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Introducing The Lead
"You know that we're all about human drama here bald move and I have long maintained that when it comes to drama it's hard to beat live sports for thrills and chills just in my lifetime. I'll never never forget the time to Eric dickerson scored four touchdowns against the broncos on Halloween night or when Reggie Miller scored eight points eight point nine seconds to beat the Knicks game one of the ninety. I Five Eastern Conference semifinals or win. My colts finally got past the Patriots in the two thousand six. AFC Championship game coming all the way back from an eighteen point deficit to win the game name and go on to win our first super bowl in Indianapolis. That's why we're excited to share with you. A new daily sports podcasts from one DRI and the athletic called called the lead is where the kind of sports fan who wants to go beyond the box score every weekday morning the lead will bring you one big time story from Athletics All star team of local well and national sports reporters. Some stories will be a fresh take on a major news event and other episodes feature an indepth look into what's been happening off the field. The lead is hosted by sportswriter Kavita Viva Davidson and peabody award winning journalists unders Feltoe who will take you close to the story through comprehensive reporting fasten clips and exclusive interviews. You won't hear anywhere else else now. You're about to hear a preview of the lead that looks into what really went down after that blown call and the two thousand eighteen. NFL playoff game between the rams and the saints while you're listening go subscribe to the lead on Apple podcasts or wherever you're listening to this podcast right here. There's also a link and episode notes for your convenience born in last season's. NFL Playoffs as every football fan remembers the New Orleans Saints were on the verge of a trip to the super bowl breeze but that no the one of the worst calls in sports history going crazy as there's no right on the saint sideline but it was all anyone could talk about for days bad call that had saints fans screaming last night. I'll glaring case of pass interference one of the most obvious case you'll ever see and and it wasn't penalized and it led to an unprecedented response from saints fans ca billboards boycotts federal lawsuits against the NFL including writing reports of a possible class action lawsuit against the NFL filed by people who lost big money betting on the saint the issue even ended up on the floor of the US Senate. The state of Louisiana is outraged because of what happened in the Superdome last Sunday so today we're going to talk with Larry holder a football columnist who lives in New Orleans about why saints fans have taken their quest for justice thanou extremes and we'll hear why neither the rule change that came from all of this nor yesterday's rematch between the two teams has changed how saints fans hands feel from wondering on the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson. Am It's Monday September sixteenth and this is the lead felt like something great was there is something of emotion and it don't matter because doctors. This isn't a story rear view the athlete it stays with you Kavita. What's up volunteers well before we get started. This is is the very first episode of the lead and since you and I are the hosts. I thought maybe we should just quickly explain what the show is so. The lead is the show. I always wish existed an. I always wished I could have listened to you. I'm a sports writer obviously but I was a sports fan. I and it's really all about great stories great stories from great sports reporters who are all over the country an on the ground. I mean these are journalists who live in these cities and no these teams we know these players but you don't have to be a fan of those teams or those players to care about these stories for example in this first episode you talk to Larry Holder holder who has covered the New Orleans saints for Almost fifteen years about why this terrible call provoked such an unprecedented reaction yes yeah and talking to Larry. Really helped me understand why saints fans did what they did. It's really something anyone could identify with so. Should we get to the story story. Let's go for it so Larry. Let's start with a very basic question question. How important is football is the game of football to the city of New Orleans. I'll just put it this way. When Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans August two thousand and five and of course everyone is recovering from the storm people. Are Literally taking their FEMA checks to by saint season season tickets. That's how important the saints are to this community and I'd say without the saints returning to the city at that point. I don't think the city would have ever you actually rebounded so I would say unlike many if any NFL fan base within the League all right so let's go back to this incredible no call its last year's. NFC Championship game the saints and the Rams are tied in the fourth quarter and the saints look like they're about to score four and book a trip to the Super Bowl convert and there's a good chance to saints are GonNa. Come Away with more points on.
How Baylor Bounced Back from the Brink
"The there was a big matchup college basketball on Saturday. It was a close game with Baylor missing a shot at the Buzzer to lose but despite the loss the Baylor bears have been one of the surprise. Stories of the year and behind their success has been head coach. Scott Andrew who is known for his intensity among other things today the athletic. Cj more joins us to talk about how drew rebuilt the Baylor Program after the tragic murder of a player? Seventeen years ago. What's been key to this year success? And how coach drew runs on a strange blend of competitive fire and apparent wholesomeness. He's a little different. He would fit right into leave it to beaver from wondering in the athletic. I'm under SCELZO and I'm Cathy Davidson. It's Monday February. Twenty fourth and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening of emotion and took over the past his that. This isn't a story. Dear diary the athlete it stays with you. 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This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. So you've had a number of chances to sit down with Baylor head. Coach Scott drew first of all. How does he like to get his players? Hyped up any number of creative ways. He had one of his assistants. Go out and buy a like metal trash can and he would have him bang the trash. Can I like noise? The speed with which he says his his words and gets his guys charged up it's something to behold and something to see. My energy can be a strength also wrote people the wrong way at times when they want to be the lifestyle. You calm down early. In his time at Baylor he felt like his guys. They were just kinda down before not really charged up like you wanted him to. So he had the guys lineup. On two different sides there was an assistant coach lined up across him any reached back any smacked him in the face in. This coach was from Pittsburgh. Kind of a a tough dude. Right was like Whoa. What was that like? He stuck his hands up like he was ready to to fight. So Scott told him slapped me back so he slapped him back and then he told everybody on the team at the guy in front of you in this slap them back I mean with generations say change. Yeah I mean nowadays. You can't slap chop wait. When's the last time so it seems like all of these things could totally go the wrong way? You know a coach being too competitive or literally smacking an assistant coach and making players smack each other. Why so many people continue to love this guy? I think it's a genuine niceness about him and the reason we've been number one is excuse me for the coffee is because we've been able to focus on each and you don't think of a basketball coach usually as a nerdy guy right like usually. They're tough students. Demand toughness and rule with an iron fist. But that's not schedule. He's he's a little different. He would fit right into. Leave it to beaver. Scott drew has a pretty interesting background. He's from a very well known basketball family. His father homer drew is a legend Valparaiso. Indiana you know took that program and made it nationally known back in when his son. Bryce was playing for them and you know ran the play to win at the Buzzer against old miss. It's a play. You see an allotment in basketball now where they throw it deep and the big bang catches it and and in one motion catches in pitches it to a guard and then drives hit the shot to beat Ole Miss. It's jackets it's one of the most famous shots I think in basketball and Bryce played in the NBA played for the Bulls. And Yeah so it's A. It's a well known basketball family and it seems like maybe the main thing that defines Scott drew is his relentless self belief and a heavy dose of optimism. And that's why People Love College basketball. That's why coaches lose their hair and But Anyway I'll sleep located night. Thank goodness for that mystery. It's holding up pretty well up top. You're you got some pretty good coverage all we mentioned this. This is the second time you've been and it seems like that. Self Belief led him to a coaching position that very few people would have accepted. Cj can you just take back to what happened with the Baylor Basketball Program back in two thousand and three? Dave Bliss was the coach and Patrick Dennehy and Carlton. Dotson were two of his players and they bought weapons and would go and practice firing these weapons and some point. Dotson got mad at didn't he and murdered him the murder of Baylor basketball player. Patrick Dennehy is one of the most tragic stories in sports. It's a bizarre story. And then once you get toward you know Patrick being murdered it gets even crazier because of the attempt to cover up that ensues dove blessed. That had Patrick. Dennehy key was not on scholarship and Dave. Bliss was basically paying for his tuition. Dave Bliss after all this came out to try to like covered up told family members of another player to lie to investigators. He told his team to lie about saying that the Patrick and he was a drug dealer. And that's how he was paying for his tuition was with his drug money and basically any which way you can screw up a program. Dave was cheating behind the scenes and then with this situation just handled it as poorly as you can like. You should be remorse seeing what happened and checking on everybody and he was basically just trying to save his butt and so the NCAA came in and gave Baylor as tough a penalty as you will ever see in terms of recruiting restrictions. And one thing that they did that. I'm not sure I've ever seen with another power. Five program is bailer. Couldn't even play non conference games in the two thousand five two thousand six season. This is a basketball program that nobody wanted to touch at that time except me. He's got drew. What is he told you about why he wanted that job? He's a very religious person and I think the religious component of the school was probably something that pulled him there. I really felt when you go there and I mean I knew it was going to be a process. I didn't know we beyond probation as long as we're on probation in no we would only get a half season one year but at the same time mean. We feel that go somewhere. You're worried about anything like that. You as going and his father homer told me. I don't think there's ever been a worse situation to go into. But this goes back to Scott's competitiveness and like one of his assistants. Told me at one point. If you want Scott to be passionate about wanting to do something you just gotTa tell him. He can't do it and so I'm sure anyone that Scott talked to about that job at the time was probably saying Scott like wait man like your career is on a good trajectory. You are doing a good job at Valpo. You Help Your Dad. Build that program way and another job is gonNA come. Don't take this one. And that's probably all he needed to hear. And how did he go about rebuilding that team? Both start with recruiting and and Scott has always been a really really good recruiter. He felt like there were plenty of guards in Texas and there. I mean he was right. I mean there's so much talented Texas. He felt like he could get enough enough guards. Texas to have town tobacco roots even if he wasn't getting the first options right and then early on. He was recruiting big men from overseas. That was kind of his his idea. And then eventually. He got to the point where he was recruiting. Mcdonald's all Americans with it put it down to spin baseline score by a big time in recruiting some big time talents. Once they got it rolling follow jammed for Baylor kind of Blake look passed away and he's you know enjoyed moderate success since those early days the team suspended. Ncaa Tournament Eight Times but the program has also had some pretty big jokes. I mean you could There was a year where they were number. One the country I believe in two thousand sixteen seventeen they lose in the sweet sixteen that year ended up being a three seed in two thousand fifteen and sixteen. They lose in the first round there. I N C appointed in program history. They upset Baylor. Seventy nine seventy five to advance. I'm hesitant to call them chokes because the NCAA tournament is so fickle. And go there enough. You're going to get upset. But I think the fact that he's had two elite eight and then a couple sweet sixteens on top of that to have that many runs to the second weekend is pretty good especially when you consider what he's taken over coming into this season. There were still a lot of people who were squarely in the Scott. Drew can't coach camp. How has he handled that criticism? And what have the Knox against this guy? Ben The he just gets talent and can't necessarily coach them up or can't make in game adjustments stuff like that and there's there's a very you know. Social media can be mean play sometimes and sometimes the minority. If they're loud enough can still be heard. I think everybody's human in an bothers every body and I'm sure it bothered him some but the fact that he's willing to talk about it and he doesn't hide from it. I think is a good way to deal with it and try to get better focus on constructive things and you always worry and all that does is waste time. My Dad my dad. The one thing that him and other great coaches always say never take away. Hold yes sure. He's competitive wants to prove himself but he doesn't necessarily fight back on that he just kind of takes care of his thing and he does. He is who he is like. He's he's GonNa be a super positive happy guy and I don't think outside voices or circumstances can affect that last year. He took a team where his best player gets hurt. Tristen Clark really early. In the conference season Sophomore Forward Tristan Clark will be out for the rest of the season Clark was averaging fourteen point six points and just over six boards per game. We'll have surgery on his left. Lee Clark led the nation. He ends up making the NCAA tournament after losing. Its best player so I think he proved a lot to a lot of people last year. And now this year success. He's had you're you're hearing less and less of that As most of us have found out the hard way getting into debt as easy getting out hard. Especially if your credit score isn't great thankfully now there's upstart dot com the revolutionary lending platform. That knows. You're more than just your credit score in offers smarter interest rates to help you pay off high interest credit card. 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That means four percent milkshakes with the kids and four percent on music with your pals you also earn two percent cash-back at grocery stores in one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in capital one. What's in your wallet terms apply so? Cj Scott drew's Baylor. Bears lost to Kansas on Saturday. But they've had a really remarkable year. They're now twenty four and two and spent a good chunk of the season ranked number one in the country. What's been the key to their success? Pieces really really well together. Baylor team that plays mostly unlike many of Scott. Drew Steve's nice food to step back for Davey on Mitchell. He has a a garden David Mitchell. That didn't WANNA play that zone into a really elite man-to-man defensive player and mark vital is a guy that can switch to all five positions. And it's just an elite man-to-man defensive player in his team. Some of his guards actually came to him and told him. Hey we WANNA play man and this goes back to Skopje and willing to listen. We have an intelligent group and now he says on user thinking what's best for the team then that I'm always down with it so we have guys and they've changed to man-to-man defense and they're one of the best defensive teams in the country than offensively. He's playing four guard rotation that you know three of them are on the floor at all. Times gotta go to work right now Garrett to get a shot away he will got why he has some raging confident with a lot of teams. You can kind of focus in on one or two guys right if you take x and Y way we can slow these guys down but Baylor's got so many weapons and is so balanced that I call them the lease flawed team in college basketball back in January. Scott drew got a huge monkey off his back. His team won a game at Kansas. Congratulations to Baylor. They do something they've never done before they did it. In style there was really never in doubt. There was a five point lead. It was huge huge win for him. And you know coaches will say hey everyone counts the same and everyone means the on the same to me but you could tell after that one that that one meant more to him. This is the only place we hadn't one end so I mean it was. It was something that we wanted to do. And I'm glad it was this group because every year you get asked when you get a win at Kansas and that's one last question left they answered it again. They're they're they deserve. So what was the difference between that win over Kansas or there this year and the loss to Kansas on Saturday I? It seems to some extent they just ran into an unstoppable force in Yoga Ozzy. Buki it was like a dunk fest. Chat with this game in the first game. Baylor was able to really help against as a bouquet. Keep him away from getting those dunks and getting shot attempts. They had help on the backside but by moving ball screens from the side to the middle of the floor. Emitted really really difficult for Baylor to help and it was a very smart tactical move by Bill. Self there's a reason he's in the hall of fame and Baylor made some adjustments late. But you know it's a testament to how good the team is. I'd say that kids played really really well and had a really good game plan. Mailer Saul two shots since overtime at the end white with risks and take not to had injured. Butlers hands the guy that you want to take the shot. Kansas defended it really. Well and here we are. Were were even for the year on those two teams. I think they're the two best teams in college basketball and as I wrote in my piece. I hope that there's around three and around four because I was a lot of fun to watch. Is there reason to believe that? This year's Baylor team is different and that they'll avoid an early round exit in the tournament. Yeah I think so because I've got great guard play. They've got a great defensive team and by having so many guards that play unselfishly and play together. Like I think there may be our egos on this team. But they don't get in the way and there's there's not a lot of jealousy and I think that's GonNa play really really well in March and we just did our like three quarter of the year picks for national title picks recently at the athletic and I picked Baylor just. Because it's probably the team I trust more than any other and coming back to Scott drew. Do you see the elements of his personality. That we've talked about reflected in the way that the scene place yeah absolutely. I think there's a joy that they play for with for one another any one of them who has success. They enjoy that guy. Success most teams are there are flexing their head. Coach is a lot of times and I think this one is definitely is like. It's not a dictatorship. He takes their input and listen to it and he in the form of his defense philosophies like is totally change he is because of his team and I think that's a really cool thing with this group and they've had lots accessible because of it. We'll see Jay. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it you can follow. Cj Moore's college basketball coverage at athletic dot com here are some other stories. We're following at the lead. Nfl players are divided on the idea of a seventeen game regular season. Espn reports that some players are willing to accept the new proposal from NFL owners. As is others want changes and still others are just against the idea of a seventeen game season altogether. The players Union reportedly postponed a vote on the matter to give more time to reach consensus according to ESPN's Dan Graziano the players are set to meet with NFL. Ficials on Tuesday and could vote as early as Wednesday the philly fanatic. The Green Mascot that has been at the heart of a legal dispute has officially gotten a makeover on Sunday fans were able to see phillies new. Look which includes new socks kicks some blue for around the eyes and a lighter green color among other things the company that was hired to design the popular mascot back in the nineteen seventies filed a notice of termination with the team in two thousand eighteen and the phillies hit back with a lawsuit last year. According to the Philly Voice. The team believes these minor. Changes will put an end to the legal battle. But one thing's for sure as long as the fanatic is on the field he'll be doing pelvic thrusts and dance moves and fans. We'll be loving every minute of it and a forty two year olds zamboni driver for the Toronto Maple leafs One and NHL game on Saturday after being tapped as an emergency goalie for the opposing team. Dave ayers suited up for the visiting Carolina Hurricanes after both of their goalies got injured forcing the Toronto based on Bony driver to take the ice against own home team. The forty two year old stopped eight of ten shots in thirty minutes on route to a six three canes win after the game. He said he received a nice reception in the hurricanes locker room. Had No idea I was gonNA shower or before I got in the shower gotland. These guys are awesome Ariza lifetime. Nhl Record is now WanNa know if you like our show. Please remember to subscribe and give us a rating and review were available on all the major listening APPs from wondering and the athletic. I'M UNDER SCALP and I'M GONNA be the Davidson see tomorrow.
Are Hockeys Young Stars Getting Greedy?
"The NHL season kicked off this week and on opening night. Some of the League's tap young stars were on display Matthew Sir take a bit of a trend in hockey these days young players dominating nominating the score sheets and the headlines and now they're starting to get paid big money for it for here's the thing the teams that have been winning Stanley Cups lately. You have mostly been older teams led by veteran superstars come on that and so there's this big debate going on hockey right now are these young players. Were now demanding. Big contracts really worth it aw today we're going to speak with the athletics. Craig Customs about that question and about a baby face. GM WHO's making an especially risky bat by doubling down on young players from wondering athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson and I'm Kelco. It's Friday October fourth and this this is the lead it felt like something was happening something of the emotion and Avenue of the past matter does this and this isn't a story dear diary. The athlete pulled it. It stays with Hey Craig. How're you doing well. How are you. I'm doing well. Thanks thanks exist for joining us. Where are we calling you right now. I am at home in Detroit Michigan. Remorse specifically Clinton Township Michigan Detroit all right so you've you've got some hockey up there yeah yeah so there is all ages. I mean it's a it's it's crazier so craig our story today revolves around a young GM and the team that he's been building yeah so if we're saying that the you know the young generation is represented by Connor mcdavid a superstar in Edmonton in Awesome Matthews in Toronto. The next generation of executives I would say is represented by Kyle Dube is the GM in Toronto born in Nineteen eighty-five which makes me feel super old and in Kyle graduated college. He was right away one of the I I wanna say he was the youngest agents in the NHLPA Agent Directory at Uptown Sports Management Out of college then he gets a job as GM in Sault Sainte Marie in a junior hockey in the NEO H. L. and has huge success the Rangers yeah. It's a great story takes the team that he grew up as a stick boy. HONEST FAMILIES CONNECTED TO takes turns it around learn say Marie and so this was kind of the wonder kid he was. He was progressive in his approach use analytics more than you saw his contemporaries really took his time and Sous Sainte Marie that's really when he kind of got the larger hockey world's attention and what's Kyle approach to building a team. This is a guy that really tried to take advantage of every amount of information available to him and it's it's looking at sport science. This is a guy that's just trying to look for a competitive advantage in every area and and not just focus on kind of the traditional constructs he's a guy that wants really utilize every bit of information available to him mm-hmm yeah and he definitely has earned a reputation as being a bit of a hockey nerd he presented at the Mit Sloan sports analytics conference so we see here this this is year two and Sous Sainte Marie so we're on this slope downward. This is cumulative shot differential or possession or whatever you WANNA call it. Coursey sat whatever they've branded. Is it now okay so after he rebuilds the Sault greyhounds and gets this reputation as kind of the whiz kid of hockey. Where does he go the way that he ran that program and with with great success caught the eye of Brennan Shanahan Brennan Shanahan is the president of the Toronto Maple leafs who set them down had a lengthy interview that I probably wouldn't longer than Kyle Brennan expected. I read a report that his interview was so oh impressive despite his age and the plan for that he had laid out for the team was called the rising after the Bruce springsteen song right all right so the leafs ended up hiring dubious as an assistant. GM and he sort sort of the Theo Epstein of hockey this young guy who's focused on data and represents the new guard hockey and when he arrives at the leaves in two thousand fourteen fourteen they start to focus on building a young team yeah so that that window of time is when the Toronto Maple leafs the core was built in so it starts in two thousand fourteen take William Knee Lander with number eight overall pick turns out to be a great pick then in two thousand fifteen the draft michener number four overall again really good pick attack then the the most important moment they win the lottery to pick number one overall two thousand sixteen draft. Austin Matthews famously scores four goals in spurts. NHL Game in just a premier player and so that window of time they hit with all three first round picks and that became a game changer for the maple leafs and then dubus is hired as the GM of the leaves in two thousand eighteen at aged aged thirty two and he has an immediate impact. This was the biggest story in hockey seven years to the Toronto Maple leafs John TAVERAS going to the Toronto Toronto Maple leafs early on his tenure he lands the big fish and and now this guy that people were pretty excited about as GM is really the the fans. Are It excited about where things are headed the John Tomas and meanwhile Kyle Dubus is also pushing the leaves organization forward an organization known for being pretty old school these progressive you know he's he's. He's been progressive in his hiring. Women playing prominent roles in the organization they've built out their analytics department and Kyle's really been leading the way in that front. The lead is sponsored by Ziprecruiter. 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D. ziprecruiter dot com slash lead ziprecruiter under the smartest way to hire all right so so the leafs put together this talented and very young team and they ended up giving their young superstar Austin Matthews really big contract. What kind of impact does that have well. It became a trend rate so now these other young players are saying if Austin Matthews were eleven point six million. I'm worth eight or nine ten or whatever it is and that becomes the comparable contract. They WANNA negotiate. These deals off basically all a rising tide all these other young players expected to get get contracts. Some of them did get them. Some of them didn't so they they became the contract said other agents and other players were comparing themselves to and holding out for in so we saw more restricted free agents holding out in training camp this year than I that I've seen that I can remember and the most high profile example of this was another. One of the leafs top young players Mitch Martyr subject is your this beating to death of course is the Mitch Mariner situation. E held out for a big contract and eventually got it last month. Standoff has come to an end Chris Michener signing a brand new six year contract with the maple leafs. It's been a long process to get to this and so created had basically teams like the leaves. Now are either having to pay these talented young players a lot more money or risk losing them right and and and even more so it's it's. It's become a kind of a League of have they have not so if you look at the way the Toronto Maple leafs contracts are structured. You have right now. You have three players. I said are making a a huge percentage of the CAP in Toronto. So now you've got to either go build with young cheap players in the bottom part of your lineup or ask veterans to take considerably Sibley less than than they got paid in the past and basically it's eliminating the middle class in hockey and and you know now teams have to build around a pretty top heavy contract situation. What kind intention does this create with older players. Who are used to a system where you know we're veterans? We've been in the League for several years now. We deserve our I pay day. I talked to several veteran players about that and and they they would say look good for these kids right like good for them. I'm for standing up for what they believe in and they deserved to get this money if they can get it but so. I don't think it was creating any strains in the locker rooms but you certainly you could tell it was like boy. I don't WanNa see those jealousy but it was like maybe admiration and they're like wow that's those are some big contracts tricks the beginning right out of your your entry level contract and to me a fascinating case study along those lines was Tori Krug who is standout defenseman the Boston bruins seconds one thing torey Krug strikes. It was the opposite so he as a young player basically got whatever money was left over from the Boston. Bruins it was he had a hold out to get a small contractors as has a younger player and basically waited and worked his way through the system and the money is shifting to the younger players so he had he had to come and go and he got squeeze as a young player and now the younger players are getting more money in so he potentially is. GonNa get squeezed as a free agent so we have Toronto kind of ushering in this this era of of a youth movement but the teams that are winning championships are still teams that are led by veterans. That's right so that's kind of the the fun side story to all. This is yes. The t the League is getting younger. Yes the players that are that are at the top of the individual stats are getting younger but the teams teams that are winning at all are tend to be these veteran teams and so if you look at the most recent Stanley Cup winner the Saint Louis Blues St Louis Blues are the Stanley Cup champions franchise history. This is a team that's been knocking on the door for ten years trying to get to a breakthrough through in the Stanley Cup and and that was a pretty veteran roster that that one for the Saint Louis Blues and before that it was the Washington capitals against our outs of skin finally wins his his Stanley Cup. It's come on up that was a team that had been we had a lot of playoff heartbreak heartbreak and had gone through a decade of ups and downs to get to that point and before that it's back to back wins by Sidney crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney crosby how's the veteran team veteran Captain Sidney crosby before that the blackhawks so so these are these are the the veteran Stanley Cup playoff tested championship teams and so we've seen the league younger but we haven't necessarily seen that young talent translate into playoff success. So is the Juba strategy going to work out right this year. I would say here I agree in the concept. I agree that you want to pay players when their most valuable WANNA play pay them when they're most productive. I've can you win with a bunch of players who are twenty two twenty three twenty four like how many years of playoff heartbreak do you have to have is a franchise and as a team to have a breakthrough and with the Toronto Maple leafs. You have to if you're them. You have to hope it's not too many because we may not be able to keep this roster together for for five six seven years. They may have a three year window to do it but really like these these teams historically in the NHL. It's these teams that that have been through the playoff grind that learn how to win the postseason. Those are the ones that have success and those are the ones that are raising Stanley cups so it's fair to question whether the maple leafs are going to be able to stay stay together as a group long enough to pull that off. What do you see coming from this grand experiment that Toronto's doing this season well. I mean we'll all be watching and and here's here's what we do know is that if it succeeds if Mike Babcock and Austin Matthews and Mitch murder in that group group in Kyle dubious a raising Stanley Cup this year or next year or whenever it is and it's certainly I mean you can make a strong case. It's going to happen like they're so talented and so good. You're GonNa see teams copy it. You're GONNA see okay. We we need to draft. Get these young players. Get them into place. Pay Them get them locked up and and let him focus if they continue to lose in the first round to the Boston Bruins as they've done the last couple of years. There's going to be a lot of questions in Kenya win with with a team. That is a so top heavy with their contracts with the top players getting paid so much NBA Can you win with the team that young and and so the NHL is a copycat the cat league so I know people are going to be watching closely and if succeed said this is where the League is headed well. Thank you so much Craig. It's going to be a fun season and you know everything everything kind of revolves around Toronto. It'll be interesting to see how things shape up there. It's going to be fun and I'm looking forward to. It and I really appreciate you having me on three dollars a lot of fun. CRAIG CUSTOMS IS THE ATHLETICS EDITOR IN CHIEF FOR THE NHL Ambi host of the full sixty podcast and here's what we're looking forward to this weekend at the lead. It's going to be a big weekend in baseball vault with all four division series on the Astros play the raise the dodgers play the nationals the Yankees the twins and the braves host the cardinals a battle of unbeaten teams headlines Juicy College football schedule seventh-ranked Auburn heads to Florida to take on the number eight gators in a key. SEC showdown down and Jim Harbaugh and his Michigan wolverines get another shot at a top twenty five team and a chance to stand the College Football playoff hunt when they host the fourteen eighteen th ranked Iowa Hawkeyes and L. AFC star Carlos Vela will look to break the MLS scoring record in the teams final regular season game on Sunday. The Mexican star leads crosstown rival Zlatan Ibrahimovic by two goals in the scoring race but don't be surprised if Ibrahimovic scores a hat trick and steals the show the playoffs start October nineteenth. Please take a second and give us a five star rating and a review on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you're listening right now for more great sports right and go to the athletic athletic dot com slash the lead producers are Lea Hernandez Caitlyn plummer Chris Siegel Chris olen and Mastro sound design and mixing Marcelino. We know y'all Pondo our editorial. Producer is Eric Merrin Tat. The executive producer of the lead is me under skelter executive produced by Lea Hernandez this marshal Louis an airman Lopez for wondering I'm under scelzo and I'm beat the Davidson see you next week.
