15 Episode results for "Casey Story"

Failure Is An Option

TED Radio Hour

53:28 min | 1 year ago

Failure Is An Option

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from American pest as the leading provider of safe sustainable pest control solutions across the DMV. Let American past help you to take back your home or business. From menacing pests. Visit them today at American pest dot net. Hey, it's guy here. So by now, you've probably heard the Silicon Valley mantra fail fast fail often. But how can you make sure you learn from failure? Well today on the show were exploring all kinds of failure from trial error and experimentation to the kind of personal failure. That exposes our deepest insecurities. This episode is called failure is an option and it originally aired in July of two thousand sixteen. This. Is the Ted radio hour. Each week round. Breaking TED talks talks. Technology entertainment design design does that really what's ten from? I've never known the delivered. A Ted conferences around the world, if the human imagination we've had to believe an impossible thing. That's true nature of reality. Beckons from just beyond those talks those ideas adapted for radio. From NPR. I'm guy Roz here. Sweet. So let's introduce a guy named Astro or Keller low is that Astro teller? It is which is kind of a perfect name for someone with Astro teller's job. I'd like to think so. Estra works in a place known only as x people ask a lot about secrecy in how much secrecy we have at acts. And there are things that we're working on at x that we don't talk about publicly, and I think people misunderstand why we don't talk about them. And it's related to the issue of failure. Failure one of my favorite topics is a big deal at X. But let's back up ex is run by Google. And when Astro I started working there? He sat down with Larry page, one of the companies co-founders, and they try to come up with a way to describe what they would do at X what secret stuff they'd be working on. So I said, what are we taking? Research is that basically what we're doing? And he said, no are we making business units? And he said not really are. We an incubator sort of not really. So I was just trying these things out on him. And when I said are we taking moon shots? He said that's what we're doing. Why some say the moon cures Astro? On the Ted stage. Nineteen sixty two at Rice University. JFK told the country. About dream. A dream to put a person on the moon by the end of the decade. We choose to go to them whole. No one knew if it was possible to do. But he made sure a plan was put in place to do it. If it was possible. That's how great dreams are. Great dreams aren't just visions their visions coupled to strategies for making them real at X. I have the incredible good fortune to work at a moonshot factory. We use the word moon shots to remind us to keep our visions big to keep dreaming. And we use the word factory to remind ourselves that we want to have concrete visions concrete plans to make them real. But I have a secret for you. The moonshot factory is a messy place. But rather than a void the mess pretended. Snot there we've tried to make that our strength. We spend most of our time breaking things and trying to prove that we're wrong. That's it. That's the secret run. It all the hardest. Parts of the problem. I get excited and cheer. Hey, how are we going to kill our project today? This philosophy of chasing. After failure. Is what Google is using to build its driverless car, which started development in X. But so did Google glass. Remember that and not exactly a huge success. So what makes the difference between success and failure? And when failure is what you wind up with. How do you learn from it, how do you recover from it? Well today on the show stories and ideas about learning from failure. And how to think differently about what happens when you fall flat on your face. It's one of the most hyped tech products that most people could eat actually. So let's talk about Google glass. I computer that takes photos and video searches the web and responds to voice commands, like we said, it was first developed at exit of the most highly anticipated tech gadgets was supposed to be a huge thing. An estimated ten thousand people in a pilot program are already user, but. The features. I'm excited to have the GPS like right in my. I'm excited to be able to pull up the images like if I can Google something. These things were not enough to make it a success and so Google quietly stopped production of the prototype. And moved the project out of X. I think there were some things about what we did that were fantastic. And there are things that we did that. I don't think we should repeat. And we can appreciate the parts of it. That were good and make clear notes to ourselves about the parts of it that we wish. That we would do differently next time. But failure is hard. It's not it's not fun. I mean, the sounds really great and positive the way you're talking about it. But isn't it pretty hard to get people to be, you know, to become really excited about feeling it something I mean, how do you do that? There are a lot of different ways to do it. But here's an example. The first time I stood a team at X up on stage in front of everyone. It ex and said this team has done more to further innovation at X by ending their project than anyone of you sitting in your seats has done in the last quarter. There was like an uncomfortable. Silence. So then I say, and we're giving them all bonuses for having ended their project all those people sitting in the seats are feeling even more like, wait. Let's then I say, hey, guys, take vacation. And when you get back the world is Joyce ter- find some new project to jump into and everyone thinks I've lost my mind, but the tenth time I did that like no one even thinks about it. They just get a standing ovation every time I don't even have to say the speech anymore because it's part of the culture now. I want to show you a few of the projects that we've had to leave behind on the cutting floor and also a few of the gems that at least so far have not only survived that process, but have been accelerated by it last year we killed a project in automated vertical farming vertical farming uses ten times, less water and one hundred times less land than conventional farming. But unfortunately, we couldn't get staple crops like, grains, and rice to grow this way. So we killed the project. Here's another huge problem. We pay enormous costs in resources and environmental damage to ship goods worldwide, economic development of landlocked countries is limited by lack of shipping infrastructure. The radical solution a lighter than air variable buoyancy cargo ship, but it turned out that it was going to cost close to two hundred million dollars to. Design and build the first one two hundred million dollars is just way too expensive because Xs structured with these tight feedback loops of making the stakes and learning a new designs. We can't spend two hundred million dollars to get the first data points about whether we're on the right track or not if there's an achilles heel in one of our projects, we want to know it now upfront now we down the road. So we killed this project to discovering a major flaw in a project doesn't always been that it ends the project. Sometimes it actually gets us onto a more productive path. You know, it sounds like a lot of this is about how you look at it. Right. Like you guys didn't fail, but you hit a snag then forced you to shift your your perspective. Yeah. I mean, I think you're right. Of course, it helps me that. I've reframed what I think of is real failure. I think of real failure as the point at which you know, what you're working on is the wrong thing to be working on or the you're working Leonard in the wrong way. You can't call the work up to the moment where you figure it out that you're doing the wrong thing failing that's called learning. And once you frame, it that way, there's this moment where if you stop now, if you course, correct now you can be shamed free. But if you keep going forward, the shame starts to build how do you know when it's time to to pull the plug and say, you know, what guys? This isn't going to work. Let's just like fail hard and move on. That's the really tough part, of course. Because people often totally disagree. But when that point has been reached, I like, what are you doing this Astro? So there are times when we're trying something, and it doesn't work, and we try a different way to solve the same problem or de risk the technology, and that doesn't work also. And then we try a third way. Should we try a Fourth Way that's the hard part? That's what we spend a decent amount of time arguing over. There are frequently times where I will look at a project and be confident that it's going in the wrong direction. I will say gently that I think so and then I will step away. First of all, I'm wrong a bunch of the time. And also if we're expecting them to do these hard things they need to own it. If it's done to them, it feels like a catastrophe when they do it. It actually can be empowering. Most ambitious projects to come out of x in the last few years is a project called loon as in balloon, and it started with this idea if you were to make what you could think of is a super small super, cheap, satellite and tie it to a balloon and put it up into the stratosphere. You would have a couple huge benefits. I benefit such a device would not work like a satellite much higher up in space. It wouldn't need a cell tower could send data directly to your phone and the nice secondary effect. You can have an idea about what that the balloon would be like or this payload to thing underneath it. Which is like this little baby satellite about how you could make it better. Make a new version and have up again in a week. The turnaround time for satellites is five to ten years. Think about the learning loop of one week compared to five. Five to ten years. Ester hopes that Xs loon project could be a way to get internet access to millions of people all over the world who don't have it and get it to them through a network of balloons floating around the world. So for years now asked her and his team have thrown themselves at the challenges of this idea learning really fast and expecting even hoping to fail. So since two thousand twelve the loon team has prioritized the work that seems the most difficult and so the most likely to kill their project. And we're going to fly over places like Indonesia for real service testing this year. The only way to get people to work on big risky things. A Dacia ideas and have them run. It all the hardest. Parts of the problem. I is if you make that the path of least resistance for them, we work hard at X to make it safe to fail. They get applause from their peers, hugs and high fives from their manager me in particular. They get promoted for it. We have bonus every single person on teams that ended their projects from teams smallest to two teams of more than thirty. We believe in dreams at the moonshot factory. But enthusiastic skepticism is not the enemy of boundless optimism. It's optimism's perfect partner it unlocks the potential in every idea. Thank you very much. Tiller checkout. His entire talk on X at Ted dot com. More ideas about learning from failure in just a minute. I'm guy Roz, and you're listening to the Ted radio hour from NPR. He everyone just two quick. Thanks to two of our sponsors. You help make this podcast possible. I two new smart water alkaline and new smart water antioxidant when you're working up a sweat doing. What you love Christ smart water alkaline with nine plus ph for hydration or smart water antioxidant with added selenium, same great, purity, you can taste migration. You can feel smart water. That's pretty smart. Thanks also to e-trade investing your money shouldn't require moving mountains. No matter how much or how little experience you have each trade makes investing simple along with great value. They provide the tools and support you need to navigate the markets all to help your money. We're hard for you. For more information. Visit eatright dot com slash NPR e-trade securities LLC member SIPC. Some movie season is here and pop culture. Happy hour has you covered for a guide through the blockbusters. You know about an surprise bright spots. You might not we'll tell you what we are looking forward to what we're secretly dreading. And what might sneak up on us? Listen, now, and subscribe. It's the Ted radio hour from NPR. I'm guy Roz and on the show today ideas about failure in why failure can be good for us. Even though when you're the one doing the failing he can feel pretty horrible intimidate. You just mentioned here that I'm terrible with failure. You know, like every time I've had a failure in life. I don't want to talk about it is that being terrible though. It's perfectly natural for failure to really hurt. That's just being human being. There's nothing wrong with that. This is Tim Harford. He's in a communist and journalist who wrote a book about failure to be terrible with Fania is either to be so scared of it that you never do anything interesting or alternatively to be so terrified of admitting it that you continue with a disastrous course of action, and you just continue to fail because you keep telling yourself, you don't failing that to me is what it means to be terrible with failure. And Tim says people. Who are terrible at failure. In this way, suffer from something known as the God, complex ideas. Some people have that they're not fallible that they're the experts. Here's Tim on the Ted stage. I see the God complex around me. All the time in my fellow economists. I see it in our business leaders. I see it in the politicians. We vote for people who in the face of an incredibly complicated world on nevertheless, absolutely convinced that they understand the way the world works. And this man Archie Cochrane understood. This is what has anybody Archie was a doctor? So he hung around with doctors Allott and doctors suffer from the God complex a lot. And there's this one trial. He ran many years after World War Two what he wanted to test out. The question of why is it that patients should recover from heart attacks, should they recover in a specialized cardiac unit in hospital. Or should they recover at home? All the cardiac doctors try to shut him down. They had the God complex in spades. They knew that their hospitals for the right place for patients, and they knew it was very unethical to run any kind of trial or experiment. Nevertheless, aren't you managed to get permission to do this? He ran his trial and after the trial had been running for a little while he gathered together all his colleagues around the table. And he said, well, gentlemen turns out you're right. It is dangerous for patients to recover from heart attacks at home. They should be in hospital, and there's this uproar and all the doctor stop pounding the table and saying we always said you're unethical Archie you're killing people with your clinical trials, and there's this huge hubbub out. She lets it die down. And then he says, well, it's very interesting gentlemen. Because when I gave you the table of results, I swapped the two columns around it turns out, your hospitals killing people, and they should be at home. Would you like to close down the trial now or shall we wake until? We have rebuffed results. How can we do that kind of thing because he understood that uncertainty that fallibility that being challenged? They heard. I wonder if this guy complex thing happens like less and less nowadays in like, an insci- and technology because people seem to be better at embracing failure. Like what we just heard from Astro teller right in Silicon Valley failure is a badge of honor. Yes. Silicon Valley typifies that the idea of evolving website, or any of the other things you can evolve through trial and error that feels quite safe and some people embrace that and say great we can fail ten thousand times before breakfast. And and find the perfect solution. And I think one of the wonderful opportunities. We have in the world today is that in many areas, it's never been quicker or cheaper to run experiments to fail on an incredible industrial scale. Let's say you wanted to make detergent, let's say Unilever and you want to make detergent in factory near Liverpool. How'd you do it? Well, you have this great big. Tank full of liquid detergent, you pump it at a high pressure through a nozzle you create a spray of detergent, then the spray dries it turns into powder it falls to the floor. You scoop it up. You put it in cardboard boxes you sell it at a supermarket. You make lots of money. How do you design that Nosal? Now, if you ascribe to the God complex, what you do is you find yourself a mathematician, you find yourself a physicist somebody who understands the dynamics of this fluid, and he will or she will calculate the optimal design of the nozzle. Now Unilever did this and it didn't work too complicated. But the geneticist professor Steve Jones describes how Unilever actually did solve this problem trial and error variation and section. You take a nozzle and you create ten random variations on the nozzle. You. Try out old ten you keep the one that works best. You create ten variations on that one. You try and old ten you keep the one that works best. And after forty five generations, you have this incredible nozzle looks a bit like a chess piece functions absolutely brilliantly. We have no idea. Why? Why it works? No idea tool. The moment you step back from the complex, and you say that's just trying to bunch of stuff. Let's have a systematic way of determining what's working, and what's not you can solve your problem. But the thing is that when you're in a situation where you can't test something over over and over again, then then the stakes seem so much higher. Right. Because you you don't get a do over. Yeah. It's very common. When you look at anything from people investing in the stock market to professional poker players to people who play the game show deal. No deal. They all exhibit something called loss aversion. It's just this disproportionate anxiety. I'm losing this game. I went wrong somewhere. We hate admitting that and selling shares in Lehman Brothers or whatever and getting out at a loss. We hate that out of all proportion to what the actual loss really years. And I think that is one of the reasons why people just keep on in a failing situation, which is which is pretty understandable. Right. Because I mean a failure can be debilitating. Especially if it's if it's a public failure. Like a career damaging failure. Yes. And sometimes I think it really helps to try to take the emotion out of the situation as really struck by the experience of the great choreographer twyla Tharp who would Billy Joel and produce this musical moving out about ten years ago. It was two thousand and three I think, and it was a complete disaster. All overview has said it was awful. It was naive. She could have just killed up into the fetal position and said, oh, everybody hates me. But instead she said, okay, I want to fix it. And so she just went through all of us, and she turned them into a spreadsheet a checklist. How are we going to fix these things? Take them off one two three four just take them off. And in a few weeks the show was enormously better round for years. One two Tony awards, and the critics couldn't believe it. But it was she just viewed it almost as an engineering problem. And that was when she stopped the process of fake. Alling and started the process of fixing everything. I want to be sort of banging on about this for the last couple of months and people sometimes say to me, let him it's kind of obvious now, obviously, China number was very important. Obviously experimentation is very important. Now, why you want you just wandering around saying this obvious thing. Let's say, okay, fine. You think it's obvious. I will admit it Soviets when schools start teaching children that there are some problems that don't have a correct answer. Stop giving them lists of questions every single one of which has an answer. And there's an authority figure in the corner behind the teacher's desk. Who knows all the answers. And if you can't find the answers, you must be lazy or stupid when schools stop doing that all the time. I will admit that. Yes. It's obvious that trial and error is a good thing. When a politician stands up campaigning for elected office and says, I want to fix our health system. I want to fix education system. I have no idea how to. Do it. I've got a half a dozen ideas. We're going to test them out. They'll probably all fail, then we'll test some other ideas out. We'll find some that work. We'll build on those. We'll get rid of the ones that don't when a politician campaigns on that platform. More importantly when voters like you and me a willing to vote for that kind of politician. Then I will admit that is obvious that China never works. And that thank you. Philon until then I'm gonna keep banging on about Tronto era, and why we should abandoned the gold complex, and since I started talking about this subject research from this subject. I've been really haunted by something. The Japanese mathematician said on the subject so shortly after the war this young man, Utica, tiny armor, develop this amazing conjecture called the tunnel. Shimura conjecture it turned out to be absolutely instrumental many decades later in proving Fermat's last theorem prove one you prove the other. But it was always a conjecture Tom tried and tried and tried and he could never prove that it was true. His friend got a Shimoda who worked on the mathematics with him many decades later reflected on Tony Armas life. He said he was not a very careful person as a mathematician, he made a lot of mistakes, but he made mistakes in a good direction. I tried to emulate him. But I realized it is very difficult to make good mistakes. Thank you. Tim Harford is in the communist and an author. You can see his entire talk at Ted dot com. So as Tim was saying trial and error and experimentation those are the kinds of failures you can recover from with time. But Casey, Gerald interested in different kind of failure, the deeply personal kind the kind of failure that forces you to ask yourself some really big questions. I've been courageous enough to live have been courageous enough to be honest. Casey says the answers to these questions kind of make him feel like a failure certainly do which might sound strange because unpaid labor he has accomplished a lot. He grew up really poor. He was an orphan for most of his childhood, but he made it to Yale and Harvard Business School. He got jobs on Wall Street and then in Washington, and he even started his own nonprofit group. If you were just to write down like the timeline of your life. I don't know if anybody would be able to see failure in in those things. Oh, you know, I think about the resume virtues of the narrative of my life. And I think if we look at those as the measure of success or failure than we've kind of missed the point because I think a lot of folks myself included who can be on paper, very successful in be completely debt. Casey story is about what happens when you chase success and achieve it only to find out it doesn't feel like success at all. And this is story that began one night when Casey was twelve years old. It was sitting in a pew at his mainly black Baptist church in east Texas waiting for the messiah to come. There. We were KC picks up the story from the Ted stage. So Zain bodies packed into Texas church when last night of our lives. This number thirty first nineteen ninety nine the night of the second coming of Christ and the end of the world as I knew it. We had ten minutes left in. My pastor called us out of the pews down to the altar because he wanted to be praying when midnight struck. Every faction of the congregation took its place choir state in the choir. Stand the deacons in their wives or the Baptist bourgeoisie. Is. I like to call. Took first position in front of the altar. You see in America? Even the second. Coming of Christ has VIP section. Right behind the Baptist bourgeoisie where the elderly. These men and women whose young backs have been been under hot sons in the cotton fields of east, Texas, and whose hopes and dreams for what life might become outside of these Texas is sometimes been bent and broken even further than their Beck's. Yes. These men and women they awaited their whole lives for this moment. Just as my grandmother waited for the Oprah Winfrey. Show to come on channel eight everyday if four o'clock, and there she made her way to the altar snuck right in behind the because I knew for sure that my grandmother was going to heaven, and I thought that if I held onto her hand might go right on with. So I held on and I closed my. The prayers got louder and the Oregon roll down into air to the dirge. And the heat que Mon to air to the sweat in my hand grip firmer. So I wouldn't be the one left in the field in my eyes clinch tighter. So I wouldn't see the we being separated from the chaff and then avoid rang out above us. A man. It was over a looked at the clock. It was after midnight. I looked at the L D believers who save you head not come who were too proud to show any signs of disappointment who had believed too much in for to loan to start doubting now. But I was upset on their behalf. They had been duped hoodwinked bamboozled, and I had gone right along with. I appreciate their prayers. I had yielded not temptation as best. I could I dipped my head not once but twice in this not inducing baptism pool. I have believed. Got home just in time to turn on the television and watch Peter Jennings announced the new millennium is a rodeo and around the world. And it struck me that it would have been strange anyway for Jesus to come back again and again based on the different time zones. This made me feel even more ridiculous. Really? Why can trace the whole drama of my life back to that night in that church must save. You did not come for me. And I held out my hand reaching for something to believe in. I held on. When I arrived at Yale at eighteen with the faith that my journey from cliff Texas was a chance to leave behind all the challenges. I had known when I found myself with my face planet in the flow. In a burglar's gun pressed in my head. I knew that even the best education couldn't save. I held on when I showed up at Lehman Brothers as an intern in two thousand eight. So hopeful that. That I called home to inform my family that we'd never be poor again. But as I witnessed this temple of finance come crashing down before my eyes. I knew even the best job couldn't save me. I held on when I showed up in Washington DC as a young staffer who had heard a voice, call out from Illinois saying changes come to America. But as the congress ground to a halt in the country ripped at the same hope and change began to feel like a cruel joke. I knew even the political second coming could not say I had knelt faithfully at the altar of the American dream praying to the gods of my town success money. Pile but over and over again, midnight struck now opened my eyes to see that all these gods were. I mean is he gonna reach from like one kind of temple to the next. What were you searching for? What was the thing? That was calling you. I think in many ways what call me was I wanted to. Matter. I think that's a pretty fundamental. I wanted to not be sort of throw away kit that than have parents didn't have any money. You know, I mean. Wanted to be somebody I suppose, and I looked externally for there was a manual how to be somebody in America one. Oh, one, you know. You know? And I had no idea how to do that. Casey, Gerald will continue his story after the break. More ideas about success and failure in just a minute. I'm guy Roz, and you're listening to the Ted radio hour from NPR. Hey, everyone just a quick, thanks to our sponsor gain bridge. The bold way to steady growth people often think annuities too conservative too complex or only for retirees. But annuities can be a smart way to hedge market risk and earn guaranteed returns. Gain bridge aims to change the game by offering simplified annuities. A sleek digital experience that replaces fine print phone tag with clear conditions and a direct low fee model. Learn more at gained bridge dot life slash NPR. Gained bridge is not available in all states. Support also comes from Dulles International Airport with a dedicated in toll free airport access highway from the beltway. I a d means it's accessible to DC with the highest on time takeoff percentage of any airport on the east coast. I d means I'm already departing and with nonstop flights to more than one hundred thirty five destinations AD means. I'm already at my destination. More at fly. Dell dot com slash fast. Support also comes from the Walton family foundation where opportunity takes root more information is available at Walton family foundation dot org. Hi off your Eisenberg here, host of NPR's. Our of puzzles were games and trivia asked me another this month. We're celebrating women in comedy and this week were joined by Reta, you may know her from her role on NBC's parks and recreation or her new series, good girls. Listen and subscribe now. It's the Ted radio hour from NPR. I'm Cairo's it on the show today ideas about learning from failure and had to think differently about what happens when you don't succeed. And we've been hearing the story of Casey Gerald who did succeed a lot. He went to Gail and Harvard worked on Wall Street and in Washington, but all of this was somehow unfulfilling Casey felt like he was just chasing the success and the money in the power. So he decided to start a group to get MBA students to spend their summers helping other people with small social enterprises and finally Casey felt like he had a sense of purpose. There was no life to which I would not go to preach this gospel to get more people to believe that we could bind the wounds of a broken country one social business at a time. And then one night all of that was put into question. TC picks up the story on the Ted stage. It began one evening almost a year ago at the museum of natural history in New York City that a of for alumni of Harvard Business go there was pride in a room where net worth and assets. Under management surpassed half a trillion. Looked over all that we have made. And it was good. But it just so happened two days later I had to travel up the road to Harlem, I found myself sitting in an urban farm that had once been vacant lot listening to a man named Tony tell me of the kids that showed up every day all of them lives below the poverty line some of came to Tony's program called Harlem grown to get the only meal they had each day. Tony told me that he didn't give himself a salary because despite success the program struggled for resources. He told me that he would take any help that he could get now was there as that help. But as I left, Tony I felt the staying and saw of tears well enough in my. And it wasn't the glaring inequality that made me want to cry. It wasn't the thought of Hungary homeless kids. It wasn't rage toward the one percent or pity towards the ninety nine I was disturbed because I'd finally realized that I was the dialysis for a country that needed a kidney transplant. I realized that my story stood in for all those who were expected to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. Even if they didn't have any boots. The shame of that. Shame washed over me like the shame of sitting in front of the television watching Peter Jennings announced the new millennium again, and again, and again, I have been duped hoodwinked bamboos. This time the fos- save was made. In that moment, Casey realized something that he'd come so far from that small church in east, Texas, but somehow he was right back where he started. So he's left the organization he'd founded NBA's across America. You are listening to to the journey that you describe. I mean, it's almost like you had to experience things to to begin understand. What it is that you really care about. Yes. Dea, and I've been thinking a lot about Dr king's mountain top speech, you know. And I thought about that part where he says I've been to the mountaintop look dove into the promised land, you know, and. I look at my life. And I say in some ways, you have been to the mountaintop, I looked over until the promised land. And that ain't it. We got we've got to imagine a promise land that is not where you go. And you tell some kid and my neighborhood accomplish something like gale and Harvard go and be a Wall Street investment Bank ago, and, you know, speak Teodoro and do all these things because then you will be saved and most deeply grateful that you know, thirty years almost into this journey. I can say bent to the mountaintop looked in the promised land. That's not it find that promised land at that. Is there for you? Say I've come a long way from that alter on the night. I thought the world would end from a world where people spoke in tongues and saw suffering as a necessary act of God and took a text to be infallible truth. Yes, I've come so far. So I have not a gospel of disruption. Our innovation or triple bottom line. I have an awful a gospel of doubt, the gospel of doubt does not ask that you stop believing. It asks that you believe new thing that it is possible not to believe. Yes. The gospel of doubt means that it is possible that we are wrong. And this doubt if you'll see me gives me hope that when our troubles overwhelms. When the pads laid out for us seem to lead to our demise. It will not be are blind faith. Now, it will be our humble doubt that shines a little light into the darkness of our lives and of our world and lets us raise our voice to whisper. There must be another way. Thank you. Casey, gerald. He's working on a memoir about his life. You can watch his entire talk at dot com. So on the show today, we are learning from failure. And there's something kind of deceiving about failure stories, right because when someone talks about how they failed miserably, you know, that the story is always going to end with the success. I mean, how do people like stand up and say, I'm here to talk about my failures. And by the way, I'm still a failure. I have not succeeded. Right. I think about this. And I write about this all the time. Sometimes there is no rise that narrative of sin, and redemption that we're all hoping for sometimes you just you in your life, and you don't rise at all to choose keep going, and that's more accurate for me than the weird fiction of. Well, I rose from my mistakes. And I heard an angel sound and everything was beautiful. Oh before forget Libya. Can you introduce yourself, please? My name is Lydia which and I'm a writer Lydia wrote a memoir called the chronology of water. And it's about a different kind of failure the kind where you feel like a failure for not fitting in. I think failure is part of all of us about. Yes, I think there's something deeper underneath that. Which is you're not fitting the stories out there that tell you how to be a person have an identity that's harder deeper feeling than just I'm embarrassed. It's a feeling of failure that some of us with time can Burke our way out of. But some of us just can't here's Lydia on the Ted stage. Somewhere in my early thirties. The dream of becoming a writer came right to my doorstep actually came to my mailbox in the form of a letter. That said I'd want a giant literary prize for a short story written. The short story was about my life as a competitive swimmer and about my crappy home life and a little bit about how grief and loss can make you insane. Prize was a trip to New York City to meet big time editors and agents and other authors. So kind of it was the one be writers dream, right? You know what I did the day? The letter came to my house because I me I put the letter on my kitchen table. I poured myself a giant class of ker with ice and lime. And I sat there in my underwear for an entire day just staring at the letter. I was thinking about all the ways I'd already screwed my life up who the hell was I to go to New York City and pretend to be a writer who was I I'll tell you. I was missed fit like legions of other children. I came from an abusive household that narrowly escaped with my life. I already had to ethically failed. Marriages underneath my belt. I'd flunked out of college. Not once but twice, and maybe even a third time that I'm not going to tell you about. But the real reason I think I was misfit is that my daughter died the day she was born. And I hadn't figured out how to live with that story yet. So you see I'd missed fitting into just about every category out their daughter wife, mother scholar, and the dream of being a writer was really kind of like a small sad stone in my throat. When you won that price. Right. And you get this letter. And you're thinking who was I I mean. Yeah. I mean, it's imagine you sitting in your kitchen serve saying, I don't belong there. I'm just a I'm a nobody. Yeah. So I wasn't sitting there feeling like a failure. Exactly. Or a loser. I was just feeling invisible. And worthless. Like, I didn't have proper weight are worth. I mean, I already knew the fact that I was still alive was a giant success. What I didn't know was how to feel worth to others. And so any kind of prize that came my way just made me laugh, and then I have to take myself through the steps of well worth is in everyone, and we have to help each other feel it. And I can kind of get to a place where. Yeah, I could go sit at that table too. It was pretty much in spite of myself that I got on that plane and flew to New York City where the writers are fellow misfits of I you would a loved it. You got to choose the three famous writers you wanted to me. And these guys went and found them for you. You got set up at the Gramercy park hotel where you got to drink scotch late in the night with cool, smart swank people, and you get to meet a bunch of editors and authors agents that vary very fancy, lunches and dinners. So kind of in those first nights in New York. I wanted to die there. I was just like kill me. Now, I'm good. This is beautiful. On the last night. I gave a big reading at the national poetry club. And at the end of the reading Katherine kitty of kitty and card literary agency walk straight up to me and shook my hand an offered me representation like on the spot. I stood there. And I kind of went deaf. It was ever happened to you. And I almost started crying because all the people in the room were dressed, so beautifully. And all that came out of my mouth was I don't know. I have to think about it. And she said, okay, then an walked away. Really dislike almost kind of excruciating difficulty with accepting gestures saying, yes, or yeah. Our opportunities. What's that about? I think for a lot of us who came up through either sadness or abuse or violence. It's true that we couldn't follow the normal patterns that would show you how to get stronger. So we had to make up ways to save ourselves and make it through things and what that breeds in. You is a distrust of anything coming toward you, and you have to learn trust over again, and it's hard. And I realized that that sounds pretty sad to some people. But it's true. It's an inability to just say, oh, thank you. That's amazing. I feel wonderful. For some of us. It's a series of steps we have to go through to even admit we deserve anything. There's a story to be told from that. And it's useful. If I I back the night coach myself teach myself how to want things how to stand up how to ask for the. Let's say you. Yeah. You you belong in the room to the radiance falls on all of us. And we are nothing without each other. Instead, I flew back to Oregon, and as I watched the evergreens and rain come back into view. I just drank many tiny bottles of airplane. Feel sorry for yourself. I thought about half I was a writer. I was some kind of misfit writer. What I'm saying is I flew back to Oregon without a book deal without an agent. And with only a headful heartful of memories of having sat so near the beautiful writers memory was the only prize. I allowed myself. And yet at home in the dark back in my underwear. I could still your voices. They said don't listen to anyone who tries to get you to shut up or change your story. They said give voice to the story only, you know, how to they said sometimes telling the story is the thing that saves your life. Although it didn't happen today that dream letter came through my mailbox. I did write a memoir called the chronology of water in our the stories of how many times I've had to reinvent itself. From the ruins of my choices the stories of how my seeming failures were really just weird ass portals to something. Beautiful. All I had to do was give voice to the story. Now, I am as you can see over fifty. And I'm a writer. And I'm a mother, and I became a teacher. There's a myth in most cultures about following your dreams. It's called the hero's journey. But I prefer a different slightly to the side of that or underneath it. It's called the misfit Smith, and it goes like this even at the moment of your failure. Right. You are beautiful. You don't know it yet? But you have the ability to reinvent yourself. Endlessly. That's your beauty. Your story deserves to be heard because you you rare and phenomenal misfit you new species are the only one in the room who can tell the story the way only you would an I'd be listening. She's the author of the chronology of water and the novel the small backs of children, you can see her. We'll talk at Ted dot com. Hey, thanks for listening to our show about failure this week, our production staff here NPR includes Jeff Rodgers Brent Falkman making came Eva grant, and some of Michigan poor was help from Daniel Shchukin. Our intern is Rachel Faulkner. Thanks to our partners at Ted Cruz. Anderson Kelly stencil and Janet Leigh I'm guy Roz, and you've been listening to ideas worth spreading right here on the Ted radio hour from NPR. This message comes from NPR sponsor Comcast. Comcast values your time. That's why you can schedule to our appointment windows, including nights and weekends that way. You can spend more time doing what you love. Comcast working to make things. Simple easy. And awesome.

NPR Casey Gerald Roz Google writer America Tim Harford Ted Cruz Astro teller New York City Texas China Oregon Lehman Brothers Peter Jennings Tony Rice University Larry page heart attacks Unilever
Facebook announces Libra, Section 230 threatened, and RCS in the hands of Google

The Vergecast

1:17:11 hr | 1 year ago

Facebook announces Libra, Section 230 threatened, and RCS in the hands of Google

"Really data about ourselves all over the internet from our names and ages to our likes and dislikes every digital interaction we have leaves the footprint. So what does that mean for privacy? Samsung next is exploring all things digital in their new series. The end of the beginning from online security to machine learning the future is here, and with it comes a lot of questions. Visit Samsung next dot com slash beginning to get answers that Samsung next dot com slash beginning this upset virtuous. Sponsored by channel you love your local restaurants. What they add the community and for amazing one of flavors channel loves them, too. They power online ordering systems that help your local spots thrive by putting more money right back into their hands so they can keep making delicious food to fuel you in your neighborhood. You're passionate about food, and your community or if your restaurant that creates food. You truly believe in checkout, Chow dot com slash verge. That's Chow dot com slash verge Chow now local flavor rules. Diverge. Facebook's, new libra, crypto currency, Senator, Josh hollies move to amend section to thirty and what is going on with our CSD are actually is a lot of emotions with that. That's a very chace commitment. Hello converged, cast the flagship podcast of the verge podcast situation at this point, what we're trying to do with cast by the way is just have as many of them as possible in one week. Strachey with three set a record. I think this is record three this week. Anyway. I'm neil. I'm your friend, Paul. Miller's here. Hello. Deeter is here. I wish that there was a top level domain. That was hoopla. So we could say that we're the flagship podcast of the verge dot hoopla. I feel like your dream can come true. Just got to start a country acronym is. Addi Robertson is here. Heidi high. There's, there's a lot going on this week. A lot of heavy stuff, some section to thirty things going on someone saying, asong, we're gonna, this is true story. Someone saying me a section to thirty song on Twitter and play that leader for that Facebook wants to crypto currency. I'm gonna just tell the listener this Paul won't tell us what he thinks, but he just keeps laughing and saying, just you wait. So I'm very eager to find out what is in Paul's brain? I saw some tweets, but two things I wanna point out one. We published a gigantic story this week from Casey Newton about Facebook moderators at a contracting facility in Tampa, Florida. You might have seen in the feed, Casey, I did an entire episode about that story. So listen to that we're not gonna talk about here because we Casey, we already had Casey on the show, we talked about at length, and then we also ran Casey's interview of Adam Acerra from Instagram, Andrew boss from Facebook at code early this week. So we, we've already had to have says this is the third one let me know that's too. Many, I, I didn't want to not give people the show they expect on Tuesday with the interview, and we'd already promise it. So we did it. And then the Casey story hit and I thought that was really important. I wanted to give it some space. I guess we're trying more things. Let me know how you feel about it. But that Casey story is really important. I encourage you to read it three monitors actually went on the record with us, and they allowed us to shoot video them talking, what it's like to moderate, Facebook supplies, watch out, that's on YouTube channel. Listen to that podcast, the story it's all there. Okay. That's, that's that stuff. But now we gotta talk about ca- LeBron libra from Facebook. We had a talk about Josh hollies Bill to do something. It's Addy made a face. We're talking about that. A lot of stuff talk about. But I wanna start with something much sillier some gadget news in its way, which is that we as a, as a society in decided that we should put computers and everything. Yes. And then now, everything has computer problems, like classic nineties computer problems. And so I just wanna start. With Samsung tweeting this week that everyone with a Samsung smart TV should periodically dig through the menus and launched the virus scanner on television. Yeah. Now, I didn't know this is true, by the way, they tweeted this with video like how to video like your TV is a computer to make sure you periodically. Check it for viruses, and then, like, click through the many isn't the thing it was hilarious. We, the whole, inter after that we wrote about it, and then they deleted the tweet. Yeah. Which implies that, maybe looking for viruses, TV is perhaps not more important than dealing with the shame of tweeting about it rather have your customers suffer viruses than get dumped on Twitter. Yeah. Okay. If you have a virus scanner on your computer, presumably, you believe that it self get infected. And so when it runs, occasionally, it will be able to properly look for viruses, like who watches the watchmen is exactly, so why not just like. Run it like when the TV is off. It's probably still getting power all these smart TV's. Do why not just a suit as someone like turns out the TV at night, just like wait ten minutes, make sure they're not coming back and then just do it for them. And then tell us if there's a problem. But otherwise, just do it. Why not just do it one? I'm borrow the Microsoft model. What if you're in, like a, the really good last third of TV show, you really enjoying and then exits full screen? Yeah. I mean, look Samsung tease will happily update the advertising that they show they'll do random app dates their computers. Why not on the fire scanner, you get the feeling like they added the virus scanner? They thought it'd be fun. And then someone's like we should tell me about this virus scanner because I don't like there's a lot of ties in TV's out there. Samsung sells a lot of TV's. I just don't think it was fun. I just eating the people can you imagine like the cool, cyber criminal hang out, like all right? You Iowa's big target. Gotta find some zero days windows. Ten gotta stay ahead of Microsoft. That's a huge attack surface. You, you go in the basement and right the ties in virus. Look, I would like to say that literally, the CIA thought this was about to do. That's true. They did. They did a thing where attack it in turn the microphones on. Yeah. They there's an exploit, but then you have to be local. Yes. So if the CIA has been in your house, this is very important. The has been in your home run the virus scanner that must've been when they wrote the virus scanner. Yeah. Probably it would make sense. Anyway, just deeply funny. I just think that the trade off of this was embarrassing. So we did the tweet and now people may not know about the virus scanner that we think they should run is. That's a lot anyway. Yeah. I mean it's no end user license agreement on a paper towel, dispenser, James, insen wrote, this story, there's a paper towel dispenser in the world is only licensed to use torque. TR K, branded paper towels and it will spit out a little receipt, that tells you, so because it has you, it has terms of service, that's too much. You should just go look at that picture. And think about where we are as a human civilization. Yeah. D-. Do you wanna talk with the light bulbs? This is like the third silly one that we could be so G felt like it. Needed to make smart light bulbs. So it did and everything that has a computer needs to be able to be factory reset. Right. Because you want that. And they, they made a method for it, and then they like, wait. This method is stupid. Let's make a different method for it, and they made it just a stupid and method was you like turn it off and turn it on for two seconds, and then turn it off for eight seconds and turn it on and turn it off. And you repeat that some number of times, but instead of just describing this process to you and say repeat it three times they have you watch YouTube video, because that's how all how to content has to be delivered. Now the law where they just they tell you to do it. So the idea is, you're gonna be sitting there with your phone watching it, and, like turn it on turn it off. But watching it out of that context, it's just the most distortion thing ever. It's just a silent video of. Tinkling music in the background person sank, turn it on. So there's a lot of steps of this. Right. Could go through all of them, it would take too long. It'd be painful turned off. There's a limited steps, which which implies that turn it on hand or fewer of these steps were possible that they could happen randomly. Yeah. They didn't while false positives threat. Those dumb kids, always flipping this is exactly what dancing is kids will just flip lights, which is all the time, and they don't want that to happen. That's. Gary, it's totally believe that theory completely, but my suggestion to all future. Smart home. Gadget makers is you have a checklist as a wifi. Do we need? Yeah. Okay. Is there bluetooth? Yes, there's thread. Nobody uses start. We don't need that go down the list. And at the end of the list is, how is it factory reset? And then ask yourself what kind of YouTube video you're going to have to make for the factory? Reset can I just clarify the, the change the old firmware had you turn it on and off thirteen times? The new where has you do it eleven times, and you had to sit there and count it because they didn't just tell you. It's pretty good. Yeah. They should just have a button. I think is the answer. Buttons are catchy pattern shaven haircut. Two bits Doke. Okay. Seconds. Doesn't have to be eight seconds. You just need to. Oh, oh this, which I get it. That's pretty good. What if your kids are like extremely rhythmic then? That's good. It's a reward. It's a reward. My children are. Barbershop. Quartet. All right. Let's paul. Yeah. That's, that's enough fun stuff. Let's talk about Mark Zuckerberg is gonna completely up and the global financial system. So this has been public for a long time pays, we had a huge reward and Kevin wheel who's in charge of Protestants Graham moved over to start a blockchain division of Facebook. So they're clearly going to do something on Tuesday announced with that something is, which is a crypt occurrences. Libra. It is controlled by a twenty-seven member consortium, located in Switzerland, a couple KEB sokaia ball that includes like visa and MasterCard and stripe like a bunch of companies. No banks, notably no banks are involved in this that will be Facebook insist like we're just one voting member of this, even though they're the ones who built it and Facebook is building a wallet for its currency called Kaliba that will be that's the Facebook product and presumably be able to pay for suffer on Facebook with. And that's a subsidiary Facebook and also voting. So I think Facebook ends up with two votes. C C C marks it's two twenty two. In the hope, to, they claim to hope to have a hundred in the in the, the libra association by lunch. I'm Paul a hate to keep people from hearing what you have to. I'm dying area to say, but just to finish it out a thing that is true is that Facebook announced this thing. It was big deal. They said a bunch of stuff about how they wanna work with government regulators, and then literally politicians around the world, like wait. No, don't do that. Right. So like Maxine Waters who's like the house banking committee. She was like I wanna moratorium on this product until I can hold hearings. The finance minister of France was like this seems like another sovereign currency. No, we can't have that in a big distinction between your bitcoins. And this Facebook product is like bitcoins are not classed as occurrence because there's only controlling it's like an asset. But this has this, like, Swiss illuminates situation deciding what other currencies peg it to. So it's a big thing. And so I was tweeting like it seems like face was unprepared for this massive regulatory backlash. And there's a debate and I've heard from some smart, folks. If ace was intimating this backlash and effectively, they left avenues of attack open that they think they can depend, and you have to really believe, as playing forty chess with the world financial system, which is, I think very interesting. So there's they may this big announcement and there's already this immediate sort of global we don't want Facebook control controller currency backlash. Yeah. I don't know about, like forty chest, but there is definitely in throughout all the, their language and their quote white paper and stuff, like very much talk about how willing they are to work with regulators, obviously, as opposed to something like the coin which is not controlled by any one person. It has a vector four control by regulators. You know, the so, so this is a a currency. I don't really think of it as crypto currency, also very interestingly the actual day. Structure underlying. It is not a blockchain. Because as something that and full disclosure on my part, I am huge bitcoin fan. So you should just know that about me, something that bitcoin people point out a lot is that most uses of the blockchain if there, if it's a centrally controlled thing blockchain is an inefficiency really. And so you what you really want is just a high speed high access database because it's centrally controlled. And so, in this case, the issue, a currency libra sociation issues this currency. And it's backed by a basket of assets. And so ideally, they'll be some sort of one to one peg where when you pay in ten US dollars to get ten libra. They add ten use something like something equivalent tenuous dollars to that basket of assets to back the Lieber that you've purchased. But of course, if you're holding a basket of assets, it's obviously central. Because you're not gonna have, you know, a whole you can't globally distribute that or decentralize the holding of, of money. In that way, Paul, let me see if I understand, I'm going to try to say it. See if I understand you can tell me from wrong. So with a regular currency, your Bank, you centralize it, and you can move things around faster because you own the database, and then all the trust is in the Bank like you, as the person holding the currency trust the governor of the Bank that it's going to be there with bitcoin. It's trust less. Right. So there's a spot chain that anybody can read. And so the inefficiency is that you don't eat trust in single entity. Right. Right. Right. I I'm just making sure I had this. Right. So you're saying Facebook is like the libra foundation is the thing that you trust. And so they built it on that model one way to think about is like, how long does it take like a few people to, like, let's pick a random word of the dictionary and get a few people to agree, which which word. You picked, you know, so I picked elephant, okay? Five people we all it's very easy for us to communicate amongst ourselves and decide that. But if you're in a huge room with, like a thousand people, how quickly can you get that information? Everybody in that room, all agree that, that same thing other than just going on stage and announcing over the loudspeaker, which is centralization. So if you want high throughput shared decision making you either want centralization or, or you're screwed. And so. So it's interesting is I don't know, bitcoin people are so stoked on libra and I couldn't even like quite figure it out myself, and I don't really know but it's sort of like Facebook spent billions of dollars. Probably, I don't know how much money they in time they've spent developing this, they developed something I don't think is as good as bitcoin on technical merits. And it doesn't have most of the good properties that people go to bitcoin, four other than like being stable coin, if that's what you want. But it also has this aspect where it makes any like a lot of the alternatives to bitcoin. Look, really silly because they are centralized and they're using blockchain as like a window-dressing. They're saying, hey, look at us, we're decentralized cryptocurrency, but really the actually are just as centralized something like libra, and then also simultaneously. Facebook is going as a full-on challenge against central banks. So they're saying, we want to be a privately held global central Bank that issues its own currency. You see what I'm saying? Bitcoin. Kasit backwell. We're not trying to do that. We're not trying to be that. And but at the same time, you know, Lieber make simple bakes look silly, because, as far as I know they actually Lieber currency is actually backed by something. It's backed by Fiat currencies. But at least. Thanks libra us backed by more imaginary ideas like that's all that's all anything is backed by we agree union exchange. So does the leaper association control who can process currency through this the way that say credit card processing companies can refuse to deal with organizations as far as I know they have full control over what is written to the database, or the, the, the non blockchain blockchain of, of libra is so to join us OC, and it's ten million dollars in that allows you to run of validating note, which is like something, I run my own bitcoin note. I just have a random survey off of new egg for two hundred dollars and I, I value, the bitcoin blockchain, myself at home, but to do that in the for the Facebook model and I think partly to keep high throughput, but also for for their trust model and to be able to accommodate the wishes of regulators and to basically have a blockchain or a database that they can. Change the records of they have a very small set of people running these notes. So here's my big question. If it's not box chain. What is it? It's the Byzantine fault tolerant structure. I don't. I know doesn't that literally described blockchain. He's very different. Blockchain is also Byzantine fault tolerant data stretch. So here here's here's one way to put it Google com is a crypto website because it's backed by a distributed database. I mean it's like, yeah, when I when I go to Google dot com. All sorts of cryptography and a consensus algorithms and stuff like that. But what is interesting about bitcoin is that it's also permission list, which this does not have the aspect of being permission. And they say they can switch it over to be permission list. Right. They, they hoped to one of the things is. So there's this concept of proof of stake. This is something that theorems been trying to do for for a long time. So bitcoin is famously backed by proof of work, which is a very itchy intensive high computation some would say wasteful computers are working very hard to verify the bitcoin blockchain through proof of work proof of stake, just more. Like I'm betting that this blockchain hasn't been hacked. And so, because I don't really understand proof of stake. And partly the problem is nobody's actually solved. Proof of stake in has it like working in a big important cryptocurrency. So in theory is working towards it. And so. Oh, I think similarly, the libra associates claims to be working on proof of stake. And then they hope to maybe move libra to permission lists. Eventually that is a very big pie in the sky claim basically hoping to invent technology and then also get rid of all of their selfish interests that are currently involved. That they can relinquish it to the community when I think, of solving problems that have never been solved for, I think of twenty seven company consortium in Switzerland truly, that's, that's the way to go. Do you think this? We talked a lot of bitcoin compared to with ear. Well, so a theory has the whole concept of smart contracts. It has a compute whole computer language, and you can run more complicated applications on it. And you can make more elaborate ICO's, and which are not really doing very well right now. So there is a smart contracting language for libra. Big also has a smart contracting language. It's just not typically called that and it's very simple and minimal so Lieber has something called move. And so they wrote their currency in this language, called move, and so, theoretically, they can do more things with with move but for now. Developers don't have access to making applications with the move language. And, and as far as I know they're only doing the currency with it. So they might open up more more of the sort of ethereal style utilities, but, but they haven't, but at all that said like ethereal, I think of, and this is where, again, this coming from a big big bitcoin believers to take take that as you will. But I fear has some problems with centralization, and so I do think and also was at Trump or no E, O's, yet, ios also is another smart contract, D blockchain type thing that also has a lot of has something closer to this Lieber model of having a consortium of validating notes. And I those could feel the heat if libra does what they do, and it, does it better, and the centralization is the same if I'm correct about the centralization being the same then that could be a problem for those block. Chains. So I think the technical details here really interesting in, like deeply fascinating in the sort of, like regulators are mad because you've created a new global Bank that issues currency which again, most governments don't like it when you do that to them. So we'll just see how it goes. But on the consumer side of things like Facebook as messenger. They have what's app, they have Instagram, private messages. They're just gonna light it up and say, now you can pay your friends, right? And you have to do it in like Disney dollars or whatever instead of real money, and that's just gonna is going to like the problem with all the other stuff. There's no killer app for bitcoin. Right. Like people aren't really except for that one family of Oxford about them this week, one family that sold all their assets travels around the world and bitcoin, like there's like that there's those folks, but this is just going to be transactional platform for Facebook, an instant scale. Right. We'll so. So bitcoin talks a lot about the, the unbagged some of their examples are like remittance is a big thing. So there is an aspect. That even though we have these centralized banks that theoretically could be running on really streamlined fast and secure databases because they are centralized. They're really bad and slow. And so there's a lot like banks could either get better, or they will, I think be disrupted by either bitcoin or something like libra so like like Western Union or payday loans. I think that's something that Facebook sees it itself competing with, and I think they could actually compete pretty effectively with, and then they also talk a lot about, like people who do not have access to traditional banking for whatever reasons banking has not come to them. And so if libra works better for those people, I think that's I mean, I think that's great. I think that's some of the cool stuff that's happen. Also with, with bitcoin, a lot of people if they if they're in a country in their currency is going bad. They want to, they really kind of wanna get on US dollars. But maybe their government makes that hard or maybe the US government makes. That hard for them to be on US dollars if it's easier on libra or it's easier on bitcoin. I think they will go to those. I just feel like there's something inherently scary about. I'm in a country. You know, the government's topsy turvy the money's going bad. I'm gonna put all my assets against my Facebook password, just feels just riskier than I wanted to write. Of course it's risky is not ideal. But I think you know, if if you don't have any alternative, if Facebook makes it easier to buy libra than it is for you to buy you a dollars or bitcoin that I think Facebook wins on that situation. Yeah. There's just a part of this, where it's such a, it's such a moment of, for Facebook to not have the trust it needs to do something like this, and they're barreling ahead with it, and like that is it's shared Brown in congress was like Facebook is too powerful. Why would we give them our money? And like that's just that's going to set up a series of hearings in inquisitions that they're gonna have to deal with. It also seems like the big. Is going to be out. It's going to be an all the companies that are the countries that use Facebook for internet. It's like the US it has implications. But it seems like it's really scary. When you get to places that already face because the internet, and now Facebook's also your money right in those are what is it? Facebook dot work. Yeah, they face. It runs a non neutral internet for people Facebook services are free and everything else costs money. Like, at some point Facebook is most of your government, right? This is what I'm saying eventually, they'll be one company, and we'll merge it with the government. And that will be great. And the bitcoin will. Also wants an external supreme court. So then they're going to set up a government to run face shadow. Well, they've already the libra consortium, the real govern the world is called libra. I mean this is already away novel. Like, I don't know what we're doing sitting here talking about this, when we could be writing are white novel, making this money right now. It's a right there for you. It is real life by Paul your point about energy consumption. Mary beth. Greg's our science editor wrote a piece. It does appear that Facebook system will be more energy efficient than bitcoin. Disappointed in Torius power hungry. Right. The counter argument from the bitcoin perspective, is that bitcoin harnesses, what is in a sense, sort of, like waste energy? It's energy that is sort of geographically locked in a certain location. Bitcoin. You have to use the cheapest electricity to mind, competitively, typically the cheapest electricity electrobi- that is not usable for powering homes, and in that sense. So while bitcoin uses a ton of energy, it's not necessarily competing for like the high premium difficult to get energy mix. It does as far as how much electricity the two systems, use Facebook's uses Waylon. Yeah. I think the, the sort of growing amount of energy mcqueen's using because it's not like a flat amount, right? It's curving up. So I think the hash rate is actually going up faster than the, the US dollar value of bitcoin all the seems just very much like maybe we should turn it over to a group of bankers in Switzerland. But. All right. I gotta say Tom Warren wrote, a piece like the action in banking tech is very high like apples out with its car with Goldman Sachs kiss. You're wondering if you really wanna trustworthy Bank that golden Sachs, that's the one. Apples. Apples coming out of the car, obviously, apple chemical asks people are very excited about it. A bunch of British banks or showing up in the US, Tom Warner sort a piece about how British are far ahead of the curve, in many places the there's a lot of action and just sort of payments. And I think this is a reflection of once again, how big these companies are they're, they're looking for more ways to just like capture you in on your financial like Trent transaction history is, like deeply important. I will say Facebook. Yeah. There white papers. We'll never use the state F or anything. It's like Facebook. You. No, we believe you, also the they have this. They do this whole rigmarole. You can have sued Nana miss accounts, right? So you can have multiple counts on libra, and they don't have to be tied to your identity. Right. But to sign up for those accounts, you have t- identity because of KYC know your customer anti money laundering laws. So you so, well, your accounts, aren't tidier identity. They are also tied your identity and therefore, always everything you ever do with libra will be exactly traceable to specific. I did okay? Well levers that coming out for a while. We'll see. I mean, by the way, that ten million dollar by much, these companies that consortium, and not even put the money forward, yet lay their conditional like many steps to go. There are undoubtedly going to be, I would say very entertaining government hearings, where the United States Congress is gonna pretend to know but Blockchain's are ready for that. That's great. So we're going to cover it. Close. But I think we've done enough here. So we're a break, come back. We'll talk about whatever is going on in Shali in section two thirty. This episode the verge has brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Are you looking for new job? Maybe like to work from home, or maybe hope, to relocate to a different city. You might even want to job offers travel opportunities and ZipRecruiter has them all the ZipRecruiter app personalizes, your search criteria, so you can find exactly the job you want. It's like having your own personal recruiter helping you find a better job. What's not to love about that. Just download the ZipRecruiter job search app. Let it know the kind of jobs, you're interested in and it starts doing the work ZipRecruiter app finds jobs alike and put your profile in front of employers who may be looking for someone like you. Then if they like your profile ZipRecruiter, let's you know, so if you're interested in the job, you can apply. It's no wonder ZipRecruiter is the number one rated job search app. Download the free ZipRecruiter job. Search apt today with the power of technology work for you. Don't wait the sooner you download the free ZipRecruiter job search up the sooner it can help you find a better job. This upset diverse has also brought to you by net suite by oracle. When you're trying to grow your company, the last thing you want to be is worried about managing a bunch of different business system's a waste of time is trainer resources and ultimately hurts your bottom line. Let's wheat by oracle streamlines process for you there. Easy is cloud platform. You can manage sales finance accounting inventory, HR all in one place. That's we handles every aspect of your business giving you the visibility intro, you need right from your desktop or phone. They'll be optimize processes drive operational excellence and sell across more channels. Because the end of the day, if you don't know your numbers, you don't know, your business is the world's number one cloud business system, used by thousands of the best known brands and fastest growing companies now. It's available to you. You can check out the free guide. Seven key strategies to grow, your profits at net, sweet dot com slash verge. That's net sweet dot com slash verge. Download your free guide seven key strategies degree prophets. Once again. Nets dot com slash verge. Okay. Back addy. You McKenna Kelley wrote a story for us, but center hallways. New Bill, that would drastically change section two thirty which we talk about constantly on the show. It's the law that provides immunity of platform companies from the things are users pest. So once again, I will provide this example when you look at verge webpage, everything that we publish we're liable for, if we get it wrong in everything. In the comments, we are not, because that's user generated content. So section two thirty is the law that keeps us from being responsible for dinner content platforms. Like Twitter, Facebook YouTube, they're all user, generated contents. They're, they're not liable for users pests, but they have thirty gives them the opportunity to moderate that content and takes about stuff at will. Right. Just wanna lay this. That's what thirty says and encourages them to Rick in. It was written so that they would do it. And it was from box chain. Coast in who tweeted about thirty last night. And I re tweeted and I sing it with me and averge reader sang it for me community. That right now. So show me platforms, not quieting. That was no publisher platform stain shoe. I love you Jackson Hayes, just keep that that's in your heart. Right. You've heard the song play one more time. So. So. Klatt. That was no platform, staying Shuman. Okay. That's the law, you understand. That's just too because social media platforms are not required to be neutral, bylaw. Yep. There's no publisher platform distinction by law. That's the that's I had to look it up because I have a hard time, hearing licks. But also there's a beautiful song it was beautiful and again, Jackson, I appreciate you. Thank you for doing that. That's a laws at sans. Now center Holly put out a Bill. It's called the stop internet censorship act now. It's called the ending support for internet sense, and in support for any okay, all the support that we have now, tree internet sensor. So what would this Bill? So what it would do is create a class of very large companies. The intent is very large social media companies that would no longer be eligible for section two thirty protections and less. They were certified by the FTC, and then agreed to not take any action that would discriminate against or suppress. Political viewpoints. So they'd have to file an application, presumably pay for it. Yes. Paige fee. And then the FTC which regulates trade, but that up there within like vote. Yes, I think you, they're trying to create a system where it isn't something that can split purely down partisan lines. But it's still something that they're going to have to vote on. So you have to see his five commissioners, typically three of the majority party into the minority party. So right now, Republicans to Democrats, you submit your application in like you'd have to get three Republicans and one democrat to agree that you are not biased in your moderation. Yes. And your application is a moderation policy that you're proposing. No, it's like proof that you're not doing it. How often do you have to prove it, every two years? Okay. And if one of your moderators something that is politically biased. There's my favorite part, you don't lose your protection. If you name that person publicly in fire what? Yeah. So it's like. How responsibly Facebook me just responsible enough to shame it simplisafe's if they screw up, it's doesn't directly employ. Yeah, it's it's a lot. So here's the first one into section two-thirty, she'll not imply in the case of a covered company in that is, if you have more than five hundred million dollars in revenue, or more than three hundred million users or thirty million in the US. So it's to Twitter Facebook, Google the New York Times, you're, you're saying if that threshold comments because the wording, the us is just the same warning to thirty which applies to newspapers like the times. The New York Times company had more than five hundred million in revenue based on twenty eighteen numbers and it's an or it doesn't say they need a certain user threshold. So I'm just not clear. Why the New York Times comment policy wouldn't fall under this? Okay. So it's very broad. It says these parts of section two thirty shall not apply in the case for cover company. Unless the company has in effect immunity certification from the FTC. The company does not moderate information, provided by other information by other people in a manner that is biased against political party political candidate or viewpoint. So you have to apply to get this, like immunity from liability for what people post and then Facebook has to repeal it's brutal against white supremacy. Right. Because what political viewpoint. So basically, what this Bill would do is it would make Facebook illegal, right? Unless they get the certification because there's no way face can operate or Twitter can offer it or YouTube can operate if there are liable for every single thing that's on their platform. So that, that's the, the threat, right? Either you do this or your business model like exposes you to massive liability. They will just get sued for everything that happens on about a business. So that's the legal system will go out of business and accelerate toward anti LeBron takeover. Though bitcoin. So then there's this one exception, so you have to prove that you're not motivating any political parties. Points including what's Premacy, which is a political viewpoint in action of provider? This is an exception, and action of pride of interactive commuter service, that disrobe restrict access to the information from political parties candidates, or if you points, shall not be considered biased. If the action is a necessary for business. This is the most insane carve out a time like all like the commerce clause. Yeah, that's service or the information is not speech should be protected on their first amendment. The constitution, definitely a thing that platforms are always equipped to handle in all of its nuance. Again. We've been trying to write speech laws, the first time for like over two hundred years, and I would not say we've done a good job like we've, we've stumbled our way towards this point being like Facebook. You figure out what business assessing means under this just seems wholly unworkable? So that's the thing. There's a process. You've gotta do every two years, you got the FTC staff up to handle these applications review cases against it. This is a lot in. It's unclear how big what like does vox media. We don't have revenue. If you wanna get you wanna make it so that we do writing checks. We'll take it off. All this problem like it wouldn't be us, right? We got to do whatever, but the times might fall under other read it went fall, under it. I'm also not clear on how it works with giant conglomerates that include something that may be the service, given that now like three media companies own everything. Yeah. Oh, so like Warner media might fall under this, if it has something that is an interactive service, like which is literally anything that produces user, generated content in terms of section two thirty, and I don't know why it would be different here. So Disney would definitely like if there's if there's a comment section anywhere on a Disney site. Yeah, you have to submit your so that this is a lot, okay? Does this apply only to online? Or does it also apply to like, Disney theme? Parks. They have to they have to make sure that they allow any political speech at Disney theme park, it is interactive computer services. So maybe Disney perk is an interactive computer service, but I don't. Robots moving around you interact with them. Think about it. Think about it, so Addy you tweeted, McKenna store. This is where I was going to start with Attis tweeted McKenna story, whatever it was just. That's all it was. Tell me why you had that reaction to this. It was not. In fact, anything that was in the Bill text. It was that, when he introduced it, he introduced it with a really terrible description of what section to thirty is, which was that with section two thirty tech companies, get a sweetheart deal that no other industry enjoys complete exemption from traditional publisher liability in exchange for providing a form free of political censorship. This has nothing to do with section two thirty song show. That was no platform stain Shuman. So just listen to the song. That's what the law says. Josh Holly is not listen to the song. We can send him the song a burn a CD four. But that's really the thing here. Right. Is the no one is really happy with, how companies are moderating their platforms. I think that's just a truth. Yeah. Right now doing job. I actually agree with Senator Holly. They're not transparent at all. It's, it's a criticism. He has is very, very valid. The conflict is near as I can understand it is that I think the platform should do a better job of moderating by which I mean more more moderation has like a real human cost. Right. That's Casey story. There is a massive human cost moderating these forms. It's destroying people, you should read that story. She listen that podcast it's, it's re- it's harmful to people to moderate these forms. So if you want more, you gotta deal with that. On the other hand, I think Senator Holly, a bunch of conservatives want them to moderate less or. Modern way that favors them. And so you get bills like this, that say a lot of conservative speech, really overlaps stuff you're taking down in. So we're, we'll we're gonna take away the entire the entire foundation of your business. If you don't prove to us, the you're not harming us. And I think that is, that's just deeply intention. Yes. And it's also framed in again away. That does not describe how the locker only works and does not describe it in a way that suggests that there is some kind of legal precedent here that Facebook is failing at that clearly, we have to write this great wrong that we promised them in the nineties, when we told Facebook that which didn't exist. Yes. Tattoo moderate neutrally like it is a really terrible partisan framing this law. So what's interesting about it by can I there is a definition of business associate. I'm gonna read it to you in us, think about the term necessary for business by the way necessary for business, a great album name. If you're starting a band the term necessary for business refers to a lawful act that advances the growth development or profitability of a company, but does not include any action designed to appeal to or gain favor from persons or groups, because of their political beliefs, political party, membership or support for political candidates. See that's just missing. I mean, we're in a climate, where politics has become so necessary for business can CNN down water media now by AT and T certainly over five hundred dollars can CNN have comments on the website can Fox News have comments on the website or read it have are the Donald, which is definitely designed to appeal to gain favor for persons or. Groups because of their political beliefs. That's like very dangerous territory to be. Yeah. I really think that read model is very interesting because you have a in some sense, relatively loose moderation for the overall site. But then you have very tight moderation per sub. Read it because it's user defined moderation innocence. But under this Bill, there's no car out for you. Can let your users moderate themselves, or you could ban all political speech? And that is not discriminatory. Yeah, you just ban it all, which is one outcome. But what if the personal is political? All right. Paul, he just you just keep mining. Whatever you doing over there, within thing. It's interesting to me is it seems like no one likes this Bill. Absolutely. No one. So let's cue this up. Ron Wyden, who wrote to section two thirty does not like it. That is not a surprise move on from that. Just in a mesh, who is a Republican also does not like it. He says the thing that is actually a pretty standard at this point kind of libertarian conservative point, which is that we're bringing back the fairness doctrine, basically that we're now going to create a committee that tells companies that are private companies what they can do politically. Yeah. So he calls it a sweetheart deal for big government. The FTC always gives it self sweetheart, former Republican FTC Commissioner Joshua rights, also calls it death by bureaucrat bureaucratic board or the plaintiff's bar says it might feel good to some conservative politicians, but there will be a terrible hangover for everyday internet users, confusingly gab. The less moderation the right way Twitter closed. That's. Twitter at it. Yeah. Anyway, so I posed it and said it was terrible. And then I think it didn't realize that there was actually that this was only supposed to apply to big companies. So then someone pointed out it out and took it back. And now they say they support it. Good. Good. God is like we admit we will never have three hundred million users her hundred does this does lineup with gab slick stated moderation policy, which is nothing. It's only year. Nothing outside of legal free speech. Okay. And then a bunch of Democrats also think it's done. Yes. Like mostly, obviously, it's interesting hollies Republican Republicans thing it's done. I will say this. I mean a give him credit for this. I do not think he wrote this Bill, expecting it three taken serious. It is so over the line like it is unworkable. I don't even know how the I don't even know why it's the FTC doing it. It's like a conversation starter. Yeah. I think I think people are angry that they don't how the company's work in. This is a way to, like, move the window of. We will just take two thirty away from you. Right. Like here's a Bill that would just take it away from you, unless you do it. We want in might this prompt companies to start being more transparent about their policies. It prompt companies be more censoring about who's doing the work. I think Casey story is two stories. One heavy everyone this week prove the point fairly conclusively that no one knows how these companies work, or who these people are what their working conditions are like in more transparency is desperately needed there, because people are horribly mistreated. So, like I'll give him the credit. Right. I'm being very charitable because I think this bills ridiculous. But the most charitable reading is he doesn't expect this we taken. Seriously? He expects a lot of people that are talking about, how would you take away to thirty or how'd you demand transparency? That is the most charitable reading of what do you think the weird thing is that as far as my read of the Bill is it doesn't really talk that much about transparency like it mentions the certification process but it does not seem focused on that at all. Like the less charitable read is that he doesn't expect it to pass, but he's trying to score points, right? He's trying to score the conservative speeches unfairly biased against platforms points. Yes. I mean, they could just ride a law-making Twitter legal, which is something I would. But like that's effectively, where they're going either you do it. We want our we'll make your business legal. And it has the kind of means testing. That's like the punish Facebook method Roach Elizabeth. Warren also has in a slightly different way. We're trying to create ways that we can just carve out these. Like three companies and make them pay. Paul. We've talked we've talked about on the show a lot about this. How do you feel about a panel of Federal Trade commissioners reviewing moderation policies in deciding, if they're fair to speech or not yet, my, my litmus test for a one of my litmus test for law is does the government do more than it's doing right now or less? And it's this sounds like a more so substantially for like one of the clauses like the will staff appropriately for this. And that's like Facebook has fifteen thousand moderators. I do think it's interesting like you said, like if it's a conversation start, like, have you ever heard of the McDonald's principle? If you're with a group of friends that you can't decide where to go out to eat, you suggest McDonald's, it, everybody's like sh that's terrible idea. But sparks ideas, people have alternatives, because of course, they could beat McDonald's. So I maybe people. It's an interesting. It's also it's bringing up this idea of there being like that in a sense, like everything is speech and that you when you are publishing platforming, call it. Call it would you win? You play the song again. Do it. Where do you host content whether or not you created it, right? It is in a sense speech, and I think that's interesting. I don't want to have some sort of bonkers like legal bonanza of liable. But I do think that I interesting way to think about it. But something that all this talk about section two thirty no matter how many times people get it. Wrong lie. I do think is made people think more about that concept. But obviously the solution is decentralized open source communication protocols. Her fact. So what happens next here. It seems like probably nothing. Yeah. Alternately. It seems like. Yeah, maybe someone else will introduce a Bill that competes with this. Maybe it will be like net neutrality or phone unlocking or a few other sort of hot tech issues where everybody just cycles through trying to find their version, and then maybe eventually something passes, although now it seems. Like nothing ever passes. That's the way it goes. You can see how Ron Wyden, who is said to us, like they don't start doing a better job. We will figure out ways to change to thirty like he's maybe he's going to be like Josh. I'm assuming centers themselves for first name, Josh, get in my office. And Josh like run like this Bill is a mess. But I like where heads like is, is it that or is it this is just ridiculous? Go home, Josh Holly. I'm not sure I'm because I'm not really sure how much you can work. When the goal here is clearly, not to find a workable version of section two thirty it is based purely on getting the outcome that you want. Yeah, so I if we're taking charitably, maybe, and if we are taking it really charitably, then we could have a version of this, that is focused, actually, on the transparency aspect, that is about if you have this, if you're really big, and you do a lot of moderation, we need to have some kind of system wherein, you will tell us how all this stuff works. Yeah. I think the fundamental conflict is some people want the buy from small. Eight more in the other side wants water less in this laws, the focal point, what were you gonna say Paul, I think one interesting, I don't know how to make this law, and definitely don't know how to make this law involving less government, but I feel like a concept. That sounds fair to me is that when you make your first post on a site, there are terms and conditions for that content. And I feel like those terms and conditions should apply in perpetuity for that content, like if they changed the rules later and they've got new rule, like I feel like that somehow the framework of at least how what seems intuitive fair because when you when you offer content to a platform, you have some sort of. And it's obviously wrong, but you have some sort of sense that this is mine, and will remain the same at quite know how to articulate like there's gonna be trouble with in that case, the fact that there are just spammers and very clear. Bad faith actors that are constantly trying to game the rules and it seems like if the issue is that you can't retro like you can't Volve these things as tech evolves. And as people you get into this game than you're gonna kind of end up being stuck with an unworkable platform. My answer is that the, the way solve it with us government is more competition, and hence, you break them up. Okay. Fact, but it is also true at point that was with Warren's proposal, the break up these companies is literally, like the same kind of if you're this big and had this many people were breaking you up in like, there's only three companies I will say that hers is a little bit clearer on their literally only being three of those companies. Yes, five hundred million in revenue, is obviously that is a very large number for any reasonable person. But that's not like Facebook levels of huge. That's true. It is interesting. We should ask Hollywood. He thinks the times Josh Holly, get on the show. We'll see we make that happen. Okay. We're taking a break. We'll come back the RCN. Yes, it's gonna be wonderful. This episode. The verge cast is brought to you by you technology and identity a new podcast brought to you by octa. The world is continually shaped by new emerging technologies. And gadgets, you is about identity in the present day. And how technology affects every aspect of it hosts Claire l Evans explores things like how dating apps it affected. Our idea of love and have technologies change to we consider family in each episode. She speaks with experts in the fields of science technology. Art, fluffy and design search for you. Cohen technology identity by octa. That's okay. TA and start listening today. Wherever you get your podcasts. This is Karen wisher. I wanna tell you about my podcast Rico decode every week, we have candid in depth conversations with people like Alon, musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin. We talk about how they got to where they are today, and how their work is changing our world. New episodes of Rico decode are released every Monday and Wednesday. And we often have bonus episodes on Friday. Subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. All right, Paul every week, my friend. There's a segment renowned for its consistency naming just can't find matab. Every week is that the name of the segment. I just can't find the tap. I, I broke down a lot of notes for Lieber this week and smell. I lost my notes for the segment. They do every week, which is called now. That's a smart kid. It's about Microsoft and Kano are teaming up for like a DIY a build your own windows. Ten P C kit. And I just really liked to imagine a child, Bill, the kind of looks a little bit like an oil PC. But the, the, the screen part, is, is detachable very thick tablet with touchscreen, and in the back, you can see how it's put together. It's basically a very large raspberry pi like thing connected to very large battery. And a speaker. I mean, the thing is, is that the assembly is you're plugging speaker into this board you're plugging a battery into the sport, and then you're putting into a case, and then you're booting up and already runs windows at. I'm not saying that they are lying to children. But what did you really build? What would you have them do I a manual where you can write your own windows, ten curl from scratch, and then you boot it and see if it works. And if you got it wrong, you go back to the start there already made like a Lennox version of this thing about one from any sniffy. That's, that's why the segment and the ally is called. Now that's a smart. That's why it's been consistently called smart kid for. So. Exactly. I love this thing is what I've decided it's really cute. Like they're yes, you can build a PC. I doubt many children have access to the money required to build a great PC right now. So having cheap version of you can build a PC, which was like, ally, started doing stuff is awesome. If you are a caring and enthusiastic parent, I say for three hundred dollars. Now, this is great. And if you have a ton of money, get one of these two, but if you have three hundred dollars you and your child can go on new dot com or part picker, you can get a great PC for three hundred dollars and then plug it into one of those four K displays it's like twelve dollars at Costco that tracks everything that you do. Come with a windows, tennis license. The popular operating system windows. Ten S. I hope. All right. Yeah. Our CS there's a bunch of Google Google in. I would say, yeah. Google Google in alert the place last week. So our CS rich communication services. The GSA may approved spec for placing short message service, SMS has had a bad roll out. No one is using it all the carriers are doing it. The carries it, arguing it half of them are using their own proprietary version of CS, and that's something that's compatible with the quote unquote, universal profile. And it's been a mess, so Google which spent the last year. And presumably year before that trying to get everybody on board and it ready to promise that support it, but they never actually did it is just going to do it itself, which is going to offer our services to any Android user. They're gonna start small in the UK in France and they're gonna roll it out to other countries. And eventually, if you have an Android phone, you can install Android messages, and have Google provide your texting services instead of your carrier thing. Everybody wants. Except that it's not encrypted. Does this mean they could make a Google RC's iphone app, and it would work because they're just running the service anyways. So the answer to that question is probably not currently our CS is modelled on using your phone number as your identity, and that means that everything has to run through whatever your sim card is attached to because that is that phone number is the key thing that identifies you in theory, they could in the future do something like what apple does and create a database online that associates your phone number with Google ID, and then it will be able to distribute it via that Google ID, but they haven't announced that yet because they don't want to get sued into oblivion by the EU, and maybe they're not even thinking about doing it. I don't know. But right now, our CS works literally app to app, like, if I want to text, you, Paul my entered messages absense push notification to your phone, and if your phone gets it, and you have Android messages and messages. That push notification just like if you got a Netflix push notification, and it'll say, oh, yeah, I'm awake. I'm here. Yeah. I have our CS cool. And then we'll start talking directly to each other are CS, if you don't have our CS that text that push notification will hit your phone, and just like gig Noord, and then entered messages on my end it will be like sad panda. And then send you a regular text message all of which is to say it's a decentralized system that depends on like actual phone numbers to work, which means that you're not gonna be able to have multiple devices that you can text from unless you like do whacky QR code things that QR code stuff, like fundamentally mirrors your phone, right? Yeah. Pretty much. That's like WhatsApp used to work. So you said it's not encrypted it is not end to end encrypted. It is encrypted in transit just like you know, going to a website, but it's not encrypted at rest on the server. So the on your on the server where it goes through to get to the other person like the company that owns server, Ken. Look at it. We don't know what carriers data retention policies are Google's data retention policies. Are we deleted as soon as we know that you've received it? And we you know, get rid of meta data in some short time period as well. But it might hang onto files for just a little bit longer because, you know, you might like close the chat that wanna go back the next aid, like re look at that gift for re download that file or whatever. Yeah. Can I turn on encryption? There is no technical reason that you could not build an encryption system on top of our CS doing. It would mean a couple of things you'd have to figure out what the right system is. And it would be complicated. You'd have to decide whether or not, you would try and do what our CS does right now, which is get everybody on board with the GSA may to agree on a standard and last, but not least if you're Google, and you're talking about encrypting every single message on every single Android phone. The platform that owns eighty five percent of the world market. Will you be able to stand up to the? Pressure from let's say all all the country's not wanting you to do it. Countries wouldn't do that dealer taking. So this is not quite the I messaging of Android, that we have been intimating it is not. Although like is a default way it's a default way to get half decent pretty good text messaging that has read receipts and typing indicators and better pictures. That will be universal have reactions. I don't know eventually in that respect, it may become popular enough to, like pressure apple to support our CS someday. And it will be an upgrade relative SMS, but that is a pretty low bar where I'm at like, I don't know what else Google could do. They might conspiracy theory is that this was their plan all along. They just couldn't execute it because people would have gotten mad. And so they just they waited until all the carriers like screwed it up and didn't implement it, and then, like, well, I guess we gotta do this, because everybody wants us to fine, and that's the next step is going to start lighting it up in different countries and see if anybody gets mad, but yeah, like three years ago five years ago with hangouts if you know what I want to do what I what Google to do is invent a time machine. Go back in time and not screw hangouts up right back in time. And not screw G chat up. But given where they were in two thousand fifteen is like hangouts like lost the thread, and got really weird and they didn't know what they're doing, like, there's no other resets of. Able to them. They tried to reset with, like a Google service, that was called alo and all of seven people used, it aloe is not an option either. I mean, I like I was if he turned out an incognito chat, but, but it was not default encrypted that to me is like the I mean, you, you have switched to an iphone because this is table stakes now right like, yeah, I'm just not gonna use a messaging services and the thing that I believe is the default should be end encrypted. And so that's why Allah wasn't like acceptable, as you had to go and install an app, and then you had to switch it into incognito. Whatsapp is great. It's another cryptic, you know, signals even better. That's my that's my preferred messaging app. If I can get anybody to use it the only people that have been able to get to use it, my wife because she loves me and Paul, because he loves me. No. That's it. What happens next? What happens next is it gets lit up in the UK in France, the next week or two. And then we see if anybody notices. Because they're so distracted by Brexit that, like, the, the government will noticed. Yeah. Probably they also like there's a budget like there's a bunch of carriers in those countries like the big ones that have already implemented our CS, if your carrier does runs our CS on its own, like, Google, just let them continue to do that. It doesn't care. It doesn't it. So that's like how it's proving that it's not taking business away from carriers by doing this, but there's a bunch of like smaller carriers and envy knows and whatever that, like, you know, they look at the cost, it'll take to, like rent a jibe server from Google or like build their own and whatever. And like I don't want to spend that that's stupid. I that I don't want to spend that money, Google, you just handle this for us in Google's like, sure. Yeah. Well, there is an aspect where the US is largely I- message. Yep. Everywhere else is largely. What's happened telegram? China is we chat like where where is our CS look sorely needed everywhere and nowhere. I guess is how I put it. What sorely needed is like replacing SMS with something that's p based, right? It was something actually good. And that's, that's the whole thing is like, if, if all the carries just got together like we're upgrading SMS and like we're all going to do it in twenty nineteen. And by the way, Google also supporting it on Android. And we hope apple gets on board because they're going to have to everyone been like cool. See if you do it, but the thing that makes us really complicated is the carriers weren't doing that. They were content to have SMS continue to suck and Google had tried literally everything else possible in messaging, and so they wanted to do this. And so it was Google that was pushing this everyone's thinking of this as a Google service, and they're like, no, it's not. But, you know, now it is because they're going to offering services to people. This is a sad story. I'm sad. I'm excited. I think they got support the phone level to write individual phones after support it. And now that there's like some guaranteed, there's in our CS server on every person, every carrier can address I feel like the phones will come along. And that's a good thing. Yeah. So actually, the phones don't have to support it anymore right now. Carriers are proving phone by phone, but in this new model all of our CS happens in the quote unquote, API k space, so it's just like it's just an app and the app becomes default SMS client. And it just listens for the push notification from other Android messages apps. So like before this, I think there was like some security stuff where like they didn't want other, you know, things to take over us a mess, but Google just like, well, we, we could just do this. So we're just going to do it. Yeah. AP case based sounds like a great co working office for Android. Api case. Idea. I mean, this whole story is sort of a narrative, like, I'm really at the what, what, what my phone number is basically useless. I've got a sim card, right? But that's like it's almost like a like a billing convenience, you know, like we know which device used like four gigabytes of, of YouTube, you know, like, but, like, basically, I just want devices and I want them to have access to the internet. But this whole sim card phone number tight relationship with the phone carrier. I it seems outdated and useless counterproductive at this point. It also means that desktop like I use J chat on desktop use chat on desktop so much. And it sounds like this is really just trying to kill that yet. Well, you can do it with the QR code thing, they're not trying to kill it. They, they, they don't know how to make it work that they don't they tried it. No unused. It. So. Right. And they don't own all the servers like apple does. Yeah. So hoping I wrote a piece predicting the death of the phone number twenty? It didn't it didn't it didn't happen. Just putting that out there. One more Google thing happened this week. Oh, yes. So apparently they had two tablets that they were working on and computer world. And then business insider heard that those tablets were cancelled it. There was like a, a meeting with all the Google plays working on the tablets, and they're like you don't does are gone. You're done ago, work on something else, go work on the pixel book and then Google confirmed it they're just like, yeah, we're we're going to focus on laptops. The head of hardware, Ostro confirmed it again. And, you know, we promise to pay attention to chrome OS for third parties and Android for third parties. And, you know, we're going to support the system, blah, blah, blah. But like today, Google simultaneously announced, like admitted the existence of that, to me that counts announcing and then cancelled two tablets. I like this new Rick Ostro hardware strategies. Got like fifty thousand employees doing stuff like it's. I like it. I will say that this makes me happy because the pixel book is good. The pixel book is good except for its bluetooth module. It is still my favorite laptop hardware of the past few years. It needs like an update to make the vessels, smaller on the screen. But otherwise, like don't touch it. Keep everything the same as far as I'm concerned, including the headphone, Jack in the pixel slate was a mess. Huge I actually started using my again a couple of weeks ago. This is probably better now. Right note. No. It's several good. When you're at the launch event you pick it up. This is very lagging. Like I guess you guys should know. I mean Android tablets has never worked. It is literally never worked that is true is literally never worked except maybe, like the very first one with honeycomb, you're like maybe and then, like no apps came. I liked the next. Seven I have a second gen next seven is very slow. Now I do still use it, but I only use it to run the Sonos app, and I only have it there because I don't understand this Android supports multi user on tablets, but not on phones. It does on phones. It's just ninety percent of OEM started off on an Excellent Can still do multi user, autozone. No, I have a nexus six P, and it does not have it on their on a pixel. Phone. All right. Maybe I'll anyway but I still use the next seven because I can have the second account that only has the sentence app and like sits there, and it's very slow, and I feel very bad for every guest in my home. It's like can I change the music? I'm like. Some minutes from now, you will it is. Anyhow, I just why can't they get this, right? It feels like apples charging ahead. And we'll just like nowhere. And then yeah, there's Mike, there's windows tablets, but they're very desktop. E still the very desktop. I think that part of it. So business insider is, like they, they like it didn't meet their quality assurance standards like they Qiwei these tablets, and they're like, this isn't good work. Reviewers. It'll just be the pixel all over again. So, like two pieces of news there one Google started queuing. It's tablets. Too. I think they know that they're never going to catch up to the ipad. It's always it's, it's celebrating away from them. And at at Google's most ambitious at they're like, we can we can make the most amazing tablet possible. It's still going to be half as good as an ipad best. And I think that they just they don't want to be compared to that ipad anymore. And so they're like. Yeah. And not to be fair. Not only the ipad. The enormous range of excellent windows, tablets, that are like the do something, very different than there's not like a middle ground. There's like Apple's version of the future of computing, and whatever's happening now that it's had Wes, which apple tells us like, oh, just a name change on the website. They're like this is the biggest change in the world. So some confusion there but Apple's, like they've got their vision. Microsoft has an extension of its existing vision, which is like, what if desktop a tablet, right? There's no space. Between. It's I I'll give us off a little bit more credit than that. But I mean I get where you're going with chrome OS. They've had two years, maybe a little more trying to like, nail tablet interface. And just have it. Do basic things like not lag. Three seconds. When you're trying to move a window in Tallaght. Right. Not, not like like three seconds. So I the huge, huge lag suave lag in the first time you like what the heck we're working on it, but, you know, it's still gonna laptop mode seen. We believe we can do. It was like, okay. Sure, but the pixel slate which was released last year. And I reviewed what's something very good hardware, you would try and drag a window down from the top, and you'd move your finger to the left of the screen, and then two seconds later, the window would be there. It was ridiculous that two years figured out. I just want to clarify before the Microsoft, people yell at me. What I mean is apples, apples version of this indeed credit? You understood I see what you're saying. Yeah. Apple's versions like what if we start over and like start from the beginning? Interested in Microsoft is what if windows, but touch, and they've done a good job. I'm not saying they didn't do they did a bad job. I'm just like afraid of the twelve that's what's happening right now. My own speech is being shelled. Bad at me. Everyone's doing great except for the ad. It's right. Also the I hates Lennox. He thinks Lynn. This is the year for links on the desktop. It's going to be honest. Finally made the move by the way, speaking about tops Chester's might know about my beloved, fifteen inch macro GPU you may have heard. It's fan several times throughout this episode apple recalled mid twenty fifteen back, but pros for battery issues. There's a battery placement program now, but the issues are so severe the instruction is stop using your laptop until the battery is replaced, which seems very significant to know about a laptop four years after you released it. There's a battery issue of the significance, but dabbles credit, they said it, they're placing the batteries, you know, it's like buying new laptop. It's not like conspiracy theory to get you to buy touch more laptop, you can do it. This is important. However, because the 2015 macro pros, it's like the one people were still buying. Yeah. Right. It's like there's a black market for these because people don't want touch ones. So it's, it's good. But I, I think I'm done. Battery replaced or you're gonna go get a another computer. It's like what if I get the battery place? But then I have this laptop still doomed with this fan noise in extremely slow, discreet JP that does not. I think that the if you want a big screen look at a surface book often think about it. What I mean now that I love windows much. Yeah. Remember, you heard me say that? All right. Dear you on. You put the video game in here Addy's here. I trust you'd have a video game conversation. This is your moment. I was so excited for cyberpunk twenty seventy seven I played a little bit of the RPG when it came out, but I mostly play shadow run. And then everyone got Lahser bind because some PR genius has manufactured. That this moment that we're having in our culture right now, the Kano's and angel and perfect. And I'm sure he is a very nice guy, but because he was in the video game everybody lost their minds. That's fine. But then I watched the preview and it was like, the, the main character was, like, I guess, just like a dude, bro. And I felt a little disappointed and then Addy you actually played it now I saw there was a, a hands off demo. They have the thing that he three where they show you someone else playing the game and are like this is only for you. Don't tell anyone. So, yeah. And it's it looks like pretty, like you know, here's a crazy world. And at the end of the day like you should guns. Upgrade your character. Yeah. I say, I, I know in the name of game surprised myself, I watched the debt, stranding trailer and it's terrifying. It's super weird. Yeah, yeah, you're I will say, we're at the point, our cultural giant companies like you've been waiting for this game now this trailer plant, and it's like oh shit. I'm a baby. And I'm coming out of birth canal, like that is a that is a place that we are the thing that worries me about about the cyberpunk thing is that obviously a game cannot can be not Representative of, like e-3 missions are very different from games that actually come out, but usually you try to show off your weirdest thing like I was going back and looking at dishonored twos game play at e three a few years ago, and it was crazy clockwork mansion where you can like this thing we can manipulate time, like everybody tries to show off the weirdest stuff and here it is, well, you can open a door with your robot arms, or you can shoot. Somebody. I mean, if you're gonna make video game about, like a realistic future of what's actually going to happen. I guess. Yeah. That's, that's right. That's what harms are going to do, when we get them. All right. Zelda. I said it. That's the other game. I know K teeter has a huge note in the rundown. It says we're gonna talk about video games of that document manner Zelda, but I defeat it's I approached the subject on a scale of like most open world being breath of the wild, and then the least open world being like what of those like, I don't know, like final fantasy eight or something, you know, like a completely, Ana rails RPG, like where, would you cyberpunk like more open than grand theft auto red debt or like less open? So that's the weird thing is that the thing that CD project or does like these giant open world with relationships and all that. And the thing they showed off seemed much more like an immersive. Same. It was like they were trying to make dais X or dishonored but didn't really care about any of that game play. I would have been much more interested if they had shown what happens if you go in, like high. Jack hover car or what happens. What are your romance options? Just anything except what they showed. All right. We'll come out April sixteen twenty twenty the same year as the original tabletop RPG felt okay? That's great. All right. That's enough videogame talk nerds. Show the world. All right. That's it. We're way over we got. We got our app it up. Thank you for being here. I was like when you're on. Thank you, Josh mall in the show. We're gonna we're not really team up on that one. We paul. Thank you for your bitcoin. I'm gonna thank everyone into I'd like to thank Paul for, for bitcoin emotions. Dater years, ambient, thanked k. Thank you. Think on Cigna, Jackson writing me a song about sexual to thirty. That was no publisher platform stain Shuman. That was the verge cast, please rate in reviews. It's just give us a five stars. I know we didn't earn it this week supply stars. We really appreciate it. You can listen to watch that button, which is a tremendous show. Ashley did a whole piece about Gebo the robot. The people loved in that his dying you should just listen to watch Fisher button. You should read the story in the website. There's tremendous photos of people in their GPO's in that story. Check that out. Obviously, please listen to the episode with Casey about face moderators very important. Even listen to Rico decode care, Swisher, unison, pivot Karen, and Scott Galloway Scott Calloway was on a code. It's very, very funny and you Recode media with Peter Kafka all great all available to you wherever podcasts are. That's it. We'll see next week. Rock-n-roll paul. That's not to thirty dot com.

