20 Episode results for "Casey Stangl"

Moment of the Day (06/25/19)

Boomer & Gio

01:03 min | 1 year ago

Moment of the Day (06/25/19)

"A lot of talk about the Mets Mickey Callaway and his issue with the reporter from Sunday in Chicago. You know, Billy Martin punched a reporter one time. It's just part at part of this game. He was just being kind of, like, I don't find that funny, but he's trying to be. No. I know. That's why I played it with the laugh and I I just don't see as responding to. I saw him right answer. And I was like, all right. He's just trying to be funny. You know, he's trying to make light of the situation. Casey Stangl stab guy wants did that happen. Back in the day. I mean these things just part of the game you know. You know, Dolly Martin punched a report at one time. It's just part of part of this game. Danny Martinez at a reporter on fire ones. Long time ago. I mean this is just this. History. A moment. Hey, lethal weapon a long time ago. Right. Anyway, have a great day. All right. Thank you, Jerry. All right.

Mickey Callaway reporter Billy Martin Dolly Martin Casey Stangl Mets Danny Martinez Chicago Jerry
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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

5:01:00 hr | 8 months ago

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And here's host Ron Bucks and good to have you with us for another hour of America's sports talk show. I've been saying that since nineteen eighty eight but I love sanity nine spending time with your listeners. Around the world. We have a lot of servicemen and servicewomen. Listen to us on the American Forces Network. Five hundred stations in one hundred and seventy seven countries more than two hundred. Us Radio affiliates also Sirius Xm Iheartradio stitcher tune in crn digital. And now. Of course you can hear my interviews as podcasts all worldwide United Airlines flights. I also get a lot of sports books that come across my desk and I love reading a good many of them in the two gentlemen. That's GonNa join US tonight on the show Ira Burke how also Marty Appel have been with me before because they're prolific when it comes to writing books particularly baseball books for IRA. He's a former sports columnist for the New York Times and Pulitzer Prize winning author. And he's going to talk about his book. It happens every spring. Damasio the splendid splinter and a lifetime at the ballpark. And I know what he's talking about. I don't know whether you've had the opportunity to go down to spring training or not by yourself with your family but there's something about spring training baseball that's different from the regular season or even postseason play. It's more relaxed. The players are willing to talk to the fans signed autographs and of course the atmosphere smaller stadiums. It's just something special whether it's in Florida or whether it's in Arizona and so I'm looking forward to talking to him about his book and then Marty Appel Mardi New York Times bestselling author four Yankees. Pr Director noted Baseball Historian. Barney spent some twenty years with the Yankees. He began in public relations. I as Mickey Mantles Fan Mail clerk back in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight and rising to become the team's third. Pr Director and he has written a number of books on the Yankees and their players is latest is about one of the Yankees and baseball's iconic managers. It's called Casey Stengel Baseball's greatest character and indeed. He was because as a player stingles. Contemporaries include Babe Ruth Honus Wagner and Christy Mathewson and. He was the only person in history to wear the uniforms of all four teams. The dodgers the giants the Yankees and the mets and as a legendary manager he formed complicated relationships with Yogi. Berra Dimaggio also Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin. You're really GONNA find Marty's book of Al Casey Stengel insightful. An interesting as well. So we're ready to go. I Roberto next for you on Sports. Byline A LITTLE STORY ABOUT BOOST MOBILE DAVIS. I am feeling pain. What your dog die your girlfriend left you know the pain. I'm feeling as having old smartphone That's why I switch to boost mobile and got four free phones for twenty five dollars per line will. 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Winning author and his new book is called it happens. Every Spring Dimaggio the splendid splinter and a lifetime at the ballpark. Ira in your many years of watching and covering baseball. What makes an important in the culture of America? Well you know I think that number one. It's it's more leisurely than football or Or basketball as far as primary Sports are concerned Or even or even soccer and So there's time in between innings. That fathers can talk to sons. And there's unless you're at the ballpark and the and the music is blaring and you can't hear anything But And then there's the the tradition and the history of baseball. That is unlike any other sport that we have. And so you know Once upon a time it was called the National Past Van. Mostly owners of baseball teams. But I think that there was a germ of truth to it and And you know even you know people have said it's too slow or it's but I Attendance is great and look and and when teams are competing in the in the playoffs. It's exciting And there may you know as exciting. A sports event as ever occurred was game seven of the last world series cubs and Indians and And I'm not saying that just because I was from Chicago and Lifetime Cup Fan but although I've been in New York for over sixty years but I it's it's it's it's electoral game you know. It's it's thoughtful And and they wear knickers the way they did that in the in the nineteenth century. So it's similar in those ways but it's and it's a it's a beautiful game You know you could appreciate you know. There's nothing for me. There's nothing any more beautiful in sports than a shortstop going deep in the whole To make a play hand gloving with his left hand across his body and then writing himself and throwing hard a long throw across the Infield the first baseman and and just narrowly getting the runner high. Anyway it seems aesthetically satisfying and just to back you up. I was down at spring. I was going over in Scottsdale to the giants game covering that and I'll never forget walking behind a father and an eight year old son. The son had a big baseball glove. The father had his arm around his son and said guess who. We're going to see today. We're going to see Mickey Mantle. That is one of the special things that goes from. Era Era translates very well. Doesn't it. Well you're you're right you're right Ryan I guess you know And but in football it's close to the action in baseball which is Kinda Nice there at the crack of the bat and and And and and basketball. There's squeaker the sneakers and movement is fast and and and and the bodies are crashing a Other the boards. I mean you know best. What can be very rough game but at the sidelines of a football game. It's sounds are it's almost like we're a World War And you know I mean even the punt is noisy but I've been on the sidelines. They're crashing and smashing. They're snorting They don't put. The baseball is just a beautiful for for for me. Although I I liked basketball a lot especially and and football It's it's fun to watch from from a distance But I wouldn't want like Joe Nemeth and even breadth fire They said that they wouldn't. They wouldn't want their children or their grandchildren to play football out to people that this is a collection of stories so it covers a vast part of baseball and history and players in everything but the other thing I like about this book is it has humorous stories in it and I was talking to Willie mays down at spring training one time around the batting cage and I said what happened to storytelling Willie in Baseball. And he says it's a lost art but you in this book have really collected some of those humor stories. Tell one of them. And maybe you might include in the discussion the Minor League catcher who was substituting something for a baseball yes Isn't it with president hand and I had a column to write one morning and I was looking through the papers and I saw a very small item about a a a Class A- catcher in the Indians Organization and it was in Ohio I believe and And he was he would throw it off his team because this is what he did it was. The end of the season is team was in last place. There was an so they had No chance for a playoffs and He thought he'd bring a little humor to the solemness of his team. Which were going wasn't going anywhere and So he he got a potato and shaved the potato to shape like a baseball and put it in his back pocket and so at one point the other team had a runner on third base and And the the pitcher threw the pitch. He caught the ball and very quickly. He took the shaved potato out of his back. Pocket is right Back pocket and then he threw over the head of the third baseman. As if to try to pick off the rudder well the runner comes running in and the catcher has the ball and the catcher then tags the guy out. The Umpire Dicko is funny. Because the guy safe and right after the game The manager didn't take it was funny either any fired. Any he fires the player and before leaving the The team The player had another Potato which he saved US saved this look like a baseball in the shape of Baseball. And he gave it the put on the manager's desk with a note and the note read this spuds for you that is great why do you think some of the storytelling baseball has diminished? Well it. It may be seen in the sports section all along the way because number one. They're more sports and number two I it seems that made the editors end and the writers Are Looking AFL are looking for the nuts and bolts of of a series of the seriousness of the gains and there. Is You know there's steroids and there are different kinds of up cheating and corruption and so forth so That's that's what they're looking for and I grew up reading Red Smith who was a great storyteller. It's a sports columnist and And that's Roomy To to journalism and enter Sports You Know He. He would write about the basics as well but periodically. You know he would write a A humor column or something happening. It's funny and then he can be funny and and a lot of cayman just talking to players. I mean they had all these funny stories among themselves and So I I. I tried that and over the years of my over almost fifty years of reading the reading sports and But I rarely see it anymore and and readers may not even realize but they're missing something. I think and You know I was charmed by that that the Tayo Story and I and readers were to So maybe is really said. It's it's Kinda lost art because the writers aren't looking for this kind of thing and I think editors are not asking for it a little bit over a minute left. And what do you want people to take away from this book? Ira Well you know there's opinions there's there's as you say you know. There's there's humor. There's there's drama And it's a it's a reflection of of our lives in America and Through the through the prism of baseball. And Are you happy with the way this book came out? I'm very happy with. I think the publisher did a beautiful job. I I think it's attractive looking book and with a great cover And I I hope that That readers share their love of Of storytelling as as I did. I tried to employ in about thirty five seconds. Is there a moment in baseball? And all your years of coverage that kind of is in etched in your mind Well there's many but you mentioned again Willie mays and at the end of his career. He was forty two years old and I remember in spring training That he he struck out and and it was getting later in the afternoon and and he's walking back to the DUGOUT and And there was a shadow a shadow. His shadow was sort of following behind him and it was almost like that this was the this was really amazed at the end of his career and he was just a shadow of his former self. I WanNa thank you IRA. Congratulations on another outstanding book. And come back when you read another one for us. Okay right thank you. I remember cow again former sports columnist for the New York Times and a Pulitzer Prize winning author be sure to check out his latest book. It's a wonderful read about the history of baseball. Some great stories in there over the decades that he had been covering baseball. It's called it happens. Every spring we continue across the country and around the world on sports. Byline it has been said that everyone has a book in them. 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That's eight hundred five eight four twenty five. Nineteen this is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar Marty. Appel joins US ON SPORTS BYLINE USA. He's written a number of books. He is a New York. Times bestseller and usually the books are about the Yankees either as an organization from ownership standpoint or about the players says well he is a bestselling author as I said former Yankees PR director and a noted baseball historian and he spent some twenty years with the Yankees. He began in public relations. I is Mickey mantles. Fan Mail clerk in nineteen sixty eight and rising to become the team's third PR director. He's written a number of books on the Yankees as I said and their players and his latest book about one of the Yankees and baseball's iconic managers. It's called Casey Stengel baseball's greatest character as a player stangled contemporaries included Babe Ruth honus Wagner and Christy Mathewson and. He was the only person in history to wear the uniform of all four New York teams. The dodgers giants Yankees and mets as a legendary manager. He formed the complicated relationships with Yogi. Berra Joe Dimaggio Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin and he was the undisputed Quirky Hilarious and beloved face baseball and along the way he revolutionized the role of manager while winning a spectacular ten minutes and seven world series championships and he was elected to the hall of fame in Nineteen Sixty six. What was it Mardi? That made stangl so appealing to you that you wanted to write a book about him. Well it had been thirty five years or so since Bob Kramer did a really classic Casey Stengel biography. But I had available to me the internet which Bob didn't have by then and I could research his all the newspapers from his minor league cities when he was a young player so that was a wealth of information there that had long been lost and then the family gave me an unpublished memoir by. Casey's wife Edna which showed a whole different side of Casey stangl. We'd always known Casey Baseball man now. We knew him as more of a person Casey the man so with this new material. I didn't feel I was treading on old ground. Just repeating cremers work and off. I went tell me a little bit about him growing up in Kansas City. Well he was a little bit of a rascal is a kid. Which sort of plays into this He and his brother grants for recreation in the wintertime. They used to like to throw snowballs at men with pipes to try and knock the pipes out of their mouth. So that was Casey. The child and he was never student of the month of central high school but he did learn to play. Baseball there and Right after high school he became a professional minor league player. You know he didn't want to be a baseball player really. Didn't he? Want to be a dentist. Well a funny story because he did go to dental school in Kansas City. For three years having you know he wanted to have a career to fall back on But he didn't finish because it was decided that it was just too difficult for a left-hander to be a dentist in those days. Might still be difficult today at sure but too difficult for a left-hander and I came to the conclusion which I put in the book. What took them three years to figure. They might have come to that conclusion. On the first day you think aside from baseball ability got a reputation as I guess you might say eccentric player because one Scout Mike. Ko referred to stangl as Dandy ballplayer. But it's all from the neck down well He was he was a decent player. I mean he wasn't a hall of Famer but he played fourteen years. He played on four pennant winning teams and He developed great intuition about the game particularly sitting side by side with John. Mcgraw in the New York giants dugout where he learned an awful lot so his eventual success as a manager which came quite a number of years later goes back to just being paying attention on the field while he was a player and he was also considered a little bit of a difficult guy because he did his own negotiations. I know he played for the dodgers from nineteen twelve through nineteen seventeen and he routinely held out from the team before each season in contract disputes. Now players didn't usually do that. You accepted whatever the owner wanted to give you and it just got to a point that Charles ebbets traded single then to the Pittsburgh pirates after a couple of years because he just got sick and tired of it. He often had contract disputes with management. One year he actually three fused to report to the Philadelphia Phillies. This was a midseason trade and he said I'm not going to Philadelphia and instead he went home to Kansas City. Organized an amateur team and found games. out into the West In a barnstorming ways. So I mean today I think that would pretty much get suspended but There was no commissioner back then and he was freer to do acts like that. I don't know whether you saw this story but I came across it in one thousand nine hundred nineteen When he was with the pirates he was being taunted by the dodger fans. Who of course he played for the dodgers before going to the pirates and Casey got hold of a sparrow and he used to turn the crowd to his favor with that sparrow apparently with the bird. Tuck gently beneath his cap. Facie straight to the plate amidst the chorus of boos and catcalls. He turned to the crowd tipped his hat. And outflow the sparrow and the years. Turn to cheers and Stengel became an instant fan favourite at that point. Well you've told the story well and that's in the book What it really did. The fans in Brooklyn Loved Casey. He was a real crowd pleaser wherever he was They booed him because he was now an enemy player in this was his first game back but when he released that poor little sparrow from under his cap. He won the fans over and he was forever after a really popular figure in Brooklyn. You mentioned about him playing for the Phillies Boston. Aside from the dodgers and the New York giants he went to three world series. Tell me about each of those He actually went to four. He just didn't get into any of the Games in one of them but he was on four world series teams And his highlight in that was in one thousand nine hundred twenty three the first year of Yankee Stadium. He hit the very first world series home. Run in the Yankee Stadium while playing for the New York giants now. Of course it being Casey Stengel. There had to be a funny story that went with that and it was an inside the park home. Run and Casey who was kind of an old player by then in his thirties was hustling around the base chugging his way losing his breath and he thought along the way that one of his shoes flew off anyway he slides home and he gets up and he says to hang out the on deck hitter. I think I lost my shoe out there and gouty looked down and he said how many were you wearing because he still has to He was reported to be a competent player. As you pointed out but even he said one time I had many years that I was not so successful as a ball player as it is because it's a game of skill. Did he not feeling was that particularly good He had the self confidence that most major league players have. He thought he was good enough but he was also smart enough to know. He wasn't Babe Ruth and he had a fight for job every year near the end of his career. He went to the To the Boston Braves. And he was the fourth outfielder on a roster. Where I'm sure you haven't heard of any of the three guys who were starters. And he kind of knew. It was all over for him. Then how did he get into managing Right from Boston. They're the owner of the braves. Judge Aimal Fuchs owned team in Worcester Massachusetts and was obvious that Casey's playing days were winding down he s case if he'd liked to go to Worcester and manage the team there and Casey said yes He also made him team president at Worcester so he could make a little more money. At the end of the season he had an offer to go to Toledo which was a higher ranking minor league team judge. Fuchs didn't want him to go But Casey saunas obvious advancement. So Casey the president sent a letter to Casey. The manager firing him. Nothing Judge Fuchs could do about. Where did the University of Mississippi come into that In in early in his career One of his high school classmates got a job. Coaching Baseball. At Ole Miss He invited Casey to come down as an assistant coach and he couldn't pay KC but he was able to get him a professorship teaching some classes so out of that given the nickname of the school is Ole Miss. He became known as the old professor. Any also coached With Milwaukee when they were in the American Association and with the OAKS and the Pacific Coast League as well. Tell me about those two stops. Well Milwaukee was owned by Bill Vic who was often World War Two and never on the scene but he hated the idea of Casey being as manager He was disgusted. That the the guys doing the hiring pick Casey stangl out of everybody Vick was never a fan. Needless to say and that only lasted one year when he went to Oakland. He had pretty good team. There in the Pacific Coast League was like a major league back then when there were only sixteen major league teams the Coast League was equal to You know like the next eight teams that we have now so When he won the junior world series with the Oakland Oaks. In one thousand nine hundred. Forty eight his star really rose. That was a great accomplishment. He did it with a lot of well-known veteran players and a kid named Billy Martin at Second Base and that put Casey back on the radar as a potential manager. Some day somewhere and that would prove to be the Yankees Marty. Appel is with us again. Historian baseball historian spent a long time with the Yankees as their PR. Director has another wonderful book out. I want you to check this out. It's about one of the iconic figures in Baseball Casey stingl and it's called Casey Stengel baseball's greatest character. We continue across the country and around the world on Sports. 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Five gigabytes of data during the billing cycle be prioritized during times of network congestion offers coverage not available everywhere see booth whole dot com retail for full details. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Var Marty. Appel is with us here on Sports. Byline talking about his book. Pacy stingl baseball's greatest character. We're GONNA make a selection of the month on the sports byline. Us A book corner and you mentioned about going to the Yankees. When he got there was ought in any particular way. Or how did he take on that challenge? He should have been odd because these were the elite New York Yankees and he's whole managing career had been with low budgets second-division teams but he'd been in the game long enough and knew everybody and had enough self confidence that he wasn't going to play that game of being an awe and interestingly everybody had their eyes on how he would get along with Joe Dimaggio who was the elite player in the game at that point the very first day of the very first spring training for the two of them. Casey came out of the clubhouse and he read spring training rules. Like how much you are supposed to tip the maids and things like that and one of the rules. He threw into the mix. There was at the players. Were not allowed to go to the dog track at night. Well anyone who'd followed the Yankees for years knew that this is what Joe Dimaggio did every night. So this was some line in the sand for Casey to draw with his star player. And what happened? Was that Dimaggio went anyway. And when they went and asked Casey about it case he said well. I have no firsthand knowledge of that. I wasn't there and that was the end of the controversy. Can you imagine today with twenty five hundred cell phone cameras? Going off and the headlines. The next day saying what now Casey. What a controversy. That would have been. The answer would have been. I mentioned in the introduction that he formed complicated relationships with Yogi Berra Joe Maggio Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin. What was behind that behind? It was Casey self confidence that he's the boss and what he says goes When Billy Martin got traded in nineteen fifty seven after a fracas at the Copacabana nightclub. Billy was extremely hurt and offended that Casey wouldn't stop that trade and stand up him. He was Casey's boy And for twenty years they never spoke. But if Casey was asked about it during those in ensuing years Casey would just say. Tell Billy Martin to grow up. This is the profession. He chose people get traded every day. Grow up this happens. Move on so To Casey knew his place in the Hierarchy Casey's record certainly speaks for itself. He became the only man to manage a team to five consecutive world series championships. The streak ended with the Yankees failing to win the American League pennant in nineteen fifty four but staying on the Yanks resumed their dominance. Going on to win five more American league pennants in the next six years and two more world championships before strangles abrupt dismissal. After the nineteen sixty world series. You know after what you just said. What was the glue on that team? Was it just purely talent or was you? What made them so successful for such a long stretch. It was talented. I mean he was credited with inventing platooning where he pitch righties against lefties. And you know you mix and match so well but he had the talent to do it. He had and one time at seven infielders All of whom had been all-stars so what a luxury that was You know as he proved later on. If you don't have the players you can't really put very well and win any games. So it was the talent that he had there But he was a brilliant baseball mind as well he would remember. Oh this guy got two hits against that guy back in April off curve balls. I'm GONNA play him tonight. He just intuitively had that knowledge. Yeah that intuitive word is the one that I think The most from everybody that I've even thought of or or remember talking about him because one of his rivals was Al Lopez who played for him with the dodgers and braves wants and he said I'm single. I swear I don't understand. Some of the things he does. When he manages since he was in the forefront of a lot of this thinking where do you think that came from You mean where did Casey's knowledge come from? Where did this strategy which was very unique for baseball bat? Time part of it was? Casey was himself platoon by John. Mcgraw when he was a player on the giants He didn't invent platooning he just used it so successfully because he had the the players to work with but he saw in action under McGraw and Baseball Baseball Managers. Knew the righty. Lefty thing you know even back to the turn of the century So it wasn't like he suddenly discovered