How Pro Athletes Are Helping (And Hurting?) in the COVID-19 Fight
"The as the corona virus continues to spread pro. Athletes have been helping out in some pretty big ways. Sixers Star Joel. Embiid is stepping up to help people affected by rotavirus reward. Say the big man is donating half a million dollars to the covert nineteen relief effort and last week warrior. Star Steph Curry. Did something really unusual when he interviewed public health expert. Dr Anthony Fauci live on Instagram Arthur. Archie step what are you doing? I'm good how are you today? The Athletic Sam. Amick joins us to talk about how pro athletes are pitching in in ways. We've never seen before and how it's helping. It's a different sort of impact. When it's coming from you know a voice like Steph but also is there a double standard for some of the world's richest and most powerful sports stars with all due respect an entire? Nba team could not get tested for covert nineteen. Well there are critically ill. Patients waiting to be tested. Tests should not be for the wealthy but for the sick and the athletic. I'm under skelter and I'm could be the Davidsons. It's Monday march thirtieth and this is the lead. It felt like something great. There was something about the emotion and for the past. Because this isn't a story rear view the IT stays with you. The lead is supported by light box. Have you heard about light box lab grown diamonds? They hacked a billion year process to grow stunning lab grown diamonds in about two weeks. And they're some of the highest quality stones that exist they're always Mir colorless always. Vs clarity always a very good cut and always eight hundred dollars per carat. They come in three colors to white blush. Pink and soft blue. Go to light box. Jewelry Dot com slash lead and use code lead for twenty five dollars off. That's light box. Jewelry Dot com slash lead code lead for twenty five dollars off so sam how are things in. Sacramento? They're fine. The works have strict. Because it's like trying to work on a weekend you know when when everybody's home every day which is an adjustment for sure you make some headway on a work thing and then you make some calls and you start writing the story and then he kinda like. Don's on you that Oh shoot you know. I haven't checked in with the boys and ninety minutes in go out there and they're on video games and you're like oh boy we gotta get back on track. You know same. We wanted to talk about some of the positive things that pro athletes including NBA players have been doing in the midst of the corona virus pandemic and one of the things that we've heard a lot about is players putting up money to help arena workers who have lost their jobs in many cases. What's the latest there too l? Embiid had a really significant gesture. The other day for the sixers was the seventy sixers as a organization going to dock salary employees by twenty percent during the Kobe nineteen pandemic and then Joel embiid. Joel do a one. Eighty envied decided to donate half a million bucks. For the -ployees they the employees to get through this. And now the seventy sixers are walking this back according to ESPN aviemore ASCII. Basically Anthony Davis of the Lakers providing two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to match donations with minis logistics world kitchen and a group of bay credible volunteers to launch. Feed the front lines. This campaign is going to get us from restaurants and gray those meals to healthcare workers in la hospitals. That is an effort. That's obviously geared towards the medical community and the people trying to keep us safe in the people that are putting themselves in harm's way to me it's just. Nba players by large using their voices using their resources are out there as much as any of the folks in the celebrity community. I think it's neat to see and I want to talk about one of the more unusual things that I I've seen a pro athlete. Do in in recent memory Steph. How you doing? I'm out you very good so technical difficulties. But I'm glad I got connected with you steph. Curry did a video interview on Instagram. With Dr Anthony Fauci the top infectious disease expert from the National Institutes of health. You know doctor felt she gets out there with the basketball hoop in the background and a bunch of pictures that show. You did go by the way. He played ball back in the day background to. I appreciate you coming on. Doctor found she apparently has an appreciation for basketball. And you know I I give him credit even well beyond this interview. It has been simply impressive. Incredible the just how much time. He's been spending on camera in general these days and do we know how that interview came about. Well a friend and colleague Marcus Thompson. Who is always phenomenal? General but certainly the best in the business on all things steph curry wrote for the athletic that Bryant bar is WanNa Steph. Best friends and a guy who he played with at Davidson and currently the president of his company. Sc Thirty that Bryant and Steph had essentially seen Dr Fouled. She'd doing an interview online and people suggesting on twitter that he do one. With the celebrity folks started recommending different people. Lebron James Taylor swift and Bryant had thought about stuff as a guy who could maybe conduct this interview and make that connection and get the job done I have to say. I thought he did a really nice job of you. Know collecting questions from his fans and then asking them in In his simple easy to follow kind of way is co in nineteen different crowned flew in terms of how you interact with the body and just how it spreads. Well it's similar in some respects step. Isn't that it's a respiratory illness transmitted by the respiratory route. It gives a degree of pathology. That's mostly ammonia. The reason it's different is that it's very very much more transmissible than flu. And more importantly it's significantly more serious. Let me give you. Some very quickly was humble and he came at it from a standpoint of all right. Dr Faucher. You're the expert and kind of that sense of. There's no such thing as a dumb question but almost apologizing like is this a dumb question. That's not a stupid question. That's a smart question because that's exactly what we are doing what you need to do. There's two types of tests and he just opened up all these different avenues. And do you think the real value of Steph curry doing something like this is his ability to reach people who might not be watching CNN or reading the New York Times for sure? And I think it's it's kids. You could be talking about eight year old on instagram. Who might see this? And and then next time they get out in the neighborhood they take it a little bit more seriously. You see some kids where you can tell that their parents have gotten the message across to them about social distancing and they're really going out of their way to keep their distance and you see some other families where it's clear they haven't had as many conversations and I mean even in my house my ten year old. I feel like didn't necessarily really have it. Hit home. How Serious. The Corona virus was until we heard that. Kevin Durant had it. We are following breaking news right now. Reports that Kevin Durant in fact is one of the nets players that has been tested positive for the corona virus. This news coming from the athletic saying stuff that resonates with a an audience. It's not consuming news in the kind of way that a lot of adults do so. I just think it's it's that age bracket and then it's just the sheer scope and the numbers because he's a massively popular athletes. It seems to me the main message that he and Dr Fao she wanted to get across was about how we as a country should be thinking about this pandemic. We're not overreacting right. That's that's her that's earns of people. feel threatened by the change in the reality. But there's no over reaction to this is a serious. You're absolutely right. We need to make that point. This is serious business out reacting. Then you saw the power of an athlete like Steph or anybody high-profile like that is where they're basically looking at the camera and just reaffirming that message and telling all those kids all those folks who might have been a cynical about social distancing and staying at home where you know if you didn't believe it for mom and dad now you know. Take it from Steph. That this thing is for real It's not just it's not a hoax. It's not Something that's been exaggerated doctor filed. She's you know just like any other doctor. You might see in an office when you hear him talk his message kind of drone in one ear and out the other I. It's a different sort of impact when it's coming. You know a voice like Steph. Well and along the lines of high-profile basketball players having personal stories about corona virus another video that generated. A lot of buzz was from timber. Wolves star Karl Anthony Towns Update. Show my life. Carl is sitting there in a sweatshirt and a baseball cap with the super heavy. Look on his face and before he even said a word you could tell. There was something pretty deep you know. As far as this message goes his mother. Jacqueline crews had been diagnosed with code nineteen thousand nine hundred and worse and worse and A. She just wasn't GonNa Better. Fieger was never cutting five or three. Maybe go down to one point nine the medicine that a medium spike backup search for getting worse coughing getting worse. Choose the TYRIAN. She's deteriorating for is he. It was one of them the most kind of open a real time things. I've ever seen a professional athlete. Put out she's been in a medically induced coma Since that day I talked her. Have cable or up just been getting updates and our condition. It's it's rough and you know day by day. Just say how it goes and Carl is a guy that for the most part. It's got a big old smile on. His face enjoys playing hoop. And you know we don't see this side of him or even really know the people who matter most in his life and so you know he was. He was their share in a very personal struggle. Strong woman rejoice when she does love you guys talk to you it and Sam. Are there any updates to Karl Anthony? Towns family situation since he released video the I mean my understanding is his. His mom is certainly still in middle of a very tough fight. And in that medically induced coma and his father who also had tested positive is recovering that he's had a hard time but he's been able to to get through it certainly better than his mother and You know with question wishing them both the best and thinking about their family and of course athletes aren't the only ones doing this kind of thing. A lot of people and other celebrities are sharing their stories and their struggles. But do you think that this kind of thing is particularly hard for athletes? To do you know showing vulnerability and opening up about personal pain. I think probably a case by case basis just based on personality I would say that in twenty twenty compared to maybe nineteen ninety It's just a whole different universe obviously for their ability to control their own message to to have somebody like Karl tell someone like. Hey wants you just set the phone up over there I'm feeling a few things I want to get a few things off my chest. Let's get the message out as opposed to you know let's go call the TV crew and take two or three days to setup shoot. You're talking about an age when Lebron James is pumping out half of his life on instagram in. Better Times where he's telling you you know what he had for lunch and what his kids are doing. And what his wife's doing and so there's a transparency and openness to a lot of them that inevitably means you're going to see the real stuff you're going to see the raw stuff and somebody who's beloved in the NBA Community Doris Burke of Espn just announced on ESPN podcast. That she's tested positive for Kobe. Nineteen first symptom looking back on it now. Atrium looks close march eleven which was a day. I was broadcasting on Denver at Dallas. Which are going to go through this a little bit with doors. Go through with Carl. Go through with Tom. Hanks go through it with aid. Your selbe all these different people who were in your homes whether it's a game or a show or a movie and now you're you're you're hoping they pull through. Have you ever wondered how pro athletes manage the transition to normal life after they retire while they're not alone enter the next chapter a new podcast from the athletic hosted by Prim rip apart each episode Prim Sits Down with former stars like NFL wide receiver? Doug Baldwin Slam tennis champion Andy Roddick and former number one overall. Nba draft pick. Greg Oden each offering rare insight into the highs and lows of adjusting to life off. The court. Prim gets their unique perspective on the transition. Bring you closer to the real lives of the people you've watched compete at the highest levels. Subscribe to the next chapter with prims. Ripa PAT on Apple spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. With new episodes every Wednesday Sam in addition to all the positive things happening with pro athletes. We also wanted to look at the flip side because you know there have been claims that pro athletes have had unfair access to corona virus tests for example which are of course in short supply and New York mayor. Bill de Blasio even talked about this a couple of weeks ago at the Brooklyn Nets in New York mayor. Bill de Blasio fired a tweet out. Yesterday he noted that he wished the infected nets players a speedy recovery but he also added quote with all due respect an entire. Nba team should not get tested for. Cova one thousand nine hundred while there are critically ill patients waiting to be tested. Tests should not be for the wealthy but for the sick and then you had NBA. Commissioner Adam silver responding to those criticisms and so the fundamental issue obviously there are insufficient tests. I'd only say the case the NBA. we've been following the recommendations of public health officials. Let me begin with the Situa- Sam. How do you think the NBA has handled the situation for one? They have not been one hundred percent transparent. About how many tests have been taken across the entire League That one point eight teams that had received tests after that the Denver Nuggets announced. They had one member of their organization. Who TESTED POSITIVE. But they didn't even identify if that was a player. A staff member commentator. Whatever it might be you know the Utah Jazz for example and their situation in Oklahoma City back on March eleventh you know and kind of the ground zero of the NBA's experience when Rudy Gobert test positive. The Oklahoma health officials decided that you know they have enough concern about the jazz. Did they are going to justify? Fifty eight tests that came from the public sector that sparked a lot of criticism. You know there have been reports here. In Los Angeles. For example of private practice doctors getting their hands on chronic virus tests and essentially auctioning them off to patients of there's This isn't necessarily happening with pro athletes but it does seem like to some extent there. There is a double standard for the haves and the have nots. No question I got a front row view at that. I got pretty sick right before the the virus had really ramped up in the US and and was it was on a road. Trip was feeling terrible and have coffin and I had the chills and they had body aches. That didn't necessarily have a conventional fever. But I just I felt very pretty severe and when I got in touch with my medical carrier I mean I couldn't get anywhere. I mean legitimately what I was told. You know if your symptoms are still there and three weeks then then maybe you come in and you know pretty loose parameters compared to an athlete who once they start coughing. You got somebody you know tapping him on the shoulder and saying hey go behind the velvet rope here and we'll take care you one of the other things that's raised some eyebrows with pro athletes is access to medical care. So you know. Non Essential Medical services are supposed to be halted at the moment but for example mets pitcher Noah syndergaard created a bit of a firestorm last week. When he got Tommy John Surgery on his arm. You do not then announce that your Big Star baseball player is having elective surgery on Thursday. You Dummies why. What do you expect? You're going to get people furious. And they are. They're going crazy. You know in that case you had a doctor flying from New York to Florida ignoring rules about quarantining and then doing what was certainly not a life saving surgery on baseball player. What are your thoughts on that? I mean my opinion on the syndergaard situation would just be that. I understand the idea that he might want to Rehab and get that clock. Ticking earlier rather than later but folks in everyday life right now. We're just not hearing that. It's not a priority so I think sensitivity is the way to go And you know unfortunately every once in a while I think people are going to misstep on that front and one last concern here is about misinformation so whenever you have professional athletes or anyone who's not a public health expert diving into conversations about corona virus. There's the risk of there being some misinformation right and for example in one small example of this is with Karl Anthony towns. I'm not trying to criticize the guy here. But you know when he talked about his mother situation. He mentioned telling her to go directly to the hospital when she started developing some symptoms. Well my first reaction to her was who go seek medical attention media the. There's no reason to way Oscar. But that's not what Dr Anthony Fauci has often said. And he even mentioned this in his interview with Steph. Curry is somewhere right. Now gets flu. Light centers of fever aches and bit of off. The first thing you do is stay home. Don't go to emergency room because then you might be affecting his own with a physician a nurse or a healthcare provider yet instructions from that what to do and if available you can get a test but the critical issue is don't flood the emergency rooms. Stay at home. If you really are obviously seriously ill then you gotta go quickly there. But if you just have aches pains and fever stay where you are the contact your physician just curious about your thoughts on the potential for athletes trying to do good. And maybe you know involuntarily or accidentally spreading misinformation. They need to be careful. It's interesting because you can watch these videos from all these different athletes it's going to be a PSA type message. Somebody jumps on twitter. Instagram and an athlete tells you to wash your hands. Keep your distance and that's positive and we've been talk a lot about the value of that but you can also tell that you know in. This is a good thing that they've they've been coached. They've got somebody in their ear telling them what to say telling them what's right and what's wrong from a medical standpoint. But you're going to have slip-ups Lebron James was talking about covert nineteen and was telling everybody to stay safe and take care of themselves but he kind of had a passing comment about how you know if he was a kid growing up in a tough neighborhood in Akron Ohio that his mom would not be here in this stuff about staying in a big show as out of my house gave him nerves in normal times. It's maybe a charming relatable story but right now that's not a good message to send out so these guys and these women to have to be careful. You WANNA HELP. But you can hurt if you say the wrong thing. Suzanne what are your big takeaways here? About the role that pro athletes can and do play in the public response to this pandemic. The days of you know of of families cozying up to the the television. The like it was in the sixties and seventies are over. The information is coming at you on. Your phone is coming achy through a million different channels and I just think it's productive and positive to have the right message coming from a bunch of different places not politicians People who basically Americans have come to enjoy and no through sports and those guys are are helping the cause right now. We'll say thanks so much for joining us and go boo those sons ears off the video games. Exactly how try thanks for hanging there be safe? You can follow Sam Amick coverage of the NBA at the Athletic Dot Com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead. Speaking of athletes trying to help out former knicks. Point guards to Marbury has been attempting to set up a deal to get ten million and ninety five mass to New York from China at a heavily discounted price. Marbury became a basketball icon in China after his NBA. Playing days were over and the forty three year old is now coach in the Chinese Basketball Association. He told The New York Post quote at the end of the day. I'm from Brooklyn. This is something that is close and dear to my heart as far as being able to help New York as of Sunday evening. It was unclear if Barbara's proposed deal to deliver the masks would come to fruition. Meanwhile news broke over the weekend. That Knicks owner James Dolan has tested positive for corona virus. The team made the announcement last night on twitter. The Knicks say that Dolan has been in self isolation and has little to no symptoms and will continue to oversee business operations sixty four year old is the first owner of a major. Us professional team with a known positive test and the football world is mourning Orlando mcdaniel and Bobby Bare Senior. Who both died over the weekend. Due to corona virus mcdaniel who played football and ran track at LSU was a second round pick the DENVER broncos in nineteen eighty two and played three games for the team that season. He was fifty nine years old. Bobby bare senior was the father of former. Nfl quarterback. Bobby a bear who had an eleven year career in the NFL for the Saints. Belkins a bear credits. His father for being quote the reason I made it in the NFL and in an appearance on wwl radio in New Orleans on Friday prior to his father's death he became emotional talking about his dad's battle with Cova nineteen. Bobby's certainly well said and my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. Certainly your father appreciate that. He's been a big part step away. Mark with their senior was eighty one years old. That's it for today. Everyone thanks for listening from wondering and the athletic. I'm under skelter and I'm Cathy Davidson see tomorrow.
Did The XFL Ever Have A Chance?
"It on Friday. The country's newest pro football league officially called it quits terminated as in all employees of the football league. Xfl the Vince McMahon owned xfl. The League that started with such great promise. Great ratings the xfl surprise a lot of people with its relative success and in some ways seemed like a more professional version of the violent freefall league that first appeared back in two thousand and one risk plays fearless tackles one was fair catches today. We're joined by the athletics ARIEF Assan to talk about why the new xfl folded how it evolved from its first go round and what all this means for the future of Alternative Football Leagues. Even knowing that the XFL was most likely done under by something well outside of its control a pandemic people will see these two leagues the AFL started couldn't finish their season and then folded as a result from wondering on the athletic. I'm could be the Davidson and I'm under skelter. It's Monday April thirteenth. And this is the lead. It felt like something great was. There is a passed on because this isn't a story. The athlete it stays with the lead is supported by light box. Have you heard about light box lab grown diamonds? They hacked a billion year process to grow stunning lab. Grown diamonds in about two weeks and there are some of the highest quality stones that exist. They're always Mir colorless always. Vs Clarity always very good. Cut and always eight hundred dollars per carat. They come in three colors to white blush. Pink and soft blue go to light box jewelry dot com slash lead and use code lead for twenty five dollars off. That's light box. Jewelry Dot com slash lead code lead for twenty five dollars off so a reef walks through the announcement that the xfl made. On Friday morning so the announcement was surprise. I think to most xfl employees including the players a source with the Tampa Bay Vipers confirms to ABC Action News Tonight that XFL leaders have suspended league operations laid off all employees except for a few executives the xfl essentially announced almost out of the blue. That not only would they be closing operations but they clarified that. This wasn't a suspension. All of League employees were laid off and that they would not be planning to hold a twenty twenty one season also the XFL had already cancelled it season about a month ago due to corona virus. But at that time they had said that they would be back in. Twenty twenty one. What changed in the last month? It's pretty difficult to tell what change because the XFL had enough financial backing to run for three years. Having that runway built out was a critical part of their development strategy given everything. That's happened with other alternative leagues over the years and so whatever has changed hasn't leaked out. It hasn't gotten to any of the employees that I've talked to in. Certainly this has caught broadcast partners by surprise. You've negotiated a longer term contracts with the XFL. Vince McMahon the WWe basically financed his ability to start the xfl with the wwe shutdown with sources of revenue completely dried with his investment income. Completely down I'm speculating but I don't think I'm wrong. You have to make choices the XFL is just the latest league to fail in an era where the NFL is just so dominant. What challenges have these alternative leagues faced in general and what makes it so hard to compete with the NFL? One of the biggest issues is the ability to acquire talent players that want to play professional football. Want to play in the NFL. There's no question about it and so if you've got the ability to choose between the two leagues you'll play in the NFL. That's a big part of it. They're just going to have a higher level of play. And then the second thing is that. It's very difficult to convince somebody to invest in a very expensive venture like sports and take on losses for a long period of time before they can establish themselves as a brain as time goes on the closer we get to the current era the more the NFL has dominated what it means to play. Professional football in the sixties there was no understanding that the NFL was the only game in town. And now it's it's a given that the NFL is definitely who you WanNa go to in the NFL's modern era. The closest any league has come to rivaling the NFL or at least surviving for a few years at the same time was the usfl back in the early eighties. Usfl has attracted top quality. Players like heisman trophy winners. Doug Flutie and Herschel Walker Steve. Young Jim Kelly ended up signing out of college with the USFL. For gobs of money is not the shootout at OK corral but should come close they express was Steve. Young the gamblers with Jim. Kelly expect about a thousand yards on offense. The perhaps as sixty point the astrodome. Houston how did the USFL manage to do as well as it did and survived for three seasons? How did it mark itself? It seems to be the marketing hook of almost every competing league. It's more fun gone out of football. That has become predictable. Present thirty seconds of football style. And how much more open it is in terms of you know throwing the ball which in one thousand eighty was actually a pretty big sell because the NFL was not throwing the ball as much and then in two thousand one the xfl tried to build on what the USFL had started at least in terms of marketing itself as an alternative to the NFL. How did the first iteration of the XFL bill itself somewhat like the USA fell but a little bit more direct Directly calling the NFL? The no fun league. This is where football is played for the of of the game new indoor feels no prima donnas no wimps here. The rules are fiercer. The clock is faster and halftime is a break not a vacation. It was well in line with the type of promotions that you'd see in wrestling which makes sense given that the xfl in two thousand one Was founded by. Vince McMahon. The owner of I think was the WWF at the time but now it's the WWe McMahon's world created world out. If I'm going to be embarrassed I'll tell you why I'm not going to be embarrassed. And so we he announced the xfl there was a lot of bombast. There was a lot of attitude. Era Style Wwf promotion which directly called out the NFL HOLD NFL football for Pansies via League for Pantywaisty. Pick our cameras into the locker rooms onto the sidelines where the NFL is afraid to go for. Fear that they would hurt. Bear Cam guarantees some. If it was just in the way that they wanted the players to approach the game they gave players license to have a lot more personality. There was the ability for players to Kinda choose the names on the back of the Jersey. Got The most popular nickname sports as rod smart. He hates me. He the game football he has a falling nickname was could well. I'll tell you what J. are so popular. My wife and mother-in-law twenty-five years never liked football. Tell very sorry. He hit me also the rules themselves. Were much more in line with what you would expect somebody who complains about how soft the NFL is. There's a famous advertisement for the xfl where there's no there's nothing confirmed about the xfl yet. No Stadium's no names no players signed and so they have to do a lot to try and make sure that it captures audience. Attention extreme training has begun and so they do a bunch of hyperbole players tackling mack trucks Howard serves on the field players one through a minefield and at the end of every one of these commercial segments. They mentioned this didn't mention no catches the XFL NBC. That were eight and a player in silhouette catches a punt and gibbs destroyed by a wrecking ball. And then also these seemingly did not have much of a concussion. Protocol Jeff Brom. Who is currently the head coach of Purdue Football But was at the time quarterback for the Orlando rage at the end of his career. He Been Info quarterback for about six or seven teams ended up receiving a fairly nasty hit game. I saw his head one way in his body. And I'm like Oh goodness knows. I decided I was like man ended up having to go to the hospital. Which if you've ever watched a wwe skit where where player undergoing hospital shot the exact same way. But he legitimately went to. The hospital ended up getting a neck. Brace in so He'd clearly had suffered from a concussion. He clearly suffered from potentially other injuries than six days later he's on the sidelines. Suited up ready to go and the reporter asks him. Jeff Ron how in the world are you starting this game tonight? After taking that hit just six days ago well let me let me answer that question by asking you questions one is this. There is not the xfl yes it is to do our. Doron not currently have a pulse. Yes I do is play football which is so emblematic of the way. The xfl seemed to glorify the fact that the players were subject to a ton of potential injury and reentry. Vince McMahon doesn't just borrow marketing tips and techniques from wrestling. He borrows wrestlers to promote the XFL. Yep The rock cut a promotion for the xfl smell what the rock is. The Rock says he's all about the XFL or wait a minute. The rockets inside. He's about the XFL. No no no no no the rocks pumped the Raucous gaped about the xfl. It's cut exactly like arrests and promotion. It's about the xfl and the Rock actually appears several times over the course of the several weeks season of the two thousand one xfl year and he would take attitude are wrestlers like the Rock and use them to promote the XFL product and one of those promotions. There's this very cringes skit. From two thousand one some have called it. An unprecedented television event others have called it a desperate Koi to increase sagging ratings in any event. Xfl Founder Chairman at noted racketeer noted Raconteur. Vince McMahon has ordered a camera into the locker room of the Orlando rage cheerleaders at halftime capture the essence. Whatever it is they do. Yeah it's it's maybe the most well-known skit I think from the xfl as ratings have been dropping off they came up with this idea to you know quote unquote send a camera person into the cheerleaders locker room which was embarrassing for everyone involved only other that door he sheer of paradise. Want you to get in there and I want you to go. Get me some ratings. Hey wait wait wait wait wait. I. They didn't actually end up going into a cheerleaders locker room. Anything like that just ended up becoming part of of a skit that ended up being Krinsky so ultimately what happened to the first. Xfl Why did it fail? There's a couple of reasons the first is that they were an NBC broadcast partner. One of the NFL's best games ever went to double overtime ended up through a number of reasons including technical errors on the part of power going out in l. a. and stuff infringing or forcing Saturday night. Live to just wait when they had one of their biggest guests of the year Jennifer Lopez and so they end up forcing Saturday night. Live to wait. Maybe another extra half hour. Lorne michaels gets angry and began kind of dissembling the relationship. Nbc has with the XFL and at the same time the xfl after an enormous ratings boost in the first week just ended up having pretty poor ratings as the we gone on the Games. They ended up airing nationally. Were not that great. The talent on the field was not a priority for the XFL and ended up not providing a ton of really great football and they ended up kind of stepping on the toes of some of the the biggest executives at NBC and so there was not a particular incentive for broadcast partners. I can be to prioritize them or promote them or anything like that and they just began running out of money with all the uncertainty in the world. Feeling safe at home has never been more important. So let's talk about simplisafe home. Security simplisafe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home without technicians or sales people coming to your house you just order online. Set it up yourself in under an hour and your home is protected. Twenty four seven with emergency dispatch for break INS fires and more. You don't need to pay any outrageous monthly fees or sign a two year contract. It cost US fifty cents a day. 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Subscribe to the next chapter with prims. Ripa PAT on Apple spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. With new episodes every Wednesday. So let's pick up the story a couple years ago after everyone and thank you for joining today's press conference the new xfl kick off and twenty twenty and quite frankly we're going to give the game of football back to fans in two thousand eighteen. Vince McMahon announces that. The XFL is coming back but he's immediately in competition with another football league. That's about to launch. Tell us about the AF. The Alliance of American football was founded actually after xfl. Twenty twenty was announced but ran games before the XFL. A NEW ERA OF PRO FOOTBALL. It's the premiere of the alliance. Cvs IS THE ORLANDO. Apollo's host the Atlanta Legend. Set Spectrum Stadium here in or they were primarily tech company invested in developing gambling technology for sports gambling because they anticipated that the United States would soon legalize nationwide sports gambling in so they created a football product to feature in some ways a lot of the technology including an APP that allows you to play a game that would eventually end up being turned into a gambling APP once it became legal but they also had other strategies like developing a relationship with the NFL in. This is kind of weird. They're commissioner bill. A former executive for both bills in the colts come in. They wanted their eight teams to have relationships with four. Nfl teams each and then eventually potentially become a minor league system for the NFL with the NFL. Might be able to send some players down in the same way that You can with with baseball in the minor league or in English Premier League when you've got players out on loan to other clubs develop them through through game plan practices so that became part of it. They set up in cities that did not have. Nfl teams like Salt Lake for example Or Birmingham and then they also wanted to track. Local interests so salt lake for example had a lot of players from Utah Utah State and Brigham Young. And then of course the fourth thing is that they played in the spring and so they wouldn't have to compete directly with the NFL one. It seems like there was a lot of excitement when it launched. So how did the A. F. Fall apart so quickly? The primary reason was that they didn't have a ton of money and again part of this is because they just didn't have as much lead time before their first game And so they didn't secure all the investors they wanted the head of some investors. Pull out by the time. The first week started and so players were concerned that the paychecks wouldn't come through coaches told their teams in in practices. That if you know your money doesn't hit your bank account by Friday. I'm not going out there and you don't need to go out there either. Which is just a remarkable level of a lack of faith in in their ability to meet payroll. They didn't have stadiums organized they didn't figure. Out LOCAL STATE TAX law. It was really a product of the fact that they wanted to be the xfl the market. They ended up not being able to pay vendors at stadiums. They ended up not being able to pay a lot of their obligations and expenses and that included. Just not having enough money to do things like meet payroll for his players and so while the AF is failing. Financially Vince McMahon was getting set to relaunch the xfl but he was taking a much different approach than the first time around. How was this iteration of the xfl? Xfl Twenty twenty supposed to be different while he was much more focused on putting together a really good football product the xfl twenty twenty has named former NFL NCWA player and executive Oliver. Luck as its first commissioner and CEO. Lock in so hiring Oliver. Luck as the commissioner famously Andrew ex-father but somebody with a remarkable amount of experience was a big move that they were invested in the business side of things and they hired people who are dedicated to scouting and acquiring talent experience. Head coaches people like Jim Zoran and Helmi one of the most legendary Offensive Line in the history of football. They ended up signing some players that were for whatever reason not available for the NFL but were in fact genuinely talented. Thanks to the hard work of their scouting staff and they made sure that there was enough money to have that runway. We were talking about to take on all of these losses for about three years to cover costs for three years and make sure that they've got all of their T.'s. Crossed I's dotted to make sure that they've got you know. Deals with stadiums deals with broadcast partners which were national They've got you know insurance payments set up for the next three years and so they made sure that the financial Underbelly was was rock solid that that structure was there the xfl also had some really funky experimental rules and innovations on the field and in the way the game was covered. The new xfl. Fan centric. Would all the things you like to see less of the things? You don't and a lot of innovations along the way I think the most interesting obvious one was the way they handled extra points which actually borrows from the two thousand one. Xfl experiment where instead of kicking extra points. You had something called pressure points. No more tickers for extra points. After touchdowns in the xfl teams can score either one two or three points depending on how far back they start. They got rid of kickoffs. You you end up just starting plate which I think people were pretty excited about at the beginning of games They implemented something that the AFL had also implemented Which I think they even announced before the AF was going to be part of the rules. The Sky Judge who reviewed calls as they happened on the field. Communicated with referees was in the stadium and they had a camera on the sky. Judge those hit the ground. But I don't see anything that's GonNa make me overturn this. I don't see that loss of control at all so you know. Let's tighten up. We wanted to take an extra look at it. We're just going to stick with the ruling on a feeling completely catch. Appa further review who wanNA feel stance after further review? The rule of appeal. I now that I love to transparency and that actually was a huge hit among fans because it created a level of transparency into the review and understanding of the reasoning for why a review was going one way or the other and then of course yet a bunch of other quirks. Like you know. Interviewing a quarterback on the sideline run after. He fumbled kicker right after he mixes a field. Goal tyrod kicker I know you haven't kicked in a meaningful game in about two three years here just for you getting it back out. You'RE GONNA get another chance sort of what you meant. How going forward right now. I just got to go back to basics Just try to rush it all. It was trying to do too much has got a simple pretty brutal interview situation of being in the middle of a game but was also exciting for people to see. There is so much buzz around the start of their season. Were there any games or moments that really stood out to you? Yeah for sure I think initially people just like initial with the AF. People were pretty excited about the product that was put together. Some people ended up turning off the television because again it was not as high quality football as they were used to but there were some really talented players and plays. I think the the most exciting player in the fells was former temple quarterback. Pj lockable walker stays on his own. He was a remarkable scrambler. Kind of anything that you want in in terms of an exciting kind of offbeat. Xfl product key definitely had a should have been a sack that should have been a loss. I'm not sure how he did that and I think he lost his shoe in the process players like Jordan. Tom Who who was maybe less exciting but more efficient and methodical in kind of moving down the field taboo. Try to take off. He will pick up a first down at plenty more hits side that ten before he's taken down take thirty five yard scramble. They had some some pretty fun. Receivers big play McHale McKay. Who's actually a star in the F? As well suppressor steps away go a DVD. Got A man. Mckay outside the fifteen. There's your Guy Greg Olsen beauty well and there has been a little bit of a silver lining here. You know When when the NFL league season started when NFL FREE AGENCY OPENS? We actually saw a number of xfl players get signed to the NFL the mentioned PJ Walker he signing with the Carolina Panthers. The xfl worked. And and you're the shining example of that. Would you agree? Yeah absolutely Experiencing Bob Games that we played arm. I wish we would've paid the full of season Jordan. Thomas who had just mentioned some of the Kansas City chiefs to compete for a job tobacco Patrick Mahomes and you end up with some players ended up being a F- standouts that we're XFL standards ended up signing so players like the Marquess Gates linebacker for the Houston roughnecks ends up signing with the Minnesota Vikings former Minnesota Vikings and Robinson also former Houston roughneck. Linebacker sides with Falcons you know a couple of tight ends Donald Parham this Stetson tight end ended up being the engine of his offense to the Dallas renegades for Forbidden ends up signing with the Angeles chargers and expect a couple more to sign. You know after the draft is over because you ended up with some pretty good highlight plays from from some of these players would the xfl have had a chance without the corona virus shutdown. I think so. Obviously it's Kinda speculation like every other alternative league the ratings kind of dipped from week to week to week but the ratings were doing better than the A. F. spy week four week five and I think this is the kind of product that you have to invest in a number of years of loss which they were willing to do in order to kind of turn it into a brand that people were pretty interested in. I think the quality of football was surprisingly high. And you ended up having some really exciting moments but sometimes the world. Kinda just doesn't let you run that out. And so with the pandemic shutting down the League and I think a number of Seattle dragons or other. Xfl players ended up having to get tested or even testing positive for covered nineteen That ends up creating a damper on your ability to sustain interest in a product that requires three years of continual investment. What does the demise of the xfl mean for the future of alternate football leagues in the country idea? We mean nothing but I. I don't think that that's kind of the way the world works. I think that even knowing that the xfl was most likely done under by something well outside of its control pandemic people will see. Hey these two leagues year after year the AFL started couldn't finish their season and then folded as a result. I broadcast partner. I'm not comfortable. Bumping shows off of my primetime slots in order to feature and sign a contract with the team or a league. That is not going to be able to fulfill its obligations So I think it's GonNa make broadcast partners more wary. I think it's GonNa make it very difficult. For investors to invest in fund. The capital needed to start a sports league even though I think the fundamentals of the NFL we'll probably find. It's much easier to kind of see the result and say. I don't WanNa do that than it is to try and project the potential and say I want to take that risk again round. Thank you so much for joining us. Arief hopefully this doesn't signal the end of Alternate Football Leagues in the future. Have thanks for having me and and I really hope it doesn't because I am such for this stuff you can read a Reefa San's coverage of the Minnesota Vikings and his past coverage of the xfl at the athletic dot com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead in a sentence. I never imagined I would ever say NFL. Commissioner Roger Goodell will announce all of the first round picks for the upcoming NFL draft from his basement. That's according to Peter King of NBC sports. It has long been believed that goodell might announce draft picks from his home. But the fact that he'll be broadcasting from a man cave in his Bronxville New York home is a new revelation the NFL draft is set to take place virtually from April twenty third to April twenty fifth former WNBA player. Tomorrow more has been hired to coach the men's basketball team at Mesaba Range College in Minnesota. In taking over as head coach at the junior college more becomes the only woman head coach of a men's College Basketball Team. Moore who played six seasons the WNBA and last appeared in the League in two thousand seven will also be the head coach for the women's softball team atmosphere range and finally Edmonton oilers center. Kobe cave died over the weekend at age. Twenty five cave had been in a medically induced coma since Tuesday his wife. Emily announcing his passing on Saturday morning and thinking everyone further prayers and support through this difficult time cave undergone emergency surgery last week after suffering a brain bleed the oilers issued a statement saying quote on behalf of the Edmonton oilers hockey club and the Bakersfield condors. We want to express our deepest condolences to the family and friends after the passing of our teammate. Kobe cave earlier this morning. Kobe was a terrific teammate. With great character admired and liked everywhere he played our thoughts and prayers. Go out to his wife. Emily is family and friends at this very difficult time. That's it for today. Thanks for listening as always. Please remember to give us a five star rating and tell your friends to check this out from wondering on the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson. And I'm under SCELZO. See You tomorrow.
