20 Episode results for "Catton"

An Evening by the Campfire

Get Sleepy

42:14 min | 2 months ago

An Evening by the Campfire

"Good evening and welcome to get sleep. Pay the podcast. Why we listen. We relax and we get sleepy. My name is thomas and arm. Your house tonight will enjoy settling down with one of life's most relaxing seems a crackling campfire on a quiet evening amongst nature. I think this is a story. You're going to love now. We know many of you depend on this podcast to help you settle down at night. And that's why it's so important to the team. And i that we can continue to bring you to free episodes of get sleepy. Every single week without our sponsors. That simply wouldn't be possible. So a big thank you goes out to candid candid. Is the invisible. Comfortable and removable. Teeth or lineup. That is head and shoulders above the rest candidate only works the very best specialist orthodontists. Your treatment is prescribed and closely monitored remotely by licensed orthodontist. Who's an expert in tooth movement. The average candidate treatment is just six months. 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You can grow thicker healthier hair and support our show by going to neutral phone dot com and using primarily coat. Get sleepy to save fifteen dollars off your first month. Subscription this is best offer available anywhere and it's only available to us estimates for a limited time. Plus you'll get free shipping on every order get fifteen dollars off that neutra phone dot com spout and ut on a f. o. L. dot com. I'm promo code. Get sleeping for her. A strong issue on sale. Now as you prepare to drift off with visions of a warming soothing fire. Take a moment to make sure you're nice and comfortable. Imbed begins with a deep breath in and as you inhale squeeze or your muscles and how to the tension for just a moment now ex and let it on guy. Release your face muscles your neck. Your shoulders your chess. Your back your arms and your legs with each deep breath feel the tension of the dame drifting away. Continue to brief deep but gently in through your nose and out through mouth. Allow your thoughts to just come and go notice how they become a little quieter to bet more distant with the checks hale and as she begin to travis the border between conscious though and the land of dreams let the image of a beautiful sun sat. Fill your mind. It's collar and changes as a clown split by the sun groups to water horizon. It's here in this peaceful scene where al story begin. It's the horizon is ablaze in fiery red deep orange and blush pink. The fiber in sunset is only visible in slivers between the trees which stand thick tool around you. But what you can see of. It is truly magnificent. The sky above is darkening to a silvery blue. As night approaches the very fast stars beginning to twinkle faintly they're brilliant swelled grow as darkness falls here in the forest. Your private coppin stands behind g a haven of comfort and rest your head inside to sleep in a while but now you want to enjoy one of the best pots of where you're staying the firepit. It's large and ring twitter. Heavy grey stones despite. That jacket dangles a fit together while creating a protective circle around center the remnants of someone else's fire a still visible smooth chunks of blackened wood and mounds of ashish provide the pathak base for the one. You make now from a short stand. Neither cabins porch. You collect an armed for kindling. Your hosts kind enough to leave some crumpled newspaper and wood shavings to help you start a fire. You carry them all over to the pit and sat them down in an untidy heap one by one you place. The pieces of newspaper and bundles of wood shavings inside until they form a neat to mound own around you era. tufts fordham. Piney does on the ground as well as dry leaves and grasses you ambu around the five collecting handful of them to use as tender. Careful not to unsettle the mound. You've already bill. You push the tender into the cracks and crevices near the edge of the stone circle as a box of extra long matches you tap open the cardboard and slide out one of the thin wooden vice dot holding it gently between your fingers. You strike on the rough red side of the box in an instant. The end of the match sparks to life sending up a little puffer sofa. Which tickles your nose. You carefully poke it into the pile. Watching is the edges of the newspaper begin to glow and cow back on themselves. Before long the mound goes up in flames carefully you rest the pieces of kindling on top. The thin rough splinters of wood stand in jumble around the banning santa like matchsticks dropped on the ground but soon they begin to catch as well. The fire is for a moment. You sit back on your heels admiring your handiwork. The kindling band slowly. But you know it's deceptive. If you don't build up the fire scene it could go out you stand and walk back over to the porch. Your hosts have left. You a generous stack of five for you to use you please. With a keanae you gather just the right size and shape locks for the new blaze rough word rests in your arms as you carry it back to the pet. Nyquist the kindling. You have to be more careful setting these pieces down much heavier and could roll away from me. A coupla locks knock against each other making a pleasantly hollow sound like a passan tapping on a wooden table from the look of it. You'd guess these lungs oak maple or ash. They've been script well and was stacked in even rose by the u. Pick up the fast lock which rests comfortably in your hand taking can not to get too close to the flames them. Sounds you rest. The word against one side of the pyramid of kindling the rough mound collapses slightly under its weight causing the embers below tha ban even more brightly with the infusion of oxygen cloud of tiny spock's flies up from the combs engulfing the lock you watch closely as it begins to ban fast united a faint glow around the car. Tach of lock the bark lights up before the call which resists the flame at fast not soon the end catches fire them red and orange flames travel up the spine of the lock reaching the author and in a matter of minutes. That's your cue to add another. The lock rests at an odd angle against the fast licks fire hop onto its back and then pushed down to the fixed center. You place a third log against the fast forming a ten shape. This will help you have a strong structure as you continue to build the fire for the rest of the night near the firepit as a long tree trunk resting on to study stumps. It's a kind of rough hewn bench paste the pathak distance from the fire. You test it gently with your hand before taking a seat it feels study and has a little bounce as you press on it when you sit down the rough bark prekaz the back of your legs but it's not uncomfortable if anything it serves as a reminder that the forest is the natural environment you can sense the heat from the fire on the front of your legs and on your cheeks. It's a delightful contrast to the night which is cool without being called the fayas warmth wraps around like steam from a bath making you comfy and content a light breeze rustles the trees you can hear the two trunks creaking as they sway back and forth branches move and shift rubbing against one another i above the ground small clumps of pine needles dropped to the forest floor with delicate thumps. Every gust of wind sends up a flurry of embassies from the campfire. It reminds you of blowing into a fireplace as trial and watching this spots. Dance their way up the chimney and out of sight. The pres brings out the slight chill in the air at the end of your lock bench. United states neatly folded blanket left for you. Buy your hosts you silently. Thank him for that kindness and consideration as you reach for it thick fleece cascades around your lap as you folded in a single motion. Then you wrap it around your shoulders crossing the edges over your chest and talking the corners on your legs not only. Is it cozy. It feels protective wrapped around you. This way the cool touches your face and hands about your car remains so wonderfully warm temperature little while you close your eyes enjoying all the sensations happening right now in this very moment fire crackers and snaps neo feet every once in a while it. Lets off a longer pop. Or as the fire finds pockets of sap you could feel catton's of won't billowing toward you with the breeze and sacco's your legs and reaches through the blanket you will say since the heat on your eyelids chess sensitive to changes in temperature you can see the rippling reddish orange glow through them to evidence of a fire banning in the darkness in the forest beyond your private firepit crickets chapter and A few bands main cologne low kudos to each other through the trees. Some of the animals who are more active at night shuffle through the woods and the distance. You hear the faraway snapping of tweaks and rustling of underbrush there. You can't see it or hearing it. You're aware of two cabin standing behind. It's your safe haven for the night and you welcome the comforting shelter and rest it promises without thinking about it. You shift your weight on the tree. Trunk bench creeks as a bounces. The tiniest bit your shoes crunch across the dry ground laden with pine needles beneath your feet. They feel like pillars. You imagine that despite a name they might be quite comfortable to rest on for. The forest is fresh and clean. There's a hint of pine which into mingles with the center of dry and dusty. Fallen leaves smoke from the fire. Brings notes of a maple and dash to your news. United that every long smells slightly different as it bans. Canning your is once more you pick up a long stick resting by your feet and use it to poke the fire the charts stump papa disintegrates into hundreds of smaller pieces with the pressure. It's as though you've broken a magic spell that had been keeping them all together with the heat a second. Look as mostly. Turn to ash with a few lumps of bent-wood mixed in when you start the ash with your stick. It sends up a thick gray cloud that smell of dust and smoke. You pick up another lock resting on rim of the fire pit and toss it tonto the embassies tendrils of fire pop science consuming it slowly and deliberately you use the stick to agitate it every once in a while watching how. The shape of a fire adjusts to compensate. Occasionally it's foundation breaks packed and the lock drops a few inches sending apponaug a plume of spock's and smack time the fire grows bright time and dimmer in time you add morlocks and watch them and to act. The heat rises with a crackling lock and then diminishes as the flames were seen behind. A wound of glowing. Embers fire has a natural cycle just like own offer things in nature. You think if you want a long enough you learn its patterns and rhythms as you watch the long span. You feel your eyelids beginning to grow heavy. Ooh after some time the flames died down until all. That is a smoldering pile of. Mba's you blink. Slowly and the glaring those blair at the ad trivial fisher. A yawn makes its way up your chest. Let it out. stretching your arms over your head. Sleepiness is overtaking you. It's time to get ready for bed. Your cut out the fire and then tuck yourself into nakuzi sheets inside your quaint little happened. United the bucket of water on the porch standing up. You feel your leg. Muscles engage a carry towards the cabin. Where you retrieve the bucket with a slow motion of your hands. You pour the water over the smoldering remains if you'll come the hot to rox ringing the fire pit his ass billowing clouds of steam escape it reminds you of being in a sauna feeling the wall moisture touch your chest and chin you pick up handfuls of dad and trick with him over the fire. Pit they own douse any last embers. That might be left. The smell of smoke and dash is stronger now into mixes with the fresh aroma of the nature around creating a familiar. You've always associated with camping in the woods with a smile. You remember you'll get to sleep in a crisp clean bed tonight. It feels so luxurious to be out here tucked away in the forest but with all the creature comforts. You could possibly desire once. You're satisfied the fire safely out. You sat down your stick and fode up a blanket leaving it in a tidy square draped over the lock. You hope the next person to stay here. Well get use out of it just as you did without the fire can appreciate town dock at truly get set in the what's the inky blackness around is so complete you can't even make out the shape of your hands or arms in front of you looking up. You see the dark out. Blinds of the pine trees stretching into a midnight blue sky where millions dazzling starts twinkle shine buffy scattered across the fastness of space like sequins on an evening gown directly above you. You can see the milky way galaxy during an elephant. Why top three the sky when the fire and brightly you could. Bali may cow any of the stars and was too much light at high level. Now it's as though the entirety of the universe is at your fingertips and more breathtaking. And you've ever seen it before you consider the secrets that night hololens. Sometimes it takes the absence of one thing for enough to shine along. You stand aside the firepit pit the more your ice adjust to the darkness that surrounds so completely same. You're able to make out fake shapes. I kind of knock bench and some of the modulus stay in the ring by your feet. You see the outline of your capping slowly make your way to once stepping kathleen across the uneven ground. How wonderful to have the stars. Guide you back to your home tonight. You think you appreciate the beauty of this moment and how it's helped you slow down and appreciate the data. That's own around you reach the korch tan right looping around the side of the cabin you find the set of steps leading to a sliding glass door opening at you feeling signed with your fingertips for the light switch with a i know clowns up at the night sky you flip the switch which lots your cabin with soft light you step inside and close the door behind making your way over to the bed. You turn on the lamp on the side table and tana the overhead lighting. This way it will be easier to make the room dark again. Once you're in bed you feel nothing. Yawn coming on and let it out. Blinking slowly as sleepiness. While within changing into your pajamas. You found your day clues and place them besides the back finite your ready to climb in you. Turn off the lamp and a blanket of darkness force on the cabin. Using your sense of top alone you pull back the sheets and slept in between them. Feeling how cool and smith they are against your skin. You settle down under the cavas. Let your head sink into. The cloud. Like pillar yawning a fad time shift. Until you're in the pathak. Spock and then close your eyes. You're too tired to think of anything in particular. Say you let your mind wander back to the campfire outside you. Think of the flame dancing across the locks the smell the ash. And would you fill the warmth of the fire moving toward you with the breeze. And you hear the gentle sounds of snapping. Hissing and crackling wench. Susie into peaceful dreams. Good night's

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VICTIM OF LYFT DRIVER SHOTTAGE !!

The big d zone

26:55 min | 5 months ago

VICTIM OF LYFT DRIVER SHOTTAGE !!

"Escape us game escape escape. The big these deem means just enjoy the show. Debate these okay. This is as dj operation Transfer i'm trying to transfer to the motel six a request of the ride about some time ago They don't print out the tickets. Like i got a ticket to mccain airport. I might not have no time to the last minute. Play at the oil hotel. That's the one that took over the who does hotel. I know handle time because look long as it takes to get the driver. I still on all my driver is to get to the hotel. Thankfully over here and i'm going to get the diver before i go to the lifter because ninety five degrees out there seriously and i don't know my driver if dad dad with the driver shortage if a dad frigging bed i mean. I've wanted to lease the hotel at six thirty nine. Get up at five thirty and everything like that. I'm only going to the airport. I wanted to get a last minute gambling and then you know whatever whatever whatever happens whatever happened and then i was open to go back to the hotel just rope but may not be that way because look at how much tiny dictate driver driver is. I don't i don't know old catton driver. This is ridiculous absolutely ridiculous. I'm glad i travel. Even i went to vegas almost half a week. Holy i gotta stay at the motel six maybe more productions unit practice for my for my presentation. I might as well do that. I got no time to do anything i gotta get. I gotta get a burly because of the driver. Unbelievable this is a nightmare. Drivers no drivers then. He told me to tell again the next time. I'm not only now to start bus until i gone. I'm glad i'm glad. I'm waiting here sitting down and so there's no drivers and i say okay. Let me try latent. Because i still got to walk to the north interest anyway and it's just a short walk but i was going to wait until you know the fall ypres as though because i don't have a diver. They didn't find a driver is absolutely. This is definitely true and unusual punishment on time to do as transfer to another hotel. I mean i didn't get my money at at. I checked out. I think last time. I got money back in the day when i was doing here which i didn't know about so i hope not like dead but this is thing so and flush dating on. You know who my is. I had told the waiting save. Hopefully that would be a lot better. Because walking over there and wait and dine and he'd i usually don't go outside during the day. So i don't appreciate that list i mean now. I know a lot of diverse They are pushing for drivers on facebook. And i saw it on my you now. And i don't even drive. I don't even drive. I just use deliver. This is terrible absolutely insane. I gotta wait for live to give me too much to my operation. Transfer gail sustain. Okay i have a dangerous plan b. I still remember where the hotel is. But the problem is nine hundred degrees. And if i had to walk away from the connection to get to the caliber and then get to the bridge to get to where. I walk to Tropicana than the oil hotel and then tropicana. Unless i walked very slow. Okay i got a mask on. Carry on items and i got a cold real. I wanted to go to because the only fastest way to get to the hotel. I am still waiting to fulfill one until three zero seven. Were almost going into the lineup. The last time. I checked the fastest kept to check in checking. Note divers available this time. I'm waiting as still waiting. And it's almost a delay party dwindle wind up charging my phone. And then if i want to stay by the entrance i can't because the why fly cut low. Cut off some parts of the hotel like you on your excellent in the hotel. They'll go violence. You put an on on data. I might have to wind up doing really. Wow i don't want to pass out. I mean vain. I spoke to be alltel by now. I won't have anything to do. Just focus on during the production and rest before. I go to my flight. Otherwise i mainly satisfied. What the anyway. Luxor past the failed. Lots are pass. Lift failed auto way. Okay on my head to wind up doing something dangerous. I saw daredevil on fantasy. I might be. I might have to be him because it's almost late lindo. It's approaching three seventeen. I have no driver. I know. I think i might know how to get to this caliber. I'm trying to find out how to get to the bridge. Stick it to. But i don't want across the street to get there. I don't wanna cross the deep to get there. And i know i know. I don't know what the cat is to the tropicana and ingo their kano and wait there for. But i don't wanna cross no streets on an i don't know what to do. I might have to be daredevil fantasy. But i'll let you know the final results. Whenever the i did hotel. I mean this is camp. Absolute lewis t now the three hundred dollar room number but this is dave. I'm charging my phone. Some parts. When i when i leave the hotel. The ball to the north end connects no by not not can get it right at the top of kanner unreal. What's again. I'm a victim of the lift shortage. Holy prince dj. I had to make an executive decision to be like the daredevils on sanity. That i thought the other night and walk in this heat thankfully there was a covered bridge because i kind of remember a little bit of where the bridge was called the last time i've been here. I'm not the time to get to the motel six. But there's like one street to cough before you get to the oil hotel. That used to be hooters and i think side street to get to the motel safe. I don't wanna have to pass that. I can't see. I am wearing a mask. I don't want to wear it but there's still a lot of people i mean. Come on this. But i'm only doing this because the causes sake but holy. This is terrible. Lift definitely failed this one but what what going to do when i go through airport. Martin i can't practically walk. I have money on lift. I can't proudly metairie airport. I mean i got a feeder before born in like forty. Five eight fifty. Whatever the hell you know. Holy this is terrible absolutely terrible. I can't even get the plan to do what i wanted to do. Later on tonight. Except for production. Oh lee can't do anything tonight. Unless i play a little bit at the top ten depend on the amount of money back but i wanted to get my car data. Well i don't know if i can't walk to try to can again probably try to oil hotel. Maybe get some business and see what it looked like the changes inside. I think they one time that the restaurant will still be there. Be some of they are. But i don't know i'll decide later tonight. If i can't if. I can't time next time this is why don't go to vegas. In the summer thankfully was wind out. The daily was lynn's thankfully thankfully because what i would have been dead. I would've been dead list. You failed the nightmare. Continues it all. Check the price of the taxi to get to the motel. Because i can't be well. I could see a little bit but kathy deg on thing when it comes to streets in the daytime. I'll see how much it taste. Go to a topic cana I mean our motel six. And you know. I'll take it from there had the lineup taking. Because i can't deal with this this this this too much. The left utilities. I made to tampa. That's motel six elite light. On for you know kevin thanks to lift. I really did the fact from fantasy last night. I walked to the excalibur to get to tropicana field. I knew they had a place. Because i stayed at the motel six before. But that's laugh. Is that law. cost me. Because there's a street before you go to the hotel. And i think that's a small steep before you get to the motel six. I believe but i didn't wanna cause the day either told the cat die. But i can't drive so i had to wait on the care with with no problem because the cab always come down there as the days credit card thankfully yes. I have wound up spending eight dollars and something knowing. Let me see how much i pay for the capital that has here and the shoot okay. I paid the yeah. I paid eight thirty three eighty dollars a three-set because both to be six dollars and believe they. They do a stupid surcharge. So it caught me thousand. Thirty three said click adult telescope close. And then i had to pay for the The day gone high speed. Because i do podcasts. I'm done that. I could do. Tonight is the productions. I can't go anywhere tonight. Even though i don't even wanna give me the money. By the time they give me money. I could be on plane going back to saint louis. They have a. Gimme back the money on my other car. I can't even know because the one the tech the car. I could do it online or it all. I can't they balance. Because the only time. The only way that i could see the card is if If i use the car. That's the only way but i used another car You know what the what the hell i mean. Holy it is hot. Thank god i didn't carry no extra bags. No thanks to lift. Thanks to that driver who pass. He's definitely going to be on the who. Who failed las vegas addition holy. I am out of breath. But like i said earlier. Thankfully there's land there was a there was some winds blowing and all that stuff and the the only thing is i had. I was placed in a smoking. Even i know smoke in still have smoking little bit bud as okay. I'm tired and at the air conditioning. On and my god. I mean why absolutely why so. I'm here relax. Low bid. Hopefully the tv will stay on. Talk to have light light by the it. Okay i can see. I guess this from not go with good light but i didn't know how to hang on the video handle could lighting. I know how to video crap. I'm only staying one night. But i could do. I could say a night or two nights at the at the motel. Six by the denny's over over in You know why. I i went to before i moved to saint louis looking for apartments so i could do that. But unbelievable can't believe will allow the travel club. Because i made it to the hotel now whole lee so my vegas will vegas venture will be ending in a few hours and you know i don't know what about a half when i get dare or if i had to like back but let me tell you hamlets a bill that i all gonna literally laugh. Olivia laugh. I only know six donald Change tad. I only owes dollars. Entertainers that's it. That's all all up. I'm hoping that they take it out of the older stuff like that. But i should do that. I thought oh six thirty seven six. Whatever six thousand eighteen can be right. That was a perfect. They're scared it was going to be more because the only thing that i think that i charge on rome was the late checkout which i did. I'm glad i did. Because who knows i would have been tied out by today coming leaving before. Twelve o'clock high noon really my god. I'm glad i ice cream seriously. They will be a las vegas a special vegas edition of who passed. Who fail either here. Or when i return to the main psychopath i take main second palace because now i'm at the at the extension at the second Los vegas so holy debt was terrible ninety five degrees that i had to welcome. Thank god there was purchased on the las vegas strip side. But the escalates did not work had to walk on elevator. Thank god they had elevators. Did ninety five categories. I had to be the daredevil that i saw fantasy although i didn't have the ahead no bow and arrow or i didn't end up a i did have a bow narrow i didn't have a whip you now and i did the only thing i had to escape. What the heat. Holy while you can tell. I remember show was when i saw fantasy because last time when i saw Sanity even five or four shows that had they had a dunk comedian longstanding comedian Get because covid. He can come or maybe he had another engagement. What happened to the comedian. They have somebody new coming to fantasy but anyway anyhow one two three it is a split the region a split the jin ha unbelievable unbelievably. Well i will be doing the To class clown probably later tonight. Before i do it. I will listen to what i what i did. And then i will be on the final installment for the state of the union address I wanna do it before. I leave here in oughta gas so much for listening to join me in this nightmare. Going back to the term for going to tampa rotel vanity. Y'all be that much really. Can i marry all show in. I married all joe really anyway. So i was hoping Tasteful no i check the at the motel six at all the turmoil with this crazy list orders. I mean people vacations are here vegas. I mean they don't have the time to be stolen. I love watching the news when the local news here in vegas where people were waiting a half hour after a fight in a cat the bag and they had to go to the lifting uber. Pickup area thump. People waited at our. And i had to do the similar to that because i did the usual Short on where. I had a where i you know. It'll be like eight minutes Can't find the diaper can tunnel. Divers can't find the diver next part can't find the diver. I laid it in save. It would be like two fifty one two three o'clock mine new mine. You know three seventeen to fifty to three seventeen that with my window mon. You checked out before for a two o'clock my check out. Check out time because every Checkout and so what happened Name was taken away a. I was getting stolen. I got to walk the he the time. I'm just trying to have fun. I just hanging out fake Is but tamara had totally. Why you have to do this to you. And all the people that had to get to the play cut tomorrow Name anton of not my friend. I had to switch it up a little bit as she still liked that thong. But anyway my On a flight back anyway. I had to dostam human yeah. I'm sorry i'm just so ticked off at lift by now holy lift. You failed big time absolutely big time. What you doing anyway. So i wanted to check in at the facebook Any you could. I always put stuff Pity country yellow. Llc facebook page fell. I take them notices and guess what. I am recognized as one of fantasies. Tough fan on facebook. I don't know how many stop fans that fantasy has. Another got a lot of fan but Did it it did it again. Fantasy did it again today. They recognize me at one of the tough fans on facebook. Because i got sharon page and would have liked that and They did it again. Like vegas other than lift. What are you doing. Other than lift but Yes though frau but End is already five ten. It took me all this time to get here all this time. I could have been here way at checkout alltel and from the luxor no i had to walk in the heat couple of visits canoes escalators and i will very slowly very slowly because i did not wanna patout lau. Thank god for breeze. Thank god for a breeze because the breeze. That's why i don't go to vegas in the summer. I tried to wait until the fall. But i had to go at this time because i was going crazy so new york. I'm not going to new york. They're not ready to let the mandate yet. Even though city see is listing some for those who are fascinated. I'm not going. I'm not giving business to new york. No rather give it to florida because even the governor of florida is going to be Pardoning some people that was up parni. Everyone that will you know. Didn't like the mask on. So i think it gives them more business to florida. Vegas clues that it won't my money. Nope nope no no. No no no no so while time as a commodity. There's no sense of urgency anywhere. None absolutely none third to urgency. So anyway i just wanna let you in on here and thank you again fantasy. I mean wow now. I mean At the show they recognize here at the top fan right right off the bat in on their facebook page. I guess it's one of my post in here. Come here come. Fantasy recognized me at the top santhal bravo bravo. That's why Show big country. You're rather than shell to Football teams vegas and than the kansas cheese. So anyway esl tomorrow. I got a flight to figure out how to get there in hotels on the get. I other incidental feedback. I don't know how much of a good back because already charged fifty dollars to delay feed primarily. Get one of them back. I'll get at least if i get one of back. Should be okay because that's thirteen dollars. Postal to the airport. When i was gonna cut by me thundering. Now i can't because of the stupid lift that was a total disaster total disaster thankfully with at the end of education. Thankfully all the time. I have to have trouble with live with when i put a part of the I had a dividend. David like pay pay a couple bills. joined digital digital daily digital clause club and and i also I also yeah. I also got ready for my back. The bathroom On carnival paid off. So i'm glad. I did it today in play. I just played with the rest. Saw your time time time. I guess it's not valuable at the thought.

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Week 7 Browns at Buccaneers Reaction Podcast

Buccaneers Observer

27:26 min | 3 years ago

Week 7 Browns at Buccaneers Reaction Podcast

"Look into the buccaneers observer podcast this Ralph Phillips, Molly bang, man. What a game we're gonna this game. That was entertainment, man. That's what you'd look for everybody. Of course. Everybody wants their team to win. And always makes it better cherry on top. But a lot of people are like, oh, man. What blowouts all the time? No. You don't this is what you want good entertainment to be fair. It was ugly football. It was a little ugly ugly. So I can see why people would be concerned about that. However, However, I would like to point out that some of the most memorable moments and football are ugly plays. Yeah. I agree there Scott that giants helmet was on kind that caught it on his helmet. Who was it? That's not a clean catch. It's an iconic image. Yeah. Wasn't there? One with Terry Bradshaw. And the Pittsburgh Steelers at hail Mary. Before my time. But yes, it's a comic. So my argument will be ugly football sometimes makes the best football. There we go here. I all you psychologists out there with that. In your new book, come on guys, like quit, the freaking out quit one. You know, there are people out there that wanna fire the coaching staff. Fire. Everybody words for Mike Smith. I mean, but you still have the foundation there. That's one part. These people just want to blow up the whole building think. Your odds are worse. Getting better coach in there. It happens sometimes. But I think the role of the dice is not fifty fifty. It's, you know, you're you're going to get more bad coaches in your good coaches. I mean, really how many times are we going to do this? Right. So I've been watching the bucks for ten years and have known I'm on my fourth head coach two and a half years that we need to stop that just for your sake. It sound working. Obviously. What is I'm set? You know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Oh, come on guys. It makes no sense. It is much easier. This is around for always tell tells me it's easier to destroy them. It is to build. We're building something here. We're doing at one piece on a time. You know, we come into the season. We've got our quarterbacks out. We got a backup in there. We've built this monster receiving core. That's that's taking some work. It's taken some work. And it's taken time. You know, we got Evans I and now, you know, we're time we've accumulated home, then Godwin, Sean Jackson. We had to sign him. I mean, it didn't happen overnight. And we have one of the best receiving cores in the league. We could lose to Sean Jackson and still be a darn good resigned. Glorifying which we don't want to do that. By the way, he did tweet after the game. And just said we're looking forward to you know, we got the win. But we got some more work to put in and that's good to hear from him. Because he didn't have the best performance. Today. But it's nice to hear that. He's in it. That's a good attitude to have this. I like this hasn't just you know. And I think it's endemic of the team just hasn't given up good. Yeah. Like, I just gonna give up today at all to the very last second captains RO had every reason. Today. But the reason over sure gonna miss that he has long of fifty seven yards. This was a fifty nine yarder. He had missed one before him Masek stra point. I mean that gets in your head. He missed one last week. He's in his own head and a lot of criticism on Twitter. Is that cutter? Made the decision that kick the field goal at the end of the fours. I think it was instead of going for the end zone. We had forty five seconds left. And he is trying to kick a field goal. That comes are. Mrs sends us an overtime. Yeah. So people are saying that's too conservative. He played too conservative. He should have gone for the end zone. I have a theory as to why he didn't do that. What is your the offense of line nearly cost us that game? That's what I'm saying of. I think I'd have to with you there. They were the worst performing unit before by far. So James led the team in rushing yards with ten carries for fifty five yards. How are you going to let your quarterback are all scrambles to? Exactly, he they don't do a lot of design fronts with him. Do they I mean most of the time it's either he's trying to buy time or all the receivers are covered. So he just scrambles. He's always getting pressured back to getting a lot of pressure. The point we're trying to make here you got four sacks today. Didn't he he he got sacked four times twenty three yards which Baker Mayfield wasn't much better? I mean, I think his was five for twenty nine yards. So it wasn't even. I mean, we James got sacked almost as much as Baker Mayfield with our monster defensive lines. Yeah. Yeah. And it's the offense line is just really not. Alamar pippig. Good today. Yeah. He did. Good and Jetson figure that I didn't see them. But I haven't got see all twenty two right? Yeah. So we we really won't be able to tell definitively that this is what it is. But this is my theory is the offense a blind causes that game will nearly costs. But I like to see that that, you know, our defense was the weak point our defense. They all knew it. They were given up. These big leads the offense. You know, how to keep putting points on the board. Now granted there was issues there with the offense make a mistake. This isn't a new problem. It's been happening all season. But we were just distracted by how bad the defense was good point. Looks like the defense got short up the day. Did they look good? And you know, it's hard to tell Cleveland, they're not the Cleveland Browns that we've seen in years past. But the other team they're a good team. So I think the test is really going to be next week with Cincinnati. See how I am nervous about this one. They're playing really good. They're playing good football. This win against the Browns game cutter and his crew more breathing room, but not a whole lot making go into Cincinnati and stink it up now. And the defense really improved this week. They look so good. I did look good. Yeah. So our linebackers are in the one that showed up on low volume. Ta Darius Taylor in Kwan led the board with tackles good. Yeah. But interesting tidbit. There's one thrown in their second second leading and tackles was just an Evans. Wow. Great hill. Yeah. You've really turned it around. And I didn't I didn't even notice. His name not at all. And I didn't notice really any mistakes that the defense was making you saw like two plays. Where look like they were screwed up. But wow. Yeah. Big improvement at such a fast turnaround. I wonder if the players are happy about this defensive coach change, I wonder if it was a mutiny. I wonder who else is getting and you're gonna make the plank. Do you wanna talk about that? So a few mistakes they made a few mistakes for the whole game effectively play very well. Right. Very well lawn. Looked really monstrous Dayton. You know, some of them didn't make the stat board. We talked about this in the last podcast. But you know, Vida, he's not really showing up on the on the stats. But I'll tell you who did today was NASA Carl NASA, he was taking revenge on the Browns aren't good, man. Yeah. They he came from the Brown. He's to play for them. So let me show you said you'll remember me. He did he came in and punched his oh boss in the mental. Great or small. Yeah. So he got two total tackles. And a pass defense to he got two sacks. And a pass. Steve, terry. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A pass defense Anna to quarterback heads. I guess that's the sack to Tf L's. That's probably the sacked too. They can all kinds of stats for a stack. Well, we'll thank the jackpot stat. I wonder if that is or if those are all separate to tackles two solo tangles. Hey, it looks like there's the sex. Yeah. Yeah. So they count for more than one statistic. So you can. Yeah. You can kind of figure out why people are going after Sachs you get all the photo bonus points. Yeah. That's funny ever even thought of it. I I mean, we're not really into two stat. They don't they don't really show that much. I mean, they can. But you never know you need to you can't just can't just take them in ROY just can't you can't just take the stats. It'd be like taking the gross gross from a movie and being able to say, you know, how much how much money have movie made in a year and being able to say, this is the best movie trail. Yeah, staffs, just they don't they don't give you the whole picture. You're not watching the movie, you're not going. This is the best movie. Yeah. It's maybe it's not the best for you. But it might be for somebody else always ways. But I'll tell you what play the game we're talking about defense showing up at defense Lun and allow backers and the Cornerbacks just say they get her. We had they had a fourth and inches on a goal line. Sneak and they didn't get it. That was the play of the game. That's amazing. Hard to do with games. Advani nine percent play. Yeah. Almost every time. Even drew Brees gets those. This little guy. Don't you? I wonder if he does talk like that. Months closely by a lot of jewelry, isn't the end. Like there was like a lawsuit. I think he's said somebody for ring within a values. He it wasn't worth what he thought. It was going to be worth or something something silly wife. Happy with those thirty kids. Now, he's only us three to two. I don't know me. Neither funny me neither anyway. So the defense looked really good. But I do think that our offense of line probably cost us the game. Well, I mean, we approved everything has been improving with all the lines the next one to be exactly I think that's where you go. And it's going to start with Ben and Knockin it will smart for them to make it last because Davis Winston can can scramble and he could sense pressure. Really? Well, so they'll offensive line could compensate for his weakness or he can compensate for the offensive line's weakness. Yeah. Sure. But I think the lack of a running games really hurt us. Winston through fifty two times a day. Right. So and that goes right back down to the offensive line. If they're not blocking for your running back. We you can't get your run game off the ground. And then you know, you can't get any breathing room to your receivers will run a game and yours rate since a drugged up. Doug Morton, maybe that's the answer. Payton. If you're less than don't do drugs, right exist have school, otherwise won't be on the bucks anymore. The problem. So with the run game James lead today in the rushing yards. We talked about a little while ago. Fifty climbs yards pretend carries of his averaging five and a half yards a carry whereas the team as a whole average for three point six yards a carry, and I'll bet three point six yards includes Jameson. That's horrible. God Cleveland average five point two yards their whole team. So James rush better than the Cleveland Browns. Also, that's bad the Cleveland Browns five Russia's, but they shove I'll tell you about in the last podcast. I'm sorry. I can't believe they got rid of call is high. He would have given us fits. And I said I'd only seem job run couple times five times. I think and the so I went back and wash them of his runs. All my gosh. It gives Oakland. He re I it scared me. I was like he is going to destroy is just so fast incredibly fast. Once he gets through that line. He is gone got. And there was one run today where he just had all the room in the world to get through his offense of line. And there's nobody at that second level. No bucks defender. You're like, oh, no. But are tackling definitely gone much better. We were talking persona Thurs. Yeah. They were supposed to miss a few. It miss any. That's true. But are passing game didn't really suffer that much for it. No. Putting points on the board. And that's a problem. Yeah. We won. Putting the most points. We're going to say that after every negative we one. Yeah. Yeah. But I think you do I think you do focus on the offense and blind. And so if there I think cutter will what do you do? I don't know. I you know, Ben Anoc is probably a D minus offensive lineman. Donovan Smith, isn't that much better know, plus C. Plus, maybe there's gotta be players out there that are even marginally better given on average offensive lineman. That's yeah. I'm gonna we've got depth both the position. So I don't know what those guys look like Kappa and lackey one don't know anything about right? Exactly. We never see them. Anything's gonna be better than been Anoc. Know, I was out there. Evan Smith was out there. They did the quarter switch, but actually they put Evan Smith in in the middle of the first quarter been Anoc. And I can't remember if I saw him wrestle game. I think I did. But we'll look at that on all twenty two. Well, F N. I mean, he didn't really help us. Our offense of linemen. They accounted for thirty five penalty yards are total sixty five. Holy crap. Yeah. It was Evans Smith. He got one. I think of all star. And then Donovan Smith was his holdings bene-, knockout one. I think man, that's a I mean we had sixty five total penalty arts over half the penalty yards on one group. Right. I'm just the offensive line. And the couple that with how James was sacked four times. He's scrambling. The rushing game can't get off the ground at Saul -fensive line. It's gotta be it's gotta be. So that's where cut her looks next blame this on James, you know, he'd started throwing her Radic in the second half. What it was because he was injured you mentioned that he mysteriously got put on the injury report for hip coming into this game. And you could tell he was out there in the second half limping around kind of like hit with her. Yeah. And he couldn't fully pivot in his throes. Right. So he was throwing some ducks. And he looked a little stiff and after game press conference to do you didn't seem happy. Yeah. I would have said he was in pain. But that's just because I'm reading in all maybe maybe we'll see what kind of things come out this week. We lost Kwan to an injury. I know in the firt he only played one half and had seven tackles that team leader l'amante David had eight so he had seven and one half. And then was injured and they're saying it's a him soon. Soon possible ACL he's in a contract year. That's going to hurt. That's really going to hurt him. I think we'll re-signing, but he's not going to get the big money. Yeah. Because this season he hasn't. We were talking about that. If you have to go, he just hasn't really shown up. None of the linebackers have to be fair. There were some plays where he definitely screwed up in cost us to their yards your points. But so he didn't put on his best showing in the first six games. And now he's not gonna get any more for the rest of the season. Well, he looks good in this first half. So and that's enough to to go. Yeah, he could still play because that's really care about. Yeah. And he's still young. So it's not like he's burning out. He's got his whole career ahead of him. We'd be stupid to get rid of them. He's not going to get that. Big volunteer. David contract. Let's go causing resentment think I'm just throwing stuff out maybe not necessarily resentful at his teammates. But it could but just at his situation, but maybe to make him man you play mad Klay better like defensive Gusset plate mad angry. Yeah. Yeah. They played. They did today. Yeah. Hey had something to prove. I loved after that. Quarterback. Sneak stop at the goal line where they all were pretend they were in a boat. That after the celebrate. And that was amazing when they hit a couple of choreographed moves after the seed got a sack they all do and one that I'd seen lowest like a basketball hoop for. So that's funny. I love that that they're involved like that. I liked that. They're having fun with it. You wanna see that not low Perot? I don't care about the, you know, everyone made a big deal about the dancing on the sideline head to sound care about that. I can understand aggravation behind that. But yeah, it's it's that's that's fine line territory. Right. Yeah. I guess you're right. It's the appearance may be. Yeah. Especially when you're upset and you're seeing these guys happy. Yeah. I'm upset right? Right. The catton's Arao. So he missed glue cable cutters. Got balls the size of cats. Are did you say that? Yeah. Just said that you just I'm not that was that was big, man. I didn't take he was gonna put it back out there. And then I thought this is going to be a fake chocolate. I yeah. And he kicked ball went through. And I was like holy crap. I did exactly like my field. Just like you. Did we're budges like. Face. Not the good one nothing. Good guy. But I like what it says about cut our counter tresses player that goes a long way, I think so anyone that's worked John where you felt like your employer didn't trust you or thought you were an idiot or that everyone else was incompetent. I mean that weighs on you. And that's not a great motivating factor. So you got a boss that he's like, I believe in you every step of the way, you're getting I'm not gonna pull you out. And just from one mistake. It happens. We all make mistakes in what you failed your job last week. And missed a point that probably cost us the game. So what you missed one this week that is really hurting us right now. So what you missed another one earlier today fuel go get back there and travel longest field goal. You've ever tried your life and make Accolate to do think about what that does for his confidence. Can she all the players rush out there? Actually, why Carl NASA had an interview in the locker room, and that was all that he was talking about this big smile on his face just talking about how they believed in Chandler. And they knew he was gonna come back and do it Zoro, Kenton czar, Chandler Caton. Zara. Okay. Yeah. So it was. Yeah. They were just it was amazing. It was a cool thing to see where someone a teammate is happy the furniture teammate, especially God that he could have made it all about him because he played very well on the defensive dead and didn't say a word about that. That's cool. It was so cool. It was a good thing to see so ugly football or not. Yeah. It was fun fun fun. That's good. I just don't get all the all the hate mail. The people be a man, it's all it's understandable. But choose not a good in that past. Yeah. That's true elect like my team everybody on it comes through. Let's just not really productive. Either. What does it do? Well, no, I guess if you wanna get the coach fired. And then he gets fired Ben is productive. If that's your goal. But like you said, it's he's like you said that I say. Caesar to destroy them to build. Exactly, exactly. So I'm curious to see the whole twenty two. What it looks like? Yeah. I want to see wind James kits hurt with his hip. He aggravated that. I want to see what it was coming. He took some shots at there. He was rushing the lot so. Yeah. Scrambling because all of his lung can hold people. The Cleveland didn't do anything that spectacular. I didn't think what do you think? They're always beat us. It was quite spectacular. That's true. They have the turnovers, and they tend to bat balls Allott. Yeah. They do a tip cash. They work like we were talking about in the preview, they're not great at tackling. But they're gonna tip involve and they add some strip sacks. And they showed up, and I guess they did make some place. I think maybe just offense. They weren't spectacular will rookie quarterback. And they're in a position where they're building two rookie quarterback. They're Bill number couple years behind. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly we've earned that though not too long ago. But I think they're doing pretty good for it. I'm staying in toe toe with some of the big boys are so it's like you can't not come for that. And Hugh Jackson. He's done a lot town to turn the organization around. I actually saw a study. I was really fascinated probably saved it somewhere. But never be able to find where they said that teams that a good indication of how good a team is going to be next year. You know, we're always looking for patterns is how many close games they lost. Because it's it's a very average thing losing close games. It's gotta be fifty fifty. If a team wins a lot of close games one year. They're going to be really banned in next year because they're not gonna win. People are going to figure them out. They got the film on them such kidding. Oh, okay. Yeah. You get lucky because a lot of. It's luck. Right. Yeah. A ball bounces the right way or the wrong way close game. Like we had a peppers was running down the field. What he was getting him at field goal range and we tackled him and stripped the ball out. Yeah. No. So that was luck. They tried to do it. But still exactly and then the safety. I mean, we were so close to the end zone because a putt or the kickoff went down to like the one yard line. Didn't it go backwards or hump couldn't give into getting a penalty or something? And we got back after this. Like three inches. So it's like sometimes the ball decision. Bouncer way, you get a penalty. And then you get a safety penalties happen all the time. They're kinda random anybody who's played med those. But totally the same thing. Bill is really mattered in context. Yeah. There've been mistakes mistakes. And it's either you're making a lot of mistakes or their Mark making a lot of mistakes. Yes. So the offensive line have any piddles. They had thirty five yards of our total sixty five yards off thought. It was a great game. I really enjoyed it. I was jumping up and down act like a fool till I like to be it was it was a good one that lasts second. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That was some intensity. And I mean, we were and that's what cutter said we weren't getting the ball back. If either we scored that field goal or we tied the game because our offense went and getting back on that field. So that's why he made the call the put catton's RO in. Yeah. That was smart. And you know, people say he played conservative that was a conservative, right? Not in overtime eaten because if he would have missed that they would have gotten the ball on the fifty right around the fifty and then he cannot new defensive stop them, which they did a good job today. But it was probably there wasn't going to be enough clock. We were going to run out of time too. So it was a good game. I really enjoyed it. And let's get game last words. Well, we talked about Kwan talking about how zero with his MRs. Okay. So he missed field goal the extra point. And then he made the game winner while there were two kickers today that lost the game winner thirteen in one of them was victim, just Tucker, Mr. consistency for the Baltimore Ravens. It was an extra point hue miss tied the game if it's twenty three twenty four there's not much time left. I don't know under two minutes. Probably. So you know, there's Baltimore fans calling for his head. Exactly. Your overhead. You're right. Mr consistency. He's always been very reliable. Well, this is the first one he's missed. Yeah. Career crazy. I know. So what happens, and so, you know for us. It went our way this time we had kicking situation that cost us in the beginning. But in the end it. It it put us in the situation to begin with. Right. But then it got out. And then Dallas today they lost on a field goal kicker. They got rid of their damn Bailey. Mr. distance see also been there forever. So so getting rid of your kickers, not always the best decision. Right. We could still have met Bryant. Yeah. We wouldn't have got rid of hill where Connor bars. Good points decent. So good game. Overall. Glenn? We got a W y'all quit complaining. Good game. Good game guys. All right tomorrow. We'll get up. Well, though, we'll have all twenty two coming out. We'll we'll probably do a further game analysis. This religious reaction podcast will do a further analysis Tuesday. Maybe and then we'll get to all twenty two and the Knicks games preview out Thursday Friday Cincinnati hopefully, Thursday night, maybe our goal. So but life life, that's true. So anyhow, keep checking us out. And if you wanna follow us on Twitter, Molly was tweeting all during the game. She got some good reaction. We love the feedback and everything. So if you want to follow our Twitter and gives a shout out or whatever we are at bucks underscore observer. If you want to go to the website and catch up on all of our podcast. See the information we have there. It's at buccaneers observer dot com, you can reach Molly at Molly bay at buccaneers observer dot com, or you can Email me at Ralph at buccaneers observer dot com until then folks got bucks.