that well right handers can't hit right handed pitching as well as they can't lefthanded pitching but he was able to use it and use a successful. Marnie when you think about that period of time. I've often said that in reflection because I was very young. I don't remember it that much but I always said at least in New York that it was the golden age of baseball. Was I correct about that? I think the era of the fifties was the golden age for baseball. And I say that because you still had sixteen teams and now you had African American players being signed so it was sort of the maximum pool of players coming into the major leagues and of course as a Fan. We knew the four hundred players in the major leagues. It was much easier to get your arms around it then so felt much more comfortable for a fan base than it does today. Why was he? dumped after the sixty series There were several reasons. Part of it could have been age. He was seventy today. You just can't make a blanket decision like that without inviting lawsuits but the Yankees instituted retirement policy. And they felt at Seventy. It was time to go. Was the real motivation there. Though was the first base coach. Ralph how Was Seen as a brilliant manager in waiting and they knew that if they didn't make a decision on Casey stangl soon they were gonNA lose. How probably to Boston or Detroit? Both of whom were pursuing him. One of the things that I remembered as when he came out of retirement and a sense name was only out for one season and they talked him into managing. The mets and the mets were a new expansion team and they had absolutely no chance of winning and he responded that he said it's a great honor to be joining the knickerbockers. Now a New York baseball team that had seen its last game. Around the time of the civil war he might have remembered. The knickerbocker also reminds me of when he was hired by the Yankees in nineteen forty nine The CO owner of the team was Dan topping and he called him Bob Topping at the press conference. Not a good thing to do. You know with the mets. They were terrible as everybody pretty much knows. And he had a couple of great sayings he said one time. I've been in this game one hundred years but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. How bad were those mets in those first years well they were pretty awful and I lived in New York and I watch their games and they won forty they lost one hundred and twenty and they were very creative. They would come up. They would be winning three two two four to the eighth inning and they'd find a way to lose it. Interestingly though Casey was not as engaged with the Games as he had been with the Yankees he kind of turned over the lineup chores. The pitching rotation to his coaching staff notably Cookie Lavish Geno unsullied Amos and his center. Fielder the future hall of Famer Richie Ashburn kind of ran the game on the diamond positioning players and sort of being the manager on the field during the Games. Casey was often seen nodding off in the dugout and missing a few innings So things have changed dramatically between his last year of the Yankees and his first year with the mets and it was perfect perfect for his personality. Because I have a couple of other quotes he said when he was managing the mets and those first couple years he said one time I got one that can throw but can't catch one that can catch but can't throw and one who can hit but can't do either. Well I can tell you that My friend Steve Jacobson who was just breaking in as a sports writer with Newsday back then Had just gotten married. And he brought his wife to spring training and he introduced his wife to Casey and Casey bowed and said I'm only meeting for the first time. And you're already good enough to be my third string catcher one of the other ones. He once observed see that fellow over there. He's twenty years old in ten years. He has a chance to be a star. Now that fellow over there he's twenty years all also in ten years. He has a chance to be thirty truly did say that. Yeah what about the Go into that. Because that was an important part of his character and his personality. Well that was called Stengel lease and it. Kinda flourished during his Yankee years when he had the ability to double talk his way through answer either because he didn't want to answer or he was delaying it until he thought of the answer or he was just being entertaining and the most famous use of it of course was when he testified in front of a congressional committee in Nineteen Fifty Eight. He was asked one question. And he proceeded to give his life story instinct elise with no punctuation marks at all and became. It's still on Youtube. If somebody wants to see Casey Stengel testimony Mickey Mantle followed Casey and was asked one question and Mickey said I. My my answer is kind of just agree with whatever Casey said I tell you. He has some great ones and I hope people out there will look them up or try to hear them. If there can be found someplace. Warren Spahn who had briefly played understand with the braves and the mets comment at one time. I'm probably the only guy who worked for stangl before. And after he was a genius was he considered a genius he was. It became a genius during his Yankee. Years Spun Pitch for him. When he managed the hapless. Boston braves were then called the Boston. Bees and he cut more and spun. He didn't think he was In enough guts to throw it hitters and be tough on the mound and then spun went and became a World War. Two Hero showed you how. Smart Casey was back then but he. He later came back and pitched for Casey near the end of his career with the mets and one day. Kate. Warren Spahn and Yogi Berra form. The battery for the mets Yogi had moved over to the mets of that point and it was. I think remains the oldest battery in baseball history. Both of them being over forty hours he received for the by the media at that time but the media New York while you know it certainly was the media but it's different Back when he was managing as compared to today They loved them and that was his job and all these new young writers were coming on the scene and they just appreciated everything Casey had to say. One of them was Maury Allen who wrote for the New York Post who loved Casey so much and he wrote two or three books about Casey's witticisms about Casey's actions. He really loves the old man. And then when Casey finally died in nineteen seventy five. He died about eleven o'clock at night in Los Angeles and I wrote in the book It was one last favor for Maury Allen because the story couldn't make the morning papers and Maury wrote for the afternoon paper. Yeah one of the great things about his life was A. This is a love story almost in a sense because he was very close to his wife. His wife fanatic stroke and he was by her side to the very end even live two and a half years longer than he did What was behind that relationship? It was a very loving relationship. They never had children together. They married when they were both in their thirties. And those days that was considered too old to have children so she was by his side for most of his career. Traveling with the team Being there all during spring training and everything and She was an elegant woman. She did him well. She didn't proud It was that memoir of hers from Nineteen Fifty Eight that really opens my eyes to how classy she was as well as the beautiful relationship that the two of them shared. We only have a minute left. Or what do you want people to take away from this book Marty? Well in the course of doing the book I came to realize that despite winning all those pens and being in the world series he's becoming a forgotten figure People under forty looked at me with blank stares when I would mention what I was working on so I'd like for him to sort of be reintroduced to the baseball public because he certainly deserves it How do I mean how many tenants do you have to win to be remembered but he was such a funny guy and engaging guy and You know I say when I wrote the book the stories tell themselves all I had to do was put it on paper and get out of the way well. Congratulations another wonderful book from Marty Appel. I appreciated Marty and again. I want everybody to check this book. It's called Casey Stengel baseball's greatest character. Thanks for joining us again. Marty my pleasure always thank you run again Marty Appel New York Times bestselling author former Yankees. Pr Director and a noted baseball historian. Talking about the Great Casey stangl. 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As a matter of fact being here where we are inside pan we spend more than half the day a day ahead of the rest of the United States. As said. It's it's like we're totally in the future. The only problem is I haven't figured out how to figure out what the lottery numbers are. It doesn't work that way now. Hawaii's on the one side on the far side of the international dateline right absolutely so they really are far behind us. Even though they're geographically the closest your like plays with your plays with your mind when you tried to call Hawaii versus calling Detroit. You know it's like it's counter. Intuitive but yeah you know so they they are way behind. It's it's it's kind of Funky. And when the for instance Super Tuesday was happening you know Tuesday a lot earlier here than it was there. I'm looking for the results on Wednesday morning noon before on Wednesday before I'm getting the Super Tuesday results absolutely and quite the results they were. Let's talk about the presidential stuff here briefly. Well what I think is awesome is how you know Michael Bloomberg you know after spending five hundred million dollars half a billion dollars drops in the advertising industry. I'd say thank you Mike. Yeah he couldn't sway the election. The way couple hundred grand facebook ads from the Russians could do well. It's the Russians. After all the Democrats terrible policy it's not putting up the worst most unpalatable candidate possible. It's the Russians just like I'm GonNa get the country to behave like. Yeah there you go. Mike. This is a sheer way of getting everybody's oppositional defiant disorder and everybody wants to be told they can't have a big gulp. Yeah well I'm glad he's out Elizabeth Warren out. She but she did say that every the Bernie Sanders is responsible for his candidates his supporters which is interesting. How can you be responsible for your supporters will see left collectivists? Kind of believe crazy stuff like that. It really is. Yeah but what if what if a KKK guys sent money to the Elizabeth Warren Campaign. Is She then risk capable for the KKK? Only if they send it to a Republican. That's right yeah like I if a if a if a Ku Klux Klan guys sent You know like fifty cents to trump. Oh yeah trump's in collusion but yeah if they send it if they send it to Elizabeth Warren no absolutely not and yeah. I mean that's a silly silly thought the two has I guess at this point Joe Biden went from an afterthought doing nothing in Iowa to the presumptive nominee at this point. It's crazy. Well my conspiracy theory is is that Joe Biden is. He's he's the guy that they're gonNA put in there because well first of all he is been there boy for a long time. Yeah he's been a different candidate. He's been a different politician the seventies the eighties the ninety s the teens have. He's been doing it a long time. But but he's also he's also Bat Guano insane. Well he's well he's I think he's. I think he's suffering. I mean I'm not a psychiatrist but he he's definitely showing signs of dementia. But my theory is is that what they're gonNA do. What state as it. Yeah I mean. And and he's He forgot Barack Obama's name a couple of times speech. Well I just was fascinated to find out how he found out about roaches that day when he was talking about his hairy legs. Yeah I have these Harry legs. They turn they turn blonde in the sun and I go to the swimming pool in the little children would climb my legs in stroke by hair. And that's how I found out about roaches and I'm going. Yeah he's he's he's he's going to lead the world but the thing is is. I really believe that Hillary Clinton is going to be brought into the convention as his running mate and they're also talking about Michelle Obama and it's going to be a totally broker convention. Where none of these people who who believe that. The electoral college is bad because their vote didn't count. You WanNA see your vote. Really not count. Just Watch and wait until the convention so my theory is is what they're going to do they're Gonna. Bring Bring Hillary and Queen Hillary and then like right after he gets if he won which I doubt it but you know you never know what's going to happen. But if he wins what they want to do is they'll probably take that twenty-fifth amendment stuff because they've been pushing that A. It's basically saying that if the president has been deemed by the cabinet to be incompetent or or whatnot you know that they can remove them and put the president Put the vice president in charge. Okay so so then. They put Hillary in charge. So then they'd put all worked out and they'd have Madam President Because You know I think these people are I think. Democratic Party is just that delusional. Kimchi get anything. Done as Somebody who has been placed in as opposed to I mean there's no mandate at that point right. Well I don't know but it's like this. I believe that they do have that. Plan to take down America and bring it into a globalist Type of situation the ball Paul Perch the perch society. Well Yeah and this is something I like the Q. Guys have been talking about but I I really. Yeah after well. Here's the thing I've been kind of studying the stuff for like thirty years like it started with the Kennedy assassination. It always does. I really think that the cabal that wacked John Kennedy has been in charge in like trump was an anomaly and he was never supposed to come in and I think there is all. You must not be in charge. If he could come in right. Well you know I think we had some guardian angels in in the military who are patriots and they they they have anything to do with the vote counting though well it wasn't about the vote counting what I think they did was. They picked to guy with enough name. Recognition enough of his own money and convinced him to run. And I think that's kind of happened. Yeah the thing that Biden managed to stop with Sanders is what the Republicans didn't see coming with trump's so I believe here's my conspiracy theory that Biden picked up the phone and called all the other candidates and basically said hey look sanders is going to get thirty to forty percent in every state. Because that's his what he's able to pull the only way we can beat him as we have one candidate that can get sixty and they can't control him. I mean he may be. He may be I believe Bernie. Sanders is a stink in Communist. But you know I mean. Let's let's face it the communists. That isn't paid off. Well I think I think in the I think in the last election they offered him silver lead and I think I think he made the right choice. 'cause you know you saw. He bought that new house. Right after the Primary could've had the money anyway. But Yeah I mean I I. I think there's a lot more going on and I think you have to be naive to like think that there isn't some rough stuff going on but by the most important position in the world. Yeah so one would think there's a certain amount of rough stuff that goes on. My question is is it. Really the Wilson. It's the most public position but like you know the they didn't say powerful. I set important. Well the shooter shifting Reptilians that actually don't want their name in the paper. I say that with my tongue in cheek I hear they live their Stapleton Airport. Well no that's just that's just their Hilton. They hang out at every. Every airport has a little place underneath for the prescription delivered elicited. Well well actually actually got their main main place in the Vatican library and then like Buckingham Palace here. Of course I'm just. I'm just quoting David. I I remember reading David. I for the first time in Nineteen ninety-six reading. 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It was just news to me when I saw the news stories. But Anyway we'll get into that here in the near future. I I want to go to Harry calling in from Fort Wayne Harry. You're on free talk live. What's on your mind all right? Hey how's it going to talk about the corona virus? That's all right so I kinda dig your opinion on it. You Want my opinion about the virus. Okay well Florida before I guess you can say so basically from my understanding that it's just something that it's practice goods from other like media tensions like the economy like how you just mentioned the word or something like a line there. What's that that I believe? You need to state that. I didn't understand really good and I turn anyway so I was dating that you believe that. The crow virus just some virus. That's just distracting from something like the economy like you mentioned. Further Corona virus has killed fewer people in the amount of time. That's been in the news. The flu has and so. I think it's interesting that people focus on this This this lesser problem with a greater problem facing them. But I don't know I know I do not think the corona viruses some kind of news conspiracy to keep us from talking about the economy. But you know I mean there. There are important issues out there sure. Well there's there's been a couple of things that I've been reading in looking at about. This thing is that it's definitely being used by the Chinese Communist Party. I think as an excuse to crackdown on dissidents. It's very convenient to be able to lock everybody up in their apartments and and then say oh well. You've got corona virus and then take them out and then they died of corona virus. So you had the Hong Kong protests going on big time. You had other. They're they're getting on point and they're getting Squirrel Squirrel e with Taiwan and that might be an excuse and then of course the media who has has it in for doing whatever they can to derail the president president trump. They'RE GONNA use the fear to drum up like for example. I saw Bill Maher back. Young couple of years ago was saying the only way to get rid of trump is to have a recession. Well if that means people are going to have to starve so be it. You know these. You know the limousine liberals sitting there so I think that yes absolutely. People are going to use this as a black swan event to try to to try to do whatever they can to bring about an agenda now is it. Is it a hoax though? I it's a real virus. What do you think Kerry I believe? I believe it is a real virus. This is what my understanding is that. Yeah people have died from the flu like because plutot came long long ways to go. You know what I'm saying back I understand right When like when the first settlers came to America didn't they came with like some certain disease that Connie killed like wiped out. Yeah there were actually a variety of diseases. But it's because it's because the people here in the North American continent didn't have immunity. Same thing happened in. The Maryanne is actually happens everywhere right. And you know it's funny because Lodging at it is just because All Hoxha because How Corona virus is doing and he I I do. I do believe it is not a hope. Do believe it is danger and I do believe it. Kills and so y y y affect us. Is that the problem because they said that ten p Okay from my understanding ten people have died. And there's like two hundred cases of the corona virus. Okay so how can you really track all down knowing people really have had because people in China the only reason why they're getting it's just because it how many what's population of China like eight million? I don't know I wait. Two billion billion and guess what China is very. It's kind of a small country versus us. We're the country and we can same size same size geographically China China's exactly the same thing I just don't think the states has enough tests in enough locations. Supposedly somebody in Bradenton Florida in my home town came up with it. Well we awareded Manatee Memorial Hospital tests. Do they have? And how do we know skunks call here? Scuttlebutt is that there's been ten cases here in Saipan but that skuld. They've said things but we don't know because it's difficult to get the tests out and you only know if somebody's been given a test anyway. It's a good topic and interest in it Larry from Indiana. You're on free talk live. No I was looking audio's way. Low Harry Harry. I can't hear very well that much. That's a lot better sir okay. I'll cut the speakerphone. 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It says in the coming disaster law and order decency leadership will come to an end and oppression will be the rule the whole people will be anarchy. Indeed leaders have misled and confused. The people for this reason God has entered his core room to bring former charges against this nation for their covenant violation versus thirteen and fifteen. He has entered his legal brief against the elders and guy and government officials making against them. This charge they have crushed the for and have used the poverty and defencelessness of the week as their source of wealth and shrimp. I go on that long but I gotta say that is some good stuff right there it is it is. I mean the last part of that is so true because now you see all the five zero one. Three charitable corporations coming in you. See all the people here coming to do good or climate change itself and and the people doctors and just like this virus and stuff we have gone on. Now that's part of it. Somebody's getting paid off big time in the medical industry for this this Disease that does not amount to as much as the flu viruses causing damage on people but we are being as running up to play poker. Where's the little we're going out? I've seen so many stupid looking people today. Downtown with big mask over. Their face isn't that they can do something to help themselves. I mean people need to get it. Get a grip and see what they're being used. I mean sick people with cancer Homeless People people with AIDS People with addiction problems are all been praying about vultures and and that is when they do that they only create more poor people more homeless people so for them to cite the blood out of then talk their guts out so we need to really wake up Americans. Whoever's out there we solve this a man we solve it Larry Powder. We saw it but waking up and stopped going for everything they say. I'M IN CORONA IS I mean. Give it a bear name right. Everybody loves beer. Funny Interesting Corona out of Kobe. Nineteen no and now they want to have our state where the government governor came out today. There's one case right now. They're everybody's rejoicing about the one case. I mean it's like your state ain't got a corona as well. You need to go get one. You can get an extra money from the federal government for Your Sake. People so means they one good thing now. I'm getting my radio from C. Christ available to listen to the program. They do have high-quality radio. Thanks for the call. Larry see crane count. The company is known as the producer of the best radios in the world. Am FM sort of. And you get shortwave and whether channel and all that stuff in one One Go. I don't know if I consider the I don't know what the relationship to the Bible Prophecy and and cope with nineteen is but nonetheless. I think it's Leeann Larry's got some interesting opinions. Well here's the Bible off. That has some very good insights whether you you see it as the inspired God or just great literature might have just been. Isaiah talking about the The invasion of Babylon well. You know history rhymes you know. So there's there's There's certain things they come in but The Corona Virus Where IT GETS. Its name is of from the shape of the virus itself. It's basically like the corona son. Yeah that's that's kind of how they got the name and then the beer where they got their name from two well corona means crown right now interests asset if you're into the queue and non conspiracy stuff was listening to the X. Twenty to report the other day. I know nothing of this stuff. But but but Apparently the good guys are winning winning. What well like. The deep state is being plowed under. And there's people that are you know. There's there's a war going on which I believe It's been going on for a while. But the levels of deep state exists a criminal. Yeah like a but one of the theories is like the criminals of the deep state around the world. The globalist will start coming down with globalists' well the globalist like the corona virus being like the crown virus. You know you'll have like for example. The pope currently just got a cough and apparently apparently like the Ministry of one of the one of the the vice president or the prime minister but one of the big wigs in Iran. Just died from it. Yeah so like according there's a theory going out that that that's Kinda like the symbolism there and I don't know but you know as far as the whole biblical thing goes I mean. Yeah what we're going through some pretty biblical times when as I said history rhymes so yeah well is it is it really biblical or is the reaction. Yes Biblical. I think that That the history rhymes as he says. These sorts of things have gone on for a very long time not to say that they created viruses to go after the poor. But certainly those in power. The wealthy and those in power used to always be the same. Now they're not exactly. Bledsoe's has power. But bezos isn't the state whereas the state was always the wealthy and vice versa throughout human history and now since the industrial revolution we have some some loss of parody in that area but it's unlikely say in Biblical Times that they spread some kind of a bio weapon but they did take advantage of the poor whenever they could have had plagues and the Boo Bonnet. Play back in the things that the twelve or thirteen hundred started by belief in Christianity. Those priests didn't like cats. Well well actually actually they. The plague plague started in China. Yeah it was brought to Europe through The ships which we had the rats and at the time when people were dropping dead they thought it was the Judgment Day. Thought it was the end of the world thought. Jesus was coming back. Everybody thinks that's the case so time you know it's an and I'm not saying that Jesus isn't coming back or he is. Chris believe he came back in the first century. Well the the one thing I think all Christians really need to understand is that you know like it says right there in the Bible. If you're going to believe in that book that says no man knows the time or the date so when I see people on TV. Like I used to watch Jack Van impe because he had this crazy heat miser hair in anyway but but they had they. They kept trying to set dates. It was wrong. Oh sure sure it will. I think we're always going to do that to setting dates this fun and that's what People WanNa do. The number is eight five five four five zero three seven three three. If you know the date that the world is going to come to an end call in so we can make fun of you. Eight fifty five four fifty three here on free talk live. That's free as in freedom. 