Introducing The Lead
"You know that we're all about human drama here bald move and I have long maintained it. When it comes to drama. It's hard to beat live sports for thrills and chills just in my lifetime. I'll never ever forget the time to Eric. dickerson scored four touchdowns against the broncos on Halloween night. When Reggie Miller scored eight points eight point nine seconds to beat the Knicks and game one of the ninety I five Eastern Conference semi-finals or win my colts finally got past the Patriots in a two thousand six. AFC Championship game coming all the way back from an eighteen point deficit to win the game name and go on to win our first Super Bowl in Indianapolis. That's why we're excited to share with you. A new daily sports podcasts from one DRI and the athletic called called the lead is for the kind of sports fan who wants to go beyond the box score every weekday morning the lead will bring you one big time story from Athletics All Star Team of local the national sports reporters some stories will be a fresh take on a major news event and other episodes feature an in depth look into what's been happening off the field. The lead has hosted by Sportswriter Kavita Aviva Davidson and peabody award winning journalists unders Kelco who will take you close to the story through comprehensive reporting fasten clips and exclusive interviews. You won't hear anywhere else else now. You're about to hear a preview of the lead that looks into what really went down after that blown call and the two thousand eighteen. NFL playoff game between the rams and the saints while you're listening go subscribe to the lead on Apple podcasts or wherever you're listening to this podcast right here. There's also a link and episode notes for your convenience born in last season's. NFL Playoffs as every football fan remembers the New Orleans Saints were on the verge verge of a trip to the super bowl breeze but that no the one of the worst calls in sports history going crazy as there's no right on the saint sideline but it was all anyone could talk about for days bad call that had saints fans screaming last night. I'll glaring case of pass interference one of the most obvious case you'll ever see and and it wasn't penalized and it led to an unprecedented response for saints fans ca billboards boycott federal lawsuits against the NFL including writing reports of a possible class action lawsuit against the NFL filed by people who lost big money betting on the saint the issue even ended up on the floor of the US Senate. The state of Louisiana is outraged because of what happened in the Superdome last Sunday so today we're going to talk with Larry holder a football columnist who lives in New Orleans about why saints fans have taken their quest for justice thanou extremes and we'll hear why neither the rule change that came from all of this nor yesterday's rematch between the two teams has changed how saints fans hands feel from wondering on the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson. Am It's Monday September sixteenth and this is the lead felt like something was happening. There is something of emotion and it don't matter now you're talking. This isn't a story rear view the athletes it stays with you Kavita. What's up volunteers well before we get started. This is is the very first episode of the lead and since you and I are the hosts. I thought maybe we should just quickly explain what the show is so. The lead is the show I always wish existed and I always wished I could have listened to you. I'm a sports writer obviously but I was a sports fan. I and it's really all about great stories great stories from great sports reporters who are all over the country an on the ground. I mean these are journalists who live in these cities and no these teams we know these players but you don't have to be a fan of those teams or those players to care about these stories for example in this first episode you talk to Larry Holder holder who has covered the New Orleans saints for Almost fifteen years about why this terrible call provoked such an unprecedented reaction yes yeah and talking to Larry. Really helped me understand why saints fans did what they did. It's really something anyone could identify with so. Should we get to the story story. Let's go for it so Larry. Let's start with a very basic question question. How important is football is the game of football to the city of New Orleans. I'll just put it this way. When Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans August two thousand and five and of course everyone is recovering from the storm people. Are Literally taking their FEMA checks to by saint season season tickets. That's how important the saints are to this community and I'd say without the saints returning to the city at that point. I don't think the city would have ever you actually rebounded so I would say unlike many if any NFL fan base within the League all right so let's go back to this incredible no call its last year's. NFC Championship game the saints and the Rams are tied in the fourth quarter and the saints look like they're about to score four and book a trip to the Super Bowl convert and there's a good chance to saints are GonNa. Come Away with more points on.
Gronk Joins Brady in Tampa Bay
"Well bromance is not dead. The Patriots are sending the rights to Rob Gronkowski along with a seventh round draft. Pick to the Tampa. Bay buccaneers Bray Fourth Round draft pick. Gronk is hanging the wrestling belt and hurricane glasses and pick it up his cleats to reunite with Tom. Brady in Tomba Bay. That that hurt to say today. We talked with Gregg allman about how this reunion made in. Heaven came about what it means for the box and whether Gronk will help Brady prove that he can win without bill from wondering and the athletic. I'm under skelter and I'm Cathy Davidson. It's Wednesday April twenty second and this is the lead it felt like something was emotion and closer the past. Don't matter because this isn't a story here the F. It stays with you with the capital one quicksilver card you earn unlimited one point. Five percent cashback on every purchase everywhere. That's unlimited one point. Five percent cashback on everything you buy and unlimited really means unlimited with. Quicksilver there's no limit to how much cash back you can earn capital one. What's in your wallet? Credit approval required capital one bank. Usa All right Gregg. We'd heard the rumors but yesterday it actually happened. Gronk came out of retirement to reunite with Tom. Brady in Tampa. Tell us how this actually came out. Yeah this is something that this kind of been. There's been scuttled about this for some time. As soon as breeding came on board there was natural questions about who might follow him from New England whether it be Julian Edelman who's top receiver in one of his closest friends. The last couple of years and then Brian Kelsey was the fun one and that was always kind of the circus element so the idea that gronk would come out of retirement and the bucks would somehow trade for his rights. It seemed like too much just a little bit crazy last week. I got tape about a dinner with grunk and Brady and the head coach and GM at a steakhouse in Tampa. And it's like the stakeout isn't even open cigarette. Could they open up for a private party and then we had the GM the next day. And I I kind of asked coil them like the last time you were in the same room with the head coach. And he's like it's been more than two weeks so again you kind of think. It's just a over exaggerated tip or something and it just wasn't going to happen. Gronkowski had done an instagram live video. This is two days ago. And he's like working out and they kind of asked him. Hey what about these books rumors? You GotTa Keep Your Leroy. You've got quite man and I was one of those where he didn't shoot it down so you're not sure that point whether he's just being coy or he just likes to have his name in the headlines. Still. Even though he's retired happen very quickly this afternoon went from. Hey He'd like to come back to traded a fourth round pick to get him in less than an hour and obviously GRONK has been enjoying retirement. Right there baby. It's on the beach at reins. That's why the notion because it rains. You know we're good. Wet T shirt contest. It could have got some of my friends here. They love that stuff. Do we have to apologize to you? Know he's been throwing Beach Party at the Super Bowl and he's been pursuing careers in pro wrestling and reality television. Walk talk out. Cries offering low four seven. The first question I had was just how much how much does he let himself go? You know he's got a year away from football and some of that is just you know. These guys aren't necessarily meant to carry two hundred sixty pounds on their frame. So you wonder if you stop working with. Nfl Trainers and eating the way NFL players eat to keep their to maintain their body weight. And say how quickly he dropped to two thirty two twenty and just not look as much like tight end but it sounds like he's kept his off very good shape don't really know when we're starting in NFL season but he probably has at least four months in the lease to kind of pack on a little bit of what used to have on his frame and get himself back like the big muscular tight end that he was when he played the Patriots. Well this was a no brainer for the bucks. They added not one but two future hall of famers. We all know how good these guys are. Just reminded us how good they are together. This is the best connection that Tom Brady has had in his career hat. Radio extending the same page with brought to the twenty nine yards. He's had different runs with different wide receivers but nobody to the success and the longevity that he's had a relationship with Rob Gronkowski. I think it's seventy eight touchdowns between the two of them and the next highest that he has in his career is thirty nine with Randy Moss. So it's literally double the next closest and then especially when you think about when those touchdowns matter the most Brady law slumping reaching. They look stoppable. Three touchdowns and Super Bowls Gronkowski has literally played an entire season. Sixteen Games of playoff football. I think is more touchdown catches himself than the buccaneers have as a franchise in their history so obviously him coming on board changes things a lot very quickly just like Tom Brady does one. This is the latest chapter in. I guess you could save bromance of Tom. Brady and Rob Gronkowski. Can you describe the very special relationship that these two have? The Beach Party Saturday night Super Bowl. Week will brady with you or will the he'd be preparing for an NFC opponent in the Super Bowl. You know I think he'll be with me no matter what I mean. I know for fact. I've been a few super bowls that they have off from twelve thirty two eight O clock every Saturday before the super bowl he can make the party. It's from one to seven. He'll be there you know it's funny because you think about the influences. Tom Brady and I think you have bill. Belichick who's obviously very serious and grounding and probably is what we see Brady is someone who's very careful and measured in how he responds to questions and Grog is kind of the other side. Bronx the little brother. Obviously he came into league ten years later. Kind of a nonstop party guy and it'd be fun to see how that rubs off. Brady's my quarterbacking going anywhere. Wherever you know. If it's something you never had to worry about you only ever had to catch passes from maybe the best quarterback ever you can see why you keep your standard really high and you kind of politely decline when they try and trade you to the Lions and anybody else really. I think this is a situation where there was one team. He was gonNA play for and it's the team that had Tom Brady as their quarterback. This isn't the first time a future hall of Famer has come out of retirement to play for the team that he wanted to play for In two thousand seventeen marshawn lynch came out of retirement after the seahawks agreed to trade him to the raiders. The seahawks and raiders are expected to work out a trade for the running back but first lynch must rework his current deal that he signed before that what similarities. Do you see between these two situations. The raiders were able to get marshawn Lynch for next to nothing but in both cases I think you had some Lynch and Gronk both retired a little bit earlier than you'd imagine. I think most people that you ask them. How Old Rob Rob Gronkowski is? They probably think he's older older than thirty years old. He played started young and here. He is able to come at a retirement. He's still only thirty years old. While and when it comes to Marchand Gronk you know. We've seamus this. This trend of player empowerment and being able to kind of dictate which team you're on We've seen this in the NBA. Do you think this signals a similar trend in the NFL is probably a unique situation. Like you said. Gronk has a fair amount of leverage here in that. He's a first ballot hall of Famer. He's had his Jersey retired with the Patriots of sure. Once they've been gone for a year. You kind of accepted. Someone has moved on and and here with Gronk. It's always been a conversation point is. Is You really done. Is You really retired so in a situation like this there's not teams bidding for Rob Gronkowski. He's not gonNA. It's not like the Denver. Broncos can offer a third round pick and get it. 'cause GRONK is going to play for the team. That has Tom Brady well. How good can we realistically expect? Gronk to be after his time off. He's been keeping in shape. Obviously but as you mentioned he he has lost some weight. He's obviously not in his prime. And whenever you talk about Gronk. Injuries are going to be a concern. Yeah he's dealt with a crazy on injuries in the three years before he retired hamstring herniated disc in his back groin. Fi concussion all kinds of stuff he's dealt with so he's had a year off and I think that definitely helps to to heal up and arrest if you will but in terms of what constitutes successful year for Gronk. I would tell you if he place. Most of the year is healthy most of the year and obviously we can think of the boxes a playoff team so if they're in the playoffs to kind of be Brady and Gronkowski in the playoffs that's ultimately what you're paying for. I mean whether he gets five hundred yards or eight hundred yards. Whether he gets four touchdowns your eight touchdowns that kind of depends on. How Brady split up the passes and the and the touchdowns this year. What I'm most curious to see how much he's been able to recuperate. And recover and start this second chapter with a a healthy body to work with. At least how important will bronx presence in the locker room be to Brady? Establishing himself as the leader of this new team. I think there's a chemistry. You're GONNA see right away one of the things. I kind of wondered if I would radius. How well he'd do locker more? He doesn't know anyone. I mean this is a completely foreign environment for him so even if it's just a handful of players two or three guys that he can bring in from his patriots teams. It's going to help them. Have familiar. Faces have people that get his jokes and know how he likes things and it won't just be Tom? Brady and fifty four strangers. Now he's got the best type babies ever thrown to just as a familiar face as some of them that's going to ground him and remind him that he's just another football team. That part of I think it probably helps him in that transition. 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The lead that's the athletic dot com slash the lead to start your ninety day free trial. Today you've covered this team Greg. On the local level you spent nineteen years of the Tampa Bay Times. What's IT GONNA be like for that fan base And for for the city of Tampa and for their fans to see their team thrust into the national spotlight. Yeah it's wild and very unfamiliar for people here. I mean there was a relevance you know seventeen years ago when they want a Super Bowl Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks their their hall of fame. Players have been defensive players. I mean if you saw Derrick Brooks in a restaurant in New York City. I don't know that you know who he is. And the name. Recognition factor the The casual fan knowing who you are is so much different way. Tom Brady their grandmothers. That haven't watched a football game in five years that no Tom Brady is so. There's just a a national relevance that they have not had it all that the immediately have with Tom Brady at quarterback with Rob Gronkowski tight end and it changes everything and this is a team that was thirtieth in the NFL in attendance last year. And they'll you know they'll go from being fifteen thousand seat short of sell out on average to I would think selling out most of their games. this changes that in a big way this is. This is probably a team that will have like five. Primetime Games so Jersey sales. Tom Brady was the number one selling Jersey in the NFL last year. And that's when he's played for the same team in the same Jersey for twenty years. You'd think everybody in New England that wanted a Brady Jersey would have won before two thousand nine thousand nine hundred and he was still the number one selling Jersey in the NFL so Once they serve being able to make these jerseys with normal conditions in the world we live in. There's going to be a ton of Brady jerseys all over Tampa and it's GonNa be a ton of bucks jerseys all over Massachusetts because people that have root for Tom Brady for their entire adult. Lives are gonNA keep rooting for him. Even though he's with another team Gronk is only thirty. You know Tom Brady is forty two. He's on a a two year contract right now. Do you think realistically Tampa Bay has a two year period right now a two year threshold to win a championship. Yeah I would think so. Brady is in very much uncharted territory. There's never been a fulltime forty three year old. Nfl starting quarterback There's only one quarterback in NFL history. That started a game at that age. And even thrown a touchdown so Tom Brady did things last year. That no forty two year old had ever done. So there's every expectation he can do that at forty three He's had remarkably good luck at staying healthy. He's kept himself in amazing physical condition. He hasn't missed a game due to injury since two thousand eight. But yeah when your quarterback is forty two when your head coach is sixty seven There's a very narrow window in which you can try and win things so I'll be curious to see if the buccaneers even do things like trade picks next year's draft to add a pick in this year's draft or move up in this year's draft. They're very much a chips to the middle of the table. Put everything in to build a win around Tom. Brady and try and see what you can do not next year even but this year in twenty twenty and Tampa do you think if they if they make all those moves that Tampa Bay Hen when a super bowl the next two years Rono. It's definitely I mean again. It's it's silly at one point to say that you can say that about the bucks when they haven't even been to the playoffs thirteen years. But if you get into the playoffs and Tom Brady is your quarterback. It's very easy to see why there's optimism around that This is the most decorated postseason quarterback in NFL history. And yes. All of that came with Belichick as coach with a very talented patriots team. But I think there's confidence here that if they can get to the playoffs if they can get to meeting football games in January that's where his success is going to be decided. I don't think he's worried. About how many games? Winning in the regular season he wants to know how DP can go in the playoffs. He's GonNa he's GonNa measure his tests. By how many wins? He gets in January. Does he get to the championship. Game in the NFC. Does he get to the Super Bowl? And does he win it? He had three years where he made the Super Bowl lost. So I don't think there's anyone that's set the bar higher than than Tom Brady does when he joined your team. Well and of course they say they do still have to get through the saints. Yeah that's true. I think that's very much something people will point out. There's excitement around this team but the NFC south has been the Saints Division for the last three years. They still have drew brees. They still have Michael. Thomas they still have Alvin Kamara and all the weapons that have made them the team to be for the last three years so until the bucks can actually beat the saints. It's still very much New Orleans division. Those two games are going to be huge. National Gains Tom Brady and drew. Brees are one two in. Nfl history in touchdowns and yards. So it's wild to have them as division rivals now and only one of them is gonNA come out of this season with a home playoff game and yeah you're right. This is still very much a drew brees division and the Saints Division to lose but I think most people will see the bucks as as the Best Challenger that this division has had to that in the last couple of years here on finally Greg. Is Julian Edelman? The loneliest man in the world right now he probably is. It's like It's like the Beatles got back together and like Ringo was still Kinda just hanging out. Jillions played his entire career in New England. He would very much like to have that thing. Were you play your whole career in one spot? And that's all you know is one team and one fan base and one home stadium but his guy just left me. Tom Brady is gone now. So it's going to be a weird thing for him to finish out his career with jared stood up or someone else. Who's not the best quarterback ever and not his best friend in the world as his quarterback so it's it's odd but yeah he's kind of the odd man out all this fun reunion. We have here in Tampa while Greg. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. You guys stay safe. Thanks again. You can follow Greg almonds coverage of the Tampa Bay buccaneers and Follow Rob Gronkowski being the ultimate Florida man at the Athletic Dot Com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead reigning. Nfl MVP Lamar. Jackson accidentally. Let it slip that he will be on the cover of Madden twenty one and the ravens broadcast this news to the world you are you are the cover man twenty one. I am regulations as everyone knows if you're on the cover of Madden your supposedly doomed to injury or some other sort of misfortune. But Lamar accent says. He really isn't worried noting that Patrick Mahomes was also on the cover and he wound up being the Super Bowl. Mvp and if that's a curse he'd be happy to have it. Jackson also said it was a huge honor on a furnace between come true accomplishment of light. Cheers right here on. Meanwhile the ongoing saga surrounding the UFC during the covert nineteen pandemic continues multiple outlets reported on Tuesday that the promotions next event is now planned for. The event was originally supposed to happen. On April Eighteenth at the Tachi Palace Casino resort which is on tribal land and would have allowed. You have SI to skirt lockdown rules in California. The new event is reportedly going to happen in Florida which has been criticized for its lax locked down rules. A memo issued by Florida Governor Rick Desanta earlier. This month said that professional sports were in essential business and could go on if they were closed to the public and finally sports are slowly coming back in some parts of the world. The Korean Baseball Organization announced. We'll begin its season on May fifth and has begun training and exhibition games. Fans won't be allowed in stadiums and officials say that won't change until the threat of Kobe. Nineteen is largely reduced. Umpires team staff were gloves and masks. During those open exhibitions and the League plans on playing a full one hundred and forty four game season but with no all star game in a shortened first round playoff series. That's it for today. 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How Germany Got Its Soccer Back
"Extraordinary times twenty. Six of the Bundesliga kicks off this weekend. Bundesliga became the first major sports league to return to play and lucky soccer fans is arguably the most exciting Regan Europe right now today. The Athletics Raphael Hone Eckstein joins us to explain how Germany became the first nation in Europe to bring back sports bligh. Some people aren't thrilled with the decision. And what to expect in the very close title race we have if not a genuine four-way race at least two and a half teams who can push bond all the way from wondering and the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson UNDERSCO. It's Monday may eighteenth and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening emotion. And just because I get this. This isn't a story interview. The athlete it stays with you so rafael soccer aside. What are things like in Germany right now? Things are almost back to normal. I speak to my father. And he just tells me that he's been in Munich and a closed shop that he's still Barbara. You quite not yet allowed to sit inside but you can drink outside. You can pick up most things some swimming pools even open in some of the states. We've seen even amateur sports coming back. Fitness centers have reopened of course all the petitions restrictions or with social distancing in place. But a real sense. That nomadic is not quite back but on its way back well like all of Europe. Germany has been hit pretty hard by the corona virus but overall the country seems to have managed the crisis pretty well in Germany. The death toll from the corona virus is significantly lower than elsewhere in Europe. Chancer Merkel addressed some concern. I know you're not a health reporter but from your perspective. What has worked to Germany's advantage thing? A couple of things have made the difference Germany. As far as keeping the deficit low the only had about eight thousand fatalities which is much much lower than the big countries surrounding into or even the UK. Joni had extensive highly developed testing enticing program already in place people who were tested positive than had to hand in a form detailing all the people that were in contact with. And you would then get a phone call from your local health Chasing all these people's making sure that they tested therefore they kept asymmetric aces and people not knowing that they actually had the virus to a minimum and also the actual treatment was much better. Job has a higher number of intensive care units compared to all of its big neighbors. German health system is relatively well funded and managed to treat people effectively to give you an example maybe a comparison in the UK. In London. Where I live. You really have to be almost dying before the hospital would see you In Germany few showed even minus symptoms. You could find somebody would help you to basically just the care was much more effective. Therefore they were able to come out of this to some extent much quicker than than most big countries around them. So tell us about the process of reopening the Bundesliga. How was that decision? Made so decision follows an intense period of lobbying prime ministers to state prime ministers who were in charge. Were heavy schmoozed. I think is probably the best way to put it. That's a German term right. Jim By the people in the clubs to give an example the varia were by Munich based one of the most powerful and richer states and often failure. Which is the most populous state governments? Were basically lobbied and within a few weeks. It was clear that if the quick present a concept of medical concept that minimized to a tolerable level that those local armistice would be quite amenable to allow him to come back but this definitely hasn't been without controversy Germany public opinion over the return of soccer games is split a recent poll suggests just over half of respondents oppose it just as the country's easing it's tough corona virus locked out. It wasn't university popular some of the organized. Fan Groups. Say we understand that you have to come back but football without fans is nothing and we would have much preferred for you to wait until football can come back in a safe manner. Full fans of us have said you know more realistically wash these men subject themselves to chance of catching own avars. Germany reported that the reproduction rate meaning the number of people each person infected with Corona Virus. Goes onto effect had risen. This comes just days off to German. Authorities relaxed lockdown measures under shows. Just how quickly? Progress can be reversed even in a country with one of the best records for containing the virus so far in Europe. Then there's also the argument that the by their own admission. I've come back because they needed the money they needed to put the Games on in order to secure the TV payments. And people saying you might be honest but actually we don't like this message all right well at least for now the Bundesliga is pressing on. So what exactly are they doing to try and keep players and personnel safe? The stadiums will unfortunately have to remain fan free for the time being plays in club. Employees will meanwhile be subject to continuous monitoring and regular testing for potential cove in nineteen infection twice a week a players and central staff of being tested. You can even as a player have parts of your family tested or even You know you y household Saudi ideas that somebody is tested positive. You can take them out of circulation as it will quite quickly. But then the second part of that is to minimize contact as much as possible to that end. The teams will be allocated several changing rooms for example with separate ones for the starting eleven goalkeepers in substitutes. They've asked players to take on cars when it comes to home games all quaranteed in the hotel at least for the first week where no one's even coming into cleanroom staff to do their own beds they have to show on. Kit post-match reactions remain parts of the puzzle by the virtual press conference number of journalists in the stadiums is clearly reduce plexiglass is used to make sure that there is no transmission of disease from the journalists. Told the play all the other ones and I have to say all of this made a pretty interesting spectacle over the weekend. Twenty six of the Bundesliga takes off as let's say at extrordinary times extraordinary measures. These two extraordinary sides hopefully will deliver today to you. What was the same in what was different about the Games compared to the before times? Don't think anything was the same. Everything else was different. I of course by the home team. They don't have the home support. Sell tickets but also for the away team because the atmosphere so poor and so on inspiring and as a as a bit of a warning we should say you can actually hear every single word. That's being set. Their own kinds of languages. Technical players seem to be less affected. A seemed to just be able to play the game. I think players and teams who rely more than emotions created by the crowd who who run. Papp's the extra Milo who just push a bit more. I think they might find it more difficult. The goal celebrations seemed a little different than usual as well celebration. Sick note touching plotting. It was mixed. We saw some teams trying to hear to social distancing just doing elbow bump so even standing off each other looking each other sheepishly. We saw some teams overcome emotions and hugging kissing. Which was strictly forbidden. But will not be sanctioned As far as a now the league saying well understand why these things happen and heat of the moment as every body who's playing has tested negative again. The risk should be should be reasonably low so overall that feel to you like the Bundesliga was really back. It didn't feel as if the BOONDOGGLE is really back. I would say half pack. The Games is back but with all the things that make the Bundesliga so unique and so special. To begin with those things were missing. And you're looking at something. That is incomplete. I think it was a work construction and a good enough fix if you will to satisfy their hunger but it felt more like the fast version of the game rather than the whole some three course meal with free range ingredients. What is an emotion when you con- actually experience it without your brain telling you don't do this? Don't do that. I mean it's a discount living life for the handbrake on and she'll put us all about losing in the moment so this more sense of relief something is back there is something to do. There is something different to watch in World War Corona virus coverage television. But it's not quite the same feeling as everything back to normal. A bringing comfort into your home is the ultimate form of self care and now more than ever it's important to take care of yourself and each other and even though it's hard to imagine a summer stuck inside the house we have to do it to keep everyone safe and since that's the case I want to be as comfortable as possible that's where Brooklyn incomes in if you're working from home stink. Comfortable is the best way to stay productive and Brooklyn. Is there for me during every part of my daily routine Brooklyn and helped me build a bedroom oasis? 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See CAPITAL ONE DOT com for details. Let's talk a little bit about the league itself. It's a particularly exciting title race this year. So this is a good season because buying have been bad at least for the first half of the season whenever bind who have been dominant force winning now seven titles in a row whenever they have an off year or two then. The League tends to open up but November. They changed at last. I coach Nicole. Watch was replaced by Hansie Flick and since flake has come in line have been restored to their glorious most efficient but also beautiful self running rampant at the start of the the rest of the Bundesliga better. Beware Five Nil. The final score. The good news is that opened have done well enough in Buenos done badly enough first of the season to still be close close to each other and we have a genuine title race on. We also saw Brazil much LAPA. A blue chip team that has lost. Its way little bit of the last two decades but it's coming back strongly leading for half the season up for the winter break and even Leipzig. Who off not the most popular team but have to be respected for the they play on the really prestigious. Very very interesting and innovative. Young Joan manager you We have if not a genuine four race at least two and a half teams who can push all the way will Dorfman who you mentioned are in second place and they came out in elated. Shoka four zero on Saturday and this is a team. That is young in really fun to watch. I mean open have been good to watch for a few years now. But you're right this year that's in top. This wonderful planned in Jirina. He's only seventeen is coming to the full but he's got people ahead of him to copy older than him. Elling Haaland of of Norway Jaden show for much city player and surrounded by slightly older players. But they're still as exciting Alexa fusion. Togan Hustle so they have a really nice blend and when day play with a sense of freedom and confidence some of the formation some of the patterns of attack and the passing combinations are really a sight to behold and incredibly fun to watch and Lastly Rafa. I imagine a lot of people will be tuning into the Bundesliga for the first time over the next few weeks. So what advice would you give about how to choose a team to support? If you want to have a team that wins and plays good football bind by now are a great so they I think objectively just great to watch if you can disabuse yourself off the notion that you shouldn't be supporting the best and most winning team which I understand why you would feel that way with opened you not far off because dopamine our winning world and they're playing some fantastic football effortlessly the different it's PAPP's more slightly more youthful and sort of big moments of joy rather than buying slightly more consistent accidents if you will more machine like precision and beauty then if you WANNA go down. Further romantic notions of underdogs. Doing something special like Assuming Laptop APPs like by cruising paps but if you flakes just wanted to watch one of their best players in European football now certainly his edge in action you have to watch by Cousens Kahad because this guy is the crown prince of John Four. He will be dominating. The national team in the next decade looking back to result sells six goal overall in twenty twenty. Watch him as often as you can watch marcus. I'm the son of Leeann to them too much doing some amazing stuff. There's a host of players that you can go down and you will also find them shoot enjoyable will Rafael. Thanks so much for joining us. Today my pleasure you can follow Rafael Jeans. Bundesliga coverage at the clinic dot com from wondering athletic. I'm under SCELZO. See You tomorrow.
