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BOX158: Ghosts Who Wear Corduroy

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BOX158: Ghosts Who Wear Corduroy

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It's part of your premiums subscription so it's a great way to support the box of oddities when you subscribe to the premium content content on the Himalayas APP and you get some stuff ad free episodes episodes drop a day early for US bonus episode owed says we mentioned and during this bonus episode we had some news that we shared all it was new. It was news. WE'RE GONNA share it with you now and it's important. It's dog related you guys so you might remember a few episodes ago we had their. DNA testing done we sent out Willie's DNA and we got the results back and then we thought well this is really cool. Let's let's get banjos done as well so we did and we got the results assaults back so we're scrolling through banjos results and one of the things one of the features of the embark test is it shows you the other people people who are the other dogs whose DNA is listed in their system that have DNA match to your dog so like we saw Willie had a forty eight percent match to iota and a forty eight percent match to Mr Meatloaf in that's equivalent to a human relationship like a parent or a sibling so then we got banjos. DNA results back and we're scrolling through again and of course my favorite part is seeing the animals that are related to the pops because I get to compare how much they look like them be like Oh. This one looks just like Willie right among his brother and then I freak out and crime so when we're scrolling through banjos relatives we noticed Mr Meatloaf but it looked familiar rush it did and so I went back to Willie's results and Willie had relative named Mr Meatloaf. It's the same Nestor Meatloaf that they're both related to well not just Mr Meatloaf. There were like four or five zero four or five dollars so what we determined was the Willie Willie who came from Arizona and Banjo who came from Maine share family from the Wisconsin Illinois Area Wisconsin Slash Illinois their cousin bears the they're related and not just distant relatives. They're very closely related again like parent sibling type of relationship relationship. It's crazy well if their parents sibling with Mr Meatloaf then Mr Meatloaf was parents sibling too so it would be more really cousins. Some parents siblings okay. There's a there's an extra degree there. There's an extra will smith which by the way is another unit of measurement here on the box of oddities grilled grilled cheese sandwiches and will Smith's so that's the big reveal is that through Dan through DNA testing. We have determined that William Banjo are related even though they came from the complete opposite sides of the country anyway so just take a moment and sit down. Catch your breath after that news and cats going to tell you you a story. Oh okay so I wanNA talk today about Catherine Smith also known as Kitty Smith. She was born into you a Chicago. Family October twenty nine eighteen eighty to her mother and father were English people but her father I became a naturalized citizen of the US in eighteen eighty two. She had two older brothers and a younger sister emily so at the age of nine. Kitty's mother suddenly passed away and she was left in the care of her father and her father was not doing great he was having having a real hard time keeping one his temper in line and to his drinking to a minimum so drinking and temper right so often when they go hand in hand for for real now there are conflicting reports about what happened on. Thanksgiving Day eighteen ninety one neighbors reported that that Kitty had refused to do the housework that was left after her mother had died or she wasn't doing it to her father's specifications specifications Jimmy right right so her father beat her and then held her hands to lift stove until her hands and arms were burned so badly that they had to be amputated. Oh my God how old was she. Nine nine years old now Luder reports show that Kitty stated that what had happened was she was sent to the store to get booze for her father and she had tried a little herself and then when she was filling the stove the heat plus the booze to a nine year old body led her to pass out into to the fire so she was covering for her father. It could have been either way. I don't know physicians and surgeons said that the bones of her hands and arms were so badly burned. They amputated three inches from the shoulders. I mean you would have to leave your arms in an open fire for an extended period of time even crematory ovens. They have to bust the bones up with a hammer holy crap. I mean that's not saying that. Her bones burned down to dust. Just you know frame of Reference Okay. Yeah so the Humane Society of Illinois took took the matter up and arrested Kitty's father after a trial he was held the grand jury and the final trial in the spring of eighteen ninety you too. He was acquitted for lack of evidence so main society the people you adopt puppies and kittens from now. I don't know I think at that they they may have been connected at one point. I'm not sure sounds like maybe her father should have been neutered. I mean I think that that's the case for a lot of people but every time I suggest that people get all weird airborne birth control Emma right anyway so but she also had burns on her neck and her chest but they weren't that serious she was discharged from the hospital in February of eighteen ninety two. Oh so I mean that's four months in a hospital. Can you became a ward of the Children's Home Society of Illinois for several years specifically specifically living in the home for destitute and crippled children and it was there that one of the doctors Mr Greg took an interest in the story surrounding rounding her and as this time rolled around Kitty's father had waived any rights to her so the doctor created a an Education Fund for her it was called the Kitty Smith Fund and it proved to be six. S and donations allowed the doctor to bring in specialized staff to teach now armless Katie how to use her feet to accomplish specific tasks. They didn't call her armless. Katie they did knox walks cruel however even by nineteenth century standards when I was searching the web for her Kitty Smith Armless. I'm Lou wonder was how I found her so I mean it's not that far off so kitty became very skilled in writing with her feet she also I loved to draw and paint she could also play piano she could type she had embroidery skills and the Fund Soup Sup- I know like I can't embroider with my hands so she left in eighteen ninety six and that fund helped support court her it paid for her board when she moved to Wisconsin to attend public school it said that during her time in the home and in in school she saw people who she felt were far worse off than she was and she was grateful for what she had and the people who had supported reported her through her life so she had kind of this boundless gratitude and sweetness to her even though she had a lot of right eight to be angry so by nineteen o five kitties fund was exhausted and she was not eligible to draw from the state any longer her her family had all kinds of disbanded. Obviously her father was not in the picture and I think at this point he had died anyway. her brothers were low paid laborers brewers her sister had been adopted. She wasn't going to be of help to her. So Kitty resolved to support herself so she began to kind of humbly. Capitalize capitalize on her tragedy. She started selling drawings and pamphlets about her story. The pamphlets distributed were accompanied by I a return card. There was a little slot in the return card where you could put a quarter. If you wanted to help support her okay which is so clever and since she made these pamphlets on her own if Bri foot it was very inspiring what made and the optimism that she you showed and the determination it really did it got people engaged and they were happy to help and by one thousand nine hundred six she had amassed passed over thirty five thousand dollars in quarters. Yeah this chick was the real deal she wrote. I have never had a lesson in drawing or sketching acquiring the little knowledge I have on the subject by practice using a study which I place on the floor at the side of my drawing paper. I sharpened. Oh my pencils opening and closing the knife that I used to sharpen myself again. I have injured myself opening a knife with my hands and you've almost been arrested did it. Tsa A number of times right kitty was able to dress herself brush. Her teeth comb her hair. Do all those common tasks. She could also accomplish rush. Common household tasks sweeping mopping cleaning stoves etc amazingly. She could also play the piano as I said she could do semi-skilled skilled woodwork. She made bookcases desks and other furniture completely by herself. Wow beyond randolph. This kitties story moved people because of her attitude who she was so positive she was an optimist and she considered herself really really lucky in life so kid he founded the Kitty Smith company where she employed a bookkeeper. A stenographer and a dozen envelope stuffers are so and she she wanted to help kids with disabilities overcome the things that they were dealing with and she was using her story as a as a way to do that that she was kind of like a motivational speaker but she did not live in a van. Dome right largely by the tenacious and very persistent efforts efforts of Gracie Wilbur trout and her cohorts in one thousand nine hundred twelve through one thousand nine hundred thirteen on June twenty-sixth nineteen thirteen win then began being allowed to vote on presidential elections that scandaleuse as well as many other elections so in nineteen thirteen an estimated the two hundred fifty thousand women voted in Chicago with Kitty leading the way so kitty was the first woman to vote in Chicago Kogo and she did it with her feet. No that's amazing yeah so in a book she published She sold old reproductions of her drawings and embroidery all done with her feet is there is a photo of a quilt that she made all the pieces this is for which she cut and sewed herself and she wrote in that book toward those who've helped me in the past. My heart is filled filled with boundless gratitude and to you who helped me by buying this book I shall answer and say barely I say unto you inasmuch such as Ye have done it unto one of at least of these my brethren. Ye have done it unto me. She was just really great grateful. She he was grabbed. She was right full of Gratton. Yeah that's incredible anyway. That's the story of Kitty the Armless Dynamo who was the first woman to vote in Chicago so what else happened in her life. I mean you said she started her own company. Did that continued you to help people and yeah that's and that's how she made her living was by writing books and `and making art and showing people that you don't have to be bound by the parameters that typically we think you are. That's a remarkable story thought so and now it's not a very long one but I just thought she was so inspiring. I woke up this morning cranky because I slept on my hair wrong. I know and it was all on one side doing that. WHOO thing yeah and so how do I feel like a Douche as well. You should know that thing in the middle this thing in the middle weird wrong numbers that people have gotten number five. I got a wrong number. Actually it was a text one time time with a photo of a couple of little kids and it said something like just thought you'd want to see what your children look like. ooh number four. I get a few calls from several people looking for tickets to a Rodeo. One Guy called three times and on the third he said No. This is the right number the number three. You had an old guy call my family's house when I was in high school and before young up after explained he had the wrong number. He said you sound like a smart young a young fellow. Do you know anything about computers. I love it when old people call me smart young feller. That's what I want. My vanity plates say number two someone I'm was calling for a friend who had the same name as me. Neither of US could figure out what the hell was going on for a few minutes there I imagine that would be very confusing and number one my kid had called from his friend. Joe's house and said he wanted to stay there. After school and I agreed and then my kid walks in wrong kid wrong number. Sorry random kid. 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Dot Com slash oddities honey the smart shopping assistant that saves you time and money when you're shopping online. This is the box oddities in your mileage may vary. We get an email from will he said. Hi Katrin Jeff Throw it just listened to today's episode and I wanted to write you with some follow up two cats story sorry Theodore Donohue now. He was the guy that we talked about who was recently arrested. Do deal that's right now now. He hasn't been found guilty that he has been arrested for the suspicion of murder and apparently you will grew up just down the road from dill he writes his house was one. I always walked a little faster past and which gave off the Erie reaced feeling due to his reclusive nature. Donahue's nickname in my house was the turtle man as you can imagine this story has been the main topic of conversation in the neighborhood and hearing it on the box of oddities was delightfully surreal. Love the podcast thanks for reading. Thanks for sharing will no kidding. I WanNa know about got any encounters. You had with this dude over the years and screaming. I love that you live near to him. You could be our box bodies investigative reporter feel like if he had hung hung out with Dell probably he would have mentioned it but maybe he knows somebody who has hung out with Dylan had. Maybe maybe maybe it's the two degrees of separation to will Smith's them mm-hmm all right. Here's my topic today. It was actually inspired by one of your old jobs. Okay mowing graveyards. Yes yeah I knew it yes. I knew it wasn't gonNA be working at aim's which is a defunct department store. Yes you actually worked in a graveyard. Well several yeah for the town and you just mowed the lawn. That's right. What a great job. That must have been it was Gloria just had the place to yourself where you WanNa riding lawnmower now you did it by hand. Yes that sucks well. I mean there's a lot of INS and outs. It would be impossible to to manage a full cemetery on a ride on on lawnmower. You'd have to go in and do so much trim work that it would be silly anyway. So why not just do it right the first time that's why a lot of more modern cemeteries aries only have like the memorial stones that are implanted in the ground they call those places memorial parks as opposed to cemeteries series and it's much cheaper to get a plot in a memorial park because it's easier to maintain yeah. I would imagine for sure now while you were working there her. I imagine you know you never really mode at night. No no it was daytime work. Would you have mode at night if they asked you to. I guess I mean anything creepy ever happen. No never not once they were few places where because this was an old town like a small town and there were some really old cemeteries that that I worked at so there were some that were kind of tucked back into the woods and of those some went far back and then they'll really old. stones were way back and they were kind of away so there were some spots that were maybe a little darker. Parker during the day. Maybe a little cooler than you'd expect. They kind of have that quiet eerie feeling but no nothing ever weird happened. We'll these are experiences very ince's that people who work in cemeteries and graveyards had that were if not just creepy out and out unexplained explained and this is according to rancor one guy says that a number of odd experiences with our crematorium one such instance was in Twenty Twelve Elf following the service of a very large man roughly three hundred seventy five pounds. I got the retort which is the Cremation Chamber preheated needed while my wife set up movie for us to watch while the man was being cremated I use the elevating platform and then slid him in closing the door to the retort afterward in going to sit down now about five minutes after I'd shut the door to the retort. We heard a thump. Neither of US paid much attention but a few moments later there was another and then another I stood up worried that the men may have had a pacemaker still inside of him however it was unlikely because he had had all of his organs removed during an autopsy the thumping and the thudding got more hurried so we ran over and we looked through the front window of the retort and could not believe what we were seeing. The man inside was flailing about both of his arms and legs were bouncing around like he was in extreme pain now. It isn't odd to see parts arts move well. Somebody is being cremated. They're breaking down. They will often contract as muscles and tendons will snap yeah well. It's like you know a bonfire would burns it shifts. It moves there. I mean it's like anything else that Burns it as it breaks down. It's going to move he said but this was most decidedly not that the man's fingers were balled up in fists and he was banging against the windows and his legs seemed it'd be kicking downward as if trying to get out the man's mouth was open and first groans began emanating from within and then they ultimately became screams screams. There was no way absolutely no way whatsoever that he could still have been alive but for about twenty seconds after we'd gone back up to the retort the man inside the cremation chambers screamed and flailed his arms and legs about I mean did you would you have like opened it and and just to act or were you kinda like committed yeah. That's a good question. what would you do comes. John Key ONA's Probably I'd have to open. I think that my curiosity would I don't think it would allow me to just let it continue without investigating gating further yeah. I don't know I don't know what I would do. I think probably the right thing to do would be to investigate it further but I'd probably just go back and washed the rest of caddyshack which is nice I think now the guy writes that his family had owned a cemetery for nearly five generations and he said I've been working there since I was twelve the House that my family built on the properties about thirty yards back from the main office one night when we were kids my grandpa and my uncle were up late. Mongol happened to look out the window and swore to my grandpa that he'd seen somebody walking behind one of the trees. The lamppost illuminated the very first handful of plots and headstones on the other side of the road but at that point they everything was fine. It was nothing suspicious this going on. I could see my GRANDPA. My uncle stood at the window for a little while. My GRANDPA ultimately teased my uncle for being scared however when they woke up the next morning the police were there in the hours between when they looked out the window and saw the burial plots undisturbed which was about four. Am and the time they noticed the commotion. I'm from the police at about seven. AM seven plots had been dug up. The headstones were stacked very deliberately like a house of cards and and behind them. The caskets were top one another. I one lying flat the next one straight up then flat then straight up then flat Ah. I don't believe this even a little bit. How would you even manage that like most casket have rounded sides and they wouldn't stack that way. It's just physics he he says with basic casket dimensions taking into account that was about thirty feet high now he says even with Machinery Henry in the present day it would take at least a bit more time to accomplish just digging up seven graves but back in the fifties how this was done in one hundred at eighty minutes with no one that lived in the house right across the street hearing it is just it's it's impossible to explain or impossible or impossible to explain that's right. You've already said that he was there. You weren't there. You don't know the read it man no picture this another cemetery employee said that she was originally hired hired because the cemetery had a period of time where they experienced some people sneaking in to perform certain rituals she said. I was twenty one years old doing this as a side job with nothing to protect myself. I was given a barcode scanner and was told to drive through the entire cemetery every hour on patrol into scan. Each of the pre posted bar codes to prove I was actually doing it going through the the cemetery and checking it now. This cemetery was massive pretty pretty much broken down in three parts the newer part the historic part and the famous part where celebrities are buried did the routine once and never did it again. Going is is going so far as to break the Barcode scanner so I did have to do it. While I was driving. It was pitch black coming around a long curved road. My headlights picked up the sworn where a pair of legs walking across the path but only up to the knees shoes pants knees and then absolutely nothing I stopped in the road and just watch this pair of legs cross about ten feet in front of me what kind of pants though probably core Roy thanks so I think ghosts love Corduroy. I like the swoosh sound that it makes sure it's spooky. One day I was chatting with an old man in the Muslim and he was rambling on about his wife in in how her crypt looked so nice with the marble and such and he had his hand resting on the niche next to hers and he kept saying this is where I'm I'm going to go. After we parted ways I looked at his spot and he was gone in on the marble was his date of death which we only sandblast death dates after they've been entombed creepy that is creepy. Maybe it was like one of those wrong number situations where the guy was just confused and he was like this is where I'm going to go and it's like okay grandpa that could be maybe it wasn't even his wife he was visit. That's right exactly could have been a total title stranger in fact he might have been in the wrong cemetery. We don't know don't know don't know Claire. A different cemetery employee said one afternoon my coworker and and I were walking the paved roads inside the cemetery with a trash bag looking for litter. We came upon a particular area of the cemetery. Oh my God it was covered in vassal lean gene. How did you know did you look at my notes. You're all neatly stacked on gravestones ghosts. Thanks very horny. Ghosts we came upon one particular area of the cemetery. They had a lot of mausoleums and took the next lane around a corner that goes along side of of one of the Muslims as we rounded it. There was an older gentleman may be late sixties early seventy standing with his back against the side of the mausoleum just looking at the plot of graves nearby two things were kind of weird about him. He was dressed off. His clothing seemed to be out of date. He was wearing a papa accord roy jacket in eighty degree weather and one of those newsboy type caps long pants button up shirt but when you think about it a lot of elderly people kind of dress in out of update clothing anyway so I struggled off the second thing he had a coffee mug. He was drinking oughta thermos. Not a styrofoam cop with a lid an actual ceramic coffee fi mug that he was sipping out of right in the middle of the cemetery now. That's probably odd for some people but not for now not for you and me no not at all. I mean our both of our trucks. Trucks are full of ceramic coffee mugs. That's what I carry with me constantly. Do I have my keys. Check purse. Check Coffee Mug. Check back that was part of the design for that. that container you were going to build for the back of your vehicle was the store. All of the empty ceramic coffee mugs no plan for being a disgusting hoarder. It just happens pens that way so it's nature not nurture well that doesn't apply in any way here so anyway this guy standing there and his corduroy jacket drinking coffee out of a ceramic mug. ooh. Ooh Does it say something like. Don't worry be happy or world's best GRANDPA hang in there. I waved to him. He smiled and waved back. I kept walking. We only a few feet away when the other girl said that was a little weird and we both look over our shoulder back at him and he was gone. We stopped and kind of took a few steps back to see if he'd walked around the mausoleum but we couldn't see him anywhere. COUPLA days later we showed up for work and found one of the regular workers there. Let them know that we were there. Are we talked to him for a few minutes and I brought up seeing the old man by the mausoleum in the section the groundskeeper just kind of smiled and ask me. Did he have a coffee mug. We said yeah he said Yeah. That's our ghost. He's not really there so we pressed him for more information. He said that he's always seen that guy. In in that spot for years looking at a family plot always has a coffee mug always wearing the same clothes he said there is a grave for a wife and two daughters and the husband spend that he stares at do you think he was the husband or was he a love and he was staring at his loved ones grave and his illegitimate children listen while the body of the man who she was supposed to be committed to laze rotting and not knowing that his wife was A. Ne'er do well. Oh God I didn't think of that. That's maybe a time traveler. You ever think that that's true. We could be a time traveler at the time traveler or a Ninja. The husband's grave said that he he passed away in the early seventies and his wife and two daughters graves passed away a couple of decades before and the three of them had the exact exact same date of death the mother in the two daughters so they think that this this guy is their dad the spirit of their data bad or at least a residual haunting maybe for years he came and stood there and had his coffee and spent some time with his loved ones and it's still happening to this day or that. Woman was a dirty slot. Listen just because you're a slut doesn't mean you're dirty. She could have been a clean slot. No slut let shaming here anyway. It makes me want to get a job at a graveyard. That sounds really cool. It was one of my most favorite jobs. I loved it. Just the the piece of not having to talk to people. Would you like put your ear buds in and just mow the lawn. I WANNA job like that. It was Gloria except on a riding mower. I don't WANNA have to walk. You've you've got to focus on the quality of the job that you're going to do and that you can only get accomplished with a with a push mower. You did that today here. I'm exhausted said watching him o our lawn lawn today it was about I'd say four weeks overdue. I would say at least that I have mode once this year well well that was going to bring that up without sounding like. I'm condemning you in any way because I haven't motive all right you in years and years and the reason being I have allergies agrees and you sweet woman took it upon yourself to to do the the mowing and trimming oddly. You're not allergic to snow yet. You don't shovel that. I'm allergic. Coal them see the rash I get It's blistering out there. I'm just glad I'm not allergic to art furniture. I don't get Atta spent a Lotta time here. Okay 'cause I'm sitting in it a lot. Okay me bum would have Arash anyway. That's all I got for you today. The box survive on your phone couple times a week and we'll see on Thursday. 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Will virtual dates stick around after the pandemic?

Why'd You Push That Button?

36:35 min | 2 months ago

Will virtual dates stick around after the pandemic?

"Hello and welcome to wide you push that button a show where Caitlin tiffany. And Ashley Carmen that's me examine all the choices. Technology forces us to make. We are back sort of just for now just for today. Yeah, a little one off for all of you who have stuck with us for this Os year since we last released episode I have absolutely no sense of whether that's accurate because I no longer have any idea of the use of calendars. Yeah, so! Pandemic Kate. How how have you been doing? Let's give the listeners a little bit of a sense of our mental state. These days yeah I, think I'm getting into the swing of it. When a couple of months ago. When we started talking about doing this episode, it was chaos here in the tiffany home I had recently broken a mirror a window to wine glasses. It was basically like I was just kind of crunching around like a floor covered in glass being like I. Wonder if I'll ever see my friends or family. so that was a dark time. I, am but. Things are picking up in new. York a little bit were allowed to go to the beach crucial. Yeah, allowed to look at each other outside. If not touch each other, so things are on the on the up. Yeah, we've. We've seen each other. which is really great I think I've sort of settled into a routine of sorts I've done. Pandemic Bingo I've done polygon workouts. I've made various foods and baked I've done. Done a puzzle. I hate to admit out loud I learned tiktok dances in had jello shots. Right birthday that you made me. Yes, anyway, so we wanted to do this episode where you know of course. Why'd you push that button? We are always curious about how dating affected. What's changing dating these days? So we wanted to episode about how cove nineteen in the pandemic has forced us to make a ton of. Of decisions about how we live work, relax etc, and how he date. Everyone's been staying at home. As you all know, and so that means they have been able to Columbia date and virtual dating has become a thing and we want to know. Is this thing that's going to last forever, or is this a pandemic phenomenon at? We're going all forget ever happened. Repress. It maybe mentioned it to our therapist once and. And that's it. Yes, so virgil dating I guess the first half of virtual dating is a concept that was already part of normal dating interest, swiping on tinder or okay. Cupid or hinge, which I guess is more of a scroll type action, but you know whatever, and then the virtual component is that because we have been understood home orders, and because people have been encouraged not to hang out in close proximity with. With people who don't live with them, you just don't do the whole thing where you meet up in a bar. Who would you can't do You don't do the whole kissing thing. You don't do any of that. You just like facetime or zoom or SKYPE OR INSERT alternative secure video conferencing software here to see if you have a connection, which all of that I think makes sense. We're kind of interested in. In what happens after the first time you facetime with somebody, win, you know. How do you build momentum? Can you build momentum? Is it actually dating and will there be like remnants of virtual dating in post? Pandemic, Romance Yeah like how effective is virtual dating really? I think broadly geographic location has become increasingly less important like when you're doing remote work. It doesn't matter where you are I could be doing an forest. Forest or beach or in the city, and it really does not matter as long as I have an Internet connection, but you know dating these dating. APPs have kind of made. It seem like maybe geographic location doesn't matter for that either, so we WANNA know how effective it really is to date from afar, and so here's here's stats. We're just throw some numbers at everybody. Okay. Cupid said that sixty two percent increase. Increase in daters on okay, but going on virtual dates in April, compared to March and it started including covid nineteen questions in people's profiles, they could talk about how they feel about. The pandemic e harmony reported a twenty seven percent increase in messages in April match, said that daily swipes read an all time high during its last earnings report, which was mid pandemic, so obviously, all of these stats are a little bit. But they are from the peak of the pandemic, which is, we would expect most people to be using their APPs video calls the most so presumably while the pandemic kind of wanes and then comes back during the year. We'll see people stay on the APPs the probably changed how much they're using them depending on the state of lockdown in their state or country, so we figured we should reach out to a dating APP. Expert Aka someone who works in the field and find out how things are going on the ground. Back in March way back when we talked to pretty Josh e the VP of strategy at bumble about what they were saying with numbers during the pandemic and more people are using the APP. We saw an eighty four percent increase in video calls. That were placed between users and what we are hearing from our users is that this is basically a way for them to connect safely because they can't actually connects irl right now. And because we interviewed her back in March, I reached out to get. Get a little bit more of updated numbers, so but will actually saw sixty nine percent increase in video calls on bumbled during the week. Ending may first verses video calls during the week ending March, thirteenth and the average video call slash phone call time on Bumble is twenty eight minutes, so people are really like doing the thing. They're doing the virtual dates. There were also some product changes to actually deal with the influx of people using the APP most significantly. bumble adjusted their quote, unquote distance. Distance filtering for finding matches prior to this world, everyone was able to really interact with or meet people within one hundred mile radius, but now because you know, you can't really meet anybody I row and a lot of people are kind of quarantining in communities that they aren't necessarily a part of because. Maybe they've gone back to their parents, houses or something, but we've tried to do is give them the ability to connect with folks that might be a part of the community that eventually go back. Back to, and they also added voice notes, which actually voice those kind of having a moment right now. Yeah, I remember earlier in the whole. Like. How do we date from inside our apartments conversation? A friend of mine was saying that she was gonNA start sending like sultry voice memos, which I honestly thought sounded really fine. I actually tried it out a little bit when I was long distance dating during the pandemic. I mean it wasn't actually sultry, but I did send a lot of voice. Voice memos there. I think more intimate than sexy pick because they go on for longer, plus we're all alone anyway. It's like you have time and space to listen to this voice. Message is out like you're on the move. Or move. Okay, so bumble is not the only dating APP that's creating all these product features, others are of course doing it as well so tinder is letting everyone around the world swipe for free to find quarantine buddies. This is usually paid feature, but now they're making it free. They also want something called global mode, which completely gets rid of geographic filters entirely for free, so you could be mashing with people were and vice versa hinges also letting people tap A. A button to say they're ready for video. Call date just kind of interesting, but I guess it supposed to facilitate the conversations. You don't have to be awkward, but like. Are you open to video calls? If you're having a conversation with someone in the messages, then you just like hit a button being like I, am ready. Yeah, and it shows up at the bottom of your chat and it's like okay I guess that she's good to go where he is. I? Don't know about that. And then, facebook still has a dating thing. They launched their video. Call dating and is also going to launch one on one video calls to so everyone is going all in on video calls virtual dating. The badges lack of location filters. Everything I will say that while I do support this in principle in practice as someone who has really bad webcam face I. Don't know that it will work for me. You really have to work your angles Andrew Lighting. You have to know what you're doing. Tinder I think for me is the most interesting one primarily because it's I would assume the world's biggest dating APP and Nikolai and I are earn sheep. The verge we actually talked to the CEO of Tinder. Ellie Seidman for the verge other podcasts called verge cast, and got a little bit more of the behind the scenes details about why they invested in. In videos aning, and also why they care about this as a phenomenon videos, not about video videos about live videos about the ability to get connection when we do it on tinder, we actually the positive side is we bring to bear all of our experience with safety. You know the things that are completely off platform. We have most zero ability to do. Do anything about their outside of our purview, so there are a lot of benefits. So really what he's saying is the hat. Tinder is going to keep us safer on our video calls. then. Maybe they would be if we were using facetime or Google do or whatever else people use, and this applies to privacy too, so you can actually keep some of. Of Your personal information secret from your matches you'll often want a certain amount of privacy as developing a relationship as that relationship is forming, and they don't know where it's GonNa end up. They don't know if it's GonNa last and so giving out your facetime ID giving your snap handle, etc, giving out all these other things may not be what you want. Elliott was actually saying that before the pandemic video you calling was on the list of features. They want to launch, but it was very low on that list, so the pandemic just set it up, but I'm curious, Kate. If you're on tinder, would you want to use a video call feature with someone? You don't know yet if it became like a norm to do a quick screening video, call with someone before you took. Took a whole night out of your week to meet up with them in person I, think I would be into that. I mean not on the dating APPs right now, but that seems useful to me. I can't even count the number of times that I've dragged my, but to bushwack or to a piano bar in mid town, and then as soon as the person comes in and says Hello I'm know that I. I am not gonNA vibe which maybe sounds shallow, but I think it would be better for everyone if you can just like video chat, be like and then not have to have that embarrassing like twenty minutes a day. Where one person is ready to book it exactly, there's been not so many days, but definitely a couple of dates a stand out my mind where like Oh, if I had a video call to. To just screen you preliminarily, we would have been good. We could have avoided this whole awkward thing where I've had to chug a glass of wine and then make up an excuse to leave. Yeah, there are people who will expose themselves like real quick, and then you can just cut it off. Yeah, if you'RE GONNA make problematic comments. Problematic comics are gonNA come out in that video. Call one way or the other. So I'm imagining that after the pandemic video calls kind of like we're talking about might stick around as a screening system that just makes especially for women for safety to avoid ghosting all the things like video call cool, but I'm really curious about is during the pandemic, if while we're stuck with digital dating, which is text and voice and video, whether people are actually talking about more meaningful things. Things in there by building a relationship, or if they're kind of just shooting the shit talking about being depressed, pandemic fireworks in Brooklyn, whatever versus actually trying to you know, go a little deeper, and pretty from bumble told us that with people being stuck inside. They are having more meaningful conversations in the APP and bumble says that it knows this because they have an algorithm that apparently assesses conversation. Conversation? We have a proprietary ribbon that basically helps us understand what a meaningful conversation could look like, and that we can see has increased since the time of kind of Kobe everyone being quarantined unlikely pudding, potentially more intent right behind the conversations that they're trying to have into now. We're seeing that about one in four conversations are turning into these meaningful conversations in meaningful chats for lack of. Of A better word that I can then only hypothesize into good forms of relationships, however, folks are defining back. I wish pretty gave us more info. Because this is like really shocking to hear, but it's also not surprising considering we give all of these APPs lots of data about ourselves even if it doesn't really seem like we are, they can see what we're talking about and can kind of. That information, but yeah just suffice it to say these APPs know what you're doing I would assume that they're probably talking about like the number of messages people are exchanging or the link. Those messages wedge could have been you know a temporary pandemic thing. People are just dumping their anxieties on each other. It could have been texting. People were extremely Horny at the beginning of quarantine. On this show, but it's possible that the meaningful conversation was a was a blip. We don't know how long that's going to last. In the online dating world, yeah, like temporary people were vulnerable because they had no other outlets, except for like therapy and a few friends, but as we go back to potentially at least being able to go on dates outside, I think people might go back to their their game playing ways. But because Kate Ni- are not in the dating scene right now we want to talk to a few daters who are on the ground, experiencing this and get their take on housing going for them, and whether virtual dating is here to stay. I talked to Catherine Smith a writer and The memoir all the lives we ever lived seeking solace, in Virginia, Woolf, I, also just finished a piece about current Mirus Ding loneliness singled down, so she truly knows about isolation and loneliness. Those are some some key themes eve, and talking you from Rhode, island but I actually live in Brooklyn. Catherine got a taste of social distancing a few months before we did in America I had matched with a guy named. Earlier in the urine January and he had actually gone to Hong Kong where he teaches at university because he was in Hong Kong, he was going through social distancing two months before I, was so he was the first person who introduced me to determine social distancing actually on Valentine's Day. And I know idea what he was talking about, and he was like Oh. Yeah, no, that's. When you don't see anyone. I was kind of like. Oh, well, whatever because? This is a problem unique to China? Of course two weeks later, she was ordered to stay at home as well. She noticed aside effective at home, dating the dreaded check in texts from Scummy X.'s and former flames I was also noticing that all these other men from my past kind of popping up. You know people that I hadn't heard from in months or else people. That I had just started dating back. In Brooklyn, who? Were at the of indeterminate place in our relationship were really wasn't clear what it was going to be and it was just kind of put on on hold. I'm very disappointed in my exes on surprisingly that they have not hit me up at all. A mole fended like. Don't you kind of reflect on our relationship when you're all alone and have no one else? Yeah, the two that I had were not very exciting. One was from. Somebody will never speak to again in my life, and another one was just from some Internet boy I went out with three times, so they weren't like they didn't have the drama of Catherine's, but I. do understand the impulse to reach out within your pre existing contacts rather than going onto the APP. You know it's. It's we're lonely. Sad, we want the familiar goats something you already know even if you might get extremely harsh tax back, that's what I heard from a lot of my friends. Who dating to is that a were texting people who they hit either gone on one date with and fizzled or people who they like meant to meet up with, or at least we're hooking up with just because it's a little bit easier than starting fresh like the advent of covid feels like like the silence, a game of musical chairs where all the sudden. The music stops like Oh I. Guess I'm stuck with. It was kind of casually dating. So as we were talking about before since so many people are working from home. Geography is becoming a lot less relevant in dating so a Lotta people are figuring. They might as well video chat with someone who lives nowhere near them in Catherine's case, Hong Kong I reached I'm lonely. And he wrote back hug with all these issues which I'd never seen before I was like. Oh, that's comforting. And then he was eventually like we should do one of those weird facetime for Steve. Things and I think that's not something I would ever normally to and realize that I'm sure. Yeah, let's do it and other interesting consequence of the pandemic has been the slide into complete lack of fashion. Nobody that I know is getting dressed anymore. We all like slobs. webcams aren't very flattering and Catherine knowing this decided to have her date with the N. over the phone instead of on facetime so that. That she would not have to try to put herself together for the video call, so we ended up just talking on the phone for three and a half hours, and it was really nice, and like a very strange way to get to know someone, and he had this kind of a really amazing radio personality voice. I can imagine that in a phone call that long you have some pretty meaningful conversations, maybe even more so than you would in a an irl date, which don't tend to last three and a half hours in my experience, so is social distancing making for better dates, I mean. No, it's definitely not feel like a real date like. Both like, say in a bar. You have a couple of drinks kind of just like warming up to each other in getting like all impulses that are coming at you or the same impulses, and you're seeing the same things in your, whereas like he's looking out at these beautiful hills of Hong Kong. Enormous Towers and I'm like sitting on Matak in the dark, according to Katherine, there's still something missing with this new form of dating like I. Miss Like touch. Like, not necessarily that we would have had, but like just even the fact that that's not an option felt very like a little bit of anticlimax. As we've said we live a world of unknowns now calendars have no meaning. We don't know why we own them. It's horrible to think about the future. Dating was already so disorienting and alienating, and now it is worse. There's something about not knowing when this is gonNA. End that makes feel I think a little bit daunting. You know like I. Think I think part of the excitement of going online and talking to someone. Is this like promise of possibly getting to see them in and heading it off, and it feels to me like what's a little bit like what's the point? So? Catherine kind of makes it sound like this whole experiment around virtual dating just is not working out that well, that may be the whole effort is kind of useless. She definitely had some issues, but she wouldn't go so far as to say that it's useless. I think it's actually a very probably great way to get to know someone to me. Barrier feels like what. What happens next and and the fact that lake? How long can you sustain this kind of like endless talking when you don't really know like? Are you going to be able to meet up in a month? You An immutable to meet up like four months. You know just feel I think it's like in deterministically is really really hard to to maintain like an excitement. Okay so the fact that Catherine is not willing to completely right off. Virtual dating makes me think that we haven't totally gotten to the core here of whether virtual dame completely stick around, but at least makes me think aspects, if not most of it has lasting potential. Yeah video were sold on video chatting I think IAEA and the numbers show that more people than ever are using dating apps than before so clearly. There's people out there who are trying the APPS for the first time. And I wanted to talk to someone who I knew was new to the dating APPs, and that person is my boyfriend's brother Max. Tinder and hinge dating stories have been keeping me quite entertained. By one hundred percent love it, but it's war on. It's okay. I think I'm setting myself up for Post Corona virus, so think about Max is that he always hated on the dating APPs pre pandemic and refused to use them, so I was super surprised. When suddenly he pivoted downloading them as soon as the pandemic said in I think it was just because like one I couldn't go out and like normally like how would. Would meet someone like out and about at a bar meeting with friends or whatnot just through mutual friends now obviously really can't go out and socialize then I was like okay. I need a socialized somehow and for a newbie. He's been very successful. He chatted with two women, both of whom he's gone on facetime dates with and the first one went really well until she pulled the ultimate dating sin. We have another one. One that up and shook snapchat before to Chila. I think she drank too much Tequila so she actually goes to me on our second date, so it's kind of corona red flag for me. Actually this happened to another friend of mine, too. Now that I'm thinking about this someone else I know got ghosted during the pandemic, and I can't believe it. How do you ghost during pandemic when we are all under no illusions? Illusions that you have nothing else going on also kind of rude at a time where everyone's really nervous people getting sick, you know just a polite. I no longer feel like talking to you I. Guess That's not polite. Polite version of that then no one has to worry that you have become ill the communicable virus, but going back to Max, maxes second woman. He went on a date with actually. My have some potential. Is actually pretty awesome right. We talked consecutively for a few weeks after back. Drinking wine hanging out and talking. Face facetime and we know pretty well. We're talking about like maybe cooking together. She lost cocaine. She seems like a really good based off of the food that she showed me and I was actually cooking the other night generally feeling pretty good about this woman, but the relationship has reached a standstill. After some time though we like trying to like disconnected, just because there's no physical connection, there is because we can't see mother after Sarah Boy. Whereas doors and the conversation was meaningful enough to make him keep talking to her, but it still missing that essential physical aspect talking for weeks on, and like you know, we're really to know one another. I just feel like I. Don't know I like I feel like if there's no like actual physical connection or like being able to actually be with learn other person, I just feel like it's limiting kind of doesn't feel one hundred percent real I also want to take away from your will have them person. That's you know. Max makes it sound like the virtual dating situation in dating APPs, just kind of a band-aid over the situation like he's fine, he's doing it. He's making it. It work for him, but this is just a placeholder. He is ready to get back to impersonating I mean the first weekend that Russia's were open I'm going to a restaurant and I'm sitting outside. He's ready to go back and social. He's ready, so I think you know this doesn't speak too highly of virtual dating sticking around specifically for people who have never been interested in dating online before. It seems like he doesn't WanNa. Go anymore facetime dates, but he is maybe like comfortable with tinder. Now's a concept. Yeah, I think he's seeing the potential of meeting a bunch of people. It does broaden your horizons as far as how many people you can meet in a day. It's unparalleled. So with both Catherine Amax Day are kind of in the spot of not really knowing what the future is going to hold if they're going to be interested in continuing virtual dating. But that isn't to say that people haven't successfully managed dating from afar by virtual dating and people who long distance relationships have had to make the Internet work for them for a very long time way before the pandemic hit, so we wanted to talk to someone who has been in that situation for some time to see how the pandemic is affecting them. They've been using these tools for a really long time, so we want to know what they can tell us about the future of virtual dating. So, we chatted with a man named Matt who's partner lives in another country, and was already in a long distance relationship before the pandemic started. My Name's Matt prayed now I am living at my childhood home in New Jersey. He and his partner Mike Lives in Canada are a true tinder story, but the pandemic is throwing off their plans I. Met my partner Mike? Four years ago now when I was on a business trip in Montreal and on Tinder at the time, we're now working on a visa application. That requires us to live in separate countries, so we're pretty used distance at this point, we have gotten into the groove of it and understand each other's boundaries and communication mattress kneeling what both maxine catherine kind of talked about feeling this no end in sight type of mindset in the past we've been able to visit each other once a month or so, and that's really been like what's rooted us to the relationship. I guess you know obviously now that. That the borders closed. That's changed so since then we've kind of had to reckon with not knowing when we'll see each other again. Which is something that we've never really had to deal with before? Matt and Mike have figured out ways to stay in touch normally, but now that they can't see each other in person that all the need to keep up. Communication is even more urgent. It's honestly impressive. How many different platforms and chat formats they've been using. One of the main things we do is we watch TV together? That's always been a way that we relax and recently we've been really into the real housewives. It's just such a good way for us to like chill out of the end of the night. Ultimately, we usually end up using. Facebook, MESSENGER call or facetime. We also play animal crossing together now or play Mario Kart together and things like that where the online play element makes it feel. Closer and then we try to like throughout the day. Keep that call going as much as we can and I'll just prop my phone up against the wall on. Or on drinking my coffee and writing, and just trying to keep the connection open so still we're seeing technology as dating enabler, but that only seems to be a temporary replacement. It's a buffer for one. You can eventually be together in person and in the end. Unfortunately, Kate real housewives is not a replacement for her real hug. Physical intimacy doesn't translate well. That's also something that we've had to deal with for a long time, but always with that knowledge that next month will see each other again. Next month we can lay insane badge, or you know so I think that probably is what translates least well for us is how much you want to be able to give somebody a hug right now. They're also real life gestures and activities that are genuinely romantic, but don't really work when you adopt them into a digital context, things like having a candlelight dinner or just things where you would usually put some extra effort into a great can feel cheesy when you're on the Internet because it's like why am I lighting these candles in my bedroom and So I think a lot of what I've come to realize is like you kind of have to change your expectations, a little bit of what is romantic or intimate Now it feels somewhat romantic to just sit down and watch the real housewives of Beverly Hills whereas like cooking dinner and letting few candles can feel cheesy, or it doesn't translate as well. Yeah, and the pandemic is just a huge hurdle for them, because more than anything else going through. Hopefully, what's a once in a lifetime event would be really nice to do with. With a human being by your side, the feeling wall. This absolutely ludicrous thing is happening in the World Mike I can't be with him for it like we can't really go through a together. That's the part that bothers me. More is present moment and not being able to help each other through it as much as we'd like to. Obviously we love Matt and his partner and wish them the best. They seem to be working really hard to keep their relationship steady, and we have no doubt that they'll make it through the pandemic. I. Feel optimistic in that. We both seem to be in a similar place with it. Which is uncomfortable? You know not okay with it at all, but I think that starting the relationship long distance kind of came us a little more clarity on that fact that like. The next time we do see each other whenever that is. The way we about each other's going to change. More. It seems like the big takeaway. Here is one that originally dating. APPS came out it was. Kinda position does like this is how you're GONNA meet people. This is the new way to make introductions no longer have to go up to someone at a bar and hope for the best, but this pandemic situation and virtual dating sorta suggests to me that more than that you can. You can facilitate that you can get through the first couple dates worth of material online, and you're probably doing okay. Okay, but it's when you get to that fourth day. Where you're like okay, we're ready for that physical physical connection. Probably yeah, I think we kind of decided. Correct me if I if you feel differently, but is that this isn't really going to completely overhaul like the dating experience, but it is maybe shifting somewhat our ideas about which parts of the dating process can happen online in which parts can't exactly now since we did some of these interviews a while ago, we wanted to give you. You all a little update on our guests. So Catherine says that she is still single. Although Ian broke up with her over a text because of the piece she wrote which I guess just speaks to the fact that the pandemic is making it awkward to break up with people. Even if you've never met them in person and people still feel like they can do that overtaxed, and then as far as Matt and Max I, think the pandemic and their use of virtual dating really was just. Just a placeholder, because as soon as they had the opportunity to meet up with people in person they did so. Matt was able to finally cross the border into Canada in June to see his partner, and he's with him now and Max went on a date first thing with one of the women. He was speaking to the ghost actually, and it seems to have gone fine so I think what we're seeing here is just that virtual dating has some merits, but clearly in person is preferable. It seems like the features we really like and concede sticking around is definitely the video calls screeners, which again is kind of that first couple dates preliminary info slash just that initial. Are you even someone i WanNa talk to you in person screener I should mention that in the course of thinking about this episode I briefly became obsessed with this community called. Called never mats, which is for people who are in Internet only relationships, which some of them are extremely sweet. They're just like teenagers flirt in minecraft for months and months on end, so we shouldn't say the online dating doesn't work for anybody. Because some people do find it really romantic for sure and I spoke to the tinder CEO. He seemed to suggest. Suggest that the younger generation like Gen. Z. are the ones who could pull off virtual dating more than millennials Gen Z., the eighteen nineteen year old to arrive on tinder today. They've grown up with the social internet. They've had in their life from a very young age, so when they arrived. They've already hung out in digital environments. It might have been four night right that could have been the place where they were hanging out with their friends, so the idea of like hanging out and developing a relationship and developing and connection, letting it unfold in a digital environment is not a new idea, but as far as whether geography matters allow. These dating APPS are starting to get rid of their geographic filters. On one hand I do think that makes some sense because you can have things in common people around the world and find valuable things. In everybody, but at time like well, you're going to have to overcome some hurdles. If you can't see each other in person like eventually, you're going to be like. Oh, we want probably meet up and see each other in person so I don't know how long those filters and the global mode for tinder is really GonNa, be appealing right. Is it in New York right now? People are still not taking this subway, so I probably wouldn't if I were on the APPS, agree to go on a date with someone who lived in a different borough. I would really like to keep my. My circle tight right, but I would maybe be willing to meet up with someone in person at this point. Yeah, same here totally same you know I guess close this out. I didn't want to pull again from that tinder CEO interview because I really wanted to ask him. Whether Technology was advanced enough to replace the irony experience of dating and Kinda. Get his take, so this is what he had to say. I think that this varies for for everyone. Our view, my the personally, but our view more broadly as a as a team at tinder is that there is a limitation? There is only so far you can go. That were physical beings right, and that's important, and that's wonderful, and that's been true for. You Know Millennium Millennia Millennium is not going to change because of Covid is not going to change. It's not going to change. There's a very important place to play for hanging out virtually but I think there's a very important place to play for the physical world, and will have a better sense in in a year's time of like how this shakes out what percentages are what but I'm definitely betting on the physical world being very important and here's Day. So that's it. That is the one off bonus episode of. Why'd you push that button? I hope we are back soon. Kate anything else you want plug here. You've been doing a lot of great reporting work. Yeah, we neglected to mention this. It's a tough episode, but. I I work at the Atlantic now, and this is a lot of the type of thing I've been covering. They're just how people are using the Internet to cope with the strange feelings of the pandemic, so you could give me a google if you wanted. Find my new home. And everyone can follow me on instagram Asha Carmen I. Hope I hope one day we get to come back with another season. That would be really cool, but we have no news for you on that front, so don't ask any more questions about that. You all right? That's it for US seawall later I.

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The Never-ending CNN Town Hall

"Let me be explicit right now in this podcast. There's some explicit language. Tuesday, April twenty third two thousand nineteen from sleep. It's the gist. I Mike Pesca singer Kate Smith recorded a rendition of God bless America. That was famously played before Philadelphia flyer. Home games in the nineteen seventies. When the broad street bullies were on broad street for one it turns out that during her lustrous recording career, she put some notes on vinyl that were by today's standards, strictly speaking totally and completely racist. I will. Okay. It is not often that you play a song that was considered wholesome entertainment in nineteen thirty one, and you wind up worrying it needed a trigger warning in two thousand nineteen this song and another similarly racist league singed Diddy caused some consternation for the teams that had been playing the Kate Smith recording of God bless America. When the new songs emerged the flyers and the New York Yankees who play Kate Smith's, God bless America. During the seventh inning stretch were put in an odd. An uncomfortable position now, which we are to talk about these new songs emerging. She was in an extremely famous singer. And it's not as if her catalogue was lost to the ages or something anyone who cared to look could have found that she saying racist songs eighty eight years ago. It would be as if in the year twenty eighty four there was some Madonna backlash. Because someone found that she sang a song called crazy for you. And in twenty eighty four you can imagine that speaking of mental illness that way will not be countenanced. So the flyers had a decision to make. And I thought this would be one of those multiday tooling and froing and the backlash to the backlash on the who's the real race note. She's out she was out pretty quickly the Knicks to even quicker the flyers covered a statue outside the stadium statue of Kate Smith covered with tarp then removed. It the Yankees decided stop playing God bless America. Or the case myth version released during the seventh inning stretch. I actually upon further review by the book can see why the teams made this decision. What are the costs of sticking with Kate Smith a constant barrage of criticism every day? Criticism for an optional musical choice where one specific version of this song causes you a massive headache. But there are no nine to twelve thousand perfectly acceptable other versions. So those are the cost of keeping Kate Smith. What's the cost of axeing Kate Smith two days on WIP sports radio where you get this call? Yeah. Hey, mikey. It's Tony for fair. What are the fliers doing what next they going to audit? Gritty Borelli all the Yankees have to do is instead of pushing one button push a different button. That's it. And by the way, God bless America. During the seventh inning stretch that is some New York Yankees bullshit right there, the Steinbrenner family trying to insinuate itself between mom and apple pie for the flyers a little bit higher costs. They put her statue up. But those are pretty dumb choice to begin with. When you think about it? There are literally hundreds of people who've played for the flyers or worked for the flyers or supported the flyers who meant more to the success of the flyers than Kate. Smith did seriously who has given. More wins to the flyers Kate Smith or sir guy. Bob row sqi clearly at sir guy. Brow sqi, it's not the flyers fault. They only got a second round or back for after the trade. Brad Marsh deserves a statue more than Kate Smith. Peter Zell statue more than Kate. Smith gets in Osalvo deserves a statue more than Kate Smith. I knew the day would come when I got to just list a bunch of Philadelphia Flyers on the show. There was one of the factor going on with this decision. One other factor playing into white people so badly wanted to do away with Kate Smith. I think it's because everyone in their own way knows a Kate Smith what I mean, a person like Kate Smith, you know, someone who did something years ago that you might not have done today if she were alive and not one hundred eleven years old. I mean, people know an actual person then Kate Smith between Kate Smith cat Smith, Kathy Smith, Catherine Smith, everyone knows one. If you went down to your average high school girls softball game in Mecklenburg county, North Carolina. I'd say most of the middle infield would be named Katie. Smith and not exactly sure how that plays into the quick reaction. But if you compare it to the time when Alcan PANA said something racist or the time when Don I miss it, some racist stuff and those guys last for days, I think it's something to think about when the racist person shares a name with someone you don't want to think of as racist you immediately strike out against the racism because we couldn't live with Katie Smith. What k- Smith is racist? Not that Katie Smith. Okay, fine. Just all put it behind us. Great. Are we done? Excellent. Now, we could all go back to not carrying about hockey on the show today. It's a CNN town hall, actually, it's five in a row a lot of content. I say set the spiel to double speed and you'll have saved four hours fifty three minutes. But first, she is an actress director writer and the star of a new sitcom based on the age old idea of the fish out of water, and it works, and that is how good lake bell is at her job. She pulls off the fish out of water will at the same time being named after a body of water, you know, in a way Goethe achieve something similar in his career. But still this is a milestone sitcom history, the delightful, even more so than Avery Goethe bell. I do. So love my cats. Let me tell you a little bit about them all of our he he's definitely going to be the one to protect us from the squirrel outside when the squirrel shows up near our window that guy he's got his hackles raised and he's ready to fight. Thank you all of her downside when he's hungry. He'll jump on your face Layla on the other hand. She's great with the licking of the face. Lots of looking at the face. That's both a good thing in a bad thing. Yeah. Looks both ways. But there is one thing about the cats. I don't love so much. It's the litter box, which is why arm and hammer created new cloud control litter. There is no cloud of nasties when you scoop it is a hundred percent dust free free of heavy perfumes and help reduce airborne gander from scooping. The what happens in the litterbox stays in the litterbox new cloud control cat litter by Armin hammer. More power to ya. Late bell is an actress and writer and director who you know. And she's out with a new ABC series called bless this mess. I wanna get into all of this. But there's so many ways I could introduce her. And I think I want to introduce just by quoting this line from an article that the telegraph ran about her for bell is far more than simply a hot. Actress who regularly appears on lists of the world's most desirable women and uncovers of men's magazines happy to get her kid off was gratifying. Telegraph, no. Allow a piece of sex me enjoys being naked. Thank you. Like off appreciates it. That is quite an intro. Incidentally, you know, I look I've got two kids now. So I'm like, thanks for the knowledge -ment, you know. Yes. Thank you. But no, I look I think at the end of the day. I don't think, you know, just because I'm like or editor producer. You know, doesn't mean that I can't have an entity or can exude feminity that I'll come on what exude them. Listen. I mean, come on kids. This is what I want to talk about to go million places. I wanna talk about actually this show where you think it fits in our cultural, firmament or media landscape or cliche, and how it comes to be. So you're an executive producer? Also. Right. So so I I create Liz, Mary, whether I co created it, right? So we sat on a couch thought of the ice awesome. So Liz, Mary weather is good girl. No. The new girl are used to say. But you said the new girl. So wrong. Well, all right. But I don't wanna say vote game of thrones. I don't want to be one of the listen the night is young could. I could she's creator of new girl. She's really funny, you know, her from where we knew each other from she wrote, no strings attached. And I was in it, and I kinda played ostensibly like her personage like her play her, and she wrote herself kind of into it. And then I played her. So we became tight on that. And then years past you know, we went off and did our own things. She was on new girl, and like becoming a TV like, masterpass, you know, of all of all trades. And and I then was making indie movies and doing all kinds of other stuff over here. And then we kinda came together. Like, she got hitched. She got knocked up. I had two kids. And all of a sudden we found ourselves. Hitch to knocked up not the movies for action knocked dot with could be confusing the people. Oh, yeah. Totally totally. I'm in both great movies. Yes. What happened to us? But then we found ourselves having coffee on on a couch in my house. And I was like, hey, you know, I brought you over here because it was wondering would you ever want to know that new rules would you ever want to make a TV show? And she was like I was waiting for this call, you know, she's like finally, let's do this. Because I felt like I don't wanna do TV unless they do it with Mary weather, like I just felt like if you can't do art arsons abilities like were aligned we were, you know, we're friends, but we also have a comedy language and away of relating to each other that that was her Mona's, you know, so ABC shows are of type I was looking at the entire ABC slate. They're all about families. Every single one is about a family and often there's a fish out of water element to it. Or right one little thing off that makes it it's the family that you know, with this little twist. So you're twist is your yours in Nebraska and her newlyweds. So we're, you know. Here a year into just a year into it. So it's not like we have a big family or anything. It's it's the newlywed game. That was the definition of newlyweds within the first year. Yes. Yes. Newlywed game. Rules, say some say may help. Yeah. It's it's it's a it's a good way to live. But yeah, I feel like they're newlyweds that was really interesting to us like, Liz. And I would we were talking about it. We're like, you know, what we both were sort of somewhat newly married and really enjoying the fodder for comedy within the space of leg. You know? You're trying to be you put your best foot forward. You're trying to be your best version near self. And then you throw it into something quite extraordinary and the onion starts to peel away. And you infer all the shit. That's like, you know, really unsavory or just annoying. And that's when things get interesting, you know, so fish out a water is also something that I just love that trope. I love that game. He, you know. So how does Dax become involved? Well, Dax it's funny when we wrote the show we were like, let's just write it and Dak shepherd's voice. Like that guy. Right. He's just it's there his comedic, timing everything. And so when you write you can put anyone you want you can cast as you will. And so we use ducks. And then when it came time had met him like in the line at the pickups for the kids like our daughters went to the same preschool. And there's that other actor. Yeah. L A over, you know, my name's bell. Do you know? And then so when it came time to offer it to him, you know, I did have his number because we went to the same preschool. So I was like all look on the preschool she'd texted after being no way. Falls through because no one has the number of the gone from the preschool. She got the phone tree is why most major networking every day. Jesus christ. So as such you're pretty much obligated to go on his talk show, right and debate like monitor I feel like it's really cool. It gets you up into the attic, you know, works with. I I know I know. Armchair expert. But I would I would say is like because I hang out with tax all day long shooting. I feel like I've been on. Armchair, like all I do is talk to him about let you know life and everything, and you know, we're both helping updating and I'm like, oh, we did it we like. But what if it gets real what? If the armchair expert episode like takes you to places, you have been less, and I don't know. I feel like we've covered everything at this point. I'm like Jesus Dax. What are we gonna talk about? You know, if we do it. But, but he's he's awesome. He's like he's just he's so he brings so much to it. And it's really he's really fun to improvise with and the two of us like it's integral that the core. Couple. You're rooting for them and very like ping pong. You know, we have an ease to kind of like, you know, pitter-patter with our comedy, which is really fun in the next to the sort of slow cadence of Ed Begley junior and Pam Grier. Just like emanating warmth and love and this brings me to. I mean, AVI. Obviously, you wanna have the best funniest people. But it seems like your career is more. So that than others like if you look at the cast of of children's hospital, and if you look at some of the even the movies that you've done your casting, the best funniest people wear, you could just say, let them go just laugh, and you can't go wrong. And you have you have Dave CAC ner. Oh my God. Do I have Dave? I didn't know that Lenin park Lennon Parham Parham. She is like plays are ase. They're just like hard comedy. You know, you just let them loose, and you give Espen your mom, your mom. I looked at it's plausible but on the border. Oh, are you kidding? The twenty difference is what I'm saying is as she got to it got to it. But also I play we play different ages in the show. Yeah. Yeah. Acting it seems to me also that there are more jokes per minute than in a lot of the stuff. I see. And I'm wondering if if it was let's. Just go for it as much as we can. Let's try to pack it with as many jokes or almost like, well, I just I sense that it used to be the idea of sitcom e was every three lines had to be a joke. And that was criticized, and then it was seen as you know, this is so much better. Not everything has to be in service of joke and all the sitcoms got a lot of praise because they were so real, and I would say I'm give that sitcom praised. But you know, it's not very funny. Most of the time, and then no one seemed to care. But now, maybe we're in an era where there can be succumbs with lots of jokes. I felt new girl had locked lots jokes. I kind of love lots of jokes and this com is more lots of jokes tight. There's definitely lots of jokes in it. But I think we have lots of jokes because we are were after earning heart. So where like, you know, at the end we were like yet, we're going to go for some hard guys. So buckle up. You know what I mean? So we're like Joe Joe Joe pow let's feel playing formula sins episode. Oda the family would argue that that's great. That's not a bad. It's not a bad structure. So here's my last question. It's about something related to a world. When I started in radio, they probably overcorrected for having accents and talking like regular people. And I was you know, people would right in saying, why are you letting this guy in the air and that was wrong. But I do think that there is something to craft an articulation. And maybe if you wanna even and this might not be fair, but a deep resonant voice, look, we're putting our time into the craft of doing this. Right. And now if it's just game on anyone could talk, and hey, you're my buddy. Maybe I'm a couple of things I'll blow the whistle on me. Maybe there's a lot of craft that goes into that that I'm not accounting for. But it does seem like a loosening of standards rather than differentiation of standards. But I'm wondering as the tour of that film. What you think I really feel that you it seems like you're having some. How about a certain type of voice in a craft. And I think that that still exists. But after all, I think I think there's a place for the sort of like really acceptable kind of lake AM just me a memory gal. I'm regular guy over two we might be. But then there's also a huge like group of announcers and commentators that have a more traditional both men and women shnell sound. Yeah. It is true. And I do notice certain products. Like all the cell phones are with the, hey, I'm your pal. You could say exactly you could say the same for acting. Okay. It's like there's people that would you think of like YouTubers, or, you know, inner sort of like Instagram stars all of a sudden getting TV show, you know, and like being in movies, and I'm like, that's the way it changes. Like, that's I think those people are really smart initially. It was like, whoa. That's intimidating right? Like, I went to drama school in England. And I studied for years, you know. It's like, and now like how can I all of a sudden share the stage with with people who just did it out of their living room? And I'm like God damn they are innovative. And so like I like that Embiid and doing it for yourself. Like, that's incredible. There are people I follow on Instagram that I put in the TV show because I saw their Instagram, and I was like third hilarious, and they're prolific and they're making stuff in. They're doing something. They're not sitting on their asses saying, you know, we should be in the movies or to you know, it's like they're like putting it out there and that energy in that force paid off for them. And I'm like, I got a commend that you know. So if you agree with lake do what she did start a network TV show and give your Instagram heroes jumps. It's pretty simple bell is a star of the new ABC's sitcom bless this mess with Dax Shepard New Yorkers moved to the Brassica and the house ain't good. Thank you. Brought to you by GS k. If we map the genetics of disease could we change? Its course a GS k we know the information encoded in our genes provides vital knowledge, so we're working with partners to coded using technology like an advanced search engine we can spot the patterns that lead to diseases like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's because by denting the patterns that cause disease we hope to transform how patients are treated in the future. And now the spiel five presidential candidates who are probably already in New Hampshire. What a coincidence participated in a never ending interlocking series of town halls each more intricate than the last not really the reason that CNN did one after another after another after another after another town halls, quote unquote town halls was because of Democratic Party rules. The rules say that have candidates share the stage at once accounts as debate. And that would be breaking the rules. So all the candidates who are each staking claim to being the fresh new game changer who dares to think big. So all these candidates submitted to audience an anchor questions because otherwise they'd be breaking the rules. Come on HR, just invite John Delaney to the stage at the same time as you show your rebel. No. Well, okay. Then why don't you Senator field question from Shannon, a student at the university of New Hampshire. I Senator high a man who is equally or lesser qualified than I am will automatically make more money than me. So my question is what will you do to close the wage gap? And make sure that women are paired paid a fair rate Senator klobuchar allow me to feel this Shannon. Thank you for your question. You are wrong. That is an insane thing to say or maybe you don't know the definition of automatically that could be a problem if you're going into the field of dictionary editing in which case, I would say the wage disparity is warranted. Senator klobuchar did not say this. I will play some of France right past the equal pay. That would be a very good thing. We already passed the Lilly Ledbetter act that was something that we really proud of that made it easier for women to contest, these kinds of cases when they. In the workplace. I think also making it easier for women to get the kind of jobs. They should I would love to pass the ER a, right? Get that cemented into law across the country. And then make sure we have role models across the country because you know, that movie Hidden Figures, maybe a better movie to site would be the never ending story because it wasn't and you won't automatically get less money. Now, you'll probably get less than some of these other kids in the audience who went to a slightly different New England based institution. Junior at Harvard Matola, she's a freshman at Harvard for sophomore at Harvard from Compton is a senior at Harvard University from Massachusetts Filo from Arizona. He's a freshman Harvard or support or studying sociology and chemistry at Harvard. Leo. We'll get into Harvard yet everyone there got into Harvard. The questions they asked were pretty good. You gotta wonder you got to wonder though, how how did they get in? What did they have something special to write about on their application essay on that issue of climate? I want to bring in Madeleine woods senior at Harvard from Colorado. She was raised on a wolf sanctuary. Okay. Now. Chris Cuomo the moderator who you heard there. He went to yell which is about as good a schools Harvard. I'd say yet the quality of the questions maybe not as good as the kids were asking. What does that mean? In the context of. This frozen pizzas a food group. But it should be allowed in school lunches. Actually, I want to be fair to Cuomo. He actually wound up nailing the Senator down on the question. If she thought frozen pizza is okay in school lunches. She said it was, but she also allowed that the sauce shouldn't count as a vegetable which had come up earlier in her career. It's good to know. Senator Elizabeth Warren also handled a bunch of questions from Harvard students, but also regular old undergrads who were raised by humans like Jacob Dwyer from Saint Anselm college, you'll often been vocal critic of police and the criminal Justice system, both the state and federal levels as a young Masschusetts voter and aspiring police officer. Who's lived through countless tragedies, including the recent murders. Sergeant Gannon of Yarmouth not, sir. Michael Chesney of Weymouth. How can you assure me that you will support legislation that keeps law enforcement safe now allow me to answer this question Senator Warren? You know, countless has no true definition. But the most commonly agreed to definition is too high to count. And that's why you are wrong. The national law enforcement officers memorial fund tracks officer fatalities going back a couple hundred years and since seventeen ninety one hundred twenty seven police officers in the state of Massachusetts have been killed by gunfire. So it's one every other year throughout history. You wanna talk recent history about one a year on the other hand what we've done in America is weaponized police departments militarized police departments funded police departments to the hilt. So actually the chance of an officer being killed in the line of fire is the lowest it's ever been in the nation's history. Maybe and I'm all for the safety of officers, of course. But maybe it would help if we recognized where civilization has made progress and not just walk around perceiving. We're under assault when we're actually not. Of course, Elizabeth Warren would lose if she said that even though it's true. What you did say was more gentle and not confrontational like me. Emma, jerk Muhoza podcasts. She's a politician and she talked about reform. And in fact, she talked about one of the very officers that the student had mentioned. Vans. Tragic death in Massachusetts. I wrote an op-ed with his parents about asking for our leaders across this country to step up and pass them sensible gun safety laws. Clearly Booker was not invited to the town hall. Get he was present in a way that didn't really reflect well on the Senator scissor jumbo sophomore at Harvard. You can tell from sweatshirt from New Jersey studying environmental engineering sweatshirt are Java. He's is a former interim for Senator Cory Booker says he's currently undecided on who to support in twenty twenty somewhere from a house in Newark Accrai of no, JIMBO. No could be heard Senator comma haras showed up. I don't know that she put any more meat on the bones of the proposals that she offered in her. I n townhall. She actually ran into a little bit of trouble during that one because she endorsed version of Medicare for all that might eliminate all private insurance and she had to walk that back a little bit last night. She. Aided closer to the vast. She said this this because it doesn't end there. She also said this I will also say this. I guess you have to tell us that tell you that goal recession. I'm really interested in having that conversation there's talking and there's doing Senator Harris has a habit of talking about talking about what you'd like to be doing mayor Buddha. Djidji was in the house. Of course, he was he went to Harvard like everyone else, they're Buddha. Jit one point gave the normal politician answer about the economy of the future, citing exceptional initiatives. That are just that exceptional. They're the exception. Meaning they're not easy to scale take for instance, this one where he addressed the loss of manufacturing jobs. We can make trade work for our communities. One of my favorite examples, actually is a union auto workers UAW facility in Saint Joe's of county where I live that is making electric vehicles for a startup based in Silicon Valley where the funds and a lot of. The investment came from China, which is a nice anecdote, but how replicable is it on a large scale as policy which is what I was thinking until two sentences later when Buddha said this that facility, I was telling you about making electric vehicles, even though they're planning to make something on the order of thirty to fifty thousand cars does it with hundreds of workers, not thousands, or tens of thousands the way it used to work in the Studebaker days when when south bend was an automotive center that part's not going to change so manufacturing can continue to grow stronger in this country. But it's going to be less and less labor intensive less and less human beings on the floor per dollar of output, honest. It's accurate it contrasts with all the big beautiful jobs coming back. Just tired of winning Bernie was at the event Senator Bernie Sanders actually showed a sense of humor next question. Gabriel cedar sophomore at Harvard studying government from Minnesota. Gabriel highs under what is one thing that you have changed your mind about recently. Nothing. I've been consistent for just going. And then he offered what headlines on CNN said. And these headlines got play everywhere. The perfect answer on the question of should we impeach Donald Trump? If and this is an if if for the next year year and a half going right into the heart of the election all that. The congress is talking about is impeaching Trump and Trump from Trump and Mullah Mullah Mullah, and when not talking about healthcare when talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage when not talking about combat climate change when not talking about sexism, and racism, and homophobia and all of the issues that concern ordinary Americans what I worry about is that works to Trump's advantage. So I don't know what's perfect about that. The supposition is that an impeachment inquiry will prevent the Democratic Party. From talking about racism, really know members of the Democratic Party are going to talk about racism, again, if Donald Trump is impeached, you've been to the online part of America. Right. You know? I bet actually this would be the most compelling argument for impeachment to the exact mythic persuadable former factory worker in the midwest. If you tell that guy the out of work machinist from Muncie who was persuaded into the Trump column, if you told him we'd be embarking on an experiment, where Democrats won't be talking about racism, and he'd be saying wait, I don't have to hear fights over who is the biggest homophobic for the whole election. If the Democrats just go for impeachment. I will have to think about impeachment. So that was not in fact, a perfect answer. But Bernie Sanders give a perfectly Bernie answer. He was asked should prisoners not ex-cons people currently imprisoned. Should they get to vote? And the example suggestion suggested by. The questioner was the Boston bomber. Should he get to vote? And Bernie said yes to this New England audience Bernie said that joke arts should be voting. I guess until he's executed in the federal prison where he's serving his death sentence. Putting aside the specifics, and I don't think radicalized Chechens turned mass, murderers or demographic that's going to be swinging any election soon. But putting that aside you have to acknowledge that Bernie does not ever say anything other than exactly what Bernie thinks, you know, how all those other candidates. I've talked about it. I'm guilty of talk about it. Oh, they're trying to get to the left of Bernie or not let Bernie get to the left of them. Good luck with that. He wants joke arts of to vote. I mean, the guy's citizen. Let him have his say sure is quite concerned about shoring up the Medicare trust fund. All right. Then Bernie took his next question. It was from actually the son of Sam, David Berkowitz. I believe he has a question for Senator Sanders about soybean tariffs now that did not happen. But remember earlier in the spiel where physicians Lee suggested some honest, but polarizing answers that Elizabeth Warren and Amy klobuchar could've given. But of course, they wouldn't give it because they're politicians Bernie would have given those answers Bernie does give those answers birdie blows my mind. Give star of the vote. Sure, I can't valuate Bernie Sanders on the right or wrong continuum. He's just reinventing the game when asked about would his brand of socialism nationalize industries. Here's what Senator Sanders said I was a mayor of city for eight years that I national is any of the industry in the city of Burlington Vermont. I don't think so you just can't fault that answer Janu great. Yeah. Uber. Uber ni I think the man is in fact authentic, and I know that voters love authenticity thing is he's authentically. Let us just say unconventional. And then you have. Komo Harris's answer to should we let the Boston bomber vote. She said this. I think we should have that conversation because she loves talking about talking. And then there was people digits stance. What do you think should people convicted of sexual assault of the Boston marathon bomber? Should they be able to vote while incarcerated? Yeah. No. I don't think so which to my ears is also authentic, but in this case authentically sensible. It was an informative if a might exhausting night. I did not know that the Boston marathon bomber would get mentioned more than Putin Kim Jong Hoon or Jingping combined. But that's what happens when you get five disparate candidates together. No not together that would violate rules. They all feel the questions from a room full of college students. And I think we now all share in the belief that the children are the future teach them right and dissuade them from meeting the neighbor's livestock. And that's it for today show Pierre Biennale Daniel freighter produced the gist could brainstorming session about movies where the titles are alive like unbreakable or a simple plan. Full suspects made the list. Raphael, senior producer of sleep podcasts. She called us out for stealing. A Lionel huts joke with the never ending story thing. But you know, what if you're gonna steal steal from the worst fictional lawyer who couldn't possibly defend you sign up for the gist newsletter. It's at slate dot com slash gist. News rundown every show that week. We'll also answer a trivia question. Which means we have to ask a trivia question. And it's this and the CNN townhall, Elizabeth Warren claim she got something in the mail. How does the thing she got in the mail relate to another Senator Alan Simpson? Former Senator Alan Simpson and Elizabeth Warren current Senator Elizabeth Warren connected by something Elizabeth Warren, just got in the mail. What is that thing? How are they connected? The gist committed to perpetuate the Nebraska real estate bubble by any means necessary. Debra do Peru. And thanks for listening. And now the spiel five presidential candidates who were probably already in there. Yeah. You know, just give that to the people. 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337: The NOs of Dating

