. Is last words, we're an unfunny joke. I guess.

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Votin Up On A Tuesday

What A Day

16:22 min | 9 months ago

Votin Up On A Tuesday

"It's Tuesday March Third Keel Houston. I'm getting resnick. And this is what a day. We're we're hopping on the bandwagon and officially suspending campaign for president. Honestly I just like to throw my support behind sleeping. I simply can't risk getting on today's show. The Supreme Court is set to hear a major abortion case then some headlines but first a Tuesday that super off. That's right today. Super Tuesday where fourteen states and one territory will vote. It is the biggest day of the presidential nominating contests so far in one thousand. Three hundred fifty seven delegates are up for grabs out of almost four thousand. We've got massive states like California and Texas. Having their say Senator Bernie Sanders is expected to do well and potentially build a large delegate lead in now many elected Democrats are rallying around former vice president. Joe Biden as the primary alternative to Sanders. So lots of endorsements we're going to get into it but what is the latest on all of Gideon? Yes so first of all all of this happening. Now shows a little bit of the urgency that some of these folks fell to try to blunt sanders going into today. And it's definitely a late gambit from everyone on Monday senator Amy Klobuchar exited the race and quickly endorsed Biden global warming that we declare just a few weeks ago officially abated. At this point she appeared Rally for Biden in Dallas on Monday night. Here's some of what she said. It is up to us all of us to put our country back together to heal this country and then to build something even greater. I believe we can do this together. And that is why today I am ending my campaign and endorsing Joe by. Yeah we're talking about the. Buddha judge did not see a path for himself in the race anymore when he dropped out and for closure the reality was justice starke. She surprised a lot of people by coming in third in New Hampshire following a good debate performance but close are just wasn't able to build support from voters of color and only earned seven delegates total. Also we should add. In addition to closure Buddha judge formerly endorsed Biden on Monday as well so this is definitely a big day. So we've got we've got amy. They're both team Biden now. They're delegates could eventually go to him at the convention which would matter if the the reasons of being kind of close definitely way later in the year but back to endorsements run us through the rest of the spree. We saw yesterday yeah. So in addition to those two Biden has been basically landing endorsements from elected officials left and right one other notable one is from former presidential and Senate candidate Beto Aurora q also at the Texas Event Harry. Reid also backed Biden after declining to endorse before the Nevada caucus where it could have been impactful for whoever he ended up picking a couple more endorsements democracy for America a Progressive Group. That started the run. Warn run movement in two thousand sixteen to try to get her into the race. Last time ended up endorsing sanders. After pulling its members in Warren won the endorsement of Emily's list after Clovis are left the race which meant that just Warren and congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. Remember her are the only women that are left running for president so after all of this Super Tuesday is kind of the closest thing to a national primary with a lot of different kinds of voters. And we're GONNA find out if things like organization and endorsements in staffing are the things that end up being truly impactful. Just have to see I take a deep breath and find out how all the cards fall all of a sudden we have five remaining Democratic candidates. Gideon give us some sense of the important things to be on the lookout for tonight. Yeah so zooming out for a second as we've said on here before candidate needs to get one thousand nine hundred ninety one delegates to have a majority and get the nomination at that convention because so many of them are given out on Super Tuesday. It turns into the first decisive moment in this campaign. Here are some of the broader things that we know for now sanders has shown strength in California Texas and the northeast but he could be viable in most or all the states that are voting. He has money and organization and had a head start. Biden is playing catchup following a really really strong showing in South Carolina. And he's keeping things close especially in other important states like Virginia and North Carolina. Broadly speaking he has endorsed said an momentum. Going into this but it's important to acknowledge that there are a range of possible outcomes that we might begin to see when the dust settles after today anything from a large sanders delegate lead to a tie between him and Biden is certainly within the realm of possibility. Twitter is going to continue to get off while you can. That's due to two key factors here. One is that Warren and Mike Bloomberg are in the race still and early votes may have been cast for a number of recent dropouts in addition to those other candidates and to no one knows. How many of all these candidates in each state are going to hit that magic fifteen percent number. Let's get into these numbers again. No yes advocates out and at the ready so without overcomplicating things the easiest way for a person to win the most delegates in the state is to just win. Big The