Is MLB's Wave Of Injuries About To Get Even Worse?
"They. Were just over two weeks into the season and pitchers have been dropping like flies Sirocco tumbles off the mound he still. Mike Sirocco went down in a heap and he is limping toward the foul line for sure Zor with the injury that tweak hamstring. We Got Strasbourg in rural lander today, the ethics e-e-e-e-no Sarah's joins us to talk about some of the stars who gone down what's behind the surge in injuries, and whether it could actually get worse. Three times more pitchers have been injured than the average year and twice the worst year on record in the last ten years, it's GonNa keep going. From wondering athletic, I'm Cathy Davidson and I'm. No, it's Monday. August. Tenth and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening. Your. Motion and Closer the past don't matter because. You. Get this. This isn't a story here. The athlete. It stays with you. Hey, Nikki, boyer the host of the daily. 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The host of wonder show American innovations where we tell the stories behind the inventions that have shaped our modern world. LISTEN TO VIDEO Games on American innovations on apple podcasts, spotify or the wondering. So you know heading into this sixty game, just sprint of a season, what was the expectation around baseball as far as pitcher injuries were concerned, they're definitely wasn't expectation that injuries would be up this year. We had trainers inside baseball and outside baseball pitchers being worried about the start and stop nature of shutting down and then starting back up again when they would normally be midseason form and then just not knowing how much the pictures were doing in their own time and there's There's even a question of liability of how much you can tell a pitcher to do because what if you tell them, they have to do since we're throwing program and then they contract the virus while they're doing that. So there was this weird dance of like we want you to stay on top of things, but do only as much as you can and please do something, but we're not telling you to do something. So everyone's sort of saw this coming well, so now. Two and a half weeks into the season what has been the reality pitcher injury people might think be up over time. It's been fairly steady for the last ten years except for this year. Basically right now, three times more pitchers have been injured than the average year and twice the worst year on record in the last ten years. So we're talking about the second day of the season until the eleventh day of the season, and it's up three times. We saw the closure in Toronto Giles, the starting. Starting, pitcher in Chicago Lopez. Ver- lander, we're starting to see more and more injuries plus we all the payroll he wants to say, it's just kind of the ramp up and the slowdown, and the fact that we didn't have a real spring training. Those things are true and that's probably a part of it. But the other thing is also true I. Think the pictures, some of them are throwing harder because it's a shorter season. You see jake degrom who already through really hard now sitting like ninety nine. News after the fastball away and quickly it's. Ninety, nine miles now, some serious fair. From the ground when we started tracking velocity in a real way of and around two thousand and two, the average starters. fastball was eighty nine miles an hour flash forward to. The average fastball for starting pitcher right now is ninety, three eight and the party. You throw the closer you throw to your maximum personal maximum more stress. You put on your elbow on top of that. There's a reliever usage problem right now, relievers are getting half the winds in baseball. They're pitching half the innings. They're pitching more innings than they've ever pitched starters are coming. Coming out in the fourth inning now, and that's putting more onus on the relievers who the short ramp-up wouldn't have meant as much relievers. But Twenty relievers are now on the deal right now, that weren't on day two. So I think the relievers shouldering the burden is part of the problem too. So you basically saying that this is the result of pitcher's throwing harder than. Than ever and having to do that in a more concentrated amount of time. Yes, I. think that's a great way to say it because you're seeing relievers have fish more and more, and they are the kings of the maximum effort. You know they come out there and they throw fifteen pitches, but they're gonNA, throw him as hard as they can. So you know a number of. Of prominent starting pitchers have gotten injured this year as well, and we wanted to take a look at a few of those cases, I. Houston. Astros. Justin verlander who looked good on opening day. But has obviously since gotten hurt. It was reported that Justin verlander would miss the remainder of the season with an elbow injury. It is now ben recorrected, he will be shut down. For a couple of weeks with a forearm strain, he'll be reevaluated. How does this fit in with his track record? As as durability? He's been very durable in terms of what happens when he's on the field. He's been amazing in terms of keeping his fastball velocity up as his age and his production into his later years has been amazing. strikeout number three, hundred for just in Burland or. A dozen in the game, another milestone in that all of fame career for JV. But we've also seen some of these injuries. Starts economies had core surgery before he's had various leg surgeries and we asked Jake, Kaplan our guy in Houston for the athletic. He asked Brent Strom, the pitching coach there. What he thought happened with Justin verlander grant wasn't willing. Really give it to the shape of the preseason in the off season and. And stuff like that. He said that there is a certain amount of repetitive use that has something to do with injury in baseball to you are asking pitchers to come out every three days and throw this ball, really hard one, hundred times, and once you start adding up one, hundred, one, hundred, one hundred over seasons in seasons and seasons. There's just going to be something that happens eventually. So you may not have even. Talked to Mitch the Hitter, but he's he's usually have somebody come in here and massage. These is, and like you know, adjust me and move me around and pulling prod my body, and I haven't had that. So there's that aspect of of recovery that Justin may not have had. Do you think we'll see him again this season I doubt it. The season is so short. This is a an injury that you dot throwing for two weeks. Then you start throwing. throwing. Hope, it's okay and then maybe you're ready in three or four weeks given any setbacks at all? We're getting really close to a full season and he's already had. You know the first report of like it's not going as well as they'd hoped and I think it will probably be a ending injury next, let's talk about Shohei. Otani of the angels. Baseball fans know that Otani is the rarest of players. He's a pitcher who is also an everyday hitter. Shohei rips went out toward Whitefield lows moving back on this. What he pulls up that one is God. Big Fly, oh. Todd is first of the year, the angels themselves a three one lead. He went back. Can you give us a quick snapshot of Otani as a Pitcher when he's at his best is fairly amazing I mean, he's got really high velocity with a lot of band toy. To. got a little bit behind that basketball. Good fastball hundred in one. He's got a really good breaking ball and a really good split change dot goes out to. To, outside to NASA split. So that baseball out of his hand, you think it should strike zone. Lead for only astros that you put on him is the command is not great. That's meaningful though in terms of injuries, because there could be something about the fact that he does not have great command maybe does not have great repeatable mechanics on the mound, and that might be why we've seen so much injury firm so far. I. Wasn't feeling Great Mri revealed that he needs reconstructive. Surgery or Tommy, John Surgery. But he remained he had Tommy John. Surgery back in two thousand eighteen, and at the start of this season, he was back on the mound for the first time in nearly two years given his injury history and just how quickly he got injured after coming back this season. Is there cause for serious concern about Otani future as a pitcher? Yeah. That's why I think I've already be thinking about is relieving maybe the best way forward with us, and there's a lot of other pitchers that have great guys have funky mechanics and keep them together for an. An ending or two that have transitioned to the bullpen in the past and He could still provide the team a lot of value doing that as a sort of closer rightfielder, and I think that it's time for them to have some serious conversations in Otani's case. Is there a potential connection that you would draw between the season being shortened and his injury? The only thing I can tell you is that the angels were sort of out in front in terms of leading team staff go, and when you let team staff go and you furlough them like the angels did. Fewer people that can stay on top of a Rehab can stay in touch with the Pitcher, and you know there was a lot of people who said, oh. Well, this extra time that we have here, allow all these people to come back and pitch better. Well, Justin Berlanda, we're supposed to get better because he had the time off. Well, he came back and now he's hurt again and same thing with Otani. So there is something about rehabbing in facility with all the people that can touch and produce you win and point places and tweak you and say does this hurt? So, there's more people that can stay on top your Rehab and I think we're seeing that there's a fair amount of rehabs that didn't go well in shutdown time. The last pitcher we want to look at is Red Sox Ace. Eduardo. Rodriguez. What are your? It's been thirty first start of the season sitting on seventeen wins second strike out of the inning. And the twelfth of the Nice. For Water, Rodriguez to, and this is a completely different situation than the injuries that we've talked about so far. Can you tell us what happens to Rodriguez? Yes. So Rodriguez unfortunately came down with the virus for me. It was like I was feeling like all the bills you know like. You can see them. All that you can see Google fueling the Dole like headaches fever all. so He'd been really hard and there has been a complication to some that have caught the virus before that, there's a a myocardial infarction. Basically Eduardo, Rodriguez developed inflammation of the heart after getting the virus low cardiologists with Saint, Vincent. Medical. Group. Says the virus can have long term of on the heart. The doctor says Rodriguez heart condition is manageable, but there is no cure. This is just Just points to the severity of this virus and the kind of side effects that can have and I've talked to a few players that have had it, and they've said that just in terms of lung capacity and their cardio ability their ability to get their blood pumping feels very lessened. One player Said said he felt symptoms for three weeks, and then it took another five weeks before he felt he go one hundred percent on the bike. So I think. Think. We're seeing some of these guys even coming back and maybe they weren't symptomatic or maybe it wasn't as big deals as it was for a who is now out for the season with this heart issue season over for red, Sox as Rodriguez before even throughout single pitch on the result of complications from his corona virus diagnosis, people might look at a pitcher and be like well, you know he's not a marathon runner, he doesn't need to have that cardio. Cardio, but watch the pitchers sweating, right? Like they're. They're getting a workout and it's not just like an arm workout like they are getting a full body workout. They're using their OBE leagues, their legs gluts, like it's all designed to propel the ball as fast forward as possible, and if this has any effect, it could have some effect on his endurance, which is very important. I started the whole difference starting relievers can go five. You know. So I, think. This is a terrible thing that has happened to him and I hope that it doesn't affect his stamina long-term well, and finally you know the schedule is only getting more hectic with a lot of rescheduled games and seven inning doubleheaders. Where do you think the wave of pitching injuries goes from here as we try to complete the sixty game season? The phillies, we're going to play the MARLINS for seven games and five days in September. and. I don't know how much more the schedule can take. Honestly, it is battered right now. So yeah, that's going to be a real problem. They've done some things proactively which I agree with the seven inning doubleheaders is a good idea I just want to use fewer pitchers and then leaving the rosters expanded twenty eight men is good. However because every team still wants to win, you're not seeing teams really take advantage of that full roster. They don't have enough good pitchers really that every team has fourteen or fifteen good pitchers, and if that is the case, we're just GONNA see the same pitchers pitch more. With. That and the sprint. It's GonNa keep going. Oh. Thank you so much for joining us. You know and I hope we get through the season. Honestly from a lot of different angles. You can read bears a story about the wave of pitching injuries, a major league baseball and listen to his podcast rates in barrels at the athletic dot com from wondering athletic unconfirmed Davidson see tomorrow. Though WENDI APP is here. It's the best place to quickly find and listen to your favorite laundry shows like locked up abroad on locked up abroad. You'll hear unbelievable stories of run INS with the law from all around the world from a bootlegger smuggling. Boost the Saudi desert to the real story behind legendary mobsters locked up abroad gets you closer to the action than ever before binge. 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Rudy Gobert's Quest For Redemption
"The. Earlier this week NBA team started going to Disneyworld. That's been almost four months since the League suspended season today team started arriving in Orlando to resume play, and among them is a guy who triggered the NBA shutdown back in March Utah Jazz, center rudy go bare. Gobert, of course also stirred up controversy when he intentionally touched reporters microphones at a press conference just days before testing positive for the coronavirus and last week. He spoke about what his life has been like since then. It's been. A few months know both physically mentally. You have the whole world judging you. Threaten me. Today Athletics Tony. Jones joins us to talk about the fallout from Madame student where go bears, relationship stands with teammate. Donovan Mitchell, and whether the jazz are finally ready to move past it. kind of a sensitive soul, and I think that for threats vitriol that he received think that they're really hurt him on a personal level. From wondering athletic I'm the Davidson and I'm under sculptor. It's Thursday July ninth and this is the lead. It felt like something was. There is something about the emotion and. The past. Does began. This is laurie clear. It stays with you. Hey wonder listeners. The shrink next door is the story of one therapist psychological manipulation. He crossed lines and boundaries with his patients, and he's still out there. You can now listen to the shrink next door in the new one degree APP and check out the wondering plus exclusive update episode by subscribing to one degree, plus he experiences from additional former patients. Vikes get an update on Marty and find out what's happening with his effort to have ice medical license revoked. The shrink next door is available now in the wonder APP download it today. All Right Tony. First. Things first. We gotTA talk about the Food in the NBA bubble in Orlando last night. Guard troy. Daniels posted a picture of his dinner night one in Orlando. Is Fire Fest it's boxer leaves. It's a role in a bag. It's so shitty. Fruit is an absolute trash meal for anybody. Let alone for millionaire athletes, really McFarland and John Rule would be offended by shaking Mulas. How glad are you that you are not currently in that bubble? Listen? Everybody has their delicacies so I'm I'm not here. Knock it a did see that chicken and look a bit dry in the talk is that the food is post to get better once all of the players clear quarantine, but we gotta get these jokes off while we can write I shouldn't see any of the barbecue chicken shack. Always references knows photos Isaiah. Thomas joked that Lebron. James Eaten. That cuisine so I'm just GonNa? Say it looked like quarantine for. Like food dead people who can't leave eat. Well the real reason we're here today to talk about Rudy Gobert and the is. What has the team said about going into the bubble? I think they're excited. MUFFING dear excited to go and play basketball. Think that they're in a good friend. Mine I. Think for the most part they are trusting of what the NBA's done in the bubble that they are going into a think that there were a fair number of jazz players who had some reservations, but at the end of the day the jazz are pretty tight group, not locker room so once. The majority settled on a course of action. I think everybody kind. kind of went along with it. Jazz Center Rudy Gobert has obviously become a controversial figure in all of this as someone who covers the team has spent a lot of time around Gobert. Can you just tell us what his personality is like well? He's somebody that wears. Is the motions honestly? I think somebody finds motivation and kind of almost everything I think that it's been both strengthened a weakness, but you can't argue with the for him because he's gone from a gang Lee Twenty one year old to somebody but twenty eight. He's an all. NBA Player in the KIA NBA defensive player of the year is. Rudy Gobert. Just unbelievable for me, you know. My mom this year tonight. You know we can't from you know hometown in France. CICA. Thank you. Let's go back to March ninth two days before the season shutdown when Rudy Gobert had this now really infamous press conference. In a video that surfaced on social media Gobert can be seen getting up from his seat after a pre-game interview on Monday and touching the mouthpieces of several reporters, microphones and recorders, the reporters that were dare. They took light of it, but on March ninth nobody really took Kovic seriously not think the real issue entirely jazz is this unbeknownst to the reporters that were there. When he went and touched the reporters microphones the jazz. It actually had a meeting for some of the state. Stop health experts, basically telling the team how serious covert was and how serious the potential it was to become an obviously, it was regrettable. Moment. Ogle bears part and. Two days later go. Gobert does test positive, and the NBA has to shut the season down. Tonight has been postponed. Take your time and leaving the arena tonight and do so want an orderly fashion. Thank you for coming. When you have the video of of the press conference and then detest positive, you can obviously see how the conversation and how the narrative changes. That's a job. He made sure he goes should have every media microphone. As he left two days later, he tested positive. Hilarious nine players, but there's no escaping his immaturity of the insensitivity that he displayed and it was inexcusable. Then, some of the inflammatory tweets that went out I mean they were nasty. Just from everything Mike Hey you started covid nineteen. You would defensive player of the year for reason like you got the entire NBA shutdown on. Those are some of the nicer comments. How did go bare respond to that criticism? He immediately apologized. Y- apologized via video, a wish I would have to disdain more seriously. And I hope everyone else to do so because we can do it together. Take care. Stay safe made some monetary donation. Vigo bear is pledging to donate more than a half of million dollars to help arena workers and bring relief to Utah Okay Homa and his home country of France in his statement from the shutdown. Go bare somebody that cares what other people think of him in I think he's emily some measures. He's kind of a sensitive soul and I think that the threats and the vitriol that he received I think that. That that really hurt him on a personal level, and this incident also really affected his relationship with his teammate Donovan Mitchell. Can you tell us about the immediate fallout from that? The media fallout was that the two men didn't speak for a while ago there of course, the first NBA player to test positive for Covid, nineteen and teammate Donovan Mitchell, who tested positive shortly afterwards said it took him quote a wild to cool off at bear. As we've learned their relationship and the strain in their relationship started far before covert nineteen, and the thing would go bare. He's always at a massive chip. Rightfully solid. He wasn't thought of highly in twenty thirteen draft saw he entered the season as one of the best defensive players, not only in the league, but he's one of the best defensive players in the league in the last decade, but this year this was the year that he said okay. He looked into Marigny. He said okay. I want the basketball. And then when he wasn't getting the ball more, he lashed out at Donovan Mitchell, Donovan has some pushback, and you know to be honest filter over to how the jazz plate. They had some mystifying losses. That's going to do. One thirty. One eleven to jazz give up one hundred thirty one points. The Phoenix Suns and it was obvious that for whatever reason they weren't playing as well as they should collectively as a unit on. The dynamic between Rian Donovan had a lot to do with that. You spoke with regard bear recently on a group media zoom call was. Did he say about his life? During the last few months, while obviously, it was very difficult for them. It's been Few months you know both physically mentally when you have the world judging you. Threatening you know sending Yoda negative, energy and stuff like that it's it's something that I would say not as a human being, but at the same time you know you know people just judge them the possession they have in possession of get from. Sometimes it can be one picture of one zero. WHAT INTERVIEW ONE ACTION! Not The way, no, you think that this is probably some of the more difficult months of his career. Neva's life so I think that you know for him once we did talk to him. It seems like he's excited to just get back and play. Basketball is been a process, but I'm I'm happy not in a good place. No and I'm happy that that I. I, get the joy back from playing basketball team, and the competitiveness is back Donovan. Mitchell spoke recently about his relationship with Ghobeire right now we're. We're going out there. Ready to hoop and I think the biggest thing you know that Kinda sucks was that it took away from the Gaza the team? What's your sense of where things stand with them now and how ready? Ready are they to move forward? I think on a personal level. I don't think that those to be best friends again. The question going forward is how they exist his teammates, and honestly on a larger scale. That's all that matters if they can be productive as teammates enact, production can translate into victories than. Should we even care about what their relationship was off the? The floor. Probably not the are strong locker room. Lot of veteran voices, so you know I think as a team I think that there are largely past this and think that they're ready to go on finally Tony how. Do you think rudy go? Bare will be remembered from this when it's all, said and done well, he get past being remembered for touching reporters microphones. Think. That's always going to be something that's mentioned and his story but I think that his reputation can get past this and that is story can get past this because the pandemic was going to be here whether it was really go bare or not. Time heals a lot of things I mean. He's in his prime at twenty eight. He still got a lot of chapters left in his story, so it'll be interesting to see how he goes from here and how to Jasko from here as well. We'll Tony thank you so much for joining us and enjoy your non bubble food. Food is not much better than the bubble food of night one somehow I doubt that, but thank you so much. Tony Thank you for having me I appreciate it. You can read Tony Jones a story about Rudy Gobert journey these last few months, and his coverage of the Utah Jazz at the athletic dot com from wonder and the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson. 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How Jurgen Klopp is Hugging His Way to Dominance
"Yeah we're just past the midway point of the English premier league season but the race is all but over here for me talk poll. Who'd been in complete come out and so the fall? The champions elect in the lead in north London Liverpool have been absolutely unstoppable this season and now have a fourteen point lead over second-place man city. The reds are on pace to win their first league title. In thirty years much of Liverpool's success has been attributed. Have you did to German head coach Jurgen Klopp and today the athletics. James Pierce joins us to talk about. How Club has transformed Liverpool through a combination Asian of passion tactics and hugs? And what it's like to interview the always entertaining coach through his office door and other sound on the so the the first thing he said to me was Oh God. It's hugh he said if I turn it this. He opened up all the devonish our from wondering the athletic. I'm beat the Davidson. When Thursday January sixteenth and this is the lead? It felt like something was happening. There is something about the emotion and passion for the past because in this story the athlete it stays with you. Capital one knows life dozen. Alert you about your credit card. That's why we created. No the capital one assistant that catches things that might look wrong with your credit card like over tipping duplicate charges or potential fraud. Then sends an alert to your phone and helps you fix it. It's another way. Capital one is watching out for your money when you're not capital one. What's in your wallet? SEE CAPITAL ONE DOT com for details. So James How old old were you in. What were you doing with your life? The last time Liverpool won the League I was twelve years of age so Just started secondary school in November Liverpool winning it crowned footballer. John Bombs the chapter. That was like normal business. Every may seeing Liverpool lift that league championship that was number eighteen back in nineteen ninety and never in a million years. Would I believe that the thirty years on we would still be waiting for nineteen and for those who don't know. Can you just paint a quick picture of the history of this club. One of the most glittering trophy cabinet in British sport as to be founded Anfield home of Liverpool for Hoopla founded in eighteen ninety two and pretty unspectacular connor. I fifty sixty years or so and was actually in a bit of a mess. Before the arrival of the Great Bill shankly and that was the launch pad that propelled Liverpool to the story status. They enjoy in if wilt today thousands of that two hundred three hundred autumn and their success story had Finan this on between the Beatles. I'm signing any homecoming by an Victoria's team and then you know the good times kept on rolling for the next few decades little witness three to one of and then the Odi nine thousand nine hundred came along and the advent of the Premier League and the wheels came off you know they lost their way. Ah Got overtaken by the likes of Manchester United and then ask no when Chelsea and then more recently Manchester City. So it's been a long road back and then it's only really in the last few years under under urine klopp that that Liverpool of Columbus back to the the kind of status that the fans used to take for granted than they really are back in a big way. It's extraordinary really because is that rewriting. The record books on almost weekly basis tate. Lost weekends victory at Tottenham In the became the first team ever ever across any of Europe's five major soccer leagues to take sixty one points out the I sixty three offer. They've now gone an entire thirty thirty eight games in the equivalent of full premier league season unbeaten and having having finally taken that next step and won the Champions League in Madrid last last tolls kings of champions once again now on the brink of a finally went in the Premier League title in getting that Number Nineteen th. They've waited thirty years for an and you know whenever it team. Is this good there. Obviously a lot of things that have to go right but we want to focus on the man who is arguably the driving force worse behind this team. How would you describe Uragan KLOPP? I'd say as a unique unique force of nature. What attracted you to the challenge? The intensity of the of the football football how people foodball in Liverpool all all over the road. So it's not. He's all over this club throughout the clubs at that winning mentality that hugs desires ability to wanting to be part of something special gang everyone volume to that I worked with Barre Barre ever. It's layer gum train on managing in Germany. A very special club from a young age. He always felt the understood stood the game. That's probably able to to play us at times. And in two thousand one hung up his boots but into management with mines then two thousand eight when he went installment of course I was when he truly announced himself to the footballing World Dorfman have taken titanic stride talks retaining the Tikal last season Yugoslav patsies heart my buddies pulse. Rate up two hundred and you you know. He's become known for his dramatic goal celebrations running up and down the sidelines. Fist pumping which you just don't see from a lot of coaches. I think he's collapses got broken. The midst one one goal celebration when he was in the middle of a bundle in the middle is players. And you think back to last season when give Kariya settled a AH dramatic Merseyside Derby in the final few seconds and one of those lucky rise moments when you realize that you're Brown on the pitch and was in the Senate Essential Huggins goalkeeper the talk sir eight thousand pound fine. That's that display the motion. But I think I think even he would say that was PROPYLAEA. Every penny was well spent event well as competitive as he is. He's also not afraid to have fun. I love his baby. AH WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA go to native big aboard. You'll tell me how do I need. A bigger boat is a big movie Fan I think rockies is is is all time favorite film and he described Liverpool is as rocky Balboa Manchester City were even Drago realized that a lot of his players. I just happen naturally seen rookie four and that that he might have to pick a different analogy to go down with and I think I need to bring up the hugs. Someone has been in in your home recipient of a Yoga Hug when you in these homes it feels like anything is possible minute one of the Games livable. Let it. You know you get some football managers Quite cold in on standoff Ish He's at the other end of the spectrum. I'm in his first game at Tottenham the way in which he embraced all those players just he just has the ability to make people feel special equal and describes himself as as as a friend but not a best friend to the players. And I think that's a good way of putting it you know he's there for them he says you know his door is always open a There's also a line draw the sound and very high standards. The players have to meet if they if they WANNA be of this special thing that he's he's he's created and crop has very much transformed the way that Liverpool plays James. How's your German pronunciation? Not Not too good I did. I did get a BMI Z German. But that was too long ago. Unfortunately I'm a bit rusty. So can you explain the term gigging pressing just about. Yeah I mean I think I think the translation in English is is count. Suppressing gag impressing essentially. He is about trying to win the bull backers as high out the field is as you possibly can intimate something. They spend many many hours on the training. Ground practicing in pressing as a unit and not letting team satell- and you know the on the basis that if you win if you win the bull back as close to their golden as possible. Then that gives you the best possible chance of trade and chances of scoring goes. He sometimes describes his team style of play as heavy metal football. Why is that? He hates passive. He hates the idea of of not trying to control the game. You know a a high. Hi Tempo a high intensity really taking the game to the important an and then an entertaining people honor on Wednesday by spreading into the medal clubs. And how does he get his players to exert themselves as much as they do game after game after game that was always going to be the challenge. Initially they were being asked to to put in a hell of a lot more work. COP SAYS HIMSELF Liverpool train at the same speed and intensity as they as they play matches on on the weekends. You not not see the point. Why would you train any differently? But you know when you get a slight Liverpool if especially in the past two seasons news than I think it becomes a lot easier to get players to to buy into that because they seen for themselves but the success that it's brutal and that they're on the cusp now of achieving something truly historic the thing you know. He has changed changed and softened we see Liverpool now not flying out teams constantly like they used to instead show him you'll maturity in controlling Games so yeah. It's probably not quite as as as heavy metal as it used to be. Cups brand of football teams obviously exceptionally talented. But it doesn't seem like they're the most talented team as individuals is this a whole is greater than some of the parts situation without a doubt. Yeah I think that that's the beauty of what he's created. Because I think you know if you if you look around your The teams you can usually pick a a couple of players. Who if they don't carry that team than that? Certainly you know the real standard-bearers for it but I think the beauty of this. This Liverpool team is is is a real team I think if you almost a Liverpool Fan. WHO's the most important player in this team? You you'd probably get ah five six. Maybe even seven different onces because they've got well clouds from three in Saudi Oman. And most follow me. No I wouldn't say overly reliant on either one of those three you've got I'll give you the two best fullbacks in in world football at the moment in China exander Ron Oden and Andy the Robertson an elite level go keep Alison Becker and the best defender in world football in individual Van Dyke. So there isn't one or two players that you can pinpoint point and say Ryan if we stopped the supply lines to him then we then we stopped Liverpool because they they can hurt teams from so many different angles off simplisafe. Home security is like getting commercial grade enterprise level security but for your own home think about the security fortune five hundred companies use. They need to know police are going to be on the scene immediately. This is exactly the kind of security you get with simplisafe. 