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682: Ten Sessions

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682: Ten Sessions

"Support for this. American life comes from capital. One right now you can earn one hundred thousand bonus miles you can actually use redeemable for vacation rentals car rentals and more when you spend twenty thousand dollars in your first year with the capital one venture card. What's in your wallet. Limited time offer terms apply see capital one dot com for details. Wbz chicago's this american life. I'm ira glass this kind of therapy for trauma victims of sexual assault soldiers with ptsd instead of taking years and talking and talking and talking on some couch to therapist with no end in sight you basically knock it out all the treatment. Just ten or twelve sessions two weeks. You can do it in two weeks. And it's effective. Studies have shown that this therapy has been around since the eighties but lots of people who might find it useful. Don't even know it's an option for them like prince jamie lo who's a writer reporter and a good candidate for the treatment. I was sexually assaulted when i was thirteen almost thirty years ago for most of those thirty years. I didn't really talk about it now. Because they didn't want to or need to but because they didn't know how a no one asked. Jimmy decided to do a story where she would go through this therapy herself. And record all the sessions which never happens most therapy usually. This treatment is in private not on the radio and how it works. It really is kind of remarkable. My mom was their best. I've been in therapy. This is so different from what i have ever heard. And that's going to be a show today. We're going to hear step by step. This sometimes life changing process and how that can happen so quickly. A quick Wanting to listeners before we start about content. This story does mention the sexual assault of a teenager. Here's jamie low. I thought because they didn't talk about the assault or even think about it much. Everything was resolved as it could be but then after donald trump and grab him by the pussy and harvey weinstein and all of them. It's not that specific memories of the assault would up. I just felt a mobilized anxious protective of my body. And i realized my sexual assault wasn't resolved at all around this time. I heard about a therapy for sexual assault survivors called cognitive processing therapy or cpt. A researcher described it to me as short term and expensive practical like learning scale the typical way to deal with trauman there be Talk about the incident over and over until it's less radioactive. Cpt does the same thing but in a systematized way. It's all laid out in advance and the same for everyone. But you'll do in the first session. And the second and the third and so on each session is based on learning a skill and practicing that skill on a worksheet you go over each element of the trauma piece by piece and try to see it differently. The goal is to change the story. You've been telling yourself about what happened. I got in touch with dr deborah. Cason a psychologist with a specialty in trauma therapy at the university of washington school of medicine she unite started talking and emailing about. Cpt it all seems so different than the therapy is used to my weekly talk sessions and i realized i wanted to try it. I've done a lot of therapy. After the assault i had to humana episodes and was diagnosed by polar. I've always been very open about mental illness. I wrote a book about being bipolar. A couple of years ago but even though that book is partly about my adolescence. I barely mentioned the assault. I've never dealt with it. I never wanted to in the book in treatment but now i was feeling the trauma more i thought. Cpt might help me. I also thought what if this could help. Lots of people. I stock case in if i could record the sessions and play them on the radio. She checked in with colleagues a psychologist with expertise in journalism. A journalism ethics professor. To make sure we'd be able to have a therapeutic relationship. While i was simultaneously doing a story about the therapy after a lot of back and forth and establishing some basic ground rules we set up our cpt bootcamp ten hour long sessions over two weeks in seattle usually. Cpt is one session a week for twelve weeks but we decided to condense it an early studies show. This approach is effective. I flew out to seattle session one october. Twenty second excellent okay. yeah. I'm sitting with dr cason and a generic room at the university clinic. I fail at setting up the recording equipment a few times before getting a semi right. I'm not a radio person. So let me tell you a little bit about what we're gonna do today so usually today is a little more heavy on the psycho ed. It's going to be a little different than a lot of our other sessions. I'm going to be talking a lot. Okay okay which takes a little bit of the pressure off of you. Maybe dr cason has a kindergarten teacher presence. That makes me feel ready and okay. She starts the first session with me the way she would with anyone by talking about sexual assault and ptsd fifty percent of women who are sexually assaulted developed. Ptsd that could mean symptoms like depression anxiety flashbacks some of the things. I've actually been feeling when. I hear at news dr. Cason hans mia photocopied worksheet. Everything we're going to do this. Entire therapy is structured around these worksheets. I'll do them airbnb. Dr cason and i meet. We'll go over them. Each set worksheets. Cover a new skill. And all master that before moving onto the next skill which dr k similar introduce at the end of each session. The idea is by the time we're done. I'll be able to do this on my own with any issue at my life. Dr explains my first assignment. Most of the worksheets have all sorts of boxes to fill with answers. They look like badly designed forms. You get it the dmv but this first one is just a sheet of paper. I want us right at least one page on. Why you think that the sexual assault occurred. I do not want you to use this opportunity. Rights decision details about the event. Okay this is more of what you think caused the event the phrase caused the event makes me uneasy because as much as i intellectually believe that nothing specific really caused the event. There are things. I still question. It's embarrassing after thirty years. I still might think. It's my fault. But i do like can tell you that the cause is going to be very hard for me. Yeah he'll we talked earlier about. What are the stories we tell ourselves it was right. The event happened. Because i took a shortcut right. The event happened. Because i had a drink. The event happened because i was wearing shorts scurr and sometimes people know that. That's not why it happened. But sometimes those thoughts still hunt them. There aren't any right or wrong answers. I want you to vomit the ideas on the page. That's my specialty. Also i love the also. That's what i want all right so any worries that you have about doing this. But of course i'm worried the thought of reliving. The soul is terrifying. Even reading the one sentence description of the assault during the audio recording of my book left me in tears over earlier. Titillated the details out loud. I just don't know what will come out. I don't know what it's going to be like that they got for the next two weeks session to so what are you actually doing right now. Yeah i'm totaling in you. Describe the worksheet. Actually happy to so. This is Called the petit checklists. Okay okay and all it is is a measure of how intense the symptoms of. Ptsd are dr case and says we'll start all the sessions like this going over my ptsd symptoms and reading their intensity. How frequently have i been thinking of the trauma. Have i been dreaming about it. Reliving it in the past twenty four hours. How much have i been. Distressed by repeated disturbing an unwanted memories of the traumatic event each question. It's a numerical value on a scale of zero to four and dr case announce them up And so what i'll do is i'll actually start graphing these and keeping track cool have them. I'm not sure how to answer these questions with a number. But i have the same problem when physicians ask me to repeat pain on a scale of one to ten after we go over my. Ptsd symptoms dr komo. Ask me about my mood. The move on to the homework what she calls the practice most of each session. We're going to spend actually reviewing the practice that you did over the day. Okay so for today. we're gonna do. We're gonna actually start by going through the impact statement that you wrote the impact statement. The one page worksheet on why. I think the assault happened. I wrote up before sunrise this morning and it was not surprisingly really hard to write someone. Have you read to me what you wrote. Okay okay. i was young thirteen. And i don't think i know i knew much about actual human nature friendliness strangers. It's funny to think that. I was not cautious about the very thing. Kids are always warned of strangers. I walked to my bus stop alone every morning. It was always early. Great jamie to stay with there. Were many people because it was los angeles and one walks stuff used to pass alley and wave at a man. He was young. Maybe late teens. Early twenties every morning. Eight wave at him. He would walk up the alley cross the alley or some mornings. I would walk down the alley against my mom's instructions but we'd pass a night always waiver smile. Which is how a greeted in the neighborhood. Didn't seem like he should be any different. And in some ways. In retrospect i feel like overcompensated and one extra friendly and may be invited him in a way somehow signaled to Let this was something. I wanted that. My friendliness was misinterpreted as desire. But they should have avoided him rather than interact. I breakdown but i keep reading. Even though i had followed doctor caissons instructions not to write down specific details of the event just yet they were all coming back to me on the way. Do you did an incredible job with you. Did an incredible job. Dr cason hansman kleenex box. Yeah i'm really into the snot leaves work fine for me Is it okay with you. If i take a look at of course all right So warm of things was a piece of your mom's instructions is that i noticed that those emotions got a little more intense. When you got to that i hit. That was something new. Actually remember until. I was reading this morning. We were number really supposed to walk down the alley. Even though it was closer to get the bus stop. I tell dr some more about my mom's rule and how i up. She wonders if this might be stuck point. Stuck points of first skill introduced in. Cpt and they might be the most important skill of all in a sense. The entire project of cpt is finding stuck points and then learning how to unstick them. A stuck point is basically something you hold to be true but might in fact not be true. A stuck point is a belief or a thought. That's keeping you stuck in the ptsd stuck in thinking that it's your fault or that there's something you could have done to avoid it or stuck in any number of upsetting inaccurate harmful ways remembering. What happened there so central to this process. The doctor cason hands me a worksheet titled stuck point log pack. This is going to be a living document that you and i going to share. We'll keep track of all my stock points here adding to the list. We identify new ones each session and crossing them off as i work through them so i may i may be here in a little bit of a stir point maybe around like i should have listened to my mom or if i hadn't gone that way with the happened i think that's more like if i hadn't waved it wouldn't have actually feels more a way So write that down. We're gonna start keeping track of these. We find him okay. So if i hadn't waved it wouldn't have happened all right dr case and asked me what feelings are coming up. I mean i hear the word. Shame associated a lot with things. Like those and i feel like that would apply but it doesn't feel like the right word like it feels more just like i wanted to just shelter myself and i want to just cocoon. I think i also just don't like that word Like i think that there is something shameful about shame. Like it's like i don't know so i think that's going to be an important one for for us to sort out. Actually 'cause feelings aren't good or bad ray. Some another word though bristle the word. Shame i always have. There's no room for shame. It sounds to me like if you have shame you have something to feel. Shameful about with shame come softness and vulnerability and fragility. So you'll see these lovely worksheets are called. Abc sheets it's the end of the session and abc is the new skill. I'm supposed to fill in the column with the activating event. In my case the sexual assault be with my belief or stuck point about the event. See with the consequence of that belief or stuck point. It's kind of clunky. But the idea seems to be to get you to see that you're stuck points are not rational and that hanging onto these irrational stuff. Points has real emotional consequence that continuing. Tell yourself this stuff. As fact makes you feel bad. Last thoughts questions headed this work for you today Could it was intense. I mean was laying those definitely. I feel weirdly better. Because i feel like we've started started are i'm gonna make a copy of the impact statements. Okay all right. Thank session two. It's done session three. So this is hard for me. To answer is the unwanted. I'm sitting with dr caisson going over the checklist of ptsd symptoms. Did i have memories about the assault. Was i dreaming about it. Reliving it to feel like surrealism at all We finish the checklist. And take out the worksheets. Done seven the night before because i'm doing a crash course in c. p. t. each session. Each day covers a week's worth of treatment. It feels like i'm cramming. But dr case in time she has patients who are still doing worksheets in the waiting room before sessions. That makes me feel a little better. We pick up with the stuck point. We started on yesterday. If i hadn't said hi. He wouldn't have assaulted me. Had you interacted with sky beforehand. It had been several weeks. Probably saying hi okay and did anything happen on those other days where you said. Hi no dr. Cason has clearly heard similar stuck points if she pokes holes in my logic. Until it's obvious that there's another way to see it. Could he have assaulted you. If you had never said. High guess the likelihood that that was the causes very small to now we were a little girl right right. You're a little girl going to school. But still i wouldn't have said i was a little girl like i felt like i was someone who was able to operate in the world and have conversations and interactions with adults and have responsibility an associate the words little girl with a kind of unformed helpless pink thing covered and ruffles. I didn't relate at thirteen. I was babysitting. I had crushes them. Fantasies happily went to the movies or by myself works. We move onto another one of the stuck appoints which was covering something i hadn't thought about for a long time what i was wearing on the day of the assault or something. I wore floral boxers from the gap and a matching solid colored. T. shirt well doing the worksheets. This morning i realized that some part of me still thought the assault was my fault for wearing men's boxer shorts. When i tell dr case about this i mean i liked thinking about what i was wearing and trying to wear cute things and she assumes that there was some kind of sexiness attached to the outfit for me but that wasn't a or i didn't wear sexy like i have never really worn. Makeup bird can good at that kind of thing. That's just like not my about your thing. Okay the outfit wasn't sexy. These were baggy clothes that masked my body but even as the assault was happening. I remember standing there and thinking it was somehow because of the boxers i remembered being very like associating. The exact outfit exactly with what was happening. I remember that it was because it was an elastic waistband. That seemed like it was like there was more access to me or that like there was something about talking call of clothing and the choice of it that fell like that may be in some way caused even if it wasn't the sexy factor right okay So it might not be the sexy factor but it might be an access fact or like an appropriate like maybe an appropriate clothing interesting. All right i remember picking out the outfit at the gap and i remember putting it in the giveaway pile months later and being asked why was giving it away since it looked brand now by the end of the work. She my thinking chefs. I articulate my new thought about the boxers. A more balanced thoughts dr casing calls it. Came up with is really lovely balanced. Thought which is it doesn't matter what you wear. How much do you believe that I believe that. I think it can happen to anyone i mean. I think it's it has nothing to do with what you're wearing. I think i'm starting to understand. Dr caissons technique with these stuck points. She asks questions. So i can arrive at answers myself my previous beliefs shifts because i've concluded that it's inaccurate. She's my guide. But i have to come to the conclusion myself. So when you have. That thought matter what i wear what happens. That feeling of shame shifts to helplessness in some ways Interesting so. If it's what i wear if i change what i wear i can be safe right. It doesn't matter than there's nothing i can do if someone wants to sexually assault you. I think there's very little you can do. At the end of the session dr caisson introduces a skull. All right some of the teaches something new. Okay binding evidence for whether you're stuck wayne is true. She hands me. Something called the challenging questions worksheet. The questions are like the ones she asked me during the session. Like am i looking at this in an exaggerated way. Am i looking at the whole picture. My basing things on facts or feelings okay. Okay my homework. Tonight is deduced. seven more worksheet. I'm gonna go make you a bunch of poppies. okay. And i'm gonna stop Session for so first of all. How was your mood you know. I don't know how people live in seattle. It's very gray and rainy like all morning. I really wanted to take a walk. I'm not used to the gray damp fog of seattle. I understand the mutinous twin peaks better and why cardigans were so essential for kurt cobaine. It doesn't help that the majority of my time and spends alone hold up making spaghetti and doing homework piles and piles of homework. How's the practice. It was harder than the other. I think it's also just so used to knowing what therapy is religiously. It's super different is super different. I am and so. I guess i feel like a straight a student ending. Lessees taking a chemistry class at like. I'm in someone else's clothes oop and they. They are quite different major right now. Yeah i take the worksheets and we loop back to my stuck point about the boxers. I wonder if it would have been harder for him to assault me if i was wearing jeans. And from what you know about patrician More difficult does that mean not possible. No it's still possible yet. Then he had a knife right. Yeah yeah and we're going to be working on a skill tomorrow So if you're having some strong feelings as on this one what's coming up for you right now stay with it i think just thinking about the nave always makes me. Yeah so. I want you to not turn. Shut the emotions town okay. Walk me through how it unfolded. I was walking the school. I walked past the alley. I'm not used to speaking out loud about what happened. But i knew that at some point it would come. It would all come up the details. How i felt what exactly happened in that moment. And what exactly changed. We're nearing the end of our first week together. And i feel like dr cason on purpose or not has waited until we both felt comfortable. There was trust. The skills of cpt had been discussed. And then there's the story men. The main reason. I was here in this room in the city. It was time for it to come out. He was kind of in this lake of cove. I guess behind bush. We lived in a very middle class area in west los angeles. Our apartment was near two big streets. Santa monica boulevard. And beverly glen. There are office buildings nearby and a big mall with a massive court. My mom's greatest fear in life was that our landlord would sell the duplex for us to leave. It was a place where i knew. Most of our neighbors. There were always people hanging out in front of their houses are across the street. Neighbors were mechanics with a pit. Bull named bumper was a tree line. Sunkist america dream neighborhood that morning. I walked past an alley between an office building an apartment building and the guy was there and he he like like i smiled and waved than he beckoned me over. I didn't know why. And then i walked over in He held a knife to mice is and then he. He put his hands down my boxers and felt my vagina. At and then i think i said something about like protesting. He said my father owed him money. And you don't. There's no way that true many kept saying let me just catch her and put his mouth on my vagina and then like i scream but it was a scream. Just kind of a vogel articulation. It wasn't particularly loud. And then he ran up the alley the other way i wish the word vaginas and feel so clinical. It was more than that it was like. He found a way into my personal sexuality. Like a portal into parts of me. I hadn't explored or known. Because i was so young eighth grade before it happened. I would dream about having a first kiss and then after it happened. I thought i'd never be able to like i'd never be able to experience. Romantic interactions or understand them. Sex sexual bodies. That should is hard enough for thirteen year old and so in that moment where he had a knife up to you. What did you think was going to happen to your member no idea. I didn't know you were just super scared. I think part of the reason that i haven't dealt with a lot of it is like the outcome. Wasn't anything no. I've heard this before from other people who've been assault. The outcome wasn't like that bad. I wasn't briefed. It wasn't like even cut like nothing was physically wrong. Nothing was like particularly damaged. I guess except for like psychologically everything was so. It's in some ways. I think even harder. Because i felt like it wasn't so bad or i was supposed to think it wasn't so bad. I'm hearing a stuck point around. I shouldn't be distressed like this wasn't. There's almost a a little bit of minimizing kind of stuck point. Yeah what how. Would you put it more with the belief. Be around that they. Because i wasn't raped her because i wasn't cutoff. I shouldn't have re. I shouldn't have these reactions. I'm not sure exactly. What stuck point is. I think because it wasn't worse because it wasn't worse i should be functioning better. I add this to the stuck point log. My experience by the way was an outlier in that was assaulted by a stranger. Sexual assault is usually perpetrated by an acquaintance or family member. Only seven percent of juvenile victims. Who report sexual assault or assaulted by strangers. At the end of the session dr cason introduces the new scale patterns of problematic thinking which include things like mind reading an emotional reasoning and exaggerating or minimizing. I'm put off by the language. It's oddly formal. I came in thinking. Cpt was supposed to be accessible. But it's hard to get a handle on. They use real english words but not in the dictionary definition way guilty. The phrases have a separate. Cpt meaning do these makes sense for the most part for you kind of cat one. Where do you have questions i guess. What are we doing this for so dr case explained. This is part of a process. We are in the process of learning that it will make sense. But i don't see how it's adding up yet. It's just painful and hard right. But i'm gonna make you another copy of the actual parents. Okay cool it session. Five have made it to friday of my first week. It feels like a small victory. I'm thinking of the assault constantly. I'm staying in gentrified industrial neighborhood of ballard. It's quiet. There are lots of car repair entire shops and warehouses inexpensive expensive microbreweries controlling the street. I'm reminded of the alley locking the doors at night to the airbnb worry about security. I don't know anyone around me and they feel alone. I don't wanna take risks. I don't want to explore seattle. I won't go for a run too too many risks or doing things that could cause you harm. They're being super alert or watchful are on guard to today after the ptsd checklist. Dr cason reveals the worksheet. That all the worksheets were leading up to this whole time. It is many boxes and tables and questions twenty-six and all it's the mother of all worksheets. It includes all the things. I've learned the worksheets till now. It's intimidating and complicated but dr kasem reminds me that i know how to do each step. She says now that. I have all the skills i need to do. Cpt the therapy will shift. But what we're going to be doing from this session on out is we're going to start working with different themes The first one we're going to focus in on his around safety okay. so how. This event may have affected. Greig's safety we practice a couple stuck points on the big mama worksheet. One of them is about how i'm feeling uncomfortable and seattle. I mentioned that. The dodgers are playing in the world series. And i'm hesitant to walk the few blocks to the bar at the end of my street but really wanna watch the game. Dr cason says that. I should consider trying to go to the bar to watch the game that it's actually not risky behavior. She's not a big baseball fan. So i almost feel like the assignment is for both of us. So i'm gonna. I'm gonna ask you on monday with you. Saw the get into a yes cat all right so in terms of an. I'll ask you if you know what the score was. Oh are to actually. I hate to tell you this. But i'm really treatment resistant. Sounds like a stuck point could be stuck point. We could get through the baseball stuck together. Absolutely we'll set it as a long term treatment goal. Yes all right so in terms of as hard as this week has been. It helps. trust actor casey. She's a good guide. Jimmy coming up if you something important about yourself from a worksheet. Is it okay to feel resentful that you wanted from a worksheet. 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And at an affordable rate for a special offer visit better help dot com slash t. a. l. that's better help dot com slash t. l. does american life. Miracle is today's program ten sessions. What can you do with trauma from long ago. It's never healed just tuning in writer. Jamie go heard about a kind of therapy called. Cpt cognitive processing therapy. That helps people deal with unhealed trauma from sexual assault or combat. Pd incredibly in. Just ten or twelve sessions and she decided to try herself. We pick up halfway through therapy session. Sex all right. So so in general since i lost on friday. Has your mood been. It's monday and i've self cared my way through the weekend. Which is another way to say that. I went to a handful of vintage clothing stores. I bought a poncho. The colors of mardi gras did not by the t shirt that said rain and coffee and salmon. And we'd the dodgers lost this series. But i went to the bar to watch the game and it was fine. It was actually nice all right. So do you want to check levels and then we will delve the end. Yeah why don't you speak a tiny bit. We check the audio levels. I still have no idea if i'm doing it right. I tell myself. Worst case scenario. I won't be able to share the most traumatic moments of my life with millions of people and that seems like an okay outcome i take out the big mama worksheets. I over the weekend. Each sheet took a lot longer than i expected. I think dr case and picks out a worksheet the stuck point. I can't protect myself k. I can't protect myself. Oh good this is a great one to do also with you going out to the bar to really relevant dr casein pauses. It seems like she's seeing a stuck point in the stock plan which happens a lot. Russian dolls of stuck points. Let me ask you a question. Also there's another piece here. Are you different now than you were. Then yeah how so older. No more i've learned from that experience Reminds me of that song and into the woods. The music la the little writing unsung. Yup which is basically all about sexual trauma. There's a song from stephen sondheim's musical into the woods that are used to listen to over and over the attack. The wolf beckons little red. Riding hood she strays from the path and then she sings. He drew me close and he swallowed me down down. A dark slimy path. Where lie secrets that. I never want to know when everything familiar seemed to disappear forever. I mean those lyrics described how i felt in the aftermath of the assault to a t. That everything familiar seemed to disappear forever. Dr cason and i walk through the worksheet. Step by step through all the prompts and questions. Cpt relies on evidence for my stuck point with are making an all or nothing statement. Whether i'm jumping to conclusions. what. I'm leaving out. I realized that. I still feel angry with myself for freezing that it didn't scream sooner. Hit him run or defend myself and the doctor case reminds me that he had a knife. If somebody's got a weapon sometimes freezing as the best response in that moment or the only response in we continue going through it and eventually i reached a more balanced thought. Good i did what. I could to protect myself from physical harm absolutely. That's beautiful that you came up with that. The big mama worksheets. Ask for percentages related to how much you feel things and how much you believe. Certain thoughts at the beginning of this worksheet. I believed i can't protect myself. Seventy percent by the end. I'm in a different place. And so you manage to get that from seventy percent to twenty percent. That's some really nice movement around that. Yeah i don't fully understand the percentages. But i do. I did feel better after working. Throw it nice and fear came down. Anger came down and frustration came down. Nice that's lovely and you've also got some other balanced thoughts in here to like. I can't protect myself. Most of the time. Yeah you can think about. How does that feel ever since. They can't protect myself all beautiful job with that suddenly. I'm getting the worksheets. They're still difficult because thinking is difficult but that night i find that doing them as combing and clear the next day in session seven i tell dr case that there's something about the writing that's really key and so when i'm writing it down i'm just seeing the events subtle shifts are really different when you right. That's right. i can see the beginning point. And i see the anna. I'm just like it's like your forehead slapping or just like. Oh yeah that starting point was really off. That's not a rational way to think right. But i love what i'm hearing you say is also you're really seeing some cognitive shifts with doing these two. It's hard work but you're also seeing some payout. Yeah i think i must a little resentful that. It's just coming from at worksheet i. I'm serious like nurse some behind because it's like it's like a I can't describe it but it's sort of like okay. I think i can describe it. It's a i think. By in like talk their Traditional analysis it's so individualized so cocooned so specified to your relationship with one person and that space in that time. And it's it's very much like a special thing whereas worksheet. It's an equation. And so it's more generic which actually makes it way better in a lot of way so hard because it feels less special ray but also kind of late night this precious thing your special in your problems or special g sting. I like that. The goal of c. P. t. is to have the tools to be your own therapist several. Cpt experts told me their role as clinicians was to put themselves out of business. I'm not sure that's true of talk therapy for me anyway. I don't set an end goal with. Cpt i have. I know exactly what i want to work on. And i'm drilling down on that one thing. I'm dealing with the after effects of sexual assault and i have a list of stuck points to show for it. Thirty one different sentences written sloppily on a piece of paper like list of groceries deal. Dr cason asks me if i've crossed any off a cross off a bunch. I just didn't think for stuck points in the first place and then i crossed off some that. I felt like we worked through. That's fantastic if i hadn't said hi. He wouldn't have assaulted me done with that. I can't trust my judgment crossed off. Because it wasn't worse i should be functioning better gone. I've been working so hard to learn the process of cpt that it didn't realize how much i'd resolved along the way i leave the session. Feeling a sense of accomplishment. I love making lists. I love crossing things my less. This is starting to feel satisfying You check my level. Yeah it's session. Eight and dr cason an ira making levels jokes. I'll check the level of her volume and she'll check the levels of ptsd symptoms since yesterday. How much distressed. By repeated disturbing an unwanted memories of the dramatic about one. Probably one doctor cason. And i are starting to get into a nice comfortable rhythm. And of course there's only three sessions left including this one. It's halloween and she's got on themed and spider web sites in another setting. I might find this kind of ridiculous. But i know her enough to know. It's genuine and wonderful. I feel sad. I'm not dressed up to we. Go through my big mama worksheets. Just as dr case said we would. We've been using the big worksheets to explore big themes we've gone through safety and esteem. Today's control one of my stuck point. Says when i'm not in control bad things will happen which i believe eighty percent. Whatever this do you have that. If you are not in control bad things will happen. bad things have happened when i haven't been in control. Okay so so you could say things in the past okay So i'm assuming what the sexual assault events the happen when your manic. Okay dr case in asks about mania. I pause just sit there for a while the nod without saying anything controls a big thing for me. It's a big thing in mania. You're not in control but you think you are right. You're relaxing dr cason. And i keep going through the sheet my statement when i'm not in control bad things will happen. Is there evidence that might not be true test. So bad things can happen when i'm in when you are in control. Yeah absolutely Have you ever been out of control and not at something bad happen. Yeah we go over my answers. Each of the little boxes on the worksheet by the end. I have a new thought. Giving up control does not always mean bad. Things will happen right. Dr cason asks what feelings. Come up when i'm thinking about giving up control to be all fears the first one some and then there's shuffling a lot of guilt and shame. Yeah so really. Come around to the shame concept gave you a million grace out. That's true that is true. We're joking but there's something they're stuck points. I'm realizing that for me. Shame is related to mental illness after mania. It's hard not to want to be buried for a decade until everyone forgets that. You tried to start a hippie cole. And a two covered in glitter and more pain today at the end of this session. My homework is a little different. And then i want you to practice giving one compliment and receiving one compliment at orly. Speak to people. I know so. It would mean you'd have to speak to people give one compliment and seve one. How do i make someone complement me. So that's tough because you're in a strange city yeah So what it's going to mean as a couple of things. Either you need to listen for compliments. You're getting naturally without filtering them okay. Four sometimes veer interacting with people. Then you may be more likely to get compliments. This is the point of the exercise. Dr cason is preparing me for life post treatment by encouraging me to interact with people. She explains that social isolation often follows. Ptsd session nine all right. Let's dig into have a practice before we go into worksheets. How did the giving and receiving compliments go yesterday. When dr casing gave me the compliment assignment it seemed difficult and silly it felt like i entered mr rogers land and even though i know he was a good soul. I was always a muppets. Show person took on. I wasn't entirely sure how to conduct compliments. As i anticipated. Giving compliments was pretty easy. I told archer case in that i told my guy. I liked his record collection and his illustrations. Yeah nice getting compliments i did. It was really funny. Actually i got very a really really really bad compliment to me. Yeah I pause choking up. Someone wrote me an email book about my buck mental. The memorial wrote about being bipolar. The email was from a young woman who has also bipolar. She had to leave college and go home and kind of relationships. Her plans and she'd said that she really felt lake. The story that i told was something that she had never read but could really relate to really that's powerful. We'd been talking in a previous session about my feelings of being a failure of not doing well at my work. Dr cason wants me to remember this. Email try it november. It's hard. It's really hard for me to remember the positive responses like a anything and so this is one free to practice right. This is so we're starting to move into a life skills right now. this is one. That's going to be a life skill for you. What am i leaving out. That's been really helpful question for you right it. It forces you to get out of that negative space and look for things that don't fit with the stock point. This is the next to last session and they can feel. We're coming to the end. The way dr case in his talking and the way feeling it just feels close to over and then my last homework assignment is revealed I want you to write at least one page on what you think now about why. The traumatic event occurred. It makes sense if one purpose of this therapy is to change the story. You're telling yourself it would be a good gauge to write a before and after to see how. The narrative chefs the perfect Session tap how was it. Writing the second pack statement it felt like it was less Fraught like it's the day of my last session and it's like seattle noseda this morning. I wrote the ferry saad. Double rainbow walked around. Bainbridge island with a friend and saw santen real son through trees and abandoned mel's sun shining against the sound and against graffiti and against soaring seagulls son reflected on the sign for bernie's automotive service that read welcome to the team. Charlie it all it's shining and miraculous. I could feel the excitement of being done and the pacific northwest felt with me. Writing the second impact statement was easier than writing the first one so i didn't feel pent-up emotion spilling over. I didn't feel out of control. So i'm going to have you read it to me. Okay ka the attack happened because who knows what had happened. I don't know why he must. I don't know what motivated him. I know that it didn't happen because i was there or wearing. Boxers or friendly are willing upon myself. I was young and walking the school. Not looking for sexual assault. That's pretty improbable. Why would anyone look for that. I think it happened. Because i just really can't explain why he was in control. He had a knife. I did everything. I could to protect myself and to get away my feelings after it happened. Were natural my response was as good as it could be. Good is the wrong word. But i think i did. Okay considering all the circumstances other keep going. And when i get to the end dr cason reads back what i wrote after first session. My original impact statement. So let me read back to you what you wrote the first time. I was young thirteen. And i don't think i knew much about actual human nature friendliness strangers. It's funny to think that. I was not cautious about the very thing. Kids are always warned of strangers. A walked my bus stop alone. Every morning dr casing keeps reading and they can hear how my story has changed. So what changes do you here. I think there's a huge shift of focus now. Feels like there's just a different way of seeing like that. Attacked us doesn't feel as potent. I think that's what i heard too. And also an acceptance that you may never know invite. You probably will never know exactly why it happened. Be could be really confident that endeavor anything to do with you rating which is something that i do. Think i intellectually understood. It wasn't something. I accept that i don't think and i think that in the difference between the first statement the last there was acceptance that acceptance that. It wasn't me that it wasn't my fault dr hens me and print out of the. Ptsd check ends that we did at the beginning of each session by the end. My number has dropped from the initial total by about twelve points. She says ten points indicates meaningful change. The number doesn't mean that much to me. But i do feel better. I know that she wonders how i feel about the therapy overall. What did you notice in the process. What was helpful for you. What was not helpful. How have you seen chefs. I've definitely seeing. I mean i think working through all of this stuff about the salt was incredibly helpful. Because i felt like there was a lot of unresolved assumptions that i didn't really recognize where there and the frankly kind of relief to not really have that there as much they just kind of feels better. The process of cpt surprised me. Its effectiveness surprised me. I could see in just those two statements. How the ten sessions in between shifted. My thinking this is like ninja therapy. They distract with the weird language and then progress creeps up on you from behind as always. Dr cason is huckabee'll gracious warm. I'm gonna miss her. I'm sad to leave. Even though i know it's time and i know i can. That's it all right. It's been ten months since i did. Cpt i still have my older stuffed with more than one hundred worksheets. The spine is reinforced with neon orange duct tape because the folder is falling apart. But i'm not. I feel like i did in fact get something. I wanted out of us more than what i expected. I don't feel hopeless and incapacitated when i hear about other assaults the news doesn't dictate my emotional state in the same way. When jeffrey epstein was found dead. I was angry on behalf of its victims. I shouted a few expletives and through my phone on the ground but still function and really that's a very rational reaction before cpt. I had a lot of anxiety and overwhelming feelings. I was experiencing. Ptsd symptoms which. I didn't even realize. I had my suspicions that these intense emotions were related to the assault. But it was never named for me now. My symptoms are mostly gone and when problems come up i can work them through my head or pull out a blank worksheet. There's a surge of women seeking help right now. A national sexual assault hotline two hundred percent increase over normal volume after the cavenaugh gearing there was a twenty percent increase in calls after the r kelly doc aired after the sentencing hearing of larry nassar calls to the same hotline increased by forty six percent. Of course so many survivors of sexual assault. Don't get any treatment at all. Not talk therapy not. Cpt nothing when i started cpt. It was hard to say. 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682: Ten Sessions

"Support for this american life comes from indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist list of qualified candidates using online dashboard find out more at indeed dot com slash american w._b._z. Chicago's this american life. I'm america's this is kinda therapy for trauma victims of sexual assault soldiers with p._t._s._d. Instead of taking years and talking talking talking on some couch to a therapist with no end in sight you basically knock it out all the treatment and just ten or twelve sessions two weeks. You can do it in two weeks and it's effective studies have shown that this therapy has been around since the eighties but i think lots of people who might find it useful. Don't even know it's an option for them like for instance j. Lo who's a writer reporter and a good candidate for this treatment. I was sexually assaulted when i was thirteen almost thirty years years ago and for most of those thirty years. I didn't really talk about it now because they didn't want to or need to but because they didn't know how and no one asked. Jimmy decided to do a story where she would go through this therapy herself record all the sessions which you never happens like most therapy usually this treatment is in private not on the radio and hearing how it works. It really is kind of remarkable. <hes> my mom was therapist. I've been therapy. This is so different from what i have ever heard and that's going to be showed it. We're gonna hear it step by step this sometimes life changing process and how that can happen so quickly a quick <hes> wanting to listeners before we start about content. This story does mention the sexual the assault of a teenager. Here's jimmy low. I thought they didn't talk about the assault or even think about it much. Everything was as resolved as it could could be but then after donald trump and grab him by the pussy and harvey weinstein and all of them. It's not that specific memories of the assault would would pop up. I just felt a mobilized anxious protective of my body and i realized my sexual assault wasn't resolved at all around this time i heard about a therapy for sexual assault survivors called cognitive processing therapy or c._p._t. <music> a researcher described it to me as short term and expensive practical like learning a skull the typical way to deal with trauma therapy. This is talk about the incident over and over until it's less radioactive c._p._t. Does the same thing but in a systematized way it's it's all laid out in advance and the same for everyone what you'll do in the first session and the second and the third and so on each session is based on learning a skill and practicing that skill on a worksheet you go over each element of the trauma piece by piece and try to see it differently. The goal is to change the story been telling yourself about what happened. I got in touch with dr deborah cason a psychologist with a specialty in trauma therapy urbi at the university of washington school of medicine. She unite started talking and emailing about c._p._t. It all seems so different than the therapy i was used to. Oh my weekly talk sessions and i realized i wanted to try it. I've done a lot of therapy. After the assault. I had to manic episodes awards and was diagnosed bipolar. I've always been very open about mental illness. I wrote a book about being bipolar a couple years ago but even though that book is partly lately about my adolescents. I barely mentioned the assault. I've never dealt with it. I never wanted to in the book in treatment but now i was feeling trauma more. I thought c._p._t. Might help me. I also thought what if this could help lots of people dr sin if i could record the sessions and play them on the radio she checked in with colleagues a psychologist with an expertise in journalism <hes> <hes> journalism ethics professor to make sure we'd be able to have a therapeutic relationship while i was simultaneously doing a story about the therapy after go back and forth and establishing some basic ground rules we set up our c._p._t. Bootcamp ten hour long sessions over two weeks in seattle seattle usually see one session a week for twelve weeks but we decided to condense it. An early studies show. This approach is effective last us octo ber. I flew out to seattle session one october twenty second excellent okay yeah i'm sitting with dr cason and a generic eric room at the university clinic. I fail at setting up the recording equipment a few times before getting a semi right. I'm not a radio person so let me tell. Are you a little bit about what we're gonna do today. So usually today is a little more heavy on the psycho ed. It's going to be a little different than a lot of our other sessions. I'm going to be talking a lot. Okay okay which takes a little bit of the pressure off of you. Maybe dr cason has a kindergarten teacher presence that makes me feel ready and okay eh. She starts the recession with me the way she would with anyone by talking about sexual assault and p._t._s._d. Fifty percent of women who i sexually assaulted developed p._t._s._d. That could mean symptoms like depression anxiety flashbacks some of the things i've actually been feeling when komo news dr cason hans mia photocopied worksheet everything we're going to do this. Entire therapy is structured around these worksheets do them my airbnb and when dr cason and we'll go over them each said worksheets will cover a new skill and all master that before moving onto the next skill which dr k similar introduce at the end of each session. The idea is by the time we're done. I'll be able to do this on my own with any issue in my life. Dr cason explains my first assignment. Most of the worksheets have all sorts of boxes to fill with the answers. They look like badly designed forms forms. You'd get at the d._m._v. but this first one is just a sheet of paper. I want you to do is right at least one page on why you think that the a sexual assault occurred i do not want you to use. This opportunity writes the same details about the event okay. This is more. I think caused the event. The phrase caused the event makes me uneasy because as much as i intellectually believe leave that nothing specific really caused the event there are things i still question. It's embarrassing that after thirty years. I still might think it's my fault. I'll do like can tell you that. The cause is going to be very hard for me. He'll we talked earlier about. What are the stories. We tell ourselves. It was right. The event happened because i i took a shortcut <hes> right. The event happened because i headed drink. The event happened because i was wearing short skirts and sometimes people know that that's not why it happened but sometimes those thoughts still haunt want them. There aren't any right or wrong answers. I want you to vomit the ideas on the pain. That's my specialty also awesome awesome. That's what i want all right so any worries that you have about doing this yep. But of course i'm worried the thought of reliving the soul is terrifying even reading the one sentence description of the assault during the audio recording of my book left me in tears over earlier titillated the details out loud i just i just don't know what will come out. I don't know what it's going to be like that for the next two weeks <music> <music> session to though whether you actually doing right now yeah i'm totaling in you. Describe the worksheet actually yeah happy to so this is <hes> called the checklists okay okay and all it is is a measure of how intense the symptoms of p._t._s._d. Are dr cason says we'll start. All the sessions like this going over my p._t._s._d. Decent dems and reading their intensity. How frequently have i been thinking of the trauma. Have i been dreaming about it reliving it in the past twenty twenty four hours. How much have i been distressed by repeated disturbing an unwanted memories of the traumatic event each question. It's a numerical value on a scale of zero to four and dr case announce them up <hes> and so what i'll do is i'll actually start graphing these and keeping track cool have of them. I'm not sure how to answer these questions with a number but i have the same problem when physicians ask me to rape pain on a scale of one to ten after we go over my p._t._s._d. Symptoms dr k._o._m._o. Ask me about my mood the move onto the homework what she calls the practice most the beach session. We're going to spend actually review in the practice that you did over the day okay so for today we're gonna do is we're going to actually start by going through the impact statement that you wrote the impact statement the one page worksheet on why i think the assault happened i wrote before sunrise this morning and it was not surprisingly surprisingly really hard to right so i'm gonna have you read to me what you route. Okay okay <hes>. I was young thirteen and i don't think i know i knew much about actual human nature friendliness strangers. It's funny to think that i was is not cautious about the very thing kids always warned of strangers. I walked to my bus. Stop alone. Every morning. It was always early doing great jammie to stay with in there were many people because it was los angeles and no one walks. I used to pass an alley and wave at a man he was young. Maybe late teens early twenties every morning eight wave at him. He would walk up the alley. I would cross the alley or some mornings. I would walk down ali against my mom's instructions but we'd pass a night always wave or smile. Which is how a greeted. Everyone in. The neighborhood didn't seem like he should be any different and in some ways in retrospect. I feel like overcompensated. Ada was extra friendly and may be invited him in wave somehow signaled to <hes> that this was something i wanted that my friendliness was misinterpreted as desire but they should have avoided him rather than interact. I breakdown think but i keep reading. Even though i had followed doctor caissons instructions not to write down specific details of the event just yet they were all coming back to me on the way. Do you did an incredible job with that. You did an incredible job dr cason hansman kleenex box yeah a million. It's not leaves work fine for me. <hes> is it okay with you. If i take take a look at of course all right <hes> so one of the things it was a piece in your mom's instructions is that i noticed that those emotions got a little more intense when you got to that i hit. That was something actually remember until i was reading this morning. We were never really supposed to walk down l. e. Even though it was closer to get the bus stop. I tell dr case a more about my mom's rule and how i broke out. She wonders if this might be a stuck. Point stuck points of a first skill introduced in c._p._t. And they might be the most important skill of all in a sense. The entire project of oh c._p._t. Is finding stuck points and then learning how to unstick them a stuck point is basically something you hold to be true but might in fact not be true true. A stuck point is a belief or a thought. That's keeping you stuck in the p._t._s._d. Stuck in thinking that it's your fault or that there's something you could've done to avoid it for stuck in any number of upsetting inaccurate harmful ways of remembering what happened there so central to this process. Ask the doctor cason hands. A worksheet titled stuck point log impact. This is going to be a living document that you and i are going to share. We'll keep track of all my stuck checkpoints here adding to the list as we identify new ones each session and crossing them off as i work through them so i may i may be here in a little bit of a stir start point. Maybe around like i should listen to my mom or if i hadn't gone that way wouldn't have happened. I think it's more like if i hadn't waved it wouldn't have a perfect actually feels more away so write. Write that down. We're going to start keeping track of these as we find him. Okay so if i hadn't waved it wouldn't have happened. Okay all right dr case and asked me what feelings are coming up. I mean i hear the word shame associated a lot with things like those and i i feel like that would apply but it doesn't feel like the right word like it feels more just lake. I wanna just shelter myself solve and i want to just coon. I think i also just don't like that word like. I think that there is something thank shame shame like it's like i don't know so. I think that's going to be an important one for us to sort out. Actually 'cause feelings aren't good or bad ray somewhere another word though bristle at the word shame i always have there's no room for shame. It sounds to me like if you have shame you have something to feel shameful about with shame come softness and vulnerability and fragility fragility so you'll see these lovely worksheets. These are called a._b._c. sheets. It's the end of the session and a._b._c. See as the new skill. I'm supposed to fill in the column with the activating event in my case the sexual assault be with my belief or stuck point about the event see with the consequence of that belief or stuck point. It's kind of clunky but the idea seems to be to get you to see that you're stuck. Points are not rational and that hanging onto these irrational stuff points has real emotional consequences that continuing ended. Tell yourself this stuff as fact makes you feel bad last thoughts questions. How did this work for you tonight. <hes> could it was intense. I mean i was laying those definitely. I feel weirdly better her because i feel like we've started started. I'm gonna make a copy of the impact statements. Okay got that all right. Thanks karen tubes foods done session three so this is hard for me to answer is the unwanted. I'm sitting with dr cason going over the checklist of p._t._s._d. Symptoms did i have memories about the assault. Was i dreaming about it. Reliving it to feel like surrealism at all <hes> we finish the checklist and take out the worksheets done seven the night before because i'm doing a crash course in c._p._t. Each session each day covers a week's worth of treatment. It feels like i'm cramming. The doctor cason tells me she has patients who are still doing worksheets in the waiting room before sessions. That makes me feel a little better. We pick up with the stuck point. We started on yesterday. If i hadn't said hi he wouldn't have assaulted. Had you interacted with sky beforehand. It had been several several weeks probably saying hi okay and did anything happen on those other days where you said hi no doctor cason then has clearly heard similar stuck points if she pokes holes in my logic until it's obvious that there's another way to see it. Could he have assaulted you. If you had never said hi guess the likelihood that that was causes very small to now when we were little girl right right the little girl going school but still i wouldn't have said i was a little girl like i felt like i was someone who was able all to operate in the world and have conversations and interactions with adults and have responsibility an associate the words little girl with a kind of unformed helpless pink thing covered and raffles. I didn't relate at thirteen. I was babysitting. I had crushes crushes them fantasies. I happily went to the movies or by myself. Were we move onto another one of the stuck points which was covering something i i hadn't thought about for a long time what i was wearing on the day of the assault skirt or something i wore floral boxers from the gap and a matching solid colored t. shirt well doing the worksheets this morning. I realized that some part of me still thought the assault was my fault for wearing men's boxer shorts. When i tell dr dr case in about this i mean i i liked thinking about what i was wearing in trying to wear cute things and she assumes that there was some kind of sexiness genus attached to the outfit for me but that wasn't a i didn't wear sexy like i have never really worn makeup bird gut at that kind of thing. That's just like not my about your thing yeah okay. The outfit wasn't sexy. You these were baggy clothes that masked my body but even as the assault was happening. I remember standing there and thinking it was somehow because the boxers i remember being very like associating the exact outfit exactly with what was happening. I remember remember that it was because it was elastic waistband that seemed like it was like there was more access to me or that like there was something about article of clothing and the choice of the fell like that may be in some way caused it even if it wasn't the sexy factor right okay <hes> so it might not be the sexy factor but it might be an access fact or like an appropriate like maybe an appropriate area clothing interesting okay all right. I remember picking out the outfit the gap and i remember putting it in the giveaway pile months later and being asked wia iowa giving it away since it looked brand now by the end of the work she my thinking chefs. I articulate my new thought about the boxers. There's a more balanced thought dr casing calls. It came up with us really lovely balanced thought which is it doesn't matter what you wear. How much do you believe that <hes>. I believe that i think it can happen to anyone. I mean i. I think it's it has nothing to do with what you're wearing. I think i'm starting to understand dr caissons technique with these stuck points. She asks this question so i can arrive at answers myself. My previous belief shifts because i've concluded that it's inaccurate. She's my guide but i have to come to the conclusion myself myself so when you have that thought lead matter what i wear what happens to that feeling of shame shifts to helplessness in some ways <hes> interesting so if it's what i wear if i change what i wear i can be safe right. It doesn't matter then there's nothing i can do if someone wants to sexually assault you. I think there's very little you can do at the end of the session. Dr case introduces the skull all right some of the teachers something new okay binding finding evidence for whether you're stuck point. It's true she hands me. Something called the challenging questions worksheet. The questions are like the ones she asked me during the session like am i looking at this an exaggerated way. Am i looking at the whole picture may basing things on facts or feelings. Okay okay my homework tonight is did you seven more works all right. I'm gonna go make you a bunch of copies. Okay and i'm gonna stop <music> <music> session for so first of all. How was your mood you know. I don't know how people live in seattle. It's very gray and rainy like all morning saying. I really wanted to take a walk. I'm not used to the gray damp fog of seattle. I understand the munis of twin peaks better and why cardigans were so oh essential for kurt cobaine. It doesn't help that the majority of my time spent alone hold up making spaghetti and doing homework piles hails on piles of homework. How is the practice. It was harder than the other campus. I think it's also just so used to knowing knowing what therapy is of religiously. It's super different is super different <hes> and so. I guess i feel a straight a student. <hes> in english is taking a chemistry class at lake. I'm in someone else's clothes and they they aren't quite different. Major right now yeah i take out the worksheet and we loop back to my stuck point about the boxers. I wondered if it would have been harder for him to assault me if i was wearing jeans and and from what you know about protraction <hes> more difficult. Does that mean not possible. No it's still possible more than he had a knife right. Yeah yeah and we're going to be working on a skill tomorrow. <hes> secure like you're having some strong feelings as mark on this. What's coming up for you right now. Stay with it. I think just thinking about the nave always makes me really yeah so i want you to not turn shut. The emotions russians town. Okay walk me through how it unfolded it. I was walking to school. All i walked past the alley. I'm not used to speaking out loud about what happened but i knew that at some point it would come up. It would all come up the details how i felt what exactly happened in that moment and what exactly changed. We're nearing the end of our first week together and i feel like dr cason on purpose or or not has waited until we both felt comfortable. There was trust skills of c._p._t. Had been discussed and then this the story. Eh the main reason i was here in this room in the city. It was time for it to come out. He was kind of in the slake kind of cove. I guess behind bush. We lived in a very middle class. Area in west. Los angeles are permanent was near two big streets santa santa monica boulevard and beverly glen there are office buildings nearby and a big mall with a massive food court. My mom's greatest fear in life was that our landlord mm-hmm lord would sell the duplex forcing us to leave. It was a place where i knew most of our neighbors. There were always people hanging out in front of their houses are are across the street. Neighbors were mechanics with a pit bull named bumper wasn't it was a tree line sunkissed america dream neighborhood the morning i walked past an alley between an office building in an apartment building and the guy was there and he kinda he like like i smiled waved than he beckoned me over. I didn't know why and then i walked over and <hes> he held a knife to mice is and the need he put his hands down my box earth's and felt my vagina at and then i think i said something about like protests dying and and he said my father owed him money <unk> as you don't. There's no way that true in many kept saying <unk> end put his mouth on my vagina and then right like i scream but it was a scream kind of a vogel particular it wasn't particularly loud and then he ran up the alley the other way. I wish the word vagina didn't feel so clinical it was more than that it was like he found a way into my personal sexuality like a portal into parts of me. I hadn't explored or known because i was so young eighth grade before it happened. I would dream about having a first kiss and then after it happened spend. I thought i'd never be able to like i'd never be able to experience romantic interactions or understand them. Sex sexual bodies bodies that shit is hard enough for thirteen year old and so in that moment where he had a knife up to you. What did you think was going to happen to you. Remember no idea. I didn't know you were just super scared. I think part of the reason that i haven't don't with a lot of it is like the outcome wasn't anything no. I've heard this before from other people. Who've been assault is the outcome wasn't like dat at-bat i wasn't it wasn't like even cut like nothing was physically wrong. Nothing was like particularly damage. I guess except for like psychologically everything was so it's in some ways i think even harder because is i felt like it wasn't so bad or i was supposed to think it wasn't so bad. I'm hearing a stuck point around. I shouldn't be distressed spurlock. This wasn't there's almost a a little bit of a minimizing kind of stuck point yeah. What how would you put it more with the belief be around ah the because i wasn't raped her. Because i wasn't cut. I shouldn't have re. I shouldn't have these reactions. I'm not sure exactly what extent point is. I think because it wasn't worse because it wasn't worse. I should be functioning better. I add this to the stuck point log. My experience by the way was an outlier in that. I was assaulted by a stranger sexual. L. assault is usually perpetrated by an acquaintance or family member. Only seven percent of juvenile victims who report sexual assault or assaulted by strangers at the end of the session dr cason introduces the new scale patterns of problematic thinking which include things like mind reading an emotional schnell reasoning an exaggerating or minimizing. I'm put off by the language. It's oddly formal. I came in thinking c._p._t. A p._t. was supposed to be accessible but it's hard to get a handle on. They use real english words but not in the dictionary definition way. I feel guilty. The phrases have a separate c._p._t. Meaning do these make sense for the most part for you kind of cat one. Where do you have questions. I guess what are we doing this for so dr case and explains that this is part of a process we are in the process of learning that it will will make sense but i don't see how it's adding up yet. It's just painful and hard but i'm gonna make you another copy of the actual parents form. Okay cool it session five. They have made it to friday of my first week. It feels like a small victory. I'm thinking of the assault constantly. I'm staying in gentrified <unk> fight industrial neighborhood of ballard. It's quiet. There are lots of car repair and tire shops and warehouses inexpensive microbreweries crossing the street. I'm reminded of the alley locking the doors at night to the airbnb. I worry about security. I don't know anyone around me and they. I feel alone. I don't wanna take risks. I don't want to explore seattle. I won't go for a run taking too many risks or doing things that could cause you harm their own. Super alert watched alert on guard to today the day after the p._t._s._d. Checklist dr cason reveals the worksheet that all the worksheets were leading up to this whole time it has many boxes and tables and questions twenty-six all it's the mother of all worksheets it includes all the things i've learned on the worksheets till now it's intimidating aiding and complicated but dr case them reminds me that i know how to do each step. She says now that i have all the skills i needed to do c._p._t. <music> the therapy will shift but what we're going to be doing from this session on out. We're gonna start working the different themes <hes> the first one we're going to focus in on his around safety safety. Okay okay so how this event may have affected great ideas about safety. We practice a couple stuck points on the big mama worksheet. One of them is about how i'm feeling uncomfortable. In seattle. I mentioned that the dodgers are playing in the world series and i'm hesitant to walk the few blocks to the bar at the end of my street but i really want to watch the game. Dr cason says that i should consider trying to go to the bar to watch the game that it's actually i'm not risky behavior and other. She's not a big baseball fan so i almost feel like the assignment is for both of us so i'm gonna. I'm gonna ask you on monday with you. Saw the glenn to it. Yes all right so in terms of an. I'll ask you if you know what the score was. Oh oh action to actually. I hate to tell you this but i'm really treatment resistant. It sounds like a stuck point could be stuck point. We could get through the baseball stuck together. We'll set it is a long term treatment wrinkle all right so in terms of as hard as this week has been. It helps today trust actor casey. She's a good guide <music>. Jimmy coming up if you something important about yourself from a worksheet. Is it okay to feel resentful that you wanted from a worksheet. That's in a minute from gog radio when our program continues support for this american life comes from indeed the next time you're hiring indeed could help get you to your shortlist of candidates fast. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates and when you need to accelerate your results this american life listeners can try indeed sponsored answered jobs for free visit indeed dot com slash american terms conditions and quality standards apply tis american life mara the glass today's program ten sessions. What can you do with trauma from long ago. There's never healed just tuning in writer. Jamie glow heard about a kind of therapy called c._p._t. C._p._t. Cognitive processing therapy that helps people deal with unhealed trauma from sexual assault or combat p._d. Incredibly in just ten or twelve oh sessions trade herself we pick up halfway through therapy sessions six all right so so in general since i left on friday. Has your mood been. It's monday and i've self cared my way through the weekend which is another way to say that i went to a handful of vintage clothing stores. I bought a poncho the colors of mardi gras it did not by the t shirt that said rain and coffee and salmon and we'd the the dodgers lost this series but i went to the bar to watch the game and it was fine. It was actually nice all right. So did you want to check levels and then we will dell in yeah. Oh why don't you speak a tiny bit. We check the audio levels. I i still have no idea if i'm doing it right. I tell myself worst case scenario. I won't be able to share the most traumatic moments of my life with millions of people and that seems like an okay outcome. I take out the big mama worksheets. I did over the weekend. Each sheet took a lot longer than i expected. I i think dr case and picks out a worksheet with the stuck point. I can't protect myself rather k. I can't protect myself. Oh good this is a great one to do. Also with you going <unk> out to the bar to yeah really relevant dr case imposes. It seems like she's seeing a stuck point in the stock plan which happens a lot what russian dolls of stuck points let me ask you a question. Also there's another piece here. Are you different now than you were. Then yeah how so an older no more i've learned from that experience <hes> mm reminds me of that song and into the woods musical <hes> the little red riding on yup which is basically all about sexual trauma. There's a song from stephen sondheim's musical into the woods that are used to listen to over and over after the attack the wolf beckons little red riding hood she strays from the path and then she sings he drew me close and he swallowed me down down a dark slimy path where lie secrets that that i never want to know when everything familiar seemed to disappear forever. I mean those lyrics described how i felt in the aftermath math of the assault to a t. that everything familiar seemed to disappear forever. Uh dr cason and i walked through the worksheet. Step by step through all the prompts and questions c._p._t. Relies is on whether there's evidence for my stuck point whether i'm making an all or nothing statement whether i'm jumping to conclusions what i'm leaving out dan i realized that i still feel angry with myself or freezing that. It didn't scream sooner hit him run defend myself and the doctor awesome reminds me that he had a knife if somebody's got a weapon sometimes freezing is the best response in that moment or the only response acknowledging we continue going through it and eventually i reached a more balanced thought good. I did what i could to protect myself from physical harm. Absolutely that's beautiful that you came up with that. The big mama worksheets ask for percentages related to how much feel things and how much you believe certain certain thoughts at the beginning of this worksheet. I believed i can't protect myself seventy percent by the end. I'm in a different a place and so you manage to get that from seventy percent to twenty percent. That's really nice movement around that yeah. I don't fully understand the percentages but i do. I did feel better after working through it. Nice and fear came down anger came down and frustration in camden nice. That's lovely and you've also got some other balanced thoughts in here to like. I can't protect myself most of the time and you can think about how does that feel ever since they can't protect myself at all beautiful job with that suddenly suddenly i'm getting the worksheets. They're still difficult because thinking it's difficult but that night i find that doing them as calming and clear <music> the next day in session seven. I tell dr cason that there's something about the writing that's really key and so when i'm writing it down. I'm just just seeing the event. A subtle shifts are really different when you read it. That's right. I can see the beginning point and then when i see the anna i'm just like <hes>. It's like your forehead slapping. You're just like oh yeah. That starting point was really off like that's not a rational way to think but i love what i'm hearing you say as also you're really seeing some cognitive ships with doing these so it's hard work but you're also seeing some payout game. I think i'm muscle little resentful that it's just coming from a worksheet. I i'm serious like nursing behind because it's like it's like i can't describe it but it's sort of like okay. I think i can describe it. It's i think by in like talk their traditional analysis. It's so individualized allies. It's so cocooned so specified to your relationship with one person in that space in that time and it's it's very much like a special national thing whereas a worksheet it's an equation and so it's more generic which actually leaks way better in a lot of way it also hard because it feels less special rate but also of late ni- this precious thing your special in your problems are special g sting. I like that. The goal of c._p._t. Is to have the tools to be your own therapist several c._p._t. Experts told me their role as clinicians was to put themselves out of business. I'm not sure that's true of talk therapy for me anyway. I don't set an end goal so with c._p._t. I have i know exactly what i want to work on and i'm drilling down on that one thing i'm dealing with the after effects of sexual assault and and i have a list of stuck points to show for it thirty one different sentences written sloppily on a piece of paper like list of groceries. Dr cason asks me if i've crossed any off a cross out avenged. I just didn't think we're stuck points in the first place and then i crossed off some that i felt like we worked through. That's fantastic. If i hadn't said hi he wouldn't have assaulted me down with that. I can't trust my judgment. It crossed off because it wasn't worse. I should be functioning better gone. I've been working so hard to learn the process of c._p._t. Not that it didn't realize how much i'd resolved along the way i leave the session feeling a sense of accomplishment. I love making lists. I i love crossing things off my less. This is starting to feel satisfying <music> <music>. You check my level yeah. It's session eight and dr cason. I r- making levels jokes. I'll check the level of for volume and she'll check the levels of p._t._s._d. Symptoms since yesterday how much distressed repeat it disturbing an unwanted memories of the dramatic back to one probably one doctor keesa deniers starting to get into a nice comfortable with them and of course there's only three sessions left including this one. It's halloween and she's got on themed earrings and spiderweb tights in another setting. I might find this kind end of ridiculous but i know her enough to know it's genuine and wonderful and i feel sad. I'm not dressed up to we go through my big mama worksheets. It's just as dr case and said we would. We've been using the big worksheets to explore big themes. We've gone through safety and esteem. Today's control and one of my stuck points is when i'm not in control bad things will happen which i believe eighty percent. What happened pendants. Do you have that if you are not in control bad things will happen. <hes> bad things have happened when i haven't been in control so so you could say things in the past <hes> so i'm assuming what the sexual soap events that happen when you're manic okay when dr case asks about mania i pause just sit there for a while. The the nine nod without saying anything controls a big thing for me. It's a big thing in mania. You're not in control but you think you are relaxing. Axeing dr cason and i keep going through the sheet my statement when i'm not in control bad things will happen. Is there evidence that might not be true so bad. Things can happen when i'm in when you are in control yeah absolutely <hes>. Have you ever been out of control and not at something bad happen. Yeah we go over my answers each of the little boxes on the worksheet by the end. I have a new thought giving up control does not always always mean bad things will happen. Beliefs right dr cason asks what feelings come up when i'm thinking about giving up control to be all fears the first one and then there's definitely a lot of guilt and shame yeah so really come around to the shame concept guy. You believe millions bracing. That's true that is true. We're joking but there's something they're stuck points. I'm realizing that for me. Shames related to mental illness after after mania. It's hard not to want to be buried for a decade until everyone forgets that you tried to start a hippie coal and the two covered in glitter and more pain they don't today at the end of this session. Homework is a little different and then. I want you to practice giving one compliment and receiving one compliment. I don't really really speak to people that i know so it would mean you'd have to speak to people give one compliment and see. How do i make someone complement complement me so that's tough because you're in a strange city yeah <hes> so what it's going to mean as a couple of things either. You need to listen listen for compliments. You're getting naturally without filtering them okay or more sometimes if aaron are acting with people then you may be more likely to get compliments apple. That's this is the point of the exercise. Dr cason is preparing me for life post treatment by encouraging me to interact with people she explains. That's social isolation often follows p._t._s._d. <music> <music> session nine all right. Let's dig in to have a practice one of them. Before we go into worksheets. How did the giving and receiving even compliments yesterday when dr casing gave me the compliment assignment. It seemed difficult and silly. It felt like i entered mr rogers land okay and even though i knew he was a good soul i was always a muppets show person gone. I wasn't entirely sure how to conduct compliments as i anticipated disappinted. Giving compliments was pretty easy. I told dr case told me airbnb guy. I liked his record collection and illustrations yeah nice nice to get any compliments i did. It was really funny. Actually i got very a really really really ed compliment to me yeah. <hes> i pause. I'm choking up. Someone wrote me an email stip book about my buck mental. The memorial wrote about being bipolar. The email was from a young woman. Dan who has also bipolar she had to leave college and go home and kind of really shift her plans and she said that she really felt lake. This story that i told hold was something that she had bird read but could really relate to. It was really a powerful we'd. I've been talking in a previous session about my feelings of being a failure of not doing well. My work doctor wants me to remember this email. They can try and remember. It's hard. It's really hard for me to remember the positive responses like to anything yeah and so this free to practice right this is so we're starting to move until life skills. This is one. That's going to be a life skill for you. What am i leaving out. That's been really helpful question for you right. It forces you to get out of that negative space and look for things that don't fit with the stock point. This is the next to last session and they can feel. We're coming to the end the way dr cason jason is talking and the way i'm feeling it just feels close to over and then my last homework assignment is revealed. <hes> i want you to write at least one page on what so you think now about why the traumatic event occurred it makes sense. If one purpose of this therapy is to change the story you're telling yourself it would be a good gauge to write a before and after to see how the narrative chefs the perfect bookends <music> <music> session tat. How was it writing the second impact statement. It was good. They felt like less <hes> fraud like it's the day of my last session and it's like seattle noseda this morning. I rode the ferry inside double rainbow. I walked around bainbridge island with a friend and sauce santen real son through trees and abandoned mel's sun shining against the sound and against graffiti and against soaring seagulls sun reflected on the sign for bernie's automotive motive service that read welcome to the team charlie it all it's shining and miraculous. I could feel the excitement of being done and the pacific northwest fault. I with me in writing. The second impact statement was easier than writing the first one. I didn't feel pent-up emotion spilling over. I didn't feel out of control so i'm going to have you read it to me okay. The attack happened because who knows what had happened and i don't know why he molested me. I don't know what motivated him. I know that it didn't happen because i was there or wearing. Boxers xers or friendly are willing upon myself. I was young and walking to school not looking for sexual assault. That's is pretty improbable. Why would anyone look for that. I think it happened because i just really can't explain why he was in control. He had a knife. I did everything i could protect myself and to get away my feelings. After it happened were natural. My response was as good as it could be. Good is the wrong word but i think i did okay considering all of the circumstances as other people keep going and when i get to the end dr cason send reads back what i wrote after our first session my original impact statement so let me read back to you what you wrote the first time i i was young thirteen and i don't think i knew much about actual human nature friendliness strangers. It's funny to think that i was not cautious about the very thing. Kids are always warned of strangers a walked my bus stop alone every morning. Dr casing keeps reading and they can hear how my story has changed. So what do you here. I think there's a huge shift of focus. Now feels like there's just a different way of seeing like that. Attacked us doesn't feel as potent. I think that's what i heard too and and also really an acceptance that you may never know invite. You probably will never know exactly why it happened. Be could be really confident. That didn't have anything to do with view right which is something that i do think intellectually understood. It wasn't something i accepted. I don't think and i think the in the difference between the first statement elast there was acceptance acceptance that it wasn't me that it wasn't my fault. Doc dr hans me of print out of the p._t._s._d. Check ends that we did the beginning of each session by the end. My number has dropped from the initial total by about twelve points. She says ten points indicates meaningful change. The number doesn't mean that much to me but i do feel better. I know that she wonders how i feel about the therapy overall. What did you notice in the process. What was helpful for you. What was not helpful. How have you seen chefs plugged up. Only seeing working through all of this stuff about the salt was incredibly helpful because i felt like like there was a lot of unresolved assumptions that i didn't really recognize where there and and that frankly kind of a relief to. I really haven't that. They're as much they just kind of feels. Better her the process of c._p._t. Surprised me its effectiveness surprised me could see in just those two statements how the ten and sessions in between shifted my thinking this is like ninja therapy. They distract you with the weird language and then progress creeps up on you from behind as always dr cason is huckabee'll gracious warm. I'm going to miss her. I'm sad to we've even though i know it's time and i know i can. That's it. That's all right. It's been ten months since i did see. I still have my folder stuffed with more than one hundred worksheets. The spine is reinforced with neon orange duct tape because the folder is falling apart but i'm not i feel like i did in fact get something. I wanted out of this more than what i expected. I don't feel hopeless and incapacitated acetate it. When i hear about other assaults the news doesn't dictate my emotional state in the same way when jeffrey epstein was found dead. I was i angry on behalf of his victims. I shouted a few expletives and through my phone on the ground but it could still function and really. That's a very very rational reaction before c._p._t. I had a lot of anxiety and overwhelming feelings. I was experiencing p._t._s._d. Symptoms soms which i didn't even realize i had my suspicions that these intense emotions were related to the assault but it was never named for me now. My symptoms are mostly gone and when problems come up. I can work them through my head or i pull out a blank worksheet. There's a surge of women seeking help right now. A national sexual assault hotline saw two hundred percent increase over normal volume after the cavenaugh hearing there was a twenty percent increase in calls after the are kelly doc aired after the sentencing hearing of larry nassar calls to the same hotline increased by forty six percent of course so many survivors of sexual assault. Don't get any treatment at all not talk therapy not c._p._t. You nothing when i started c._p._t. It was hard to say had been sexually assaulted out loud. I think i carry it a lot of shame the word i was most offended by but now i can say and i can say it without crying. I was sexually assaulted. When i was thirteen jamie hello she's the author of a memoir called mental in a month since she saw that deborah case in that case in his move from the university of washington to stanford <hes> <hes> spend the rest of monday's on happy. 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Sponsored: The Power of Mentorship with Chefs Gavin Kaysen & Chris Nye

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Sponsored: The Power of Mentorship with Chefs Gavin Kaysen & Chris Nye

"Hey they listeners. It's Amira from studios now. I know that the voice you usually hear on culture gap vest but today. We're giving you something a little different. An episode from the relentless a series produced by slate studios and century twenty one real estate. It's a podcast about looking at success differently. I'm excited to tell you about this episode that you're about to hear it's all about mentorship and features a pair of elite chefs. Who met each other while working the line at Cafe Glued Gavin Cason and Chris Ni- whether it's in the kitchen or beyond Gavin? Chris have great advice when it comes to mentorship from both the mentor and Manatee perspective. If you like what you hear you can download and subscribe to the relentless on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen hope you enjoy it? This paid podcast is produced by slate studios and century. Twenty one real estate all uses of trademarks or brands are not meant to convey sponsorship or affiliation of this podcast from sleep studios and century. Twenty one real estate. This is the relentless a podcast about looking at sales differently. What if what if I thought outside the book if it was more of a celebration with our clients then work in every episode pulling back the curtain with thought leaders across industries and talking about how they embrace change overcome hurdles and stay relentless. I'm Dr Julie Gardner. I've spent over a decade studying the behaviors of the altar successful and have used those insights to empower business leaders in finance technology and real estate on today's show we're talking about the power of mentorship. A mentor can be the guide who jumpstart your ambition. Sharpens your focus and nudges you to face your fears and take leaps and a can offer an industry veteran surprising and fresh perspectives. We wonder just how these relationships begin how they develop and what each side gets out of it so we invited a fascinating duo for today's conversation. Hey this is Chris Gavin the chef restaurant tour Gavin Cason and chef Chris. Ni- Gavin case is a two time James Beard Award winning chef in Minneapolis. He owns and operates the restaurants spoon and stable Demi and bellcore back when he was starting out in New York. City Gavin worked under world renowned Chef Danielle glued and spent seven years as balloons executive chef and director of culinary operations. At first. I think what I was seeking was the opportunity to work for him and I knew I could learn a lot. What I ended up gaining was a friend and a mentor for life and Gavin continued. That tradition of mentorship with Chris. Ni- they met at cafe balloon where Chris was working the line wherever he won at the restaurants knew that there was going to be a new chef. No one knew who it was. Someone found out everyone instantly knew everyone jumped on their phone to look up who it was so once I found out he was from BLOOMINGTON MINNESOTA. I was really excited. Chris you know sort of made the immediate connection when I walked into the kitchen That we were both from Minneapolis. I'm not sure I really cared so much. At the time I had to. What's going on? I knew in my gut that with Gavin coming through. I knew I would connect with him. Maybe in a way that could eventually be beneficial later. My career a few years ago. They both returned to the twin cities to reconnect with their roots. And bring back home with. They had learned from. New York's fine dining scene. Chris is now the executive chef of Swan Yay hospitality. Gavin's restaurant group. It's one thing to get a new supervisor. It's another to see that top chef as your mentor. So I asked Chris about when he first looked Gavin for mentorship. I didn't really honestly know what a mentor was in the kitchen environments. I never really had what I felt was a mentor. Definitely in the restaurant industry bosses but no one really cared as much or more about me than they did about themselves. I think really. That's what it's all about is putting the ego aside and doing something that really truly is hundred percent for if the person under you. I was definitely searching for it you know. I said I didn't know what it meant but I. There is something inside of me that that knew that. If I stuck around I could have that. So Gavin. The apprentice model seems to be in use in the restaurant world a lot. How is mentorship different from apprenticeship? Well I think mentorship goes deeper than just within the craft of what you're doing I think the apprenticeship model that I've seen that I've worked through myself is really a model that you go to your different chefs and you you effectively gain your classical training or the training in which you're seeking through that chef and then they sort of move you to a different chef and you kind of move around with their advice you know whereas mentor ship is is something that becomes a little bit more deeply personal and it's a relationship in working at that relationship constantly both parties it allows a little bit more vulnerability through the process of trying to figure out what's next for you and your life and sometimes it takes experiences and and time to reflect to look back on that and say yeah that that was definitely an experience that I needed and that was a mentor that needed I mean. Danielle balloon is my mentor and has been since I started working Cafe Balloon. Thomas Keller is one of my mentors and has been since we created the Mentor Foundation in two thousand eight and I've gotten to know both of those gentlemen on a different level on a very personal level but I know they're all I know that they're both a phone call away if I ever need anything and that's not just restaurant based and I think that that that that's also what a mentor can do. Is THEY CAN HELP? Guide you through some of those murky waters when you need to get through so it seems like an incredibly personal experience and I'm wondering what the things are that you look for in a person that you're willing to take on in that type of way. I'm not sure how much of a mentor or Menti has an opportunity to choose as much as it's chosen for them you know. I'm not sure that Chris and I started to work together. You know now. Five years ago plus at spoon and stable. I'm not sure that we both went into that restaurant thinking that it would be a mentor mentor relationship. I think it was more like. Hey let's open up this restaurant together. Let's see how it goes and let's see what happens and through time you know we've gained a different friendship in a different relationship out of it as a result and that takes both parties working at it so I think the best relationships at least the mentor relationships are the ones that happened. Organically well to both. Were there early. Missteps you found as you're kind of establishing this relationship and finding your footing go out of its communication. Yeah I there were a lot of times when we were going through the it spoon and it was just the two of us in the office and the biggest thing for us which solidified it was just going through that hardship of the opening in going through all of the battles in all of the staffing issues. All of the purveyor issues all of the challenges that are presented when you have forty guests waiting outside in the middle of November in Minnesota just wanting to get in to see the space and eat the food and try the beverages going through that that challenge in. That battle was really a moment for us where we had to lean on each other in. Look at each other and be a K. Can you help me or can I help you? How can I do that Just knowing that we were there for each other I think if we didn't go through that We wouldn't have the relationship that we have. Now you know I. I think that we were vulnerable. And we were able to trust each other in that vulnerability and I thought that's really kind of something we share even to this day. Sometimes I have two young children and Gavin has two kids as well. They're they're older than mine but he gave me a lot of advice about being new parents and and I think if we didn't go through that struggle. I wouldn't be comfortable kind of asking. You Know How do I? How do I manage kids At the same time you know so and the restaurants and everything you know I mean. I'm I'm as comfortable as ever to go to Chris. Anytime and say you know. Hey what do you think of this? Even if even if my idea is totally often wrong I'm happy to ask. I'm happy to send it to him and see what he thinks. Eh. He'll tell me if it's often wrong and I think that that's another part of it is that I'm not ever ashamed or embarrassed to offer thoughts advice or ideas in the idea of of being egotistical of the fact that I'm the mentor that simply the wrong way to to look at it in fact you know again as much education through the process. He does probably all right. So if we talk about the two way street of mentorship Gavin. What's one surprising thing you really learn from Chris early on even though he had a lot less experience at that point than you had? I think the biggest thing that I've that I learned especially when we opened up spoon was just his his commitment and his dedication not that I ever questioned it but when you open your own business you often think that maybe you are the most committed and the most dedicated and what I found quickly was. I found a partner Chris when we opened the restaurant actually will never forget the day. We opened up the restaurant. We were so busy we were running around. And we're prepping. And it was basically he and I sat in up the whole kitchen. And then all of a sudden the doors opening he just looks at me and grabbed my hand and gives me a Hug. And here we go you know and it was a really pivotal moment from. It was a really important moment for me to sort of stop and just give me thirty seconds to like reflect on what it was that we were doing and it was opening up a restaurant but it was opening up something that I had thought about for years and years and years and to have somebody next to you that looks at that in a selfless way and says I'm here for you. I'm here to help. I'm here to guide. This team was you. It was a really wonderful moment. Well it seems like the level of commitment. There was really valuable to you especially in that moment and Chris. What's something that you learned early on? That seemed to be a real game changer. For you governs a big picture guy. I am not so that is really kind of helped me lay tracks in my life in in my career. That's really the biggest thing for me. He's helped guide what I do on a daily basis and not just for the quick results on this kind of the long term gain and helped me be a leader to my staff using that tool and helping to relay that message to them and I've never really thought about mentorship in this industry until started working forgotten and now finding myself mentoring those under me has really kind of taken my passion for this industry and create a whole new area for me to be passionate about you know. It's not just about the food it's not just about what's on the plate. You can help. Create great lives in long lasting careers for the next generation and improve your community and improve the food system in your city and helping them to see the big picture that I'm here to make you better and the whole team better in the restaurant. Better as a whole. What's crazy about Chris's answer to is that? If you would've asked same question five years ago totally different answer you know He's it's just. It's remarkable to sort of see here and watch him on a daily basis mentor the team. Because it's it's really. He's changed as a person Not just as a chef and when you when you see that and you have somebody that that. That's looking at things in the light that he's discussed in that answer. You build a better kitchen and a better system and a better company as a result sue Chris you know if you feel comfortable sharing it sounds like you had a really pivotal moment a while back. It wasn't like an epiphany something that happened overnight but I started to understand how to take my emotions and analyze them rather than act on them before. I think it was taking things very personally. And it made me feel terrible. I couldn't sleep. I went home angry and I realized that all of these emotions are affecting my life outside of work and what I realized is that it was really just the way I was taking things and I decided that I need to change the way that I'm being affected it. It's not worth. It realized that when I stopped seeming angry to everyone still getting but not definitely not as often Not over the small stuff but I realized that the way that people responded was much more positive and I saw change and I saw better results and I saw people grow Esau Meyer relationships with improve with other people because the atmosphere had changed it become more positive more educational. More supportive and more accepting. Can you give me a specific example of kind of a story or illustration of this shift for you and you know how that played out? Yeah so the life is a chef. Is Very stressful. You know right right at five o'clock the doors open every day you have to be on So you have to have a good amount of control but the thing that you can't control directly is the performance of someone else so it can really affect the service If you don't allow people to fail so as a chef during the service you need to be very present for everyone. So I think communicating to me was was a really big thing to be able to manage effectively instead of going over and yelling at the cook for using wilted Garnish I can just head over. And say hey. Can you fix this? This looks better? Please use the best thing that's on your station and that's it The emotions weren't involved. They weren't affecting my thought process. They weren't affecting My communication they weren't affecting their approachability to me from the staff So I think that that was the biggest thing for me that that helps change the way I manage people. Yeah I mean not taking things personally is certainly a cultivated skill and it's something that requires a lot of discipline and self restraint and ability to take back and and look at things objectively SA- Gavin. Can you tell me in the context of looking at how you impact others? How do you navigate hard conversations of things that are not going well honestly? It's usually a very honest conversation. It's pretty candid. There's not much beating around the Bush to it. It's just like this isn't right. This isn't good. We gotta fix that. This is not happening. But you know it's hard to navigate those conversations when you don't have somebody who's fully involved are fully willing to hear what you're having to say and I think that's the other thing too is that you know to get somebody who's truly amid tournaments he relationship both of you have to be willing to hear what is going to be said on both sides of the aisle you cannot give all of it and then expect nothing to come back and there's gotta be pushed back to and you know that's something that I I know personally for myself. I work on it all the time. Because you know my knee jerk reaction to say no. No let's do like this as Sei Wanat. But that's very rarely always the right answer. After a quick break we'll hear more about Gavin's relationship with his own mental Danielle Lewd Listeners. Here at the relentless. We're in the midst of planning our season finale when it comes to the close. It's not just about that. Ultimate end point in deal it's about making it an extraordinary experience along the way for real estate agents. There are over a hundred steps to getting to the close. The ups and downs of that journey are exhilarating. We want your questions. What specific questions do you have around the closing experience? We'd really like to hear from you. So send us a message. Our email address is century. Twenty one pod at slate dot com or tweet your question with the Hashtag Century Twenty One pod and we made use your question in our upcoming episode. We're back with Gavin Cason and Chris Ni- so Gavin kind of going back in your been your own career you'd reference that you have really kind of Rockstar mentor in Danielle and for listeners. Who may not know who that is? Can you tell us a little bit about him? Sure so Daniel. Ballooned is a is a chef in restaurants who are in New York City. He knows about. I think fourteen restaurants around the world now he had five when I first started to work for him. We opened up many restaurants with his company. He's one of the most well known restaurant tours in the world and chefs in the world in his lineage. For me is really remarkable. I mean he you know he trained with Paul Baku's who is the pope of of our cooking era and Danielle has trained countless people. He has this book called letters to a young chef which I read when I was living in San Diego. As a young chef was ten year anniversary to that book. He asked to rewrite the book and in rewriting he asked five or six of his men ts to write a chapter one was undisciplined. And you know ones on taste. Everyone has a different chapter and he. He gave me the honor to write the portion about discipline. I remember writing in than reading it back and thinking about unseen in print and just being like you know what a full circle moment. That is right. You know where ten years prior I read this book and was inspired to seek out this person to work for and then ten years later. I'm now writing a portion of this book with him. Yes absolutely incredible. So what would you say is the most important lesson that you really took away from your mentorship? Honestly there's so many lessons I think. Probably his attention to detail is remarkable. He could walk into any kitchen any restaurant. And if there is dust in the corner if the speaker is a little bit too loud than one side of the dining room or if the lighting is a little bit off he knows it doesn't matter he could be in there for thirty seconds and gets out. It's a little bit too warm in here. We need to turn the heat down. And I've picked up on that. I'm whether or not I've picked up on that. I can be out of the restaurants for three days and come back and look somewhere until dusk that speaker I'm doing that now. The that's what Christos now. He's you know it's just you pick up on it. The other thing too that I think I picked up on him. A lot of is is just the genuine Karen Hospitality for the guest for your team. Are there any mistakes that you look back on and said you made as Amenity if you're honest with your own journey? Oh yeah absolutely. You know my biggest mistake that I made. When I first started to work for him was thinking that I could do it on my own and thinking that I didn't need all of the resources that he had mainly because I didn't know what was there but it was my mistake for not asking and so we lost a big group of cooks and Danielle came to help me do service one night and you know we had a pretty honest conversation about that and he says you know you. Just call me if you need me to work. The Meat Station. I'll work the MEAT STATION. To expedite all expedite. And he wasn't kidding. It's when I really realized okay. This is somebody who I can rely on somebody who has my back. I just never really been in that situation before. One of the most important things I learned with Danielle is that I was never afraid to fail with him. I knew if I fail. I had a safety net below me. I knew it knew no matter how hard I fell somebody was there that was going to catch me and I think Chris has felt that with us at Swansea hospitality companies that if he fails it's okay. There's people that are there to catch him and that failure is is important part of growth. I think as a mentally if you're not allowed to fail you have a sense that maybe your mentor doesn't trust you. I think that that's really important that that sense of trust. I feel that I have ownership. The restaurant is very much a part of me and I think that governs really good about preaching that you know like run. The business like it was your own. Yeah and Chris do you see any parallels with your own experiences? I mean that that's what it's all about as being there for each other. I mean I don't take some texts back faster than he does. You know he's always there for me no matter what time of the night and I do my best to be the same for him. He talks about Danielle being like his his family. How he was raised will Gavin. Has a mentor is how he was mentored. What's interesting is it seems as though mentorship done right creates legacy absolutely. Oh yeah one hundred percent. I mean that's that's exactly what it does and I don't think there's a mentor out. There that goes into it thinking that that's what they want out of it up but I think ultimately it does end up happening that way. Isn't that kind of what it's about though is creating a legacy that we can share. Yeah Yen creation and sharing that knowledge. You know I mean holding onto that knowledge is just. It's not it's not fair. It's not fair to you. It's not fair to all the people I work with you and for you and I'm I'm part of an organization called Mentor in our task and why we created the foundation was to do this to mentor young professionals around our country and to give them an opportunity to travel around the world and work in kitchens that they would otherwise never be able to work in and we grant them money to do so. I mean our our organizations giveaway over a million and a half dollars just to that initiative alone in the last couple of years and Chris. What is tip that you might have of what someone should look for in a mentor? A think it's someone who's present you know someone who takes the time out of their schedule or her sacrifices for you I think that Kevin's always been really good about that. If to be present I think Chris touches on something that's so relevant in our business too which is every day at five o'clock our doors open so there's hundreds of people who take care of on a nightly basis and sometimes more than that if we can take care of two hundred and fifty people in one restaurant a night but you can't make time thirty minutes to sit down with that cook at the end of the service to guide them and mentor them to be better the next day. What the hell are we doing? That is really one of our main goals which is yes. Take care of the guest one hundred percent but at the end of the night. Sit Down and take care of each other. Don't go often blow steam and have six whiskies sit down and talk about service and what that means and have the hard conversations have the hard conversations and like Chris said be be honest and be open and make time and listen all of those things. That's that's really really important. So here's a question about mentorship from one of our listeners. Other than just I need help. What kind of questions could you as a men t come to your mentor with a lot of what I've learned from Gavin hasn't always came from conversation so I I think taking everything in watching listening really helps me in our relationship. 'cause Houston's doesn't always have time to sit down and have conversations so I watch how he leads people and then I try to use those tools that I learned by observing gavin any thoughts. I agree I mean I I also believe that you know going to a mentor and saying you know this is what I need help with as the mentor. Sometimes the answer is to actually walk through the question with them right and sort of walk through all those scenarios and let them break it down and sort of show them and guide them away to break that process down so that way. When you're done breaking the process down they kinda look at you and they say I have the answer and you actually have given them the answer. That's also part of the process. You want them to be able to walk away and say I figured out this answer on my own now. The next time this happens I sort of know what I need to do to break this down to to to make a decision. That's great so you're not just answering a question but you're kind of teaching them how to solve not just that problem but think about future problems you have to. I mean that's one of the most important parts of being a mentor. When you look at like the structure of someone says look I'm trying to learn. How would you instruct them to kind of look at the nuts and bolts of it? Is there a formal structured? You have regular check ins or is it something. That's relatively unstructured. I think everybody's a little bit different. I mean some people have regular check ins with us and with me and you know some. It's a little bit less that way but you know at the end of the day it. It is a constant relationship in that communication is really really vital. So who drives the conversation Is it a top down thing I mean? How would you describe it often? It's just an idea and then it goes from there. You know Enviro relationship still my boss you know so. I have to say yes more often than I say no Obviously but I think there's there's equal respect and I think that that's really important in the relationship. I don't think that someone shows dominance over over the other you know. I don't think that that's what a mentor is. Now what I love about. What you both are discussing is that sometimes when people see it from the outside it appears very hierarchical It seems like there is someone who's definitely you know the leader in that and that may be true to some extent but it seems as though you're egos are really kind of pulled out of it and there is that kind of openness invulnerability where people are to chat very freely. And that's what makes it work to some extent. I think so and I think you know sometimes you have a mentality that needs to have the hierarchy of needs to have the discipline a different way and you know as the mentor. You have to be able to read that relationship. It doesn't mean that you're always going to read it perfectly or correctly all the time but you know you need to read the relationship and say you know. This person is struggling right now and they need a weekly check in. And so you do that. Weekly check in. I have somebody who who I consider it. A mentor of mine. Who we do weekly check INS and it's and it helps the process because it just it doesn't bottle anything UP AND AGAIN. I mean I think it just really depends on who the person how he can help. What advice do you have for someone? Who's seeking a mentor? That might not be in their direct network like in their sphere of influence my biggest recommendation and piece of advice for somebody who's looking to find a mentor. That's outside of their sphere. Is to really be thoughtful about who you choose and be a little bit selfish and who you choose for that too. Because it's it's somebody who needs to give you a little bit more time than they would if they were in your sphere every single day and you'll have to give them more time so whoever that is an an however that breaks down just know that it's GonNa take a little bit more of an effort and as a result. Hopefully you get a better result. And so how do people approach you? How does that happen sometimes? It happens through letters and emails. More commonly because of social media happens through messages via social media. Which I don't I don't always answer because I don't have time but I've had people come to us in. I mean right like really really thoughtful letters and you can't help but just be inspired by them and and inspired to to talk to them and sometimes it's a one off conversation that's all they needed. Sometimes it's a little bit more than that. I think. What's kind of inspirational as well as that you know? People are still reachable. Like if someone can reach you you know via letter Through social media. That's a really hopeful message that people can kind of connect in ways that maybe they never thought possible. You know when I got my job at the NFL. I wrote him a letter. I wrote him a one page letter. That said I would come and work at his restaurant for one week for free to learn and then I would go back to the restaurant. I was working at San Diego. That's single decision that I made to write that one. Mutter was the most impactful decision of my life. No question about it in my career because that led to a relationship a friendship with Danielle it led to he and I discussing at length for years of what could ever happen and when I resigned and moved back home. He sent me that letter in the mail that he had saved that I had written eight years ago and in the top right corner and had an asterix and it said Cynthia who was our. Hr Director at the time. Please hold onto letter. Could be future chef for us. Wow what an incredible story yup one letter so you know if if you do anything it's like just try. Don't give me the excuse that you didn't try. Don't tell me you didn't try to reach out to that person if you tried. And they didn't and they didn't respond and they didn't reach out back. Okay then that's the way it is doesn't mean you can't try again. It's such a great message because I can see it how it might apply see across any profession right. I mean if someone wanted to mentorship or mentor in Entrepreneurship. Or you know. In sales or in real estate that may be reaching out is a strategy that that really can bring more results than they might anticipate. Absolutely so Chris Gavin. How do you each define relentless? It's a good question. I mean for me to be relentless is somebody that is also. You know. Highly disciplined emotional. You know somebody that looks at every opportunity and I really look at it as an attitude more than anything else Chris. Relentless for me is someone that doesn't cut a corner or pass up an opportunity. I think. Just consistent every day and unwavering is really what Relentless means to me. So what's next for each of you tonight? We're going to cook dinner. Fifty two hundred fifty people. Well best of luck in your cooking tonight. It was such a pleasure having you both Gavin. Chris just wonderful talking with you and thank you for being so open and sharing so much of your knowledge with us. Today thank you. It was a blast to be here. How the relentless is produced by Sleet Studios and century? Twenty one real estate. I'm Dr Julie Gerner. Thanks so much for listening and please join US next time. Copyright Century Twenty one real estate. Llc All Rights Reserved Century Twenty one real estate LLC fully supports the principles of the Fair Housing Act and the Equal Opportunity Act. Each office is independently owned and operated. This material may contain suggestions and best practices that you may use at your discretion the opinions expressed in this. Podcast are those of the individuals featured and not necessarily up century. Twenty one real estate.