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We're back thank you guys for for all your messages notes and enthusiasms Bass Being Honduras But let's get the business. 'cause it's it's about the love business. This is a very important week. It's a Valentine's lanes. We Romantic Week. My parents This week are celebrating fifty years of marriage And my mom. I was asking her. How did she know when she was dating my dad that he was the one and she was like on the first date? He shut up to the House and he had no sought fine with his shears and she thought that was very sexy. Stylish severe silence because that was like the that was nineteen seventy nine because they David in the sixties. It's like you're done you're draper basically move don draper So what we wanted to do. We haven't done a nose in the whilst we want to do the no. We're dust off the nose franchise do the knows a dating. because there's a rich repository of stories you guys can access which we saw on social That you so generously sent us but before we do that maybe we should do like a little little bit of like our personal knows dating Jamie because And I think you're dating someone right now aren't you what's his name. You said it earlier. I think we've probably approach dating with a different sensibility When you were twelve when I was twelve I had a specific set expectations I needed? But why don't we go through a couple of our nose to set the standard for what we're expecting. Okay so I've gone on a lot of I our state's first and only dates. I don't think that's about me. I think that's about them. Yeah right you call him. You call As I've been on a lot of d-fs end so I my first name is just listen. Don't be stupid on a first day. Yeah so quick. A quick rundown beyond Tom like not being late. That's so stupid that you're late to a first day Not your phone being on the table. don't listen. I believe your telephone. Shut me on the table anytime no matter who you're with yeah don't talk about politics on a first date unless you're literally literally working in the White House and I specifically ask you about. What is it like to work in the White House? The counterpoint is a little bit of a Leroy Jenkins moved. Just feel like we're going to do politics six and if we're good that's quite a six nations and abortion here again if you're on the same page like you're in. It's you know like you need the days three or four five. You don't think you don't. I think you can keep dating somebody who's lake beliefs were different than yours If they're if they're big time different no I don't think what if they were like. You don't think you could marry remember number Mary. And what's his face that like one of those Republican and one of them's hold on James Call James Carville Cajun. What's her name Mary Madeline? That was a poll. That was good for us. Yeah I don't know if the name honestly You were the funny thing is when you're saying no phones. I was just thinking when I was dating Ashley Like we did not have owns they did. We did not exist. And we didn't talk politics. I'M GONNA say like for I states. Watch your hands on my hands onto me. Okay okay. If so there you go if not keep yourself like is that a is that an overt invitation or is that he's got to read the tea leaves. I listen. My Tea. Leaves a very autumn in Iraq. And so listen. I'm the Queen of Innuendo out of our state. I'm like they just got bleeped. And we're back and everything's fine. Nothing provocative with moving on. Don't put your hands places that I have not indicated that I would want them but one of mine is Dating in public no PDA. I don't WanNa see PDA. I don't want you guys love each other. I don't what about in movie Look don't look at me anyway for everything and if if you were being Thoughtful Yeah I'm okay with that if I'm looking for it that's my problem. I should be paying attention. Moved actually really. Is your profit is I. Don't look for that though no. PDA though but if you WANNA fight in public. I'm here for that. So let's do that. So that's the thing I wanted to for that watching couples fight in public might be like like the fifth American sports where my favorite fights happen. We're COSTCO OH flake. There is a there is always somebody in the relationship who is pro everything at at Costco fro the bulk cheese. Then there's the other person's like we're just coming here for deals on things. We actually need a we do not need this patio yeah. We don't need a sandbox. We don't even have children talking about. I will see your Costco. I will raise you KIA. Oh that's what it is is because guys bring their own sensibilities to the equation Asian. And we just don't need to. We don't need to. There's a part of it. It's like we're going to have to put this together and this heaviness is gonNA kill us. See that the putting together doesn't bother me but like for the first five years we were married I was like I need to be on these decor choices like I need to speak my truth into the situation because my truth is the truth right now right and then I was like no terrible taste. Nashville's okay great. So yeah I don't know what it is yeah Another one no big romantic gestures because the relationship at all ever know at all ever because bigger antic gestures are having giant car with wheels. You're compensating for something silly really tiny. Oh you're not doing ongoing romantic work. Yeah that's right. You're not doing doing the average. Just do repairs on the H.. Vacuum need put your hard hat. Ron Pack your lunch. Do that love work clock in boom nine to five you start you. Want to renew thousand. Who or something? But that means you haven't been doing the nine to five and if you renew your vows you're getting divorced like just now that that's like science. I eh fill a genuinely feel bad saying that. But it's the truth since we'd names and her husband on the bachelor are GonNa get divorced in the next five years because they need their vows in in the worst they renewed it on the bachelor not even on their wedding anniversary about a double curse. It's ridiculous right. Well MY NEXT ONE IS I. Listen there is a difference when you're dating there is there's a difference between being a good steward of your money and being cheap okay. Okay now I abide by like all the first date. I would like the gentleman to pay to offer to pay for the meal. Yes and let me decide after that. Let's figure it out. I don't think the guy should always pay on the first date that I like the chivalry of guy he's ass issue out. I feel like he should pay. That's right and I look and I can pay. Listen I got my money's I can pay for this chilies dinner. Yeah but I want you to pay for the first one and then let's work it out. I don't WanNa put that on him but like this idea that I went out at once with the guy who literally brought to coupons ask if they could stack on the Italian alien dinner that we were eating off. Can you name the place all garden. No that was a fancy place. There's like a local place spun back from a child. You know then they sold at the elementary. So we've met the only man to ever use in redeem those coupon books. Congratulations I know and I did not go out with him again because I was like. I'm sorry if you just hadn't double stack ones. That got away. They they would let him. They said only one coupon visit. And do you have no dignity asks for the freaking manager but however my my friends and she will she will embrace this my friends Katie and layups. Who are happily married? He used a coupon of the state and they got married and have a kid good for them. I'm not I'm I'm not against coupons. It's it's really a sensibility thing. I'm not I don't know like I'm not necessarily a feminist or super chivalrous. I just I don't want to Auburn east of Lake. Should you pay your. Should I pay or should I pay your should or should I hold the door opener. She you hold the door open. I was going to do those things now. I've been on a date. Where a guy like he was like? Do you can pay like I. Just do the natural like it's got an ulcer listening to uranium was like okay and that was that did did he do the no. No no no no no I I would. They're probably liked him to fight harder on Mobile Jamie. I'M GONNA be. This is tricky tricky. Tricky I would be curious what listeners saying like how do you have certain feelings about Lake and and obviously that is very like traditional like female God relationship curious about other relationships. Like how do you handle it. Is it like who's taller or who just seems to have a nicer wallet. Yeah whatever like. I don't know how you figure that out in all relations I don't like it I just I would. I would risk going bankrupt upped to not have to deal with. I should've asked twice. I would I would let you go bankrupt if I would let a god go bankrupt if they would just like. Because I don't want to add I I don't need to pay to just feel valuable. Yeah but I also don't want us to double up coupons her pay sometimes so that we can have like a hostess that there's a sweet spot there I agree I agree with you. If you're doubling up coupons it's not you're not in the sweet spot I can guarantee also dumped clingy. This is for ladies and for men might date now in the the future. Look I decided to proceed with the guy that I'm seeing now which is very casual. It's no big deal. You said his name earlier and he I have been like look. You cannot be all up my call log. I just can't handle it. was He open your DNA. Oh my God the most fun I've ever had in my life on the show I I was like because I did have a guy that was texting me like four or five times a day too much just like. Hey what's going on no question. This is a yes or no situation the text me to say hey. I'm going to pick up dinner. What would you like exactly like what would you buy me to get from this restaurant? Essay questions port for for no it would just be like and then if you didn't rip hot look I cannot to handle somebody who follows up and is everything okay with us. Are we cool. Oh Gosh are we cool because I did not respond to. What are you doing doing in the middle of a work day? This is why I'm so glad I got married when I was eleven because This is I'm like Tommy Lee Jones and no country for old men right looking at this like tinder and texting and Selfie. I just couldn't live here. I'm so glad I'm here. Yeah no it's true. It's tough and I would just say if you're dating now. I mean I know a lot of people are like at plus. I don't put so much pressure on dating. Like don't daydream about what snack. Don't sit with this guy at like chick-fil-a after going to the the movies and don't look at him in me like I wonder what our kids are going like. Just be present in the moment vacuum. You take the pressure off yourself because I know a lot of you're listening and you're single single and I know that you're like well if I don't get married my life is over it's not gonNA think marriage is not like the end all be all of your life you you love love marriage but just because you don't have someone you're attached to you understood anybody that doesn't it doesn't make or break S. right all right so so all you. True love waits survivors. Like me. Like I've also had a breakthrough this year of going because for a long time it was like you date to mate because that's a concept leftover from true love waits eight and now I don't have that anymore. Yeah what's a lot more fun dating. Oh I'm sure going out with somebody. And there's no expectation of like well if we eight of these dates or we go into these days we have to move toward serious then. Yeah I know we don't we really don't we can still have a good time this courtship just having a good time together I have kissed I have kissed kiss dating a bad Kabbah. That's the fun part about evanger. Culture was this whole like courtship is like frigging dope. You guys does not know anything you were doing before electricity. I'm not interested in. I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm not like there's just me we've made path that we have moved very beyond that. Okay that's our personal knows. They were expensive exhaustive. In really good I think. Why don't we get to you? Guys gave us so many good personal stories of knows. Why don't we talk a little bit about okay? I that we have Taylor K.. Ruth said once dated a guy I thought was funny. Witty and quirky eighty around the same time I discovered thirty rock and quickly realized he was ripping off jokes. One liners and stories from Tina Fey. And that in a way where he quoted the show but in a way where he presented things she said. It's something he had come up with. I had fallen for Liz Lemon. You're not the first person WHO's developed a love affair with Tina fey. So don't feel bad. I mean who doesn't love. I mean yeah who hasn't fallen for. Oh I have always had like a comedy crush on Tina Fey all right I totally understand. I'm a bit confused though because thirty rock it's a little it's like nuanced it's humor. It's not like super one liner like accessible everywhere friendly. You know what I mean. It's kind of dated. It's so pop culture specific Ya ah because I think there's like there's a generation of dudes who have done the same thing but like with anchorman. old school wedding crashers if they've spread it out so it's not like a single character her but I think like I don't I don't hate us move because the one on the often. She never saw thirty rock. This guy's a genius. This guy's a comedy genius. You're safe but what happens. Happens when you're married ten years and all the things that made you fall in love with the sky are suddenly on net flicks on a Thursday night. or He's like trying to hide thirty rock pleasure or if you pull up thirty rock on the list no hate that show. Well then you're just like I am married. Someone who appreciated great comedy you know. That's how I did a guy who constantly quite a lord of the rings and he thought it was because we had seen Lord of the rings together. That's an issue move. May He'd like read all like he was like he was like Stephen Colbert on an inter lord of the ring. Yeah which to me. It's too much into Lord of the ring. I don't know like I feel like the movie. Sokoto comedies because they're funny like Lord of the Rings overwrought like serious. Oh it's always always like he was always having a big thought moment like life in the world yeah. I don't know I'm trying to obviously trying to think of a line to quote from northern again because I don't like those movies it's the only thing I quote from Lord of the Rings and I quote it all the time is it's time for second breakfast you shall not pass. Is that Lord of the rings or is that a different wizard movie. I don't want to say all all of wizards like this wizard forward. You know it's like I'm living my life. Also a wizard wizards of waverly really play. This is my favorite memory from the trip from Honduras was telling our compassion. People that the reason you'll like Harry Potter's because the kids are hot enough. You guys we were on a bus and and he's like tell them why you don't like Harry Potter because the kids aren't hot and literally one of the leaders were like maybe we don't say that on social media maybe we never speak of this. I'm like no we just say it to our whole national national audience on our podcast irony. Ju they're therefore D- Shows within the show of thirty rock I was shows Tina Fey made up within thirty rock. Yeah I want you to tell me what the best one is. First dealbreakers That's not super sexy but it is the first name of The the podcast union had together together. That was the first idea you guys hat. That's right the dealbreakers My Fault the Synopsis A short-lived Game Show on NBC. and which homeless people would win money for confessing confessing to crimes. They didn't commit. That was on thirty rock hunter with Will Ferrell a personal favourite and then milk violence which I forgot. The premise and I was reminded is twenty-five Super Hot. MOM's fifty eighth grade boys. The no rules mill island is my favorite. Like it's genuinely. I would watch that right now just so you know okay up next Yell Mayfield Says Imbaba College which Paul here that you already know. We're going to get already ready in Hell Imbaba College. I like the guy but I was very spiritual and very chaste we were in a car late one night and I told him I felt tempted to make out. He agreed he felt the same name. I grasped his hand in Mine and said I know. Let's have a prayer time so I prayed aloud for five minutes then. Excitedly told him the Lord had taken away all my desires it was. It's a miracle with a strangled noise. He agreed to take me back to my dorm room. I was thrilled and he broke up with me shortly thereafter and I had no idea why so welcome growing up evangelical elko guest hosts a deal made it look. It's tough I think as even juggles we all. We're always told to like nothing. Sexual prayed away. You know. Just pray everything away and it'll work down it'll be fine. I do think though playing within the Ballpark of Evangelical Culture which DL has laid out. That we are a good user would say that she was already in trouble because it's late and they're together. Yeah big no. Also she's violating the Billy Graham rule by being alone with opposite sex so like what did she expect was going to like. This should have now look. I was on a date with a Patterson and listen I was this was also the same pastor son that we went to see basic instinct together and had to walk out at the beginning to move. It was tough but he in the the middle of we were making out he was rounding second. He stopped all right. He started driving me home because we're in the car. I don't okay all right the car where he was around executive he stopped. He drove me home and then he prayed the Lord's prayer on my couch. Oh Man I'm on my porch George. He prayed the Lord's prayer on my porch. It's it's it's An and if you're listening and you don't know what evangelical culture you didn't grow up. I can't properly approximate it for you. Because it's like it's living with the typical teenage enthusiasms But also like being bludgeoned over the head of weights ambitious dating by. Why it's it's such A? There's like a bit of an emotional. PTSD leftover when. I see on instagram. Anyone going in each anybody posting. Oh sing about their husband taking their daughter on a daddy daughter date it just gives me. PTSD about going to a banquet where my parents gave me a ring that I would have A. It was a purity ring. Look yes that's no okay there is. There's an unfortunate Acceptance of the parlance of daddy daughter dates dates that don't affect I know but they're still weird and I know you go on them with your daughter has been on one ballet and you can't go and be like I'm here. This is my daughter. But we're not doing a daddy daughter date like we're not doing that. You can't use had to be like okay whatever but we're here like whatever it's fine Also by the way I don't know if people know this deal has a wonderful book. Call the simulator. Go home. I recommend in sexual healing. It's really good. It's one of my favorite people to follow on twitter. She's really great. She's got a book coming on May called the myth of the American dream that if she wants to send me advanced reading incomparably read. Listen to Alfred Copy I'd like to ask versus into me. I okay. I'm next milk and honey nutritionists. The Guy dated in college definitely live life to the beat of his own drum but he was nice decent. We dated a few months and I convince myself I liked him until he surprised me. With sesame street live tickets gets as sophomores in college. Somehow he took our inside joke about him looking like big bird he was six foot six to mean that. I wanted to see childhood character skate on ice live I should add that. He also asked me to my sororities formal by convincing my roommates to let him into our apartment and set up a five senses experiential invitation would what What a rich text here so many things so for me? There's only one appropriate scenario for going to a sesame street on ice denies on the situation And you either have to have kids or sadly like your pedophile. Those only two reasons. You go to that so other reason why you would. There's no like hot date eight. Let's go war I think he was a pedophile and Sheba's his beard. Now we're getting somewhere in China. I think if you're going to go to those the only way to go and like it'd be kind of fun is like you're on mushrooms. They can acid trip. Oh yeah now. That's interesting if you're on drugs for sure you've been to like a dizzy or says shooter. Nice Oh yes with my nieces. Okay see I've been with my kids. It's like there's a lot of colors here and like the heads of has things that light up and they're spinning so now you're like on a heavy dose of whatever. THC whatever you that's my favorite. My favorite scene in knocked up is win. Rogan Paul. Rudd go to delay and mushrooms right like like in another life. I'll be like I WANNA do that. That would be Can I ask you a question about so. The the the occasion of the says Westernized is built upon him being labeled big bird right How do you feel what if you're dating meeting someone and like he had a very condescending nickname for you? And he built a job you built up a data plagued called me and 'cause I ran like an e. Yeah so then you went to Disneyworld and went gawk section. You like isn't this great cause you call me a frigging walk. Would you be with that now. I can call myself in Iraq but a guy who wants to date me. Yeah can I call me anyway. I was like this guy a boomer esiason himself and be terrible days. That's just this brain not being fully developed. 'cause they were just sophomores in college. Do see like the heart is willing but the the mind is not able to intellectually pull off at. It doesn't know this is a man who who had like a like a progressive dinner sexual experiential. Invite to her formal. What we're where the FA- What do you think the touch was for the five senses because the smelling is the one that troubles me? Well it's we're what am I gonNA have to stick my hand in my roommate's mates to leave. Why why couldn't they have been here? I don't like that I think this is a guy probably watches the movie ghosts and like it brings them the climax. There's so much going on so I was just like there's so many sense I don't like it okay. Next live Kaminski's I dated a guy who ate the entire wing when we would get them. Meet Miro phone all of it. Major Red Flag. I should've taken it as Assad. Unfortunately we dated for three year live. What is your problem? What are you doing? Wanted to date a serial killer for three years this do you remember the KFC commercial like from a few years ago. Where one guys like I the bones like the chicken so good that he eight? The bone panicked about it physically could eat bone. You can eat anything Jamie frigging just so you know Asked every Dahmer. You can eat anything into you. You're on a date your vibe and it's so good yeah you're out of buffalo wild wings but don't worry about that like it's a really good date is it worse if someone's like my gosh. I ate the bones or if the guys like now to the bones my favorite part of this meal. What troubles you more? I think it's that but now like you're out you're not ready for the desert of the bones or sawing bones off to chat if you accidentally ate it and you're like God that's what who who says I wanNA make a good impression of all know who it is it's the sky because live dated him for three freaking years. Have you have wings like four times a a year minimum metal. You're watching me bones. I think it's funny. How How we all kind of agree so constantly on how food eating should go? Yeah but we all are on on the same page about self so when someone departs from that and violates that social contract were like what's going on it's like when Aaron Rodrigues frosted mini wheats. It's like it's not that big of a Gorlic. What are you doing differently about her? If you were whistling they ate an apple and ate it and then also at the core of the stem. Now you know what I would be like you. I got a headache. I have to go need to leave. Now I think if I was lived are would've ratcheted up the stakes to see how like vivid this was I would give them ribs. CV's ribons ribons Turkey leg cartilage and bone. I want to know what this is. Win is too much bone. Yeah when does he say when my Gosh Okay Ginny Aiken Berry said as I I was kissing my date goodbye at his house on his porch he stopped abruptly grabbed a shotgun and killed a squirrel that was in a tree nearby then he looked at my shocked face and said what the that's a good meat he's assay we didn't see each other again and I'm from Florida. Obviously I thought I'd read every Flannery O'Connor story but Essay we found a new one here who said ours squirrels actually good meat quote unquote. Good meat. I don't think squirrels are good me. I'm not They're adequate adequate. Meet if desperate. It's a tree rodent right. We understand. That's right That doesn't sound great. Also like I'm not gonNA owner owned the most guns here Erin does dealer it on do you ever. We know what to defend yourself your house. What do Accu live you live? You don't even defend your now down to Jesus. I guess I'm not here to fight the baseball bat. I use it high school captain America Red White and blue very detailed security system. Okay Yeah I've got literally literally the sheriff's Department is to block over okay. So that's good. That's what you so you still got a strategy. I feel like if you use a shotgun on a squirrel. I don't know enough about ballistics confidently talk about this. But I feel like there's a lot of pellets the meat to the wind and there's a lot of meat on that Squirrel to begin with I've seen the score before I don't know I think he was trying to be like my guns ends big This was a way for him to have an excuse to pull out a gun. My gun is huge. Watch me murder this rodent tree. Yeah Okay did you pick up on. It is Florida Boorda's anything goes but as you pick up on. She was dropping him off at his house or she was kissing him on the front porch of his house. Oh Yeah My. My supposition here here is that he's on house arrest because he can't dry for anywhere and they have to stay at his house also. He has shotguns on his porch where he murders squirrels. I think he's on Probation Rebecca sad and he did not marry this person Brady teeth as my aunt sent me up on a blind date. He lived with his mom and drove a minivan. His favourite show With teen MOM is this. You does she go. He told me you throw shade at me but this Jason Waterfall Waterfall. You don't even know he'll be three. Main hobbies. Were professional wrestling. Roller coasters and hot sauces slash different flavors. Different flavors is not a hobby and it is now clear that my aunt doesn't love me all right so when you were asked what your hobbies are and one of your answers as Saas different flavors. That's tough to overcome not gonNA along given you professional wrestling. I would've let that stand exactly. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with minivan. That is an economical choice. The doors slide. It's the minivan. If you don't have children room for activities there you never know either wanting to make out with people you're dating or people you you pick up because you tempt them with candy. There's no way a single person should be driving a van rollercoasters those are great. They're amazing T- mom that's a great show. That's a great show rate show. It's a great show but is it your favorite favorite show but it's a good show. I'm biased did Ashley and I live close to macy book out from season. What yeah we did? I might a brag about that but we did also was gary from teen mom on teen mom. Yeah he was he was really good on it. He's perseverance scary from T- mom on teen mom because you can't just say Gerry knows who's Gary we talked about guarantee. Mom Oh I know exactly who. You're talking about that Brandon pay. Her Guy would have said yes. I know who Gerry is. Do you want to guess. How many instagram infowars? macy from team mom sees one has I would say hundred thousand. Oh Jamie you sweet naive baby. What are you even talking about? Four point two million Eliane milliion. Do you want to guess how many gary from teen mom or gears you like to call him a million he has one hundred twenty thousand not as many. But that's okay. Can I read you as bio okay. Three words tender chicken. Come on come on. He definitely shoot squirrels with a shotgun. Maybe this guy like does does how one's episodes in minivan it's like cash itself but hot ones as well. Oh so somebody who gets in the van is going to eat some wings bone and all I hear some hot look. Aw just here. We got an entrepreneur. Here that's like my aunt. One time at Christmas family reunion. She showed me a picture of a person and are found that she wanted to set me up with and when I was like how do you know this person. She's like Oh that's my cousin. 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I ran outside his apartment. And I've ommited everywhere. I came back inside and had to quote use the back claim and continued to vomit everywhere. At which point. I assumed I'd ruin everything so I came out and I told him he just looked at me and said guess I won our love when to any Graham. Threes get married. It's fun now married. He's now her husband So first of all shouts to Casey's husband for having of cookie remix to make seventeen Cookies I think most people only have enough to make like six so the fact that he had tripled the amount. You're these cookies I'll well. That's the question. Do you think you would vomit. After even have cookies I would not says cookies. Oh see this made me feel sad is. I'm like a eight. I'm GONNA eat cookies tonight. Eighteen new problems. But yeah like I'm there. I'm GONNA be honest. Casey and her frail husband are. They're both rail because they can't the fact that they're almost bombing. That's a tiny person. Who's he's Frail Casey? Are you always cold. Gosh come on guys you need some meat on those bones How do you feel like what what if you're dating his? Obviously this worked out. Well I eight they vomit in front or she in front of him Is there like a traditional window of light. I know vomit within the first you know three days or something like right now. We're not gonNA hit it off. I'm not gonNA vomit at all. Have you vomited. I Don ever a really NOCCO vomited. Maybe as an adult. Yeah maybe once once in your life yes maybe one you are a frigging lying right now. You know what I do it because when you wake up and you feel nauseous. Yeah oh I like. Don't move also in your in what you're presenting to me. Which I love is the predatory that's right here like if you just lay still try the the volume will be like well? Don't want here to a rock. Plus I don't eat anything that's GONNA. What are you doing to vomit making people rom? That's true you have not working l. too hard. I can tell you that that makes people vomit in respect. You have a very childlike pallet. So these are not ambitious foods when we were hundreds and they deep fried a full it all gets you delete it mate. What a great moment is to cc that fish to see you stare that fish fish there? You Know I. I turned that plane around so that the odds were facing our little boy that sponsored by the way Christopher eight the head didn't he blame my man ripped into that thing no shade no like no comet summit took it into his hands and ripped it apart and he just went right to. We'll say the problem is not the vomiting. I my problem in dating is I am the competitive very competitive. Yeah and so I went to like a Texas holdem. As as we all did we all went through Texas holdem for the effort. You talking about like poker was on TV all the time. Don't poker hopelessly know what you're talking about. I'm saying I didn't imagine this for you guys sunglasses. Nobody told me God you were glasses. But I did have like the thing you lay got on your table so that everybody can have their own cup holder. Things and there was a guy who literally stopped flirting with me because he said you're vicious called called me this. He didn't like that. Yeah he thought that was an insult. has an secure dude. That's right Mikey you come with me. We play Texas. Hold 'em you can lose to me. I've always said this if actually ever wants to make much more money than me. Great with it gray with it. What's wrong with that? I don't understand God's who get so tinder about like not being the best of the video game. Why is tiny beaten US trying to be decent? Okay any Schnackenberg said I once dated a guy who wouldn't let me talk to him while he it was driving because he was always thinking about how to position the car to best. Protect me if we got hit he was also super into crab McGaw for no real reason. Any we didn't need that last sentence we we knew going on. Have you ever done no but I did have a guy. Take me to cross fit on our first date. ooh read the room. Read the room there if nothing about me that says you know what she wants to let the truck tire I think he just wanted you to watch him and look he looks good doing well. I I will give it up for that I think it's amazing. Guys will do to avoid emotional feelings conversations. And if that's the case a point here I think what a what a emotional flexibile like like babe. I can't right now because like we might get T. bones and I need to know how to protect you. The difference of drawings that precious to me I want to thank you. Want one honor you. Okay next. L. Catherine Smith I met a Guy Online and dated him for five months without knowing his last name. We did the awkward first date that followed by awkward second through Seventh Eighth. I only ask him his last name via text before eight but my mom and asked me if I wanted to go see frozen with her a second time and when I realized I'd rather do that than go out with him I I broke up with him via text right under the tax where I finally learned his last name. Okay so I look I think frozen was a really good movie and it deserves to be seem to time so we can't underplay that Shar that's worth seeing again. Of course I do feel like there's some holding story though because there are a lot of problems with the store. Okay like this so I went back and looked this tweet. Thirteen thirteen This wasn't the industrial revolution. So he was online. That's how the mets right. And guess what people you should stop the person you're going out with online this idea that you're like no we should do. We should handle it like we would handle it in the nineteen hundred. Nope we couldn't handle anything like we did in the nineteen hundred literally. Nothing literally nothing like we need to handle this like. You're going to stalk somebody I'm not saying that you have to like like lurk for hours days and like try to gather all the information but yes you need to look at someone's profile are just you don't even have to just know their name. You can know and you should know my theory. Honestly is that she's been catfish by somebody's he's not really good at catfish or care. Much Cat Fisher well. Let's just see the math on this. She said they had been dating for five months and they don't them seven dates. That's a math. That should've told you you didn't like him. Yeah that's that's going out every three weeks. There's a lack of enthusiasm there. Nobody is here for this. Even him he wasn't he doesn't even tell you his last name. That's interesting you either. L. Catherine Smith was worse your day with a guy and he's like You asking his last name. He's like revealed that or he's like molest seems whatever and I like this Wingham meeting on the bones as well what are you what are you more concerned about. I'm concerned about the last name. Won't you tell me Your last thing you know why because we're related and that's why you're not that's the other reason you talk to people online guys. You need check that ancestry dot com truly sir that you are not twisted up some branches from the family tree. Here's the big thing with the bones of the more thing about it. It's less that's the front end. It's you gotTa poop those things out and that my friend is not going to be a nice situation. That's not going to be good now. What if we're making out and you suddenly got a boat that's gotta come out? I like that the the wires got going great. Okay up next Ashley. Stout says one time ago asked me if I wanted to come over to his house for dinner. I told him since. I didn't know him well yet. We needed to go for coffee somewhere in public. I jokingly added so it can make sure you're not a serial killer. Never heard from him again. He also asked me earlier. If I would be willing to take my socks off off in front of him so he could see my feet. I'm still single. Yeah you're single but your ally dead dead and no one has like enjoyed. Enjoyed your toes more than they should have. If you a serial killer like is that do take that is like I'm probably not supposed to be with anybody like I should probably I should probably know. I like data serial killer. But I don't end up like I find out I'm on Sweden scale because like I was dating someone who actually was a murderer. Can I ask you a question. Does episode eighty seven and a eight by the way like if you data serial killer and he never tries to kill you and you break up on her when you be a little like. It'd be little because you never tried to be murdered. Yeah but there'd be a part of me that was like like I'm sorry I not get high enough and thinking about killing me. I'm not GonNa Fetish for you to murder like Sarong with me. It would be a little. It'd be like you're glad you survived but you're also a little sad bums okay. Up Next Chelsea reads book says a Guy Dated in college when timely family never to meet in a romantic way and he whispered the fray sweet muffins into my ear. He seemed impressed with himself. And I was supercomputers and asked what he was talking about. He seemed surprised that I didn't know what he was talking about. Finally we determined that he thought this was a romantic thing to do because he had heard about whispering. Sweet nothings into to your lover's ears and I thought the phrase was sweet muffins. This is not the Guy Mary to now. Look there's not a lot to add here. I just the thing I want to appreciate here. Here is we actually have a lot of like compassion for this guy Just trying to figure. He has gone on. He's googled. He's trying to figure it out. Nobody read it to quit because he was swiping on his phone and he was in review and he didn't have a good sense of and then he's just like Sweden look. I've no respect for this guy because if you're gonNA say some you know I know why are you saying it was it was about to happen. Listen do we are we okay with Chelsea using the term lover in this in this comment. Oh I didn't notice that your lover's ear ear. Well that's true. You think Chelsea calls her husband now her lover. Maybe I mean if he's Taylor swift like look. I think so. Many of our stories that we got were like like Some something terrible happens now remarried right. It's like On my first date actually gave the sky polio. And now we've been married for eight years. Twelve thousand it gives you whatever like this is funny is great. I love it but like the Chelsea subverted that template by like I am not married to the benevolent idiot featured in married to sweet wheat Mafia did not procreate. He did not someone different. I don't like the normalization of lover by Taylor's live I. It's not like it but I don't hate it. Do you know what I mean. I don't no no you need. I like watching people. We only want lovers after pepperoni pizza. Lovers just made me think of gross hot tubs in hair. You know what I mean everywhere. Okay all right next. Hanif era. Next and last buckle up buckle up y'all you're not ready this one's long Biz worth every every every word. I had just started dating the sky. We weren't even dating just getting to know each other. He was falling hard and I was trying to figure out if I even liked him. He invited me to go paddle boarding. I just started my period the morning we plan to go but that was fine because tampons or the bomb just Chekhov's period. Just remember that we were hanging his house. I ran to the bathroom put in a Tampon. And we around the water right after not ten minutes into it. I feel something on my leg Yup period coming down my leg. Is this the normal way people talk about. I'm asking I don't no like this. Not Part of my period coming down your leg but it's like Given like a pronoun like that like it's like a like a character in the story it is. Yeah your period is approach trying to learn just trying to large thankfully he didn't see and I paddled while sitting on my board praying to go back to the house soon. We ended up staying on the water for three hours three hours of hiding my period while in a swimsuit three hours of asking God not to let me get attacked by a shark. We finally get back to the shore and there are shelves everywhere in the sand and he said hop on my back. I'll carry you to the grass. I said no knowing what would happen if I did. He insisted I panicked and finally said I'm on my period. If I on your back I'm GonNa believe on you and we've only been going out for like two weeks. He said Hannah. I don't care I can wash it off. I don't want you to hurt at your feet on these shells just hop on. I refused ended up. Not Hurting my feet. Nearly dying from embarrassment and we're getting married next week. Welcome come to the notebook to what what a story magical. Why isn't this on lifetime? This is listen periods. Do ruin a lot of relationships but also periods bring a lot of people together the silent villain you gotta you gotTa contempt good for them good for them getting you Hannah. I told you when we were recording. I tried to find their wedding registry. So the PODCASTS could buy Mcginn but I couldn't finish your wedding registry. We want to buy you a period. Guys Aren't slogan we're going to buy you just like a red towel or shells and and stuff like that. Okay that's the nose of dating guys. Thank you so much for so many of your comments. I think we pretty much nailed it on what you shouldn't do while you're eating. If your thoughts depends on our thoughts and opinions opinions please let us know knocked Unicom Slash three thirty seven guys a quick break top. 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We we talked about it at length for the in the more you know for best friends of the show on Monday. I don't we have a lot of feelings. I wanted to focus on my red light being red carpet trends. I am concerned that some of these red carpet trends that we saw on Sunday are going to make their way into my target. Okay I don't want to read like them now. The first one pink. I'm not here therefore it. There was so much pink on the red carpet. There was Pale. Pink Blush Picot. Peak peak peak at target second capes part of me likes them a a little bit like a lot of people were wearing. A WIG wasn't aggressive Cape. Listen what was kristen where she was like a lasagna. It was crazy I was here for. I like two. So did Laura Charmaine's she was like it was like one of her best rats. That's a confidence. I don't have these dress well but I just I like the circumstance But I don't think I can pull off Cape mainly because my shoulders slope in a way. That's not sexy but I don't have good shoulders so capes are gonNA fall Off Booker and finally. I'm going to say a hard red light to hair part accents so Lucy Boynton who has managed to hold onto fame because she's managed to hold onto Rami. Malik who you're talking about right now. Lucy Boynton who was in the movie. This is this is tamales is quite a statement for her. I know what was the name of the Queen movie the Queen wrapped so okay. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He was the girl that he dates in the Bohemian rhapsody But in her part she has like A. Bob Didn't her part. She put pearls in her. Part okay no look like lice eggs. We're that's exactly. It looks like doing that. Okay what's your I did look you know. They do a lot of like I couldn't believe this happened at the Oscars or Blah Blah the Click Bait Dolman Don. Winn Gami was like. This is Adam driver's wife and I was like crap. I gotTa See who she is so beautiful. She's really didn't know what she's really. Great yes how hot atom driver is there so private in like a really interesting way Mary Light Is Oscar's Ajay says. Well okay As you know as the world knows trial buff was at at the Oscars because of him and his Kosar Zach they went to present. I don't remember what award it was a they were presenting and Charlotte Zach do the heavy lifting and Zach documentary short or something like that. Yeah I think you're right. I think you're right Zach A probably because of the immensity of the moments because because he was reading because there are so many people there he took a beat took a pause and shy. It kinda helped him but didn't like condescend him and then when Zack like really really soaked the moment kind of laughed at him a little bit not in a bad nature way but in like a is my friend crazy people twitter. They're trying to cancel shy now. They're saying thing he's Anti-people Down Syndrome and it's like you guys come on charges being a good friend. He's been exactly like his character in peanut house. I would want him to be exactly he let him have the moment. Let him be there. Let him figure it out on his own. Let Him Stumble for second and then figured out. I thought it was a great moment. I love shy even more after watching shy. Chhaya was a delight. You do right now. I just figured this out. I'm cancel the people who are trying to cancel Shah. They just got cancer that just got cancelled to keep. We have to keep canceling. People have died handle ahead of the cancellation. That's exactly right. Yeah what's your green light this week. Oh my goodness so guess. Who listened to the Audio Book of Open Jessica Simpson? Then you guys. I had pre ordered this book so it is. I like the physical book to you but wait what capons is a friend of the show. She recommended listening the audiobook. Free audio a never. Listen audiobook. Yeah because I'm add survivor and larvae Because I can't remember what happened and so but I was like. Oh It's Red Jessica ask something. Oh and Y'all it is. This book is juicy. Yeah no one is spared. Nobody If you watched newlyweds back in the day this is your job. If you've ever listened Jessica Simpson Music. This is your vodka you've ever owned a pair of Jessica Simpson shoes or a handbag. This survived discarded everybody in the world. Listen I and this book is so good and weirdly enough. It is like juicy. Yeah she's spills. A Lotta T. but it's also like genuinely wake but you feel really inspired during certain parts of it. My favorite part was where she's talking out that she did not have a pre-nup would make sure that's an interesting whole thing on the phone. Yeah terms terms. She doesn't really. I don't think anybody does. She speak like horribly about their couple people but they deserve it but not nick. She's just like look we were married. It was great. He honored like speaking of true. Love waits she didn't have sex before she got married to him. He respected that she respected that he did and but she was like. We should never have gotten married shrike. Whatever but when they had they didn't have a pre-nup cast question do you think they'd never pre-nup because just seems like I don't know who's GonNa take off here and I think exactly right Oak? That's exactly right because at the time at the moment they got married he was bigger than Sheila. Yeah but man that turned around fast did look because of newlywed right. Listen you fall in love with Jessica's because you're like this girl is correct. I remember what she had surgery. That's my favorite episode. Ever because I was like oh I'm never getting because secretly our seeing this either. Thank you for taking the book. She says they thought about the how much money she was going to give him and they wanted to give him a million dollars and nick wanted twelve the million dollar negotiating bright and she. Her Dad was adamant that they were not going to give him more than appeal over a million and she was like dad just given what I wanted over. Yeah I want this over. Give him whatever he wants. I promise I will make the money back in the line in the book is and then I did give or take a billion ooh wow a her best year of Simpson her lawn it. It did a billion dollars in sales. That's amazing what percentage of the book is Horse S. word versus like like try would say there's some solid parts where you're like. There's no way this is true. This only makes you look. Good is the one I saw was like. She was offered the notebook and then she refused and then found out. Ryan Gosling got it. There's no way here's the thing. Well she wasn't GonNa play Ryan goslings part like she was sad opposite now where she's going to be like the mom Rachel McAdams now now now now I do think like thinking about we think about the no big now differently than we think about the new book. Then don't do not do. This aren't hindsight twenty twenty spammy because there's no universe the personality Simpson Rachel McAdams is at this point. No one knows He Ryan Gossiping is at this point. They have not had big movies. Come out before you not tell me I did not know Ryan Gosling. You did not know Ryan Gosling for the became health club. He was left defensive back on. Remember the tight. Go back with the N.. T. turned around. He was like I'm not the best player someone else should get that. But it's not like you went like oh I'm going to see this because of these two people people nobody knows who these stand that. But you're making his name was Ryan Gosling. I know that you're making a leap to be like. Because no one knew these people just Simpson Simpson is a similarly competent actress. That is a falsehood. I cannot abide you. I will not buy. This book is not this is like what's his face. Okay so this is not like literature. This is not great expectation and wants to be exposed to be true. I want to be a shred of truth. Even half drew that she she was actually offered the role as eighteenth of truth. I will okay. What's your remind Marguerite? This week is movie on Amazon Prime. It's called troop zero grow It is about. It's it's like A. It's like a light comedy drama It's about a troupe of misfits Who Want To? It's Kinda complicated. It can it sounds crazy to explain but the main character wants her voice to be in space for a variety of reasons involves her dead mom. Don't worry it makes sense in the story. But it's a variety of misfits misfit girls and it's one of those underdog stories where it's not just one hundred archaic traits entire under Dr Character. And if that doesn't like Sell for you all you need to know is a Villa Davis The one hundred fifty miles an hour. Jim Gaffe again. I don't normally liked him gaffe again. He's Kinda like the Schlumpy Dad stereotype. I just don't like like that's not what he is in this. He's like this Cajun lawyer Entreprenuer that I love this. And then you got Allison Janney being that. Send send big O B word. I love she can be. She's like What's the what was the movie with Emma stone the help the help. She's like the Black Swan back here. I love the worst in this in a really good way. But it's just the sweetest kindest best little movie was such a big heart. Did you watch it with your kids. yea yes I think there. Yeah little bit. If you're okay with I think there's some language and there's some other stuff in there that you want to have conversations about but I think you can don't quote we on that though watching yourself I would just for you and your heart and your soul. This is a wonderful wonderful movie. Okay Argus can do for this up. So the PODCASTS. And before you remember anytime you do shopping on Amazon make sure to go to Amazon dot com slash shop slash. Though I guess I saw your purchase these are fairly link. Our favorite item purchase using this week was Jamie someone went out and they just bought the movie knives out which we love. Because obviously we've talked a lot about and the more you do that the knives out has been in the top ten for weeks and weeks and weeks on end okay. it's already been a sequel. It's right there are some people are someone. There are some one-star reviews one serve. You says the movie says illegal aliens are Saint Right and American's are terrible. Hollywood sex again literally does not say that literally be does and then my favorite winstar of you said absolute garbage from pompous self indulgent diligent. Little Man Child. That's actually true. That's literally talking about Ryan. That's that's a person who did not like the last Jedi Boehner's. The last show was a great movie game. Face all right you guys first of all again. Thank you so much for supporting ask. 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Coronavirus: Extreme caution urged by experts

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Coronavirus: Extreme caution urged by experts

"Hello this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis from across the world the latest news seven days a week BBC World Service. Sava's podcasts are supported by advertising. This is the global news podcasts from the BBC World Service Hello. I'm Emilio Liane Pedro and in the early hours of Thursday the thirteenth of February. We're bringing you an insider's view of the corona virus we hear from a woman trapped on a quarantine cruise ship. The major shakeup in the Italian parliament is right wing politician Mattel. Savini faces a trial for illegally detaining migrants however Russian. Good man shot himself dead. In the middle of a packed courtroom and which household name brands have been declared to have an illegal hand in Israeli settlements. And also in this podcast the world does have a carbon budget it is finite and is running out fast another big business pledge to reduce carbon emissions. But this time from an unlikely sector the fossil fuel industry the enemy that does not respect borders words from the World Health Organization's Director General about cove in nineteen the latest strain of the corona virus. Speaking to a packed news conference in Geneva Ted rose at Hanham Gabriel. Who's had a warning? The number of newly confirmed cases. This report from China has stabilized over the past week but that has to be that much to be interpreted with extreme caution shit. This outbreak could go in any the highly contagious virus continues to disrupt lives and events worldwide. Let's go to the. Who Joe Headquarters in Geneva now. Where hundreds of top medical scientific and public health experts have just held a two day meeting our correspondent? There is imaging folks. Sure there are some glimmers of optimism. You heard Dr tendrils there. I mean he's cautioning is asking for extreme caution but there is space feeling that the cases in China when they talk about stabilization. What they mean is that the number of new cases each day that's announced is getting lower and that this is a sign? They hope that they're beginning. To contain it. In China the other bits of what sounds like possible. Good news is that outside China. They're still very few cases almost all of them can be tracked the WHO the U. H. O. knows where they came from most people who've been in China or associated with and in addition the virus outside China doesn't seem we heard to be as aggressive or to move as quickly so that sounds good but before we all relaxed what the WHO is saying is be cautious pushes. It could still could go anyway. People have got to prepare not panic but prepare. It's a delicate line. They have to take. Isn't it because on the one hand they want people to be ready and prepared but they don't want to cause panic either that's right. It's always the. WHO's always in this dilemma. When we get a disease outbreak particularly today with the kind of modern information technology that we have you are I can get the headline or access information? Some reliable much of it. Not at the click the button and it's very very hard sometimes for the. Who to counter to this. Interestingly with the scientists who today they set their priorities for this virus and obviously treatments diagnostics. agnostics looking at a vaccine in the long term are up there in the high priorities but so too is tackling what they call the Info Democ the flood of false information about this virus which is causing people to panic causing cruise ships to be turned away from ports. Even though there isn't a shred of evidence that any body the owner has the virus. Who is trying hard to counter that imaging folks now one of those cruise ships affected has been confirmed as the largest outbreak outside. I China it's in Japan or at least Japanese waters and called the diamond. Princess quarantined in the port of Yokohama. There are thirty nine new cases onboard bringing the a total number to one hundred and seventy five and is quite an operation dealing with the patient as well as those passengers not afflicted by the virus but who have to stay put route one passenger. Catherine Smith told us what it's like being stuck on board we literally. It can't leave our cabins so we go out on the balcony where we had a harbored. Today we're looking down at the dock is very creepy. I counted the ambulances that are sitting out there and there's at least a dozen ambulances ambulances that are just part and then closer to the ship there are two ambulances bitter idly and there's these long Covered tunnel I mike things and there's people in full have car. There's two people in full on military uniform in half mask and a gown over the hospital down when ready actually transport the people that have the virus ambulance all the sirens. Come with three or four emergency vehicles. They come in and they park by the canopy area and then an ambulance will back up. And then appoint a soon the opened the doors and they love the people in and then when the registered Li all emergency beautiful but their siren time again and they drive out and so that's been going on all day it's really disturbing because they know those people are only Dick need as they have the flu. I know this is walking dead and people. Aren't you know zombies. But it makes a real impression on you. All of a sudden. I felt really lonely. Standing out there knows my mask ongoing like this is my world for another week. Since eighty m last Wednesday we were ordered into our cabins. And that's where you stay and you cannot read unless you're under that superbikes group that's allowed out onto certain objects for an hour at a time and there will watch Japanese health officials to make sure everybody's arena rule Catherine Smith. The Italian Senate has stripped the former Interior Minister Matteo Salvini of the standard parliamentary immunity. In a move that means he'll now stand trial for his decision whilst in office to ban rescued migrants from landing at an Italian port during the debate. Mr Salvini leader of the populist anti-migrant League evoked nationalist sentiments say defame defending Italy. It's owner dignity and security is the duty of a politician Titian or a crime that deserves up to fifteen years in prison. That's what I want a final decision to be taken on in this Surreal Debate Matteo Salvini. Our correspondent in Rome Mark Lowen looks at the future facing Italy's firebrand populist sleater. Matteo Salvini is fifteen. Months as Italy's interior minister were defined by his flagship policy to close ports to rescue votes. Prosecutors argued his order last. I July to stop a boat from docking leaving one Hundred Sixteen migrants on board dia conditions amounted to illegal detention. Italy Senate has now stripped the far-right leader of his immunity paving the way for trial for a man who has built his political rise on the idea of protecting Italy from illegal migration a populace to presents himself as targeted by the establishment. This is played into his hands. If convicted Matteo Salvini could face a sentence of up to fifteen years but justice here moves slowly and he might just take comfort from his predecessor. As Italy's populist chief Silvio belus Cooney who had his sentence for a fraud commuted and then made a very Italian comeback becoming a member of the European Parliament Mark Lowen the young generation in India still see the UK as a desirable place to study and it may be that brexit could open the door to more student places as it is. The latest data shows a sixty three percent. Rise is an Indian student visas. Granted by the United Kingdom but with costs running into many thousands of dollars can expect to see a return on their investment from by the BBC's Monica Miller reports for many families sending one child to college requires there's major sacrifices but the Beman as are sending two children to UK. Universities Bava is heading. Coventry University for Architecture fans are there. My brother was also planning for the same. I have my aunt who is an architect there so she wanted to commended me. You gave back this far good actors very good. If you get that exposure. She has a good reason to to be optimistic in the wake of Brexit. EU students will no longer be given preferential treatment when they apply to colleges. In Britain leading international students compete heat on the level playing field. The British High Commission says more than thirty thousand Indian students received higher education visas for the year ending. September twenty nineteen nineteen that's compared to almost nineteen thousand the previous year. Her brother Vall is getting a master's degree in supply chain management at Sheffield Hallam University. He says the British university take all the boxes for him. I recall loses Muslim. I probably is because of the city. It may be the modules Polish if you will the divorce between the United Kingdom and the European Union put a kink in their long term plans right now. My focus is more about my education of two years. But there's no point in getting please maintain my 'cause if I don't have a job I'm concerned about it but let's hope for the best. I Within Two hundred applicants step by this suburban Mumbai Office to meet with recruiters from universities all over the UK and they decorated it with flags from the United Kingdom. A Big Ben Life size version which people are taking selfies with to take some of the pressure off this important moment for these potential students. Now it's not just the students that are looking to go to the UK it's also the recruiters from these universities. That really need Indian students to apply. So it's not just about the student. It is also about the faculty and staff members. Those kinds of challenges would be dead in the coming year. It can have an impact on research recruiter body cautiously from the university. Steve Harper tour says his college is preparing for a potential lawson enrollment. Getting new talent refreshed island from around the world can can make up but then you can take some time. Diplomacy diplomacy experts like ambassador. Raji Bhatia from the think tank Gateway House says that the legal framework outlining the future of UK immigration is unclear but India has had a special relationship with the UK for generations in the likelihood of British leaving the EU. There would be a kind of a gap in the skilled labor skilled personnel in the UK. And in that kind of situation India would be very good Lucien. Consultancy services focused on preparation for international colleges have also been impacted by the rush of students. Wanting to head to Britain past year talked to war. Krishnan is the founder of inspiring education. She says she has seen a shift in interest from the United States birth so us unfortunately it does the perceived thing that you won't get a work visa there's a lot of perception and a lot of fear among students a lot of noise in that space thinking you won't get There's a lot of uncertainty. Let's put it that way whereas UK is definitely giving keeping you that work permit brexit of fog of uncertainty hanging over the United Kingdom for weeks. If not years to come in the meantime students hope Britain will look to a young driven talent from abroad to lead them to a brighter future. Monica Miller reporting still to come in this podcast. Would you meet a deceased loved one if you could using virtual reality how one company is using the technology to try and revolutionize the grieving across international businesses including AIRBNB and Expedia have been included on the UN list of companies without in Israeli settlements in the West Bank which are deemed illegal under international law the UN Human Rights Council report was requested in twenty sixteen and so long delayed. So how important is it now are Arab affairs editor Sebastian. Usher told me more. This is being announced just a week or two after The trump Middle East peace plan was finally unveiled an in that plan. Essentially it gave the green-light Israel to annex for settlements. Now this has been a long long standing international element of of the status quo. Vote whatever anyone says about. Israel settlements are internationally regarded as illegal. It hasn't been challenged but now that has essentially been through this peace plan so from a Palestinian perspective. This is welcome. Welcome that this has appeared now because sense it gives them a feeling that international unity ms issue still exists but the UN is still holding voting by it for Israel as they've said throughout the process goes back almost four years now. The this is essentially a blacklist that. It's unfair that it's Devoid of the reality situation. As far as the companies are involved AIRBNB. You mentioned now. They did actually withdraw from the Israeli Israeli areas in the occupied West Bank where settlers had been advertising their rooms on being B but under pressure they went back doc in so in the immediate terms nothing much is going to happen about those businesses but the boycott movement will obviously sleet continued to try to target them and that could have some effect on their international reputation which you know is a concern for them. Sebastian assure the new boss of oil giant. BP has set an ambitious target for the multinational to become a net zero emitter of greenhouse gases by twenty fifty Bernard Looney also called for the sector to be reimagined the big challenge for BP is the one that the world faces and that is climate change. But the reality -ality is we are seen by many as a source of the problem and we're still an obstacle to solving it and that's an uncomfortable place to be and and let me be very clear today that I get it. The world does have carbon budget. It is finite and it is running out fast. So who is Bernard Looney. And what's he trying to achieve our business editor. Simon Jack told my colleague. Nigel Cassidy about about him. He is a forty nine year old Irishman he spent most of his career in. BP's oil and gas exploration division which used the heads. And that's the bit that's most controversial controversial if you like trying to find new stuff to burn. And he's setting out what they've described as a landmark speech saying that BP will become a net zero emissions company by twenty-fifty off sooner and say that over time they'll put more into low-carbon and less into oil and gas production for as long as most of us can remember. Oil companies have been the mainstay of people's investments. And yet we keep hearing that The ethical thing is not to invest in these kinds of companies company so BP has to do something doesn't it otherwise it's going to just see us sort of slow decline. Yes there's definitely. A movement among investors is to try and apply pressure on companies to do something about climate change pension. Funds ought demanding that their portfolios are a bit more. climate-friendly Larry Fink. I'm from Black Rock. The boss of the world's biggest fund manager they've run seven trillion dollars in money. They've been writing to these companies saying you've got to do something otherwise you'll financial performance will decline wind. We simply willing to invest in u unless U shape up having said that Shell and BP pace and very very hefty dividends which pension funds. Very much. Like so this guy comes from the inside. Do you think that's an advantage or might be. That sleeping needs an entirely New Vision. That's a good question on. You can apply that to almost any company. The old argument here is that the insides know whether their bodies are and what needs to be changed and clearly. He's got vast experience in the gas exploration field. which is the bit they they need to reduce? So is he going to turn on his old division and start stripping it back. You could argue where his loyalties lie. But I think this is a pretty fundamental reboot. The idea of oil and gas companies saying it's going to be net zero carbon by twenty fifty. I think it's going to be very very difficult. For example they say we're going to cut the carbon intensity if the product's BP cells. Now I didn't quite know what that means but the thing is there's been some real progress made in things like electricity generation that is now thirty percent sent in the UK generated by renewables cold but disappeared. The big problem is gas gas heats. Twenty six million homes in Britain. If you're going to replace all of those that'll cost five hundred billion in pounds by the government saying estimates and that is the biggest challenge out there. So he's GonNa make a defensive gas saying that if you get this thing called Carbon Capture Gotcha and storage which means you capture the carbon at the point. It's burns you can then put into solid and put it in the depleted oilfields in the North Sea. Which by happy coincidence we've got lots solve a near the UK if we can get that right bring hydrogen in because we burn hydrogen? You just get water that could be exported to the rest of the world. Our Business Editor Simon Simon Jack Commentators also making quite a thing of the fact that unusually for global business chief. Mr Looney has started posting on instagram. He's clearly ready to face. As a high level of engagement from industry friends and foes alike next a story that's been dominating Russian media that of a former prison service official official who killed himself in the middle of a courtroom vitale Shevchenko from BBC monitoring the part of the BBC that analyzes other countries media told my colleague League new La- McGovern. WHO This man was? He used to had the road transport department at Russia's prison. Service of this cold seen so shortly after one o'clock Moscow time he wasn't corn true courtroom he was defended and and as the judge was delivering the sentence. This man called Victories video though he pulled out a gun and shot himself right in the courtroom room. Okay lots of questions there. How could he had a gun in the courtroom? Well that perspective. That's a question that's being asked in the Russian needs this. This really heavy strict strict security. You can't just pick up the phone and take pictures of what's going on those metal detectors security guards everywhere on this man. He managed to smuggle a gun into the courtroom room so well. Perhaps there's a way if you are a former official with the prison service also another questioned that there are more questions than is currently another question that's being asked is okay. We know that there's lots of corruption in in Russian prisons. There's lots of torture. Sure what this man have been convicted and he got three years in jail bettas cap. Would this man had have been convicted if he had tried to extort money from an ordinary citizen not a fellow official the prison service again. This is a question into which there's no answer and the details of what happened are quite grim reports that he had advanced onced cancer. Even supporters of the Kremlin of just read a tweet from the head of Russia. Today the new service she she said if you have cancer death is better than serving time in jail. Batali Shevchenko of BBC monitoring virtual reality is already already being used within the medical industry to help. Patients manage physical pain. But could it do the same for emotional pain. One mother in South Korea has used the technology to help for deal with the death of her seven year old daughter by bringing an Avatar version of her back. The newsroom's Richard Hamilton reports. Jiang Jason's daughter Autre Na Yang died four years ago from a rare blood disorder. A production team spent eight months recreating a three dimensional image of now yawn. The documentary called meeting. You has been watched by millions of South Koreans. This is the emotional moment. When they reunited these dating the scene was filmed while the rest of the family watched? And they're visibly upset but John G sunset. It helped her in ahead dream. She said Nah young looked sat but then this virtual reunion she's smiling. The documentary has prompted a debate about the moral and psychological implications of being able to meet dead loved ones while some feel it provides catharsis others think could prevent people moving on with their lives. Elaine Casket Casket is a grief counselor and the author of all the ghosts in the machine the digital off the life of your personal data. This video really needs to be viewed in its Korean context and Korea when someone dies away from home or before their time they can be come a wandering ghost. Ghost is away from home. And the duty of the family is to usher them into the spirit world with the appropriate rituals. It's part of Korean shamanism and this video feels to me like a bang up to date virtual sure reality version of Korean shamanism where this rituals being enacted towards the end of the film. Now young gives her mother a flower and then she lies down saying she's he's tired the to say their farewells. Now Yon Slowly Falls Asleep. She's then transformed into a white butterfly and gently. Floats Away Richard Hamilton. And that's all from us for now to being updated version of the Global News. podcast later and if you want to comment on this podcast cast or the topics covered in it. You can send us an email addresses global podcast. BBC DOT CO DOT UK. I'm Emilio some better the next time goodbye.

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Russillo's New Law

The Russillo Show

1:02:39 hr | 2 years ago

Russillo's New Law

"What up fam- happy thanksgiving, and you can still say that two thousand eighteen thirty. Is there anything in the Atlantic that being offensive there? Probably was but yeah, thanksgiving is kind of a controversial holiday. I think these days. Yeah. Actually. All right. Just enjoy your Thursday. Yeah. There's two that out. Lifts it. Yeah. Yeah. Enjoy your Thursday. We're going to have Jonathan Vilma on and I cannot sleep this last week has been brutal. And so I sent Cerruti the like, I was worried I don't know. I was going to be five and I got into bed early enough a bad NBA slate and watching some of the Arizona game and you're back. What's up wizards? I mean when I saw that score I go gosh the wizards getting work by the clippers clippers team. How about this clipper steam Jeep gritty? So I don't know if that's gonna last with the clippers, but so far so good. And then they blow a huge lead to the team. You should never blow huge lead to the this. Look, just dysfunctional wizards. I I've got you get your wizards content for you don't worry about that. That's gonna come up a little bit later. We may do a mail bag we through the questions out there. So i'm. I'm on a couple of hours of sleep. Again. I don't know what the hell's going on. I woke up the other night at three AM was just a week the rest of the time. So that's that's not a great witching hour scary. Is that what it is three? Am is like the. Yeah. The ghost or whatever supposed to come out when you know scariest hour of the night. You texted me, a what time three thirty my time. Yes. So it was twelve thirty. I'd been in bed for couple of hours. Just wasn't happening. I'd been thrown on those arcs, and I have moments of loving it other moments of frustration. They throw a lot at you. And I also think binge-watching his totally changed the way we consume things like my whole Pam Beesley suck stuff. Now. Everybody's coming around. I mean, everybody the hottest take on the internet. Now. It's seriously every blog everyone's doing it. And it's all because of binge-watching because of Pam Beesley, only sucks for a few minutes once a week until you can watch the next episode of the office. You don't notice it as much, but when you bang out four offices, you go wait this girl sucks. I mean, the thing about Pam Beesley. It's even more obvious. She's on she had to have a second mom on the show. That's her own her first mother on the show hated her. So. Much. They cast a second mom, you know, I don't even need to say anything. I have video of her in the show saying, I'm the worst. I have the worst attitude in the office. I don't even use this stuff yet. So I think Pam Beesley. Just a I think it's I think there's a lot of guys that haven't done well with women that just think Pam Beazley's their peak. And that's that's cool. But I would I would tell the rest of you guys if you haven't done, well, you may not have hit your peak yet, and you can do better than Pam Beesley. So the binging changed the way I feel about certain shows so Ozarks big if you watched tuna row. It's just all my God. Like, how many different plotlines are you gonna throw at me? But then at the same time, I respect the hell out of those arcs and the writers for giving us older sex scenes not discriminating against nude grandparents getting it on. I didn't enjoy it. But I liked it was there if that makes any sense are testing. Well, you know, they were like look not everybody has to be smoke show. And if we're doing an off season storyline in the Ozarks, we may throw some grandparents at you. And you know, I'm not gonna say it was the hottest thing I've ever seen. But maybe was it better than I thought. And if you're saying spoiler alert, I may have helped you I may not have ruined anything. I may have prevented your day from being ruined. So a big reason way we feel about different shows. And why think things do have to go faster now is because people binge the hell out of all this stuff. So if you're gonna do slow episode, slow episodes people. Come on. Where's the juice? That's theory. I'm working on. Anyway. I think it's I think it's true. So I have another bigger theory. I wanna throw at you with the holidays around the corner. I have some wizard stuff. I think I wanna start with college football. Can I though before I do that? Can I ask you about the Condoleeza Rice story, and how that played out in house it ESPN? Yeah. So as many know the Sunday of this past week, Adam Schefter before the Browns are interested in Condoleeza Rice as head coach story got a ton of play. It was the number two, stroke dot com all day, despite the fact that literally moments later, the Browns shot it down and Condoleeza Rice herself made a statement saying she wasn't interested. So schefters the best. But how how does that happen? Is that like, hey, look if I can get a really interesting, quote, I'll use it even if I know the quote, isn't that good, and I would think I went fishing for a little bit. It's such a universally bad idea for no other reason than it's just, you know, I watch more basketball than anybody that doesn't do it professionally. I couldn't coach great high school team. I don't think I could I think I could do other things. But I don't think I could actually like coach coach a team. I don't know. I mean, I think you can coach like a, I don't know. I don't know you high school team now. You don't think he now? Okay. I don't know. I mean, I watched some of the games I used to go to the turnament. So was younger, you're not even coaching. Really? You're just yelling the whole time. Could I be an annoying getting sneakers on the side a Yuguy? Sure, I could. But I mean, like, maybe college where guys are really breaks up to the point is like I. I actually was proud of everyone. Did you find anybody that you forget respect? Do you? Did you find anyone that you at least follow that said, hey, have an open mind about this? 'cause I couldn't find now. I, and I think everyone was sort of treading lightly on it too. Because everybody thought it was a really bad idea. But it's just tricky too. I mean, she's Condoleeza Rice, she's super accomplish human being the only thing what I will say is we talked about on the show will and Will's point was he he thinks it would have been ridiculous. I agree with him. But do we does open up to like, you know, just finding leaders in society or leaders in sports, and could that transition could that be could I coach K as a great leader of of young men could he ever take over the Duke football team? And as a leader he had the Pete had to put good people around him and find good offensive defensive coordinator. But could he be like the CEO of the program type deal? So I think his point. Was that it opens the door for being a little bit more diverse, and you know out think outside the box thinking for head coaching hires in the future. Is that ridiculous? Yeah. That's dumb too. I get his point. And it's a really good way to do in the segment, but I don't think it's wrong. I don't think it's aren't chaotic to go. You know, what you kind of need? If you're going to be like one of the thirty two guys in the world that have this job. Ah background in it. You know, I do think that there are jobs where you know, the coaching transition thing. There have been guys like doc. Rivers didn't have to wait around. You got the Orlando. Magic job right away. Okay. And he's turned out either. Leave to be terrific coach. There seemed to be so many people that aren't argue against him as a good basketball coach. And it's not just because I like, all right. Mark Jackson would not take an assistant coaching job. He wouldn't any wait it out. He tried. I think it was the nets there were rumors trying to work that for a long time because he was calling the nets games. And that actually I think may bothered some people there is even a chance that he was after Golden State. He was going to get the Cleveland job. I mean, even during this early turmoil here with the Lakers there were rumors that well, you know, he lives in LA, and he actually I give him credit. I don't think he was doing this strategically, but when he called the Lakers game during that stuff, he was he was very supportive of Luke Walton or maybe he was supportive of Luke Walton because he didn't wanna seem as if he was knocking him and therefore positioning himself to get the head coaching gig. I didn't think Mark Jackson. A great coach of the warriors. And he's not gonna take an assistant gate 'cause the SPN gig is great. I'm sure he does really well he's on all of our really top games with Ian Van Gundy and bring their kind of like our number one team. So he might just be able to financially, you know, I I don't know is money and all that kind of stuff. But I imagine he's doing well enough that he doesn't have to take an assistant job again. But that I think is a little bit easier. When you say, okay, how could you have this job without being around it for anybody male female accomplish, it doesn't. I don't care. You could be I'm trying to think of a company whose stock is in the toilet right now. But if like bazo from Amazon all of a sudden like I want to coach a basketball team, would you go. Well, he showed great leadership in forward thinking and easing innovator. So let's bring him in here. But we'll make sure that somebody else's calling. Our offensive plays installs are defensive system. I mean, that's absurd. That's absurd. So problem with that too. Is like if you say say, you are as those to be your head coach, right? And you bring in the two best coordinators that money could buy those coordinators are going to jump ship to be coaches like at some point like, you're you're you're always going to be behind the eight ball, the only job that I can think if you've played Dion Sanders at flirted with he wanted throws name out there a couple of times different head coaching gigs. I think it was it land. When Atlanta made some transitions, maybe it was after Mike Smith was like oh and for Dion. I'm sure he thinks he can do it. And maybe he totally can like who am I to say, oh Dion Sanders? Couldn't do that kind of thing. But it's also great money. It's sick money. It's a great opportunity figuring to get fired three or four years anyway. So why don't you grab the cash or three or four years and go ahead and do it? I was actually thinking about this the right? Can you think of a high profile gig that you need zero experience in that you get hired for all the time? Put you on the spot here. Profile profile know experience, but you've never done the job before. But people get hired for it. All the time. Not molestation you. Well. Yeah. You could say the president that that would be, you know. That'd be topical point. That's not where I was going. Color commentator. It's really hard to be good on the air. And there are so many guys that have the job that have never done it before not. Hey, let's work on some college basketball games. I or hey, you know, maybe we'll throw young players on they give your high profile enough in just retired. You get the best. Color, commentary gigs, which is kind of crazy when you think about it. You still have a background though. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's not like you've never been around sports. But I still think being around it and then applying you're you're either a natural. And you nail it or you go up. This is you know, what? I mean, there's there's guys that some of the NBA guys that I listened to ask you this like speaking color commentators. Wh what was what was who had less experienced like Tony Romo or Jason Witten coming straight from playing like Dennis Miller who had a background in entertainment had no football expertise. Yeah. Dennis Miller had less because you'd I mean, you're not expecting Dennis Miller to diagnose a play. Like, I know Romo was the thing. Everyone loved right? And then soon as everybody loves it. Then everybody found reasons to hate it. And he can be a little hyper at times. But I think it's really cool when he's pointing out stuff ahead of time that. Guys, either are free to say or can't dissect or or what you don't have to be awesome for me. I just have to think at some point. Point on a couple of things in three hours two or three things in three hours of game or two hours of a basketball game that I can't figure out what I don't like is the results based analysis where the shot goes in the play was great the players great. The is great. And if the shot doesn't go in that guy stinks. It's the wrong shot you should trust your teammates more like the playing of results color commentary is brutal or the former coach that. No coaches ever to Blake van Gundy's got a lot of that. And I actually liked the Gandhi probably as much as any single guy in any sport. But when he starts doing the it's never been any coaches fall. And he's credit. He's actually kind of admitted that at times is like, yeah. I never really think it's a coaches fall when he's fired like, oh, okay. Well, I guess you admit it. That's that's what I thought was funny about the kind of Lisa rice story member my whole, Catherine Smith thing with the bills when I present segment as well. It's just interesting now that you can't even criticize it, and then that turned into a man say something about a woman on a talk show. Well, that's that's not gonna have to fly. I think one of the stories about kind of a rice didn't even point out. The fact that Catherine Smith wasn't retained. And that's not some victory lap from me. That's me pointing out that people that arguing that kind of these rice. Well, maybe she could because Catherine Smith, and it's like, yeah, she wasn't Sean McDermott in didn't retain her on the coaching staff. So because I remember I was kind of called out for not knowing much about Catherine Smith, and I thought it was funny that the article had mentioned that that's the first thing. I thought of when I thought of this Condoleeza Rice thing, I'm like house is going to go over our people just going to be really open to it because they are interested in progress in this and that, and I I was I don't know what the proper word is. But I was I guess I was surprised that people were subdued about it. They didn't just come out and say, hey, let's be open minded this. Because like like, you know, things happen like that. And I'm going what I remember Ben lines. And I had that big argument years ago about Becky Hammon. And the argument was this. I said, you know, Becky Hammond in another male candidate or a tie, and that's pretty much. What would probably be if I owned a team I spent a billion? On an MBA franchise. And I go, you know, unless ham and were ten times better than everybody else. If it were a tie as far as a coach my team. I'd probably just pick the guy because I know I don't have to deal with the immaturity of some of the guys on my team that may not sound right. But it's like I deal in the real world here folks when I did the radio show on the podcast. You know, I'd be like so I got like three one in doners. On my team like nineteen. Are they going to respect her? Am I going to get the most out of my investment in this player salary deal? If an has had really nothing negatively about her. It would just be something. I'd worry about obviously, I wouldn't allow myself to be quoted, but I I would just go I worry about this. Now, I'll admit that since that argument. Ben lines was arguing absolutely not like, why wouldn't you hire? Why wouldn't you hire? And again, it's just funny. How people can take that as being like, oh, no, you're being anti female. No. I'm being pro reality that would be a tough thing. And I'll admit I think what's great about the Vicki ham thing now years removed from happening is that once something happens, and then everybody kind of gets over it. And then starts thinking about it. And then you hear how respected she is. And how much the players love her. And I think Popovich and the Spurs were uniquely designed to be able to pull this off as not even a big deal and everything she's great. And I don't think it's out of the question that she could get a job at some point. So that that's what the point of those hires is and. I think it's always kinda like important remind yourself of that kind of stuff. But I don't know we ended up doing way more on this than I thought we would do you wanna do college football have more on that? Now. That's about it. Okay. I think the big ten might stink. Well, yeah. And I don't do this. You know for everyone that means. That makes see. Yeah. The the big ten west does I do like the SEC? But I just you know, sometimes you make this stuff so complicated. Like, I don't know if that players any good words wins above replacement. You know, what I mean, give me a wind share number? What about him? Well, you know, it's spin ratios this. I think he's kind of good. What about this team the strength of schedule that and their game score in in game control metrics? I don't mind if the college football playoff committee just goes, we think this team's better than that team. Now, we got a group of people in this room. And then we look at it every week, and we put as much as we can and. We just think this team's better. Like are. We are we not okay with that anymore. And I think we aren't I think there's so many arguments that we have about any all these teams where it's just wait a minute. You just you just break it down to saying that teams better than that one. That doesn't make any sense. So let's revisit the big ten. We've got horrible taking on Ohio State. You know, I've been pro Harbaugh this entire time. I've always thought it's pretty absurd. The the way he's been talked about he went ten and three in his first year ten and three in the second year there. Number three in the playoff rankings playing number two state game could have gone out of the way they lost by field goal. And then last year, they go eight and five and the way this guy is talked about you would've thought really wait a minute. So what did he do Lee went ten and three? Well, what happened was your skin? Now. What do you do this egging your nine one ten and three were they not ranked? None other were number three in the country. They were like on the verge of playing in the national championship playoff. Okay. Well, what do you do like one in eleven? No, no. You went eight and five, but. Everybody said he couldn't beat anybody. Good. Well, how's he doing? Well this year. He's a game away from playing in the big ten championship game. If you beat Ohio State, it'll beat all the rivals this year that every said that he couldn't beat and we playing for national championship, or at least in the playoff. Okay. But I thought everybody said he sucked for like a year and a half in the media. Yeah. You know, a lot of people did why is that? Well, I guess people didn't like that. He tweeted when he first got the gig. And did a sleepover too. So wait a minute. That sounds pretty good. He's ten and three ten and three eight and five and he's ten and one with a chance to be thirteen in one. Yeah. And their their losses to another playoff team. That's head of him. No, man. People. Have you know, here's the thing. No one's doing this segment yet because all of the people that were anti Harbaugh have so many chips or positions say that was talk stocks here. Their position there. So long Harbaugh sucks that they're just going to wait until you will how state result and with that game. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what's going to happen. We know that Michigan statistically and the eye test defensively end just dude central looking at all their guys. It looks really good. I've Notre Dame was in total control that game against Michigan. That was a long time ago, and it was the first game shape. Patterson where they really didn't know who they were offense, I think series disease. But then when I think if they beat Ohio State in north western team on the other side, and we'll get to them in a second like who's Ohio State for all the benefit of the doubt angst about some of the SEC schools. It happens to all the other schools that are at the top. Clemson is always getting benefit of the doubt. Ohio State always get the benefit of that why? 'cause he's a recent playoff contributors. And that's okay. That's what we do. All the time. It's it's impossible to race. How we felt about some of these teams. So when I look at her house. Okay. So they beat TCU. When she was fifteen through man, that's really good. And I always credit how state for non conference they are consistently incredible at, you know, testing themselves other schools could have just played Oregon state and been fine with it, and they house them, and then they BTC a week three. And and you know, what guess what TCU ends up not being that good sort of still middle of the pack. Big twelve you know, I don't think they're middle of the pack as far as being better than half the league. But that's where they are standings wise. And then they beat Penn State a game that I was at the thought Penn State controlled the whole time. And then, you know, the end of the game, I should say control the whole time. But if you watch the game at felt like Penn State like man, this is really really great. And there was a weird play at the end of the first-half momentum change state pulls it out. But we went into going thing about the big ten east, Michigan, Ohio state Penn State. Michigan state. Those are four incredible teams. Again, a lot of people, and I couldn't really come up with a counter to it where arguing that the big ten east will be easily the best division in college football. And in August. Like, you know, what there's a really good chance that actually could happen because Michigan's figure this thing out Haskins it, Ohio State. It's urban Penn State McSorley still there. Michigan state never doubt that team. But then when you start collectively putting it all together. And I know that you can do this with a lot of conferences. And there's nothing easier than everybody sucks. No one's played anybody good game because he could do that. With almost every conference in every freaking team. Ohio State has those two wins. And then some weird stuff starts happening. You know, there's a weird game with Minnesota where it's what twenty fourteen and they end up winning by two touchdowns. Okay. Indiana. You know, how much I love Indiana that was that was kind of a weird game. But they pulled away. No big deal. We want all these teams. They're supposed to be national championship contenders to beat everybody by fifty every single week. And at that point once they had run through six seven wins in a row to start the season. Let's say after the Penn State win when they're five and a lot of people like, well, it's bam Clemson in Ohio State, and then everybody else like well once again, we're proven wrong. And then a brass game happens after they get housed by Purdue forty nine twenty and you're going. All right. What is wrong with this team? And then the Michigan state game was ugliest. Hell Michigan state actually has a really good defense. The offense was so bad in that that lets state scores. And then we're coming off a Maryland game where they had a win in overtime against the dirty turps who are five and six on the season. So as I had this all together, I go. What are we all still supposed to think that Ohio states, really good? Even though they're ten in one and tenth in the playoff rankings. Clearly the committee's turn on the move. Little bit by having UCF jumped them. So then you have Penn State who again was in this group of man, they're going to be really good. There's still twelve despite the fact they have three losses. That's fine. Whatever they beat app state barely. They crush pit back in the season when Pitt stunk, but now pits playing the ACC title game, the Kent state, Illinois, they lose to a state. They lose to Michigan state. They beat Indiana plucking, Indiana, Iowa who started off good and even though their quarterback had a bit of an injury. He's still put a pretty good numbers last month or so, and then they lose to Michigan get destroyed, and they beat it Wisconsin team that remember was fourth in the preseason rankings. And they've been a mess and then Rutgers and for all the pig. Ten fans argue non conference games college games. Like you've been doing it thirty years Rutger shouldn't ever count ninth conference game. And I would say the same thing about Kansas except Kansas on the way back. So then Michigan's. Yeah, there we go. Michigan state six and five. They can't score. And even when I was six and one it's actually pretty impressive. They beat Iowa State shout out to lames, but you can't make state jokes anymore because that's actually a good competitive team. Like, the big twelve has good debt. But they've lost a Penn State. They've lost Purdue they lost northwestern. And then they beat Illinois sixty three nothing. And northwestern is going to end up winning this west they could be seven five and still play for chance the national championship. They're not going to lose the Illinois who just got house sixty three nothing. Northwestern be Purdue and a close one lost Duke Akron, and again, that's four and six Akron. They lost a Michigan which was close you're going. All right. You know? Now what I do here. They beat Michigan state who everybody who's good is beaten Nebraska who can't beat anybody despite being competitive Rutgers, Wisconsin, again, Wisconsin the beginning of the year was man, look how fat their guys are up front can this line that eats all the time. Let's do another thing where they eat food. Let's do a Wisconsin where we bring the line out to eat food because that's never been done before. And then you know, Hornibrook they lost him for a stretch. But Wisconsin ends up being a huge disappointment. Despite being seven four like there's ways defined six or seven wins. Especially when you don't have to play the other really good teams on the other side, even though in the north western. Played a good one in Michigan and perceive on a Michigan state. Now, could I be completely wrong about all this shirt? I could could I do the same thing with the Pac twelve. Yep. Could I do it with the? Yup. Could I do the same thing with some like SEC east west crossover things where I think that's why the playoff committee still likes LSU a little bit because they had to play Florida and Georgia line. Yeah. I think that that's why when I tweeted out this morning like say it was seven four four loss. It'd be eight and four it could even be a seven five win seventy five north western team that won the big ten championship for all of you that want to expand the playoffs to eight teams or you want conference championships to matter would you want in eight and five northwestern playing in two games to get to the national championship. I wouldn't I wouldn't want that from any corner of the country. And that's why I was so anti Iowa a couple years ago because up until that Michigan state game and ended up becoming a better team later on. I this is the national championship. And there really should be only a few teams over the course of their twelve games and the conference championship. That's even viable for this thing. You know? I really I really believe that. So when I go through that whole big ten thing, you know, harbach can't lose because all the horrible haters are gonna come back out. And it's I always think it's possible to lose house states talented enough. I don't know what's going on. With urban Meyer. Even Ben Rothlisberger is thinking that Mayer may be milking, this health thing a little bit in that sounds incredibly like that's the joke now, and I'm actually I guess I kind of made it, but you know, as soon as the anti-us day people are out there. Like look at urban everytime. Everytime. A bad play happened against Maryland. It looks like he's he has his health thing again and all the rumor start up like what's going to happen is the same thing as Florida. I don't know. I don't know if any of that's going to happen. But that stuff obviously is out there. I guess what I'm saying reading a long winded way is there's a lot of evidence. That tells you this whole big ten thing not only like there's no counter this the conference as a whole has been a big disappointment based on the depth and thinking they were going to take over the best conference in the country. And that was a totally viable argument in August. And there's no way anyone can make that argument today. Yeah. I think that was just a lot of wishful thinking too right people just want to be down. They just they want. They wanna believe in somebody else. And and I think going back to your first point about Harbaugh we kill them after week one saying, you know, how big of. A disappointment is he I think people hate on it because they mealy assume that he was going to be like Nick Saban dead. Turn this thing into a championship contender every year. So that that's that's for me is the anti Harbaugh stuff. It just the expectations have sort of killed him. But I mean, yeah. Like all those guys that were that were killing him at the game the season. I haven't heard anything from the last two months or so right? No. But it's been extremely quite like have you seen anybody? Do the. All you guys are idiots about horrible. I've seen cowherd. Do it in cowherd. An eye of always been like we've talked about this. You know, he and I talk like twice a week. Now, the Avs Kelly, Bruce, right, but harbor the harbor argument for him like I've always kind of felt the same way about the way. I laid it out in the front the way he's talked about is like we have you ever said. Hey, listen to this. This is this guy's record. And what he's done, and it's not exactly you're right. He didn't become saving, and if you're going to do something. And you're the new thing you're probably better off being quiet about it. Because the more loud, you are the more negative reaction. There's going to be if you're not living up to the ridiculous expectations. But cowherd, and I would agree agree. And then he would be like you can make an argument that he's even better than saving when well. You include the NFL part. And I'm like you had me right up until that part. Well, that's an interesting part of it. Because like, okay. So you don't like you don't like Harbaugh. Okay. Michigan wants to get rid of Harbaugh. Like he gets a he gets hired in the NFL potentially almost immediately. And he certainly going to get a great college job. So it's not like people around football are telling you what they think of Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. I just if you're the best maybe to ever do it in college. Just because the two dolphins years were disappointing in the other guy played. I'm not defending that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. So I think we're on the same page with the real really quick though, you did your northwestern thing. So you did compare them to Iowa. The only thing I was undefeated though. Right. I mean, I I it would know you're right. You're right for that sense, technically. Yes. I'd be pissed if north western. Yeah. Made the playoff on some fluky big ten championship thing. If we expanded the playoff that would be annoying. But that if I o had went undefeated that year, they would have been totally deserving of it I thought and that point if they'd beat Michigan state. Yeah. But I guess I just have a problem sometimes with the non-conference stuff when it does like when you didn't even bother to schedule. Anyone that stuff? Always kind of bothers me and. A lot of people doing the Alabama thing again now. But I mean, you know, when you go in you, hey, we're gonna play Louisville like pick somebody else in the SEC that doesn't schedule other than Bama. Then. Of course, it just turns into I mean, look thing about the teams go through the last ten years Bama place teams, and I know was going to go neutral site. How Armageddon scenarios love him? I'm trying to figure out what happens Oklahoma here if they end up playing Texas in the big twelve championship game, which means that both Texas and Oklahoma win this weekend. If Oklahoma were to be Texas. Is there anything that could happen, right? Like, I guess the other reason I did that whole big ten time line thing is let me just do this say Bama beach, Georgia. So Georgia's out that second SEC thing you don't have to worry about the only way that's possibilities. Alabama losing a close game. And then other scenarios so say Clemson beats pits wanted to spots in their Notre Dame beats USC this weekend. And the thing is with this weekend. I've been around long enough to know there've been so many times, you're like, oh, we'll just gonna be this this this and this season has been boring, but there's so many times it doesn't happen that way. I mean, the end of two thousand seven still to this day is one of the craziest things I've ever seen sports. But if. If Michigan loses to allow state and Ohio State beats and I'm assuming northwestern is going to be Dylan, OI, Ohio State beat Michigan than beat northwestern. Ohio State at twelve and one I think committees telling you. I don't know if there's an Armageddon scenario where twelve and one, oh, how states playing in the playoff? And that's something. I haven't seen anybody bring up anywhere. Think about that. If I ever say, hey, twelve and one Ohio State they played TCU out of conference. They win the big twelve that'd be even more impressive. They want to conference. They win the big ten. They're twelve and one, but they're not in the playoff. All right. What what has to happen, then so and that's an area bama's in clemson's in Bamsey clemson's in they beat Michigan Notre Dame's in. So Michigan's out now Michigan they'd have to beat Michigan. Oklahoma would have to lose in the big twelve title game to Texas because Texas has three losses. Yeah. They're not. They're not ahead of Ohio State, the Pac twelve I guess you'd have to have Washington lose to Washington. Washington state lose to Washington or you could have Washington state beat Washington, then beat a Utah team where you're like. Okay. It's Utah not saying they're bad. But it's not like some Armageddon thing as I'm sitting here talking about north western. It's worth pointing out to the other side of that Pac twelve championship game. Isn't that last data point that's really gonna blow somebody away where? I think a win over Texas would be more impressive. Yeah. Although Texas, look they get Utah seventeenth. It's only a couple of spots behind Texas. So it's basically even the committee's is ours. I'm concerned. You see what I'm saying here? Imagine if a one loss Washington state got in over one loss, Ohio State, and that's a problem for Washington state is I'm rooting for it. You beat Wyoming who's five and six one in ten San Jose State. But you did take down ninety two eastern Washington. Go Big Sky. I guess I don't know. The reason Donna me this morning on doing all these notes, I go, wait a minute. Ohio state. Just not be in even if they beat Michigan and then beat northwestern because it's not like, they're beating eleven and one Wisconsin. It's not like, they're beating even you know, a a really good record Iowa team that isn't as strong non-conference as they were say a couple years ago. I don't know. I think it's at least like that would be a good segment on game day. Like that would be a good segment where you go. Wait a minute. Is there possibility that twelve and one Ohio State would be left out because they've had for what we expect from a state and unimpressive run for last month and their loss. And this is where the LSU fan, circle, wait a minute. What if Notre Dame lose SE? What of Michigan loses? Ohio State, then Ohio State loses north western what if Bama kills Georgia would have Clemson loses. The pit would have Oklahoma loses to West Virginia twice. What of Washington state loses to Washington? And then Washington loses the Utah at that point. You know, what throw you UCF in go ahead. And I was gonna say the only one we haven't talked about. But to remember we always seem to look at the polls over the years as this elimination thing. And when Armageddon does happen. They'll just replace the teams that had the worst losses with the teams that had the better losses. You just this isn't an eliminator pool thing. Still still end up. Putting in a team if all of these terrible scenarios happening. I don't mean. Terrible. Because actually finally entertaining this season. But if all these weird things happened, it's not like they would start saying. Okay. Let's get Mississippi State in there. Then you know, that's just not you don't you? Don't just lap teams. Just because they've lost in front of. Going to do a mailbag question. Yeah. Let's do it. Do it bring them up. 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What if everyone were allowed, and it was totally legal once a year based on anything that happened in your day to day life, something that happened at work something that happened over parking spot. Something happened with online harassment anything a neighbor. You're allowed to fight one person a year. Now, did this does this person have to consent to fighting you? They have to they have to fight you. And I know what I'm gonna go meet head. That's fine. But I do think society would be better off if we all knew that a little bit more was on the line. So if you went to say Chris long in call them liberal hack after he donates tie his entire paycheck for the season to charity because he's just a great human being. And you're. Hank? You know, just done streaming fortnight on twitch. And you're like, you know, what I'm gonna do. Because here's what I know. Most successful people don't usually spend a ton of time insulting other people online. Okay. So if you knew if you hit send on that, Chris long, just say, I nominate you Hank. We're gonna fight now. And you have to fight them. If you decide to pull some deal where you're like a mouthy guy over parking spot and you're wrong. But you're just doing the thing. And they've seen it happened a million times go what are you gonna do? Oh, go ahead. Hit me hit me. I'll sue you all own you. Well, wait a minute in my proposal. He was like, hey, all right, dude. You know, here's the deal, you're going to get you're going to get a letter in the mail, and you're going to have to fight me this year. I think it was. I think people be in check a lot more if they knew hey, I actually like I'll have to do a sanctioned fight. If I act this way. I mean, I definitely would. Well, it would take it would take some time for people to learn because people wouldn't eat people wouldn't believe at first. They would be like, oh, he's never gonna pick me. And then you get picked a fight Chris long. And then you're probably never going to do that again. Yes. So you're you're suggesting that this would be gradual. Yeah. I wouldn't be a steep decline. Like, it would be people would have to learn like, I'm gonna get you know, I'm gonna get my ass beat one time. Like, okay. Maybe I'll maybe I'm not gonna fire that tweet after Kris law or some other random celebrity. Right. I really anybody. Resisting this now a few minutes in is ridiculous. You know, that's actually to king society. Ammann's what we could all agree at the pro-. The problem is there are no consequences. Right. That's there's none. That is. So it's not just on online. It's not just mouthy guy. That knows he couldn't do anything in a fight. It's it's you know, what let's let's go back to the beginning of the book sapiens here. Let's let's like, well, how about guys, girlfriends and wives. You know? Oh, you wanna be a dude who's going to mess with my girl? And we have to work together. Well, maybe doing I take this week. I'm gonna fight you and probably promote lifting in being shape. More to honestly, there's there's multiple benefits. I hadn't even thought of that think about the insurance premiums going down because everybody would be or you people could just you know, what instead of being in better shape. People could stop being total bleeps to each other. Yeah. But then it might work the other way, right? Because there's always going to be the guy that wants to fight everybody, and he's gonna like embrace this. I guess if you only have it once a year though, but that guy who wants to fight everyone all the time. Maybe he now fights less. Maybe he doesn't get into. He doesn't throw haymakers at the harp on a Friday. You know, because he realizes now that high school was his peak. Here's the here's the flaw. And here's the flaw. Okay. Say you get chosen, and you know, you, you know, it's it's two months in you have another ten months where you can just, you know, talk smack for free because you know, that you're never gonna get picked. So you think once you get beat up if you get you get out of the way early. He's got ten months of free smacktalk before before it kicks in again for new year. But have you ever gotten beat up bad? No I've gotten punt. But not you know. Yeah. We haven't been humbled by someone. Yeah. One on a one on one pummeling is pretty humiliating. And you might I get what you're saying. I still think that there'd be more people that would go. You know, what wasn't fun? I said something I should have said I was wrong. I was challenged new US fight laws mandate that I have to fight this person. I got mopped in front of people. My parents were there. All right. I want to start being a jerk to everybody because now get away with for the next ten months. I think there'd be less bottle. The did that as opposed to people like, you know, what maybe I can improve on some things. I mean, I hope so for the better of everybody, but this has to be televised to you're right item matching these things need to be public. Oh, yeah. At least stream somewhere or whatever. Yeah. Whatever we were doing with which to get this stuff out there. I think there'd be some concerns guys with doctor bills saying, you know, hey, rich guys, we try to get some doctors say my client is not medically cleared to fight. And then I would just have a governing body was like stopping jerk. Like, listen, don't apply here. That's that was on you. Sorry. I think I'm onto something here. That'd be interested. So it's like a legal fight club. That's not that that people talk about. Yeah. Everybody knows about it. It's out there. I mean, it's part of put in the constitution where you know. And you may not have ever get picked, you know, I guess there. If there were another flaw that you could say is like what if somebody else were a jerk, and it was like month eleven and you know, some Jack Rams fan that just like, you know, I hate his Sillo, and I'm going I gotta fight this jacked Rams guy. Maybe there could be a tribunal. But the getting more you start adding people in here. Now, we could have a tribunal now to see if this is something that we can actually agree on like Priscilla was in the wrong. Like, I don't know. He just had a bad Rams take a couple years ago. Not a big deal. And now he's going to get beat up by this enormous dude from riverside that doesn't seem cool. I'm not saying it's perfect. But I actually think it'd be better. I think I think it'd be a little better. If people knew that there was a little bit more risk in the way the handle themselves day today. I agree business deals that go wrong, and whatever, but just get caught up in a lawsuit for years in my lawyers are better than your lawyers. You know, what you're gonna lose? No, actually, I've been working sheet rock my whole life. And this is your second home. And you're from you know. Newbury? So I'm going to I'm gonna beat you up in front of your family legally. And that's because you didn't pay me for my sheet rocking job, and you shouldn't have messed with. Guys, hang sheet rock don't do this. Because they love it. I just picked you like some guy like serving you an envelope. That's like a fight envelope. And like you're terrified to get that did for that guy to come to your door. That would be hilarious because you'd be sitting there say, you're roommates, you're in your twenties, and you're going oh my God. Do you know who just like the fight this year or you be like just got served like Bryan, Bryan got serve? He was crazy. I gotta fight this. Yeah. That guy Tyler who doesn't even go here challenge. Brian to a fight. What would it Brian? Do. We didn't do anything. All right. So. Yeah. There'd be some people that was something to fights it. Yeah. That that didn't deserve it. Okay. I would nominate any of the wizards to fight because this is the least surprising thing there are some things that aren't surprising. The bulls are terrible defensively. Jabari Parker terrible defensively that Sacramento despite being. Competitive all season. And I love how hard they play. And I'm not quite sure that they're going to be this good Jaren FOX. I don't think he's gonna be like a top five point guard ever because he's still little out of control. But he's good. But healed is good Cauley Stein has been terrific and the anti Davy your stuff, I imagine. Because Marvin Bagley wasn't playing enough for them. But they were still winning games. And they were really good the other night against Oklahoma City. So for whatever reason I'm on another Sacramento Kings kick, but it wasn't super surprising that the Sacramento Kings. There was some suggestion that there was friction that Yankers job could be jeopardy. Go you guys are unbelievable. Get coach. Okay. So that's not surprising. But at least surprising thing is that the wizards all of a sudden aren't getting along. Okay. There's six and eleven the comeback win that we mentioned at the top. I think some of the stuff that I read about they are now trying to see what their players are worth. And what could be out there in the market. If that's true. If that's true that they were like, we're not taking any calls on John wall, or we wouldn't shake this thing up for Jimmy Butler. We wouldn't do those things then they're even worse than I thought they were and just think that you would say, hey, we've got kind of a combustible group here. What could we add to this? You wanted to add Jeff green, Austin rivers and Dwight Howard. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Think about that happened this off season the fakest tough-guy team in the league that is so enamored with the team. They see in the mirror individually without realizing in reality who they are. They talked so much. I've done this whole segment already numerous times. But that you then say. Let's let's throw in Dwight Howard. Austin rivers in Jeff green that would be like the trifecta with Kate Fagan j McManus and Sarah Spain naming we'll Cain their fourth co host. Okay. There's no way you would go. Hey, let's bring this dynamic in just to see how it goes. Although we'll did Cho's show with K did. Yeah. That was good. I liked that schilling willing Kate. They're not any good walls contracts. Terrible. But for those of you ripping John wall's contract now. Where were you when he signed the extension? Were you Rippin the wizards for this deal? Then or are you saying the cap went up and boys this deal bad? He will make next year thirty eight million than forty one million than forty four million. And then forty seven million. I'm gonna go ahead and report now he's not going to opt out three years. That's breaking news, forty seven million end to make it even worse. He has a fifteen percent trade kicker of the total value of the contract. If he strayed why you needed to do that. Hey, John, we're gonna pay you forty seven million four years from now after two knee surgeries. But. Just in case, we can trade you, which we, you know. And I don't think there's ever an impossible contract to trade. Some of these source things that I read not to say that the sources are wrong the information's wrong. Nobody really, you know, we don't like doing that to each other all time even though I'll do it. Sometimes. The concept that oh, you know, if you have that forty seven million that last year that will cripple you. If John wall is traded, and it's forty seven million remaining three years from now. I know exactly what everybody's gonna say. Because it's only one year left on the deal and there's a salary floor anyway. So you just gonna so some of the stuff that's coming out. Now, it's real easy after the fact, it's easy after the fact that Killa contract at the time, everyone went and John wall two years ago. Flirting with being a top ten player. It's real. He was terrific there for stretch. I've always liked wall. I think more than other people have, but it's very clear from my personality standpoint. This thing's never going to work. It wasn't gonna work last year. It wasn't going to go into work this year with things you added to it. So now the soon as wall like a lot of these guys signs the new contract with the new CBA as soon as zen sign that player, then somehow becomes untradable, which is a really weird thing about this league. But. The after the fact second guessing the contracts the people ripping the contract now weren't saying anything about this before I'm not saying no one was seriously. You wanna pay this guy that much? The wizards just aren't aren't great if this. They just aren't they just are not a great. Decision making team on and off the court. But you know, as I've learned all the years of being on campus is every single guy that used to coach that came into work with us. It's instinct to say, it's everybody else's fault. You know what? I mean. It's happening now like my Jeff Fisher stuff with your Goff. We had heard from bunch of different people that he wanted Carson Wentz. I'm not saying Jeff is you're actually believe that at the time. But as Goff was bad that first year at then became well. You know, Jeff Fisher was gonna wanna Carson Wentz. Hugh Jackson, his only one at every quarterback. That's awesome. And never wanted any of the ones that weren't. He's in a great job with that the LeBron James piece in the athletic. Okay. How about that deal where LeBron James whether you talk to David Griffin who the GM at the time. It looked like they had of the deal in place for Paul George, which would have included kyri or Brian Wynne horse who's reported on this Zach Lowe who is talked about this. This has been going on now for a long time. This story about Paul George coming in Eric Bledsoe coming in Cairo Irving going out. And that's why the kyri stuff ended up happening. The way it happened that he didn't wanna play with LeBron anymore. But then because that trade the not the kyri one for the other guys. And the reason they never did that. Is because ownership was saying to LeBron look of George can be upper year. You can be up in a year. I need some sort of commitment beyond this year. Lebron wouldn't do that for him. But then the athletic comes out with peace and Giovanni really good in the cast. But it was a very pro. Lebron peace in that as he comes back to Cleveland. It was LeBron saying I never wanted kyri to be traded a boss. Okay. And I actually and you'll remember this Rudy. 'cause we were talking that entire week before the kyri trade to Boston is I felt like at least from the people that I talked to is. There was a real belief. They were gonna take another shot at the season with kyri. And then I think Dan Gilbert went to call y'all C'mon. And everybody just said, you know, what let's move on. So I would believe that LeBron didn't think at some point in that time line that kyri was going to end up in Boston. But there was also another part of that story that happened earlier that summer were LeBron was okay with kyri moving on when LeBron thought he was getting much better. Teammates back. Then Isaiah Thomas in auntie Zigic. Yeah. It was weird. 'cause that whole thing was sort of slow play reported almost and it seems like it's, you know, via the septum now they just wanted out because LeBron wanted him out or was looking for better guys to play with. So I mean, I it's been written about so many times by the people that would know. Okay. Like when David Griffin starts talking about it. Well, he would know he was the guy he was running the team. And then he wasn't then he wasn't retained. I can believe the two things are, but I can never express enough to all of you. That are listening that watch any of us on TV. Listen, any of us in radio podcast that when we're talking to people that were former decision makers when I mean former that means they hoped to be a current one again. They're amazingly convenient with their memories about whose fault the good and bad transactions were a Greg Xiang when he worked with us. Greg Xiang, oh acted as if the entire four or five months season was a car wash. He never said anything interesting about anything that happened at Tampa nothing because eventually he knew he wanted to get back into coaching, and that's fine. But actually do think these guys look you can be a little bit more forthcoming. You can be like Shanna would come in almost like I got a radio hit a little beneath me. He's coach Tampa Bay bucks guys now that and you tell me a little bit. Well, you know, you just you just try your like, you know, you're not the coach anymore, right? You don't have to keep it in house. You can tell us something interesting at some point. I've never it's the longest car wash. I've ever seen Rex on four or five months. No, you work here, dude. Yeah. You don't like you have to pay for your lunch now? I mean, you're incredibly right about that. Right. Like, Sean Wyman isn't gonna take you to lunch every day. You have your you have like a schedule, and you're gonna hit and there's going to be an NFL live. And they're going to ask you to talk about other interesting stuff. What are we doing here radio? Bump today again. I gotta talk to. Talk to lease over and talent let me doing anymore. These radio hits as the coach the bucks. Remember that Rutgers Thursday night thing we did kick. These guys chop wood is that. No, right. Yeah. He was chocolate. Right. Yeah. Almost cut his foot off, right? Yeah. Chop chop wood. And then our our boy PJ flick was row the boat. Still Israel row the boat. I forgot about PJ flick. Because that's my whole the Russell Wilson thing. You know is that Wilson was. He had the interview the other night. What the hell is that the Packers win? Right. Yeah. As a Packer that was that was actually a good game. He went right back into Russell Wilson. And it's comical to me that people are still learning this for the first time, and they'll go what about your boy edgy? Look what about Marcus Maria? I think markets mariota's incredibly boring. I don't think that's an act. I think that Andrew luck is kind of goofy dorky. Aw, shucks, guy and the. Canned answers. However, you want to phrase it that's kind of who he is. I don't ever believe that this is who Russell Wilson is. That's my biggest beef with that where it's so choreographed, and I think that's PJ Fleck. It's like it's incredibly choreographed. So I don't have a problem with boring. I don't have a problem with cliche all the time. I don't likely shea prefer it. But if I think that's who you are. I've just indifferent. But when I think it's always some sort of act that you're putting on and flexes a little difference, more theatrical of locale pulling all together and Wilson's is just how can I compliment every other person before, you know, this whole bragging about how humble you are stuff. The last couple of years is is painful, that's always been my Russell Wilson thing. Go hawks. Did you find one mailbag question? You liked. Not real hold on. I mean, they're mostly just about lifting which is we get it. You know, people are asking for life update because we have you haven't given a life up in a while. Here's the problem all the all the TV writing stuff. I can't talk about any of it. I really can't. And it doesn't mean that I'm killing it. But it also doesn't mean that this isn't gonna work. Fell. Sometimes I'll sit in these meetings, and tell us all of your ideas, telling you everything on, you know, like we unofficial pitch here. I don't think we're I'm official pitch looking until you're really coming up with gold up here. I might I don't know if we're going to I can't I can't say this because there was a chance. If this things gets green lit than I'm gonna do this video thing that I'm actually kinda pumped about it's not porn. I wouldn't be pumped about that. You know, I got a large family. Yeah. Like, Ryan, we, you know, we get, you know, living your own life out there, and you may never settle down. But. All hands on deck party. You know, come on. So. Yeah. I don't think I don't think I have anything else. Did you find one male back question? You liked. I don't hate this one. What's the worst food trend? You've noticed in LA. Pizzas sucks. I can't get a good pizza in the south bay. It's painful like love and salt restaurant. Yeah. My favorite restaurant, Manhattan beach, love and salt. There's like five amazing restaurants right near my house. And they make a really good pizza. But it's it's a really nice restaurant. You gonna go into? I mean, I can always gonna take out if I wanted to every now and then but. You know? I can't there's no, hey, it's Sunday night football. I'm going to get a Luna pizza from west Hartford. Get it delivered twenty bucks, whatever like done and done. And I know I'm going to enjoy every single slice. I haven't found anything like that. And when people listen to this. They're going to recommend all these pizza places. I've tried most of them most of them suck. So have you'd have some recommendations where you're saying. It's legit. I gotta tell me where you're from. If you're from Oklahoma City, and you're arguing that, you know pizza. I'm going to. I mean block you. That's about it have a happy happy thanksgiving. And enjoy enjoy black Friday. Enjoyed life Friday. My birthday story. Blau? I forgot my birthday. I have literally forgot it was this Friday. Oh, hey, are you doing a canal podcast with you guys with them yesterday? So we're can people download that. If people want to hear that. That's what we were apple podcasts pretty much anywhere podcast found small talk. Pod Danny canals tape and we're hoping tape with you middle next month. All right problem. Hopefully, we lock time down. It was pretty good. It's good to talk to Danny. Actually, I didn't talk to him in. Over your at imagine. At if you questions about his Bama tweets at halftime sitted Al game. He's the worst. When it comes out was just the worst. Yeah. He I think he. I mean, I used to go there. But like he knows what it complete hypocrite. He is with every single thing. He does. Right. I think he does hard to listen to. But I, but I think he'll tell you that he's doing this hung cheat in college. Now, it's not totally true. See how Matty? But he sounded good. All right. Sounds good. You have a great week. And I'll talk to you next week.