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The lead thirty to start reading today all right so James Getting back to your club. What have your interactions with him? Ben Like always was good fun. Yeah he's always cracking jokes. It was through his office door and others sat on the Sofa in the first thing he said to me was Oh God it's you. He said if attorney you wouldn't have bothered avenue shower I think he was saddened endearing way so between the hugs the breaking his glasses during goal celebrations and you know just the way he carries himself. Your KLOPP is a guy who really exudes positively which frankly is pretty rare among soccer coaches. How much do you think? Those qualities are responsible for Liverpool success. Oh massively I think that positively. We've seen it from him. In Liverpool's I darkest moments just try it and if we can do it wonderful if not then fade in the most beautiful beautiful way and that kind of enthusiasm passion that positive Assi permeates right the way through the club enemies it permeates right the way through to the the academy and the Best News. Little has for a long long. Time was the fact that he's committed himself to the club till twenty twenty four so the founded Liverpool can look forward to to a few extra years. Clump is huge now. The structure is in place both on and off the pitch for this to be a real a real golden era. And so James would you go to a self help course taught by Jurgen Klopp because without a shadow of a doubt. Yeah yet I think the I've heard some people say they feel like he's wasted in football. When you look around the newseum the death of of quality politicians? We could do with with him having a having a wider role. One thing that plays massively love about club is his honesty and his integrity. Because the IMF until you meet a lot of people who will say one thing to your face and another thing behind your back with Klopp in what you see is what you get. You know that that that is what makes him so special and that's why even those players won't playing every week there's never any murmurings of discontent because you know he doesn't. He doesn't doesn't mess him around. He tells them exactly where they stand. In the pecking order them. What to do if they if they want advise up? So James Will Liverpool Liverpool be beaten in the league this year. Perhaps even this weekend by man united why a Sunni don't expect the beaten run to finish this weekend for many many. He is Liverpool suffered at the hands of the united in throughout the nineties and much of the two thousand seven to sit and watch is Manchester. United lifted the biggest prizes and Anau a now the roles have been reversed and a fully expected to put united to the soul. And then you do start to look at it. Then could they emulate the great arsenal invincibles. His team go the entire primarily season. Unbeaten I wouldn't bet against them because you know they've proved that they can win games. In so many different ways this season they can play with swagger demolished teams. They did at Leicester on boxing day and they can dig deep in grind out when their backs. Against the they did a Tottenham last weekend and and last question James. It's now been thirty years since you were a twelve year old. Schoolboy where will you be now when Liverpool wins the title this year I Sonny Hobie citing trespass Saddam field when the moment comes for my first visit swam field was October. Nineteen one thousand nine hundred thirty four or five months after Liverpool were last crowned champions as being quite annoyed with my dad's at he he actually bought me a scarf and I remember saying to him one. Because out says Liverpool eighteen times champions of the Donna Lopiano date by next May finally hopefully by this make think that scarf that I've still got will will finally be out of date. Everyone sold the the amazing scenes around Merseyside when Liverpool won the Champions League AAC last June. You know a million people on the streets. I think you can probably times that by two three. If and when Liverpool finally get their hands on that traveling trophy James. Thanks so much for coming on the show. And here's to hoping Jurgen klopp continues to shower before meeting you. Guys you can read James Pierce story about your KLOPP and the historic Liverpool season on the athletic dot com. Here's some other stories. We're following in the lead. There's more potential fallout from major league. Baseball signed stealing tobacco sources tell. ESPN that the mets are now assessing what to do with newly hired manager Carlos Beltran who was the only player named in. MLB's report on the Astros. Signed stealing on Wednesday Beltran's former Yankees teammate. Mark Teixeira said the mets should take serious action. I don't think the mets have a choice. Either they had to fire fire Carlos. Beltran there's no way that Carlos Beltran especially in the pressure cooker of New York. There's no way he can be the manager of the mets. The Red Sox fired manager Alex core for his role in the scandal. So it'll be interesting to see if the mets follow suit. I mean losing your job before you even managed a single major league game mm-hmm. That's just so mess. Meanwhile get ready. hoops fans physician. Era is about to take flight yet is according to an announcement from Pelicans. President David Griffin our anticipation is. They'll play his first game on the twenty second at home against San Antonio. He's getting to the point where we actually think he's as ready as he believes it and I'd say any questions about the health of that. Knee were answered last week when I on with seen doing a between the legs dunk at a workout in New York. The Knicks Fan said something to cheer. Now it's just a question of how many of those dunks he pulls off in his debut next Wednesday against San Antonio. If you like our show please give us a five star rating and tell your friends to subscribe. Were available on Apple podcasts. spotify cast box and every major listening out from wondering athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson and I'm under scelzo see tomorrow.
College Football Players Demand Protections (and Money)
"The. College football we go a group of football players from the fact twelve including Oregon. Star Safety Devan Holland are threatening to opt out of upcoming season if certain demands are not met as posted a statement on the Players Tribune website and social media. With less than a month until the start the season, it's still full speed ahead for college football. But at the same time, there are signs that all is not well today the athletics Nicole our back joins us to talk about the growing demands from college football players, what impacts they can have on this season and beyond and why players are speaking of now, if that labor force that you're asking to come back without protections without a players union and to play with the virus that we don't know everything about. From wonder Yummy. Athletic I'm Cathy Davidson I'm under sculptor it's Thursday August sixth, and this is the lead. Felt like something was happening. There is something of the emotion and. surpassed. because. 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One of the other interesting comments was from an Ole Miss Linebacker Momo Sonoko who brought up the points about regular students back on campus. How on earth? Are they going to protect the football players from regular students who are going to be going to classes going to parties and interacting with them on campus? Class. For four classes a week all of them in clash only two hours. They're going to be around a lot of people who do not have that motivation that protection the access to the testing, right they could be around people or unwittingly spreading this virus. That's the biggest difference between trying to bring back college football and any of the parolees. It's the factory that you have regular college students in the mix. We should note that as Commissioner Greg Sankey was on this call we didn't hear from him in any of the clips at the Washington Post published. But what did some of the SEC officials have to say to answer these concerns on that call? We'll they had to say that they don't know. It's impossible to say if you do X.. Y. And Z. You won't test positive. So they had to acknowledge that people are going to test positive that games are going to be canceled. Were never going to be. We're going to have. To you. It's jarring to hear it like that because these are conversations that have absolutely been happening all over the country privately but we haven't heard it laid out that stark that you just have administrators saying, yes. People are going to test positive. Yes. Games are going to be cancelled and there's really nothing anyone can do about it and you know again, we are still learning about the long term health damage to hearts and lungs. With, code actually does to the body like a lasting effects and all the unknowns that we still have this call. Jal, shot kiss we were you can be all. Let us plan saying shame. because. There's a lot pushing against the possibility of a season for college football, but they're not ready to throw in the towel yet, and they really do think if they can have all of these health and safety measures in place if they can have this testing the protective equipment social distancing at practice, all of these things that they can do. Maybe it's possible they can play. Not long after the SEC call, we saw this huge development in the PAC twelve group of football players from the fact twelve including Oregon Star Safety. Giovanni are threatening to opt out of the upcoming season if certain demands are not met as posted in a statement on the players, Tribune website and social media, can you explain what happened? So on Sunday morning, the PAC twelve had a group of players release a letter of demands through the Players Tribune and. Also through a press release related to a whole bunch of stuff I mean it was focused on Cova Health and safety protocols guaranteeing scholarships, offending players feel like they need to opt out for health reasons there was a lot of economic demands. So it covered a lot of ground and they were demanding that if these demands were not met that they would be willing to boycott the Twenty Twenty Fall College football season, how many players were on that letter So there were about twelve players whose names were on the press release and it became clear that there are a couple of others involved in kind of a leadership capacity. But really I think that the message was they wanted this out there they want it to be a hash tag trending they wanted other PAC twelve players to see it and potentially share. So what we saw was a pretty big reaction to the letter into the points that they were. Making it remains seeing if they're actually willing to potentially opt out of a season and boycott, but there was a lot of support for players who were raising these points. We'll give US context here Nicole. How radical is the list of demand? Especially in the context of the types of things at college athletes have fought for in the past the demands on the list overall were very interesting. They sparked a lot of conversations. Some were more realistic than others. The final section, the kind of went for the moon here, and this is where they talk about this idea of generational wealth and the fact that these predominantly black rosters, the white administrators coaches make a lot of money off of their black neighbor. So here's where they ask for fifty percent of each sports total conference revenue distributed evenly among athletes in their respective sport. Well, we've been talking about the possibility of college athletes getting paid for many years. Now, why is this group of players making these demands now? It feels like because you have pandemic happening and they have been hearing for four months, how valuable they are you're looking at potentially four billion in revenues loss college football. If you don't have the season fifth an incredible amount of money that not only fuels, these universities but also fuels the rest of athletics they've been told exactly how much they're worth so I think fat. You've seen that coupled with in the aftermath of George flights killing a lot of players decided to use their voice and demand change on campuses or in Kylian hills case you know the confederate. Flag emblem in Mississippi historic moves this weekend to change the state flag the last confederate battle emblem and I think it will resonate for for for many many years Kyle and Hill deserves all the credit and I think you saw in the summer the importance of having a players union because we learned so much about the NBA we saw how contentious it wasn't baseball, and then the college players were basically just told, okay. Here's what you're walking into and your only option is to walk away. They saw that so I think that's really where this is coming from. Then, on Wednesday Nicole, we saw a group of athletes from the big ten issue. A similar list of demands players are on record on behalf of over a thousand big ten players they want in season testing, three days a week they won't whistle blower protections for all personnel they will not sign and they want banned all covid nineteen liability waivers. Do you think that was inspired at least a little bit by what they saw from their peers in the PAC twelve? Was Absolutely inspired by the PAC twelve they used very similar language and I think it is possible that you continue to hear more about this. You have one of Clemson star receivers, Amari Rogers tweeting about the need for players, unions, and college sports, right? I think people are learning about the power of a Labor movement and I think again, even if you don't have a season, even if you don't get to the point of actually having a work stoppage I, think you're seeing the reaction to raising these points and getting invited to a seat at the table and certain conversations I think that's what's really important to take away from. This. How is the end responded to all of these developments on Wednesday the NC double a board of governor sent out a letter to its member schools the number one thing that jumped out to me was the NCW said, all athletes can opt out of the fall season and not lose their scholarship. We'd had individual conferences and schools kind of guarantee that but we hadn't had it across the board and that was something that was mentioned in the PAC twelve and the big ten's letters from their players. They also addressed eligibility and said that there would be appropriate relief for those who opt out or lose part of their season. There was the establishment of a phone number in an email for people to report if their coaches for example, are not following the guidelines that the NCAA put out about you know, contact tracing and and social distancing wearing masks and things of that nature. You also had the NCWA tell it schools that they can't require athletes to waive their legal rights regarding covid nineteen. Condition of participation. You also had some acknowledgments about costs. If if an athlete tests positive for Covid nineteen has associated medical costs at the school, cover it and things of that nature. So ultimately, there are a lot of really good pieces to there's a lot of common sense steps and I think it's very reasonable to assume that it may not have happened without the players speaking up about these issues when filing McColl, what do you think all of this tension between athletes and administrators means for the college football season this fall. The tension between different levels of college sports has been really fascinating because always existed. But, a lot of the dynamics are really laid bare when you're talking about trying to playing football in a pandemic. It also has really shown a light on the dynamics between players, coaches, and administrators right and the power imbalance there think about how much money has flowed into college sports last decade. Mack Brown became the first five million dollars a year coach when he was at Texas after the two, thousand, nine season in twenty, thousand, nine, hundred, sixteen coaches making five million dollars a year. So the money has gone up so much and players have still been receiving a scholarship. It's that labor force that you're asking comeback without protections without a players union and to play with a virus that we don't know everything about that. We're still learning about on a week to week month to month basis. So. That again lays bare a lot of the dynamics of college sports and unpaid athletes and the administrators who make the money off of them. Nicole. Thank you so much for joining us and for breaking down this incredibly fluid situation. Absolutely anytime. You can follow. 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Is Greed Jeopardizing MLB's Future?
"In Major League Baseball, players and owners are still at an impasse. Time is of the essence. If we WANNA baseball this year there has always been a baseball season. But that could change twenty. At least the two sides are talking look. They're so far apart in so many of these things that they're discussing and the realities the calendar of condom today we're joined by the athletics Jason Stark to discuss what the standoff is really about, and what's at stake for the game. This is not about saving a season. This is about saving. From wondering on the athletic, I'm Cathy Davidson, and I'm under scelzo. It's Wednesday June third, and this is the. It felt like something was happening. There is something of the emotion and. because. You praying. This is. Clear! The clean. It stays with you. So, Jason, what is the latest in the standoff between the players and the owners as they try to figure out a way to start the season. Could. You Want my tennis play by play this? I can do that for you. Let's see last week. We had a major league baseball. Serve one over the net. Then, over the weekend we had the union flip and a different ball back over the net. The players want a one hundred fourteen game regular season June thirtieth through October. Thirty first MLB an eighty two game season. The players want their full pro rated salaries and I would say if you're watching that tennis match, you'd be saying hey, come. MLB didn't even take swain return eyeball. because. That's that's kind of where we are. You know I've covered way, too. Many labor talks can't let yourself get too caught up in the play by play. He constantly have to ask yourself. Where is this leading? Is there anything in that last thing we heard that could lead to the next conversation or miracle of miracles provide a path to a deal. The trouble is it's hard to answer any of those questions right now. What we're kind of hearing is that MLB isn't even planning at this moment to make a counterproposal off. Logic would say they have to, and if they do, sooner is better than later if you know what I mean. Right we'll so the last side that was on serve so to speak. Was the MLB sending a counter to the League? What can we learn from? What's in that counter about where this disagreement is centered on? I think we're still kind of at that same place. We were the last time I was on the lead. Pretty sure I told you then at two months ago, these two sides came to an agreement and now two months later. They still can't agree on what they agreed on that still true. They can't even accept each other's premise. Let alone see where the middle ground is. Major League Baseball is still saying we'RE GONNA lose hundreds of million dollars if we have to play with no fans and the union saying we don't believe that you'll have to prove that, and that's at the foundation of why they've got. Got Nowhere because how could they and money is at the heart of this? Because it always is will it also seems Jason like a key point of contention, here is the number of games that would be played and how much money the players would get. The first proposal from the owners was eighty two games, but then how much would the players get paid for those eighty two games? The owner's position was oh. We still gotTA figure that out, but it won't be what we agree to in February. It's not going. Be that pro rated percentage of your full salaries, so then came the players proposal, which was for a hundred and fourteen games at thirty, two more than the MLB proposal. Why was that because more games equals more salary? And the player said you should know we're not interested in giving in or even talking about any more salary discounts so now the latest twist is MLB's response which has been floated, but not formally proposed and that is you WANNA play thirty two more games? We actually went to play thirty two fury gates. We'll give you that prorated salary, but only for fifty games. What's behind that? They're basically saying we have an amount. We think we could afford to pay. Pay Out in salaries in a season with no fans. So this is like the owner saying we can only afford to pay a one point two billion. So that's the pool. You can play as many games as you WANNA play, but that's how much we're going to pay you at this point. Obviously, so much of the disagreement is just about money, but there are real safety concerns here. Do you think that safety concerns alone could stop a deal from happening? I've read through all sixty seven pages of health and safety protocols that they proposed. It's incredibly detailed. Stuff players would sit in empty seats near the DUGOUT. Everyone not playing what have to wear masks, including managers and coaches in baseball's touched by multiple players will be thrown away, spitting high fives fist bumps, all have been prohibited when teams and then they've done nothing, but added those details getting input from players input from clubs and I said since both sides are. Are Basically on the same page in terms of how they want to address health and safety so I don't get the sense that in itself would be an obstacle to a deal well, Jason You wrote that Major League Baseball drove the same bus off the same cliff back in nineteen, ninety four, when the strike wiped out the world series. How would canceling this season? Compare to nine hundred ninety four I have asked a lot of people in baseball that question. Everybody has the same answer. This would be worse. This would be so much worse and let me remind you that was bad. The world series has been played on in the midst of two World Wars, in the midst of the Depression era, but now in Nineteen ninety-four in the midst of the greed era in Major League baseball off no world series, no more baseball this year I will. Will argue for ever. That baseball has never regained the same place in the American culture and the American soul that had before that world series got swallowed up by that version of this fight. I was there I was on a conference call with Bud Selig. The Navy announced they were cancelling the world series, and I just had this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that night. I'll admit I. had that scene feeling now, but this has to be worse, doesn't it? I mean to not play over money. During the middle of a pandemic with forty one million people out of work with America smoldering in the streets. I just feels like a mistake that I honestly believe baseball would never recover from. You know so much of the fallout from ninety ninety four was fan resentment particularly toward the players. Do you think both sides are playing the media a little bit here? You know we keep seeing these controlled leaks trying to get the narrative that each side wants in front of the fans kind of forcing them to take sides. How's that working out by the way? I planned this out in public. That's really encouraging a lot of fans sympathy, don't you think? I honestly don't understand exactly what the point is. Of doing this so publicly and I work in the media. It feels like both sides in some way are positioning themselves. In case, things go wrong. To make sure the public blames the other side. It's their fault and here's my experience covering this stuff. People don't care whose fault it is. They might blame the players more than the owners. Some people might blame the owners more than the players, but you know what they really do. They blame the sport. They do not forgive the sport for letting them down. This is a time of great need in our country. Somebody said to me. Baseball has been a source of strength for America in the past after other crises and American needs strength right now. I agree with that so if you take this away, does it matter whose fault it is for my money? It does not matter from what you've heard from people around the sport. Is there an awareness of just how much is at stake? Are they talking about these negotiations? In terms of the future health of the sport I do think there are a lot of moderate players, moderate owners, moderate agents who just want to play baseball and do whatever it takes to find a way to play, but at the bargaining table there's so little trust. I just worry sometimes that they've lost sight of that because they can't find this sense of common purpose to drive them forward. Ask, me, what's at stake I feel like it's so clear. To not play over money at a time white. This is a disaster waiting. To disappear. Off The sports map for a year and a half. It's such an invitation to go. Do something else. They'll watch something else care about something else. Learning expression once upon a time that you should never allow people to do without that thing that they've always thought they can't live without. This would be an invitation for a lot of people. To go find that other thing. And not come back. To. What's at stake? That much just the reputation of your sport and the future of your sport. This is not about saving season. This is about saving the sport. What's a surefire sign that home security system is bad. It's a home security system. That's so complicated. You don't even bother using this is exactly the type of security system? SIMPLISAFE has spent a decade fighting against. They believe that simple is safer, and it's exactly why simply safe is the home security for right now? 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That cliff is not even an option. You, know I. Heard the story about the guy at the zoning board meeting. Who's adamant that we don't need that traffic light on the edge of that cliff so then he drives past the red light just to prove his point in the end. What did he prove? That's what this feels like to me. While so that's what should happen. and this is probably an unfair question. Jason, but what do you expect to happen? You Know Me. My Beer mugs always have full. To be optimistic, person, And, having a hard time using that word optimism, describe this right now, so I'm just throwing optimism at the window I'm trying to be a realistic person. A realistic person would look around and say I will be. The NHL is going to play Adam Silver's in charge of the NBA. So you know they'll figure it out. They'll play. The NFL's determined to play, and then baseball is not gonNA play that it's going to be the one sport that doesn't play over dollars. The Realistic Person In my head that voice says come on. That's absurd. They have to play. Obviously, they'll find a way to make a deal because they can't afford to not play. But Kavita here's what worries me. There are people I talked to in the sport. Just because they always make me feel better at times like this, but when I talked to those people right now. Even they're not sure. So. I'm not sure I hate to do that, too I still think it's seventy five twenty five that they make a deal. So much has to happen in literally the next few days if they're going to play baseball on the fourth of July. I don't know that it's possible. All of that to happen in just a few days I recognized. That is honestly. No deadline June third fifth sixth. None of those are real deadlines, but June is a real month, and it's a critical month for the sport of baseball if they're going to play. Now is the time to look in that crystal ball to read the map to read the room and figure out where you can make a deal. Start pushing in that direction because right now. They're not pushing and it's a really bad look. Well thank you for joining US Jason Great as always talking to you give. It is my pleasure, always an honor to join the lead and great to talk to you. You can follow Jason. Stark coverage of major league baseball at the athletic dot com from wondering on the athletic I'm beat the Davidson CNN, Amaro.