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How to connect with people through storytelling with podcaster Shannon Cason

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How to connect with people through storytelling with podcaster Shannon Cason

"The Matt Welcome back wannabees in creators to another episode of the complete creative. The podcast that helps you build and sustain a better creative business and today on the show we have Shannon Cason who is a amazing podcasters out of Detroit and he is the host of three podcasts homemade stories in good company and the trouble I met Shannon at podcast evolutions which seems like a running commentary through a lot of these previous episodes are really learned a lot at podcast evolutions and it's becoming more and more valuable every day which is pretty uncommon for show. Most shows lose value over time but this one seems to be gaining value over time. At least when it comes to my podcast. My confidence my setup my audience and really moving this podcast forward in a positive direction. So I wanted to have Shannon on because I met him at a networking event. One night after the show and everybody who came up to him was just gushing about his show homemade stories. And I haven't seen a reaction like that For many people in my life and I really wanted to have him on to talk about how he makes that connection with audiences how he thinks about vulnerability and podcasts at having multiple shows and a whole lot more. Hope you enjoy this one if you are enjoying this show and please head on over to the complete creative dot com. Check out all of our epic blog posts free courses and a whole lot more for instance. You could take a free course on how to build a successful creative business. It is ten days ten emails with the best tips tricks and hacks that I've learned for building a successful business. It's very simple. It's just a little morsel every morning. Distilling ten years of my creative career. And what I've learned to help you build a better creative business today. New can get that at the complete creative dot com forward slash F. B. C. That's the complete creative dot com forward slash F. B. C. That's it for me. Let's go on with the show. Take it away Shannon. Tell us what you're passionate about these days. You know my mind has been on Just people stories like finding out about what they're actually going through during this time recorded and documented in some way and also like myself to be able to document what I'm filling in this time and and get a record it this some way recorded in writing it in writing thoughts and art and villains and then Also doing doing audio on work with this. So that's what I've been working on as well so it's been it's been fun. I mean it's a solitary thing to do so it's a passion of mine so I've been in my my office a lot. well You kind of solitary but also involves a lot of people with some of your shows. I know I've been listening to In good company where you're interviewing different people in in Detroit and that is while you're doing most of it. It's feels like alone. You also have to go out and get interviews from these other people in the one thing no going through were were we live here right now. It's It's a quick break. The ice thing I think is is. I don't know if say a bad word but it's a it's a no bushes time in the world where I can I can talk to people and we get straight to it. And it's more of a honesty to conversations right now because I think of what everybody is experiencing. Which is what I like to get to any way with interviews and with myself as well within the stories that are right for my foam all. Were I definitely want to talk about Storytelling but before we get to their you so the one thing. I've listened a bunch of your shows now and you have such this interesting sort of cadence and rhythm that You it's quite a bit slower than most other shows and I was wondering how you develop that or was it intentional or did it just happen and people responded to it. Well I just always been true of me in a in one of the things in in any kind of thing you fi- if you start working say you a comedian or you a A writer or some you start working on stuff a you. You copy other people in a little while because people impressed by people you might like and then eventually you come back around to yourself to who you are. You're know and that's what the far as might style and and slow delivery in just Almost normalcy of life stories. I think that that's always been there. I remember even in Grade School. They will call me slow motion and it was a lot of different things involved in Ed. How slow spoke or how like lay back. I was in an also a play sports. They would always have mealy if I was if was doing like a cross country. Run or something like that because I was just GonNa stay pace I was. I would really go try to be outrun. Anybody wasn't a competition to be just lay is due to pace. It was see where you know which is due to work. We get we back. And everybody's not as tired as if somebody who wants to show off is Leading Lena crew. So that's just been a thing I've always done and do from from Grade School. I think about it and I follow. I came back to that as a as I wrote and created more and more came back to that one thing that I think of really speaks to the episodes that you do because you. There's this Slow build up to. I don't want to say nothing because it's not nothing but like when I first started listening to the homemade stories. I thought they were going. I was expecting these like big big like life revelatory moments and what. I think you do so well as you take these like slow small moments and you expand on them until you're likely inning in to like the smallest nuance moment and you've kind of figured out a way to use that. The along along gated breath that you have to tell these stories that That that like just every sentence. You're you're leaning in but the the actual Meat of the story is is very simple. And it's just it's like a kind of every day moment that you've that you've built up into this beautiful thing and I really appreciated that about listening to the show. 'cause I I'm not one who does well with the little moments with life making little moments A grand and amazing. And you do that so well. That's a that's an honor to hear that. Yeah thank you thank you it's It is what I'm attracted to as. Well you know. I I like big moments and big things happen but even in the big things to happen or two small things you know. So still gotta take your daughter to school or still gotTa do you know so. Soda Dynamic. So and that's why I wanted like I'm passionate about document and right now because we're in a we're in a worldwide pandemic but then is to pedestrian life. That's happening all all the while you know. And how what? My fear is in what I'm filling in. It's not really like fear of people. Fear death or is just fear of Dang. I know I would be confronted with my mortality right bow. Did I do everything I need? Did I create the stuff I wanted to create? Do two days I wanted to do. You know not to say as deep but at the same time it is we. We've all been touched by this as we live in it so but I I do like I wouldn't if I was to tell that story I wouldn't tack with that story from the COVID nineteen TASR group. Who has to try? You know they're looking for. I wouldn't tack that from that worldwide huge view. I would tackle that story from a daughter and a husband a husband and wife in a small home that they're in in Lincoln Park Michigan. I would I would. I would tell it from that. Point of view rather than the The bigger point of view. So I think you know people have different Our doors that they come into a story from you know and I always liked the more The more everyday life point of view so if he was to tell the story and everything was happening we'll be seeing from is at a small family in a right at home and and you know America. Us say it was such a such precision. Is that how you're tackling it like as you're going about telling these stories about this time? Yeah that's how that's how I'm GONNA look at it like In even with the work that I do with With other other. Pike has worked at. I do I of stay with them my my round because his my round so but I love I love. I like watching big stories as well but I just noted that's not really what I'm drawn to ours in create in but I can watch them like I can watch westworld. I want you know and I like those stories. And and they they package them well to to put them into you know basic basic life too but I I really liked the just normalcy of life stores. One thing that you also do is your very focused. Not just on these small moments but on One City You do so much work in Detroit specifically. Was that something that came about. Just because you grew up in that area or What attracts you to Detroit. Specifically what he tried. I was born and raised in Detroit. We grew up on the northwest side. And then I moved to was small e course which is A city that like a suburb of Detroit. That detroiters will look down on equals was was that city. You know like You from ecores so I grew up in e course and then I moved to southwest Detroit and But I think what happens? Is you in a area and you can. You can really hone in. Get the tone from the area that you're in. I play around if I write fiction and I'll I'll our really some things from other areas like a road a wrote a story on The characters were in Pittsburgh so I just was like reading a lot about Pittsburgh or I wrote a story about somebody in La who lived in a like a neighborhood in La. So I just read a lot about that said I hadn't been there but But as a lot of it is just based on what I can see what I can feel if I don't know what it is. I find. I get a lot of information from Comedians as well so comedians. They'll talk about things that The thing about comedy is like the familiar. You know something super familiar but everybody might not know it so if you watch a black comedian you go walk more into the black world than if you if you just read a book on or something like that you know or just read some articles or some wikipedia pages. The COMEDIAN IS GONNA go into like small details. That you might not know so. I'll listen to Indian comedian to to jump into Indian family or or a you know I Rish Comedian. To kinda get the feel. What is what. Is Boston like listening to Boston? Comedians or so. I listened to like certain things because they gonna like if you listen to Detroit. Comedians DETROIT. Comedians talk about Detroit in a way that you not familiar. But she like that must be something in Detroit and you can kind of go down that rabbit trail so is one of the things of just Knowing this area that's probably why I talk about it mostly but I I like to play around with other areas as well well The general like marketing theory or podcasting theory is be broad and be like. Don't be specific to any one place but I I again. I'm going for my own information of like what I've listened to like. L. is fascinating. It's fascinating to hear about something so specific as Detroit and I just listened to the new episode or the last episode of In good company where you did the got up department store. Hey Moon Hickel bomb. Hegel men the the one more holes hemos. Yes that one. Oh my God I remember something like that in my town. That was just thing. That's cool in that scene. And that's the biggest Honor to like when somebody Aurora late to something that they have no association with directly. And I love that you know I went not tell a story about being a black here growing up in Detroit in Some some white lady in Seattle writes MIA SAYS. This reminds me of my childhood. You know that's huge compliment to me. So I I I love and that's what I I looked to. You know isn't that were pushing for that. But also I do want it to relate I in a way I think you just make it feel so real and I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about About how you make it so like you were talking about down to the specifics of what they Of of like what they carried in their line When they first started tell like today and there was just this those such specificity. I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about how you sort of develop that story and how you take The main interview and break down and just developed that like flow that you have you so within good company. I'm talking to supply cast about Detroit entrepreneurs is looking to inspire Other Entrepreneurship in Detroit and also to To lead people to resources this on the website and good code Detroit Dot Com so That aspect of the of the Pike has is like the the the beautiful store that you can go into and you can get involved into listen to to a person story and then it brings you into this world of Inga Company. So I've covered Iron Working Company A hat maker Somebody who's WHO's doing Detroit t shirts. You know a company that does this the last episode that you talking about his hem halls department store which was a department store that dissolved in the seventies. So as as they went out of business in the seventies but in the seventies in Detroit and before that sixties fifties started in nineteen. So Detroit was booming. You had you had a you had an amazing Auto industry you had you. You drive around. Detroit you look at architecture. Detroit is beautiful. I mean this is top of the line. Everything within lot of these old buildings that you go into you drive through certain neighborhoods in Detroit. This is is is many mansion after many mansion old architecture built houses beautiful but some of our next door to a place as this this abandoned or right. Now. We're going through a resurgence so a lot of things are being rehab. So talking to her was interesting because I know she came from net timeframe of the bustling Detroit but then her family saw after sixty seven riots in after those things happen. Societal CHANGES HAPPENED IN DETROIT IN. They went out of business and they went out of business with a lottery retailers Some of them last longer. But they all went out of business be -sego Hudson's Winkelmann Saudis places. Went out of business over time. You know 'cause the auto industry change so it was just interesting to listen to her story because what I what I come in from it is. I'm thinking about my mom. I'm thinking about my dad. I'm thinking about this bustling Detroit that I never knew so. I'm trying to get information from her. I'm reading a lot. I'm studying her Her family allot and then I can. I can dive into questions stories and lead to narration in a way that hopefully brings the audience into that world as well because even if they didn't live in and I wanted to hit for the people who lived in it because I know assume nostalgia. They're like if you knew a him a hose or if you knew whatever department stores in the area that you live in you remember that you have fond memories of you remember that timeframe but in I wanted to also For for people who don't know like myself in generations before I mean after me also you know there's just Kinda get a affiliate from what they remember it through the stories of our parents and grandparents so just Kinda give them a easy way to tap into that that time as well. Do you have a story framework that you generally start with? I've got that you use for most of what you do on your podcast or does it sort of a volve organically over time so I think two things like when I'm Steve. Martin I think a what do I want my audience to feel and I do it at allowed with music like I came up in music not playing music or or or singing or anything like that but just listening like my uncle. He had records wall-to-wall and he will play certain music. And it would just put me in a certain move it will just take me on a certain journey emotionally so I think from Nasdaq nap point. I say you know what are want my audience to feel and I think about like music. I think about like I'm listening to this song. Right now. Called waters of March. I think his WADA's a march of forgot. The Guy Named Joe. Keeble joke or something like that is beautiful. Song is like an amazing SOM- Brazilian like but it's it's got a feel to it like you listen to it in. His is a feel good song. But then there's some danger in it you know like is a feel good but you don't want to go too far because you get you know so it's like A. I like that filling so I think about that filling and I'll think okay I want my audience to feel that I might even say to myself. I want my audience. Like like say that him a whole story. I want my audience to one Cardi. Grandma after listening to this you know I might think about that film. Say Okay I want. I want to audience person to to Cohen Cardi. Grandma asked him about the department store that took him to when he was five. Or whatever got a first Easter so I think about that but then I'll outline as well so I'll outline. Okay I WANNA start here. I WANNA go here. I WanNa go here and then go here in in our start to write the story or we're going to the interview or in if as an interview. I might even think about that before. I even talked to the person so I'm thinking about okay. A normal tell this story about this hat maker in Detroit. He used to have some. He's pimps come in his place. He's gangsters coming his place. So I'm like I wanted to take a want. Give some some of those stories in there some dark. So I'm thinking about that before I even go a interview. I'm thinking about like I want this story to fill like a A gangster feel you know. I want somebody to listen to this story and think about thirty eight special in a drawer somewhere so I'm thinking about it in that sense from an emotional standpoint but also I'm outlining it then our go ahead to interview and then now outlined further in create the story that I want to create. I love it Do you you have with me. I tell these big enormous like world ending story. So it's kind of easy for me to decide what I see story. Tell 'cause it's like is it world ending. Well it's a maybe if it's not world ending it's probably not GonNa be a story that I should tell no new you think about The the stories that you actually tell like. How do you find the stories that you think are worth telling so okay? I'm curious on your standpoint. You look at them as a data you look at it like Okay Hughes drama huge world in the in. Do you outlet because I I would imagine these stories that you build and world send you build you outlined that correct or or is it just you just jump right in okay. Yeah ideal. Yeah I didn't use to but now I I do especially so I have like I have a relative a couple relatively long series ones five books and one I'm getting into my fourth book and I was able to not outline when I had a single book. But once we got to maybe sixteen books in a series or just a never ending series Feel like if I don't outline I'm just asking to break the world. Yeah was in the same boat like I. Initially I would write without line. I would just write whatever comes to mind and Kinda just go wherever but FAO that because I was being outline will constrain me but I found that I don't even need to follow the outline Lange's Kinda help me start writing or to help like like it a me something like to. He's just like losing weight or working out. You know if I'm just working out just a workout. I need a goal I need a gold at. I'm striving for something. I WanNa go to fill these pants. I would wear the suit that I didn't wear twenty years ago. You know so so it's like I need a goal in our land kinda helps me towards like I'll say oh I want to in this one with the guy you know. Shoot somebody but I want to get there so I got that goal and I might skip a lot of my outline to get there but I know where I'm going so I just know where I'm going. It helps me Other people right all kind of different ways. I understand a writer who doesn't outline. I understand that totally because I used to. But then now now doesn't a Disney data gold especially with different projects. You just need to see where everything is added in the process. You know so I think I I love what you said about the abandoning a lot of the outline but like having the goal what I do is I kind of have a in my outlines that kind of I list every thousand words basically on the an have a bullet point of every thousand words and then every roughly ten thousand words. I have a bold piece that I'm like I have to get here like I have to hit this moment because this moment is like crucially important for the emotional impact of the peace But If I have to not if I if I find some better way to move around this like part up here between zero and ten thousand words. That's okay as long as it's moving to this moment. And that's where the Crescendo is going to happen for the audience. This so true. Yeah I agree with you. Had A nowhere. You're saying I know what you say. Yeah I understand because a when I do stuff for my creative company complete creative. I have a blog over there and sometimes I do these narrative podcasts but not usually but when I'm doing a blog post how I'm thinking about it is I take a moment for my life. That like has happened and then I use that to illustrate a universal truth in the world and then I come back to flip it on its head at the end to like tell people how they can use it that truth in their own business. And that's sort of the framework if you look at all of my work it kind of like starts with some incident. And then he flip it on its head and you'll and and you talk about the universality of it and then it ends with. How can be actionable to the people reading Yes so you got a process on you. GotTa you gotTA assistant that you the to put it into but Do Do do you think the the listener or the reader notices Desisto? I don't know I I've been doing it for so long. That it just has is like the natural style I think everybody has a natural style when they write or pretty something and it's about getting into the rhythm of what they do and then when you're in that rhythm we've talked about your show. The homemade stories especially is Like a very different rhythm than anything that I else. I listen to But I sort of get into your flow and how bad defy if I looked at a bunch of analytically. I would be able to tell some stories start. Whatever the story structure that you're used generally but I think you just because it's that same sort of story structure you just get used to it and it becomes calming. And that's you sort of just get lost in it and when you're a good storyteller you you get you can lose somebody in that like rhythm and cadence that use over and over again in that net is that right there is the go in a. Lotta ways if ours in being a storyteller or creating kind of these these these places that people can go in in mind. That's always been my goal when I do it because I perform on stage as well. So if I'm telling stories on stage or I'm Doin' on through the Pike as or even through to writing like writing like Ren- okay. We got so. Many different distractions happen in our lives. That reading sometimes is a is a is is hard to do. Unless you you had that practice going on in your life already or Or if the author can make me seek into this so far that I don't WanNa do anything. This is the better distraction anything else. So if I can sync into this story where I'm not even thinking about OK. Reading takes longer and then listening to watching a movie or or going to you know Youtube in in zone and you too so if that author can bring me into that that's Anisa competition or anything like that but if they can make that happen for me then I'm I'm lost in the words of it and I'm not in even or stage if I can if I can tell stories all stage it make you forget about Sydney uncomfortable seat or it. He looks nervous up there. You know audience members audience. People going to have all these different things going in here. The person next to him that they they trying to get where they got all these other these going into here but if I can if I can get you if I can you can. We can join one another on this journey in you can fill it. I'm sure comedians and in in singers and sometimes I'm at a concert in it's just like the singer is fill in the role in. I can feel like I'm in software now. They might have done this a hundred times but if they can tap into that moment. I'm there with them. You know in s the thing in his almost where I forget the outline of it or the format of it now. Sometimes I can be an audience and watching a singer or comedian or a different thing and I I can feel I can feel the structure I can feel the structure of it. It can make it could be funny and everything else but I I feel the structure. Feel okay. This is the beginning. Middle is happening right now. All this is good dark. Be Some dark happening. You know if I can feel the structure because we create this stuff so we but if I can forget all that and I'm just totally and I'm grabbing my neck when the person is go get cut with the knife and I just got to be so far that I can feel my own my own body being in it. Then I'm like man. They did a great job so I think as as as creators or we want to create that like I think of that like when I'm doing I'm like man if I can if I can create that moment for a person or create the moment for person when it's real to them like me I might be talking about my dad but they might have a moment and cry about the they mom or onto your son. You're just like okay touch something there but I think I think you got to tap into you tap in for it. I mean you had a structure of it as well but then you you have to do tap into a motion of things. 'cause is intellect and then there's a motion as well so the intellect can go a lot of places jus use an intellectual skill and Arctic kind of thing but then you have to tap into their emotion in motion can be can be conveyed in words and fill in and impatient of Of a tell stories autos things play into play a part in it well. There's something that I think younger Creators are storytellers. Do where they're always trying to hit? The high note of beat a constantly like everything is like a scream basically And they're like it has to be. This has moment has to be big in this moment. Has To be big and this moment has to be big and like you read their story and it's just all everything turned up to eleven and one of the things I think that You have to learn as a storyteller as you have to sort of even for books that I which are quite World ending like universe skipping books Like the only way that those make sense is to really revel in the small moments and the like the buildup and the dip down and the and the the movement of a piece so that your your your accentuating all of it and the high moments feel so much higher if you if you took time in the low. Mo- wants to let people recover from the last high and Get there get ready for the new. Hi like I I feel like it's sort of a wave that washes over people when they're you're doing long form narrative less like a really short stories but in a in a novella a novel or a Semi. Long piece of story is your. You're sort of building these peaks and valleys so that people people like. Ken Can fall into a rhythm. It's it's almost like when you're listening to music. And they like low you into this like hypnotic rhythm with the the the low bid and the high beat and and and this sort of trance-like state that you're trying to get in or that's what I at least I tried to do. I know I did a good job. I have a proof reader. That does all of my box basically my know when she messages main is like I just had to go back and reread this forty pages because I got so into it that I forgot that I was proof reading it and I'm like I did it. I did something there then says that is so true. That's that's going I learned at. I love it. That's good. That's a good example of that if that happened like I had a friend at a storyteller show. He said he was going examine something. He's like madoff. We got the exam. Did that because I got into the story you know and I was like. That's the WHO idea you here. You know. Listen to stories that examined know. But if he's writing a piece on the east bigoted as so. I like that I love. I love that I let it as well. Yeah my favorite is when you get to the person who's like I'm GonNa Figure Sarah. I know I've read all of your books. I know what you're going to what's going to happen and you're like. Does you know it was going to happen. They're like I don't even I was just not eventually. I just stopped trying. 'cause I I understood the story structure by the went so much then. I got pulled into the story. I think that's for me having the structure and having the story is Is like having a good bones is what allows me to be creative. So yeah you're going to know that. Roughly every two thousand words is going to be an end of chapter and I'm going to end on a high to like you to read the next chapter and who's going to be all of these things that will happen but it is in that structure that for me. Creativity lives like I was listening to a Frank Gehry masterclass and he was talking about building a skyscraper. And he's like it's about fifteen percent creativity. I gotTA follow all these codes and all these roles and all these these blueprints and stuff but in that there's about ten to fifteen percent which is me and I look at my work I say. Yeah that's maybe. Twenty percent of it is like creatively me the rest of eight or these bones that. I have to follow each time but when I was younger creator. I used to think that like that was that would kill my creativity but now I know that. So a lot of people feel unmourned in time now and like they don't feel like they have any structure or they don't know what's going on because things are hating them so fast and so. They're spending all their time kind of grasping for some foothold somewhere and when they're grasping for footholds they can't see the thing that's right in front of them. So I like to that in my books. Like you have a foothold. You know. What's the good guys public? Most likely going to win in the end the bad guys going to die. There's going to be so many chapters that do these things and hit these points and that's what you know you're going to get which lets you like. Settle in ground and say all right. I'm I'm here for this kind of story. And then you can. That allows you to get lost in the story more. Because you know that like the is going to bring you on this journey and not leave you lost in the end. Yeah Yeah Yea I got you what what about characters are? Yo- ear like How in the in the process I know you know Everybody has the things that the the good ad or they they really love their own stories that they re where where do character stand in that in that In those priorities of creating the stories for you one characters main characters the number one thing it's the structure and the and the An throw everything else that I do is to There's a saying like conflict conflict Exposes character and so the book For me is all about taking a character a couple of main characters. Gillette of my books have multiple point of views and throwing them into a and then Watching them encounter massive conflict and watching how that that that shows their character for better or worse and builds their character as well so for me The the everything else is just the conceit to take the time to do a character. Study piece how about you for me. I really love characters like I like reading books and I wanted to be friends with that character. I WanNa not a character. I'm scared of that character. I'm even though characters. Evil I can understand why the evil and I feel for you. Know don't hurdle even though he didn't kill twenty people own hurdle he just you know so I like that whole that whole aspect of character that That we can see our sales in those characters or we can see what we wanna be or don't WANNA become we'll get Phil Audet within the characters that we we read and inexperienced through through my work through others work. You know so so when I think of characters a lot I'll think of Okay if I can group of Group of people in this that the listener or read or wants to be around and not a whole lot has to happen for me know what I'm saying. Everybody got a style. Not because I think they won't be around these characters or I want to be around these characters so much that That I don't need to push a bunch of stuff happening. It's just like almost like friends you know for me is is is like sitting on the porch with friends and we just observing a neighborhood in cracking jokes in. That's that's fun and that's what I be thinking. Sometimes with the stories that are right they may not have much that happen but the characters are fun to be around as few good conversations happening and then it's time to go home. You know depending on if something happened or not happy you know I. I liked that I liked that field. Or your field dominance of something underlying an that may happen in May or may not you know you you gotta read through to the NFL. It you know to see if it if if it happens so so I know Sometimes those books are for everybody. 'cause PEOPLE WANNA definite ends on some people? Some readers do some listeners. Do but that's what I say is are different guys you know and I love the point you had made when When you get it you get it. It's just like person read who reach your work. You know they. May they fall into the cadence? They fall into the style they fall into the characters. This is there and some may not like it you know and that's not necessarily a cup of tea but then some get it and they like I love that you know. It's just like dry comedians. I like dry comedian. Another person my like a more you know physical comedian or something like that. So it's just these these different preferences that people have but I know if you can fall into my view folly like you like that kind of slow moving Alive normalcy pedestrian things happening. I can I can. I can take you on a low journey when my stories. You just are in the mood for that too. I I find a lot of people. Put people in a box like okay. They like fantasy so they can't like thriller or they can't like good stuff. And and you know they can't like my show in your show the two very different shows but like they they at the core. A human being is a amalgam of many different things. I I sometimes have not in the mood for your show. Heck sometimes the mood for my show. It just so happens that That it's possible that you'll catch someone on a day that they are like. Oh what's this show? And then they'll come back a week in their like or a month or a year later and be like. Whoa what happened? I WanNa talk to you about something. That's near and dear to my heart which I know you. These sort of brutal honesty workshops right for for storytelling. I think a big part of your work at least for me as the former ability to like expose these parts of yours yourself that is so Feels raw a lot of times? Feels like you're you're you're invading right into your brain and you're like wow this is this is like it. Feels like this is just literally. I'm sitting inside Shannon's brain and like a an a A. An event is just playing as it played out. And I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about. How a person could bring more vulnerability to their work or brutal honesty to their work. Okay so Like having We is so To just say to person like just immediately dive into this heavy heavy honesty of of their life and I don't think that that's honest there just in general you know because what happens is A person either breakdown or del feel they feel like they did themselves a disservice. I was watching as watching. This one thing was now as a Tony Robinson Tony. Robbins thing where I'm not your Guru. And he had this lady car call her boyfriend and Taylor tell him that she wasn't in love with them. And you know and I was watching that and I'm just like it was time we did. I mean if she did it made that decision. But sometimes when you're in a group like that and you make these decisions that's not really you you just kinda based on social pressure and everything else you do it you know. I was looking at her over the course at a fill in just how she looked like she was just like why did I. Do you know you being true to yourself. And I'm I've been wondering when they get home. Two weeks later are they. Are they still in that? True to yourself. Mo- 'cause I think I think people have to People had to do those things on their own time. Where else they become cultish. They become Religious or they become Is Not true to who what they wanted to do. They just doing based on social pressure so for me. I'm always one that layer so if I'm if I'm helping somebody else to to get their go there slowly you know just I. You can do it by asking yourself questions you know. What did I really feel here in? what. My honest does in knowing that anything that you create and from the draft standpoint doesn't necessarily have to go public so I'm writing my so I'll right very very honest in that honesty. Might not be something that I want you to necessarily know I want to have a foursome with you you. Your honesty may be my my biggest dream in life is to you. It could be some crazy shit that a person could say today but if I know all right in this is not going to get out to anyone else unless I wanted to. That's fine so you practice in that. And then maybe you you let off a top layer of software. You know any you get more comfortable with it after a you you can tell the world I WANNA have a force of you feel comfortable with it but you don't have to start there and then regretted and field as regret and feel like this. Somebody's large you into doing something that you don't want to do. So for me is. Is that layered effect. And I think you can. Even you could possibly even feel that in Homema- stories because I remember I wrote did the first story and then I did. A second story didn't want about It was a is a couple going through a weird sexual experience and I remember I I let my mom read it or listen to it. My mom never really hear me cuss talk about that and I was like a layer for me like my mom her. Because you know in now I can go deeper. Alameda some foul mouth. Because that's not me naturally so be uncomfortable. Cussing not being totally foul mouth on everything. But then just become a more me as I as I continue on. You know and be an honest to those those. Those major desires that I might. Have you know those those real deep desires that I might not want share right away but but I can get to him as a continuing this work? I can get more comfortable in these really deep desires because I think a lot of people have them. We just don't we WANNA share like comedians helpless. Get to homeboy. That's why we laughed so hard when they say something that I would never say that. But yeah you'd think it ought time. That's why you laughing so hard you know so. I I like that that That aspect of the brutal honesty. But I don't believe you just go from from from zero to one hundred and I don't believe in forcing people to that either you know force. I mean encouragement stages of that. You know I love that because I I think that we have a A A tendency to look at somebody where they are now and compare them to where you are now and it's important to know that like this is a state that this was a process that took years to get to this place and and It meant peeling layers and it meant like probably going to dark at some point in having to pull it back because I shouldn't have gone there and then like learning Duckworth balances over time right The good point good point. So we're nearing the end of our our together. I can't believe it's already just about time and I want to give you a chance to talk about your shows or whatever you want to Whatever you want to talk about so What are you working on now that you'd like the listeners to to check out well home? Historians has been ongoing podcast for over two years. Now starting in two thousand ten and it's so it's is it's my play box of storytelling where it's personal narrative storytelling of work with them. Snap judgment a lot. So I've worked with those organizations ally if you like those kind of stories in in I also add in my fiction. I'll add in essays that. I wrote so but it's is more of a. You don't know what you get when you listen to it but it's is is is is Is feel is is a Filipino. Emotional trip so. I'll I'll people will will fall into that and I love music. I play music on their. That's probably copyrighted. And that I should be but but I play good music on it and then I also work in storytelling with other. I've worked with like I say. The mosque snap judgments spotify different other companies on on storytelling work and the wanted to other storytelling shows. I have is caught in good co Detroit. I'm a native detroiter. Lived in Detroit Most of my life Detroit and Chicago so midwest all the way through in In this is the stories of entrepreneurs in Detroit. I'm interviewing looking for those on his vulnerable moments of of them starting their business and all of them are super successful in doing things all over the world. Some of them are mom and pop shops. Just just that you see as you walk through a neighborhood but I wanNA talk to them about their lies in. Was there drive near near In their thing because because entrepreneurship as fall into it more and more it is like a creative creative aspect as well like hang with poetry Community and storytelling community and comedian community. An entrepreneurship is is this on creative community as well. So I'm kind of telling those stories through through INCA CO DETROIT DOT COM in Get at Eliza. I I really loved that. What you said about entrepreneurship at some creative journey. Because I don't know if I would have agreed with you like ten years ago but I certainly on the other side of having run multiple companies and especially in time. We live now like there's very little that's more creative than like. How do I still have my company in a year when everything is closed that is like very creative stuff? Right there So I I really love in Good Co. I loved the homemade homemade stories as well but as an entrepreneur. I really appreciate how you brought a sort of a voice to those stories. If people wanted to get like a the most Shannon Shannon's Thang and you're like you can listen to one thing. What would you tell them to go? Listen to I will say listen to Was it car Listen to homemade stories Johnnie Walker Smith episode Card Johnny Walker Smith. And that's probably my most and that's a that's A. That's a fictional story. But that's a story that came to me and all just in one sitting I was sitting down and I wrote the whole story in our recorded did and I play all the voices in his story in. If I've done my job my voice face in the background and it just becomes a a narrative dechy listening to so Johnnie Walker Smith. I'm always I'm always happy to share. That were On homema- stories just look for So where can we find you? And then I'll ask our last question and then we'll say goodbye. You can find me at Shannon case dot com a case in a c. A S. O. N. And you can find me on social media. At Shannon case almost almost social media forums are be happy to connect with anyone awesome and so here is The last question is people have been driving or they may be been tuning out but this is when they come back just for a couple of in view. Deliver the best piece of advice that you can give them. Whether it's for starting their career can be what you would tell yourself At the start if your career but just the little nuggets you want them to leave this podcast with every they has a place. So you put everything back in his place if you if you have Peons you're low pin thing that you keep Europeans and use one type of peon like you like appear like the Zebra Zebra points off a time. And and I use one notebook a got Cavalier or whatever didn't notice car and I go get CVS. And I go get every every time. So and then everything has its place in anybody who comes in my office and takes my sister's. I'll what I'll put them back. They go here from me so put everything. It is place live. Make sure people respect it? Yup Awesome and I love it. Well thank you so much for stopping by Shannon. Thank you to appreciate a Russell. So that was shining cason and I hope you enjoyed that one if you did make sure to go. Find Shannon listened to his podcasts. I have been listening to in good company and homemade stories and I think both are wonderful. Shine it's got a really great rhythm and flow. I hope you heard it on the show. That is quite unique in the world of podcasting and I appreciate that. Very thoughtful. Slow introspective rhythm that he has so I highly recommend his shows. 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The Disappearance of Heather Elvis

"True, crime brewery contains disturbing content related to real light crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to true crime burry I'm Jill and I'm Dick Heather Elvis was just twenty years old when she disappeared on Tuesday night just one week before Christmas! Heather was kind. Heather was clever. She knew what it was like to work hard, but she liked to have fun to. She never would have disappeared from her family without an explanation. When Heather's father? Terry was notified that her car had been abandoned at South Carolina's picturesque peach tree landing. He knew that something was terribly wrong. As. A policeman opened her car's trunk Terry was terrified of what he might find. Join US at the quiet end for the disappearance of Heather Elvis the search for heather led investigators through hundreds of phone calls and texts reels of C. C.. 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There's a very quiet end in this room where we can discuss this case, which is fascinating, but so so sad. and frustrating. Yeah yeah, not a ending. That's really very satisfying, is it? Not to this point now. Why don't you go ahead and start the conversation I? Know you wanted to go over a little bit about the night? She went missing first before we get into. The background will do that, so investigators could follow Heather Elvis's final. By Monitoring Cell, phone, activity! Her phone rang at one thirty five in the morning. GPS data could identify her location to within a few feet of her apartment building in north, Myrtle beach South Carolina. The number calling her was nine in her contacts list. Records would show that someone was calling her from a kangaroo gas station. On the corner of Avenue and Seaboard Street and Myrtle Beach, so this is a payphone PA. I guess they still have those things The call lasted four minutes either called the number back three times in a row after that which seemed to show an urgency to make contact with the collar. Those weren't the only times and she continued to try to contact that person. I'll absolutely. We know that heather then drove to a nearby restaurant named long beards, bar and grill. On Carolina. Forest Boulevard she parked near the dumpsters in called back the payphone four more times getting no answer. then. She drove to a housing development and then back to the restaurant parking lot. She called the payphone to more time, so that would bring her unanswered attempts at contact to total of nine, so something was going on. Something was important to her to call that number of times absolutely. So then she returned to her apartment. So then it three sixteen in the morning, heather called a different local number. which belonged to win of her contexts? She had exchanged numerous calls and over a thousand texts with this person. But she had not used this number for weeks. And no one answered on the first attempt, but when she tried a second time just a minute later, someone answered. And this call lasted four minutes fifteen seconds. And after the call ended. Heather immediately drove down White River road to Forest Brook Road. To the narrow one way peachtree road. said GPS recorded her final stop at peachtree landing. This is a dark deserted area of trees, wetlands, and the Turbine Wakamatsu River. She made more calls while she was there and got no answer and her last call was placed at three forty one am. So a lot can be inferred from the locations and times of heathers calls. But to get an idea of who she spoke with and what she is thinking, we would need the testimony of witnesses, physical evidence, and most importantly to know the life and emotions of heather on the last issue seen alive. Absolutely, so let's start at the beginning and learn a little bit about heather and her family. I always think that's a good place to start. Because we really WANNA know who had there was and I have to tell you I feel a connection to heather because she's a lot like I was as a young woman. She grew up in Myrtle beach South Carolina now. Most people know the area spot for tourists and a haven for golfers. When I was in South Carolina. This is again forty years ago. There were tons of golf courses and badly more now right or can only imagine burst some friends and I would take a trip whence a year in the spring play a few rounds of different courses and come back home. Back, then Myrtle beach is basically golf courses in strip clubs right, but you never liked strip clubs. Right of course not. All some people do when they're younger, but I thought that you were kind of the guy who didn't. He had some buddies that did of course, but I think it's improved over the years the area. Yeah, okay now. More than fourteen million people visit the Myrtle beach area every year, but they're only thirty two thousand permanent residents. Myrtle has close to one hundred golf courses. Beautiful beaches, massive hotels and dozens and dozens of clubs and restaurants. It's an annual getaway for SNOWBIRDS, motorcycle clubs, and of course golfers now it's also the location for the Golf Academy of America, which offers an associate's degree in golf operations and management he? Now I didn't know that was a thing. Until I met some son of a friend of yours, who had actually had a degree in that? He didn't go to that school. He went to Clemson University, but yeah just couldn't believe it was a degree or your fruit major. Yeah Okay will in two thousand, five, a two hundred fifty million dollar development, called Broadway at the beach, opened up there, and this had three movie theaters and Aquarium, twenty restaurants, numerous shops and three hotels in it surrounded a lagoon and talk three hundred fifty acres so just massive big place. I I knew it. It improved well. Maybe that's not improvement depends. What your idea of improvement as right, but it's definitely different from when I was there. It's ground that's for sure, but the locals called this development Broadway for short and heather actually worked there at a restaurant and bar that's called the tilted kilt, and this was similar to hooters. The waitresses were all young and attractive, wearing sexy Scottish schoolgirl uniforms, so the uniforms consisted of plaid push up bras, white halter top short kilts, white knee socks in high yield Mary Jane's. So it's a little bit exploitive of women. Let's just say that. That's a fair representation. Think so, but heather. She's not yet twenty one, and she's not even allowed to serve alcohol, so she worked there as the hostess. But, by all accounts of the people she worked with. She was really good at her job because she didn't mind working hard. Of course, she was attractive and she was a bubbly friendly young woman. Yet, the only thing that people complain the better her manager complain about as she liked to talk on her phone when she wasn't supposed to be talking on her phone and we'll get into that because there was a little bit of an incident surrounding that at one point. On mandic side of the intercoastal waterway. That's where you'll find the hotels, beaches and tourist stops. Inland were heather and her family lived. You will find Walmart trailer parks more modest neighborhoods and pick trucks. This is Ori- county. In many people have Orange County. Make their living in this hospitality industry. And as we know, that's not the easiest way to support yourself. And Heather had learned that in fact, she had part time status at the tilted kilt, even though she often worked in excess of forty hours a week. which is a way that many employers take advantage of their employees? Sure you don't have to give benefits. If you part time right exactly, and we can blame the businesses, or we can blame the government, but we're not gonNA get into that. But she did work a lot, and she didn't have benefits, so she certainly wasn't going to make her living there permanently. While you can't anyway, because by the time you're thirty, you can't wear the outfit, are you? Don't look good in the outfit. or at least by the time you're forty if you work hard. But she enjoyed her job and she posted about it quite a bit. She did kind of like to shock people just a little with photos of her and the waitresses and their skimpy uniforms. Her supervisor said that like many young people heathers. Only infraction was the cell phone use. Because, the waitresses didn't have any place to hide the phones in their outfits, but had there was able to stash hers under the hostess stint, so she could sneak it out and check see what's going on right exactly. Her. There was the middle child she had an older brother and a younger sister. The time she went missing. She'd been Outta High School for two years. She was working in the restaurant and studying to become a makeup artist. And, actually she had just gotten a job at a local salon. She's planning to start their Christmas week. But she had even bigger plans than that. She was interested in moving to Charlotte Atlanta or even. New York to do her makeup artist work. Yeah, she really did have a sweet side, and really loved kids and dogs, and she was artistic to draw and paint on a missionary trip three years earlier in Costa Rica. She taught children to read, and she had worked to repair a house for a poor family there. But. What really struck me about heather? Especially when reading her social media was that she was very artistic and that she posted some beautiful pictures. But, she also seemed very honest down to Earth, which is kind of what I relate to. She wasn't afraid to express herself as a person and her strong personality really showed. Heather was a rebellious child, according to her friend and roommate BRIANNA. A CO worker at the tilted kilt said that heather felt like an outcast in her family, but seemed like a normal young person, just finding her own way. You after graduated from high school, she was dating a guy who is emotionally abusive. This guy was very controlling and probably even physically abusive as well. So, she didn't want to go back home to parents ended up living for a while with a friend sleeping on the couch. Then early two, thousand thirteen. She was actually homeless for time. She'd been kicked out of her parents house repeatedly. And she had also spent some time living with her tilted kilt. Bus Jessica Cook. Now see I relate to this when I was eighteen I moved out of my parent's house. I went and lived at different places, and I also chose a lot of the wrong men before I got to you. dickey, believe it or not. Were her a couple of your XS. impressed. Well nobody is awesome. So after a while heather and her ex boyfriend decided to be platonic friends and just roommates, but then he got involved with a new girl, and had their head to move out of there, so when she needed a place to stay at that point, she ended up living with her friend Brianna who actually had a two bedroom apartment, so she had a spare bedroom now there's no doubt that heather had some problems, but she did have a group of friends that she was able to get a lot of support from, so she was making her way. By December of two thousand thirteen. She really did seem to be in a better place, and she decided to begin dating again now. I know when we talk about a victim. We often say look just before this happened. Everything was going great. She turned things around, but from everything I've read. I really think this is true. About this case I really think she was getting away from dark space. She was dating. You know a Nice Guy, her own age and really just trying to make her life better. You know just growing up. That's all it takes is a little maturity. Sometimes right? Yeah, not all of us are born like you. And Common Sense from the age of three. You could figure anything out so Tuesday evening December seventeenth heather had a first date with a twenty one year old saute chef Stephen, Schiraldi Stephen a little bit on the skinny side wore glasses. I nerd ish looking. Cat Yeah, he lived with his mother and younger brother, and his mother worked the night shift at the local Walmart. Yes, so he didn't have an easy life either he knew how to work hard. He did heather new Stephen from high school. And in the past couple of weeks, they had started chatting on instagram. and. He eventually asked her out online. And she was quite excited about this date. Yes so according to Stephen, he picked up heather at her apartment at seven PM. then. They went in his Ford Ranger to a beachfront Mexican restaurant where they had dinner, but they didn't have any alcohol after dinner, they drove around for about an hour and a half, which sounds like a long time, but what happened is heather told him she'd never learned to drive standard transmission, so he agreed to teach her, and she was excited about that I guess her dad had tried a few times, and they ended up arguing another thing I can relate to hear. So, commodores! Steven and heather went to a shopping mall parking lot for this lesson, and after fifteen or twenty minutes, she'd really picked it up. She was so excited that she had steven take a photo of her behind the wheel of the truck, and she sent the Photo Tour Dad telling him that she had finally mastered driving with a stickshift, so Terry Alvis got the photo at ten forty three PM and what she had written was just learned to drive stick I'm a pro, so super, cute, cute picture and in the photo. She's smiling. She has her right hand gripping the shift on the trucks council, so look like she was having a. you know an innocent good time. Yeah it does. Then after the driving lesson Stephen took either back to his mother's house, and they wish to move in his bedroom. And after the movie was over, he took her home so no sex. No attempts at six now. This was a wholesome date yet, and she really did like him I think to the well. They made plans to see each other. What the next day or they were gonNA. Get contact the next day and plan something. Yeah, so Stephen estimated that he dropped heather off at her apartment somewhere between two in the morning to thirty Wednesday December eighteenth. and. He said he spent only five minutes or so at the apartment. They made plans to get together again. But he said that heather seemed happy and friendly all evening, but he expected to hear from her the following after noon. But. She didn't return his calls or messages that next day. He denied having anything to do with her disappearance. said he just figured she was busy and hadn't gotten back to him yet. Eventually connect, but of course the police have to check him out this far as we know at this point, this is the last person that she was with rare. So heathers roommate. Briana was out of town that night, but heather did call her after her date. She told Brianna that she had a good time with Stephen and planned to see him again, but she really hadn't called Brianna to talk about Steven. She was calling to talk about this older guys she'd been seeing named Sydney. Moore he had broken up with heather weeks earlier, but he just called her before heather called Brianna. So like in the middle of the night. And according to what Heather, told Brianna Sydney had told her that he wanted to be with her, and he wanted to see her that night early morning. Brianna didn't like Sydney. He was thirty seven years old. He was married and he didn't treat heather well. Brianna told heather not to do anything rash, but to get some sleep and think that over you know. Make a decision the next day because things seem to be going better for her since she'd been away from the sky. So Heather agreed with her friend and told her she was going to bed, but unfortunately heather had not taken her friend's advice. Yes, so as just after four in the morning December eighteenth, two thousand thirteen. Patrolman Casey goose quits. was doing his routine patrol down peachtree road to the boat launch area. His nightly rounds led him to many. Dr Country Roads. At the peachtree landing he got to the stop sign and according to the locals. Stop Sign AC- only thing stopping people familiar with the area. Because if you didn't stop you, drive right into the river. So just past the stop sign, there's a boat ramp. And his parking on both sides of the ramp. And a small trailer park off to the East. But to the West is nothing but swamp. So good wits so his this car, which was a dodge intrepid registered in her father's name. The car was parked at an odd angle kind of in the middle of the landing face in the water. Shined his headlights to read the license plate. Check the number car had not been reported stolen. He walked around. The car looked inside of this flashlight. Nobody in the car. But the doors were elect. He didn't see any keys. Butler car was a mess lot of papers food wrappers. Yeah and I guess. The car was parked so crooked that it was taking up three parking spaces, so it wasn't just a little crooked. No GonNa. It would be difficult to try to launch boat. You'd be having a tough time. Right, so gus go looked around shining his flashlight across the wetlands and the river, but he saw nothing, so he left the car without filling out a report, and he didn't notify the car owner I mean it was just a car left parked at the landing. It wasn't terribly unusual, and there was nothing really concerning about it. The landing was actually a quiet family friendly place during the day, but it did seem ominous, and it was isolated during the nighttime. The Dodge remained park there all day. December eighteenth in December nineteen until finally someone reported it to the police, and this was about five pm on December nineteen. Patrol officer Kenneth Canterbury took the suspicious vehicle call. So here arrived there just after the Senate set at five ten PM. He ran the plates again and looked in the car. Everything was apparently the same. Unchanged from when goose. Whitsett checked at a day and a half or so ago. But Canterbury recognized the name. Terry Elvis is the the owner. The car he knew the Terry of us was a local businessman who owned a sign shop in the Myrtle beach shopping center. He had met Terry at least once, but he didn't know the family at all anyway. He decided to drive to the south and check in with Terry. So Interior answered the door officer Canterbury told him that the dodge registered to him, had been found at the peach tree landing. So. Terry told him the car was in his name, but that car was used exclusively by his daughter Heather. So of course alarm bells are going off already roadway you. Heather didn't live at home. She lived in the apartment with her roommate. In North Myrtle Beach Terry had last seen heather two days earlier, which was Tuesday the seventeenth. And the family was very familiar with that landing. They'd gone there with the kids when they were little. But neither terry or his wife and Heather's mother Debbie new why the car would have been left there? So Debbie tried heathers foam, but it just kept going straight to voicemail. And Terry went ahead and road with Canterbury to the landing in the patrol car. When they got there, they looked around with flashlights. And Terry had the second set of keys, so they were able to look inside the car. So wearing gloves. They opened the car and looked inside. They didn't find a purse or clothing or keys or a cell phone. It was a mess, but Terry said that was normal for heather. Says digging through. They found her driver's license in the Center Council. So that was a little bit alarming. Then they checked the trunk and all the while Time said he was holding his breath. If something horrible had happened to his daughter, he was really afraid. Her body could be found in that trunk. Who Seven o'clock! Period called Heather cell phone. Again it went to wreck. quit voicemail wasn't unusual for Terry or Debbie not to see or talk to heather for a few days. But. He did know she would never leave town without letting her family know about it. So Terry began to call heathers, friends, and also call every possible place he could think of she could be. He and they don't know that. The car had actually been there for two days because it was never reported route didn't know that at that point, and they didn't find anything in the trunk, which was a relief to Terry. And Canterbury allowed Terry to drive the car home as long as he wore latex gloves. Then he notified his boss at the police station. But you know many people would criticize this decision to let Terry take the car, which really should have been treated as a possible crime scene. Even if we don't know what happened, we should be careful. We should I can kinda see. The they don't know how long it's been there yet. Nothing looked Amiss and twenty year. Olds know flaky things the time. I can't fault them too much, but yeah. I mean the bottom line is. It should have been treated as a possible crime. Su Well, in hindsight it should have. So is the search for heather began investigators learned that heather had not used her phone since early Wednesday morning. And she hadn't called into her job either so this definitely pointed to foul play like most young people. Heather was attached to that phone. heathers name was entered into the national crime information database, so that law enforcement agencies across the country would know that she's a missing person. A call into a local hospital gave the police a false lead. They had reported a woman named Heather Al. Davis had been admitted at three or four pm on the eighteenth, and then released at six twelve pm. And this contradicted all the evidence. They had found so far, but it ended up an error by one of the hospital employees, so nobody by that name had actually been at the hospital. Who Her? There's parents. Her kept heather on their cell phone plan, so they were able to access her call and text record. They could see the most recent calls made by in received by Heather. The Google Docs phone numbers from Tuesday night early. Wednesday morning the last time heather used her phone. So this is where they learned that the last number heather had called belong to men in Sydney more. This is the married man who had called Heather after her date with Stephen, but by the time Terry and Debbie figure this out. It was late into the night. Carey called number. Anyway Sydney, Moore answered. Yes, well, apparently, Debbie said we really can't call people in the middle of the night and Terry was like fuck that here this is my daughter were calling now and good for Hab. Yes, so Sydney was not too happy to hear from Terry. Terry's. You don't know me, but I'm Heather's father. And that's when Sydney immediately started swearing at him and telling Terry. You better not call me again. Now, he's claiming he didn't know anyone name how they're so this is not only suspicious. It's abhorrent. Sydney Moore had a fourteen year old child. He should have had some empathy for the father in ways. He swearing at him. If someone calls you looking for their child whether it's an alter, not he don't act like an asshole like that was very suspicious, very defensive. Didn't look good for him at all in very upsetting for Terry and Debbie. Who just want to know where their daughter is? That too much to ask wouldn't seem and we know that Sydney did know heather and many many people in her life knew about their relationship. Brianna remembered when heather and I expressed an interest in Sydney. And that had been on a night in July two thousand, thirteen, when some tilted kilt employees had gone to a baseball game. And then afterwards they'd gone back to their restaurant and sat out back eating some French fries, and that's when Sydney walked by. He was a decent looking guy, and he did maintenance for the restaurant. He'd been building a cart to carry the umbrella for the patio to the front of the building, and when he walked by Brianna saw that Heather's face lit up look at him. Heather said I want to jump his bones. So Sydney came over to the table and started talking to heather and the ended up staying pass closing then on July seventh, heather tweeted. The guy who builds things at my job makes me cream myself Hashtag wet dreams, so she was definitely into him and so romantic. Well Bert, you're! Young people talk I know yeah. And I'M NOT GONNA. Shame a victim here. Later that same day heather tweeted an all caps. One of these days dragged that men into the mob closet and have my way with him Lord have mercy. Right so she was honest and upfront. To the point Yes Sydney seem pretty laid back and as a friendly guy. He did his work when the restaurant was closed. And cleaned up. We're getting ready for the following day. Pretty soon, he began waiting for heather to come to work, and he would show up with bagels and coffee for. Renewal with probably more than a friendship. Sydney gave heather money when she needed it, and it would make little runs to starbucks for so he was an attentive guy. Yeah, but really these are little things. You should expect more. So there's definitely a lack of self esteem, which is an uncommon for twenty year old, but she deserved a lot more. So one day, heather needed to charge her phone, so she left, it plugged in in her supervisor. Jessica, cooks office. And while Jessica was working on her computer, the phone kept going off so finally she looked at it to see who it was, and she saw that it was texts from Sydney and she knew his Sydney was sure. and. She said she saw texts that indicated the two had had sex on the back patio of the tilted kilt. So, that wasn't really cool. Will you having sex with the janitor? On. The Patio was one of those frowned upon things as restaurants. Well sure it. It was in the employee handbook actually to specifically avoid that. Yes, Now? Word spread through the restaurant staff and there are many employees were weren't very happy about it. This started making mean remarks behind heathers back and gave her the cold shoulder. Brianna tried to convince to break up with him. After all just about twice as old as her. Heather could do much better. He married had kids at home. One night heather found an anonymous message on the blackboard, which said Hey, ladies, please stop fucking the maintenance man. He's married. So everybody knew. Everybody knew. What did you put in the blender? Bluetooth ear buds. If I hear another piece of Shit. Commercial I'm going to scream. That's a little extreme. 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Getting contracts from the Olive Garden Red Lobster long beards, and of course the tilted kilt. He was working at the hard rock when he met his future wife. Tammy Cason. She was a curvy waitress with big blond hair. Her family had lived in Orange County, for generations and back when Tammy was a teenager, she was a rock band groupie. She was really into rock and roll in the eighties, and bragged about having sex with band members now as an adult. Tammy continued to live on her parents property, she became a photographer and moved her love for rock and roll away from her groupie. ISM and Inter professional photography, so in the early nineties she did tour with some bands and worked for over one hundred bands taking photos. And by the mid nineteen nineties Tammy was back in Myrtle beach and she was working at the hard rock, so she met Sidney there and to hurry looked like a rock and roller. He was attractive to her. She was I think four years older than him. Just a little older, he had longer hair and beard, and they dated for a few months, and then they got married. Now one thing you have to know about Tammy. Is She loved Disney, so they honeymooned on a Royal Caribbean cruise and then spent a week at Disneyworld in Florida. Yeah, he became somewhat of an obsession for Tammy. Sydney's first time there was on their honeymoon. When, you're into their marriage, they had a son then in two thousand and one. They had a daughter in two thousand five second son. They moved into Tammy's family's property. After the third child is born, he was kind of like a compound for lack of a better word who was where relatives each had their own house and property. No trespassing signs is not a good place. But it looks fairly nice on the outside. So? Tammy home-schooled her kids and she ran her own travel agency which she called magical vacations. And if you can believe it. The agency specialized in Disney vacations. Right so, we're not Disney fans, but a lot of people are. But yeah, we always kind of you know smirk about Disney. But Heather in Sydney's, there had lasted for about three months, and then he had broken up with her in October, two, thousand, thirteen, according to her friends how there was really sad, he'd been telling her. He wanted to leave his wife to be with her, and she did have strong feelings for him. She was very likely in love with him. But Heather really work to get over this relationship and move forward. then. She received a text message from Sydney's foam and the photo appeared to have been taken by Tammy. edney between her legs, apparently giving our oral sex, and he was smiling into the phone, and this just makes me cringe. More than cringe. Classy. and. This was just the beginning of the Moore's campaign to harass and hurt heather. After Heather's car was found. Police interviewed her manager Jessica Cook. WHO said that heather had not shown up for work that day? The manager gave them Sidney Morris cell phone number. And told them that there was a relationship between heather and Sydney. Win Sydney was contacted. He told the police that he hadn't spoken with Heather for at least six weeks. He said she'd call his cell phone and he was shocked to see. That was out of the blue. In other policemen was suspicious right away. Sydney seemed to hesitate with many of his answers like you had to think of what he wanted to say to the police at about two in the morning on December twentieth. And Berry. Two other police officers arrived at Sydney's house. They parked at the end of the Moor's long driveway. And Sydney came out of the House to talk to them, and the conversation was recorded. Yeah, so they had like a Dash Cam, but you couldn't see them. You could only hear them. Sydney said he didn't know why they were at his house. Like what's going on, he said there's no relationship between heather and him because he had broken it off. So Sydney showed Canterbury his cell phone. Showing that Heather had called him several times on the morning of December eighteen, and it showed no outgoing calls to heather. So Sydney was really adamant that he didn't know her. Heather was and Canterbury told Sydney that police had found three hundred sixty texts on heather's phone from his phone. And he responded by saying that his wife had possession of his phone. He said he was trying to fix things with Tammy and explained that they had recently taken a trip to Disneyland. And he denied being at peachtree landing on the night of the seventeenth eighteenth. The night that heather went missing. So. Sydney told Canterbury that Heather had dated one of the beer. Guys at the tilted kilt. Maybe you should look at him. And then the conversation ended and the police left. By this time had been missing for about twenty four hours, so it's still possible that she was okay and just answering her phone later that morning, the police returned to the morehouse and Tammy met them at the front door. It didn't have a search warrant, but TAMMY did agree to sign a consent for them to search. They didn't find anything connected to heather. But they did see three video cameras, so they knew that C. see TV, footage could be helpful. And here, we might see some signs of just bad police investigation. One thing that was somehow not done was to ask Tammy if she had video from the night, heather disappeared. Didn't even ask in one policeman would later say that he didn't want to seem overly aggressive and the cameras weren't even mentioned in the police report. Well, it would turn out that Morris would get rid of that whole system and put in a new one before they could come back with a search warrant. We were thinking. Yeah, these people were very vicious and very plotting things right? There were very plotting. Your. Sydney and Tammy agreed to talk to investigators later that day, and they went willingly to the station. They didn't have an attorney and they were interviewed separately now they'd obviously gotten their stories. All worked out because they each gave details of what they had done the night before including stores they'd been two detectives would be able to see them on the video footage, so tammy was. Let go after she asked for an attorney. And there were police Carson Front of House when she got home. And of course, this is on the same property where her parents live, so tammy now had explained this whole thing to her appearance, and I'm not sure what to think of the family from what I know. Some of the family members had some idea here. So, it seems it does seem that way now. Sydney spoke with two detectives at the police station. At this point, it's now over forty eight hours since heather was less sin searchers actually out at peachtree landing, and in the welcome river. To, the detectives began by asking Sydney about the phone calls. He had with Heather on the morning. She disappeared. Sydney said he was in bed. When call him out of the blue. His still awake after just getting home from working at sticky fingers or long beards restaurant. Tammy was working with him that night and he'd. Sydney said that ever since he ended. The relationship with heather and Tammy had found out about it. She insisted on being with him twenty, four seven. Sure, she trusts him really well. Tammy is working with him every night and they did everything together. These people are just so fucking weird, aren't they? Meet is giving the he be. GBS Don't like say yeah. Well according to Sydney, this was Tammy's decision, but he was trying to work things out with her, so he was being compliant. He said he finished working at around one am. But, then things got really weird. He said they went to. Broadway. Which is that big complex? We were talking about with hotels and shops and everything. And he said they were planning to go to a club there, but the place seemed dead there weren't that many cars out there, so he said he went and got gas, and then they went to Walmart. And that's where he bought a pregnancy test for Tammy. He said they were trying to have another baby. So okay, but Tammy's forty, one. And usually you don't just get pregnant at forty one I. Know It's possible. Don't write to me. Tell me you got pregnant at forty one, but it's not common for someone to just accidentally turn up pregnant at forty one certainly more difficult. Yes, usually, there's some kind of interventions or you have to try or whatever. But I'm going to give him that okay. Okay so after the gas, and after the Walmart Stop Sydney said they drove through the neighborhood to look at Christmas lights. But then he threw in kind of casually that he and Tammy had sex in the Broadway parking lot. And after the sex drove their black F one fifty truck to a different parking lot. And had sex again. I just I just know come on. He couldn't identify this parking lot, but said he thought it was in an industrial park near the college and soccer field. By then it was after two in the morning Sydney said, but he couldn't remember if they went home after that apply to days ago. Hammer, you've got gotta remember. So, it was their home damn in her nightgown, they're in bed and then heather called them in Tampa. Right beside him, heather. Call Him and Tamas laying there right beside him. Tammy just apparently sat quietly as he spoke to heather. But after he hung up, he said the Tammy seem mildly annoyed well, we're going to learn that. Tammy doesn't get mildly annoyed. No shoes either com or Vesuvius? Then Sydney said that he turned his ringer off, and he and Tammy had sex again. His claw with heather had lasted about four minutes. Now when asked again when the previous time he talked to heather, he said it was probably late October early November this was well before their full vacation, and this was a road trip to California to see guess what. Disneyland. Is Very different from Disneyworld or heard, so tammy had found out about the affair in late October Sydney told them and the next stay he said Tammy had called Heather and set up a meeting to speak with her in person, but heather hint up. So he's talking about timmy like she was completely reasonable about all this. So in talking about relationship with Heather Sydney really made it seem like heather was the aggressor and I find this offensive? She called him all the time. He said and he just couldn't resist her. They had sex at the tilted kilt and in his car in various parking. Lots 'cause he likes to do that. Her apparently, he said he'd never been to her apartment. So Sydney couldn't say why Heather would have called him just out of the blue on the very morning. She disappeared, but he said she wanted him to come out and meet her, but he was like. No I'm here trying to fix things with my marriage, so I'm not GonNa do it, and then. He said that was it. She was pissed off. She Hung Up. He said Heather had tried to call him four more times, but he had the ringer off and he didn't answer. Besides, he was having sex with Tammy for the third time that evening, so the police head a pretty good idea that Sydney was lying? They asked him if the four am call to his cell was the first conversation he had had with heather that night. They asked. Did you use any other phones that night? Your wife's phone payphone and Sidney replied. They still have payphones. Just really digging himself in a whole he was. Because before the interviewed detectives had put in an expedited request for heather. Sydney, cellphone records and heathers records show that Sydney was lying to them. Detective Martin said to Sydney. There was a phone call made heather that night from a payphone at the gas station on Tenth Avenue. that. And they actually ended up having video from this. Yes, Sydney denied it at first, but then he had to admit that he had called Heather from the payphone. He said he called her and asked her to please leave me alone. He said that she'd been leaving notes on his truck while he and Tammy. Where at work. Had happened on the first night after he and Tammy had returned from their California vacation. Beginning of December. Yea said he found the note on the windshield outside of the sticky fingers restaurant. That's and the note read. You need to call me and no one had signed it. Later he said he found another note on his windshield when he was parked in an olive garden lot. He through the notes away of course supposedly, so tammy wouldn't find them, and that's why he had called her from a payphone. He claimed just to tell her to stop. Detective Martin knew that the pay phone call had lasted four minutes. But Sydney said Oh. It lasted about a minute. And? We know it's certainly wouldn't have taken four minutes just to tell someone to leave you alone. It shouldn't it shouldn't. Yeah so the detective one at Sydney to try to explain. Whatever had prompted him to call heather that night. Yeah, that night right of all nights semi-heroes the middle of the night, and he just supposedly had sex with his wife. And then he gets out of the car goes to the pay phone and calls heather. It doesn't make sense, and it just happens to be the night that she goes missing Yup and he had no way to really explain it. He had no explanation and detective Martin told Sydney that Heather told a friend that he had called her Eskenazi her and telling her. He wanted to leave his wife to be with her. Timmy was in the truck when Sydney spoke to heather on the payphone. The store is getting more and more convoluted will yeah. He told them he got gas at the gas station across the street from the Kangaroo Express Station where the payphone was actually located. He said he told Tammy he was going to run into the store, and then he ran across the street and use the payphone. He said he didn't know if Tammy had seen him use the phone. But. Hold on a second. She's taken possession of his phone. She wants to be with him every minute. Not Trusting him thinking he's having an affair is going to see another woman, but then she's just GonNa let him run to a pay phone and call someone and not even ask. Doesn't make sense no. I mean Tammy had to see him anyway because she'd been monitoring his every move. And after the phone call, they'd gone and had sex in the Broadway parking lot. It just seemed to weird way too weird, so Sydney began adding new information. He claimed that he had seen heather driving up and down the street for five times. The note thing had weird him out, and he was nervous about heather, driving around while his kids were outside playing well, he said that, but then like in the next breath he said well. My kids only play during the day and she drove by at night so I guess it wasn't really worried, but he's just trying to make shit up at this point. He's not doing a very good job. No, no, he's not. Sydney said Tammy didn't know anything about the notes, the pay phone call or the drive bys. But she did have a big trust issue since the affair. So added bonus at Sydney put in here. Was tammy handcuffed to the bed each night before she went to sleep and I mean literally handcuffed him. Wow. How can you believe that? Detective Martin is Sydney. Where do you think heather is? He said that one time before she'd gone to North Carolina turned off the phone. But he couldn't date or even an approximate time. No and I'm just going. Add here Dick that nobody else knew anything about this supposed trip to North Carolina. No we'll Sydney's move in on the fly. Here is gotTa keep coming up with things to tell the police, but it's getting worse and worse does not sit. Well when asked if you've ever been to peach tree landing. Cindy said all I've been there a hundred times. I've fished there and my friend has a boat. We've gone out there and his boat. But he said it's been a real long time since I've been. There may be as long as a year. So Sydney said he'd have to talk to a lawyer before he would agree to taking detector test and again he said that he and Tammy were really trying to work things out in their marriage, so he just called Heather to make her stop leaving notes and driving by his property. Remember his in-laws lived on the same property and the also had three kids living at home, and they were fourteen, twelve and eight. So by Sydney's first telling. Their Amore tailings. He and Tammy left their home at nine. Thirty after TAMMY had a couple of drinks. She stuck by him as he worked. And after work they went by Broadway, had sex in a truck in the parking lot. Then they drove to the next town over and had sex in a parking lot near college now explanation of why they had to go to the next town over note and you know I'm all for adventure, but they have a bedroom at home. They do. Then after the trek sex, they went to get guests. He went to Walmart to buy pregnancy test. At four am heather. Call him out of the blue and he told her is trying to fix his marriage, so so did he think the car fucking was gonNA make her immediately. Come up pregnant on the test. I, don't get it her, no know. But when he was confronted with a pay phone call, you had to change his story. Then! He said Oh. I called Heather from a payphone to ask her to leave them alone. Right, so to check this story, detectives did get the Walmart surveillance footage. And it showed the Moore's F one fifty truck, pulling into the parking lot at one fifteen, a m, a man get out of the truck and went to the pharmacy section. He purchased an LTL cigar and a pregnancy test. And then at one twenty one to six minutes later, the truck left the parking lot. The pay phone call was made just about four minutes later at one twenty five. The call lasted four point eight three minutes and came from the Kangaroo Express station down the street from the Walmart. There was a surveillance camera pointing to that payphone, but the quality of the footage is too blurry to identify Sydney Moore. But you know that timing really matches the records from heathers phone, and that pay phone didn't get a lot of use like you said. PAYPHONES are not common. Almost everyone has a cell phone. Then four minutes later at one forty four am. Heather called a roommate Brianna. who is out of town visiting family? According to Brianna, Heather was crying hysterically. And Briana as what was wrong. Heather says she didn't WanNa. Tell her because she knew that Brianna didn't approve of her relationship with Sydney. But then she did tell Brianna what was going on Heather told her that. When Sydney called who was from a number, she didn't recognize. She said that Sydney told her he had left his wife and he wanted to see her and be with her. He said he missed her. So. That's not the same story Sydney told police. It's kind of the opposite right. Yeah, so Brianna says don't do it. You've been doing good. You move on. You even went on a date. You enjoyed the date. Stay away from that guy. Yeah, well I mean began in new, but heather still had these feelings that were making her make poor decisions. I mean for Heather. This call had really brought back the pain. She felt after the break-up. She was Obvi- obviously in love with this asshole and didn't understand why he was calling her just when she was getting her life back on track. Now during the call, Brianna felt like she was able to help heather. Cheer Up. They discussed your date with Stephen and how she learned to drive a stick shift. And they even talked about her new job that was coming up in just a week at a salon doing what she loved. So, before hanging up Riana, asked heather if she was going to see Sydney and Heather, said no I'll sleep on it and I'll call you tomorrow. So that was it Brianna? Thought that heather was going to bed. So they told each other, they loved each other, as they always did and hung up the phone, but as we know, unfortunately, heather didn't follow her friend's advice. It to twenty nine, a. m.. Heather called the pay phone number back. She tried to reach him. times without an answer. and. She doesn't know it's a payphone. It was just an unknown number member so then a three sixteen in the morning. She called his cell phone. He didn't answer. She tried to sell again about a minute later in this time, he did answer. This call lasted four minutes fifteen seconds. Her less call to associate three forty, one am, and this was not answered. Well. You know Sydney's lie about the pay phone call was a real big red flag. Also, he couldn't remember a lot of things that he should have. After all, it had only been two days, and these were fairly significant events we were. He really seemed to be laying the groundwork to protect himself, too. He claimed to have been heathers car more than once, and this would explain if any trace of him had been recovered in her car. There hadn't been so somebody was careful here. That's right. Then historian who is previously unplanned trip to North Carolina was vague. And it could have been meant to make it look like she was a person who might take off. And turn offer so fun for a few days. Although nobody else would say, that's possible. No, she was married to her cell phone Mary cell on and had no reason to leave the state. So then of the truck sex is odd to say the least people if you can believe at Duke have sex in their cars well sure they do, but twice in different parking lots in the middle of the night after finishing work, it's weird. then. One of the sex parking lots was a broadway, which is where the tilted kilt US located. Me Could. They've gone by her workplace to look for well. That's what I'm thinking and then when she wasn't there. had. They decided to call from a payphone and lure her out. kind of seems that way. Doesn't it looking like that? Well police did need more information and they needed to interview more people who were familiar with heather and with Sydney. So Sydney was allowed to leave that interview to heather had not been found, so it really wasn't known for sure if she had been killed. But that's definitely what the police are thinking using specialized software. The police were able to extract text messages made between Heather and Sydney's phones. On November second, there was an exchange between heather and Sydney's phones, which is believed to be a conversation between Tammy and heather, and in this text conversation Tammy wrote. Someone's about to get their ASS beatdown. You bitches about to take last breath. So not only is she charming, but she's very well. Read and poetic. Burglary! Another message from Tammy read that she had been having Sydney followed since January of twenty twelve. And she said you ready to meet the misses. The kids want to meet you. And the conversation ended with Tammy or it could have been Sydney. It was Sydney's phone writing to heather. Your skin. Gas needs to leave me alone. Stop stalking me you crazy. Hor so I think it's horrible and then when you think that this girl was only twenty. You have to think what's wrong with this woman that she would do this. Why wouldn't she just blame her husband and understand this twenty year old girl? was lured by your husband. Leave her alone. Well, it's easier to figure that. Your husband was lured by the Siren. You're so right, and it's really a pet peeve of mine for a long time. Now in women do this and they do the Salat. Don't blame the other woman. It's terrible. So detectives were definitely looking into Tammy and Sidney as much as they could. And the meanwhile extensive searching peachtree landing turned up absolutely no sign of Heather. So Sydney's F one fifty was impounded and forensically searched, and there is absolutely. Nothing found to show that Heather Elvis had been in it. No fingerprints no blood no DNA. No nothing yet was kind of like clean to not realistic degree. Elected ben cleaned right? Yeah, so a tip came into police from a woman who lived near the Morris and she had googled their address and found out that they were just down the street from her. So she knew that the most direct way to get from peach tree landing to their house was to drive past her house. and. She actually had an elaborate home. Surveillance System set up with two cameras that pointed at the road. So, this footage showed a large pickup truck going by her house toward peach tree landing on the early morning of December eighteenth twenty thirteen. This was at three forty five. Am Now. Remember. That's just four minutes after Heather's phone called Sydney's phone and there was no answer. A contracting company recorded a similar looking truck driving toward the landing at three thirty nine am and returning from that direction seven minutes later. Time correct well now. The timing of these cameras is inexact, but it's about right. It's close enough to point towards this being Sydney's truck route, but you know these were done by hand, so it could have been a minute or two off. Year while the thirty nine one would mean that shoes actually still on the phone. With Sydney. Because the other person saw three forty five four minutes after, so this way asked we'll her last call to them was three forty one and they didn't answer. But yeah, she just wrapped up that call around that so now they're inexact, and it's certainly not. You know concrete evidence, but it points in that direction I mean also. The video was very blurry, so they're not going to be able to get. The make and model positively identified. So it's just circumstantial evidence that it is no later analysis by the south. Carolina patrol identified the truck as dark. Twenty, thirteen or fourteen Ford F one fifty. With a moon roof, silver rims and specialized headlights. The time there were eighty two trucks that met that description, registered or county. One of them was in Sydney. Moore's name. So, another circumstantial thing right? A search warrant was served on the Moors Property and February twenty first, two, thousand fourteen, but remember two months of passed, and they've already changed their surveillance system. So who knows what else they've done? There were news vans and supporters of the Elvis family at the end of that long driveway, but they couldn't really see what was going on at the house. Sydney and Tammy were arrested thou and they were taken into custody when the police went in the house was a huge mess, both inside and out. They said there was riding meat on the kitchen counter and moldy potatoes, toys, clothing and garbage were all over the children's bedrooms, and the backyard was covered in dog feces so i. don't know what's with that or no. That's just strange to me if you're. Your job is cleaning. Maintaining well just wonder, was this related to them doing something and changing their lifestyle and having issues, or were they always like this? That's what I'm wondering. We're, but they're always like that. You're probably right I mean they can be shocking how some people keep their homes? So when the police arrived the entire family. Tammy Sydney in the three kids were all sleeping in the master bedroom. There is a pistol on a nightstand and there were two shotguns leaning against a Woah. Tammy in Sydney were arrested peacefully, and the children was sent to their grandparents house. How Weird is all this? The weirdest thing to me, not that they're all sleeping in the same room, but here's an eight year old. That's her youngest one. Yeah with three guns. In the room. God I know, and they're not even like put away. No, so what's going on there? I mean at first I. Read it I'm thinking. Were they thinking of a family suicide pack type of deal? I don't know or were they just weird and they lived like that. which is probably what it was, or you're just weird house. Sydney and Tammy were not charged with kidnapping or murder. They were each charged with obstruction of justice and indecent exposure. The obstruction of justice charge was due to their behavior in the Heather Elvis investigation. And the indecent exposure charges were were related to two incidents, December, seventeenth and December eighteenth when they expose themselves in public places. She's so. We don't know the details of that. Does it have to do with the parking lot sacks? I'm not sure. But it's interesting. But they just want interesting. Yeah, I mean. They really just want to get them arrested. Then, talk to them I'm imagining. Yet. A third of February. Both Sydney and Tammy were charged with kidnapping in connection with Heather's disappearance. Then the next day they were charged with his murder and bind was denied for both of them. So as you can imagine, Sydney and Tammy really were hated by the community after all this and they did endorse some harassment. But the question is. Was It on warranted? I kind of think it wasn't. What do you think well I? Don't know how far the harassment went. Yeah, Kuzan is probably a lion. To draw there well, I mean we really have to leave it to the justice system, so it's probably not appropriate, but the public were really on the Elvis family side. Yes definitely, and these did seem like despicable people, but they do deserve the assumption of innocence until proven guilty like we all do. Know in March. TAMMY's father William Cason died of a heart attack. CAMMI blamed the stress of the case for his death, but she didn't get much sympathy from the townspeople. Well now I mean. Here's some of the harassment we were talking about after his death pictures of William Sydney and Tammy were tacked up on a stop sign with a red x drawn over Williams face in someone who actually written one down rotten hell. We don't know if William had anything to do with US probably not, but we don't know, but there's also another sign with a picture of Tammy and someone. Someone had actually shot a bullet hole through her forehead. You know the pictures for head. In, hung it up. TAMMY's oldest son really blamed Heather's father. Terry Alvis for that tone in the community. And he said that a gag order placed on his parents made it so that they couldn't speak the truth and they were being harassed and threatened as a result. And my heart just goes out to this fourteen year old. I wouldn't expect him not to take his parents side and I wouldn't blame him for anything he says. It's just really sad that he felt he needed to get involved at all it is. Tammy in Sydney had lawyers. TAMMY's lawyer said the TAMMY was only arrested. Away to pressure her to turn on her husband. Pay presented new reasons why she should be given bond. And at one point him, he said excuse me. Can I say something? No ma'am, the Janssen. Her lawyer, said the she wanted to complain about the conditions in the jail where she was locked up. People there had. Herpes HIV The also tried to say Tammy was pregnant. But she had refused prenatal vitamins, who medical care including an Obgyn exam? Right, so she actually felt she was pregnant. Why wouldn't she do that, right? Then in June of two thousand, fourteen, both Maurer's were served warrants for allegedly misrepresenting their income in order to qualify for Medicaid benefits for the family, so it's really just all coming together that these are. People these are people that lie and cheat and I just not nice. knows. Both were charged with obtaining signature or property under false pretenses and false statement for application for Medicaid, assistance. Because they failed to disclose their real household visit status between January two, thousand, seven and March two thousand thirteen. and. They received Medicaid benefits that they weren't entitled to. And the value of the benefits was just over ten thousand dollars. So a lot of things coming out that they really. Weren't living their best lives. June thirtieth, two thousand fourteen was heather. Elvis's twenty first birthday. Her family held a vigil that day to remember her and share her story. He and the Morris Trial was set for May Eleventh Two Thousand Fifteen. In January of two thousand fifteen judge set bond for Sydney and Tammy at one hundred thousand dollars, they were both required to wear a GPS monitoring device to stay outside of a five mile radius around the Elvis House. And of course to have no contact with anyone in the Elvis family. But then the May Eleventh Court date was indefinitely delayed that March and this was done with the approval of both the prosecution and the defense. Now, even know he was out on bond. Nobody in town is going to hire Sydney for cleanup. Were repairs and according Tammy people were threatening them in harassing restaurant owners to keep from hiring them. Yeah. I mean that might have been trail. Probably was of course, the terms of their kept them from leaving South Carolina. But in August of two thousand fifteen, the judge allowed them to go to Florida, so that Sydney could have a job. Interview and Olive Garden offered him steady work in Florida. So Sydney's attorney went before the judge and asked that they be allowed to move to Florida. The ankle monitor's would work easily in the new location. He said so that September Sydney Tammy were allowed to move to Florida. But, when he wasn't working, he had to remain under house arrest. He had to check in as requested and he had to submit to monthly drug testing. Tammy was allowed to go along with him and she had to stay under house arrest, so Sydney Tammy in all three of these kids lived in their Mickey Mouse Camper while Tammy home schooled the children and worked part time as a waitress. Don't ask me what Mickey Mouse Camper is I'm thinking? It's just kind of some decor on the outside your Schuster. Dirk rooted. You've seen them. Oh okay well, they escaped the hatred of Ori County at least an aside from the restrictions of house arrest. They were able to live their lives as a family. Then they found morlock luck when the murder charges for both of them were dropped in the indecent exposure and obstruction charges for Tammy were dropped. But prosecutors declined to comment to the press and the Elvis family had no comment other than saying that they were really remaining focused on just finding heather. Here, this case was going to be a nobody homicide. Maybe not that unusual, but certainly more difficult to prosecute. Prosecutors used to avoid moving forward in case until a body was found. because. It was difficult to prove that the victim was dead. And then the defense would always have the argument that the victim possibly could still be alive to use for reasonable doubt. At DNA testing has improved the rate of prosecution. For nobody cases because often DNA or some other biological evidence is found at the crime scene. That wasn't the case here. In this case, the electronic trail was used heather. Stop texting, calling or using any social media. She had stopped using her ATM card. In this age of social media someone who stops using their phone. Could reasonably be considered dead sure I in. That's trail. At first Sydney gloated to the media about those charges being dropped and started complaining that the prosecution had ruined his family's lives for no reason, but then as time passed, he seemed to realize that these murder charges could be reinstated. And don't forget. The kidnapping charge is no small potatoes that holds a possible thirty year prison sentence road. He's a forty year old guy. That's a huge chunk of his life certainly is. So in two thousand six, in June of two thousand sixteen, the judge granted emotion to try Sydney's charges of Killing Ping and obstruction of justice separately. During a pretrial hearing cities attorney argued that his charge of kidnapping. Should be charged separately from the obstruction of justice charge saying at the two cases were separate and distinct. Now the prosecution argued that Sydney had committed obstruction of justice in order to elude detection for the kidnapping. Nevertheless the judge ruled for the defense. Right so on June twentieth Sydney's trial began and Tammy's trial would be held after his was completed in opening remarks. The prosecutor explained how a person can be considered legally kidnapped when no one knew how she was kidnapped or where she was. Even, tricking or lowering someone into a confined situation meets the criteria of kidnapping. So in this case Heather had been lured when Sydney called her from a payphone and asked her to meet him at peachtree landing, so the intent here was criminal for the duration of the trial, the prosecutors showed the timeline of the affair between heather and Sydney the phone records, and of course that surveillance footage. But it's just disappointing that that footage was so blurry that you couldn't get a license plate number. You couldn't identify him where it was very difficult. That just makes it so much tougher Yup So heathers coworkers in boss testified to what they knew about the affair. Jessica Cook and Heathers Room. Brianna testified that Heather was in love with Sydney and she went through a period of deep sadness when they did break up. So it would have been easy for him to lure her out of her apartment. If who's promising a commitment. And that's unfortunate, but if that's the way she felt, even though he's a scumbag, you have to just base her actions on how she felt about him. But Jessica Cook was able to testify about some physical changes to heather's body that actually made her concern that heather was pregnant. Heather had gained some weight, and she needed a larger broth for her uniform. And Heather had taken a pregnancy test in the women's room of the tilted kilt Jessica. Cook was there and she said that the test read error, so it was either inconclusive, or she hasn't urinated on it enough. The testimony that heather may have been pregnant though would really give a motive for her kidnapping. She wouldn't have to be pregnant even if she just thought she might be pregnant. And this also brought attention to Sydney's actions on the night of her disappearance of course. He never given a reasonable answer for why he called Heather just minutes after purchasing and pregnancy test just seems like too much of a coincidence. I mean! Was this pregnancy test for heather? Did Sydney and Tammy. Just decide to kill her because she was pregnant with his child, and she wouldn't get an abortion or whatever. Sure I mean there's all that, but there's also Tammy seem to have some real rage. She's not a happy person. Now and very jealous and possessive and just weird in the relationship. And so after four days of trial. Jury deliberated for several hours. And there is a hung jury which led to mistrial pulling the jurors showed that ten were in favour of guilt, and to voted to acquit the forming of the jury spoke to the media. It's and he said basically there too many. What if did too much circumstantial evidence? Well, I can see that, but let's think what else could have happened. I mean he was talking to her on the phone. She was calling his phone. Are we thinking? Maybe there was a random guy at peach tree that just took heather and we never saw her again. I know that's just seems hard to believe. Can you show as they say beyond a reasonable doubt? Like. Guess it depends on what you think. Reasonable doubt sure, and that varies among people that depends on the prosecution, the defence attorney, the jurors, yes, on the second day of his trial Sydney had actually spoken to a local TV station, and this was in violation of gag order. Apparently, he was really angry when the pregnancy test was brought up as possibly being purchased for Heather. So he couldn't say anything in court, or he would have had to take the stand and then be opened to cross examination. So, he went on TV and he said that the test was for his wife. And when the judge heard about this, Sydney was charged with contempt. So! There was actually a contempt hearing on July twenty ninth. Two Thousand Sixteen and Sydney was sentenced to five months in jail and he ended up serving sixty one days for that. Then the next month in August, he was tried and convicted for the separate obstruction of justice charge this time he was sentenced to ten years in prison. The best he could hope for was four years. In prison, and that's if he stayed out of trouble. Actually a conviction on obstruction of justice pretty rare. There's an average of one hundred sixty cases filed each year in South Carolina. And only seven. Ended up with a guilty verdict over the past five years, so the likelihood of being convicted of obstruction of justice pretty miniscule. I really think there had to be. Some weight added to it. We know because people were suspecting him of murder and kidnapping and all that. But his next trial and the kidnapping charge was expected to be at least a year away. For his retrial on kidnapping, his lawyers asked for change of venue to. And it was moved down the coast to town county. In April of two thousand eighteen prosecutors added conspiracy charges to the kidnapping charges. The prosecutor wanted Tammy and Sydney to have one trial together because they said the evidence is basically the same. This would make more sense, but the request was rejected. then. Tammy's lawyers asked for her trial to get a change of venue. Sydney's had, but that request was denied. But the witnesses were barred from the courtroom and told not to watch any TV news or to go to any news websites so kind of sequestered right. Then Tammy went on trial for kidnapping in October two thousand eighteen. There was when new thing that came out in her trial that hadn't brought up into Sydney's first trial, and that was at a box for a pregnancy tested and found in heather's apartment after she went missing and her roommate. BRIANNA testified that it wasn't hers. So I think that has a fair amount of weight when you think about that evidence. Puts, a definite, and that's very strong evidence that she at least questioned if she was pregnant. Because the actual stick was not there, but the box was there. And the prosecution also had a new witness, which I thought was fairly strong. This was Donald de Mario, and he's a second cousin of Tammy. He'd known her all his life. And he testified that one day after heather had gone missing wasn't sure exactly of the day he had seen Tammy and Sidney at a family function. Andy said that Sydney had showed him a picture of Heather Elvis on his flip phone. He said that in the picture. She didn't look like she could move at all or talk. And, that was based on the questions by the prosecution because they weren't allowed to ask specific questions about her condition, but this witness believed that Sydney had taken this photo to show Tammy that he had done what she wanted him to do. One thing is that the Mario did have a history of some crimes and drug use, but he did testify that he wasn't given anything in exchange for his testimony. But you know he didn't say anything. Until twenty seventeen so I could kind of go away whether I. Believe Him here I. Just I don't know how powerful as he was yeah I. Don't know I mean you just wonder. Did He have anything against charter? What did he have to gain by saying that if he was lying true, so we don't know. They actually had a recording of him in jail for some offense where he was talking to his mother and telling her you know he hadn't seen a picture anything, but then he said he was just telling her that, so she would be worried and upset. So it's very hazy. Then Tammy's children and her mother were barred from testifying Tammy's behalf after they were all caught watching live stream of the trial. Dumb he only Tami's sister Ashley was left to testify for Tammy and she testified the tammy picked up to kids at her house at three ten in the morning. He and not super helpful. But then Tammy testified in her own defense and Oh boy. She didn't do herself any favors. When asked questions by her own attorney, she did okay. She portrayed herself as a proud member of the community and as a property owner she testified about how the case had hurt her children's lives and cried a bit when talking about her deceased father, saying that she had had to see him in the funeral home, and she was in chains and shackles. Tammy said she had been pregnant in jail, but she lost the baby. There was no medical evidence of that. When she talked about Sydney's affair with heather. She said you know how there was a nice girl, and she only blamed Sydney for the affair. But it was brought up that Sydney had. TAMMY's name tattooed on his lower abdomen as a way for Tammy to show ownership of him, and this is a huge task to like four inches high all the way across his abdomen, but tammy claim that he had the tattoo long before he even met Heather. And an cross, Tammy was just gross. She tried to be clever. She called the prosecuting attorney Nancy live say by first name like their friends or something. Then she smiled at the judge and asked if she could say something outside of answering the questions. Of course, he said no, ma'am. She just thought she was like cute. You could tell. She thought that she was charming. It's very icky. It is but social media posts by Tammy were read to the jury, and these were just horrible things. These were posts written after heather went missing and Tammy's on social media calling heather a psycho whore. Now you would think if a twenty year old girl goes missing either shut up or say something sympathetic her Turkey. Yeah, it's just weird. Eh Definitely, not a good look for her. So prosecutors also showed a video earlier in the trial, which showed Sydney and Tammy spending hours cleaning out the pickup truck that investigators said was near peachtree landing around the time. Heather Elvis went missing. This footage was taken four days after Heather's disappearance. This was the F. One fifty. The Sydney and Tammy had been driving around in the early morning hours of December eighteenth. Who in the video, Timmy's vigorously scrubbing the passenger seat and she's really gone at it. And Sydney seen burning the towels that they to wash the truck. There was no explanation for this activity. Okay so vigorously cleaning it fine a little weird, but burning the towels Something's wrong there. Yeah, that's totally evidence of something bad being done. Why would you burn towels? So, the jury spent four hours deliberating before finding tammy guilty of the kidnapping, and she was given thirty years for each charge, conspiracy and kidnapping to run concurrently so kind through the book at her. So Sydney was eligible for parole in March Twenty nineteen, and that's after a year and a half in prison for obstruction of justice. And Not surprisingly, he wasn't given parole. But, he didn't go to trial in the kidnapping charge until twenty nineteen, not that long ago less than a year ago. Whose later in the Year of Twenty Nineteen Yeah? Now, he didn't take the stand. But he was found guilty. After two hours of deliberation and he was sentenced to thirty years in prison for each count, so they're both pretty much spending the rest of their lives in prison at least until they're pretty old. Seventy or so? So, though by this time, heather been missing for six years. And her family just wanted to know where she was. Terry Alvis even said that he would be happy to let Sydney. Go free if he could just know where his daughter was. In their is and I totally see it, the Moore's are basically holding heather's body hostage. So to me. It seems like maybe the police messed this one up. was there a better way to handle things to get one of them to maybe tell them we're? Heather was when he think I think we talk all the time about tunnel vision and pointing at a suspect early on eliminating everyone else her ignoring everyone else. Yeah, this time. It seems like they could have done i. mean they did, but they could've been more proactive. That could've kept heathers car and did an exam that that could have immediately got a search warrant. And the naval to look D- His truck I think they could have done more well. I'm also wondering what about the way they handled the arrests I mean. was there a way that they could have got tammy to? Maybe turn on Sydney or versa. Because of there's two people in on something usually what you WanNa do is turn them against each other, and maybe that wasn't possible I. I don't think so. They were kind of a team. They were and I think Sydney's kind of afraid timmy, so if he read it on her, she'd kill him. And Tim, he's not GonNa give up Sydney now. She seems kind of obsessed with him. I just did. They offer any plea deals if they'd give him the information, remove. I mean okay. Is it possible that they're innocent? We don't have any forensic evidence. Sure. It's possible. It's not probable. It's very unlikely might give it a one percent less than one percents. I definitely think that are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Me Too, but then, why is it just kidnapping? That's another thing I don't understand. I realized that it was all just circumstantial. But if you can get him for kidnapping where the hell is she if they didn't murder her, right? Well, they still could charge him for murder. Yeah, I think that there may be just putting that off. In case they do. Find remains recruiter because they have him locked up at this point, so I'm hoping that's what the. Year. They're not going any place, yeah! Our sources for this case are missing and presumed dead, which is a book by Michael Fleekerman. There is a dateline episode season twenty seven episode six titled. The landing. There's also an investigation discovery. Special title disappeared in the darkness and ID mystery, which is like a two hour special. Also, there are tons of articles on this case. Especially, the legal proceedings in Myrtle Beach Online articles from twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen and the Sun News Archives. TCP's music was written and produced by the lovely tristen Capelle just to know. We're going to be off next week, but for you TIGRA members part to dirtyjohn season to the Betty Broddrick story should be available for members within a few days, and maybe that'll fill any voids that are absence makes in your life. which would be really tiny voids pinpricks Lloyd Rule Board Yeah. If you have feedback or a case, suggestion for us, please send us an email to true crime brewery at Tigr Dot Com. No comment or suggestion is too small or leave us a voicemail on our website which we enjoy and that you can find on Tigra dot com so dick. It's time for feedback I know. We missed it last week, and you're just chopping at the bit. What have we got? Well we have a voice mail and a couple emails, so we'll do the voicemail I from Dana and she has a case suggestion. Let's hear it Good Morning Dick in jail. I have been a longtime listener. My Name's Dana and I'm from central. Oregon and I listened for the past couple of years, and I finally got the courage to leave you a voicemail. I work at a dermatology clinic and several of US have been listening for a long time and we wanted to recommend a case from Bend Oregon. It is a case of Keighley Sawyer. Her first name is spelled. K. A. Y. l. e. e. and she was a college student at the local Community College Central Oregon Community. College and she was kidnapped and by the security officer at the college whose name was. Last name spelled L. A. R. A.. And after he kidnapped and killed her, he went on a crime spree that took him across Oregon over to Salem. where he attempted to murder another man, he then went to California, carjacked a family and kidnapped another woman where he was finally picked up. In Northern California and I thought this would be a good case. Particularly for jail thought she would find it interesting because Kelly's family actually created a new law that's been passed into law on Oregon after her death, that really defines and limits the role of college campus security officers to ensure that something like this can't happen again, and so that is called law and it was passed I. Believe in two thousand eighteen. Anyway I. Hope You find interesting. Ben Has many breweries that I think Dick will find something he likes ten barrel and a shoots brewery are are two most well known, but there's plenty out there to choose from anyway. Thanks everything that you do I. Have Been Listening to your podcast on Almac. commutes I have an hour commute to work every day so I listen and I just can't get enough. I'm just waiting to finish school in a couple of weeks, so that I have some funds to become a member, and then I can't wait to become a bigger part of the tiger. Our community. Thanks so much for making my commute's Marin Joy -able. Well thanks so much, Dana. I can just not fathom that anyone would wanNA. Listen test for two years. Not that we're terrible, but just you know I get tired of us, so that's really just very flattering and congratulations on getting your degree. That's wonderful. Excellent and as so Dick I! Imagine you looked up the case. What have you got to say about that? Well. I don't WanNa give too much away as fascinating. This guy when this crime spree we'll see because I think we wanNA. Do it Okay I. WanNa, do an episode on or think I WOULD WANNA. Do An episode on and I think would enjoy. Doing. Some beer reviews oh. My God if we could just get rid of this dam virus, I WANNA to go to and drink beer. They have a lot of beer places, don't they sure do yeah I? WanNa go to Portland. Portland be good then as Dana, said great place I've had a bunch of deschutes beer, so let's do it. Okay sounds great. Be Right away. I don't think it will be. Okay, we have a couple of emails to. We do have to emails when some Linda who says. This is a long overdue. Thank you for all the entertaining Tuesdays. You've afforded me I've listened to some of your podcast numerous times and find a new insight each time. They. Give me something to think about here in France with the dozen seemed to be much to think about other than cheese and wine. We at least here now, SAS, we have some wonderful beers both French and German I bet. So Linda wants to recommend a chilling murder from England committed by a teenager named Brian Blackwell. He slaughtered his parents later, that day flew off with his girlfriend to the United. States and they were there three weeks and spent practically all his parents money. Wow that could make a movie. Yeah, she says it's not as straightforward as it sounds. The crime has some deep psychological underpinnings. She finished his saying think both of you and your audience will find it fascinating. Oh yes, I think so I. Think we should definitely look into that. So. This kid was eighteen in the stabbed and bludgeoned his parents to death, claw, hammer and a knife. This was in two thousand four. And as Linda said after the murder, he and his girlfriend took off to the US spent three weeks there. The came back to England and has spent another two weeks. How has girlfriend's house? Because he claimed he was locked out of his house well, his parents were away so when you say his girlfriend's house, you mean her parents. House ranked Parents House right? Wow, girlfriend was in on this. No okay, so she didn't know no. She believed him when he said. I can't get into my house because my parents are away on holiday. Yikes now the bodies were found because after six weeks, or so there was this horrible aroma emanating from the house in neighbors called the police and they were. That's just horrible. How does a kid kill his own parents? I know I mean did we find out anything horrible about the parents? was there abuse? Do we know any of that? What what we do know is that he was apparently the child, a fairly wealthy parents, and they terribly spoiled him. affluential and the murders might have been caused by them saying that they were concerned about is spending and the. They're cutting him off while you now it seems like three out of four of the kids killing their parents. Cases we've covered were for money and they're from wealthy. Kids who just want more money wrote yeah okay. Let's look into that definitely i. like the sounds of that as far as something to talk about. Of course, it's awful. So, thank you, Linda. Our next case suggestion is from nate insist from. Anyone from the Boston area, also familiar with this case for those not familiar with the case. Here's a brief summary Jared. REMMY is the son of red SOx announcer former player Jiri remmy jared pled guilty to murdering his ex girlfriend and mother of one of his children back in two thousand fourteen. This case is about money keeping someone who abused multiple women for more than a decade from being held accountable for his actions until it was too late, so of course we're familiar. With this case. We lived in Maine spent a lot of time in Boston. We're very familiar and Dick of course is a big Red Sox Fan. Who maybe I should keep that quiet anyway, so tell me a little bit about this. Well, this kid jared wasn't a kid. Really though, right. He was like thirty years. Yeah that he was just a piece of crap. He all that's harsh. She had a long long history of behavioral problems and with on medication for that, but he was aggressive. Very aggressive in this aggressiveness was compounded by steroid abuse, and he was physically abusive to multiple partners over the interests. He got in fights and. All the time and in his rap sheet would take pages, and his famous father got him out of a lot of trouble. Yes, he played a role in getting him OUTTA. Trouble are getting more lenient sentences. So, and he has a history of domestic violence. In, two thousand thirteen, he killed Martell. who was his girlfriend and the mother of his child, and then in two thousand fourteen, he pleaded guilty to her murder and he's in jail. Since so of course, this was huge news. New England and a Lotta people blamed the announcer Jerry Remy his adopted father. For not letting him suffer the consequences of his behavior and letting him get away with this until things got worse and worse, and this poor young woman was murdered. And this was a brutal murder. Yes, she was slashed in. Just like out on the deck in front of neighbors. I think. And he was like this. Roy Did up guy you're. He was huge him in his biceps are as big as my fis. That's not saying much. K. Your. Thighs are skinny. His biceps are as big as your torso okay. But, yeah, this was a horrible brutal murder I. think Maybe in front of the child in front of neighbors. He just hacked her up. So. We Might WanNa do that sometime. Yeah, really sad, but you know I think the most interesting part about this to me is blaming the father, and what was the father and the parents role in this? Mean? How much do we protect our children? And if you have a child that's going this far astray. What do you do? I mean he kept trying to give him chances I think. He got him jobs and other things trying to help him straighten his life out I mean there were certainly good intentions got a majority in the red, Sox clubhouse, which was a great job. But he got fired for steroid usage and selling. Yeah, so I mean it. It's really sad in that way who does and of course sad for Jennifer Martel in her family and child. So, he's actually imprisoned now. Who is imprisoned boy those? Boston teams have a big history of murder. Aaron Hernandez. Will Sky I'm sure if we looked at other teams, says similar history along the way. Maybe I don't know Dickie I'm looking at new. England and thinking what's going on there and I think the murder capital now I don't think that. But anyway, that's a great suggestion. And we appreciate it. Nate and will certainly consider doing an episode on that I think it would be fascinating. I remember back. When we lived in Maine, we got the Boston paper and they were constantly articles on that. There were which I read. They were fascinated. Roseburg yeah okay well, what do you say we wrap things up now? Okay! I got a few more sips of my beer and let's head for home or wait. We are home. For the living room okay well. Just a reminder we are off next week, but for you Tigr members, we do have part two of our Betty Broderick special coming out soon, so we'll see next time at the quiet end we'll be. They're looking for you. Yes, we will by bargain. Bird. Her.