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Cure yourself with corona with Basque. I don't know but to some extent. Don't we just? Are we just sort of responsible as consumers the idea that you get upset that somebody's trying to sell two bottles of hand sanitizer for one hundred and twenty dollars like here? I was ignorant of this knowledge for the last week. And somehow somebody was it. Just outraged right. It is probably disturbed their their digestion. Regularity right probably lost some sleep. This person is really upset about the notion that somebody dared hundred twenty dollar price tag of two bottles hand sanitizer. I gotta laugh because I just I just saw something facebook's wonderful for just making you want to have the corona virus succeed because apparently throwing humanity. Somebody's shared a shared with an article. It was a serious article. I can't remember what state it was but I'm thinking was Washington or one of those hippy. Dippy states up there was like basically western Washington the police the Police Department They're offered to test people's Methamphetamine for corona virus. And I'm thinking. Is that a way to catch meth users source of income on man. If if you're if you're smoking math you've got more problems than the corona virus anyway and I mean just so. Let's say that somebody is price gouging right now. We don't know the prices. This funny thing people think it says something to do with what it costs to produce the item war. What things have cost in certain but we all know a bottle of water. That's in a thirty pack at the grocery store cost significantly less than it does at the ball game at a major league baseball game. Well it's supply and demand is what it is that's what that's what pricing is supply and demand and the supply of hand. Sanitizer has somehow bottomed out in the United States or around the world. Then the question you need to ask yourself is do. I wish to have the option of purchasing hand sanitizer or not Because you can't choose what price somebody put something at. You could only choose what price you buy it at. And that's the power of the consumer. So you know if you've got a threshold for hand sanitizer that's ten dollars to bottles that that'd be enough We'll find find the big deal for that and then by that and hopefully you'll get it but if you but you know it's completely somebody's right to sell hand sanitizer for one hundred twenty dollars bottles now. Let me give this example. We've all seen the bugs bunny cartoons. Bugs bunny is going through the desert you know. Look Water Water Right We've seen it all and you're looking for water in the desert. There's nobody around. Suddenly somebody POPs up over a Dune has has a nice big bottle of water for you but he wants to sell it for one hundred and fifty dollars. Now you're GONNA die the next two or three dunes or you're gonNA pay one hundred and fifty of these weird green pieces of paper for a bottle of water. Those that's your choice now. Should he have to sell it at the price? The grocery store hasn't been transported it out there. He took his time took his energy. He has the bottle. It's his I mean I suppose you could try to kill him for it. That's another option. But you might as well just pay one hundred fifty dollars for the bottle of water because otherwise you'll be dead and sanctimonious at that happened to me now with water but as in the Persian Gulf aboard the ship and I ran out of clean t shirts. And if you showed up on the bridge for watch and your t shirt was dirty you got chewed out and With a ship store was out of t shirts and my job was particularly dirty. One man I needed a t shirt and this jerk said t shirt I got a t shirt cost you fifty bucks fifty dollars and and I I handed over fifty bucks for this frugal loon. Bvd or whatever it was. And I didn't get in trouble on watch so you know it is what it is. It taught me the economic lesson. That's for sure right. I mean at some point in life we all have to be taught this particular lesson about Preparedness Petty Officer. Anderson's going to hell for that and this is. This is a a moment in time for people to think about preparedness. Because you know. Nobody owes you hand sanitizer. Nobody owes you a mask. Nobody owes you food. Nobody owes you anything or price on any of those things. Nobody does that to you. The fact that you were pushed out of a womb. Which by the way is the most ordinary thing a human can do right. It is not a human right to have hand sanitizer ladies and gentlemen. So that's it you got it. That's it the hand sanitizer is that persons to sell at whatever price they wished. You don't like the price move to the next auction. It's not your business or get some knowledge in realized that I don't need to go buy Purell hand sanitizer. There are other things out there alcohol alcohol bodily Jim beam worse. Things could happen with that. Yeah but But you talk about about the human right we have a human rights to to engage involuntary commerce with each other without you know we have a we have a right to America. We don't well apparently not here. Well here's here's the thing. The question is I think I think if you live in the People's Republic of China you have the right to free speech and keep and bear arms it just that their government there doesn't recognize that right and violates it so you know it's kind of like it'll go right that is not recognised isn't very useful. It's not but it's true. I suppose I mean like which were given by God. And that's the premise that most people operate under for whatever reason that God gave you the right and whether someone chooses to recognize it or not Oftentimes that requires a certain level of Struggle so it's like the king in England. The son of the king somehow has his crown taken by his uncle. Well histories just going to say. The uncle got the crown unless the sun comes and raises an army and kills the uncle and does those sorts of things. Well this goes back to the quote. Dag made from starship troopers last week. That violence enforce basically solve just about everything. It's it's what it's all about. It's like basically you know it's not. Who has the gold rules? It's who has the guns rules or the sword or whatever or the will and you know people don't want to acknowledge that yeah. I do believe that although I'm not of the of the opinion that guns or the thing the Second Amendment people hold on a second is the most important amendment. That's I don't do that however I'm of the opinion that guns or the indication of a free person right if you can have a gun then you're probably what is it say just gut. 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General's last announcement that drinking and driving fine if you ate a lot that day or if it's a route you take all the time sober moving. On the Japanese Space Agency has announced plans to put a school girl on the moon by two thousand. Fifteen is the onion news network. A is an hour from the US. Mariana islands it is marked with you and Alex Dave and you can call in and talk about whatever is on your mind. That's what we do here on. Free Talk Live. That's the whole point. That's why we get on. The air is to take your calls. The number eight five five four five zero three seven three three. It's eight fifty five four fifty free as in freedom and we spent most of the first hour talking about the corona virus. And that sort of thing so you know any any. Wrap up thoughts on that guys. Well you know I I I was just thinking to myself that you know you get three thousand people dead from the corona virus and everybody wants to wear a mask yet. You got thirty million people in the world with HIV. And it's hard to get people to wear rubbers perhaps perhaps perhaps That's a relevant point. Put your masks on people. One other thing too and this is my favorite theory about how it got started. There was a manager of the BIOLAB was arrested for selling the laboratory animals to local meat market and I think they missed an opportunity. They could have had it marketed as reese's pieces. Do they ever since monkeys there is just? I did get to meet a lady here who had been hiking in the Wuhan province and got bit by a monkey. I think that's some of the. That's one of the best little sentences I've heard in some time I was right. I can Wuhan and got bit by a monkey. Well I actually eight monkey. Once when I was in the Philippines somebody was giving me the give me some meat you know and as it was weird it tasted kind of like pork but So I've ever eaten monkey and that's why I came up with the racist pieces gang little bits of it got a story here this is. This doesn't really affect the folks in the Marianas but it does affect lots of people in the United States. So an Idaho lawmaker. Introduces a bill to repeal property taxes. Statewide one Idaho. Lawmaker wants to make property taxes. A thing of the past says whatever is the Guy Jason. Monks is the assistant majority leader in the State House and wants to completely eliminate property taxes but raise the state sales tax over five percent. Monk wants to do away with the entire thing so he introduced the house. Bill so I think the different taxes have sort of different levels of immorality for instance and I think property tax is an indication that you don't own your property the serfs in the time of the nobles were given a little piece of land that they could You know farm and do those sorts of things it was theirs in so much as they could keep the other serfs off that particular land should they wish but it wasn't so much as they could keep all the fruits of their labor because the noble demanded something called quit. Rents calling the American people taxers. They are precisely that. And that's because they. I mean if you try if you think you own your land try not paying the rent on that land to the I mean the property taxes to the government for a few years and see what your ownership of that property looks like because an owner can't have taken away here on the Maryalice. Some people are able to own property in a manner called fee simple now e simple isn't the level of a local title title is reserved for the noble and the government's but it is a higher form of ownership than the kind of titling that goes on in the United States where you have to pay a property tax so I just kind of wanted to throw it out. What do you guys think about? Sales TAX VERSUS PROPERTY TAX. Here IT'S ONE BILL. You don't have to pay but you know there's more there's a bigger bill when you go to the pay by the plastic crap at Walmart well in the constitution. The only taxes actually mentioned our duties in excises from you know yeah. It speaks to speaks to the taxes for the FEDS. This is generally going to be a local statewide tax. That kind of thing. I don't know what goes on and I would say that Still stocks is probably the most ethical tax. Write the ideas that they're building the roads right. That's what the guy who is show below the gas tax which I consider to be the most ethical. Here's why that's a sales tax right. It is a it is but a specific specific one. I'd like to point out that there is a recreational vehicle fuel that if you don't use the roads you can buy this fuel and not available at every gas station but some of them have it and if you or it's for farm vehicles so that kind of thing so you can buy that fuel and if you're not gonNA use their roads that you don't have to pay their tax on it now normally if. I'm filling up the LAWNMOWER. I'M NOT GONNA drive farther to get one gallon of gas. I'm willing to pay the tax for the The lawnmowers gas. But if I was running a tractor all day then I'd certainly want to get my diesel and not pay tax on it. Go ahead but yet. No sales tax could next the services provided with the revenue generation to the closest extent. Possible when you're engaging in commerce the government is most likely involved somehow whether it's the roads the law enforcement the fire protection it's generally relates to commerce in some way shape or form where owning land. What is the government doing for lent? Probably nothing right away. The assumption is that I got a piece of land right and I'm getting taxed one hundred dollars a year on the land while I put a house on the land and suddenly my tax goes two thousand dollars year. The government has done nothing and I actually had this happen. I'm building a House. And now the value the land is going up in like they have the audacity to come out when I was halfway through the project and then begin the taxation projects Process on a half built house. I'm like every moved into this thing. And you want to tax me on it. And they're like YEP get out and I ran them off is they. They just wanted to look through the well. They usually use property taxes for schools. I fake sure can use any tax. But what if you don't have children in? I mean that's if you're never going to send your kid to a government school. Yeah Yeah exactly. I mean Yeah my son has had on the property he's lived on taxes have been excised for other to send other people's kids to school in many cases. Kids that are driven to school. A much nicer vehicles that he gets driven around in and You know they're just taking money. That could have been used for his education and sending it to other people's kids that's just theft ladies and gentlemen. That's just all that is that is. The Teacher's Union has figured out how to muscle in theft. Well I've come to the conclusion at governments are nothing but a Mafia with good public relations. So they got flax. It's really our well. We know it's good public relations. I mean you know you look at it. It's like what is the government. It's it's a group of people that enforce their will on others. That is fundamentally what they do. Indeed and yes so. I mean I think this is interesting. This Idaho lawmaker choosing to get rid of property taxes. I hate property taxes. I don't know which ones at one point in my life. I would have said that it was a it was the most moral form of tax simply because then landowners and I don't know exactly what is somewhat efficient right a land value tax as some potential for economic perspective. But if you're looking at from ethical taxation and stuff perspective obviously can't justify. I think we can right. We live in a world where for whatever reason people accept the notion that taxes are. Okay I don't get it when whenever I hear. Somebody online arguing against taxation being theft. They always come up with a a some kind of pragmatic argument well without taxes. How would we build the roads? Well I didn't ask you that. Because they used to say when black people were slaves in the United States? How will we pick the cotton? Is that an acceptable statement. Ladies and gentlemen how we pick the cotton I mean if I wandered around today at every time I saw I wonder how we pick the cotton the people would think I was stupid and crazy. I believe in the dread Scott Decision Justice taty said well then robes ain't gonna wash themselves and so the a pragmatic response to taxation is theft is simply. It doesn't make any sense you know if it's a moral argument. The taxation is that you need to make a remorseful rebuttal. That somehow taxation isn't that I'd love to hear that ladies and gentlemen because I completely befuddled. I didn't even get the argument of the other side. So if you know the argument on the other side. Perhaps you've been Mona on a make. The argument on the other side. The number is eight five five four five zero three seven three three. It's eight fifty five four fifty free. You're on free talk. Live does your dog. 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They should abolish property taxes and replace the revenue with other sources an oil tax from the legacy fund so these lawmakers are getting the idea of getting rid of property tax. Now if you're sitting in Long Island right now and you're paying thirty thousand dollars a year in property tax. You can't imagine how the government can somehow function without property taxes but a lot of places property taxes are extraordinarily low and probably not worth the time and energy they put into You know putting these pieces of paper out mailing them all that other stuff Some people pay are paying paying right now in the United States for a house a property with a house on it the domicile on it less than three hundred dollars. So you know you got to wonder. Sometimes if it's even worth it so I guess my question is that. Although I'm of the opinion all taxes are theft except for gasoline taxes. I'll make the argument that those are voluntary because the gas station can choose whether or not to sell gas. So that's a decision and they can choose and the consumer can choose whether or not to buy gas will be used on the road now. Obviously if you go to the recreational vehicle pump and get fuel that is intended to not be used on the road and you pump it into your car right there. You're going to obviously violating some rule. But you know the roads have to get paid for in some manner and you're clearly using them. If you're using the vehicle you're pumping into the vehicle. So I mean I guess that that to me. That's the most effective way to do it. So gas tax. I'M GONNA call voluntary and that's the only tax. I'm willing to call that and it's only because you have the option of buying another fuel that isn't tax but property tax to me means that you're a vassal of the the Lord and you don't really own your property and I consider that a bad thing sales tax. Well how am I going to do you know? How are you going to not how you going to do? Business AND NOT COLLECT SALES TAX. So that's obviously a form of theft. Whatever but which one is the worst the best the most effective the easiest to implement these kind of things because we do taxes exist any thoughts on this Alex? Yeah so I would say the key to look at with. Everything is incentives. So let's take out the ethics. I don't think Davidge person cares about taxation being theft or any of that. They're interested in. How do I get the most bang for my buck and make society as wealthy and prosperous as possible that I think many people could get behind so the question is how do you do that? I would say that a government support organizations to give to expect to get the Best Bang for Your Buck. Well and the whole incentive thing. You know you've never gone to customs to pick up a BOX OF CIGARS. That was a birthday present for you. That your brother paid seventy five dollars for it. And then they charge you one hundred and sixty dollars tax you know. I mean there are certain taxes here that they call sin taxes which I really just I it. It Eric's me. It goes back to the whole Bloomberg blue banning big gulp kind of big brother crap into your life and and you know so. They have these different taxes on things like alcohol yet. We have more people getting becoming alcoholics every year then right if if the syntax is intended to prevent alcoholism on this particular island. It is failing. Yeah yeah or to raise his smoking or taxes on cigarettes people. Most people who want to smoke are gotTA smoke and the fact. The fact of the matter is is the same thing with marijuana or any other substance. Yeah once you tax device taxes don't work or they don't work well enough no. I'm saying that the vice taxes are loaded malarkey made up by a bunch of people who think they can be your nanny and they just don't understand that hey there's a supply demand same thing with the whole war on drugs. I mean I'm sorry. People want to get high in back in the day. You know. Thomas Edison was a full blown coke fiend but he was productive and didn't bother anybody but you know same thing with Sigmund. I don't think there was a problem. Yeah I mean it wasn't even the legal. Yeah I mean there were a whole bunch of people throughout history that like did drugs and because it wasn't like the cause celebre at the time they just said well he likes his nose candy in. You know Edgar Allan Poe's most likely an opium addict Yup so I have a confession. I quit smoking cigars. When Obama in two thousand nine implemented the tax. That was supposed to go to children's hospital or something like that. Yeah but this particular syntax on cigars stopped me from smoking. I began to taking chances and so I mean it was effective if the goal was to prevent some people from smoking. It was me. Because I know that money's fungible and every dollar the government takes for the general fund to help kids in Hospitals. It's also it takes money out of the general fund to buy guns to kill the by bombs that kill people kids in foreign country. Yeah Yeah So. I can't participate in that if I'd known how to grow my own tobacco or they had or whatever back then maybe I would've switched at the time. I just quit. So yeah push back a little bit. So we were taking out the ethics aside purely pragmatic pragmatism. So if the government has to raise a certain amount of revenue. Is it better that they raise it on people doing things so lower productivity or people who thinks that increase productivity tax business and people could argue that cocaine made Thomas Edison more productive? And how many of cocaine the Nikola. Tesla got his inspiration from God. 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Free Talk Live talked about the corona virus and biblical prophecy. Now we're talking about the morality of property tax sort of relative to the other taxes out there and I don't think any of us are gonNA come down on the side of taxes being moral but at the very least you can sort of talk about them being relative or efficient to these sorts of things speaking of efficiency. WanNa talk about a new crypto currency on the scene. Divvy D. I V. I. And they're bringing up their next generation wallet here in the near future and just a few taps. People spend earn store and exchange digital money in seconds. They make it easy for you since you'll be able to send money around the globe the only a swipe and instantly exchange between Divvy D. I V. I. Bitcoin and government currencies right there in the mobile APP and withdraw directly to your bank account. Their intention is to make it easy and they already have the easiest master notes out there. 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So if you build a skyscraper in this new hypothetical city or country Dow innocuous talks only the underlying land. So let me ask you this about that. So land is relative based on a few things location being one of them right and so every piece of land has a monopoly on its location. Yes it's you know. There's that gas station. That's there's four gas stations on a corner one of them's on the good corner and nobody can even tell why it's a good corner you know. But there's that good corner one. Or for instance a piece of property in downtown. Manhattan the same size property in upstate New Hampshire or onsite pan or wherever is Sarasota? Florida is all different. So you know. There's the view these sorts of things. How do you determine the value of the land? I don't think that's a huge problem. There's many different systems could do could be the price you paid. You can also have a system where US you determine the price yourself but the government has the right to buy it back or we could say the private owner of this private territory. That's an interesting way to has the right to buy. That's how you know how something much something's worth say. Okay you name the price and I'll either tax you on that price or buy it from you there. So there's a way around that what's on paper. Devalue is a dollar but then you give guy fifty thousand dollars without it being written down. It's what's what's the price ship things for example you ship things and they they have here in the we have customs separate from. Us Customs right right. So let's say you are shipping piece of equipment. I'm just saying a hypothetical not saying that. This actually happens wink winked. You're shipping a piece of equipment from Guam to Saipan pan cake. Customs wants to take a wet bite out of your on that and so basically a way around that is saying. Oh well this this drill bit or whatever. It is wherever piece of equipment it is. The doll volley the value of it is one dollar and so then in this system the government customs could say all right well by for one dollar that would get people to immediately research raising prices. Because they don't want to be able to. They sell their valuable thing for a dollar so this out with a car with a used cars. You know I mean but what about what I'm saying is is like I think I think when you when you do stuff like that it incentivizes dishonesty it. It incentivizes people like this. There's I think there's a certain reasonable amount one could could could tax but then when you take it on the value as I. It's it's like it's like one of these things where I think the more you tax people the more likely they are going to try to find ways of cheating on their taxes swam designing after a land value tax. What do you think is the The next thing to throw in. Because I think that there's some arguments for the key government actually owning the land take for instance. You had mentioned in the break. The Louisiana Purchase United States government bought Louisiana bought Alaska on a bunch of things. I mean how can an individual who has land those particular areas really claim that they own it? Yeah well I think the government could probably make a lot of money by selling its public lands to people. I think they certainly could. I mean that's that's one way of generating revenue and you know I. I don't see why the government should really own wise cell when you can lease. Well that's sort of what they do. Well my well the question again. It comes down to what is government is. If it's truly there to serve the people then how can we justify a lot of the government taking from us and it's kind of funny you bring up the Bible the Biblical prophecy thing? I one of my favorite books of Samuel Samuel is a great one and a lot of action adventure in there but like the people of Israel were clamoring for a king. Everybody else has one week. And then and then the Samuel comes up. Yeah you know what would happen if you have a king. He'll take your son's resigning his daughters for his Harem and take tax your land. He'll he'll he'll he'll basically do what governments do and you know and it's like wow. I mean in that case you know the Bible's actually kind of a libertarian. Book if you look at it. That Samuel A lot of Libertarians. And that. And that's why I say the government is all the government is doing is charging you protection money man. It's a mafia you know. Hey Nice Nice homestead you have. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. Yeah I agree with your point that the this is what the state is doing. I think it's an error to think that you could ever get rid of some sort of hierarchy. There's always going to be a land a rule center well. Well here's the thing though. I think if okay maybe we should just be more realistic about the way we teach our children about government in basically instead of the teachers teach them high and mighty high and mighty like you know it. Just say hey look. It's a necessary evil. And we just gotTa deal with it because this is how things happen. Like for example. I wouldn't go that far. That's unnecessary we need an army. I'M NOT GONNA fight against that idea. Well actually the constitution we have. We have a fulltime navy in our armies only supposed to be part-time right but we need a way of protect collective defense and I'm willing to go win in chip in my buckle five that freedom costs but it's from a song from team America but but the thing about about sitting there and acting like taxes are in some way moral i. I don't know I just it's I certainly don't think that it's moral But I think you know that taxation you're gonNA need generate revenue right. You can have a private society and you're going to still have a government. It's completely voluntary. You choose to move several built an island in the ocean with Donald Bunch of sand. Recharge it up. We have an island. We can say if you WANNA live here. You have to pay these fees to live here. Well that'd be more like a corporation which is you know like a cruise ship. Yeah against that. And then that system you need to find revenue sources have maximum effect with minimum. Cost the number eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Be Interested in your input on this particular conversation to eight fifty five four fifty free as in free. Talk Live if you have diabetes. And you're on Medicare Medicaid or have private insurance you may qualify for a new continuous glucose monitor. 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Let's switch from property for those of you that have keep in mind in the northern Mariana Islands. We don't have those Property Tax thinks we have freedom for the rest of the country who suffers. I do the tyranny of property tax might be beneficial a pros. Your local region switched to land value talks because the problem with property tax overland value is property taxes the improvement of land. Do you want which I hate to want? Empty Land or do you want land have ranches and houses and schools and other buildings so it's counter productive to tax people improving land. It just encourages hordic Chris a lower tax burden if somebody wants to have their land that's improved for like you know people can hike honored or do whatever they WANNA do. I don't think they should have to pay. Frankly anything for that. Because that's a problem there is that just means that somebody's GONNA sell it to somebody else and if you WANNA have a situation like the Nature Conservancy Right. The ducks unlimited. These organizations owned land and they're part of their whole stick is we don't have to pay property taxes on this because we're a not for profit. Well why should I as an individual be able to do that to like I'm just GonNa leave my land developed in those? Are My thoughts on that subject? Another questions like can you. Can you tax the air? Can you tax the ocean? I mean you know there's value like going out fishing or how about the the corridors which airliners fly if an airliner flies over my house right on my property tax should should yeah. There's a couple of questions I have about that. Government certainly taxes fishers and they certainly tax airlines so yeah but they tax them based on their property which they could claim that yours stops at a certain height above your house or wherever and a certain depth beneath it Some places you really have nothing below the ground you can put. You can put a foundation on it. You may be able to dig a basement but we've got the mineral rights. Yeah so what are the other sort of taxes your your thoughts on these as far as relative Yes I'd say income taxes probably the worst tax because it's a inefficient mess. I mean we've had my wife and I because we have our own business have had more than one hundred pages. My wife has spent more than forty hours a week in a month in a year. Excuse me forty hours in a year. That's a full week's worth work doing our income tax for one year. That's absolutely ridiculous and not even factoring week to week month to month accounting costs. Probably not I think it does I think she just all she puts receipts in an envelope and then did it all at once. Okay but yeah most right well. There are companies out there that have rooms full of people Buildings full of people accounting for stuff. So they can do their taxes so the government can get. It's money but that's a whole industry. Yeah it is. It's an environment. It's involuntary servitude and that's outlawed by the thirteenth amendment. And I think that income tax as it exists today in the United States is an important port to Yeah I totally agree. In addition you incentivize terrible. The more you work the more money you pay in most countries because they like progressive income taxes. Oh we're progressive right and also on this you success. Is that if you choose not to pay it? You just don't have to buy my business partner Ian One of the main host of the show. He hasn't paid income tax in years and the worst thing that happened to them was the. Irs cinema letter in Spanish trying to update their file on him. I mean just doesn't pay so some people choose not to pay and I mean every once in a while they grab a Wesley Snipes and shake him in front of you and say see. See what happens if you're black and you don't pay taxes like this guy in Lauren Hill. Do you know anything about Lauren. Hill as a young black man. I Never Wesley Snipes. That's as far as it goes. Got to listen anyway. Income tax is terrible. I think consumption tax are much better because it connects the activity right. That's where the government is in theory providing the legal services roads and everything else so the connect taxes with that makes sense where you could conceivably be earning income without using any roads. Any anything I mean for US Americans. We get Tok no matter where we live wouldn't even have to be in the country. We have never set foot in America. But if we're our parents who are Americans and we inherited the citizenship we owe taxes to the IRS but in the sales tax system. That's not possible right so I have a preference for sales toxin addition. I also think you can only spend so much money. Hopefully you're consumption below your income and thus there's a cap on on how much you can spend what about a VAT versus a sales tax. So sales tax happens at the in the United States. The sales tax happens at the end of the manufacturing process when all items for sale retail Situation and it is generally noted on the bill. So you by ninety nine cents a can of Coca Cola. Can you believe that I mean I remember buying cans of Coca Cola for twenty five cents a ninety nine cent Cana- Coca Cola and you pay a dollar nine or whatever for it be depending on what the level of taxation is there and you see the tax right at the register versus that which would say the price of this is presumably dollar nine minds you the fact that they can hide it means that they then go and check it out jack it up so you know you pay your dollar twenty for the can of coke and you never know how much of it was tax and so do that in Europe? Well here's another question about the tax debate that I always like people like Ron Paul mentioned it is. Maybe we shouldn't be spending this much money. Oh yes you know. Maybe we would need all these. Dang taxes if we didn't start wars that don't benefit us. Don't don't don't have programs to count like how many female chickens are in a whatever I mean. Th there's a whole bunch of crazy stuff. The government does that most of the debt. The United States had almost all the at the United States had up until the nineties. You could directly attributed to wars basically. It was where we're one more war too little going on in those other conflicts but then in the ninety s they started being some more things. And I'm going to presume it's Medicare which was never funded properly in the first place apple. Who are getting Medicare paid in Twenty five cents with started all the paying twenty five cents and receiving dollar and that's not a system that's going to work. What about interest paid to the Federal Reserve? Yeah well without debt you wouldn't have to Have those things. But it's certainly. That's getting tyler. To eight five five four five zero three seven three mostly our taxes. 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He was wearing some kind of a jacket. I wrote somebody else here. But it got smudged however that information later turned out to be false. The shooter if there is one remains at large needless to say our thoughts are with the victims here today. If there are any which we don't know yet the onion news network is now live. Call in talk about whatever's on your mind. Its mark with you. Alex and Dave coming to you live from the US. Mariana Islands. Where America's Day begins live free here in the US Maryam Islands You can call in talk about whatever you WanNa talk about but there was actually a story that came out in the recent past here locally and the police are reporting. Crime has dropped Dave. Yeah and that's a good thing right. It's awesome yeah it's awesome. The crimes dropped. Why did they say it happened? Well so Fred Paul who scattered probably beyond next week show Hope he shared with me and a couple articles One was from Radio New Zealand and the other was from the seipat tribute where apparently the general rate of crime has dropped in the last five years like property. Crime Lake. Burglaries is down fifty eight percent and they all attribute it to cope community policing drink-driving programming driving. Yeah that's actually said that and and basically just Department public safety just being on the job in the last five years They forgot to mention that handguns were legalized and you were home. Defense and all that severe court case. Yeah in the same newspaper actually the same newspaper news agencies because for some reason I get the New Zealand thing you know. They all predicted that the gun. Pakalitha was going to happen. In crime would skyrocket and all that stuff so I just thought it was kind of interesting that the same people that were basically saying that I was an evil person for demanding that my rights be and other people's rights to self defense be recognized are the same people taking credit for what I would basically say. Is Your lawsuit that determine. Yeah but the deterrence of criminals. I mean it's I. I wonder if I wonder if they ever thought that the concept that maybe the risk of acute lead poisoning might have made some people decide that robbing houses is not a good idea. It's it is amazing because these people always the gun grabbers. You know the the hand wringers worry. Warts are always expecting crime to just skyrocket because of guns and the best I can tell and I've looked into this issue quite a bit. The relationship between gun ownership and crime isn't that there's just not that much I mean there's places with high gun ownership in high crime. There's places with low gun gun ownership and low crime and then there's high gun ownership in low crime. It's all a bunch of different things. So but they're obsessed with this and I think the reason they're obsessed with it is is because it's taught in schools it just keeps on getting handed down from those right. Those up high. Do not want you to have a gun right now. I'm not saying that you know like gun. Ownership alone is the deciding factor that made the crime. Go down. I mean I think there's there's some other issues I'll bet you. We legalized marijuana for example. And that's period which I think really helped some criminals can't get up off the couch now. Yeah well when they when they really went after marijuana these islands the DA came by with their helicopters back in the nineties and like repelled into people's yards and like cut down. Marijuana plants and overnight literally overnight crystal meth became an issue like this happens and bringing back to the corona virus. I wonder how the fat knol shipments are doing right now. Probably probably not much going on but but but yeah so there's a police station that will test it for you if you're art. Yeah Yeah Yeah but a bite but yeah so the so so there's a numerous factors I just don't think that the brilliant accurate of the police chief and out very serious and drink driving checkpoints really did the trick. I tend not to think so. There's a variety of factors. But one of them seems to be gun ownership and given a legal gun ownership and the media graphic area. It's difficult to know what illegal gun ownership does because it's illegal we don't know how much of goes on and this kind of things but legal gun owners concealed carry permit holders are the. Safest Group of people. We've been able to find besides those in a coma right. They just don't commit crimes. As a matter of fact there ten times SAFER THAN COPS. Cops are one hundred times safer to the community then the regular season two as you read certain statements right like from from people who are like. I guess of my persuasion. You know they'll say like the gun. Grabber types will go. Oh He's a terrible person because he wants to kill people because he's got a gun you know it's like No I have a gun so that's a burglar does break into my house. I can defend myself. Oh you just want to kill people in yet. The same kind of people like this person and Colorado who's in their legislature said that if she got corona virus she would go to Trump rally and stays on everybody. L. Basically says killer so yes he got these people who literally will advocate bioterrorism. But I'm bad because I want to defend my home right. I think that I think there are people who have guns. Who Want To? Who's waiting for that opportunity to shoot somebody who comes in their house personally if a burglar comes in my house. There's nothing for him to take. It's worth me killing him to my mind now however if he threatens my family in any way shape or form Oh yeah he's checking out came over and that's you know that's all to me. A gun is to protect life and protect. You know just sort of the body. Well I think sometimes like you know. There's AN ARGUMENT ABOUT CASTLE DOCTRINE. Like for example. If a guy's on your front porch in you know he he he looks at you fund. You could shoot them in some states whereas like I think the law here is like if there's a guy in your house. He's got your TV in his hand and he's like back is to he's walking out and you shoot them. That's first degree murder. I kind of tend to agree with that. Also put a hole in your TV. I well okay now depending on what caliber us. If you have hollow points I give a three eighty. Maybe not but a three fifty seven. Yeah I mean so I listed are important. I wouldn't shoot somebody over my TV But I I think that a person should be able to in that circumstance. That's up to the property owner to make that decision that the burglar has by initiating force in stealing versus proper that they have ceased to have decision in that particular in their life. They have given up that opportunity and that then becomes the property owners decision. I would not do it because. Tv's cheap these days and shoot him he's going to drop the TV the TV's broken at this point to me you're just looking for an opportunity to shoot somebody some people. I'm sure are like that but I think most most people even the psychotic types don't really feel like you know paying for a lawyer in going to court. I think I think some people they may be like. I can't wait till the Zombie. Apocalypse happens are the same people that will go. I can't wait to shoot somebody so I can pay for a lawyer and go on trial for my life and be financially ruined. There's been a few instances where people kill somebody in their house that those people are incarcerated. And it's always one of these marginal states and it's it's scary stuff. Well I think there's a I was reading about this the other day and they made a compelling argument that how do you prevent someone from murdering and saying it was defense? So have you have a strong castle doctrine state? It's pretty easy to say. Oh this person throwing me in my own home I in my house and say Hey Alex. Let's let's have a couple of drinks problems. I want to bury the hatchet in your skull. And and why don't you come over? We'll have a couple of drinks. You come in and shoot she repair you know I rifle whatever and then call the law and like I look. I got up from a NAP. A Clinton door. He was right there Bam Bam. Oh He's gone Look he's black. So yeah I mean I would think that at that point now in my case I shouldn't be using the first person because I am a convicted killer and it's going to be very bad news for me if I ended up with a dead. I actually I did say hatchet. 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And they do this really cool thing where they have rockets on the side of the big cargo plane and they go your own and like it gets like a couple thousand feet of altitude like really quick you know and then they cut off anyway. So it's basically a rocket engine okay and and this this this guy like said. I know what I'm GONNA do. I'm GonNa you know be daredevil. He gets he gets one of these like cargo plane rocket packs and he straps it on like the roof of his Chevy. No and and he finds like this long long stretch of Desert Road. And he he he gets in there and he's driving her gets in the second gear gets into third gear and then like ignites and apparently what they found afterwards his his teeth and finger bones like like impacted into the dashboard and it looked like an airplane crash apparently and they estimated that somewhere around three hundred seventy five miles an hour he must have lost consciousness. The house burned off the wheels. The rubber disintegrate and what happened was like apparently the road veered off to the right and like there was a mountain. You're like a hill and basically they. They saw where the streets are rubber. Like left the road and they figure that guy like must have he was airborne for some two thousand and may must've gotten out to at least one hundred feet and he just you know and as. I said they thought it was a plane wreckage it was. It was a car and my other favorite Darwin Award. Was this guy who wanted to go into the maneuver. Business Selling Manure for fertilizer and the Health Department came and said you can't do that. You GotTA GET RID OF THIS. So to dispose of it. He he soaked it in diesel and the mushroom cloud was visible from like ten miles away. Blew up you know. I guess the the local university seismometers went off and and and they. They never saw him again. The door his house the the methane can build up in barns departments explode. Yes yes or the one. Where like in Egypt? There was like eight brothers who tried who got killed rescuing a chicken where you from so. I think it was in Cairo or someplace this. This chicken fell down a well and they wanted to rescue it. So the one brother. You is that in quotes. They tried to rescue this chicken. So the one guy in none of them could swim so the first guy goes in to rescue the chicken drowns so the second brother goes in to try to save his brother and literally a daisy chain of death and then at the end of the chicken pitch got well by itself coming over and let me add chicken survives and then there was i. There was EZ's Polish brothers. The joke no no no. I got every respect for the Polish people but this is important and apparently these two guys were having like one of these. You know like you know. Who's the bigger man cost? You cost you contest bigger man contests with a chainsaw and a lot of vodka And you know the First Guy. The first Guy Sawed his leg off and then the other guy you know one optum by chopping his own head off well. The girl girlfriends were impressed and therapy anyways. Some crazy stuff that brings me to the story from the Daily Star that's code UK marauding monkeys takeover government office block and force officials to flee trips of monkeys have raided the offices of India's. Top Cabinet Ministers Ministers. Take over leaving ministers too scared to make eye contact with the animals. Those things are mean they are. They are they are. The Indian. Government IS WAGING WAR. And a trooper berating monkeys. Who have taken over the offices of top officials by the way we still have a India. Can't not have bananas and rat poison. If or I don't know just a Air Rifle Anyway Pun Jab and Civil Secretariat headquarters in the northern India. Which is home to cabinet ministers and bureaucrats has been overrun by opportunist macaques? Who are said to climb into offices via balconies these are smart leases the smartest monkeys not apes meanwhile security guards Staged onsite say they were being distracted from their work by the red faced pests but are unable to shoo them away while at their stations until a solution is found. They reportedly making do with slingshots to protect themselves. Those slingshots kill a man. If you take a ball bearing the you know the right shot in these. This is rocket right wrist. Rocket you know. They'll they'll take care of whatever's Alia Let's see Until the JABEEN Harani Civil Secretary. Warehouses of the offices of chiefs ministers opposed states. The cabinet ministers and offices the top bureaucrats has literally been taken over by monkeys despite attempts to rid the headquarters of the menace. The paper reports. The situation has become so bad. Guards have to avoid eye contact or run away to avoid provoking them. Show him your badge. Show your back. Tell them you're a super important person because your work you're a police officer wonder how. Charlton Heston would have dealt with this situation. The other day one monkey cut a hold of my jacket from behind did not turn and kept moving. The monkey went away. The monkeys are literally trying to steal the lunch money or these politicians. I gotTA support this. An awesome office official. Excuse me from the Jabs Administration Department told the Indian Express Let's see their officers so desperate. They're using homemade slingshots from fallen tree branches. We had offered that. We can provide them with professional slingshots. The officials said spokesman is now calling the government to employ fulltime monkey catchers citing concerns over. The safety of the using slingshots. Break Widow hilarious. Love this so much fun. You're sure this is not satire. What are we gonNA do about these scofflaw monkeys ladies and gentlemen but you hear ever deigned Cook talk about you. 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Shuhei monkeys all right so quite literally security is saying. It's not our job to secure the building. What if the monkeys are secretly being mind controlled by terrorists Danny monkeys? Yeah that's all you do. India and Pakistan. How could they have all the Pakistani government could have like a train? Those monkeys why this. Here's my first question. It's silicon macaques are endangered These are a prolific monkey. And you know I mean my thing would be all right. Whoever wants a troop of macaques that Apparently doesn't like cops. Government officials can come get them. You have one week. And then we start laying out the rat poison laced bananas and then problem solved. You just need Some garbage cans to clean up after that and I'm sure there was an animal market in a nearby country loves to have. Actually it doesn't taste that bad. We are asked to you and slingshot. But what if the shop hits people? Okay so the security guards like our aim sucks. We're bad at our job. The best solution is monkey. Catchers the government should engage monkey catcher. Well they should just beware of their backstop. You know basic safety gun safety Never shoot anything. Unless you're you're so if you've got these Indian security guards shooting each other. They're missing a monkey and everytime he comes down to harass somebody it gets it gets a BB shot in the head and look out. The monkeys will stop coming down and disappear. It just picturing arrange day at the Indian Security Forces. Were they go? Everybody's got slingshots. That'd be hilarious however Local reports say traditional monkey management methods have so far failed and the monkey population is getting out of control. I love the story projectiles. I don't know maybe rocks I if you round shot ball bearings or the risks rocket. You'RE GONNA kill a monkey. Yeah last year the Pundit Loft really angry monkey groups will take care of angry last year the Punjab government road desperation to the someplace Chiesa of conservator of forests and wildlife warden appealing to permanent wildlife. Rescue staff to be staged the offices during working hours as part of the action. This was last year as part of the Action Plan. Human WHAT IS THIS PLAN? Human Languor monkey mimics. Oh my God. This is so great. We're brought into scare the smaller macaques away but they soon became wise to the tactics. Resource shorted resourcing. Shortages have been made the fulltime the plan fulltime monkey police impossible the head of the nearby whatever forest and wildlife said. Dr Danielle told the Indian Express. We have a team of about a dozen and we have forty locations in the city to cover. There's just too many macaques for the fake monkey people to cover. Once a complaint is made the team members reached the spot within thirty minutes. It's practically not possible to station two members at one place. He Blames Food Litter in the office through attracting the past. That people weren't doing good enough. I guess there for the garbage trade row by reminds me of like this virtual assets you get an meanwhile the Monkey Tamers said. They will work fulltime at the government offices. Rehome them humanely. If they're employed full time the what do we need him. Aim for these. Things are running around biting people monkey teamer gaffer a contractor from the wildlife. Rescue teams said that if they want to retain us they will have to pay. They have deployed hundreds of personnel. For security we cannot Why can they not hire experts to Shuwei monkeys thousands of out of Control Rhesus Macaques? Monkeys are said to live around the government buildings in India including the presidential palace in the capital. New Delhi. God. This is so awesome. So there you go. The Indian officials have to run away from the monkeys. I think I don't know where Ted nugent. Where can we get some macaques in Washington? Dc have some maybe they'll drain the swamp. They are the swamp. Yeah I don't know got another one here. Director of taxpayer funded museum in United States. Says I hope every single one of you pieces of that votes Republican today Dies Director of Texas Museum partially funded by taxpayer. Dollars appears to be an how water over a message. She posted on facebook Super Tuesday. I don't know if this is true. Either but I man I love it. I hope every single one of you. Pieces of votes Republicans Day dies executive director now. Shouldn't she have the freedom of speech to say you know the express her? I say the feelings mutual well that brings up a article I brought in last week. We didn't get to was You know about secession movements in the country I mean why can't we pulled up there? I mean that is one of the things that people are forced to live in a country. Where they they may not have voted for the person who's in charge of Mike. This story here is a blue state. Blue Spark secession movements nationwide and the gist of it is. It shows the the map from the latest election showing where the Democrats and Republicans live in. It's actually I mean there. Are these little archipelagos of islands filled with like a lot of liberal left leaning people who want open borders and gun control being surrounded by these big vast areas of you know what I called normal people and right so what you basically have is a situation where the The leftist Americans live along the West Coast and in the Northeast and New England. Yeah and then. You've got some other counties where people voted Democrat because it's basically University area probably know? It's usually Latinos. Right they tend. They used to be Republican voters at least in Texas and an Era Zona but that stopped with nine eleven more. I got a good friend and lives in Virginia Beach. And they he was saying that in his part of the state North Carolina's offering to take those counties and the other part of the state West. Virginia's talking about taking those counties a lot of people in Oregon one of Join Idaho and I've really been thinking for the longest time that you know. Maybe we just need to have a divorce. Mr America is like an old couple. That's been together way too long. The kids have gone to college and they just can't stand each other and probably the best they do before they kill each other is just get a divorce right and one has to wonder you know so you have a county that sitting right there on the border of North Carolina and Virginia. Why should they be able to vote two thirds of the people in the county? Say Yeah we'd like to go to North Carolina. And why shouldn't they be able to just change the map that way? Well why does it better? Because it's not like it's GonNa change the demographics of the House that much. I mean or the Senate. 