Facebook Paul libra Twitter YouTube US Casey Newton FTC Senator Holly Samsung Switzerland Instagram Disney Josh hollies Ron Wyden Lieber Blockchain Tom Warren Google
Sunny outlook

Monocle 24: The Stack

28:56 min | 1 year ago

Sunny outlook

"In the summer. This week as London's experienced an unseasonal outbreak of warm winter sunshine, we've decided to take a look on the bright side of things from Brazilian publication. Aptly named the summer hunter to a magazine looking at the always some kissed world of super yachts and will bask in the warm glow of one of Italy's finest. When we speak to the new editor of Italian Vanity Fair about their luminous icon. Ick cover star of this week's issue. It's bright as you like this week on the stack. From dory. House in London. This is the stack thirty minutes of print industry. Analysts with me Tom Edwards coming up on the show a little later. We'll find out more about the world of super yachts in print and magazine that will have you dreaming of summer, but he's the show with the Italian version Vanity Fair. The title was the first non English-language addition. And also the first weekly version of the legendary title launched in twenty three the magazines had a refresh. Thanks to new editor Simone Marchetti. Former fashion editor for louder publica financial spoke to Simoni and got a little bit over excited about the new issue out now featuring Italian icon fail cata on the cover Simoni Marquette, the editor in chief Vanity Fair Italia. Welcome to the stack and Simoni. I know it's early days for you as an editor. But you're I should just came out this week in Italy. And is a thing of beauty. Tell us our listeners who is on the Kover and how. Looks like because it's an explosion of caller as well. I choose to put on the cover a very famous Italian icon from the dental vision, one of the most important and most recognizable and she's a fella. She started doing television in the sixties, and she was she's pioneer feminist not only a cigarette singer or knock dress. But she really make the rebel made revolution before the revolution. Before the sixty nine with the lightness, but in my opinion, dead lightness wolves more profound than anything else. So decided on the cover in a very unexpected way. I think that I have to present the known in an unexpected way. So I put on a very icon ick dress from China from Peachtree and. It's the the opposite. It's the top and the and the tour it's the session and the embattled vision something that were not related, and I think that nowadays you have to bring back beauty nece into top culture. That's the key factor at the same time you have to put tradition the highest dishes without any stereotypes without any limit into the nowadays media that are which are very very different from the past. Simoni with that Kover. Is it you trying to say that you know, Vanity Fair. Yes, you will be high fashion as long to. But you also you talk about Italian pop coaches while you know, the magazine has been through a little redesign believe is that what you want to make it pop. I think that I remember when I was talking to mutual Prada some years ago, and she was saying something, very smart that made me think a lot. She was saying it's too easy to speak to a niche to a little niche, it it's very easy, and I can do fashion for very little niche of the market and doing something very spatial very sophisticated. But at the end, I'm talking to a small audience, and she was saying with my brand I want to talk to lot of people. So I have to bring our sophistication and unionise into pope. That's. The risky and the strong thing to do today. And I think that I would like to do the same thing with the magazine. So pop is not administration of something. It's just a way to bring beauty stories intelligence, inter tain -ment, she laws of you because there's will be philosophy and poems in the magazine to to a large audience. I think that nowadays it's very important to treat the top culture in this way, and that issues fantastic's and his very food magazines three hundred pages as well. Which is very rare today. I mean, it's it's not that common. Three hundred pages. It's us you'd success and a good indicator. I think it's a good indicator of the people to want to to to read like a nice printed product as well. Right. Yes. From the beginning. I didn't want to do. Magazine our say, I like to build a network, I think that everyone is talking about the end of the printed press. I think that now days we need the press, generally, speaking more than ever because of all that we are looking at starting from populism and to the problem of democracy. I think that the Joan Listrik part of you is relevant, and it is still relevant, and it's very necessary. But you don't have to think only like a magazine or a website or Instagram pages, you think organically, so my new Vanity Fair just to make short long story. It's like an Oprah three. The first act is very trowel. So with all on the talented artists are hosting our colder, we do not seek project not only beautiful picture. So we sat down with the Koran. We will sit down with a lot of other artists, and we start to think about what's going on in the world. What's your stated to want to say what I would say? And then we are allies showed movies or something very spatial for Instagram and our website. So in the very beginning of the week. The news starts to spread out all around and become Nargis -ment of discussion. So on Wednesday when the magazine came out in the new sense. This is the second the magazine goes back to the old d of the magazine. So it's very rich graphical speaking, it's not like inter or east Ceram. It's the odyssey. It's very artisanal. It's very created. It's very deep. But with the simple simple language, then the last act in the weekend, we asked to talents and to the art of your also going to cover to meet their their public and our audience in the theatre that we are building inside Condon's stately in the center of Milano. So we are building a kind of very real theater where they can do performance since for us and meet the public. I think our audience I think nowadays experience, it's a key factor. So this is why I'm talking about. Network and in in the second phase, we are doing a lot of suspicion collaboration with Italian televisions. And so on again, it's a network, and I think that the total business as to rethink itself. But at the same time as to beat itself more than ever Simone. You have a question some of our listeners who perhaps don't speak Italian Easter massive difference between the talian version of Vanity Fair and the original publication from the US because is it true. In italy. The magazine is weekly, right. It's very different. First of all, it's a weekly magazine. It's very unique. It's the only one the only Qatar in the world with a weekly magazine. It's very successful. I have to say it. It's really really part of Italian culture since the launch of it fifteen years ago in may the Casey story in the detoro. History of talent tallest first of all. Then I said, yes the role because I think that we have a chance as caucus Italy to establish something new something that could be and should be relevant in the next ten years when I was doing my job before as fashion editor at tuba. I was always asking myself is it good? Is it contemporary do have future? What I have to change. Because I can't imagine myself only driving title and the text on a printer tater or doing article on the website or doing a post on Instagram. I mean, it's not enough. So when villas are we the CEO of condensate tally met me? And explain me is vision on a new deal of this. Magazine. I was like God is definitely right? We have to try an past your to Subhash a new adventure. Because the essence of Joan A-List remains like asylum. But you have to change the contest, and you have to take risks, of course. But think out of the box out of your comfort zone and established new media new way and doing something different that was Simoni Marquette from Vanity Fair Italy and the impressive kaleidoscopic cover featuring Raffaela CARA is out now. We might be hearing more from Raffaella a little lighter. But let's move on now to the sunny world of yachts and all surrounding culture from the extrordinary craft that goes into actually making boats tool the lifestyle aspects of life on the open sea. If you're interested in that, then boat international is surely the magazine view earlier this week, we welcomed on board the ship stack. Both the titles aditorial director Sasha Bonsor and editor Stuart Campbell assurance to welcome to the statue. I should say welcome back to Midori house a veteran, of course. And maybe we'll start with this year. I have the February of for mount he's kind of imminent also semi of the president. How we talk about. What's in your head? Are you on those guys his planning half doesn't issues ahead? You already thinking about twenty twenty trends or is kind of an to the minute. It's just a relief to get to get one out the door. We do we are thinking Kuala had increasingly. With whenever quite his head is as far ahead as we like to be which is often the case in magazines way, getting better all the time. And we know rough themes going forward the boats trickiest, the boats form up a big part of the content of the well of the magazine. So we really try every month to get on four CPR that no one else can get anywhere near which is really one of the key US with the magazine and not is interesting because when you're dealing with the owners of these things in shipyards and the privacy concerns, it's not always easy to plan. So far ahead. You might get a coal sang tomorrow. Be in Italy. You've got two hours to get on this boat. The owners off it it's about star, charter, etc, etc. We have to and then you go to get on a plane in December. I had a thirty six hour window to get a big new Eighty-four Meteo in Perth Australia had to get on a plane and get a part of that is because that was our only opportunity to get on the boat, and it was a really important part. And that's just part and parcel of the life. So a lot of the content can be planned Kuala in advance the boats. Unfortunately are more hand to mouth well the boats and the owners shipyards can be rather release obsession, I was gonna ask you a little bit about this. Is it still very much people businesses is very much reliant presumably on the relationship that you do another on your team can forge with with owners to that point there about privacy. How do you get round? Or is it kind of thing? It's a beautiful publication. It's a prestige thing. Priverty side of things is quite extraordinarily. I come from total mass media. So telegraph times ten years her alleged lots of luxury magazines, I came into five years ago with no boat knowledge tool and the interesting thing for me or one of the interesting things was this audience contacts us, I've never had that before me too about the richest the most exclusive the most famous people in the world who will literally Email us and say can be part of the MAG. Sometimes that's because they want to charter their yacht. So that straightforward, but invariably we found that it's because they want to be part of the club. And when I took about are, you talk about it as a club rubbed on the magazine or website. We put on events for them, and they really really trust us. So, you know, the lines between sort of editorial commercial and all the rest of fuzzier elsewhere every working with an owner and his incredibly private and often incredibly. Aegis with very very careful about respecting not privy a nuts. What gives us the authority. They they keep trusting us. So we can't really abuse. That will I was gonna most social but more about the audience because it's interesting that you have extensive selection of soup for sale. Charter how mindful you have to be as well as talking to the members of that club describes there's a sort of an an aspirated class. And then there's just an enthusiast provisionally, a significant proportion of your leadership that's reading and kind of truly have the pages. Do you have to be mindful of directing parts of your coverage to those different things? Would you try and keep a uniformity of editorial perspective? Absolutely do have a sort of key palm minds focused on that. And the way that I see is the magazine is really the, you know, haute couture. It's the calling card that that is the most spatial product we do. And that's the thing that people buy into. And that's not just CPR says the ultimate and design ultimate and travel. The elton. In styled, relevant to the sea. And then we have two different platforms for different segments oversee we have a huge digital presence. That would be probably the more aspirin audience. We have superior book which bring out which is the kind of biggest and best boats over the previous year. That's for the only for the owners, we do interiors book, which is again for people who might have no interest in yours, but CEO says the sort of bellwether of beautiful design, and then we have identifiable six events year, some of which are huge we've got a million pounds eight hundred people event in billings gate. This may which is like the supe- sort of Oscars and we've just done a five hundred designer festival in Chritina. So we quite Pence about what speed to be consumer facing. What Zona facing? You describe your own background Elia that tree press like mine, which which is always a good thing as involved in a reinvention of you as a business person really drawing things together and went to Kim, I guess around the idea of boat encompassing lifestyle elements brand, or is that something that you is a responsibility found you're quite lightly that was very much the brief. So I was very much Botende to reinvent. We reprint a thirty year old fantastic market leader. I was very clear from the beginning that boats in my thing, although I would embrace it. I was never going to become the most of knowledgeable and passionate vote of what I love doing is having a business project like this, and then bringing in outside audiences outside ideas and trying to mix the two so that's kind of been my role. And then Stu it's been very much more the boat facing we work completely. And tandem and at the beginning that were definitely quite a few arguments about, you know, why fourteen page fashion shoot should take place about a refined. Most of the outbound. Oh, that's interesting. Because often these dynamics presented as conflicting contrary whether it's print versus digital brand versus aditorial messaging that being such as kind of all those kinks out defined it kind of just fell gonna cleanout those balances. Do you have an internal conflict in your editors head not rule. I'm so proud of the magazine we've built together. And it's I mean at the beginning, it was a bit of a culture clash because Sasha came from high fashion, reluctant magazines, I came from voting titles. So we kind of mashing these wells together and even in in our personnel as well we did that as well. And it took a while for the to to really into Lincoln start working really quite nicely together. But it's a really smoothly running machine. Now. You know, there's still we still occasionally have there's points of conflict over the type of coverage the angle we might take on that. But it's I. Uttley respect Sasha's coming from. And she appreciates that I'm speaking with a boat head. So it's been a really fulfilling, frankly, working relationship and together with really crafted is a sensational luxury yachting publication another trying to knock kill that pet associated. I mean. Unequivocal? It must be some is there a bit of a kalija editorial thing across titles pretty reasonably cutthroat. I mean, it's not a big world the world, we the pool. So being the senior title in that space, inevitably invites quite a lot of sniping from smaller competitors. But I mean, the bar at a boat show or something like that everyone's friends but back in the office behind the keyboard, its consumptive, Phil that's not the case, we very plain about the fact that we spend an awful of money on our journalism a ton of money and shoots and every page costs more money per page than the other magazine of worked on my entire life. So it's complacent. We're constantly pushing out the borders of the audience, and we're constantly investing in the product. And as long as we do that with fairly comfortable in our positions market leader. And where aware of moves elsewhere in the market. But yeah, basically, we're pretty happy with the space. We'll by just before we wrap I wanted to get quick perspective for me both about big picture industry publishing and some of the challenges. We alluded to these big macro transjet you talking about them. What about politics? What about things? I mean, we saw here in London in whatever we're in February the clock is ticking. Excetera I don't get bogged down in Brexit. But how mindful you about that? Does that know give food for thought for the future? Do you have to think about recalibrating? I don't know where you're going to sitting to this work. It's truly international in scope. How does how do you reflect on that? We do have a scary tambien place for the twenty ninth of much because we are aware that as you say global, but heavily European as well, I mean yards the brokers. It's heavily European base. Not say much from an owner point of view, but definitely from the advertising point of view. So there is a plan b as a kind of you know, if the will goes to put what do we do be strategies in place that we will kind of help. I mean, I think for us where we're lucky is the unlike the big publishes way at Gile, and we have this incredible connection with audience. And so that props us up, but we're not complacent. And so what we all doing is looking at the market, and we understand the Motola. Broken advertising model is broken. We know that so rather like monocle done so brilliantly. We're constantly trying to work on other units. As it will, you know, whether it's data whether it's digital whether it's events, and we shake that model, and I think five years from now being well, but will look very different as a company do to that. From you. Then is it possible to just focus on the technology on all of that cross? The Austin Skillet goes into these boats, which to about or do things like Brexit, the spectators of the demo- the business damone on what you have to do that blade into your thinking. Gee, how'd you keep a clear Dettori ahead? Well, my very simple. I'm quite good at blocking out the white noise. Liquid? Just go to deliver monthly the world's best luxury yachting publication and get on the best boats in the world and talk to the owners that matter in this world and few laser focused on that you can generally. Yeah. Just ignore a lot of the white stuff. Obviously, you can't completely ignore it as you know, why two businesses consider. But my main job is making sure our website speaks the people it's supposed to be talking to print talking to the people that supposed to be talking to. And I think we're doing a pretty good job of that sound so easy. I think that's what people wanna hear. Asha fabulous estate t-. Thanks. Thank you. Now final interview has surely all the sunny vibes you could possibly need created by Monaco's correspondent and Paolo Ricarda Marino, the summa hunter just published its first print edition after establishing a successful online presence. The magazine's motto is that summer, his state of mind, and with cool fashion shoots. Great profiles to some hunt is a welcome read, especially when us here in the northern hemisphere, at least still jeering winter. Let's hear Monaco's Landau type shakeout in conversation with Ricarda, and he called to a have the first issue of a printed edition here of the summer hunter. But I know that the whole idea it's been going on for a while. Tell us about the beginning of this summer hunter project, some are hunters started as a blog when I took a sabbatical year in two thousand thirteen and I realized that I spent a whole year traveling following the son. So I plan my trips based on the. The weather. So I thought oh, maybe this could be a business. I could try to inspire people feeling the same thing that I felt his ear leaving a turn of summer. So I launched a blog fuckers on trips and lifestyle, and then we started to make a lot of projects for brands co creatine content and video text and photos for brands as Volvo Air, France, appar- spreads. So in the beginning of the year as old journalist as journalists they use almost twenty years in magazines. My dream was to launch a printed product. I just realized that is more printed product as the summer hunter is making a lot of noise in Brazil, which shows that people still like and still wants to consume printed products. I am a little bit of a summer hunter. And congratulations, even the Kover of the public. -cation? It reminds me of holiday for some reason, you know, it's a it's a beautiful. The caller is a quite kind of. I don't know how to describe. How would you describe the whole design of of the title? We are trying to make same time a adult like in mater or adult magazine, but we've some design Faulk 'isms zan's, like independent magazines as a professional, journalist and know, what people want to read and how they want to read. But at the same time I wanted to put some freshness. Some Kohner some young in his magazine to not look like a old magazine like a monthly magazine, which tried to put our solar life. Here. We have some partnership with cardiac a brand called alma a close brand. And this picture that is on the cover is our first capsule collection with them. So we launched some closes for man and women Faulk is on this which the summer, and he. Four those Brazilian listeners and international listeners as well. Where can they get hold of a copy because it's the magazines is also free. So I was going to ask won't is going to be kind of your business model for this title. Yeah. Actually, our business model nowadays is to produce content with brands so this magazine is a trial. We are trying to put those magazine is a business for this companies that work with us nowadays is free. And there was something that I want to tell you maybe the second edition. I think I'll have to put some price on the cover even if I'll keep a given for free. I just realized that if you put some price on the cover people take more serious in a way, we'll pick up like ten magazines in a place just one because there is a price. This thing to think nowadays we distribute in some in some stores, bars and cafes and some power. Oh Rio, but as Bellary zone and Christiane we are also in the rules of Attala million in some power when Rayo and the VIP rooms of goaling areas and Goliath part in Rio and dulas airport in some Paulo, and he called on just mention a couple of stories inside the magazine. So for example, I had lot of fun. Reading the profile of a Brazilian astrologist. She's doing very well at the moment. Bruna Palou those quite interesting and surprising and something that love it. Or hated everybody has an opinion about astrology, right? Yeah. I think strategy is fashion right now this girl democ Brunei, she used to be a lawyer thing. And just she realized that she could be more successful as Shala gist, and she's really big in Brazil should does a lot of conference talks show. So has her clients. And she's pretty simple and hips are in a good way. So she's doing pretty well. And she has a funny story and nice way to so about strategy for her young audience with your astrology signed, by the way, I'm Virgo with Gemini funny, because I'm Jamie with Virgo, actually, it's it's a problem because nowadays, I don't know I'm super organized. But as a Gemini, sometimes, I just don't know if I organize my books for of a battle or for collars, this my jammy side record. Marina them Oracle's correspondent in suppo. And the summer hunter is out now in Brazil. And that's all for this week's some kissed edition of the program. Thanks to our producer Landau and our editors Cassie Galp in Kenya. Scale and Sarah miles comments queries over recommendations for local sun traps. Are welcome send them to finance. He's on pay at Monaco dot com. And we'll be back at the same time next week. Now before we go, we alluded to earlier especial treat view a little bit more from ours. And surely everyone's favourite is highly and superstar Rafael cata cover star of Italian Vanity Fair with a remorse. You've been listening to the stack on Edwards until next time. Chow?

editor Instagram Kover London Vanity Fair Italy Brazil US Simoni Marquette Simone Marchetti Tom Edwards Sasha Bonsor Italy Kuala CEO Italy Simoni China Prada Simoni
Episode 4: Blame

Crackdown

48:24 min | 1 year ago

Episode 4: Blame

"Skunk research at Checkout Chicken Melanie. I just don't WanNa get home. Nobody wants to get hawk. Eye On The horrible poverty rats lice. And everything. I JUST WANNA try once Garth mullins this his crack episode for ooh I remember back a few years ago. My friend neck had just died of overdose. America's funeral half the seats empty. It subdued little awkward. Someone tells a story about him about when they were kids. Having an argument that seems trivial now it lightens the mood and there are few play chuckles but they trail off quickly. And there's another a feeling to a sort of blame simmering in the chapel in a couple of weeks before nick's girlfriend woke up to find his cold body in bed beside her overdosed. I Nick and his girlfriend lived in a college town suburb. And there's a lot of drug users out that way. Nick was in his late twenties and just before he died he was starting career in. It he wore Tida work now here he is up front and a coffin. Also wearing a tie hair pulled back in his best clothes. I remember seeing a woman just radiate waves of grief and anger. I remember thinking is that his mom. I'd never met her but I can tell. She blames us. Knicks Junkie friends. His girlfriend to who'd never be the same Carrying that misplaced guilt until she herself died being at the memorial. I felt like I was somehow making things worse. The Dope in my system insulting his memory and everyone could see it. I wasn't there the night nick died. I didn't even live in the same town anymore more but I was somehow implicated. We both use heroin in Nick's mom knew it. That could've been my mother trying to keep control of herself in the Front Pew and that could have been my by up. There in the coffin said at my high school graduation suit jacket doc and had to get out of there so I made up some excuse that nobody bought. I skipped awake and scored a flap of Attila neck. I tried to put that day out of my mind and move on but in think of it sometimes sometimes like one day when I was watching the news another crying mother her kid gone overdose or murder. Drunk driving. Can't remember and then some suit reaching in from out of frame puts his awkward arm around her shoulders. He's a politician. Bear to announce some new law more jails ails extra police harsher sentences. He's going to get tough on crime he's going to lock them up and throw away the key. He's going to name the law after the dead kid I turn off the TV. I cook up the heroin and alone. I fire at home cul de sac in a suburb of Edmonton in Alberta Canada. It's a two story house with bay windows and a two car garage facing mystery other lawns in the neighborhood are littered with scooters bikes bikes toys. Belonging to kids were probably in bed by now on this lawn. There's an election sign for the local conservative candidate and a for sale sign and this is where the widow family lives said just walking up to the front door. Now that's Emily Rendell Watson an Edmonton Freelancer. We offered a pack up her Mike and go to the would oxholm. Hi How are you. I'm good thank you. How are you hi? My name is Muira Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. And that's what we're TASSIE. She's always welcoming. Everyone then comes into house. She's my son's dog. We got her when she was eight weeks old. Now my son was six years old. And that's what he wanted for his birthday. Lula happy Pity she picked him. We went and two. Oh she's just come on. Come on your back After showing emily around the House Miura and Steve Give me a call okay. I'm a little nervous to talk with them. This episode is about who should blame for the overdose crisis and I know they have different views than me. I wonder if they feel nervous purpose to we start with small talk. Muir tells me she's a nurse St Manager at Industrial Construction Company. They they tell me they built their home back in two thousand four at that time. Their son Callum was seven years old. My husband and my son and neighbors around their kids kids and their parents. They used to play street hockey In the summertime till midnight. So does that make you a hockey mom. Oh yes yeah yeah I yeah I always I always love to watch my son play hockey and I thought I would never scream in the arena or anything like that trust me I did. I always yard and scream and I was really a a real real hockey mom. He was known to be hard hitter. He had literally early flattened. A couple of the top draft picks at Bantam level. So the Scots were always looking for type of thing but unfortunately ah he had some friends. so-called friends I would say that convinced them. That hockey was lame and they didn't play and they're wanting to smoke weed and party all the time and you know Steve tells me that eventually callum started using more than pot one night Collins Avenue smoke in the back porch. He's seventeen it's midnight Mueller's in the kitchen clearing up. So then he came into house and he said Mama. I'm going to go to sleep. You know he gave me a hug and he told me Love you and he was always very hugging like he. We are always open and and Vadim for a hug. Muir finishes the washing up. She sits down on the couch and falls asleep for a while. She wakes up an hour later heads to the master bedroom upstairs upstairs and she sees a light coming out from under caloms bedroom door. I thought maybe the TV's on maybe he fell asleep you know either TV on. So I knocked in the door and no one was so I just opened it So when I got. I knew that something was wrong because as I could see my son lying down lifeless on the bed so I started screaming. You know his name and and shaking came in then. My my husband heard meeting my wife had found Komo and screamed and I went running in and started giving CPR. Everything is airway wasn't opening up very easily but a clear passage. I way and kept going. I was I was so distraught and I was so upset and he was telling me to call nine one one in I registered nurse but I I kind of lost it. You know Paramedics arrived Steve's been given Callum CPR for fifty minutes. They take over they. Send your and Steve Out of the room. Will it work. I was spring to God to take me and save him in. Finding someone came out it was like ours. You know. That's how it felt Elcano. Someone came on with. They told us they fund. He has opposed shallow but he has the polls. He got some street Xanax off one of his so called friends and overdosed on Satnal. So that was June twenty seven th two thousand sixteen in fact my birthday and and Yeah not something that a lover forget those caloms I overdose. Did you have lock zone to send you home with. No no the first time. They didn't send us at home. We'd anything but because they told us that they did an oxygen injection after you know he was out of the hospital. I went to the pharmacy and quest at one so after that I always scared one week me right. It was coming all the time I had one in my car. One in my first one in my pocket. My husband had one in his car. Stephen Moore Ascent Callum to treatment. He overdosed again and another time. They called the cops. Callum callum was arrested and forced by the courts to move out then one night in your was parked outside of caloms apartment so I walked to my car and I was just messaging my husband Osmond when I saw the police car coming and stopping in front of the building. Then one of the one of the cups you know just run into the building. At that moment I knew that something was wrong so when I saw that I just got out of the car and run off that he might be. I don't even know if Iraq micro north. I have no idea but I was right behind him so I saw my son lying lifeless in bed in his bed there in apartment and and I started. I started telling the policeman you know. I need to his his NALOXONE. I have one in my pocket and I said please. Could you move away so I can do that. And he says he turned around and he says who are you. What did you came from and I said you know? I wasn't a parking walk a lot. I just followed you. And and he was he started to push me out of them the apartment and I said please let me do see his no locks and I know he's he overdosed led me do it. But he wouldn't let me so so finally the Muir D. Do you think that would have made. That would have made the difference if if you have no idea I'm going to. I'm going to always leave if we got thinking you know. What if he was still alive? Five minutes later he was dead. He didn't have a chance anymore. I would always always going to leave that and never ever forgive that that that officer we reached out to the Edmonton Police Service for comment on how they responded to caloms overdose. They declined to comment. Muir who who do you and Steve Sorta hold responsible for this. Who Do you guys blame? we his so-called friends the golden was there and And I saw her bringing bottom And I think you know She brought the drink colleen and I got so mad at her. I swore at her and I told her that you killed my son. You know the people who wound up providing the cardinal Desperate right and what do you guys think should happen to people. Who Have you know supplied? Someone like calum with our car fenton or drugs without in it. That guy should down be in jail for attempted manslaughter and he should be in jail for dealing but the police the law enforcement they did not process the scene as a sudden death investigation. And we definitely haven't we become so familiar with that and B. C.. You know we're finding the Fenton. All in like eighty percent of what sold is as heroin now and just You know we make this little radio show here and One of our one of the people we make it with on the team. died last month and You know I really. I've known her for Longtime I. I felt very closer and I felt that sort of hot anger at at the at the causes of of of Of what happened to her And so I you know I sort of feel this Sense of empathy. See with your loss and I think we like. The police didn't also investigate. What happened to cherise? We sort of felt like there should be more and I kind of think what could have made a difference for her and and maybe you may think that to a we know it. Mandatory Treatment Treatment Mandatory treatment. We don't necessarily support the legalization of hard drugs. We did not support the legalization marijuana in fact that knowing how damages the youth so we look at Portugal Model Or program and how they apply that and you know that the police bring the individual in for two counselor. Her counselor looks at the past history what they say. The fence was Personal possession overdose. That tightening would would It's still getting a sentence but it would be a mandatory treatment sentence. Not An incarceration criminal sentence. So the you know the legalization and clean supply given to users. There's not I don't think that helps get them off of it. I think the taxpayers paying more to support the People that are in the need with the Portugal model can be played out here. So do you think. Do you think mandatory treatment would have worked for for Callum. Yes his mind was not clear he could not make a decision on his own if he if he was going to go for treatment. How long if you needed to go for treatment so I think you know a mandatory would have cleared his head up and probably in about two weeks you know he would have said what am I doing with my life I I know my son would have said back? I am in favour of safe injection sites. I think possibly too much of the the money any either budget was directed towards that versus the percentage of people. Dying at home dying alone. We're talking about kids that are coming from well-to-do families so the safe injection sites yes are picking up the people people that are a little harder down on their luck but yet we're seeing again and again people dying at home. I I agree with you. The that's really happened a lot here. It's happened to some people I know to because yeah you're right. The safe injection sites are they. They work for some people. I kind of like we need a lot of different things for me. I think maybe safe injection sites are part of it. I do think we need a safer drug supply so that because people will end up using sometimes times. I don't want to see them die. I don't I don't think that illegal drugs being sold by drug dealers and we don't know what's in them is a very good situation so I would prefer to see some kind of regulated Drug Supply that that people can access but I feel like the the where I'm starting from just south with the the anger and the loss I feel for That you know the people that I've come up with that I love and care about that. have been taken by this I but I I feel like we might share some of that and maybe not some of the solutions that we might look for. This is my personal belief. Is that arresting drug dealers. There's at the bottom is is is not going to do it but getting a safer supply in at the top. Might I gotta be honest with you off. My feeling is these are now serial killers or not talking about manslaughter anymore. This merger whether it's murder one murder two they are now become serial killers you look at them and letting them out on bail to continue to deal to pay for their high priced lawyers And more are dying so the the end of it is they have to set some examples and if that starts at the bottom mm-hmm and worked ways up the heart of the charge. They give the more apt. The prosecuted person in is to turn over their supplier and some people like Like Donald Trump have been suggesting maybe they need to bring back capital punishment for that. What do you guys think about them Well I'll be honest with you. I'm a firm believer in capital punishment. I have been all my life if you don't set some examples at the lower mark. People aren't afraid the they're not afraid they know that they're only gonNA get three years of that. They might serve a year. Uh and that that's an injustice. I just wanted to say one other thing in an ally the all say goodbye just one second because I just mean catch. I can cure that through the microphone. The dog barking. Yeah Yeah it's very it can pick up a lot okay. Why don't we? I can hear that through the mice so we're just GONNA have to just hold on one second sorry about that. He's getting kicked drew poor guy. What's his name? What's the dog's name it's Tassie? She's a female. Come and pick the road named her. It was his dog and she's he's got a very bad separation anxiety. She looks for him at the door. She looked for them everywhere in his room. And and won't Amoebae alone now follows everywhere but What what what kind of? What kind of dog is it? It's a Jack Russell and and to see who had the little accident at the beginning of our yes. That was the hardest interview. I've done for crackdown so far. I empathize with the woods. But I disagree. They want mandatory re-treatment. But my experience doesn't work. You have to want that treatment for to stand a chance of sticking and as for her sentencing treating fatal overdoses is like murderers does not stop the dying. In fact it makes things worse. fendt non carpet are just the most recent arrivals. After a century of increasingly strong drugs as law enforcement gets harsher illegal drugs get more potent. It's the Iron Law prohibition but the law and order perspective is gaining traction. The widow had a united Conservative Party. Sign on their lawn. That party just won a majority government. They'll birth they want mandatory Tori minimum sentences for drug dealers and no new supervised consumption sites across North America. Friends partners and low level dealers are locked up for selling sharing or delivering drugs that led to a fatal overdose some drug users now carrying do not prosecute notes a template it was created by the urban survivors union a US drug user group. After my conversation with the widow puts on thinking about carrying one to it. Go like this. I garth mullins request prosecutorial restraint as herein described. I understand do not prosecute means that if I die as a result of an accidental drug overdose I request that no one charged prosecuted or held criminally criminally responsible for my death. I understand this decision is being made to challenge the oppressive and often perpetuated false dichotomy between people who use drugs and the people who sell drugs. We are more often than not one in the same unconscious. Her room say I did. CPR on her until call. The paramedics got there and they had to pull me off of her. Jessica says she knows who sold her daughter last hit and is told police. They don't seem too interested in pursuing anything. So so here's this. Mother sits with overwhelming grief. It'll never be the same wondering who the next mother like her will be and if there's anything she can do stop are being charged with reckless reckless homicide and the victim's father says it's about time we just wanted justice from the start. Sandy Brag that heroin is sold killed killed fifteen people somebody. That's going to claim that they're that wonderful that they've killed that many people maybe he should be injected with all his and all and see what happens to him. The truth if is there's been times in my life when I felt really alienated around parents whose kids have died of. Od it sounds terrible to say that but it seemed like they were always blaming us. It got to the point where I started to think that this kind of loss like naturally made you conservative. I thought that for years until I met the Patriots well the steps of the BBC Legislature Glory Sees Sunny Day. And we are setting up for our rallied to decriminalize allies substances possession and the have people from all over the country here lot from BC or shoals university the instructor like the widow. She's from Edmonton and she's also lost a child but somehow she came to a completely different place she helped start a group. Group called MOMS stopped the harm and they want many of the same things that I want a safe supply. More harm reduction an end to the war on drugs We're you're working on just one at. We've got a lot more on our clipboard. We want to decriminalize the possession of use of illicitly obtained. Okay drugs for personal use. We end the war on drugs which is a war on the people we love. Doc send hundreds of photos of people. We lost to the prime minister asking do something Prime Minister. And what did we hear. Yeah back nothing silence. Silence Don stood up in the House and after the rally patriots in her car. With one of the MOMS. In her name is Samantha. She's been crying the whole rally and it becomes really clear that this is a big part of helping lead this kind of group just being there for people the lowest point. I haven't been able to give up out should persist orange scattered. Tonight's have no for one. She's such fortunes took us a few Munsan some sons please. God the molten and also around how supplement in churchyard entered a need Ireland's finance. Oh yes so. It's I like I like having a place that I can go to. Not that I get that Petra. It's ashes. This is not the first but still. It's a place where you couldn't go in place to commemorate exactly. It's a place dedicated to him and where I can can go in and you know what darling back I feel like to her children. meany that physical play. Yeah exactly what the knowledge their mom or feel to her whenever and if they wanna ever like getting old now it's it's hard to come to terms with and and you know it's something really I've read in a book where the author proposed. What one could? It seeks reconciliation. I like that term. It reminds me of truth and reconciliation. So reconciling doesn't mean that you forgot it happened happened doesn't mean that you say it's okay. It doesn't mean that you'll ever forget means you can. You can learn to live with the fact and and make it part of your life kind of make it make a new life. I had a friend once. Tell me you're not the same anymore. I had a two. I'd shake my head. Whole sorry? Sorry Sorry Samantha. So right those are insight something after this. Yeah there is there. Is You know I wish I could tell you that the pain will go away. But I don't want to lie to you It's it's always there but what I find now. It's been four years and I'm fortunate I get to talk about Daniel Lawn because of the advocacy and that helps in that fine. The pain is less acute. It's less sharp. It's it's yeah doll the early months you know the really the first two years are Yeah I don't know how could you tell me the story about how you got here. who was Danny and what happened there? Yeah Yeah Danny was our youngest child he ah different from his siblings and the always had a really easy time in school. He didn't very sensitive very emotional. Kind of kid did when he's he was three. Once you wanted for present was a CACTUS and early on. He had an interest in cooking cooking and he learned from his grandma how to make German Apple Strudel. He started working in a restaurant or just washing shing dishes and like so many people. Do they wash dishes soon. They chop vegetables soon. They do other things and you develop a real passionate. He decided to go to culinary ski. Now we're switching gears from the beer to the food we have denny shows here and then you are the headstone. No I'm the chef for our little restaurant and we call first lunch so eight different types of brought I and running them. All in house accent brought us very nice knife and we are going to start this Danny on local TV. A guy in his early twenties. A little bemused of the energy of the host. She never stops smiling and nodding his efficient chefs movements contrast with her big hand gestures. Danny's playing along but he's not loving. Yes so what's in this backing These are pig intestines. One sure okay. That's called all all right. This is the first time you discuss choice. Soaked those overnight as they come salted they come and go and lots of fresh meat on the show. Today we are we're going to grind some meat make potato salad later. All Children Children At some point have had some challenges with with anxiety or depression and Danny does well down. He didn't really want to acknowledge it. He thought he was just doing to an okay. And unbeknownst to us he started self medicating in his late. Teens Perk sets. Let's oxy whatever pain medication he could get on the street. Danny was twenty five and just returning from a trip to the west coast and I saw him in the evening picked him up from the airport and I had cleaned up his apartment he was a bit messy and I got him a new bookshelf. I'd put his cookbooks. And he I said wow. I need more cookbooks shelf so emptying the Israeli happy and he hugged me and he said I love you in love you Danny. Those with the lost words spoke spoke. My husband and I went over to his apartment and I knew the key to get in the building so I walked in the apartment and everything looked like Danny should be the home. The radio was playing and there was a beer on opened and I couldn't find him just as I was walking out. I saw light shining under the bathroom door and and it was all quiet in their citizens. Danny and there was not a sound and you know when you have a child. WHO's using opioids? You always you imagine you. No one day somebody will find him You know one day the St that you dread and hope will never come one day it might and I was standing outside the door and hesitated for moment and thought yet here is the day that have been reading and I opened up and that he was in and don't laying on the bathroom floor. He must have just gone down really really quickly. The way he was laying there and I was fourth-floor Iran down for us four floors and there was a phone number found in his bathroom and friend looked at Helped helped us clean the bathroom. She said but you want to do with this and I just I can't remember by burned or shredded it or something when you found the number that you've that you thought might be Danny's dealer And and you wound up destroying it. What were what were the thought process? What revealing when that was happening it won't bring him back? That is really what I was thinking. It it won't bring him back. You mean like keeping the number and sending the police offerers. Yeah Yeah it won't bring him back in for me is just not where I wanted to go. I I wanted to honor Danny honey. And and his life and the life that he lived and that phone number wouldn't have made a difference The last time I was in Edmonton Patriot took me to see. Danny's old apartment building even while telling me some of her favorite memories for. She's still made sure that. I got something to eat a grilled cheese and coffee and it occurs to me sometimes with these MOMS there. Are these as little moments like this. They're looking out for me. Subtly protective maybe. Because it's something they can no longer do for the kids that they lost MOMS like Patriot really aren't so different from my mom. I could see her among them. I I gotTa Admit Mitt something here Before you me got to know each other a little bit I sort of I think it was. I think I had a strange perspective live about the loved ones of of people. WHO'D GONE I? I've lost so many people probably half the people that came up with her gone and no one wants to hear from drug users for the most part but by politicians and the media seemed to have this this space base and I you know I kept seeing. These photo ops politicians and crying MOM's on TV and and they were usually in that narrative of calling for tough love and at amongst drugs are activists. We just felt like there was this privileging of one kind of grief over our experience and in that grief was being kind of harnessed to a lock them up narrative but it was kind of knocking me back it was. It was preventing me from connecting acting with people like you. I think a little bit and and the way you've come at this like I understand it so much better now and I. I understand the politics politics and I understand our common cause a lot better and I wanNA thank you for that because I I was I think offside you know well and I can. I can understand how you'd you'd feel that way and I'm I'm very you know. We understand that be will not change this. And if we if we don't work together and because of the stigma people who use are not on listens to they don't have space and you know I was talking to A friend at mccune university and I said look at us. I showed her a picture of the mom I said you also so why do we also middle-class like what this going on here and she said you know. Use Your privilege to your advantage. You use it for everyone but really I think people us are really. Don't have enough of a voice at oxy was reformulated. Nobody asks Danny. What is that GonNa do to us? I just GONNA unequipped. Because he can't get oxy anymore and if somebody had asked him what anybody else does said well. I'm going to whatever is available on the street. You know so much. Bad drug policy is made without ever talking to anybody WHO's most affected by it and that just needs to end. We say nothing about US without us. Yeah Yeah exactly I'm seeing things differently. Now what are movement has one things like safe. Injection sites is almost always because we built coalition's which included people not like us who don't use drugs that's how past struggles have won everything from better. Working conditions to civil rights is to environmental reforms. Were still in progress. But we've gotTA learn the strategy and tactics of previous social movements. A drug user rights movement must be led by drug users but by ourselves we don't have much economic or political power and Patriot and mom. Stop the harm so that parents can be important allies. I can't help but wonder. Is this just an edge case. I think it's a really interesting shift to Z.. When you expect to hear that that punitive law and order crackdown tougher enforcement? That's what you expect from bereaved parents. But I mean the the parents that I've met have such an amazing depth of insight into knowledge of harm reduction decriminalization and drug legalization approaches. I often say to them. You know you have a drug policy. You've you've earned it. This is Dr Rebecca Hanso. She's assistant professor at the coming school of Medicine at the University of Calgary and this is a bit of an aside but Rebecca was on the TV. Show degrassi junior high. If you're not familiar the degrassi franchise is that same Canadian. Cultural Institution that gave Drake is start. Rebecca played one of the schools. Mean girls is Kathleen knowable drugs. Don't be such a checkup chicken melanie. I don't WanNa get company wants to get hooked. I own horrible awful rats and license and everything. I tried drugs once I totally forgot. Yeah so you're talking about the experiment. And that's way way back. The first episodes he can see. This is when I was thirteen in real life. So it's many years ago now and and Joey Jeremiah. Here's that we want to buy drugs. Joey Jeremiah Esquire F for pharmacy at service so he makes up fake drugs to sell us. Because we're great seven and he sells vitamin pills but he tells us it's like New Zealand Zappers New Zealand stoppers the best five bucks and we take these vitamins and think we're high grade seven Maya Korea. It's okay Rebecca everyone gets bunked. Rebecca has interviewed dozens of MOMS whose kids fatally overdosed moms. Who now advocate for better drug policy? She's a sociologist in a mother herself and I`Ma MMA feminist and agenda researcher so is really looking at the construction of a women's advocacy as parents and as mothers in the drugs policy. Well is he space in Canada. And so how is the story of Activism Family Story in an agenda story. How did these parents get to that spot? Where they we know all about this stuff and really committed themselves to this? This is our producer. Alex Rebecca's calling him from CJ. W The campus radio station at at the University of Calgary. I think it's a really interesting pathway that happens at different stages for different people because the experience of addiction in a family is so different and also because the grief experiences different for people also For example I interviewed a parent who when I asked when their advocacy because he began you know she said it happened at the bedside like it happened right after my son died. I knew I was going to advocate for changes to the laws laws because He hadn't been served by this and this is why we lost him And then in other instances I think it's parents getting immersed in in the space being invited to meetings finding group online and you know it begins to click for them One parent shared with me during our interview. It was really just this sort of Emotional moment for both of us where she said you know. Ultimately my child just wanted wanted to feel better. They wanted to feel better. Rebecca we just want the people we love to be okay How much do you think? Thank class and race or part of the story while I think it's a huge part and I think it's sometimes on unacknowledged tension the space Because there's voices we don't hear from Indigenous parents and mothers haven't been highlighted in quite the same way you you know this is a very tricky space. And I think it's really complicated and I think those privileges definitely play into How the media wants to tell the story But I know that many a parent activists are aware of this tension and use it strategically so when we interviewed parents you know they were very uncomfortable. many people in the interviews spoke about the media trying to exploit them and just wanting the grief story. But they want to share the policy of Casey Story. So I think you know like all activists it's about being being in this space where You're trying to strategically use the power and privilege that you might have to advance a message and then of course what you're getting at is recognizing that there are voices without privilege and there's voices that we need to hear from more do you think that The movement against the war on drugs is failing. These these kinds of victims out in the suburbs parents Young kids of the drug warlick. Is there something thing that we should be doing that. We aren't. I'm not so sure I I mean I think I think we failed massively because we have a whole mythology Thala Jersey of the trajectory into addiction. And what the solutions are So we have many middleclass parents buying into into You know non evidence based treatment. Modalities like residential abstinence based therapy. This just not there but I just wanted to add like the I think the main struggle is not actually parent shifting because there's many progressive people. I really feel from what I've done is the struggle is the people around you who haven't lived it even in progressive spaces. I still feel that. There's this underlying attitude when when you hear parents share their story of what did they do wrong you know. What didn't they do? Oh is their divorce in. Their family was their conflict where they not supportive enough. You know this really strong. Narrative of mother blamed that we had in the mental illness space in substance he space. I think it's really hard for people to dislodge dislodge so I think even though we can talk about anti stigma I feel that that really exists. Both calum's parents and Danny's parents understand the truth. Someone is to blame for the death of their kids. This is not just a force of nature. MM-HMM I blame Nixon and Reagan. At trump classic drug blame the ministers and the bureaucrats that quibble with me. Well our late. A colleague Cherise wotton got sicker and sicker. I blame every cop who slapped on the cuffs. I blame Prime Minister Stephen Harper for fighting safe injection sites for a decade and I blamed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Who told us to our face? Don't hold your breath on decriminalization. You all have our dead dancer for hello everybody take everything. He came with later on decriminalize. Now the drug war choose families criminalizes criminalizes new MOMS jails parents and seizes kids for many of us. There is no parent to hold up our photo to mourn us to speak out for us every month. We have memorials for those who have no other family except for us and we can't win alone. Crackdown is produced on the territories of the Musk squamish enslaving nations. We're in Portugal now presenting crackdown at the harm reduction. Twenty nineteen unconscious and making episode five Portugal's decriminalization model. You can find a link to those do not prosecute letters on our website. Crackdowns editorial board is Simone Marsh. Shell to Castor Greg Fast. Jeff Loudon Dean Wilson. Dave Murray Al Fowler Dr Laura Shaver and Cherise Quad. We miss you cherise. Crackdown is produced by Alexander. Kim Lisa Hail Will Sam Fen and Gordon Cat this month. Our lead producer was Alexander. Kim Our science adviser is Ryan McNeil lead of the qualitative and community based research program the BC Center on Substances Ryan is also an assistant professor in the Department of Medicine at the University of British Columbia. Thank you the Emily Rendell Watson and Marta Gawky of CJ S. W. Ninety Point Nine FM. In Calgary lite rock. Less Talk I. I don't know I don't know what's on that radio station so a random assortment of things uh-huh oh martyr did nice. Okay well I take it back. I'm Garth mullins host writer and executive producer. You can follow me on twitter at Garth mullins original score written performed by Samphan Jacob Dryden Kai Paulsen and me. Our theme song was written by Salmon. I with accompaniment from Dave Jen's and Ben Abner we make this podcast with funds from the Canadian Institutes of Health Research and the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada we're also supported by our listeners through Pedro. Aw thanks to everybody who was kicked in Tipton. Thanks to everybody. WHO's kicked down chipped in? That's okay we got that. I'm sure we're on ITUNES stitcher spotify youtube and soundcloud please subscribe rate and review. We're we're also on CIT are and co OP radio in Vancouver. We're happy to be on your radio station to follow us on twitter at crackdown pod. Our website is crackdown. IMPA DOT COM email INFO at crackdown pod DOT COM. Patricia does our transcripts available on our website shortly after each episode is posted. If if you like what we're doing please support us at Patriotair Dot com slash. Crackdown pod new episodes. Drop on the last Wednesday of every month. Good all right they. It's been listening to leading up to the the sidedly dion.

Danny honey Callum callum Edmonton heroin Garth mullins Portugal Muir nick murder Canada US Alex Rebecca hockey Knicks drug overdose America Prime Minister Patriots producer
Hour 3: Ethan Strauss

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Hour 3: Ethan Strauss

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? GMO put it on the poll place. Have you noticed that Zeke Elliott has gone from too short shirts to bagging shirts Zeke? So even Strauss Strauss is with us from the athletic, and he covers the Golden State Warriors and basketball as well as anybody, it's a mouthful Ethan Strauss of the athletic with us now on ESPN radio. Tell us some stuff about the warriors that we don't know because it really does feel like they've gone from likable too unlikeable and under the problem. Ethan. Dan, what kind of question is that? That's like having a comedian on insane. Say something funny. I don't know what you don't know. I have no idea how to respond to that prop. Well, the audience doesn't know the stuff that you know. And so anything you've got that. You think is something the audience would like I'm starting there with the warriors because they gobble up any your around the team all the time. Random on. Does. I'm writing on it today. Andrew bogut, even though he joined the team I think in the middle of March to late March is already drying plays up and they're using plays. Andrew bogut is coming up with is that the kind of thing or audience wants, I have no idea. Yeah. Wow. Chris's applauding. Coating is applauding back there player drawing a play. That's interesting. Yeah. There you go a bad one. I mean, even more interest that player a bad player layer. They love bogut there. Yeah. I think he's a little reminder of the the old nostalgia. And I think he also has a renewed perspective. I was talking about it with him that having kids and also just playing in the Australian basketball league can give you a renewed appreciation for playing in the NBA the championship contender. So his whole his whole balance his whole, I it's funny in a way, it's almost like he is from the other era too because he talks excitedly about the play offs. And he talked excitedly about winning the championship in June. You look around. You just don't hear a lot of that talk anymore. You don't you? Don't get that excitement from a lot of these players here. Kurd talk about you have to be accessible you have to be a little bit better with the media. It makes me think he's in. And where I was leading you at the beginning was in boogie cousins and Draymond green. And given the behavior of Kevin Durant over the last couple of years, they have usurped the halo that Steph curry the adorable halo that Steph curry put over this team once upon a time. So I think that Steve Kerr while talking about Russell Westbrook is talking about his own team in terms of that's not healthy for our league to have three of the four guys be kind of not likeable. I think he could be referring to that. But this is a league wide problem. This isn't just Russell Westbrook. Did seems to be at route. We can talk about the media player dynamic. But at route remember Adam silver said that a lot of the stars. He talked to aren't happy that they're miserable which I was shocked when he said that I was shocked when he confessed that that seems to be the root issue where the league is trying to sell something as fun as experience you wanna be a part of. And it biggest faces the players it's advertising everybody. They don't look like they're having a lot of fun. And I think that at a certain point if you have enough guys like that you can have one or two, but once it's a bunch of them. I think it's bad for business. I it tells the customer to go somewhere else. What's the feeling that you get from fans from management from Steve Kerr, perhaps as it relates the Kevin Durant after this season? What type of feeling are you getting as everyone just expecting him to leave? Well, I said that effectively in an article back in February that Durant got quite mad at me for writing. If you guys remember, I think I was on the next day after writing it, and I have heard or seen nothing to change what I said back then. So that's your answer. How sullen is? He because I see the sixty minutes interview where he's just sitting there, and he'll extremely is that what you said. Okay. Well, what explain to us what's happening there? Because what I find fascinating Ethan that he totally expected. What has happened on the court, which is winning will be easy? Everyone will see how great I am. And yet he's empty on validation empty. And you could understand why you'd see it that way. Right. If that's the way you seen it because it did go down like that for LeBron. Lebron was hated at the beginning when he chose the heat and after he won those two championships. There was a grudging respect and everybody agreed unanimously everybody said what Bron James whatever you think of him is the best player in the NBA. Now. What's funny about the situation? But Durant is that it seems as though that conversation is shifting other. Will hasn't made the playoffs. And the Lakers are a disaster. People are looking around saying, gee, who's the best player in the league? Maybe it is Kevin Durant. But it's happening at a time where it doesn't seem like Kevin Durant really loves where he is. And that's confusing the conversation in some respects imagine fans feel or how polarizing I guess I should ask is Joel Embiid because I like that he's got that much personality. But I know other players in the league find him off pudding. Yeah. I couldn't really. Tell you. I enjoy it as well. It's good content. It's it's it's certainly a lot of entertainment for us. I also wonder is he a household name. I mean, that's a good. Stugatz. Question is is Joel Embiid. A household name is the public. You know, suggest an NBA fan thing that they know about Embiid, or is he really gone gone means stream. I'm not sure I haven't heard a lot of players carping about him though. I haven't heard a lot of coaches and other people complaining about the big personality. I didn't hear any warriors even making note of when he made that three one joke. I think he's a little bit. I think he's a little bit popular with some other players. Actually, I know that when he came out to the bay area, you went to steps restaurant they had they had dinner together. So at least there's a relation relationship there. He'll become a household name when he wins something I mean. Listen. He's a great personalities a great player. But you become a household name when you actually do some winning with that, you know? I'm wondering I'm sorry. I'm wondering about warriors and the fan base there. Ethan are they more or less confident? I can't imagine they're more confident heading into the Houston Rockets series than they were a year ago that can't be the case Kennett. I don't think that's the case. I don't think that they feel more confidence this time around than the other time around. Look, it's an interesting test of something, right? It's an interesting test of does chemistry matter or is it just all about talent. Is it all about just having the better players? There are two schools of thought the first school of thought would be. Are you kidding me? This isn't a Disney movie. You know, you think teams win because they love each other. No teams win because I don't know having guys like Steph curry, Kevin Durant. Klay Thompson, Draymond green. That's why teams win. All this other stuff. Doesn't matter. Now, the second school of thought, of course, is it matters. It's a team they have to be together if they're not so together, they don't completely love. Coming to work every day. It's not going to work, and they will be beat by a team that is functioning more for Mony Asli. I don't know the answer. But that's one of the reasons why I'm fascinated by the upcoming series. Ethan Strauss of the with us on ESPN radio. I have a game or series to play tomorrow a series to play tomorrow. I let you choose the first pick from among these players Westbrook and Lillard who you got Damian Lillard. Wow. That was quick. Wow. Because Westbrook's the one with the MVP triple double numbers. Can you explain that to the audience because I I don't know that the audience would agree with you on that one? Wow. Well, I look a I guess they both have slightly underperformed in recent postseasons of the seems to be the third consecutive underperformance for Westbrook, but most every point guard can shoot it. You know, if you're if you're short, you need to be very offensively, proficient because your responsibility is disproportionately on the offensive side. Now, his shooting numbers have been woeful at times that is a huge advantage to the defense, and you can scheme in a playoff series Lillard is just such a better off of player because of that. And yet some of some of that subjective leadership as well. But I also think puts will Lillard over the top and also westbound, well, he looked like a great defensive player. He just doesn't tend to play like a great defensive player. And I think I also might be tainted by how? What's just been terrible against the warriors in games and series against the warriors. The switching defense if a team has a switching defense that just seems to crush Westbrook. And it just doesn't seem to impact Lillard the same way. Thing like whoa filled with lows put on the podium lebatardshow should woeful be a good hole of loans. Oh of them are full of woes. Thank you eat that. We appreciate the time, sir. Thanks. You guys. Break out the red panties. We arrange baby that rockets warriors series going to be so much fun. I mean, the rare NBA finals matchup that you get in the Western Conference semifinals that guys should be the finals be woeful. I am going to tell you in the next segment to word who were that made. Stugatz. Leave the rooms northing with laughter and red face. During the break. I I haven't seen him laugh like that in a long time. Now, I am over promising and under delivering. But boy, do these two words makes God's burst out laughing basically making fun of sports radio. I tell people about t-. So they are the NBA's official timekeeper t- sews, a new sponsor around here. They're good watches. Tell them Stu got T. So is the official watch of the NBA each one two t so's time pieces delivers quality performance and traditional luxury the T so Kroto exiles a great watch for those looking very sporty crow graph with Swiss technology at number beatable prize while the tea so PR one hundred family of watches brings together. Sporty feminine details for a collection that has bold romantic and ideal for the modern woman shop tea, so at US dot T. So shop dot com and select watch and jewelry stores nationwide. I we fix that. I did you did you went back to modern women, ROY. I I said women sound like woman. Yes. Yes. You sound like woman, the modern woman, you agreeing with me, I'm agreeing with you get the hell out of here. Mike if they had our bribes, Stu gods here for all your biggest achievements in live. Who's the one person? That's always been there unconditionally supporting you every step of the way, it's mom, you're forever. Biggest fan this mother's day show her just how much you appreciate the love with one eight hundred flowers dot com right now when you get ahead of the mother's day rush. One eight hundred flowers, we'll give you an exclusive thirty six thirty six offer thirty six or a roses for just thirty six dollars with an impressive mix pastel shades and pink orange and lavender these roses are guaranteed to make her smile. Thirty six or bay roses for thirty six dollars is an amazing offer, but you have to hurry because it expires Friday. Don't put this off order tonight from one eight hundred flowers dot com. It's what mom would want you to do. And I would advise that you do what mom wants you to do toward a thirty six orbit. Roses for thirty six dollars. Simple. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash Dan. That's one eight hundred flowers dot com slash Dan. Hurry, this fantastic. Offer ends Friday. If you're looking for the reason to work with a local gyco agent. I have all of them because I'm the voice of reason reason one gyco agents could help you save on more than car insurance reason to they can help tell your policy to fit your needs reason three their local and for their local. Yes, I already said that but still good reason. And if you're looking for more ways to save your local gyco agent could help with more than just your auto insurance. Stop by give them a call today. They're here to help donlevatar. Why doesn't Bob Costas? Go by Robert because he strikes me as someone who's not a nickname guy. Like, I'm surprised. He's not Robert middle initial cost us whenever he does reports. Can you imagine if he were body cautious? No way. Bob, Costas definitely has group tax. Whereas French like, Bobby what are you doing this weekend? She hates that you only. The people that hate him. Call him, Bobby? Stugatz. I can't even say his middle name it so fancy. Robert Quinlan, Costas, exactly. Robert q Costas. Bob, Q Costas doesn't the group. Chat are calling him. Bobby q r Quinlan cost us live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. What are you doing with stupidity? This week. We have a we have a doozy plan. We are. We're unveiling a new game called the story would game again that we try to play on this radio show. Now, it is me, and Abby, and we are taking on the goings. Okay. Mike Golic senior and his wife questions have been asked questions have been answered now, we're just waiting for game show host to arrive and that game show host is a major celebrity than I think our fans will be very happy to hear from Sean McDonough now how does this duly wed game work because it sounds like you just described the newlywed game. Well, it's kind of like that. Yeah. It's who knows their spouse better, though, do do me and Abby know each other better or do Mike Golic and his wife. Do they know each other? Better who knows which couple knows each other bet. But it's really about the host. It's not about it's more about the host. You know? It's like the newly would game. But I put my name in the needle what newly would game. Wed newlywed newly would tomato. He already called him. It'll potato. Yeah. Why do you keep calling newly would it's a it's a very good question. I don't know why. I don't I can't even come up with a lie. You would've been in northeastern thing or just a you the northeast thing. I think it's just me being dumb. Is it possible that you didn't actually know? There was a game called the newlywed game is calling it the newly would game. And you think you invented this Bill with me anything is possible. I think that if you had been in the other room a second ago, you would have been infuriated by what Mike Ryan was saying to sarahspain, which is her podcast is the best though. Well, okay. I mean, my I think my producers that podcast, right? I mean, I oversee a lot of the stuff on the network. I I don't I'm not I know Santa does a great job was to potty now. But but in terms of what I enjoy listening to weekend and week out, Sarah so organized and has a clear plan, and perhaps as an outsources much Ron McGill Ron McGill is our guest this week. And he tells great stories if. You care to hear some more stuff from Ron McGill. It's funny because I heard you say that same thing Amina kinds when she was here. So I mean, and you've told me that in very very I have. I have not haven't heard it either. Actually, it might listen. The name of mine is stupidity. You wanted to be organized. Anyway, Dan knows southeast sessions. Truly my favorite in coming up this week. I know this is hard for you guys. Believe couple months into this. This is probably the best south beach session. We've ever done no way rather than Bosch. It's with better than Bosch better than Tony Bosch better than saving Gundy last week, this one king of the mountain now, it's with Tony Kornheiser. And the theme is really Dan tries to get Tony Kornheiser at his happiest which is talking to him about his passion projects like radio and look Tony's a little surly. But it's good. He's a. So God speaking of the golic's though, this is what happened with Stu gods during the break, as you know, many of, you know, a God's did a show on Sunday mornings with golick junior. They had great chemistry and their friends, and we just heard during one of the breaks. We heard a commercial for golick junior being on, golick and wingo. And there are two words that made stugatz laugh, I'm not making this up. Mike. He I looked at him. The two words were on the radio during the commercial. Stugatz. Looked at me burst out with red-faced laughter. Couldn't stop laughing and left the room. And those two words and these words have never made anyone laugh the way they just made to God slap. Those two words were David cut cliff Cutty. Thought it was uproariously funny. The idea first of all here comes the rip job of David cut clue. Listen, we've done this thing if feels like forever where David cut cliff you and I've been doing this show for sixteen years now for sixteen years we've been talking about David Coug cliff has spent five minutes with a quarterback. He's going to be good in the NFL. Go ahead Namie of quarterback not named manning that has been touched by cut cliff that has been any good name a single because now Daniel Jones is the first round picky shooting up the boards. People are saying the patriots are going to take him with the first with the final pick in the first round Namie a quarterback. Honestly, Dan, not name. No, one has gotten more out of those manning camps than cut cliff because there's reputation when he when he started Duke was a football program that had a track around their field that it was the smallest time thing that you can imagine. And then the Manning's got involved gave cut. Clip. A camp also did all sorts of pranks on cut clip that involve leaving things on his computer that are inappropriate, and the resulting thing is cut cliff is now a whisper there's this thing where David cut cliff has had a Cup of coffee with a potential quarterback. He's gonna go to the hall of fame ally Peyton fine. He did wonders with them at Peyton would have been fine with the without David conclave. I promise you same with Yvonne. Okay. What would it be just fine? I mean, honestly, if Jim Tom Soula was a college coach, those guys would have still y you know, wound up in the hall of fame. He shula. How was he? Because he's on the cut cliff tree. He went to the Senate. That's how good he was a quarterback. All right, then we're going to regain where's Erica? Kane. Anyone here from era games lately? Now, you have it how about Thaddeus Lewis. I mean, he did a Cup of coffee and a couple of different places. You probably did better than most would expect right at Shaun Rehn free Howdy to those of the quarterbacks that have made it to the to the NFL that had been touched by cut cliff. Donlevatar you are the best. And when I say the best I mean, the very worst and most evil, stugotz the worst. But this time we're species lebatardshow with Stu gods on ESPN radio. What are you laughing about? I've spent the entire break laughing because you've been muttering at your computer staring at the face of David cut clip and saying to yourself. Why did I do that to port cut? Clint listen, here's the the rules, okay of engagement, if they're gonna go after David cliff, a guy don't look at a picture after you go you want to hug him, you wanna hug my computer, the entire time cheeks pinched, his cheeks eighty he's adorable. He does have chinks you wanna pen. I mean, you were taking apart his is quarterback class. If Daniel Jones goes in the in the first round that's four of his quarterbacks had been drafted in the first round. That's pretty impressive. Right. He has to be good only two of them. Get good. He lies still debatable. I mean, you think God's was kidding? I looked in there. He was actually petting his computer. Was a van for cutting sheets. Right. Keep track your text though because you're like I'm holding out on July manning unless you put Eli manning in the hall of fame. He would have gotten into hall of fame without cut clips out tearing soup man does wonders for you. He's got to rings. I mean, I don't wanna put Eli in the hall of fame. But I don't know quarterback was to rings his not in the hall of fame. And I'm certainly not assigning his two rings, David cut cliff now here, I go get a Cutty Sark fits this. Cutty ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests of the damn Muhtar Joe appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sportscenter update. Kelly staffer the wife of lions quarterback Matthew Stafford has returned home after undergoing a twelve hour surgery to remove a brain tumor. Aaron judge strained. The oblique muscle on the left side of his abdomen during the Yankee series versus the royals. He's expected to miss a significant amount of time for a Yankee ballclub who now thirteen players on the injured list. That's incredible. And finally, a German shepherd was returned to a southwest ranches, Florida family after disappearing as a puppy. The dog was found two years later in Colorado. Crazy wedding season is upon us and the easiest way to look fresh for your big day with the black ducks dot com. The Blackhawks has awesome suits tuxedos. That you read online. They get twenty dollars off your purchase. Visit the black ducks dot com and enter code Dan for all the latest headlines information, tune into sports center on ESPN radio authorized today. Ghirma would you be kind enough to tell me of the brewers reliever? Hater how often that dude gets hit hard by left handed hitters because I just saw on the television screen in here that Cody bellinger's now playing like he didn't his first seasons to got yet last season. But he just he just pulled hater from the left side over the fence. And I haven't seen a whole lot of human beings be able to do that from the leftist item of the platen. I'm just curious what hater does left these because I'm doing that based on the on the eye test. I'm not doing that. Because I know anything other than that guys are. It because he throws everything one hundred miles an hour and he had earlier this season a nine pitch strikeout inning where he just struck out everybody nine pitches. Valentine's going beyond what he did the first season. I know it's early here. But it's cream in. There hasn't been anybody better in in the sport so far given the start he's giving up one hit to a left handed batter this year that was it. Are you kidding me? Vom? It to a left yet. Because he's got that sidearm action. I wouldn't want face that guy was like John Kruk facing. Randy johnson. You remember that in an all star game where John crush like. I don't want to do this. We'll John crux duct brand Johnson. Johnson through waivers head. Nobody wants any part of those problems, man. That's my childhood. You miss that? I miss John crock MS personalities like that. Oh. All these baseball. Again, are we gonna adding hat backwards? All right. Let's go ahead. I remember that when Cal Ripken junior hit that home run in the all star game in stugatz accused who was it that you accused of grooving the pitch to him was channel park. Yeah. It was China park at not accused he grooved it. I mean, there's no accusation to be made there just go watch the video just lobbed it in just makes me wanna say, rusty Greer. That's all I got to say just wanna say. Explain to us what happened there because I'm I'm genuinely confused we love ninety baseball so much the nineties were populated with a bunch of sports stars. We talked about baseball the way that we talk about basketball now where we're interested in the dramas the names of. People like John crock who, you know, famously said when seen smoking in a party and a woman came up to him and said, what are you doing? You're an athlete. Athlete's don't smoke and his response was I'm not an athlete lady. I'm a baseball player. When it happened in that good in this sport. Is that what happened everybody everyone's to beautiful Stanton? And judge. I mean across governor time. Who gets kicked out of the league? Just because a guy likes in Dolgin little bit has to lose a bunch of weight. You're not talking about him liking photos on the toilet in Boston. Are you're talking about buffets. Talking about the belt. Oh, the belt that snapped. When he's I missed the fat player. Don't miss the out of shape Bank baseball player. Yeah. I don't feel like we have. I don't feel like we have that anymore. Do we let you guys to look up Ken Oberkfell and tell me whether we still have that or not he's a beautiful, man. And he's not even fat kinda can Oberkfell was just sort of pale and pasty, and we'll just have bushy hair coming out of the hat. He had the nice moustache. I mean, he reminded listen he could either be the third baseman for the Braves of the guy who delivers your milk. I mean, what do you think delivers milk anymore back in the day? I'm saying there's a beauty still milkman. Or are we still doing that? With the thriving business. I do watch. I'll check on it. But I think are we still put that on the poll gamma, please at lebatardshow are they're still milkman because Stu gods. Just made Ken Oberg felt a player from the forties for some reason. Rethink has a rough his hands in the history of the game. Moyes is a Lou. Wow. I know what you're doing. They're all because he didn't wear batting gloves. And there's the whole story about how he did pee on his hands. And wasn't a little p p that's what he would do to his hands. He would just his hand. Just on appearances just on appearances. Who do you think is like man that person could probably San some would by just touching it? Steve Bob Balboni. That's a good one. That's I was gonna say Jim Eisenreich that is an all Jim Eisenreich. If you shook his hand he'd give you a splinter. Really why Eisenreich because man, I can just like he's got the look to him that he's into carpentry. Woodworking on the weekends. Don Bailer had strong hands. Just in bore would put pine tar on his bat with no batting loves like just straight up pine tar on his hands and bat. That's crazy that rebuff your skin you'd think if it's a man, right? Just. He is a man just a man goes up into the play up to the plate. And you're like, yeah. He's just going to take a pornographic hack with those men hands of his and everyone needs to run for the exit. He has a body. Type. You're longing for. Well, he's but he's thick. I'm long. I'm longing. For pudgy I'm logging for flatly out of shape. I'm longing. For a Zeki Elliott. You're longing. For Ken herbeck, Ken herbeck is pretty good. I mean that is a good one. I mean, we do still have Martell Cologne. Let's not forget about him. But he's the only one we do have. And it's why he gets to be the lovable guy despite being a steroid visit and having a secret family, but I'm pretty certain they had them too. I don't even grant was pretty hefty. Oh, Tony Gwynn, ROY the the mock turtlenecks at the San Diego Padres always used to wear for media day, those mocked turtlenecks go in and look a photo of Steve Finley wearing that mocked her neck with a mullet gloriously outside. I'm asking the serious question. I know baseball's what happened. But you don't know what anyone is wearing these days in terms of mock turtlenecks in baseball. I love their commitments in the mock turtleneck, there's only one other team right now in four in sports. It's still married to it in Kansas City Chiefs every media day, you gotta rock. The mock turtle is Tony is the player who is Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs are those players just obselete now because the guy you want to hit that ways. Mike trout was gonna hit a bunch of home runs. No, no now, they're Christian yelich. And he's hitting thirteen is it like a d Gordon or someone Gordon would be? Yeah. Rough hands Ken Kennedy. Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Oh, Jim Eisenreich full. Hold thought. Let's sell so mad thinking is in right. You're sitting on the any this entire time. The nuts. Facility managers. Keep your facility managed by going with the best in the business, Grainger, tell them to go looks more like your friend's dad. You're terrified of Robb nen or Ken, Ken Manetti? Good one. I want to sing then. Manetti. You're so happy brought up Ken committee. He makes people happy. Well, I mean that. That can come in any make people happy. Then you start thinking about his death. We're turn donlevatar Latimer Guerrero seven in war in nationals Expos history. Stugatz. How many Expos are ahead of him? Oh, easy. Gary Carter's, I hit him Raines rock Andre Dawson walk. Steve rogers. Tim Wallich wall. And then Ryan Zimmerman and then ZIM live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. Mike was just saying that he's not as excited as he's been for the last ten years because he's a Browns fan and the Browns are good. And he's now saying for the last ten years or fifteen years draft we had been his Super Bowl week. And now he's saying Super Bowl week is his Super Bowl week. Ron Carter vice beat community in terms of rugged hand. I think so what about Derek Bell? I don't think I mean, we're talking Kharkov is and Ken Kennedy. I don't think Derek Bell's in that conversation. How morris? How about mauve on mobile might be in the conversation. Good one doesn't have rougher Hanson. How Morris it's Sean Casey rough hands. You know, what maybe I know. I think showing Casey good take my good strong take on that. You know, what it usually followed, by an opinion, the mayor. I the mayor had soft hands. I do I do too. I think very off habe soft gentle caressing hands. Yeah. I believe that too. You have that Sean, Casey. What do you have in the Sean Casey file, can you find that Sean Casey story? He told us about sleepwalking through a hotel and his tidy whitey's one night is that the first ever may be given in sports radio. It was useless. You know, what maybe is what he said four words where one would have done and the one was totally lukewarm. So let's update the polls at lebatardshow on Instagram Twitter as my grind, you got the Sean Casey filed. Did you get it up yet or not yet? Yeah. But I don't it's hotel alias. This story. But the story. Yeah. Yeah. This is ninety seconds long. And if I'm wrong on their well, let's take our chances. Let's take a porn hack. What was Sean Casey's hotel fake name? My fake name was my father-in-law was name was John Kanka. That was my name John big, John Kanka and one times for some reason. I slept walk outside my room. I think it was like the sweep tears or something you know, what I mean? One of those deals one of those. I think I was over four three punch outs at night in Boston. Next thing. I was having a bad dream. Yeah. That was out in the hallway in my underwear. So I go down to the front desk. Three thirty four o'clock in the morning. And I'm like, hey, I'm so sorry. I like I slept walk out of my room. Can I get you know, key back in the room? They're like, yeah. What's your name? I'm like, Sean, Casey. And then the list like this new Shawki staying here. Oh, my name's John Kanka. Are they? So. Security. Welcome back up to my room. Because it was under nail ius said I had to end up getting my license and show him that. I was really Sean Casey, not John canco. There's the mess. I think they thought it was an intruder. All right. Hold on a second. Look backtrack. -magine Sean, Casey goes tidy Whitey. I don't know why. I would imagine that. I was full why he just feel Harry body, you know, just Bom whether any other like customers hotel customers in the lobby when you went down. It's just me. I believe that. You've just told the most vulnerable story ever told about an ad like, I can't imagine. How mortified you're? I was mortified just really wanted to go back to bed though. I was like can I just get back to go back to Ben? Lebatardshow on Instagram or Twitter. If you want to update the polls, I think John Kanka beats Kennedy. I'm on John, John. Oh. How about how about Gorman Thomas? If you wanna go back earlier Ramos, man, self Asano. That is good. And it's been a great mustaches. That is really really good and bare knuckle boxer too. Yeah. Or tomato can fed to Mike Tyson. I I believe that's Kanka Kanka is the tomato. John king is a great name. John king. Cake. Heavyweight's fourteen and eight. We're not going to get to all these polls. No shot the Twitter polls. Brought to you by Dollar Shave Club dollarshaveclub delivers the product you use the look feel and smell your best right to your door, plus with their handsome discount. The more you buy the more. You save go to dollarshaveclub dot com slash, Dan. Very special offer. Those anyone get a tattoo on Monday. Eighty percent of the audience said, no, do you think it's possible for a band aid to bring you to emotional tears? Sixty six percent of the audience said, no the glass glaze did Klay Thompson fixes shooting because he jumped into the ocean. Seventy nine percent of the audience said, yes. Which is a better movie. Paddle seem flatliners or the abyss question. This has never happened before guys. No. And I think we hit on the right to movies. That's what happened. Yeah. This is never happened before I time in show history. Well, fifty percent of the audience at flatliners. Okay. And fifty percent of the audience of the abyss historic have of that precedent. I that. Which is the funnier punchline Damian Lillard four dollars or Tori Smits four year old. Fifty nine percent of the audience, Damian Lillard is Hank Schram a funny. Name sixty nine percent of the audience said, yes. Have you ever stormed out of a fro yo place? Eighty seven percent of the audience said no did Stu gods. Say parents or parents seventy three percent of the audience Barents farrington.

Stu gods stugatz ESPN David Coug cliff NBA Sean Casey Kevin Durant Ethan Strauss Dan Damian Lillard Russell Westbrook baseball Mike Ken Kennedy Eli manning Steph curry Klay Thompson John Kanka Steve Bob Balboni Rockets
Emergency Episode #3: Your Undiscovered Opportunity During This Time of Crisis

Smart Passive Income

36:13 min | 5 months ago

Emergency Episode #3: Your Undiscovered Opportunity During This Time of Crisis

"Hey what's up? It's PAT here. And this is the third episode in an installment of emergency podcast episodes. That have been coming out here on the podcast and you can find all the other emergency podcast episodes over at smart passive income dot com slash tool kit. Which is where this one will live as well. But you're listening to it right now. Obviously so you don't need to go there right now. However if you miss those episodes make sure to check that out because the first episode was how to Manage Your Business in time of crisis like this. The second one was what to do if you had gotten laid off for furloughed or if you happen to know somebody who had gotten laid off and how you might be able to take some knowledge that you have some experience some skills and turn them into a freelancing business you either on the side or potentially full-time down the road to supplement your income right now. This episode in particular is for you. Whether you're just starting out in business or you have one already. There is an amazing opportunity. That was brought to my attention by a good friend of mine. Steve mcclaren who has been on the show before in the crazy thing about stu is he is helping people right now build memberships and think about it in a time of crisis like this where we're all quarantine at home. There is a huge need for people to find their people their communities. There's there's no in-person community meet UPS. There's no events there's no conventions anymore. And this is a time when membership sites are absolutely thriving and in this episode. I wanted to bring stew on talk a little bit more about this opportunity and again it can be added onto stuff that you already have or could be the start of something new and we talk about exactly how to get started with building a membership. This is great because it also provides potentially a recurring income for you. And you don't have to start big either and you don't even need a huge email list or ton of people already following you. We go through a number of examples to showcase the possibilities and then we have a lot of even strategic ways to go about creating founders members group which is a way to validate whether or not a membership idea even makes sense for you right now plus a lot of a lot of other great stuff but I wanted to bring stew on. He's a family man. He's a good friend of mine. He's helping loads of people during this crisis. Find the opportunities that are right there and nobody else's talking about this either so this is why this is here and You know I imagine one day a few people who listen to this hopefully many will come back and say man. Patty was that emergency episode with Steve. Mcclaren that changed everything for me. Some really excited to introduce to you. Here he is from tripe stew. Welcome back to the SBA podcast. Thanks for joining me man. Yeah listen I appreciate you having me? Thanks so much times are crazy right. Now as you know and unite chatting the attacks or like do we gotta come together and do this podcast. Because there's a lot of people who need help this'll be added onto our toolkit page at smart passive income dot com slash which has a few emergency episodes that we've already recorded internally with our team. I'm happy to reach out to you because you've been focused really hard on helping others during this crisis well specifically in and around new opportunities related to building memberships because community is really important right now and it's always been but even more so now just tell us a little bit about what's going through your head recently. What you're traveling up to and how people are making great opportunities in the moment that we're in right now. Well it's interesting because you know there's really two sides to the coin and I don't want to minimize it all the seriousness of what's happening because you have a friend of mine. Carrie who's an ER nurse you know? She's actually living in a trailer in her driveway. Right now to be separated from her husband and kids so that you know she doesn't impact them in any way and so I see here it on the front lines of the health side and then I also see it hear it on the front lines of the business side and the ripple effect so many businesses are experiencing one of my groomsmen in my wedding. Mike he owns a restaurant and sales completely dried up. You know friend of my wife. Lindsey owns a brewery and things have gotten a lot harder for them and we have another friend Natalie and her husband wound multiple coffee shops and again things are really hard so I understand and feel the impact in weight of that but the other side of the coin. Is that what it's done is The there's never been a time now. When more people are online spending more time online than right now and in fact there was a research study that was released two weeks ago out of the UK and they survey two thousand people and they ask them. What are they looking to do? During the quarantine and these people sixty nine percent of them said that they want to use this time they wanNA use this time to be more productive and learn a new skill. Things like gardening things like coating things like a new language or instrument or whatever it may be and so people wanna be productive. Fifty seven percent of the people surveyed said that they're looking forward to using the time to pursue passions. And so what we're seeing. Is this play out in our tribe membership community where people's memberships are actually booming right now Levi who retired membership. He seeing his sales literally triple during this time. We see Emily Jeffords who just finished the launch for her membership. That helps artists. She welcomed three hundred sixty seven new members with two emails to instagram. Lives and a few social posts or Tamra Bennett. Who just welcome four hundred and twenty new members into a membership helping people paint. Decorative door hangers. And I've got lots of examples of people right now. During this time who are thriving because people want to be productive. They WANNA use this time. And so there's that there's also the fact that we can't get community the way in which we normally do. We can't get into church. We can't get into schools who can't get it on our sports teams and so because of that people still crave it but they membership perfectly support staff in that community aspect and lasted what I would say in. This is really where I want to encourage. People is that all of this has really just created a whole new set of problems. That weren't there before problems. That are waiting for savvy entrepreneurs to solve for example. You and I. We both have young kids and we are. You know two of millions of parents who have been thrust into becoming homeschooling parents because of the shutdown schools and so what we know we don't want we know we don't want our kids on the IPADS and you know in front of the TV all day but the question is like well. What do we do you know as so? This is like an example of a problem that has emerged waiting for people. Like you know Anna Gilio. She has a membership site that provides teachers lesson plans. She's made a slight pivot and she's launched a new membership site providing parents those same lesson plans or KC hope you know Casey Story. I love you know. She sent me this unbelievable message on Instagram. And she just said. I'm just so grateful that I've learned how to create an online membership. She said because she is a a brick and mortar art studio then. She said she had to make the tough decision to close it. And she said normally I would have been freaked out like how am I going to pay my employees? At How am I gonNA pay myself for. Is this business even going to survive this time? She said but I don't have any of that anxiety because my online membership her calligraphy membership is bridging. That gap now similarly. What she did is that she also saw. There's an opportunity here. Millions of parents don't know what to do with their kids. She's like every day. We teach kids how to paint. Why can't we just teach them online? So her and her team spun up a new membership site within a week ended up welcoming over three hundred new members teaching kids. Art Lessons Sharing that with you because there is another side to the coin here and we got to pay attention to that and it's an opportunity that just waiting for entrepreneurs to show up and serve and this is a good time to do that. I definitely agree. I mean Our good friend Mike. Ohio is always asking us. You know what does this make possible? Anything especially in the realm of bringing communities together in a membership like like fashion or using this time to create a course or or whatever it is there are opportunities that are right there and it reminds me of my two thousand eight story and a lot of other people's two thousand stores. It's interesting how two thousand eight is a very common year when it comes to people who have started a business. It took that moment in time just like the moment in time people have right now to step out of their comfort zone and try something new. your commentary about new problems that are arising is very interesting. I was speaking to somebody the other day who is an interior designer and instead of just you know the architects aren't building anything right now. Because nobody's bill you. Nobody's spending money but this person has made a shift into helping people designing interiors of their homes to look good further. Zoom calls does amazing. Not a great great idea. It's like this is what they're becoming known for and they're creating like I think a coarser a book or something about it right now or just going live and talking about it but I mean there's opportunities there with like you said a lot of the things that are happening right now now. I'm curious because a lot of people are a lot of people in my audience are creating courses right now and building things like that. But the membership angle. The community component on top is what makes the membership stuff really attractive Where might one start with how I even in this environment bring a community together like what like what is to start thinking about in order to make that happen well? We often think that we got to have a big audience before we start doing this. Like we gotta have tens of thousands or thousands of people. The reality of it is pat. That's just not true. You know Actually I got a message at the other night on again. Instagram from the gentleman his name Caesar and he's a corporate consultant and right now those corporate consulting contracts have drive right up and so he's just like you know he wasn't sure what to do but he had heard me talking about doing a founding member launch and we can explain and unpack that if you want but essentially. It's a very simple way to get started to kind of gauge whether there's interest in the market and to create momentum for yourself and so he had a small group had eight hundred people in his group and he did a founding member and he's just me this message you said. I can't believe it like he's welcomed over fifty new members into his membership. Just doing a simple founding member launch and so the reality of it is. Is that when you're thinking about? You know what a membership makes sense? Here's what I want to encourage everybody to think to really drill down number one. You know a great membership One of the things that can do is help solve an ongoing problem so an example of an ongoing problem right now. Millions of us are working from home. And if we've got a pet that dog that barks nonstop well that's interrupting for interviews and video chats zoom meetings and so forth and a an out of control. Dog doesn't instantly become the perfect puppy like that like there's a process to solving that problem and it takes time and makes for a great membership weight. Loss is another great example of a problem based membership. Where you know. You don't go from overweight to the perfect way overnight. That's ongoing problem that needs help and so a membership can solve that gap. Second thing I look for is is there a way to teach somebody a new skill? And so this is where you know again. You don't go from not knowing how to play the guitar to becoming the next Eric Clapton overnight. You don't go from not knowing how to paint to become the next Picasso overnight. That's a journey and so when it's a journey like that it's perfectly suited for a membership site. The last one that I'll give is when you can make someone's life more convenient so we talked earlier about a lesson plans for parents but this is a perfect example. Like where you're making someone's life more convenient. Listen I often get asked the question. Why would anybody buy my stuff? If there's so much free information available let me just tell you the reality like when we were home with our kids starting this Corentin There is a whole lot of free information out there but it takes time to sift and sort through all that we as parents. We didn't want that. We want it to be told okay. Here's some lessons. Just follow these lessons and you'll save yourself a ton of time and your kids make progress. Yes please I would pay for the convenience of just having that handed to me on a silver platter so whether it is like lesson plans or as an example Paul Evans has the membership site called teen life ministries and what he does. He provides youth ministers a Sunday sermon. Powerpoint so they are typically busy during the week because most youth ministers have fulltime jobs and then they scramble on Saturday to put together a presentation to deliver on Sunday will ball saves a ton of time. They don't have to scramble because he's done all the heavy lifting they go make a few tweaks and Bada Bing Bada boom. They're off to the races and so it saves them time. So if you can if you're thinking about a membership site one of the things I always think about number one are. Can you solve an ongoing problem if you can? That's a great sign number two you know. Can you help somebody learn a new skill if you can again? That's another great side or number three. Can you make life more convenient for your market and if you can again? That's another great sign for membership and what I would say about for. People who are thinking about of course is that. It's not an either or question it's not like should. I do a course or should I do a membership. Because here's the reality. They go together like peanut butter and chocolate. You know because at the end of the day like if somebody's going through a course you're teaching them what to do and how to do it. But when they get to the end of the course. This is where the rubber meets the road where there have to implement what it is that they have learned and this is where a membership site can support them in the implementation of it and so this is why they go together so well I love that. Thank you Let's unpack there. That I definitely want to get into WANNA go into the founders launch and how that all works and can you give us an example of something that would be more perfect for a course versus membership? I really WANNA help. People realize where that line is between memberships in the skills and the journey and the ongoing problem versus like what would be a classic example of something that would just make sense online course and not really a membership although a membership could potentially come after that you have an example. Yeah well like so way. I think about a course. It's a deep dive in teaching people. Something about what to do and how to do it and so again the reality of it is as if you're teaching somebody that's teaching topic. That's very Short term minded. Like you know how to a course on how to set up the PERF had the perfect zoom setup or a how to launch a podcast as an example like launching a cast is your only really gonNA launch at one time and so after that point. Then it's about growing the podcast and that would certainly be a focus of membership site. But so if there's a short window of time where people are implementing. What it is that they've learned from you and then they have no. There's no ongoing need or ongoing problem or having to learn a new skill then it would make sense for a course but the reality of it is is like I said for most in most cases There is a you know a back end Need that is served with a membership and that's typically how we think about it like a membership. There's a front end membership and back in membership. Affronted membership is great because it brings a lot more people into your world and more importantly the people who are will join your course and want to do a deep dive are going to be your best. Converting people are going to be people who are in a front end membership but then back in membership perfectly complements of course because that's where you are supporting people in implementing what it is that you've taught them in the course and so they go. They go hand in hand together. I like that. And there's a lot of people listening to this who likely have online courses and they have the opportunity to add a membership component on top of it for those who are in the audience who have either taken a course or want the community community component to come in to to sort of have lay on top of that so there's some new money making opportunities for a lot of people out there now what In by the way And you know this do because I have chatted a lot about this but For those of you. Who are listening right now. This may be the first time you're hearing about this but my team and I at Sim media. We are working on a membership component for us to do exactly what you're talking about to help people with implementation for the community aspect for online and offline events for other amazing things that were going to put in there that enhance the experience for those who want to go deeper with us in a more just journey like fashion verses are one of course which are you learn how to launch your podcast boom. It's it's great and you have you have listeners. Okay well then what so? We are actually working on that right now. And who are we working with? Well were very happy to be talking with STU and getting a lot of help along the way and we're doing our research we're going out there and finding a lot of other memberships to to learn from the best and Stu you are the best for sure this is this is your. This is what you do. There's so many success stories. That come out of your your tribe platform will be mentioning where you can get more information from stu about that a little bit later but what about those who are just starting from zero so for me. We have courses. We have an audience already. So a membership component. You know it will likely do fairly well. Hopefully and obviously we can do great. It could do not so great but for those starting out. I mean they don't have an audience already is a membership platform or building a membership a platform a possibility for them or is that out of the question will the misconception is that you need an audience of tens of thousands or minimum thousands. Rally is you. Don't you just need an audience of just a few hundred people and there's so many great of this. There's a woman. Her name is brandy moles. Who's coming up on her one year anniversary of when she launched her membership. Now she's a service provider so she manages facebook ads for her clients and she's figured out a way to be able to scale that business. That doesn't require more of her time. So she was really passionate about sharing. This methodology with other service providers whether it be facebook ads strategists or managers social media managers or even virtual assistance. But she didn't have a big audience. you know combined through email social media etc. It was roughly around four hundred people but she moved forward and did a founding member launch and ended up welcoming twenty-three members. Now here's what's amazing. That twenty three members created momentum for her and in the last year twenty three members has blossomed into more than two hundred and fifty from that issues also spawned off a course and a mastermind and the business is booming. Now so are so that she's able to bring her husband home from his corporate job and as she put it what she's passionate about she said normally there would be two parents. Working out of the home in her goal is to help. Service providers have two parents working in the home and I love that but again it all started with twenty three members from tiny audience of less than four hundred and there are so many examples of this Anna saucier is another example. She's an infertility practitioner. Just an audience when she started just three hundred and twenty six people. But she's like I can do this. Founding MEMBER LAUNCH. So she did it. She ended up generating just over five thousand dollars. Five thousand twenty four dollars with that founding member launch which created a ton of Momentum Wendy batons and other good example. She started with a tiny audience at three hundred fifty four people and she specifically helps paint store retailers like tiny tiny niche and would that audience three hundred fifty four. She ended up welcoming fifty. Two inner founding member launched generating twenty eight hundred dollars a month in month number one and now has hundreds of members and it just continued to grow and so I share these stories because the reality of it is. You don't need a big audience. You just need a tiny just a few hundred people and most people listening right here right now. Already have that between your different social media channels. Perhaps a small email as you already have that. That's enough to be able to do a founding member launch and to be able to create momentum. So let's talk about this. Founding member launch you also mentioned earlier it was a way to sort of validate the ideas and the membership that you're doing. Give us a rundown. How does that actually work? So there's really five components to it and I've used this over and over again whether it be to launch a membership of course workshop. Heck I even used it to launch my mastermind and essentially the essence of it is is number one you talk about the idea so as an example Nicholas. Wilton is somebody who came to me. He was running his course and he was coming toward the end of the course and people started asking questions like wait a minute. What's going to happen to the community Where do I go to get my questions answered like? Are we still going to be able to stay connected? Like all of those are great science. Remember ship right. This is exactly what we talked about. So he was seeing that and he said Stu I I know a membership would be the perfect day but I don't have time to launch a membership between now and the end of the course. What do I do so I said you should do a founding member lodge and so he invited all of the people going through his course onto a Webinar and the first thing he did was he explained where the idea came from so he said look. We came into this course. I had no intention whatsoever of launching a membership. But you started asking questions like this screen shot like this screen shot like this screen shot and it got me thinking it got me thinking about how could we extend this experience from just the course to extending it all year long so number one explained where the idea has come from number two? Then you cast the vision so this is where he say now. I don't have this created yet. This is not a thing yet but if there's enough response here's what I envision it becoming and you start casting what you see this membership in community becoming and Only like from a content standpoint but more importantly like from an experience standpoint and specifically what you are looking to help people do in the progress. You're helping the make so number one is the ID number. Two division number. Three is the invitation and so this is where you want to invite them join you as a founding member and so again you say look. I want to invite you to join me as one of our very first founding members and one of the things that I'm going to do an exchange is we're going to lock your price in at the absolute lowest price so when we do raise the price and launches to the general public. You'll continue to pay the lowest price and the other thing is that I want you to have an active. Say in helping shape this because this is an idea that still rough around the edges. And we're going to shape this together in your early feedback is GonNa have great influence over the direction we go with this membership so number one the idea number two number three the invitation number four is to call to action. Now I gotTa Tell You from Experience Pat I maybe as a way to protect my own. Ego called action a little bit differently. Sometimes you might see people say things like say yes in the comments below if you want me to create this while my ego is like how embarrassing would it be if I asked them to do that? And nobody says yes like that would be embarrassing so the way I got around it as I say things like. Just send me a direct message if this is something you want to move forward with and so nobody knows whether one person or a thousand people have said that they're interested but what that does is it gives people a way to raise their hand so that you can then number five follow up and so in. Anna saucers case. It was super simple. She took action on this right away. And basically you make this post either facebook or you send an email out to the list and if you sent an email to let you just say hit hit reply and let me know if you're interested. But in her case she said semi a direct message they did and she didn't have like a big fancy sales page or launch videos or webinars or anything of that nature heck. She didn't even have at checkout page. She just sent them a paypal link. So you can imagine. She made this facebook post. People responded and said Yeah. I'm interested. She sent them a pay pal like and they went direct the pay pal and paid her accordingly. And so I shared this with you because those five steps are all it takes number one. Is the idea number two. Is the vision number. Three the invitation number four the called and number five the follow up and what's amazing about this is allows you to get out of your own way to focus on just showing up and serving and more importantly this is not about the revenue although the revenue and sales will come. This is about working with a small group of people to create stories and the stories are your best most valuable asset that will absolutely set you up for when you do launch to the general public just like Brandy started with twenty three members but that blossomed into more than two hundred and fifty. 'cause she doubled down her attention to really serve those people and help them make progress. Then you you walk the walk to do. I mean just for everybody listening. I hope you're paying attention to how to use the stories in even just answers on podcast episodes like this one and he's been able to collect those as a result of having members who he continually has communication with in his tribes platform minutes. Just amazing and so you know a little bit more about Pricing I think this is one thing that people wonder. It's like okay. I'm going to get members but like what is this monthly payments. And how much and you know because I think revenues really important for people right now and I love the idea of a founding members launch because it allows you to get that income sort of sooner than later versus having to create for being or build out the platform and then or create the course and then sell and Stephen Works thus than wasting time. Validate this upfront. Collect a small group of people to even create it with and then it sort of rock and right from the start so in terms of pricing. Like how do you help? People understand what price a membership at well typically memberships on a front end membership and we talked about the two differences a front end membership back membership. A front of membership is typically lower price point anywhere from a low of ten dollars a month and I wouldn't encourage anybody membership less than ten dollars a month but low end ten dollars to upwards of. I would say round one hundred dollars a month. That would what I would classes of front end membership and when I'm thinking about a pricing a membership regardless of whether it's front end or back in I always encourage people to start lower and then raise your prices later. The worst thing that you could do is overpriced membership. So let's say you start high and you realize oh my goodness I've overprices. I gotTA lower. We think that our members are going to say. Oh great now I get the same thing for cheaper. That's actually not true from my experience what happens is it actually starts awkward conversations because people are like wait. A minute you mean I've been overpaying this whole time. I should get a refund. For those months that I was overpaying. And you're like no. You're getting a great deal verses. If you flip the psychology what if you start low and then you raise your price later. All those early founding members they're like Oh am G. Did I ever make the smart move to get in early and so it rewards them for taking that on you earlier and that's the thing that I love is rewarding those early members in so whatever you do decide to price start low res your price later now back in membership is typically a higher price point because is typically coming after a course people understand the value of your information and more importantly they understand the value of having implemented that information so we see back in memberships anywhere from one hundred dollars all the way up to eight hundred dollars a month as an example? And so there are many ways to structure the membership. But I get clear on the type. 'cause that's greatly going to influence the price and then certainly start low and raise your prices later. I'm there's so much involved. Obviously but it's such an important opportunity. I think is right in front of us that we hadn't really considered yet which is really wanted to bring you want and this is. Nobody's talking about this right now except for you and there are like we talked about earlier a lot of opportunities for sure now the reason why. I wanted to bring you on as well because I know the timings kind of perfect in a sense because you are launching tries again for another round of students and if you wouldn't mind just sharing a little bit about what's involved with that again if this is of interest to you I'd definitely recommend checking out what we have available for you so I know April twenty third is the big date. There's some stuff happening then. What happens then? What can people get access to whether they choose to continue to work with you or not actually get involved with tribes and build their member of for you or on their own like tell us the journey? What would be best for people to go deeper with memberships at this point? Well first and foremost I want to encourage everybody regardless of what you decide to do to begin thinking about how to add recurring revenue into Your Business. Because the fact of the matter is is it creates tremendous stability. This is why we see big companies like the Amazons. The apples the net flicks spotify but even companies like Burger King. Yes Burger King rolled out a membership in the last year. Five dollars unlimited coffee five bucks a month and why would they do that because one yes it creates stability from the income but to it brings people back into the restaurant on a more frequent basis of which there mu- very much likely going to buy more food and car companies even Nissan and BMW? Are ROLLING OUT MEMBERSHIPS. Where you can get a new Nissan car every single day. If you wanted to but for eight hundred dollars a month you can again lease and rent a car. But it's on a membership and subscription and so there are big companies doing it but there are every day companies as well. You know like Whether it's a we get a weekly box of vegetables. Organic fruits and vegetables delivered to our door every single week. And that's on subscription or whether it be a never forget when we moved into this. House one night amy and I are lying in bed and we hear like a mice running through the walls and Amy Freak. She's like we. GotTa move babies. We just came into this house and Long Story Short. I called the exterminator and he came in. He said Yeah. We totally get rid of this problem for you. He said but he said you are living in a wooded area so you can get rid of the mice for now but it's likely they'll be back however I get rid of this problem for you so you never have to worry about it. If you're interested in our maintenance plan and I was like yes please again. It's another subscription model some sharing with people because at the end of the day. It doesn't matter whether you have a product based business service based business a knowledge base business community based business. You can do this and you absolutely should because it will create stability in your business and eliminate a ton of stress now starting on April twenty third once a year. I host a free workshop and during the Free Workshop. I basically unpack ten plus years of working with tens of thousands of business owners in all kinds of different markets from photography calligraphy to fitness and finance and music art health dog training and so many more and at the end of the day. What we're going to do in that. I live training is help you identify whether a membership is a good fit for your market and specifically what type of membership would be a good fit for your market and then in the second live training. We're going to unpack and talk about. What are you actually provide in membership? Because many times people think the more content I create the more value I provide and that's actually not true. In fact the number one reason that people cancel from a membership is too much content and as soon as the seed is planted that all my goodness. I'm paying for something that I'm not using. It's a matter of time before they leave. And so it's not about loading them up with more content. What YOU WANNA do. Is You want to get into a rhythm of learning and doing learning and doing because it's helping them make progress so in that second live session. We'll talk about what specifically to provide. That's going to help members make the most amount of progress and number. That's a number one and number two so that you don't overwhelm them or yourself. You don't want to be on the content hamster wheel and so we'll show you exactly what to do. And then in the third live training we're going to break down the five key areas of a membership starting with Your Foundation Strategy Your Content Strategy Your Marketing Strategy Retention Strategy and Growth Strategy and in fact. We'LL UNPACK IT with this beautiful mind map. That visually breaks it all down. And we've had people who have literally lost memberships off the back of that. Free Resource Sandy over in Africa Last two years ago she lost a membership site just off that free training for virtual assistance. And so it's a super meaty. Awesome an actionable free workshop. It all starts April twenty third. Come join US cool. So head on over the smart passive income dot com slash tribe to go ahead and check that out will redirect you there and again. That's free training and this is again. Why new ringing stew on to talk not just about the opportunity but also he has some great stuff that can help you and you can even take action on right now. So if you're watching or listening to this before nobody's watching this were all listening but If you happen to catch this just no matter. When smart passive income dot com slash tribe is where? You WanNa go Stu Thank you so much. Any final words of advice for those who are You know sitting at home right now. We are itching to get stuff done and we know that we can do it. But there's mental blockers there. I know you've gone through a lot of Training to help people through the mental aspect of this which I think the most important thing. Can you speak to that a little bit for those who are at home knowing they WanNa do something uses opportunity? But they're still having those doubts in their mind. The thing that I would say is to ask yourself this question. How can I make this super simple? You know more often than not the reason you're not taking any action is because you're overcomplicating it and you're over thinking things but I want to give you an example like there's this amazing story of Cheryl Hatch from our community and Cheryl wanted to launch a membership site. But the thing that freaked her out was the tech and she could have waited and waited and waited and put it off but she didn't. She didn't let that get in the way she ask yourself. How can I keep this super simple so for her? Her response to that question was well. I'm familiar with email. So here's the amazing part about this story PAT. She launched her membership site. She delivered the content via email for two years for two years and during that time. Welcome more than six hundred fifty paying members before she ever launched a member's area and so I'm sharing it with everybody because the key is to just keep it super simple and the reality is when you take action. You get the clarity and so the sooner you take action the more clear you're GonNa get and it's going to lead you to where you WanNa go but you've got to do something now and so that's what I want to encourage everybody to do is keep it simple and take action now. Thank you appreciate you. My friend Thanks for helping out and Offering so much value to the world especially now and people really need it so Take care and hope to chat with you again soon. Thanks Pat and appreciate all that. You're doing my friends so appreciate you having me Thanks for helping. So many people pay hoping joy that interview with Stu if you want to check out those free workshop videos that he has if you are interested now in building a membership or even just exploring that head on over to smart passive income dot com slash tribe smart passing dot com slash. Tried if you WANNA see the other free resources that we have made available to you Lots I mean. We've given away for two point. Two million dollars worth of our courses and books over at smart passive income dot com slash tool kit But like I said earlier I think this membership opportunities huge. My team and I were working on something as well. We're learning from STU. There's nobody else who had recommend for this kind of stuff and so definitely check out the free stuff that's available to check this out You can go to smart passive income dot com slash tribe one more time smart passive income dot com slash tribe. Thank you so much. There will likely be more urgency podcast episodes showing up in the future sort of intermixed within our normal Wednesday Publishing schedule. But yeah appreciate you. Thank you so much and hope to see live on the morning show at Pat Dot com slash the income stream. I go live every morning on Youtube. That's called the income stream that's right and You can join the community there a lot of fun and I answer your questions. Do some website reviews a lot of great stuff but Yang here to help and here to serve hopefully enjoyed this episode and Wishing you all the best take care. Good luck and we'll see bye.