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I don't think you've seen core. He's in a long time. That's. Not, you know what I'm just. About. Time to. Film, that holds up it actually has a really great message and here. You know. Let's. Go Rob. What's? Wrong. But. Yeah. There there's no actually the original porkies. It's actually really cool story and you know there's Touches on you know. High School. Raising? Lord is I. Don't know what you guys were expecting Florida Nets data. But is interested basically. Say I can see. It. makes me understand why Lewis would live there. I it has just the right amount of crazy that I could see well as being happy in a place like that. So. Sure it has its problems too but. Anyway Look this wants to live where she can live in her house twenty four. I mean you know we? We can talk lovecraft country if anyone wants to talk about that. Back that it was named full circle and ahead. So many like nozzle lodges to the pilot and our journey throughout. His the matic's in the Maltese and you know he's coming spoilers. You know. Dropper the show. I mean, that's all. That's what's the big debate on. Came back and his. Lady Love. Little Tentacle Monster Saved. Him and gave him in mortality by transferring it from. Retention. Hand I mean I mean it's it's it's it's. He's GonNa tell you about the show. I am. I am surprised this show is ceiling under the radar. Of. Controversy. I know. Controversy. I mean well, there's so spoilers for it. You know A. There is there are certain qualities of the show. That have. callback certain. Popular Ideas. Began black liberation that that tend to get really close to antisemitism. And there is an actual. Oh, you made that character Jewish for though particular reason and also made him evil which he wasn't in the book. So that was a choice you made hung. So there is this. No you know why? We won't get into the politics of, but we know. What I'll say is Saying. You know you know as as a middle aged white man. I am I am over than. I can accept it. It's fictional I understand why we aren't allowed to use magic anymore. It's okay. Yeah. Exactly exactly what actually but that was because that was what I wanted to get into. It was I actually have. This is the best setup. For Season Two if they decide to make one. Cringe at that time you went on one. So here's my pitch. Okay. 'cause I was going over this back and forth but someone on on the boards because I actually put that on on the on the HBO lovecraft. Country Board Oh. I, actually had to get kids. I was I was waiting for someone to that crossed the line. In their comments you know. and. I made the like yeah I knew this was coming. When they crossed the line and I was like, and then of course, I had to sort of. Did you get will how predictable and I'm time you are. Hey look. I. Saw Offensive but that's our term. You're allowed to use that it's Jordan. That's just I'm just saying that you know. I am proud of and it's all heritage. That's fine when people try to use that to say that were lesser I offense at it. Okay and And like I said, that's where that goes into that whole. Anti Semitic. Aspect of things and protocols of. Yeah, it gets messy when you go down that rabbit hole and that whole thread got cold so Charlie. I won't say I was respectful and kind in all of it and I did try to make my point. You know I was saying you know no. And I didn't. I didn't I'm getting. Okay I Dunno just. Awesome. Headphones. Okay. Anyway. So now I guess I just keep it down a couple notches in it's okay but. Anyway that's the thing but my actual point in this was. So the idea that I had for season two is. Saying that yes. You know white people can't use magic most white people that we see in the series don't use match most of the because as we see like you know white cops of walking pass the seals that have put to prevent magical creatures mentoring and I got no problem. The first cop, we see the monster the as I say, the the scariest monster in the series, the first. Sheriff who says, well, this is a sundown county. And that only chases them out of the country but once they crossed the country then there's other. Spreading the county line anyway, and so that that to me is like the biggest real monster we see in the whole thing also played along with. No. So, the people that are banned from magic are small group of very powerful. Very rich people. Who hoarded this magic for themselves for their own power. The problem is they still have power. They may have lost match with power, and so my theory is what if the entire we went to the moon? was to get so that sweet sweet Moon Rak. Bring that back to Earth and bring whatever comes with that to earth to reopen. Babies. Man and then, and that's how you get those old ones cathedral in there and then you're like, oh, now we're going to have the earth magic worst the Moon Magic and And that's like to me that's your next story. That's the story logically progresses because it takes that magic away from people with a lot of power gotta find a way. They'RE GONNA get mad they're gonNA find a way to get back and they're gonNA come after you taking their magic That's the thing about rich white people. Time loop. That's the only thing. That's the only question. I kind of feel I know exactly what the story is going. Did you see the answer that question for me I hated it. Hated. Lazy. Well, it's a closed time loop. For I mean it is a closed time loop that has happened will happen or has already happened. Within. That timeframe what will happen though isn't made immediately clear and that sort of. The the the aspect of it so like. As an example, one of. Universal's we talked into that too. It's just so much second goal, right but also. Because one of these things. That people point out that you know the the woman on the spaceship who has the robot arm. On the spaceship and people say that's future. D-. That's that's a common it's not reveal. Registers low exactly. But of course, she's cold and distant and one of the things that is heart of lovecraft mythos. Yes. He had tentacle Monsters Netflix also. Really had a fear of technology. Like a major like he actually. He wrote a story about how air conditioning would destroy humanity. 'cause you shouldn't stay cold it was it was horrific to him the idea that you would be able to just change the temperature in a room and that. Would use that to live forever could be living in a refrigerator in they would still do it. It is weird. That is the weirdest warrior weird. Crazy ideas. With the good story we're good were. Yes but it does open up the idea that Oh. You know if they that love crashing ideal in it then yeah. That replacing yourself with technology is that thing that takes you away from humanity and so that opens up this other this other line of where these characters could evolve. Also. Dec- for sure. Yeah I. It's it's interesting. Now I believe me she crane has said that if she does do a second season, she wants to approach it much more in an anthology styles some. Probably more lines with American horror story which I believe. As all, get a make her do do. You know he's GonNa say H. To The lovecraft idea for sure you're very much in the spirit of when a lovecraft story couldn't should be although I think she's still going to be visiting lovecraft scenes you know. You know it's kind of one of those unless you're GONNA do the literal America worthy where it's. Have Different Story. Yeah I mean, that's that's the thing to you or as I like to call it the miracle. Workers Route. Yeah. Horror Story for the better part of a negative, he's been doing it. Degrees of success. 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And that's And you'll actually get that. You know on my heard, you know when my wife and I would go to synagogue and. Talk about the. That's something you actually find what the see them. A lot to were there parts of this that just this very charismatic, very open, the blessings of God kind of group of people. The other guys who are very nope it's the law and the rule and it's this and it's and it's tower and it's like and trying to. That needles always the the the difficult. You know and that's that's the thing is. What we can say every religion has its. Control freaks. Every religion has its control freaks in every religion has its hippies. And most people are just just trying to get through the day. Get through the day and not have to be mad at people. You know I want to try to believe that the order to the universe and get you the. That's what people want, and unfortunately everybody's gotTa pick a fight about stuff. As I've learned that the left. Yes. Yes. That's supernatural is like the only show that's airing right now? Jim Is not while you're not really missing out but. Fun. To Watch. I didn't watch the new episode, Yep Star, Trek discovery the. Second episode of season three came out this week like I said in watch it yet What Charlie Isn't there time travel shenanigans going on? Travel. Yeah nine hundred, nine hundred years in the future. Okay. What is that like posts next Jenner Oh? Yeah. Oh Yeah. It's passed everybody Eh. Jeffrey. Backwards they. Tang ships yet. No No, no, no no. No like I only watched the premiere last week but it's Yeah it's it's the federation's almost pretty much gone because one hundred years well. It's nine hundred years in the future eight, hundred years for in the future there was a thing called. Picard that's all I can. Burn, burn roll the die lithium like blew up. So like warped were travels almost non-existent now. Sub. Stream. Drives now employed you brought that back. Come on guys. Shape was it. 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But back in the eighties, you know they started doing that Russian there's a UK version of WHO's the boss boss Man I've actually seen them. So that that's interesting that they have reversed the roles. A British golden girls with men. At the front door really yes. I old only one season. I can't remember exactly what it was called Oh. How? Yes but it was and you know and they're blanche was a very dapper like kind of like an Alfred Pennyworth time the old guy you know so. It was it was interesting I. I've seen a little bit of it. Remember when they announced it many many years ago. But. Yeah. Let me recommend you a Youtuber? Named is pushing daisies she reviews golden girls episode. I. Think I've crossed her path at least once. Okay I will be interesting. We'll watch related because we always end the night with. School to watch. Out like. See for my kids. Kicking little episode though that's the one that I started on. Interested me down the whole. Charlotte. 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It's it is that I feel bad for nearly like I genuinely love thirty six hours I love his movie, the Oscar winner, and the cutting room that settlement on the was actually better than what made it on to screen in suicide flock I don't want to director. David, goes again. Nobody cares nobody hears but but he did get a ride into the deal but it. Is Not Ready for hats joker unless you're thirteen years old. You know the thing about that joker is he's a thing and I always call them MacAulay culkin joker he's he's to me. He looks like MacAulay Culkin it looks like the home alone. Infected first time he puts year. Thing. which are which are Michael I wanted to do the gangster joker but like a juggler in that, even a good Gigolo. jokers elegant chaos LETO is a thug. He's I mean that like I can't even. Not a word for. That's the I don't I don't sign the letters joker particularly offensive. I mean. He's he's a i. find it try hard in that offensive when I actually you brady has. Actually acting as the joke in hurts me. Well, I mean. But to be jokers kind of a try hard character. interpreted. This way maybe. Maybe what he's done, right he is being try hard 'cause he dresses like a clown it looks like an idiot and. That's the thing though if we are. Happy Rabi. You know. Man Is it's like Oh it's baby the Snyder Code will be good if we add six extra hours like we're. Baby what they're shooting for supposedly so That the olmecs. Guys. We're going to have you. Make. It like like a two-month being where there's only like two weeks? I have not and it's it's just. Me By the time the Snyder cut come up though. I probably won't have it 'cause I can't watch it on my TV anyway. So they say, Oh yeah. By the way, it's going to be now twenty seven dollars. I guess I'm not doing this. Teen I I don't even know. It also I also I guess because HBO's included in my ATV package so maybe I'll still get to keep it. It's rolled into stuff. I'm already paying for I don't care. 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We might be getting new drops Tony Time. Shows that argument on the caves lunatics? Does your. I was worried that someone that there was some kind of like Ono someone's like. Thing, that's my copyright now. Part. Yeah He. Back, no Mazda he's. Any rich friend, he's not worried about the. He's. Pure soul so just I will not I will not hear you bad mouth modest. Numbers to some little women will be. All right. So who comic book? Okay. Go ahead. What what? She has been out for a while I just wanted to throw that out. That Have a book out this week and Adventures of Sabrina, Nadan, state and number one. She is like, okay. I just want to say that the show does a better job with this. I love the cared to McConnell. Love TV shows versions so much but the actress megawatt actress kills Adamson like. So yes, I was looking forward to this one. You're breaking my heart right now, Willis. No I didn't get it and I. Had A bunch of books and that was like was like one of the first ones I pulled and I'm going through my. Okay. Is there was a big more of a pull this week. I'M NOT GONNA. Lie I know I understand what I have to get my one And I'm and I'm. You know what killed it for me from Adam Satan. It's a one shot. I but the artwork was so. Great. That story great said, she's my one of my favorite characters out of the whole universe until you've been Jews. Jeff's kiss. and. I don't want to support the writer in the artist's. The writer Elliott Ron while, and then the artist Julian Ohata in like they just it can do little governor sound like a big break for them. So I kind of wanted to be like, yes, I support this. I think they're Combo was amazing together so And I did really like what I saw it I liked the other ahead to like. I'm not like reading in the comic book sort of slipping in the comic book store trying to make my decisions and. I'd like look at the last couple of teams who is killing who in that last scene, I? It was yeah. I really liked what I was seeing with it and. Own Her she will not be able to the devil. Pal Be damned. Truly I like that I like you know the on Sabrina Clearly you know there was a lot. There was a lot going for but. I for my any ninety, nine book I get it is a big. Marwell. Ninety nine. Five, nine, two so. But I actually decided to get a book that you actually recommended to me instead Maranda in the Malcolm as my another amazing piece by the way. That I WANNA. Do that book go places I To be fair as as I was wearing my apps I said, well, you know action lab. Is, really an independent. Archie is basically leave. Before. God bless you little logo. It's. Coming in third triumph, but you know I am. So that was the reason why I picked in the mail from I know you were. GonNa Start. Lynch little. chugging know. I will point out that when pool already has has has a crappy but. Also but I like noodles as well. I like the little. Why these little children who are short almost as if they might be Munchkins. You get you get. But then of course, the whole thing is course Maranda doesn't hang out with them. But she also isn't calling a road of yellow brick either so that is. The goal has been dead for ever now. Yes. Now I really enjoyed. It actually slows just she doesn't want to eat the cuisine. I also just weird like kind of almost superman esque origin or her where it's like her family. It's the last two escaping the these like. Reality Tornadoes that destroy everyone and destroy everything in their wake and You know I'm looking forward to see what happens next to see what happened to her family at the end I mean I'm assuming tragedy and then why are you being so mad but you know also another good selling point for this book that. But. I'm saying did not have it's not six pages of ads at the end. What are the end? I can't you Just don't I don't mind. That's just spread them out. You don't spread them out. Don't give me just six pages of ads at the end is it just emphasize that can all these ads? I mean they were. But anyway For other action lab comics like supermarkets. Tend to do. Nowadays Anyway. But I really liked this I actually really liked. I this is got makes to the action lab labels so we may get more. Kind of shouting them out for a while in I'm I'm really proud of how far they've come. I think they're books of bike really ronin quality in the talent that they've been able to pull in. Pretty impressive. Actually. Very cool. Philip. Did you have any book this week? Can you guys? You guys hear me. We can hear you just fine some of okay. I'm from trump in the Asian or. Yano though independence week. Easy, they're about to be independent the way their. District. We drop them come on DC we know we're going to but someone had the about zombies. Jay Leno. Sorry. No Little country read it but they breed that mean wait night. Harley. Quinn. I watched rate. You know what? It really did 'cause I. DO I love the last thirty Quinn. But this. Aid Issue mini like limited series. It's it's set yet. Yes. So this is an out of continuity story. I was getting the feeling of that. If that white night thing member way. It also had a card stock cover I really don't like those but Yeah, I mean it was just Kinda. Set up but it's like, yeah, you know Batman still in jail jokers dead and there's like a a neo joker against the woman going around killing people so a. Job. How? Thick but yes, a harleys coming into. Yet try to hunt down the serial killer. So harleys the new Batman in this university. The. New Batman for quite a while every time new single mother single mother Harley twin. Yes. Oh, she's going to be page to. To. Shift Welsh. Joker babies yeah. Evil now about the honest well, you're still young. Babies all babies are evil. Oh. Hey Charlie Hazard ease in the middle? I'm not. I'm not being rude there they they are all the seven deadly you they. They hunger they are angry they are. So they're willing. Tell us you know. Dictate. Very sleepy, very lazy. So it's like. Probably. SANDED, lovable. But yes. Come for me on that chart. Humanity to teach children morality. At work like I'm. GonNa. Pick Up. The. Next one. The next one chat like I said it was it was it was some set up because it was like. Who? Call Call Poison Ivy to help raise their babies or I. Don't know like I said, they really didn't show but they just show you know Stephen Ever relationship with poison ivy initiative diverse it sacrilegious doesn't. Little that original late night series on the do even see who's an Isaac. Yeah. Expanding on Hurley full thing. We can you know the only thing I like about Harley We stand on like I said like Batmans still in prison but it's like it almost seems like Harley impact manner Kinda flirty sometimes I mean that's been kind of this the Danforth while you. Know where to emphasize more than that the conclusions of the joke wars story. Yeah. But I mean here it's. Seems like that may or? Than That really trying to push that in every continuity though I don't. Know. Hardly. Yeah instead, they've been trying to make that allowed to. I don't okay I'm here for Nick. Yeah I. It's fine whatever I like I like twin Dick, Grayson and back. Or. Let's go all teen titans on it and do. Decrease. In. Yes, you know me either I'm big on day but I do like. I mean the both buttons on either way. I. Don't know the doing the new what they're doing the five g. what now it's called DC. Convergence. I mean, it was supposed to be a big thing for. Two months. Yeah But they have like they have I think there's there's star fire baby in that so. We'll just I've seen from it looked like it was a starfighter maybe someone in their possible future. The possible for few months. Trying to put a babs kind of slowly togethers avenue I mean finally. I mean this week finally fully he's back. Hey, it's that night wing Guy. You. On Your own damn book you gotTa Raise Batmans feels like it s What yes, a so bad like seventy five was good. Hey KGB's the guy shot him in the heads back. So guess what? KGB, Cameo. If you want a real indepth view of this check out the next episode of Wing News where Krista. What about night we knew? Thank you will. Yes. NEXT EPISODE WE'RE GONNA be talking to the Juergens who wrote this issue Killing it with the interviews by the way good job Phil he's the best executive producer in. WanNa in the radio. Okay. So when. CONAN. Look Conan the barbarianism great book I highly recommended Conan is a cool character He's like you know. About him is he is drinking. I see what you both like him. Exactly. I I like it better when he wears pants but you know that's just me. Now I'm sorry Coenen has been living in the future of the Marvel Universe for months now. You're out. Got To look at. Broad Sword, swing free. You don't actually get to feel like the problem is like everyone like he sees is wearing lingerie costumes anyway. It's not like he's in the. When he goes somewhere, he's like, Oh, you're it's a brothel. Okay. No one's wearing clothes here either I guess I'm. Gone to a place like the closest ever got was when he met Doctor Doom, that guy is like hopefully mail armor the whole time. So it's not like he's taking fashion since Dr. do. Okay. You're a nut but no. So for those who don't remember because it has been awhile. CONAN is trapped in a death labyrinths. Of A or the proto gods of desktop Charlie may we're going to say because we don't want to offend anybody's These in the crucible of this. Death maze with all of his fellow great warriors. who were chosen for this? basically know it's surviving it. There is this woman that of course, you know he will have sex with. Because he's Conan and she's Horny. Laboratory. You. Know they've got. To deal with the traps and this one is the earth air fire and water trapped. She tries to make a leap over the over it, but she falls a little short and it breaks through, and of course, what's in the water is the crack Gator, which you know Conan has to go in murder. Saturday night a little south. But they survive you know as is good this guy. Not Not not dead or because you have to see right there there's deadpool. Could. Get Old. Wolverine Origins said Pool is one of the characters in this. Because what Ren- origins at pool is getting so much play. No. Is Coming back you watch. By rank riddled. No. But between the boys and other references, you know what? Let a lot of characters that people hate it. So hey off. Decapitate defecate that's the way. That's fine. Yeah and This is actually kind of neat. He does save her but she kind of they were underwater schlongs you kinda drowns and. Like tries to do CPR even though there's no reason why he should know how to do CPR but of course fails because he does Like a baby Adema bet did it all that? But But basically what we eventually find out is. You know once saved to emerge to fight though or on top of the thing, and then we find out that this guy who was the guy the town was actually the traitor all along. So it's a little bit of what's that what's that gave me like we have to find the murderer. Among US yeah. So There's a whole among us quality here, and then kids basically when Conan, he quickly murders the among us and then he destroys statue because he says, you people are sick. Asked up I wouldn't know. Basically, the whole town comes after him to kill him. So now Tony asked kill a whole town as you do. In. Napoli. And fill. That spent the kids heat me on. You GotTa know what the kids. got. got. Talks. Yeah on the Dick ads in twinkies. Cornyn. Barbarian Fifteen I dunno seven still going out. But CONAN the barbarian. They. Yeah but I do I do I do I do love my Coenen man I mean I'm so glad he's back at Marvel. I hope that they I hope that would ever deal Disney may get coming back. It was a good deal that they get to keep them you now. On University at the legacy was golf. They like a dark words on image he would be more advertising people would be more aware. Don't feel big enough his. Opponents. Ivy. Public domain now is because I know he's one of those like news a bunch of things in the nineteen thirties inter now like public domain. Barbarians but the name Coenen might. Be like. that. Because they were able to use like you know Shimon Peres and they were able to use. Hi Brian because those weren't actually. The way that we use by haggard weren't weren't copy writable. But Yeah I don't. But I get the feeling that Conan as a property. Still there's still had to make a deal with the haggard estate No. Well Yeah Yeah you know, and they've got all of the Hegarty and digital ones doing it. So I got it assume that there there has been a deal that was made so. And it's not like Conan has ever been out of print. As an ongoing concern of licensed properties. So like Mickey Mouse it's like you know they're never gonNA he he doesn't enter public domain 'cause there's never a time when he's out of front. So. Hey rest little. Did you read their devil or shall we say that Pacific? City You Analogy I. Save a super connected but I did read it I'm. I'm back on the gear. Money. Model because embattled Alabama while train on back on the daredevil train. Are you joining us live? It's nice year. Are you reading? Mike Dot Com? Maestro. Now. Sit Back. Peter. David Hall's. Okay It's pretty good. Talk Maestro real quick or I mean I don't know. I've. I got six books left to talk about. plus daredevil. So that's seven books I haven't talked about yet. superconductivity. We can say, what? About that? One de-fund the Batman. while. It is an interesting thing because I'm those like a joke but it's very serious about the militarization of the batmobiles and bad. Jokes. The Jokes where he made that joke. But yes, there's a very valid point with the. Know, the industrial military complex that America especially has. So there's like of a valid point in. Now's not the time to touchy. Canceled I mean. I kind of I kind of I'm kind of interested to see where this goes because I. I've been yelling for this for awhile. I that's all I'm yeah. But I'm just like I don't want you know with armored Batman I want you know like a you know a skin tight could be several maybe a little lightly Kevlar it's not about snow. But you know not not this armored crap. You know let's you know it's vibrating Mesh is. Basically. It's like you know, lucious. MOTHERBOARD technology. Solutions Box has the lane fourteen in he's basically. Box. Technology. For anything. Really it's. Okay, I'm sorry. But yes, I know Louis Fox now has the wings fortune. Bruce can't get back. They're like Oh. Yeah. The money's under scrutiny. You couldn't. Play Way. For go the club. I guess basically Bruce's Conaco into semi retirement like he's like taking a leave for from Wayne Wayne Enterprises in stock they're gonNA pay him like a like a somewhat generous. You know in will salary, but you know but loses like. Yours kneeling. On the company isn't not like. The whole thing is that you like owns thirty one percent of the company. Maybe. Joker sold at mean he's GonNa live on now but now he's GonNa live in a Brownstone in the city he owns the. Alfred's dead. I. Wonder how the? Alfred Alfred works for room and board. Over getting paid young. Ladies and he likes jury he gotTA. have. Read. Right wrong. Nightfall like member he left and he was like I have all this money. I, just never had the time to spend it. But. but yeah but but no I, mean I get no bruce has enough to live on how? OUT ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA alpert back, zooms I. Think I heard low I think the whole thing was the co l. proper five jeep that's not going anywhere. So I would assume what's coming back. But no. Haven't killed Jarvis yet. So they're not gonNA kill. Donald, trump KUENZ allies, technically dead right now. Who Alfred Saints they're going to have to bring them back their. Dead before. That some saints. But no. The DC universe until until Herod comes in. Lord. Honestly. What a waste on battle NASA brilliant. They did bring in Julia p worth even though she's a woman. Whatever You kinda you Kinda have. To. Dick Grayson. So you can't. Just like because it's a woman. You don't really want like a penny work Alfred Pennyworth so you know you. Get them. They ruined lasser. Well it would've it would've been nice to have a reference to. The Flying Grayson's in some way. It's like. Well, you know my now did it. Actually, what they you know they could have brought him. They could've brought her in a really interesting way. They should have said, listen I'm here to oversee my nephews inheritance because he's missing too. I don't know in Kosovo. you know so it could have been a cool team. Here in Harriet deserve justice run saying. You. Know. Hey Hero. Characters that just has been. Why don't you love Them DC. You love your best characters. Or your best potential characters. Trying to say no. I'm interested in work goes loses even tells him he's like you know your. Money to live on and stuff, but it's like you know no more advanced is no more killer satellites. You know it's like. Already like well, we'll know. Joker, was like trash in half the stuff we add it and he's like. Any. Next time you trashed the Batmobile we're GONNA to fix it yourself. Supposedly. motherly. Still, were pretty printing a new one. Next time we've RECKITT you're just. Like you know they started three thousand dollars. That's doable. I'm just saying. Do. Budget. Thank goodness. Not, really people up but to if he's living in a Brownstone, I wonder what kind of you know you're GonNa have any kind of cave it's just GonNa be like a small basement. Brownstone. His Dad. Deform. Number. Sure Access CAPE. Everywhere on the ground, redemption? Ark. Pied Piper bed maybe. Ramping bracket. But they're going to be like, Oh you know we're not gonNA fight with your band at school man it. We knew Reuss win all time to swell. We were just we were just being polite. It was this really you're working through. We know we know we know your parents said, okay. We know that was hard to you man. So we were willing to let your work. Lived in the city that he so called percents interest. He used to have a penthouse seventy but he never. Tax Purposes. Need actually just come back. So the panthers because then again, you also have that rooftop access, but he's taken us. From the company so That's very doable by Bill Dick Grayson. I mean he was living in that penthouse yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying it's real hard to swing from Brownstone. that. Way. Exactly it's like. You know. That's how you know that he's a Jersey Superhero because nobody in New York City would be driving as the main mode of transportation. Access to be. Traveling by. Sewer. OLMEC I hope we get more bat boat or. A. Yellow at both through the remember remember the Bat. They. Had the. Gift the Swamp Thang in the super friends other say that man returns. They had a bat. They had a bat Fan, boat, yeah I. Wrote in the Bat fan boat down to the sewers. Gone off my sewer. Now that they're going to bring those men inches worse you perfectly. One imagines one hopes you know you can only hope for so much and then. Zombie spider man faster show, and then Batman Account Woman taking a year break. There were OUGHTA breaks. 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Episode 8: Craving Good Coffee

Pivot Party

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Episode 8: Craving Good Coffee

"Hey y'all is October twenty, eight, two, thousand, twenty, and you're listening to the eighth episode of Pivot Party this week where craving. Good coffee. uh-huh. I'm Nina and I'm joined by my co host Dan Hello I. Feel like I'm supposed to say something about cheese or peanut butter. What? Within. The past of this week's on feeling like energized and it's not naptime. We did not just eat a bowl of naptime. Did we did not just eat a bowl of naptime? We did we crushed this week spiritus we did have asparagus. It was delicious. we are also joined by Cason. Hello. So, case in an I have known each other for thirty two years and have a lot in common, and so we're just really excited to have her on the show. And before we get started and talk about a few things, we just want to say a big hello to Nevada a shoutout to the entire state of Nevada, right? YEAH WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY But we have like this really cool interesting batch of listeners from Nevada that we we don't even we don't know who you are. We wish we knew who you were. Send us a message message. Love to hear from you understand how you discovered this podcast. Would absolutely love that. Yeah. But thank you, Nevada. Thank you wonderful and you know we can also shut out. Absolutely Georgia and Florida two of those I understand actually all three of those I understand. But Nevada, I don't know anyone in Nevada I don't know if I know anyone in Nevada. Cason do you know anyone in Nevada? I can't think I've been to Nevada and actually kind of immediately terrifies me if I'm like, wow, where is this going? You know are they pivoting out there a lot more than I know but I have been to Nevada one time yeah. That's awesome. That's never been well, you know speaking of Florida that actually makes me want to get to a new segment. We have on the show this week called on the binge. And we're we're workshop. Work shopping that name there was some other ones where we`re Over, some of those. Babies got the binge. Wow. But I'm not sure if the radiohead reference will really hit. Okay except for very. View. So, if there any radiohead fans out there, let me know and I'll just make that in the notes every week. Cool. Well, one of the things that the. Cova Times has brought us as a lot of time to listen to things and watch things. So that is our first question for case in is what have you been watching? Wow. a lot of different good shows. frazier. Golden. Girls. Always Succession on HBO O. Tints we have not seen that. If you think you have a family with dynamic drama. I would say definitely, checkout succession it is just really really cool and supermarket sweep obviously original episodes though are you serious are the originals from Childhood Times Osama time? Yes. When sees when you hear the beep think of the sweep If I'm meth lakes. Dang. We may need Netflix. We got rid of net flix during this time. Yeah. Because we had to make some tough budget. Goes. Yeah. And Netflix was on the on the we've been kind of holding out on another season of stranger things. Right but I haven't seen anything there. Someone is probably angrily like typing right now all you have to Google it. I don't know there's another season or when it's going to come out so I don't know either. But I, do know that I've already missed the like last. The most recent. Season of Queer eye which I love and so I'm behind and I also believe there may be a great British baking show that's on I. Think there is supposed to be one. I don't know if it's already started. Like totally missing it 'cause we've been watching lovecraft country and it just finished last week. There was intense with super intense superintendent but we have also been kind of binging the wire, which is one of my favorite shows of all time on the sure if that counts as a binge or if that's just something that sort of on all the time. Anyway, is that like a background show? Maybe this is more like. No? No No. No. This thing more like you're you're getting housework done. You know. Oh. A wire. That's the Golden. Girls. Golden girls is like constantly Kinda like come in in the background and. The other day was like Oh man I need to remember that gravy is a beverage but. There's some some good golden girls signs. Yes. We've been watching the wire and lovecraft. All of raised by wolves yes which was a mega weird. You will only appeal to people who like really strange bizarre sci-fi If you don't have the patience or time for the nonsense, Price Watch. Is Really Cool. Now, who's great actually I was out in the second episode you watch two in the new balanced but you know early pandemic times we've watched all of Lord of the rings which was like fifty five hours of our lives, and that is that is my background like. I'm doing some sound I want the TV on it's like just turn on a lord of the rings movies. I'm with you on that. So love it. Now, what do you think about the hobbit though those three movies? I I enjoy them. They certainly aren't as good. They had a really unfortunate. Production situation and just didn't get the the time that they needed however in Lord of the Rings Slash? Hobbit News. Lou they are. They are finally releasing all those movies and four. K. I know no one else on this podcast cares about the words that are coming out of my mouth. However, they are releasing all those movies and four K. around the Christmas Times this year see I don't even know what those words mean. It just means they're releasing them in in better in better better. Excellent. Yes. In better just released better drive time for just a quick funny hobbits story please. Okay Well, my husband and I went to go see the movie. The first one. Loved it just thought it was so great also had our best friend in tow and she fell asleep. And slept the rest of it so that we of. On that but then to the second and correct me if I'm wrong. Dan. But isn't it desolation of smog? The second third one? I think Oh my goodness. I think that's battle of five armies neither. Your but we thought that the desolation of smog like the. The second movie was the final movie. So we are approaching we thought it was just one and then to we didn't know there was a three you know. So let's just say like those last twelve minutes we were just like, how are they going to wrap this? This is not even close to. Ours did not realize it was a trilogy. You know again now we're talking just about obviously the movies the big cinema production love the hobbit read all the books you know but just the movies themselves. Yeah, we got tricked because we thought. Okay. Well, smogs get. Everything will be resolved. Last twelve minutes and we just thought y'all are walking around so slowly. Better call, those eagles. Right. Okay. I'm going to be going to say it. But okay what's The Lord of the Rings Movie The king what's the return of leaking? Okay. That's the one I slept to and. Our whole family. Yeah. Our family went to see it a drill horror movie and I was like. Nonstop action I might have had I. don't know like who knows. Owner well, that's a whole other story the. The Mono. But you know all right moving on. So, what the other thing you know that we've we've been doing a lot is listening podcast I listened to them when I run and when I'm driving a bazillion miles around Houston. And so. Dan has been listening to some interesting podcasts. What? Have you been listening to so I have I have two very different things that I have been listening to. Right. So one is a podcast called. which made by some friends of mine too also probably account for at least half or more of our Ohio lessons. The other one is five, thirty eight. Pre. Like they're doing a podcast every day between now and November third, they started a few like maybe a week ago. But it's really cool because it focuses zero percent on politics in one hundred percent on statistics and a math and trying to like look at probabilities and the way things are and it's so it's like super unbiased and super interesting. That is very interesting. So just the numbers yeah I've I've enjoyed it. Yeah. What about you case? What have you been listening to? Pivot. Party. Ozzy, I am not a paid local endorser. I'm actually just truly a fan I. Think it's amazing. Yeah you're welcome and the other one oil stirs clams and cockles I huge thrones. screwing up. But yeah. Game of thrones I mean it just sorta captivated. My Heart. So I do listen to. Clams and cockles. The interim music is actually really catchy also. Really enjoyed that one. And then you sent me Meena the one about Brunei, Brown? Yes. On locking us. Really enjoy that. So definitely want tune into that more often, but I would say the most subscribed when honestly is pivot party so I'm really thrilled to be on the show. That's awesome. We'll. Wow. Yeah well, I listen to Bernie Brown's podcast here in there and I have an ECLECTIC. PODCAST. Library and so. You know one of the ones I've listened to recently is keeping up with Arianna and we actually had Arianna on a few weeks ago. That's a great podcast and Then I listened to Tara Brock's podcast when I'm leading my like sin meditation and you know just get re centered and then I listened to the Ted. Radio Hour and listen to a really interesting one on sound recently like on how we interpret sound and how we understand it. So you know I, get real dirty about that. But my new favorite podcasts that I listen to in the car and I listened to him running. His called Florida men on Florida man and it is hilarious and they you know basically like read headlines of things that you know the Florida man did so they are. It is very entertaining even as a person who has never lived or spent significant time in the state of Florida. But of course, it's impossible to live in this nation. And Be. Unfamiliar With the concept of Florida man absolutely. So it's It's very, very funny. I can only imagine that having spent lots of time there. It's even funnier having lived in Florida and you know like every time you go past the way down on the Swanee river sign when you're going down. Itin, and waiting to get pulled over by somebody there in between Tallahassee and Jacksonville you know like the just. Sick time. So it's yeah, that's my new listen. So. Our other question for this segment is what are y'all looking forward to that's coming up soon. Let's a little bit weird question right because a lot of movies we don't actually know if they're coming out. Yeah. Because dates keep getting delayed because they really want those movies to be in theaters. So for movies, it's IT'S KINDA rough? Mom. You know when I knew that it was kind of rough With movies at least. Disney plas charging you like twenty, nine, ninety, nine for the new Milan. What it goes it. On like in December sometime does it really go over to a complimentary viewing platform that would be amazing I understand the concept of wanting to have. On like you have to pay for it because if you were going as a family of four or whatever to the movies like you ended up paying that but. That was kind of sobering. You know you thought. Wow I'm already paying for the streaming service and then Milan you pay for to let's get down to business charged. Ninety nine. Was Good. That was good. Wow knife. You got it i. don't even know what's on the horizon for in terms of media or movies. So. I know for me the the new season of Star Trek discovery just came out you just rolled your eyes. Did. Show it wasn't he wrote her is for the record. A squinty face? I can see them and you're looking at your own brain. squinty face a mode judging me from Star Trek. Just, about to say squinty face Emoji and then I thought this Oh. Okay. Because I thought it's not the one with its is like going back right now it's more like side smile. Yeah, and he's just like squinting at everybody like what are you doing that like annoyed face yeah. Well it's fine. It's fine. Well you know that just I think what you said. You knew that things had changed bright when Moulin Cost Twenty Nine on Disney plus. But that's actually one of the things we are here to talk about today is change and how we respond to change in how we feel about change because. Whether we like it or not. There have been significant changes in our world in our personal lives and because of the change in the world in our society, it has impacted every aspect of our lives. So You know we're excited to talk to you case in because of your. Unique Perspective on that Would you tell our listeners? Just you know? What you do like professionally what who you are. Absolutely I am a licensed clinical social worker. And I am a behavioral therapist. I also see individual counseling patience I do work for a large healthcare system in Metro Atlanta. And I actually specialize in working with bariatric surgery patients as well as people who are pursuing weight loss through a non-surgical method. So, there's kind of a niche area there, but then also just a general social worker. So. That's what I do day in and day out grinding it out. So. Lots of change has been discussed I'm sure. Over the past. Few months. So you know. One of the things that I think is. Interesting. Is Change that we can control and how we feel about that you know like when we get to make the choice on what is changing or when things are decided for us when things change that are out of our control. And I know you and I have had conversations about that and. Dan and I have to because sometimes there's things you just like oh? Okay. Well, I guess it's going down this way. So you know and how we respond to that is. Interesting. But what about for you case and what was? But what what has been the biggest change for you over the past man we're going on like eight I stopped counting months but since March For me I think that's really an easy answer. It's just the shift from working in the hospital to working at home that has been a very different environmental change that has had far reaches in. Precipitating change in every other area of my life I'm a mom I'm married. I take care of animals. I have a horse out at a farm and we now have two dogs. So. A Lotta mouths to feed around this joint and on actually home now day in and day out juggling all of the personal responsibilities as well as professional and so for me when I think about the personal changes going on right now it's it's like, wow, I'm in a new environment but I'm still working and that was very very different from just being used to commuting into an office you know getting dressed the badge, the whole nine parking deck. Getting in and having a staff there and working you know, and then coming home but now I am. Commuting EPA flight of stairs and. KINDA NEAT. Yeah. So do you wear your white coat when you go upstairs and do you work you do I do I? Really do it's funny. I have found that. Kind of just getting in that mindset and doing things kind of ritual list you know just thinking, okay. I've got to get in this head space of yes. I am in this Home Office and it's attached to where we live and work in play all the time and. I try to just keep it separate and not zone. So yeah, I put on my lab coat and it's funny. The old lab coat. It's an honor to wear it and I don't say that lightly it really is I love what I'm able to do every day in just talking to my patients and just hearing their stories and everything. It's truly a privilege and a calling and I really do love it. But for me the lab coat, it helps me just get in that gear. You know it is Kinda funny I mean I will be cruising around in it. In our house and sometimes I'm like, wait a minute I gotta make sure I don't have like dry cleaners on the ready he knows. Trying to keep it pristine as much as possible. But I am I am not a doctor. I always liked to do that disclaimer I am not a physician but our office elected for anybody in clinical psychology to be able to wear a lab coat and it's it's really nice. It's NEAT NEAT. Yeah it is neat. Yeah. There definitely is something about the way we dress or something to that I don't know that Dan shares that as I say I attended. Many. Microsoft teams meeting in my pajamas over the summer. Off. Camera off camera off actually everyone everyone on the team keeps the camera off. So I'm probably not the only one. But respect that you know I do camera offer faculty meetings, but my my job doesn't involve interacting with humans. As a function of like the job itself. Designing things. I'm interacting with a computer screen all the time anyway. But it doesn't have eyeballs to look at me except for the spy-camera that's probably watching us all but that's That's a different episode. Perfectly. Healthy Paranoia episode. Quarter the free. Welcome to have me back on. The state. NEEDS TO COME BACK I. You know it's funny I'm sitting here. I'm just like. Going right back to where we started Nevada. Love it love the state is beautiful. You know and it's just funny as soon as you all said that it's like immediately, your brain just goes to the memory, right? Yeah, and it's like, oh. My goodness you know did I leave something out and Are you there. Listeners, can you help me? And then it's like wait a minute. No, they started listening before I was on tonight so. Hey That's the details. Some details So you know. I think we also shifted in our work and and home life and having everything all under one roof is is interesting and as things have started to open back up my job, I go I go to the university. I'm there certain days a week and then I teach here. So I've got like I've got my hand on both sides where I'm being pulled in both directions, and so it's interesting to balance. That is well, you know and it's like, okay. Well, what day? What Day am I here? What am I on the screen what day am I I? There's sometimes I I teach like I go to the university but I'm still teaching on like it was student wants an a zoom lesson than we do that even if I'm there in person so it's an It's interesting. It's an interesting time right now just a lot of details to take care of and I think that's been one of the things that has been strange is the the change in in details like whenever I go out, I have a very different bag than what I used to have. It's like here's my thermometer and here's my in ninety five mask, and here's you know I've got my hand sanitizer and an extra mask for when I inevitably break the ear part off of one of So. Did you have the ear pop to oh? Yeah. Yeah. He was like, what am I first days teaching back on campus? My my mask broke. A he was a bummer. Holding Pattern because my office is reopened we are working from the office but looking at what's actually happening with the pandemic. Pan What Sam Samec Pandemic contender from Tennessee. Tennessee mountain home. Rocket Up. But. Yeah. Looking at looking at where the numbers are headed it's it's definitely there's a feeling of like well, how long are we actually back in the offer? Because if the numbers are going to be worse than they've ever been. In the last few days. What does that mean? So, there's there's some like new uncertainty there. What's that's just what we all wanted. We wanted another tropical storm. Oh. My Gosh y'all. Get on out here and I really terrible for Louisiana. Will be their fifth, which is where this is the record already for just like the number of named storms. Then it would be the record for named storms to make landfall in. Louisiana. People. It's really This year just doesn't quit you know, and that's one of the reasons case that we wanted to have you on is to talk about that and to talk about you know what his What we are going through personally as a society and what this is like impacting, how is this impacting our mental health because? On one hand, you know mental health isn't something that has always been acceptable to talk about in our in our society spent a little taboo and it seems recently it's becoming more. Okay to talk about it and public forums and in a public way and You know there's a lot of like it's okay not to be. Okay. Verbiage going on and that you should not be there at all so. You know what? As a mental health professional, you know what? What do you see and Yeah that is the question. What do you see? Well. That's a great question. It's very spot on and my first thought was just honestly I see kind of the power of the human spirit. I see absolutely kind of that buzzword that we were talking about a million dollar word. Resilience of the human spirit just people in general have been able to really get creative and analyze their current patterns of behavior and different systems within their families and and say, where do we go from here? I think there's always the yen in the Yang. That's just what I've seen professionally and personally in my life So just as much as we can see the tenacity and the hope and the character and families coming together and neighbor helping neighbor and all of that, I've seen that just in my own client base really throughout twenty twenty I definitely see the heartache there is increased loneliness just even with social distancing, there's a lack of human touch. And there's increase depression. Increased anxiety. Increased Phobias. Unfortunately an uptick just in broken relationships and it occurs on all different levels right it. It's small all of a sudden maybe if you even recall. Back Win Covid I really hit strong like in people were learning about it. There was almost a fear to be around a nurse. There was a fear to be associated with a healthcare worker because there was just so much that was unknown but people were hesitant to even be in the same room or ride a bus with them, and this is even pre mask. This is pre everything you know but that first trickle down effect it was just Increased fear you know for a lot of reasons and the other fallout that I've really seen is just there's anger and underneath anger is sadness You know I think there's just that. Really deep dark pit in our stomachs. Sometimes of just is this the world that we're living in is this what we're having to deal with day in and day out and then you know to push push it even further. I've seen just sort of the tension within families. Because not everybody thinks the same and the pandemic has really strip down core beliefs and values within nuclear family units. And all of a sudden people are really hashing out what what is it that I believe? Where am I getting my information? What Safety Protocols going to follow? These are the types of conversations that I've had with patients, and clients, and forgive me I do want to kind kinda just. Briefly, clear the air on that. Because I. worked in a hospital system I referred to the people that I counsel with as patients and sometimes therapist. You know they really feel strongly about not saying that because sometimes a patient will kind of indicate that you're sick. So always WANNA clear the air on that whenever I say patience is just so high like habit for me. Because they're they're my clients, their counseling clients but because I'm hospital I say patient so. But yeah, that those are kind of overarching themes that I've seen in the last few months In my in my sessions and it's it's hard. It's hard. You. Know I think as a therapist. You probably see it from a lot of different ingles because you not only not only see it at work but then we're seeing it in our in friends and family and talking to people just. You know just normally it's there it's visceral and It's in how we interact. But what are some Do you have any suggestions for people like if if people are resources where people can go and like where where do you send people? Absolutely. I definitely believe that it's always a good thing To just get outside. One of the biggest resources that we have is mother. Nature I really encourage my patients to get out and walk. And just spend time outside get up and move and I think that's a really big one, right. So kind of using things just within our our scope within our reach I think is really powerful and so yes, there's a lot of books out there I? Love Bernie, Brown you know I think she's really incredible out to her she's a Texas Gal. But I also think you know head space is an APP. You know calm is an APP There are these different APPS and have different links and guided imagery in meditations and all that. So as much as I wish, I could throw my fun sometimes in the river and just wave it down the way you know and just be totally ot g off the grid I do love it because I'm able to just google things. Like I've just learned the other day, there are apps out there right now that they are giving reduced rates if not free trial subscriptions or whatever to healthcare workers right now. and. It's really neat. You know you're able to just go in there and use your NPR number and that kind of thing And get like a discount. So those types of things I really like you know I activity, you get out and move. Then you can also just read various books there. So many different things as tried as it sounds you know you can just Google whatever it is. You're hurting you know with dealing with You know if you have increased anxiety I always recommend people to check out Bell Ruth, stack? She partnered with health journeys and they have incredible just a huge incredible body of work that covers so many different topics and so I really like health journeys and then also just get online I can say you know there's different things to listen to read and then just engage with family and friends. My main thing I would say is. The resource is just get in touch with a counselor somehow some way if you feel like you know people around, you have noticed differences about you or if it's just I'm still worried about you know XYZ issue I think just getting plugged in with a counselor. A lot of times people just need to be reminded that counseling itself is a resource Absolutely. Absolutely. You know I think it's important to talk to people. And to talk to a neutral third party like what you were saying a lot of people have. It's like people have either been stuck in their house with their family and their family only for months or they've been completely isolated and I know that there's Anything in between as well. But having somebody to talk to is is really important and an really helpful and even I am obviously not a licensed therapist but you know calling up a friend and just checking in on people. One of the things that helps me is doing for others and talking to other people and taking a moment to step outside of myself and be like, okay well, you know. We'll put that down and you know who can you check on today and just like reach out to somebody to me that's helpful. And So yeah, I don't know Dan and I walk a lot. That's one of the things we do and sometimes. I do walk more than two. But we go together and that's something that we have done. Well, we've done pretty much the whole time risque always basically always. It's not new, but it was a wedding walking around Memorial Park, we did we that is how we planned our wedding. But You know something that we were doing before and then. Once everything shut down in March and we were both working from home. We did sometimes more than one time of day just getting the two times a day. Breakfast lunch and dinner sometimes it got really hot. It did. It instant heat and then exactly, and then I was the only person. Legendary hotel. On summer walks. Did tap out on the summer walks, but you know but that's okay. Maybe you pick that the guitar instead exactly like we all have. Did you. Pick up a guitar, not as much as I should have probably. Should that word you know we could have also a whole episode on. Should. Letting go of the sheds you're on with a license councilor Dan. Don't. I. Know It is. It's don't should your that is one of my favorite sayings is don't do that. They say they up at my yoga studios like don't shoot yourself. So you know but that's I think go do some yoga you know. Faisal. lutely. For you just move on. That's the thing to the the whole exercise bit. My heart is just so incredibly genuine toward my patients I have patients that are homebound anyway given just they're presenting body weight and You know for maybe listeners that aren't familiar like bariatric surgery is medical intervention for weight loss. and. So when I'm counseling with somebody, maybe just getting up and moving around their room is difficult all of a sudden. That's really you know put a lot into perspective just what to be grateful for and how can you use the circumstances that you have within kind of your current life standing to get out and move or exercise or even just move your chair you know closer to a window or whatever it is like as you know. Not Try as that sounds, but it really is the type of suggestion or resource that I might. Have our patients do you know just try to make it attainable the exercise even if it is just chair yoga or something like done so I always like to remind people like you don't have to go out and just run a racer first day. was just sort of like open the door start. Yeah. Start Small. Start? Small. Slowly. Well. Yeah I. Think. I'm going to continue to feel guilty for the fact that I have not written any music for this entire eight month period I? Don't think you should feel. Sometimes I struggle. Is This not count? I didn't really right that. Nina joint. She gets the credit for that one. No that I get the credit. Sometimes I struggle full disclosure that song has been stuck in my head all day. I Have Sung that I have created so many new verses. I would love to share it with you guys if you ever need any new fodder. No. Always always be like a three hour long song because. There's always struggle in that is there is always an extra verse going on there. So well, what was one of the verses today case? Oh Man Yeah Well, I mean absolutely the spot. Yeah just. Dynamics you know and I'm not talking violin loud soft I'm talking about just household dynamics and. So, okay. I have a little boy husband and I. We have a little boy. He's almost two and he is just absolutely the light of our lives and I just absolutely love him to pieces. Okay. There are moments though when we're just trying to juggle every single normal aspect of being a family on top of hello what did we do during? COVID. We adopted a second dog. Obviously as you didn't. The boat right or did y'all keep right? The. Boat is gone Yes. We did sell the boat and that was just such a cool story to man. We have so many good stories. You know so much about me. Odd. For so long it's just for so yeah, just you're just you know my struggles and our water crafts. We shared we've just shared a lot. We shared a lot. We shared you know playroom as kids we shared. For a million. Wow Well I didn't WanNA start the episode with in today we're talking to Sissy so. Good have could have, and that's also why I say your name. So awkwardly on the case and. I. Usually call you case. All right. So case tell us we first let's go. Let's struggle is just this. Okay. Sometimes, it's just like sometimes struggled to get out the door sometimes I struggle because my husband's snore. To Make It to the barn and I don't even know the rest of the words right now. But that's okay. But that's the type of melody that would just be floating in my head y'all unlike unloading Brussel sprout after just having come in from washing the horse out at the barn. You know this is my day off. I. Mean. This is supposed to be some sort of Sabbath right day of rest and I'm just juggling this that in a third and sometimes I struggle is back in my head and it won't quit. Won't quit in a good way. You know it it's I hope it's a good way but it it's a good song to have like. In their, you know just rolling around and further. Storing husbands are a treasurer. They are treasure. Yeah. I also seeing that verse. To do the. That Emoji face again, I did not know I literally look down on my notebook. So I'm like taking notes and write things down and dance thin-skinned. He's giving me. He's like throwing shade over here so. Well look into. All right case so would you tell us a more you sound like you have lots going on here? So you're at the barn nearby and Brusque's and Then you have a two year old and the in the back what's the? WHAT'S THE A case in like a day in the life like one of your best day in the lives. Oh my goodness. Kind of be like a Celeb- at the second. Did I, think you guys officially for being on because I do feel like now might be a good. Plug for that Thank you just honestly I. Just have been so excited about this opportunity and when y'all said you were launching Pivot Party I thought yes we need this. We need this right now it is just so timely. So really props to you guys. I, mean, not genuinely. Day in the life of casing. I. Wake up almost at the same time every day I have a routine. I wake up and you know it's like the usual is you right we like to pre-programme our coffee every night, and so I wake up to the smell of beautiful lavazza coffee. Unlike. Because from the office Michael Scott and the Bacon right it's a similar desire but we have the coffee going in. It is just delightful and I have to give a shoutout to one of our mutual friends. Encouraged. Me To do that. She's a fellow Mama and she said, you know you've got to jumpstart coffee. So. We do say jumpstart coffee every night. And it it prompts are Shegal to get up from his dog bed and a Shiga a shepherd beagle mix. Okay. And he gets up links out our. Sun Room and he gives my husband is Sinai whenever he's making the coffee and then he goes out to the yard anyway that's neither here nor there. We we rewound in a day in the life of case, and we look at the night before the night before where the Shegal preface. Okay. The pre so we haven't even made it to gain the baby out of the crib yet. Some have called me loquacious Anyway. So get get the baby out and I just snuggle with him in the morning is so special. We have our routine and we just have coffee and he has his milk in like a little breakfast and we watch one cartoon and right now I'm also binge watching Bluey I would like to give a major shoutout to the Australian cartoon Bluey. It is so wholesome and Steph. Obscure but it is fantastic. It has a growing fan base in the United States? So I highly recommend it on border they actually incorporate really neat music as well. Good things. It's like five to seven minutes is very on point is relevant. It actually teaches compassion for kids kindness. Really can't say enough good thing. So. We do like a little morning routine and then a work day I zoom up the stairs I grabbed the lab coat and then I hop on a nine am call and it's with an outreach peer support group that I'm in and so I work alongside other counselors and clinical health psychologists, and we make phone calls and do telephonic outreach support to frontline healthcare workers that are fighting the covid nineteen pandemic right now within our healthcare system. So I do that and then I also see individual patients over and online platform, but hip compliant and secure. And I get to see all my normal caseload, which is amazing and Then I just Kinda work you know I just work up here in the tower as I call it. My Tower and I try to set a good boundary of being done around that typical time five. You know sometimes it turns into five thirty. If a crisis call comes in, maybe it seven, you know it's just whatever is required of the job and then I go back downstairs and hop into life as mom and I know I reference our animals but I try to make it out to help take care of a beloved Horse Meek that use sweetie. She's so cute. She's senior aged. So we say that she is a golden girl. She is Harman Golden Girl. That's true. You know. and. So yeah. just feeding horses getting the dog's Fed getting the baby fed and then somewhere in between there, I'm. Her and daughter to our MOM and. A wife to my loving husband and so and I mean I hope I'm like an okay. sister-in-law Dan. Feel horse accolades. Lutely I mean you guys were like trade and Guitar Secrets the other day. Learn was asking, what does it mean? You know 'cause we recently got a guitar and that would be something else just new change in our life. You know I'm I'm a violinist and nowhere near as good as you are Nina and never even dreamed to be but I still love it. It's in my bones I love music and so just we've gotten out the violent and the Atari we played sometimes struggle and that's the first starring, Bette my husband. collaborated on and. It's just we're humming you know different verses, but it's just so yeah, it's spot on but you know then it's like dinner it's a walk around the neighborhood and it's it's the tender time is the MOMS call it right? Like stories and pajamas and all that sweet time to be together as a family in then we wind down and I find it to be. Like Oh, my goodness, a thirty or nine o'clock eastern time and on just beat. But then that's when you know a fun show will come on and we just kind of veg out and I I guess I would be remiss if I didn't just in Kinda speak to how the pandemic has changed things It's just I've had to really flex the muscle of. Really, following my own ethical code of being a social worker and leaving work at work and having to have a good routine of washing some of those more difficult cases literally off, you know if anything in two thousand, twenty, we've all learned how to wash your hands. I've really try to make sure that I've just set those boundaries because now it's an immediate commute I half out of one patience trauma story and I go and I pick up my own little boy. and. That is just a very quick whiplash and it's taken a toll on me but definitely have tried to just do the best that could. Yeah. So. I think leaving work at work is really hard when you're working at home. And when we live in a society where even pre pandemic everything was twenty, four, seven accessibility wanting answers. Now you know I think people are impatient like more impatient right now than they have been in a while but you know we we touched on resilience a little bit ago and what that means and. What does? So is your definition of resilience the same as you case in the human and the MOM and the sister, and the daughter, the same as case in the the therapist. I think it is. My I got answer is yes. Gut Yeah Yeah I definitely think the one thing I love about my job is just being able to quantify things and measure things. That's one thing I'm just really proud of learning in the opportunity that I had is I didn't just start off as a counselor. I was able to Kinda work my way up and my first position it had an emphasis on. Psychological testing, and so there's a lot of statistics involve who Dan I know you like that. Numbers you know, but you're trying to quantify an emotion or quantify how you're feeling. You know how depressed are you on a scale right? So numbers came in. So in my therapy work when I think about resilience, I'm thinking how can I measure this? How can I measure my patients progress and see that they are doing better you know see that they are improving and then who I am kind of outside of that but also always kind of wearing the counselor hat as well. I think that I see resilience like play out in a more organic way in a natural way and I try not to quantify it as much because I think if I. Did it would just be this expectation of like I'm always trying to get this perfect number and perfectionism as we know not only is just one of the big five personality traits, but it's just a rooted in a lot of different things. Smith can kind of go pretty down slippery slope. I would say this that need for getting it right all the time. So resilience to me professionally and personally I think it's really interwoven and especially because I genuinely care about every single person that I work with and that I council with and just have that true heart to see them improve and get better and reach goals and then resiliency in my own life i. Wow I have to Kinda just totally shift into a different head space. 'cause it's easy to forget all of your wounds and scars and issues when you are about persons rock day in and day out and so I kind of come back to meet myself in those moments and then I kinda get a gauge on resilient I am but there's no paper scoring test monitoring that you know. So. It's it's different. I hope I, answered your question. Okay. I absolutely it's a great question. I've never been asked that before. Today's the day. I think the struggle for perfection something that we. Struggle with over here as well. And to tie this back in. Very. Importantly. We also have a morning coffee ritual we do. However, ours is a lot more like the myth of Sisyphus. Where we get up and we grind those beans, smack the microphone I did it I see. Album out. So we get up every morning. We make this coffee. It's not perfect. and. Our boulder just rolls back down the hill and we have to push it back up the next day. That is our most resilient act. I mean, luckily one, we do wake up and make more coffee shoot. True. We haven't given up on purchase. So perfect. French. Press. We're trying. To struggle though we've been really struggling. So this this is okay. So we talked about like real life struggles and you know we've talked again but one of the things that I believe is that. You know you to have a sense of humor, right and so having a sense of humor is part of the resilience and one day. Maybe one day we'll get into a personal story but case in both in have been tested over the past fifteen years on resiliency in in our own in our in our personal lives, and so I think that's something that she and I despite you know not even as therapists are Or whatever. But just on our own, we've worked on that and So, but you know to go back to the coffee here real quick that has been such a struggle and I'm going to need. For the HEB. At Bunker Hill I'm going to say that. Okay. I'M GONNA. Say say hello to get some cats coffee. That is not roasted in August okay. Like it has been months since they have had fresh coffee in our. No. Our first world problem here it is. Even it's even more specific than that because we were at the grocery store the other day and they had coffee. was roasted within the last two weeks in every single variety of cats offi except the one that we want clint exactly and we have been to other HEB's in the city like and that's another thing is I don't understand why the are not stocking black diamond coffee. And so you go to the one over Washington. Go to the one in Montross you go to the my least favorite. On the planet which I won't say where that one is just because I don't want to shame them but they do not even have it. I'm like where is the copy? This is from Roster. Right and so we have been on this quest for fresh copy. So the other day we actually we voted on what was that Friday vote really early in the morning like we went. Awesome Yeah. Everybody early vote in or vote just just boat. That's all So it's all about that but our coffee was so sad at home that we were like, what do we do? And so we went on this like pilgrimage at. Like before it's like ADM and we're driving around trying to find this coffee shop and we turned on the wrong street and then we found it definitely forgot what wrote it was on, he did and then. Yet, and so we ended up with a with a coffee from Dallas and it had just been roasted like a couple of weeks ago and. and. It was good. Was it. Yes okay. It tasted good. But I didn't like the roast I know this we've gone off the. Coffee. It's really important and so like our ritual you know we're talking about rituals here you know in about like a day in the life and the way you start your day is really important and so one of the things I try to do like as soon as I wake up I, try not to look at my phone I don't look at social media I think that makes me super anxious if I do that and I just want to have what we call leisure coffee and I want to have this time to sit just like that every and I do I do say. But. You know just I wanNA have my ritual in the morning of having like a slow cup of coffee and it better tastes good. Delicious I and I want it to be delicious and. Frazier. Well, yeah and what you're afraid you're turning into Niles right? 'cause you're like, oh, Dustin hand neuroses another one of the big five personality traits, right neurosis neuroticism and I mean. Yeah, it's just all these different things come out but the importance of humor you are spot on absolutely humor is just you've got to go there and keep things light and talk about things like happy rituals in laugh about different you know funny occurrences and then find the humor and the things that are not so funny you know there if there is that silver lining, you know sometimes maybe it's not but you can kind of get close you can get to the adjacent cloud right But I think that the the coffee is super important you like what you like and maybe this time at home has really sharpened that and you know what you can. You know how you like it and that just increases self-awareness right? Like we just know more about who we are as people in how we take. Exactly. So, what we learned is that we are the people who are GonNa go directly to cats coffee. We're going to tomorrow Oh buy directly from them and be like can we get some? That's fresh. Yeah. On lunch break we're going to go and be like. Pardon me also wire you not selling pound bags anymore. That's a whole. It's a whole different situation. That's also well, but still so you know there's been a lot of upset in in the Coffee Chang off your region it goes back to where we were saying, right? In the small details and then in the very very big details the ones that really matter of just this whole year everything feels a little different or altered. Or change is afoot and it's funny because I feel like changes just constant and That's really the only constant thing right that we can truly bank on is that there's going to be some sort of evolution of something. So good luck to you guys in your lunch break. Coffee Scouting mission. We? Will. Try you know and I think. Funny what you just said about change and there's this line from this is from. Little women the movie The nineteen, ninety-four version, the winona Ryder version but. But This. This. I got. To say that change will come as surely as the seasons twice as quick and we make our peace with it as best we can. And ever since I was a kid like ever since that movie came out I don't know I don't know what was wrong with me in the fourth grade but just like stuck with be. Wrong with you nothing was wrong with you in the fourth grade you were ahead of your time. Might drop. Like. We were playing barbies, downstairs and watch and little women upstairs. So You know nowhere else. We were watching little women. You know where in the cheapest. Van Yes biscuit absolutely TB scanned. Did you have? No you had a dodge some. There is the Aerostar we were just talking about last week last episode starring to Caravan. The vans that moved us feel like this is my new podcast. Hey you better. Get One before you know if you guys are thinking about riding around the country, you're gonNA need something more than your. Third Twitter username reserve for Wednesday and other this. Gas Somebody will sign up for it vans that move this. Golly that's profound. Yes i. mean you're right. We have considered. There's we always joke like we could just totally hang up the rat race and that's what we call it. We can hang up these these jobs. These jobs you know in just hop in RV and Camper Mickey Mouse Style and just get it. You know we just go see the country I. Wish we could stick like wings on it and fly overseas. Go to Ireland right. We would be in Ireland absolutely if we could. One hundred percent and maybe that will happen Dan's Monday. I've never been. More that's okay. Well. It isn't magical and not just in the CLICHE. It sense. It really is a very beautiful place. Guinness as also magical well. I didn't know we learned today. Rush well, okay. True. Everything's better when it's fresh coffee. Okay also. That the Guinness World Book of Records started off as Guinness. What is it Guinness? What did I say World Poker? Book. We want take off the Guinness Book of world. Records that one. Okay. Started actually like Guinness as in the Beer Guinness that's where it started to like. To settle like bar. Pub Disputes. Very. Yeah. We learned that was my fun fact of the day that I learned having leisure coffee this morning watching. CBS Sunday morning. which is like the Sunday ritual. Those I. Yeah. Yeah it was really. Really. Cool. So So I have one last question before we. Hang up the hat on this show. That was a weird thing to say but. All right. What is the funniest thing you witnessed today or that happened today because there is there's some unfunny long like every day. Oh. Wow. What's the funniest thing that I witness? Yeah you witnessed today or that happened today. Oh man this. Is a Sunday. To answer this I. He can think about if y'all want some time to think. So awkwardly laws and. You, guys can awkwardly positive or I mean I will tell you mine. You know I was coming home from from work today, and there's lots of kids in our neighborhood. And there were these two little kids that were playing in the middle of the street and usually they're not playing in the street. They're usually playing in their yard and I was like what is happening and so you know I slow down obviously and I got closer and they were covered head to toe in mud and there was mud in the street, and then there is a psych mud pit in their yard and their parents. I guess side and these two little boys had like just smothered mud all over themselves and all over each other and they were so proud and they were like the looks on their faces but like. We did it and so that was that was the funniest thing like made me laugh really hard. Because they were just so excited and then they you know they got back in their yard and they're like he he. Just made me laugh. It was amazing. adorable. We also got followed by a little dachshund today that was like and I find his home because he apparently he looked like he had gotten out of his yard and was like on a freedom. Proud of. Accept, so happy to be out and free he was sniffing like all the things and he kinda chases for a little while and then we weren't as interesting as the trash can. So we'll trust kid and had its own unique smell easily wanted to. He really wanted it. So pretty good. I mean I saw someone make a right turn out of the left turn lane. I don't know if that's funny though Steiner. See that's my new thing. So Be on the lookout for dear Houston drivers, which are going to be some letters to all the Houston drivers from be. And so like every day, we just start letters really dear Houston driver I. saw you turn left out of the right turn lane today. I get it together, get together, y'all. Wow. My days to spend more exhausting than. Funny. You had a long day. So. Well. You case the funniest thing that happened to me today was when I was out at the barn giving my horse of bath. Some of the conditioner. Ricocheted. Off a Seinfeld reference there right and it came in at me and I got to taste what it what it's like to be. squeaky clean beautiful main worst here in tale. How did it taste? IT TASTED NASTY It was not pleasant. It was not fresh. But Hey, i. also, just kind of laughed I did my own Emoji face and said twenty twenty you know. You just kind of roll with it whatever happens this year. zillions. Yeah. I feel like we didn't even get to talk too much about resilience than I am remiss in no I think that you know I think all of it is about being resilient and. So. I was resilient today when I was driving. And this lady in Pink Golf Cart was on a walk with her husband. So our Manfred was walking a dog and she was just trailing him on the wrong side of the road in her pink golf cart. On a little journey together driving the golf cart just got walking driving that they were on a stroll, but she was driving a golf cart on the wrong side. And so then when I turn the corner to go down the street, they didn't both pullover to the same side they went to opposite sides. and. So then I just stopped and I just looked at them I was like. What are you doing, and then we all just waved at each other and I drove through like the dog and the man and the lady in the. Golf Cart and then I wrote another episode of Deer Houston driver. So. Yeah. Fun, time it was a good time. Yeah. We got caught behind some cyclists this morning and. Full. Disclosure I am a cyclist I have ridden multiple ms one fifty s and it's a lot of fun and I'm out of practice and would like to get back to it right it's up but. I firmly believe that if you're on a bicycle in the road, you have to follow the rules And I got very upset today because there was a gentleman on his bicycle. Who is not following the rules however, he was wearing a Jersey had the roles on that had basically it had a big arrow pointing to his left and it said three feet. As in he's telling the is behind him to make sure they give him his three feet which Texas law says, if you're driving on the road next to a cyclist, you're not supposed to pass closer than three feet from which is a great rule but it's like you sir cannot be riding around all like crazy in the middle of the. Not Riding in a straight line. Yet also passive aggressively yelling at me with your back to stay three feet away. Okay, I do have say interject on this car ride this morning. Here's what we saw. We. saw. Okay, we saw this man who was running and I'm doing air quotes he was on a run and he. came up to this like electrical box. Box. And there was a bottle of water on it, which we are hoping was his to begin with. We're going to assume and he just picked it up and started drinking out of it like he was not near the box. So we don't know if on his way he left it there. That's like is like water stash, and then he comes back for his way back he was doing an outback and so he Looked it on his way out so that he would have a drink on the way back but you know the thing that's like this. So we've talked a lot about Houston weather and the weather's really weird right now. So this morning, the air was just wet it wasn't raining, but it was just like moist outside and it was i. don't know like sixty something degrees so felt felt weird and this guy was running. Air quotes running without a shirt on like just shorts. Bit Right in front of them was women who had on the giant EST puffy coat. Likes like. puffy coat Parka, puffy coat, and Leggings, and and then ski. Yes she looked like she was about to go skiing. And it was like what is happening and then two seconds later then we see the guy with the with the Jersey so this one. Shirt. But it was definitely what season is. I know it's true here in Houston. As soon as it is cold enough cold enough as soon as it is not hot to the point that you can wear a jacket outdoors and not die of heat stroke we get out our summer or winter coats some change. That's funny. Yeah. We will take any excuse to wear a Hoodie. Or Jacket. Because if you wait for it to actually be called, you might just have to go a couple years without wearing it. It's true a Toboggan to buy. Wool Cap. Yeah Long Johns I. Don't know. Questioned. To read to rewind few sentences ago when you said Texas Law Did you by chance do the very admirable yet obscure kind of like bobble of the head like granny does in Talladega nights and she says Granny Law. Because if not, I think you need to integrate this, I'm just saying you know communication is verbal and nonverbal work. You can definitely when you say Texas law I, think you might want to incorporate a little bobble. Wash move again it's been a long time has been bobby. Yeah. All right man you know casing. Thank you so much for being on the show. It has been really fun to talk to you in really appreciate your insight on You know just. Really pretty much everything. From. The the head bobble to you know even more serious things site resilient and taking care of our mental health and it's really appreciate you being on here. I'm -solutely thank you guys for having me and I do really feel like I wish we had more time. You know I just feel like we've only skimmed the surface. This is just such like the thirty thousand foot of you know three doesn't feed a view And for sure I don't know if there's a way to maybe include like some resources and links if y'all ever share that kind of thing. Yes. Absolutely every every show for anyone who hasn't seen this a few. It's hard to find them like apple podcasts but if you go to Pivot Party Dot pod bean dot com you can click on an episode and there are show notes that are Generally in addition to links to our socials and stuff. When an episode summary, we will also leak. Things that we reference things that people mention and want to share. So yeah, there will definitely be a place where we could have a whole list of resources. I. Think it's one of those things when a social worker gets asked about resources and they aren't able to just you know like spew it off like one, two three it's like Oh, my goodness you know I just would my heart would hurt like if somebody's listening and just thinks gosh, I really want just an exact name of something you know and so I would love to be able to share book titles or different like audio file downloads or just. Even. Like one page handouts or something like that. You know it's just powerful to be reminded of what can you do? What can you hope for? What can you believe in? What can you kind of just rally behind as in terms of resources like reading it, experiencing it, talking about it, getting out and moving eating well, sleeping all of that. You know there's so many different great things right at our fingertips, but then to be able to have a very user friendly tool. Key to taking care of our mental health during a time of change. 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Tackling Teacher Workload with Katy Edwards and Sarah Cason