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"It's Monday November nineteenth. You can't knock on someone's door to ask if they're okay if they don't have a door anymore. We start here. The death. Toll climbs in California. The number of missing skyrockets eight is a monumental effort. But it's also an urgent one family. Members are combing through tent cities to find their loved ones. We'll take you to one two votes have been counted. Finally, I was not victorious in this race. What is happening with those final congressional seats. And what it means for next time. And when Turkey made the claim the US did nothing now, it's the CIA. It will be hard to ignore this completely pool. President Trump side with on the murder of Jamal kashogi Saudi agencies or his own. From ABC news. This is start here. I'm Brad milkey. The damage was already indescribable by deaths by buildings lost the campfire in northern California was already the most destructive in state history. But as we talked to officials several of them said just wait this is not over the casualties. You're hearing about now those are just the ones who could be easily found and over the last few days as search teams got access to the decimated town of paradise and places nearby that death toll began to climb even higher. Twenty-five? People are now confirmed dead now forty four people are confirmed dead the number of dead making another jump their concerns here. Now, there could be over a hundred dead. They just don't know. Meanwhile, remember this entire town is still without their homes and not all of them are lucky enough to have a relative to crash with and as they figure out their next steps. Another number has grown distressingly large the number of people were just unaccounted for. Let's go to northern California where that fire is still burning ABC's, Marcus more is on the ground. And Marcus where are you right now? Hey, Brad, I am at a WalMart in Chico California, which is about an hour and a half or so north of Sacramento while you there what's going on there. Well, this is where a tent city popped up in the days following the campfire that they're ravaged of this part of the state dozens of people who many of them who lost their homes, and they didn't want to go to shelters in the area. They decided to get tents and have a set up in a in a field along the of the parking lot of of the WalMart here, a number of families and people have actually left to find more permanent housing. But there are still a number of people who are who are here. And there's also the concern about unsanitary conditions. We'll and yet Marcus early are heard you coughing quite a bit yet. What is it like for people that have been there on the ground for you? You just got in there awhile ago, and there have been people that have been dealing with that for for well over all week. Now, Brad it is it is almost. Unbearable? I it brings me back to when we cover the Thomas fire last year, those the the fire burning in the hills. But then you also have this cloud of smoke that is is really just choking the air, and as we flew into Sacramento, you could barely see the ground below. So that gives you an idea of how thick the smoke is. And we heard some information that there is so much smoke in the air. It's it's almost like smoking eleven cigarettes a day. Wow. So that gives you some perspective of how thick it is. So when we talk about the number of people missing, I know it was thirteen hundred last night. How many of them are just not returning phone calls, and how many of them do officials fear actually got caught in the flames? Well, we don't know Brad the exact number, but there are different scenarios. And I and I should point out that in speaking with authorities. They don't believe that the that the people who are considered unaccounted for right now that they're in endanger. But they just don't know. So there's situations where loved ones have have actually reported their relatives missing. Because they haven't heard from them. And so that person is considered missing police looking for them, and they can't find them or you have a another situation where someone has not been reported missing. But instead a level wants a welfare check. Well, there's no house, and there's been no accounting for where some of these people have gone, so they're just literally they're unaccounted for. But. You were talking about a staggering number and the search for people has happened at shelters, and so a thirties have been going to shelters and also to the tent city where I am and checking names and to see if that matches or they can match that against any of the names of people who who are missing, but it is a monumental effort. But it's also an urgent one. Although Marcus there is rain on the horizon. Right. So hopefully that will improve the air quality a little bit. There is rain on the way. But that also leads to concern here at the tent city where I am because it's in a flood plain the city officials have been urging people who have been staying here to to leave find some other place, a safer place to be when the rain comes. It's expected to be late Tuesday, but really on Wednesday and for the next several days following it's going to rain pretty heavily. They anticipate. So that will certainly at a whole new layer of. Concerns, including potential for months, lots. Oh, gosh. Yeah. It it's hard to imagine another natural disaster there. But you're absolutely right. The winter right after a fire is when Californians do get really nervous if they haven't already been affected Marcus be safe out there. Please. Thank you read. Absolutely good to be with you. A lot changes in a weekend. The last time we spoke we were all still waiting on concessions in races for the Florida governor's race. The Georgia governor's race in the Florida Senate race there were no concessions because in each case a democratic candidate was saying we are still waiting for every vote to be counted this weekend. No, the votes were counted enough of them at least to require those Democrats to act let's be clear. This is not a speech of concession on Friday. Stacey Abrams said it was inevitable, Republican Brian. Kemp would be declared Georgia's next governor. He'd avoided a runoff, but she refused to admit that she had actually lost the election on Saturday. Andrew gillum was more definitive are John. I wanted to take a moment to congratulate Mr. desanta STS on becoming the next governor of the great state of Florida with a machine recount finished in Florida. He recognized there were not enough votes out there to make a difference. But the tightest of all these. Was the Florida Senate race which was still tight enough for mandatory manual recount, there'd been plenty of frustration. Over the vote counting in Florida's larger counties like Broward and Palm Beach the accusations of fraud were never substantiated by evidence. But accusations of slowness and carelessness certainly were at the end of it. Although that manual recount finished on time and Bill Nelson conceded to his Republican challenger, Rick Scott, I was not victorious in this race. But I still wish to strongly reaffirm the cause for which we fought a public office is a public trust. And so this morning besides a runoff in Mississippi slanted for later this month, the twenty nine hundred Senate is set and the Republicans have added two more seats to their advantage. ABC's political director Rick Klein joins us now. And so Rick, I know the ra- ballots in certain counties where you actually couldn't see the Senate race as easily in those happen to be democratic leaning counties. What is the most significant thing we learned from Florida? Was it a political lesson? Or was it a vote counting lesson? I'll tell you talking to Democrats since the election. The Florida is the biggest disappointment to them a puzzle. Really they feel like they made such gains around the country, including in some battleground states, like some big states in the upper midwest, but Florida just be devil them once again and to be disappointed in both the governor's race and Senate race, they can blame ballot design Blaine what you want. But President Trump showed himself to be pretty popular there. There's an increasing number of Democrats who think it really may not be in play in in two thousand twenty that could just be sliding to the Republican side. Although Democrats do feel like they learned a lot of lessons about Florida. They think might be applicable for the presidential. Let me ask you about Georgia. Because in Florida, you got Andrew gillum saying, you know, I came up short. This was a long shot, but we did our best people around Stacey Abrams in Georgia are saying this race was stolen from us yesterday. She went on CNN herself and refused to call Brian. Kemp the legitimately elected governor of Georgia. I mean is this the race Democrats are gonna keep talking about for the fall? Owing weeks and months, I think George highlighted a whole range of issues regarding voter suppression. The fact that the secretary of state was also running for governor refused. The recused himself some new voter access laws. I don't think it's fair to say that the election was stolen. But I do think it's fair to argue for the democratic perspective that if everyone was given an equal chance to vote if if these new laws hadn't come into effect that made it a lot easier to remove particularly African American and first time voters from the roles could have been a more competitive race might've even gone to run off all of that is arguably true. I know that eight years of systemic disenfranchisement disinvestment and incompetence had its desired effect on the electoral process in Georgia. And I think for Democrats in Georgia. This is a fast changing state. They live for very excited about the fact that they have this potential first African American woman as a as a democratic candidate. They thought they can break through it is a bitter disappointment. But I think more so than the Florida disappointment. This one is instructive to Democrats and tells them they're going to have to start to work on the laws of voter access. If they're going to try to be competitive in a range of states, and I I do think the Abrahams campaign broke through in a way nationally, there's a lot of people didn't want, and I think the issues highlighted a may also breakthrough nationally and kind of energize some talk about voter turnout and voter registration and changing laws to allow more participation in that less. Yes. Ninety nine Senate seats down one more run off in Mississippi next week. We will check in with you. Then rick. Thank you. Thank you. Brad. Next up on start here. The president seems to trust the Saudis, but he also says he will not listen to the murder. They've admitted to. So if you're struggling to get a good night's sleep. Then maybe it's time to give the purple mattress a try. It's made out of this brand new material that's better than memory foam. It's breathable it sleeps cool, and it's got a zero gravity feel to it. You can try with its one hundred night risk free trial, and it's got free shipping and returns. Also, you'll get this free purple pillow when you purchase the purple mattress just by texting S H podcast two four seven four seven four seven. The only way to get the free pillow is if you text S H podcast two four seven four seven four seven that's S H P O D C AST two four seven four seven four seven. Message and data rates may apply. The Saudi Arabian government said a lot of things since the Washington Post writer Jamal kashogi was murdered last month. They said it wasn't murder for a while. They said he wasn't even dead. Even though we now know a team of Saudis were sent to stable to kill him and dispose of his body, which by the way, still not been found. But one thing they have remained crystal clear on that the crown prince Mohammad bin Salman had nothing to do with this that he would never order an execution. Like this not in another country, not a legal resident of the United States his ally. A lot of outside observers though, have found that implausible, and now the CIA might be among them. And yet President Trump continues to signal he trust the Saudis, and so the question this morning is how long can that last ABC senior foreign correspondent, Ian panel joins us now, and Ian, President Trump even seems to have some of the evidence of this killing in his possession yet, Bradley. That's right. The president now for the first time admitting that the US has a secret recording. The murder of the Rhonda Jamal has Shoghi. We're going to come up with a report as to what we think the overall impact was and who caused it visits the first public knowledge, I think certainly by the president's the do have it, and that's it appears to detail the merger itself. Although interestingly he's saying that he hasn't listened to it. And he doesn't want to listen to it. Why would he not want to listen to it? I think because the contents of pretty gruesome, and that certainly watts the president said who speaking on Fox News. He was asked by the the Anka, why don't you want to hear it, sir? His answer was it's a suffering tape. It's a terrible tape. I've been fully briefed on it. There's no reason for me to hear it. But that doesn't necessarily tell us who ordered it though. The Washington Post is reporting that officials have now concluded it was Mohammed bin Salman. What would they be basing that on? This is interesting. This is the first thing to make clear his the local intelligence agencies makes assessments. There isn't here is a smoking gun. There's no proof absolute defacto proof of this was ordered by Muhammad bin Salman, but their assessments is that he probably ordered the killing that's based on a number of things. Firstly an intercepted phone call involving the crown prince's brother, who's the Saudi ambassador to Washington, essentially, encouraging Mr. has Shoghi to go to the comes in Turkey to collect these paperwork. He needed for his marriage the other evidence or the other suspicion is based on the phantom. We talked about this before this is an absolutist monarchical system in a system like that people generally do not on their own initiative. So that they're also kind of basing on that and saying look in them mind their assessments, it was the crown prince who actually ordered it. And that's now the impact up by members of congress from both sides. They don't get onto airplanes go to Turkey and chop up and the consulate. Who's a critic of the crown prince without the crown prince having known about it and sanctioned it. Well. Here's my question in. I mean, people have said President Trump does not trust the CIA, but that's not necessarily true. Right. I mean, he trusted them enough to conduct missions against ISIS in Africa. It was when you started talking about things like Russian election interference that he openly sided with Flammer Putin. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be is about convenience. I mean, how convenient would it be to ignore the right here? It will be hard to ignore. This completely the primacy of the economic relation this strategic relationship with Saudi Arabia should not be forgotten will the importance of trade on sales Trump human rights at sadly, the answer is probably yes. And so I think it's going to be very difficult balancing act. The more of this audio that becomes available. The more pressure that will be on the Trump administration to do. More than it has so far and all it's done. So far is sanctioned the group of individuals who are alleged to have been the killers one of the things that we shouldn't forget the president cooled the assessment premature be did say that would be a fresh assessment made public on Tuesday. The do I think that the president wants to hang the crown prince out to dry. That's what it looks like the moment. So many angles on the story. Ian, somehow you cover them all thank you. Thanks, brad. Remember earlier we were talking about the Republican victories in the Senate and some of these governors races. But take a look over the house. I grew up in Orange County, California and this weekend, we learned for the first time ever in the land of Nixon and Reagan every congressional seat. There will be blue next year. The democrat pickups have grown more lopsided in the last week there now at thirty seven seats and counting. So the question is what will these Democrats do with their new power and could they exercise their constitutional right to impeach the president will last night on a Guinea a new docu series premiered called the Clinton affair. It's about the Clinton impeachment. And it continues tonight at nine pm. We've got the director Blair foster here and Blair you're doing this project about norms being questioned an emboldened house with angry voters everyone's talking about sexual misconduct at dinner parties. All of a sudden like I got to imagine the current state of play came up. It's interesting. You know, they say past as prologue, and we really very quickly realize. That we were making series as much about today as we were at the events that happened then you have a president under investigation, which does I call it should never have taken place. It continues to go on you have a national discussion about sexual harassment. And you haven't really deeply partisan time the nineties is when I think partisanship search to really kind of ratchet. It's how this town is already like a pressure cooker and with all of congress about to return tomorrow, it can only become more. So when I guess you could make the argument that data impeachment affected. How Americans see the president and the presidency one of the lines. I really stuck with me. It was by journalists named Joe Klein who described President Clinton as immoral in his personal life, but imminently moral in his public life. And you know, the question that we were asking ourselves on this project is should we hold our elected officials to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. And I think we would like our elected officials to be moral in both their public. And private lives. Well, that's kind of at the center of the metoo movement. Isn't it? Whether you really can separate someone's private life from their professional life, especially if they're encouraging colleagues and subordinates to be part of their private lives. Monica Lewinsky spoke to you guys for about twenty hours. What have these last twelve thirteen months in like for her? You know, it's very interesting to go back and look at the reaction to win the story broke a, you know, immediately. She no one believed her at the beginning. They thought she was making it all up. She was a Stocker. And in fact, one news story compared her to Glenn Close from fatal attraction, and then she became this vixen seductress, and it really never seemed to occur to anyone that perhaps want it takes two people to participate in a relationship, and we should maybe question the president's actions as well. Well, she was a national pariah. Right. And specifically among Democrats does she feel like there's hypocrisy there. Does she feel indication? I didn't get a sense of her feeling vindicated in any way, shape or form. I get a sense of a woman that wants to. Live her life and has been tarred with this for for twenty years. Like, you know, a giant scarlet letter mortified afraid of what this was going to do to my family. And just you know, made a mistake that she deeply regrets and apologized for it's something that's going to be something that she'll live with for the rest of her life. Well, then that to this impeachment conversation. Do you think the Republicans of the nineteen nineties these Newt Gingrich Republicans would have any advice Democrats that that just swept to power? Well, one of the things that was I learned I learned so much on this project, you know, in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight midterm elections. The Republicans actually take a real drubbing, and there is a genuine Blue Wave in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight which is the signal to politicians that they don't want the president impeach- and the Republicans move forward with it. Anyway, the other thing to keep in mind that I didn't realize impeachment is a deeply political act. It's not illegal act. You're not on trial in a court of law. It's a political act. And I think the political well has to be there to do it. Otherwise, I think if you move forward with an impeachment, and the political will isn't there? It's deeply damaging to the country. A lot of Democrats begging to pass some bills to two policies. But then you've got the other Democrats. Who ran on providing a real check on the White House and some investigations we will see what strategy wins here. In the meantime, Blair will look for the Clinton affair next episodes on agony tonight starting at nine pm. Thank you. Oh, thank you so much for having me on. And one last thing this just be clear. I mean, we didn't win enough yesterday. Our partners at ESPN reported that the Cleveland Browns who've recently fired their coach one to interview several replacements, but a source in the NFL offices told them one stuck out Condoleeza Rice. That's right. The former secretary of state under George W Bush. He's a huge football fan. She was actually part of the committee that selects the college football playoff teams. The Browns said, no, they aren't interviewing rice, they haven't actually considered her. But it raises the question when will we see a female head coach in the pros in just the last few years, we've seen a number of women higher to be decision-makers at the highest level of men's sports two years ago. Catherine Smith was hired by the Buffalo Bills becoming the first woman to work fulltime on an NFL coaching staff this year the Oakland Raiders hired twenty six year old Kelsey Martinez to be on their strength and conditioning staff and at forty Niners games. You will see Katie sours rocking the headset as an offensive assistant that doesn't even count. The number of women who are finding respect in pro basketball locker rooms, but still an assist. Is one thing a head coaching gig. Where wins and losses all rest on you were public perception can be fickle where you can get blamed for a players mistakes is another Condoleeza Rice. Meanwhile, says she will not be the first female head coach she says, she does not have enough experience. Plus even detractors would say with her pedigree. She shouldn't be setting her sights on running one team he should be eyeing a job as Commissioner. Right off you go live your best Monday start here. Tomorrow just hit. Subscribe. 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Up In The Air

Around the Horn

22:52 min | 2 years ago

Up In The Air

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Look at Clinton gave fill just the mere mention of the NFC east, and they all this division is opposed to be come on. I'm going to start with you because this is Washington, and this is your division here. Do we see a shift in the way things to go with the injury the Smith and how this look yesterday? I don't think there's going to be that big of a shift because I always thought this division was up for grabs because Washington is just not that good. I mean, we look at how they execute. They want a very odd game against the buccaneers. They lost this. It sounds sort of crass to say, but Alex Smith ceiling was always in question. He had two picks when that lead breaking happen. And that's unfortunate. But I never really thought they were going to be in the top as it were. So gals getting back into it. I think it's just a matter of the season playing out over time. This best player on Washington's team is the punter tells you everything right guy Sola I wasn't too long ago and back two weeks to be exact that we were talking about the head coach of Dallas maybe being out since then they go on the road. They win and Philadelphia. They went on the road in Atlanta. And then. They got a team coming into their building on thanksgiving that's going to be playing Colt McCoy at quarterback doesn't make an impossible for Washington. But right now with that running back and the way Dak Prescott played on that final drive. Drove them down the field for the winning field goal. I liked the way down. Now that we've heard from the guys who are in towns of NFC east teams. Jackie mac. What are we looking at here with Washington? What are we looking at here with Dallas? Is this interesting in any way or just two very mediocre teams? And then also the defending champs struggling. I mean, it's interesting because Frank I saw it looks like a young Alpa chino today, doesn't he write the godfather? On the road. Philadelphia. Didn't they went on the road and one in Atlanta? Neither one of those do a whole lot for me because still Elfi is not very good Atlanta's worse. But it makes it interesting because they're going to play each other this week and Zeki Elliot can continue. I would just give him the ball all day every day. Then I liked Alice's chances. I don't know if it will save as save his job though. Garrett's job Willett Frank. I'm not sure I'll go plash gate. You want to weigh in left to you. I think it's a dramatic shift Redskins loss of quarterback. And the Cowboys found the running back in the middle linebacker Vander ash. I mean, they've, you know, they've completely turned everything around to my mind last couple of games Garrett has gotten in his mind giving the ball Elliott caught the most passes he's ever caught on Sunday and runs between the tackles gained seven yards per carry between the tackles that's been his best. The last two games. I think the Cowboys are in the driver's seat. Sunlen Yates, Colt McCoy going forward or this. Mark Sanchez signing a right before thanksgi-. Giving which is timing out. Very well for Mark standards. I would say, yeah. I mean Sanchez with a lot of coaches on the staff, I don't hate the Colt McCoy situation showed a little spunk. Last game you want as a QB was in Dallas, Texas guy. So I've got a little bit of confidence in him. But again that he's a huge dropoff. I think that the comments is really more in in Gruden. He likes to run a ball control offense that limits turnovers. So that doesn't so fill in the blank with your quarterback. If you follow that particular fossil. When you talk about high pressure jobs in the NFL being the coach and the quarterback of the Cowboys is way up there and two weeks ago, we were killing both of them. Let's give them a little bit of credit right now, everything is in their hands that game for them on Thursday is set up and planning. Jackie talking about Gruden into running backs the running back so hurt though. I mean in Peterson's hobbled, I'm not so sure this. They can save the day for the Redskins will move on saints. Forty eight eagles seven biggest laws by the fending champion ever. Thirty one and drew Brees still in the game. That's the first of all then it was fourth and seven and they went for it. That's the next. And of course, they get a touch in the forty eighth spot and the world's pacing have just about the best offensive season ever Bill. This ask until you more about the saints or the defending not really depending chance we knew the saints for a great. We finally realized this is all about the eagles. They're done. They're the Super Bowl hangover has completely wiped them out there injury. They're tired. They're distracted at one point. They played three Cornerbacks on the field. The same time who won't even with the team a month ago. So the books hit him Carson Winston snapping the same. He's still recovering. They don't have the same Mojo. It goes back. Remember when Malcolm Jenkins warned everybody back in training camp? Don't rest on our laurels there. Restaurant our laurels. Now. There's interesting to me though, because you called it a hangover then you mentioned that their entire defensive backfield is new and different. I mean, I'm not sure if a hangover applies if you're so. By injuries. And you've got such a new union but injuries happen to teams that are wiped out injuries eagles last year. They were injured team, and they were able to overcome Clinton Yates more about New Orleans yesterday more about Philadelphia. I think it was more about Philadelphia. But I agree with you. Tony there's not as much of a hangover they lost their offense coordinator and their quarterbacks coats. There is a brain trust issue that has changed with the eagles. And it's affected the way that they've played. They've been blanks in eight of ten I quarters this season or not out of the gate. Well at all, and they just don't look good. So to me this is much more about the eagles. We know what the saints can do. And they put the pressure on. I'm still trying to figure out how the saints lost to Tampa Bay that in week one thing about the eagles this season. They've only scored twenty one points a total of twenty one points in the first course, so the constantly playing from behind and we all love Carson Wentz. But a lot of you know, pressure in blame has to go to him. He's not all the way back like Bill said and remember this. They won the Super Bowl without him last year. He's yet to win a playoff game. So he still has a lot to prove Jacky when you look at it that way, maybe you could focus in on what Frank was just thinking about Carson Wentz. And also what gates is saying about the brain trust guys have left. Doug Peterson still there that was the face and name of the brain trust last year. Right. But not necessarily the offensive brain trust. Then thank you talk about Wentz. He's had some issues. And I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of protection he's getting this season. I think I have the stats in front of me. But he got a lot better protection last season. Honestly, Tony, I don't know why we're not talking about the saints. I'm gonna talk about the saints. Drew Brees is on Kapar for. I don't care make a face MVP season. Never been in only forty years old like we should be talking about drew Brees all the time. You know? What's so interesting about him? We know Tom Brady's polarizing and Aaron Rodgers is polarizing is there any other quarterback in the league that everybody agrees. They absolutely love. That's right, everybody. Let's talk about drew Brees. Jackie has the creative. It's drew Brees day. Bill plash, Keith go ahead. Breezes, the MVP unbelievable bitches about say that Jackie now, everybody's. They are the best team in the NFL right with the news. Yeah. I mean, it's a fun story. I like drew Brees in the saints or just. Is the best. We could serve a fun store. Let me ask you this Frank. Yeah. You're on fourth and seven up thirty one going for it. There's there's fourteen minutes left in the game. It's the NFL. We would want him to kick a long field goal. That's gonna make you feel better one quick. And since Jackie through complimented me. I'm gonna throw in England. It just goes to show you how great the patriots have been whether they win the Super Bowl loses Super Bowl. They always come back the next year. And they're just as tough that tells you something about becky's like, well, that's not a compliment my way. Young out Pacino it. She's. We're gonna move this next story Condoleeza, right, right? If you I saw the report from Adam Schefter on Twitter, you checked like three times Steve was at darn Schefter. If you heard him seeing on TV you ask for a birth certificate to make sure it wasn't Frank Kellyanne though, I mean, that's how four of left field. This came Cleveland Browns statements, saying they're still in the process of composing the list of head coaching as it is. And former secretary of state rice has not been this has got to go down one of the most bizarre. The full statements of all time that you never thought you would ever see Rice's statement did advocate for women coaches. But also, essentially sit let's be serious here. I'm not ready to coach and I love to call play next year. The Browns need new ideas, Frank it, certainly was a new idea. What are you doing with all the information, and what should Browns fans be doing with it? The permission. Well, I can't imagine that she was never going to be the coach. I mean, that's something that you need experience. I will say this about her being in the front office. Go back to win Boesch Mbeka went from being the coach. In Michigan to being the president of the Detroit. Tigers I remember thinking years ago in the Knicks. We're looking for a president higher. Bill Parcells that's a good organizational guy that knows how to run things if you wanna put her in a position like president in a position of leadership where you know, she could run it organization. I think that makes sense coaching a little bit different. You really have to work at a much lower level, build your way up and of all the sports more. So than any other Jackie MacMullan. What did you think? When you first heard report. I was like, wow. I mean, I knew Condoleeza Rice was a college basketball fan. I didn't know about this love affair with the Cleveland Browns. She's the only person left on earth just about. Route. So that didn't make a lot of sense to me. I would say this. I think there is a place for women coaches in football. Just like, I think there's a place for female coaches in every sport. But it should be Catherine Smith who worked with the bills or Katie sours who's been part of the forty Niners who has that background and Condoleeza made that point yourself. I like Frank's idea get Condoleeza Rice rice in the front office in some capacity, because she's a brilliant woman who knows football. I'm also if it were to run, the organization CEO style rice would be an attractive candidates that you Jackie Frank. It seems like you're saying yes to that. Absolutely. Will what do I be a great candidate? Anybody who watched hard knocks could say leaves rice could come in there and really get that go into shape. She'd be perfect any probably what happened was they probably mentioned her as a candidate just for the organization and somehow got more to the coaching candidate. I I would seriously consider our pursue her bring her in your to run the show. I think she'd do great job. I'm still shocked to hear all this because this is so far at a left field. I have to say. Clinton. When you first heard the report he had to think is there something that I'm missing here. And then when you heard the denials from the team and from rice itself, what are you doing with all that information? Basically, I think as everything you said, Tony, this is kind of embarrassing. Listen, it's not about Condoleeza Rice. She's a smart person that you would want in your fun offices. Everybody else's stated, but it makes the Browns look like they have no idea what they're doing. When it comes to potentially finding someone to lead that team. They've had a decent around in my opinion in terms of Baker Mayfield. And with the teams look like and now you have this. It's not about rice. It's about just the general left field of it. I don't like it at OPEL ask your back in. No, I just opposite Clinton the Browns browser thinking outside the box. They're not gonna hire is the head coach. But to bring it in your organization, I wanna organization to do some thinking what did you do in the past has not worked Frank? Why not? But I I agree with with Clinton sane in terms of coaching. It makes a mockery of the whole process. Even of the profession, I think in a lot of ways in Barrasso's Condoleeza Rice, putting her in a CEO position. Absolutely coach come on Jackie MAC. So and I can tell you this firsthand if you're a female in your in your industry, you don't want someone to offer you a job or talk about you for a job for publicity purposes. You want them to talk about it because you deserve the job like Beckingham, and like Nancy drew mentioned both coaches. We've been more. We'll take a break right here. Jackie MAC, you call Frank guy stola young alpha chino, which is an incredible. Thank you very much. Jackie. Thank you very much tight. But most we have in the show today. I always said Laura Dern plays Jackie in the show. And we got Billy Joel thing. Within the you wanna nominate anyone to play you. What's that guy's name? Jerry loops have I told me. Okay. I'll take that roundworm buyer filmmakers get out. The Hornets presented by eastern. Please drink responsibly par happy hour. -nology truth brought to you by comb. Truth teenagers can communicate entirely in emojis. Why birthday party? Pizza slice kitten sucker bulb pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch them. Save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are you talking about paper clips shoulder? Shrug high five wizard hat what go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Welcome back to around the horn presented by. I'm happy hour. Colts thirty eight titans. Ten Andrew walk three touchdown passes for the seventh week in a row more impressive than that. Though is effort trying to catch a touchdown that check this out. And then maybe most impressive look hasn't been sacked in the last month. Seven days ago. This panel gave me tight says the best the division. They beat the patriots. I didn't I say again, none of you. Even brought up the Houston. Texans who've won seven straight games after starting the year, Owen three Bill more impressed with what the colts are doing. And look coming back or what? Detectives are doing more impressed with the Texans. It's a food. I came in ninety three years to do that seven straight wins after going on three eighth ranked defense in the league. They have won four straight on the road. If they stay healthy, stay healthy. They can be Super Bowl contenders. Super Bowl consented for the Texans. Well, now that you go into that defense against Kansas getting the lady against the patriots, guess feelers Clinton gate, Seva you. I'm more impressed with the colts because of Andrew luck managing to come back from that injury. But the Texans are still the better football team classy has this would write their defense is going crazy. And I'm not just saying that is because I saw it'd be Washington yesterday Branko Sola. Hey, JJ watt into shown Watson or healthy. How great is that? But thrown a you mentioned the set five games that's two hundred and fourteenth snap since he was last Andrew up. All he did his first few years was get beaten up. They put an offensive line together. Look how good Andrew Jackson MAC. Not only that one of the things we knew about Andrew luck. When things were going bad was eat enforce the ball through picks during this winning streak day. He's only thrown one interception. So the things we always said about luckily forces the ball, he never gets protection. And is he healthy enough? All three of those have been answered I think that's pretty amazing. I don't think anybody to begin the year talked about this team as a puff potential playoff team. And I don't think anybody was talking about the tickets is a potential Super Bowl team except for Bill plastic. Let me did they are not the only say sold them one looker less are you with okay? Graven twenty four Bengals Twenty-one. Lamar Jackson nineteen passes thrown twenty-seven ruptured. That included Neil vans. But it's the most in the NFL in fifty eight years most by five and his best running play was chasing down the game ball from the referee Clinton. What were your first impressions of Lamar gun the suit? I certainly think he played well enough to justify the star was an issue in Baltimore considering what they were dealing with harp. All but he's facing some of the bottom rushing teams in the league coming up on the schedule. So they're going to be running a lot more. I still want to see the guy throw the ball board though. I didn't love that pig. But I do think he's good for them. I art he's dynamic. He's exciting. But I agree with Marvin Lewis said after the game, you know, you can do that now. But that does not work long term in the NFL. You have to be a guy that runs on occasion. Not all the time. What did you think of that? Like, I said the most runs in the NFL and sixty years by five for four quarterback. Right. So I don't know why Al Pacino throwing cold water on his big day here. Very first. Runs. I understand that. Well, let's. Got it said that was the losing football coach that Sunday. So I I agree that this isn't a long term solution. But my guess is at some point flack look gets his job. He'll Plachy this. Stop getting Frank started. Jackie please. But it was fun. It was fun to watch. But it's against the worst defense in the NFL. They'd give up over five hundred yards the previous three games of the Bengals had. I don't know if it's gonna last fire SIL three now team of the week game of the year kickoff in three hours. Rams, and she I gotta get there. I gotta glad I can get you can get to their right now. If you want, right. So you're expecting pensive bonanza houses game, it'd be one. Absolutely. I think it's going to live up to the hype. I think the Rams are gonna win it. How great is it to get a high profile game that doesn't include the patriot? The Steelers the Cowboys the giant two new teams. It's good to Jackie Mack. Well, I think it's a great game because it's the future with the two great young quarterbacks that everybody's got the rise on a home. And caught off. I'm gonna take Kansas City in this game Frank. He gets rid of the ball two and five point five seconds or less better than anybody in the league, right? Yeah. Give you some analysis. Your Bill plan you Franks telling me it's a good game. Thank you for Franken. You hear that from you? And Jackie finally, got to Mahomes and how he gets rid of the ball. But please go ahead. He gets rid of the ball fast. Aaron Donald gets to the backfield faster than anyone that's ran into this game. This game. We'll pass rush on on the chiefs at home to call is going to be rocking. Ransoming gates. Yeah. I think that with the enemy and Mahomes that combination from his offense coordinator in the quarterback. I really like what the chiefs are going to do. But they gotta make sure they don't make mistakes chief average the most penalties. Is that right that you don't see that off piece of information? Ready? No, not a not rate. To turn over to the level that you need to for showdown. But we'll let you go right here. Create different plants. He's going to give the governor's view. I sold the McMullan's in showdown Frank. She's. She's everywhere they go. I'm out of order you ready over audit border. Let's go take a break. We'll be. Brought to you by coming to you from the seaport district of Pierce seventeenth. On the Hornets. Presented by both eastern. Drink responsibly. Happy out. Jackie mcglone, Frank. I fill a two point conversion away from winning the show or are they going for? Let's see here's Ron Rivera. Go for two on the road to win the game. I was going for the win to win the game. I went for two to win the football. When that two point conversions doesn't win. It's does it L go on Ron for going forward or on Cam for missing the past right? Both of them. The execution was terrible. I didn't like the play look at the way Maryland played their gaming. And so how stayed have the quarterback running out the execution didn't work there either. I don't know why the venue is such a big deal. Go for the tie play overtime. Yeah. Go for the time play overtime. And you know what? If you absolutely are hell, bent, running the two point conversion, Tony. Then let Cam Newton fake the passing run it in the end zone himself in twice in his career and connected both. Yes, I agree with you on the play call. But I agree with Rivera that you're going to hear win the game will win the game. We'll split the point because it is. Because this is the way we're doing things we're moving on out to well Khalil Mack did with one arm to a three hundred and five pound, man. What Kirk cousins did to the Vikings. Take away from the bears. Win stranglehold on the division right now. Jackie. Well, we know the bears are all about defense and raiders fans. Cover your ears MAC wreaked havoc back there. They have eighteen interceptions. Tony that's more than the past two seasons. Combined historically built around defense and they have the great linebacker. But this is also about the development of their second year. Vicky who's been terrific this year. And with Green Bay struggling why not we're an Alpa chino reference away from winning the showdown Franken sold, but I didn't hear you. Frankie knocking the point key MAC base time, thirty seconds. Well, happy thanksgiving to everybody fan. I hope you will give thanks to the born people in your life. I'm going to do that for the three charities that I've been involved with over the past few years, we know that charities raise hundreds of thousands of dollars. But the people behind those characters don't make a lot of money. Other the ones I'm going to recognize today that includes you bog scandal from the Dorchester, boys and girls lose amazing Virginia Pook as Ian with worked for Huntington's disease. Society of American England overtime our own illness to help those families in need. And of course, Lindy kids from studio type. You guys are what what a great faith. Jackie Frank was just going to talk about the Knicks. So there we go. We'll see you tomorrow right job, jacking.

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Will virtual dates stick around after the pandemic?

The Vergecast

37:08 min | 2 months ago

Will virtual dates stick around after the pandemic?

"Hey. Everybody it's Neil I from the verge cast special third episode in the field today, not the verge chest. But why did you push that button? One of my favorite podcasts that we put on hiatus plan Caitlin tiffany went to the Atlantic Ashley Carmen convinced her to come back record special episode of Roger Perset Button about dating in the pandemic under quarantine under lockdown. The tools people are using how relationships are developing I love the show so much I am so happy. CAITLIN did a little renegade episode with US check it out. It's Ashley and Caitlin with you. Push that button. Hello and welcome to wide. You push that a show where CAITLIN. Tiffany Hello Ashleigh Carmen. That's me examine all the choices. Technology forces us to make. We are back sort of just for now. Just I hit a yeah. A little one off for all of you who have stuck with us. For this almost year, since we last released in episode I have absolutely no sense of whether that's accurate because i. no longer have any idea of the use of calendars. Yes so. Pandemic Kate. How how have you been doing? Let let's give listeners a little bit of a sense of our mental state these days. Yeah I think I'm getting into the swing of it. When a couple of months ago. When we started talking about doing this episode, it was chaos here in the tiffany home. I had recently broken a mere a window to wine glasses. It was basically like I was just kind of crunching around like a floor covered in glass, being like I. Wonder if I'll ever see my friends or family. On to that was a dark time, but you know things are picking up in New York a little bit world to go to the beach crucial the allowed to look at each other outside. If not touch each other, so things are on the on the APP. Yeah, we've. We've seen each other, which is really great I think I've sort of settled into a routine of sorts I've done pandemic Bingo. I've done polygon workouts I've made various foods and baked I've done a puzzle I. I hate to admit out loud. I learned tiktok dances in Jello shots. My birthday that you made me. Yes, anyway, so we wanted to do this episode. Where of course why? Push that button? We are always curious about how dating is affected. What's changing in dating these days until we wanted to episode about how cove nineteen in the pandemic has forced us to make a ton of decisions about how he live work, relax etc, and how he date. Everyone's been staying at home as As you all know, and so that means they haven't been able to date and virtual dating has become a thing and we wanNA know. Is this the thing that's going to last forever? Or is this a pandemic phenomenon at? We're going to all forget ever happened. Repress it maybe mentioned it to our therapist once, and then that's it. Yes, so virgil dating I the first half of virtual dating is a concept that was already part of normal dating, just swiping on tinder or okay. Okay cupid or hinge is more of a squirrel type action, but you know whatever, and then the virtual component is that because we have been under stayed home orders, and because people been encouraged not to hang out in close proximity of people who don't live with them. You just don't do the whole thing where you meet up in a bar. Who would you can't do? You don't do the whole kissing thing. You don't do any of that. You just like facetime or zoom or Or skype. OR INSERT ALTERNATIVE, secure video conferencing software here to see if you have a connection, which all of that I think makes sense where kind of interested in what happens after the first time you facetime with somebody a win you. How do you build momentum? Can you build momentum? Is it actually dating and will there be like remnants of Virtual Day Day in postponed MC Romance. How effective is virtual dating really and I think broadly geographic location has become increasingly less important like. Like when you're doing remote work, it doesn't matter where you are could be doing an afforest or beach or in the city, and it really does not matter as long as I have an Internet connection, but you know with dating these dating APPs have kind of made. It seem maybe geographic location doesn't matter for that either, so we WANNA know how effective it really is to date from afar, and so here's here's some stats. We're just GONNA throw some numbers at everybody okay, cupid. Cupid said that sixty two percent increase in daters on okay, keep it going virtual dates in April compared to march, and it started including covid nineteen questions in people's profiles. They could talk about how they feel about. The pandemic harmony reported twenty seven percent increase in messages in April. Match said that daily swipes an all time high during its last earnings report, which was amid pandemic, so obviously, all of these stats are a little bit older, but they are from the peak of the. The pandemic, which is when we would expect most people to be using their APPs and video calls the most so presumably while the pandemic of wanes, and then comes back during the year will see people stay on the APPS, the probably change how much they're using them depending on the state of lockdown in their state or country, so we figured we should reach out to a dating expert. Ak Someone who works in the field and find out how things are going on the ground. toback in March way back when we talked to Pretty Josh, the VP of strategy at bumble about what they were saying with numbers during the pandemic and assure more people are using the APP. We saw an eighty four percent increase in video call that were glazed between users and what we are hearing from our users is that this is basically a way for them to connect safely because they can't actually. I Iro right now and because we interviewed her back in March I reached out to get a little bit more of updated numbers, so, but we'll actually saw sixty nine percent increase in video calls on bumbled during the week. Ending may first vs video calls during the week ending March thirteenth and the average video call slash phone call time on Bumble is twenty eight minutes, so people are really like doing the thing. They're doing the virtual dates. There were also some product changes to actually deal with the influx of people using the APP. Most significantly, a bumble adjusted their quote, unquote distance filtering for finding matches. Prior to this world, everyone was able to really interact with or meet people within one hundred mile radius, but now because you know you can't really anybody I are all and a lot of people are quarantining in communities that they aren't necessarily a part of because. Maybe they've back to their parents, houses or something, but we've tried to do give them the ability to connect with folks. Folks that might be a part of the community that eventually go back to, and they also added voice notes, which actually voice are kind of having a moment right now. Yeah, I remember earlier in the whole. Like. How do we date from inside our apartments conversation? A friend of mine was saying that she was going to start sending link. Sultry voice memos, which I honestly thought sounded really fun I actually trying out a little bit when I was longest dating during the pandemic, it wasn't actually sultry, but I did send a lot of voice memos. I love voice memos there on I think more intimate than a sexy pick because they go on for longer, plus we're all alone anyway. It's like you have time and space to listen to this voice. Message is on the move. R.I.P the move, okay, so bumble is not the only dating APP that's creating all these product features, others are of course doing it as well so tinder is letting everyone around the world swiped for free to find quarantine buddies. This is usually a paid feature, but they're making it free. They also want something global mode which completely gets rid of geographic filters entirely for free, so you could be mashing with people wherever vice versa hinges also letting people tap. Tap a button to say they're ready for video. Call date just kind of interesting, but I supposed to facilitate the conversations. You don't have to be awkward, but like. Are you open to video calls? If you're having a conversation with someone in the messages, then you just like hit a button being like I'm ready. Yeah, and it shows up at the bottom of your chat and it's like okay. I guess that means she's good to go where he is. I don't know about that. Okay, and then facebook still has dating thing. They launched their video call. Dating and tinder is also going to launch one on one video calls to so everyone is going all in on video calls virtual dating. The badges lack of location filters. Everything I will say that while I do support this in principle in practice as someone who has really bad webcam face I don't know that it will work for me. You really have to work angles and your lighting. You have to know what you're doing. Tinder I think for me the most interesting one primarily because it's I would assume the world's biggest dating APP and Nikolai are editor earn sheep at the verge. We've talked to the CEO of Tinder. Ellie Seidman for the verge other podcast, called verge cast, and got a little bit more of the behind the scenes details about why they invested in video. Also why they care about this phenomenon videos, not about video videos about live videos about the ability to get connection when we do it on tender, we actually the positive side is we bring to bear all of our experience with safety. You know the things that are completely off platform. We move most cases zero ability to do anything about. Outside of our purview, so there are a lot of benefits so really where he saying as the hat tinder is going to keep us safer on our video calls. Then maybe they would be if we were diseasing, facetime or Google do, or whatever else people use, and this applies to privacy too, so you can actually keep some of your personal information secret from your matches. You'll often want a certain amount of privacy as they're developing a relationship as relationships forming, and they don't know where it's going to end up. They don't know if it's GonNa last and so giving out your facetime. Id Giving your snap handle etc, like giving out all these other things may not be what you want. Allie was actually saying that before the pandemic video calling was on the list of features, they wanted to launch, but it was very low on that list, so the pandemic just set it up, but I'm curious, Kate. If you're on tinder, would you want to use video? Call feature with someone. You don't know yet if it became like a norm to do a quick screening video, call with someone before you took a. A whole night out of your week to meet up with them in person, I think I would be into that. I mean not on the dating APPs right now, but that seems useful to me. I can't even count the number of times that I've liked dragged my but to Bushwick order to Appiano in mid town, and then as soon as the person comes in and says hello. I know that I am. Am Not GonNa Vibe. which maybe sounds shallow, but I think it would be better for everyone if you can just like video chat, be and then not have to have that embarrassing like twenty minute date where one person is ready to book it exactly there's been not so many days, but definitely a couple dates and stand out in my mind where like Oh, if I had a video call to just. Just screen you preliminarily, we would have been good. We could have avoided this whole awkward thing where I've had to chug a glass of wine and then make up an excuse leave. Yeah, there are people who will expose themselves like real quick, and then you can just cut it off. Yeah, if you'RE GONNA make problematic comments, the problematic comics are gonNA come out in that video. Call one way or the other. So imagine that after the pandemic video calls Kinda like we're talking about might stick around as a screening system that just makes sense especially for women for safety to avoid ghosting all the things like video call cool board I'm really curious about is during the pandemic, if while we're stuck with digital dating, which text and voice and video, whether people are actually talking about more meaningful things in there by building a relationship, or if they're kind of just shooting the Shit, talking about being depressed pandemic like fireworks in Brooklyn, whatever versus actually trying to. Go a little deeper and pretty from bumbled told us that with people being stuck inside. They are having more meaningful conversations in the APP and bumble says that it knows this because they have an algorithm that apparently assesses conversation. We have proprietary algorithm that basically helps us understand what a meaningful conversation could look like, and that we can see has increased since the time of kind of bid everyone being quarantined in unlikely pudding, potentially more intent right behind the conversations that they're trying to have and so now we're seeing that about one in four conversations are turning into these meaningful. Meaningful conversations in meaningful chat for lack of a better word that I can only hypothesize are turning into good forms of relationships. However, folks are finding their I. Wish Pretty gave us more info because this is like really shocking to hear, but it's also not that surprising considering we give all these APPs lots of data about ourselves, even if it doesn't really seem like we are, so they can see what we're talking about, and can kind of analyze that information, but yet just suffice it to say these APPs know what you're doing. I would assume that they're probably talking about like. The number of messages people are exchanging or the length of those messages wedge could have been you know a temporary pandemic thing. People are just dumping their anxieties on each other. It could have been sexting. People were extremely warning at the beginning of quarantine. I don't know if we use that word on this show, but it's possible that the meaningful conversation was a was a blip. We don't know how long that's GonNa last in the online dating world. Yeah, like temporarily. People were vulnerable because. Because they had no other outlets except for like therapy and a few friends, but as we go back to potentially at least being able to go on dates outside I think people might go back to their their game playing ways, but because you know Kate, Ni- are not in the dating scene right now. We wanted to talk to a few daters who are on the ground, experiencing this and get their take on housing going for them, and whether virtual dating is here to stay. I, we talk to Catherine Smith writer and author of the memoir all the lives we ever lived seeking solace in Virginia Woolf. I also just finished. He's about corona. Virus Ding Ding loneliness singled on, so she truly knows about isolation and loneliness. Those are some some key themes and new from Rhode Island, but I actually live in Brooklyn most. Catherine got a taste of social distancing a few months before we did in America, I had matched with a guy named Leean earlier in the year in January and then he had actually begun to Hong Kong where he teaches at university because he was in Hong Kong. He was going through social distancing two months before I was, so he was the first person who introduced me to determine social distancing actually on Valentine's Day. And I know idea what he was talking about, and he was like Oh. Yeah, no, that's. When you don't see anyone and I was like. Oh, well, whatever because? This is a problem unique to China. Of course two weeks later, she was ordered to stay at home as well. She then noticed aside effective at home, dating the dreaded check in texts from Scummy X.'s D- and former flames, also noticing that all these other men from my past. We're kind of popping up. You people that I hadn't heard from in months or else people that I had just started dating back in Brooklyn who? Were at the cut of indeterminate place in our relationship, where it really wasn't clear what it was going to be, and it was just kind of put on on hold. I'm very disappointed in my exes. Unsurprisingly that they have not hit me up at all, a mole fended like. Don't you kind of reflect on a relationship when you're all alone and have no one else? Yeah, the two that I had were not very exciting was from somebody. I will never speak to again in my life, and another one was just from some Internet way I went out with three times, so they weren't like they didn't have the drama of Catherine's, but I do understand the impulse to reach out within your pre existing contacts rather than going onto the APP you know it's we're lonely. Lonely we're side. We want the familiar go something you already know even if you might get extremely harsh tax back, that's what I heard from. A lot of my friends who are dating to is that they were texting people who they hit either gone on one date with, and it fizzled who they meant to meet up with, or at least we're hooking up with just because it's a little bit easier than starting fresh like Benepe. covid kind of feels like like the silence and a game of musical chairs where all of a sudden the music stops nurse like. Oh, I guess I'm stuck with. A but I was kind of casually dating so as we were talking about before, so many people are working from home. Geography is becoming a lot less relevant in dating, so a lot of people are figuring. They might as well video chat with someone who lives nowhere near them in Catherine's case, Hong Kong I reached out to him and I'm lonely. And he wrote back hug with all these parentheses which I'd never seen before it the go, that's comforting. And that he was eventually like know we should do one of those weird face time for Steve Things and I think that's not something I would ever normally do realize that I was like sure. Yeah, let's do it. Another interesting consequence of the pandemic has been the slide into complete lack of fashion. Nobody that I know is getting dressed anymore. We all look like slobs. webcams aren't very flattering and Catherine. Knowing this decided. decided to have her date with Ian over the phone instead of on facetime, so that she would not have to try to put herself together for the video call, so we ended up just talking on the phone for three and a half hours, and it was really nice, and like a very strange way to get to someone, and he had this kind of a really amazing radio personality voice I can imagine that in a phone call that long. You have some pretty meaningful conversations, maybe even more so than you would in. An IRA date which don't tend last three and a half hours in my experience, so is social distancing making for better dates I mean. No it's definitely not feel like a real date like if you're both like say in a bar and you know have a couple of drinks or kind of just like warming up to each other in getting like all the impulses that are coming at you or the same impulses. You're seeing the same things in your, whereas like he's looking out at these beautiful hills of Hong, Kong enormous towers, and I'm like sitting on my Jack in the dark. According to Katherine. There's still something missing with this new form of dating like miss like touch. You know like like not necessarily. Bad but like just even this the fact that that's not an option felt very like a little bit of climax. As. We've said we live in a world of unknowns now calendars have no meaning. Don't know why we own them. It's horrible to think about the future. Dating was already so disorienting and alienating, and now it is worse. There's something about not knowing when this is going to end. That makes it feel I think a little bit daunting. You know like I think I think part of the excitement of going online and talking to someone. Is this like promise of possibly getting to see them and heading it off, and it feels to me like what's a little bit like what's the point? So Catherine kind of makes it sound like this whole experiment around virtual dating just is not working out that well, and that may be the whole effort is useless. She definitely have some issues, but she wouldn't go so far to say that it's useless. I think it's actually a very probably great way to get to know someone to me. A barrier feels like what happens next and the fact that like. How long can you sustain this kind of like endless talking when you don't really know like? Are you going to be able to meet up in a month? You an amenable to meet up like four months. You know just feel like indeterminately is really really hard to to maintain like an excitement. Okay, so the fact that Catherine is not willing to completely right. Virtual dating makes me think that we haven't totally gotten to the core here of whether virtual dame completely stick around, but at least makes me think aspects, if not most of it has lasting potential. Yeah, video chat were sold on video chatting I think yeah, and the numbers show that more people than ever using dating apps than before so clearly there's people out there who are trying the APPS for the first time. And I wanted to talk to someone who I knew was new to the dating APPs, and that person is my boyfriend's brother Max. Tinder and hinge dating stories have keeping me quite entertained I. Don't know I one hundred percent love it, but it's working on. It's okay I think I'm setting myself up for Post Corona virus, so think about Max is that he always hated on the dating APPs pre pandemic and refused to use them, so I was super surprised when suddenly he pivoted to downloading them as soon as the pandemic set in. One couldn't go out and like normally like how would meet. Someone is like out and about bar meeting with friends or whatnot or just through mutual friends now obviously really can't go out much and socialize now like Anita socialized. And for a Newbie. He's been very successful. He chatted with two women, both of whom he's gone on facetime dates with and the first one went really well until she pulled the ultimate dating sin. We had another one that up and she'll exam before to Chila. So she actually goes to me on our second day, so it's kind of a corona red flag for me. Actually this happened to another friend of mine, too. Now that I'm thinking about this someone else I know got ghosted during the pandemic and I can't believe it. How do you ghost during a pandemic when we are all under no illusions that you have nothing else going on also kind of. Of Rude at a time, where everyone's really nervous about people getting sick, you know just polite. I, no longer feel like talking to you. I guess that's not polite. Polite version of that then no one has to worry that you have become ill communicable virus, but going going back to Max. Max is second woman. He went on a date with actually. My have some potential girl is actually pretty awesome. We talked so I could easily for a few weeks after back. You're drinking wine hanging out with talking. We're facetime and we got to know each other pretty well. We're talking about like maybe cooking together. She loves cooking. She seems like a really good based off of the food that you showed me I was actually cooking the other night. Generally, he's feeling pretty good about this woman, but their relationship has reached a standstill. After some time ago, we like China disconnected just because there's no physical connection there. It was just because you can't see her mother. After boy colleague Worsens Yours is going. The conversation was meaningful enough to make him want to keep talking to her, but it's still missing that essential physical aspect talking like for weeks on end in his like we're really to know one another like I, just feel. Feel like I. Don't know I like I feel like if there's no like actual physical connection or like being able to be with another person I just feel like it's limiting kind of doesn't feel one hundred percent real I also want to take away from it will be can have them person who makes sense. You know Max sound like the virtual dating situation in the dating APPs. It's just. Just kind of a abandoned over the situation like he's fine, he's doing it. He's making it work for him, but this is just a placeholder. He is ready to get back to imprison dating I mean the first weekend that Russia's open. I'm going to a restaurant. I'm sitting outside like he's ready to go back and social. He's ready so I. Think you know this doesn't speak too highly virtual. Virtual dating sticking around specifically for people who have never been interested in dating online before it seems like he doesn't want to go anymore facetime dates, but he is maybe like comfortable with tinder now as a concept. Yeah, I think he seeing the potential of meeting a bunch of people like it. Broaden your horizons as far as how many people you can meet in a day is unparalleled. So with both Catherine Amax. They are kind of in this spot of like not really knowing what the future is going to hold if they're going to be interested in continuing virtual dating. But, that isn't to say that people haven't successfully managed dating from afar by virtual dating and people who do long distance relationships have had to make the Internet work for them for a very long time way before the pandemic hit, so we want to talk to someone who has been in that situation for some time to see how the pandemic is affecting them. They've been using these tools for a really long time, so we want to know what they tell us about the future of virtual dating. So, we chatted with a man named Matt who's partner lives in another country and was already in a long distance relationship before the pandemic started my name's Matt. Prayed now I am living at my childhood home in New Jersey. He and his partner Mike Who Lives in Canada are a true tinder, love story, but the pandemic is throwing off their plans I met my partner Mike four years ago now when I was on a business trip in Montreal and we met on Tinder at the time. We're now working on visa application, and that requires us to live in separate countries, so we're pretty used long distance at this point we have gotten into the groove of it and understand each other's boundaries and communication. Feeling what both Maxon Catherine kind of talked about feeling this no end in sight type of mindset in the past we've been able to visit each other once a month or so, and that's really been like what's rooted us to the relationship. I guess you know obviously now that the borders closed. That's changed so since then we've kind of had to reckon. Reckon with knowing when we'll see each other again. Which is something that we've never really had to deal with before? Matt and Mike have figured out ways to stay in touch normally, but now that they can't see each other in person at all the need to keep up. Communication is even more urgent. It's honestly impressive. Different platforms and chat format sleeping using. One of the things we do is. We Watch TV together. That's always been a way that we relax and recently we've been really into the real housewives. It's just such a good way for us like. At the end of the night. Ultimately, we usually end up using. FACEBOOK MESSENGER call or facetime? We also play animal crossing together now or play Mario Kart together and things like that where you know the online play. It makes it feel like for closer, and then we try to like throughout the day. Keep that call going as much as we can, I'll just you know. Prop my phone up against the wall on writing or on drinking my coffee in writing and just trying to keep the the connection open so still we're seeing technology as dating enabler, but that only seems to. To be a temporary replacement I it's a buffer for one. You can eventually be together in person and in the end. Unfortunately, Kate real housewives is not a replacement for her real hug. Physical intimacy doesn't translate very well. That's also something that we've had to deal with for a long time, but always with that knowledge that next month will see each other again. Next month we can land same badge, or you know so I think that probably is what translates least well for us is how much you want to be able to give somebody hug right now. They're also real life gestures and activities that are genuinely romantic, but don't really work when you adapt them into a digital context, things like having a candlelight dinner or just things where you would usually put some extra effort into a date can feel cheesy when you're on the Internet because it's like. Why am I lighting these candles in my bedroom? Year, so I think a lot of what I've come to realize is like you kind of have to change your expectations. A little bit of what is romantic or Now feels somewhat romantic to just sit down and watch the real housewives of beverly hills whereas like cooking, same dinner and lighting a few candles can feel cheesy, or it doesn't translate as well. Yeah, and the pandemic, just a huge hurdle for them, because more than anything else going through. Hopefully, what's a once in a lifetime event would be really nice to do with a human being by your side, the feeling but wall this absolutely ludicrous thing is happening in the world. I can't be with him for it like we can't really go through a together. That's the part that bothers me. More is a present moment and not being able to help each other through it as much as we'd like to. Obviously we love that and his partner and wish them the best. They seem to be working really hard to keep their relationship steady, and we have no doubt that they'll make it through the pandemic. Feel optimistic in that. We both seem to be in a similar place with it. Which is uncomfortable? Not Okay with at all, but I think that starting the relationship long distance kind of gave us a little more clarity on that fact that like. The next time we do see each other whenever that is the way we feel about each other's going to change. It seems like the big takeaway. Here is one that originally when dating APPs came out, it was kind of positioned as like Oh. This is how you're going to meet. People like this is the new way to make introductions no longer. Do you have to go up to someone at a bar? Hope for the best, but this pandemic situation virtual dating sorta suggests to me that more than that you. You. Can you facilitate like you can get through the first couple dates worth of material online, and you're probably doing okay, but it's when you get to that fourth date where you're like okay, we're ready for that physical physical connection. Probably yeah, I think we kind of decided. Correct me if if you feel differently, but is that this isn't really going to completely overhaul like the dating experience, but. But it is maybe shifting somewhat our ideas about which parts of the dating process can happen online in which parts can't exactly now since we did some of these interviews a while ago, we wanted to give you all a update on our guests so Katherine says that she is still single, although Ian broke up with her over taxed because of the Peace Shiro, which I guess just speaks to. To the fact that the pandemic is making it awkward to break up with people, even if you've never met them in person and people still feel they can do that overtaxed and then as far as Matt and Max I, think the pandemic and their use of virtual dating really was just a placeholder, because as soon as they had the opportunity to meet up with people in person they did. Did so matt was able to finally crossed the border into Canada June to see his partner and he's with him. Now and Max went on a date first thing with one of the women. He was speaking to the Goester actually, and it seems to have gone fine, so I think what we're seeing here is just that virtual dating has some merit, but clearly in person is preferable right, it seems. Seems like the features we really like and CONC- sticking around is definitely. The video calls screeners, which again is kind of that first couple dates preliminary info slash just that initial. Are you even someone i WanNa talk to in person screener. I should mention that in the course of thinking about this episode I briefly became obsessed with this Frederick community called never mats, which is for people who are. Are In Internet, only relationships, which some of them are extremely sweet. They're just like teenagers who flirt in minecraft for months and months on end, so we shouldn't say that online dating doesn't work for anybody. Because some people do find it really romantic for sure and I spoke to the tinder CEO. He seemed to suggest that the younger generation like Gen Z. are the ones who could pull off. Off Virtual dating more than millennials Gen Z., the eighteen nineteen year olds who arrive on Tinge today they've grown up with the social internet. They've had in their life from a very young age. So when they arrived, they already hung out in digital environments. It might have been four night right. That could have been the place where they were hanging out with their friends, so the idea of like. And developing a relationship and developing and connection, letting it unfold in a digital environment is not a new idea, but as far as whether geography matters allow. These dating APPS are starting to get rid of their geographic filters. On one hand I do think that makes some sense because you can have things in common people around the world and find valuable things. In everybody, but at the same I'm like well, you're gonNA have to overcome some hurdles. If you can't see each other in person like eventually, you're going to be like. Oh, we want him. Probably meet up and see each other in person so I, don't know how long those filters and the global mode for Tenders Really GonNa be appealing right. Is it like a? A New York right now. People are still not taking the subway so I probably wouldn't. If I were on, the APPS agree to go on a date with someone who lived in a different borough. I would really like. Keep my circle tight right, but I would maybe be willing to meet up with someone in person at this point. Yeah, same here, totally same. I guess the closest ow. I didn't WanNa pull again from that tinder CEO interview because I really wanted to ask him. Whether Technology was advanced enough to replace the IRA experience, dating and kind of get his take, so this is what he had to say. I think it is varies for for everyone. But you know our view, my view personally, but our view more broadly as as a team at tinder is that there is a limitation. There is only so far you can go. That were physical beings right, and that's important, and that's wonderful, and that's been true for you know. Millennium Millennium Millennium is not going to change because of Covid is not going to change. Is Not. GonNa Change. There's a very important place to play for hanging out virtually, but I think there's a very important place to play for the physical world, and will have a better sense in in a year's time of how this shakes out. What percentages are what but I'm I'm deathly betting on the physical world, being very important and here's Day. So. That's it that is the one off bonus episode of. Why'd you push that button? I hope we are back soon. Kate anything else. You want to plug here. You've been doing a lot of reporting work. Yeah, we've neglected to mention this topic episode, but. I work at the Atlantic now. And this is a lot of the type of thing I've been covering. They're just how people are using the Internet to cope with the strange feelings of the pandemic, so you can give me a google if you wanted. Find my new home. And everyone can follow me on instagram. Asha Carmen I hope I hope one day we get to come back with another season. That would be really cool, but we have no news for you on that front, so don't ask any more questions about that of you all right? That's it for US seawall later I.

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Hour 3: Daniel Cormier

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Hour 3: Daniel Cormier

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It's not even the gangster movie by nate diaz first of all that sport. It's not a big deal. <hes> who was it the <hes> right beast mode was <hes> was doing that recently in public yeah then he light it off of the eternal flame oakland coliseum like natives just piggybacking a little bit trying trying to get that <hes> the bad boy image restarted not restarted never went away but he kind of went away like you mentioned and i actually wondering about u._f._c. a little bit. I feel like <hes> the events themselves don't feel as big and i wonder if it's the personalities or if it's the fights because i think i watched the fights. They're pretty darn good. We've got the big one saturday though <hes> st pay versus daniel cormie who's joining us here in <hes> in under thirty minutes daniel cormie. One of the big stars in that sport is is one of them. It feels really big and it's i'm sure it's going to get a lot of is but some of them it's just like i don't know if we want conor mcgregor in fact <hes> randy. I don't know if you saw that video of conor mcgregor. There's video of him apparently just slapping a dude in the face and older gentlemen face your not accepting his whiskey shots are no no no. Maybe that's a that's a slap up on the komo conor mcgregor scale he he punched okay that was great new video. I didn't really look at his hand at close is head smacking back and kudos to that guy for not responding right the let's say at least sixty five year old irishman was like he ate that punch like a champ. The craziest part of that video is i think this was an ireland how normal it must be for that to happen in a bar because in america i feel like people would scurry people would start pulling their phones out. Nobody even flinches and maybe one guy just like looks over. It is so normal for that to happen there. It looks like they hustle connor with a group of guys about his age four or five guys they get him out of there a sap the bartender a young lady puts her her a handover mouth so she's surprised by it but you're right the old heads. It's it's daylight. They're drinking at a bar in daylight. I'm not judging. I'm just pointing it out and the old heads who were there you know at least sixty all of them up and down the bar you're right. Nobody really sounds the alarm. Nobody checks on the guy and the reports are a why he did. It is crazy. Apparently he was like handing out shots or offering shots of his proper twelve whiskey to everybody and this guy just wasn't in the mood for a shot and you don't turn down a proper twelve whiskey shop app from connemara me and it was noon it looked like and so i'm not trying to take shots of whisky. <hes> the the thing is is oh. His persona as a fighter was as you are this guy but most people. I don't know if most people maybe i thought you know it was obviously enhanced right. It wasn't his actual personality. He did it for the sport. He did it to make money but now i'm just wondering if he's this level of actual true jerk and is that make me never actually want to see him again or does he want or does he come back as the the heel he'll and absolutely everybody hates them and you're gonna hate watching. Oh hate watching a professional athlete. I don't know that i've heard of that before. I mean i think think miami fans invented it when when the bron- left here and e._s._p._n. Built an empire in our studios because so many people watched the miami heat right well actually you're you're right. It was hate watching the heat first and then he'd fans hate watched them right after that okay all right noted. I'm surprised they connor thought he could. You get away with it or that. He thought his events of the last year like he's a you know the on human double secret probation it shouldn't he sort of keep a keep his head on the swivel randy kind of did get away with it. Police saw the video. He hasn't been charged. The man who got punched has impressed charges isn't now we'll see what the reaction is to t._m._z. obtaining video but this happened a little bit ago so as far as con is concerned as he did just punch should dude in a bar outside of the a bit of a sucker punch to which i don't play that but <hes> no it was a pint and that's important. It's important to point out. He's sucker approach sixty five year old plus men or i don't know he might have been twenty seven. It's ireland the what would you play that. What would you have done like. I let the cody one slide lied about. This happens all the time in ireland. Let's not he was. This was james joyce. This was this was tis in that one. I don't know any of those references. Jim joyce umpire. No the writers angela's ashes silvano. Okay i know angela's ashes. You know i feel attack. Today i wear socks when i go to sleep and i don't know anything randy scott talking about and i thought ireland making and cracking jokes about daytime drinking in ireland and apparently that's part of my compliance. I'll just turn off my microphone. See myself out okay. Has anyone else here been sucker punched because that happened to me in chicago. In two thousand three <hes> tell us a story <hes> ten o'clock walking into john barley corns in wrigley villa jason jason a._m. or p._m. P._m. I'm going in and guys being thrown out. I'm latvia to go through a narrow sort of vestibule. I am laughing at something thing my friend in front of me said in this guy being thrown out just a perfect sliding doors moment this guy being thrown. I thought i was laughing at him. So it's one of those. Would you say mother bleep in turn around as the fist is already in the air and it just split my eyes wide open. You were mocking him though right no laughing at something. My friend said which i tried to explain in this guy wasn't having it. You should have told her way better story on how you got a black guy. There's no way there's no way that actual story right. That's not where the fight ended and i didn't black. I didn't get black 'cause he. Hit me hit my brow not the under i part so i had to get stitches but i also had to go to the hospital because they had multiple lacerations on my knuckles putting out until we're we're not until you got the bottle smashed into the glass flying ever you held up through throat and you said i'm randy's. I got you do not punch me in the face bucko. I well just like you were there. I i've chased him and i caught up with him and he was he was being thrown out because he it was staggering drunk staggering and i'm starting my night so i have at least at least foot speed and agility is other staggering drunk is running when he's running away from your he's just learning gems. He's running away. Okay and i catch up with him and i i we talk it out. We i punched him. My punch him a lot of times and then i had to go to the hospital because i had scrapes on my knuckles and i thought i was being slick because there's university hospital so i thought man. I'm gonna get in trouble for if i say that i gotta gotta fight to get in trouble so i said that i fell and the nurse was like no you need to tell me where you cut your knuckles because there could be bacteria and there's no place dirtier bill you know there's no place dirty around the human bacteria wise than the mouth and so she took an iodine plastic iodine brush and just scrape my knuckles like she was scraping barnacles off a book now do you should see the other guys what you were saying the whole time when i haven't seen i haven't seen him. 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Please rate and subscribe. It's all available in the more tab of the e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. App is a you mentioned the laboratory friends network and we actually have a lot of exciting new podcasts out this week to party. This week is excellent featuring. I mean it is a game. Those are familiar with the concept and those warrant it's a take on the newlywed game in which students and a partner team up against another the famous duo and see who which the duo's knows each other's best and this week it is stu gods and his father bob weiner against phil and chris simms ooh and it's all hosted by frank caliendo who by the way guests on this week's episode of that's what she said hosted by sarah spain and and you can get all of it on the lebatardshow friends channel feed and frank. Kellyanne also apparently is going to be on hard knocks next week. Maybe that would appear to be so christmas super excited by seeing the videos. I saw the video i have no confirmation that he'll actually be on the episode i saw kellyanne video with grew gruden was behind him right and he says hello to frank and he did it in a voice as if he was impersonating himself instead of just speaking like himself character of himself right talking about the visor <hes> <hes> yeah yeah. I don't know if i saw the whole thing. I just saw him say hey frank but he did it in a way that it was like it was mike talking. It wasn't even gruden man. This raiders season's going to be painful. It just is unprepared. I mean that's your bad for being a fan now. I moved on from the dolphins years ago. They're no longer frustrating australia me. I pick a different team every year. I'm a happy person who will who's your team this year. Then mike's going to be happy it's the brand well. It's always aaron rodgers ears and then another team so aaron rodgers playing for the packers which he clearly still is an. I'm sharing for the packers but i pick another. Rogers is my second team. Ah browns fan. You always gotta have a second team lined up smart. I don't even know anybody who doesn't want aaron rodgers to succeed unless there bears fan that's it what what do you stand on. The aaron rodgers mustache. Well mike. It's he gets the aaron. Rodgers look alike thing every once in a while so i think mike should be able to judge. I think it's funny but it's been out in class and outshined by baker matvey. Yes and that's a heck of a mustache. Yes bakers got a good one going there. I feel okay all right. That makes sense. Do you ever do you really get uh aaron. Rodgers looks like am i missing all the time i get mistaken for aaron rodgers all the time and if i'm not mistaken straight up for him i always get. Do you know who you look like and i'm like yes. I've been told howson's of times approve aaron rodgers because that's exactly what aaron rodgers would save they asked him. Hey are you u._n. Rogers that'd be like no. I just look like him. Would you just chug a beer immediately so yeah that's a new this proven yeah <hes> yeah i it flattering though i believe carajas to be the most handsome of all quarterbacks who ever lived. I don't think we'd be hearing about it if it wasn't flattering. You know what i mean like. Nobody ever says you know i get confused for andrew luck stebner shimmy the it's a good one. Who do you get confused for randy scott. You got one of those faces the yeah that that annoying also ran on those progressive commercials and it's it's your is your friends back in the day. It was tom avenue who played ed in the show ed on yeah but that's so outdated now so it's now it's the progressive <hes> sidekick yeah they. He's getting funny commercials now they realized so they got sars outside of flow that still exist employees universe congratulations to you. I looked just like what you what you wanna. Look funny right. You never know though i used to get rinaldo aww resilient a bigger rinaldo with the like the gap in his teeth although i never really got that oh okay never really got them. You're you're a much better shape. Just a humble break for everyone. Oh my god i used to be compared to this. Model is famous acid i used to be this looks like that's my point. Oh oh not cristiano renaldo no no no <hes> at that billy. What's your what's your celebrity like. I wouldn't say necessarily look like but i definitely have been compared to having the same vibes michael sierra. I don't get that at all. I think you look like christian yelich a little bit <hes> i could see that one of the property brothers looks like a property brothers probably because rogers it kind of looks like a property brothers so aaron rodgers long aren't the property brothers twins. So what did i look like both of the property brothers precisely the woman shorter hair though there's one who differentiates long hair also the one that actually is like the real estate guy in the other guys like the the hands in the dirt type of billions not yeah exactly the crazy thing about the property brothers is the guy that's more hands in the dirt doing the physical labor is the one who's in a little less better shape like the difference between the property rose. I was actually watching watching this last night. One of them is very tight. Very you know not a lot of body fat. The other one's just a little not fat or maybe he's just more vain. Maybe he needs to take care of himself because he knows he's gonna going to be on t._v. And wants to look sharp and his twin brother just like. I grabbed my hand in the dirt but if a glass house from you isn't it now what how g it's only because i don't think we're ever going to get to this. I want to ask you about christian pulisic. Mike haven't done it all day. I've been a very good boy so we save this for later because i think it might be worthy of a conversation. 'cause i think this guy is the guy that's going to bring some soccer attention premier league attention <hes> or bring state into the state's yeah i hope so and yes if you're giving me a lane to talk chelsea soccer and christian pulisic <hes> i will absolutely take that however i did just receive a call in the u._f._c. The in daniel cormier is running on time so we should probably try to get to a break here all right. Let's do that lebatardshow. He referred to the yellow sauce eta botchy restaurant as young sauce. Fifty seven percent of the audience said no stugatz. You go ginger ginger ginger. Yum yum yum. I'm young yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum thirty eight percent of the audience said yum yum yum yum yum so they get three yum a._m. Yum sauces. They ditch the ginger to yum yum with an additional yum. Yum second-place was ginger. Yum yum that chris earlier no one goes ginger ginger eighteen percent of the audience goes goes ginger ginger and eighteen percent of the audience also goes yum yum yum yum these citizen lebatardshow with two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio i want to get back fighting as we hope to have daniel cormie a join us here on the dan. Le batard show godson e._s._p._n. Radio and the e._s._p._n. App i feel like i told my story about getting sucker punched anybody. Else have one get means. Rocker is probably not something. Everybody has experienced being sucker a punch but what about just getting into a fight like everyone's the last time you through fists. That's a phrase the yeah i've already done by sharing. I want to hear from from you guys. How old were you then by the way rand. I was twenty one. I know not even. I was twenty okay twenty yeah it was it's been awhile. It's been a while. I've only been in one fight late in my life and it was when i was living at f._a._u. In college and i just i was out in the dorm area. It was like in between the dorms on campus at late at night and my roommate eight was a probably been drinking a little bit and got just into it with people and i found myself and its power had to two of them verse him. So what am i just going to stand there and it was just there's one of those things where literally as i'm doing it. I'm like i can't believe i'm getting into a fight right now. Eighth grade in front of the library <hes> after after school goud named thad for whatever reason like. I don't even remember why we had beef but i remember about his name mm-hmm well. Maybe i remember saying to myself well. I think i'm supposed to get into a fight with his fad dude today. Let's see what happens and next thing you know you see them coming coming from a distance with a couple of his friends and i'm like well here we go and he approached me and it all happened so fast. I don't really remember what happened. A couple of people pulled me away there you go. That was my the only time i've ever done it. He rolled up with friends. I mean they didn't fight. They just kind of stood around kind of me created a semi circle and then and then the fight happened happened and remember remember scheduling fights like absolutely yeah. I remember like not personally scheduling them obvious. I remember this one but i remember thinking or knowing saying oh my gosh. This is such and such and such and such are gonna fight today after school. I can't wait to be that all right. Why can't wait for saturday night. It's u._f._c. two forty one and joining us on the dan le batard show with stugotz on e._s._p._n. Radio is daniel cormet it. Is you have to forty. One cormet versus me osage it's too. It's the rematch a to twenty-six. It's this this saturday you watch. It live on e._s._p._n. Plus and pay per view champ. Thanks for the time we know. It's busy leading up to it saturday saturday the evening against the guy who's been waiting for you even though this feels almost like a constellation fight for the champ himself. Is there a level of disappointment frustration that the letter thing never came together or is it. Just all systems go focusing on beating this man again. Go <hes> sometimes you want something so very bad and <hes> not really what you want and i think i'll teach debate at this weekend. You know he sat around for a year waiting on a rematch honestly for all that he's done deserves a rematch but not all <hes> but now he gets rematch and i'm gonna meet them again. Daniel the first one didn't last very long. I'm just curious from your perspective. How you sort of anticipate a change of how you anticipate an adjustment or do you you just kind of do it in flight. I think that they're going to be a little bit different. I think he's not trying to fight me a little longer. I tried to really <hes> dictate the actions last time which put him in close with me. That's got an stop. I think the time they'll try to maintain some distance so <hes> you know. Maybe you try to fight me at range a little bit more <hes> but i i do a really good job of closing states. I'm looking at your man. I'm looking at sure your typical week you just typical days you get up in the morning time with the kids. Get out the door and then you go to the gym monday wednesday friday sparring grappling tuesday saturday wrestling thursday jitsu weightlifting on wednesday and saturday. What is it what is it cheat day. Look like for daniel cormie. I mean by that heavyweight. You know there. You know i can pretty much do whatever i want. Nutritionally i don't but <hes> <hes> achieved as is usually just kind of hanging out like recipe like that to me not doing anything most days. I don't feel good not doing any any type of training especially in training camp. You'd have gotten older. People people have said dude. Slow down a little bit and i'm like no. It's the only autotrain and if i can't train that way. I'm not fighting so i'd probably my cheesy my cheat days of meetings kind of land back and not doing anything daniel. You look across sports when you see a lot of athletes sort of defying age and you were forty years old doing this. What does that feel like for you. How different is it could look. I'm forty two. I try to stay as active as possible and it hurts. It just hurts some days and and maybe it's because you train every single day and you can't feel the pain but what is it like at forty years old. You know it's it's it's it's tough initially right like whenever ninety training camp and i'm just getting started. It was though i felt every day of forty. If not older you know every day of forty you know when i got going but now i'm a i'm better you know once. I got going one and i started to get in shape again. <hes> it's it's all it's all better. The issue was just getting in shape. You know when you're not in shaping you're older. It just takes longer to get in shape before i would start. I can think of fight like seven weeks notice and be fine now. I you gotta start training at twelve thirteen weeks to be ready to train at seven weeks you know so it just takes a lot of time. We're talking with the heavyweight champion of the world the u._f._c. ahead of you have to forty one daimyo daniel cormie against deep amyot switch. It is a rematch what happened you have to twenty six. It's this saturday watch. It live on e._s._p._n. Plus an e._s._p._n. Pay per view in two twenty six only went about four and a half minutes and you've sober sorta outlined what you feel. I st pay is gonna try to do to you differently. How far down that mental chess match in terms of preparation. Do you let yourself go or is it more. Hey i know what i do best. I know it worked against the first time around and you try not to out think yourself. It's just a matter of of of trying to this is the earliest you know i mean. I don't you know you change it a little bit but you don't reinvent will. I've always had my most. Whenever i'm doing what i do that you know. I started trying to fight to agai. Strengths are quite through his weaknesses. I struggle you know but i gotta be me. You know if i fight my best. I should be okay daniel. This is a big career moment for me right here. It's going to be a potential ego. Bruise if <hes> if you answer the wrong way because i do believe i remember you commenting on social media when this happened but i did a conor mcgregor halloween episode of around the horn. I don't know if you remember that. Do you remember my kind of u._s. And and what you think it was it was awesome. I'm not gonna lie. I was super nervous because i took like a random shot at you in my <hes> in all the talks. I said oh he cancelled it. More fights daniel cormier or something and i was super nervous. You're gonna get a hard time. I remember that no no it was awesome. I thought it was so funny like i'm one of those guys all right mike. I'm always messing with people so you can give it. You gotta be able to take it so that's great speaking of with them. Appear not to put anybody buddy else's business but there's a video of connor going around slapping somebody at a pub because he didn't take a shot of whiskey. What do you think about that. I didn't see it. I've heard about it like four times like like i've done every interview. I've done this asking me about connor <hes> hitting an older gentleman or something i i never saw it but if that's true that's really bad man you cannot. You can't do things like that. You know if congress i just kinda did that. You know kinda. Maybe struggling you know it's maybe time for people to step in and have some conversation with him about trying rain everything back in and get everything in check so a head of this next title defense is latest title offensive at forty years old for you daniel. I i read up on you. I watch you and i know you. I'm thirty seven. I know you as a legend in u._f._c. I didn't know you as a wrestler but i think if if you're being honest maybe that's how you identified your own athletic future future someone that changes for you in two thousand nine when you make that switch. How do you view yourself. Now you've yourself as i'm one of the best ever. Do it and you have see or. Do you see yourself this man if i had to do it over again that if wrestling had worked out that's how i wanted to be remembered <hes> you know when you do something as big as has as what i've done now in in fighting <hes> there is no going back. You know like there is no going back. I i'm a wrestler. I as i've always events and a mixed martial artists second and probably more important because martial arts as not only allowed for me to make make money and and and gain notoriety and everything but it's provided the life of me and my family. That's i never could've imagined or wrestling never would have given has given would have given us you know so <hes> wrestler i but mixed martial arts champion <hes> probably more important. How much longer do you want to do it. I don't know you know. I like you know you could be fighting so great. You could be fighting so raising the next one morning. One day voted a fight and all of a sudden. They just don't work as they did before i think the sport will always talk to people and let them know when i'm gonna walk flynn and i i think i'll know that you know so but one day at a time for me you know. I think i think brady's good kind of going <hes>. I'm wondering i'm forty five so people just don't bother them about retirement as much more with the rest of us you know that the forty club me and breezing those guys every interview like like what are you going to be done. You know maybe we need to like fifty. You guys kind of just leave it alone until we start hundred fifty heard it here first going to always fifty brady shows up to work. It has lots of nobody's allowed to touch him. You guys in slightly different slightly different business moving daniel cormet champion of the world. You can see it. It's u._f._c. two forty one cormet versus message to this saturday night you watch it live on e._s._p._n. Plus and pay per view. Give them hell daniel time champ. Thank you guys thank. Thank you so much donlevatar. If you see a photo of fries do reach for it not unlike a pigeon flying into a sliding. I i'm not kidding you. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. You've done to me done that thing unlike actual photographs retry zoom in on it with your fingers and you just make a big streak cross it a bigger frye yes. I've licked my computer your screen when it's on there. I love french fries. Stugatz doesn't love french fries. I thought it i thought it was always someone out there. That was the one thing america america could agree on. I thought that that was the one place where every citizen and our country would indeed be united across the fifty states. This is donlevatar show with the guys on e._s._p._n. Radio take my bread away. What take take my bread away. I used to sing it whenever i was on a low carb diet that one finds oneself into muscle fitness. I just wish everybody could see the look on his face. Is he judging you. I hope he's judging you harshly. You should take my breath away <hes> <hes>. How do you guys feel about former. Miami received brax. I'm gonna botch last name. Braxton is a burritos rios. Braxton berrios areas legend all right. He apparently is gaining. Tom brady trust yeah. Of course he course. He has come on get him. Hey today <music> at patriots practice. He brady lit into him for a wrong route decision. This is gordon matt. Chatham covers the team for i think nessin now <hes> in the next two snaps drew a holding penalty and then brady found in for a touchdown pass. A young guy needs to respond says match adam after being poured on for a bad mistake real leadership ship. They're saying i'm saying all right. So what do we have to pay off from earlier in the show. We have to close the loop on who j._c. Shas a._j. Is dating aiding once christian pulisic. We haven't talked about the cowboys. We haven't talked about about jay z. I talk about the cowboys on the next show on e._s._p._n. Radio and probably the one after that or let's go in terms of <hes> the j._c. or jay z. Let's go. Let's go off of medical deal j._c. Let's close this loop now. The most famous person he's dated is evan longoria. He is now presently in a relationship with jennifer who young <hes> he used to date catherine smith. Tara tara reid was only a rumor folks. What's yes terror. Read was didn't actually exist. There were rumored j._c. And tara reid of televisions jans terrified ice and american paradise. <hes> were rumored to date. The fling only lasted one month. According to <hes> who's dated who dot com now emmanuel cheer cree at sloan from entourage. That's what she's famous for more so he dated sloan from entourage for about a year and then <hes> in the end of the famous names so the other ones are non famous so he did dates as the non literal sterling bobby thomas bobby thomas might be how he might have been married bobby thomas yeah relationships with it was in a relationship with j._c. Shas ace and from nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and one an old american television personality finality u._k. With somebody and the bobby thomas bobby got him thomas. She is forty four years old and has a child before before. I thought you had him dating evan longoria too so little confused. What was your question randy. How do you survive y._2._k. With somebody in the break it off. I regret it saying it jaycees. Shahzad is the second oldest member of instinct. He's a great age forty three forty three the oldest. Who's the oldest not i was gonna ask you. I'm gonna say chris kirkpatrick. You're absolutely right. Wow forty seven nixon administration. Who's the youngest. I'm gonna say j._t. Yeah thirty eight who like you didn't already know that come on club is already paying <music> in dividends twenty years later. I'm not there with you. I can't tell if you're looking it up. I would have guessed lance. Baby-faced bass baby bass is a safe pick but i remember the mickey mouse club which also featured j._c. has and britney and christina right and christine aguilera as well as ryan gosling who is in dire which group she's too young to be in the new mickey mouse club wait until mickey mouse. Keri russell was a member of the mickey mouse. Oh that's right. Gossiping would've been the ugly duckling duckling in that group gosling had to sort of blossom right. He had to grow into it. I'm never seen ugly ryan gosling. We have <hes> all all right so earlier today. Adrian wootton arou- ski reported that <hes> boogie cousins sustained a possible knee injury and now shams or shops. I believe it's pronounced sham. Dom tom shams has <hes> broken the story it is official four time n._b._a. All star will undergo the final tests and are expected to confirm the twenties the offer because oh oh my this is not going well for him and the lakers for that matter but man he does have a long history of injuries but this is just unfortunate. Speaking of unfortunate is are you back tomorrow with me. Yes sir. That's going to delight so many people. I can't wait.