founding member stu Mike he facebook Instagram Steve mcclaren SBA Carrie Levi UK Patty Eric Clapton Paul Evans Ohio Anna Gilio Emily Jeffords Pat Dot Tamra Bennett Africa
MTV The Challenge RHAPup | Total Madness Reunion Podcast

Reality TV RHAP-ups: Reality TV Podcasts

1:03:33 hr | 2 months ago

MTV The Challenge RHAPup | Total Madness Reunion Podcast

"And A. and. Oh everyone and welcome back to the challenge total man up, Casper, the reunion I am Brian Phone here with me as Michael's Algeria Elliot, how are you? You. Know? We're here. We're doing it. I thought this was You know some people message me that this was boring, but I've thought it suited the season I still got my same reunion. Vibes from watching them even over zoom. What did you think yeah I didn't mind it. I was actually Kinda surprised about how much actually happened the season. I think they actually had a good amount to talk about when it felt like. A lot of the things that we see. There was those strategies, so I guess there was other stuff I kind of forgot about all the other stuff that happened. That's actually a segment. We're talking about Oh. That's a second worth. That's worth argument so I thought. Was Pretty Good I. Don't know if we got a lot out of it, but in the moment I was kind of enjoying it so I guess that's really all that matters. It's again almost like it's a price. We pay for having professional reality people as our. Cast always is like no one's really besides like an Ashley or ninety GonNa. Go Rogue, and fully spill the tea so. We, we take. This is sort of a produced reunion. I mean to me. Bananas was as much of a host of the reunion as Vernon Davis. Yeah I mean they really should've just happened. Honest the CTO because they were, they were the ones fielding. They can toss out the tougher questions, so that should just been what the show was. which actually would be pretty entertaining this? One of the cats off the season host the reunion I think that would actually way to go about it rather than bringing in someone for the Pros Joe's version, three point zero season. Yeah I think they're. They're beyond needing a host. I felt the same way they could have facilitated this conversation on their own with like sort of CT and Nisha and bananas like sort of taking the editor, the more level headed people at least this reunion taking the lead, but. It does like once. You officially sanctioned like bananas as the host of the reunion I. Think we've gone too far, but I would be okay with it in a quote to the audience informal. Conversation that is actually host and produced by. All sees you could have done ct because he was offered so little cut. Perfect the way. I think that would have. been as hosting reading. I think that would have driven the conspiracies even further that this was wreck for him the way that it kills. They're even talking about why he's so great. That was one of my biggest takeaways from the union is just like. I know I was hard on ct this season, but like Oh. I missed him like it was so nice to see him. He had a lot of great funny moments from outside. On the show and then the clip like the outtakes also. The one clip of hippy and Mike is also. Let's talking about how great it was the CB losers. Thousand a great moment, so yeah, he he was missed of during the season for sure. I loved the like all right, asked me two or three questions at once I can become. Three questions I bet you could just take off the rest of the hour and all we've. Yeah? No, I feel like that's big me energy anytime. I'm interacting with like Akiva. It A. Stick around for the bill. Do my par-. Leave about. Let's talk about Vernon Davis you know not to enforce gender norms on you but I. have no idea who this is nothing to do with my gender, I don't know who Vernon Davis is Ryan. Hillyard says how did Vernon Davis end up posting? This was the MS busy or It's a good question. I have absolutely no idea it's only we're in his well known football, like unless you really like into the NFL fantasy, and and some of the teams. He's been probably don't know who he is, so I don't know what he's been doing that like. He would have been popping up in the world so this. This was surprising to see hosting this. I am quickly scrolling through speaking of Akiva, Akiva texted me or message me whatever. A very funny thing and the moment passing as Oh. He said Vernon Davis the three hundred and twentieth best player in the NFL so random. He must have a good agent. A. Maybe. He's part of the CBS by stuff like that because now since he's now world. Maybe that's the crossover. If part of the premium show I can't I don't know if he's starting to do that now. BE I. Don't know it's it's very odd. It's very odd. How'd you think he did Otter? Not Honestly don't think he was. Bad I thought HE S. Whether he wants to show another. Probably not it seemed like he at least got good cliff. Notes understand what was going on. I thought the questions were fine I think he. Asked him follow. UPS were needed I. Don't know I I don't think he took away from it. He wasn't the best, but I thought he was fine. Yeah I was a little stiff like I didn't really have far. Be It from me to critique him, but he did say that bananas and West Have Been Fighting for twenty years. which isn't saying I. Mean I just think the editing should have been better on that and not not aired him saying that, but I don't yeah. He obviously has no idea what's going on which is fine. I thought he was like a little robotic. What I want in a host is someone who's going to ask the tough questions. Bring me Nessa. Had this conversation with Johnny leg and Molly today like they're like. We like Valentina that. Valentino was a little messy. But at least I want you to be able to stop the fights after too long. I mean that wasn't really zoom issue. But when people are screaming for attention, let's be able to stop those fights pivot, but also ask follow ups and I think that's our vernon loss. Me Thought he was good enough host, but he just let everybody say as much or as little as they wanted. He didn't press anyone. He didn't like even when Ashley he asked. Ashley, directly about. The J. Bananas and Morgan Thing, and that happened on MTV and he was like. Do you have a response to that? It's like that's fact that there's nothing to dig. We know what happened asking direct question anyway, so he obviously wasn't my favorite I I. Don't know why they don't try to be more consistent with the host. It feels that they really just randomly every season bringing someone new. There's no I don't know why. Why they wouldn't want to get someone to this year after year to like either a get them reps to do this and then be in this world so much you understand whether or not you're watching the show or not. If you have done this three or four times, you can pick up. What happened pretty quickly, so it's very odd why they wouldn't want to have someone be more established as the host for this. Also, like there are so many people especially in the sports world, who are fans of the challenge if they want a sportsperson. But yeah I mean somebody in our threat and the patron group posted like who should be the host and fully Bay Shimon said Devon Cima, which I think is a great suggestion. I absolutely I she will, she'll be great. One hundred percent I think it happened so one part of this world do it would be one hundred percent the way to go. She's from the challenge world. She's been in a final. She has connections. To deeply ingrained end. She's a professional host like it's all. Check check check. All right, so we have to get to the fashion. That's the best part of any reunion for you. I know Caitlin glancy says what was your favorite and least favorite it. So for me, not the Alphabet, but I enjoyed bananas, clearly having the most professional and largest Mike just like taking up three quarters of his camera. I very much enjoyed his his zoom look. It, was so exciting to see honestly very distracted by everyone's backgrounds in their homes. It's really wild to see the income disparity, the wealthiest Maradi between bananas and West, and like pretty much everybody else on the cast, at least as it comes out in their homes. Yeah, I love Josh in case you were. Quarantine for big brother. I love that. No, you don't love that that. Why don't I love that? Because they were not always quarantining together, they flew to Miami like him. Casey Casey's girlfriend Mattie. We're like on boats in Florida, which is like now that the hub of the virus without mass altogether, and they had not been there since March. I started thinking back. I don't that is funny. It challenged. People are horrific. Forget West this thing I mean forget it. West is thing plus them in Miami, plus like Angela, who you know I stand just flew to Miami to meet Janelle for maximum the beach and they're doing in Miami like in what World I. Honestly I, can't. Stay inside I'm disgusted. Is this thing over? Is that done? Did, it ever have start. Thinking, happen at some point and I feel like probably what if it was still going on as far as more people wouldn't of been there. Pop them, maybe more people wearing at the same time. SORTA kinda throughout the caused harm relit. So. Let's say I do love. A lot of the women had flowers in the background. Like not like you know. They don't always have flowers like I'm at random wall behind them just like casually cropped into frame. Lot Of redecorating in a few hours before this for sure, I'm sure. I have to say feel like the bedrooms. A strange choice like corey was in his bedroom. Jenin Zack were in their bedroom. We're choice. I feel like for Zoom, call. Motor the bed in the background. But here's why they will be in separate rooms. That makes sense. That's a requirement. Yeah I mean who knows maybe. Taylor and the baby, any other rooms, the better. I thought that. They probably went out or like the chance or something. They had other places to go. I feel like if you're doing zoom reunion, and you have a baby, they're not staying in the house, but maybe you're right. What do we think of that? What are we gonNA Nominees Camera Angle being preposterously off to the fact that anytime. She was when she was young. Say It looks like she was just straight young at the ground that was throwing me off the whole time. It was very strange like I bet she has like a Webcam that you can like pop on your computer with. It's like attached ceiling. Basically, it was like. Why did. In Priroda Ninety, maybe lower the camera, a little bit to give the illusion release looking there. Now that's the best angle from on high. So deal with it. Let's talk outfits though I did, I did contact our fashion correspondent, molly black, who did not have much to say but. She said Bailey, and big t look gorge. Jenny seemed like she did tube barely saw her I. Don't know an shocked me. I'll echo I think Bailey. What's interesting? This sort of the reunion? Where like car was ahead of her time in terms of what dress was appropriate because like? Car. I feel like really pioneered the extremely casual reunion outfit. And in these zoom reunions I've watched them on Bravo. You know this is like you know vanderbilt rules. Did it did it and the people who are like turning up like it's a regular reunion in. Tel Dress I. Think always look stupid while beautiful. They look stupid I think this cast actually by and large nailed. The I'm at home, but I'm going to. You know, Kyle an idiot. Corey and they're like t shirts, but. Nelson I thought had a great look. He was pulling that shirt. That's a hard shirt to wear. I thought Nelson was pulling it off. I thought ninety were the perfect dress like the daytime kind of, but still cute dress Bailey, the epitome of effortlessly gorgeous like it looked like she threw on whatever, but it ended up being like the most gorgeous color on her, and I want dress amazing. Ashley. Will always give you the mandatory drink of looks like they're gesture there on vacation she she was wearing like a long sleeve sequin number that I lived as yes Ashley. Okay Ashley go ahead. Put that on. You've why not dress up, but then she reveals that it's literally just like a Bra Crop Top. And she's full torso under who toaster her can loved it now. That's the worst dress honestly, but I loved it because it was Ashley. Ball all great points. I like the West being called out for being a politician on his off very funny. Comparison yet. Kyle, where a basically ripped up shirt, not the best like other than that I think everyone everyone look great. I also like that West shaved his beard. Yeah, he did. Kudos to him or whoever encouraged him to do that? Eight. And this is something that I didn't even realize happens really on zoom reunions, but they definitely didn't have all. However, many people were there at once. We had the small groups. We had them cycling out. I. Think we definitely got some cut. Reactions of people laughing. Who probably weren't even like in zoom for that part of it for sure. For that part I thought they did really smooth nice transitions, but how worried was josh that he wouldn't have the opportunity to pick a fake fight with somebody more important than I'm sure he probably did that. The first Shansi ad or at the second on camera make sure I get my fight in. To make sure that makes air especially with West. Doubly perfect. I'm sure you took every opportunity that. I did love how when they talk about. The final swaggie remains in frame with Baileigh. Josh gets cut out. Josh. One more technical question. You mentioned bananas big microphone. There were so many. Between the technical I didn't already say this. My brain is like no I. Don't think so. I'm having bad Deja blue and I'm like would brian drug if I already said the same sentence today, but I don't think you would think he were just running through questions clocked out for the best so. Yeah I was GonNa say it's because you're you. Don't listen, but I didn't WANNA. Be Mean about it, but since he said it all right, so so some people had these secret service earpieces that coil behind. Bananas has a microphone. Kenny's got like shitty headphones. What happened like I was trying to think about it like maybe in the US, they sent them these earpieces. But They Josh and Casey. CASE SPLITTING EAR buds. Maybe the weeks leading up to it, they are a weekly. They did test runs, and whoever failed. They got upgrades and everyone else at to do what they had. I don't know how the the behind the scenes that this would get set up. It's yeah, it's a good question. Why Jenny's wearing like you know ten dollar headphones and also the. Set up I don't know how those things get decide. It's very very interesting. Yeah I. Like how survivor because it was so early like gave a sort of behind the scenes of how they accomplished. It I think that would be cool. Maybe include that in the next week's thing. Ra! As we get into the discussion here. Not a lot of attention paid to really Jenny or bananas. In terms of being the winners I feel like they sort of Yada Yada that they did not give Jenny Kudos unless I missed it of being the overall winner. Jenny winning the million just to re edit. And then we have Jenny being like well. Listen, listen listen. I'm not a champion and actually liked bananas here, lifting her up and being like no, you win one super bowl champion. Yeah, if you want to see legend or like some other Grand Jewish word, you could say that, but champions is all. That's just one so spun. She, she apparently the greatest of all times saying you'd. Also yeah, do you think it was related to the controversy or just that? It wasn't that exciting result like I? Feel like they really did not discuss the win. Then, you really didn't even discuss the final at all. Even altogether, some of the intricacies I. Mean I guess not having Rogan. They're probably took away for some of it for the guys because they couldn't talk about the elimination and decisions, but yeah I was surprised. They didn't really go full in-depth. But what is it really to talk about like? Oh, how tough was the truck through the snow? It was tough. Out there is a segment. Yeah they sort of. I feel like they played Bailey out, and yes Melissa was pregnant and I don't think she deserves shit for quitting but like. They really they like. Re showed Bailey quitting and saying and TJ saying finals aren't for everyone obviously when they show Melissa quitting they more of like a heroic effort to have triumphed, and I was like really okay, but did you know and maybe I just close watcher of the show whatever? Did. We know they were in Austria. I don't think solitaire and said pack up lead, but I. don't think they ever specifically said where they were going to. Although they probably did and like you said. That is why named her daughter that right Vienna. That's where she. There, you go to make that connection. Because I was barely. I went to a hospital in Australia's. Records crab. don't ask me. I truly couldn't care. Let me make this clear that I could not care less post-season last time where we didn't know where they were the entire time. So at least this is just the final. That was this season we were like we don't know where they are then. He sees it. It's crazy that she found out that she was four months pregnant. That's while I mean it's wild. It's just so crazy impressive that she was able to do all that and Mike handle all that and. It's it's. It's wild. I could never never never imagine. How did you were you aware of the rumors that the baby was kyle that had escaped me. Yeah, that that missed by wave like? Anything that was saying I'm not surprised that would pop up. Surprising got as much I thought it would be of any. Jokes here there, but the fact that it seemed to be like a legitimate pain that bad to address this kind of crazy. Yeah, and then it seems like they're still addressing it like I think the the answer is I think Kyle and Mel have chemistry can be platonic chemistry. Who cares the reason like? They definitely have chemistry together. I would ship them. Yeah, I mean. They clearly got along great all season. They clearly have a very close friendship but Yeah A. If they wanted to go things further for them, it'd be great together. Did you catch Corey killing a bug. This conversation read Cube. Had the throwback are memorable moment with the bug? So that was very probably okay, so let's take. Let's take tangent. What made you re? Post it so for anyone is a new listener. There I went back and listened. Which is why raising it? Because the best part was cut out real, there was nothing that happened. I listened to it I was in my time office. Three or whatever it was like Oh. This is the moment or this is the podcast. Wait, say that again. It was Mike Fire Time Hop. On this day and I don't know what time happens. Either I'm one of the cool kids. Know what it is. I see boomers posting. Tame hops, but I never investigated getting it. Rolling with my morning coffee I see what was that tweeting about this two three four or five years ago? And you're you don't like to revisit what I was tweeting. Drew Berry. No I mean so basically I was. This was my one L. Summers. This was like two years ago three years ago. Whatever who cares two, thousand, seventeen and a giant ass bug I? Remember I described it on the podcast. It's thirty minutes in like almost exactly and I describe it. Explain it, but then. Obviously shadow to Scott saint-pierre or US, but definitely Scott I miss. You listen you transition fluidly forty five minutes. and. Then you make a joke about a bug and I'm like Brian saying that because we decided to call it for five minutes while I screamed about the bug, so we stopped recording, and you listen to me. I thought it was. I thought it was more on the podcast. I don't know if later in the PODCAST. It doesn't get worse, but the part that I really remember like screaming and running around and trying to kill it and making it worse, that was not that got cut out very seamlessly because I didn't notice the jump. But I will say I could not even make it through our own podcast. Shout out to the listeners of this I. Don't know how you deal with it I literally wanted was actively trying to listen and had to turn it off. There's nothing worse than the sound of your own voice so I I can't imagine listened to myself. Talk either so. It wasn't even that. You'd be quality. Outages were saying it was just so bad. It was just. It was funny. That's the season it was episode one and that's the season where we did like a preview and we forgot Nelson all. Star, we've come. Now a top of the heap. Released says more about Nelson. He's really improved. Okay. Let's get back to this. Sorry, so corey kills a bug. But. I think Oh, so they roll the footage there, they they call the snitch outline and they roll sneak C. Three scenes of Mel and Kyle. Did you find anything damning in the in the? Euro. Explains the splice together like a few to second clips of a you can make anything seem bad. In those moments, it doesn't look good, but. Given the context of the whole I, it doesn't I think the whole grand scheme would make me not seem as bad but yeah those two seconds. It seems like it's more than flirting, but I mean. Short context that make anything like that. I, the one the first clip was the worst and then I thought the other two were very like. Whatever Matt Stuart says I felt so naive, seemingly being the only one shocked about Kyle and Melissa tape that was revealed. I must be flirting wrong because that was way more than any flirting. I've ever done now. Thought that Kyle for anyone I know some people are skipping the reunion. Basically, they rolled footage of. Mel Sitting on Kyle's lap and kyle hand down her sweatpants like in harass so yeah, not great. You're being generous to say cut two minute clip I would venture to guess Brian that I could not find a two minute clip of you doing that and you're not even on live television. Like it's like you know that's that's wild. Like that is really wild to then say oh, it was just friendly flirting. Yeah, no, I'm sure, but it's also different like I mean. I know that I. Don't think Melissa's with. The baby. That was a girlfriend. Okay, so it gets back that. is. What is your girlfriends? Say about the rumors now. Maybe Kyle was single on the show and is now. That's what I. Thought, okay, so maybe that then who cares but I thought it was being shown because it was like 'cause then I did like how the host went around and was like how would? Taylor, react and I love Corey, being like I could never get away. Making the sale of joke, Mike and I saw my mind. Instead I have Nelson. Sit on my lap. Once again, making it a his best season for sure Oh. My God I love Koreans. I found myself watching Corey's instagram story. I Follow Corey, obviously and Cheyenne, and writer K does. Some exceptions but But Corey. Was Watching Corey is like working out and it's like yeah, get them gains. I'm working out like I'm make room scared. Whatever showing his ads and I found myself being like. Oh, I hope he wins the season forgetting that he is already lost. Rewrite go back to time. Still Rooting for he. But the the most interesting part. I think of the reunion. Really was the Noni of and all ninety out that was. Some interesting discussions I think I agree. Well far, be it for me to shame anyone for being a neighboring wanted. What was what was going like naughty was not. A sober non I. DON'T WANNA like I. Don't know, but we've seen enough of Donnie and it seemed like she was already in an emotional place. Let's say that well. She says he was up since foyer. I mean if you're saying you're up since for, and that would make me believe. It's probably like at that point six seven PM. Of, you don't say like if it's nine am up since four. I think he's got a lot later in the day, so she's probably been awake for twelve thirteen hours about point. So you're you're read on Noni? WAS THAT WAS TIRED? Tired exhausted wants to be done with this. Probably have these conversations. A lot already just hates rehashing a moment that she says herself that she's very embarrassed by just wants to move on. And now she asked to reconstruct it. You know how I feel alcohol zone the enemy. This to me felt like we were protocol podcast. Not Well not on TV well, maybe watching TV, but I feel bad for ninety here. Maybe it was exhaustion, but like la she settles the case east of. I again. This is where I wanted the host to more. The host says Vernon says. Casey you said you kissed in the episode and he's like she's like. This and then we move on okay. What I did not expect. Is What Noni. Start blaming and Lisa like you say like Oh. She's tired. She's sorry she's so I'm million times. Not it comes out hot with I watched the episode now and with fresh eyes. You an ISA are a bad friend, and therefore I'm absolved from the horrible house of horrors I unleashed on you. I did not have that on my twenty twenty Bingo card that honey will flip situation on an ISA. I don't think she was saying she's absorbed I think she's just see that she maybe isn't one hundred percent the way. Maybe she's less to blame. Because I did understand what ninety was saying she was like. We're the ones that are close friends, and if you had a problem with someone of that, I was doing. Why wouldn't you come to me? Instead of the girl that I'm flirting with and I? Do understand that I i. get her point. I get her frustration, she. Set it in went about the wrong way, but I understand her frustration with what did. Forgive an ISA for holding for once the person in the relationship accountable. You know like I, didn't I thought. A niece actually really handled it while she came and she's like all right. Let's unpack this first. You're acting like we're best friends. You didn't treat me like your friend in the house at all. You had one two and I was close with Casey, so. Okay Fair enough. Then Noni. Your mess when you're drunk, I mean she said tough to talk to, but like would you wanNA approach a drunk Noni? You'll be very difficult. And Casey not only is the calmer one she's. The more level headed one. She's the one who actually could put a stop to this in a way that if you talk to Noni while she's drunk. Look what happens and she's got something they'll lose. I, actually was thought it was refreshing to finally be like. Ninety. Yet noni shouldn't be flirting with someone who has a girlfriend, but it's ultimately Casey's job to draw the lines bureau, the barriers and say. I'm with my girlfriend. This is cross the line or I. Don't want this across line or whatever so. I don't think it's that insane Ferdinand to go to the person with the girlfriend and say hey, this might not look great to your girlfriend back at home. It's Kinda crazy for Casey to come in this easy to from? Big Brother Watch for one hundred days and she really had. A snippet of drama and she was very much a focal point of two of the biggest dramatic events of the season with this whole triangle, her her thing with Bailey, so it is kind of crazy. How much he's really one of the dominant dramatic parts of this reunion. Yeah and I think it shows like it's another pro in the it'll be interesting in an ulcer season of big brother how this pans out, but like when you don't have prior relationships and you come into a fresh house, and you make a six person alliance that you just win now in stick through the whole time you know it's less drama, but when you come in with shorter messy baggage, and you have old friends and new friends and choices and. You know relationships back at home. You know that definitely changes. The alcohol definitely changes the game especially when you're pulling people from the same show. From the seems like season like big brothers, obviously I'm sure like the community, and even if you're not on the same season, you probably starting to like a friendship and hang out with each other outside before this show rather than picking you know one or two people from all these random shows you how they used to be of the railroad where people would be like a community. Each other before even going into the challenge, even if they weren't part of the same season so doing that with big brother, maybe some other shows would even add that to allow. Characters the have some history with each other to kind of cultivate and get further along during these seasons. There you go. Yeah sure. Come on, come on. Give us your tired. Your drunk. Your huddled masses. Where will the? First Big Brother. I. I. Get what you're saying. Maybe. Ninety has a leg to stand on what she completely loses me here the way she goes about it and Marie and Jimmy and some other people have been talking well before this about mental health and reality television, and the ways in which networks don't provide support for people who show up on a show, and face the wrath of the Internet and people like us and people worse than us. And that's real and like I. think that's that's a problem that I think should be glad. People are talking about. I know you know. Hannah Shapiro talks a lot about it. But. So, so maybe it. Got A lot of. Obviously we're not thankfully like on the forums contributing to hate and so therefore we're not seeing the hate. That Nani got as a result of this, and maybe that's. Impacting her here, but I think she ended up making herself. Look a lot worse by having this reaction because then. When a Nissan takes to a place of like. Well was it right or wrong? Like regardless of if I, should have come to you like the things you said to me and you put your hands on made like I wouldn't have done that regardless of what you did, and I let an I made it okay like I was okay with it and then threatens to leave. She I think she has an overreaction to being held accountable and again. She's probably dealing with a lot. Obviously over to a lot of things, but You know like of course I feel bad about it. I'm ashamed. I'll never do reality television again. I'll walk off again. I think trying to make yourself look like the victim in a situation where you did harm is not a sympathetic position to take, even if she has suffered as a result of her own actions. Donnie probably faced a lot of internal struggles, washing her back and watching probably. Being on TV for? That'd be close to a decade now for it's. It's got to be a lot. Connor who watching says? Non Is actually done with reality TV because of her actions towards an ISA, or will we see her messy self back next season I'm sure we'll see her mousy self exit. She's so essential to the show. That's a thing like you know. We see Noni later I. Mean it was absolutely hilarious when she comes back and is like me and an Easter fine. I'm over it like that was really. That's what I think I. This was not a normal, not like whatever, but but she ends up walking off the show and they show it in like. An outtake. Oh, she's like you know what I'm done. I've had enough encloses her laptop and we're to believe that she just like left. Rate was at your take I think so because you just you know closed out unplugged in I went to sleep. She doesn't seem easy to work with you know, but I do think she is essential to the show such that she as long as it's not. Acting in a way that will get you removed from the show I think she could be as difficult to work with as she wants to be. She's coming back. She's getting invited back time and time again. Because Magin this season without ninety I mean imagine this reunion without ninety. There was nothing going on. I think as long as she wants to come back for the foreseeable future. She'll be back. Worry, though I don't think it's good for her like it's clearly bad for her. I mean luckily, but with everything going on this is now probably going to be an extended break from reality TV, so it'd be nice to recharge the batteries and get away and then whenever this show comes back she. will be in a better space better space. which is wild because she talking, she's set the tone for taking a break and coming back and. Is Worse. She's bad right. Pornography. Did you get any more clarity on the BASI basically? Bassi situation the Bailey Casey story line. I mean it seems like it's just. Came into the house seemingly least from Bailey side of it closer friends Dan I. Think Casey realized they were, and then the one thing that I got out of it was it seemed like Bailey threw the first punch in regards to y things started to unravel when Casey brought up at Bailey, was starting the throw her under the bus to tribunal and billy kind of Greek. She never really denied. That was necessarily openings so the fact that it happened. It does add a little more credence to Casey turning her back on. If she if she felt, it was already during our. What dot she did because she said like you should have come to me and said I heard this and then. I was like well. She's not really denying it, but then she said Noni was in the tribunal. Why would I do that? That would be stupid so to me. I thought she was denying it. But. We've Seen Bailey when she is like. No, this didn't happen denial mode and she. She wasn't really acting like that which? ADDS Koreans I think probably did either. Maybe she didn't mean it like the way out, but she. said it in of way that would make Casey believe it did happen so A. We've seen barely getting super like defensive mode, and that's just not how she seen. She said I wouldn't do that in front of Noni. That would be stupid so. They had a miscommunication obviously like. And then they even have a miscommunication over whether or not. They talked about it like Casey Casey's like I did come to you and Bailey's like. No, you did it and I think they leave it at. They're not going to be friends but Edward. Morris says and this is maybe a big brother cast boiler although I don't care. Give you second to skip ahead. Edward Moore said how much will be here about the challenge? Big Brother, all stars so basically, Casey, Josh and Bailey are all rumored to be on this next season starting August fifth. So it will be interesting if their lack of friendship beholds up. Yeah, that'd be great I think they've on might be on it this a whole. Challenge sorel taking over Bay brawler. Cursing McGuinness had one of the greatest tweets of all time because polycom. Got It's the challenges to big brother one show. Well, he was rumored it was like actually. It's actually cody. There's just rumors like putting Paulie like wait. No, it's whatever. Curses tweeted a picture, cody. Like what you see online when you order it. Like what comes in the? Corinthian Star they should have just got twenty people and film separate seasons of the challenge survivor and big brother all at the same cast show see what happens. There you go silence silence. Maybe what is he talking about? Oh you said. This is what I said before. I was like never said that to me. It was more me thinking like I haven't heard you say this. Sure Just like we'll settle this beef west Madonna's after reportedly twenty years, not true. settled. With the implied in. Fifteen years west later says. A. Cool like I to me. My reaction to this moment was like there's no issues here. Move On. It was just like who knew who didn't of course nineties like I knew the time. The real icons suss out I think she wants doing the House for sure. I did love West saying look. We had no bad blood about going against each other. We both are smart. We both thought there were limited time. She wanted to go in I. Mean West isn't going to get aired. Saying like it was a good moment to produce, but that was definitely part of it. But he says the whole premise was that TJ was gonNA lock us off at the end, and with the information I had that was the decision I made. Thank you us. Yeah I know. I still don't necessarily think decision. But yes, with the information you had and the way that you were being lied to I agree. That's kind of always really you know this is eight, or if there was one more I thought it was the right decision, but clearly there were. As many chances as for us to get in those wrongly, he can't know that so I. Stand with him standing by himself. Yeah I'm trying to think. About actually I mean Ashley. Think also had a great moment where. She had. With I am a storyline on me to make one up. That she really calls people out four pre-game in the way that bananas calls her out for being nice to people in the house. She's like yeah. Why Make Relationships Day of I? Don't pre-game and I don't I. Don't manufacturers storylines which I liked it? They aired her saying that because it really is true I think the challenges more willing than other shows to lean into the conversations, people are having about pre-game relationships pre-game stuff. People tweeting you made the storyline up whatever I liked that they're showing that on the screen and I think we're probably a season or two away if they eat both keep coming back for that long for bananas and acid start working together because I I really be so close seeing I just they just have gone into work yet, but I see them working together very soon. And that's. What we've been saying for seasons like it makes no sense for Western bananas to keep going at it like this. I love that they didn't make some fake bullshit like Oh, we got along. We like each other whenever I liked it. They were like we were gonNA keep losing. We had to work together because they were stacking the deck against us. For Bananas Obviously So. I mean said. All right so so then Ashley also. It gets brought up that Ashley tweeted that. Why are we not? Speak for the people actually thank you. Why are we not discussing that? Bananas J. Share Mutual Ex? Barry Fair question. was answered pretty clearly why it was not shown on. The show is Jay said he walked up. The giant seemingly got discussion one of the first days, both they no beef with each other. So what are they gonNA show. I mean I think to me I also felt it was clear why it wasn't shown and I. Think it was at the behest of bananas. Because yeah, of course, nothing comes of it, but how many stories like this would there be a build up for an episode and a half until the vote happens and then Bananas Votes jae-in or bananas and Vote J. in, or whatever like they've make nothing out of something they make something out of nothing. All the time like this was something this to me was why Jay. Jay was cast on the show in the first place and I feel like bananas. Is Very Cagey and interviews about talking about Morgan? Morgan doesn't WANNA do reality TV if she did, we wouldn't be together like I wouldn't want my relationship in the public eye, and they were both so awkward about this when it got brought up, bananas had nothing to say about it like. I think bananas is very strong about not wanting to talk about his relationships and I think they've pretended him in the past with his hookups. and to me, this was again sort of like a blackbox area, and yeah, Okay Jay did go up and say like we have no beef I don't think that they couldn't have made that something. But if they wanted to fully protect them, they probably didn't even show this like I. Don't think if they didn't show actually bringing this up I. Don't know of how many times where people clamoring. Why didn't they bring this I? Really would just was. I don't know. Maybe you're I just to me. It felt very cagey bananas. Show wants to. Talk about it for sure I. Just think if they really wanted to highlight it. They could have just John. This wasn't even that long us. It was like a one minute clip could have easily just cut out. I guess but I mean I feel like that has happened in the past to? We're like they don't air footage of bananas like hooking up, but then they may be talking to this happened or union, and he's like Nah, and then they move on right. I have my tinfoil hat. I think bananas. It's like very well understood that he doesn't WanNa talk about Morgan. Maybe he's Oh. That I'm not saying that I'm just saying I think if it was a fight on the show like Jay needed a fight. I think they would've showed it. I just think he was just. There was just nothing there, and there's just that's. That's why I mean. They cut out parts of other people's. She'll like they out storylines like Tori and US off. That would have played into voting rolls that they did show for whatever reason so I think they just cut things out? Just tell a specific story. I. Just don't think there was any there to show. especially. If As a confessional is not gonNA. Say Anything. They probably can't even spice that into the show, either so I don't know what they really could do. No I was GONNA. Say the same thing that if bananas is unwilling to fight about it know he's smart about it I. Don't know I guess I just felt like he didn't get pressed at all. And maybe he did, and we didn't see it, and he got pressed and he really wouldn't talk about it i. Rob Freeman says Wise Bananas Open about his relationship with Morgan. On the show I understand it when his girlfriend was, a private citizen May shows professional athlete, but they met on the challenge and clearly storylines. Being left on the table reminds me a lot of Stasi. In Law on vk rules, you shouldn't be able to use your status to shield your private life. Everyone else is putting it all out there and he should be, too. I don't know that I agree with this but I also don't agree that. Like I think they banana should talk about it. I. I think if. If it becomes a storyline. It'll be discussed and until does. I think they'll keep it where it is. I guess there was no reason for jd beyond the show otherwise until to not pay off was frustrating to me as someone who watched ex on the beach. What do I think? Everybody has to put their relationship on the stage for the challenge. No, I don't think it's the same as as vander pump roles, but a different show. That's a show like about their lives. This is theoretically game show so. There's people on the show that don't really dive into their personal lives unless it becomes something that's worth talking about. I did think Jay's response is kind of gross. I think Jack. She kind of came off bad at the reunion like when he was like Oh. Man, NYQUIL! You took chick congratulate. House. That was kind of a bad lot leading up to that I. Don't know. What happened Jamie Morgan between us? What happens when you choose between you and it's fine and the Ad Allen throwing me off. That's. What happened with them was bad like like. Morgan was with Jay on the challenge, and then like decided, she didn't want to be with him, or maybe they weren't like. Hot and cold, and then like when across the country, when Joe Bananas Morgan Got Eliminated With Bananas and claims. That? She didn't cheat on Jay. She kind of did reveal at the reunion of it was actually a big storyline in the reunion about some beach, because Morgan and bananas, the season filmed in between ex on the beach and the reunion on the beach so like it really was drama. You know. was bad like it was basically. Bananas Quote Stool Jay's girlfriend, you know. She obviously has agency but. And, so like it's up I. Think Jay should've at least gotten to have a confessional about it being after up, but him deciding to put it behind him for the sake of the game. Even that without bananas is an interesting storyline. I would have liked to see. Maybe, we still may be good if it goes back on the pops up. Yeah, I guess. I don't think I. Think we're done after I mean like Jay's. J to me read so cold. ONSCREEN I mean we're all going through hell right now, so I shouldn't really say anything Jamie's going through stuff. Like if you're sleeping during unions out the best look. He was he was not popping. Popping little, Jay's stopping. I regret that. I support. They, talk about Josh I oh I have is that Josh says he's GonNa take the L., but we actually took the L.. That's that's how I felt about the Josh segment you. Almost, they're not much. Did the Kayla stop was sort of interesting? Get like at least her. Everything went down whereas clear. You know she was going to get out of this relationship and just use bear as the reason. Just I mean. That's what we have speculated on all just kind of the first person. Get it from her. Yes she ties it up. She broke up with their boyfriend cleared up moved out went to the UK for two weeks and I have that out of order, but who cares and that was it? And now she's happy with Sam who again they didn't mention was on ex on the beach, but that's fine. They should a picture of him. So. Yes, she seems happy and. whatevs! Weren't Josh people like Josh came off so well like Yeah Josh handled himself well, and it seems like he got the respect of Noni and Wesson Bananas defending him but I. Just don't find him to be that interesting as of now. I agree is pretty intertwined in this world, though so I think people who are climbing from the never come back. I think that's pretty unlikely. Oh No Josh's definitely here to stay but I just I'm like whatever? I would've thought Tony would be here for the long haul and here we probably his choice though will be my. Oh, of course. Yeah, but who knows some saying? What Joshua's life will end up being true? Maybe it goes. Big, brother, getting doesn't need the money anymore. I would have said. Tony would've never opted out of the child like forget his choice or not I would have thought we'd be Tony on the challenge for forty years. And do you think Tony over comeback? I think everyone will always come back so I'll say yes. I'll come back. What people care if Tony came back? I, think probably still they went, so it was his last season when he was with. Jonah as a rival was at a rival rivalry. Think that was the last season. I'm GONNA say that stick to it. When did he propose? Last night. Yeah I think. That's. An Johnny was that Okay Maria Pine them. We'll go. I just I just think with Tony. It's like I. Don't think he has that many more seasons where people still be excited. I feel like he's got a smaller window. Very Fair is mark long hitting him up for the old schools. He's sitting everyone else up. Fees qualify world. We get a clip back to Nelson's bad days. Reminding US what I love. The Don Nelson with the PORTA potty accusation on Kayla. Was it a lie possibly, but it was a rumor, okay? Fine he didn't make it up. He did hear it, but he knew it wasn't true. It's Nelson's that that was yeah. I mean it's not true, but I heard it. So I get to say it's the challenge. But it's probably falls, but it's here so it's true, was it? You. Believe! It Or a unfortunately, we had to seize Zach I was curious. This is not a question. Anybody really knows the answer to. But if this isn't a zoom finale and this was live is Zach. There is x scaping in or only doing this, because it's a pandemic I would say most likely skype in would be my assumption unless. They still I don't know where they live, but maybe if they think they live in the area so I think. The machine. Okay, it's never mind. I would say probably not I would say he's skype in. Pan Zach he has the ugliest mean Mug on his face, and I have never felt like Zach was more relatable because his face upon seeing himself on the screen, the same as face, seeing him on the screen. And I mean I get people want this? And he literally was not on the season but I think I mean they had to address it, and in the circumstances the back agendas. What are they? GonNa in the room talking about this. In the bathroom just try not to be seen like yes, sure I mean it's definitely do Co. by the fact that it was. It was Janna and Zach Dramas so the fact that Zach would be the house. I mean you put them on the screen? I mean there wasn't there and they were talking about Kayla bear. Yeah I mean I think that's probably. Other factors I think if they were bears like like wife and they were talking about that I think there would have been in the screen I. Guess I'm more saying that I think Zach has done as much. As anyone who is not allowed three union. If we'd never see again, that's totally fine I. Just met for this specific circumstance I mean. It's probably makes sense for him to be that. No, but I'm saying there are a lot of people would made sense to be on the reunion who were not invited onto their union I mean look Jordan Tori live together so i. don't I. Don't know why I'm subjected to seeing Zach when Zach has has done enough to warrant never being on, and he wasn't even on the season, so let Jenna who was asked to be on. Speak for her family, just as Tori, and you know I guess Taylor is not really involved, but Corrie was there without her like you know. I I don't get why he gets to be on to talk about how terrible he acted. Yeah. I'm just just sucks with the general once again, defending him and standing by him. Just clear like I mean I. Know I hope they're happy. It was interesting I mean. I did like hearing Zach. Say like it doesn't matter what I found on her phone. We were stronger than that and I should have known. We would have worked it out and I shouldn't have acted like that I mean he doesn't quite apologize, but he doesn't act justified, although he later than says he was justified, and Jenna is like I would have done the same thing if I thought he cheated on me. I'm going to say zero percent chance. Jenner would have done the same thing. The situation was reversed. From our from our agenda is just not how she act so. Quite out of character. The craziest part was they asked Korea question, and obviously the rumors are that what Zach found involved. Corey and Corey gives Jenna props. Like Oh, I invented Barbie Beast, and like I'm of course. Geno wasn't gonNA. Let Tori win and they cut Zach geno looking so furious as corey compliments her that I was like Oh my God. Guys like pretend to be chill right right and it's already said the same thing that. She thought Geno would be an easy win in happened and a good for Genita-. Out? Also, again, a bad look for I feel like. Another bad look for Tori I mean you didn't agree with me, but I felt like Tori kind of looked bad in that episode and then here she is being like there were reasons I had think that Jenna was going to throw the challenge to me. It's like all right well. That was your fault for going in relying on somebody losing on purpose, not coming to win. You know? Let me just went around if it's a stick, elimination very odd. I did love the genius of End West like confessing I. Think this is why wasn't bananas are able to act so shady and the game? But then like come back from it with the same people, because basically like ninety we discuss like had gone on instagram and twitter, and was like Jenna asked to quit and I'm taking the heat, and like this is unfair, and gentlemen was like I. Never asked to quit, but like. Don't give me shit. And the truth comes out that wes in an order to keep Noni from being angry at him in the game, lied and said Gentlemen and deal with him. Something that could have been brought to Phnom as attention before. She tweeted that her friend was Aligarh, but. This is a classic move for. He brings this up every once in a while. Sometimes, he'll admit to ally to seem honest, so he could lie again in the future. This is a perfect example of it where he comes cleaning. Clean. I'm an honest guy, and then we can come up with a different light from people next season, and be like honest person, and he gets out of it exactly exactly. It's a special skill. Are just two questions and we're going to be done. You know we're going to be out of here. Alicia Rosen, says anyone know Jordan? Was Our he and Tori still together I. Don't follow. These people on social media should forgive me if it's not answer. Yes, Tori and Jordan are still together engage. Let's address where everybody was so a lot of people weren't there? Mattie, wasn't there. Rogan wasn't there obviously wasn't there Jordan, wasn't there? And then I feel like I'm forgetting people, but those were. I think the three the four. Like! What's her name Jan wasn't there obviously but I mean provinces right? And what you got. surprised. That the league knowledge the thing and all. Did you think would bring up like? Ask anyone or anything about that? Yeah. I thought they were going to use it as a teaching moment and I. I wish they would like. That's I mean I know like survivor? That, sort of more than I would expect from the challenge what they did with with Kelly and I'm not saying that was handled perfectly. I didn't expect that I'll say that. But I did expect a conversation about it or an acknowledgment about it I also think some peaceably to fill people in the rumors are and I. Don't think this is really been confirmed anywhere. Is that Maddie and Jordan? And Forget and bear. Were not allowed to reunion do to. Like similar issues or other controversies that MTV has decided they're not allowed at the reunion, and there are further rumors that. Jordan has made some sort of unofficial deal that he'll just like quietly not beyond for like two to three seasons now. This could be totally made up right like we don't know this for sure. I just think what good is being done. By letting these people quietly slink off. And, not you know we've found out the truth about Camilla de gets public gets a banner dropped every before every episode, which again I is deserved. But why are we protecting Jordan and bear if matty if that's the case for them as well? Done things that are just as bad in. Is No. I don't know it's. It's very odd you, didn't you? For whatever reason you don't WanNa go as far as the band one of them for life be like just come out and publicly. They're banned for two seasons. This is their punishment like we. This is what we're doing. It will be weird to you, know they they. D- They WANNA. Take us as they should take a stand against this, they would do not tolerate any more they want to. Be Pub with its odd to then go backwards on it like you were just did it. Just like these people are banned from the reunion, their band for a season there for two seasons, or whatever it is yeah, I, don't know why they wouldn't do that if you don't want. Ban People for life. That's your product. If you do what you want for your your show, but if you're going to ban them. Just make it public. I think Jordan has no business being allowed on this show anymore. That's my I'm going to say that. That's my opinion. I don't know what happened with Barron Mattie. I, just know from watching the seasons of the real world the Jordan. I honestly ashamed that. I forgot that so easily. But I remember watching that I, really remember watching it, and knowing then how horrible it was, there is no oh, it was ten years ago and I didn't know you know how bad that was, and then I've listened to interviews Jordan since not recently, but around the same time. I mean. Question Mark on rehabilitation and things. But like, but if you're banning de there, you have no business, not banning Jordan yeah, and that's where the the slippery slope of where you draw the line. What constitutes it and it's. It's like I got a day. It's a very. It's very complicated thing. Yeah, I mean slippery slope. Feels, like it's like well. Don't do it at all because. You don't know where to draw the line like the decision people need to make. They need to decide where to draw the line, and basically they haven't not very very much dot, and if they're going publicly or on publicly like going back and forth with even doing that is the whole thing is very messy. Alright fly fisherman. Who Do you think needs hiatus? Who Do, you think should come back right now like Corey did. We, just said. You know we miss them a lot, so having him back will be a lot of fun. I mean who who should take a hiatus. The problematic people. I really enjoyed this whole. I like this. This core group of people that we have going right now. I really don't have a lot of people that I'm wishing to not come back. Where do we stand with car? And polly? Now that we've had a season without them. Did you miss them? They miss them vis season, but I do think it's okay for them to come back the mix, and it does I. Think now that we've had a season removed from the kyle thing I really doubt that would pick back up again if they're brought back unless something else happens between them so I don't think subjects of that and I do think they're instrumental. Enough characters that the show would be lacking to not have them at all moving forward so I. do hope they want or both return. a final thought from her fashion correspondent. She actually sent this to me last week, and I forgot juicy that bananas is selling. A Challenge Inspired Replica Jersey for seventy seven dollars and seventy seven cents. Quite the. Price I got the sevens, but maybe do seven dollars and seventy seven cents. I think that would be. A little more apropos for t shirt. Seventy seven, I mean. You don't the. Cell a tenth as much I guess so for him. What is devastating? Is that I'm sure tons of people bought all I'm sure. Seven dollars and seventy seven cents or I might have one not seventy seven dollars though I think. Explain that away. I do think it's challenged Jersey. Material I mean I guess I didn't look I think it's like a Replica Jersey. That's me being generous and saying it's worth maybe more seven dollars, but not certainly seventy seven. Also, shipping so then seven right, so what does that the shipping seven dollars and seventy seven cents? Oh my God I did not look that that much into it. Was the tax included. Nelson, you're out like I duNno, like ninety one dollars and sixty two cents, so let's even the point. I got nothing else. We do a drinking game. So that's fun. That's okay. You don't have social media. I'M NOT GONNA. Thank you. We have one more episodes. You have one more week to get in. Your reviews rob his website. Dot Com challenge tunes. Follow me on twitter at Colin with the Brian the score. Thing you said something so funny about Hunter I was just on the podcast I listened to. That was like I. Forget what you call him being, said something like scathing, not like but scathing about hunter, and I was like Oh my God like if he only knew the original Brian Co and thought of him, he never made insert. Cohen Brian. Still like it's just like over Pasha's so that's the name of Kit. That's a so crazy. Can find the streets. Reunion I! Mean, still I thought it seems the party reunion, or maybe it's they should. They should have shown I. Don't know what they're doing next week. I'll place last episode and some. Other plans. No, I do not so we'll be here talking about whatever the hell they show next week, and that's quite a plug in so that have a go on. Wall In.

Casey Casey corey Josh Bailey Casey Ashley Kyle Don Nelson Mike Jay Noni Vernon Davis US Jenny Jamie Morgan Pan Zach Taylor Jordan Tori Brian Phone Melissa tape
E951: News Roundtable! Antonio Garcia Martinez (Chaos Monkeys, WIRED) & Zach Coelius (Coelius Capital) take on Facebook content moderation, crypto play with Libra & the currency of audacity, Ive departs Apple, trade & surveillance war with China, obliteration of objectivity, forecasts on the death of physical labor, rise in immersive VR & sensory enhancement implants

This Week in Startups

1:17:18 hr | 1 year ago

E951: News Roundtable! Antonio Garcia Martinez (Chaos Monkeys, WIRED) & Zach Coelius (Coelius Capital) take on Facebook content moderation, crypto play with Libra & the currency of audacity, Ive departs Apple, trade & surveillance war with China, obliteration of objectivity, forecasts on the death of physical labor, rise in immersive VR & sensory enhancement implants

"This week in startups is brought to you by envision get envision for startups with unlimited users on the full suite of envision tools plus enterprise level security in support at invision dot com slash twist that i n b i s i o n dot com slash twit squarespace turn your idea into a new website go to squarespace dot com for a free trial and when you're ready to launch use offer code twist to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website site or domain end com seize the day sleep tonight with the help of com the number one app for sleep this week in startups listeners get twenty five percent off a calm premium subscription at com dot com slash twist that's c h l m dot com slash twist upcoming launch event apply ferrara next founder university september ninth and tenth in san francisco at founder dot university and get your free founder pass relaunch scale in san francisco go october seventh and eighth at lunch scale dot net slash tickets hey everybody hey everybody welcome to another edition of this week in startups i'm your host jason kelly canas npr news roundtable even begging us to do a news roundtable with doing all these great interviews another podcast but i decided we would get back to news roundtable times that coleus is with us again how're you doing zach awesome stuff yeah new fund what's going on any announcements enough yet having an outstanding laying there and it's a lot of money to spend though oh yeah it's not enough not announced so i just announce it for you if there was no people no i haven't i just haven't announced officially announcing if you're an angel investor you have an angel is syndicate average check size going our world five hundred million wow growing used to be putting in whatever to get to under yeah and you had the grind it out doing syndicates now which is hard work but now you could just write the whole check yourself that's amazing it's amazing that is they turn still incident could cause a syndicate get backers are amazing they're they're like such a great source of deal for the helmet of diligence they're like they're like my team they're like super regret is one item on the cap table yep but you get fifty to two hundred fifty people helping people don't realize and using go see zack's 'em syndicate on angel list just do a search for zach on angels you'll find it antonio garcia martinez is back with us he of course is the author of chaos monkeys end a contributor wired magazine welcome back to the program gramp thank you let's get right into it a lot of stuff going on and since you're an expert on facebook a you work there for about six months right how long did you were a critical six months though he was on facebook and facebook a company a year before and after the after the year before and after that you're right there in the thick of it a we saw casey from the new york no recode casey verge officially bird joke at this guy's a jesse diverge he just did a story on content moderators and the content made moderators that facebook and i heard him on kerris podcast are dealing with ptsd because they're seeing people murdered tortured animal cruelty nazis everything horrible in the world and they're getting paid thirty grand a year and i thought to myself where in the lowest unemployment employment in the history of the country i believe or a modern day low why are people taking this job to moderate the worst things on facebook if they can't handle handle moderating the worst things in humanity what is your take on facebook's content moderators having ptsd yeah i mean it's really unfortunate but it's understandable 'em you know it's funny in in those two years there's i i i did my tone and content moderation world 'em basically time so chaotic pm for a review team until we had we had a series of content moderators and how this typically workers right you've got a hyper between software and humans right and you try that and try that deploys much more software so that the human sucks up his little of the sort of cognitive load of looking at you know this horrifying content as much as possible right and typically i remember it's a scenic asthma exactly every party at the giving a presentation to cheryl and show that the total number of employees stayed flat and they might have constant reviewed went up and followed the gross and yet system if you do that i mean it literally is almost like you know a a labor productivity plot in like econ one oh one right of where it's like flat headcount in like more and more productivity as technology made it more intellectually dishonest though because they were using x ternal writing about loyalties from contracting companies not they're not facebook employees their crime tractor which wasn't the case when i was there but but i think part of the reason why they've gone to contractors are desperate is because if they might have content you're most moderate suddenly jumps up ended technology isn't there yet you have to their bodies at it and so they just went out and said throws many bodies is possible at it and hence we the contracting firm in florida somewhere wherever the story was in which y'all unfortunately they're just pressing these people not paying them very well and completely right in their minds by looking oxycontin yeah that that was i was thinking like number one i don't mind the outsourcing it because outsourcing it in a way means that you almost have like this more objective third party that they could point to and say like we gave them instructions and they follow the instructions and it kind of gives them that makes arm's length does it does it i dunno in terms of liability i dunno but anyway they're paying them so little right like it literally is like twenty eight or thirty thousand dollars in and i'm just wondering on both sides like you don't have to take this job you don't need to stay in this job and why are they paying them so little given how horrific the job is but if you decided to go work in an industry where you had sensitive content i dunno be adult industry so film industry you wouldn't go work worthy adult in finnish industry and then say i'm really offended by wellbeing pornography i don't think even ashley blamed employees here right i mean look they took a job they may not understood exactly what it was that got into it like everyone else he tried to a job as well as you can they need a job because of whatever i i think i mean i think to me the interesting thing here i think they train them in it explicitly tell but like this is gonna be horrible i never got yeah i'm bored i could say i i think the take away here for me is that when everyone climbers for facebook the moderate more and more content her when when you know journalist say hey the the christ church shooting video is up for eight hours we gotta get that down to six when you're straining the very hairy edge like facebook's ad abilities while to get from eight hours the six or eight hours five minutes or whatever we consider to be a couple of bound that means throwing away more bodies he's at it in order to solve that problem which i mean maybe it's a trade if you wanna make but i think people should understand when they make those demands there's a very realistic real world trade off which is a bunch of people in florida getting paid almost nothing this era videos there try that like stance doing his boss you mean you're you're asking this journalist ashley start thinking little bit before they right right salacious pieces you're asking away too much like i mean it's crazy that would be really like asking them back to sit down and think two minutes about the consequences what they're right it's like you're asking what i see as a writer but i i kind of agree with what you're saying saying that because it seemed to me like he was just telling one side of the story which is like orange you the same journalist who said facebook is responsible for moderating then they monitor rate and now you're saying they're responsible for the mental health of the people moderating well are they like responsible for like if you're that sensitive that you can't handle the worst of humanity to not work any worst worst of humanity review department that's to me the crazy thing i think is putting the blame on employee which i would i wouldn't do i mean i dunno whose brain wouldn't be scramble by staring up beheading videos all day but he's primer don't why would you take that job if you couldn't handle that because we don't know what you don't know you know i think in terms of right here like it's like the day like we have a wall and his legal history of how we deal with basically the consequences of the work you hire people to do and to be put them in a factory and the machine cut their head off you're responsible for that so if you put them in front of evil content and they become happy jesse you responsible play devil's advocate here if you know the deep sea diving and wellbeing is the most dangerous prominent which i think it is those guys those guys get paid a fortune they get paid a fortune i agreed to the pay is certainly an issue here like they should literally be getting paid seventy five thousand a hundred thousand to do the job because it's so traumatic that if we have a lifespan in terms of jobs that in terms of how long you could reasonably do the job before he wanting to get out of there but you don't take the job to be a deep sea dwell you know welder elder unless you are buying into that let's put that aside for a second and go the next john which is i think you're pointing out zach which is why are we are we setting an expectation that all content can be moderated when in fact these companies are based in the bay area which is a city of a few million people and we can't even solve homelessness with seven thousand they were asking the same group of people to police a city that has over a billion people in it newsflash if you can't get the couple of million people in san francisco to behave in some reasonable standard how on earth do a billion people get please it's a fool's errand you cannot and not police say can you maybe maybe maybe tart i mean it's hard it's not possible you can stem the tide but why do all these snowflakes and liberals think that facebook or twitter or you tube is going to be able to moderated a billion people a day or twitter's case it might be like thirty million when we can't with tens thousands of cops in a major city prevent violent crime real homelessness or graffiti you you're not gonna solve this problem well but i mean facebook itself smaller versions of the problem right like facebook filters pornography pretty well and so like they're smaller versions of this from i think what we've done is we've expanded you know the scope of what can be content moderator to the point where the wheels were falling off yeah i and i mean that's the reality of it and there's been mission creep therapies military terms of like what what they showed her or him moderate that to me is there should be an i can now pornography 'cause it's a fixed set of data or it could reasonably now at ninety nine percent whatever just some wine yeah i've never seen actually pornography investment but hate speech harder but well if you took the transcript of every racial jokes told by dave chapelle or whoever and you put it through that filter would it pass or not antonio a most films made before nineteen ninety by wouldn't pass but you know why that's the level we've gone to in terms of policing speech right now is that they average comedian on david letterman or johnny carson in the nineties eighties wouldn't pass the the terms of service of twitter and facebook today heck not just this comedian i was looking at some of the old a product and propaganda from the reformation as a printing press an a lot of antifa people literature wouldn't pass base but now really yeah know whether i mean i i was thinking the same thing i was wondering about the papa litter things up here man high touch whatsoever for making us down that rabbit rabbit hole of books out there were fluctuating pope you can't fly slave at the pope is on their current content moderation standards wait a second you're saying you can't fart in front of the pope i don't think not no not they had their buttocks baird in in would cut it i'm referring to which i'm happy to share later still good on this whole so this is fake is it four chan dot com slash what to get to the apple stuff slide river may have more tests martin luther king boycotted actual martin luther nicknames dash that's what is that what it is my dad else i've read it needle gentleman's weaken solve content moderation all you have to do is pay the four chan an h in a a troll and fanatics now twenty five dollars an hour to remove the same content they're posting deport chan from facebook could they could identify it literally you kill two birds with one stone they were moving from facebook and move it to fortune that's a brilliant idea let's have the guys who created moving removing the african i have this kind of crazy crazy rhetoric far from cobra secondary money on exactly i love this this i well i mean sometimes you need to hire some questionable people blows off cops well i'm just saying i'm just saying all right when we get back johnny i've has left apple we just don't know what year he left a thank you hand soccer berg is trolling the winkle by who's you're through my very deep ultimate soccer berg troll troll the longest revenge game in the history of revenge games when we get back on this weekend's darn you already know impatient has been product design platform used by thousands of stardom all my nephews it's it's also used by a hundred percent of the fortune one hundred well now they have a new offering with startups in mind is called in beijing for startups and they will help you remind you're workflows the scientific development will make the start of life so much more manageable invasion startups gives you the full suite of invasion tools all packaged with the start up in mind get unlimited accounts and that's what you need you want everybody to have a voice in product development some people a little bit of less of a voice some people a little bit more it's one of the nice things about having a fast product limited seats like that everybody gets tablet voice and you get the centrally control that plus you get the enterprise level security end customer support with invision tools it's so simple and this is freehand collaboration and it should draw just like you using a pencil and you're a beautiful mole skin boom you just do that all online from concept all all the latest developments here's your call to action and watch it go to envision dot com slash twist at i n d i s i o n n vision i envy i s o n dot com slash slash twist as and this week in startups streamline you're works low with unlimited users on the full suite of invasion tools plus enterprise level of security and support all year designs all you read ideas are safe and secure your team to get a raid on go ahead and check it out in vision dot com slash twist this amazing all right welcome back to this week in startups i'm your host jason cal academy which means that coleus you could follow him on twitter is that coleus c o e l i u s and tonio garcia martinez he's in tonio jim the gm of all antonio's and if you haven't read cast monkeys what are you waiting for great great audio book a pretty funny to hey johnny i've left apple 'em which i think is a parent since i saw that nine thousand dollar twelve thousand dollar i mac pro tower that looked exactly like the tower that they discontinued came up with the cylinder four and the stand end of that monitor was ninety nine per piece of metal one thousand dollars for the monitor do you know about this like a cheese grater right no no no symbol understand it kind of looks like the extent thousand our okay got it this is the level of insanity at apple beautiful just beautiful they discontinued the mac pro tower which is the power that all video editors relied on to be able to switch video cards cars out an ad raider raise and just generally have a functioning computer that you could open up and change the memory and they came out with that little garbage can the cylinder that was not expandable in a very reasonable way who is absurdly expensive don't worry everybody thought you were gonna come out with the mac pro again they come out with again it's the same thing with a cheese grater on the outside of it right but to put a cherry on the top they came with a five k beautiful minor again the stand for the monitor cost one thousand dollars dollars is bonkers tim cook is very upset with the wall street journal because they reported that johnny i was leaving because maybe he felt tim cook doesn't care about design and he sat at a base level it shows a lack of understanding of how the design team works and how apple works timbers a little bent out of shape about it which means it's probably true you know all these cases when you're protesting a little too much does it matter just like johnny i've met her at all apple at this point in time anybody care i've never understood in you the best will do on stuff so i'm not i'm not really yeah i'm not i'm not smart enough to know like oh it to me it looks like slightly better but not like world changing but who knows all i know is that we built eight pc tower here to put video editing software on and we spent like four thousand dollars maxine it out have like the highest speed anything and it's much better than an eight thousand dollar apple version and i moved entire company the chrome boxes in the pixel book and it is such a better operating system the macro as because you don't get the grinding spinning to a halt you know what that we know what the price is that's the brand affinity value of apple right there if you want a price that's that's i mean that's right three thousand for a laptop will be account will put on the book value for the company right it's just the the british deal and the just the mac goodness you get when you're covered american idol you know what i have the pixel three in as he talks with american well the studio mac i don't actually use tobacco less anymore and i literally have not yet you're crumble guy right here i am or one hundred percent crumble as now because it's so distraction free and so stable and now you could load android apps are now on the desktop which i don't really do but it's kind of nice if i needed to the checkout a nap and i think that's gonna be kind of the the future of this okay let's talk a little bit about 'em facebook's libra which is at libra on twitter within underscore some other troll owns that libra face photos at libra underscore i own at libra which is hilarious to me it is awesome but let's break this down for a second the winkle by who sued unsettled with sucker berg first allegedly screwing them over which he did but let's face it he's in great the facebook degrade the facebook he would have created the facebook we all know the movie but they came out with gemini which is gonna be like some sort of a stable coin that the world banking at around ten months later sucker berg creates lieber libra wait a second hitting crate blue he didn't create zoo meeting create tiger coin credit another zodiac other twelve science and there's already hacker eight and i don't know how there's twelve now the twelve zodiac signs oh look at that there's libra they own lieber follows me to inside dot com slash leading forty five thousand followers this kind of lame i mean it's got a lot deeper than that listen i i only abrupt end and yeah it's gotten very popular so i'm doing the ultimate troll now i post to leave i had my team postal libra horoscope one day and then some libra about the crypto currency of the other day so it's kind of like a hybrid just south of the link i forgot i know that's interesting idea anyway you're not allowed to sell twitter hennessy oh i see you're not technically allowed to sound like a quid pro quo this is not a given what we just talked about the world is on fire demanding that facebook police the multi billion member community that they've amassed on a global basis they're getting dragged in congress they're getting shut down in different countries during elections people believe are democracy might have been handed over to the russians or afterwards because specifically of facebook and they have the audacity to say are bad but gibberish ramona electric bikes a dollar and right now i love it i know it's been how great is that we see coming double level troll right there trolling the win by right and they're trolling humanity and governments or it might just work i actually think it's a good idea i think my work okay i think it could be you know dash city the ball that's a big that's a big baller move like that's that's when you know still romantic he has not polled larry and sergei ongoing kite surfing and hung on this boat he's like he's still rolling he's still deep he's still deep he's rolling deep end he still wants to move fast and break things have changed the world he's going to change the world and break the world world current he's gonna break the monetary system ever breaking democracy is the world somali pirates accepting we require hostages and shit it's gonna be nuts yeah it's amazing but it actually might work that's that's the best part about it like you're gonna you know i'm a huge crypto bear i think the whole thing is flawed at his core has in mind because it's like there's no fundamental value and looks like we could solve that problem boom basket currently explained on explain what is brilliant about libra well so underscore the core problem with i'm just going straight about cutting edge about how libra describe this is gonna be jason's long time talking about this is a metal level troll 'cause i'm trolling patroller i mean that's that's matter anyway what is brilliant about the basket of currencies and just explain why you think this might actually work yeah i mean so the fundamental problem with all crypto currencies is it they don't have a fundamental value like there's no inherent value to any coined it exists so like they you know they all like this at that but like the dollar represents a claim against usa economy and the gdp cami ended legally required to pay taxes sign a shit ton of nukes yes much aircraft carrier to maybe some teams that could kill you from three miles away right right so so you can you can run the math you could say how many dollars earned in existence and then you could say how big is the gdp in how big of these all of those new army i must say what the dollar earth and so the dollars a claim on that whereas bitcoin is a claim on nothing like zero wiper yeah well simply titled the cost computation 'cause there's miming conditions not value it's extra cost so there's no there's no value there you know what their own negative caso every day we basically at the burn money just keep that ship clothing or whereas company producers money point that it's a knick fans but it is an infrastructure that has magically appeared which is interesting sure but you're right continue so that that's the core problem is always been my core issues like the end of the day when when the next a macro downfall happens whatever it may be like everyone's gonna start selling everything and again today what are they gonna sell they're gonna sell their crypto really fast because everyone else is gonna be so on the crypto and so the same thing the momentum drove it up will drive it right back down so it's like the best short ever when you get really scared shortcut which is a crypto beans say they're like oh no no were gonna hold it because it's gonna be strong like gold but they're idiots anyway so libra the core thing about labor is it they the that's the core problem they said okay let's go in and create a basket of currencies that basically we represented a one to one basis each of those crypto we broke coins what am i gonna call them and were gonna have actual dollars in the bank account bri yeah we're gonna have lee breivik yeah our gonna have these in a bank account to representing a one to one basis so not like the bullshit like fraud that is like going on with its racks and martin arpey no no no no haggling what's the like a finance finance yeah i'm coming in but i remember just like it's not like what's going on with the that basically like paid glamorous like one ripple anyway but it's but it's off to the one the one to one currency but it turns out it wasn't wonder why was that what do you got still valued at one would even though it's only been sturdy reserved is only five percent of new york attorney general investigating all that also frog 'em but anyway okay so stable coin equals good so we would just put it because two things one is excellent value and you're there's volatility inherited bitcoin coin and makes it you want a store wealth you can't go up or down ten percent a day it's possible it'd be like living in y mar germany's just crisis loving every second right so presumably they have a massive foreign exchange desk could be sitting there buying and selling this basket of to try to produce the stability among a very strong harasses typically like if you wanna basically only brooks you put your money in it it goes into a bank account it sits there generates interest and that's one will miss generate interest just give the interests of mexicans generated from your your currency is gonna be used to fund the partners that basically facebook it's gotten the sign up to basically easy one partners ten and then you get the cool part which is programmer money so programmable but money is super powerful martin hardier acts are cool like micro payments were content like right now you can't do micro payments content because you gotta go to the banks and the banks were old and rats judean slow but now you could basically go through lieberman boom you wanna pay two centuries article why i think google or twitter decided to do their own crypto currency an embedded in crow menu to and twitter twitter twitter whatever changed to a button and taking three years and they're gonna ship occur and that's okay fair enough again google no longer has the stones at cas guidebook still has still has the stones so he doesn't mind put himself in the crosshairs of regulators does this help or hurt face booking sucker burg's regulation who care issue the bigger the bigger existential threats the facebook they they lost the stones to do this sort of shit losing those stones is a bigger threat the face but then anything they usa government could ever do and that's one of the underlying ironic that nobody wants to accept and nobody in the whole tech community wants to fucking except that the big risk facebook is not doing this not doing it could end the day they can't do anything who cares introduced that companies is they go up and they go down and they all go down when they lose their stuff when they got a moment that basically like they stop you showed up what are you have who cares so much went back i mean wow so audacity city is the currency yeah if anything without soon as you lose it you're done you're done all right when we get back from this quick break top three use cases each right about on a piece of paper here let's assume labor similar unless i listen i i'm gonna leave it up to you guys okay legal literally oversee early adopters okay great there's a little tip off of what we get a preview when we get back top three in order libra use cases five years from now when we get back on the sweeties you wanna turn your idea into a website a beautiful website well if you did that with squarespace you're gonna be able to blog and publish content whenever you want you could sell products or services 'cause he got all that great ecommerce functionality in there and you could promote a physical or an online business or you could announce that special event like i did for a special project super easy squarespace is they answer provides beautiful and customizable templates end also powerful ecommerce functionality see you no longer have to get those things in two different places in fact people have three or four different vendors putting together what squarespace now does with one simple logging in one simple subscription you could buy domains and choose from over two hundred extensions and you'll get great analytics search engine optimization free insecure hosting and of course squarespace is amazing twenty four seven award winning customer support it's all optimized for mobile you're not gonna have this phenomenon where you get super frustrated because somebody makes a beautiful looking website on their desktop and it looks terrible on and i pattern i phone no squarespace looks great everywhere here is might see him oppression browsing the templates squarespace a creative sites in minutes and he made this beautiful sight for are portfolio company superhuman and it's called superhuman wallpaper dot com site that showcases all be inbox zero a images and look how quickly put that together bing bang boom done go to squarespace dot com for a free trial today and when you're ready to launch i want you to use the offer code twist to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain i know you don't need the ten percent off the please remember to use twists so they know we sent you and if you want to go ahead and bank at squarespace on twitter for supporting independent media this week in startups again squarespace dot com use that promo code twist and you'll get ten percent thanks again to squarespace for being one of her longest running supporting a truly appreciated great job to the team over there we love you brought up okay let's get back to answer welcome back my guess that cohen is an tonio garcia martinez go by cast monkeys and go ahead and join zack's syndicate if you are an accredited investor and you wanna get in on angel investing i think he should but a risky what percentages network zach should new accredited investors who wanna learn about angel investing deploy the first five years of investing so what i say is it's sort of like buying a lottery ticket actually positive tv which means you're expected value in a lottery ticket is you know fraction of every dollar you put in you get back whereas annual invest it's still likely you're gonna be ripping it up but every now and then you're right that twentyfive checking cooper and then how god help the rest of the world after i have my here i wonder that i do while you're still working more people who work for filler to that literally is like everybody's like kind of half a race you could work i mean asper you're gonna keep coming or it's only investment that actually is positive bb and couldn't change rich person's life there there's no other investments could ever return a hundred thousand times your money but theoretically this kind of like what is the number of investments you have to hit in order to have a reasonable chance of an outlier it's a lottery ticket you should just treat it like a lottery ticket emory you could make one better you could make a thousand ballots and everyone knew my rip up but one might pay off i tell everybody gets thirty or forty i think that's when you have enough in the basket that you could head and outlier that's just my own these this would there if you have good deal flow okay libra use cases facebook's claims that this is a nonprofit somewhere in switzerland and they are not gonna control it in another year to okay okay i think is the answer to that show right so but there's also other people who put money in like but ten million here they're like rubber put in ten million or something so that doesn't make it doesn't seem like a major commitment but let's say this does get included in every single a account across the face book you know triumphant friend of whatsapp instagram and facebook they all had what becomes these so you think of the credit card companies right they basically intermediate almost every transaction you make and they sit there and they take you know they're they're bit every single time to do something that is no longer necessary we walk around carrion supercomputers in her pocket and we don't need to basically have a bang and a credit card company and like hunter what fifty year old piece of technology they basically takes a cut of every transaction we make they spoke in ten so basically have money sitting here and then when antonio and i wanna exchange money we don't need a bank between us basically i just put my phone and his son him when he takes nothing no they don't they don't wanna intermediate that transaction they simply wanna cut out all like when you at the scale the facebook has the only way to move the needle in that business is good bigger waiting around when he is the banks come down and kill weren't the banks and the visas and the mastercards participating in this no no none of i thought some fighters they were in the press release but i'm not sure you know i don't think they i don't think they joined not on the guinea bank joined and i don't think a vp that's one of the credit card companies joined let's take a fact check their jackie but i don't think that's a long way of the long way saying drugs sex and death that's gonna be the first year ross accident out there okay so we chat we think we will reject oh is that going on and we chat really a wider about drugs but supposedly in china you could almost everything everything down to the owners up basically becomes a form of carson we chat tied to their crypto said no no it's real money from and go so what are the chances united states government allows this in the united states or tries to stop it in history against his government any of these things is blatant enroll in confidence like you watch them talk about technology in their moron so they're like go ahead of actually like regular technology and i'm not gonna stop until they forgot attacks at obviously that's very proficient does yeah so that's their key is can we get a big on this and but if what you're sending money back and forth between each other or tokens whatever they are i guess they're gonna have to come up with a system where if you send over ten thousand dollars right you report it should they're gonna add banking reporting tennis i mean near the questions that as it turns out right that's always in the crypto world seems all this beautiful crypto libertarian mad max whatever but i want a green back and said look you got bogged down in the banking system and suddenly all the regular rose bligh right until everyone's accepting buckling which no one does so that's i mean how do you how do you reclaim your exact boxing two dollars or vice versa gonna show up with a brief gives a million dollars and turned into until libra yeah here's the thing going around the poker community in vegas where there was a guy who is the guy the guy you gotta know they've got a guy know there was a guy who was you know giving people i guess like a thumb drives a and you would give him you know a some cash ashley we give you a bitcoin you've got a new it's just basically doing he got busted i guess somebody tipped off the government and he had been moving around you know let's call it hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars and it was very serious money laundering charges a in in the casinos really casino trips so the biggest corollary to this in my mind people don't understand how those chips work i now play in some poker games at like city aria hand you know they're they're a five thousand dollar chips now when you're playing you know when i used to play like the whatever five hundred games you don't five dollar chips they'll just cash you in and out five you've done this lack cashing out you know five dollar chips they'll do it to the cows come they don't care you come up with a five thousand dollar chip each of those states where did you get the chip who's chip is it and you're like i i was playing poker they're like wet where what table with who did you buy this five thousand but now it's like i when i was just at the game my friend who's playing blackjack spot i mean like ten times i was playing poker i want a little bit i got a cash offer fifteen times they wouldn't catch me out and now it's like my friend gave to music then you're friends got a cash up so then i gotta go there my friend we gotta go the cage he caches out then he hands me the fifteen times it's crazy that's what's gonna happen with this it's gonna get so locked down but i think the real hidden thing here is gonna be be ad network which you yeah okay yeah let me explain something called steam it i thought it was the most clever after crypto kitties of the crypto projects that i'm not joking steam it was read it with a crypto currency attached to is costing so imagine if voting something up cost you a penny end if you got voted up and you got a thousand harm about actually signed into law what avenue karma yeah like happiness karma or radic karma read a gold i guess they called that to me on something at scale like instagram where miley cyrus where somebody is there seem it so this person here steam it see the twelve dollars and then scroll down to the second one and you could hit command plus plus on this and you will get bigger but that third one there got thirty two dollars in i think that she was click on that dollar amount there and let's see what it says you click on that thank master net a pending pass thirty trust that person for hitting that got thirty two bucks this is something i was doing with netscape when i a clone dig and read it and i said i'll just pay the top twenty read hitters and dig people i hired the thousand dollars each but they lost money just pay them a thousand dollars each to just submit the best stories from all around the web and it worked this is what facebook's and then you can you imagine you were an influence her on instagram and you get three hundred dollars likes for that photo i have a hard time picturing them doing that it's gonna create such perverse incentives talk about misinformation in viral content cynical bunkers i should get paid for it doesn't mean they're currently getting trump in office how much worse yeah but it's but it's not facebook phaser paying them at the thing they drive traffic solomon but like that's the whole point once libra exists once you're pro pro programmable money you will start tied micro payments that's gonna happen concept like a famous are gonna happen at the point you do that then somebody who's gonna build in a mechanism basically you're river heart okay you double tap you give hartford free you triple tap you give a heart anna libra penny libra you five tap you gave relievers whatever which is happening right now and you go you go watch on twitch and boy am i girls weather starting going back to china basically there's huge amounts of money moving around like this this is definitely gonna happen that skinny most fascinating you imagine some of these i mean who's the biggest person on is it one of the jenner's or clicking car dashing kim car dashing gets paid what to do any social media posts were they get paid for the fire festival kendall jenner kyri or however you know got big big number anything i had like a hundred k or yeah two hundred fifty kato writing a simple to do the fire fest one you guys get tastes far fetched to write you first again yeah we're gonna be there together both justin tutu's holding an absolutely i know i got i got a baller a sherpa protect anybody yet like three bedrooms i just assume went to a three okay right now three and a three bedroom suite yeah okay with cheese sandwiches a on them and she said that to me is the huge win can you imagine that it's a world that's coming i don't think people realize how much i was gonna change next twenty years like we are we are we are like at the very end of a generation that that that i don't think people understand the consequences of gimme gimme you're top change that you see how well i mean i haven't robots basically are gonna limit human labor and lifetime in our lifetime that will not know physical human labor will cease to exist and i laughed at which point basically we really won't need the vast majority of humanity do work which point like capitalism starts become very problematic because if you don't have to pay people for their labor like when you're gonna pay for it you're not at the same time basically br becomes almost real unlike your gonna be able to go into br it's gonna feel real it's gonna look real it's gonna smell real what's the what are all those people who don't job below zero i'm really excited spoke copy i myself i gotta fat you believe all human labor the vast majority the vast majority of labor done for compensation is going away tonio you you disagree i believe that and now i'm a little bit more skeptical about having top harris people i think there'll be jobs invented these people know know there'll be jobs and that means you don't physical labor will no longer be necessary but but the but but it's a wealthy what but that's but so how about other things to sell so do what i i could tell you i can tell you i mean fucking 'cause i'm sitting in vietnam i robot asher it really better job the more traditional what's gonna happen i have a plan to consider just mayor jason but here's my point the robots 'cause i talked about this for years ago when henry from cap axe to we have greeters where they have greeters at the calf asked me for now for now they don't have the have the damn lesser so what i said was why not an eye reticent to say this year but a because i think it's such a good idea and probably gonna do it but imagine if you went there and there were somebody playing guitar for reading poetry poetry were doing some other doing nine what's that performed events there like a mind yeah i mean circus elaine friend the coffee machine young guys if antonio if you wanna do remember we could we could make room for europe will interpret but i think that i'm gonna go with this outside of that which is we create more labor because looking at be idea that podcast hers would be a living talking in having your own talk show that fifteen fifteen thousand people tuned into would be viable the fact that being an influence her in wearing sienese and bathing suit or doing stunts and human contact when when when robotics does everything human contact becomes a luxury good and so the wealthy well actually pay talk the humans rather african american right now which is forty hours of television a week forty hours hours a day forty hours of of two dimensional do anything down much less humid non responsive green you're doing forty hours well that's yeah that's i was doing i i was very rarely extra were you at one point he worked at one of the earliest you left the office and what was it like to leave at that hour what is leave main very he at six pm yeah what would it be like walking to the door at five six pm seven pm at face but i never did it and he never did it now all three meals anybody do it and if you did what would people be like nobody at my i dunno well yeah i know there's some some of the senior some of the senior people would leave early at people would roll their eyes there'd be like i would but that's my joke here and when people come up with their latest held by the way he'd have meetings are kind of night when i when people leave my office at six or seven all day energy but i don't i don't want people work right here labor violations on air under a good luck with that i mean everybody gets paid they paid overtime of course there's a union right out of the show actually you have to really consider that m b overtime thing if they get i think it's forty six cat under forty six k you have to pay overtime under forty six to forty two in california anyway there's a there's so what do you think will be other so end of manual labor vr becomes so good that some people get lost in it just already of humidity best you it will spend the rest of their lives and be are you know i don't think so yeah i mean the one that i don't think so i mean like i thought that i would i know yeah we've got fifty years fifty years absolutely i you know what i put that shit on and it does not compare like you're looking at the very bottom of the curve just like everyone which facebook forty bucks me like this is the kind of argument and we've been hearing vr perpetual technology the future funnier gotta look like if you get everybody out her every curve the chip curve the knowledge kerr how much it hasn't happened yet when i go in there and i play golf feels like real golf to me but i would rather see my friends and go to the you know your yours game go play poker roldan while you have options and a lot of users that have average american forty hours of television the week that's the baseline non responsibility dimensional screen the best like you can't like you're gonna you're gonna put them in the vr and they're gonna lives all right so vr vr an end of physical manual labor what do you got in our lifetime that's gonna be a game changer bigger than those two things scares me or i think about alive is the rise of democratize media right this defected we've invented human telepathy everyone talked anyone as much as they want with unfettered access with absolute privacy encrypted like this i i'm not sure that the post world war two world that we've lived in right with you know mass market mass society type concepts like liberal democracy and just this this map you know the the notion that we have a continent spanning country with three hundred thirty million people and that suddenly now everytime taken harrison get as much you know distribution and create an east coast as much as you know the blast annoyed and media figures from the east and west coast i don't know how much of again this post world war two where that we've been living in survives in that world 'cause i don't know how you maintain any sort of cultural er politically cohesion among three hundred thirty million people when everyone has this i don't know that process there's great books on the rise of nationalism the came basically at the point the press and the printing press basically like right unified thought at a national level because that was the scale they may say right some old and distribute printing press is what function like an economic scale thing the created the nation and now we're just taking that constructive we currently think israel and were tearing at us under and it it's not gonna respond well to what's happening and i and i mean is there a solution is is you just have smaller i mean you look at the nordics x you look at you know ten million size democracies it works a lot better when you only have to contend with five or ten or fifteen people the first order solutions of federalism experience democracy whatever but i think the problem here is looking at looking back at are time i think from a thousand years from now is the biggest thinking it'd be this i think the biggest changes happened is he a couple of the movement of adams with bits right like i think like i i'm old enough to remember when i was a kid letters were still how most humans communicated with the only way norwegian like i a pile of letters from old girlfriend the parents whatever right but that was like a piece of paper written down you know lockdown now stop writing me letters and then flying later he gets there and now now my entire social and moral and political realities refracted through this black mirror and has nothing to do with the deal geographic proximity to me and the fact that you see like deep alliances and politics between the braves it in the trumpers and salvini like wonder how that would never happen before without some international moving like i hate idiot yeah but it's kind of my and show you realize i didn't know what black mirror meant right black mirror is staring into your phone yeah wait a second did everybody in the room no question i'm leaving his people know white that's what it no i do like oh dark mirror like were looking at humanity i never thought it would think i phone i'm an idiot when we get back from this commercial i'm gonna tell you what i think is gonna be the sea change that will break humanity forever we get back on this we could start where you struggling to sleep at night well you're not alone one in three adults are not getting enough sleep and it's critical if you're an entrepreneur and investor sir you need great sleep so that you're cognitive function is at a high level like learning and problem solving decision making all of these behaviors that we have to do is entrepreneurs investors we need sleep end people who don't get the right amount of sleep approach accidents weight gain and depression don't i know but when you sleep while you're so much more focused week at lax and we get rich and were happy and that's why we are partnering com the number one app for sleep you'll get a library of programs designed to help you get the sleep body ender brain needs from soundscape and over one hundred sleep stories i love sleep stories and so does my daughter and then they have all these other ones even once for adults and you play them you drift off to sleep here is my man pressure my cmo's who needs to get his sleep because he's working for me and i'm not an easy buck and you see him going to easter island and all these different a hidden far as beautiful stories and sounds including matthew mcconaughey alright alright alright and he'll review asleep story as well and he does a great job thank you matthew mcconaughey and of course you know i'm an investor in com dot com so it's so great that alex on the podcast years ago back in twenty twelve and then now sitting you're seven years later and they're sponsoring a partner this week in startups that is just amazing and jane thank you to the team at com dot com first working so hard to make such a beautiful product and then coming full circle from being a guest on the podcast coming now and supporting it as a sponsor oh my god my heart just so much joy right now so much joy that i'm gonna give you twenty five percent off a calm premium subscription to calm dot com slash twist that c a l m dot com slash twist thanks again to calm and thanks for supporting porting be podcasts i really do appreciate that let's get back to this amazing right welcome back to this week in startups apparently the original island for fire festival is for sale eleven million dollars i put it in a bed for nine i think we're gonna maybe i'll put it in for eight willow bob and a yeah we're gonna kick start this and we're gonna start fire to my favorite part of that festival did you see the doctor this you haven't seen the doctor fire festival oh my god you guys gonna have a great great weekend it is going to be awesome it's so great okay here's my thinking of what cracks humanity i believe that air pods are going sorry expecting regard i believe that air pods are going to be air implants a within let's call it ten to twenty years ago hackett now they got the russians the russians them now the gronk go into your ears end i believe that you will have a similar function with contact lenses underclass is obviously the episode by the way but implants but this is the second in order that people are not anticipating i think the same way you have trump derangement syndrome you have a social media isolation foam oh he's gonna leave to a proportion of people jumping off the golden gate bridging killing themselves and having anxiety and depression that is unheard of because were already having that happen were already having a populous where young people the leading cause of death went from drunk driving like four young men to suicide instagram swell we joke about it but i think he's social isolation and not right looking people me i in having a poker game or a bottle of wine or a real conversation it is death by instagram i mean it's it's a joke but it's not been instagram is in the closet right society the social fabric is crumbled and they resort to social media as a as a stopgap which is it's a it's a digital proxy for boston jumped at like facebook is a real community like like porn is real sex right it's like no actually used if you're a community but you know it's like selling right saturday but it's that dude it residents synthetic version right that lets you feel empty inside it's eating be empty calorie incorrectly you yeah sure ten it is be it's the it's the the sugar and the wheat and the you know reaction of your body to it is really making you feel this crazy anxiety high fructose corn syrup it's the highest fabric of social fabric and we were wondering what would happen if you took out religion or the nuclear family or some common you know nationalism were believe in country believe in the constitution of belief in humanity or god or any of this shit now you have people are going to be saturated just performer of narcissism voters and they're gonna be saturated with it as they fall asleep and as they wake up they're gonna be coming in and out of sleep with these devices implanted planted into them programming with an algorithm just i mean just think about when you have no implants and you have a machine basically like feeds content into those implants and machine has m l i mean it's like oh you liked that here's similar like that so where does that leads you to go you know you know how the metric starts it's not cause the machines plug ins and were just like let's go well yeah i know come to right like if you think about that i don't know if you saw that new york times interactive piece of kevin roose piece i believe about like the road to you all right which is a little ridiculous 'cause they put munching yeah not all right people audit and they kind of prove that they all right person then got out of that right there is there's a happy ending who is a happy ending so it's kind of garbage but i i just very hard to beat the new york times now 'cause it's gone so liberal hysterical that like it's so an attack in so woke the person who pays gets what he wants and if you go from advertising model to a subscriber models reiver's get what they want is it me or does the new york times times like this crazy liberal woke madness now again tony has the right theory on this right which is i think side they did fox news pick aside i again i'm got class at up here with a longer term view which is if if you look at why newspapers have upped the notion of objectivity right it's become as part of its idiological if you go back and read some of their literature mostly because macy's needed apply a national markets advertise in the nineteen twenties before before the money century most newspapers were completely partisan the press democrat democratic party thing and most party members would just joining subscribe and most users were suspicion driven 'em but that that doesn't really seem to purposes of you know may caesar sears anybody else and so they sort of pivoted to human interest an news west a divide between sort of op ed in an opinion they tied verses and you say if you look at most even most of the western world you're gonna uk there is no such divide right like you you reid the the spectator the observer daily mail and you know you're getting one particular point of view right when things really ironic what's going on right now is that who has that business model now facebook twitter of course facebook are the national the national method who's freaking out about objectivity and both sides of the facebook and twitter of course everytime the conservatives raised her hand somebody rationally have the same say oh they're shutting down even though fox news is like the biggest network on facebook like are they said they say oh sorry sorry i'm like talking about the class right and then meanwhile new york times between the huge dumping description since trump got elected considering basically placate the customer data customer wins right and so it's just very interesting which by the way i think it's totally fine which left leaning into right which i think is finally early sabres in the past that's how they use the work and that's just that's fine or time anywhere but they just don't work much like like objectivity never was true and that's definitely true yeah well it it felt so nice though to open up the new york times and have this idea chris i grew up in the eighties and nineties in new york with some of these journalists were you know contemporaries end a when i had my magazine in new york and we really were always drilled into us to be objective by are editors who were training us and they would say did you talk to the other side is there other opinion here did you fact check this now it's like do we fact check it that breaks the narrative we we fact check this if we fact check this then like we pointed out earlier with the fly in the face book you know casey story well didn't you just all ask them to police it now you're complaining that their policing it like it doesn't make any sense and so i dunno silver i mean i right i mean it's okay okay i think it's over it's over i mean not only now obviously we have to assume that and then what's scary is that like now we have this in all content is truly flawed biased and we actually use are brains but the problem is that the vast majority of old people in this country who vote and you have the majority of the political power they basically had been spoon fed this live for the last fifty years the confidence attractive ross okay go that they believe that so they go out they watch fox news you're like oh that's the truth and then they had no doubt rose are doing it with msnbc america on both sides but they go down the stupid hole and that leads to the current political finds a way out of balance so what i do is i listen literally it's really quite literally a to ben shapiro at rachel maddow back tobacco on my drive home and it could not see both hysterical in different ways and you hear one person dote doesn't bring up the mueller report or any other person is obsessing on every page of obstruction charges and it's like he's telling you he obstructed and playing line another is lying to be clear right they're not right and that's the thing and that's one of the great ironies and he's like never hasn't been easy it's a document reality literally everyone can live stream tv like i've ever used to take a fucking van within three dude inside like license now everybody can do it like there's no ambiguity about what's going on and yet no one knows what the fuck is going on right that right that's that's the weird thing that's one the great artist i think i know what's going on the crazy people who were the most mentally ill the who are the most extreme have taken over the dialogue in everybody else's like you know what this is a shit show that i don't wanna participate in she get on twitter and like if you see the liberals fighting with the all right people you're just like oh my lord it's just like you turn around and one right way like walk away it's like seeing like a crazy deranged person on the street it's like a bar fight you just walked away i don't care i'm not gonna catch the bottom walker i'm out these guys were drunk and they're swinging bottles i'm gonna get i'm gonna be collateral damage i need to get out of this that may not be a bad thing i think ninety percent american a perfectly say normal people who believe in real all the rest of it the temperatures that are on twitter streaming each other out of their minds android contained in a way it will contain the zombie apocalypse is truly it's almost like identifying who these maniacs art 'cause twitter is us intelligent thoughtful peter said no i'm not sure have all these people surrounding us considered sitter thoughtful well read individuals citizens but it is all the crazy people when i go out into the real world i don't meet these crazy people like on twitter now they've just all populated in one they should shut down right i mean that's basically what it's come to no it's just gonna get worse it's twitter is just the beginning yeah like were were looking like like think back to when we started in silicon valley see think back to where like when i first moved silicon valley is two thousand five and i remember i had an index and i made up of the number of tech stories that were on page one of the new york times and that was my index about made the right choice to silicon valley and i was like oh look it's going up treacherous now it's like like silicon valley is just beginning to take over the world and like we have not changed the world yet at the way were going to like in the next ten twenty years the world is fundamentally going to change were still living in the old after thought leftover i'm actually thinking these vetoes the vertical takeoff and landing things are real sure yeah like this is gonna happen yeah they we were promised flying cars during an were gonna get flying cars you what do you think over under on vetoes in a major city we bet on this the last show i just wanna be or i am i gotta you gotta specify like some hunter care something 'cause i'm sure you could buy were now four million dollars right know what are okay here's what i'll say marshall under a hundred dollar right let's just say about benchmark it a a a a veto thing that costs no more more than like a bmw seven series well but they'll never you'll never owned a visa got cost the same as hooper black you're never gonna find yourself in a suite of a veto we can't remember you okay on the embarcadero in get the oakland airport but the same cost or lesser lesser minus no god no i'll take the under on that yeah i'll bet you a lot of money i'll bet you over here we go here we go you said decades picking number he'll take the under i'm sure you'll be under well seeing if you're you're twenty years tonio under i'm taking on detail about how much you're betting what do we ban the chunk of once again i know i know a lot of young guys you have to do that well okay okay hold on all the you're not gonna get paintings on it does take too long does it take to you we could put the clip on youtube and we could make a smart contract with libra underscore also what is what do you buy a you know a a veto aircraft helicopter and sometimes what kind of electric helicopter electric now of course he tells her electric they can't really if they were yeah like i'm good i talked to her okay right you know like one of those squat about you're gonna get the tony under a rock darwin just give me the money now on day one we win we already one we totally i think i remember the last time on the show i think it was like there's like ten eleven years i just need to have some it'll go through all over them a all right other topics is it is it a bubble yeah yeah of course about like what the music still playing so i'm keep in the last in the face so i mean i'm sorry not earning about finances to gross but if they give the music flying and the cops having broken up the party yet i'm gonna keep in have you heard you heard the bills but go said on a bill did a twenty minute vc podcast i hardly any at east bill this bill girly the we play poker with is currently settled waterville girly he's getting out of control and he's like the music playing i'm gonna keep his cool is even the better is basically the the secret to not getting killed is not give up and have the most fun at the end of the parties just rage into the very i think you just have to go for it at the end of the party now girly i'm gonna just kick some ass and shoot mastic shooter tutor in there you hall says that were in person greenville girlies on the podcast stories on to podcast recently a okay so we know that the bubble trade war with china for attack i think is something we should talk about their room while while way is going to be allowed to biotechnologies trump was flip flopping on any called the very dangerous he said it was the biggest longterm competitive threat and now we're gonna let them into united states is this crazy i think it's insane why would you let are we gonna let them be are critical infrastructure 'cause no one else's building it there's a massive five you got united states and building hardware recommended by from the regulators basically prevented the proper approach the five g which is basically cut off all entrenched interests and like like reformat how we basically deal with like are 'em are the band a instead they're like nah now we're gonna make them go in the high bans which doesn't work nearly as well doesn't doesn't go through walls doesn't go long distances it's like and the wind china they're like no no it's just do we shouldn't do which is like used banned for five g and so the five five we've gotta start over and united states had not had five g for a little while i mean it together right it's very unclear house is gonna play out but like i wouldn't bet against i couldn't tell you something i'm not like a crazy nationalist the guy and this is the greatest country in the world but the trump moderates kind of country in the world ten where when they are pretty good to have alright where's you're mega little rocket man i'm gonna stop by see you may have heard from now he just got you got my friend you may have heard of a class d m z the donald military zone i'm gonna be in town maybe you wanna stop by terrified terrified terrified a i there's a company i'm more worried about while way from china maybe take a guess they're already here they've ori take it easy now you're not on the show we got this i got the i got bay engineers i wanna take a guess they could easily back there one company is at scale already enraged do master violent and it's already doing master balance of america the cook correct we've got tens of millions of americans using tick tock we have to kick tick talk out of the country this message donald trump tick tock is in the pockets of tens of millions of americans they spent something in order of hundreds of millions of dollars promoting it who do you think has the keys to tick tock the chinese government communist mccollum communist anymore or do they referred to himself as it's called is what is still in power okay the chinese communist party in couple of coming from the capital's communist hybrid now has thirty forty fifty million americans their cameras there location there microphones yet we cannot have twitter facebook instagram google in china we must mr trump president trump this is a message to president trump we must bad tick tock is eight secure i'm not joking this is eight death con for is they're five and deaf confined dot com four point five were getting there we have the bad tick tock intil we are allowed to have are own surveillance set a state in china thank you dizzy under the message i'm jason cal kennison i support this match what do you think of my theory that we should kick out i mean who the hell's on tick tock as it actually anyone that it's presented national security interests anyway just we have three interns in the room in a in a millennial and they're try tick tock on their farm raised her hand no no no no tick tock okay ford for a gender millennials don't have it there's a lot of people would just tick tock which is generally speaking should we allow the chinese chinese startups to have a presence here in social networking cetera while not being allowed to have a presence over their shelves yes or no i mean i don't agree with donald trump on just about everything but i do think that reformat end the relationship which i know something that should have been done ten years ago so they're doing it now it's about time okay he's caved in confidence but like at least the least they were moving in the direction of report imagining that that conversation station and like the fact that it wasn't dealt with their entire obama administration is a complete failure like that where like i mean they did kick the can down the road they did not address the problem the shoe sorted only time here but they are funding are films they did last mission impossible cutting costs and alibaba funded the last mission impossible that's why may i think actually like they the merging of media is a very good way to kind of integrate the cultures but democracy peaked at fifty four percent of fifty one percent of the global population lives in a democracy i think that that's actually the big existential risk right now we're gonna lives longer well it's gonna be amazing were flying cars but the number of people living in democracy is going down and the number of people who think it's important to living in a democracy is going down wit wit what is going on people don't think it's important to living in a democracy what do we make of that what happened to me alternative americans who've been above over the past forty fifty years then you go spend a few weeks living as a like a cuban in cuba and and see what it's like her and her three after that matter i mean socialism is a roach nowhere wow thank you same night in the wreckage and other great at seven but there will never be a socialist country assay pakistan never sessions is right to the front of the conflict happening here we don't talk about 'cause we i'm talking about anymore in this like post religious liberal whatever there's no there there anymore yeah but the reality is like no there's fundamentalist things in the west end in in in chinese politics and values and it's just fundamental like mccaskey's rich chinese translation flation got centered and i just accept it and i would never accept that in the west i just read today that in fact a chinese border whatever control is installing some sort of our off on yours if you enter i forget whatever the the the the woman while whatever the province with all the conflict with the majority it's like there's a final difference there that wants to talk about because it's kinda like you can't believe that it's like a little too much knowledge but like saying they're forcing you to put on a non filer mowing i'm out on our facebook conferences you're known for nine sensitive documents and it's it's uploads all if you're taxing everything to fight the scary thing i saw was there was this like a guy fully were showing this video on sixty minutes twenty twenty primetime live he was on talking about his book and they were showing how they found a journalist in under five minutes in shanghai or something on those cctv yeah let alone environment i mean even gets delivered an object come it's here right i mean there's it's defined my pen africans oh so basically like always being watched by a it's a it's a co wrote a book back in wherever the hell and then some some germany ben oh shit like i get confused anyway but if i mean what's that what is the black mirror finishes at the pentagon things to come we'll always be watching the technology now makes it possible that round jail roger mental energy one guards how second tells you which was actually built cuba's has a prison that's a little pronounced piece about that's something that you know you're right he did lindsey yeah yeah that's been reading about an optic on that was so revolutionary was that the windows were one way you'd never know you never know what the guard was looking at metro you assume he when you're when you're sal all right i mean look we we can't run around the destruction to humanity as we currently no it which is a supercomputer basically is going to take over are currently no okay okay before i prime super i think the country the china super scary and u s we have other technology called the constitution in courts which i think it's less scary model of public policy based on chinese autocracy would be in some senses lowering herself to a different level when we don't need to have that paranoid and west right there's an advantage the openness there's an advantage not being super practice colonels i feel like even under trump's explicit attempt to control the government control you know the different institutions we maintain some level of control over him like the mueller report came out mirrors gonna testify in taking a little bit of time in this country of laws in men jerry's just one guy just wants to shins so yeah and also rise will they be done but i mean this is the thing with like the new york times is back to the liberal insane hysterical new york times they're like will trump leave office if he's voted out and it's like yeah i think there's a large ties on shoelaces i mean it's just ridiculous there's a large number of military people who would love to drag his ass out of the white house if he refused to leave by the way he's not spending any time at the white house anyway the second he goes tomorrow lago you could just walk up there and change the locks right he's not getting back into the white house but the but the fundamental problem is not actually like the breakdown of our infrastructure and our institutions from the top it's from the bottom which is like that enemies merging i think antonio is correct it's like now you create a world where anyone can communicate with anyone anywhere anyhow like you get these what what are fundamentally just frenzies that are built on lies i mean you look at the sort of like the anti vaccine frenzy right which is built on a lie it's been proven along time ago and yet but there are people in america who will fire anybody guy they let their children die from he missteps they will take that risk in order because they believe a lot so imagine if you take that and you just change a little bit and say okay the people in northern california have decided they no longer when i do it the rest of america and they come together using this phone violence comes out of that one way or another and i don't think that like the uss like like politicals system and cultural system is designed to deal with that type of violence and so it like it will build on it self and i think antonio right about this is like the the the fear is not a bar institutions at the top it's it's the breakdown of like order yeah and they voted trump and so i was in australia couple of weeks ago and i love it like i listening to the morning news and they're like jessica biel who's an actress model something says that people shouldn't give vaccines wedding idiot who who's listening in america to a model or an actress who is a risk in her kids live the terrible accident she's a bloody idiot and like literally they're mocking knocking her for being at absolute fool anybody would follower is a bigger full and then the next story police arrested a man who attacked them with a machete and it's like oh my lord like a boomerang like some crazy like only in australia like florida business or write a to sum up libra underscore coin game change cat follow at libra