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That goes bob white noise about it yet so awesome and he got elected. Sheriff Ida voted for his dog to a lot of campaigning. Running around going. I've sold So there's that Sheriff Darren wake in Albuquerque unbelievably unbelievably. There's also oh by the way sheriff during wait in Albuquerque is from suffering New York which is about half aptly named anyway Another carpet bagger. But there's a daring wait in Missouri. Too I just see but This this Darren White in Albuquerque. Since he won't talk to me on his radio program I talk about him on your radio program. There's a couple of Controversies he had His wife had crashed her car. A few years. Back and She was dealing with You Know Magin if you crash your car and the ambulance shows up and there's a copper to there and they're probably wondering what what caused you crash your car are you are you? Are you under the influence of anything? Mrs Sheriff Darren White of Albuquerque New Mexico and so they were beginning that process and then then applies a An official city vehicle with it's lights going Upon the scene barges in amongst the other cops I mean and that's another thing if you and I Tried to enter into the investigation that was going on and some other police officers where a woman had crashed her car. What do you think might happen to us? Yeah you're going to be summarily expelled from that group right. That didn't happen to sheriff during white when he was The coming upon. Here's his wife's accident here And and so Sheriff White Dealt with the officials at hand and the wife was Not Tested for anything on the on the scene She wasn't incapacitated from the crash She had just crashed her car. She wasn't injured so she couldn't be subjected to testing but sheriff during White Excused her took her away from the scene of the accident Within you know like basically immediately within a half hour of of accident he has taken away. Yeah Yeah even though there was there were professionals on the scene during shift during White's not a medical professional and there happened to be an ambulance crew there with several medical professionals and and that's what they were claiming it happened was it was a medical event so instead of being transported in the ambulance to the hospital The Sheriff Darren White said all. We don't need your professional your medical professionals in your ambulance Even though that's the job you're here to do you're trained to do it better than I am. I'll just take my own wife to the hospital. And so he took took his wife to the hospital and I believe Didn't go to the emergency room. I think they win. Were seen by private physician and then later supplied documentation from what I deduced to be some various reading of done to be a private doctor saying that. No Sheriff Mrs Sheriff Darren White of Albuquerque. New Mexico was not under the influence of anything. We did our private testing and such. We didn't really need your government testing In this car crash We did our private testing and here are the results and she was not under the influence of anything. It's it's hard to trust that particular test when she special treatment. Why would you not trust that mark? I don't know but I certainly don't do you. Oh okay go anywhere and Another thing that Sheriff right there. There was as a lawyer Turned up in Albuquerque. Awhile back Mary on H. A. N. She had Apparently either committed suicide or accidentally killed herself. She was found sitting in her parked car inside of her garage. With the motor running You know and and just so happened to be that her the way she made. Her living was suing. Albuquerque Police Department and other law enforcement in Albuquerque market. That's all she made her living then. She mysterious I mean she. I guess she just decided she didn't WanNa live anymore. I don't know what she was in her mid to the late fifty s or whatever and successfully suing the cops all the time and then she just decided to kill herself or or Maybe she went out in the garage and had a glass of wine and decided to listen to the tunes on radio and started up. Started up the car to keep the tuning in it. Yeah yeah so I think it's You know well David's watchdog for this kind of stuff and he He comes up with some really great stories. I want you to get a chance to David here to finish your or at least get the gist of the story. As far as the get up on that might place. Well this is. This is something that I've been following for some years now and The article starts out. It's going to read. The first paragraph is every four years. America doesn't just elect a new president. They get reminded about how America's politically divided. We are all familiar with those maps of the United States divided by county with large swath of red counties peppered with smaller specs of blue counties. Those blue counties tend to turn I tend to be urban with higher concentrations of populations even deep blue states have large land areas with mostly conservative voters in them often. Their interests are completely ignored. I'm looking at a map here of Of the United States. And you know if you look at the red versus blue areas and there's some pink and some light blow but if you look at sort of just cut it red versus blue. The country is mostly read but those red areas are mostly cows. Well actually it's like fifty percent of the population lives in the red areas and the other fifty percent lives in the blue areas. What I think is kind of interesting is where the guns. Hey the red guys got the guns an grow the food and it's kind of like we were talking about taxation and fairness will like for example. If I'm if I'm a rancher in Bakersfield California and I I'm not really in on the agenda is that the people in Los Angeles are into but I'm still paying taxes to to push like you know things like drag Queen Story Hour at the Public Library and and and you know it's just kind of kind of funny that you're seeing a lot of people being left behind when it comes to like people talk about this whole oh electoral college. It's not fair because it screws people out of the out of the out of the popular vote but you know part of the reason why our Constitution was written. That way is because they took an idea from the Indians which the the tyranny of the fifty one percent. It's a real thing we can't have that indeed and I think the best solution for it. It's something we've talked about. Here is basically counties. 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But you have to leave it. Let's see the world together in the hour ahead. It's travel with Rick Steves. Exceptionally high tides in the Venice Lagoon caused near record flooding in November of Two Thousand Nineteen. And just a bit. We'll check in with Italy cultural expert Fred Plotkin and with a resident who had to clean up after the Aqua Alta flooded. The ground floor of her home. They'll share some interesting perspectives with us on. Why the high waters in Venice are getting more and more serious and travel writer recanting and tells us about one of the toughest hikes up his life when he crossed the historic cocoon trail Papua New Guinea. Let's start with the Mardi Gras and Carnival celebrations going on in Basque country. The costumes and street parties vary from town to town. It's one of the oldest cultures in Europe. The Basques include some interesting public festivities in the days leading up to the fasting period of lamp. Traditions sometimes go back further than anyone can remember for a peek at how they do carnival Basque country. We're joined by Claire No yet. She's from aspirin in the French Basque country and a Gustin Theresa lives in San Sebastian on the Spanish side of the border. Welcome Claire and Agustin. Thank you very much so first of all. You're both from best country. Claire who are the Basques just very briefly and the basket is one of the oldest civilization in Europe and we are divided on those two parts. No-one in friends in another Barton Spain in August in the language of Basque people. Yes we speak a bus language which we call US skater. Who Scatter yes. I WanNA talk about carnival. Carnival basically is the blowout before lint. That leads up to Holy Week and Easter. It goes way back to even pre Christian Times on trying to get through the winter and there's hope for resurrection for new crops in the fields for the end of the hunger time and then darkest depths of winter. I think the meat was going to go bad. And they had to eat it. All or something or carnival. Carney is the word meat. And that led up to forty days of Denial lent and Easter. So we know Mardi Gras in New Orleans. That's basically fat Tuesday in French. And IT'S CARNIVAL TIME RIGHT. Tell me about carnival. 'cause I it's a big deal in Basque country Augustine what is Carnival in your perspective as a person. In Basque country we have two ways of celebrating carnival the More more than Christian celebrations are more popular on the Spanish side on the more traditional Pagan celebrations that you can find on the in the past country of French. The difference is the recent history. I mean these pagan celebrations were banned by the dictator Franco for thirty five years He bundy use of the language and all kind of celebrations related to pants or minis and this was previously lost in that time. So let me get this straight. You've got Basque culture. Which is a lot of ways? The same in France and in Spain but carnival is a mix of Christian and pagan traditions. And when you see these crazy creatures jumping up and down in Europe in many cultures it's pre Christian and it's a way to integrate the the indigenous religion in ancient times with the Christian. The new religion and Franco was allied very carefully with the Catholic Church in Spain. He didn't want any pagan influence in the Spanish Basque country so he said this is a Christian festival none of that Pagan stuff but in France they were more free to have let loose with the pagan craziness. Correct correct franken himself. The highest representation of the Catholic Church and turn the country into a religious state Now clear I would imagine in France. Then you have some pretty wild costumes when people dress up during carnival especially where the Pagans go crazy in the French side of the border. What is the carnival? Can you just were radio but paint a picture for US? Is it look like for me? It's colorful with many natural things so we will have flowers leaves and we will have Ribbons we will have a chilling chuck which is a small bells everywhere. So you have to hear the carnival and you have to say it eats an explosion. Okay of joy. It's just a moment where you go out from the last year and everything that went wrong and you wish something really good for the next one so you just have to explore yourself and just let me go go out with your animal part of you let your animal free inside and we all have this side in so we have just. This is the perfect moment just to and then you start again so you dress up. There's music there's staying up all night. What is going on in different places? You've got different carnivals into French. Part of the Basque country got three provinces for example Nepali. Which is really famous. You've got cash Caltech so those people that are going from house to house every weekend before carnival low even after they go to each house. They get to know the neighborhood so it's also kind of ritual and they'll go to every house they sing. They play music they dance. They sure several cups of wine. And then it's a big party the I'll be tired but it's really nice. This is so interesting because I've been going to Basque country for a long time and I have to be honest. I feel there's more character and enthusiasm in Spain because French banks server French to me they're more controlled by Peres. But here on Carnival. Hewlett that ask animal that Augustine when you hear clear talking about that from the Spanish Basque side on carnival. Do you relate to have an animal? You're GonNa let loose all. Fortunately now we have a just a couple of little towns in the north of Navarra. We are having the celebration in which These men are carrying big bells that are bouncing and making big noise. Big like a cow bells. Yes cultures a lot of this You know animal caretaking in the mountain is the purpose of it is to wake the nature awake. The youth springtimes communists very much related to the end of winter welcoming the new year and also awaken in the nature speakers coming in the blossom. So he's very much related to that. So that's something you can see in two different towns in the north of Pamplona Navarre and also a couple of towns in the area outside San Sebastian. When I think of eastern Spain anyways I think of processions solemn processions like in savvy and so on someone Santa Holy Week Carnival feels a little more distant apart. It is ended in. Holy Week is more sacred. Yes especially in the spiny side you're gonNA see. Is the parade liking the town of Tolosa than most popular one? People go from all areas to go and see. These parades our guest from Basque country are August Teresa from San Sebastian Spain and Claire. Loya from Hesperian a little town outside zone in the southwest corner of France. They're sharing. What makes the days leading up to Ash? Wednesday special and best country and what their traditions include on both sides of the border. So clear I got this image of being in the middle of all this festivity and chaos and music and happy people helped me just better understand it. First of all people are dressed up like animals. What kind of animals would they be? So the main animal a bear okay. So the bear is opening the spring so the bear will be around. He will care the children and then you've got many people with long hats horns flowers mirrors and ribbons everywhere to mirrors on their head yet and ahead in the hot long hats yellowing. Even these these. What color pointed head with many flowers? Okay you need to represent nature. And then they hire a Cornucopia of life. That's right okay. And we have also a skirt with them. A- sheep wool horns and then also a natural shoes at whatever you find in nature you do it like trees or whatever you find. These are two little ferry Elvis and so on coming out of the woods and stirring up all the energy of people. What about the music? What kind of music? We've got a lot of music really PECI and a lot of songs linked to Legendary people are the witches. Or whatever would this be kind of just noisy ringing bells hitting drums or is it actually melodic? We've got to we've got the drums and the bells just to make a lot of noise to wake up everybody and then we've got our son. We sing in the country so we have a songs with all the people getting together. It must be a time when the community feels like. It's one big family and that's part of the beauty. It's part of ritual to be together and have fun. This is travel with Rick Steves. We're talking about carnival in French. Basque country and Spanish Basque country are guides are clear league and a Gustin. Sarasota sounds like a fun time to come to Basque country. What should I know about tourism about travel clarify? I'm coming to best country on the French side. Where will I go is there? There's a different Energy in small towns in the big cities I love some lose and I just stay there and have a good time. Or what do you recommend subhuman carnival time? I will reconsider on the loose just in front of the bay. You've got siebu. And they have the shocking gala. Which is the witch night and you see those people with the bells and it's really a popular thing. I will go to do. So which night is the witch night the Friday night the Friday night? Okay and Augustine if you're coming to best country in Spain how would you best enjoy during I would suggest to stay in Big CD and then move for today. Or maybe thi this to these ton of Tolosa Tolosa Tolosa L. O. S. A. Tolosa to loosen front obvious. Punish TO LOSE WOULD BE TO LHASA. And actually we call carnival in or they're static mysteriously Tuesday. Yes there's celebrations related. Tuesday Mardi Gras just Tuesday fat or skinny we. We have fought Thursday thin Friday. But you're GONNA have a great time on that weekend and just to cap this beautiful discussion. I'd love both of you to share with me. Your favorite sort of childhood memory of carnival in your corner of Basque country. Clear if you think back. Just what's one memory that you just go? Wow that was a crazy. Time TO WEAN DEMIDOV CARNIVAL. Because for me. Many people they go in to see Carnival. But you have to leave it so you are in the middle. You'll be lost to get lost and to see how those people looking with colors and animals and to be with them and to just disturbing you food and like and you mean in the middle of it literally like there's crazy decorated people around you and figuratively where you're letting yourself free to be overcome by. Yes so it's the end. Then you found again your parents. They're like oh it was great. Took Nice Augustine. What's your as Being born and raised in a city like San Sebastian and having a carnival celebrations as. You'll find anywhere else. Go into small towns in the Basque country France. That was an experience. Seeing all these people were stop in the traditional outfits an also representing these wild animals. That was something when I was a child to see these people carrying the cowbells and making that huge noise. When you're a kid that's kind of a frightening and that is still even today. We can experience that. You're going to go to send Sebastian if you happen to be there during carnival you can head on up to two. Lhasa on the Spanish side but if it happens that you were there before that their celebrations are starting to meet late. January fill the week of carnival in the Basque Country of France. So you just need to go and check. Oh to France for the party every weekend the GonNa have these celebrations that Chris. Plante a very good lesson. Agustin Theresa Clare Log. Thank you very much and happy carnival. Thank you very much animal out. Eight seven seven three seven four to five. That's her phone number radio. At Rick Steves DOT COM is the email address will head to the other side of the World Papa New Guinea and a little bit. But next let's look at why the flooding episodes are getting more frequent and more serious in. Venice. It's travel with Rick. Steves alter the high tides Venice soaked. The city in November two thousand nineteen was the deepest flooding in fifty years. The author of Italy for the gourmet traveller has examined these issues that venison space for years. That's Fred Plotkin and Stacey Caponi is resident of Venice. She's an artist and she was there and her home was flooded and she was living the experience and she joins us also as we learn more about the challenge events. The high water the alcohol. Fred thanks for being here and Stacey thanks for being here also thank you. Thanks for having me no Fred. You wrote your thesis at the University was on the what was called the death. Venice tell us why we have the Aqua Alta and what's the back story of this flooding Venice? Well historically there were always tides full moon and so on and the city throughout its history had periodic flooding. But nothing like what we've seen in recent times. The problem really became aggravated the way. So many things did with the rise of fascism in the nineteen twenties with Cellini. Decided that he would widen the three natural inlets of the lagoon understand that the lagoon separates Venice in the north from the Adriatic Sea in the south. The three inlets recalled Lido Mullah Moco and killed Joh- and by widening them. It allowed more water to come into the lagoon. More salt water. He did that because he put stupidly oil refineries in the mainland town of Marghera. So the oil tankers would go out of the lagoon into the Adriatic. And ever since we've had this problem and to that that the pollution that was result of the oil refineries plus agricultural run off meant that the foundations the fundamentals of the city of Venice. Were eaten away. So by the Nineteen Seventies. Venice was sinking. Because of all of this rot. Long Story Short. The city was actually supported and made strong great sinks ever so slightly. Now we have a new problem. Climate change has led to melting to hire waters bigger storms so that most of the recent disastrous floods in Venice have been in the first decade in the Second Decade of the twenty first century including three horrible days in November. Two Thousand Nineteen. Well the high water really is a It's a perfect storm of of different variables. You've got a wind. You've got a high tide with full moon you've got changes caused by the development of the region and we've got Venezia's inability to to do anything about it. It's it's sort of helpless situation. Isn't it Stacey? No I was just going to say your description is a perfect storm. What we had this last November two thousand and nineteen and it was more like seven days of the waters because with the four tied that you have in and out you know every so many hours places like my home were filling up with water. You have to wait for the tide to recede before you can open your water door to allow it to escape which just comes back in when people go traipsing by your house or pumps go on. But the borough wins and the shock wins and the rain and the full moon everything combined perfectly to allow this one week of pressure. It's part of daily life to live with the title situation in a place like this. We're used to but not to have it remain so long. Describe what it's like Stacey because as a tourist I've been there in you know it's kind of we take photographs of it and they've got the elevated walkways and some people pulling their hip boots and it's it's something to it's kind of exciting but you're living there and you've got the reality of of mold and bacteria in humidity problems with your electricity. What's it like to live in Venice after a big flood? I think that I mean obviously I'm not the nation as we all know. I've adopted the city as as my home. I've chosen to live in this beautiful delicate place that to me Holds so much magic to the high waters are part of my conscious. Decisions live here. I don't WanNa complain about them too. Because it's a part of the choice that has been made and the Venetians have that same sort of confident energy. You're just used to cleaning up after the high waters living here. The thing that was most frustrating was to be watching the news and see all the nations politicians and their posse having a fashion show in San Marco with their hip waders. On as opposed to you know sending out more crews to help local people and business owners clean up the mess so that was actually a case where you've got your city leaders in your politicians sort of just frolicking in the spectacle of the flood while residents. I mean there's what's just sixty thousand people still living in Venice. You guys are wondering. How are we going to deal with this? Stacey you mentioned a how maddening it is that tourists. Just wander into your house and take photos of while you're dealing with this real serious problem. That definitely makes me lose my patients. So when you're mucking out the water that's you know come up to the third step of your entrance and you know part of my art studio's downstairs so it's just frustrating. Not Anything on the floor but with being almost at the two meter market definitely came in to damage. My biggest problem is the the. Drywall gotTA have down there. That all has to be taken out and the electricity doesn't work anymore so while you're busy mucking out on day four and somebody just sort of comes in right behind you at your open door and taking food graph of your home. That's just shocking. This is travel with Rick. Steves talking with Stacy Caponi. Who's an artist in Venice? Living through the floods. And we're talking with Fred Popkin. Who's a scholar and a lover of all things Italian and he's written a book called Italy for the Gourmet traveller and Fred. I know when you were a student that was your theme was studying the the whole phenomenon of the fled when we think of the flood and we were talking about this perfect storm of things that contribute to this problem. You've got this issue of cruise ships dredging bigger canals. You've got the causeway that was built in in the middle of the eighteen hundreds that stop the circulation. I know when they made the 'cause we have to Moan Machel in France that caused things to silt up and they took the causeway away. So there'd be a better flow. What are some of these factors and then. What is the hope of the Moses Project? That's been so much promise and so much investment but so much corruption so much disappointment all kinds of issues here and I can put them concisely. The Austrians Occupied Venice for much of the nineteenth century. They built the railway bridge in eighteen. Forty six connected the mainland. The Intra story called the Old City of Venice. That for many people was the beginning of the end. They destroyed a neighborhood to build the Santa Lucia train station and ineffective made Venice dependent on the mainland. Also that breached did stop the waters in certain ways and it is a source of real resentment. Verity riddle whole opera about it. Attila about Attila. The Hun the Austrians Being Attila coming in sacking Venice and the Venetian Roman general. Says of right to Lavar so rescue Italian? May you can have the universe. Let Italy be mine. So that was the beginning and then with Cellini adding all of the industry and widening the three inlets then pollution after World War Two with industrial buildup then corruption in Italian business and government November fourth nineteen sixty six was the highest flood in the history recorded history of Venice. It was seventy six inches to give you context November Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen seventy four inches in other words the second highest recorded history and there were two more in the days that followed this is high above the regular