same as it would be for the popular vote. Let's say for instance that you're in California. There are four candidates who break fifteen percent. That's the amount that you need to get delegates. If you're the candidate that is leading by a lot you're amount doesn't translate to as many delegates because it's being divided by four four candidates now if you're leading and only one other candidate was viable then. The delegates are being divided by two people. Meaning that the person ahead gets more so a lot of sort of uncertainty within that basically you WanNa break fifteen everywhere but the difference between a good night and a really really really good night for some of these candidates depends on. How many of them are doing that right? So you just WanNa win big help as many competitors as possible. Don't break fifteen percent but you know we really still have no idea what exactly is going to happen. we've heard a lot about contested conventions pluralities versus majorities. All of that Jazz. What is today going to tell us about the likelihood of any of that? Hopefully a lot in theory Knock on as much as you can. I someone had foxe's better math than me. If say a candidate wins about forty percent of the Super Tuesday delegates that individual would only have to win fifty six percent of the rest of the delegates throughout the year to get a majority. So that's not too difficult to pull off and it's even easier. If you're just trying to win that plurality which I think a lot of the candidates are thinking is is definitely a possibility with that also means is that if you're behind after Tuesday it is incredibly difficult to catch up so the margin of victory is going to be really important here and that's what we're going to be watching for as well as sort of where all the candidates end up in the grand scheme of things but one last thing for all of us to keep in mind so we don't tear hair out about everything there might be a lot of late counting specifically in California because of mail-in ballots which might mean that. Not Everything is conclusive there by the end of the night. Yeah so it's not just Iowa sometimes you just gotTa Wait. Yeah Right. Imagine patients all right. Well if you are in the Super Tuesday states and have yet to vote get out there. Do it feel like you're a part of society but if you're voting later just know that there's more time and your vote is still gonna matter so please stay. Engaged in the meantime and stay engaged with us. Later are livestream special tonight at eight. Pm Eastern Five PM PACIFIC HEAD ON OVER TO YOUTUBE DOT com slash crooked media. It'll be a way better time than Cable News. Do Not Miss It. Since tomorrow's episode is going to be overwhelmed by Super Tuesday coverage. We want to give you a preview of something important. Happening in DC on Wednesday a reprisal of the assault on abortion rights. I hate reruns. Yes especially these kinds. The Supreme Court will hear arguments in a case out of Louisiana over a law that would restrict abortion providers if the court decides to uphold the law. It could poke major holes in v Wade Tequila. You WanNa take us through some of the details here. Here goes all right so the case is called June medical services versus Russo. And it has to do with admitting privileges. Louisiana passed a law requiring abortion providers in the state to have admitting privileges and the abortion providers are suing saying. That creates an undue burden on people who are seeking an abortion. They also say that this question has already been settled by the Supreme Court and are pointing to another case from two thousand sixteen called whole women's health in which the Supreme Court struck down a similar admitting privileges law in Texas because it found that it created an undue burden. Okay so can we explain for a second the admitting privileges thing this is GonNa get around a lot in the coming days for sure. So essentially in the case on Wednesday and the 2016 case admitting privileges were used as a way to curb abortion rights for example if I was getting an abortion and there was a medical emergency that arose most of these outpatient facilities. Just don't have the ability to fully admit me to a hospital close by. They'd probably just send me to the emergency room but medical emergencies during abortions are rare and what Texas and now Louisiana. Both want or wanted was to say if an abortion provider does not have admitting privileges to a hospital within a certain number of miles. They would not be cleared to perform an abortion. So essentially it's just an extra hurdle for abortion providers to jump over in Louisiana. This law would leave literally just one doctor in the entire state able to perform abortions. Yeah that's insane. I mean so. Why is it that these abortion clinics can't get admitting privileges? Yeah well it's because hospitals largely just WanNa stay out of it. They don't want to be part of the abortion debate and the easiest way to stay out of. It is to not give doctor from an abortion clinic. The same abilities as doctors that are on their payroll in. We've seen historically how this can gut abortion rights for example doctors the last abortion clinic and Mississippi applied for admitting privileges to seven hospitals in the area and they were refused at every single one. And something that I was thinking as I read through arguments from both sides was that the Supreme Court already ruled on this very issue. So why is it being brought again and Louisiana's argument is that they think the previous ruling only applies to Texas and so they're