ferrara san francisco dot university zack zach facebook founder jason kelly antonio garcia martinez forty hours ten percent eight hours five thousand dollar one thousand dollars thousand dollars fifty years five dollar five years six months thirty thousand dollars
Your Life is a Record: Brandy Clark

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

1:03:04 hr | Last month

Your Life is a Record: Brandy Clark

"Hey It's Sarah that's what she said is presented by coors light the beer made to chill celebrate responsibly coors brewing company. Golden Colorado. Don't forget to check out the Dan Lebatardshow was Stugatz from ten to noon eastern on ESPN radio, plus you can now listen to original content before and after the radio show wherever you find your podcasts. That's what she said. That's what she said. That's what she said what she said what she said. Welcome to that's what she said conversations with interesting people from the world of sports music comedy more talking about their lives, careers, successes, and failures. My name is Brandy Clark in my dilemma is I exercise really hard and I eat really clean until about four PM and then Katie bar the door for what I might put in my mouth and it's what keeps me from my goal fitness and goal weight. Oh Brandy I'm with you girl I'm with you to the point where I actually have a solution that I have put into my everyday and then I try to follow and I've been doing pretty well with, and that is at ten thirty PM. I have an alarm goff in my phone that after which that alarm goes off I'm not allowed to eat. Meat. So I tend to make bad choices late and I don't eat dinner till like nine o'clock because the radio show going so late. So my schedule's later that everyone else. So maybe alarm would need to go off earlier because if you're working really hard and doing really well to four and then things get weird after that maybe moved the alarm little earlier. I. Basically just have to eat dinner. I'm still hungry have a snack or something, and then after that shut it down because you know eleven thirty midnight is not really the time that I need to be wandering around my kitchen, figuring out what to put my mouth. So I'm with you I feel you I think we've all been there before maybe try the. Alarm. See if it works. Then you only have to have the discipline to say I've decided this well before tonight no matter what the excuses tonight it doesn't work the alarm goes off and that's it. That's the rule other than that maybe hypnosis or remove yourself from a room that's anywhere near food. Yeah it's tough. I'm with you the Commission's spoken. My guest is brandy. Clark a six time grammy nominee country music singer songwriter her songs have been recorded by Cheryl Chrome, Aranda Lambert the band Perry Reba mcentire Leeann rhymes Darius. Rucker Casey must graves I could go on. She was nominated for overall best new artists for her own work at the two thousand fifteen grammy awards and has also earned nominations for best country vocal performance album. And Song her new album, your life is a record came out in March this was a really fun conversation. I've not had the pleasure of having too many musicians on the pod and essential music buff. So I love getting a chance to talk to her about the songwriting process whether she's usually coming up with words or music I, what it's like to co right alongside somebody else. How she liked writing for artists who really know who they are and come with a message a brand why she thinks of music and performance and even what I do as sort of figure skating I love the analogy we get into that. Also, the basketball scholarship earned how she was an athlete growing up in eventually had to pick music or sports. Our latest album was inspired by John Prion and how she brings a ton of progressive IDEAS TO A. Country Industry that isn't always open to them. It's great conversations. She's super interesting, very talented yet here a couple of songs in there. So hope you enjoy it. That's what she said. So happy to have Brandy Clark on the podcast I, love picking the brains of musicians and I haven't had that many on. Yet. So this is a great chance to talk about the songwriting process and performing process, and you are actually a friend of my co host Jason. Be used to be Spain and fits right when he came out of like not long after he came out of touring with the band Perry and decided to move into sports full. We took a hiatus, we hosted separate shows and then starting next later this month, we'll be back together a hosting and he had just only wonderful things to say about you and working on your one of your records. He's fantastic. You know he worked on my first record. and. Then I would see I was always confused because you know that was back before people had you know where musicians an podcast and songwriters and working at the grocery store you know it feels like we're in a time that you know the longer I live the more multifaceted people seem to be out of side. Hustles. And now he's sort of out of the music world other than, of course, his relationships and occasional dabbling. So now, he's in my world's instead of yours, which is sort of funny. But let's talk about how you kind of started out. You were born in a really small town. In Washington, a logging town of nine hundred people, which I can't even imagine because I make fun of my husband's hometown for not having as a stop light, but it still has like three thousand people. So nine hundred I mean, did you did you know everyone? Was it like basically a big one big family? Yeah. It was and you know when you're we had a stop light, but it was only flashing. Halfway. One. Two sides of it were flashing red set his flashing yellow. You know if it's all, you know it's all you know you know I I didn't realize what a small town it was because all of the schools I played sports in all of the schools we played were also towns similar size, some of them smaller and You don't also didn't realize that I grew up in a part of the country where it rains all the time until I left and then came back in and rains a lot here whatever you're wherever whatever your normal is. I think is just your normal. Yeah for sure. I want to get back into the sports stuff but. I read that your mom was sort of the one who taught you to to love music to write and perform. So how young was it when you started kind of doing the you know the? I. I. Really. I. Mean Music was always around when I was really little. This is how rural we live cable didn't reach out to where I grew up. So all we had was music in the beginning and I don't remember I don't remember not having a TV but we didn't we just had the had records in So in my mom played everything which played piano and accordion and she could harp she could just kind of pick up whatever. So. But when I really remember I fell in love with Guitar at eight nine and I remember somebody there was a guy that came to visit my grandparents and my grandma had guitar in this guy, picked it up and was playing it and I wanted to to learn how to play and I remember he showed me a corporate or something but. Then the next thing I knew I was guitar lessons in playing much easier guitar for a child to play in that big. Yeah. Goodson copy that my grandpa ahead. Your Dad passed away when you were young how old were you? I was twenty five. So I had I had moved to Nashville Definitely. Definitely. Young. You know now that I look back on it, I was really pretty young to have something like that happen was he is involved in the music side of things or was that more something you shared with your mom you know more my mom somebody I. Don't I said before like my mom played everything in my dad played the radio. Yeah. Definitely was music lover, but he didn't play or sing or anything but he was really he's really where I got my drive from he was an athlete and So that was like that not when I said it was nine I feel like that birthday represent represents me as a person especially as a kid I remember my my mom got me Patsy clines greatest hits on Cassette in my dad got me a softball. Met It. So you know I was had those two two parents. Yeah. That's great. you. You actually stop focusing on music for a bid to really get into the sports side of thanks to the point of getting a basketball scholarship. I'm amazed. So I remember when I was getting recruited for Sports for college, they would always particularly for basketball I remember when you were filling out recruiting sheets, they would send you. They would ask you who the the best players in your area where they wanted to get a feel for the competition against whom you're playing and so. I was lucky enough to get to put Tasha and to make catching both of whom went on to play in the WNBA and we're like. Right like I was like, yeah, I'm surrounded. This is tough over here respecting my conference What is that like for you to be able to get a scholarship coming out of such a small town in playing against other small towns? Was it all basically what you had on tape or or were you going to a a you tournaments where they could see you outside of that format? It was a little bit of everything it was tape I think less it was more so camps and then a you you know, I, ended up getting a scholarship to a college where had I had attended their camp for several summers. and. There really wasn't. You know there was no to Meka hitchings. There were really great players it in the division I played in, but not of that stature But there were some there was the there was when I look back on it the competition was was really good and but I was not some great pl- I had I been against those sorts of players I probably would have switched to music. Sometimes, I wish I would have been you know maybe would have forced my hand a little quicker. Yeah. You know I sometimes feel the same way because I came around to the sports broadcasting. Later in life I want to be on Saturday night live or Broadway because I was also in music when I was growing up and sometimes I feel like it makes you more well rounded by the time you get around to what you WanNa do an and you're more interesting than if you'd been sort of on a straight track the whole time but that's really nice way to reframe things when you wonder if you could. have been much more successful at you started earlier. So I tend to try to re frame it that way instead of wondering what if one I think you know I think you're so right it does make you more well rounded in one thing sports really gave me is self discipline. Yeah, and I don't think people that are lifetime musicians always have that you know it's a little bit looser schedule Ryan but but being an athlete and perseverance you know sticking with something practicing getting back I mean I look at somebody was asking me just last week how I look at going in and writing songs all the time. And I said, well, it's always a sports analogy for me in I think of it as might have even been Brian Koppelman Every day you're going into practice and then the day that you get a great idea that's a game. Yeah. If you haven't been going to practice, you're not gonna hit the ball. Yeah. When you get to the game, you gotTa then be willing to put the effort and time, and you can't get lazy and stop midway through because you might not come back in that same. Kinda. Zone. For for writing and creating. So you Goethe Central. Washington. University of play baseball there. But you don't finish their you was it was it did you lose the passion for sports? Was it just not the right fit? Y did you end up going going back to Community College Finish your degree? You know I think it was two things. I think. It was I lost the passion for sure towards the end of high school. I. Really started to get back into music and after my senior season of basketball like that spring I remember really like. Picking up my guitar and I would come home every night and sing with my mom when she play piano and I think it's because I didn't have goals beyond college like getting that college scholarship. At that time the WNBA was a new thing and I think even then I knew you know that's not that's not GonNa be me am five, six Kinda slow even at my playing way now Homesick you know I moved I grew up in Morton, which is the west side of the state, which is very green, very lush, and then I moved to Ellensburg which is not you know you're really the the landscape is so different I. Remember I would get so happy there when it would rain. Felt like more like where I was from. So really think it was those two things I wasn't really ready to leave my parents because I moved back in attended community college in lived with them for two more years and then moved to now I guess it was actually three years I spent a year. Doing some classes in in saving many and then I moved to Nashville. So it's funny. You you sort of are like I imagine the same thought process I I went to Cornell got finished the track stuff took all the classes just in case it didn't work out to move to Hollywood. It'd be some famous star on Saturday night live but I immediately got back to Chicago saved a couple bucks and then I was like I'm going to move to La and just try it and if it sucks or I'm terrible at least I like went full-fledged that sounds like you weren't interested in dabbling in music you were like I'm going to move to Nashville and it's going to be sink or swim. Fail or succeed. You wanted to like fully invested at this time as opposed to when you sort of had one foot in one foot out. Totally and you know one thing I knew from a really young age I I was really lucky in that I started working really young. You know I had my first jobs you know twelve thirteen and they were all. Labor. Minimum wage short of jobs and I knew. That I liked him I do not get me wrong. I got a job I wanted to quit college in my mom. Got Me a job at this cedar fencing mill where she worked and I love a member of the first two weeks I was like this is amazing like maybe I'm GonNa, go back to college making good money, and then about two weeks in I started like waiting for the whistle like the break was sold in the lunch whistle and then the last whistle. In. So I knew I don't I didn't want to be somebody that worked all week long to then get to do what? I WanNa do on the weekend I wanted to have a job that that didn't feel like a job and. Don't get me wrong. Being a singer songwriter is hard people people see you on stage and think Oh what a dream and that is a dream. But there's another twenty two hours in that day. Assure you know with what you do. That that's not easy and that's not always easy but I love it I never felt. I wanted a job where never felt like I worked And so that's why I knew I needed to move to Nashville I knew where I was at it wouldn't happen. It's funny. There's this story and I've talked about on the PODCAST, but it's been a long time. It's been several years since I talked about it and I think that you and I are similar age. And the story was essentially why a lot of millennials or a little bit older than that are unhappy and it was because you know parents were happy just to have a job and then have a house but then they raise their kids with this idea that you should follow your dreams and do what you love, which is a great thing. But not everybody is going to be talented at the thing they love and be able to follow their dreams and do what? They love a lot of people are just going to have to have a job and make money and get by, and so there is a generation of people who were sort of set up with the different expectation that they would be tremendously hopeful about their careers and and what the what health of filling, what they did would be and how for many it would just be a constant disappointment unlike the generation before that was proud to have achieved these different kind of markers. But. Yeah. I I I always feel incredibly lucky to do something that I love and the pats getting. There is usually when it's a creative endeavor filled with a ton of self doubt because it's subjective, right? The markers for are you talented or funny or good singer or a good writer are not something that can be decided based on a specific set of of of grades or anything like that. It's it's how other people react to it. So are you what were the early moments where enough people reacted to what you did where the outside support made you think? Okay this isn't just in my head like I can do this job for a living. You know it still happens actually. It's funny. I want to say one thing when you were talking about you choose this creative endeavor. That's very subjective. I was just telling a friend of mine last week. WHO's a fantastic songwriter who's really frustrated? WHO's having a lot of success by the way I said, here's the deal. We chose ice skating. We, we didn't use basketball or football score. You know we choose ice skating. Yeah great analogy. For for track person because literally every event is just a number, you either ran faster or jumped higher or you didn't it doesn't even matter if there's no referee, there's not made you either need it or you didn't, and then everything else I've done since has been like I don't know what you guys did you like it. Now there's no politics in track the gun goes off. Every step along the way there was something that I remember when I first moved here I joined in Sai Nashville Songwriters Association international and I don't know if they still do. But at the time they would have these Thursday night meetings where you can pitch to a publisher in. So you would put your song in a basket and if you're lucky it got chosen and it was one of those things where everybody song didn't get chosen every time but. If you got chosen, one week may be your song wouldn't go in the next week. So it was it was real fair as far as how your songs would get hurt and I remember there being a publisher Pat Hidden who at the time was at Patrick Joseph Music who I really respected who who said really nice things about one of my songs and I remember that being that was like at that point like winning a grammy felt like. Feel like. And then you know playing playing I went to Belmont and. I worked my way through there and ended up in an innocent showcases by the end of the top of my time there, and in every year prior to that, I was being denied into those things but there was always something. It was usually a person who I respected and not always someone who was older. Sometimes it was a peer who liked what I did That's so much of it to me I wanted to didn't get as much. Validation from outsiders which I could just get it internally, but I can't. So a lot of times it's that and then you know I got a publishing deal and so then it became having a demo session songs getting on hold which met an artist would say, Hey, I want to hold this don't play for anybody else and yeah, there would be a grace period where they could hold the song and then if they didn't record it, somebody else would would you know put on hold and then it was getting cuts and then it was getting single radio singles and I, had several radio singles that that bombed and then it was having a hit. And then it was making a record you know. I got passed on a lot. Then was that record finding a home and critics I got a lot. I still get a lot of validation from critics in the lot of okay. I'm doing something right? Right You know those those were. Award nominations. Then the grammy nominations, those are a good indicator that you're doing something. Okay. Well, I'm curious whether a dream was and deep down in the honest parts of your heart, not necessarily what she believed could happen but what you most wanted to happen was it songwriter or was it performing artists who also writes songs sometimes for others? You don't changed when I moved to Nashville it was recording artist, and then as I immersed myself in the culture of Nashville I started to see. Just how much creativity fueled me? I started to see friends of mine they were getting record deals fell more on that performer side. They weren't as fueled by that. You know they were more. I've never been I mean one of my favorite things honestly about this podcast was when my manager told me what's on camera, but it's not going to be on camera. Don't have to do your makeup. I've that's always been Kinda the harder part for me. I saw people other females that were having success that they loved that part of it they would cancel a writing appointment to get Spring Tan right never gonNA. Be Me Yeah. I just started to and I turn thirty and I started to think you know that part of this dream is done in. That's okay because I'm really dreaming this Songwriter Dream Big And I know I can become a great songwriter. I know I see great songwriters and I and I watched them and I know I can do that because a lot of that is about working really hard. Yeah and so and there's a lot of luck involved too. But right about the time I completely let go of the artist's dream I was approached about making my first record and that was crazy because I also realized if you dream something. It doesn't really go away because the second that came up I was dreaming as big or bigger than I ever had. And I. Think you know? The beautiful part of that? Was I really let go In in I got to and I've gotten to have a career that is that really is driven by my songwriting I. Mean I have artist career if it wasn't for my song I walked dog scrapping over there. Yes. Sorry. About worries. From their partner but. So. You know I guess the way I've gotten to do it has been a really amazing mix in know you know then I am on the road, the the songs that I write and record and get and other ricard artists other artists, record our because I'm on the road. All albeit a festival and somebody'll approach me about writing in. We'll right and so I don't. I don't have to fight to get in those rooms and I. It's so much of that has been my artist career well, and if you become successful at the behind the scenes songwriting than when you get the opportunity to do the performance, the pressure's off a little bit because you have this thing to fall back on, you can be so much more probably free and yourself. In those moments instead of feeling like you have to to be something else in order to fit what they're looking for I mean I think of course in every industry, there's an unfair expectation for women to be great at whatever they do well, also looking perfect and of course, there's an image thing for men as well, but it's there's a there's a much bigger acceptable set of. Aesthetic things that you can fit in as a man that has a woman in. So I I often feel the same way you know I used to come up and see Erin Andrews and be like well, I'm not going to be Erin Andrews. So I guess that's not the job for me I would like to spend time doing other things other than you know like you said spray tanning and figuring out how to do my hair and make a perfect meal whenever But when you do get your foot in the door and you're like, oh, they're going to let me in here. Okay fine. Then I'm going to go ahead and do my best and. Take advantage of it. He they're football fans living in apartments and big cities sympathizing with all of you out there who want every live game every Sunday afternoon but who can't get direct TV where you live? Well, I have some good news for you. Now you can stream twenty, twenty nfl Sunday ticket on your favorite devices no satellite required and get every live out of market game every Sunday afternoon go online to. NFL Sunday ticket DOT TV now to see if you're eligible why watch only one Sunday market game when you can watch them all catch every game with NFL Sunday ticket DOT TV, use Promo Code Spain twenty at checkout to save fifteen percent. That's Promo Code Spain twenty two save fifteen percent at NFL Sunday ticket DOT TV. Don't miss any of the action head to NFL Sunday. Ticket DOT. TV Today. The songwriting thing is fascinating to me because you've written for an with so many incredible people and I'm trying to picture whether it's more artistic or. Business like you sit down with a word cloud about that person's ethos and brand and interests and talk about what they would like to project or do you sit down with pizza and beer and fiddle around on the guitar until you hear something that you like like somewhere in the middle I think it's somewhere in the middle. You know I've really learned I used to really. When I was sitting down to write with another artist I used to really try to listen to their music and even if I already knew it, I would listen to it and think, okay what are they like to say on a record What might they WANNA say on their next record you know 'cause artists of all and I would come in with all these ideas. What I've learned is in a lot of his system for making my own records artist like the song to be their idea. That's me too. If I, look at my records Mo- not all but most of the songs were my original idea. Now, that's not I. Didn't clearly if I could write them all by myself I would I needed co-writers as do other artists but you you want. If it's your idea at tends to be something you want to say, and so I've learned to not do all that. Homework. That really just took me time and probably frustrated them. They're like I wanNA right by idea and I've had more success writing with other artists since then coming into trying to help them say what they WANNA say. One of the songs that you wrote that's one of my favorites and actually helped me get into more country stuff. I had my set of country people that I was into and then I was a I was on vacation with the French she started playing Casey Muss, graves follow your Arrow and immediately I was like what's this country song? It's talking about kissing girls and smoking pot and not you know I love my truck and I was so into it and that sort of what you're known for is a little bit of dark humor realism. Talking about current stuff and not just these sort of old school country tropes. You talk about that song in particular and I think I reached out and got the opportunity to play a little bit of it. So we'll listen to a little bit. For those who don't know this song? August. So. Tell me about what was the inspiration for that. You know that's a great example of what I was just talking about that was a song. I wrote that with Casey must graves in Shane McNally Casey was at the time. Shane was also producing Shannon, Luke layered, produced her albums and so. They were done. You know there so I had been told. And then she wanted to but she wanted to write and everybody likes to keep their chops up and so I just Kinda thought that was why we were writing that day was just to keep everybody's juices flowing in. She had a poem that she had written to a friend of hers. It was going to Europe for the summer I think and it just said smoke lots of joints and kiss lots of boys and follow your Arrow. And she wanted to turn that into a song. She said you know what I was thinking. It'd be cool to have Eros in the artwork. So then I thought oh well, clearly the album's not done. You know right? It's So we wrote that and I don't feel like anybody at the in the moment felt like we were making some big statement at least I didn't and I and I always loved writing with them because they would write anything and nobody was like worried about saying kiss lots of boys kissel two girls with that something you're into or The roll up join ain't nobody was worried about that. So then the next thing I know. Shane tells. Shane. Plays me cut it was over Christmas break and it was great and I said L. It's awesome because we'll the good news says it's going to be on the record. The bad news is it's knocking this other song of yours off the record up. By well, they're my chance at a single on this is I never thought follow your air would be a single and it was and it ended up going on to be a huge song for all us you know So. That's the story of that one. Yeah. Are there people that you particularly love writing for because of that sort of because I see Casey Moss graves is always with a little bit of a wink she's she's genuine and cheese heartfelt but more of a wink and less more modern are the artists that you like being able to because you feel like they match your sort of humor and wit and and like playful darkness. Yeah I like writing with artists who? Who just want to say something In Oregon to second guess it. You know like that aren't in that's that comes down to somebody who knows who they are Really you know like that's that's the only time it really works for me. Otherwise, I would be better served to just write a song by myself with another songwriter and pitch it to an artist who doesn't know who they are but maybe that Song white-shoe. The WHO that is you know, yeah, does that happen as often where you just send a completed song to somebody versus working on it with not as not as much as it used to when I first moved to Nashville the outside cut that's what they call that, which is where I I've had the majority of my hits actually have been outside cuts and I haven't sound like I've had. You. KNOW DOZENS OF HITS I've had a couple but they've been. For the most part and so that was just about writing a great song and then pitching it to producer usually that got it to the artists and the artists pitched probably for every project hundreds if not a over a thousand songs. In then that artists choosing that song and recording it That used to be the way it happened. It still happens that way but not as much. You know at some point it changed and I, think it a lot of it is about a financial end of things with record labels not selling as many records. So now they have publishing companies and artists get signed to those publishing companies in it's another revenue stream if I'm looking at it just as a business person. In a lot of artists someone like Casey, definitely, a great songwriters should be writing her records but then there artists that if if that was if they weren't. Forced into writing when it right in would rise word other people's songs. I mean, George Strait is one of my favorite artists of all time. Made an amazing career out of that REBA mcentire for the most part who's recorded several of my songs and several other people songs. You know Tricia Earwood you know those are people that. Great singers great stylist know exactly who they are in their songs from. Just you know working class songwriters. Yeah. You know you mentioned the business side of things and it's like back to the figure skating again when you're making a life out of something that somebody else gets to subjectively judged the value of. It can get a little sticky because there's the beauty of art and creativity, and then there's the bottom line of what sells. So if you create something, you love what it is, and then someone buys it and changes it. Are you happy that they paid you and you made money off of it or you still a little bit like that was my baby and you made it worse or I don't like how you change it or I don't like how you performed. Well Luckily for me I haven't had that happen. I've been really really pleased with the cuts have had and the singles I've had. So I feel pretty lucky boy I don't know you know I guess money doesn't matter enough to me I would I would not want something of mine out there that I wasn't proud of yeah. I. Think that would be really tough or if you wrote it with someone in mind they passed on it and some other artists that didn't have the vocal chops or the guitar chops or something took it on and just didn't do it the justice you had imagined I, think that would be tough to even if it was the product that you had made. Yeah. You know I mean. We all work really hard at our craft. So we wanna see whoever's going to take on our craft next be equally as good at their part of it. Yeah. One of the things you said on Brian Koppelman podcast who's a screenwriter who's been on this podcast before was that as you`re Becoming partnered up with people by their by your choice or somebody else's to to go into a writing session and try things out you need to feel like a genius in order for it to work. Can you kind of explain what you mean by that? Well I think you know publishers when they set up riders not all of them but I think most of them think okay. Well, this person's really good at lyric this person's really get it melody. Let's put him in a room together. Well, that doesn't always work sometimes it does. What I have found works is when I get in a room with someone who's likes my instincts in whose instincts I like an from that when I need to feel like a genius, we're all really insecure. We're all big self doubters. So I just think if you can feel like a little bit of a genius for you know a day, you're you're going to be more willing to say something stupid which is where great songs come from. You know if you're editing yourself before it even leaves your brain. It's not gonna it's not the right room. You know it's got to be. You've got to be in a room with somebody where you can say look I. Know this isn't it but. Here and they can say. You're right. It's not it. But what if we did this year they say, no, you're so wrong you're second guessing yourself that is it yeah. Yeah you know. What happens to you more often align like with Casey saying that she thought you know smoke lots of joints and kiss lots of boys I wanNa make that Asong does that happen more often or does a story that you wanna tell or does melody that you want to write to? What comes I usually? Well, usually it's either a line like what you're talking about the Casey story or story. Very few times for me hasn't been a musical idea I win it is it's always great you like I've had very few songs I career where myself or a CO writer has come in with an almost completed piece of music. But those times it has happened that has always been phenomenal I wish that happened more often because I have a phone full. Right when the right music comes along, I can even if it's two years ago, I can think, oh, man that one idea that I didn't know what to do with that music me think of it. Yeah. So I wish that happened more for me, but it's usually some sort of a lyric or story. What'll keep me out of heaven is one you said that was like the line came first and then a whole story came after right? Yeah. It feels to me like you you kind of tour with the outskirts of of country in what they allow and what they want to hear about, and what has sort of been traditionally accepted. You're lesbian you're open about it and you. To do with your Casey. Must Graves lines that you threw in but I loved those because they felt to me more modern than some old country Do you ever wonder or have you before this current record or in the past? How much you want to introduce that side of yourself into your music or how much you want to write with the traditional sort of boy and girl fall in love I'm singing to a boy kind of ideas. You know. Really thought about it. That I really to me, no, I really hadn't Now, this album to me was is definitely more personal because it's more first person. And even though even though it will keep me on a heaviness first person in my mind that was always a story song yeah. But. Definitely, with this album, I thought about that more and I was really really open about I had gone through a break-up of a long relationship. And that's what this album a huge part of this album was to me. So that's probably the most I've ever really thought about it I've always tried to write sign. This is not this is not about being gay maybe it is I don't know but I'm always tried to write songs that anybody could put themselves in and stay away from he she. because. You know that's not everybody's story my story Because I think those are the best i. mean you think about like crazy that's my favorite song of all time. There's no he or she in that you don't know me. I guess there is but that could also be a real gay song. Yes. Yes sir expecting. I mean, we turn Joe Lean into a gay song I don't know if you listened to Delhi Parts America but there's a whole professor who's written about how he's really in love with Joe Lean so. Right, so I'm always tried. To I want people to find themselves in my songs. You know. So I've I've tried to not limit that and but I've not thought about it. A lot is in terms of me being gay people think about me when I sing a song I mean definitely, there are songs like stripes was my first song ever put out there where in the video it's a guy and it's being that was definitely being in a character that was really fun I was already out of the closet in. So it's not like I was trying to let anybody think that traffic is the guy in that video of spy boyfriend or husband because he's not. But. A lot of it. So a lot of it like those stripes SORTA songs are may getting into character that's really really fun to play for three and a half minutes but overall I do try to write songs in a way that they can apply to me and they can apply to you and they can apply to the guy down the street working at Kroger. Yeah. You you mentioned this this new. that just came out in in March. called. Your life as a record is a lot about this break-up which definitely explains, can we be strangers is such a great song it's does not only do I not want to be with you anymore I actually wish I never met you and never had been with you is just such a great sentiment and it's how we feel sometimes about someone that doesn't make us a doesn't make us feel good anymore or maybe it makes us feel bad because of how good they did used to make us feel I also like who you thought I was which will play just a little bit of that here. A. Star. Field In that. So that's sort of the first single. Take, behind that because. I can feel that song this idea of like Oh man I really this up and if I could go back and just be more truly myself maybe we maybe this whole thing could have been different. Will that Song that idea came I was at the Americana awards a couple of years ago and I was in the audience and John Prime, came out to introduce iris dement in everybody stood up for him for what felt like a long time you know and as he deserved and when everybody finally sat down, I think in an attempt to not get emotional he said while I'm John Prien but I'd like to go back to being who you thought was her and it really hit me. As having been somebody that you know. When you're when you're when you're in a long relationship, you let somebody down whether it continues to go on or not, and you there is a part of you that likes to likes to wishes they could go back and be who they who they fell in love with the. Idea that they had or who they thought. They fell in love with a lot of right and Or even you know when somebody thinks that you're there forever like none of us get into relationships or at least I don't thinking we're going to break up. You know you know your I'm always thinking this is. It. You know and so it hit me when he said that I remember I started crying like it just hit me really hard and then I'd also hit me as songwriter sitting amongst a whole bunch of other songwriters. Well, somebody's GonNa that it's GonNa be me instead the next day I took that in and wrote it with Jessie Jo Dillon in Jonathan Singleton So that's where that came from. So, it's interesting because I heard it as I wanna be the me that I should have been, which is head I. let myself be truly myself and been honest you would have seen this wonderful person and you're instead sort of spinning it as I wish whoever you thought I was which seems like a really awesome great person who is much less flawed than I actually him I wish I could be. That ideal and they both work. Yes. See that's that you telling me that makes me feel like we really did our job is songwriters is you could take it that way to me it's like I. Wish I would have been who I could have been. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's like me. I could have been when we were the best version of me, which is who you always thought. I. Was Right in. Right Tell me about this record and why it's it's special or different I imagine that there are certain artists who are very experimental like this records gonna sound completely different than the next one, and then there are others who are just sort of telling the story of their life in that moment. What's your approach when you start creating? Is it song by song or is it overall vision for an album? Overall vision you know because I write a lot of songs and so usually there's one song on this record it was passed as the past, which is the last song that sort of bubbles up as the centerpiece in doesn't always end up in the middle of the record and it doesn't always end up the center piece at the end, but it's it's the catalyst for a record and that was the song that everybody involved in the process. Really. It's time to make a record. And for me, it's usually like my first record twelve stories, we had two concepts swirling it was either the length of a relationship or the day in the life of one woman. Neither of those things became with that record was was was what that record became, but they helped keep it together. Second Record when I wrote the Song Big Day in a small town. I knew who I WANNA. I WANNA record day small town in my mind everything can take place in this town. This time. it was a sonic concept. You know I had worked Jay. Joyce my last record in thought. If I ever worked with Jay again, I want to challenge him to cut all acoustic because he's known for a heavier more electric sound and he such a creative guy wouldn't that be cool to only use acoustic instruments. So we talked about it in both on board with it. and. then. I remember him coming to me in saying he's the one who pointed out to me. This is a break-up record which he was the last person to hear all the songs and so. You know he listened to it down, said this break-up record and I hadn't thought of it that way yet in. So we started working on it. Just four of us did all we recorded all the basic tracks. It was mostly coup stick did start to add a few electric instruments in he came to me and said, how do we make this different than every other acoustic singer Songwriter Wreck In I said what about strings? And he was like, oh strings are there are tough to record takes a lot of them, and then he called me that night and said, hey, I was thinking about what you said, what about Memphis strings and horns and? I didn't totally know what he meant. He said you know like, Bobbie Gentry I am shelby Lynne dusty in Memphis and so then okay. Okay and I said, well, let's try and so we sent three songs to them and they sent those three songs back in just blew our minds and so we went and got the budget to do the whole album that way in it really became the character. Of the of the records. So that was different for me that it was more of a sonic concept. It's amazing what a difference those decisions can make to something and I wonder if you've been influenced more by the label sometimes than on your initial gut instinct I I was listening to a live. Raila Montaigne show and he. Lamented the fact that the song that he had written that he loved the way it was he had been told by the label people that he needed to change it and you needed to make a certain way and that he liked it better the way he originally recorded. So I'm really excited to hear it because it's You are the best thing which is a great song and I'm like Oh my God, it's going to be even better than the one I know it's going to be so great and then he played it and I was like Oh I think the record people were like super right here. Now again, once you hear something the first time one way sometimes, it's so hard to just hear it completely different and you're going to feel more connected to the first one but it just it was sort of sad and depressing the way he did it and the way they did it for the record had so much more and it was clearly much more of a radio play kind of version. But I wonder how often you're or if you've ever been in those battles of this is how I'm hearing at this is the the instrumentation I want versus them saying that's not really going to work for either radio or singles or where we WANNA position you. You. Know I've been lucky I've always worked with I've always been surrounded by people don that really respect creativity. And so very seldom have I had somebody say have you thought about it this way you know other than a producer who I consider the last writer of the songs you know if I'm not gonNA let my first producer Dave brainard and then Jay Joyce if I'm not GonNa, let them have some rope. It makes no sense you know both of them. Changed Arrangements you know Jane is turned songs on their ear in an end. When he first started I would think Oh God you know. But I'm so happy that I let him have his journey because what it ended up as was different than I imagined in better I do listen when you know the anr team that I work with I haven't had I haven't had any in before this record outside of management in the head of the label at the time but I see how much care they take a worked with. Jeff Saas now Lenny warnekar occur anr on this record and. Very, seldom. Do, they feel strongly enough to say, Hey, could you do this? So when they do I do listen I, give it a shot but at the end, it's my call right in springtimes. What they want is exactly what it needs, and then sometimes what I originally wanted is what it needs. I don't have anything out there that I think man I wish I wouldn't have listened. I don't feel that. Okay speed round. Is there a song you thought would be a hit that you wrote and nobody else seemed to feel that way Oh for sure. I mean, you know home my hand on my first record that was a song part of why I made that record was so frustrated that that song hadn't had a bigger home and in it was all meant to be because then I ended up recording it and it it still my favorite song I've ever I've ever been a part of and. Performing on the Grammy's and you know was nominated for best country song at the grammys. Happened if any if it would have had any other journey. Yeah. What about a song that you thought was just And then it ended up being one that everybody raved about. Past is the past was that way? I didn't like it. I just didn't realize just how much everybody else was gonNA love it. No. Tell me about the. Jaws viewing. Party that she hosted and how jaws inspired a song that's very random unless of course you were using the. The that part I would get, but it was not even really about that. I've had that idea at one to write that idea for a long time where in the movie jaws were Roy Scheider sees the shark for the first time. He turns around and says, we're GONNA need a bigger boat you. Just, about the world in in. Iraq. Now we need a bigger boat. Yes i. mean this song is more relevant now than it was, we wrote it which is sad. Yes. When we with a guy named Adam right in when he and I wrote it. You. Know the south was flooding the West, the California was on fire, and so that's that's where that song came from Now, it continues to every day be more and more relevant Jaaz watching party was the. Forty fifth anniversary no forty fifth real jaws was going to say the twenty fifth but is the forty fifth anniversary of jaws and so on that day. We did a Marathon Watch party and I would pop into people's Zoom Watch parties. That's when. I'm was up this little shark would come across central back. So that was really fun and I just just did a video. It's an animated video of sorts with Randy Newman who does a guest guest on that he and I are like cartoons or stop motion characters I. Don't know what it's. bobbleheads. Yeah. And that Yes oh It's been a fun thing. That's fun you yeah. You were tweeting about jaws. You have a sort of, is it a video podcast you can come over but you can't come in or more. Yeah. It's we started it on instagram live and. There were too many technical errors too many people were trying to get on instagram at once right then. So moved over to Youtube, which is great because then it can live a little longer and It's been a really fun way for me to interview people who inspire me It's a way for fans to get a just a blanket backstage conversation. Yeah I'm you had emily salaries on on I just love the indigo girls That was that was a fun one I like the I like the background to those that insight those conversations between artists. You also have a book club. You're saying very busy during quarantine you're engaging with your fans a lot but you also post about June eighteenth and confederate statues and progressive ideas. You know I read a story that said you're actually surprised by the embrace of country music because of your sexuality and because of some of your ideas I'm do you still feel that way or do you feel like there's spaces within the industry that are unwelcoming to people who have maybe more progressive views? We'll clearly there are and. I mean you know when I when I posted about black lives matter I lost a ton of fall. In a bummer. Which I told my manager who didn't carry either just said, hey just sitting no, you just lost ten followers unlike I'm not making music for big. It's yeah. Yeah. It's really the way I feel and I feel like it's my job as a human. To to stand up for people who sometimes can't stand up for themselves. Yeah. Yeah and it's It's it's an artistic choice to be that way I remember the pivot point that I took in my career where it was I'm going to alienate a bunch of dudes who really want to drink beer and talk sports with me by talking about feminism and the ways women are mistreated in male dominated industries everything else. But I would much rather make that pivot and feel like going about what I'm doing what I'm helping the next group of women. Coming through than just you know make more money and make sure everybody wants to you know go to the sports bar with me So a tough choice ranked, but there are moments where you re recognized that maybe your your audience would be bigger but also I think sometimes when you get really true and genuine about the things you care about the respect from people and the investment in you is so much greater than that surface level like the song she sings. Oh I've had so many fans reach out to me and thank me for speaking up about things and I don't even think I've been all that vocal you know Sometimes, I wish I could be more vocal, but I don't feel informed enough sometimes to be more vocal But. I in some of those fans that have reached out to me have been fans of mine from the beginning and so I think, wow, you know. So I lost a couple thousand people who? Weren't really my fan. In someone who's really been with me from the get go I would've lost them. By just quiet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm running out of time, but you have to do the one thing that everybody does nobody expects. The Spanish inquisition. Expects the Spanish physician it's the Spanish inquisition number one, your desert island album you can only have one. Patty. Loveless when fallen angels fly wow I'm so I'm so glad you did that right away because that's a tough one for everyone. So I think for musicians it's especially. number two, what habit or quality do you think has contributed most to your success? self-discipline. For the writing stuff it's huge. and. just sitting there with an empty. Number three, what would you consider your biggest failure? Wow, Han. I don't know I mean I've had things that have failed like you know my last record. We, went for country radio push in it cracked the top forty in I wish it would have gone higher but I don't think of it as if as my biggest failure, I mean 'cause I I can't really look at me and say, what could I have done better or different because I did everything I could Well I don't know. Maybe it's good that I don't. There's not something that really. POPs up because to me, the biggest failure would be to not try. And I can honestly say there's not anything. Had I not taken the road of an artist that would have been it right I would have been not pursuing that artist's career when I could have but I haven't done that so I don't feel a biggest failure. That's good. It's could number four have you ever been a fistfight? Not Really I mean you know a couple times and sports things? Go you know I've had a few technical fouls? You don't really Number five. If you could switch lives with anyone for one day, who would it be? You know I think the president Whoever that president is I mean right now trump. Yeah but he's to stand in their shoes and really see. The job at its yeah. Yeah. Number six. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been. Probably, when I farted in pe class in my freshman. Doing setup since. Pueblo I hope someone was holding your feet. They were. That's perfect. Timing we started laughing. Like hiding it like it was somebody else. That's. Number seven. What's the thing about yourself? You'd most like to improve. Myself disciplined when it comes to late night eating. Okay. So a different kind of self. Yes. Yeah I love you told Brian Koppelman that you know other writers who are. Very creative when they smoke weed and you would do that all the time except for you would like thousand pounds on. Jeez. Yeah. These side effects those are. Number eight if you could be commissioner of life for a day, what one rule would you enforce that all of society would have to adhere to? Be kind to everybody you meet to their face in behind their back. And on the Internet to might as well throw that in there. Number nine. What's the most scared you've ever been. Wow. When I? Guess it was almost ten years ago. Now I had a spinal fluid leak. Oh Wow. It didn't know what it was. It was fun Tanis and I thought I was dying. You know there were a lot of crazy things going on I had double vision I couldn't feel half of my body I was sure that I was on my way out. You know once I think once they found out what it was, which was you know a good almost month into what was going on with me I've felt a little better but simply no spinal fluid. Big Sounds pretty terrible. I wish it on on Very many people. Yeah. I liked that you stop yourself from saying anyone and there are certain people that you would wish it on because that's how I operate as well. There are certain people that deserve spinal fluid leak not not anyone. Number ten, what three words would you most hope people would use to describe you? Kind. Hardworking and talented nice very very to the point Final question who should I have on this podcast? WHO's someone doesn't have to be sports or music or anything just anyone that I should have on. That's interesting. Oh let me think on that for a second because I know a lot of interesting I bet you do you know why they should have Jay Joyce get him who produces so many records in he might do this podcast. He doesn't do a lot but he might do this one off to check that out I would be. I love music people. Have that sort of shadow life where I followed a different path you know. I got to hang out Nashville with all you folks This was so fun. It was great talking to you congrats on the new record. Good luck supporting it from wherever you can are allowed to at the moment and virtually via all the different avenues It was great talking to you too. That's what she said. It's time once again for South Bitch sessions where I rant about something that bothers me and I fix it and this week it's coffee. Coffee Sweet Delicious Coffee that I'm absolutely one hundred percent addicted to now I did not use to drink a lot of coffee before the quarantine I would limit myself to maybe to starbucks talls a week a week I wouldn't even always finish the tall that's the small. starbucks tall a small, and now because I think the beginning of quarantine, I needed a reason to leave my house, walk down the street and go to this place that has a window open that you just order an advanced your hand into the window and take the coffee I needed a reason to leave and the the hot comforting taste of a delicious MOCHA. Made me feel like I'd accomplish something it was something I couldn't make it home because I've never my life attempted to make coffee so I had to go out and overpay for it but it felt like this thing to do this thing this reason to leave the house and this delicious thing that I couldn't make for myself well, now it's gotten out of control and one day if I stamp, it's probably GonNa be about this. Because I always said I did not want to be dependent on anything don't like the feeling of needing anything but now the morning the first thing in my head, it's the thought of coffee. I'm one of those people. Now, one of those people that's GonNa have a Mug that says, but first coffee I'm GONNA get a t shirt that says don't talk to me until I had my coffee I'm going to be one of those people All right. I feel good about what we accomplished today. Absolutely nothing because I keep telling myself. I gotTA stop drinking it. And go like a day without it and I'll be yawning my way through the prep for my radio and falling. Asleep. Anyone have any tips you help me the commissioner helped this time they're fixed it but I didn't fix. It helped me. If, you ever do dilemma for the Commissioner, fix tweeted to me at Sarahspain or go to the tunes or podcast APP, subscribe rate and review. That's what she said was Sarahspain, leave your dilemma in your review, and maybe I'll fix it on a podcast. Thanks as always for lasting about an hour. Well, that's what she said. Hey football fans, Jimmy Garoppolo here to tell you just how glorious your Sundays can be with NFL Sunday ticket dot TV stream all live out of market NFL Games every Sunday afternoon on your favorite devices never miss your favorite team's your favorite players even your favorite players, favorite players the most glorious Sundays ever are yours no matter where you live or Nfl Sunday ticket DOT TV today out of Work Games only only one game it'd be accessed from won't be any given time eligibility restrictions and other conditions apply.

Nashville Shane McNally Casey Sports Grammy basketball Washington writer Brian Koppelman WNBA NFL publisher Brandy Clark Spain producer football Sarah goff Golden Colorado instagram Jason
Never Too Early or Too Late Part II, Feat. Casey Adams, with Joel Marion - BTI 58

Born to Impact

1:16:30 hr | 8 months ago

Never Too Early or Too Late Part II, Feat. Casey Adams, with Joel Marion - BTI 58