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Chet van Duzer on Sea Monsters

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Do you catch yourself daydreaming about your next getaway the sun the beach is cold drink in your hand with the American Airlines advantage mile up card from city you can go from daydream didn't see monsters and in fact it was another manuscript of ptolemies geography I was at the National Library of Spain and hey and welcome to stuff to blow your mind my name is Joe McCormick -versity of Rochester which brings multi spectral imaging to cultural institutions around the world he's published extensively on medieval and renaissance maps in addition literature and ancient Greek and Latin at Berkeley and it took me a while to find maps as it were and it was at a very specific first thanks for having me it's a pleasure to be here and as far as my background with maps I'd studied mathematics and English my normal co host Robert Lamm is not with us today he's off on vacation at the other side of the haunted see so instead I'm bringing you an interview today that I is names and also had very unusual shape and so I wanted to learn more about that where this train shape point of come from where all these places MHM sleight of come from and so that was when I got interested in maps and it was in another institution in Europe where I got into it fifteen fifty was published in twenty fifteen by the British library and in two thousand Sixteen Brill published a book he co-authored with Iliad dines apocalyptic I did with an expert on maps and sea monsters monsters seemed appropriate for this time of year this expert is named Chet Van Doozer and I think you're really autocracy thematic maps in the end of the world in Fifteenth Century Manuscript in two thousand eighteen springer published his book Hinrikus Martell Asus World Map at Yale they have I knew they had a manuscript of told me geography and I wanted to see it and when I opened the manuscript I saw that all of the maps had fourteen ninety-one multispectral imaging sources and influence his current project is a book about cartographic cartoons and without any further ado from the middle of the fifteenth century but it had a map added to it at another map painted blank pages in about fifteen thirty Lindau is at the Vatican museums as a tourist and they had a a manuscript of ptolemies geography on display and the manuscript. Let's get right into the interview about see monsters Chad Van doozer welcome to the show it's a pleasure to have you here to talk about sea monsters and monsters on them lots and lots of monsters in fact more than any other manuscript since encountered and I apps of the Medieval and renaissance period would you start just by introducing yourself maybe talk a little bit about your background and what got you interested in maps yes well Joe Airlines advantage mile up card today welcome stuff to blow your mind. Production iheartradio has to wear to his book sea monsters on Medieval Renaissance maps which is published by British Library in two thousand thirteen his book the world for King Peer to Skelly as map gonNA enjoy this interview so to introduce a mere chapman users of researcher in residence at the John Carter Brown Library and a board member of the Lazarus Project to the unit if you might WanNa talk a little bit more generally about historical cartography what is it that you can learn about a group of people from the I thought and these these monsters were not mentioned in the literature about this manuscript so I thought I should write an article about the monsters in Hispania script pass from another time and place by looking at the maps they made that you might not learn by looking at other things yes well all too often an historical maps are just used as illustrations for books for historical books for example but others as well and the article kept growing and growing growing an finally colleague Catherine Smith pointed out that it would make more sense as a book and she was where is in fact maps historical maps often contain historical evidence that is not preserved in other sources European illustration of possum occurs on Martin Vaulting Lurs Carta Marina of fifteen sixteen and there certainly were on a map and this happens look more frequently than one might suspect in a large detailed or no doubt earlier European depictions of the apostle which was regarded as marvel because it was the first marsupials the Matt can have a little bit of a encyclopedias encyclopedic character to it and thus preserves information of both texts it had a very very interesting totally hypothetical southern continent and even though it was labeled Tara and cognitive was full of we'll be right well I just wanted to say I've really loved this book it's full of fascinating stuff before we get directly into the sea monsters I wonder are of the world view of ancient people like what they felt about the the broader world especially places far away from them it does talk specifically about the decoration in even the exact number of trees that were to be painted on the map and I think we maps in the sense that it was generally thought that the most distant parts of the world were the parts filled with monsters and essential in constructing historical argument does looking at ancient maps also give you a better idea of the kind of the texture elaine graphical from various sources and and sometimes considering the historical evidence offered by maps Israelis the fact that that's often the case on maps is very clear graphic evidence of that that thought Europeans had encountered there's only were earlier depictions but as it happened they don't survive and us as it happens the earliest surviving depiction this be for any number of reasons but just to mention one example the earliest surviving vote if one looks a variety of manuscripts of told me is geography and one can do the same thing with nautical charts one begins to get the impression that into the decoration up maps and we do have one contract for the creation of medieval maps and it does we know that the person commissioning map was someone who wanted more they wanted more more of the options available have to imagine something similar happening with sea monsters that this was an optional decorative element one could have ah it can be difficult to try to go from a map to what the cartography was thinking but in some cases nicking that that that manuscript we don't have document that that goes through what the person who commissioned the script wanted from it a very plain manuscript ptolemies geography or nautical chart or one could have a more elaborately decorated the sort of structure of the world. I think maybe we should get into our discussion of Simone stirs just by having you describe a couple of your favorite examples so when you think of at your favorite medieval or renaissance maps with sea monsters on them what do they show and what do we know about the circumstances under which these maps were made yes one of them One of my favorite maps or in this case an atlas involving see monstrous precisely that manuscript of ptolemies geography in and but I I I have a feeling there's more and again we don't have textual evidence to support this so it is speculation but it seems said the library of Spain and as is often the case we we know we we don't have textual evidence about the corporation in commissioning the creation of a work like this that wealthy person had many different options and many of those options related Michael Warning One that comes to mind is I believe you have an example of a thirteen sixty seven nautical chart by the Mother's Pizza Ghani that shows war decoration immoral manuscript so that's certainly part of what's happening with that specific manuscript of toll geography so remarkable it does not just sirens there's multiple different types of sirens their sirens was one on sirens with two tales can the sea monsters were one of those optional elements so when we see see Monsters Onondaga Shar or manuscript of ptolemies geography sirens wearing European clothing so it really feels like in this case it was a specialist in defines the sources for a number of the C- monsters on medieval ONS maps which is to say the cartographers were not it'd be a different kind of interest I think I think it was a different interest so one of the serve multiple functions in one of them definitely decoration but also there was a desire to convey information and I know that can sound a little ridiculous when convey information about what is in the other a number of examples I was looking at in your book where it really does seem like that it's a specific practice whoever whoever was painting the monsters in The seas of that manuscript took a particularly strong interest in the subject because the varieties the giant octopus attacking the ships is right near the edge of the map out in the Atlantic right near the often look fantastical they look like one thinks surely the cartographer just to this on the spot but in fact I was able the things that came out in my research for this book was to looking at the sea monsters on medieval maps the they as far out in the Atlantic as the cartographers depiction goat and I think that's an important element here that again the the aware there's a limit of knowledge is where monsters tend to be located so on that same map the cartographer does show I like an illustrated encyclopedia so I think seamaster amount look at that and say well that just looks like maybe they're trying to live in up some blank space on the map but it comes with a warning it says while these ships are going to port dragons and octopuses care when we look at some of these monsters and they do seem utterly fantastical some of the ones that seem the most fantastic were in fact copied from musters paint involvement someone who had a very strong interest in the subject so what do you think creates a passion for sea monster that is in fact a great example and it's it's worth emphasising that that image of the Flying Dragon that jump is possible and in fact monsters play into precisely that aspect was to ships in the North Atlantic nearer the supposed mythical of Brazil I think being attacked by dragon and a giant octopus so you could stint inventing them on the spot they were copied from sources that the cartographer would have had reason to try the Tigers knowledge we have as you say warning about monsters attacking ships is it also an important distinction that this is on a nod makers were really serving two very different audiences the cartographer could make an undecorated nautical chart without the is in that kind of period yes to a question is it the same thing that make somebody interested in horror movies today Nicole Chart as opposed to just two decorative map that that's a good question so very unsurprising thing about nautical charts is that the the illustrations of Walruses as C. Monsters they're just they look amazing So how does that sort of the sea monster is the facilities the images of sovereigns the animals have the mountain ranges and it was that type of undecorated chart that would be three all of the crew members off and leave the ships empty and seems to be warning people who are approaching this poor though I think the port is entirely mythical is that correct he is wanted the very elaborately decorated charts for collection and display as as symbols of their worldly knowledge in power whereas others held that a monster was as a fearsome as it was nonetheless of a part of God's plan it actually used in navigation so if a if a chart was decorated with all these images it would be expensive they might have used expensive pigments orb throughout the Middle Ages and much of the renaissance regarded as monsters and in in that that spread that natural life form Category Blur with mythological terrors like you know like the cracking or Leviathan or the sirens yes and so maybe we should talk about the definition of a what what makes see Monster you know what we know that there are many natural life the two pages you mentioned with the walruses there's a map from I believe it's sixty ninety five that at explicit of course so the same Acres of nautical charts were on the one hand serving a practical market that is people who actually use the charts I to define the word disagreed so some held that a monster with something against nature in some way sources that dicara talker would've fought reliable so he asked as a decorative element but at the same time there's a desire to navigate and those would have been the undecorated charts and at the same time they were serving this market of nobles Nobles who who it's such a valuable math to the salt air of course if you're taking charge you probably want to use it to indicate that type of chart would never have been taken to see for one thing the should captain couldn't have afforded it and then even if he could he wouldn't want subject as you as you were hinting at that the the definition of monster changes over time so as you said forms such as Wales that have commonly been interpreted as sea monsters throughout history in fact one of my favorite parts of your book was just got a a spread over a couple of pages that's more character to it and shows more worldly knowledge about what lives there but what might be other economic demands for for sea monsters on maps if any or maybe you can say whether it'd be more often or not They would just be decorations that would be commissioned by somebody who was looking for a spicier map maybe something that has ships regaining evidently safely in the Atlantic but closer to the European mainland there three shifts that come out of the street could be used as a a literal warning information given to sailors you know you might not want to travel here because there's a map they could More often probably identifies the Walrus as a monster and yet today Bob For us a Wales the furthest thing from a monster it's noble monsters differed in in very fundamental ways and it remains a word is difficult to define today I think and then also there's the fact that defining defining the word monsters problematic and Nevil and renaissance authors who his wishes were or aims were in in placing sea monsters on maps how much it might have been motivated for example by event there was an additional function intended function of the sea monsters on this map and that was to scare away fishermen from other nations I and it's interesting to think about ways that that definition will continue to evolve how things that today we think of as monstrous in the future decaration in an attempt to indicate what's actually living in the ocean it can be difficult to divine what the cartographer elegant creature that's to be preserved and I also think that we would we would not characterize Walrus as a monster either in cartography of a trap street like the idea of a a fake feature added to a map to Swim Morse copyright I wonder if a c monster has ever been used for this purpose not to my knowledge and perhaps part of that would be that maps for his collection of of images of seamstress which is allow smack Mrs Carter Marina of fifteen thirty nine which is really yes well as I was saying earlier it's because see monsters serve often serve more than one function on maps they can be both wonderful suggestion about a possible function of sea monsters one possibility that occurred to me I mean I was wondering if you ever right up so there was this great freedom in there was no no blame associated with copying many different interest as a monster is that it is a natural life form that has many of the morphological characteristics that are often attributed falsely to monster is like it has the our ideas may may continue to change about those things one thing that was funny to me about the the idea of since leaving the abundant catch from the northern waters the to the fishermen of Scandinavia and I think that's really the the commissioning the maps wished to have a very heavily decorated map and how much it was motivated by a wish to it has the briskly facial hair you know that we see on the I think there are a bunch of whales depicted in your book that have facial hair of some kind like a must elements of of maps in literary works and other things so because of that it's it's difficult for me to imagine a sea monster the image gradually became somewhat more lifelike but it was a slow process we're GONNA take ask so anyway I thought that was a funny point of comparison so you've talked about the idea that that sometimes monsters on maps break but we'll be right back with more of the interview I often have a hard time falling asleep at night or staying asleep I frequently wake up feeling stiffen the mornings map with the same name depicted the onerous much like an elephant which seems very surprising the 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the evolution of the image of the Walrus from the early sixteenth century to the end of that century so Martin vaulting on his Carta Marina different it's a little bit about sirens what they represent and and why they show up on so many maps yes well the of and then they die there and overtime the image of sirens evolved as often happens with ethical sleeps cool if you're not fully satisfied you can return your mattress for a full refund it's backed by a ten year warranty a one hundred nights risk-free trial and talk about a few individual features that that I enjoyed from your book that popped up on several maps so one is the idea of sirens could you speak Aron goes back to two homers honesty and he talks about these female creatures that that live on an island show bonus miles offer after qualifying purchases they'd get you even closer to your next getaway head to city dot com slash S. 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YM to apply for the American a sing as sailors pass by in their ships in their song is so powerful that tracks the sailors to the island they used that way at least at least in the Middle Ages and renaissance time London lineup that's disappear tournier heading north close to the coast of Spain and France but then further out in the Atlantic again near the limit of in the Middle Ages the ideas about what one was permitted to copy yeah we're very different a spectacular in terms of Monsters my favorite by the way yeah about by with good reason so demands show is a Scandinavian in for the world an integral part of God's plan for the world is a strain people trying to define creatures and there is a an important world map from about fourteen sixty three different kinds of sirens in the Indian Ocean and it shows them graphically descriptive text talks about these three different kinds and one is huge claws and red is might have some connection with that myth but I haven't been able to find any evidence to substantiate often bad weather for C. voyages or treacherous passages because of rocks or whatever else yes and I wish it were and is certainly one of the most common sea monsters depicted on maps. EA If a map is only only depicts Tuesday monsters connection but I think it's more difficult to define someone who says this is why that monster was a way of representing the danger in other cases it's one with good reasons to spend a horrifying way with red eyes reaching after a ship with these clawlike hands knowledge about what's going on there and I've wondered whether there might be some connection between this giant figure emerging from the water with these lives near the southern tip of Africa and and sort of his purpose in life is to make the passage around the tip of Africa difficult legal danger and the presence of monsters and one example of that is in the street Messina which was mythologised difficult straight there but but thinking about the geography of of sea monsters one one area on maps I wish I could say yes I have suspicions so the the location of that are there were more evidence connecting those things so I think you're absolutely right to to suspect that there is often a connection between a the chances are pretty good that one of them will be siren One of my favorites from your book definitely the scariest looking one to me in the whole book was a really and in the national epic of Portugal others this giant half woman half horse which is very unusual and one does not appear on many other maps but it's a horse with two legs isn't it that ever a horse with two yes between a Sicily and mainland Italy and there was was an apologist is having to monsters they're which is at that oh well that naturally makes me wonder about the connection between the origins of sea monster myths and just natural phenomena like whether places where there's Humanoids Sea Monster from Urbano Montes Manuscript outlets of fifteen ninety just like the top half of a man but just depicted medieval renaissance maps at sea monsters more frequented certainly the Indian Ocean and I think that has to do with the fact that that was the make less sense to me than your standard Centaur Beth right but yeah the did the siren and ahead a very long life on maps Mr on I think they're maps that monster appears twice and one of them is near the southern tip of Africa if I recall correct the things that are strange in monstrous or fantastic at the edges of the world and the Indian Ocean was the edge of the World Shen furthest from had a name I think we can say and so there was a tendency as we were discussing earlier there's a tendency to to place and it revolves around a bit shift journey out in the Atlantic and there's a tremendous storm and the mariners or very afraid and they're afraid of seeking but then there are also afraid of the monsters explicitly afraid of the monsters in other cases not falling off the edge but furthest known I think it's an important distinction to make area of the world does was often populated with Seema I guess we have to confront the fact that the voices of the average sailor from the Middle Ages is not typically a voice how much helplessness was managed in the division of sea monsters are writing about them like a is it correct that earlier on winner it on average how afraid are you of sea monsters pickled question there's there's a wonderful passage from a Roman poet and in the notion there's a great image of of two men who are diving it has come down to us it's been preserved in documentary record so we is often not as easy as one might like to understand their in underwater and they seem to be collecting these multicolored rocks and on either side of them there is a seem oster that seemed to be feelings about see monstrous Well I mean I was just thinking about the accounts you document in your book where it seems like there may be an evolution over time in as of fighting back did there there's early as some movement in that direction and they're there to one or full examples of ways to to fight back most depictions of sea monsters were more kind of invulnerable you were completely at third mercy and over time there became more of a a representation of what living away and as a text explains that these are Pearl Divers and the Pearl divers have magic spell they say before they get in the water in case where where humans do seem to have some defense against the monsters and the other one is a returning to Las Vegas there's do you get a sense of to what degree there was real fear about these monsters like if you were a an ancient or medieval or renaissance we'll have a journal that the cartographer laughed explaining why I he or she put the things on the map that he or she did against the monsters and one of the Catalan Atlas of thirteen seventy five call so called because in the Catalan language language of cuts Luna I it's it's difficult to be sure and there's there's a lot of difficulty being sure with a medieval and renaissance maps one that caught my attention in the book were the it was the folklore about the nest of the abyss and the entrance to hell I think this is related to the associated with the image it turns out that this is a trumpet and the text explains that when when a ship is in danger of being attacked by the Saint Brendan Legend Yes this is Andre Beyond Goes matrimony fourteen thirty six we know of fifteen thirty nine there's an image of ship with a sea monster behind it a a huge monster and there's a a man this is an entrance to the abyss at the South Pole which is what he's basically saying and the there was there was yeah it's that's another one where it's very difficult to to try and get at the source of this idea that there's lean maps and sea monsters in the history of science do you see developing scientific ideas playing a role or being manifested in the way sea monster what the sources were and sometimes it's possible to find the sources but other times it's not is it possibly think to talk about the relationship that scares away the sea monsters and at if it were not for the spell the sea monsters would certainly devour them so that's one grade you are absolutely right and one wonders about this room stances under which this was tried another one is there is no earlier work that shows the same creature and they seem to be assembled from parts of different creatures began to decline so they they made a transition towards being more purely decorative and then they began to decline as maps began to be because many of the monstrous we see portrayed come from things like encyclopedias illustrated encyclopedia is this I wish I knew where this idea the visit the South Pole came from whether it had any relation to this myth about this text at the North Pole and on the back of a ship and at first glance it looks like he's pointing a gun at the sea monster but it does shape isn't quite right for a gun and when one reads the text of all did not happen for all our tigers some continued after the middle of the sixteenth century to to show creatures that is something more purely utilitarian rather than artistic creation and so yes in in the course of particularly the that came from what would have been called something like scientific sources at the time but then see monsters maps maps they'll say before the middle of the sixteenth century I think they're often was an attempt to convey scientific information show up on maps overtime yes and it's it's a rich subject so as I was saying on early Asian for compass points north but there was this huge vortex into which the wall of the earth's oceans were continually being sucked and that happens a little bit but not as a general pattern and so somehow maps began to be conceived purely as Nah and see monsters more purely decorative and that that chain first of all it did not happen once visit to show what was actually in living in the oceans that debate certainly also had a decorative function there's no denying that but but but at the same time I think it wasn't the case that the fantastic creatures began to be replaced with real fish us what people at the time would have regarded as scientific information around the middle of the sixteenth century once starts to see on maps ostrow if one blows trump trump and yells and makes a lot of noise as possible scare the sea monster away the same advice they give you for a bear cougar right. The scientific function of sea monsters the information conveying functioning Admiral History Information conveyance function of sea monsters starts to go away thought of in a different maps began to be thought of as more purely scientific instruments more modern sense of the word creatures are are totally conjured up out of nowhere by the map makers yes that's interesting interesting it's very interesting moment it there being a a sort of counter intuitive or inverted process that as scientific knowledge advances and we get a clearer picture of what animals are re right back with more of the interview can the weather predict you that's a good question the kind lexus answers by looking at people ever notice that sometimes your cold Alexis could adjust to you like that using sixteen infrared sensors to measure your body heat vehicle reacts to You with Twenty Air vents heated ventilated seats and a heated steering wheel to maintain your desired preference automatically. It's aware of your ever changing temperature maybe even before you are and not just for the but that see monsters I mean people began to understand that these fantastical creatures were not real easing ideas you'll inspire next at lexus dot com slash curiosity and we return we'll before we in the history of the history of sea creatures on car on maps it almost reminds me of a thing we've talked about another episode vice the instruments scientific instruments for for helping you get from point A. to Point B. in last as artistic creations it's it interests me what you're saying though about the show before about Increase in interest in like witchcraft in Dima -nology actually is sort of going up as as the enlightenment was coming around for it before it faded away that's a fascinating analogy all right time for a quick break but will be Amistad at the North Pole reserve a great vortex for smaller was a huge mountain of magnetic stone which was the see monsters they were merely invented by the cartographer as far as I or anyone else's been able to tell next minute you're hot that's because the body's temperature is always fluctuating and it's your brain that tells the body to constantly adjust for optimal temperature so what if the inside L. and what animals are not real there's actually for a short period an increase in the mythology right so you're saying that that's when like these new fanciful els being mistaken for islands so there was a mythical story that goes back to driver but all four passengers it's a system called climate concierge available in select models and it was all inspired by you so discover what Nineteenth Century sea monsters on maps declined which for someone writing a book about sea monsters on APPs this a little bit sad there's an island is actually a whale and when the whale feels this fire on its back it plunges into the ocean taking the sale maps several times and in different ways and what one of the one particularly is that he composed his map based on information from twenty other maps which is one of the few times we get some insight into in this case the whale is associated with the devil which is another type of monstrosity if you will so this story had a very long life it was the key says if I recall correctly he says he copied it from the Portuguese map so this story is not one we hear everyday how mass were created in the early eighteenth century and he illustrates this story so there's a ship with a whale and the two picks the Kraken as such shame it's a shame and it may be in part because it has the head of a bird in the trunk of elephant in the tales of fish things like that and when that starts to occur dealers on the back of the whale who've lit a fire and detects a nearby tells the story and So it's it's I I really confined my attention to maps and as far as I've been able to find there's no early map that but but is part of the historical process and it relates exactly to to what you're you're talking about this relationship between sea monsters and science we'll find very wind diffusion and it's The story is illustrated not only in best series and various other sources but also on about sailors who what they think is an island and they they land on the island and light a fire on it but it turns out that the island four we surrender sea monsters to the onslaught of realism maybe we can go back and talk about a couple more of them Do you WanNa talk a little bit about the idea of worked called a physiologist very early medieval work that contains the story in the physical August is a collection of stories medieval navigational charts from Scandinavia and so one might be tempted to imagine that they are the crack might have been depicted on such a chart but for information from damaged manuscripts books and maps and one of her projects was to us the Lazarus project and archive so two different groups and we use a technology called multi spectral imaging to recover such charts do not survive now let's see I do remember it coming up somehow in your book I guess it was a reference to the king's mirror was that a so I I work with the group at the University of Rochester and Rochester Institute of Technology Fifties and was sold and anonymously donated to Yale tennis importance was recognized but at the same time it was worth who's now at the University of Rochester and we we worked together two images it sounds familiar when we do hear it I think but it is something important in looking at images of Wales on early maps speaking of c about animals and stones plants each of them I've given a moral interpretation and so in this zeal August has the story assist technology on a important world map made in about fourteen ninety one by a German cartographer who was working in Florence and late last year I published a book based on this research and when we generated these images of the map I approach this map with his or her own questions and write his or her own book or article about other aspects of the map that I never thought about so we I wish it and the the moral ization is that if one places trust in the devil one will be carried to hell so the mm-hmm adapted from logs and incorporated into medieval best areas medieval animal books and and had a I am not recalling the details so I think the name Kraken appear on a map but it's the creature the creature depicted recently I know I believe this book we've been talking about was from twenty thirteen you've recently been working on something about imaging for damaged maps yes with the right object and in this case this map was a candidate for multispectral imaging is like magic of texts suddenly appears where on what we think of as the crack in so it's not the same when we think about the crack and I think we have and many of the images as well and thus turn what had been this unstoppable object into something that's study bowl in all its aspects and I used as a source for some other legend on a Scandinavian Map yes the cracking does appear in the extra kings mirror and the today it's been great talking to you thank you very much all right that wraps up today's episode but a big thanks named Rigas Martellus the large world map at Yale University and it it appeared in the late nineteen this map in two thousand fifteen and we were able to recover a grade of large proportion not all but almost all text on the map documents legible and accessible again which is very exciting that's fantastic all right well I think we have to call it there but thank you so much for joining us from stances that led to to invention such as escape coffins escape hatch coffins we've been talking about all month as well as coffins to prevent grave robbery blow your mind dot com In the meantime if you want to get in touch with us of course stuff to blow your mind dot com is the mother ship you can check out all of our podcasts there feeling illustration of it on a map is on a map by PD dice was Turkish 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"Welcome continued of America. Calling from studio forty nine in Albuquerque. I'm Tara gatewood today. We bring you indigenous Acoustic Agitation for liberation ration- from DNA recording artists. Cleveland Ali Sui against US I Lucia our kitchen. These sounds are from his new album. The unsustainable double sessions. It's his hope that his sonic art will help people into action right after national native news. We'll hear more and we promise reformist. This is national native news. Megan cameras infrared. Tony Gonzales the president of the Navajo Nation signed an agreement. This week to fund scholarships for Navajo Law Students at the University of Arizona Gibson from Arizona public media reports the president of the Navajo Nation signed an agreement. Tuesday morning with the University of Arizona to fund scholarships for Navajo Law Students. The memorandum of agreement between the groups created up to ten match scholarships that the James e Rogers college flaw hopes will be available by Spring Twenty Twenty Navajo nation president. Jonathan Nez spoke to a group after the signing about how important it is to invest in in yourself your family and your community. That's why our parents and grandparents go get an education the push us and what did they they say after that. Come home right and help your people. NEZ Deputy Chief of Staff Milton Blue House. Junior also says the nation is considering establishing its own. DNA Law School University signed a similar agreement between the Navajo Nation and the UA College of Medicine in Twenty Sixteen. That was Emma Gibson from Arizona Public Media in North Carolina. Education leaders failed to approve a native American Charter School that wanted to servant people living in Robeson county the Raleigh News and observer reports the State Board of Education approved just one five charter schools that applied last July to open next next year board chair. Amy White said the denial was not because of old mainstream schools curriculum which would have been based on red pedagogy. That's an approach popularized used by professors sandy `Grande and focuses on the experience of native Americans but board member. James Ford defended the Charter School and said the denial was based on the curriculums curriculums portrayal of American history. The advisory board initially recommended approving old man's application in October but the application was sent back to the State Board of Education Asian for more consideration the advisory board subsequently voted unanimously to reject the charter school's Application one advisory board member raised concerns that the schools proposed I focus was divisive and did not focus on quote. The greatness of America officials said old mainstream should consider replying next year. A New statue unveiled in spokane Washington. This week pays tribute to a fish. That's considered an important cultural resource for tribes in the area. Steve Jackson reports from Spokane. The statue is of of a red band trout native fish of the Spokane River sponsors. The project included this city of Spokane Spokane Indians baseball team. TC Energy Spokane can tribe and the Spokane River for Casey Flanagan is a fish project manager for the Spokane tribe. So just me being a fish biologist. I'm I'm very excited about this process and this education and outreach component 'cause I feel like they are a fish species that isn't talked about much in this area. Where are we also relate them commonly rainbow trout? Even though they're different subspecies spokane and Colville confederated tribes. Consider the red band to be an important native species. He's and it is still actively fished in the area. An interpretive display featuring information on the red bound trout will be put in place by the statue next spring for National Native News News. ABC's Jackson reporting from Spokane this weekend. A new permanent exhibit space opens at the Minnesota History Center in Saint Paul focused on native Americans. The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports. Gibb Way and Dakota histories are the basis for our home native Minnesota the space will also have additional rotating shows Katie bean gene. Who is Flanders Santee Dakota Muskogee Creek? Is Director of native American initiatives with the Minnesota Historical Society. She said the goal is for visitors to understand how oh native Americans are not just surviving but thriving the historical society worked with Dakota. No Chippewa communities to develop our home for National Native News. I'm I'm making camera. National Native News is produced by Colonic Broadcast Corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting support by Perry EDGE DOT DOT COM. Where you'll find a variety of buffalo items like ropes skulls rattles and drums serving the native American community for over thirty six years located in rapid rapid city or online at prairie edge? Dot Com won't be lot support by Freedom Lodge inviting you to join the historical trauma masterclass. Twenty Twenty Twenty to provide cure and lighten the load for the next seven generations. No charge for tribal members. Registration is March second information at Freedom Lodge Dot dot org native voice one the native American radio network. This is native America calling. I'm your host. Tara Gate. Would in moment in these moments catching her breath. County scars boots on her neck. Have feet so we break them. We'll keep pushing until it breaks These are lyrics from the song when banners become shields off the recording artists Cleveland. Ali's latest album be unsustainable sessions. It's and this song along with many other. Compositions are meant to get to the heart of the issues that indigenous people are facing and exactly what they can do about it. Exactly push back and we'll hear more about The lyrics and the different songs but also Waikele Benali a has released nice to these different Books on life and you are also invited to join us to. We'll be giving away ten copies of his album. All you gotTa to do is Dial in and share your thoughts on air to get one. Our phone lines are open. Now if you'd like to join us one eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is the number and right. Now we're going to go do thanks Arizona to say hello to Cleveland Ali WHO JOINS US today? Include feel free to further introduce yourself yet have been eh greetings. It's great to be here. I'm very honored to be invited back onto your show a shade. Cle- Dawson twenty cheat. Nisha boss Chee Knocker the Nationalist Shinzo Abe Eighth Achie- auto eighth achieved should shea. I'm originally from gene or Black Mesa on the dinette or Navajo Navajo nation. And currently I resided conflicted or flagstaff. In on my father's side my father's Jones Ben Ali originally from Black Mesa. He's in Born for bitter water my mother's side him Russian Polish and she's just a radical rabble rousers. That's who I am right on. Well clearly we know your voice on this program for different reasons and many times You have talked about standing for the Lynn standing for indigenous rights And there's a lot there's a lot to be said there's a lot of action to be taken when it comes to protecting what is secretly communities and You put out this albumin. It's almost a reminder to yourself of some of the creativity that houses in your heart In what it means to turn to art to also bring as you say agitation for liberation. Tell me more about that. I think you just set it all. I think. The show's over now. You you know that is the point I woke up Actually back in two thousand eleven thousand twelve when Arizona Snowball which is a ski resort operating on the Holy San Francisco peaks located here northern Arizona. Which is a mountain held sacred by thirteen indigenous nations? And we've covered this this issue on the show but for those of you who don't know about this history and ongoing legacy of this fight to stop the desecration of Sacred Mountain. Ski Resort was permitted permitted by the city of flagstaff by the US Forest Service who manages the mountain is public lands to expand development clear-cut hundreds and hundreds of old growth trees but the primary conflict was over there proposal to defy mother nature in the face of global warming. Because you know who who thinks of skiing Arizona first of all and we do get snow here but their whole point was to build a pipeline fourteen point eight miles else from the city of flagstaff to pump one hundred eighty million gallons of treated sewage onto the mountain for snow making so that they could be open for a consistent season and so At that point I had been touring with the band. Black fire for almost thirty years. And we'd been touring about eighty percent of the year and so I was on stages internationally different places talking about these issues singing songs about these issues and nobody really was at home organizing being you know on the ground especially when the bulldozers starting when the court cases failed when the politicians alternate back on us it came down to you. What's going to stop these bulldozers guitars going to do it so I put the guitar down? Literally and took up. Direct Action found myself locking down in Helping Ping to stop bulldozers physically from desecrating the sacred lands and this is still an ongoing fight and so for me. Music is a powerful talk to communicate to convey. And you know I stated this before but you know so so long as we are fighting for justice art should move. I I truly believe art should help move people into action and so you know any songs that I write anything that I put out there Especially from our cultures dinette. People we we call our healers tostes chantiers in so we use song as a prayer to heal to transform a condition from one state to into a better harmonious state and so not that. I think that these songs are you know prayers in that way but they have intention to address the challenges that we face as the despair that we face the overwhelming sadness. Sometimes that we face when we see these things happen to say yes we have to do something about it and that's to me it's not really about Hope it's about understanding that we are hope we are the answers prayers when we take action in this really important in through the music you have. You've hit home with that on so many levels in let's go ahead and give them some of it. This is over the edge reverence off of the album. Be Unsustainable Steen -able sessions by Cleveland Ali December music maker Uh Uh uh mm-hmm Each show you know. It's best to make any plans crash. Slim and again this eh Eh. See Future came in and and we want to hear what this sound on means to you especially on this day especially during these times. It is our December music maker here on native America calling and Cleveland. Ali is artists. Were featuring you can talk to him directly by dialing one eight hundred nine nine six to eight point Ovau. There's a chance to disavow. So how for the age action saw win and we are seeing action. Saw Prayers win on Shoes in a Eh Hughes Chalice a Ah me this core the shadow lord else bring justice taste grow her skin. Bring Josten Astute swear bullet saw lots to you. Serve our Hauser's to action saw cruise when we live you've seen actions. Operators actions offers were actually top repairs. there you have it the latest from Cleveland Ali here with us today at one. Eight hundred nine nine. Six two eight four eight cle- I hear your passion in Talk to me about that song which is heard there's a lot going on Part of it is actually this response in reflection of some of the challenges that folks taking direct action at places like standing rock which is a fight to protect sacred lands dance and water In the struggle to protect the San Francisco peaks in a range of other struggles. Amonte for Monica and beyond where you know we we seem to have this dissonance dissonance. This discordance in One in this cultural battles won you know dominant social believe. Leave that These sites can be desecrated and done away with so there's this Lack of reverence Then and recognizing that when we take action or actions can be our prayers and so at some points when we are in the struggle to protect the San Francisco peaks. You know we had what we saw at standing rock where there was people who said Oh go back to camp. Oh you know this is. This is too extreme. You know we can't do this you know or or Only you shouldn't be locking down or being you know risking arrest of this places including when people started taking this kind of you. I wonder what changes hang tight. We'll be back. The operation lady. Justice is the name of a new Task Force established by President Donald Trump and it's the administration's nations plan to tackle the issue of missing murdered indigenous women and girls. Well many applaud. The effort will be enough to address the pervasive crisis. 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This December we invited glebe Manali you to share his new album with us the unsustainable sessions and we're also inviting you to dial in you can reach us at one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight eat and we have ten copies of this album to share with you all you gotTa do again. Dial in share your thoughts on air one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. It is the number clear here. He joins US stay out of Flagstaff Arizona and clean. You're telling us more about over the edge in reverence in what it means to new actions as per here go ahead. I guess the main point is about this conflict that we face with folks who have the sort of liberal mindset of pacifying lying indigenous radical resistance. In when you know just recently we celebrated fifty years of the Alcatraz occupation or takeover and without without that kind of action. We wouldn't be where we are two day. You know recognizing that it wasn't until nineteen seventy eight with the passage of the American religious freedom. ACT that our our religious beliefs were still criminalised. They were outlawed and so without those kinds of extreme struggles. We wouldn't be where we are in so you know folks trying into like pull in the reins sometimes we have to recognize the spirit of the youth in that passion is very powerful and you know the main point is that if we live our lives in accordance with our beliefs then every action is a prayer So we carry our medicine with us because we are healers. We're not activists you know we we you know. That's sort of break. Between people saying were water predictors Orlando Defenders Land Protectors and so forth like. Yeah we have a different understanding it more sacred duties to maintain that harmonious relationship with mother Earth and insure that there's balanced for future generations in. There's another song on the album that even talks about this movement and not necessarily one movement together but when there are actions taken then what happens next after the fire in talk to us. How you address this? That's a complicated question You know it really is a conversation that I want to stimulate. 'cause you know in that song particular particular was a reflection of some of the challenges at standing rock standing rock was an amazing cultural and social success but it was a strategic failure Because it didn't stop the pipeline it precipitated a movement that has helped to address that machinery. But you know part of the challenge is actually looking at what are the what are the underlying forces sources. The root causes you know the underlying types of machinery or technologies settler colonialism capitalism Hetero Patriarchy and so afford that are in white supremacy that are maintaining that system in perpetuating that violence and destruction against mother earth and so after the fire service actually looks at the ways that some of the nonprofits were predatory in exploited that struggle. It also looks at the way that you know one of the lines I have in there is why cut the hand pulling back the bow when the Arrow has not yet. Yeah let go. There was a lot of criminalization In Red Warrior camp was vilified for a lot of action set. They took but it was really powerful. Oh you know this militant stance that was necessary at the time and I think we need to explore and have deeper dialogue about strategies and tactics that lookit get ways that we are accountable to our ancestors and the future generations especially if we look at global warming is the greatest crisis facing humanity in people. Say we only have a decade to come to terms with finding solutions. To prevent you know an apocalyptic reality but we as indigenous people know apocalypse we've lived through many of them and we could call that settler colonialism. We'd call that Eko side and we have survived through that. So what are the ways that we can do Continue as healers to share that message with the rest of the world to bring that balance and that's part of that challenge will think Kuechley. Thank you for being with us and you know what I gotta call her. Would like to talk directly with you again if you WANNA chat with clean one eight hundred nine nine six. Two four eight is the number. Let's also give one all of these albums way. We're going to do it by saying hi to Marian who is here in Albuquerque. New Mexico tuned in on K. U. M.. Thanks for giving us a ring. Marian you're on Good morning and thank you for letting me get on the air. I met at a new killer conference in Albuquerque. McKie and I was so pleased by his presentation. I hope that you were able to display that again to more people can see it almost a virtual reality but I wanNA welcome you back to the music. World I would love to hear your now music and I just you know. Oh congratulations no you and your sister are really great. So thank you Marian. Great ear from you. Que- anything you want to tell her. Yeah that was a great conference organized by the Amazing Leona Morgan. She's with the no nukes powerful anti-nuke activists it. It was called the dismantling. The nuclear beason had made this. I'm an artist too for those of you. Don't know and filmmaker I made a three virtual array. I guess a three hundred hundred sixty degree virtual reality documentary experimental film about uranium issues and I organized with the organization called Hall no and Clean Up the minds to address nuclear colonialism in our communities. So there's a lot of other things I do. Aside from music. Music is just one of those things that is very cathartic and healing for me. But thank you for for that welcoming. Indeed Marian thank you for your call again. Phone lines are open. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is a number and you do you do. Cover a lot of ground in this album the song Talking about You know Children Children Who are affected by border issues? Tell me about why you want to make sure this cut on this album the song hands on the barbed wire. I think some of Y'all might her part of the clip of in that break addresses border issues right now with extreme fascism that we face which is in some ways nothing new US policy Against Migrant Communities in the militarization of the border has been ongoing for many years regardless of. Who's been in the offices of Washington and so It's critical because it's a it's a pressing issue that's happening now and there's something that we can do about it And that takes a lot of creativity vity in challenges and there are people who are struggling right now. and so-called border communities whether it's awesome folks whether it's feely rebus autumn awesome voice against the wall whether it's the autumn anti border collective There's folks in so called El Paso as well who've been organizing very fiercely To address this crisis when we have children locked in cages overcrowded Suffering inhuman conditions on that basis. Then and what does that. Say to us as a society What are our responsibilities and obligations to end that suffering in so you know the lyrics address address that but it also connects it to the struggles that we continue to face with the divisions of of land the mini apartheid's that we face whether it's forced relocation up in big mountain? How in the borders artificial borders that were put to divide our peoples there and beyond including a lot of these songs? Listener gets the message edge. What role are you going to play? was that intentional. This album is a call for action. in many ways it's more of a conversation to console those in action or who are traumatized by the state of the world. You know anyone who feels hopeless. Perhaps connect with these sentiments. So the primary question of this album is what we do. We find Our power to be able to push beyond despair to be able to do something about it and take action and I think that that's as I stated before you know my sort of primary manifesto is an artist. recognizes that music is not enough like we need direct ineffective active actions essential if desire healthy and sustainable existences And that's part of what and why I do what I do. A- An artist as a musician in its organiser. You know what let's go and give him some more clear we have. She was a mountain ready to roll. Tells a little bit about it. This this is actually talking about force. Location Big Mountain Black Mesa area you know we just celebrated the closure of the Navajo Generating Station which was a great eight environmental justice success and a justice for indigenous folks who've been suffering the health impacts from Colt the generating station up there but also the closer the peabody coal mines. which really is a big sort of geopolitical? Mesh machination behind the so-called Navajo be land dispute. And that's what this song talks about. So you can listen to the lyrics and it's sort of an honoring of the elder matriarchs in net struggle. Who stood up at one point and said No? We're not GONNA move. We're going to stay on our land because this is who we are. This is how we have been in existence since time immemorial and we're GONNA fight for that here we go another one off of the unsustainable sessions by Clea Benali and was Shooter KNITS Jeez being the son owner. uh-huh through the side show in. We're knew she was American. Comb is so stearns every eh with a CD player in the current mover Shatner in I I there's this is. She was a mountain by CLEA. Bonaly end you heard some names in there. We'll find out a little bit more about each of these names and what they mean for standing foresake complete sits banalities with us. The artists were featuring this December. Join us to at one. Eight hundred nine six two four eight shaft adult sea. Aw two. The Cleveland Ali is here with us. The voice you just heard again if you WANNA join us one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is the number and I definitely wanted to leave space base for the wind at the end because that is another important thing you're paying homage to In that song in clear we heard some names There there tell us the stories. Yeah it will Catherine Smith was a powerful matriarch who helped to initiate the resistance of a big mountain against for forced relocation There's a famous image of her whole gun. You know she got a revolver and said No. You're you're not gonNA move me. And that was part of her desperation powerful act defines Roberta blackout You know I say Roberta. Sing your song in. Roberta was one of my grandmothers and she Tirelessly traveled internationally to advocate for indigenous rights against relocation but you know as part of that voice for mother Earth talking about how coal is deliver of earth and we need to keep her in the ground to ensure that we maintain balance with all of creation. And she always held a sign. That said the Creator is the only one who's going to relocate me But I you know. I traveled with her here in there and she had very quiet voice towards the end as she got up in her elders but her voice was so powerful that anytime she she spoke everybody. Would you know everything would just go silent and everybody would listen. is really powerful songs that she carried forward Pauline white singer you another matriarch. Who's part of that resistance And that strong defiance saying you know this all these laws these man made laws can't move us. We have the laws of the Creator that we live by and this is what we are accountable to because duties and responsibilities to maintain our ways of life for future generations is is part of that covenant that we have with creation and may so I mentioned I also mentioned Alice. Finale there's so many matriarchs eight yards That I could have mentioned here but I wanted to talk about that. Spirit you know and help you know. that powerful active defiance you know is what has kept this resistance and this is over forty years of these elders In their families now who have carried this legacy resisting The so-called great superpower in the world the US government all its laws and might and they still maintain their traditional ways of life. Living on the land in the most powerful resistance are maintaining who they are. And that's amazing this. They're not expert. Activists Paid By some nonprofit profit organization. you know. They're they are responding to a call from our ancestors for future generations of that responsibility. And that's what this song long is about. It's as reflecting on that and saying. Hey we have that responsibility to keep that fire as well And that that wind afterwards you know pauline white singer said that There's no word for relocation in our language to be relocated means to disappear and never be seen again. And that's something that we can't Louis include putting these names in this song you are you know carrying them on all as long as the song is Sung. As long as it's it's played their story will constantly be remembered or their names will be said in in for you. What does that mean I? I don't have any illusions that Asong will be as instructive or effective as a political manifesto But this kind of art can help build cultures of resistance in movement movement and maintain that memory Because you know if those I think that quotas really powerful those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it That's the reality that we face in I. I like to think that in some ways like this kind of music helps to carry on the traditions of folks like flood wreck Western or Peter Lafarge or buffy Sainte Marie indigenous folksinger and songwriter of the nineteen sixties like resistance movements who helped helped to ensure that narrative was what shaped the understandings of indigenous resistant and sped also empowered. Our people spoke to you know. What are those challenges that we face? In what ways have people overcome those in. How can they be celebrated? So that's a big part of it for me. Well thank you for sharing. And we're we're GONNA continue with our conversation here But if you'd like to join us were curious. What are you thinking about hearing this? Maybe questions you have for Glee MM in putting some of this too in down in another form And what happens when you do feed your fist excite call us now support by freedom lodge providing healing for seven generations offering a one of a kind two hundred our historical trauma masterclass beginning in May twenty twenty on the oneida nation in in Wisconsin for professional counselors therapists social workers and educators. There's no charge for tribal members. Now you can imagine an end to generations Suffering and the future of native wellness registration deadline is March second information and registration at Freedom Lodge Dot Org Cosby Yasha. A young non non non non not on the bit than a signal not on the bit. Then Eh Nessin. Your Nana Yon Mandate Young young young young non nine. Knit your non-it non-it on long. Is this in go. So you're not numb. I net on A job by this goal yeon none none it on your own yet. This send goal your none. Nitzan Tong. Non Aung Yang. None it on a on on your non. It knits on your non it on non it on your knits. Aung among young non it's non it on I'm Tara Gatewood in your connected to native America calling with us today is DNA artists musician. Also filmmaker and indigenous anarchists. He's here with us today. Clear Benali originally from Black Mesa and he has worked all of his life And many times is at the front lines to protect indigenous sacred lens among many other things our pleasure to have him here. We're featuring his latest album the unsustainable sessions which he is also also Giving copies away to those who call in and You know what cleave thanks for being here. Let's give another one of these albums away. We're going to say hi to Melvyn in Santini. The Anti Nebraska tuned in on Casey y Que Melvin. Thanks for giving us a ringo. You're connected to cle- yes good morning and it was could you hear about the team's history and being involved in all these are active is in Some Santee we had John to sales who started out in activism and then went into poetry and acting in many of the different arts got involved in and it just seems like when these just leads into the other thing as you move into not only activism but getting word out you find ways. I think it's just great that something. I can use their artistic abilities. Some people can draw or create things. And AH I get sick. It's good to hear that we got other men out there doing and women. Do we fix like this. I Agree Melvin. Great to hear your the voice there in santee clean anything. You don't tell Melvin. Yeah Dontrelle very powerful poet and organiser agitator tator And I think one of those many voices that we all celebrate you know one time. He said he doesn't believe in hope in. It was a very provocative statement and because I was like well. Does that mean. You don't believe in hopelessness. What does that say for indigenous youth? Who feel that? They're in such despair in our communities but it was a provocation. It was something that he wanted to say. He was very provocative artists That wanted to challenge people and I think that was really powerful. You know Because it forced me to explore what do I mean by hope you know. What do I mean by hopelessness? And that's in many ways. The whole point of this album is to say you know like in times of if such despair when we're facing such intense issues you know what is our response. What ways can we go beyond that? And I think you know Joan Baez sexy has this Quote it some action is the antidote for despair and I live my life by that quote really in a so. I think there are powerful things that artists this can contribute And that's part of our responsibility in these very challenging times. Thank you thank you and artists there. You go your time to call in to one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. Let's say hi now. demonte who was in Gallup New Mexico tuned in on key GOP. Monte thank you for giving us a ring go ahead. You're on here. Well I'm I'm getting frequent Flyer Tara but it's okay it's all good or your program's program's really great. And today's program is just really special to me. I don't know a lot about names in in in native American country but I haven't heard of Clea as the name I know the name. Ko e as the last name of Paul Klee it was a fantastic artist in the bow house movement but I haven't heard the name used before is a first name for a native American in any tribe but but that doesn't mean much 'cause I don't know a lot about the different tribes but anyway I'm really enjoying what you have to I say I think it's very valuable and I do value. What you the quote you told us about from Joan Baez? She's a wonderful lady and she has done a lot to contribute to our attempts at improving our society to her music and And I love your music I just wanted. I just say that all right Monty cly you're connected to Montego hit. Thank you really appreciate that you know and I think just going back to what you said. The beginning Y- I'm Tara is amazing. We need to celebrate tear more so we should have a charity. That's coming up December twenty fourth. Thank you yeah I really appreciate it and my first named really name that came to my mom a dream you know so they kept me at the hospital for. I think four days or so and I didn't have a name and all my and he's wanted me all these crazy names and then finally that name came. That was it so there's no wild meaning behind it. Well you have certainly put a lot of meaning to it with the many things that you have done in in you know when when we hear the different things that you are bringing us awareness to Always know that we're going to learn maybe details that are are being covered up or details that people are really afraid of getting You know out there in the open and your name means a lot que- great to have you on the line with us and you know what there is a song that is just so interesting in the way you construct it and what happens with with the lyrics what happens with your own voice as it changes through. This next song is really interesting. What are you going to say about? An Elegy for broken can windows before we say that I like part of my challenge in organizing is not but people pedestals so I appreciate the last caller and your. There's your statements about me and my name But this is something anybody can do like. I recorded this album with like a cheap mike on a computer you know and I think like we are are amazing vibrant creative forces in this world and we all have gifts and something to offer anything that the more we recognize that we can apply that And deconstruct this idea of like you know this sort of idolization or cults personality and all that like I think we can democratize that power power and energy to build and bring all of our people up so I started to say that but yes an elegy for broken windows. is a song and in this sort of it gets into the whole like theme of the Song In his about hope the whole theme of the album. It's about hope despair and I mentioned before I always felt discomfort with the notion notion of hope is a concept And it sometimes clung to in a way that actually maintains spare not interested really in being a maintenance person for despair But looking at the concrete ways in actions that we can take to meaningfully address the changes that you know we need in our daily lives and so you know this it really is You know we can can look at history or what dominant society tells us is our history as one big window or Lens and so the historic narratives and their underlying assumptions shape our identities for example. You you can't desecrate a sacred site or even have such extreme violence against indigenous woman and without the dehumanization of indigenous peoples first so when anyone is viewed or portrayed as less than human than they become exploitable and the violence against them. You know whether it's their against their beliefs to their bodies becomes accepted or normalized and this is why you know folks like Amanda Black Horse and many others working to stop racist mascots. Their work is really critical and important And how it's connected to our larger struggles for justice for the land and all being so you know how the stories are frame to tell. The story is important to understand. This is what we call media literacy and Media Justice and organized youth before an project at your backpack media And that's why it's important tool for them. But you know this. This song gets into this idea of that breaking a window Not maintaining it did or whitewashing a red washing it or reforming it but actually smashing that dominant way of seeing or Living in this world that perpetuates systems. Violence wants against the land in all beings is a critical component for liberation. So you know to me. This isn't just a battle of narratives battle of power otherwise we'd have justice when indigenous peoples days are declared or when Cantata Columbus statutes that are taken down those are components of addressing this lens or this window do we see the world But I can only take us so far. You know. There's this whole concept when you listen to the song there's this concept of the broken windows theory you might have heard about it. Basically you know it's sort of this belief that there's some there's graffiti balance vandalism or like antisocial behavior that goes main unmaintained that society could crumble and encourages further disorder Well I see that strategic opportunity in the face of you you know the intense unsustainable way of life we can call it southern colonialism because climate change is a consequence of the war against mother Earth Earth. It's a symptom of how we are at a balance with mother earth and we listen to people's in a lot of people finally recognizing this or waking up to understand that you know we have to live with harmony with the Earth a few no risk reciprocal ways of life that are with nature not trying to dominate exploit nature for our benefit or greed. Aren't sustainable. I in so you know the song will end as you listen With the line. If one broken window could do the same in I'd smash them all and watch it crumble from within a than it says one hundred thousand rocks against a spare a hundred thousand. A hundred thousand shattering all repair up shattering at all beyond repair. You're you know that to me is it's a call in. It's hopefully something that will inspire young indigenous people who feel isolated understands that the system is not designed benefit them So maybe instead of caving into despair they can take their anger and deep frustration Propel oh creative actions to transform the society and that can be small actions from graffiti or Antisocial behavior can be anti-colonial colonial struggle and looking at ways that we can challenge. You know those things in society that are oppressing us and then build towards dismantling these pipelines dismantling the machinery. Sorry that maintains desecration secrets that perpetuates violence against women to spirit and Trans People on such a disproportionate level and so forth and so. I'm really speaking from experienced here. Those small acts of defiance can be sometimes the most empowering steps in personal and collective active liberation that realization that you're not obligated or balance to live and oppressed existence and taking action sometimes just by saying no even if it's just to a boss so powerful exhausting fear answers over the scenery so no worries a Those clothier used the tower always concern being rock Iraq with all the room. Let's thinking view superior pingree. Who who has the prairial you to use such proudly maintains case? There's you go round around thinking sued Turned into this harm. Yeah let's go back to our phone lines we're going to say hi to Jamie and eastlake meant Minnesota tuned in on W. The steamy. Thanks for calling. You're on Air This one and tell Khalid that I'm really appreciate is good words that he's bringing to us all out here in Indian country and the music sounds good and I wanna thank him for his doing what he's doing and this message is out in the world out here Jamie. Thank you for giving us a ring and you know what room giving more of his song so you can instill then spirit taking out of carpenter. We seized all All their tools and reaching Turks jewelers arteries closed sharpens steel in again stall. Aw Scary yeah so ever watched too mm-hmm pistou washing trumbull from a against just. Yeah Cleveland Ali. Our December music maker. Thank you for sharing this hour in real quick anything you WANNA leave us with a yeah just A. You played one of the songs in the break from my little sister. Read Me Cody. We're going to be celebrating. The album released December twentieth. Right before the solstice winter solstice here in confronted flagstaff. You can check out my website CLEVELAND DOT COM for more information. I this album wouldn't have been possible without my patriot. Supporters as well so really it was like a collaborative effort effort with support through patron which is a crowdfunding sort of subscription based platform. And especially just WANNA send a shout out to my partner princess us for supporting me in this process because she's really been that forced that positive powerful dynamic charcoal force that keeps the world going but the main point is like humans of entire ecosystems are being destroyed to maintain unsustainable lifestyles wherever. There's an environmental crisis. There's a cultural crisis because we we are people of the earth and humans have messed up things pretty good. So what can we do to fix it so this album is a call for that and thank you thank you. That's going to do it for our program today or December music maker meet here again Monday. 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Millennials Who Are Killing It Financially and the Increasing Cost of HBCU Homecoming Season

Manage Your Damn Money: The Podcast

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Millennials Who Are Killing It Financially and the Increasing Cost of HBCU Homecoming Season

"Welcome to manage your money with ben malcolm or trade in personal finance advice entertaining conversations about money millennials and the heart yeah it welcome welcome welcome world yet another edition of my favorite show about money manager damn money with ben and malcolm my friend mr what is going on with each the day all good man i'm just gonna flat out say it's the best show on TV period oh okay so yes it's about money but it's also about much more i read box and three little girls and all kinds of stuff at my favorite all around show speaking of all the kinds of things that we talked about on the show it is is for both you and myself is HEC you homecoming season you and i both going back to our alma mater going back to north carolina ANC i'm going back to hampton university diversity ride this weekend excited about it i am very excited so i had to miss last year's homecoming which was something never do right so like my feelings were so hurt and frankly i forgot about it for like two seconds until people started talking about this homecoming here soon as comes uh-huh overall everybody starts talking about his next right absolutely so i'm like super excited i have one issue that i have with this coming season and granted it's in part because my the whole life situation is delivering but homecoming costs have gotten outrageous how so it used to be like you just go back and like maybe by a party or two but now at least at my school to the point where they're selling spots at the actual tailgate and people are taking the opportunity to buy a space in the parking lot and then they deck out this space with the tent liquor and everything else lynn sell you a ticket to be in that space we're not really friends right right i'm referring to it as a big money grab where people are like china through all these different events and like events adjacent just to make money i mean you went to the wrong school uh-huh frankly i i can't say one hundred or so but i'm pretty confident that that doesn't happen today and don't what is it called project your feelings feelings on me now i'm i'm i'm not projecting i'm thinking i've never heard of such a thing happening at an if you're here actually have ever met you are not in this moment in dire fam- okay so if there's fried fish left by all means get down on these vittles dated needed to do so i i don't know i'll see i'm going to look out for that this time and come back and report of such selfish behavior that that's not the anyway anyway excellent excellent so me and monkey rolling down the road respective schools and we'll tell you about it next time a record as we do on every episode of manager dan money it is it's now time for headlines bunk beds are renting for one thousand dollars as the housing crisis spins out of control this was a september twenty nineteen eighteen piece on the huffington post by catherine smith in the midst of an affordable housing crunch people are trading privacy for a place to live ashley shannon fit all her earthly possessions into a suitcase in a duffel the twenty two year old got rid of her all her stuff when she moved to kansas to los angeles after college for much of the pastiche and has lived at upscale hostile called podge ashir paying one thousand dollars a month remember that one thousand dollars a month less than half the advocacy average cost of a one bedroom apartment in the city for bunk bunk in a larger room occupied mostly by other young people for that she gets for utilities basic toiletries coffee food staples like peanut butter and rama noodles that is not a staple staffers living on sites said it's funny right staffers living cleanup after guests and even cooked meals with them and the guests come from from all over new york minhas leyla japan they share bathrooms kitchen and camaroon's malcolm first question though before i go on what was your initial well reaction when you first read this piece it sounds like utter foolishness a thousand dollars a lot of money it is a lot every month right house l. dollars a year that you're paying somebody to live like this right like when i looked online at the photos that go along with absolutely absolutely like an upscale scale jail like i can't imagine paying somebody money to go to jail without bar which is essentially right so you're allowed to come and go as you please but when you leave MIT might take your stuff in jail right like i just i can't imagine i like my first reaction to this whole article like you said because i was directness the article the amount people were paying in the visuals are striking 'cause this literally one is like you said it's a prison bunk mattress and then maybe you you have like a little show for a couple of things and then the picture show multiple people in their bunks on their laptop reading the book you know and i was just like mike and i'm from and that was the stage picture right everybody make it look like fun three and and this is in los angeles i'm originally from los angeles los angeles county in pasadena and i was like is this the best that we can do for young people today like here's a bunk pay thousand dollars a month i literally early fell and i'll tell you this when when i found the article so angry right now like this is ridiculous but i have a hard time being angry over it okay the reason is because so you chose to fly from kansas to LA with your life in a suitcase and say i'm gonna make it in LA you chose that life you also chose rose to sign the contract to pay a thousand dollars a month to live that life so it's a hard way to go for me to feel bad for you because you willfully subjected yourself to of that situation now on the flip side if you're a person who's from from LA liz in LA and you got displaced from your home right because of the way costs keep going up to the point that the only thing you can afford this hostile jail right then i'm like okay i feel bad for this person because they're not upwardly mobile will clearly with a left and their home is being taken away from them around like this but in this case you got on a plane and subjected yourself to that willfully speaking of upward we're mobility article on to say that this is not a lifestyle in which everyone would drive but it works for shannon who earns forty thousand dollars a year roughly thirty percent below the the city average as a personal assistant to hypnotherapist she likes living with a rotating cast the people she doesn't feel like he's doing where money pasha share which rents two hundred twenty beds across five locations and one san francisco is one of the growing number of new quote unquote co living spaces where people have their own tiny bedroom or you've been a larger share broom and properties usually controlled by management company as a housing crisis incentivizing booming coastal cities LA is definitely one of those these co living spaces are emerging as an alternative alternative for people who want to live near urban cores but are otherwise priced out the appeal especially to young professionals building their careers who often have paychecks to small and student debts to lars to by a house or afford skyrocketing rent prices and i can tell you without question i live a better life or at least with more privacy than shannon is right now in college at hampton the university right in undergrad i had a better living situation than this i also went to school in north carolina i guarantee for that thous dollars she could probably get an eight thousand square foot mansion in greensboro north carolina right cheater invite all her friends per room charged them them rant and still come out ahead with forty thousand dollar salary right now this picture of los angeles and austin angeles is kind of like what you would think of when you think about these cities where the good jobs are so to speak quote unquote and but i'm thinking like what does this tell us about living in those cities where you might make a larger salary to some extent it's not really though she makes forty thousand dollars you can make forty thousand dollars in a lot of other cities and i have have a lot more to show for it then eighteen revolving roommate's like i just don't understand the logic in that other than i wanna live in l. a. because i want to get discovered because i want to be in the next episode brooklyn nine nine and that's the only way to do it right otherwise i don't understand the logic absolutely absolutely is this what young millennials and generation x can expect for housing like a continued degradation so to speak of their living arrangements in this way i don't think so because we're we're also seeing so do you remember how old she was in this situation right so twenty three is about six or seven years away from saying this is some foolish i can't believe i've been doing this this long there are other curse words because there are other words that we can't say on public public TV right but what will happen is i'm noticing this with my own friends and now also read about this trend quote unquote a million times where older millennials like us who are growing up and saying it doesn't have to be like this right like it's been fun to live in DC new york san francisco wherever but i'm out but i'm out because i'm going to nashville where i can actually afford a home and afford to be a grownup because in these places i can't function away away grownups function right maybe i'll come back one day when i make a little more upscale money but probably not absolutely sleeping older millennials a friend of mine actually refers here's to us or those who identifies that as elderly millennials i thought it was like a great use of the word but i want to remind people you can always catch past episodes manage managed money as a podcast apple podcasts soundcloud stitcher google play and spotify please please please leave us a rating or view on any of those platforms that helps more people so if you have a topic or question you want to cover send it to us info at manage your money dot com and of course you can always follow us on social media my handle at NYU AM one knock on wood yours at malcolm on money facebook facebook dot com slash measure their money this MIDEM with malcolm we'll be right back uh komo thanks for listening to manage money with ben and malcolm are interested in more entertaining fare covering money and millennials treat yourself to a copy of my book fictitious assist financial fairy tale a completely under story about money friends and moscow mules available now on the brother i mean amazon it's packed act laughs and will look great on your coffee table enjoy the rest of the show welcome back to manager money with ben malcolm where on this episode we are talking about millennials who are killing it financially salihi on NYPD and we spend most of our time trying to break down personal finance concepts so you can make improvements in your financial life sometimes you have to look at the bat so we can understand the good but in this episode of the DM we are keeping upbeat we're looking at millennials who are killing the game succeeding and managing their personal finances malcolm you sent me this idea an email i think what what kind of inspires you to kind of conceptualize this this thought well i mean i guess just my overall old general wanting to stick it to the man and i'm joking i think really just the idea that normally we hear all all the bad things that are happening with millennials and what we're doing wrong in so to find out that there's so many of us who are doing well and in drove all right is actually really interesting to me right after speaking of those drove lineas doing well the headline that we pull over this bs was there are more than six six hundred thousand millennial millionaires the united states according to one report on this is october twenty nine dot com by olivia remond romande monday there are six hundred eighteen thousand millennial millionaires i'm not one of them in the united states and their wealth is only expected to grow me are expected to be five times wealthier in the next decade and they are now according to a report by coldwell banker some of their wealth can be attributed to what's been dubbed the quote great wealth transfer nearly sixty eight trillion in dollars in assets are expected to flow to younger generations so did you know there are this many millionaires or did you think many i i mean i figured there had to be nia few hundred that live like out in silicon valley and we're early early entrance into some of the apps and platforms that we use news on a regular basis that i had no idea that there were six hundred thousand yes that's a big number number the difference between millionaires of the early nineteen eighties and the ones being created day is that many of them stand to inherit even more wealth from their baby we were baby boomer parents who are considered the wealthiest generation history therefore says i'm currently ninety three percent of millennials camila millionaires have a net wealth between approximately one million two point five million dollars according to the report nearly sixty percent live in california or new york chasing that dream in LA away and they are investing more real estate than elderly millionaire counterparts so you're in financial services industry what i do does the financial industry broadly understand about the quote unquote great wealth transfer not a lot okay a lot of quote unquote think pieces right there freeze breeze but in this case because it is like actually pejorative so a lot of people are writing a lot of things about they understand that there is this great wealth transfer that's going to happen so back up for two seconds basically it's just the boomer generation passing along sixty eight i think is as the number estimated now trillion dollars sixty trillion dollars over the next twenty to twenty five years to genetics and us gen y. right um and that's what's being dubbed the great wealth transfer essay and so everybody's kind of got their everybody being the larger brokerage firms financial financial services firms has have all got their idea of what millennials in geneticists are gonna want in the form of financial advice because it actually does look different from the boomer generation that acquired that wealth but i haven't seen very many folks in any meaningful way actually creating concepts concepts and platforms that draw in that attention from those folks yet with the exception of some millennial financial advisers who i know who are new entrance into to the space right who are creating a firm now to be able to work with those millennial or gen x. folks where they are today knowing that within the next ten twenty years they're going to be in the same places there boomer parents but awesome awesome another story that we pooled excuse me for this particular piece this self-made millionaire parents out of debt and bought them their first home this is a march two thousand eighteen piece on NBC dot com by karen gilchrist and a hot hot awesome why don't we get hard last names on this show how onto their we got anaheim house honcho was twenty one when she said her first major financial goal by i hear parents at home before she turned thirty at twenty eight she isn't it though at twenty eight she handed them a new set of house keys and by the time her milestone birthday rolled around she was officially a millionaire how did that happen i'll tell you how how tommaso is not the founder of a multi million dollar tech startup nor did she grow up with money in in fact quite the opposite as a teenager her family was saddled with thousands of dollars in credit card debts and ever increasing rents on their apartment and singapore after the nineteen ninety seven asian financial crisis is this costs her parents textile business to go bust after finishing high school how tanya went to singapore management university to study finance taking his many extra classes as she could she then and started working as a wealth manager figured on a time frame for paying her family's debts and bind them home over those nine years she worked several jobs and use their financial knowledge to invest in the stock doc market she started first with small caps emporium stocks before buying fallen US equities after the two thousand eight financial crash she also practiced a frugal lifestyle she what do you referred to as they quote unquote cafe mentality which she said is a common mistake for millennials and khalid frivolous spending instead she limited her spending to one hundred singapore dollars per week which is about seventy five dollars per week and just one of those holiday per year malcolm what's what what sticks out to me about this story and i feel like these are like one in a million are are these young people or millennials however you wanna define them that had like this kind of prescient perspective in terms of how they're going to manage their stuff for the future like i'm making i mean what i think is a poor financial decision by going to home company but i'm still go 'cause i don't wanna miss out right okay but that would that would that doesn't seem as if it was stand and if how tanto was given the same question at the same quandry that's the real challenge right you want to the irregular person but you also want to have something put to the side when that rainy day comes at some point it does rain right so that's kind on the challenge that i think a lot of people struggle with because a lot of times it it probably sounds to us as you listen to all these different pundits in the financial services orissa space talk it sounds like you can only have one or the other right only have a frivolous lifestyle or you can have a super frugal lifestyle working multiple jobs living on seventy five five dollars a week and you know that that's very little joy if any i like to believe there's a happy medium i personally despite what a lot of people assume in in a lot of what some of my friends tend to think i'm really not all that cheap way i'm just not frivolous either like i'm going to homecoming two ah hundred dollars fun this weekend but i'm also not frivolous in the sense that i'm not buying bottles or you know doing the whole table thing and all all that i'm not buying any new outfits to go like i have plenty of clothes so you go i limited my floodgates stop that was it for not doing it i'm gonna check back in with you a bit so like you know what i mean but you get what i'm saying like i want to be the at the event but i don't need to be the best dressed like dude i'm married like i'm good like i probably won't buy new shoes this year won't buy any new genes this a year for what so at the end of the day i think there's a way to live in the middle somewhere where you still get to enjoy life inexperienced experienced things but you don't have to have all of the things was also interesting though to is it seems like kind of moving away from like the frugal versus not frivolous and whatever she also seems to have had a plan much earlier on in terms of how she's gonna direct her career she got into a line of work that was able to pay her certain amount and mm-hmm was you know forward thinking i mean the story saying that she bought US equities and stocks after the financial crisis of two thousand eight i mean that's some really like forward looking you know that's amazing yeah right you have to already have known that that's the place that's money right yeah and that's the the kind of thing that i think is always interesting to see but you always you don't necessarily have that knowledge at this age and stage to know what to do if you you know what i mean you know what i'm saying completely i mean all but having the knowledge is one thing having the desire to do something with that knowledge is a totally different thing because there's plenty of people all in the same industry season same industry i'm in right who in two thousand seven two thousand eight two thousand nine had the information and the access to be able to do the same and fan wherewithal and they didn't so you know there's also something to be said for having the desire to do something and not even for herself because it doesn't say necessary oh she's a millionaire but it doesn't necessarily that she bought anything for herself it just says that her goal is to by our folks a house where she lives in the house with them i don't know very kind of pulling back back a little bit and this'll be my last question before we go to another music break how is it different we talked about inherited wealth and earned wealth and it sounds like this young ladies are it was more on the earn side and she didn't even have to like have a wicked jump shot right in order to pull it off that's the amazing thing about it to me as i read okay it's like she's he's not a pro athlete or an entertainer anything like that she'd been found the tech startup that made a big right she's a regular person right and he does it that exactly it doesn't make a difference in how we we understand their wealth based on having earned it versus it being passed down one hundred percent i think i think we tend to ooh mentally discount people who come into wealth because it was family generated and i even include myself in that to some degree when you have a conversation with somebody about like the origin story of them and how they came to get to where they are right because it's like you can't necessarily have the same same respect for the assets as g two g three g one who created that wealth absolutely you know what i mean so i mean it's possible right like you can instill in your kids and your grandkids and whoever else in your lineage how you want them to think about their assets and think think about their financial privilege at that point but it's still really tough for them to have the same mentality as the person who walked uphill oh both ways to work every day to get it done for however many years it took to get it done absolutely absolutely you can always catch manage their money as podcast on apple podcast soundcloud stitcher google play and spotify also please leave us a rating in a review on any of those platforms that help more people catch the show you have a question or topic you want discover sent it to us info at managing money dot com and of course you can always follow us on social media handles at MIT AM one what's yours at malcolm on money yards get us on facebook facebook facebook dot com slash managing money i'm speaking of homecoming real quick did you get any hey stranger texts i did not i didn't want you to answer is that we'll be right back they the welcome back to manage your money where on this episodes conversation at hand we were talking about millennials who are killing in it financially another story that we pull for this show millennial super savers socking away at least fifteen percent of their incomes this was a september two thousand fifteen piece on by bloomberg news thirty million participants in a 401K 401K plans administered by fidelity investments close to four hundred twenty one thousand are young quote unquote super savers ironman wonder woman millennial super saver he or she is an ordinary human eighteen thirty four who saves at least fifteen percent of his or her her salary each year in a 401K retirement savings plan the mission save enough to retire comfortably or at least retire at all an analyst by fidelity investment of the ornelas by fidelity investments thirteen million participants in 401K plans it administers found close to four hundred twenty thousand of these young super savers as fidelity fidelity calls them accounting for almost twenty percent of the millennial savers and fidelity's database on they save an average of eleven percent of their salaries the other four percent comes from the company match back on the overall average millennial contribution rate is six point six percent which rises to eleven percent with the company match health millennial super savers and like a lot more money than their non super saver peers on the average big saver in the AC thirty four range makes seventy three thousand dollars a year which is a pretty significant salary that that's not investment mega the money but it's a nice compare it when we compare it to forty six thousand dollars a year on average from non super savers savings can be tough for everybody but savings when you have a salary salary that's twenty three percent higher than the median for your peers less painful so malcolm what are millennial super savers doing that the rest of us or not everyone is doing i think thing is just the disciplined slash commitment to setting that threshold right like the whole pay your for pay yourself first mentality is shown through those statistics users read through because of my focus is i wanna make sure that i get fifteen percent of my income into my 401K every single year and that means i've at least these guys contribute like ten percent let's say myself to get the match to do it then i've now committed to paying myself ten percent first before any and everybody else gets anything right and when you normally to me when you set contributions like that on a systematic recurring basis you forget about it after like two months that's true i think the real test is when you actually have like a life change and you know like for example my having triplets was a major life change and my the amount of money they converted diverted into my 401K i could use that on a day to day basis but i've somehow continued to allow that to go into the 401K but the the good thing for you wanna completely lately nonfinancial basis okay go ahead and say that you had all girls because then they are your retirement plan whereas like you know what i mean girls girls take care of their day guys will leave you hanging so at least like at the end of the day you had three shots at our retirement plan and and so you know one of them will probably remember the i hope so i also have you ever heard of young people who haven't or didn't are aren't necessarily early understanding the value of being aggressive before one k contributions several and a lot of times people will say something to the effect of like i'll get to that later okay like i got all these other things i need to do i'll get to that later and realistically no you won't like actually actually can't get to it later later 'cause now with tom when you're like so it's two things working against you right it's the fact that like compounding returns snowball on top of themselves but there has to he something there in the first place to start plus the fact that like this is the time when your life is the cheapest presumably it's going to be ah i can attest to that so it's like you know once your kids grow up and start doing activities and going to college and all that kind of stuff money is constantly flowing now right so right now like this is the cheapest life is gonna be for you by for a very long time right now so it's two things working against yes do simultaneously when you make that argue how do you convince people to actually do it like people who are our age or younger like i don't know i've kind of given up to be honest with the alga okay the folks that legitimately are like i want to do better and if i knew better i would do better so tell me how right i'm all for it i'll have a conversation with them all day every day but the people people who have all the excuses for why they can't like literally can't and i'm like talking to people sometimes who i know for fact make more than i do and i'm like if i can save been like i don't understand how that like had at mathworks or to each their own and a more technical financial question how critical as a retirement savings to savings in your life as a whole so i mean that's kind of the rub that people come into quite a bit where it's like whereas the top so if i'm saving ten percent already in retirement account should i now start creating investment portfolio with any raises that that i get or should i start saving that into the money market savings account or something that's kind of the conversation the way it evolves on that it really is a one all thing for how you anticipate retirement to look like if you're one of these millennials who fired follows the fire financial independence retire early movement movement then maybe you don't want everything you have in a retirement account because you're going to retire at forty but you won't be able to touch any of those funds without paying taxes until fifty nine and a half right if you're a person who like me thinks they'll probably be eighty before they really consider retiring then maybe it doesn't matter to you so much if it's an IRA or 401K or whatever so it just depends i think on your outlook for your life you showing up to whatever office they let you come to age eighty is hilarious work from home like but i mean like legitimately i don't see myself wanting to be retired until like people are like do you just showed up here in your bathrobe through gotta go home people are calling my wife saying can you come get him then i'll know it's time to hang it up until then like i have no interest in okay okay very good and another story that we have real quick twenty eight year old who banked two hundred fifty thousand dollars says this mental shift is the key to save you money this is august one eighteen piece diesel CNBC's make it by kathleen elkin one mellon minneapolis based millennial who goes by them sean is doing far better than average the twenty the eight year old had managed to sock away two hundred fifty six thousand dollars as july twenty eighteen he reports on his blog and expect to have enough in the bank to retire comfortably by cocoon the age of thirty seven CNBC make it ash on who sets aside sixty percent of his eighty thousand dollars salary for his top money saving tips sean says says you have to rid yourself with the idea that what everyone else does is what you also need to be doing also known as keeping up with the joneses the question question the things you're you're spending your money on he says and make sure that what you're spending on is actually making you happy and it's not just the social norm and other words don't buy into high status items was just because your friends do that's easier said than done especially in today's social media driven were as one study found social media can have a significant impact on spending habits particularly those of young people aw ninety percent of millennial respondents said social media creates a tendency to compare their own wealth lifestyles to that of their peers it's okay to splurge on things he adds but make sure that whatever it is truly is what you want to spend money on on the story just close by saying the number one way found to avoid compared his situation anyone else was to the voice social media altogether the best i can give is that you just live your own life the best way to just live simply and be content is just turn it all off and hardly pay attention to it at all because that's what gets people into the most trouble they oh my friend went on vacation and i wish i could do that too and we know that that is prominent i'm an prevalent in the social media would as four i they might as well like add that as a tagline so what social media is nowadays but how how how much the psychology plays in how he managed to save our money especially when you talk about these outside factors like social media it's gotta be like seventy five percent of the battle okay i mean there's a lot to be said for the fear of missing out on this phone sure i hate that acronym mature okay something to be said for feeling like you're not at the level that the other people who are around you are at and trying to at least look have of an outward appearance that you are and so i i really liked the fact that his number one tip is don't measure your financial success by anybody else around you because you'll you'll go broke trying not to look like and that's not a good way to live your life then never do you ever get off that treadmill so i really liked it that's his number one key thing but i mean if he makes eighty thousand dollars and he's living he's saving sixty percent of that that is fifty five thousand dollars is that right fifty yeah fifty five that's too much to me like i'm thinking now about all the other things i could be doing with just another like ten thousand of that him so that's another example of what i i was talking about at the top of this i was like there's a happy medium somewhere i'm happy for him if he's if he's happy i'm happy could be fun you could be right it's just tough tough to believe that he is funny and then real quick how do people is is the answer truly like disconnecting or giving yourself some some kind of stringent limits when it comes to engaging on social media and he's connected platforms like what's the solution they're like honestly i on social media a decent it's in her mouth to tweet stuff all the time like you on twitter though that's not the flex that's not the flex well maybe that's the answer instagram the gramm on twitter linked in and twitter are the only two things that i and i'm on linked in more than twitter social media so maybe that's the incident because in that by saying i don't really feel motivated to do anything to keep up with anybody like i don't ever see anything anybody's doing say like man i need his life right absolutely well we were talking about millennials who are killing it who are the millennials in your network of people who you know who are killing clean it like what's their profile what's there make a i don't know enough of them frankly needs some new clients now i really like i ah so i went to a school that has produced a gazillion engineers and so most of my classmates who are actually like not even necessarily killing it in the sense that like they can donate a hospital to a neighborhood but killing in the sense that like they're not worried like that tent that you're talking about that you walk up to a homecoming and they're like it's twenty dollars to come in i'm gonna pay for me in the eight people behind me then we'll make a dent whatsoever like that kinda sure i know a handful of those people because all all of them are software engineers or something super related to that the people who i've known who are killing it or at least killing it in this current moment are people who are one they have some kind of like a high earning job that kind of nets them some income that's higher than the normal threshold and they're using that income to reinvest them like at least as the people on thinking about in real estate kinda type projects and maybe adjacent to the work they do or they've handed it to somebody else who's in that space and they're just giving it to them as as an investment so those are the people who i think we're of the instagram real estate invest well these are these are people who i know personally i'm not talking about those kind of folks but also also what are some other keys in your mind to killing it financially as a millennial well you actually just touched on one that i was going to say is getting into understanding real estate investing as early as possible because again that snowball has the compound right so you building that passive income snowball has has to start at some point so they can build on top of itself right so the earlier you get into that space or the faster you get there right because what i've learned in the time that what i've been doing this is that you can have a really good job like the c o o CFO CEO of some major company and make a really good living and save your way to about two and a half three and a half million dollars right beyond that you've either got to be attached to some sort of wealth creation like getting started the business and drove it to millions of dollars a profitability or you've been investing in real estate for a really long time all right those are the only two ways that i really really seem people build significant you know ten million twenty fifty million dollar portfolios over time and so to me the sooner you get into that world the faster you get there in the better off you you end up and maybe some smaller steps in keys in my opinion one thing that ourself uh-huh marriage and partnership however you wanna work that is a big one because you're talking about putting two incomes in one household the math is is just ridiculous for you right there also of course it eliminated debt finding extra income where possible and for as long as you can't living well below your means in general so that means maybe having a place that doesn't have every amenity but has enough to put your head down and be warm when it's winter those are my standards here's when they cost too much so another question how do people manage sometimes lacking incomes or not being where they want to be financially through the twenties and thirties how do you manage that get another job i don't period of time where you're not necessarily especially for certain how did he say career tracks where you're not gonna make the money until later how do people manage it went they're making that you know thirty k. forty k. like we talked about in the opening of the show what what's her name shannon shannon yeah how do people manage through that period period of time so he comes back to not trying to keep book with what everybody else is doing because i actually that happened to me right so when i came college as i mentioned i know a good number of folks who are engineers and so their first jobs jobs out of college you know they're making sixty five seventy five eighty thousand dollars like they was balling couple years right so then you compare that to somebody like like me when i first started in this in the financial services industry i wanna say my i i don't remember the exact number but it was something in the forties my first year in this business yes but a financial advisor has a steep reserve in income where somewhere after like your first five years ears and people realize like okay this person i need is gonna hit their doing you'll be okay but those first five years so i think really really the key is keeping in mind that you just can't live like everybody else lives and frankly being honest enough with the people around you to tell them that keeps them from i'm trying to encourage you to to live that way too after after i'm quick to tell somebody like i don't have money for that y'all talking above my pay grade many many many people have criticized me for having such things to say yeah at least publicly i don't know if you're supposed to say it quietly or not at all and just not go played on twitter indeed