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Tackling Teacher Workload with Katy Edwards and Sarah Cason

"And hello again and welcome back to the P._G.. podcast this is episode twenty one and it's the final episode of the Academic Year Two thousand eighteen nineteen. We've made it. We have gosh that's that's really quite sad. It's the end we'll put some things out over the summer just to keep people vaguely interested but this is our last proper one twenty-one episodes in and we're on the road again. We are on the road. We are at Palmist in Primary School in Barry Sim Berry Berry early Australia Murray and we've got two guests. I think I've traveled so much over over the last few months with this podcast didn't whether I'm coming going all being but it's Larry's Baheren Berry and we have to lovely guests. I didn't know whether you'd like to introduce yourselves right hi. I'm Katie Edwards. I'm the head teacher Palmerston primary school and Hello. I'm Sarah case and I'm deputy head. Welcome T. both and we should say that these two lovely people have been involved in designing our brand new P._G.. Programs which is starting next year so that's how we've come to meet them but that's not the reason we're here. It's it's not the reason we're here and actually this came out of working together collaboratively over our new programs and this is a passion project of yours. Would you say Oh yeah absolutely with the workload massively huge huge passionate of ours and we've been working closely with Walsh government on the four consortia to drive forward because it's just something that's just so important so we're here to talk all about work. We've got some facts at seventy to begin with Tom. You're the knotty issue of workloads which are often comes up when he speak to any teachers this interesting. I've always thought that if you if you look at the news about teaching and people outside the profession often think that the thing that is most it's difficult teaching is actually being in a classroom with people's being unruly and all about it is isn't it absolutely is the best bid and if you speak to an actual real life teacher they will often tell you that the that really does make people want to run for the hills as the workload and we've got a statistic here from your very own powerpoint presentation that you sent to a saying that thirty four percent of schoolteachers would like to leave the profession within the next three years which is really scary statistic statistic business and from your experience and the work even doing on this what are the kind of key issues that teaches her experiencing in relation to work load well. I think the biggest one that everyone will comment on new C. so much in the media jazz especially on platforms such twitter and things is marking of course mocking feedback. What's the other two main elements? Certainly that's being pushed forward by the reducing workload agenda and posters handouts. Thanks a lot is planning can possibly you know impact on workload as well as data analysis and things are so they're the three main elements or areas that are cause for concern the three things I guess that no matter what stage you're in your training or in your teaching career planning marketing and data are going to affect your job even if you're a novice so this is an all encompassing issue that teaches will experience no matter what international location you're in a what point in your career okay. So what have you been looking at specifically in wooded to address this impacts dead and how have you been kind of coming out this well I thirst the main focus has been to do with marking and feedback ultimately I mean I'm not a great lover of the word marking anyway because it it is what it is almost a it's a mark on the page but feedback. It's a non negotiable children need feedback. Everybody needs feedback and that for us was our biggest starting point and you know something that we talk about so much is that things do have to get hard sometimes for they get easier because to be really good at feedback for certain as a staff. It's been a new learning process because it's just so much more than just what you say to the child or what's written down. I think very much like a lot of schools. We had disproportionate value given to written feedback ball. That's the way we've always done so you know it's one of those. If if you keep doing what you've always done you'll get what you've always got so for us. That's where that's what we were looking at is. What does our written feedback look like you know what impact does it half and I think that's the biggest thing is whatever you do? It's all all about actually the impact that house on raising standards and improving the work that the children do so we've spent many years kind of unpicking everything and really openly talking talking about it with the staff. I think that's another thing and hopefully we'll talk a bit more about it. Later is when you create a feedback policy or a marking policy. Oh whatever you want to call it. I think sometimes people can create policy. It's being done. That's the way we do it. We don't talk about it but we need policies to create consistency bought we review hours every six weeks and our policy is comes from the staff because it's the teachers on that's the allies as they're the ones that are on the ground are the ones that are doing it day in day out. It's all very well for me as a leader to be dictating to people about what they should be doing because I've googled there. I've looked at best practice and other schools but every school is completely different and every school is unique so on the people that know your children the best all the people over the Children Day in day out in the classrooms so we've actually had our teachers analysis as they have written the policy bought built every six weeks we review it with the main focus being on workload and having those open conversations which are not sometimes conversations you want to have because you're scared or what's going to be sad football. I think it's being brave as being the grassroots of it as well and standing that we'll have this common goal where we do want to improve experiences for our children so we're all coming at it from the same angle but what we're all saying we've got that culture and honesty where we can say. We're look you know that's a wonderful idea. However is that the best and efficient way of doing it so it's having those roar and honest conversations where everybody has a voice? Everybody can be part of that citizens as well okay. We'll try. We'll have a go and we'll come back and we'll review it. I think we all come to know that the research says that feedback has a huge impact on pupils and of course the beauty of written feedback is that so we mentioned this in a previous episode it covers your backside with your superiors because they can see that you've yes and I suppose as a teacher. It's tempting to just be able to show that to your senior management and as a senior leader it's tempting to be able to flash that stuff in front of Esten. So how have you gone about creating atmosphere where people feel confident to say that they're giving high-quality feedback without being able to kind of wave around. I think we know we've been able to laugh at ourselves to the degree when you know you can see sort of paragraphs whitten for full year old and at a time where accountability was high and everybody did it with the best of intentions you know we fall into the trump of triple marking and all sorts of things highlight show law be done it but I think you know for us. We we have a part to play in that where we we say we'll look you know we all understand that we need to keep those standards high. Yes accountability is really important but we've almost set to have a mindshift on how we look at those standards and how we look at people progress so the fists that was actually Torture Child. I mean it sounds quite revolutionary missionary but you know even if you're looking at book so you're looking at those evidence standards she the child is the person that can tell you how well they've done something or how confident they are talking about what they've achieved within lessons in their learning. You don't need the evidence that's written all the time. I think it was a huge cultural mindshift for us but actually having the star feel confident enough to know your saying what you believe. You're actually doing something about it as well we talked to the children of the children are just as confident about what they're doing. They can articulate what success excess looks like. They're doing we'll lose wonderful things but the teachers and for us on that Janney we realized that we can step back from that marquee now and say well standards is still high but we don't have to sit of stay three hours after school every night and write essays for for what out of children can't read it stop doing it. It's that commonsense approach. I suppose which is what we've thinking taking as well. It's changing that that the questions that you ask through yourself evaluation because certainly we've been there. I I remember the you know the book scrutiny for my used to have I think the first question was is marking up to date and actually we're not saying that there isn't a place for written marking because of their categorically is a place written market what we're saying is not to give it disproportionate proportionate value to other types of feedback and yeah the questions that we have now of completely changed the way that we carry out ourselves. Evaluation House changed. We used to do book scrutinise if you want to call them those anymore. Now we've changed the name we like to relabel things in education certainly sound great and as if we moved on learning reviews. What have you want to call them? We used to do them without the children and this is just saying you know going back to what Sarah side we wouldn't even think about doing. Ah You know looking at books now without having a child with you because you know if we all looking out you know ambitious capable learners what that means is that we want independent learners we want children who can talk about their work who can show us so you know a piece of work that they're proud of who can show us where they've made. A mistake may be where they've had feedback from teacher and then why they've acted upon that feedback and children can talk about those things if they are if we are talking walking about learning with our children all the time and it's not just something that's dawn once or twice a year one atom t want to gather a new books and do it in such a distant way. It's really refreshing. Actually it took a he talking into practical terms about solutions to workload and as we know goes hand-in-hand with wellbeing I saw an interesting tweet a few months ago now about wellbeing and teachers quite strongly on twitter saying we don't want Yoga Times on. We don't want to be given chocolate on Friday. We don't want leasing sorry to thinking zoster. Exactly we just want practical solution just have impact on our peoples on our own wellbeing as a byproduct but a happy biproduct where the kids are making progress when South flagellating and we've go over work will happy healthy environmental you'll write tickle solution sound great yeah and if you create that right culture where you can have the honesty of discussion and people feel valued why they speak and I think that's the first step in things you know having mindfulness on a Friday afternoon when you want to go home when you've been marking the five hours every night I mean that that goes against the grain in it's almost the irony of it'll but you know get your culture right have those on his conversations and put a bit of common sense back into teaching as well. I think if you can justify something and you showing that you still have impact stunned his aunt dropping. You know nobody's saying don't mark anymore. Don't speak to a child but actually look at what's working. Keep going with that and just keep having those conversations as well. It's something that has to be done not just as again a tick box lip service. We've looked at. wicklow wants this year. We've done it. You know we've put the ogre in it has to be something this living and breathing continually evolving even two point now. I think we have a governor. WHO's has the workload hat so again? In meetings they raise that their issues from the point of view of a workload slowed perspective so it's something which has to be there in the background all the time when you're making decisions and you're thinking about things so that it isn't lost as another fired or Nova thing that you have to do. It's I I. It's the same for formative assessment plays a key part in the curriculum but again where it can become an issue of workload is when it's a bolt on dawn unless there's this understanding that actually the Lincoln formative assessment and workloads should go hand in hand when children are doing more work than you in a lesson that that's one piece of the jigsaw were were can become much easier for you because you know your investment in planning has gone into creating the you know the right atmosphere and the right environment to facilitate their independent so it's tweaking lots of practice and and looking at the common percents and thinking. Why are we still doing it even within sort of coding policies you know they've had their saying you know in the issue workload but even that sort of two point has to be reviewed and looked at and thinking well has become another fat or is it something which really is working began making life easier for us but we've really tried about putting the common sense back into things I think definitely we've been on this journey for quite a few years as I mentioned before you know we we've made so so many mistakes but I think that the key to it has been that we've we we try something out? We have an idea you know majority of the time you know it comes from the staff now initially it was me as a leader coming in with trying out new ideas you know in terms of giving feedback but we go away. We try them out together as a staff but we don't allow those mistakes or we don't allow if something's going wrong. It doesn't have a long time for it to go wrong because we review it you know as a say six weekly and we're still doing now and it means that we can stop if things aren't working out and we can change or we can keep things if they are working very well but we we don't we certainly don't write a policy. Put in place in September and then review it you know in two years time as can happen and as I say you know a lot mistakes have be made also we did go through a phase where everyone was finding incredibly incredibly hard. The workload actually went up because what we were doing was we were trying to remastered how to give incredibly good quality feedback now. At the time we were doing that through written feedback feedback which is what Sarah was was talking about because we will learning and until you know how to give good quality feedback. It doesn't matter whether it's written or it's given through verbal feedback you have to master it because feedback can be bad as well as being good and it can be not not done very efficiently and so it took us a while to really master questioning good-quality not questioning as I say we did it through more of a written style to start with and again going back to the evidence that you were talking about how we go into evidence. They responded to that question. Oh we'll do it through a written method but we did go through that I so we we can have a bit of a laugh about it. Now really on reflection certainly two years ago. We all talk about it as a staff and say oh my gosh to your number two years ago how how horrific it was both we're. We're in a place now. Wow whereby you know everybody is radio skeleton giving goodfeet good-quality feedback and therefore we can upscale the children and because once the teachers are upskilled and given feedback then the children can become upscale and giving feedback and then you can you can certainly you know you've created an independent learner who can give excellent peer assessor an excellent self assessor and if you got the children being able to pair US ass onto south of SAS then that's worse our was talking about the fact that you know you wanna be getting the children to be doing that work. They should be working harder than the teacher. Which is I think certainly the historical view is the kids do the work that a teacher goes away and takes the thirty books home and spend hours and hours and hours day in day out always assessing the children's work well actually that's not creating an independent learner Amer and I a huge fans of the education indictment I went foundation website because they have a series of interventions things you can do as a leader that will will affect your pupils in school and the one on feedback? I imagine probably grabs the attention of cash-strapped strapped senior leaders quite a lot of time because it basically says the impact of really good feedback is huge and effectively free because you don't have to buy stuff but you have to drill down into the detail because once you read the handout on it which is a couple of pages long if anyone's looking to find it it says watch out you know the devils in the detail bad feedback is terrible so you've got to do it right and later after by lots of shiny kit in order to see this intervention you have to invest an awful lot of time and effort into good quality see feedback by staff which is training exercise exactly what you've just SORTA is looking to here are impractical setting yeah and it's no surprise to me. That top of the Hattie ranking list is collective teacher efficacy we as a key influential factor on people progress when I hear you talking about policy being something that is rolling and constantly in development living breathing but also the fact that staffer enfranchised in that if evaluative developmental process then of course they going to feel like they are on board with something they feel they are directly shaping and chipping away at and making right. It's not something that's is being dictated from on high that sticking-plaster that may or may not have have any impact so it's really it sounds to me like what the O._e._C._d.. We're getting out with schools is learning organizations collapses Glade Guy and I think what I feel really passionate about. Is We demystify this word as well because so offered it seen as this abstract theoretical exercise but for us. It's looking at theorist. You know we've research what Dylan William Thanks David Dow and we've looked at theorists. We don't like Mike but it'd be done on such a level that you know style if we can talk about sort of aspects of these theories but go away and think well actually just that work for us. Let's go way have a play with it. Let's try it. That's trial it. Come back to a baseline. Let's look at the impact of it. It's not sort of something that we think Oh. We're doing actual research now which is part and parcel. It's it's embedded and everybody houses investment of making the school even better and trying to improve things for everybody but it's not suddenly something that we've now put a label onto. It's just good practice and I think one thing that I do want to really get across though is I think yes everything that we're doing from an outsider's point of view. Isn't it great bought the only reason that we're able to do what we can do is that we passionately believe and culture and creating a culture whereby people do feel that they can contribute to the policy that they do feel also that they can say look Katie Katie. This isn't working for me but not just to say that I encourage the staff to do is yes. We all those always barriers. There's always things that come up dot com with a solution comb with will okay okay. If if you feel that this isn't working what can we do come up with an idea of what we could do. Instead that would have just as much impact but again would reduce that workload in it'll bit further feel sorry to that extent tissue trainees you only take a lot of trade as they attend the way we've talked about the policy and how we do it a lot a lot of how develop our formative assessments which all comes into Offi about policy and everything is through staff meetings or insects or wherever you want to call them twilights on no different people calling different things don't they our students of course a attend our meetings and everybody has a say or at lease feels that they can. I think the biggest thing is I want my staff and always do to be able to say. Do you know what I don't think I know undoing because I think that historically what tends to happen is that you have an insight and sat somebody stands up. They deliver message. Everybody nods away or yawns because it's it's about time isn't the end of the people are tired but we've had so many open conversations where actually I've held Mahinda up. You know inside. You know what I I'm not to clear about. What this new thing is or this element is? Does anybody else feel the same yes people and feel like they can be honest about things then we you can have conversations. We talked a lot about because we do a lot of action research whereby we come with an idea. Maybe people you know we were talking about theorists and talking about all of those kind of things people go away. They do their own research or they try things out one one of our biggest conversations when we come back and regroup within that half to is actually the mistakes that we made you know I'm what didn't work and it might be that something just didn't work with that particular class but again. It's all part of the self. Evaluations situations are valuation is not something that's done at the end of the year for us. It's done all the time and on one of the driving forces and vehicles for that to happen is through our staff meetings. I'm certainly you know. Students are fully involved in that because we're role at different parts and our journey. You know it's interesting at shows listening to Thomas about the F. and there's a very recent podcast that's come out about feedback and Dylan. William is interviewed at the beginning and he talks about a dummies term but this is eight hundred for kind of professional learning communities and what you're describing there is is that culture of of being able to make mistakes. Try Things I two inquiry action but he talks as well about accountability and support go being two besides the same coin so that supportive accountability so we're GONNA try s we are accountable to one another but we're supporting one another in that. It's not quite challenging because he was saying about feedback and doing it right. He's a longer process than similar huge learning curve and Gosh how many years has A._F._l.. Being around for you know bought there are still so many teachers out there and I fully understand this that still don't quite get it. You know not so k. you know by think unless we know that people feel like that they can say that they're not as confident. Maybe in that Sir an area. You're Never GonNa win and you never going to improve but people need to be able to feel like they can say oh. Do you know what in this area. I'm not as great in this area. You know I got I got teachers here and Dallas as who have got incredible strengths but in lots of different areas you know but they are. There's a culture he at whereby also they admit quite openly the areas that they're not so confident and and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that because unless we're honest we can't develop and we can't improve something that I really encourage here and we all work together as a team and we support another so we've talked a lot about marketing and feedback here which is one of the three you kind of key areas linking work late identified the start. You talked about dictators about planning. I know one that will be really K.. To our novice teachers. Teach Chinese will be planning yeah. Tell us a little bit about how you have tackled workload. Related to planning those issues will we've been reviewing are planning quite a lot. We I mean we reviewed many schools. Do It's not it's not just as you know my main thing. All the time is what is necessary A._M.. Waters unnecessary now of course when you're starting out as a teacher and when you're starting our forget largely when you're starting anything that's new to you you you do have to work harder. Don't you to sort of get that the whole process of learning so certainly when your new to anything a bit like we're merging or marking. We were writing a lot more than we probably need to trying to go and I would say the same COMESA planning you almost over plan. Don't do a need to go through uh-huh process until you become a master of it so therefore I think certainly here. One thing that we're doing is the I have one teacher here who I mean I've got to be honest. I caught big. My teachers opened off because they are aw all completely amazing by one teacher here that I've spoken to who is just really really good at mentor and nurturing teachers as well as students that you know only lasts experienced and it's not just about just going through planning process of a sheet and can you fell in the empty boxes. I've put her in place and released her and given her time to actually work side by side with the teachers again and it all comes back to feedback to just support them during school hours as well. This is not about additional working hours in a day and staying staying late but to actually go through the process with them of a lot of it is always down to the purpose of why you're doing it but ass you become more experienced some become a master of it then you can actually start looking at what is absolutely necessary. I'm what's not you know what's having impact what is not we've reviewed are planning finding recently and the intensive one example as a student teacher. You're required to write the content of less sitting as a sliding scale. It like to think that that will hopefully sit in the future now become less and less the more you've learned you craft and the more you've shown demonstrated that you've talked about standard or you feel more confident there that I'd like to think that that would be sitting here element within planning that will be reduced at the beginning you need it so it becomes effortless then and it's part of your psyche setting for us. That's not something we dwell on so much now. Now it's the bare bones but for us in terms of formative assessment. Maybe there's an element with the modeling invest time thinking Gosh if there's a element within lesson that requires modeling so that you can deconstruct something to look at what good looks like we'll have those conversations about what would be expected from certain elements that leverage on writing something like that. Maybe time within planning we'll be invested in creating good quality models of finding research booklets whatever it is newspaper articles so that you've not so much time last as opposed planning I mean we've got three points. My teachers are incredibly incredibly experienced but our planning really just contains now the learning of jet seven the purpose of the bigger picture why the children doing it and we're doing a lot of work at the moment of actually really just digging a little bit deeper holding on a bit more about it's not just a case of Sharon the learning objective but to actually taught the children the actual purpose of why they're doing it where yeah just this fit into the bigger world and then they plan and obviously look then at the success criteria which we do a lot of time not always but through differentiated success criteria but yes you're. You're putting those as a teacher you've got the idea of what the success criteria is of course what you want is the children to actually be able to create the successor arterial come up with the in class and the way to do that is the modeling is what comes rarely between the learning objective and the success tyrian being co constructed so our P._p._a.. Time we want our teachers now to be spending more time on preparing resources for that modeling so there by the children can create that you know what they need to be successful as opposed to spending all the time writing about content national curriculum links that does need to happen at the beginning. I'm so that you do sort of understand but when you become mm so good with the the curriculum links all the literacy numeracy framework. Can you really know where your children are going and you have different ways of monitoring and recording it you can start weaning away from US yeah and I think it falls foul if the same issues of accountability to because I think in in theory we want to instill those really good foundational skills knowledge understanding about planning as you say are going to be committed to memory. They're going it'd be there constant mental model to teach first podcast couple of weeks ago that they can draw upon regularly but they also know as teach trainees that somebody's going to be scrutinized lesson plan and their countable for this lesson plan and therefore maybe right rains marine so I guess it's kind of splitting the difference with our teach trains. They really truly understand something when they realized that we're not watching them. We're watching their learners and how learn is responding to the rear of their plan. I think it's all part aw of the learning process though isn't it you know that when when you're doing something new all of your energy goes on you on yourself because all you're doing is thinking about your lesson that you need to teach in the content that you need that needs to go into the has to happen to a point. I think sometimes we can be really hard on ourselves. You know because it has to happen but actually you're absolutely right. The endgame is where we want to be is that delivering a lesson or however view won't support. It should be effortless so the actually all of your energy is on actually what the children are learning on you constantly constantly constantly throughout that session throughout that lesson your assassin the children all of the time through questioning in an and different methods getting feedback from the children there and then in the lesson and then tweaking your plan you know you may not have ran it down but you have to go with the children but I think the starting point always says Gosh. I remember you know August you didn't that it's all about you. You know what I doesn't say it is it is really hard but yes there is accountability side of light. You know yes everything in place but there is a method behind the modernise well is a good final final sites that final scary which is data and speaking to the head here so I really liked to no one and about how data goes hand in hand wave workload issues and how you've tried to tackle those data driven issues to work lately data is information ultimately and you can get data. I'm telling you now gosh you can get data on every single part of a child's life if you want to and I think it's it's really about only collecting the data that has an impact and actually is useful. There's a lot of data out glad that you can use that is a duplicate data so we reviewed our data collection and the the things that we assess because there was a lot of assessments going on but I was questioning always will impact as it have. We've whittled it down now to the absolute necessary stuff that we need in our school. It's reading is an absolute compassion passionate passionate passionate or my it is the the bill and Endel for me. You know about getting children to read independently so that there is we we do collect data as a baseline September and and then we get another snapshot in December and then one in April one at the end of the year we also have we have a maths snapshot but we collect that data but I I'd say that Sarah and I we we tend to import. You're absolutely I think what we do. We filter it so that the onus is actually what important bits of the data that starts to know about as well and share with us to together we look at you know maybe the child that's plateauing or the child that see no underperforming. It's as you said it's is what you do without data and that's the interventions come in and we do something practically about it but we Sydney death by data has been a problem in the past but I think I as long as we use it sensibly cautiously and make sure every time we collect something for impact i. I think that's the key. Just don't do it because again. You've done it in the past all this. This is understanding that somebody out there needs it but actually as a school. It's purely just drive impact and that's all I'm pro McGrath because that's all facets y your all collecting data is that you know for me certainly as a had no Sarah just you know being leaders in the school I want to know are my children making the best possible progress that they can so Saron. I look look at the data together. We go through. It and I'm looking to see you know right. We got any children. You know. It's all individual so I can see. Have we got children that are making good progress excellent progress or we've got a few children here that you we know that progresses slowed down so then we start asking the questions and it's not about goes the teachers saying or why what's going on with this child the so many factors that can have an impact on pupils progress and we know our children inside and out how so we know if things have gone on at home we know if there's learning difficulties but then using the data to look at what provision do they need extra provisions. They need interventions. It certainly not using data to blame ever we do have conversations with the teachers and individually then every term we have pupil progress meetings so we meet with the teachers and allies as actually as well. We go through the class with but it's very very much to gather it's not about right to you need to sort this out but especially with something like reading it's then informs you're planning because we can be looking at reorganizing reading groups looking at different use of staffing within the school because it's all about the child. That's all that matters you know and that's why we're here to be the absolute best for our children. I think that's what helps as well people understand that is not just these randoms data drops. Everyone has to do all the time for the sake of it. When you see the big a page anything actually role in here to support the children and that's sensitive that sense of common purpose without the workload issue really having conversations? I've met senior leaders. You have an interesting data. My time I think is and people don't get sufficient training and how to deal with it when they find themselves in the upper reaches of a staff hierarchy on I find people at kind of playing with fire a little bit because well first of all it can be very misleading. It can tell you things that are not true and it can not tell you things that are too. I think also possibly even more toxically it can drive behaviors that based on impacting the data rather than impact in the people's. I mean how how have you kind of. They found cutting out the stuff. That doesn't matter we now. Have you been trained. I've never been a C._D.. Leader did they just make you do this stuff or do they give you training to to analyze data and to know what matters and what doesn't tallboy falling into those traps knowing. It's a snapshot. It's on that particular day that particular moment that's how child performed but it's talking to people listening to learners is talking to children absolutely it's one part of a very big jigsaw and. Seven understanding that it as you said it's not the whole child. It's a very small piece of it doesn't it. You know data does not replace a judgment informs a judgment but it is just information. I don't necessarily thoroughly remember having absolute training on data I just for myself as a leader of the school. I just sat up systems whereby I knew which data was important on which data you too wasn't again going back to what I said. There's a lot of staff. I've got rid of because again just because you've always been doing it doesn't mean it's right so it's actually looking out what is useful to know and what isn't just about twelve. Sarah says that data you is a snapshot. It's a snapshot of that day and actually the biggest thing to look at trends not. Let's have a locker that figure that standardized score that reading age. This is why we have tracking sheets were on this is why we don't just collect data and September and collect in July. I'M NOT GONNA wait an entire year to find out that we've completely failed little johnny and he's he's gone backwards in the world or stayed on a plateau. I want keep checking in on him. We have some data that we collect every half term and then we have a different type of data that we collect Termoli but for me the reason why I'm doing it is not accountability on the teachers side. It's about the child and there's no way I'm going to allow allow a child in my school will go a whole year without me checking in on them. Just look at you know looking at their progress. Yes some children. They go back a little bit you know have you convinced his staff of that Katy because I hear in some settings writings have regular data drop and teachers maybe feeling the pressure of having to show progress and maybe manufacturing and inflating the grades or the levels. Oh whatever the measure is that you're using say not have come back culture honesty conversations and saying you know look this is not a stick to beat you with. This is just all this isn't about you. Sir You know this is not a Bauer yes of course the impact teacher can have on a child's life in school connive obey phenomenal or it can be detrimental and no teacher comes into this profession fashion to be rubber shut their job and to have a negative impact on children's lives. I can tell you now. There's not one teach there that comes with that chewed. All teachers and people at work in schools are here because they love children and they you want to have such a positive impact so it's when you're having those meetings again. It's it's getting it's cutting staff to be a part of that. It's not just something that's being done in a room very much like book scrutiny or learning Reviews News. It's not about S._M._T._p.. Doing and coming back to the teacher to the fee but four more MT analyzing data and then Sunday you know give giving you a piece of paper say how badly class of Dodd it's involving them in that process. You know I'm by doing it throughout the year. The teacher wants their class to to do well so if you if you find out a few weeks in actually right we've got concerns what you think about these children. What can we do any teacher or member? Staff will be all aw well. How about we do this and like all right? Let's try out. Let's go for it and then let's regroup again at Christmas. We'll have a look and sale. They're gone sitting for us in our school. It's three times a year so it'd letting that's not unwieldly the real assessment goes on day-to-day does met when Aniela this next steps for child when formative assessment is used properly. You know your subconsciously almost driving this person checking in but I think whereas there may be a horror story in other schools. I don't know city as a conversation with having and why are we doing this and how often stood more formerly and Louis to make sure that I am the absolute blast for my children. You know thank you very much. That was really good refreshing. Watching deep discussion about workloads looked up very practical impracticable stunts. Thank you both thank you very much. I think what do we have our regular slots the wellbeing slot which is Cisco be connected to some of the things. Maybe we've talked about today the shoutout in the something to try to divided these up between your cells. We haven't said so the shoutout we don't shout out about someone who's doing something amazing. We just wanted to show to everybody in our school really because we just could not single anybody out the determination effort and just contributions everybody in makes his part of this team so every day I do honestly think no people you know it's very easy for the I think the head teacher to take all of the glory sometimes but you're only as good as the team behind you and I can honestly I just think I am the look kissed had in the world because my teachers they just they blow me away they literally do they do work incredibly hard but they've worked so passionately nationally with US happened they allowing us to make many mistake to being very patient with us but they do have a balance and they have a voice as well. Don't they bought they are just the most phenomenal staff uh in the world. We also lucky so we just can't we couldn't single one personnel. They all have such incredible strength all of them so sorry. If you go well being tip for us. I mean talked Luba Yoga Meditation. I mean there is next but it's useful frustrating teaches and actually today to gather as many wellbeing had had to do you know what my you know. One thing is if you can't laugh at something then there's a reason I think you know always stays or data. We feel you know things of maybe a bit rubbish. I think having that sense of humor so important because you know look at the bigger picture I need can become so overwhelmed when you think gosh things aren't going so well. It's just being able to stand back and just thank you know they're good people out there that can support you and just have a laugh yeah. I think one of the <hes> things I remember speaking to the students about this about two years ago maybe is also be very careful about how much you get involved with social media or the negative liberty and the a press about teaching. We all know that the news they don't ever they don't really ever give out positive stories. They love to go down the negative front under certainly I know that if I if I'm on twitter and yes it is something that needs to be talked about absolutely workload it doors bought when you're subjecting yourself to this negativity over and over again you know on on the different platforms that are about them. I've got Italian now. It is absolutely the best job in the world and if you love your job you never will have hopefully a workload issue because when you're doing something that you're absolutely passionate about you. Don't Zia as work so I I do just think that you know just to be careful about you know when you're around people talking negatively about the profession or your subjecting yourself to reading article after article about the bad sides of teaching well if you're gonna read things a lot bus all you are ever going to know but get yourself out there and surround yourself with people that love the job and talk in a loving way about it be with the kids as much as you can and get getting out though with them because that's what it's all about it is a birdman profession. I am so everyday I drive to work and I just think it's easy to get negative mindset. Isn't that about things by I'm so grateful for my job and I do up see lava. Thank you and do you have anything that people can try in the classroom not safety different handshakes. Can I just say AH maybe you know she being able to smile with the children make such a different and just having positive relationships with them getting to know them in this issue about relationship is categorically the K. relationship you know is the key in your classroom with your children but I've always said this as well about being leader all happen to me is the I've moved up my class now on my my staff you know Oh and so when I'm delivering insects that I feel like my staff all my class and it is about the relationships that you have that you know your children feel that they can talk to you about anything that you have open and honest discussions NSA conversations with them and if you're in a leadership role to be able to do exactly the same thing with your staff and half that relationship with them whereby they do feel like they can talk openly and honestly about stuff so you've attracts you try pal. Well you get a world of you know. Try this strategy and this resource and Gimmick. It's nice to end. Maybe the year with something to try. That says you not wasting your classroom time. If you get to know your pupils equal soon to finish well that's all year podcasts business a good there yeah so we are. We GonNA follow that next back. Way moves things right so we're I'M GONNA leave is riotous place. Thanks everybody for listening whether your in Wales or the U._K.. Or elsewhere in the world it's been lovely seeing the kind of statistics rack up as the years gone on stick with us. We'll check a few things out over the summer approach to keep you on site but we will return in September with something. We didn't know what and if you like us even if you don't actually ty we want your comments in critique critique lease leave us in review. We'd love to hear these lock is always good. We'll be back next year. See You then bye-bye that was ammon Tom's P._G.. 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Robert Jenkins is not a gun nut, he's a safety gun nut - EP 576

The Dork Forest

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Robert Jenkins is not a gun nut, he's a safety gun nut - EP 576

"Welcome to the Dork Forest Jaclyn miles whenever Boris Shameless confessions about our obsession with sponge laugh and smile. So let's explore the Dork forest and dorm down for awhile. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian you talk about to listen to The Dark Forest. Let's give you the info about it. First of all, you know, the websites Dark Forest, the Dark Forest, if you like a determiner, Jackie Cason has everything off my podcasts including videos of my stand up my stand-up schedule merchandise, you can purchase if you would like and a lot more info than you possibly even need wage. Let's do the credits my Rick Burke sang and produced and composed that song at the beginning of the show he sang with his wife's here. It's very beautiful at the end of the program he sings this song. Is version of The Mexican Hat Dance? That's my great Berg vilmos fix. This Jackie Cason. Com has the web designer over there and Patrick Brady fixes the audio. And in this case took a video intro very exciting. 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Kashian, There is an Amazon link and the Amazon link just takes you to Amazon your order like normal and it supports the show cuz you came back Jackie. Kashian or dark Forest. Com. Very exciting. Other than that though. There are there is a band camp you can if you have listened to all the episodes that are free and you need more content with our several live episodes that are at the door for us. Bandcamp.com and those cost me a couple of bucks. So I charged a couple of bucks. There's also a storytelling album there that you can listen to stories that I did live and there are 17 free episodes before the Dork forest was pre-recorded. So the audio isn't very good, but the guests were super funny and fun and dorky. So if you want to do that go to the the Dork Forest. Bandcamp.com. Other than that, let's see if there are other things that I should be talking about possibly the Birch yeah if you want to buy merch. The only other thing I want to talk about is the merch you can get dark Forest t-shirts and you can get stand-up County t-shirts. You can get my albums or my DVD over at Yankee kitchen, sure. There's pins. There's a challenge coin. There's a bunch of new things happening over there. Anyway lot of information. I think I don't think I missed anything but who cares? Let's get into the show them. Hey, it's Jackie. Kashian. Hi Robert Jenkins. Welcome to the dark Forest. Hey, how are you? Thanks for having me. This is great. Yeah, this is awesome. We I haven't seen you in real life since I fucked up your phone number. We can Chicago that was that wasn't you? That was that that I said there was such a democracy should have just said yes. Yes for you emerge should have just said and and then replaced I think he was like, no. I just want to you know, you want a black guy. I know a local black. I was like no. I was hoping to hang out with a guy. I know know. All right, I mean and the guy that features Listen, I stuff good, but that whole week was a denial was interesting. Yeah, I will never return and I will go to other places and Amelia and Thursday, that'll be fine. So Robert Jenkins by the way, stand-up comic and a lawyer for the state of Michigan State of Michigan. There we go, and you live in Detroit and it's walk-ins, but your stand-up comedy. I live in Lansing now. I was born in Detroit live in Lansing. Oh, there you go. All right. You should have bought land. I understand it one point. It was very cheap to buy land off Rob Jay comedy. That's Twitter and Instagram, right and my website. Okay, and that's awesome and Rob Jay comedy.com. Oh good. Okay, Randy. No. Brandon do it all just bring it people follow follow the man according to the frequently asked questions. You're actually a very good lawyer. Yeah, and but you're not available to be hired, Yep. That was that was funny. And you also cat who have two cats that I love dearly what kind of cats do you have a mutt cats? They're nibble on cats like the gray a super great Russian cats. Oh Russia, I was like is that the cuz there was a cat that is bald that I thought it started with an ad. No, not that one. There's any belong but like the colloquial term is Russian long hair cats, you have to Russian long-haired cats. Do you vacuum a great? Oh, yeah. We have a week off Sharky boy. It's like one of the new like robot things that you owe like a rumor. Yeah. Yeah. Okay that oh everyday everyday everyday just send it out on it's on its appointed Yeah Yeah Song Are they pretty cuddly? Oh, yeah, I don't know. They're they're the cuddliest cats I've ever been around like they are all about it. Yeah, that'll of our dog to the three of them. They're just sticking Steve or just hang out and they plots they plot on us. They just sit and Slots great, right, you know cuz you never know if a dog and a cat like my mother-in-law has a dog and a cat and the cat is a little bossy. It's just to hang out with a dog. Really? Okay. Yeah, but but she enjoys both of those animals separately and they enjoy her separately, I guess as well their own time. Yes, everybody gets home. Everybody gets a little little little Grandma time and we leave it at that. Okay. Can I say that the first time I met Robert Jenkins Rangers of the Dark Forest. You should know this Thursday at we we've we literally we just need to work at a regular gig one time because it was Jokers. Remember now Depot's Jokers. Yeah. Yeah, the downtown crackers was for a heartbeat a comedy club called Jokers and it was in that that brick building in Downtown Indianapolis that had else like a karaoke level and a dance level and it was owned by the same guy. They kicked crackers out and they're like we can do stand-up and then Thursday every night of that week that weekend. It was when I was working on my new album the last album there were genuinely four people at 860 except for I think Saturday first show I ever have it clown the clown showed up that one show though. There was so weird. It sparked me up. That's one of the worst things I've ever had. It was terrible. He could you tell he was part of six people were things better for you know, what fuck me up. He was a perfect gentleman the whole time. That's what God was cuz I was expecting to do Club. Shit, you know I'm expecting like okay the squirt bottle maybe a long on it says bank. I was expecting Shenanigans and he was like, no dude. I'm just here I clocked out but I kept my uniform or hey, I just came to enjoy comedy and it fucked me up. It was the worst it was the worst but why wouldn't you expect I mean Pizza lose the clown outfit? Why would right? He's brought a clown outfit to accomplish. We expect at least him to be obnoxious. Yeah. This is such a it was he got me? He got me if that was if it's goal was to throw me off. He did he told me that he got home. I yeah and I the whole weekend it was just a debacle and then and then the next time I saw you was that the some sort of Yoder Festival, but it was at the Toledo Mud Hens at their stadium. And yeah, and I didn't recognize you and you're like, how is that possible we spent five shows doing for ya job. And we hung and I said, oh, do you have that conceal and carry? Yeah, that's really that's what you remembered. I said, I were also remember a joke about going through the self-serve check out. Those were the two things. I remembered. I remembered one of your beds. It's gigantic pistol and and the fact that you had you could legally conceal a weapon upon your person cuz I came in handy at the end of the night when we were in Jokers. We was trying to get out and as I was like come on come on with me, you just walk, you know just walk out of there. I Willis Court you to your life through your weird hotel in weird downtown Indianapolis, which is weird. The only time I like downtown Indianapolis is during that board game convention Jen, That's great. Yeah life is it's just piles and piles of nerds and they're good. They're, they're Comic-Con is is really dope. Yeah, cotton was really nice. But the board game what I liked about the board game convention is that people actually e It's like sixty thousand people who literally just want to play a board game instead of a, accounts which can be just people standing in line in the Starrett. Someone who was on a t show. Yeah. So so people who genuinely want to play a board game. I find while they can be irritating are usually very nice. Yeah. Yeah. They're very patient people. I tell you that super long, they're patient for sure Linda read directions. Sure. Let's no direct exactly. Nobody does anymore. So let's get into it. Ortom is God. Yes. I never got a gun dork on but I was like if I had to do it, it's going to be Robert jackets because I don't know who else I mean, I've only fired a gun twice. Yeah, so I don't know much about the funny thing about it is that wage. I was not into guns until I started doing comedy. I started comedy in July 2012. So before that I had maybe fired a gun may be dead. A handful of times that I'm willing to talk about right and but I think just starting, D major realize that first of all you were in danger young and very much you had you might have had rain very much so and very much so there was a specific incident that let me know. I was like, oh I should probably do something about this this is that is that yeah. So are you willing to share absolutely absolutely. So this is you know, I started in July 2012 and you know, it's the winter maybe Winter 2012 and I'm doing this show in Michigan. It's like Northern Michigan middle of nowhere up pretty far north like You know, I the last time I saw a black person was like two hours into the drive, right so likely so I get there I get to the to the bar, you know typical bar show, you know and doing my doing my thing. I'm doing 20-25 minutes something like that. And I do my bit things are going good and but I noticed that in the front row there was a table of three guys and a girl and the woman. Well the woman was with her date and okay, she was laughing but I guess she thought maybe they didn't like the way she was laughing which is which happens which which happens which is a weird thing that happens in your like what why have you come right? I'm like, dude. Do you know that I'm on your side life? If she left then she's going to fuck you later. Ventures would happen with fully will be in a good mood that how many times have Comics tried to explain this seems like I'm not make sure Laughs I'm not going to get anything out of this and you're like to be in a better mood and she might want to have sex with you. That is the oldest stand-up comedy joke in the world. Yeah this because it's just simple. Yeah. So yeah, I explain it. I'm Magic Johnson. Okay, I'm dishing here. I'm on the Fastbreak. I'm doing a dribbling and everything. I'm drawing the defense when they come to me. It's just a handoff just dishing it to my left and you just lay it in just lay it in you literally and figuratively lay it in. I can't list all the jobs actually install the 10,000 goes home happy. That's it. Right. But yeah, so, okay. So after the show, I'm standing around waiting to get paid as you do and you do. Before I know it these folks have kind of made their way over to me and it kind of like surrounding me but they're not, you know, they haven't gotten the danger zone yet, but they made it clear that they you know are very close to me and you know, the one guy he said something one of the guys says something I don't like and I'm like, okay, you know, I'm ignoring, you know, whatever. I'm not for everybody cuz I was even kind of like that like how I am now back then so so oh, okay. I get my money. I'm getting ready to go and I turn around I see that they're going outside now and take a peek out the window and I see that they're standing by my car and their car is next to mine. So I said oh this is interesting. Thought I'll go and talk to the manager at the bar and I'm like, hey, you know, this is there some folks outside. I don't know what they plan on doing, but I plan on doing something. They do something and he says so you say so you might want to bring somebody out there. You know, is there anybody that least keep an eye out? And he basically told me shows over do what you do, what you need to do. Now. Is that oh, okay, so I'll never be back here again, and I'm not a big fan of calling law enforcement because well and off obviously, right? So at that time I didn't have I didn't have my concealed carry permit. I had I had pepper spray and I had a knife at a switchblade. Okay, so long, you know I go out put my backpack on and I make my way to the car and it's just join back and forth. They're talking about what they want to do to me and I'm telling them. It'll probably won't happen like that, but they don't take any step forward. I don't go over to where they are. I get in my car and I drive home and run that drive home I said, okay, so I see how this is. So I need to go ahead and do something about wage. So that was when I started I made the decision to get my concealed carry permit and get it done. How do you get a concealed carry is it easy? It depends on the state a lot of times, you know, some states are very easy some states. You're in California. Yeah, it is kind of difficult in places like California a Illinois and New York, Massachusetts. Typically on Senor given it in the basseterre pretty much. They're like here here you go. It is dropping just dropping in your crib, you know a derringer. It's if it really does depend on the state and so with Michigan what you have to do is there's a 4 license charm you fill out you have to take a concealed carry permit class the sanctioned by the state. So they've been approved, you know, they checked out the course curriculum. They noticed like traffic school pretty much pretty much same way you get our devices. And so okay one of the big factors in whether or not it's going to be easy for you to get is whether your state is a shall issue. Or May issue. So you got to check the law and this is where it comes in the spell these words shall i s h a l l shall issue or May issue off as in you sent all this as exactly so if you meet these criteria we shall issue a license. Okay meet these criteria. We may issue a license. So the wording is kind of tricky depending on what those were say, like for example, like a May issue state is like New York or Illinois so you can do everything right? You can send everything in and depending on the investigation or how things turn out. You may get denied know Michigan is a shall issue State and Most states across the country are shall the issue and they give you reciprocity tools. So like my license if I'm in, New Jersey On a or if I'm in Wisconsin or pretty much like 40 other states. My license is good there in Illinois. It's not it's not because to me. Yeah, I am very strictest. Oh, Illinois, California, New York, Massachusetts. I believe Hawaii a couple of other places like that. They're very restrictive. So when I'm traveling yeah, quick question. How does that affect? Can you still bring? Could you still bring your weapon with you? So what I do? Yeah. So what I do is like if I'm going if I got a show in Chicago or something like that off right for I enter Illinois, I pull off to the side of the road. I unload my pistol. I put it in a locked compartment and I separate the ammunition from the actual firearm. So I have the ammunition in my glove compartment and then I have the firearm itself. I'll put the trigger lock on it. I put it in a locked compartment and I'll put it in my trunk wage. Underneath the storage. There's like a storage area right there. Okay. So those things are completely separate and obvious absolutely cannot handle that firearm in Illinois. I can't do it. I can't put my hands on it. I can't use it. Okay, so it's like not not even not concealed. Right? Well, I'm not I don't know if Illinois has open carry law, but I don't I don't do that. I don't open carry. Any I never do that. Well that open carry feels very much. Like hey, look at me. Exactly exactly. I'm looking for try and get my thing is these guns are for the protection of myself and those closest to me. I am now never want to make somebody feel uneasy or I never want people to feel scared or intimidated. You told me you had the concealed-carry. I was I was made uneasy and then I was well, I'm sorry, I apologize. No, that's okay, but then I was like wow. Well, at least at least I don't have to stare at it. And the thing is is I am fascinated by guns. Like I'm the kind of person who should not have a gun. I took one time I had pepper spray and I used it. I am a fucking check off play. I should a weapon. This is not good so long, you know what you think that now but honestly when you go through training and if you take the right course and they really explain to you the ramifications of it, you will be more prudent than you think you will be when it comes to using so just buying pepper spray at the place that I worked at and just have it in the car. That's probably no training. I'm just going oh, it's $8.99. That's not enough a receipt. No, it's not training. That doesn't let us in translate the grab the gravitas of the situation like it's slowly. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, it's cuz it's really, you know, if you take it serious and you take the training it's really serious. Like, you know, they really drilling to you that you know, when you pull the trigger on a firearm once that bullet is out responsible for any and everything that it hits so that's one you so you really need to make sure that this is what you want to do before you decide to shoot a firearm as somebody else. And so I have shot to fire twice. I went to a gun A gun range here in Van Nuys for my birthday. Andy said cuz I said I had to go horseback riding. I kind of wanted a cowboy birthday. Okay. There you go you go. We went horseback riding we grilled and then he was and he had P grew up with guns and he has no interest in them. But he was like there is a gun range 2 and 1/2 miles from here if you want to go and I was like and so we went and my favorite part of this was they had headphones for the gun range and birth. I said to the guy. Oh, do you spray them like at the bowling alley and the guys like no, he's just using or don't use them. They're filthy. Yeah and back then it was us and so we got we got a pistol there were which was very hard to load. By the way in the cartridge. They they they're they're the Magazine's took if they're know they're very stiff, which is I definitely want to go over today you talk about stuff cuz I want to really everything to kind of be more functional like this may sound contradictory, but I'm not a gun nut. Like I don't I'm not like hyper fascinating. I have a very working very practical knowledge with firearms because okay, like for example, when I go to the range with except maybe once or twice every gun that I shoot at the range is one that I own because I'm only concerned with using those, you know what I mean and sort of getting sort of the feel of how they that song. They were yes. Yes. Okay. So what so what is the so the training is how long was the training eight hours? So it's it's a full day and you go through the legal ramifications of it. They they show you exactly how a Gun Works you go over how to fire a gun safely we go over home defense took over concealed carry tips and stuff like that. But the most important thing you deal with the safety like safety is a number one. That's the most important thing when you have a firearm and one of the things that they drill down to you is the four basic rules of gun safety, right? So the first thing is you whenever you see a gun you have to treat every gun that you see a page is loaded. Automatically to read that in the in the western novel automatically assume that it's loaded. That's the first thing right the second thing is when you when you have a gun if you're holding a gun in your hand off always keep the gun pointed in a safe Direction. Okay, cuz things happen you never know. It could go off. You may not be something if worse comes worst in this gun is discharged. He wanted to be in a safe Direction which means never point a gun at anybody. You don't want to shoot. Okay. I don't give a damn what the consequences are or circumcision. So have you always keep the gun pointed in a safe Direction? All right. The third thing is never put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot that may sound simple, but you know, people are lackadaisical it's a lot of times people will pick a gun up. Like this gun right here. Okay, people would pick a gun up and they'll grab it like this. It's on the table. I'll pick it up and grab it. Like that's you absolutely do never do that. So you said you always you never want to keep you always want to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready for the Garlic's you pick it up by the handle. Okay, pick it up by the handle. And what you do is you see how this finger right here gassed your finger along the side of the gun. Okay, never not in here. You have it along the side so that way it's close to the truck if it needs to be fired, but it's not on the trigger and that way when you make your decision to when you start firing, it's yes not very it's very easy to go from here to here. So I think and then the forth thing is You have to be certain of your line of fire. What's in the way and what is behind your target? Always you gotta know what's behind your Target because life you're gonna miss or you go through them you hit you from them and then it hits whatever's behind them to you know, which is something that you you have to definitely take into account page especially so they're very powerful. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay and and which we going to talk a little bit later about ammunition and types of ammunition. There's some types of ammunition. For example, Full Metal Jacket, that's something that over penetrates and I'll show you what that is the hair. Okay Full Metal Jacket is a I don't know if you can see this butt Shack. Yeah, it's plenty on the end. Yeah, and there is solid you see. Can you see that? There's like no like whole the whole or anything. So this is a full metal jacket. So if if I were to hit something wage With this bullet and go straight through them and it keep going because it's right coming from it's a heavy yes come from a very powerful weapon. Now on the other side. This is a hollow-point personal defense ammo you see that plastic tip in there. Yeah. Okay. So what happens with these and some of them are actually hollow points where they they don't have any plastic in there is just a hole in there. Yeah. We're yeah now the reason that the way jalapeno work, is that whole that you'll see that's in here when it penetrates the air creates pressure. And the pressure caused the projectile to split. So in order to turn it into like shrapnel inside, whatever you've had. Yes, so it's gross but it snaps in that person. Right and it it does all types of damage, you know, just picture huddle football when they say break that's what happens and there's a granite just everywhere. So they another name for these types of bullets is personal defense ammo off because when you're out concealed carry, you don't want to have full metal jackets you want to have personal defense ammo because you only want to damage the thing that you're aiming at home. Oh and they and and those will stop in the things that you're a male which is sadly off of him. But the so the full metal jackets. What about this shell casings. We've heard so much discussed. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Yeah, so therefore parts to a bullet If you can see this you see this little circle right here that's called a primer. That's one part. The outside is the actual casing. So the okay the metal part on the outside. That's the casing wage then the tip is what this is the bullet the actual projectile. This is the thing that comes out right and inside here place. You can't see in here is the founder. Okay gunpowder. So. So, here's what happens gun. You have you have a bullet in the chamber of a gun range? And there's this thing called a firing pin. You pull the trigger come for or firing pin hits the primer, right? Okay, it's the permit the pin head but it's the bullet really hard. But the back the primer right in the Centre hit-boy. Okay. So where the yep so it hits hard hit hard enough to ignite the powder, right? So that's you know firearm. That's what happens. When you see the big bang. That's the best pan hitting the primer. It's kind of a spark. Yes that lights up the powder which is inside that thing. Okay and the powder it lights the powder up and it creates so much for so much pressure that it shoots the projectile off and the tiny tiny part on the end, which is the actual bullet shoots that off and that's what I'm traveling down the barrel of a gun right now. Okay, Barrel inside the barrel, there's twists that have been kind of etched into it and like a spiral. Or like a threat threat it and so that those those twists are what allows the bullet to spend and make sure it goes straight. Oh, cuz the centrifugal force it's it's sort of it's like go straight go straight go straight and now you're out in the world, but you have a head-start. Yeah, essentially I'm going straight is so much pressure so much force is about that's why it moves so fast so straight so quickly, right? Okay, that's your typical what happens when you pull the trigger on a firearm just yeah so does every so every bullet though has that has that case slowly? Yes and nests and what is behind? Yeah. So in your typical your typical handgun, right, So this is the chamber in here now. Okay. I got this gun. I'm going to show you how to clear a gun to make sure that it's not loaded right? I get a gun. Like I said, you treat it as if it's loaded right off the first thing you do you see this button right here. Okay, that's yeah, but magazine released you hit that and you take the magazine out. Okay. Okay, and you expect the magazine make sure it's empty put that down. Then you take this part. It's called the slide. You engage your safety you pull the slide back and you look in and make sure that it's empty. There's nothing so now so then that should mean that there's no bullets anywhere inside not exactly. Exactly. Okay now, I'll show you why it's important to make sure that you remove the magazine first. Now this gun right here is loaded. There's nothing that chamber but it's loaded right? So let's say I want to clear this gun, right? So Iraq it first then I take the magazine out. Okay, because I wrapped it first. There's now a Gun there's now a bullet and chamber. Wow, so that's how you make a mistake. See that's why you always want to take the magazine out first because that way if you've racked it, you know that if there was a bulletin here, it should be coming out and it would be nothing that wouldn't be another bullet to replace it. Okay. So so if you like if if you had if it had been wrecked before you would put it down and then you didn't track it again and but you rejected the there was going to be one in here. Yep, there would still be one. So but when you store a gun you don't store it cracked. Do you well, it depends in my house. Absolutely not. Okay, when I'm carrying on the street, yes, because in the snow situation you may not have enough time to do that to do it and there are other things there are other precautions in place to stop an accidental discharge. And those are called safety's okay, most handguns have safeties. So take this guy right here. This is the Springfield XDS. It's a nine volt meter gun. Okay. Okay. So on the on the front on the handle here you see that? I hear it. Okay, and I see what you're doing. Yeah, the grip safety. Okay. So with this gun, I have to have my think my hand around it to activate it. Okay, it wouldn't fire if I didn't have my hand on it because the safety right here essentially engages the weapon let you know that it's just ready to go so often and is that the only safety know they're okay just going to have three safeties. Okay. Yeah, which is why I like Springfield Armory because there they live far as safe as guns can be they tend to make them pretty safe. They have lots of safeties and and actually back up. So yeah, so you have the grip safety right here, right? Okay, and you may have the you see this this is the trigger. Yeah, but there's a little dip it in front of it. Can you see that? Hold on a second. I get it right here. You see it. There's a little small piece off. Okay, that's a trigger. Safety that that what that does is it makes some guns have very hair triggers very easy trigger slight the slightest touch. I don't like that. I want a long trigger pull. I want me to have to put some work into it. So when I put the same way about my Toyota Corolla, I don't want to have it took a lot of pickup know I like me to make a decision and then the car to actually think about it and I do I'm doing this. All right, we do it we doing it. It's the same it's the same essentially the same thing off this okay. So there's this the trigger safety and then there's internal safety that will stop it from accidental discharge if it were to fall if it were to drop out of my hand. Okay. Oh, right. So I have three so there's three safeties on this gun. So Springfield the majority of the guns. I have our Springfield Spokane how many guns might you off? Well, well, how many guns are let us just say how many guns would think let's go with 5. Okay exactly. V that that that you own. And they all the the the guns that essentially what I'm interested in is the concealing carry you you you could carry any of those five guns know I have two guns. I have two here. I'm going to show you that are not concealed. Carry. I have three. Okay, Carry Three handguns. I have a AR-15 pistol here and I have a shot here. Okay. So this have shot a shotgun my father-in-law was a he trained bird dogs. Okay for field trials from horseback nice nice and so he took pointers, right? And so he had a lot of he had several shotguns and when he passed away about five or six years ago, he wanted his ashes put in shotgun shells off for us to shoot. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, we have we still have ten of us we have some and they had pellets at him as well. But we have like ten shotgun shells. Yep. To a different gate. Yeah to a twelve and twenty probably smaller and bigger and so but I yeah, I got to shoot him into the sky a couple of times in Arkansas, which is where you should live if you want to get shot into the sky. Yeah, that's very like a very Arkansas thing to do. It felt it felt pretty pretty on Brandt Pike. So I wanted to actually since we talked about shotguns we can talk about shotguns real quick. They you've probably heard of the different gauges for shotguns. There's 12 gauge and then there's 20 gauge right. Now. Those are typical the two popular like gauges for shotguns. I'm sure there's others but those are the ones that I'm familiar with now the reason they're named 12 and calling is because when you're measuring gauges, when you trying to figure out the gauge, it's all about the diameter of the barrel and how mad libs fears it would take off. Make a pound that's how they decide what the gauge is. So if your tanks 12, then it's a 12 gauge. It takes 20. Okay. So 20 gauge so using that same type of reasoning took 12 gauge is bigger than the 20 gauge because it takes fewer of them to make a pound so fewer of the pellet. Yeah, and it's essentially how many of the pellets that go in a in a in a fierce like the spears. Like if you look at the barrel of the gun how many of those fears would it take to make a pound? Okay. So and do you load a pound into office know that's just the old school way of them. Oh coming up your thing, right? That's just how they decided to name them. It's fair enough like as far as like practical use. It doesn't really mean much to us. We just not really that's just how it that's just how many named him and the I do love a definition. I love getting this sort of the back story on it. So, thank you and when you talk about wage It's like handguns you have the caliper, you know, you always hear people talk about caliber like nine millimeter 45 all that, right? So caliber what that what that means is you're talking about the game order of the barrel of the gun. Okay. So like year 45 is what they said 45 that's roughly four or five inches. Oh, so literally that's why they're so cute. Yeah. So 45 is bigger than a nine millimeter. Obviously technically a 45 is an 11 millimeter. That's what it converts out to metric-wise. Okay. So you got nine millimeter, you have a 10 millimeter you have 11 millimeter as far as caliber goes your forty-five. Then you got 40,000. There was Kinsey millhone in the the Kinsey millhone Mysteries. I believe carried a 32. She's a very unique the very this is these days that's a very young unique caliber. We're right you could they be so funny. Would it be weird if you'd go to a gun store and you're like, I need 32 in like, oh, well, we actually don't carry that that gauge. Yeah, they probably they probably would they probably would have it. Okay these people get off they get off into it. Like if you go to a gun store and you look for ammo the shell. Yeah. I mean, it's all types of ships you can find A little bit every Michaels of pretty much just a cramp that their version of crafting they sit up and yeah people some people they get way way into it like a great people me and myself. I just as far as handguns nine millimeter, that's all I carry. I don't need anything bigger than that. When you combine the power of a nine millimeter with today's national defense ammo that's enough that's enough to stop anybody. Especially right most confrontations. You have will be at point-blank range. You won't need probably anymore or four or five rounds before it's over and yeah that was quick. So people walk around with the big honking and 45 or some people have Desert Eagle. He's taking massive ridiculous guns. I just nine millimeters are my thing. That's what I tend to carry right? Because I and I genuinely believe this I mean the name We've we've talked a little bit about this and this has been a fascinating conversation because you know, it's so clearly you're just like I just want to be able to protect myself if someone is is threatening wage, and I don't know all I know is that is is it those situations in stand-up comedy when you feel threatened, you know as a woman I can say you have to walk me to my car as a giant man. If you say I need you to walk me to my car you're going to be mocked and you're like and yet I need you to fucking walk me to my car off and not cuz you don't want me to hurt them and I don't want to hurt them. I just want to go to my car and I have different considerations too because they're I can't think of many instances where I would call the police cuz you know if the police show up that just probably like as a chance to be getting shot. So whatever problems I have I have to home. I'm on my own. So right right, you know, I'm not above a fistfight. That's fine. But a lot of people, you know, it's very rare that I'm going to get a good job on one thing, you know be more than one of them, you know, right so and you don't want to bring a fist fight if they are aren't right, right. You don't want to you don't want to bring your to be up under under equipped when there are more than one person ready to attack cuz you know, you also have to assume like I'm not saying I'm the toughest person in the world cuz I'm not but most people that they saw me they were probably just leave me the fuck alone. So right you're what are you six for? Ya 6-5 bit Yeah in there like 250, right? So it's like a very large packet. Yeah, you know, which yeah, which is cool. Like I'm not I'm never I'm not someone who ever tries to throw my weight around or be right that that's just not how and if I'm mad then it's different but like I never thought My way to like, you know, Lord over people to make people feel uncomfortable. That's not my thing. But when you behave like that some people take that for weakness and then they may try you back right which is you just essentially being aware of your own strength. Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm sure as a young as a young man as a teenager you had be like, oh my God hands are actually the size of ham. Yes. I am going to brakes and if I grab it too hard, you know, I mean, it's it's the thing that we all have to learn. Yeah, I had to learn it with my fucking mouth off because they can hurt. Yeah. Yeah, there's yeah. There's no reason for me to say the first thing. Yeah, cuz it's not. Okay cool. Well, so what gauge shotgun do you have do you hunt or any of that? Actually I got my hunting license this year. So yeah, I will be doing some hunting this year. It's deer carrier, okay. I got my you got a 36. Can you tell that I read a lot of westerns old-school 30th, but they but I was just at the grocery store and they have tons of 30 ought 6 ammo people still people are still out here. And that's the fun. That's a fine weapon right there. You can yeah, you can do something like that. I have right here. I have bought a 12-gauge shotgun and this is for the Mossberg 590 Shockwave and this is for home defense. This is a home topic. Gun. Now off. This is something that I want to convey to people listening and to you as if we're talking about home defense. This is a really good shot going to have and I'll tell you why the first reason is because The shotgun people a lot of people are very afraid of shotguns because of the kick because of the kick back, you know, it's a lot like oil people. They're very hard to handle very hard to match right now. This Mossberg 12-gauge that I have. I have many shells small shotgun shells and I'll show you one of them rare wage. This is very small. It's like it's like half the size of a regular shotgun shell. Okay? It's short short is short and smaller and smaller diameter down. Okay reason that this is important is because smaller shotgun shells are less likely to over-penetrate. So if you have somebody with this, it's a shotgun it's going to do massive damage, but it's not going to go through your wall into your neighbor's kitchen like it's going to stop pretty pretty short of that. So also dead. Because these shells are smaller you can fit more of them in the shotgun tube. So here. Oh, yeah, so here right here. This is the shotgun to this is where the shotgun shells go. Okay. So if I were to low one, I would take it off of here like this. I put it in here and not press it in and then I just load them that way off and how many of the regular regular length one here would probably fit I would say probably five in here, but I have eight in here now because there's a shortage. Yeah the shorter and so we have a shotgun. The best way to store it is in a in a position they call Cruiser ready, you know like so and what that means is, you know, you ever see like a police car and they have a shotgun in the back are the shock approves the car Cruiser, you know, please take all them Cruisers right? It's Cruiser ready is when you have it full but you have this this is called the action. You see this year. Yeah, this is empty. Okay, so it's if the magazine tube is full the shotgun to before but the chamber's empty and you always want to store shotguns with the chamber empty because shotguns go off. Okay, they go off a lot you could drop it and it'll go off like it's in the closet and somebody knocks it over and it goes all of a sudden a little right so you always want to store your shotguns empty. And so, okay. Like I have this in Cruiser. It's in Cruiser mode right now. It's Cruiser ready. So let's say something goes down. Hey, I need to grab this. So if I if I need to grab it all I do I pick it up. Now it's loaded now. It's loading just been sitting in the chair just a quick so that's why you want to keep them unload this. That's why you always want to keep them empty because it takes nothing to load this thing and get to it real quick. So in in a book, that's right you there is you could like 12 gauge those that those are those twelve to a pound pellets, right? That will not go into a person. That's essentially yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I have what is bird shot birdshot is it's off their types there different types of shotgun shells. This is Slug. This is a slug. So it's just like a metal thing. It doesn't there isn't multiple pellets took a shot is heavier. It's four bucks for a beer. That's what you use to killdeer bird shot is for bird hunting smaller smaller smaller pellets. So so like you can I have eaten pheasant and I have found bird shot in it. So you remember when Dick Cheney shot that guy? Yeah that guy live because he got hit with birdshot. Okay, cuz he hit him in the face know if he'd with a with a shotgun. Yeah, I think it was a maybe it was 20 gauge. I don't know but it was it was very shot. So heady hit home computer. That have been it for him. Wow. Yeah, so they were Albert hunting obviously, you know, so that's so thank God that they were out there bird hunting and not deer hunting cause he'd he'd killed him. He been dead and and Dick Cheney waving a shotgun around like a crazy person cuz he is a crazy. But yeah, that's weird that you could accidentally shoot somebody with I mean and and the thing is is I'm from Wisconsin. So deer hunting we kill more people in Wisconsin deer hunting dog, then I think we're killed in Iraq. You get over ten years. Oh shit. I mean, it's bad. There's you can get a gun very easily and in Wisconsin, and there's not a lot of training and They're just out there. Like I'm going to get my buck. Yeah, and then they see their buddy who's tricked out in Orange and they shoot em. Anyway, they're drunk like cuz a lot of folks they use like deer hunting the hunt. The big hugs weekend is the let's get fucked up and complain about life weekend and the right here on Saddam go there and drink camping and fishing. So God sakes you can't really do you can drown but I mean the I mean, yeah, it's but there's less inherent danger. Yeah, he does and and you would do it to yourself. So that'll be all right. Yeah, so they see I wonder make sure cover a couple more things Yeah, couple a couple more things. We got about 15 minutes left. Let's get those a couple of a couple of things. I want to clear up real quick. So you hear people talk about things like assault rifles. That's the thing that you hear a lot assault rifle, right? So there are two main Types of rifles that people are talking about when they talk about that that there's an AK-47 and the AR-15 now some people think that way or a r is ArmaLite rifle because that's the company that made it and okay 18 is rifle design number 15. So that's what I, okay. And a AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America. There are millions of them. Like my niece has 100g. She's in the National Guard and she said it was the cheapest rifle that she could get you can miscarry how many are out there and we don't even because even know how many there are. Why because there's this thing called ghost gun now when you buy an AR-15, it's made up of Tupac. Typically the upper receiver lower receiver. The two halves of it right now. The lower receiver is what they consider to be the firearm. So that part is where the serial number is. That's the way it has to get registered. That's the part that has to be sold to a federal firearm license dealer. Okay. That's where the Gusto is. That's serial number not as though now, what you can do is if you know how to Let's back up for a second. You can make any weapon that you want off by yourself as far as you know as a rifle or a gun. If you can make it yourself you can make it and you don't have to essentially register it if you made it all yourself. You can register it. So what people are doing is they're buying these lower receivers that are 80% finished. So we buy it. It's not completely finished since it's not completely finished. It doesn't have a serial number on it. So you buy it 80% finished and then you have the the kit or life be the operation in your home to finish it the rest yourself. So you buy it and then you just do the drilling and the few little things you need to do to it because I am 80% done you do the few things you need to do to it to finish it all the way. And then you can buy a kit with all of everything else in it and you can finish the gun you can make the gum yourself and it's not at Sunrise is so long is That's Why They Call traceable. Yes, because it's the lower half of the gun. You said the part that has them and that's where the trigger is. Yes, what houses the trigger and all that other stuff yet. That's why they call it goes, cuz it's it's off the Record is untraceable. Right? So if if if this part has if the bottom part has the stock and the trigger and sort of that whole unit that what is the top have just the barrel. I mean there's this thing called the bolt carrier group, which is where the you know what actually I got it right here. So you this off so This is a AR-15 platform. Right? But this is not a rifle. This is an actual. This is technically this is a pistol because the barrel the shortage this is the barrel is I think 9.6 inches. Okay, your typical AR-15 it's going to be fifteen inches barrels. Okay, something like that break full-length. Exactly. Yes. Okay. So up here. This is the upper receiver part right here. The lower receiver is just basically this This half. Okay, essentially the stock and the and the and the triggers actually. Yeah. So yeah, like the magazine house like right here and off so that's the lower receiver part. And that's part that's registered. Yes. This is the part that they consider to be be firearm. Okay, so that other two ends of it. This is the customer receives. Yes, you can just buy this stuff separately. You can buy them and then somehow create a trigger guard and a magazine holder by yourself with a kit. Yeah, essentially and you're not even really creating these parts much as you're just like Milling out the parts the holes where the stuff goes so you don't have to like make a thing. You just have to finish drilling a thing. Oh, yeah, we're yeah, so it's just you get this thing as 80% done you set up your press your machine. You drill out these holes, you make these holes where the different parts go and incentives done in the in the span of maybe an hour and a half of a basic Workshop in your garage was sort of like a band saw and a couple of Drilling Fluids, whatever you're in business, you know, you could have a wage keeps giant got keep turning off. An ArmaLite rifle AR15 is not an automatic know so there's everybody's like assault weapons automatic rifle, right so long there's always some semantic things where they're like, you can't you're not talking about the right thing. You're like, here's what I was someone doesn't walk into a fucking place and blow 15 people or so. Let's talk. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. It's a semi-automatic rifle. Okay, semi-automatic means that you have to pull the trigger for a for a bullet to come out. You have to keep pulling the truck for bullets to come. Okay automatic would be is if I took my if I pulled the trigger and kept it down and it just kept shooting boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. That's automatic. Semi-automatic is wage. Just do this. Like I pull the trigger it shoots the gun in ejects the casing and then it loads another bullet and then I pull boom eject that semi-automatic. That's what that means. Can it be both. Yeah, you can it can be you. Can you can there are guns that have burst like three-round bursts where you okay goes boom. Boom three times. Yeah for the longest time people. They are still ways to kind of convert your semi-automatic weapon to it automatic weapon where there's a thought a binary trigger and what that is is typically when you pull the trigger, you know, the bullet comes out boom you fire off around then you let the trigger go it resets in the you pull it again, but with a binary more with the binary binary trigger, you pull the trigger it comes out when you let the trigger go on the way out another bullet fire fire truck out then so you get double the rate of fire. So it's like boom boom. Boom. Boom instead of just phone boom. Boom. You see you see dead. In and out, in and out and so that's one way that people, you know make their essentially turn their guns into some off automatic automatic this more automatic e Matic then there's these things called bump stocks. You may have heard about that. I've heard the words. I don't know what it means entirely it's illegal. Now, they banned them which is okay. My hat's off to him. Great. It's a great idea. Now. What a bump stock was one that you see I pick this up again so I can show you this right here. This is a stock, right? Okay. So if I had it what I did, what I would do is if I had it on my arm like this and off fire, right? You've had a bump stock what would happen is when when fired the gun goes back the bump stock bumps it forward and then it come down. Back again and that motion allows for essentially for just to keep firing. So if I were to just hold my finger down it was just boom. Boom boom, you know would just reload it off essentially bumping off my shoulder and then it's you know keeps firing if I wanted to do it right now. They outlawed those which is great which I you know, so cuz you could give you could buy a bump stock for fifty bucks and turn it into this fucking killing machine, right? There are still technically there are ways around it that you can essentially still a steal if I wanted to I could still turn this into a fully automatic weapon just how it is. What I would do is I would take my hand, right and normally you have your hand here to steady the rifle you have a hand on the barrel up here and this is called a handguard right here. You have your hand up here and I'm using it to aim, right and I would use my trigger my finger to do this song. What I do if I wanted to make this fully automatic is I would take my hand and I will use my hand to pull the gun forward. I would pull the gun forward with my hand like this. So see by doing man. I'm pulling it into my truck keep my fingers still and I will pull my hand forward and keep my finger in the same place. See if in that way it would fire like boom then it would come back and then I would keep pulling it forward. So I'm just essentially just reload by doing sort of a it's it's more of a workout than a bump stop. But if it gives you the same thing off and it's like Anyway, these people man folks are going to figure out a way to do this type of shit. It seems like no matter what you do wage always figure out something and which is one of the one of the reasons they they say that it's unenforced that gun control is unenforceable, but I always say give it a shot. Yeah, what the heck? I mean, you know, they leave off. If they made the city legal tomorrow, I turned on my shit in you know what I mean? The law is the law not going to keep it just for the sake of keeping it. But if they got them, I want them off. Wow. We're right here around fifty nine minutes back cuz that would have been a great last line cuz we had the shit it went down over here. They stormed Capital with all the crazy white guys, right our Capital with all them guns and stuff. So open and they were all open carry crazy walking around to distract his family just intimidating people thought that was the last straw for me. That's why I went out and got that AR-15 cuz I said, okay so they got him I wanted and right I went and I have this thing right here wage. Um, This is a drum. This is a magazine holds a hundred rounds. Oh my God, so that's you know, it goes on the AR-15. Oh God. Yeah, so, okay. Let's see. I'll show you. You know, it's somehow fitting that you're sitting in your basement. Yeah, what just happened Robert Blake is hilariously horrifying. I know it's just it's disgusting, isn't it? Yeah, but they walk around with these all the time. So I say oh, okay. So that's I guess I'll join the club right picture this carrying it young man. Is this does that make you any happier than me watching you walk around with I know this is so funny how people's attitudes changed depending on who's holding the Weaponry. Yes. Yes weird. By the way, I am almost done cooking. This has been fascinating and Robert Jenkins you guys stand-up comic dog? Also lawyer for the state of Michigan, but it's at Rob Jay comedy on Twitter and Instagram and when we are doing stand-up comedy again, then. We will one day we will work at a regular Club. It'll all work out. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Do you have anything on as far as coming back to Michigan? I'm supposed to come to doctor grams in August. Okay. Nice. That should be what I can I think it's can't imagine they might cuz we're opening up like in July like pretty much trying to go back to normal in July. So that sounds terrifying to me that's only would be the Panthers made by then, you know, like, you know just walk right into it. I don't want to walk right into it. It's I literally went to a hot dog song yesterday and the woman working. That window was not wearing a mask. No. Yeah, no, we all go to wear masks. Spoke folks. Yeah, at least for the next year or so. It's just just trace it. Yeah, it's not you will you will stop the spread so I thought well, yeah, I got some people didn't take any serious. Yeah. Well that is that is another great line to end on some people aren't taking it. Robert. This has been amazing. Yeah. Thank you so much for doing it. You know, thank you. This is great. I'm so happy to see you. It's been so long. I just had yeah, it's not like Ginny Berg. I just love hanging with you. So this is cool. Me too man. This is super fun to actually just have a social moment when you're having just a conversation about something to so Rangers, you know the rules out there take care of each other. My hat my hat my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat my hat my hat. Well, what do you think that if it looks like a Mexican hat dance and it sounds like a Mexican had dead. It's most likely a Mexican hat. So take up your head and let's dance. Why don't we just call that as the end of the show?