basically just trying to poke holes in that prior case also a big difference now is that we've got two new justices on the court since two thousand sixteen that could rule differently than the previous ones right right Roy Moore ramifications of Gorsuch and cabinet being appointed Okay so what do we know about? How the court typically votes in these instances all right. Well we don't WanNa get into predicting what will happen. Because I don't WanNa be responsible for your disappointment. Here's what we do know in that whole women's health case the four more liberal justices we're joined by Anthony Kennedy and striking down the Texas law that restricted abortions. So Kennedy's now been replaced with Cavanaugh. Cavanaugh supported allowing the law in Louisiana to remain in effect. While this got hashed out in court he was overruled. Thank God but it gives you a sense of where he stands uncertain whether the Supreme Court will explicitly overrule Roe V. Wade in this case. But even if they don't they could simply just whittle it down to you know to a point where it's just not effective unenforceable just making it pretty much meaningless if there is any silver lining though it's at Skoda's tins to vote with President and chief justice. John Roberts is very much of the opinion that the rule of law is. What's important so if he is still of that mindset. We have a sense that maybe he will be on the right side. But you know we're just hoping they'll say well keep your eyes open. We will to and expect the decision on this The summer when we get a lot of big decisions back. Oh and please go to vote save America Dot Com and make sure you're registered so we don't have to deal with this for the rest of our lives but especially now for the next four years. Let's wrap up with some headlines head alive in Morse Code US news today. The justices will hear arguments on whether or not the structure of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is Constitutional. The CFPB was designed to protect consumers from abusive. Financial Industry practices things like student loans and credit cards. Experts say decision on this case could affect federal regulatory power across the board. The court is also set to determine the future of Obamacare in the fall. Just some small agenda item. The justices announced they'll be hearing an ongoing lawsuit to overturn the program making this the third time. The Affordable Care Act has been challenged in court decision to determine whether or not parts of the ACA or the entire law itself or unconstitutional is expected in June of next year uber in left are essentially seeking their revenge on California lawmakers who pass a law that could classify their drivers as full-time employees. This is what we've come to expect from rideshare apps where the ideas basically taxi but make it anti-worker lift through down two million dollars on a campaign account to defeat. Lawmaker Tyler deep. Who voted for the law? Uber gave two hundred thirty thousand dollars to a pack. That opposes him. Lifton UBER are also spending thirty million dollars each to sponsor in November ballot initiative that would exempt them from the freelance law when companies. Spend money like this. You know they're just doing it to be nice very sweet for them. Yeah for sure for sure as why if you don't WanNA drive for lift or Uber. We just heard about a pretty exciting job. Openings at a place called outer space NASA is accepting applicants for aspiring astronauts. Yet again they plan to send another man and the first woman to the Moon by two thousand twenty four and tomorrow of which the moon is parts by the Mid Twenties Thirties. Astronaut jobs are not easy to lockdown. Need an advanced science degree and lots of flight time to be considered and win NASA last accepted applications in two thousand fifteen only eleven people were selected from the eighteen thousand. Three hundred that applied. If you're looking to set yourself apart you could say that you've eaten all the flavors of astronaut ice cream. Even banana applications will be accepted from now until March thirty first. It's amazing that that many people are like I would like to be off of earth. Please all right well. Big News for anyone. Who's iphone sucked in two thousand? Seventeen apple has tentatively agreed to pay out five hundred million dollars for the scandal called battery game where they secretly throttled the performance of iphone sixes and sevens to conserve battery life. If you own one of those phones apple might pay twenty five dollars. That sounds cool. But it's a small reward for not having the juice to send adorable emojis back. When snapchat was at its absolute peak. French and Italian authorities have already taken apple to court over the same controversy. The Tech Company got hit with a twenty five million euro fine in France last month. Soccer Bluetooth cancelled over. And those are the headlines. That's all for today. If you like the show make sure you subscribe leave review. Compliment us on our fits and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just doctors I charge like me. What Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and subscribe at crooked dot com slash subscribe and Akilah Hughes. I'm Gideon Resnick. And Good luck with your application to be an astronaut. I gotta eat more ice cream. I do it. What a day is a product of crooked media it's reported and mixed by Charlotte Landis selling a ton is our assistant producer or writer is John Milstein and our senior producer is Katie Log. Our THEME MUSIC BY CALLING. Gilead and his shocking.