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"The. Basco? I n last the podcast. Oh, baby. It's thinks giving hype week. Continue why based off something this weekend all of your dreams can officially come true. And today, you're not going to be able to tell me a bleeping thing. First and last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, we're presented by progressive insurance callers. Join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. And you can tweet the show the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at ESPN radio in at 'em goal of junior fifty seven a man, it is that we for all the talk. I have gotten a lot of unnecessary slander in the last couple of weeks for my early embrace of the Christmas and the holiday season. It's thanksgiving hype. We you think I don't take this seriously. And I promise you I spent way too much time on a morning where we had eight games yesterday in the NFL decided by not a score or less but a field goal or less eight games decided by three points or less yesterday. We had all of that go on in the world of college football this weekend. We. We are now getting ready for a world coming up this weekend in a world where we've got rivalry games. And Michigan opening a favourite against Ohio State for what feels like the first time in a long time. I'm going to spend the entire morning force-feeding. Everyone more Notre Dame than you are willing or able to handle but in all of this. I came in here this morning and God is my witness. I sat here with Alli, our producer in the pre show meeting talking about thanksgiving sides, and you know, what even further down because everyone likes to talk about their size. I saw a bunch of psychos on the internet posted pictures of MAC and cheese with green beans in each be. Shamed of yourself and banned from thanksgiving table near you. But above all else. How do and I am. I said, you know, what I'm excited about not. Even just the Turkey the Turkey. You'll have your round not even just the stuffing. Because man, you throw little sausage. We know that bit of it is great. I'm talking about how into this a my the thing that excites me is not any that. It's even smaller. It's down to the details. I'm talking about the crunchies on top of the green bean casserole. I'm talking about those little next level details that you're gonna miss if you're not really about it, so less you not. I think we're about it here in first and last that is the world that we're living in the world. We're also living in is one where I apparently undersold under appreciated and overall doubted in a way, I shouldn't the Chicago Bears. The Chicago Bears last night. Get a win on Sunday night football primetime performance against the division rival in the Minnesota Vikings. They win twenty five to twenty in a game. That was not all that close. Minnesota had a chance to rally late, but ultimately fell short and the bears almost every phase of this game felt like a complete team especially a quarterback at a spot that I had questioned Mitchell Trubisky his accuracy through the majority of this year. And this is a guy who still has some things to work on their still a couple of turnover costly turnovers for them last night. But ultimately, what he nets you at this point on the ground as well as what he's able to do within Matt Nagy offense through the air. This is a very legit team. Led by the best player on defense in the National Football League. And I don't even know if it's all that close right now when he's healthy. Now, it felt like a statement to us Matt Nagy Chicago Bears head coach not so sure. Well, I don't know if it was making the statement tonight. I think for us what it would be just that we feel like in any game that we can play with anybody in this league. But we always respect whoever it is. And so this is a team that you know. You know, making it to the NFC championship game last year and. Being able to play good football. They're good. You know? And and so we know that and our guys want to be a part of that. And so that's that's what we're able to do. I last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. We're presented by progressive home insurance. Get your quote at progressive dot com today and. This is such a double edged sword because all of the Dupree's for the Chicago Bears and met Nagy. I thought called there were a couple of series in there that were among the best in the NFL this year where we've watched things historic offense of pace from the chiefs. Like, we're getting ready to see with them in the Rams tonight. Both what the saints did obliterating the super defending Super Bowl champion eagles yesterday. And there were a couple of series in that game for Chicago that are as good as you're going to see called by offense of play caller in this league yesterday from Nagy. But conversely, it was about also doing that against a Vikings defense that last we saw them racked up. Ten sacks against the Detroit Lions in that division. And people have thought had kinda worked out there Everson Griffen and come back from dealing with some personal issues. Deniro hunter had been at a pace where we were talking about him maybe in that defensive player of the year kind of category with the number. Production. He was putting up, but ultimately yesterday that was a group that seemed to be on their heels. The vast majority of the day and less we leave out the Vikings offense going up against that bears defense that again when Khalil Mack is healthy he is so far and away the defensive player of the year. We talk about how defensive players and this has been true of JJ watt in the last few years. Well, maybe the Texans haven't been as good the quarterback situations been in flux, but you've got a singular performer on the defensive side that is so great. We have to give them their proper do with Kalou MAC. He's affecting the game in such a way where he is having quarterback level influence or at least did last night because you saw every Viking snap. There had to be a plan for Khalil Mack. And if there wasn't the play was a Cola's failure. It was it was it was completely binary either. You put all of your. Focus into Khalil Mack. Or your play was a disaster. And you almost turned it over or Kirk cousins was getting hit or any of the above at was as singularly dominant defensive performance in just overall impact as we've seen all year. And now, it's prime time. I'm probably a little high on a motion from that and going to overweight certain portions, but man, you just so rarely see that influence that we hear about it all the time. I heard Dan Orlovsky former NFL quarterback football analysts here for us at ESPN was on the meantime, show podcast, and he was talking about going into certain games and having a game plan to address certain defenders, and he was talking about playing Terrell. Suggs Baltimore Ravens outside linebacker, and he said going into that game week got into the meeting, and there was no plan to address any raise his hand. He said, no, no, no. What are we going to do about fifty five because that's my belief on the line? And so understanding. That it just felt different yesterday are ESPN NFL analyst Ryan Clark on sportscenter yesterday with John buccigross reacting to what he saw from this division matchup that Neg understands what type of athlete he has Mitch Trubisky. This was something that was talked about as much, but he came out, but we see week in week out. Mitchell Trubisky making plays with his legs. One of these guys come playoff time. I think the best wide receiver in the league digs unbelievable. So slowly. But is there enough there right now, they're not playing good enough defense coming into this year? It was about what the Minnesota Vikings were defensively last year. They're not getting the same type of pressure on a quarterback, not creating the turnovers that we've seen and you went out and got Kirk cousins to go win games. Like this that they played tonight. And he just wasn't good enough. You saw the interception. Eddie Jackson that put points on a boy for the Chicago Bears. He can't make those mistakes if he wants to be the guy that's the franchise guy for the Minnesota Vikings. And makes that contract looked like he deserved. And that's gonna always be a storyline for this season that you constant indictment of Kirk cousins. I think he's gone out and earned that money ten times over during the course of the season with some of the kinds of caliber of throws. He's made over the course of the year. But last night was atypical. I heard them talking in the broadcast numbers against pressure last night were abysmal compared to what he's done overall on the season. And I think that speaks to again on their best day what we see out of this Chicago defense and on the other side, I feel like an all this having given the proper credit to Mitch Trubisky. Who now I believe yesterday overtook Cam Newton for rushing yards by a quarterback this season. The NFL leads the NFL in yards per carry average, and is a guy who is flat out special with that. And so we're going to talk at some point today about Lamar Jackson who made his debut and the way you lean into the strength of certain players met Nagy is fully embraced the strengths of Maserati. Mitch Matt Nagy has fully gotten gotten. Hind. All right. This is what my quarterback doesn't just do. Well, but does it an elite level is by time around the pocket? Find his way into open space and Flint guys miss in a way that we always hear is not possible at the NFL level. Save for a select few and Mitchell Trubisky is officially a part of that select few at this point. So now for the bears in that division. It feels like the sky's the limit. If they can keep this up doing in primetime against an opponent like Minnesota. I think is going to do long go along way for public confidence in this team in this situation and for a schedule that lines favorably down the stretch, we're gonna be talking very seriously about bears playoff run, very soon. And last podcast ready to let the Notre Dame hype machine wash over me like a tidal wave. It's coming believe me, we are going to have plenty for our friend. Stephen a Smith who stood up and took his medicine, but was on the wrong side of history with this one. Hard to blame him hard to blame everyone. But everyone around here. I just need a lot of quiet this morning. Lot of be ever. So quiet. Never. So still this morning. Everyone ESPN heard a lot of voicemails last week going into Notre Dame Syracuse game and a lot of chatter in your now a lot of people putting their money where their mouth was not a lot of people really thinking about it. And it got real quiet real early. I was down calling Texas Tech at Kansas state. And I was sitting there and all I prayed for is that it's over early. So I can focus on the game. I gotta do more sitting there in the booth before the game and watching the game on the monitor. And sure enough about set ups about seventeen points early on in that game. I was able to turn it off and rest pretty easy. So proud Irish Lebanon o- on the season heading into Southern Cal. We'll get to plenty of that show. Staff. Took a nice trip to Yankee Stadium and got to see it up close and personal man. We gotta talk about the weirdest thing in the world yesterday. I. I landed. I took a flight back from Manhattan Kansas landed Sunday morning in Connecticut around eleven fifteen and when I got off the plane, I was greeted by two things two things that I was not ready. To here at that point in time. The first of which is a little more run of the mill and fell news and reports that from Adam Schefter that said league sources believed the Jaguars will entertain the idea of trading cornerback. Jalen Ramsey in the off-season that already jarring young star that they drafted out of Florida state, a guy who's been outspoken, but also been highly productive since he entered the league. Since released a statement, they have zero intention of trading cornerback. Jalen ramsey. There's no truth to this rumor. But when that is the appetizer. And the main course is reports from ESPN's Adam Schefter that the Browns would like to interview former secretary of state Condoleeza Rice for their head coaching job. A league source tells ESPN. Then it feels like a weird day. You know, what it wasn't? I feel like we all processed this the right way, which is Brown's GM John Dorsey had said last week that he was open to hiring a woman Cleveland's next head coach, and I also cool. Absolutely. There are a lot more women lately starting to get jobs in and around football in the NFL. And this is something that absolutely trend down the road hundred percent on let's do it. But the name Condoleeza Rice all the sudden coming out of the woodwork shot a lot of people because outside of being a part of the college football playoff selection committee like she was a few years ago. Not a lot of direct football experience in all of this. And so I immediately sat around and go. All right. What are the Browns trying to cover up? What are the Browns? Trying to throw us off the trail of that they would release this kind of news because it's not something that was actually going to happen. I mean, hell I thought actually went through my head. And this says more about my opinion. Of this franchise than it does anything else. But I'm like man, maybe they're trying to do this to see if they can get someone like the jets to take the bait because it would seem like the ultimate jets move. Is there more than likely going to be moving on to a new head coach this offseason to say, man, what are the Browns and Condoleeza Rice? Maybe we need to look at this one. Maybe we need to look in and check this out. But ultimately, it was nothing more than that, a strange headline and something that we all kind of try and sit in process on a Sunday morning. Adam Schefter, Rex Ryan. And Sam ponder on Sunday. NFL countdown trying to do just that. Oh, this is very interesting because this past week the Browns general manager John Dorsey came out and said he would consider anybody for the job including women. And as it turns out, there is one woman at the Browns have on their wishlist to go speak to and that would be the former secretary of state. Who's at lifelong Browns fan. Now, the Browns are interested in getting her ideas or input into the organization. She was with the team out in Oakley. She could become the first woman ever to interview for NFL head coaching job. And it comes time where we've seen one and make inroads into sports with various coaching positions. Everyone knows sweeping extreme long shot to get the job, maybe she distributing the consultant type away, but the Browns would like to interviewer for their head coaching job Wienert for years that she was interested in being Commissioner. She's always been time at Stanford with David Shaw. She loves the game. I'm just curious wrecks on your response. Even the possibility of an interview. Well, I think there's there's plenty of room in the NFL for or women in coaching. And all that, obviously, I was the first one that that hired a fulltime assistant woman in Catherine Smith, and thank you very much and she did a fantastic job. So, you know, one thing for sure. If Condoleeza Rice is a head coach, she will be the smartest at. NFL today. She takes a job. The woman can work on peace in the Middle East. Maybe. This never I last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, and you can understand everyone kind of walking around on shells on this one. Because the last thing you wanna do is come off sounding like a jerk talking about Condoleeza Rice talking about a woman in football. But I think we can all comfortably state Condoleeza Rice is in no way shape informed, fit to a head coach in the NFL understand. We live in a time period where the pre recs for certain positions don't seem to apply as much anymore. But that being said, this is a spot where you're right, there are plenty of roles in football, where Condoleeza Rice would be a huge asset Condoleeza Rice working with or around the league office, the Commissioner all things like that are very interesting because those are ones where the skill set certainly runs over Condoleeza Rice did put out a statement on her Facebook page that I love my Browns. And I know they will hire it experience coach to take us in level next level. But on a more serious note, I do hope that the NFL will start to bring women into the coaching profession as position coaches and eventually coordinators and head coach. One doesn't have to play the game to understand it motivate players, but experience counts, and it's time to develop a pool of experience women coaches, by the way, I'm not ready to coach, but I would like to call player to next season at the Browns need ideas and in no time while I call for a prevent defense. So the very least her philosophy because that was I was starting to get into. All right. If we're gonna play this game. Do we think she runs the three four four three? You know what? Her based coverage is heavy blitz package. All the things that we would have to start to consider feel like you've got if you're the Browns lean into this and have Condoleeza Rice absolutely call play at the beginning of last year. We've done it for less than Condoleeza Rice, certainly has the clout to at least pull that off work cited to see that one so bizarre news that we all took into gather on Twitter. And last the podcast first and last podcast hanging out of my head. This idea of coming off the headline from yesterday that Adam Schefter reported the Browns were interested in interviewing Condoleeza Rice to be their next head coach like I can't get rid of this idea in my head of political ad campaigns making their way into the world of the NFL like Todd Haley refused to incorporate elements of baker's Oklahoma spread in their offense. Hugh Jackson wants you to know that he elects to go for it on fourth down in situations where Todd wooden. My name is Hugh Jackson. I approve this message somewhere off in the distance first. And last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, presented by progressive insurance callers. Join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. You tweet the show the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at ESPN radio at goal of junior fifty seven and we have a Twitter endorsement of. Coming up in just a little bit courtesy of one star NFL wide receiver in the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed who's going to let us know exactly where he and his team STAN on this NFL season. But. We had talked about the AFC north something old and something new yesterday being put on display and the something old came in the strangest of slow motion style game winning circumstances. So yesterday, we also talked about the reports that came out before the games kicked off the Jacksonville Jaguars were interested in trailing trading star cornerback Jalen Ramsey, which they came out released a statement and denied, but certainly have been something that made its way back to Jalen Ramsey and away that certainly got a reaction from him in a game. Where for the most part the Jacksonville Jaguars actually managed to control play. They limited a very potent Steelers offense for the vast majority of the day. Jalen Ramsey himself. Had a hell of a game. He limited Antonio Brown to just four catches for thirty nine yards. When he was the primary cover guy he had two interceptions on passes that were throw dantonio Brown. It was the first multi interception game of Jalen Ramsey's career. Which is surprising, given the nature of that cornerback and how good we know he is. But we still heard those reports and he even said after I didn't use it as motivation. It is what it is. I don't control that all I control what I put out there on the field when the offseason comes. We'll have to have conversation have either that or I'm going to get a contract extension or something something is going to happen. But for him it continues to be the frustration of losing games. Mounting up. Moser? Was relieved. I don't have any bad as hard as you. Guys me too much going to have a bad day. Daughter. I go home to make everything better for. Just trying to get the perspective of. Good. I last year on ESPN radio and the ESPN app unusual shot of perspective from Jalen Ramsey whose guy we heard pretty confidently talking before the season almost any media outlet that will listen about the quarterbacks around the league and his thoughts on them, and we appreciated that sort of candor and that made me appreciate Ben Rothlisberger in the post game yesterday for the Steelers to Ben Rothlisberger engineered a game winning drive that culminated in a slow motion. Ben Rothlisberger almost speed option. Ask touchdown. It was the play that we've seen in vogue all throughout the NFL season. This sort of option, look, we've got a running back out as the pitch, man. And then underneath you've usually got some tight end dragging on a power set that the quarterback can pitch it underneath to well both of those options were taken away. And all that was left was for Ben Rothlisberger to slow motion amble into the. The end zone. Touchdown. That felt like it took forever in a review that was as close as you could possibly get and something that the quarterback narrated us through after the game. I don't know. What option I am on that. But it's way down the list, they took away the other ones, and it's kind of those things where just competitive this the denzel's seems like it's right there. You know, you have a time out of that help. So you can take a gambler chance. And then when you see you just find a way to stretch it out figuring out the Steelers place in the AFC right now is interesting because that was a game where they were largely on unimpressive and ineffective throughout the majority of the day. Obviously 'Antonio Brown put up some big numbers against corners, not named Jalen Ramsey. But as we slot teams like the Steelers and for a lot of people the Texans coming off their win streak. I got something to say about the colts in a little bit here because that looks like the best team in the AFC south right now. But you've got them. You've got the patriots. You've got the chargers who suffered a may. Major setback yesterday in division game against the Broncos. And you've got the Steelers doing enough in this situation to come out and get the win. But my favorite part about these dealers that outside of Mike Tomlin who's gonna stand up. And usually give you the stock answer something good something clean, something prepared in the bottom line is businesses winning and we took care of business style points, quite ugly. But we gotta job done. You know, you just grow when you face diversity like this and hostile environment, and you're not playing grading. If I am ways to get it done. And so from that standpoint, you know, really excited, obviously, we got some lessons to learn that potentially could be duplicated you gotta tip your cap to that group, particularly defenseman miss of great, Mike Tomlin, one of the best quotes in football for a team that he's absolutely right. There is benefit. There is value to find a way to win in this situation a day where the Jags defense finally looked like itself in a year where now they're completely out of it. They are back to capsizing and all of it can't help but feel centered around. Quarterback. And Blake Bortles that is never going to go out there and offer you any sort of relief from what you're suffering through. Your defense is having an off day, even as the strength of your team occasionally having someone who can throw you. A lifeline seems helpful Jacksonville. Does not have that they're going to have to address that. But man after hearing all that talk from Jalen Ramsey, and the Ossete is nights to see that energy match by someone on the other side Steelers quarterback, Ben Rothlisberger trash talk that you hear out there. They're really good defense. Like, I said they like to talk a lot of before the game during the game. But I'm carrying two Gable person last here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, if you're hosting the thanksgiving gathering, no small aqap. It's no small accomplishment show them. Just how much you appreciate all the hard work. With twenty four multicolored roses for twenty four dollars for one hundred flowers to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. So we had something old in the AFC north certainly the established power there. But we also had something new. I thought it was worth note. We finally got a look because of. Hip injury. Joe flacco at Baltimore Ravens rookie quarterback. Lamar Jackson who got his first start in the NFL the last of the rookie quarterbacks to start this season. The five first round rookie quarterback's that we had and the mar- Jackson after the game just talking about how he envisioned the day going. I didn't visit a game being close. Not. But you know, whatever to win. How did you just didn't want the game to come down on the field rather than going on in the game? Not not now. Lamar Jackson ended the game thirteen of nineteen for one hundred and fifty yards. No touchdowns. One interception. Who sacked a couple times? Also, a casual hundred seventeen yards rushing that was very clearly the plan from the opening drive on was to get him involved in some of those read option looks that had been involved in the packages. He wasn't all year, and that plan I think was the right one especially going into this game because he had had an interesting role an interesting place on this team that was going to affect his development for a lot of this year when you're used as the gadget play guy when they build these packages for you to come in a similar to what we've seen from tastes hill. But with a lot more weight on the future Tatum hill, the New Orleans Saints backup quarterback who comes in. Does a lot of the read option? Packages. But isn't the guy that's necessarily lined up to be their quarterback of the future the same way? Lamar Jackson is when you've got that as a focus where every week Lamar Jackson. I'm sure trying to come in do the best version of the job. He can in that regard. It's best to start that as the foundation in an area where he's special we talked about this with Mitchell Trubisky when your special even if it's on the ground in a way that quarterbacks we say all the time. You know, you've got to be able to throw from the pocket if you're gonna win in this NFL. Yeah. Well, as we've seen from offense of coordinators now, you also embrace the gifts of what your players do best. And you try and maximize those as best you can in a way that's not gonna compromise them safety wise on the mar Jackson is fast enough athletic enough. And just good enough at running this version of the offense to not necessarily put himself in harm's way. Now, do I wanna see him major in that every game? No. But if you're going to build the foundation of his NFL career for guy who did a lot of things really well in a complex Bobby between offense while he. At louisville. This is a good place to start and you get to start it from a win. You get to correct all these mistakes from a twenty four twenty one win if you're Lamar Jackson, and if you're John Harbaugh, and that's something you can't take for granted. Eight seven to nine three seven seven six you want to weigh in on what you saw from Lamar Jackson or any other performances yesterday in the NFL. And last the podcast he'll to make sense of a lot yesterday man that the Condoleeza Rice headline really threw me off for the rest of the day. I kind of was questioning a lot of things that put you in conspiracy theory mode, pretty quick for anyone who missed it. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Browns were interested in interviewing Condoleeza Rice, former secretary of state as a head coaching candidate. Which Condoleeza Rice came out said wasn't true. The Browns GM John doors came out and said wasn't true. And we all booth passed pretty quickly, but still put you on edge the door to the Brown. Trying to pull over me. What's happening? How am I supposed to make sense of this very confusing world? And then I was handed the strange ball of clay that is the NFC east and life didn't get any simpler, because quite frankly, trying to make sense of what is the times been one of the most appointing divisions and football has now become one of the more complicated divisions in football down the stretch of the season after yesterday, you got the defending Super Bowl champs getting absolutely throttled by the New Orleans Saints and you want to talk about an endorsement I tweeted yesterday in the one hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. The saints are here to hurt feelings. Late in the game going for it on fourth down a pass to Alvin Kamara that goes for a touchdown against none other than former New Orleans eight Malcolm Jenkins who decided to one finger salute his former head coach in Sean Payton, and all the goodness that comes along with that. But the undoing of the Philadelphia Eagles on the prime the big stage yesterday down in the by was jarring the defending Super Bowl champions, look like a show themselves. They are an incredibly injured team. And that didn't get any better yesterday trying to go. She ate a lot of that. And I saw getting pointed out on Twitter a lot of people were saying that the performance of last year's team in the face of injuries to their star linebacker injuries to their future hall of fame left tackle, Jason Peters. And all these things were stuff that they were able to overcome Dan Orlovsky, one of our ESPN NFL analyst accurately pointed out that is the exception. Not the rule in the way that they were experiencing loss and injury this year. That is more the rule that is more that you're used to for Carson Wentz. It was devastating. I mean, it was a culmination of a lot of things today. You know, I play a lot of games my career ever since I was kid, and this is one of the worst losses. There have been a part of. Yes frustrating. It's frustrating all around festively defensively, especially teams, we just got beat things have. We gotta be better with me, especially offense to get that thing going earlier and early and often talk about all the time we've been able to get fixed. So it was definitely frustrating today. But at the end of the day, we're gonna get outta here where in his film, and we're going to go play couple NFC Sapone, it's here and sewer. I last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN, and that's just it. We've got a lot of infighting still to go in this division in division where we just talk and said all these things about the Philadelphia Eagles right now. They're sitting there at four and six in the division leading Washington Redskins are sitting there six and four. Two games that separate these teams. The Cowboys are at five and five, and it's all made more complicated. Now, by the fact that Alex Smith yesterday, unfortunately in moment, this is one of those. I'm glad I missed in real time. And don't have to see now, but broke his leg. Thirty three years to the day after Joe theismann did it in the same scenario. Joe is been tweeting about it yesterday at the same time. That injury looked and felt very similar especially having happened on the exact same day. And it was. Tough to tough to see Jay Gruden Washington's head coach talking about that moment. But injuries, obviously, Alex Smith. You broke his tibia fibia and fracture. You'll need surgery right away. And you can just hear it was it was deflating. Obviously this team talked about Colt McCoy stepping up statement he made to the team after about taking over. But it invites a lot more questions about what's going to happen within this division, especially now because Cowboys go out and get a field goal. Win over Atlanta yesterday. Cowboys have finally figured out giving Zeke Elliot the ball's probably a good idea. In all of this. Now, I don't know what to do. They looked like the Cowboys do probably the best team in this division at this point, which isn't saying much. We're not the Washington has been decimated by injury before this. Now throwing the quarterback on top of the heap of guys on the offense of line on the defensive side of the ball that have been her. When you've got as many division games coming up. Like, we're getting ready to watch Washington. Dallas play on thanksgiving coming up this week in a game. That is going to have major implications on someone has to get to the playoffs out of this division. We've talked about how good the NFC is from top to bottom. The playoff teams that litter this conference and some of them seem like they've fallen off the bottom line is you win the division. You're going to get in and the Dallas Cowboys have a very real shot. Now coming down the stretch with division games that they're going to have. On their schedule. Dak Prescott the Cowboys quarterback talking about the way this team has battled throughout the course of the season. Our guest the wall on they're still against the wall. And just the fact this shows the character of this team of just of a swinging and fighting and coming out and the ups and downs in this game versity success the way we just played through it and stay together as a team and able to go down there. Make that game when Phil going credit. Brit miss one earlier in the game in the comeback shows a character right there just within him. And then make that game when Phil goal when when it matter huge versa last year on ESPN radio Amazon's black Friday sales on now with deals on every department low prices and free shipping on millions of items. Shop now on Amazon. Thirty three years to the day for Alex Smith. I still can't get over that. Because now. You watch Zeke Elliot on the other side. Two hundred one scrimmage yards to lead the Cowboys yesterday. He has four career games at least two hundred yards tying Emmett Smith and DeMarco Murray for most such games in Cowboys history. The wind was also the first time this season Dallas won back to back games. So we've talked about this in people are going to bring up the idea that a recommitment to the run is behind all this. It's a recommitment to getting the right people the ball in your offense. I guess that you brought Amari Cooper over. And there's going to be an emphasis on trying to feature him. And rightly so because he's talented the emphasis on giving Zeke Elliot the ball in more situations in screen situations using him as part of the passing game. We're seeing more of those Texas routes from him out of the backfield and giving him the ball and the traditional ground game as well hugging the side of the offensive line. That's not hurt in Zack Martin and low Collins and running behind them all of these are worthwhile, bits of advice and strategy that aren't diff. To see. But the Cowboys have finally figured out. So you're going to get praised. But let's just make sure it's framed the right way, you're giving the right guy the ball. I don't care how you're doing. It. This is a team that certainly built to be a run first team. And so you have to go with the way that you've constructed this team. Now, I don't think it's constructed in a way that's got a lot of top end capability, especially when you look at what offenses like the saints in the Rams are doing in the same conference. But it's a least taking you in the right direction. If you're the Cowboys in one more at this point, I would probably be confident in saying after all the talk this season the eagles for a looked like they might surge in the right direction Washington for a while look like they'd be talented enough to hang around and all this. We had to wave goodbye to the giants awhile ago. And all this giants you've just continue to subvert their own case for high draft pick at this point by going saquon Barkley special. We knew that we didn't need another performance. Like, we got yesterday in order to appreciate what saquon Barkley was able to do for you. But against the buccaneers team who has got some inexplicable decision making of their own to answer for saquon one out perform really well. Maybe gave you. Some of those uglier just grinded up the middle runs that people have been looking for out of him and his young career. It is really now boiling down to Washington in Dallas. I think in my mind in a way that definitely favors Dallas at this point. They are in the most important areas, and at this point now the least injured lately like, yeah. Connor Williams and some guys you have to answer to but so many of Dallas's key injuries came early on in the season. And now you've had time to adjust and become who you are. And who you are as a team with a very fast and athlete defense and an offense. That's finally remembered who deserves to be majoring in touches. First and last podcast, first and last podcast. I got a tweet that sums it all up the dapper tweets and Condoleeza Rice on a list of the Brown. Head coach Seve Naismith getting son by the goal and Ryan Reynolds playing detective Pika chew all in the same month. What a time to be alive. What time to be awake at five o'clock in the morning? It's first and last Michael junior here on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, we're presented by progressive insurance callers. Join us on the show Pennzoil performance line. And that number is eight seven to nine three seven seven six. You can tweet the show the one hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. Just like Pat, the dapper at ESPN radio and goal of junior fifty seven and it was that kind of weekend is that kind of time right now, expect rampant gloating this morning over on golick and wingo. The Syracuse universe must bow to us. Finally, bend the knee after their performance Yankee Stadium this weekend. The goal going go show staff took a trip to go watch Notre Dame dismantle Syracuse. On that big stage moved to eleven oh. Very confident saying. Notre Dame is eighteen that is going to be. I think at this point in eight and a half point favorite and southern California. When they go to face a US team that is on the ropes at this point that has nothing to play for but trying to spoil Notre Dame season than I don't think there's anything they can do about. What Notre Dame is going to offer them coming up here. Very shortly. A lot to get into in the world of college football where for the first time in a couple of weeks. We're going to have games that have some real weight, certainly West Virginia losing to Oklahoma state this last weekend is noteworthy for a few reasons. UCF getting a win in prime time that I have to eat a little bit of crow for but they're also getting a little bit too bold and a big favourite in the big game. All that and more right now, it's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones, best networks, no contracts because in the NFL yesterday there were eight games decided by a field goal or less. There were a few more one score games thrown into that. And then there were the colts and the saints the colts and the saints the saints who dismantled the defending Super Bowl champion. Philadelphia Eagles in a way that was wholly uncomfortable to watch towards the end especially for. Former Satan eagles defensive back Malcolm Jenkins who was the victim of an album Kamara touchdown late in the game on a fourth down where the saints elected to go for it and the spot that some people thought was a bit disagreeable. And that earned him a one finger salute from Malcolm Jenkins to his former head coach John Hayden came out after the game. Instead, it's all I know Sean as well as anyone he's going to go for it. And that's just it. That's who this team is the saints team who is going to go for the jugular at any point in time. Sean Payton reflecting on. What is now they're ninth straight victory. Well, listen, you are what your record is. So I didn't I didn't say we weren't pretty good just nine in one right now. And we've got a lot of season left. So I'm not downplaying what we've done, you know. And so those guys are in there playing music loud. And you want me to smile, I'll small more. Smile for me Honey, first and last year on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. This team is not only good. They're good. And they wanna wear you out. Like, this is a group that feels like they're kind of ticked off about the way that last season unfold they went into last year's playoffs is arguably the best team in the NFC the most complete team in the NFC, adding Alvin Kamara as a rookie landing Lattimore on the other side of defensive back being bullied by an unbelievable draft class that now is another year of experience that seems to be paying off for them in a big way, they look comfortable, and they've got that edge to them tweeted yesterday, the saints are out here to embarrass you. And we were talking about Condoleeza Rice potentially interviewing to be the Browns head coach political endorsements in the world of sports. Well, Michael Thomas wide receiver for the New Orleans Saints when head hit re tweet on your boy, we tweets are endorsements. And so the saints are officially here to hurt your feelings, and they are unapologetic about it. And they were a team that can do it in so many different ways. But seeing this kind of. Performance from drew Brees isn't surprising anymore. The saints offense. Drew Brees who yesterday went nine of twelve hundred twenty one yards in two touchdowns on tight window. Throws NFL next gen stats calls a tight window throw one or fewer yards of separation. That's three more completions than any other quarterback has had to gain this season and three more than breezes had any game over the last three seasons. So drew Brees being deadly accurate has become the overwhelming norm for a long time. We understand that. So this result while it's impressive because Philadelphia continues to be them capsizing under the weight of last year Super Bowl and New Orleans showing everyone we believe we are unequivocally the best team in the NFL as we get ready to watch to that might have say saying that tonight in the Rams and the chiefs. No, the one that jumped off the page to me. Was the Indianapolis Colts yesterday. The indianap- was cold to thirty eight ten win over a titans team that people were starting to talk about favorably the job that Mike variable has done there. Marcus mariota in this team. Matt leflore their offense coordinator, all these names starting to go in the right direction. And yet it's the colts and Andrew luck. That jump off the page yesterday. Andrew starting to do that thing. Again, Andrew starting to do the thing where he looks like he could be one of the five best quarterbacks and football again. But he's doing it so much differently. Andrew luck is now taking care of the football. And more importantly being taken care of this colts offensive line is a problem like they are not just protecting Andrew luck. He is being given space the likes of which I don't know if he's ever dreamed of before a colts team that is built on a rushing attack where they have got bullies up front the identity. We talked about the. Clinton Nelson pick a lot. He may have been the most disgust offense guard I've seen in. I don't know how long coming out of the NFL draft this year, the identity of these he is helping forge with this team and Ryan Kelly their center one of my favorites centers in the last few years out of Alabama exited yesterday with a knee injury. He'll get an MRI today. So you hope that's nothing serious because what they had started to build identity. Wise up front cannot be ignored. They are protecting. I think it's five or six straight games something like that. Now without a sack. For Andrew luck. I mean, this is stuff that always talked about in the past. Andrew luck is not going to be able to survive the kind of punishment. Now, he's standing back there. And you look on some of these play action looks and there is eight or nine yards between Andrew luck and the nearest defender. Andrew luck. Who yesterday when you are to the one real weapon they've got in this offense t y Hilton block was nine of nine for one hundred fifty five yards in two touchdowns targeting TY, home, they identified Dory. Jackson is a mismatch like a Dory. Jackson the cornerback for the titans was getting picked on all day second or third year guy out of southern California track star was getting boat. Raced by him. They were going deep five completions of ten or more air yards on Sunday for one hundred twenty two yards in two touchdowns. Look didn't complete a Passover ten area arts to any other player. And this offense has lived around Eric E Braun. And of course, jacked oil in that intermediate passing. They do a lot with big people in that offense. And when you go back and look at the teams that have been successful offense over the last few seasons. Their teams that use their big skill personnel. Well, they're tight ends there. Fullbacks in some situations. They're running backs and the colts are doing that right now with MAC and Hines and some of these guys in backfield, but the doing it on defense to and that was what was overwhelming this game was for the pressure that wasn't unluck on the offense of side. The pressure being applied by your ball sheared and some of these guys out woods on defense. And on the defensive line for the colts was jarring. It was it was not what was expected. We know. Darius Leonard has been a great. For them. Unbelievable. Rookie linebacker, but the Colt de line put a lot of four pressure on the titans in a way that was shocking, and if that's the trend going forward like man the colts are going to add a legitimate number two receiver to this offense and be a full on problem next year. And they might still be this year this team that when they face the Texans again think they lost by three points in the first meeting. They looked better than the Texans right now Andrew lucked looks like himself for the first time in a while Andrew luck who anytime he speaks. We listen spoke yesterday. So we listen the mood in the building vibe every day when you walk in winter loses as positive it's all about getting better and Frank stresses the process, right? Everybody's goal is to win each team's goals to one going, but got folks on the process. What what are you doing every single play every single week today better? So yes, it's nice that the results are positive for us, certainly. But I wouldn't say I'm having more fun percents. Just joining a Greg Rupa guys. Kripa coaches, great building saying to having more fun. I have fun with oil just always more fun. Always look for the ball. Jack doyle. Mentions Frank Reich, though, that's the guy we're not giving nearly enough credit. Because the rest of these teams that are using offense in ways that we have not seen in a while. When you think the saints the chiefs, the Rams even the bears that we saw last night and Sunday night football. They're all doing it with a far more loaded deck the colts are, but that's not stopping them from trying to use all these guys in creative ways. Eric brown. Threw a pass yesterday to Andrew luck. Like that's just the tip of the iceberg for the way that they're using a lot of the same ways motion horizontal action to try and free guys up down the field creating mismatches with personnel using tempo. Using play action in a way, that's been benefiting Ville we in the last four or five years in a major way Frank Reich is doing all of this in a way that is gone under credited because now they're just getting to the point at five wins where we're going to start to take them seriously in the AFC south down the stretch of the season. But this feels like a team that is not all the way out of this yet. And that is a tariff. Buying thought as we really think they're still a year away from being as good as Andrew let him be again in this league. Thank you for listening to the first and last podcast. You can listen in subscribe to all ESPN podcast in the listen tab of the ESPN app. First and last.

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Women in Warhammer

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Women in Warhammer

"Can I find this? Welcome to the channel names Anthony. I am the coach. And I'm he not with Dan on the seat. Bob Very exciting and important topic today is International. Women's died if you are watching us here on Sunday the eighth of March and I'm joined here by three amazing panelists and regulatory old things what women in warmer in women are. It's women and I will have tonight. He's a global celebration all the achievements for women in In all of the communities. You know you know. Very thankful for people like my mother. My wife the people who just generally put up with rubbish and the episode. Today is very much around. You know talking about the wonderful women in our community. It's about the opportunity to listen and learn reflect on the amazing experiences but also to hear from outguessed around potentially any actions to put into place to ensure that we encouraged to The community men women and children so Episode really is about putting a spotlight on these wonderful people in our community. Not all the game is Some of them were painters. Some hobbies some of them are just people who love their low The hubby brings in all people from community and I'd like to introduce all three the before we get into the main topic. So the first person are you may have seen them on this channel at his Gemma. Gemma is an Australian competitive wool. Gema she is the one the main voices on on the field charged with you. Listen to them on podcast where he listen to them on twitch with you listen to them on your only the honest war game or when they're streaming came on She has a master's level. Play out Anderson all-round also humans. Jim Hulo Iheart by introduction was okay. It's fine it's fine. I'm just regular Jari enjoying the shy hiding to give some good insight. So now pompous Wa and then we weren't. We weren't talking about him. We weren't saw him mighties time he can wipe it is important. Lean sessional mainstays worlds. If you like why we might get a spotlight will actually may was well. Just chill yes. It's not just one sided just relaxed the second guest on introduces coming straight out of the muck it is Christine. Christine had been playing for some time. She reckon she's a rookie audience. Thinks she's rookie. 'cause she's played in some of the wells lodged event. She's played at eight one in Nottingham. She's played at Oboe or bravery British. I've been And she is a lot of a all things are ex Although you should be a sweet person but you feeling okay sign now I stay and lie. It's always team destruction no matter what but unfortunately on this wonderful day. I'm actually building an Elf's I apologies are apologies. I'm betraying my brother. This is for this Looked a cane and I think it's only fair being as female model this well cy fair although I'm sure I lady could Rana more crusher I recall so yeah I love my skull crusher the always GonNa be good to have you The farthest is Emma coming from another strategy and guests reveal location. Ninety-nine actually could you are at Ustralian from the distributor. The the one that we get about but might my employees currently he's basting side of the world so confident about Earth Issued a stray early and she is also a wool hammer. Here are we just pretty awesome You're anointed lost each nineteen. That's pretty amazing You are a monster when it comes alternative events you run some of the Australia's biggest events and Very well known on the West Coast Stralia in that community so Hello and anything you WANNA say introduce yourself this. Thanks for having me here yeah. It's fantastic to be here with. Obviously the women's speaking on International Women's Day really appreciate the opportunity to speak about women in Wilhem excited to have you all. I realize all these amazing episode that marked on ninety seven the talking already so good. Start for my wife my show. It'd be like that. The show is very much about the winning. I'M GONNA ask a series of questions that people have asked me on facebook or twitter If you are in the chat feel free to ask questions and depending on on again the toxic questions will introduce heartfully through the show that today's very much celebration exploration and ultimately understanding. What brings these wonderful women to act community at? What what we can do more to encourage more and you know. I've had a lot of people who've sits me. I've loved my friends my pot in my loved one to get into the hobby. Whether it's debate with they went being with our black to have gang week them or generally. I dislike to see more women at twenty minutes. Saying this is an opportunity to learn from three very experienced people so I'd like to sit at benchmark as well and This is my personal experience in my preference. I don't know if my guests agree but I think overall the will have a community agency community has been quite open and accepting and welcoming to men women and children I haven't seen a lot of `gate-keeping generally stopping people from entering the hobby that I recognize as well. That miniature gaming painting is not for everyone. It's a it's a very niche to bring certain type of person gaining table. I drove certain peoples. Not everyone's apart punit that that's my experience but I wanNA learn from Gemma Christine. Emma and maybe maybe I don't know really accepted in the K. It's been hugely accepted anytime onto tournament. They're like well. He won for key example. I was the only female competitor that and that was incredibly brilliant to say it really was. I was just at that guy okay. There's one of us. Oh this is interesting uncommon. Great early in the world have apparently the best facility is on this planet but I like it on Levin Batman's have been wilhelma world. It's just an incredible place to be anytime that any pass from anywhere around the globe. F- against a they sit there and guy so this is like the motherland this is the Mecca of Wilhelma. Is and I. I went now okay. There's no going back from this. Is that the snow back sees. It does make me jealous when I say people on twitter. Let Foreigners Casual Gable. We'll have a wealthiest Friday. I went for Valentine's Day and it was it was it was an echo in our you. Then we will have on. My husband faced his friend and had legions agree. I the Sylvan F. And then I had a game against also burn repairs. Later in the day against uncle giants. Who CURRENTLY RUN SARAH? Foam was like. Wow this is a learning curve for me. Assert bone reap as I was getting to. How do I beat these guys? Let's just do the Andres way push fold smash tended to our but it was just it was. That was an echo in that rough. Never seen it like it might start off the conversation just asked what actually got you in the hobby. How did you all start in An Giang? Who's amazing dogs? Barking like freedom onstream. I'm sorry I'm sorry I have. Seven Dogs Scindia. Seven seven dogs lots of animals donkey. Three cats forty horses. Yeah and says do their things animals. Jim How did I come into this hobby to be honest? Michael actually got me into this hubby. When we very first started our relationship I was in year. Eleven at school. That's going back to long to think about and Basically to be honest it was little start a relationship. I didn't like it. I mean as in like I didn't like Michael. You know when I I you know when you first meet someone and you're like oh he's he's a bit of a Dick and they fall in love with them and the rest of the history so they say it's just a stereotype of a relationship right there and to be honest the same thing as a call mock applies it. I'll play it. Oh it's not really something that I like. But because he does it all do it and we sort of drifted off fantasy. They're for walkers loft gets in Hawaii and we got jobs and salutes drifted off. It and the scene wasn't as big as what it is now and then We got into Iowa and we both just jump straight on that bandwagon and just from there. We have just been playing games every week. I love painting I'm not very good at converting but I'm trying to get better at that and Yeah I love it. It's great. That's also that's that's very cool story So Yourself Emma. How'd you get into all things? Warmer mine is the complete opposite to Gemma. So my my husband's Michel Oh Mark Twain together four twenty one years now and he was very definite that at the start. This was his hobby and he wanted this to be his hobby and didn't want me anywhere near it at all. Now look at it. Took fifteen years of him being really adamant that this was he's space and I had no. You should read that so you know hey wanted and we were just talking about it yesterday. And he was telling the kids all. It's because I thought would make me stop playing. Yeah he just didn't want me any space but that's okay and then like you signed Jemma. There was a real lull in the community here as well and sorry I was like well put your money. Where your mouth is? If you want to say a community we need to do something about it Hey plays we'll hammer idea community. We've smashed them together and now for someone who was having nothing to do with Hammer. I live and breathe it for the last five years of my life and it's amazing because remember saying Michael for the first time on Youtube. Finally enough I think there was some. Atc OH I T C tournaments back in May to make me to thousands and An obstacle the ball game and then all of a sudden as you to in objectives acuity dislike Gaza. Just amazing running. I think we're saying of stray. My twelve of NC here Pretty remarkable yeah. It's eight quite well when we first started. It seemed that seemed like a lot but now sort of used to it. We've been doing it for five years. You've got a ride trip coming up this weekend and you know it's just it's just what we do so yeah it's good to your skin can do including Jimmy This weekend a showroom. Yeah so he could be. Are you traveling with your partner as well so you also yeah? I wish I could fly but later up to love our. That'd be amazing. That's because you've never been to Adelaide callous in Brisbane. I figured aw. How did you get into the Hobie? Finally actually been playing competitively since May last year when I go all Spotty Jones scrivener from the game. How'd you feel about going to buy? Yes screw it why not. I've only had three games of IOS two of which one CAIN Games one of which was a one was one of which was a T. K. Game I was like okay. Let's see how this goes and Mosman had some rx left over from when he did. I enjoy so we literally just borrowed as much as we just chucked altogether and as I have been a model honest wargame Afr- about three or four months at that point expressed an interest in doors a cane one of my closest friends Allen. He runs doors. Okay newest aside don't do it. Don't do about idea. Sounds like I'm GONNA screw it. Why not and then we'll map bye-bye it was just an absolute laugh. We all just had such fun house. I don't think there's any going back from this. I think I'm going to go all in with on Joel's as it was at the time. Now are cool climates and then they got their general handbook rules. And I'll just it just barrel roll from my husband into Ios for bouts. He go into about eighteen months. After it was released. A Jet Arthur community PA. He was into it from day. One and my husband was. I've been in four K. As long as ignite and we've been together fourteen years this yes. I and my brother was playing four K. From when I was about crikey about fifteen side. That's that's guy caught while as well and he paid tyrannies house. I really liked for KS. Feels BITTU competitive yet? They Os community seemed a lot more welcoming. When I've been on the honest wargame chat. I thought yeah why not. Let's give this guy and I have not looked back since of no look back and I'm so glad for for going for it so some yes and obviously I can only speak on behalf of the agency where we all at. Emma comes in as well from the forty K. side. I think generally this discussion is not just agency related. Obviously that's the expertise that a lot of US bridge. The Table Bit near Forty K. Sister Assistant game so I don't think that blocked me calling this game sale. The angry comments that you had different experiences and different pathways into the hobby because Some of the comments that are received in preparation for this video was how do I get my pot into these hobby? I really enjoy painting. I want to go out and play often whether it's for a doubles team or want to get into the heavy for whatever reason and it will like how I stopped that compensation. How do I get into gaming so first of all three of you have very different pathways and especially immoral? Who got told the coming. This is my space ole for such a long but that's also so what what. What are your favorite parts of of the Is it painting is playing is like what's what are you guys love about the holy for me. I like building a love painting but it's not getting on the table. Top seem what? Your army thousand gain. You know somebody. Let's let's see what these boys do and they just chuck and forward with especially with our in Georgia knowing just chuck and Ford smashing bashing hit through effort. Then I'm just looking at it Gyn. I'm Kinda hoping not the case of doors a cane as well but a little bit nervous but the painting is hundred percent Mark Thing. It is another give a for me. Is the people so we really just about the Iran coming together and that showed experience and something that you said earlier. Was that We'll gang attracts a certain type of person and out of everything that you said. That's probably the thing that I would disagree with moist. I actually don't think it does attract a certain type of person. I can't stereotype the tops of people who come to any of our events And that's what I love and I love that. Even though he eats gaming that brings people together. It's not gaming the Cape's together and I love how generous everybody used their time and Everything I've got to give sorry. I I find that gaming does actually bring out the best in a lot of people And I think that for some of the men who come along to the events they without even realizing it. They're becoming really great role models for some of the younger guys who've had starting to have positive role models in their lives and And the way they interact with maize is really good role model for those younger people and actually some of the people as well. But you know sorry. I really think it's the people that yeah that sense of community that comes with that as well. Yeah I I definitely agree with V lovely ladies as well but I love the community so again I just I love how accepting it is. I love that. There's all types of of people that apply it and it's just a common a common thing that everyone has that they they come to a place and they can relax and they know that they're in a safe environment so again with certain people it does feel like a safe environment for them. And I'm sorry sorry. Happy That it they are community portrays like it gives off like some way that people can go. You know they get excited. I just put this model today. And they go on show their friends come to the shopping. They they sit down and have a chat about it and they took their going to paint it and all about converted all. Let's have a game and see how she goes or you know I. I have a passion for all that like I. Just think that the community is such tau full powerful thing and it. It provides people confidence you can see. People grow Especially the longer that you've been in the community and I wanNA reflect that on the community is also the passion that I get. It's like you know when you watch some anime and you see some of those guys. They can absorb power and they take it in. They can project it. Thank you Christine. I was just watching seven. I was just watching seven deadly sins. Yeah Yeah we will talk time actually set congress as the other day with the super sign on the side and the dragon on the other side. Yeah Anyway let's go back to watch women I'm signing up right now I just. I just feel like people. The communities should be thanked for that and I really want to involve the community and be part of the community as much as I can You know where where involved in charity events because I just think that you guys provide so much happiness for so many people so why not keep that ball rolling and trying to as many events and just keep people happy like not as it's a chore but People Love? It you know you go there and I do feel comfortable. And there's all walks of life and jobs and people. There is nice stereotype. You Know I. I really can't stand that when someone is like. Oh what do you play? We'll have all your in nerd and you're like Not really it's just a common thing that the whole bunch of people come together because they like it and Yeah I just really want to get involved in. It now definitely agree when it comes to older from Wolf's alive in the UK we've got all sorts of people then the Ikeda Play Wall Hammer. And then when you say Oh yeah I play war hammer a lot on this. Sit there and go. Oh my partners into that. Oh Yeah Oh we'll all meet. That played instantly. Go straight into. Ask them about that. Nasa London. I well how. `Bout also them. You know getting won't see that's cool too but I the women who work at war hammer world. They are absolute rockstars like they. Just there's no way that you can look at them and go over there. Stereotypical Gay Count. May know that. Yeah amazing another. Golf's it's cool. Yeah that's it honestly I will carry over to the guy that's cool. That's cool cool. Cool Gal I know you're one hundred percent right and clarify my original point. Which was not every Shane people? I'd like eastern fees and like people are GonNa stay none of your one hundred percent correct. No you've got introverted extroverted. People you've got people. Who are you know are older that you've got people you know we've got amazing girl and actually? Nicole Bethune are I think training fourteen this year And she's been coming to tournaments now for two years. She started as a twelve year ago. Coming to twelve on On the flip side. We've got people who are project. Managers are daughter analysts because sales people. We've got you know the the the crazy you're one hundred percent correct that we have all all different walks of life all religion politics the one thing that brings us all together is Wall Hammer. We we spend our time building little little plastic toys. We paint those little toys. Wade play within enrolled is and to Gemma's point. You know you spend you know things. Like can't con- oh by each thing literally a weekend nonstop you know. Sometimes you share hotel with these people and for two days or three way three days you just in the fact that everyone stray off that interval you not like I need to diesel for a couple of months from the state was to play with him again. Yeah yeah it it. It makes you you know with the community in. Timber. We have quite a large community. Here were very lucky and you know now we have hobby. Weekends are just had tonight. Ten people come to the shop from Brisbane had people from Toowoomba as well at US down the range. Ten people just on Sunday to have some casual games We also talk about Hobie. We are flick each other links. Oh that sort of thing we. We do that At our house on certain weekends. Let's we're going to do some terrain so we want to build some tables so everyone brings us staff and then we'll put a barbecue on like all the social aspect to it as well is just amazing. It's not just about being competitive. It's just the whole package is amazing. Yeah we have one of our friends around a little while back slot last weekend because it was Russell Arrest Lynn show was onto does not taste. Come round we'll get some pizzas now. I'll get some food in to sit down and just chat a we have. One of our friends is not in the Wall Hammer. Community that one of my husband's places mates and he was just sitting there listening to them listening to how passionate we will wear about hope and us. Itunes I hear rebuilt Kane have a look at this and he looks I- Mafia in the army. Says I tell me let me just go and get the rest of the books out loud. Go My friend you will picking on me. You like please choose Angeles now. He's looking as the sigma. So it's kind of cool. I'm glad eastbound along that line because that's a mixed bag that is that you can do but the evil racer really good points. Is that what we do on the weekend? And how we spend our time while the table is just one component now. It is just hours or sixteen hours in that weekend. It is everything that we joined the community. The the photos on instagram and facebook or twitter. It's the conversations that we have on why it's the the interactions at table at Emma. You just talking about little bit earlier When he saw up in your plate play. We'll hammer when you initially get involved in your event. That's never a part of the social contract he dug into thinking. That's GonNa Happen. But then I think about Australia. Ou- out biggest event can call a gentleman. Doom darkness who is an awesome youtube sits off these Friday barbecue as well. And we'll come to CAPE COD and have a big barbecue celebration and drinks and chatted catch up with people Just before the events so The social aspect is real and it is a it is just as big if not bigger than actually on the table whether you win whether you lose it is about the social interaction and the friends we make along the way. The discussion hoppy may were discussing about on the way back from the team tournament that he was he's actually a WS wfan weapon skill ten Realm wolves event. His this week hadn't along with one of the other local clubs money and bore acolytes more communists. Nwea don't misconstrue them with the with the wrestling so good people in house thinking. Hey Meg Ryan by scribes. Wfan that all there this weekend and it was fantastic. Just catching up with them. On a witness and incredible game of war hammer between doors came with Allen and Lee K- with his uncle yesterday it came down to a prior dykstra an absolute bottom of charge from donkey. C. P. Rewrote Eight. How to five sixty role that went for twelve? He got straight behind Alan sisters slower and then that was it was just game you just saw all of the Pasha older the height of it was just like why is it a working and it was just. It was just such an incredible game both players Mental Gert and it just witnessing this event and just being able to just see it as a spectator. No actually joining in you still feel. It's incredible eight. I see these people. It's quite Contagious isn't it. Say What Your Observations Emma. I know you know you you Michael Run of this. You run a lot of events and you know in the posture on huge events as a spectator and as as an event organizer like what's your observations of out of the tournament and why people are coming to tournaments But I think one and one of the things that I'm most passionate about tournaments is that I think we live in an age of social media when nobody's actually social anymore so we're all interacting via electronic devices of some sort but it's actually really rare to have a conversation with somebody it read the fine and it's ready to have a conversation in person and so in my life outside of war hammer. I have staff at my work who I'll say or could you just call this person for me and five years. It used to be five years ago. It used to be or can I send an email economy to pick up the phone now. It's can I send a text now? You kind of need you to pick up the phone and the people don't know how to do that anymore because we know actually having any kind of interaction and what I love about this. Is that people who actually have that interaction in a way? That's non-confrontational so you know having to make eye contact and have a meaningful conversation but you still being social and checking hands and obviously not mind because everyone's scared of germs going to pass around but sorry something so I think there's that social aspect that we haven't had and going back for women we talk about. It takes a village. We don't even have a village anymore because we're all so busy being everything to everyone. There's no opportunity for a village and I think tournaments give papal village and with a papal consciously choose that whether they coming because from a superficial perspective I get go. I'm wro Dr us for our. Vince generally run for about twelve hours. Ten hours twelve hours for us So you know Fatana as I get to go and Rodas and play play. Two Thousand Point Games against people who I wouldn't normally play against and that kind of experience but the added benefit of that is that they get to actually have that impersonal interaction as well the extroverts. I think people as you signed before Jim like they kind of take their energy and able to pass that back and we he that by the `was that come out across the whole room went and gray the I'm really well. Oh not so at all but introverts. They don't have to have the conversation that can actually just focus on what those little models during on the table but they still get in that space with paypal and feel some kind of social nayed. But I would say that in a way that suits them as well so I guess that's what I observe general question for everyone. defied that the Interactions Online Like let's say for example. I was put up a picture on twitter or instagram. And it's like this is by model at just painted or I'm currently working on it or illtyd or you know thinking about building a list you know. Whatever whatever hobby post you put online. Do you generally find that equally a positive experience and yet recharge and rejuvenated or excited or like what's that. What's that social piece about? Because for me when I look at other communities and other just instagram and twitter people can get really They feel inferior. Or maybe they're missing out on something or Social Media can be negative at times but like what's the observation from a hobby perspective of of of torment play hobbies and models and painting and all that stuff May Be Christine on twitter and then agenda in off that will are found whenever I've posted anything up online so for example. I echo out this morning. I'm going to be doing like little system. Rathi but with a the name of him off revenue mixture because my doors economy's going slightly tribal. I won't do that. Slight mix are found the outreach. It's just been incredible when I post up about all my updates do with how it was done with my all angels who would just keep going keep going in. That support was incredible. Men A massive deal. It really did. And then while I'm working on this at the moment I'm I'm excited to see how it's GonNa come out and see this model is GonNa look like on the table Top. An account might actually get her into battle as well in so when people interact with that online and they say impersonal. Look while this really cool and is that positive effect that comes from people saying annoying. You just saw people have descended online too impersonal. Where they look at it they actually interact with the motto physically and sit there and look at it look for the little details and that means a lot that does especially as a as a very new player to the system in. I look at it and go not bass a big achievement for me a huge treatment. It's also I remember. Maybe hearing your story and had reached out a couple of times as I keep going also lack. I think generally at least well I see is in generally supportive of people law We're all he'd to get off I'd I think we're any any of us here. In competition way women or children were Rojita support cutting road is this amazing. Hobby Jemma from your social interactions. Because you put yourself at probably more than anyone you know you were. You're a contain creative. With podcast you are a hobbyist. You are playing games. You commentated The Cancun with raw symes loss. She anti she. So you know the world is watching you and your volume of knowledge How have you found that the environment for yourself and your hobby? I have found it to be just overwhelmingly supportive. I think the only is it supportive when you're in person with people and that's one thing I love. I just know that you can also find that same support on social media Naturally there's going to be keyboard worries in every aspect of life You know you do come across a couple of people in this but the support I williams up you know people just you just be growing up in you ignore that and the support that you find on the social media networks the surpasses that you gonNA. You might be putting a fight up and you could people ask for help with colleagues all the time for instance I like. I'm having trouble finding the school. GonNa I WANNA do Ossama. What are you reading? Should I should dry brush the white or edge Harlot and people are more than happy to get on and be like. Oh I've done this or you know I found this works and you find that across the table and I don't think it's ever GonNa Change like I think this is one thing that I love about the community is there is a fee you should. I put that up there. I'll be going to like it. Are they going to be negative? I've never ever felt that ever. I feel completely supported. I feel confidence. I love everyone. That's on the. I'm going to get the help that you know that I once It doesn't matter even on the podcasting without episodes People with feedback. They've always been positive now. Okay about you try this next time like not that. We didn't like that. But maybe throw in that you know there's not negative. Nellie everywhere and it's I find that just amazing you know. It's good to be part of a community where you can just jump in the deepens. And you know you're gonNA drown you gonNA flight in have all these people underneath. Ye. Yeah I think I think generally people have been very supportive. I Dixon his generals word Bimbo literally the other day I had so many comments section of one of my video. Say I'm Anything about agency lifelong gets that makes perfect sense right. Michael Beasley making videos for a couple of years. But you know there are jokes around everywhere but the thing is that I like about the community too. Is We stick together as sound like. Oh One person's going to say that and then everyone's like. Oh yeah you are and then like just completely brand new. Everyone's assaulted gonNA ignore them. Grow up be adults or just mature and just support you no matter what because we know the community and whenever going to just turn toxic if it does hung. GonNa be devastated. Yeah I think it's a wonderful place. It's much different than other communities again. I'm not saying other wargames. Just generally you do he. Social media can be very taught. See again a lot of people who just WANNA fly for the sake of finding on just trying to generate a response that overwhelmingly. I've seen so many offers of people trying to help each other. And one other to grow into thrive. So I think Jim. I love hearing that you will experiencing the same community arm experiencing but again they're optics around there and I apologize for everyone. Who is the one of these people? I think not to remember that the cable warriors are actually in the minority. And it's really easy to focus on those cable warriors and to take it personally whereas you have to go you know what actually it's not made as you and you know. Hide the comment so that kind of stuff rather than taking on board because as you said there are people in the world. He shouldn't be allowed on social media. That's great sort of hot takes may be and I expect some backlashes T- First off I shall come with a softer angle. Alma do we love it. Do we hate it to care? I can't believe you think that this is the soft option. Oh my another question that that that will ease me into that one so I thought this was a this off dorm right or before thinking I love it. Personally Percy how always say is women technically Webby bomber any wacky? Exactly sorry. Sorry boys but it's the truth but it is currently building doors okay. There is lots of Boo Bama. There is a lot of arm. I just call eight seed. I'll just think it's kind of cool really is this I go. I have this at pick them out of Auburn than you see. Women just woke up scantily clad. Just you know something. I can do that job through this and I can do it a call video where as a couple of years ago. It was a little comedy sketch where it was more. It was more dungeons and dragons thing where there was like two guys a girl going to like a dove and forge in our Mexico to battle and now the guy gets like these Plate mail a world that. I didn't like it gets to the woman and a lack. He's The chainmail. Bikini and like Princess Layer but the reason I asked that question bombers I know some people are very passionate like. Wow you know you need to think about like game of thrones that he was is it Rianne you know she she just woke like my old just all metal regardless of gender Some people really love the aesthetic of as a battle with debris bomber in some stole cost models. Have the Obama so the name personally I think Women's bodies this is what they actually look like is a lovely from. Maybe with the call boobs Ed you know like we have oaths. Why do we need to try and hide that? And I think that this idea that we need to get to a point where Female models are covered from the neck down to the ankle. Why you're you've got you've got armies where the male models don't have anything on other than a wolf cloak. So why is he allowed to? Why is that a K and yet we need to cover women up? Are we actually moving to a point where it's not okay for a famous form to be visible? And why not my second point is. Have you ever tried squishing them down? It's actually really painful so you probably haven't but sorry you think. Why would you want to put a plate mail on the front like? That's not the way we're shaped and then the the thing that does actually really bother me is when men come out and argue that women that female models shouldn't have boob armor why. I don't need you to argue that for me. I'm actually if I have a problem with it. I'm actually okay to come out and say this is what I believe in. This is why I believe it. I need you to grandstand for me to make that point. I'm actually really capable of coming out and saying actually as a woman I find that offensive and so. I don't need somebody else to do that for me. Because they feel like I need somebody to to come in and take that charge asked me how I feel and then support that yet. My visit my k. Takings from Avon. I appreciate it Joe. Yeah I was just GonNa say from a hobby point of view as well that's That's one thing you know there is obviously you got. Your Storm. Cost ladies who were virtually covered up. And then you've got. Your daughter is a cane. Who are not so much it up. I think from artists point of view or hobby. Point of view it gives us Like sign much to work with you. Know like if you if you like you know Skin come if you want to work on skin color and you know that it's going to be some shadows around the breasts or anything like that will just you know. Try and Accentuates around that area if you want to Guy For you can do that on the storm cost. They got some Roy hanging on it. It's not as exciting. It's bit boring. You know they going back to the not so the thing not scheme. You can do that as well though you can do. Some try. Some non metallic metal or try some shading in between those ruffles in the click. I think that's one thing that's good with with women's bodies in the is to me personally you can do a lot more hobby-wise with them then just just the dudes so I think for sure you can just leave the women's bodies as Just you know some thoughts came when I have some skinny little bikinis on GonNa kick ass in that because they women and they good at it. Definitely definitely it's an interesting topic and the reason I wanted to call that out is because I think when we come into a game like we'll hammer an and I think more forty k. We want something. We want our army to represent us in some fashion way there as a are midnight. My Old Empire back in the day I tried to paint a character and story. That's had a small representations representations myself you know what I used to play wrestling video games again. I'd make myself in the wrestling game and interact with the wrestling community. I wanted a piece of May and I know for women who have come into me in the pastas. This topic united they looking for representation and I think Jimmy. You made a really interesting point that I think having a diverse sprayed of women just don't have to play to Silverman 'cause they pretty traits in if they WANNA play the doors of Cain with very little to no Alma and they just going with knives just like how can slash in of Cain to the very pretty Armagh obstacle. Cost two sisters of battling the forty K. Well and took to even go and buy a bunch of heads and put them on an on space marines If you're looking for women don't have to play women either you know. And I understand what you're saying around finding that white heavy representation of cell phone the table but we would not limited to only playing with famous armies. So there's nothing to stop his going out and say pint space marines or doesn't have you know the fact that the models got boobs isn't what why we have to pick them and I think probably with the idea of we WANNA play an army because it looks cool. Yeah I like Mattison Joe's exactly regardless of what the army looks like. I love playing on Joe's because I'm by definition a little bit more boisterous of a pass and an orange I feel represents that personality side of that yet doors a cane. I love the look of them. I think they look beautiful on the table. Talk Regardless of Carlos Game I will ever people wanNA paint them is C. N. stupid look angry. You know summit. That's still looks incredible. They still about just it finding an army that you feel comfortable with regardless of what it is whether it's four K. Whether it's even other game systems like mollify what have you playing an amish? You so comfortable with if you don't feel comfortable with and it doesn't tickle you pickle as it were it's manaus some it out you know. Make sure that you enjoy it. Because if you're not enjoying the hallway about my in time is going to be something this this cold regardless of gender in I well what will said And he had to call at Sony. The Chat Tyler had mentioned around strong female. Here is I think Games workshop and music companies in general have put a lot of effort and focus in creating more female strong heroes on the table. So if if that is important to you and it's not important to everybody that I think we all seeing more and more powerful female representations where you know I think marks the likes of morale alario and is lots and lots of stone causes a lot of them and you know you can find examples on both sides of the fence. You know we've got a new pure. Oh God female coming out with new stores There's just there's more of them coming out so that's important to you. I think you're able to represent yourself either from the company all do yourself and make it are in Baram. Ms Is a wonderful woman. War Gamer in America. Who has gone out and actually converted up her whole army As female female handguns and she's actually grainstuff boobs and she's going Fuqing caboodle so If that's important to you do it and I think the noble shrove any difference whether the Copa it's awesome in fact I think if you convert it. Most people are more likely to go. Oh Wow that's awesome and really appreciate the time and if it taken two hundred percent so then the question that I was going to lead into next was all women competitive that was that was the league conglomerate Grupo. I thought yes because I asked that question because some people may have a perception that women are GonNa come to tournaments. Who could not competitive then not. That's not the type of person they are and I put they pay ever on the go abroad. Pay Brush is that truly hensarling. I'm Michael Play if we do anything. That's a doubles event. He won't play with me because I checked for the other team because I'm so not competitive in that kind of environment and so he refuses to play anything with me even down to family board games if he won't be on my team because he knows that. I'll get my husband but if I go to a yoga class you didn't you didn't know. Yoga could be competitive. But I'm a competitive yoga person so I think it really depends on the person and the situation. I think we've got. Jim Increased Day in Gem. Obviously I'm making an assumption but I think you're fairly competitive person from what I from having met you a couple of times. Then you've got other people who aren't competitive at all it's like saying amend competitive depends on the man and it depends on the situation definitely it depends on you know. Sometimes it even depends on the tournament and that's not to say that the tournament is run any differently. It's just like you know traveling Dan too late. Of course I'd like to do well but that I ha- you know there's going to be people there that I probably haven't met yet. Alan keen for that. I come came for the social aspect down there like if I got good. Yeah that's a little bit of a virus but I just really want to have a good time and appreciate the community and just have a good time with all these people that I haven't met yet If I go to the hates at Mount Gra VAT coming up. Oh boy I'm bringing my big shoes. I'm going to be trying to be competitive definitely Yeah Mike from me. It's sometimes just tournament and Yeah as he said like. I don't think it's specific to everyone. I think people. There's obviously you know people that. Are they just a drink socialize and then there is definitely people who competitive women? It's hard to say I agree with Emma. It's it's the same as saying a mink competitive. You know it comes down to the person. Yes so I'm hearing already got it's GonNa pigeonholed one particular sex with women as the Seki. You're not competitive. Say This is not for you because we're different. We all coming from different walks of life. Christine a I will say one thing. Yeah if I'm if I'm playing a game against my partner. It's always competitive. I'm style yeah me at the grave with that take trophies as well so much to defend himself. It's all yours I gave him. If I Dawson enrolling bad I just Oh yeah. These ones Steph. That's definitely full. Wanted you the banchory monopoly. As well my husband is he's not remotely competitive yet on from a competitive family. I'm calling from quite big family so we've always been incredibly competitive people and then when my husband got together me even site? Wow this is well competitive feels like and then EC become placid over the years. Because he's a very calm person. He's very calm very content with just it is what it is. That's how it's always been is always is what it is but it shouldn't always be competitive starts. Did you see the triggered logo come of behead? It's it's just incredible because whenever I'm facing him he'll still point out little things I'm still missing. And then all remember from his all may but it still helps in other games that we do as well. Yeah I regardless of whether it's board games called gangs in tabletop gaming you know. We do all sorts of gaining together. I that's nice. That's really nice that you guys are able to use things like these like we'll have to cheerful form a bond and to spend time with each other especially in an emo is alluding to as well you know. We are social creatures by nature but the welded weld is becoming more and more connected We have all the tools for communication yet. We all more disconnected. And if you don't believe me look at look at the the next Restore Cafe Goto and see people having coffee with each other yet. They're only ferns and we're all guilty of it as well but You know I think this is often Cini and the gang members well Forces you to pay attention to your PIRATES ECON. Sit there and just play with your nonstop because Play the game that way definitely speaking played in the game and I guess the question. I've gotten from tweet US someone's leading to my dam. So I'm going to ask these swan because we all kind of on the topic as well around the subject. We're talking about advance and you know one of the things. That Tournament organizers myself included. I run tournaments. I'm always curious to understand what I can do to encourage more women to come to the event is there anything from your observations or your experience that could encourage Get more women to come play whether it's for the first time to join the PA to even come and watch their partner. Initially in May be coming later. Is Things that you've observed on August Christina image. I in in March yourself as a tournament organizers. You might have had some things that you've done to encourage more diversity so Maybe Jimmy self-focused Tibi honest. I haven't I I it's a very hard question to answer. I'm finding it hard to answer that question. Just because I don't want to generalize it like to me. War Hammer isn't about males and females. It's just something that we will have in common and it comes down to the person you know it's like saying why doesn't everyone liked red as a color you know. I'm not GonNa make someone do it and I know that's not what is intended here. But it's something that's really hard to do because if you go out on the limb and you like all less trying to attract the you know some some women in it you'll going out in one direction by taking away from another one like at the moment the community is is such an inviting place and it's in a good place. I think it's already welcoming and it is growing so I think it's just time you know people. They just need to understand How inviting you to Saad with. And if people can convince their husbands and wives to come along and watch you know maybe attractive with something else. Like for instance. Hey honey there's a bother. You know you could probably have have a couple of drinks. Swale LA while watching the game with something and maybe they'll all yep and then they'll come or just a distraught me off coming for ten minutes. That's all I ask. You know just little slot negotiations. Maybe and they'll see how much fun your having their they might See How many people are doing it. C- of a Maybe the friends it make it a social thing because a lot of a lot of women do social events and I'm not trying to stereotype anything but we talking sometimes so I mean everybody makes man. Yeah Yeah but in general. I don't think it's something. I don't know how to answer correctly. Without sounding we'd have tried to main explain anything. There is some generalizations and we can't speak on behalf of the whole gender and we constantly old swimming organizes but I know For example Only yesterday I had to go pick up something from Chris Welfare from community and I asked my wife to drive me so she can pick up Wanted to drive. My wife drives But I I said to her I said writing in College. Just coming for ten fifteen minutes Because she sees me go away for weekends and You know she. She sees me paint she does he knows I come into. My studio here does stuff. But she doesn't quite understand how old adults connect so. Is it just coming for ten minutes Go Go pick up your stuff from Chris. And we'll we'll have lunch laid off Another example Anna and I would like Simpson things if any does come off whereas One of the lovely ladies in my discord channel said That because she loves the social aspects much she would love to see more to onto type events where she gets to interact in more people in a more casual environment than the traditional one. Wants a if you know what she watched? Boxing we'll challengers actually. What actually that makes sense to me. Because it does plan the gaming and the counter and the and the the Social Interactions. I think another another thing. Maybe some shops could do if they can facilitate it is like I just recently went to a lady's not and it's not just generalize to go to war him applied magic he can play. We play Jenga and all that sort of stuff but you're forming relationships with people there so you go. They put like cheese potter on on something like that. A couple of wines and you just sit down you meet. People which for a lot of a lot of people in this community is already. That's the hot step I to go to go there. I don't know anyone I go to actually put myself out there a little bit. But they all the same. My a lot of people are uncomfortable with going. Hi My name's Jemma how are you what do you do that? Stip the the breaking of the is and once that's done it's the rest is history and I think doing ladies not site that just to get some chocolate up on social media because we've been down that road of of everyone's on their phones and it's such a big part of the world at the moment I get it out there You know they might not Be Your lock the page on facebook partners to and I can pass it on. I honey waiting. Just GonNa play some guy to ladies not They're gonNA put on some wine and cheese. Play some dominos cards. You know. There's so many difference Games that compliance once you form relationships with those people that you know there's Ni- We used to say oh you you form a messenger chat or something or like you get friends on facebook. Enberg Haywood. He'd on Friday night. You want to go play some some or and then the next thing you know like Oh. That's some cool models on shelf. Let's buy some more and then like you know just from there. I think is pretty cool because being a female in the war in the Canadian become friends with some of the wives partners while heavier is I. I'm my landlord. Also one of our closest friends his MRIs she always just sits Hausa chats. May and I. I know it sounds silly but I kind of dumb. Explain what we're doing to. She saw the gun or really liked that and they will sit there and we'll have it never is not supposed to ever be a competitive game but we just say have a competitive game of anything it own. We'll sit there and have a laugh and let me in her will tag up against in my husband his. May it a really fun it is and you know when I was the bye bye last year? Those few wives that were there so Paul Haley one of the guys that really really big in our local community. His Mrs. Eliot was that so hose. I Oh it's brilliant to finally meet you and then one of the other guys. His Mrs was there as well. And they're all good friends so we will stood there just shy in for ten minutes and my opponent of Value Bowie Tanwar said. Will this never any women in the community? Can I take a photograph within the purview of women playing and I was like yes grew on? Let's do this and it was just good fun because then have more people talking to me like carry. Robson used to work for Hamad. Tv in Manhattan. Talk talk a bit as well. And we're always interacting on each others posts and it's about trying to encourage you know just talking about it. Even has a McCartney place X. Y. Set out defense against the cinema and I found out for a meal also may not for coffee anything just to just sit down and just have a chat about anything and then you get to learn more about people outlet as well definitely and I think that's a that's a big thing as well is Like encouragement I don't think people realize how accepting the communities. I just got off just a group that plays Tabletop Games. But you don't realize how awesome the people that are part of the community and I think people need just you know have a some trust In it as well like a I don't know how to explain. I'm sort of do daily dawdling around but You know initially when you go there. It's intimidating because you walk in the shop. There's just like forty people dossier like lois going on. I don't understand any of it. This is too much now. No no no no. I'm I'm done but we just doing say if you can. You know drag afraid infotainment. It'll even Social Christine. You had a really good point they away. You know you get friends over to your house. You play Social Game War Hammer or just heavy seen these models. He's really cool and they might like to paint and then the next step is high. Do you WANNA see how they go on the Table Top. Then you have again and then you know and then from there like you know. I'm going to tournament. It's any one thousand point tournament this weekend. You WanNa come along. And they're like hey yeah and then they realize how accepting the communities and how much fun it is and you can just feel free you can go there and you can have fun and mock around. You can wake caused by you. Can face paint. You can wear costumes like everyone loves it. And I think that's that's that sounds like rim by Krim bye-bye. We had so many people dressed up. It was insane. That was one guy that was dressed as a thaw slayers as my tag team partner me and Allen we faced against game one guy that was running two guys that run in on yours and Ogm all tripe and they were dressed up as far orix and I loved every second fact Matt has a and call in Adam Andrew and Collin. Sorry they were so much fun to face against. We were just howling all way through it and Alan is his picture on. Social media is literally an auto wearing a neutral mask so he decided the whole game he was going to wear a Leech and it was really obvious that they were much. I'm going dressed up a tool for they already. That's of the plan of action for the moment is C- can bring out the wet for that so I think making it fun one. I'm hearing you know in dumb. That matters in chat right now has made you know when he was in working in retail in talking about making the game on experience people enjoyed themselves breath that means removing some of the rules. Just great experience in casual environment. Kudos to you. Jim Obviously very familiar with the go in your community called easy as that role in 'cause Playa type person but you're right Emma you have to do that. You can just walk up into Jane's shut where accepting where accepting Morris way if someone just walk past million the nude I would just be like they had to Pi- Wilhelma let's do. It would not even care you never know some people talk. Well you look at some of the tribes stuffing. I just literally just got a chest play on the near enough stock as you said. Okay have fun with our POW. Probably give him a. Hof like man. If you've got the confidence today that you're you're you're right. Yeah No. I have really strict clothing. Rules in the beat snake would be covered. Just if becoming occupan over beat night to be covered. Yeah Yeah. Heels is fine as long as older. Beats the cover highly again. He said he was tacked up playing his cane with. Ach Sick borrow me. I mean him jokes about the day. He's not exactly a slim gentleman. He was playing with. The idea of walking up in fish nets a bikini and thigh high boots had always said that if you have the stones to do that my friend because that's not funny. That's just how happen team. Brilliant but that's just. That's just the crime bye-bye commune in a nutshell. What I just math. Oliver is brilliant. It's interesting you say that because I had a lot of comments from people and this is by men and women who are who want to enter the event tournament scene but they've heard stories in the past right just like everyone is out there to to to kill everyone as quick as possible and to drake. Ut's and to ruin your day and you know that really bad experience and and people again both men and women have these fear of entering their first tournament and just being crushed and having a bad time so it's interesting to hear in one of the recurring theme right now is being community and the importance of community. How ugly friendly you've all had this experience with But to it's not just about crushing your your enemy. It's about having fun. It's about enjoying yourself and yes you will get people who are competitive and they really WanNa win. But that's not your whole experience. Lawf- is plenty of events that People offer you buy drinks. I've had against where so people had may be made to make any drinks at the table. But it's just as fun as much as it is could be competitive that probably one of the things. Christine said about having a photo taken to prove that there were other. You know there were women at the events. I think that's probably something that's really important is There's a lot of research into like why women on Instagram and why we don't say women in particular Mao dominated areas and sort of the thing behind as if he can if he can say they her women need to say other women doing things in order to know that shaken do it. Sorry having having the opportunity to say the women there is a great way to to get other women into the event so I think what we need to do is find a way to actually get women to come in for some portion of an event to say that women are are in this space that you know often. If I'm running an event I can be the only woman in the room but I'm still in that room which means that when the other women coming as the gophers or the wives of the partners or the friends or whatever there is another woman in that room and situation as there's a female who's in a position of authority as well I think that's really pal the papal to say But some of the things that way is We do a we'll have A. We'd always high tea at some of our events which we time for about two hours before our award ceremony and we basically have all the women were as many women as we can get there and there's one in this food and this conversation and we start the conversation with. Gi's deplayed you. Have you read the book? St Paint that kind of thing starts with no no don't do and then all of a sudden somebody admits the actually. I did write a book and it was actually kind of good and then somebody will. Now I paint I will give we do play a bit so you know this is kind of breaking down of the stereotypes that are with this other woman here. They're doing it as well. So it's not just me and and I'm not odd because I enjoy this in. This particular. Male are now dominated area. Because I'm not alone. That's I really love saying that. It's really awesome. When you've got a a table with fifteen women and nobody plays maybe a little bit. Or you know your mice. Mice wakes and that as the one flows a little bit as well That's really awesome and one of the things one of the reasons that we started running. I'm extols event is because the very first event we ran which was masters here in two Thousand Fifteen Dang There were a lot of women one female player and a lot of women came to support their partners and I was running the on asking them near deep lay. I couldn't come to something like this for that. Same reason that men are really competitive so I don't have the confidence to in by myself. It's okay that I play with him but I don't. I couldn't come by myself. So we started a mixed doubles event so that she doesn't have to come by herself. She can come and be and to. She feels comfortable enough to come by herself. Sorry we've noticed that Spain Spain really interesting. We have some women who come who enjoy and feel supported and then we have some men who bring their partner and they play two armies on the table and the woman just rolls the dice that he tells it too. So it's interesting saying that dynamic as well. Now Think Stephanie. Interesting especially when you see partners turning up to support their united sport them the husbands boyfriends have or even just frightened. Sanae coming up in Sapporo in Amman. Just sitting there watching it and then having that discussion afterwards of. Oh you plan on no plane. Why all this you involve? Estes what do you think about this? Although he and I just sit in there just looking at a model insane also what do you think of say? For example that the ultra if not a what is it? Oh Hey let's have a look at it and bringing them all to them and making it a mole. Tactile experience says they look at China. I did a lot of women do play. It's just so daunting to come into a room that he's so filled with men and not feel like they have space to be there. Yeah prefer from from everything. I've been told 'cause I tend to do as much research as I could in preparation for this. From from everything I R- the stand is there are of loss of players in the casual space. They come to a local game stores. They'd playing it. The gains clubs. It's at late today. The tournament that event that maybe a little bit of a gap the four reasons at emory Jimmer spoken about already. They're playing it's not like. They had a unicorn they are amongst us in their own water them. I think there are more painters in our players. Potentially at least I see a wash of painters and do you think that's because it's more socially acceptable to say painters as opposed to sing players. Like I think they still the stereotype around what does a game look like and so I wonder whether or not From the racist that I did as well. I wonder whether or not there's this idea that I actually don't want to be associated with that idea around what gamma rays and sorry. I'M NOT GONNA go and social media and share this. I'll share it with my partner. Share it with my friends. But on keeping these my daddy little sacred. Because I don't want anybody thinking that I'm like them. I think women in general and his probably does come across as a stereotype but way probably everyone has confidence issues but it seems to come. It's more prevalent in females if that makes sense and that's not a dig at females at all like. I think I think we're the Superior Race. The old saying the house trolling but unfortunately women in just in a social aspect to the confidence there is never quite s- as highs as men and I think that is getting better I end. Drew to there is a lot more women playing. And it's now becoming more of a socially acceptable thing which you know. I get sort of upset because unlike the should not be along long way it's acceptable to do something like if he wanted to go ahead and do it. I'm not GonNa stop you from going. And and no one should like a fee fine if you're attracted to the idea of buying some models and painting them play on the table. Go ahead assignments someone doing anything else. If THEY WANNA go take autry courses go ahead go and do it. If you have a passion for it jump in one hundred percent the backing and support you will have and just feeling better in your heart that you are doing something that you want to do will make you feel so much better about yourself anyway. Do not ever be ashamed of or joining a hobby Just because he thinks he don't WanNa be part of that e need to grow and accept it yourself and just jumping. Just do it. Much deficit life is so full of so much negative. If there is something in this world that brings you joy embrace it with both hands regardless of what that active will probably try and keep it legal. I guess but but you know regardless of what that is. Take any opportunity for joy and if you find joy in moving toy soldiers around on a table. He's guy for it. Yeah pleased I never like once. You start stereotyping stuff. I think that's when it becomes a problem within yourself. This problem with the community you should never ever say. I don't want to be part of that group If you thinking like that to me you're a little bit of a negative person. I'm sorry to say that you need to you. Need to have the conference itself and grow and just be a more positive person in your life and have that confidence to go. You know what I shouldn't think about that. I shouldn't think of myself like that. That's probably a beautiful set of people over there. That are missing out on having a relationship with so you know what I'm GonNa do it like let's do it and that's probably why the beginning that. I said that I disagree with you around to the idea that it's a certain kind of person that comes in place. He's he's. I think that we have a responsibility to try and break down some of those stereotypes and to change that the stigma associated with the label of Bang. Gema each not. Nick beads living in their MOM's basement living on mountain view with cup or grow towards this. It's this painful So you know. It's not an as in their mentality. Honestly the number of people that you walk past in number of people that Mike and I walk past in the straight and they'll stop his guard. Oh my goodness we what she won. You never would pick them. If you're going by stereotype so yes it's important that's great that's great. You know as much as what Jimmy said around the event. I'd also say that is true to the hobby as well around sharing you fight on his I've heard from plenty of people in in discussions with Democrat. I'm concerned about scaring Fridays. Because they're not that good. I'm not I'm not as good as that other person or I might mean learning and all share when a really really really good and you holding. So you're holding yourself back Rabin Eurocentric self and again. This is whether it's Mailo women and Jimmy. You mentioned begs female issues prior to its cracks. Me So I. I don't WanNA put words in. Tim is now that share share. So I think you're I think we that. The research says that men over estimate their abilities and capabilities by thirty percent and women underestimate their abilities and capabilities by thirty percent. And I think that's sort of what you're saying that men what what I see is many more than happy to to share and to To tell people how good they are and women more than happy to be somewhat self depreciating and not want to share. Because I'm not good so It's it's really difficult to undo have many centuries that's kind of gone into that with a two hour episode here going go power you've got this. You are just as good as the men in your lives and because that that is the truth we are awesome or women. Just I agree. We are the superior six seats in business that I WANNA get. I don't WanNA deviate too much out of the hobby compensation but they say at Then the studies have shown that If there was a job promotion company and they were all taken skills A man if they had seven of the ten would apply for the job. And if a woman had seven they wouldn't apply because they don't have the other three An just that mentality of the way we perceive things with that as well though you know if a if a man goes for a job and the the salaries X. amount he'll ask for x plus this amount and saying to be a Grega a woman asks for X. Plus that amount and she seemed to be you know or she's got tags on his health so there are kind of those social constructs that still dead that we Still battling against and that's reality so As much is that well I guess orbits year during what we can to try and put women community there in more in trying to create a positive space for women in the gaming area yet. I disagree with that It just about slowly. Increments of change and I mean it doesn't have to be small. We can make big leaps of faith But we all do a pot and I think for a second we in the tournament and the competitive scene or the Amazon in general are putting up roadblocks in various. Stop you for entering We want the events to grow. I Want my personal events is because possible. Man Woman Child Old Person Young Person. I don't care I would as many people in the hobbyist possible But there are some things and as we've mentioned That we could do to get more people to come so I think Even just to self reflect to think he's everything that I can do whether it's mixed doubles random into social interaction personally for myself as a player. I have unconscious biases. That would come to a tournament. I will go see my friends. I just want to chat with my friends whether it's my my my local club. All the people that I've played with in the Pasta. I JUST WANNA get to Nar by myself now are introduced myself to people. I don't know because I don't know how how how experienced they are and that's a way to welcome the music community to have another familiar face. End I think that's important later in your mail. A woman to make the if it To make people feel welcoming communities as opposed to being isolated because they're not in the crowd. Iping to try. The Shia is to actually have like a specific lanyard for people who choose to be You know so if you've got somebody WHO's coming in. Who doesn't know anyone they can look for the orange out and guard. Will I know they're safe person? Go and talk to. And that's for again whether it's a new man coming into an event or a new woman or whatever. They know that these persons are social person. Who IS GOING TO BE? Okay if I go up and they'll be able to introduce me to others one of the other things that we've done is we've we. Don't use tournament use. The word event on tournament is really quite It does bring up those ideas of hoppy competitive players and and that can be off putting for men and women alike. I think that's a good planet. Should they have in SEIS safe people that people can go to a bad word? But yeah those those people that you can go to and just say. I need help with X. Y. Z. A. O. Can you introduce me to these people? I don't know anyone they now whether it be in male female in regardless it shouldn't matter they can go up to him and just so high. I'm safe for example Christine. How are you doing? This is my fest event? I don't know anyone he. How does it work? Yeah last year with my husband. With load of friends bumped into low people. We went to one of the local games up the night before and then ended up being introduced to a Lotta people that they will stop. That guy you'll pin. Oh my God accommodates you. You're female and I was like yes. Well good what boys and then they would sit. They dislike to sit there and I suppose breweries sounds like I got by that guy over there. He asked me Nice. I said yes. I'm overwhelmed. Said Help Yeah I. It's like being someone that has problems with mental health like going into a room full of people that I now I'm instantly overwhelmed and I look at it and I'm like Oh God what day. I had full blown panic attack than October. I went that I was like no. You can do this. Just GonNa have some fun. You know you're not GonNa win the Games but that's fine because if you meet a Lotta people that you like. He got on with of now. I got one one of my closest friends because of that a night because of going to buy a non people that were there was so welcoming and it was so good and I can't wait to go again. The shell now really excited is. I'll go to events local one between now and then which is WanNa came in in the same town as bye-bye and there's GonNa be a load of people that I am. I know I'm GonNa be happy and content and sit there and go right a year on. Let's see I can do from being this Hobie? I think it's a journey for everybody. And we are obviously growing from the from when we started to now like just listening to Christine talk then and I definitely relate to to some of those feelings that you that you've got there like obviously when I first started. I was not who I am today and we can all say that about a you know. I always nervous You know thirty now. I was I've been playing for four years and you know twenty six years old going to the game shop Definitely it's not. I'M NOT EVEN GONNA lie on hot like you. Nari when you walk into a shop that you probably going to be the only female in the and it's daunting to start off with But now that I'm I've grown and I've I know the community a lot more jumped. I jumped up to take a while. Obviously I haven't been doing all the social media stuff for that whole time I have a sense of prod and I think that's important too because you know walking and you might be the only female on there but it's probably Sensini but I'm mark. Oh yes you know like carrying the female sex right now. Like I'm GONNA show these boys how it's done and I always have that sense of pride when they go. Oh you that chick from the foul charge. Oh yes I am like you know like I have that confidence now. But it's it's I got it from the community. Yeah like if that makes sense. I didn't I and I have grind myself but because they appreciate everyone the you know the you'll confidence just blooms those those last four years that I've been part of it so when you guy that they're like hey you're from the and you're like Oh yes I am and I think those little confidence berries They're really appreciate it like if no one doesn't you know if you guys don't know that right now. I appreciate all of that and it's really helped me in the last four years coming out of my shell. You wouldn't caught me sitting here probably so enthusiastic over something. Because I was too nervous as if I do that. Are they going to think I'm some Wieder? That's like too excited over something hands. You know if I have a passion becoming. I'm going to share it with everybody and whether you like it or not. Everyone's entitled to an opinion but I'm going to do this anyway and Yeah definitely females are on the back foot of that because we we are getting it is getting better and I think definitely. Now there's there's a whole lot of us playing. We are getting more comfortable with it. And we're getting more confidence ends soon as you walk in. You see one more dramatically. Just want to be like that and I wanna go over and say hello to them and give them a hug all congratulate them more. What are you playing like shiny? I'm answering them any different to a guy but I'm just like yes like look at you so happy. It's funny we decide. Let you feel it you carrying the flag for the female gender There's been a couple times where we've gone into a J W WHOA. Hammet store and I've got my two daughters with me and I was like could take a photo because at the moment. Gilles Outnumber Boys. How often does this happen fast? Also in I'm just reflecting right now on my my year. We we we women in and I went to a depth to calm loss and I got to play to two females in the doubles which was amazing was like Intriguing Games to play a woman called Kelly whose are now facebook freightways and I get to play another woman which is frigging Olsen. And then I came to the next which a team event was awful person teams event and out of the five games to play to play. Two girls was Monaco with a with a colon which was awesome. She was she thought she was the mother of Scott Bryant and every time she took damage. She's so excited and so happy. It was such a pleasant game on Jess Am reflecting now and I just had such Olsen gains heck lost your plate. Beth came on which is at thirteen year old girl. All's mentioning earliest sir. I've just had nothing been amazing gains if I actually reflect the plate. They some of my most memorable because I were fun. They were interactive. It was enjoyable and the skill level was no different between nine or female so I think it's important here. I think Jim Everything. You've just said around that confidence in woking in really earning that will take time but not being shying away from it because it would be an easy. Christine to have that first experience not a Timbo by were not enough. I van be uncomfortable and not come back. But now she's reaping the rewards from hemp assistant said definitely being making calibrates. I think in stuff like this like having us on Just you know for anyone watching you guys out there. That have you partners. That are watching him with him harshly. This gives you just that extra bit of support and confidence and and you could probably jump on and be more confident. Probably cost them what I have just because we're here already and don't be scared to send US messages or you know If you want some support or ye too scared to ask someone else. Don't be scared to to send us a message because I'm more than helpful Sorry more than happy to help more than helpful at happy to try and help and there's going to be a lot of other women out there too so if you do feel comfortable talking to another another woman about gaming or community stuff just just Just message because all trauma very best when there I was GONNA say in Berwickshire in the district watching on Youtube I put a list of about twenty maybe twenty five women That I follow or have been recommended to me on twitter who are painters. They walk game as they play by play forty day. They just general hobbyists There is a youtube channel called. Hot Papas in Walpole It's a husband and wife Jew who who played. Why like go fully in the US questions go back home and all this stuff and You again I think the message one hundred nail here is that you. You're not allergic to. They're more out. There definitely loves more out there yet. Fuller twist been really good for that. Is that if you're struggling to find games nine hundred ten if you put out on twitter by the way on. Exocet area is there. Anyone that will found sees a game of four K. For EXAMPLE NOT ON TEN. You can have someone to sit on. Oh by the way. Oh Yeah I know Look Gains Club to let let me just send you that link. He night whenever we go to events at the age of trump's which is our local club a night when not particularly great advice rolling but we go for the school size. That's always ends up going full. I'm in a whenever we go to events they said. Oh Yeah what base in Northamptonshire England. Oh let me hook you up with the link Ligo come come join our. What's up chat in time? Then come down to a club night and they make friends and it's really interesting to see whether it be my old female in this communicate trying to get more people involved and so is it gives them not censor once again community says they feel accepted. Sit there and guy you know something whether it be on rookie. Gema or an experienced game a safe place to betty an a place that is going to welcome in amount walk. And that's what I love about this community. This isn't mine and telling that's a really good point. Christine. I've never met a forty wall. Hemiplegia player who has not wanted more people in the community. I've never met anyone who's afraid to You know if we bring New People in. What's that going to Maine? I've never met anyone like that anymore. At all it's always Bain about how can we make this more inclusive? Hackney get more people to come to clubs or to be playing installs to becoming too events what they try and rick downs. Unemployment is having a couple of other different gaming groups saint capable who fame worried about what may mean if it's not just the same co-boys club but I've never experienced in we'll hammer. I agree. Good question is probably coming at the right time Before I get into some of the Almighty some rapid fire questions asphalt stream but one is just come up Cast steak is. How would you promote a gaming club? Coach to introduce more females into that male dominated Canaan club With all clubs retake loads of put them up on twitter. We say we'll take photos of the games and the people playing because obviously if that comfortable with it not not come through with it. We DON'T POST THEIR FACE. This thing that we have massive massively we'll take photos of games are so whether it be blood ball whether it be. Ios whether it be fully K. That we've got. We even have adapt. Itanagar down there. We have the whole law and we post up. We say oh interact with us. Talk to see if you will show ask in a always happy for you to just walk in and say oh by the way. I'm James I do in. How did this come on in my friend? Let's have a little chap in. Let's sit you down. You know what Wolf System do you want to learn? And a lot of the time that is going to be people down there straightaway. We've got Craig that saw saw blood bokhary we've got in off the IOS community that this. May My husband poll PA stave in high. We pull highly down there as well. We've got alum he. He Runs Forty K. Ios and also la ball and he's learning Blah Blah emolument. Any one of us will stand there and go. Let's have a chap. I'm hopefully teach in one. Go ahead play big wall a flea that it might me now might learn as well but it. I currently only play. I enjoy but it still giving me that. Learning of different systems and going back to the doubles of an idea in August doubles event Krim bye-bye and further money wore acolytes. And I had such a blast face in against these other armies the I was looking at. Wow I've learned so much more about my own. Aw me through doing and also learn about which Soi Alamos taking. He was taking night home. It was interesting interesting to learn a bit more about that now. More Round magazine is now in the UK and off slowly saw it grow in those as well of looks at. I thought ooh that looks really interesting. Let's play with us. This look at gateway drug people tell you it is a little bit. We'll decide to come together after. Not even eight nine months. Hobie FORTY CALL SLOW. Garwin to almost jewelers painted up Christine. You'd have to try big while I'm taking it to sad. And I've played on. Joel Embiid Gua and oh I don't know how can go back on. Joel's after being why they call. Yeah I've been told that by Tom Bell he's one of the best on Joel's in UK by people like gay puddles to as well like all of the. Mr Net is gone. Christine. Please just try big wall a knife onto from us. Walk Day to day and I was like. Oh say. What do you reckon about Andre? The big wines like like it's been how much okay then applying. What he said to him also a need to get him to just sit down and just go through it with me because Lisa knockin sit there and look and is it beneficial to the current army list. I have really WANNA buy all paint build anymore. Models on Johnson quite can content with the list. Have our men and women defer? I've never met a mobile gamer. Who's been content with the army that he's got Thought that with a Silva sat there. He looks at one list from this weekend as a lady that was actually playing called Sophie. Just running Silvana in this team tournament and she was looking at these. He looks at her lesson. She's taken like six or sorts. What if I ran the outside police supposed to be running living city now how long it took for my partner to choose what army he was playing at? Sag eighteen x week. I just I can't even explain. It would understand a little bit but it was like you know. I have a coin. If it's heads that are played one in the last couple of years. I'm like an annex like I have no no interesting like the lease Seraphin. Leach weight is articles last. Couple of days. now rateable lying I I quit my husband Magpie because I think that sounds Nas of in an attic to just forty time really. You can only see some of this stuff here. A wind wind do a tour of the room. Because I want to be on the move made three inches as well that gets Detroit. I did I remember going through that with you. Migra ready been down that road. The Three D. Printer. These can't yes. What sprayed back on track. I was just GONNA call contract. That's what I call that. A really good point that Christine's made around having multiple systems and having different ways to get into the hoppy. I've had people who've committed and said a potted gets involved in a live play. We'll have that. The idea of playing three hours of of Agency Volley K. Is just like it's too much. I'm not interested in that. It's a finding ways to have that that thirty minutes to one hour to ninety minutes whether it's killed team where the war cry weather's whether it's why I'm a quest whether it's Blackball if that's why you. WanNa get into the hobby and get more female gamers into club or community find systems in areas that they want to play some of those shorter games. There's so many less rules to have to remember as well you know so whereas going in and playing a three hour I o s game is just so overwhelming with all of the Denver. And everything you need to remember whereas yet forty five minute underworld's game look into that. I think that's an incredible point. Actually that I never was bit naive in that air. I never really thought about it because I'm such already playing. I'm so he doesn't point game sneeze like just going for a walk but That's definitely big thing is is is the time like how come. How long does it take three hours? You like hot minutes if I'm lucky. My wife who always wages as she gets ahead on every six months every three months but it takes three or four hours so when you compare a three hours to the head. That's lead to thing that she enjoys way doing on a regular basis of cautious cow skin. They even have it on Xbox near so if people like that platform and you WANNA get into gaming like playing xbox at the moment is just play some more hammer on that. Assad off with and then do you WanNa play the real thing and then you can jump into a at twenty five minute game. Shane Spyros something I was GonNa say. That's how my husband saw a plane blood bowl because he liked to look there but I bought in the game for xbox because he's trying to he's trying to get points up on race is obsessed with the society. I WANNA play Bob Shaw. How about players will tell you something. He got his game. See how you got on if you like it. Go for it. If you don't it's okay to lease and you still got that game you can just sit there and play as a as a chill-out in for after a long day for example and East now go I think three or four teams slowly but surely I think he's just got rid of one he has. He's got rid of his uncle. Tame beneath running the Sarah Fontaine Sky even and annot. He's looking at a slightly different team entirely. Show what it is yet. It's quite interesting to watch. I shy one other thing. I'll call at before I'll I'll be the bad guy in the zone in the comments made these these point and I think it's very valid. I'll be the bad guy in the room and I'll say it basic hygiene encouraging basic hygiene and making sure. That guys died smell. I know magic gathering those a tournament recently where they actually said that will keep people out if they actually snore really bad and they would actually live leisurely ban them from the event or asked them to leave so encouraging basic hygiene and trying to reduce the buck cracks and all that stuff that they had a stereotypical lays not attractive. Like if I saw that and I will I will do a gain store and it smells like what's the likelihood I'm GonNa come back done with a remainder were women. I'll be at the store over here. The pet store which was the first. Gw stole that. I ever went to an For anyone from wwl his watching this the rain square store and it was disgusting like the sweaty teenage boy smell had saved into the carpet and the wolves and it was. Just you walked in here. You sorry there would be. The boys would be inside looking at whatever that will looking at. The girlfriends would sit outside on the balcony because we couldn't stomach going into the store and because of that I saw every so generally do the briefing at the start of our events. When I saw the more by going there was a lovely ad for Sun Crime in the nineties. And it said apply yourself to reapply and we encourage you to use that same roof deodorant. You find cans of men's and women's deodorant over at the table plays allow yourself to apply that liberally throughout the day. If I walk around offer it to you it's not because you smell but he's a lovely reminder to please feel free to give yourself a square. Yep Definitely not encourage more more women. That would be something to be very mindful of whether you're the tournament organizers do have some cans of deodorant in the bathrooms or table or if you are doing friendly reminders if if somebody's does obviously w barriers that person botch everyone that way everyone experiences the same lift lift embarrassment so everyone's equal. Yes but nobody singled out you know. So that is why billy billy you saying stinker playing the TI table and collect some definitely and has become probably one of the things in the pious pack and the law slice at twelve months. It's been listed on there as like what you should bring. And then it has dos rulers type. The parents and actually undermines through saw big. Now it's and it's actually. It's become a lot more prevalent like you see what as as a ti like helping out with events you walk around and you know if someone knocks with a bag or something well. They've got seating just on the desk next to them with something so they remind each other. It's it's definitely becomes something that some People Mormon full of and I thank thank everyone. I live in any league for sponsorship. Maybe for the next tournament that I run they every every little gift bag has a league task for sponsorship. I couldn't get it actually work for Unilever sometime. We go so could sandbox. Awesome rapid fly questions because I know we probably eating for about two hours and a bunch of people's also bunch of rapid fire questions that the community has asked Feel free to either. You all have to answer if you feel compelled a question. I've had his G. Feel like you have to prove yourself more as a female game. Oh no I just know. I'm better kidding. I don't you feel the pressure of having. I never have as much as you're joking. There are times where I do. I feel that I have to be a lot more assertive in inciting that actually I. I do know this. And it's not a K. For that to happen and that wouldn't happen if you're talking to Mike so that's not going to happen because you talking to me so you know. I think that Jimmy saying I just know I'm better I think it's it's really important to know to know the staff and to be able to call somebody out on it so if you go into a store and somebody assumes that you're there to be buying something for you partner called out on it so what makes you think that and I will do that and just with a small. What makes you think I would be buying something for my husband and coming to that realization of going? Oh Oh I just assumed and yeah yeah I think confidence is another thing he too especially coming from. Tr's perspective rules questions. Obviously you're GONNA get Oslo those Wear obviously being. It's because we have some knowledge of it so answering those questions with confidence and if he dark Ni- also answering with confidence sign. I'm sorry I don't actually know the answer to that. The two minutes and we'll find out Roy just everything being not rude but just answering friendly but confident. I think I've never ever had a job with anyone that tried to second. Guess me or anything like that I've been very lucky with the community. So far I've only had one experience. We've run a lot of events but one experience where I've been in the middle of explaining something to apply and he's turned around and walked away and gone. You know what that's just not K. By that's one player. I'm we've had thousands come through our events sigh yes not a bad not a bad percentage and not an IPAD. So people mentioned like Rocker for example at bench and his wife when he's trying to get his wife into the game Some of their. He's he's wife's opponents. Ashim that she doesn't know anything and tried to explain rules in hobby. Connor basically what? You said like literally Ride her opinion It's actually fulsome to move shots twice. that on the other side is well easy Not Not not easy but another person core. Ab has mentioned exactly what you said. Iran won't be into a game store and she's often traded like she is buying something for his for someone else. It's never blind for her mom. Think calling it out and asking wash. I assumed that is a great piece of advice because definitely. I'm sorry that these you know we're gonNA find that in the world everywhere. I'm sorry that has happened to you but yeah just remember you know. You'll they have to get something yourself. Just stay new ground. Like don't be rude but yeah exactly like what I must say you know. What makes you think is going to be a gift like? I enjoy the hobby What makes you what makes you? What makes you think that is because I think that it allows that time for some kind of reflection will what does why would is that rather than going in and attacking and saying you know? You're chauvinist in that kind of thing. Now it just gives them the spice guy. Yeah actually. Iran did make an assumption there. That's a great idea. Assumption made all the time it. I buy makeup brushes which I've now realize is the best rushing rushing alum. Yes they are my wife's Makeup Russia's off limits on tolls UPS. But yes. I've heard a lot of stories where people have felt comfortable buying because this is a general assumption that You if you're coming into our buying miniatures clearly isn't for you because you're attracted because you're female for whatever reason so I think calling it out. He's a great way to self reflect and hopefully stop the cycle. The question's GONNA call out was Catherine Catherine Smith it mentioned that she's playing forty. Cain Iowa's at the moment and she's away she's only playing with a boyfriend And while she is she's enjoying that she was to step out in actually getting involved in community so she's like. How do I find players to play with her boyfriend? Straightway twitter strike while type because the irs in Seems to be linked upon there. They tell you an email. Facebook group see now. That's a good place to start in where I saw. It was twitter in an all the time and I want it games. I will shout out guys. I'M UPPER. We'll hammer well for example on this date which fancy a game a lot. The time they'll be a couple people account make it that day but how about making another die and you still create in that. Oh this person wants to get in this community. Let's do this people in rallying around them and giving them support nat whereby then they don't feel people don't want apply. This isn't good I yeah. I don't do twitter at all but I think I'm more of a facebook. Oh sorry just jumping on doing a search for clubs in your area that kind of thing or you know. It's Perth Western Australia Forty K. Players for Perth Western Australia players joining that group and then asking. Does anyone know if there's a club up? I mean I'm south of the river. Is there a club nearby? And then you generally find people would jump out and go. Oh Yeah you've got this. You got crags you go outpost you've got That kind of thing when I may end. Then you're able to go so I think just checking out your clubs finding out where they are going down and playing all going into local J W we'll hammer store get riches always always a great way. One of the great things about Wilhelma is that there are actually stores like a lot of the other war gaming games the online whereas we've actually got this resource with having have many stores in each of our capital cities going in there and using that resource asking local. J W we'll have a manager where other clubs at a nearby me where people plying. Is You know the times when you have more people coming into the store where I can pick up a game. That kind of thing a great question for General Tristan. Who mentioned that? He's a father. He has two young daughters who are at that age. They starting to show interest in daddy's ratings and he's gold one days to get them or at least share that with his children Do you have any recommendations around how he might introduce his daughters? Who obviously obviously Who at age in very much around fairies in Unicol Princesses enjoy right now. Any thoughts are in. How as they grow up. He can take nurturing that interest in the hobby books. I have two daughters. I've got a seven year old and a almost fifteen year old and my kids all three of my kids. I've got a son as well in there who's thirteen. They have all painted wore models from being old enough to hold the paintbrush and the my oldest is really into all the law. So she's she's a huge mythology kind of person in history and all of that kind of stuff so for her that funding you hook for her. That's her hook the my youngest bang to paint so you can't actually remember the name of the IOS models. She's painting the ones that have got all the Obama that are so cost thank you. I had a turtle mental blank then. So she's painting the storm Casper she's fine princesses so there aren't have to be done with the you know the Antique Gold Coloring. You can paint them whatever you want. So just that's what we're during anyway and we play simple hammer with the kids so taking away all the complex rules and everything moves the same amount. Everything does the same amount of damage and you know just starting them. We really basic rules. Starting them with three motors H. Just playing with them finding out how they want to be engaged in in and you know both of my older. Two kids have read the The teenage books that are Apfel them. We'll hammer adventures. We go out is to write a book review for our blog poised so great garre involved as well so it's just finding out what's going to keep them engaged and also making it normal that it's not a big deal that he wants to play. Hemmer. It's just this is a game. We play games as part of our family. This is one of the Games that we play as part of our family hundred percent. Just keep nurturing it to you know like there's no rodel wrong this so much freedom with with hobby and and the Games You know again if they want to paint this stuff in pink or black or yellow. Doesn't matter as long as they're having fun doing it. I think you should support that I carry on with it. You know because obviously as they grow they're interested in a change so one might still like to paint or Hobby. And that's fine and the other one might want to read books and learn how to play it on the table and and you know it's getting gonNA support by things and there's nothing wrong with either one of them so as long as you know that you know tristen still has the interest as well At that stage I think. Just guy for it Again like I agree with M. I. Paying the simple Hamma taking the rules getting interested. Because you don't want to be overwhelming people you know especially kids because they get bored easy You want to make it fun and interactive and I think as a family should probably even having Friday night games or something A family just so you also supporting a family union too because I think that's very important And accepting you're not only just teaching kids social side of things but you're also teaching them confidence And acceptance and if someone wants to do something different with their army that's fine and I think you know know judgment and I think that's very important skill to learn now so it's carry through the community as I get older and I think our community is very strong in that aspect already but we gotTA keep that. Ball Rolling. Yeah so I think that having models and things around the house that it's like for kids to touch and to play with as well rather than other models that we don't touch those because he's GonNa get really angry if they get broken or things that kids can actually play like. We had about half a dozen models that the kids had painted like rainbows that lived in the cutlery drawer for how many years I should. I think that's probably still one there at the moment. But it's just it's just normal. Sorry and there's nothing there's nothing be go scary about it. It's just it's just part of it really is part of our everyday life and cheekily for our youngest. She's grown up coming to events and that kind of things. I take the kids to events when they're little as well get them to walk around and ask questions look at the models. Yeah I was GONNA say there's a call in the UK community. His Mrs was pregnant lost Sharipova. They started bringing logo to events. They did not of already set to a messiah. You bring in by MIA to you. Bye-bye always like please bring a casino. She's GonNa get so. Many switches is simple fleshy. Getting so many switches off of May straightaway call. Why well it's funny site up because I mentioned that thirteen year old girl who's now fourteen of The first time I met Beth was at an event called Sydney slaughter and I think she was about eleven or twelve back then. She wasn't playing but she was hanging out with her dad. Now I didn't know the dead very well at the time. And she was just literally hanging around her. Dad's a two nights. Not Thought Manny's guys deadbeat dad. Why if you loss like you get divorced and this is a custody weekend. You're bringing your daughter who's like literally eleven and hanging out with you at a tournament the two days But when actually the story actually Mum of both. Whoa Hamer's are months more of a board game blood bowl type person. And he's definitely more the Wolfgang entire that exposure and normalization has been fostered over time. And it's got to a point where She's very sassy now. She always person she gives. She gives absolute may may him to my co host. Leeann by she gives him grief and she doesn't care This conference with guard And I think we've allowed her to nurture and make that a safe space so again whether it's for a a female or partner with your mother or your daughter son the that environment where the tournament or event or the Hobby at home or the gain stole had you create that an art in a safe a welcoming environment without Dr preconceived. This is the way you build a model. This is the color scheme you're gonNA paint. Do you want to do your creative expression yet? So I painted my Joel's pin compatible. Say I'm looking at it. I love him. I love the guy on my little makeup bosses skin pink and purple and August so proud of that model groped. Some my husband's Is Bits box? He's got on need to steal the makeup off. Saum because I just really wanted to make you laugh goal. Drac aim had like GORTEX. Keep her as it were it. I and kept him. On his base of stunned makeup US megabucks. I'm more crusher on the same source lawin PSI. It is quite just didn't don't like the idea of having a set color scheme for army's just don't think that works right as I feel as a cane a lot of time. They go very gothic off on multi tribal sort of incorporate some of the cerebral met the snakes from that as well and I'm currently using the ultra Finan kit bashing up morale system Rafi and big system wrath each. I'm just GonNa keep her is because she is just exquisite but just didn't dare of someone coming to the table talking. Oh does hang on a minute and just looking at each model and picking up looking to say. Wow this is really different. He's GonNa make it more interesting when kids come in and sit there and got. Oh Wow look at this. As we gain down in Northamptonshire we've got the big shopping on corporate likes and little shop in their called magazine. Heaven and they run a game night once a month and we downstairs having Rs Game Two verses one my husband now for and race and I was playing on the other side and dislocate came up and decide looking at more crusher picked him up and I was like this is more Croatia. Don't worry he doesn't bite. He's taught. He's Nice Look Emmy says look still fighting to stop popping among the does and the little kittens Pin said look to stop. Mussa come a holden. He goes yeah. The lady says yes. Mas Of Koshi Campaign I drove. Oh you're going to drop them Naza just making him just a little bit news. I was like okay so good. And just thought that's cool and then just walks off you've just seconds of information out of there now that's it. He's gone miles on them. I mean if it if it gets a little kid looking at it. That's cool that you know whether it be goal of boy of Patriarchs Pink. Paint your your round space marines rainbows like it doesn't matter by the way. Speaking of the Devil Beth actually just jumping comment section so literally like didn't jets Everyone who's who's making the great environments spaces that that world enjoying I am conscious of time. I have one more question to ask Before we kind of wrap these show up anyone who's been watching. These valuable just listened to observe to reflect to think about how we can make a more inclusive environment and yes absolutely. Today's International Women's Day in bringing women into the hobby. The thinking more about your experience in your exposure to generally the whole community and I think is less than inside and if you are trying to bring more women into the hobby whether it's for painting richards playing. I think I've learned today. She's awesome find out what they want and if they if they find out what they would like to see a few job there by not scary. That have jobs mistake. I was GonNa say you still again being go. Being a woman doesn't make any plan or a painter. What's IT between? Your legs is no relevant today in gaming system So I guess the Comment WANNA ask is. What would you like to stay in this hobby in the future? Is there any hopes aspirations? Dreams things that you'd like to sing as a female in will your lifetime and the next year role. I don't know what I think. The community is already in a really powerful position. It's it's it's wonderful as it is. I just WanNa see the continuation of support growth and pretty much. Stay on track people just remember. Why are we doing this? Who you are. Don't try and bring any talks toxicity until it because you're not going to be supported and you'll end up losing something that you love so if we just continue on the On the track that we're going I think and just continue with the support and the growth that we have got. I think that's that's GonNa be brilliant because we already started with any in a very few females and now we've got lots so I think we're already on the right track say. Yeah that's my. That's my opinion as as you say Jimmy. Continue with the great communities that we've gotten all the positive aspects but I'd really love to see his get to a point where we're not having this conversation where needs not trust. How do we get women into warmer ease? Isn't it's not an issue you know we shouldn't need to be talking about how do we? How do we create that gender equality in gaming it should be a non issue and I really would love to see us? Get to a point where we're not talking about gender anymore because everyone should be loved on. Appreciate it on this hoppy regardless of your background race creed whole non yards. It should all just be. We'll hit enjoy the one hobby that brought together Les Joyeux Eight. I love on each other and if people need support support them if they don't get my support that's cool too you know. Yak. That's absolutely my thoughts Into my dreams episode as well Cut In one women on a pedestal. I wanted to make. These is a big issue right. Liking Women Navy special treatment and you know Because you ride. It should be a conversation This is a a system that has hard rules. That you've gotTa Maine's division a women's division there's Is nothing stops of women from playing this game because they have certain skills or mindset or abilities is say elite. You say is nothing that that separates us That people where women aren't doing it so we do need to have this conversation so there's nothing stopping as yet women aren't doing it and you know. I would equality and I do wonder you know when we talk about feminism which is the other f word that will lead to say but when we talk about feminism. We talk about equality. We don't need equality. I think we need equity. And that's what we've been talking about today is about. What are we see? Women need additional support to get them either playing the game or to get them attending events. What can we do to offer that additional support to get women through the door and once we've got through the door? This is a great community. I think we're going to keep them there. But we do actually need that additional what we need to be having conversations like that like these to be able to to reach out and to say you know what these space isn't just for men. You have a space in gaming community as well and it's okay to climb in that space. Criticize Myself I early. Anything I'M GONNA end. I think that's where we end the show. I think you absolutely now. That on the head Christine Jemma. Emma thank you all very much for your honesty openness. I personally led to lot and as I think about my vents are as I think about the tournaments that I'm attending in each direction that I'm making a semi reconsider. Think about the way I attempt to create these equity in the community of Israel shoutouts anything's groups anywhere. People want to find you anything that you want to say before we wrap this up on my credit gym or she probably the easiest. One inertial have suppliers that we can find you a mole yes. I'm on twitter as the foul charge. One of charge and I'm also on facebook uses German shepherd I we do have a facebook page called foul charges. Well On INSTAGRAM HAS JEMMA. Michelle but yet just jump on any those semi requests or messages. Whatever you need. I definitely endeavour to help out as much as I can. As for shoutouts. Where do you start my growing this day and age like? It's so hard because you don't forget anyone shutouts failed. Charge is a great putt reports. If you could if not a I will already under Negga Continued go check out their Olsen. Gemma tells wire wire awesome are just normal. Plebs plan the game in the community we just laid back people who just be ourselves and I think that's something that's very important and not forget is just be yourself. Also thank you very much Recommended jumping checking in Ola Jim stuff. She's awesome. She carries her boyfriend. Michael she carries full. It's true it's true 'em off. Where can people find you? What's the shot that you want to make So objective secured. We have facebook twitter which we don't use look for their instagram youtube. We have objectives Q dot Com dot. Au we have podcast as well blog posts. Obviously we run events over in Western Australia. And I'm sick on facebook. If you WANNA find me As far as shoutouts gory. I generally outside of these work for women's Organization and start all of my meetings by acknowledging the women who've worked before us and I'd like to finish by acknowledging the women who I'm sharing this episode tonight and the other women who are playing in some form or participating hobby and some form at the moment. Because I really want the paper the women who are out there who were part of the community to realize that you are that women who walked I and we are. We are the if you can say. Hey you can be her and on that and I just WANNA shout out and say to all of the women who were part of this community in some way you guys are absolutely fantastic for showing up and thank you for being there and all of the women. Thank you for being role models for my daughter's I really appreciate that thank you. I also just real quick. I probably should mention that. We have a youtube channel as well as thanks and support there and we also have a twitch channel the foul charges while way we've done some. We've done some reps in some Containing it at events theresa you just want to watch some stuff for the also an Christine. Finally bring us home. Where can people find you say? He's mainly twitter sites Her companion web. Somewhere it's not about wrestling. People is not by wrestling in my other passion which is almost like she lost three love wrestling to be fat in all fairness a yeah. It's it's named after a my other side. Pasha which his name in crush of eating until a lot about war hammer on that. You know you're always welcome to have a little chat with male now. Da's inscribe no is frequently now. I think it's a Ryan Luna and but chase the is insane. I'm trying to create full mccray knitting and facebook is under Christine. Corum Co am. The Michael am among there as well. So you're always welcome at me as well. I'm always happy to chat any form of hobby whether it be what I'm doing at this present moment in time which is kip. I live in hell out of a models or to save China about anything always there. It's always good the shot I'm GonNa make is again. Check the comments section on other compensation they show US fiction plays. I've listed out a whole bunch of wonderful women in our hobby. Highly recommended going fully them. I'd also appreciate if you've enjoyed the show and you know someone that I haven't acknowledged who don't in comments section you know. Let's graves Asia if there is an awesome twitch. Aw It is also instant grandma someone on facebook so facebook might not appreciate the festival being shared around Tradeoff Shut Juche your wonderful women in will who are contributing to these hoping civic and all again exposure and enjoy the wonderful works so I'm going to end on these thank you both. I think he everyone actually. Jemma AMMO Christine. The chats please. Amazing discussion happy. Everyone finds valuable. It takes away at least one. Listen I certainly have sir. Thank you all and we'll talk again soon.