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Episode #1355: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Episode #1355: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"From Miami, Tom cotton's health, alerting Tom cat, the foremost experts on health, nutrition and a longer more fruitful life. Now our studios on Miami Beach. Hey, it's Tom Kathy. Thank you very much. Hello, hello. This is Tom cotton. And I've reinvented myself. I'm happy to do that. I've reinvented is listen to that Miami's Miami. Vice? Tractive city so many things going on. New. Yes. Danger around every corner and health around every corner is what we say about Miami. It's dangerous. But it's it's healthy. And I I gotta tell you. It's something that I have always enjoyed about this great city when you come to Miami, you're in grave danger the minute you step off the airplane, but you get healthier just by enjoying the sun and eating some of the fruits and and vegetables that we have to offer. There's also I'm going to be talking this show and in forthcoming shows, but particularly this show about energy bars. Yeah, I bet you didn't know that. There are a wide variety of energy bars. You know, you can put a little peanut butter on an apple slice or that kind of thing. But there are other substitutes if you don't have the time, and you've seen them all the Luna bars and. Oh, joy and a great many others. And what I like to say is Tom Kenton sets the bar high for the energy bar. And no, I didn't write that. I must confess. I saw that on one of the websites, and I'm kind of making it sound like I invented it. But I didn't that's that's one of the websites. And we'll also get calls today from some of the foremost health experts that I know we've got Anna lamb Leer is going to be with us. We have Blair lending and Ray Borges he will be checking in to talk about their various areas of rain Borges. He is a great physical fitness expert. And at the age of seventy five is still benching upwards of couple of hundred pounds a day. Skit me bait I've got a pretty good physique right now. I kind of laid off last summer I was eating and laying around usually I've got a pretty good size arms. And not I'd say I'd say about three hundred sixty four the three hundred sixty five days a year. I've got pretty large arms, but I laid off last several at around and eating, and you know, how it is. There's nothing like taking time off and just to enjoy life. And I believe a good balances import. I know you've heard this said so many times, but a lot of people don't know how to practice a good balance. I love to eat as we all do, you know, my my weakness is pies and cakes, and, you know, the odd doughnut the odd pastry like that. But last summer I spent every day we were having a chocolate cakes and pies. And it was it was wonderful. But I did my arms got smaller and was putting on the weight, and I looked in the mirror and decided well better get cracking. I know that you're the same way. Well, that's why we're going to bring on Ray Borges, he because he can tell you all about then we have Anna Lemass ter-, and Anna is a bit of a I would say an expert on vitamins nutrients the amino acids in the supplements. And she'll tell us a little bit about that. And what you can do to there are a number of amino acids. There are a number of supplements that you can take that you know, can enhance your physique, and you won't have to Desa -sarily do as much exercising as I do. I do a lot. I do push ups. I do pull ups I do deep knee bends. I do a great many leg lifts, I run on the beach. And there are some days. I can only do one pull up at last summer when I had sort of throwing caution to the wind. I could only do one pull up by by the end of the summer. I could do one pull up one push up. And that was it. But that was enough that began my, you know, coming back from all of that sort of laying around in the summertime has you know, that soy in the summertime when the weather is fine. You can kick right back and you'll. Touch the sky when the weather is fine. You got you can touch you can touch the sky. That's what I was doing. I was touching the sky, and well, I paid the price. So Anna's going to tell us about the supplements that you can take that will cut off the amount of time you need to be exercising. Some of these can enhance muscle tissue. And you don't want to overdo it because I looked in the mirror couple of summers ago because I was on a heavy heavy dose of some of these supplements that Anna had given me and you are shocked to see what's looking back at you. And I'm gonna leave that to your imagination. I don't wanna get too far into that ano- could come on and talk to us about that. Also, we'll have Blair lending. And Blair is one of the great great experts in the mind, and the spiritual out the spiritual out of the of meditation, and did I say that right spirituality of meditation concentration and the yoga's and Blair is a yoga or is it a Yogi? Okay. It's a it's it's hot the yoga. It's physical yoga. But I right about that Blair's not here. It's going to on the phone. Okay. And he'll tell us about that. There's a lot of standing on the head, and sometimes you look at yoga's or yogis, and you ask yourself how do they why are they standing on their head? What is the the physical? What is the health? Benefit from standing on your head. Well, for one thing it increases the strength of one's neck the other thing that does is it can flat on the top of the head. So if for whatever reason you're getting what we call bullet head where they had begins to point. And this will happen when you are not as smart as you used to be, you know, how a lot of people. These days are politically philosophically. They're not we're hearing a lot of really stupid people. And what happens when you're when you're being stupid is your head begins to come to a point at the top. This is called in the parlance, this is called the stupid peak or mount stupid, and it's very common where your head begins to go to a point. If you see a lot of people walking around and their heads are pointed and or they're wearing a hat the cover up the point on the top of their head where the head comes to a triangular. Or a pyramid shape top. That's because they have not been spart enough. They've been talking a lot of sports and things like that which will cause someone's head. So we're gonna talk about ways where you can keep your head from turning into the appear amid at the top and walking around with a point on the top of it. And then of course, the bulk I'd stare which is from watching television and Blair's going to talk to us about that the bulk I'd stare is. When you're both is begin to blend together into one and this happens when you're watching too much television. There's all kinds of supplements you can take for it. There's one that is manufactured by a company called BA loss. It's a French company, which is French for balance. I guess right. And you can take a protein it's called protein too. And it was developed by Balon and if you eat enough of this protein, but you have to be eating it. If you're watching television while you're eating a protein to you're going to have to be eating it by the handful in other words, bottles of it because it will not work. If you insist on continuing to. Assault the the face and the head with the rays from the television set. That's what causes your eyeballs both is to blend together into one cyclops. I and you see that quite often in society as well. So we're going to talk about all of that here today on. Tom cabins health wagon. And I'm so very very deeply happy that you're with us. Kevin's health wagon from Miami Beach to talk to Tom call him at five five five five five five five five five five five five five. You must say it exactly that way. Well, you know, everyone tomcats health wagon comes into your home once a week over these great radio stations. Like, w I we radio in Champaign, Nebraska and W O G one of the Oji radio stations. The walk in Fleming. Manitoba Canada a lot of you. I know have spent a much of your life being a little too involved and a little too inquisitive and a little too intrusive into other people's business. And that creates what you know as fan ear when you are trying to overhear people's conversations when you're sorta sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong your ears begin to fan out, and then get larger you can have two years that are tight against the head within two years of butting in bothering people and listening into conversations that have nothing whatsoever to do with you your ears begin to fan out in large and widen. This is what we call fanny. Ear and something you can do for it is Tom cat and supplement fly. Boy, that's something. You don't want to have happen. You don't want to begin to feel the air lifting you off the ground because the ears are now using the normal aero-dynamics of lift and drag in other words, you're not just hearing with them, but you're able to levitated or elevate even off the ground for a few feet. It's not a good situation. People look and laugh and say there's someone that sticks his nose in butts in and over here's conversations that are done of his business. So get Tom cotton's fly boy, a wonderful supplement. You can get it in the shake powder. You can get into the capsule or the tablet. This involves some very high-velocity ingredients vitamins, minerals and other areas of nutritional amino acid development in our laboratories at top cat institute. So send away for Tom cotton's fly boy and. You'll be glad you did Tom cotton's. Fly boy is available by writing Tom Kenton sly boy box. One busted Washington, that's Tom cotton's fly boy bucks to Winston Oregon. Welcome back here to top Catlin's health alert. Do. We're alive for Miami Beach once a week here on. Your radio, and I hope that you'll make an appointment. You'll you'll you'll make a date you'll set a date you'll, you know, buy some flowers dress up. Nice put on a bow tie and a Cumberland and sit next to your radio each week and listen to me Tom cat with health alert. Well, we promised you three very interesting guests. Let's get one of one right now Ray board Gezi Ray, as I mentioned is a physical fitness expert from Miami Beach in any given day, you can go down the street, and you can see Ray as he's lifting weights as he's doing deep knee bends wearing his t shirt and his muscle shirts and showing all the ladies what he's what what he got. Let's talk to Ray now in Deerfield beach here on Tom catton's health alert. So Ray pleasant, Dave. How are you? Great great. And I was listening to you talking about the supplements that you've got the time I recommend fly. Boy, I had a sister who was a lovely girl. But she could never get a hand lay down flat because there is really got large. And it was because she was picking the phone up extension and listening in on people's conversations making notes and all really, yeah. And then calling the police with whatever she thought was relevant. I I don't know. And we had a lot of family members go to jail, but she paid because she wound up with these two gigantic years, and but fly boy, I think is is bound to help her hold hold is she now she's well into a fifties. So it's too late for you know, now, but in terms of fairly having a healthy dating life. I don't maybe. Well, you know, that's what happens, but. I boy can help anyone who just can't leave well enough alone. And is got the ear pressed of the wall of the upside down glass. Oh, yeah. That is a troublesome thing about lexin. I was out on a beach today, and I was lifting weights, and I was getting ready for our conversation. And I thought about when I went to Hawaii to some ago for those seminars. And I remember Linda was here because she had to stay back and take care of grandkids. And she said you came over a couple of times to visit. Yeah. Okay. He says that you would hit Mounir. You know what I'm saying? She said what she said that you were hitting on it. You know, like wanted to take her out. Oh, oh, that's absurd at absurd. He says it's a well. She claims that's absurd. I was hitting on her wanting to take her out. That's what she was just telling me before I came on the air with you here. Well that never happened and tell her that I'm deeply disappointed in her. She's my wife, she said you were coming over and leaning against the counter was he's trying to do the dishes and following around the house when she was doing you know, Char's asking about this that commenting on the flag. She was wearing you'd have did that. No, I never did any such thing. And if I had done that I would I'd come immediately to you and tell you what what does that mean? I would either you know flight we were in Hawaii. I would have got on a plane to fly to tell you, or at least I would've called you and said, listen Ray, I've just been hitting on your wife, and I need you to know that he would tell me. He says she didn't believe it. Well, I'm telling you that that is absolutely the case that I would come to Hawaii and tell you I have a confession abate. I was hitting your wife. He said he would come to white-sand shit needle. She said, it's the issues the BS word I could hear her. I'm telling you the truth. And you know, what I'll come over there after the show and the three was could sit down and have the conversation about it. Wants to come over and have a conversation book that well, she's angry will tell her that I'm angry angry shit kit care. Well, okay. I say that let's have a conversation about this Ray. Okay. It's very upsetting to hear this. He's gonna come. I think you're right. I would like to have a conversation. But I have to tell you that if I find out that you hit on my wife, you know, I I don't know what I'm gonna do you get to do anything because I never ever ever did that you swear to God. I swear to God God can live well Linden. Angry. All I could hear her. I could hear I could hear the file language using don't worry about it. That look, you know, what take care of your home. And let's talk after I get off the air, and I'll come over, and we could go out and have a hot chocolate or something and talk about it. Okay. No, I I wanted to come over. I want him to come. He's really. No. I know. I know the kind of woman she is. She's I think she's a great gal. She's your wife. I've never hit on her. All right. Thanks very much, Tom. Okay. Ray board Gezi hell about that. Life comes at you. Fast. Doesn't it? It. Sure does life comes at you fast. How about that high? He's telling me she's telling him, and then he told me that or she told she tells him, and she tells me that I hit on her while he's out of town that I went over there and try to sleep Willer, no way not Tom cabin. And it's I think it's also very. Insulting and rude and inappropriate to bring it up on our show. Tom cabins health tips. You know what? I got a I got a call a guy. Just hold on for minute. We'll we'll be right back here. Tom cotton's health alert will be right back. Everybody. This is Tom Katyn. Do you find that you're out of energy that you just can't get out of bed in the morning and make your way downstairs even for a Cup of coffee? Well, it's very common in these stressful times that we live in hard charging as we are. We're gonna lose our energy real fast. Well, anyway, you need to maintain your health, and you need to get your energy back. And that's why I recommend this supplement from Tom Kenton industries. This is a new mixture that I was fooling around with that. I was talking to Gertie and some of the other crew. And I said, you know, what this works. We were taking this over the period of seven days where we're getting ready for the ironman triathlon. And people were hopping around climate on the walls. It was really really a lot of fun. So I recommend that you get a jar of this Tom catton's from Tom Kenton industries. This is the Tom cat and mix. Now ask for it by name, the Tom cat mixed number six. Tom cat mixed number. Six and we'll send it to you special delivery. If you send us your name address, your credit card number two Tomcat and industries box eight six three what trivia West Virginia. That's what trivia West Virginia and send us that credit card information. Your name will send you this Tomcat and mixed number six from Tom Kenton industries. We've done some remarkable things with mixtures and with the different supplements. And I think you'll enjoy this Catlin. Don, Catlin mixed over six get it lasts send a check a money. Order or credit card information to Tom Karen industries, mixed numbers. Six blocks sixty three forty-one by Zia, Texas. That Tom cat mixed numbers. Six and you'll be off the walls. Hop up and down laughter. All of that. Now back to Tom cotton health alert. Master is coming on the line at talk about, you know, mixtures of chemicals and nut chemicals God forbid, but mixtures of our supplements. At when we're talking supplements, we're taught, you know, there's lots of things you can do to increase your vitality, and your your stamina's and one of them, of course, is the use of amino acids, vitamins and irons things like that. But there's also the natural the the natural potions in the natural remedies that Anna's gonna talk to us about Saint John's wart which has been used for years have by people who swear by it. Is a really I think one of the great unsung heroes of the energy wars and right now in Los Angeles. California's Anna Lemass ter- is at one of the health food Expos that's put on every year by will stunting and his wife Jana, Anna. How are you? And how are how are people treating you? It. Good. Hello. How are you doing? You know, talking about you and the builder police officer. Yeah. Because I heard what Ray said do you remember when I was taking a nap at your house, we've been on the beach and I've been to visit. It was a Easter holiday last year. Oh, you'll so certainly do and you were trying to pick my dress off while I was asleep. Remember that I was trying to take your dress off while you're asleep. Yeah. Yeah. I was just talking to Bill about it. He police officer. Okay. All right. I'm following. Well, I don't know. I don't recall that that doesn't sound like Tom cotton. Well, I can tell you I woke up, and you had unzip my dress all the way down the back down the back of my pants. Were you wearing address or a pair of pants? I had on a dress and pants member. We were laughing about it. I got up in the morning. I was so confused. And I was doing what you were taking my dress up, and then you taking my pants off. And you're putting my shoes on which was really strange old. I was helping you one with your shoes. No, I would sleep. And you were taking my. I don't remember that at all. I surely would remember it. If I if I did it what my? The guy here the cop here once information, I gotta send cops to your house. Well, what would you do that? If I didn't do it while you're fair, you didn't do it. But I remember you do in it. I'm asleep. I wake up you're taking my dress off. First of all, let's tell everybody the truth about you. I don't care is is a cross dresser. She's a guy. His name's Arnie. Yeah. Okay. So maybe we were maybe we were getting into the shower or something talking about getting out of the show. I'm laying there sleeping, and you're taking my pants off and my dress and what good luck selling that to cop. You're wearing address you were in pants, your crossdressing that doesn't mean that. I I give up my right to the human being. No, no, it doesn't you're right. But it doesn't mean that. I was there taking your dress in your pants off. And putting your shoes on you weren't putting my Hughes on you weren't putting my shoes on and we weren't going anywhere. We weren't getting ready to go anywhere. I was taking a nap at your house. All right. Just before I went out, and when I woke up you'd unzip my dress, and my pants, okay? And my wingtip you went putting shoes on were taking them off and your wingtips. Yeah. And you were also and then you were taking my tie on. What did the cops say when you told him you're aware to dress pants tie wingtips? Okay. He said what he said. I say what I say I'm gonna tell you again. Just had lunch. I'm gonna tell you get talkative cop, and he wants to talk to you. We'll give him my number. Okay. You got a pen. It's like that. Yeah. The flight flight five number five. Hugh one. To to to. Told him. I I only him. And as the Cup all that. You're you're really a guy a guy. You know that eventually died. Let me. Well, I guy, but that doesn't make any difference allowed to kick. My pant m I dress off is he? No, see what I'm saying. Do with it that is assault while I'm laying there in bed. I didn't do anything other than to unzip address. Oh, that's you weren't able to sleep. Tutu? This ridiculous. And I'm just going to start calling. You Arnie do that. Well, I'm gonna you. Unless you drop the charges now. Forget it. Start calling you Arnie. You know, I'm happy to come on his show every week and talk about supplements. But I'm getting tired of coming over to your house. And having you like staring at me through the curtains or walk into the bathroom. I'm sitting on the toilet stuff. Like that. Let's by house though, you know. Yeah. I know. Let's talk about it some other time. Okay. Anna. Okay. That's police officer tell him Mr. Nuruddin, whatever's name is that I'd be certainly happy to talk to if he really to contact me. I already did. And I did what I'm laying sleep, and I wake up and you taking my dress and my pants off. Yeah. I'll bet you hit a big laugh over that. Okay. I mean, Arnie you. I mean, Anna. Handle Anna Lemass ter- here on top canton. Stick around. We've got more to come here as we talk with our good friend Blair lending. Whereas guy who knows a lot about the meditations. And so what so forth the yoga's? We'll be talking to. Four tickets to see Tom canton's health alert to the right to Tom Catlin's industries, Tom kettles health alert industries and Tom Kenton industries health alert right to all three of those at box six be Nebraska. Tump catton's health industries has been working on now for the last twenty one years, immortality, juice. I think we're coming up on it pretty good. But we still need your help. Please go to Tom captain industries on the website at look for crowd. Sourcing crowdfunding pay me pay me pay me, which is a crowd sourcing app. And just give us more than you can in fact, push yourself to the limit. This is what makes I believe our immortality juice something to really look forward to the fact that we're going to ask you to give us more than you could afford give us more than you could afford push yourself to the limit financially and someday Tomcat and industries will finally have immortality. Juice, and I'll tell you what. And we're going to name it after myself, of course, Tom cotton's, immortality juice, but in my mind in my heart, all of you will be there. It's going to be fun living forever. Tom cotton's. Immortality. Juice, send your money more than you can afford to Tom catton's immortality. Juice crowd source general fund, pay me, pay me, pay me what Nebraska yet, Tom catton's immortality. Juice who better? It's going to be. It'll be amazing. Back here to Tom cat mortality if Tompkins immortality. Tom cabins health alert. It's gonna call it top cat immortality. Jews. Well, who knows in the coming weeks in the coming months, if we develop if we get our immortality juice finally developed that we've been working on for twenty plus years, I'm excited about it. The immortality. Juice for those of you who may not have been with us when we first broached the subject, the immortality juice is a it builds on the goblin juice that allowed in visibility. Or at least we thought it allowed invisibility and that was a learning curve. There's no question about it. When we thought that we were walking through someone's home invisible. And the individual actually saw us and had been tracking us for a good twenty minutes before you opened fire. We lost several people that night. But I remember saying to the homeowner before I was taken away by the police. I said we were invisible weren't we? And he said, no. And he gave me that look. He's shrugged his shoulders. It said no, I saw you coming into the house. I said was any part of invisible and he cocked his gun and put the barrel to my head. And I said I'm done take away officer and the police officer didn't move. He didn't do anything. Standard sweat that went out as the two of them. Got a good laugh out of that. Well, all of that goes into our experience in developing the mortality juice, and I certainly hope that when the time comes for us to unveil it, you'll be with us, and it'll have been worth to you to give us all of your money even more than you can afford because we feel the only way you can fully commit to Tom cat and health industries and the immortality. Juice is by giving us so much of your money that it puts you at risk your family your life, your well being your health. Otherwise, what's the point of someone asked? Well, why don't you do that, Tom? No, I'm not gonna do that you have to. I'm the one that's mixing up the the mortality juice. I've got it right there in a cauldron with a big broom-handled. I stir it every night. What's the point? You know? I could go on forever. There's no point. But there is a point to my next guest happens. Be a good friend of mine. Don't Blair lending for a long long say a long long five years. Seems like a long long five years Blair, but nice of you to be with us and welcome to the show. And we're gonna talk about yoga, I hope show. I hoping talk about yoga after get one thing out of the way on by the way, you're driving. So I don't want you to get into an accident. No, no. I won't get one accident. I think I'm all right. I'm drying them with very relaxed, very relaxed. But I heard I heard Anna, and I heard Ray and some of the comments they made. And I think I would be remiss if I didn't bring up the time you try to fly. What what do you want to bring that up? Because I heard them saying what they said you hitting on Ray's wife, Anna taking a taking his it's his her dress off and you fly. So why can't I say something about it? Let's just part of what we're doing. This is Tom cat health alert. I know it's getting late, but we can't have food for honest relationship, unless you come clean with what you did that day while I was doing those chips. Okay. And I completely at your mercy. I had my arms there on the bar doing chin ups you walked up and unzip my fly. Did it was why were you? You know what I don't? Remember? You don't remember just you don't remember the other guys? No. I don't remember them either. I don't remember coming over zipping your fly while you're doing tune-ups. And I think as again, it's wrong of you to bring that up in this format in this forum. Okay. Because I think that there are better places. Well, I can tell you Mary Wessberg's over here. She was here that day when I was doing chin ups member, Mary did you see did you see? Unzip my fly. Yeah. Okay. Well, she's like tiller. She's a liar. I'm says your life. And now that I saw you do it. You know, I were going out we go to dinner taken Mary Bennett. Okay. You were taking to dinner. And then you came over on my flight and Mary was coming out putting their earrings on right? Mary my evenings on. I remember you being there. I remember him doing tune-ups. I don't remember on zipping his fly. If I did maybe was a joke. No, I don't I don't think it was a joke, especially since you all come on. And now I want I hear mercy. You know, you know, this is got to be April is this, April Fools as gotta be apron. Fools now. Wary. Yeah. Hey, Mary what that you back the back off? All right. You gotta answer. I'll do it. I got millions. Okay. Well, what do you say about all this saying that you're crap? Blair, and no, I didn't. And if you ever want on Tom catton's health alert, ever, again, you're gonna apologize for what you said what kidding me phone? Hey, you back, but your earrings on a white comedian the car, why would you erase wait for being the car? There's your look look at you abuse. That woman I'm not abusing her. Are you crazy? I wanna talk about. We'll talk about it at dinner. Are you to an item? Oh, yeah. We have been for loud. Wow. I didn't know you would whisper. Cared. Okay. You know, what do what you gotta do. You just do what you gotta do man. Okay. What I got. Blair leading. Lehrer lemming, who's a yoga expert. And there's a new form of yoga it's called baloney baloney. Have you heard about the baloney yoga? Well, Blair is an is a expert. He's a teacher of the of baloney yoga, aren't you Blair? Catton's health alert, Tom Kevin. 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Episode 71: Population Stabilization And Biodiversity With Leon Kolankiewicz

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Episode 71: Population Stabilization And Biodiversity With Leon Kolankiewicz

"Music you're listening to the wilding earth podcast immune The rewarding earth podcast Supported by businesses such as patagonia tula and bio habitats as. Well as the weeden foundation and listeners like you if you love the work that the rewarding institute is doing please consider donating at rewinding dot org and be sure to sign up for our weekly newsletter while you're there bianca lanka wits is scientific director of numbers. Usa and vice president of scientists and environmentalists for population stabilization. He's also a consulting environmental scientist and natural resources planner. Leon has assisted. Us fish and wildlife service in the preparation of long-term management plans for habitat wildlife populations and public use more than forty national wildlife refuges in many states and territories. He's the author of two books and chapters and three other books scores of technical environmental reports a dozen studies on population growth and urban sprawl and hundreds of articles today continues a threat of chats rewinding earth podcast with population experts searching for a thread of more effective conversations about human population and its impact on the natural world. Last conversation i had on population was with chris. Tucker a couple of episodes ago and we talk about a lot of new things that you don't get to talk about much because this can be a very very contentious topic as we all know. What are some interesting conversations. You've had that have kind of steered away from the contentious parts of it and we're very very productive. Well one of the conversations i had was about twenty years ago with my old mentor at the university of british columbia in canada. Bill reese who later went on to found the ecological co found ecological footprint concept and analysis with mathis walker novel one of his phd students and Bills visiting washington. dc late nineties and said to me. If if there's no other book you can read about humanity's environmental or ecological plight. I would recommend a book by Sociology professor william r catton junior and titled overshoot ecological basis of revolutionary change and. I'd seen that on our bookshelves. And along with hundreds of other books. I meant to get to some day and after my friend and mentors recommendation. I grabbed that book off. The shelf took it home and began devouring it and and learned to look at the human predicament Ecological predicament in a different way than i had before and in a way that didn't just Sort of fall into a blame game. He looked at homo sapiens. An anthropologist or a scientist from mars might look at any species here on this planet planet or in this biosphere as one that endowed with new capacities and new technologies was overshooting. Its carrying capacity in a way that we see in nature all the time when species get to islands endowed with resources there many many instances of this nature. And then you get re if there are no predators and no other nothing else to raise the death rate for awhile. You'll get rapid population growth. And that is what we are seeing in homo sapiens or as bill cotton the author of that book overshoot called it called us tongue in cheek. Homo colossus we were no longer just homo sapiens but with the technological prowess at our fingertips each and every per person exerted far more of an ecological load on the planet than our hunter gatherer predecessors had so the nice thing about this formulation was that it Captured both the population and the consumption aspects of again Environmental degradation or the destruction of ecological capital natural capital. So i found that to be particularly useful and it pulled me away from this tendency that i too had to look for scapegoats here to to be blaming all of humanity or to be blaming particular groups who were then humanity for the predicament that we find ourselves in and stolen entirely haven't found a way out of yet. We got past having to look over our shoulders all the time for danger. We got rid of a lot of danger that faced us we wipe things out got in our way and we didn't just become the top predator on the planet. We became unparalleled. We became a apart from our ability to be easily challenged and certainly extinct. Did maybe yeah is a good made up and then fall back on us to use this awareness that we have seen right fairly unique among our species that we have to the job of what disease are predators or things with due to other populations. We have to do that ourselves. We have to show some restraint ourselves. That's first for a species isn't it. Yeah yeah yeah. We have to exercise a wisdom not the first to say this but humanity homo. Sapiens is right in our. Our scientific or latin name is clever species but not a particularly wide species. We haven't been able to exercise that self restraint that you mentioned because throughout our evolutionary history. We never had to write over tens of thousands of generations. The struggle was to survive and flourish. We left the part of homo sapiens. left africa. Fifty seventy thousand years ago and began its march across the planet Off acting as hunter gatherers even before the agricultural revolution. Eight to ten thousand years ago. We'd already white out hundreds of mega-fauna rate species that we competed with or species that we eight species that were a threat to us Even with nothing you know. Little more than stones and spirit tips and lances and later bows and arrows. We were able to assume that supreme role but Again no one. One hunter gatherer tribe in croatia south of the glaciers during the places. I wouldn't have known what other human beings are doing in north america or south america or australia. Each each tribe each village each cave was trying to survive on. Its own and using the tools that nature nature gave it so again tens of thousands of generations of this and just in the last really since the industrial revolution but You know with the antecedents dating back to the agricultural revolution. Several thousand years ago we are having to only now check ourselves check disability to be quote unquote too smart for our own good and i believe. That's the title of a an environmental philosopher in sweden former canadian. By the name of a trade deal worth. It didn't have a very happy ending because he didn't think there was much prospect of our learning in time to avoid ecological calamity and collapse. It's really strange. Culture clashes with biology. And there's so many examples of people trying to sort out. Why humans do the things we do how we react in situations how we use technology to dominate our environment around us and technology to see so culture and technology and all these things combined with a very very old soul called a species that has evolved over millennia. Long longtime long periods of time and The body the deep body the subconscious even seems to want to do. It's procreation thing. And just like any species on the planet wants to do and his biologically driven to do and then we have this awareness this consciousness of ourselves and what we're doing and then we have then we throw in our culture around that which is kind of like. Here's the man of station. Here's how we language how we procreate like crazy and how our mission seems to be from another planet looking down would be like well all these guys wanna do is just grow and grow and grow and grow and grow. That's that's plainly The outward thing that our species is giving off if anything else. It's just weird to watch. All of these. This very old biology combined with this culture stuff that we the the religions that we used to to procreate and grow and everything. I'm not saying it as well as you will. But is there anything to what i'm saying. Yeah absolutely i i think. All all religions just to cite one part of culture are pro-nato list that is encouraging their members to of their fella greases as we would say in spanish to go out and to How does it go and multiply and replenish the earth as in genesis. I believe it is in the bible. And i think pretty much. Everyone is the same way because they wanted to have. As many followers as possible in a world that is often hostile to them and filled with other religions or cultures a villages tribes trying to do the same thing so and there is something to be said for power or strength in numbers right to appoint until you start to exhaust the resources it takes to maintain those numbers. If there are enough of you then you have enough cannon fodder to resist attacks by other hostile groups or go and take their territory from them and we find it not only in human beings of course but Studies donavan chimpanzees chimpanzee. A groups in africa have shown similar behaviors there. So it's not something that again that we need to feel that we we need to feel guilty for as human beings. We have this ancient biology that at a time when other species and other environmental checks were there to keep populations in check. And keep a relative Homeo- stasis or or balance of competing organisms in an ecosystem community Then That it was important to have that or you would die out and be extirpated or go extinct. Altogether is just that in the case of humanity with our opposable thumbs these brains grew massively in the last several hundred thousand years. It's like Nature outwitted itself in a sense. We're not going anywhere. There's no other earth out there to move off to now. We have got to make it here. This is the final frontier. And we've got to somehow find a way of reining in his passions and these Instincts to always be expanding our power and our numbers and again numbers are a vehicle to greater power which is inherent i think in in the human condition and psyche and again and other other species as well. Somehow we've got to Reckon with that and may not come easily or or maybe we can never do it. But i think You know the challenges there and those of us who care about a viable biosphere filled. Not just with you know. Seven billion or a billion human beings living on the planet that a sustainable way but allowing the space the resources the ecosystems for our fellow travelers here on this planet rolling through space to Continue to survive and evolve as well. You're listening to rewinding podcast. Did you know we also publish insightful. And inspirational content from leading wilding scholars poets artists and organizers. From around the world you can visit rewinding dot org and sign up for our weekly digest receive. Brilliant fresh insights on everything rewinding. You'll find over a decade of articles and news from the front lines of wildland protection and all kinds of restoration efforts. Check us out at dot org and don't forget to share it with friends the militaristic the protectionist view of the more the better the stronger we are as we grow our tribes right that carryover never really accounted for the force multipliers that we developed like gunpowder and for that particular reason we wanted protection and we wanted that strength in numbers as you said and then we got that we started to develop we got more people then we started to develop force multipliers and we still kept on going with the more people thing and it's like we. We never realized. Wait a minute why we started doing this. And then we started to tell ourselves different stories about why we were doing this while we were growing. Now we need to grow because it says here in this bible. It says over here in this. And there's there's compounded ways that society and culture tell us birth what we must do and what we must do is guilt trip. People who who are saying they they might not have kids in and say weird things like you're being selfish like that. Never made sense to me but i hear women told that quite a bit. I've heard a woman get told that in my presence before so i know it exists and it's so strange it's like such a twisted logic but we have twisted ourselves into pretzels justifying this ever growth. Economists loved to do it and once we had the force of force multipliers in place for economies to grow really big and strong. two things. Were unaccounted for. We don't we don't need all this people power anymore to generate economy like we did before because we have these four small suppliers that grow economies and and all of the different efficiencies that we developed do that and and now we have these economies that depend on more bodies to fill banks to take out loans to to generate interest and put batteries in this big machine that we created inadvertently not thinking at all about how its creation or growth would affect literally biodiversity. Those two worlds. Don't even collide to even make that question possible. Economists are so far removed in my view of so many real world things that it doesn't doesn't even make sense to them why we'd be talking about biodiversity when we're talking about economies because they just think about these things right yeah they have a narrow view of what it means to be human and to survive on this planet and really a lack of interest in an ignorance about the biophysical milieu. That makes our survival and are prospering possible. It's only been in well not not quite true. There have been economists and philosophers throughout history. Who have recognized the role of the environment and human wellbeing. And what we now call sustainability but mainstream or sometimes called neoclassical economics discounts. The environment the earth the biosphere resources is little more than another factor of production right that can be substituted for by capital. That is land and resources aren't important you can simply replace them or substitute capital for them. And they're in that world view is just such a a profound ignorance about the shoulders that we stand on developing this complex inter connected Global now industrialized economy. There is an infamous remark a few years ago by an economist nobel prize winning economist. Robert solow i believe was his name. this is back in the seventies or eighties made a sort of a flip remark that the world can get along now in effect without natural resources and what he was driving at again with this narrow view was that the natural resource sector of the economy you know the raw materials as a portion or a percentage of the overall economic output. The gp was drawing was shrinking smaller and smaller. And therefore yeah air didn't matter water didn't matter the fossil fuels that fueled the population explosion. Much of the economic growth explosive. Economic growth of the last two centuries didn't matter because what this economists saw was that they. Wow they're just three percent of the economy. Let's just get rid of that three percent. If we were to get rid of that three percent we still have ninety seven percent of the economy which is growing so that is the the world view. The ecological economists beginning back in the nineteen sixties took issue with because they were grounded in a much more eco centric a view of the world starting with people like kenneth folding the fellow who famously Former president of the american economics association professor of economics at the university of colorado at boulder. Who made the made that famous. Quip that To the effect that only mad men and economists believe that growth can continue forever words to that effect And then you know there were other. Pioneers like harmony daily louisiana state university later the world bank and the university of maryland who began to develop what we call steady state economics which looked to minimize which saw the human economic system is embedded within the global ecosystem the ecosphere or the biosphere right and inherently limited by it and began to look Look at sustainability environmental sustainability as a goal and and trying to conceive of ways where it would be possible to minimize the so called throughput of the flow that is of energy and materials through the economy while maintaining a reasonably stable and satisfactory standard of living and quality of life. But they have been. This has been an. I've been calling an emerging field for decades. Now it's been around fifty years. It has never been accepted by mainstream neoclassical economics. So it's been given short shrift marginalized. And you know who knows what it'll take for this very sensible for economics to become the mainstream none of the progress that we talk about on these types of chats is possible without a governments and without politics. I mean that's just the way. And i think that's one of the reasons that What you just said is so true. We've made it's been out there but we've made no progress whatsoever on it all this time because the people who don't wanna talk about it and found it very easy to bury the topic i mean what level of change are we looking at here. I would say a profound fundamental or revolutionary change shock. And maybe we can do it in an evolutionary manner but the fact is that both mainstream political parties and all the non mainstream windsor wedded to growth. They're equally wedded to growth. Everyone believes and there's some truth to this that a rising tide lifts all boats as it is said but there isn't any acceptance again. This is on the part of bill. Democrats and republicans at the say nothing of libertarians or others even greens. Nowadays there is no acceptance that that tied camp rise forever whereas the water gonna come from more. Generally were where the resources going to come from. so a lot of the supporters of this incoming administration of course are thrilled to get rid of the trump administration and its many atrocities vis-a-vis the environment but still you're dealing with intra political interests. Here that are very much wedded to this model. Neoliberal as you call it model of ad infinitum right and it can't happen in a finite world without major hell to pay so over the line. I've always taken the long range view of this. I wasn't as freaked out when the trump administration came in. Because i'd lived through eight years of the reagan administration back in the early about throughout the eighties pretty much most of it and Trump in my view worse than reagan for the environment and sustainability. But you know the earth and even wilderness areas in this country survived eight years of reagan in one thousand nine hundred eighty s. But we still didn't get off the unsustainable track that we are on Both in terms of this ideological addiction to growth. And you took the words out of my mouth. When you said worshiping at the altar of growth or is the great population condit and physicist al barlett used to put it in growth we trust that's our facto national model. Not in god we trust so and what what the democrats just to criticize them for a moment here seem to have forgotten as the population is part of the picture liberals slashed democrats at one time. Were very supportive of the population. Issue of of acknowledging there were limits to population growth and it would be better for us to voluntarily abide by those limits rather than having nature do it in a four horsemen of the apocalypse type. Way but as a result of the changing demographics of the country democrats two three four decades ago and and liberals and even the environmental community itself began to pull away from or distance itself from the the notion that it was very important to stabilize united states population. And maybe even shrink to a more manageable. Ecologically sustainable size say one hundred million. To two hundred million is still a lot more people than the the twitter's were we would have displaced but a lot better than the three hundred and thirty million that were out now and climbing with no end in sight by twenty to thirty million every decade and democrats and even environmental groups as i say seemed no problem with that. They believe that we can be technological wizards in an act. All manner of technology fixes green energy You know on steroids plaster the landscape with wind turbines photo electric volta panels. And that'll take care of everything with no need to limit our wants and demands including the one forevermore children or ever larger population in the country so again kind of stepping back and looking at things more from a long-term perspective. Although i'm happy that this administration at least superficial now not just superficially and wars an important issue i work as a wildlife biologist and alaska and i would hate to see oil drilling on the arctic plane. They're north of the brooks range That's the grandest is wilderness. Left in north america perhaps Many of the. I'll be happy to see greater support for renewable energy. Although i'm not convinced that renewable energy as even enough to see us through it as has been noted by other engineers and Bar mental scientists while the energy sources sun and the wind that we are tapping into will last as long as the sun does another few billion years. According to the astronomers the materials takes to build those contraptions wind turbans photoelectric a photovoltaic panels etc are not renewable and They they tend to wear out in a matter of ten to thirty years and have to be replaced. That is a big uncertainty. I think Dogging renewable energy and were still too new that game to be able to be certain whether or not it can do the heavy lifting given our current population size and concentrations so. I don't think we can just assume that it's a savior or a silver silver bullet. Everybody's heard this stuff. Everybody hears it every earth day. All of these numbers come out. Everybody goes crazy for a day and then they all go right back to everything before. Maybe it's a storytelling thing. Maybe we have to capture people's imagination of what could be you ever fantasize about what a society of the future taking into account everything that you know and everything that you've talked about today. What does some of that look like. How can you language that for us. Well i do think it is possible to maintain a positive rob domestic outlook towards the future of even recognizing that we must quote unquote live within limits right. We accept that with regard to our own lives as individual human beings. Nobody expects or demands to be able to live forever. We accept that after seventy years ninety years. What have you. and it's increased. Thanks to all these big improvements in nutrition and medical technology that we accepted some some time. Our days muss end that we as individuals concil lead fulfilling lives ended in anything for it to last forever would fill us with on weei and with boredom. So i think it's possible to feel that way about human civilization as a whole and with with regard to the the planet or the biosphere as a whole and look at this magnificent oasis of life we have and a vast desert as it were of cosmos out there on which as of yet We have found no evidence of life anywhere else. We there is something called the rare earth hypothesis that the conditions You know the astronomical and geological conditions that occurred here on earth may be exceedingly rare throughout the you know the galaxy and even the universe beyond that even if it isn't the fact is that Again we always have to do is look at the other planets in the solar system to know how special a place this is and that we need to revere it revere it and treat it as good stewards and as children of that planet hence the the guy hypothesis of James lovelock the that british atmospheric scientists and Lynn margulis co invented that concept. So i think there are ways of doing this without having to be thought of as tree huggers right. We've got to be both pragmatic but guided by kind of a term spiritual wisdom that You know may actually be in younger generations and some of us older folks beginning to emerge as the multiple sort of encroaching crises. That we face get ever closer and bear down on us. Tell us what kind of homework you would like everybody listening to this to do to learn more about the particular ways in which you're concerned with and working on the population of biodiversity issues. I've done a number of studies looking at how Population growth in various cities and states of the country as a driven. Rates of sprawl gobbles up and permanently devours Open space Which is made up of import agricultural land and natural habitat. But more. Broadly i i would encourage people to look at some of the environmental philosophers and this idea of of a carrying capacity which i think is very important because it relates to truly. What our long term prospects are here and when can certainly look up online. I i would highly recommend this book. I mentioned at the beginning of our talk. overshoot the ecological basis of revolutionary change by Away marquette and junior forward in that original edition university of illinois press nineteen eighty one was written by numb not other than stewart udall. The former secretary of the interior onto the kennedy and johnson administrations and a very very profound and loved the but both of those two people. I admire very much and had the great pleasure of knowing and getting to work with early in my career. Both of them i. I just admire their the the wisdom that exudes from those pages. Leon thank you so much for spending time with me today. I really appreciate it. And i hope you come back. Thank you jack real pleasure. Thanks for listening to the rebuilding earth. Podcast we do. We do because of this. Podcast is supported by listeners. Like you who long to live a wilder world please consider donating it re wilding dot. Org and subscribe to our weekly news article digest. 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Ep.61- Bill Lawson, Mahoning Valley Historical Society

Homes and Hops

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Ep.61- Bill Lawson, Mahoning Valley Historical Society

"Homes in hops is proudly supported by platin- insurance. Your local independent insurance agency offering auto home life business and farm insurance. They also have a team of specialists. That help you with insuring your brewery or winery platin- insurance helping you protect your tomorrow. For more information or quote please call them at three zero eight five six six two four four or visit them on the web at platinum durance dot com. Hello everyone lisa resnick. I am here with bill lawson of the mahoning. His mahoning valley historical society. I just wanted to let you know he did mouth that to me so i didn't mess it up so i appreciate that as because i got your name right. I always mess up. People's last names. Phonics was never my strong suit while last name was pretty easy. How you'd be surprised steve. Vc not vesey. I called him vesey. Or besides the fact of like. When i moved from here to to dc in the northern. Virginia there were different. Names like mclean or vianna which here it's vienna right or is it the other way around room but they're all spelled the same so quite honestly i mean. North lima Yeah right campbell is really camel. Nari so I bill on here today. Because i do think that the history of our community is extremely important in where we are now and what we're looking forward to in the future and the other thing about bill and which he emailed me but was so before we get into all that good stuff is. Bill mentioned that like myself he was the. What was your beer choice in school. Oh Pdr honesty roy. Pbr is very very Hipster now i know i think really bad so the cheap domestics was our staple relief and mine was the beast natty light as i mentioned before so with that bill claims that he is not an ip a hoppy type agai correct and would. I'm which i understand. I used to be there. So i thought we do a little taste test for all. The brewers sake we're not gonna mention mentioned the beers names will wait till whichever ones he likes them. We'll say those so trying to actually. I tried the one alway to. You're right. okay. How's that one nice just a little bit of aftertaste but smooth. That's good so that is noble creatures young stolen so all the breweries will have like their introductory beer for all of us. Who are a little bit more apprehensive to the hop flavor or pa's or even stoute's so that is their introductory one so if you wanted to go to noble creature enjoy some meat from zones barbecue now you know you go to bear to have actually been mobile creatures pre pandemic so nice atmosphere and i've actually had some good bruise there. They do have really good beers. Do you like sours What does that fall. I am not on a sore. Sours are not happy at all but they do they have that that tartness that you'd have when you have like a fruit without sugar on it you can. That would be my best explanation to it. Like a like cranberry baby before it's been doused with sugar rush and ear. Yes something similar to that. And the rule of famous is three sips for your palate to acclimate to the sour flavor. So just don't turn away after the first sip. Give it to other sips and seat try. I try them one as a good one Yeah that has more of this hour thing going so this one is your penguin city light. Yeah so another really. Great goto beer specially game day so the other two by the way. They follow Rule of thumb of under five percent. Ab st usually might. It's a safe route to take for me. Yes sir and then give the other one shot salsa he asked it does. Oh wow yeah. He liked that one. Yeah that's really has a smell in taste doesn't really so that would be your more hoppy one. That is bird fishes milkshake. Api really yes. Try that My daughter actually lives in colombiana half a block from berg fish. I just haven't been there yet. Well hopefully soon will be walking around popping into different establishes establishments often and frequently. And it'll be grand so soon now. Let's get down to the nitty gritty. Are you ready. So i did give bill a list of questions. I definitely wanted to tap into by. I also gave him the ability to to speak freely as well. I ready so okay. So i mean obviously working at the mahoning valley historical society. You have an interest in history at least hope so just but the question really is so childhood. Where'd you grow up. And then how did it like. How did this love and passion for this for the history of our area or doesn't even extend beyond that Really come into play okay. I'm local native born here youngstown. Northside hospital out there. You grew up in boardman township then went to schools. Thirteen years there I left for a year and a half to attend university cincinnati okay. I majored in industrial design. Allowed then after well but halfway through the fall quarter. I said that i don't wanna do this Really and so transferred to why issue and finished my bachelors degree there and then later that a master's degree in history from why issue. So i think to answer your question a couple of factors in my life that led me to this profession. I want is my dad. I'd say you would call a history buff He loved military history. He loved to chase old canals or even existing canals into that whole engineering feat of transportation like his father. My grandfather worked for the pennsylvania railroad and He grew up in pittsburgh so he had books. Popular in the fifties and sixties was the american heritage series. Bruce catton was a historian. Who was the editor and did a lot of the writing for it. And they're very popular histories that people bought sets of the world war one and to set. The civil war sets a lot of other publications And my father had a lot of those and they were on the bookshelf. And as a kid i would just pull him down and look at them because the photographs were interesting and i read the stories that went along with it. So why did they focus on well. American heritage focused on some of the more important things like the american revolution. The american civil war our participation in world war one will or two and then they had a magazine also that they publish that got into broader topics in histories So that that was introduction as a child also when we had family vacations invariably we ended up at the historic site. You know afford a canal or something like that My husband's father also would take them and which my husband too has a love of history and his father used to take them to different sites along like battlegrounds in virginia in other areas throughout throughout new york all those different areas david go visit. Child will that's great. The his father gave him that update. We didn't go to battlefields per se a lot of our vacations or in the great lakes. Erie antero so For necessity for george up in ontario which is right at the math niagara river across from point for niagara and so That was always interesting. And obviously i. I still remember that today and So that was important in my formation but also The time period when i came of age And in terms of our regions in in our local history probably in our memory and in the last century or so it was the most important period in the region's history in that was when our steel industry literally collapsed And i like to point out that. It started in september of nineteen seventy seven literally two weeks after i started high school when x actually to announce closing a camera and laying off five thousand people and all through my high school days until i graduated. I eighty one. And then i think it was two or three weeks after my high school graduation the last blast furnace in youngstown. Mahoning county actually was blown out and it was done so that that was my formative coming of age years and then coming back in nineteen eighty three when i started back. Wires shoe It was just the the after effect of that was going on all around the community and it was a very interesting time to be on why. She's campus because along with traditional students. Who had a lot of steelworkers who were thrown out of her. Who were back in school. Getting an education and retraining and they added a lot to the classes that i was in where you had men and women in their thirties and forties a different perspective than a twenty year. Old dead and So the really dynamic time on campus and also throughout the nineteen eighties. Just sorting out. Were we going as a community. Since this industry that for eighty ninety years had had dominated the local economy and and really politics and everything else The way that we were formed as a community. So these are all questions are being asked as i was finishing my undergraduate degree in enderle effort started graduate school so I think that also draw me. Drew me into look at our regions. History in afghanistan's history and and to be very interesting in it. And do you think that you originally went to cincinnati. I'm looking at industrial engineering. Because of what was happening during your high school years as well no My father he works in the refractories business and they sold firebreaks to okay the local steel mills and and that was his connection. My my mother's father worked for republic steals for forty plus years and retired which might now be penguin. City is crazy. the pollock planter and In my father had actually passed away before black. Monday our And so our family is going through a transition and so he would have been seriously affected his job the s had he been around for that But i i guess the point is Said that's what drew you over to the side. Okay right right no No i was really interested. I was artistically inclined in high school and I to be honest. I wanted to design cars and my grades were not good enough to go to an elite school like general motors institute and and university. Cincinnati had a a program in industrial design which related to that. And it's a very good program. I universities a great university for sure. and it was very intensive my freshman year old foundation classes of really liberating and literally to start a sophomore year. Then we got into the industrial design studio phase. And i think i knew in a couple of weeks now. This hour for me and so coming home was really a matter of economics and much cheaper to live at home and and cute a school than to live on campus or off campus. And you're right and From then it was a matter. Of what do i wanna do and I gravitated taking some of the history courses. Aaron and said this is really interesting and and also In undergraduate levels time really appreciated or locked into how it was taught on that level of of academia and was very fascinating. The lectures Research that we did and and to begin to start thinking critically and that all move me right into being a history major. Did you ever think about going back and teaching like no. I enjoy teaching in terms of of lecturing giving presentations. I finished a master's degree after having been married in having two kids in the house and the mortgage and it took a long time. And ever since i finished the master's degree. I've never had a desire to go any further as far as a phd or teach on the university level I have guest lectured at why issue and I i think that's very interesting. But i just haven't pursued it and maybe something. I can do later as far as an adjunct teacher. Something it just hasn't been in my mind until now. How'd you end up at the mahoning valley historical society. I was a senior. Why issue and My last semester or last quarter there. At that point dr lozano's the executive director of the butler instead of american taught a course through the art department called introduction to museum practices and i actually had a minor in art and art history of all the studio in our history work i brought from cincinnati and So i took that. And and part of it was a weekly class session and the rest of it was practical work at the butler at that point the arms museum which operated by hunting valley historical society and and that was fascinating and fun was a great experience and after i graduated i wanted more so i went back esau volunteer be a tour guide and then a position opened up that i was able to interview for and fill and that was july first. Nineteen eighty seven. And and and you're still there so must be a great place. You must really still love history. I do and really it's it's also the organization I have grown up quite a bit in almost thirty four years of working there but the institution has grown and the people that are involved with staff members board members volunteers Have really brought so much to the historical society and allowed us to expand our horizons and most importantly expand our physical plan. I am shame to admit this. But when i was younger i didn't even know about the arms museum. I discovered the arms museum while i was at youngstown state and we got to have a tour of the museum which is phenomenal by the way and as somebody who who does appreciate architecture and the changes in how home structures and the layouts have changed over the periods of time is it's extremely interesting to me at the historical idea of the reason why the kitchen was the size. That was why the living room was upfront. Why you did have this more section of spaces than the open floor plan that you do now. So i love those things And for all those other parents or teachers or or just anybody out there who has an interest. Can you explain to them. What the mahoning valley historical society is all about and how they could tap into this phenomenal resource that we have in the community. Yes well there's there is the in person experience which is through the arm stanley museum. Six forty eighth avenue and tyler history center which is downtown at three twenty five west federal street. We operate both of those facilities The arms em is a historic house. And the first floor is preserved as such And then we've changed direction from being a all encompassing local history museum. Thanks to open up the tyler history center. We could focus more. On our historical societies decorative arts collection. And that's what you see on the second floor in the galleries and also to some extent in the basement gallery which was very hands on and It's an arts and craft style house from the twentieth century that maybe mrs arms built to their own specifications and that story in itself interesting and and just the wonderful design cues from the arts and crafts movement and also their own eclectic collections. We talk about. But then that makes perfect backdrop for looking at other periods of home design and home function and people's clothing styles and the other textiles that people made and used in their house to keep warm but also to make the house beautiful. And and that's all on the second floor and a huge collection of costumes and textiles and furniture. So we can change those things out and and look at different periods and in different styles so A lot of people are interested in that down tyler history center. We're talking more about the general. Social history of of our region. Our collection really is strongest on city of youngstown and the surrounding community suburbs and to an extent also mahoning county. Because we don't have a county historical society. Some valley historical society fills that role as well. And uh and also at at tyler. We have the archives resource center which is just a tremendous collection for doing family history learning about institutions businesses Anything that relates to what people did when they came here We have an education center at tyler with classrooms and eventually working on plans. We have another gallery. Third-floor floor that needs to be fitted out and it's gonna be very hands on and learning interactive interactive. That's the word and so we have those experiences. We do a lot of programming during normal times That we invite families and people to learn about other aspects of history We do a great series every summer called history to go and that includes visiting historic neighborhoods for walking tours going to historic sites to learn intensively about That particular building or site We do every year. It's an annual event. It's always well attended a walking tour of youngstown oak hill cemetery which is a fabulous historical research resource in and of itself and Syria hundred two hundred people come out for that. Unfortunately last year we are willing to do one in person program which was are amazing history race which is really a scavenger hunt that you get in your car to do so. It was easy to do social. He'd have to really worry about people if they're in their own vehicles driving around right so it worked out for us and and people had a good time in the middle of the summer but Those things happen. We have resources that our website Mahoning history dot org for learning opportunities. We put a lot more that up over the last eleven months. Just to to provide alternatives to in person programming. So if i was to purchase any building like even you know derek mcdowell. He acquired the northeast. Ohio fabric or northeast fabricators and. Then you have penguins city that acquired the republic building and then. I know that there's other buildings up on the market downtown or fall within the opportunity zone. what you it. If the new homeowner wanted or building owner wanted to find out more about that location where would you recommend. They go to find the history of the building. Call us Our cries resource center During hours were open Hopefully which will be later this year in the spraying at you can come and actually do research on our site We've done so much with local property. Owners local architects and engineers a real estate developers to give them a sense of what happened on these sites or the buildings were like in the past and and that's very important for developers architects. Because you don't want to run into surprises if you're no underground storage tanks. Please and so. Much of property is brownfield development. So something was there before. Or you have such as the two cases that you mentioned With formerly be pollock company and then Our youngstown flea will be which was once. Youngstown foundry and machine so they're heavy industry. Athletes was happening there railroads crisscrossing through there could have been storage tanks foundations that nobody knew about that. We have a lot of the resources that can help you find those things Including maps atlases. the sanborn fire insurance maps which are so crucial because assess that we have some of them are still intact from the mid twentieth century. So you can see. Structures and underground systems that are long gone are haven't been used for forty or fifty years. So are you constantly collecting data. Now if you if you walk by Like this whole style. A home with the with the white trim or whatever it may be the fabrics that are being utilized. The styles that that we wear today Just the fact of different industry coming in you have lordstown near the battery playing all those different things that are happening. Are you constantly in the present collecting. What would be known to be profound in the future. Yes and that is part of our process not only preserving collections. We've had for now over one hundred and forty five years but thinking about what's gonna be important for future generations To understand what's happening in our community today so you're you're absolutely right and they have to be like yeah constantly thinking and critically thinking about everything and being like you know what i foresee that being something. That is impactful to us now. That is important for us to remember. Just that's that's what we do and We in our profession and what we call public history which is where you're actually preserving sites and collections. And then trying to understand them or academic history is is looking at those resources and formulating basically stories and also in larger patterns of history but on the public side of it We understand that are block of time is important. Yes and that is a block of time because There are many generations that have to benefit from what we're doing today so we better do it. Right don't screw this up so with that in you because you do you have a constant access and glimpses every day of looking into where we were even even before. The mill's closed win. Like i know when. I look at my grandparents pitchers of them downtown wearing like the jackets the hats leaning against the buildings with the cigars hanging out of their mouth or whatever. It may be bands and everything that were happening down there. I mean looking at the history of where we were thinking about. Like warner theater. All these things and then of course we did have the steel mills you had you had at the gas crisis you had the still mills like all these things that impacted our area that did slow us down in our growth for a period of time to put it lightly And now you're seeing a bit of an uptick and a push forward again which Which has been phenomenal And of course we're all trying to keep it pushing that way. I mean what are your thoughts of how we we take into account everything that happens to us historically and utilize that to help push us forward. Well i think my thought is what is best that as community historians and and not only teaching our audience but also interacting with her audience. Is we have to look at as many different perspectives as possible youngstown. On the hunting valley forty years ago became the poster child for deindustrialization. The rust belt. America left behind But you can turn that around to. You can say that what happened in youngstown predated. What happened in pittsburgh in terms of the collapse of the industry. It predated. what happened in detroit and michigan with. Yes the great changes to the auto industry and so from that standpoint We were do you nationally and internationally ask why so. Many people outside this area are always interested in what's going on here is is really a test brown To what what do we do. After a certain industrial economy falls apart whereas the community go after that and then more recently with the changes in shutdown at lordstown as well. Here's a a reforming community. What do you do. You lost another big component of economic matrix and so really from that standpoint. We're leading we're on the leading edge. I like the way you're talking bell. I see that way in terms of what we're going to be in the twenty first century and You know what do we do after lordstown well or now becoming an electric vehicle Through battery innovations which are going to be manufactured and also the workhorse electric truck You have downtown. Youngstown is a hub for additive manufacturing. That's huge yes. That's that's a game changer. And through local and federal investment. That's happening right now. Were doing the research and development. It's going to change. The way manufacturing happens throughout the century Something else demographically And this is really part of our stress as a nation right now is As a nation were moving toward a pluralistic society. There's no more majority specially no more majority white populations well Youngstown surpassed that two city against press that more than ten years ago. And we have a plurality. We have a majority minority gerald community and so our are we making that adjustment and how is power evolving in that new matrix and those are things that are interesting right here and now In our profession will you might call. Masticate is not really what we're here for but those are going to be the hot topics of the future better the next twenty years Another big one for the century is audible water. Oh no this is a global issue. It is a global issue that we are that we don't realize in the us that we are very very lucky. I other nations. That are that are overseas abroad. That water is a major issue. It's it's a hot commodity over there. That's not as easily accessible that they look at us americans as wasting water. Like how dare you take a shower longer than five minutes. That's such a waste absolutely right and and also even in this country looking at what's going on in the planes and yasim southwest with population pressures on their water table supplies Yeah we're were sitting literally in this region on billions and billions of gallons of freshwater both in the ground in reservoirs and also a little further north of relax. You know it's interesting though about that who we don't really have a map in the state of ohio to be able to utilize and send that to those that are looking to basically create that that plan or whatever were there. They're tapping into our rot water. Resources underground I've tried every style. They we don't have it and i will have to say the chamber was very helpful in guiding me to the resources of those who would habit unfortunately though they don't but those are things that are are it is good to have and we do have. That here is just being able to do the study. So engineer wants to go out there. And start testing the soils and see where we good places for anybody who wants to come in and and build a plan because it doesn't take much it's just a structure over over the ground and then for them to tap into yes but how we treat our water as reserves Is vital important yes to our future but also the larger feature through the country. I believe i agree to you. And i love the fact that we are diversifying and working at diversifying our economic base as well and not just solely going into one category like you said we have the electric car the battery on one side and then we have added manufacturing on the other. So i'm all about the more different important based jobs coming into our area The better right. Yes and the more we do to to train for the jobless future which i think why issue is on a digital of that looking forward Focusing on technology and stem but also continue to be a university that offers a broader range of of learning and then we have even and the. Oh wow museum. That focuses on stem. Jewish which is absolutely phenomenal. Like i love that. We have that resource downtown as well. Yes looking forward to their expansion. It's also we have the tyler expansion and the ohau expansion. That'll be cool while we're very happy and proud that we part of the new downtown Offerings not only for education and entertainment but Being a an institutional presence there that's right it it's a tremendous resource and you do help create the community and it's important very important so the other thing i wanted to happen to it is black history month So what would you say in. Our area would be a great story to to reflect on black history here. Well there's there's many great stories And i think that the important thing in in local black history is to understand that it's it's part of our whole history and we. We have recorded written evidence of an african american man being in youngstown in eighteen. O six how which is twenty five years before anybody knew of of somebody actually living here. his name was peter eighteen. Six right yes and And we found that through the session records of first presbyterian church the session would be like the church council of lay people that that run it and and then their time they were. Shall we say almost a moral police force and and so they had members who didn't do they're supposed to do and and they brought him in and had a trial with them. An an and one of these trials. The witness was a man named peter was a man of and and he gave testimony. He doesn't appear on the eighteen. Ten census. i don't. I'm sure he wasn't there. Anything hundred but he was there in eighteen. O six So we've had african-americans all through this region coming in as as domestics and farmhands early on in that first decade of of the nineteenth century The community started building in youngstown in particular but also warren Eighteen twenty eighteen thirties. Right up to the civil war The african american community grew after the civil war as as former slaves had their asked it s left their plantations and started coming here of course in youngstown in particular yet a building boom after the civil war that went into the eighteen eighties. Eighteen ninety s and a lot of african american tradesman caught onto that and and came here and put in routes Couple of famous ones were p ross and lentil stewart That were both master mayors bricklayers and masons who were involved building some of the the best and most well known structures of the city of youngstown. All through the region on the late nineteenth and early twentieth century and So there was a gradual building of after african american community We got into the steel age Unfortunately f- we had a big strike here in the valley in nineteen nineteen and a lot of the replacement workers or scabs as an own in unions Still to this day. So they were african americans That came from wherever we're filling and were hated and scorned fort But the community of the biggest boost to building the after making african american community was actually after nineteen twenty four when you had the comprehensive immigration laws federally that really turned off the flow of immigrants coming from europe and the mediterranean alao and and so the demand for labour was still very strong and so the local steel companies saint recruiters to the rural south and went the church creations and said leave. We've got jobs and streets paved with gold. And all that that they did even with the european immigrants as we did have brick yes and the but we had jobs and So the the great migration started then The mid twenties slowdown down during the great depression and then picked up again during world war two because labor demands and then really exploded after world war two because of labor demands and not having too many immigrants coming into the country and and that really helped build our local and regional african american community to what it is today in terms of numbers and and the families that are represented and the various working and political leadership and civic and educational leadership going on and community Not not always an easy story because it any time. And it's human nature the the most recent arrivals are often scorned by yes. The ones that came before them. Because there's a threat true you're on the bottom of the the job market and you're worried about keeping a job and and building up Seniority and pay and and you see somebody different from you. it's it's a very Negative thing and that that happened here And it's i can almost say The great diversity that we have in this community Is obvious and and we all share in that in terms of our part are facet of of where our ancestors came from But we we have to admit to that we share and and some of the animosity mistrusted. It came about in that whole process and So again taking about our history and and showing not only the great accomplishments and achievements but also were things went sour. How are you gonna learn right. And case in point the ku klux klan of the early nineteen twenties which wasn't primarily driven by you know white supremacy and and racist attitudes even though they were there but it was primarily an anti immigrant anti-catholic anti jewish movement and And it was ugly to say the least and then things changed after a three or four year period. The clan really had some dominance in politics and and changing public policy But getting back the african american community. It's is a. It's a great story. There's a lot of great individual people's stories that go with that as far as success in the professions and business in labor leadership and organization Adams were critical in the nineteen thirties and early forties to getting wide representation through a became the united steelworkers of america because The big difference with with adding and movement was it was not focused on skilled positions. It was focused on organizing everyone unskilled and skilled alike Unfortunately because of the way the steel mills operated african-americans. Never rose up into the ranks into a supervisor positions or or head of departments and And they saw this union movement has a chance to move ahead in the industry and it did work for them after we had nationwide representation of the major steel industry players and of course it wasn't an easy process then either because nothing's ever easy enough but it had happened and improved everybody's situation but it was a little tough struggle to get there are we. We still continuously have our tough struggles. But i do believe that will get there and then once we get there. We'll find a new struggle that we need to work through an chief for but like they say in yoga. There's always places to grow we are. I can't believe i'm forgetting her name but she did the phenomenal palm at the inauguration. I can't i know right. I read this. This girl is probably the most brilliant person i've ever listened to and she's only twenty four but But she said we are constantly growing nation. Basically was just of it is that this is. This is just things that for us to recognize and face and grow from. And that's the beauty of of america's that we do so ready for the fun part the rapid around round. So so now that you've had your three beers. What is your favorite beer or brewery I i don't a lot of experience with the the local craft and microbrews. But as i mentioned i. I'm very familiar with Penguins city Next time base and also noble creature. up on eastern avenue. And so i just have to say from that standpoint. Those are noble creature penguins. Today it does make sense does make sense it. Are you going to. You can put this on your walking route absolutely one hundred percent pay. What's your favorite local restaurant. I'd have to say it's it's our neighborhood place. We live over on the west side but castle ramirez very good regional mexican food and then the usual things that americans like but if you get into their menu in terms of what. They brought traditions and recipes from michoacan region of mexico delicious. Either then they're gonna have to go yes and were there a lot with takeout now There's somebody many pizza places here. I now you gotta have a repeat It's difficult. Because i feel like you can choose pizza based on your mood. A pizza which is weird. Because you can't be like emmanuel's the chicago deep dish pizza or the new york style pizza or rs which i feel like our our base pizza which i spoke with jeremy. The town pizza review and an ours is a bit doughy are yes nice and thick my favorite. Because it's somewhat different Everybody everybody says the l. tone anybody who is truly done. The taste tests of peace area always falls back on the often yet the crust pastry and tours that set it apart swiss cheese. Oh wow it's different. That is different. All right we'll put while it is on our list to try because we're trying to hit up. I mean we have. I think sixty four different local pizza places to hit up the share. And i'm we're not. We are not getting everyone on the list but is definitely a pizza year. Twenty twenty one in the resnick household and the and the last question i have. What is your favorite local jam of the area historic place or it could be any favorite place that you that you wanna say whether it's like the patio at awkward or one of the cemetery's said i know nicole is mentioned the cemetery colombiana. You can mentioned wherever you want. What would mill creek. Park of courses is predominantly mentioned. Well i mentioned one place. Mockery park. Okay we're close to our house but slippery rock picnic pavilion. Oh you ever been there. I have if you like arts and crafts period and the philosophy of combining melding into nature of it is one of the most organic structures. I've seen It looks like it's always been there. He asked and it dies in his just a fantastic work of arts and crafts period. Public picnic pavilion and I'll say that anybody it's unmatched there. You cow so and you can run by. I run by donating sprite by the the road that you that you can end up on glenwood visit that i end up on or mahoning. I forget which i end up. You can go up to the falls avenue entrance where the old office building is. Come down i. I think that's East glacier drive yes you. Pat glacier in the new were the bridges and then you just go another hundred yards from there. And it's right there before you up. The hill goes up rights for the house in here. It's better going down the hill. Trust me and thank you very much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me was thank you and the people want to hear more about the mahoning valley historical society. Yes what's your website mahoning. History dot org okay We are on facebook instagram. You name it and you name it youtube channel. They're a lotta great videos and programs. We've done over the years Call us three three seven. Four three two five eight nine Were not open people there eventually. You can get your message and into back to you will. Hopefully twenty twenty one will be back together being able to do walking tours and everything else. We hope so fingers crossed. And antos thank you.