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Full Episode: Monday, September 16, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:19 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Monday, September 16, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. President trump on any possible military action against Iran what what the president said late today after the devastating attack on one of the world's largest oil facilities in Saudi Arabia oil prices already shooting up tonight with Americans will see see at the gas pump and soon the deadly explosion firefighters have been called to the scene already amid fears about gas then the deadly and powerful blast debris raining down on the neighborhood massive strike tonight at General Motors nearly fifty thousand workers walking off the job this evening we're with the workers what they're now demanding manding and GM and the rare move what they made public that who firestorm tonight surrounding Supreme Court Justice Brad Kavanagh a new report another incident of alleged sexual misconduct while at Yale tonight ABC news reaching the woman at the center of this new story at what she now says tonight the hurricane right right off the East Coast gaining strength approaching Bermuda now where it heads next ginger zee with the track and the warning the deadly culprit in the water the ten year old girl we're all dying after contracting a rare brain eating amoeba while swimming Watt Stewart tonight revealing his very personal battle and attributes tonight but rock could roll hall of Famer Rickey Kasich founder of the cars at what his family is now revealing about his file hours this is ABC lose tonight with David Muir very beginning. It's great to have you with us here as we start another week together and we begin tonight with President trump and what he said late today on the possibility possibility of US military action against Iran after that massive attack on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia one of the world's largest facilities targeted there and unprecedented it'd blow to the world's energy supply drivers here in the US will see this too in gas prices administration officials quickly pointing the finger at Iran the president at one point tweeting tweeting the US is locked and loaded but tonight what he said when asked is Iran behind this and will the US strike ABC's chief White House correspondent Jonathan Carl was in the Oval Office asking the questions after the attack on the world's largest oil refinery in Saudi Arabia today's a day a restrained response from the President War with anybody. I'm somebody they would like not to have war attack produced an inferno so large the smoke was visible from Outer Space Senior Administration official tells. ABC News attack involved nearly a dozen cruise missiles and at least twenty armed drones launched from Iranian soil within our secretary of state. Mike pompeo pointed the finger directly at Iran tweeting. Iran is now launched an unprecedented accidents attack on the world's energy supply today. The president was less definitive evidence proof that Iran was behind the attack that way as soon as we find out definitively. We'll let you know immediately. Following the attacks President Trump tweeted the United States was quote locked and loaded depending on verification but today he said this that was an attack on Saudi Arabia and There wasn't an attack on us but we would certainly help help them. They've been a great ally. Do you still think it's the responsibility of the Saudis to defend themselves. Oh I think it is certainly the responsibility of them to do a big big deal of the defense. The fact is that the Saudis going to have a lot of involvement in this if we decide to do some think I think they'll be very much involved and that includes payment and they understand that fully the iranian-backed who the rebels in Yemen have claimed responsibility wants ability releasing a propaganda video of drones flying over the Saudi refinery Iran for its part insists. It had nothing to do with it. Let's revisit missile wrong. I think I'll have a stronger message or maybe no message at all when we get the final results of what we're looking at but right now it's too soon to say this plenty of time. You know there's no rush. Giancarlo this live at the White House tonight and John the president had tweeted the US is locked and loaded but today it did seem there was a much more cautious tone with you shortly. David he talked quite a bit about the strength of the US military and the US the ability to have military response but this did not sound like a president eager to get involved in another conflict in the Middle East all right giancarl leading us off on a Monday John John Thank you the price of oil has already soared across the globe how soon will driver see it right here in the US in gas prices at the pump. Let's get right to ABC's chief business correspondent Rebecca Jarvis with US slop tonight as well Rebecca