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The Conspiracy Farm Ep. 106  911, Epstein & More with Ryan Dawson

The Conspiracy Farm

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The Conspiracy Farm Ep. 106 911, Epstein & More with Ryan Dawson

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I'm really stoked about this episode today. Man a returning guest multiple time returning guests the guys everybody knows like one of the dope is researchers in authors. There's that I've really seen on so many different subject of history not just nine eleven and geopolitics guys is quite the savant in a very productive way and There's a lot we're. GonNa talk about today. It Amen obviously with when I post this will be nine eleven but we're recording on the tenth. We're GONNA talk a little nine. Eleven rob is GonNa talk a little Jeff F. C. and a little bit of everything so joining us today he he's the host of the ANC report and just a good friend of the show man great guy. He's a tribesman inch Ruth Ryan Dawson. What's up Rutta that was it's a nice show. I got him mentioned that Doreen Slam North Carolina is the island where I'm from hit pretty hard by that. Florida always takes the news but little places. This is the always get ignored ocracoke in roanoke. Hatteras island hit pretty hard. They're all parts of the United States by the way and we often it. Don't get don't get mentioned on TV but a lot of history down there. I had our family had some damage too so but this is still a great day eight because John got fire. John Bolton got fired ladies and gentleman and I don't know I know you know whoever does or doesn't drink that's fine but I have a little shot of some Jack Dinners right here that I am throwing back four the removal of the war mongering piece of Shad John Bolton. NSA Director was fired today he is in the Unemployment Line Salad Ladies and gentlemen. NSA adviser he not anymore. I that's the first thing I tweeted till MSA bulletin. Why do you have national security advisor. is your title. You're not a national security adviser. You got fired writes. He needs to change his twitter. Now it is hilarious. I mean we we've known that do yeah. We've known him to be a bad guy for a very long time and honestly you know we can talk about. I saw some you know I post something about it today and someone someone posted if he was so bad why did trump hiring in the first place in. Pat Has an interesting philosophy on that kind of keeping your friends close and enemies closer type thing. He wanted to keep an eye on the bad guys. What are your thoughts. I paid for it as why there we go so each other not on the same day he gave a part in the Lewis Libby so now and then trump trump will put stack the table opposite sides and let them fight with each other and he can't this Lincoln did this and I hate Lincoln but this was a good strategy was all all he has to do his favor one side over the other so they both have to give them something other because he's the deciding vote type thing right and but Bolton was just he'd sabotage you too much in North Korea. He'd Kinda did get along with trump on Iran but he really blew it on Afghanistan and we recently had his chance to remove five thousand troops. Taliban was was willing to talk can comply doll prior demands an Bolton went in there and sabotage the whole thing and so did pompeii but POMPEII pair just sort of follows Bolton's lead so you'll see trust me. You're going to see POMPEII attitude change a lot without a John to hide behind. was there something l. said what did attleson or one of those guys say something critical about. Netanyahu's well in the last couple of days. I mean that's the one that like the selling point for for Bolton is trump actually is very pro. Israel and like pro pro Likud and Netanyahu specifically. I wouldn't even say Israel. I would say this faction. Kushner's yes and Netanyahu our friends and he sleeps with their house right and trump's daughter is married to one of them so he definitely has a sort of nepotistic bias there as and so he's on that team and that's probably what got bowls foot in the door but every time like trump trying to talk to Kim the North Koreans called John Potent did effective human product uh-huh and we used to conduct effective human mustache mad is a met him. He was walking up the steps. Whatever that were AH heard you're the most evil person on the planet glad to meet you so it's a nice meetings of the mining there Mattis hasn't met Richard Perle yet very the few people worse than Bolton there. There's still some but he was the worst person currently in the administration like some leftover. Bush people people were are worse than Bolton and he worked for them to well. We're going to get more into that and a lot of these ties. He was probably worse John McCain where he he returned to hill as what happened. It's a dry heat. We just had his anniversary death party. On the twenty fifth of August. I was in Ireland for that. John McCain never never saw Moore. He didn't didn't like what before we go down this rabbit hole brother you. Did I mean again. You are such a you know just diligent researcher man you bring the pain with so many your videos and so much of your research shirts and that's why as a as a history guy somebody really likes the nuance and the layers of all this shit and seeing how all the dots connect. I I really love with researching as we know man shows like us. Aso's like yours shows like ten hatch Tripoli. You know we're getting shadowed and we're being censored. You know these words. There's a there's a there's a there's a war on truth if you will and you have have had a lot of issues man going back to your meal page where they took a lot of money youtube hits you with strikes for just bullshit saying it was harassment or bullying or whatever the guidelines that you didn't infringe infringe. Jack opposite of what I'm doing yeah exactly and then you know you really put your boots on the ground man in your money where your mouth was because you went to Europe tells about your trip to the UK in Ireland and you were really not a fan of London when you went there man tell us how everything went down and and how if it was successful. I was very disappointed with London but you know I I say these things but I of course I want to change things there. I want to help them but man it was it was an eye opener going there but the reason season I went to Ireland is because the for tax evasion reasons and other purposes a lot of giant corporations plop headquarters in Dublin and so so the the headquarters for all of Europe was in Ireland and the headquarters for the Americas over in Texas as so oh I had to go to one of those never been to Ireland from Japan it didn't matter so we went to Ireland and because the Asian one they don't deal with videos in English pushed him when to the an the most censorship on in the Google sphere is from the EU is from Europe. I mean they you say the wrong long thing at all and always banned in all these countries is like there are a lot of my videos that aren't in Europe at all except for like Iceland Norway a couple other places you know the ones outside he you yeah so something banned in the UK to specifically in the U. K. R. U. K. fans at his. I can't see this video you know that's there's and bit shoots banned in New Zealand and his band on a lot of the ISP's in Australia too but if you live in Australia and you call hall and Complain About that you can get it reversed so it's not the whole country but it's a lot of Internet service providers New Zealand after that shooting. They decided to get rid of bit shoot. Even the guy live streamed on facebook. Go figure never heals your there right. That's like Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's supposedly attacked us on nine eleven and we go to Afghanistan right. Tell us about your conversation with Google folks over the bug man yes that was creepy so first of all. I couldn't get hold of a fricken human being and I've been gill this crap since two thousand eight right the erase my first channel two thousand eight everybody. Whoever did the day I put up this video called war by deception. It got raced at Unday took down my whole channel and I had no means of doing anything and there weren't there weren't even a lot of shows like this. Whatever like a lot of these type of shows rose got going around like late two thousand teens or whatever like back in the day it was myself Rivero Antiwar Dot com there was no one was doing videos or anything so I had no recourse really but I had a backup Channel Day made and I just didn't like the name so I I just like our Li- `send so at the one I have now so like you can't make a new channel technically I never did. I just kept using the original old. Take us over there when you said they were flagging your unlisted stuff in your private stuff yeah that so I got you know I got banned completely in two thousand eighteen again in March and they hit they took down my website my t shirt company my Youtube facebook like everything was gone ironically -ironically except for video within would ban me on Halloween and what they do is the end of the month when they have to pay you so the very last day of the month they banned Andrey Psalm Videos into all my September prophets and all my October prophets so and that was my best month September September eleventh just been on all these new shows and stuff and took it wow plus plus. There's the money I lost where I had to go find another place that could hosmer videos and get around piracy and Blah Blah Boston but really it was it was more than what they took is the damage they did but finding bitchy are you finding less censorship and less problem L. Yeah bit. She doesn't censor my videos. It takes a long time to upload sometimes and all but this was these were videos. I was trying to sell and and so Vami was the place I could do that. And now I have to pay for the bandwidth and hosted myself on Isa's Norwegian company called Clang. Some people have problems with the a player and is that it's you know but at least they didn't send my t shirt company got taken down. They went after that. I had a shirt just said boycott. Israel like Mirror Noor Anti Semitism like cinematic talking about what doesn't matter and then with Youtube again like in February they gave me strikes and I waited the three months. Get my channel back. Start using it a couple of weeks bom. They give me three strikes again so I I was sick of it. I'm like why why are you flagging these for hate. Speech is clearly the AD L. S. P. L. C. or Shit libs whatever they just don't like whatever video and they all pile on and flagging get for hate speech now hate speech in their own rules says you're promoting violence towards it should say anybody but instead it lists. Everyone is like you you cannot promote violence towards ethnicity race. Religion Veterans Gender something on which is that you know what I mean. I heard Damn Tripoli for for tweeting somebody about correcting the term retard on twitter. He was down for a week. It's just like it's yeah well. Daniel McAdams from from the Ron Paul Institute got his twitter completely permanently banned for calling Sean Hannity Retard over something so you know you're supposed to say you're supposed those to say mentally challenged or liberal or something like that chrome challenged and what I I I put out there. You know that there is a new definition for retard it no longer describe someone who is mentally challenged describe someone who has all their faculties but he's a fucking moron. Yeah that's all. That's what it means means like. Nobody's met picking on people down syndrome or something. They're just saying that. Oh that's your targeted. Some some people say oh. That's gay whenever they're not talking about homosexuals. It is clearly like the Internet to like grow up like people talk show on the Internet Woo. Whatever get someone got called retarded. I use that word sometimes. Sometimes I call people who say the Pentagon got hit by a missile retarded. I'm like there's debris the plane in the building selected butthurt in this man and I know you've talked about and we've talked about it. It just is so infuriating when you have people focusing in utilizing their energy to go after I'm hearing more about Antonio fucking Brown. I think his name is in his helmet. Whatever then more I'm hearing about Epstein. People are so more upset about calling people racist or sexist transphobic and all that other shit when we have global global wars taking place global black market economies that are trading in human beings and drugs and body parts were children. Isn't that same they used and killed but yet we have interrelated about this other dumb shit. Sorry Oh yeah I mean I I hear you it's selective outrage and it always went on Amtrak bully the other day. We were talking about this sort of manufactured factored like acceptable outrage because no skin in the game. If I were in Libya or something then there's a whole there's huge faction against me because Obama Thomas started out so they're just going to be on that team or whatever is a conservatives are mad about can Benghazi and the liberals are mad about Volusia or whatever but they're not there's no lake doc sincere principle what stop killing Brown people or whatever and the same people that are yelling races sexes who said are supporting these war they're saying aside odd must go and supporting al-Qaeda supporting open air slavery and Libya starvation in Yemen etc the because you know their team did it so that's okay or something something. It baffles me. I'm like if you're a moral person. You have any common sense. You wouldn't want to frivolously murderer people amass. That's what we're doing. I mean war. Modern War is just a messy profiteering violence. Whatever you WANNA call it confirmation bias extreme tribalism able ISM people have so much ego wrapped up into their thoughts on geopolitics. They just have to be right. They can't take a step back or while. You'RE GONNA bomber explains it. We're we're going to get into that too man. We're GONNA get definitely into that. 'cause I found that very fascinating when you brought that up because back in the day when I read a little bit of the Unabomber's manifesto and I'm going to say this out loud right now and I'm not advocating violence or in any way shape or form advocating violence but he was raising some damn good points missiles in the nineties talking about technology and I wound up getting into in reading it. When you KINDA advocate a couple of weeks ago people need to start reading the unabomber manifesto he predicted the radicalization of the left and so we're getting read things from people who did bad things that doesn't mean there hundred percent evil and whatever I mean the guy had you know he has issues with a child genius fourth through school very young so oh intellectually he's there and he's definitely a math genius and whatnot but socially you can't take someone out of their age group and just throw him of college kids or whatever when their eleven eleven like there's it's bad but and he got he was isolated indebted at a you know people smart people can do dumb things but that doesn't change what what he said you know and saint like at? Hitler said the sky is blue doesn't mean the sky's blue you know what I mean like and what Kozinski broke down on the oversocialization allegation inferior and feelings of inferiority. I've had people read that this year and go. Oh he's talking about ANTIFA he was talking about this way before they existed did but yeah he kinda is nailing why they are the way they are whites big group of Betas and so on it's a type of psychology people. This tribalism isn't just justed be part of a group or something it's got a a deeper root in that and it's not about some sincere principle of justice otherwise this you'd see criticism from against killing across the board or something so all the stuff that they went even when they criticize imperialism to terrible things things the United States to the UK is done. They don't say the same thing for communist regimes which are guilty of as much or more of the same of more articulating starving and so on it's what they really hate is. Western ISM because they have feelings of inferiority and so anything that's associated with being rational strong any of these positive categories makes him feel worse about themselves because they don't want there to be a superior inferior so they cling onto these groups that preach each equality not in the sense of equal treatment but just like everyone's the same great that way that that levels them up rather than everybody has a participation trophy him now. They hate masculinity. They hate rationality most of the core Western values that have been conducive to success S. in the West and so the there can latch onto legitimate causes you know legit criticism of things that that have been done but the it doesn't matter the institution of Slavery etc but they don't realize that it's western Civ that ended all these practices before anyone else women's suffrage or universal suffrage child labor laws the ending slavery all these these things happen in the West. I people vote in New Zealand spread throughout West. The first people to get rid of Monarchy's in thousand years was the West the first people in the institution slavery was the West and they spread from the West into other societies. The last people were getting rid of it was the rest of the globe so where you ought to look at the West and honor and say yeah they had slaves guess. What so did everyone else yeah. They add subjugation of females so did everyone else. How do they break out of that. They broke out of that from the Western values in western philosophy that led to you know you know owning your life liberty and those those principles or what gave rise to the behaviors ended up manfully and all these institutions making more fair more free and capitalism is the best equalizer ever. Some of these Socialists are wannabe social comedy. She would think that they're reading from some playbook of these rave successes throughout history when almost literally that's not the case down killed wet fifty million really see capital jumping over fences and swimming across ditches and to get into a communist country very reason. It doesn't work welfare. Does it work. central planning doesn't work especially on the scale three hundred million people whatever you know no one even if they were a benevolent. Evelyn King or something would have the knowledge to properly no the exact amount of all industries that you have to let market forces and competition figure that out since you mentally in a prison you have market forces. She mentioned welfare not working. I have to bring up a little bit of everywhere but the immigration stuff is this being weaponized to start giving people people free shit to weaponize and create a voting block for the left to create this Socialist Marxist authoritarian state that people warnings coming. It's it's it's partly that and it's partly that just the opportunity to virtue signal because a lot of hard core leftists will do is if you oppose e legal legal immigration talking about just illegal immigration while then you're xenophobic racist and throw out all the `ISMs right in for them to support poured it then makes them feel like well. I'm not xenophobic racist and what a good boy I can pat myself on the head for doing nothing right like that's just normal to not hot like categorically hate people that should but the thing is a lot of them are racist and xenophobic and they know they're not supposed to be and so this is the way of them exercising their way out of it. Nobody's more militantly. anti-racists is someone who's just newly getting over that. You know what I mean. It's like someone that comes up to me and out of the blue says I got a lot of black friends or something. I'm like Whoa don't care. It's not a question like would you ever do that to somebody. Anglo like I think girls can work well. It's it's like Tom Arnold when he commented once. I'm back to me on twitter because my wife is an immigrant. She came from another country. We get everything legally and things like that so yeah. I I am fully against illegal. You know mass mass entry to this country. That's going on right now but you know he said. It's a matter you worried that there's going to be a Mexican mowing your yard and I go did is that all you think they're capable of disgusted right so that's the that's the thing and and they just they they the thing that's most athletic about. Liberals Liberals is that they actually think minorities need white liberals to save them like actually return Listrik racism as what it is is so bizarre was art and they just it's crazy. The subtle racism of lowered expectations Yep. That's what is that Thomas Oil. I don't know but I heard it. I think it was thirty rock. I heard in and Tracy. Morgan said that he could've stole it from somebody but I that was a great point but yeah in a year honestly ladies and gentlemen check out. If you don't WanNa fucking read there's an audio book of of the uniform and the Unabomber's manifesto I was actually I read some and then I listen to summer works but it's just like it's so you're like. WHOA dude this guy. Just write this couple of months ago this. It's it's almost thirty years ago. When you start hearing the social impact that he almost predicted published thirty years ago he wrote it before that right out in the woods and Montana just there was a there was a Netflix movie out there about him that front pretty he's like. Why did you stop at a Red Light. It was very fascinating is kind of interesting the judgment when we go back to skip to the to number eleven and read like eleven through seventeen if you're super lazy just read those six paragraphs in you'll be like reading the rest of it exactly what we go back and talk about you know the the rise of anti and all of this going on when Jeff talked previously. I was on the Andrew Wilcox but we'll come majority on the blaze. TV He had come to Washington DC to jump on his show and we talked about Anton. I I said a lot lot of the you know the mass shooting stuff and all this other stuff that's going on because boys are being D- Masculine and they're that boys are taught not to be masculine not to be strong John. They're also drugged. Ritalin and PROZAC and all this other stuff. There's forty million adults on on Secretary of drugs in America Erica alone forty million adults and I think roughly probably ten to fifteen million children are on drugs so they are just turning all these people in zombies and and I think it's maybe you've done the research on this warning but over ninety percent of the mass shootings are perpetrated by people who are raised on these drugs yeah. Sr is in particular and in paragraph. One forty five in the manifest says imagine a society that subjects people people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction is already starting to have that's what he was talking about and this is before the PROZAC and Wellbutrin and all the rest of the whatever axioms and stuff ask your doctor. Ask Your doctor they they that was something when I came back from Japan one time and I've lived on American TV. There are commercials for prescription drugs. Isn't that weird. I know slight like there's prescriptions so there should be based on your symptoms and then a physician says. Oh you have these symptoms. This is a drug for you. They're like no ask your doctor about. Blah Blah Blah and then have commercial marshall is you're. GonNa lead out of your eyes. You'RE GONNA shit spontaneous possible cardiac arrest suicide depression like your suicide side. Almost billion dollars is spent every year by phone companies in advertising so you think about the networks they literally we couldn't survive without those ads you know the the the evening anchor or less whole certainly would be driving. Mercedes Benz if FIRMA cynical wasn't advertising on their station. It's gross. I mean just like the soap. Opera became the soap opera back in the day. Now it's the that's why I call it now. The military-industrial leterrier dust telecommunications pharmaceutical complex because the level of the dollars is right up there with all these military defense. I think that's why they also also try to Hollywood when I'm saying they tries to stigmatize what little masculine programs and things are with like whether it's professional wrestling or UFC or whatever they try and be like all this offer dumb redneck or preservatives and just the the idea of the redneck the people actually rose up with guns and federal government for Labor Rights this idea of self sufficiency and hunting and any anything that has to do with masculinity is is portrayed as backwards and dumb and negatively. I mean I remember when I was a kid all the Joe. Gi Hey joe transformers got just yanked off the airman. Whatever happened that year legislatively all of that was gone and it got replaced with snorkel and just the man yeah we had over hawks the whole nine but it was just gone after like wanted. Something happened a lot of it was Japanese programs Voltron Toronto transformers for example but then yet the the toy company's marketing to young boys were who put out he-man for example. which was a huge success? I mean they made over four hundred thirty million dollars and it dropped down to just think eight million here. It's coming out. I saw that I saw that. I hear it's coming back. Though I hear they're bringing some humane back well if they could. Redo the movie we'd be Kazaa that was painful. That was totally painful but we watched though right as kids were like this is awesome only historical perspective. Can we be dialysis terrible even saying it was like it was a he-man seaman movie but it was about Courtney Cox breaking up the point in front or something very much Ad. He's like that early Captain America Marin Doll Film. He got blown up. He got shot by shotgun on from Dolphin. I said you gotta say it was like just three days of shooting and he was in. He actually kept them in for a couple of scenes. Whatever but I asked awesome the telemark you gotTa tell them how how great he was the first thing he's like he did he goes. I'm going to enjoy shooting you. He never did bounce back from that diddy. No He's supposed to be dead after the shot oh you mean yeah did well with rocky and I didn't know what the new ten languages like. I was you know he's like an MIT. He's a he's a Kuczynski in the waiting. Maybe maybe I don't know I wasn't the guy who played boss Hogg. I forget his name the Dukes of Hazzard he's same thing spoke like all these language and he worked for the CIA Jefferson Davis but we look at that with the Sky Q. Rash go train. We move on these gentleman. I didn't Care Bush and Cheney a little bit yeah. The little fat debut the only thing here rush Google. Try exactly you know the dog's name Flash was a PIMP so we're moving on man tomorrow and Daisy Duke Started Daisy Dukes he she did and they they changed. Generally is the S. J. W. Wars. Where is that flag slavery triggered his name Roscoe he he was Ab- Senator or Congressman from Iowa Pat the I forget his cooter became a congressman from Virginia was Virginia? Okay my bad yeah. I'm sorry cooter. That's different. Yeah BRASCO Roscoe. I think was an Iowa. He just died recently. Roscoe live summer or maybe but the conversation Grassley all over the place nine one one is upon US Ladies Gentlemen. It is actually nine eleven where you're adding hat and Tokyo Japan today right now. It will be nine eleven tomorrow for us. Gosh I you know be another youtube motivated attack. You know enough video that inspires people to do it because he actually sent pat. You remembered I like to buy this youtube. Video did standing in front of the caskets of the dead family. We just had on before for this episode Chris Parental Cristiano Ronaldo Dude who was one of the bad ass. You survived that whole thing and it's it's a harrowing story Dude. I can't even begin to imagine his frustration. The station of the frustration of any of those guys like what you turn down order for help like what we talking about like on the way we can't go insane and I was like hey how how abnormal was that for that to happen. He's very thought ship yeah so it's here. It's it's here what eighteen nineteen years in deep you know. I don't know where almost likely fifty five years later. We still think we harvey Oswald did it. You know that day we had multiple attacks one building to building Pentagon Shanksville. Two buildings collapsed one. I mean we were also psychologically traumatized. That was almost a point to open this checkbook this war on Antero. This never ending war here. We are eighteen years later still in Iraq still in Afghanistan expanding it to Iran possibly in these other places arming arming places in Syria cetera based on al Qaeda arming al-Qaeda. Whether it's whether it's the people who actually fucking supposedly did it Saudi Arabia giving them two hundred billion dollars of weapons which is just insane in itself. How how far have we come do. Are we getting any hip to what's going on because this never ending war is continuing whether Bolton's there or not Wesley Clark Senate ages ago Iran's on the list Lebanon's on the list. We're seeing developments there with Hezbollah. What's going on that? We're going to be seeing more and more of this by the way I doubt it. The problem is almost the entirety tirkey. This is saying the same thing with Kennedy and nine eleven they focused. They're obsessed with physics right with Kennedy. All they talk about magic bullet. NAMI shots exactly this is instant edited out. Yup and not looking at the politics of it. It was nine eleven the the loudest voices are the ones that talk about mobile been seven and how it looks like Bhai eyeball knit demolition or something and not looking at the politics of it at all and shit our own F. B. I. Has Saudi royals funding at least three the hijackers probably how why so absolutely insane that the skies were empty except for the bin Laden family two or three days after it happened like what what the fuck dude how there was another attempted hijacking on the thirteenth to ever heard that all all ten of them got arrested nine. Emma released the only one they kept us the pilot and what was weird is he was a pilot posing as a different pilot so he actually could fly but his his iden- stuff was faking based on a different pilot but and that's that's all of my film. We've explained all that that that section of it there is a guy named Nelson Nelson Martin. He made a film called six on seventy seven that talks about that a little bit too a building seven. I jacker flight seventy seven rather than than five thought a building seven blatantly collapsing like the sands in Las Vegas like we all kind of know that isn't kind of just a blatant red. Ed Pill almost like an Epstein dying might my mom called me and like Jeff what the Hell's going like. She's not a conspiracy theorist but it was one of those like everyone knew something was up when that happened when you see a building living seven collapse. Isn't it like a w moment like all right dude what and then you find out what always there unless you caught it live. YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T Z. Building seven collapse until around two thousand six when Youtube comes about because it just was on TV and then done right and so it they announced that it had collapsed at ten forty five in the morning everyone says Oh yeah on the BBC they announced it like just twenty seconds before art fellow every way before that on several different channels and I've catalog law CPA Jeff. My face catalogued catalogued it in my in more about exception so you can see the reports thing is Fox and CBS and CNN and they're saying in the Fire Department saying fifty story building fell in forty seven but there's so much smoke around ground zero. You can't see but it maybe it was supposed to fall then but it hadn't but it was is let allowed to burn uncontrollably for seven hours so the fact that it would fall eventually with uncontrolled fires for seven hours really isn't don't that big mystery. WHAT'S WEIRD. Is them announcing that it had fallen hours before it did and then announcing minutes before where did again. That's where it gets a little screw. You not feel like we're going to be like well. What I feel is. It's not a not the best star we away stronger evidence than people arguing about whether or not it was demolished or Bern just based on looking at health fell. You know like we caught explosive devices in the parking garage in vans in the World Trade Centers on Nile reported live. That's like suggest. Why are you talking about this over here. When you got known vans with bombs in never sure and shall we go where this company goes back to because they got arrested. Did they had foreknowledge nine eleven Miami. FBI field office is telling new work. Oh did you know that one of the nine eleven hijackers actually use this moving company to go from Florida to New Jersey right right all right all the story of the dancing Israelis etc like that they have to distract from that so what happens is you get an obsession with physics. The dumbest thing was the Pentagon stopped because it's part of the not the first note Planer of all four plains eventually. They'd say we're holograms. Whatever right I will planer thing was the Pentagon and it's real simple disinformation. If there's no plane there's no hijackers akers no hijacker new paper trail back to foreign state support but if you have a plane then you have hijackers and then you see the Saudi royal you see the Israeli role but if he can get if you can say the hijackers are still alive like basically anything that ever his mouth Zach that that was disseminated everywhere as all mice base. I got a physical. DVD in the mail right and there's nothing in that movie nothing that's correct is all disenfranchised from start refinish yelling. I got right was the date I I think it's Burma's. Jason Burma's promoting again. I think it was the second edition or whatever but no I mean I I totally all this nonsense and like there's what baseman though I mean I agree dude. I mean that's that's that's been since time immemorial what you just said like. God I mean ever since I was a kid and JFK was my thing. He was always about how many shooters will know. James Tag got hit with Michelle and he was all about that day who shot from where the dog takes Billingham about how many shots could Oswald get off from forensic ballistics standpoint. If you're a nerd like that that's cool but I'm a history guy so it's like that's when we start getting to this kind of circumstantial evidence flaky better evidence right as far as physics go. Kennedy's brain went out the back of his head. He gets for sure front period. That's that's that you don't need to spend so so much time on the on the physics and stuff like RFK was prosecuting the mob. the mob was blackmailing hoover. They're looking Johnson changed and what he didn't change nothing to do with the Federal Reserve by the way that was one I jumped eleven zero had nothing to do with it. 'cause that pass staunton didn't reverse. It stayed on the books until the eighties. All it did was limit who could issue silver certificates. It actually was pro fed. No one even bothered to read it. I mean just go and look up the order and read it doesn't do what you think it did. Kennedy was profane and they were all money like he gets unfairly romanticized by one side and demonized by the other there but Kennedy really pissed off certain factions that that needed him to die and all the people around him and you have to include his brother's death into it to like and rather than having to separates theory for everything might take on Kennedy once explained people are like Oh Dang. That's that's what happened. I mean it makes perfect sense. It just takes a long time to say well. Hopefully we have to be initiated in the mob like know about what was going on already for you can start explaining you know yeah well. There's really good on that as Doug Valentine is very good on the golden age of the MOB Lansky and Hank Greenspun respite Irma is a got a lot of good documents on Greenspun he was a weapons runner but he also used his prophets is set up modalities in the Flamingo hotel to cover bugsy Siegel's operations and eventually sold it to the for Titas is better for you. I didn't say their name talking. They didn't do it and they just bought it from mobsters right when it was weird 'cause like I said intermarriage in the families though I've I've chewed on so much of the JFK stuff and you hit me up to a lot of stuff kind of the the Israeli role with Kennedy went to inspect a nuclear sites. It's over there as well as you know you heard about the Mafia the mafia and I never really looked at the Russians slash kind of Jewish mafia in that role and then I started reaching more deep into my lands he just I me granted. The Italian mafia was powerful as well but the mafia was was just created the top two and they overlap here and there yeah Jacob Rubinstein that shoots ause wom long right Carlos Marcello is Italian I guess but he and Traffic Kante were moving drugs and guns back and forth Israel Israel and and easy we needed. We're jumping ahead because we need to have you for this is September eleventh. We're now. We're talking. The focusing on the physics exactly exactly exactly so Ryan at maximum. Do is tell you what didn't happen. Exact doesn't tell you what did happen precisely and getting more into that the politics of nine eleven I mean I was you know right. We have some time here so if you can break down how it wasn't nineteen. Saudi hijackers with box cutters right well the only fifteen of those nineteen were Saudi or had Saudi passports. Okay Springfield they are on the fast track program so just because data passport from there doesn't even really mean that Greenland those those passwords being acquired was that the fast track program set up by our own. CIA that was John Brennan. I thought there was a name attached to it but maybe not why I mean like who set up the whole program was the CIA though okay they they let them in. I mean they let in daylight in the blind shake before the World Trade Center bombing of Nineteen Ninety three he was in an Egyptian prison. How the hell did he get in. One of those guys had a recording the FBI was setting them up like the FBI gave him the explosives for that for that. I run you familiar with that yeah. Salam said he was there in format and I was telling his handlers look this. This is the target there here's our warehouse. They're making the bomb. They pulled him off the case. They says because he wanted more more money. Give them the money see. They were obsessed. There were like we and we're not worried about them. we we want you where wire and get the blinds shades to incriminate himself so that we can get the blind shake and he did that but they still never swoop down and because he was pulled off the case. Ace as the bombmaker they lost their informant and then Ramzy Yussef was sent to replace him there and he's the real mastermind of nine eleven is Ramzy Yussef so one one that formulated the millennial platinum Jinx plot and using airplanes as weapons he did successfully pull off the ninety three bombing and wasn't caught for another year ear so he's in prison with Kaczynski right now same spot in Colorado get yet. He hasn't been suicide Epstein Yeah. He's in Colorado so so so the major politics behind it my friend. I mean you're looking at now. Eighteen twenty years of defense contracts excahnge private contractors trillions trillions of dollars redrawing the map balkanisation of certain regions throughout the World Middle East Africa were moving into South America Etcetera Etcetera Cetera what what was it about man what Ki- Bono who benefited and what was it we all about a lot of industries profited from this new war on terror brought to replace the Cold War the Cold War used to be the Alan call it a budgetary excuse because it really was a Cold War. There really was a Soviet eating all but it was good for business right now like I'm not saying they manufactured or anything it was real but that was the gift that kept on giving and they would over exaggerate adrain threads and sometimes they invented them like I have a film called decades deception that shows a lot of shenanigans that happened in Central America where the Americans Erickson's brought in our the CIA brought in our own guns pointed to him and said look the Soviets and went in right and so a lot of things overblown but the Cold War for was an excuse really wasn't a Cold War. Millions of people died. Millions of Vietnamese were killed. people die in the Bay of Pigs. There is a lot of fighting Afghanistan Astana especially that a lot of people died in the quote Unquote Cold War. But it was Moseley I guess mostly foreigners we did lose tens of thousands thousands of Vietnam supposedly fighting communism but it was really for Bell helicopter and heroin call it the the warfare went and helicopters but that with the Soviet Union falling and throughout the nineties Clinton actually closing bases down and they were looking for something and they tried hi domestic terrorism I and KC and going after white supremacist groups and stuff but that just wasn't everyone knows it isn't real enough and you know it wasn't there the Oklahoma City bombing was the largest terrorist attack on American soil after Waco until September eleventh right but with September eleventh with you had all these neo cons in the Bush administration who had been pushing. They tried to blackmail Clinton into a war in Iraq to that's how he got Lewinsky and he did bomb them while he was being convicted and when the Senate didn't confirm his impeachment then he called off the attack so went into Bosnia ended other plainy bad things both twenty as far as Bush that Lewinsky Lewinsky was a possible intelligence plaza honey trap one hundred percent who saves address with cement on it. Come among honey. Linda tripp the hottest chick on the planet star who was also a lawyer for Epstein. Emmy's in it's in that whole click on his map. GET GET INTO WE'RE GONNA get to it but yeah that the purpose of nine eleven for the US incentive was replacing the Cold War the war on terror a were they can never end because it's a warrant tactic. You know I remember eating data and the what was it Brzezinski Book the Grand Chessboard. I think it's like the first couple of paragraphs it's like the US must always have a stronghold in Eurasia whatever Goldstein yeah and he's he's the father of yeah exactly and he's the father of funding the first mujahideen against the Soviets which was obviously in our benefit but that kept going on throughout throughout decades and that's essentially essentially kind of what we're seeing now bro the byproduct as we know of nine eleven is US funding all these proxy armies and set up a so the US I was the US in Israel have already been joined at the hip since assassinating Kennedy and in one thousand nine hundred seventy six brought the Saudis into the fray because in response lost to the competitor or seventy three the there was the OPEC royal weapon so there were gas lines in the seventies and they realized we can't beat you militarily we can't be checking but we have this vital resource and if all of us Jack up the price you can't afford it so they needed to break up OPEC in the Middle East as the country with the most oil reserves Saudi Arabia so they if we can get Saudi Arabia OPEC is done because you can't have a cartel wants. There's a rate breaker right so so they they pulled the Saudis into their wing to join with the Israelis into this next is called a safari club the French the Moroccans others remembers and so is Iran but only for a couple years because after the revolution seventy-nine they're out of the Click of course but people don't understand that these will hobby and Zionist Zionist these religious fanatics. They're useful cannon fodder right. It's useful rhetoric to generate wars with their neighbors and people think Saudi Arabia and Israel at odds not at all I mean they're both funding Isis right now and they both they both supported al-Qaeda but one of the other thing that makes Saudi Arabia a soft target is is the monarchy you only need to bribe a few people and you got control the whole country right and they also need to have a this Milton Islamically form of Islam because the justification to have a monarchy is from their religion so it they need to have that needs to be the Sunni version and not Shiite version otherwise otherwise different family. You'll get it so that's the real political tension behind the supposed. Theological debate is not the debate anymore than Protestants and Catholics. I mean it's almost the same faith just a little bit lineage of Mohammed whatever that's not it. It's about tribal nepotism. If this groups empower this group gets all the jobs other groups in power that one gets all the job that's really the real tension is but Saudi Arabia with the royals was able to set up a foreign bank uncalled. BC CI which was used to launder money to terrorist they needed a way to off the books push money and wash money and get it to out what's now al Qaeda and in Afghanistan for example and a lot of groups throughout Eastern Europe Etcetera Sandra and the source of the money of course was the narcotics trade that was a big chunk of it heroin from Vietnam for example and and then once they have the narcotic straight. That's an off the books budget but then you can't just give somebody billions of dollars on explain like how they get all was money and guns right so that you have to say they're selling narcotics right. They're the ones running the opium trade in Afghanistan and make all money into helicopters and stuff like that you know I hope so that's BCC. I was able to to funnel money and wash it and the Saudi set up this bank in in Pakistan physically but his Assad creation that was the role in in this is of these rallies had a most translators leaders in intelligence on the entire Arab world was from them. Our offices really don't have that many translators. It can't speak Farsi can't speak Turkish Gains Begajah designee that we don't really have a lot of linguists these rallies do in the US lied heavily on them for intelligence in that region of the world and of course they always lied to us uh-huh and there's also a lot of just religious ideological overlap between Christian Zionists and and so they just are on team team Israel because that's what they're familiar with you know and also people need to steal stuff from on the other side so go to go against the side. That has the resources you want. Israel doesn't really have much in the way of role resources or anything that we're going to talk about what they did get a certain company of of that faith or of that ilk drilling rights in the Golan Heights but as any land tube connections genie energy and we're going to love that that it is nothing compared to the amount of money that's under the sand that they stole from Iraq that they stole from the finessed from Saudi Arabia Cetera but well and again it was already the in place before nine eleven. I want to stress people that these rallies and the Saudis Israel and US work together in Iran Contra two but these international clicks it's not just the CIA or something kid the Massad and see I have been working for decades already financing in creating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and then after after nine eleven you see these same factions running guns and money and supporting Isis and al Qaeda in Syria so if they're supporting al-Qaeda in creating al Qaeda before nine eleven the supporting al-Qaeda after nine eleven but you WanNa think during nine eleven at none of these group they were just completely independent did that all by themselves but but none of these intelligence agencies had anything to do with it. That's so naive right and we have evidence of it. The problem is I think it was a they had a green in light. It's not like they did this a high in America's back. We all did it. Robert Mueller covered up for the Saudis Excuses Al Bandar Bush is so close to the Bush would be embarrassing for the president or something now you in that relationship and go after I mean it wasn't that is because the whole thing we come down and the Israelis really have Saudi by the shorthairs right now because if Saudi Arabia doesn't you know do we say up oil production in order or lower if they don't act as a proxy against Iran if they don't behave at any moment Israel which definitely runs our our press can say Bam Saudi Arabia Bandar Bush in Princeton been Turk facile through their wives sent money to o'meara Humana Sambas nonoo finance hijackers in California and Louisiana Khalid Al militaire and Alhazmi then they were pilots. They were on flight. I seventy seven not pilots on flight. Seventy seven hit the Pentagon and is important to admit that hit the Pentagon because if you don't have that plane then you don't have them and they don't have them Saudi connection but they have that blackmail over Saudi Arabia forever. They're not going to report on their own role. Nine eleven and Saudi Arabia can't report on it because Saudi Arabia doesn't run the press right the Israel has huge influence over our media. I mean there's a forty five year conflict in Palestine and we still call Jewish colonies neighborhoods Blake they top the bottom a run the show on on the propaganda the Middle East in the morning of all these talking about snipers. He didn't kiss genitals. Commits gets the balls and they sit out in lawn chairs and watch his Gaza gets bombed is horrific but the thing is Saudi. Arabia has a very bad public image of the United States. Where's Israel's get pretty good image for the plant based so if it came out in the media that Saudi Arabia had a role in nine eleven other toast. It's literally toast will be. I mean if if Israel decided that Salvador. AB is getting out of line. All they gotta do is simultaneously. They have their talking heads. Explain any of the known points that are already admitted in the J. 's report and others that Saudi Arabia royals finance nine eleven hijackers. Oh Oh cramp has all they gotta do and it was interesting like do you remember the twenty-eight. Pages Am yes twenty I already in my film year and a half and four to the the Scott unredacted written out everything that was in the twenty-eight pages and was able to do that because I went to the same field office primary sources and read exactly where they read it from at which you know took a few years in all and it was a little bit of pain but you already had that information and a few people were talking about it but you know what's interesting is if this is legit and it is and it's all FBI field office reports from mainly the West Coast. We're like from Phoenix and Denver and and like all west of the Mississippi Obese and this is where you're getting your Intel on the Saudi role in nine eleven I art and giving them logistical support and buying an apartment living with them for a month beheaded a Saudi informant live with them for a month. The other guy lived across the street from one of them got a job. This is they've been handled given because they couldn't speak English. They had people there helping them holding their hand the whole way the plane to go east and all that and yet wouldn't you then. WanNa read the field office reports from the East to when you WanNa know what Miami said what Newark said Arseny say right and almost nobody bothered to look at it but if you look at it it goes all into the Israeli role inside that was almost almost lunacy for supposedly these fifteen new intelligence agencies because excuse me. FBI doesn't talk to the CIA the CIA FBI so we need to create all these new intelligence agency so communication education could be augmented well. They wanted the DHS is the hub because they're they always blame incompetence but they're excuse because because these hijackers that Saudi Arabia was financing were known already as al Qaeda members they had been witnessed meeting Khalid Sheikh Muhammad in Malaysia at Al Qaeda summit meaning and do an al-Qaeda j. They al Qaeda had the meeting Larry but all the al Qaeda heads are there and these guys who were going to flight schools who are meeting with and stayed the night right with a colleague. Muhammad are then living in the United States with their real names with Saudi informant who bought them a house like it's insane insane the levels of logistical and financial support that they got from Saudi Arabia but are unseen did not inform the FBI that these two had entered the country gene. We're living in California. They didn't tell them until August the two thousand one and by then they weren't in California anymore. They'd moved over to the East River Getting Ready to do nine eleven so there's no excuse for that why didn't the CIA tell the FBI was going on with the obviously like they're supposed to reach their the target we are shielding them from local law enforcement and let because it's not like everyone's on this you know the top bottleneck so police who are trying who were monitoring people and and the FBI who are trying to follow al-Qaeda suspects in east every time they try to get into their telecommunications processes assesses they'd change them is like the they kept staying two steps ahead of them and we found out later that come converse infoseek two Israeli software programs fifty percent owned by the Israeli government had a backdoor channel so I'll communications San were they actually removing the hijackers around physically move them around with they had six different moving companies. One of them was called Bourbon moving systems heard of that one another yeah then there was white white glove and the one that got caught moving was something internationalized. I'm getting a brain fart. I've explained this so many times. All the plastic asked ago is called Classic International Movers that one moved nine eleven hijackers from Florida. Up to New Jersey and there seems to be more but it's all redacted but when you have pages of white it out information that means something bad they don't want you to now right but you can infer Rosetta stone a lot of it because it had six reports and they didn't reject this exact same things each report so you can kind of piece together for just one has dissenters thou an assessment as he can get the most of the story and you can get the names because the names were in the police report and then the FBI doesn't have the names but it has their dates of birth to meet so we combining the two it it was a lot of legwork but I put it all together and put it all on a movie but explains this is really role and these front companies Dominick Suter who ran urban moving systems in New Jersey fled to Israel he left furniture stranded just sitting in the Warehouse Lake mid move close the business and ran away because five of his his employees were busted van that had traces of explosives hood earlier in the day been witnessed celebrating the nine eleven attacks there are pictures of the now that released last. May they whited out faces but I took their mugshots and put them on top of the white squares China would probably look like there is celebrating the attacks and then you did the FBI files you find out the driver of the Van Savan Curse Berg he had actually been to Doric towers where where they were seeing celebrating ratings standing up on top of the van and flicking lighters on September tenth the day before nine eleven they were there are eight in the morning the tax don't happen until forty five five minutes later so they're just sitting there smoking cigarettes in parking lot looking at the World Trade Center is waiting for this to happen then they're taking pictures there filming it the celebrating their getting a van and drive away so what trump said some other dancing. Arabs was he just missed dancing middle easterners yeah whatever it was labor for the Middle East from Israel era okay my he heathen inflated that because Dan Rathers went on with David Letterman Letterman I believe it was he went on what one of these late shows and was talking about the people across the Hudson River celebrating and but he didn't know they were Isreaeli at once it came out that they were you'd never heard about this story again on TV but they were celebrating because they knew and this is not the the Assad. These are not the people that the team. These guys are in their twenties. These aren't cracked season Masada agents. This is like the C team at best right. Foreknowledge didn't have enough disappointed. Just lock shut up right. They had to go there and film and get their trophy videos. Yeah I have an inner spat on my discord. I want these kids to sort out on their own. They when it comes to these companies these companies then dissolved right after all of them or do they still exist. I mean because obviously we know the. CIA has a lot of different types of companies for operations France. Well what was interesting is by glove movers their two companies with the the same name and so it seems like what they did is they. I think one's white glove ones white gloves zoo or something like we let are different or whatever and I don't on anybody. Let go and harassed them. They had nothing to do with it but they are. They got they took names that were pretty close to companies actually already existed but dominy suitor took out a half million dollar loan just in two thousand one nothing prior obviously nothing after twelve in the afternoon on nine eleven he shut his doors and ran away it and he and his wife lead back to Israel on the first plane available and we're out of there the employees that were caught they they had had a huge party already on September tenth and I have the fires for the DJ that they use so I contacted. Dj The music in Brooklyn where the brothers were Paulus Savan curse bird and your Schnell was there are more sorry. Amir memorial was there and elmer was there Karen something another Zehr December first name but all these people from these different moving companies were having this huge party in Brooklyn and as you do on a random Monday in September on a minimum wage furniture moving jobs breath but they go there celebrating again after the planes hit there filming it and then they got up on the roof of urban moving systems because both towers had been hit already and they're filming them collapse right there and a weird thing. That's in the report. Is Somebody says to memory because it's in his interrogation so I know who's being talked to but but I don't know which one of them I think it's yarn she will just based on the man of letters in the white space but whatever it could also be dominick suter. He doesn't have a C in his name by the way Somebody told him come up to the roof. They're about to take down the second building and it's like he thought they meant the authorities like the Americans took it down on purpose so it didn't go like that and crush a bunch of buildings. Whatever because this guy really wasn't part of the click he'd only been there a couple of weeks. He he only joined the the buck he was in the secondary business of like building boxes and stuffy wasn't even a mover but he was there because he wrecked. Sifang Curse Berg and and he had served in the army together and he just noticed them one day and it's like Oh yeah I can get you a job doing this so he was shut his mouth or kept out Lou blue because they would have private meetings the Hungarians and Russians the guys that actually did the lifting in the work work for moves would say that the Israelis would have these private meetings in Hebrew whether they were not privy to and I doubt they're talking about you know strategies for moving couches or something but they were in there. There were seventeen computer hard drives for this little moving operation right which had been confiscated but we don't know what's on them. I'd love to know and that's something that we ought to have attention on. In Foia Requests Worse I find out what's on these hard rows but nope and a guy that really stuck it to him. On this is Justin Raimondo from antiwar dot com he wrote a book called the terror Anathema Israel and I never connection he passed away in June this year but that guy was on top of this from the beginning but he got so inundated with the Cook Movement like attacking him that he just gave it just stop talking about it right but he he followed the all the primary sources verses on the day of the Jewish daily forward the Bergen Record from New Jersey reports Army Radio everything that was going on in the day. If you piece it all together he started getting this more clear picture about these guys now these guys they're just sort of like the avenue to a bunch of other characters and more and all all the other fronts and it but they're the ones they're the morons that sat there and celebrating got caught and thrown in prison. He's right and I have their interogations allegations. Even if it's even though they're heavily heavily redacted as a lot you can deduce years apart in there with you refer to the brothers so I know savant Paul Brothers brothers. Mike von not want Paul's that was Maury. These two can only be you know that kind of deductions stuff there is also a part where they forgot to redact a footnote about the Jewish Agency when Paul Curse Berg at one that failed his polygraph test even though he he refused to take one for months they all failed by the way he say and that they were sent there by the Jewish Agency on the Jewish Agency which was the precursor to the Israeli government in the the war in forty eight now deal with moving around I- aspirin and stuff like Abbott. We all they ever well-known. Everybody knows there's plenty of books about it that they're they're a massad like operation that the but they what they do specialize on spying on Arab terrorists and infiltrating groups in blaming things on others there's and false flags that is there by deception by way of this get this the wealthiest man in Israel or time. Wertheimer is on the Board of governors for the Jewish Agency. This is the man that had the police commissioner of New York fly to Israel on August twenty six to the twenty nine and gave him a quarter million dollars in in a loan that had no no contract running away when you have to pay this back or what it's four innings rainy directly he did it through a middleman named bobby Witt cough who moves marble around in New York which is deeply tied to the Gambino family and data which Charac then later went to prison for ten years for his role in fraud and also a taking bribes from the mafia to give them specific contracts and building owning signing Louis Up and the guy found a nine eleven passport. He's the police commissioner he's been taking a quarter quarter million dollars through an intermediary from their wealthiest man in Israel on the Board of Governors of the Jewish Agency who sent the people there for a moving company caught celebrating the tax and also traces of explosives in their van. Now other vans are also found that day in Pennsylvania and in New York and is it's his long long web. I made a five hour documentary about it but very interesting wanted the Arrow trucks outfit which is what they use to make their moving vans. You just put your logo. Oh go on generic truck right is was in Tennessee and a lot of these guys got driver's license in Tennessee is you don't need or at that time time. You didn't need a social security number to get a license in Tennessee and that's to make it easier because there's a lotta trucking in Tennessee Fedex cetera all move through there and so that's why they did that. You're not thinking nine eleven's we gotta happen but there was a serendipitous case where as tragic news people died but the the DMV did a stake had the I was watching them and did a sting on a group that was getting a lot of ideas for people shouldn't have them and there is a focus on this DMV employing Catherine Smith who is getting these licenses for people who are doing whatever with them in these Arrow trucks and staying hits six guys in the parking lot of the DMV the ringleader was named Kaleo Dolla who had bought a car for Catherine get that's where she got her car and five other guys all from you can guess where and on the one of them this guy named secure. MoD who had a cousin also last name Hamade MoD- who is in the World Trade Center he had a card for this Denko mechanical magic heating and Plumbing Company didn't exist by the way that allow an pass asked to do work in the basement levels of the World Trade Center dated September fifth and they asked him. What were you guys doing there. They said they're they're working on the sprinkler systems the fire prevention systems that failed by the way so they were breaking the fiber systems and you can bet there was a team the other tower. They just didn't get caught because if they're in. I think this was the South Tower there in the north tower and so the fire prevention systems if you don't have if that doesn't come on in you hit ninety some floors up in the air. You're almost guaranteed that at least part of the building's going to collapse like if you can't get hoses on it and you you don't have any water coming down as it should be. You're you're you're maximizing damage. He maximizing your your ability to do damage and and so to Melt Steel Ryan you don't have to melt steel just have to weaken it enough to drop loads for that for a night to be to be L. to bear the weight above it. What happened wasn't the steel beams melting or breaking it was the joints that connect them that gave way and it is enough to to do that. I'm not GonNa Argue about physics you know I I was I was having around. There needs to wave band. There's there's a molten metal not molten. There needs to be a band combining the JFK in the nine eleven called took the band. The band is the banking in the towers I'm giving you names in this physics right so I'm like no. I'm not even going there with the band is called single pancake theory. That's the name of the band combined. It's what people do is. They're judging they're watching. This is lasting on physics where they're looking at exterior career the building going like that right but they don't understand that behind those walls inside. That's already collapsed. It's group structure most out on the upper floors awards. It doesn't have the beams all the way up to ninety four only went up like thirty two levels and then switched so the concrete can be pulverized and I mean there's still bill in the concrete but he is smaller as tapers as you go up but this is called a tube structure was all the bang in the sixties what you're seeing go down has already been gutted for lie and you've got a third of the building dropping the amount the impact that that would make folly one floor. Renault fires at all whatever is about ten percent of the Hiroshima bomb like it was gonna plow right through that. It's not it's not a mystery. If you WANNA talk to real engineers and stuff not eighty nine in eleven eighty nine elevens the same group said on airplane would have to smash through six reinforced walls at the Pentagon steel and concrete not true the Pentagon Pentagon shaped like a crown that king would wear is got rings on the top and it's just one straight tube on the bottom plane went in one wall and the landing ending gear punched a hole in the ceiling it. The rest is just sheet rock and stuff. There aren't six rings. That's all bull. If you don't know what the architecture of a building is is that you don't get to have in architectural opinion word engineering opinion road you know at the building like now like this the same charlatans run around they have this new study from Alaska Lear did it twenty seventeen and they didn't fix any of the problems they did two years ago. It's I don't even want to I get real triggered on that with multiple the larger question bro I mean that's I mean he's is in Tennessee by the way thrown in prison except for the ringleader guess where he goes Israel dislike dominick suter. They let him leave but his fall guys they're in prison. They're not in prison for nine eleven. They're in prison for false. ID's and so on but they want to question them about the role nine eleven leg. Hey what's going on there. y you guys doing work in the basement the sprinkler systems when the Port Authority didn't hire you and the Pe- as one in charge of that now the PA at that time they're the ones that sold the properties Larry Larry Silverstein just before nine eleven right in Kushner Charles Kushner is one is trying to finesse himself becomes chairman of the PA later but and bought what up property I was about that fifty million square feet just in case something happened. All these people have somewhere to go like they're all the living following the financial trail so much there and people don't ball. You'd help me out with a perfect segue bro so that was a you know you gotta appreciate. Ryan's analysis on Hafid Smith was murdered the day before the trial burned alive so severely burned arms had fallen off her body and her car was was burned. Everything was burned so the key witness in that case was murdered while they're in prison except for that which means someone out of the prison had killer and FBI agent you Susan Nash reported as in USA Today and some other papers. There's gasoline in her clothing. So that's arsonists murder. She didn't dunk when people commit suicide they take pills a hang up very very few people burn themselves to death now and women especially if it is a violent death is usually men choose that women the day before trial don't set themselves on fire in their car recently charged the White House and sent them so fired charge the White House Askari Shit but no this is a perfect perfect segue my friend I mean the finances that are always all over this you go back to your BCCI and now we're we're seeing the new incarnation of the BCCI's essentially and helped me out HSBC. We're going to talk with Jeffrey Epstein my friend and while we've I've heard in the news for years quite frankly about Jeffrey Epstein's has proclivities in everything relating to his sexual proclivities and and I don't mean to make light of this but we're we're gonNA find out that it goes well beyond that leasing gentlemen. They worked hard in. They played hard. Jeffrey Epstein was a part of not just facilitating the trafficking of children. He was washing the money for drugs arms guns in this goes back a very very long way and I'm going to put a link to well. Ryan has done. It's essentially he calls it. I the Epstein maps and it's essentially a flow chart. You know what I mean of all these different associations and it'll blow your fucking mind how it goes are necessary because it's so many names and business so so many so many that we've all heard of you know. Seagram's brought you know the broth the Wagner's Victoria's secrets. It's in saying mainly the mega. I'm going to ask you all about that so as we kind of wind down and we're GONNA wind down with this subject but I'm GonNa more kind of throw out names in kind of association and you kind of explain who this is but I mean just overall Jeffrey Epstein. This guy in my opinion was was a part of the Mossad operation honeypot blackmail operation operation blackmailing people to like you said earlier whether it's politics or whatever it is basically to get periods of mostly trying to steal technology and scientific and that's another that's what I WANNA get into how how tech companies are hugely hugely related to this. This involves nexium to you guys smallville the Allison Mack who was just pinched with the whole smallwood because her family the WHO is the daughters of Charles Bronfman were involved with Clare Bronfman Rothman guilty so off the top. Jeffrey Epstein is arrested once again not a while ago and two thousand four has got a sweetheart deal from I guess the US Attorney at the time in Florida who wanted becoming the Labor Secretary of trump Mister Acosta who was relieved of his duties recently but epsteins arrested and we all were like what the fuck he's arrested. That's crazy. There's this into the whole like who's the white hat trumpet rising thing that to me again that yeah I was wondering shocking thing and the whole thing is oh. You really rearrested him. Okay so who did that. Who is obviously clearly. It's not the deep state because they don't do you think he's dead first of all. Do you think he's actually did oh yeah because he's useless alive. He can't do anything for him. He's got too much heat on them and peace marches started talking to other inmates whatever they're toast and he was. GonNa plea bargain that Little Sissy. She couldn't stay in jail like he'd never really gone to jail before he lived in a apartment adjacent to the jail and six days a week he got on release right where he's still media and even told. Clinton be arrested for this and that I mean he was he had some juice. The guy had definitely have some juice and we're going to get into the last thing he said is. C- on Sunday Yeah Right he twelve hours a day was meeting with attorneys. He was still having sex he was having female lawyers come in on conjugal visits and he would go meet with them. He was still you know you. He's still laughing at at all and he thought he could get out on appeal and he'd be able to have house arrest in York mansion and continue his life and they needed him him away because gelling maxwell can disappear and has as Yali Brunell can disappear and has but there's certain people can't disappear prince. Andrew can't can't disappear to let let's do it. Let's do a little cliff notes. Can we throw out the names we gotta qualify for anybody who might be just listening and getting their news about abstain from this particular outlet or yours. Julie Maxwell was the daughter of What's his name Roger Robert Maxwell who died suspiciously who apparently had ties to foreign intelligence Masada etcetera etcetera fell off vote naked and drowned yeah fell off the ges lean or whatever the off his own yacht named after his daughter and then his daughter winds up kind of linking linking up with with Jeffrey Epstein but then it doesn't really start a somber company. Yes I was just going to say you need to go to Ryan's Epstein Matt because because Essentially Christine Maxwell she headed up what does it I think it was a chilly add chili add software company and I think in two thousand four chilly add software company which is lean makwe sister after Maxwell's sister Christine headed up installed their particular type of software into the FBI counterterrorism database the CIA NSA in Ryan just mentioned a little earlier about back doors and how they really fucking spy on people so this goes day develop that on their own exactly that's why I say this goes so far beyond as as horrible I mean God. We can't even get it. It's hard to listen to some of the horrible shit. They do to children but he goes so far beyond that backers are mega group which is they'll wealthiest. Zayn exists in the world created Glick all the Brompton aren't Leslie Wexner is in it Stein Hartson. They're all it's a WHO's WHO's lists of prominent billionaire clean-air. Zionist and the sole purpose influenced Canadian. US policy I in the direction that that Israel wants and they set up Leslie Wexner exer gave him a seventy seven million dollar home. Don't just give people mansion since York right and they set up the wexner foundation which was a way that Epstein was on was chairman of by the way they got to push money into the coffers of Ehud barrage so when you're saying why now all like who went after him is not the deep state. Da Da the reason that Epstein was thrown under the bus is because this week Israel has there's an election and Ehud Barat is running against Netanyahu epsteen there are pictures of who'd Barat trying to wear disguises as himself is in the New York Rape Mansion and he was also on flight lists to the Caribbean and his phone numbers and everything are also in epsteins black book book so this Netanyahu's tweeting pictures of VIRATA and say Oh Broccoli Watch is going to Epstein this is way of smearing during his competitor Brock on the other hand is is talking about the corruption scandal of both Netanyahu Andy's wife right so huge smear campaign. Israel trump trump personally hates Epstein and has for a long time. Take Quick Story of the history of these two 'cause all the press is said is they keep recording that thing with trump saying all I've seen him on the younger side or whatever and I have minutes friend for fifteen years. Well let me tell you fifteen years ago. It was a real estate deal. There's something that is that's exactly what happened. Les Wexner used to own the property adjacent trump's Mar Largo and sold it to this guy named Gavin doesn't matter but this guy got in trouble with the law and had to liquidate assets so fire sale and Epstein new that trump wanted these properties because if he got it adjacent to his he could expanded into a large resort which ain't doing so F- seeing goes and gets trump and he's rubbing his is nose in it because trump was in financial turmoil. Everyone knew it. He's acting like you have more money than he had and Epson gave them a tour of the property and and I'm GonNa do this. I'm going to do that and this everyone like whoever got this would be able to flip it and it would've been extra great for Donald Trump. 'cause adjacent property already owns. You could add that on really they wanted us. We didn't have the money and Epstein was about to buy this and put it back into the wexner in right which was his financial parent you could. I'd say and trump through the hyatt that he had invested in so much combined with the apprentice show that he was able able to pull the funds together and outbid obscene by just like one million dollars and take the whole thing and flipped it for a huge sum of money and so Epstein was livid and said he was going to expose trump and how he didn't have any money. He's got to tell everyone how you know we used to deliver you lunch when you're crying under the covers because you're broke and he was going to embarrass trump decided okay he stuck the police on Epstein even though Epstein had and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to palm beach when he was at Mar Largo. He actually hit on employees. They're like well. The daughters of employees their children Jesse maximum was hanging around around the locker room tennis courts and that's where they met Virginia Virginia Roberts and other girls Jane Doe two three four there on the map but there tell ya you can be traveling masseuse into that. She's she's fourteen years old and trump knew that Epstein had been hitting on and recruiting and same lewd sexual things to little kids and told the police this will please start putting case together and that's why Epstein went to jail the first time was a what trumpet put them onto and they follow him the FBI even right and he had called along with them. told him everything and they came out later said trump was the only one that cooperated but not everyone else was eight off hush hush or compromise trump wasn't trump's into models to trump's in that circle he married three of them right nothing wrong with liking supermodels any legal about it either Epstein like the little kids with braces with the Ballerina look that's his thing but MC two model model agency which found a lot of famous models and went did got models Victoria secret in and so on that was owned by John Luke Brunell who also sleeping with kids and who has gone missing in the last week it was yeah he's at large. They're probably he and Maxwell are probably in France with Roman Polanski. Having T- talking about raping children Roman Polanski by the way was represented by Alan Alan Dershowitz also Mr. I couldn't arrays directly under one. That was his excuse. He's like yeah. I got a massage and yeah it was at Rape Island but it was a girl of age he's like were there other things going on in other rooms with other girls. I don't know like Oh he's just the house is still big I would. I know what's going on over there. Are there little kids in the house at all like why. I don't have a bunch of little kids in my house. Do you come on. He's a piece of show off of those in New York. The houses adjacent Epstein Bill Cosby who lived across the street talk about a dangerous neighborhood for kids. They were it was real estate property of Mark Epstein Jeff's Jeff epsteins brother and that's where they housed a lot of these MC two models models that is so if you cleanse stuff in that area to residents in that area wasn't it kind of like that particular area New York Pretty Pricey tuned with known predators Yep. It's they had a good thing going for themselves and they can tell these girls. If you don't comply you don't go and start archaea started. They started with a regular massage and kind of scale up. They could kick them out of their house. Then they're homeless. They can take their passport away their foreign models which most more from eastern Europe anything for blond girls too and Sarah Kellyn was staying there staying in markup scenes housing and she's now she's actually the innovation of Creepy Prince Andrew Poking his head out of the doors. Little kids are going into now Maybe high school you know are under. It's disgusting. I mean they go so again when you start talking about the layers of this. I don't know who we said Christine Maxwell who owned the software accompany her husband was a gentleman by the name of Roger Malina. Mr Molina ran a company called Leonardo when he ran out of the MIT media labs in just. It's the other day the head. MITEE media lab nations had to had to resign because let me ask you obviously you know that's public news at that gentleman and had to resign because of Epstein ties in this Bates. I remember back in the day Aaron Swartz who killed himself supposedly hacked the MIT media labs and supposedly with suicide site. What did he hack. Did he wind up finding out some of this stuff that you know that was going on there that he probably should have known he got sentenced for whatever kind of Hacky did and then I think one of one of the things that are working on this stuff called micro wire and die have an interview the lawyer for this case from the people who this is long story is named John Natio- and so people as you report and type in micro wire you can see what they're working on and using gene university grants in Mit in particular. That's one of the things this stuff can like change trajectory of our artillery in mid-flight and all kinds of fun fancy military uses not might have been something there after. I mean it's so I mean. MIT's the place to be when you're looking for the cutting edge tech and and and also brainpower so for association interesting I mean I don't know what he might have hacked but that Roger Malina and then out Roger Molina's father Franklin Lena was tight with Jack Parsons the you know one of the founders of JPL and then you know get into Jack Parsons in his time with Alister Crowley Etcetera Etcetera. It just makes very interesting conversation. You know what I mean. They have to thank the Cuban community for pushing my first Epstein Map. I got banned right after that until I physically went to Google as we talked about in the beginning but they didn't grab the next one's on the on the financial stuff whatever I guess you know with the month month media's appearing they came up on me or something but I was posted on bit shoot and whatnot but my youtube by couldn't add two strikes can't risk losing all my material now so so fix now while you're while you're on it on people resigned there was also an official from Brown University who was suspended who who is connected to the to the MIT lab. I keep getting bigger and bigger with him dying and they dropped the case. I wanted to ask you that you think think it's going to just go away. Well there. I mean how many people can you can you. Clinton like what does that jeopardize the whole gone all the Jesse Maxwell. Well I mean they. It's not all the evidence. They raided his house in New York the F. B. I. Even after obscene died still went to little saint John's still rating the properties. They have his disk that he was keeping his fake passport a lot of his money he did throw the bulk of his money into the nineteen fifty-three trust so that will go back to the mega group but this isn't overbill bar is livid over this whole thing they want heads to roll. There's still a lot of public eye on this and it's up to us to keep this up to not let it die like yeah. You can't prosecute a dead man right but what about all his cohorts right was was speaking speaking of the main Wayne Person Anyway in me in these conversations. Everybody's like trying to you know kinda almost pull natch it out of pepper any tie hi. They just kind of run with it. I heard you mentioned on a on a conversation that bill bars father. I forget his particular name but he wound up hiring Jeffrey Epstein at this school and you want him getting fired. CETERA KC but you you felt that that tie was somewhat. I mean just because they know each other. He didn't know necessarily he's going to be a pedophile but other people bar but he got pushed out of the school yeah and got replaced by Gardner who also raped a fourteen year old so the headmaster school that hired Epstein was living with fourteen year old girl. WHO's molesting same situation. No no father poor needs. She's like Oh you can stay with me. He and his wife was dying of cancer while he's cheating on her with a child and then you've got eight. Greenberg who's also been brought up on sexual harassment charges had bear stearns a hires. There's Epstein and his employees they got bought out by J. P. Morgan Chase you know and their employees are meeting with Epstein after he's been arrested for prostitution itution and pedophilia and doing face to face meetings in Palm Beach while I supposed to be doing prison time what was so important you couldn't pick up the phone and that's that's I fished that out in the map of the financial maps called Epstein map to or something like that yeah that was going to say that's another one that people really need to check out because it's stuff. He did billions of dollars that was collateralized debt obligation stuff and commercialize setup sieve actually set up a structure investment vehicle to hide toxic assets for bear stearns by this company called liquid funding. Ltd in Bermuda and bear stearns Dublin's way of getting around American regulations sets up this liquid funding Epstein says forty percent of the cash ask and the chairman of it and all they did was basically take on all these toxic securities and then what bear stearns reduce they'd have the rating agencies season all come in and look at their books while this debt obligation is on their book because they sold it to their subsidiary and on the first of the month to go invite back again you so you just temporarily get it away like a kid shoving all his toys under the bed saying see mom. Dan Marino elsewhere that maid maiden lane comes in Yes Maine Lane set up by the Newark Federal Reserve and May would be senior loan to for J. P. Morgan Chase I think put up like one point two billion they put up twenty eight point eight zero in the by the by them out but a lot of this commercial paper that Epstein created in liquid funding ended up and money market funds including JP Morgan Chases Sal. I mean hundreds of millions of dollars of it. So what do you think I mean now. I mean obviously part of the conversations I guess is. They're going to let the the economy collapsed and caused a recession and blame it on trump. There's all these rumors of what's going on Deutsche Bank being insolvent etc.. Do you see your economy guy. Do you see a recession coming. What's going on a not for those reasons. I think opening the discount window and messing with interest rates you're looking at massive housing crisis prices but nothing like two thousand eight and the dollar is not going to collapse. I mean America is American dollars not backed by oil or any this is backed by bullets and it just is what it is if we collapse so does everyone else is the largest economy in the world. Everyone has a vested interest to make sure that it doesn't go belly up right so those kind of exaggerations as fearmongering. I'm not saying they're lying. I think they're just wrong and they don't they can lead to be kind of where we're going to close out. I mean everyone's been talking about the dollar collapsing invest in gold etcetera etcetera. They're going to say that every day I know I know the wrong invested in gold though I know I know I'm just saying that not because it's GonNa Collapse. That's almost older conversation but now it's like. They're getting rid of cash there. You know everything's moving into crypto currency etcetera etcetera almost going back to Epstein a little little bit he had so much invested in essentially a lot of tech companies eugenics companies. You know the tech supposed technocracy and transforming. Do you see any yeah that kind of being the next evolution of things and he wanted to freeze his brain and Pena's not someone one that wants to kill himself. He wanted to live forever. They hung him but a lot of his old broken bones in his neck their cameras outside that were designated malfunction the cop sleep through when they're supposed to be monitoring them his own lawyers. Who've been implicated rape took him off suicide. Watch he's alone. His cellmate had moved out when he's not supposed to be of all these Cohen Seduces the happen and then he's dead for like an hour before they start working on him. I mean he was on four Chan screen shot from Alex Navin who's an emt was telling me that he thinks if a body'd been cold for forty fifty minutes. It doesn't matter how long they work on he's never coming back and then they spread this stuff as they will look at his ear nose. Why show something someone's mouth and pull their look down their nose occur. That's another poll Harris face because you just got. Hong ears can be purple. It's not a big I mean it. There's bodies. There's indentified buzz brother. You can get DNA evidence of it. If you had to the funeral he is in Florida. They put his body next parents. Yeah there you go. It takes to law a too much to fake his ways. You're just kill. 'em Great. You're of the mind that he's alive. He's real well well. I might look here's the thing is it's not impossible to think now. I think it's likely no but it's not impossible to to think that a guy who's got that much. Money couldn't pay his way out of there. Certainly when you start handing out millions of dollars each person that's going to get you out and I'll massad operation comes in and throws body on the floor and takes you out. You know I mean it's not impossible some possible they he when he first got got injured my first thoughts were he choked himself a little bit to try and get a transfer to rent is trying to get in house arrest to get out of prison right because he had minor like bruises on his neck or whatever but he told his own lawyers his cellmates tried to kill him yeah and I'm thinking tried to the guy wants to. He can't answer yeah ah but maybe he's worried some coming by or whatever but if he's paid off but you know. Patrick goes in the same cell and he worked for both of them moving around honey to dictators in Africa that's what he's in prison for and he's who was in. New York fucking like clearly on the royds he took all the royds cop killer guy from New York who they transferred out like Carolina or inherited something that was that was his cellmate. Maybe they didn't transfer him out and she killed him and then the cop open the door and either did it himself or let me go in and finish the job like Epstein was a dead man. Walking walk in everyone was making jokes about it like that. Guy Are ever going to trial. He's just can implicate too many important people he's gotTa die and Jesse Maxwell Rice's snarky snarky thing in her fake in and out picture that was dead encryption in it by the way where she's reading a book about Chelsea. The espionage right yeah and her father was drowned right. She's obsessed with saving the oceans. Were father died. her father basically died for the state and his eulogy was read by the Israeli Prime Minister. He's buried in Israel and all Massad Assad chiefs radish funeral. He helped capture Mordechai Vanunu he's supposedly trying to blackmail the Masan that was a part of what where he was in debt because he had been stealing pension funds and he he wasn't working for them aside like as an agent he was at a somebody in media who assay an m-type who who told on them because of his own Zionist ideology and he knew when Mordechai Vanunu was reporting physical pictures of the warheads in Israel of their secret creek nuclear weapons program to the Sunday Times and papers in the UK Maxwell being in media in the UK new help set up the honey trap in Italy that captured him another thing he did is he stole the promise software from the duty which ended up becoming Pegasus which is how they caught Kashogi the Saudis caught him and killed him was using that Israeli really software to monitor his phone by the way even his uncle was going to say into with the Rape Tours and his headquarters in Spain which epsteins using fake passport go visit a bunch of times of the fake address in Saudi Arabia so it all it's so much to say I've done seven or eight interviews and maps and stuff about it is absolutely huge. I've been talking to them. I don't mean to interrupt you but just before you go on it doing this in July. No Hell no you should is thorough dude but people do look pal into into your software promised software in the other one you just mentioned because yeah that's really deep. I mean this stuff just goes so much deeper than like again. Child exploitation patients that is horrible enough. It really is smart wears and what's really stick. How many people covered up right. We've had this before Denver Gene Pelfrey. Yes Jimmy savile like you name it. He goes all the way up to the top. Have you seen the latest victim that dropped a Youtube Video Jessica something or other in the last day or or two she was she was linking it back to the DC Madam exactly. She mentioned her name. I mean I don't know I I don't know if she was toilet or non mother's house yeah like a day after she was on. I think maybe it was a alex or something but she said I'll never never kill L. myself within winds up hanging in that's that's what freaks me out bro you go at rex with your mom and kill yourself in the back. No do that come. This is what freaks me out when I get so pessimistic like nothing will ever happen when things like that happening. Hey I have a black book that says all of this and I'll never kill myself. She winds up dying. We're looking at Komi. Supposedly walking like nothing ever happens from your bear stearns in two thousand eight Gulf of Tonkin light but nine eleven because the press doesn't say anything we have an alternative press now and as absolutely I'm telling people fighting the censorship from Google and Youtube is the most important thing because you can't report on any of the other stuff. I don't care if it's immigration order pedophile rings or war. Whatever your thing is you would not know about it without the Internet and right now. There are a few real realistically. It's monopolies monopoly's. We've got to be able to have free speech online where that's that's why like of all of of the Democratic candidates Tulsi is the best one because she's suing Google and she supports free speech and obviously there's only one nominee on the other side. Donald Trump was right. Donald Trump went after Epstein and he fired John Bolton so he's on like side well well. This goes back to Pakistan about the Internet man Ma Bell back in the day. It's a utility now. You can't just I know they have their guidelines particular platforms but like follow their guidelines headline. They just make it up arbitrarily true yeah and that's that's frustrating man but you're right. I mean it is so ubiquitous everybody's on their phones and utilize these these platforms we definitely want to be able to utilize them to get these kind of word out because what they'll turn it of you know media and the Rachel Maddow and how much information did you learn about the truth truth of WMD's and the rest of it online versus watching the talking heads right all of them lied lied about it and all of them did Russia Gate. Even Fox's took a fan of trump and even in two thousand sixteen election. There's no way he could fuck and win. Police say Hillary Clinton so far ahead I mean it was just ridiculous election. They all said you know what I mean. The oldest ran minute and it was it was so I mean again. I'm pretty apolitical but whatever you know I tried to did you to join all that. Oh that's a wasted vote don't do it. She's got ninety one percent chance of winning watching the video in the Hillary campaign spot where she was supposed to have the party and they were weeping. They're like putting their heads on their friends shoulders. I get almost like that so that's Gosh that's beautiful. I wanted it'd be there with an Empty Cup to get a vote doesn't mean I like trump do but just have meltdown yeah. That's it. That's IT I wasn't. I'm not at pro-trump guy but they're arrogant has affected the pain right there. Watch Anna the House Armenian. Just completely lose it overnight meltdown. Van Van Jones Van Jones was crying. I think some of them say it was back and forth from CNN day. It was great when it was comic. Really Likes Jeff Jim. I don't need any stand up between CNN and MSNBC like weird weird our in Japan and my grandmother my mom's suffer like on skype. I like he's got Pennsylvania each state that went Brad. We're just like I I just wanted. Hillary lose for real because she you know she wanted to do and seems crazy. this she nine. She not quite happy they but you know what he's GonNa win again. He decides got they got pop. Bite like embolism embolism the eyeball yeah that's crazy. Ramallah Harris has the black vote. All locked up is Hillary though is she white possibly is Hillary on I mean just you know we all know Hillary and we all love her but isn't quite possibly the most unflappable human being on the Planet Hillary Clinton. She looks like smells like pee. I don't know why Zik fixate on P. Like a hot bottle of P like in the summer. That's been heated up in his warm hot urine. I can say as far as Kamala Harris. She posted on twitter if she wins or when she wins the election action she's GonNa put new standards for the amount of Meat Americans can ingest and I said I just I tweeted her and I said what about Willy Brown's Meet regulating how much meat you can eat. What have you heard about that Ryan. Did you see that I did. I saw them into London. I wanted try some Bacon. You got a search for it. They don't have it anymore. People think pigs in the double whatever game yeah bill actually one of my favorite comics billboard has released his special today that he recorded in the UK and he did little series of three parts as well as is in the UK just on how terrible the foot is yeah food is. It's it's it's I went. I the Food Ireland was great. I thought it'd be similar to the UK. It's not it's it's way way better. I can't say UK I can say London visit the whole country anything. I'm sure they have real foods somewhere but that city is terrible usually big big city as much as I hate New York. I can't say the food's bad like you can get anything you there. They have good restaurants and whatnot might be pricing all the London. I mean they screw up fish and chips. How French fries so bad it was so bad pun there after coming back from Dublin. I bought American cereal in the grocery store and just eight that I am not wasting any another bad meal with a screw up the order and a waste of Pat Sterling. I'm not doing it. I ice. You're looking forward to airplane food on the way home. How yeah and that is not a joke. I was looking forward to the airplane food. Who'd Singapore and the food too. It's GonNa go like an Indian place or something to get anything. That tastes has taste at all. Wow how it's like. I did get a free meal though from one of my shirts but I was like I'm not going to go off on London at the end of this thing like I. I did enough London bashing but I I find that that was that was interesting because you hear you hear the stories kind of anecdotally to hear i New Delhi or something and look if I if I went to a New Jersey Yeah exactly I've been in New Jersey was there was so much filth in it. Just smells like piss this smell coming from Japan which probably the cleanest industrialized society on Earth. Our streets are clean. I it's Oh we're we're spoiled. You know I didn't have that state. I've been to American cities in Washington. DC has ended. I've been as west coast. It's pretty disgusting. I've been to New Jersey during the trash strike people at yeah. We were walking around mask and stuff stinks in the nostrils it. Yeah New Jersey's not known not known for Beauty Morale Jersey City and there's guy other good things in the state but adding one of London was filthier than New Jersey or DC. I mean it's like San Francisco level bad so I hear what you did. Killer words McDonald's touch screens every single one of them had on. I saw that it's a reminder that SNL skip back in the days like you just walk around. Everything's cool but then you got on FICO vision and it's just spots freaking poop everywhere. I'm at Baker Street liked Sherlock Holmes all that yeah. There's a statue sherlock. Holmes is the only Anglo I saw. It's I'm in line behind. Southeast theast Asia to get a ticket. I get up there discover. Oh it doesn't take cash you have to have coins and cards zone work so I go and buy a drink or something to get coins. There's a coin machine but two homeless wissman or beaten L. Out of it won't leave hanging on it and stuff. Cops aren't doing anything. Nobody's doing anything we get on a to go one. Stop breaks the one in front of it broke so it broken and get out at a baby in a stroller and carry it up steps casino escalator whenever stop after Baker Street and it's like forty degrees Celsius in these tubes people just yelling at each other. I'm I start laughing. It was like watching trailer park boys the Rim now the kids are screaming at each other and like people trust up in burqas and the women have to walk behind the men and just like this is where am I I bet about in books and stuff like I go to the Tower of London. They close early 'cause they. You know the Schlomo gotta go out to the clubs. Whatever so into five thirty they closed at five of five. I just wanted to see Lionel lease armor and Marmaduke Dawson and stuff. I just wanted to straighten the white tower never got to see it and I'm never going back on ever see why it was terrible. smelly dirty sculpting overpriced food socks logistics really suck tubes braked trains break history all right about that dude very polite. Very nice food still sucked though but it was fine it's such a huge hugely historic place transforming right before is made in history will definitely absolutely right it is it is it is just it's all bobbleheads in curry in whatever and I you know I would hate that if I went to Taran Iran and it was all white guys serving cheeseburgers you know I'll be like the middle sinners. Where's the Middle East meets Antonio's pizza Tehran Iran in European in in London right except the museums the museum to see what London was you know and the and the Saint America they're taking down statues. Eric Heritage is being erased and it all if you're pro European and what you hate the Middle East of I I've spent twenty twenty years of my life trying to fight against wars in the Middle East and help Palestine Iraq is senator. Don't give me that shit like I just don't. I don't WanNA complete cultural takeover kover of historic European city. I think sat well like you said I think trying to their. WanNa get rid of the old and bringing a new that is in kind of their image I in my opinion interesting title any kind of identity other than consumerism umping well. That's the thing it's it's you destroy the identity of a nation and and they have nothing more to fight for. There's nothing left to fight for and I'm sure there's plenty of native Americans who will Ecu Echo that sentiment quite frankly because they're trying to in the native Americans aside from disease they lost to the Western Confederation in military battles from Pontiac Cup so then they started the welfare program and that's all the Indians were done reservations destroy them and the the disparity of wealth between native Americans Ana reservation and not on a reservation. I love to see the status but just from like my life I can tell you. It's the three deviations below. The poverty line is all trailer trailer park trash on almost every reservation off the reservation you you can't tell the difference between any other American. It's very close family members who were raised on the Pine Ridge in and it was it was all kinds of ups is all kinda messed up. It's bad news bad news bad but it's welfare kicks data out of the House and all this is another topic. I guess but I mean no I mean that's absolutely social engineering man and that goes on throughout the country man get rid of Dad. You know incentivizes producing more fuck solemnity yeah exactly. There's a lot of layers to so much of this dude. That's why I'm so glad to be able to have these conversations with my man. Ryan show any social this yeah I do I. I can't thank you enough man because I know I mean you are a very sought. After guest. It's a release to this subject and a miniature cedric subdued. I love you brother and I'm so glad you were able to take some time to come enroll. The today show any social networking. We find some of your work deathly. I'm going to attach the Epstein Map to the description of this video but working. We find somebody other stuff appro. I'll give you the most updated map after this A. N. C. report. Dot Com is sort of the main place that will have everything else and there's a a donate button on their phony. Buddy wants to throw some coins my way. I just had a very very girl to Europe but that's there and yeah that'll have my bit shoot youtube in article. Everything's on ANC STANDS FOR ANTI NEO-CON ANC REPORT DOT COM and and we'll have this interview up there shortly and thanks for having me on again touched little on nine eleven a little bit on Kaczynski a little bit on Epstein getaway deeper on all of those say there's so much of that can add to your map here. Epstein Map Peter Clone is the director of development computer scientists and data at Brown yeah. There's there's a couple of names that I got to add a detect sector. Stuff is actually a whole nother map. I didn't have the energy he got so demotivated after loss Youtube and Mike why put all this time into make a map. Two hundred people say you know what I mean like. One as these flow coach goes so deep people who basically question we'll just because he knew him didn't mean he was associated with all this other stuff. I don't want to get into connections on no absolutely but it just guilty by association. That's very very fine line that we walk in almost like you said. Donald whatever don't don't Kevin Debate in this thing like did they receive money where the cohort and crime do not just like. I didn't list everyone that worked bear stearns or something I just got the ones that are involved in sexual escapades or met with Epstein and person and made a deal or very gary. All everybody on this map is solidly connected to absolutely some someone that did whatever and and check out check out genie energy and you know the day before Epstein died their documents came out that former governor of New Mexico and former US ambassador to the UN Bill Richardson was involved with some of his stuff but the fact that he was on he's on the board of Gene Energy Bates larger questions as well. There's a lot of digging made book former former Secretary of Treasury under other believe Clinton Former head of Harvard World Bank Association and stuff like that and they go through this goes beyond right left and I've heard you said it before brother brother and I we stress this a lot the powers that be whatever the fuck you WANNA call them. They don't care about what tribes we are. Whether it's right left Jewish settlement or Palestine you you know Serbian or Muslim Kurt. They don't give a shit. They use shift to weaponize against we play against each other while they continue this insane racket packet of died the following making fight each other absolutely they'll use race religion gender whatever they can get to get us addi throats. That's always been a class war and we got this rope that in its own sort of tribal nepotism and if in their their minds is us against them type of thing and they do it from the shadows so exposed sunshine is is what they fear the most. They hate being tone. They hate being seen and Epstein there. Are people begging the courts right now. Don't put my name in this. Don't reveal me on this 'cause whether they catch catch. These people are not the story's going to get out there anyway yeah and everyone they're involved with where they all going to hide. People want just pack up and hide either sexually families the things you can't just leave. Do you think the documents something yesterday or the day before. There's something about a thousand plus names going to be released something like that. Do you think there's nearly a thousand names. Is that coming. I take that's not hold my breath on that. I want that to come early. WanNa say yes I feel like reporting about it. Coming is helping helping forced it to come because if it doesn't go hey whereas these names we were promised or disagree more conversation Komi Walk Nobody again. Nobody gets accountable. I was talking to pat and I don't mean to extend this too much. Longer is trump white hat while that bates you know the Patriot laws still patriot. Act is still law indy a one or two that allows indefinite detention assoiation without representation of no due process. That's still law if he was string constitution that would have been gone already if this was all constitutional like he says says and I'm not saying it's just about that but those are some pretty heavy things as it relates to cats like pat right wing the bill of rights the constitution these things are still on the books he still so as we know Juliana Guyton JV who were trying to get on and going to talk to she's uncovered more information about one on Yemen. Yeah Yeah we're just more more weapons are going to al Qaeda and are going going to these Islamic fundamentalist groups. The proxy war is continuing so it's like it's almost out of sight out of mind because we have all these distraction over here with these mass shootings in it and that's Kinda new he'll he'll hire to replace John Bolton Bucket. Shit would be an improvement did I did. I mention that possibly his former chief of staff off. Fred fleets is in the running for his successor but as we close my friend moving into this election year shit is crazy it it always is is in my opinion. We're seeing false flags everywhere the deep states in the corner. Possibly more people are getting hip to it. Epstein being killed was a mass red pill by told you my mom and my dad called me like what the fuck is going on. People are just lay. People are getting him to send them yeah. So what do you think man what's going to happen are we. Hitting A ran. Are we is assist is delaying the inevitable as far as hitting ran in Lebanon in this global hegemony which continue like Wesley Clark strong. It's not one thing that'll title stop it is we can't stomach the casualties the US could take on ran but is not worth the war the war happening now more asymmetrically with these trade deals sales and economic you know when you get into like China and Osceola and what's going on in South East Asian. The one belt one road are things happening in wars happening more trade in economically now and and a little bit of covert ops. We saw what happened to that. It seems like Israel is very close to pulling the trigger on Hezbollah so that could be the next one but Iran you know they already. The boat was released. Two point one million barrels of oil goes into Syria as planned Turkey still gonNA be finding the Kurds in northern Syria but right. Now you know relatively is looking pretty good compared to before I would love the war in Yemen and it doesn't look like it. I love the war in Afghanistan and and asked the one I think we should pile on and do because with Bolton Admiral way we have a real chance of removing troops from Afghanistan honesty and trust me. There's no reason to be there garden opium to get out well. That's what I'm saying that. That was that that money's been flown for decades. Why get out of there us like you you said before Vietnam was the writings on the wall. There's no reason to finance isis in Syria because they were there any parts facilitating that that that heroin trade whether it's the French connection or what went on in Vietnam or you know we've had it locked down in Afghanistan openly admit when Afghanstan for heroin they the excuses excuses supposedly you know for sure but if we get out of there doesn't that kind of shutdown that a part of that trade yeah so the real no incentive yeah exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's no real incentive like you said we announce we might get out and meet with the Taliban and then it was a car bomb that day or the day before so it's it's you know same function playbook but but two thousand twenty you think who's. The Democratic nominated you think and vice president. I heard Hillary kitchen to get in. I mean I think Mr BS probably the as the most grassroots support Mr Mr embolism in the eye comrade Stalin. What's his name Bernie Sanders. He's a Biden man. He's kind of like the Giuliani he ain't gonNA make it to change Bernie's their Goto can mean wow he's getting get destroyed. Kamala Bernie removes. I know what's the what's what's the guy's name is at Wong Lang Yank and why he posted that he was winning in polls when compared to trump and I I was going to write something. They're just leaning. It's like anytime they shit. Come on dude. That bullshit got played in two thousand sixteen. I know I wanted to make fun of that House. Alice give everyone thousand dollars a month for Obama. There's there's a lot. There's a lot of people citizens in this this country. They deserve it now. We live in a very old man. We live in such a great world and I'm again. I'm so glad to be on these kind anna conversations because yeah you're talking about. Ted Kaczynski and I'm not likening myself to because yeah but Ted Kaczynski shirt anymore because he's finally gone says Bolton must go and he's gone. Is You know you were saying how Kozinski like. He couldn't relate people like everyone was an idiot and I'm not saying I'm Ted Kaczynski but having these conversations make you feel good during the show with pat makes you feel good because I realize I'm not alone in having these conversations tasers reaffirms that he does go so deep. I'm not bucking crazy and it frustrates me because nobody has a fucking clue what he it has a clue and that's what allows so much so much of this to keep going in. It's frustrating well. I think there are a lot of people have a clue but they don't the the field of politics is so hostile. They don't feel like dealing with it publicly so they just keep it to themselves not really out there expressing. They'll vote or whatever but they don't let you know that they know you know what I mean 'cause. There's when you do you gotta deal with all the backlash from all the morons right so I think there are more intelligent people than we realise. They're just so. It just seems like everything's you're. You're a professional wrestling guy. You've seen the video of the kid. It's still real real to me. Damn it talking about professional wrestling and that's why I think people defend in college six well yeah people defend this right left paradigm so hard core because you know other extreme tribalism confirmation by Cetera they just can't go beyond that and it just sucks because the whole thing does go beyond that listen to a video today so much they play conspiracy is like sixty percent of independent voters. The right and left are not the majority. That's just the one that's in your face all the time. That's thus far. They're going down. We're going to have a paradigm shift like this happens. If you look at broad historical trends where we're there. We're going to have a paradigm shift. The left is already starting to fragment into two different parties. Are you of the mind that is going to get worse before it gets better. As far as you know false flags eggs and I mean obviously never never be one hundred percent just chill but like you said everything is so viscerally divisive with politics are are low point was around two thousand and two. I think we're getting better as we get more. We have more vibrant alternative media than ever before. We can't get boots on the ground like we used to be able to do the second rock war. We are trying to get out of Afghanistan. Were talking to North Korea. we did downsize some troops in in Syria. We cut off funding in Syria. We didn't go into war in Venezuela. Even though Bolton tried as hard as he could Bolton just got fired but what about the kids that's who they what about the kids who they've seriously weaponized as far as the Second Amendment Cetera who are starting to get into voting ages. You have no fucking clue about the nuances of this shit. They're just rolling with the kind of that. AOC AOC squad very social justice warrior amy that's who I worry about 'cause I see them. weaponising the youth in this like those kids will change the first day they get a real job with all that Martin's rhetoric and all that stuff the first day you get your first paycheck with taxes singing out of it. You're like wait. Wait a minute. I've asked people that I'd like. I Argued With you on this now. Like what was it changed your mind and they're like working right to go. Start realizing like you your boss. Whoever you're working for and stuff like you have to sell products or services and and that's that's how you get money and then you just have to give it away? People do not that that is the the core difference. Twain like people live in the real world. People don't or have you. We know fantasy jobs like being an actor or whatever they that's where the left presides people don't live in the real world when you get out of the perpetual who'll students which I call professors and you get out of like actors and stuff and you have job jobs and you're really working for eleven and really having earned that money it sucks to have to give it away. They're talking about expanding health care to illegals except for Tulsi Gabbard all the other. Democrats are like Yep. Lets you take a middle class family that can barely pay for their own health insurance or health care and you're gonNa tell them now. You gotTa Pay Pablo's. They're going to be like built. Another wall like we can't extend social benefits to the entire Third World. It is economically. Not Feasible doesn't matter how big bleeding heart you have how much you want to do do it. That's not gonNA work. If you really want to help those people stop predatory lending stop warfare get rid of NAFTA. Get rid of the lopsided trade agreements prosecute white collar crime I wrote a long list of things that you could do that would help fix the third world so that they don't have to relocate poverty. You can just not be in poverty and we know it works capitalism. They don't have it. That's what they need. That's their number one enemy anti Fawn. All these things are all communist the scratch him you could see the red underneath they hate capitalism western. ISM Masculinity nuclear family traditional values the hate these things because they work and they walk that free lunch to have that in common attitude and want to demonize everybody with `ISMs and instant press. They're the ones that are obsessed with Esi and race Jason. I I don't think about that stuff in my day to day life right and I lived in a ninety nine point nine nine percent of the people around me are are they know not my group would ever lose you. Are you a citizen of Japan or they're on a certain visa or what. I got a three year visa right now now every every year so I have to get a visa so we will. I don't a marriage visa. My Wife's actually Korean but we live in Japan so we both guys like but yeah there is here visa and I'm working and I worked in Japan ad work visas when I was I still do part time work in Japan for the gets me longer visas usually do some work in Japan but obviously I'm doing journalism on. That's not is kind of both because I'm spending my money here and ah but you can legally immigrate to Japan just you're. GonNa have to work your ass off. Learn another language like 'cause they meet. I don't blame them for having having strict immigration rules they have they did new become China overnight at I'm not saying China's bad. It's just why do you need. Japan to China to you know you can go to China Z. Chinese stop Japan deserves to have Japanese Culture Japanese language. They're preserve their way life you know from same with the UK Leguizamo I would would hate for Asaka to become Beijing and I don't want London to become Islamabad or whatever like there's nothing racist or anything about. I wanted to preserve the culture is a good thing you wouldn't want. Anyone insists appear I've seen that happen to American Indians Languages Gone Culture Culture gone like that sad and I don't want that to happen to anyone else. Preservation isn't necessarily race. Separation people don't quite get that sometimes because it's all refused as well it does even in a case of Japan and China still be the same race but you'd have a completely different. Culture doesn't matter races yeah. I mean if you had a whole a bunch of Ukrainians flood into Germany wouldn't be Germany more. If you had a bunch of Germans going to France it wouldn't be French anymore. My Lot of Germans went into Rome and in the Roman Empire buyer didn't exist anymore to do German lot of Germans after World War. Two sort of disappear into South America didn't they all out of scientists ended up. I've been NASA paper. Which is another interview. No absolutely band-aid Ran Ryan Dawson. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Please be reflective think research on this nine eleven day. Let's get it together. Legitimate peace so much love.