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Episode 205: Can There Ever Be History for the Common Good?

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Episode 205: Can There Ever Be History for the Common Good?

"Welcome to the story thinking program devoted to all kinds of historical knowledge and the ways that we cheated. I'm your host loan website is historically thinking dot. Org for you can subscribe find more information about our guests links and related readings our email addresses mail and historically don orgy love to hear from you. Hello patriotic history. As more suspect these days than it was when i was young student. Fifty years ago rights. Elliot cohen but he continues. Civic education is also inextricably interwoven with patriotism. Without which commitment to the values that make free government possible will not exist since civic education depends not only understanding of fundamental processes and institutions but on a commitment to those processes and institutions these are observations contained in cohen's contribution to a new title from templeton press. How educate an american conservative vision for tomorrow schools. The by michael j. truly and chester ethan. Junior with me to discuss this essay civic education and the possibility of teaching history for the common good. Our jonathan zimmermann professor of history of education at the university of pennsylvania and self a former public school studies toast stays teacher and elliot cohen dean and robert e osgood professor of the johns hopkins university's school of advanced international studies. Gentlemen thank you for joining me. Great to be here so you Begin elliott with Discussing your first historical loves Which was very resonant would me. You were clearing out your mother's home. I've just been clearing out After your mother died at ninety my father died in june eighty. Nine and as part of that. i've been clearing out. The the home that my grandparents built in nineteen thirty three which was filled with memorabilia of my gr- my twenty-something grandmothers astounding of a school and of her graduating from university of pennsylvania as an adult student and with a degree in education and You know live. John dewey Turns out that the beards wrote a history of america for schools in the twenty th. That's that's it that's it they There's a lot of games for high school administrators from nine hundred twenty six And lots of the books that. I devoured whenever i was at nana's Which are fit within this mode that you're describing he. Could you describe your first. Loves will buy talk about her. I love i think probably next to hours. But you go ahead right so There were really. I suppose three different groups of things that i was reading as a kid. One was the landmark series. This is about a hundred and eighty or so volumes. That was commissioned by bennett cerf. Mma great editors of the twentieth century by really quite formidable figures on the american literary scene writing biographies and histories targeted. I would say at p. kids in there. Maybe early teens. Segue set of novels by kenneth roberts who was a historical novelist who wrote in particular about New england his one of his main characters is benedict. Arnold and his Interestingly enough his portrayal of arnold is quite a heroic one and that's had a lasting effect on me. I think but it's things like the american attack on Canada and seventeen seventy five seventy six Wonderful novel called oliver whiz. Well which is. The american revolution has seen by loyalist Northwest passage all bunch of things. Like that and that in turn led to american heritage which my parents subscribe to which at that time was a beautifully produced hardcover magazine and again the the writing in it was a who's who of american Popular american historians of the time. People like bruce catton a formidable civil war historian was the the editor And you read it and you see this. It really is a who's who people like. Richard ketchum and others writing for it and i would say put those three together. It wasn't that Any of those gave one a sugar coated version of the past. As i said. I'm kenneth roberts tells the story of the revolution through the eyes of a loyalist but what they all offered was A sense of the american story as a absolutely enthralling And often inspiring one despite the dark size. Which absolutely are there. And that it really. It's what got me. Hooked on the study of history. I had much the same experience. But let's talk to john because i'm sure the john that you must have had similar experiences like that to at least before graduate school. Well a little bit different. Because roy when y'all are that First of all. I'm really sorry about the loss of you. Your dad I lost my dad a couple of years ago and he was a great small l liberal and somebody think about during conversations like this one and i'll just wanna thank elliot cohen for terrific article. Lions stories kind of different. I mean i I would say. I didn't become obsessed with american history until i joined the peace corps in rural nepal. I know this for real counterintuitive. But that's what happened as you might guess most of the people that become academicians out of the peace corps anthropologists right who studied the area that they served in my own group of fifteen three anthropologists people that became after ball just the experience of being in an extremely remote part of the himalayas. A three day walk from the traffic at the opposite effect on me. I mean i absolutely love nepal. Feel incredibly grateful. I was able to go there. But it wasn't until i was in a huge removed from the united states that i think i started to think seriously about it. And it's there that thanks to the munificence of the peace corps should send us books which took a week to get there and delivered by a guy who was barefoot. I read stephen woodward strange Crow i read identify. Slavery iran edmund morgan about a freedom and slavery. And that's where. I got hooked on united states history because it was the first time i think it is sufficient remove truly started thinking about it. So of course you know there. I am the in in in rural very rigid. Caste system turns out that the country i came from at a very rigid caste that right which it only ended a couple years before that but i never put those two things together or you know one of i live with a family. They really took the incident road and one of a daughters turned sixteen and it was time to marry her off. And of course you know. There was arranged marriage in almost every society including america in earlier eras. But i hadn't put that together either. So that was really my encounter with american history. Strange i am. I had an uncanny. How similar mine is to eliot. Cohen's i encountered the landmark books in my more scuba squad. Limits your library in the process of reading my way through it. And i went back the other a couple of years ago and saw might signature still in a library card in one of them. And so you able to track my intellectual progress from like second grade when i started actually started reading To eighth grade. And i remember. I i think The most important book to me was richer. Gas who has worked respondent on guadalcanal and he had written for adult canal diary and then he cut it down for surf. Cut guadalcanal diary and when i was in second grade my grass ambition to rate emissions. Were to be Colonel the i marine commanding officer the first marine air wing and governor virginia. I'm not sure why but and I there was a veteran of glad canal. Live down the hill over the gully from us. And i would read a chapter in ask and i would go over and ask him about it and if this is true now i thought i was preparing to be a marine but what i realized now was that somehow i was enthusiastic about the marines but also was acting like a historian. I was checking my sources. Islas cross-referencing and collating i was you know. Sam weinberg would approve already. Have the sam weinberg head start working on this at the time So that was a main tremendous influence. Johnny tremain was a tremendous influence I could go on. And in fact. A cath roberts was a tremendous influence even though says st. elliott earlier having going back to such books as an adult sometimes mistake Because going back to roberts I had been disappointed but this gets gets us to something. I think back in august in college we had on our our first goal for students at the department was that they'd like history That if they didn't like history by the time they graduate. We had done something wrong. That was like our self assessment. As well and i think there's something to that what what do you think john work. I mean i. I it seems to me. I think i think one of the very important points and elliott's article is that it was a lot easier to write history when it was written by people at road in actual english not in jargon Who wrote for a wider audience than the two hundred specialists in their field and think about the people that i read in the peace corps. Right they were all in that category right than woodward you know at morgan. Eugene genesee obviously all very different figures different backgrounds all people who imagined themselves as writing a much wider audience than a small handful of experts and both of them is very concerned with pro style definitely in style. And it's all just kind of sensibility right. We're you know you're not just speaking to in group right and you're actually trying to appeal to people who perhaps don't know huge manifesto subject but a curious out and you think should know that i think there's an evangelical to mention to all of that to eventual the dictionary sense but not the christian sense. You know where you're actually trying to enlist people. We you think should know about this subject and you know i think. For variety of reasons involving professionalization in grant making and everything else that didn't become a job requirement for americans historians quite the contrary it became something that was rather exceptional. So you mentioned calls. Mary beard earlier right if you had asked charles beard. Public intellectual wouldn't have understood the term because he took it as commonplace in obvious that his role was to educate very wide swath of people. The two republican electoral didn't exist in charles day. Because people just assume that that's what you're supposed to do. And then i think again for a whole variety of reasons involving specialization professionalization. All of that change and so now not only. Is there no duty to do that. But sometimes people look askance if you do it makes you thin scholar like how important. How sophisticated could you be. If just sort of you know any joe or susie could. We didn't understand what you're at early could we Could you summarize the thrust of your argument beyond the starting out with this This rediscovering your first loves and then understanding something about the nature of passion for the past for the american. Pass wilson mazda. I agree with everything that john said including The as those I think that that's my career. And i i also think by the way it's That's a wonderful mission statement for a history department And unfortunately there are very few history departments now which i think would Put that Would you described as kindling love For the past Would put that front and center so the you know. The the argument of the of the article really is that first. Patriotic history does not have to be nationalistic history. it doesn't have to be history. That conceals the dark part of the american pass far from it but that if if you want to create citizens and a free country depends on citizenship part. What you do have to kindle is certain kinds of love of the country's institutions and above all having heroes and. That is something that i think we really have. We really have lost. And it's not so much as a result of I would say falsehoods about people. It's a loss of balance. So you know if if all that you know about franklin delano. Roosevelt is the truly awful incarceration of japanese americans in the west coast in detention camps during world war two. But you don't know any of the other things about fdr including leading this country through the depression and then through world war two. You know you're not going to you'll you'll have a profoundly unbalanced history of your own Of where where you come from. You'll have no measuring stick for assessing political leaders in the world around us and perhaps worst of all i think when loses a certain kind of reverence for the institutions. Not necessarily as they always are but as things that they be and when citizens lose a kind of reverence for their institutions that the republicans endanger then you know all kinds of Extremists lunatics can take charge. And you know we. We had one demonstration what that can look like on january six but it can come from left or right it can come in lots and lots of different ways. So it's it's a matter of real moment this isn't just of an older guy. Grousing that the kids. No longer read kenneth roberts. It's it's something a lot more serious than that. Yeah john's era I think i think. I think i agree but i put it slightly different spin on it. Absolutely we need an understanding of our history our institutions to revive our civic life. I mean just to give you one very self service example. This is my book free speech and more. You should give it down and what is it. Well it's a very short history of the way bad. Free speech has been both embraced and denied in the united states. And most of all how. It's powered every great movement for social justice of from abolition through the civil rights movement through gay rights. The reason i wrote it is that i have two daughters. Twenty seven and twenty four who were from generation that thinks free speech is a conservative value because he believed fox news or screaming about cancel culture. And it's not a conservative value. It's not a liberal one. It's an american And it's the horn of every great campaign for justice in this country. I think when. I just made is a patriotic statement. Patriot statement because it encourages us to look backwards at. I think what you know. What eliot cohen would call heroes and heroines who have put their own lives and livelihood on the line in order to preserve something really fundamental that is always at risk which is our freedom and our freedom of speech. I think the only place where perhaps in this might be shading the difference. I guess i'm a little bit weary about telling young people who they're heroes and heroines should be. I think i agree with elliott that we're all inspired by someone or something but As a patriot. What i love about. America is that i as jackson said no official higher petty is the boss of us and could tell us what's right or wrong or even when america needs. America is a question and one. I love about america. Is that in america. You get to answer that question yourself. That's what makes me patriotic. And i guess. I'm a little bit weary of answering that question for anyone. I celebrate the question. But i do not want to impose any answers so if i if i could. I think this is more shading than fundamental difference and i don't think you have to say look. Here's your list of five heroes. You know be like. Harriet tubman. But i do think it's entirely appropriate. Put before kids. Arranger figures for political leaders lincoln. If if you don't admire lincoln. I think there's a big problem That you have But it would include the harriet tubman of this world. Because i think young people do need to be inspired. I i also you know to your i wanna read your book To what you said with one of my favorite stories. Is that one of benjamin franklin coming out of the constitutional convention and he's asked by the crowd Which of course has no idea really what's going on inside. What kind of government Have you given us dr franklin and he famously says a republic if you can keep it and i think part of the magic of america is that was understood from the very beginning that this is something of an experiment. This is an enterprise which is not simply bequeath to you. This is something you have to. You're going to struggle for and people will disagree about what it all means And that is it's alive and in a way a part of. I think what i'm arguing for is exposing students to a and people in general to kind of history that is a living history and not just a collection of dead facts About the past china. And i would add of. Obviously i endorse that one hundred percent but take the lincoln example you know. I think the other thing that makes it a living history washing all these people grapple with these questions of what america's going to be right and grappling complicated waste so since elliott mention history. Here's a cartoon of lincoln you great emancipator. And there's you know a northern dissident from the civil war in jail lincoln essentially signing his warrants. This is complicated territory right. I mean lincoln. Lincoln government closed hundreds of newspapers in the north because they thought they were copperheads instantly. Lincoln kim to regret a lot of that and actually criticized his generals going in that zone. But you know to me. That's the good stuff. The good stuff is okay. We're in a war of what lincoln's argument is we got to win the war so we can't have people in or team playing for the well. What do you make of that. That's the question and to me. That's also the richness. Because that's what we have to deal with all the time you know what are the restrictions here Do they change during war. Which sign you want. And i would i would add to. That is if you look at the story of lincoln. Views evolve particularly about black americans. He starts off. Basically in favour of of colonization shipping. Everybody off to liberian. then he comes around realized. That's not going to happen and it's not desirable that it happens. I think when you look at any of the the large figures of the past. Would you quickly see as complexity and change and contingency and some things some ways in which they're shaped by their environment Other ways in which they really mold themselves george washington and even more powerful case. I think if you look at his his attitudes toward slavery which evolved And and the study of you know the kind of study of the past which i would like to see more of would recognize that would get students to wrestle with that I think we're in an era. Unfortunately where the rush to judgement and kind of pigeonholing particularly political persons into really you know tight categories which usually to be condemned You know it's it's a terrible way of thinking about politics and it's it's really actually a recipe for political disaster. If if you do that because nobody can live up to those impossibly pure standards which we're trying to impose on lived one or two centuries ago guy without a to me. It's just it's kinda tested a sad reverse public sort of the old flag-waving right. If you opened up guthrie reader in the nineteenth century you would see like you know. George washington was his totally awesome. He couldn't tell it lie. Cut down the cherry tree you know. And you know. I know critique cuffy would have been baffled by the idea of critique like what's to ask like he's the father of our country but you know canceling of by taking his name off schools to me. That's that's a weird macguffin redux. Obviously it's brought to you a totally different set of people in a different time with different politics but what it has in common is just this. Is this kind of unitary view. Right with the guppy. can't tell alive. He's perfect at now. East is awful person because the own human beings but there's no gray there's nothing in between it's blacker white. It's good or bad. And that's just not a good formula for raising citizens in the democracy. Democracy doesn't really work at way like that's a good if you want somebody. If you wanna prepare ses to be in saddam hussein's ba'ath party that sort of black and white instruction is very useful right. Because there's one truth you wanna make it clear about But to prepare people to live in a democracy. It's not at all you want us to stick something in here. Maybe a little defense professor macguffin who reform the institution. Right down the street from where. I'm sitting But mugabe had a deeper and more subtler sense of human personality than many people do today and this to use a phrase the elliott fortunately does not use an essay. I think much of this has to do with a lack of philosophical anthropology she We have a very strange view of human nature these days and there i expect a nineteen year old to lack self criticism other than in a dramatic sometimes destructive teenage way. Expect that but subtle. Self-criticism shouldn't be expected but i'm always struck by the fact that A forty five year old historian might not realize that future generations might find them to be involved enmeshed in evil men that they might not know what that evil is. I mean that's the other end. Action thing about this moment is is you know just the hubris it goes with rendering these judgments getting you know. Has als reminding us that we're going to be judge. You know and we will suck you know how words reflect right. Don't know the details often give is very clear a dear friends and relatives. That are vegetarians. And i'm not. It is totally plausible than one hundred years now. Eating an animal may seem as evil to use al's term as ebay marin slaving human being. That's plausible sort of And so you know you got to deal with that somehow right. You've got to step out of your moment at imagine how you will be imagined and show just a little bit more grace to the people came before you it may be washed. I love that example. Because i've often compared wendell phillips to say pita in class to explain that why Someone like why isn't linked. Wendell phillips on lincoln side and there's a conflation of these and i said well you know there are like lincoln is like a vegetarian and then there are vegans but he eats meat. He's a pesky -tarian or something you know. He eats meat occasionally. He's not in favor of factory farming. But you know then. there are the crazies. And that's the way that you know one hundred years from now. Maybe the look back and see people that most of us have never heard of vegetarian activists as the real heroes of our moment. Right which is i. This is i think is completely ride. I i think one of the great joys when you made a really good historian is they bring people out of that. So i remember actually going back to george washington a conversation with don higginbotham. Wonderful historian of the revolution couldn't daniel oregon processor and i remember conversation with where he wants. Said you know what the secret of. George washington was. I said no said george. Washington never stopped working on george washington which i think is a. It's a lovely way of capturing something that was very true about washington with his blindness is with his terrible temper. And all that and it was there was a kind of a sober maturity in in higginbotham 's judgment which you really would like to pass on to people. I have a question which i throw out to the two of us. Why is it that historians are as kind of a puritanic. Louis an this is its meaning known sell to the puritans judgmental as so many of them so many of them are and i've often wondered if it's because partly because of the nature of the professionalization of history but it's also that so many of them had no other experience of life than the academy Or don't or don't even wish that they had that experience or or don't particularly value that experience and i. I think that that makes it a lot easier to look at people from previous centuries and say well you don't. You're not living up to the standards of twenty twenty one and so therefore you're a really bad bad bad person. John go ahead. i. I don't wanna touch the no i i. I think that the bigger problem here is you know going back to people like van woodward agenda. Vc is that we don't require people to engage audiences beyond their little circle and that's not a good formula for creativity. It's a good formula for group. That you know now i should also tell you though then i do think it's changing in some salutary whiz in port for terrible reason that the academic job market has gone to help and so there may be historians out. There think they're preparing their students to teach their pizza to teach the amherst college. They're not and it's not because of anything wrong with her. Phd students is customers isn't higher. You know and so. I do think that in some spaces. There's been kind of an interesting reckoning with this and again for some very sad reasons. I think that It's changing i mean. I can tell you when i was a junior professor. I've always written for public audiences as well as writing academic books. I had some senior professor. Tell me to stop doing that. The public part It was taking me away from my book and again it was making me look fast island hall up and i should say that john. You are perhaps the most prolific apple writer in the american historical profession. That's how you're introduced. You pointed out to me at the. Aj once across the crowded room is he writes more. Op eds at three times as many or something. Well it's like we're like a nervous tic at this point line or matt my you know my my pitch if you will has changed you know like i used to tell the story that i think this is just a duty that you have is somebody who has had a great deal invested in them as enjoyed all sorts of privileges such a duty to share with other people. What you've learned. I still believe that but it's not a very effective pitch because you have to appeal the people self interest you know. A- grandfather said change starts from stomach you know. And and that's true. You know like if you wanna really motivate somebody. You have to repeal their self interest. And i think again because of the way of the academic job market changed. I think there is a stomach related ornament for this now. It's quite unlikely that many of the people are trained to be professionals joins. You can have like typical academics. And so what that means is if we're just preparing them for that job were basically committing malpractice. I i agree with that. I was gonna say. I was just gonna say response to response to your question would be woodward genovese. There's a way which. I don't have the date on this. John might know it. But i wondered often as i contemplate People around seminar table if we're not if there's not a smaller social demographic of people becoming professors in some not not cultural ethnic but social demographic that people are coming from the same thing woodward genovese just to name two people wildly different origins to put it mildly. They also there was a draft There was a greater sense of of certain mailed. Mail shared experience to that previous generation of things. I mean morgan. I forget what his. Mos was in the war but he was. You know the all these guys had had served in one way or the other A lot of also interesting A lot of americans stories that previous generation had more languages than english. Than i think is now. I'm not certain about that. I would love to do some surveys on that but you have A lot more american stories had languages other than english but still chose to american history Which my impression my sort of Is is is not quite the case now. I don't think if anyone had chinese they would do american history now. I think they should. I think that'd be good for them. So i think there's a weird way in which we are wealthier and more cosmopolitan and diverse and yet there are certain fundamental experiences between the ages of sixteen and twenty four which are more limiting. I i think. I think that's right at the point about languages. Release strikes home I know i know. A number of american historians who really they don't have any foreign language and one of the consequences of that is It's kind of solipsism about the american past. Where anything that happens. It has to be resolved of american action or decisions. When when i do my writing for you know also up as not quite as john but a fair number You know things. I like to keep on reminding people. We're not the only actors in the world to other people make decisions other people do things i think there's also a previous generation which simply having gone through or to if if i were to expand a little bit beyond historians i think my own teachers People ju- scar political floss for. She'd been a refugee from europe or or even grew up during the war. You know there was the sense i think. Many of them felt that history kind of rolled over them In a big way and turned their world upside down because all their uncles went off to war or something like that so there was a sense of kind of seriousness. That was built into this on the upside. I mean the article. I do there. Are i agree. There are some promising signs. And you get some eminent historians who are kind of breaking out of this one who i think is most interesting is joel who writes frequently for the new yorker is some this is also about willingness to take on big themes and and and to play with them which is not really what the historical profession. I agree tends to value. The the downside is though i think john is right about you. Know being hard for phd students to get jobs. The problem is if you're tenured. It's a pretty sweet deal still And i think there is some People who you know are not unhappy that history departments have shrunk. It means they teach less. There's there's a kind of perversity in the university ecosystem where the better you are that you know the the the mark of your success is how few students you have to gauge and have few classes. You have to teach it as dean. This is something. I read about a lot that obviously the academic life is about both research and teaching. But i think we're we've gone to a point where we devalued teaching in ways that are quite damaging and adjust the pattern that we've been described in john entire book about that so yes is the previous. Look you know a history of college teaching really. Glad elliott brought. That up belongs in this discussion. You know it doesn't happen as much as it used to. But still every swampy will get this sort of puzzled queried. Mccully like one. You write for public audiences. What's the point. And i'm like dude. You have a public audience to. It's called your students. That's right if we're talking undergrads right. None of them are experts. Almost none of that. we're going to become like historians. They happen to be a captive audience. But they're still allay one right so we all do that or were joined to do that. but you know as elliot's pointing we do it for less because their student numbers have gone way down. I don't think we lay at all the feed of the historical profession. You know. I'm not trying to deny anything. That elliott is claiming. He bad sort of a lot of the problems with our pros and or approaches. I think we also have to look at some very big picture things here. I mean enrollments. The humanities in general have gone way down so that's point number one we can't it's not just about history you know. I think we have to look at bigger changes in higher. Ed the way a lot of it has been vocational allies. Let's remember that you know. The entire context has changed dramatically. Since i was a kid and i think that's an important context this entire discussion so check this out. I went to college when i was eighteen. Seventeen actually i was residential. I completed in forty years angered. I majored in a liberal art. I strong guess is described. Both of you and that's been colleges right. That's the minority experience now right so i consider the modal experience as the minority experience. The biggest major in the united states is business. The second biggest major. I am or the health sciences broadly defined And and this has happened. Fear in if it's a fairly recent vintage you know. And i you know it's also remember that we also live in a time where you know. Several governors have said that we should only give assistance to students. That are going to go into stem fields. Because how an anthropology degree can help you in. The world. And i did so. There's there's just a bigger social political context. Think for all this. Yeah well. I guess i'm a little bit harsher than you are john disciplines including the humanities anecdote is not a trend but i remember visiting a unnamed history department. There's a big poster for a major talk on virtual. Pedophilia and aesthetic information. And i just looked at that. And okay. what are we supposed to do with that. And i think It's not just history. I mean somebody's history is better off than some of the other disciplines and certainly the humanities social sciences as well where you know. They've just kind of gone off into crazy. Land and guess what. The kids vote with their feet. We're you know any employer will tell you if you learn how to think carefully if you can write really well if you can speak really well you have a you have a leg up right now and You know i. I certainly see. I've seen this at size in my years there. I mean i ran the biggest program at the school before i became dean was massive doses of of history Which these students who are professional students. They're not going to To to become academics. So they you know they. They understood the value of it but it just not where a lot of the humanities and social sciences arm definitely not and look to some degree. We've dug our own rates. I mean there's no question about that you know and and it's different from different in different disciplines right. The great right. I mean pollen lie. I would argue. Things have gone sort of radically quant that most regular people including like a like a guy with a phd in history. Like me can't understand it. Like if i can't understand with the political scientists who say like what about this somebody else gets took stats course and i. I have a hard time these days. Yeah right and so you know. I you know that that has a different history. Obviously in its trending in another direction towards this sort of scientists. But i think the outcomes the same and the students will vote for their feet. I mean look. I've i've i've been a failure to history departments the two major research universities and unless i missed something. They've never offered a course in the american presidency. And whenever i've suggested that people will say things like oh that's a dead field or new have an excellent number four. We don't have an expert. In in. In point of fact any credible person with a phd could teach that course right i mean if they put their mind to all new huge amount about presidents probably more than even know we now so it's not that we lack the knowledge right. It's just that and also a course congress or the supreme court and it's like i think those are the three branches of our government. I think you know and isn't ironically. You know you go into most history classes down. You hear a lot of power. And there's no power the shop for empower the bedroom and and that's all true and real and think about but i do think congress exerts power and. I'm sure the president. Does i think congress knicks laws and the president signs of them. Like isn't that power. Despite no you won't find courses in at generally in in leading american universities and as elliot is pointing out. Should we be surprised. Did people vote with their feet. They seem the professors teaching really specialized course about whatever it was the right. A book about in. It's you know medicine in medieval europe. Well kind of interesting subject but you know fairly narrow when you get right down it and not something. That's probably going to get a lot of nineteen year olds really psyched about history Yeah and we follow Such a pull the threads together to close this off There's a sort of Willed helplessness in the humanities. as saying to Collie english department colleague about a year ago. I worry about you guys. Because i see that in your is lacking the will to live and when you go and we're than we're than we're there were next. I mean right now. Historians we've got the philosophers and religious studies and the english out to our flank. While the you know the maw of you know of via theme is coming closer but you know once. The english is one thing english has gone. They've got nothing. Nothing else left to defend us. No one else to throw to look at the beach to the days of like lynn. Cheney and alan blum because if you look at these people game shit right like the nineties. Were about the humanities. Bloom is like making everyone into relativists. You know and link chain is like oh know nobody loves america and whenever you think of those critiques at least it mattered. Give me some. Alan blum like like not particular but like give me like some great cultural war battle. About humanity's i'd love it and following on that a what's always struck me is how reluctant a fellow colleagues were a fight for undergraduate majors And i was completely shameless. I'm happy to say in in in trying to change business majors. Who didn't business majors and double majors right and saying you know. Don't you want an nba sherman mba. What do you think your business. Degree is gonna look like when you go to get an mba. They don't care if you got an mba. They want you to be interesting thoughtful person. There's an even deeper thing here. Which wouldn't you said that you guys want the will to live. And that's actually serious so if you look at classics. The classics is a field. that is committing suicide. because you have prominent classes. Say this is all you know you can spill it out and There's actually very interesting Op ed in washington posted by cornell. West k- no right-wing nutcase Denouncing howard for abolishing its classics department. Saying okay who do you think. Frederick douglass read write and which offers you think mattered. To frederick douglass voice. Right for crying out loud voice to but but that's classics is gonna go the way the dodo. There are groups of young recently. Enslaved men in november of sixty five in charleston freaking south carolina who are. We're learning attic. Greek and when you read those like even in the it makes you makes me cry. First of all for the power of their intelligence that was being that was digging itself out of the grave and which they had been put and then to also thank you know while you know Who's gonna do anyway enough. Also as monaco pointed out recently. I now of course forgetting him. Like how do you make the case for more resources. If you're founding principle is that your light racist and sexist and horrible sexist at horrible and co were money. It's like well we can get a civil rights suit against us from the justice department or something like that. I mean we we we. We have an institution of of of directed white supremacy. And we want more money for. Sounds like a you know. Let's let's titus up with all speaking of classics maybe tossing back a nice coffee cup. Full hemlock but what Where where what was the Elliott i may when you write an article like this Do you envision change. Because i read this and i think you know. There's a one of my favorite books and the historical Scholarship of teaching and learning in histories history for the common. Good and I i can put that in the show notes. John's not nodding he knows it. Well And i've often like i read it and i think well you know chance would be a fine thing but what we're talking about here is history for the common good. So what do you. What do you want anything to change. What would you like to change us. The one thing. I think i guess. I'd like to see a reissue of the landmark series but more importantly. I think i'd like to sit. There are a number of kind of creative Things like summer camps for teachers. And so on which. I think really have a lot to contribute so as allies you know. One of my historical loves is the lake champlain valley and all of the history associated with that. I wrote a book which was a friend of mine described as a A love note to the great war path which is what the indians called it. So i'm i'm on the board of trustees of fort ticonderoga and they do actually a wonderful job of bringing high school teachers in and teaching them about the history of that part of the country which is also a history of the seven years war and of the revolution and giving them the tools and things to do. I think Those kinds of activities are are are really well worth it but you know were bradley. Since john's also a prolific apple writer. You know they're different models one. Is you throw a rock into a pond or a few ripples. The pond is upon was the the other model. Is i think the way. Emily dickinson described poetry. And now it's it's like putting something in an envelope and there's you don't put in a return address and you drop it in the mailbox and you have no idea who's going to open it When it will be opened and what it will do to them but you kinda live in hope That that it will have some impact later on. I do think there is a signs of health. And i think there are An and this is not isolated from other kinds of concerns about academic freedom and free speech and so on where people who you would have described as liberals on the one hand conservatives on the other turn out to be in violent agreement centrist Essentially consensus that is now standing on its hind legs and making the case. So i i kind of diffuse Hopefulness that you know. The the pendulum will swing back. And that is why. I'm encouraged by somebody like jill lepore who i don't think would have been where she is now. You know ten fifteen years ago. And i think we'll see more figures Like that But maybe i'm naive. I don't know. John zimmerman final comment. I think you know share leads optimism. I mean i think you sort of have to to be in this gig in. Oh i think there's been more attention to civic education in the past four years for some pretty obvious reasons you see like group. Daniel allen is converged ordered you know and convenience sorry had several other groups like that i think the real hurdle unplanted elian mentioned free speech knack them. Treat him because it isn't just my last book is about. I think that's really a central Kiss say necessary condition for all this stuff so you know one of the things that we've discovered from the political scientists that were able to comprehend. Is that the country has gone. Radically polarized and the people have stopped speaking with each other. People consume different media. They get a news feed. Just think about that metaphor right. It's time for your two pm. Feeding right of information delivered to your particular policies season search history. It'll be good for you. And that's not a good formula for civic education or democracy and you know it seems to me that and history piece and the free speech. He's come together here. You know what we need is we need to bring people together to be their common history. And i know that sounds like an oxymoron but it is not right we do share a history and we share it to be about history so you know. I live in pennsylvania. It's a very purple state and there's this key to fifty which is going to be in charge of celebrating that two hundred fiftieth anniversary of tekla independence. Which sign in philadelphia. It's fairly central national event. And you know. I call them recently at persuading persuading. Probably the wrong word pleading. They're really what we need to do. Is sit purple. State bring high school kids from different part of the states stayed together had the read the second amendment and then tell us what they think about gun control and i don't know if this will happen i think it should but it doesn't. It will tell you something really important. About how afraid we are to talk like what i just described. That doesn't sound like rock insides to me. That sounds like good. Civic and historical education right. what's the second amendment. How people interpreted over time. How do you interpret it now. Like da right but this is like a radical idea because of ood we disagree about at fundamentally by the way we do and the kids know that right they know wayne more than we ever given credit for but we are three. All of us are here. Fear fear of the other and are few of speaking with my guest. Today have been elliot. Cohen is the author most recently of a contribution in the new book how to educate an american and john zimmerman who is written i thought most recently the amateur hour but now the most recent book john is tree speed one. I don't give a damn. And i tell you it's by signi wilkinson. Who was the first woman in the united states to get the cartoon. Gentlemen thank you so much for being together with me. Thank you thank you. Yeah yeah thanks for more historical thinking. Go to our facebook page where you can comment on today's program and suggest ideas from her rams to come subscribe to us on apple itunes. If you like what you've heard please please leave a review of others. Confide us our programs had her. Is john run. I'm your host. Owls bone talk to you next week soon.

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57 Overshoot: World's Best Introduction

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57 Overshoot: World's Best Introduction