well David oil prices spiked immediately on that news up fifteen percent today the biggest one day surge in more within a decade in for consumers that means higher prices at the pump anywhere between ten and twenty five cents higher in the coming weeks in particular higher prices in California neo which relies more heavily on imports from Saudi Arabia. The big question going forward is how quickly Saudi Arabia can bring production back on on line and whether this conflict escalates the United States is still the world's largest energy producer but this is a global market David and what happens in the Middle East impacts prices and consumers here. David and we'll be watching Rebecca. Thank you in the meantime we turn to weather news this Monday night into the deadly explosion firefighters had it just been called amid fears of gas when they got to the scene. The explosion smoke from the blast obscuring the sun. Look at this to brief falling from the sky this is in Farmington main that debris covering the ground like snow in one of the firefighters who had just arrived on the scene because of those early calls was then killed multiple injuries tonight in ABC's Gio Benitez. This is on the scene for US tonight. The scene is apocalyptic debris and dash falling from the sky after that devastating building explosion in central may may the blast completely leveling this special needs centre damaging nearby homes and coating the surrounding area in dust than packed blew our walls often often. Everything's ruined by it is what it is. The state will be alive a maintenance worker from the building reporting a gas odor just after eight a m leading employees to who evacuated the explosion of routing as Farmington firefighters were on the scene investigating the blast injuring six and killing one firefighter colleagues colleagues paid tribute to their fallen comrade as the body was removed from the site tonight as authorities sift through the rubble employees are calling that maintenance worker who who reported the odor a hero if he hadn't been putting tables away in the basement at that time we'd all be have been in that building when that happened just incredible pictures from that scene. Gio Benitez Live at the scene explosion in Maine Tonight and Gio. We're learning more about that fallen firefighter and his brother also firefighter on the scene there that's right David. That firefighter was a captain. He sixty eight years old his brother the fire chief he was also injured in this blast. Four other firefighters were sent went to the ICU. Investigators are here searching for answers but no doubt about it David. This community is in mourning Gio Benitez. Tonight thank you we have new reporting this evening on the massive strike at General Motors nearly fifty thousand united auto workers have now walked off the job workers argue they helped save the company nearly a decade ago and that they deserved a share in the new success in tonight the rare move from GM going public with their offer ABC's Alex Perez from Detroit Tonight at General Motors factory workers off the job in on the picket line after the two sides have failed to strike a deal on a new contract GM turning an eight point one a billion dollar profit last year workers who took concessions before the two thousand nine government bailout now want to see some of those profits we made some sacrifices prices and al the contract good and you come up and give us fair wages fair benefits at affordable prices and that's all that really GM making the unusual decision to reveal the offer it made to the union inside that offer is over seven billion dollars of investment in plants and new product programs programs that also impact fifty four hundred jobs the offer includes rescuing two of four plants set a shutdown but the union rejecting that tonight. The President says he wants to see a deal. I'm sad to see the strike. Hopefully it's going to be a quick. One to stalemate comes as union leadership is under scrutiny not last week when official over US did accused of conspiring to embezzle more than a million dollars in worker dues allegedly spending it on video rentals lavish dinners inexpensive champagne and alix. Both sides were back at the bargaining table today yes David. They were at the bargaining table all day today but union officials told me at this point they are nowhere near reaching a deal one thing they would like to see jobs that were moved to Mexico brought back to the US David Alex Perez in Detroit tonight. Thank you the new firestorm tonight. Surrounding Supreme Court Justice Brett Cabot aw new report another incident of alleged sexual misconduct while at Yale L. Tonight. ABC News has reached the woman at the center of this new alleged incident and what she now says here's ABC's senior national correspondent Terry Moran The new allegations against Brett cavagnaud reigniting the bitter partisan fight over his fitness for the nation's highest court and prompting calls for his