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Conspiracy Listening List Roundup

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Conspiracy Listening List Roundup

"Welcome to the PODCAST French club podcast I'm Adela founder of PVC, and as always I'm joined by Sarah Chapter Leader over Houston Chapter and founder of audible feast today will discuss the podcast listening list on conspiracy podcast, Brunch club members, worldwide listen to and discuss the list, and you're always welcome to join them. Go to PODCAST BRUNCH CLUB DOT COM to learn how Yup And this month's list included some truly fascinating episodes. We had episodes from the ant hill from through line future hindsight wind of change and rabbit hole. Yes. So you can find the entire playlist step podcast, Brench Club, dot, com slash conspiracy, and Sarah. What were your takeaways? Well, I loved this listening lists this month. Those big two thumbs up for me. I. I guess you know we've said this before I feel like sometimes when I'm not sure what the listening list is really going to be about those are the best ones because I'm like. Oh. I didn't think this was the direction it was going to go and then you know I never thought of conspiracy in this way or whatever I know that you put this playlist together and I think you did a great job That before before I before we just talked before this but I was thinking I thought that. The episodes were put together very thoughtfully like I felt really appreciative that at least a couple of episodes talked about what's conspiracy versus conspiracy theory and how I really liked the the various I think again more than one of them hit on this point that they're that conspiracy is sometimes true like there. There are conspiracies like it's not like a conspiracy is not whack a doodle like thing it's there are conspiracies to do things and or to you know achieve some kind of goal and I don't know I thought that was really. Great to kind of have this historical perspective in this education piece about conspiracy especially about conspiracy in the United States and kind of how some of those. Thought Processes and philosophies kind of even defined the US. Yeah Yeah. So I I'm guessing that was a conscious choice on your part. You know it's always. Building, a playlist is a lot harder than people think sometimes like you think you're GonNa you know I'm GonNa. Include an episode about this include an episode about that, and then you have a really hard time finding exactly the right. The right episodes. I did this one. It was sort of like, yes, I put I put it together but it was I like to call it community curated because I did put a call out on the facebook group to ask for recommendations and I listen to a lot of the recommendations and tried to piece together. Piece together. The Best I could I wanted to include you know because we have so many chapters all over the world I can't. The through line one was a little tough and the future hindsight one was a little tough because they were very focused on the United States And we have so many chapters in other countries that I don't want. You know I I need to be very conscious of how the playlists are bill. So I, I found the ant. PODCAST and listen to all five of the episodes in that mini series was part three of a miniseries about conspiracies so that I would highly recommend that entire series. Actually, if you liked that episode, it goes into the past, the present, the future, the psychology of of conspiracy theories, and it's an it's very well researched so. Yeah And then I also wanted to include some fun ones. You know someone's that were like about theories. So that's why like wind of change was in there and then even rabbit hole which wasn't so much fun but Rabbit hole was a little bit more about like. Let's watch the process happen you know. Let's see how this how do people come to believe in conspiracy theories. and. yeah I mean. Somebody. I went to the virtual chapter meeting last weekend and somebody was saying that they remember hearing the statistic and I don't remember if it was in one of these episodes were not that fifty one percent of people believe a conspiracy and I don't know if that's in the United States or whatever. and. Actually after having the discussion about conspiracies I'm surprised. It's. Not. Higher. Than interesting percent. That's very interesting because we had our PBC sten chapter meet up this weekend as well. And it was the first one that we had had since all of this craziness began and it was first of all, I shout out to my Houston friends it was really nice to see everybody and it was nice like I haven't been to one of the overall virtual meetings either but it was really nice to see the people that you know some of the regulars right some of the people you've have seen many times and just connect still in that way just it's just truly it's like having that nice human connection somebody that you don't live with. Somebody you don't work with. It's just great. So shout out to them. I was really happy to see them but we actually we talked about that one question on the playlist like does do you believe in any conspiracies or have you has this changed your view on believing in any conspiracies and everybody was kind of like no, we don't believe in any and so that's funny that you're saying like you would think maybe after listening, there are more people that do believe in different conspiracy or conspiracy theories. Well, I think there's obviously a very negative comment connotation to like I believe in a conspiracy theory right and so people just don't. They don't think it's a conspiracy theory. They've just think of it as truth, right? So. I. Think that in their own head, they probably don't even define it as conspiracy theory like yeah. Like some people might define the election of Donald Trump. As, a con- like there was a conspiracy there and I bet a lot of people believe that but they wouldn't defined it as a conspiracy to define it. Or Yeah, right. So they defined as truth so like I think that there's just like fundamental problem in even asking people the question. Because of just the nature of what a conspiracy conspiracy theory is. And also. Just the connotation that comes along with it like you don't want to be seen as like this lunatic who who believes these crazy things like Elvis alive right but like are some. Like I think we need to say from the outset that conspiracy Is Not, necessarily false conspiracy theory is not necessarily false. There are many many many conspiracy theories that turned out to be true true So yeah, I mean speaking of wind of change you know which we both liked to, and we we've talked about we talked about last month. I think the way that podcast kind of ended up in the end to it's. I mean, we don't spoil anything for anybody but I still think you could believe one way or the other like you could believe that this there is a conspiracy there or you could believe that there's not and. You know it totally could be true. So maybe I'll change my vote before when I was saying I didn't believe in conspiracies that maybe I I give credence to the wind of change theory. I thought. You'd never know like and that's the point is like. Some things that people just take like hard truth others would define as a conspiracy or conspiracy conspiracy theory and you know to me a conspiracy just like two or more people. Colluding to. Do something and undermined something some. We talked about it I in the virtual chapters like for nefarious purposes. You know to kind of sidestep the public process and yeah co like a coup is the thing that kept coming up in my mind over and over and that obviously happens and. In the US like you said, typically it's a for nefarious purposes but sometimes, maybe it's not you know there could be a a conspiracy to remove a dictator something a a coup to remove someone in power that really like that's the better thing for society. So also I think you know we should say that a conspiracy doesn't always lead to a negative outcome either like you know that's probably the. Probably, in history of things that have been proven true. Probably it seems like there are more things that turned out to have a you know some kind of nefarious aspect to them but Yet that that the concept of a coup is the thing that kept coming up in my mind I was listening to the different. Guests on the shows talking about the history like you know if that's the ultimate is like overthrowing government and that requires a conspiracy. Theory but actual conspiracy to papal two or more people have to collude. And agree to this thing outside of sort of what the normal mode of operation would be to do that thing. So. What did you think about we? We're we're talking about truth a little bit and about. How people just believe something because they hear it. What did you think about the episode about the new conspiracies zome from he future hindsight. Did that leave any. Lasting impact on your anything. Yeah I. That one was. So, so I'll say that the other episodes kind of made me feel better about what's going on right now because I was like, oh, it's just kind of the way it's always been like conspiracy theories and people doing crazy things and saying crazy things and it's nothing new. But accept that maybe we have the Internet that makes it easier to spread that kind of stuff. The thing that scares me a little bit about the future hindsight episode is that it's like she her argument is that like this is a completely new. Phenomenon in that, she's saying at least the way that I understood it. That It's It's not about the theory anymore. It's just about a statement of fact. That is based on like a theory, but just stating it with no evidence or. Reason why they? They either think it's true or why It would've been like necessary and you know this one was it was very, very clear sort of where the political leanings of the both the guest and the host are so you know. I try to even though I tend to agree with most of you know I am liberal and. But I still try to listen with a like it's impossible to be one hundred percent on biased right. But I tried to kind of take it with a grain of salt right but she was talking about the inauguration of Donald Trump and how you know he just stated. Outright that there. You know I was the biggest crowd ever whatever Blah Blah Blah like why? It's like a statement with no underlying reason why you would even want to lie about that when it's completely. It's like there's First of all, there's no way to back it up. There's no evidence and like it's so easily. uncovered as a outright lie that seem sort of like silly. And so that's one point as. This conspiracies on it's not based on any theory as to statements of fact that Sorta just throw everything into chaos and disarray and she kept using the word disorientation. Like. It was all about just disorienting people and that's scary. That's it. Gets me super scared because then. You could see where people like regular people who are just living regular everyday lives and have other stuff going on. They don't want to spend all their time trying to suss out what's true and what's not true. Yes. Are Just GonNa stop believing anything. Yes. I honestly I thought this was the one episode out of the list that I have been telling people about I, really like the list overall. But this is the one where an I think I just think it was really compelling audio I think it was put together really well I think it was really fascinating to have this kind of. Futuristic view of what what might conspiracy to be in the future and yeah, it's based on something that's happening right now something that's bad and happening in the US locally over the last four years. So yeah, it's kind of isolated I. Don't think you can necessarily extrapolate that and say this is a new whatever a new philosophy new theory but I think. Because we live here and we see it. Like it was so. So. Like. I don't know what the word is but just kind of. smacked me in the face kind of to say. Oh. Yeah. This leader literally lies about everything and you're right. It's because people become. It's this chaos in the store disorientation. People don't have the time to think about art to spend thinking about critically is this true and should I believe this and and then you get this you know confirmation bias from people that are around you or or. Our leader of this country I will say that with lower case Al capital I can't even call him president will. Will Give. You that con- you know continue to confirm and say, no, it's true. The inauguration was the biggest one we've ever had, and then like you just start to like you get that over and over and you're like and you. Doubt Your own sanest to. Wait second he is so convinced by this just like are looking at the photos and you're like, am I not like. What am I not seeing and then you start just just this is so stupid. I'm just going to give up altogether. And then so that's sort of. Why the attack on the media is also so scary because the that's exactly what the media's job is is to kind of like figure out what's true figure out what's not true and tell us right and and so it's like this two pronged attack. where he you know like? There's disarray and disorientation, and then an attack on the groups that are meant to. suss everything out and reorient the public. So is quite scary and that one is the one that sort of like. I really enjoyed it but I was like. You almost want to listen to more you're like, oh Well you know other stick my head in the sand this this one really I we we were so lucky in our local chapter, we had professor of psychology and social psychology come to our meeting was like the perfect person come and he talked to us about this concept of motivated reasoning and I want to read a quick little paragraph. It's from psychology ticket today about what motivated reasoning is in ties so into what we're talking about so as To Maintain Positive Self Regard People unwittingly discount unflattering or troubling information that contradicts their self image individuals engage in motivated reasoning as a way to avoid or. Congress dissonance, which is the mental discomfort people experience when confronted by contradictory information especially on matters that directly relate to their comfort happiness and mental health rather than reexamining a contradiction, it's much easier to dismiss it. So it's like this is it's like this is so innate. It's like we're like. It's it takes so much effort. It's like really difficult question and say. Should I be believing this and you're right. Then it's like leads to this south doubt thing like wait am I is my initial instinct wrong. In question your own instinct is feels terrible and then I feel like there's this other element of like overtime. Of just like exhaustion. So I feel like that could also explain why like as we age were just like more and more set in our beliefs and our ways because we're just so freaking tired of like questioning everything and you know we're just like whatever I believe what I believe it doesn't even matter anymore. And that's it. You know 'cause I can't. If this was the status I could easily see myself getting so tired. Exhausted of it so it is quite scary and. I think you also mentioned to me before and I want to hear what he had to say the same Professor About Doomsday Oh Yang and yes. Yeah. We well that I didn't even think about that before But he he you know this Adam, he brought up that. You know there are a lot of similarities like I guess their studies and everything that prove this. They're people people their similarities between people who are doomsday peppers and people that believe in conspiracy theories and that there are a lot of conspiracies out there So I again when he that I was just like and then I thought well, I guess it kind of makes sense. So what do you think about that? Well, so I sort of went on this crazy rampage, not rampage but like a during the virtual meeting where I feel like everybody probably thought. So apologized anybody out there who was at that meeting and heard me like. Turn into a complete lunatic. I. have been so okay. Have you heard of the podcast it could happen here. No. Okay. It's called. It's called. It can happen here it's. Done in two thousand nineteen and the whole idea the home whole premise behind this podcast is that. It is the civil war. Civil War could happen here in the United States I think I remember hearing about that. Yeah. Yeah and I sort of avoided it like the plague for a long time because I was like not going there and my head like I just don't I can't. And then I decided to listen because like it just feels scarier Gary irritate me with pandemic am the waves and then the protests and the and and and then the election coming up like all of it just seems to be like really. Like just happening in a very short period of time. And I just don't. I. Don't know how this is all GonNa roll out. So I stupidly decided to listen. It's excellent. Excellently done it's very well researched, but after three episodes had to be like, that's it. No, I'm not listening anymore because honestly it media WANNA, start like stock pile. And get a like a gun licence because I was like he was like okay. So this is how it would happen if it was started by the right you know, and this is how it would happen if it was started by the left and he had this thing, he did it and I think the episode I listened to. Talked about this was done in February of two thousand eighteen. And he he was like, okay. So this is what happens. There are protests in the street. It doesn't really matter why there are just like something sparks protests. There are protests in the streets and it happened it spreads nationwide and federal troops are are. Deployed and for the most part, it's it's calm but then you know one of the you know. One of the troops. Opens Fire and kills Blah Blah Blah. He basically said exactly what happens in many places? And I was like, Oh, my God this is happening and he's and he wrote this and he recorded and nineteen. Early nineteen. So I was kind of like, Oh, God this is getting super creepy and I had to stop. So I didn't listen to all of it I listen to three and stopped but then I started like doomsday propping sort of like in my head I didn't I didn't actually go out and apply for a gun licence I didn't actually go out and start stockpiling food but I started thinking about it like kind of like in an semi serious way where I was like. Maybe it's not a bad idea to be. Prepared and safe yeah. Somewhat prepared. So I don't know I don't know if that means that I had done. Believe in conspiracy theories because then actually everybody started going Oh. So you believe in a conspiracy theory and I was like well I don't know is that a conspiracy theory? There's nobody conspiring to like start a civil war here. It's just like what? It's like a turn of events. That would happen because of sort of like history and politics and social strife and all the things that caused that kind of thing it's not necessarily I think like two people are. You know meeting in some secret room and being like, okay. You ready to start the civil war you know. So, I don't know it's just. Incredibly, frightening. So I recommend EPA. Don't recommend it. It's one of those weird ones where I'm like. You have to. You have to. Be Strong you have to you'll have to let us know if anybody out there listening to it also. Yeah. So let's let's take a break and we'll come back and talk about podcast recommendations. Hey podcast brunch club. We'd like to tell you about our new podcast on CD and cannabis. It's called how to do the pot and it's here to answer women's secretly Google questions about weed. I think of it as a modern woman's guide to legal cannabis listen women share personal stories of how cannabis improved their health and wellbeing and medical doctors breakdown science to explain why. No matter your experience getting to your best cannabis outcome is possible with the right died. How do the pot is here to be yours and is available wherever you listen to podcasts. We're back. Sarah what podcast recommendations do you have for us this month? So I just have one recommendation this month and it is in good company and it is from Shannon Cason So a lot of listeners probably recognize him from some other stuff he's done. He's been on this American life in different segments and he has his his show. That's just like him kind of pontificating instead of which is homemade stories with Shannon case in and then he's had some other shows as well like some other. Forays into in you know independent podcasting. So it's from Detroit and leave. That's where he lives and he goes out and interviews people who have either started a business in Detroit or who have like a couple of them have been people who have inherited a business from their family So just people like trying to make a small business work in Detroit and you know Detroit's kind of just like the backdrop it really could be you could do this and other cities but I just. Don't have a ton to say about it other than I, pretty much everything. He does like I feel like I want to nominate him for Mind My podcast Brunch Club Hall of fame. But you know, I, just think he is just an excellent storyteller at the way he. The, the the cadence, and the the measured way that he speaks when telling stories is super captivating to me and you know these stories are they're not about him. You know there are about the people that are trying to make it in these small businesses But he he like adds something to the story. You know instead of I, think a Lotta interviewers end up taking something away. I just really like his kind of like somewhat informal style like he's like talking to them like, Hey, we're friends you know until you feel like then you're listening to a couple of friends talk about their business, but it's not like a bro way you know like No offense to the BRO podcasts out there. But you know it's not in that like Oh tell me about the the the three characteristics that you had that made you successful and what's your social media strategy whatever? No, it's like. So, how does this work with your family like or is it weird to have inherited a business from your parents or whatever? Like? That's awesome. That's really the questions I want to know the answers to I don't care how somebody's you know personal. Philosophy about what made them successful? It's no I just like I like the story it's really totally like lifestyle society culture. Totally what exactly then that niche of a podcasting is. I don't know I just I like it. So that's my suggestion. Yeah, he. He is a multi. Winner of the moth. Story Slams. I. You know I I know I've heard many of his stories on the moth. He also lived in Chicago for a long time and then moved back to Detroit. And Yeah he's Great. Actually the way that you're describing that podcast a little bit like in the blocks. Out of the blocks out. Yeah kind of like yeah. Of Real hyper local like, hey, how're you like? How are you doing what? What's your? How hyper local like What's what's the relation to the neighborhood that you're in that kind of thing? Yeah it is. It's like it's kind of like out of the blocks but making it a little bit more about the business. Yeah. So yeah, that's That sounds really good. I just listened to out of the blocks episode yesterday about. Businesses actually about small businesses than some some like area that they're gentrifying. So they're like all of these small vendors are having to close up shop because they're gonNA tear this bill big building down and rebuild it so. Yeah, I can appreciate a good interviewer. I can see Shannon case then would be a good just a good. You know type person to. Have a real conversation. Yeah. Exactly. What do you? What do you recommend for us this month? Yeah. So my my recommendation is a little bit abnormal for me. It's a little out of my wheelhouse because it sort of true crime and a lot of people who listen to this podcast. Now that I'm not usually one to like true crime, but it's called somebody and it's set in Chicago, which is where I live where I'm from. And it's done by a mother of a young man who was. Shot and then. Died essentially outside of Chicago Police Department. And there's a whole backstory, an investigation but like the Chicago Police Department unsurprisingly did a terrible job of investigating what happened to this poor young man and this woman is just like this fierce fierce mother who has like I am going to find out what happened to my son, and so she basically goes on this investigation to try to figure out what happened with her son and how he was shot and. She you know she talks to people that the police never even. talked to and she really sort of. I wouldn't say solves the crime but gets a little bit more clarity into like what happens and it's really well done and this woman is just like. She's wonderful. She's like a fierce Mama who you just like I want her on my son you know. So Yeah. I. Would recommend that that's awesome. I will check it out. Yeah. So we also got a few recommendations from the PC community and we'll check him out now. Hi, this is Brian from Austin Texas. My new favorite podcast is the darkest time line. podcast from a doctor Can Jong and Joel McHale from community. It's a spinoff from the community TV show. They talk about community and corona writers because Kim Jong Comedian and actor is also a physician. and Joel Mchale if you know him from the soup they're both very funny. They get along really well, talk about community and the Corona Virus I love it. They have guests from the show. It's amazing. They're hilarious and talk about the. Show. All right. Welcome. Welcome to Emily's recommendations emily. I'm coming to you from New York right now and I wanted to recommend a couple of things. So I'm going to recommend based on category I, because I think it's easier to do it that way my personal favorite type of podcast is audio dramas. So I tend to know a lot more audio dramas then. Your average gout. So there's a brand. There's a couple of brand spanking new ones that are pretty good and I definitely recommend them and The first one is ferry. It's Middle Beats Wail and American public radio. So if you guys like to black tapes and tennis, that's the same production company and it's pretty formulaic to what they normally do. So you'll feel right at home listening to that one. What it's about, it's about fairies in them being tracked down by like this suspicious men in black type. Organization. there's also another audio drama called. Borowska with deals with this kind of crazy story. that. is about abduction and a treehouse and drug use and. Different stuff. It's got a lot of themes that it ties together, but it's definitely a well produced hand written podcast. Definitely recommend that one for audio drama. and. Then my last audio drama pic is unwell unwell I think maybe doesn't get the. The props that it should. It's a fantastic audio drama. It's set in the Midwest and it's got this Lake American Gothic vibe to it but there's something spooky going on and you're not quite sure what definitely ten out of ten recommend that one the accents in it alone are fantastic and as always mission does X. Smyth FAV-. That one's great. For? Non Audio drama ones. If you're big into. Living Online and. How social media affects our every everyday life Rabbit hole is fan tastic. So rabbit hole is done by new. York Times and what it talks about is the Youtube Algorithm in how the Youtube Algorithm affects people's political beliefs and how the Youtube Algorithm might actually be how we got to where we are now. 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Episode 94  Free Talk, Follow Up and Elementary School Hustlin

Casual Fridays REI

19:13 min | 1 year ago

Episode 94 Free Talk, Follow Up and Elementary School Hustlin

"Welcome to the Casual Fridays R._E._I.. PODCASTS where you'll learn about the wildly profitable Mitch of land thing active lane investors atoms Southie and Justice Lebeau are here to share their experiences with you so that you can learn how to build a massive cash flow and huge profits from this highly lucrative niche so without further ado here your host Adam Southie and Justice Leva. Hey what's up guys. I'm Adam Southie. He was my co host. Justin's Liba and this is the couch Fridays R._e._I.. podcast today. We're GONNA actually talk a little bit more about one of our popular shows last week. We got a few more tweaks and things we WANNA throw in and we're catching up. We're having some fun in <hes> before do that. Though let's talk about your mail guys we all know they're getting offers into the hands of people with land that you want to buy as crucial to the success of our business. There's there's no better way or cheaper way to do it. Then offer owners Justin I both run our business on it and couldn't be happier. It's quick it's easy and by far the most effective way to get your letters out. Go check him out. Let's I stepped. W. Dot offers the number two and owners dot com happy Wednesday yeah everyone's I it's good now that you're not screaming in my ear Yup aw he edited out so you'll never hear my woo. I'm trying to do my intro and he goes screaming like a fan girl screaming like the guy from the wrestling feeling was it randy savage the slim Jim guy well yeah and then my job hopped on. I try to put my whole the whole microphone in my mouth that is true. He did just try to put the entire microphone and his mouth. It didn't work unpopular with lost all high school credit. Just not populated didn't make prompting. Oh man so it's Wednesday it is Wednesday. It's one of those funky today's someday yeah so kids dubbed this wacky Wednesday. I think U.. DUB that wacky Wednesday date they listen they call it wacky Wednesday well. That's good. Do they even know what's they hear Dad's voice on the I think so yeah I think so they they talk about properties they everything's a property they now. They were driving under oath point random stuff because that's somebody's property dad. That's so speaking of young I had told you this had Peta. We have an eight year old listener really that has been using the coffee money real estate method. He bought his first eight properties and they are on Ebay now. Wow so I'm not going to put his name out there. I told him when he sells his first eight. Properties will bring him in. He's local really yeah so we'll bring him in. Let him do an interview with us. Okay Okay Yeah. That's that's yeah I'm with the kid thinks he's on top of the world so for you is saying so for you fifty something year old people out here. No there's eight year old kid. That just says you know what I'm GONNA buy some real estate. I can wow some pretty stoked about that. I didn't tell you he ran into him two weekends ago and he told me that catch them at the winery or what he was picking up some wind he said I want to be like when I grow up so yeah. No I was was <hes> we have mutual friends so it was <hes>. It's it's it's fun. I love to hear that so it's my nephew. He's <hes> we're not gonNA tell you that at the just GonNa let you know that he's eight. He's he's just told him but he's not getting any help for me I he. He told me after he'd listed on so. You didn't even know that he was. I didn't know he was buying yeah well. That's real cool yeah so far from era no come right on over. He ride his bike on. I hope he rides his bike. Helmet on like like a boss. Come up skid marks in your driveway and walks in here owns the podcast and says you know what I'm real estate investor. I'm eight. There's the future of proprietors right I tell you it's our exit plan. We just need to get groomed the eight when can he takes so we gotta hold out for like ten ten years before he can. I mean he could start taking over like sixteen seventeen all right yeah. She's had to put him on the payroll. Child labor law started fourteen in Texas so he worked fourteen hours a week so we can have fourteen so we yeah I Reason I I just don. We hadn't talked about it. We hadn't caught up on that but I was sitting with <hes> another listener of ours she she does some like wealth planning financial stuff and so a couple couple years ago. A friend of mine set Jackson Jordan up with <hes>. I'M NOT GONNA call it a life insurance policy but it's protected by life insurance so a product that <hes> you know I pay eighty bucks a month for each kid until it's fully funded and if they don't touch it it's worth x amount. It'll it'll help pay for college or if it just stays there when they get ready to retire. It's worth half a million bucks and I got eighteen grand in it. It's kind of a slow investment but it's a secure one for them well she. She's going to do for Cason Caisson and you know we were talking about. You know compounding interest in you know all you need time with that and how you can keep combine your money we talk about the velocity money a lot and how we compound our stuff <hes> by turning it back into the business by Moorland flipping it so one property terms of three properties nine properties turns to twenty-seven properties next thing you know you have too much land and you don't know what to do with it and you hope you get out before the recession hits and you. You got cash sitting there so she was looking case and stuff but you know I'm thinking to myself at at one years old. The youngest is one. You know if we put in for X.. Amount of time kid has four or five million dollars in their here in fifty sixty years but then it's really wanNA keep making a payment every month for sixty years so you know is is aligning. What's truly going to happen what he really going to do to save forum oil. And how much can you do to make impact on your life later on versus just little stuff so you know but the the whole common denominator between compounding interest in getting we started early as time and so the more time you have that you know about the stuff the quicker you get involved and get started making moves the better off. You're going to be no yeah you ever see this comparison where it's like if your start investing five hundred dollars a month at age twenty two versus even starting like thirty thirty thirty thirty five forty yeah. It's like a crazy difference. I saw once for someone said if you started at twenty five hundred bucks a month into an investment until you're thirty and he never touched it again. It would be worth more than someone who started at thirty and invested all the way until you're sixty. are that's crazy time baby now now think of your nephew starting at eight years old. He buys his first eight. He sells those and he does that. He has twenty five properties by the time he's going into middle school. Uh like think about that about walking into high school and you turn sixteen your sophomore year and you have been doing this now for eight years. Half Your Life and you pay cash for that Lambeau. I mean if you rolled up to high school Milan books. He'll go he'll go. He'll go to the Aso you roll up and broken a Lambeau. The principles pull you in one dope money so tell people lamb lamb money's better than dope money. You don't go to jail for it. Yeah that's true yeah well. I guess you could somehow but not the way we're doing it as long as you buying and selling which really years yeah so yeah that'd be cool. I'm excited had to see his journey. I like you've got me really interested in this whole thing now dude. I'm telling you it's it's a neat thing you know we we started with you know for me. It's about changing in some people's lives in you know to get like a massive salary from casual Fridays now. It's it's more of a way to get stuff off our chest way hey to work through our own issues and then like the like the intro- says you know we're just here to share our journey as we go through this. You know it's been fruitful in some events. It's helped us bring bring deals to us. It's let us look at some other properties <hes> but you know ultimately if he keeps us up and say he does one property a month for the next eight ten years. You know that's one hundred twenty properties that he flipped by the time he's eighteen. Let's go we. I realize that I need to know more so we have to stay on track with him. Yup Yep so I look forward to. It already told him that that's his. He sells property. He gets come in his mom told me that's probably not a good idea because he'll be so eight up with ah he he'll start his own podcast the next week good yeah nowadays you got the Hustle. I like it <hes> so we talked about flash Friday being your own boss and and man. I've gotten some feedback on this show. Yeah I mean I could see how it could strike nervous. Some people like being the boss of your own business right know anyone getting the getting away getting away our tell you you're doing it wrong or steer you in the direction. That's not right for you or so. I had a guy he he calls me 'cause dude. You struck my nerve. He goes this the volume on spending right now about to make a small tweak because of this and it's going to save me close to forty thousand dollars a year. It's a lot I mean. He's got college kids. That's a years worth of private. The university <hes> that's a new truck. That's a whole state school in it yeah yeah that's a that's adjusting getting another car <hes> forty thousand that's that's a lot of money and and I know I know you're talking about so like the he was so like taught that he had to do something one way and like right and then all of a sudden actually grow grow and you develop as entrepreneur. You're trying to reduce operating costs. He looked around. He found something cheaper right but he's still being pulled in. One direction is so what the show show is about right now. Let's take charge and it becomes an internal conflict because yeah you do form alliances. Do you form like appreciations and I don't think that you know again and when you help somebody grow and you try to make them better and you try to look and make your business better than you taking care of your families you know if I spent an extra forty thousand bucks. A year in my kids couldn't eat whose fault is that so you're saying if they spent that forty thousand and nothing happened that was because he didn't take the time to find you know make business better right. He didn't take the he didn't take it by the reins and move with it so it I applaud him for looking at it and running that fire drill that we talked about you know we ask you to do it over the weekend and take a look at your business. Do this fire drill and maybe you pull something out of it <hes>. Maybe you know it's the ten minutes a day. You're listening to us that you should be researching another county now. Wait wait hold on. Did you tell them not to listen to listen. Let us while you're researching. You can do two things at once. You need to work on your multi multi tasking asking skills example yeah. No I say that jokingly put another tweet. I had a guy call. Say Call reached out. It may have been social media maven whatever messaging service he used to get hold of me and he said he did the same thing but he found that his letter service that he was using was like nine cents more than what he could pay with offers to owners and he didn't realize that he didn't realize he'd go down to one hundred letters with them and that had that tweak alone is probably going to save him. You know I wanna say it was like we figured ten thousand bucks over the next year so he was paying more than the fifty nine yeah he was. I WANNA say he was paying seventy three cents but that I don't WanNa. Don't quote me on that because I don't remember yeah. I know there's a there's a mail service out there. That's pretty popular SELENA investors at somewhere in that seventy eighty cents ladder range and that's just I mean to me seems very I yeah and then this guy also was doing cards. I I post cards postcards. It's so he was sending his blind offers after the post came back on a male yeah yeah so you take that in you've that's that's why his volume was up to a point was but you know he better is being better results. They sold some properties from switching to that method but we talking with the blind offers so I mean that's that's man. That's what all this is about a Guinea eight-year-old excited about business. That's awesome. B being your own boss and taking control of what you have in front view and allowing yourself to flourish you know if your first here's a building year because you're trying to learn the different things and you make a grand or two. You don't lose money great you. You won the second year. Though you come out the gates known exactly what you need to have a plan in place executed if you're still sitting there year two and you don't have a plan just dialed filed in you need to focus. You need to start getting back through the basics of your business. 'cause you're probably looking at way too much stuff. Yeah Yeah rain it in. I mean like you just said if I years building year right. Take that entire year and just learn everything you can decide where you want to be in the year two and year three and beyond and just kinda worked toward that goal so that you know no October November December of the current year you you're right Iraq. You're going to take destroy the next year. Yep and that's I get so so like head down stuff like my lamb. You'll business is what it is like. I know exactly what I'm GONNA. Mail and people are like Oh. Why do you do it that way. It's a machine I don't. I don't mess with the machine now. I'm so like hyperactive when it comes to looking at new stuff not Shiny Object Syndrome. I'm I'm saying land stuff so I'm like okay. I've got my by for ten. Sell Self for Thirty Textbook Lamb. You'll business is what I do so it may be five thousand. Maybe seventeen thousand or twenty thousand purchasing four and they're going to sell for three times that that is constantly constantly moving. It's just a constant constant inventories air. We stay against it. We buy we sell we buy we sell we buy we sell plum does its thing and then. I always have have one. I call it like an experimental. Hell Mary you know just I don't want call it high risk but it's a strategic risk going so I can continue to grow. Oh my knowledge base in my business so like we we melt sections would in sub sections and subdivide the subdivision properties. We've got we got. Three we had three in escrow this week to fell out and so we have one that we're going to close it will end up just being a flip. <hes> so we're buying section is just going to be a straight flip. It's actually not gonna be subdivided and then we have our subdivide going on in Virginia right now. The survey is out there cutting it up right now so I mean that's going forward yeah. I was GONNA ask about that Virginia property. That's all move forward and closed and rock and roll so they contract. Everything's good <hes> attorneys finishing up the paperwork <hes> it was six estates six estates. We paid for one attorney to handle their stuff. Who will be the point of contact with us on on the contract and then <hes> so we've got everything everybody's pre signed with that attorney given them power of attorney to close deal so it's only one signature not like fifty e-signatures exciting yeah and then we're we were changed up. What we're going to cut it a little bit. We're GONNA originally do like I think it was fifteen properties <hes> now it's going going to be seven but still it hits the margins that we wanted to hit so pretty exciting <hes> starting stuff. It's beautiful up there. Do you have photos photos not yet. I just got about his back to them pretty proud of one of these properties. I hit this like honey pot of just like really pretty property and Nice Yeah Yeah. It's yes. It's nice. It's like the part of me is like man. I keep these well I would not that's just not me. I don't keep things but but the thought does cross my mind when you look at these and they're like really pretty. You Know Yeah Yeah but money money runs money running rules everything right around about now so what we do when you get it. You don't have to worry about money. You just GonNa keep you. GonNa hold properties. Are you going to sell them. I don't know because every time I do like seriously think about keeping a property. The the next question I have is will will win when I go visit it yeah and at this point in my life. I'd rather go to like a nice fun place than just go roughing it out camping somewhere fair enough. You get your airstream or go. Live on your land. Well that goes against what I just said. I want to stay in that like luxury villa or something okay okay. GimMe Gimme a resort at a mountain or something like that. You heard it. He's boozy like the paws up resort. I'm dying to go there. The what the paws up resort what is that it is a five star luxury ranch and I can't really describe much more about it. It's it's a huge massive ranch right but it's very five-star like luxuries celebrity chefs. Take care of you got these giant tense tenser nicer than my house okay and they're on on the river and it's it's a awesome place posit looking at paws up. This is awesome like your first class bus ride to Houston. Yeah I.. I would do that buster. I'll I'll I'll again. You would do it again. Okay you heard it here but the thing that I liked most two things I like most about that bus ride is I didn't have to drive 'cause that's why I wanted to do it right because for like Mary. Beth didn't matter because she was. GonNa kick back and relax whether I was driving or we were on a bus right for me. I didn't want to drive. I didn't want to deal with the traffic and the second the stewardess incoming by with food and lunch and all that the entire time with the T._v. and the recliner worth every dollar to me okay here's one online right gold yeah. Fort Worth to Houston and Fort Worth Austin for a hundred bucks each way yeah you can eat all you can drink alcohol separate correct. Yeah Okay I.. I know you look like you would never do that. That's not your thing. I don't like not having a car when I get there. You had a ride I mean I like. I like my party saying you know what maybe go into. Austin wouldn't be too bad go to Austin Uber Round Austin for the night or to drive back the next day in Austin. It would drive. The bus bus drops you off right in the middle downtown. You're going to stay downtown. You're walk everywhere I suppo- yeah I been Austin since when was that phone party in two thousand and who doesn't three <hes> I don't I don't I never been a phone party Oeste. You didn't go with this big group. We like had like twelve of us that we stayed in one hotel room. <hes> wasn't one of them. Okay yeah fair enough seventeen eighteen years ago as long time ago I was. I was probably at Church or something while you were note anything else no I well. I think I was really glad that we touch back on last week's show because I know the kind of struck a chord with people and I know there was some follow up needs to be done and maybe it's more people heard today and then go back and listen. I think it was Friday's show yeah yeah so that was a good one <hes> but yeah we're glad you're listening today and we love yes. Oko Show US some love facebook and instagram casual. Fridays gives us a follow and then <hes> stitcher itunes and wherever else you are listening to US review the show like show five stars and <hes> leave some feedback we love before. I will see you Friday.

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Peter Berg: Director & Filmmaker

Suiting Up with Paul Rabil

1:05:27 hr | 1 year ago

Peter Berg: Director & Filmmaker

"I like to follow the tech percent role. You want to be working with someone who's maybe ten percent better than your but no more you end up taking each other the two fighters. Take your other to a place emotionally physically spiritually. It's not like sex, but it's a very euphoric experience. You and I could take some each other now to that place in the ring where you're confronting your fear. You're performing level. You're not sure you could I'm performing level. And as soon as it's over fighters hug, each other's fighters, love each other so much you and I have just taken each other somewhere that drug can't take us that a romantic partner can't take us that gambling. Can't take us. You know, say very here. Hi, what's up everyone? I'm Paul rebel, professional athletes, co founder of the premier lacrosse league. And this is an all new episode of suiting up podcast last week, we launched season three hosting one of the greatest athletes in the world of all time. Jim Brown and this week I was fortunate to host one of the greatest filmmakers in the world, Peterberg and on the show. I typically reference learning either new skill Pippen idea here backstory, unexpectedly this week's episode. There was everything we talked about, overcoming fear tactics in meditation. Achieving ten percent improvement in the flow. State best practices in managing a company like hiring tactics. The neuroscience benefits of helping others the beauty of storytelling, which Peter does so, well, new tech in more so. Yeah, PB is one of the greatest, and most genuine people. I know this is a spectacular interview hope you're enjoying the start of the season as soon as podcast and especially enjoyed the show. Thanks for allowing me to come back to Churchill boxing. Good davir. Yeah. Last time I was here is eighteen months ago. And you were doing one of your speaker series events with Dan awaiting, and Freddie Roach, it's easier to host than hosted. You think so? I think I guess you do for a living, essentially, well, I can just deflect and ask questions, and then be quiet. Now. I have to talk. So why, why boxing, the white? What's I was always a big box from fan? My dad was was a huge Muhammad Ali fan. He made sure that I appreciated what a remarkable human being Allie was, and I was fortunate to grow up in the air. Great heavyweights. So Ali Frazier homes, can Norton men was kind of a great moment and boxing and something we haven't seen in a while. So I inherited love boxing. I was always pretty aggressive kid and when I was a kid my parents sent me to this camp in Cape Cod, Massachusetts. And the owner of the camp was a second path, and he used to get some of the counselors at night drunk, and they would come and it was kind of Lord of the flies shit. They would pick two of us and it takes us out into the woods and they take rope around the trees and make a ring, and they'd just put us in ring and bet on us so that you. We would just have to fight it out. No lessons at that point, or were you like, no, we didn't know what we're doing clubs and fight, and I kinda liked it. In a weird prime level liked the, the release in the challenge, and kind of overcoming the fear. I remember the young age being terrified to Spar, and then afterwards, even if I lost realizing will I'm still alive. You know, I got I got punched in face, I got bloody. But I'm okay, and I actually remember the respect that I would get from the counselors after we've gone through it. It was as though we had done something that they actually were probably scared to do. We actually got in there and did it. And I've always had an incredible respect for fighters gone to tons of fights and, you know, sitting in the audience of, of, of, of a prizefight people are having find in their drinking and partying, and they're talking about shit like they know and you see the two fighters actually get that ring. Left alone. And I was felt like those are the only two guys that really know the truth and, and at such respect for, for that culture in that kind warrior spirit that I wanted to, to pursue it to keep to keep to create an environment where I could. Show, people boxing and teach people who would perhaps never boxed, but also help look after fighters. And so now we're managing fighters here and trying to do everything we can to be a part of the growth of the sport. How old were you when you when you were doing that at that camp? But the camp BB thirteen thirteen because I just keep thinking when when like young males are grown up. And I was like this most of the way that we interact with our peers through sports or in the classroom, or is, is a lot of it is just like bucking up and trying to be tough. Who's the toughest do you think like getting thrown into that situation? Gave you the confidence that you carry yourself where were you always like fighting there's always gonna be some like fear? I mean, I think that fear is something that I live with every day, every day I wake up and there's something I don't want to do. And I generally try to kind of identify what, what is it? I'm shying away from whether it's. A business deal calling someone to try and close the deal. And I don't wanna do it, having unpleasant conversation with a friend breaking up with the girlfriend. Dealing with some bullshit. My family things that I generally try to avoid, you know. And I think those are things that on some level, scare me and try to identify those things in, in rather than shirk them, revolt them. But I actually go at them. Find the things that I'm scared of, and instead of ignoring it, and procrastinate procrastinating about it attack it, and I find that when I do that generally things work out, really. Well, I believe in confrontation and I one of my loves of boxing. I'll be at this gym. We have sparring here every day. And there's always somebody in the great boxing, such a great equalizer, because really matter who you are. You know, we have providers we have, you know, hip hop stars, and movie stars. We have cops, and we have homeless people to come this gym every anybody can get in the ring with anybody in Spar. And I'll always find someone. I don't really people always ask me if I'm gonna go. Oh, and do they ask you everybody wants to beat me up? I sparred Cam Newton in here last year. And Hebron knocked me unconscious, I'll Spar almost anyone. He's huge. He's six seven. Yeah. He's that was a mistake that was a big mistake, and then Sequeira Markley came down here and tried to Spar me last summer the greatest athlete right now. How wouldn't I wouldn't? I wouldn't mess a qualm Barkley. He's too strong like Mike Cason bigger, and he knows how to box Camden not Bach. So I thought maybe I could survive a little bit, but he's just too, too much. But, but even Kim, I never should've like Mesler Cam Newton, but I will, I will find someone that I don't want to engage with. And, and when I say sparring, I'm much I'm not I'm not fighting we're not here to like at this point my life. I'm not gonna let some knock me unconscious, you know, we'll put limitations on how hard you can throw rights, and how many left hooks, you could hit somebody with before you have to back off. But the idea of findings using his gyms a place to confront fear, in that ring is a place where you and I could get in the ring and. Have a controlled sparring session, and you would confront a lot of emotion, and you would confront fear and you would confront your relationship with violence and traumas would come up, and I've seen people burst into tears after sparring sessions after whether they've done. Well, they've done poorly, which brings up so much emotion. And that's something that I got back when I was at camp at thirteen it was very emotional. And it was enabling me to do something that, generally, I would avoid which is getting into a physical altercation when someone even if it's controlled, it's still brings up a lot of emotion. And I almost always feel a lot better in clear after Spar with something that, for the most part is probably binary in that, you know, Cam wins, that, that sparring match Cham Cham, almost killed me. And everyone in the gym who secretly wanted because they love and I get hit and, including my son, who is there at a certain point because I thought we kind of go light and the second I hit Kamina jot lately, but I hit him in he just switched into a mode, you know, in candidate very, very strong gentleman. He went crazy and went to a hundred very very quickly, and I remember my son screaming can't stop, stop stop she's out and camp backed up, but it was like it was just too much. And so that I guess that's where I'm going on, on the on the front of post fight. How much have you learned about? And it's it's it would be a humbling experience. I know having lost probably more games than I've won. But everyone talks about games one, but there's in a team sport you back to your locker room and you can so it your teammates and coaches an individual sport. Like have you found that there's all this? Zenit from a loss or you like how do you digest those feelings, and, and is it common to get back with the person who just tick your ass? And let's go grab a beer like, oh, well, I mean 'cause I got imagine the post fight emotions are also where there could be some treatment. Well, I mean, we're not we're talking about sparring, which different than than fighting and. You know, I find generally that when, when two people Spar men or women if you and I spy are, and I like to follow the ten percent rule, which is you want it. You want to be working with someone who's maybe ten percent better than you, but no more. Visit ten percent. You can engage in you that person can can can pull you up to their level. And, and if you're if you're sparring some who's thirty percent Reeker than you're less skilled. It's not going to be, there's going to be any real challenge for, you're not gonna get into a flow state. You're going to have to be sort of holding yourself back. But if you're within ten percent of each other, which is kind of how I like to control it here, you end up taking each other the two fighters kick each other to a place, emotionally physically spiritually. That is like it's not like sex, but it's a very fork experience. You and I could take some each other to that place in the ring where you're. Fronting your fear. You're performing level. You're matcher you could. I'm performing level were giving and taking kind of equally with respect. And as soon as it's over fighters hug, each other's fighters, love each other so much you and I have just taken somewhere that drug can't take us that up a romantic partner can't take us that gambling can't take us. You know, it's a very pure high, and I'm sure you've experienced plan across you're in zone with, like a teammate near you know flown with each other Nola passes, and that kind of beauty rhythm that, that comes from two people working together athle- when you're trying to hit each other in the face, it's a little more intense. I think. Yeah. You that's brings up a thought that I see, especially with social media now and athletes that are active after a game. Everyone hugs each other in win or defeat. And it seems like within twenty four hours of that game. Game these like hyper masculine, males that play sports are in their most like vulnerable state, and they're all going. I love this team. I'm on love these guys love these gals. I'd do anything for them. They tweet about it. And then, you know that, that time is federal and they move forward that like, well, they're everything on the line. Connects you at the deepest, I think, if you like like just did some neuro science on it, you've got dopamine Lang surging, and it's, it's real chemical experience. You know, when you when you were boxes when you when you're engaged in a really good sparring ship where you're watching really good pro fight. That's even in very skillful in. There's giving taking you're looking at fighters who are experiencing, you know, they're, they're deeply in his own deep, deep flow state. They're, they're completely oblivious to the to the environment that they're in. And it's just this. It's say the. Boxing is incredible moving meditation. I, I like to meditate, but I'm pretty hyper, so for me to sit for fifteen minutes is tough. But in, in a sparring situation it's it's you're not thinking about anything else other than the person in front of you experience front of you and your solar, and so focused and if you're doing it, right. You're breathing. And you're moving sledding, and you're engaged in an experience that really elevator brand chemistry. And, and the love between the Levin this gym after sparring sessions, generally sometimes it gets really nasty. I've seen that too, especially when parents are involved and it had had some issues in sports generally between the fighters. It's an there's an incredible loving emotional relationship that exists even in what appears to be a very violent encounter. Yeah. I wanna I wanna get to meditation and here. A little bit more about your practice. But do you going back to those priorities and prioritizing specifically the hard conversations and this shit that we wanna were have previously procrastinate on? Do you find that in a like almost a sadistic way having a hard conversation also gives if done appropriately also gives you that dopamine release? I mean, I think it gives you. Yeah. Variety of religious, confronting anytime you confront fear and realize you're still alive. That's, that's a win. I think in if. You know, you look if I'm if I'm in business, if I'm trying to, to get a movie, Greenland, ninety some of the give me a whole ton of money, and I'm like, it's go time. I gotta sit down in front of and ask for the actual money. I was like businesses artists. I mean it's the only thing that matters right side. Tell everybody works me like everybody in business ninety nine percent people in business do everything they can avoid actually saying, I need money. Can I have? Yes or no, right? And the person that can actually put that conversation on the table. Let's go. Let's straight up. Here's here's why. I think you should give me the money. Here's what the risks are. Here's what the rewards are. Here's why I'm worthy worthy custodian of your money. Yes or no? That's, that's a hard conversation have people don't like to do that. Because they're terrified. That's, that's not unlike getting in the ring, and then I'm gonna try not you at guess, or. No. And I think that anytime you confront. Initial, and you, you, you bring an issue to, to to a head if it's wanting a raise, if it's. Confronting your son on some real behavior. Parents are scared to talk to their kids at certain point and telling your kid yet, and you'll know if you do this, then this, and then falling through at that scary for a lot of parents. But when you do it consistently, and you have a practice that encourages confrontation of fear based behavior. I'm going to engage in what is uncomfortable. I'm going to embrace that I'm gonna welcome that I'm gonna feed off of that. I think you get dopamine and I don't know. Anyone? That's really successful in life that doesn't have a healthy relationship with their ability to confront shit scares them. Yeah. I remember remember sitting here, listening to you host and thinking immediately how kind of introspective cerebral, but curious you were and it was from my from my perspective. It was, you know, sitting in front of someone and to other. People that I've idolized in the sports entertainment industry. And sometimes we, we are, are fearful of reaching out because we've put them on a pedestal, and there's other times where we stereotype, just, you know, the most successful people in industries as almost being untouchable, and your, your willingness to like continue to talk tax was just kind of like dampness is pretty this feels unique. Where's your where does your experience and like, the, the world of psychology come from are you like an avid reader, or is it just through life experiences therapy? You mentioned meditation. But this is this is not stuff that I've found at least personally comes from experience educational component. I mean, I think you know, for me. If you trace like. The origins of like why my brain is on fire every morning when I wake up, which it is. I'm sure yours is too. I like I, I call us go to bed angry. Wake up furious people. Go to bed angry and wake up really fucking furious. That's kind of been, I don't hit the snooze on the alarm. And that's. There's no there's no alarm wake up and it's early. And. I I've been driven, you know, for me, the origins, go back to my mom and my dad and things that happened when I was a kid were incendiary at times. I didn't have the most stable, childhood and, you know, I, I love my parents, very much, but they were very good people, but had were not without flaws and that lit something inside of me which is true to, to most people, I know who are very entrepeneurship out there kind of in an tethered environment without a safety net, which certainly boxing filmmaking. They're both like there's no safety net. Neither one of those businesses, there's no barrier of entry, and there's no there's no plan B you know, there is no, there's no balance you're all in and I recognized, oh, God. I'm fifty four recognized. Maybe twenty five years ago that I was running hot that my brain was, was maybe a little bit more hardwired or hotline didn't most people around me, and I started to have to kind of learn to a process of traveling air about, you know what? What feels good you know if if if I do drugs, and I've done every drug in the world. That didn't really feel like it might have felt good for a minute next day. But really bad. If I lost my temper might have felt good for minute. If I got in a fight if I destroyed a relationship, you know, in the minute would feel good in the moment, but the, the emotional and physical hangover just never felt good in that kind of pushed me into a path of trial and error and like trying different paths of, of behaviors that I could use an harmony with, you know, my love film, filmmaking and writing and of having this desire to be creative in work in this business, and I, I found certain types of behaviors felt good and paid off in good dividends. And, and for me, you know, writing getting up early in writing with something that very early, I realized felt really, really good felt very authentic. My soul like writing freely. Well, I started writing journals, and then I started writing short stories, and then started sharing them with my best friend are Emmanuel big shot in Hollywood. And he was only when reading them and my sister. And they started quietly kind of really getting into what I was writing in that led to are encouraged me to kinda right it in screenplay form, and I realize it by getting up early like four o'clock AM early and writing till about seven, I was, I was having this, this experience that I'd never had before this like it felt magical, and pure and euphoric and, and all that kind of stuff we look for. And then Sunday, I started writing these little scripts, and people started buying them. So I started getting financial reward and my career started to kind of rise, and it was all because of something that was very self generated me alone. Initially in the garage. Gaj in west LA. 'cause my, my wife at the time, like I didn't have any room in the house, a smaller house. I got half the garage. So I'll be there like a foreign the morning like an animal writing on old computer and the next thing I know I had a career, and the same is true with, with boxing. I realize like at a certain point, I wanted a little bit more than just the entertainment industry and people are asking me if I wanted to invest in a bar or restaurant, or t shirt company, and as I think, for some reason, opening up a boxing gym might feel good. And I figure if I opened up a boxing, gym every damn and have to go there and do something healthy something to move my body. And I knew that writing and exercising were two things that made me feel good. And then somewhere along the way, I found yoga and yoga. Led me to meditation and into exploring a little bit of Buddhism, which the only religion that really made any kind of sense to me for variety of reasons. And that became kind of a whole nother path. Yeah, but I would say, yoga boxing, and writing, we're kind of three things at all came to me and made big big differences. She do a film on the different religions or just like focus on Buddhism because it's something I've challenged myself. I grew up in a Catholic family. I've challenged myself to just kind of understand, more. And, you know, try to read, and, and I would like to a had this vision a few years ago that I was going to do a deep. Dive into religion discovery for myself decided to start a new protocols league. So I didn't have time to religion. Really deep have your young man. Yeah. But anyway, what, what type of meditation TM or? Guided or I mean I like really simple basic breath flow, which is literally, I'll try and two hundred breath, meditation every morning, which is just literally you're breathing in, in its jibe reading, such enter the nose out through the nose. But if I can sit for one hundred breaths and just literally as I mean hailing, the only thing I think about his inhale in as exiling out, warm inhale X out to. And if, if I if my mind starts to wander, I start to attach to thought that's not either, interrupt noted let it go and return right back. And sometimes it's a disaster to utter shit show. I can barely get to twenty before. But I generally will force myself to do it. You know, I have a little morning routine and that's part of it. I'm a fan of win. Hof do know. Yeah. The iceman and some of his. His breathing a little aggressive, and he's, he's a little out there but nervous about that. Because you can put you into a really you need to do supervision. Can kill you can kill you for sure. Not really sure that, like half of what he does healthy. But, but there there's some there's some apps. There's a box breathing app that I use that. When I when I did long-term -vivor punch of navy. She'll buddies of mine were all doing which I'm just download it. I called. It's called box breathing where you, you adjust your breathing. And I'll do that. A lot of times morning, I'll either do the hundred breasts or I'll do a box breathing round, which is shorter which takes about twelve minutes. Be program. It for however many seconds, you want, but it's a square you have a program for ten seconds. You inhale for ten seconds. You hold for ten seconds. You ex how for ten seconds and the hard part is you hold empty for ten seconds. You do that ten times around and I assure you, if you're angry if you're feeling impulsive if you're thinking about ease. Eating some shit if you're thinking about calling the wrong girl, if you're thinking about taking drug if you're losing your shit if you box breeze for seven minutes that urges gone in your clear-headed. So I'll do that all throughout the day constantly, especially when directed. And then then you'll say the later and then you'll come here and your workout I hit something. Yes, at four AM, four to four thirty AM every morning, which, which nutrition, because your workouts in Hollywood or legendary Hollywood, because I've heard that like people that will be on the, the set with you. You invite them to come work out, and, you know, usually one one time through, and then some say face a Chritine is I just I believe in getting up really early like about always thought that that gave me an edge so four, I don't get up at four so much. But usually about between four thirty and five elect to get up and and have time. Just to myself. And that's when I'll do some breathing and stretching. Y'all said it keeps you away from the late nights, right? Yeah. I don't I think going to bed relatively early with the central purpose about what I'm going to really focus on the next day's important to me, I go to bed with, you know, without any idea. But I wanna do unless I'm on vacation, and I know all I wanna do next day sleep in and get drunk and I just fuck off just fine. The I'm off for that. But, you know, you're doing that to it. So there's no, like gap between expectation and actually. Yeah. And I think that like structural ambiguity is like a disaster for people and, and I see it all the time. It's like people just don't know how to manage their shit. They don't have to organize themselves. And so it's kind of aimlessly moving around from one activity to the next, but I find that, especially when I'm not shooting fem from shooting them every inch. So structured is, you know, were shooting from five in the morning and we're going to nine at night, and we just do that six days a week. And but when it come home. Home. And after put myself I have to be very strict with, with, with, especially with exercise my physical wellness, might eating my nutrition and max Cise me find like working out early. I'll come here workout early. And then when it came to realize around four thirty is a bad time for me in the afternoon. This is a bad time talking about what time is it for thirty? This is a time. I don't I don't I don't like this time. I've been in office all day working and having to manage people, and edit and shit by four thirty I start going crazy. So I've arranged I'll come here and box from four thirty to five thirty and I find that just getting that our away from the office like that makes all the different I can go back then go till ten at night yet. And, you know, there's there has been more trend about trip, it's becoming more trendy. And I think current in and. As we look at wellness to talk about, like, what is it like to sit in an office? You know, a soul crushing office for nine hours there. And then, you know, expect to be happy and healthy and productive, I everyone in my office go leave. If you wanna go surfin you wanna take a walk. You wanted to go take a nap? Don't sit in office all day. I'm you know, get out and do something to shock your system in wake up your, your, your body as your management style changed where you are now versus I know I've heard you talk about at least your first film you were more like aristocratic and demanding. And now you seem to take a much more like empathic approach. I mean us just through an aggregate of experience over time. Yeah. I mean, I'm more when I when I did very bad things, which is my first movie. I, I, I really didn't know what I was doing. And suddenly, I am giving this movie and Cameron Diaz in Christian Slater, Jeremy Piven, and had like a five million dollars. The budget, which was like mind blowing to me, it was so big it, I'd, you know, all this money and everyone's looking at me. I really had no idea. So if you came up to me and say, good morning. What the fuck does that me problem? Paul fuck away from me. You'd be like fry more really this morning because there's so much pressure house, scared on my mind because they didn't know what I was doing. I was honestly felt like I was scared I was going to be found out and in Hoster singer. Lot of entrepreneurs percent say they had it and I can honestly say now at this point my career, I I'm confident that I know what I'm doing. I know how to expect I know how to make movies if you subscribe to glad wells, ten thousand our, I probably have seventy thousand hours making movies, right? I've, I've done the math actually trying to figure out Malcolm Clavell says ten thousand dollars in practice. I woke if I take all the pre production. Thousand five thousand I think I might have a hundred thousand hours so I know how to do it. And so my attitude now is if I'm willing to be much more, trusting and look for real collaborative partners. But I recognize that ninety nine percent of people are fully shit and they talk a good game. And they looked the part. And they talk the part, but it really comes down to can I trust you to close something to deliver something to produce if we could now my company's growing we're doing all kinds of movies and TV shows commercials were having to hire all kinds of people coming to Yama directive. I'm gonna produce take care of it. And I've come to realize it a lot of people very few people will admit that they don't really know how to do something, and very few people. You're, you're starting a you know, lacrosse league match incredibly entrepreneurial, and I'm. Sure, you realize how much you have to carry on your own. And if you're gonna really trust someone to go to Boston and close something you better really trust them. I'm I'm much quicker. I'm I'm quick to trust, but I'm much quicker to call someone out if I think they're for whatever reason not able to cloak. 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But that's living in, in making more mistakes than not that seems daunting and Mike. And I talk about this all the time. It's like how much effort were putting higher because you have to. So do you have any tips there? Well, I think the best experience ever had jab at immune someone was, I was making a film Hancock. And it was a you'll Smith, big big special effect movie. And when you make a movie like that the a lot of movie gets done afterwards because you have all these visual effects, you know, we'll Smith flying through buildings and picking up cars and Wales, and it's all computer generated, so you need to have a producer that comes in that can handle all the, the production of all these visual effects, and it's very expensive and complicated job. And we had a good guy who, who whose wife got sex, we had, he had leave the film's, I'd hire new guy, and I'm trying to figure out like how do you really know if if a guy's up for the job? And if he's really good and reputation, obviously means a lot, but that can be manipulated. Remember, there's one guy came in and you hit a resume he'd done visual effects, but he'd never done a bit movie as big as Hancock. Dumb little. Smaller films. He came in very confident, cocking guy. And he told me about thoughts on the movie. I'm like, I have to say with all due respect. I'm looking resume. And I don't these are small movies. I don't see anything that makes me really believe. It not believe I'm not full of confidence. You could handle the scope his I could one hundred percent handle the scope of this. No problem. I guarantee it ago. Really guarantee. It. He's very confident. I'm looking at him. So can I go? You guarantee one hundred percent guarantee I go, how many pull ups, can you do? He looks me, how many pull ups. Says it can do fifteen years that can do fifteen and there's a bunch of people watching this RA. My office. I see. Okay. Kamerhe right around the corner had a pull up bar. And you knew fifteen pups, he looked at the pull. It Barnes like could see him start to like freak I go. You do fifty cheer job while he goes up to a bar puts his hands up, like five people watching one, pull up sorta goes all the way down. Can't get to. I look at him. I did you're out, and he slowly walked out of the room, and as like that was it, and I called him afterwards, like it had nothing to do with pull ups. But it's like if you're going to say you're going to do something. You better do it. Right. And I find like. Fifty pups is a lot, like how the right way. Like, why not just say I would rather he said, I don't do pull ups. I can do zero Boca conversation, but to say you do fifteen pull ups, and then do one and a half nine even really one because I really think he jumped a little bit. Emotional state. Yeah. And, and so I do like one I'm if I make a higher, and I don't think it's working out. I'm fearless about firing. Now. It's like that kind of goes back to saying earlier today. Like dude, this is not gonna work out end it right now and moot and move on. So I think part of hiring well being able to recognize maybe didn't hire some other first or second time. Don't try and make it work if it's not working kill. Yeah. Kill it. Just end read that in there. It's better for everyone. But if you know, and then obviously, when I'm hiring someone I will check every, every reference, I can. And I always go back to, like, is this person of the word. And are they able to close whatever it is? Are they able to close? Yeah. And I imagine like with, with each position you identify certain skill. But I've heard you talked to about how important. It is for an entrepreneur, or filmmaker athlete were musician to have vision into to have a ton of resilience around that vision. And the example you used was actually in finding lights, where you're the execs came back and wanted you to alter the ending of reading this interview. And I remember watching that film, and really disliking you for doing that to me is view are because I wanted them to win. Yeah. So connected the west like football team in any way you stuck to your guns, and you probably felt a ton of pushback and had to get through it, but it taught you the lesson of, of sticking your guns and going back to that risk of having vision. So vision, what else did you see between the assortment of people that you connect with both from a personal level? The best actors in the world, the top athletes that come through. I mean, I think I think. Work ethic, is, there's gotta be a certain certain work at that great. There's gotta be disciplined and, and I don't know anyone anyone that's able to have a consistent consistently successful career in have any kind of longevity, without a work ethic. So if you're if you're lazy ass the chances, are you might get a break. You might have a minute, you might have a moment. But there has to be a typical stakes. Yeah. I just believe without without discipline. If I don't if I don't believe someone is disciplined in their life. I'm probably going to stay away from them. And I'm not I'm not going to be able to trust them. So I think disciplines is a given. But when you're when you're dealing with creativity that, that's kind of an intangible, you know, that, that gets into like you can't really work your way into a creative idea that has to be like, there's, you've got to know how to find your. Amuse and know how to find something to stimulate you. But that's an and I think being being disciplined can help you be creative being disciplined. Anyone can be creative. They've just got to figure out what what it is. They need to look at to, to wake up their creativity. You're starting lacrosse league. There's a credible man of creativity in that's that can be looked at as an artistic endeavor. It would never happen without effort. Right. I wanna make a movie about the brotherhood of navy seals, while okay? That required me to put an incredible amount of effort and discipline in the researching and learning and living and traveling. With navy seals did lone survivor so that I could be creatively stimulated that creativity came from discipline. Like I don't think creativity as something that just, you know. I know painters, you know, painters your your mama's painter. My mom is art teacher people realize how much work, it is to be a painter. It's you've gotta get up and paint in work and do shit, and ration- throw it out and dude over again anything any, any endeavor any endeavor requires work disciplined in effort. And so for me, it, generally will go back to discipline in work ethic, and I find that I've met very few people that I can't figure out a way to work with that have a really good sense of work ethic in discipline. Did you ever fear that you wouldn't be successful in that drive you? Yeah. I mean I, I know my father was an advertising executive in New York was like work for Procter and gamble and handle like Jif, peanut butter and. Yeah, he was like madmen and but he was a business guy. He's on the business side like three. Martini lunches and. Yeah. To drink on the Tra. I mean these guys time there were animals and, you know, he we knowing never done anything creative in my family, and I went to this college, Minnesota and started studying theater little film classes, and my, my dad thought I'd gone crazy and couldn't figure it out, and gradually he realize I was going to major in theater and theatre history. He was just perplexed by the whole thing and was trying to get me come east after graduation, and worked for like a Leman brothers type company, which is now out of business. Everyone went to jail, but he wanted me to come back. He was like this is crazy. You know what are you doing? Your good. L A, maybe go to film school, but I want to get into the film business, and he was in trying to be be helpful during everything could sort of short circuit that and throw anything could in between me and moving to Los Angeles. He knew absolutely nothing about it. And Finally, I was back in New York about two weeks before I was gonna move to LA, and he sat me down, and he had got me a job, a friend of his work for money management firm in York, Lehman Brothers. And he said, I son, I've got I've got you the job you're in you're going to be an assistant assistant assistant broker. It's done you have to take this job, and I remember looking at Mesa dead. I'm not gonna do it. I'm going to go to LA and you kinda paused and you tear it up looked at me said, son, I just have to be honest, you're going to end up making them goddamn gay pornos. That's what's going to happen. You're going to end up making gay pornos. If you go to Hollywood. That was the last bit of advice. I moved to LA with was going to end up making gay porno, just porno, whose real specific on. And I was my dad trying to kind of scare me. Yeah. But, you know, and I have nothing against gay pornos or pornos, really one way or the other. But I would be lying if I said, I was full of confidence and support when I moved out here, I, I was on fire and I was determined to mom disprove that theory. And like I said, when I did my first film, I was still full of fear. I used the fear to drive me to work harder and try and figure out how to take control of things that are generally hard to take control of Hollywood. A strange business. There's no clear. Roadmap are Pat to six. S if you're lacrosse player in you score more goals in score you win. That's it. You move forward Hollywood's not like that. So I used I was scared of failure. I'm not as scared of failure, as I am now which presents a whole nother series of challenges, you know, because when you have fear driving, you, that's a great engine when suddenly got don't have quite that same fear. I'm more comfortable you know there's food refrigerator. So now after figure out new ways of staying motivated, and new ways of, of keeping that, that drive in that spirit that, that are often more complicated in just straight up. Holy shit. I'm ended up. Starring porn films. If I'm not careful, even I think you're doing that. Just even with this gym, and so you not, not only launching Jim you started a management of athletes, too, because you saw there being a lack of democratising in this space, and there's a lot of athletes being taken adv-. Of. So I, I would suspect that you're finding that drive now less less around self and more around others. Yes. Definitely helping others mentoring others building a business. My company is is grown and we've started in advertising agency and a commercial production company to super Super Bowl spots. Awesome. And that was that was a really cool feeling, you know, to have to, to did the NFL hundred year did this really cool leg Verizon. First responder program, those were too, and, you know, it's, it's I'm sure anyone would say this across the table from you like two of my favorite spots from Super Bowl. But obviously when you can when you can match on the on the NFL one hundred some of the top athletes to have played so you go down memory lane back to when I was watching the NFL when I was eleven and now I'm thirty three and kind of taking that one room. And in providing all that act. Shen and that fund. And Jodi, but the Verizon first responders was one of the most compelling, tough even called an ad I've ever seen. Yeah. That was crazy that was Brian had the idea trying to something for first responders. And we came up with the idea of finding, and if the players are anyone associated with the NFL, but ideally players that had had their lives saved by by first responders and she'd, if it could tell that story thought that was a good idea. And we did several stories that can remain a little film. And then we did some stories about players that aired during the playoffs. But then we've found coach Lynn San Diego Chargers and found found out about his story and like sixteen years ago, it was hit by drunk driver like fifty feet in the air, everything broken organs ruptured, and he was he was done. And he's too young. Cops on bikes found him just unconscious paramedic show. Owed up and it was like twenty year old paramedic girl first week on. And she did the medicine on him. Chest compressions gotta bloodline in them. And her in these cops kept him alive to the hospital, and it was pretty remarkable story. We started doing some research and found that he'd never met those those, those first responders. So we went to this whole, like kind of charade. The whole idea the spot was bringing all these first responders bringing coach Len who's a pretty big scary. Dude, on if met him, I know idea, how react as he was just honored for at the LA sports summit for coach of the he's a great guy. And, and but like tell him he was just going to tell his story and talk to some first responders. And then we're going to ambush him, right with those and we had no idea how we take it. And we knew how he would respond. We knew we only had one shot. You know, that moment where he when he's talking and the woman puts up, perhaps coach you know, I'm I'm the girl that. Was in the ambulance that night. And I'm like, we had some problems. We're supposed to have four cameras had to, and we had to get it, and I'm like shit. We're gonna miss this, and like, you know, I'm moving to cameramen get ready for this moment. Nobody knows it's going on. It was not really well thought out which I kind of like sometimes the best things aren't that well. And that girl said it in Q looked at her, and you could feel the heat we're in fire house in Pasadena, the heat net room of emotion of everyone in that room. And he just started bursting into tears, and then this other cops like so I'm officer came the cups last name. And I also went on the bike that found you and he just coach Lynn just went nuts in. That was kinda cool. You know. And like to have this big company varieties, basically, trust, you and say dude. Can you make this work and you normally Super Bowl commercial spent eight months planning every seconds plan every shots plan. This is like P, can you get? And so that's the kind of thing that, that definitely fired me up and inspired me. And that was that was a hell of experience. Yeah. The, the research that goes into your work, you had mentioned lone survivor, fully immersing yourself, would you say that, there that was something that you embarked on that may have been a big differentiator for you and your career, and you even did it with lights, you spent months, and Westlake Texas with the quarterbacks. And then you spent two months with navy seals in Iraq when I was in college, I was into journalism and started has infomation but I start writing for the school paper and I was always really into my cousin is an investigative journalist who wrote Friday night, lights buzz bit singer who should have on your podcast, genius, and crazy really crazy for that. Intra really crazy. But. But I, he instilled upon me the value of research in, I was a huge documentary film fan growing up guy named Werner Herzog was one of my favorite directors and you'd everything from the ticket follies which became the inspiration for once over the cuckoo's nest to a bunch of other docs and somewhere along the way of filmmaking. I realized that the more I research, the environment that I wanted to write about even movies like the rundown, I went down to Brazil, and spent three weeks down there with these tribes and got kidnapped and had all kinds of crazy should happen to me. But that, that kind of ignited that research ignited, a passionate me when I did the Kingdom, I went to Saudi Arabia and spent three weeks with the Saudi police FBI, working together, and that just kind of for me, like I'm never been guy to make on never sit in invent. A thumbnail get out, you know, full respect to get out. That's that that exists in his mind. And he comes up with that, that I'm much more factually based, if I follow you around and study and observe you figure out your pattern of life. I can make a movie about you get passionate about it. And I found in my career whenever I put the time in. So when I went to Iraq with the seals. When I came back, I had such a comprehensive understanding of that culture that I was able to make a good movie if I put the time in the workers, I'm always proud of the work if I don't you know, I make a movie like battleship, which is a lot of fun. But about aliens coming in and fighting the navy. Okay. It's probably not be the same experience for me creatively, that when I really put the work in and put my blood and do the research that, that's just from me. My personal style getting to something that feels real good. I'm certainly the last person to sit in a room and talk about the music or the film business. The movie business is how dot calls it. But, but certainly, pretty versed in technology and have seen the shift in the impact. That technology had to the music business starting with Napster. Now, we're seeing Spotify and doing things a lot different than Napster. So not putting that in their bucket. But what, what that has done to the music business? And I was listening to a podcast with Marc entry sin. And I think it's Brian Koppelman, and they were talking about how oddly like the patient from from venture was that it would do the same to the film business, but it actually hasn't because of a lot of the shifts who television or Netflix or Amazon. And what we've actually seen the end user has benefited from it because there's incredible content out there. But my question to you is it certainly has changed the movie business in that fewer blockbusters being put out and for sports people like us man, there's that's changed significantly because sports films. Don't do as well overseas in the film business now, becoming overseas business. I mean it when I first moved away there were four networks. ABC. CBS NBC facts was started. TV was so big and powerful I was on his show called Chicago hope. I was acting on it. We were on Thursday nights at ten o'clock opposite ER both medical shows your beat us every single Thursday. We would come in second with thirty eight million viewers thirty eight million. The power of television, then was so huge. Then there were seven movie studios, those movie studios, each studios, putting up twenty five movies a year. That was the game you knew it was. And you stepped in line through our producers had connections to those you played the game to get to those producers, you either got your ship of you, didn't it is now absolute Cass. Right. So that Bafana's floor. This was nineteen ninety you fast forward to two thousand nineteen the platform disruption is so severe and so on going that it's mind blowing and it's can be very. Very disorienting and confusing. And you look at yes, there's more options. But as we were talking earlier about, you're trying. You're gonna try make noise in penetrate with your lacrosse league, there's just so many competitive sources of content that you've got to compete with. And including, you know some nine year old kid dancing to hip hop songs on YouTube that I might wanna watch that over your lacrosse game. And there's that's just the way it goes. Right. And so, I feel like when I say to anyone at asks, and when I said to myself now is you more than ever have to really know what you're doing why you're doing it? And you better do it from real, real passion. If you want to chance at penetrating, if because there's just so much content the bearer of the, the barriers of entry are invisible. Anybody can put anything out anywhere and there's parody. You know, the biggest star and then one hundred anniversary football thing we had everyone from Jim Brown to Odell. Beckham, junior's Glenn Barclay was this kid ninja, who's the best force nine player in the world. And like the NFL insisted upon having engine there because ninja was bigger star than the seventy two Miami Dolphins then Odell Beckham junior and he's football players going crazy for him. And the fact that this kid who has really nothing. But play video game and kids watch him play the video game. And that mainstream entertainment he's making fifteen million a year net. I'm like great. But in by the way, ninjas, great dude, and really cares Matic. And I'm not watched plays video game. And I kinda get why. It's watch. I'll watch him a little bit. Yeah. Don't tell my son that. Phone of YouTube at the Super Bowl watching the boy, he's the biggest star Super Bowl ninja was the biggest star in that building. I mean like people were going crazy for him. And my whole thing is more than ever. Now, if you wanna cut through the noise, whether it's a feature whether it's commercial, whether it's documentary, you better, you know, the reason that, that I'm free solo work, so well for me was because Jimmy Chen, had that in his blood. There's no, like, maybe I'll do a movie about climbing. I don't really know much about climate. Jimmy Chen, had that movie in his blood, and you saw it on the screen, and we're the, the good news is, there's more, there's more content platforms than they've ever been mind. Blowing amount. Absurd amount infinite amount. The bad news is if you want to, if something's going to work you're gonna have to be really, really good. Because you're getting get one shot, you're gonna get. Seven minutes of my attention. If you don't get me, I'm gonna go look for something else. So if you're lacrosse, the doesn't figure out a way, a hook in me, if my fighters don't figure out a way of knocking people out with real style and real flair. And putting on a show and being real interesting outside of the ring nobody's getting care and you're gonna see guys that are world champions that are at the top of their game that have multiple belts as boxers who make their lucky to make three hundred thousand dollars when they should be making thirty million, but they can't breakthrough. Yeah, we started with you reflecting on your time watching Mohammed Ali, and I was talking lucky to have an opportunity to spend some time with Peter Guber. And we were talking about the, the P L L. And he says he catches flack in sports now for calling sports show business, and there's this interesting juxtaposition, and we see it play out in the NFL in the NHL, major league baseball, more Adam silver dozen. Great job has done. Great job in the NBA of empowering his athletes. But there we grew up in this culture and sports to be very robotic in the press conferences, and to give all the credit to team, and those are like, really strong characteristics and like value propositions, if you're Bill checking your coaching the patriots are going, the Super Bowl so often, but if you're trying to like make some economics in sports, and a competitive environment, it's got to be entertaining shirt guys talking shit, and you need guys dancing after touchdown. That's right for you. You're you're going to start a new league. And these guys were helmets rights. Nobody knows what they look like a really cool look into probably really good looking girls would love and could be Rockstars kinda like you could be a rockstar have some rascals villa can do to be a rockstar. I have no pipes but, but, but you got a metaphorical rockstar, but you've got you've got to wear the helmet and you're worth, it's like kind of off the beaten path. So it's like how do you make you're going to have? To figure out a way of creating some some stars. You know, like, look at boxers, naked standing in the rings knocker players players soccer players have great advantage that a great looking guys physically, gifted, and they're playing sorta populated popular sport, so they can boost these social media presences and turn into giant brands like Rinaldo messy and bunch other guys. I don't really know 'cause they don't follow soccer, but people show them Tim in got a hundred and thirty point there, you don't care much for soccer. No, their star. But I, I there's enough people that do carry the keep those numbers are huge until it's just like the challenge of life in show business, and I agree with Peter Gruber. It is show. Business sports show business move show. Business music, all show business. Yeah, Jeff Bezos is in the business show business in many ways. Yeah. You Musk's in business show business more than ever. Now I think anyone. Wants to create content better know what they're doing. They better have real real vision. Real purpose better done their homework. They better have something to say in really work hard to say at well allowed or disposable because everything's disposable. Now, the last question that I have for you and appreciate you taking all this time Pete. This has been amazing for me you, reference this ten percent is that applicable to sports only where do you look at ten percent or more in everything else you do. And where did that? I've never heard the there's a book to carry acute versus saying surround yourself with people who are smarter than you. There's a book called flow written by this Steven Kotler. No, it's not. That buck. Snatch Stephen Cutler before. Steven Kotler who spoke at our series. There's another book. I'll get it for you written by guy that's got like thirty five syllables in his last. Name. He's a Russian psychiatry. Germans characters thing I might have a copier and I read it and he talked about ten percent in that. As a rule if, if you and I think it can apply to he talked about the flow state, and Steven Kotler and talked about, plus state, too, and I believe in that I really do believe in the flow state, you can be a nicer and operating on. You know, an infant's is turn to restore vision, you can be Zamboni driver at a hockey rink. You can be a lacrosse player. You can be lacrosse coach. Actually, it's harder for coaches any active. Actively that you participate in, if it's harder if you're watching or coaching on the control like director to a little certain is drag on AFL states drag on the time where you're operating in an environment, where if it's if it's ten percent of your comfort level, you're going to struggle you're gonna you're you get discouraged you fail. You could get knocked down in a way that makes it hard to get if it's ten percent below the probably going to be entirely gauge because gonna be too easy. But if you're playing at a level with an world pushing you ten percent of your comfort level you're gonna you're gonna get better. You're going to be able to you anyone can dig it and be ten percent better getting much above that. Maybe maybe not. But I'm sure when you're playing the cross, if you're planning a against a bunch of kids that are just thirty percent less than you, not that much fun. It's not that much of a challenge. It's not a growth experience. View you and I probably never experienced playing with someone twenty percent better than your because not. Well, your day ever said you the best. Okay. So for the best challenges, hopefully, there's guys that can check can can can keep up with you. But if not, you gotta find those people and make sure you're putting yourself in environment where the task your engaged in is putting it about ten percent of your comfort level in, that's what you can find flow state. That's from the sublime that's for you can be mom, and I'll e r Michael Jordan, or Steph curry, I do believe in percents. Amazing. Thank you, again, to Peter Bergen his team for making this all possible bringing us a church. Oh, boxing, you can continue the conversation with me on Twitter. I'm at Paul rebel. Let me know what she thought of the show, and our commentary be the first listen to next week's episode ketchup on previous episodes, including my one on one conversation with the greatest football player of all time that was last week. That's Jim Brown as well as the greatest football. Coach of all time. 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Kobe Bryant dead at 41...Life is short

20 Minute Morning Show

07:17 min | 10 months ago

Kobe Bryant dead at 41...Life is short

"It was everybody before we start the twenty minute morning show. Let me tell you about anchor. If you've never heard of anchor this is the easiest way to make a podcast so let me explain Blaine. It's free there's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer anchors going to distribute your podcast for so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many more you can make money from podcasting with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast and one place so listen. Download the free APP right now or go to anchor dot. FM to get started and now stand by for the twenty minute morning show from our studios in Charlotte North Carolina. This is b.j Murphy on the twenty minute morning show for this Monday January twenty seventh. Everybody's still reeling from the death of Kobe. Bryant Kobe Bryant is dead at the age of forty one he he died in a helicopter crash. Flying over Calabasas California on his way to the basketball clinic that he and his daughter were running in. His daughter was a prolific athlete. She was in the plane as well. Gee Gee as she's known by and eight others were on the plane who perished and everybody cannot believe that Kobe Bryant is gone. I wrote this on my facebook page. I wanted to just say this briefly. Because how's the crew. We're going to get together and do an analysis on the life of Kobe Bryant. Later on in the twenty minute morning show For today once once we record but I said this Kobe Bryant is gone. His daughter is gone. His wife and remaining daughters are left left alone in this world. Brothers and sisters. I am a man who has lost. All of his family members like so many. I grieve often in the privacy of myself. The loss of life is heart-wrenching. The only thing we can do is to give each other the love that we deserve from one. Another that Kobe's death breath be a call for us to run into the arms of one another and serve each of 'em be humble and drop are false egos us before our time comes. We must learn from death. Death feeds life. If you understand have the courage to love. Even if people don't love you back this is the love Christ is trying to get us to challenge. People are fake love. Let's be real. He'll put another facebook post on. I wanted to read it to you as I was lying in embiid just looking scrolling through my phone I said as we born Kobe. Bryant's death. Let's remember that tomorrow's never promised to us. Yes we must spend our lives in the way of God and express our gift to the world like. Kobe did with his talent. All of us have a rendezvous with death less reflect on his death as a call to action for our own lives and then I put Hashtag time time and how we use it and the time and how we use it as exceedingly important because we do not know the day or time that the give of life will call it back and just like that. Kobe Bryant is gone just like that and the twinkling of an eye just like that. I wrote another post I want to share with you. I said life is short. Every moment you are alive is a sacred moment. Spend your time loving your moment. And God's universe and inspire others to bring the God inside of them out for the world to see Kobe. Bryant expressed his God hood in his life as a world class athlete. What will you give to the world tomorrow? Fill your life with truth and love for God has created for what God has created out of his mind. That's all of us when God takes good people away from us. He's doing something for the human to ponder and I put in quotes your lives are not your lives. They belong to me and I call interview back and the twinking in the twinkling of an eye to where it all began. This has got talking and then I said so again. Love is the best protection against the fear of death for love. Cast it out all fear. Don't be afraid to love. Love show show unimaginable. Love to your spouse your children in everybody that you come into contact with for you do not know when you're rendezvous would death will occur but when it does you can take the sting of death like a soldier and the army army of the Lord and that's what it's all about. It's about showing love to your fellow brothers and sisters every day Kobe. He is not here anymore but we are here and one day. You won't be here and yes I mean you know so shocking. When we got home yesterday afternoon my son was scrolling through his phone and he just just screamed out? No no no you know what's wrong. He said. Does it. Go on your phone going your phone and I want my facebook page and I post I saw was about the death breath of Kobe. Bryant so death is inevitable. I don't want to sound more on the podcast but we have to talk about it. But we're going to get more into it later with the group when we discuss The life and the death of Kobe Bryant one of the greatest it is athletes ever to walk the earth with the greatest work ethic of any athlete. There's been documented. I mean it's just his. His life is just incredible. You know a working out at three. Am Four am to get better and more proficient and put more distance distance between you and your contemporaries is just an outstanding work ethic that we should all follow Kobe. Bryant rest in peace brother. We're going to follow up on this podcast at just wanted to get something out to let you know that You know we own the Cason. Jason we want to express but God has put us of the life of Kobe Bryant and share some information. Not so see you on the next episode of the Twenty Minute Morning Show. We're GONNA get in-depth and talk about Kobe Bryant.