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Tiger Gets GOATy, 76ers Panic Watch, NBA Overreactions, and 'Game of Thrones' for Dummies with Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Tiger Gets GOATy, 76ers Panic Watch, NBA Overreactions, and 'Game of Thrones' for Dummies with Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Plus the show the great Mallory Jason do binge bowed. And you could check that podcast out as well that should be up mid week at some point where they will break down in detail, everything that's going on. If you wanna watch the replay of talked to thrones just go to ringer put in hashtag talk to thrones. It'd be the first thing that comes up, and you can watch the replay on that or on our YouTube channel eventually it'll be up there too. So coming up we're selling Agra talk about tiger weird talk with the NBA playoffs. We might even talk a little game of thrones. I feel like we have some hot takes we try to get everybody mad on social media. I did we we had a big dinner tonight. We were nice and fresh. We have water ready to go. I are France reproach. All right Sunday nephew. Kyle's film. Good. He's sitting here. He's just been fed. We watch thrones. All I did all week was not moving watch television. I've been up since four forty five this morning I woke up I check my phone to see six clock yet. The phone got blinded by the bright iphone screen knowing that happens when it's like, it's it's like car headlights coming at you. And then I couldn't fall back asleep and one thing led to another, and I was just up and I made coffee, and they got ready for manned tiger. And then he came through. And now by the time, you're listening to this. It's really late Sunday night or obey Monday morning. You're driving to work or working out. Whatever we're selling our talking earlier about. Who has brought the most sports talk radio slash talking head hours to the table of any athletes. We're talking all time all the time bed modern era, but it's not fair to older guys all time would really be the last twenty years because that's really when this machine blossomed where every big city has twenty four seven station said like Wade Boggs. I thought I knew this guy, right? Like when in in New England twenty five years ago is like Eddie Engelman. Yeah. Right. And then W E I became used to do positive shows. I was just thinking about that the other day. That's so weird. He brought him up at intimate. Yeah. Just all day. They had to be a positive vibe. Yeah. No complaints. Don't bring your negativity in here. Now it's flipped, but I would say I would have LeBron and tiger in the finals. I think Jordan by the time he retired the mechanism wasn't in place yet like easily as Rian they didn't really have the afternoon program. They have now. So I have I have tiger. And lebron. In the final half. Lebron is definitely in the finals. But he's the winner too. Because you could also remember we're not talking golf year round the way we're talking about LeBron or somebody who's arguably the the biggest of the most famous athlete in any sport in the United States at least. So just as somebody who did it for that long yet. You're getting ten ten and a half months at liberty every year. The tiger thing was when it happened. Whether it's you know, look that scandals almost ten years ago that was too. I was looking at all up to that. Amazing. It's almost well. It's the end it's November. Thanks that. Right. Right. So that was massive. And that was around the clock. You're doing radio back then right at that point. Yeah. We just we just started. And that was a weird spot for Scott. Because Scott was so close to him and Steinberg, and you know, who's one of the guys that that tiger hugs at the end when he puts his arms out, and that's his guy. And you know, I I'd even heard the tiger. Listen, the show all the time and sometimes tire would texts van pelt during during the show, and that was after everything news app. Get rid of the Vermont guy. He's like this guy sucks. But doing the job there. I don't think there's any way I'm not knocking the call here. There's no way that in the finals. I'm going to tell you right now, people are gonna roll their eyes bonds up there see think bonds sneaks into the finals, we were talking about the home run pursuit. But also, they he the the whole time. I remember doing late night shows that he is pinning. Never never forget one guy called in goes, I'll give you ten thousand dollars. If you can come up with any evidence. Now's like well. Look at his Ninety-one tops card. I win. So so I don't know what other ones you would you. There was there was also the whole the bond saying Boyd into the whole who's the baseball hall of Famer not which is one of the oggi's sports radio absolute segments. You can have this guy blogs. No, he's absolutely not all Famer just people getting mad. They have had a late push for it. But he was more of then of years. No. It's not enough years. But it was it was a real real incredible. Ron I was wondering like I am. I I don't say this is a Homer pick even though it's my team. But like Abella check pats kinda combo the break has. Yeah. Just Brady and that the. Structure, but that's not one person. You know, what though that's if you just made it this to headed thing with bell check and Brady combined in the patriots angst or the patriots would side of you on. And all that stuff. The initial underdog thing one seed may Brady versus manning. If you're if you're able to include all that stuff Brady versus mayonnaise. I I think when people are listening to us right now, they're gonna what about this huge story, and you go. Okay. Well, that's fine. Like individual stories themselves could have been really big this isn't about the biggest stories it's about kind of in the last fifteen years or so which guy dominated all of the debate shows as much Tibo t Boz kind of in that cabinet category where it was red hot for a couple years is like four years. Maybe benign didn't have the legs. No. So what it means to you today? Well, so did you cry? I got choked up when he was hugging the fam-. I really did. I was surprised because I'm kind of a cyborg. I the reason I brought up the SP. Talk radio that whole thing is cause this tiger story said so many ebbs and flows arcs and ups and downs. And is he the goat? Can you? Give me list. Jimi your time. Like, you were what all in tiger fan or just always loved the factor because there's there's different levels to this. Right. Like were you always rooting for tiger all the time? And you always wanted to win on top. Every I was always one of those who's the next guy. I want to be in on that guy early guys. So I I remember watching the amateur ones. So you were all so you are you're a tier one then with out here. One hundred percent. So my easily my favorite God forever is not even close and I'd put him like McEnroe's. My favorite tennis player is not close tires, my favorite golfer von Lendl to Navratilova Lendl kind of one or two aid to be tiger to me is like I've I feel like he's a Boston team that that's how a roof for that. Yeah. Tweet this because I didn't wanna be mocked on the frigging Twitter. But I was thinking like Red Sox title, Pat Super Bowl tiger masters. I won like the last three titles. I've cared about. While you claiming you okay is good. I never quit on them. All right. So two thousand nine. Yeah. It goes down. How did you feel? So if you go back, I wrote a two part mailbag about the tiger thing. And you got shit on pretty heavy for the no, no. That was later on. It was later bringing this up because I think it's important to everybody's out with tiger. I'm just saying I wrote like a ninety five hundred word column for this longest they'd they split it over two pages because we would have taken to London download I had just so many thoughts. And I really felt like look the word tragedy gets thrown around and sports way too much. I don't think this is tragedy. We know what the real tragedies are. But this was like a sports tragedy. This guy. By that, you know, Ali Jordan tiger. Those are the big three of the last going back to the sixties and he needed his in a way that it doesn't get dominated. I mean during his peak years. It's just you go back and look at it. And you're like that actually happened. What was going? They were talking about changing. The course and chat. Do we have to change Augusta forum all that stuff? And I'm sure there are some people being like, hey, ever heard of Ben Hogan, and you just go. Okay. Yeah. But fine for like for the modern era for what he did. And just expect like every week. It was tiger the field, and you feel like an idiot. If you took the field. Okay. So the two thousand nine hundred happens in its I think it speaks the society. I think what happened today excuse me with him winning this weekend, speak society too. But it's it turns into this things. Like, man, I thought you were so amazing. But look you're fucked up just like everybody else. And there's some weird joy that the public takes in that. Yeah. And I knew I was asking you that because that's not exactly what happened people have they like. When somebody has it on screws it up. Yeah. They light to go. That was me. I wouldn't have done that I would have handled that better or the person screwed up themselves. They're like good. I'm glad he's screwed up too. Syria. I think so I think that thing that the thing that's amazing to be out of all this house. I talked about a little bit. But not not totally. You know, the ship had kind of sailed. This. This were this. This was done this like if you go back to Ali Ali just wanted to fighting and nobody like gave up on the on the thought of Ali ever being good again. It was like can we get this guy back in the ring? Yeah. I mean, honestly, it wasn't even leave wanting to fight. It was they wouldn't let him he was like trying to fight in Canada. No. But it was people trying to get a checkout of people around him more than it was him. If there was ever there's never a doubt in the talent. And with the tiger thing his back issues his knee his body. It just felt like it hit the point where his body broke down. And you look you think back to even like less than three years ago. There was a real sadness to the story that this guy was done. It was over. And it was never happening. And oh man, but wasn't a great when he was good. Like, nobody thought this was going to happen. Again. I was happy with him contending again. So you never thought see the reason I'm bringing this up. And I think some people probably wondering why are you going back ten years when you really should be going back to the injuries. But this the scandal never derail them nearly as. Much as everybody thinks it did from from a competitive standpoint, he just didn't win any majors. So the public was like, he's he's toast, and you go Williams doesn't make any sense to it did derail him though. He was player of the year in two thousand thirteen and had five wins. Right. But he didn't win a Magar anymore. Okay. But it and he was he had a couple of good runs in two thousand eleven to. But he wasn't. He wasn't tiger. Yeah. He wasn't peak tiger. But I've always kind of resisted as he'd wasn't winning any majors after the first the the family incident. It was this thing where I was like, well he's been derailed by that. I'm like he's actually still playing really competitive golf like I was going through a he he finished fourth and sixth in in two majors in two thousand thirteen and then two thousand fifteen is when it starts kinda fallen apart. Even though he he played in all four majors that year and he sucked in the masters in two thousand fifteen and then two thousand sixteen is when he's hurt. And then I remember doing the show all the time because every week in two thousand seventeen is well, it was this thing where they. On he's going to be he's going to be awesome. I mean, he played one event in two years. But it was always this idea that oh the practice squad. You have. No I'd like going back a couple of years, but he's hitting the ball. So well, and then as soon as it started falling apart. It was an injury again. And I was always like, well, wait a minute. What's the injury? Then if everything seems to be going great like I would wondering like how much of it was in his head while he lost his legs. Because his you know, the knee that he pushed off I don't remember. How many times it got operated on that? He started having the back issues. But you know, you're right. There is a misconception that he was just not a relevant golfer after oh nine because like even the two thousand eleven masters, Emma, Baroda calm about it that day. He was in the hunt that day, and then he kind of self destructing the back nine, but he was in the hunt. And there was that familiar like the sounds the on the course and kind of was harmful happened today. His first event back was the masters in two thousand ten and he came in fourth. And he wasn't even playing that. Well, yeah. And I remember talking to Scott about it. And I go why would he come back? Why don't you just get a tune-up somewhere else for come back to Augusta? And this was you know, van pelt knowledge about golf, which is credible. He just goes, actually, it's the best place for him to come back in as the course. Well, he knows the deal because you don't just get into Augusta. So it's going to be a different level of people in the goes and Augusta is going to put their arms around tiger. And try to protect him from all the nonsense as much as they possibly can. So as I remember doing, you know, the stuff with with hit where you go is this guy really this hurt or is he that damaged upstairs because he's losses confidence. And you go man, I can't even compete anymore. And then it's two years words one event. But last year he was really good. He was he was really good again last year. It hasn't. I talked about it on his pod how he was at least in the mix again. But there was always this feeling that he was eighty percent what he was eighty five percent where he was which means which meant shirt, right? He was super. Edited. What I'm saying, really good. I'm not saying anything about Pete. But I mean, he would in the open. He was six the PG who was second. So I almost feel like what happened this weekend. It's an awesome awesome story. But I feel like the recovery had already started to happen for through. There was some other level that he went to the ball strike in this weekend. And I have I don't know what the stats are. But it just felt like he was absolutely cranking. It you know, there was a couple where he was like neck and neck with FINA. Who's like one of the best drivers untorn? Now. See I saw female live Riviera won't seeing him hit a ball live. You just go. There's something different with a freak. And tiger was at least like in the vicinity of him and hand-me-downs, which is cool. The thing. The the drives that he was sitting down the stretch. The what was so great was. You know? And this happened with nNcholas Neetu sakes, where just everybody wants one guy to win. And it has his domino effect psychologically with the rest of the field. And I I didn't feel like the announcers fully tapped into it when it was happening because like the two guys he played with were the only two guys in the top twelve who do not you part of the or better, and it was playing with tiger. I it was it's intense in you're in the situation where everyone's rooting against you, and you could feel like if we were doing a podcast right now. And there are two hundred people in this room. And all of them were rooting for me in anytime. You said something they were just glaring at you like, you would feel it. And it's like some earliest repea- show remote. My wife was watching. I was like when Molinari hit it into the drink in twelve. I like I jumped out of my couch. I was like, yes. And she's like I've never seen you root against somebody like this. And I was like, these are all my enemies. I want them out to have contributed poke is like if but I feel like they could feel that on the course. And if you've you know unite both by new Augusta that place is is it's like a church. It's it's not gonna biggest golf guy. And I can't tell you. How awesome it is? But everyone's pulling for everybody, and it was not the case today in the other thing, and the part that I was so glad I went last year for a variety of reasons like being able to see how hearts where to put on some of the holes, but you can't overstate how little you know, what's going on. And you're you're stuck in a hole. And the only thing you have to go by the scoreboard when they change it. So when they show on TV, and it's like watch the roar when they realize Tigers up to mind. His thirteen is in the lead. Here's a replay. Then everybody goes nuts. And it seems like it's kind of out they they're they're overreacting loaded that they had to have a phone that he knows no one has a phone. They're all like holy shit. Tigers winning like, that's the reaction. But that's just what it's like. It's an amazing place. Getting in. There is is great because it's almost like this reward when you walk through the ropes to Augusta where they go. All right. However, you got here knowing somebody Bela lottery, scalp Anum. Yes echo. Like, however, you got here. Now, you're in in your one of us and grab your cheap beers and Austin bat, which and here's your badge and the greatest thing ever when you realize wait, we can just sit in anybody seat. And then it's just understood if they come back, you get up and get out of their seats. That means there's tons of empty seats. I'm sure not Saturday and Sunday, maybe not even the entire week. But at least it was for me when I went two years ago, but then to see eighteen to stand up in that t- box and look at that fairway and how tight it feels coming out of there. And it just feels like this blind shot, you know, on TV. I don't think it does it Justice. How and nothing's the most intimidating whole just feels nasty new go, man. This looks way harder in person than it does on TV. And I can't even imagine. How exciting it would've been to be there for this? Because like. I was there last year on Thursday in tiger birdied sixteen when we were there and everybody went nuts, and this is day one on Thursday like who cares? And we act play. He wasn't in it. When I was there, we reacted like this magical thing happen, if you're there today when he hits at drive down fifteen and we're we're right in like, this is like tiger karaoke right now these holes these are like this is the stretch that he he owned when he was at Augusta thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen late these are his holes. And he is said Dr fifteen is just sitting there on the standing there in the fairway for twenty minutes waiting for Brooks Kapka in that old group to just finish. And it's like man if she puts us on the green, he's probably gonna win the masters, and boom ran in the green to putt goes to sixteen and almost gets a hole in one which if he had gotten a home one has to be in the conversation for greater sports moment of all time. I think we give to give it a week. Or two. It's for USA beats the Russia and eighty tiger hone went through with the masters. It was okay. Dave Roberts stale question. How? Indeed Roberts question. Bogeying eighteen Connor put a damper on it now. No net. Stop. No. No. No, no. I'm trying to we were doing this early really hitting. I'm kidding. But that that was dangerous though, because he got he almost got to cute. He did. But the reason I bring it up is that we were trying to figure out throughout the next twenty four to forty eight hours ACL of who would zig when everybody's zagging because zigzagged. No, I was doing Tiger Woods was good the whole time. Where were you guys? No, no, no, no. He was eve is really good. I was trying to wasn't three out. He was fine. I guess I feel like no, no. That's not what I did. I wanna find a guy that is because we were asking like is this the unsinkable if you're on a talk show, if you're a radio in this whole thing that basically would everybody's zagging when everybody else zagging, and this Fellay can all time zag moment where it's everybody. Even if you didn't really root for tiger. What you sitting there rooting for Molinari? You know, I could see rooting for Tony female, but it's a Sea Tiger everything's gone through. And I understand he's ever. He'll never have to worry about paying a Bill rest of his life. So we don't have to get into that debate. But to see him there with his family. I think even the most cold hearted person would go so many people never thought those happen again. And there's plenty of evidence that it wasn't going to happen again. And he's playing better. And like man what a what a weird ten years. This has been the odyssey that he's gone through lab gas dock, and then, you know, mugshots with detetion on and, you know, all the stuff like you have to go through it all on your this this laughing stock, even though you're still kind of the man. And then it's like, I just won the masters. I just won the masters at forty three who would go on a talk show and be like, well, I think it's better for golf if KEPCO wins because and so this felt like the zigal type zag zig would be you'd have to come to explain the one more level. There are people at their that. They look at the terrain. Yeah. Right. They studied. It and they go nobody's going this way. I'm going to make the strongest case, I possibly can the other way. At least I'm gonna make you stop and think which is like as a political science major which weirdly ties into what we all do for a living where it's like, you take history, and you make an argument, and you just try to sell the shit out of the argument, which is basically the league, I think zig is, you know, people are celebrating tiger talk about how great this is. I look the other way I think of what we lost. We should add more of this. And the only person who costs more these titles was Tiger Woods. We'll be back after this. Why tiger winning the masters is actually bad for golf or Tiger Woods is like uconn women's basketball next? Are. Oh, yeah. If if Tigers back as dominant golfer, this is actually bad for golf. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Dustin Johnson, KEPCO female ever heard of them you want to know why you have because tiger was average Zubaydah that we needed tiger sabbatical. Yeah. Yeah. I think the open championships cancelled. I do think there's I think somebody will make a case of we shouldn't be celebrating this guy too much because he was handed the golden gifts, and he kind of blew it. I could see that case be made. I do not agree with that. Yeah. I just feel like somebody will say it the whole reason I brought up all that stuff is just I remember going. Why's it? Everybody's saying this guy stinks when he's playing well after the incident, and then it became this injury thing and well icon, I'd kind of given up on like not him as much as I was saying, hey, let me know when he's healthy and he's actually gonna finish around like finish four rounds. And then we'll take it from there. And because every time he wasn't making cutters was withdrawing it would be right after three or four days of hearing. How amazing his practice round was. And so I was like, I don't really know. What's going on? Smile injury thing though. That's what I mean. And then eventually like, oh, his back is actually that. But yes, so like he had like an arrest and a mug shot, and it seemed like was he dicta painkillers? Like, there seemed like all this other stuff that might be going on, and we had no idea to nine with the spinal fusion. Yeah. And I can't over overstate the spinal fusion part of this like I as a member of the bad bad club. You know, I never had the back surgery. But. You just not supposed to ever really be the same. And that's why I was felt like tiger like house said today. He was always eighty percent. I just felt like that's where we were. You know, it's like like you watch Blake Griffin on the pistons. And it's like I remember Blake Griffin and lob city he doesn't jump that way toward but he's figured out a different way to be really good. I just thought that's where were tiger. But the tiger today was fucking crushing the ball hitting darts carried himself differently. Not the overdramatic fist palms. Just the robot going to the next hole like totally lacked, Dan, but his elation afterwards is right. All right. Yeah. I've never seen him like that before I wouldn't expect it to look like it did ten years ago. You know act has the what you really want to do is impress your kids when you have kids. Trying to impress your kids earlier, you try you. They weren't even your kids. You're trying to press him. But that I was trying people always wonder why Adam Sandler makes has spent like ten years making kids movies. It's like because he had kids he wanted to impress his kids people. That's why these celebrities eventually they start making movies that are geared toward people who coincidentally are the same age as their kid Walberg. Yeah. Ted with upper. I'll be interested to see where we go next few weeks with this tiger story in terms of is he really back. Well, he's back in the sense of what we were talking about it. But what if what if he goes to the US open, and he's like leading after day to like could he really like actually be back? Does he not back until the Tiger Slam? Is that what you're saying? He had could the Tiger Slam via thing again. But like, you know, Jack's he's three away from Jag. Now. He wanna may he won a major and a master's in every decade. Now is chance to be the first guy. I think to do it in four decades. I don't think anyone did that he's got all these things now that we can start talking about we go back to the sports radio talking head thing. They're all these kind of legacy things that people can start talking about again that were gone that were the ship had sailed. We it was like oh my God. Remember when we thought he catch, Jack, that's like shit. He might might actually catch him. He is forty three. Struck early today. Forty three old guy wins the masters forty one year old guy wins the Super Bowl. Oh, never has ever been this. Good to be in your forties. Forty nine year old guy hosting a great podcasts with Ryan russillo. That's a big one. You fifty this year. I have what are you for that? I just just hope Tiger Woods woods were majors should probably would try to get tiger involved. Be great. I'm so happy. He's back. I really miss them. And one of the things that struck me was that I'll just never like another golfer. This much. I just won't. Especially now, like, you know, there's no way you'll be kind of weird if in your mid fifties. You're like God. I love the Zach whatever kid, but I feel like part of the reason I love tiger is because he hit rock bottom. Like I loved him anyway. But now, it's like. You know, he he made real mistakes that I think are important for people to learn from. And we have these heroes in heroes aren't immortal heroes aren't perfect. Here's fuck up. Here's do dumb shit. They wish they could take back. Like, I like that. He has the words I think it makes them more human. I always feel like almost everybody has them. And there's just some people to get caught in a ton of people that don't. So that's just how I look. So I never build anybody up my head anyway before anything happened unless I actually really feel like I know the person good or bad. But I have we'd how old are you? I'm forty three. I have a little bit of a problem in. I think I had a really good seat for this. You know, when you're doing something where you feel like you're getting the nation's perspective fed back to you. And to see the shit fest on this guy, and I had heard rumblings were tiger was like, look, I get it. I screwed up and. My crime was women. I didn't buck and kill anybody. Yeah. All right. And like I kind of thought about that was like, yeah. You know, you did something that you're not supposed to do that. You know, we can talk about what family values aren't all these different things. I didn't like how the public took a total dump on this guy. And then we are so predictable that when he wins. It's like man fucking love this story. Let me give you a hug. Let me give you hug now. I go. I can't go individually and keep track of who said what? And all this different stuff. I just think that's what we do in this country. A lot were incredibly just mean and harsh nasty, but then we're also forgiving, but then if you win again, and you provide us something will embrace the hell out of you like nothing ever happened. So this is what happened in Ben Affleck, basically to compare them to Tiger Woods as like him as an act of audible, I'm gonna turn my mic. Get ready. Get ready for this one. The the classic story. The celebrity is you hit it big. Everybody loves you something happens where it's meteoric. And then at some point everybody has wait a second. Hold on. Who who the fuck is this guy, then there's the fall, then we kicked we kicked the person beat the shit out of them. Then they crawl back, and they had the comeback and we're like half fucking love this guy. It's nasty me done debt that is the arc. Now. Tigers obviously, more talented. The Ben Affleck. It's the town was pretty good. But like if you go back, and you y you read like the gone baby gone stories and the town of Aflac when he was reestablishing himself as a director, and he was really trying to win the credibility back as much as anything with people that, you know, please take me seriously. I'm not just the guy who just was grabbing paychecks dune Armageddon like actually really care about the craft of what I'm doing was wrong with Armageddon. I don't think you know, he had Pearl Harbor, although I mean, oh, no. You mean, everything that goes news, not going to be good will hunting, no way. Right. You know, it goes all the way and Dayton's slabs, and he's has a drug and alcohol problem all that stuff? But then it goes all the way to Argo, and it's like Ben Affleck has won his staged a full comeback. And I remember right in this at a time for grantland. That's when he did the Batman movie that was his patriots. Fuck you. I'm going for nineteen no moment where he'd already won he'd already the comeback. And then he was like, you know, you don't be really great. If I pulled up Batman. And my question is what now does that become for Tiger Woods would is his version of Ben Affleck being like, this was all great. I'm back. But now, I'm going to be Batman. So you'd think probably him. I mean, if you put me on the spot to think of something that's comparable. So that's throwback back on the cast is I think I'm ready tiger tiger just keeps playing way longer than everybody wants him to that would be his bat like age. Sixty f and anybody addresses where he's like, I feel like I haven't really even played my peak golf yet. He's doing like Tigers Devon, everybody's roaring laughing. But by the way, house an eye on the pod like three weeks ago, 'cause we're we did he came on the pot, and we tried to figure out should we bet on tiger to win the masters how realistic exists, and we looked it up. And it had been like ten guys in golf history won a major Tigers Asia row there the I think he's like the seventh. Oh, I don't even see this that today, but he's got to be like the seventh or eighth oldest guy to win a major just at the ages in now. So history says it should be this might be his last major, which is fine. I'm just glad he's playing off again is in our lives. I've never been anti him. Like a lot of people I go. Hey, just want them around want them around. There's nothing more played out than when somebody thinks. It's an original thought like, you know, what I like is when he's in the mix sort of like it when he's in the mix, and you go. Oh, no shit. I've never heard anybody years. But. Anywhere, the red outfit. Do you like how you brought it back old school? Tiger outfit. I have some questions about his nipples. I just I can't can't figure out what about the monitor neck. I don't really like those mocks at all. I thought cousin Sal had a great tweet on Saturday where he was like, I hope everybody in the spinal grouping can again, we're all lilac golf shirts. That was a really good tweet. But when he put his arms out, and it was, you know, I don't have kids. So I understand like people think I'm incapable of understanding what it would be like to hug your kid after everything in comparing it to the Earl hug, but I was just in that moment. Happy for him. Just really really happy for that. Dude. I my whole dad DNA kicked in the hug and the kids I could watch anyone hug their kids. Like, I you know, sportscenter and ESPN all do those videos of watch his dad came back from Iraq. And he's going to surprise his kid at a basketball game. I get choked up every time cyborg. Yeah. I it always gets me. I just saw one recently of somebody's brother came home and sat next to him in the cafeteria and the kid didn't realize it for a minute and he saw him and his whole body sank. And he just hugged them on my this is always gonna work on me. I saw one of the minor league baseball game. And they were like he's been at tennis camp for two weeks. And he and he came out. It was like, okay. This kim. Coming up. I'm going to tell you why Tiger Woods is come back. Actually, wasn't that meaningful. But first, let's take a break. Let's talk about Robin Hood, it is investing app that you buy and sell stocks ETF's options and cryptos all commission free. Well, the brokerages charge up to ten dollars for every trade, Robin Hood doesn't charge any commission fees. See can trade stocks and keep all of your profits. Plus no account minimum deposit needed to get started. You can start investing in any level. 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Which we'll talk about later, we're gonna eat food. And there were a tape this podcast. I think the number one story coming out of the weekend. And I think you agree with me is w Tf Philadelphia. No doubt. I don't even who would be in the finals with them for San Antonio, probably winning as a seven Denver. You know, Denver's losing home. We'll get in all the stuff. I know a little bit later. This is we sign even close. There's so many layers to this Philly story. Well, that's the thing is like Lou I would start. Here you go. Why play bead why play him in game one? Why let it drag. Why make it like a almost a game time decision? Messed up the team the uncertainty as opposed to just Hayes not playing or also this is this is your guy. This is the guy you're paying thirty five million dollars a year to he is the key to whatever your teams could be the next five years, and he was running around. You know, it looked a little Greg Oden initially gotta say like he he just looked Wade creek area like attache p- if he's out of shape. Why do I want him run around and playoff game? 'cause that's that's a great way to get hurt. Worse drama fans, by the way, we can't even get mentioned is a big story when we live. We'll get we'll get to you Toronto. I know just he took more threes the JJ Rettig. It took worth three is Tobias Harris. Aegis look slow and Atta shape at definitely get hurt the team, but more importantly risky, and I just don't get it. So explain it to me the size numbers are so overwhelming what he done against your Alan any of other their big lineups. I don't think he was a guy that he missed a lot of threes because he misses threes now, and it's a bad shot for him. And it's frustrating to see him do that especially when you have a team where the other four starters average over seventeen a game. You don't need to take those. And I also never understand. Why anybody goes for that along aided pump fake, but people still do it? So the nets are trying not to. Yeah. Yeah. The try I think they've done a better job than some of the other teams I've seen do it. So I thought the first four minutes of that game told you the reason why the Sixers wanted to play 'em because it looked overwhelming. And you're looking at how big Philly is when they're right. You know, like this is so much size for Brooklyn even deal with. But then I. I think when you give the team the tastes that you're gonna have him. And you know, there's all these different things we can point to. But when Brooklyn went small and Atkinson, really, I think that a number on Brett Brown in this game. Yeah. And you could see that Philly. It wasn't that. They didn't have Joel in. But they still sort of expected him to fix all of their defensive mistakes. And then they're going small. They're getting switched into Rettig. Right. Feel like Brown even left Redican hoping he would foul out. Yeah. And it was it was really messy. It was really messy at home for Philly team that I still think I still think needs to prove to the rest of us. And maybe even Philly fans that just like who are you really like are you guys actually mentally tough or you to huge, shiny toys with two other nice scores and a guy hits threes. And I don't know if I can really buy into you. And that's Simmons game to me is the pit ame- of why we all worry about Ben Simmons, and who he's really going to be because he was invisible in that game. And if Embiid is going to be out, that's when Simmons is supposed to be unlocked. And you know, and then afterwards like none of these guys handle it. So that's all of this stuff combined. Like all the Philly problems sort of happened at once against yes. A competitive fund spunky well coach Brooklyn team that should be beating the Sixers at their place game on even if embeds arou- he only played four and a half minutes at star the first quarter, they took them out. And that's when my eyebrows were raised as this is weird. If you're gonna play in plam is getting fouls against everybody. If he can only play four and a half minutes and you got arrest them. You know, you worried about his foul trouble situation. Whatever like, I just didn't. None of it felt right? The game plan didn't fill rate didn't get JJ involved at all. Like if you're not gonna run plays for j j just don't play it just play TJ. Yeah. Just don't play 'em. Like, you can't have out there. Just standing around because he's gonna they're gonna go after him on the other side. It confirmed to me two things that I was worried about with them really since before the trade deadline. I'm not sure. But Brown's good coach. I just don't know if he knows how to pull the strings I thought he got his ass kicked in game one and more importantly their best five. I'm not sure are good together. And I saw this that while they've only played ten games. And this is what we problem like when you've only played ten games. It doesn't mean. Oh, just give us the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. I don't know what to look for what also he staggers those two guys. Like, he he would try to keep us out there and get the other two away from them. I get it. But they still have a real whole being unable to like they couldn't contain Spencer did Winnie Ma on Saturday. And it's like this is what I was saying February who who's guarding kyri who who's guarding Damian Lillard who's guarding like any shifty guard who can put somebody in a screen and either for three ago to the basket, they'll have the purse, they don't have none of those five guys can handle a guy like that. I just think the the lineups were doned in in. It's like if Harris's getting his that means somebody else isn't getting his. Ben Simmons the last five minutes of the game. I don't know what the hell he's doing. And he just disappears for stretches. Now, it's just a lack going on. I don't like any of it. I don't know what Simmons and I liked their players. It's both like their players, right. I love him, and I don't like their banks. I don't think they're benches very benches fine. I actually do I go below average on the bench. But the bench shouldn't matter in the playoffs of all this time off in between. And your team is young. And you have these flicked a whole point. Is you have these four guys are all huge and Jimmy Butler went off, and it was kind of a funny Jimmy Butler game in the sense is like so I'm going to be the only one here. Like, I'm going to be the only one that understands this game one. So like, well, he he's strapped it on the second quarter. But in a way that we all knew was that sustainable because I don't think he can put four quarters together. He comes and goes. Yeah. But at least they got something like at least it looked like a tough guy in the Ben Simmons stuff. I just look at it and go, you know, there's a reason why he gets knocked more than others because last year when you watch him Ugo, this dude is enormous. And to end his vision he can board. He should be able to swallow up other guys in a certain times defensively where it looks really really good. And then you see in today's game. Like, you haven't changed at all. So now, I'm like re calibrating what I think of you in your ceiling. But since it was thought that maybe this guy is going to be a top ten player. He doesn't understand spacing. They keep brings guys in when other guys like he'll bring his guy into the paint when somebody else's working in the paint. Because it's almost like, well, I know I can't stand outside 'cause the sag off of me. So I don't I don't know if that's another coach part of its on Ben and realizing like there's going to have to be possessions where you have to stay in a certain spots. But that was that was a horrible game. And then his whole attitude afterwards. Like, oh, if you're Boone us than stay on that side. And you're like, hey, dude, you're in Philly figure it out like this is what's going to happen? I was embarrassed by that I actually thought that felt like a little bit of a generational thing. Which yeah, we've talked about the players all season about their attitudes toward fans and behavior and sometimes is just fine. And other times, it's like guess what? We're always going gonna have cheering and booing in sports. And if you suck at home to a nets team that you're supposed to beat in five games and only two guys on your team shows up, and you're in Philadelphia where they're they're always going to call it like it is which is one of the reasons I think Boston and Philly fans, even if they hate each other they kind of a little more similar than maybe one. Admit absolutely like that was a no show there on national TV. They deserved to be booed. They lost to a nets team. They're down twelve fourteen. The first half Russell was dog shit in the first half. Yet. He owns you. He was terribly means great in the third quarter of the free press. But the if you told me DeAngelis can play like dog shit in the first half. What's the score gonna be I-? Nets in double figures would have been inconceivable. So they gave up sixty two points to the nets with James Russell plainly shit in first-half, and he'll be really good in one the next two games. But the city is a problem. Now didn't what he's good. He's he's he's good and. Verts back and all these different guys. Well, that's the Vernet signs what the last three weeks starting to look like learning because there was a couple of moments a few weeks ago, whereas it felt a little Hayward ash. Whereas I might he might need eight nine months before he looks like himself again because that was somebody in November December member they were gonna they somebody wanted Jimmy Butler Minnesota on Jimmy Butler for him. Let's we're like no way. I made fun of that on this podcast. Oh, you don't want to give up care subvert that. Actually like that. They were right. I was wrong. They shouldn't have wanted to give him up because. We were talking about this earlier today. But historically, there's always these things you've mentioned Ryan gome. She got like I want G, but we have grown now. But he goes, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Curious lever was actually always really good. He just said and she contract. Yeah. No. Absolutely. So I get that point of it. But if you're Philly go, hey, guess what we're gonna figure out the NBA thing? But we got to be more than anything. We're going to be ready when they go small, and we gotta figure out a way to make them pay. When they go small instead of us chasing everybody around like if we're actually a decent defensive team, which was supposed to be. But yeah, it's this carryover as a carry over last year and not really going. Oh, wait a minute. You're gonna get bounced by this hurt Celtics team when you have him be say the figure at the NBA thing would have. What if this is just who is for the rest of the playoffs, then it's needs. Don't get less sore now in Plath grand were playing like every two every three days now for the next two and a half months, when's he gonna rest the rest is better now than it is in the regular season. No. But I'm saying it seems like he needs always three weeks off. He's not going to sit out any games. I'm holding out. Hope I'm holding out hope that. Maybe that's stupid. But you think all right? So let me put it this way. You think this is who the who this is the MVP Phillies getting for the rest of however long their run is. I don't see why we wouldn't think that. There's something wrong with his knee. He's having issues. Why is it going to be better? Today's from now. I don't think he's as bad. This isn't like an ankle sprain. It just this is if take three seasons. I don't think he was as bad in game one as as you do. Well, you know, you know, one of my specialties is I like to study the running styles of very tall, man. They all look bad running when they're that big. He is looked. I've always watched him and one of the things I liked about him is when he ran it didn't seem like the Odin type thing. Whereas just like, oh man that looks like that hurts lewdly hurt to watch. In that game. One at hurt to watch him run. I felt like he really looking down. No, I'm talking about like rebound running down the floor when they let you. See Embiid when he's tired, even when he's not hurt when he's tired. He looks terrible when he's tired, but I'm talking to first half. It looked that way. The argument is on your side. He had to leave the game. Here crow Embiid. Yeah. I haven't given up on the idea that like, maybe we can figure this thing out, and he'll be okay. At some point. I think like seventy seventy five percent rest of the plas. If he's not though if you can't go so he's done game to he's not playing again, you think the nets then when this series. Will you laugh demand Thursday? I tried to get you there on Thursday with this. Are you a little bit of a victory lap on? No, no because I didn't fully commit all. I said was this Irish had recipe. This had all the makings. It had the coaching the chemistry the injuries the unfamiliarity. A nets team that I thought people were sleeping on. It had all the makings. They were five to one favorites or five to one hundred dollars on Friday, which I thought was crazy. I thought you presented all those things. And then you still kinda didn't pick him. I just said I thought it was a seven gamer. I guess I I still feel that way you still looking at the Sixers team going, are you really gonna lose this nets team. And I always think it's important remind ourselves sometimes weird shit happens in game on and then you you. It's the only sample that you have for that match up and you go. Oh my God. I can't believe this and they should win game two. They'll get all the calls. This is what we know this works. But this is a weird. It was a very weird Saturday Sunday where you had this many teams like, wait a minute. They lost like these guys are gonna lose. These guys are gonna lose. So I'm not saying this is. But the Toronto thing I look that. And I'm like Larry was complete dog shit. I can explain that series of one-sentence are explained that game and went sentence. Larry got outscored thirty five to zero by DJ Augustine and Michael Carter Williams. I don't think that's going to happen. Again. Now about that Lowery in the playoffs. Thirty five to nothing. I I don't know what Lowery does before these playoff series. But just do something different for he's hurt. I mean. Yeah. Okay. But the problem is man. I mean, he was terrible. He was terrible. When Michael Carter Williams is single Hanley rejuvenating his already kind of juvenile career. I like when Lowry broke his face open Lowry also flop and tried to get a call. I'll say one thing that I noticed over and over again in I'm with you. I never liked to overreact to game one. And despite money's always to Ziege in game two if things were zag in one way, go the other ring into but I did notice with the clippers with Indiana with. Who's he oh, clippers Indiana. Who is the third theme? Oh, Detroit, which is like the charts a loss cost. But I wish we could vote to not have to have that on anymore. That would have been nice just cancel it. Yeah. Hey, you guys moved on to the second round. We we don't wanna take the chance Jaanus is gonna get hurt your walking advances. That's by the way, another thing. When I watched like Durant go down at one point the Golden State game. I think it went down a couple of times watching him be because Embiid was on the floor a bunch early. Maybe that's another pro Simmons. Embiid is really banged up. We'd went down like six times. He was brought it was I thought that was grit. I watch a lot of Sixers this year. I felt like I felt like he was way off. But when it was like, I'm just saying there's going to be one injury. That's going to change. The course of one of these playoffs stories. No question. One thing. I noticed though is in the regular season versus the playoffs. You need your two guys, right? Who can create a shot and in the regular season gallon air in the first quarter? Lou Williams in the second quarter and fish. Figure out who's gonna get hot. It makes sense over the course eighty two games. But then when it gets to the playoffs and everybody is going full speed and try and really really hard. And you're on the road. It just it's like a giant magnifying glass, and how ridiculous it is that this is your team in this is where you're relying on in that you don't have James hearted in your own. I've kyri in your yawn s you don't have that guy. And like even today with Indiana Boston turned the defense up in the third quarter. Really good defense crab got into it. And it's like, we'll see what Bogdanovich has up a, sleet. It's like this is crazy this is. And then if it's like when he then it's tyreek Evans if it's not him. And those are the two creators it's like you can't win a playoff game on the road against a better team. That's playing well. Those are your two guys. It was it took me today to realize that was Matthews came out just pissed off like he had the full samurai headband on yet. And I'm like, wait a minute is is Wesley. Matthews gonna in Pacers were crisp and they were mad as like everybody's doubting us. The Celtics were slow on a bunch of stuff. And then all the Pacers stars couldn't score in the second half. And the Celtics like, hey, why don't we just like Celtics mailed it in that? I won miss Indiana. Missed the bunch of open shots in the third quarter. Where could have been like the lead could have gone higher. Things could happen. It was like forty five to forty four awhile. And India was like a basic shot. Yeah. It was a fake comeback in there. I've always looked at every team. And that's why I worry about the jazz that whole to score thing. It look at Golden State Golden State against the clippers which is a little bit of what Houston did Houston guard three guys with five, but it never really mattered. Like, they stayed with those rules, the clippers are doing something like that where they're guarding Durant. Clay and Steph with five and they're keeping everyone below the baseline, and they're leaving dream on wide open. Exactly what they should do right now. And it didn't work, and that's fine. It doesn't mean. You should deviate from it and Draymond on hits those first two threes. But think how clogged up sometimes Golden State can look trying to figure out. Okay. How are we going to tax them of things? These guys are doing when they're guarding us with five and ignoring completely selling out with the philosophy that we're during those two guys. Can you imagine being the Pacers and trying to find buckets when Golden State struggles at times, right? Well, and that's what I was thinking last night. I'm watching the democrat Denver is gonna win the series that they have better team. And then you see the play offs. It slows down a little and San Antonio has two guys who can get a shot. Right. Oxygen derozen can at least get decent shots. Denver's two guys were Yokich who doesn't really take a lot of shots and awesome. They're really relying on Jamal Murray. And you know, they took nine shots, by the way. I know, but he's he had fourteen assists is creating he's creating it's creating plays. But Yomiuri was there. Other guy engine bomber. He didn't have it. The whole game. He ends up taking twenty four shots. He screws up on the last two plays. And the thing that was alarming to me, you know, and you don't think of it. I'm watching them in a regular season context. But in the playoffs when you really need like whoever I don't really even know what their other options were. And I don't think Mike Bologne did either is I have all right Shimaa. Maybe maybe Jamal will get small wide open seventeen footer to win the game. Basically this maybe this'll get him going. Then even really have anybody else they could run that play for so now now I'm like I thought other Denver is gonna kill San Antonio. And now I'm looking at it cone Faulk are a really San Antonio in the western finals is that has to play out. You know, we could still be right about both teams being underwhelmed. And they're just playing each other right now to you know, so when I looked at San Antonio going in like, you know, this doesn't really doesn't feel like it's that dangerous team to score guy. I'm with you. But at the end of the day, I can't believe it just said that hate that phrase the Denver shots. Six twenty eight from three. Okay. They're not going to do that. Again. Gesture mammary is actually still a question Mark at this point in his career. And this is what he does. He he is a little if you see him if you see him on the right lane on code, right? You're like, oh my God. This guy's better than them Booker. But he missed a big three the air balled Malone in an zero ran a really it wasn't even a complicated was a high screen where he ended up his Spurs sag too far off it was a beautiful open. Look he misses that one. And then he gets stripped by Derek Whyte, who's a classic example of a spur that I go the Spurs drafted him. So I guess he's going to be good and he just fits in. He was terrific a game one, and he was all pumped up, and you're like joe-marie just had three major major screw ups at the end of this game. But is Malone supposed to do something else? Because loans a good coach the other thing that was noticeable because the playoffs the the just just hotter. The lights are brighter. Teams scouted. You. It's just making fun of my end of the day. We on that. Just could feel it. They don't really have like a point guard. And it's I was fine with it the whole year because I think the whole point guard things overrated, but at the same time like the nets have two guys Dinwiddie and Russell that can at least calm situation down and make sure the boggles to the right place. Denver really relies on Yokich to make sure the boggles the replace which is just abnormal. I'm not saying it can't work. It's just weird to me. And by the way, we're talking about the two score in the other reason about that up. If Paul George is really hurt which it seems like he might be okay. See is down to the one score which is a real problem because at one score is feast or famine Westbrook, and that was another one my fear with. Okay. See I thought they were gonna win the series. I thought Georgia's healthier had just watched him in that Houston game the other night. And it seemed like is the shoulder was manageable today did not see manageable today and. I think they were bummed out after I think we're gonna find that after the year that he has like a torn rotator Cup. You think everybody's just really hurt though. Like is there any part of nice? He's really hurt. I think might have like a torn rotator might be. That was the word on the street a little bit too. No, I get it. But you know, I look at the end of that Portland game. Where it feels it gets Portland put up this big lead. Everybody comes back. It's weird when somebody is up twenty and they maintain the whole thing is just the way this game works and okay. So he's defense really cranked up there too. They're staying with the guards more which also led to canner having a field day with the rebounds. I know you want to get to canner here. But it's my guy George is struggling all day. He can't hit anything. The only thing keeping a minute. Scoring wise is his free throws because he's still ended up with. Twenty six points, which is so fake, but he had a three that was like a non pressure three that he kind of walked into. And then there was a three that they ran for him. Then he missed and it just reminded me of all the Paul George stuff that we've been kinda let down about with him in the past. Right. And so if we got rid of the and if he's hurt in look he's obviously a hurt to some degree. But that makes them very different. 'cause I think Westbrook like this wasn't a bad Westbrook game at all it was. I was tracking last six minutes. He was deferring. He was making the right reggae. He the only time he really forces when he grabbed that defensive rebound. He just try to go and and even make it passes on free throw line. And it was just a collision in Portland and up with the ball back. I liked how he was using atoms down the stretch to he wasn't like China. No, I it was it was definitely a higher level thing. But let look I'm just talking pure I test I think sometimes you can tell when. Somebody doesn't look right, especially if you watch them awhile and the two guys that stuck out to me this weekend. Like that guy doesn't look right were Georgia and Embiid. I just don't think they look right Embiid. They gave us evidence that he's not right by leaving. I've just also about how about his quote about it only hurts when I jumped or cut. Let's say, okay. Well, so there's that I just run the help. Stand named Paul George isn't hurt. What I'm saying is I've also seen Paul George looked like this when he was supposedly healthy. That's my this is one of my favorite russillo. Things the way when you don't play. Well, do we have to make an excuse to say you're injured? This is your Steph curry thing back when but I actually stuff was her. Yeah. And I I think I think Paul George is. I think we're gonna find out that he's way more hurt than we realize now unin his Kanner. Yes. The floors yours. You know hose you down tiger Nina's in the same day. I have I've been on a couple of islands Dion waiters island. Obviously. Good smart island. Of there might be. I might owned a small house on JABA Sally island. I'm really talked about it that much. It's one bedroom condo. But it was big Sergei, Monja condo guy. I've always liked canape believe you didn't work out go I like guys who can do things. Really? Well in basketball, I like one tour. That's why I've always like freed and now freed could only probably be successful on fourteen. But now he's one of the four teams is okay canner can post up crashes the offense of boards competitive. Great teammate. As Ben in big games was in a lot of big games in. Okay. See where they bench in. Now. He played he played in that that year into that sixteen like he played in that playoffs. He played. He hurts San Antonio. He had moments. There's also some series where he didn't get in you. But I I had a problem when that happened. I never understood why they didn't play him enough golden stay and everyone's like, well, the advanced metrics, he's terrible. It's like oh are you going to anti nerd right now? I'm going anti nerd because everybody was pointing out the stuff he couldn't do. And the reasons why I was bad to have been in the lineup. And meanwhile, they barely had enough guys that year. And if you watch that live, we did a rewatch Ables on that last game and Golden State the game six and he had like ten points in that game in eight minutes or something. I just I've always thought there was a place for guys like him. And you know, ho- her you on one end, but he'll help and the other. And if he's if he's bringing stuff to the table and taking stuff off the table. I'm okay with that. 'cause most. Subs. Just take stuff off the table actually think he brings some things that table. So that's my case for Kanter. Yeah. Towards the end of that run. And it was because it was Golden State, but he didn't really play as much he didn't play at all. They wrote. Also, he's going against this is one of the greats shooting teams of all time. Yeah. And that was kind of the beginning of some of the small ball stuff. But yeah, they were there were inconsistent with him in his Dallas stuff. I just remember the Golden State series because he wouldn't shut up, and it's like now you're not playing I think he and dream on. It'd be shocking if he was really good. He was really good because Portland needed another level of they just needed another outlet. And he's always look the year is supposed to play Kentucky. If you go back and look at all his stuff, you could tell like man, this guy's really really skilled. But as good as he was in game one and as much as you like him. Maybe this is this is kind of a couple of different things at once. I think there'll be a game in this series. Where it looks like you can't keep him out on the floor. Okay. That's fine. He was variable for free. Yeah. Dan, right. Which is crazy. We have like think of what Philly gave up for Tobias Harris, which I hated when they did it. And if they get knocked out in round one or they get knocked out in round two that's going to look like a disaster. Like just the full full. They keep him and that's their insurance against letting Jimmy go. That's not why they did the trade. The did the trade 'cause they wanted to win the title this year. That was not a trade. Like, oh, I hope if we do this. It'll be easier. Keep Tobias Harris they did the trade because look the trick. Because I like to buy Harris enough thinking, we're going to keep one of those two guys with the the number one reason they did that trade they're trying to win the title this year my nose they said, but no. But I'm saying they looked at it. And I think they looked at it pretty smartly that you never know when you have young superstars, and it might blow up at any time. And you think your window is ten years. And it turns out it's too. We gotta go for it. And we went for it, this that was a trade they made to win the title this year that was not a future trade. I mean, if they keep him great. But I think they really want to win this year. How do we make this about in his canter because they gave up all that shit for Tobias Harris MIR teach goes for a second rounder in his canter goes for free now Tobias Harris as much better than those guys. But my point is you can find people who complain a playoff series. I don't necessarily have to trade. To every asset. I have. And if I am I better get somebody who is a slam dunk. And I don't think Tobias Harris land up if you look at the history of those kinds of deals when a guy is under contract, and you can tell where it's gonna resign things change all the time. When it happened. We both were like, wow, it's actually kind of a lot in comparison to other things craze Spiring free agent. So we're in agreement there. The cantor thing though, maybe the positive is is not just a rebounding in the scoring and knowing that there's going to be stretches where he gets eaten up and as much as like one game one, we can think. Oh, wow. This is how the series is going to look it's not it doesn't like I went back and looked at some of the stuff this the Pacers beat the Cavs last year in game one by teen is ridiculous. The Celtics that year with Isaiah Thomas. They lost to the bulls. They may have lost. The bulls of Rondo doesn't get hurt their the Houston San Antonio series with a year round. Or you're in Rondo doesn't get hurt truth or from two thousand seventeen you think the sell you don't think the Celtics are in some trouble there? I choose not to think about team wasn't that good, man. And then you know, it they weren't that good. But you know, Houston smoke San Antonio remember that series a couple of years ago and that was game. One think they won by twenty something I had it all written down. Here is off the top of my head. And then guess what happened? We're like, man. San Antonio to slow too old, Houston so much more athletic look, at the way, they're cutting. And then guess what San Antonio and six in hard and had an awful awful elimination game to go with some of his other stuff in his bad playoff resume. So all the stuff we've seen drive-by. Yeah. Tartan? So he's turn off the headlights dot James. I try not to freak out too much is bad. As it looked for the thunder the side the thing that I haven't gotten too young Kanner, and I'll make it quick on. This is I wonder sometimes if a team it looks so much what okay see does the high pick and roll with Adams diving and then somebody coming off of that. But if you are saying, hey, let's kill canter this whole game every minute. He's in there. Let's kill canter. Let's kill Kanner. Does it screw everybody up? I think that's great. I like laying, but that's you're so focused on exploiting one thing that off your whole Casey out of their offense. I totally agree 'cause everyone's cantors, and we gotta do it. All I know is the guy had like twenty points and eighteen rebounds. And he was able was available for free. Unlike February twenty seven it's crazy is this really a Celtic segment that we just any scanner is this about your dad did it for my dad. Can you just by the way? Can you? Can you share what happened here that? I can. Oh, no. I can't can. Okay. So my dad he goes he likes to go away to this one place where I won't say where they are every with my stepmother does the trip this year and does it for the middle weekend in April not realizing that it's masters weekend. The only two people that like tiger more than I do in my life. Well, maybe how scenario tied my dad and my agent James baby doll Dixon, who is like who actually has like a tiger statue in his basement loves tiger. It's his favorite life size. But he I think it is life size, actually. But so he loves tiger. He's been waiting for this forever. He left to go to his vacation last night. So watches round three now realizing that this tiger event is going to have any say like, hey, worst-case ahead of time like kidding around. Yeah. Where's K yet? He he's like oh worst case tag ruby in the hunt. But it will still be a win. He said something like that. But will still be win. Because that'll mean Tigers doing well like he'd tried to be magnanimous about it is in a place where there's no not latte television. He's basically reading Twitter and text for me. That's how miserable. Could he is joy for Tigers? Accomplishment. Can that be enough to offset the fact that he's not able to watch any of it? I think he's happy and absolutely devastated. 'cause this was like he said this on the hot cast last year. He said it was his number one sports wish for tiger to win the masters. That's not any Boston title over Celtics season tickets, and this is number one sports for show over that. And somehow he didn't get to the fourth round because the other the other ten years have gone pretty well for all the other thing. He look at another way and be like demand has no wishes let I kinda wish thirteen title. Revolution. I really wish the revolution. They have good owners. I really wish you had tweeted out some absolutely douchebag Boston tweet. And we're like I'm Azure claiming this one because I was there since his amateur rounds so duck boat. I don't me softly. I don't have a boxer anymore. I used to sugar as to be my guy. And then I heard that in the Aaron pod, and then Hagler, and then they fought and that was weird when who'd you root for Leonard Hagler I rooted for Leonard. But I, but it was a lot of soul-searching asshole. I know Leonard was my guy from seventy six Olympic. So I had a longer longer tail with them. But macaroni guy day, you have guys. I do. I mean, I have never really had a golfer though. I don't there's guys I've met I like I wouldn't claim to say, I know any of them all that. Well, I didn't ever root for tiger. When tire lost tournament was upset now. So you're a different level with that. Actually, it's not even the same stratosphere trying to think like what individual guys I've liked. Oh, I like federal lot. I've always really enjoyed what I do too. He's he's like kind of tiered two or tier three for me. I wouldn't I wouldn't say Sean way bigs AM X games guy, mostly winner. So yeah, that's been a good run to Cogan. You know, who I liked much, man. Randy savage. I loved as a big junkier dog guy. But he never really, you know, is is g Y fans. We knew we were never gonna chance of the title. We'll may golf guy was nNcholas just because growing up. I was a kid in the seventies and the icons you just for the icons you kind of like the Cowboys then to none of nNcholas tiger. No, Ali nNcholas. Yeah. But nick. Nicolas is like he's Ali Jesus man front runner. Everyone liked Aaliyah's nine hundred seventy five he was the most popular who've being on the planet. What were you though? We've wait a minute. If you're I was five and six. Yes. So we'd wide wrote a sports back then. Okay. Right. Allie was on every week. And it was like him and evil knievel. Those were the two guys. It was like these are my guys did you ever read montville Zebo can even book. Yeah. It's that is an incredible. He was like I felt like they were equally famous like the first seven years by knievel was miserable. Every stunt. Yeah. He was geared to death. He didn't wanna do anything in all kinds of drugs shouldn't really bad guy. Yeah. And that's guy in montville that book. I I would put that up. There was one of the greatest sports books. I've ever read by the way, just I'm I know you likely, right? I didn't want to be pumping up guys idea. But that bird was my guy. Yeah. But that one makes sense. You're a Boston guy who also happen to like sugar. Ray ali. I haven't had a lot of guys seems like I've had more guys than you for the guys. Individuals stuff. Yeah. I don't I don't have a ton of individuals as a big Greg LeMond guy. Let's take a break. We'll talk about Bud Light. But let his keeping it real by putting in ingredients label on their packaging. Brewed with hops. Barley, water and rice, no corn syrup, no preservatives. No artificial flavors. You know who else is keeping a real right now. You watch him billions Kyle. No, are you you billions what happened my internet's out your internet's out. You say your internet keeping a real knock even a real Jesus. Well, you've five billions episodes billions has been keeping a real this year game of thrones get a lot of attention right now. And rightly so, but I like to look at Sunday night as an extravaganza of television that I enjoy that including the basketball playoffs maneuvers berry of people watch veep. Come I'm going to binge veep at some point in my life. I'm like about six seasons behind on veep. But speaking of keeping a real cheers to Bud Light. Nobody keeps them more real than them Ramani to enjoy responsibly and keep a real. Winners and losers of the weekend just quickly because I'm with you. We always overreact to that first weekend. I do think I do think the nets are kind of a bad match of proficiency. I don't know if that will translate to an actual win. But that that is not not a typically easy first-round series. That's a look it was bad for a bunch of reasons. But I think the biggest thing is who is this Philly team. Who are they really are they bunch of individuals? Here's affiliating themselves versus it just has also the wrong things after the fact, and then like any of it in the Amir Johnson phone thing was we already even talk about talk about it because it's like, okay. ESPN catches it. We see it everybody. Immediately freaks out me included. You're looking to be kidding me. And then all of a sudden day mcmenamin is been reporters like well. Wait a minute. Amir's daughter's really sick. So then everybody feels guilty about the tweets and all this different stuff. But Brett Brown came out and didn't sell that message at all which means will wait a minute. Did did he not by mere story was that not the real story? What's going on? He was fine mere apologize to the team. So if that so something's wrong. On there. And I don't want to sit here and debate whether or not because they're still a part of us like look of his daughter was really that sick. I don't wanna do that or be that guy. But that Philly team is this really all it's been now is hope there's nothing in whenever they went fifty games. They're fifty and thirty two right? And let's face it. It was a success based on everything. But it was a bunch of wins against teams that were tanking at the end of the season. And I got to excited about it too. They've done nothing for me to go. Hey, I'm gonna give them in for that a little bit other than just the names, and I'm still sort of doing that a little so that what you think about where we were year ago. This is a round before they lost to the Celtics and five and we were thinking this is the next great young team. They had all these assets. They had two of the best ten young assets. In the league, maybe the ten best assets period for like, the train value com or something Simmons was on a real run where it seemed like he was starting to look a little Magic Johnson and bead was dominant and really is going to be good while they hadn't given up. It was like eventually faults will come here, and this is all going to go. And now they they lose to Boston and five they had the confetti game is the big legacy that series breath. Brag it's totally coach they know they might have a problem with Brett Brown. They don't do anything about it. It's almost like they feel bad about all the hinky feel bad. Yeah. They let's give him one more chance so net suck the fire. The guy when they actually started getting good. He got pretty badly at work. Then that Sears goes to the Kalandul thing that started by the ringer. Unfortunately. So, you know, full disclosure, but we wrote a piece that ended up getting the job. AM fired. They trade they do that trade where they get the the future Miami pick. They trade down from ten to sixteen right for no dire. Smith who Atlay ends up has huge sickness thing. Mrs almost the whole season. Then they do that they go all in Jimmy Butler. Then they go all in on Tobias Harris. Now, they have no assets left. I don't think anybody thinks Harris and Butler come back in beads hurt again. Like if you just ranking the holy shit like you can get another coach if Butler leaves her hair. Sleaze whatever you you figure it out you use your cap space for something else. The Embiid being hurt again. If that's a serious thing. That's red flag. Number one. The biggest one what is Simmons? Why don't we feel any different about him than we did twelve months ago that worries me and then they don't have the assets anymore? Like the process is over. There is no process is their team. So how do you have nothing? I have nothing to add to it. I just don't. 'cause all I can tell you. There's no other move. There's other players. There's other groups guys look around the league. And that's what's so weird about the east is quite proven will go is proven with different organization. And the thing is nice and the ball that Orlando game could have gone either way. I'm not yet worried about like, I'm not doing the same old Toronto thing again here yet, it was j Augustine. Hey check and a terrible era game in Orlando. Stomas loss, and by the way, vucevic and the way they went and double them twice. You had an Aaron Gordon. Follow by Jonathan Isaac threes in the opposite corner. Those two guys hit two huge threes in that game. Kawai makes the great read kicks out his soul that one goes in and out that to me is a coin toss game. I'll wait until Toronto loses game two at home before. I start freaking out about them again. But collectively, it's not proven Milwaukee's. New Jaanus scares the shit out of everybody else needs. Should it seems like he's that guy that I don't know what anybody's going to do with this, dude. Now, boston. I have no refill. Do you feel like Boston? If if it gets. The bus Milwaukee round two. That that that series in Golden State Houston are gonna be the conference finals, basically just trying to process it all out because when you said Boston and really think we had anything to say, although I know Gordon Hayward, I don't know what the final numbers were Gordon Hayward. He looked not as good as how he looked. He looked really good today species. This has been a three week thing. Trying to help people. He's super aggressive again and he didn't finish shots today. But I like the way I stand by him getting the ball in transition just going in that he was going to make the decision. I was like, whoa. Wait a minute. Did you see when he cherry picked on and play in the fourth quarter for Horford Horford hit him on a little lefty reverse, but he's taken off now meet again. You know? So I mean is it running through all this stuff? And I don't want to do too much more in Philly here because there's really no disagreement. Good one for you in a second. I'm just saying if I'm gonna kinda hold out hope for you. I usually like a little evidence that you know, you've that you've done something before. And they haven't when I know outs. No judges being Philly in general Celtics the same thing. I mean, the Celtics at times, I'm like, are you guys the most delusional like they released that video? But like we still don't see anybody's being seven. And you're like, you're the four seat guys. The like, you're you're not the four seat after back to to the best things for them. As Horford looked better today, just moving better and seemed healthier and the way Hayward's by I have a good one. For your Kyle, Mark the spark this is this is a potential breakout on Twitter. This is a great what if that? I don't think we realize was a whatever. But now, I look back, and it would have been really fun. If it had put out this way. What if LeBron got into Philly last summer? Instead of the Lakers. Simmons comes off the bench. Maybe he makes him as better. But maybe then they don't have to do the Butler trade. Betrayed Simmons for Trevor Aretha. The Broncos up James Jones if LeBron goes to Philly last summer, it's just more fun for every Phillies more fun in the Lakers were fun. The Lakers are more fun. Yeah. Because the Lakers are just an unequivocal train wreck. But at least they have cap space and they're built around young guys. Maybe magic still there. We don't have to read. I love to them. True, true, sermon. Lebron and be like, hey, are you really happy about this? Should you stayed in Cleveland one more year or or Ghana Philly? I guess he didn't want to chase titles. But why not you're the Philly thing was weird. I was looking fake fake seed, they planted to everybody. Yeah. Maybe you didn't it would've been a good? What if though right now, you're not with me? I wasn't expecting what I'd expect him. My mind blown this late Philly. Will you know, the thing is I still don't know. I don't know how that would look basketball wise better better than it looked for either team at they for what was a less couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that. I do think LeBron. Could have brought some good stuff outta Simmons. 