"There's loads of people who listen to this in the thirties forties fifties and beyond to learn a lesson. Still waiting until everything's perfect waiting for the perfect time to do X.. And it can be as simple as in relationships. While I was wasn't the right time I wanted to express how I felt may never be the right time and the perfect time late. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then and then exactly then you'll look back and regret and say Wash done that. Which always said that? We're supposed to cultivate that relationship more. Gave myself a shot at that burning dream constantly recurring in my mind that I never gave myself a chance to see if I could do it like to work it out. Don't want to be in that position right so it just started just started and trust me. You're more people than thank you. All right what is up guys. Welcome back to another impactful episode of the born to impact podcast. Today's a special episode. Because we get to continue the conversation that we started last week with tracey Adams this is part two event interview. I know it's going to bless speak to you queue up part two with Casey Adams impersonation I connection Kanthi replace. You know. That's why we fly people in this and that have just zoom interview which is a fine way to connect if you're on a budget or or whatever but there's nothing like getting there in person and that may mean spend some money to fly somewhere and be at an event where a bunch of people are going to be as leapfrogging game right how how can sure I can. DM somebody may be scheduled zoom podcast and whatever or can get in front of fifty people. I WANNA connect with without one event right shortcut to a massive amount of connections that are there and if I show up with intention and to value and you know obviously you're not there about well what's what's in it for me connected everybody. Here's my business. Here's my business card and you know it's not gonNA work but showing up in person with the intention to just have real authentic connections and provide value and your name begins to be known right now now. Are you showing up at an event. The first event in San Diego you show up at fricken. No one knew he were right now. People are showing up to events that you're throwing for are you right. Yeah big difference. How does that happen? Well like you said it's about showing up over and over us about repetitions about nee been I'm getting around around events that the group of guys are a lot at all these events so now I become one of those guys because I'm a regular right and I'm not just a regular at advance but I'm showing up value are you. I'm coming back and I'm actually doing things. There's a lot of event junkies out there. Too Far. All they do is just go attend events do Jack Crap when they get home. They're not running. Any real business is not doing anything up building anything. They're just professional net workers. This is a modern day networking comecon all. It is is about all it all it is. Is this about for some people being seen being seen feeling COMECON porn. Learn to get dressed up. You walking around like a Weirdo. I don't I don't get COMECON people who do. I'm not making fun of you if you go to those okay. 'cause my brother does but yeah there's not a whole lot going on this is drinking. And who's WHO's WHO's crushing it. Meanwhile you're not crushing anything. You didn't one point one million great. How much did you spend an ad spin? You may no money. You're not profiting anything. If anything you've taken a lot of anyways you get it but the point is you you recognize you understand the value of connection and not only one time a one off connection but putting yourself in a room with that person multiple times and now it's forming a real real relationship right. Then they speak on your stage and it's like okay yeah one of my squad bell Ti. So that's the process and and then Late two thousand seventeen when the pot jazz but more so going from affiliate marketing for like the business that I was doing to like actually afford that so I started as social media agency that that's more so what ty was teaching I start going back to like for example my chiropractor. That was doing my neck when I was injured and my dentist I was closing all these different. Like deals or anywhere from three three to five grand a month to like manager facebook ads and run the ads and manage their facebook instagram pages and that was sort of like my hustle at the time for a strong year year and a half of managing these different clients. Anyone from doctors to a restaurant or whatever it was that was more so what I was doing. Picking up the phone actually hustling making the phone calls walking into the meetings and trying to portray myself or than I was. I'm seventeen in talking to a dentist. That's like how are you GonNa help me get more patients than unlike. Here's a strategy. Here's the breakdown. Whatever it is I wanted to make that because I think that's super important to like for me? It was the Social Media Marketing Agency that allowed me to travel and how host. She's events in of being able to afford flying all over the country. Because I think that's something that it doesn't happen right. You have the. There's this finances that need to happen. I spent like thirty grand that year traveling. And that's something I would never regret because that was for me. The most like every dollar has compounded from that in the relationships that have come from that are priceless and and I. I want everyone to think about that. It's it's more so during that time I didn't know who I didn't know if it was gonna be valuable but I knew if I was to show up there's potential of the people in the room from the different events. It's from the way that whether they were promoting it or whatever and I look at that as twenty seventeen just to kind of close that year off that was like the foundation of like real execution hustling making making things happen. Two Thousand Sixteen was the start. Twenty seventeen was actually the year that I saw massive momentum with the following relationship with traveling and then this past year two thousand eighteen leading twenty nine hundred is when things really got to go on a roll with the podcast and meeting New People and having the show and then moving out to Arizona and is really this whole last eighteen. Eighteen months has really been a good foundation period that will get into but twenty seventeen was the year where it's it was so funny where it's me traveling every weekend skipping school I think I'm as fifty the day's senior year of high school in two thousand eighteen travelling and I it was hardly the most funny things looking back because I get a text one day for my buddy. Hey Man when you come to the event and I'll go out there and there's no other option but to be there you know I would i. Would I would book the flight and then sell my parents. Hey can I go to this event on this weekend and in L. A. and I don't know you just went there two weeks ago but already had the flight books and I was like I gotTa make it happen so there was no other option. I think that's a foundational channel strategy. Thought you were nuts for anyone listening is just like you have to be committed. I think that's the most important thing I fall back on like. I've met a lot of young entrepreneurs as well where it's like you know. They want go to brand. They want to build a following but then they're watching Netflix. Eight o'clock on Friday night hanging Loyola obsessed. Yeah right one hundred percents you can just sit here and you can just hear it like it. Listen you're obsessed and you want to succeed absolutely and you want to succeed that bad that you're willing to do whatever it takes to get there so key. I don't care where you're at in life it is so key. Do whatever it takes to get there. I'm I'm I'm definitely known as one of those kind of people. That's that's incredible credible and let me ask you. Didn't Collagen go to college college. Okay do you miss it. You didn't go to college not okay and so what do you say to someone. WHO's out in in college right now? That said okay. See because you took took thirty thousand dollars you said and you invest in you. Yeah now you archer average year an obsessed relentless individual that spent thirty thousand on you to take action and to build your network right so someone. WHO's thirty grand in on college right now and maybe they don't really know which way to go? I mean what would you say to them phenomenal question and I think it's funny because me being nineteen when I answer this I all of my friends like it's the right thing to do or the the normal for me right now is to be in college. You know so so when you asked that question is funny because I have two older brothers. They they went to college. I've the didn't finish the dropped out. And now they have debt so they went in expecting result of piece. The paper diploma left early. Still have debt. Don't have diploma so I I saw that happened just on a small scale and I say this to get to a point of I understood that every dollar now that I invested into traveling early on I was seeing instant returns on that whether that's from a relationship or just from that experience that I didn't have prior like all the trips that I went on in two thousand seventeen. I'll always cherish those because it's the first time I went on a planner wind to this city and I think from a college perspective. I think if you're going with a purpose that's one thing doctor lawyer physician. Whatever it is? I have a lot of friends that I knew in high school that are in college. And it's it's been a year since I graduated in two thousand eighteen so it's been this year I think I've been able to analyze the people in that. I still know back home. How they're thinking and make sure to ask them? How is it like genuinely and you only? I'm curious I'm not there you're experiencing something I am not therefore like what's your experience and it's funny because a lot of my friends are like dude. This sucks I not good people. Everyone's partying every Every second and obviously you'd expect that college that's kind of what you pay for your vacation. One hundred thousand or more for my brother it went in and I think it's one thing to go with the intent of the social and If you have a scholarship that's one thing but just to go as like A. Hey I need a four year buffer for to figure out what I need to do and I want to delay like making a decision right now of where I want to take my life. If you're going and you truly don't have a plan I meet a lot of people in just people as well where it's like the go. What are you gonNA Major? And I'm just doing this. You know minor. I don't really know yet I'm just going and I I think if you do not have a purpose and a core plan on why you're going and yes things can change then. You should take a step back because there's so much information on business like if you listen to the born in born in back podcasts. You guys are making nine figures in your companies. That is something you can listen to four free and get more insight any time of day. You don't have to wait for professor show. You can listen to it all day every day and if you truly immerse yourself into all this free content like what is that worth right and you can always go back to college if you need two hundred percent. That's what I thought that was the selling point for my parents have like either a can go to college right now on regret the opportunities of moving out West because that was one of my goal is to move out West as soon as I graduate. High School to immerse myself in surroundings. Things where it's just something completely new and there's so much uncertainty of like you know I moved to Arizona after I went there one time. I went there for a week and I was like cool. I'M GONNA move there a Partners are out here me and my packed everything moved there and I believe I told my parents and I think if you're listening whether you're nineteen or eighteen or you're the parent and the situation you can always go back to college number one but the opportunities that are here today if you don't execute on them now in a year they may not they might not be there right like the way things are aligned and in this current moment are there for a reason and if you don't execute on them now in there may not be another moment exactly like this that happened. So what's Ah you're all in or all out. That's how I like to say because I just I just had this conversation with another guy who we've we have mentioned the podcast. If you're times names Richard and I had a heart to heart with him. I was at a wedding me just this. DMZ A couple of times in the past. I was at a wedding in Toronto for another business friend. And I was with my other friend Vince del Monte who was also attending the wedding and I had set the sky. Richard Up was a avid listened to the podcast. DMZ million times in the right way but finally aim finally got a response. Use The centric times. That's always a message pop up at the top of my bouts of Mike Dude. I get what you're doing. It's brilliant but anyway i. I ended up setting Richard with my good friend. Vince Domani as an internship with him kid goes to UCLA UCLA. He's going two senior year right now. Yeah so I'm GonNa tell you how he was about not to be back there right and he always while he's there because he found out he only needed Like eight more credits to graduate. I we all thought it was gonna be a whole `nother year so I end up having this conversation. which had him looked into it and he's like only eight more credits? I can mike finishes in six weeks. I was like I said. Just go do it then. But he was going to senior year just finishing up his internship with. Vince had a really successful internship. UNSHIPPED VINCE LOVES THEM WOULD WANNA bring on the team. You know as as a good good good paying position with plenty of opportunity to grow share right up. Yep and not a shocker to me so I said I said what's Richard Story. What's he's going back to school or what he said? He didn't want to letdown as parents on finishing. And I said I said some of these talk to them or are you GonNa talk to me. You know just makes no sense right. You're you'RE GONNA go you're gonNA leave something like your dream job. You already got it right. You have job offer table. This is the Lou. You'd WanNa Finish School in hopes of I had a decent and job yellow my dream job right after the fat. He's GonNa leave you and who knows what's going to happen in over the course of the next year right right you may. That's what he just talked about about the next year you may. You may need him or not need him. In a year. Things may be different. You may bring somebody in because this is a role that you need philbin somebody else doing a good job and now that opportunities no no longer there then what will he be successful in line. Something else sure. A daisy capable kid. He can but why why I said WHO's paying for school. I don't use it. I said I call Richard so I called Richard next a text messages and I said I talked to him right there. I stood right there behind his the bar. Right here in my in my house I I just got home from another trip. Yup from Toronto wedding and I we landed like late and and this is like eleven thirty at night and I talked to the guy for over an hour right here I said just so you know I said Dude. I'm so sick and tired right now. Right right and I've been on phone calls Galore for this mastermind lasting. I WANNA do is be eleven thirty at night on a phone call. I said I'm calling you because I give a crap and if you end up going back to school it's not the right decision. I said I get it. You're already three years in whatever but why waste of full nother year. You know it's this soon back to mom and dad. We talked about it and he said well. It's an honor my parents. I said WHO's paying for school. They are said how about if you told them that. They can save thirty thousand dollars and not pay for your last year. You can always go back. I said did you can always go back. Let's just say it doesn't work out whatever you can always go back and finish your last year. Whatever you know we'll talk through it and then ultimately came to the point? It's like you know what I'm playing not to lose them. Not playing to win you know. Oh I'm just thinking of a fallback Fall back on my degree if this workout whatever use giving yourself an out so yeah you WanNa have that degree and potentially miss out on opportunity here. That's right here right now right so anyway. Long story short he was he was all thousand seven on board after. I talked to him about not going back soon. We'll have a conversation with his parents. I said look if you need me to talk to mom and dad as somebody who is successful business owner who sees potential in you. I'll do it right. Why would I even do that for this kid? Only because she's just done all the right things right all the right things. He showed up for one of my best friends. One Vince was the guy who I looked up to. When I started in business that I wanted to be like minutes right now? I'm my pass kit onto beat intern. He shows up events he does a great job upright. And I'm spending my time at eleven thirty on. Whatever was Monday night with this kid just trying to talk some sense into him? That going to school for your last year makes no sense. Do Not Pass up and again colleges the correct path for some people try not discount it right right but if you are if you feel a K.. Entrepreneurship is in my blood. And I am and if this is your kid and you see this in the right the why have them just kinda go through the motions for four years only to finally get the freedom and then just scrap all all that they did in college and then go. 'cause you're not learning anything. I not learning anything about entrepreneurship with college. Anything right what did I do. I finished school. I don't have a marketing. Degree considered one of the best direct response marketers in our industry marketing. I don't hear the brawn James Lebron James of email marketing direct response period. That's it I'm saying I'm saying Late that Lewis. Here's the thing I'm going to give Josh Bony Your Your partner. Okay the credit for that because one day I asked him I go. Let's go on we. We hired some people not right and this and that try to help out Joel. Try to he says he says dude. I should have thought this through. He's like how the heck am I gonNa find another the Lebron James Copyright. I said. Yeah you're exactly right and none of them worked out all right so there you go right there. I mean this is a company that did one hundred million its first fricken year right. I mean that doesn't happen just for everyone so anyways I'm saying that. Because he is the Lebron James. That bro Aw. I don't even know what was going with. That was talking about the college. He talked to his son. Eleven thirty. Yeah Yeah Yeah right yeah. I don't the college in in a sense for anyone. Who's going into entrepreneur entrepreneurship just like your business degree or whatever? I don't have marketing Maryland. Business anything like I've learned by online online courses like education that I paid for that really help. Learn how to do this stuff how to ask you this how to start online business. There's no course the teachers do that. So of course it's that teaches you copywriting. There's no of course that even teach you networking the proper way of network was but there's not there's no court the teachers you affiliate marketing or like you don't have to spend money to save the time and the money and put it towards something. That's actually useful useful if entrepreneurship is the path right. You'RE GONNA take if it's not college will prepare you for the workforce but you just have to understand that like hey unprepared for you to go work for someone else to take you to figure out. He only needed six more credits. Take the whole hour. No no Oh. He didn't know that he didn't know that. Oh so you didn't. They said I had a meeting with a set of meetings with my whatever the academic advisor to tell them. That wasn't coming back back then. We figured I only need six more credits. Okay got it and I talked with Vince and he said he actually had a couple of things that he did before he was ready so needed like another perfect so I was like okay. Then go do it dad. Happy whatever US right at the end of the day you know what I mean. It's he gets to save evaluate. I started something and I finished it and then if it was a whole year would make no sense but vincent and a little bit of time to be able to give him the correct offer because he was intern for free. Events was covering its room board. But that's it and it but events that you know in order to start in this new role. In media pinned down computational. I need a little bit of time right so oh and ended up working fine. The same amount of time Vince needed as the same amount of time you had to go back but in that situation he was going to after. I had the phone call with him. He was one hundred percent on board with this. Not a smart move because you can lose the opportunity to. That's right in front. Yeah for what to go one the time time loss. Because it's not furthering you I said. How much further is that last year? Collagen you to where YOU WANNA be Zero Zion. You anywhere backwards because a lot of wasted time Yup and then financially speaking. It's just more money down the drain that you're paying right when you have a job here that you know you could be making six figures with within the next year right and then on from there you're gonNA learn so much from in that position. Yeah you'RE GONNA start in this other side business. That he has where he's from this whole experience he got a great idea idea for business. which was I don't know I told you this now? His idea for a business is hits us a successful internship with Vince. and Vince said Yeah. There's a a lot of people that have loved to have somebody like you. Who will work for them for free? Just cover room board or whatever so it was like I know a lot of people who would love to be those people those people right and so he started were He. Basically is a recruit recruiter of interns business owners. UNITA and INVINCI- mastermind undermined what she spoke at which Richard Smoke at. He said how many people would like to have somebody like me. Work for you for free. Right invents edified him until job and did hell nine or ten people up for five thousand dollars I will. I'll get you somebody forty grand grant or something like that to other people and then these kids are thrilled. Whoever comes here? That's the women we talked. There's the win win right. There's always the win win win win win. That's awesome killer. Yeah anyway that story. It's very applicable to what we're discussing in here is just a look for you Casey. And what you're doing. Why deviate off of path? That's really working for you with a lot of opportunity are there to get sidetracked on something that at the end of the day where it's going to do for you right. It's it's nothing more than what everyone else is doing. That's all it is you know and if you're just doing it because everyone else is doing it and it doesn't make any sense. Is the wrong reason. Well this is. This is the whole thing I always talk to my kids about is being the sheep or the Eagle and they're like the sheep of the Eagle the sheep the sheep are I. I'll be in on the interstate and I'm like okay now. This is not not legal. This is all perfectly legal. The interstate and I go. Do you see this whole line of traffic here that we're passing by. I want you to pay attention. See all this Yup okay passing. There's always one or two people on the phone. I don't care where you travel. There's always going to be one or two people on the phone. What's the worst thing that happens? Is I missed the exit. Okay it never happens but anyways I go okay so those are sheep all right now show you what Eagle do and I pass. I don't know how many hundreds of cars okay and get to the front because someone's always sleeping sleeping on their phone and and I didn't have to wait the traffic okay. That's an Eagle Eagle. Sees things differently than the sheep. Deep right in the sheep are who just follow in line because what does she do they follow in line and they all just follow each other like this is the way we're supposed to go. No the Eagle is gonNA find a way around that it's faster because that's just the way they think right so he came home. He came home with shoe one day and he goes dad look and he had this metal ring around his his time. My wedding ring when I go to work out. Because I've seen someone lose their finger from their wedding ring stainless ring so I take this off and I tied it on my shoe and so kind of weird how he sees that right so he put this ring around his shoe lace and tied it and it was made in school and he made in school and he goes down. Look at us and I looked on it and it's a little small arena says Eagle I said what all the kids say about that. He was in no idea what it meant. I had to tell him I go. And what did they say about it. They were like. Wow that's awesome so anyways he did that. Somebody Eagle. Don't be the sheet fall all online follow each other. The Eagle Soars out and finds another way in attacks. I love that. It's so the way to go. I agree it's funny because my brother. He's twenty five now and I've seen a lot of his friends have gone to college because I like speaking firsthand experience right. I've seen this happen in my life where it's like a lot of my brothers friends they'd go to school they get out and they're working at a job that doesn't require a degree because that's all that's available at that moment. And then everything they worked for doesn't add. Add up right I mean. Obviously there's a perk road and you get the job in new dream job but like I've seen firsthand from my my brothers in who's who he associated with. They're all working at a restaurant that they could have applied for and got the job prior to college without a degree. And I've seen that dozens of times and I'm like yeah. It's a scam. So I was telling only before I had probably eight or nine and my my buddies today still went to school at Liberty University. They're all sports management different majors psychology. I Love Sports. Sports Management Major. Guess how many people do anything in sports management out of nine guys who are sports ars management career zero literally not one of them all doing all of the ones sales over here once once you know doing owns a landscaping business like it sounds cool. Yeah like all sports management here in school to become sports agent or something like that never happens right. I mean it's if if you ask most people what they're doing and is it even related to what they majored in but like more probably like eighty percent of people are not even doing something in the in the line of work of what their degree is for legit stat is twelve percent. That go to college are and I said this on another podcast. Twelve percent are happy in their purpose of what they believe. Leave was what they originally set out to college. Well percent so out of one hundred percent. There's twelve percent that are being in a career that they felt felt like from the start was where they really belong and they're happy twelve percent that's crazy and that means eighty every hundred people are not either they found happiness and something else than what they thought in College. Because let's face it. Everyone's young I mean. If you on this forever you really GonNa Pin do the rest of your life. Eighteen years old man outside. When you've got clarity not like somebody like Casey does is different story but most of these most of these kids have no direction? I don't know what they want. Mom and DAD RIGHT THEY WANNA make them happy and you're going to college okay. I didn't know what I wanted to. I was twenty eight. You know eighteen years old crazy I know all right. Let's let's let's go. I WANNA get into this support part of the conversation so you started the podcast and you probably found out that man. This is one of the best relationship. Builders out there right universum you have live events which have have been really awesome for you and then he said are started podcast and then I get to sit it across from people and have conversations with them. Like we're like we're having today right learning more about your. We're talking for two hours already. Learning wave way more about. Oh you than I ever would at any event that we met at right. I'M NOT GONNA sit down at a live event and have a conversation for two hours with anybody right. It's just not enough time to many people. Put me in whatever so the podcast gets you just one on one with somebody in. It's definitely different type of conversation that can happen. You know somebody more intimately and how much after this conversation will. We be better friends right way. Different than even just going to an event and having short conversations assistance with people and meeting people that valuable but podcasts is a could be literally a very low cost way very very low cost weight. And I'll be done remotely if if needed to build your network and get people in June so I wanNA talk about Yup starting podcasts using podcast fasttrack trek relationships. Just tell me what the podcast start to start this conversation. How valuable has a podcast been for building relationships for you now? Absolutely I mean you're whoever's listening run a podcast hot just now right and so for me. The podcast December twenty second twenty seventeen and my goal with it to start. It was yes to build relationships but I I saw it as a platform to go deep on instagram. Everything's fast you can watch a quick video. You can see quick instagram story. But I wanted to truly build an audience of depth and also meet people bowl and have a deep conversation. PODCAST was that vehicle right and it's funny because at the time and and what I would say made me excited about it. Was I set up a meeting with Gary. We just on instagram. DMZ and I told him he was talking a lot about podcasting at the time. I was in the DMZ. Hey Man I just started podcasts. Love to have you on the show and Whoa like fifteen minutes. You said something like I'm trying to think of exactly verbatim sentence. It was like what does it take to get fifteen minutes of your time. He was done. That's all you had to say or something like that long story short. This meetings meetings like three months out and I made a golden myself to interview. I think it was forty people before I met Gary just to have a conversation to talk about with him saying hey gary I started the podcast when I interviewed forty people like that was my goal and show up and say yeah. Yeah Gary my first guest remember. I told you the started. PODCAST S. three months ago and This one so that was. That was my goal from me but but I say this because I think for me. It was like speed and execution right. I always tell people. I've interviewed one hundred plus people if academic interview one hundred people in one year or interview. One person a year for one hundred years. What's more valuable and we can get you closer to your goals? Hey right so for me. I started off. This is funny ready to say because like literally the microphone. That have my bag that I tried to record on today but I forgot this little. USB recorder it was one hundred dollar microphone Amazon that I bought the day before two days before Christmas in two thousand seventeen. Same Microphone that I've interviewed all of these top guys at my lead to anti for Selig Grant Card tone the small microphone and yes sometimes. We'll we'll use their studio equipment because it's better than that but I say that and I still say this because it's no excuses riley. I'll show up. I interviewed just last week. The owner of the Houston Rockets against him for Tita. He's worth five point. Two billion dollars on skype with one hundred dollar microphone and I started it in my bedroom. Seventeen in my bedroom in Virginia on that same microphone ACA found like nothing has changed except the people in the circle of influence right and I say this because in a NSA this because this just happened last week. Does the first billionaire interviewed. I started the podcast for to meet people right and it was more so to go in-depth with the people that are already had in my network but I didn't expect it to lead to interviewing billionaires. I just focus on what I had in a moment. I didn't I had. Yes a vision. But I think a lot of young people that maybe listen to podcasts. Or maybe thinking about starting one the euro what your current assets are right now. Really I didn't know you when I first started my podcast and I would have loved to have you on. But that wasn't the current state of where I was. I had people in my life so damn Fleishman or good friends of mine. That are big on Youtube Urban. I utilize the resources that I already had and that allowed me to execute quickly and I think for me. That was an advantage where I could do one week. Four interviews because I had four friends that a call and be like. Hey Man let's chat for thirty minutes forty five minutes on this show and let me just ask you some questions that I haven't asked you before on my podcast. A lot of people agreed and said yes. Because I've already had the report with them but I it's it's sparring something much bigger where I started to figure out and I think it's a it's the timing of it is key of like for example. Someone like grandma tone or or even like someone like yourself. What does it take to spend two hours with you? A platform and MIA have an audience. That's going back to the beginning liver value. I that was my value to all of these massively successful people have a have audience. I have his brand have his reputation and I can get your message on my platform so therefore there's value there so I understood that and I see all these people well doing different pod Decima. Okay now I want to start getting some bigger names and getting into these bigger circle so after I got forty fifty interviews under my belt I had the the confidence the right questions in the right way to interview. Someone I got better at the craft I was like I started to think bigger like okay. Who Can I get in the show? who can reach out to? Who Can I who? I have my network that no so on that. I'd love to get on my show that could potentially do it but back to the question. It became something that happened so fast with relationships interviewed forty people within less than three months before that meeting with Gary V and it was anyone from podcasters to musicians to athletes to entrepreneurs mainly business people to start. But I I it's it's opened upmeyer Network to a variety of different people that have given me so much opportunity in access were in so many different industries. I now know someone from podcast. I did with them or they'll recommend commander they're buddies. That would like to podcasts as well. And it's more so a conversation starter if you meet someone and you want to spend more time with them. It's allowed me to sit down for two hours with someone that I've made a just man and event and say hey man love to have you on my podcast and then we schedule it and get actually get to know each other and I say this every young person like focused on building an audience. But but if you start a podcast whether that's interview your friends or people in your network to start it's a platform that you can literally leverage to your vantage to build relationships and I think the most important one thing from this and I'll tell a story to so familiar with drama from young and reckless drama. He's now my business partner but I interviewed him. It was in February twenty eighteen. He was one of the the one of the first forty interviews. I did ideas them. One time it was. Hey Man I responded to one of his instagram stories. And this is like the the process in terms of execution of where I see the value in podcast I use it from a business building perspective. So DM drama. I get him my podcast and he agreed to an audience which is something very important to know because if I have have no audience no reputation no content. Chances are Joel. Wouldn't agree to your podcast right. It's the positioning that you you walk in these people's DMZ literally. I consider damage knocking on the front door and once they answer you either. You're you're looking sharp and you have your you're holding yourself accountable for you or you. You have one shoe on and your shirts but you have to build that brand online before you approach someone to be on your show because it's your authentic perception that they'll see an instantly make a decision on so long story short I get draw my show and then he says yes. We do this. We do the interview on skype. which is something? I like to do more in person stuff now because it truly you get that death of people people show and the next time I'm in La. I we have a different podcast. Bill Empire PODCASTS. which is something we just started to interview people? My partners will interview people but I am in L. A. and I'm like hey we have other podcast which is a resource that we could utilize. Now I'd love to do an in person interview with you. Would you be down his love to do do it. So I. That's approaching it with value audience of one and a half million followers on their go. There do the podcast with him again. First Time we met in person super important and we make like this and it was like a neon sign in his office. And I was like do that. So sickly where'd you get. I want to get one. He was like I'll make a deal with you. What's one of your goals? And it was to move out West after a graduate high school. He says once you do that I'll buy you assign and ship it to wherever you live and I say that because my first interaction withdrawal the podcast and then I'm in his office we're building rapport. Her then I invite him to speak of my event and this kind of go back in a second but he says no. The first time can't make second time he flies out to Arizona speaks at the event sees sees like the vibe of what we've created two weeks later. He texts me he says. Hey Man loved the event. I'd be interested in doing a vet with you in partnering and seeing what we could create together because that like the young audience that you had your event so long sort of district people listening drama someone that he was on. MTV Shows Robin Big Robert X.. Fantasy factory I watched him on. TV v growing up and just to have in. My podcast was a massive opportunity for me. But it's the stepping stones at the podcast gave me as a resource and as a tool that took him from being being on the podcast to then being on another podcast and then speaking at my event to him getting involved with what I'm doing to then having a event with him back in May and our next one's October twelfth. But it's I use the podcasts as a business builder more so from relationships but figuring out how I can utilize these relationships and for him it was partnering and doing an event together and utilizing his network doc in mind and cultivating this cool experience. But I say that because the question itself I think the podcast only valuable if you make available to you right interview one hundred people talk to them but when we hang up the SKYPE skype call like is that the last time we're going to speak with him ever is the last time you're going to see them and hear from them or build with them like for me back to the beginning of this this podcast. We talked about the value of relationships. Like I understand every person I interview or talk to you. I want to figure out how I can utilize whether that's the people in my life or the resources how can I bring value to to them. So I can keep showing up in their life and being a valuable asset to them. Whether that's a little thing or big thing like having an event with them whatever it is for me it came down to the people whereas if you're starting a podcast figure out your goal is to just talk about yourself and put out content on what you've learned throughout your journey or is it to interview people. I think there's mass. There's the two different roads because for me a super important point as well that we spoke briefly earlier was for me approaching these people with not too much credibility it came came down to putting them on the pedestal. And not talking about myself right like getting their story out there and making it about them and not doing it to talk about me right like when I asked when I do interviews. I make sure I spend more time listening than asking questions and make sure you take the conversation where needs to go but I I think podcasting some of this question is it's valuable valuable. If you make a valuable but understand why you're doing well we can get into how how you start it in the access and resources you lies but for me. It's something that I started but I utilize the resources that I the had at my fingertips then and now and executed on them instantly. I I wasn't waiting for that perfect interview for that perfect I interview. I just started recording on my apple headphones. One hundred dollar microphone putting it on. I tuned in spotify. Not not over thinking it but executing on it and is putting out out content. And that's that's been the biggest advantage for me is not procrastinating and focusing on the instant execution knock knock the podcast opens the door. Yeah that's really what happens for him. I've met somebody amazing people to this. podcast me too the easy. It's an easy way to add value especially when you have an audience right without a podcast. I've add value in otherwise sure of course but you no. It's it's an easy easy way because everyone's looking for somebody else audience all time always so you a couple of things that he said there will move onto Samore goal deeper in this but you said so many people get hung up like. Oh it's perfect right like how I'm I'm I'm not gonNA start because I don't really know him doing yet. Or whatever right and Saute. Hey just just be reckless and put out garbage but it's so just put it out there. Put something out there. Maybe the first first episode recorded Solo episode. Or whatever or you have a guest who maybe is not Gary v but you know no. It's at somebody else who's a friend of yours. Internet practice right so you get feedback right. Accurate practices and get feedback. See how does right all all those types of things I I love it you just incident-packed choose takeaway here is just get started and then figure it out. Along the way you're you're going to end up getting into where you ultimately want to go so much faster even if you make a bunch of mistakes in the beginning but you optimally because you're moving right right you're moving and an then maybe it's a little bit slower at first but then you're gonna get catch momentum and get their instead if like odd. It's got to be perfect the way I'm not ready yet. I don't have big enough platform. Armato have any followers. WHO's GONNA listen this podcast? Whatever if all these reasons to convince you why not to instead of just starting and then letting it grow and becoming better and fine tuning and perfecting craft that that comes by starting you have to start you can't just say what have XYZ in place? Then and I will everybody. Yeah like I'm not ready at once on what's on. No you know ever ready right. Don't ever imagine if somebody said not quite ready to be apparent yet so just put that baby. That's cooking on hold. Yeah guess what pops out and you figure it out that's right Erin frigging frigging figures it out. You know people who've been parents it's one of the hardest jobs in the world and to do it right just how many people have been successful parents though who were not ready when when the baby popped out. Guess what a learned you figure it out. Lean on other people for support right in the middle of something. That's the thing. People don't put themselves in uncomfortable situations wasted because they're scared yet but once you're in the middle of something then you say well I'm in the middle of I need to figure this out so let me call somebody s question. Let me lean on this resource that I have no. I don't don't have it off favorite out but let me Ping Network. Let me let me ask somebody else for help. You know whatever it is you will figure it out if you put yourself in. Your back is up against the wall going to figure out how to get out of that position right. You're in the middle. So you surrounded you know. You got a bunch of different rabid coyotes around you get Ian Live or you're gonNA figure it out myself out right You know you gotTa sometimes you put yourself in situations that are important. Were at the the end of whatever it is that you know you're trying to accomplish is so important to you that you just gotTa jump in diving head first and then figure it out along the way right and I love that. That's something that's three to say that and realize that especially at Your Age is commendable people again again. There's loads of people who are listening to this in the thirties forties fifties and beyond to. That's a lesson you're still waiting until everything's perfect waiting for the perfect time to do X.. And it can be as simple as in relationships. While I was waiting wasn't the right time I wanted to express how I felt about that person on his but it wasn't right time lover may never be the right time and the perfect time. Yeah Yeah and then and then exactly then you'll look back and say I wish I would have done on. That said that we should cultivate that relationship. More sort of gave myself a shot at doing that thing. That was you know that burning dream that my the AH was constantly recurring my mind that I never gave myself a chance to see if I could do it if I like to. Work it out to be in that position right so take-home just get started. Just get started and trust me. You're more capable and think you are so you mentioned that you had a a platform and an audience already so it was easier to get detention of tightrope has or had these relations. Let's say someone's true just starting out right Garron this podcast. The listen to this and they're motivated. They're like I I'm passionate. I WANNA build my network. I like the idea of using a podcast but where I'm at right now. Let's be real. I don't really have a platform right. Just people who started there and build it successfully right networking. It's just takes one connection than to move onto the next and the next right so for somebody who is starting and they don't have a large audience in place. What would you say to for them? How do you get guests on your show? How do you get Saudis year? Maybe you're not going for the Gary v as the first one though right you're just creating some momentum with some other professionals does maybe even local people that you'd like to network with. Let's let's say. Local people were on on social media. Or whatever get your take on all this in a minute but it. There's just an idea let's just say you have other people say you're in the health business interview Frickin. Chiropractor who's for your health. PODCAST Tuesday local guy. Who would like to to know that you have zero downloads? You know they don't know that practice Pratt's lockhart practice say pockets. That sounds great. They'll know the difference in again as your as your podcast gets momentum. Guess what people go back and listen to those episodes so there's still value for them in it right but I it's there's new can start with even local people but go ahead so somebody who's who's just starting and they're like I don't really have a huge audience right now. How can I gues- you know guest on my show or not again? It doesn't have to be the biggest out there but just just get quality gas. Yes Yup nationals. Who can add value that I get that question? I would say more often than not designed instagram and people. Ask Me that have shows and I think there's there's two ways to look at it number one I. I think you should use the fact that you're just getting started to your advantage. Meaning what do you understand that America. You WanNa go into meaning. Who Do you want to interview just entrepreneurs at athletes like chiropractors? chiropractors would ever use it to your vantage. Because you don't want to have the best person as your number one because you're just getting started you don't have to perfect the craft. I think my first episodes were probably not the best when it comes down to the questions asking the flow. Nobody right so I was able to learn so much oprah all right eh one of those things that as I look back on terms of like I literally interviewed some my good friends that were just getting started and it was like to seventeen eighteen year. Old entrepreneurs like mean I interviewed Kayla was the first person interview and that was like the relationship that I've been building for two years and I just you know he was someone that I know. He would do it but he has something to talk about. You know he either has thousand audience or maybe he doesn't and maybe you're listening right now and you're like okay I have this. I'm starting a podcast. I have no audience and no reputation. But maybe you know of someone whether that's a good friend or someone that you could reach out to. That doesn't have a massive following. Would see it makes you go there with value and also to your advantage unlike youtube or instagram. No the only sees how many downloads you get on a podcast. When you go to itunes? It's not like they can see. This person has a million you get zero. Use that to your advantage and drama tells tells me this all the time he's like dude you can literally once you interview someone no one really knows your downloads and you can use that as like you don't have to worry about that number one but number to it's all you haven't always hey don't bring it up if exactly exactly you have good cover a good name and branding your outreaches outreaches good and depending how you ask you. You don't want to reach out to someone and say man you're starting this podcast. I'm not really good at it and I don't really have anyone that would do it. Would you want to be the person that would like to make sure every single person you approach you. Approach them like nobody's home like approach. Everyone like the like the top dog. You'd want to have on your show number one. Even all my good friends I would send them a message that I'm starting this jazz. It's going to be the best business bike as in the game I'd love to have how'd you as the I ten. I guess so that as becomes the biggest podcasts in the business space that you will be like the top ten original original cast reality our first five ten episodes or most downloaded everyone franken goes back because tell them to start on more in tune initially. Just listen to number three. Yes yeah and it just keeps on going on in order I. It's it's a definite. The early ones were the most listened to but I would say one hundred percent agree with that too because I even have people that will listen to respect. I think to like utilize. What you currently certainly have? Don't over think it. I think that's the most important thing right. If you have even if for example if your brother someone I if you want to interview business people obviously want to have someone that has a company or some type of success success on your show but don't go after the big names I started. I tell people all the time but also what you say. Okay I've done. Maybe you've done ten interviews of just people that you already know before you go go for the guy you want like for example story about I WANNA get grandparent on my show. Before I had drink down I was like okay. Grant had next growth gone. He had Bradley. Speak yet. And your cell phone Ed. My leg he had all these different people speak as I was like. How can I get people in his circle on my show that maybe someone has the smaller audience that they're more easy to get in contact with them on my show? I had never sell Bradley and those were massive names. Well but once I did that I reached out to grant said. Hey it just had Ed Andy and Brad show wanted to ten X.. Growth gone last year absolutely loved it. Would it take to have you on my podcast and I approached with value of A. I've bought a ticket went to his event be. I've interviewed colleagues of his that he's familiar with so therefore that gives them a better impression of who I am and the people viewed so it's more so insane reason if someone's listening learning if if you have a best friend and this hey man I just met this guy you should meet him. You're instantly more likely to like that person because you're getting hey your best friend is introducing them right so same sort of concept of like start getting around or starting to try to interview the people that are associated with the people that you want to have one day as the big guess but start start small. Start with the people that you currently have network and don't ever think it you know it's like start getting focused on the next interview ahead right. 'cause if you would've told me hey once you you back to your point of like we sat in our podcast. You said if you have a hammer and you're trying to break stone. And after seventy seven heads on the seventy eighth hit. There's your breakthrough if you would've told me Hake as if you do one hundred twenty three interviews and then since you have a good show an audience that your body will get the owner of the Houston Rockets on your show like that would motivate me to do it faster Mr but it happened that I got the total number two on my show by putting in those one hundred twenty three episodes prior that opportunity was provided it to me so the same sort of concept. We're just focused on the episode of Hand Number One number two because there's no speed to get one hundred focused on the things in between but start start small and like I said don't overcomplicate. I think the question itself people that are listening literally as you're listening to. I should do right when you finish this. PODCAST is reach out to someone that Oh you already have a relationship with and ask them to be on your show and if you haven't started it we'll get into the hottest artist and the platforms to us but just start small and start asking do it a value you you know. Don't don't try to just say. Hey man come on my show and like I need you as my first guest because no one else will. Do it like coach with value and be genuinely genuinely be be interested. In having that conversation it goes back to the foundations of one of my favorite books how to win friends and influence people. Like if you're not genuinely interested in that other person and you're just going to try to fill the spot 'cause they'd say yes like it's not worth their time is worth your time like be genuinely interested in other people and I believe if you do that with gas it can become successful. If you don't work doc absolutely. Let's talk about the technical side. Somebody's listening to say all right. I really feel you know getting a check him. You know in my spirit that this is something to do. You know this is this is I feel call too. Have A podcast. I feel like this. This could be a big way from to create relationships. I WANNA I wanNA give us a dell. I want to establish myself as an authority PODCAST I see the value but I don't really know where to start right. So let's say let's just go to where the simplest most cost effective active ways to get started both to remote podcasts and start with remote podcasts which which are easy. You don't have to have somebody in person you can do. You can do unlimited person but more than likely you know you have the world at your fingertips over the Internet right. Yeah you guessed. WHO's in China right now on a podcast over the Internet? So let's talk about. I want to start a podcast and I wanted to be a remote interview show. How did they do that? So I would say the number one saying in terms of like getting a podcast on itunes and spotify even have access to upload you need to do one thing and that is find a hosting platform and I'll just kind of Brigham to the steps find the hosting platform that you can host your show on. So I use a platform called spreaker and it's S. P. R. E. A. K. E. R. Speaker Dot Com and. It's a platform where you can upload and your title your description and your first audio file once you do that you have to submit it to itunes in spotify in soundcloud and all these different services but that's step one to even thinking thinking about having a podcast is creating the show having the name having the title having the cover and this is just like foundational things you must do if you want to have a show and maybe people have already done this. Move on but that's number one speaker dot com. That's what I use. I recommend it because I've just I've used that so definitely check that out but in terms of the technical in terms of doing an interview with someone over the Internet so when I started doing those to start using skype and zoom and I. I never tried to overcomplicate it. Because you can legs eggs you can Screen record. You can audio record on skype that would probably be the one I'd recommend in zoom for shores. Well it just depends on whatever would work best with the person if they don't have zoom out skype but those are very easy to do and if people haven't used them like there's oriels on Youtube that you can say how to use skype or how. How do an interview on skype and literally walk you through in three minutes simple? It's something that I I use Google as my college degree right. You can google anything and find a valid resource and figure out the answer if you do. You're digging so I think thinks skype and zoom or super super easy to do you can get the content. You can record the audio actually. See them face to face. That's what I'd recommend anybody is like there's different audio audio only platforms where you can just send this Lincoln Il record your audio and their audio. But you don't get to see 'em but I think the face to face in like actually having a visual representation of them actually adds I just to it and I would definitely I would say zooms Sir popular. He's mentioned skype. Even few something like zoom. I mean you get the cheapest pack there just yeah fourteen bucks a month or something like that yeah those are good. Those are good on in his straightforward. Make sure you have a good Internet connection because we've been through through that before for sure but then what you can get to the point where you can do them in person high. I mean highly recommended. Obviously that's what we're doing but it's that's that's the difference you know it's like once you can get it to that level of traveling somewhere meeting up with someone in the studio to do it in person. That's what I believe cannot evaluate going to events right because one event that I was speaking that Tim Grover was also speaking at Amanda Bucci. was there bazars colon. My long term friend he happened to be speaking. At the same event cried. Balentine was hosting the event. So I go there and we record with Tim Grover record with Amanda over record with bedrose and record with Craig in the same scheduled time conference room. I'm at the hotel. And so it's a great way unit and you can even let's say he added Nevada's won't be some important people they're networking with people and they don't have to be the speakers seekers were on stage and other business owners whatever and especially if you're just starting with hey can i. Can I grab you fifteen minutes and we'll just do content rich podcast on XYZ topic topic. You know doesn't have to be the life story like you know we do this and you make them feel like a rockstar right. Yeah it's like fifteen fifteen minutes we'll record. Ah You know. PODCAST is growing. We're X. number of episodes in and and you can probably get just going to live event. Get five or six PODCASTS. Done that you totally 'cause always always all the connections are going to be there already and it's a great way to him in person to they don't have to be super long just like for example if I was at an event and let's say I was just this can started. I was nobody. In cases there come up to Casey and I'd say that's the case was another attendee there and say hey start. His pockets were like fifteen episodes in growing growing. Don't WanNa take much time but I got a little conference room over here or just come to my frigging hotel room right here in a hotel room. Anyway this record at my desk and I say Casey can you would just do it. Fifteen minutes ten to fifteen minutes on. How do you social media media to build your brand? He's like for expert at that. So yeah sure. Let's talk about that shot on that one hundred times the people not recorded so muzzle recorded. Hey Hey in front of some new audiences right so simple simple ways. Pick a topic that somebody is an expert and just hit him up on that that to Nixon. Smith's DASA We met event. I'm like hey man I'll be in town tomorrow. I got this room downstairs. We can use sue the pot Jackson. Literally that that's a nick connected. And then we the whole day and his we built a good relationship. So it's like I would say that's how this major key and then you can record intro thereby your bio and all that here's a time-saving way for somebody who's on a time crunch right for us to sit down with through our intro. Introduce the person to their bio and all that and we kinda can you know have some banter back and forth as part of our intro right. But let's say you WANNA get content. Not The person I don't take more than ten minutes of your time. So record that bio and tell everybody who is record that separately on your own and then have somebody at the audio files together and then boom like now. It's a twenty minute episode. But it's only record our ten minutes that person's time Yup absolutely all right so that's record remotely zoom or skype. If they're going to be doing in person Ersan kind of simple low cost equipment canoes. Yes I mean I've utilized on the Blue Yeti microphone. It's like one hundred hundred fifty bucks depending on which one you get. But it's something that you can record on both sides of it so it's good for interviews and I've I've personally loved it if you sit in a good area where it's like. A table was actually like the butcher elbows on it. And it's a good place. I love that microphone literally in its USB. Mike you plug it into your laptop you put a megaphone click. Start and you're good to go. It doesn't require any massive maintenance so I could do it on the beach or conference room. I can do whatever and I. It's it's easily portable so I can put it in a backpack enrolled. That's why I like it because I never microphone anywhere anywhere so many times where I run into someone and you're like man. I wish I had that happened once and I never. I'll never forget so. So it's like I I use the microphone. And then just plug right into my macbook. And then I'm good to go. So that's I I make sure it's very convenient for me but I do like the one we're using now. I WANNA WANNA get more professional high end high audio style but for me personally I just utilized as simple Yeti and it's always been great for audio and then I'll record the intro on a separate one and combine like that and it's easy to do hundred bucks super high end couple hundred bucks right here right now. I mean just literally you can and be up and going for not much money less than a hundred bucks really if you if you wanted to zoom or whatever not fourteen ninety five a month or whatever and then you know you're spreaker subscription which gets low on one on that. I mean tall total for like less than thirty bucks a month. And and if you need to cancel some other services not moving forward like downgrade to basic cable or something for a little bit right. There's ways that you can find another thirty dollars a month. I'll tell there's not going to eat like one last time. And then you've got an extra hundred bucks cutouts. I even recorded one time on individual individual podcasts. On the voice memos on an iphone or apple headphones the chords you can talk into the mic. I've recorded stuff on that one. I just had something to say. Never recorded it. Obviously the audio wasn't the best but it was like I had something to say so therefore I didn't have my microphone at the time. So the no excuses you know you can record it on on your phone it can be okay okay decent audio but wait until the perfect moment or the perfect audio equipment or to save up for six months to buy that a microphone equipment to start because your time great fifty years the Apollo Mission of landing on the moon one small step for man if you heard that audio yeah okay. It ain't nothing but guess what no one cares because it's amazing that's all I need to say okay Yeah really yeah everyone. Everyone knows that since day for always always complaining about the audio exactly. It's all about the content. I form us about the content. Shore you you you wanted to be quality you want. You don't want it to be like imponderable. How many times I've heard starring podcast? Yeah what do you like okay. That's awesome what are you. What are you save up to buy that best audio equipment out there or whatever Komo news even even this even this was like three hundred bucks? Are you ready for this to got the walls painted right now putting the soundboards up. What are you doing and literally building rooms for this? So then you gotta own my Gosh. I'm like okay. Should go there right now. Seven seven downloads. You know because there was so much time and money invested in the stuff. That doesn't matter that they're not focused on the content or building their platform so that it actually gets in front one of a an audience or it's just guys. It's not about the equipment it's not even it's not about even having the most pristine audio quality. It's it's about good content just getting started perfected as you go okay and you can get started really cheap less than one hundred bucks startup cost and then a minimal animal monthly charge for zoom and spreaker order. You can Lipson or D. loose south whatever. There's there's plenty different ones John's but just use use worked for you. I use Lipson There's there's Many they do to us. That's again the essential cheap. It's like less than thirty dollars. There's a month all in two two record over either. Zoom or skype is probably free Seattle. Yes right so amount SKYPE IS I. Don't want people bother me all day so I just don't use it. Yeah but but yeah I mean skype. You have a free version. You only Ostra high-tech fifteen dollars a month right. Yeah all right So Oh that's technical side how to start. Give please guys realize the value of podcasts. If you're thinking that man I really want to build a brand had. I really wanted to build a personal brand. I really want to increase my network build relationships all this. I want to do something other than what I'm doing right now. I want to network with these guys and then I'm listening to all this stuff. Maybe I WANNA be on cases podcast one day or born impact or whatever. That's what when Casey I started doc and he's been guests on numerous podcast his man if I can only be beyond that podcast well guess what you started. You got guest after guest after guest next thing you know. He's being being interviewed. He's on Brigham. Born impact visor. It's right yeah I mean it's you can leap frog into world that you never even thought that you would have access to or belong to faster than you think. I've been on social media for a little over a year. Now I've they've networked my way with most of all the top guys who are in entrepreneurs based on the personal development space simply through depart gas as a made mechanism of doing that. Unfortunately I run large business. I have some street credit. You know as a little bit easier for me but at the same time. Like I don't know anybody when I was a schoolteacher share this many times turn off the top twenty on click bank the digital marketplace where everyone sells e books and no one person on that list. I didn't know someone who knew someone sure I wasn't even like Kevin Bacon removed from it. You know I wasn't even anywhere close to knowing who these people are. I'm cold emailing support tests and stuff. I'm just I'm just finding ways to get to people and add value to them. You and then next thing you know the very first guy connected with impersonal was might geary the WHO is now a member of my mastermind of Mike. Gary was the number one guy in the industry. His his Alexa rank on Traffic Ryan was like he's up there ranked with some of the top sites in the world. Michael my my website was like a right four million something at the time and then I go and has it's like number eight hundred eighty eight on the Internet on my top one thousand. The Internet for blew my mind. That's the first guy connected with found out. He lived ten minutes from me. They had no idea literally no idea. I found that he lived ten minutes from me and we end up meeting up for beer. He gave me a couple of hours of his time. And the next thing you know he liked me I showed up. I added value. I did a couple things of what I could do for him. He liked me and then he's like. Hey next weekend. I'm going up to New York City. Vince del Montes Thirtieth Birthday Party. You WanNA come. I'll drive you can drive up with me. I'm like why am I going to you know they're like yeah. Yeah I'm like I it's very surreal to me. Share all these guys are my boys now you know but very surreal to me that like one minute ago. Oh I didn't know anyone was and next thing you know by despite protein things the right way. That's where I met as well Dallas Radios. No one of our mastermind members one of our biggest affiliates sends sends. We've done so much business together Dr K. Cream Vince was obviously there. Four or five other people have become great friends of mine and and that was like literally within giving them one connection. Next thing you know like I'm getting to know a lot more people. You accidentally hit a home run off. It can snowball stuff can snowball if you show up the right way as is obvious by you. Know what you've accomplished at such a young age network your way. Oh Oh speaker will you be on my podcast. You know no no okay. Yeah yes finally persistent some sometimes you you gotta ask people many times. I've had I've had numerous people. Tell me that's not the time for me. It's a no for right now right. It's any time I hear now. It's always it's a no for now right. It's never know that's it. No I will not be on your podcast. There's no one that's not anyone's ever saying if you ask them and you get a no it's like okay. I gotTa do some more work. I have to network my way with other people that they are familiar with and feel comfortable with and say oh so and so's been on so and so's I've been on so and so's been on. Okay it'll be on now you know we're just not going to be the one that says like I don't know I'm not comfortable. I had to protect my time. No you you know and you're GONNA get a no but if you're persistent and you work your way into other circles two years ago I wanted to connect with some of the large larger pastors in. You know big churches in the United States. I guy was Guy Carlin's in New York City the Carl One of our instructors in our mastermind now. Okay I didn't know him at all. I guessed his email address. I literally guessed his email address. I was like ours. There's only so many ways to go first initial last name first name dot last name. I tried all these variations. Sent out four five and four bounced and one one of them didn't bounce so I'm like must've been at two days later guy gets back to me puts me on a on a call. His right hand guy. Just Green me which you know would would you be on the phone with anybody. I was like this guy seems really awesome from the email but can you just make sure he is normal. All right next thing you know. They invited me out to New York City to hang out. You don't match took me under their wing with some of these new projects that I was doing that or more faith based and and then I got connected with numerous other Brian Johnson on the podcast and numerous other than and Danny salt from Bethel Church and our McManus. And you know how easy it is for me to get other pastors. Now I'm like Oh Carl's truck during my masterminds. I've had Brian by so and so on the podcast and reach somebody else. And they're like. Oh yeah those are all my friends. What are they GONNA do call? Joel Marian texting me right. Guess what and I know this. Because I've talked to a head once chatfield. Chad's a the pastor out in L. A. Trade Tie guy and I had reached out to him on Instagram and I mentioned coral and some of the other guys I was associated with and I know that I just the natural thing. If someone said mentioned someone else's name I'm GonNa pin them right so I'm not gonNA put out anybody's name more. I'm not really comfortable. They're going to say a good things about me. I mentioned Karl. He must have Pancaro because when I met him lunch. She's like dude. Carl loves you. His Carl frigging loves you dude. Who's like so so you know when I heard that from Carl I was like I meet up with you? And you're in town you know so. Let's just go show up. Create one connection and then use that as leverage for correctness has a tight network. Yeah exactly exactly all these guys are friends right now. You can become part of the circle if you show up the right way EH. This is awesome. Love all the information about starting podcast. Why someone would do it? If you're thinking about it you got some tax banks to start with if you know if you learned something from this and if you know somebody who learned something from us we would covet you doing one thing and that is to please share the episode so the bonus pay is pledged pledged that if you got value from this episode. Tetley's one person Casey. We're going to give you an opportunity to where can people get more view. They spent spent some time. Listen to this awesome episode. They got a lot of value intrigued by you. They're like we're going to get more. Casey were they going to go after this. Yeah so I'll speak on just this revenue with podcasting so podcast and we didn't really mention it. It's called rise of the young and that's on any I tuned spotify soundcloud and that's again rise of the young and I spent a lot of time there so I definitely would say definitely check that out. If you WANNA get an in-depth sense of what I do and more so get to know me. Definitely there on the on the podcast and and then instagram at Adams one on instagram. And you'll find me on there. I'm verified have about two hundred thousand on there so they'll just find my legit profile. Follow me on there. That's where I post is a lot of the events that I'm doing the interviews and some more in depth content of things. I'm going through and just put out valuable content on their stories and then something just I want to end on this note. Because it's it's our and ask you a question to of Tik Tok. Are you guys familiar with that. No anybody about it tick tock. It's an APP that you want to know why why because we're not nineteen so let us know. Get ahead so tick Tock Tick Tock recently and I tell people about this because it's super cutting edge so the company they're Vyas Ayas seventy five billion dollars there from China. They have eight hundred million monthly active users. And it's like the the next version of vine and I say this because I went to their corporate office about about three weeks ago in L. A. and I'm just key Adams on tick tock I have like three thousand followers nothing massive at all but Couple of my videos have half a million million views already and it's the platform is so young and it's something that if you're listening right now it's it's kind of hard now to start an instagram gain. Hundred thousand dollars in a month in a year a year and unless you have a behind it. You're right exactly. We were talking about this before. Is that unfortunately the platforms. That are the biggest. Are you had to be almost right with the reach on facebook now. Do you have a million a million plus no so and they just announced that there's like all kinds of crackdowns going on the music and the White House through the day but all I know is yeah so eating new is amazing. Ah I say that because it's important if someone's listening they're getting started but yes beyond instagram. Build a brand there. Start a podcast by tick. Tock is something that I was. I was at the corporate office in there. There's only twenty six million active users in the US. The rest of them are in China and India and all over the world. But it's something that like even just from an entrepreneur perspective Gary v got and take dockings. I say that because he's talking a lot about he got on there about a month and a half ago thousand followers he's at seven hundred thousand followers already just from organic content and there's so many updates coming out with like traffic monetization things that are happening there so I say this to say if you're not on Tick Tock definitely follow me on their talk a lot about it on instagram. I made a podcast about it. Caught God are you missing the new wave of tick tock and it's something to to pay attention to because there's so much is organic reach. You can get like literally I had twenty followers of just my friends that are on. They're one of my. I like five. Got One hundred thousand views just because like the traction of little random stuff. I'm not testing alive but I wanted to make sure I say that because it's something that if if you could have been on instagram in two thousand thirteen starting to build your brand you'd be way farther ahead than if you start today and with the difference those algorithms and everything happening so definitely elite. Check out to talk and I'll show you guys a little bit about it because it's super interesting super easy to grow an audience if you just stay committed to it and be consistent. But we'll try the really that's awesome for sure all right so you're gonNA follow as accuracy Adams on talk your checkup Abdallah. That and you can follow Casey Casey the Atoms Casey Adams one on instagram. And the rise of the young podcast. Those are three major places that you can go and you can get more Casey. You can learn more. You can get plugged in. Maybe you can attend one of his events and get to meet him the next to be the next success story of saying hey heard Casey. I was a nobody at the time and and decided to follow in his footsteps. Recreate his success from everything that I learned about what he did. In the live events end up going to one in cases like events meeting them in person. Then I had Casey podcast and then I got connected with all his other friends live events. I always tell people like that's where I truly like to build in relationships with people and it gives me that that in person connection and what we're doing one in October be like five hundred people there but it's like five hundred people in event versus five hundred license Graham. Some people get that and they're like oh five hundred hundred dollars in a discredited that you know like sure every person you have listen to your show every person that follows you treat them like an imprisoned connection because that's what you want them to A. B. Versus five hundred people in a room is. That's a crowded room right so I wanNA touch on this too because they don't get discredited by the numbers to start right. You just want to execute and and focus on building your brand because it is. It's a long term game. It's not something that you expect to happen overnight to grow. It's definitely something I want. People to understand for sure. Solid Solid Aric is The super impactful episode. Thank you for taking the time to listen get out there. Start impacting the world around you. You Heard Casey story for thinking about starting a podcast. If you thinking about at all my suggestion case suggestion to you just be get started. Okay we gave some really simple ways low cost rates as you can get started. This has been the treat to have you Casey. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Case evalu- man. Thank you got. Yeah you'RE GONNA move a lot of people and there's a lot of people are the one percents right now because we're starting to see an increase in videos of people actually tagging themselves at Joel Marion on Instagram at Komo Dan. Long right now tag US tag. Casey Casey atoms one tag kimmel Daylong Tag. That Joel Marian take screen shot of you listening to this Charter in sperm story posted. However you want to social media share with a friend but if you tag us we'll likely see that and reshare it when this episode airs? Grateful for you guys listening until next. Next week we are going to have another awesome episode until then stay amazing mm-hmm.

Vince Gary instagram Casey Adams Arizona partner High School Eagle James Lebron James Richard intern tracey Adams Joel San Diego facebook Toronto Jack Crap Wash
Never Too Early or Too Late Part I, Feat. Casey Adams, with Joel Marion - BTI 57

Born to Impact

1:29:12 hr | 9 months ago

Never Too Early or Too Late Part I, Feat. Casey Adams, with Joel Marion - BTI 57

"If you will have the pen and you're gonNA write your life story you would never have it say. I'm GONNA have a nephew injury and it's going to take away my passion when I'm fifteen years old and I can't play sports anymore. No one would ever say that but then you look back and you say if it weren't for that I wouldn't have this amazingness that's going on now right. It's like God knows better than we do. He knows does that like You're going to get really wrapped up in the sports thing. But I have a much bigger plan for your life much in front of people I want you on stages once you impacting people. Social Media's podcast and now wants to do in and out of young age I want you to show people what's possible as a teenager and the realm of entrepreneurship and how you can impact people bid. God put that there because he believe in you enough enough you're GONNA come out of it and treat this amazing this on the other side and the greatness that you've walked into all right what is up guys. Welcome back to another amazing episode of the born to impact podcast. Dan Aka kilmore long. What's up what's happening brother? You know what. Hey we got a little fall in the airmen all in their eighty Lisa then it is September Momo recording this episode anyway it's September and you get a little break from the heat today Ed here in Tampa Florida. Everybody out there you know humidity is off the hook and right now that we now that I've gotten travel some pretty amazing get spoiled. There are some amazing weather out there. Wyoming Hey shut out to you because right now I know it's amazing they're California it's always amazing right. There's some great places out there in California next week be awesome. Yeah our guest. Today as in case I will Formerly introduce them in a minute but the weather like out by you and Phoenix right now. A A good one fourteen. The last three months coming out here good now most people listening would ask. Why would you move to a hundred degrees degrees? It's the pros and cons right like eight months out of the year to seventy shorts every day by his my first summer out there in Phoenix. I've been out there for a year now in the last three months have been brutal. But you know it's the same thing right if you're in Virginia you don't want to be outside for three months of the year because it's cold south pros and cons but overall I always say winters in Florida are are amazing. Summertime you just you stay in air conditioning or you know in the poll. A bucks game today no degree when he and exit one hundred five six. Yep So yeah. Dif- different strokes for different areas for sure but one fourteen man and I'll be honest. Well there's ninety eight or one fourteen pretty much same thing. You're not going outside happen is. You're not living outside anyway. Maybe maybe go outside to the for short short minute to walk from your car to the grocery store or something but apart from that All right well. We had amazing amazing episode. Planned today gentlemen. Sitting across from me his name is Casey Adams again. I'll introduce them formally in a moment as we always do he. He is a ripe age of nineteen years old and chrome some amazing things and entrepreneurship and hopefully light a fire under some people's buzz whether you're young listener you're going to hear you know maybe you your twenties. You're getting started with your career and trying to find your way into what's next and maybe case can inspire you because he's got a good head. Start on you even at nineteen years old. Not Maybe I know he can and I. I WanNa challenge everyone out there. I mean here I sit turned forty seven seven years old. I want to challenge you. If you're in your thirties forties fifties or sixties right. I want to challenge you to understand that. Hey would you look back and learn. I'm from a nineteen year old. Would you because I know I was twenty years old and I was managing people double my age and was a very rough road because they didn't know you're twenty years old I'm awesome. You don't know that that's what they look at me. And say meanwhile my actions right and my work ethic and everything had to shine through to make them realize I earn your respect act so I challenge everyone listening today. Don't look at his age. I want you to look at what he's done what he's accomplished since you're nineteen years old because it's incredible from what I already heard and I want to inspire those out there to realize no matter what age it is. Please learn from this gentleman because it's amazing what you've done and if you are older open your mind listen. Don't turn to podcast. Because nineteen listen to the greatness of of what he's doing and what he continues to do and the goals that he set for himself. It's pretty incredible. Yes it's going to be inspirational episode and hopefully everyone will be open to receive it because it's going to be some knowledge for those star. Not There's GonNa be some knowledge for folks who are in the thick in the middle of their career who realized that Man I've like so many. Who would you speak to on this podcast? Just people who have settled into something where the filled right here is young man who is is operating and making an impact and his very very fulfilled by the career path. That he's going down so it's never too early too late. To start is testament has never too early for sure and no matter where you're at in your life journey you can always give of it. Yeah and I just learned that has better than us. We have the best iphone on the market and it has a better phone. How the heck is that? He had traveled across the world to go over there and finding China's got his way beat right there smoking us. And you just zoomed in on this camera and showed me this spy-camera like that's incredible fifty the times zoom right. But that's the kind of stuff that I would have never. You're nineteen years old. I learned that from you know there was a better phone. Hey so that's kind of cool stuff that's out there guys just remember. We're open your mind to it right because the innovators of our world are the ones that are not stuck in your ways learn Yep right all right reminder this podcast is freed freed is free. You know listen every week. Hopefully if you just found us you'll be become listener taking that away. It's not free anymore. It's not free. We're asking you to go tell somebody so if you go tell somebody that's not free 'cause obligation don't just listen to for free because guess what if you can't even take Theakston step to go share the podcast. Somebody else can benefit from it. Are you really going to be doing much the information that we have. You can't take action on the simple thing of sharing it. Are you really going to then go and implement the action steps and the strategies that we give to live a life of impact. Probably not so just start small all right. Prove true to yourself that. You're an action taker podcasts. At least one million. Yeah Yeah. We're sitting here talking about free and you're talking about charging to learn like literally literally make money to learn which is genius right which is great because how do they know that you pay the practice. Yeah right so far. You're sure it's working guys it's working. I'm going and I'm hearing people yelling across the parking lot. Is it Dan from born impact. I just literally heard that. Yes say at my daughter's high school so that's awesome. Thank you guys out there. That are doing that so it's not free. There's there's one ticket price and that's just please tell. Somebody share era another thing to do to help us give us a rating review on. I tunes appreciate it. Getting close to five thousand reviews. All you do on I tunes or or we're spotify or Google podcast. Whatever podcast platform? You're listening list section where you can leave us a review. That's his helps. Someone's browsing for new podcast casts or someone tells him about born back when they go it just hit some bom. Yep Forty seven hundred five star reviews and then they start reading the feedback and all the lives that are being changed changed. Its encourages people to go ahead and take the next step and dive in download and listen to some episodes so all ways that you can help and give back to the born born to impact community that we're building appreciate you for sharing easiest way to share. You're listening to this podcast on podcast platform if it is I tunes. There's it's GonNa be a shower. I count on the other ones as well but tunes bottom right hand corner. There's three little dots. Click those three dots. You Click share this episode and then it'll bring up all these different APPS APPS that you can share text message facebook instagram email. All right choose whatever one that is best suits you or multiple and go ahead and share this episode Sheraton Instagram share to Facebook Charrette via text. Message with three or four friends. You think you can help you got somebody in your mind who you know. I think it can can really benefit from the types of things that we're sharing born impact go ahead and share it simple couple clicks letter. You share the episode and you have paid your fee for today for listening listening so we appreciate that J J hold on reading. I gotTA share this because we have a nineteen year old right here mazing content. This is on Monday. This is a review five star. I'm a nineteen year old attending college and the content given in this podcast has helped me a lot. I've been trying to break out of my. Shell being an introvert. And this podcast is is helping me little by little thank you so nineteen year old in college. It's this huge. You guys out there. One thousand nine hundred. I don't care what age you are. It's it's so amazing to hear these reviews from you. Thank you for sharing. We look reread them. I knew this was in here. Is Why win because I read the other day and so you know who you are out there. I won't won't name you but that's amazing. So thank you guys for the five star reviews and thank you for giving us this amazing feedback because its fuel. It's so much fuel Golfer Joel. And I to sit with these amazing people and guests and it's because of you that drives us yup absolutely if you are new we're we're gonNA start in We're going to go back to episode one and we're going to go to episode number to do it again if you need to okay or you're going to venture out from there. Why because we need to build a foundation build the foundation? We're going to keep pumping that make you understand. You cannot do anything without a foundation. We all know that if you're any person person on this planet that successful so go back to episode number one episode number to get fired up. Listen to the story of why Joel and I are actually doing this. This podcast. What it takes the five P's we're not going to go over those peas but the first one is passion right? If you don't know your passion all you're doing is you're being a slave to the paycheck. Okay that's not what we want for you. We want you to follow the five piece. Get back to episode one two and then venture to anyone that resonates with you and I highly recommend to listen until them all because there are man every one of them has been incredible. Yes we add Just blessed to have some amazing guests amazing stories as we approach each episode with thought an intention which means at the end of the day we agree content from everybody and props to you for putting together all the outline of what we do with each one of these guests the research that you put into them you know the time that's spent and all that because that's a lot of time and it's taking away from your family and taking away from personal time and you do that to help these people on the other end which is amazing and then we sit down. We got our papers here. We have all our information we go through the guideline of course we veer here and there but thanks for that Joel because that is a huge part of why this podcast is so successful. Because we don't just sit here ramble. We do have really actionable stuff that we're talking about. That are gold nuggets that you can get from every single podcast. That's why we want you to venture but this makes you go back to episode one and two and lay the foundation yeah five pillars of impacts almost forgot to read the misincentives for the podcast. And here. It is guys one and only pockets born impact the one and only podcast specifically designed to move you further towards living the life that you were born live with every episode guys. Our goal is to give you clear and actionable steps which which Dan just mentioned not fluff but real practical takeaways to help you live a more impactful life life with purpose a life where. You're making a difference France in your family in relationships in your career in the world around you. That's all about living the life that you were born to live the life where you're making a difference. What is impact people's air? What's impact impact is making a difference? Are you making a difference. Does what you're doing on this planet planet. Does it matter. It should matter you can matter embrace it and then you need again it goes back to episodes wanted to with the five pillars passion. Be Number One. You cannot make an impact doing something you hate then you cannot make an impact doing something that you're only we tolerate each. That'd be something that fires you up every day because the only way you're GonNa get through all the hard times obstacles which is another one of the pillars perseverance. No way you're going to be able to persevere is was anchored in passionate and you can't make an impact with fluff for this every time you say that word fluff you remember that stuff. They we still sell it. The marshmallow jar got fluff. Okay it's like the peanut butter and uh-huh you can't make an impact with that except for your stomach will grow your stomach but anyways I think about it every time you say the word we're not about fluff here we're all about actional takeaway steps to get you to live the life you were born to live so get ready get you know. peds out if you're driving all right just replay this later on and do what you need to do to make sure that you're listening because I'm telling you this gentleman is about to bring the fire. I don't care what his age is. He's got me super impressed. And I can't wait to hear more and I'm I'M GONNA learn stuff today if you're driving here. Hey An iphone you say pause it say Siri take notes and then you just dictate you want to remember. There's always a way right always away right fortunate with technology today. There's there's always a way all right. I'm going to introduce Casey now Casey Adams there's a personal brand new expert keynote speaker and the nineteen year old. CEO of build your empire. An event in media company focused on educating impacting the next generation of entrepreneurs. He's also the host of the top. Business podcast RISA. The young where he has interviewed more than one hundred. The world class entrepreneurs me being one of them at the young age of nineteen. Casey in his entrepreneurial journey had been featured all over the media including Forbes Forbes magazine. ABC News and Entrepreneur Magazine. His social media following has grown impact more than two hundred thousand people on a regular basis then his book whereas the young long been an Amazon bestseller. Even more Casey is someone who values relationship and delivering value. I we're going to have incredible incredible conversation. Today it's our pleasure to welcome our special guests this show today. Casey Adams got me on. I've been looking forward to this for a while and mean enjoyed wrapped up our interview. So it's good to be on the other side now. Yeah we just had a conversation. I got talk live now. You'RE GONNA talk I'm excited. Let's let's Pause S. God bless the conversation. We're about to have as we always do and then we'll get into some pretty awesome content. Lord thanks so much for the opportunity just to be here today to be sitting across another amazing individual who's GonNa share knowledge and experience from his life journey. Lord we ask that you bless his conversation that impact every single person who is listening that would stretch chord with whatever. It is the Benny to hear. Guide and direct. Our words bless his conversation and our time together. Christ we pray Amen Amen Amen all right so nineteen years old. Let's go through people's life stories right. I'm I'm I'm GonNa Bring you back on the show in twenty years ears and ask you to tell it again. It's going to be double the length ahead. Probably triple quadruple happens in later two years. But just let's I mean you've been super successful at nineteen right. People say all his life story to have it. Nineteen well well guess. What when you get started in business for years ago at fifteen years old? It's you've got four years of of entrepreneurial. Experience was pretty amazing. Insert something here okay. You Said said something here at the end of when you're you know basically letting everybody know who Casey is. There's a reason why you are where you're at that most people to this day. I don't care what age they are still still do. Not Get and I'm GonNa tell you what that is says right here. You value relationships and deliver value first brees national step. We haven't even gotten scarred. Okay step you value relationships of the amazing people on this planet and and you deliver value. I that is so freaking huge that I wanNA make sure that I'm pointing that out because that is it's one of the major your building blocks of why you are where you are. I mean and I want everyone. I don't care there's people out there right now. That are forty fifty sixty years old and they're not doing that. They're not doing that so I just want to point it it out. Make your notes. There's a gold nugget. If you're not doing it start doing it. And guess what your life will change drastically for the positive immediately e media understand so I just wanted to. We just had Brian Dixon on. Had A book called start with your people and is all about relationships and valuing valuing people not just hey. What's my end goal? No I'M GONNA try over everybody I can just to get there you know. It's realize people matter right right and if you can show up and you can deliver value as Casey has been doing. He's he's a master networker at the young age of nineteen years old has a massive network already We're going to get into a lot of lotteries y but Casey let's start. Let's just go back to you. Know Your your upbringing kind of family. You were brought up in you come from the super wealthy family or were you like all the rest of us were you. You just Kinda have a an everyday normal upbringing. Just just take us back to the beginning and let's just walk through what life was like as a kid kind of maybe some some mentors and stuff and how you got into entrepreneurship about fifteen. But absolutely absolutely I appreciate it in so I I I again thank you so much for having me on the show and In for me putting people first and delivering value. I it's always been something that I've I've had throughout my life I believe in. I think my parents for that. But I come from a small town in Virginia Chesterfield Virginia. Twenty minutes outside of Richmond and Group there my whole life. I moved doubt about a year ago. So it's it's been more like. That was the foundation of where I'm from right. So Chesterfield Virginia Born two brothers twenty five and twenty one now. Both my parents in together for ever since I was born. So that's definitely a blessing in my life that I was look towards something that I've been blessed with as a foundation. My mom she's She's she was the man that was always either a there at the house and nowadays a special Ed teacher. And she's it. I always like to say this. She was and she listens to a lot of the interviews I do. She makes seventeen seventeen grand a year but she is very fulfilled with what she does helping kids and instilling whatever she can to these special needs kids. And it's something that like you said it's quite the opposite coming from wealth right my dad. He's been working in Philip Morris which is a cigarette factory for the last twenty years ever since I was born. That's been his his thing and growing up. I didn't see my dad a lot right when when I wake up. He's at work five in the morning. He gets home at nine o'clock at night and he passes out because he's tired because he's been working all day and that was a relationship growing up. You know me and my mom. We've we've been. I'm really close with younger. But she was a stay at home mom early in my life watching my two brothers and I grow up but it was one of those things that I always saw from an early age. I'm like why why doesn't uh-huh. Why can't I spend more time with my dad right? Like why can't I be around him like an my mom and it was because of he needs to be job right needs to pay for the bills and understanding data at an early age I was I was always asking these questions and freedom always became important to me from a young age whether that was the freedom to play sports to freedom to hang out with my friends when I want to just little things early on were always important to me but I think I think being the youngest brother of three was always a blessing because I learned from them what to do but also so what not to do right like I. I've seen them both go to community. College drop out. I'm okay check shouldn't do that. They're in debt now. I don't want to do it on that route whether they're going out and partying than they did in trouble and that's not the right thing to do. Let me go the opposite way right. I think from an early age being the youngest three was always a blessing for just my upbringing. Bring in. I want to point that out there because I think it's something that I kinda have. That Ford Vision Right where I'm thirteen but I see my eighteen year old brother doing things on my okay. What can I learn from him so I think definitely my brothers were mentors in my life from an early age and I started playing sports which is something every foundational in my life at three years old? I picked up my first. I hockey skates and I started roller skating and playing hockey and hockey sort of big in Virginia and three years old to thirteen hockey for ten years. That was my identity. I would like to call it. You know playing sports being part of a team building team culture and just overall being a part of a group of people that all have the same end goal right whether that's win the game or score the extra point or comeback back when you're losing by three hockey and sports to me was what I like to call like my my pre-game before October ship journey right just everything mental about all sports. I've seen and I've interviewed a lot of people now. I like. I like to call it that. Having the sports background has given me an advantage in entrepreneurship journey now but long story short growing up. I didn't fly on my first airplane until I could buy the plane ticket myself. I always wanted to travel growing up like I said in. Virginia I had family in New Jersey the and North Carolina so those were the only two places I would drive to growing up. I always wanted to go out west and see the world and you know getting on instagram. Thirteen you start seeing all all these different places around the world locations and I'm like I want to learn and be in these different environments so growing up having the urge to travel in the freedom. That was was something I always wanted to pinpoint in my life. How can I? How can I make money to start traveling? More meat. Cool people that can give me these opportunities to travel but long story short sports boards played hockey for ten years and then that was a while journey. We always travel all up and down the east coast playing hockey. And that gave me a sense of okay I can. I like moving different in states and meeting New People and and competing against against different teams and then during I would say middle squadrons until across. That was the next step step along. My journey was like okay. I'm kind of done with hockey. I'm not going to go professional for Mac style with travel teams and all that sort of stuff so let me go trial across but speaking on I I think identity. I've always say in school. I've I've always been a great student. I graduated high school. Three eight GPA. I didn't just completely kick school aside. I've always been hungry to learn and avenues. I would say in school always paid attention. You know I wasn't the kid that was trying to skip school and peace out. I always took learning education seriously but going through middle school. Well I think I was starting to see a lot of people my age. You know they. They weren't not only focusing on their work but they were doing different things whether they're getting involved with drugs and alcohol. I saw this at an early the age just even for my brothers and my community where I'm seeing these different people that I consider friends and colleagues of mine was that get get arrested or do these things so I ice. I learned understanding separate myself from bad influences in my life. Going into high school and Literally Ninth Tenth Grade Year started playing football. This was the foundation of really where I hold on. Go ahead you learn this. At night. I was like seventh grade and seventh grade. You learned to separate yourself from the negative. Confront the negative influencers okay. Everybody People Today Still North Thirties. Forties and fifties are still not doing separate yourself from the negative influencers. I love that because it's so true we're going to beat it into people's heads because I didn't get it unfortunately until a little later than you did for sure I mean a lot later actually but yeah man. That's another actionable steps in and it's one of those things where it's like you know being being situations where you you can learn what to do and what not to yeah. I think that's happened a lot in my life where it's like you're an environment with your friends. And then they go partying or do whatever. It's not moving them towards their goal is right I I always had from early age not like written down goals but I had these dreams and I wanted to do something different right and I always tell people when whenever my teacher would hand me a scantron and say what do you want to do when you grow up right. That general thesis I I I always circle the box business because everything else. It was like doctor lawyer. It was like these specific things. Business always was that thing that I didn't really know too much about i. Don't come from a business background. My parents entrepreneurs but it just seems open ended in and whenever I would circle that box right and I began after an injury that I'll get into in a second. I've always had a curiosity reality of okay like obviously I wanna I wanNA make money be able to travel and have freedom because growing up. I wasn't flying anywhere. Didn't travel anywhere so I've always had the curiosity an open. Mind to say okay. Like what else is out there. And I never knew. I didn't pick up a personal development book and two hours early ninth grade and like I said after the injured or injury that I'll get into but I didn't trouble learning and I was an avid reader so over the last four years. It's been something that I've completed shifted my identity due to this massive negative situation that will get into and I. It's the identity shift that truly set the tone so that being said when I was fifteen years old in high school I played football for two years prior. We're going into high school lacrosse and football do things and I've always had good friends around me and being a part of a team that like. I said that's been really important to me so going into Sophomore Year of high school. My my plan at that moment just to kind of pre reframe was. Hey I'm GONNA I'M GONNA go to high school. Go to college and figure out whatever happens I never. I didn't really have like this future. Looked I understood. I wanted to have bigger bigger and better opportunities but I wasn't aware of what's out there right. So first day of hitting practice football it was believe it was August I that was like the thirty day a period of just they call it hell week back home and it's where you spend thirty days hitting and getting dirty. Football team won states last year so we had a great coaching system and and One of those things the first day of hitting practice go out we do this. Drill Long Story Short I. My helmet wasn't properly and I ended up hitting my head on the ground and it wasn't one of those injuries where it was instantly. I was rushed to the hospital so I hit my head on the ground and I had this massive pain in my neck and I knew something wasn't right and I ended up stopping practice for the rest of the day. Wake pick up the next morning. Can't even move my head in something that I knew something was severely wrong so go to the doctor that morning and being fifteen years old at the time I'm expecting you know go to the doctor. We'll get an X ray and I'll be back on our first game for on Friday. That was my mentality. I didn't think it was something that would stop what I'm currently doing. I thought it's something that I could recover and I'd be good. Go to the doctor and get an x Ray and win the waiting room. You know. I'll I want people to think about this whether you're a forty or fifteen. I'm expecting me to walk out of that room exactly exactly the same mental space x expecting. Hey here's a medicine do these stretches and you're good next week or next month whatever it is doctor walks in the room and he says I've some good news in some bad news. The good news is you're not paralyzed and the bad news is you can never play football again and you have you've been diagnosed with inner spines Liam and damage. That's the doctor phrase and he says to me. I didn't really know what it meant at the time. But overall interstates ligament damage we have an interest as ligament and and if I was to completely tear my inner spines Islam. That's when you paralyzed. 'cause there's there's nothing else to do right. There's always almost paralyze and then he comes in with this neck brace and he's like you have to spend the next six months in this neck. Brace like like here it is puts it on my neck gives me the layout of what it is my mom's crying. I'm just sort of still in shock like I can't play football again. Like what do you mean it. It didn't make sense to me in that that moment and we leave that day and that's when I would say like everything changed for me I get into a depression. I didn't know what my future looked like. I'm expecting to play football that year. Never a great season and now I can't full ever again I could potentially not snowboard and these are all passions among going back to find your passion fifteen my identity. was you know. I Love Winter Sports. I love snowboarding in. Football was my identity and I walk out of there with the definition of how you can never play football again. Like don't even think about it because if you do your spine is so i WanNa stable that you could get paralyzed. And that's not worth it and then I'm in this neck brace. which is the most uncomfortable contraption plastic looking thing ever in long story short just to end off off this journey the next six months the beginning two to three was just straight depression? I'm angry I'm getting pissed on my mom. Why this happened to me? I I became the victim. You know and that's something that I've learned to overcome overcame it but in that moment was has become the victim and overcoming right. 'cause I think so many my people that are on the receiving end of blow life knocks you down right and then it's like. Aw for so many people. It's always me of the look at the cards. I got Dell and you know and and that's our excuse for never excelling in life or not getting past not achieving or living in average life or saddling. Langer whatever right so just talk about that and maybe some advice you have because even your only nineteen years old and you deal with some more setbacks here but like you had pretty Jason Difficult setback at fifteen years old and you had to. How how could you use that or harnessed that too? I get past it and then use it as part of your story and see how Oh propelled you into even even better place because you had a choice. Do I lament on this end. Yeah you I mean you even said you had a period of time. Where you're you're upset? What about it you you were fell into some depression which is normal rides normal but at some point you have to decide like enough is enough amount of there's nothing define me you for the rest of my life? I'm not going to allow this one episode to say how can ruin the rest of my story so just talked to the people who maybe they're in the middle of a big setback back right now and what would you say to somebody. Who's just in the thick of something they didn't plan for? And maybe right in the middle of a AH of a very negative life experience where one is one of these you know life punched in the mouth types of situations. Clearly if you've gotten past that even have excelled past that so just gives people out there your thoughts some hope absolutely so one of my Elvis Kayla. Matic's says use your setbacks as a setup for your comebacks and he told me that we we give them good friends on social media at that age but I want everyone really think about that. Like your setbacks are set up for your comebacks right. That's why they pull you down right. It's when you get pulled back. I like to say when you're at the lowest of lows it makes you realize that there's there's high points right you get to you become self aware and I became self where young age where it's like. Hey I know this is really negative right now but it became the influences in my life. That changed what I was doing right so during those first two months. I know people always talk about like. Oh your phones could be a blessing or distraction right and I was on youtube and social media just endlessly scrolling as a fifteen enrolled not utilizing social media to my advantage. But when I started seeing these different ads and different people online like Kylo Buzzer Gary talking about the Good Life Health Wealth love and happiness tennis and it was a new. I would say a new way to look at life. I believe in my setback and when I became the victim there was different blessings and opportunities that arise where. I didn't expect it to but I was able to latch on and is fully commit to this new lifestyle in whether that was reading books or listening to podcasts because all these different mentors online that had success that it seemed like from a social perspective. I just I started following them but I believe the people listening to answer the question when I became the most when I was in the most victim tally. It was someone else that sort of said. Hey you know. We've we've all been through setbacks that was from facebook ad and I saw a video online. Linux was these different perspectives. That opened up my awareness to like. Oh Wow this isn't just me. Other people have gone through that. That's why I believe people listening today and having podcasts and interviewing interviewing people there's so much access to information where you have to understand that you're not the only one going through something right because I I do believe what you're going through something you're going to something whether that's the definition initiative. Whatever that chapter is nobody Colin Wayne? I'm not sure if you know who he is. A key interviewed him and he says there's chapters in your life where I once you get to the end of that page. Close the Chapter and star new chapter and like truly become someone who you were just not become a new identity of yourself and I believe anyone. That's going through something you you have to really create yourself to be that new person or that new identity to end that chapter right if I was just going to six months to press the entire time and it wasn't open into self development and picking up a book by Tim Ferriss or the thinking Roerich. Whatever it was? If I didn't do that and form this new identity around vegetation Asian and entrepreneurship. I would be the same person I was. You know so I think it was for me just understanding that at the time but more so latching onto it and finding a new identity because because I lost this fifteen year old Casey Adams. That's playing football. That wasn't me anymore. You know and I had to find out who I now will become and I believe anyone. That's going through something or has a setback. You have to redefine who you are to get to the next level. That's all I like to put it. Yeah I like the I like to use the analogy of a slingshot to the seasons life. That pull you back well if you lies properly. The rubber band doesn't break you'll like flying that's going to propel you forward right so you use. WHO's this this period was lifetime came in and pulled you down but you allowed it to set yourself up for the next chapter of your life offend propel you into you know a really amazing place so go ahead and continue with the story so during this time? You're you was. When he got introduced to the Gary V's tight Lopez's out there so continued from there? Yeah so regarding like in that timeframe right I instead spending my time on football and practicing. I had all this time that I now had to allocate somewhere else. I believe that was more my blessing in the skies where it's like instead of going after school to practice practice or summertime at the time. I had to find out what I want to do with my time right. There was a boredom. I wasn't someone that would xbox endlessly play on day right. I I like to be active active so me I. I found this route with Gary V and Tyler. Perry Tyler has to be like. He's the first guy that I found online and I saw his ass. He's talking about the Good Life Health Wealth Levin happiness and long sort and this is something tactical I bought into one of his programs with the sixty seven. Step program it was like six seven days. One video was like an hour hour and a half and you just watch it and he book reviews or more so lessons. He's learned from his mentor is and he's breaks it down in a foundational way and you're supposed to take notes on it right so I buy this thing with me my buddy and Than our pod Chasma Buddy. We both by thirty three bucks bought this program. It was like sixty seventy dollars because I didn't have any money at the time to do that. Didn't have a job. I was fifteen so we get this program and I spend the next sixty seven days just an hour hour and a half a day could have this time now to learn and take notes and this isn't something that I was doing before though. I think it's more so something that I just gravitated towards and committed to because I had all this time and I was in my room at my desk or whatever it was just starting to follow tie Lopez Lopez in during that journey. You know you just opened up to this whole world on social media following tie than I hear of any vessel and then ed or whoever else inbetween right Tim. Fair is Louis House in his pod. Jasmine I just start immersing myself into this entrepreneur space in because I hear whether there's different ways to make money or there's different ways to get new opportunity. I just find myself love now following all these different massively influential business people that I had no idea about prior month ago that I'm now asking my friends do like do you listen to this podcast. And no one's aware of anything so I'm like okay. I kind of found this pocket of attention but more so like influence that I really want to grasp because they're successful. They have more so what I want. Whether that's health wealth and happiness or anything in between but I actually immersed myself like I said and then I spent the next four five months of being in that neck brace just reading books order books on Amazon and listening to podcast religious educating myself to to really build the foundation for what sent me over the last four years of my life but it was really getting involved with personal element and reading fifty books during that timeframe and diving in head first. That allowed me and that that was early. That was twenty. Sixteen that that happened. No that was twenty fifteen actually and leading into two thousand sixteen. That's what I was getting out of my neck. Brace 'cause this happened in the summer of two thousand fifteen in two thousand sixteen was the year where I started experimenting and Testing. That's when I got involved with affiliate marketing and started selling t shirts online really just started figuring out about all these different business business opportunities through people like tie and Gary and his hearing all of these different ideas where I just wanted to go out and execute. I understood that I can read a book I can. I can listen. Listen to a podcast but if I want to make money and actually start a business like become that next level actually have to go out there and start. Doing things started testing during the time. Your injury did you have any kind of pain medication. Did you have pain. I'll doing physical therapy like twice a week at a time. So a lot of pain for you on any type of medication that could curve your thoughts not now okay. Because I think there's a lot of people out there that feel like they're the victim and they're basically the victim of an injury that led into law school. We'll medications and stuff. That ruled their life for sure. Like I'm sitting here and I can tell you from my own experience like literally. I could've taken many medications for my back injury right and I know what that will do to me so I chose not to do that right but grounded out and recommending that for everyone. I don't know what your situation is but there is someone someone out there that has an injury like that. What would you say to them? That may because this victim mentality. I those pain meds in those things that people are taking which rightfully so for some day. But there's a lot of abuse as we know I mean the biggest ever now for purdue of what's going on with the biggest lawsuit of billions of dollars of going bankrupt for oxycodone. What would you say to someone that feels like the victim right now? That's living a life. That's in pain gene. Because you went and got books you went and downloaded things you went and was constructive. Yup a lot of these people that are in painting that are living in that world right now that may be on these pain pills curving those thoughts to think that they're trying to get by one more day. I WANNA I WANNA be paying day but I can't even think about trying to progress to get into my next level where I wanna go to make this situation be the next chapter. What would you say to someone who's out there right now with the victim mentality? Polity that maybe on all those pain pills yeah. I think it's back to a bringing marketing. Nixon he has a book on victim to Victor. And I think it's that itself self right if you're in a victim mentality and you're in pain physical or emotional and I've seen this with my brothers and people that are where my influences back home. Their mindset wasn't it wasn't they weren't using their mind to fuel them for their mind was using them right they were. They were allowing these thoughts to circle in their head. They're saying oh I I can't progress. I'm stuck in this cycle. Michael and the the overall got trapped in their their preconceived notions of what their future their past was so for me. I at that moment in paying from a physical perspective I was going to the doctor twice a week and literally bedrest almost six months laying down taking it easy and not trying to go out there and do something that could hurt my neck all right well overall when it comes to the mental pain of like depressed. I don't know what to do it when I when I found this dose of I hated reading prior to this honestly like prior to involve a self development and reading all these books I didn't I was the kid that would pick up a book and read it but it's something that I attracted to all growing up. I was a social person and I read how to win friends and influence people that one of the first books that I read write and I read and talked about this building human connection. And that's something that I gravitated towards or something like Gary Davies Book crush it about Social Media and building an audience I was on social media so therefore I was reading about a subject that I already was doing utilizing right so I think wherever you're at in your life whatever pain when you're going through like figure out some of your passions hobbies that sports cars or whatever and figure out a way that you can get involved with what that is but actually whether that's make money or just make sure your time and your mental space is fuelling your forward not pulling you back because I think it's one of those things too where had buddies that you know they get hooked don pills and then there's this thing that they just go more of but they won't pick up a book and try to learn something 'cause they don't think it's for them they don't think it's that's not their type of thing to do so I mean and to answer the question were you saying more so from the pain of physical or mental. There's a lot of victim mentality that's out there and I think you kind of answered it used reading as a therapy. Happy one hundred percent. I mean you literally use that to catapult your career and everything about you forward right you used as building blocks to make yourself a stronger individual. Yep So for you like for me. I don't particularly like to read a whole lot. I will read something if I'm very interested in it. I'd rather listen to things so I think to spin that people could listen to more positive podcast which could be all the name Judas listed plus a lot more. Yeah there's there's so much content out there today yeah yeah here's another you know just your perspective on it right because look you were in a position where you had something that was taking that was fulfilling. That was taking a good amount of your time which was sports and football taken away from you. Have this big empty time and then you have to choose. How fell it right so if something is taken taken away from you? Generally speaking that leaves the spots be filled right so you you decided which was very mature for your young years to Philip positively right so is that it was like. Would you be to where you are for today. And the and this is kind of rested on this a little bit in the podcasts. Kind of this whole concept of freedom Surrender and just saying like I trust that God inserted sorted this setback into my life. For some reason right. You would probably say that you would not be where you are today. Had it not be for that injury hundred present you would have never had at the time to even allocated do be all doing what you're doing and and football you probably you know. Be Very very busy with some of the Games in practice and all that stuff year round. And then you'd be in college and then who knows what you'd be doing today right. You want to be nineteen years old hosting events. Have Your own super successful podcasts. And all this stuff. It's a blessing Muslim center. A blessing in disguise. no-one no-one you would never say if you had the pen. And you're gonNA write your life story you would never have it. Say I'M GONNA have nephew injury and take away my passion when I'm fifteen years old. I can't play sports anymore. No one would ever say that but then you look back and you say if it weren't for that I wouldn't have this amazingness that's going on now right. It's it's like God knows better than we do this more than we do. He knows that like You're going to get really wrapped up in the sports thing but I have a much bigger plan for your life and once in front of people on what you want stages I want you. Impacting people through social media. and His podcast. And don't do Internet a young age. I want you to show people. It's possible as a teenager in in the realm of entrepreneurship and how you can impact people bid so unfortunately I'm GonNa have to take away away football and you don't know that that's what's going on in the background right. You don't know that but these things happen. I also I also what I'm going through a dark the patch I say God thank you for trusting me enough that I am. I will find my way out of this. You know that that I'm not gonNA BE SOMEBODY WHO's not going to be defeated because why. I don't think God puts setbacks in our life. I stay in the setbacks I it's it's God put that there because he believed new enough that you're gonNA come out of it and create this amazingness on the other side and this greatness that you've kind of walked into but you chose like blessing in disguise. I had that had to. It happened in order for me to have this extra bucket of time that I can now use for education and find out what it is. I really really wanted to do was impact people and then start your businesses and all that you you may be you know you may find yourself twenty five years old and still figuring out we're trying to do in life for that injury happened out now I can confidently say that like that wouldn't have happened like I don't know where I'd be. My plan was to go to college. Maybe get a Lacrosse scholarship tip. I wasn't too sure but I mean young be here I would not be here and it's this guy has been absolutely it's amazing that's not saying anyone who sports it just dropped sports and then and then realistic ebooks audiobooks and podcasts. Saints Is Trust. Trust the season of life that you're in that as part of the plan you know it's part of the plan if you trust if you don't and you become the victim and and You Fall into depression. You don't believe that do you have this happened to me and you don't believe it's part of the plan. Then what's going to happen on toys when each alive and the devil creeps in because when you have the victim mentality tally. That's when you fall victim to the pain pills. That are all the time not once in a while because you need it. Because you're in pain which I'm not downing it for that reason. You would absolutely need that. My wife has the same reason that people turn to drugs and alcohol and porn and everything else all this other stuff Joel. You said when you have something that's taken away from you. You're trying to fill it with something else you're filled with suffo- tasty did with podcast and education and things that are empowering right or the film will always feel bad for yourself and then go out there and just medic self. Medicate yourself to appoint fricken hours of Netflix. Because ahead now you could have just through on Netflix and just binged out on every TV. Show you what. How could have been mildly entertaining for a little bit but it certainly was not going to move you forward to you? Know making impact in the world and generating wealth and entrepreneurship. And everything that you do in helping so many people and obviously super fulfilling nine for you to be kind of already at nineteen years old like really much further along than most people are at your age in that the journey of figuring figuring out what is it the most people questioned nineteen years old. What am I supposed to do in my life and nineteen years old? I'm a confession here. You go in nineteen years old. I remember remember walking across the street from my apartment that I had no electricity and no lie okay. We lost our electricity being. Pay The bill. All right we had free cable. I won't say how we had that when across the Burger King and literally went in there and I took their salt and pepper Shaker in a role toll paper at nineteen one thousand nine years old. You're sitting right here right now. All right so I definitely didn't go around you did and I had to take me longer to finally get it because there was no technology back then like it is today anyways but long story short. I'm saying I I didn't have a role toll. Paper in Salt and pepper. Shakers are so cheesy but ended up taking breaking confession. Nineteen years old though. I mean that's where I was that. Okay Yeah So. Many people are lost at that age but You know ability to the point but but really the whole van. Some taken away leaves a void to fill right now. You WanNA fill it. If it's a most people choose that something important to them gets taken away leaves a void and then they're just going to self medicate with everything to get their hands on whether it's drugs. Alcohol Binge on Netflix Netflix Porn. Whatever right anything that is consumer time in their mind and met them? Forget about for a few minutes or an hour or whatever the you know the the mental pain that they're having the this devastating thing happened to them. So listen if you're in the middle of something right now guys who are listening. You're in the middle of something and maybe someone introduces podcast to you. Because they knew that you don't dark time and maybe you are somebody who liked me. Certain points in my life will going through a very depressed time N.. Me Yeah where you're where you're struggling just to get out of bed and face today. Whatever is right you you had had this extra time? You have this void that you're looking to fill a couple of things number. One I I tell you to do is is to start. Having a conversation with God and fill that void with Trenton that relationship and the second thing is you got time. I don't use for things that are positive and it wasn't like the first. Oh you got my neck injury in the next day. You're listening to podcasts. Always going to be great right. There was a little bit of a transition transition in in the normal grieving process. Yes you have. You had a loss or loss of of something that you love to do right but you chose not to stay there. You chose to turn your pain into power yup. Turn your mess to message right. Lucky I was talking about so so good at secured. You if you're listening you in the middle of something. What are you filling that void with right now? Maybe this podcast came to you at a time where you need to choose to put that thing away that it's not serving that you're filling the void with and start turn into things of that a positive positive relationships around positive people spend time the right people spend time the right resources. podcast like this the stuff stuff that is going to influence you in a positive way and help you move forward not stay where you're at and certainly not go backwards. Yeah thank you for answering that because I recently went through my whole back scenario area and I'm still not out of the woods yet but there was some times man. There were some times devil tries to creep in my head and I wanted you to answer that because I know there's a lot more people out there right now suffering. Yeah some way shape or form. But they're not the victim. Don't fall to the victim whole aspect. Joel in case you just said it and I think you guys answer that question that I had for you really well because I'll tell you right now. There's people listening to this thing that literally needed to hear that and it may not be pain pills. May maybe something else that you're doing to just fill that void. Maybe you're cheating on your wife or your husband. Maybe I don't know what it is. All I know is is. It's important for you to remember number that because you're looking for that self-gratification for that moment because you're feeling that there's a void missing Yup and you hit it home when you said that Joel. It's so is so a home. Run when you say that you have to fill it with something else. binge-watching net flicks. What is it GonNa be is going to be going download books? They're going to be podcast. Whatever it is please take Casey story in use that for strength to pull yourself forward so that when you come out of this dark time you literally can triumph and and us one day at a time to continue ru soukup right go back and listen? If you haven't already you know this is the woman who fell victim and was ten percent chance chance of living in. Now she went to seven figure business influencing people all over the world because she didn't take the easy route. Okay don't become the victim in just use that strength police. Please do that because it's important that's going to be for everyone's rest of your life. It doesn't matter what age you are. You're GONNA get tried. You're going to have low moments. Don't let the valley too low. Oh honey present you all right so go ahead of those important jumping off point. I want to continue with the story. So that you're fifteen years old. Here you introduced is to tie stuff and all that word is your entrepreneurial journey start where you really. Hey you said mentioned like some not shirts and all this stuff. I just talked about the early days of entrepreneurship for you. Yeah Yeah so I think one of the biggest things that I did early on was read. I read one and gave us a book called crush Russia and he talks about personal branding and I think I want to touch on this before we kind of get into the story because building a personal brand and just what that means to me which will get into at fifteen i. I understood just from literally reading one book about like. Hey you need to build your personal brand. Your reputation is your reputation but you can. You can build it online and the most authentic way so let me do that. So at fifteen after. I'm reading these books. I started literally just like documenting my journey on snapchat at the time and instagram and putting out content which is pictures. Pictures Videos didn't have instagram stories yet. But I started putting out content on instagram and snapchat. I had trouble one hundred thousand followers of like local people in my hometown. And I'm putting the books I'm reading and putting out the podcast listening to. I'm just starting to document this narrative of what I'm doing this because this dude Gary View I just started following saying hey this is the right thing to do and I was massively execution mode and that was moving into twenty sixteen early two thousand sixteen I I started selling t shirts online and it was more so just like print on demand services. I came up with this phrase rise of the young which is obviously the podcast name and the name of the book and all the stuff I do now but I started selling teachers at school and trying to sell months snapchat in that went on for six months. No real growth. There was more so just continuing to document my journey trying to connect with people and then towards the end of two thousand sixteen. That's when I really shift happened so I am. I connected with Kayla medics so kilometers shelter. Caleb always telling he's someone that I was fifteen time he was fourteen and he's this fourteen with you. Yeah yeah he's in Phoenix. He's from Saint Pete right around here but he was fourteen at the time and I think one someone. Maybe you're listening to this. Once you see someone else do something it gives you the confidence since to say. Hey why why not me right. And that was me at fifteen. Caleb was fourteen if you don't know if you don't know Caleb. He was speaking on stage with Gary Tony Robbins. And he's wrote seven books and he's made hundreds of thousands of dollars from selling the keys to success for kids like online programs and all this stuff and I saw this Guy Kayla matic verified instagram has fifty thousand followers. And I'm like who. Is this fourteen year old kid. And what is he doing and long story short from the beginning I was sending them a message. Michaela I love your content. It's it's so valuable. It's a whole different perspective on what I WANNA do in my journey and this is like I said late twenty sixteen and long story short. We just end up touching base. I touch point on instagram. And the dams you know he starts following me. I follow follow him and I have no following really putting out content from my house in Virginia and the books I'm reading and he's flying all over the world speaking with these massively influential people and it was It was during that time that I started doing snapchat affiliate marketing I found this program called online. Sales rose an email marketing software. And where you could send out email email blasts or whatever it is it was like thirty seven bucks a month and I was selling it onto my snapchat audience because I found this little hack and it was a snapchat group. It was called ghost codes. There's an APP where you could add a bunch of people on snapchat and manually add people and long story short within a month and a half. I had like two thousand people a day watching my snapchat stories of just the books I was reading and I was doing book reviews and like it was like this entrepreneur. Audience that building just on Snapchat snapchat too much for business now but that was my foundation and then I was auto offers and promoting products and got involved with this affiliate program and I remember the first week I sold like a hundred of these little like thirty seven dollars a month. Affiliate Vliet products and I was making like two grand a month residual like in a week and it was during that time. The reason that I did that was my mom was like Yellen. I really need to get a job you just. I just turned sixteen in July of that a year. Both your brothers were working at his restaurant or for couple years now. That was my route to go get a job and be a busboy at this spot. I'll say I don't want to do this. I'm I'm Reading Rich Dad Poor Dad. I don't think grow rich. I'm like I'm not sacrificing time for money right and and then I'm looking online. I was like how can make money right now to prove to my mom that I do not have to get a job. That was my mentality and I think that young people always ask me like. Oh my parents. They're always asking me like. Oh what's what's the thing. I think quick execution instant results are exactly what you what you need to show your parents right. Shit action will result Riggan. I love that you can have theories of what lifts and I could do this and you've always do but I think in unless you have something to show there's nothing to say right. You're all talk. Yeah exactly so I was like okay. Let me. I found this product and I started promoting it and long story short. I started making two grand a month just from this little snapshot product. I'm selling people on snapchat in this audience at the time and long story short. I I according to learn more about personal branding and I'm starting to translate that audience to instagram. So I have five. Almost ten thousand followers from just relentless following people in messaging. People like I looked at Instagram Ozzy. I'll full-time job. It's like how can I disconnect with the most people because I'm understanding you know your network is your net worth rating reading these books and I'm sure people have heard that before but but I took it ultimately like serious and I committed to it right and talking about like full commitment I will say how can I connect with quality people. How can I cut out all the negative influences in my life? It was during that moment where I've always had a lot of friends in high school. I cut everybody out like period. I got rid of my TV. I cancelled all my stop playing xbox I was was four committed to like how can I read three books a month. Four bucks a month. How can I follow? All these are people in the audience and start generating residual income from this thing. Like that was my focus. Doc is every day the minute I got out of high school until twelve at night and repeat for that whole year and long story short. This is something that really important that happened along. My journey was I started reaching out to local reporters in my area because at the time I wanted to tell my story I'm learning about PR. And how can I get my message out there to build a following. So I'm on twitter at the time and I. I don't really use twitter too much now for like social but I follow. ABC Channel Eight News. It's like a local news station in my area and ABC Channel News. Had maybe ten thousand followers Alvarez. They're verified on twitter there following fifty people and it's all reporters in the local area and ice cold d m a custom message to every single reporter saying. Hey My name's Casey atoms and like eight months ago. I was in a neck brace super depress in my life where I was couldn't play football anymore and now I'm making money online and I'm sixteen years old and I'm I am. I just wanted to tell that story. 'cause I know it could be good for my personal brand. It would be good for like for PR purposes forty. Nine people either said no or didn't give back to me there was one one reporter that was like okay like sure. We'll come out with the news van and come to your house. I remember. It was the day before Thanksgiving my whole family was there and this. ABC Channel Eight News. Louis van and is reporter. Kerry O'Brien came to my house. Did a whole interview on me about like Social Media Interview was like cashing out on social media or whatever it is is like how. I'm making a couple of grand a month on social and they wanted to put it on. TV and I sold them on on the idea but important fact as during the interview I give a shout out to my wife Kayla. Matic's they were. ooh someone that motivated you to go. My Buddy killen matic's is fourteen right now. He's doing all this cool stuff. He was a big motivator for me and I said something quick but was what's it aired on TV. They do like a whole three minute segment on Kayla Matic's about Casey's Imphal cases mentors young kid Kalem addicts who has thirty eighty million views on facebook. And I do this whole segment on it so coming up with value. I two people I tech scalable Mike. Hey mantech others interview I did I got your featured in it. And it's like a three minute segment on Caleb now moving in December two thousand sixteen which is important he sees it he like. Wow man you should come to an event I'm doing in San Diego and speak on stage and tell the story about like snapchat and affiliate marketing and just social media so he hits me with that right after I sent him like this little interview link and at the time like I've never been to any sort of event that's I've never been on a plane before you know. I haven't been to a mastermind. This is all brand new to me and I'm like what do you mean. Tell me more. And he's a Yemen. There's this event taught at big mastermind. It's in San Diego. It's on the fifteenth of January. Like yeah just come out here. And I'm like booked the flights or hotels like no. Just just be here when you have like twenty five minutes on stage at talk and I'm like I saw that as a massive opportunity but okay. I'm making some money at the time but like my parents haven't been ever to California. They haven't traveled since they got married on our honeymoon. Twenty years ago he wants to see if you can find a way. Yeah yeah so this is the crumbs are leading to get there. How you GONNA get to figure it out? Yeah so this is what happened so it was it was in the wintertime and I remember It was like snowboarding in my injury came the point where I could continue to snowboard. I just couldn't be crazy but I run this by my parents right. Hey school's in session rice on me. Hey what do you think about me going out to San San Diego to speak at this event and there's like what do you mean no shut it down like they weren't just sounded like Oh this guy on social media you met even though they saw some things happening and I was making the money they didn't get it so my dad was like. Oh It's you know it's snowboard season. You should just go buy a snowboard. You're making some money now so no. I don't WanNa do that alley. What if I book your ticket to pay for the hotels and everything so my dad was like okay? You can either buy a snowboard or he'll yes I'll go with you if you pay from my plane ticket and I don't have to spend any money you know. My parents don't have extra money to travel. They never have so I was like done. I found the best lights and I remember. It was like fifteen hundred dollars. Total Book Hotel Telford. Tonight's and book our plane tickets round trip. And it was like the scariest thing I've ever done. It was like just making some money and to spend fifteen hundred dollars to fly me and my dad out to California. It was just like absurd. Like my brother's really going to California. They're they're getting. Like what do you mean unraveling from Regina California's around the world of that time for my family. So I do it. And I'm like Yup I'll be there. Caleb and Long Story Short January thirteenth comes around. I fly out to San Diego California. The first time I've ever travelled and it's just I I I have so much momentum and just like my confidence is like okay. I'm taking these steps of what I need to do. Like action right. You've just spending the money where I just kind of scary scary to do right and I think the little the little decisions dictate the big decisions right like if I didn't make that decision at sixteen years old and fly to California. I wouldn't be sitting in this room in base on what happened prior to that so I go to this event I'll always January thirteenth and that's actually where I met Dan Fleischmann and A lot of people from tyler his team. Where are there in that Adams and all these different people that I've now consider mentors and friends of mine and I speak onstage? Not Knowing who any of those people are I know it who Dan flush from was or they followed Gerard for awhile but this brand new to me like I said and it was just so I don't know how what networking is really. You know walking up to someone introducing yourself. I've always been social but I wasn't that kid. That was going to these issues of problem. Because a lot of kids and I'm experiencing this have an issue of walking up to someone and saying hi. Hi because they're so used to. DM in or they're used to talking to someone by commenting on on their social media. And that's and that's a problem and speak to those people. Please totally 'cause it's important this networking that you're about to talk about. In the relationships you can only go so far deem can only go through so far with a comet homage right. It's important in well. That's the thing is people act of face to face interaction. We're very weird man. I don't know how to act to just their whole life is on social media and facebook and instagram and comments and chat and whatever. That's how they right. They are so consumed by that type of communication. Like then get in front of somebody. You're often right now. What am I supposed to do really really not supposed to be like that at all and I remember I have a stepdaughter is twenty one years old okay I go through this and we? She's all right. She saw Nick Santona Donoso inside a Taco place in South Tampa. Okay everybody knows who that is. If you don't go back to the episode with Nick it's Amazing Nixon there. She texts me. She says Knicks here. I said okay. I text them right away. I go my daughters in there. Sean say she left seems to hide them know what she's like. I didn't know what to say to him. I don't want to interrupt them. No doing what most are doing at your age stopped doing this and I love her to death. But it's like this. They're literally scared. Scared to talk to someone. So it's important that you please talk to them because there's a lot of people who not even just nineteen year olds not even just twenty year. Olds there's thirty forty yards in the gym that literally make comments on my stories. They will not even talk to me. It's weird yeah absolutely. Yeah Man. The thing that's important in Sadr items put a piece of content. Recently he said the new off flying the new online is offline and me at sixteen going to this event I always heard in your power of association and the five people you spend the most time with you become that person so like for me social media. I never looked at it as the end goal. I looked at it as the tool right. I I can use it to meet people and truly connect with people like that. Was My goal just real quick as we move forward the story like my goal from day. One wasn't how can I associate and have these quality people blooming number that I could call and ask a question to could potentially help them in any way potentially can with value. I can provide in that moment to people that I can learn from it. I knew social social media is cool but when you turn off your phone. Swipe away from instagram. It's like who really knows you right. I didn't Wanna I never wanted to get caught up in like oh you know I want to just follow this person. Talk took him once or twice. That's why like coming out. Here is big deal for me so we could really meet and connect because we know a lot of the same people and from an early age. I truly wanted to get to know people face to face you know when I played sports. It was not about what you talked about after the game. It's like next face off or the next play like that matters so for me I was like how can I meet New People. How can I truly connect with people boy and I didn't know how to do it at the time? It was more so just okay. This event cool people are there in fact. That's important at before I go to this event San Diego. I'm going through like Tyler. Peasants Social Media Marketing Program so it was the second thing that I got from Thai. Dan was a teacher in there. And I've seen Dan on stuff. I've seen some of Jerry Haynes in there a couple of different people that I've recognized from just is learning this like facebook ads or whatever it was at the time so I go to this event and this is like a massive pivoting point from me in my life and I want people listen to think about like. Has this happened in in your life. Has there been a pivoting point that you can think on that. Truly set the tone moving forward because this was for me. This was this only two days on there for one full day and Desert tonight's me. Caleb speak meet Dan you know. I'm walking around in the most fearful. Hey My name sounds great to meet you and I'm a speaker here you know 'cause I spoke earlier in the day or whatever so now everyone was coming up to me and I have to like. Oh yeah great to meet you. What do you do? And it's more so something that I was asking. Caleb like hey how do you approach this. I was just asking questions for me. It's always from early age and I think for me now even with podcast. I continue to ask questions. Because it's like the quality of the questions you ask determines the quality of life you live and I want to ask the right questions so I never permitted about me. It was about. How can I learn from people? How can I stay connected with people so I meet right? Dan and long story short. I come back to Virginia from this event a- amazing experience and I looked at that and I was like okay like that happened and I can build from this just randomly. The Night I get back I cannot make this up the night I get home. It's the January fifteenth. I think around like eight or nine at night. I Send Tilapia D. M. on instagram. And at the time I maybe have you know five ten thousand dollars. I'm starting to build his brand. Ah verified I don't have any credibility to hit him up in act like I'm going to get a response you know. He has millions of followers. I hit him say Haitai. My Name's Adams I'm sixteen years old and about a year ago I was so I got injured. Playing football and neckbrace super depressed. I started following your content following your programs and now make again ex a month and I just spoke an event with tyler. Pez Are not within freshman and Kayla mathematics and all these people that he's aware of and I wanted to say thank you so much for just he's putting out content doing what you do. It was just an appreciation message right like value. I you're saying thank you ten minutes later. and Lo he hits me back up tell me more. Tell tell me more about your story. He was saying so. Then I send them this quick paragraph. I'm like refreshing the INSTAGRAM. And making sure it's the real tie and he's the one that I've just been following for a while someone okay this is like this his surreal. So I I like you know. Response I got from is looked at him as a mentor. So long story short. I sent him this message from Virginia. I got almost AH paralyzed. Almost paralysed play football and I started following your content long story stories is cool man. You should come to L. A.. And shoot a video with me. Text me he gives me his number. So this is what's about to happen right and I didn't really know what to expect attacks. The next morning I mean I think it was things called. AP was the second period of the day where you can kinda get some stuff done for fifteen minutes. I got a text and it was like. Hey Casey. This is my from the knowledge society. Tyler team we're here this Texas. The person invites you to his house. Can you send me over your flight flight information or information that we can book your flights and get everything scheduled and I'm like I'm sending another text back eight mile. Thanks so much by the way I'm sixteen right now. Is there a way that you could fly me and my mom out there one of my parents to make it out there. Because I wasn't able to travel by myself at the time so they agreed to it so the next day I go I go home that day after school. My mom you believe is right this dude he wants to fly me out to la shoot video with me and they just shuts it down hoses dies the fly you across the country go to his house big house and shoot a video with you know. That's so sketchy you know all these thoughts in her mind. Oh you're going to get kidnapped. Another scam whatever. It is so then long story short. I always tell people the hardest sale I've ever had to make is with my mom on letting on traveling with me to Los Angeles California -Fornia for like two days all expenses paid and long story short. She agreed to it. We got to ties house. I end up seeing Dan again there and I just keep showing up in. These is places where I've seen multiple people on different occasions. So see Dan again there. I meet tie he. He shot me on instagram. I I was able to really build a solid foundation from him. And he interviews me we. We do a little youtube interview and he puts it out there and he has this massive audience right and I'm a sixteen year old kid and more so at testimony for him right. That's what he wanted and it but it benefited me a lot. It really set the tradition the trajectory for the next six months for my life because I met a mentor there named Jd Gross. who was at the time of his top students that was crushing? It and making taking seven figures a year through his agency which Tyler has was teaching and Jason Gross he was like these twenty two and hey he met my mom and long story short. That was like the the relationship that I got there and I fly back to Virginia. Now I'm just like going and Sam I all. These ideas are rushing and my how can I continue to put myself in rooms like this. You know because I I'm I'm feeling so much. Momentum in being around people and I ended up seeing Dan again and all. This cool subs happening in back home with for like a high school perspective. I'm like in. La Meeting Eating Tampa is on a Saturday in math class on a Monday. This was the judiciary for the next. Two years of my life is starting to meet people so this is important. The next and I'll kind of speed it up the next next twelve months. That happened February twenty seventeen where Thai flu meow. I dedicated for the next. I would say until the end of two thousand seventeen to fly out to L. A. or to go to an event vet at least once a month 'cause reinvesting money I was making from affiliate marketing or whatever it is at the time just reinvesting to buy tickets to events and flying wherever it was whether allows New Yorker L. A. to truly meet people in in these circles because Dan he was always like. Oh I'm having this event here or here in a and I'm just building these relationships that are truly the opening. My is to what's possible and tie. That's really important to me. He said you can go to events or you can throw events but if you do both your network will expand at a very rapid rate. So for for the next month's I'm selling my parents on like every other. It was like literally once or twice a month. I'm sue I'm like mom. Can I please Miss Friday and Monday of school and fly out to L. A.. And stay with my buddy buddy Jason. Who's going out there for an event and I I just go to all these different events and I call it just the game showing up right like you can't do that on social you know when you when when I was? Let's say enjoy each other at an event four times of the next three months like you begin you get familiar with people right and you they truly you can start to build with them. So that's what I did. I literally was working on social to then go to L. A. to prevent to meet people and that was twenty seventeen thousand foundation. Oh you're for me to just travel travel more in that year than I did in my entire life you know and more than my family has their entire life. But I say this to say this if you're listening right now you you have to become addictive with what you're doing. I went to this one event and it just let this spark at the beginning. How can we light a spark under someone's today that get them motivated for me? It was like seeing what's possible by I saw like the input output of something. I like to break it down like this. My input to San Diego and then send 'em became the output of him flying me out and there was like I I saw something happen right. You know. It wasn't just like it was an instant result more seven. I believe it's something that the timing connecting connecting. You're connecting the dots. So I love it. It's like it's like Hey I am using my money that you're reinvesting in yourself and your relationships right yeah you you are saying. I'm doing civilian marketing thing. Making five thousand dollars a month but I know I can get to be making twenty grand thirty ran and plus a month if I can just build relationships so the two grand that I've three ran that I made and I'm GonNa Reinvest own most of this money into just going back To meet more people getting in front of the right people in the right rooms creating relationships networking events. Because you see that. Okay People Orla all you you you make good money. Why would you go then and spend all this money on travel? We not just throwing it all away. No I'm spending money. That's smart money money's spent money and I'm reinvesting it so I can go meet more people which is making me the money and as I expand this network more more mastermind that we have so hard to get people to understand the value. That like. You're making good money now. Just imagine if you can plug into all these resources the networks from all these other people. It's an investment. Yes but it's like you put a certain amount of money in and then if it's invested in the right types of events in the right the type of relationships than out the other side comes you know. It's like sausages one side rush crank machines and then you get salsas lengths on the other side right. Like here's is it expected result like I. I'm I'M GONNA put for every dollar that I invest intended attended these events. I can see that I'm GonNa get another ten five ten bucks on the other side right. It's it's an investment. It wasn't no return on investment right. And you're smart enough to see that that K- basically just gonNA keep reinvest the money that I'm making into expanding my network Yup Yup and then boom there that before you know then the amount of money you're making super exceeds so much more than the money you're spending fights and travel hundred percent every single person at this table. Well done that. So that was I wrote that down so he just hit on that so I WANNA make sure we back because these are actionable steps. No matter your age doesn't matter what it is. There's one right there. Another one was okay. You said why not me. You said this person's doing this then why not mean I remember going through that myself saying to myself back back when I wanted to personal train I remember saying to myself. Why does that guy have freedom? Why does he drive around brand new lexus? Why does he walk in my gym and train? Someone and he doesn't even work for the gym. Jim Why is it that I'm here with my hanger with my long sleeved shirt going into a restaurant. Working my butt off literally have no life. Why why is that guy? What makes him better than me? And I remember saying that like you. Did okay. Granted it was a little bit later in life. Because I I wasn't I wasn't smart enough to seek out till very how you say something bad happens to you for me. It was a divorce that really opened my mind like literally. Okay Yeah I can't be a single data and restaurant it's not gonNA happen. Yeah so it took me longer but man. I remember that happening so for people at home. Actionable steps right now. Why are you not looking at people around you in whatever it is that is super like inspiring to you and saying to yourself? Why not mean why do they we have it in me? Why does she have a Louis Vuitton Person? I don't right I remember my wife saying that. Okay I remember that like yesterday. She couldn't we couldn't afford that at all now scum multiple ones. Okay but why is it. It's important for people to be doing that. Challenge yourself literally say that because if you're not saying that you're stuck and a revolving door of either whatever it is in your job slave to the paycheck. Okay another one that you said. I think this is important if your mom and dad had our old school which most of them are because our moms and dads. Don't come from the era of technology and you go to them with some of these crazy things in their mind that they think that's going to be crazy. You're not going to get the answer from them to support that because they don't understand it it's not that they don't love you want the best for you in. What they know is not that it's not getting on a plane flying out to La for two days and doing what? I can only imagine bombs question. Everything I've ever done to the point where I finally super exceeded her questions to appoint. She's just like I I don't have to worry about you. Know more right you're going to over deliver over execute. She thinks I'm crazy still to this day but it takes crazy to be the one percent. Yeah right so I wanted to hit home on that. Those are the three things and Joel. You hit on that investing in yourself your genius frigging nineteen years old. You took look the money the thousands of dollars which most people would say a rich to a kid. Yeah that's rich right. I know because I'm dealing with one and and you sit there and and you had this money no you took it and invested back when you shut the world out. I'm not GonNa Watch. TV Video Games. I'm not going to hang around losers. I'm going join to try and now look at you. Yeah the Y.. Class doesn't need to be The material things. So why does he drive that car while she had that purse or whatever it can just be that guy have freedom to just be here with that was one of us is right at work that was one for me this guy pops in here with flipflops on everyday. Ah Guy Behind the counter right. It's going on you know I realize yeah I just remember like my older. It's funny because I thought about before I was successful. My ultimate vision. My best friend owns a chick-fil-a and he was like at the time you know. Don't really well from self off mixers year. And he's he's amazing. Do A chick-fil-a a chick-fil-a one single chick-fil-a store the joint point nine million hit nine million dollars saying yes this while we were years ago. We're are- Annetta corrobos or something like that. And I asked him what was the annual revenue hair was three point five or something like that in a quick service restaurant they call it quick service fast food right healthier but as soon as nine dollars a year. He's he went from doing six. And a half half something to almost nine million. This guy's doing this growing every single ears incredible but anyway back in the day when the you know he he was the youngest operator ever in the chain I mean if he was twenty s. I stole I'll back in the day I looked at. I said man when I when I have true freedom what I wanNa do who is because I would always wake up and hit a store about twenty five minutes away. The store that he had and I'd always in the summertime. I had freedom because I it was teacher I would get up and I would drive overtook fillet just hanging out while free. Just shoot the crap apples. Whatever in flip flops on my pajamas you know and I was like man? I just want to be able to do this every day. You know that was. That was my vision of life. When when I'm successful I can just get up in my pyjamas my flip flops? And Rolling the Chileans hanging out you know and then and then Mozilla about my day over. I want to do it right in the summer. I could do that. which is grateful for time but during the school year I wake up? I was up at five thirty in teaching my first class at seven a. m. you know a no freedom freedom no freedom I was just had to be there at seven. AM every day BRECON. Beer at the biggest blessing of entrepreneurship is that. I don't have to be anywhere anytime ever right. I choose I choose it now. I work harder than I did when I was a teacher. You know but at least I make the choices you you know. I've I much rather have the freedom to be in control worm at what. I'm doing what I'm doing. I was on Justin Shanks podcast the other day recording and he said demean what are you. What do you say about success? What would you say? A definition successes and one of the things I said was this multiple but the one thing I'd say is do what you want when you want and have the money to do it right. That is absolutely success Alright do what you want. When you want and have the money to do it now I want to say something? You know the gentleman that I told you about the Lexus. And all that right. Yeah okay. My goal was to trump that and my moment came. My big moment came when I was I was basically taking the personal training business and working to work on the business instead of in the business and so and I hired Betas culion and Creole Valentine to be my coaches. Thanks to Joel and I remember the moment when this Joel says to me. He goes Bro. You WanNa go get some lunch all right now. You're ready for this. We're getting the car and going to get no lunch at some restaurant. No no I had one T-REX training session at the gym that I hadn't converted converted. Someone else yet. Okay I had to be back for that. I literally brought my bathing suit my tank top and him and I at his old house. which was babe? Ruth's house that he had jumped on jet skis drove in the ocean over to the dances. This is are. We parked the JETSKIS which we didn't do a good job of that because they started fly away. We party Jet Skis. We went up. We ordered lunch sitting there. There's nobody else they're it's literally. We have the whole entire hotel to ourselves okay. It's a Tuesday. I remember like yesterday. It was a Tuesday afternoon and I looked right at him when we were sitting there and I looked at him knowing knowing and a couple of hours have to be back at the gym. Do that last session. Okay so what. I didn't care and I looked at him and I said Dude. I'm GonNa remember this moment for the the rest of my life. It will never go away now on. podcast I trump that guy. That guy still doing that. I love him to death. He won't change his ways but he loves what he's doing and he's fulfilled filled and I've hooked him up with many high clients and Tampa. That people wanted me to train them and I gave back because values what it's all about man. That guy took time but I remember that like you're saying I say to myself what what is he doing. I'm not doing and why does he have that. And then I just told you the story about that now we can go. I mean we're in Africa hanging out. We're all over the place. I'm just saying though that was like a moment for me and I want people at home to have this vision that you can do that. Have have this vision that you can do like what Joel told you heated flipflops Senator Chick-fil-a and make it every day. Right now you can do that right literally. Like look at you man. You're sitting sitting here. You're coming from one hundred fourteen degree weather and now you're not in that and you're hanging on podcast. You're probably making money while you're sitting here. I bet you know the way that you run your business. So man have big goals out there set them in. Just get pissed. Why do they have it? And I don't have it. I did and it worked out. Awesome awesome there stuff all right. Let's go ahead and try you. You mentioned kind of hear anything else. You WanNa say about route to take us a little further on his story or yeah I would say because I would say more so the last eighteen months has been like a massive shift for me when it comes to moving out and with Bill Empire so thing though was GonNa Events Yeah people have an and building your network I did. I started going to events every single month. La from all and who you know people who don't get this. And I wanted to report to the people that have already met Dan Question. He's a mentor in my life. And it's I met him at the first event and now I've I've seen them at so many events and John his birthday parties and all the events that he's thrown he's gladly spoke at all events hosted now album. It's like building rapport with the people that I truly want to learn from it has been the key and from February to September in two thousand seventeen I went to a bunch of events but then I decided to have my own event with my buddy Kieran. Who's from Virginia that we met online and this is important? Because this now leads to what I'm doing now with hosting events in how it's drone we decided to have networking event event. And we were like it was. It wasn't like a speaking event it was. Hey we have this. We're going to get this AIRBNB and we have to pay someone to airbnb because we're too young to get it ourselves so so we're doing all this stuff to get this location and just invite people to from social media. We're friends with obvious. Different youtubers now in different entrepreneurs and hundred fifty people end up showing coming up from like a couple swipe bumps on instagram and one hundred fifty people. It was like forty seven dollar tickets and we just wanted to charge to cover for the AIRBNB and the food that we got it. We just created created this more so experience and I kind of fell in love with the aspect of what Dan tell me. I saw Dan Freshman and he's having these events and he's the guy that he's still having the events. Everyone ruin knows Dan and he he's built this. I would say this ambience of like okay like as went to events and long short. Okay I WANNA start hosting my events. I have great people might network now. Now I know I can I deliver value and I can actually build an audience and they can come to the event. It's valuable for people to speak there right so long. Short had that one that we do it in La and and there was like two hundred fifty km the founder of mice bays. Tom Came and all these different people. Dan was there he's spoken. It was more so at the same airbnb style and that was where I met my a business partner. Now John Lott at and we acquired builder empire like four months later but at the time of hosting these events in two thousand seventeen we did too and it kind of opened my eyes like hey I want continue throwing events for the rest of my life because me being able to cultivate this energy from the network I have now and just putting people in a room and having the leverage from a social audience now to do so I I fell in love with that aspect because the more I was doing it not on the more money I was making but the more people quality people that I could truly build with. We're coming into my life. And maybe Dan new a speaker that he he'd want to come and show about the little panel that we're doing and more so I found this process that I wanted people to regarding like just podcasting and building relationships tips. I call it the pullback method of like when I meet someone a social media and talked to someone one time on a DM cool you can talk so real quick. Awesome when you invite someone on a podcast and we'll get to the podcast and the second you can talk to the from an hour and a half two hours and you actually get to know someone like we're doing right now but then for me my my step three was like okay now. I want to start hosting events so that after I interview a bunch of different people on a podcast I can say hey. I'd love to have you come speaking event and after this is how I look at it now after I take someone through that process I consider consider them truly someone in my network that I can really build with that. I truly know they're done to help me. I want to help them. And it's it's overall allowed me to cultivate so many relationships just through that process but like deep in real relationships. If I WANNA call someone at two in the morning like they'll pick up right so for me that process I've discovered for myself but it's always been important for me because the more repetitions in the more I show up with different people in my network. It's allowed me to grow and build those relationships deeply. I'd say yeah.