"Do you know what overshoot overshoot means to well basketball over shoot. The baskets is like the league year overshoot now. I don't know anything about an any idea what that might mean. I hope you'll tell me. Was that even on your mind today as you were getting ready to order breakfast. Well i'm not ignorant to that. Had you heard of that. No what is that overshoot. I have no idea shooting over something. What about overshoot any ideas. What they're talking about. not man. I have no idea if we are in fact there. Obviously it's Humanities use of resources never heard of the word overshoot. So is it like. Is it where it goes too far. Like the stars like out confused. He's malini. What is overshoot even though it affects us all very few of us know much about it. We'll fix that on this episode of the growth busters. Podcast gone drug test. Those were real man and woman on the street interviews. Surprise me and my you how so. Few average citizens have any awareness or knowledge of overshoot earth. Overshoot day is coming up july. Twenty ninth of two thousand twenty one almost a month earlier than last year in two thousand nineteen produced overshoot special for the conversation. Earth syndicated radio series. It's become a tradition to offer that special as an episode of the growth busters podcast every year on earth. Overshoot day. so here we are if you already know all about overshoot share this with journalists your friends colleagues and elected representatives. It's pretty much everything you want them to know about. Overshoot earth overshoot day for the entire planet in two thousand and twenty one. July twenty ninth. I'm dave gardner and overshoot is the subject of this conversation or special. Welcome to overshoot. Have a nice day. What is over shoot was pretty clear. Overshoot is not very well understood and relatively few people think we're experiencing it today. I was a kid in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy. When the first earth day was observed marine biologist rachel carson had alerted us that we were poisoning our plant. The air in our cities was brown. Cuyahoga river in. Cleveland had caught fire a year earlier for the thirteenth time. Joni mitchell was singing about our impact on the planet. Sagar and devon's weren't optimistic that human civilization would long survive. So i assumed the adults would take care of it. Well fast forward. Fifty years. And i don't see a lot of success on that front. The un is issuing a dire warning. Accua moon landed animal species are facing extinction reaching signing. It's more people eating more meat than ever before. From this autumn for the source of water for several decades. Now and now we're down to the very bottom and more bad news this year. Total yields have declined strongly damaging soil contaminated water and ultimately draining markle over reasonable. The numbers are coming in. Midnight monitors nine degrees celsius. Three quarters of all the land on her has been significantly altered and demand is projected dump freshwater by neighbors e e priest about according to the report would have until twenty thirty to avoid the past these experts leibnitz eleventh-hour lean world. Scientists issued a stern warning in two thousand seventeen largely because we ignored their first warning in nineteen ninety two and two thousand eighteen. A un ipc report sounded the alarm that our society must make immediate dramatic fundamental changes in our ways if we're to avoid climate catastrophe two thousand nineteen saw a un global biodiversity assessment. Warn that the style and scale of human activity on the planet is likely to push a million other species into extinction. These are just a few samples from the mini scientific reports. That are almost becoming routine their messages. Coming into sharper and sharper. Focus the environmental fixes. We undertook in the nineteen sixties and seventies gave us a false sense of security or they flawed or were they simply overwhelmed by the relentless expansion of the human enterprise after all we doubled the population and more than quadrupled the size of the global economy. Since that first earth day in nineteen seventy it was easy for people with expanding opportunities to imagine that opportunities were forever an unlimited when we surpassed carrying capacity we were able to supplement it by turning some substances that didn't used to be resources into resources with technological changes things that we didn't find useful originally. We now made useful. That seemed like we were expanding carrying capacity so we seem to think there was no such thing as a carrying capacity limit. That was the late. Sociologist william caton in a two thousand nine interview can authored. The book overshoot published in nineteen eighty about our societies footprint stretching well beyond the earth's ability to meet our demands without damaging the planet pursuing that. Hope we went on to surpass any real carrying capacity by which i mean the enduring ability of an environment to support human beings living whatever way of life they're living overshoot is a term that appeared often in a landmark study performed by a team of scientists at the massachusetts institute of technology it was published in nineteen seventy two under the title. The limits to growth computer models tracked population agricultural production natural resources industrial production and pollution. The team was led by dennis meadows. We started getting results that showed the growth in prosperity and population so forth which most of us had come to take for granted in the seventy s didn't have long to run our computer generated scenarios. All show this growth stopping in the early decades of the twentieth century. And i must say looking back now. Seems that we're right on schedule. The limits to growth was a bestselling book in nineteen seventy-two report attracted a phenomenal amount of attention. The book was translated into about thirty. Five languages of a great deal of the response was critical. Our work challenge the foundations of modern economic theory. It made life politicians very uncomfortable and threatened corporations who are looking to increase their markets. So all of them especially economists really lit out after our work and criticized it roundly in spite of that it was mostly ignored and soon forgotten by. Many economists policymakers journalists and the general public the result which i think was probably foreordained was at reach. Nothing much has happened. Population and industrial growth actually accelerated after our report and now we're very far above sustainable levels in two thousand and three another team of analysts started tracking the biocapacity of the earth and the demand humankind places on that by a capacity which they termed our ecological footprint ecological footprint analysis had been conceived in the nineteen nineties by two men doctoral student mattis walker nagel and professor william reese a population ecologist and director of the school of community and regional planning at the university of british columbia. Everybody has an ecological footprint whether they're conscious of it or not. Just think of the patch of land needed to grow your food. And then multiply dot every other product that involves any organic material and then think of the wastes that we produce that have to be assimilated by nature. And when you add all of this up you have an area of ecosystems dedicated to supporting just you in the style of which you are accustomed and that is your ecological footprint. The most recent data estimates the average ecological footprint of a person living in the united states is about twenty acres. If you can imagine each american standing and surrounded by twenty two acres plot you could barely see your neighbors here. We are cheek-to-jowl. We have this false impression that we live in high density relatively free from the environment but the simple reality is at every one of us in a city. has these umbilical cords of the transportation. Networks bringing to us products of nature. And of course every time you flush the toilet you're dumping wastes into the system that then go out to the global commons into the oceans when you drive your car. It's into the global commons into the atmosphere. So it's invisible reece's student and ecological footprint co originator modest walker. Her novel went on to found the global footprint network in two thousand three think of a forest forest has huge stocks of trees. And what we take out in a year is much much less than the stock that is standing in the forest so he can for quite a long time. Deplete the forest more than what it regenerates But if we have a good forester that keeps account and says how many trees are actually growing growing at the same rate as we are depleting the forest and we can manage to force sustainably. Overshoot is when be use more from nature than nature can renew through human history very much in their local basis overused one area that we moved on. What's new today's that we do it on a global basis dennis meadows. It's interesting and i often do. Look back to think about how it played out back in the early seventies. The main goal go as far as we could tell was just a slow things down so that we could come to arrest sustainably within the limits of the planet now by many measures that global economy and population are so far above sustainable level set. The goal isn't to slow down but to get back down william again. The fact that humans have on average exceeded the bio productive capacity of the planet shows up in all of the trends that you read about daily in the paper longtime environmental journalist. Rex weyler where eighty percent through many fish species. We've destroyed the cod fishery in the north atlantic. And you used to be able to pick up. You know copper nuggets off beaches in north america. Now we're scrounging the world for the next copper mine every oilfield on the planet every major oilfield on the planet is in decline. we're lopping off mountaintops in order to get deeper for coal. We're running out of phosphorus. We're going to have peak phosphorus soon enough which is absolutely essential for our agricultural system. So have we met limits to growth. Yes indeed we have economist. Kate ray worth wrote the book donut economics. We are putting so much pressure on this extraordinary planet that we begin to kick its fundamental systems out of kilter we cause climate change ocean acidification massive biodiversity loss convert too much of the land surface into human use appalachian chemical pollution a hole in the ozone layer. I was at. We can operate human civilization in a state of overshoot once. The cupboard is bare. There's nothing for dinner. William reese explains. Let's say you've got a million bucks in the bank at five percent. If you live on fifty thousand dollars a year you can do that in perpetuity and you'd be in a steady state to stable situation. But the first year you spend sixty thousand dollars then. Your capital has been decreased and the interest. The next year will be a little less. Well then you spend seventy thousand and eighty thousand and then ninety thousand. Well you can keep doing that for a period of time but each time you go over the amount of interest you're getting each year you're drawing down your capital and essentially that's what we're doing in the planet as well when you hear fish stocks collapsing and the oceans generally are in decline. It's because we're overharvesting fish. When you hear of acidification of the oceans it's because we've exceeded the capacity of the oceans to absorb carbon dioxide when we hear of the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere particularly carbon dioxide again. We've exceeded the carbon sink capacity of the ecosphere modest walker. Knuckle overshoot as possible for some time but you started deplete. The underlying strength of nature and nature will be able to produce less than your demand is higher and eventually that physical constraints will force us to consume less as a whole so overshoot will end whether we like it or not then. The big question is what it'd be do it by design or disaster. We can choose ourselves or we will be told how to do. It told by nature. Welcome to overshoot will continue in a moment. This conversation special was made possible. Through the generosity of wilbur ins- cliff and betty wear paul wagner and mike hanauer and by contributions from listeners. Like you learn more at conversation. Earth dot org. What really determines the footprint of humankind on the planet stanford biologist. Paul ehrlich has been studying writing and speaking on the subject of human impact and overshoot since the nineteen sixties how you measure the impact of population on his life support system that is on the ecosystems that support the economy that support our lives. is by looking at basically three driving factors. One is the size of the population. Obviously if you have five people your impact on life support systems is going to be less than if you have five billion people so the formulas i equals p times eight times. T p is. The population is the impact. P. is the population size. A is affluence. it's basically how much each person consumes. If you have five million people driving hummers. You have more impact than if you have five million people walking to work so p population times affluence or per capita consumption times t which is the technologies that you use to service the consumption william reese again so we've got a situation in which we're seeing the growth in human technological capacity in human populations in the scale of the economy. That's completely unprecedented. Paul ehrlich again humanity in the last few hundred years has become the dominant animal on. This planet We are changing and have changed the atmosphere to the point where we're threatening are very sustainability. We have are now mobilizing most minerals more rapidly than the natural forces of erosion by wind and water. We are causing and extinction of the working. Parts of our life support systems. That is the other animals and the plants and microorganisms of the planet at a scale unseen in the last sixty five million years what makes us so dominant. Recent alec gave us the formula. It's both our behavior and how many of us are doing the behaving or misbehaving as it turns out. Economic throughput is a pretty good measure of our behaviors impact. Brian check but conservation biologist turned economist studied this phenomenon and route three good books about the endangered species. Act shoveling fuel for a runaway train and supply shock. Economic growth absolutely entails requires more and more use of natural resources and also entails greater and greater stream of pollutants. It's very important to make sure we're on the same page. In terms of what the phrase economic growth means the main definition of it is simply increasing production and consumption of goods and services. It's more housing starts. It's more miles traveled. It's more manufactured goods and more agricultural and extractive surplus. It's more of entertainment. Said you name it. it's the integrated economy growing. Because more of its products are being produced and consumed the growth of that integrated economy entails growth of its foundation of the agricultural and extractive surplus and that equates directly to liquidation if you will of our natural capital stocks woods water soils fisheries minerals petroleum things that prior to their liquidation simply comprised habitats for non human species wildlife. Biodiversity if you will. The process of production and consumption costs salah has society as well as benefits us and so it may not be a prosperous thing to continue to grow the national and global economies. It's not common knowledge that economic growth comes at such great cost growing. Our economic activity is heralded daily as a universal public policy goal. Gdp growth and improving consumer real income growth. We just got a juice this and pump it up and get it going faster. He wanted grow the economy. I think we're gonna see a spike to growth holiday spending plans surge. We've never seen numbers. It's good for america when the consumer spends money with that in mind stores are stocking up adding inventory in the hopes that the gifts will fly out the door. Gotta be growing and grow our way out of this problem. A pretty robust economy and restore growth and prosperity president trump and former president obama arguing over. Who should credit for the economy a critical issue for the midterms a plan that will help grow economy. We have to stimulate the economy fiscal stimulus plan. That will jump start economic growth. This knocked on it reflected on the president's economic approval rating that little bit of extra money in everyone's pockets could translate into real spending power. This could be the best year for auto sales in a decade united states average three point two percent growth over the next four years seems to be a fair amount of optimism going into black friday and this first holiday shopping. Our consumer spending accounts for a major portion of the economy about seventy percent. So the more we spend the better off in some respects the economy economy gdp but that forgets that last quarter and all of last year was mediocre. When you look at large suv's the biggest guzzlers up. Twelve point four percent last year. Our job now is putting our economy into overdrive. I think that's exactly what the trump campaign has to be focusing on the economy the economy the economy. It's interesting to think about. Why the average citizen although they may not be talking professionally about economic policy and so forth nevertheless are exposed very constantly in american society to supporting the goal of economic growth as national policy. I mean the evening news very often. There will be a report on the trend of the stock market for that d. and invariably an upward trend is viewed as a good thing anna downward trend as a bad thing. The stock market is one of the primary indicators. Housing starts And other indicator of course employment itself. No one thinks twice when they turn on the news and the theoretically objective newscaster begins each economic piece of economic news by saying good news today on the economic front. The economy is growing larger. He never comes on and says bad news. Today on the economic front housing starts are up twelve percent even though you could just as easily make the argument that the next increment of subdivisions is bad. News as much as good. That was environmental journalist. Bill mckibben preceded by brian check. We're not getting the bad news about economic growth because it's hard to believe we've had a good run in which economic growth accompanied a lot of improvements in our lives. Bill mckibben explains the real powerful growth in economies began in the early eighteenth century with the discovery of how utilize fossil fuel up until that time economic growth if it existed at all had been very slow. Cane's once estimated that in all of history before then perhaps sort of human standard of living had doubled over the course of that poll time with the birth of the fossil fuel age came the sudden liberation of immense amounts of work that can be done for free based on millennia of stored fuel. That made it very possible. Suddenly to expand dramatically and we have for a long time more and better were pretty much in the same direction when we were really poor each increment of economic prosperity brought with it a certain quantity of human satisfaction to we like indoor plumbing electricity planes trains and automobiles so over the last two hundred years we've fell in love with economic in the twentieth century growth became a major public policy goal. Karen higgs documented the history of our obsession with economic growth in her book collision. Course we've been in a world where governments and business together pushing for more growth and presenting growth as the solution to whether it's poverty unemployment debts joblessness anything pollution everything will be solved by growth. Gus speth helped launch and has led several top global environmental and economic ngos including the next system project in the nineteen seventies. He served as a white house advisor to us. President jimmy carter. We're certainly addicted to economic growth. Our political system doesn't know how to get along without it. It's the answer to everybody's problem. If we don't have enough jobs we can just grow faster and on down at the government needs money to pay for the entitlement programs that we've created we will need to grow faster to generate that tax revenue and on and on brian check. Prosperity seems to be equated in policy terms with the macro economic goal of growth economic growth increasing production and consumption of goods and services and of course in the case of prosperity. While that should be the case who wouldn't want things to be prosperous. The problem is in equating prosperity with increasing production and consumption of goods and services. It's true that average citizen doesn't think a lot about economic policy but they also don't think a lot about ecology and limits to economic growth and the relationship between economic growth and environmental protection. So naturally to them anything that would have the propensity to increase the number of dollars in their wallets for example would be viewed generally as a good thing former world bank senior economist. Herman daly has been called the grandfather of ecological economics he co wrote in nineteen ninety four for the common good redirecting the economy toward community the environment and a sustainable future. Well i think right now we need to change. What is our answer to all of our problems. We see the answer to all of our problems growth. You have unemployment you want growth. Poverty drove overpopulation. You say well. We need to grow to kick the demographic transition going so that requires more growth environmental decay and disruption. You want more growth to pay the costs of cleaning up the environment so the answer to every problem is growth. Well we need to stop and say wait a minute now is growth really making us richer or is it making us poor. Maybe isn't at least possible that at the current margin growth physical growth is increasing costs faster than it's increasing benefit. If that's so it making his poor he. Johnson is a former vice president and before that senior economist at the world bank. He was secretary. General of the club of rome when i spoke to him in two thousand twelve. That was the fortieth anniversary of the limits to growth. Study which was commissioned by the club of rome. I think we've moved very much from thinking that the nature of our problems purely environmental they are environmental and we are looking at a world where we are depleting many of our natural resources at historic and unprecedented rates. But the same time. I've done it. Look at the underlying causes. Why is that happening well. Part of it is that we have more people on a part of it is we have more demands from people who have much less than we have and have a right an inherent right to have a standard of living that is higher quality than they have. Today must have food on the table. They must have clean water. They should have decent jobs and a decent lifestyle for them and their children. So we have to respect and understand that that's brings immediately into the economic sphere and we have to understand that the way we are charting our course. Our economic policies on economic growth for example is simply wrong. We have got to reengineer are thinking about economics. Bill mckibben human beings have used more natural resources since the end of world war two than in all of human history before we've come through an unprecedented binge of producing and consuming everything we possibly can. Kate ray worth reminds us why the size of our economy matters economies is a subsystem of the living world dependent upon it and we must ask straight away. How big not through flow of materials. Mata- be before it begins to disrupt the very living processes on which we depend for life the functioning of this extraordinary living world thus the fundamental question of ecological economics. It never actually comes up mainstream economics because the dogs. Don't even let a see that that question is there. William reese again. They often ask an audience. How many of you in here think. It's possible to have infinite economic growth in a finite space. Not a hand will go up. That's exactly what we are pretending. We can do. Paul ehrlich again. Oh i think we work against ourselves in many ways and a lot of it has to do with thought that only economic growth can bring people happiness. Only bigger communities will help because it increases the tax base. We never sit back and ask the question of what the hell are people for what you want with your life. I can see changes in my own lifetime. One hand and i were married. It was still barely possible for me to work while she at the beginning raised our young daughter now. Almost all couples have to Both work in order to make ends meet. And that's why we're having this wonderful. Economic growth is just nonsensical. I mean i think most people would much prefer to have a relaxed life to be able to Have good friends and have an adequate supply of food and booze and so on make love when they went to not only on the weekends and have a very different kind of life but we have been persuaded a particularly bhai control of the media by large corporations and so on to Believe that you have to keep running ever faster in place to get more and more junk to consume. You can design a different system. Somebody's got to do it. But can you get any went to adopt it as long as almost all. The pressure is in the opposite direction. Sociology professor julius shore has studied this subject. She wrote the overspent american. Why we want what we don't need born to buy the commercialized child and the new consumer culture and plentitude the new economics of true wealth. We have focused so intently in this country. Especially on getting more and more and more money and that we've had a culture over the last few decades in which that's been absolutely the most important thing and in the process. We have eroded undermined a variety of other sources of wealth which are equally if not more important for ensuring wellbeing when you degrade ecosystems in order to make money. You're not really getting wealth. You're you're running down one kind of wealth natural wealth in order to produce another kind of wealth financial wealth. And if you go too far in that you undermine the basis of life itself and that's part of what's happening now in the planetary economy. We are so deep ranging our climate system and bio diversity and other the ocean ecosystems that we are undermining the basis on which we live. There's a kind of consumer treadmill that were onto in which there's a just a continual upscaling what's normal most of us try to live to some consumer affected by what people around us have and by and that's a big part of how we set our own standards of adequacy and so if everybody else is getting a cell phone you wanna cell phone. And then they'll be. There are practical reasons. Why you wanna have a cell phone to the same with computer the same with an upscale kitchen. Same with a car with all the accoutrements and so forth people don't like to be left behind and there's a real social penalty to be paid if you're a person who doesn't keep up with an escalating consumer norm when we consume whatever it is we consume. We are degrading ecosystems so we are pumping carbon into the atmosphere. We are losing species. Cutting down trees where d- fouling oceans and so forth. So we're running harder and harder in search of higher and higher consumer lifestyle which isn't yielding all that much in the way of wellbeing which is destroying the planet we've explored the role of consumption and the economy in overshoot play asked global footprint network founder mattis walker novel about populations role in ecological footprint and overshoot over the long haul. The biggest most significant factor of all has been how many people we are overall. So he doesn't make big changes from one year to the next. But in accumulative way it has a very very big wait stanford biologist. Paul ehrlich again. Well some people seem to think he can solve the problem say by ignoring population growth but concentrating on reducing each person's level of consumption. While you could do that except there a couple of things wrong with one is we're already way way above what the planet can sustain in the long term so we ought to be working on all three factors to is of course if you managed somehow to have each person's consumption on average and of course there's a couple of billion people who consume so little now if you have them they die but you allow population size. The w haven't gained at all. Because if you have half as much consumption per person per twice as many persons. You're right where you started from john. Seager is president and ceo of washington based ngo population connection. But it's not bears chipmunks. Were driving those hummers or presses around. It's we humans and if you look over the last Twenty centuries at human population growth. And you draw the chart and it looks like a j. It's going up and you do a chart of fossil fuel emissions. It's literally the same line. Two different lines. They superimpose one on the other so fossil fuel emissions our function of human population growth and unlike some of the really thorny complex issues around carbon we know today how to address human population growth voluntary means so it certainly the lowest hanging fruit right now so aside from the consumption we've been embracing because of our love affair with economic growth. We have nearly eight billion people on the planet who at the very least need food shelter water and energy and that is taking its toll one of the most commonly referenced estimates of a sustainable world population was done by cornell professor of population ecology. David pimentel he estimated a world population of two billion living modest. But decent lives would keep us out of overshoot regardless of what the actual number might be. It's pretty clear. The number is less than today's world population of almost seven point eight billion. It's clear we need to embrace celebrate and even encouraged lower birth rates in order to lead our population down toward sustainable non overshoot level yet the miss around economic growth pop up even on the population front to yet again. Stand in the way of getting out of overshoot. Bill ryerson president of population media center and chair of population institute explains for the last couple of decades. There have been a lot of economic journalists and business. People particularly in europe and japan wringing their hands over what has become known as the birth dearth and of course europe and japan have below replacement level fertility and so people have been saying. Wow we're going to have the baby boom aging and going through retirement years with a very small working population. How are they going to maintain these people. There are many people. Everson's julian simon who have well the more population. There is more consumers. There will be and so we should just keep population growing and growing and perhaps there are no limits or we won't hit the limits anytime soon. So don't worry about population. It should drive economic welfare. And in fact stephen forbes wrote an editorial in forbes magazine saying yes population growth is a good thing because it creates more consumers where there's population girls should stimulate economic growth. This pro population growth bias. Among policy makers influencers and journalists obstructs a key exit from overshoot without the bias. Declining birth rates on a full planet might be reported as good news instead we get this moment from. Pbs newshour lowest number of recorded birth. In thirty years the largest single drop since two thousand ten. It paints a pretty grim picture. Whoopi goldberg on the tv talk. Show the view unless we're able to get around this. The population is going to be way too old to work meghan mccain on the view as that as it is here it's exponentially worse in japan so that should make everyone feel a little better and paul ryan when he was speaker of the. Us house of representatives people. This is going to be the new economic challenge for america. People baby boomers are retiring. I did my part but but you know we need to have higher birth rates in this country. It's no wonder earth overshoot today keeps moving earlier year after year modest walker knuckles global footprint network estimates. Win earth overshoot day occurs. We mark every year today when humanity has used from january first that date as much as earth can renewed entire year. That date has crept earlier year after year in two thousand nineteen. It was july twenty ninth three days earlier than two thousand eighteen but in two thousand twenty due to the pandemic. the date shifted three weeks later to august. Twenty second and two thousand twenty one. The date moved back to july twenty ninth. We can't do this for long. Just one example of the urgency of getting out of overshoot the climate disruption we're experiencing because we've been generating more greenhouse gases than the earth can process modest walker. Naga told me earth overshoot day would be ninety three days later if we could cut the carbon component of our footprint in half william captain told me why he wrote overshoot in the late nineteen seventies. We needed dereck nuys. That we had had a cornucopia n- myth that shaped our lives that we had this notion of limitless resources and that that had enabled us to an infected goaded us into exceeding carrying capacity william risk. Well i guess our best hope is that the the signs that the earth is under stress or becoming evident daily capitalism happens to be very good at producing a lot of cheap goods and services. But it's been built entirely on the idea that you can accumulate. An accumulating accumulate indefinitely. Well we now know that. That's not possible. This time in history may be the first time that whole global civilization has had to sit down and deliberately rewrite but we call the cultural mythology. So we've written a narrative that was fine in the nineteenth century. It served us well through much of the twentieth century. If you think that material growth is the goal of all life but it's outdated and we now need a new cultural narrative. The evidence is very clear that human activity is of a type and scale that is overwhelming the earth's life supporting ecosystems. Can we correct this if so how the math is simple. We need to reduce our numbers or scale back our activities or both bill clinton in effect what we have to do is to downsize ourselves we simply have to live with less and we have to do fewer things and we have to be less ambitious in living a high powered way of life. We have to try to do more with less or do less. If that's what it takes in order to use smaller quantities of limited resources we have to try to get away from the dependence that has developed so extensively within the twentieth century on the use of non-renewable resources. And we certainly have to learn that our use of non-renewable resources caused us to start using even the renewable resources. Faster than their normal rates of renewal. We simply have been drawing down supplies that Are not being replaced. Can't be replaced at the rates at which we've been using them. I asked historian. Karen higgs if there isn't an easy button for getting out of overshoot so if we don't want to end economic growth because it's going to be so hard and we're so in love with it and we don't want to embrace herman dailies idea of a steady state economy. Is there something else we can do. Is there some Magical solution like can. We innovate our way around this. Can we use technology. Can we just go green on very skeptical about that. Dave look i think that innovation could a incredibly useful in moderating the ill effects of the headlong growth especially as we get closer to you know tipping points but they has always been a paradox about innovation. The economist jevons paradox. What it means is that whenever we've achieved efficiencies then found new ways to economize get more out of less we just keep growing faster anyway because the growth trajectory just tixx it up and Continues on so. I really don't believe that innovation is a get out of jail free card the more that we can actually reduce the carbon intensity of air Production system the bitter but the rate at which we would have to do it to allow us to go on growing indefinitely. Is it again. it's magical thinking it's beyond reality. It can't happen. Your book was published in two thousand fourteen. And you wrote at the time. That our path needs hard scrutiny. Why is that right. Well anyone born at the end of world war two or since we have grown up amongst galloping economic growth and it looks incredibly natural. It looks like it's the way the world always was and this is an incredible obstacle to perception or to awareness. And at the same time then we have our governments politicians media constant barrage of growth growth growth. Also it seems to people in. It's necessary that it's desirable. We all want a higher standard of living. We think and we need to grow the afford create the jobs that are needed by the Expanding populations so we want all these things. We think It must be done. So it's conned of magical thinking vivid files to say reality. It's definitely not practical before he passed away. I asked overshoot author william caton whether he thought there was a good chance. We would make the necessary adjustments to our system. I think it needs to change drastically whether it will change rapidly enough for to be a a soft landing or who were going to have a crash landing. It's hard to say We're still i think. Pretty heavily conditioned to the idea that progresses forever. I asked ecological economist. Herman daly what he thought. The solution might be. Well there may not be solution. I can't say that i'm terribly optimistic. That all this is going to come about on the other hand. I think one has a a kind of a duty to be hopeful and to at least try to offer some ideas and policies. That could work. I don't understand the view that people take. And i know many economists do that will. This is politically impossible. It's politically impossible to cut back. It's politically impossible to control growth and we're well. It's bio physically impossible to keep on growing so we've got a real dilemma. Do you try to do. What's physically impossible. Are you try to do what's politically impossible. I'd rather take my chances with the political impossible with the bio physically impossible. We do not have perpetual motion. We cannot create matter and energy. We only take it from the environment. Nobody's going to get elected in the next election for you. Know preaching a steady state economy. This is going to require a whole lot of change of mind. Change your heart rethinking. A lot of people are beginning to see that. Economists are wrong about this growth forever. Business that it's unreasonable. And they're beginning to feel the cost. And so i think maybe my hope is that some politicians will come along. We'll say well wait a minute. Let's try it out. The subtitle of kate ray worth's book donut. Economics is seven ways to think like a twenty first century economist. Those seven ways serve as a remarkably excellent rundown of how are economic thinking needs to change. If we're to get out of this overshoot predicament. Okay the first way is to change the goal. The goal of economics is not simply growth. It's to meet the needs of all within the means the planet in order to do that. We need a bigger picture of what the economy is how it's embedded within the living world and within society in different forms of provisions. We haven't economy the market state the household and the comments. We also need a rich. A picture of who. We are in rationally comic man. We're actually social adaptable. Humans in the quicker. We embrace new portrait of ourselves. The great chance will give ourselves of thriving this century. We also need to switch from the mechanical equilibrium thinking that was inspired by newton's physicals of motion. Back in the eighteen seventies. we need to jump into a different kind of science and embrace complexity thinking which is a fast-melt away of understanding not only get economy but also the living world in which we are embedded when it comes to inequality we shouldn't just wait the growth to even things up because it won't. We need to create economies that are distributed by design when it comes to pollution and running down the living world. Don't wait for growth to clean things up because it went. We need to create economies. That are regenerative by design that worked together with the living processes of the world. And finally what does that mean for growth. The old addiction of the twentieth century on we need to over calmer addiction to unending growth and it create economies that are agnostic about growth. That enable us to thrive whether or not they grow. That sounds like sybil flipping words. But it's actually a profound radical flip in perspective and what about solutions on the population side of the equation. Bill ryerson again. The average american can have a better impact a bigger impact on improving the climate situation through limiting family size than any other change. They might make changing the lightbulbs. Insulating the house. All of those things are good. But reducing family size has a much bigger impact in terms of avoiding carbon dioxide output into the atmosphere now and future generations. if we don't address the population issue the climate and a lot of other problems are going to be completely out of hand. Population is all about human rights. It is about the rights of women to have the information and the means they need to determine the number and spacing of their children. It is about the health of women and children. It is about the health of our environment. it is about the future sustainability of the planet montas walker. Nakal again now. The good news is that looking. At the demographic side. We know how to shift those tendencies. Not done through control that actually backfires. It's done by empowering women by making opportunities better women equal rights for everybody access to family planning here. The united states half of the pregnancy still are surprised. Sometimes positive sometimes a negative if today. We adopted fertility rates of spain portugal or italy. Today we be back to four billion people by the end of the century which would give much more budgets for paying predication and healthcare. It's at a young people. Give young people are much much better opportunity for the future. When does it stop. How many jobs can this earth possibly support. How big of a flow of income can our base of natural capital support. If we're pulling out the rug from our own kids and grandkids future their employment their income and their environmental quality. Then i think we should back up a little bit and focus in on the prospect of stabilising both the number of jobs and then of course the population so that you don't have rising rates of unemployment you'd have stable rate of employment that has to be a point at which we stopped trying to make this thing bigger. We need to build a civilization that can live within the means for nature can supply. We need to get beyond this consumerism. To get beyond our hyperventilating. Lifestyles are sorta overwhelming materialism and start focusing on the things that really matter. I'm not concerned. My children will consume less stuff and have to live lifestyles more like my grandparents. I'm more concerned. The my children will have to live in chaos because we were stupid and we tried to drive right past all these limits and we didn't pay heed to the fact that we're in overshoot and we ended up three hundred percent overshoot and our entire economies in our world crashes. That's my concern about what our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren will have to live through the fact that they might have to live modest lifestyles. That doesn't concern me in the least isn't this time and the place to think about changing course for a better life not a constrain life but a better life that respects an environment that respects those people who don't quite have what we have you and i have. Isn't it time to be a more sharing place. Isn't it time to be a world where we believe that the all limits and that we should respect those limits. We need to redefine progress very much. We don't necessarily have to regard that as the end of the world. It's going to be a change an end of this world and a moving into that world. But the world we move into might have some rewards. That will be happy to have. I'm dave gardner. Thanks for listening to welcome to overshoot. Have a nice day from conversation. Earth to pay out this ad. Good not just robust. 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"Do you know overshoot? Overshoot. Means to well basketball over shoot the baskets like the leap year overshoot. Now, I don't know anything about an any idea what that might mean i. hope you'll tell me was that even on your mind today as you were getting ready to order breakfast well I'm not ignorant to that. Had you heard of that? No. What is that overshoot? I have no idea shooting over something. What about overshoot any ideas what they're talking about not I have no idea if we are in fact there obviously, it's humanities use of resources never heard of the word overshoot. So is it like? Is it where it goes too far like the stars like out confused he's many dot. You're exactly what overshoot is and what we can do about it get the scoop on this episode of the Growth Busters podcast. Off. Those were real man and woman on the street interviews. It's a price me and might you how? So few average citizens have any awareness or knowledge of overshoot? Earth Overshoot Day is coming up August twenty second of two, thousand and twenty. So we are offering this bonus episode of the Growth Busters podcast. It's an updated version of the one our conversation Earth special. We produced last year pretty much everything you want to know about over shoot. We're making this special available to radio stations anywhere in the world to run for their audiences because everyone needs to know. Feel free to recommend it to your local public or community radio station, and please share this episode with friends family and colleagues who aren't well aware of our overshoot situation. Thank you. Now. Here's that special. Overshoot, we'll learn what it is how we got here and what that means for us and our children on this conversation or special. Welcome to overshoot have a nice day. I'm Dave Gardner. Earth overshoot day for the entire planet in Twenty Twenty Is August twenty? Second? What is overshoot? What's pretty clear overshoot is not very well understood and relatively few people think we're experiencing today. I was a kid in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy when the first Earth Day was observed. Marine biologist. Rachel. Carson had alerted us that we were poisoning our plant. The air in our cities was Brown. The Cuyahoga River in. Cleveland had caught fire a year earlier. For the thirteenth time. Joni Mitchell was singing about our impact on the planet. Dies Papa. Sager and Devon's weren't optimistic that human civilization would long survive. Mainly Just a kid. So I assumed the adults would take care of it. Well fast forward fifty, years. And I don't see a lot of success on that front. The UN is issuing a dial warning up to a million plant and animal species are facing extinction again to report reaching frightening contusions more people are eating more meat than ever before drawing from this Aquifer, the source of water for several decades now, and now we're down to the very bottom and more bad news. This year is total yields have declined strongly damaging soil. Contaminated Water and ultimately draining our global resource the numbers are alarming in mid-may Mama's hit twenty thousand, nine degrees Celsius three quarters of all the land on earth has been significantly altered demand is projected to double freshwater biodiversity decrease about e percent according to a new report we have until twenty thirty to avoid catastrophe these experts claim it's the eleventh hour we must act now. World scientists issued a stern warning in two thousand seventeen largely because we ignored their first warning in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two. And two, thousand, eighteen, a UN IPCC reports sounded the alarm that our society must make immediate dramatic fundamental changes in our ways if we're to avoid climate catastrophe. Two Thousand Nineteen saw a UN global biodiversity assessment. Warn that the style and scale of human activity on the planet is likely to push a million other species into extinction. These are just a few samples from the mini scientific reports that are almost becoming routine their messages coming into sharper and sharper focus the environmental fixes we undertook in the nineteen sixties and seventies gave us a false sense of security. They flawed or were they simply overwhelmed by the relentless expansion of the human enterprise? After all, we doubled the population and more than quadrupled the size of the global economy since that first Earth Day in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, it was easy for people with expanding opportunities to imagine that opportunities were forever an unlimited. When we surpassed carrying capacity, we were able to supplement it by turning some substances that didn't use to be resources into resources with technological changes things that we didn't find useful originally, we now made useful that seemed like we were expanding capacity. So we seem to think there was no such thing is carrying capacity limit that was the late sociologist William Caton in two thousand, nine interview Ken authored the book overshoot published in Nineteen, eighty about our societies footprint stretching well beyond the earth's ability to meet our demands without damaging the planet. Pursuing that? We went on to surpass any real carrying capacity. By which I mean the enduring ability of an environment to support human beings living whatever way of life living. Overshoot, as a term that appeared often in a landmark study performed by a team of scientists at the Massachusetts. Institute of Technology, IT was published in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two under the title, the limits to growth. Computer models tracked population, agricultural production, natural resources, industrial production, and pollution. The team was led by Dennis Meadows we started getting results that showed the growth in. Prosperity and population. So forth, which most of us have come to take for granted in the seventies. Didn't. Have Long To. Run. Our computer generated scenarios. All show just gross stopping in the early decades of the twentieth century and. I must say looking back now it seems that we're right on schedule. The limits to growth was a bestselling book in Nineteen. seventy-two report attracted phenomenal amount of attention. The book was translated into about thirty five languages. Of course, a great deal of the response was critical our work. Challenge the foundations of modern ECO. Theory. It made life politicians very uncomfortable. And threatened corporations who are looking to increase their markets. So, all of them especially, they economists really lit out our work and criticized it roundly in spite of that. That was mostly ignored and soon forgotten by many economists, policymakers, journalists, and the general public. The Result which I think was probably four deigned was read nothing much has happened population and industrial growth actually accelerated after our report. and. Now, we're very above sustainable levels. In two, thousand and three another team of analysts started tracking the biocapacity of the earth and the demand humankind places on that by capacity, which they termed our ecological footprint ecological footprint analysis had been conceived in the nineteen nineties by two men doctoral student modest Walker novel, and Professor William Reese, a population ecologist, and director of the School of community and regional planning at the University of British Columbia. Everybody has an ecological footprint whether they're conscious of it or not just think of. The patch of land needed to grow your food, and then multiply that by every other product that involves any organic material, and then think of the wastes that we produce the assimilated by nature and when you add all of this up, you have an area of ecosystems dedicated to sporting you in the style of which you're accustomed and that is your ecological footprint. The most recent data estimates the average ecological front of a person living in the united. States is about twenty acres. The few can imagine each American standing in surrounded by a twenty acre plot. You could barely see your neighbors here we are cheek to, jowl. We have this false impression that we live in high density relatively free from the environment but the simple reality is at every one of us in the city has these umbilical cords of the transportation networks bringing to us the products of nature. Of course, every time you flush the toilet, you're dumping wastes into the system that then go out to the Global Commons into the oceans when you drive your car, it's into the Global Commons in the atmosphere. So it's invisible reese's students and ecological footprint Co.. Mata swogger novel went on to found the global footprint network in two thousand and three. Think of a forest forest has huge stocks of trees and what we take out in a year as much much less than the stock that is standing into forest. So we can for quite a long time, deplete the forest more than what it regenerates But if we have a good forester that keeps accountants as how many trees are actually growing the growing at the same rate as we are declining forest and we can manage to force sustainably. Overshoot is when be used more from nature than nature can renew. I think through human history. Very much local basis we overused one area that we moved on what's new today that'd be. Basis Dennis Meadows. It's interesting and I often do look back to think about how it played out. Back in the early seventies, the main goal always far as we could tell was just a slow things down so that we could come to arrest sustainably within the limits of the planet now. By many measures that global economy and go population so far above sustainable level set, the goal isn't to slow down but to get back down. William Reese. Again, the fact that humans have on average exceeded the bio productive capacity of the planet shows up in all of the trends that you read about daily in the paper longtime environmental journalist Rex weyler where eighty percent through many fish species we've destroyed the cod fishery in the North Atlantic, and you used to be able to pick up copper nuggets off beaches in North America. Now, we're scrounging the world for the next coppermine. Every oilfield on the planet, every major oilfield on the planet is in decline. We're lopping off mountaintops in order to get deeper for coal we're running out of phosphorus we're going to have. Peak Phosphorus soon, enough, which is absolutely essential for our agricultural system. So have we met the limits to growth yes. Indeed we have. Economist Kate Ray Worth wrote the book Donut Economics. We are putting so much pressure on this extraordinary planet that we begin to kick its fundamental systems out. Of kilter, we cause climate change, ocean acidification massive biodiversity loss convert too much of the land surface into human use. Appalachian chemical pollution hole in the ozone. Layer. I was that we can operate human civilization in a state of overshoot once the cupboard is bare, there's nothing dinner. William Reese explains let's say you've got a million bucks in the bank at five percent. If you live on fifty thousand dollars a year, you can do that in perpetuity. And you'd be in a steady state to stable situation. But the first year you spend sixty thousand dollars, then your capital has been decreased and the interest, the next year will be a little less well, then you spend seventy thousand and eighty thousand and then ninety thousand. Well, you can keep doing that a period of time but each time you over the amount of interest you're getting each year you're drawing down your capital and essentially that's what we're doing in the planet as well. When you hear a fish stocks collapsing and the oceans generally are in decline, it's because we're overharvesting fish when you hear of acidification of the oceans. It's because we've exceeded the capacity of the oceans to absorb carbon dioxide. When we hear of the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, particularly carbon dioxide. Again, we've exceeded the carbon sink capacity, the ECOSPHERE Mattis, Walker uncle overshoot as possible for some time, but you start to deplete the underlying strength of nature and the nature will be able to produce less than you demand is higher and eventually that physical constraints will force us to kind of consume less says whole. So overshoot will end. Would we like it or not? Than the big question is, would we do it by design disaster? We can choose ourselves or we built told. Told by nature. What really determines the footprint of humankind on the Planet Stanford Biologist Paul Ehrlich has been studying writing and speaking on the subject of impact and overshoot since the nineteen sixties. How you measure the impact of a population on his life support systems that is on the ecosystems that support the economy that support our lives is by looking at basically three driving factors. One is the size of the population. Obviously, if you have five people, your impact on life support systems is going to be less than if you have five billion people. So the formulas I equals p times eight times. T P is population is the impact p. is the population size. A is affluence. It's basically how much each person consumes. Million People Driving Hummers you have more impact than if you have five million people walking to work. So P population times affluence or per capita consumption times t which is the technologies that you use to service the consumption. William Reese again. So we've got a situation in which we're seeing the growth in human technological capacity in human populations in the scale of the economy. That's completely unprecedented. Paul Ehrlich. Humanity in the last few hundred years has become the dominant animal on this planet. We are changing and have changed the atmosphere to the point where we're threatening are very sustainability. We have are now mobilizing most minerals more rapidly than the natural forces of erosion by wind and water. We are causing and extinction of the working parts of our life support systems that is the other animals and the plants and the microorganisms of the planet. At a scale unseen in the last sixty, five million years. What makes us? So dominant recent Alex gave us the formula it's both our behavior. and. How many of us are doing the behaving? Or misbehaving as it turns out. Economic throughput, pretty good measure of our behaviors impact. Brian Check but conservation biologist economist studied this phenomenon and route three good books about it. The endangered species act shoveling fuel for a runaway train and supply shock. Economic growth absolutely entails requires more and more use of natural resources. And also entails greater and greater stream of pollutants. It's very important to make sure we're on the same page in terms of what the phrase economic growth means. The main definition of it is simply increasing production and consumption of goods and services. It's more housing starts it's more miles traveled. It's more manufactured goods and it's more agricultural and expected surplus. It's more of entertainment. Said you name it? It's the integrated economy growing because more of its products are being produced and consumed. The growth of that integrated economy entails growth of its foundation of the agricultural and extractive surplus. And that equates directly to liquidation if you will of our natural capital stocks woods. Water Soils Fisheries Minerals Petroleum. Things that prior to their liquidation simply comprised habitats for non human species, wildlife biodiversity if you will the process of production and consumption costs, Salah has society as well as benefits us, and so it may not be a prosperous thing to continue to grow the national and global. Economies. It's not common knowledge that economic growth comes at such great cost growing. Our economic activity is heralded daily as a universal public policy goal. Growing GDP growth and improving consumer real income growth. We just got a juice this and pump it up and get going faster. He wanted grow the economy. I think we're going to see a spike to growth holiday spending plans surge. We've never seen numbers like it's good for America when the consumer spends money with that in mind stores are stocking up adding inventory in the hopes that the gifts will fly out the. Door gotta be growing and grow our way out of this problem a pretty robust economy and restore growth and prosperity president trump and former president obama arguing over who should get credit for the economy a critical issue for the midterms a plan that will help grow our economy. We have to stimulate the economy for fiscal stimulus plan that will jump start economic growth. This knocked on it reflected on the president's economic approval rating. That little bit of extra money in everyone's pockets could translate into real spending power. This could be the best year for auto sales in a decade. Could average three point, two percent growth over the next four years. Seems to be a fair amount of optimism going into black Friday in this first holiday shopping weekend our consumer spending accounts for a major portion of the economy about seventy percent. So the more we spend the better off in some respects, the economy. Quarter of GDP but that forgets that last quarter and all of last year was mediocre. When you look at large SUV's the biggest guzzlers of twelve point four percent last year our job now is putting our economy into overdraft i. think that's exactly what the trump campaign has to be focusing on the economy, the economy, the economy. It's interesting to think about why the average citizen although they may not be talking professionally about economic policy and so forth. Nevertheless are. Exposed very constantly in American society to supporting the goal of economic growth as national policy. I mean take the evening news. Very often there'll be a report on the trend of the stock market for that the and invariably on upward trend is viewed as a good thing and a downward trend as a bad thing the stock market is one of the primary indicators a housing starts and other indicator of course, employment itself. No one thinks twice when they turn on the news and. The theoretically objective newscaster begins each economic piece of economic news by saying good news today on the economic front the economy is growing larger. He never comes on and says bad news today on the economic front housing starts are up twelve percent even though you could just as easily make the argument that the next incremental of subdivisions is bad news as much as good. That was environmental journalist Bill mckibben preceded by Brian Check. We are not getting the bad news about economic growth because it's hard to believe we've had a good run in which economic growth accompanied a lot of improvements in our lives. Bill mckibben explains the real. Powerful growth in economies began in the early eighteenth century with the discovery of how to utilize fossil fuel. Up. Until that time economic growth, if it existed at all had been very slow. Cane's estimated that in all of history before then perhaps sort of human standard of living had doubled over the course of that poll time. With the birth of the fossil fuel age came the sudden liberation of immense amounts of work that could be done for free based on Millennia of stored. Fuel. That made it very possible suddenly to expand dramatically and we have for a long time more and better were pretty much in the same direction when we were really poor. Each increment of economic prosperity brought with a certain quantity of human satisfaction to. We like indoor plumbing, electricity planes, trains, and automobiles so. Over the last two hundred years we fell in love. With economic growth. In, the twentieth century growth became a major public policy goal. Karen Higgs documented the history of our obsession with economic growth in her book collision course, we've been in a world where governments and business together pushing for more growth and presenting growth as the solution to whether it's poverty unemployment day it's Joblessness or anything pollution everything will be solved by growth. Gus Speth helped launch and has led several top global environmental, and economic NGOs including the next system project. In the nineteen seventies he served as White House advisor to US President Jimmy Carter. We're certainly addicted to economic growth. Our political system doesn't know how to get along without it. It's the answer to everybody's problem. If we don't have enough jobs, we can just grow faster and on down if the government needs money to pay for the entitlement programs that we've created, we will need to grow faster to generate that tax revenue and on and on. BRIAN CHECK PROSPERITY SEEMS BE CREATED IN POLICY TERMS WITH The macro economic goal of growth economic growth, increasing production, and consumption of goods and services. And, of course, in the case of prosperity while that should be, the case wouldn't want things to be prosperous. The problem is in equating prosperity with increasing production and consumption of goods and services. It's true that the average citizen doesn't think a lot about economic policy, but they also don't think a lot about ecology and limits to economic growth and the relationship between economic growth and environmental protection. So naturally to them anything that would have the propensity to increase the number of dollars in their wallets, for example, would be viewed generally as a good thing. Former World Bank senior economist Herman Daly has been called the grandfather of ecological economics. He Co wrote in nine, hundred, ninety four for the common good redirecting the economy toward community, the environment and a sustainable future. Well, I think right now we need to change What is our answer to all of our problems? We see the answer to all of our problems growth. You have unemployment, you want growth poverty, growth overpopulation. You say, well, we need to grow to kick the demographic transition going. So that requires more growth. Environmental Decay and disruption you want more growth to pay the costs of cleaning up the environment. So the answer to every problem is growth. Well we need to stop and say, wait a minute. Now is growth really making us richer. Poor. Maybe isn't at least possible that at the current margin growth physical growth is increasing costs faster than it's increasing benefit if that's so it's making us poor. He and Johnson is a former vice president and before that senior economist at the World Bank. He was Secretary General of the Club of Rome when I spoke to him in two thousand twelve. That was the fortieth anniversary of the limits to growth study which was commissioned by the Club of Rome. I think we've moved very much from thinking that the nature of our problems are purely environmental. They are environmental I'm we are looking at a world where we're depleting many of our natural resources at historic and unprecedented rates. But the same time you have to look at the underlying causes why is that happening? Well, part of it is that we have more people on a part of it is we have more demands from people who have much less than we have an have a right an inherent right to have a standard of living that is higher quality than they have today they. Must have food on the table they must have clean water they should have decent jobs and a decent lifestyle for them and their children. So we have to respect and understand that that's brings us immediately into some of the economic sphere we have to understand that the way we are charting our course on our economic policies on economic growth, for example, is simply wrong. We have got to reengineer are thinking about economics bill mckibben human beings have used more natural resources since the end of World War. Two. than. In all of human history before we've come through an unprecedented binge of. Producing and consuming everything we possibly can. Kate Ray worth reminds us why the size of our economy matters economies, subsystem of the living world dependent upon it, and we must ask straight away how big cannot through flow of materials matter be before it begins to disrupt the very living processes on which we depend for life the functioning of this extraordinary living world. Thus the fundamental question of ecological economics, it never actually comes up mainstream economics Chris the dogs don't even let a see that that question is that. William Reese again they often ask an audience. How many of you in here think it's possible to have infinite economic growth in a finite space not hand will go up and yet that's exactly what we are pretending we can do. Paul Ehrlich again, though I think we work against ourselves in many ways and a lot of it has to do with this thought that only economic growth can bring people happiness only bigger communities will help because it increases the tax base. We never sit back and ask the question of what the Hell people for what do you want with your life I can see changes in my own lifetime when and I were married it was still possible for me to work while she at the beginning raised our young daughter. Now almost all couples have to both work in order to make ends meet and that's why we're having this wonderful economic growth is just nonsensical I. Mean I think most people would much prefer to have a relaxed life to be able to have good friends and have an adequate supply of food and booze, and so make love when they went to not only on the weekends and have it very different kind of life. But we have been persuaded a particularly I control of the media by large corporations and so on to believe that you have to keep running ever faster in place to get more and more junk to consume, you can design a different system. Somebody's got to do it but can you get anyone to adopt it as long as almost all the pressure is in the opposite direction. Sociology Professor Juliet Shore has studied this subject. She wrote the overspent American why we want what we don't need born to buy the commercialized. And the new consumer culture and plentitude the new economics of true wealth we have focused so. Intently in this country, especially on getting more and more and more money and that we've had a culture. Over the last few decades in which that's been absolutely the most important thing and in the process we have. Eroded undermined a variety of other sources of wealth which are equally if not more important for ensuring wellbeing. When you degrade ecosystems in order to make money, you're not really getting wealth. You're you're running down one kind of wealth natural wealth in order to produce another kind of wealth financial wealth, and if you go too far in that, you undermine the basis of life itself and that's part of what's happening. Now in the planetary economy, we are so deep ranging our climate system and biodiversity and other the ocean ecosystems that we are. Undermining the basis on which we live. There's a kind of consumer treadmill that we're onto in which there's just a continual upscaling of what's normal. Most of us try to live to some consumer norm were affected by what people around us have and by and that's a big part of how we set our own standards of adequacy, and so if everybody else is getting a cell phone, you want cell phone and then there be there are practical reasons why you won't have a cell phone to. The same with computer same with an upscale kitchen, the same with. A car with all the accoutrements and so forth people don't like to be left behind and there's a real social penalty to be paid. If you're a person who doesn't keep up with a an escalating consumer norm when we consume whatever it is, we consume, we are degrading ecosystems. So we are pumping carbon into the atmosphere. We are losing species cutting down trees where Defense allowing oceans and so so we're running harder and harder. In Search of higher and higher consumer lifestyle, which isn't yielding that that much in the way of wellbeing, which is destroying the planet. You're listening to welcome to overshoot. Have a nice day a one hour special from conversation Earth. With. The role of consumption and the economy in overshoot. I asked global footprint network founder, Mattis Walker novel about populations role in ecological footprint and overshoot. long-haul two biggest most significant factor of all has been many people we are overall. So he doesn't make big changes from one year next. But in accumulative way, it has a very, very big wait Stanford biologist. Paul Ehrlich again. Well, some people seem to think he can solve the problem say by ignoring population growth, but concentrating on reducing each person's level of. Consumption while you could do that except there's a couple things wrong with it. One is already way way above what the planet can sustain in the long term. So we ought to be working on all three factors to is, of course, if you managed somehow to half each person's consumption on average, and of course, there's a couple of billion people who consume so. Little now if you have them, they die but you allow population size to w haven't gained at all because if you have half as much consumption per person but twice as many persons, you're right where you started from John Seager is president and CEO OF WASHINGTON-BASED NGO population connection but it's not bears chipmunks who are driving those hummers or practices around it's. We humans, and if you look over the last twenty centuries at human population growth and you draw the chart and it looks like a j, it's going up and you do a chart of fossil fuel emissions. It's literally the same line. It's not two different lines they superimpose one on the other. So fossil fuel emissions are a function of human population growth. And unlike some of the really thorny complex issues around. We know today how to address human population growth voluntary means. So it certainly the lowest hanging fruit right now. So, aside, from the overconsumption we've been embracing because of our love affair with economic growth we have nearly eight billion people on the planet who at the very least need food shelter, water, and energy. And that is taking its toll. One of the most commonly referenced estimates of a sustainable world population was done by Cornell professor of Population Ecology David Pimentel. He estimated a world population of two billion living modest but decent lives would keep us out of overshoot. Regardless of what the actual number might be, it's pretty clear. The number is less than today's world population of almost seven point eight billion. It's clear. We need to embrace, celebrate, and even encourage lower birth rates in order to lead our population down toward a sustainable non overshoot level. Yet. The miss around economic growth. Pop up even on the population front to yet again, stand in the way of getting out of overshoot bill. Ryerson. President of Population Media Center and Chair of Population Institute, explains for the last couple of decades there have been a lot of economic journalists and business people particularly in Europe and Japan wringing their hands over what has become known as the birth dearth. And of course, Europe Japan have below replacement level fertility. And so people have been saying, wow, we're going to have the baby boom aging and going through retirement years with a very small working population. How are they going to maintain these people? There are many people ever since Julian, Simon who have well the more population, there is the more consumers there will be, and so we should just keep population growing growing, and perhaps there are no limits or we won't hit the limits anytime soon. So don't worry about population you know it should drive economic welfare, and in fact Stephen Forbes wrote an editorial in Forbes magazine saying, yes. Population growth is a good thing because it creates more consumers than where there's population girls that should stimulate economic growth. This pro population growth bias among policy makers, influencers and journalists obstructs a key exit from overshoot. Without the bias declining birth rates on a full planet might be reported as good news. Instead, we get this moment from PBS Newshour, the lowest number of recorded births in thirty years. The largest single drop since two, thousand, ten, it paints a pretty grim picture. Whoopie Goldberg on the TV talk show the view unless we're able to get around this. The population is going to be way too old to work Meghan McCain on the view as that as it is here, it's exponentially worse in Japan. So that should make everyone feel a little better and Paul Ryan when he was speaker of the US House of Representatives people, this is going to be the new economic challenge for America. People. Baby boomers are retiring. I did my part but but you know we need to have higher birth rates in this country. It's no wonder Earth overshoot day keeps moving earlier year after year. Modest swap knuckles global footprint network estimates win earth overshoot, day of. We. Mark every year today. When humanity has used from Jan refers to that date as much as earth can renew an entire year. That date has crept earlier year after year in two, thousand and nineteen. It was July twenty ninth three days earlier than two, thousand eighteen but in two, thousand and twenty, the date shifted three weeks later to August twenty second. Why? Because the global economy took a major pause due to the corona virus. We can't do this for long just one example of the urgency of getting out of overshoot. The climate disruption we're experiencing because we've been generating more greenhouse gases than the earth can process. Modest. Walker. Naga told me Earth Overshoot Day would be ninety three days later if we could cut the carbon component of our footprint in half. William Captain. told me why he wrote overshoot in the late nineteen seventies we needed to recognize that we had had. A. Cornucopia and myth that shaped our lives that we had this notion of limitless resources. And that that had enabled us to, and in fact, had goaded us into exceeding carrying capacity. William risk well, I guess our best hope is that the signs that the earth is under stress are becoming evident failing. Capitalism happens to be very good at producing a lot of cheap goods and services. But it's been built entirely on the idea that you can accumulate in accumulating accumulate indefinitely. Well, we now know that that's not possible. This time in history may be the first time that a whole global civilization has had to sit down and deliberately rewrite, but we call the cultural mythology. So we've written a narrative that was fine in the nineteenth century, it served us well through much of the twentieth century. If you think that material growth is the goal of all life, but it's outdated. And we now need a new cultural narrative. The evidence is very clear that human activity is of type and scale that is overwhelming. The Earth's life supporting ecosystems. Can we correct this if so how? The math is simple. We need to reduce our numbers or scaleback activities or both. Bill Caton in effect, what we have to do is to downsize ourselves. We simply have to live with less. And we have to do fewer things we have to be less ambitious in Living A high-powered way of life, we have to try to do more with less. Or do less if that's what it takes in order to use smaller quantities of limited resources, we have to try to get away from the dependence that has developed so extensively within the twentieth century on the use of non-renewable resources. And we certainly have to learn that. Our use of non-renewable resources. Caused us to start using even the renewable resources faster than their normal rates of renewal. We simply have been drawing down supplies that are not being replaced can't be replaced at the rates at which we've been using them. I asked historian Karen Higgs. If there isn't an easy button for getting out of over shoot. So if we don't want to end economic growth because it's going to be so hard and so in love with it and we don't want to embrace. Herman dailies idea of steady state economy is there something else we can do? Is there some? Magical solution like can we innovate our way around this? CAN WE USE technology? Can we just go green? On very skeptical about that Dave look I think that innovation. Could be incredibly useful in moderating the ill effects of the headlong growth. especially as we get closer to, you know tipping points, but they has always been a paradox baths innovation. The economist Jason's paradox. What it means is that whenever we've achieved deficiencies then fanned new ways to economize get more out of less. We just keep growing faster anyway. Because the growth trajectory just takes it up and. Continues on. So I really don't believe that innovation. Is a get out of jail free card. The more that we can actually reduce the carbon intensity of air production system, the bitter but. The rate at which we would have to do it to allow us to go on growing indefinitely is. It again, it's magical thinking it's beyond reality it can't happen. Your book was published in two thousand fourteen and you wrote at the time that our path needs hard scrutiny. Why. Is that? Right? Well, for anyone born. At the end of world, war two or since we have grown up amongst galloping economic growth and it looks incredibly natural, it looks like it's the way the world always was, and this is an incredible obstacle to perception or to awareness, and at the same time then we have our governments politicians media. Constant barrage of growth growth growth. Also. It seems to people in. It's necessary that it's desirable. We all want to a higher standard of living we think and we need to grow they afford to create the jobs that are needed by the expanding populations. So we want all these things we think. It must be done. So it's a haunt of magical thinking. Vivid files to say reality. It's definitely not practical. Before he passed away I asked overshoot author. William. Captain. Whether he thought there was a good chance. We would make the necessary adjustments to our system I think it needs to change drastically. Whether it will change rapidly enough for it to be a a soft landing or whether we're going to have a crash landing, it's hard to say. we're still I think. Pretty heavily condition to the idea that progresses forever. I asked ecological economist Herman Daly what he thought the solution might be well, there may not be a solution I can't say that I'm terribly optimistic that all this is going to come about. On the other hand I think one has a a kind of a duty to be hopeful and to at least try to offer some. Ideas and policies that could work. I don't understand the view that people take and I know many economists do. that. Well, this is politically impossible. It's politically impossible to cut back. It's politically impossible to control growth and. Well. It's bio physically impossible to keep on growing. So you got a real dilemma. Do you try to do what's physically impossible or do you try to do what's politically impossible? You know I'd rather take my chances with the political impossible and with the bio physically impossible. We do not have perpetual motion we cannot create matter and energy. We only take it from the environment. Nobody's going to get elected in the next election. For preaching steady state economy, this is going to require a whole lot of change of mind change of heart rethinking. A lot of people are beginning to see that. Economists are wrong. About. This growth forever business. That it's unreasonable. And they're beginning to feel the cost. And so I think maybe my hope is that some politicians will. Say well wait a minute. Let's. Try it out. The subtitle of Kate Ray Worth's book. Doughnut Economics is seven ways to think like a twenty first century economist. Though seven way serve as a remarkably excellent rundown of how our economic thinking needs to change if we're to get out of this overshoot predicament. Okay. The first way is to change the goal. The goal of economics not simply growth it's to meet the needs of all within the means the planet. In order to do that, we need a big picture of the economy is. How it's embedded within the living world and within society and the different forms of provisions, we haven't economy, the market state, the household, the comments we also need a richer picture of who we are win not rational economic man. We're actually social adaptable humans. In the quicker, we embrace a new portrait of ourselves. The great chance will give ourselves a thriving this century. We also need to switch from the mechanical equilibrium thinking that was inspired by Newton's physical laws of motion back in the eighteen seventies, we need to jump into a different kind of science and embrace complexity thinking, which is a fast-melt away of understanding not only get economy, but also the living world in which we are embedded. When it comes to inequality, we shouldn't just wait for growth to even things up because it won't we need to create economies that are distributed by design. When it comes to pollution running down the living world don't wait for growth to clean things up because it went we need to create economies that are regenerative by design that worked together with the living processes of the world. And finally, what does that mean for growth the old addiction of the twentieth century cone, we need to overcome addiction to unending growth. And it created communist that are nostitz talk about growth that enable us to thrive whether on lake road that sounds like a simple flip in words but it's actually a profound radical flip in perspective. And what about solutions on the population side of the equation Bill Ryerson again. The average American can have a better impact a bigger impact on improving the climate situation through limiting family size than any other change, they might make changing the lightbulbs insulating the house. All of those things are good. But reducing family size has a much bigger impact in terms of avoiding carbon dioxide output into the atmosphere now and future. Generations. If we don't address the population issue, the climate and a lot of other problems are going to be completely out of hand hop. Is All about human rights. It is about the rights of women to have the information and the means they need to determine the number and spacing of their children. It is about the health of women and children. It is about the of our environment it is about the future sustainability of the planet. Montas Walker nautical again. Is that. Looking at the demographics side, we know how to shift those tendencies is not done through control actually backfires and stunned by empowering women by making opportunities better women equal rights for everybody access to family planning here, the United States half of the pregnancy still are surprised sometimes positive sometimes negative. If today. We adopted fertility rates of Spain Portugal or Italy today. We would be back to four billion people by the end of the century. which would give much more budgets for paying predication and healthcare. It's a young people give young people are much much better opportunity for the future. When does it stop? How many jobs can this earth possibly support? How big of a flow of income. Can our base of natural capital support if we're pulling out the rug from our own kids and grandkids future their employment. Their income and their environmental quality. Then I think we should back up a little bit. And Focus in on the prospect of stabilizing. Both the number of jobs, and then of course, the population so that you don't have rising rates of unemployment you know stable rate of employment. That has to be a point at which. We stopped trying to make this thing bigger. We, need to build a civilization that can live within the means. For Nature, can supply. We need to get beyond this consumerism. To get beyond our hyperventilating lifestyles are sort. Overwhelming materialism. And start focusing on the things that really matter. I'm not concerned that my children will consume less stuff and have to live lifestyles more like my grandparents. I'm more concerned. The my children will have to live in chaos because we were stupid and we tried to drive right past all these limits and we didn't pay heed to the fact that we're in overshoot and we ended up in three hundred percent overshoot and our entire economies in our world crashes. That's my concern about what our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren won't have to live through. The fact that they might have to live modest lifestyles. That doesn't concern me the lease. Isn't this time and the place to think about changing costs for a better life not a constrain life but a better life that respects environment that respects those people who don't have what we have you and I have isn't it time to be a more sharing place? Isn't it time to be a world where we believe? All limits and that we should respect those limits. We need to redefine progress very much. We don't necessarily have to regard that as the end of the world is going to be a change an end of this world and a movement into that world. But the world we move into might I'm some rewards that will be happy to have. I'm Dave. Gardner, thanks for listening to welcome to overshoot. 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Part 2: How To Get on Top Of Google and Yelp