impeachment the New York Times is now reporting that Max Dire Kavanagh's former Yale classmate told senators and the FBI last year that he saw Mr Cavenaugh with his pants down down at a drunken dorm party where friends pushed his genitals onto a female student his claim never investigated by the FBI. The shocking story story strikingly similar to an allegation made by another Yale Classmate Deborah Ramirez at the height of Kavanagh's confirmation battle. Ramirez alleged cavenaugh exposed himself to you're at a different party when they were both drunk and when she shoved him away she says she was touched without her consent cavenaugh flatly denying that and all allegations nations of sexual misconduct none of the witnesses in the room support that the if that had happened that would have been the talk of Campus Cavanaugh is not commenting on this latest latest charge but his defenders call it a political smear and they point out that the times article adapted from a new book out this week originally omitted a key fact act which editors later added the book says that the Female Students Dyer described quote refuse to discuss the incident and quote several of her friends said she he does not recall it. They've just announced as a correction but to do that about a supreme court. Justice is a terrible thing tonight. ABC News has learned that Senator Chris Coons Democrat of Delaware who served on the Judiciary Committee heard from style and he said this letter to the FBI urging investigators to follow up on October second. Cavanaugh Cavanaugh was confirmed to the court for days later on the campaign trail. Several Democrats are questioning the investigations legitimacy not in a low-priced a meaningful I investigation my concern here is that the process was a sham. Terry Moran Live at the court tonight interior. ABC Go has reached the woman at the center of this new allegation the Times reporting that her friends say she doesn't remember the incident. She refused to discuss it with them but she did. Have something and you say to our team when reached she did David. She said she's not doing interviews but when we asked her are there other sources that we could speak to about her story. She told US simply. All I can say is ask Brett Terry Moran Live at the Supreme Court thank you next to the weather threats on both sides of the country tonight dry awry gusty winds fueling wildfires in the West Red Flag warnings from California to Utah Horseshoe fire near Riverside California forcing evacuations and another fire popping popping up along the I five in Eskin. Do while off the east coast tonight we're watching Hurricane Umberto now a full on hurricane degree rip currents right along the coast. Let's get the chief meteorologist Ginger Zee tonight. She's in California tracking both stories force ginger. It's only breezy here but it is downright windy to our east and that's where the fire danger is his highest much of the state of Nevada in extreme fire danger into Utah Red Flag warnings there for us of thirty to fifty miles per hour then we've got the tropics who got to watch out for a couple Blair areas twenty percent shot for the Gulf of Mexico there to get something but even if it doesn't become a tropical cyclone you have ten plus inches possible for the coast of Texas Hurricane Umberto could could become a major hurricane in the next forty eight hours heavy rain big surfer Bermuda as it passes north of there on Wednesday five to seven foot waves North Carolina to Florida David Ginger Zee with US tonight. It is well thanks to injure tonight here in New York City. We have learned that the Manhattan. Da Subpoenaed eight years of president trump's personal and business tax returns sources say this part of the investigation Asian of hush money paid to stormy Daniels we turn next tonight to Antonio Brown. There are new developments in the allegations and lawsuits brought against him today he's accuser answering during questions from the NFL and here's ABC's Keilor. Tom Brady from the gun ban tonight the woman accusing NFL Superstore Antonio Brown of of rape and sexual assault meeting with League officials for several hours in investigators questioning Brown's former fitness trainer Brittany Taylor who filed a civil lawsuit last week in the League allowing the all pro wide receiver to play on Sunday despite the troubling allegations ESPN reporting Brown wasn't put on the Commissioner's exempt list because there's no criminal investigation ground celebrating his first touchdown as a New England patriots Sunday then avoiding avoiding all questions Patriots head coach Bill Belichick still saying Little Authority about the game afford commented on them. Looking Brown denies the allegations posting this video on social media. You were going to try to bring you down. You get closer to your goal David. They'd been in settlement discussions for months just days before. That lawsuit was filed a source tells. ABC News Brown refused to make a two million