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Episode 276  Feel The Fear and Do It Anyway

Casual Fridays REI

13:59 min | 2 months ago

Episode 276 Feel The Fear and Do It Anyway

"Welcome to the casual Fridays REI podcast where you'll learn about the wildly profitable niche of land and best thing active Lane investors Adam selfie and Justin sliva are here to share their experiences with a you so that you can learn how to build massive cash flow and huge profits from this highly lucrative Niche. So without further Ado here. Are your hosts Adam Southey and Justin sliva. Hey, what's up guys? I'm Adam Southie here with my co-host Justin's liba. And this is the cattle Friday. Sorry. I podcast today. We're going to talking about feeling the fear and doing it. Anyway, before we do that though. Let's talk about Christ. Guys priced is a powerful online web application that simplifies the acquisition process for Real Estate Direct Mail marketing campaigns price provides research tools and enables you to identify song. Patience to mail price for data analyzed over 1 million cops pull owner records and scrub your data to produce a ready to mail campaign list head on over to price.com forward slash casual Fridays are 6 to start your 7 day free trial and get discounted prices today. That's b r y c d. Slash casual Fridays REI. Happy Monday, sir, a happy Friday today's Monday, but it's Friday when we record I just like straight parakeet that right back to yeah, that's Friday this Friday. Sure. Okay, here we go. Well, it is Friday cuz we do record on Fridays. Happy Monday cuz this is the start of the new week for our listeners and we have a lot to talk about. Yeah last time we talked to him. He was going into Oklahoma and they have not heard the outcome told him what would be and it is not been just in went down in the main event. He has not crashed in a year of being back in the writing any crashed here in Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. On Oklahoma the whole time. I thought you were in Houston. Nope, Oklahoma City just west of it interesting. Yeah, dude. I'm kind of worried about you right now. You go in Old like Alzheimer on me over the whole time. I thought you've done the Houston entire time know that North opposite way. Wow. Okay. Yeah, so ended up with little little boo boo on my arm is Cason saying now he picked up a new words boo boo and he sees it on Thursday and he points out at every time to add more salt to the wound insult to injury insult to injury, right but you end up with a second-place ended up with a a second place to play twice. So yeah, I get to rock the number to plate for the year and the Gold Cup Series so I can wear that at any national any local race any state race and we move forward Jackson did not finish. So well, he did not make the main on Sunday and it put him in a five-way tie for third place had he made the main he would have got third or second. He would have broke that tie. So is it tough beat for him? But that's why we do it as a life lessons involved with that and you know me my fall off. Are you going for a win in the last turn and I would not change it any other way I would wish I would didn't fall but I'm not okay with sitting back and just taking a second. I'm going for the win and that's I think that's kind of what we're talking about. Thursday is do you really go for the win or do you feel the fear and do it? Anyway? Yeah. Well kind of comes from does come from a book. I'm reading someone bought this book for me sent it to me in the mail and suck on ice. I'm probably halfway through it. So I can't speak to the whole thing. But it's the book is called if anyone will check out called Feel the fear and do it. Anyway, like no, it's pretty straightforward. Yeah, but yeah, that'd be good, you know because it's about into everything it could be life or business and it's just been kind of I don't know this author like she starts the book was I don't know what her life was like starts. The book was saying like she would look at home every day and just cry to a so scared of life. Really? I don't know anyone like that's definitely not me. Yeah, but I do know that every person in life has fears whether that's I don't know sending a mailer answering the phone. Yeah, presenting something at work or asking that girl out right? It's like no matter what it is. There's a fear of something there is a fear. Yeah, and this book is about embracing that and instead of like shying away and now they're just dead anyway and pricing it. Yeah, I and I think people are wired so different and you know in talking to my wife this week, we talked about like kind of talking self-confidence and making decisions and things like that and it's it's funny to me that how long like me and her been together nineteen years, I think coming on twenty since we met and we're still wired so differently in the way we think like you said, you look in the mirror that lady looked in the mirror was crying when she looks in the mirror. I look at them like man has a handsome motherfuker that can do anything and it's and then people are too and those are two different extremes. But you know, I was thinking about that when talking to my wife and I was like what I bet on myself every time and I 100% believe I would bet on myself in anything one hundred percent of the time and so like when I go into that last turn of the race, there was no doubt in my mind that I was going to pass the guy and go around him. My bike did not hold the table. And skids out. I hit the ground bounce get back up finished third tie-break with tiebreaker goes to him because he beat me that day and we were tied for points with the number one plate. So, you know, sometimes you fall. Yeah the thing that stands out to me the most often is how many people get scared to even start up anything right? And I'm just going to reference this back to like starting a lan investing business cuz that's what we see the most is you can't tell you the number of people that I talked that we talked to about doing this thing off to just get scared by this lack confidence in themselves or the business or something. They just that fear holds them back from doing anything and that by allowing that to happen you're preventing any future happiness or success or whatever it is. Whatever that can be preventing it by running away from that fear and the guy is just so for me. It's a I want to say Sad what's more annoying? Yeah, you know, it's like guy you can do this just embrace it and go and just trust the process. Yeah. That's a common thing. I see a lot when we talk to new people about land investing. It's like you don't have to be super smart to do this wage. You know people that are dumb and again, I mean, I'm not going to say their names but they're dumb and they're successful at it and it's like come on man. If this guy can do it, I know that you with a two master's degrees and had the tenacity to get through he can do this with no problem. I think I'm being dumb as a prerequisite because you just don't care. You're just like too dumb to know the wrist. Well when you over think that it's whole the whole thing. I was talking some of the other day and they were they had these thoughts on that tool and blah blah blah and I'm thinking man. Okay, that's great. You got it. Now delete it get rid of it and just make it simple. Yep. Yeah, so you talk about fear and like just jumping in there. So last week Sebastian stood in the air hundred and fifteen foot wave he served to set a record outside of Portugal like to me that's something I would never do that would scarce the shit out of me. Like I would not like being in the ocean. I'm already home and I had a family friend died. He got sucked under by undertow and like you want to work my mom. He worked. He was like a Coke rep for you know, Winn-Dixie, so he won a trip from his company his wife him and his new kids. To Cancun and it gets sucked out to sea and died. So like that stuff stays in my mind and I'm like that's real fear. But this guy's doing a hundred and fifteen foot waves. So if he can physically do that, there's got to be a way that I could get up on a wave and like maybe three foot wave but I could eventually get to that point eventually get to a three foot wave. I'm going to say I don't care who you are like the varies the number of people who can work up to a hundred fifteen foot wave is extremely he's the only one that's ever done it. Yeah, but you can but there is a way to do it like you can it's physically possible, you know. Yeah, I mean obviously feeling fear and doing it. I'm not going to feel the fear of riding 115 foot wave and be like, you know, what drag me out there. And yeah, I'm not I'm not pushing threat to it. That's just go for it. Yeah, and I and I get that most people will not go out there and check for 20 foot wave, you know, they're not going to go hit pipeline in Hawaii and be like, oh, yeah, let's just let's go get it. But you know another thing I saw this week was a Navy SEAL talking about the adversity adversity is a lot of times. It's something out of your control. Can't control what's going to happen. You just how you're going to handle it when it comes up and this business is a hundred percent adversity. We send out mail unsolicited to people all over the country saying hey, we want to buy your land there a human element. We don't know how they're going to respond. They're going to be pissed. They're going to be happy. They're not going to say anything just mail it back or you're not going to hear anything. It's just going to be new point and we can't control that one piece. We can control that we continue to put out mail box that were making those touches and run with it. But, you know, a lot of times people get upset about that. You can't control that you have to just keep moving forward. You have to face that fear of putting that next thousand dollars into male $2,000 in a million have to keep moving that way. Yeah and dealing with the the hate to I mean, I hate to hate I hate it like it's and we have a in our private group. We had a conversation going and talking about Pat live versus a Google Voice being free hundred percent right Google Voice will work. It is free. You have to listen to every one of those message. I'm a call and cuss you out and at the end of that message says, you know what I'll sell it to you though. I think you're worth. No good piece of shit, but I will sell you my land. Most people would have deleted. I heard you know, good piece of shit, but had you gone with Pat live in the scripts there for me. It's worth a hundred and fifty bucks and they go do you do you walk at the counter price? Yes in the comments, you're worthless piece of shit, but I want to sell it I can deal with that. Yeah. Yeah, there's plenty people have quit that business. I want to you. Remember that teacher. We had the very beginning of June. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, she got out of it registered in like talking to people on the south side. She didn't like talking about sell-side and that seems like the easiest side to me cuz you've already handled all the hate right it was and it was a lack of her them the confidence and knowing about the property having never been there and she did really well at it. I mean she made she did it for three months four months old like seven Coastal properties bought and sold to properties and organ made what she made as a teacher is like, you know, when I just I feel uncomfortable talking to people about land I've never seen in don't know about. Okay, you tried it. You did it. Do you just yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, I guess there's different but not log. Being and being scared of it cuz like when she did it, right and she made really good money and she got out of it, but I just see people who are like we're so scared to even take that calls with they'll never even sell anything because they don't want to talk to anyone. Yeah, you know, they don't want to answer the question or they don't know what the person's going to ask in that anticipation of that lack of knowing is where it's at. It's like I just don't know what they're going to say to me. I think if I would have known there was a chance that I was going to send that message are going to call and scream at me. Then I might have been a little hesitant to do it. You wouldn't have done it. I was ignorantly Bliss. I remember in the very first male in the phone started to ring and I was like, here we go. I'm going to be rich and then it just keeps screaming cuz I was mailed $100 offers to place where they selling a hundred four hundred thousand cuz that's what everybody does big deals like that. They buy them all four hundred dollars an acre big deals big big deals. Everybody's buying big deals off now and I wish we could say was easy, you know on that that seals video that was talking about. I looked up the stat and it's like seventy to seventy-five per-cent of the people don't make it through sales training. I think you suck. Higher than that, but I just what I looked up and I saw but it was interesting to me that we see about, you know, only one out of five people that buy one of these courses actually go through with it and do it. So often those that are looking they're like, yeah, you know, I don't want to be that one. That's not the successful one of that one. That doesn't make that $100,000 deal. You know right now, my last mailer is about 6 pieces of mail but there's no big profit off when I say big profit. There's a bunch of fifteen to twenty thousand dollar profit properties that is typical and what my business is cuz that's the low range of what I shop for because I needed to cover the operating cost. I need it to make my monthly goal. And you know, that's what some people are sitting there going. Oh shit. I'd love to make $10,000 a property. Well, yeah, you know, but I put out $2,700 a male. Are you willing to bet $2,700 a mail to get that. There's a fear in that, you know, you tell your your wife that you're going to spend $2,700 or $3,000 in mail and you don't know what you're going to get back. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're saying that I looked up the seal attrition rate to call log. This war was higher because he always hears like 90% or whatever but it definitely on Google does say 75% Yeah, that doesn't seems kind of low when you think of like when you hear that's got so that story you told right. He's like a hundred seventy-three voir started or something at thirteen. Yeah. Thirteen made it through that's not 25% No, no and we don't I don't know if it's all encompassing and once they get past that but it's a you know in his thing was as he felt some kind of force and we met a lot of people talk about what's your why make sure why be your thing, you know for me my why is not being where I was as a kid. I want to be able to afford to buy my kid a baseball glove of his glove brakes. I don't want to wear holy clothes to school if you want if we need to get new shoes cuz a shoe blew out we can get that. You know, those those wise for me are simple. They're not like this. I want to change the world. Do we get back a lot a ton give a ton back and we can make things better. But without overcoming that fear of not knowing if it's going to work out or be successful. I mean, that's that's what all this you have to age. To be successful. You have to be okay with being uncomfortable. Yeah, you're definitely to be uncomfortable to yeah. I mean, like I said, it ain't easy it is worth it. Yep. Cool. You got anything to say? No. I think that I think that Nails it I I think that it's great that we're going to have a conversation as two grown men in a room and we can talk about fear a little bit. We can talk that it's okay to feel uneasy. It's okay to may be uncertain or unsure and we can still move forward and be okay with that. Yeah. Like I said, I haven't finished this book yet. But so far it's pretty good. So anybody else wants to check it out Feel the fear and do it. Anyway, Susan Jeffers. Hm, you know two million copies sold. So someone's liking it. Yeah, it's two million copies cuz people just keep handing them out to Randy guess I guess anyway guys, that's it for today. It's Monday. We hope you have a solid day. And as always just fine go to Facebook Instagram and YouTube go to like of all subscribe and then go to iTunes go to Stitcher go to wherever else listening to us. Like wherever you describe the show. Appreciate it. Love you. See you Wednesday. See you guys.

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Reto Kaizen #11 Agradeciendo nuevamente!


09:12 min | 6 months ago

Reto Kaizen #11 Agradeciendo nuevamente!

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Nick Betancourt and his 3D Printer  EP 592

The Dork Forest

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Nick Betancourt and his 3D Printer EP 592

"Welcome to the Dork Forest Jaclyn miles whenever Boris Shameless confessions about our obsession with sponge laugh and smile. So let's explore the Dork forest and dorm down for awhile. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian you talk about to listen to The Dark Forest. Let's give you the info about it. First of all, you know, the websites Dark Forest, the Dark Forest, if you like a determiner, Jackie Cason has everything off my podcasts including videos of my stand up my stand-up schedule merchandise, you can purchase if you would like and a lot more info than you possibly even need wage. Let's do the credits my Rick Burke sang and produced and composed that song at the beginning of the show he sang with his wife's here. It's very beautiful at the end of the program he sings this song. Is version of The Mexican Hat Dance? That's my great Berg vilmos fix. This Jackie Cason. Com has the web designer over there and Patrick Brady fixes the audio. And in this case took a video intro very exciting. 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The only other thing I want to talk about is the merch you can get dark Forest t-shirts and you can get stand-up County t-shirts. You can get my albums Orma DVD over at Yankee kitchen, sure. There's pins. There's a challenge coin. There's a bunch of new things happening over there. Anyway lot of information. I think I don't think I missed anything but who cares? Let's get into the show them. Hey, it's Jackie. Kashian. I am in this room again. And it's the Dark Forest you guys and Rangers the Dork Forest Nicolas Betancourt. Welcome to the program. Thank you God for you here. And you know what, I should rename myself so that people know who I am cuz he went with your full name. Oh, you know, I don't know why I go by Nick but it's just it goes off everything. Yeah. Yeah simple do a thing and so Nick you are at dick bet big a space pod. Yeah and i c k h e e As in Nicolas Betancourt. So Nick H bet on Twitter and then at NH Betancourt on Instagram, which you don't use a lot but they're not yours. If you want to see pictures from you know, one picture every last six months, you know what but you have a 3D printer website where you have some pictures right you do. I'm so I'm single verse which is like a thousand of like a social network for 3D printing. Okay. I'm TX engineer fourteen went so, engineer Fourteen and you can see designs I've made and change things I printed in pictures. So that's nice. Okay, so you so what we're talking about is 3D printing right? So I say we should definitely start with that because I know I own three D printer and Andy will sometimes my fella will sometimes get not even sometimes often will hire him to make a game pieces for games off. Banned by prototypes. Do you are you doing that? So I I do all sorts of things. So I figured I'd like I told like my story of 3D printing please like in like in kind of an order cuz it works. So I'm mechanical engineer in oil and gas in Houston. That's what I do for a living and so I've been involved like I worked with 3D printing a little bit through my job. Basically since I started we have printers like on we have some printer plastic printers, you know on our campus that we can use for prototyping and stuff. So I was always kind of a little bit involved in it. We didn't use it a lot. And then I have this friend that I met through work and mcguigan lives in Tucson now shout out and Keegan had exactly he he can have had a printer had a series of thoughts enters the whole time. I knew he was always printing stuff and he was he would print these little models. He'd been like maybe go to work. I guess not maybe a regular dealer right was pretty baby right off. Yeah, you print them and he paint them and he'd have all these things all around his house and he was always telling me like, oh you should get this little be so cool. You'll love it. And I was always like, oh, I'm not going to use it. Like, I don't know what I'll use it for cuz right I have a tendency like I would know like I I didn't what Keegan does for himself is great. But for me, I was like, I don't want to just fill up my house with plastic tchotchkes, right and just have them on every surface. So yeah, so I was like, okay, you know, it's cool, but whatever wage yeah, then with through work I actually did like a couple of projects that were really cool on 3D printing on the Industrial Level. Technically, by the way. We should be talking about additive manufacturing job. Which is what exactly which is any manufacturing technique in which you build Parts up from incremental pieces of raw material rather than starting with a hunk of raw material and shaving it down or drilling it or whatever, So again, I got corrected on this several times at work technically speaking 3D printing is a subset of additive manufacturing but nobody ever pays attention to that. Nobody cares. We have to let's pack pack additive manufacturing just for a second. So there's 3D printing is doing sort of like the opposite of a mold, right? Yeah kind of odd because there's a mold and you pour you would pour something into a bold and then you would crack the mold and then you would have a pot or you would have a pipe you would have something now with it was 3D printer you're starting with just raw material of plastic is open and you're putting it into a machine and it comes out extruded like a Play-Doh wage. Squeezing Play-Doh thing is that correct? Not so there's like there's a bunch of different kinds of 3D printing and like so for work, I actually work with metallic 3D printing where you have like metallic powder and then you could use a laser literally to like fuse a layer at a time. It's super cool and you can and you can print these really complex and metal Parts. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that is really cool. And and are you sure are you overseeing it or do you just sort of program it in press start and the Machine does it so with the work stuff? Yeah, it's it's not by separate company. We don't have metallic 3D printers off campus cuz they're like it's like a whole different deal. It's like a very specialized so we don't really okay. We we contracted out we you know for we make CAD models cat is computers as to desire of people don't know that and so that's like a standard part of our job is we have to make CAD models for everything and then the cad models will generate a drawing and you send the drawing to a machinist and The Machinist makes the part. That's how you make any part anywhere off. So that you you have to make a model and the model then you draw plans of that model exactly. I feel yes that feels architectural e backwards and yet seem to make the same. Maybe it's easier than to draw the thing. Oh, yeah. It's way easier to like be working with like a 3D piece like on your on your screen and your hair. Okay, I cut here and I turn it off. I'm going to cut their whatever and then when you finish you're like, okay now I'm going to make a drawing of this but I can hand it to a machinist in the machine. This will make it. Okay, cuz The Machinist himself or herself is working from paperwork to create a larger version of that like let's or smaller. No, it's exactly that so like if yeah, if you have just like a screw, you know again, this is for any machine mean this isn't just for 3D printing. Yeah, you know you have like you have a drawing of exactly, you know, okay. So the song goes here and it's this long or whatever you handed The Machinist and The Machinist makes it on there, you know on their various Machining equipment right fast. Okay, I have digressed so but not manufacturing is you have a device. Yeah, and then you're going to add something to it. You manufacturing something separate that you're going to add to it. Okay. Yeah you got well you take this CAD model that you would you would make any way and you just basically feed it straight into the machine. There's a little bit more involved of a process, but I can maybe talk about later but you feed it strains and machine and the Machine just sort of spits it out. Okay and different package says use different techniques to to go from to make it. So again, there's the thing with the lasers. There's something called binder jet where they like literally like glue pieces together. Yeah. So industrial 3 depending is a whole separate jobs. Which is really fascinating but it's not not your door. It is not my joy. Yeah, exactly. That's a great way to put it. This is my toy on the consumer level three printing is basically divided into two different sort of categories. So there's fdm which stands for Fusion deposition modeling wage that I have. And so what that is is that you take you start with a roll of filament. It's plastic. There's lots of different material types, but the there's a standard one p l a which is what they make basically it's made of like pong acid. It's biodegradable and it's what they make most disposable silverware. They get like a restaurant that's plx. So you have this big role of p l a it's like a plastic wire and you feed it through the top that goes into like a little heated nozzle and the and the nozzle moves around and goes printing it up layer by layer by layer. Okay. It's just like just stacking plastic on top of each other exactly. Yep. What makes the thing? Okay, exactly just melted plastic just lay really worry about it. So that's so fdm is great. It's versatile. You can make you can use different materials like really cool material strong materials flexible material. Like you can make you can various like carbon fibre impregnated p l a that you can make really strong stuff. Like I could really do that with my machine with a minor upgrade because the nozzles the nozzles that you're extruding the plastic out of our the standard materials grass, which is great because it conducts heat really well, but grass is also really soft. So you have anything that's filled with stuff like yeah carbon fiber or anything like that. It'll where the whole out entirely and so you have to it won't work. You have to get special like hardened nozzles. But which you can get there like 15 bucks. Okay. Oh, that's okay. So you can make so what whatever you feed into it, you will make a different item obviously right you and and everybody has a different it'll have different properties. It could be bendy. It can be dead. Solid it can be something that magnetic magnetic. Okay. Yeah. All right conductive. You can do like conductive polymers and print like a circuit board. I've never done that that you can do it, right? Okay. Okay, so all right. Yeah, so you're doing it at work and then you're like I would actually like this kind of like that. So again, so my friend Keegan this whole time years every couple of months. I'll be like hey, so you should get a printer and at one point he sends me this specific one. It's called The prusa Mark 3. How do you spell prusa PR or USA made by a guy to check company? Cuz so for the like for what basically from like 2000 to 2015 the consumer level three point is all about there's about MakerBot makerbot's like the apple of consumer 3D printers. Okay, and it's nice in some ways cuz it's plug-and-play they will usually always work. Okay. But for 3D printing usually the kind of person gets a 3D printer is the kind of person who left like Tinker with stuff. Yeah guilty. And so it's a very it's a very closed ecosystem. You can't really like mess with it. If it breaks got to send it to them to repair if it's flexible. So precise is an outgrowth of a thing called rep rep rep rep. Is this like big giant sort of like a conglomeration of communities that started in the UK. That's basically under the idea that printer 3D printers should have as many as possible of their parts themselves D 3D printed bong made out of so that you can get that you can make your own replacement parts. Exactly. Oh my God, the guys are coming. Okay guys are totally coming. I am sympathetic and supportive anyway, so the the person work three jobs an outgrowth of that and it's really it's totally open source, like you can get the plans for everything all the software. Everything is just available online for you to download so you could buy all the raw materials yourself and make it if you want. Okay, realistically you buy it from them you either buy it fully made or you get like a $300 discount if you buy it as a kit, which you build yourself which again engineering nerd. Yeah. All right back it took like a model. Did you do models when you were a kid? I didn't I like it's weird. I was an engine. I'm like a really nerdy engineer now, but when I was a kid, it was like not really I was young kid Keegan was my friend. Keegan was the guy who built the models and whatever but I never really was somebody who liked anchored a lot or like broke open, you know cabinets to ceiling one together. That wasn't my thing now, I knew I loved it, but it's just wasn't dead. Play. You sort of fell into it later. Okay, that's awesome. That's so cool. So so but still he sends us to me. It's like 700 bucks for the kit and I'm like, okay, but I still don't know what I would use it for home. Yeah. So enter now now we get to the gloomhaven part of this story. Okay gloomhaven is a game where you Haven is a more support. So I am not a I mean like I played some board games some video games and not like a huge gamer, right? You know, it's fine. But so I'm reading Gizmodo the tech blog Gizmodo. Okay, randomly one day and age I'm scrolling past and there's this like promotion thing that says, you know gloomhaven is now on sale for $150 and I'm literally keep scrolling. I don't know what this means. But as I'm scrolling I'm reading a paragraph and I freaked out of me one is that this was voted the 2017 Board Game of the Year by boardgamegeek.com right to is that it's this this was it's Thursday. Continue the first two printings of sold out in one week. Okay, and that resale and there were resold on eBay for like two hundred fifty-three hundred dollars, right? So ridiculous. Exactly. Yeah, I saw that makes me go. Okay. So if this is available and this seems to be cool. Let me look at it. So I look at it. And so what gloomhaven in I find out what it is and I I'm fascinated by it. So what gloomhaven is is it is a legacy board games. So Legacy games or the new hotness in board games nowadays and sometimes fun sometimes not fun. So sometimes well done sometimes not well done. But is there is gloomhaven only available as a legacy game? Yes. Okay. So Legacy beans finite right? There's you played for I tried to do pandemic literally got bored off and cuz I like original pandemic and I don't I'm not enjoying the one we're living through but the but Legacy is there's it's dead. And a story arc essentially and so there's maybe twelve episodes or something, right? Yeah, so we don't even dance like a hundred episodes. So it's big it's huge. It's basically a video game but as a walk-in and how many people play 1 to 4 so you can actually play it by yourself. Yeah, you can play gloomhaven as a as a one player board games one player game just like as a video game for yourself, Oh my God, I think I might have to get it then because my biggest problem with the pandemic was trying to get for people to schedule their lives. Yeah and off if you were just like, oh, well, I guess we aren't I mean maybe that's what did it but there's a single player version. There is a single player like mode the same thing. Okay. So I'm Sorry by this game. I start looking at it. So yeah. So basically it's like it's basically a video game. So you you make a character you make like a party a group of characters and there's a story that you follow and every every session you sit down. And it's like one scenario. It's like two to four hours and you it tells you the game tells you how to have all these map tiles to put the piles together like this put down like obstacle tokens and monster towed here. And then this is your story. This is your goal for this scenario and you play through and the play the play itself is really fun. It's like card-based and so you have these movies that you can play out of your hand, but the the strategy involved it's really the rules are really really complicated and it took us all along time to get used to it. So it's all fiddly. Okay. It's very easy very friendly. I slowly back away away from gloomhaven, but once you get it you get it and it's amazing. Okay, super super fun. So I get off at this game. I start setting it up. I find a group of people we play once a week super we have a blast. So we're doing this for like six months. There's this big community on Reddit for gloomhaven. Okay, literally a huge portion of this community is people asking these weird rules questions where it's like if I had this thing in life happens and what I have heard like, you know, it's but but of course seen that people do on this sorry and it's one of the great things about Reddit they they when read it is used for its powers for good job. You can find out weird very very specific things exactly. By the way. I talk really fast and I get get carried away. So please like if you need to smack me on the head and be like a month now as my favorite Dark Forest plug and blank go my friend go. I'm like Nick Betancourt by the way, and it is TX engineer. Fourteen. What is the name of that Universe Universe thingiverse getting a thingiverse, which is run by MakerBot the apple of 3D printing. Okay, but see, you know dead. Yeah, so so all right, so I'm on this thing. And the other thing that people do is the the in gloomhaven the monsters and the obstacles or whatever are literally these these little bored tokens. They come up again. They have the they have the picture printed on them. And you know, I'm not like a minifig person. I never Warhammer whatever but I know that those people exist sure found those people really wanted Minifigs. They really wanted many fix for this right but there would literally if you went like so and the the Creator by the way gloomhaven is the brainchild of one person as her children, it's his mind is a must be a wonderful place. That's awesome. Okay, as he made other games, he's made he made a game called Old Forge Wars something like that. That was one before going to heaven. Okay, then he made a gloomhaven spin-off called founders of gloomhaven, which I did not like, okay, but that was cuz it was not my kind of game. I hate games where you get off. Where your plan when you make a decision you get like locked into it. So I hate that so cuz so regular gloomhaven s more flexibility too. Oh, yeah because it's like it's like, you know, there's there's chance elements to it keeps rolling dice. You have cards. Okay. What so it's is it a deck-building game? Is it a work or a replacement game? What is it's it's kind of like a friend of mine described it as Dungeons and Dragons for people who really don't want to play Dungeons & Dragons. So yeah how so because it's you have all that you have it's basically entirely combat although some of the scenarios you do like non-combat things, but it's still mostly like you got monsters and they're trying to kill you. Okay, and and the story is really cool. Like I mentioned that there's you know, there's like a hundred different scenarios and you play one every time but then you make choices as a team as a party aspect of it and it's like choose-your-own-adventure. There's like branching story lines and you know, oh cool. Yeah. Yes. Oh so back. I'm interested in we're back then coming back at home. I spent my entire life with games like that going so it looks hard though. It's super fun. Okay? Yeah. So yeah, so you're fighting at the end at the end of it and thought there's all these monsters and all these obstacles. There's like, you know hundreds of these little tokens and so children but Isaac children's the guy who made it was I asked he's like they were like, oh, you know people want Minifigs because the the cam your characters have many things that it comes with and he's like it would have made the game The Box would have been twice as big in the box is already enormous. Like here's my point of view the page that that game at the bottom. That's the gloomhaven box. It's okay. All right. Yeah, it's taking up half of a shell house Shelly exactly. Yeah, that's super tall. We might have it. I know that we have a game closet and some of the boxes are too big so okay. So he was like, yeah, the the box would be twice as big and this $150 game would be a $300 game like it's just dead. And if I made this, yeah, so but then so there's this community of people who are on the Gloom having to read it and they are printing 3D printing Minifigs $4,000 for the honest greedy hater the 3D printer. They're also by the way 3D printing organizing stuff for the for the stuff which I also love cuz I'm not kind of a nerd cuz again the games huge and there's a million component. So it's nice to be able to organize things, you know places but the cards tokens what I see. Okay the answer into the box exactly. All right. So again, and now I'm still a little hesitant. I'm like, oh this is so cool. But now my thing is okay, but I can't paint. I don't want to make blank. I can't I have the motor skills of like a drunk monkey. Like you said, I kept my Porsche it off. So enter now enter into this scenario my partner Christopher who we had been dating for like six months maybe share at this point not that long. And I brought it up to him in this cool thing or whatever and Christopher is in is in the restaurant business, but he also has lots of side Hobbies. He's a he's a makeup artist on the side and he's a drag queen on the side and he also does off the side. He's very artsy fartsy. That's awesome. Exactly. And so we've been chatting and he I mentioned to him that oh, I I can print these Minifigs but I don't I don't know how to paint them and whatever and walk out of the blue. I'm at work and he text me and goes. Hey, so I was looking at YouTube tutorials on many fake painting. It seems like I could do this. This is the thing that I could do would be fun and I was like, oh and I just go wait. Are you telling me that if I bought this and I printed these you would paint them and he goes, yeah and I go about your right now. I was wondering since I bought it then I went on the website and I bought it off is awesome. Because now it's something now you have a thing you do together exactly. Right? So you just so you bought the you bought the 3D printer at that moment right at that moment. And did you buy the the person I bought the person I bought the one that Keegan cuz I was like Keegan has done all the research. He's done all the whatever sure. He has like a very and even fancier printer. He has like a professional level whatever but he had said to me he was like, you don't need that this the one you need and I was like, you know what? I trust you you're smart. And if you buy something basic, how much is the person how many person was the Kit is 700 off? Okay. Did you save $300 if you build it yourself or something right? Do not ask me how much I have spent since then on like additions modifications. Have you had this would have been this this was happening the fall of 2018. It's about two years. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so you've had it for for two years and you are projecting Minifigs for gloomhaven. I am printing. Well, I'm not anymore. I did I so that was that was the Gateway. That was the Gateway printer. So the comes in I have to build it off. It is fun, but I'm doing it like at night. I work nine-to-five. Yeah, and and it was actually really funny Christopher now, we're not living together the time. Oh fun side note Christopher and I moved in together literally three weeks before Pentatonix started. Wow that I hope I like you pretty much we are now cuz right now Mary degrees off once a really glad that it worked. It worked out there were rough times, but you know what? It's a hard time. It is a hard time. You got over your eyes and figure out how to live together. Yeah. I talked to me about it. I am not been home for six months in a row for thirty on years and I am married and Andy is we it's been really really cool off with occasional. Could I go into a different room place? Okay. All right. So obviously now we have this tiny we have this tiny garage room, which I I song I'm spent three or four hours a day, which means that you can get work done in the house. And cuz I if cuz our we have our computer set up sort of like back-to-back like a cube and and so I I'm chatting me too. Yeah, he doesn't need it. So if I'm in this room I can I can fuk off quite a few anyway, so, okay. So now you have now I have this printer. It has come I have two and now I have to build it building. It is fun challenging but fun. It was funny because I built it on my kitchen table. But then the other thing is I don't have anywhere to put it once it's built. So the very first thing that I printed with it was a thing that the price of people have on their site which is off an enclosure that's made out of two $5 Ikea tables. Oh, yes, cuz it's open cuz that's that's the other thing is that it's here. This is the first time that I'm going to share my screen. Okay. So for those of you who are looking at this on YouTube right back. Okay, so that's not a good picture right? There we go. That's better. There we go. So share about a month ago. Can you see it? Yeah. Okay. Wow, so if you look on the inside of it, so the the printer is open. It's not enclosed by default and I have a cat so that's the last name is aster sure is and are you torturing the cat by having a roll of toilet paper underneath it what he's not that kind of a cat but if she wants to be a problem. Yeah, so I think it's a two-story cabinet. It's essentially a two-story cabinet built out of Ikea tables. And so they have this stuff on their site on how to build like these things to put it all together these little shelves to put like the power supply all this stuff. So that was the very first thing that I built right and they also have a link to Ikea to the exact table. You need help. Yes. Exactly. It's yeah, there's it's like he has like super the cheapest, I got but yes, it's the exact one that you need and and so the symbiotic relationship between make what but what is a good between prusa? This is Bruce. This is yes, I can't okay. Yeah, exactly. All right. There we go, but it's too. So what is it in the lower? And what is in the upper? The lower? The lower cabinet is just a bunch of like my tools and shit that paper the the toilet papers actually paper towels, cuz the one of the things like there's lots of like things that you have to think about when you're 3D printing and that's one of the things I love about it is like a lot of different little things to track. One of them is the first the very first layer that you print on them to stick and it has to stick perfect because if it doesn't if it comes loose the whole thing just goes to shape. It'll just totally come apart. It's got spaghetti because you literally end up with what looks like a bunch of spaghetti because I thought the the nozzles going to still move wherever it thinks it needs to be moving. But if the part underneath it isn't there anymore. You're just making okay weird Okay. So is the green and yellow on top with the fam? What does that so that's so that's not a fan that's a temperature and humidity sensor same deal. So you want it if this is not so much a problem. I live in Houston, so it's not so much of a problem here, but if you live in a cold Limit, especially when you print a certain materials like ABS once abs abs is ABS is what they make Legos out of I've never been to the ABS because it's a bitch to print with and it's not like running plastic when it's printing sure not so much. Yeah, it's so so from with those and and the and the area around the printer is cool. Yeah, the print will just like it'll cool down too fast that'll warp. So it's nice to have the inside of it and you don't have to have like a heater or anything that printer itself will just heat up heat up the enclosure. Okay. Can you come in on that? Yes. Oh God. Oh, can I okay. So so there is the the thing you tap off or the control panel now, it's like it's with buttons. There's no touch fortunately not fancy enough for touchscreen. It takes a very simple and just a knob and it's and it's crazy. How you doing? So you so yeah, so you have to of course, you have to keep everything very clean cuz that's the thing about sticking is that you have to clean everything with alcohol before you off with it. Oh, you'll have to clean and then they tell you that like once a month clean with acetone and I was like where the hell do I buy acetone and I looked it up on Reddit. Yeah, and they were like you can buy acetone Like Home Depot, but the best place to buy acetone. The purest has shown you can buy is it the pharmacy because if you buy 100% acetone for nail polish remover because it's four people because it's pharmaceutical. Yeah, it's it's super pure and they woke. A residue. Oh, so you're just it's now it's nail polish nail polish remover to make sure that you got don't get anything with anything fancy in it, like vitamin E or whatever. You're like, I want the Good Ship em, I don't need it to be softer. I just need a few. Yeah. I'm not trying to keep my nails alive. I'm trying trying to clean a thing. So so is it is is is now nail polish remover. This is much off of stick people. I don't know anything about nail polish remover. Is it is that the default is it cheaper to get it without the vitamin E or is it cheaper to get it with tough in it? It's usually cheaper but if it's cheaper it's by like, you know, it's a 16 ounce bottle with fiber. It's a difference of like a dollar two dollars. It's 47 cents difference. Yeah fair enough. Okay. Just curious. Okay. Now it looks like you have made Crystal. So yeah, so these are crystals. These are little Crystal things being printed and if you look back here, this is what they look like painted off. We're Christopher. Oh, yeah, Christopher is a there we go. This is nice. So for Christmas that for Christmas that year I got him a little white box like they used for like eBay the things you like set it up and has lights on like a background. Okay cool pictures. I take my last. Yeah pretty much. So a lot of these pictures are taken in that. So yeah, I know he did he did some amazing. He's done some amazing jobs on previews were like the these dragons are insane these little mini dragons and put a little Border in their their their cleaning. Like I don't understand how he can do this. He's sitting there holding it right in front of his face off. He's not using a microphone like a Sherlock Holmes has my glass right? Thanks for playing password with me. Okay, so nope. He's just joined my boss what he did with the tongue. OK Google go to YouTube you guys you gotta see this stuff. I mean he's like and and and and you know, these these paintbrushes he's using have like three hairs on them, and he's just bring it home. Anything that's so cool. You are so lucky that he loves to do this. So like he's so lucky that you have a 3D printer. So I go I printing all of these these Minifigs and I have to change to change nozzles. So I remember I said that these the nice thing about these groups of printers is that the they're sort of like configurable you can mess with them. And one of the things that you can configure is I'm going to unshare my screen for a bit. Okay? So one of the things that you can configure is the nozzle size. So the so I mentioned that you know, you have this filament that that pushes out and it goes through this it gets heated up and squeezed out through the nozzle. So our standard aperture size for a nozzle is .4 millimeters everything by the way, everything 3D printing related is metric. Absolutely. Sure. How is your metric? Is it pretty good it using a lot better since I started doing. Can you think in metric yet? I I can and again it's because of this it's because I've had so much experience now with like, okay. So when I make it 1 millimeter, it looks like this or it fits this way like wage you get that sort of able hands on. Yeah. I just I would like to learn that language at again. No effort has been put into that so but go for yeah, so yeah, so if you can always change that aperture size if you go bigger, you can print faster cuz you put more material at a time and also stronger. Okay, and if you print but if you give smaller you can get more detail and so yep. Bumps on the on the dragon exactly the bumps on the dragons. So the the standard there's a lot of different things that affect the quality of the 3D print like how much detail you can get but the sort of like the most important is layer cake, so getting 3D printing builds up layer by layer by layer the thinner your layers the pretty over your prints going to look the smoother. It's going to look especially when you have lots of Curves. Okay agent slopes so long and what slopes slums got it. So but then what the from for Minifigs what the tiny nozzle lets you do is it gives you a better detail on the horizontal. So if you have like, you know, like a tiny little like Ridge where he's holding a sword. Yeah, you can print that a lot better and with more detail and you can also print these off tiny layer Heights like to give you a a rough ballpark of like what layer heads are like so point two millimeter layer height is like a rough draft .15 is some detail log. Is pretty detailed so with a tiny nozzle like that one that I use to print these Minifigs you can get like .05 Lair, right? So these really hyper detail. Wow so long I had a question and it went away. Okay, though. That's okay. It's the the the the detail. So you're you're layering to make the change anything? Yeah, and you're making sure the first layer is solid like it's solid and sticky because it's building on that first layer up from there and then Thursday. Oh, I know it's what do you if it has a knob and a button how the hell are you creating the instructions? Haha. So here's what I'm going to share again. Okay, so you use a slicing program. So the the way the design of a part in to the printer is in a boat tiny boat physical bennche. This is a standard Benchmark. The SS bench seat is a standard Benchmark print so you can if you print this your printer is working pretty good. Okay. So what was that we test print off. Yes, exactly. Oh my guessing the SS Benji cuz it's a benchmark. Yes. So so you start with whatever program you're designing like your CAD program. I for work. I'm familiar with 100 SolidWorks is a very very popular one. Okay. There's a there's a free one called Fusion 360. Yeah, which is very popular cuz it's free. Yeah, but this by the way was the downfall of consumer 3D printer off. The Arts and the teens was that you know, MakerBot especially tried really hard to push this for consumers, but the big big problem was that the the software to design a cat software is one really hard to use and to really expensive like a commercial license for SolidWorks costs. Like two grand a year. Oh my god. Oh, yeah. So if you're not if you're not offer company, yeah. Yeah. She's how do you how do you write that off? How do you exactly you need a company so is so what's the what's the free one called? The free ones called Fusion 360 and it's okay. It's okay. I've used it. It's okay. Okay, but the one that you have is called crio or the one that I have is called Korea. And so that's I use that that's the one that I use for work. Okay, so they have they have purchased license. Yeah, exactly cuz it's work attack there are job. So so you make whatever you're going to make in in your Cloud program, whatever it is, and then you export it. And so the cat Biolage. Like what they call parametric so it's sort of conceptual you say I've got a part this a block this big and I cut out a slot here and a hole there and it's all like that so you can manipulate it and go back and say you don't want that or change it whatever so then you export it. You save it as a mesh file and the mesh file is literally just a bunch of triangles and all it is is the final sort of physically. What is the outline of this part look like home? So you can't actually do anything with a mesh file. I mean you can there are programs let you do it but it's much much harder cuz it's like working with Clay. You can't just sit put a hole here or whatever. It's like you have to physically move things. Oh, wow. Okay, so don't mess with match files if you don't have to okay, but anyway, so then the mesh file gets loaded into this program. I'm showing right now which called a slicer there's lots of different types of slicers. I'm using one called process slicer country and press the one that person makes right and the slicer is the part where you create a file the files called a g code file security code file is raw data that says to them. Move the nozzle here extruded plastic there. It's it's sort of like like like it's old-timey looms that we're actually had computer cards. It's exactly like that. Okay. E like, you know, yeah exactly move here. So that's raw. So the g code file so when people share their designs online, they share their STL mesh files. That's the box back cuz it's the easiest thing cuz you can just plug it straight into the slicer and slice it for your printer. Okay, sometimes people share g code files but g code files are super specific cuz they're there for your printer. They can code like the temperature all of your little idiosyncratic, you know, okay things so it's all it's all very personal so you can share to go file some people do but it only works at the other person to the exact same printer year. And if and if you don't do you have to sort of retconned down to sort of you know, I mean and sometimes I mean, there's very little you can do from a g code file like you can maybe like change the temperature but that's pretty much it. Oh good grief. So if if if you do share it share birth. As a mesh file as a mesh and then the max file has to be made into a g code file anyway for your own site. So when you do it and I'll show here so you you stick it and you put all your sideburns relay or hide and your whatever there's again a million different settings to play with this is this is the best worst part about printing is when a print doesn't work. Yeah, so you have to go back in and you go. Okay. What what can I tweak cuz there's a hundred thousand things you can tweak right and you just go keep doing it. So yeah, so then once when you get it, then it creates this you review it and you can't for those of you who are not on YouTube you it will spit out like a thing like a preview sure that you can go layer-by-layer amazing man. Okay. I'll say okay. So this is the 43rd layer for you know one. Okay. How many layers is this thing got this one because I printed it in Pretty in pretty nice DP has three hundred twenty layers number of layers obviously depends on what you're what you're building and how thick you want your layers to be and can the layer switch the thickest like could you do it in one month? That is okay. So the the the the lair maximum layer thickness depends on the width of your nozzle like I mentioned before right. So the the that's why I am bigger nozzles print faster cuz you can do thicker layers. Okay on a point four millimeter the standard nozzle. The thickest you can do is point three millimeters, but that's even that's kind of how long it'll it'll be really ugly the next size up which I use sometimes for 6 and point eight millimeters nozzle. You can do four millimeters and now that's nice cuz you can you can get just like a block something that's you know, not not a slope lot like a functional piece that carriers are nice and you can just go fast. Right and it's the detail is there if you use a bigger nozzle like it's like like if the nozzle is bigger it can give you a little more detail notes and also figure gives you less detail. Okay, it just prints faster. It just prints Master, right? So it's just a little more blah beloved. Exactly. That's that's your trade off faster versus you know, gossip members of detail makes sense. So so this once you once you have it and you like it, then you load it onto in this in my printer an SD card is a little memory card plug it in the side and you say Okay print this file and markers because the button and the blackjack table on your printer will find the file exactly. You just navigate to the menu. Okay? Okay. I want this file and and you're pulling it off an SD card, which is an old-timey camera card if I remember correctly and it's a regular camera card for my digital camera. Now, that's what it is. That's why now, you can with the proof and let people do you can do this whole thing online. There's a service and a thing called octoprint off all thing where you just connect you connect to your printer over the internet and you will load the file over the internet and all goes through there. I've tried it. Sorry, you know, I was going to ask is there a way to hardwire your computer to the person dead? Yeah, but that's that's actually bad because then if your if your computer cuts out for any reason the whole print desk, yeah, that's why you're using the and and I tried to do it over the Internet what happens it's fine. They just bring for me personally. It just seems like a bunch of extra steps that don't really help when you can just put it on the card at the exact turn something really want to go over wage. They can they can leave you can hook up a webcam. If you go on YouTube and look up like 3D printer time lapses. Yeah, I can do this thing where it hooks up a webcam to it and then in between every layer it moves to a certain it moves to the same place and takes a picture so that you got this time lapse or it looks like this whole thing is just climbing and magically appearing from the from the bed. It's pretty cool looking. So you you can only do that with the with the when you do it online with octoprint. That's what it's called off. Okay? Yeah. I have another question unless you have more about the software. Okay. So how much are the plastic parts? How much is the dog? A few used to show the plastic once you get the plastic. It's for the most part super cheap. It's like twenty bucks for a kilogram, which is a lot of plastic. Okay, and I have you end up like I'm listening who does textiles like knits or crochets or whatever. Yeah as a similar. It has a similar problem with yarn, you know, you'll buy you buy a new skein of yarn or in my case and you roll a filament cuz you're like, oh this is a really pretty color or it's just really cool. And then you just end up with this gigantic pile of filament boxes and you're like, I need to stop by and fill a minute just useful. Right, right. Yeah. I am hurt to have like classes full of you know what I'm sure or cloth or whatever. Yes, so you have boxes and boxes of different colors are there different and and I know that there are because you mentioned it but different textures off. Yeah different material type. So as I mentioned so p l a is like the basic one and it's cheap. It's biodegradable. It prints really easy. Okay, like, you know, because that's the other thing is that different people have different game. Difficulties of print so they print super easy. You don't need a heated beds or the prusa and almost all modern printers have a heater into the bed. So it stays nice and hot while you're printing off with most of the fancy materials. You actually need that or I won't stick and the whole thing will work. Yeah, but you actually technically don't need that so which is great because it's further old old fashioned printers like the old ones they didn't have it off. But so my my two materials rpla something called P L A Plus which is literally just like fancy p l a and and make soda bottles out of okay. I'm sort of all her p e t without the g whatever and so or G. Is it stronger? It's nice the downside to pet G is that It's that it's I forget the word. There's like a fancy science word for this but it absorbs moisture from the air really easily. And if so, if it's humid, like if you live in say Houston, right, you can't really be out very long. It'll it'll start to absorb all the moisture from the air and that it doesn't print very well. It doesn't stick. It doesn't sound like the store it somewhere Superdry. I store all of my filament I again I heard I have one of those vacuum sealer for food. Sure. Yeah. I also sous vide what speed sous-vide is where you it's like you have like a game called the magic wand and you so you have food in this in this vacuum sealed bags, you suck all the air out and it's nice and tight and then you have this this little like stick that you stick into a pot full of water and you control it from the app. And you say Okay. I want the water to be at 156.7 degrees Fahrenheit and then you put the food in there for like four hours. It's low and slow and then it comes out and it's perfectly cooked and you open the bag and it's done wrong. So you can make all these like super it's great like vegetables and you can make steak. That's like perfect all the way through yogurt. You call people absolutely make yogurt with this and creme. Fraiche. I have been making yogurt in quarantine. I've learned to make yogurt and I've learned another thing Nick. I don't eat a lot of yogurt to make a thing so you okay so you could drink wrap this stuff which which can keep it at a better temperature and keeps it a better humidity. You still so it keeps all the humidity out. But I also have I bought this is one of the things that I bought around like I really need this but I actually love it now about a device called The Print dry, which is they charge a premium to to sell your food dehydrator, and that's literally what it is. Okay, and so you put the filament in their thoughts printing or when it's not whatever and you turn it on and then just blows hot air on it to suck all the moisture out if you have either to keep it dry or to try it out. It's attached to your to your coffee table. So I just put it off. But a coffee table, okay, and oh and so it's it's portable. So you just do it when you're printing essentially. Yeah, just to blow hot air on it to get the moisture out of there. Yeah. It's the same. Early for people make jerky. Whatever. It's the same thing just blows hot enough that is fascinating. Now. I have seen giant. I have watched a YouTube video where they have made housing off all those huge ones. I see both. Those are super cool like the concrete one. Unfortunately. I don't have one of those for me know that's a future trip. So the the but you could make all you have to do so You in the software you can design right? So you could design anything. You're like, I would like a sword. I need glamdring and I often get all sorts and but it was I would like that and you could print that now American your your 3D printer is relatively small. Yes. This is actually for preferably printer Minds on the large side. It's always different volume. Yeah. The print volume is 250 by 250 by 210 millimeters. So that's like that's like ten by ten by twelve inches or two pages. But yeah, so you if you want to print glamdring cosplayers, by the way, the other thing that we having in touch on is cosplayers love 3D printing you want to print yourself a stormtrooper helmet or Iron Man face plate loves you can do it this with fits. Well, you have to you have to break it into pieces. Okay, so you're making Parts? Yes, you're making a model and then you're assembling it and you glue it together. Yep, and you glue it together. Yeah. Okay. This is another hour. Okay, So yeah. So have you done any of that? Have you made any costume Parts? I have not done. I'm not a cosplay person. I'm not a huge costume costume person. My partner the drag queen has always been he has been you know, we've chatted about it. There are things we have ideas things that we could do. How about the that oh, yes the Carmen Miranda hats Oh, you want to hear a hilarious story about that a little brother. It was born on Halloween. Okay, and my sister Monica is 9 years older than him. So when the day that he was born she was trading and she finished her reading and I came to the hospital. And so there's a picture of her holding her newborn baby brother in a full Carmen Miranda costume with that. Oh my God, that is that should be brought that needs to be printed and made nice. Absolutely. That is a fantastic. That's fun for him. That's fun for her. That's what exactly yep, Miranda story myself is I've always wanted Andy to make he's a game designer. And so I have always wanted him to make a game called the final banana and the final banana off essentially be like a nap Tetris but Jenga where you would stack fruit and you would stack the final banana. He it turns out off. As featured grape and has has has overlooked as as overworked the vital banana idea for a game into a thousand other games that have I love that wage. They have he wants there to be a card on your head that has a banana. He wants to build a crown that you wear and you have to build it on a person's head. I'm like stop talking make me a pile of fruit and then I'm gonna it's not done that yet, but maybe when he does do it you can 3D print fruit. Oh, absolutely. The last one thing that I wanted to talk about before long time was the so I mentioned way back in the stone ages. When I started this conversation, there's two main there's two main categories of 3D printers for home for consumers. And that mine is the Audi the fusion model with plastic other main one. It has a couple of different names people usually refer to them as resin printers so printers use a totally different style of to build up material, which is where you age Take a bunch of liquid and you pour it into a tank and there's a screen that's like literally it's a screen but instead of like sending out like a regular LED screen, but instead of sending out a light it sends out UV light and so it and this liquid that you pour in is UV curing so you so you cure you make solid. It's a one layer at a time. So it's like home so it'll the screen will have the image of one layer and then it moves down has the image of the next layer and it moves down and resin printers are really cool people who get really into Minifigs use resin printers because the resin printer off there unlike ftms. There's not as much material choice or not as flexible. But what they are is hyper hyper detailed you make these you can make these tiny beautiful Parts with them anytime you later Heights you can make these gorgeous Minifigs. Yeah, and I kind of want one. Yeah, but Christopher said know what I want is $2,000. Oh God. Also also they are really messy and like you have this liquid you have to deal with when you take it out there still wet and you have to like cure them specially and they smell like your bus Meja. Yeah, you would need exactly. Yeah, you need a garage basically cuz it all to go off fumes. Yeah, you need essentially your dad's work room. And yeah, so or someone's dad's work, but Monday, yeah, enter forget some of it. Yes, and that is hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, that would be that sounds cool are there so your if your machine if you're a new printer is pretty big. There are bigger ones. The concrete ones are obviously and there's big versions of mine too. There's big Fusion printers. I'm trying to get my office to buy one, but I can print you have yeah because we we need it. We we make huge Parts. Okay, and and we want a prototype them. Yeah, like those things where you can do like a a cube the bill volumes like a meter. It's like three dog. Cube and you can build in that huge. Yeah, it was really cool. So if but if you had that giant machine and you had Italian T Dolls Could you build the most detailed? Yes, you could absolutely cut and how long does it take to build a thing? Does it take it out or does it take a day it's on the scale of ours again. It's a it's a thing of its a thing of it's a trade-off of detail. So I will say that when I was making the figures for gloomhaven, right? I would like eight at a time and I have these tiny tiny layers and so I would print eight many face but literally takes like 2 to 3 days solid it would just go printing off. Oh good lord. So you would essentially press play and then walk away. Yeah. Do you have to refill the the filament running out in the middle of a month is like a nightmare scenario in the modern era. It's not as bad because modern printers have what's called a run out sensor. So it knows that the filament ran out and it'll stop I don't say refill me. Okay, usually cuz that can. And then you're really up schitt's creek cuz you you made it like, you know two days and twelve hours into a three-day print and then like oh, no, but it's not sort of a printer tray kind of sensor that they've added to it exactly and how so then you're just like where does it go like share that screen again if you would yeah and show me where you're filling the the filament into it off. So, let's see if we can get a good one. Okay. Oh, yeah, that's a great picture Okay. So so the filament comes in through the top this is not what the printer by the way this is just a different one. It comes in straight through the top right down. It's just kind of tiny box with looks to be an empty box right now or or cage what this thing? The the gray thing on Top O The Great thing on top is a roll of filament. It's just seen straight from the front like it looks it's where's the other one? See like the this is maybe a better way to look at it see okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so that's oh oh so it's a spool. Yeah. It's just a spool. It's a spool of extruded know where Philip yeah, like electric wire. Is that what Phil of it means? Hi. I'm glad for calling that mean. Sorry. Yeah. Thanks for playing Jackie. Okay, so so it just is that white line that's going into the top box. Is that the filaments as well? That is the filament I use a little a tube of Teflon PTFE. Yeah, as I learned when I was I learned in, New Jersey I started working for an engineering company Teflon. The name is trademarked. So you can't call it Teflon unless it's made by Dupont. Oh, it's the kleenex of filament. Yes, exactly. So tough on you. You cannot print with Teflon, there's weird things cuz it's whatever but so but I use this is actually one of the modifications I made by default. It doesn't do this. I have a little Teflon to that just goes into the shop and I feed my filament through the Teflon tube to basically protect it as it's going in and also because it makes it a lot stiffer. So it keeps it from bending really sharply as the things moving around. Okay. And so so long as that filament is dropped into the the printer because it's just sitting there right? There's yeah, there's there's a stack of Orange Is it affecting it up as it heads towards the time? So, yes, so that tiny fan is not. Well the tiny fan the orange tiny fan is but it's no it's a it's a it's really just a decoration, but it tells you age. Motors when the extruder motor is moving when it's actually pushing it but it's basically just a decoration. Yes, but it looks like a tiny fan. So yeah, that's so as you go down as you go down. It just pushes it has a gears like and it pushes it through into the nozzle which is very hot and then it pushes and the not it pushes it out melted to the nozzle exactly where you want and so it just moves that little box moves left and right the place or moves front and back and that's how it positions it where it needs to be. Okay, and is the tiny different colored orange thing on the bottom is that the nozzle is that when it comes to that is a fan shroud. So that is schedule is even smaller its way underneath there. The nozzle is really tiny. That's just that's that's a like a blower essentially just don't go are cuz you want it as soon as it comes out hot. You want it to start immediately cooling down there so there so there's like a family just that's all it does. Is it blows it blows air on plastic as it's coming out? Do you ever just sit and watch it? Oh, so totally it is hypnotizing. You just sit there and it's going and I can sit there for 2 hours. It's like, uh, huh. Yeah, that's that's and so so something could take three days to do it. You want a way how long did it take to make those crystals? Those crystals are probably didn't take that long. I think with most of the stuff that I print nowadays cuz I tend to print like functional functional stuff takes on the order of like a few hours. Are you building a ship to get off this planet? What are my God right now? What what are you building right now? I'm not building anything this summer. I built a few fun things. I built I made this thing which is a my local farmers market has a wonderful person Urban Harvest farmers market in Houston, Texas listening go through Jackie and her name is also Jackie he was okay. And here's the comedy scene is actually quite great. So I wish to return cuz there's sort of a a bunch of low birth. Comics who just put up shows and and I have worked with them a couple of times just opening for Maria but Bamford, but I would come back anytime. It's awesome. So I made she makes macarons and she has literally a hundred different flavors that she makes that she makes and so she'll pick like a dozen every week and she's like I'm making these ones. Yeah, and she got really tired of writing everything on the Blackboard and she all she wanted literally from me was because she knew off laminate her and she gets can you laminate just make lemonade at cars and I go well I could but you want something cooler. And so I made her these black cards. Oh cuz we didn't even talk about this film at Mid filament changes. So you can change the filament in the middle of a print like and you can only do this with the same material of a different color. Okay, and but just like changing thread exactly. It stops it it unloads you load the next one. And so what you can do with that which I love and I did hear you can see is you can write so you like the first the first however many layers are white and the next players are black. But they have the word cut out of it like, you know, okay. Oh like negative space. Yeah, exactly. And so through that cut out you see the white and you spell something else when this case you you see all of the flavors that you used. So that was a much bigger project than I thought it was going to be but it was still fun. How big is it took each one of the little cards is just it's like an inch tall by like six to eight inches wide Okay, so Thursday, it's literally like the size of my hand a little bit bigger than my hand. So this is a this is a tabletop card. This is not a standing card know I signed the door. Yeah. No, no. No, she have black board and used to stick these cards to them. Oh fair enough. Okay. Yeah, but she has two. Does she have to go with these these same ten like you were like, well, she has like a while she gave me her phone not list of like a hundred Flavours. Yes. Can you like so I printed all of them and then she just picks like so she has this she has a essentially a big box of these cards and she just picks the ones that she's going to use. Okay so she can log About like if if it's not chocolate vanilla, she can go chocolate cotton candy and blackberry and those are the three I'm making exactly. Okay fair enough OC chickens. Oh, excellent. Yeah, so she and then she could she'll call me every month. Like I'm making a new flavor. She just did cafe mocha and I'll make her and I'll make her a new car. So those are that's fun. And then oh the other one this is me being an absolute free macarons. I get I have gotten the occasional free macaron. Yes, because that's the fairness. I made this for Christopher for my boyfriend. As I said, he's in restaurants. He's specifically in wines. Oh and so he got these little two ounce sample bottles through glass bottles and off Amazon that he was going to give to people like just try out different lines and he's like, I want you to make something that I can carry these in. Yeah, and this is my favorite thing about three printing cuz it's it's like it frees you from sort of standard. I was going to make life a sort of milk carton like little six pack and I was like, but that's not I don't need to do that. I can make whatever I want. So I made this honeycomb thing where it's like a carousel so it's six pieces around wage. On the central one and then the central there's a second piece that you screw in that's a handled. So you carry it like that. Oh and it looks like a cork. It looks like emcor Queen. Yeah even realize it looks like a little Quirk open it. Oh my God, that is gorgeous. And and so he could just hand people this adorable. These are to try these try these tragedies six different kinds of wind. And is he a Somali a he is a licensed Somalia but he works in distribution. Well, so does my nephew and initially I was like you're working on a liquor store wage, but then he was like some talking to me I get to go to Spain and France twice a year. Leave me alone my God. Yeah. He Christopher was set up to go to Italy and then you know happened. Oh poor thing, but it will it will resolve and we live at home. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we're at an hour. I have no idea. Yeah. I I think we're actually passed an hour wage. They could talk about this for 17 hours. It's so great. So stop sharing that so I can tell you work out where we are Nicolas Betancourt you guys. It's at Nick Ross bet on Twitter. And then at NH Bettencourt on on Instagram, which he maybe he'll share maybe he'll shave their fourteen. Yeah. I'm down fourteen is probably a better. It's probably a better if I'm going to post like if you want to go to specifically or three different things stuff. Right? 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Amber Preston and Midwestern Church Cookbooks  EP 591

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Amber Preston and Midwestern Church Cookbooks EP 591