The Common Cents Show

56:21 min | 2 years ago

Part 2: How To Get on Top Of Google and Yelp

"You're listening commonsense. If you've just started a business or if you're just thinking about this podcast is for us for you. Michael Logan Jonathan Neva's of over Twenty Years Combined Experiences Successful Entrepreneur Ooh vice on this show is used to build their businesses single member organizations to over multi mills who had multi unit Operation Michael Lewis John and then you built the beautiful studio there. I thought it was Nice Nice Nice. I just small correction is my gallery. It's not really yeah. I know I do have a studio as well but I appreciate. That brother means a lot to me. It was nice yeah. You know. That's what it is still. Have I still have it and that's what I'm talking about. I got the space that they wanted to about two three hundred dollars for I walked in and I'm like yeah. I'll give you one hundred twenty-five. They're like we can't do it and I'm like all right one fifty sold so I got the place dirt cheap when in how ill attrition Hammer Plastic I`Ma flooring guy whip the the place in a shape and it literally looks like a fine art gallery but the space is only fifty square feet so I literally have a desk in there just talking to clients on. That's the only place I make my sales. You know if somebody doesn't WANNA boom. If somebody wants to meet with me it's just they impress them in that one little space. I don't have to go to what do you call it a Panera bread but yeah we were. We were talking about the return on investment for the Floyd said like yeah easily so you know where you're projecting a hundred thousand sales from this one add twenty eight hundred dollars add. Yes absolutely I just. I just need somebody to just say hey. I like what you guys like. I just want to get a little more efficient. Come down to my office which I would probably say forty percent. It's not bad yeah. I would definitely say about forty percents. you know. I can definitely get higher but if I just want to if I'm doing doing really well. I basically raise my prices. Well you know what happens when someone tells me that they have like a ninety. Five percents close rate fell by my line. Is that means that you don't have enough leads and if you have a ninety five percent close rate thing you're not getting nearly families or their prices are way too low yeah yeah. That's what I that's why Juggle. Oh you know once I know when my business jumping I'm like Oh yeah. We're cooking right now so I'll raise my prices for the next batch of people and that's when it mhm sound like forty percent. That's literally just had the conversation today because I was looking at my. I mean the summertime. It's always going to be easier for me to make sales but you know look at the closing rate for the summer and I'm like Dad. I need to raise my prices closed. Lack of interest people left and right and you know it's it's funny with sales because it's such a say all the time such a mind game like you closer people so you feel like you're on top of the world. So the last thing you thinking of doing is like I need to reduce my the closing rate by increasing prices because it's such a good feeling when someone wants to business with you but it's also really nice having a lot of money in the bank so right. I I wish thing I you know. Increase your leads. that's what you. WanNa do instead of like going right at the price like I feel like people attack price too fast just too much sometimes and too many price fluctuations can make you seem unstable in the market a little bit so you. WanNa just INC just increase your leads as you want to increase assured gross revenue increase your leads increase sales expand your salesforce. That's good and I liked that strategy where my business differs is the fact that no one can see my prices. That's exactly it's so no one can not online neither. Am I good but what I'm trying to say. Is this like skip that it can go either way. You can argue both sides yeah because the problem to lake take the common ideas like Oh. I want to do more business. Increase my leads but there's I think there's more into like you really gotTA. Look and say What are you doing with the lead. You have now for instance like if you're getting a ton of leads to get more requires. You spend more where you could just simply simply. You know maybe it is the price maybe like in my business for instance. I have a call taker. How what's the percentage of the people. She's closing like this. Is what the conversation we literally really had when you could call me this morning. I don't know like I don't I don't necessarily we can tell you I think it's probably about eighty percent meeting. You know ten people try calling in the not always going to get hurt because she might be on the phone. The next person the office manager might be on the phone. I have one more person in the office. They might be on the phone so somebody. WHO's trying to call the can't get through and then they don't ever get through right there could be some people call and say all prices are too high and they book through so what's our closing rate when people call the average high industry or the or the the goal for industry should be about ninety percent so I'm like I duNNo. Let's track it before we go start spending all this money on more advertising getting Moore leads. What are we doing with the leads we have or the amount of leads we could possibly get. Maybe she needs more training on exactly how to build value to the customer so that when they call and say hey. How much is it for you. Two guys come out here. It's not it's ninety nine bucks okay. I'll give you a call back and they just call around instead. It's well. We're going to send you factory trained technician and they fully we stop vehicles so it's like a warehouse on wheels and you know they go through. All these different value building and service fees only ninety nine dollars for him to come there. Okay sure now. When should I sent him out. There and it's like that's so much more powerful so it's like. I think it's just you got like it's almost a little different in almost every industry edge but for me. That's something I'm looking at. It's like you already know hi. I'm a little cheap when it comes to marketing and stuff but I've learned the hard way. When I first started my business to the head lead Gen sites I was his pain like fifty sixty thousand dollars and two man operation and that's like ridiculous. You know if if I may interject like so oh what I would do with that person because I find that if even if you don't even have a person who knows how to sell like that bag I call taker woman. Have them call anyway so I have a system in my business where we have to follow up on leads five times before we consider it a dead lead so five times whether it's email or text or phone call you just gotTa do it five times that we track every single lead that comes in. I think that one of the things that we can't gloss over his that businesses need to have marketing plans for retention for lead generation and for referrals and stuff like that like so. I don't think it's just a matter of lead generation and then closing sales. It's also retaining the customers you have uh-huh in maintaining those relationships and it's contacting deadly dhs and I'll give you an example a perfect example. I had someone call me who was on my email list for three three years while they just got diagnosed with diabetes now they call me because they had a newsletter some week about about diabetes in laughing at diabetes. I think he is no. I'm laughing at a good day. I might die soon from mill to Giovanni Info in the common sense. No I'm laughing at the fact that people bookmark stuff. That's what I do all the time the people no no. I'll laugh as because everyone in my family's dying depending exact diabetics diabetes like I have a friend who's black. I have diabetes George Costanza Seinfeld. My mother has diabetes. It's all pipes. I literally brought my diabetes injecting myself right now. We're going to get sued so no but but that's the point is is that you wanNA. Have you need to have strategies for all this sort of like so yes. We don't have the luxury as entrepreneurs. Just sit back and like you got a test everything whatever's work you keep and then like Jonathan said like is key I think because as you're going along okay so your person what you said is good like you have. A script where I would disagree is five times is to me. There's no such thing as a deadly cold lead until they tell you not to call them back. That's a deadly Um. I don't know like I can't for me. It just gets uncomfortable around at four over it but but you feel that way so my point is is that there's a reason why leads AIDS call you very cold inside. I am dead inside and you're taking a shower right now but this is about this no but there's a reason why people Boucaud so like you just have to remind them of the reason so it's like. Hey you call me this many times. You know I've touch base with. You haven't been able to get you but it's are you. Are you ready now. Are you ready now and then people people were either say you know what I went. Different direction will not ready. I've had people thanking me after reaching out to for them for months for they go the other direction prefer to be the fat as well as for being persistent. Nah Dave thanks so could come back and say thank you staying on because I got because after I sent you as many they lead I got busy or my mother got sick or my grandmother got sick and like mind was in a different place but because you were so persistent like I really appreciate that you know like here I am and I and I can imagine both of your businesses the same doing in that way not closed following closely is amazing like Almo- almost every time I do it so I usually end up really falling up a close colder leads once we get into like January through April and that's that's a really good time because we're a lot slower that points of great to drum up business and I almost always get at least one to two and we're talking bigger ticket items so it's like a twelve thousand some dollar jobs. I might hit one or two of them around that time and it's like maybe not have got got it at that point. You know right because who knows if let's say it's the next summer the hey we want to revisit this. Do they remember Green Energy. You know what's that company can clean. You don't want to touch on what you're saying. I like that point Jonathan by the way but to touch the the reason why I can't follow up on the lead that goes dead is because it's an actual wedding already married yeah well. They work out exactly you got it. The other thing is up sell them other services very very judy selectors pitch of the U-HAUL truck driving down the street. Take Sega divorce headed before you husband sobbing in the courthouse. That's good idea what you said reach back out to them like a year to a hoping everything's good. I just want to congratulate you again. You guys have any kids on the way we'd love to give you discount on baby pictures. Maybe what I think will be calls like a little newsletter where you could talk about like. Did you buy your home. It could do like home picks. We can do baby picks like you know or just call in the morning anniversary. That's a great anniversary is ten percent off off baby pictures honestly for for me. I'm not gonNA like gloat and say businesses so good. I don't have to do that but but I just don't I don't. I don't get that deep into the marketing you know in shame on me as I should yeah shame but that's just another. That's another pickup pick up. that's another person after pick you automate all very true and central in this age of the digital landscape where you you have crm systems that take you everything for you. It's it's labor intensive. Now you now you did say. I'm calling on something here. You did say that you hire assistance creating automations assistance job anyways not yours so you can put your system to the task of automating your marketing. You know very true but what I did. I'd say earlier is personal. I I you know I I like to think that offer a high level of service where I'm doing things personal like so I feel as if those a automated emails they come off a little automated. You know what I mean they. He could just say hey. How are you doing. You know what I mean but so make a phone call like I mean you could literally hire someone on five or to whole different country but hey you know this. I'm uh-huh racist for second. Don't do that to be can't handle that. You're about to do it to you. In both I wanted just I'm just playing devil's advocate at this point. You're both right. Now is a missed opportunity. You know I find this a lot with business owners because even like sometimes we may talk and Mike might be saying something to me like Hey. Why don't you do in this wants to do in that and as business owners to it's our a baby so we get a little defensive like well. You know I can't do this. You know and sometimes even for myself. I have to kind of stop myself and be like you know what sexy really good advice and you know things that we've told each other like. I said he kinda. Stop and you think about it and implement it pissed off or second like why did I think about that and then it's just like you know what and care there is a point there yeah exactly like there's a point but this is why you mastermind masterminding to. Bagley is something that like a person who can see through your excuses and kids. I like it right to the bone and you just like they're right. Yeah the socks because it is true like what we're saying is is very easy and you're you're talking about delivering a great service do if you shot my leading and then you contacted me a year later on my anniversary and just said. I just want to say happy anniversary. How's everything going all that such a dope idea not such a good time iming just so you know. I do that I don't. I just do it in a different way. I have a awared Jordan system spiritual belief system that I go by certified handles. I don't know if I think of the person I reach out to them. In automating hymns it's weighed by the water. No I just think of the person I in our reach out and I'm constantly thinking about people because I'm always constantly working on my website so for view it has there has to be an element of I'm thinking about you and in some ways I I can understand that because I'm like that too like we're just like. I don't like when people like Oh man Dan. Did you think about me. It's like I think about you. I'm ready to think you know but for you. I'm sure it's largely driven by because you're like more of an emotional guy right like you have like you're really into the feel and the sensory aspect of which you doing everything so. I can understand that from the artist side that you want to kind of be kind of man. I wonder how this person's doing. It was great to work with them. How you doing this Spontaneous Act of light professionalism very true. I is not even that if I think of you. I just hit you up. You know now I can go back in our text messages and I'm like Oh mica right. How's he doing bomb. I'll send that out just so I can know that I got that out the way I live by that that set of that code food if I if you pop up in my head I'm going to reach out and say hello that's it. It's not the net. It's not to sell you anything and I know this is a financial intial gain there and you know but for me you know. I'm not at that point where it's just like I need to Oh my God. I'm so hungry I need to go after sales. Do you know what I mean but when it gets point and anything could happen because businesses trust me. I got those trips right in my bag. You know I got everything written down all all my ideas and all my future marketing strategies. If I WANNA go really aggressive in in ramp up the business you know because I go that route two but it hasn't hasn't really got a point where I need to implement that strategy and by the way help great great strategy. We know I know but you know. The reality is is like you're really good with that stuff to come to your Jerem. No not that I mean I think the thing is in general like you know we talk about this all the time right like when you start and I think this is part of one of the questions you have to ask yourself so when you start your business. which is you have to Start Your Business? which are why like? Why are you starting a business and it's not the same for everybody you know so for me and I think Jonathan and Jonathan he can speak for himself but I think you know with. Our vision is like we want to. We love running businesses but we want the business itself and we we we've talked about all the time like man. I WanNa be nice. It's been like three weeks in Hawaii and then like you just come back copays growing because even have to do anything like I think that's kind of where like we're our mind goals when it comes to business and Jonathan like I can speak for myself on that one but that was part of my why when I was running the business because in my head I saw I in my business world in my business life. I saw that the business was doing my business had a personal we'll talk but it had a touch as part of a system related to the business and how we run and function but I think for some people some people are literally not interested in in an operating businesses in that way and that's okay because I think that you can achieve the same retirement result in that way and oftentimes times what happens is there's a few ways to get your business and we talked about this. One of our early episodes of the commonsense show which was this four or five ways where businesses stopped running where where people sell them or get out of them and one of them is literally to work and then close the doors because you've achieved your goals and now you're ready to move on and I think that for people who are more interested in the self employed aspect aspect of running a business. That's often where they end up in closing your business not like I'm going down because of broke well. You've achieved what you wanted to achieve. It could be financial. It could be the amount of people you've helped it could be that you've reached capacity and all of that stuff is all right in the spectrum of owning and running a business. You know what I mean. But what did you think Jonathan about that. I agree. I mean for me like you know. It's always funny when people ask like hobbies and stuff like like or like a because one of my hobbies is my business business like it's like I. I really enjoy business. If I'm on vacation and you know you'll see a bunch of people reading books on their chair by the pool are meeting a business book. uh-huh. This is how my brain's wire like I don't I don't get why would be like about a mystery novel. That could be reading something but I enjoy it so it's not like I'm doing it because I'm trying to get better. I just what I like to I let now that I've gotten better at implementing systems in the business. I've gotten addicted addicted to it and now I'm like Oh. We need to have this in that system and so like you know even as we speak people office actually putting in systems that we talked about today. I and I want daily reports on on certain numbers that I can track. KPI's with them young adamant about it so that's the stuff that I like to do and this has always been my why but my why more recently is legacy yeah you know I want to be at the people like wow like green. Energy Dominates Tate's this area when it comes to heating air conditioning. I want people to just like I don't. I don't even have billboards up. You know who who we are but you know I got. Some head shots done like two three years ago. Two years ago something like that and this lady used to be in banking finance making tons of money work at a company left for just left. One day decided to open up. She was in photography whatever did thing and now she does. Comic invoke type of things like dressing arson of women and she'll just stay with the woman the whole day and making literally look like they're on a magazine cover. It makes them look really special. They pay really good money to do it and I don't know if she's making like a ton of money doing it. I think she makes a fraction of what she made before but this chick was in Naples like like she's like climbing mountains islands in Peru like she just like goes all the world doing what she wants to do and living her life and she has a great lifestyle so I agree like that wouldn't do it for me like I. I wouldn't like that personally but that's her why that's beautiful and that's what I love about. Entrepreneurship is like and why we get so focused on the why because because you could spend so much time going after someone else's why and then that's why you get burnt out and you stop and oh I made all these excuses why entrepreneurship didn't work no. You'd never ever had a really clear. Cut Why you're doing it and that's why you got burnt out because that's what makes it where. I continue on in those really tough times because I know what my why is. I love it. I love it if I may at you know. Just I WANNA touch on my way. If that's alright you know member of sitting in that room and I said I and he depicts some money and I said you know I have to do what I'm relatively good and there is a good opportunity here you know so although Mike Mike complete whole heart is not as a wedding photographer. I'm very competitive so I have to be the best wedding photographer and if if you look at my images compared to La photographers in this area or around the world you'd be like wow this guy is truly best but but that why they wrote this earlier today 'cause I just wanted to give you guys a little summary about me but who I am what I wrote self employed business owner the operator to actively converts as much revenue into passive income businesses so I think we're in a line the my vehicles a little different than yours. You know whereas your self sustained businesses. I'm going towards that route with the revenue that I make from me putting all my hard work into it but like you said I think eventually one day I will close my door because the passive income has outweighed the active income so to speak so awesome awesome yeah. That's what it's about like. It doesn't matter what matters is that you achieve the result that you want and I think they'll be caught up. We only have one shot. Yeah you know at life you get one. You don't care do over and you certainly unless you're Bruce Jenner. You can't look the cast so if once he's tired already I love all people those with diabetes. That's what everyone says that all people's time exactly jokin. I love everyone right. The Higher Geography George The jokers. I can't wait to three months for us to be number one on yelp until I say you send me hate mail. I I love posted my ball kidding though joke you know like you get one opportunity to do this. One shot yeah. I always taste eminem you do though he's right. You only get one and and you don't have to necessarily do it right because what is right right. It depends ends on who you are and I'm not talking about morality. I'm talking about how it gets done. You know about how you get to wherever you think at the end of the road is for you but the worst thing to do. I think is a sit there. If you're trying to craft a business and to not try your best you want to be an entrepreneur and put everything thing into it. The worst thing you can do is go into it and then have no Hartford yeah now or just go into it and do a halfway. No half measures man just do it for only full measures managers do all the way and then like leave everything out out there and then whatever happens happens if you fail you fail failure doesn't mean anything it just means series the best you have to redirect direct. That's all I am one hundred percent agree with everything you say but I have to disagree with one thing sure your heart doesn't have to be in it. I have a whole chapter on my a book called genuinely fake. I coined the term where like I for lack of better words. I get spit on my customers at times where they treat me like garbage and trash and just complete dirt but I keep a smile on my face because I know that I have to I. I have to get to my results like I. You know it's hard to explain but it's you gotta play it. What I'm trying to say is this like? I hope you -tations nations so much that I won't let this this. This person ruined ruined me you log on to find another adjective another now. I won't let them ruin me. You know what I mean and I find that a lot of people in my industry. They get ruined by not being being able to put on their smile when they need to. You know what I mean so although again I I tr- why is fake. It's fake because you wanNA lash shout and you WanNa you WANNA rebuttal. You know you want to speak your mind but sometimes you just gotta think that's fake. I don't think it's fake or true right like so for instance like if you're doing awesome if you're gonNA make him rewrite his book. It's photography photography is part of Your Your Business Plan. That's your truth the customers that come and go our customers who come and go the thing about and within that realm is how you deliver your service but it was true is that you handle your business the way the way you're supposed to handle your business. Here's the problem. Yes I agree with that. The problem is this. I wish things weren't I wish things weren't yelp open google related and driven by reviews and stuff but once one four star or three star two star review could ruin a photographer's company sure it's that thin of margin and then of you know of whatever that it could ruin your company because I'm the type of person that I would literally go to lowest reviews. I do that all the time and most of us. Do you know. We don't even think about it one star. I have to read it. You have to see what they had with. The pessimists are saying about this person because they have so many good reviews. You got to be the kind of person I WANNA look at one start. I'm going to get five star and I'm going to disregard them. Yes most important for an stars to me. Are the three stars I was just going to say. Reviews are three. That's why it's funny. If you look at us we only have like five and one's but some of them that are ones are actually she like hilarious because like even look at them. You could just tell the the customers just just mad killers. You know I want to tell you something. I don't have any four star reviews no four and a half no three star to starting all five star because that's the that's the level of commitment. I'm talking about and there's a couple hoping nothing wrong with that and there's a couple of people out there who are literally doing the same exact thing and if one of US slips we get the lead and we get that that level. Oh we get that revenue you know what I mean and it's that then so I have to think about that stuff too but I also think about you know what I mean. I remember you said in the episode how you got to work with the customers that no one wants to work because you can charge more and you can do other stuff like that but but what what I'm trying to say is such such of us on a slice you know when it comes reputation and I can't falter and you have to suck it up sometimes and that's what I mean by genuinely fake and I don't mean a I don't want I don't I don't go around. Just you know I mean being a complete pushover because I don't have to but most because most people actually nice human beings but now and then leading to like get those Bridezilla Lizzie. I couldn't deal with that but I think that also that is. We talked about downsized. That's the downside of having your name brand with the company exactly that you kind of it. Forces you into extreme. Every company should deal reputation management but you have no choice if you if you have well I could still you know what I mean. I agree with that but I also disagree where I can literally. I could hire ten. Photographer is the work for me and still be called you photography only thing. I would say like like I agree with you. It's great having all five star but that's going to be harder to manage once you start hiring more people it'll just take more training and more more like things in place but it's inevitable like you like you. Can't you can't control. Nobody's GONNA run. Take Pictures Giovanni just take the less you don't want to but he doesn't so he doesn't want those unless I don't want I don't WanNa. I don't WanNa scale that way again. I have other businesses. I'll tell you a couple. Abbas studio where people can the other photographers and Theodora. I can rent my studio in do their jobs at my studio. I've been to it's nice. That's cool yeah to floors. AC The whole nice but but I put eighty grand into that built it from scratch has the whole nine. I actually got to talk to you Paul. H wreck one of these days but yeah I it's like like I would rather put my money into that because that's long-term yeah. It's literally right next to my house and so you know what I mean. I'll suck it up now for my family's future later but this is my point about having the your name until associate with the companies before earlier. which is you have that razor thin edge because of it because you are that person like there's no one else if you have other employees people will say oh? It was an employee because line 'cause you could call up and say this is Giovanni photographer the owner. Oh I didn't work with you. I work with Joe or I were amy and or you know Martha or something and then like. Oh these names coming pretty much I in nineteen seventy. I was trying to figure northeast beverly ethnic name. What about raw she'd man. Yeah uh-huh Cassandra Jimmy Harold Wayne I doc I had a photographer Harrow Wayne Harrell way read and so like but yeah you you can get away with like over four stars but people going. Oh that wasn't Giovanni that wasn't like the owner you know and if he responded as owner is different but oftentimes people are GonNa say is Giovanni. Giovanni was great yeah. They're gonNA mention your name and then that's why I say that when you're attached to the review so closely then when people are reading the review your the Kobe Giovanni photographer and they're like Giovanni did this or that or Giovanni acted inappropriately then it automatically. If People's mind are going to be like bill affects the entire our company versus someone saying versus someone saying I work with you know Jonathan at Giovanni the photographers because they're going to read their name associated with that review you know and so that's that's just one drawback. I saw it doesn't it doesn't really matter because if this is your play right here and so you have to run your play play so I got to give you that one. This is my play and this is what I thought of when I when I built my business plan summary so to speak you know I said I'm going to deliver personal five star service. Don't gloss over just prisoner personal plan summary. That's all of that stuff you just I rolled that business. No give me a Swat analysis any day no I will. I trust me. I love all of that. Yeah I'll go dirty. Page business plans all up to me. Giovanni the photographer five star Yelp or raise it then review conquer. Tell us next for you and your businesses as excellent question. Thank you for asking it. You know I have a a book that I wrote. It's not going to be released until about February two thousand twenty but it's called small business how to be number one on Google Out in this book teaches it teaches business owners down in. Oh it's not all about Google and yelp despite the title into name but it actually does does teaches them it teaches business owners to get to the top Google out and if you want to share some some of too cool techniques out of their lighten. Go share all of them but I'll well. Google is the best compare to Yelp but yelp is the devil yelp is basically in my opinion yelp doesn't have any integrity as a company and small businesses would agree with you and I I hate yelp. He'll basically Hitler was coming. Ever Yeah slipped to Nazi Germany so yeah yeah yelp is easily. XLII manipulated in the book. I really detail on how to get to the top of Yelp but I'll teach you. I'll teach you all right now so and this this is way before before anyone else so let's hit an alert right here right commercial. Goldman so yelp is all formula based in so is Google to an extent you know what I mean in but Google has found a way to hide their motives so to speak and what I mean by that is Google is literally there to hey give people information in get give them information as quickly as possible and yelp tries to do that as well but they're also really really really really trying to make money and so for example when you sign up for Yelp or when you create a yelp business since account somebody immediately calls you and ask if you went to advertise yell so that being said their search rankings are easily manipulated in when I say manipulated a person could change a few things on their profile and get immediate it results so if you're on pay if you're on ranking number fifty hypothetically and by the way this is all my opinion in what I've proven proven to myself and I have actual records of all of this stuff so you can literally optimize your profile immediately move up on on yelp right away for example with yell. Most people think that they need to get more reviews. Would you agree guys true. If I have more reviews I'll be hiring. I need more reviews yelp. yelp reviews are a small little portion of the of the puzzle turns out. YELP is literally based on counting words so so so whoever has the most words whoever drops the most keywords whoever drops the most you know basically keywords with in in the main sections of their profiles dare typically going to move up so yelp has about three different sections. They have the business owner section where you can right A. Little profile about yourself. They have the business section about you can talk about the business and there's a third one. I think I forgot what it was is. I just can't think right now but if you can optimize right the perfect copyright for for Yelp then you will immediately mmediately see results on their on their website and that's not the case Google Google requires you do a little more work you know on the back end and no one a little bit about Seo and all that stuff but through trial and error we have literally cracked yelps code at my little small company Giovanni photographer. You know what I mean in. We were literally ranked number. One photographer in Boston Massachusetts United States states of America for many many months and then and by the way let me preface this by saying that we you were literally starting to pull away from all of our competition and what I mean by that is at one point in time the top photographer who was at that number one ranking was at about the thirty eight they had about thirty thirty nine reviews at the time and we had about thirty and we were in number two for the longest and we were in number ten we we started from the bottom three ranking fifty at one point in time but we slowly slowly kept trying different things and then we finally one day we cracked the code so like with anything such as Google Google blogs. Everyone knows about blogs. Write blogs you move up the rankings cre- tell stories and stuff like that but with those three sections combined with reviews so again remember we talked about the business owner about me section business all of that and there's one more forgiving or if you WANNA pull it up. I could pull up quickly. If you give me the section yeah the yelp seconds you can tell about your business stuff that you can actively fill out so that right there. I can pull up on my phone but but you can also fill out words in your pitchers hit home with you like your type of all tags yes in all tags so suppressive coming from Jonathan for help them learn. I hope the power Britain's tablet the other day so old man how to use this dern thing yeah so so hypothetically if you post if you post host you know most people on yell they have about five or six images. Maybe some good ones maybe probably had fifty images ages but imagine having fifty magin having five hundred six hundred images on. Yo and you fill out that section and put put those keywords in every single section imagine that you would have way more words in Yelp is basically only counting words. It's as simple as that. Yelp doesn't read what the words saying. They don't know if it's you're. You're doing a good job or not. They don't know any of that stuff for in my opinion. If you fill out your profile correctly simply by mentioning as many words as possible in a creative way or whatnot and then you also fill in no oh sections on this categories and services side let me Regis Yale New yelp like the back of my hand so you got business information. That's one section categories and businesses so right now. I'm looking at your profile that you just showed me. You only have two categories. You have a whole nother one that you could put in there so mike you're missing right now on on another category so to speak if you care about a couple of minutes totally fine and then you're feature photo uh-huh section like you don't have any photos there. You know what I mean. There's no photos so if you are less upgrades action. That's what I do have photos. How many forward you have maybe sixteen? Yes see that right there. If you would have put quadruple with the highest number number one person has has and you filled out gyms in Boston woman under the caption. Yes women working out. You know what I mean. Just basically label the pictures exactly that's a missed opportunity that most people skim over but yelp is assuming that nobody's GonNa figure that L. but we I cracked a code. I crack acted and we literally were just filling it out in our rankings. were changing immediately so we were number one photo booth company. I keep saying gene. We're past tense because I don't care about yell because the company that does you stop doing it now. I don't I don't even check my job rankings anymore and by the way I'm still haven't stopped doing it because 'cause you're number. One you continue to maintain your number one spot right by the way I'm still highly ranked on Yelp. We could check this right now every single category category that I want to be in I'm still on page one. Maybe top three right you hear them saying so. What is your recommendation for people listening to this to just kinda convince a little bit yeah. What's your recommendation for people listening might recommend for how they should be searched on yelp versatile. Is there a difference there. Should it be what you do. We're you do it like how how would you recommend that. Someone stood up this search category. That's a great great question. I think the first step just to answer a different question. Completely is to optimize your profile in fill out every section as much as you possibly can every section that they offer to business owners yes. The reviews are just a small portion of what yelp hope is all about okay. So what do you consider. What do you consider to be good metrics for a yelp page then number one. That's what it's all about. Not just about number wants that s like for instance how many photos and then each one should have captured like you said so how many 'cause like great in this podcast. We ended the nitty-gritty so how many photo should number one so. What does that mean to the note. Does it give you up so if you're an Inga Free Version O. Oh yelp once as many pictures as possible okay. There's no cat okay and you can use that to your advantage. So I you know for from my point of view. Don't do it. Obviously we yell. You know what I mean. 'cause eventually put you at me and that's what. I was trying to say earlier. They took away all my reviews yelp due to me. You violated the terms something exactly no no no no they didn't they wouldn't give me an answer. They said that it's a natural algorithm and its naturally computering but they basically put the heck so my account in an I went from and by the way remember telling you about that lady who had about thirty reviews. I ended up going up to about fifty six fifty eight reviews so I was starting to pull away from the herd and they were like Whoa. This is a nominally. What is this guy doing something different. They probably check my profile in saw that all of my pictures were relabeled to beat their formula. You know what I'm saying so but but what about the people who thousands of reviews that are still ranked number one on Yelp. I don't understand your question but what what about companies out there. They have like thousands of reviews on yelp which there are many games like two three four thousand reviews views that are still ranked number one yelp. You know what I mean like. What can they do know is but you said Yelp attacked your account. Did you getting going back. I'm assuming no get reviewed. That's why I don't care about yelp anymore. I don't I don't I don't put any stake into that anymore because I can't have another company company controlling the fate of my business in my employees so what's the benefit for people to do yelp. There is definitely a benefit which don't get me wrong. I still get leads from from yelp and actually the what and I still make money with the benefit of going all out for a yield profile. I think there's money to be had especially. If you're someone like Jonathan's industry where or or even yours you mind. If I disclose the numbers you said earlier what the advertising no the mount per client you make oh no. It's it's easy like it's it's the average for our new facilities two hundred a month and the average for our boss facilities three seventy five a month so talking doc in you know thousands of dollars per lead. You know what I mean and you don't need any Li exactly per year and you don't need too many leads to stay in business now. So that's the benefit right there. All you need is a couple leads. Stay in business in some aspects. So what happens when you take those reviews away you'd see that's the thing in here's the part that I want to give you so you don't end up where I ended up because they put a hex on my account. Just do it until you're number one. You know what I mean just add as many photos but don't be so aggressive just describe what's actually actually going on in the photo don't just blanket so. I was putting the actual categories that my business was in under the pitcher but you see what I'm saying like is this this is it is is the headache of going through this to get number one north it worth it. Yes the number knbr one ranking on Yelp is probably a millionaire every in every category and so if you were the number one businesses Mr for gyms number one bobber you're receiving so John John Mike. If you saw my phone did every day the amount of leads that I got from Yelp and I'm I'm a photographer. That's not even a popular category to type in. So why would you hate yelp then if it was doing that for your the business because I don't like the fact that anybody can do that in change their rankings that easily and then on top of that yelp has been known to tomato reviews they will mess with the review of the world to them or they'll whatever the case is. This is why a lot of business stories like him exactly 'cause they filter genuine reviews from genuine customers by the way. I'm GONNA give you a powerful that Yup because we are complete alliance. Oh yeah that's an alignment. That's what my that's one of these. I don't like them because I have something like thirteen to maybe twenty reviews and that are being filtered at the moment. I had two hundred sixty that they refuse to give back. They refuse to give back so how many reviews you have active. Now says they filter them. Do you have Internet on his computer. Yeah can we pull it sure is I want to show you some cool stuff as well so we're going to google. Actually I can do my phone. If it's been a yelp Giovanni photographer okay NC and by the way I also know the formula for Google as well which is my favorite formula of the mall aw because Google sincere company who focuses on who actually wants to help their people get true in natural result colts. You know what I mean so you have nine reviews nine reviews okay too so that's nine public reviews. Go Down Jonas. Look at your filter reviews. Yeah exactly go down to that section. Tell me what it says and also they're pulling reviews. That have nothing to do with my business. You have one hundred hundred sixty three filtered reviews. So do you see what I'm saying. You see what I mean like. How what I'm trying to tell you is yeah so you have you basically the same complaints every other small business spoken to which is that they take your reviews away you talk to them. They don't give them back to you and they a they blame it. On the fact that this algorithm even visit you knew and customer exactly and and what I've done is what they what they've told me. Recommendation was go back to your customer. Ask them the the right to review again which I have and they filter it again. That's the difference between myself and other business owners is this. I was actively a happy customer 'cause I was. I was paying for ads with them also so you didn't hate them. No I love the oh I would I would I would probably catch a bullet if a yelp at one point in time but Yeltsin my opinions too lazy and and they don't have enough money to come up with an actual formula like Google which is obviously a billion dollar company up to to to fix their problem of integrity. They have integrity problem sure you know what I mean angry with that. I totally I think in no small all business owner that I would ever spoken to has ever said anything else. Small Business Owners that I've spoken to and this is not really Ayodele because I've got an actual experiences from yelp from the from at least two dozen businesses do not like them because of exactly Ackley your point which is that filter yelp is preying on small business owners sure they're preying on them three hundred dollars a month for the advertising program is what they want to charge you four hundred. I don't know where you heard three hundred but if you're saying three hundred dollar deal because you probably were like breath. They called me all the time when they called when they called me. I basically tell them start recording those calls. I don't like you don't WanNa do business with you. I would never do business is with you. Even if you were giving it to me for free I wouldn't even trust you guys with it exactly and they still call me. They still they don't listen. You know what I mean. That's a whole nother Catton Catton hat whatever cat in a bag so what else do you have going on which are coming up for your business. Okay so that that that how to be number one on Google Yup and Yelp book is is going to be turned into an actual program. Okay okay that business owners around the world can purchase where I'm basically and it's already done. I read the entire book in front of a camera so you can actually the follow along. SORTA like a video audio book so to speak so you see my hand gestures in in my in my and all of my you know you can you can really get a personal feel when watching the video personal personal personal any other business or products coming out of the book. You know what I'm trying to say. Is this that book that that Video Audio Book will be turned into a program where I give insight and I bring people like you and Jonathan in exactly it'll be turned into a course where you can actually hold you can see me on a computer changing things and yelp and changing things on Google and going through every all of my different chapters and you can become a better business from it and it's only going to be three hundred dollars. You can expect that the drop Banana February two thousand twenty and it's all under the banner animal. Seo that's the that's the company name Animal Seo Okay Awesome and mm-hmm. That's cool yeah so and working people if they want to reach out to you to ask you questions about today's appearance on the show or just get in contact with you. How can they get in contact with you. Yes just reach out to the common sense since podcasts. You know what I mean. We're GONNA put a contact thing. Okay all right perfect you. How can they return to you directly. I would say reach out to me at Giovanni. Oh photographer prefer to edgy millicom okay so do you ever talk over the number two g mail dot com and facebook look or something. That's why you know what I mean. That's that's basically all I I R- I check out everything from that. Okay Yeah but Giovanni. We've had a lasted a man absolutely thank you for coming down so grateful. We've talked about this for a little bit and we appreciate you sharing insights and you commonsense with the folks here sure it's nice to have a bunch of different perspective on business and how people see business so we thank you for coming down for it man. I appreciate it. I'm so grateful would've here with you. Guys and I'm honestly I'm proud and I it just makes me. WanNa go harder listening to your podcasts everyday and learning earning day. I like that frequency much more lately. You're all right but yeah you know I just honorable to see the two gentlemen that actively have successful businesses or not. You could be lying right now but it doesn't matter to me you. Actually you're given. Hey you know what I'm saying is as a entrepreneur may take the good parts of that apply to their business. You know what I mean. I know you that line 'cause I've been to your business popping like I did a video for you but it's a wonderful fail him and thank you. They have any brother of course I man Giovanni. The photographer AKA photographer real name is Giovanni Francis. We thank him from coming down. This is common sense conversations until next time. Use Your commonsense and your business and your business will grow but for now rod here uh the reading in that show doesn't make any sense over his Stanley is funny. Oh that's that's what I'm saying. They're all like they all have. The thing that makes it just adds to it was never know gyms funny in the sense of like like what he does didn't wait and stuff like dress up as white one day. God the one where it will go white dwight versus the computer who were selling paper but it was really Pam type in he lose depot jumped Ivan. That's how he's hilarious like. She just does mad funny stuff by Jar. He's got it the end.

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BOX362: Those Rapscallion Urban Explorers

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BOX362: Those Rapscallion Urban Explorers

"When you get xfinity internet flexes included free and finding what to watch on. Tv is now as easy as popcorn showing favorites. Yes live soccer. How easy it is to find my favorite content all in one place and community internet customers. It all starts free with expenditure flex. This is a way better way to watch. Learn how to get a great offer. Xfinity internet plus adolf reflex four case dreaming box go to xfinity dot com. Call one eight hundred affinity or visit a store today. Restrictions apply what follows may not be suitable for all audiences listener discretion is advised The world is full of stories. Stories of mysteries of curiosities. Of join an jeff through gilligan. Tov for the strange. The boozers the unexpected as the bid and wash asleep. You're inside the box oddities. So i thought we'd start this installment with another segment of weird shit. Cat says right. Before the mike's go on we come become in. We're just kind of fussing about getting ready to record. I'm almost ready to hit the record button and cat blurts out you know. Ferrets are great pets for people who would love to have ferrets for a pet. And i think that's hard to argue with. I mean it's accurate. But i think i said ferrets make great pets for people who really want to have a ferret. Oh okay just. i'm paraphrasing. Were clear. I don't want to put words in your mouth. I know that it sounds silly but ferrets are a lot of work and you just have to really want to have a ferret and do that work in order to have a ferret and be a good pet owner you know. I don't need to explain myself to you. Welcome to ferret talk free buddy. All right enough about ferrets would do you have to talk about well. Have you seen those pictures of the elongated skulls. Yeah they they're archaeological discoveries of elongated skulls that come from all over the world it's known as artificial cranial de formation. It's a form of body modification head flattening or head binding. They call it It's when the skull of a human being is deformed intentionally right and sometimes they do that using rope or they do it using baby boards. Yeah they call it cradle head boarding do that. According to wikipedia when they use the cradle boarding technique the head comes out kind of flat. Then there are more oblong egg shaped heads and those are done with cloth binding and then there are cone shaped ones and those are the ones that are considered to be the chosen one or the valued members of society. That's what they believe. Is that if the cone shape head is sticking on of your neck that you're vip. Okay so. Dan ackroyd just like dan. Ackroyd the practice of artificially elongating. The skull has been done in a surprisingly high number of cultures. Just about every corner of the world from the far east. They found them in africa in the americas western europe. Even the question is why. Would ancient people take a precious little new baby and wanna change its head to look like a penis. Experts suggest that it was a way to distinguish royalty or upper class citizens from the masses. I guess that's one way to do it. Not just like you're the only ones that can wear purple but now your heads misshapen. Yeah they could have just given him a wristband like they're on a cruise ship. You get into the vip area. Just make sure you have your wristband on a recent study. Using carbon and nitrogen isotope analysis of the bones has shown that in most of the samples of elongated or distended heads. These people eight more varied diet which suggests that they were from a more privileged class. That makes sense. They also show fewer signs of physical violence that of course suggests that they also were vip sons and daughters of the well to do but in some of the skulls that don't date back quite as far as these ones. that's not necessarily. The case appears that even lower class people later on started elongating. The skull sure it was the lower classes way of Trying to fit in they wanted to emulate people have higher society but who are the members of higher society trying to emulate. Oh i see where this is going at the same time. It's been considered possible that the practice of cranial de formation originated from an attempt to emulate those groups are or population in which elongated shape was a natural condition the skulls of some ancient egyptians or among those identified as being along gated naturally. And they've discovered that there was a lot of inbreeding and testing the remains of some of the royal family members from egypt all had macro really which can cause that distinction. In other words the royal family suffered from microcephaly and the commoners wanted to emulate those people. Well that makes sense you know. In in every culture the lower class people always try to get in on the vibe of the cone head. Vip's right during elizabethan times. We've talked about this queen. Elizabeth loved her sugar and because she could afford lots of sugar. Her teeth rotted outright. And so people would artificially black their teeth out. So they'd look like the queen hot so hot. Throughout the years the skulls have been proven to be of human origin. There have been some recent discoveries though that suggests there might be a little bit more to the story. The remains of people with long gated skulls have been found as i said all over the globe and some date back as far as three thousand years. Wow one of the more intriguing. Fines was made by a guy named julio tello in the late nineteen twenty s. He discovered hundreds of cone shaped skulls in paralysis in the perrakis region. Peru and left perot and in the past decade pretty intriguing discoveries have been made involving the piroska skulls in all he found more than three hundred of them and they raise more questions than they provide answers in two thousand fourteen geneticist carried out some preliminary dna testing on these skulls. And this is the stuff that i really gets my juices going. What the test reportedly showed was that the mitochondrial dna included mutations unknown to human primate or animal known so far no even though this was done by a reputable laboratory they themselves suggest that perhaps the samples were contaminated. Okay okay. I'm trying to be fair here. Okay it's probably aliens but so a second round of dna testing was completed just a couple of years ago and Things got even more confusing. These particular skulls that they tested date back three thousand years. And what the dna testing showed was and again. This is from the perrakis region of peru. What it showed was that. These skulls had a european in middle eastern origin. Oh wow how do these people from europe or the middle east end up in peru over three thousand years ago that completely changes how we look at migrate in the history of people as a whole and why were their skulls bound in a similar way if not identical to the methods of those that were used in that area well. This is not the first time that we've seen examples of migration or Archaeology or building methods across the globe. That don't exactly make sense with what we think we know about. Well pyramids exactly a good example and all right along the same latitude weird. It is weird. Okay so let's just take the whole ancient alien possibility out of the equation. But just think about that. That is so interesting. So testing of the mighty conrail dna. That was extracted from the samples showed the genetic population of h. two a. which is most frequently found in eastern europe and to a lesser degree western europe the bone powder from one of the elongated skulls test came back as t to be which originates from messa potato mea which is now syria. And essentially the heart of the fertile crescent this is where a lot of historians think that civilization was birthed ancient mesopotamia the garden of eden. If you will. So even though there's very little question that people intentionally deformed the skulls of their children the practice of cradle head boarding won't change some of the basic characteristics of a human skull in a recent interview with ancient origins author and researcher a. missoula described. How some of the Skulls differ from an ordinary human skull. Quote there's a possibility that it might have been cradled head boarding. But the reason why i don't think so is because the position of the forum and magnum is back toward the rear of the skull. A normal human position would be closer to the on. That's where the neck bone connects to the the skull. In the case of these skulls further back he went on to say. That archaeologist has written a paper about in study of the position of that connecting area over one thousand skulls have been researched. He states that the perrakis skulls the position is completely different than a human being. It is also smaller which itself leads to the theory that it is not cradle head boarding That this is in fact genetic. Oh so because of the position of where it connects to the neck. It's been suggested that in order for the person who had that skull to walk around. In order to keep their balance neck would have had to have been much longer than what you would expect human neck to be. That's rad. he also points out the size and shape of the eye sockets in his studies. He claims that the eye sockets varian size by up to twenty millimeters compared to a normal human skull and he consulted an expert anatomy and that person told him based on those findings that this particular entity would have had something similar to night vision. And that's interesting. Because the remains of the civilization in raucous their villages were underground. They lived subterranean hum and in their discovery of these settlements these subterranean settlements there was no indication of that torches. Were ever used. that's amazing. In addition many of the skulls still had a lot of hair on them and the hair is red. How can this be. The first thought was maybe They thought maybe the hair had been bleached out over time but two different hair. Experts have disproven that idea. These particular parac's people had blond to reddish hair that was thirty percent thinner than native american hair. Which is genetically more common to be black right so he suggested that the piracha skulls are not the result of intentional cradle boarding. He's suggesting it's genetic now again. It's true that there are many diseases that cause elongated skulls but when a skull elongated in it's been caused by genetic characteristics still similar to the hugh normal human skull. For example. lean. There's a A suture line in your skull when you look at a picture of a skull you see that line that goes from the front of the forehead all the way back in the connects the two plates in the back when a skull his cradle head boarded or bound. It changes the shape over time of the skull that fischer is still there. Of course the parochial people don't have that oh wow n- and there's not a disease that would create a skull that doesn't have that there could be a disease that hasn't been discovered. Perhaps that would cause that. I'm sure that's a distinct possibility but every single one of these skulls is like that and there's over three hundred of them. Wow so now. Here's where it gets a little bit weird okay. Weird but interesting. Because of the alleged inconsistency in the dna both in the structure and the origin l. a. Muzuli believes the results fit perfectly into his hypothesis that he he's had this before he even did testing on the skulls. The purkis people are the leam naphthalene yes. According to ancient biblical scripture the lean are the offspring of fallen angels in women of earth which resulted in a hybrid entity right. But what would it. What would it be like in real life. Well there are those who interpret that as alien creatures breeding with humans right okay but like what would that be like in real life. Be an alien hybrid. Well you know it's interesting because it's my conrail. Dna that shows that it's from the team area which is traditionally thought of as the area where the neff aleem in also early civilization took root when you consider the dna that they extracted had some inconsistencies in it that suggests that it perhaps could well. It came from that region but also there are inconsistencies. granted. They say it's could be due to contamination but inconsistencies in the dna that suggests that it's human hybrid with some unknown animal. Missoula says his colleagues are planning further testing Some of the labs that have worked with him in the past now views to. Oh no they don't wanna work with a guy but he continues to work with the peruvian in america. In some american archaeologists they do have permission from the head of the head archaeologist of the peruvian museum to take some more samples. Well i think that's absolutely important especially where there's been some inconsistencies and a lot of questions still to be answered you'll present them to the ministry of culture for final comment before the samples would be taken to two labs in the us for testing possibly one in canada canada. The results could take years and obviously mainstream academics. Think well i think the technical term is bullshit. Missoula himself says that the mainstream academics will probably continue to attack these results by pointing out that. He's not a scientist but he urges them to replicate the study quote attack the evidence. Go down and get your own samples. Pay for the dna lab and then come back to me with your science. Do some science like we have done. The full lab reports of the dna tests are available in his book which is called naphthalene hybrids. And there's also a couple of shows on amazon with this guy. Called the watchers episode. Ten is specifically about his theory. Why do i have the feeling that we're going to be watching. That shortly. already watched it and knew it. My source information was usa today. Kapika ancient origins website. And i fucking love science lab. Thank you so much for that detailed and very creative story there were giants in those days. That thing in the middle. The nineteen ninety four comedy baby's day out is as popular in india as star wars is in the western world. It's been remade twice in india and for some reason the second remake is called james bond. Do you know why it's been so long since you've heard new liners like these because someone's been a little too lazy. This is the box of oddities. What's better than delicious food that you can feel good about making this delivered right to your door with zero food waste and deliciousness and also it's delicious. I can't think of anything right off the top of my head. You're talking about hellofresh. Why we love hellofresh. Hellofresh fall is busy. 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Dancing around a fire and reports of unexplained scorch marks found on the ground appearances of ghostly children. Sometimes their shapes can be seen burned into the stone block walls. God the sounds like a fun. Place big thanks. By the way to allison from indiana for sending me this topic idea one. Local legend claims that the tower was built during the civil war and that a woman plunged to her death from the top of the tower. After hearing the news of her husband's death. Another claims that this is a place for those involved with the occult and unholy works to practice their dark magic the fifty six foot high stone tower called by the community the witches tower or sometimes frankenstein's tower was built to provide views of the community country club by the national youth administration from stone salvaged from buildings condemned by the city which i feel like salvaged stone in itself can carry with it some concepts of energy. That might have come from those buildings anyway. It's kind of like the intelligent haunting versus residual haunting right where they say residual haunting tend to take place where there's a lot of organic matter whether it stone or wood and that the image when it happened somehow was recorded on that much like audio is recorded on carbon coated recording tape. The walls are more than three feet thick in some places according to a nineteen forty one journal herald story marking the completion of the project inside. Fifty stone steps spiraled to the lookout platform that offered views for fifteen miles and reportedly there was a metal gate that stood at the entrance. The tower was completed in nineteen forty one in what is now called hills and dales metro park during the nineteen sixties. The remote location a lead for a place that vandals could come and general hooligan ary could take place You know people were going there to drink and kids would go to there to like make out and stuff like the moon. Tauern dazed and confused. Yeah i don't remember that but whatever occasionally kids would get in trouble around there too because they would like take shingles from the roof and toss them at passing cars on patterson boulevard below or toss bottles from the windows now. That's you know bad news bears but it certainly not sinister so why this nasty reputation right anyway in nineteen sixty seven peggy harveson and her seventeen year old friend. Ronnie stevens were out driving when they saw the tower and they decided they would stop and check it out so would they were investigating the tower and a storm hit and the couple took shelter inside investigators theorized that the couple was walking down the stairway when a lightning bolt hit the tower possibly at the entrances metal gate harm was found dead on the eleventh step of the tower. Peggy did not survive. But stevens though severely burned did live and when help arrived he was absolutely inconsolable. Peggy was buried three days later in nearby calvary cemetery legend has it that after her death visitors found burnt images of her within the tower and no matter how much they would scrub. The images remained kind of lake hiroshima bucks. Tim o. that too yes hiroshima. of course. You know the tonic blast left shadows of people mid. Yeah that's that's much sadder. it's incredibly sad. Bucks tomb on the other. Hand is a whimsical legend from maine about a haunted tombstone from my hometown with a with a ladies leg on it. That just won't go away just won't go away. She's a persistent leg. She indeed she's a witch. I'm not a witch. I'm not so after this took place and people kept saying that they're seeing these kind of ghostly apparitions the town was like okay. Well that's enough of that. I think So they decided that they were going. Close the tower and they boarded up. The door closed the gate but of course people were curious and if their friends said that they saw that shadow on the wall they wanted to see if they could see the shadow as well so people kept breaking into the tower where this bell brooke teenager was found dead so the town was like all right. That's enough is enough. So they used concrete to fill in the doorway so that you cannot get inside now. Even though i have seen some recent pictures from inside the tower. They're still finding a way in. Of course they are those reps scallions. Those wraps galleon urban explorers and though not everyone has found a way to get inside is still a popular attraction for the curious and those that believe that it was not just lightning at work that day bomb bomb bomb. That's right but it really. It was just lightning. Or as william shatner might say and jetro box of oddities. That is really mysterious. So what. I thought too bill bill. Yeah well you're friendly. I got most of my information. From only in your state columbus navigator dayton daily news and dayton local dot com. I love these local legends folklore. That kind of grows up around them like this in in the bucks tomb thing in bucks port pretty much every town has something like that and my friend cuong lives not too far from here so i think that we should go and see it and you know visit with kuang. Oh sure but haunted tower. I right absolutely again. Wanna take a moment to thank those of you who support us have become patrons have joined the order of freak. Some of you have major way to the inner circle. I applaud you for that. Welcome to our four patrons. Donna paul connie and danny. Thanks so much for hanging out with us. If you'd like to join us on patriarch you can do so. It's very simple. go to our website. The box of oddities dot com or just search for us on patriotic. 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Episode #1415: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Episode #1415: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"Okay. Guys. Welcome here to our on core show for today. Thursday, the ninth of may, and we do a couple, of course during the week. And we're looking forward to our Steve Boselli marathon, it'll be a week from this coming Friday the seventeenth which is kind of interesting because I got a rehearsal UCB, and that'll be in the middle of our the first day of our marathons we'll see how that works. I hope you do keep in mind on the twenty fifth of may I'll be at the upright citizens brigade on sunset in Hollywood, California may twenty fifth nine pm get tickets. It's going to be it'll be the the the greatest I think it'll be the greatest live show. Any of you guys? I've ever seen me do away from the radio, but a live show as in, you know, the fill Henry infringe shows we're going to have we're going to have a lot of different aspects. Man, we're going to be reviewing we're gonna take questions from the audience. Okay. That's how how sort of wack. The whole thing's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun. It'll be on may twenty fifth nine pm upright citizens brigade. UCB theater sunset the one on sunset in Hollywood. Okay. Welcome to this encore show and today is going to be from last year one year ago may the ninth of two thousand eighteen those of you watching the video cast will notice this was the beginning of our video cast problems. Are try castor was beginning to crap out. So you're gonna see some kind of choppy stuff going on. However, those of you listening to the audio cast the audio track will be perfectly well taken care of. And we'll be featuring Tom cannon. This is a character. We had who owned a health the health, juice wagon, and he visits are showed. He makes me a juice drink. But the crew finds out the Tom was sleeping with a customer and almost got killed by her husband also Senator Orrin Hatch on whether or not he actually thinks Trump's a good person. I don't know how that's gonna roll out. But that was a part of the show one year ago today, and that will be a part of the show right now. Now, we got Tomcat and coming in because guess what going to be drinking at a health shake is that it was going to make Celtics. It's exactly what he's going to do. And we're still now is the famous again, we'll over what Tom how are you? Go ahead and have a seat. Thank you for bringing it here. Now, what you've been doing Thompson? So we live start to you. Well, you don't have tomcats health wagon, and I've been traveling around the area, the Los Angeles area, and and other places other California's San Diego, and I stop at businesses and you make the the different health shakes, and we make different health shakes. And you know, we try to give people a little information on how to get a little bit of energy. And I don't feel utopia earlier in the week. You weren't feeling good. Right. I yeah. I I got out of bed. I took a nap in the afternoon. Get we got a bed win. I got out of bed at the normal time. But but let's let's let's let Phil till the story. Okay. All right. I got out of bed at the normal time. But but then I went about my day by the afternoon. I felt like just terrible. I don't know what it was. No. Let me ask you. Do you drink Hoyer? He drinks hope. Wait a second. Yes. I have. Couple of pops on the weekend. All right. Well, let's sugar that's going into the system and sugar. Of course. It's very difficult. Pardon me. It's very difficult. It's very difficult. Jesus christ. What is that about? There's nothing about you just belching. It sounds like you're having a difficult time. There are you? Having a digestive problem. No. I'm not having just problem. This is fun. Philly come on your program, and I got people busting by nuts. Get cancer that Tommy do you want to start this all over again? Why do I want to turn it over again? I was not busting your nuts. If you must use that. I guess I must use it. Because I came in here in a good booed, and I've got this one over here. Belching, you know, wait a second. You were the one that built. Yes. I built you belched. Well, let's grow up and start this all over again. Okay. Hi, tom. How are you? Hi. What is it? He said. Hi, okay. All right. I'm good filled. Yeah. And so tell me all about Tom cotton's, health wagon. What's wrong? Well, you swallowed in the middle of that. What are you trying to do? You know, what am I trying to do? What let's not go down the road that the rest of the staff goes down, Tom when they nitpick everything. And they point out every mistake. Did he belch DOE is swallowed? Yes. And he said it this way, you know, what I'm saying. All right. I've I've had a tough week. I know you've had a tough week. So let's talk about which going good, which is the Tom Kenton health. Waggin? What did you know? I had a tough week. Well, look, we we filled fill in. And you have I didn't make it public. What happened? Well, I don't really want to make it public. You don't wanna make what public Tom had a run in. Apparently, Tom had a run in with an the personal matter. Right. It's very much a personal matter. Oh, man. I gotta somehow screened the guests on the show. I've got to do something. Well, they're all very emotional. Yeah. But you are right. Yes. I'm all right now. What's the problem? Every guy that I get on the show lately is getting extremely emotional to the point where he almost breaks down. He's got a walk around the studio. Or walk it off or something. I didn't say anything sir to to hurt. You. You can call me Tom fill. It doesn't have to. We don't have to have our relationship disintegrate to the point of where we're I'm served. All right. I saying, you know for whoever brought this up, and I forget who wrote me. Well, I think it was you. The news is out, Tom. We might as well talk about it. No, I came in here to bake a tub, Ken health, shake dot to talk about. Well, tom. It was in one of the smaller papers. What are the solar papers? Right. Yeah. I think Margaret picked it up for a column I had a run in with Tim Griffin. Who's the husband of a woman that you've been seeing? Yes. Yes. And this took place while it took place while I was demonstrating the Tomcat in health Waggin. Shake, and you know, I was I was putting together some subjects who've is put together. Some Texas got Griffin came up in China his small on you. He sweat on me didn't connect or did you hear that? He connected. Yes. I did. I did hear that. Well, that is a dirty stinking live. All right. I don't think we're serving any purpose by who won the fight. Right. But just so the record is clear. The record is clear. He didn't connect. What are we doing for God's sake? Slumped me here supposed to do. Tomcat and health wagon. You guys talk about him begging, some guys wife. Well, yeah. Just the other day, we shut up, please. Thank you feel. I've made a terrible mistake. And I. Oh, you made a terrible mistake. I made a terrible mistake. I'm apologizing for it. I came on your program today to do a health wagon shake to talk about the different flavors. We've got. Right now, your health shake talk about different flavors. Do any of them taste better than your underwear? Because that sounds to me. All right, Phil. Thank you very much. Come on, Tom sit out Tom sit down general Shaw that is beyond the pale elicit general shop, please Tom sit out. I don't know why I should dose, please. They'll say that. Because we've been booked we'd be putting saying we booked this a long time ago. Please Tom, I beg of you. Beg of the. Yes. I do. All right. We just had our we head are we in our video cast interrupted. So now, I've got to deal with that, Tom. We won't talk anymore. It looks like it's going to be to video cast part one and part two. Yeah. There's going to be to video casts part one and part two. Thome of my brother. So you know, you had a run in with someone's husband. Yeah. It happens. Oh, sure. Bene- happened. I now, let's talk about the health shake, okay? Now, I had a smoothie the other day. All right. Let's talk about smoothies though, because tug captains health wagon competes with a smoothie at Phil. When I'd like to make for you. And your crew today is the Tom cotton health shake, and we put in some fruits. We put in some vegetables here. And what do you put what vegetables you put just a tomato? Juicing vegetables are very very good. Here's a carrot and tomato. And I see you're also adding uh some strawberries, yes, there are great buddy fruits and vegetables that go together very well in shake, well, you'll have to prove that to me. I'm very happy to do that. And we put this in here, and that's a couple of Anna's up. That's, but but are high in colors Phil, but this is an energy shake now. And then we use the way powder. I know you use that Phil right away protein powder was recommended to me by a doctor. Let's pretend like fills Mr. health or you know, it's not as through. I'm not saying that he is. But Phil does have some healthy instincts. Yeah. Thank you very much. All right. Phil we want to make sure that people aren't running off and going Lee Phil Hendrie health nut at though what we do is go ahead and pop the button, and I'll big the first Schick for you fills that you're going to do the honor. Got there. Now, how much Poder did you put it there? We'll I put in one scoop of soon as little bit on. The club to help shake on its way porta to this list. Looks very good Tom and put a little peanut butter in there. Just a little bit just to give it a nice Peter de flavor because we love the taste of peanuts. Why are you shaking your head? I'm shaking my head. Yeah. Why are you shaking your head? I know I know what you're saying your head your mind takes vacations of sewer, doesn't it? What does that? I said your mind takes vacation to the Suber. It's all right. That's okay here. Phil boy. That's great. Is it really? Yes. It is was it was very good. The wait. Just a minute was good or wasn't it? It was good. It was now I love how you hit was good. Was it not the best shake you've ever had? Yes. It was the air line had drink, Phil. Tell the truth. I'm telling the truth. No, you're no, you're not. I know you're trying to save by feelings here filled. But I've already had my feelings wiping the floor of a bathroom the bathroom of your show. Thank you very much, Tom. No. It's all right. Well, how was it? Wait a minute. A tom. It's okay. Phil. Thank you. Bye. Go get. No. If he's walking out come on, Tom. I was only kidding fuck. You a man that the microphones open Tom canton's just walked out of our studio, folks, he made a shake. All right. How was it about to tell the truth was? It was a little bit. It was. You know, what I liked it? I'm not I'm not about to play this game. Yeah. I mean, come on. Mr. Henry, I liked it. I'm not about to play this game. It was good. Thank you. Tom was very very good, Tom, Kansas, health wagon will be at the pincer mall, and that's in LA who've Lia and that'll be tomorrow. And then they're moving onto Pasadena to the gladioli mall, and all of these malls. Which by the way, don't have any people anywhere near them because everybody's staying at home and ordering online. All the brick and mortar I hear the brick and mortar moles going out of business. That's you heard. Right. So that's the story was Tom canton had had a relationship with a girl by sue Griffin. And she was a fan of yours. And then she went out see, Tom, and and health wagon, and then they got involved that way. Yeah, they got. Well, that Tom, you know, Astra or full number times. How what does he some kind of celebrity at Medina zone way? Yeah. And so then they went out and this guy, Tom who's her husband, apparently, the he made a big mistake. I mean, Tom canton did made a big mistake of seeing her to her house. He was with her at her own home with the husband coming home. Oh for God. Are you kidding me? Yes. When he got home he could hear it down a hall, and he thought his wife was being assaulted for God's sake. That's the only thing that got the that's the only thing that got. The guy that got him to kick kick down the door and eat such she was being assaulted. But but she wasn't. No. So what she was screaming guts. Wow. Well, Tom, Kevin. Yeah. Yeah. What about the satellite was? No, I just I didn't know he had it in. So all right. So the guy kicks down the door and realizes his wife isn't being assaulted. There's a guy riding her for all she's worth, do you mind? Well, I've just I'm trying to get to it. Yeah. And then he he saw it in. You just, you know, then he grabbed this inequality room was a standing lamp and grabbed it and went after him. So even though well, yeah, I guess I would be. But I mean when he came into the room he said, oh, he saw was the canton's but going up in a year. Did you hear all of this? But yeah, I think he's making up half of this. Where'd you hear it? But I heard it from people who talked to the police bullshit. No. I swear to God when he came into the room Tom captains, but was up in the air. Yes. Yes. And then told you that I'm not about to divulge a source get outta here. Well, okay. You'd have to bring me this guy. Mr. is his name Tom to Tom Griffin time Kenton. He's home so situation. Meet Tom, Ken, Mr. Tom Griffin. Oh, yeah. That's real good. And he came into the room and canton's asses up in the air his ashes in the areas Ridinger for all she's worth was not the direct quote. Yes. And so that's when Griffin this husband grabs the thing of it is like in his fifties. And this guy Griffin. He's in his thirties. And it's in twenty say that again, I did, you know, slow the hell down, bud. It said Tom tens in his fifties. The husband was in his thirties. And woman that come cat and was tagging was in twenty. Can we use something a little bit more respectful than tag? Okay, fucking. Hey, man. Did it on? That's right. All right. That now that you've done that. He's. That's right man because we didn't want to use the word tag. Do you think we're going to be happy with the word with the few see? Would you set out Dickman would hold your nose? Like, it's bleeding feeling it hasn't. So then what else bud? I mean sounds like he's knows deep in it about being, you know, full. Well, well, all right. So, but you heard was that this cat in guy, our friend, Tom Katyn was assaulted by the husband gam- it at a police in rhyme. It can't be sued for alienated pension. What about any salt charges? They've been known for. But no, it don't do it. But there's been no assault charges. Then you didn't even have to hold your nose. No, MR Henry, you know, he said, I barely get touched. Well, they're knocking off William when we're twenty. I ask you questions, so Tom, canton, and this young lady doubt. Did you have this in your column? I had in my call him everything that bugs talking about here, except for this idea that they asked was up in the air, or whatever you say. All right, the but was up in the no one told me about that no-one said Mr. Griffin entered the bedroom and saw catton's acid the air. Well, one can well imagine if I think about it is. Who would ever guess that Catton was some lowlife me? All right Jesus. World-famous Phil Hendrie show and filling every show dot com here on this. What are we going here man Wednesday? All right, Orrin Hatch is the United States Senator from Utah. We have him on our show next on the Phil Hendrie show. You gotta be kidding me. Let's find out and see if I am kidding. 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And we're going to be talking in this segment with Senator Orrin Hatch, which is a very exciting yet. Good job, bud. Thank you Senator Orrin Hatch is made some comments recently that some people have thought controversial John McCain, the Senator from Arizona who's very very ill with brain cancer. And he has said that he would not like to see Donald Trump at his funeral. I think that were they talking about the funeral. I hope they work because you just said they were well, why would he talk about that? Join McCain's not even passed on yet. I mean that was the information. I got from bud. Do what he was. They don't want to see him at the funeral. He doesn't wanna see Don Donald Trump at the funeral. That's correct yet. So or hats hats on line two here on newsmaker line. And he has said that he. He's. No five that wrong thing. All right. Senator hatch. How are you, sir? Good to have you on the program. How are you good Senator had tower, you wonderful and let me say, Phil. I haven't had the opportunity to be on your program. But this is an exciting moment for me only because I really do radio interviews, though, they upon cast that they have podcast this center podcast. But it gives me an opportunity to reach out to constituency. I don't think I I talk all that often too in those are, oh, you know, maybe younger more technically savvy groups, let's get right to it. Here. Senator hatch. Did you say that this was a ridiculous thing that Senator McCain would keep the president from his funeral? I still do. I don't I don't see any point in it. And I hope that that's being communicated to Senator McCain. Now, why why do why do you think that a man who should be able to control who comes to his funeral who doesn't why do you think he doesn't have? Right to to say that. I don't think I said he didn't have the right? But I am saying that I think it's a ridiculous notion that you wouldn't invite the president of the United States. Look, Donald Trump is a good, man. He is a man you you think he's a good, man. Sure. He is sure he is at least I want you to believe that. I believe that. He is. I personally don't think that he is. You don't think he is? No, no, no. I don't think he is. But for the purposes of public consumption, I'm going to say that he's a good, man. And that that Senator McCain should invite him to his funeral. Now. You made a point early into good point. That Senator McCain your funeral is the most significant event of your life beyond birth and certainly should be of the pick. And choose who's going to be at your funeral. If you can, but I'm not sensitive to that. Because I'm nowhere near dying. I'm alive, and I hope to stay alive for another eighty years old. I am. So I don't have any real sensitivity to funerals and who gets invited. Nobody wants to talk about that stuff that I mean, what would you say that again? But for public consumption, I want people to feel especially President Trump that I am in his corner that I support him a hundred percent, okay. Just like you did with the that that the national park of the state park thing. Right. No one even remembers what that was. But I I certainly remember, and I did back him up on that Senator Orrin Hatch with us on on President Trump not being invited to John McCain's funeral. That's what we think is about. We could be wrong. The code was that he didn't want Trump bear. I don't know. Whether it's about a funeral or whether it is his cremation. I, you know, let's not make as more of a joke than it already. Is if you don't mind us, I'm Margaret gray. How are you? I'm fine. Margaret, I've heard you on the radio before let's discuss Shelby, a Senator hatch. When you admit to the fact that you want President Trump to notice. That you support him. Dude, you really, yes. Of course, I do because I don't have any personal beliefs one way or the other when it comes to the kind of ally the underhanded stuff to the president does all I know he's he's a Republican, and I need to be in his corner. This what I've done my whole career. I it's one of the reasons why I'm venerated elder statesman of the Senate. And it's also one of the reasons why I'm one of the duller creeps, you, you know, I have to admit. If the shoe fits while I got to admit it. You know, I wanted to Dolor creeps that had been in the Senate because I don't really I don't stand out. I don't push my weight around. I don't do anything all that. Controversial. And I argue with liberals because that's good play. You had an argument with Sean Brown. I think about insurance or something. Oh, he started in with working man working class. And I don't like to get in those discussions because I don't understand what any any. But really mean, I do understand the rancher. I understand the big the big ranch. That's what I understand. And so I represent the rancher and I represented to the best of my ability. So you just represent big business. No, these are these are people who own homes, but it's the only business that I'm familiar with you know, in the smaller businesses people needing insurance struggling businessman's this. Ball man, or the small woman who's starting out in business. I don't understand any of that. And the less. I talk about it the better because it starts to remind me myself. I if you if truth be told, you know, well, because I have never succeeded doing anything other than sitting here on my ass and being a Senator now Donald Trump is a guy who notices, and I got that before any of these other guys did. So when I say something about Donald Trump, it's going to be positive, and I want him to remember that. And remember that I said it. You're going to be leaving the Senate soon. Aren't you know, that made some people at that? Let me let me what do you think about Mitt Romney coming out of retirement? I don't think about it at all. It's not very interesting. It's again, we get into that area that we called dullsville. It just no one cares. Mitt Romney doesn't excite anyone's imagination. He doesn't even excite my imagination. And and I'm I've been sitting here for forty years waiting for something to come along and be interesting, and it almost happened with the election of Donald Trump until I realized how easy he wants to play. What do you mean by that? What I what do? I mean by what what do you mean by heat and being easy to play? You do you think he's an idiot Ono? I don't think you get. He's just very easy. I know what he does. He manipulates people. He plays people. I do the same thing. So when I have an opportunity to back him up until why don't you invite the president? He's a good, man. Okay. I know you took exception to that film. But yeah, I did take exception to that only from the standpoint of the this man has done so much in his personal life of a controversial nature. How do you know? He's a good, man. I don't know. He's a good, man. But I said he's a good, man. That's all you need to say. Who's gonna ask me? What I mean by that? It's day three after he said that no one's Ashby anything. So I'm playing my cards, right? I'm very excited over the fact that I haven't made a misstep here that everything's right down. And I've said everything right down the middle high and tight and there been three swings. Three MRs strike, one strike to strike three one out bottom of the first. So the games just beginning. Games just beginning fell. And I will be a just as happy as you and anybody else when it ends because it's it can't be all that thrilling. But I do believe that Donald Trump's the guy you gotta keep on good side. This, you know, Trump if it turns out, he's a real scumbag, and there you were saying he's a good, man. And the public turns around and looks at you and says what made your judgement so bad high gonna feel then that the public has had how many years the public had how many years figure out that? I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, I'm Orrin Hatch. The name alone gives you an idea as to just how I came into this world. Okay. Pretty good. Thank you. So for me. I I believe that I've been able to play this. What was your question? Never never mind. A Senator hatch will let you go and business used to be called as you like the them. But we just decided to bring you on for this interview. So Donald Trump is a moron. I know. I never said that I said you have to say the right things. All right. So you're lying. I'm lying about. What that he's a good, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. I'm of course, I'm lying. But you didn't ask me what I was lying or not, you know, the pro here's the thing that you're right about the press hasn't really asked you about what you meant by. He's a good man have even asked you. Why it is you think that he ought to be McCain's funeral not that? I remember they might they might have. But I don't remember anybody. The press goes in one ear and out the other is you walk into your car. You're going to another meeting or you're off to to meet somebody, and they're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah asked hat Senate hat summit? Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember any of this stuff. I say half the things I say are blatant bald-faced faced lies the other half of the things. I never mind Orrin Hatch Senator from Utah special guest here on the world famous. Phil Hendrie show Orrin Hatch. Groping Phil Hendrie show from the Pacific in southern California. Well, bet was I don't know that was like all the other as you like to hear them. 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Shayna & Elisa