football Casey Adams sports Virginia Dan Aka kilmore hockey Phoenix California Facebook Philip Morris Florida Amazon Gary V depression Tim Ferriss Gary Tampa China ABC News
Ep.006 Joel Denver

Chachi Loves Everybody

1:28:05 hr | 8 months ago

Ep.006 Joel Denver

"He says hills that. I said I said, it's time for me to fly by speedwagon. He's els REO speedwagon. He says. Is that record? He says get that off the radio station. He says find how I'm with the ten minutes he says find a phone and get that record off the radio station. So you've got your fresh. Pick him up the airport now. You gotta find a payphone to call studio. Ah, what do you think in yourself? I think. Come President. Dave CIANCI. Dennis loves radio and all of his radio friends. Hey everybody because shot. She loves everybody. A! We're all right. Let me let me kick this thing off your mind. one welcome Joel Denver. Who just is a? Terrific I'm really excited to have this conversation, but let's let's start. Actually had someone give me a little bit of feedback on the podcast? And I want to listen to the listen to the feedback to make sure this podcast sounds good as it possibly can, but someone setting to do a better job, basically Kinda just setting the table so first and foremost and get some business, and then we're GONNA we're. We're GONNA. Chat Okay Great. Joel Denver for those of you who don't know and I can't believe as many people that don't know, but President Publisher and Co founder of the all access music group. He founded it in nineteen, ninety five, and it's now the number one destination for both the radio and music business sites where I go everyday. Actually sometimes times. Thank you get everything from news and ratings. reading your power interviews, but just a great site. I can't wait to talk more about that. We're going to break this up into basically and I hope you don't mind, but I put your life into three different chapters so chapter one GonNa Talk About Your Radio Career Okay Chapter Two I. WE'RE GONNA. Go into our and your consulting and then chapter three all access excellent. That sounds good. That sounds like a lot of fun. It should be good. They're really appreciate the opportunity to do this all ninety guy. You're not getting off with this. Just you know asking me, you know. Put me on the huts. Deal you can. You can ask away. Let's kick it off. We have your favorite cocktail. What we drink We're drinking some Tito's and tonic with a couple little limes. Salute Salute to user there. You go D- drink in thinking, you know. We have the the icebreaker by the way. Thanks to Kevin our producer. This ice is really special. Kevin actually makes it. It's one big solid cube and It's completely crystal clear. He's got his own patented way of doing like that over my money on that okay. He's still working here unfortunately. Unfortunately for him. But Let's talk so much to cover in your life and by the way thank you. It's the very first day and something. I just greatly respect what you do for your entire staff. Joel closes down for the vast majority of December and we're right now. It's Wednesday is the eleventh today Yup. And you've now shut down for the rest of the year and your first day vacation. Come to see me. I'm sorry to ruin that. This is good I. Mean Listen I've got I've got a I've got. Meetings and things you know I'm kind of like. I just. Stop you know I'm I'm going on vacation. WE'RE GONNA to Dominican Republic el Fantastic, absolutely not taking the computer, so I'm Gonna I'm GonNa. Really try and step back. I mean to have the phones have the. Thing sure. But I'm definitely GONNA. Train the you know. Step back from all. Where did this whole thing start taking the whole month off I? Honestly I look up to you for doing it because I think it's such a great morale builder, and all of us work so hard during the, but that's not being a business owner myself. That's not an inexpensive proposition it. It isn't you know what it comes down to is the charts. Charts you know basically last you know. Add Day, you know. We collect you know the the industry basis everything upon airplay, an ads which are commitments to airplay, and when they stop taking those reports, we go like okay. We get a break and this year always works on the calendar. Sometimes, it's two weeks sometimes. It's three weeks this year. It's three weaker and you know because there's no other business to get out there. Nobody else's chasing music at this point Maybe some of the labels I think are still open and working a couple of things I mean. They basically get a couple years off, so it's kind of like you're. You're adjusting to the Just the the business you know I mean the businesses. All takes a boss, so you gotta take a pause. I don't mind doing it. I mean. I'll listen I like the time off and staff loves the time off so good they do we work, yes, you. You know some of your staff members Matt and Paul Right. You're being humble about it and I'm sure a large part is what you say, but I also know that's A. It's a really nice gesture on your part to your employees, and I think that that's incredibly admirable. Move I'm I'm really blessed. I mean the staff is just terrific. a lot of been with me twenty plus years I mean we start our twenty fifth year in January Alma. Congratulate, thank you. That's a you radical. So nineteen ninety-five, yeah, so it's I mean just sort of snuck up on us and what we need logo. So, we did that in the last minute that we're looking at those how it's GonNa. Look on the site on January first and stuff and I'm GONNA put a little story up there and just. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, so it's like what I mean I really haven't. you know done a whole lot of other things around. It's like a I'm proud about it. I'm I'm humbled about it and you know and we're blessed, we're. We're really blessed at powerful people like what we do well. Thanks for thanks for making us other guys that don't give their staff off the Olive December. Look like Shit but. You got a high bar now. Right, Okay Muko thirty one. A personal story about you and again just I think speaks volumes about what a terrific human being you are, and then we'll get into your whole career here as you know. I was the program director of my FM. Slash K big and Can't believe it's GONNA be years by the time we release this. It'll be eleven years. I I was laid off was on President Obama's inauguration day, and it honestly just Kinda t-bone me. It hit me out. I wasn't expecting. It was kind of looking back at it. Probably a lot of EGO, and I should've seen it coming, but I did not at any rate. You learn as I'm sure many of us have in this industry when you are no longer in a position to find out who your friends are Oh. Yeah, in who your friends aren't and never forget you reaching out to myself and one of my. My dear friends are up, and you invited us out to Malibu and you took us to lunch I. The restaurant right there on the ocean down that Little Cove, that's Paradise Cove Paradise, cove and I will never forget you doing that and I thought that was just such a cool thing and I wanted you to know how much that meant. Thank you, thank you. It's you know it's it's funny. You know I know a lot of people, and and it's been I'm blessed in a lot of people, but you know you pick up on a vibe on people as as you go through life and stuff like that. That and I always had a nice friendship and vibe about UNRWA. Come on out man. It's like it was just it just seemed like the right thing to do and just go hang out a little bit and get away from it because I mean and you know it's just You know I'm Kinda blessed that you know that you know. were we were in the location where people WANNA to come out and visit us and stuff like that, so it just made a lot of sense, and it was happy to do that and put a smile on your face. That was good, so you know that's that's you know. Know you you, you really don't get a whole lot of gratification daily in life, but if you feel you have made a difference for somebody. That's a great deal of gratification. Eleven years later, man I absolutely remember that and honestly changed my course of action on how I reach out to people and I make it a point to send them a card I. for a while I was actually sending a book called we were fighting was called fired up, and it was a story Harvey mccade written a book, and it was I think fifty different stories of people had been let go and then went on to do amazing. And I honestly I learned that from. You know we'll thank you appreciate that it's must see that like likewise my friend, let's let's get into right and your in your childhood, so we're going to go into chapter one. The radio portion of your career, so you're fifteen years old, right and you land your first. gig At I N X in Rockville Maryland. Winks out of that, come about, how did you? How did you get interested in radio? Well I was a really weird thing happened I got up from the dinner. Table One night and my left leg decided not to work. And it was like really. I mean it was I really was limping around and as a as a child has a fourteen. Oh my gosh and And it was it was, and we went to doctor, and he says I. Had Limited stuff that they didn't have cat scans and stuff like that back then. So he put me in the hospital. And they're going. GonNa do some. You know some testing and stuff like that. And there was a an and meanwhile I mean. My League atrophied to the size of my arm very fast holy moly. I mean at fourteen I be. It was a free, was really I? I can't remember there's a panic about about. It was concerned. I'm a mom was very concerned. And I was you know and I got? It was a walk around on crutches, so they put me in the hospital and they decided to do. to do some testing and stuff like that and I remember one night. I was sitting there and I had no feeling in the leg either, that was the other thing that was interesting, so it wasn't just tactile feeling. It was like you could punch on it and you wouldn't I wouldn't. I just was dead. Paralysis. It wasn't quite a process because I could move it some I couldn't move my toes. I could move the leg slightly, but it didn't have any strength in it. So I'm sitting there in November I. Remember this very very vividly. They came in and I was watching war of the worlds on television. Okay, and the guy next moves a construction guy and he screwed up his arm, so he was a big cast this before they did, but you know laproscopy surgery or that you know that ensure really cut you up back then. And were watching more of the world's, and this guy says he's going GonNa. Go examine your foot a little bit and I. Said Okay finds watching it up there and. I hadn't felt it, but he had like. You know ten army square needles punctured into my leg and foot, and all this and he says you didn't feel any of that. Did you know? I. I mean he I mean those are. There's a big long needles and they were square. They weren't than they make. They make a little mark on. You know when you want to punch him in there and and I and I said well. Why did you do that? He says well. He's one of your doctors thinks that you're faking. Pieces says he says. You're not fake. He says this is that would have made a grown man wince. He says he says look at this. And he had one of them like jammed into like the arch of my foot, own my God, so anyway, so two days later this scheduling for some surgery, and the the the the did done a series of x rays, and they said we think you have a fatty deposit over here on the left side of your leg. And that's what I did. have had this large fatty tumor. It was pressing on the on that nerve, and so they win. It was not a long surgery, but they have a scar and soon loans about twelve twelve inches long on the left side of my leg. Nyanda yeah, and the and the X is that that fatty tumor out of benign yet thank God and and you know when I left the hospital, F hospital crutches and special shoe with a brace alkai like third looks like forrest Gump kind of race yeah. Yeah. It's like you know and you know and it was ugly shoes wear and stuff like that so I'd ride missed like three weeks of school, so I mean I you know I caught a Lotta either taunting or or sympathy when I got back to school, but anyway, but during the during my time in the hospital I get very very bored with. TV, and I started listening to radio, and I just started calling up. The you know the request lines and stuff like that and being pain in the ass, you know. And And a wins they had a thing called requested matic and. WBZ But they had the instant request. It winks, and so I was always on all of those things and the midday guy at winks, Hanavi just became friends, and he says he says he's what are you doing like? Are you not like working in? My voice had already dropped and I was doing these things. Elisa said I'm not Oh, my God I said I wanna get into radio. So, he says well. He says you know I'll tell you a little secret I'm leaving here on a Monday go work at W.. D. O. N., which is up in Wheaton Maryland at. Like five minutes from where I lived, so my mom brought me in to me to meet him and got the crutches, and all that stuff and I and I we were talking and stuff, and as I, said I, WanNa learn to do what you're doing. So we cut a deal that if I would come in on Saturday nights and file his albums away because he went to work for a good music station W. O. and was a good music station at that time and. He said and he said he said if you'll come in and do that, he says I. He says will teach you how to run a control board so I used to. Fi- was every Saturday night for like months I would go up there and file his albums so at midnight on Saturday night. He get right out of there and go home. And he taught me how to run control board, and critique my tapes and stuff and then I. was this obnoxious and I. Walked went to in once at brace came off my leg with a couple of weeks later. I just want every radio station and the jury bowling who worked for is for many many years. Litter urban section at aren't at all access. He was doing mid days at W. O. L. in Washington. So I took a bus down there and it was like it was like studio like here with like you in the lobby. Studio Window there and I was as window liquor standing out. There is like precedent, my nose against the glass, and and there's jury building. And he finally came on out and says hey, how you doing I'm Dr Jerry, bowling, you know nonstop and said Hi Manam you know. Joel and Blah Blah Blah and he said well come on in, and I sat there with him for like a half hour or something like that in. We've talked about you know when he was alive. We used to talk about that years ago, but he took an interest in me. And I really am knocked on every door in town I finally just. Knocked on, you know this is my favorite little radio station just up the road in Rockville and they finally relented and says all right. We'll enter on the God squad on Sunday morning. So. That was like it was like the first thing you had to I had a fifteen minute newscast. So this back during there's a teletype, okay so. I'd come in and the ran the all night show from the from the transmitter, because he had to have a first class license, and they would hire somebody in that a little ramshackle studio down there and he'd take. He would tell you would watch the meter readings on this am radio station. Anyway, so I'd get in the morning and there was like just tons of unattended AP wire. Okay, stuff an ribbons stuff like that. And so I mean the first thing I do is like a fifteen minute newscast. I mean that was oh. You are actually doing the news. Oh, yeah, oh! Yeah, and then I had a half hour Jockan and then Iran Iran Board for this Guy Text Asbury Gospel favorites. I spun all these the all. That's you just like utility player Winks, Oh, yeah, absolutely, and then, and then I had another another hour of Jackson and then I off at noon. And? Then you know I, did that for a few weeks and they really they thought it was making really good progress, so they asked me to come in and and and do do overnights Friday night Friday night, Saturday, morning and Barry Richards who's a legend in our business? I've known Perry since in fifteen years old and I call Barry in my name on the Earth at that time. Was Rick Price and like that? That's a CREIGHTON. Anyway so. So. Why Call Barry on the hotline and I said Baria said this is rick. He says I know you. Are that little punk tarp part timer? WanNa midnight. He says yeah. Your first big shift, is it? Yep, and he says he's what he says. You can watch the production because you'RE GONNA. Come here and mess me up I. Okay, so I didn't care. I was GONNA. Argue I was a window liquor again and the production normal looking. At Barry Richards. The boss lots us. He was the biggest DJ in DC at the time. Anyway, he kept turning around, and he just waved me in there, and he says all right. Sit Down there at the end of the end of the, but don't say anything. He says I don't want. You fucked me up. fucks! It's all. About a pie. No right anyway, so Twenty minutes later he starts talking to me and we have been friends all of these years so I've known him since you know. Longtime so that's a friendship that last anyway, so it just you know it's just one of those things. You just I. Just you know I learned early on. Be You know be be precocious B be you know. Don't don't be afraid to put out there what you want. I've got to say Joe you're the first person to ever say to me that they got into the business because of a fatty tumor, I know right. I know all right I mean it was just I, just got bored with why? What a cool job! That would be played my favorite music and talk to people, and that's exactly how it. It works or your parents supportive on? My mom was very supportive. Yes, she drove me up there because I didn't have a license at fifteen. She dragged me all the time up. Here's the radio station and once it was in your blood or over. Yeah, there's something about this industry I think that does it to us. All and count can't quite, but my finger on it. Well, there's a thing. At the radio station this camaraderie, you know we all talk about the business, a lot of things to talk about there's the music. Oh my Gosh! How much fun is that? That's an excellent point you know. We get to go places and do things that most people don't do you. I've lived twenty lifetimes in this in this. Now, you have man and I'm excited to get into more of these stories. So how long are you at winks? I wasn't wings for about two years and helping organize the union there and they proceeded to fire me. Believe that the audacity. Fired me and I want across the street to a W. PG. See and my friend Davy Jones. who was a friend of mine? While it was winks. He and I are still friends to this day. and he got me in there and Dune weekends, and it was going to the University of Maryland and by that point. And I'll my buddy terry steele, who was back at winks? He says you know he says you know how to get out of there. He said you know he says. What are you GonNa Learn in college and he was right only did a semester in college and I said screw it I'm Outta here now is that I was at and Graduated College Address High School. One semester at University of Maryland and I went down off Virginia and that was where my full career started. In that, so you go to school? Your parents upset about you dropping out of school. In my muscles, whatever you WanNa, do she? She really had you. Do you have any siblings? Nope, just me. Gene Pool stops. How did you feel when you were? Let go. From winks was devastated. I was just devastated I was bummed. I cried my ass off I was really bummed, but you know immediately? The the opportunity was there to go to pg see so that's would've made me feel better pretty quickly landed on your feet. Quick. Yeah, and Yeah so this this point. You're excited about I, mean 'cause you're doing a little bit of everything news. You're on air. It's like. Production Yeah did any one thing speak to you more than something? Else I just love being on the air I was just I mean I really enjoyed it i. loved it I lived it, you know. I talked to people on the phones all the time I never let request lines going to answered I. Mean You know I? You know I did a lot of appearances I. Did you know when you know when I went down when winter off of Regina, that was the first thing that I was really made a lot of public appearances at because we had these his bar gigs and because of a Navy town. there's a lot of go-go bars. They're fun and so what you would do as you go in and cut it the Oh and we had a jock we had we had to go. Go jock sheet and. Rant a government a minute and a half long. And you got a quick mention and. Things ran five times a day for a full week. And you go in there and fifty bucks for that. Was Your fifty dollars awesome cessation? Let You keep it. Oh, yeah, it was great, and then you have to an appearance on top that sometimes not so just go and have a have a beer with the owner. And I was I mean I was making two fifty a week. Cash all. That's big money then. Are you kidding me in the seventy? S LSD large freaking does your late teens early twenty s at this moment You're just living high on the hog, and you know. And I went on and off Virginia, and it was a year and a half, and then I went to the next opportunity ahead was to go to big ways in Charlotte, and I work for the wonderful. You know G G Thomas I'll share and at the time it was really funny. Because legendary Scott, Shannon and Jay Thomas were battling for my services. They both wanted me to come work for them no way. Way Tell me about that for a second. That's so you've got I mean. I would be freaked out. I'm forty four and it'd be freaked out about that. You're in your early twenties on this is happening. So what's going through your mind? So Scott Shannon was the program director W. M. A.. K. IN NASHVILLE AM radio station with the miserable signal. You? Want me to do nights, and and at ways in Charlotte we're five thousand and one thousand one thousand night. We're six ten. We had a Montana Day and night, and in jail for twenty five dollars a week more, which was a ton of money back sure and so I did that, and you know Scott was like that. I won't cross paths somewhere down. The Scott talks you know. Here's the Scottsdale my friend of this day and J. Thomas I saw him a couple of years out here. We'd come got lunch every now and again. I saw him a couple years before he passed away and had a blast down, there was only there six months. Why why so short? somebody said there's a jock opening at W. F. I l. in Philadelphia now. Now bigger big time. And so Stan Kaplan who owned the radio station. Deal was why stayed there for a full year I? You know He picked up all the moving expenses, but I had to pay back, so I went into it. When I said is is opportunity to go to Philadelphia work at Wfan. He says he's he's. Moving costs back as yeah I know. Can we work out something on that? He says yeah. He says I'll just give it to you. He says good luck. And it was great, and I spent four and a half years of working for the one of the best people I've ever run across to my life Jay Cooke. I can't say enough about Jay Cook Jay. Cooke was a wonderful program director. Wonderful Friend Wonderful Mentor You know I learned a lot about how not only to be, but how not to be? I mean he had a tremendous amount of you. Because that's a gigantic John. You're going to at that. Time was Philly most twenty one years old. You're twenty one and the top ten marketing, and what was your position? There? I was doing the nine pm. To One am followed King. George Michael and George Michael got an opportunity about eight months into that job there to go to WABC in New York and do nights. He took it now. Georgia's also the music director so. Jay Cooke announced the staff me and he wants to be music. Is Duck my hand up and wave? Joel. You got it because nobody else stuck their hand up because a lot of work I mean. How are you at twenty one? You're in Philly. Great City I mean. What's your personal life? Right like life is like holy crap I'm working a lot and having a lot of fun. I was doing I was doing. I was doing dances on Friday nights. It was doing dances on Saturday. Night was doing dances on Sunday night I was just it was just great had a lot of fun. I'm like well time. You. Know one of my favorite dances was appalled. The Sixth High School in Collingswood New Jersey I bought the dance Georgie renamed four dates and I had to give the entire door really so like as a concert promoter type, thing or no. It was just you know we would. Just you know I was a dancer. Dance hops dancing was big in Philly. Okay, really big there, and all the DJ's had dances. You know, but I you know I. got this big one from drew I mean there are nights. We do fifteen hundred kids. So and I and I wanted to ramp it up a little higher so I started the dance contest every six weeks at giveaway albums which had access to. The winters winners were invited back in six weeks and they competed for Stereo Systems. She's. Big Promotion, yeah, and so so and then at the end of the year all of the six, all of the all of the series system winners came back for television sets. G and they would win based on their dancing ability now on audience audience. Okay, all right all right. Super the host noise. LIKE AMERICAN IDOL Voted Yeah how cool I didn't. So, how would you promote this? You would promote this on the air. We're allowed to do that. Oh, what a blast! She's so you're in your early twenties. You've got your own dance. Got Fifteen hundred kids coming through there every swelled up. We swelled up place one night to twenty four hundred kids cheese, right? That's crazy. It was nuts. And then actually would you DJ the event? Actually spinner okay, I a we call them hop jock and I had. And I had a spinner, and he terrific, and they bring the move music. They bring the equipment I pay them and I would just stand up there on Mike and Interact with the kids. What a great often man! This goes on for four years. Four and a half years. What happened I mean? I I, I left, got my first program director's job how she'd see at that point. Because now you're music direct news, so are you feeling more of a vibe for programming or I just felt a vibe to move up. You Know Charlie. Lake who was still my dear friend. Charlie's programmed all over America at that time, he was direct national program director for Bartell Broadcasting. And He said to me, said Hey, he says Isa's. How'd you like to go to Miami or Saint Louis I said well. I said Miami sounds like more funny says he says you're going to walk into hell down there. He said you sure you want to do that I. said I'll come on man. I can do this, so I did walk into hell. It was a really messed up. Radio station was wrong with it everything. No disrespect to my friend Jerry Clifton Jerry Clifton. Was the program director ahead of me? And Jerry had announced and giving away tickets to. Two different concerts that never came off, so the city was pissed. They're in trouble with the FCC. What do you mean never came? The conscious never even happened never happened contracts warm. Just know because they had no budget. Oh, Jeez, this sounds like the pre fire fest. Oh yeah, yeah, so there was, and they were in trouble for a couple of other things that had happened. There was it was a it was a was I. Remember the guy's last name, but it was go find Greg. You know where he was going. He was out on the bay and the Biscayne Bay. where he was going next, you won money while there was a squall that came up that afternoon and. he disappeared off the map and he was actually safe, but they let it continue for a day and a half on man, and had got found out, and they eventually took the license from the stay. She a license for a while I didn't now. It's now power ninety six. You know, but I mean it's not wpro so when you come in all this had happened, but they still have the license Oh. Yeah Oh. Yeah. That didn't happen till I left. I went to and went to I moved into the company. I. Fix Day I. Fix this station and a year we were battling against a legendary why one hundred and bill. Tanner who was an amazing DJ. Dj and and Program Director Amazing Race Market Miami's yeah, and so we we actually beat him in Dade County, which had never been done, and we focused on Hispanic leaning teens at was our focus. You know why one hundred was. The was in Broward. County, which is the more suburban audience on thanks of their playlist was a little less DANC-, but we focused really heavily dance music, and you know and stuff like that and reaction records, and we had hundred true start. We had one hundred thousand t shirts that were given. We had access to when I walked into the radio station. There were stacked in my officers stacked in the hallways. It was ninety six X and coke. And were great. T shirts. They're red and you know logo on our logo on the front. The back was this new era or this is just you know anyways to skip skip. Tash was the sales manager looked great. I said. What do we have to do? How do we have to give these away so anything you want to do, so you we used to do. We used to give away t shirt blasts, and so we would roll down Miami or any of the any the the parking lots and we would just start shocking out the back and people are running along grabbed their every these dangerous everywhere so. But the the first thing when I when I remember I got to the radio station. And the the the key to the station. And I got into the station and I walked in, and it was a welcome note from him a couple of notes about a couple of things. And there was this big huge box and was filled with files, and he says don't give away anything on the air until these are all taken care of one of these and you know it was. It was unfulfilled winners. So it was like thousands of them. You know some of these people had won multiple albums. It was a multiple. You know the. Stuff, so they were just giving away things that they didn't have A. Prize to back it up. oh, my God, and so we're while you're there. Obviously you've got the stress in running the station station around, but are you involved now with things going back and forth the FCC? No, that was of. They kept that away from me because. You know, but I mean. They just told me that. I had to give these these albums cleaned up and we had to do to concerts to, so we had to make those made those on. What a tremendous responsibility was a lot of fun though you on the air same time. No, but I would I would give. Give a part timer once a month off and I would pay him. I would get on the site, so I wanted to have the vibe of the radio station and stuff. So you know you you can't. You can't really feel them less yeah. So at this point in your career, you're feeling more programming Oh. Yeah, yeah, and so that was you know so? That was my first off air program director's job and I spent about a little over year there. And they asked me if I wanted to move to San Diego, I want. Semi. US August AM radio station so and it was like it was getting its butt kicked by one hundred. Cases of acute also legendary radio station and you know I was a I lived down near the radio station in semi arid environment. Not there. It was really cool. It was like it was. Hot As hell during the day and where we're in San Diego. Mission Gorge Oh. Yeah, sure sure. That's where I got my start. Kevin beat down there, so yeah. I really is so anyway so I was radio station. We Charlie and Harrigan in the morning. Sure and and they were just a real pain in the butt and. I. Don't know you're talking about. I've never ever worked with high high means right now. So yes, I mean. Look Lisa Fox the overnight girl. She was terrific. She I Lisa. Fox's and here in La Leonardo different different ways. And she would do their their log and she would like you know an early riser, but would like to slip under my door. You know six six. Oh, five in the morning, because she I live literally three minutes on the radio station, and so I would follow along and see all the songs. Skip and stuff like that, and of course it was so much fun dealing with that. You know I can't even begin to tell you. What did you learn though as far as like? A huge talent like that. What are some lessons you know the lessons? Are you know? Don't don't fight over nickels and dimes fight for quarters dollars. I mean if you can't in life if you can't figure out what the nickel and dime and then you really got some big problems, a really good point. Sometimes we spend so much energy fighting over little things just like your battles at some of the ways you can pick your battles, but it's sort of visualizes it a little bit sure you know so. How long you Casey became home I was there about? Nine months, and then they asked me to go to Saint Louis. This is all bartell all. They really got a lot. Are you kind of like The what are the firefighters that they drop in the middle of the? Smoke smoke smokejumping. Are you smoking? Yes, know Charlie loaves doing and they like what I was doing and They said we wanted to fixate Lewis and I said Okay I. Suppose you know you you want me to leave? San Diego cold. San Luis really so this is almost it was almost like well. What do you need I and it was almost a conversation at like. pull out a big role of Hyundais and keep you until I say stop light it was. Basically doubled my salary and all and bought me a car. Are you serious serious? That's a fan and plus your money is going to go farther and Saint Louis than. Go Yeah so I went in I went in there, and you know in one book. We turned it around, but then bobby hat bobby hatrick. You remember his name. Yeah Dhabi Hatrick came in, and he identified that you could be more targeted. You know and he plays pop rock format and that went over big in that town. And kick our ass and I mean. I knew we were going to get our butts kicked. I just knew it. And it's all. GM told the present company, but they didn't do anything about it and so ensure the book came out in got her butts handed to us and guess who got fired. So you're run with bartell finally came to an end, but that was I mean three different markets with them. And then from there you end up in Baltimore I went to Baltimore Yup and I had an opportunity to put a station on the air. which is a real thrilled to do? And you know I lasted there a about six months, and that was because e, Carl. Who was the guy that came in at? Whereas who's the guide hired me call me one day. Says had got some good news and bad news. I said. What's the good news is is the bad news is leave and he's the good news of going to work for for boys at Maggot. Research and I want. That's a hurry job anyway, but you're gonNA. Love the guy that's coming in Steve Roddy I said. WHO's that? He says only programs coffin Houston I said. That's an ATC radio station on am is, but he says he knows what's hot forties about well so I go pick up with airborne. I'm pretty casual guy. Just you know a pair of jeans on and you know just. Be Me and he's got a suit on this fancy leather briefcase and he hands me. Let her briefcase to carry on. Whatever. So you know, he's got a you know he's got. He's just tell he's a parise, straight guy or brilliant guy because he runs house and Garden Television today. Smart Guy, but he had no understanding of what top forty was, so we get in the car? And there was no cellphones back in night in the eighties leat seventy nine eighty. Something like that, so we're in the car. And listening to the station. And time for me to fly REO. speedwagon comes on. He says Hell's that. I said I said it's time for me to fly by REO speedwagon, he says. Reo speedwagon. He says hell. Is that record? He says get that off the fucking radio station. He says find while Oh. No, this is the first I. Mean I am with ten minutes? He says find a phone and get that fucking fucking record off the radio station Seve guy fresh from pick him up the airport. Now. You gotTA might a payphone to call studio. What do you think to yourself? I think fucked. So I did it? And I said, and I said I said take the cart slide under my door. and. He says you plan Barbra streisand and Neil diamond You know you don't bring me flowers anymore I said I said because it doesn't fit. It's the number one market in America. I said it was number one. He says I know you. Have you've refused the play? That said Yeah. I said because I said. We're a young end radio station. I said W. C EOS got that. I said we're trying to make a mark. You're on the FM's like we're the first top forty FM. In Baltimore at that time, she and I and he just you know he merely put that in, and he rip through the Gold Library and just Oma. You went out there on a CHR new owner comes in as mainstream may see, or what would be awesome. Your program, so he's all mainstream. AC, cdot anyway, so we get there to the radio station and he walks in my office in the cart and it's on my desk. He takes it and steps on the cards that ain't getting played. A, Boy I screwed up, so the GM and I the GM and I had a pretty good relationship to that point. We play racket ball together. I'd go play racquetball. Get my ass kicked, and we go to lunch and stuff anyway, so they They ended up the the just. They found an infraction that I had violated I. Am I was giving away It was a brand new rolling stones album. On a gave it away that weekend. Kim Mil records was the distributor. The deal with said you're not going to happen. 'til Monday okay, so I broke a rule that I didn't have the prize in the radio station in the fire before that no I mean they were there Monday morning. And? You had a commitment that you were going to get them out, so they just wanted. Technically, we wanted to get into like the. We have part of my here. So, yeah, so I went I lost that job and I was like I use a went back to St Louis. Because my girlfriend at the time was was still have there, and she was happy to see me. Okay, you know and then one day I'm out doing something she you know she. When I got home, she was like look at this, and she circled this thing in the our in our. She says those looking for an opening in Washington. She in the DC office, and I said she says you know Bob Wilson. Wilson call him up, so he did. And that's how by the way what a segue man? You are a pro, because we're going to in chapter two about which is which are salting, now's your girlfriend. At the time was at Ria no, that was a bebop. Be Bob, l., E. BOP. Yeah, bebop was Oh. We broke a really cardinal roll down there. She worked for the record for a record company as She was living with a program director so immediately I mean she put her release. A real handicap I did not ask her music early. A. Oh my God. What I! So! How old are you? Now? You've gone. You've been to hopefully half a dozen. A little more radio station, seventy, nine, nine, hundred, eighty, I. Don't know I guess some fifty two I'm with now twenty eight years old, twenty eight, and you've been to Miami Philly Baltimore Sandiego. Were some me Casey? Becuse Amazing radio station, offer, call stuff. Yeah, and. And now you've Lost Your Gig and Baltimore and I am over it. I was over tra. I was overdoing this, so I I call Bob Wilson up I said I want one apply for the job. He says he's apply for it. He says is is operatives guilty aside encinas it now now I wanna like I wanNA. Meet the guy. I'm working for Jonathan. Hall! and. The hall was a lovely Guy Terrific either Flemington New York. We had lunch at the Plaza hotel him for the. Before the lunches over had the job, so I moved, and my mom was still alive and was living in the DC area so. I went back and stay with her place for a couple of couple of weeks. If my own place and you know I was I. was there my first? My first day on the job was September twenty, one, nineteen eighty, and that was the first day of the deregulation hearings at the FCC the first time. I had to go over there and put a coat and tie on and share. That's up Shadia big. Yeah, so it was like you know Jonathan was with me. He was, but I caught on pretty quickly and Bob called me up three weeks into this. He says he says. Would you like to move to California and? Yeah, what's up? Pieces can't tell you. He said, but he says at some point. I'm going to call you GonNa hire replacement. I want okay, so so let's go back to your writing all your own stuff. Did you have any sort of background? Right heard I, just I was a good typist, okay? They taught me style, and in and all the sudden. You get I. Mean That's a major story. deregulations your fresh from radio. That's a pretty big. Yeah, obviously within the industry still, but it's still a pretty big jump now, journalist. No, no, but it's just you know Jonathan was there to help. Guide me and stuff. He was to a great mentor and you know. And I was, and I got very aggressive about doing interviews with people I. Would just you know? Knock on the doors, and you know and I while I, was there I? Think interviewed like four of the seven or eight? You know FCC commissioners that point, so they're really impressed that I would want to. To get it and stuff, and and you know interview. I mean heavy hitters Oh. Yeah, so in November near the end of the number called me, said he says. Are you need to be in La in February I? As I said what's The job? He says you're going to be the new CHR editor I was like I really dropped the phone and John Leader who was doing that and I were terrific friends for years and years and years we used to. We used to conference. Call about music and stuff and I was affiliated with these conference calls together with with the program. Directors meet share information, music, writers and stuff and he was on the call so anyway. So, he said you can't say a word. While I said okay so I shut my mouth right and I got in the car and I said. Can I write a column on the way out? And he says yeah, so I'd across country. Stop and I stopped in Roanoke and I stopped in Memphis and I stopped and mobile when I stopped I stopped. All these different places dotted myself across the country. An interview program direct. I'll what a blast! Yeah so I. That was my first column recap that trip and then. You know so it was just you know. John was the air in the in he was. He was an amazing guy that showed me all the ropes there and he was trying to back out because John Leader was a an amazing amazing voiceover artist. As you know you know Don Alpha Neto Yeah Oh. Sure sure sorry. Yes, absolutely so! you know he was segue into that in his career. And you know so. He taught me and I had fourteen terrific years there. That's amazing so. I mean sounds like a perfect Gig for you like CHR. Top forty and so forth, but what was that shift like being like being on the air? You liked programming. What was like all of a sudden working for a publication? It was a lot of fun. It was just a lot of fun. We got to got to go I like meeting. Artists like going to shows and people. Some people think it's a pain in the ass I like. It s still do it a lot and. What's the difference? I mean I know, there's obviously big. Fundamental differences were still in the same business. Brian, what is the kind of day to day? Difference being a writer and editor is it's. You've always got your service. Add on I. Mean You know if your program director? You're your in service to your staff. Your in service to your community as a radio is, and I was an in service to a different community in I was sort of his service to all the program directors call me one interviews published my pictures. Can you know? Can you make me some ink? You know I lost my job. You got on. You know where any openings are. I like doing that stuff. You are a phenomenal people person. I. Don't know if there's anyone better than you had your great with introductions. Your great with a team. Things up your as I mentioned the beginning. Phenomenal reaching out to people in Times. They're going through up time, so I think you're. You're I. I think you work hard at it, but I also think you were born that way to a degree. It's like you know you. You know if if you can do something for somebody I mean what what better day is there than that? That's so admirable I. Don't think most people honestly think that way I love that that you do. Yeah, so, what? Let's Talk I just wanted a little bit more in the front, and then we'll jump in obviously to I to all access. But what were you the Inter? You're most proud of that. Arnold Oh, Gosh, I just interviewed so many people over the years I mean it's. Rainy michaels was one of my favorite interviews. He was he was so ride in the high at that point, and he was the king of the world on, and you know, so I interviewed him. You know I interviewed Howard Stern, all without like that was just you know as you expect us. This wacky is good. Be You know you know and I talked probably every major program director at some point. Soko IDs and you know Scott Shannon was my Iran. You know and I mean when I when I go to New York for do business. Scott would be great. He would he would let me do an hour. On his no way, are you serious and so like an Elvis Duran was you know? It was a Saturday afternoon for an hour and Elvis Duran was my board. OP or Kid Kelly they're very. They've worn. and. Always pick up the songs. We pick out the songs that had the longest ramps on them so that we can. Talk more. Hit The post yes, that is I, remember I remember Steve Kingston. Call me at one day, and he was the program director he he he continued to. That's tradition on from Scott, and we did I came out of I came out of a commercial set ran. A bed ran a winter back time that on back timed all that into life is a highway. And unease and he called me says he's how you doing my radio stations. We don't talk that much. As a OH. I guess you can usually find me or Have Me. But. You know you have some of those checks. No, I don't. Go Austin the fires. I WANNA I WANNA get there in a second in the next chapter I will. Tell you a funny. Scott Shannon story, please. Scott Shannon. Is You know? Remarkable. Human being I mean I can't tell you how impressed with him as a person and a talent. I remember one day was up there and and I happened to be up. There was randy, Cambridge. WHO's in the music meeting? Steve Kingston was in the music meeting and and we're listening to music and isn't any other, and he goes like. Let me hear that regular Jerry Blair's all ask about so he puts his thing in. You know in the CD player and listen to it listen to. He says he's gathering. Get Good Jerry Jones. Impression by the way so spot on. It's so we giving High Scott he's. What do you think of Harry and the head caps record says these is. Jerry can use them another copy. I need a copy with a hook in it and hangs up the phone. You know some some some wall with. A lot of fun stuff I have got. This is so Geeky, isn't it? I love it your what your role. Now I people get to meet I can just. I can take this for days hours I absolutely. Fascinated by it, and I have so much respect for Scott I've only met him once. Go get on the phone. Just great guy when he was, he was very complimentary of some imaging we'd done this was back when he was still at pl GM and we just gotTa with Cumulus and I've got to tell you in regards to compliments probably goes down as the top five. That I've ever received my life just to have someone like Scott who I knows a big imaging guy as well he loves it. He loves all of you. Love all of it all of it, too. It's a phenomenal story. I appreciate you sharing. Let's talk a little more than we're GONNA get all access so at this point. You're obviously interviewing big artists. Big Program was doing future hits. I was future was the show that we try solid gold crack Jenner consulting. That was consulting solid gold, and I was also doing lewer win. left Earth News, they asked me to come in and host it so I was actually two syndicated shows. That probably. Fulfilled some your desire to be on Air Oh. Absolutely, there's a lot of fun you know. Get in, and in their Wednesday mornings at six am and And the next guy in the studio is Casey Kasem. And you know we were really we? We could do the we. We would do the show live time. It wasn't as like record tracks and Shit I liked talk up the music, so they ear candy, and we would lay it down live timing of we screwed up. We just you know we'd do a splice. You know music and Redo it, so we're really more than hour and ten minutes to do a one hour show in and out except one day we're really late. Case amuses. Got Somewhere to go places to be people to see. And so, and so anyway, so I had happened to have a brand new pair of boots that day. And you know, and Casey got buses so a wonderful guy. He was really jumping up and down, and we relate. We're really jumping up and down, so he was like. And he says he's you get those boots. He says some cow died viewed though. He was a little big pita cursing. I said wait a minute so I ran outside. Was Mercedes Benz Rolls Royce? said. Are you sitting on Naga hide out there. He was going to swallow his tongue. Don't. Don't on me for. A Love Casey Kasem he was wonderful. Human being as do I. Actually. We used to run countdown here when I was at at K big and This was back in the day, wanted to still coming on CD IF I recall and one of the board ops made the mistake and you know you'd have several hours, so the CD one was our one CD to our to the board OP. I think made the mistake of loading up the wrong it. Basically you know we're counting down and so we went. You know forty thirty and then all of a sudden. Near the top ten. And Casey had the warm line number, and he called and just tore into this more board. OP, and I'll never forget the board. Calling means completely petrified, Oh yeah. Yeah, but that being said what Casey is done for our industry. Gosh, he was unbelievable. Unbelievable and I've got a tremendous amount of respect for his daughter Kerry his issues. She's a great human being. She has done so much for so many people out there. She really does an and it's easy. I think when you're. You have the CELEB- of of her and her stature. You can get behind anything, but she gets behind really worthwhile things she really does she She works very hard on it. I also have another Great Casey story, but I remember when he was in some of our commercials back before when I was working with Johnny like his programming coordinator, but I remember going to his house, and he had this beautiful bubbler Blitzer Jukebox. Shot part of our commercial television commercials. Yeah, yeah, but he was. He was a classy guy and he just wasn't. I. Get it I get that way sometimes to is detail wanted to make sure everything was right right so. So, let's get into your personal life at this point. Okay, had you met? Are you married at this? Yeah, I met I'M I! Was I was when I got to L. A. I. Adum Met beautiful, young woman and We got married and he was Kathy and it didn't work out unfortunately. And you know so i. was a single man again and I was Living Out in paradise cove at in a double wide, you lived in that? Yeah, you're serious. Yeah, we had that was. Would Kathy and I had that as a weekend place so paradise cove just a little bit of background. It is a very famous place in Malibu and that's where you took me to lunch right? There's trailer park there. I believe Pamela Anderson has a place there in Rockford. Jim Rockford to show the Rockford files from their learned beach. That was the was the celebrity part of that place, but it was a great little restaurant. It was right there at. This. Beachfront amazing released out, so you lived in this this is it's A. Paradise Cove and there are all sorts of stories and they celebrity hang out, and it's very unique very behemoth is very Bohemian and it's like you know there's somebody on our role is cooking meth and There was always a party going and it was like. Oh, no, really seriously I remember that raid there. Are you serious? They really do. These guys is down the road from us, you know I lived in a double wide and had a slot a slice view of the ocean. And had a blast. It was great. You know, and and you know, and then I finally. Sold the place and took that money and was in the House that I was in for thirty one years until the Wolsey fire took us so wow okay last year. And I want it. We're GONNA. Get into the fire. So you're in paradise scheme, and you're still at our and all right I'm just trying to get all this right chronologically your divorce from Kathy Right. How do you meet Rea-? I I met I met re I was, it was really interesting. I was reader's T-. season ticket holder. Okay, and I was Paradise Cove and Paul. Atkinson is was living there, and Paul was the brother Michael. Who is our VP of sales at our our so naturally? We were closer to doors down each other. So I had. I had tickets to the raiders, and I still go to the readers. I said and then we'll go back. Go to our friend David's house. Who was having a party that night? And so we come back from the raiders, and we're both starving, just starving. We to eaten a bunch of the game, but we're just starving again. You know so. Let's go stop at the at the The the wasn't cuss Escobar at the time term the name of it, but it was. It was a Mexican restaurant. Okay and they had a band. And So I walk in and who's playing, but my friend. Michael Richard and his wife is Carrie Prejean and she's standing next to rea-. And so how I met RIA. And you know, and it was like a an we met, and had lunch and just hung out, and that was it you know and we were married for. You know for quite a long time twenty. We're together. Twenty eight years married twenty six incredible. Now in, so you're still aren't our job right? And then how do you end up leaving our in our to start all access? Access it was just I mean it was just time you know. Bob. Wilson was the was. The is the returning GM of actually the owner and Godless Erica Farber. She was the general manager and Erica. Farber was absolutely awesome to me. It was a period of time up there and I went from being smart guy in the room to the stupidest guy in the room and. Everything I said in any meeting was like that can't be okay. So one of my favorite things were getting really angry at me and it meeting. How come you know the answer to that? I said because I don't I said I said I can make up for you right now. I said or I can. Get you the information you'll want. Everybody in the meeting was looking down God. You know in Sydney Maxwell who who has just joined us in Houston. That means she camping unleashes you like pissing the Fandango Day said. No, but I said I just don't. I don't appreciate her suffer stupidity. So I said anyway, so we see you're just kind of starting to feel. It was time to go time to go and Erica was wonderful. She really was just great and I. You know and I just had a computer since nineteen eighty-one, so as Reef Monahan g so it's really familiar with the AL instant message boards, and all that stuff in the music meeting rooms and stuff so. I just saw and we were. We were trying to develop our own record detection system, our own version of media, and it was failing miserably and I I. I brought beady to Bob and I said Bobby. Should just you know get this? And he was like it's not perfect and he's. We'll build our own on. We're like okay anyway so I. Remember at a meeting. We had a big crowd and it was doing a demo and all locked up. And I caught, so each el-kas was like. Air and it wasn't but I mean he's locked up. was. Demo was incredibly embarrassing the middle of the presentation. So. I just knew it was time to go and. I heard they were going to hire Tony. Novia. ALKA and and I am Eric and I had a meeting. I said so I said I hear you're bringing in Tony, Novi, and she was like. I said. I said I know that's okay, and and so and we had a good parting at a pretty good partying. We're still friends with this day I. Mean You know share you comes and come star events and all that stuff and she was very gracious, and I just had this idea about. What was going on? The Internet was was not even on anybody's radar at that point Oh. Man I mean she's ninety five I. Mean this is. What is this ninety four? When I left, I left just before Thanksgiving nineteen, ninety four, so yeah, I mean ninety four. It's still AOL early days over. Yeah, if you've got an email, it was like Oh. My God. Emails I've got. Ugly gift that keeps on giving. A isn't that the truth, so you're early on the computers and eighty one. What was that like a Tandy or no hat? She had an IBM clone. Actually it okay. I had an a hard drive to a ten megabyte hard drive as that probably cost a fortune bath, five thousand all night, which was a lot of money back then. But it's like fifteen grand a day or something. And the guy said to me says what are you going to put on all of that? That's that's a whole encyclopedia. BRITANNICA figured out. That's amazing. Yeah, so now. Are you freaked out in November two thousand? I ninety four. No, because I'd already had this plan I mean I when I when? When I saw the incoming and this happened in September. So I had three months to plan because I agreed to stay aboard and helped train Tony Cheese man. That was professional of you, but it's like you know I love. Tony I love that place and you know Erica my out of how really good? Understanding about it. She was Bro. I was A and worked out fine. You know I, think I think when you know you. You raise the bar for yourself. Things all boats rise. It's like you know it's hard to argue with somebody. That's that's that's that's you know going okay. Yeah, okay. No, you're professionalism and your outlook is very interesting and I again back to I admire it I. Think I would have some the feeling the butterflies about still I'm losing my Gig my regular paycheck and I'm betting on something that is so. Early early days and did you even know after you left where your next paycheck was gonna come O- I, didn't they severance? Okay, you know and I was still doing future hits, okay? side-hustle. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't down eating ramen noodles, so it was good in re. What is redoing doing? Re was working at a law firm at that. Point Oh cannon and you know. And she was, she was in the computer department and always says she had a technical behind. Yum, different different side of it though you know got it, so she was supportive own, yeah! Yeah she goes. What you do is fine with you know, and so she set up the accounting department at at all access, and you know she was, she was operations. Really basically was co founder and operations, and I love in an HR okay. Yeah, no I'll big big responsibilities I love that you always make a point that she's the CO founder of all access. So early days of all access you take this leap. What does this look like It looks like. Probably lost my mind. I mean I remember I remember the guy's hits magazine, you know wrote when I left how the mighty hill fallen, and he's always really funny. Oh I. Don't have a problem with and Jerry. Jerry Lewis Rover Network. Forty, eight took a couple of shots at me and I just didn't care You know I knew I mean we signed the site on. First couple of days of October of Nineteen, ninety five and we went into business in January of nineteen ninety-five. I started calling radio stations about music. And promoting music and because it was a good way to get cash in the door and sourcing meeting about the site in June of Ninety Five K. who's there right now? It's you it's rea- it's. It's the two of US and Candy Clutch Candu Memory Candy Clutch Clutch. Great Lady. She's a terrific personality. And she was. She was calling radio with me and helping me you know and stuff like that. What's your sale to candy? Like come work with that. She was out of a job. Come to California is like you know so you know any as it was. It was an easy sell. She new computers, too. So this had to been I'm sure a tremendous investment to build a site at that not cheap today, but even then back then it was it was. It was nowhere? I mean it was nine pages big. Okay, they just took forever. Because you know things didn't moves fast, and if you made an art change, you'd have to like make. The chains would say it would take you know twenty seconds to save. Sharon would take another twenty seconds to render got it. You know it was slow, so we started working on the project in June, and by September we had it, and I acquired the all access domain, and we launched, and it was up. and. I mean it just got around meal I was talking to people on the phone about it, but when People Jeff Capucci and Kobe Bryant and people like that found the first week, and we're like column like. I can't believe this. This is great. I went got something here, so you knew right away. Right away, that's so cool. What's that feeling like that was like. You know it was great. It was a lot of fun. It was like you know it's like okay. I had lost my mind. You and candy or calling radio reas. Helping run operational HOMOLKA. And your. Who's your first client? First client all right well. I can't remember on the record side who? who was in, he was very early. Bob Catania was in Burley. In fact it. Bob Continues still my dear friend to this day when I went to New York. I was when he was at island. He was an island now. He was a Giffen at that point. Okay, and he was the first guy to give me A. Weekly advertising contract housing. Yeah, how did that go down? It was great. We met at a a place for breakfast, and he says so I wanted to have you here. He's a really like what you're doing with the site and he's not like to be up on that site every week and I went. Oh, molly, so I walked out of with you know. We knew we had something and then. I back then nobody had a computer on their desk in ninety, five, ninety six. You know my first trip to new. York got an IBM thinkpad. One Orion was still dial up cheese and so everybody had a PBS system in their office. And so where did they do my demos at fax machines? Because it was the only places really Asher show I remember, tune the tuning demo for for for Greg Thompson. He was running Elektra records at the time. Okay, and he's like you know we're talking about how slow the thing renders I said he said he says, but he says conduct contents great. And and so it was any, says Jesus can't that thing. He says just takes forever to see US CD. I said you gotTa Slow Line here so. I mean we were? If we're fifty six hundred Baud back then we're now. We're talking about GIG. Right you know. It really did take. UPGRADED A FOURTEEN POINT FOUR HUGH O.! Double, yeah, it was a double. You know so anyway so finally you know people lining up to get us the fax machine. And so he says he says he says look, he says he says. Can You unplug that? He says I'll give you a contract. He says, but these people need this fax machine shirts. So I walk I walked out of there with who usually deals and then and then Mark Gorlic was running, MCA. And he gave me a yearly deal, and we're off to the races, amazing man, and so you profitable your one. No, we lost about thirty grand I. that's still that's it's amazing wasn't terrible. Not Terrible. All you have any investors or you bootstrapped. It bootstrapped still bootstrapping today. That's amazing. Any I mean as a kid. Obviously, you had this sense of adventure at such a young age to I. Go knock on a radio station and call into stations takes a lot of guts to move around the country like you did your mom. She raise you with a lot of confidence. Do. My father died when I was ten. Oh, man! I didn't know my mom got sick. And you know so? I was like I was knocking around the house by myself. Pretty much. You know for you know for a while. She was in the hospital so I, was like common going and doing and you know social services was not aware of it so I just I just left unattended in my until she took care of me a little bit. You had to grow up really fast. You had a lot of responsibility. Your mom put on you What are your dad passed away Nineteen sixty three cheese man. I'm sorry what was that? Liz Your father such, a young age was pretty bad. It was really our good buddies and He was a really wonderful guy and You know he was I. Wish I'd known him longer. Think! You'd be proud of you today. I hope so yeah, I'm sure man. I mean to have the success that you've had and the reputation that you have so so your all access. Things are taken off. It's the the late nineties now and are you start? Is the growth really starting to become? Oh, it was. It was substantial by the second year. I mean we exponentially. We were adding Shaun Alexander. Who? Was it our and our and he got, he got purged out of there and I said come on over here. Let's do alternatives, so he that was the first format expansion we did. Forty, and then it was just a so. That's how that happens. Just kind of added formats. We've actually did the same thing in the library sign. And we started with four, and then a fifth exactly so you know, and we just grew it as we. As we were support for it now did real leave her job at the law firm. She eventually did you and so now you two are running this thing. And it just continues every year. Have you had any years that you were freaked out? As far as we've had some we've had some years hung cheese. You know it's like. When when the business has a hiccup, we have a hiccup sure sure and also the recession two thousand eight Oh. Yeah, that was bad. You know, and it's like you know we'd really dependent upon. The number of releases that come out and this year it was like there was it was either the NFL cycle, no freaking brainers, or it was nothing I mean, and there are a lot of labels that slow the releases down because they just didn't find a slot. They couldn't find a you know for a new band that means. They showed a lot of stuff this year interesting. How does that know that side of the business? I honestly don't have a lot of knowledge on. To the film business and that they're looking for kind of the right space. Yeah, I mean it's every radio station has a number of slots shirt, and it depends on their format and their competitive environment, and what they feel that their audience audiences are slower than others. New York La. Should Cargo Miami, very active audiences in a please like big, even big markets like Charlotte, North Carolina my friend John Reynolds runs the Beasley cluster down there. He says Nice people slow there too slow to as a as a community latch on north thing, so he exposes stuff slower down. There got an end right now because of PM. Which is the you know? The Ratings Sherry You know it doesn't reward being early. Yes, the way the technology is does harder for the record companies off at the break. Yeah, so it's you know it's it's the businesses changed a lot it really. Really is, and there's also a lot of compression between you know holiday see ACC hr a lot of the formats from auburn out of a little over a decade now, but died Yosemite be stepping on each other more so than well it's. It's like investing one of the best examples I can give cage in Dallas, which is an amazing radio station Patrick Davis's and Priscila done a terrific job down there and Kelly killer. She's the. She's the you know, cluster, president, share, and yet next next door to them Katie amax Jay Shannon is running top forty light. They call it Hottie seat, but he doesn't play anything with a thump to it, okay. And they have a formulas when they decide to cross a record from pop to top two hot AC or from holidays, and isn't that hard and fast formula, but I mean they've got. It figured out. They flank. Each other is basically what they do. So we used to do with the K. big and coast and kill. Which I think to some degree makes a Lotta sense for a stir and virement a business standpoint, but I don't know if the listener gets the best experience because of that you know, it's I, mean they come this even more than ever today with streaming? What do people come to into radio for today? They come to radio first and foremost. It's local. It's got something going on. You can hear what's going on in the marketplace. You can commercials. You get a sense of the vibe. You may even have an affinity for the honor person. and. It's the best curated list of music period. It is. It's just that that is what that is. What local live radio be about always been about, but even more so today I agree and. And they've tightened down a lot more to something used to be forty slides, and then it became. You know thirty five slots, and now it's like you know on a kiss. FM can be twenty three twenty four current records. And they get played over and over and Ryan rotations are bigger now. They're you know sometimes you can hear song hundred and forty times a week. Rotations are insane, but the point is it. It matches the technology that measures audience consumption, and that's you have to do it that way. Yeah, so so that makes your job in return labels job, and then your job in return a little bit harder close is definitely you know, but I mean there's all these no brainers. Come out like you know Halsey. Goes you know post alone with Lisa record? It goes even week the weekend. Who has now a record out for a year and a half? He just you know Republican a great job. They blew it out and got a lot of you. Know Harry Styles Columbia just did a terrific job putting Harry styles brand new and up there, his new song a dorm, how one hundred eighty ads in one week and as unbelievable, but the point is. That's while that's all great. It stops new artists from having a slot. Thanks a lot of sense I think it's probably harder than it ever has for a new artist. Also, noticed with the labels are I'm sorry, the artists. And labels they're doing single after single after singly. There used to be a lot more time in between. These say they don't do that anymore. Because it's like you want to keep the audience there, you want to keep the momentum there and the other thing that dictates timetable is streaming the DSP's. Decide I'll we're no. We're starting to pick up a vibe on this next. Track your. We're GONNA. Put it up there because they don't really care. Because that's kind of an indicator on the streaming of what's GonNa happen exactly, and it's like I, think you know while it's more competitive than it's ever been because of the streaming and consumption numbers, and if you know what your audience wants, you can fish through the stuff that doesn't fit, and you can see the new stuff that makes some sense you know, and it's just. It's just tough you so today they not only measure success music by call at research, which is really a look three weeks backwards up a fan of call it for years Should Sam. Which is an offshoot. Equal sometimes just to find out how the hell is that I'm not listening to that again. Share you. Don't know and an apple since buying Suzanne. Has Reduced the amount of public granularity. They give you on on on data now, so you can't. It's it's become a lot less. It's so you look at it as a as a gross number versus a granular is. Used to get lot. Is Cobra got? You can't do that? Do you think all this data that we now have an analytics that are at our fingertips that we could probably not even dream of twenty twenty. You First Start Alexis. Do you think that's actually a better thing for the industry or I mean? It's like it's still you know every street. Every song has got twenty million streams. Every songs got twenty million views. And what is that mean? I mean what's the index it goes up against you know what I'm saying is like you know. What's the retention on those I mean, do we? Do we know when at what point during the song they they decide to leave the song as or a pattern to that I mean there's all kinds of things that I mean I could sit there and talk about him. babble about here, but I mean there's data and I'm you know? I'm not a numbers guy. Don't like numbers that much I mean. It's just very. You know I was like. Look at a spreadsheet makes my eyes go crazy bought I do it, but the point is. you know it's interpreting data? That's what it comes down to and you up. You have to look at your market. You have to understand what your audience expects here on your radio station and the thing that drives that should be at a pop station. Pop Culture. And whether you liked the song or don't like the song doesn't really matter. If you're really programming to your audience, you put that stuff on. And sometimes it will change the complexion of your radio station, and then there's a lot of people that have this mental boundary. No, we're not playing that because it's too something. It's a case of the twos. It's too fast. It's too slow. It's too rapidly. It's to country. It's too soft. It's too hard I I mean here all that all day long shot and at the end of the day. None of that really matters what matters. Does the audience like that record. Does lobbyist like that song? That's what matters is a tremendous amount of insight. Right there I think there's only a handful of people that have had the experience that you've had programming on air, and then to now be on the other side of it. I know people have crossed over. Radio to records, but to have the extensive experience that you've had to program in major markets to read now the the world's biggest radio in-depth music news site. I only know you and kind of cool to have that perspective because I think sometimes myself being a program or not having the experience you've had on the aren't elax aside. You start to kind of look through this lens and I. Think People Get Fearful of making mistakes and you get afraid to add a record because you know. God forbid It's it's you know what it is, and some of it is just dictated by corporate culture. I mean you're afraid to add something because you're afraid is going. Why did you put that on? Yeah? You know and you know they keep scores, and if your ratings wobble right, they can point to that and other five stiffs. You play Geez. What were you thinking because you weren't thinking? And all that out there you know a whole guy. Want to get few more personal question online sure and I appreciate you being open with me in any of these or over the line. Just tell me to to shut up, but. I know really huge part of your life. You fill me in I'm so sorry that you lost her so young on. How did that impact you both professionally and personally it was you know it was like watching a A slow moving freight train, and being tied the tracks and watch that light get bigger bigger bigger bigger, just hit Ya. she was She's type one diabetic and I knew that we had a conversation when we first met. You Probably GonNa die before you, she's we. Hang out and I was just. Are you in I? Said I'm in. And she was right. You know people that have type one diabetes. It's a it's a terrible disease. You look okay on the outside and inside. It's chewing you up. It just screws with your kidneys. It screws with your circulation system circulatory system. And it you know you have neuropathy. You know painting your feet painting your hands, sometimes nerve pain. And you know it hit and hit everything with her. I mean name name, a symptom name, a of a byproduct problem with and she had it. And just I just watched over the last decade. Just fall apart. And I am. So, sorry, and how do you? Go on to operate the business. As you're going through this and you know you have a great staff. I mean I. Love My staff. They're terrific people and they're just wonderful. Friends and colleagues and stuff and I had a lot of times rose out. You know for a couple of days at a stretch taken here her. She was in the hospital. She'd had a quadruple bypass. you know she'd had? A lot of work on her foot. That kept getting infected means is. These are real problems. These are real issues. Share you know she had she couldn't come to work for a long time. so she worked at home because she had in care. Nursing couldn't walk on her foot. She had a a port in her. You know to take the bionics so. It was quite a bit. You know so. But you know I was primary care and you know. I Embraced it. And you know. I feel good about everything that happened in we we, our families, terrific and very supportive, as well to in close friends were and You know we just sort of watched it happen. Do you think losing your father at a young age. Helped you understand deaths or have a oh, yeah, well. My mom took her own life, too. Oh, man, yeah! She did that right after Rian got married in one thousand nine hundred nine. Yeah, she was. She was chronically depressed and. You know. She made three tenths at it and you know Third Times What you wanted. God I am? Your Life is just you've been through these. Extreme. Of Not Come close to living the life that you you have had to be as positive as you are to go through your father and. Your mother held you said right after you Maria just under seventies, and she was very healthy. Otherwise you know she just wasn't happy. In the thing I learned I took some therapy after that because it was like cheese you because we had her living with us for a while, and she tried an attempt at the house was pretty messy and you know an i. what for some therapy? Because it was like? What could I have done the thing I took away from that therapy, was it? You can't make someone WanNa live. You just can't. Even. Put a band aid on it, you can. Give them therapy. You can give them you know comfort. You can give them. You know tough. Love this all kinds of things you can do, but the end of the day people make that choice and while I was unhappy I'm still not happy that had happened. I've I've forgiven her for it. Not Angry at her It's something she chose to do. You so in- incredibly balanced. How do you do you think it's in unitely to get up with the positivity that you how I think it is yeah, I'm I'm basically a positive person. it puts people off sometimes like how can you not real? You're kind of like. Me But I think you have a choice every day. Get up and see how you see the world and see what you're GonNa make of it that day and I really am firmly convinced that if you got a bed. and. Don't dread that you're tired and just shake all that stupid stuff off. Just Stop Stop babying yourself. Get out there and do it and put the best. You're the best version of yourself. You can forward and I really believe that pays off, and you don't do it for the payoff. Do it because it's just works. It's like you want to be a miserable person or do you to be a happy person. It's not it's. It's a no brainer choice to me. Awesome advice now I My mother has Parkinson's and I had read a few years back. The Michael J. Fox Book and he has in there a great quote that optimism is a force multiplier. Yeah, it really is I mean if you go into a meeting, you can of the best product on the world you go in there cocky and fully yourself. You'RE GONNA make a sale, or you gonNa make a sale going on like. Michelle how this could benefit you? Yeah, you know and understand that you know your impressions and Europeans matter least. It's what the other person thinks that matters most. Recently engaged yes. You've. Known him yet Kim Wear. Met Now. A couple of times yeah a nominal nominal. Introduced through an actual introduction service, not an online thing, but okay thing were they. You know do a long interview and they do a background, check and all that stuff. We had one date and distant stop. Awesome man. Now she's a fantastic lady as she's so happy. and obviously in you've gotten. After losing her father at such a young age, your mother, a RIA in. Probably the fire wasn't as big of a deal as it would not. That is not a huge deal, but it's I mean it's really interesting. We we were. When we got evacuated at a Malibu, we drove to Kim's parents house down in Huntington, beach. And got down there and. I realized he's only have is with me as a couple of close, and you know that's it and and so we were in Kohl's. When we found out I got textra. They said that the hostage make it and I was just we. And I immediately just you know just said I went to work, and I called business people, and I said lost the house. Let's get the insurance go on, and we were the first ones in at that insurance company to get going so and we're still today. I mean going through the red tape of you know submitting new plans and you know insurance insurance has been great about it, but there just the check boxes, and you know sure, and this has been over a year over year, so we're hoping to get framing going. We're hoping to get approved very soon for our plans and Hopefully get The new foundation laid in once through foundation laid in the structural engineer comes in and looks and go like okay. We're GONNA. Put Steel here here and here then we order the steal and steals mounted, and then after that finely after that they fired, they start putting woods up. You know putting would Ryan also sticks. They call it, so let's put some sticks up. And your outlook. Yeah, the story that you've had quick little background. Though I know you lost everything you're air checks each mentioned earlier, but I think you told me or someone had told me that you'd gotten your first gold record and someone replaced it lost. Its you know Kim, you know. She was living with those things downstairs in the in the entertainment part of the House and she got with Moi friends, and you know and found out. We don't which they all remember them to from being over there a whole lot. And she went and got ten replacements for me amazing. Wow, I mean just. It was an amazing gift. You know so. You know there are all stored so that. When we moved back into new House I, can put them up. What's the one thing from the fire that you've you've learned? About yourself I guess just in general illness. I think I'll give everybody like take video of the House. Just walk around with your your Iphone, your android and a video you know, stop it everything. You know I lost. You know tons of CD's and five six thousand albums, and some you know mazing photos that I always go digitize them. One day I'll do that one day do it. And also to you know also learn. Don't save a great bottle of wine either just drinking. What are you saving for a fire? So. Oh Man, well I am sorry you had to go out but listen. Listen it's all you can do is get open swing the Bat I think that's all I'm looking at my notes and The one thing I forgot to I should've mentioned this earlier. How did the worldwide Radio Summit come to be? Let me before you and there wasn't amazing event man. Come just a event for us. We appreciate your support. This oh great! Be Believe we're met with Paul. The other day we'll walk through. Will two things and I'll get into the story at at the castaway, but it's going to be our ninth iron imager this year. Right is crazy to me, but been a phenomenal success, and you guys been such a huge part of that a number two I owe you an apology and I want to put on the record because I was anti EU moving to castaway. But it actually turned out. Absolutely amazing, you know. We just did our walk through the other day with Paul and work sad sponsor getting next year. So how did it come about? That call me up one day, Sat. it was his idea. His name and he says as we're looking for a partner on this is what do you think and we talked for about an hour and it was done. It was just that and we've collaborated all that stuff and you know, and he doesn't production and year. He took a step back and he no longer wanted to partner with us now because it was just a lot of work, you know he's a smaller staff and I respect that and he's been absolutely terrific giving us some guidelines on and some wisdom and knowledge. You know some stuff that I didn't know from doing this and we hired. Fabulous Lady Jacqueline. Lennon used to produce the our and our events. The aren't Ra convention, so she got. You know that's what she does for a living. Amaze and so she stepped right in the end up to the Baton Rouge three months out and We're excited. We're doing the GALT. We're doing golf tournament again. The all good. About doing golf term. We haven't announced it yet, but we. We've sort of mentioned you know in our marketing, but Bianca is from KISS FM our chairperson. Oh, terrific, guiding Yup so So we're doing that and events taken on a life of its own thanks. Bob Pittman speaking this year I saw that that's Zyypah last year. We had Tom Poelman and it's like you know we're just. You know we're just trying to answer the call out. We've changed the agenda quite a bit. We have a lot of new sessions this year. We have to music sessions this. You're talking about some of the stuff that you're talking about here today about you know streaming versus you know domestic radio and how the different. There's a difference between the consumption charts and the rotation charts. Charts and why is this and you know what you know? This a lot to be discussed syndication session. Oh are some good I'm excited about the how you do a great job with the panels. You do a great job with the entire event. The parties I mean it's really from from the start to the end. It is a top notch. Thank you. I appreciate that. Staff because they're in there swinging. Don't give Pollen Matt. That's funny. That's funny man. It has been pure pleasure having you in. Thank you so much for Sharon all all the personal things sorry. I was evasive with some of the not invasive was the right. I I I want to know something. I promised you I was going to. You're not getting out of here and ask. Chachi we're did that come from. You'll know this guy's name is Dave Dennis, but he's got this nicknamed. Chachi come from so I'm down in San. Diego and my first job as a Katherine be, and it was star one hundred point seven. And you've course sure. Remember Michael Steele. Sure Yeah, and Michael is who gave me my very first break in radio delivered a pizza to the radio station and died just met him. got very fascinated much like you did. With radio was going to school at the time, and so we became friends, and I was having some parties. in so I invite him to a couple of those we became I became friends, and eventually hired by answer phones, and as they kind of moved on our moved up I became his sidekick and Tracy Johnson, and Michael that name. That's a great name because it stands out. It was in the mid nineties. Actually you just started all accents, I started ninety six and the stations holiday, so they were willing to women in their thirties point which grew up watching happy days. That's fun and that's where the name came to. But just a little bit about this guy right here during this interview, he has built a terrific company Ben's town has so much respect and so much love out there great clients, great product You. Guys are just first first-class operation I. don't say that just because you're here, but you really have built. On Conic Brandon our business, so everybody talks about Ben's town. And you know there's a lot of. Other great companies out there, but you have carved your own niche. He very busy sector. Yankee man, you guys do terrific production, imaging and voiceovers, and all kinds of stuff so I means means a ton coming from you and I think much like you and I know of joking about Matt and Paul earlier but it. It so much of it comes down to the team that you have around you and I've been very blessed to have of. Guys like Kevin here, that's. Our producer, employee number four IRA. Yeah, I mean so been from almost the very beginning, but great partners great client he i. You said Bob, Lebron you very early on and Gorby believed in very early on and die. Remember you know. Pat Bond and Gary Wall coming and asking us to work with them on the Jack Form Right and that being kind of like Oh. My this is right become real I know. Isn't that great? It is great, but you. You know you've been here. You're in business eleven years now, and it's like wow, that's really big. That's really big. My friend thank -gratulations. Do you to make it to twenty five? You will not a worry about that. Thanks so much, I really appreciate you for your time today. Thanks for the opportunity to do this anytime Ed.

program director High Scott Scott Shannon Casey Kasem TA Joel Denver San Diego Dr Jerry New York GM Kevin Reo speedwagon Miami Rockville FCC Philly Baltimore FCC Charlotte
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