Nani Leads Orlando To An Unlikely MLS Final
"Tonight two teams will square off in the MLS is back final, and one of those teams is led by a former star of world football. Today. The Athletic San Stay Skull joins us to talk about non as recent analysts for Roy ix and what his time in the League has revealed about the Portuguese star. You don't always know how serious these ageing European players are you going to take us or if they're here to live in the US, enjoy the lifestyle and make a few million a year or if they're here to really compete and to really win ninety definitely seems like he's on that side of the spectrum. From. Wondering Emmy Athletic, I'm Cathy Davidson and I'm. Tuesday, August eleventh, and this is the lead it felt like something was happening. There is something. For. The past because. That's not good. This isn't story. The athlete. It stays with you. 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Typical of wondering it has all the trimmings of a premium TV drama wrapped up in a powerful podcast for a limited time. Start Your free trial of one plus in the new wondering APP to listen at free and get early access to blood ties season to make sure to download the APP. Today. So Sam kid you start by describing nominees, two goals in the MLS is back semifinal. Yeah. So Orlando taking on Minnesota Zero, zero game in the first half, and it was zero to sixty two point five seconds. Now. Pace it's been dead. City strike. The wrong ball, the top of Orlando. centrebacks ninety just took a squad I touch. Off Defender and then kind of clipping. Keeper Great I. Touch From Ninety and in this tournament, he has been spot on. The second one came only about six seven minutes later. Tried to curb. Accident. Drove. Downside. Ninety space near the top of the box. He said okay, I'll take the space and. Inside the Post Player, that quality can pick out a quarter anywhere on the field ninety as put Orlando City on his back. To Zero. Really. Cats what has been excellent tournament. And how about the celebrations? Yeah. The celebrations have been really good. I actually think is best one came in the game before when they beat La of after penalties. Bad. To the. Back toward about seven. He just started jogging around the field. These sort of put his hand to his ear, he sort of Taunting L. AFC who is running around in a giant circle and it sort of leads to a little bit of. Shouting and shoving matches. The few players coming together. Sad Jose or Minnesota await of the semifinal one game away from the bottom, and it's funny. Noni is one everything. He's one Premier League Champions League. He's one the euro, and here he is celebrating quarter-final. Win at the MLS is back tournament just like he would any of those titles. So that was pretty cool. The sees he's definitely deeply invested in everything going on down there. Well, let's talk a little more about Noni, his return to the spotlight here I. Could. You just remind us about the buzz around this guy when he first came onto the scene with Manchester United, he was signed by Manchester United kind of as the next Cristiano Renaldo. Reduce. Biggest staging. The. Both came from the same club in Portugal at Sporting, and he was signed for a big money fee believe around twenty, five, million pounds. That was huge transfer fee that point and electric wingers. Superfast skills, not he goes to the left chips. What a? Shock. Brilliant. The expectations were skydives for him and I bet you said I'm expressing his lip that a few times. This season he wanted ton of titles help them do a champions league out them to merely property as. But I think it's probably fair to say he be fell short a little bit of expectations and I don't think that's an indictment on him. It's just the the expectations massive especially after an all the left, and then his Portuguese brethren is national team teammate, the guy who came from the same Boyhood, club? He was supposed to fill the shoes and is it really fair to expect anyone to fill those shoes? Well, maybe except for Leo Messi? Right. No, not really a number of the United Squad are reportedly said to leave Manchester over the coming months with the most high profile of them being Portuguese winger nanny, and he sort of went on a bit of a winding path after had some stops in Italy and Turkey, and eventually ended up back at sporting in Portugal, which seems like sort of a sail into the sunset kind of move. So how? How did you end up coming to major league soccer? So he rejoined sporting in July two, thousand eighteen. But sporting basically, they had a lot of financial difficulties and he ended up going to Orlando, which has a large. Brazilian. Population. Brazilian. Owner Ninety, S, in Brazilian but Portuguese right and they were able to make a deal happen I. Play to win I. Play to compete I. played to achieve big things. And Orlando giving me a chance to to have a new dream. He signed a three year kind of guaranteed contract and he came in last year and he started pretty well. And there we see that board to ease connection starting with Brazilian is the best player. He's the guy they're looking forward to create a lot in attack. They don't have that star striker. A big part of the goal scoring. You kidding me with this going. Good. Knock on him. was that he was always a little bit too selfish that he is more interested in taking a guy on doing some step overs than than making the right passer playing it at the right time. You know he was very young in those days at Manchester and I think he's grown out of that. Bit. Of Time to do that is quality of the highest order, the Capozza and Sam. What about nineties? Performance in the current tournament has stood out to you thus far kind of the thing that struck me the most about ninety mls particularly during this tournament is seriously, he's taking it. You know it doesn't it players and some of these older guys who've done on Europe. When they come to MLS, you don't always know how seriously they're going to take the League and ninety to his credit has taken this incredibly seriously, and you see that what the celebration sir. and you see that in kind of how fired up, he's been in these tournament games down there in Florida his Co. Chaska. Pereira had a really telling quote the thing that. I want you to know is that he is threatening every single day like. This rookie comment to lake you know and we respect only like I was saying you know you don't always know how serious these ageing European players are going to take a less or if they're here to live in the US and enjoy the lifestyle and make a few million a year or if they're here to really compete into really win and ninety definitely seems like he's on that side of the spectrum and Orlando have a number of younger players. Players through trying to bring along you know they're impressionable and so to have a role model into heaven example of guy who has one just about everything there is to win at the highest levels of the game to come in and care that much play like that play that hard that's nothing but really positive. Now, it's confederacies energy. We respect his leadership, and then we'll contend with his performance and this is a club that's been terrible. Never have made the The playoffs they joined in two, thousand fifteen, their expansion season is their best season thus far. That's not how this trajectory should go and they have this kind of nothing ever goes right. They cycle through coaches really quick and this tournament, which in my opinion has been keyed in large part by Noni. Sort of feels like it could be a turning point for the club. Well, Orlando's opponent. Tuesday night in the amyloidosis back. Final is the Portland Timbers, what will. Will you be watching for in that match yet? It's going to be interesting Portland like to sit back in his team's transition. That's not because they lack attacking talent. They have some really good. It's acting player Sebastien Blanco in particular has been excellent along with Nani. Those are probably the two best players in the tournament whoever wins on Tuesday night in the final will win the. MVP. Diego Valeri is has been star for the timbers for many years. Jeremy, Abobo. A young American striker, he scored a solid number of goals in Orlando and his been pretty effective, and they have really good depth. Their backline is a little more suspect, but they've held mostly solid. So it's GonNa be interesting. I think Orlando is going to have the initiative. They're going to have the ability to control the tempo and possession, but that's what Portland once and they have faith in their ability to get at teams in a kind of exposed the gaps. So that's the type of Game I. Expect it's kind of a toss up in my opinion is who the favorite is, but it should be. Be. An interesting one and I think a pretty good match and lastly Sam as of now, MLS is planning to resume its regular season basically right after the AMAS back tournament ends. What's the latest there? There's a lot of moving parts, but the league announced over the weekend. The finalized plan for the first six games of the resumed regular season doing this in phases and it's going to start the day after the final Dallas in Nashville both had to withdraw from the Melissa's back tournament. Due to a rash of covid nineteen positive tests on their respective rosters, they are going to play immediately they're playing. Playing on Wednesday, August Twelfth in Dallas. Playing again on the sixteenth also in Dallas and they will be played in front of France in Frisco. Texas, and then moving forward for the rest of the teams that did in fact, participate in matches in Orlando? Phase, one is six games, and then the plan is to play twelve more after that with the playoffs. Then starting on November twentieth and running until December twelfth for MLS. Cup. They'll be eighteen teams out of twenty six that will make the playoffs. huff said pretty much. Everyone's in the tournament. There's also a huge question about the Canadian teams, there are three. Three Canadian teams in MLS Montreal Toronto in Vancouver. For this first phase, they're only going to play against each other. They are all back in Canada now, when they returned to Canada they all had to do fourteen day quarantine and that fourteen day quarantine. When you cross the border into Canada, it basically makes it. So no American teams can go up there and play which means that the Canadian teams are looking at sites in the US to use his base camps for the last twelve games potentially playoffs. Is there any chance that they all just pack up their bags again and head back into the bubble? Potentially, I. Think if there's one thing we've all learned during this pandemic, it's never to rule anything out. I would say right now that's unlikely. You know a large part of this I bubble was driven by national TV interests and getting games on ESPN and on the Fox univision, and there's less of an imperative to do that. Now, because other leagues are back Right Baseball is back, the NBA is back. Maybe the NFL comes back point of the fall. You know there will be other sports, these networks can show. So we'll see I don't anticipate that happening, but you know. Like I said never say never during these times. Sam. Thanks so much for joining us and enjoy the final. Say so much. You can follow Sam stay school soccer coverage and check out his podcast allocation disorder at the Athletic Dot Com. From wondering. I'm UNDERSCO. See You tomorrow. Hey everybody I'm Patrick. 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Rick Pitino Gets Yet Another Shot
"In in the midst of the corona virus pandemic. There's been some big college hoops news. That's flown under the radar hall of Famer. Rick Pitino is returning to college basketball and his hometown as head coach of I. Don't Rick Pitino. The legendary coach who's last decade was embroiled with controversy will be returning to the NCAA. After nearly three years out of the college game for some Pitino's return carries a lot of negative associations. If you feel like he's on an ethical snake which I do do. I think he's a liar. I do think he's a liar. Do I think that he knew far? More about the scandals. He's been associated with that. He lets on absolutely today. We're speaking with the athletic. Seth Davis about Pitino's rises coach the series of scandals that left him without a job and whether Pitino ultimately deserves another chance. Let's face it becomes just some baggage if you are a big time school? That risk is just not worth from wondering on the athletic. 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You can sparkle and pink white and blue check them out at light bucks jewelry dot com slash lead in use code lead for twenty five dollars off that's lightbulbs jewelry dot com slash lead. L. E. A. D. and use code lead for twenty five dollars off. Well Sas the NCAA. Tournament was officially cancelled two weeks ago and just two days. After that there was a hiring that lots of people probably didn't notice there actually was some very significant college basketball news over this weekend and it involves a hall of Famer. Iona College surprise the college basketball world announcing the hiring of Rick Pitino as their new basketball coach. Pitino ionas one of those programs. That's even though it's amid major level has a lot of history enter addition and has always been one of the top if not the top programs in its conference. Which is the MAC? Back it out and put a board straight season. Rookie Card Danson eighty-one Sixteen ionas head. Tim Clues who'd been there for ten years. Did a really good job. But he was not able to coach this past season because of an undisclosed illness and it was not clear. When or if tim clues was going to be able to come back as head coach and sure enough he announced that he would not and within a day or so. The school announced the Rick. Pitino was his replacement. Rick Pitino has coached a lot of places including the Knicks and Celtics in the NBA and Kentucky and Louisville in college and his career goes back more than four decades. How did Patino rise through the ranks as a coach Rick? Pitino hit the ground running as a young man and never stopped. He had immediate success in his early. Years was hired at a very young age as the head coach of Providence. We run much. Like bird runs on desire. Not so much in being fleet of foot so to speak and and that's what we try and do it all people. Just get them to run. Get them in the best possible physical condition you can be in was one of the first coaches to truly embrace the three-point line. A lot of the old school coaches were not feeling the three point line they thought it was gimmicky. He saw the math. He saw numbers and using that formula with a young guy. And his back. Court named Billy Donovan. was able to coach. Providence to the nineteen eighty-seven final four and only a second year. Rick Pitino brings the providence fires and Billy Donovan into the final toll from there. The Patino legend really took off in a really. Never slow down and stuff. You've been covering Rick. Patino for decades all the way back to when he was the head coach at Kentucky in the eighties nineties. How would you describe his personality? Well I have to say I've always found very likable. Everybody make sure they thanked him. Host this limousine. We haven't taken one in fifteen years since my high school prom. I haven't had a liberal. But I didn't find him likable early on. I covered Patino when he was the coach at Kentucky and he was just word I would use his insufferable and Kentucky is like its own kingdom. You know it was like his fiefdom. He was a God at Kentucky and I think that's cute. His perspective and I heard plenty of stories from employees and assistant coaches around Kentucky about how he treated people. By the time he got to Louisville. I found that he was very chastened by his experience with the Celtics and really the the key event in his life was nine. Eleven and losing his very very best friend is brother-in-law. Billy minority in the Trade Center. That took a whole lot of his heart. That to this day has never been replaced and with him. Understanding Basketball Games are important and the NCAA. Tournament is important. But they're not life and death or other things in life and it's not all about you so this coincided right with him coming back to Louisville because his season at Louisville was two thousand one two thousand two on by that time you know. Patino is kind of at a crossroads in his career. He already has a national championship with Kentucky from Nineteen ninety-six. But he's getting to Louisville in two thousand one after a coaching stint. That did not go. Well well he's coming off the humiliation of the Boston Celtics. The Celtics are twelve games under five hundred. They're season four and a half fame out of the final playoff spot in the east. Larry Dog Fans Kevin McKell walk through that door. I'm not walking through that dog and if the expected to walk through the door they're going to be gray and all what we are young exciting hardworking and going to realize that but people understand how good he is. I mean when a coach gets to the NBA. There's so many factors in terms of the franchise draft pick so As humiliating and as difficult as that spectacular failure was and he walked away from tens of millions of dollars when he left that job. It wasn't like a Wise Louisville Higher and the Guy It was Wow Louisville. Just Got Rick. Pitino is really going to win big there because he's one everywhere that he's been on. Of course. Patino does win. Big At Louisville and culminates in a national title in Two Thousand Thirteen College Basketball Champions Studies as his second National Guard. I just stuck eight. Dow At Louisville Brookhurst at two different schools so in terms of just wins and losses. It's hard to argue with. Pitino track record as a coach. But there's this other side of his career and that's the controversy. August of two thousand three Rick. Pitino has this brief affair with Karen Cypher. On a table in a closed Italian restaurant gets her pregnant and then pays three thousand dollars for an abortion and she's also putting increasing demands on hand that he doesn't pay her money that she is demanding from him and she will go public with what happens and so it takes many years but in the spring of two thousand nine Rick. Pitino has no choice but to make it public. He has to tell the federal authorities that he is being extorted. Prosecutors claim Karen couldn't against cipher demanded millions of dollars from Patino or she would ruin his reputation with claims of rape and a forced abortion Tino now. A coach at Louisville admits he had an extra marital affair with Cypher. In two thousand three it is extremely harmful episode for him to say the least and he's looking down the barrel of losing his family and losing his career at the same time Karen. Cypher is later sentenced to eighty seven months in prison but a very very damaging and painful episode no question and but for the support of the Athletic Director at Louisville. Tom Jurij in most cases. Rick Pitino would be out of a job and let's be honest. If he didn't so much he would not have kept his job. And then in twenty fifteen two years after the national title a Major Scandal Hits Louisville head on this one is initiated by woman named Katina Powell who partnered with a member of Rick. Pitino staff named Andre Magee one of his former players that director of Basketball Operations. Mcgee was accused of bankrolling nearly two dozen parties inside Minority Hall on the University of Louisville campus parties where strippers and prostitutes were used to lure recruits Katrina. Powell did what people tend to do which is exposed all this in a book that she co wrote and these Allegations and facts were extremely troubling on several levels. First of all there's the legality of sex trafficking and whether using people who are underage serving than alcohol. So they're laws being broken But there's also the matter of What does the NCAA do about this? Because you could. And they did eventually make the argument that it gave Louisville a recruiting advantage by providing extra benefits to recruits and players. Once you determine that someone has received something they should not have received they're supposed to be ineligible and therefore any games that they played in have to be eradicated or addressed in some way An- Louisville's case this included players who played on the two thousand thirteen. Nc A championship team. So this is a big time pickle up for the university because you've got a head coach. Who already had this big time personal failing and now this very sworded set of circumstances. It was a big big mess. What was Rick? Pitino is role in all of this. Well Rick Pitino. We'll swear as he has many many times that he didn't know that any of this was going on one person do some scarlets things I believe so what I know now I believe so the only thing I don't know I don't know why he did it but it must be said Kavita that from the NCAA standpoint. It does not matter because a set of rules were passed a few years ago about head coach responsibility and head coach control. Where if a member of your staff commits a violation that violation and the penalties therein are attributed to the head coach so even if the head coach does not know about it and even if the NCAA stipulates we believe you. The head coach is responsible for it and the head. Coach gets penalized for it. The NCAA HIT Louisville with a huge Infractions case it deemed that the players were in fact retroactively ineligible the NC Double A. Has Denied Louisville's appeal of penalties handed down last year as a result of the teams stripper scandal. Meaning the Louisville. Men's basketball team will officially vacate. It's Twenty Thirteen National Championship and twenty twelve final four appearance penalties for the first time in. Ncaa history a national championship is vacated. At this time was there pressure for him to step down. There was always pressure for Rick. Pretender TO STEP DOWN. Much of that pressure came from the media. Much of that pressure came from outside the university the the backbone of his relationship to that university was their athletic director Tom Jurij they very well entrenched respected and very powerful athletic director and extremely extremely close with Rick Pitino and they weren't just colleagues Kavita. I mean those guys are very very close friends and so because of Tom Georgia support. Rick Pitino appeared that he was going to be able to survive yet another scandal at Louisville. Well he did survived for the time being but the knockout blow really comes in two thousand seventeen when yet another controversy hovers over Louisville after some explosive findings from an FBI investigation prosecutors allege and Assistant Coach at Louisville was part of a scheme to pay at least one hundred thousand dollars to the families of two recruits if they signed with the university. The central figure in these cases was a young man named Christian Dawkins Christian doctrines wants to become an agent. And the best way to do that is by latching onto a player who can help you. Establish your agency and so Christian Dawkins did that with Brian. Bowen a player who committed to Louisville the allegations that the southern district of New York later made in their indictment was adidas which sponsors Louisville funneled one hundred thousand dollars to Christian doctrines into Brian. Bowen family so he would play for Louisville. Because Adidas is ostensibly invested in Louisville's success in a statement. Pacino's lawyer said the information disclosed thus far is clearly insufficient to implicate coach. Pitino in any type of misconduct. The rush to judgment is regrettable. It's fair to say that at this point the powers that be at the university on the board of trustees and the greater community at large they were done with Patino and they were done with their athletic director. Tom Jurij effective immediately coach. Pitino has been placed on an unpaid administrative leave coach. Pitino EMPLOYMENT WILL BE REVIEWED. At a later date they go through the motions of suspending him first and then firing him later and it's pretty amazing to think that none of the Louisville coaching staff was ever arrested as part of this case and to this day. Rick Pitino is the only head coach who's lost his job. It's time to talk about something. Super Awkward Debt. Getting INTO DEBT IS EASY. 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That the winning offsets the downsides of bringing Rick Pitino onboard while Seth you've sat down with Patino less than a year after he left Louisville to interview him about his book. How is he doing at that time? I found him pretty much. A man of peace quite frankly I think he understood that. There are certain people who are going to think things about him that they wanted to think his conscience was clear. You know I got a little spoiled. Then you can get lays never got lazy. But I trusted my assistant coaches so much of a pilot so many good people that I never bought a million years to Mike guys can do what they did. Because that's not what our philosophy was. Rick Pitino will tell you that as the head coach. He understands that he's responsible for what happens in his program but he insists both with regards to Katina. How and also what happened with Kristin Dawkins and Brian Bowen? That would ever happen. He didn't know about it and there's never been any evidence to say that he knows about those things. I'm not GonNa let you should know. No I shouldn't have known that I make mistaken who I hired one hundred percent. Does the buck stop would mean one hundred percent And I've got to take ownership for all of them but The truth a matter. Is that these. Two assistant coaches did the wrong things. They were taught to do the right things by their parents and by me and and they've got to be contrite and going to own up to what they did wrong then move on with their lives and so he is willing to accept his responsibility for being the head coach but he felt he was very very unfairly treated by the school for firing him so quickly before. All the facts of the case could come out to me. This board of Trustees locking me at my office telling me I'm dismissed before facts came out. Let it develop and frankly. I think he has an argument to make their in terms of culpability. In the case Rick. Pitino is never a target of the investigation. He was never a defendant. He was never an Unindicted Co conspirator on what did Patino say to you about his future as a coach when you sat down to talk to him at that point he decided he was gonna coach again and He was at peace with that coach. Someone officer job down the way I feel today. Yes life changes but like I said the media that I knew I can have a beer with them talk through. That's not the world anymore that that that world that I lived in. I liked today to media. It's more important for them to be I than it is to get the correct story so i. I'm not sure I want to coach World War. One thing I've learned with routine over the years is that while. He may believe what he is saying with the full conviction of his heart in that moment what he is saying is only applicable for that moment. And he's just one of these type. A personalities I've dealt with a lot of coaches like this. I think frankly a lot of them have some form of attention deficit where they just can't sit still and Rick. Pitino is one of those guys who's bursting with energy and he's a basketball coach. He's not a painter. He's not a poet and so not long after he swore up and that he was through coaching. He has an opportunity to coach a team in the Greek league and he takes it points. H getting helping you out gave up. 'cause you're not containing the guy. Go to Greece Fun. Players run practice. Coaching Games loved to do is what I'm good at and had this Iona Opportunity not presented itself. I'm sure he could have coached overseas for a number of years. We'll show that brings us back to his hiring and I don't know what's the reaction around college basketball been in the in the week. Plus since that hiring so of course leave it to Rick. Pitino to be hired in the midst of the global pandemic. You know it's interesting all this talk about well. I thought he was through with coaching. He thought he was through with coaching. Certainly no college would bring him back. I think we really forget. What time does to those calculations I still think? We live in a pretty forgiving society and the bottom line is. He's still a really good coach. And there's no doubt that players are gonNA WANNA play for him and it's GonNa be. It's GonNa be an exciting story. I mean even if people wanna root as hard as they can against him. It's still something that gets people talking about college basketball. Well and why do you think Iona was? The right place was willing to be the place where for lack of a better way to put it. Pitino starts his redemption tour. Well I don't think it was realistic for a power conference really high elite high major school to hire Patino. Because let's face it. He comes with some baggage and by the way. Louisville still has not been served with a even a notice of allegations based on revelations that came out of the FBI case so there are some major league shoes to drop if you are a big time school. That risk is just not worth it. Plenty of really good coaches that you could hire that. Don't come with that kind of downside but if you're gonNA there's a lot more upside that I think over takes the risk and the downside to hiring them so you know from my own standpoint. I think it's a pretty smart move and I think the energy and the success that he brings to your program and your university at large. I think there's a pretty convincing case to be made that that it's whatever comes with him. the upside the hypothetical. If you're a I ONA is well worth the investment. Just to add to what you're saying you know. Pitino's not out of the woods here like there's still a chance that he will eventually face a suspension so iona certainly taking a gamble on a number of levels keeping that in mind. What do you see as the endgame for Rick Pitino Now? Is this job at Iona. Is this job at Iona. His Swansong or his last. Hurrah or is it potentially a stepping stone for him getting back to being the head coach at a major program? I mean the man is sixty seven years old I don't believe he is looking for the next thing all the time the way that he used to. I don't believe that he is looking for a stepping stone. I think he would have been the coach. Louisville for the rest of his life So I have no problem Believing in the possibility that he could be the coach at Iona and that this is going to be his last stop. I would also have no problem believing that he'd be dumb enough to take the Knicks job or or that another school. You know that if he won again at Iona and another opportunity came along and a quote unquote higher level that he would want to take that job. So who knows one thing that I've learned In covering Rick Pitino now for a quarter century is anything is possible. Anything is possible for this man. Good bad and everything in between all right. Well thank you so much for joining US seth. Thanks for having me. You can read. Seth Davis Coverage of college basketball at the ATHLETIC DOT com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead as hospitals continue to be overwhelmed with corona virus patients MLB and fanatics the company that makes official jerseys for Major League. Baseball are stepping up with a big contribution on Thursday Michael Rubin Chairman of fanatics and part owner of the Philadelphia Seventy sixers announced they are halting production of MLB jerseys to make masks and gowns to donate to hospitals fanatics plans on donating a million masks to hospitals across Pennsylvania and they hope to expand to New York and New Jersey in the near future meanwhile UFC star and light heavyweight champion. Jon Jones was arrested for aggravated. Dwi and negligent use of a firearm. In New Mexico on Thursday he was also charged with possession of an open container and no proof of insurance officers say they found Jones in his jeep with watery. Bloodshot eyes on a bottle of alcohol in the backseat Albuquerque. Police say they were responding to a report of a single gunshot in the area and found a gun and a bullet casing Jones's vehicle Jones considered one of the greatest enemy fighters of all time. And I won the light heavyweight title in twenty eleven and finally Fred Curly Neal. One of the most memorable and iconic members of the Harlem globetrotters passed away on Thursday. Neal was the face of the globetrotters for twenty two years and played in more than six thousand games. All over the world for the team and he's one of only five globetrotters to have his Jersey retired curly. Neal had some of the best handles the game of basketball has ever seen Pistons legend. Isaiah Thomas put it pretty well tweeting quote for those who say the game has evolved. I say what's old is new again. Distant shot making dribbling is back Hashtag. Curly Neal and Hashtag Marcus. Haynes taught me how to dribble Hashtag globetrotters. That's it for the week. Everyone thanks for listening. Our producers are Caitlyn plummer. 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UFC 249: Ultimate Fighting in the Time of Corona
"Leave it or not tomorrow is. Fight Night Ladies and gentlemen to a UFC. Two forty nine. He's going down on Saturday in Florida. A state where stay at home restrictions have been eased and sports like professional wrestling and have been deemed essential today joined by the athletics. Shaheen shoddy to talk about how this fight came to be the plan to keep fighter safe at what to expect in the cage from Justin Gate g and the eccentric Tony Ferguson. I would say in a sport of very unique and very hybrid capable people. He is one of the most unique people I've ever met in my entire life. The rat race From wondering athletic I'm Davidson and I'm under skelter. It's Friday may eighth and this is. It felt like something was happening. There is something about the emotion and you never seen. This isn't a story. You're the athlete it stays with you. The lead is supported by light. Box Have you heard about box lab grown diamonds? 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He needed to go do something and put on shows because that's all he really does and also. I think there's money issues to be to be talked about as well. Endeavor as a company had a failed. Ipo launch a lot of their businesses tied to the live event market and the UFC seemingly easiest thing for them to get back up and running because it is a very unique sport in a pandemic type of world there. There isn't thirteen people or thirty people on a court or field. It's to people a referee. And then you can kind of make do with everything else. You mentioned Endeavour. Which is the parent company? Was there ever a situation where the? Ufc could have failed financially if they weren't allowed to put on live pay per view events. It's hard to say because a lot of that is so murky and we're still hearing little bits and pieces of that. It really all ties back to endeavor because I think the U of C as an entity is doing fine but endeavored really does seem to be struggling just as a company. We'll so what were the biggest challenges facing you have see in the lead up to planning this fight. There were numerous and I think it's a lot of the challenges that now the NBA in the NHL and all of these leagues are now dealing with their starting. To sort of address is the health and safety aspect first of all. How can you make sure that this is something that we even really can hold in a safe manner? Are you going to be Co Vitesse? What type of regulations of their social distancing regulations? How do you house fighters for the week in the city? How do you take care of them? Who GETS THEM FOOD? Who DOES THEIR LAUNDRY? There's so many aspects to this did feel like they had figured it out to some degree for the April Eighteenth Show. They were going to run out of an event. Venue in California that was on native American Land Tachi Palace was name of the hotel and they essentially. We're GONNA just book. This hotel for multiple weeks basically owned this hotel and sort of use this as an impromptu headquarters that now what they've essentially done in Jacksonville so walk us through what the UFC is doing this weekend. Where's the event being held? And what's their plan to protect fighters and everyone else involved. The shows are GONNA be at the Veterans Memorial arena over there in Jacksonville and they have essentially just blocked out an entire hotel for used by the UFC. This week is going to be very very different compared to any other fight week that you have see has ever held when fighters arrive in Jacksonville. They're immediately going to go into medical screening situation where they're going to be tested for corona virus. There's temperature checks. They're going to then be asked to self isolate in the hotel until those test results. Come back and at that point on anyone who's working or around that week is basically going to get medically screened every day. That the at the hotel and there's going to be individualized workout rooms for fighters at the hotel where this guy gets this room. You can work out in this room. All of those rooms are going to be equipped with with sanitizer and Matt Sanitizer in Personal Sauna for the weight. Cutting hotel staff are going. GonNa be equipped with hospital grade sanitizer. There's a lot of moving parts to it but it seems as though the AFC has figured it out to some degree and it's going to be interesting to see how this week plays out when unlike bigger leagues like the NBA and the NFL or Mlb know the UFC is dealing with with individual athletes not teams of players and large organizations. How has that affected the UFC's efforts here on ESPN RA? I love this detail. Espn reported that Donald Sironi is driving there in an RV and not getting out until way in so so it sounds like some fighters are doing things their own way. That has been sort of one of the strange subplots to this entire pandemic for for our sport. At least because so many of the gyms were the fighters train out of those gyms have been closed. I've spoken to a lot of the fighters on this card over the past few weeks and it's a lot of rocky type of training where you get these guys doing workouts in their brothers garage or wherever they can find them doing stuff at home sparring with their wife. Ooh trains or using that type of thing like there's so many strange stories and subplots going on with how guys are able to get ready for this event a little over a month ago. The head of the Association of Ringside. Physicians said that he would advise against holding this event at all what what's changed since then. Some states like Florida are easing restrictions but medical experts. Still say that this pandemic is is far from over and that is the ultimate question. 