True Crime Fan Club Podcast

28:58 min | 2 years ago

Shayna & Elisa

"If you love true crime. You wanna miss the true crime podcast festival on July thirteenth two thousand nineteen. And downtown Chicago, you'll get to see some of the biggest names in podcasting. There are over eighty true crime podcasters coming including the vanished. True crime obsessed. Crime writers on the full line the generation Y Canadian true crime already gone misconduct. True crime fan club, the apex in the abyss crime in precedents. The trail went cold and many more. This is a full day event. And it gives you a chance to meet your favorite podcasters in a large scale meet and greet with several panel discussions and live uploads to to find out more and joined the almost four hundred people who have bought tickets head to true crime podcast festival dot com. Or look for it on social media. We can't wait to see you there. Before we begin the show. I wanted to update you on a few changes to the true crime fan club patriot beginning in mid main. I will be launching a patron only podcast. Call true crime fan club prime patrons at the ten dollar level will have access to this new podcast and be able to pick show topics that I wouldn't normally cover on the main show for patrons at the two to five dollar level. You will receive access to add free episodes and bonus patron only content. There is of course, no obligation to join. But I wanted to let you know about the update so head to patriot dot com slash TC pod. To learn more explicit content is found in this episode. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to the true crime fan podcast. I'm your host Laney, according to child help dot org. An average of five children day died due to child abuse. And. Glenn? There are an average of three million reported cases of abuse annually. Eighty percent of child maltreatment fatalities involve at least one parent child. Now treatment fatalities are undercounted by fifty percent or more often the system can fail a child by allowing them to return home to an abusive environment. All too frequently children are killed by their caregivers. An addition to the usual content WARNING, PLEASE be aware that today's episode contains crimes against children and is particularly brutal. Listener discretion is advised. Okay. Onto the show. Twenty eighth. Nineteen ninety four was shayna Bryant's fourth birthday, what should have been a happy time for this little girl was marred with pain anger tragedy and automate -ly death around seven thirty pm that night officer Michael Kelly responded to a nine one one call in the Bronx for child who had an asthma attack. When he arrived at the apartment, he saw Shane Briant lying on her back on the kitchen table. She was dressed in a T shirt and shorts. The child was unresponsive. She was covered in bruises including one tremendous bruise on her forehead and had cigarette burns on her arms. Shayna had apparently been beaten to death emergency medical personnel were present on the scene as well. As detective Thomas Murray, Frank Catton of the crime scene unit. Also reported the father. Other orlando. Bryant was present in the apartment officers observed blood throughout the apartment on walls bads, and in the bathtub human feces was on the bathroom floor. The blood was concentrated in one bedroom in the back of the apartment Sheena lived in the apartment with her parents Orlando and Sharon Bryant, she had four siblings. Sister, Alana joy, and Sharon and brother, remind emergency responders took joy to the hospital on the night of Schinas death due to a swollen lip a severely burned hand and bruises on her face, Ellen Borakove spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office reported that the cause of death was child abuse syndrome. The injury suffered by shayna had been sustained over time. She had cigarette burns that were healing as well as other injuries that were in various stages of healing. She also had a Bruce Hart and Br. Who's patriots? The medical examiner testified that the Bruce pancreas was at least two days old there were numerous scars and abrasions on her torso. And on her legs that appeared to be fingernail, scratches. She appeared to have been previously choked. There were also what appeared to be ligature marks on China's ankles and wrists suggesting she had been restrained and had struggled against those restraints injuries to Shane his genitals. And buttocks seem to point to her being kicked slapped or punched in those areas. The medical examiner also found several abrasions in her mouth and notice that some of her teeth had been knocked out there were two areas of bleeding on her scalp that indicated shayna had suffered blunt force trauma to her head at the time of her death. The autopsy also revealed the her distant abdomen and low body weight the she was severely malnourished, which prevented her body from being. Able to heal itself. Like it. Ordinarily, should Shane is father Orlando was arrested shortly after the police arrived at the apartment Charene had led the apartment with the other children and went to a friend's house shortly after nine one one had been called. She was located the next morning and arrested most of their neighbors as well. As their minister thought, sure rain was a good mother. Although she seemed overwhelmed at times the minister told reporters he had just seen Orlando shortly before Shane is death. And he said he had been too busy to come to church lately. The two older children had been at church the day before Shane is death. They had attended with the knee Bor. And the minister said they looked fine as the investigation progressed. It was discovered that Charene Bryant had lost custody of the children twice before because of her cocaine use three of her children had been born with cocaine in their system. Orlando Brian sought and was awarded custody of the children in nineteen ninety. However, the family courts and city were apparently not aware that Orlando. Bryant had served time for a salt and drug distribution in nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty five Sheila, Jack, a spokesperson for the human resources administration said that when a parent applies for custody of their child who is in foster care. The only check to see if there were complaints of abuse or neglect and not the parents criminal record only the human resources administration also called the HRA manages child, welfare, New York state law, prohibits access to criminal records for custody cases. This case was high profile as mayor Rudy Giuliani became involved after the death of Shelagh Bryant, he requested more of a Hammonds. The HRA Commissioner come to his office to discuss this death and ask for thorough investigation of the handling of this case by the HR. A the mayor said the HR a had known about aspects of the case since nineteen eighty seven mayor Guiliani took a different approach to these cases than his predecessor David Dinkins who never discussed child abuse investigations during Dinkins time in office. The HRA would not discuss child abuse cases, citing confidentiality laws mayor Giuliani's office took the stance that while he respected the confidentiality laws. He wanted transparency regarding the city's role the three oldest children had attended daycare at friendship church until may before Schinas death until daycare workers discuss some. Concerns about the kids with their parents. Sharon and Orlando Brian's response was to remove the children Reverend Thomson never saw signs of abuse on the children one of the Bryans. Neighbors Sylvia free said that she would look after the Bryant children occasionally when Sharon had run to the store during those short periods of time with the children. She never had any indication that anything was wrong. Another neighbor Ginette Duggan's said, the children were always neat and clean. And then she often took turns walking the children to school with Sharon the surviving. Children told detectives at the night Shane died. The beating started and reminds room Orlando had beaten shayna and reminds room, then Orlando and Sharon both hit and kicked shayna in the bathroom. Sheena allegedly took a drink out of the toilet at some point in the night. Which incensed our parents, even more. The beating then moved into the hallway where shayna soiled herself as she cried Orlando put her on the couch, but then moved her to the kitchen table, joy pretended, not to know what had happened and Asher rain who toll joy to mind her own business. So the same would happen to her the nine one one call was made, and then she arraign Leifer her sister's house, the children also told the detectives at their parents often tie them to a chair and leave them there on night. But it was usually just shayna that this happened to detectives discover that the children in the Bryant household were given a terrible choice a choice between getting a beating or going without food for two days. This was what sparked the deadly beating of shayna she had misbehaved in some way, and one of the parents caught her sipping water out of the toilet. It is not entirely clear which parent caught. Her since they each pointed the finger at each other. There was no food in the refrigerator and family court. The oldest girl said that the parents had poured boiling water on shayna and scalded her head the week before Sharon went to trial. Orlando pleaded guilty to second degree murder in order not to face. I agree. Murder charges. He received eighteen years to life when Orlando pled guilty. He admitted that on at least four occasions insuring had tied shayna to a chair until she was asleep to keep her from rubbing the bump on her forehead. He pointed the finger at Charene, stating the CI was abusive to shayna, and that she would burn her what cigarettes hit her and even told all the children that she hated them during Charene trial. The three oldest children testified. We're children were once not used in the courtroom. Because people believe their memories were faulty, and they could not separate the. Truth from lies. They were now being used more and more as it can be credible. Witnesses Daniel arm ash, senior Turney for the National Center for prosecution of child abuse Alexandria, Virginia set an interview children by and large have as much credibility as any adult to determine the competency of juveniles New York. Judges have to interview them away from juries judge Joseph fish did this in the Sharon Bryant case and also refused to allow them to be questioned via close circuit television. This is sometimes done a legend -ly to protect the children, but more often than not to lessen the emotional impact of having the children testify against their mother in the same courtroom Alon to nine joy, seven and Remond eight who went by the nickname rocky had not seen their mothers and Shane's death Alana enjoy were wearing beige Lynn. Addresses and smiled and waved at their mother when they saw her she blew them. Kisses back. Rocky was wearing a green sports coat. That was a few sizes too big and had a Star Trek action figure in his hand. He waggled his finger separately at his mother. And she waved back the same way the kisses and waves stopped. However wants a children's started their testimony to said, she watched her mother burn the bottom of her sister. Joyce feet with a curling iron just months before Shane as death in nineteen ninety three before Joyce birthday their parents push joy onto a wall which caused her to go blind in one I Sharon then tied to the chair. And then burned her hand by rolling a hot curler back and forth on her hand. Orlando often took joy to the bathroom and beat her joy was beaten with a belt and burned on the neck with cigarettes and on the arm with a clothes iron. There was also a time sharing threaten to cut Joyce tongue out while holding a knife. Shirring never took the children to the doctor. Although one time one of the children was seen by Dr for their burns, one of the girls told the doctor the burns were an accident while they tried to make a cake for Sharon Alanya said that her mother always told shayna she hated her and that she was ugly Sharon's defense attorney Ascalon to if she loved her daddy and her mommy, and she gave allowed. Yes. And was told she could step down. But instead started sobbing rocky testified that he had seen his daddy. And mommy, heading assists shayna when she was drinking water from the toilet. When asked about his father heading his mother in the face. He said he had seen it happen. But only about twice even though their mother never sought medical treatment for her children's wounds. She did seek treatment for her own injuries. When Orlando assaulted her Orlando had beaten her bad enough to cause broken teeth, broken ribs, and even broken vertebrae Charene testified that Orlando had used his hands feet and even a Billy club hangar and shoes to beat her. She saw a doctor after a broken nose and had our teeth capped, which broke Orlando is house rule that family business stayed in the family. He had punched her in the mouth because she had become too independent by joining a methadone program. Bryant testified that in her world a man heading a woman was just a normal way of life. So she never reported it to police she did feel unable to stop him. But she was aware of an ex party order of protection and had one against a man she had lift with previously. According to Charene, Orlando would beat her or one of the children in the bathroom. So that the others could not see what was. Going on. She also said though, that she would tell Orlando to stop beating the children for fear. The neighbors would hear Sharon said that Orlando was a drug user who abused heroin and cocaine and got her addicted to both substances Sharon denied that. She was the one who abused her children claiming that Orlando abused the children. She stated that she had never seen any of the children, get burned. But did admit that she did punish joy for lying by speaking her with a hand or belt? She also admitted she had also used a belt on her other children. Sharon once again blamed Orlando stating that he burned the kids with cigarettes. Although she never saw it happen. And he was not a smoker in the closing arguments Arnold, chronic Brian's. Attorney claim that joy had a history of lying and the oldest daughter Alana had holes in her memories. He also said that rocky was to fidgety and nervous to be a rely. Liable witness. He claimed that the children were not reliable because they had been spoon fed what to say by the prosecutors, although he had been given the same access to the children prosecutor Alvin yearwood painted Bryant as a bad mother who was only worried about herself comfort and safety. He called her a bad mother and constantly harped on her while questioning for not showing any emotion year would also attacked chronics comments about the children needing punishment for lying what lie could be so agrees. You would burn them. What cigarettes your would asked in his closing arguments on the tenth of may nineteen ninety six A. Bronx jury convicted Charene Bryant of second degree murder. Prosecutor Alvin Yearwood's said that Bronx juries do do the right thing. Judge Joseph fish claim that this was the most draining trial. He had ever witnessed he wished everyone. One a happy mother's day before leaving the courtroom. I'm going to pas a case right here. So you can hear a word from our sponsor. Magellan TV is a new type of documentary. Streaming provider determined to bring you the fines documentaries from around the globe. New programs are added on a weekly basis, and you're faves can be watched anytime anywhere on your television, laptop or mobile device, and I have watched them on all of this platform. So I can attest that that is true feature. John res- include true crime history. Science space end nature. My favorite thus far has been the crime and mystery genre. Now last week. I told you about a show Ed finished, and I just started a new documentary called I file which is a documentary delving into the mind of a pedophile. I am so glad that Magellan TV makes their content super acceptable because I could not stop watching this documentary. The content was amazing this collection of documentaries evokes curiosity emotion and fear about some of the darkest mysteries of all times. Explore the human and social dimension. Of crime and some of the most intriguing true crime documentaries produced to start your exclusive to month free trial today. Go to Magellan TV dot com slash true crime fan club. That's Magellan TV dot com slash true. Crime fan club to start your two month free trial today. Links will be in the show notes. Another highly publicized case occurred in New York City approximately eighteen months after shayna was murdered. This death actually created change in the child welfare system because the mother and child were well known to the system just as for rain Bryant and her children had been on ov- in between second nineteen ninety five around nine twenty four AM. A call was placed reporting a small girl had quit breathing emergency services, including police firefighters and paramedics responded to an apartment at the Rutgers house housing project and lower Manhattan. When a Lisa is scattered though was pulled from her bed responders notice she was covered and deep red spots. They could not determine if they were. Well, it's or cigarette burns, she had severe bruising all over her body in particular. She had a large one on her right kidney as. As well. As bruising around her temples the little finger of her right hand was broken. And the bone was through the skin. There were also severe injuries to her genitals. Michael Brown with New York City fire department started CPR, but it was too late. Lieutenant Luiz Gonzalez of the New York police department said in my twenty two years of service. This is the worst case of child abuse. I have ever seen a Lisa was born in nineteen eighty nine to gussie scandal, a Cuban immigrant, and I'll we the Volpi's a Puerto Rican emigrant the two had met at a homeless shelter where Lopez lived after being a victim from the apartment. She shared with her partner at the time. She had two children with this man escaped though, cleaned up and served food at the shelter. The two got together, but escaped though broke things off when he realized that Lopez was addicted to crack cocaine. When a Lisa was porn addicted to crack social workers took her away from Lopez and gave her to scare though Gus was not sure how to be a parent. So he took parenting classes talk to family members. And just try to be the best father. He could be he doted on the little girl and treated her like a Princess, he put her in the Brooklyn YMCA Montessori day school rented a banquet hall for her baptism and took the time to part her hair in a perfectly straight line every day. He did his best to keep Lopez away from Lisa but unfortunately, Lopez entered drug rehab, married. Carlos Lopez November nineteen ninety one and was able to show social services that her life was now on the street in narrow just enough to get vegetation every other weekend. A Lisa's father an teachers tried to tell social workers at the child returned from these visits upset and Bruce. Used one family friend told social workers at a Lisa with throw up when she returned home and refused to go to the bathroom. A Lisa herself told social workers that her mother hit her a year later the visits were allowed to continue. But only what the condition that her mother not hit or slap a Lisa tragedy. Soon struck however in may nineteen ninety four Gus went to the hospital with bad lungs, which turned out to be lung cancer. He died on may twenty six her mother won temporary custody, even though she had no job. Her husband had been sent to prison for stopping her seventeen times with a pocket knife and she had five other children. The stabbing took place on a weekend. When a Lisa was at the house numerous people wrote letters trying to stop this custody move, Elsa Ghani is a cousin of Gus is. Went to court trying to get custody of Lisa the head of the Montessori school wrote judge Phoebe Greenbaum to show support of status and to discuss the abuse Prince, Michael of Greece who had become enchanted with the Lisa at the Montessori even wrote letters in support of gutty sought his however Greenbaum was of the old school mentality that favored biological family staying together, making matters worse. Ghani Sarah's did not have the money to hire legal counsel Prince Michael offered to pay tuition at the Montessori school. But Lopez refused and put a Lisa in a public school very quickly at Lisa's refusal to play with other children her uneven gait, and then an abrasion on her head lead, teachers and officials at the school to contact social workers and report suspected abuse. Unfortunately, the social services agency refused to. Instigate stating there was not enough evidence to proceed Lopez withdrew alita from the school. A Lisa was not enrolled in another school. And instead was kept locked in her room. Most of the time she was not allowed to watch TV good not eat with the other children and was not allowed to use the bathroom, she either urinated or defecated in her bed or USA chamber pot in her bedroom that overflowed so badly it leaked into the apartment below Lopez. Also forced to Lisa to eat her own excrement. Neighbors in the building heard, the shouts and cries. But thought it was just their way of disciplining kids. So they didn't say anything the other five children where not targets of abuse. Lopez actually said that Lisa was possessed by the devil her brother and sister, both believed this. So the never question how Lopez treated her daughter the abuse of Lisa. Was deep and twisted. One time. Lopez allegedly mopped the floor with the Lisa's head two days before Lisa's death. Her mother slammed her head into a concrete wall in the apartment. The autopsy revealed that Lisa died from a brain hemorrhage due to a blow to the head. She did not want her talk after this incident. And it is believed. She died the next day, although it was two days before Lopez contacted authorities. She called her sister and told her that Lisa was lying on the bed. Drooling the injuries to our genitals or reportedly caused by a hairbrush that Lopez used to torture. Lisa. Just days before her death. A Lisa attended a birthday party in their building. Her mother was present at the party a nine year old named Eric approach to Lisa and asked if she wanted to dance Eliza was actually a good Murang'a dancer having been taught by teachers aid bar persimmons at the Montessori school. But on this night, she was moving stiffly slowly awkwardly Eric said, he must have danced at least five dances with her before going off to get some cake. He did not realize Lisa was behind him until he suddenly saw her and she got her fingers got in the door. A Lisa's mother. Tried to get him to go into the bathroom with her tell her wash Lisa's fingers off. But then once in the bathroom her mother tried to get him to molest little girl. This shook him to the core, and he left immediately. The mother was indicted, she pled guilty on sex. Degree murder charges with the understanding that she would get out and fifteen years, but she has not been released after Lisa's duck the community raise money for her funeral approximately four hundred mourners gathered to pay their respects to the beautiful little girl who did not get a chance to live her life to its fullest the services were officiated. By Reverend Yanni Augusta. Nellie who said at Lisa had not been murdered by her mother alone. But by the silence of many to the neglect of child welfare institutions and the moral mediocrity that his intoxicated our neighborhoods in the aftermath of the funeral. Elisa's law was passed this law holds a child welfare agency of New York City and the administration of children's services publicly accountable for its performance. Thank you for listening. If you enjoy the Sepah sewed, please be sure to leave us a positive review on apple podcast or your podcast player of choice. Really does help us out. 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Mini-Ep 228: Seasons of Life

Forever35

44:34 min | 2 months ago

Mini-Ep 228: Seasons of Life

"Dory hello hello cave five. This is a podcast about the things you do to take care of ourselves. And i'm kate spencer and i'm Freer and look. We're not experts. Now we're not. We are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums we do. This is a mini episode. Where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts in answer your questions to the best of our ability and please remember. We're not experts. Were podcast hosts and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from medical and or mental health professional as needed. And we really love to hear from you. If you would like to reach us you can leave us a voicemail or a text message. Seven eight one five nine one zero three nine zero and you can email us or send us a voice memo at thirty thirty-five podcast at g mail dot com and please do visit our website. Feber thirty podcasts. Dot com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. You can follow us on twitter. Thirty five pod on instagram at number three five podcast and join the feber thirty-five facebook group at facebook dot com slash groups slash. Rubber thirty podcast. The password over there is serums and just a reminder that you can sign up for the first thirty five podcast newsletter for over thirty five podcast dot com slash newsletter kate. Spencer welcome back to the show feels good to be back at. It felt good to be away. I'm not gonna lie yet. I enjoyed the mental break For a week of not thinking work. Yeah it was really nice. Yeah i hear that But i am. I am happy to be back. I'm not even quite sure where to begin you know. He traveled for fourteen hours and took two different flights that each required me to like. Get my bag. I mean it was like just a long day. Dropped my kids off at my in-laws and then flew flew with them to my in laws where they live. And then i flew across the country by myself so because my children are having a little one on one grandparent time and i was pretty wiped out after my travel today but i will say i woke up and my husband just brought me coffee with my cream in it. Just how. I like. It just like dropped it on my bedside table Okay all right. You are impish nece. My you know what degree i was gone for. Six weeks and at the longest. I think i've really kind of just been away for my own home in a while and it was really. It was stressful. It was amazing to be with my family. It was energizing. It was exhausting. It was like all the things you know it was. It was a lot. But i i was so happy to spend time with my family just because i hadn't seen so many of them in two years to cove it and get to be in new hampshire. Which is like my sal. My soul home Which is where. My family is from swam in lake water. I kayaked canoed. Communed with lunes. Lunes are pretty amazing dory. You're a loon. I don't know if i've ever seen a loon ira l. I was going to say in person but like it's like they're not people they're not they're they're greater than people. There's just like anthony really armagh justic. I also will tell you that. I traveled with so many care products. That oh i don't know what i was thinking. I went a little bonkers. You brought a lot or you purchase some while you're away okay. I bought but well all. I purchased one thing okay. Was ailing rose. Hydrosol toner spray from a very small local farm. Then i received a couple of items. Because you you very generously included tasha products as part of your book lunch for piano with your book launch and i received touch products but i also i traveled with to cleansers. Like what was what was doing. What did i do that. I'm why did i think i need to cleansers. You know it's funny. Because i i feel like i. I went away for less time than you. Just little under two weeks. And i i also felt like i packed. Sort of randomly. Like i kind of forgotten how to pack so i feel you on this. It was very weird. I brought my whole hair dry. I think because. I knew i had to do some zooms for your book. I was like all need to dry my hair and make myself look nice but then it was so hot i couldn't rise up. Just i've i find that like i bring to many of some category of thing whether it's like skin care or whatever or shoes and then like not enough of something else other. Yes i do this too. I will say. I did want to give a shout out to one product that i was really glad i brought Which was clearer skin caroline. I really love they. Have this a really amazing mask called supreme seed. It's one of the only face. Max masks that i've used and really been like. Oh this works. And i brought it with me because i did feel like travel and the change of weather and and just the elements might kind of stress. My skin out in this was something. I used a few times while i was away that i was really happy. I brought its kluwer's supreme seed delicate purification mask. It's one of my. Become one of my favorite face masks. So i know that's like very excessive to bring a mask with you but i is it though i i did bring pring to cleansers. I mean what again i had to. I brought an oil. I brought like a variety of moisturizers. So anyway my bag was so heavy was fifty six pounds. When i went to check it. My gosh so is overweight. Jet part and part of the problem was because i probably had about fifteen pounds of skincare. So did you take some stuff out and putting your hair on your just hate the overweight. No i did the like embarrassing to me. Maneuvering where you have to open up your luggage of the airports i. Yeah and you're like revealing the inside of your body to people where it's like. Oh this is how i pack and yet here's my baby blanket that i'm now taking out and putting back you know. It's just a lot. But i'm really happy to be home and i always feel it coming. Back is such a nicer reset. You know like just to get back into your routines is just feels really Great so i'm happy to be home how we're happy to have you back you will you. I have to give a shout out to you. Know guest host podcast producer and editor. Sami who neo. Who house sit and dog sat for me while i was away and took such amazing care of lucy. The dog that i mean my husband were joking the whole time that like lucy was going to be disappointed when we got back. Sammy is such a leasing giver. And like there's nothing quite like knowing that your home in your pets are in good cares. That was just very basically what i'm saying. Is that samya the best person to walk the earth but he already that is amazing and they left their soap in my shower. So i'm gonna test out a new product. Just kidding samya won't use your i mean finder's keeper i mean look you leave it i get. It is how it works story. I did miss you. how are you doing. What's going on over there. Are we ever gonna see each other again in person. We should make a date we should. We should okay Okay i i've gotten into a sort of like panic recently about our house being so cluttered and i in night realize this has been ongoing. Seem for like three years. Hutton's yeah it's just an it's like an ongoing like it's something that i've never successfully been able to wrangle concord deal with for any extended period of time. It is an ongoing problem for me. And it's just it's like it's starting to just feel really impressive. I feel like i go in cycles with this. Like sometimes i can just sort of ignore it which is probably bad which is probably why it is perpetuating is perpetuating quiet. Yeah is it perpetuates it perpetuates and then all of a sudden i'm like oh my god there's so much stuff and i'm at that point right now where i feel like. I'm getting crushed by all the stuff in our house. Lately have also been lake worried that it kind of sets a bad example for henry now like this is interesting slobs and i feel like you know he like loves things to be put away and cleanliness and his he has a bedroom and a playroom and those are the cleanest rooms in the house. Like i i am like obsessive bookkeeping his playroom and his bedroom clean and tidy so like nothing is out of place. Everything is always put away at the end of the day and that is just not the case for the rest of the house and like occasionally he will take it upon himself to put things away or clean are the rest. And i'm like. Oh my god i'm so sorry like your parents suck and hold on wait. I need to stop you. You've called yourself slobs. And now you've also declared you suck. And i need you to stop the negative self-talk way back in kate. That's what i always say to you. I know but i. I really think like that is the first step in kind of addressing these feelings and situations is that you need to stop putting yourself down here and i say this i love i know you do. It's just like i'm real. I'm truly like At a loss. Here however i have been trying to get things cleaned up and like in order and i've thrown out a lot of stuff and i'm donating ivanhoe bag of stuff to donate and i brought some other stuff to donate last week and i've been selling some stuff like in local you know. Buy sell trade groups but it's also kind of you know like when you if you have an organizer come and in the middle of it just looks like a thousand times worse because everything is sort of out. And that's how part of my house looks now like packing. Move that feeling of like you're in the middle of it and yeah. It's a halfway between being organized and not being organized. But in the meantime like looks horrible and also i'm like i don't know where to put a lot of this stuff like and maybe i feel like there's also a school of thought where it's like if you don't know where to put something like you shouldn't own it and so maybe that is like maybe that's a rule that i need to kind of adopt but i don't know man. I think it's worth exploring this a deeper not a podcast. But maybe like in your own life. Because i do think i don't. I don't think clutter is necessarily a manifestation of being a quote unquote slob. I really don't. I think it's such a it's like we. We're like conditioned to believe that we should know how to clean and organiz and those are not for many of us skills that we've ever been taught like even if a parent models that like. My mom was pretty organized. But i'm just fucking. I can't do it so i think we have to cut ourselves slack on this one and really begin to like start from the beginning. You know like really start from. I don't know. I totally hear you. And like i do agree that i should kinda like give myself more grace and treat myself with more kindness but like i also know that i i do find it like calming when my house is clean and do things are in order and i remember like i remember and i talked about this in my book a little bit like after i broke up with my ex-boyfriend and i moved into a sublet. Like i didn't have a lot of stuff with me very calming to just like i don't know and that's what i that's the that's the state of being that. I wanna get to like. I want to look around at feel calmed in my home. Not stressed out yet so much a judgment. It's more of lake. How i know it makes me feel and maybe that's wrapped up in the judgment but lake. You know i do know. And i do hear you. That's something i've really worked on keeping home kind of tidy. Because i also feel that way like i cleaned off my dresser right before i left it was covered in so much stuff and when i got home the other day i was like oh like just looking at it was really relaxing because i sit in bed stare at it. As opposed to like sitting in bed staring like stacks of papers and mass lip bombs and et cetera et cetera. Yeah well i support you dorie. Just i just want you to treat yourself with a little bit of love. Thank you. I appreciate that. Well how should we take a little break then here for some listeners. Yeah it's my favorite part of the day listener time. Okay we'll be right back okay. We have returned. And you're going to kick things off with a voicemail from a listener with a prod wreck. Hello this is one. That i haven't heard really anybody's have much about that. I don't know the thing is The long listener. who is looking for. Are you the honor. Hydration you get pedri positively they say again watch all you want to run overnight. 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Yeah if you if you need if you're if you're like cracked heels or you know they've really nice really lovely for good handcream too so head to toe All right here is an email high. Came dory have a random question for you about an old high school slash college crush. I was a late bloomer. I see you dorie. I see you listener and was terrified of boys. Authored high school so in one of the most popular boys in my class liked me is through the for loop. He tried to date me even into freshman year of college. But i was so nervous. Pretty much pushed him away. The sad thing was. I liked him so much to the point where i still get those high school crush butterflies when i think about him. I don't still have feelings for him. I'm super happily. Married with two kids. And i and i am obsessed with sweet family but i recently saw this guy for the first time in over a decade and find myself thinking about him a lot not in a romantic way just thinking about those sweet high school moments. I find myself wanting him to know. Just how much. I liked him back then. I feel guilty. That i pushed him away so much. I don't want him to think him when it was all me a hate knowing that i probably caused him some hurt. So my question for you is. Would it be weird. If i reached out to him to tell him. I'm sorry for being so closed off back then. And that i really did like him and that i wish him. The best is that weird. Is it a betrayal to my husband or do i just leave it the cat. I'm dying to know your answer to this. So these kind of questions are very hard for me. Because as a writer of romance. I can't get swept up in like the romantic storyline. That's here listen. I don't wanna use the word weird. Because i just find lake. What is weird right. Like i don't i don't i don't like that. Using that as a critical word. I think weird is a really great thing to be that being said i would. I would let this go. I would not contact your high school crush. And i would say that like even though you said you don't still have feelings for him. There is something -able in here and it's also totally appropriate to like have a crush even when you're married right like i think that happens. That's totally normal. But i think it does kind of it starts to tip toe into like what really did. Do you want to happen here when you send this person a message. You can't see it. Y'all can't see me. But i am notting like france. You know and like the fact that you're worried about it being a betrayal to your spouse to me doesn't i don't think it's a betrayal to send an email to pass romantic partner but i think something about it is making you feel like liu and so i think if you do go ahead you should communicate to your spouse like hey i don't i don't know something about this. There's a tiny red flag waving here for me and i can't quite put my finger on it to worry. What do you say i am. I am a thousand percent in agreement with you. I also my my. My spidey sense went up when this listener wrote. I like you point out. I don't still have feelings for him. I'm super happily married. I'm obsessed with my family. But i'm thinking about him a lot. Not a romantic. Wait like i feel. There was a lot of sort of lake. Denial happening here. And i worry that if you reached out to him there would be this. Like tiny part of you That would kind of be hoping that this would open the door to kick those butterflies. Who knows what. But i fear that it cracks open a door that like ultimately. You might not want to crack open and kate said. I think it's fine to have these feelings. I think you should just sort of sit with them and not i. I personally don't think you should act on them Because i think you you you have more feelings for this guy than you are kind of admitting to in your note to us and as kate also pointed out the fact that we need to ask if it's a betrayal to your husband makes me think that you think it's a betrayal to your husband if this were if this were totally innocent and you truly had no romantic feelings for him. You wouldn't even have to ask the question because like they wouldn't be it would just be like a normal. Hey how's it going kind of thing but the fact that you are wondering if it's a betrayal makes me think that you think there's a possibility that it is a betrayal in which case you should not do. I also like the way that this person wrote this to me. What i hear possibly is regret that yes at the time. You didn't act on these feelings that you had with this person who also had feelings for you which i understand i mean i think everything this listener is saying is so normal and so Human you know like ask these. These are real feelings that you are experiencing and i do think like you go back and do you think about what could have been or how that made you feel or you like relive those feelings a little bit and it it does like they do feel powerful so but i don't think you you actually this person and apology move. Feel the feelings. You're having journal them. Yep daydream i think these are all like healthy things to do but but if it's becoming like all consuming or something. I think you need to kind of dig into a little bit more. Yep and like also everybody. Experiences hurt love hurt. You don't need to go back to apologize for something that you know. I don't think he actually did harm in. The situation is what i'm saying there are. There are moments when an apology is necessary. But i don't think you caused harm here. I completely agree with all that. And i also worry that you're using this notion that you need quote unquote to apologize to him as an excuse to reach out to him dory that thought i kind of agree here so but look listener. We love you. We see yeah we do. We do we see in. Look we're gonna we're gonna now transition to another conversation of former flames because someone asked us this very important question over email. Hi can we discuss the reemergence of benefactor. Am i the only forty something. That is fascinated by ben in jenin. Getting back together. Ll thanks for a former us. Weekly reader okay. I mean obviously yes. Look what might not know about definitely me. Maybe also use the. I am obsessed with ben affleck. I am fascinated by ben. Affleck i would say. I'm obsessed with him but i'm very fascinated by him. I mean something. You need to know that if you grew up in massachusetts and possibly all of new england in the eighties and nineties you in school. You watched a program called the voyage of the mimi which was about like wailing and science and it starred a young pugh bessant ben affleck so i had a crush on him not knowing he was going to turn into this famous person back when i was in sixth grade. Watching voyage of the mimi. Nor you also watch what you know what i'm talking. This is a very niche new england. Specifics here google me. We also watched wedge of the mimi in social studies class literally every child in new england. Watch this but i don't think that it made its way to. The rest of the country was produced by wg low ubs station but yet everyone watched it so. Oh and also i lived. I was living in philadelphia during the filming of zhili. The peak of benefactor the peak of benefactor. And when i tell you that this was the most exciting thing that had happened to philadelphia in quite some time. I'm not exaggerating. I mean like it was it was it was an event that they because they were living in an apartment in together in center city. And yeah it was. It was a very big deal. Things happening yes. We can discuss it. I am fascinated by it. I mean also. I think jennifer lopez seems great. And i was if you really want to deep dive you should hannover too. Busy phillips is doing her best. Podcast where casey saint orange has the of just deep dove into this is he's also been aflac fan and casey just really kinda nailed this relationship early on but i do think there is something really soothing and exciting. And it's a wonderful distraction to have these two mega famous celebrities who we all obsessed over twenty years ago. Get back together as lake late. Forty fifty somethings. It's like of course we also we're in a pandemic. Wow is realistic action right. It's as though they knew we needed them. Yeah i say early providing a public service. Yes and they like. Look there everything that you want from. Like hollywood entertainment and glamour. They're they're beautiful. Like jennifer jennifer lopez just like an magnificent human. I mean she's ju- and by all accounts again from listening to busy. Casey discusses a really nice person. They were both raving about how kind she is. And i always loved that. Like when you find at a celeb- is kind. Yeah yeah But i will point out. They got together when they were both single. This time around this route. Yes yes yes like fuck a broad. He allegedly cheated on seriously seriously. Hawker now i mean also seven ben affleck maybe also other to your so you know what i also appreciate about. Benefactor is the age appropriateness of it. She's fifty writer. She she fifty two then is in his late forties. I believe old disband. Let's give him a google show. Even my greg who's forty eight So you know. I just. I just love that lake. And she's fifty two. I love that. They're just know they're they're grownups. They're grown ask people who are talking about grownups. Things and living grown-up lives and like yes. You can date younger. You can date older. That is like that really warms. My heart about two people having age appropriate relationship and also being like closer to our age. Yes like i'm not sitting here like thinking about olivia rodriguez relationships which like no love thinking about. But she's eighteen at all. My kids wanna talk about and like like looking at a year old who i am. I getting nibbled away. She wanted exactly. Yeah i was just going to say like you know. They are having a lot of sex undoubtedly. And it's just it's just makes it. It's really nice. Just really nice to know that that is happening there on a yacht. I'm like jennifer. Lopez is old enough to be the. Aarp eat i. I mean yes. Yes so yes we can talk about it and also just i think feel like for me. It's just like this is what i wanna think about right now. Like when i'm ordering more of my k. And ninety five masks for my kids and freaking out about every awful thing going on in the world like what distraction do. I need ben in gent. Okay well we're going to let really shift gears after the ad break and talk about Some sadder things so just wanna flag that for you. We will be right back. Today's episode is brought to you by a ritual. I'm so excited to talk about ritual. Today i love my ritual vitamins. I take him every day. I travel with them. And now ritual has done something amazing. They have a made an incredible protein powder that actually tastes good. And i know what you're saying. Is there such a thing and there is there is now because rituals protein. Powders are deliciously handcrafted with a vanilla flavor made from a direct from former vanilla. Bean extract that is of course sustainably harvested through madagascar and in terms of standards. 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And i think a podcast episode. I just listened to would really fit this moment. It's j. shetty's on purpose. Podcast and the episode is from february fifth. It is about the four seasons of life. It's an analogy. We've heard made many times. But he digs into what they really mean and how to embrace them all. I will add that door situation. Kind of reminds me of the post race blues which can be pretty severe among races. Racers of longer distances. My approach is to try to do the exact opposite of what i was doing while i was training intently. Disable the contrast of life. So maybe it is time to lace up. Those running shoes may finally. I never understood the lana del rey song summertime sadness until i moved to this relentless inferno that is salt lake city. In the summer. I stand in solidarity. Wow the four seasons of life. This is not something i've ever heard of. Have you mean either. But i i liked the sound of it yeah. Let's learn more about that and come back to the table because it sounds like it. Sounds like the theory from what google just. It's just like you're transitioning from season to season and just like we transition like in the in the weather pattern. You need to ease into your next season. I love a senior going into dari. I don't know. I have to listened to this podcast episode. Yeah let's give. I'm gonna give it a listen as well. I love a new podcast recommendation. And maybe we'll We'll follow up here great. I do forward to that. I do think though there is this like like this person. Manches racing and training for racism. Soon they mean like marathons like there is such a morning where like this big structured period of your life ends. You know like when you're just like what do i do. And you're like set loose into the wilds of the world. Yep yep yep yet do you feel like you're coming out of this rut at all. Are you feeling it a little bit or are you still in it. And i feel like i'm still in it. That's okay. I don't wanna i don't wanna give anyone false. Hope you've got the summertime summertime sadness yes. It's weird because i used to have seasonal affective disorder in the winter. All right. well we'll look into this all right. I want to give a content warning. The next we smells area emotional and involves The death of a friend. So if that's not something that's for you. This would be a good point to Pause pause or move on from the pod for today high leadings I'm sorry i'm jeff found out My very best friend has approximately three months to miss Most likely can't live longer. But if she does see twenty twenty two. We won't be by much and i'm really targeting juggling promotions She's an actively dying for a long time she's had cancer and Just had a new blow. That is really sped up time line and i'm gonna hand. I'm denniston utterly devastated because she's and I don't know i. I've wonderful other things too. I know we'll be there for me and we've already had some conversations to me About you know how like we're going to be there for each other when this happened You know it's not the same on the other hand i'm wrote. This is the best thing because she's such excruciating pain for so long that were already and i can't help but acknowledge that this can be about twenty five years for life information-rich interesting things that are between time. What did she has been hard. That's good you're getting therapist. Her shopping for already A tennis but What other suggestions you have for those can't for you know a relationship and being or other things that you know like taking time would be good thing. But i'm i'm gonna have so Really scared i could really use some thank you. Well sorry you know i. I was thinking as i listened to this voicemail about now. This is sound so lame but me my shared on my instagram. I write a lot about grief. And i think a lot about grief and it base and i i was just looking for and i couldn't find it but i'll find it but it basically says like a lot of us think that grief grows smaller over time and really would really what happens is that we grow around our grief and that the grief never changes shape but we continue to grow and that was very. Yeah that was very profound for me in it really nailed how i thought thought about grief and so my advice to this collar in addition to yes i think finding therapist and finding a support group Especially because i feel like we don't like when i was looking for support groups after my mom died there's a lot of like family support groups but there's no i didn't see as much for like the loss of a friend and that is significant as the loss of a family member. So don't don't hesitate to find yourself a support group you know you. You qualify Even if it doesn't specify like best friend. But i think i think there's i think you have to hold space for your grief and let yourself be as as sad as low as you're gonna be and it might be for a long time and a you should feel that you can lean on the people in your life. Who can support you through this. Obviously i wouldn't lean on your best friend who is dying for your support. You are that person for her or them. I don't know their identity But lean lean on the people who are there to support you now is the time to take them on it and truthfully like i mean. I don't know if you're feeling this but like no one is going to replace your person. That's your person you know. No one is and you deserve a lot of youth that deserves the weight that it carries. That's a big loss. Yeah i don't have anything to add to cates advice. I think like one thing in the way that grief doesn't look the same for for every person is that the way we care for our grief doesn't look the same in so if i was like you know like one thing. I did to cope with my mom. Getting cancer was like training for half marathons to raise money. But without but then i also did other things like essentially lean into an eating disorder to gain control over my life so like some things were more productive than others. But i would say you know. It's not like what. What i might do or might do is going to be different so if something is seemingly quote unquote a healthy self. Care practice for you. I would just go with it and that might look different. It's gonna look different for everyone and not people people might not get while you're suddenly like hiking mountains every day but you know if that's your thing that's helping you amazing. Oh so hard. It's so hard i did also want to add. I know i've mentioned the deep dive. Podcast like on every episode lately. But i i'm obsessed with listening to it. But jessica saint clair who's one of the co hosts lost her best friend to cancer and she talks a lot about and jessica also had breast cancer too so she talks a lot about kind of how she started losing her best friend also like her spiritual feelings about her connection to her best friends still and that might be. She might be an interesting person to just follow her. That may be a good podcast at checkout. Yeah well as usual dory. We have run the gamut from benefactor to grief. I mean we do it all this. Podcast really is an umbrella. Kate once again. Glad to have you back. I'm glad to be back and listeners. We'll talk to you again. soon bye bye.

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Episode 186: To All The Shows Ive Loved Before