Seila. Yes yes so to tell you about the mosaic in Italian Mo. Ac- means Moses. We think of Moses Holding back the sea but it stands for modal low. Mo Spedding in tally the S. electromechanical. In other words these mechanical gate sitters supposed to open and shut that were to be installed in the Lido. Mela Molko and killed Jay inlets. They did not start on that until two thousand than three and they are almost done but they're not really working there was I can't go into all the government corruption and so on and payments and bribes but the problem is basically that for fifteen years now. This flooding has continued. The salt pollution has continued. It's not the venison sinking so much. It's that the waters are rising Have cruise ships come in displacing when you have a six thousand passenger ship? It seems it's actually three thousand just placing huge amounts of water onto the Piazza San Marco. Just by ship. It has nothing to do with the high tides. Then what you're doing is allowing van is to be destroyed. That's why people are angry but the commercial interests want what's called the more. The Fujian other words eaten run tourism of people who land at the ship terminal. Do a little shopping leave money and then leave Venice. So that affects hotelkeepers. It's in the long term terrible for the economy of Venice and a few people were making a lot of money in the short term. But they're destroying the city. What is the feeling among the nation's Stacey about trying to get money in certain areas like cruise ships and so on is really threatening the very existence of life for people? Who Live there. Well I mean I guess I can only speak for the people that I I know right so I tend to know the people who are anti cruise ships. Not An anti. I don't think you should travel by cruise ship person. In general I just think that the laws affecting the ship industry around the world needs to be looked at for. It's not just Venice. That is suffering under the stress of this type of tourism as we all know the Venetians in general are rather divided. It depends on where their family's income comes from. Venice gets the extreme case. People just stampede in. They don't eat in a for dinner. They don't sleep in a hotel. They just stampede in congest everything you eat some fast food take some photographs and then go back to their shit so I can see some people thinking. This is not my idea of a nice part of our industry. We're looking beneath the surface of Venice to examine why the city is flooding more often end with greater impact. We're joined by ITALOPHILE. Fred Plotkin. He writes the regional food guide deadly for the gourmet traveller and a book called opera. One and Stacey Kabbani is a painter photographer and tour guide. Who had to rescue her art from the floodwaters seeping into her Venice Studio. She posted samples of her work at Stacey. Gibbons DOT COM. Anna's listening in from Rochester New York and she joins us on the phone at eight seven seven three three three Rick Anna. What are your thoughts about Venice? Yeah so I'm curious what you know. I can do to be a more responsible. Tourists never been to Italy very looking forward to going for a long-awaited honeymoon with my husband and We want to visit Venice. But we we're not sure how we can do this responsibly. and still enjoy everything the city has to offer. This is such a timely question and It's an interesting issue for several cities. And you're better over touristed in Venice along with Amsterdam and Barcelona in a couple of others are getting to the point. Where you wondered is a tourist. Even welcome of course good tours miss. Welcome but there's there's tourism that just takes doesn't give Fred. What's your thoughts on how somebody can visit? Venice in a way. That's positive on the first thing is to stay away from the Piazza San Marco in the most touristed areas. Stay in a low condo which is in in in one of the outlying areas there. It's called assist Yeti. There are six districts in the Old City of Venice. Staying in Castillo. Staying kind of Joe. Stay IN ONES. That are less frequented by tourists. Try to find a neighborhood where you develop your local Bar. You form a community for a few days frequent local. Venetian food places. Don't go wear I you see. All the crowds of people lining up for Pizza Pizza's not Venetian go to museums. That are less well known. In addition to the academia but above all for me Venezia's among its many virtues is acoustically. It's like nothing else in the world and if you walk down certain alleyways and you hear people doing their dishes or they're on the phone you suddenly realize that you are away from your world of vehicular traffic of all kinds of noise that really cluttered our minds and makes it hard to think in. Venice you reflect not just on the water not just in the sky but you hear things you don't hear Ellsworth who bring linger your eyes to Venice but your ears and wander without direction without a plan and you'll have the best discoveries of all. That's a beautiful answer Fred and I know that we've talked before and and you are considered a pleasure activist and that's a very scrub. The pleasure is to appreciate the acoustics. Stacey what are your thoughts on? How a tourist? I Love Fred suggestion and Ricky and I've talked about this before it comes to venison get lost right but I encourage you to stay definitely in a hotel in the city. Run by family. Wouldn't that be nice? Please avoid illegal AIRBNB. That's a topic for another day. Please eat at local restaurants. Please don't day trip and come in from the mainland. Please take a glimpse into ride and do exactly like Fred has suggested be quiet. You're going to listen to the water. Be in the place. Forget your selfie stick. Try To make those memories your photographs of your mind because this place needs to be felt Not just seen quickly so if you can stay for a week then you can do exactly what Freddie suggested and find yourself the local cafe to have your coffee and and meet the local people and learn a little Venetian dialect. While you're at it. Amick one more suggestion. Yeah please make Venice your first stop fly there. There's the airport there go into the city by a ferry and it will arise your vision and so on this way your first impact with Italy will be Venice. Then you can leave by the railway station and go to the mainland But it's the best first place to have contact with everything. Italian as Fred said is a beautiful way to be introduced to one of the most magnificent cities anywhere in your travels. Thanks for your call Anna. Thank you very much. This is travel. With Rick Steves. We're talking with Fred Plotkin. He's the author of Italy for the Gourmet traveller and Stacey Kabbani who's Local tour guide. Who's new American who's decided to embrace venison actually become a local stacey if you had visited Venice What's how do you appreciate the wonder and the magic of of the Serenissima than the Serene City? Well unlike you rick I like it. Early in the morning for sure The peacefulness and it's when all the local people are out. Kids are going to school. People are going to work. I mean I can get up at five thirty in the morning and opened my studio window and start to see people going into work and I think that's an interesting thing to enjoy but when people come to visit I encourage everyone to get lost to not hold onto their map to know this before they walk out the door. Have some kind of general plan. Okay today I'm headed towards The academia like Fred had suggested and as I get there I will pass through other neighborhoods. What will I be looking for? Maybe an umbrella the habit of the local gentlemen to have the Geo alone every day to go have a glass of wine in the shade of the Bell. Tower leaked out into the other sist yet. And it's still a habit of the local people and I enjoy taking foreign visitors to participate in the day long. Bre meet a few local characters. You know I'm so thankful that the traditions Venice survive and then that somebody like you. Stacey who can appreciate Venice can actually move in and embrace those traditions as a local mess. You've become over twenty years. He Fred Plotkin and Stacey. Thank you so much for joining us for this discussion about Venice and in high water thank you. We include links to our guests with this week. Show at Rick Steves Dot com slash radio and you can always reach us by email are addresses radio at Rick. Steves DOT com the sound? She here on. The cocoa trail are a world apart from the Serenissima of the canals of Venice. Up Next Travel Writer Canton and tells us about his grueling hike from one end of Papua New Guinea to the other it goes through some of the most unforgiving terrain on earth travel with Rick Steves. Renton is explored some of the world's most inaccessible places from Mount Arafat Timbuktu. But he says the most grueling adventure he's ever experienced was crossing the cocoa trail in Papua New Guinea. The single track trail was built as an overland. Mail route it goes from the scrappy colonial capital Port Moresby over six thousand foot mountain ridge to the northern coast of the island for Antonsson. The trail presented him with more than the physical challenges of wild terrain and weather extremes. It introduced him to the modern realities of tribal world. That's order them. Civilization Recant Hinson. Welcome to travel with Rick. Steves thank you. It's very nice to be here so Papua New Guinea. It's just sort of fable is one of the last wild places on earth before we get into the experience you had rick. What's unique about Papa? Guinea it's part of a large island. New Guinea second largest island in world after Greenland and people are fascinated by the name. Often people think Papua New Guinea is the entire island in fact it is the eastern half. The western half is part of Indonesia. It's always amazing when you think of the complexity of things down there in the thought that Indonesia is archipelago violence as big as the continental United States. We yeah the same with many people and Fascinating and that that one giant island would be split when we think of Papua New Guinea. It's almost for archaeologists like a treasure chest to studies tribal societies and this sort of thing well and it was fifty thousand years ago when the first people were arriving there about the same time as early settlement within Australia they arrived in eight dated pockets somewhere. Inland Valley and next to them was another valley of people that they never saw. They didn't have a need for trade and they weren't going to war so they didn't want that didn't share languages. They would be more diverse per square mile because of the rugged terrain than somebody who lives in Nebraska. Where there's really no mountains separating people absolutely or even in the Canadian rockies or the the the Swiss Alps anywhere else these pockets in Papua New Guinea were isolated and had no motivation to become not isolated. They connected with each other. Yeah and there was no need for one nation until okay. Colonies were established. Then people had all the angst around that and there began to be mobility. So Rick. What made you want to go to this? Remote Corner Quite happenstance My wife was an airport management with the cans airport and Australia and we moved into a new place. Neighbors came over the night were on and his name is Glen. His friends called monkeys thorough. Part of my book walking with Golden Palm Guinea and monk said to me late at night. I'm going to do the KAKUTA. Do you want to come? And I said absolutely the might have been a little bit of liquid courage and then he smiled and I said just one thing. What's the `Cocopa and he said to me? Play into the look of naive T on my face. He said it's a walk across the country. And I said what country and he said Papa New Guinea and that began at the challenge was on. We shook hands. And and you're you're Canadian. I'm Canadian and he was an OSCE. He's an ozzy through. And this is one thing we do have to remember for me as an American Pop Warner. Guinea just seems like literally the opposite end of civilization but for the Australians. It's kind of like going to the Yucatan for an American or something. It is but there's not a comfort with too much travel there right now described the trail. This you must have learned about the trail You hate it. What what is it? How long has it just physically? What what is the trail? It is grueling. It's about sixty miles long here up up down down up and down up and down up and down. It is continuous. There are lots of false summits where you think. Well there's the village it can't be very far away and then you spend the next two hours going up and down these. I'm at the top. Oh no there's another top higher up so it is at times real creator of Angst for a hiker. It is utterly demanding. They ask you to show medical coverage that will get you helicopter out of their through insurance. If there's anything that happens one recent year four people died on the trump to them in the same week all heart-related so is it. An organized hike is kind of like a guided tour or is just. It's every person for themselves. You have to go with an organized group you do. You are not allowed to go there on your own because many of the lands are tribal the villages where they let you stay. Do expect some form of compensation. Sometimes they're assisting you they may even help food but you have to be prepared. You also need to have the safety of group so you don't just go on your own. I was there twenty years ago with my church making a video about work that churches are doing in places like Papua New Guinea and I was really impressed with how important the big man is in each village. You have to meet with the big man and you have to recognize. He's the big man. And if you're on your own you would know who these people are necessarily. Did you encounter that the leader we would encounter someone who come to us? Upon arrival and our guides usually we had two guides they usually would be the ones that would joust if there was any. So you're lucky to have your guides with you absolutely mandatory and my view is I mean conceivably conceivably you could that this is a hindrance for our freedom but I would imagine doing this particular hike. You're glad you had given the complexities of tribal issues. And so you're probably lucky to have local fixers. You are right and then the other thing about that is that sometimes you arrive and you think well we could make camp here and somebody says no you. Can't you have to move on? We'll you're moving on. It's getting dark. You WanNa find a new place so you need to be aligned with the locals. Recanting telling us about his grueling trek across the dakotas trail in Papua New Guinea right now on travel with Rick Steves. He writes about his adventure. And what it showed him in his book. Walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea repulsive writes about his trek up Mount Arafat in full moon over Noah's Ark about his exploits on the back roads of the desert southwest in route. Sixty six still kicks and about. His African travels in a book called to Timbuktu for a haircut. His website is Rick Antonsson Dot Com. The only souvenir brought back from Papua New Guinea was three spears and I brought him from this crazy guy and he didn't speak much English but he pointed to each Bernie said fish chicken human. Well and it's a land that still has the legacy of cannibalism headhunting. That very much comes to the surface. One of the challenges for me. Writing Walking with ghosts was not sensationalized that but to acknowledge it and how important it was to them as a a tradition and as a practice in something that had lots of honor and integrity around it honor and integrity around the head. Hunting was very much a ritual that wasn't just about capturing an enemy it was about taking the soul of the enemy that the whole cannibalism was absorbing the good parts of the enemy. This is a way of triumphing away of growing. This is a way of self enhancement. It's a way of being able to boast to your family or others within your village or competitive villages to be able to have a skull or or the members but part of it was the head hunting the trophy as it were also the cannibalism. The actually consumption of it was to give your body and your spirit of additional strengths that you wouldn't have if you hadn't done that but they brought me from the grocery stores years we carried with is actually a lot of freeze dried food. Just because of the way we had porter's which is something else that you need to arrange but I wanna see something else about the villages that I think you would have encountered and that's very much the amazing singing voices of the children I was so impressed and we had this on several occasions but pounds are a wonderful people. But the children's say under the age of twelve over fifteen when they sing and they did often in a village to entertain us or inform us they have some of the most remarkable young voices in the world and in particular when they sing the national anthem. Which isn't an anthem. You here on sports parties but it is a remarkable song. One of the most beautiful so to celebrate Tori National Hymns. Oh Yeah I remember that. Now that you mentioned that is just there is A sort of a Janis. It was just really light and fun. I like that word John John Genus. Exactly what it was and something related to that. I learned which give me a a real respect for hell important. It is to go to these places in the Papa New Guinea and language least was there was no word for orphan because there would never be a child abandoned. The community always took care of the children. I did not know of that concept. But the closeness of the community. It's like everywhere else in the world. We all kind of want the same things. I'll never forget rick. Standing in a village talking with some of the parents and a kid ran by and they could look at the footprint of that the barefoot footprint in the sand and know what child that was remarkable and that was a good example to me. Of how tight did they knew every child's footprint in that beautiful village where they had no word for orphan? This is travel with Rick. Steves were talking with Rick and Rick's telling us about one of the most arduous journey of his life. I can along the trail in Papua New Guinea. His book is called walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea. You call this the most grueling adventure sixty miles you know. That's that's a long hike but It's certainly not one of the longer hikes around but in the dense jungle. Was that temperatures crazy. Were you afraid about your health. Were their animal's swinging from trees. What was it? That made a grueling. Well first of all you maybe advance at about a mile an hour. So if you're out for six or seven hiking hours in a day you haven't really made much progress on a sixty mile track size. You're going to be making the commitment of being seven to ten days on the journey. That's if the weather is good the jungle at times as oppressive and all you can see is thirty. Seven shades of green and the fascinating. If you stop and listen you can hear all sorts of noises at are observing you and you don't know whether they're predators are birds but the sounds are fantastic particularly at night when it's as black as black can be your sleep when you wake up and you think. What are those noises? How Vulnerable Am I? And you're happy to be surrounded by some mates. You're probably fully aware that you are such a rookie when it comes to jungle life skills. Isn't that true and these other guys? That's just I'm thirsty. I'm GONNA climb this tree for coconut. And they make the other thing. Was that the power lines were to a person or porters helpers anyone with the cooking they were absolutely wonderful as hosts and in effect saying this is my country. I will share with you. Whatever you would like to see or learn about it. They would talk. They would tell stories and we could hear their music late at night or first thing in the morning before we were even. Oh Yeah. That's great so something I should say about. The Kakoty trail is that its prominence has come because during the second world. War was the site of fierce fighting between the Australians and the Japanese and it was a different time than the world. We live in today. Societies are different today than they were then but for six months this was and the terms of general macarthur the worst fighting conditions anywhere in world. War Two coincident with this were the Americans at Guadalcanal. So that's the timing in nineteen forty two and we had pretty good weather on the CODA but in nineteen forty two. This September was the wettest September. On record I talked with other trekkers. Who have been on there before like our guides and they were there when it was rainy. And you would take ten or twelve days to do what we did in five or six right. Just because you're you're yeah. You wrote quite movingly about the Australian military campaigns and how heartbreaking they must have been. I will tell you twice on the trip. I cried when we were in a little bit of a memorial stopped to talk about Butcher Hill or or Brigade Hill or other places where the battles had been fierce for both sides but to think of the young lives that were were lost in all of the brutality or I woke up one night and it was foggy the the rain and come in and it was dead quiet. It must have been two three in the morning and I was had this fear of what it would have been like to be thinking that somebody was maybe twelve feet away and wanted to take your life so emotionally. It was draining. I would say that most places around the world if you go to an old battle site saying Europe it's been modernized or fixed up the access routes right. This looks like it did in nineteen forty two with the jungle overgrown to where it wants to the jungle has its way with the path so you are walking through history. But it's has it looked in nineteen forty two. You wrote about gold prospectors and British colonial forces atrocities. Which was there an awareness that you know white imperialists have read really had brutal hand here in this on this island on the island of New Guinea with the Spanish the British the Germans there there were colonial powers that the Dutch in Indonesia next door so a lot of that played out with the territorial bits and then World War One change data World War. Two changed more dramatically and then in the early Seventies Papua New Guinea became its own independent country with its own flag and some national anthem and its own pride. The sometimes gets tarnished. Today by the image of the rascals are near do wells who had this issue with the rascals all Joe and when you're on a bus going across Papua New Guinea you've got these two bit bandits out there and they're not gonNA kill you. They're just going to take everybody off for the bus. Take all their clothes and other jeweler and other cameras and just leave him naked there. And then they're gonNA laugh into the next valley What was the rascal situation for you? So we encountered it not on the trail but when we got to one of the maybe secular third largest community around. Which is Papa Data? And they were very much around the compound the we went into the GROCERY STORE. Jovan and our motor vehicle and then the gates were closed behind us. We did our shopping. But you'll get protective compound protective armed guards because they're these quote rascals out there and they call them rascals because they're they're not murderous thugs. They're just petty thieves. Is that the dealer. How would you well? They are both of the above. So the harder they do. So the RASCALS R. A. S. K. O. L. S. The rascals have morphed from being tribal feuds to coming into the major centers. Not always having jobs there becomes the drug trade had a lot of initiation sometimes for youngsters is not just robbing but it's assault and it's it's very hurtful things there. Also are feuds that remain unresolved from over the years and so there have been stories of truckers. Bean accosted usually. It is the guides. They are with the bear. The brunt of being accosted by another tribe and there are a lot of tribes. We've got an email here from Richard and Margaret River in Australia and Richard Rights. I taught in the capital city port-moresby at the University of Papua New Guinea for several years. It was very impressed at the language skills of the citizens there. There are over eight hundred languages in Papua New Guinea and most residents understand about three or four of them and actually use several languages. Were you aware of the amount of languages that the society has to deal with their? I became aware of that more through research encountering it because while we would hear songs in different languages being sung by the porters and some of them spoke different languages they would have talk casino or they would have about pigeon version by Papa. New Guinea has eight hundred thirty two different languages. There are six thousand eight hundred living languages in the world so it means that a small country small population twenty percent of all the languages in the world around that half an island exactly which has point one percent of the world's population and the only other country with eight hundred living languages is India and there are twelve percent the world population. So when you juxtapose that it goes back to the early settlements. Were all in pocket. Valley's spread along the ocean shore up rivers and they survived on their own in their languages. Were totally independent structures. This has traveled. Rick Steves were talking with Rick and his book is walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea. If you just think why you were there. Was there a moment when you thought this is just an exposure to different world? And you're so thankful that you were there to benefit from that. I would think the middle of the night experiences when you just wake up. One Night I got up I want to the the Bhushan was coming back and the stars and they're only nine thousand stars. We actually can see with the naked eye and you could see more in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere because of the tilt whatever number I looked at they were mascarenas a billion and I felt the intimidation of the night sky and being in a country. Where at that moment I thought it was possibly the only person awake. So that was humbling and inspiring at the same time. I bet you're glad you took your friends offer up to go to Papua Guinean hike the CO quota trail. Will you know I would turn to monk every once in a while particularly if we've gone up something like the wall which is nearly vertical in your hearts just thumping tonight look at him? I'd say some walk across the country but you're glad you did. I am all right. Rick Antonsson fascinating the book walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea. Thanks Rick Thank you travel with. Rick Steves is produced by Tim. Tatton Isaac Kaplan Wilner and Casimiro Hall. At Rick Steves Europe in Edmonds Washington. Our website is managed by Andrew Wakeling of our chemical. We GET PROMOTIONAL SUPPORT FROM SHEILA BRUCE. Off Our theme music is by Jerry. Frank thanks to the Radio Foundation in New York City for their help this week. There's more and Rick Steves dot com slash radio each year. 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Jon Pessah, Author