dollar payment that same source telling US Taylor initially requested more than ten million David Kelly. Thank you at a medical headline tonight the CDC is stepping pick up its response to vaping concerns activating its quote Emergency Operation Center Twenty four seven center now the CDC has confirmed six deaths tied to the use of e cigarettes. Let's and they are investigating three hundred eighty cases of severe lung injury across twenty six states. There is a new casualty to report tonight from the war in Afghanistan. NATO officials say a US Servicemember member was killed in action there today. Seventeen Americans have died now in combat this year the highest number in five years. There is still much more ahead on world news tonight this Monday today. The NASCAR great killed in a plane crash after initially walking away from the wreckage the deadly culprit in the water tonight the ten year old girl dying after contracting a rare brain eating amoeba while swimming the motorcycle rider going over the edge plunging down this cliff the water below the only thing saving his life and tonight singer Rod. I'm Stewart revealing his very personal battle of news on his condition tonight and of course we pay tribute to a rock and Roll Hall of Famer Rickel Cassock and what we've learned about his final hours. There's a lot more news ahead here on Monday night. I'll what if you can make your work take less work. You can with Capterra compare thousands of software options read reviews and instantly narrow your favorites. You'll have more time in no time. Find the right software right now at Capterra or a dot com slash tonight with over one thousand reviews of products from real software users discover everything. 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Her family says when Lily I had a headache and fever dodgers thought it was a virus but her condition quickly deteriorated she spent days in a medically induced coma today her cousin saying we wanted to bring awareness to Amoeba up in an effort to prevent any other family from having to go through this over the last sixty years one one hundred and forty five people have been infected with this rare Amoeba but only four have survived including Sebastian de Leon who contracted it while swimming in a Florida Lake in two thousand isn't sixteen these types of infections typically occur in warm freshwater lakes and rivers the best advice. Keep your head above water swim with those nose clips and if you start to feel sick let your doctor know. David just a devastating loss victor. Thank you Dixon other news tonight. A Nascar Great Mike stanic has died after a small plane crash. His plane went down in Sterling Connecticut. Just after takeoff he initially walked away from the wreckage but then dying of his injuries at the hospital he was sixty one to the motorcycle rider going over the cliff. In crested crested butte Colorado look at us rich hog writing on a narrow rocky trail suddenly going over the edge plunging about seventy feet into the water below. It saved him he was not. I heard at Rod Stewart tonight. Revealing his personal battle the seventy four year old singer going public with his fight against prostate cancer during a charity event diagnose during a routine checkup three years ago. Doctors doctors just gave him the all-clear. We love hearing that finding tonight here. He was a rock and Roll Hall of Famer Rickey Kasich. The car has died he provided so much of the American soundtrack soundtrack of the seventies and eighties recoup cassock was a singer songwriter guitarist and music producer and the band started in Boston releasing their first album the cars nineteen seventy the eight tau he and Benjamin or met you Cleveland after a Cassock saw or performing they would then start their own band their music just well. We need the band's. First top. Ten hit shake it. It would be twelve more top forty singles and a wife he would marry sports illustrated swimsuit model Paulina Ports Cova. They had two sons Oliver Jonathan you might think was MTV's video of the year in nineteen eighty four but oh cassock live much of his life away from the spotlight graduating from Maple Heights high school near Cleveland returning last year with the cars were inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'd like to thank my wheelchair chaired grandmother for forcing me to sing in Nepal in front of her friends. When I was five years old the she also had the nerve to buy Guitar Sears Roebuck when I was about fourteen the rest is history tonight his family saying he was home recuperating recuperating from surgery his two sons were there and that he passed peacefully during the night reportedly suffering from cardiovascular disease the family grateful tonight the outpouring of love thinking about his family as we celebrate his music tonight. I'm David Muir. I hope to see them all. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight.

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