'cause you're right nothing much has changed and I would say actually the situations probably got a little worse. What's changed really is that Florida is into it and that's kind of what it all comes down to. It's completely different now for some reason a couple of weeks later. I don't know there's a good reason other than Florida is just a lot more willy nilly and open to this sort of thing and that then clears the roadway for everyone else to say look. The government is sanctioning. This government is into it has to be okay as to some degree. What is the? Us's plan if someone does has positive for the corona virus either before or after this event? Dad is a massive question and that is a question. We've asked numerous times and we have not gotten an answer for over the course of the past six to eight weeks the. Ufc has been very evasive with a lot of answers when it comes to protocols in health and safety regulations and things like that they are not telling the media much and that's not really a divergence from their usual practices. They very much do not tell the media much they only tell the media sort of what they want to tell the media. That's not different but it is a different type of circumstance right. This isn't a normal situation and and their secrecy. When it comes to these things has been if not typical. It has been at least alarming to some degree because we still don't know I mean there's I don't know what would happen if a fighter or a corner man or somebody comes from this event having this virus what happens then do we shut down all the rest of these events that are planned. No one really has told anybody and no one really knows so. That's a big question heading into this. Howard fighters themselves feeling about their own safety and getting back to the octagon. I'll preface it by saying there's definitely a lot of fighters who I've spoken to. Who are very concerned about this. Who Don't feel comfortable competing until all of this figured out who have either young children at home or people who would be at risk around them and that sort of thing and they just don't want to put themselves in that position that being said there is certainly a very large contingent of fighters who very much wants to compete and wants to compete as soon as possible professional cage fighters MMA fighters you have see fighters are very different from normal athletes. In that they are they're classified as independent contractors and they do not have a players association. They do not have a union or anything like that. They don't make money unless they fight and if they're just sitting around and they're not fighting they're not making any income at all unless they have side hustles. Which a lot of them do. But a lot of those side hustles shutdown right now to whether it's only gym or something like that. There are a lot of fighters out there who are struggling right now and really worried about where their next paycheck is going to come. From and ultimately it seems as though that worry is probably going to overtake a lot of their concerns. Whether you know they feel comfortable competing because at some point you do need to get a page as a human being to be able to support you know your livelihood and things like that so in a way does this feel exploitative a lot of these fighters like you said they need to fight to earn a living but we're living through a pandemic and at least right now it feels like some of these people have no choice but to fight because they have no other means of making money. Oh absolutely I mean I I think. In general this is very exploitation business. The power imbalance is stark. And it is very obvious once you once you spend any real amount of time talking to people behind the scenes about long. Been a topic of discussion the sport but the pay the revenue balance of how much the revenue goes to the fighters and the athletes. And how much goes to the promotion is so outrageously skewed towards the promotion? Some of these guys are making ten thousand dollars to fight some of these guys who have been around for years or still making you know fifty to seventy grand four fight and then you gotta take away. Taxes and coaches and management fees. Some of them will come away with. Say a seventy grand paycheck. Come Away with forty five grand and that's not that much maybe people will hear that and say oh. I'd like to make forty five grain in the night but that's not really how it worse. That's forty five brand to last them until they fight again and it may not be six eight months ten months until they fight again. And this is someone who's been at the top level sport for a very long time so they they're at a very unique and specialized position when it comes to the athletic world especially major sports and yeah. I definitely do feel as though there are some level of internal pressures within the sport compelling at least two need to fight not even to want to fight but to need to fight at a time like that that that is a very real concern life right now is a lot it forces us to always be on and even though we're all stuck indoors it can still feel like everything is go. Go go but every now and then it's really important to stop and take a second to chill and when I need to take that moment my favorite way to do it is a mountain cold cores. Light of course is the only beer that's really made to chill cores. Light is brewed with three step cold process. It's called Logger. Cold filtered and cold packaged and the mountains on the bottles and cans even turn blue when beers cold. That way. 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Title Fight Between Tony Ferguson. And just engage Jay first of all. This isn't the fight that was opposed to happen right. I mean it was supposed to be Ferguson versus Habib. Habib Noriega made off is officially out of his scheduled. Fight with Tony Ferguson. For April Eighteenth at U. OF C. To Forty Ninety made the announcement via his instagram earlier in the week during an instagram live near Mogomedov revealed he was in Russia and due to travel restrictions. It was essentially stuck there due to the corona virus outbreak. That has taken the glow by storm. Now Tony Ferguson. Versus number off is the white whale of this right now. We have been trying to make this fight between these two. Gentlemen these two lightweights for going on six years at this point. Tony Ferguson. Handyman offered the two greatest lightweights of all time. They're not even the greatest lightweights of their era. They have dominated a division. That is the most talent rich talent stacked division in the entire world for the better part of nine years. Stay of trouble going to look at Dr Soak against sliding it looking to finish right here this technique. He loves his technique. Record should have fought each other so many times at this point. In in various circumstances increasingly bizarre circumstances keep preventing this from happening early on. It was just injuries. Then it became wait. Cut Related things then at one point. Tony Ferguson injured himself on the week of the fight by tripping over a television cord while doing an interview. That's a real thing now. The next time it's a pandemic a global pandemic that has cancelled his fight. We'll so tell us about just engaging what's his style in the Octagon Justin Gage. If you are someone who has never watched an may fight in your life just engaged. She is the single most exciting fighter in the history of the sport. Twenty seconds left to Ken Awesome. He grew up in Arizona. He came up in the fighting in Arizona regional scene and I remember even some of his early fights here just in the smaller promotions. He was a superstar before he was a superstar. He he is someone who is all aggression offense walking forward at all times. He is just trying to break people and he is probably involved with four or five of the most exciting fights in the history of the lightweight. Division he is a tremendous tremendous competitor. Someone who just does not quit. And he has really within the past year or two tweet. His style to become gauge. Two point always playing defense a little more. He's playing. He's being a little more patient with his offense but he's still that Marauder that destroyer out there and he has been getting knockout. Knock out after knockout hitting the best. Stretch of his career is just engage. He actually going to end up benefiting from this because this is a this is a card he would not have been a part of had it not been for these restrictions. Absolutely ABS- I mean. Just engage someone who I know pretty well. And he is in asking for an opportunity like this in deserving of an opportunity like this for basically a year at this point and then you always have conor McGregor. Just sort of lying out there as a spectator in waiting. He doesn't really deserve a lot of the shots that gets but he is Conor McGregor. He's the biggest star we've ever seen in the sport and so at any time he can parachute in and steal a title shot from somebody just really whenever he wants. So the lightweight division has been a big mix up for a long time and just engage sort of been stuck. He's been stuck in stasis kind of not being able to get the fights that he deserves in once because of Connor. Khabib Tony that whole triumvirate. That was going on at the top. He wouldn't be getting the shot in a normal circumstance but now he is getting the shot in the UFC. Dana White had promised that the winner of this fight. We'll fight Habib so just path to the title. Very quickly has materialized right in front of them. Well the real character. That will all be watching tomorrow night. Is Tony Ferguson? How would you describe Tony Ferguson? I would say in a sport of very unique. And very hyper capable people. He is one of the most unique people I've ever met my entire life. This is a rat race. So which one's your favorite Michaelangelo someone who doesn't really have a team in MMA? We have a lot of teams. Were a lot of big name. Fighters were will sort of grouped together and trained together and learn for a couple of coaches. And that's just sort of the setup in the system that we have in place. Tony Ferguson. Does his own thing. He doesn't have a coach really. He has a couple of coaches that uses. He's sort of runs his own camp. He's doing very outlandish things. His training regimen is some of the most bizarre stuff that I've ever seen in my entire life. Some have questioned whether it works. The guy doesn't lose so it's hard to say it doesn't work but there are definitely videos out there that you will find of whether it's his from his instagram or youtube or whatever of him doing very strange things at one point during peak boredom. I The list of the ten weird. Is Tony Ferguson? Workouts on the Internet and some of them have to do with him wearing full jeans and like batting gloves in like just tackling parametric boxes as swinging sledgehammers over his head in very bizarre fashion. Some are just picking up tires like over his head in a way. That looks like somebody's back would get broken if they did it. All so strange. I'm not doing a justice. So there's that element of it through the physical element of it. But then also the way that his mind works. He is to hear him. Speak this board. There's no one who really speaks like him. I am the champ. I don't have a built up here I don't need to have a belt. Appeared champ deserve to fight. We need to fight for the fifth time. We need to try this out again. He is the champ. I was the champ. I'm still damp. I have to tell you I have to get these guys respect. I got I don't WanNA call mcnuggets anymore. I don't WanNa call in term because actually got old. I did that Shit on purpose. All combat sports in general always historically it matters. How good you talk right? It matters how well you talk. That's why Conor McGregor is who he is. He talked so well and he builds a fight. So well Tony. Ferguson doesn't have the cadence and the content of a normal interview. He kind of goes along his own train of thought. It's very stream of conscious. There's all sorts of weird sidestreets that you take with the sky when you're talking to him and then just in the cage. He is a supernatural force. Violence no such thing as breathing room. When you're fighting Tony Ferguson? Berry Heavy Ferguson's hitting it very hard to get his bike and start moving. He can't sit here like this and we just got here off Tony Bird. Five knockout sensation ca boom right on the jaw. Let me take a famous graphic the space of all of his last opponents on this current win streak of his after the fight and it looks like a bunch of defeated character sprites from the video game street fighter two back in the day. It's just disgusting. What he does to these people in the cage. How badly he bloodies them up. He cuts them up. He scars them. It is it. Seems like a nightmarish experience to fight him. Even interviewed a ton of people about to tell stories about Tony Ferguson. What what which of those stories was your favorite the best story. I think that we got from this was from the UFC. Play by play commentator. A man named John Antic who is called a thousand fights. He's been this game along time when he fought. Anthony Showtime Pederson I've never had a shower like that sitting off the gun side before we get splattered with blood on my note cards on my face on the front of my neck a little bit on my shirt but never where you know the athletes are are the blood is like spewing over on top of US like a shower. I mean I was getting legitimate. Dollops of human blood on the back of my shirt And of course it wasn't only Ferguson's blood. He showed us the picture of the suit shirt that he wore that night. And there's just a gigantic dollop of dark red blood on his white shirt. It is just really stark reminder of how real intense sport is and what a guy like. Tony I can do you also finally Shaheen. What's going to happen in the Octagon Tomorrow? Who Walks Away with this interim title? Oh my gosh I have no idea I think if this would have been a couple of weeks ago this would have been April eighteenth. Everything that I've heard I mean he justin's even told me this himself. Justin would not have been ready for that. I fight. He was taking that fight on a couple of weeks notice. He wasn't preparing for a fight before that he was really just going to have to get thrown in there with with This hell spawn of a lightweight. Now he's had a couple more weeks to prepare it's really been embedded deep in training camp He's had two welterweight champion than you have see Kamara loose man helping him out as well. They're managed by the same man so the Hayes had a good team around him and having spoken to both just an aunt his head coach now. Trevor Wittman within the past couple of days. Both of them feel very very confident. That justice is now ready for this that this is a very different fight than it would have been a couple of weeks ago. So we're GONNA get the best John's Justin and we're GONNA get the best Tony. Anything can go against with these two guys. I have no way. I'm leaning towards Turkey Ferguson. And probably GONNA pick Tony Ferguson. On our show But anything can happen. Nothing was surprised me. This is just going to be all action excitement. All right well. It's going to be fun to watch. Thank you so much for joining US Shane. Oh absolutely my pleasure. Thank you for you can read Shaheen. Al Shoddy is collection of stories about Tony Ferguson. At the Athletic Dot Com and you can also catch his podcast there as well. It's called the man and the myth here are some other stories. We're following at the lead the. Nfl gave its fans another bit of excitement last night when they officially released the twenty twenty schedule in a completely necessary. Three Hour TV special on ESPN the season opener. We'll see to Shawn Watson and the Texans face off with the reigning Super Bowl Champion. Kansas City chiefs. Meanwhile Tom Brady will make his bucks. Debut in the superdome against the saints up North Aaron Rodgers and the packers will open their campaign against the Vikings giving us all a chance to watch Jordan. Love hold a clipboard against the division rival. Finally the saints in the Vikings will play in a rare Friday night game on Christmas after all. Who doesn't want the gift of watching Kirk cousins and other completely not the same. Nfl news reports surfaced on Wednesday night about a domestic dispute involving ravens. Safety Earl Thomas and his wife Meena that took place back in April according to TMZ. Meena Thomas held the seven time. Pro Bowler at point after finding him in bed with a group of other people earl. Thomas released a statement on his INSTAGRAM RESPONSE. To the news becoming public talker voters. Just keep us in your prayers and stuff like this happens a try to live the best life possibly can but sometimes it goes plan. Thomas and two friends were arrested for burglary of a residence with intent to commit aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Earl Thomas was not charged in the Gulf World Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods announced that their head to head competition cleverly titled The match Will Take Place on May twenty fourth in Florida. This is the second time that you had faced each other head to head and like any sequel. They added some new characters to spice it up. Tom Brady and Peyton. Manning will be paired with the two. Pj LEGENDS IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT VIDEO Mickelson in woods wasted. No time bringing out the forced smacktalk. This is the trophy for the badge. I don't know actually you know what this looks like. You might have caught a glimpse but that's that's actually what the trophy looks like. Had you at one brady will be paired with Mickelson and manning will join forces with woods. That's for the week. Thanks for listening. Everyone our producers Kaelin plummer Chris Siegel and Chris olen editing and production by senior producers lead Hernandez Matt strope fact checking and writing by Ian Hurley. Sound Design and mixing by White on Lynn. Aaron May and Joe Richardson. Our theme song was composed by Lindsey Graham. The executive producer of the lead is me. Scelzo or editorial director is could beat the Davidson. Our is executive produced by Lea Hernandez Marshal Louis Airman Lopez for wondering from wondering and the athletic. I'm under skelter and I'm Cathy Davidson CNN.
Introducing The Lead: Your New Daily Sports Fix
"Cure Business Wars. We just can't get enough of a good story. That's why we're excited to share with you a new daily sports podcast from wondering and the athletic that you're gonNA WANNA listen to it's called the lead and it's for every type of sports fan who wants to go beyond the box score every weekday morning the lead will bring you one big story story from the Athletics All Star Team of local and national sports reporters. Some stories will be a fresh. Take on a major news event and other episodes will feature an indepth look into what's been happening off the field from the story of how a terrible call and last year's. NFL playoffs made the entire city of New Orleans lose their minds to indepth interviews on mental health in Sports. The lead is your daily. Lens into the biggest stories of the day told by the people who write them believe is hosted by Sports Ryder Kavita Davidson and peabody award winning journalist unders Kelco who will take you close to the story through comprehensive reporting fascinating clips and exclusive interviews. You won't hear anywhere else. You're about to hear a preview of the lead while you're listening go subscribe to the lead on Apple podcasts or wherever you're listening listening right now. There's also a link in the episode notes. That will take you there in last season's. NFL Playoffs as every football fan remembers the New Orleans saints were on the verge of a trip to the super bowl west the breeze but Nan not one of the worst halls calls in sports history. Let's going crazy as there's no flagged right on the sidelines it was all anyone could talk about for days bad call had saint fans screaming last night glaring case of pass interference one of the most obvious case you'll ever see and it wasn't analyze and it led to an unprecedented response from saints fans billboards boycotts federal lawsuits against the NFL including reports of a possible class action lawsuit against the NFL filed by people who lost big money betting on the saints the issue even ended up on the floor of the US Senate. The state of Louisiana is outrage rage because of what happened in the Superdome last Sunday yesterday the teams met in highly anticipated rematch and once again again. The saints were on the wrong end of a bad call. This should have been a touchdown for the New Orleans Saints Today. We're going to talk with the athletics. Larry holder a football columnist who lives in New Orleans about saints fans epic quest for justice after last season's blown call and we'll hear from saints fans ends at yesterday's game who let's just say we're not feeling great jacket and I'm thinking you know we can't catch a good call from wondering on the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson and I'm under SCELZO. It's Monday September sixteenth and this is the lead. It felt like like something was happening. There is something about the emotion and the past it was not. This isn't a story. You're going to be the athlete. It stays with you. Aw thank you either. What's at ponders well before we get started. This is the very first episode so of the League and since you and I are the hosts I thought maybe we should just quickly explain what the show is so. The lead is the show. I always always wish existed. I'm a sports writer but I was a sports fan. I and it's really all about great stories great stories from great sports reporters who are all all over the country. I mean these are journalists who live in these cities and no these teams and these players but you don't have to be a fan of those teams or those players to care about about these stories for example in this first episode you talk to Larry Holder who has covered the New Orleans saints for Almost fifteen years about why that terrible call Paul last season provoked such an unprecedented response yeah and it really helped me to understand why saints fans did what they did and Y fans at yesterday's game. Were so demoralized. It's really something anyone can identify with so. Should we get to the story. Let's go for it it so Larry. Let's start with a very basic question. How important is football is as the game of football to the city of New Orleans. I'll just put it to you this way. When Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans August two thousand and five and of course everyone one is recovering from the storm people. Are Literally taking their FEMA checks to by saint season tickets. That's how important the saints are to this community and I'd say without the saints returning to the city at that point. I don't think the city would have ever actually rebounded so I would say unlike like many if any NFL fan base within the League all right so let's go back to this incredible no call its last year's. NFC FC Championship game the saints in the Rams are tied in the fourth quarter and the saints look like they're about to score and book a trip to the super bowl walk because through what happens next Tommy Lewis who was really kind of an unknown receiver within the saints receiving core. He's not one of their top targets. He's basically running free three down the sideline breeze and then nickell robey Coleman in absolute desperation flies basically headfirst into Tommy Lee Lewis drew brees has a perfect pass complete. No Flag Tommy Lee Lewis to officials rules are looking at each other one looks like he's about to take the flag out and throw it a second one basically says no no no it's not pass interference or a helmet to helmet call which is also of course you legal in the NFL and the play just goes on. You're in the stadium when this happens. How does the crowd react. It was utter a gasped crowd's going crazy as there's no flag right on the safe side and then of course the replay they put it up in the on the big screens in the superdome and everyone loses their minds he all he was doing was was staring down. Louis and just playing the man and you add it all together and it became a complete and utter D'Amato the rams get the ball back the saints. This defense is probably a little bit in Shell Shock. The rams drive down the field. They kick a field goal. Send it to overtime the saints. Get the ball. First in overtime. drew brees is hit throws interception which means when the rams get the ball. All they've got to do is kick a field goal Richard. That was a preview of the first episode of the lead to hear the rest of the episode. Listen and subscribe to the lead on Apple podcasts or wherever you're listening right now.
Yes, The Astros Cheated
"Welcome to our colleagues broke some pretty big baseball news yesterday about about the Houston Astros stealing pitcher signs. This whole story from the athletic today is focused on the two thousand seventeen season accusations. It's made now by former Astro Fisher. My fires who was on the Ken Rosenthal on Evan Drellich reported that the Astros used a high powered camera in the outfield to record opposing. Teams catchers and then decoded their signals in real time. This was illegal in baseball in the ASO's announced today that they have begun an investigation in coordination ordination with Major League Baseball. Wink wink today. Ken Rosenthal joins us to talk about their exclusive report about how widespread sign stealing really is in baseball and what the consequences might be for. The Astros does this taint the Astros Championship from wondering any athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson. And I'm under SCELZO. It's Wednesday November thirteenth. And this is the lead sucker teed off in that like I was going to throw a fat bat. It felt like something great was happening. Something emotion and in the past don't matter does that. This isn't a story rear view the athlete and it stays with you all right Ken. Let's just jump right in. Tell us about this story that you and Evan broke yesterday yesterday well connected to the story. About how the Astros used electronic means to steal signs during the two thousand seventeen season and some fans might say. What's the big deal Stein? Steinfield has been going on forever and it has but finds dealing with use of technology electron. Ix that is forbidden it was proven then prohibited and Major League. Baseball put even more stringent rules in place starting in the two thousand eighteen postseason but then really for the two thousand nineteen season as a whole so. That was the gist of the story. But the story also while it focused on the Astros is about baseball and how this is not simply really an astros issue. They'll one team other teams. Surely do this. We didn't have information on them to report the the Astros but the Astros Joe's felt to some degree they were doing this as a defensive measure. They had to keep up with the Joneses. They had to make sure that they weren't trumped with the things that they felt. We're being done to them. So that's why it's bigger than just one team right. And can you describe how best you can tell from your sources how this all started with the Astros. In two thousand seventeen. It started with two members of the organization and they were talking and they decided. Hey you know what we've got to do something because others are doing things and then they came up with this scheme and it was actually kind of simple Cameron Centerfield that was focused on the catcher. Sign not a broadcast cameras. The separate camera of some kind and that zeroed in on the catcher signed a monitor right off the dugout kind of underneath the dugout behind the dugout. That was carrying a live feed from that camera. At that point as the game is going on there are players and other the personnel watching and trying to decode the signs. Once they did then they would signal by banging on a garbage can to the hitter if a certain pitch was coming now with the did according to what we heard was most often bang the garbage can went off speed. Pitch was coming. Change up curveball. For a ball and that indicated that the hitter. Hey here's what's common use it or not some hitters. Don't like to use this because they don't trust it. They feel like if they get burned once it's wants to any but other hitters really did otherwise the astros would not have been doing this and that is a system that they use now. We don't know for a fact. We cannot confirm for a fact that they used it during the two thousand seventeen postseason. We do not have specific information that they used during the two thousand eighteen in two thousand nineteen seasons as well but in the most recent playoffs during the ails the Yankees accused the Astros of having having a whistling sound coming from the dugout. They felt was related to some kind of science feeling operation. Major League Baseball found the Astros. Not Guilty of anything. No wrongdoing. They he said and then in the world series the nationals basically changed signs as often as they could even though they had not done that in the previous round because of their. There's fear and concern that the astros were somehow illegally feeling fine. Now that's not proof of anything but it speaks to the paranoia about that particular. The team that exists in the industry there was a specific to specific incidents that you wrote about with a pitcher from the white sox In September of two thousand seventeen yes. She's his name is Danny Farquhar and he heard a banging in the dugout when he was throwing his changeup. Andy founded odd. Because the Astros knew exactly what to do with is changing amy through good change up. They weren't swing at the founded odd. Then he called the catcher out and said listen. Let's change up the signs act as if there's a man on second base stealing signs with gold. Oh about that way. Protect ourselves to bang stopped now after the article came out. There is a very clever individual. Who goes by the twitter handle? Don't John Boy y came out with a video that shows this sequence and clearly demonstrates the banging I found the footage. Let's watch it here. We go there's the change up Bang Bang takes it. What watching that video? I probably should have been listed. John Boyega work for us but in any case it definitely demonstrates what happened and farquars open about about it. Because he felt it was wrong he felt they were using video and he said at the time he wasn't surprised. But you wish the media had asked an after that game now in September game between the White Sox and Ashtrays. The white sox are out of contention. It's a minute maid park. There are not many people there any fork or I don't know exactly what any he pitched but it would have been somewhere between fifty eight. The writers are not sitting there locked in all the teddy far. They're probably just trying to get this story. Don or whatever but it's interesting that that incident. He recalled vividly. He was happy. Talk about it I think. Some of the Astra side would say that while this is something that is going on throughout baseball there only being called out by other teams for this because they happen to be successful. They happen to be winning and they happen to be unpopular as well and they've got a lot of people leave the organization who do not leave. Just throw a good terms. They've been in the middle of a number of controversy. The number of these signs dealing controversies. They are perceived to be a team that does not always follow the rules and pay attention to the ruler. Care about the rules. And we saw this with the Brandon. Bob Incidents according to sports illustrated Brandon Todman shouted at a group of female reporters in the clubhouse quote. Thank God we got a SUNA. I'm so glad we. They reacted actor that they immediately sided with their employees who had verbally attacked three female reporters evenly at Leiden him and they didn't do an investigation. Gatien they just assumed he was telling the truth and we'll be fine. He's telling us the truth and everything's OK well. Everything was not OK. So these two things that we're talking about Todman and our story completely unrelated as far as we know but our understanding is baseball said in the statement. They released us that they're going to determine what the necessary next step will be and they are expected elected to bring in Tomlin for an interview and once they do that I imagined they can ask him anything they want right. I mean these. These two incidents are on their face on related. But they're having a lot of questions Christians about you know the culture at the Astros and He investigation that will come from. The Taliban thing will likely address address. Some of these things that you and Evan have reported the investigation of the Tomlin thing centers around the astros culture. It's not on top and the behavior that's been established what it was but what baseball wants to know is more about their culture and it's not just the story it's been allegations and rumors and reports over the years. Here's that they've been doing things. Baseball is going to talk to. Carne employee's is our expectation former employees. And we'll see where it goes right and can can you just just tell us a little about your your sourcing on this. You had one former astro still occur in active player. Go on the record and talk to you. Yes his name. Is Mike Fires. He he pitch for the Astros from two thousand fifteen two thousand seventeen day. Non tendered him after that which means they did not offering a contract he moved onto the Detroit Troy Tigers and then was traded to the Oakland A.'s. And what he told us was that he told both of his new teams join them. I The tigers then the as what the Astros were doing at minute maid park also played at minute maid Park Their Home Stadium and he warned them and one reason he warned him and this had not occurred to me the four I spoke to him. He felt young pitchers in particular. Did Not know this was happening. Could not guard against it and and what happens to them they get bob by the Astros. They get sent to the minor leagues and he felt it was hurting the careers of these guys so he felt compelled not competitive. Reasons obviously wants his team to do as well as a can but also because of what was happening to younger players who were not necessarily the savvy to all this told him and he is quoted in the article saying what the Astros were doing. You know it was a part of it in two thousand seventeen. That's not baseball. And they went up and beyond where you should go ahead and it hasn't even been young pitchers that have been burned by this. I mean seen a lot of the conversation now is you know. Remember what happened to Yu. Darvish when the dodgers face the astor's twenty seventeen and he got lit up by the Astros double. Dave Roberts is trying to figure out how much longer can stay with Darva. The star and certainly eyebrows have been raised at other times. Now whether this happened to Darvish on the road in game seven is certainly open to debate. He actually on twitter today. I was not good that day. It's the story the actually use the word that the more colorful than that and I don't know where we are standards used even though it's not that bad a word so whether it happened that particular night it doesn't seem to be the case but it's not just young pitchers throwing the any pitcher who's not aware that his time might be getting stolen he could be vulnerable. The lead is brought to you by Roman everyone struggles with something and surprise surprise. We aren't always good at talking about those struggles. Maybe for you Eddie is one of those things but with Roman. EDS easy to talk about out with a real doctor who can prescribe a real medication. It's simple safe and totally discreet. With Roman you can get a free online evaluation in ongoing care here for ED. 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It released us that there were complaints from a lot of teams about a lot of other teams and they were hearing all kinds of stuff stuff. They took it upon themselves to require a few different things. One was an eight second delay in all feeds in the Ballpark so the team could not look at what was going on and live and decode immediately in that real time sense also. There were additional personnel stationed in video rooms major league baseball officials so that if teams engage agan those mlb people could see that firsthand and even dugouts in the postseason or personnel. He'll it'll be so they did take the measures and yet there is still a feeling among many in the sport this stuff goes on. And what's what's the Astros reaction been to this. They came out with a statement essentially saying that they're going to conduct an investigation in conjunction with MLB and basically basically go forward that way now. What they said was regarding the story posted by the athletic? The Astros Organization has begun investigation in cooperation. With Major League Baseball. It would not be appropriate to comment further on the matter at this time. Their General Manager Jeff Lewis spoke to reporters and said essentially that but he also said that. I don't believe there are two thousand seven world series titles should be tarnished reason. We won the world series in two thousand. Seventeen is Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman. And Joseph Berliner a lot of great layers ears and they do things the right way and we as an organization. That's what we aspire to do as well as you mentioned sign. Stealing has been a part of baseball for a a century and even electron exiled stealing while against the rules has been suspended from other teams. I didn't have an didn't have enough to report which teams teams were doing. Exactly what but this is not simply an astros issue now how far and how extensive it goes with other teams that. I don't know exactly for sure. We're but teams have accused each other. That's going to two thousand seventeen. The Yankees and red sox had the apple-watching feud is entering the digital age with the Yankees accusing using the socks of using an apple. Watch to help steal and relay their catcher hand signals. The Red Sox ultimately refined by Major League Baseball for use of of an Apple Watch in illicit way and that is the last time. A team has been penalized for this kind of conduct. The Yankees were fine to at that time but for another are Kinda thing and last year in the playoffs there was the situation with the Indians in the Astros where the astros were kind of engaging counter surveillance the reigning world series. He's champs are accused of possibly having a mole next to the Indian's dugout. The man in question was removed several times for taking pictures and texting and now the train and the Indian cried foul and it never really got anywhere but it was a big incident at the time so this has been going on. Yes and some of the Astros I don't but not there are other teams that are suspected. You've heard everything from the man in center field with the white shirt signaling somehow And and using technology to do that to a camera in Centerfield with an ipad attached with the ipad breaking down a pitchers grips uh-huh to determine whether he is tipping and then that information being conveyed all kinds of talk all kinds of suspicion. It's tough tougher. Baseball spoke prove as one person points out in the article in part because if you come forward an accuser team well maybe your own hands dirty. And that's the problem right. Can you just tell us in twenty seventeen from the people that you talk to you. How open this was at the Astros that people were talking about it or doing this openly in within the team the team open it was? I can't say for sure because I wasn't there wasn't in it but as we reported it was certainly discussed internally discussed among players among different personnel uniform. It was a tough topic because it was being employed. It's just the most being employed you know you talk to a manager and he basically said that this was an issue that permeates the whole league and that the League has done a poor job of policing this so in the course of this investigation. And I'm not asking you to speculate on what the League will do but what could come out of this investigation. I'm not sure we know that the red sox were find in two thousand seventeen into the apple. Watch so I imagine if they found the Astros committed wrongdoing that baseball could issue a fine to them. I don't know that it would go any further than that that but we don't know necessarily all the details here. How far up the chain? It went as far as new Federa so yet. Tough to speculate because you just don't know where the responsibility lies what they're going to find out anything if anything will even come of this but we have seen a fine levied in the case of the Red Sox and we'll just have to see and monitor what happens here all right. Well Ken Rosenthal thank you so much for your time. I'm in for your reporting on this. You can read Ken. Rosenthal and Evan. Drellich exclusive report at the Athletic Lettuce. Dot Com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead. The Latest College Football playoff rankings are out and LSU is the nation's new the number one team after going into Tuscaloosa on Saturday and taking down the Alabama Crimson tide. Ohio state fell one spot to number two followed by Clemson at three and Georgia at four Alabama slipped to number five but still have an outside shot at a playoff spot. The biggest mover in the rankings was Minnesota who jumped all the way from seventeenth seventeenth to eighth after shocking then number. Four Penn State on Saturday in one of the biggest upsets in recent college basketball history top ranked Kentucky. We lost at home to unranked Evansville on Tuesday night Evansville which had never beaten a number one team entered the game as twenty five point underdog. The wind was was particularly sweet for Purple Aces coach. Walter McCarty who starred for the Ninety six Kentucky team that won a national title and Could Colin Kaffir. Nick return to the NFL. The thirty two year old free agent is participating in a private workout this weekend organized by the NFL. All interested teams are invited to watch and evaluate his readiness Kapernick. Who says he's mentally and physically prepared to play has not appeared in an NFL game? Since two thousand sixteen and but teams have reportedly inquired about his football readiness this season in February kapernick settled a grievance against the NFL after claiming owners colluded to keep him out of the League for kneeling during the national anthem. If you like our show please give us a five star rating and tell your friend subscribe. Were available on Apple. PODCAST spotify stitcher and every major listening APP as well as wondering dot com from wondering athletic. I'm could be the Davidson and I'm under SCELZO. See You tomorrow.