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Yeah, there's good and bad, you know buy it buy some Burt get lots of marketing materials that you would hand to people in person in person off road king situation and a big album release party. Yep. Yeah sparkly Parts. It came out in April 17th, and now its available leapers, please ladies and gentlemen, get out there download it by it go to the things and party do the things because it can't hurt your heart will feel better. And then and then I will feel better because I will pay an income. Yes. Preston party will have some dollars. Yeah. So you do the Lord's work over here Amber Preston, welcome to the door for me. Thank you for having me. I'm in my my living room, but I for the listeners I have a blue screen behind me. You really do? Yeah to feel professional. I guess I could like change my background, which seemed So fun in the early days of Zoom meetings like beach or like I would download my album cover behind the zoom meeting. You're not you're not wrong. People are still doing some people still enjoying their hearts and preparation and know the joy of covering up my messy living room. That's what I have. Oh, that's a good one says this is 100 here now polka dots polka dots as fun polka dots is so super cute leave that leave the car. I'm going to get rid of mine. I say leave that but then I don't see how your head looks off your head looks all right. Yeah, but if you get bored with it, I'm not it's not insistent. You don't have to that might be better there. Cuz there you go green screen. There you go. I love what you're doing here now here, but now we have to do it go because you have you have church cookbooks. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah my church cookbooks dead. My dark. Yeah, it's it's I mean, I'm open to many an old cookbook but specifically my mistress church church. Yeah. Yeah Mom, I have I have just to just to get us a little launching pad to my like they also like there's such history books. I think if we're going to get deep about it, but it's also like your name is Turner. Sure. You you you you understand the language of passive aggression power. I brought my own cookbook like mama cooking like, yeah, So many invest we see now that one I there's be some recipes in there that I would actually learn like be like, oh, I want to make that. Oh not. Yeah not as much like maybe in as much as the historical documents is this is a Thursday. Oh, yeah. This was hard. It's a blue thing. You can't see it. But Luther this is my new. So these also like our insights. Oh, there we go, insert into turn off your virtual screen blow kitten gets off. Crazy, I their insights into who I am as a person because that is in some of them is like this one is all right a collection of some of my favorites. This is a collection of recipes lists. L Lutheran Church. St. James Minnesota all crimes. Yes. Nice favorite is either of these if you get them from a used home, so I've sold my favorite things but one favorite thing is I don't know if you can see like under this garden vegetable salad, which I assume is just vegetables right from the guard from the garbage. I've been making a garden vegetable salad. Can I tell you what's in it? Yeah bell peppers zucchini yellow squash tomato. I've had to purchase an onion out in the world. But and then that meant cuz those are the things in my garden that she doesn't have mention here. Mrs. James Anderson. We don't we don't get to know who she is just mrs. James Anderson, but somebody made this and check mark So like sometimes they'll be notes inside the you know, if you find it like a used one like or like a little just a little too salty or like like very note down from Grandma. So I if I find one out of the garage sale or something if it's just like a regular old church. Yep, you know, I might just make sure there's some handwritten notes because I have plenty of these. Oh never tell never tell salad never tell salad. What is nice you nice Jergens. He's a communist would be honest. I am excited about the other person. I did never okay. I am so many questions first question cuz we're there. We need the never tell salad. This is a cup of pineapple juice one package lime Jell-O cuz of course, he got a no. No, this is yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah pineapple salad. Okay, 15 large or or 45 small dog. marshmallows no less and then to cut one cup cottage cheese and then half a pint of whipping cream all of that sounds okay. Sounds sort of okay, but Jack and would tell you the first the first instruction is where they lose me heat the pineapple juice. That sounds gross to me. Well, they lost me at Los Angeles. I think where the or Jello or possibly pineapple juice what they those are the word salad of course. Yeah. This is a classic. This is a classic Midwestern error that it's like you can't call everything a salad. No, don't put that down. I have one question about that about Unis you talking about publication date. I wish to know this is so that's another fun thing. So, what do you think in this? I don't know. Well, let's make it tells us on the so before you go. I gotta go. That's probably a reprint from I mean, I I genuinely think that's they've been collecting that for decades but I think that that's a reprint from the fifties close. It's 85. Oh God. Yeah. Okay. So you're on the right track. This might have been the original printing right that terrible advice. Okay, interesting. You can sometimes tell by the table of contents like this one oldies but goodies so it's you know, it's not it's not the oldest one cuz they're referencing. Good evening, salads and then they also have salads and dressings linked together. So, you know, this is a little bit more modern cuz it's not just like all salads which is going to be sugary and savory. They're like, we know we know now that salads are actually the involved vegetable no Jello and then also has this and that section which is very important. It's often like cleaning and greet like like basically like vinegar and water like here is Judy Judy jorgensen's cleaning solution and it's like, oh my God and a dash of lemon. This might be the book that has the recipe for Au it also has amazing artwork like somebody in the church, you know want it to be an artist and then they had Seventeen children and here we off. This and that. Okay this and that section on this one is always got like cocktail sauce finger Jello, which is probably just jigglers, you know off ham and scalloped potatoes Crock-Pot. I don't know why that wouldn't be under a regular me. That's an entree. That's about Tray right? So that one is oh, yeah, I get so excited. I see something and I'm like make have you tried to make any of these I every once awhile or I'll reference them. Like what I want to make something like Coogan or Divinity off. What's Cookin Aiken is a well now. I just have my mom straight up mom's recipe Coogan is a German. Yeah, like it depends on where like it's different everywhere, but it's like a pastry cake thing a sweet dessert by my mom's just really really thin in like carmalee like cuz she just does her own thing, but sometimes Like a custard pie. Okay sure thing. You got Divinity haven't you like these are words that I know but I don't know what to Affinity is off. And is it a Turkish bath? It looks like a looks like a white poop. Like it looks like a like a scoop of or it looks like a meringue. Okay, it's much denser. It's so rich and I'm like, I'll look to the where the all these how do you make a Divinity you just boil sugar and water and then like until it's a very specific temperature and then add egg whites Thursday. It's like what is the current? It's it kind of it's like thicker. It's it's more I'm going to make you some sometimes it's difficult to make if your mates tightly and it's yeah cuz it has to be just the right time the corn syrup water has to be just right temperature or the corn syrup. And that's water once your sugar. There's more sugar in addition to cornstock. So Daniel corn syrup and sugar together off. And then you have to fold in egg white. Holy. Oh, yeah. And another thing is these books the older ones, like don't give you instructions. They just all say like wage, you know at the very end. It'll be like put in an oven. I'm done. Yeah until it's done. Yeah, you've seen it. You know what it should look like just keep it in there and get you think it's done. Yeah, just put a little a little of that. Yeah. It's insane. So I I don't answer your question. I don't make I also don't like to cook wage. Yeah. I really really don't like it. So this is an odd thing to like to get sick more of a history book is you're saying so do you have any from your my my third question before we we'd often than what the stack of books next to you. Do you have a church cookbook from your childhood from your your shirt me? And my mom has a whole slew that I bought. I do not get rid of is she still using them? She I think she has like a couple things like they're just maybe a specific cookie recipe or just walk don't throw them. They just live in that shelf above the stove like you're not going to put anything else up there. So you might as well keep them, right? So Scott except for that when you cook and then everything just kind of they get greasy and great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like I've got like just gross stuff on it. She does my childhood. My Catholic Church growing up was Saint Benedict's Church right outside in Horace North Dakota me. Thank you. And they there there's a recipe in there that has like a not like it's a straight-up racist. Oh, yeah and which is interesting cuz the Cota couldn't be whiter owe less diverse. Is it is it some do you remember Jim worcester's joke about the he's like, he's from South Dakota and he said racism in South DeKalb. Is so weird because there's there's only white people you could be racist against the Native Americans except for that. You have to be committed to reach them cuz they're not doing anything. There's like that is a anyway he had a couple of punchlines anyway, so yeah, I mean, it's definitely think we were very Catholic so so life, you know, there's lutherans like definitely like an awesome them Vibe. That's because you guys are the Antichrist I direct you know, this papists. I thought I was too busy not reading my Bible and judging people at church had to get read to you. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's like a full-on racist on cuz there's always an also an offer a snake section in these books. Wow. Is there is there an ethnic section section in the one in front of you, you know, make check it out of that. I say that always and then watch this one lot off. Cuz I will say they cooking like Mama the are obedient. Yeah, the ethnic section is actually Wisconsin like the rest of it on Armenian. And then the next section name is Whitey Magoo's from Wisconsin. It's a Polish German thing. Yeah, of course, there's a hey babe will U help me for a second call for reinforcements wage and grabbed his leg just like this is like phone a friend has an ethnic section and they're always it's like it's also the same for recipes. It's like 17 digits of tacos. Would you grab the Portland North Dakota football cup, I forget what the name of the church is, but it's from Portland North Dakota. I know which one I want. It's too much off. So my childhood cookbook. I remember seeing that in high school and being mortified and I'd forgot like a blocked it out like trauma blocked it out and now since I've like started a job. More of these and talking sharing my love of these cookbooks relatives will send me snap shots and pictures from other cookbooks and things they find and my aunt was like, do you remember this from same thing is cooked with these this thing and my goodness really? So yeah, sometimes it's it's history. That's yeah. Yeah history fraught with racism. And but so yeah, I imagine it would be just some sort of like like a a Mexican like a taco recipe some sort of Summer and saying that was implying that black people only eight these nine these two things not as a lot of yeah, they're just some Asian Chinese Chinese Baptist never which one this is brought me everything you've done to play video games off. Okay to play what game are you playing right now, babe? Actually, I was just watching the Nintendo Direct. They're coming out with some Mario collections breakfast, Nintendo is coming out Nintendo is you're right in the temperature. Of course, of course, you're going to switch video girl. Yeah, of course cuz your Animal Crossing. Yeah. I am aggressive worked my ass Crossing person in the Animal Crossing of stand-up show that I did with Jimmy Yang. Yeah, you really felt the tear? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I am Taki day of Oppression, by the way, let me just talk about it's Preston party on Instagram and Twitter and the album is called Sparkling Parts. Yeah, and she is a summing through a couple coming through a Kitchen Bouquet from from Grace Gourmet Gourmet. This is a combined women's missionary Fellowship of Grace Community Church. That is a lot of birth. It's somewhere. This is from that one. That's what I want. So I do I do make some of them sometimes so I've started because I I talked so much about them to people that I started to make up make the everyone's well, like I'm tiptoeing and to like I made a Jello cottage cheese celery. Oh like that situation, but I shouldn't I didn't put pimentos in it because you aren't a Madwoman. Yeah. So so I'm going to talk about his jello dessert. That's plenty. Yeah. It does add pimentos for a consult. It's like people to shout their watermelon. It's something and he's an entire family is from Mississippi. Yeah, and and they do weird things like salt water melon, because a little salty little sweet. They it's okay. It's all right. Well, don't you ever get the weather fruit like here and they you put the chili in the birth? Lime juice. That's a little bit of healthiness to it. Yeah. Yeah, that's I've had that with but I got that from a cart from older Mexican gentleman. And I said, what am I supposed to do? And he said you're supposed to do whatever you want with it. You just gave me $4 and I was like no no, but what would be the traditional thing? Which basically well you'd put the chili on and I was like, oh, okay, and then I did that and it was good for a while and not super hot. Yeah, and I stopped doing it. And then I ate just regular watermelon cuz there was a lot of it for $4. Yeah, and then I went back to the it's a great story Amber. We tell it again what I did I was off but we do have watermelon coming in in the garden, You've got yourself a giant Victory Covent Garden Guardian a victory garden. We've been at War for twenty five years. So I've had a Victory Gardens for at least fifteen years you've been off. This whole time this whole time. I've been gardening this here is a particularly good one because I'm home and I can actually look at it and Fiddle and diddle and then put some put some nutrients back in home. And it's do you compost you put your banana peel on the gun we do some well. What I do is we used to compost and then and are composting, you know, you're supposed to turn it over and you're supposed water it you're supposed to do a lot of things to it. But we have is a what's called a midden and it's just a pile of garbage and what I do is I barely get essentially what it gets too much. I just bury it in the garden and then I plant things in a different part of the backyard. Yeah that part. Well it disintegrates over a year. And then I plant there the next year. Oh, wow. Do you get to play? Do you Garden all year long? You can other things that I do grow like herbs and stuff. You can grow all your raw long and and I also do Collard and swiss cheese. Holy all year long so I know I just gross. Yeah, here's the thing about the Earth incredibly forgiving angry now would really like us to read. Right? Right, right and I am sympathetic but I can't be supportive. I'm still living here. Yeah, we kind of need this. Look at we're so sorry. Yeah, just to the Earth's very very very sorry. I don't continue to live here. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't have an option and if there is an option that's available to us. I won't be able to afford it off. That's so but he ramble Preston here's my next question is a vintage cookbooks the what are are there sometimes stories in them about the song Oh, yes. Yeah. I want to hear I want to use a mama stories. Tell me about baseball often if it's a church cookbook for sure go back. Well, where's that church with access to the stories about Thursday? Jesus or they stories they all they'll often have a this one's the collectors cookbook that this was a bit fancier. This is the friends of the mini Minneapolis Institute of Art. So sometimes I'll just get him if there are a connection to Minnesota or North Dakota or something. But okay, let's get back to a church one cuz they're not they're not like here may be Jesus and wasn't he great. They're more like this is how you as the woman of the house must maintain your home with loved and Jesus, right? Oh, look at this pretty much just let's let's just take pot luck is beautiful. It's very nice beautiful. And I hate potluck. I'm not a fan of it. What distance Delhi this one's nineteen sixty five digit verification. Is there any indication the members of the women's auxiliary of Saint Peter's Church present potluck and this is the then there's a history of the Saint Peter's Church Grass. Elm Winnipeg Manitoba, oh lovely history and then and then the history of the church continues and then they often start with a kitchen prayer and they're either super religious or kind of kid. She like or like or like it's hilarious like Lords of all pots and pans and things since I've no time to be a saint by doing lovely things like you get it like it's, you know, like read it read off. I want to hear the prayer. Okay, Lord of all pots and pans and things since I've no time to be a saint by doing lovely things or watching late with the or dreaming in the dome light or storming Heaven's Gates. That's a lot of money make me a saint by getting meals and washing up the plates. Okay, so you can either like storm Heaven's Gates, right? Or you can do dishes you can diminish it. Yeah. Wow, and then, although I must have although I must have Martha's hands. I have a merry mind and when I black in the boots and shoes by sandals Lord, I find I think of how they trod the Earth what time I scrub the floor job. Up this meditation Lord. I haven't time for more. That's the second of three versus so long. That's a long one. Yeah, so you get that seems plenty. Yeah like that the beginning of this this hung up. And yes, that's right. It's the same cargo Armenian Apostolic church. Is that where you went when you were, you know, this is actually the south Milwaukee Armenian cook book is good. Oh, I was like literally old women were like, You gotta get the Armenian Church in Racine's cookbook. That's the one you got against because of that's the one that has the right the right. It's interesting facts super Shady super like and so shaming to the women to the my grandmother who went to the South Milwaukee and off he goes to the Glendale Armenian Church, but this one says Lord guide the work we do with our hands and make the work our hands of our hands succeed. Oh, wow. See that's a good one. There's a lot of recipes in the collection of recipes that when we were looked at earlier. The first one is of my favorite recipe take a cup of kindness mix well with love and a lot of patience and faith in God above sprinkle generously with joy and thanks and cheer and you'll have lots of angel food to Feast on all year. Oh and then there's are an angel food cake. I don't know that's just like at the beginning the little prayers that they're yeah sure, but they do sneak in sometimes like you know, like how the recipe for a happy home and it's like a cup of Faith a cup of Joes in a pile of food. Right? Right. Right, right. And so, okay and then what happens is is so this thing has like it'll have the recipe get this they'll do like a page. Oh Mister on the person who wrote The Recipe? Yep. Yeah. That's that's a treasure that package right? This is Sarah noosh bogosian and then her maiden name in parentheses just in case you do as an occasion just in case you might have been sarkisian Thursday. Yeah, which is so funny cuz we don't know if she was called Sarah. Yeah, or if she was a new show in Armenian means sweet. Oh, so she was sweet. Yep. Sierra that's what they named her. And is it a picture of her as a young woman an old woman? What do you got there? Oh, no, none of these old ladies had any pictures cuz they were born of the eighteen hundreds. Okay. And she oh, no, she was born in 1907 in Chaumont clue and her parents were parsec and affili on any occasion, you know, yeah at the age of 18 she and her family experience the hardships of the Turkish massacres in 19150 to bring a little just bring some bring it down at the American your because years later. She taught us how to make spaghetti. Oh my God, and you're a cookbook. Your mom's cooking. Is there like in the Mid-West Church cookbooks? There's often like a set like multiple pages of juice bars, you know, like lemon bars pecan bars, Like is there something is there an equivalent to that in the Armenian? Let's see there is there's blessedly oh, no, you know and here's the birth. Think they don't have it separated the in in the in the in the context, you know tell you what the they don't have it seperated. They have it separated by the name of the person so that you can look up like okay sweet Sara. She brought a lot of good sweets. We should bring you up on Bilal Ian's or whatever the fuck but you can see here's a good look in the back the back cover have an index. Yeah. That's the word I can think of. Let's see. That's okay. They do have them separate. They have them to like side dishes and salads. Sure sure sure. As a main dish wage rate is right. Are you sure? It's a side dish? Yeah. I know like forever. Remember my mom like flipping to the table of contents and going. Well, let me find those cookie like you've kind of just always flipped through it off. Here's here's the meat dishes tishan on the bottom. There's a thing that says Church. Ma Dak serves eighty to a hundred people. Oh, yes. Yes. They have like they yeah, they often have like the regular cookbooks will have like coffee for a hundred potato salad for a hundred but then I got okay. So these I got to show you my three favorites for okay that off later. Okay. Well, this is okay know what we're talking about now too excited. So my again cuz I talked about these my cousin to me. This is like such a Midwest thing. My cousin sent me a package with a bunch of pictures of cookbooks. Hey, do you want any of these were cleaning up? My mother-in-law's house? Oh my gosh, you know, I'm going to throw them if you want them. I'll send them to you and I picked out two I need a bunch of them. But there's two that looked kind of interesting off. Yep. So we've had a conversation. Yes, please and thank you. I would love to she sends them to me with a note that's like you can throw these if you want to Rochelle and I'm like, well, no, I don't want to throw them off. Hopefully I think too that I didn't that I wanted to keep yeah, their family was so they got that kind of awesome. Yeah stirring. Oh, hey Amber. Hope you enjoy these if they aren't anything you want. Don't feel bad throwing them. What is it? Tell you that is such a classic sort of like it's it's a real salt-of-the-earth kind of sentence uses. Like don't no problem throwing them off like that is in a sentence right? It's actually not the sentence structure in stopped before you finish. You needed a noun or something. Yeah there at the end in Milwaukee. There was a I remember when I was a kid something in the paper that made fun of how people in Milwaukee talk. Yeah, and it was cuz you you would sometimes say throw the baby down the stairs a cookie. Why are you throwing cookies two people? I mean if somebody was doing but throw the baby down the stairs at cooking. Yeah, baby walk down the stairs cook. I mean, I'm sure that there's a lot of that in my own upbringing that I just forgotten you will be saying them as you talk. So yeah, what are the recipes you like to make yourself off my old. Dora the favorite one of the two favorite books, but my mom often said you got imagine it's your shoe on the foot. That's one. I was like like if you imagine you're walking in someone else's shoes your shoe on the foot you gotta imagine off your shoe on the foot. So interesting, what would it be your foot in the shoe? Exactly? Yeah, you know, she's a lovely lady. Okay, so wonderful woman who makes lovely cool get not like you're going to find jobs. Anyway, you get it. So my two favorites from like has Michelle and they're written by the same people Janet Martin Allen Allen Tottenham and I have to talk. Okay. So this is this is church basement Lutheran Church. Basement women lutefisk and lefse lunch and Jello and at the covers just all illustrate like old grumpy old ladies just take my picture. It's it's there couldn't be more of them and then and then cream and bread same couple and there's just an angry toddler on a front and I just on eBay bid on the second helpings more cream and bread 298. I got out of that that action. May I have another one of these cuz it's really a $5 shipping. Yeah. Yeah, but I was reading these and I didn't for a minute. I didn't quite get but these are like actually funny like they are accurate but they've got funny like you were trying to be like this one's a cream and bread doesn't really have so many recipes as much as it is like essays and the and little anecdotes the very first poem. Well, this is dead. Headed to anyone who's ever eaten cream and bread a lot of people the part one the very first thing this is the sums up who I am as a burden person. The very first name is a there's an illustration with grumpy. Look this it's a man and a wife. He's sitting on the couch and she's got flabby Bingo winged arms and their chest just two people. That's the illustration and then the to Aspire to this. Is that what I'm you just want you just want to stand behind and arms folded just just looking infuriated. Yep sort of just as it's over yet. The first poem is chapter one The Diary of Lars Olsen in the poem is keep it to yourself. It isn't that bad? No one should know if you're happy or sad. Wow, there's a there's a Lex Luthor. He was the founder of Lutheran Lutheranism right now. So that one anecdote and then that's just like where we would know if your family's the same way. I don't know what our median Midwest cultures like, but we allowed to have feelings growing up. No, no, no reason not to thier wasn't any reason to there was something we weren't encouraged wasn't going to help right? So why bother to draw off on it? You gotta have a temper tantrum. Yeah. Is there a purpose for that? Right right about what's that going to do for you? That's not going to do anything. Oh, yeah, like all right. I guess it's not going to your home right now. Why don't you cry about it is another fun one my my dead mother used to say you want something to cry about That was a classic generally seventies. Yeah, and then there was hitting. Yeah, I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. I'll give you some time. I was never I never I never ate a knuckle sandwich Off Lease said probably probably with more love right? Yeah, it was like that and then the other book was show gave me is the Lutheran Church basement women and this one does have recipes and this one is again. It's it's meant to be humorous but it is it's more like a history of these women and there's a whole section. Did I put a Post-It note on it types of Lutheran Church basement women Lutheran lady Lutheran. Ladies Aid etiquette like yeah, like, where is it? If so, this is my favorite if some this is Lutheran ladies Aid etiquette if someone gives you a compliment on the food you prepared a proper response would be it wasn't much then keep it humble and nobody will think you are a show-off that's off. That's 400. Please read that recipe boil up boil up. Okay. Oh, I get it boil up fifty-two pounds of potatoes. I thought it up to just boil up Thirty pounds of potatoes. She already to add for Bunches of salary for dozen hard boiled eggs. Wow, eight green peppers pickles. Just tell me pickle salad dressing salt and pepper to taste recipe can be doubled for big crowds. Okay. Can I tell you that I have for the the church modack. This is meat meat recipe thirty-five to forty pounds of beef chuck roast or a more tender cut of beef stew wage cut into one-inch cubes 40 lbs comes into one-inch cubes salt red and black pepper paprika a pound of butter. Just 1 pound of butter for 40 pounds. That's not bad. That's that's actually like they do a little more. Yeah. Yeah, twenty two twenty two pounds of onions. Peeled and cut into large chunks six or seven cans of tomato paste 12 inches each and then beef bouillon for flavor. Yeah. I loved it like some of those things I get looked like how much paprika how much you keep tasting salt. We don't know how much salt pepper or paprika to put in. That is true. There's what kind of scales do they have in their kitchen. I just have these like like you're just weighing out. Oh, you will enjoy this sentence wash and drain the meat in a colander misspelled divided into three large pants. We use the synthetic blue enamel pans that church. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know exactly which bands are talking about. My mom only uses it for noodles and you better not use it for anything else. Do not add water the meat will give off its own liquid cover and cook stirring every once awhile with a wooden spoon once a while once until the meat looks and feels like it's almost cooked and sausage and peppers and in general spring. Sprinkle with Paprika. Yeah, they're still sprinkling with forty pounds of meat. You have to Handful some serious the break up and it is almost done like humor is almost done divided the butter and onions evenly into the three panster cover and cook until the onions are almost soft. Oh, I get it cuz you don't you don't have a pan big enough for the life. Yeah sure when reheating the Montauk on top of the stove. Don't use a high flame take care of that. It doesn't burn on the bottom stir often again. Just salt and pepper and add a little hot water if the sauce has gotten too thick juicy serve with bulgur pilaf Armenian tossed salad and bread. Oh, yeah. You don't want to serve it with rice pilaf. What do you think kind of animal? That's what's an Armenian rice Armenian pilaf an Armenian salad and Armenians Armenian Wisconsin Armenian. It says bulgur pilaf. Yeah bulgur. You're just using vulgar instead of rice, right? Yep. minion tossed salad is iceberg lettuce. Oh, yes. Hello. Yes and Wishbone Italian dressing with some I don't know is it weird trade offs? Maybe there's a winter tomato and some change some more onions. Oh God, just in case you want support. I mean just a couple more. Hey, did you ever have walking tacos know, you know the dogs and Tacos the home of this every once in a while, you take a bag of corn chips and either cut that long way the top off or the long way and that that's you're carrying case and then you got you so that's at the front of the the line of food and then you start grab your bag of chips. It's cut open and or some nice lady would hand them to you and then you go to the next station, which is a crock pot taco meat and then you've put into school to meet then you put in the bag in his bag that's with them. Is it is this a small like a sort of individual bag of fun-size Beto's? I know you Freedom Fritos. Yep, and then I'm Doritos you want but let's not get crazy. Yeah. Yeah, is it Fritos? Yeah, who are your show-off? Did we learn nothing, you know and then it's stupid of me and then scooped a iceberg lettuce shredded colby jack and a scuba sour cream and maybe maybe some Tomatoes or salsa if your fancy right, right, right. And then yeah, then you just walk down the spoon or fork and get out of that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that except for how weird it is. Yeah, but it's sounds good, right? Yeah. No. No, that is that's you're just like that would be if I were still babysitting for children, that would be a thing that I would make for children cuz they would find it fun. Yeah and and also super edible ya chut clean up so easy, you know and then like Judy brings the the meat, you know, someone else brings the lettuce someone else like yeah, we don't let bar bring the salsa cuz she makes it too Spacey, you know off Spice not to his facing back to the hundred pounds displeasing the church basement women cook book also has a funeral and all their dead spread section. Brad because all dead spread dead spread. Well, that's what did you do Church going up, you know, there was a church ladies always have a specific lunch for after funerals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the dead spread the word instead spread are the greatest words of the world, please redial. So let's see we've got well, there's funeral spreads. This is just general balogna feeling cheese spread. Hello. So not a lot of cheese in there. It's cooked prevent. Oh, okay. How do you get a half about a graded American cheese? Have you ever met an american cheese that you could even a block? No, only only like sort of plastic individually wrapped. I mean, I remember trying to Great the giant thing of Velveeta growing up to Mike. Okay funeral meet a sandwich filling always used for lunches. Girls used on buns or bread. Yeah, Republicans makes a lot of hard boiled eggs got these women must have just spent their whole lives just really dealing with eggs. You'd think they'd have stronger. And where's oh, okay. Here we go. So this also has a breakdown of Sandwich Secrets usually sacred. Yeah use bread one day old. Oh, this is good use plenty of filling and spread to edge, you know shit verb, right? Don't be a don't be don't be stingy off the urge to shake when he was led butter stand in 1 hour at room temperature and cream thoroughly. Do not melt butter. I can get behind that one. You want a soft and butter. Oh, you want a salt water, but not a melted butter. Not a milk butter. Yeah, but then it my favorite thing is it has funeral plates. So it breaks it down with German Lutheran funeral parade plate. That's hard to say German my gap insurance. Yep. Played and Scandinavian Lutheran funeral plate, that's where I rented line. I've got my my Heritage. I'm I'm I'm mixed. So I sense that song just like you're slightly wider on one side. Yep. Yep for you. Good. What what is the difference between bratwurst beans chips pickles cakes coffee? That sounds like an upset stomach a little bit and then Scandinavian has hot dish pickles cake and coffee. So hot dish bean casserole, which is like the nose. Yeah. Yes. I don't know that I am from Wisconsin. We never called it. Well Southern Wisconsin never called it hot. Dish. We called a casserole Castle. Did you ever say goulash? There was a lot of goulash say yes. What about do you have hot dish recipes in there? Yes, and then I was you know, Jenny Yang came on and talked about a tuna fish casserole, but she had never dead. And until she went to college or somewhere and fifty bucks. Okay, hot dish because I was trying to explain to her this pilot for me as he took all those ladies are very nice. Nice. Nice. Ladies. Just lady's house dresses. Did you explain to him about 2 and 1/2 fish? She explained about two-and-a-half dish. Here's what I don't ever want tuna fish and a can that has been made hot. It's for me next with weeks with pixels and peas and Chips shop. Yeah was one of the first like the beginning of covid-19. So we bought all these egg noodles and tuna and all these things that keep forever and I made like the biggest tuna casserole. How do you say you get yourself? Some egg noodles some tuna some cream of mushroom soup simple case. It's like a key right where you make the noodles and then you add the rescued cooked then you put it together and then bake it right? Right. Right. Right, right and then you put crumpled potato chips. I like the wavy ones on top, but it was just for textures for textures. They were a bit of strain on your Instagram, which is perhaps it's it's like you scooping it out. It's like you gotta engage your core cuz it's just dance like makes up awful gross noise and but it's sucking noise. Yes, you should we should try it. Should I revisit should I revisit the tuna casserole? Maybe Nancy cash would make it and she was dead. Nobody it was I think she made it cuz she was trying to lose weight and she didn't want she knew she wouldn't eat it but eating pasta and like cream of mushroom soup. She would she didn't sit for at least seven years. Yeah, right. I mean that was a classic mom and she there were six we had six chairs. Yeah, and then she would always sit on the stool some reason and not like putting it Dylan cuz she always heard something. Oh, I gotta go. Grab who you are where they owe you need more of that. Yeah be make sure everybody has enough Cherry Kool-Aid is there twice during dinner? Yeah, like off the wishbone dressing anybody need some French dressing which is like watered-down ketchup. I don't know that of course a dessert was always like a five pound thing of ice cream. That was the only desserts you do often have dessert growing up. I think we had dessert on weekends like Saturday like the big bucks and then and then for your birthday she would make you happy. If you would you could have any cake you wanted and she would make a cake and she like she could make whatever you wanted. She could make whatever you wanted. It was mixed reviews as far as how good it was off. My brother Phil whose birthday was the July 4th, and we didn't have air conditioning in Milwaukee of course and but he always wanted a strawberry whipped cream cake and it was delicious and that's always a mess and that was melted and it didn't matter I who didn't have any toys would always want a store bought cake with toys on top. Yeah, so that she could have toys. Oh, yeah, I like your angle. Yeah, that was my angle and I was like, I don't even because the cake was always disgusting. Oh, yeah, it was pretty cake with frosting that's basically plastic. It was just a plastic cake and I was like, yeah, but give me those Rockets the Rockets one time. I had Cowboys and Indians were done over Rockets. Yeah. It was it was a cry for help as well. Yes, but do you have a dog? Do you have a hot dish recipe that you can read other Wagers can chicken rice? Let me find a good old this one. This might be a where I should get my hotdish recipe this one. This is a book called casserole maj-gen and three hundred recipes for the best one dish meals. And this one is very delicate. This one is published in nineteen fifty-three all that long. So maybe not like the most Midwest e. Oh, okay. Well, here's one. It's not a hot dish but it is from the Castro magic book. Oh, they're both good. Okay. This one is cause I don't think you're going to want to try it but can't time by the way you both. Okay, what is called Hot Fish Moose and Zee. I don't know most is a pound of fresh salmon or halibut 2 1/2 cup soft bread crumbs a cup of milk half a cup of heavy cream. I'm on board so far wage. Egg whites stiffly beaten two cups and then there's a lobster sauce two cups Rich cream sauce. Well, how do you make the cream sauce 6 yolks and a pound of cooked lobster or crab meat. This is not exceptionally delicate fish. Dish. This is fish and lobster. Yeah, so it's salmon and lobster together or white fish and lobster together. You put this twice a month use the finest played second. Then you soak the breadcrumbs and milk add fish. So you're making your baking like a foot a moose fish. You're making a pudding you making a trifle making the next page has Norwegian fish pudding cuz you know, you know, you know what that one has onions and Bailey received Babette's Feast. No, it is a food. It is a Norwegian full movie. Yes. Yeah. It was a good it doesn't make you hungry. It's know it makes you weird you out. It is an amazing food movie quite honestly God. Ask her stuff 1989. Okay. I'll check it out. But you are you a tater tot hotdish kind of family or family. Let's read it off. I gotta find something is is it's easy enough to take a bag of tater tots and then you put up a bunch of like peas and onions and you Maki the art of hot dish and it's just this is the same space your experience. Do you like lima beans there? Okay, what do you do with the level? We put some people put him in their their their English? Oh, yeah. Here's this is pretty is that a can you know, it's in the bag in the freezer and this this one's got a bookmark of the Pope. Okay, good faith. Finally which pope Pope Benedict XVI. All right. What year was I don't know. What year did what year did the song? Yeah, he looks she looks pretty this picture looks pretty new kind of tuna. Tuna noodle. Tuna. Noodle here. It is fake four cups noodles cooked choice and tuna size of your choice for a pack of diced green pepper fourth a cup pimento chops one small onion chopped salt can of cream of mushroom soup can a month including liquid a cup of cheese grated again doesn't say what kind of cheese heat oven to 425 combine all ingredients using only half the cheese pour in to grease a baking dish sprinkle with remaining cheese bake twenty minutes. He's busy easy peasy, please define for me too many times. Have I heard the word too many times. Do I not know? What the hell it is? What event? Oh, is it? The red thing that's in the in the olives. That's I mean like has no flavor, right? That's so weird. So I don't where do you buy just pimentos? I think by the olive juice But it doesn't seem like anything super super great at somewhere it okay. I've stumbled in this book on the the ethnic section cuz I got a Mexican casserole enchilada casserole casserole Mexican. Lasagna any Mexican. Lasagna sounds good. Actually that's just ground beef onion green chilies, but the solid chocolate Sonia essentially, right? There's any cheese and I don't know how I feel about that. They've gone North. Yeah, I mean Canada instead of yeah. What a piecemeal I don't know what that means or meatballs. All right. Also, a rug beef brisket be quick beef goulash. Here's one for your choice beef goulash 1 and 1/2 pounds Chuck cubed package onion soup. Mix tomato, paste water brown truck and Dutch oven stirring soup mix add tomato paste and water simmer hour and half dead. Serve over noodles. Okay, that doesn't sound too bad. Actually that onion soup mix you could actually just use garlic powder onion powder and onions and and the engine instead of an onion soup mix and there's so what's the meatball situation meatball and and they're just like me are a nation of meat sauce. Like sometimes it'll be like put some Chow Mein noodles on top and that's that's makes it that Chili's in it. And that makes a Spanish. Yeah. That's all that goes there. Just I want to find you a recipe for a happy home because I mean not that you're lacking in the old mother screen. Here's mother's Cake Boss pound honest affection and love is that a half a pound of each one pound unselfishness and kindness. Yeah one pound Harmony off. Merlinus and beauty and then in parentheses true love. I don't see that means that's weird one pound perfect trust and confidence not just trust but like perfect one pound key or published in Good Humor sprinkled well with tenderness and patience mix all of these well with the oil of sympathy and attention and keeping a bright happy and well lived in home and then in all caps off this cake will endure all others if bakes. Well all your life Wow. That is a something that is something I am looking to see if there are even have your prayers are like fat. Like how how do you keep a happy home? And that's a lot of the moms keep a happy home and then we'll get off for what I was looking for desserts, but I found this which was not only the glossary unique clearly Armenian ideas know about that. Well, this is you can make moss from church Butterick anytime you make what's Moss for church? It's I think that's I think that's bread. Okay anytime an Armenian mother needs stow and just before I decide to rise she makes some indentation of the cross with the side of her hand on top of the dough this gesture asked for the Virgin Mary's help and making her efforts a success. The same is true when she stares milk to make matsulin the sign of the cross is made with the spoon over the milk. Monsoon is yogurt. Okay, I did not know that I've been making yogurt in quarantine it was dead. Be doing instead of Georgia stovetop. It is actually we have an R2 D2. Yeah, very glamorous The Armenian herb garden consists mainly of parsley mint and almost always based on the basil has a religious significance going back to the time of the exaltation of the Cross you remember? Yeah anyway, and it's the coconut bigoted as the cross made its way slowly back from Persia to Jerusalem. It was said to be decorated with roses and basil today people bring their Garden basil to be used in church during this religious holiday and it's passed out to the congregation. That's also another must in the garden is the Grapevine. We cannot have sorrow with a dead of obviously grape. Yeah. You can't you can't do it with a great beliefs. Yeah. You can't wrap anything in a great belief if you don't have a complete anyway, so I get that but I'm finding there's blessed bread used only for church, but Iraq and that is called Moss. There you go anywhere in the birth. Lutheran Church basement women with chili con carne chili con carne it's like beef pork large. Chili powder salt onion. Kidney beans tomatoes black pepper, but then underneath it's a little like an international dish served by Lutheran Church basement women. This was never too spicy for the young who can handle chili powder. Okay, all the Young The Young there was they also like there's a really where was it? There was any here that was like throwing shade. It was something about like spicy food and like well, you know, oh somebody like crazy like they had moved away and they came back and it was like Barb and brought this spicy recipe but good hard-working lutherans don't have time to have upset stomachs. So we don't offer we don't we're in that we found it down. We don't do that the back of this book. There's an Armenian current game. Do you have any sort of weird card games or anything about games off? That sounds like wow, there's there's just more dead death spread dead spread information, I want just one card game. That's all they do is called job training card game car soon, which literally means forty was a favorite pastime of our parents. It's groups of four to six company, cuz the company came to the house to visit wage women and men played it to come on the get quite animated exclamation point good-natured teasing and laughter while the table is set with food off e o in the forties fifties and sixties the men love to congregate after working on Saturdays at the clubhouse and play cards soon as well as backgammon. Yeah, the losers all listed the winners to Coffee in a Hershey bar. Oh, wow, that's not even kidding. That's great. I could go for coffee and Hershey Park I've got I liked about this is just like I see your card game and real. Hot dish for 100 that seems like a very broad term. Okay, you do that only 1/4 cup short Bing three quarts of tomatoes three cans of green beans three number two cans corn. I don't know what a number to kick some cans of corn green beans and tomatoes and then three five pounds of ground beef. Okay, then 50 average sized potatoes. Okay, let's fill one out. Yeah. Yeah five pounds macaroni three Bunches of celery and then three medium Thursday. We have onions already know no audience and then it really it's just 30 30 medium is dirty and then underneath carrots can be may be added if desired or if you have to stretch it off Richie Rich and then it says this is this is a good standby for funerals too. Especially funerals of members who are in good standing and well liked by most Cuz it's a lot of food. Those potatoes are really going to make that stretch out. Yeah. Oh, here's one not devil's food. If you're on a committee for the festival, you won't have enough time to make this don't even bother. I like I like down here in a committee time. I get a fancy it up a bit. Okay, that's what about do you how do you feel about sweet and savory mixed together like a jam pineapple and sweet potato. You know what I mean? Like if you like sit not not much of a fan but let's hear it. I want to hear you have pineapple sweet potato. Oh, this is for Harvest Festival Foods placed as usually remembered what is the sentence Foods placed as usually remembered on table? What does that mean? There is again just throw it. If you need to be throwing it out or thrown it just only if you need throw it throw the baby down the stairs and hit with a cookie and a half an inch 111 inch slice ham one number two can sliced pineapple three sweet potatoes cloves mustard brown sugar. I don't understand this and brown sugar glazed ham and pan sprinkle with cloves mustard brown sugar cover with slices of pineapple cut sweet potatoes lengthwise have been cooked and peeled you'd see now, why won't you say cooking peel sweet potatoes? And then cuz you Gotta Throw That cookies to the baby that's downstairs. Okay been fat in place around have well, there's a way I can get behind and covered with people in in the in the fat and the cover it all with pineapple juice and then bake that seems just seems like a lot of phlegm. First happening and it seems a little busy. Yeah, we're like sitting it's going to give me just a little a little bird little bird for home burn lutefisk suppers. I like that. They also like like yeah, there's really pissed gets a little bit supper. Like it does need a whole section. Tell the as a we're almost at an hour here, please describe a lunar Fisk. How do you make lutefisk in this thing? I don't know how you make it but it's it tastes. It looks like egg whites with shrimps and that is the best mom light description of what it looks like. I've always said that it looks like spit it looks like mucus. Yeah, that is got floating white fish in it because I believe that it is baked and then boiled. Yeah, and there's there's poison involve that there's lying. That is poison. Yeah. I think I know maybe just like was the one thing that survived Winters and Ed. And an Avia and it was very amused you had to eat something and white and there's plenty of fish available. I think we found I found the winner here of the church basement loaded full feeds. Oh like yeah because feeds that's the event not just like it feeds someone if they were ever justification for second helpings. It was at the annual church basement lutefisk feeds. I don't know about that long. Lutefisk dinner for 1212. This is how many pounds of lutefisk do you think? You need Lucas 4 to 12 a.m. Yeah, that's gotta be a hundred and twenty pounds a 600 Fallon's you fish that's like you could die. You could drown in that office hundred pounds of Meatballs, 116 pounds of butter. Hello six hundred pounds of potatoes 276 cans of corn. How did they figure this out? You know, Jose? You're saying is okay. I'm just going to make it for a family of four. What's the math on that? How do I happen to let me see it. How many gallons how many sorry I need 40 gallons of coal for 1200. We're having barbecue dinner and maybe I'll just get one head of cabbage. Yeah. Yeah. This is 60 dozen buns 3500 cups of coffee that just I Hope they've got extra porta potties between 5000 and 6000 Scandinavia and cookies such as Chrome Kaka Spritz Etc varsagod. That's oh wow. They're really they're you know, what the positivity of how many people are going to show up to their Ludacris feat? Like I need that kind of Mojo when I'm promoting shows, you know, what we need forty pounds of coleslaw because that is the perfect way to end this episode. Oh my God, because you guys were going to need twelve hundred people to go up with 600 off. The fish press and Amber Preston's next event. This will go up the first week of October. Do you have anything to plug that first part? I don't know. I don't know what's wrong, but it's just first off. I'm sure there'll be a comedy crossing the Animal Crossing game coming up, but you know just follow me on all the social medias. There we go. Sparkly Parts by it. Listen to it. Get her some Sound Exchange cash at Prestige pretty ladies and gentlemen, Amber Preston. Thank you so much for doing the Dark Horse. Thank you so much for having me Jackie. I hope I didn't make you too Hungry Howie's know I think actually this is going to help and Rangers, you know, the rules out there take care of each other my hat my hat my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat my hat my hat. Well, what do you think that if it looks like a Mexican hat off? It sounds like a Mexican Hat Dance. It's most likely a Mexican hat. And so take up your head and let's dance. Why don't we just call that as the end of the show?

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Kristin Key is a MAD LIB  EP 595

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Kristin Key is a MAD LIB EP 595

"Welcome to the Dork Forest Jaclyn miles whenever Boris Shameless confessions about our obsession with sponge laugh and smile. So let's explore the Dork forest and dorm down for awhile. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian you talk about to listen to The Dark Forest. Let's give you the info about it. First of all, you know, the websites Dark Forest, the Dark Forest, if you like a determiner, Jackie Cason has everything off my podcasts including videos of my stand up my stand-up schedule merchandise, you can purchase if you would like and a lot more info than you possibly even need wage. Let's do the credits my Rick Burke sang and produced and composed that song at the beginning of the show he sang with his wife's here. It's very beautiful at the end of the program he sings this song. Is version of The Mexican Hat Dance? That's my great Berg vilmos fix. This Jackie Cason. Com has the web designer over there and Patrick Brady fixes the audio. And in this case took a video intro very exciting. 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Kashian, There is an Amazon link and the Amazon link just takes you to Amazon your order like normal and it supports the show cuz you came back Jackie. Kashian or dark Forest. Com. Very exciting. Other than that though. There are there is a band camp you can if you have listened to all the episodes that are free and you need more content with our several live episodes that are at the door for us. Bandcamp.com and those cost me a couple of bucks. So I charged a couple of bucks. There's also a storytelling album there that you can listen to stories that I did live and there are 17 free episodes before the Dork forest was pre-recorded. So the audio isn't very good, but the guests were super funny and fun and dorky. So if you want to do that go to the the Dork Forest. Bandcamp.com. Other than that, let's see if there are other things that I should be talking about possibly the Birch yeah if you want to buy merch. The only other thing I want to talk about is the merch you can get dark Forest t-shirts and you can get stand-up County t-shirts. You can get my albums or my DVD over at Yankee kitchen, sure. There's pins. There's a challenge coin. There's a bunch of new things happening over there. Anyway lot of information. I think I don't think I missed anything but who cares let's get into the show off. Hi. I'm Jackie kashian and I just woke up. Welcome to the dark forest. Rangers. I am here with one of my favorite people Christian key, welcome to the program honored to be on so happy to be here. This is great. You look fresh as a daisy. Do I do I just sound slightly better. I just turned the AC off. I'm not familiar with flowers. So sure. Yeah. Oh, but you are familiar possibly with cats or pictures of you know, I have none but I keep this wall of cats in my background as a vision board someday. I my wife is terribly allergic to cats and so I try to keep it photos of cats nearby off. Right as a reminder of how much I have my vision board, which I'm staring at above this is got a dog on it. So see me and my husband has had dogs his entire life is like, I don't want another dog. I love dogs. My mother-in-law has I'm dog. It's very beautiful dogs. So counting down to the day we get a dog. My wife said that she she's a TV producer and she's working on them right now. And she said as soon as they stop shooting we're going to get a dog and then they just extended by another six episodes. And so I said, I might just bring home a dog one day because I am never working again. So I suggest leave us a relatively retired. So we're all just going to have to make do with dogs and cats. Yeah and and then say to ourselves we'll figure it out. Sure. I'm going to be the best dog owner in the whole wide world. I I think I would be a good dog owner. And I think you would do and then I think I'd be very responsible and I would walk it would pick up its poop juice it all these things Rangers. We're easily two minutes in and all I've done is said hi to Kristen key. So let's let's let's see more thing. I think you should get approved for well, you're the does the best welcome a guest is ever had I feel so welcome. So beautiful at the two-minute walk, but it's Jupiter welcome you guys, I'm Jackie Gleason. She's Christian key. She's at the Christian key on all the things and Christian is spelled k r i s t i n k e y oddly enough stand-up comic you can find her you were a comic of the week. If I remember correctly on The Jackie Laura show up a garbage truck is driving by. I don't know if you can hear it doesn't matter to have a drink of water. I see. You have a couple of podcasts you have mad Mondays, which I just did and Matt Mondays. Actually, you wrote a madlib and then I was to give you verbs and nouns them. It was fun together. We created a hilarious story was wonderful. And that's what I said. Are you going to be on the Dark Forest about bad lips? And you said yes. Yes, I am and and since then you've decided to have another podcast which will probably be out by now. Cuz now it's November and we're recording this first day of October. This is very exciting and it's because of your episode page I decided to do an extended podcast because of your mad Mondays. Wow, that's that's that's awesome. That's incredibly flattering. It's it's going to be called fill in the blank or it is called. Let's pretend it exists already. It's like this. Yes. We're we're a couple. I mean, theoretically we should be a couple episodes in by now. Okay, get in on the ground floor you guys it's called fill in the blank page. What's the premise of it fill in the blank? Okay, so I have myself I take a topic that I'm interested in and I want to learn more about and I take a comedian expert that is an expert on that topic or page says that they're an expert on our week one. Guess is Jake Chris Newburgh and he takes me into the world of live music and he tells me all that. I need to know about live music over the course of of course, we work a madlib together wage, but as we work that my Mad Lib, we kind of Deep dive into his world of how he lived the life of a live musician and then I talked to my best friend Kelly about our experiences with that topic off and and it all wraps up into a really fun podcast where I get to get to know I guess what it says is the best number of journalists and a game show that will probably be a t show them for you. That's what I wish for you then it is a game show and awesome. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I just if it could just right now it's just to keep me busy. You see at during this downtime. It's and have the good test. Yeah, I think that's all folks can wish for each other just to keep ourselves sane and to keep the depression away. Oh my gosh time of pandemic. Yes, and I think and I I was talking to somebody who was on this program Bowls did an episode about Dueling Pianos and I don't know if you know this a lot of solo type now not a lot of dueling and so so it's impossible. Yeah sheet and and and off and the internet leg, it's almost impossible to just dual remotely. So yes though, she did explain to me that Dueling Pianos is really duetting pianos because it's there's snow shots are fired and but I will say that we were talking about how this might think is true for everyone right not just comics and and pianists. Yep. That we all want to have to be able to walk out of her own homes at the end of this or walk, you know walk into into work places and and and family events and these things a whole person an entire pack in pain cuz our brains intact and so to do that you gotta have a podcast called fill in the blank where you talked to Jake Crist of Newburgh about what live music used to be like, let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. And I mean that the I spent two hours either night with my brother online trying to find a way to jam live because we I play the guitar and the ukulele and my brother plays guitar. We were just like let's figure out a way if we can just like sing together over the Internet. We did not find a way to do that. But we did we spent a hilarious two hours frustrated together, which was I mean, that is something you can do together on the internet just be frustrated with a family member. And so I mean it is still if yeah, there's there's churches that are trying to pray together and I don't know if you've ever tried to the log Prayer and it's almost like doing rounds. It's almost like it isn't isn't cool. It isn't it's hilariously terrible. It's one of those things that's funny and then get this it's not funny for a long time. And it's funny again. I'm a part of a secret society that sings Happy Birthday to each other at the end does the serenity prayer and faith is one of the funniest things in the world to when it's somebody's birthday. We're like, oh dammit me too cuz he's like the saddest thing to hear and then at the end when when you pray to get it's like it's at the age. I was just say almonds because I did get what I just got out of it almonds. You know what it was interesting. I was less embarrassed to tell people that I've been to church on long to tell them that I was a member of the secret society which and we're talking about the basics you guys. That's the important course, of course rebuilding America one one brick at a time when you look at a tank. Here's why I'm going to turn this off. Turn this down a little bit so I can lean I'm so tired. I don't know why I was so tired. I wanted to why I just woke up. We're but we're going to spend eight minutes discussing not mad libs. Cuz here's the thing Chris woakes. That's your doctor. It is mad libs that I want to talk about it. How do you make a Mad Libs? What do you do? Do you I know a fair. I know a fair bit about Mad Libs and and I can I can tell you it's much more. Let's start off of what the who did it. Why how what was the where did Mad Libs come? Okay so mad libs cuz I was fascinated. I wanted to know the answer that so I did a little Deep dive on it. But here is 1953 Quintard start in Rodger price came up with a game by accident Minister was a writer for The Honeymooners and while he was scripting The Honeymooners he you know was coming up with lines. Like what's a fancy way to say. I want to suck my wife and the jaw tell the moon, you know, and so he's stuck on a line trying to describe Ralph. Kramden's, New Jersey. His nose and without professing what he's looking for. He says hey Raj, I need an adjective and it says I don't know naked clumsy wage and they both burst out laughing cuz that is not a good descriptor for a nose. They ditched the script and they go off and start writing stories with holes in them to make each other. Laugh. Thus is born this for this is the greatest story in Show Business. This is this makes me want to be in a writers room and I've never wanted to be in a writers room. I mean, I I feel like this is just I mean, it's it's the time when two old white men sitting around with a good it was a good time for two old white men sitting but they'd finally did something. This was something good, right? You know, he created something amazing. They really did well and then like every good idea it wouldn't know where it wouldn't they took it to book publishers and book publishers were like no. This will be a terrible book. No one was home. Read this cuz in 1950s America, you know, people don't want to sit down and read a book with the parts of speech missing. I mean that is not a good book great. It was but did they explain that? It wasn't for reading it was for play. I mean, it just don't explain comedic writers back. Then didn't have the clout that comedic writers do today, you know real so back then they just couldn't sell their story so they could take it become published publisher. So they self-published. It went nowhere. It does help us with back in ninety days. So public. Wow. Yeah, and I mean it it actually didn't really have a title defect in the title. What they finally came up with was it took them five years to title it because they fought over it. What do we what do we call this hilarious fill in the blank game that we've created that we can't do anything with Iraq and I think the story of how they titled it was my favorite part of that. They were sitting at Sardi's one day the infamous Deli ya Deli of New York with all the actors these and you get your character a girl. And there was an actor eating at a table nearby fighting with his agent because the actor wanted to ad-lib his interview and the Agents screamed at him you'd be mad to Thursday. So that's the anecdote of where the name Madlibs cuz that's where the name came from. This is the greatest story of the world. Yes. Wake up Jackie. This is a make sure you're not wrong. I can't sit still but you're not wrong. That's okay. You'll have to sit still. This is a madlib right? No wrong tablet. This will go up on the page YouTube and people can watch me fidget if they have that dream, but I will say that so you'd be mad to ad-lib so they said all right. It's like an ad lib, because the ad lib kind of story but it's it's bad cuz who heard of a naked knows that's crazy right in the vernacular of the time mad was like wacky crazy ill or whatever song. what kids say today but it was it was the perfect it was it was like lady Fortune just landed right in the middle of their eggs benedict which was funny enough exactly what they were eating right? So why do dogs were having eggs? Benedict? I did a deep dive. So what else did you learn? Did you learn what they were wearing? Why were the why do they show me? Nice? Perfect at Sardi's? It's summer. I do not like eggs. Benedict though. People are either eggs benedict or they're not eggs. Benedict. I don't care for it. I think it's too rich, but I do love a poached egg. Thank you. Yeah, I don't know you're wearing a is that an Egg McMuffin shirt or just a muffin shirt? Flip Madigan's ask me cryptically on Twitter what my favorite dog crap food was from a fast food restaurant. And I said the sausage and egg McMuffin from McDonald's and I received this in the mail in an effort to keep herself sane wage. And it also a gift card to McDonald's. I was like no. No, you don't encourage this. Would you give someone a $50 gift card to Taco Bell? That's a hundred million. In fact, I would like to waive the $20 that you're paying me for this episode in lieu of that gift card to McDonald's. I'll send it my way. Okay. Well step forward go pay it forward was McDonald's you're you're guilty choice of fast food Choice, it's Taco Bell. Oh, no, actually. Oh you want to talk about guilty. It's Chick-fil-A, and that is a birthday. Guilty guilty pleasure political ramifications. I mean it is guilty as in like I am I'm eating away other gay people's freedom what everybody I mean were in there and I tell my wife is yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't enjoy a fried chicken sandwich though. I love chicken. So I grew up in a hateful Little Texas town that had a Chick-fil-A installed when I was in the eighth grade and when it came to our mall, they gave up free samples and there wasn't hate in the chicken back then or I didn't know of it. So they took these phone calls keep it to yourself. Keep your weird it just let me by my crummy. Yeah. Yeah and you'd walk in them on they'd be like, here's some chicken on a stick like oh that's good chicken on a stick and they hooked us with his dog on a stick. And then now as an adult there is literally one eight blocks from my house. And when I'm you know in here, you know plugging away at all. My little shows that I do all day long, and I'm busy busy busy and log My wife's away scouting all day and I'm alone at my own devices and it's a choice between not eating or like on a trip. I know sometimes I make the wrong choice and there's Chick-fil-A in our trash at the end of the night and you like to know eating away Catholic bad against guilty Choice cuz it's gross. I would love to know I would very much like to know the survey's authors who write see that I can't judge. I can't judge. I just ate a gay person's Freedom, right and the Ashcraft my fella Taco Bell and I'm like respects of that object that I McDonald's is I mean at the thing is is politically there's no way McDonald's has not the devil, right? There's no way they're not doing it right on the money down to keep be horrible. So it's all terrible. Yeah, but it's all it's all the brick of salt that I wish to eat. So yeah. Yeah matter of fact yesterday went through the birth. I threw in Lindsay California Central Valley Devin Nunez country all all the signs of the world about this Dirtbag and then but got myself a large iced coffee, which you gotta tell them three times. No liquid sugar. Otherwise, it's just automatic liquid sugar. And that was a competition they call it they call it liquid sugar and then as like, I mean, no Kramers a good sugar if I'm getting coffee from McDonald's. It's just going to be coffee. And so Again, I'm going to let us go back to Mad Libs. Okay? Okay. So what other what other what else did you learn in the Deep. So I show how they got popular package was the Steve Allen Show at the time. So now I believe was it Leonard or Rodger that was working for one of them. Got a job. Oh man. I think it was I think it was Leonard Leonard Stern got a job working for the Steve Allen Show as the head writer. And since they're they're publishing deal wasn't going anywhere. He said what if we start reducing the guests madlib style where we let the audience fill in the blank for the adjectives. And so Bob Hope suddenly became the Sid elating Bob Hope and then one thing led to another and now the books sold 14000 copies and then Mad Libs is Off to the Races and now millions and millions of copies have been sold. There's been you know home Mad Libs the beach. There's been Family Guy Mad Libs Star Wars Mad Libs. And of course, there's there's dirty. We used to play Madlibs when I was a kid my stepmother initially put so much effort into raising us and then eventually it turned to Mad Libs. She was just like why don't you just work on this remember what an adjective is and we're like no and she's like well then let us remind you and suck. So do you have a Mad Libs? I'm sure you have it handy in your brain. I would like to come up with stack of them. Yeah, I would like to know is there something that's in every madlipz? Is there does there have to be a proper noun? Does there have to be an adjective and adverb and No, I mean ideally I mean there's there's going to be there's going to be or what are don't think I mean the thing is is are are there are some other War I should probably just let you run with this what would because so far your stories have literally put me away. I've been like Steve Allen the audience scintillating Bob Hope. Yes, please and well The more I've written them the more I found that there are funnier formulas for Mad Libs than other cuz the formula madlib it's funny in itself. Okay, you write a story and you just leave out the parts of speech. So if I just write a sentence and leave out the part like a couple of parts of speech like like a noun and a verb, you know, the brown dog jumped over the fence off. So the blank dog jumped over the blank you feel that in not knowing what's going into the story with an adjective and a noun. So what you do the blank blank table The blank dog jumped over the blank, right? But what if you got rid of jumped a dog to what if it was all just it's too much. I've tried that. Okay, because then not knowing what the person's going to say off. I can't try to I can't try to micromanage. My my Mad Lib participant. Oh, my best job is to leave them enough Clues to wear whatever they say. They will be a punchline. Okay, cuz my job is to think in terms of its a trust fall of punchlines. Yes. I love that. I'm leaving enough Clues to where and sometimes not knowing that sometimes this will not work out like like in a stand-up set when you know, if one joke gets not laugh. Yeah, you go on to the next one and hope that it's a big one. Yeah. You don't go shit. My ACT is ruined or let's keep let's keep working on this one. No next show next show next week. It's the next one. It's the next line cuz sometimes we'll go three lines in, Georgia. And the person just happened to give me the perfect lines for those stories, right? You know, I'm sitting in the bath with a glass of wine, you know painting my toes, it's Louis Welsh it I wanted them to be sitting in a bath with a glass of blood right, you know painting their spleen but you know, I don't get to choose right but somewhere in that mass of they're going to they're going to say something that surprises me and that's where the punchline comes from. And that's where these guys came up with the formula. It's like it's when you leave out it's leaving out the right words, you know, I'm looking the right adjectives. I find that I don't use a lot of adverbs in mind but every once awhile, I do I don't know. It depends on Whose story it is what we're talking about Debbie Gutierrez. Yep, cuz right now I'm writing my Mad Libs for each specific guest. So I try to take more earlier Monday is going back that people can just listen to like wage. Yeah, these go back to basically. End of March. Okay, when quarantine started this is one of the first things that I started doing to keep me happy. Yeah. Yeah, so and and they if I remember correctly when we did it it was a half an hour. So they're just half and I cut it down to six minutes. It's 6minutes God. So people can listen to the podcast. Yeah, you could binge this whole thing and and that day. Yeah, and that's why the podcast has I started the podcast because I noticed that the reason that I cut it down was when you do a madlib with somebody there's so much time that goes into thinking and so much time as like, yeah, that's right. I had to cut all that out. Okay, that's that's the stuff that nobody wants to listen to people want to hear the answer and you have you have to keep in the beginning for the matter to be funny. You have to hear you know, what? What was the adjectives? OK the punchline to be funny later right for it to be inserted into the story. So there's two parts to the Mad Lib for to make it funny explain that again. I'm so sorry. So in a madlib I have to there's the set-up basically is me asking you for the parts of speech that are missing from a story. I'm going to show you. This is Jay Chris Newburgh. Okay. I'm going to hold it up on the screen. So here's the story dust hits. Yeah, and so all the parts of speech that are missing the first part of the stories I have to go and I just asked him for each of those parts of Palm Beach within that order without telling him you just hold of the title and then you didn't you don't read it either selling the title. You don't need I don't tell him the title at all. No, okay. I just asked him for the parts of speech and well, we'll have a nice conversation. I'm going to learn a lot about him and I'm going to ask him for these parts of speech kind of out of the blue just like Leonard and Rodger boss. He asking for an adjective, right? He didn't know he needed an adjective for a nose. Right? Right, right. And so like the first one is this James Chris Newburgh has produced some of the adjectives ending in full-time. Okay, you know so this is cuz this is Jake Chris's new Brooks Greatest Hits. The story is supposed to be like like a Time Life classic, you know, you heard that smooth sounds of the seventies. Okay. It's supposed to be a story that's going to read off that right? That's how it was. It was written to be kind of a sound alike to that but about the angriest. Right. That's right. Yeah, so that's yeah so or if he says the biggest or if he says the smelliest or if he says the shittiest, right? You're right. These are the crummiest off of Our Lives or whatever. Right? Right. Okay, so after good start so then so the first part is when people hear the word and they start your brain starts wondering where will this fit into the story? What is the story? What is this song? So then you get the payoff when you hear the story later. So why mad Mondays had to be so short was because there can't be that long between the setup and the payoff right folks had a shorter format Mondays phrasing. I want the podcast to be so long is because I get to know the guests so well over this period of time that I want to extend the interview, so I want both suck my cake and I want to eat it too. Right because what you can do is you can tell a story about the things that he loves and then also, you know, so in in the are you sure Scheme for the word than asking for a story about about a great live show that he saw or what makes a Grace. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. That's so it's kind of like on hot ones with the chicken wing eating show how while they're eating the chicken wings there because your brain is engaged with one thing while you're being asked another you get I think you get more honest answers or at least you're off your brains not constantly thinking of one thing, right? Yeah, right, right, you're distracted. I am offended. I've never been asked to be on Holland. I would love to see you on hot ones. How are you with spicy foods? I've okay. Here's my theory a spicy foods is that I want that spice to just add to the flavor. I just I don't need it to be I don't need it to set my truck on fire. So but I love chicken. And so what I would like to do is for it to enhance the flavor of the chicken, maybe they have really good hot hot sauce or is it just this is the hottest thing in the world. I'm going to essentially put peony on top of this chicken wing. I want to watch you find out I would really enjoy to would like to try that I have available a turns out. I don't think that I would make it past three before I would have down and have to go home. Well, maybe I could do it on the toilet. I think they should offer that. I know they offer vegan options. So perhaps they could offer something for the weak stomach. Oh interesting. It's interesting that they offer vegan options there. Like they must have wanted someone to be on and they're like, oh I'd love it. But I'm vegan and you're like, they have a few people that have done the week vegan wings and they also have I know they have oatmeal cuz I worried about like what if cuz you always picture yourself in that seat. So I'm like what cuz I would have to have milk, but I'm also lactose intolerant and so while my stomach is being destroyed, I'd like to not also have a language. Intolerant moment but they were like, you know, I saw someone using oatmeal come like okay so I could I could still die differently, right? I could still be on your weird popular show which is the class. You know, I want to be on all the weird popular shows even though I wouldn't have thought of that show as like cuz know right like I don't know how I would I don't drink so how would I be a Drunk History Month? But why don't you figure something else out? Why don't you I wanted to do that back when I drank. Yeah, I mean, but my wife had a good point, she's like, I think you would have been the one that like you wouldn't want to watch when it's over. I'm like, I'm like really a story about this Bible thing. And then I throw things like yeah, there has to be another way too emotionally conflicted me off that. I have to think about the greatest stories of history or whatever. It was like tell us about the Library of Alexandria and and also draw this puppy dog. So or when I mean that's what mad libs is though is that you're doing one thing and not knowing just now trying to bring back to us. It's a terrible segue. Let's just get back into it. Cuz here's my here's what I'd like you to do Define a noun like I want us to just for just as a nice refresher course for the people listening. Let us Define the words that are you are often asked. Okay, A noun is a person place or thing and now trips people up the most because it says literally anything in there are a lot of them in a typical madlib because on the spot a noun be anything and and people typically look around the room and down as a door. It is a table. It's a person it is a celebrity. It is a cat as a dog. It's the ceiling it is the floor and now it has everything right down to Big. Yeah, too many choices makes it's hard for people to chew write a plural noun is multiple nouns, right? That's like that's that now you're talking about shirts building waitresses building right? Astronaut Biba's. Yeah. Yes, and then the better the more creative the answer the better the Mad Libs game that read write the weirder you can go it's sort of like I was at an improv show once and they asked for suggestions and the problem sometimes with improv shows is that they yelled the same thing. All the time so I would imagine that is the same problem in Mad Libs such. So try to try to think of your person place or thing proper noun or or regular noun. Try to make it interesting that's chewed recommend or we're at my I do have family madlib with my my parents and my brother every week and on Sundays cuz we do a family zoom and I notice that it helped my family a want to be there and it keeps us all happy. So and now they code like I did it for the like the beginning of pandemic and then one week I didn't have one poem written specifically for that week and they said we got a madlib this week. And so I just grabbed one from my that I was going to do with my next week's guest and I just used it as a fill-in but I realized it is now being expected each week that right family family madlib time, right? But my mom started we didn't realize at first but she started like looking up a list of adjectives on the internet at home. Suddenly got better cuz like cuz I go in order the scream like okay Mom. I need adjectives and she was like medicated. I was like, oh that's such a good adjectives. Medicaid is a great one and it read so well in the stage and everybody was like where did it come from? She was like I have a list mom's winning at Mad Libs and it's you know, it's not like a winner lose thing but yet but it's neatly appreciated that sort of that sort of work that is amazing. So to fight an adjective an adjective describes a noun. Okay. So medical so dedicated would describe a person or a cat right or or situation or situation? Okay. All right. How about an adverb? An adverb describes a verb. I always wanted to visit actually wordings a verb is an action usually ending in l y. Yes, and that's how it's the best way to remember an adverb. It usually ends in m y and off the top of my head because I'm on the spot. I can't think of an adverb that doesn't end in l y, okay and a verb to find a verb again. I'm sorry action were actually does an action word. That's right. So and then there are verbs that end in ing sample me some verbs black hump Run Okay swim. Okay. Skip bake so the idg is an action verb. And and running. Yeah, but I always just put for the sake of my guests and so we don't have to go into it cuz I just say a verb ending in ing. Yes. Yeah, or like I always say verb ending in s wage. Yeah, and then past tense verb would be forbidding an e d r a. Okay. So yeah climb, but yeah, that would be an action action verb you climbed or the page. Yeah. Hi. I'm over here thinking it's a real clock eater Rangers you get it. Okay. So now negative verb adverb. What's what am I missing? What are the other kinds of things go off? Okay. So the good years then you have some fillers that I enjoyed that make for really fun Mad Lib banter family members. I enjoy those a lot magazine titled family family types like brother sister cousin or go. Let's fun with that. But it leaves it open to my uncle Bertha or my I'm sorry my own spin sure. I know Aunt beru off. People magazine title so they okay. Yeah. Yeah, when you leave them kind of kind of vague like that the story it's anything that can change the story on. It's like like turn it on a dime. You know, I want to like like a website. I put those in sometime, you know, I can get a lot of useful information about this subject at our website right like when my ways magazine cuz websites so broad choice. Yeah magazines. It could be it could be you know Trout Farm monthly or whatever and sure. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to say one. Okay. Yeah how far monthly wage would be tremendous in any madlib body part is is a I remember that one. That's always a good one. But also on that one. I always find that people tend to stay the same ones. I get a lot of elbows. Yeah, that's enough. They're pointing. The elbow is dead body parts. So people you could say internal organs to write obviously cuz it's part of the body you could go in and go out. I'm always like I'm always excited when I hear butt cheeks or like like I don't I'm I'm juvenile so balls butt cheeks like anything that would make me laugh all your all your parts. Are you driving all the private privates make me laugh really sure spleen to be nice. Nice. Nice spleens are nice intestinal tract that sort of jail would be lovely sure left. Kidney. Yeah, Jimmy. Give me a kidney sometimes off. Yeah, and then I I like to leave in this has been a reoccurring it helps like either an exclamation a phrase or a quote dead. Somewhere in there and it's usually near the end to wrap it up and it's a it kind of oh, I leave a lot. I leave a lot banking on that to deliver. So if it doesn't seem kind of being so one is like a quote are you saying so give me a quote and and then someone might say Give me liberty or give me death. Is that coming off? Okay. Yeah, my brother's I had him on the show and he's he's been on before and he was one of the the highest rated episodes that he's not a comedian or anybody. I mean, he is my brother. He's very very important to me. But I think the reason his did so was cuz we had such a chemistry and so I talked about being preachers kids cuz we're both preachers kids and I in the department store that we were at was I asked him for a movie quote and I said that we can't sit next to each other in church, cuz we make each other laugh. I said one time during a family funeral he leaned over to me and whispered and that was a part the movie quote was well the movie quote suck. Shows was from Ace Ventura to excuse me. Your balls are showing. And I had trouble reading so hard. Yes, so if somebody is but if yeah, so the better, you know the know the people with your badge, of course, it is the funnier and then I'll ask him make me laugh more I like is it easier to write them for people you know better or is it harder? I think with the new podcast at least you're given a topic. That well, here's the thing with the new podcast. I'm sending the the guest I asked them name three things that you would consider yourself an expert on and that way I get to choose between three things. Okay to make the podcast topic on okay to say, you know, what do I want to know more about what I want to go deeper on and basically, what do I want to write them a little better or fill in the blanks story? Cuz I don't know if we're going to do with copyright infringement. So we're going to start calling them fill in the blank stories. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, who knows but I I've found that it's easier with someone. I don't know cuz like my wife been on twice now and I always want to do something that's personal, you know, right and then I'm like, what's to personal life? Yeah, but with a guest you're just like, okay, it's superficial. It's like what's something that's kind of about them, you know, it's it's fairly simple to kind of boil down a comedian into like, you know dead. Not a category, but for a madlib, you know, you could do one on me in like one of five things, you know, and that there's you're mad lib, right, you know, right so when it's like someone that you care about I can't remember what was wrong books and reading all that you're an Avid Reader. It's one of the you know, Millions facets about you. I I listen to I think two of your albums the day before we did ours just to see, you know to get to know you a little bit better wage and one of the things that you talked about a few times through albums was how much you love to read write and so I just picked that out and I did yours was a book review. It was a book review. That's right. I remember it was super fun. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, there's always those individual ones family members magazines websites body part. What are they still making them? I believe they are because I got I got one gifted to me. Just I mean probably a year ago that I'm I'm I've still got um put to the side I take him with me on vacations and stuff. So they're still published through penguin round random house because Stern price and I'm not sure what it was Stern price and something that they originally published with they both died. Anyway, they'd sold to penguin penguin. Random House is who publishes them now, but they still they do you think they sold published because I think that that that's a cash cow. Make sure they did pretty sure they go that's a that's a classic stand-up comic the people aren't going to like these forever. It turns out they're going to be like forever. So it's a formula it's just such a great formula. Yeah, you know, yeah, so it's hard is it off? What are the ones that you have that are sitting next to you that are themed that do you cuz I've got a stack of them. I mean, they're like Curious Sultana which is guide to homeschooling new King Kong BLM discovers a new strain of cannabis comedy tips from Barbara holiday. Okay, that one never aired off that was hard. My family is my family's family vacation a letter from Kristen and Molly when I did with my wife, okay, my brother's have An Insider's Guide to preachers kids tips for proposing marriage from Michael Somerville another one for my family Mad Libs The Secret Life of our Granddad Port right there, but I remember going like Nancy my stepmother would occasionally buy a new one and she was a big fan by the way off of never feeling in the actual we couldn't use the Yahtzee paper, and we couldn't write on the Mad Libs. Just in case we wanted to play him again. Yeah, I we took a we would take boat trips. I've got we so. We would take this back when I used to drink I would go on this this sailboat trip with a bunch of friends of ours over Labor Day on this 40 foot sailboat that used to be Spencer Tracy's an object or not. Sure. What body of water it's off the coast of California. So the Pacific Ocean and we would sail to Catalina what I just did it. I did it for us with Lisa Correa bumper boats, and she learned how to sail she grew up. Okay. I'm going to digress but I need to hear about this boat. Okay. She she grew up in Indiana on a small freshwater lake and her parents on the marina. And so she grew up draw driving motor boats and and loves boats like that. She moved to Los Angeles. She went to learn how to sail. She there's something called a nice chat or meet up or something and she joined essentially a sailing group of women sailing group and to learn how to sail she just screwed four people for a year and it took her a year and Half she was so interested in the boats to realize that it was an entirely group of women who were lesbians and of course and of course, well not and she didn't think she was just at a party with them about a year-and-half in and one of the women sat on her lap and started trying to make out with her which feels slightly harassing. You might want to ask but mean a dog did it you think it was so cute. Yes, and unless you hate unless you wanted a dog said you'd be like right unless you're a cat person, I guess anyway 40-foot Spencer Tracy bout. Yes, so and I'll try back in the middle of the switch. Okay. So yeah, so we we we go on these this boat trip every I stopped going a few years ago. It's a little busy for me now, but and the history of the boats pretty great to Spencer Tracy owned it with Audrey Hepburn and Audrey Hepburn think. Katherine Hepburn who he had an affair with Katharine birth. Okay, right, right. One of the Hepburn. Yeah, that's the part of the story of fuzzy not his way. That's the sad part. So right Catholic that's sold someone's lawyer ended up with it. There was a very very messy divorce. My friend Captain Mike's family ended up with a boat because during a divorce someone did not want their spouse to have it so they sold it to my friend Captain Mike's family. His father ended up getting the boat Dirt Cheap because of a spite divorced fight. So it's been in Captain and so Captain Mike's family ended up learning about both learning to sail and some friends of mine figuring out of pocket figuring out how to pay for those docking fees all of that. And now it's it's it became their family business because they ended up with this this sailboat this beautiful beautiful song and now it's is that what it is now? Yes. Okay now sits in the San Pedro Harbour, it's gorgeous and twenty some-odd years ago. Purdue Frat Boys, which are friends of mine started doing this Labor day trip every year called, you know the cat Alita booze cruise or whatever. I'm not sure what they called it, but that's right off if actively would be mad at me. I think that we ended up calling with the Catalina wine mixer some years some years. It was the calculus Strikes Back Kelly-Ann All Stars, whatever Madlibs became a big part of this trip because my friend and brought him one year to do on the deck while we were day drinking and I became it became something I felt it keep with it. I ended up the keyboard it brought back from childhood for me. But yes, it was the it re Resurgence of my love of Mad Libs because then I would, you know at the end of the trip I hung onto my mom would bring him back every year and so I would re-read the reading of last year's maybe laugh just as hard as they did last year and we would reduce some and so when he said, you know, do you fill them out in the in the word slots? It was kind of an argument of should we or shouldn't we and I don't care. And so I would yeah, you know, yeah, and then it's so that I could re-read the story from last year and you're looking into copies. It's fancy Madlibs time real free and now it's like to get off we I mean we're grown-ups. I have so many Mad Libs and I still have the original Mad Libs that we did, you know, ten years ago, whoever Innovative and write down who played him. We know who played them basically by how dirty they are and whose body part got mentioned because they're so Juvenile and they're so dirty and I really enjoyed that about them so much off. But yeah, yeah. That is awesome. Yeah. First of all, I'm after we finish talking about this. I'm going to need to know about that sailboat Charter cuz I love thoughts. Oh, okay. I'll I'll hook you up with Captain Mike. There we go. And then other than that so it do you know other people who do I ask who are the greatest authors going now of Mad Libs, you know who's writing them. Do you know now who's creating them? I don't know something I could not I could not get because Molly and I looked into this talking about putting together a show and we were trying to pin down anybody that had anything to do with the Mad Lib company. They Mad Lib Nick the IP if you're going to make a show and if we wouldn't even partner with that too, yeah. Yeah put something together. And so we're we're we found remember that Pictionary is behind madlib right now. Yeah fiction. Arey game show. They just called it Draw Something. It was a burton bird production and often convey and Bert. Reynoldsburg somebody so yeah, but Reynolds that sounds familiar kind of been Burt Reynolds. I forget who the other Bert was and they burnt burnt production but I will say this is that I I think it'd be a really fun sort of interview kind of reality kind of show where you could book and it you know, you'd be like, these are I'm just going to essentially like what you're doing with this podcast. I think that that this podcast has a great potential to also be a great show. So what Who makes so we've decided that that coming up with weird adjectives and the weird nouns and sort of stretching. When when when you when when someone has asked you to give them an adjective or try to stretch, you know, try to really think Of a weird script creative the better. Yeah, and it's like creative not necessarily obscure. And I think there's a difference between cuz like really really obscure sometimes don't play but created of definitely does really yeah. So yeah, how would one know that like, how do you tell the difference? because obscure does feel a little creative it is well like Like if it's if if someone uses words that aren't commonly used right that would be a difficult read. Okay, cuz the audience won't under so if it's if so, it's keeping with like a month. It's going to flow. Well, right so the word can be creative and even even from time to time sprinkle in a more unused word. That's fine. But at the entire thing is over over our heads, right it yes, very very smart. But the Mad Lib will will fall flat the band level fall flat. It's you said I would say I would posit that's right a fancy word right thar pause it I would posit that somewhere between the juvenile T of poop and poop talk and the eklektik. I'm going to pick a word from Shakespeare and the sonnets you fuckers. It's not even going to be one of the one of the yeah not going to be one of those hits It's comedy. It's it's why it's it's it really is. It's Comedy writing at its bare-bones. It's somewhere between poop and pee and Boo b humor which is still funny and highbrow well-written. What is a good sentence what what, you know the words that are funny what makes it funny words. So if and like I've had some great comedic guests on that that find that like Debra digiovanni found a like she's just a great comedian writes, like people that you know, when you go you watch their stand-up acts and you go man, they could read me the phone book. Yeah. Those are the people that give me a great Mad Libs. Yeah, because they will find a funny word and they'll plug it in and it's going to it's going to hit the sentence, you know, if I asked three nouns in a row, they're going to be a funny now, he's funny now and they're going to give me the punchline noun like somehow though. They're going to they're going to pull it off in the end. You know, that is so great. I think that that is dead. But that's so true. I literally you talking I was like what other Comics would be great. I bet you cuz I've had several people on the door for us to talk about I just did one yesterday with Bill Dwyer about crossword. Yeah, Bill Dwyer loves a crossword puzzle loves the sodoku and and so he might be really gone. Yeah, you should have him he'd be great to put off the list put it on the list and I'm sure and once the list begins it's always it always becomes longer than your arm because that's good. That's good. Yeah, and it's awful and sometimes it's just fun to get fans who who get where that sweet spot is, you know, I've had several fans out of the door for us that are some of the greatest episodes too so long. It's such a fun idea to to try to hit that sweet spot between those cuz and and and the fact that it has that comedy writing beginning. Those guys did they both write for? The Honeymooners are just think so. I'm not sure Rodger Price is Right. I know he was a writer as well, but I don't know his writing background except for that. He was Walking Dead when Leonard stern was scripting a honeymoon or script and looking for an adjective. So I'm assuming I'm assuming that they were they were writing near each other. Right? So the same was he the one that came up with Drew, which was also a game show. Was it strudels? Is it a sales was this? It was like, yeah, it was like, okay. Rodger price was he was American humorist. I agree the turtles. Yeah. Okay and rules. Yeah. It was a it was a it was a cartoon feature where basically there was a drawing off and you great and now there's a An air compressor going off outside my house anyway, and so it's like someone would draw a picture and and then people would caption it and it was so so funny. Right, right. That is still a big tennis out there. Like do you like other games? Do you like other games like that? Orli games. Oh you just like games in general. I do like games. Yeah. Yeah, my wife and I play lots and lots of games are they mostly word based or should we play somewhere play word games? We play a lot of dice games, but we we perhaps you and your wife likes play craps Oracle. We play sport as far go crack. No, no. No, it's not but I do I used to play craps. I lived two separate lives one pre sobriety one poster pressure. So pretty sobriety. I made a lot of weird decisions, but I often find myself often at a craps table blind stinking drunk doing very well. So I thought then you would wake up without $300 weird. Sometimes we'll also sometimes you can loads of money that I would never make it home. Yeah. Yeah. What Yeah, so but like there's cuz Bill was talking about crossword puzzles sodoku and then we were talking about that page the green Pages or in the in the newspaper Choice be a page of puzzles and a page of games. Did you ever play any of those sort of the there was the word bubble game when I was on the road a lot. I would do the crossword and I remember I used to work with a comedian named Alicia wood. And the two of us would would do crosswords together. We we were we did a lot of in my early twenties to a lot of Road gigs, but we would do the puzzle section together ice and we would kind of heckle each other with crossword clues if we were if it was a really bad gift. Oh just sort of yellow. I mean that's that's hilarious. Yeah, that's hurting each other said, yeah, the answer is emu. So now it's like and when I woke Quarantine on the military base in early March after by a cruise ship quarantine that led to a military base quarantine. What? Oh, okay, so this so let's read by the way. I'm not talking to Kristen key. We are in Provo cast. We only have like 10 more minutes. So I just thought I would get sort of we seem to have filled in all the blanks on the Mad Libs things so she could see what I did the Christian key k r i s t i n k e y very funny find the album's find the company and so you were doing stand-up on a cruise ship. I was I was on the Grand Princess the ship that made the ship of news the one that made all the the headlines for kind of starting this this phase of our our pandemic wage. We were off the coast of San Francisco, and we ended up with with the Corona and so I was quarantined on the ship and then my quarantine God got moved to a Military Base outside of San Francisco. I don't I remember cruise ships being quarantined. I don't remember that one is was that sort of the first big one? That was a lot of people had it it was it was the one that we were we were a new cycle for four or five days. We were the new cycle and and there was the one with the president came on the news and said if it were up to me, I'd leave him out there always my numbers don't go up. No never misses a chance to be a shitbag. Anyway, so what I bring this up, Cuz someone sent me a Rubik's Cube while I was in quarantine. And so that became the puzzle that I kind of got into and and so I I learned to solve the Rubik's Cube and then one sent me a mirror Rubik's Cube recently. And so I became a migraine in itself but solve that and then so that that's been a fun little I need to know this though and there's a personal question to married. Feel free not to answer though. You've told us about your sobriety. What did you have the corona night the covid-19 never well, I don't think so. I was tested on the military base. But I was young they never gave me my test back. Oh, they would have if you had it probably told that we we were told we would be getting our test results back, but then we were tested and then we were all just released. It was very very poorly managed interesting. I'm still upset by that. Yeah. So you were on your on the ship until the beginning of March you had to stay on the ship an extra an extra week or so long. And then they moved you to some military base in the middle of California for how long yes fourteen days another 14 days. And yeah, did you what would imagine quarantine means you had your own little cinderblock room room. I had a little room. It was like a Radisson. So I was very very I mean it was like being on the road for me. I would say used to it. Yeah, I could and I could Amazon Prime. So once I put out the word I can get Amazon Prime all of my friends and family were like, what do you need? And I was like, I'd like a better blanket. I'd like a better pillow. I'd like this this this this and then all of a sudden, you know, I've got sixty boxes with puzzles, which I love puzzles. Yep. I have puzzles a Rubik's Cube iBooks. I had some rain. Well so friends and family. I broached the occasional bearing here. Absolutely. Absolutely that is amazing. For some reason when you said amazone Prime. I thought you meant Prime video and I was like great. What did they tell you what to watch off? There's a really good show called Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries out of Australia suspicious. Yeah, this is Fisher mystery is a great great and I have the books home. She's wonderful. I think I have a little crush on her me too. Me too. And how does she get her hair? So straight right. I believe professionals were involved. And so I thought it was a wig for a while, but I think it's real life. May I recommend all four seasons three or four seasons of that show and not the movie don't do it. Don't do the movie. I won't do it for the friends that I like so much. She's... Sorry bout your personal and the maid yeah. Yeah. Sure girl. Yeah and wonderful, right and then now I'm watching something Endeavor Jack very hands. Okay. Did you see the summer off topic? Did you see the new Perry Mason? I tried it was too dark. It was not Perry Mason enough proprietary base. It was too much like the book and guess what? I don't need at a time of staying at home. Something that's super creepy. We watch The Watchmen and that was much and quite honestly, what I watched was the first episode of The Watchmen the second episode of The Watchmen from the outdoor doing this and then asking Andy afterwards what happened and then the learning about you episodes didn't watch him at all and he just told me about him last two episodes again me passing through the room. And then me reading all the synopses. So I wanted to Harry Perry Mason was a big one for me cuz I watched every episode of the original while my mom ironed as a child birth. And so I was like, I gotta see this to see if my mom would like it and then you know the show begins like well, that's not good money on the bar with a fucking baby dies. I'm like Oh, my mom's going to hate this, you know, and I just kept watching and I'm like, oh my God, there's a naked man like Oh, that's oh you can see his weiner. Mom's going to hate that. Yeah. And so then of course I caught I called her like you have got to watch off. You're going to hate it until you love that get you it's like is it is it like The Originals like not at all and there's so many swears a little bit of nudity but really suck the store. She's going to hate it, but they get that baby back. They find that baby. The take the baby was dead in the first episode that baby in the first episode that was like and it looked real sad and all the wrong ways. I was like you guys just cuz you could make something look real. I want to say this to you don't have to you don't have to I'm good, but so did settle eyes open. Yeah. That was yeah that was there was immediately when I was like, okay, I'm going to keep watching Mom Mom won't be able it and there's a hint no Rangers out there who don't want any part of this. Go ahead. If you can be if you can make it through episode one like like 5 minutes in your good for the whole thing cuz it's kind of like like bad as it gets. It's kind of like we you know, it's I think it's just it's just the tone you could you're walking and it's kind of like the last Star Wars movie how the crawl if you sit through the crawl your boss. I accept this movie as is and if you're like, no, that's no no. No, this is how dare they then you walk out, you know, and so it's like if you can make it through that then you're like, I accept that there will be more jobs more corpses and some I have to say that I I know maybe the first season of Discovery Star Trek Discovery thinking this is more Star Wars than Star Trek. I do not approve of this song. This is not Star Trek enough. This is not Star Trek enough and then last episode I was like, oh they turned it into Star Trek and the next season which I'm almost done with right now in the in the night and the third season starts this month, but the next season is so Star Trek. It's the best Matter of fact security Star Trek last night where you were like, yeah, you're having some fields and you're eating up the clock here. Please stop the thing. Stop the thing you're having feet across the fields are eating up eating up the know but that's classic Star Trek original Star Trek next Trek Deep Space, Nine and Voyager all of them. It's too long. I'll go there. Yeah, but it's just a second. So if you can make it through the first season, you will love it. I love the second season. Okay. Okay. The first season is real action packed, but it's real Star Wars e So I'll climb on board. Yeah. Yeah. All right, I'll put that on my must this is weighted off ladies and gentlemen to me talking to Christie key of a television, but we have discussed for a good solid 50 minutes Madlibs, which I didn't know that we could do that. I didn't know he could do that. I didn't know we could do it. So ladies and gentlemen, you've chosen wisely Kristen Ki izzat off Christian key k r i s t i and in on the Instagram and Twitter and two podcastone called mad Mondays that are six minutes each which you can listen to all of them. She's been doing them since March in a day probably and mad Mondays and then the new one called fill in the blank. So thank you so much for being on the show Christian. Thanks, Jackie and Rangers, you know the rules out there take care of each other. My hat my hat my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat my hat my hat. Well, what do you think that if it looks like a Mexican hat dance and it sounds like a Mexican Hat Dance. It's most likely a Mexican hat. So take off your head and let's dance. Why don't we just call that as the end of the show?