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What were watching what we're listening to what we're reading what we're loser all the things you can do with pop culture right. Watch read and listen i. I think i think that covers it. Is there anything else. We could be doing Yeah sure i would love it if you come in hot with dance. Recommendation today dory That would be pretty funny. Yeah yeah so we. We want atar some recent pop culture faves and we also put out the bat signal for listener. Faves as well we did. We sure did so. I'm excited about this show. Just hop run isn't got into it. Okay let's just get into it. Okay all right. I'll go first with a tv show that i am watching Okay let me pose a question for people who are our partner. Do you have shows that you have to like save to watch with your spouse Very few but there are a couple but there are some right like you. have you have one. Yeah yes well. Here's one that is a a one. I think i have to say although i should double check with anthony because sometimes i'll think this is one of our shows and he like sneaks it and watches it without me ever do that. How rude i mean i know so. We are as has happened. Okay and how do you handle it. Divorce right yeah okay just confirming okay so a show that anthony and i just started together so i think this is a together watch And one that we are about three episodes really enjoying is reservation dogs I've heard things about this show. It is so funny. Acting is amazing. The writing is really smart and just sharp and funny. It's really good like it's it's There are laugh out loud moments which is rare for me. I don't of let out a laugh. Laugh on the inside. But i don't always lead out of vocal like off. Aw yeah i don't want a big laugher But it's been real. It's really fun so we're just getting into it And that is a that is a pair show that is a show. I watch in a pair with my partner. That's fun pass the baton to you. We're going back and forth i. I don't know why so full disclosure. I have not watched this show yet. But i'm very excited for only murders in the building. The who show. With steve martin martin short and selena gomez me who it's like a true crime detective mystery spoof show and it looks just like delightful. I watched the trailer. And i was charmed. I also haven't started this yet. But i to have this on my like top list. Yeah so i'm excited about this All right back to you kate okay. Well an obvious. One that i think most people know about that. If you haven't you should hit up as white lotus You watch white lotus as well right now. I didn't wanna offer. It didn't offer this advice if you enjoyed white lotus but are not up on. Mike white's catalog. May i recommend if you will. S his israel. Nee i recommend enlightened which is one of my favorite shows of all time may you may laura dern has basically kind of a nervous breakdown and goes to hawaii to recuperate and then comes back and tries to save the world essentially. And you've got luke wilson. You've got molly shannon jason. Men soukous mike white himself. I mean the cast is amazing in. It's just such a funny dark brilliant show okay. I just want to preface this. By saying i only bring this up because it feels like a show that i should be into but i'm not and it's what is that weird. That a weird thing to say. No it's not. But i okay. I just love this setup. Okay take me on this journey. Okay so. I thought. I would really like the chair. That's where i'm going with this like it takes place in a university. It's got sandra. Oh it's like it's a comedy. It's got holland taylor like. There's just a lot about it that i was like. Oh yeah. And i. I watched two episodes and i. I don't know. I couldn't get into it so i don't know i'm just putting that out there. Would you recommend like. Should i try to watch. What do you think. I would like it. I would be curious to hear your thoughts. I would like you to watch it because if you watch it. And you're like dory you need to just give it another episode than i will give it another episode. I'm willing to have my mind changed on this one. I'm actually quite perplexed as to why. I have not enjoyed it. How far did you get. How many episodes did you give it to episodes. It's only six episodes. So i got a third of the way through. Ooh yeah i feel like once you hit the second episode of a short like a show with not. I mean it's like right should be. You should be into. There's something i feel like. There's something slightly off about the tone and i can't quite put my finger on it but it just. It's just not not fully gelling for me anyway back to you kate. Spencer okay. Well i do want to say like i think that time is precious as the saying goes and if something is not scratching the itch there really is no need to keep going. Yeah like i give you permission to let go of the chair. Oh thank you all right. Okay i am going to recommend probably the only reality. Tv show that. I watch that is bachelor in paradise out cafe now. Look i don't feel you know what. Actually i'm not even going to qualify my watching the show. I watch bachelor in paradise. It is what it is. I'm not gonna make any excuses for myself. I think it is way. Better than the bachelor franchise series the bachelor and the bachelorette i. i've given up. on those. To be honest. I find them just Formulaic and and boring at this point but bachelor in paradise is always chaotic. In the best way. And if you aren't familiar with it they bring in groups of past contestants men and women and the idea is that you like for example. The first week there were thirteen women and ten men and in order to stay on the island or not on the island on the beach in mexico where they are. You need to be paired up so one of the you know. I mean still following this annoying like had her own normative formula but one of the you know one of the men has to pick you that week and then if you don't get picked you go home but then the next week the women are the pickers so it goes back and forth and it's just and then and then they throw in new hot contestants every new episode so like all of a sudden you think people have paired off and then some like honk walks down the stairs and it's just game on throws a wrench in everything. It's really it's really. it's really fun. And i forced anthony to watch it with me because his commentary is really enjoyable because he has no idea what's happening and any at least i have a general sense of like who grocery store joe is but he has no idea what's going on so it's very it's a really pleasant fun reality watch all right well. Neither of us has started below deck yet. I assume right just haven't brought myself to do it i will. I haven't i haven't i want i. I want to do that as well. So that's kind of like on my reality list okay. So the last tv thing. That i wanna shout out. And i know you have a couple more but the last thing that i wanna shout is the return of what we do in the shadows a show. I don't watch okay. This is this is like matt and my this is our show. There's what we do in the shadows. Great british bake off the end lies to its those two so we are pretty excited about the return of this television show. Okay what is it about. this hires. yet it's a mockumentary about vampires about about family. I guess a family a group of vampires living in a house on staten island. If it's that sounds so funny it's so funny Matt my husband has a real thing for matt berry the actor and he's in it and he's he's so funny. The premise of the show is hilarious. And it's like carried out so perfectly so perfectly it's just give it a shot. I like i like anthony would really like it and if i knew for us. Okay i feel like you would really like it too. It's weird it's ridiculous. It's it's very it's very funny which also reminds me. Do you ever watch los a- spooky. No but i want to. It's very good okay. There's another that is another great funny show. I don't know if they're doing a second season or what. I don't know we're a second season but they did a did. Their first season is only six episodes. It's a very quick watch. And it's very funny. cleo torres who i think created that show who's a writer on. Snl his standup special is so freaking. Good does throwing iron. It's called favorite shapes it's on. Hbo it's so funny. So supposedly there is a season too. But i don't like they're shooting season to By there's no there's been no announcement of one season two will be so it's a. It's a quick fun watch. i'll keep my last two. Tv recommendations short. I want to mention that if you have not seen girls five of a unique to stop what you're doing and go watch it right now. I am watching it. I'm in my second watching girls five up. That's how much i like it. Wow okay it's so fucking funny and so great. And it's really relevant to our interest in that it's a group of women who are in their forties and older. We love it. It's just so good okay. And then i also wanna just shutout. Tim robinson's show. I think you should leave on net flicks which is just like almost. Yes absurdly. funny things. I've ever watched. It's the second season came out this summer. It's so funny the first season also but if you need some chuckles there you so weird and so funny okay. Well let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. How do you decompress for me. Personally i like to get comfy. I'm a living room couch and scituate all of my pillows. Just how. I like them. So i can play some best fiends. It's a quick trip into the land of russia and suddenly my mind is called cool and collected because sometimes the best way to blow off. Steam is to give your brain a challenge so playing this match. Three puzzle game with thousands of levels and super cute characters is just a typical way that i do it. It's a great way to keep your mind active and happy and engaged without having to work too hard. I'm on level. One thousand one hundred sixty six. And i just can't stop playing. I'm not worried. I'm going to run out of levels though because there are thousands of them and since best friends is free. You can start playing today but good luck catching up to me. 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Have you listened to the story. it's a is like it's so up my alley that i'm almost embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that. I just found it because it's been out for about a year. It's hosted by tracy clayton and Josh quinn it like revisits. Classic pop culture moments pop culture people celebrities and really digs into what was going on at the time. What makes it so great why it stuck with us and it's so funny and so smart and it just it also just tickles. That nostalgia funny bone and like tracy is a bit younger than us. I believe think she's thirty. Eight and josh is also in his thirties so like that they still talk about kind of like like what what are like. The older geriatric millennial. I think that's what they're called like. I still find a lot of the like the times that they're revisiting a just listen to one. Unlike late nineties early offs music. That was so funny. And it just like scratches that itch. It's a real nice lake deep dive into pop culture that we've already experienced select. We're not necessarily talking about like the kid'll roy you know like i don't need to talk about current stars. There's a whole whitney houston episode. Like just it's really great I also i listened to just about every episode of busy phillips is doing her best in each episodes like three hours long. So takes me the whole week to get through but like if you listen to this show. You should be listening to that show. It's just like it's just a great. It's like being around friends. Those are my warm at warm feeling just like intimate conversation that is very open and i really appreciate it Okay so my podcast recommendations are as follows. I just finished the new season of the tc m. yes turner. Classic movies podcast. The plot thickens so season. Two is based on the book. The devil's candy. Which is an amazing book that came out in the nineties. Early ninety s about the making of the movie the bonfire of the vanities. It's it's a spectacular book. If you have any interest in lake. Hollywood how the sausage gets made type stuff. You will love this book. The movie was a total flop. It was a disaster. And you know she obviously didn't know going in that. It was going to be disastrous. She was onset for like a year. And it's just the book is amazing. And then the podcast. I think whether or not you've read the book You'll find it really interesting. She kind of recreates the book but in audio and talks to a lot of the crew. Sadly i think there's none. None of the cast agreed to be interviewed like melanie. Griffith bruce willis. Tom hanks And then it was directed by brian. Depalma who also did not cooperate with the podcast. But he's in the book it's eight episodes. I think they did a bonus episode where someone interviewed julie about like her career and the book and making the podcast. But it's really delightful. I highly recommend it. It's also know. Julie salomon whose the whose author and then she hosts it. I think she's in her sixties now. And it's kind of nice to listen to a podcast hosted by an older woman like i there just. Aren't that many that weird. No it's not weird at all. I think that's freaking awesome. Yeah it's pretty cool. And then the other podcasts. That i wanna recommend is nicole perkins. Podcast nicole on barbour. Thirty five a couple of weeks ago. She has a really fun. Podcast called this is good for you where she talks to people about their hobbies and everything from like sewing to submission like she really gets into it. So if you enjoyed our episode when the coal or you've read her writing or you follow her on twitter or whatever even if you don't follow nicole. i think you'll find this. Podcast quite delightful. I need to listen to that podcast. I think you'll like it. I think i will to have an audio book recommendation. Ou go on. And i don't think i've mentioned it yet on the podcast I have been listening to. Casey wilson's audiobook the wreckage of my presence. And i love it. I casey i think is one of the funniest people to exist on the planet. And if you have not watched a happy endings. The tv show that she was on. I'm you must watch it immediately. It is so funny and charming like an just an easy digestible. Watch so you can watch happy endings on net flicks like go back and give it a watch and let us let us have a happy endings resurgence anyway. Her audio book is fantastic because she's incredible narrator and an incredible writer and her the i will go from like hysterically laughing to crying an every chapter. It's just really poignant. And funny and she talks about grief and losing her mom and What it's like being called fat in hollywood and being told to lose weight and grappling with body image and it just like also just hilarious stories talks about the real housewives and what it means to her. I mean just really great. I have heard such good things about this audiobook. That's great to know okay. Well i have a book. I've a book that i'm excited about for the fall. And it is the louise penny hillary clinton collab- get on my louise penny level. This is the most exciting his book. It's called state of terror. It's coming out october twelfth. I'm circling dated. Read on my calendar. Do dory on october twelfth to thirteenth. Because she will be read. I will be very busy reading this book so yeah. That's like my fall preview. Book suggestion kate. What about you. What do you have going on. Do you have other books that you watch a wreck. Yes so i essentially exist in two spaces exist in the audiobook space in exist in the like reading book space so right now as i mentioned casey's book is my audiobook hot. I have been reading julie and longs the palace of rogues historical romance series. Well well well well lou. Now do i have read her contemporary romance books. But i've never. I've never really i have not read too many Historical romances so. I'm trying to dig in. I've got sarah mcleans. New book bombshell on my bedside table. That i'm really really excited to read anyway. I am enjoying this. Like just this weird historical world of the london docks and also like the hunky like the ridiculous hunks. Who just happened to keep coming into this this boarding house. It's just. I mean it's just right. It's just what i need right now. I also did wanna mention that Helen hang has a new book called the heart principal. Ooh just came out. Hell was guest on our show Awhile back and i'm really really excited to read this one. I've heard great things. So i'm waiting to get my hands on that one. That's fun oh and dori. I also just want to mention that our friend. Emily arth isler. Who's an amazing beauty. Writer has a new middle grade fiction book out called aftermath. That i am planning on reading with my kids. It deals with the aftermath. A school shooting. And it's just a beautiful beautiful book all right. So let's talk tune story okay and then we should take a break. We really need to take a break. All right tunes i am enjoying lords new album solar power. I have mixed feelings about this album. I can't get into it okay. That's fine. I mean i respected to agree. I like it. It's very chill lax I know i'm into i like the vibe. Is lord from australia or new zealand. We now new zealand new zealand. Okay because my my pick is a an ozzy singer. I cannot get enough of troy savant like i cannot Oh hey like. I'm in love with him. I can't stop listening to all his old music. I'm obsessed with the song you that has been out for months. And i still i. I'd never tire of it I'm just obsessed with him. That's all wow okay. You know what that's fine. I'm truly in love with him. And i believe that he's going to have some. He has like game music coming out. And i just like he's got a new single free. I mean have you ever like are you not also in love with trae savan. Is it just me. I don't know him super well. I will get ready for the mix tape that i'm about to send to you. I can't wait. oh enduring. We have to mention that casey. Musk graves is coming out with new music. And ma yes we are going to make. We're making hot friendship. Plans to go see her concert. I'm excited are you in charge of getting tickets. I think i'm the one who sent the. Are we going to this degree chat. So yeah so yeah so. It's me a right okay. Let's take a break because we got listener rex to share. We do all right. We'll be right back. Today's episode is brought to you by rossi's. Hey look sustainable. Shoes are not just for ladies and like why should they be brought. He's just launched their men's shoes and they are intentionally designed with an rt's a level of detail and created with nearly zero waste and just like their classic shoes. 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Today that's r. t. h. dot com slash forever. Thirty five. all right so thank you so much to all of you. Who wrote called texted in with your fault pop culture wrecks. We appreciate it. We really appreciate it. Do you want to start with some of these wrecks or do okay start digging. I'm going to start with this one because this is a podcast. I have really been. It's like on my list of things to listen to all right. This person wrote to us my wreck. The podcast maintenance phase with michael hobson armory bordon michaels. The co host from. You're wrong about and maintenance. Phase is a similar concept except they analyze and comment specifically unfitness and wellness trends from the last twenty years with special attention paid to the way that consumerism and patriarchy play into how he thought about eating exercising and other elements of wellness writ large. I am in recovery from an eating disorder. And i find their commentary extremely refreshing and empowering as they peel back layers about diet culture soothing around dia culture often fraught ways we think about bodies generally. It's also super entertaining and laugh out loud. funny highly. recommend great recommendation thank you. I've another listener recommended every outfit. Podcast a sensibly about sound really. Yeah it's i think it's it's By the creators of the instagram and it says they say it's deeply about pop culture and fashion. It's run by the two women behind the every outfit on sex and the city instagram. One of their bios boasts something like an encyclopedia knowledge of fashion. And it's no lie. Love that For some reason that made me think of another Docu series. I guess that i am really excited about that. I wanted to recommend as a foul fall. Pop culture pick which is the lula. Rich documentary allows on prime so excited so excited. I'm really excited. It's about the unraveling. Lula row a cedeno at lists the multi level marketing company where people sold quote. Buttery soft leggings. Yep yep yep a owned some pears story did you really. Yeah wow. I didn't understand what an mlm was for a very long time. And i out interesting. I definitely owned some buttery soft leggings and funky patterns. Wow okay okay Locate we got some voicemails and full disclosure. We have not listened to these voicemails because various production reasons that we don't need to go into so we figured maybe we would just play some of them question. Mark see what people have to say. We don't know what what what normally we review every voicemail. But we don't know today. Yeah so it's a real. It's a surprise for us as well. Yup yup yet ready. Okay all right. I'm picking one at random here. We go cotton door. I hope i'm not too late with this recommendation. I listen to your mini episode on asking for pop culture. Her recommendation An honestly. I think it's gonna be redundant to what has been saying for years at this point But i very recently been awakened to the magic. That is young adult movie on netflix. Specifically that to all the boys theory Shadow and bone. It's considered young adult and that one is really good Trying to think of more. I've definitely seen a couple of more on. What they i. Digress so what. I like about young adult shows which i never really bought myself watch for the year but i just run out of quote unquote adult shows to watch on my platform. But i got a little desperate. But what i noticed and you tell me if you agree but i really young. I don't stop it your than normal adult because it's so much more of like I wanna say taboo but it's just so much more like a new experience for the character in those shows so i feel like there's like more tension a little bit more sexually exciting even though like nothing rare like even though sexual activity actually rarely happens on screen But i should notice within the is something like as over as like like or the plan just things that are very overtly in factual i feel like they just like boom halfback ner done whereas the young adult stuff isn't a little more sexy you know it's got a little bit more built up So i would say if you are an adult and having giving yourself the permission to indulge in those young adult teen movies Their watch okay. Love the pod guys. Good i i really thought she was going to say shits creek and i was like okay. Dorey me too. I was don't need another person recommending. Wow okay take the saltiness down a notch. I mean it's just like we've talked about a lot on this point. Yes we we have to say. This is a great recommendation. I love this idea. yes same name. Have you watch news. I've watched all of the to all the boys. I've loved before which is based on the book series by jesse han forever. Thirty five guest. Yes but have you watched Shadow and bone. Have you watched i and runs. I haven't watched shadow and bone. But i do connect with what the listener is saying in that a lot of times. There's a lot of angst and build up with kind of romance in these young adult books and movies and i also find very satisfying. I love some angst. I love some tension. Now it's such an interesting point. I never thought of that. That's really. it's a really interesting. Quite another voicemail. See what awaits us sure. This is kind of fun. I know high catton door calling from vacation. I on the case moment. i'm in the car. I know laurie. I was listening to the pod. Podge wrapping up direct. This is a bit of a throwback. I am watching fashion area. series because i'm obsessed trivia game and often can't be kennedy and i know when the new becomes out you'll get question so i wanna be a call have the interest which is dumb but kinda funny and my husband's so you're watching the entire fast and furious franchise from back in hana logical line order. I don't really know what that means. Husband looked it up and he called hashtag your summer and it's like our thing that we're doing when are selling i can't say he's movies are great but as far as like mindless awesome. And i can't use spoilers but there's a couple of moments that i actually high and I'm enjoying it. I kind of love this idea. I've only seen one fast and furious movie so my friend. Joe engert hilarious per person had a fast and furious like marathon at his apartment. Once where we watched all the movies and they're really fun. I have to say they're really on like a hundred percent would go to the theater to see the next fast and furious movie. I mean if not in a pandemic yeah. Totally great suggestion okay. Let's go to the spreadsheet pausing the pod for an author slash series wreck not medieval. But lauren willett eggs. Pink carnations series. Has it all historical fiction cozy mystery and sex. Hope you give it a try. That sounds like all the things way like. Yeah i mean done right okay. Should we listen to one more voicemail. Okay let's see what it is high c. into worry this is kelly And you guys were asking for pop culture recommendations recently and he was actually the one who got me into this and let me down a crazy rabbit hole I want to recommend watching korean. Dramas so i started with watching crash landing on you. Thanks to key. And then i've watched so many friends So a few recommendations for people. New to k dramas. It's a huge huge category. Was like so many different genres But one that. I would really recommend for people working for furious. I'm cable or do you want the is my mr And then a romance one. That's nascent short and very funny called mad for each other another really great one About a mafioso who comes back to his homeland of korea. Very funny called vincenzo and then Want director mendes on for dory to give it a try on a historical called Rookie historian goo hey wrong. I'm sure i'm not pronouncing the name right But yeah if you haven't fallen down on the korean drama rabbit hole like myself or other people yet you should really give them a try. They're so fun. They're fast paced immerses and they're really geared towards a few audience. Most of the time Most of the screen writers are winning and a lot of the shows centre around female characters. So i'm give it a try all of those net flicks by the way Love the show. Thank you guys so much for keeping me company today and always I'm a teacher. And i spent all day today Putting my classroom together for the beginning of the year and you guys were my friends in my ears. Okay thanks ladies. Aw i mean okay. Thank you for this word. These recommendations i should say i'm in the middle of watching. What's wrong with secretary cam Which is really funny. korean show but last night i had a dream about one of my favorite actors. She changhua kuzan euler which is like the best drama i've ever watched. I mean i love crash leaning on you. That was my original bit. Healer is still get emotional about it and he was in my dream last night and it wasn't like romantic per se but it was flirty anyway. Wow yep yep these are all these great. Thank you so much for recommending as yeah okay. So let's wrap things up with Another one last wreck from the spreadsheet pop culture wreck the val kilmer documentary on amazon prime. I saw in the theater the weekend. It came out my friend. And i had the whole place to ourselves bonus then again with my bff who lives in another state via the amazon watch party saying the film is so well done the footage he has from his entire life is incredible. How rare to have all of that before phones and his life story is so compelling. It's a story about familial relationships and career and dealing with loss but ultimately comes from an uplifting perspective please watch also the podcast called band splaine on spotify o. I did also wanna mention that. A few people wrote in to recommend crying in h mart by michelle's honor and i haven't read it yet. It's about grief and losing a mom. So i've i've been holding it but i'm really it's also like on my wish list of books to read. Have you read that story. Nobody is My book clubs book pick for next month. So i'm planning on reading it nine. Also when i mentioned a couple people on the spreadsheet said like recommended specifically to me that i should watch lapenne on netflix. i have watched it. I have mentioned it on this. Podcast i know. Thank you for seeing me. Like i feel like they get me but i mean i've already watched it like hello. Of course there's a show in french dory is to again all right. I mean especially a jewel heist conman show. Come on you know it has your name all over it. You're numb all All right well. That was really fun. I feel like. I have so many more pop culture wrecks that i'm going to add to my personal list for the fall. Thank you again kate. Every time we do an episode. That's just us. That's like a full length episode and we. That was fun. We should do that more. Yeah that was really fun. I'm always worried we're not gonna have be able to fill the time and then like always goes very long. I know okay well given that. This is a regular episode. Let's talk about our intention last week. You're gonna find you. We're gonna find one new recipe to try okay. Do you know that you're a part of this intention. Because you came to my rescue today go on. I was at the grocery store. And i thought i had saved the ingredients. I needed to make this new recipe. Which is from julia traditions. Simply julia cookbook. It is her roasted tomato soup. My oldest daughter is now obsessed with tomato soup and she really wants to make this. So i was a great. We'll we'll knock. This out of the park will then i couldn't. I didn't have my list. So i frantically texted dorian and our friend danielle house i can someone. Please take a picture of this recipe and send it to me. So i have the ingredients and dori did just that so thankfully oriented tonight. I am trying my new recipe and it is for tim roasted tomato soup and i cannot wait. It's also like seventy two degrees here in los angeles and overcast. Which in la terms is like cold weather. Like it's like tomato soup weather for los angeles. Hey you know it rained. This morning. I saw very briefly. Not very much but it rained. There were drops of rain. Well what about this week okay. So this week. I traveled the summer and when i came back i dumped a pile of stuff next to my bed and the pile has been there for a month and i need to deal with an everyday i look at it and i like resent it and i'm annoyed that i haven't dealt with it. I know it's gonna take thirty minutes tops. And i just haven't done it been there you get me. I look i get you. So that's it the pile. The pile needs to get cleaned up. Great okay so last week. My intention was to travel safely full disclosure. I have not yet traveled. I thought we were going to for some reason in my head. We were recording this. After i traveled the that is not the case. So i still hope to travel safely But my new intention for this week is to watch a new tv show and start a new book inspired by this episode. Yes one hundred percent inspired by this episode. Well i hope that you start bachelor in paradise. I hope that's what it is. It catch probably won't be no But again the superfund. Let's do it again some time and i just want to remind everyone forever. Thirty five is hosted and produced by me. Or she freer and kate spencer and produced and edited by sandy. Julio sam reid is our project manager and our network partner is eight. We'll talk to again thank you.

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Mini-Ep 214: That Cat Eye Life

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Mini-Ep 214: That Cat Eye Life

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At dot com. You made visit our website. Ferber three podcasts. Dot com links to everything. We mentioned on the show. Follow us on twitter at ferber thirty pot on instagram feber. Thirty-five podcast joined the fiber thirty-five facebook group or the passer serums you can sign up for our bimonthly newsletter at forever thirty five podcast dot com slash newsletter and. We are a mere one week away from my book launch event. Worth the wait a two night. Extravaganza starring meador sha freer and uk. Spencer thank god. That's what the world needs more of. Its just two of us. I mean it's not k. Won't be there the whole time. But she will be there for a good chunk of it. I mean i'll very samra though. It's not like i'm going to walk away from the event so i'll just have to hang out in the chat. I mean chad is going to be popping off and my dad. Make me a martini. And i'll just kick back well. You could make a martini or you could make one of these special worth the wait drinks. That yes friend of the pod. Emily ferris is designing. And if you registered for the event you will. You might have gotten this already. Yeah i think by now it will have gone out. You should have gotten a recipe card for each night so you can also make the drinks. There's going to be a special drink for each night and they will be easily made non alcoholic so if you do not drink alcohol. No problem. Drink along with us. I love that. Yeah me too. And the other thing they just want to mention. Is that when you buy a ticket to the event. When by the paid ticket you get a hardcover copy of the book and that book can now be personalized. So i like this. I like it too when you register. For the event on event bright you will see. It's very it's very straightforward. You'll just see like a field that asks you how you would like your personalized now. I can just write your name. But i could also right welcomed. Dory's hotel big big But masks never forty three forty five g. Thirty five could right. I think cates. Puns are hilarious and witty. I could write kate. Spencer is the best That's going to be my personalization. Reframe the narrative. You could write so many things others so many things i could right so this is this is and also because we're not doing like a in person book tour. This is going to be the only opportunity to get assigned personalized book. So if you want that. Which i mean. Why wouldn't you get on it. You should get on it. So yes so get those tickets at the link will be in the show notes and it's also on my website dory dasher freer dot com great. Well i look forward to it story me to. Let's talk about makeup. Let's do it which we should clarify right now. You and i are not wearing any right. I'm not no no. I'm not either. I just got to be our shower. Barefaced beauties right now Yeah let's talk about makeup. Because you and i have a little announcement. We are taking it back to the written word everybody where we are going to be writing. A bi monthly fortnightly. Much lease these. This word is gonna haunt me forever. We're very excited. Because we are going to be writing a bi monthly column for in style on their website talking about beauty and skin care and everything that comes along with it for folks over forty. I am just first of all. I'm just so excited that they're doing this column period. I'm doubly excited. They asked us to do it. I mean do they know what they're getting into. I hope so. I don't know if they listen to this. Podcast they have an inkling. Yes but it just you know it really it just really. I was very chuffed by this whole situation because our whole thing for the past three and a half years has been. We're not experts and we're not and were not but now we have. We have been given this platform to talk about makeup skin. Care yeah and talk about it in a way that is from our perspective which me that means that i wrote about learning how to do a cat. I with eyeliner. Because they've i mean. I've talked about this on the podcast. I've always wanted to be able to do one and it is very hard. It's very hard. And so i i did like a a boot camp which will link to the peace but i also wanted to mention something that i discovered while writing the story. Tell me did you know that there are companies that make eyeliner pens. That are like stamps where you can stamp the cat. I like the little triangular part of the end on. Did you know this. No okay. I had no idea no idea and i was like tootling. I've talked about how it was in sephora. Recently and part of what i was doing was buying. A bunch of different is owners to try out for this piece. Which was really fun. Because i don't know anything about her so i was looking at pencils and i was looking at pots and i was looking at liquids and then i came upon a stamp. What why is this. Not how have. I never known about this door listeners. Wow and then. I also reach out to a friend on instagram. Because she had an amazing eyeliner. And i was like. Hey what's that like. How do you do that. I'm learning how to do. Like i'm learning how to do a cat i and so she also gave me the link to the one that she was using the one i found at sephora which i tried is the stamp wing eyeliner stamp and a little set by a company called kasha. Never heard of this so you. Do you have a pan where you draw your lid and then you have a stamp that you literally line up with the shape of your eye and just press on and it just forms the cat. I and you can kind of fill in and work around it with the pen again. Oh i had no fricken clue so wait. It's like stencil. No it's it's actually like you know when you were a kid and you had a stamp like you played with a little ink stamp. Yeah or like you go to a club and they stamp your hands yes. I'm familiar. yes. I knew all always be club in his stories motto. Love going to the club dorey. It's just that it's just that in eyeliner form in the shape of a cat i o. And the thing to know is that it has two different sides so it has one for your left eye and one for your right is so it gets the curl rain. Oh i might bring it with me on my joins the summer so that i can model it in the thanks for waiting event. Because it's pretty cool. Like i'd still takes some. It's not for me anyway as of novice. It's not perfect. But i thought it was like a great solution to people who are trying to figure out how to do this. Who may not have a steady hand like me and then the other one. There seemed to be quite a few of these. The other one That recommended is the quick flick. They also make this. And i think on their on their site. They say they are the original patented winged eyeliner stamp brand. So i don't have this. I haven't tried it but they had a lot of really cool makeup an eye products. That might be worth trying anyway. This blew my mind. Yeah very cool. Yeah the other thing they found. Is that like doing the cat i. I'm not. I'm still very beginner at it. But it's so but yet i like refused to do this until this week but like practice makes perfect. I just had to keep doing it and every day. It got a little better. So you know i did go out to my kids softball practice and a friend was like whoa like yes. That's right. i'm a cat eye person now. I'm so into this for you. Yeah i mean how do you what did you write about. You read about break makeup correct. I wrote about well. Okay for a caller that five. This is not our column. these are pieces for something separate yet. These are separate in style pieces but our first our first column we wrote about the one product that we can't live without in her forties. And i don't think we should reveal that is i think people should go. Read the article gabe. Ll if you know us. I feel like they're going to be pretty obvious stories. i know. Did i just spoiler alert. You really are. That's what you're you're a steady person. That's what i like about you. It's a taurus energy. Try try to just have that earthly vibe to so listen we what we're gonna do is we will link to column in the show notes. It'll also be plastered all over social media obviously and look if you have ideas for our column let us know. We're each going to be writing one column a month. So if you have a kate idea senate you could send them both to us but we are going individual columns going love the first one together. Yeah yup but we we've specific beauty journeys we do and i you know. 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Look i love a repeat question to. I'm never gonna turn one away but this was an interesting one. I wanted to check into someone wrote my questions somewhat relates to the visible panty line question with the leggings that has been discussed in the past few months. Recently i treated myself to an hour at the local lingerie store where i got a one on one brought fitting which ultimately was like a one on one shopping experience because no one else was in the store at the time the profiting was amazing and the fitting specialist helped me select three amazing bras to treat myself to one basic t shirt bra. One beautiful lacy unlined bra and one beautiful lacy lined bra. I was so excited. Having some beautiful new underwear and bras is my form of self care. However i have run into the problem that i can't seem to figure out how to wear the too lacy bras whenever i put them on under a shirt or blouse. Anything other than a bulky sweatshirt or sweater which in the summer is quite often. I have the issue that i can see the outline and bumps from the beautiful lace. Or in the case of the unlined bra my nipples show. How am i supposed to wear these beautiful bras on a daily basis or are these types of bras. Something that. I'm only supposed to buy one of and where solely in the winter around my house when we're no one cares. Or am i just over thinking this and no one cares about the nipple showing or the lacey bumps from the bra. Please help. I love this question too. I mean i think that you're over thinking this and no one cares okay. That's my personal opinion. But i also get that if you're not used to having like your nipples showing or the lacey bonds. It does take a minute. Get used to it. But i also don't think you should like relegate these lacy bras to just wearing them in the winter around your house like these are pretty bras. Yeah i think you should think listener you do whatever you feel comfortable with and may be acknowledged the fact that we have been conditioned to believe that there is something wrong with letting the world know that we have nipples especially where women and you know. Companies like instagram still enforced this policy. Which is very mad. Ning hand sexist and There's nothing to be ashamed of about showing or revealing or having a nipple. Now i say this as someone who really struggles with this because of this conditioning so busy on yourself. It's not like one you know. It's very hard to unravel these layers of messages. We've received our whole life that can't show nipples must have padded bras or boobs. Look like barbie boobs. Truly we have nipples can get hard and stick out. People can see them. So i would say ease into it and get comfortable with it because honestly like the more we venture into these areas of self acceptance and kind of pushing back on these bullshit patriarchal constrictions the more ultimately. It helps other people like just knowing that you might do. Makes me feel more confident to do it. Because i also struggle with this door is just let her nipples pop out everywhere from. I'm i'm just letting them pop out your nipple confident. Well i think it's just that i feel like if you have a pretty lace bra like that is almost part. That is part of the outfit You can let a little bit of its show but it took me a while to get there. I like that. We santorini once you and i when we were at the iheartradio words. I believe it was doc- from that vanderpump show. Do you remember this. She was walking in front of us and her bra. She had a dress with no back. But a bra on so you saw the strap go cross her back and then she had jeweled. It was like a bejeweled. Bra was really cool. Yeah and you know. I don't know if you recall but to that same event. I wore a red lace bra that you could see a bit of. Yeah you did. I like this nipple confidence in two thousand twenty one. I'm going to work on that. Yes i still conscious in a bathing suit when my nipples nip up i get it. I've made this about me. They about listener. Just no i feel you. Okay go for it where those bras you should wear them freely story said okay moving on okay all right another email high catton door. I'm she her getting married a little over a year and my fiance. He and i are getting down to finalize our guest list so we could send out save the dates. I need advice on a problem as old as time. How do i know who to invite and who not to invite to the wedding early on we set. What i thought was a very reasonable rule of thumb are only inviting people. Both of us have met in person. We've been together almost seven years. We've had plenty of time to each other family and friends. My fiance's mom recently decided we should invite some great aunts and uncles or old neighbors. People have never met the probably haven't seen my fiance at least fifteen years. My mom is on the plus one tirade. She thinks all of our adult cousin should plus ones even cousins that are signal in new relationships are are dating someone i've never met. We're also stuck on some decisions regarding our own friends as well. We have some friends. We were very close to college in soon. After graduation but of drifted from in the past year or two for one reason or another our guest list is already at one hundred fifty people as is so. It's not like we're being too choosy with invites. I just worry any bigger than this. I will not only have to consider the price per plate for guests but also smaller things like tables chairs linens silverware ten size dance floor size etcetera etcetera. I also don't understand if you're save. The dates are final. Can we change our minds in a year when we send our official invites. How do we decide when and where to make cuts who a. I love a good wedding guest question. Oh fuck. it's so stressful. It's very stressful. My first question. Which i don't see answered who is paying for this wedding are you and your fiance had that. I also had that question now. Look i personally believe it should always be up to you. But i think sometimes when a when a parent or a family member provides some financial backing sometimes you have to honor a some of the things maybe but if if this is coming out of your pockets you put that middle finger up to everybody telling you what to do. Yeah yeah i you know this has come up before but i also on the train of like even if you're not paying for it you should have the authority over the guest list. I don't disagree. I know this is an unorthodox position But here's what i would do. I would tell your fiance's mom no like the end. No like we're not we. We're not going to be able to invite those people and can cause. I can. Your fiance do the knowing. So you like yeah. Set that balance here to do that knowing. And i think you also tell your mom no. I'm sorry mom we don't have the capacity or the budget for one's for everyone if that means they don't wanna come so be it like so what you know what i mean like. Yes i feel like parents. They're often afraid that people will be insulted and that it will reflect poorly on them but like it's not about them also. It's not a family reunion. It's your wedding right. Like i think it gets often gets used as like by other relatives. Is this kind of like other thing. And it's just your wedding about you and your fiancee. It should be what you want. I agree now as to your question about your friends. Another piece of data. That i would have liked to have known. How old are you You say you've been with your fiancee for seven years. I don't know if you met in high school and you're twenty three or if you meant college and you're in your late twenties or did you. Are you forty like i. I don't know because you say that these are people who you were friends with in college and soon after graduation but have drifted from in the past year or two which makes me think the letter writer is in their mid to late twenties I'm thinking that as well. Good detective work dory famous sleuth to that out kate. Okay this is kind of my i When it came to friends. This is my Decision making for people. That i wasn't that were for people who are like on the on. The people who i was on the fence about or felt could have gone either way and those included. Both news like kate. Spencer like when you came to my wedding we like. We haven't really been friends for that long. No i think i got like a. Did i get a last minute last minute later. You did you got refined with that. Not a fan at all. In fact i told you. Like i know i know this is late but we just started becoming friends. Yes and i went. I had a great time. You did come alone. Which said well. Anthony hung with the of came to vegas i. My calculus was looking back in five. Years is this person who i think. I will still be close with and who i will like be sad. Didn't get to come to my wedding or that wasn't at my wedding Not that they would necessarily care. But you know what i mean and kate made the cut and you know what i was row pulled that one off so you know what to me. It sounds like these are not people who you're going to be friends with five years but also you know. There are people at my wedding. Who i've talked to in years but like i'm you know it's it's a snapshot of a time in your life. Your wedding isn't so. I got married in two thousand and eight. I'm not close friends with all the people who were at my wedding but like they were there. You know great. I have a friend who was really good friends with and we drifted apart. And i wasn't invited to their wedding and like did it make me sad. Yeah do i still like them. The same and have and does it bother me. Yes i still like them. Same not bother me like it's just people can be grownups about this stuff. Yeah totally. I could talk about this shit forever. I find wedding politics very fascinating. Yeah the other enemy. And the other thing i would say. Is you say that your guest list is already at one hundred and fifty people like how much bigger want it to be big. How many people are at your wedding. I think i had one hundred and sixty five now. I should say it is. I should say. I got married about a year and a quarter after my mom died and so in many ways it was kind of like a one. It was like very traumatizing to planet. In the wake of my mom's death it was a very bad idea. I had a lot of ptsd. I really struggled. But i but also it's like it was so much fun. It was so celebratory we had so many friends. Come from my friends from college. And capable came up from north carolina with anthony's family and our friends from new york made the trip to like. We're talking in the middle of new hampshire and it was really special and so. I'm glad i had that many people because in a way it was kind of like the first thing we could celebrate after my mom had to after going through this really heavy thing so that's kind of like but that's what it was. I was getting married this year. It would be totally different. I would literally like justice of the peace. It where a white suit and maybe like get some dinner after with ten friends. It's just it's just a part you know. Everything is different when you're when you get married at different times in your life. Second weddings are different than i weddings. I dunno yeah. Yeah so how many were your wedding. I think in the end about a hundred and ten. That's perfect you know. 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"The buzzer podcast on music. Worldwide music started in local music scenes. Underground independent unsigned talent music. You choose to hear. Not the music mainstream tells you to hear hosted by shea the buzzer. Podcast is a canadian broadcast connected to around the globe. Hey y'all am. Shay this is the buzzer podcast. Air indie from my head to yours over the airways today on show niagara on the lake. Terry cousin jayco of terry k three t. l. to a friend. A celebration of life released october twelfth. Terry and i chat about the release. We hear the sorry behind the song. Find out about the talented collective members involved of the song's release and what to expect from terry. Three t. l. in the future. A heartwarming chat with terry about his music. The collective through t. l. and the release while kim. Thank you for tuning in tonight. Enjoy this show. Cheers hi terry. Welcome to the show. Thank you good to be here again. Thank you for joining us. I love the release thank you. It's a release has been very successful. It takes me a bit by surprise to be honest in three days. It's getting a lot of attention as from strangers. And and i guess more importantly friends and friends of friends. I've been getting getting responses about the quality of the The production and the song and more importantly Quite a few people have mentioned the emotional aspect this on how it's made think about people to the to the point where one person when she saw the golden lab marcus running down the beach. She had brought back memories of her favorite dog shadow. And so i guess it's one of those things that means different things to different people. This song is beautiful berry touch. Well i'm happy I guess. I happy it was. I'm glad that he liked that. Was the point of a song is a tribute to your friend. Richard but also to connect with fans with the feel of the passion. That had for your friend. Maybe you can. I guess that's one perspective. It's one take on it. I think what actually was was. I just thought or felt that something had to be done to Remember and it may sound a little simplistic but sort of wanted to remember in all honesty. The song was formulated before richard died. It was it was sort of underway and he became. He became ill. We didn't know at the time while it was going on. And then when he did die. I just i had to get it out i. It sounds strange and maybe a bit contrived. You know you've got it really wasn't i tried to do to get it out in a different way. I approached some people to see if they'd be interested in in doing it. And it's funny. How everything seems these days seems to have some sort of innuendo something implied or politics. That comes into virtually anything. People don't just accept and see things for what they are. I just wanted more people to to hear the song and possibly think about you. Know richard at the beginning and end as part of memoriam. But that didn't didn't work out. Had a lot of people listen to it and say. Oh it's a lovely thought to interest song but that was the end of it and then i spoke Spoke to richard's husband. David and i guess i was away his permission. But i i wanna do this. And i'm going to do it and spoke to a couple of richard of mutual friends that richard. I have and got some encouragement and just decided that i was going to do. I had you know. I had visions of being a cathedral with a robed choir singing the chorus. All that i thought just just do what you what you feel like doing and it. It seems to have worked. I mean i got lucky with the young woman who i hired to pull it altogether. Stacey cody's here in saint catharines and we had a talk and she read over the lyrics. And i kind of gave her a very very broad perspective on how i saw things and my wife was listening into at the meeting when stacy laughed my wife. Holly said she seems pretty. Good i agree. She said she's an artist. Just let her do think. I'm glad i did. I mean she asked for my opinion on locations and various other aspects. But quite honestly i would say ninety five percent of what i suggested wasn't adopted. She had the theme and pulled it all together. i really liked it and it was great. It was a real adventure for me doing this for the first time in with a video and it it turned out rather well stacey to degrade interpretation of the lyrics. The video was an incredible representation of the passion. That you had in the lyrics of the song dance seemed to be real real connection and it was a lot of fun too. I mean not the the the gentleman who appears in the movie was his dog. Were trends of richard as well markets. The the dog got a lot of lot of attention. But everything just seemed to pull pulled together and i can assure people that know the song. The the fellow in the song was wasn't richard and he's still alive and well and lives down the street from us honestly. I thought that as well thank you for telling me that stacy has done work for other local bands. Apparently i wasn't too familiar with it You know it's like anything else. I my my background has given me a lot of experience in hiring people in what in understanding what's required. It's always believed that you know it. It doesn't matter if you're doing the video if you're recording an album if you're running any kind of start up business or as a matter of fact any kind of business that you look for the the best people that you can find that we're with you that have chemistry's kind of a broad brush but a good understanding of what you're looking for and then the reason you're hiring is because you you can't do it yourself There's no way. I could have shot the video. And there's there's no way. I could have produced the the audio on my own. Without the help of rayburn rayburn blake karen in nagara did all the production and i mean we recorded it together and there was a lot of communication. But did you hire people that get it. Just the just get what you're talking about. You don't have to explain. And then you get out of their way and let them do their thing. And it's it's worked for me in the past and it seems to be working. Now come back and say so. What do you think there might be one or two tweaks. i mean. I really wanted french horns and that was a standing joke with greybeard and the other members of three because i have a passion for french horns on everything. i think. It's a little to do with hearing some mozart at at a very young age with some of his like. I didn't really didn't really have to write the horn part. Just said yeah okay. I'll put some you know. Actually he didn't tell me it was going to put the horns it and he just changed it up. And when he examined the final mix. He kind of chuckled. And said you know like this one even some french horn so you know it was one of those things that when you're working with people like that that just kind of feel it allen with with his base part just the old cliche but less is less asmar just knew the pep play and it fit and then Kirk smith has been playing. Bluegrass country can the bands. Think has band's called before midnight and he's been a fixture in saint catharines for a long time. I won't i won't mention how long just you know. save him. The embarrassment of having people understand that he too has one foot in the grave But we you know we're a bunch of old guys but kirk stepped up and he just played this haunting violin. Piece that work and it all came it all has come together Almost like planet that way. Well let's beautiful thank you. We're gonna spin it now and come back and talk more both through t. l. and what's behind the name alright. Sometimes i think plans were head. Dreams couldn't complete moments was shared. 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Given the chance Dude again so tell me about the ban. it's not really band. sorry. I meant the collective. It's one of those things where i had a project. I wanted to pull together and a lot of various successful bands are either really experienced. Well trained musicians have been doing it for a long time and You know have made it their livelihood so they wanted to get together Did you just read the charts and in if they can get a good pocket going on and find the groups and it works or they start very very young and stay together through high school and all the pain in living that has to go together to to actually be successful. And i didn't do that. I started off doing that and at times. Well i did the whole thing going up in in high school and playing complained cover bands and going over around northern ontario inside. Branding all the stuff that everybody does and was fortunate. Enough to go on a tour of the of the states from albuquerque and santa fe new mexico back up to boston with various stops in between in seventy two passenger school bus which has had no breaks in one light and for the whole for the whole trip. And i've got a lot of songs that are going to be coming out of that experience. And then you know life kind of takes you on on different different roads. And i chose a different path and a lot of my friends and colleagues and acquaintances stayed in the business and and paid their dues and worked hard and became successful some of them very successful. And i have a lot of respect for that. And i felt like a bit of an interloper coming in. Don't being invited to the party at a very late stage and the people that came along in the in the collective. I just tried to say. Hey this is what. I wanna do i do. I don't want to I mean during the years that i wasn't doing three t. l. and terry k Jamming occasionally with people. But i had some other jobs that required a lot of time and a lot of different adventures. Which i'm very very grateful for. It's been a great run one. I was trying to explain to. People was wasn't trying to put a band together. It wasn't interested in doing covers. Wasn't interested in the nine o'clock to two or three in the morning time slot playing pubs and condemns music. It was just not not my time. Wasn't the right thing for me to be doing. And all i wanted to do was get these songs done. I have a lot of them. The process was interesting because they said you know come down. I'll play them for you. And if you can hear you part join in if you can't that's okay and you know it clicked. We got a banjo player. By the name of jim hill and the original bass player was roy and we just started learning together and that was the first first album we went through a bunch of potential names. Then we decided on third time. Lucky but third time lucky. I think there are some other bands watering australia. One in the uk. And i didn't want to even consider taking it out on just from a potential legal perspective. I have my and Third time lucky. When i said when i said three t. l. short down was because it was third time. Lucky holly actually you should call yourself. Third time lucky. And we had a chuckle. But that because holly's third time yeah it you know so there's some there's some meaning behind it the the collective guys come and go. I have a neighbor across street Ray who plays button accordion on on one of the songs i love to be able to have them play on more but one of the things that is difficult. Because we're not all in early twenties and single and unattached and you can just hang out in the basement or a studio and practice and play and record is everybody has lives in various things that they have to do. Going to florida in the winter to grandparent. Tting and alan is is the maestro of the niagara on the lake youngsters some. There's a there's a lot of a lot of stuff going on. Make it make it difficult so the that was what the collective was all about you. You'd come in and it the only downside to that great it's person really nice relationships but at the same time it's really a slow process when you're doing it that way because it's It's it's difficult to get the all in the same room vibe when it's hard when you can't pull everybody together into the same room definitely and co vid wrench into the works. Therefore gordon time and you know a lot of people were experiencing that and i think you can see it was when we shot the video on location at the silver spire church in saint catharines. It was the first time that allen and kirk had played together live and we had played with either them. In months we got town it was like it was so great to be playing with people again and even though there were just three of us and stacey we're playing together and she made a comment during the shooting. Let's just wonderful you guys. While i'm busy scurrying around and doing stuff said those little jams doing between or just so much fun. You should be recording and it was a gas. We were having a lot of fun doing it. And i don't know if that comes comes through in the video that you know because we it was it was a little on the sambre side. But i think that there was a kind of glad to be here happy to be alive. Feel about it for me. The video had a very positive five. It was very uplifting to me. Well that's one way looking at youth and up thing and unique way maybe of seeing it. I thought it was kind of. I thought both ways like one of our friends said to holly tom to take some happy pills with his with his songwriting. So few people have said you know a pretty sad sad song so again subject to interpretation right and everybody. Here's a differently at one time. I kind of heard it as a sea. Shanty was going to have the video end up in a pub with everybody. You know raising a glass and singing. Arousing sort of welsh chorus to it but I'm glad i didn't it It's kinda worked well. I feel the person's interpretation is comes on sleep from how they view death. And i saw this song and the video at celebration up to your friendship. Thank you so. I see it as positive and i can see how others would see it another way but the beauty of music it allows us your interpretation of song and kind of the way i mean i think everybody got. We're going to get really morbid now. Everybody's when whenever death rears its head in the conversation. And it's like where's the bourbon. We need another drink So it's one of those things where i had a very close encounter right after i retired. I was what. I was almost one of those guys you know. Everybody says oh. He just retired last week and he had a massive heart attack. And he's dead. What a waste. And i had a rather stressful situation and one of the things that happened during that time was richard was there and it's was one of those things that i had never experienced before. I mean holly. It was there with with richard and and she was telling me how you know how was in iraq to my situation and that came up when i was doing the song. The song was really put together from a perspective. Were allen the bass player at a very close friend. That died and i knew how close they were and sent an email of condolences and he thanked me. I don't think me. I said it's. It's often that everybody sends condolences to the family and the extended families of the deceased butts. In some instances friends are are closer than family for for people. And i said yeah maybe i mentioned allies that maybe we should get together and he said yeah that'd be great. Maybe we could you know clan and do a song or something and i sent him another email and i said what about this and i had written the versus while it was kind of happening so it just it was like a flush and she you know what i mean. The versus came out and he said gravy city. Let's plan getting together in a week. Attuned maybe we can come up with the chorus. And i hit the button again and i said how about this one and the whole song was written in in two emails and when it was done i was starting to work on the uranga on. I realized it. It wasn't a song for anybody in particular it was a song about was as everybody is aware of most songwriters writing about yourselves so it was a song about my friends and how about two in particular and all of all of the others i. It's it wasn't really that specific. When i when i played at the first time and and sent the lyrics to my friend dennis who is mentioned on the on the video. He's ninety seven and a half years old dennis. Long as i've known richard and he said all of the lyrics are wonderful but i haven't died yet and i'm using a little poetic license. You're gonna die soon. So what the heck. And that's one of his friends pointed that out. She said she said. I really liked the song. But it sounds like you dead and he said well you know they kind of mumble around it and she said well the good thing. Is you got song written about you. Should nobody's written the song about me and so it's kind of impact and then it was there and during it. I think i mentioned I did an interview with some michael balsam here for the local paper. Michael is a wonderful writer really. Dan did a good job. And we were chatting and i said you know. I think it was during that time. We kinda watching. Richard because we know somebody for a long time he started getting these little weird ethic and it was like okay you know. He's everybody's getting older and people have their idiosyncrasies and then was speaking to david and asking about rich in David was saying that he's not. He's sleeping allies. Got really bad headaches. Like really bad migraines and he's sleeping a lot and he was very very worried and it didn't it didn't that thankfully that didn't last last all that long so all this was going on the song was there and when richard i just went i got to do something about this and i asked permission. I think i mentioned earlier has from michigan to use it as a bit of memoriam to rich at the at the end and we did that dedicated the song to dennis as well and the first time that allen i got together to play their hit minute but there were a couple of tears shed you know you just kind of choked up because we knew it was about and i guess the good thing about it must be having an impact because it apparently it's making a lot of people cry so sorry in a in a sort of saw but i'm kind of not sorry if it's having an impact it's a good thing if you're amazing you know terry. I have don't doubt that this song is going to be very successful. Well i hope so. It's it's definitely recharge the batteries that cova drain slightly getting done seeing the results and getting so much positive energy from from people some that i haven't heard from in in quite some time. The kind of email from a a gentleman here in niagara on the lake. Gerry cole. Chuck said was just fantastic out of the blue and his What he said just kind of made me aware of the impact and the the article in the in the paper locally is interesting because a lot of people who have seen it and know what. It's what it's about. Because richard david moore in the community as as are all doing his husband. Graham an active in the community and they have been for a long time. so there's that aspect to it but there's also i don't know it's it's it's kind of interesting that it's re energize me as wall and i guess that's sort of the you know i'm i'm sure that all artists the matter what the media is you somebody goes out. And they haven't sold any of their for their work any of their paintings for a while and then suddenly somebody comes in and buys one or two and a lot of people are going. You always pretty good and he can. He can paintbrush that van gogh. And you know that's the type of thing that that is pleasantly unexpected so the positiveness that is in the song is being hopefully reflected in all this and it's kind of made me realize that this whole project. I think the first time. I spoke to you mentioned that it was. I was on a mission to complete con songs for men. And it's really. I wouldn't say urgency but it has placed me in a position where i'm going. You know what i. I need to get this finished. And they need to get the second one done quickly not to force anything. But it's it's been sitting on the shelf for awhile and it's time to get this one done because there's another one after that and the songs are there is gonna be a little tricky because we are snowbirds. So being able to do that is definitely not going to be happening by asking the guys pop in basement. So i'm figuring out some work arounds as you are well aware the techn- this technology fantastic and it can also be very very stressful and frustrating. Just even sure. Yeah it's it's it's a lot of things the migration of isa's begun an it probably is impacting the signals between cell phone towers. Or whatever you know so. We're going through that that kinda learning curve and one from one one perspective. Yeah it's it's very frustrating at the same time. Wow happening remotely. The quality is great. And it's it's allowed me to build out a business. Entrepreneurial startup called terry catton and three t. l. and it's reflected in the in the the people as i said the people that you get to work with you. I'm working with a wonderful Marketing group and that's really enabled me to focus on what i need to focus on The the the buzzer group. Is i like to call them. Tend to Take care of everything. I'm i'm not sure when When the sleeping is actually done but it's no comment but it's it's it's working and you know when you try and do it yourself unless you're a really good handyman. It looks like you're doing it yourself. And i think the the advantage or or the the momentum that seems to be happening right now is because i'm working very very privileged to be working with some people who are very professional and very quality conscious in what they wanna do and how they deliver it and if they have to learn something new to pull it off they do is just just working so know. what else. Do you wanna talk about more about you music to thank you for mentioning that. It's a really good trip Hope it continues for some time. Yeah and you know what this isn't your first success so take a little bright album that you released in the past Was nominated for two awards it was. It was the one i mentioned this before it was. I had the heart issue and the recording was meant to be a demo and it wasn't complete. There was no lead guitar player. No drummer and jim hill. The banjo player kept saying. But we gotta edit out to the nagara words. Music awards gotta submit. I'm glad he kept pushing for it. Because when i became ill we went ahead. Released it send it out got nominated for two thousand. Nineteen for of of the air and we kind of looked at that and went and pretty baby was nominated for song of the year was not wasn't song. I think it was country. Sonic the categories are very fluid and there are a lot of work for these people these individuals who i mean If you've ever staged an event trying to pull this these things off his incredibly difficult feet and then you think about it like working with musicians so it's like i'm gonna have a party and we're going to have two or three hundred cats that need to be wrangled and you know more power to him. If if some of the you know the songs are putting the wrong category or whatever Pretty baby came up as a country song. And which i guess it might be and so that was that was kinda cool and then There was one in holland. The play country music awards that i submitted your promised land with him. Some wonderful ladies from niagara on the lake. Stevens sisters who did the the backup vocals on it and I'm looking at the the magazine. That i just got to the mail. This week from From holland and Was nominated like in seven categories for that how on earth decided that those are the categories into something i guess only they know but it was nominated for like sun. Promise down was nominated for song of the year and a couple of categories listed in the in the magazine and then for the past year have been working with rosner management services who partner up with seltzer gan universal out of texas and phyllis who is salt again university universal. In in my opinion she and i were communicating text chatting and texting and stuff. She told me about the josie awards. And i'd never heard of them As a lot of people haven't and she said you gotta submit this because it's the largest country Music awards show outside of the cma's which are for signed artists. I guess and the jozies are about independent artists. And it's been running for seven or eight years. If i'm not mistaken it's it was huge. Had no idea. And so i i know i asked phyllis and then she helped me out and these are the categories where you shouldn't turned these. This is what you should enter. And she said don't give up because You know there are a lot of people. Well they had by their by their measurements. They had thirty eight thousand. Submissions and thirty eight thousand submissions. They do it all year. Apparently they test start taking submissions and almost as soon as the other show Wraps up and out of that. I think it's two point. Six percent are actually nominated so about fifteen hundred people. And i got nominated for promised land so well. Thanks thanks again. I mean i'm kinda surprised like it's you know it's kind of a you wanna say that you're honored privilege in your humble on an whole deal. I didn't anything that i just want like. Holly you know. wow yeah. there's a lot of very very very talented people that have been done this years and it goes back to what i was mentioning earlier. It's something something is is brewing. That when you when something is good and you're being directed from somewhere that you don't really understand but you can feel you gotta take advantage of it. So i plan on entering all this stuff again this year with some other other songs and see where it Let's let's see where it goes which is plugged for one of the signs on the second album by you know we'll we'll take it from. Take it from there and god willing. What have more people writing and saying. I listened to one of your songs. And i really liked it. I know i'm not the only one. That's looking forward to that terry. Great i am too so that makes to us awesome. Well thank you for coming on the show again. I love fall new music. You're an incredible songwriter. Well maybe i'll take some happy pills. He don't fix what's not broken. Well there are some some more uptempo songs that still have maybe a bit of a twist in them and there there are one or two that are just happy songs. I'm blessed to be here and happy to be alive. And there's you know i'm not letting go there's a tune that definitely doesn't have any dark aspects to it on the second call dance me in the moonlight so That'll be a different take for people. We'll see where i'm going to try to measure it. See if the dark sounds better. They attribute to holly. It could be third time lucky. Well that's amazing while you do have a signature sound. you can't place. That could be gospel country folk. It's terry kay. You have a signature sound. I guess that's a good thing. Thank you very much for the The time and the The support your ability to have people pay attention is Much appreciated. I spend a real pleasure. Thank you terry. Thank you for joining us. Have a great evening. You touche take care okay. That's a wrap. 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Mini-Ep 213: How To Do Nothing

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Mini-Ep 213: How To Do Nothing