Saints Cant Catch A Break
"The in last season's NFL playoffs as every football fan remembers the New Orleans Ellen Saints were on the verge of trip to the Super Bowl question brings that Nan the one of the worst calls in sports history. That's going crazy as there's no flag right on a suicide law it was all anyone could talk about for days. Bad call that had saints fans screaming last night glaring case of pass interference one of the most obvious. Vs Case you'll ever see and it wasn't analyze and it led to an unprecedented response from saints fans billboards boycotts federal lawsuits against against the NFL including reports of a possible class action lawsuit against the NFL filed by people who lost big money betting on the saints the issue even ended up on on the floor of the US Senate. The state of Louisiana is outraged because of what happened in the Superdome last Sunday yesterday the teams met in a highly anticipated rematch and once again. The saints were on the wrong end of a bad call. This should have been a touchdown touchdown for the New Orleans Saints Today. We're going to talk with the athletics. Larry holder a football columnist who lives in New Orleans about saints fans epic quest for justice after last season's blown call and we'll hear from saints fans at yesterday's game who let's just say we're not feeling great outfielder the jacket and I'm thinking you know we can't catch a good call from wondering on the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson and I'm unders Kelco. It's Monday subdued sixteenth and this is the leave it felt like something great emotion shing and those in the past because God was not good. This isn't a story career. It stays with you. Today's Today's episode is brought to you by the new film from Twentieth Century Fox Ad Astra Brad Pitt Stars Roy McBride an astronaut on a mission to find his his missing father traveling to the outer edges of the solar system he unravels a mystery that threatens the survival of our planet and uncover secrets that challenge the nature of human human existence in our place in the cosmos Ad Astra in Theaters September twentieth. The fate of humanity depends on one man either. What's at bonders well before we we get started. This is the very first episode of the League and since you and I are the hosts. I thought maybe we should just quickly explain what the show is so. The lead is the show. I always wish existed. I'm a sports writer but I was a sports fan. I and it's really all about great stories great stories from great sports reporters who are all over the country. I mean these are journalists who live in these cities and no these teams and new these players where you don't have to to be a fan of those teams or those players to care about these stories for example in this first episode you talk to Larry Holder who has covered the New Orleans saints for Almost fifteen in years about why that terrible call last season provoked such an unprecedented response yeah and it really helped me to understand why why saints fans did what they did and why fans at yesterday's game were so demoralized. It's really something anyone can identify with so. Should we get to the story. Let's go for it so Larry. Let's start with a very basic question. How important is football is the game of football to the city of New Orleans. I'll just put it to you this way win. Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans August two thousand and five and of course everyone is recovering from the storm. People are literally taking their FEMA checks to by saint season tickets gets. That's how important the saints are to this community and I'd say without the saints returning to the city at that point. I don't think the city would have ever actually actually rebounded so I would say unlike many if any NFL fan base within the League all right so let's go back to this incredible no call its last year's. NFC Championship game the saints in the Rams are tied in the fourth quarter and the saints look like they're about to score and and book a trip to the super bowl walk us through what happens next. Tommy Lee Lewis who is really kind of an unknown receiver within the saints receiving core. He's not one of their top targets. He's basically running free down the sideline breeze. NICKELL robey Coleman in absolute desperation in flies basically headfirst into Tommy Lewis as drew brees has a perfect pass incomplete. No flagged Tommy Lee Lewis to officials are looking at each other. One looks like he's about to take the flag out and throw it a second one basically says no no no and it's not pass interference or a helmet to helmet call which is also of course you legal in the NFL and the play just goes on so you're you're in the stadium when this happens in. How does the crowd react? It was utter a gas crowd's going crazy as there's no flag right on the state sideline and then of course the replay a they put it up in the on the big screens in the superdome and everyone loses their minds he all he was doing was was staring down. Lewis and just playing the made and you add it all together and it became a complete and utter debacle the rams get the ball back. The Saints Defense is probably a little bit in Shell Shock. The rams drive down the field. They kick a field goal. Send it to overtime overtime the saints. Get the ball first in overtime drew brees hit throws interception which means when the rams get the ball back. All they've got to do is kick a field goal. We'll check is god Ram's on the Super Bowl fifty three they go it was the first time probably in my professional career where I entered a locker room and I was angry for the team that I was covering covering well so you know people always complain about refs decisions and calls and you know it's always very hyperbolic. The worst call in sports history was this it's actually the worst call in sports history instead of using hyperbole and saying it's the worst call I would lump maybe five calls that were historically terrible arable in the realm of sports and that one's in there it's normal to be bombed when you're a fan about your team losing especially in in such dramatic fashion then but saints fans seem to have gone way above and beyond just calling into their local talk show angrily right what what was their reaction after the game even in the in the weeks following well start off with the immediate aftermath say right after the game is over the NFL admitted they messed up head coach. Sean Payton now saying the NFL told him the rest quote blew the call the NFL admitted now they admitted it to Sean Payton. They didn't come out and say oh my Gosh Roger Goodell jusque. Ask had like a mini press conference and said this was wrong. Roger Goodell not coming out and owning it publicly. I think that kind of boiled into you. This anger and fury essays got today and it's terrible. It's terrible call terrible. They should be fired. All refs awful worst. Call ever come are you. It was a lesser woman. I would say something a little meaner them. There's all this anger and it manifests in billboards throughout the city and and boycotts thoughts and parades you know where you at any of those events I actually did a basically an odyssey of going to several events and it was is this big giant HOOPLA party and it had to do with absolutely not watching the Super Bowl ignore that the super bowl was even existing and this was on Super Football Sunday. Yes this is on Super Bowl Sunday. I in fact I started at a jazz funeral that was at the riverfront at the foot of Canal Street. Then I went to another block party that was on magazine Street of course a very famous street New Orleans police blocked it off if they had skits where people were dancing dressed as referees doing this and that anything to take away from the NFL just waiting on the Super Bowl. I think that was part of it. We'll so this is all happening on Super Bowl Sunday and it doesn't end there this actually turns into legal action. New Orleans Saints Season Ticket holders hitting the NFL with a lawsuit those ticket holders say the NFL is wrong by not acting in the commissioner should have done something but the NFL the initial lawsuit was basically claiming that the saints should should be allowed and the NFL should allow the saints in the Rams to replay the game or replay it from that point but even the saints the organization that was totally screwed by this whole thing they have even come out and said no we're with the NFL on this well in Saint have joined the NFL NFL and asking that the Louisiana Supreme Court rule against Saints Fans and the Nolan No call lawsuit. I think that's Kinda telling point. Look we understand how much you're angry about this but we've got to move on this goes a lot farther than just a few frivolous lawsuits this goes oddly all the way to the the US Senate my colleague and the House of Representative is calling for the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to come testify in front of Congress on the travesty that occurred heard five days ago first of all who is Senator Bill Cassidy who spoke about this on the Senate floor Cassidy's in his first term as a senator her and of course he's Louisiana's certainly a republican state and maybe he wants to make a name for himself. I don't know I I wish I knew because I think colossal waste of time a colossal waste of time now every drug sitting on a stool in every bar throughout the nation looked up at that ATV and said there's an affair the the lead is brought to you by Ziprecruiter Cafe alturas. 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D. ziprecruiter dot com slash the lead ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire today's episode is brought to you by the new film from Twentieth Century Fox Ad Astra Brad Pitt Stars is Roy McBride an astronaut on a mission to find his missing father traveling to the end of the universe he unravels a mystery that threatens the survival of our planet Senate and uncovers secrets that challenge the nature of human existence in our place in the cosmos Ad Astra in Theaters September twentieth the fate of humanity. It depends on one man well at the top of the conversation. You know you talked about the passion of New Orleans fans especially starting right after Hurricane Katrina. You know it's a town of fighters and survivors in the most underdog of circumstances is that is that part of what's going on here with these lawsuits and these boycotts and this continued push pushed to seek justice people I can I can understand around the country grow tiresome of Hurricane Katrina survivors using any means they can to get help as the mayor of New Orleans says thousands may be dead in this city the president confirmed late today. It will take years to recover from this. It was such a dramatic experience and catastrophe for the city is also spurred a dramatic turnaround for this city in many aspects becks but they also are feel like they're famous for being resourceful and being scrappy and that they see the saints in almost a similar light and they want to fight to protect their scrappy saints team and that scrapping has been rewarded in some way right. I mean the fans did get some. I'm kind of justice the NFL actually changed its rules in Arizona Tuesday at the NFL owners meeting. They did what many said could not be done. Convince at least seventy seventy five percent of team owners to put a flag on the field when refs miss a pass interference foul they added pass interference to the realm of a challengeable call say if someone commits pass interference and the coach doesn't agree with it they can throw a challenge flag and say. I don't agree with it. Go take a look at it. That was never a challengeable enjoyable thing before. There was just a judgment call. What also was added to it was. If there was a pass interference penalty that in the coaches is was not calm uh-huh they can challenge that and it's really you know you can't overstate how difficult it is to get the NFL to change its rules this happened very quickly quickly and as a direct result of of this no call in the Saints Rams Game. Yes Roger Goodell in the NFL knew that this overtook the super bowl all this year. No one was talking about Patriots Rams. Everyone was talking about the Nolan no call because it was so blatant and so obvious and just show you how far we've come. Sean Payton and Roger Goodell worked basically hand in hand to kind of push this rule through you would have never seen that what six years ago but they knew how big of a catastrophe this was in a public relations hit and would hurt the integrity of the game that they had to do something dramatic and it's important to note that this vote did pass as a trial one year rule in order to make the change permanent the owners will have to vote on it again in in twenty twenty you know we're we're an age where we have so much video replay and so much instant replay and it's it becomes increasingly more difficult to accept except bad calls. You know what what role does. The advent of video replay have on our expectations saints fans expectations to get the call right. I think it's huge. I mean you look at an people refer to this all the time that in tennis they have Hawkeye and why can't can't football have something like that when it's such a huge game in the realm of sports in this country and I think people want to see more of that in the NFL. It's almost like they want to take the human element out of it. I think people expect everything to be correct. Would there have been and anything the NFL could have done anything to come out of these lawsuits or the US Senate that would make saints fans happy. Somehow they tear up to NFL rulebook and replay the game and let the Saints Win. That's I mean that's that's it. There's no other way to to put this but still there is nothing that's going to take away the pain and the injustice. I will admit it. It was awful awful awful me personally in covering sports. I've never seen any worse call. He look we're journalists right. We're not supposed to have these feelings and that sort of thing. If I feel that way imagine just someone who just lives in Die Saints Diets and that's so many people within this community uh so Kavita they didn't replay last year's game but the teams met again yesterday here in Los Angeles in week. Two of the new season and and saints fans were hoping for revenge it sure were but they did not get it right in fact the saints were on the wrong side of another bad call by the refs toward so basically rams quarterback jared Goff fumbles the ball and Saints Defensive End Cam Jordan pick it up and runs eighty seven yards for a touchdown and slam dunks the ball through the upper. That's right but it turns out the referee career had already blown the whistle and called an incomplete pass incomplete pass bloated dead Jordan's down the sideline all complete pass no fumble right and then they review the play and confirmed that it was a fumble fumble. It's not an incomplete in complete pass. It didn't look like it was that close by saying incomplete past the fluid dead but because they had already blown the whistle the touchdown didn't in count and let's be clear this should have been a touchdown for the New Orleans Saints and because of the call it was made by the official they get the ball they don't get the touchdown and the saints on the short end of another call yet again going back who championship game that's when to add injury to insult saints quarterback her back drew brees left the game with thumb injury and didn't return and so after the game we spoke with some saints fans and it seemed like this game is really going to stick stick with them for a while jacket and I'm thinking you know way. We can't catch good call. You came all the way from Louisiana for the New Orleans. Yes I did. La La yes just for the game. That's why I came. I was ready for our big comeback from last year's game. We will never forget every week. It's something else we just gotTa. Get used the bill with the rest. That's just what it is to be. Saints Fan now matter what no matter what the final score Rams twenty-seven The saints nine here are the other stories. We're following add the lead. The Best Player in baseball is out for the season. Mike Trout was having another. MVP caliber year for the angels but will now need season ending surgery on his foot. That's on top of the angels losing two two way phenom. SHOHEI OHTANI WHO's also out for the season after having knee surgery on Friday and just days after being accused of rape and sexual assault and Tonio Brown made his debut with the New England Patriots yesterday on Tomorrow's episode we'll dive into the Antonio Brown Saga and the NFL's history of handling handling players accused of violence against women so that's it. The very first episode of the lead new episodes will come out every weekday morning. If you like our show take a second and give us a five star rating and review on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever every you're listening right now. I'm the Davidson and I'm under SCELZO and we'll be back tomorrow.
Is This The NFL's #MeToo Moment?
"Before we begin just a quick heads up. This episode contains discussions of sexual harassment and might be uncomfortable for some listeners, and in the interest of disclosure, one of the women involved in this story is a colleague of ours at the athletic. All Right, here's the story. The Washington football franchise has had quite the week starting with a name change, and now a Washington Post article, alleging sexual harassment and verbal abuse. Last week. The Washington Post published a highly anticipated report about the experiences of more than a dozen women working for and within the Washington NFL team today, the Lindsay Jones joins us to discuss what that report revealed, and what it means for the future of the franchise and the League I'm wondering if this story will spark kind of meet you reckoning within the NFL. From wondering and the Athletic I'm utter skelter and I'm Cathy Davidson. It's Monday July, twentieth and this is the lead. It felt like something was. Is something about the emotion and. Traffic. and. This isn't A. The APP. It stays with. Cindy, can you give us a sense of the build up to the publication of this report? So there's been a lot of drama swirling around the Washington football team, but suddenly started to get all of these dots that you could start connecting. There's a lot going on within the front office. That really doesn't add up firings in retirement in July in the NFL. Rarely happening tonight. We're! And we're too high level personnel executives who were abruptly fired and Alex Santos in Richard. Man were fire. No reason was given as to why they were fired. Then today, longtime radio announcer for the Washington football club Larry Michael announcing his retirement, he spent sixteen years with the team, the man who had been there the radio voice, he abruptly retired without any sort of official comment from the team, and he started to hear this buzz rumors flying about a potential bombshell report on Washington's football team and owner Dan Snyder. This is absolutely taken over social media with speculation running rampant then by Thursday afternoon. The Washington Post dropped the story. There fifteen women who went on the record, alleging widespread sexual harassment within the Washington football organization that spanned just about Daniel Snyder entire time that he is owned the team, so these were women who works across the organization in marketing and ticketing and finance in there were also two female reporters, one who formerly covered the team for the Washington Times and Rianne and Walker our colleague from the athletic, who also went on the record to accuse one of the men who had? had been fired of sexual harassment as well. It was the sprawling account as you mentioned fifteen women accusing sexual harassment in Washington. Can you summarize some of those accusations? Yes, so it was a lot of the very classic cases of sexual harassment things from making lewd comments about women's bodies about their breasts about their rear ends about the the clothes they were wearing to very overt sexual comments, propositioning requests to go on dates, just a lot of overall inappropriate workplace behavior. Behavior from superiors directed at female employees, and it did not seem to be a secret. Some of these women who went on the record with the Washington, post talked about how the other people who worked in the organization knew about it. They talked about it amongst themselves. There were places in the building where women were advised not to go. Specifically, there was a stairwell that had basically transparent stairs and women were told. Do not go there because there were men who. Who would stand underneath that and look up? Their female colleagues skirts all of these things that are blatantly inappropriate and wrong and workplace environment, but had been persisting for more than a decade, all fifteen of these women went on the record, but one of the few who allowed her name to be published is a woman named Emily applegate. What was her experience like working inside the Washington Organization? It was miserable it really most people know times a comment on my appearin. Screaming at you for something that you, it's not your fault. And then somebody makes a comment to you about what you're wearing and it just snowballs from there. she cried at work regularly, she felt belittled, imagined us being called stupid on a daily basis, and then also almost in the same breath being hit on for your appearance. It's a miserable work experience. Experience to the point where she no longer wanted to work there anymore and no longer even wanted to work in sports, and we should note that Emily applegate's former boss Mitch Gershman who was the team CEO at the time both denied and said he didn't recall conversations referenced by Applegate, telling The Washington Post quote I can't comment on something I can't remember. But Lindsay what actions has the team taken in response to these accusations from emily applegate, and the many other women, well many of the men who were accused in this story, all ready been fired, and we're kind of fired in the process of the Washington Post. Reporting this story, the team can say that has taken measures to address this because some of these accusations date back to the early to mid two thousands, so some of these people no longer actually work with the team and then some of the people. People that had new allegations have immediately been fired or left the team. They've started their own investigation. They hired an attorney Beth Wilkinson. The name might sound familiar over the last several years. Wilkinson took part in notable cases involving Hillary. Clinton Brett Cavenaugh and Michael Flynn and she told us we can confirm that our firm was retained by the team to do an independent review of the team's culture policies and allegations of workplace, misconduct and Daniel. Snyder and his wife sent an internal email to everybody who works organization to. To apologize for the culture, the statement saying in part, the behavior described in yesterday's Washington Post. Article has no place in our franchise or society. The story has strengthened my commitment to setting a new culture and standard for our team, but without specific apologies to any of the employees into these women, and there have also not been any public apologies to the two female reporters who were not team employees. The team has not publicly addressed them as well and to be clear Lindsey none of the fifteen women who came. Came forward directly accused owner Dan Snyder of sexual harassment, but they don't exactly think his hands are clean. Yes, I mean, there were no direct accusations against Daniel, Snyder or Bruce Allen the former team president. Who is Daniel Snyder as top assistant? Before he left the organization but Emily applegate spoke about how she cried regularly at work and other employees specifically Bruce Allin, saw her I sat right outside of resounds office. A did a few things for him and I know for a fact that he had to have heard. What was going on? You see somebody outside your office crying at her desk or even a leaving his office crying because I was belittled in front of a group of executives, so he definitely knew something was happening. This is not a happy place to work. There's been an extensive amount of turnover within that team within the front office in recent years and one of the stories that was detailed in The Washington Post article was that Daniel? Snyder would belittle a male employees because he. He had been a cheerleader previously. So this is not something that was necessarily exclusive to women being harassed, but rather that it was a toxic work environment all the way from the top down, and that was something that Daniel Snyder both put into place and perpetuated himself I. Mean I think it starts from the top, and it trickles down so these are people that he hired. These are people that he let run his organization, so if you're allowing this kind of behavior to happen. It's not a good look for you. One of the things that emily applegate, and a couple of the other women in in the story said was that they were overtly encouraged by their bosses to wear revealing clothing, or where tight clothing when meeting with perspective clients. This isn't the first time that the Washington organization has been accused of sort of using women's sexuality to curry favor with clients. Can you walk us through the cheerleader scandal? Back in twenty, thousand eighteen, the New York Times wrote a pretty damning story about the Washington football team, specifically involving the treatment of its cheerleaders, and the pieces of the story were pretty disgusting. Roping on wanted kisses, even being told I hope you get raped. It's all detailed in the article. They were flown to a foreign country for their calendar photo shoots. had their passports taken away when they got there during the trip to Costa Rica? Back in two thousand thirteen, some of the cheerleaders were required to pose topless at an adult only resort, while spectators invited by the team watched on the article also claims that nine of these women were forced to service escorts with no sex involved at. At a nightclub event there for some of the teams, male sponsors get dressed nicely, probably wearing revealing clothing, and show these sponsors, these men who spent a lot of money and pay a lot of money for our football team, a really good time not to mention. The squad wasn't paid for this trip. Except for the travel lodging and food expenses new, these are really disgusting allegations and you know. The kind of fell on deaf ears. Because you know here, we are two years later and clearly this toxic culture, and the way that the Washington football team treats women who work for the team and work around. The team really has not changed at all. There's been some speculation in some calls for Daniel Snyder to sell the team or be removed as owner. I think a lot of people look at the cheerleader scandal and think while that maybe should have been enough to remove Snyder's owner or result in significant discipline, and it just wasn't so. Is it fair to ask whether this latest report is enough to lead to Snyder's removal? There was so much buzz in the days before the Washington Post story, but there was this expectation of Oh. Here's going to be the smoking gun. That's GONNA. Force Daniel Snyder to sell and I don't think that you know unfortunately widespread sexual harassment throughout the organization is something that will force him to sell the statements that he has made sense both publicly, and internally gave every indication that he plans to maintain ownership of. Of the team there are mechanisms in place through the NFL bylaws where the League and Roger Goodell and the fellow owners could force the removal of the organization from Him I. Don't believe that is something that we should expect to happen. You know we'll see what the results of this internal investigation, and that's going to be led by a lawyer that the team has hired with those reference, but the fact that there were no direct allegations against Daniel Snyder. I think that's a sign that we shouldn't expect the story to lead to that sort of massive change in terms of hen selling team I. Think the one comparable situation that you could you would look to is the Carolina Panthers. Just hours after I broke the news detailing allegations of sexual harassment and racist behavior involving Jerry Richardson. Caroline Panthers owner then announced he is selling the team at the end of the season, a lot of different abuse allegations of harassment allegations, but many of them were levied directly against Jerry Richardson and he almost immediately. 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So my initial reaction when I read The Washington Post story on Thursday afternoon. was that not a single word of it was surprising I was disgusted I was sad I was really angry, but I was not surprised because I've been covering the NFL for thirteen years, and I've heard countless. Countless stories like this from women who both worked for teams, and then women like me who report on the NFL and other sports so I think the situation in Washington is especially toxic, and that starts at the top. It's because of the culture that Dana Snyder has created and fostered there, but it is hardly isolated i. personally have experienced similar things to what the to really brave female reporters who went on the record with Washington Post, what? What they experienced. My female colleagues have gone through similar things I. Hope that people who read The Washington, Post Story. Don't look at that and say Oh, that's just Washington Washington is is a mess and yes. Washington is a mess for a multitude of reasons, but they're hardly the only team in professional sports who've allowed the sort of culture to fester. Can you talk about the specific challenges that journalists face when dealing with harassment and covering these? These teams you know when you cover the NFL or some of these other professional sports, but specific to the NFL a lot of the news gathering, and the networking goes on at these league wide events. It's places like the NFL Scouting Combine Indianapolis Senior. Bowl in Mobile Alabama and at these events there's actual football stuff in meetings that happen, but much of the networking happens at bars. Had happens after hours. It's late night. There's a lot of. involved. There's a lot of men from across the League whether that's coaches, scouts agents male reporters, who kind of treat, these events like a Bachelor Party and a lot of the the ways that you network. It's about going to have a drink with somebody exchanging phone numbers. It's trying to gather phone numbers, and this is exceptionally challenging for women, and that's something that I think. A lot of male colleagues don't necessarily understand that women can't just go have a drink with a source the way that they do. We have to think about what what am I wearing? How am I talking? What time I sending this text. What time are responding to this text? What was the tone of this message? Those are things that we think about every single day when we're in the course of doing our job and and our colleague, Ryan and Walker she wrote a first person piece for the athletic on Friday, and in that piece she laid out why the harassment that she experienced from Alexandra does not combine was not just a one off, but it was something that had. Long lasting implications, because no longer 'cause she use him or did she feel like she could use? As a source, and there's not a single man on that beat that didn't feel like he could use Alexandra's a source, and there was a line in herpes where she said that she played small during free agency that year as a direct result of harassment she faced, and that just broke my heart, and I hope every one of our male colleagues read that Peterson understood why my ability reactions ability. All of our female colleagues effects our abilities to do our job in. In the same way as our male colleagues can the Jerry Richardson case happened in two thousand seventeen, just as the metoo movement was really starting to gain steam. We saw Jerry Richardson. We've seen rampant abuse in USA gymnastics, and some of the amateur and college levels of sports, but largely front offices and pro teams have escaped this. Why do you think we haven't really seen a widespread metoo? Movement and sports yet you know I've wondered. I've had this very same question. You. Know I wish I had a really good answer. I think part of it is that it takes women being very brave to come forward and tell their stories on the record to put faces and voices and names to all of this, and that hasn't truly happened in the NFL and across professional sports on large scales. My sense is that overall as a league. I still don't believe they really see it as a problem and that they truly care I. Know Multiple Investigations that have happened where nothing happens, you know the the investigations conclude they wrap up. The guys get other jobs. Detailed Shannon Walker detailed. Where basically she got kind of progressing apology, and then they continue to go about their business and Alexandra's was fired from Washington until the story by The Washington Post. I guess my question now and I'm wondering if this story will spark kind of metoo reckoning within the NFL. Will other reporters be brave to tell their stories publicly like reaction in Seattle were. Women who are GonNa be braved come forward. That worked for other teams just like Emily applegate was. I understand a lot of my former co workers that are still in the industry. You know they don't WanNa. Come forward, or it's just not a right time for them, but for me. It was a really easy decision I. Want to be able to make some kind of change and I can't do that unless I just put it all out there. Maybe now people paying a little bit more attention and maybe I'll change. Lindsey. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks so much for having me. You can follow Lindsey Jones's coverage of the NFL and listened to her podcast. The NFL power rankings PODCAST at the athletic. Dot Com. From wondering and the athletic I'm could beat the Davidson see tomorrow. The car is packed. The kids are all buckled in, and it is time for the family road trip, and we have just the thing to keep you and your kids entertained wonder. He's family road trip playlist on spotify is full of episodes of some of our most beloved family. 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