5:03:30 hr | 1 year ago

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"The Satellite Lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. That's you go tickling the Ivories. He just saved by bundling home and Auto Progressive GonNa finally ring for that Gal of Yours Hugo they send him my condolences this next one st there's in my aw thank you progressive casualty. Insurance Company and affiliates discounts not available in all states or situations right now at T. Mobile get an possum iphone ten are on us when you bring your family over and trade in your old device because whether you have mom dad or a friend on your mind it's a gift so polled and brilliant you WanNa keep it for yourself most importantly it's on us in six five plus with unlimited everything from T. Mobile. He possum iphone ten are we'll have everyone snapping streaming and cherry to their heart's content all year long but don't wait. It's only for a limited time so visit a store or call one eight hundred T. mobile to get iphone ten are on us if congested customers using more than fifty gigs per month notice reduced speeds student prioritization at Forty P._D.. At twenty four monthly bill credits for qualified customers customers plus tax qualifying trading port and service and finance agreement required contact us before canceling credit stopping remaining balance do sixty four GIG zero down thirty one twenty five per month for twenty four months pre-credit price seven forty nine ninety nine zero percents A._p._R.. One offer per account the free talk live amp program stands for advertise market and promote the idea is that you can help us get on more radio stations around the country. We've got over two hundred stations as of right now and we can get a bunch more. It's possible we'll have you know three hundred or more stations on board here with <hes> with Free Talk Live <hes> so if you want to help us out with that and get some cool perks like access to the only facebook group there is the <hes> there's also special contributors attributed areas on our discord and more you can go get the full list of benefits over at amp dot freetalklive dot com. It's A._M._p.. Amp Dot freetalklive dot com so thank you again to Paul Barnes for doing that as we continue. It's mark here in our remote studio studio. Jason cousins is with us for an extended interview here on glint. which is the product that is already available in Europe? You said <hes> that allows if you're just tuning in its <hes> debit card. It's got the MasterCard logo on it and everything you can use that anywhere mastercard is accepted. Tens of thousands of people are using this in Europe currently. Yes that's right yeah and <hes> so it's great that it's actually already out there. This isn't just some pitch this isn't it yeah. It's already out that well. What can we Masakadza proud to be working with them? <hes> <hes> we're also working with brings in Switzerland in Zurich who look Osteo gold that was going to be a question I had for years storing the gold <hes> we were pretty close to the liberty dollar which was familiar with this <hes> they were an alternative currency agency show than silver based they actually had actual pieces that they'd minted and also warehouse receipts. I think they had some sort of early early digital version of that but it didn't last very long before the federal government came in and stole all of the the golden the silver out of there the mint the volume that they <hes> they had it in. What sort of protections do you guys? Have I mean because obviously if you know government Dune squad comes knocking on the vault door. They're probably going to let them in <hes> I mean do you worry yeah about that at all. Like what do you think about them. As I said right the beginning you know we've worked very closely with regulators and the territories that we move into so we've done that in the U._k.. We've done that in the thirty one countries of the were doing. We've done that with the in the U._S.. As well so we're we're able to repair the regulatory environment here and fundamentally. You're owning and spending gold. If you look in my APP and you see the transactions down there you're seeing that you spending things with gold grams. There's no Jason Coin. You know there's no token token exists between you and your goal or your payments you make there's no there's no new type of glint dollar that we've created. It's in your constitution. It says for instance I estate may accept or make payments and U._S.. Dollars is gold or silver. It's just plain unadulterated physical gold so we're not doing anything strange and yes the gold that you have every cent every dollar that you buy worth of gold is health securely and safely in the volts in Switzerland not owned by us. It's run by company called brings one of the biggest vaulting companies in the world. It's insured by Lloyd's of London. If we go bust your gold still there if they go bust your gold silver if global financial crisis your gold still there that insurance assurance was an was going to be my next question. Okay all right now. What about from the merchant side of this so? Let's say you know your typical merchant. They don't know or care about the customer spending gold right yeah. The customer is going in. They know the customer knows they're spending gold from. They're balanced but the merchants getting dollars so it's all it's all transparent. It's all behind the scenes. <hes> the merchant doesn't need to know that but what if you're dealing with a merchant who is interested in gold what if what if there's a merchant who's like well I don't want. I know what glint is and I don't want dollars dollars. I want the gold is going to be away for merchant to kind of opt into accepting actual gold rather than than dollars. Is this the peer to peer aspect of the listen I I oh I'm always putting people every time I'm paying with gold. I'm telling the waitress so the <hes> the waiter hey I'm by the way I'm paying with gold and at first something go cross eyed what I'm talking about when I get my app out and I show them you know half of them. Go Wiley the half kind of still. Don't get it but yeah right now. The merchant has no idea unless you tell l. them but we will tell them because of course spread the word is important to do to some extent activists based yeah it is absolutely you know this. You got to spread the word. This is a movement as much as a product but <hes> yeah it's important. Eventually merchants also gets except gold as payment but as I think I explained before you know if you want gold to be used first of all you gotta start with uses anybody who owns aspects spend everywhere so that's why we've integrated with existing financial system but we're also independent of it and that requires an independent payments rails. That's as long as you have a mobile phone telephone number you'll be able to receive and pay make payments ingold peer to peer person to person and we're kind let me just say it's coming. This year are platforms platforms already capable of doing it. We expecting that come later this year so this will be like <hes> phone number based or username based where you could just be both mobile phone number basin email based probably a combination all get out my glint APP. I'll put in you know Jason. Cousins wins it. Whatever and put put your say? Hey what what was your number okay. You have to just send you a gram of goal tend to pick take a picture of myself little message happy birthday. That's killer yeah and I think gifting will be one of the ways in which it spreads as as the wasn't breads people will stop gifting. They'll have to get the why would you wanNA give anything but gold when you suddenly gift gold somebody and you can get on the phone but I think interestingly so there's a long traditions especially in Europe where young people would be given some gold piece piece as a transition from youth to adulthood. Now you have this gold piece. You can operate inside the adult world you know whether it's a young man going off to war having it sewn into his great coat or or a young woman in the form of a dowry whatever the the way that it would be given it was given and that gold symbolized your transition from not having any damn responsibilities at all to being you know your own sovereign individual yeah and I thank <hes> I think one of the important things about that. I've experienced as the some people think that gold is just the preserve the wealthy Osa Glenn is just for high net worth individuals well. Hey It works great for high net worth individuals because they've worked really hard all their lives and they've acquired wild wild. Why shouldn't they be able to keep it and have it in his very safe from protected way but I come across the young Lauda young people as well? Let's say listen you can have gold to you can stop building up your wealth and away that's into indestructible that that is a way that's going to protect against inflation Anita potential financial crisis. You can stop playing just a dollar week in there. If you want easiest way to do dollar cost averaging and saving when when you choose to save your money <hes> this is the best way to save it yeah and because when you're ready to get out and move into other investments if that's what you WanNa do you leave some in the Glenn Card but you can you can move it on out a low cost. I don't even I never look at the go price. It's I'm just buying all the time and spending all the time and that farm gain the average a certain amount of really click paycheck somebody paycheck in they get if they've got an extra twenty forty bucks or whatever they can buy gold with just humilate and and you know and you mentioned the word investment and an rightly so it's been seen as investment because it's only been able to US investment what I keep telling people now is no longer just an investment right it is money in money should be something that's been at risk and investment for me. Is something you risk. If you put money in the stock market you're trusting me on my uncle my brother to set up that business and the decision they make debate whether or not business is going to become profitable. Not that's not what money should money is something you can invest but money itself shouldn't be a risky product. It's money it stored storing your wealth and if you want to if you WANNA WANNA go to that guy you mentioned likes go wants to be paid and gold well if he wants to borrow some money you can go to him with your bulbs. They I'll give you some gold. I'll do it through glint and I want to such an interest rate on its return because that's one of the arguments sometimes people say goal doesn't have a yield hang on money doesn't how you into the pillow doesn't have if you put it to work to other people then it can get in the same times they will give back do that with Goto. We're talking about the basic the money just to be clear that the difference between like there's no difference between money in Gold Gold is money when you give your gold or your money to someone else sometimes they will give you back more than <hes> when when we presumably that's how the investment works is the ideas you're giving up but sometimes investments at work nothing back then you know you know the gold is always going to be the yeah I mean. That's why people have used as man you can bury in the ground. It's not gonNA go off in two thousand years like that coin. It's still going to be that no matter what happens in the world and God forbid. There's there's another financial crisis that some people talking about I there isn't but <hes> certainly is kind of look in the way that might be your gold safe a little bit. I'm excited Jason. Please keep in touch with us. Yes and <hes> we definitely WanNa let our listeners know when this is available in the United States and of course we do have international listeners so there are probably people who are very interested in aamodt. Thank you very much having me on your show every depreciates it and yeah glints going to be here any week now. So Gay Self pre-registered sit on our website very exciting glint pay dot COM is his sight easy cousin see C._e._o.. And founder of glint we got more coming up here from freedom fast. It's <hes> of course it's a hot one here in Vegas <hes> today in everyday around this time but it's been great event so so far in <hes> really cool people to hang out with there's plenty of time left. We got more free talk live on the way of course you can join US anytime over at Freetalklive DOT COM and get to check out the defense website freedom fast dot com. We'll continue in moments is definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure investment historically mcilvanney. I._C._A.'s been helping people take delivery of precious metals and find storage options for decades. They've helped thousands of investors with their precious metal. I._R._A.'s call today for your Free Portfolio Review at eight hundred five to five nine five. I five six or download the free report online at ICI GOLD SILVER DOT COM to learn how you can double your gold and silver ounces even within an I._R._A.. Eight hundred five to five nine five five six. I see a gold silver dot com ever wanted to hook up with an attractive woman in but you couldn't because you were already in a monogamous relationship ever wanted to work when you wanted to work instead of having to report to an office when you would rather have done something else. There's another way to live. I'm Caleb Jones had my staff and I have taught hundreds of thousands of men had how to create low work high income businesses and how to date women under your terms go to free life INFO dot com to download seven free books and podcasts so you can live a life like this to are you tired of governments around the world killing innocent people stop using their money. There is an alternative bitcoin is a stateless free market. non-political Currency Bitcoin is money that cannot be inflated or controlled by any state by continuing to use their money your perpetuating the killing stop doing it. You have an incredible alternative available to you now. Learn it use it spread it get started with Bitcoin at BITCOIN DOT COM mm-hmm. It's bitcoin dot com L. Dot F._M.. Now has a discord discord is a free text voice chat platform and we now have our own server with a bunch of channels at discord dot l. r. n. Dot F._M.. You can join other listeners as they chat about various things during our live shows or anytime day or night dischord softwares available cross platform so you can have on whatever you want and take your chats anywhere join our discord at discord dot l. r. n. Dot F._M.. <hes> that's discord dot L. R. N.. The latest episode of Free Talk Live continues with our two up next after the news here at Listen Dot Fr you're listening running into heartland newsfeed radio our live twenty four seven heartland newsfeed dot com hoping new service daily newscasts for Wednesday July seventeen twenty nineteen. I'm Mike Clifford. The House votes to condemn President Trump's attacks on congresswoman of color as racist also honored on down a new report forecast big losses for some states if the A._C._A. is repealed and a corporate call to flex muscle a to close the pay gap topping our news the U._S. House voted Tuesday to condemn as racist president trump's attacks against for congresswoman of color. The New York ties are Portsea highly unusual measure passed duly along party. He lines to forty two one eighty seven after one of the most polarizing exchanges on the House floor in recent times the Times not only for Republicans and the houses loan independent representative just an a- Masha Michigan voted with all Democrats to condemn the President John Paul Stevens who was named a Supreme Court Associate Justice in Nineteen seventy five has died the associated press reports Stevens who stepped down for the Court Twenty Ten at age ninety was the second oldest justice to serve and his delete thirty five year tenure was the third longest of the courts history Stevens was appointed by a Republican President Job Ford he was also praised by Democratic incumbent Barack Obama when he left the court justice John Paul Stevens dead at the age of ninety nine. A new report outlines severe consequences for hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians. If the affordable care act is repealed the trump administration wants a federal appeals court to uphold the ruling that says the Obama Administration signature healthcare law is unconstitutional. If the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals agrees the cases likely to go to the Supreme Court a new report from the Pennsylvania Budget in Policy Policy Center says repealing obamacare would have a devastating impact on health healthcare costs and jobs in the keystone state according to center director Mark Steer repealing the would raise the number of people in the state with no health insurance back to where it was ten years ago four pure would leave at one point five million people without insurance fourteen point four percent of the state's population. That's an increase of eight hundred fifty thousand people opponents of the law say that eliminating dominating the penalties for not having health insurance made the mandate that everyone must buy health insurance unconstitutional. I'm envious. Sears reporting North Carolina is making strides to support families with young children but there's plenty of roeper approve especially when it comes to such basic needs as healthcare and a livable wage that's according to to policy assessments by the North Carolina Early Childhood Foundation many studies have found that children's experiences in the first three years of life are hardwired into their brains and bodies making this time critical Donna white works with the Smart Start Program one of its initiatives pairs new parents with educators who helped guide them through the first few months of life with a new baby say you have a brand new mom that can be the most frightening part of being pregnant right is when you actually have the baby in your hands and now you have to go home the home visiting in hill professionally trained parenting educator who visits the family and provide some coaching and connection with other services. The family may mean white says North Carolina should spearhead a statewide centralized effort to help connect more young families to home visiting and parenting education Asian programs experts say the state could also increase its minimum wage and expand access to Medicaid to reduce family's financial and health burdens both of which have a direct impact on children's physical and emotional health. I'm Nadia Ramlogan and in the wake of sex trafficking charges against billionaire Jeffrey Epstein Media outlets are taking so pete now for how they've described the alleged victims are take it off explains dozens of news outlets have used the term underage women Dan rather than girls despite the fact that somewhere as young as fourteen when the alleged crimes committed head of the Idaho Children's Trust Fund Roger Sherman says this does a disservice to those who were harmed and obscures the issue of child abuse in this case language which makes us take an arm's length from that concern that it's about children and you think it's about adult women and it's not about children who can't give consent who are not ready to have that kind of conversation and it should never be exposed go to any of the media outlets also have received criticism for using phrases like sex with the minor Sherman says this appears to convey that consent was involved when minors can't legally give consent finally Mary Sherman tells US proctor gamble called on the U._S.. Soccer Federation to be quote the strength of the right side of history in the fight for equal pay some policy groups are our encouraging. The Ohio based company tacked on his own advice P._N._G.. Announced to five hundred twenty nine thousand dollars donation to the woman soccer team winners of last week's World Cup Championship in a New York Times add the company calling for equal pay for women players which Hannah Albert with Policy Matters Ohio says is a welcome move. She urges P._N._G.. Indeed get behind policies that make a difference such as raising the minimum wage and the Ohio equal pay at it'd be great to see these authors start to throw their weight around that would be a game changer if an entity like procter and gamble said this is a value that we hold for our own employees and we wanna see this for the rest of Ohio workers. She knows P._N._G.'s studied pay equity among its workers in house goals for equal pay in hiring practices. This is my Clifford for public news service. We are member blister supported ever online at Public Service Dot O._R._G.. Is the onion news network free time I live. It's free talk live. Were here Freedom Fast Twenty nineteen for day number two <hes> they forty long events definitely not too late for you to come out join us if you're in the Las Vegas area. We're at the Paris Hotel so oh come on out is Ian here and mark and we got course all kinds of interesting folks are here at this event is a big event and we really haven't even spent much time talking about how big on event this is. I think we got seventeen hundred participants and and <hes> guests I guess <hes> because they gave us a back a few of our two thousand <hes> bag stuffers Oh right right because <hes> because we're kind of like a partner sponsor eighteen hundred we'll get put an item in the bag okay gotcha. That's a great turnout and of course huge. It's incredible and there's a gigantic room next to us here. We're GONNA we're in a very large room that is essentially full of. I don't know a hundred at least vendors. Maybe it seems like there's a lot of vendors in here. It's a it's kind of a Pasha then a little bit to twelve dollars. A Beer Pasha van yeah yeah ended up sneaking out of the <hes> the party last night to grab a beer from the other are expensive place but that's not as expensive because you know what you put it a. I think you put it right knee having never been to vegas before <hes>. It's you described it as shopping malls. Basically the casinos are basically shopping malls with hotel hill rooms upstairs <hes> so that's what you know it's. It's really clear that that's what's going on here and it's kind of an interesting place so we can talk more about that ETA later time <hes> because we will be here for as I said another couple of days and then we've got a possible number event. We're still not quite sure what's going going on Sunday <hes> we. We may be broadcasting son okay. We'll see <hes> but anyway we'll tell you more about that. As <hes> as we get closer to confirming what in where we're going to be as a secret location from from what I understand this yes <hes> on on Sunday Sunday so <hes> let's see we've got a special guest here. Jeff Cantor is with US and <hes> he's joining us to talk about something. We've discussed. Previously we've had a couple of advertisers at least one that I can think of in the past asked well. Jeff is a former advertiser. Okay great that <hes> you know do health sharing group or kind of like Medical Sharing Jeff <hes> is with your health freedom hub dot com now. That's that's not a name that rings rings a bell with me. They've had a rebranding okay so that would be that will be why jeff welcome to freetalklive. Thanks for having me today yeah. It's a pleasure what you do isn't necessarily health sharing. It's connecting people with the right health sharing organization for them. Is that right now we're actually are the actual executed okay ball of their healthcare needs and so on and but what we're doing us an updated variance like everything a build on the pressed and so this is actually not considered medical costs sharing during the current parallel of it but it's basically a business oriented so small business owner of hundred fifty couple hundred employees. Let's say they would by medical cost sharing program so that they're going to participate nationally with all the other business owners so they're all kind of pooled together that gives them the power of the of the purse and so they're going to be able to get all their medical bills pesos if they similar says that they had health insurance well. Can you tell me what what is you know what makes us different from health insurance to healthshare well. It puts you in control. That's the difference to this is the only approach where it's bottom up everything else. top-down oriented pharmacy dictates pricing they don't want to have anybody know what the cost is the hospital. You can't get a price on anything. They always ask you what insurance assurance you have because the copay with this one is different than that one and that's what it costs. You know that's not what it really costs. I'll tell you what when it allows you to find the cash price and you work with you with your money and hey. You're basically become a cash herself. Pay Patient with us back you up so you're not having to reach eighteen your wallet pay right world when I went to the hospital with my wife and we're having the kid <hes> they were very adamant that I give them my <hes> health insurance. I'm like look my health. Insurance will not cover this and they said we needed anyway and so they kept badgering me. I gave them my health insurance number what happened Oh now you have to pay full boat. There was a discount for cash pay but because you have health insurance even though it doesn't cover it and we badgered you until you gave it. Oh you gotta pay full boat so <hes> then I had to go to to battle with these people and <hes> you know fighting argue with them and they're not out there for you now now just to give you a simpler symbol personal example. I'm GonNa town down with a very famous surgery center as well as hospital and they're highly rated for hearts and every other kind of thing okay and then there's a independent surgery center and Oklahoma that's on every single surgery or test or whatever it may be there one tenth the price right to know serves as one. That's taking bitcoin. They're not doing that this. Is I know they may I mean they would be one early adapters. They very well. A friend of ours Pete Air went there for I think he went somewhere in Oklahoma. Surgery could be one of the first pioneers to do it. It would be them. What do they call that particular places surgical center of Oklahom- they were the first McDonald's or they like published the price and where they would fool you? Let's say even with cash price. Let's say go to this place on describing and they give you like okay. We'll give you this cash discount but then when you get the builders facility charge anesthesiologists charge. It's like they the thing all of a sudden back up to thirty eight thousand dollars or whatever it was just told me is going to be four grand. Oh Yeah for the surgery at South so anyway I was at the place and so they wanted a charge you know so the first thing and it's funny you think you're at a cruise ship for some big event where they got all the counters of people ready to check you in and you sit with a <hes> you sit with a <hes> concerts person awesome we sitting little rating area then they call you sit at one of the tables with the little person there and their whole job is to get all your insurance Info Yep so I get seated and they tell the person Oh I pay cash have no insurance that all none and Medicaid I so I had no government anything. I'm just totally thank cash on my own pocket and she's calling her manager over. Do the exactly but here's says we'll have told her that you're from Lithuania like what you're talking about her couple above her knew what to do because she was the press have been around for a while and knew the drill so she go so then they call me and then somebody comes in the shoulder and they take me completely off the main floor into this little special totally small persons officer actual little office and they're showing me the cash price and prices were not as cheap as Oklahoma but they were a heck of a lot cheaper than I had a paid sitting down at that front desks like you said interest. No one knows what anything costs on the health world and that's what we help do is educate you but then on tap that we provide you somebody to make it happen because everybody loves to all I can find a cheaper prices but but hey wouldn't you do it for me. Can you make the call and may so that's the we delivered to because we know everybody's busy and it's not your business right. You'RE NOT GONNA YOU'RE NOT GONNA get the low I mean you're going to get a much lower price than I am. If I starting we know where to go from day one you don't know where to go to get on the Internet. Google it no way eventually you could find the place that we might send you but you got time to do that. So these health sharing plans what are these compare as far as price to re insurance it depends on your age in the state that you're in because their space age banded so where price for twenty two twenty nine thirty to thirty nine forty two four nine sixty to sixty four sixty five basically health insurance similarly is only set up until you're sixty four yeah because it's sixty five. You're obligated to go on Medicare. I mean have to but ideally you're GONNA go Medicare's and social security because then you're going to buy Medicare supplement a Medicare advantage plan and you're GONNA get a prescription card so we only carry the you up through sixty eighty four is at work or if your employer there's no option for somebody that wants to avoid <hes> government <hes> pro now. We're trying to save the regular free market of what's left of it so to speak because there's no government health program in this obamacare which is still just got had a lot of control. It's only over the uninsured and not get from work. That's why they won't do that Medicare for all because they want the control which means I gotta get everybody. That's getting health insurance from work. I know a government version and now we got everybody were able to control roll them so in the health medicare world when you're sixty five and up they already did it. They own all of us at sixty five were done independent citizens any laws insane. That's an creative because I told me you have the standardized is Coca Cola battle and you both get make a cap. For how different can your two caps be. If this is the thing you've made need to make an attack so if you buy a supplement they the only way they can compete as I give you silver sneakers free and I'm giving you back rubs to other than that. It's all the same because it just paying for the standardized Medicare so when you say it's based on age is based on the age of sort of the oldest person in the oldest person in the family you know the child to the waste forty eight or whatever the discrepancy A. B.. So there's a little difference. If you're a single person a couple of families a different charge. It doesn't matter how many kids you have and then what's nice about a to get the pick your exposure as and what makes it much more honorable is the fact that it's based around a particular incident so as an example. Let's say you know you broke your leg and that was like actually hold that thought Jeff. We're GONNA come back here. Can you stick with us for another second. What were Jeff Cantor <hes> he's from your health freedom hub dot com? I want to kind of also go back to the history of this medical sharing in a way to this come from <hes> there's more on the way here from Freedom Fest Two Thousand Nineteen. It's freetalklive health important to you. If you don't like your teeth fresh breath or kissing people then by all means stop listening several years ago I met Jessica Armand Founder and C._E._o.. Of My magic Mutt and I became passionate about the product that she created and Never WanNa live without. It's clinically proven to whiten teeth but I find it does much more. They want you to love my magic mud. As much as I do so they're giving you a money-back guarantee plus twenty percent off go to my magic mud dot com and use Coupon Code F. T. L. Twenty at checkout magic mud dot com the F. T. L. Twenty bitcoin dot com has launched a trading platform at local BITCOIN DOT com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods like pay pal then Mo bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash there are no idea requirements airman's to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading platform that respects your privacy visit local dot bitcoin dot com to get started trading bitcoin cash local dot bitcoin dot com. Does your dog it scratched stinker shed light crazy. Come to dynamite for help or a ninety day supply of dinovite dinovite for life pickup two tubes of dogosuds get the third tube free peppermint tea tree lavender dogosuds shampoo made with don natural coconut jojoba aloe great for healthy skin and soft shiny coats but no itchy harsh chemicals lather up rinse away try dogosuds by to get one free at dinovite Dot Com D.. I N. O.. V. I. T. E. DOT COM gold has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure investment historically mcilveen. I._C._A.'s helping people take delivery of precious metals and find storage options for decades. They helped thousands of investors with their precious metal. I._R._A.'s call today for your free portfolio review in eight hundred five to five nine five five six or download the free report online at ICI GOLD SILVER DOT COM to learn how you can double your gold and silver ounces even within an I._R._A.. Eight hundred five to five nine five five six I see a gold silver dot com anyone can publish on the Internet but not everyone is publishing material suited for online reading according into the Yahoo Style Guide it cautions that Internet content has a few seconds three or less to encourage people to read more to take action or navigate to another one of your pages so make it easy for readers to pick pick and choose isn't that the way you poke around online use short words short sentences short paragraphs bulletin lists and short pages front-load what you right putting the most important information and at the beginning of headlines Paragraphs and sentences same goes for your keywords what someone would likely type into the search box on yahoo or Google for more tips on communicating better online or in a job interview or everyday everyday life its survival speech dot com. I'm Holland Cooke the L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Social media channels have been revamped. We'd eliminated facebook and focused on other platforms like twitter and mastodon. The decentralized is alternative to twitter on our accounts. You'll find posts from multiple L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Show hosts together in one place. Follow us on twitter at Twitter Dot L. Our end on F._M.. Or better yet moved to the decentralized mastodon social media platform at toot dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. T. O. T. Dot L. Dot F._M.. I think you'll like it so you've signed the Shire Society Declaration and are planning your move to New Hampshire to be around more liberty oriented people next sign up for the Shire Society Forum at Forum Dot Shire Society Dot Com. They're a bunch of people there who are already in the Shire and they want to meet you. If you're already in the Shire physically you should also come by the forums remember. Not everyone uses facebook. New People are signing up for the Shire Society for every month so drop in and say Hello at Forum Dot Shire Society Dot Com back to the latest episode of Free Talk Live presented by cycles Cei- downloaded for free at FREETALKLIVE DOT com. This is free talk live. We're answering them. Fast Twenty nineteen at Harris Hotel in LAS VEGAS FREEDOM DOT COM to learn more about the event which is just chock doc full of things to do. I mean we're talking about. I'm looking at the schedule right now. <hes> Exhibit Hall Revoli Bordeaux Burgundy Chow Chablis right brutalizing French's at the parents La Champagne champagne one four versus different tracks and tracks. That's this is the biggest most tracking convention say I've ever been to saying for the last three months on the air that that freedom fest is the largest liberty oriented event in the world and this is the largest liberty oriented than in the world and it is just there's all kinds of people here from all over the world so jeff cantor is with us here. We're talking about health sharing or medical costs Mary car-sharing guess <hes> What what is there a difference between those two halt sharing typically synonymous with religious based first one's brings me to question so <hes> previous advertisers we've had on this have have been these religious based organizations and <hes> you know while I have a religion and mark has a religion not all of our listeners do and our religions might not exactly line up with the people who run these things and <hes> and so I know that like for our some of our atheist listeners or <hes> you know nonbelievers or whatever folks like that it kind of makes them feel weird when they get in you know when they go to the website for these other organizations in the gets it gets into real kind of religiously won't take him anyway kind of look the other way and say well. I'll buy because I want to say money even if I don't believe all these things here some I mean is a good example apples which ones I'll tap my head but you actually have to have every week your pastor sign off on a foreign this show you were there. Oh wow otherwise you're out because they're rarely religious oriented because you see the differences and you can make some sense of this and the idea of medical cost sharing. We're sharing the money so in certain respects we think of insurance like if you have all state and you're paying for your home owners as an example you figure well everybody in America that has all saints paying money so some M.'s my house it's out of that PAT and money that they pay for my house to get fixed. Well let somewhat true but they've got shareholders so it's a public company and they're investing money so but in medical cost sharing and healthshare in us what I just described the only money they've gotten that pot is the money that everybody in the country paid in every month don they haven't got one dime more and they didn't invest in one single thing but they're also not spending anything. That's not really related to doing bang for medical bills other than a little small administrative fee that costs a hire some people to push the money right and that's more honorable and somebody's paying for the advertising and you know you WanNa tell you and I worked for the years. I've been thirty some years in this business. We used to bring in so much literature and these organizations like Bluecross Blueshield they publish these they look like beautiful magazines like Time magazine and we would order so many just throw them all away before you knew it because new ones came or whatever how much money did all of that costs and the boxes were so heavy. I only used to wonder all how much the freight eight was sure we were just and we were filmed at dumpster with this stuff so the the organization you're involved with now. Your health dot COM is not a you've got to be a religion to join it right now. Part of what we're about now's we've Kinda really broader scope because as we've been at this for about six years already we were largely just a medical cost sharing approach but now it's grown because this whole free market is continued to grow which is exciting why we're excited to be at this particular event here freedom fast so there's has now ways free to increase the amount of money that you can have on hand. There's ways to go to cash-oriented doctors and like we were talking about that surgical center all this has emerged in the handful of last year's that this is going on and now the doctors are wholesale switching out of being insurance oriented oriented and being paid cash like everybody else. Let's go back to the beginning you mentioned when we were off the air. You talked about going back to the nineteen forties. Where the you WanNa tell me what happened? How did this can you tell you? It's an interesting because I didn't really know myself. I got involved to make some money and sell insurance that people because everybody needed insurance but lo and behold in the old days in sub. You probably remember this doctor would even come to your house. Yeah Heard About your mom and dad and I remember number. This is I'm old enough and my mom does Dr Welby and all these other great shows you see on T._v.. In reruns but the doctor were literally come to your house or they have looked a little local office that was sometimes in the front of their house and you just pay them money for whatever they did and if it was bad you went to the hospital. I've been to one of those guys today. That's what I say. It's funny because everybody said Oh look at this new idea of having these microbrews when everybody used to just drink budweiser. It's like no before Budweiser. That's all we had were micro uh-huh but budweiser put all those other guys out of business and became like this giant monster and then everyone only if I can make myself and it's like Oh this is great but be while with this whole hospital world that's come full circle again because the doctors would incrementally and it was incremental Azam. You know hey you now. You need this one more form but I'm making pretty good. Money's a doctor all right. I'll take that but here's where starting backing up per minute so in the forties you know there was a schism of the United States as to whether we're going to be socialist in some respects or if we're going to be free market and the powers that were in government which is no different than today like the idea of control and took control. I need your money so they were GonNa Create Social Security and Medicare and all that stuff in that era and so it's a the doctors kinda split a to camp so one that said hey I like that idea because there were some that believed it <hes> and others I want to have my independence and I think I can make it on my own. I don't need to hook up with everybody else and beyond the Dole as a doctor so that's kind of where it went but then what ended up happening later on this was a Nixon's era so this is where they really accelerated things in the seventies you may remember they had wage in price controls member of that era. Oh yeah some people probably really do but they did and so what they businesses like G._M.. Look you can't give anyone arrays and you can't raise prices either because if Vietnam War all kinds of stuff was happening at the time the economy and the whole nine yards and again they were politicians and they figured they knew better than anybody else how to fix fix the economy and everything and then because if you WanNa fix the economy you certainly go to politicians you know like the one guy was P._J.. O'Rourke said whenever I want to make things cheaper the first thing I do is higher bunch of lawyers from harbor brought into work on Hillary cared. He was making jokes the era about that stuff but you know that was what ended up happening is that they began to make it so complicated and so at this weights in price controls and this is where flip this is totally where the thing really flipped in America. They told the employer that look if you give them like a benefit like this this or whatever which was like whatever but the key was or health insurance is a business. You get to write that off because you can't give them a raise. So how do I lure new talent went away from G._M.. I want to get the guy from Ford. I'm an offering a killer health insurance package and some and suddenly now everybody in the whole United States. There's a lot of people assume you get your health insurance at work right right. That's what really changed everything now. Everybody expects to get that somehow I mean like like their medieval lords that provide you with everything that you you're just the surf that goes out and cuts the week down. I mean does that what you want in your life. Do you want to be a domesticated lapdog or do you want to be a wolf running. I'm free the choices few people that almost have an epiphany but they didn't even know they're having one is when I would get people that came to got fired from their great job at whatever it was an out of their paycheck they were only paying like to fifty or whatever some low number month that came out of their paycheck that their health insurance expenditure and now they're Cobra so they would call me up and say online Cobra and you know what covert psyche really expensive. No hope is what the price of your health insurance has always been. You only had to pay two hundred whatever doubts of that bill that you're looking man now the rest was paid by employer which could have been your paycheck jerk Peggie not been getting your health insurance at Work Jeff. Thank you for coming on free. Talk Live from your health. Dot Com really appreciate it. We got more all the way here. This is free. Talk Live where Freedom Fast Twenty nineteen. Don't you hate that feeling in the pit of your stomach when the police pull you over will have no idea how to handle it properly and they promptly get fed into the municipal fee generating meat grinder or maybe you recall that feeling you get when you go to the mailbox box and see one or more letters from the I._R._S.. You get a sense of impending doom. Don't you so let me ask you if you could learn how to use the law to beat the I._R._S.. Traffic tickets almost any courtroom scenario collectors electors credit card debt and even mortgage debt because of fraud perpetrated against you with that be worth knowing about don't laugh investigate check out the life changing benefits of the Lighthouse Law Club at their website website Lighthouse Law dot club. That's Lighthouse Law dot club and while you're at it visit the Lighthouse Law Club Youtube Channel You might be in for a pleasant surprise free. Talk Live stopped her from down people. Stop people are four parks all denying they used force dogs. They used firehoses firehoses. They brought in the National Guard. Come on man which you don't even know what have your your own. We're talking to your talking four Branko. St James acknowledged that there's a bunch of bad laws today but are you saying now that today that bad laws should be obeyed by good people bad loss to be changed any time not breaks down but in the meantime you're saying obey. All the bad laws no matter what they said you. Do you need to obey the law is the way Roussel Kissing booth. All those slaves should've stayed off in their masters houses. They shouldn't have escaped because that's the illegal talk live seven nights a week from seven to ten eastern live on the Liberty Radio uh-huh network at L. R. N. Dot F._M.. The new fourth edition of healing our world the compassion of Libertarianism we'll take your understanding of liberty to a deeper level and has ever thirteen hundred update references new cartoons and a forward by Dr Ron Ron Paul with discounts for multiple book purchases. The fourth edition of healing our world is a great gift for the Liberals Pragmatists Environmentalists and Christians in your life who think libertarianism is cold hearted get yours today at healing dot freetalklive dot com and use is Promo Code F. T. L. for a five dollar discount some of you asked and now we've delivered L. R. N. Dot F._M.'s live key New Hampshire. Studio shows are now streamed in H._d.. On twitch visit our channel at twitch dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. And give it a follow. If you have Amazon prime you get one free subscription on twitch if you use it on our channel which will give l. are F._M.. A monthly piece of your prime subscription cost still please watch follow share and subscribe to twitch dot l. r. n. Dot F._M.. That's that's twitch dot dot F._M.. Would you like to hang out with pen Gillette. He's keynoting freedom fest. This year I for one in thrilled. Freedom Fest is the largest liberty oriented gathering in the world. They take a big ten approach with Libertarians Conservatives. It was liberals anarchists and just open minded people mingling together to hear real debates share real solutions and converse freely this year's theme is the Wild West Time of liberty and opportunity or a time of anarchy in violence. Maybe both go to freedom dot com slash slash F. T. L. and get your tickets now. Freedom Fest Dot Com Slash F. T. L. Not convinced yet. Hey I understand. It's a high end event even with Coupon Code F. T. L. E. BE SURE you're likely receive investment advice. That'll make that some seen poultry. I have something special special for you. GO TO FREEDOM FEST DOT COM Slash F. T. L. and you'll get the five best speeches from last year for free. Call it a test drive do yourself a favor and go to freedom fest dot com slash F. T. L. freedom fest dot com slash F. T. L. use coupon code the F. T. L. E. B. for a discount. This is the most recent episode of Free Talk Live presented by Saco Cei- get interactive at Freetalklive Dot Com <music> handler at freedom past one hundred nineteen twenty seth a Paris Hotel <hes> would you here. You've got in and mark and do want to make sure that you know about the edge wallets. It is in my opinion the best <hes> crypto currency wallet out there at the moment. It's the one that I use more often than <hes> than any other and it allows you to buy sell trade and securely hold your crypto currencies. It is user control meaning you own your money because you're holding on to your own keys. Nobody else's in charge and that means you gotta take responsibility for your money as well <hes> so you got to protect your wallet keys just like you would protect your a real life wallet <hes> but it's got support for. I don't know dozens of crypto currencies. We've got a fraction of the list here but narrow ripple stellar bitcoin cash <hes> theory. I'm Bitcoin B._T._C. and dash more get a veteran team. That's been building crypto currency while it since two thousand fourteen go to edge DOT APP you can learn more about <hes> the APP at their website edge dot or just go ahead and download it from your favorite apple or I._O._S.. Or excuse me Android <hes> play early store APP store whatever thing that you get software from <hes> so edged on APP I love it as we continue here from Freedom Fest Eric breaky is joining us here in the remote studio that we've got Eric. Welcome <hes> to freetalklive or I guess welcome back you say hey that <hes> at some point in the past from the Porcupine Freedom Festival that we actually talked to you so yeah I think we talked a little bit maybe during the U._S. Senate campaign last year but before that it hadn't been since <hes> Pork Fest Right after the Ron Paul Twenty twelve camera that is as long time ago pork fest tends to be a blur to some extent so I I wonder why right so you're actually a former state senator in Maine Best Right. I served two terms <hes> one in two thousand fourteen race they they said I had no business winning one by pretty big margin all right <hes> and daringly you did a business yeah beat a guy had been in office longer than Been Alive Pass Constitutional Kerry welfare reform right to try expanded medical cannabis some things very proud of and and those are some great successes. We're we're trying to expand liberty well. We're we're we're in a nice night competitive risks with New Hampshire. I don't know if New Hampshire's aware of that but we're we're trying to hold her own. These past us up. Please please so what's your history with with caring about freedom you know how did you end up becoming liberty minded yeah. It was really a two thousand ten my brother my oldest brother Matt was big Ron Paul Supporter. I was not so wise is but you know my defense. I was still pretty young and he kept beating me over the head with Ron Paul eventually something sunk in and I realized so much of what we've been told about our country and our government and to party politics because I realized it was ally and both parties were screwing us over wow turns out. That's just went from there too. I WANNA run for Senate. I mean how how far of a jump did you. It happened a lot more gradually than never actually thought I thought that was what I was in for. I I actually I got my degree in theater. Acting Move to New York City professional actor got involved with the grassroots Ron Paul campaign there that led to job with Ron Paul campaign moved a main where my family's from okay for ten generations and we won the state of Maine row up in Maine now. My family parents actually moved away after college looking for looking for employment. It's been a problem main for longtime. Young people get an education then look for jobs and they have to look elsewhere but we came back to Maine every summer my life not a year's gone by I haven't set foot on main soil okay. My parents are back there my family's back there and glad to be back there myself and ran for state Senate two years at the gate. You didn't run for state REP BR anything like that state representative at the time so I figured well Jeez. I'M NOT GONNA run against her run for state Senate and and one first time out. That's a pretty amazing success story it was I mean besides your fantastic campaign. What's the factors that lent to this occurring well? I think the great thing about about states like New Hampshire and Maynard the legislative districts are so small can literally go and knock on every door and the district's knocked on eight thousand dollars. I that's what did it absolutely and Oh of course when you go to the door I mean I think sometimes libertarians we can be a little preachy but most people frankly that care a lot more about what they think than what you think gay wants someone who's going to listen to them. Listen to their concerns their problems and then you know from the Libertarian perspective understand their problems and suggests maybe how liberties the answer not more government note you were running as a Republican though right but presenting pretty principal pro freedom message to ABS- absolutely I <hes> I've liberties always been kind of what I've I've lead lead on what I believe. It's it's and Ron Paul Republican very very much so ron I would not be wearing today if it wasn't for Ron Paul pulling me out of the Matrix and making me aware of all of this honest plus that man he's amazing yeah really still still going one strong today yeah in his eighties. I think now eighties I expect he's going to be another eighty years. Good health regime. He stayed active so take us now to today. You know you had an amazing success as state senator her. What are you doing freedom fest well? I'm <hes> I'm getting ready to launch a campaign for Congress in Maine Second district which is a very <hes>. How many districts are in Maine? There's two districts so there's there's southern Maine which is based around the People's Republic Portland's all the Socialists the socialist lift and there's northern district main the second district which we're all the barrier yeah no his is very rural <hes> very republican for for the for the graphically ugly. How big is <hes> to versus one huge? It is geographically the biggest congressional district East Mississippi Okay and for the last four years until two thousand eighteen. It was the only read Congressional district in all New England. It's the <hes> yeah it's also contains the county. That is the largest east of the Mississippi ristic restate which we also actually we also actually refer to it just as the county it's so so big and so sparsely populated press kyle is used to be on that and so much more press kyle is so as a whole bunch of trees great great people up there people who really understand what liberties all about people who <hes> I just wanted to leave him alone. I feel in Maine where the kinds of people who <hes> who want we want our guns and we don't want the government telling us to do what we're doing with cannabis. We just want to be left alone to make our own choices to live our lives and use the fruits of our labor now as we see fit. Did they ever legalize fireworks in Maine <hes> we did actually when Republicans took over in two thousand ten that was one of the first things that got done now before my time but <hes> remember today like I've only been two main like once or twice and I remember going there and and seeing signs this is before this happened where when you came into main they would threaten you about fireworks because they knew that people were going to New Hampshire to buy fireworks and then smuggled them back into main. There were literally signs on the side of the road that that had threats. It's like if you get caught with fireworks. You're in trouble welcome to Maine. We'll move the ball to Massachusetts Matala fire where all the signs of the signs <hes> yeah. I mean absolutely if you're not free unless you can blow your fingers off. Freedom Freedom has the ability not just to make smart decisions also dumb decisions in fact what it comes down to as if you know freedom is the ability to make a decision that is different than what the mainstream determines the best decision is and if the mainstream at the politicians if the bureaucrats could be trusted busted somehow choose the right path now these people you know that we affectionately referred to as liars and thieves every single one of them right that somehow these liars thieves could put together a system of the best action for the course of a human human life then sure okay if you can come believe that nonsense but you know somehow too many people who make a bad choice under a system created with from freedom and it's just amazing how Oh people's minds twist around you know <hes> they they start with the premise that politicians are liars thieves and they they just go from there. Let's give them control over our lives until it reminds me of I I remember <hes> years back hearing about <hes> the Federal Government Program Funding Teaching people how to save money. I just I well. That's a little ironic for the federal government. Tell us how to save money from their position twenty two dollars in debt. It's amazing at this yeah this point <hes> you know what should they be talking about. Saving money two thousand five wasn't the Americans uh spent more money than they had and then the great financial crisis follows that and of course the Federal Reserve Prenton trillions making it so that you can't save get ahead contributes to all of that so you're a hopefully future and certainly former politician are are they the liars thieves that we think they are. They just what what what's it like from the inside. What would your assertion be as a sort of a generality of these people I would say I think for the most part people who run for office and get involved in government have good intentions? It's not that they're bad people people I want you to finish the thought here in just a moment hang on for another segment all right Louie more with <hes> more. They're cranky. He's here with us. It is free talk live and we're at freedom past twenty nineteen because in big trouble with the I._R._S. Code How much ninety ninety two thousand dollars out the I._R._S. Left no room for Jake to breathe. They put a lien on my house to call the money out of my bank account to my Miata my paychecks so it was a nightmare. He needed help fast. I figured that all these companies were the same until I called all federal tax management. You could just how they knew what they were talking about right then and there I felt like I have stopped the leans levies and garnishments fast and qualify for one of several special I._R._S. programs that could reduce or eliminate your tax debt so out of Gopher Jake. They hid what they said they would do. They threw me. I ended up saving and unbelievable. Amount I was so jazzed was extremely happy. If you owe more than ten thousand dollars in back taxes take Jake's advice get federal tax management a phone call. If they helped me they can help anybody can call the federal tax management hotline now eight hundred five zero three eighty six to five eight hundred five. Oh three eighty six twenty five eight hundred five three eighty six twenty five this is George Noory from coast to Coast A._M.. And History Channel's ancient aliens and we're proud to promote amazing energy nutrition and skincare products from Genus Visit G. C. N.. Life Dot Com for products like luminous the luminescent anti-aging skincare line restores youthful lie talapity and radiance to your skin reducing the appearances of fine fine lines and wrinkles what stem cell technology there's also instantly ageless which works within two minutes reducing under eye bags fine lines wrinkles and pours genus has products to help you with how you look and feel in a very short time. Noble nominated Dr Vincent Gem Papa has designed several product's helping the body perform better jenness products have a thirty day money back guarantee and they're available up to a twenty five percent preferred price discount see all of the amazing genetic products had G._C._e.. She see and Life Dot Com or call toll free one eight four four four four three sixty six thirty seven one eight four four four four three six six three seven is spreading the message of Liberty Crypto currency and peace around the globe worth two dollars per month to you as you may already know in addition to our Internet feed L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Broadcast on free to air satellite across north and Central America as well Ellis Sub Saharan Africa and we've been available on satellite for free twenty four seven since two thousand ten the Laura on F._M.. Free to air satellite signal is reaching some of the most oppressive regimes in the world and there's no doubt our ideas are making an impact act. You can learn more about the channels impact by watching the three minute video at fund dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. If you'd like to help free minds globally with our ideas of liberty crypto currency and peace you can donate as little as two dollars per month via via fund dot dot F._M.. You can help us continue and expand our satellite broadcast. Multiple Continents Visit Fund Dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Today and thank you for your help. Don't forget to share the link on social media. That's fun dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. So you've heard all three hours of the latest episode of Free Talk Live and you're still hungry for liberty oriented audio content. Did you know that we have another twenty. Four seven audio stream at L. Aren Dot F._M.. The Liberty Radio Network air is the latest episodes of some of the best liberty oriented podcast on the Internet around the clock in addition to recorded content. You'll also here. Live shows like free. Talk live originating from our keene New Hampshire studio so listen anytime at L. R. N. Dot F._M.. That's L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Sell for one one is a free APP for Android I._O._S.. That replaces government control nine one one cell phone one allows you to preset a group of friends or private organizations to show up at any emergency sell four one one of them nightmare for the state because it proves their so called services are needed sell sell four one one is have thousands of installs and of course it's covered by the bitcoin. No government license sell four one one because your friends won't shoot you when you're in trouble without the government who would build the emergency services you and sell for one one. Get it today and get sell for one now. More of the freshest episode of Free Talk Live presented by cycles by listen online at freetalklive dot com freetalklive were freedom freedom past two thousand nineteen and the best dot Com to learn more about this events it is massive and if you care about liberty and you're out in the <hes> Vegas area come on out. There's still a couple of days left where you can join us in and mark in our remote studio and I do WanNa let you know about helped me. Take BITCOIN DOT com. If you have a business and you want to start accepting crypto currency it is so easy as tax. It's way more simple than you probably think you just go oh to help me take bitcoin dot com follow the simple steps there. You'll get your own crypto currency wallet installed if you've already got that done while you're almost halfway done and just install the any pay app from either Google or the apple APP stores. I it's also available for Web Browser so if you if you don't have some if you just like a computer and you don't have a tablet or something at your register you can still use any pay go to help me take bitcoin dot com you can easily except bitcoin Bitcoin Cash Dash Z. Cash and about half a dozen more crypto currencies there and it's super easy. You don't have to jump through any paperwork hoops or I._D.. Verification or any of that it's helped me take bitcoin dot com and yes it is free to accept crypto currencies <hes> through hell take bitcoin join dot com. It's awesome <hes> so we've got eric break with us. He is a former state senator two-term in the northern portion of Maine having now planning a run. I guess for twenty twenty of <hes> Congressional Seat Right U._S.. Congress that's right and mark you adjust asked Eric question about getting into the political world in you know as a as a representative as a senator. What are these people really like are they? Actually you know the scum of the earth like we tend to think that they dr or something else so so my experience most politicians I mean are exceptions that Peru but most politicians are in fact nice people. That's usually how they get elected. Actually they're professional nice people right. They make you like them. They got a nice smile to make you feel good about yourself and a- another point on the political system in the United States is is that one gets elected by being a good campaigner right but that doesn't make what does being a good campaigner qualify one to do to be a good politician and the answer is nothing these things are completely unrelated. I mean we need to UNITA system that would determine what a good politician would be as opposed to what a good campaigner would be. Please go yeah well and so so I would say people most people who get elected. They're good natured people. They have the best intentions but they don't have a principal understanding what the purpose of government is and what it isn't and so when you're there and you don't have a solid principal founding foundation and everyone's coming to you with their problems you know Jesus you know <hes> we we need more welfare. We need more. We need more healthcare his very easy. When all you have is a hammer? Every problem looks like a nail when Barack Obama has this. We've we've talked about it on the Nelson's famous interview from prior to being the President I use a rep rapper whatever the Hell U._S. senator at the time and he says what separates the nation state from other organizational models <hes> monopoly violence right and at least he could articulate as many as comes as he you throw in their amazingly this called a great order than at least he could articulate what a government is a monopoly on violence if you I think I've ever heard another politician ever say this and it's the truth ruth this. They're the th the only distinguishing factor that makes this organization different than any other is that they claimed for themselves monopoly privilege on the use of violence at a given landmass. How else would they get people to obey? You can't have Medicare unless you can stick took a gun and a rich person's face and say we're taking your money and we're giving it to people who've been responsible for their lives right. I remember having a debate around a bill sadly past raising the age to buy cigarettes at twenty one and and talking to my it colleagues and frankly I hate smoking. I encourage everyone if you're smoking to quit smoking. It's bad for you. We're libertarians me to live long lives earn enough of us but the idea that government has the authority to tell adults they can do in their own lives. I try to communicate this to my colleagues in real having realized that look when we're passing laws we aren't passing polite. Suggestions were issuing threats of violence against people were saying you do this. You do what we tell you or else and that more else means there will be people a coming to your door with guns to force you to comply and if you don't comply we'll put the cage and if you don't comply with that you'll be shot dead and killed. I mean that's ultimately at the end of the day and that makes sense for certain things don't steal. Don't there are some things that I'm willing to go ahead and say that's fine. I think it is okay to use violence to tell people not to murder appropriate use of government force. I don't think it is appropriate to use violence to tell people who are adults that they can't smoke cigarettes right different smoothie enriched of violence which is of course integral to libertarianism and the <hes> just just a reaction to violence <hes> giving an organization agency to use the violence that you can use to protect yourself and now I have a problem with an agency claiming to be a monopoly in that particular sphere but hey let's solve the the aggressions first and then we'll deal with the same place Ron. Paul said you know the constitution if we could get back to that that would certainly be a much better than we are today. They would certainly be much better all right so tell me about this campaign. That's going on. You're going to be second congressional district main and win wins this election Helen's it take what's what's going on. The primary would be next June twenty twenty the no general election and be November twenty twenty. We have a great strong path to it. Of course I was the Republican U._S.. Senate nominee last year against Angus King Yup which <hes> built a lot of tremendous grassroots support with liberty with people believe in Liberty Liberty and our Constitution actually perform better against angus king than any challenger WHO's ever challenged him and his entire path there and that was a year the Democrats really swept absolutely it was a big blue wave so is that while you're not a state senator now as you step down to run run yeah U._S.. Senate can't be on the ballot for things at the same time so I mean in Maine Yeah you can't be on the ballot for two things at the same time so I had to give state Senate seat to run for that <hes> but I've been I've been keeping very involved started the free main campaign. We've been fighting back against gun control and the national popular the vote one all those battles even with Democrat control of everything and Augusta about we are launching this campaign. We're looking a little later this year but we have already filed papers and we are already fundraising. That's actually why I'm out here. In Vegas and Nevada California were fundraising zinc and anyone who would like to chip in dot COM spelled B. R. A. K. C. Beret K. E. Y.. Dot Com and chip in what you're able to we we take crypto currency. We will be taking crypto currency. We're not set up for jess yet. I will say as the Liberty Movement as far as people to Congress. We haven't had a really big victory since Thomas Mathew was elected in two thousand and twelfth and he's still there is doing a great job when Thomas Massey reached out to me and said Hey Eric you gotta run for this. We need you hear I said all right. How can I say no to that? It's a big opportunity for the Liberty Movement. We need a win. It's it's a strong path to the nomination and it's a seat. We can actually win so <hes> one thing that I've heard from politicians this that Democrats are much better about throwing ten bucks at a politician than Republicans ever are for whatever reason they just don't go and throw the ten dollars or the twenty dollars or whatever it is at a particular campaign pain which means that Republican politicians spending are more of their time because I mean you can either spend twenty minutes trying to get somebody to donate ten bucks or you can spend twenty minutes to get somebody to donate ten thousand bucks right and I'm not exactly sure fundraising works. I think there's some cap but whatever we know big donors. Here's our an issue. Can you just I I hate. I hate this terminology and N._p._R.. Does it constantly talk about that. There's a question here. There's a reason that we were so effective. In Two thousand twelve in the Ron Paul Campaign Ron Paul didn't have the big donors didn't have establishments reluctant politician. He didn't even WANNA run for this is like Oh God throwing money at me. It was because it was because the people chipping in five ten twenty five dollars of of course we did it over and over and over again by the end of it all those money bombs. I'd maxed out hundreds of dollars round ball I haven't I I gave it you know because I wanted that guy to have I wanted to hear the radio commercials right well and and and the victory was of course obviously we wanted him to become president I wanted to be I was a state director. I campaign in Maine. I put everything I could into it but even short of becoming president. I mean the Ron. Paul Revolution is still paying dividends for all of us very very digital like you said he's while you're sitting here. Absolutely I mean what does Mitt Romney Accomplished Omni Care Right. I mean I I it is. It's humorous. Look back. You Know Mitt Romney won the won the nomination we yeah the big fight at the national convention. I was one of the national delegates who was kicked out that year into Hen Pampa but at the same time Iran may won the nomination but what does his lasting effect been Ron Paul really one that year more than any Republican and I think this can be our party. This can be our nation. We can recapture it. We keep pushing forward and we keep we keep supporting people advocating for liberty whether it's through political processes like I am or through agritourism or or whatever unrelated to your campaign just kind of an issue update main <hes> legalized through the ballot measure cannabis a couple of years ago. It hasn't really quite taken hold yet right. Did the governor trying to dig his feet in the it's been a very long drawn out process we are we are getting there. I think that rules for just approved for the for the adult US program so it's moving but we'll say one of the one of the big thing that has happened after we legalize it for us now is jared health and Human Services Committee and let the effort to do a big expansion of medical program as well so now we have <hes> you can get access to medical cannabis for any condition that doctor believes is worthwhile also used to be there was a list of debilitating. She had to be on the list. They don't have to be on list now. We have storefronts popping up all over. The state is more accessible for patients in ever Eric. Thanks for coming on Free Talk. Live we coming up from freedom fest. You Love Bitcoin. It's the future right. Well no no not if everyone stops using it. I mean think about it. How many places in your town take bitcoin one none? Let's be real if this bitcoin thing is ever going to happen. It's going to need your help. The good news is the guys at any pay. Have your back we we built a website called helped me take bitcoin dot com and it's a place you can send any business and they'll be set up to take bitcoin in five minutes helped me take bitcoin dot com. What good is it living in a free country? If you don't live a free life you're stuck going to a job or stressful business. You're stuck in a relationship. We are pretty much a slave that isn't happiness. You were meant for bigger and better things there's another way to live. I'm Caleb Jones and my staff and I have taught hundreds of thousands of men how to create low work high income location independent businesses and how to date women under your terms could free life info dot com to download seven free books and podcasts so you can live a life like this to are you crypto currency advocate. The crypto tip is the ideal outreach tool to help new people discover crypto currency. It's a principal business-card-sized tip that you can give to service providers preferably in addition to a good cash Hashtag when the servers scans the Q._R. Code. It'll bring up an explanation of crypto currency how to install a wallet and allow them to claim the tip if they don't claim the Crypto you get your tip refunded to you. After a time period you specify plus if they do claim the tip you get an email alert create as many tips as you you want at crypto tip dot org. That's crypto tip dot org. If you want to know the latest about free talk live before we go on the air. All you need to decide is how you want it delivered. It's your choice visit news. DOT FREETALKLIVE DOT COM to receive are usually weekly clean news updates by email plus. We have a twitter account at twitter dot freetalklive dot com and you can follow us on the decentralized mastodon platform at toot dot freetalklive dot com so please follow us at two DOT FREETALKLIVE DOT COM TOM and sign up for our emails at news free. The latest episode of Free Talk Live continues with our three up next after the news here at listen DOT Freetalklive Dot Com you're listening into the heartland newsfeed radio. NAM Markman newsfeed dot com overview service daily newscasts for Wednesday July the seventeen twenty nineteen. I Might Clifford the House folks to condemn president. Trump's attacks on congresswoman of color as racist also honored down a new report forecast big losses for some states if the A._C._A. is repealed and a corporate call to flex muscle to close the pay gap topping topping our news the U._S. House voted Tuesday to condemn as racist president trump's attacks against for congresswoman of color. The New York ties are Portsea highly unusual measure passed duly along party lines to forty two one eighty seven after after one of the most polarizing exchanges on the House floor in recent times the Times not only for Republicans and the Houses Loan Independent Representative Justin Amash Michigan voted with all Democrats to condemn the president of it. John Paul Stevens who was named a Supreme Court Associate Justice in Nineteen seventy five has died the associated press reports Stevens who stepped down for the Court at Twenty Ten at age ninety was the second oldest justice to serve and is delayed thirty-five year tenure was the third longest to the courts history Stevens was appointed by a Republican president Gerald Ford he was also praised by Democratic incumbent Barack Obama when he left the court justice John Paul Paul Stevens dead at the age of ninety nine. A new report outlines severe consequences for hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians. If the affordable care act is repealed the trump administration wants a federal appeals court to uphold the ruling that says the Obama. Administration signature healthcare law is unconstitutional. If the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals agrees the cases likely to go to the Supreme Court a new report from the Pennsylvania Budget in Policy Center says repealing obamacare would have a devastating devastating impact on health health care costs and jobs in the keystone state according to center director Mark Steer repealing the A._C._A.. Would raise the number of people in the state with no health insurance back to where it was ten years ago four people would leave by one point five million people without insurance fourteen point four percent of the state's population. That's an increase of eight hundred fifty eight thousand people opponents of the law say that eliminating the penalties for not having health insurance made the mandate that everyone must buy health insurance unconstitutional. I'm envious. Sears reporting North Carolina is making strides to support families with young children but there's plenty of room for improvement especially when it comes to such basic needs is healthcare and a livable wage. That's according to to policy assessments by the North Carolina Early Childhood Foundation many studies have found that children's experiences in the first three years of life are hardwired into their brains and bodies bodies making this time critical Donna white works with the Smart Start Program one of its initiatives pairs new parents educators who helped guide them through the first few months of life with the new baby so you have a brand new mom that can looks frightening part of being pregnant right is when you actually have the baby in your hands and now you have to go home the home visiting in hill professionally trained parenting educator who visits to family and provide some coaching and in connection with other services family may white says North Carolina should spearhead a statewide centralized effort to help connect more young families to home visiting and parenting education programs experts say the state could also increase its minimum wage and expand access to Medicaid to reduce family's financial and health burdens both of which have a direct impact on children's physical and emotional health. I'm Nadia Ramleh gone and in the wake of sex trafficking charges against billionaire Jeffrey Epstein Media outlets are taking so pete now for how they described the alleged victims Eric Take it off explains dozens of news outlets have used the term underage women rather than girls despite the fact that somewhere as young his fourteen when the alleged crimes committed head of the Idaho Children's Trust Fund Roger Sherman says this does a disservice to those who were harmed and obscures the issue of child abuse in this case the language makes us take a arm's length from that concern that it's about children and you think it's about adult women and it's not about children who can't give consent who are not ready to have that kind of conversation and it should never be exposed to any of this media outlets also have received criticism for using phrases like sex with a minor Sherman says this appears to convey that consent was involved when minors can't legally give consent finally Mary Sherman tells US proctor and Gamble called on the U._S.. Soccer Federation to be of quote the strength on the right side of history in the fight for equal pay so policy groups are now encouraging. The Ohio based company tacked on his own advice P._N._G.. Announced to five hundred twenty nine thousand dollar donation to the U._S. Women's soccer team mm winners of last week's World Cup Championship and a New York Times add the company calling for equal pay for women players which Hannah Albert with Policy Matters Ohio says is a welcome move. She urges P. and G. to get behind policies that make a difference such as raising raising the minimum wage and the Ohio equal pay act. It'd be great to see these sponsors start to throw their weight around that would be a game changer is an entity like procter and gamble said this is value that we hold for own employees and we wanna see this for the arrestable out workers she knows p._n._G.. Studied pay equity among its workers and house goals for equal pay in hiring practices. This is my Clifford for public news service. We are member enlisted supported ever online at Public News Service Dot O._R._G.. Talk Live. We're at three impasse twenty ninety two freedom best dot com learn more about the event and <hes> it's a good one so far lots of people here. This place is packed full folks coming from all over the place and it's Ian Mark with some people coming from as far away as was where you're from Scandinavia Right Jay. Norway Jacob Baltin is with us here Michio last night during the kind of the party thing they had in this like a big. It was a cool thing they did. They actually have the vendor area that we're sitting in <hes> with like one hundred vendors and so kind of after the the event was over at like seven o'clock <hes> they set up some bars in here and basically police said hey this is the this is the Suare this is the party <hes> come here and hang out with people in the vendor area so cave everybody an excuse to kind of mill around of course all the vendors had their you know they're wears out and <hes> great excuse for people to come in and see who's he's here. This is a large room full of various different folks and so J K for somehow I found out that you were harassed by U._S.. Customs coming into to the United States. Can you tell that story came in to <hes> the U._S.. At <hes> Detroit <hes> and <hes> I came to the <hes> normal immigration posts where <hes> an immigration officer asked me some questions and as they always do they. They asked me what my business was in the U._S. and I told him I I was going for a conference and they asked what kind of conferences I and I told them that it was a conference called freedom fast trouble he's trouble and then she asked me some more questions and I thought that I will be asked questions that that post but but then a guy came in and I was taken to a room for a so-called extended interview and that was more like an interrogation or worse now. has this ever happened to you coming to the U._S.. Before have you might my the first time I've been taken to a room for an extended entity okay but you have been here before so you through customs before and so what was the extended interview light well then they continued to ask me questions and they asked justify had any <hes> more luggage than I had on me and I said I had one checked in bag and they told me to go and get it <hes> and previously I've I've been in uh custom checkpoints and other countries and they've checked my stuff for for goods that I've possibly bringing illegally into the country. There's certain things that are prohibited instance distance by this case <hes> they check my papers and that's my first time I had these speaker notes and they went through them and in pretty good old pretty much arched detail. How are we talking about like physical papers or physical papers what about electronic devices and then <hes> one of the officers asked me to empty my pockets and they particularly asked for my cell phone? Oh boy and you told me to <hes> to turn on and put it an airplane Mon King and I said it was on an inflight mode and then he told me to enter the password or else so by the way just for our listeners who are maybe unfamiliar with this. <hes> this happened to me as well coming back into the United States we were at a conference Mexico called Antarctica POCO and <hes> I it comeback in there the previous two years with no with no issues but in this particular case they were definitely looking for me and they wanted to search my devices as well and what they'll do is if you say no because you can say no to putting your PA- the Password into the device. They'll just take the phone. They'll take your laptop. They'll take whatever it is you have. That's if you're coming into the country in which you live however <hes> it's J. P. J. J. K. here. He just turned them around really. Is that true. They don't have to let him in the United States okay. He's not a United States citizen. Is that correct correct right so this this is just a privilege as far as concern. You have some <hes> you know C.. Plus students sitting there <hes> government uniform saying well. I think I'm just not GonNa let this guy in. He's got no qualifications. I don't like some of the stuff he says. That's it. Okay yeah the end of the free you come in unless you let us look through your device. I didn't know that they could deny somebody entrance if they refused <hes> basically anything all right <hes> are heading dictators so continue with the story they asked for the password or you. They want you to put it in so you didn't have to tell them the password they let you put it in me. Put it in and then then I <hes> observed them scanning my phone now when you say scanning Jimmy and do what do they hook up with the vice. No they didn't hook up in device they had another phone with which they scan my phone and I- How's that workers scandal you could see that <hes> they were looking at my text messages and when I asked the other officer when he let me go and <hes> let me into the United States I asked what about the photographing of my phone and then. He said that he claimed that they didn't photograph it that they were just translating. Oh I see and that that's bad enough so if this guy lies that he's GonNa go to prison for ten years now. No no he's just a lot. He just told alive peaking in my text messages translating them from my native of Norwegian meant to English bad enough. I don't imagine that feels good at all. I imagine they also recorded every last one of them and they'll put it in some database someplace because that's what do you lucked out. It sounds like <hes> they search your phone in front of you. They took mine. They they did an initial search with just like the guy that searched it was sort of a badge wearing uniformed <hes> character but then afterwards to UN uniformed men came out wearing chains around their her neck with a badge hanging from their their next to these were like you know detectives or some sort of playing close agents and they came out and took my phone and laptop from me that already been unlocked for the previous agent and an off. I'm sorry that the laptop had not been unlock at that point so I don't think they were even able to search laptop. They took it with them and then they went to some other room and refused to allow me to follow an observe them so I don't know what they did with <hes> with with my phone I presume boom. They hooked up to some sort of a computer device that can basically download the entire contents of of the phone so it sounds like they took it easy on on you but it still it's an intimidating process. Isn't it yeah I I <HES> I. I put myself in front of the the officer who was scanning my phone so that could observe watch. It won't watch what she was doing and then it's at some point to the other officers. The other officer asked me <hes> over to answer some questions possibly because he <hes> saw that I was watching what she was doing getting distract you so that <hes> you can't see what the the the petty bureaucrats are doing. There is <hes> you told me about one of the questions that you know almost every border agent in any country's going to ask you is how many days you plan to stay in the country that you have kind of interesting answer to that that question yet. They asked me that question over and over again and what did you see. What did you tell them I I I I said about a week and then <hes> the also had a question of whether I had a return ticket and I knew the exact date of the return ticket but they <hes> they he wanted to see some <hes> some paper documenting? I didn't have that <hes>. I thought you were told me last night. Maybe I'm dismissed recollecting what you said but <hes> that you basically tell the agents at the border essentially that <hes> you'll stay as long as you feel like it or something like that didn't you when I when I leave Norway directly when I fly out of Norway to a non singing country in in in Europe we have the centenario where you can travel without passport with an between several countries but by flight to the U._K.. which is not a singing country or to the U._S.? which is not a second country directly out of Norway then <hes> they typically asked me for? How long are you going to stay? How long you gotta be gone and <hes> my standard answer to that question is I'll be gone for as long as it suits me? Okay so now it makes more sense. You were saying that to the Norwegian guys where you're a citizen there so you can kind of get away with more you know playing games <hes> with with those guys. This is your situation you had coming into the United States. I guess sorry Mark J._K.. Thanks for coming on freetalklive. Talk Live really appreciate it. Bill like no matter how freer country becomes you aren't free. You're stuck in your job a stressful business or maybe a relationship all of which we're not allowed to do you really want to do. There's another way to live. I'm Caleb Jones and my staff and I have taught hundreds of thousands of men how to create low work high income location independent businesses and how to date women under your terms go to free life INFO dot com to download seven free books and podcasts so you can live a life like this to gold has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure investment historically Michael Beanie. I._C._A.'s been helping people take delivery of precious metals and find storage options for decades. They've helped thousands of investors with their precious metal. I._R._A.'s call today for your free portfolio truly a review at eight hundred five to five nine five five six or download the free online at ICI GOLD SILVER DOT COM to learn how you can double your golden silver ounces even within an I._R._A.. Eight hundred five to five nine five five six. I see a gold silver dot com uh-huh. Are you concerned that the values that made America greater no longer todd in schools well I am so I got my son that huddled twins children's Book Series Mine Is Jack and I'm eleven and I just finished title twin series. It taught me about Liberty free-market economics and entrepreneurship entrepreneurship. You've all the young people in your life chance of reason and clear thought because they're not gonNA get at school. There are nine books in the series and each one teaches a set of ideas that children aren't getting elsewhere tuttle twins dot com and use coupon code F. T. L. to get forty percent off. That's tuttle twins dot dot com. I'm a little obsessed with my magic mud several years ago I met Jessica Armand the founder and C._E._o.. Of My magic bud and even know my teeth were coffee stained a week's worth of use convinced me now I use it every three or four days. It's clinically proven to Whiten Teeth Ethan. I think it cleans better to my magic mud available at most local health food stores sprouts natural grocers. C._V._S. Walmart's natural beauty al but I can get it for you for twenty percent off with Coupon Code F. T. L. Twenty at my magic mud dot com F._t._e.. Twenty my magic my dot com. I've been told no in many different ways. You could hear the one here. Hey what do you think excuse me today. Hi this is now in the minute uncle running. What am I being via third? Tier crafts have a buddy wave telling people know the sound Derek Jay's victimless crime spree watch it for for free and ordered the director's cut d._V._D.. At victimless crime spree dot com there are lots of ways to listen to freetalklive or podcast has been around since podcasts began and now the F. t. l. feed is loaded with content besides our full show archives. Did you know that we make it easy for you to customize your podcast subscriptions. We have different feeds one that includes only are full shows one with just the daily digest and one with just the Ashington Post. You decide what you listen to. It's quick and easy to customize is your feeds at feeds dot freetalklive dot com. That's feeds DOT FREETALKLIVE DOT COM. Did you know you can legally exit the U._S.. Federal income tax system well. It's true and thousands of American nationals are doing it the sixteenth amendment and and the Internal Revenue Code our legal but only in a limited jurisdiction this is the basis behind the voluntary nature of the income tax learn the exit strategy provided by Congress find out more by visiting wise Paris Dot Com and watch which are numerous videos. That's W.. E. S. PERES DOT COM. You're tuned to the newest episode of Free Talk Live presented by Saco Cei- visit US online at Freetalklive DOT com. This is free talk live. We're at Breda pest twenty nineteen on day number two DOT com learn more about the events <hes> talking with so the interesting folks that are here. There's a lot of people to talk to mark here in our remote studio and <hes> let's see we've got these folks from U._S.. Term limits and they came over earlier today and Nick Tom. Mellitus is with us. Welcome welcome nick to freetalklive great to be honest with you guys. Thank you for having me. What's your role over at? <hes> term limits dot com well. I'm the Executive Director of U._S.. TERM LIMITS AND WE'RE A national nonprofit that specializes in draining the swamp we support term limits at every level of government from Congress all the way down to Dogcatcher so take us through the basics on this I mean I think most people listening have probably heard of term limits <hes>. They're almost self explanatory yeah but what what's the term you know what term limits are you advocating. Why go ahead yeah well? We're advocating basically term limits for Congress. That's our big project United States Congress U._S.. Congress Congress Chris of Panama Congress's they. There's there's collections of these liars thieves everywhere the Library of Congress than really now three term limit in the house new term limit in the Senate right so if you could do both that would be eighteen eighteen years in Washington. That's more than enough time for anyone to make their mark on the system. If you can't get done in eighteen years frankly have no business running for office in the first place <hes> and we're doing it because like most Americans we're just frustrated with the way things work up there. You know people run for office saying that it's a swamp and then once they get their they realize it's a hot tub. They fall in love with soak yeah with the perks in the privileges <hes> and the Empire Building that you have to do in Washington D._C.. All the incentives are horrible. <hes> you know anyone who's independent minded when they get elected to Congress they sit down with the leadership and they get basically the talk which is don't challenge the status quo don't be an independent thinker. What you need to do is keep your head down toe the Party party lines do what we say? Just be a cog in the machine for a dozen years or more and then maybe after a dozen years we'll decide that we might give you a little crumb of clout. We might give you a committee chairmanship or something like that and by the time people reached that point their spirits been broken. Can they've forgotten what drove them to run for office in the first place. We didn't give you had term limits. You'd get a lot more independent. Thinking leadership wouldn't be there right. There'd be no leadership. The guy that had been there forty years wouldn't be there to tell you that you couldn't do it. <hes> couldn't couldn't and <hes> you know act the way you wanted to act and thus it would be basically a bunch of freshman all the time and we see this at the State Level Illinois right now as a guy named Michael Madigan as their speaker. He's been the speaker for the last thirty seven years. He's got a total monopoly on power speaker of the state assembly right how long you've been in office. Then I mean that's fifty like something like that. He sees over his dad seat. He's in his late seventies right now and he's just got a total monopoly on power. He's got a property tax appeals racket that is also made him like one of the wealthiest People Illinois. All the power is concentrated with that guy now. Let's contrast that with Florida where I live. We've had term limits since nineteen. Ninety-two we get a different speaker every two years so the power is not concentrated with anyone person if you don't like what the speaker is doing. You don't like the leadership you wait a year. Maybe get somebody better that you can work with. I want to see that in Washington D._C.. I want to break up the monopoly of leadership and I also think I want competitive elections because right now ninety eight percent of incumbents get reelected every two years and Congress has ten percent approval rating. That's a broken system yet. Ten percents up the highest they've ever gotten four and a half just below cockroaches yeah yeah Congress's is less popular than root canals and traffic jams. I think they're still beating headlines but the Lice <hes> have asked for recount. It's just that bad so nobody thinks it's working questions as far as <hes> term limits go. How does this really solve my problems as far as freedom ghosts so I think people like Rand Paul Massey Ammash Lee? These are people that I want to stay in office in Washington D._C.. If I could get get them there I don't WanNa rush them out and it seems like <hes> you know that these term limits really are just trading one crappy politician for another so the guy it's interesting the guys you mentioned Rand Paul Amash and Massey Asi all three of them are among the leading co-sponsors of bills for term limits because if you talked to them one on one they'll tell you I I like you know being up here. I think I'm making an impact but I don't like being on the losing side of of a four hundred thirty three to to vote. I don't like the fact that you know. The swamp is is continually crushing everything that I try to do those guys would prefer that you had a totally new system in Washington D._C.. That was a citizen legislature slater more responsive to the people rather than them being in the small minority of people who actually give a damn they think that overall it would be better overall it would be a lot healthier for the system and one reason why is term limits and may congress more diverse. I'm not talking about skin color. I'm not talking about gender. I'm talking about what the people in Congress actually did before they got their. I mean not so many lawyers exactly right now over half the lawyer industrial complex it is it is and and right now over half after the members of Congress are either professional attorneys before they got their or professional politicians. If you use the term professional but really good attorneys they would have made a lot of money politics and judge seats rates are for the for the attorneys that couldn't do it right. I mean Oh man. This is hard work now. Well nothing is better than just earning hundred seventy four thousand dollars a year to sit on your ass and there's a lot of crease wings kingsway sweet deal up there so we want to diversify it. We want a system where people from all walks of life different backgrounds doctors teachers engineers small business people they can come to Washington. If they're fed up with what's happening. They can make a difference in six years and then come home to live under the laws that they make they don't have to be a cog in the machine for thirty years to scratched the surface of having influence in power but did you say earlier you wanted the terms to be limited to two or three three terms in the house six appears in two terms in the Senate for twelve years who why why did you pick those numbers so we did it because we really wanted to respect what the framers vision was for the Chambers Right. The house was supposed to be a lot more for democratic lot more rough and tumble. The framers gave it a two year term specifically for that reason they wanted very high turnover for the majority of our country's history. There's been a turnover rate over fifty percent in the house. It only really started to change around the turn of the Twentieth Century Tree the Senate Senate his Latin for Council of Elders. It's supposed to be a lot more deliberative. Originally senators were not elected at all because they were supposed to be a lot more independent than the house. I think a twelve year limit respects the difference between the two chambers. I okay and we're you who made the choice. Did you found U._S.. Term Limits. I did not know U._S.. Compliments been around since <hes> for as long as politicians have been corrupt aristotle founded U._S.. We we've been around since ninety two and we've always advocated this limit because it seems to be the consensus choice among the American people. It sounds fine as far as the numbers go but I also to myself. I'm thinking <hes> you know you use the terminology when I was over there that you what you're doing is you're asking the demons is to to to devote hell and they're not gonna do that so or what's your plan plan for the ridiculous ideal you're right. The Demons won't close down hell. The Turkeys won't vote for Thanksgiving. The chickens won't vote for Colonel Sanders so we need to do something else. <hes> we do have a plan actually the founding fathers had plan when they wrote the constitution they give two ways to amend it. The first is the two thirds vote in Congress. We're not holding breath waiting on that. The second is the states can take action under Article Five states state legislatures slightly more specifically can call a convention to get a constitutional amendment. Can you hold that thought we talk more about this here. <hes> we got more coming up here with nick penalties from term limits DOT COM and this is free talk live at freedom fests twenty nineteen in dot com has launched a trading platform at local bitcoin allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods like pay Pal then Mo bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash there are no idea requirements to sign up for and use the site site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading platform that respects your privacy visit local bitcoin dot com to get started trading bitcoin cash local dot bitcoin dot com. Are you concerned the values that made America greater no longer todd in schools well I am so I got my son. The Huddle Twins Children's Book Series Mine Is Jack and I'm eleven and I just finished a tunnel twin series. It taught me about liberty for free-market economics and entrepreneurship. Give all the young people in your life a chance of reason and clear thought because they're not gonna get it at school there nine books in the series and each one teaches a set of ideas that children aren't getting elsewhere tuttle twins dot com and use coupon code F. T. L. to get forty percent on. THAT'S TUTTLE TWINS DOT com. This is a special alert for business owners. Consultants Coaches folks planning retirement entrepreneurs and anyone who has saving an investing to build a financial future. You're likely aware that financial privacy for most people has recently died a miserable death and let's face it without privacy. There really is no security is there bankrupt governments and banks on the verge collapse are perhaps the biggest threat to your financial future today. The Lighthouse Law Club recognizes this and has been working diligently to provide safe secure and productive tools to ensure your privacy your financial security and your future financial wellbeing despite the catastrophes which many people fear are looming ahead of us find out more with a variety of free videos on the Youtube Channel for Lighthouse Law Club just search youtube for Lighthouse Law Club and insecure your future today. Did you know that free eight is a mutual aid educational and Networking Organization at free aid we support volunteers who provide first aid we do outreach to the public about health and safety and bring together medically skill freedom lovers free eight it is made possible by your generous support donors can receive great gifts like first aid kits t-shirts silver dime cards and hoodies. The free eight silver dime card project is sponsored in part by Robertson Roberts Brokerage Freedoms Phoenix and don't tread on me visit F. R. Three three eight DOT COM l. Dot F._m.. Now has a discord discord is a free text and voice chat platform and we now have our own server with a bunch of channels at discord dot l. r. n. Dot F._M.. You can join other listeners as they chat about out various things during our live shows or anytime day or night discord softwares available cross platform so you can have it on whatever device you want and take your chats anywhere join our discord at discord dot l. r. n. Dot F._M.. That's discord dot L.. L. R. N. Dot F._M.. On Free Talk Live we're bringing people to the ideas of liberty every day from wrestling superstars like Len Jacobs. You guys really are having an impact. I believe I said a lot of love where I am now. He's due to listening to free talk live. You change my mind on some very important issues years ago to random people tuning in on the radio. I'm stuck in the left right paradise on your show by chance on Saturday night from there I went on join the Free State project in become an amplifier so I mean that's really the reason why am is because I know that if it wasn't for you guys being on his yard I never would have found the idea of liberty your your amp will directly change more lives by getting free talk live in front of people looking for Talk Radio Online and on the air when you aunt free talk live you get perks like access to the ample facebook group and amp podcast visit amp dot freetalklive clive dot com to the latest episode of Free Talk Live presented by Saco Cei- downloaded for free at Freetalklive Dot Com. It's free talk live. We're at Freedom Fast Twenty nineteen dot COM to learn more about this event in go to Freetalklive DOT COM to learn more about US grab Archives Archives of the show and so many other great features there that are available to you free unlike a lot of other talk show hosts who want to charge you for accessing their websites and the various features they're so head on over to freetalklive dot com in a mark here as we continue with Nick Tomba leaders from term limits dot com. We were just talking about the proposal from U._S.. Term limits that the U._S. representative should have three terms maximum and the U._S.. Senate it should have two terms maximum and you were just about to kind of explain how we could possibly or that could possibly be accomplish. It's one thing to talk about. It's nothing to achieve it sure well like I said we're not holding our breath waiting on Congress to propose this this idea I think you're gonNA see pigs fly before that happens but <hes> there is another way to do it and that is the state legislatures Article Five of the Constitution. Let's the state state. Legislatures do an end run around the swamp in Washington and implement constitutional amendments on their own via via convention yeah so what has to happen is thirty four state legislatures need to say we want term term limits on Congress. They passed a resolution to that effect. When thirty four states Senate the states all fifty states would come together in a meeting convention they would decide what the amendment should be and then it would get sent back and need to be ratified by thirty eight states? It totally reverses the incentive problem that we have now because right now. The incentive is we can't get congressman to limit their own power. If you go to state legislators you're looking at people who would love to be in Congress. It's their dream since they rolled out of the womb to serve as a congressman but they can't get there because there's a decrepit incumbent. Somebody's lost wrench locking the door right so if you can dislodge that incumbent dethrone them they'll be an open seat. State legislators can run something like this has passed in fifteen states so far concepts been proven. You need to go thirty four states now. When you have the constitutional convention though doesn't that basically open it up to any changes that they wanna make or would it be specific to just the one term limits issue? You know no we're not. We're not calling for the constitutional convention. We're not calling for the whole thing to be on the table. These resolutions in the states are written to allow for only a single issue like term limits or possibly to issues. Maybe term limits. Let's in a balanced budget amendment not a single. One of them says that the convention could discuss whatever it wants they couldn't go in there and make universal health care a right or something they could not and if anyone tried to do that they could be recalled from their states. In some states like Florida where I live. We you have something called a faithless delegate act where you could actually face a civil criminal penalty. If you try to veer off the convention and the courts could stop that as well but the biggest firewall against that happening is the ratification because you need thirty the eight states to sign off on any amendment before it becomes part of the Constitution. That bar is very very high. That's why they're only been twenty-seven constitutional amendments up to this point. It's it's exceptionally hard to do was the last one prohibition last one was <hes> Congress can't raise their own pay <hes> while they're in in session I think it was it was like took two hundred years to get that one done finalized it ninety two right and it makes perfectly good sense. You don't want people voting on their own pay and somehow or another the founders in there yeah indomitable glorious document that is supposed to be a handed down on high from from Abraham Lincoln to George Washington Mount Vernon given to us the people and we're all bound by that somehow they didn't think about how I wonder what we should <hes>. Do you know these people will vote to increase their pay and they've been asking for it. You know I think Congress got paid based on performance they would owe US money. Talk to me about how many laws repealed and and then <hes> talking about pay raises. I'm happy to pay raises if they do the things that I want. The boy I come from this place called the real world where in order to get paid. You actually have to do a good job. That's a little bit of an alien concept to Congress but <hes> in why we want term MHM limits so are you guys working with the state governments or state reps to put forward proposals in each state yeah yeah we've got a team. That's pretty much fanned out all over the country <hes> and we're targeting statehouses and state senates for passage Nebraska's the one exception they have a unicameral so you just need to pass one chamber out there yeah but we need thirty four states houses and Senate to adopt this then we'll be off to the racist yeah there's fifteen and some of them the bills need to he cleaned up a little bit so we might go back in their fifteen that have called for either convention that would be strictly focused on term limits or would be focused on term limits plus <hes> balancing the budget so we need twenty more states to get at this through. How likely is how many states have term limits? You would think that the states that have term limits it'd be like this is wonderful and they would vote it through or the very least they'd say we have to do it so those politicians in D._C.. Should have to do it. You assume that those those politicians in the states with term limits. It's like being term limited. They're not very fond of it. I see <hes> but still we've gotten a few of them to do it Florida like each other. That's I mean they don't they. Don't you know there's some issues with members of Congress who control a lot of financial aid that get sent back to the states and they a lot of state legislators are worried that you know Congress could use the purse strings to try to punish them or retaliate if they pursued term limits so there's a little bit of trepidation with that but we're breaking those barriers down fifteen states have term limits <hes> if it's good for fifteen states if it's good for thirty six governors nine ten <hes> mayors largest cities in America and if it's good enough for the leader of the free world the president has term limits what special congress that they should be able to stay for life. Do you happen to know just off. The top of your head of the fifteen states is New Hampshire one of them New Hampshire is not one of okay no but I think argument we could make in New Hampshire is the legislature there is so deep professionalized yes the did you have so many districts. The district's are so small the barriers to entry are low because it doesn't cost as much to win you can bootstrap your way into office by knocking on doors and such and the pay is so low hundred dollars a year what you have their almost simulates the effect of having term limits without doing it. You're right about that for the most part your term limits of no. I agree with you there. There are some exceptions though in there are some like like lifelong state reps there still are those people and I think the <hes> secretary of state now this is another question would also apply outside of. Let's say elected officials so the Secretary of state in New Hampshire. He's in his eighties and he's been there longer than I've been alive. I think are like one year less than I've been alive. The man dies. They're going to cart him out and pretend like he's alive. It'll be like weaken permanent yeah so that they're drinking formaldehyde Chris. What's happening? Do you WANNA see apply to other people besides elected officials. I think having this guy's appointed by the legislature I think having term limits on appointed officials would be good. It would be a step in the right direction. It's not the focus of our activism Cheer People Fundamentally understood achieve this right before you go on and do other people fundamentally understand that Congress is the problem. That's where you have the most entrenchment. That's we have the most corruption so we want to focus on the House and Senate right now I will say though I think if you achieve this if you get this convention and you prove that concept that's going to open up the floodgates and allow opportunities to fix all sorts of problems in our country three where Congress is recalcitrant for example getting rid of congressional pensions. That's the next thing that you might see come down the pike. You might see term limits for a appointed officials in Washington D._C.. Talking about New Hampshire that would probably more of a stay each state shoot initiative referendum there makes it a little bit more defense right. There's no way to you know just sort of get something on the ballot as a as a group or individual now but what you can do is you can actually have a <hes> state representative put forward a ballot. Let nature that then can be voted on by the state reps in the IT goes to the constitutional amendments. I think in that yes you know I think you guys might actually have term limits for Congress in your your either state statutes or your State Constitution Institution. I think the legislature passed it in the nine hundred ninety s along with twenty two other states that did there was a court case that said that was that's unconstitutional. States can't amend their own laws two-term limit their congressmen. That's why it has to be a constitutional amendment but I I do remember recall. New Hampshire took action on this and it was widely supported at the time interesting so these you've got twenty two states out there that pass some kind of law. Basically all you're doing asking them to do is pass a law that says that <hes> you know we say wanted to convince Blair that we want to be involved in this convention. We are at a time but I really appreciate you coming on here. Nick just a little bit more coming up from freedom. That's Nick tumbleweeds from term limits dot Com free talk live fellow patriots. My name is todd savage founder black rifle real estate dot com like you. I was a prisoner of the left sanctuary state until one day I chose to my family to freedom to live on a sustainable twenty acre homestead where we shoot hunt garden and home score children without the tyranny of the nanny state looking over us if you're ready to flee the city to the freedom of Idaho Montana are black rifle real estate team is here the hell go to black rifle real estate dot com. That's black rifle real estate dot com. Would you like to get back that full head of hair from years pass introducing reveal from G._N._C. and Life Dot Com Beverly Hills dermatologist Dr Nathan Newman invented reveal which contains polly peptides with natural botanical and no parabens sulfates silicones are dis for a salon in quality hair growth product reveal. Dr Newman trees a lot of patients who lose a hand competence. We've created unique set of peptides which we call H._p.. The expertise contains the polly peptides from six different plants. scalping fusion treatment should be used on wet or dry scalp reveal hair care system is designed to be used for men and women alike yet reveal at G._N._C. and Life Dot Com with a thirty day money back guarantee so try reveal today and in life dot com or eight four four four three sixty six thirty seven plus a discount up to twenty five percent off for reveal at G._M.. Life Dot Com or eight four four four four three sixty six thirty-seven hunters anglers campers and survivalists get back to nature expand your horizons with the highest quality most versatile unique slingshots and sling bows on the market at slingo dot com slash Jimbo products or compaq and models start from just seventeen ninety eight. They're perfect for your bug out bag or storing in your vehicle. Give yourself yourself and your loved ones the excitement and tradition of Slingo a new frontier and archery and truly modern twist on this primitive survival tool feel the thrill only at slingo dot com. The Free State Project Has Reached its goal of Twenty Thousand Liberty Lovers who've pledged to move to New Hampshire and get active to achieve liberty in our lifetime. Perhaps you're trying to figure out what part of New Hampshire should be your destination if so consider that are keen you'll find more than one hundred fifty reasons to move too keen at Move Dot Free Keen Dot com keen is famous for its historic publicity generating activism as well as being the liberty media capital of the world. It's home to freaking Dot com New Hampshire's destination for Liberty Activism News and opinion for years. We've been compiling over one hundred fifty reasons to move too keen at move dot free keen dot com or you'll learn about some of what's happening here and what makes keen a great place to live. If if you love liberty you'll probably enjoy anywhere you end up in the Shire but do your due diligence. I please visit move dot freaking dot com for the full list of over one hundred fifty reasons to move to keene. That's move dot free keen dot com the Laura Dot F._M.. Social media channels have been revamped. We've eliminated facebook and focused on other platforms like twitter and mastodon the decentralized alternative to twitter on our accounts. You'll find posts from multiple L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Show hosts together together in one place. Follow us on twitter at Twitter Dot L. Our end on F._M.. Or better yet moved to the decentralized mastodon social media platform at toot dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. T. O. T. Dot L. Dot F._M.. I think you'll like it. BITCOIN DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local DOT BITCOIN DOT com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods like pay pal then Mo bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash there are no idea requirements to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading platform that respects your privacy visit local dot bitcoin dot com to get started trading bitcoin cash local DOT BITCOIN DOT COM. This is the most recent episode of Free Talk Live presented by Saco Cei- get interactive at Freetalklive DOT COM yeah. It's free talk live. We're at freedom past nineteen Paris Hotel in Las Vegas <hes> here for great events and we're going to be here for another couple days. Actually this is a four day long event where on day number two it's mark here in our remote studio mark. You've got a gentleman that we should talk to here. Yeah I got dave metcalf and Dave I have seen your booth at a couple of a few of these different <hes> liberty oriented oriented events and you have such a striking booth because you're able to display a product that is so visually unique and appealing and I saw it caught my attention I went over and I started talking to you guys. It turns out. It's more interesting than I even imagined. What do you do well? I'm a natural color diamond dealer. We deal in the rarest diamonds. Doesn't that doesn't sound that interesting people deal diamonds. Yeah these are naturally colored alert diamonds so <hes> out of the eighty eight million carats of diamonds that are might annually worldwide every year roughly fifteen thousand carrots will