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So i hope everyone can make it and if you can't it's going to be recorded so so they're all right anyway kate. How's it going well. I wanted to give an update on my quest to explore spirituality and deepen my connection to myself by journaling. i ordered a monogrammed journal and didn't really understand the sizing and so i've ordered a giant journal. Okay it's larger than standard paper size. It's about the same size as my thirteen inch. Laptop okay. that is large. It's a hardy journal. Hefty expecting it to be smaller. And you know it's kind of like It's a little bit. I don't know if an albatross would be the right word but it's a little bit of a reminder of my god and albatross neuro struggles of how i how i how. I can never quite do anything right. The way brain works. Oh i mean but truly. This is hi. This is something. I've kind of grappled with my whole life and as deepened my understanding of my adult. He d hd. It's all connected dory but you know. It's like what i ordered a frigging monogram journal. That is not the size. I thought it was gonna be so now. I have a laptop size hard cover journal. That is bright red bright red. I mean imagine like the cherry est reddest nails from nineteen eighty six and. That's the color of this. Not think it was going to be so bright or well. I originally ordered navy but they were out and it was gonna take awhile. Sounds like i kept like trying to order different journals and trying to order navy and every time the navy was unavailable and all that was available was bright red. And so i was like you know. Maybe it's a sign of just gotta like lean in to being like to the brighton as to the boldness the loudness and get this red journal. But i didn't mean for it to be huge so it just feels ridiculous like i kind of. I wanted to bring this traveling next week and be traveling across country has a while. I'm away and really kind of call my brain but now the journal. I'm have to pack this like five pound journal anyway. It's like why can't do anything right. But i'm but instead of i mean i can't send it back because i had it. My name. monogrammed ingold this fricking journal. So i'm just gonna lean into it. And i'm just gonna use the journal also. The pages are huge because it's such a big journal. It's like. I wrote in it last night for the first time i was like. What is this going to end like to get to the bottom of this page but the pages. It's a legal pad it's huge. I don't know okay first of all. I want to acknowledge your feelings about this journal. Keep i man not real problem to have a big journal. This is now life is okay. i think i don't know. I think something is going on with this journal here. Because i i hear that was not what you were expecting. And that is disappointing and frustrating but it does feel like your reaction to this is is perhaps disproportionate to what has occurred. I don't say that to minimise your feeling. Now i get it but maybe there's a way to reframe. You're thinking around the journal. Okay okay. I think first of all i would free yourself of the feeling of obligation to finish the page. Oh i know. But i have like a complete est. It might be like a tick of my ocd or something. But it's just so so then. Just start the next day right below. If you don't you don't want to waste page told you have this don't you. Do you get like journal. Obsessive about like you want like. I will have a very hard time. If i have to write like one sentence that goes onto the next page of the journal. This doesn't bug you at all. No you don't have the same meant. Oh i lake okay again. You're i think you're right in that. I can use this journals a place to kind of poke at the things that bug me and see what happens and force myself to be a little uncomfortable. Yes also k. The journal works for you. You do not work for the journal. You can do whatever you want with this journal. You can write a sentence on a page and have the okay. You can draw pictures you can really you. Can you can do whatever you want. There are no rules when it comes to journals like they do what you want them to do. You know it's so interesting. You say this because i love rules and so to be given permission to have no. Rules is actually not satisfying for me. It's terrifying then. Make up new rules. could you give me rules. Okay your first rule is you don't have to finish each page. Okay if you want to start a new day on a new page. I get that fine but you by no means have to finish a whole page especially since you're journalist so big. It's the size henry yet. That seems like a lot it to do. And i was writing with my fountain pen. And i have important. Update i hate the fountain pen ono. It's okay. I have other pens that i like. I just realized that as a left handed person the way i grip Pens and pencils. And the way i need to write a fountain pen is just like it's not built for the see. This was what i was concerned about. And you said that there were like special left-handed fountain pens a lot of people recommended these fountain pens. But yeah i. I mean i wish there was something that work but i feel like for us. Lefty is like we just have to accept to accept the lot we were given. You know what. I mean can openers or confusing us. Yeah and like whiteboards are annoying There's nothing. I hate more than people being like i. I got so organized with my family whiteboard. And it's good for you right handed person because shit does not work for me now like we have a calendar whiteboard and i have to fill it out backwards. Yes and it's fucking impossible so annoying. So yes you look. Could there be an inventor who invents a whiteboard for left handed people yet it would have to. Just here's the problem. It would have to have the ink think would have to dry so quickly. But then it's a whiteboard would have to be easily erased as to be permanent. Erasable dry fasting for us. It seems like i mean. This is a real. This is a real challenge for somebody to figure out like to go back to your journal. Ask i do also just want to float one other thing float away my friend. I'm hesitant to recommend this. Because so excited i wait. They say it's wasteful. I admit oh but have you thought about just getting a different journal. Have i thought about it. I already bought another terminal. Oh you know what i bought. A smaller navy blue journal by the same brand which is lack term. I can't say like nineteen ninety seven. They go a lovely journals but you know his dory. Once i had it in hand i was like no the red. The big red journal needs you right. Now it's like i was gonna commit to big red. I've got to do it okay. But it seems to be really upsetting deep. What i think. It's maybe also you know. I don't want to deal with the the numerous crises in the world. So i'm just focusing all my angst onto a journal that i understand you know a listener. I think or somebody i presume. A podcast sent me a meam today over instagram. And it was like a tweet that someone had written and it was like the ultimate reframe. I'm not spiraling. I'm twirling. And i just like it made me. It's not the best fighting the so twirling right now anyway. I appreciate you listening to me. Because i know there's like something going on underneath you know like yeah i know well. My life is fairly of rooted right. now. I'm about to travel with my children. My husband's out of town. I'm dog is getting surgery today. There's just a lot of or i don't know if it's surgery she's getting a tooth she's getting stuff done so there's just kind of this feeling of like on moored nece. Yeah i really get that. Well i know you've been trying to figure out ways to more yourself indeed. Been going anything as anything been working for. You is what i need to know. So okay so i have realized that i actually i really like the pre bed brandom Like i just like that. I think so. What i've done is i have my to do list posted. Its holding them up for you. Okay let me see are nice. It's like a big pad exactly so any post it. So i'm keeping that on my nightstand and i can just write stuff down so like this is today's and then i take it in the morning i take it off and i post it on my desk and then i put the to do's into amazing marvin. Oh interesting but then. I'm keeping the post it up on my desk while also having amazing marvin that tab open so this is this is. This might be working for me. Yeah on now. i did by journal. I bought also most well. I bought this most skin pro planner. It's a planner. it's not Can accessible right now. I do drink. And i just see it has pretty. I liked it weekly plan. It has monthly plan. It has a by this. She finding it has a bunch of different love if you had a lot of key. Findings long-term goals. Oh that's cool has a lot of different sections and then it has has activities. It has just things you can log. It kind of looks like it. Looks like a bullet journal with the with the Catholic everything kind of already filled out for you. I bet the i bet. This was created in response to the popularity of bullet journaling progress. It look it really looks like it was I have not written in it yet. Because i feel like this actually might be overkill. I'm gonna see how the posted an amazing marvin combo works for me. If i find that that is not working for me. I might give the the planner a ago. Would you just like Would you switch would you. What is the plan or substitute the sticky notes or the app. Amazing marvin good question. I don't know maybe the app. But like i like having the app. I like having things accessible on my phone. I don't want to have to constantly be carrying around this journal. Planner saying maybe you should buy the thing that i just bought the skylight. What's the skylight digital planner thing. It's a digital calendar that i've put in my kitchen so that everyone can see our calendars. As as you're saying that that could actually be really good for me. And matt i am. Anthony does not know about this purchase because he is not home right now but because it even with showing your calendar ahead to remove it for a hot second. But we don't need we don't he doesn't live here even though she lives at all our. Yeah i you know. I you can do. You can import your. It was the easiest set up. This is a digital calendar. That i bought that is essentially like a digital picture frame but it will show all your calendars so people can see what's going on each day And i find that. Turn it to the whiteboard dory this can you add things directly to the calendar does yes you know. And then it syncs with your calendar type typed onto the skylight and then it will wonder. I think i'm gonna get this. Yeah i think he's got this because this will be helpful for matt. This'll be helpful for me to know what matt's doing this we helpful for our nanny To know henry schedule. I have my kids schedules and i put our meals and it has a grocery list tab where you can anyone can just like t open it and type in a grocery. That's needed this is cool. I think it's cool. This is cool thank you. I think i might get this do it this. I bought this in a some sort of. I don't know if this was a targeted ad. But i actually think this is a great invention. I agree okay. You've blown my mind. All we wanna do is just stay on top of shit right. That's like all were seeking is just a little bit of organization in our lives and brains. It's true it's just have to find a system the faulk whereas the system is what. I need the system exactly. We're trying to find the system so anyway. Listen let's take a break okay. And when we come back. We're going to hear from some listeners. 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Which i will say is kind of like a shocking discovery You know like you don't really consider all the other hair on your body going gray like yeah head hair okay but like what about everything else so someone send us the besson. What about gray eyebrow. Hair her don't wanna pluck. Should i ask my stylist to put root touch up there. Should i ask my hairstylist. So this person is wondering if when they go to the hairstylist. Do you ask them to also die your browse so okay. This is an interesting question for me personally because my eyebrows are a couple different colors what colors they like. The the hairs will grow in blonde and then they change color like halfway through. That's very you have black hair. It's very weird. I have dark brown hair. Okay it's not black not black but it's very dark it's darker it's quite dark yes But yeah my eyebrow hair is multicolored. So i've always either have the died my eyebrows but not my hair stylists At an eyebrow place or just use an eyebrow pencil. Yeah you've had your eyebrows tinted though right. Yeah that's what i mean. Died cited gotta caveat using those interchangeably. Yeah i don't think eyebrow tinting last particularly long. It doesn't so i imagine it's like one of those things where the upkeep becomes annoying and possibly costly i would. I would recommend a good eyebrow pencil. that's kind of where i'm at too. Yeah like and you could do a nice combo of like the stick. A little flicky sticky or like a powder with a kind of waxy gel. Just really do 'em right I mean you could also talked to your hair stylist. And if if you're going in there i mean i don't know to hairstylists die eyebrows. Also i would imagine they do. I don't know it's kind of i feel. It gets a slightly different procedure. Yeah i would. I would ask your hair. Silas what they recommend. But i i think you could also tint on your own is kind of looking up brow tinting you may be able to tint on your own as well but i would say like also i think dory is right colored and and let them gray or just like lean into the grey eyebrow situation. I mean we'll see how. I feel when my eyebrows actually go cry. Because y'all i'll be in their tinting every morning another listener wrote to us and they said i've really loved your recent discussions about breaking free of the productivity above all else mindset. Can i recommend the book. How did you nothing by jenny. Odell as an amazing resource on this. It's a beautiful meditation on resisting. The materialistic capitalist obsession. Have you read how to do nothing now. i haven't i. I took her. I took it onto to the library and Didn't read it. Will you did nothing. Nothing to to to literally. It's interesting the book. The title of the book is how to do nothing resisting. The attention economy. Which i think is a really interesting Phrase that i've never heard. Yeah i think it's about you know resisting the all the noise from the internet and feeling like we need to be on display at all times. Yeah i will add this to my to be read list. Because it's something i am thinking about. You know it was interesting. I was listening to the most recent episode of busy phillips as podcast. And one thing they were talking about is the frustration of pressure being put on individuals as opposed to the systems for there to be change. And it's something. I feel like you and i have talked about in of definitely thought about like. It's obviously of course important for us to individually do change things in our lives that make an impact but it does feel like it's a symptom of capitalism worthy. The individuals always expected to like break free and nagrota the actual system. And that i. I wonder like is it futile when the system to try to do all these things if the system doesn't change i haven't obviously have not registered. This is not a commentary on her book or their book. I don't know their pronouns. But i'm i'm just curious as i as i consider this for my self you know like i don't know and i don't know if breaking you know we just spent like fifteen minutes talking about calendars we is that part of the productivity mindset or are we trying to conquer it it's probably part of the productivity mindset to be honest dammit. Yes sorry it's okay. It's just like an not ticket to ecstasy central. But i don't know we don't personally. I don't know another way and the the amount it would change change to have such a mental shift. Feels insurmountable to me totally. I agree now. This is this is unfit for better for worse culturally. I feel like how we are conditioned. Yes anyway i would like to resist all this stuff saying although fun fact next up we have a voice mail which is about buying things so i'm already exciting to buy the thing so i'm never gonna get out of this sicom all right. Let's hear from a listener. Who had a question about a product that they were curious if we have any experience with Cates end dory. i Am calling. Because recently i have been with watching guava facial. Asmar videos on youtube. The ones That are from east asia. That are the numbers are baseness asia and i originally start washing them. Because i wanna and how to wash out correctly. I'm obsessed with shine but these videos are so addicting and they actually helped me go to bed at night. Sometimes but what. I've kind of adopted into my nighttime routine is the face sponges. They used to cleanse their faith. In facial. I don't know if you've seen these or if you've used them but instead like a wash cloth or your hands to lake apply your cleanser it's like a foaming cleanser and they put it on. And they kinda wish in with the sponge and then kind of wipe it off with a sponge. And i got some and they're amazing. It's a changed. The game completely changed. How i wash my face so just wondering if y'all were into that or if you've heard about it or if your listeners are into it but love the podcast and then things kale thoughts okay. I actually a while ago. Purchased from the detox market dot com owed city or. I don't actually know how to say the name of this brand oda site. I say owed acidy but it sounds like i'm saying audacity od a c. I t. I apologize for not knowing how to pronounce the name of this brand. But they sell. They have facial cleansing. Sponges which i have used. And i like they are reusable biodegradable And you can use them for about. They say three to five months so i'll just kind of keep one by my sink. I like it i would. I would be interested in using a sponge. We also i also very into contact sponges for awhile for face washing. And i like those well. Maybe it's time to revisit sponges. Actually this kind of this. This appealed to me. Because i do feel like. There's such a frenetic way that i wash my face just like as we've discussed the splashing on the scrubbing of the flannel brace. A sponge sounds very gentle. Yes sponge scenes. Nice but are you using these days story. What's your tool for washing. Yeah i will either. Use a wash cloth or i will just slash water on my face. Okay that's kind of where. I'm at to what i kind of heard this listener. Saying though is like their face washing experience in the evening has become kind of like a calming ritual. So i imagine they're like taking their time and using the sponge and having a sensory experience which does sound lovely. And i will admit. I've never sponged myself in that way it does does sound lovely well. I look forward to your your explorations in sponges. You're not gonna sponge. That's not for you. i don't think so okay. That's fair. Did you ever try face. Sponge okay here's a question in approximately nineteen ninety two. Did you ever own a face. Washing brush that was like plastic and then the end was circular and ahead like soft bristles. And you would put your cleanser and then wash your washer on your face a clara. Sonic no no no no like. I'm talking early nineties. You used it like. Was that a fad for you. This was like a very formative. Part of my like initial introduction to skin care was like in seventh grade. The cool girls had face washing brushes. I don't remember this okay. If anyone else out there had a face washing brush. See if i can find an example but i don't know it's not a clear. Sonic it was not electric. It was analog manual. I don't know it was great. 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Better help professional better help dot com slash feber. Thirty five all right. We are back with a question. High catton doors started listening to the pod. Early last year and it has been a lifesaver during this time. Despite wearing a mask all day my skin has never looked so good quite honestly. My patients and spouse are probably sick of hearing about it all that to say. I have been diligent about sunscreen application. But alas i got a sunburn when i was out doing yard work. I had on mineral sunscreen and hat if you're wondering yes is alarmingly fair. A cursory check of the website didn't yield. Any results sunburns apologies. If i missed it so please. What do i do once. I actually have a sunburn help you both are the best. Couldn't get this glow without you. Well that's a nice compliment. Thank you is nice for saying that. What a great question. What do you do after the sunburn. Because liens i can answer this for myself have you have you had a sunburn recently. Not recently but i can tell you when i when in the past whenever i would get a sunburn i would just slather on some aloe vera gel. Yep i feel like that's that's the answer. Yeah i would look in to what like go to your local pharmacy and buy out like pure aloe vera. I think is perfect. You know like My kids love sunbeam products. For some reason. I've gotten i have some sun bums dumb For henry yeah. They and they make a really nice like after son care cream. I wouldn't go crazy because your skin is so Is irritated that. I wouldn't like loaded up with products especially like i wouldn't put just any old lotion on it. Because oftentimes slow. You might have alcohol in it and that's gonna stinger your skin again. Not an expert but just for my own skin experience. My mom used to put vitamin e. On me when i got sunburn like pure vitamin e. oil So i would just be really gentle and caring with that skin and then also completely cover up. Yes and reapply re apply. You said you had on mineral sunscreen and hat. May i also suggest you try different sunscreen. If that one didn't work for you. Yeah yeah yeah and just like keep you can also keep a little sunscreen stick in your pocket and just rub it all over your face but Not getting sunburned is a lot of work. Which is why. I think i spent the first seventeen or eighteen years of my life sunburnt of rain now. I mean i've told you about how i put baby oil on and went suntanning with my friends right when i was like sixteen and my entire body sunburned so badly i couldn't sleep at night. You've minister told me that. I do stuff like that all the time that that i never did but i do feel like i. I used to get sunburned way more than i should have. Yeah anyway if anyone has any sunburnt hips lad on us because this is a right. This listener is right. We have not talked about sunburn. Care no we have not. And i wonder if that's because the world is so sunscreen diligent. Now that it's less of a hot topic that it was pudding fewer sons. Several i would when i was a kid i would wear. Spf four like spf. Eight was maybe what like the heavier. Spf that we were putting on like what is that. It's not anything i remember. Spf eight s pf. Eight eight l. o. l. o. Those were the days we received a voicemail. Someone challenging us to essentially a cooking competition. And i wanted to play it because i have some questions and then i will. I will accept the challenge. I didn't elizabeth and north carolina. I'm not going to say the word panties. But i had to stop and paul and address kate over enthusiastic dislike a omelette A beautifully prepared omelette is a thing of great wonder. So this i know. You've been working on cooking thumb. I am challenging you to do some research. Learn about the proper way to cook on let and the difference between overcooked eggs and appropriately cooked eggs. That are still soft and lovely on the inside and then tell us about how. You're all turned out because they are fabulous. When done correctly and dori. I agree with you. on an omelette station because so many people have kind of bizarre fear of eggs that are even the tiniest bit off they do tend to though that's the secret i am enjoying. It died all the time line driving around my job. Thanks for what you do and I'm from homeless on well. Okay now listener first of all. You didn't give me any direction here on how to like. What is the proper way to cook an omelette. I mean i guess. That's the challenge. I have to do the work myself. Okay so i googled had a cook an omelette and i found like a length the new york times breakdown so i'm gonna follow their tips since it's the gray lady and i feel like they'll like you know let's start. Couldn't find like a america's tau look for like eight america's test kitchen. And i'll look you know. We'll do a little bit of digging but it didn't say anything like it's just go slow and kinda like jiggle. The eggs around some not convinced. It's going to make an amazing omelette. I'm skeptical is what i am saying dory i hear that look i don't now i don't know the answer. One thing i did read. Is that if you want fluffier on let you could cut up berry cold butter and put it into your egg mixture after its whisked. That sounded appealing. Ooh that does sound appealing. Because in that butters going to melt as you cook me omelette like into the eggs so i might try that but like okay i will try an omelette but i'm not convinced i'm gonna like it if i cook it properly. That's all i'm saying you can also like you know. Whip the egg whites and then fold the yolk in and stuff like that but again this listener gave no direction. It's true so you gotta tell me which way you want me to go. And then i will do. I will cook the omelet. And i will try this out kate. This has been a pleasure as always. I'll write about it in my journal tonight. I can't wait not just don't forget you. Don't you take a whole page. Okay thank you for your permission. I will just hear your voice gently nudging me and my my head as i write. Text me if you need additional thank you. I honestly my because serious. It's a big page. All right bile.

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Mini-Ep 238: The Merest Hint of Shiny

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Mini-Ep 238: The Merest Hint of Shiny

"Today's episode is brought to you by homegoods. I mean. I am so excited to get to talk about one of my favorite places on earth. Quite frankly i love homegoods. Because i love love love shopping for stuff that makes my house feel more like me and more like a home. I'm definitely nesting more. Which is a lot of fun. But i want to do it without you. Know spending an arm and a leg they always find something. I love that is affordable at homegoods. I'm actually looking around my office right now. At a variety of adorable decorative pieces. That i picked up at hungerthon. It's also where. I go to get holiday decorations and seasonal stuff. There's like an air of what could be a homegoods storage just inspires new ideas and ways you could decorate your space and it's where you can create a new space for yourself and probably discover piece of you've been craving maybe a piece you've didn't even know you're craving and with things source from all over the world. 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We're not We are two friends who like to talk a lot about serious. That's it and this is a mini episode. Where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts and answer your questions to the best of our ability. Indeed and please remember. We're podcast hosts not experts and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed. If to reach us our voicemail and text message number is seven eight one five nine one zero. Three nine zero added to your phone. 'cause i love about dial we get them. We get butt dial. An our email is thirty. Five podcast at cheam l. dot com. I guess also love. But email. I i feel about email is a bit more rare but i but i you know what if you're by status in email. Yeah we welcome but emails. Oh yeah okay busy with and also please remember you can visit our website thirty five podcast dot com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. If you go to episodes tab on our website you can click on the latest episode. You'll find everything we talk about you. Follow us on twitter for that pot on instagram at firmer. Three five podcast. You join the fiber thirty-five facebook group at facebook dot com slash groups slash rubber thirty podcasts. The password serums and you can sign up for the newsletter for thirty. Podcasts dot com slash newsletter. So i have like fifty different things about jet into. I mean which direction could i go. And could i tell you about my really. My favorite body moisturizer a trader. Joe's i mean. Could i tell you about my and option. There's so much also there's so much okay so there is a lot okay. I'll talk about two things. Okay so number one. I have if you've listened to this podcast at all over the last one hundred years you know that i hate my nails they are. I have short neil. Dad's my nails are incredibly weak paper thin and i've been on a journey to try to have nails. I've gotten all sorts of a hard gels gel x extensions. I've gotten what stuff called powder. Dip and i feel like i have. Maybe figured out. The answer shall continue. I'm listening okay. I i went to a new nail place now. This is a recommendation from friend of the pod. Jackie johnson host And niche influencer. A host of natch. Butte she goes to a place called. 'em blush beauty and pasadena's if your local to the los angeles area There is a little rock for you and and they did an amazing and explained to the gentleman who during my nails who's also the owner was like. Listen here's the deal. My nails are paper. I don't need the. I don't want extensions. But i want them to be hard so like they kind of grow and don't break and i had gone somewhere a few weeks ago where they had lake kind of up sold me on something and he was like. You didn't need this anyway. So you know what. He did how he did at talk to me. He added extra coats of gel. That's it so i have a regular gel manicure. Sure surest the extra coats. Because when i press down on my fingernails the bend again like paper they are no horror. I can't open a can of soda with my fingernails. But right now i hand because i have extra layers of john and he also added like a strengthening layer. Ooh i really. I want to say i appreciate this option because it has the affordability of irregular gel manicure. This manicures harlem worked with me really listened. I felt very seen like. Sometimes i always feel embarrassed because you go get your nelson. They're like whoa. Your nails are weak or whatever it is and it's always like i can't help high genetic he didn't nail shame. Shame you know was like nail acceptance. And i didn't feel i always feel embarrassed for some reason. So he suggested taking breaks from the gel so just so males. Don't get even more week So i'll probably do that again. I will cut them short because my nails are long. They rip but right now my nails look. I think the best they've ever looked and like how i dreamed of. How can i see them please. Yes even took a picture to share in our instagram. Will this they look now. You're looking at them. And you're like oh they just like a normal person's short now manicure but for me. I've had to grow my nails law like minos long or another person's short nail i realize. Okay okay this is not a big problem to have but since the age of seven i have been self conscious of my nails when my one of my aunts we are on our way to a wedding and one of my aunts was like. Do you buy your nails. They're never gonna grow. When i was like a and so from that moment on neil embarrassment. Wow we talked about this rate heloc. One moment from your childhood influences how you still feel the forty year old adult. But i don't think i ever heard these specific nail insecurity origin story. Well also i never had like you know. People have hot nails like people naturally have amazing nails and i have like we stumps and also my mom used to be like your hands are just like my grandfather's like i don't this isn't hell now now anyway. So that's my that's my current nail story. I feel really like. I don't know i just and it also feels good to have nails. That are strong. Because it's really annoying. When your nails are constantly ripping around yes totally good to talk about. You know what i am. Glad i could be here for you and then you know i will just shout out. This awesome fricking moisturizer from trader. Joe's that i love it's true. Okay trader joe's hydrating highly roenick body gel cream. And here's my i like it. That's a lot. That's a mouthful it is. It's super lightweight. And it's not greasy so i can put it on right after a shower and then get dressed and not feel like i'm a lubricated like a sausage getting ready to go in the oven you know like i feel just absorbs and it's just like a great daily moisturizer. I use it every day. Keep it on my dresser looking at the trader joe's website six ninety nine for twelve ounces. You can't beat that now. You know he also next episode. I'm talking to you about shampoo bars. Because i've got one to recommend as well lou all over the plow. You are. yeah. I'm into it. There's a lot happening over here now. Let's transition because we are coming out of russia. Shana correct today. It's is it. Dan yes well. Today is the second day of russia shana. okay As a reformed jew. I generally don't celebrate the second shana but some people do I did make two round. Hollas looked beautiful. You sheridan image. Did they tasted really good. Too i feel like i'm having my sort of annual high holiday religion. Melancholy where i feel like i'm not part of a community and you know i don't have family here so it's sort of like exacerbated by that my husband's not jewish and is not particularly interested like nor should he be you know what i mean like. He's not required to be interested and he's not converting so it's not like it's his now right You know. I tried joining synagogue. I was a member for like a year. Unfortunately few months coincided with lockdown so. I feel like i didn't really get the full experience that i also felt like it wasn't it turned out. I don't think it was really the right place for me and you know a lot of places aren't doing as many persons services anymore. But i am going to in person services for young kippur with a different synagogue. That some of my friends do go to so. I'll be curious to see how that goes. And if you like it. Would you consider pursuing membership of that synagogue. Yeah i would consider it. I guess like. I don't know maybe part of the problem is like i don't really know what i'm looking for. Yeah it's kinda like. I'll know it when i see it but i didn't feel super welcomed by this other synagogue and i think that kind of like affected how i felt about it so anyway. Yeah so that's just sort of like where i'm at and i don't know we'll see. I'm sorry you're feeling melancholy. I think i get. I'm realizing i think i'm a person who gets melancholy around holidays i can relate. Yeah for sure like the app holiday as well no like well you know what it is. I feel like. I always dropped the ball on like making plans and the in the weeks leading up to it. I am not really thinking about it. And i don't really care and then the holiday happens. I'm like oh. I wish i like having dinner with some people. Or you know what i mean. And it's just like oh whoops and i think because i don't have like i think family is often the default right for allergies. And when you don't have family where you live. You have to make more of an effort. And i just like have not gotten that memo despite living in los angeles for eight years and this happens like every year. So you'd think would've caught on by now but apparently i haven't so well i don't know this will like lead to changes and i also think it's extra challenging to try to set something like this up right now. We're still in sick. You know totally so. That's a whole other layer. So that's and that's and then also as a whole layer of melancholy to totally. Yes yeah sorry. I don't know thanks. I'd love to hear from like other people. Yeah they navigate the stuff Especially if their spouse does not share their religion. Yeah that's really interesting relationship experience. I imagined my my husband. And i are both essentially agnostic but having one person have a religious having a religious practice and the other person not participating just an interesting dichotomy. Yeah all right. Maybe we'll get some full house. 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Ten terms apply all right. We are back and we have an email. Y'all got contact dermatitis on my eyelids and my dear facialists said it's from my dirty makeup brushes. I thought it was just dry skin. But no i've never been good about cleaning. My brushes. is anyone she said do it. Weekly i cannot imagine a world in which i do this and he tips exo exotic so love you babies. Oh there's nothing worse than when like you have something like this in someone's like oh it's because you don't do this thing you know there's a there's a now that you were shamed about it feeling responsibility totally but i also feel like it's one of those things where you're like like our see for myself. I'm like oh. I don't really need a clean and make up russia's like no one else is using them like they're fine and then it turns out. Oh wait you actually do. Apparently linlin has like a very clear example of why that needs to happen. I remember early. Guest jessop. blades can can't remember if she talked about this on the show. But i feel like sh i have had a conversation with her about cleaning up russia's and so there was like a period where he tried to good about it and like i think now i put on makeup so rarely that just i just cleaning. My brushes is like the last thing on my mind. I mean i have make up in my makeup. That's like five years old. I mean if not older clearly were not the best Role models in this regard. But i did just like a quick google and like you can what i would recommend to this. Listener is like first of all. Just go wash your brushes and i. I now need to do this. And i was just going to use like don soap and just wash them brush them. But you can go on. Ulta beauty sephora target anywhere and there are makeup cosmetic brush cleaners. And i don't own any of these but there's even like a spray where you just spray on and then wipe so you could maybe keep that near your brushes and do that. You know once a week if you're really on top of things. I believe that is what makeup artists do and like the film few times. I've been near makeup artist. I feel like they are always cleaning their brushes they. I bet they're so good. But i click on sephora captivate. I know it's their professional tools. But like over insofar. There's literally offense so i guess we all have to do this. This feels like floss. But for make cy right. Like i just don't wanna know it's better for everybody if we do it. Yeah who wants to do this. A gosh. all s- okay. Here's a an email that we got very excited about high catton door. I have the perfect suggestion for the listener looking to make showers more enjoyable. Try using a shower steamer. They are essentially bath. Bombs made for your shower a love taking baths in using bath bombs but in my first month as a new mom. I've had to settle for a nice hot shower. That is when i can get one. You can find shower. Steamers on year old amazon choppy or my personal favorite are from a small black owned business called soul bomb sisters and included a link and said the leave it to lavender scent is divine. Well guess who's waiting for. Their showers steamers from seoul. Bomb sisters to arrive in the mail. Uh-huh hello i'm excited. And they offer. They have three different sense and they offer like a two of each Package for for right. Now it's thirty dollars on sale. So i will definitely use and report back. There's a lavender. There is something called ascend awake. And then there's eucalyptus and men the ascendant awake. They say as grapefruit and lang lang oud. Who doesn't sound nice. I does saw nice though. Thank you for this suggestion i will. I will try it out when they araya. That sounds lovely. And i was also told by. My children's pediatrician at bath. That bath bombs are not great for vaginal health. They can be irritating really. Yes because wow okay so just just interesting fact that i learned about bath bombs interesting. I'd never heard that well. You know you're like it's like sense that you're putting into the tub and then you're getting in there all naked and you can see how it might be eurasia lying to people skin. Yeah totally like it makes sense. I just never thought about it. I hadn't either. No i mean either. all right well. Shall we share this voicemail. That is dedicated to you. Love your i love your size Say hi hat hadn't door this is rosy from sacramento california and i've been a long time listener Since early days of the pot and early twenty seventeen me along company rather I kept you along on my long run. That was training for a marathon but I have a question about the right way to apply i three. I listened to that by The the particular statement that dorje mentioned when she had her facial. And i'm still not following it other than the fact that you have to go from the outside and can somebody please posted video. Maybe to install or to your website I was confused and towards the end of it. When you said something about your eyebrow bone Because i don't really i agree on the top of my eyes so I'm a little baffled. Would love video season all show. I can't imagine on only one compute. The things so much love the pod. Thank you ladies who always give me a great day. They say all right well. Video has been requested. I can make that happen. Kept that ring. Light turned on. Get that eye cream out and you get to work dory. I up to work. I can't i envisioned it and actually now every night. When i put ice cream i think about you being told this and i've started putting it from the outside in but i use my pinkie finger and i just dab it from the corner of outside corner of my eye to the inside corner of my eye like avoiding the i obviously following that line yay. Yeah is that right. That's fine and outside. I guess outside in is the key and then you go. Are you also doing like a notary euro-row. She said she said not to go all the way around. You just like there's something about holding pressing really hard on the brow bone in two specific spots even doing this is very hard to describe on audio. It is that's why we're going to get to work for us. I won't that be. Yeah i will get to work. I will make it Okay so that's that's all right etcetera done all right all right. Shall we take another break and then we we have a less new moisturizer on the way on. I can't talk. let's take a break all right. We're back with the aforementioned. Hey i was calling with a question but also just i dunno i. Guess commentary or self-reflection With respect to moisturizers I have just found out that. It appears that they want the a lot. Which is Always say this wrong but away hurt. Son their shares transformation moisture. I guess being discontinued its on sale. At sephora but none available out of stock everywhere and i'm very upset but i love it because it why and not a gel formula and anyway i thought it and i'm trying to figure out what to do to replace that and i'm finding that i don't know there's all these gills and water trains and i just don't want an also everything seems today about making me look duly and maybe it's just not age but i don't want to look deary i i mean maybe because like you know when i was young i'm forty two and i guess i feel like growing up. I was oily skin. And so i always was wanting to not oily and now everything is all about looking and i still i. I've spent my life trying to not look shiny. And now i'm supposed to and harmless very sort of confusing on an excess until level And wondered if they'll have thoughts or a fiennes on and you have that anyway. Having a great we think by look. I also have this sort of like generational thing going on where i'm like. Wait a second we were we were. It was like drilled into our heads to have a matt matt skin yup forever and like the the merest hint of duino quote unquote was like so taboo. I mean we're talking blotting papers. Yes those blind talkers. Everything oil free like it. It's just so funny how. It's just like flipped. So i totally feel you on this. It's been a real shift for me to not want my skin to look like paper. Oh my gosh. I mean it's truly when i put on that glossy a super do i like i look girly shimmery greece and i like it because that is like. How mentally adjusted icu. On camera and i'm like and i'm like you're glowing. You look great but it is. I mean if you saw me in person. I would just dunked my face into a vat of canola oil. It completely different this listeners. So i i really appreciate you doing this shift because it's really bonkers when you've been like trained to think one way and then every that doesn't really bonkers. I'm having this with jeans. I'm having this with jeans but we'll talk about that in another episode. Yeah so we see you have a recommendation for this listener. Okay so i win a little bacher. So i got like really worked up about this yesterday. It like bugged me because this is a very popular product. I've never heard of this this moisturizer before but doing some research. It's very popular. So i checked on. I i went to skin school and looked for dupes and the first one that came up was is clinical and it was like three hundred dollars. I was like this is not gonna fly. I mean unless listener. You'd want to go to town. The closest duke was like very expensive but one that was a little bit farther down. The line was fresh is vitamin c glow moisturizer which retails for forty seven dollars. Which i think is about in the range of what. This ole henriksen moisturizer cost. They don't think it would be a massive bump But it seemed like that. The ole henriksen cream is very vitamin pact. Which i believe this is as well so that might be worth checking out. But i have to say like the my dupont kind of led me down a lot of dead ends. I was looking for products. That i couldn't find her. There were also discontinued. So then i called ole henriksen customer service and got on the phone with a very nice person. And i asked i. You should have heard me. Try to explain what i was doing. Like a podcast and then trained out liberal It sounded bonkers but they searched in their system and it doesn't turn up so because they didn't know if it was discontinued but when they searched for it it wasn't listed so then i reached out to the pr rep. Who's in charge of ole henriksen products. And i introduced myself and i said i need to know what is going on with this frigging moisturizer amazing and they have not responded so i will let you. I will keep you posted. Because i just said like what is this being discontinued. We have a listener. Who wants to know. And if it is like what is an alternative product that you would recommend so if anyone at the ole henriksen company including ole henriksen himself wants to respond we are. We await your answer. We do with bated breath. Well we have a final text. Do you or your listeners. Have any advice regarding attending an in-person funeral in the near future. i'd be coming from a covert hotspot. It's an important funeral to attend and travel by plane would be needed. I largely follow extra recommendations regarding cova safety. But i don't anticipate that being the case for the funeral or many attendees my plan b. to wear masks stain hotel alone. But did you hug. How can you not hug and yet how can you hug wearing a mask feels weirdly insensitive to the loss and yet cannot wear one. Maybe no one would care. And i'm just over thinking it thanks. I think you can hug it a mask especially if you're both masked but sh this this listener saying that. They're not sure that's right. The other attendees will be masked i think. If you're in a good mask you can hug. Yeah i would. I would get a canned ninety five or k if ninety four not a cloth mask especially if everyone else is not going to be masked than i need really good mask you suit up in some hardcore mask armor. I like the well before. Well before for For masks if you're if you're looking i think you should. I think you should do it. You're you're coming from a hot spot but you yourself are not engaged in it. Sounds like and behavior that's left you exposed and You're gonna wear mask. You get yourself a good math. You're gonna stay in a hotel alone you're gonna wash your hands and then yeah you hug. And i don't think wearing a mask is going to be insensitive. So i think You are doing that out of the kindness of all the people who like. You're doing that out of kindness to all the other people who are there to celebrate and remember this person so i know it feels weird. I totally get that part that feels insensitive but ultimately i think it's actually very gracious Thing to do. Yep and we're sorry. We're sorry that you're going through that. That's sorry for your loss. Now well daury. I'm we should end now. Said hey you can go make the. Let's let's do that all right. Everybody thank you so much for listening. Oh you know what. I did have an activity of the week story for this episode. Oh did you yes. We gotta wash our crushes wash your rate. That's great activity. Lat this episode. Be a reminder to go pull him out and give him a scrub. Yep yep yep great idea. Kate all right bye bye.

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Ep 21  A life changing watch with William Adoasi

Together Podcast | A conversation about faith, justice and how to change the world

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Ep 21 A life changing watch with William Adoasi

"Able to represent me impacted and benefit someone else as opposed to just myself so so yet from the beginning a home-ice as to flip an industry which is off convincing self-indulgent and shot how you can actually be selfless hello and welcome to the together focused conversation about faith justice and how to change the world. I'm Dan in today. I'm joined by High Catton Chris. Welcome to two thousand twenty guys. How was your Christmas like I was ill for like a WIG Blake Blake? Yeah but it was like I want to do is like sleep I I I I just I am face left. So basically we're I think more fade. I'll tell you I love Christmas. Love the whole thing. I also really like putting Christmas decorations. Away in piecing cannot family about as well go then just one minute past midnight. Yeah Yeah we actually. We certainly raking by your guys down or with really really hard to treat trae. I forgot ticket. Dial likes mostly unacceptable. Do you think now how this goes down his team Miss Christmas as well say Stephanie. Tayo yeah well. You are the authoritative voice on Christmas decoration. I think on this episode. We'll be hearing from William Dorsey. Who's the founder of Vitton London which is a watch brands? That changes lives so Williams spoke to Chris about the story behind creating the company and all. He's learned about ethical entrepreneurship before we get to the interview. It's time for what in the world. Welcome to what in the world where we discuss some of the big talking points from recent news stories and obviously a couple of weeks into twenty twenty were still now reflecting twenty nine hundred and I feel that we can still reflect even though we're halfway through January so we thought it'd be good just to share some things that we saw in twenty nineteen or listen to or read series books podcasts that inspired oxygen in some way just to share with you in case you missed them you might want to see him as well and say guys put you on the spot. Chris what was your Thing to watch listen to or read in two thousand nineteen as funny because before we because of this. I was struggling to one of the best things I saw last year. I love of Mother Toba for like a few days. I WanNa things I did. When I was out there I went to watch a Ballet productions expected to hold serve. I'm not likely really what was like. It'll be like Europa which is Smashing together as obviously like you. Euro further the Fang and Uraba. The she's like a a tribe from Nigeria. Okay so yeah so it was cool. Da Dan and then start and it was like mad intense. You've ever been fair. where like the actors ally staring you guys hoping was kind of about? It was about refugees and Refugee Johnny is like and Yeah it was just free actors very minimal set so powerful I remember. Relation is worse than it like. Wow like that we oversee. Just what should news and you hit you. See you see the newspaper headlines and stuff like that and we're quite disconnected format. She was what journey is like to have to leave your country and yet it was very hard and made me very Li- feel very humble boot at the kind of like postcard One I'm an site really just really maybe just kinda think there's to the point where it's like. He the direct speaking afterwards and he said you know if two people in like Syria like a hundred years ago fifty years ago ever ever with the I've ever expected this to be their reality and so Brainwashing of light didn't take what you've got for granted and obviously when it comes is it the discourse of it. I do as much as possible to to speak the positive side of it to make sure you're seeing people as people in just this blanket refugee. Tom coach. Now I saw this really good opera. I really a semi resolution. Last year was to read a book a month. Stink quite make it ten which is a real improvement which noise more than I usually read in reading Eh. Yeah so I am very well read in culture two but just a Taylor stood out. One was Garden City by John. Mark Coma Emma and it's a book all about how God cools to work and have a healthy relationship with work and so looking at Genesis S.. Where man is literally made to work the ground and then looking through what that means for us as humans to have according to the workplace? It's really interesting because you you kind of stumbled through the nine to five sometimes and it becomes part of your reality and you just do it. This was really interesting just to reframe some of that and saying whatever whereas like literally any job that you're doing you've been put on us by God today so that was a really good one would recommend that to people and then the other one I read was a book called Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport which looks at I mean the titles quite self explanatory but looks at how technology and particularly Internet influences Decisions and the way we think in a way that we live and so. There's a lot of kind of advice and tips in there for for stripping some of that technology back from from your life but the general idea rather than just completely cut everything out forever. It's about making sure we're conscious. Who has the power and a lot of the power is held by these big technology energy companies? Who decide what we say? And what we all that kind of thing and just making sure that we're thinking okay. How what we consuming here and while we consuming it and who's who's telling us what to do into think so those two really good books particularly the Star of New Year? I think when you're just looking ahead to the twelve months. Awesome what you do work and how you view life would recommend those cap. Yes those are. Those are very interesting resting and for me. I've been listening to a few different podcasts including the swamp Chris we yeah so one of the one of the podcast I've loved and I've been enjoying law is cooled Congress Cafe Okay and is done by past Goto song and she just walks to normal people in church. Sometimes she gets guest speakers and they're really inspiring but I think I just really enjoy the fact that is just normal. People do the same kind of thing is we do says easy to relate to them but also it's how they pursue God's Pappas in Lebanon during However one that really stood out to me was one move on Chad adventure that she did when he was run in London and he was still can all about healing and he has a daughter who is actually like very very sick and I think the adults basically said she'll probably won't live very long and she'll never be able to speak to appropriate for Iran to be honest and say like they have to go through this whole Massa journey of like praying for him and he just said you know I believe a healing for her and I pray for her every day? She was seven years old. She still con- Spe Way. He speaks about has she. She communicates so major for my eyes and then he said I just one thing that really starts meetings. I pray for heavy day and I know that God is GonNa heal her. When Scott's timing and it could be on Earth Way could you've been heaven and I was like Whoa I say credible 'cause I often think if we're praying for something then we we gonna see now early not gonNA actually if we get discouraged about healing because someone may be didn't survive that doesn't mean they know who they are healed and they are in heaven with Jesus sl yeah for outside waiting credible sounds really interesting? And we'll we'll put all of our suggestions in the show notes just so you can have a little look through and check Patas well but for now. Let's Gillian Chris's conversation with St Louis Hey So my name is William Addressee. I'm twenty nine years old. I'm the founder of a what spin could be tate London vitas Latin for life hyphen whole mentioned fashion. Burn changing lives so each resell. We help support charter education across sub Saharan Africa. Amazing listen that was like Pr. We are pressed down. There's no how did you land on that name oversee like you said. The tagline fashioned rationed Brennan changes lives wise that some pointing to you. Yeah so I guess meows working with job in the city as making really good money by Goto point where Monday Monday alone just wasn't doing it for me. I'm Hattie live for a bigger purpose. I had to live four for more than just earning money And kind of the idea idea for the business stemmed from my father story so my dad grew up in a remote village in Garner was the first in my family line to learn to read and write. This broke like a cycle of poverty that was affecting us for generations. I'm kind of inspired by his story for straight with my workplace always loving watches uh-huh I'm kind of combined all of these areas so as I said the veteran's life so I just wanted to to ensure that everything we did everything we built was around changing being lives. Impacting lives. So yeah when we sell a watch we provide a full set of school uniform for a child or we provide so light meaning that they don't have to travel for hours will overn harmful fuels in order to study here. Also as isn't that I mean always took a bit more about the wishes. I I've you said you always light washes man I love what was it about. What is really good this? This is what I WANNA do. I guess S. is what's funny is veto. London was initially going to be a clothing brand occurrence. So I'd I designed the whole range of t shirts were ready to go and then then I stood back in. I realized that it just didn't inspire me that much. Let learn how could I push it to inspire others So I wanted to go into a niche area that I hadn't didn't seen done as often. I wanted to do something that I would genuinely really passionate about. So Yeah I've always loved watches I guess at first the fear was it's a market that I could potentially enter higher barriers but that inspired me to want to do more also that it's a more compelling story to tell you say that's that's why watches Lewisham and like you said so you fool in children education in South Africa with House of Wells right profit organization. How did that come about? Yes so in. So linked with two charges at the moment so one could have wells. One could could pen to paper Garner as well and those were just they would literally relation relationship based so with House of wells it was started by two pastas justice from the UK who just felt got to say and that they should travel to the other side of the Welton dot this region. Their stories wild and the Childr- ah one of the children of the Pastas is the same age as my wife. They grew up together and they went on one of the first ever trips out there just to see see what they were doing and the kind of inspired by that I ever trip. We were sending money every single month to support children. I'm in partnership with them. And then yeah just just with mileage you put on your mind is just looking at how we can scale our impact. I'm doing it fruit. Social Enterprise business seemed to be the most logical year and as on us on the part of your narrative. Johnny Frat you'll try. I'm you start at Lucca. Sports Academy heading here and you're a library is as a about kind of entrepreneurial mindset where like you said you took a Bentley inspiration can get that as well what is it that like kicked it inside inside of you and said the looming. Five laugh isn't for me. I'm not even sure. Sometimes I wish I could just work nine to five genuinely. I wish I could finish inch. Were five or six clock out totally go home. Watch netflix style. Be The dream blonde. I don't know there's just something in me. That just can't do that. I think I think I was just made to be an entrepreneur. cheesiest that sounds I H we've new ideas I've done this. I did this like shrimp. Find on the test recently and the big things that came up to me were strategy and vision so like that's just why I enjoy the most. That's what energizes me so. Yeah that's why I'm an entrepreneur is difficult to define it right because you're even before I was here. I worked as a youth worker for five years and I'll go into classrooms Russians and Oslo a group of twenty young people. Would you do in your own or Japan is okay. So what does that mean what. You WanNa do entrepreneurs so people he might Mi- might have an issue feeling like. I think. This is something that I'm interested in or wanted to. Could you explain a a bit more. What is the reality will be entrepreneurs? So yeah the reality of it is so far from sticking on Japino founded in your bio. Yeah I'm working the hardest I've ever worked in my life and I've worked tough jobs. I used to work in the city. I would clock in at seven hundred. Eighty leave seven eight. PM minimums evening But this is it takes everything you'll birthing something So yeah the realities of our very long hours are minutes of uncertainty moment of realizing that you decide what happens next no. There's no bus telling you where you can take you think so. It's been a lot of lot of kind of self discovery Understanding my strengths and she fully understanding my weaknesses So I can get the right people around me to help build and grow this. So it's it's been really really tough. I always describe acid beautiful struggle. Because I'm working these long hours. I'm working can it do something I enjoy more than anything. So yeah I I absolutely love it and if if anyone listening feels that cool to be an entrepreneur and fills their super passionate about particular area I was just say. Give go London wide not. I'm what's the worst that can happen. I'm even for me. We a fulltime. The job invested our house savings into start in Vita like yeah. It's a big decisions. At the time I was just like worst case scenario. I get another job and I save money up again. Yes my life may been delayed a bit at least knowing that I gave a damn saying. So Yeah you say delayed by twenty twenty nine so I mean I think that's one of the interesting things right. I think a has quite lack of bill picture of walk growing up. This is school. colledge GA- job like you said especially if you live in a big saves like gadget open to see them and then that's it really can't even what what was it. That was just like oversee the entrepreneur side of you but was that another element of how did your life lie into interacting. I'm not did you feel like something wasn't sitting right with you. Was it that you just have to definitely. I mean working in the city. There's a term that's S. used for sales professionals in the city earners wide boys I'm so there are people that literally do anything to get over the line And I was surrounded rounded by that day in day out and kept my integrity. I insured I did the right things constantly. Seeing people excel by doing maybe some dodgy things by but not even favouring. 'CAUSE WE I worked in recruitment so often they didn't even favor the candidates they were recruiting full. They would do whatever it took for them to on a bit more money and I just couldn't live in that environment anymore. I need to be an environment where I could control the narrative where I could be building God's kingdom Kim even if it didn't look like building church sure how did you than taking the leap into Vita and like you said giving away house savings and stuff on that. How did you manage to an still manage to like hold onto your integrity? 'cause you're the perfect template of like okay. Okay this is how can squeeze as much money of whatever May Have easy kind of border into your own your own business. I know even necessarily in a selfish way subscriber way. So how did you manage to keep keep pressure that temptation away. I guess for me I just like I really believe in concerning repair more than any fitness on it like even when I was about to leave my recruitment job. The last few months still may try worked hard because in in my head I think you one day. I'm going to hire people so if I'm if I'm if I'm Workin slack in this job I'm GonNa hide some that will one day work sack I. That's that's just how I think I guess yeah just in relation to that. I just knew that if I could just keep the right disciplines from the very beginning of the business business even when I lacked money if I could just hold onto my integrity I would reap the rewards of it and I feel good just been so faithful in that. He's open doors. I don't deserve he's connected me with people. I would have never even imagine being connected with a man I believe. That's just him saying that. Yeah you were faithful smooth side. Yeah you have been more now was one of those moments. One of these big moments of dislike is GonNa be good lie wherever it was like you. You were struggling but somehow you go through. Where had this connection? That was just like my happens all the time literally like every single mom. That's why I feel like I'm great sir and I feel like I'm where I'm meant to be because it's constantly happening. I could give an account every month for something. That's it happened where it just doesn't make sense even a few months ago before because recently we raise some capital. But before that I'm like I wasn't even sure how I was GonNa make payroll for my team and then I did one right into research and I did one radio interview and we brought in like within an hour like we in enough money to cover my whole team excetera so it's just murmurs like that and they that I'm just like okay. Goes I see what you're up to you Dan. I'm connections made like so. I've had the privilege of being mental by Richard Branson and we see what is on the light serve Avenue Vinay Michelle Williams Williams Martin Smith Tim Hughes these people that I've admired pretty much my whole life and it's just a real that with a lot of them just like a text message away now. I'm serious just got ready it to you for a moment. Chesapeake Cy. News CEO in February twenty. I twenty second. We are heading the Justice Conference in London to have two days of worship creativity in discussion led by some of the biggest leaders of fake injustice as a member of the we are taking community. You get special. Discount ticket with exclusive entry to a free lunch with some of the speakers and some other special guests for more information. What's your place heads? WWW www so we are safe on dot org forward slash gatherings is that's www dot org forward slash gatherings in overtime back to the work that you're doing in South Africa running Gonna I'm education is huge thing Around the well that is not people don't have access to do. What was it specifically about education occasion? Because you could have like helped anyway about education that really resonates with you. I feel like yeah. Education just has the power to break generational poverty Has the power to end it. There and equipment impalpable as opposed to just giving out handouts I'm I think in the midst of a disaster etcetera. I think it is important that we supply like supply the needs of people on the ground at the time what they need but the beach of education nations that yeah. I believe same if what happened with. My Dad. Empowered him to break that cycle of poverty which then affect now is affected me on one of seven children. I'm doing pretty well. Buy Goods Grace Few of US have kids already so like generation Italy things are just early early improving whereas yeah if someone had just giving given my father maybe some food or giving him something else. It wouldn't have broken that cycle of poverty. Education actually an interesting governor qualified now but he was saying similar thing. He went to see some some of the work for those Dan and he was just like a bit kind of an equal frustration. Of Why can't we just do this to help. But who say say that of like what you're saying very much kind of needs to empower and equip people to do for those shows and has that been something that you find in your life cushy took about about your dad but you specifically ever being education like growing up outside of that. Yeah I guess even for me so. My story was funding. I grew up in south London. Perriman Campbell and then and those those places with us the seven buses that happened so yeah girl that was tough man. And then when I was eleven and my dad just persistently being in my case I ended up securing a scholarship to a prestigious boarding school In the midland so I spent five years there and to me. That was the biggest airport of my life. I'm just seeing like I'd never seen wealth like that. I'd never seen people live the lifestyle live and that open up my mindset to thinking about about one of our matches as brand is to live without limits now only fill those seasons really showed me that the limitations or the area that I may they have grown up in is not the bill handel. Yes I'm an pushed me to win. Equip myself to take things to the next level and not look for handouts. Look not ever have a victim mentality because even a lot of people. I went to school with their parents. Were the first net in the generation to see wealth second-generation and in the generation. So they showed me possible. Yeah sure for sure very interested in a is quite like an aspirational brand. Right is is that you know people spend money on like a gift to whatever is And that's it's interesting to have something like quiet like you could argue almost like middle class. It like middle class of clientele at middle and upper. It is helping people who are struggling and it was like you really hundred. My dream was to flip in industry on its head the the watch industry over six billion year into crazy and even in the midst of the recession it was still growing. I'm so it just shows you that massive market potential and most times when someone owns Chubais watch a sustainment piece to say. Hey Look how much wealth I've been able to acquire for myself. I wanted to disrupt this industry that typically says that and say. Hey look how. I'm able to purchase a product which represents me impacting and benefit and some analysis as most suggest myself so yet from the beginning a whole mindset is to flip her an industry which has often been seen self-indulgent and sure how you can actually be selfless in the midst of that is incredible. Really interesting because I don Ah then about you but when we talk about Africa living sustainable living I often as a lot of pressure on individuals to to cut. Cut this Barkor to stop doing that or to buy more days and I think those things a little gray and I almost like act of worship kind of this is the world I want and to see him and so this is the actions that feed into that but as also with that the at times I'm always but at times there's a lack of looking at what's happening above us I'm and the structures in the systems in place that kind of reinforce enforcing poverty and reinforcing unsustainable planet. which with the is there like a almost like a casual kind of trick like this is where the money is so? I'm going to you going to get their money. Yeah I'm sling back into the place. That's literally what Ritchie my mind. Saying this money's being generated year in year out So why not attribute pushed of that to make an impact and the best way I saw myself being able to do that with starting this brand and sign his business. So yeah that's what was so passionate about it's about just a redistribution of finances So money that we could have just stood for ourselves as a brand which is taken care of and saying hey look at the impact. We can make him. Hopefully inspire other brands Some people could say that's crazy because because then you miss out what could make yourself unique But I'd prefer if more more brands that she took this on therefore it means we are. We're making often impact of our prophets in your life not just about acquiring ourselves. Yeah it's interesting you talk about. Redistribution of wealth. You know we live in a world where there's a lot of inequality equality at this particular people living in extreme poverty And then you we live in a country where there's inequality as well and I don't WanNa get too political. I don't WanNa veep bringing up different parties but there's been a little conversation recently we're recording this December and there's been a conversation recently about the CPA rich and What the what? Responsibility should be two people who were not doing as well. How do you fit into that? You know you talk about you a meeting. People like Richard Branson who have who at times had doses of Criticism like against him. I will sure- response to that. Yeah it's for me. It's a tough one. I'm I WANNA I wanna live in a society where the poorest of our community have have a support system where they can bounce back from I look back at even my upbringing. And even the Council House I grew up in and if we didn't have those measures ages in place I wonder like where where I would be today So I often like to point the finger at the rich because I think to myself. There's still move for for me to do. So who am I to then tell someone else what to do there. Well so as much as possible. I just trying to be an example with my income in mind wealth and and hopefully just trying to shop the market more and more so that even those higher up with more money can understand what they can do their I meant how so even someone from an essence. Nothing from council flat has been able to make this impact on what mood someone. That's come from wealthy. Yeah yes that's why China Netflix and really challenging things to say live. That's challenge for myself to be like I'm not. I'm not necessarily where where I I. I want to arrive by to lock. Im Yeah in a sense of the parable of the talents How are you kind of envisioning your like like you said you talked about disruption and and trying to across the industry influence? Stop whether you see that kind of headed in the next five five ten years I I think if you look at even millennial buying trends engines Ed as well I think what you know. SNC's is that we're a lot more aware you can't you can't just do a blanket marketing campaign that could in the Boston. An influence in persuading wait. I think there's a lot more awareness so I think there's just gonNa be a grown evolution of more and more brands that stand for something Where there's a narrative errative where there's a story whereas an impact otherwise you just won't be able to survive in the market? Yeah I'm Brandon. Oh doing things weren't working the market of tomorrow Mercer. I believe more and more people are going to catch on to this. TREND ARE GONNA see. Actually what can we do for the planet. What can we do for one? Another as opposed to The old system of capitalism which was. How much can I destroy the pennant? How much can I Undercut the next person in order for my for my reisen. I'm and I just don't think that's that's going to work in the future for sure. That's really exciting. I think the idea of Assistant Change and I agree. I see the young generation that generation. That is it has to be enough. Yeah and even in the even in the work that you do. How do you find that process? Because I'm sure like production-wise like oh you talk about payroll earlier have all of these things under your kind of responsibility and doing them. In a way that is like the most ethical the most fair you possibly can. How difficult or how easy? It is difficult at times from a business perspective but I'm constantly learning and I'm constantly Salihi improving. I wouldn't say with fully where we want to be But we're getting closer every single day. So yeah I I don't find it difficult that she thinks it also makes business sense. I'm a lot of people don't realize the actual business value at there's no way I would have got ferrall Williams Richard Branson Johnathan Vernita. There's no way I would have wearing my watches if we weren't making a positive impact so as much as people say all don't do that can affect your profits profit to me. I would say it's probably increased. My profit is probably enabled me to to sell what is further and wider and therefore impact more lives lives like there's a beautiful righteous cycle with I don't I don't really see the negative in it too much. I see sometimes it can inconvenient genius us as a brand new whereas other brands. That have to do it. But it's what we stand for so I'm happy to be inconvenient. Show and I like core of what you do and genuine to what you not. What would you say to the people who Kinda Levy the criticism that oldest like sustainability ethical living as much? Just become the the the new sales pitches and the Fed. Would you say would be your reaction to those people. I'm it's tough because you never know who's doing if a genuine reason you never know he. It has a real For why they're doing what they're doing against often. We can only really see things at face value and support what we can and yet you contested intestine. Try People's hearts by. It's it's tricky to be able to ascertain who's legit and who isn't yeah. I'm but I think over time the real ones always they stay around you you see in the messaging constantly you see you see the fruit of what they're trying to do as opposed to someone who may just trying tag it onto something. Yeah so I think that's why a lot of our customers resonate with us because they see from the very get go with being cool to us and they see us constantly going out in visiting the children they get to hit the positive reports as well and yeah Houston well some of those stories. Is there anything you share about some of the children at your health. And Yeah I I mean one story I always tell that always kind of sticks out to me as a young girl could lelay so she grew she still does. She lives in Portland In in South Africa Unfortunately her parents passed away and then a lot of her cousins parents passed away while she lost lover uncles teased. Hey Taibbi so when I went to me the first time they were fouteen of them living in a tiny shack with the with the grandparents. It's of the children and because it because of the poverty education was made free for them on their local. Do set but for something as minute. A school uniform do they weren't able to go to school they weren't able to get an education and study so are stepping in providing that school uniform. And then I guess to me. Six months later going back in visiting her seeing her thriving in school like dancing and singing in school day in day out always like has been a memory kind of just burned into my brain I can. y'All never never escape just gives me that drive to just WanNa do it for more people Edwin C C. What impact campaign? Yeah that's incredible. That's what it's about Russia route from the beginning. I see that and your story if you could go back to the beginning when when you first started out advice would you give to yourself. ooh I don't think I would give myself any advice purely early. Because I think everything's worked out the way it was meant to walk out I think I think even in my mistakes. I've learned so much that AH advise me around those things. It wouldn't have had the impact of of going through those things making those mistakes So yeah I'm I'm grateful for for every single aspect I believe it's helped shape me like a lot of people see failure as a negative thing for me. All the failures in my Elliot's of this business have to more than other success. Yeah I'm saying I've loved every every minute of lissome it's been really great chancey. Where can we find not mobile visa? Yeah for sure. I'm you can find that about veto on our website Soviets retailer dot com V.. I T. Victor India Tango Alpha Komo TV TAE LONDON DOT COM. I'm an across all social media the handled as London as well. So yeah check us out for San the so that was Chris. Conversation with William what some points that stood out to you guys I left where he talks about his business and how he obviously obviously he decided to go through setting up vitae that will help people in countries that may afford education and I love that even even though he's a lot of people have told why why would you do. That is really going to make an impact on your prophet. Actually like he says the reason why he he has been able to grow his business so much his he is helping people passionate about say like even for myself bike when I when I heard about this cool like I'm not only buying a watch which one and need to tell the time actually like making a difference and actually helping a child in need. I think as it's amazing to hear that hunter by the reason so many influential people wearing my watches because this is something different. It's not just you'll designer. And I like how that links in with other brands being influenced understanding funding death the impact. They have widened just humorous and that actually ends to make an impact and some McCain might be still doing it for commercial reasons because they realize that he's you're looking for but at the end of the day when it's benefiting people needed support whether that's through education these clothing. Brian give clothing to people who need these things. And as people like medium and others creighton blinds it could be done through brands. That Papa existing brands. Well sure I think like you said you know. The whole idea focused on education and asks really important because is easy for us to kind of get into mindset of we just We need to do is just just give an besser away by. She's the whole thing equipped and bill people so that they can and who themselves out of poverty as opposed to trading another lightweight power dynamic quiz. Yorio because I'm do as opposed. I know you have the skills you need yourself. Yeah absolutely well. That's it for this episode. Thank you everyone for listening tune in on a certified for next episode where we'll be talking to environmentalist theologian and social activist. Ruth Will Larry had this recently released a new book in saying Yes to life. If you like what you hear today make sure you hit. Subscribe subscribe and follow us on Instagram at. We are different

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