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

13:52 min | 6 months ago

Jon Pessah, Author

"This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Schaap Yogi. Berra was one of the great baseball players of all time. One of the great winners in the annals of sport but he meant more to people than just a great baseball player typically would there was a lot of humor about him and some unintentional philosophy is well now lawrence. Peter is the subject of a new book by our old friend one of the great sports journalists of our time John Pasa. His book is simply. Yogi a life behind the mask John. Thank you for joining US Jeremy. It's my pleasure. John I let me start by saying Yogi Berra's one of those guys and I have like many people tremendous fondness for him and I think An appreciation for him probably more than most people Having known him a little and growing up in New York Being around him. E what more do we need to know about Yogi? Berra that we don't already know. Well I'll tell you I three I did. This book was my I got Yogi and nine thousand nine hundred sixty when I was eight years old and he was a roleplaying outfielder for very strong. Yankee teams very good role player but a rope higher. I use my father's favorite player. My father told me that this was one of the most dynamic baseball players he'd ever seen in his life and that's not usually the way we think we think of Yoga. I mean overshadowed by his persona so I really wanted to go back just at the beginning and just look at this tremendous baseball player and he was so much better and I'm a huge baseball fair. But he's so much better as a baseball player than I ever thought. I mean he was the best player on the best team in baseball history. Well he won those MVP awards when the Yankees were winning all those world series. They won the world series and forty nine fifty fifty one fifty two fifty three he was the MVP in fifty one fifty four and fifty five and this is at a time that mantle was coming into his own he was about to win the triple crown and fifty six. Ted Williams was still doing remarkable things. There was a lot of tough competition in the American league but Yogi Berra was the MVP and three of those seasons. What made him so great. two things one. He was just a tremendous hitter. Right from the start. This guy was twenty one hundred. Rbi to eighty three twenty hitter Out of the catcher slot where the catch was expected. Play defense and to call pitches and that was it and actually for the first year of yogis career There was there was a very very good chance he would have been outfielder. Not a catcher. And it wasn't until Casey stangl came in and realized if I have a hard hitting catcher Then I have something special and brings and Bill dickey fix mechanical problems. With with. Yoga pitchers hated pitching to him in his first two years. get cleaned up the mechanics And Yogi now becomes almost overnight the best catcher in the American league and one of the true talents that I had no idea how he had a near photographic memory of of Baseball. And he could tell you how to get somebody out in. The fourth inning was a man on second that we did it. Four and a half years ago Here's the right pitch and the players. Just you know turn completely turned around because that is an incredible weapon to have plus you as a field. Who's as good if not better than anyone? We're speaking with longtime sports writer and editor. John Pasa his new book is Yogi Life Behind the mask. Biography of Lawrence Peterborough. Probably one of the thirty greatest baseball players ever to live and one of only a few athletes North American major sports history with as many as ten championship rings. But when I think of Yoga John I think about some of the contradictions. You know one of the great athletes of all time but not in an athlete's body right. How did that lead people to misjudge him in the beginning? I think that his body I tell you this too One general one specific part of it literally changes baseball history. The the the general is you you look at him and you know equipment managers. When he walked into his minor league teams would give him a uniform to a ratty uniform because they thought he stayed to try out not that he was part of the team He just didn't look like an athlete. He had a toll person upper body. A short persons lower body Long arm big show's a hit his neck But when he stepped on the field He was just an incredible player. The Guy who was who is supposed to be the greatest judge of talent in part because he could look at a sixteen year old and figure out what it was. GonNa look like these twenty one named branch rickey greatest talent evaluate ever. He takes one look at Yogi and the size and tells them to lose face. You're no more than a AAA baseball player. And I need people who go all the way and so instead of a playing for the cardinals. He's hometown anti war. When the cardinals make the mistake pain from the ground Who who then become the orioles and this drives orioles fans crazy when I tell them that Yogi Berra in their his prime would have been catcher for the Baltimore Orioles He makes this gigantic mistake and he loves joke. Hours Yoyogi especially across the street neighbor. Who literally is six one hundred and seventy five pounds and absolutely looks like a baseball player and is very good but it wasn't Yogi Berra. The other thing. John Speaking with John. Pass up about his new biography of Yogi Berra and as I tried to suggest in our leading your the thing about Yogi bear. It's not just the on the field. Obviously but it's This aura about him and it and I was random a lot I interviewed on a number of occasions and there was this charm in this warmth about him although he could be tough but but people thought he was this guy you know who had this endless stream of unintentionally. Funny one liners and this kind of stuff. It actually interviewing Yogi wasn't easy wasn't somebody who actually fit the way that people people no thought of him right. You know his persona his public thing wasn't the real Yogi. Can you explain that disconnect a little bit and why it exists? Well I mean definitely wasn't Yogi was always A quiet if not shy person the only place. The yogi fell a hundred percent comfortable with on any ball field where he was always a best player and you could see through his life that people who talked for in Joe Garagiola who helped with Yogi ISM. Then it became Phil Rizzuto another. You know very talkative. Person His wife was eloquent Ron guidry later in his life be becomes the whisper and He he was just naturally that way. It was also the youngest of four. Bore isn't a in you know in five kids and then the Talian families fog you know as as most fathers of that era is ruled with an iron fist. And you know I think he learned to be quiet that way. Because you didn't talk until you spoken to. His father was a man of few words and all of the Of the of the kids In in Yogi's family were quiet sorts. But I think to. He faced A lot of discrimination. 'cause he was carrying and he faced a lot of abuse because of his looks because of his physical stature And because sometimes he would you know when he did talk a mangle the language and I think that Yogi just having such an appreciation for how it felt to be looked down upon and he could never bring himself to do that because he felt like and and that's first of all it's rare and people second of all it's really rare among athletes and Yo- gives just this guy who liked and love people and I think people felt that in just all instantly comfortable around him I saw. This must be twenty years ago. There was a there. Aren't a lot of baseball players. Who had one man plays written about them? That were actually performed on Broadway and I saw. I saw the yoga. Show Bengals Ara. I mean one of the great actors of the second. Half of the Twentieth Century Played Yogi. I did a story about saw the play. And you know I think Yogi never saw because you know it took liberties with the real story and a lot of it revolved around his relationship with Dale Dale. His son. Who's been on the show recently and it was about You Know Dale's addiction right all that stuff. His feud with Steinbrenner. Mostly the reason that And it was Carmen And unfortunately this Carmen does yes. I'm sorry Unfortunately this story didn't make it into the book. I end up having to cut sixty pages the book. But there's a terrific story of Kozara and you're right coming to Yogis House and talking about it and our figures. Hey I'm from Brooklyn I'M A. You know rebelled Italian. We're GONNA and they did hit it off but Carman Was against it from the start. And they have a second meeting at his museum where they're sitting there drinking vodka together telling stories about where it was like growing up during the depression. And you know if it was Yogi they you know they would have blast it Common walks in is very polite. Very nice you know Carmen. She was a charming woman And very politely and said I'm sorry but we're not going to endorse this. I gotTa Tell Ya I. It's funny I was. I was interviewing bank desire about the play and he was great and he's the only guy can think of who played two famous. Yankees in two different In two different productions about sports. Wow you got me on this one. What's the other one he did? Well I got him to. He didn't know was George. Halas in the remake of Brian saw. Oh and of course George. Halas played right field for the keys before Babe Ruth he was one of the right fielders in one thousand nine hundred nineteen before the founding of the NFL. I just had to throw that in there John. But as usual you you've done a spectacular job with the book. I didn't know that there was much more I could know or would want to know about Yogi. But you've certainly achieved that and he is such an iconic figure new such a great player and I think the book is a great service to to baseball fans sports fans and Yogis more than that of course wise Yogi more than that again. It comes down to his. Humanity was so accessible Advertisers Love them because people just looked at Yogi and and instantly light and trusted them. And as you know trust is advertising advertising goal he was also just. He was walking history. I mean the man lived through the depression and World War. Two the the the baby boom D- Moved to the suburbs. He was one of the first television stars. He was He did movies. Movie Reviews He wrote books. There's a great little museum in Montclair New Jersey about him. I mean this guy you know. Ninety years from you know from the beginning to end just lived phenomenal life and and with that Captives humility always just feels like a man of the people which basically is what he lives. even through all these incredible achievement That's a unique combination that I think that's why people are drawn to him. And you said not. Just not just Ron Guidry also Kelly trip. Uk basically his he chauffeurs. I mean He. He was friends with rebukes ball. Who was an all American quarterback in the NFL? They would go up to umass. And watch their sons play. Football Together Him and his wife and Carmen and Yogi they were. I mean you look at them. And they were so different. Computer is the prototype athlete. You know what is probably about six two hundred? Eighty five hundred ninety pound quarterback good looking and and and his best friends Yogi Berra and they they you know he lives in neighboring Bloomberg New Jersey. And they did lots of things together. John Passes. New Book is Yogi of life behind the mask John. It's always a pleasure. Thanks so much for coming on the show Jerry. My pleasure listening On things it'd be out of books and prioritizing when the taking new things hopefully early next week barnes and noble is probably the place to go. If you're out of books they sold out in the first day A lot of interest in baseball. I you know I'm GonNa gives Yogi and baseball. A lot of credit is a giant hole in my life where baseball is always on. And there's no baseball and it's just since I've been four years old and I'm sixty eight so that's a long time and and it's just missing and I think people are hungry for baseball and and Hungary to feel good and you'll use just a such a feel-good Carson. That is Yogi John Passive. Thanks so much for joining us. Hey Jeremy thanks for the appreciate it. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. 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Marty Lurie, Still Going but Cutting Back