be naturally colored some color so this this kind of red <hes> Jim. I'm looking at here is not a Garnett Hornet. Green one isn't a an immoral the blue one is not a San fine the the yellow one isn't I dunno tans tonight. I don't I'm at the end of what I now. Yes no they're all colored diamonds for argument's sake or interests sake <hes> yellow diamonds for instance when when a diamond has created if if nitrogen or hydrogen is present at the time it's created then you may have a yellow diamond. If Boron is present you might have a blue diamond red diamonds they they not. They're not sure what causes them. They believed that there's a warping of the lattice of the crystal when it's in a plastic phase that makes it absorb all light but read is this call. The diamonds is that no blood diamond refers to diamonds diamonds at entered the the diamond system from unknown sources another words there there <hes> the blood diamond thing is pretty much done I mean I can't say that there aren't any diamonds in there that someone doesn't know where they came from round but really we we the industry has created a a system of rules in self-regulation called the kimberly process and that process basically eliminates the possibility of any significant a blood diamonds as it were being entered into the mark of tension so this this this process. I would think that a lot of diamonds have been around for a long time. The Bible talks about diamonds diamonds earn. Go Away so I mean how many their new a new diamonds are being brought into the system. How many diamonds that are sold? I guess in stores are just a repurpose diamond which isn't a terrible thing to say <hes> or versus one. That's knew that they dug out of the around. I have no idea no idea even lead. We're in the investment diamond business so out out of that eighty eight million carats of diamonds that might be mind annually only fifteen thousand carrots or colored. That's less than one in ten thousand wow you know and and that's interesting but what what's exciting. Is that the demand for color diamonds. Annually is an excessive sixty thousand carrots. It's so it's like going to an auction where every item for sale has four people bidding on. What's going to happen to pricing going well? That's precisely with the mechanism. That's been a play since nineteen seventy-three when they started keeping track of color diamond appreciation prices have doubled every five to eight years for the last fifty years and for over twenty years now prices in this market have never gone down not once ever at the dealer level that is through three recessions tummy about so. We've talked about diamonds in the past on free talk live there. It's really interesting Article <hes> that just tore up the diamond business by the Atlantic years ago. Is it true that <hes> basically the diamonds <hes> supply is controlled by one corporation. That's true in the colorless Diamond Marketplace de Beers although they've relaxed their grip on the monopoly in the colorless diamond business somewhat over the last ten or fifteen years basically the colorless diamond market is a supply control marketplace where they allowed they cut polished and release only what they know they can market and therefore they maintain prices but there is no such vehicle. There's no no institution public or private with their thumb on the scale in the colored diamond. Why is that how did they how do the fifty the eighty eight million? If Beer's is controlling the market how are they are the color diamonds getting out of their control. I guess it's not that they don't put them into the it's not that they don't go through their hands. The problem is there isn't hoarding. They're not hoarding back like like they had enough. I if if deers released all the colorless diamonds they have we could pay for bribery them right crash the market versus the colored diamonds which are in in fact scarce right so you have applauded releasing all of them artificial officials scarcity versus real scarcity and the reason that <hes> you know the colored diamonds <hes> continued to go up is because the demand is high as yours can make money on these easily releasing they do. They don't have enough to dominate an industry to the point where they're gonNA. I say every woman should have an engagement ring is not done like that but let me talk about what we do really sure yes. I'm a colored diamond dealer but I was not raised at the knee of my grandfather and the color diamond business okay as a as a businessman in an entrepreneur we went out and sought a widget rigid that would provide certain features and benefits to people who we saw as at risk our clients are people who are self mate people who have worked hard their entire lives sacrificed didn't take the extra holiday drove the car another a year invested in themselves their families and businesses and at the very time of life when they want to take advantage of what they so justly deserved. Everyone in sundry has their hand in their pocket. Whether it's economic instability <hes> ridiculous debt loads you know when oh six or seven there was one hundred eighty trillion dollars in bad debt out there now. It's two hundred eighty trillion dollars in bed that so I look at people who look like me gray haired people and I say how many more Oh six oh sevens can we afford to go through by seeking out a product like we have natural color diamonds a marketplace where you do not provide a social security number when you buy you have all the reporting requirements of toaster oven another words you don't have any you have the most concentrated portable discreet form of wealth on the planet that you can transport anywhere you want quite discreetly a vehicle that allows you to pass wealth onto the next generation in a very discreet way. I feel like a choir sing. God bless America that you up as you do this. I mean this is really an amazing little niche where one can truly invest in an credibly scarce item that for whatever reason the politicians haven't gone in and and after yeah you've you've hit it on the head. You know it's it's I love this business. I've been doing it for a very long time and what we really have to sell the service. The diamonds are the product but the service is meeting someone finding out what they're trying to accomplish. Are they collector to the are they just looking to make money. Maybe it's strictly estate planning or maybe they're going to move to Costa Rica and they want to have a small collection of stone so they can sell one every year in the local currency to help offset their cost of living there. Whatever that is we discover that we find what types of asset they want to advocate and then we help them build that program and of course people want to know two things they make money doing this? And how do I get my money out after I make you make money in this market because it's very rare commodity the demand outstripped trip supply by four to one. How do you get them out that speaks directly to business model? We work with new clients. Let's say for instance mark. You bought a document from me two years ago. Here's what you pay. Here's what it's worth today. Would you be interested in trading. Would you be interested in selling because we're quite happy to take those traits back. If you've made money you're going to consider trading yourself. You make money on the by selleck any real estate agent well more importantly you make money yes okay and if you're making money you're gonNA likely trait some of those stones back and I could remark at that inventory Tori over and over again when I started this we sold stones in Hong Kong auctions all the time but as the supply has become tighter and tighter we reduced our prices we stopped selling in Hong Kong and we're just using our clients to hold our future inventory for Chris but to get the inventory back. Our clients have to make money in the pros indeed. It's a win win very cool so <hes> when somebody wants to sell it back to you. Will you buy it with <hes> dollars or crypto currency or what we're not. We're not looking for people to sell back to Louis but we buy so intrigued with our clients. It makes sense for our clients and for us. The market is is is done in U._S.. Dollars but there's nothing preventing you from selling a basket of international currencies so what's the basket of international. What are you interested in you? You want to sell in sterling okay so it's Franks any variety. Okay Okay Yeah. I was just a sorry I these worlds are so brand new to me. I don't remember here is this is not an investment vehicle. You know if you have a check in your wallet if I were you a check for ten dollars and you've got your wallet. You're supposed to declare it when you leave the country. It's an instrument but I put a one carat red diamond in Pinky ring. You have one point six million dollars on your finger. It's personal property well so you can cross Dan. I don't national borders with. She's one point six million dollars. I don't know if I put it on a ring. My finger shut up never mind it'd be scared to carry all those things can cut glass right sorry to substance in the world. Don't this isn't for everyone but if you're if you're concerned about the volatility that we see as a as a result of excess of credit in the stock market real estate market every market has excess of credit <hes> our marketplace has no credit component when I buy diamonds I pay for them when you buy them you pay for them and when you sell them you get all the money which means people aren't speculating in natural color diamonds investing in natural win or fraud or almost out of time here when one invested these what's what's the lowest rate can go in. We suggest an initial entry position Asian somewhere plus or minus ten thousand dollars all right <HES>. He's <hes> from premier diamond. It's David Metcalf. <hes> thank you for being on free. Talk Live. We'll continue with more from Freedom Fest Twenty nineteen on tomorrow night's show. This is a special alert for for business owners consultants coaches folks planning retirement entrepreneurs and anyone who has saving in investing to build a financial future. You're likely aware that financial privacy for most people has recently died a miserable death breath and let's face it without privacy. There really is no security is there bankrupt governments and banks on the verge collapse are perhaps the biggest threat to your financial future today. The Lighthouse Law Club recognizes is this and has been working diligently to provide safe secure and productive tools to ensure your privacy your financial security and your future financial wellbeing despite the catastrophes which many people fear are looming ahead of us find out more with a variety of free videos on the Youtube Channel for Lighthouse Law Club just search youtube for Lighthouse Law Club and secure your future today. I'm a little obsessed with my magic mud several years ago I met Jessica Armand the founder and C._E._o.. Of My magic bud and I don't even know my teeth were coffee stained a week's worth of use convinced me and now I use it every three or four days. It's clinically proven to whiten teeth and I think it cleans better to my magic mud's available at most local health food stores sprouts natural grocers. C._V._S. Walmart's natural beauty al but I can get it for you for twenty percent off with Coupon Code F. T. L. Twenty at my magic Dot Com F. T. L. Twenty my magic my dot com some of you asked and now we've delivered L. R. N. Dot F._M.'s live keene New Hampshire. Studio shows are now streamed in H._d.. On twitch visit our channel at twitch dot L. R. N. Dot F._M.. And give it the follow. If you have Amazon prime. You get one free subscription on twitch if you use it on our channel which will give L. R. N. Dot F._M.. Monthly piece of your prime subscription cost so please watch follow share and subscribed to twitch dot l. r. n. Dot F._M.. That's twitch switch dot L. R. N.. Coming up next after the news hour one of the latest episode of Free Talk Live here at listen dot freetalklive dot you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty per seminar newsbeat <music> Martin's sixteen forty-five <music> mark fifteen gene nine eight seven six five welcome to our F._D._a.. Illinois on a Friday morning. I'm ready to phrase you're here at the Illinois. Farm Bureau in Bloomington on this Friday will travel across the country. We'll get a report from that okay and the nation's capital he was keeping an eye on the Senate Democrats strong opposition this week to U._S._D._A.'s reallocation of the Economic Research Service and National Institute of Food and AG to Kansas City. That's a very interesting conversation. Matt will have that story see bridges along with a weekly statehouse report as well talking about this heat coming in this weekend with the weather forecast and updated version Dan fixes along with an updated forecast at the tail end of today's program. Also Dan Grant has been busy this past week this field day season and he attended the Illinois Field Day Bear Northern Central Central Illinois Field Day in Monmouth earlier in the week there he caught up with many including the director of Illinois Agriculture John Sullivan so we'll be along with that interview and for the four 's report this week we'll hear from Mike Take Stain Hook. He is with the soy transportation coalition and we'll hear all about a new project proposed by the United Soybean Board they they've allocated two million dollars towards US important project. Mike will have the details sports today so stick around this R._F._I._D.. Illinois <music> would you like to learn more about water and sediment control basins and their influence on crop yields and water quality attend the Friday August second nutrient field at the Brian Satorius Farm in Petersburg Illinois at ten A._M.. With lunch included included here from egg professionals researchers and community members about ways to improve water quality in protect our natural resources look for the event on facebook or call the Menard County Farm Bureau by July twenty ninth to register C._C._A.. Credits have been applied applied for farm family food. Those three words best describe Illinois Farm Bureau farm for one Hundred Years Farm Bureau in Illinois has represented and serve the men and women who make Illinois one of the top food-producing states analii finally at the heart of Rural Illinois our traditional farm families who worked together through Illinois Farm Bureau and Farm Bureau families are proud to grow the healthy food they provide their families and yours farm family food the heart of Farm Bureau Zero in Illinois. Welcome back to R._F._I._D.. Illinois I'm Rita Frazier Senate Democrats voice strong opposition this week to U._S._D._A.'s reeducation of its Economic Research Service and National Institute of Food and AG the Kansas City. The region are empty Washington correspondent mccafe reports top Senate AG Democrat. That'd be stabber now told U._S._D._A.. Deputy Undersecretary Scott Hutchins she's deeply concerned. The Eurodisney for relocation will undermine remind the department's Research Mission the administration's haphazard decision to relocate to critically important research institutions the Economic Research Service and the National Institute of Food and Agriculture will affect real real people who rely on the U._S._D._A.. Services and hamper is capacity to support farmers families and rural communities for years to come but Scott Hutchins now overseeing the relocation disagreed the Kansas City he region is a vibrant urban center in the heartland growing agricultural hub and a home to considerable federal workforce already long-term savings ability to attract top agricultural talent and proximity to numerous agricultural constituents will enhance the mission of these agencies in the long term but stabbing argued U._S._D._A.. Could give agency staff more time to work here till the new offices already or extend the September thirtieth deadline to quit or move an ultimatum U._S._D._A.. Says could cause nearly two thirds of affected employees to quit instead. The administration is forcing out. It's employs with rush politically calculated ultimatums designed to derail important agricultural research not the approach Hag Chair and Kansas Republican Pat Roberts took. Can you assure me that these critical reports will not be delayed within the transition occurring with the air yes. I can't assure you and more so I assure you that we will see more opportunity unity to expand the region the influence of your through the use of considerable cost savings from this move stamping out meantime asked cuttings about a politico story officials kept secret a multi year plan on how to help agriculture adapt to climate change adding to the claim the administration's forcing a brain drain to end politically inconvenience research hutchings insisted the document was intended as an internal planning document only to be used to design a broader research effort but he had no problem problem with it being released for the are Empty Radio Network mccafe on Capitol Hill from the nation's capital to the state capital. This week's statehouse report was saved branch ought. That's really the only way to describe the past a few days and the rest of this weekend across the State Illinois is prepared to see it's warmest weather and quite a few years attempt storing of a host of problems with things to be concerned with. I dot urging caution when it comes to drive in the states roads excessive tense can cause those highways east buckle and fail on Sky trigeminal. We see it happen almost every year when there's prolonged periods of extremely high temperatures and if they're usually preceded by rain we do see pavement failures on our system. It's simple physics you know the pavement expands and after several hours it can <hes> buckle or blow out and that needs to be repaired road crews or prepared to respond quickly with material on hand to make those needed repairs drivers report road conditions to either directly or call nine one with the heat also comes concerns about pets. Our children left in hot cars state police say if you encounter this call nine one one I then be prepared to give a good location and description of where you are nine. One One dispatcher Trooper Mindy Carroll says you should stay with that guard and keep an eye on the occupant until authorities arrive. I think some people third a grocery store. Whatever they immediately went around him store? Maybe try to page their parents. Get the vehicle description and things like that that you do not want to leave the child or a pet because their condition maybe deteriorating in at all how long they've been in the car Gerald notes that if the pet or person in the car does look to the in distressed and you could break a window to cool that car down but if you're going to take that Steph it is best to have a witness to the act have that individual stick around to the police reporting in Springfield. I'm Steve Bridge for the R._F._I._D.. Radio Network thanks Steve this for your calendar to more informational meetings coming up next week to address the upcoming Illinois Illinois waterway consolidated closures sponsored by in part by the Illinois Farm Bureau and grow mark. We will be looking at a meeting on the twenty fifth at eight thirty A._M.. In Henry Illinois Burke's farm store that sponsored by the Martial Putnam County Farm Bureau and a cast working county farm bureau will be hosting a meeting in Meredosia on the twenty six at ten A._M.. For more details contact your local county farm bureau will break. It'd be back with more news now. It's more important than ever farmers to it up new ideas and strategies to succeed Illinois Farm Bureau's farm income and innovations conference can help you built for future join US July thirtieth and thirty first Marriott in a pound normal get tools and resources to effectively manage the tough situations. You're facing and make the best business decisions for your farm and family speakers such as Alison Van Synonym Veronica deny interlinked Brown will discuss topics including future of aggravation the outlook on exports farmland found US market outlooks and the dynamics of family farm transitions and succession. You could talk directly with specialists in policy marketing management arenas swell as Farmers Commodity Association leaders eaters and agency representatives. Now is the time to build for the future register now at I l. f. e. Dot Org forward smash F I see that's I l.. F. B. Dot org forward slash F I see this is your R._f._I._D.. RADIO NETWORK FOR REPORT FUEL FERTILIZER FEED and food all sources of essential energy. Here's Rita Frazier this week. We'll check in with Mike Steen Hook Executive Director of the Soy Transportation Coalition. Mike talks with us about a reason investment by the United Soybean board two million dollar allocation to help offset the planning design and research cost of deepening the lower Mississippi River from forty-five feet to fifty feet seventy-three U._S._B.. Farmer directors are responsible for investing swimming checkoff funds to enhance the value and preference for use soy. I talk more about this project and then key blink in the supply chain. There's not a whole lot we can do about Mother Nature when she decides to impose herself but there's a whole lot we can do about whether or not our infrastructure is well capitalized well-maintained and at one of the key variables that were just really focusing on increasingly is resiliency of the infrastructure. Yes we WANNA cost effective economical infrastructure. We want something that provides reliable delivery. We want speed of delivery. All of those things are important but we also want resilient alien say so making sure that when Mother Nature does take swing and punches yeah to what extent that knock you down. How quickly can you get up from that that really Kinda helps define resilience? Those are all the things that we really are talking about and that really focuses because on things like are in water system with our locks and dams making sure that they're well-maintained that they're not so dilapidated that if you have a major event it's GonNa really shut down the entire system but project that were increasingly working on it is the lower lower Mississippi River that two hundred fifty six mile stretch of the river starts at Baton Rouge Louisiana goes by New Orleans and into the Gulf of Mexico. We would like to see that segment of the river deepened from forty five feet to fifty feet when you're able to do that you could load ships heavier. You'RE GONNA try larger ships. It just makes our supply chain more economical and we need to explore every opportunity to make ourselves more competitive in this turbulent market and that's certainly an opportunity to do that. The United Soybean Board recently allocated two million dollars to help underwrite the cost of this critical project that I think the single most important infrastructure enhancement that we could make impacting soybean farmers in Japan corn farmers for that matter. Matter it's something that we're really fight about really look forward to to <hes> preceding weapon and promoting moving forward so that two million dollar allocation to how will that help out in the overall cost where where's a total cost assessment and then at that project the total cost the project is two hundred forty five million dollars now what what the two million dollar allocation would be used for us to get that project started of the year one funding allocation send to get the project going would involve about twenty one million dollars so the federal government they're they're responsible for seventy five percent of the cost about seven and a half million dollars from the state of Louisiana. They're they're the non federal entity largely responsible for the twenty five percent non federal cost that two million dollars would help jump start this project and once you get the project jump started <hes> Benefa- matter just kind of sustaining that momentum <hes> it's always hard it's either to sustain momentum then to create momentum and so that's something that we're really looking forward to doing. During this time of real marketing challenges planting challenges for the soybean farmer Soviet farmers could have been passive and reluctant to actually a user time energy and resources promoting the industry or they could be aggressive and farmers have decided to be aggressive than the two million dollars allocation to promote this critical Lincoln. Our logistics supply chain logistic chain is a really good example of that unhook soy transportation coalition look or more details on this project at Soy Transportation Dot O. R.. Let's check the prices for fuel across the country diesel fuel three. Oh nine per gallon national average price for the eighty five to forty three the national average price for regular gasoline to seventy nine that is compared to a year ago to eighty five state by state for regular gas here in Illinois. We paid an average three eleven Iowa paid to sixty three and Missouri. They paid an average price of two dollars and fifty seven cents a gallon. That's this week's for US report tune in next week role of the latest fuel fertilizer feed and food trends and essential energy information Russian in other news on a Friday farm weeks. Dan Grant was very busy this week. Among the field days in Monmouth he caught up with the director of Illinois Agriculture John Sullivan John Sullivan at a bear research facility lead to here in Monmouth. Johnny gave an update today on the pesticide use complaints as it relates to die Cambe and <hes> looks like some good news this year as we as the deadline just passed here. It's good news but we also have to Kinda. Put It in context because compared paired to the past two years. Our numbers are definitely reduced however because of the late planting season that we have seen this spring. I'm not sure we could work comparing apples to apples but you know right now we've received the department is has received one hundred thirty one complaints eleven or are those as of today or related that one hundred thirty one number is is <hes> quite significantly less than it has been the last two years so that's a good thing but with the fact that as you mentioned we were delayed on those some just in recent weeks d probably expect a little uptick in these numbers as we go along here. I don't think any any doubt is as you know we extended the the day to be able to apply the CAM product to the fifteenth July which was yesterday's we stand here today and so we know a lot of that product got sprayed over the last two two weeks and we may or hopefully won't see an increase but I think the chances are that will will be well we will be seeing an uptick and some of those complaints but at least as of now with us heading in the right direction I guess at least on these numbers <hes> you think it has a lot to do as you noted here with education efforts in the last few years I think absolutely I there's no question in my mind that a lot of folks out there have really been working very hard to educate the farmers and the applicators as to how to handle this product and wanted to spray when not to spray it literally tens of thousands of individuals that have been educated over the last winter and spring winter and fall of last year and and I think that's GonNa make I think it's GonNa make a huge difference so we we feel good about that. <hes> but we know we still have stay on top of it obviously director of Agriculture John Sullivan with farm weeks. Dan Grant read more about dance coverage this past week around the state in your next edition a farm week. Let's break for markets in weather with the are F._D._A.. Markets Summary For this Friday morning. I'm Jim Taylor corn double digit lower bean slightly lower and we'd ending Thursday Double Digit Lower September coin closing at four twenty four and a half down eleven and a half December corn down eleven seven and three quarters 429 and three quarters march corn for thirty eight and a quarter downtown and a half August beans closing at eighty one and a quarter down one and a quarter September beans down one and a quarter eighty-seven November beans eight nine nine down a penny and a half September week closing four ninety three and a half down twelve December down twelve five oh five and a quarter and march we'd five seventeen and three quarters down twelve August being meal three Oh seven even down fifty cents August being oil twenty-seven Lis having sixty four down four cents in current electronic overnight trading September corn up two and a half December corn up two and a half in March corn up to and a quarter four forty and a half August beans knee overnight up four and a half September beans at five and a half November beans means a four and three quarters nine three and three quarters September lead in the overnight up four and a half December lead up four and a quarter and March we five twenty one and a half up three and three quarters in the outside markets September Brent crude oil sixty one ninety three. That's down one seventy three a barrel the school contract up eleven thirty this morning fourteen thirty nine forty five stock market from Thursday August lean hogs eighty to seventy seven up seventy seven cents October lean hog seventy six ninety down ninety cents August live cattle one. Oh seven forty down seventy two cents October live cattle down half dollar one away twenty five August feeders one thirty nine forty two down one fifteen September feeder cattle one thirty nine forty seven down one thirty eight cash livestock at Fairview Sale Barn this week steers one nineteen seventy five top your direct bells and guilt trading firm on Thursday at forty two forty nine. I'm Jim Taylor for the R._F._I._D.. Radio Network Good Morning. This is Dan Hicks from Arizona's weather with the early morning egg weather updates on the R._F._I._D.. Radio Network for this Friday morning daytime highs in the mid eighties mid nineties were common across most of the Midwest yesterday with a few upper nineties to near one hundred degree readings things in the southwestern areas scattered showers and thunderstorms occurred the past twenty four hours especially in the northern third of the Midwest including some Northern Areas of Illinois early today some scattered showers and thunderstorms continue in some northern areas of the region and a few thunderstorms are possible this morning in the northeast part of Illinois otherwise mainly dry warm day is expected across the area today with highs in the upper eighties and ninety s upper eighties nineties our forecast over most of the region again again on Saturday this combined with do point temperatures in the seventies. We'll push the heat index well above one hundred across most of the mid west both days and again heat warnings and advisories remain in effect for large part of the Mid West into the daytime time on Saturday a cool front will start to move into the far northern part of the region tomorrow and work its way southward through Sunday and Monday this will bring increasing chances for scattered showers and thunderstorms farther south across the Midwest. Most rainfall amounts outs for the second half of the weekend into Monday. We'll be in the quarter to one inch rain across the Midwest with a few isolated heavier cooler air will start to move into the far northern part of the midwest on Saturday and pushed southwards Sunday into Monday with temperatures pitchers dropping down a few degrees below normal across the region as Canadian high pressure builds in from the North West Drier conditions will return to Illinois early to mid next week as this high move south eastward into the region and it looks like six to ten day precipitation will average below normal across much of the Midwest as little rain is seen during that time six to ten day temperatures here in Illinois should average near a slightly below normal. I'm Dan Hicks from freeze notice. Whether warmer weather means longer honeydew list your county farm bureau can help you stay on top of your project lists and save you money along the way a farm bureau membership offer includes discounts on equipment and supplies from grainger plus free shipping on all standard under grainger products browse thousands of items from landscaping equipment to power tools anything you need to get the job done grainger. Has it not a farm bureau member call us at three zero nine five five seven two six eight nine or visit Illinois Farm Bureau online in and joined today R._S._D.. Radio networks loss Yonki connects rural routes for you to las delivers essential farm and food related news to our listeners. His witty voice has been heard on the air for more than two decades. Here's a bit about his rural roots. Growing up on a farm prepared me for my career. I tried to know a little about a lot of things and let the people I interview the experts. I've always wanted to be on the radio. I'm just happy to do what I enjoy. The at routes or roots are F._d.. Radio Farm Week now DOT COM and firm week keeps connected with your in the mood for some pursing up urine luck from big too small or farm to front yard. Your Illinois Farm Bureau member discount from John Deere is ready and waiting to help. It's easy to think green when it's the rewards loyalty program with savings savings on equipment special parts in home in workshop products. Whether you're tasks involved mowing planting or cleaning you'll be set for whatever your work requires all you need to do is sign up have your membership number handy and go to John Deere dot com flush firm hero want to learn more about nutrients stewardship than you'll want to attend the upcoming Summer Field Day Event Bureau County Farm Bureau along with the Nutrient Stewardship of Northern Illinois will host stay Nutrient Field Day. I'm Tuesday August twentieth at the Bureau County fairgrounds this come ready for an opportunity to talk with industry experts and your neighbors about conservation efforts in your community onsite confidential water testing will be available contact Bureau County Farm Bureau or visit our facebook page to reserve your spot register by August twelfth all the time. We have for this edition of Our F._D.. L. Illinois thanks for spending some time with us today. We always eluded Illinois town community. Today we choose wit Illinois because it's hometown of Jordan Rupert. He's our feature again today on the R._F._I._D.. Livestock report with Illinois in Montgomery County Population Nine hundred ninety one the salute brought to you by country. Your farm is your family's always legacy in a part of your hometown heritage while you work sunup to sundown to get the job done their year protecting the things you love every step of the way country financial learn more by visiting country crap dot com or the entire are empty radio team. I'm Rita Frazier have a great day with the Friday am business report. I'm Jim Taylor for the R._F._I._D.. Radio Network move over Bill Gates. Did you know twenty two Americans die each day waiting for organ transplants most of them for kidneys. The good news was is that matching donors dot com is helping to change that matching donors dot com a five a one C three nonprofit organization that links organ donors with people in desperate need of kidneys and other transplants and now you don't need to donate a kidney to save a life you can donate your boat car or real estate with with one hundred percent of the proceeds going to help save the lives of people needing organ transplants visit matching donors dot com or call eight hundred three eight five oh four to two when severe weather strikes. It's important your in the know even if power goes out and sailor networks are down radio can be your lifeline and next radio is the free APP that brings F._M.. Radio right to your android smartphone no data or cellular network required and it won't drain your battery go to the Google play store right now. Download the next radio APP to your android device. Stay a tune to this station in please stay safe for a full list of compatible devices visit next radio APP DOT com. Do you want to know this secret to accessing the abundant life God promises in scripture then stay stay tuned this is passed erects daily hope the Audio Broadcasts Ministry of Pastor Rick Warren well today we continue with our series called the keys to a blessed life in it rick shows us from God's word that peace and fulfillment film in our life work and relationships is available to each and every one of us if we're willing to do things God's way in just a few moments. We're going to tell you how you can get the life-giving d._v._d.. Study Kit for this series trees you can find out more by going to pass direct dot Com or by texting the word daily to ninety nine zero zero zero while you listened to today's message right now here's Pastor Rick Warren with part. One of a message did called the strength of gentleness today. We're in part three of the series on Jesus Eight keys to living a blessed life. They're often called the beatitudes. The first date versus the most important sermon ever preached on planet Earth The sermon on the Mount in Matthew Chapter Five Verse Five Jesus says this the third key to God's blessing on Your Life God blesses those who are gentle look at that God blesses those who are gentle and then here's the promise the whole earth will belong to them. Are you kidding me. That's about the most extravagant statement ever made the whole Earth would belong to anybody who's gentle do. I really believe that I wouldn't accept Jesus said it and Jesus doesn't lie Jesus that I am the truth. Not I have the truth. I teach at youth points. I am the truth so Jesus says God blesses those who are gentle the whole earth breath belongs to them. Guess what I believe that he's saying somehow locked up in this third key of blessing is the key that when you learn what it really means to be gentle the world's Charles Yours I mean it's your apple. It's it's urine urine charge. Just not driving you. You're driving it now. In our hard-driving ego driven market get driven culture. You don't hear a whole lot about gentleness and the reason why we don't understand what it really means to be gentle. We think gentleness means means weakness and God's that's absolutely not the gentle are the strongest people on the planet and the Earth will be. There's it's the week people who are arrogant. It's the week people who are prideful. It's the wheat people who pushy and rude and mean and gossip those are weak people. He said the Shuli strong people in life are the gentle and the world will be. There's don't let me give you a true definition of gentleness. Gentleness is strength under control gentleness. The Bible teaches real gentleness is not weakness but rather its strength drink under control gentle person does not overreact a gentle person is not driven by their own emotions. A gentle person is not someone who just so moody and anything about him fly the handle. A gentleman person is strength under control. The Greek word in the Bible for gentleness is the word practice practice in the old translations of the Bible in English English is translated as the word Meek Meek. Nobody uses that word anymore because meek has become a synonym for week and gentleness. Our practice is anything but week in fact the word practice or gentleness in the Bible was actually used to refer to a wild stallion that had been detained if you go out into the fields or in the hills and you find a wild Stein who strong and unbridled and they have enormous strength and they could kick you kill you pretty quickly but if you bring that stallion back and you tame it then the strength is brought under control the strength is bottled up for the masters use and now it's useful a tamed horse is no less strong than a wild horse. It has just as much strength it can go justice fast but a tamed horse a proud taste horse a meek horse. A gentle horse is one one that it is strength under control it is bottled up for the masters use and when you learn chew gentleness as a man of God when you learn to gentleness as a woman of God's it doesn't mean you're week it. It doesn't mean you're doormat. It doesn't mean you're any of those things that you might think meekness or gentleness means it means. You're not overreacting. You're in control of your emotions and you have strength under control now. Today I want us to look at the strength of gentleness this third key to being blessed by God in your life specifically. I want to give you eight benefits. What the Bible says eight benefits of learning gentleness so this week you'll actually begin to work on this quality in your life because once you understand what this quality will do in your life you're GonNa go? I WANNA be gentle man or I want to be a gentlewoman because it brings so many many blessings in your life. I'm going to give you eight so we're going to have to right quick. Take notes real quick number one. Let's get right into it. How learning to be gentle bless your life number? One the Bible teaches gentleness diffuses conflict gentleness diffuses conflict. It'd deescalate S- anger it curbs anger it diffuses the time bomb in any relationship. That's about to explode. Gentleness is an antidote to anger. The Bible says proper fifteen one a gentle answer turns away wrath but a harsh word stirs up anger if you've noticed justice or not but it is tendency of human beings you and I tend to mimic the emotions of people across from us and the reason we do this is because there's created in your brains what are now we now know about this. We didn't even know about this years ago. In your brain or things called mirror neurons in your brain and mirror neurons allows you to sympathize and also allow you to mirror back what other people feel so for instance. Is Somebody gets angry at you. You get angry back. If somebody it gets upset you get upset back. If somebody's really depressed you hang around them long enough you get depressed on the other hand. Somebody's energetic you get energetic. That's part of the system now. The Bible says a general answer turns away wrath but a harsh words stirs up anger. Let me give you a little tip that a save you a lot of problems on a lot of heartache and a lot of conflict in your life when other people raise their voice you lower yours that simple tip will save you from an enormous amount of conflict in your marriage in your parenting and your friendships and at work when other people raise your voice you need to learn to automatically ethically lower yours. That's called strength under control. See what happens is usually when somebody raises their voice against you you raise your voice back and then they raise everybody's and you raise your voice and pretty soon. It's way escalated way up here. That means you're out of control of your emotions strength under control gentleness means that when they raise their emotions you lower yours and you're not going to mimic and mock them. Here's a good verse. You're gonNA need someday day. Maybe some of you needed this week. Queasy these ten four. If your bosses angry with you don't quit if your bosses saying with you don't quit a gentle quiet gentle spirit can overcome com even great mistakes when your boss rips one on you and just let her let let's rip and just kind of vomits on your man and really gets mad at you you need to. I realize it may not be anything have anything to do with you. They may have just got a bad phone call. They may receiving pressure from their boss. They may have a bad situation at home. They may eight a bad pizza. It could be any number of things thanks and now they're turning to the person closest to them. Which is somebody who works for them and they just kinda event on you and a lot of times that has nothing to do with you and he says when your boss gets angry at you don't get angry back but be don't walk away either just hang in there because it says a gentle quiet spirit can overcome even great mistakes number two gentleness don only diffuse anger gentleness? This is a big one disarms critics it disarms critics now the more successful you are in life the more critics you're going to have if you don't do anything with your life. Nobody's going to criticize you. The only way to not be criticized. Do nothing say nothing be nothing but if you actually stand for something is that a falling for anything you're going to be criticized and the more successful you are the more criticize you are in the more well known own. You are the more criticized you're going to be now. How do you handle the critics in your life? People Gossip against you at school at work in your neighborhood the people who malign you who say bad things against you. Here's the point when you respond in gentleness it disarms your critics why it actually disappoints them because when somebody criticizes you on Social Media They're trolling friends there trolling they want to hook you and they want and they're expecting you to get mad back. They're expecting you and and they want you to be defensive and they want you to get angry eight now. Let me explain the psychology behind this. There is actually an anger addiction that is as real as any other addictions. Some people are addicted to the feeling of anger. It's the only way they feel alive and they live in such a depressed state. They're living in so much depression in their life. The only way they can actually feel good feel alive or feel energetic is to get mad at somebody. Those people are always looking for a fight who I'm talking about. Don't look at them but you know who they are. Maybe you had apparent like that. You know may maybe you married somebody like that. Maybe at a boyfriend like that and it's just like why are you looking. I fight because some people actually don't feel very good until they get angry and when they get angry then what happens is it energizes them and they feel a whole lot better that makes sense so you cannot let let them pull you in because somebody's going to say something to you on on Instagram or Google Plaza facebook or twitter or something and and if you respond to go hook them now. I'm just GONNA real a man and they feel so good because they love getting in a fight normal. People don't love getting in a fight but some people do now. They're trying to hook you. What do you do in those situations? I Corinthians for thirteen thirteen. Paul says here's what he does. We respond gently when evil things are said about US in other words. We don't retaliate we don't get back. You see if somebody hurts you that puts them below you. If if you get even it puts you even but if you respond gently it actually puts you morally superior to them and Paul says we respond gently even when evil things are said about US Titus two eight. Is this your conversation. Sation should be so sensible in other words. It's gentle. It's kind sensitive sensible that anyone who wants to argue in other words with you will be ashamed because there won't be anything to criticize in anything you say. Did you know that as your pastor I am forget forbidden by God to get into arguments. There are multiple passage of scripture that the says a pastor must never ever argue now I know a lot of pastors do and they just violate that scripture but the Bible says a pastor should never get caught brought into a heated argument or debate and says it says I am commanded by God to be gentle in every situation so this is a quality. I've had to learn in ministry. Let me show you versus up during the screen second Timothy Cute twenty-five this is one of many it says the Lord Servant that's talking about pastors it gives the qualifications for being a pastor and it says one of them is the Lord Servant must never quarrel. I am not allowed to quarrel. According to the Bible instead he must be kind and gentle with everyone agrees with no he must be kind and gentle with everyone in his political party. Now doesn't say that he must be kind and gentle with everyone who is a Christian then and say that it says with everyone does that include other religions. Yes includes atheists. Yes people the lifestyle I disagree with. Yes I am to be kind and gentle with everybody. I am forbidden to to quarrel with anybody. It says they must be able to teach effectively a pastor and they must be patient with difficult people that means you then it says ah those who oppose him. He must gently instruct gently. There's that were gentle. He must gently instruct in the hope that God will grant them repentants leading them to know the truth now. I don't know if if you've noticed this or not but I get criticized every once in a while in fact all the time and most of its just total nonsense it makes no sense at all and when I read it I go. Why would they criticize me for that? That's not true I know the stuff they should criticize me really should ask me and then they could criticize the real things that I'm worthy of criticism about but I am not allowed to retaliate in any way it's why I never ever ever fight back with critics. Never I just don't do it why the Bible says gentleness disarms critics and so I constantly ask God for a tough skin and tender heart and that's what you need to do you need to say God. Give me a tough skin so when people they stuff about me just rolls off my back. I don't let it bother me but I have a tender. You don't WanNa tough heart you WANNA tend to heart and a tough skin. Let's really funny is because God says bless God blesses those who are gentle the whole earth belongs to them. Some of my biggest critics have actually become some of my best friends because I would not retaliate. I only respond gentlest. You're listening to pass Rick's Daily Hope Rickaby back in just a moment to close out our time together but I you know a lot of people think that the good life is looking good feeling good and having the goods but pastor rick says trusting and material wealth and health is not enough to overcome that sense of hopelessness so many people feel inside in his d._v._d.. Study Kit called the keys to a blessed life Pastor Rick examines the practical steps found in what is perhaps the greatest sermon Jesus ever preached the sermon on the Mount once you've been through this succession video series. You'll be empowered with the knowledge you need to live the hopeful and purpose filled life. God is planned for you when you support daily hope ministries with financial gift will send you a copy of this resource which is perfect for individual or small group study go to pass direct Rick Dot Com to get this powerful resource or just text the word daily to ninety nine zero zero zero. That's pastor Rick Dot Com or text the word daily to ninety nine zero zero zero. Here's here's pastor rick with a letter from one of our listeners. You know I love getting these letters from you and let me just read one for you today. It's from a woman named Lawrence. She says Patrick every day when I'm doing my routine tasks arm commuting to work I'm listening the daily hope podcast online I listened and our religion and I re- listen again all the messages knowing the value that they've had on my life rick. These messages have transformed my heart of a bitter hardened distrustful place for not only people but God to being in a place where I now have joy daily. I've got a joy that is not possible without God and not only is my life been transformed. I've seen my family's. Lee's life transformed rick. It is do all that God has done and continues to do in this broadcast in through your life and ministry that my family has been transformed. I am excited to say that I now a donor to your podcast. Starting starting with this paycheck hid so blessed by all you've given to us as listeners that I'm now blessed to give back God bless you learn while Lorant by the way Lauren. If you were my daughter You'd be Lauren Warren thanks to the encouragement. I'm so glad to hear how God is moot working in your family and by the way thank you for your contribution. It allows us to take this good news to other Lawrence around the world and other people around the world your prayers support matter. Thank you for listening and by the way everybody God bless you and join me next time as we continue to look into God's Word for daily hope if you'd like to let rick know how this broadcast has blessed you you can write him at Rick at Pastor Rick Dot Com. That's that's rick at Pastor. Rick Dot Com. This program is sponsored by daily. Hope ministries and your generous financial support. It may be hard to believe but people just like you are already saving money feed the pig dot o._R._G.. Makes it easy. They're simple. Oh savings plan teaches you how to start saving without going overboard so you don't need to start foraging wild berries. I was skeptical but dealer actually pretty. You don't need to sell your soul to the devil. You just need feed. The pig dot org don't get left behind get tips and tools at feed. The pig dot org brought to you by the American Institute of C._P._A.'s and the Ad Council welcomed the cavins barbershop. You gotta see this. I want to know what you're looking at on that phone will you should I was learning about the dangers of high blood pressure and that we need to get our check. Regularly high blood pressure can increase the risk of heart attack or stroke but his ex program can help keep it at a healthy range just text barbershops at nine seven seven seven nine sign. I know right on it as soon as I'm done with baby panda video sex barbershop to nine seven seven seven nine message from the American Heart Association and the Ad Council this is betty white. I know you don't need one more thing to worry about but listen high blood pressure can cause kidney Sydney game blinds heart attack stroke and you can have high blood pressure. Even if you feel all right one in seven adults has it but it's easy to get your blood pressure checked and you can treat it if it is too high so don't worry about it. Don't ignore it. Just see your doctrine. Check it out for your free booklet visit the Will Rogers Institute at W.. R. Institute Dot Org and find us on facebook and twitter. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percent seven hundred by newsfeed early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise and all was Benjamin Franklin wise so you actually think electricity can pass through metal. Frankly go flat the keys besides the bifocals been invented the Franklin stolen from the foundation for a better life sixty six sixty six forty. Your future lies in sixty six forty sixty six books by forty authors and yet we now discover gets an integrated admissions system from outside our time domain welcome to sixty six forty the ministry outreach of Coin India House and coin the institute. Today's Bible teacher is Dr Chuck Mesler connecting the Bible to your life and the world around you in Today's study Dr Mr Completes his teaching on the book of numbers chapters thirty to thirty six mm-hmm and if might him with the throwing stone where with he may die and he die. Here's a murderer and the murderer shell shirty be put to this or if he signed him with a hand weapon of would where with he may die down He. There's a murderer the murderer shall surely put to death the revenge of blood himself chef slay the murderer when he meets him he shall slay him once you to realize stand back and realize that Israel agent Israel had no I know police force had no prisons as much simpler. The Avenger of blood was the next of kin and it was his responsibility to track down the murder of his cannon and deal with it that was the way it worked and it sounds very primitive but it works but if he trust him of hatred or hurl at him laying of weight that he died or an enmity smythe him with his hand that he died he. That's modem surely be put to death for here's a murderer revenge of bloodshed slay the murderer when he meets with him so far. It seems straightforward you get the picture you accidentally kill somebody the minute you realize situation. What did you do you high tailed it to the nearest city of refuge? When you got to the city of refuge you had to convince at the gate the city fathers the situation they would give you sanctuary from the Avenger who you knew would be on your tail and you just hope that you were fast enough to get to a city refuge before the avenger of blood could find you venture bud would be called a goal okay but if he thrust him suddenly without enmity have cast a bond him anything without wait or with stone where with a man may dicing him not guess on him that he die and was not his enemy neither started harm than the congressman show judge between the slayer and the revenge of but according to these judgments the conversation show deliver the slayer out of the hand the revenge your blood and the congregation restore him to the city of his refuge whether he was fled and he shall abide in it onto the death of the high priest which was anointed the Holy Oil plus that got to do with anything up till now it all seems to be make good practical sense doesn't it but you've got this refugee refugee? He's in the city of refuge. His Avenger blood is outside the gate this waiting for him to leave. He leaves town. He's PAT it. He's got refuge in the city refuge. He safe there but he can't leave he stuck. There believes his fair game. That's the way the game worked. New Venture Blood Could Nalen now. That's kind of an unstable situation. I mean he's got families got things to do. He's got a standard. He leaves a city refuge at his own risk and all the stays that way until down in Jerusalem. The high priest is when the high priest dies all bets are off the slayer manslaughter can head home safely adventure blood campaign anymore. It's over done kaput okay but if the slash lead anytime come without the border of the city of his refuge whether he's fled their avenger blood find him without the board of the city of refuge Ravindran blood killer slayer he showed not be guilty of blood in other words he's he's he's fair game eh because he should have remained in the city of refuge until the death of the high priest but after the death of high priestess layer so return onto the land of his possession so these things shall be for a statute of judgment onto throughout your generations in all your dwellings now if you read most commentaries they all regard this as a rather quaint mechanism to deal with tribal situation to provide to elevate the concept the sanctity of life that murderer underwood dealt with and yet inadvertent murder would be dealt with an a less extreme way but there's another issue here. We'll get to who so kill if any person the murderer shelby put to death by the mouth of witnesses but one witness you will not testify against any person because him to die always more than one several places scripture always take tell me what this to Morisha will take no satisfaction for the life of murder which is guilty of death but he he shall surely be put this no satisfaction for him is fled to the city of refuge that he should come again to dwell on the land until the death of the priest so you shall not pollute the land in the E._R.. For blood it defines the land and the land cannot be cleansed Wednesday blood shed their in but by the blood of him that shedded defile not there for the land which he shall inhabit dwelt cry the Lord Dwell among the children of Israel boy the prevalent the prevalence of unsolved murders just in our senior administration in this country is a shock over one hundred murders covering up the Vince foster murder this to give you one example and we could go on and on and on its astonishing to see how ineffectual we are in our prisons are bursting when I had a tour of Angora which is probably the largest. I just prison eighty thousand Acre campus in Louisiana. The Gordon confided me his belief that half the people have of his five thousand don't belong there but that's not his job has jobs to enforce the law interesting thirteen guys death row several which has pardons recommended by pardon not being signed by the government you get into the whole penal system astonishing the abuse and the confusion anyway. Let's move on cities of refuge a summarizing. They're available in cases of manslaughter not premeditated murder right they are they secure the guy against the avenger of blood as long as he's abiding in the city of refuge right with me so far and this all prevails until the high priest died is that that's a summary The whole deal with me. I have a question for you was the crucifixion of Christ manslaughter or premeditated murder not easy. Is it not easy from the point of view of God was premeditated. It was predetermined council. He planned that before the foundation of the world because he knew we're GONNA need it. Tall it out the advance so from God's point of view premeditated but we're really not worried about God worry about us from of our point of view is it premeditated or manslaughter while you're gonNA argue that probably both ways but what did Jesus say on the cross father forgive them for what so I'll use that as my plea that it's manslaughter not premeditated meditative murder so we're entitled to flee to our city of refuge right. Who Do you suppose their city of refuge is Christ civic and how secure are we in Christ absolutely silently secure for as long as we in Christ? I won't get into the CALVINISM arguments here. We leave that one go right now. We're certainly if you're in Christ you're secure for how long do this work till. The high priest died right who are high priest. He died. He said to tell us die. Payden fall it has finished and here is for us so he's our city of refuge. It's interesting to me that if you get behind any one of these laws was daughters of Zella Kahad which is God's way of getting around the curse of Chicken Ira Virgin Birth and all of that or whether it's the city of refuge or whether it's the sprays and serpent numbers twenty-one every one of these things has local application obviously and yet if you get in behind that you discover there's a whole nother teachings hold another insight and that insight always punch to Jesus Christ well. We have another chapter to wrap up the book of numbers daughters Zeliff had surface again. There's a detail hail. It comes up here. The member that Darras velvet it was a tour exception on the rules inheritance normally what through the man but if man if the man had only daughters no sons dot five daughters came to requested knows that they have some kind of deal you'll hear numbers back there in Chapter Twenty seven and God and he goes to God and God says do so and he puts the record in Joshua Seventeen. These five daughters will come to Joshua and he honors that and they get their inheritance. What most people don't understand how that worked? Is that the Leverett marriage the husband was adopted by the father of the bride to pass that inheritance that occurs Nesbitt to Nehemiah seven seven and so forth and so this is anticipated the lineage of Christ because in Luke we have the lineage of merry who is the son in law of Eli and if you look in the Greek in in Luke three verse twenty the three the word is no meat so which means in the Greek reckoned as by law it way we would translate that Joseph was the son in law of Eli in other words Jesus Christ inherited the legal line through Joseph who was his legal father but the bloodline headline through Mary who was as his blood mother so interesting onward chief fathers the families of the Children Gilead sort of make are the cinema NASA and the families of the sons of Joseph came near inspect before Moses and before the Princess and the T. Father's children of Israel and they said Lord commanded my Lord to give the land for an inheritance by lot to the visual my Lord was commanded by Lord to give the inheritance of zealous Kahad our brother to his daughters and if they married to any of the sons of the other tribes of Israel adventure their inheritance be taken from the inherent fathers and she'll be put to the inheritance of the tribe where they are received so she'll be taken from the lot of are inherently they're concerned about the fact that all sounds good but if one of those daughters who's inherited land Mary's outside the tribe tribe that seventy messes things up because as long as they try but anything works but if they're outside the tribe it creates some confusion that's what they're trying to deal with here and when the jubilee of the children Israel Shelby and then she'll and then shelter inheritance put into the inherited the tribal under their received social their inherently taken away from the inheritance of the tribe of our fathers so they recognize the tribes here have run the risk of abuse here Moses commanded the individual according to the word of the Lord saying the tribe of the Sons of Joseph Hath said well you raise a good point. This is the thing which the Lord Deaf Command concerning the daughters exemplified saying let them Mary to whom they think best only to the family of the tribe of their Father Shelly Mary it's sort of like Henry Ford and the model t now you get any color you want as long as with black. The daughter could marry anyone she liked as long as it was within the tribe she couldn't marry outside the tribe and contain the inherit outside of the tribes you lost it hearings and that makes sense because they're trying to keep integrity with the tribe and the geography so their social not the inheritance of the children removed from try to try for every one of the children visuals so keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his father's then every daughter that possessive herons may tribe with Joe Visual Shelby. That'll be wife onto one of the family of the tribe for father that the Joan of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his father's neither shall the inheritance removed from one tribe to another try but every one of the tribes the visual should keep himself to his own inheritance. Even as the Lord commanded Moses so the had for Molitor is a hug La Milka and know the daughters zealous that we're married do their fathers brothers sons so everything stayed orderly here it appears and so and they were married into the Fathers Sons of Manasseh. The son of Joseph and their Sheraton's has remained in the tribe of the family of the father. These are the commandments and the judgments which the Lord commanded by the hand Moses under the job of Israel in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho and so in the book of numbers now earlier sessions of course we talked about the camp of Israel the Tabernacle the preparation of the camp then cyanide Burnia and that's where they blew it so then from there they journey to the plains of Moab in the following chapters and our previous session we talked about the brazen serpent the battle of Cihan the king of the rights and off the king of the giants rough aim there and that of course paves the way for the land to be available for Ruben and GATT and so on then we encounter those strange chapters with Baylac the king of Moab and bail Salem the prophet this peculiar gentile profit that finally gets his own come up and then we have chapter about the adultery of Israel so there are preparing preparing the end of land had we had the springfield feast the laws avows Venza many nights and then this session with Ruben Gad. That's like the summary of forty two encampments which I couldn't pronounce properly Atlanta. Promise Analytical Cities Does Roseau at now one of the things we ask ourselves before we started just wrapped Zola is why are we studying the booking numbers these quaint ancient things well for a lot of reasons Paul tells us and I Corinthians ten now all these things has happened under them for examples and they are written for our admonition your knee about home. The world are come. The word examples in the Greek is to boasts from which we get the English word type like a prototype. The term is intended to be a figure or an image a pattern a prefiguring the term type is using literature. It's not so much off news and our common language we would use the term model title. Perhaps it's a model of such and such and so on and similar in our vocabulary so they're all kinds of types we saw type in numbers to the order of the camp we saw the type of Mana the bread of life we saw type of water coming from Iraq and it was the second time that happened. We saw the brazen serpent numbers twenty one and the cities of refuge in this chapter see. There's these are probably the main ones you should be aware of in the book of numbers who had many others remember how the camp was laid out that got only camp by following the law on the Arnold parts of the compass and if we went through the did that all geographic scale we ended up with what book what Maalim Valence saw from looking down namely the camp of Israel formed across interestingly enough and I think if we had a time machine could back there would be startled to see how God anticipates things that obviously had no awareness as far beyond awareness of the writers at the time and then we have the man of course he'd be provided that Manna and it interesting enough it was provided only six days a seventh they did not know call your attention to the fact that seventh day a Sabbath was not established under the law the law was this was this occurs in exodus sixteen the laws and give it until exodus twenty this the Sabbath was ordained in genesis chapter two and so it's a very momentum and so this was before the law was given then the water's at Merida member ref redeem had happened exit seventeen where they got water from striking the rock at MIRA he was told not to strike but to ask asked the Rock and he didn't do that because he didn't do that. He was not allowed into the Promised Land Moses who spent one hundred twenty years forty years growing up in Egypt forty years in in the wilderness a million and then forty years through the wilderness wanderings. He's one hundred twenty dreaming of getting to the Promised Land and denied that because he didn't follow instructions boy that should soberest got expects his instructions to be followed and he's a man of precision got as a person of precision Paulie makes interesting remark about the water's at Marabout. He says these the Rock was Christ infrastructures ten four and the Rock that followed them was Christ. He's obviously speaking idiot medically but but I I'd like to give you a challenge and of course because because this nut following this Muslims denying the rock of scripture if you want an interesting study take a concordance and find how often rock is used specifically as a reference to Jesus Christ he of of course was a source of the living water in both the exodus seventeen accounts of numbers twenty Paul Authenticates that First Corinthians ten. He's the stone that was rejected according to second Peter to He's also the rock of the fence the rock of stumbling in Second Peter to he's the headstone the Carter in the corner in twenty in fact if you read Deuteronomy thirty two and thirty three that's called the Song of Moses the book of Deuteronomy as three sermons and then this final writing of Moses the yard h-have hair or the over. How do you want to say it in the Song of Moses is clearly an allusion to the Messiah and it's astonishing how an Orthodox Jew can read subdued army thirty two and recognize trump a whole chapter the song of Moses to the Messiah to the one that we call issue or Jesus yes and there are over one hundred other illusions of a rocker stone referring to Jesus Christ again any it's astonishing to see the consistency of idiom from Genesis two revelation way the brazen serpent of course she remember how in response to the murmuring the fiery servants was sent in Moses intercedes and then instructed in place a brass serpent on a poll on the high heel that would look anyone look at it would be saved but would be spared by faith and how AH strange strange remedy that makes no sense all through the Old Testament you can meet the entire Old Testament and be powerless to figure out what that really means until you get to the New Testament in John Chapter three Jesus himself explains it is Moses lifted up the serpent the wilderness even so shall this man be lifted up who serve them should not perish whatever life we've got so loved the world that he gave his only gotten some that WHO's ever leave with him should not pairs but have everlasting life? This allusion sets the stage for the most famous verse in Repair Bible John Three Sixty but without this verse without this insight it's very bizarre remedy putting a brass serpent on a poll on a hill thought a serpent representatives in you. Look at him and you get saved. What's this all about? No it's sin judged brass. Okay couple of other things that are kind of interesting. We we noticed that under Abraham in Genesis there are ten tribes listed listed in the land of Canaan under Moses a number twenty one we saw three of them but down the amount of kites the rights and the referendum and under Joshua there are seven that are left that he deals with in the book of Joshua. I'm fascinated by this comparison. Even the tribal things are somehow overlapping in some respects. It's interesting that all through prophecy we find that they're ten heads and seven horns and Daniel seven versus eight verse twenty we discover that three of the heads don't go along with this little horns plan so he puts three down. That's why there are seven heads in ten horns in ten ten minus three seven. I'm fascinated that that this model the final climax of the world seems to be foreshadowed by the same situation in that we're seeing here where three of the ten are wiped out by Moses and seven remain under Joshua cleanup because there's a final Hoshikawa coming to dispossess the earth of its usurpers and it fascinates me. If you study the book of Joshua you'll discover that in dozen ways it is a foreshadowing the text itself is a foreshadowing of the book revelation where they have seven trumpets and they have they send in two witnesses in advance and on and on and so forth and very interesting situation well. What are the lessons here exposition? We focused on the integrity of design of the scripture. That's our primary primary. Things hope you carry away not the details but the recognized that a piece of a much larger skillfully designed puzzle Hamas medically these were real people with real practical problems all the way through it. We didn't take the time to really build the narrative of it in that sense but I think we should keep in front of us that these were real people with real problems devotion Louis crossing over the Jordan is not going to heaven you and I are are in a UH warfare we are in our own wilderness and I suggest that every day that we is our caters Bernie I believe God every day finds a new way to ask the question do you trust me when they didn't and they pay pay the price price of exile price of unnecessary hardship and we're in the same boat the lesson Godhra has learned is to trust him and each of us in our lives. We'll have equivalent kinds of challenges so as much here though when you're speaking of the text of Ocean lead the way you do that is to do the same way an animal chooses cut to over it digested go over it again suggested again and the Lord will reward that and bring all that to the surface well. Maybe we'll say where do we go from here. We finished the book of numbers a natural place to go. If you haven't gone there before Deuteronomy that we would complete Torah you've gone from Genesis Deuteronomy. You've got the core of the most venerated part of the Bible to the Jewish mind especially or if you're in a Jewish mood and you want to go the New Testament go to matthew the what I'll call for the Jewish gosh well he presents Jesus Christ as the the line of the tribe of Judah or go to the epistle of the Hebrews the fulfillment of law or if you WANNA go to the one book that promises you a special blessing the only book that has the audacity to do so in the Bible Book Revelation Asian the ultimate wrap up of all things but where you go go where the Spirit Li Jue. You're an individual the Holy Spirit's working with you personally. He has something on his mind that he would do. I encourage you to pray about it and go where the spirit leads. It isn't necessarily the next book is to whatever he elite into so. We're that the Stanford closing where to prayer father. We thank you for your word and we thank you father that indeed our priest has died for us any ever lives to make intercession for us daily. We thank you father that he is indeed our city of refuge because we acknowledge that was our sims that put him on that cross. We thank you father for this inexpressible gift that you've given US father. We also thank you for your Holy Spirit that has brought US each of us to this point in time we do pray father that through the Ministry of the Holy Spirit you would water the seeds that have been planted here that you would eliminate for each of us but you'd have of us in the days that remain we do pray father that you would plant in each of us a renewed appetite and hunger for your word that we might indeed partake of this manner you've provided to us and that we might grow in grace the knowledge of alert and saving you gave the one that we so worship and finally we would prey that you would through your Holy Spirit help us each of us be more effective Stewart's ambassadors as we take on the name of the king that we might be more faithful ambassadors that we might be more fruitful stewards not by power nor or by my but by your spirit father as we commit ourselves without any reservation into your hands the name of Your Shula Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and you've been listening to sixty six forty the ministry outreach of Quantity House and Cornea Institute. Today's Bible Teacher was Dr Chuck Mr Teaching through the book of numbers for a complete listing of resources available gullible. Please Visit K. House Dot Org. You can also call us at one eight hundred K. House one to learn more about going any institute visit Coin Institute Dot Org. Thank you for listening to sixty six forty and for your continued prayerful support of this ministry until next time when we begin a new series may God bless you with the knowledge of his son Jesus Christ as you study his word you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percent our newsfeed Steve Harvey here for the Illinois Broadcasters Association and in a recent survey the Illinois Emergency Management Management Agency was asked to name the top five items that every Illinois family needs to have in their homes emergency disaster kick check out these answers water Kalia without it number two nonperishable food well after all a man gotta eat right number three whether radio it makes sure you got fresh batteries to number four flashlight even more reason to have fresh batteries on hand number five first aid kit look. There's no reason to feud over what items to put in your family's emergency disaster kit get the answers and more at ready Dot Illinois dot girl that's ready Dot Illinois Dot Gov sponsored by the Emergency Management Agency air in cooperation with the Broadcasters Association and the station. No one ever said give it a bit. No one ever said given less. We we say give it everything. The world wasn't built by half-measures by the half-hearted so when we set out to build our boldest S._U._v. ever we didn't hold anything back and reducing the the all new telluride Kia give it everything expected spring twenty thousand nine hundred limited quantities with other responsibility ability and pressure life naturally brings into our day. Sometimes we get wound up so tightly you can actually see the pain on our face well today on insight for Living Chuck's Wendell continues his uplifting steady in Philippians called laugh again. Our series brings us to Philippians chapter four where Paul reminded his readers to relinquish the battle. God never intended his followers to carry an undue burden. If you're prone to worry maybe tied up about something right now. You'll appreciate helpful message called freeing yourself up to laugh again. We all know the Great Commission for the believer to go to make disciples of all nations and to baptize men and women boys and girls in the name of father and son and the Holy Spirit and and to teach them to walk with God to obey to do so until we leave this earth and low Christ is with US always even to the end but do you know that Christ had a commission when it was a commission to set people free knowing that all of us given our own way would use our freedom and abuse it. He came to set us free. Matthew six is the heart of Jesus longest public discourse. His longest private discourse was of course the upper room discourse recorded drawn thirteen through sixteen. Someone even includes seventy. This is the longest public discourse. It's a masterful sermon Matthew Matthew six twenty five to six thirty four is sort of the crux of the section that I have in mind five times. He uses the same word five times. Do not be anxious versus what happens when I live a life of worry I find in Matthew six four things occur number one verse twenty five for for this reason I say to you do not be anxious for your life. What you shall eat what you she'll drink or your body? What you shall put on is not live more than food and the body more than clothing I r value system is confused used when I meet up with a materialist? I'm meet up with a warrior. Externally oriented worrier second becomes selfish worriers are selfish people verse thirty-one. Don't be anxious saying what show we eat or what show we drink are with what shall we clothe ourselves notice the emphasis on the Pronoun us. We my mind selfish mentality. Where were you tend to think mostly of themselves elves third are distinctive get blurred verse thirty two for all these things the gentiles eagerly seek while Your heavenly father knows what your needs are? You live like like a pagan when you live a life of worry is that is the the amplified thought of Verse Thirty Two. Are you with me on this. Our values system is confused. We become selfish are distinctive get blurred and fourth perhaps as as much a dread as any of them tomorrow becomes a dread tomorrow becomes a dread we anticipate the rising of the sun and with it the heaviness of the of the day Oh this is perfect preparation for Philippians chapter four you have patiently I hope worked with me through this section of Isaiah and of Matthew and John and Luke in preparation Shen for this the most familiar part of a letter to the Philippians I love the section of scripture while it is a comforted is also a reproof because I am better at preaching on worried than I am at practicing not worrying this is sort of God's therapy and I don't know if it use these words but it is a sure cure and a guaranteed route of escape from worry you do what he says. Something will happen to your addiction. You'll break it. Christ will come to your relief and you will discover you can live free of that dungeon that you have lived in for too. Many years of your life and I'm speaking to you who are middle aged and older are as well as you were younger. Worry knows no age limit. I speak to single in married to long-term married partners into the divorcee. This is for all of us if I could put it in a few words I would draw those words from verse six be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer. Let your requests be made known to God here. Are the words worry about nothing. Pray about everything. Worry about nothing. Nothing pray about everything so you'd with me. Worry about nothing. Pray about everything again. Worry about nothing. Pray about everything I suggest you right on another card. Put that on the visor of your car put that under the glass at your desk tape it to the mirror in your bathroom for the first thing you have to deal with you're looking at every morning and that will be the beginning focus of your day worry about nothing. Pray about everything. That's I stop worrying about whatever it is that you can't change that you're not responsible for that. You don't control and you don't we'll have to answer for stopping. Pray about everything whatever would agitate or frighten our burden or torment. You are repeat the one liner worry about nothing. Pray about about everything now major question. What do you do with all your time now? I mean good night. You've just given me the gift of several hours a day. Glad you ask. I WANNA give three things to do with your time and I want you to tolerate him. especially you addicts the worry and what you just to trust the scriptures. You don't have to trust me. Trust the scriptures. They're worth filling up your time with back diverse four I word what do you do with all your time. They'll you start with the word rejoice wonderful trade trade in your old frowning grinding worries and put on a heart of rejoicing now. This is a command and no less emphatic than the one that says worry about nothing you see he repeats it. Rejoice rejoice in the Lord always and again I say rejoice exclamation point look for things to help you enjoy life. Flying the bright side laugh more freely replaced the frown with a smile live lighthearted lead taking God's seriously but not yourself all that seriously one man writes shared laughter creates a bond of friendship when people laugh together they ceased to be young and old master and pupils worker and driver. They have become a single group loop of human beings enjoying their existence comedian from yesteryear Fred Allen used to say it was bad to suppress your laughter. 'CAUSE it goes back down and spread your hips. The few of you were worrying more than you ever have. In your life proverbs seventeen twenty two listen a joyful heart is good medicine. You you know what the scriptures literally say in the Hebrew joyful heart causes good healing. If you haven't read norm cousins Book Anatomy of an illness you owe it to yourself. The therapy of laughter kept that man on his his feet for years when everyone else had given up hope and diagnosis the therapy of laughter the joy the happiness the texts that says a joyful heart is good medicine concludes with but a broken spirit dries up the bones. A joyful heart makes a cheerful face but when the heart is said the spirit is broken proverbs fifteen thirteen proverbs fifteen fifteen fifteen concludes with a cheerful heart has a continual feast great. A cheerful heart feeds on great things through the day furthermore you become contagious. You WanNa learn how live alone spreader Abed news be. A person who has long face in heartache stories and said throws a lot of pity parties during the day. You'll enjoy all alone before before you're too old. You want people around you. You want to be like you want to know what it's like to have friendships. This is your this is your mandate. Rejoice cultivate a good sense of humor her. I'm not talking about spreading a lot of jokes. Though there's nothing wrong with a good joke I'm talking about a choice sense of humor. A deep seated joy in life. I love the statement. Joy is the flag leg flown high from the castle of my heart announcing that the king is in residence here. I'll tell you something our greatest advertisement is Christians is not is not love as powerful as love is it is not piece it is joy. It is a flag that you don't conceal. I was at Monaco. I noticed that the flag was no not at the castle and I had hoped to see Prince Rene there in our wonderful thirty fifth anniversary trip that had been provided for us and we were driving along the street in several it come to see but you just look for the flag and if the flags not there here that he's gone the mass was empty. If if the king is at home in your heart the flag of joy flies high not circumstances. They're always stink but I'll tell when you when you deal with the Lord being there. It's amazing what it does to your joy now. If you still with me that's a big if if you're still with me verse five here's the next word relax. How do I get that out of? Let your forbearing spirit be known to all men. The Lord is near well. It's that word forebear that hangs up. We've used it all our lives as Christians. We don't know what it means. It's the word for gentleness being an easy with people relaxing the standards one fine new testament student rights sweet reasonableness. Isn't that good how few people we know our sweet reasonable half you applaud the person who just finishes the marathon. I mean they've already taken the T._v.. Cameras back to headquarters but the time you show up five hours later but you finished and the person that's four bearing is the person awesome that stands at the end and says good for you you finished. That's great how dogmatic we are to finish. I how tight fisted we are a rigid to be high achievers. Was the American way. It isn't the Christian way. God is on the side of those who can achieve a lot just Zealand. That's just as he's on the side of those who come in. I relax relax like Jesus Jesus with the woman taken an adultery. It's funny you read that section at the first part of John and you don't feel that he compromise with sin. He said to her at the end. Go and don't send like that anymore but nobody stoned her. I wonder how many of us would have headstones ready. I mean the law says stone them. We're going to stone her. Jesus said you that are without San be my guess. That's a forbearing spirit. Relax with children. Relax a little with your teenagers especially. If they're junior high my friend Kenny poor calls junior hires pre people just realize they'll make it never met anybody WanNa be junior higher again. Nobody wants to be and rest. There's the third word rejoice relax is easy to remember rest in verse seven and the sh the shallow of God piece of God love this which surpasses all comprehension everybody a shake their head wondering to world you could be so at rest. It'll guard your heart's in your minds in Christ wonderful well. That's what we need guarded. We don't need our homes guarded as much as we need our minds and our hearts it's it's my heart that gets me into my day. It's my mind that gets me into my study. It's my passion that comes from that and his piece surrounds that and frees me from the agitation in the horror of worry like the song says take his piece take his piece. He never runs dry. Never runs low on it. Jurors rejoice relax rest. No three simple exercises will help make all of this happened okay and they're described for us in versus eight nine first of all feed your mind on positive thoughts. This isn't original with me. God wrote it. I God was the first I want to come up with it not Norman Vince Appeal God thought of it whatever is true and honorable and right and pure and lovely and of good report if there's any excellence if there's anything worthy appraise fix your mind on these these things fix your mind on positive thoughts you ask some people how they are. You don't have time to listen to them. Tell you a litany of heartaches and broken nissen disappointments and you find yourself wishing you hadn't brought it up. You ask a few people how they are and you leave thrilled with life they have it lied. They just have fixed their minds on that which is uplifting. It's in God's hands since he's in charge. The Sun always shines just at the cloud cover blocks it out but take a flight. You'll see it's there. It's bright and it's clear fix your mind on positive thoughts second verse nine Focus. Your attention on encouraging models poll has the audacity to say the things you've learned and received and heard and seen in me practice. He's not bragging you. He's just saying I've learned how to live like that. You need a model look at me. I got a lot of things I could worry about but I don't I choose joy the things you've learned from my teaching the thing you've rece- There's things you've received from the things you've heard from my lips things you've seen occur in my exemplary lifestyle. You do it pick a few heroes in life. If you can't find any in life pick a few from biographies that you admire be a good student of biography study great men and women. They'll motivate you. They'll help you see you're not alone. The things you've learned in received in hurt and seen in them practice it works wchs that's what I'm so grateful for a few mentors in my life and when I start licking my own wounds I just remember some of the things I saw and heard and received from those models in my spirit's changed finally find God's peace in every circumstance emphasis on every verse nine concludes end the God of p shelby with you. Claim claimed God's peace find his piece in every circumstance. You know what happens when worry occurs worry focused forces us to focus on wrong things. That's the damnable factor in worry. We focus on a non essentials rather than essentials. I read a story this past week. That illustrates perfectly woman had lost her husband several months ago. She's lonely needed someone to talk to. She went to pet store told her friend at the pet store about her loneliness and pet store owner says why got a great parrot. I'm sorry this parrot very expensive. Parrot parallel talk yard mall so she puts a pair of the big cates takes it home hangs it in the kitchen doesn't say a word one week later. She comes back to store and she says they said her house. The parrot doesn't say a word store owner says well did you buy mirror. She said no so we gotta have a mirror parrot needs of mirror then when he sees himself in a mirror he'll he'll start talking. You'll just kind of prompted so she is expensive mirror and hangs in the cage week passes. She comes back down in the mouth. How's the parrot talk? We'll did you buy ladder well. No we have a ladder Paradis to walk up and down. Feel comfortable looks into marriage starts talking. It's only natural so she buys this ladder puts it in the cage. See waits a week later. She says burt still doesn't talk he he says well. Did you buy a swing. No I didn't swing. He said we gotTA swing walks up and down swings a little starts feeling casual and he starts talking swing inputs indicate a week passes and she comes storming in the in the store. The guy says sue what's wrong. She said when he died well. Did he say anything before he died. She said he had one-sentence. He said don't have any food store to let me the parent dies cheaper mirrors and ladders swings bills whistles. That's what worried does this ladders mirrors swings and whistles horns this no food. I got hope for you who are addicted to worry. I got wonderful wonderful hope for you but the tragedy is see you've got you've got freedom to to accept it or reject it to live. It are fake. It are absolutely ignoring tragically. Some of you will choose that and you will be no different a week from now. How then you are at this moment and that is tragic because you're free to do that but I can give you the hope? His name is Jesus Christ who came to set captives free. He doesn't focus focuses attention just on the drug and alcohol addict. His heart doesn't go out just to the one who was addicted to sexual abuse or the one who's violent temper can't be brought under control. That's not that's not the limit of God's compassion his heart goes out to you who have allowed yourself to become victims in a cage of worry surrounded by mirrors and ladders and swings starving for the food that will put you back on track. Jesus Christ has come to seek you can to save the lost those who have lost their way those who can't seem to find a purpose for living. I'd like you to buy your heads and I'd like to talk to you about that. In the sweet reasonableness of my spirit I want to help you return to a place of enormous pain and humanly speaking of tragedy the place of a skull outside the wall of Jerusalem where you could hear the pounding of Natal's hands and feet you could hear the crush as that cross was lifted and dropped into a whole well. If you had been there you could have watched a man die in dying. He said father forgive them. They don't even know what they're doing and he set the captive free rather than and spending the balance of your life not knowing what you doing with it even though you may have a string of degrees that would impress the highest school of learning if you've lost your way you know and I know your life is full of worry and terror you specially fear death and you should Jesus so graciously paid the price for our sins are addictions are wrongs our failures failures he's able to lift us even from San and shame from guilt and blame and a free us when when you like to be free his blood can make the foulest clean his blood avail for me. He's got the whole world in his hands and those hands have nailed scars where he paid the price for the world. Come on come on back so grateful Lord that you allow imperfect. You're worrying kind of people even like me to talk about something. That's near to your heart. Thank you for those who have listened so well and I pray that you will as a result of this truth. That's been declared SIP captives free soften the hearts of the stubborn in the skeptical and win them Lord by Your grace free us from the bells and whistles in life and the stupid things we add that only confuse are cage. Bring us the good food of truth that sets US free in Jesus Jesus name our topic today is freeing yourself up to laugh again and if you missed any portion of Chuck's windows message we invite you to stop by our website or use the convenient insight for living mobile APP to catch up. You'll find all the details at insight dot org well during the month of June. You heard his talk about a critical financial financial need chuck if you would bring us up to speed well that's right dave. Many of our friends have been asking for an update. You'll remember that throughout the month of June I explained the urgency of responding before our deadline on June the thirtieth well. We've tallied the results and giving insight for living ministries has fallen short of our anticipated goals so without belaboring the point. I'll only say that your donation today no matter it size is urgently needed. If you happen to miss the deadline well. It's never too late Alec Forty hearing from you soon as as you said your most generous gift wrapped in joy. Thanks so much all right. Thanks Chuck and we can affirm that your gifts are truly making a difference in recent days. We've been reading wonderful comments from your a fellow listeners for example one person said Chuck thank you for the many mornings you've inspired me convicted me and made me laugh. You're a gift from God and another from New York said your broadcast has gotten me through some of the darkest moments elements of my life then she describes some horrific tragedies within her family she continued. I'm not angry with God. God has held me up when I was trying to remember to breathe well every comment on social media <hes> every phone call every letter is gratefully received because this program is prepared for you and when you support this program financially you're allowing us to touch lives with the truth of God's word to become part of the team. Give a donation nation today by giving us a call. If you're listening in the United States style one eight hundred seven seven to eighty eight eighty eight or for number again one eight hundred seven seven to eight eight eight eight or go online to insight dot or I'm Dave Spiker Chuck's went off steady in Philippians called laugh again continues Tuesday day on insight for living the preceding message for yourself up to laugh again was copyrighted in Nineteen ninety-one Nineteen ninety-two nineteen ninety nine two thousand eight and two thousand nineteen and the sound recording was copyrighted in two thousand nineteen by Charles arsoned all ink all rights reserved worldwide duplication of copyrighted material for commercial use is strictly prohibit. It's dodge performance days where that new car smell smell gets replaced by the scent of burned rubber with Dodge charger and it's available best in class four hundred eighty five horsepower dodge challenger held cat red eye with up to seven hundred ninety seven horsepower and seven hundred seven pound feet of tour and the powerful seven-passenger Dodge Durango hurry in for great deals now at dodge performance days words electric vehicle segment dodges a registered trademark of F._C._A. U._S.. L._L._C. Cancer is the number one cause of death by disease for children in the U._S.. Today today since the Austin hatcher foundations birth in two thousand six it has grown to provide unique programs to help the children and the families affected by pediatric cancer support begins time of diagnosis and continues throughout survivorship at no cost of famous lives touched by the foundation continue to rise each day but we need your help Doni volunteer or partner with the Austin hatcher foundation learn how you can get involved visit catcher foundation dot Org for more information or one news feed is looking for an advertising sales manager to sell autozone for the website or more information contact Jake Leonard Admin and Arlene Newsfeed dot com hi. I'm bobby with today's car clinic minute which is more valuable silver gold platinum if you're thinking credit cards platinum may spell power but for cars the shines on silver where we come back. I'll give you the highlights when you're a battery goes dead. Everything comes to a stop. I don't take a chance on getting stranded. Stop by O.. Reilly auto parts and get your battery tested free of charge if your battery does need replaced O. Reilly auto parts will help you find the exact superstar battery that fits your car or truck at a guaranteed low price O. Reilly auto parts better parts better prices everyday auto parts go great and platinum's precious but drivers agree silvers the the color for cars Dupont's global color popularity report has tracked car color transfer over fifty years and this year stats say silver supreme reportedly a reflection on technology focused lifestyles and the new sharp lines is in vehicle design. The second most popular color is white followed by Black Blue Green medium red light brown gold bright red and medium gray. Whatever color car you keep wash and shine it not only will your car mirror your pride but it will also be worth more silver dollars at trade in time? I'm bobby like us. Hardouin news feed is looking for an advertising sales manager to sell advertising for the website or in more information contact. Jake Leonard Entered Admin and Orlando Dot com hi. I'm bobby like with today's car clinic minute which is more valuable silver gold platinum if you're thinking credit cards platinum may spell power but for cars the shines on on silver where we come back. I'll give you the highlights when you're a battery goes dead. Everything comes to a stop. Don't take a chance on getting stranded. Stop by O.. Reilly auto parts and get your battery tested free of charge if your battery does need replaced O.. Reilly auto parts will help you find the exact superstar battery that fits your car or truck at a guaranteed low price O. Reilly auto parts better parts better prices everyday <music> go great and platinum's precious but drivers agree silvers the colorful cars Dupont's global color popularity report has tracked attract car color transfer over fifty years and this year stat site silver supreme reportedly a reflection on technology focused lifestyles and the new sharp lines in vehicle design. The second most popular color is white followed by Black Blue Green medium red light brown gold bright red and medium gray. Whatever color car you keep wash and shine it not only will your car mirror your pride but it will also be worth more silver dollars at trade in time? I'm I'm Bob like us like us. Your there are a ton of social networking websites but one stands apart for a very special reason this one saves lives. It's matching donors dot com matching donors dot com links organ donors with people in need of kidney and other transplants in the U._S.. Nineteen people each day waiting for an organ transplant most of them for kidneys if you've ever considered becoming a living organ donor or if you have someone in need of an organ transplant visit matching donors dot com home with the greatest gift of all the gift of life matching donors dot com hi I'm bobby like with today's car clinic minute are you wishing and open and dreaming about cars that is teachers used to go for idling away the hours now. They give high fives when I come back. I'll tell you all about it. When you're a battery goes dead everything comes to a stop? Don't take a chance on getting stranded stopped by O.. Reilly auto parts and get your battery tested free of charge if your battery does need replaced O.. Reilly auto parts will help you find the exact superstar battery that fits your car or truck at a guaranteed low price O. Reilly auto parts better parts better prices everyday take daydreaming and class used to get you a trip to the principal's office. Now it could be your ticket to the winner Circle Dahmer or Chrysler is sponsoring the build your dream vehicle competition students conceive and design futuristic environment-friendly automobiles then present three dimensional models and marketing plans to judges trophies and cash rush may be the destinations students have in mind but along the way they learn about teamwork finance technology and communication and who knows their dreams may find a way to your garage. I'm bobby likes like like us. There are ton of social networking websites but one stands apart for very special reason this one saves lives. It's matching donors dot com matching donors dot com links organ donors with people in need of kidney and other transplants in the U._S.. Nineteen people die each day waiting for an organ transplant most of them for kidneys if you've ever considered becoming a living organ donor or if you have someone in need of an organ transplant visit matching donors dot com home with the greatest gift of all the gift of life matching matching donors dot com hi I'm bobby lightness with today's car clinic minute. Are you wishing and hoping and dreaming about cars that is teachers used to go for idling away the hours now they they give high fives when I come back. I'll tell you all about it. When your battery goes dead everything comes to a stop? Don't take a chance on getting stranded stopped by O.. Reilly auto parts and get your battery tested free of charge if your battery does need replaced O'Reilly auto parts will help you find the exact superstar battery that fits your car or truck had a guaranteed low price O. Reilly auto parts better parts better prices everyday <music> arts daydreaming and class used to get you a trip to the principal's office. Now it could be your ticket to the Winter Circle Dahmer Chrysler is sponsoring answering the build your dream vehicle competition students conceive and design futuristic environment-friendly automobiles then present three dimensional models and marketing plans to judges trophies and cash. Maybe the destinations estimations students have in mind but along the way they learn about teamwork finance technology and communication and who knows their dreams may find a way to your garage. I'm bobby likes like us. You'll almost radio. It's nothing new it's been here all along with Free Entertainment News Sports Music and information. It's not just part of life. It's a part of who we are. You know which station is going to tell you the score the game which one has going to give you a laugh off in the morning which one will give you something to sing along with. You know where to turn when the weather gets robbed and something big happens good or bad you know where to go because radio has been here all along radio is part of your community woven into the fabric of what makes home home and now radio has evolved to move with you with the next radio APP in your F._M.. Enabled phone just plug in your headphones to start experiencing radio in a whole new way while using way less battery data than streaming APPs check account live guide to see and interact with live radio stations easily find your favorites like the one you're listening to right now and as always it's totally free download the next radio APP today next radio live and local wherever you go. Oh I'm bobby lightness with today's carbonic minute are you wishing and open and dreaming about cars that is teachers used to go for idling away the hours now. They give high fives chiefs when I come back. I'll tell you all about it. When you're a battery goes dead everything comes to a stop? Don't take a chance on getting stranded stopped by O.. Reilly auto parts and get your battery tested free of charge if your battery does need replaced O.. Reilly auto parts will help you find the exact superstar battery that fits your car or truck had a guaranteed low price O. Reilly auto parts better parts better prices everyday auto smarts daydream. Ian Class used to get you a trip to the principal's office. Now it could be your ticket to the winner Circle Daimler Chrysler is sponsoring the build old your dream vehicle competition students conceive and design futuristic environment-friendly automobiles then present three dimensional models and marketing plans to judges trophies and cash may be the destinations students students have in mind but along the way they learn about teamwork finance technology and communication and who knows their dreams may find a way to your garage. I'm bobby likes like us. You'll love US radio now. It's nothing new it's been here all along with Free Entertainment News Sports Music and information. It's not just part of life. It's part of who we are. You know which station is going to tell you the score the game which one has going to give you a laugh in the morning which one will give you something to sing along with. You know where to turn when the weather gets robbed and something big happens good or bad you know where to go because radio has been here all along radio is part of your community woven into the fabric of what makes home home home and now radio his evolve to move with you with the next radio APP in your F._M.. Enabled phone just plug in your headphones to start experiencing radio in a whole new way while using way less battery data where the rubber always meets the road drink. Actually I'm not even sure what that means speed radio network life at heart disease fees dot com service killer newscast for Friday July the nineteen twenty like team. I'm by Clifford chance of a different sort greeted representative Omar upon return home to Minnesota also on our Friday rundown. A new report says gunshot survivors need more outreach support plus sharing climate change perspectives in Charlotte now our top story. You're presented a villain Omar returned to Minneapolis Saint Paul Airport Thursday to cheers C._B._S.. News reports that comes just one day after a crowd at president trump's rally chanted sent her her back when he signaled the Freshman Democrat out for criticism Omar then held a previously scheduled townhall and Medicare on Thursday night with Representative John Paul of Washington C._B._S.. Notes of our Somali refugees who became became naturalized American citizen is the only one of four women who was not born in the U._S.. That MR trump singled out falsely claiming she blamed the U._S.. For terrorist attacks the predominantly white North Carolina rally crowd responded bonded with those chances of center back a Michigan Group that advocates for Muslims is filing a civil rights complaint today against Tim Hortons restaurants claiming a worker there refused a survey Muslim American couple Opel and told them quote to go back to your own country. Suzanne Potter has our report at a news conference today the Council on American Islamic Relations Michigan Chapter plans to release video from the incident which it says took place importance restaurant restaurant in if Celente on June twenty eighth amy do Korea Staff Attorney for care says things went downhill when the couple said their coffee order was wrong and asked for a replacement or refund the clerk at important screamed at them the b word and and then say go back to your own country and she turned to the clerk and she said this is not country. I was born in Lansing. Michigan can't say that to me. I belong here and the clerk was like Oh do you you really you don't belong here. The couple of accord Cordera and her husband Amora Dini are U._S.. Citizens living in Ann Arbor. They said the clerk who appears to be an African American woman seemed to be angered by his accent and her head covering they say they left a message on the canadian-based restaurant chains complete line but that have not heard back the company did not immediately respond to a request for comment meantime Michigan Department of Civil Rights will investigate whether Tim Hortons on lawfully denied service at a public accommodation based on religion or national origin survivors survivors of firearm violence face like Maryland to their families or not getting the support. They need to cope with their recovery in trauma. That's according to a new report. Amnesty International says a combination of too much paperwork and not enough outreach keeps people people from accessing a Maryland program to help gunshot victims in twenty seventeen. The report says the most common reason for denying an application for victim compensation across all States was incomplete information on paperwork jazz meets. I'd sit who research manager Amnesty International since twenty four percent of denials were for this reason that paperwork surrounding <hes> applying P._d.. Fund it's hard to kind of navigate the system and for people who don't have support or they don't have access to some of that paperwork it can be kind of overwhelming the research surveyed survivors in cities with high rates of gun violence in Maryland Florida and Louisiana. The report says they're more than seven hundred firearm related deaths is in Maryland in two thousand seventeen but only one hundred ninety nine victim compensation applications and of those just fifty four were approved. This is Diane Bernard reporting there are concerns and less Bennett addition to the Ohio new state biennial royal budget could threaten democracy governor. Mike Dewine signed house bill one sixty six on Thursday which includes a provision to reduce the minimum number of workers at multi precinct polling locations on Election Day Mike brickner with advocacy the group all voting is local content. The need for poll workers is more crucial than ever as many counties will transition to new voting machines over the next year. It's very frustrating in that. We know that this could become a perfect storm for problems at the polls. I am twenty twenty. Two presidential election is going to have a higher turnout than gubernatorial elections but we even fond twenty eighteen record turnout supporters of reducing the number of poll workers point out that Ohio voters are now allowed to use any line in multi not precinct point locations so the processes smoother Mary Sherman reporting this story was produced in association with media in the public interest in funded in part by the George Foundation and finally Natty Araba gone tells us storms hurricanes some flooding of cost cities around the country billions of dollars today in Charlotte Business Leaders G._O._P.. Congressman Patrick McHenry or media talk about how climate change is impacting the finance and the business community experts say real estate infrastructure an electric utility sectors are especially vulnerable to rising sea levels record high temperatures and increasing extreme weather events Jerry Taylor who leads the Niskanen Center says CEOS and shareholders. I realize what's at stake about half of the venture capital in the world. Today is now directed by investors who are demanding climate action of a great majority of the U._S.. Corporate community is likewise interested in acting to head off the costs associated with climate change around fifty North Carolina business leaders are participating in today's discussion. The event was organized by the Nature Conservancy in North Carolina. I've my Clifford. Thanks for wrapping up your week. The public news service we are member listener supported ever all line at Public Service Dot O._R._G.. And now live from the studios of freedom speeding's Ernest Hancock believe me when I say we have a difficult time ahead of them but if we are to be prepared for it we must I shed our fear of it. I stand here without fear because I I would've meant. I remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me what because of the path that lies behind me I remember that one hundred years we have caught these machines and after clerk a century of law I remember that which members are still let us make them remember uh they feared ear to ear to ear to ear here on declare your independence understand cocker from the B. E. A.. You People Studios Freeze this Rings Phoenix Doc what we're GONNA do today with. We have in the third hour. We're going to have a saiteral Doug Nausbaum. It's been on for years criticizing. You know just seems like he's getting paid. You know especially John This vaccine thing so I might get your bud on so he rescheduled for next Tuesday. We'll see how this goes. I'm I'm really interested to see what allowed to say. It's been years. He just constant and I'm just aren't. Let's do it. <hes> in the second hour. Mike Silva is a legislator or was legislator the Free State Project in New Hampshire and he got targeted. They didn't like him none too much. I not not increase in the budgets suspending the money's and so on and affected you know some town that he moved into going after code violations. You're not supposed to be on your land gender just being the hassle and it was kind of like he's waiting on them. Bring it on so you're going to challenge challenge occupancy permits or certainly. That's what I want to do and that's what's GONNA wind up coming down to if it pleases the Crown May I dwell on my land and this is the issue. I think we're going to start focusing on the twenty twenty campaign here in Arizona is on a concept because if they can control where you live or even get to live on your land then they got you know and I get a pirate ship we're going to do now. We're going back to blast from the past and the future cindy she hand now cindy she hand. We cross paths since God. Oh four and I remember you cindy. I'm going to spend some time a my perspective on you and then you correct correct everything that I just did. I said wrong okay. I'M GONNA get a Pam this. I'm just going to give my impression because it's been awhile talk. We've gone to party four. We'd had you here in Phoenix and did we have you at our home. We did a thing here yeah. We did awesome so this is we been tight for you know over the years and this is how it happened. Cindy Sheehan's son Casey A._C. was killed in Iraq and she went to visit President Bush and he goes now he died for a noble cause and she's like okay well thanks and whatever and then kind of what noble cost. What's this noble cars you keep talking about about? I WanNa know the noble cause so during building up into I think it was the oh six election cycle which was the after the Oh four and then of course the Democrats want to take back the house. Nursing Pelosi became speaker speaker the houses after a selection now between four and six she was five star family or gold star families or so people have lost children family members in the war well well. She and her sister I think is your sister was with you. All the time Charles go yet when we were doing his show we went over the Air America and so on <hes> we have cindy on talking about the war and such why people don't know Oh is that she had written a lot of stories that were published and Lou Rockwell now Lou Rockwell Dot com is heavily libertarian site and seniors making a lot of good arguments so it wasn't like we didn't understand stand and but then move on which is you go left side right side of the pyramid you get to the top and you see it's all Seni- controls both sides you know from someone libertarian activist. I could see what was happening happening. Cindy from my perspective they wanted to use an abuse cindy like gay couldn't believe getting elected Democrats and brawl for peace and we'll get out of the war lying crap and I just could see him but they didn't realize Cindy Cindy was smart enough. She was using them. She was like yeah. We're GONNA get. We're GONNA get some go. Get some attention. Go and taking us me just do this. Well move on made sure that she got a lot of attention. She he got men to press. They turned to light on and you could see it happen. Well she went to camp. Casey was like camping on the side. In the ditch of the road in Crawford Texas where George W Bush had his ranch and I went there for a week and I could see it all build up what was happening. There's all kinds of stories and stuff that was going on but the main thing that I saw happening is there is a home there they called the House of peace or for repeat or something like that House that they bought this home in Crawford Texas now the guy that did it that ran that house using you know you know mercenary for the left of activists since the sixties seventies eighties he's or something like that. He's all over it and he and I hadn't understanding and it is there are some soldiers and there are some generals and some colonels kind of in this movement and you have a different ranking of stop now when they brought this coalition commission together we're for peace but it was like Greenpeace and progressives for this and progresses for that and we're going to whatever we got an everybody be vegetarian. It's just kind of certain kind of people that you would attract all came there invaded on the issue issue of anti war but it wasn't necessarily antiwar movement is used constantly and then discarded used discard. It used discarded okay so I saw this happen. Move on goes all this attention attention. Every radar satellite trucks and television broadcast of everything is there and then move on goes to her and they say look now. This is where you know. Make sure I get this right. I was there and they go look you. Stop Sane immediate withdraw and leave Kinda like Ron. Paul did a couple years later he goes eight. We marched in with his March out. That's what Sydney's message was and they go. Stop that you say phased withdraw or we pull support from you. How far awesome hello yeah did you said phased withdrawal and say you say phased withdrawal as opposed to just leaving okay? I had on some representatives from move Yvonne <hes> by the way yeah. It's so nice to be a here on C. again. Donna was telling me it's been six years with. No it's like I haven't stopped doing things. I've still been doing things about six years but anyway <hes> <hes> yeah they came to remember. I had somebody brought me that trailer where I could go in and get some air conditioning and and that was my sleeping place they came in with a few people move on and they said you support this bill out out of Iraq eventually or pulling all support from you and it was actually <hes> I believe it was Dennis Casino <unk> Neil Abercrombie from Hawaii Ron Paul in Walter Jones and they were sponsoring this get out of Iraq eventually bill <unk>. I'm like no our messages out of Iraq now immediately you know and then I had other people who were giving me financial support like <hes> was that guy's name the big you know meathead Rob Reiner he was saying to me. You know it sounds crazy when you say a leave immediately because that's not even doable and what they were saying was was that if the Democrats were GONNA use Antiwar Movement to get back in power than the antiwar movement was going that we were going to have to <hes> compromise our principles also because once they get in power we have to stop sane out of Iraq immediately and Afghanistan by the way and then look at wicked Ernie. Look at what we're we're still in those countries yeah no this is I we'll pick it up. When we come back? Okay I wanted to get kind of Besa house indy and I know each other and the antiwar Bouma how it's used used and we're not done that that moment right there was a turning point for my understanding away from the fifth letter of Captain Mark I contact but intelligent machines may threaten our existence people fear algorithm overlords but if machines developed the will dominate. It&#