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Jenny Yang and I talk DISCOVERED Comfort Food   EP 581

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Jenny Yang and I talk DISCOVERED Comfort Food EP 581

"Welcome to the Dork Forest Jaclyn miles whenever Boris Shameless confessions about our obsession with sponge laugh and smile. So let's explore the Dork forest and dorm down for awhile. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian you talk about to listen to The Dark Forest. Let's give you the info about it. First of all, you know, the websites Dark Forest, the Dark Forest, if you like a determiner, Jackie Cason has everything off my podcasts including videos of my stand up my stand-up schedule merchandise, you can purchase if you would like and a lot more info than you possibly even need wage. Let's do the credits my Rick Burke sang and produced and composed that song at the beginning of the show he sang with his wife's here. It's very beautiful at the end of the program he sings this song. Is version of The Mexican Hat Dance? That's my great Berg vilmos fix. This Jackie Cason. Com has the web designer over there and Patrick Brady fixes the audio. And in this case took a video intro very exciting. 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Kashian, There is an Amazon link and the Amazon link just takes you to Amazon your order like normal and it supports the show cuz you suck Jackie kashipur door for Us. Com. Very exciting. Other than that though. There are there is a band camp you can if you have listened to all the episodes that are free and you need more content with our several live episodes that are at the Dork Forest. Bandcamp.com and those cost me a couple of bucks. So I charged a couple of bucks. There's also a storytelling album there that you can listen to stories that I did live and there are 17 free episodes before the Dork forest was pre-recorded. So the audio isn't very good, but the guests were super funny and fun and dorky. So if you want to do that go to the the Dork Forest. Bandcamp.com. Other than that, let's see if there are other things that I should be talking about possibly the Birch yeah if you want to buy merch. The only other thing I want to talk about is the merch you can get dark Forest t-shirts and you can get stand-up County t-shirts. You can get my albums or my DVD over at Yankee kitchen, sure. There's pins. There's a challenge coin. There's a bunch of new things happening over there. Anyway lot of information. I think I don't think I missed anything but who cares? Let's get into the show them. Hey, it's Jackie. Kashian. I am adjacent to my garage in Van Nuys and I'm doing the Dork forest and having Jenny Yang. We've we've we've known each other for four decades former x 4 years for moments, but we've never done a podcast. So welcome to the dark Forest generic. Thank you for having me. I am so honored. The forest is thuy told me wait wait long though. It's all me. You know? Yeah. Oh, that's right. You could you should we start over you said you can hear my AC, but let me do this off and then it's actually a swamp cooler just get makes the place wet dog. It makes it feel like a dork Forest. Yeah, it makes you feel like a dark jungle and little moist the humidity is a little brutal. So but I will say this is that home super fun to have you here. You got the background the comedy Crossing background. I do we're up on this virtual background on zoom and I thought I would, you know be on brand with the latest show that I've been producing. Yeah what it makes me want to choose about virtual background to why don't I pick something from like a nice Miyazaki? Oh, that's so nice terrarium. I mean off this moist moist World a moist miyasaki if you can still see some of the things in the background. Yeah, so I put I put the show up on YouTube. So people can see exactly what we're talking about. But they're also it's podcast double which is what people are also doing very exciting. So but Jenny Yang, by the way, it's at home. Yang tje and it's right ymg to wise TV on Twitter in the in the in the in the other thing, yep to Graham and then you do a show on animal in the world of Animal Crossing yes called comedy Crossing. Yep, and Animal Crossing is a switch game a Nintendo switch game. Yep, and you have an island off I have an island that I invite people to David episode with Ron funches where he talked about his Island and about how does Island yeah. Yeah, cuz that's what it is. Right. It's sort of like a doll house where you get to see like The Sims to some extent right you get to make it all personalized and do whatever you want, which means that you would want a comedy club. Why wouldn't I why wouldn't you Jackie have a comedy club when you can conjure up, whatever type of land or room or decoration that you would like during a pandemic. You're like I literally was like I cannot access the real life places in Los Angeles that I love why not recreate them virtually on a Japanese cutesy, Hawaii Island, exactly. Meow. Meow. Meow. Do you he'll meow do you have do you know that's that's the one drawback of them are crossing is the do not have your own pets. But you do have anamorphic neighbors. Oh who are animals. They're not your pets. They're your neighbors who are residents of your Island. So you basically just your frame your eyelid. Yeah, so, okay. So yeah anthropomorphised you've anthropomorphised that that's what the animals that's what they thought. In that video game. Yeah, and and then I don't like I don't have a Nintendo switch. I have only recently dived into our PS4 and me to midnight and so the Nintendo switch but I'm still going to get to do comedy Crossing. I think this will come out before before August 1st. I think I'm doing before August 1st. Yeah. Yeah. We you know, I've figured out a way where I want to you know, just have funny people on the stand-up comedy show but you kind of need to have an a Nintendo switch in order to control your own avatar to perform. Yeah, but that's a loophole is we can Puppeteer for other people special people like you and Margaret Cho both of you are on the August 1st show. Oh, that's hilarious. And yeah, I love the fact that you're like wage. So like essentially the to go to go to the show for real. You have to have a switch and an animal crossing account and literally get in your tiny boat and go dead. Your Island know into our little Pontoon or whatever. It's called that you could fly in from your Island. And this is I can only have eight people on my Island. So I get six people who are guests and then I have two people who are you know, or or performance and make sure yeah. Yeah, and then she people who are like in audience laughers. And then what I do is I pipe that whole image of my game into a zoom meeting of five hundred people and that's how everyone watches the show does that make sense for like I have and it's five hundred people. It's not three hundred people say, you know, we've had between 150 and 500. Yes, Holy balls in a big a big ass Zoom meeting where I can see all the people who are attending like, you know, if they turn on their audio and they're dead. Yeah. Yeah. It's so fun. It feels like a real room cuz there's the risk of someone saying something. You know what I mean the risk of a Heckler I feel like that to me is what stand-up comedy is is the risk of like a cross. Sing the audience to like not say something and just appropriately react right interesting. You think the stand-up comedy is about risk. Martin has the thing about fear suffering the audience. Yep. I am just up there Cameron. I don't even I don't know what I'm how am I controlling these people? I mean the risk assessment. It's I feel like you know kilmartin saying fear and me saying risk, it's two sides of the same coin. You know what I mean? You're taking a risk by having other people in the room who can also like wage affect what you're doing by saying sounds or you know, but the the fears you have to put the fear in them that you are in control so they don't act up right that's exactly how she puts it and then took what I like about Zoom is you can just mute those people. Sometimes you're like, well that didn't Yeah by and you get kick him out. You were also removed bounced. So yeah, but my zoom account only job Maximum of three hundred people. Yeah, I paid for the premium so I could go beyond 500. Okay, the 1,000. Oh, that's interesting. I think I may have to switch my account because I have I have this thing where I can have ten hosts. Oh, but I don't need ten houses. Just know. Yeah, I need lots and lots of people who are allowed to come. That's right. So we'll see. Yeah, I'll all I know is I I was just told that I was paying way too much money and I was like, well, I've already paid off the credit card. So it's a new world order. This is what we talk about as long as now is like what our room capacity on a resume is exactly and so you have made me an avatar and someone will pop it to your me. Yep. They will hear my jokes coming from the zoom feedback. You're going to consult with your Puppeteer and it's probably going to be Amber Preston who's a very funny stand-up comedian whose great who has done this by a very podcast and yet do it again. Yeah. She's got dark gems. Yeah song Yeah, I matter of fact I think just on did I just see her Instagram thing about cookbooks. Oh know her her Instagram feed today was something about Lutheran cookbooks that her sisters Center and I'm fascinated. By the way. This is what we're working out about right food. Right, right. Yeah, we are. Yes, I am into it great segue Jackie. You're a pro-choice directly. That's right weren't that's what it is. It's it's it's cookbooks. And you had a food direct. Mm. Yeah, you want to take back the night. Essentially. You're like, I want to talk. I want to make all the family food that was ever fed to me and I want to fix things and and I want to know and I want to learn about the family food that other people namely mostly white people have eaten. I did not get exposed to growing up. That's why it fascinates me when I hear about these like Lutheran Church cookbooks. Usually they're from like the Mid-West or whatever like I am obsessed wage. That kind of stuff like I just want to know about it. I want to taste it going to think about I want to know the the anthropology behind it. I want to know the sociology behind it. Like was it wartime was there a surplus like of Jell-O and and and canned peaches what was happening what made with me people put gelatin and everything? Why is everything a salad Jackie O this is everything solid. Where you from Jackie I am from Wisconsin. Okay. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is your does your the right person to dork out with you would sink and you may ask but other things that we never would because the the best food we had was Armenian Armenian grandmother, but I know what love it's like I've heard of things people call things like an Oreo salad wage or it's a bag of Oreos crushed and a tub of Cool Whip mixed together and then call a salad. Why don't this month? What's so confusing? So you had good Armenian food, you know like your head because there's so much going and rice you had there's there's good work is being done with Persian cucumbers and on and you know, no onions, you know, maybe a little deal right? There's herbs there six, but I know what you mean about what you call white people food because okay. So I go to college right one of the rarest people in my family to go to college. That's right. You were yeah I was so I get there I'm staying in a it's a co-op. My brother is found me. This women's Co-op that's super cheap. And where's this what college and university of Wisconsin-Madison? Oh, oh University, Wisconsin Madison, ye adorable and so we go and I had a food like that. There was a thing that happened. Okay. So the cook it was all hippies, right? It was the took was hippie. And he made this amazing Brett. She should be fresh bread every day including like cinnamon bread. It was amazing, but she you and and there was three squares a day that you got fog. Included with your with your with your stay. Yeah small amount of chores, but you get three squares and then if you were hungry in between there was always these loaves of bread peanut butter and jelly bath and butter. Yeah, but you could just make peanut butter and jelly all the time. So with this homemade bread so one day someone I've just met at College makes something makes it piece. Atos. Were they put butter? On their toast and the belly on top of that butter have you know, it's delicious see that would blow my mind to ya know that would put my mind to Cheesecake find jelly with butter. Yeah, and I was like, what are you Rockefeller you could afford to put butter and then jelly on top of it. I'm the youngest of six you got one. You got one of them and most times no jelly just fucking butter and you know what that is also delicious but water and then jelly I recommend you try it. I've never done it. I probably second wage packet it but like that's not I feel like that's not that far away from say like a Danish with like a with like a like a fruit jam and and some kind of cream but like to me it was it blew my mind just simply to have peanut butter and jelly, so I didn't have peanut butter and jelly were their sandwiches sandwiches until the 7th grade when At the Chris in middle school was eating it over lunch and I was like, what is that and she laughed at my face? Yeah, people are going to laugh in your face when you put the thing is is cuz were you raised are your parents? Like are they traditional sort of immigrants yet? I'm an immigrant. I was born in Taiwan. Oh I am too. I moved to the Los Angeles area when I was five. My parents are all we ever get home was Chinese and Taiwanese food. My mom cooked every day for me and my two older brothers. Yep. So anything that we had that wasn't in the repertoire of Asian, yeah was exotic to it was it was like, oh my gosh in meat and rice, that was the foods right? And then we would we would make buns like we made I've made a lot of things from scratch noodles everything I renewed bonds and and thoughts of dumplings, right? Yeah all that stuff. So that that's that's your flat. That's essentially the hand sandwich of of Asian Cuisine is more of like a Hot Pocket kind of sauce. A little bit Yeah, and then and then and then just rice so much rice. So we had rice all the time. We never had potatoes. Yeah, and it's either when they were mashed potatoes. I was like, this is Josh citing But but so yeah, so you have the first time you had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich Seven Grade seventh-grade and I'm sure there was no sandwiches in your lunches. Like did you take a lunch and it was like a tupperware with rice and no. Yeah. I probably brought Chinese food now that I think about it or oh, I ate a lot of school lunch 2 and then eventually I ate like a lot of school lunch for sure. Yeah. I was like on the reduced. I got the free lunch and in high school, cuz we we could we didn't afford I couldn't afford thought it was I went home for lunch. Yeah most. Wow. I'm and yeah you you were thought that I was raised in Wisconsin during the thirties during Apple watch. And you know like in the Appalachians but no I was in a factory issue. Here's my shoe leather Sue exactly. It's rocks up again anyway, so but yeah, but so so you weren't like your mom wasn't making you a sandwich on a Saturday. No, I mean the closest thing that we ever did because if you're in Taiwan or even Japan or Korea like there are bakeries and then a lot of people will use bakeries out of convenience and they'll have these sort of like crustless triangle white bread egg salad sandwiches even potato salad sandwiches, which is kind of strange but like my dad would make me like a like a potato salad sandwich. Okay with like QP dressing wage. Yeah Q Pete what can be dressing? It's like a sweeter Tangier kind of a a Mayo okay of a it's like it's comes in a squeeze bottle. It has a cute little like baby character with them. A little like sure tuft of hair on the top. Why why it's a japanese-style mayonnaise the Japanese love a cute thing. Yeah, everything cute and and let's put a stamp on it and and and make somebody have a fun haircut. Yeah so good for them. But in the end, it's really just mayonnaise a little extra sugar and I mean probably you probably problem, you know, and I love ya know cuz I and and but there are interesting was their stuff that you would find in then you're like, oh I'm going to eat this forever. Oh my gosh my senior year of high school at the at the band parent booster club meeting. Yes, there was a potluck and I tried this concoction that was creamy and noodle with a little bit of protein and and with little in a little bit of like texture on top and I was like, what is this? This is delicious. Someone said what I was like, this is so good. What is this song? You don't know what this is. That's tuna noodle casserole. Wow. Okay. All right. Like I was like, oh my God, I am obsessed. What shows this month? So good student. So there is there is a there is a history of some cuz that is very much a 1970s. Very great sort of Western European immigrant American Whitey Magoo. This is we're having cuz we would have these tuna casseroles. It was a tuna noodle casserole. It was hot. Did you ever cold or hot hot? That's it. And then and then my stepmother would crush potato chips like Lay's potato chips right right home and it was horrible. You hated it. Well, my stepmother hated cooking. So there were three things. She was really good at cooking. Yeah, maybe Haven't had a good tuna noodle casserole. Okay, it's canned tuna fish. Yep. It's just a bag of macaroni noodles. Bring it together. She used to make a very good fake lasagna, which I really liked fake lasagnas where you take macaroni noodles. Yeah, and you just may come you take lasagna noodles just a couple of them and she makes like a rabbit jar of marinara sauce. Yeah cheese ground beef all with the noodles like a hamburger noodle salad right noodle casserole now telling everything to salad Shack in midwestern to see the casseroles or salads and then on top of it you put one sheet of lasagna. So it looks like lasagna it is brilliant and it's just like as far as I'm concerned lasagna food into it, but you just mix it with normal noodles, so you don't have to freaking layer stress spread. Sprint she had no time for that. She wasn't interested in it. And in the end if you put if you make it put it in the fridge and then eat at the next day, it's solidified into lasagna squares, but it's just like lasagna brilliant. My admired my head we're about to do an ad. Hey Rangers, it's me. Jackie kashian and it's an ad for betterhelp.com better help is online counseling wage guys. And yeah, I think we all need it. I know I do and let me tell you something. I've had counseling before I've had therapy before and it is always helpful and these are actual professionals. 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Now, let's get back into the show. I mean, it sounds like the stepmother did not show her love through food. No. No, she did not showed her love through other things. She would read to us and she sing with our oh so cute and then she fed clothed and insisted. We did our homework. So it was structured that she that she gave to us and quite often Rangers the Dark Forest. I'm going to melt if I don't turn to deal with it folks deal with it. Yes, the the lovely hum of a of some sort of Jackie. Yeah, let's do it. So, okay. So the two does have you ever tried to make a tuna salad tuna noodle casserole, you're saying everything was solid now it is I got it. I got it inside your head. You know what it means. You're an empathetic human being I want the language of others. That's what that means Street. Jenny Yang. Thank you. Yeah tuna casserole. I made that during grad school when I had my first apartment. Okay, and it was delicious as you can eat on it for a week. Yeah cream of mushroom soup wage. Oh my God dense cream of mushroom soup. Yeah, whatever noodles. I could find tuna cans of tuna. Yeah, you know saltine crackers are potato chips. I forgot what I used on top, right maybe paprika was involved. I don't know Jackie you can Jazz it up put some pep Rica on it. You're not made of stone. You looking to make a culinary? I don't know why they took their choices. Yeah. I don't know why I've decided to pull this closer. I could be more adventurous you could have you ever had now, I'm going to say it right a tuna salad. Yes. So this whole system that cultured this is the thing that blew my mind it was in college during our in our dining hall right where they would have Bagel Bar. Where they would have round bagels and long bagels and they would have all the assortments long Bagels. Where did you go to college Swarthmore College on the East Coast outside of Philadelphia? Okay, and it's just like it's like a bagel spread stick. It was delicious. And so they had the best egg salad. I was like, what is egg salad? This is amazing the best egg salad. Tuna salad and chicken salad. Oh my God. I looked forward to cuz I didn't really eat Bagels growing up there weren't a lot of Jewish people around my high school. It was like mostly Asian Pacific Islander Latino and black. Okay, so I did not have a bagel until I went to college. I remember Nancy Cashman my aforementioned stepmother having a bagel one said me saying what is that? And she's saying you wouldn't like it in other words. She did not wish to share the baby U not like dead. Delicious doughy bread a bread. You wouldn't like this bread. Go eat the bread the the the the the stuff your grandma made. My grandma's would make this wouldn't like a bagel who says you wouldn't like a big someone who doesn't want to share their bagel and she's not wrong. She is correct. And so my God, let us look at your office of six. It's so cute. It is cute. And then so I had a bagel and it was amazing and bagels but I never had and then then I was introduced to a bialy have you ever had a b m had to be Ali squished Bagel? Yeah, it looks it looks similar. Yeah. Yeah, and then yeah, there's all kinds of food that you're like people people would have in your like walk in and it's weird when people judge that you haven't had a thing. Yeah. I know. It's like sorry. Sorry. I didn't grow up exactly like you right right venison. Have you did you ever have venison growing up? No birth. Is Scott something well guys would go hunting. They would bring back a whole fucking deer and their wives would be like we're not eating deer for a year. It's a it's an eight hundred pound animal that you've slaughtered. Right? So we would get like a like a five pound roast venison. Just when I was very little when my father when when my stepmother came back and she would always say no we don't. Yeah, that's great. And so we never got medicine, but but you did so you had a chance to eat it, but you didn't we I did when I was little there was there working and when I was a kid from the neighbors and yeah, I didn't eat a lot of fish either. Oh see, that's the opposite. I eat a lot of fish and seafood. Can you prepare fish and seafood pretty well now? Yeah. Yeah. I've learned to basically make everything. I like at this point. Okay. What is your favorite way to prepare fish in the home in the home? There's a couple of ways if you buy a whole raw fish birth. Already scaled and everything. There's a very simple preparation where you steam it and then you kind of give it a final Little Jazz Jazzy sauce of Ginger Ginger and soy sauce and rice wine and rice wine and like a little cilantro on top but steaming it is really convenient or if you buy the sort of pre salted mackerel. Okay. Bye GIF Rosen at a lot of like Asian grocery stores. That's so convenient because it's like really good oily fish. All you do is pop it on the pan and you fry it up. It's kind of thin. You know what I mean? It is very fast way. I've also done a in peppiatt which is steaming steaming a fish inside of a parchment paper pouch that you kind of cramped up. Yeah with like, you know, a little lemon situation regardless and anything right anything. Yeah little sauce Jazz it up with with either some sauce or some herbs or both. The thing is fish is the fast-food of nature song. Because it goes to the faster looks so fast, cuz I was so we were in Vietnam. That's right. I'm dropping. Okay. Yeah Hanoi we're supposed to be using it is amazing God. I recommend it. Did you like there was there is a fish that is that fish dish called Chaka and it is Faith in cubes. And I don't know what kind of fish it is offhand the pan fried with right a shit ton of dill and it is off so delicious. I'll tell you this. Sorry to interrupt your Reminiscing on the deal fish. One of my favorite fish is that I've had ever is a whole fried fish at this month. Is it tied? I don't know if it's tied Laotian location restaurant in New York. It's kind of fancy. It's kind of expensive right get this whole fry fish and it's drizzled with this sort of fish sauce and other things and accoutrements sure. We're going French when we talk about food and you break mices break off pieces. You put it in like a lettuce wrap with like more little like pickled things and share is wha wha it's one of my favorite fish experiences, you know, what kind of fish it was? I don't know like a dead fish that is like that. It's like just a white flesh eating fish. Yeah. That's what they said. Well, it's just a white fish. Don't worry about it. And you're like, well what if I wish to recreate this and off? Yeah, and and I last fall were in before before the world shut down. Yep, France. What were you doing there? We had saved up and wage for our anniversary our ten year anniversary three years ago. So it took us three years to get there. Yeah, but we went and we spent a week sort of Lyon and in the middle and then a week in Paris. Oh my God Jackie. It was amazing. The last three years of travel have actually been kind of extraordinary and I feel very very lucky of course, but we had some of the greatest meals just some amazing work is being done with lamb. Is there a lamb in your childhood? There was a lot of lamb in my childhood not as much lamb in my childhood. It was something that my dad really liked. So but my mom doesn't like gaming meets she tends to not like beef even so red meat is not her Jam I bet because her pallet is very sensitive. She's a very good job. Book because of that palette also it's she comes from a farming background the family, you know when it's like an agrarian culture. Yeah, you you tend not to want to eat the beef cuz it works for you. You know what? I mean? It does a lot of work that's interesting and she was raised in Taiwan one time on multiple Generations farming coming up in in farms in time. Now three years ago. I was in Hong Kong. Oh, yeah. I've been there. Yeah. Yeah, which I did not know was quite so like almost immediately rural. Yep after outside of the city. Yeah. It's like Blade Runner and then and totally it's it's it is the height of postmodern surrealism. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty it's it's it's just old movie, right? They're totally yeah, and and yeah, I don't know all of a sudden. I'm just taking you on a tour of places that I've met. You've traveled to know I loved Because it gives me a sense of sort of what what kind of foods you've been exposed to break. So we went to Iceland also three years ago. Oh my god. Did you have fermented fish? We didn't and get this off to fish is the famous thing that is on all the Travel Channel's stuff that we've only noticed now because I kept saying what should we eat here in Iceland? What would be the good thing to have a what is there anything traditional and literally of the three to five people I asked that we spend a little over a week there. They said oh meat soup meat cheese soup meat soup. Why not? It's not the most appetizing American way to describe something right? So let me let me tell you what meat soup is, you know, we call it here in America soup. It's just fucking soup. It's just ever meet happens to be there. We have some that was like a lamb soup. We had a beef soup, and we had a chicken soup. They were soup. Listen, maybe it's because they have a lot of soups. Their default soup is a non-meat. We're a different culture Jackie. We are I wonder if I missed a non-meat fucking soup, you know what I'm saying? So it's like why would you modify soup if it always had it that's what you would say wage specify me too. And therefore soup is a non-meat soup, right? I'm a multicultural person. I translate a lot very beautiful. This is nice. I think what this means of course in sympathy. So I am a very empathetic person as well. That's nice. It's it's it's a learned skill. I have found some people are born to it. I myself have to remind myself. Oh that's right off of people. You might want to look into it. So well, we're both the youngest so maybe do we have to grow empathy or do we just want all the attention? Right? I think that we get all the attention whether it's negative or positive is a crapshoot in every family, right? Yeah. Yeah and then and then but you do are you a bit of a hub like are you the person that wage? What do you kind of comes to in the family to find out how the rest of the families d o you got a middle you got a middle sibling doing that? Yes, I would say so because he's living with my parents home. All that does help. Yeah, so, you know last yeah, but but you know, but I I have been asked to mediate certain issues. Okay? Yeah fair enough juice. Yeah. So what would you recommend like what are your favorite? Like? I don't know. What would your favorite white people food? Oh man, it's just like I would definitely say any kind of hot dish or casserole is up there. Usually, it involves a a condensed cream of mushroom soup as a sauce to bind everything together like so so I have a friend who's from Minnesota who introduced me to a tater tot hotdish. What is a tater tot hotdish. Why is it called a hot dish? They're like, it's just what we call the casserole like. Okay great job. So she made it and it was this beautiful flower of packed in tater tots, beautifully laid-out later. Frozen tater tots froze countertops cream of mushroom soup cheese. Yeah, and then if you want ground meat or bacon or whatever. Wow, I forgot what the meat was but it was off heads. It was intense and then another layer of cheese and then you could into it and then it just it just wraps your esophagus like it took the right. We're like a warm collect a hug. Yeah, you gotta you got an opportunity to head out in a On a Winter's day and you've you really get a lot of energy from all them carbs and all that. Well that makes sense shoveling snow out of your driveway you need on tater tot hotdish tater tot hotdish education could make like she came from a Polish Italian upbringing so she home She could make a cannoli that wasn't a cannoli. It was a it was it was it was a pasta thing with ricotta cheese in it. Manicotti. Yes, you made a manicotti. Yeah, I made a manicotti that was in love Italian. I love like Italians are white and and black, you know, there's a variety but I would say gamut of the of the button there, I would say like American whitened groups like Irish and Italian polish. I love I love white ethnic. Yeah. I love a white ethnic food. Like I love like Irish cabbage and you know right in tonight sort of corned beef and corned beef and cabbage average kind of fact when I ate that I was like that's why I was like, I'm obsessed with like with like white Regional accents and white regional foods that's like to me is so exotic. I I should just travel in America, right? Yeah. What what are the different? Are you dead? Looking at something from Oregon which by the way is not Oregon. It's Oregon. Have you done Pacific Northwest Whitey Magoo's because the midwestern Fargo thing that's that's been a long. Yeah, and it looked up to yeah. I feel like my exposure has been a lot of like Midwest Midwest food. I think my Northwest exposure has been less has been more like fancy modern food. I do have to say though. The one thing that I did learn about about food from the from the Pacific Northwest was you know, as one does a few chores a comedian. Sometimes I like stay for a week or two weeks, you know what I mean, right doing one-nighters and yeah or what other yeah, so so I did I stayed in Portland for them to half at this Airbnb this little cottage and she was a very nice middle-aged white lady with short hair kind of she looked like a librarian very nurturing she dead. Was one of the good hosts. We're like at your Airbnb. She essentially provides breakfast every day with like a loaf of fresh bread and she the key and jam and coffee but the key here. Oh and not the key here. Is she everyday had out on the counter a room temperature brick of Kelly butter sauce that Irish butter Kelly's old Irish butter or whatever. Yeah. Yeah on the countertop Jackie. How did I how did I not know you can do this? How how do I not know that this way was what are you having like hard refrigerator butter used to live or microwave it for some reason or warm interesting interesting. I I never lived never lived this way Jackie and I I felt so deprived literally for the next year. I just had a brick of the Kelleys whatever Kelly gold Irish butter on my counter top in because of this it all in all I'll have to say that in that in that off all my God cash and you're driving yourself nuts and Iceland trip. We also went to Ireland and okay. Yeah, and so do you have there that you liked? Well, I had an Irish Breakfast Tea which is like a an English breakfast tea, but I think has a little more rage so it's a little angrier and Thursday. Saw that coming on that she is Jackie. How's it taste? Right. So I have since returning I have been drinking an Irish Breakfast Tea until I they didn't have it in pandemic. So I had to order an English breakfast tea. It is almost exactly the same. This is what I've learned. Yeah, they don't sneek Grote that'll go to turns out in the British Isles. It's all being happened in India. Anyway, South America in Africa. It's in that sort of yeah equatorial area. Yeah that lateral. Yeah over at their house. So you are you calling an Irish. You're just just it's like Trader Joe's brand. You're just giving it a link your it's not even it's the same thing. But what I learned was that you could make a whole polity. Yeah pong one cup. This is what I did that now get yourself what they call a tea cozy. It's a quilt for your teapot quilt for the teapot over the teapot keeps it warm. You wouldn't think it would be Just a blanket wrapped around a ceramic pot and yet it keeps it warm and then you can have another cup and a half with your tea pot of of of tea with your tea. Cosy see that's that's amazing to me that that blew your mind because I could tell you about t culture just from growing up right you have a Chinese tea culture I do and what is that? How is that? Is there tea cozies or is it all being done over and open? Is it being reheated over an open flame you get you just get fresh hot water. You just you just refill. It's all about refilling your refreshing your leaves in the cup. It's the leaves are either in the cup or in the in the the pot. Yeah, but usually get pot that's boiling the water. There's a pot boiling the water. No, no, no, no, no, no, no the pod bay Sands in it because usually depending on if it's black tea, you know, green tea or white t it's a different temperatures that are appropriate for drawing out. The best flavor interesting what what are those temperatures? What which one is the coolest of the longest steep? I feel like what you know to 12 is boiling. So I feel like 200-191-7516. I feel like it's I forgot. What is what but okay a hundred percent. Those are the sort of in high school. I also did study abroad in Japan. So I kind of got exposed to some some tea culture there. I did ceremony with matcha. It's very bitter and then you chase it with a little like sweet good as long as there's a chaser. I mean, you know, but that's why it's like I love I love I love like food culture and like why people do the food that they do and how they cook it and how they consume it. You know, I feel like that's just who I am because like I came here as an immigrant and literally walk it just I had to immediately be good at like understanding the way people are different and they're different cultures are so notoriously kind so dead. Other children who don't who haven't had their exact same experience. You know what I learned that well, here's what I learned. That was what I did childcare. I've heard like ten years. I did child care home a lot of babysitting and stuff when I when I moved to Los Angeles you first started would know from I would say ninety seven to two thousand and five. Mm. Yeah, so maybe six years and I did different childcare and one of the things I learned was that the kids want. Let's say for example, the kids would like pancakes and you're like, okay, here's here's a box of Bisquick. Yeah. I'm going to make you pancakes out of here. And so I make the pancakes and they're like, you're making them wrong. My mom always makes them shaped like a Disney like, well Mickey Mouse Mickey Mouse and so I'm like, well, here's a couple of years and they're like you doing it wrong. And so there's a lot of you don't know how to make whatever and these little shits plenty of little shits. There was a when a dog I was one of the first there was some kid in more. This is like early I did child care a lot. And so it would be like the kid wanted a milkshake. I didn't know what a milkshake was. We would occasionally go get Frozen Custard when I was a kid and we had ice cream Yes, actually Frozen Custard from Wisconsin. Oh, yeah you do I've heard about this off to take so what I did was I took some ice cream and I put it in a cup and I didn't know what it was and then I poured some milk over it and I gave the kid a spoon and I was like seeing a milkshake and they're like this isn't dead and I was like do you not want it and like know of course I wanted because it's ice cream. I won't mind is running ice cream. Thank you. Yeah, it's just Stir It Up a little bit and what you have there is thick ice cream milk. Yeah. It's all a milkshake really is it's just be thicker or more uniform or some damn thing. I think that was the other thing that I that my mind was blown. Is you know in college where like you're finally around other kids and sort of in living situations and it was the dining hall man, you know, there's all these like dining hall hacks. And one of them was learning how to make a milkshake and it blew my mind off some reason. I had ordered like a milkshake from Jack In The Box from from in high school or middle school, but I never knew oh a milkshake is just adding milk to ice cream. Let's just do that often. Did did your did your milkshake thing? Have I remember the first sort of buffet that I went to that had a soft serve where you can have your own? Yes. What's that song? This is this is a this is an amazing world. Are we just old or we immigrant or what is this? Why are we so important finding amazing? Well, the thing is if you think about it, I mean, it's almost like the first time I was given like all the booze. I wanted to drink. I just I think I might just have a problem with excess where I'm like, oh what some people like dead. I there was I ran into somebody I worked at a hot dog stand right at the end of college for three Summers and the first summer I met this cup. They were the first people I met that were fabulously wealthy. Yeah, like their parents had been fabulously wealthy and their grandparents have been fabulously wealthy. Yeah, so I met these people and we were we were partying and it was whatever we thought we all worked at the hot dog stand and and they were like, well, what are you going to do this fall after the summer and all these things and I was like, well I got accepted to this acting College in New York City. Yeah, but they they thought I don't have enough money. They need all of the money for the semester upfront. They need $6,000 for this for the first three months. And this one. I think it was the Ocean Spray kid, like the kids whose dad owned Ocean Spray. She goes you're not going to do something cuz some money it was like yes, it's a it's a common bath. It's occurs in nature. I've been working ninety hour weeks at this hot dog stand so that I could fucking shit get a Utah hospital in London for three months. So yeah, I was like, well, do you have success of dollars that I would promise to give it back? I literally said that to her cuz I was drunk and she was like oh and then she disappeared and never talked of it again, but I was like God but it was like it's it's I mean the thing is is there's there's a certain level of money. That's so weird. Like I have it now off like if somebody needed twenty bucks. Yeah easy. I can give you twenty bucks. It's not I will never miss it. It is doesn't have anything to do with me. You need twenty bucks. Yeah, Jesus. Anyway, that's what six grand opposed to this woman is what I'm saying, totally. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I mean, I mean since you're from Wisconsin, I mean, I'm also off Fascinated with the the Midwest. Yeah, I grew up in Southern California. Okay. So, you know, I'm also fascinated by Midwest drinking culture home. Are you a drinker? I used to be I was very good at it until I wasn't very good at it at all. And then I had to wrap it up. But sorry you're sober now. I am so bored. I do I do not predict cuz it's a terrible idea. I tend to work heavy machinery and then the police get involved two DUIs Yang to do you? Oh Jackie. I didn't know this. It's hard to it's hard to well. It's not like I'm super proud. Who am I telling the eleven thousand people that listed as the Dark Forest and the Rangers No, Rangers, don't right. So but I will say that that the drinking culture wage to where you raised with alcohol at all or no, not at all not in the house really and because all of my friends are very goody-goody evangelico Christians, like the I I literally did not drink and smoke. Halogen that wasn't until later in college, too. I didn't even per take freshman year, right? I my my my mother passed away for in a drunk driving accident. Oh, no and said, it's okay. It's nice to see my published works. And so it's fine. And so the and then my stepmother came into our lives and they yeah my dad and my stepmother didn't really drink. Yeah, but later my stepmother used to drink more. My father can drive women to drink is what I'm saying. When I was a tiny child my my mother my irish-catholic mother. Yeah cause a caricature of an Irish Catholic single mom with six children. There's a lot of drinking and we and so I had sips of of a lot of you know, you'll bring your kid to the bar. This is a very Wisconsin experience. Yes, I've heard yeah where you're like, well, it's my four year old. She's on the Barstool. I'm going to go play pool get her a kiddie cocktail give her as many marriages. Furious that she wants yeah, I'm going to go try to get laid and so that was that was my Early Childhood with the drinking and then when I was like nineteen, I remember the first time I got drunk was when I was nine. Oh my God, and it was because my Stepmother's sister, they we went to their Christmas party every year and you made this weird Frozen brandy-punch that they didn't watch and so all the kids were hammered. Oh my gosh, I believe and we were all like here like slushy it was a girl. She had plenty of plenty of it would had a boat on a brandy and it but it also had a boat ton of sugar in it, right and they were big time waiting Magoo kind of foodstuffs there what kind of rolls and bread and yeah, yeah canapes and stuff. Yeah kind of and she loved to cook him and she loved to bake. Wow sort of the the bakery. Good stuff. But yeah, that's not really my upbringing even though if I think if I stayed in Taiwan, there's a definitely more of a sort of relaxed drinking culture there. Like, you know, when I would visit Taiwan in the Summers my uncle who's like a smoker Drinker Taxi Driver, you would be like I would be nine years old and he'd be like here. Here's some money go down two blocks of the right to the left to the right to the left and like and then go to them and then ask them for a pack of cigarettes and a six-pack, right? Oh, you had to go pick up cigarettes and beers for your uncle. Exactly and I'm 9 years old and he's like, yeah. Yeah keep the change, you know, get yourself a soy milk on the way. Yeah a great sound like get lost. I hope I don't get murdered and yeah, that's yeah the the we were a lot it was a lot looser back in the in in in those kinds of I mean, my mother used to send me for cigarettes a lot when I was like five and six years old. She was like wow. Oh my God, I have a hangover go get cigarettes for me go get beer for me. And so it was it was that but I'll tell you as late as 98. I was a halsa month on the 4th of July with with another comic and I was headlining and the comedy club owner had us over to his house for the 4th of July and the neighbor kid was there and he was in charge of light across the city fireworks and he was probably ten or eleven years old. So he had just yeah, so he had this this lighter and he was going around and my the woman we were co-headlining thought she should have we could both headline but she was okay with featuring for me darling West course. She won the funniest mom in America contest on on Nick Nick at night Mom. Anyway during score very funny Minneapolis comic anyway, so this kid comes over and he's like, can I light your cigarette and she's like, no, that's weird go get me a beer. And so he looks like a dog Anyone go to a beer. So if you just don't live like that anymore, we just don't live like that anymore. But I know that people still are you know one time when they still do this? Yeah, it's nice and I know you know, I worked at a Chinese restaurant for a summer in nineteen eighty-eight. Who know? Hey, yeah, and and in Minneapolis. Oh, wow. I'm in nineteen eighty-eight the summer of eighty-seven. I think it was or the summer of eighty-eight. My brother got me the job in Minneapolis. I went to live with him in Minneapolis and he was he was like, hey, let's go to lunch and I was like, okay and he's going for Chinese and I said, I don't like Chinese. This is nineteen eighty eighty-six eighty-seven. He goes. Yeah, that's cuz you've never had Chinese you've had sconsin Chinese. Yeah, and I got two words to say for Life chocolate pudding. That's what you think Chinese food is also in Wisconsin Chinese buffets always have chocolate pudding on them interesting and socio sense to me, but I guess it makes sense to Wasabi's. Two people. Yeah, that's what they're like, we need to sell some food here these people seem to like putting we're going to put it on the buffet and so get a box of that powder off right just start water. I don't know how it's made. Well, we'll figure it out. Well, we'll get someone to translating and so but it was so we went to an amazing Chinese restaurant in by the University of Minnesota Gophers in in stadium Village and I was like, this is amazing. He said, you know, there's a help wanted sign in the kitchen in the window. Yeah, and so I went up to them and she said you're hiring what for and they said we need someone to work the register and bus tables and I was like, I need a job and they said when can you start and I said, what do you need me? They said 5:00. That's great took 2 hours later. I was working at the Village Walk in stadium Village in Minneapolis. Have you done so many different jobs? Yeah a lot of jobs but having for the first time ever authentic beautiful amazing Chinese food. Do you have a memory of what exactly it was that you ate wage? Well, the what I still love to this date, which is a roast duck wonton noodle the roast roast duck. Wonton noodle. That's legit. That's Ensign. Oh, it's legit and it was all sister muy was the guy who made the made the I remember there was a guy named was this first name, I think is his Americanized first name was like Nick or something. It was one of the waiters and he was Vietnamese and he was gay men. He was the most self-deprecating guy cuz he was like, I'm Vietnamese. They hate me. I'm I know I'm the worst I know it and you're like stop saying that I mean, there is a hierarchy it's really messed up. It's really messed up, but it's it's it's a human experience and it's fucked up anyway, but I was eating egg rolls one day and he said I can't belong Eating those egg rolls and I said why what's wrong and he said, you know Mister movie roles him with his feet. Ill I said shut up stop. So no, you don't believe me fine. One day you're going to walk into the kitchen and there's going to be a newspaper on the floor and mr. Movies going to have a sock off and he's going to be snow. Yeah, and so one day it happened and I haven't had an egg roll since quite honestly and Jacquees German was the only thing I do want it but it was it wasn't good. Here's the other thing. I always giving us all a bad name on right by the end and the other thing with the other Chef. I forget the food was so good. And I was like, I was like, can you make sure we can do the other stuff? I said, can you teach me how to make something real simple that I can make anywhere and he goes like what and I said, I don't know fried rice. Yeah, he goes sure and the office he's like so you put some oil in the walk and then you put some spices in the walk and I said, well, what are the spices? It's like that's a little salt Sal MSG. It's a little things in it off. Pepper and other and I little sugar and I was like wait, there's MSG. It's all in the mix and he goes. Yeah, he said well, what about the cuz I worked a friend. I was like, what about the people who ask for no MSG and he goes off unless I was like people said that they get kills them and he goes has anyone died know and I'm like, oh my God. All right. Yeah, but my grandma used to use MSG all the time. Really? Yeah, what in Armenian food. So amazing. Yeah. I mean, it's a whole it's a whole debunked myth about how MSG affects people people swear that like, you know, some people it's all kinds of things. Who knows and if you don't want it in your food, I'm not here to tell you you can't you have to have it in your for sure for sure. I will certainly ask. Hey. They said they don't want I don't like yeah, I don't know and I hate cilantro. I know wait, so so, you know how to make fried rice. Well, I can make it now, but he didn't teach me how wage That wasn't that wasn't I was taken away from the by the whole MSG thing it blew my mind. So, how did you make fried rice I use I cook rice and then I fry it with a little bit of a bath and some some herbs and some vegetables vegetables and chapter American. I mean, it's just a leftover kind of solution, right? So it's left only solution. Right? Usually you want to take day-old rice because that's what stir-fries better. Otherwise, it's like mushy right when you like your freshman is fresh. Yeah. Yeah, so it's all about a nice a lot a lot of scrambled eggs. And you know, I have I grew up doing different variations. It's like what we would cook for ourselves as kids. You know what I mean? If like for some reason we were hungry before dinner right after school. So yeah, cuz after school we would make our own fried rice. Yeah, you just lots of oil, you know stir fry the the egg then you take it out and then you throw in the rice with some more oil and you season it maybe with wage Was a lot of peas frozen peas, right and then I used to just put a lot of like white pepper on it. Oh doing some soy sauce. You go to add some soy sauce a little coloring on that and then I told her a little spice and then in high school and in high school or middle school my friend Chrissy. She was half Filipina and she made her fried rice with ketchup song it blew my mind and it was very good and I started to do that. Yeah. Have you ever been to jalalabad or whatever jollibee's yeah. Yeah Filipino fast food chicken place. Yes, and you can get a big thing of Filipino rice for like a nickel. Yeah. Garlic rice. Yeah. It's the thing is is so I my my insurance is with Kaiser Permanente jobs and almost all of the nurses are Filipino. And so one day I went in for a check-up and I'm like, I bet you there's really good Filipino rest restaurants around here. Yep. Haven't found the perfect one yet, but I found I found the the the chain I had never heard of Joe will be is Shelly. I found a sort of a diner e kind of place. Yes. Okay. It's called a point. I think they call it to tutor or something. It's called a point where you point to different things that they have in the house. Oh it was it was exactly that they called point cuz they're direct their worth pointing. You're like, oh I want this I want that one that and then they scoop it out for you. Yeah, they scoop it out and they put it on the thing and they'd say yeah, eventually I'm going to need $11 and you're like fantastic. So nice awesome. I like that. You're I like that you like to try new foods, right? Well and Andy likes to try new foods and he has a saying it's fear. No food journal food. I like that. Yeah. Yeah so off the Pinot food too. By the way, we are talking with Jenny Yang. It's by the way in comedy Crossing is in if you if you plan on Crossing look for Jenny Yang TV look for Jenny's log. Comedy Crossing show and see maybe and I think there's an event Brite like you can just get in regular ticket right by the way. I think I need people to know you don't have to play Animal Crossing in order to watch the stand-up comedy show right you can you have to do all you all you need is zoom software that's updated. And then you sign in that's the thing that keeps some people from doing it because you have to sign in with your account because it's a security thing for me. You know what I mean? I don't want you to registration know I don't do reservation. I just you just make people sign in. Yeah, I just made people sign in so that I know who's in the office. You know what I mean? Interesting. I do registration. Oh nice, that's okay. That's how I waited out the cuz in the first months of the the first weeks of those Zoom shows. Yeah. It was a lot of troll trolling. Yeah. Well Nazis, you know Bowl crazy bombers jerking off. Yes, essentially the world creates fourteen-year-old. Terrible boys. Every year every there's a new batch. Yeah. Yep. Here's the good news. They get bored pretty quick. They move on. I mean we don't like yeah so comedy Crossing. Eventbrite.com will always have the latest updates and announcements. Oh great for upcoming shows. It's that's the only site you need comedy Crossing. Eventbrite.com or just follow me at Jenny Yang TV. Yeah. There you go. This has been amazing. This has been delightful. It's just been kind of a visiting about food. It's been so nice. Yes, it has. Thanks for doing the show Jenny. Thank you for having me. This is my first time it's so luxurious to just be able to chat with you. It was very luxurious and wrong, you know, the rules out there take care of each other. My hat my hat my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat my hat my hat. Well, what do you think that if it looks like American at it? Sounds like a Mexican Hat Dance. It's most likely a Mexican hat. So take up your head and let's dance. Why don't we just call that as the end of the show?

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Andy Iwancio and DANCE MUSIC  EP 580

The Dork Forest

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Andy Iwancio and DANCE MUSIC EP 580

"Welcome to the Dork Forest Jaclyn miles whenever Boris Shameless confessions about our obsession with sponge laugh and smile. So let's explore the Dork forest and dorm down for awhile. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian you talk about to listen to The Dark Forest. Let's give you the info about it. First of all, you know, the websites Dark Forest, the Dark Forest, if you like a determiner, Jackie Cason has everything off my podcasts including videos of my stand up my stand-up schedule merchandise, you can purchase if you would like and a lot more info than you possibly even need wage. Let's do the credits my Rick Burke sang and produced and composed that song at the beginning of the show he sang with his wife's here. It's very beautiful at the end of the program he sings this song. Is version of The Mexican Hat Dance? That's my great Berg vilmos fix. This Jackie Cason. Com has the web designer over there and Patrick Brady fixes the audio. And in this case took a video intro very exciting. 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The only other thing I want to talk about is the merch you can get dark Forest t-shirts and you can get stand-up County t-shirts. You can get my albums or my DVD over at Yankee kitchen, sure. There's pins. There's a challenge coin. There's a bunch of new things happening over there any way a lot of information. I think I don't think I missed anything but who cares? Let's get into the show off. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian. I am in my home talking over Zoom to people about their dork dumps. Welcome to the dark Forest. Andy wants you hello off. And this is a this is exciting. We barely know each other though. Your face is so familiar that I know that we've been at least three times. You do it the stand-up comedy your birth Andy iwancio on Twitter and Instagram, correct? I'm a former comic of the week of Jackie and Laurie. Right? Right. There's a credit right there. Here's the account of the week bumbu. Who doesn't want that? I would like that quite honestly if it would do anything and so the but I this is fun. It's always fun to get people Rangers. You'll be happy to know that this is about dance music. It's a music episode, but it's about dance music. So I'm not expected to know anything about dance music cuz I dance only when no one is watching and if you dance yes, I do. I do love to dance. Yes. I do. I it helps me keep rhythm track and it helps me keep up and Rhythm and it's what I've that's how I found my love of dance music is dancing. I don't at much anymore because I'm getting slightly older and all my previous dance moves are catching up that who knew that was a thing, but it does make sense when I think back to the 12th century. When there was some break-dancing those people are there still breakdancing we want to know are they on the ground? They kicking their legs up in the air. Is it happening? We don't know it's still happening that my my focus was in robot and doing robot moves since strobing and liquid is this type of dancing liquid was a type of dancing it is still is it's this. Oh, it's sort of it works with the robot. Yeah. Those are fluid. Yeah. That's what that's why they call it liquid. It's fluid moves. Is it only with your hands? It's your whole body as well. You can you sort of Shimmer Shimmer your whole body and in a liquidity kind of fash. Yeah you off line up each one of your joints and learn to move them individually in a popping motion and then slowly build up liquid motion out of that. Oh, that's quite young. You know what that is that is instructive. I kind of love. Oh instructors honest, then it's necessary. If I'm going to ever learn how to do liquid dancing so long now dance, of course the history and and dance music. Yeah. This is a great segue cuz you're you're cuz your doctor was dance music off. I was like, all right. And you said you had some history of dance music to talk people been dancing forever though, right? Yeah. I the I I love all of it I am. Once told a comic a very funny comic print fiber I said, I'm a DJ and then he said are you one of the Wicca Wicca or one of the oontz oontz and I got upset because of how accurate that is that really does cuz although I recognize both of those. That's I I know exactly what he's talking about which are you on a second home? I I I'm a little bit of both I spend too. It's like left brain and right brain left brain and right brain so coach at a box. Don't push a box you can do it all might as well, right? Yeah, the that leads me to my first fun note about the history of dance music. Yes, please now scratching is the way I do a little bit of it. One of the things I use is when I was a Jackie and Laurie comic of the week. Yes talked about my name. And how to spell my name and saying my name several times both of you. Oh my God use that as a DJ drop in my sets before and scratched with it. I think I tagged you in one of the videos on Instagram does awesome and it's funny because it's like got Kyle spelling it out. And then I scratch each time she tries to spell it out. I use I use Lori said something in the middle of it. She gave me a compliment. But then she said her last name has all of the bowels. That's a that's a pool quote in my bio. That is a pull quote here in your bio. Is it Laurie kilmartin thinks that why she cannot is also in your name and it's interesting. She thinks that there's a line your name know also make a competitive. Okay, so so the so the history I I I've yep. Taught DJing for many years about ten years and I taught privately to adults but then I've taught about six or seven years. I taught kids all the way to adults in a mixed class. Okay part of it is teaching the history of DJing now scratching is the wiggle wiggle. Yeah, it's done with the birth table. But the invention of scratching comes from a DJ by the name of I think he's Grim wizard Theodore. He's okay with a lot of the hip original hip hop a red original hip-hop DJs would use Mains like out of a Freemasonry like Grand Wizards a Grandmaster comes from like Kung Fu or whatever Theodore is the name of the kid. He was legitimately. I think eight years old and he's dead. Was messing around with this turntable, you know, moving the vinyl like catus his grandmother had yelled at him to turn it down. And so he put his hand on the vinyl to yell back down that he would and that's when he heard a scratch with his hand on. He was eight years old. Yes, and then it became like a a novelty the exact part of a DJ crew there would become like a part of the night where you'd have this little kid step up on a milk crate and whip whip and no and what year is this. I want to say it's a great story to tell eight year olds who want to be DJs by the way say like, yeah, we can change the world pack one milk crate at a time. I need a boost. I think it was 83 and I try to be that boost. Yeah. There's there's there's the teachers Becoming you then you should be the boot. We should all be the Boost so you think it was 83. You don't think there was scratching off seventies with with the with the original hip hop people know there weren't cuz they were just doing rap, maybe it starts with so the founder of wrap comes from DJs on radio kind of like talking very fast and a rhythmic fashion. And then other than that, it also bought it comes from several places at once one place is in Jamaica. Do you have people called toasters? And they're the ones that kind of real life and kind of kind of juice do a DJ pad or with a little bit of rhyming over top of instrumentals and you'd have a huge sound system that would log. Travel from town to town and then you would have a party and there'd be that toaster so they would toast over top. That's awesome. Okay, so some of it was that and someone was DJing on the radio and and then the rhyming just sort of came of itself just because who doesn't want to run well talking about slowly comes up. I mean, I'm not really as the earliest person the earliest quote unquote star of that is a disco R&B act dude by the name of Curtis blow and he's the one that he's pretty much the grandfather of us rap if you'd have to say too long or he was certainly in and if anybody has other names he was sick leave leave her alone. But yeah, so Kurtis Blow who I'm actually heard of for some reason probably has some famous songs. It's probably all working out. For him but as long as the breaks by Kurtis. Oh, okay, and that's what it was. That's what it was known as okay. So how so you teach kids teaching does it does it mean that you have to break it down as so do you teach them how to scratch? Yes, I use a digital controller. It's just it's just something that plugs into a computer and not real turntables you ever done real turntable scratching. Yeah. Yeah. I recent albums to you. What times do you ruin by doing that? Well you it's not too bad because I got a tiny portable turntable. That's meant for scratching. It looks like a Fisher Price on a table. Okay meant for scratching and their specific records, but you also go digging for I have one that's all audio from home Sports and cuz back in the day you'd have to like you couldn't you know, you you listen to the radio to hear sports, but you couldn't hear it back. So it was a record of just suck portent Moments in Sports history. So a lot of boxing and sometimes people, you know sing the Pledge of Allegiance and just all of this just dead. Yeah. It's like Muhammad Ali like rambling and okay, so you would when you scratch though, I've always I've always wanted to ask these questions. So I'm going to go ahead home. So you have an album it's on a turntable. The needle is going you're going quick glance scratch. Oh my God, please. Somebody made that into a ringtone with an embarrassed for me. I'm going to use you describing that and scratch with it. I will do that and and tag you in the video game you very much and just it's going to be this. So you you move the mic you move the album under the needle to make the scratching noise correct ruining both the name and the album, correct? Well, it depends on the amount like you you have specific albums that you buy that has better grooves in them for doing it and they have they're really kind of sound effects records and the only way they'll have a or a dude saying cuz fresh and that's a game. You're looking for you're looking for a clip kind of when you scratch exactly. So scratch itself is just a byproduct of that crap. It goes Screech and then fresh or whatever and that's interesting. Okay that I did not know that either so and so to tell where that clip is on a record because the records so I'm just like just a black surface with grooves you would use what people used to use is those little round paper reinforcement stickers you would use in the edge of loose leaf paper when it tore then weekends that and put it directly on the record. You put it next to where the sound is so they could just put the needle right there so you could find it quick. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, so they're not only scratching up this album. They're also putting stickers on it and they're like, this is the this is but you'd have to listen to it cuz there's no time code right with an album. You'd have to call. Don't go that's the word sticker scratch fresh or whatever or crackers or whatever you want them to say. That's not something anybody. Can you get a can I get a raw animal crackers just saying animal crackers animal crackers OK want to scratch with that girl. She doesn't feel used and somehow I'm enjoying it. Okay, so but yeah you would you would look for and what's funny is that you would have to sometimes people said you are going to scratch up the record you look for Bargain Bin stuff. So you spend a lot of time digging and people have different either. I have a pretty good knowledge of dance music off to look for producers or certain labels or artists, but sometimes people are just like I can tell that a record is going to be good for a certain kind of music if all dead. New tab beards so you're some people just judge a book by its cover. But and you're judging it by the liner notes interesting. So what who are producers that you that I mean because with dance music there are musicians and then there are producers or the producers the musicians or as does it bleed over. Is it not happening? What's what's the it would it would be like you're the thing that producers learn and dance music producers learn and are more more fine-tuned with is rhythm. So like you're basically a drummer and then you move on to playing keyboards. It's kind of like you weren't one. Then you get the other. Okay. You can be a musician about it or you can just be very rhythmic about it. Okay. So with with some music the music is is almost entirely the Rhythm dead. And sampling and stuff like that. And and is that the EDM thing that we were talking about? So I am I am Thirty. Why does why does not screen name saved Linus neater? That's my partner. I regained it, but I just realized rename it. That's my name on the streets off. I guess we're talking with Andy Watson. Okay. So line is Anita is my partner and any their gas the account go off but the in general like trying to I'm I'm thirty-eight and so I've been DJing for a 20 years and not town down some music when I was in high school and or about Highschool ninety-five ninety-six and so dead. The permutations of it over time. I've like kept track of and learned each new genre as it's appeared and as I've gotten older I've gotten more jaded and Thursdays terms that people use to just say the entirety of dance music. One of them would have been Electronica off. Okay, another one of them is techno right other one is house music people call just all dance music house music and the most the most awful recent one is EDM now when people say EDM it's a specific genre, but if you read it out electronic dance music that describes every genre off right unless it's acoustic dance music, right? And is there a DM acoustic dance music know there was IDM, which is intelligent dance music off. That was like ninety-seven ninety-eight. But what what year mark does that IDM that look like off completely ridiculously complex time signatures not unlike Jazz musicians that kind of like, I don't know put on hold kind of music. So so when you say that your door Kim is dance music you're talking about all of those kind of things whether it's electronic or house or I mean the the The things are specific but on the whole it is sort of an electric. I mean, you're not Waltzing, right? You're not you're not going to see a chamber orchestra and hoping that they took a four or for Walt's and some of it is just playing playing Motown or playing Soul music or playing R&B music just playing it's just because I like like it right. Yeah, there's just about I try to be informed about every genre cuz I was teaching kids and I had to learn new genres that the kids were bringing in and so you need to know what the YouTube what what's the latest Craven me at crazy music on YouTube. What's happening? It's what was happening three years ago that I that I probably never heard of. Well, I mean EDM is still like a dog Kind of gone the way of the dinosaur it's even old people music to a certain to a certain younger kids. But sure they've gotten back into town house music they really like like many things that I think kids are getting into they like minimalist kind of things very stripped-down not wage a lot of nuts and bolts just simple kind of music that sounds raw and they see that as hard or some sort of like respect for the genre the like older artists in a way. Okay, let's those are all words things that are raw and stripped-down what it's like there. Is there. Anyhow, I would recognize are what are the lyrics like? So are there are some there a lot about well, I mean like that's an interesting one is that wage? When you hear a thing that people there's lots of things so sampling you always hear the Staples. You always hear from 90s dance club music. We're just Syfy Clips. Okay clips from old fifties sci-fi movie movies like the full and cannot contain us and then some big bass Noise Okay, and the reason was is that they were all in the public domain. Nobody was going to come after them. Okay toes right in the Disco era gay men listen to disco a lot of the time there's even today not much dance music where I do a male voices talking about loving another man. There's almost there's so little and the reality is is that in the Disco era birth. Things like how like Weather Girls It's raining men. Like they they aren't they are women, but they agreed with the tone and the message of it. They feel like the the tone of the message is like them singing and they identify with that and okay that was the thing about disco and then as it's gone forward like the lyrics don't mean to too much. Okay, so it's more about the beat and and so when something is stripped down is it literally took it and what is the dance move for that? That's why I brought you here. Andy is to make you laugh at my age musicals dance millage. It's this is another classic musical episode where I don't know things last week last month. It was I didn't know who was in Fleetwood Mac so it could be anything. Could be anything I can tell from the number of Miniatures behind your head on the zoom call that it would take me more than an hour to tell you how to dance. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's no way there's literally I do what I consider some physical movement to music and no one needs to be party to it. So I suggest what I do it alone, but it's there, you know, like I've been to weddings where they they've been some sort of like there's four music videos that so that the kids have learned something the children of the of the bride and groom or the, you know, the aunts and uncles of the world will bring their children and these children will have wage these moves from you know, whether it's I what kind of like that's kind of where my disconnect is that correct? I know where I like where my jaded being an old Rave Grandma as I call myself. I've like that's where my that's where I end. I don't I'm not going on Tik Tok. I don't play fortnite and I don't like K-pop like Korean pop music is huge. And there's so many dances associated with them too. And okay that is all out of my reach I know about it, but there's and there's Wells that you haven't gone down, right? So it's really hard to to make that to to know everything. There's just absolutely no way there's it just doesn't and so what is a rave and Rave? Hey Grandma tell me what a rave is the term Raves comes from it was mostly a thing where like What's the term for dancing way back in the day even in the times of like like Juke joints and like home? Yeah, like even back to speaking his back in the back in the Speakeasy days even even maybe even back to then people would rave on meant to just be energetically dancing and okay. So is it a lot of jumping up and down or is it gotta be cuz you said that what you like about the dance is the Rhythm right and keeping your Rhythm sort of knowing where the beat is and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I the reason I know is so many genres of dance music is like I've played different genres over time and life grown out of them or kind of became jaded about them if they like if the trends of that genre are just annoying that I don't really want to follow wage. Through and I don't do it too. I love it. But I don't do it to be like famous Abbott. So be playing the trendy stuff is not really necessarily money bag. Really. Do you think that it's it's sort of a normal thing like you'll it's like with any any dark dumb or anything that you love a lot where you get into one kind of it and they're like well now it's I'm I'm saturated. I've had enough of this kind of whatever they've stopped talking to me about dragons or you know in my case right off like I get it. Yeah, there's dragons. Fantastic. Anyway, I'm getting you boring with drag and talk on your day-to-day life. That is based off the price. I'm I'm not again like we were talking before my partner. The aforementioned line is Sneider uses this Zoom account to play D&D with children. For a living for a living and that is a that is an amazing. I have to look into that. I just finished an amazing D indeed but so why I think but my thing is about about music is that when you listen to it, like a hundred people work the same six, you know sixteen bars, right? Is that when you get jaded, what is it? What makes you kind of go? Well, no, I still love I love it. But I'm just kind of over it. I can I can illustrate that with the music that I'm into now. I am into a genre called took em in bass drum and bass. I'm writing it down get ready to write down the other word, which is the origins of it come from a a genre called jungle. Okay, and it was a again a part of the part of the toasting the Jamaican khong. Sure in England kind of got more and more into sparser bits of drums, but it was born of a very specific very specific. So the breakdowns of the song where where like old Motown songs off. They would have a breakdown where there'd be a drum part where dancers start to really like that part. They really like that like twenty twenty-five seconds where it's just getting very funky on anything like a disco song or and like just old soul. And this guy by the name of birth name is DJ Kool herc was a Jamaican DJ who came to New York and he had a he had the idea that like he likes that he was like people Parts of the song. So I'm just going to play them one after another he wouldn't mix them. He would just play the part of the song people like parts of several songs, and he would just do a row. I love that. I chose the so there's a there's a group by the name of the winstons there a soul group kind of born out of playing at Mass. They were played a lot of churches. They were a church band in the South and I could be getting this all wrong cuz I the part I do know is dead. They had a they put out a record seven-inch record in I want to say the early seventies and it wasn't a hit but the B-side the like less than a known side of it was a song called. It was called amen, and it was a cover of the song Amen birth. You know just the him. Oh, right, right. Yeah in the middle of the song is 10 seconds of a drum solo and it is the most sampled drum solo of all time. It's 10 seconds and it's been sampled. It was sampled in hip hop in the eighties hip hop in the 90s and then it has its own genre. Just cause a men the anal as it's known and so the amen amen break is the focus of jungle, like people just really loved it. So they started slicing up the drums making these complex rhythms. And then the move away from sampling is the move into drum and bass and drum. It actually gets its name from Jamaica music choice would be sparse so that somebody could toast over top they were like very sparse songs so that okay provide Melodies birth. It became a thing called riddims The rhythms would just be like a a beat that eight or nine different people would have a cover of that song and they would make their version of that song. And so then yeah drum and bass goes on and lately. It's been the best way to describe it is dead. They it's it will be like really good and then all of a sudden it goes went more like legitimately that South and they refer to it as Foghorn because it sounds like a Foghorn and I don't I'm not a huge fan of it. I like the very vocal drum and bass wage. Okay, so pretty and are they are they at any time cuz you said they went from sampling to something else. Are they playing the drums? Is anyone playing the drums here sometimes yes, boss. Sometimes they have people come in and play like synthesized drums or sometimes they'll have them play the drums then they sample the drums themselves a lot of the people who make the stance music can drum or the better ones can but I yeah now I'm kind of like dis disenfranchised with a certain southbound and right so it was so so you like the more original sort of drum and bass part of it at less when they went to fog horn and like you just you just harsh a buzz man. I don't want to dance to Foghorn and it's a it's a there's this like male attitude in drum and bass that also happened in dubstep when you had laraine Newman on she spoke of brostep and brostep is just really heavy dubstep. That's I don't know song Like me punch in the air about it. What exact remind me with dubstep was dubstep is she didn't really go into it, but it's a it's a sound that another took a mutation of jungle and drum and bass that came out of England and it came from completely pushing down the Rhythm. It was just superb AC super Spacey with the sounds. Is it if it were a wave would it just be one giant thick wave it could be like a wild hormone and then there'd be a rhythm in the background. That's just Really? Yeah, it's there's some really good good step. I think you would enjoy I do this that feels like an ambitious statement. So sick of of though, I will be asking you for an eighth and eighth song Spotify list at the end of this. Okay music episodes, I would like at 8, so I'm Spotify list so that I can am listening go. Oh, yeah, I don't get it anyway, or I kind of like it people just people at that time just really appreciated how low the base was but it wasn't anything huge. It was just like oh, this is really great. And when you were standing in front of a loud sound system and you hear the bass, you're not only hearing it you're feeling it off. And so that's a huge part of it. Like it's bass-heavy but it's not aggressive with more or less understand giving you like a backrub than being aggressive but as long, Ask you I I attribute masculinity as being like the people are like I need my base to be more aggressive. And so if it just got more aggro and your life, that's not the part that you liked cuz it was just a little dude Brewing. So yeah, do you see the same escalation in, waves of Comedy as it goes up to age and something becomes more try and maybe aggressive and then well, there's just a certain brand of and and there's a market for it. I mean there's there's people that that enjoy that kind of that kind of energy and it's And then quite honestly it's being made for them. But here's my here's what what's backpedal to this question. You're standing in front of a speed one of those giant speakers. Yeah. How's your hearing loss? Well the image to my hearing's not too bad because I don't I don't really go out too much anymore. I like the idea of friends sitting around in a living room listening to good music that I'm playing as opposed to being like, I need a thousand people at my whim but I have played to a thousand people but like at a certain level of becomes just like you need to play the most popular things to not lose them. Yeah in the same way that you can hear jokes kind of go out. Perhaps go out and back in a theater. You can see the heads of the people out in the crowd stopped moving and and that's your first clue to go that clearly. Yep. Not not hitting and it's kind of fascinating. I grew up playing a lot of Anime conventions cuz I'm a huge nerd and so playing science fiction conventions that I'm a convention with something I did for a long time. But the point I wanted to make is that I played a club in DC that's not around anymore. But there is a school for the deaf year by a college a famous School for the Deaf and the deaf folks would come in and just be all the way almost up next to the baseman's cuz they could hear the music and dance to it off the music and dance to it. It's actually a really beautiful thing. Yeah, that's awesome. So do you when you're sitting around with friends and you're not paying for a party or four by the way, excellent thing to hide behind at a party by the way whole said well played it's my party skills are male if I had a Tas. Yes, and but the the if you're just sitting around the house, will you listen to dance music? Yeah, I will generally I'll play it off when I have as like agreement with my neighbor where I mostly am loud on the weekends for a couple hours and but for the most part gets pretty loud, but not really it's just thin walls. I don't like it super loud because my I'm so worried about my neighbor's being bothered about it. And you're just a thoughtful. Yeah, you're trying not to drive. Your neighbor's mad. And yeah, I know I suggest if you're looking for that same trying to make distance with people at parties. I suggest off embroidery if you could embroider a live laugh love in a little hoop. I think that'll that'll keep anyone away from you at a party. Oh, yeah. No. No, I did not. Problem eventually sending people away. It's immature like no one is watching cuz they're not they are not and it's yeah, well I went to a wedding and there was a wedding DJ and have you ever djed a wedding? I have for my friends. That's the weight they'd have to know what they were getting into right wedding. DJs are the people who make the most money DJ in the world. They get paid hand-over-fist and not only comedy we do a lot of gigs for free before you eventually get paid off in the same as not true of wedding DJs who just get gigs out of the gate and there's like ten things people want and then they play them and then that's really true. But right so it's not it's not sort of real real DJing. I'm sure that that's real DJing. Yeah, cuz it's your disc jockeying but it's I mean, there's there's different levels to it obviously dead and there's the there's the level where you play what is handed to you essentially a p i Love MP3 or discs or whatever and then there's where you're wrong. Your rating what you know, you're sort of your mixing, you know, I've been to clubs where they mix two songs together, right and that can be I mean that's that seems really hard to figure out where those two beats go together, especially with CDs back in the nineties where you're like, how do you even know where that is. There's no. I grew up more playing digital music because there's a there's a a music format known as a module. It is a just kind of like a sound file with imagine it it has some sounds in it a file has sounds in it and then a little sheet music off for it to play back. Oh and I found that first there's an old computer by the name of the Amiga. It was not popular here, but it is very long. Popular in Finland and I found that I found websites of people making the music and that's how I found it and it was I've mostly loved final pretty final is never been really huge part of my DJing. It's all been digital and for me to pretend like vinyl is a huge part of my world would be a long and you don't want to live that life and it's also a really useless life. So possibly I mean I suppose that there's there are you know, the in all these things there's there's people who judge right? Yeah, there's and and I do it too. I mean everybody. You know, that's I mean that's it's technically stand-up comedy. Is it stand-up comedy? But it's it's I've sort of just left it as it's not for me some people like it and and then has to be that's so dismissive checking you can say that about anything and I think I should do I mean and people do to me. I mean, they're obviously it's that I mean proves I mean for example, and this Blends into just stand up comedy talk but walking is Clay is not going to be what he's not actually performing for me either. I don't I don't think do you think he's performing for me know I I'm just imagining you off as a children's art teacher and there's the parents come up and you're standing in front of it. You're like, yeah. That's Timmy's piece right there. It's not for me off. You're actually in a different place with where I'm coming. I'm not you're in teacher mode and no time. Would I ever say to a child or to someone Slash new? First of all people who are super doing stand-up comedy don't I mean don't ask for my opinion. I mean cuz my only opinion will be keep doing it. Are you having fun? Then do it? I I once asked a comedian who I've since become better friends with and guy. Oh I once asked him to watch one of my sets and he watches me and then after the saying goes how long have you been doing comedy? And I was like, I told them however many years that was maybe four or five and then he just walked away. It was the nicest thing he could say the first time I saw Dana Gould I ate it and as I walked off, Here once I got off stage and he was literally one of my I would say three favorite comics in the country in the world. And as I walk past I had done so poorly he he fleetingly made eye contact with me and then blessedly looked away. So it was it was the nicest thing he could do walk-in the moment. That's him saying it's not for me. No. No, that's him saying that didn't go. Well you you know that we don't need to talk about it and it was a it's more of an adult kind of way. You would talk to another adult in your profession. If you were a teacher and someone is and you are trying to teach people to do this thing. You better be have some compassion and some empathy and it's just words of encouragement. And I mean the thing is is people will always love different things. Right. I mean if if you're teaching teenagers had a DJ and you're going off, Run into what that is, right? Yeah, you're going to end what they're into and what that looks like and all these things. Hm. How do you sort of talked to them? If it's nothing that you would ever enjoy like they just want a DJ K-pop and you're like, okay. I I when I I have like a list of about twenty-five songs that I will teach I will teach kids how to play every genre that I love and then see what they like and they have a deep respect for our dance music history. A lot of kids do that's like the most amazing thing about dance music. Is that like if you're in it long enough to having a knowledge about the roots of it took about the intricacies of it is like expected of you what are the intricacies of it cuz it cuz as as a Layman looking at it from outside, it doesn't. Super complex, but I'm sure it is because if it's Rhythm it can be anything right you you have different tiny. If you can imagine a different parts of the world have different genres of dance music that come about for different reasons and example me one would be Thursday genre of music called Belgian new be it was popular in the latter part of the 80s. If I remember correctly off and certain certain genres are definitely shaped by truck use and that one was opiates were huge thing. So they would pitch records down. They would slow them almost all the way down. And the the Belgian. Yeah. Yeah. Okay and they'll like effect is is that like a song that normally was like just dead you know, it could be any a rap song even but link when you slow it down all the comes the slow motion like And it does create some interesting things by slowing some music down incredibly you like all these new sounds kind of come out of it. And that's kind of what happened with dubstep. It was slowing down music that had gotten too fast and Like certain kinds of dubstep or more just about like just enjoyable melodic music and then it slowly ramps up and becomes just aggressive rock music basically, right? That's interest. Yeah, but that's a that's definitely I will teach kids how to play Dubstep but then I don't really listen to it at all and a lot of stuff isn't for I mean it isn't I mean there there's a point where you grow in something that you have advanced just interested in especially if you're teaching it. You're like I've seen, you know, if you were a fine artist painter, you've seen many bowls of fruit. You've seen it's been covered off and you're just like, okay, but we gotta get through the Bulls fruit if you're going to learn how to make the next thing and so that's I think I once I what's amazing is that job? The because of the internet kids don't have to go out to a bar. They don't have to go out to a club to find dance music and they readily find dance music online and not amazing cuz they end up making music at like the age of twelve. I had a kid in my class who was eight. The youngest of taught has been six years old. I had an eight-year-old that I taught and his parents were like, yeah when he was playing I was just like his parents send them was talking them and his parents were like, yeah, he's been bothering us for about four years and how to DJ he was four. He was four years old and it helps that Seattle has a we have a dance music radio station. That page is run by high school students. What station is that? C 89.5 and 8 a.m. 89.5 Okay, C as in cat. Yes, you've been around since the 80s. They broke the song from Grease You're the One That I Love they were the first person they were the first like radio station really break it and be like this is a great song and they kind of made it a hit there. One of the first stations to play Lady Gaga and I definitely hear music on there that I'm like I am too old for this but so what I'm what I'm missing though is that it's so off the dance music that you're talking about is mostly sampled but it's sampled from stuff like old musicals or Lady Gaga or whoever owned newest version of Beyonce is no I understand Beyonce is still the current version of Beyonce. The grease thing is like it was just a radio station and they birth Light the song you're the one that I love this movie soundtrack not sample just playing the song like a radio station. Oh and they they broke the song National wage but the idea that High School radio station broke a song is the kind of like interesting discovery that has happened many times in dance music and just over over time and it's great to see 89.5 play dance music now or is it cuz is it what the what the high school kids are listening to or is it just pop music they play different genres? They even have a moody God show on Sunday that's older cuz they have older DJ's. It's just that kids are involved with the running of the station like that show kids songs. There was that like weird public access the public TV show about kids running a TV station. Okay, and but yeah, that's it's really interesting but it's not as much sampling as there is a synthesized music like synthesizers and drum machines. So because samples became people use them but then got sued for using them the Faith album that I was going to recommend to you. Okay is a group called The Avalanches. Okay, and the name of the record is wrong since I left you that is the most samples. It is over a thousand samples. The the the rights. The liner notes is just fine print. It looks like terms and conditions and how many different lines of Rights Reserved there is on the back of it, but it's chilled out. Super chilled like excellent music and it's my biggest influence in terms of deejaying and it's from like two thousand and it's super mellow music. I think you really enjoy and it's okay. It's my favorite album of all time. Oh, okay. Well, wow, that's that's kind of amazing and have they done other The Avalanches something. They took a 17. They took a 15-year break and came back and like they've started putting out new stuff and it's good too, but it's not it's not the same. It's more having people guest singer sing little clips and stuff. Have you ever heard of the full club and the roaches? Yes. So the Roches our group that my dad grew me up on there's a Tiny Toon Adventures episode that has the Roos Just as a roaches. Yes, and I highly recommend that if you can find it in their music, but they were recently sampled. They range least sampled the sisters. The Avalanche is sampled them in a song and the sisters one of the sisters passed away and they thought it was the coolest fucking thing for the exampling to be done because it made it seem like the sister was doing a duet with these other people and they the idea of her still making music after her passing. They just really absolutely enjoyed and loved about it being sampled and that's kind of more the that's kind of more the sampling that's happening now. It's more like a kind of involved with the artist that you're sampling. Do you think it's new music like, you know how like hip hop is sort of a new kind of genre so is dance music just sort of like a quick keeps going and changes and and is poetry that just as another stanza or do you think it's like a new poem? I would say it's all cyclical almost all of this all of the things that it just comes as a strip it down and it comes back to something else kind of thing or off. Basically. What it is is that let's say a twenty year old is making music. Now what he was list would say that twenty year old dude, cuz it's a lot of dudes that twenty-year-old. Jude was listening to maybe ten years ago was the early two thousands. So he is influenced by the music he grew up on in the office two thousand and not is inspired by older music. So generally things build up in terms of elements. Like there will be just a build of all of these elements and then eventually kids are the next generation of kids are like I don't like all of that. I'm just going to simplify it and so it's just these cyclical waves. Of lots of elements and then very stripped out and so it just goes from complex two, very simple over and over and that's been the history of dance music really loud. Right? It's so weird about cuz dance as its own music, you know, like there's there's rock and roll there's Jazz there's swing wage. There's there's hip-hop there's and the country country and western or whatever and the thing is is like country-western has bled into rock and You know Symphony music has become more rock like as well to where it's not it seems like the electrifying of the instruments themselves have sort of not affected absolutely every single kind of music. Yeah. Yeah, I mean cuz that's like a and then like you can you can hear it in rock music the same kind of thing happens where it's like super heavy and then it'll become super like done little big cam very popular to be super soft and like you see that in like a band of like of Montreal or these like very kind of we've got a washboard in a piccolo kind of band who doesn't want to wash board to Piccolo if they can make it work make it work. I don't know if you've ever been in a concert before one of those maybe just like that sentence. Have you ever been to a concert before anyway off? So basically what happens if people have soundchecks there, it's like Stone check for this and see people you know, the sound person being like, okay play a little guitar. We need all of these elements to work of your Jug Band and what's really funny is if you're ever around for one of these huge Bands, then you can hear a very conceited hipster. Do. Being like I need more washboard. I need less. I need less fiddleback here. I need more Viola less fiddle more violent thoughts. You've never heard somebody like aggressively. Ask for more Penny sword. Yes, you know there was a Jug Band that I went and saw every night from in night clubs in the summer of nineteen eighty-nine. It was it was it was the only entertainment in town. You got electricity in nineteen month. U v and it was right. It was Nineteen eighty-nine. I was in Provincetown Massachusetts in on on Cape Cod and it was the bar attached to the to the restaurant. I worked at home when I say restaurant or talking to hot dog stand and we could start drinking at noon. And so by the time I get off at 9, I was hammered and so I just stumbled to the Surf Club which was right on the bay and you can get some food and you could listen to this junk band and I made them play Taj Mahal every night at a bucket and headed me off. I you said Jug Band and you didn't I already knew that you could start drinking at noon. Like you said, you said Jug Band if there's a Jug Band found if you hear it, if it's in distance, then you're allowed to start drinking. Yeah, and it's a it's a gay resort town. Which yeah, hi early is dedicated to drinking it in, New Jersey. So it was it was going to dance it was intense three Summers. I always thought it was too and then I remembered that I was just drunk for that last one anyway, but it was Thursday work and it was worth every moment. Hey, so we're close to an hour here candy. Yes anyone's here everybody Andy I-10 and wage you're going to want to do is you're going to want a follower now the Instagram the Twitter and and figure it out. But what what would you would recommend this Avalanche album? Yes. The song is since I left you. Yes. That's the that's the thing. I would recommend the most. I think it's it's a gorgeous album. It's great for summer. It's a Summer album. You bought a great album for just driving around. Well, that's cool. Yeah. I'll give it a shot for sure. I always try at least once and listen song. Only story I tell over and over again is when Marie valeriano was on and gave me a hundred and eight you two songs. Oh, I just eight songs man. Just walk songs. Whatever it is that you love. I can only take eight and he gave me a USB stick with a hundred and eight songs on it. And so then I had an empty USB stick that I could reuse. So, you you a hundred and eight versions of the same song is what you have. I don't mind that you two there's you know in the historic time was you too and we are supportive off. Okay, I wouldn't worry. I like Marie. I don't it's it's just everybody loves a different band and different kinds of things. I know nothing about all of them. So welcome to another great musical episode of strangers. You've chosen wisely as per usual. I have had a lovely birth. Anything so much for doing the show. No problem. It was about the I was listening to pass music episodes and it was the same amount of you not knowing what sound is off and then living in a whole other than just fans last episode. I admitted that I'm listening to the soundtrack to Frozen to a lot off anyway, so thanks for being on the show everybody and thanks for listening to the show and Rangers, you know, the rules out there take care of each other my hat my hat my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat my hat my hat. Well, what do you think that if it looks like a Mexican hat dance and it sounds like a Mexican Hat Dance. It's most likely a Mexican hat and so take up your head and let's dance. Oh my God, why don't we just call that as the end of the show?

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