'cause I do think Simmons has a high basketball, I q in some ways. Right. Like, he. He's a great passer. He had he does the defensive rebound the way he takes off and goes, and then as you said there's other times where it's like he's never played pickup basketball before he's running into geyser about to make a move or is doing pick handoffs. And he's in somebody's way. And. He just seems really inexperienced to me. Sometimes do we do that thing on the air. Was that you and texting about Simmons wrote a bar how he would be as a customer. I think we did that texting. Yeah. That whole bit though, if Simmons went to like a bar, it was busy, and he he would go over there. Hey, I found a spot and he like, hey, can I get to Madari sours and the guy black? That's a fucking service station with those brass rails or for your surplus. You're you're not supposed to go over there. Please move to the left Simmons. We get drinks. And he'd be like all right. Hold on. He's like I think I've found a spot over there. And he there'd be like this little area in the hallway. This is pretty good guys. Right. And it'd be the hallway to the bathroom and everybody was like why are you guys fucking standing here? Like, no one's standing here. The reason the space was open because no one actually stands near the toilets the whole fucking time. And I was saying he'd be in Vegas. You're playing blackjack. He's the guy standing between third base on one table. And I based on the other who's just crowding both guys the one guy trying to smoke a cigarette and keeps accidentally brushing it and get some it's every now, and then it'll tell you to hit and he's right. He's got his hand on your share, your can you just give me some room. Like how much the drinks be like actually got them for free because he thought I was waiting tables. Yeah. The only other over action for B from from. He's still winners and losers because I think we I think we turned it over actions. Is that the the the Paul George shoulder thing? I can't wait to find out. What's actually wrong with it? 'cause my Spidey senses are just shooting fireworks? They keep alluding to it. They're said like rounded up as soon as the first sub out. It was like, let's make sure we get an igloo on this some quote about how he hadn't lifted it over his head since the Houston game or something and lifted his arm over his head and five days, and it's like what's going on. So anyway, Portland shadow to them really quickly. They lose they lose their center was playing really well Dame. Head of just the ballsy is twenty nine footer. I thought that was great of them. But that last one like he had to has been guardian, but Jane time like he was twenty nine feet away even thinking about it. Yeah. That's pretty great. That was great out of them. Oh, another loser. Have another lose. Okay. Now. You'll like this one. No, no, ready. I'm not telling you I want. I want your your jetpack com for this one. Kevin durant? What are you doing? You're like the fourteenth best player of all time Europe twenty against the clippers. Why why are you in like a blood feud with patch? Like, a double technical objection thing with Patrick Beverley would he doing what's wrong with you? You're thirty years old that didn't bother me. It didn't. Now, if he could anybody what he's at shoot. Tex who's got five left for the rest of the playoffs. I've less what are you doing do? This. Don't get five more tax and lose a game in the postseason. Okay. I think that's that's don't get any texts. That's doable. Let you along with grade Patrick Beverley setting the tone. You know, what I thought was funny is that people on Twitter with that game was on man. The clippers are getting screwed here. Just screwed. I looked it up this same the clippers are taken one more free throw at that point when Beverly and all those guys started going nuts. Beverly was going nuts. Lou Williams going nuts. And then in Beverly got that technical. He didn't get the technical just because he clapped at the ref. He got the technical because he Lou Williams wouldn't let it go while Steph, and then Katie were taken free throws. They just. Wouldn't stop. And then back Beverly claps. So most people are going to agree with you on the Durant. And being he's not a loser on that one beverly's annoying as hell I get. That's how he's in the league. So I respect that part of it. But I don't I think the rain has enough self control. Even though he's been kind of Pissy all year. Remember that remember that playoff game when Larry Bird got thrown out because he started barking with Sedale three to Dell three. Then ever happened because Larry Bird would have just told the guy to get the fuck away and not even the deal three not out though in a regular dancing. He's e he's slap them. It was the greatest slap in the history. No, there was a little us knows open hand. It was an open hand. Tony soprano slap. Philip casual staggered on that one did it was a slap. It was not a punch. I don't like the when your stature is at a certain point. I don't like that. Don't get caught up in that stuff. I in general the way the warriors have acted the last three months. I think is a problem. I don't know why that like acting like it'd be equivalent give me the equivalent babies all the time. Like would you get into a fight with? Don't beef down that there's ever beef down. Don't beat down a Patrick Beverley. But I think that's ridiculous. Also, like, you know, what else bother me is. That was a classic Doc Rivers in daggers great season kudos to him for the coaching. But that was a classic Lukasz mart. AM I'm gonna put Patrick Beverley and Kevin Durant. Watch this guys. It's like, you know, what you should put patch wherever Lance Steph curry have him hounding Steph curry touching them stepping on his feet. That's the guy you need to take out. Kevin Durant can gives points. Anyway. I just watch ages. Staggered the slap. Yeah. Yeah. It was. It was kind of like an open hand. It was a little it hit us wasn't ready for it. It wasn't like a sign YouTube. It's more of a punch than you think it is. But it's open hand. But it's is eight. Whipple out last summer. Debut. Your best line today. Today has let me let me throw win on there yet Houston not just because they won game on they had ninety nine points with seven minutes left against Utah. Ninety nine points. Seven minutes to go in that game. And everybody seems to love in basketball nerd world, this overplay hardened shit where you just sit on his arts. Yeah. A little bit cutting bit because the nerds really embraced it when it happened and. I really think you need to make sure everybody knows the plan. When one guy's giving him a straight line drive. Yeah. And he's left handed which always takes an extra second. So sitting on it doesn't allow him to kind of step back three and get into that left handed shooting position. So I understand that benefit it also cuts down on some of the angles of his passing. But two things there's way too many easy. Just drives to the bucket and hardened got going by the way, and he didn't get any foul. Calls was get any foul calls tonight. And the other problem is is I think consecutive games going. You can put Royston the Ellen just shade them on my right side. Like a guy lighting ours to it. Yes. He's so good anybody. Who's that? Good is going to know. Okay. Look. Hey, everybody just know. This is what I'm gonna do here. This one on a just so I I should have made it so personal. It's just that. I liked it. I like when you get personal. I don't know, man. I don't I don't understand. Why people thought they somehow solved hardened with this overplay, and then that solving and he's one of the best offensive players of all time. You know, what bothered me watching house today? Play actual minutes and a playoff games and you'll house. Yeah. So the rackets had him they screwed up member. They had journalism here. The rackets. Here's Daryl Morey friend of the program, whoever the last twelve years over and over again has found people that end up becoming worthwhile and be a players, right. Like, I don't think anybody has found more people who like wow didn't realize that guy was a role player. This that and they screw up with this guy. And he's just out there for two months. You have all these other teams. And I saw a lot of them. I'm pretty sure not all of them had ten good players. And this guy just floats in freaking out or space for two months. How does nobody signed him be like, oh, Darryl liked him? Which is sign him. He must be good. I was there on that reached that point yet, the Farid one blew me away more. And I don't know you already brought that up how he'd be good only on a few teams. Doesn't it feel like that's the Houston system thing though? Remember, everybody would always want. Everybody on Phoenix when it was Nash. And he doesn't think Philly. You don't think Philly kit us. Halves. In that. All those shots going to be as open. Everything's open. Everything's open in this system. It's awesome. Five as a GM who didn't make the playoffs and I watched the play offs. I'll be watching all these random dudes who just ended up on these teams trying to figure out how I missed sake with cancer kanter's sitting there for four months, eighteen rebounds, twenty points is like did. I miss on that one what's going on here. I be just be studying that, but it's funny how the same teams are getting these guys over and over again credit to old Shane those guys. Because clearly they really like Canada offering them for five years at one point. I just thought like we want to have the weirdest team just. Huge white guys. So that those four teams we mentioned in the last pack as Portland, Oklahoma City San Antonio Denver. And I said to you one of these teams will be in the western finals by rural? And I think we picked o'casey who'd you picked now. His I am at a loss. I don't know who I'd pick. I feel like I'm always the non Denver guy. And I still I don't wanna just give up on them against San. Antonio Denver stock is low. But I think you're right now, you're buying low. But Jamal Mary manages had a bag if this isn't a stubborn. I'm thinking Denver's awesome all season long. Yeah. Like, I think I had it. Pretty good read on Denver. Yeah. And their problems became exposed Jamal Murray had the badger mammary game. And I think you gotta worry. Okay. Where's your head going to be at now after your your playoff experience here? But I still went to you. If you're Malone, you know, I didn't decide to go to Monte Morris instead of you. It's funny. They might actually need it as a Thomas if he had been but bring it back together. 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I don't think. So. Yeah. Spurs minus one fifteen. Now. Plus my nuggets minus one of five Celtics minus eight hundred thunder plus one twenty blazers minus one forty five. Any of those Joe body not the Pacers. The Denver the Denver number feel like you're getting them down a game. Homecourt still basically, even do you think a road team can win a series if they don't win game one? This is one of my weird. There's what's the math on dude? I almost like you have to win game one. If you're if you don't have the game seven road game. There's all these playoff things. I don't like though when somebody says oh season has series hasn't started until somebody beats adding that one there's always everybody repeats. It. All the time. I've never really agreed with them. Like what if everybody was home did the series never happen? So Kyle like that one Dave from Brooklyn wants to know on our on our pod before there. She wondered why Ben Simmons didn't take the leap you expected this year. Oh, no, more Ben Simmons. He's dating at Kardashian. Exclamation point. The list is endless of careers ethics. Is Chris take a detour when the relationship starts. Lamar Blake Reggie Chandler Parsons etcetera. James Ben dating in this somebody in this families easily the single biggest contributor to his lack of progress. This season come on. Now. I don't think it's the car dashing Jenner thing as much as dating another celebrity. So I think they got a slightly unfair rapid this. But I I just think it's when you're dating another celebrity near in that world and the combo of you becomes bigger, and instead of just dealing with somebody who has a normal life, you're dealing with somebody whose life is abnormal as yours. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. Does it say something about the dude more than means anything about the female that it's like you want to sign up for that? You're into that you enjoy this thing. Like, you think this is good for you. I mean, granted you could also be like, hey, I think she's really hot and she's famous so and I'm twenty one right? Yeah. What do I know twenty two whatever it's? Yeah. So it's probably not that complicated. Craig from Ottawa sevi- interesting, though, the P E R of NBA players that pursue famous girlfriends heart, and has been pretty honest about the worst year, my life was when I dated a celebrity, and I wish I had done that like the word like who's with Meg Ryan is with. Chloe was the khloe khloe Carnegie Ryan Craig from Ottawa says, the Nixon ads Patrick patroon will be representing them at the draft lottery. How can the Ewing theory apply to the draft? With the Knicks potential to win the ladder be improved. If you ain't got hurt the week of the lottery, and they had to replace him with somebody else. I think they should try that their place it with Marcus Camby. That's actually a great move Ivo for that today. It's too smart. The Knicks will never do it James. I can't wait for your actions on Josh from Utah. I have get out of jail free card for LeBron and the Lakers higher. Becky hammon. Become the first goat to play under a female coach hang up hang it up. Wait for the thirty thirty two made everybody wins that is one of those things that if they hired her every it would narrative would completely flipped people would be selling to it. So we always at ringer. We always talk about beyond the scenes where it was joke about great hire Twitter, you know, certain coaches or. Yeah. Grams that everybody loves like some personal get hired that nobody knows. And they're just Bs pack read has bent great higher. And it's clear that there's somebody that they've been texting that actually happened with Beck. Lighthouse. Here's what's San Antonio. He would be the great hire all the hammer because everybody loves her. Well, this is a theory that I had on this was actually incredible. That is even brought up because when was a Catherine Smith was the special teams coordinator for the Buffalo Bills soon when it was before McDermott's crews in there, and I looked it up again 'cause she wasn't retained at least in that role. And my point was I have this radio show, and everybody's talking about this is if it's like this real NFL coach, who's female K, and sometimes some of these stories, I'll go, wait a minute. What's really happening? What's actually happening versus what does everybody applauding? And so I thought, hey, I'm gonna have this swing at this topic seven hours after everybody else's redone done it. I thought it was interesting to bring it up and say, this is crazy, and I go it's a sign of the times. And I'm not complaining about it. I'm not complaining about it. But I find it fascinating that no one wants to say, well, this is stupid because three years ago. Plenty of guys would have said, well, this is stupid. What's your background? Why she special teams coach? Ch and it would have been fine. It wouldn't have been challenged. But the climate in the way, we talk about gender roles in occupational stuff and on air like all these different things if anybody ever questions it then that person's the asshole, and I wasn't even in a role on the radio where I wanted to question. I was simply pointing out a new angle on a topic that everybody had taken their swing at going. That is interesting more than the higher itself. Reaction is good higher Twitter, and I still got killed for it. Wow. Interesting fascinating to watch it all unfold, and I go you realize by getting me getting killed. I'm only proving the point that I just made on the air. It's a self fulfilling prophecy like I'm a fucking wizard over here. So if Becky got it, no one would dare go. Well, what's your qualification San Antonio deserves so much credit? You only hear really good things about our. So maybe it should be applauded that she needs at least one more year in the benches from whatever. But people do think she's going to be head coach. Yes. Somebody's going to do. I would. The LeBron thing would be weird because like you can't treat her like, David Blatt. Then it would it would start. It was coming back on you. So why is that a win for LeBron? That would that's an unwinnable situation from abroad. It's that's don't think LeBron wants to be coached to be honest with you just described. Why maverick Carter is gonna be there next catch? Nick 'field wants to know did Magic Johnson created the player empower Manera think about it came into the league is an established are got his head coach fired after signing ridiculous contract. I create a brand for himself and his team the Showtime Lakers, I to become a businessman after his career series of short sighted decisions that he quickly bailed on and approve a rate in that always bounces back. No matter what refuses to get off Twitter. He say magic created the pointer Palmer, I it's all points in it, still LeBron two thousand ten okay. I vote for magic. Yeah. But then why didn't it happen? Like, we're where was this in the nineties where everybody was pulling this stuff since LeBron James just stoned in the nineties. Andy from Kingston wants to though Jamaica main match Anisi. This is great starts when the Cavaliers shocked the world win the NBA draft lottery. How long do you think it will take LeBron start pushing for trade back to Cleveland? So he can play Ziad. Does the Brian have a minimum number of number one picks? The Cavs who needs to get before you were trying to force a trade back to Cleveland. You know, what I always like about the Cleveland thing? It would be like, wow. He wouldn't do that. He hates Dan Gilbert. Well, we already knew he hated him back four years and one of fucking title. So yeah, he doesn't hate him so much. He wouldn't go back. I do love the regretful. Did I leave Cleveland a year too early starting leaving the messages on the answering machine? Hey has it. God. Did you call me? Hey by phone rang. I thought that that wasn't new you didn't FaceTime. I sorry about that. It's been a while rob hardy from North Carolina. Unfortunately, I says after the place that started. But who do you think of breakout series playoff run a lot Chris Middleton last year? Anyone? Anyone anyone in the sixteen teams? In his canter. Yeah. Kanter eighty billion dollars got all these playoffs AP first place votes. That'd be great like tracking NS kanter's future contract right now. It's like pin? Right. Under a married after like three years thirty eight billion easy just for that one game. And then they sign him and they go. Yeah. Three three thirty eight forty five movable. It's movable to your first year. You know, you're paying anyhow. Third years expiring contract Gordon Hayward. No who Seok him. I happened as gonna say Spencer Dinwiddie, I love Spencer. Did we used to have this? Oh, I guess what about one of the Orlando guys? Didn't what he has his moustache are used to that. He wasn't like I want to impress you. I'm just fucking girl on this thing. Yeah. This is for me. Not you. Yeah. How about Derek wait? How about his dunk about the fact that he completely outplayed every nuggets guard and that game? I don't know it has to go back to watch Derek Whyte. Casa make a pick. I think it's fair then nobody's materialize yet. So we could make pick. I'm going to make one wanna make one I'm actually going to I'm going to say the Angelo wrestle because what I liked about his game one. And he's already an all star, obviously. But I think he's a max guy and what I liked about his game. One. Is he sucked in the first half and came out after halftime? It was really good which in a playoff game on the road counts for something. I also found maker, okay? This is I sent you this question earlier. So you'd be prepared VP from Menlo Park says. I looked at the number one picks overall from the past twenty five years Iverson, dunk, LeBron etc. Clearly exceeded expected by number one pick. He said Wiggins in bogut, all under the expected value. He wants to know what is the Mendoza line for number one picks. So. The Keith he thought it was like Dwight or Blake Griffin, which I disagree with those are probably says, basically, what is the cutoff landed determine if you're a successful number on overall pick or not. So Mendoza lands the wrong term. I think Mendoza line is to what he I think he wants like median value Ray like for here. So what is it in voor p- is value above replace some pro vote? Yeah. Value over so VAR is less popular. I thought I listed the twenty five guys. And I thought we'd pick a player, and it'd be like value over John wall or something like that. So I separated by tears like these are the last thirty years tier one is LeBron Duncan and shack tier twos. Iverson Howard Griffin see web, Anthony Davis kyri yet. Because I didn't have Eiriksson is a tier one so virus in. Yeah. Iverson's a whole nother confidentially the last thirty years or LeBron Dunkin and. Check Iverson Howard Griffin Weber. Davis kyri the third tier is a bigger one Elton brand. Yeah. Eljay Derrick Coleman Carl towns. Rose wall Glen Robinson who is completely. Underrated. Ben Simmons Kenyon. Martin Andrew bogut starts going downhill a little bit Deandra eight and Joe Smith who played forever and had a couple of good seasons. And was better than thought next here bogged Johnny Wiggins Perv cells in Kwami Brown. Michael candy last here. Greg Oden Markelle faults, Anthony Bennett, so. If you just do the halfway point of that. The fifteenth guy would be six nine. It would be Staerk rose. John wall Glen Robinson rage. I had Glen Robinson is my, you know, if you're if you do that, it's kind of what you wanna look above and below that. Right. Like, if you go let's go with Glen Robinson. Yeah. I Glenn Robbins when it called Vogler value above vaguer value over. Yeah. Yeah. Over Vogler Vogler value over Glen Robinson. So so they had Vogler right in Anthony, Ben it would be like minus five point zero voters. Oh, he'd be like minus seven point Vogler. But the Andrea eight right now is like minus one point two Vogler bumping up. It's early. It's I n c on that one. How much money? Do you think? Barn Yanni made in his career because I was looking at barn. Yati stats today. Oh, it was like forty million right? Double it. Eighty seventy five. He had a couple of twenty points season. So I know I liked barg Batty. I think I remember talking to from Oliver like a my nuts to think in the right situation. Got that sounds like that NBA support group now, but I maybe he should be the next guy for MBA worker Wiggins, I was the language barrier. I mean, Jesus is not easy for these guys. Have you know, they're making fun of them. Yeah. You're over here smoking darts on a moped whistling at all these traffic ops. I was surprised Wiggins was my seventh least favourite number one overall pick of the last thirty does. He goes Kyle quarter. You got Bennett you got Odin. You got barn. Yanni? No. I hadn't had Baghdad ahead of Wiggins. No. But I'm just I have Ellison crime all of Akande head of Wiggins. I'm not saying you're wrong. But like think about that sentence by Donnie had a couple of twenty point. Yeah. But he also kind of us to who. Would you rather have? With you. I'd still hold out hope for Wiggins a little bit more than just saying Wiggins would hurt my feelings more at least with Bard ninety. I'd had low weakens would have been really good for that support group. Like, hey, we know Canadians are polite Jesus. So I go Vogler, I think science can have a very high Vogler. Pens on the squad avid gym corner. Question for you. Okay. This is great Kyle is gonna be giggling the whole time. Question for Ryan for Jim corner from Jordan. Male or female. I know I was doing box jumps besides the squat rack the other day. Another guy was doing squats beside with two and a half points on each side two and a half plates between my sets this guy. Proceeds the unranked one side of the bar. I o leaving. The other side the bar comes crashing down along with the weights onto the box. I was about to jump onto the guy shrugged it off like it was nothing. I was stunned in severely. No it Ryan have you ever endured a near death experience at the gym like that. I've had some very happen. Yeah. All right. So two and a half plates. He must mean to forty fives and the twenty five in each side. And basically if you're gonna take off the most you can really leave is to forty fives on one side. And even then I I'm almost neurotic about it. Anyway, because I've just envisioned a bar coming swinging across and taking me out. So what happened here is the guy knows he fucked up, and yeah, it looks like an idiot. And maybe you know, he was posts squat and he's gone to seventy five. So he may have had little weird head hangover thing where you're dizzy after the fact because maybe it's heavy for him. And he just started unloading because he wasn't thinking maybe he was pumped. He gets seven reps. So he sort of in this euphoric posts squat deal. And because he did all those things, and he totally fucked it up he's not going to own it. He can't he's I mean, I would hope you'd go. Hey, man. I'm really sorry. I just lost. But it dude in the gym with another stranger. He's not going to own it. He's going to do a peewee. Herman. I meant to do that type thing to you. And that's just that's just what goes on. I've had a couple scenarios where not with me. Like, I'll ask somebody to spot me. I'm try try not to be a hero. Even though if you don't ask for a spot, you probably better off for the gains because you kinda know you're screwed. If you don't get off your chest. But you don't really want to start doing that kids if you're listening, but I had a guy have. What would we at three fifteen so three sixty five and I was spotting them in his peck, tore off, and it what happens. When a pet store is terriers away from the the either the guys screaming now, he was like up dorm, APAC term pack. He didn't like fully blown rip it to shreds. But he tore it. And then I had a like sorta dead lifted off of his chest. And then I was like I felt badger. He's a really nice guy. And I was like oh, man. He's like something's wrong something's wrong. So that sucks that sucks. He's like, oh my God. And I was like man, I didn't know if I was going to be able to help pull that off you 'cause he was also pushing still, and he was just like ask you what we would have just flipped it on one side or the other and figured it out. I was like that would have been fun. So I see kids every now and then maye load up too much, and then I've I've gone by. And and pulled something off a kid every now, and then but economics is not a lot of kids to hair, so I'll run into anymore. She is it. Okay. If I tell people to stop sending their stories about nude guys at the gym were maxed out on it. People people actually like this segment better than anything else. We do so sorry for better worse. The reread Ables really quickly. I won't even tell you. What year I wrote this? You just have to guess. Okay. Think of all the twenty five guys we watched over the past two decades, get thrust into a your little too young for this. But your franchise prayer. So how 'bout you be our leader? And then flounder MS miserably, we're talking about dozens of guys a few whom had more talent than blank, but only five rose to the challenge of the veteran. Hope G Chris Paul LeBron Wade and blank, that's the complete list unless ever got some own absurd that to blanks credit some believe blank is the playoffs sleeper this year. And it's mainly because he's turned into such a killer, closer, stay tuned. I'll I'll give you one question. If you need more information. You want me to guess what year you wrote that I can give you the year if you need help. No, you want me to guess the player. So I'll give you the year to help you two thousand ten two thousand nine two thousand nine st- white note. Hey, Turkoglu, Brandon, ROY. Oh, yeah. The reread Ables thousand nine when you were really good. I listed five guys who I was really good. As one of my career years at three thousand nine Simmons. It's like tiger tiger two thousand four the how about I just listed five playoff closers. What of which was branded ROY ROY had a stretch there where it was unbelievable, man. I mean, look that's not that's not on him. And thank God. He got his money. But. John ram saying, I love rain, or you know, what's funny is that Celtics trade that led to that whole thing. I hated that trade because I like Brandon ROY so much I did too. And then you talk to people, I think you, and I both probably did have a couple of sources that point. And everybody's like, yeah. He's going to be out of the league in six years. Yeah. Guy ligaments in his name is like, yeah. But maybe he's still worryingly. Yes. Wasn't a short term. But wasn't it still worth having that Brandon ROY for five years? Okay. So the same thing with John Blair remember that? Yeah. No. SEO's? It's like all right. But this is the fortieth pack just played five years of Gabes. We'll just take him. Game of thrones really quickly. Yeah. Definitely you were at you were down on this season. Well, wait a minute. Now, the whole season diving I episode try your data season seven over a look. As a writer. I get it. The guys who just shared Abobo bets. Yeah. Right. Like what you normally have to do Bill in this spot. Yeah. You know? I know everybody wants all the bells and whistles and all the confetti, but is a writer you get a set the tone. You can you get choices? You're right years old and A west bit, right? But I think they kind of went dragon porn on you there lend it we know this is going to be a little boring, and then you, and I are sitting there and you completely unprompted on the couch. Just say to Kyle you go, you know, I can't get enough of these dragons. Drag. It's. The dragon was such a great line because everybody's been quiet for like five minutes. The other thing is it's just the three of us were waiting for food. Thrones is on and all of a sudden that dudes in the brothel just getting annihilated by three women. Right. And it's like, hey, so has work. It's like one of those. I I don't know. I don't know what the response was. But then I was we were trying to dare each other. And in clearly it's one of those things where I was like I want to sit in the tweet, it's the anti everything, but it's not anti throwing. So I love the show and the whole deal, but it was zinc sick. Yeah. I wanted. This is not the premier was not unsinkable. And that's how I was like, what would be the funniest thing. We could come up with. And we came up some really funny stuff that we wouldn't tweet. And then I just said, hey, when's veep on? Which we that was funny. And then nobody got no one got it because they thought I was doing the, you know, hockey finals, and then I give you a may baseball final highlight. And they thought it was just me goofing on everybody being in the game of thrones. But where I was really doing this because we were like forty five minutes in and you're like this is slow slow. But I look I get what they were doing. I don't know if it reveals and now you're looking at the structured and how they're setting up the next four. I don't want non linear storylines with be story. A tell you what I love dragons. I mean, those things watching those babies fly, and it was like a date. You don't see a lot of that. Where you're like, wait. You guys are on a dragon flying day. It seems way more dangerous. If you just how does the dragon know that you're on there? It's a fucking dragon. Well, that's what he asked her Johnston who asked her what are you? Hold onto. And she's like just figured out. And it's like can I have a little more info, we're going to be flying really high in these dragons like any tricks, and you think you're the Queen of the seven kingdoms we can't get fucking saddle for one of these things. And then we try to ruin it for your wife a little bit. Yeah. We didn't really try to tell her one of the dragons died. She did sit. I thought it'd be funny for us to recap game since we have binge abode, which is the best recap podcast than the internet. I thought it'd be funny. If we ended each podcast recapping that night's game of thrones from the eyes of two guys who barely know all the characters names, but have seen every episode seen every episode. Yeah. But we need Kyle. He was a life raft. So here's what I thought happened today. Jon snow found out that he's actually half target Aaron. And that his that Kalisa is on I guess, although he didn't know that part at some point. We thought it was sister. But that's not true. I think it's on felt a little Princess Leia. Luke Skywalker, which means he's actually the real iron throne guy. Yeah. Heir to the throne. He's the rightful. He's ready for air. But now Iran side, whether he got him he has to decide whether he wants to take the thrown away from his girlfriend, right? Who's is on? Yeah. And by the way, this is his aunt. He's been sleeping with this isn't one of the top for incest atrocities on game of thrones. This this whole aunt nephew thing. Yup. And as Kyle pointed out like my wife is Khazanah. So this is gross. This is grocer than we're giving a credit for. So that happened the I don't see Kyle being a king the way walkers knocked down that giant wall. And then they went to go check out what happened. And there was a little boy that was attached to the wall around all these limbs. And then it turned out. I think he was a white Walker in a set him on fire. Yeah. He hasn't been possessed. Was they didn't know that was the real scare you. Hey, we gotta give these guys something. Yeah. Because we're just we're bringing everybody back. It's almost like a big family reunion. We get a set the template has been set here. Right. But we gotta give you a little spice to it's what they were doing. There was a little Sansa not trusting dean heiress little little side side. I action that Jon snow sensed and then called her on it. And then it just seems like they're setting up some sort attention. You don't have felt like to me protective sister, the college football playoff committee, the sitting there, and they're going, you know, the unsullied like come on. And then they're like the death Raqi like they're not very good at home. They're going on the road. And then you're sitting around and be like, hey, you know, these fucking zombies are like right around the corner. Yeah. And you want to bitch about clans and whatnot random whatnot like come on. And that's what Johnstone so made the case. And that's when I compared to the bell check for one of the three times during the episode bell. Check three. Yes. Easily three bell gives up the crown he immediately trades whatever he needs to trade to get just more draft picks, basically to fight the white walkers. That's how he's thinking. He's not worried about crowns. What is now? All he's thinking about is the big game way down the road the way walkers. That's it. Rhonda white walkers. Another thing that happened. See, by the way, for the people who think bill's kidding right now, he's not unprompted once again, he would just go Bella check. When do that? I really did. I think don't check would win the win the iron throne breads people that think it's an actor. It's kind of his Twitter thing. He just sits around at home eating goes up to his kid. His son was like going at the mozzarella sticks. He's like Bill wouldn't do that way out ballot? Check would not have mitral stick right now. No longer has who has been missing his generals for while. A lot of guys on the show. He yeah, he's a top G your favorite unit. Kurdia you like the bald guy. I like the ball guy because I think he's a real nice. I feel like he's despite it always a real operator. And he's you know, start at the bottom. Now, we here can take a joke. So theon freed his sister Yara good job right now. And she headbutted onto thank him that cool, and then they made up and then she kinda let him go. And I don't know if we see her again, you know, what blew my mind was the Viking robots. I was like are you guys fucking? So like right at the end. Yeah. When the Viking robot clan showed up I'm like, okay? These guys stepped it up. And I think the robots are going to be the key to defeating the white walkers. The Viking robots. Yeah. I didn't see that coming. And then and then the stars people are going to start drug testing this podcast the ringer Vicks. It'd be like can you can you come down. I tried to quiet sell it. And then the Starks kinda reunited is the first time we saw them together, we left that, sir. C. She gave it up to. What was that guy's name? Kyle. You're on your on your on who I liked. He's kind of a rational confident, you might be the only guy that likes him. No. I liked his strategy was thirsty. We went a rational confidence I wanna boat one day. So I'm threes out. I like that part of it. But. Because he's always got boats. Right. But I I think actually the biggest thing the biggest thing I'm glad you went there. Because of all the stuff that's happened. Because she said you wanna whore by one you wanna Queen earn her in every single woman that I follow on social media posted that like now the rule the game just changed like, hey, no offense. You know, she's still slept with the grimy pirate guy. Right. You know? She's still have with them. So she pregnant. Yeah. Like, it's a real good line. But but he didn't he didn't turn around and leave with his boats. Now did he and he was like the cat eat and the canary afterwards to. Yeah, he was a real. That guy's not a Cutler. I could privacy this that guy's dying dying for who's the big one of the first one. I don't think he's tier one enough. So then creepy post breasts and brand. No one likes that guy his approval rating, so low right now Simmons a game of thrones. I like that. He took his shot, though is, sir. See it just easily could have been murdered by the any of the people in suit of armor at any time. And then brand. Yeah. Brands united. Typically, weird performance from brand. Like, it's never traded. I have one person I know one person who's like I like the raven story line. There. No dragons. The guy who said this people have an mail them in like a year, by the way brand has been but walk at six years the kit throw them out of dragon, let them fly around low bit Gilo feel for them being in the air with drogue on one of those guys though stroke on the dead dragon. Who's he her the living drag cow man come on dog? Still Doug the other two. Steve dragon. Come here. Doug. So then you don't Doug, John. I'll last one at the end was brand seeing Jamie, Lancaster. Yeah. There you go. That was good last time they'd really locked eyes. He was seeing Jamie having sex with the sister. And then he got pushed off a high tower. So there's some mending fences that needs to happen. That's talk that went out. Maybe maybe at MBA TV, but are the all star break up. So, you know, they get shack Gopi. Gets Lancaster Brad are gonna talk. He's like, I don't really know. You actually don't know. Why you did it? I thought you peeping Thome. I just I I was fine with you. And your sister just don't push me off the tower next time. So what you can see shit. How's this work? So and then the the coming attractions, which they don't give away anything anymore because they know people like Mauer Jason are just going to pick the freeze frames and figure out what the show's going. So now, it's just like a whole lot of. It's like mad Ben us through this Stu coming up on madman OB like Don Draper, having a coke somebody in a car. And then like like Peggy saying something, and then it was like what was that? Is that? So anyway, they don't give it anyway. So that was our game of thrones recap, which think Kyle their segment or should through the only time. We did. It was your first dead guy. Oh, I think, sir. Sees lovers dead within. Yeah. I would say two thirds of an episode of over a hundred firm is forty minutes. Gap, so too. Yeah. They gotta they gotta take out somebody big in in the second ups. I also think the bearded guy is going to have a really really great death. The guy the bug is. That guy I'm talking about the the torment. Yeah. Yeah. Fire sword. Yeah. He's going to have a death. But it'd be a cool death, and he'll he'll have a couple of sentences before soldiers death the other thing. I really they haven't had a lot of scenes besides Cy and John snow and how they disguise the height difference is phenomenal because kid Harrington's like five six five seven in real life. You're pretty good friends with him right now. Stood next to over the party woods. But how I don't know. That's what he said. He thinks you're closer assess. That's is like five foot eleven so they have to use these weird height things where you never actually see the wide shot. Yeah. Yeah. And they're still she's still towers. She's still Tara. It's like VIN diesel in the rack in any fast fierce. All right. We're still low dual threat this week dual threat. Josh mccown part four of the backup qb stories. Think about this quarterback room his two thousand seven raiders team lane. Kiffin was thirty three the head coach. Al Davis was telling him to bench all the quarterbacks. Every week. Dante Culpepper was thirty still thought he was awesome. The adjust sign hold out jamarcus Russell whose idol was Dante Culpepper mccown, and then Andrew Walter who had already asked for trade that was the QB room. And he tells me stories for about fifteen minutes about that. And the rest of his journey in the way, it's ended in it's it's it's a fun star. There's a lot of ups and downs throws careers and distribute. But the raiders stuff alone is worth listening to can't wait. All right. Ron we'll type the next thing say. All right. Thanks to the zone. Remember setting up is easy downloaded his own app on the apple or Android app. Store. Senate by creating account start watching across nearly any of your devices, and you can get a whole bunch of awesome fights baseball. You name it. It's all on their check that out. Don't forget about talk. The thrones our Twitter show, you should be watching it every week right after game of thrones ends. But if you miss this week, you can go right on there and watched the episode on the Twitter account that we have which is at ringer or you can do hashtag talk the thrones. Or check out our YouTube channel where we have allowed of this stuff, including all the game of thrones content that we did over the course of the last five weeks that is YouTube dot com slash ringer for all that stuff as well. 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"Yeah play was like you know. It's funny. Thing about players that he's actually like He's a funny guy. Kind of has this. Dry Witty humor and he's doesn't doesn't. He's not like overly social person, so he's not going on his way to speak so when you bet they some people tend to listen to which makes it funnier when he says on twenty, and we were growing up and his team activity in he's. He's my favorite moment you know. Catch the ball I'm like forty feet out and. I might shoot and others. Like what are you doing like? Oh run the play or whatever and use like all I. Hear what the fuck go up. Shoot it and go in, and I'm like yeah, fuck you Andrea and has made it. And I'm like. Like that was like your favorite moment like. What. Doesn't mean it was a good shot. That was what I was thinking like. I don't know how to let students I mean it. It was a good shot, but that place in a nutshell and Stephen. I conversation about about guys like that all the time like. You know that's why they are what they are like. I like Stephen I was joking like we actually wish we had their competence. We wish we had. You know that thing in our brain this is. I didn't have missed today. Like Klay commits ten shots in a row when he won't remember Mr Ten shots so as He knows score back is going in, and it's just like having that mindset. Is, part, of the reason why he's one of the greatest shooters of all time I think that's something that people don't. Account, Stories amazing like he's. He's like what like what would fuck you. What your? Yeah I honestly didn't. He have thirty seven in a quarter in a playoff game once. YEA thirty seven and a quarter I. think was the playoffs so. But then he asked sixty against Indiana, and that was the thing. No thirty seven and a quarter was against fact. Sixty was against Indiana and then he broke three point record last year in Chicago, which was a lot of fun. All great stories, but none of that was his. Favorite moment was knocking right a forty foot, or a few called them out, and then saying fuck you Andre Amazing and he's known it known as a big game quake game six million. We're down and we need to win a game. Sixty go crazy. You've got multiple games like that. Which is rare for any adverse to have like? That type of you know that that's his thing people about him. I gained six. We know he's get forty tonight and he had a bunch of my. Athletes don't get that opportunity is only the great ones doing. He's only remember a forty foot, Saudi shot. That was the best shot that just happened to going. That's why he's the funniest guy ever. I bet. He delivered down perfectly man, he probably deadpan to like Oh. Yeah, yeah, my favorite moment that one time I knocked in that forty footer when Andre calling me out. Listen before you go you because you were talking stocks. That's not just like some. I mean. That's deal. You know what you're talking about. Obviously, you're well invested in your big player in the tech community. You joined comcast ventures catalyst fund. What exactly is that? Sort of. Comcast ventures is senior L. P. obviously comcast environment owns NBC. Universal sky. Sky Network which is internationally at work in as a five hundred million dollar fun. We invest in a Lotta early stage companies. See Series as series. Be As a little bit as well. We you know the. Reasons, which means you you maintain your ownership stake within those companies but the caliban specifically myself in Hussein I gotta bigger up genius, and she brought me along. And helped me tremendously But it's a fun for under funded communities and you know we're talking to pour the space right now. California has been around for the last ten eleven years as well so this isn't something new a lot of companies for branding purposes, or they're trying to check the box for corporate. You know right corporate reasons to say we're supporting. You know you know back to make community where California's been doing. It already so we invest in African. African American, Lad, next and female entrepreneurs specifically, and we tried to tap into these founders in help him build their companies healthy responsibly and We use our network You know things that can help them. Get growth on the four cath labs with basically is marking advertising costs through comcast vehicle that we have in our network and ups mail order What's as time at cost as well so? We give a lot of value. Add to our portfolio companies and helping them scale To higher levels responsibly in the right way, so there's been A. Joining. Gangway. Worry It's been agree right. common to a lot of companies. I'm actually on a call in five minutes whereas Pushing, another initiative as well in terms of helping our portfolio company, so it's A. It's a real job and. It's It's probably one of the few things that is Taking a that I enjoy that takes away from my golf game, but I wouldn't have it in the way. Things been good. I should really quickly before. Let's go quick followed that so when you talk with these companies when you're looking to make an investment, are you? Are you investing in the product? I or maybe the entrepreneur I? It's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both I think more than anything. You want to make sure that the entrepreneur can execute. And operate a company in You know you gotTA understand their vision. You know but at the same time you gotTa Bunch of serial entrepreneurs who? They just have a knack for rolling out companies just rolling out products and You would rather take your bed on those types. The ones that you know have a detract track record or have been in great companies and. you know you see a lot of you're not gonNA on where they come from. You know you got a lot of Google your facebook AIRBNB. These entrepreneurs I've seen it done at a high level, and then they go out and and. That that they can scale and you, WanNa back that but at the same time you WanNa, make sure that the market that they're getting into a big enough market, and worth the investment and a lot of athletes you invest. You're saying you're taking a risk. You know chain invest for take a risk and that changes your mindset in terms of how much to put into it or how much how involved you WanNa be, keep a close eye on it. Because in today it's just risk calculations and you know batting three hundred is amazing. Hall of fame just like Baseball's hall of fame in in. Finally we talked about that and horse racing that it's it's a numbers game like you pick one it can pay. All of them began to find that one or the last forty. Jump on that call. You mentioned golf. You're an Avid Golfer your damn, good stick and we talked about Jordan I gotta ask you like. What do you make of Mike's golf habits like he's doing playing thirty six a day if he can smoke in a box, the stogies and gambling with whatever makes the opposition uncomfortable. What do you make a Mike's golf life and if you played with him? I. Haven't I'm trying to get to Alabama? I'm a little bit closer to his new course. things call the grow twenty three. Yeah, and now that I'm closer I'm trying to get their They only have a few They only have a few member so far a bunch of guys I think feel Nicholson and he's in publicly so I can say that if you other professional guys on down there I'm good friends with Justin Thomas in Kepco, android, and just did his podcast. Roy's favorite so I'm trying to get a pretty good before some M. J I hardy, he plays with. With like seven eight people seven eight cards, so I can get around a good group of guys and hopefully play. I haven't played with Mike it but I play with Steph and happy played with Steph as someone who's not a professional golfer. easy to play with anybody else because you get pretty frustrated. Playing with stepping. You know shooting sixty six's each. Couple of weeks ago so I'm betting I'm guess I'm giving a insider trading tip on. The the the top this weekend. You probably going to win or Romo Romo can plan professionals so humor almost only need. One of those guys are joke. Quick quick following jump. You mentioned Roy your garlic. I'm a huge Kapka. Guy Why royer guy. he's got the. Got The most natural. Swing. In terms of if he's playing his best, even when he's not playing his best. You know he could still win. And when each plans best everyone else knows, they don't stand a chance. I think that's the best part of the, and then I've watched him place. up close and personal. And he just had a different walk. Have a different gates on like he kinda wanted on. He's like floating above the ground. He has that or about him and when he has, he's playing best, so you know I try not to bother too much, but you know I mentioned to him. It's like Yo. You have that walk like you know. Nobody can fetch. When he had that walk, he's he's usually you know. Taking care of business and be nearby. We saw him as the player. He came back and won the The tour championship last year like he's not a few times multiple times winter that and I think tires only other one so. He's I mean the way he drives the ball at five eight is. Unreal. Like people don't understand like what he's doing his body to get the ball that far, and then Dj six four, and you hit me just right next DJ, and and and and Tony Feet now. Six, four, six five, and he's hitting tenure right there within Britain de Shambles to fifty to sixty, six, two, six three in Roy's right next to those guys. You know in a smaller frame but you know you talking about the mind that can hit the ball at the pin from any distance. He talked to fifty. To thirty begin landed. Right at the Pan. Is just you know it's amazing? Compact man, but the Torque is there. Call it's so good to get caught up with. You covered a lot of ground I. really appreciate coming on the PODCAST. Thank you very much. That was a great conversation. Thank you very much. I mean the compensation. By thanks to Andrei for carving out some quality minutes in his extremely busy schedule. Good caught up with the do that. I've not spoken to in a minute or so. That was great I mentioned off the top. This is episode one thirty six. So if you new around here, there're plenty for you to get caught up on. Make sure you check out my previous conversations with Aaron. Rodgers Bob Costas Brian Boyd Tony Hawk Danny devito Kevin. And Bean David Gugans Rex Chapman mark. Cuban Maury Povich Stephen A. 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Because when you talk to like, my parents are going to tell you. Oh, you know. I grew up with Tina Turner in the Eisley brothers, but I realized for the new generation. Your music is the music of this generation. I'm thirty five years old. I remember right when I graduated college at twenty two. Your track applies was the hottest thing out, and now my five year old daughter is watching Meghan these stallion Tiktok and now she's hearing that song for the first time Yup. Yup is crazy man, favorite sauce, and just to see how things progress the with the music. Music Industry is many people sampling my music in just a fan of my music, even seeing no hands go go again in the year of two thousand and nineteen alone. It was just like damn like that's what happens when you make in timeless music. I'm thirty six. So I was in a game as a baby like I'm eighteen years in the game. Really was doing this to eighteen off. You know what I'm saying. Shot up to my brother. Insane, Wayne. R.I.P you know what I'm saying is is is is just crazy to progress that I've made from dance to now and I feel like I'm just now. Getting started who? Gets even crazier because last week. You and DJ tune for Chilin you. Both had a track album, so a decade, and a half later y'all can still get in the same room and create hits for a whole other generation absolutely, and this is the first time we actually collaborated together man. It's a lot of people you might be in the business if they say it takes ten years to really establish US though in his crazy people, you know you meet and you start joking around with him after fifteen years of knowing him like man way never worked together. I mean we work together between we're? Just having jokes told me manage goose some stuff. Even say told me man the burn track. We put passage Troy David Banner. Side had a prints of Toray US a NUCCI. Am Rask has one song called. Burn edges drop today, too. So is just amazing of at the Detrick told into, and this is just crazy. What we love the outcome and the feedback get on Rick Yeah. It's like you just mentioned like I just I feel like I'm just getting started again and I want to ask. Ask You something. This is producing music like being an athlete like maybe when you're forty years old like you're in the NBA, you won't be in your prime, but you're still able to craft up some heat. It just may take you longer to get off the line for instance making the put on beat for Yeezy and thirty minutes, and then it goes on the two time multi platinum, you achieve the level of success that most people strive for their entire lives in the span of one. Seinfeld, episode. Appreciate. A man is is is definitely been a blessing. I've had great management of had great contractual lawyers, and you know that that has really helped me to solidify myself. Be Consistent. And still have some money saved up man to to to to to whiff last. Keep doing things that you want to do to stay. Resume out of good advice. And when you played basketball in high school, you made the music that the team came out, too, so I imagine put on was like an NBA version of the. She used to make for your high school team. Exactly pull it on. It was inspired by the Chicago Bulls. Theme Song. And then, and then you produce the grizzlies halftime show, we'll talk about manifest destiny. Right there. Yes, crazy like you know just just a Memphis Grizzlies remember when they came to Memphis I mentally get the opportunity to have a basketball team when I was like man like always look despite Lee. Despite Leo City Bill We. Wanted youngest first black African American ticket holders season ticket holder on the floor. You know what I'm saying and I was down like five years. Crazy, I can't be like spite now. No I can't. I will not spend to know. How does it? He spent forty million and tickets. G.! Rating. Movie Spike Coulda done with it. May Be Smart about this in a year that I let my tickets go. They paid me to perform the halftime show, so I was like okay. See now the walls changing now I'm getting check from Fedex ex form. You know what I mean they're paying you. Maybe you can score one of Spike Lee's next films, and you'll be sitting right next to him courtside. That'd be class. So you grew up with music. Do you know the story behind why your father gravitated towards the clarinet out of all the instruments? I do not know that store. That's crazy, really Disney well. How about this? How does this Suave Debonair clarinet playing pimp catch the eyes of an opera singer it out? That story came from my brother, so my older brother, we got different forms. So my older brother. was taking saxophone lessons and the saxophone teachers right next door to the clarinet. He's with my dad, so then the teachers myth in one day, so my dad is their mom introduces herself to him. It was like hey will. Maybe you can give him clarinet lessons into the saxophone teacher comes back, and they ended up meeting each other by a Blah and then there can meet. But he was, he was a maniac, right? His clarinet was an extension of himself. sunup to sundown. He would be practicing performing. Was He good a work? Life balance or was music I above God about family like music was his mistress music was his mistress for sure I mean no question and you know my mom and dad divorced when a heavy so you know it was a, it was a tricky situation, you know. I GREW UP IN SOUTH MEMPHIS. Lack haven as well as orange now and then in thirteen I got a little trouble almost killed somebody with clarinet. Case you know what I mean and. McConnell so it like fresh prince of bel-air in a sense of gun neutrally Mangas guests. About. Cordova with like the suburbs at this time, this is before Wolf Chase Mall Germantown Parkway was a two lane street like. It was nothing in Germantown in Cordova Germantown. Really like I mean now it's just pop. I was thinking like I think a grandfather was a principal. Maybe he had like all of his peers as his principal buddies. Keeping tabs on your no matter where you went. Is Possible. My grandfather was a principal in DC so you know to. DC and now he has middle school named after him General James Goes Middle. School right next to the Fedex stadium in in DC. And is crazy DC and memphis both have a fedex arena. That's crazy, and and you know what you mentioned Orange Mound. That's a city that was the first African American neighborhood in the history of America to be built by and for African Americans. That's where eight ball MJ G met. This crazy, so we're talking about a city that had black entrepreneurs building black businesses being supported by their own black community. That's the same shit that nipsy hustle same shit. The killer Mike's doing the same thing that you're doing what house afresh and now you get the key to the city man. It's just it's full circle. Show may house a phrase. Definitely follow the Instagram at House of his eighty two year Otto is is definitely dope man. You know what I'm saying to be able to have the store and to turn it around the way we have with the fashion into deliver the fashion that we have to all of these different celebrities in the community of. And what's even crazier is? Your father is the first ever African American man. The whole the first position in the Memphis. Symphony Orchestra, so there is a lot of history there and I'm not ancestry, dot, com, or anything, but I was curious. If I type in your last name and I type in Orange Mound on the first page of Google. There's a report almost ninety years old the states. States that a homicide report for June porter that he was killed by Jab People's on May, thirty, first, nineteen, thirty one, and he accidentally shot people's when he tried to shoot so in name Wade Golsen over money during a craps game, so I'm not sure if Wade is related to you, but it seems her family was into some gangster stuff even ninety years ago. Hey we definitely been into some shit. As. Anybody Man I. think that goes back in the history of every family, every human every individual I mean you know. Goes well I mean so still in high school you met you met Yo Gotti right so you're familiar with Garland. Street in North Malthus absolutely gone street rich Chris is where he came up. You know saying. That's more like the bolts in highway sixty four area, so you gotTa Riley. You know what I'm saying. You Got Millington and then rally. Millington is more like like. North. Of the south of Tennessee, you know what I mean so it's like north. Your was your your guidelines. UPPER MEMPHIS, noam from the no of no saying everything. Millington Riley Bolts, and all of that is like north of of UH myths. I appreciate that 'cause I didn't know much about Memphis at the time when the tape came out the reason why it reached the ears of me and my Texas high. School was because flint was on that tape. And at the time little foot was like the hottest thing, but he was, he was hopping on Yoga, he was he was hopping on riding spinners with a three six and he. He was collaborating more with these Memphis. People than Texas so it kind of created this rift, but that's that was my introduction to you and I watched that life DVD that he out with, and it's funny because he's wearing like. If you go back and watch a, he's wearing like a size xl jacket talking next to watch ends about this house, right? Her is where we made them bricks. We make them hundreds and we in the streets is how we live in. And then they interview his mom and his mom was like man, I went from boost and selling drugs, and then if you watch the complex magazine video a few years ago, he's talking all proper. He's got chains. His clothes fit them if circles only three guys instead of seventeen. He's driving around Port Phantom. And it's this May this magnificent. Magnificent transformation from this young kid, trying to sell CDs at his trunk, the getting two hundred million youtube hits with little baby, and you had you had a pivotal part, and not only become successful yourself, but think of all the people that you helped like it wouldn't be a complete reached. A say that you helped got his mom stop selling drugs so now. Her boy can take care of her and his. Whole family based on take that you help them I got pitches with his mom I just posted on his his mom. That's long ago. Where in that sparkly dress and her hair's all done I mean that's a come up. With Miss, mims, man at that event and it's just like. Yeah man is crazy. He? Just looking at how and got came up together man like inevitable entertainment days. You know what I'm saying. The four tracks on life, my brother Insane Wayne. Why keep talking about our? He for tracks on Life Album Ama- on producers swizzle. He'd be for tracing out so we. Did the whole project slice team in the rest of. Walk. Into the game. Do? You know what I mean just coming from net even on the next album back to the basics I do. Ask So when you see me Charlotte copy collar, olive deaths were so. Wanted to do. A. Gold. Don't. He's like anthems. This like everything. No! To to really put me on the streets. You know what I'm saying this when I met Jisi destined. First thing Jesus brought up was like A. And guidance that's shit talk initiate. God was hers mobile who really top did like that from the south from it from our generation? You know what I mean so to me. That was the the I trap rapper hour period before I even got to him. Before ti before Gucci. Fola Geez Yoga was the I trap rapper period and I don't need to tell you about little Kiki in slim thug. Before he signed with Star tracking signs with Jay Z I mean these are like south legends. You know the boss. Hogg outlaws so you had a hand in that with Bun. B Yuji cakes, Cetera so a lot of people they might focus on your mainstream hits, but they don't realize like this. The legends that you work with underground or not absolutely scoff as Never Paul Wall. Slim thug that can pay featuring jolting breeze. You know I. It's so many records that never, if a as like New, York that's when your life like took me like O'Hagan. He can make oheka sample. All is all nominee, so it was something. Get Out of the trap world to show. My versatility light our our range compose in right by I can play Orchestra Jazz. Orchestral. We do trout like I. Just go emotion if I see it in our are created. So when I'm in the trap every day with my bro- over here in Sao members behind the dice chicken stowaway of omit. This was the trap Trat was location and it was what I saw that helped me paint that picture and create a sound. We didn't even have a name for. We just had a location, so it Kinda just became trapped because it was we. That's where we was making she in the track. I mean that's what people when you when you see something you seeing what's going on in You paint that picture musically, and then that music emotionally talks today had rapper entails him what to say because you have producers like Mad Lib and ninth wonder that still use the old beat machines, but you embrace the technology like why would I spend twenty hours doing something when I can use new technology to do it in ten seconds, but at the same time like you said you're not a one dimensional trapped producer. You create dig, so you're like a like a sixty five cadillac with modern interior. The Best of both worlds absolutely man. You know what I mean is like the old school classic with with with the new engine, a new exhaust pipes. I mean the leather interior whatnot Nami so this is custom. You can customize to whatever you like. If you want the Ferrari with the old school inside unanimity, we can do. Some shit rose no limit. If you want to build a whole new vehicle, we call it. Should the test low? We call it this. New. Vehicles are coming into the game. You know what I mean so is no limit. Don't just settle for forward Honda. Mazda create my own she in band. It can pick on track now. Twenty years later we own a virgin creates new sheet states them. We'll have that come about. The sample for scarface was never was Ronnie dyson Sarah Smile attract from nineteen seventy seven. In the sample within the first ten seconds, so are you just digging and there was something about that record the grab you yeah a lot of times the best. The best part of the sample usually comes from the insurer altro because all of the drums percussion all of the big bands she had come in. So is enough rooms and kind of take that in can put my own drums on. It sometimes might come in the middle of the song of the bridge of the song of the end. Zone, but you know. I'm just a crate I take note you know what I'm saying. It don't matter if he's on snatch I was going through my mom's records and found that look. Is the Bedroom Beethoven? This, episode is brought to you by Getty's, which is an apparel line of men's and women's clothes bathe in their own factory in Metro Detroit. That's important to highlight, because not only are the tees, hoodies and sweatshirts top quality, but they're able to create jobs and lead the charge for ethical clothing manufacturing, sourcing only American made materials made by a one hundred percent American workforce. This means that they can invest in the same premier. 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Should they have done the same thing, so they could have let their talent to a bigger crowd, or that's would just worked for you, so many people get caught up in what people think. And I never been eligible foot. Would you think I know I'm born on no on bread? I know raised not open 'em on every fucking pitcher every place I go so I read Memphis till I'm gone. And the and the city noted, and as far as giving back community, efforts, and just so many educational events that we've done for the city to enlighten enhancing upgrading. I exhausted. All of my energy into my city, Memphis all the time and I it that will never stop I mean regardless of where I'm at if I see a CD, and I can play majorly base basketball here and if I feel like I'm playing underground basketball at Memphis. I'M GONNA go play with the major leagues Monday as soon as I got down Dan. deasy Gucci Past Detroit. Re Rose Byrd Man Boys in who? Drake to change like Komo. How is like okay? It was a good hundred people to work with a message. Guess what is about ten thousand a month for the work winning allow someone made more money and you know businessman. You gotta go with a major. She going on it, and then we still pipeline she. That's the difference between me because I'm getting money in it love pipeline issue backed myths. You know saying so. A lot of went went off needed me. Careful those? And that's the first full. Who told me about cafo. The amount may dominate as Sheila Giddy. We give them the blueprint. Telling what do what will is live makes possible where we come a welcome to Dr. Street means via one two three four Meka gelato bugging bosses shooters did. Every rapper I represented time. Drop thirty motherfucking takes and see where you at after thirty tapes. Muslims be happy about one tape to tape three. That's arm, be she? You won't be these wraps. You want to do some man. You'RE GONNA. Have to be about thirty two hundred tapes deep. Period! I was go from forty grand a fucking almost forty meet. So you know what I'm saying? The same thing money Baggio same thing with God. Knows and blackboard youngster. Black Of Young Black Youngster. Nelson just watching it scene even with two chains. Watch me seen even with Jesus even with two. I've seen it from the bottom go to the top time time time time again. Okay? We got new artist drink from no bomb. Seen. His first music ever we deal was was money to blow up. Like I say even to change like switch amen. Td Bullet Day man. We'll just be like man. NEEDS EPA. Knows nothing the frustration vibe located name change on list which. I, do walk in turn. A- random getting the AMBU. Boo around again. Both hinton top one hundred. I think a lot of people they get into their feelings about it, but look here juicy J on a Katy Perry record if he would've stayed where he was. Facts being fan, I'm going to ask a question. That I know that has been asked before, but I'm GONNA. Put a little twist on it, so you don't get too tired of it. I know there's a situation where you're contributing to someone like Gucci Cheesy, but they don't necessarily get along now. Gucci Szeto Tobin were creating music every day Jesus was the new guy told him where home and made a beat for so icy. Artists get jealous and try to pull you in the drama. Like Hey, man. Don't do a beat for that guy. You're making hits for me. Like. How do you deal with that? Like? What do you do when it takes a beat that was made for twister at Ti goes double platinum offbeat you made for twister. Can fast friends turn in the sore feelings when money's involved for the most part man, these guys in Atlanta be happy to see other guys win and I. think that's one of the key ingredients to Atlanta success as opposed to north members don't. Don't like South Memphis and ease marano likewise west Memphis this artist beefing with artists I think you're seeing the most successful music scene in Memphis today, but because of the example the Atlanta has said as well as myself. Starting a unification process called welcome to my city when I dropped one volume two volume three, and now we work on a welcome to my city volume for I have encouraged every young man in the city of Memphis man to to buy into to come together to support each other in net is the way we will see the ultimate riches. The hate is gonNA. Keep keeping us. In underground you know that I have been a pioneer for the with motivation from guys like a Minister Farrakhan Martin Luther King being killed in our city same manse. At some point, this got to stop seeing where we are today. In the history of time is historical. The fact that I'm alive the fact that I'm young vibrant able to make music for my fans to deliver to my people in my peers. is is priceless man. Maine so I'm are honestly I still can't believe like that's my emotion. seriously. That's my Hash Tag. That's my move still can't believe and here it is the songs clear and we get the song released today on a daylight June eighteenth. So it's crazy. Marriott makes you found my instagram at drama boy fridge. Make sure you follow my clothing store at House Frisch, eighteen wheel of the record label at Drum squad records follow Dj coalition at drums, squad DJ and check on clothing line at fresh family man fresh. Family Spill P. H.. A. M. I. L. Y.. Follow our youtube channel drums. Squad, TV, subscribe I also hurt. The still can't believe a single and I get you on. The drums scorch on the keys. It's beautiful, so it was amazing. CALAMINE was Scott stores. I just made a post where we interviewed him, and we used a little clip that he said spoke about me so y'all check that out on my last post at drummer butch free. Man Drama Board podcast coming soon, I bet. Third Stay tuned. Well I mentioned Saito Vin. Because we got the burn single burn is is what's going on in the city. Man for real eye Wendy's got burned down by like. You know what I'm saying. The protests going on here like I'm in. It I'm i. have just recently voted got caught in a protest. You know what I'm saying so is is just so many epic moments that motivation like again you make music around what you see. At least I do I. Make Music around what I see. I'm very emotional producer so of around protests. If I'm around killing anger and hey, I'm GONNA make music. Did that that that matches daddy most while can I ask you a personal question? Yes? Cops especially today they're not America's favorite occupation right now and I think this modern civil rights. Movement is opening ignorant people's eyes to police, corruption, and how they force their will on people I want to ask you. It took a year for your brother's killer to get justice. Do you feel like the police did everything in their power to close that case or are you a bit disgruntle? FBI. FBI different ballgame this. We're talking federal, so it's a little bit different than. Than Than Police on. Detectives again is a whole different ballgame. Police nominate worked for the APD But I. Think what Detectives Do, and what the FBI does. Is a little bit different when you're a god, fearing man, have you? Did you forgive him? Dan But as You ask asking some questions Bro on. I haven't. But I haven't even thought about it so I would not even near you like the trial is still open. We haven't even went to trial for this shit like man. That's understandable why I wanNA I wanNA. Give a are to your big brother insane. Way And I know he had four kids. I know you're you're probably a great uncle. I know the whole. The whole situation is just tragic and and I. Know I think your knee jerk reaction was to. To distract yourself from the pain or deal with pain by Hey, I'm just GonNa go I'm going to be like my dad man. I'M GONNA. Put It in sixteen hours in the studio, but you kind of decided to Kinda take a year off from releasing music. So what did that time off? Allow you to do to where you are ready to come back full force a year later it allow me to water my relationships and end to understand family. It really understand what's important like. I can make a beat anytime. Dislike Ryan Bites nominee music. Don't control my life music, don't. and. That's the difference. Is is certain plus why used to be worried about my dad like y'all? Don't care about shit. Moments that might have been missed with me. when I was a kid, certain basketball games and I might want a mandate. I'm saying he. Chose to do other things would be other places. You know what I mean I think that's the difference would mean is just wanting to be there. Wanting to you know have a personal life and. Be Happy, personally my. How can you just be happy? Business Wise or Career wise, but you have no person I. Mean you learn a lot about that? You Quincy Jones. In his autobiography his documentary as well so I've seen so many other people. You know Kinda. Take advantage of time that we have especially while we. Enjoy life nominee It was good to kind of get all of those things and I've had some amazing people around me. That was able to show me low to. Really know what real genuine low Cli. Sometimes you know what I'm saying in the music industry? Everything say everybody wants some on the reason. These people you because you on the reason need people coach. Because you got this, you gotta data. You can do this for. You provide opportunities non I mean so. The personal is is much more genuine. Than the than the music industry and I think that's what helps, keep you grounded and allow you to attack the career even better. Yeah I hope by you talking with me. You feel that I'm genuine because I. Know you got people who use her presence for notoriety? Hey, where am I share on Instagram? Promote this promote that, but the fact that you're here means a lot because I. Know How Valuable Commodity Your time is now recognize it and giving away some of these jobs for free when you could write a book behind the hits or Publish release at any point. There's value in these stories as well so the book is on the way and his title behind the hits already written going through editorial stages right now it's crazy, you say so. We definitely on aligned so to speak. Men always pose eleven eleven so You sound like you could be of the eleven. Eleven caliber I. I appreciate that Man. Man I'm just a fan. You know and I know we're a ways off from the album, but it's going to be a cruel winter. I think the summer nineteen. Th is the date still. Yes, Sir December nineteenth. We're we're pushing it. I'm amid toilet I'm sticking to it. I'd like to give myself date ago so I can really attack. Be under pressure so to speak so. Yeah, that's that's what I'm. That's what I'm beating myself up about man pushing through December Nineteenth I. Appreciate You your music. The whole nine brother man thanks for being here. You're listening to the hotline US feed. Radio Network at live dot. HEARTLAND USEFULLY DOT com. This is supported by advertisers and contributions by. On facebook, twitter and INSTAGRAM's. This is the libby. Your daily source for Liberty News and activists updates produced in partnership with the SNL s network and listeners like you. Online at s network DOT com. I'm Murrow with your latest edition at the Liberty Beat? Golden starting at one thousand eight hundred twelve dollars silver at nine, hundred seventy three cents and Bitcoin is training around nine thousand, two hundred three dollars. Today's gold silver in bitcoin prices are brought to you by brave panicles