Giants Splash

16:30 min | 8 months ago

Marty Lurie, Still Going but Cutting Back

"Expectations are sky high for the as this year especially with the Houston Cheating. Scandal potentially opening path for the as to win the division. I am Susan's lesser. You can follow along with all the as developments throughout the season on as plus hello and welcome to the giant splash on Henry showman beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle. It's fair to say that no sports media personality in the bay area is more popular than Marty Lurie. He hosts the talking baseball. Show each Saturday and Sunday on the club's flagship radio station K. N. B. R. This is the first of a two part podcast with Marty. Who at seventy four is going to be cutting back his workload this spring? We'll talk about why and his thoughts on gave Kappler and the twenty twenty giants before we get tomorrow. We would like to give you an opportunity to have a say in what we cover. We want to know what you WanNa hear and how you feel we can make our podcast better. Please take a brief survey at SAF CHRONICLE DOT COM slash podcast survey. If you complete it you'll be entered in a drawing for one of five one hundred dollar gift cards it short and we'd really like to get your feedback. That's SF CHRONICLE DOT com slash. Podcast survey on mark. Laurie Marty how you doing Henry. I'm doing great. That's spring training. The Sun is out. We got baseball. What what could be better how? `Bout Conversation between Henry Shulman and Marty. Laurie I you know in the introduction. I said you're probably the most popular media personality in the Bay area and we have a lot of media personalities You feel that way well. It's very heartwarming. Honestly and I feel we have a community of fans and my shows have brought that community together and baseball's a talking sport on the weekend. I've got a Lotta time and people like to talk about the game so I feel very good about what I've accomplished. Okay there's going to be a big change this year and some fans are not gonna like it but You Know Martin sort of a marathon man on the weekends before the Games after the Games sometimes six eight hours. You're cutting back a little bit this year aren't you yeah absolutely and I thought about it last August September at the end of the year. And I don't WanNa say WANNA spend more time with my family. That's what everybody says. But I'd actually like to spend more time watching the game and walking around the park and sitting in the bleachers and sitting up in the sweets and talking to people and I decided I said you know I don't think I WANNA do the Post Games Next year so I talked to Jerry. Micro kmby artist said I'd like to really cut back and do all the pre games which I love doing. I'm still on for four hours sat in four hours on Sunday but on the post games I want to sort of enjoy myself a little more and the other part of it is Henry. These Saturdays and Sundays turned out to be like sixteen hour days for me. I mean I'd be up at six. Am preparing for. The show's be at the Ballpark by eight o'clock. The game a montel. Twelve forty five. The game is at one eight lunch in fifteen minutes and have to watch every single pitch. Then listen to the post game and then do my post game for three hours. I'm home at eight o'clock at night and then back the next morning and also so many Saturday night games. I was there at eleven thirty at night and back at eight. Am The next morning. And I said you know it's a lot to do and I'd rather enjoy myself watching the game. So that's what I'm GonNa do pre-games Mardi do you mind. If I ask you how old you are now please do seventy four and as I always tell our span there. I'm the most veteran guy around. I like it when arts there because then I'm not the oldest but I'm proud of it because I think about it and even coming down here to spring training thought about it the other day and I looked at everybody who covers baseball and everyone in the park and all that connected with the team. I think I've seen more baseball games and heard more baseball games than anybody in the ballpark. And I don't mean to brag about it but that's just the longevity of loving baseball since I was five years old and you know you alluded to something. I'm not as old as you are but it does wear you down to do this day in and day out and also I'll go to maybe one or two giants games a year where I buy a ticket just like everybody else contrary to what people believe. We don't get free tickets to the giants and I'll just go when people ask me. Don't use in the the last place you want to go when you phone chirping. We didn't do the we didn't do the old. Let's turn off the phone here. Bang so you know people ask me. I don't you WanNa stay away from the ballpark and watching the game. When you don't have to think about doing something journalistically or think about a radio show is one hundred eighty degrees different isn't it? There's no question I like sitting in the stands. I like talking to the fans I like talking to the ushers like walking around. I like watching a game in left field. I like going up to the sweets. I like doing that. I like interacting. I like people and I think part of the show that I do is I like callers. Lot of hosts on the radio. Callers annoying him. I don't they I like them. I'm honored that someone would take the time to talk to me. And that's the way I feel when I walk around the Ballpark so this gives me the chance to do it. And I'm happy to be able to do it. I'm very enthusiastic about it. I've got plenty of time on the air. You know these three four pre games are plenty of time. I'm looking forward to having you on and I always said you should have your own show. You really good on the radio. So I'm looking forward to the next season. I really am am very enthusiastic. And the other thing Henry. You know this this game keeps you young. I mean I just interviewed Chris Shaw this morning and critical. How does he twenty five twenty six years old? Whatever I can be as grandfather but in that interview we were one on one. I was the same age as him. And that's what baseball does for me. You live down here in Arizona. I think a lot of the listeners know that so that gives you a unique opportunity to be able to be here in spring training I WanNa talk about the Games in just a minute. But what do you like we? We write stories every day and We do these podcasts. And we tweet and all that so we get something out of this ten days or so before the Games actually start what you get out of these ten days. Well you you're bonding back with baseball. you're getting the feel of of coming to the park early. You're listening to the sounds of baseball. You're seeing the hands the feed the batting practice. And all that. You're bonding back with baseball. The other thing that I feel that I do is. I bring the story back to people who are when I grew up in Florida people in Eastwood being snow and stuff like that well in San Francisco maybe rain and all that kind of stuff we get the phone out of here But I I really feel we bring the story to the fans up in the bay area. And that's what I like about. It and I can do that from spring training for people who are in weather and they're not connected to baseball. That's what I'd like to do okay. Well we'll have much more with Marty Lurie after. I teach him to turn off his cell phone. And we'll get to that right after this. If you've been listening to San Francisco City insider you heard from chaser bodine months before his surprise election as the city's. Da You heard from the most love librarian in the country and you heard from the man who wants to remake Muny. I'm chronicle columnist. Heather Knight get to know the people who make San Francisco tick and see if you approve of their burrito choices on San Francisco City insider all right now that I have taken your phone thrown it into thrown it into the canal. We've had radio come on this all the time. Exactly one of the things that we have a little inside joke here. We talked to Gabe Kappler at the end of every practice. And he's got his head fully into you know the drills he's really kinda micro into these drills and bligh. Vp's and all that and you're really into the Games and your questions of Gabe. It's kind of like a funny back and forth where you're asking about the games that he's going Marty. I've got a lot to think about before the Games you really liked. The game's absolutely look Cape Kappler. Walks around here like he is. Casey stangl like he's managed for thirty years and he's a hall of fame manager. You know he said two years in Philadelphia didn't go that well. I WanNa talk about baseball about his approach to baseball as approach to the game. This is a team that went thirty games without scoring a run in the first inning. Yeah I'd like to know what he thinks about that. How he's going to work on that down here. I realize he's into the swing path and exit velocity and all the analytics of baseball. But there's a game to watch. We I asked him about the closer you know. I think you have to have a closer with the new rules. I don't think you can bring in a guy who hasn't closed before and a three to game the first to get on and you'd like to get him out of there and you can't because he's got to face three batters. I want to know what he thinks about the game and how the game is played. And that's what like to ask them about and I guess I'm the only one that does it. I'd like to know who's GonNa Pitch on Saturday? Why not I wonder. Who'S GONNA pay to? He knows let us now. It's been like a state secret. Really let us know so. I have sort of fun with him. I think and and the interaction with him is interesting because when I say to him you know what are you going to do to score runs? And then he looks at me and says well what would you do and then I have to answer them in what I would do and then we go back and forth but for me at least I'm getting I'm talking about baseball and not a swing path and I think that's important. Yeah the other day we were talking about small ball kind of and you know this is an era where you you don't play for a run. And he I mean this is not far on Zaidi's not kind of guy who plays for a run gave Kappler has grown grown up as a coach or a manager in at a time. When you don't play for a run but you think the giants have to play for run now and again right. Oh absolutely look in the first inning. In it I any Hammy one run games. Anything with thirty four and eighteen. Something like that last year. And the Games that Oracle they were under five hundred at home now these games at Oracle Park nine eight twelve eleven there. Four two three three two two seems like every game. We play at Oracle the sixth inning. It's three two two one way or another and I think you have to be prepared for that absolutely. I think he's got a change managing style. This isn't citizens bank park. I WanNa see how he runs the game. That's what I want to see the game start. I'll tell you another thing. He talks all about repetitive things. And you know all the drills so the muscle memory and we've got guys catch pitchers catching pop ups and almost getting killed doing it. Well if you're going to have the kind of offense at scores a run in the first inning. Let's see you do it down here. Let let's see a guy run in the first inning. Lets you get a leadoff guy? Let's see do a hit and run. Let's see you get a guy in scoring position in the first thing to get a run. I WANNA see that and if I don't see it I'm going to ask him. Why not? What one of the things that we've been talking about amongst ourselves and thinking about is that They hired a bench coach. Who really has no nothing close to bench coach experience and you know capital has set while? I got run loads here You know nobody knows that. Better Than Ronnie's former bench coach. Of course voters is going to be on the field half the time and so when the giants are hitting he's not gonNA have ron wood is by his side to give him strategic advice. I mean if you thought about that yes I look. I thought if he's kicked out of the game who's going to manage kyw he's been in the Arizona Summer League basically So yeah I thought about that but see Henry everything that that. Kaplan does his scripted. There's very much of of the planning. And they know with this pitcher on the mound. We've got these hitter's up. We know what they're swing path. Is We know what the chances of them doing something so I don't think he's going to be. He's not flying the plane without without control so to speak. I mean he knows what he's GonNa do and I don't think he's GonNa get crazy Doing things I the the fear I have with him is that everything is so scripted. That he's not gonna be able to feel the game and see the game in front of him and he's GonNa make moves based on analytics and numbers and swing paths and stuff like that. So let's see let's see plays out. As I said he's managed to years you know he's not. He's not in the hall of fame. He did not have a tremendous amount of success in Philly. But here they've given him the Kings the keys to the kingdom and Farhan to they walk around. There's no repercussions anywhere. He's got a fifteen man. Coaching staff of people who are beholden to him so this is a whole new deal for him to see how he handles this but I wanna see how he handles a major league game and look the big criticism of him was handling his bullpen in Philadelphia. And that's the key to Oracle Park in Bocce. We have three rings because of that coachie understood that how to handle the bullpen. So that's the other thing. I want to see how he handles a bullpen. Well not in terms of particular portions of the team any individual players that you're kind of curious to look at this spring. Well Bart I think is is one for sure because I think the future this team he is the the the heart of what's going happen here in a couple of years The other one is Jalen Davis He has more power than anybody. And all he's gotTa do is figure out how to put the Bat on the ball and I've watched his batting practice and he clearly has that lifts going he's got a sensor on his bat to get his paths down if he made contact but he hit it on the ground if he can make contact and lifted he's got power to take it out so I like watching him. And then there's Sean slater and then there's Rodriguez and Suarez and people who are kind of in the middle and it's not that they're bad but they're not good yet. So I'm looking to see sean slater. What kind of springs they have. Because knowing how Farhan operates there are twenty nine other teams and Sean slater may give him a chance to to do something if he asked okay One last thing on on the team itself. I mean. They didn't resign or they didn't bring back. Kevin Pillar Eighty something in twenty. Something home runs gone from a team. That was one of the bottom scoring teams in the majors anyway. Does that make you a little pessimistic about their ability to score this year or even win games? The way they did last year at the beginning of the year I think so I think and the reason pillars not here of course their return on investment and all the crazy numbers. You know that that go into the computer said don't get him but the point is Douger is here billy. Hamilton is here Ms Strbske is here. Jalen Davis is here. And a few put polar and Centerfield Shaw Slater. It's GonNa take bats away from guys who are in what I say this Middle Zone. Either they're going to stink or they're going to be good and the only way we're going to find out if they get batch. Palomar would've taken that away. Look Las Vegas says they're going to win. Sixty eight games. They're not GonNa Win Ninety Five Games ninety seven games. They know that this is a year of development and cleaning out some of the system until his nextwave gets here. Well Marty I want to thank you for joining me on this podcast. We have so much to talk about. We're going to do another podcast. It's going to be more about the astros scandal and the state of the game so I look forward to talking to you about that. Absolutely look at talking sports. This is what we do. Well some very happy to be on with you. The giants splash is a production of the San Francisco. Chronicle support the splash and all of the chronicles great journalism by signing up for a chronicle membership at SF chronicle dot com slash pod.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1389: Too Good to Be Two

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

1:08:57 hr | 1 year ago

Effectively Wild Episode 1389: Too Good to Be Two

"The. Hello, and welcome to episode thirteen eighty nine of festively wild a baseball podcast from van graphs, presented by our patriots orders. I n them in Burke of the ringer joined by Sam Miller of ESPN. Oh, Sam had been I just went to ban graphs up the drop down. And I said show me, the last seven days of baseball throughs at the top of that leaderboard for offense, and it is Shohei Ohtani through hit for the cycle, perhaps the cycle. I've cared about on Thursday. He's been on fire lately made some mechanical changes. He's looking really great. And I think was that you who asked me earlier in the year when I said, I was really looking forward to seeing Otani as a fulltime hitter, whether I was worried about whether people would if you did succeed suggests that she should just be a hitter fulltime. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't that worried about it at the time, but I have already seen the first rumblings about that. The excellent Joe Sheehan whose newsletter. I subscribed to and recommend has recently said, some nice things about. The book which I appreciate his latest addition of the newsletters all that how Shohei Otani has been great as a hitter. And perhaps he should just be a hitter and it's not worth messing around with him as a pitcher and love Joe's rating. But I wish he would stop trying to take away to way Otani for me. Yeah. Well, I mean, I wasn't so much worried about people suggesting it as the actual angels, actually doing it because I mean I last year around this time, I think I wrote a piece, looking at sort of the math of how good Otani has to be at both things to make it worthwhile for to do both things. And there comes a point where these two good hitting than it doesn't make sense from the pitch, just because the pitching cannibalize is his value, as a as a position player more than the other way. And so if I mean, it almost doesn't matter how good a pitcher he is if he's a better hitter. And if he's a, you know, like a, a really an incredible hitter just because. You know the the way that he is used right now take while not right now right now. But the way that he's used to a role cost him all that great defensive value that he would presumably adding. And it's just really hard to make it up as a you know, sixty percent of the time D H compared to one hundred percent of the time. Right. Fielder. Whose presumably, I would think plus rightfielder. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure he would give as arm and he'd be. I mean he, he could be. He was. I think he I, I think I'm remembered that didn't play centerfield in Japan, when he was starting out before they moved him to Deitch. I dunno. The new outfield definitely. Yeah. He played outfield but I think you might avoid centerfield anyway. So, so, yeah, so the like there's I, I had, like sort of nine like a grid of nine possibilities where he's like good at hitting great at hitting Batta hitting good at pitching. Great pitching bad at pitching. And the great at hitting ones. There was really no way to make the, the war math come out to he should be a two way player if he's great at hitting, if I remember this correctly, I don't want that to be true. He didn't play center in Japan according to baseball reference, mostly. Right. Some left but yeah, I mean he is now at five hundred four career plate appearances. And in that time since the start of last season. Minimum five hundred appearances he is the ninth best hitter by WC plus in baseball. That that's really good hitter. And that's given an uneven schedule where he was bouncing pitching and hitting for much less year. He had that long. Layoff in the middle of last year. He was hitting like three days a week, even when he was hitting and he also had a, a messed up ligament, that perhaps could have affected him. And then he was coming back from Tommy, John this year and started sort of slow who knows what he could be just, you know, fulltime no injuries. Nothing. So I am. I'm happy that he's that good. Because that was the thing that everyone doubted when he was coming over whether he could hit, and now looks like he so good at hitting that, that might jeopardizes pitching but he could be so good at pitching to both tick tick one away for me. We only get one of these guys every century. And I didn't think we would ever get one again. It's almost like baseball should step in and say, in this might be better for you angels to just have him hit all the time. But better for baseball to have him do this thing. No one else can do you? We only kinda even got him a century ago, Babe Ruth was mostly a pitcher, who is a really good hitter. And then he was a incredible hitter, who had previously pitched, but there was only a very a fairly short overlap of those two. And in that overlap his, his pitching got much worse. And he talked about how exhausting it was and how he couldn't do it for a whole year and didn't seem to want to do it. And I, I mean it's. It's not probably right to think of Baber as a two way player because he, he it was very brief that he was, and it wasn't his most successful Berea. Yeah. That's right jet cram wrote about that for the ringer last year a link to that. But anyway, I will enjoy him for now. There's nothing we can do for now. He's he can't pitch. So I'll enjoy his hitting and worry about the rest later and hopefully he will want to pitch so much that he will force the until still let him pitch. Even if it's not the best things that typically speaking anything on your mind. Yeah. So I've been listening to I've decided that I'm going to go back and listen to all of your episodes. So I I've started that project, great starting with the most recent and moving backward. Why that way, partly because I find it a a little bit. I, I don't want annoying, too strong. A word tedious isn't quite the right word. But sometimes we get emails from people who reply who are responding to something that and then twenty minutes later, we get another Email from them. Going. Oh, you already addressed this later in the. Yeah. Or sometimes we know that we already addressed it, three episodes later, and I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to be responding to things knowing I said, they were going to change dramatically over the next, you know, hundred episodes or whatever, and partly because I think that there's an enjoyable sort of dramatic irony that comes from knowing the end before you meant, the beginning, not, if that makes sense. And so that's probably why doing backward, anyway. So I started with the Jeff's, farewell. Emotional. I and yeah, and then I moved onto the episode before that when he gives a long detailed analysis of the state of the Tampa Bay rays organization. Yes. We, we pushed off the tip varies preview episode to like the next one her, or a little after that, just because it felt weird to have him on that one. But yeah, he, he kept talking about the race read right up until the end even after he knew he was going to work there. I think. Yeah. Did you? Okay. So a couple of things that I just wanted to bring up from those couple episodes, I, I don't know if I'm going to do this. I don't know if I'm going to respond to every episode or not. But I, I just can't I can't I have to I have to on these. All right. So first of all, Jeff talked about how the he was he had been told when he went to fan rats, don't read the comments that commenters are mean but he actually appreciated the commenters if not for the commenters, he would never have realized that he had a bad habit of writing rambling leads that didn't go anywhere. And I just could not possibly disagree more with those commenters that was such a beautiful. Quirk of Jeff's writing. And I, I missed those leads. I cannot believe he listened to people telling him to, to get rid of those leads. They were wonderful ruined. Jeff. They did. And, you know, a commenter is not going to go in and say of your article that doesn't have a unorthodox lead. Hey, where's your unorthodox lead? I demand idiosyncratic writing styles from you there in, so he's not getting the commenters that say that he should be doing those leads and I know that some people did not like them. I like them. They were fantastic. They were distinct, and they were, they really sort of I thought captured the character of Jeff's writing, which is simultaneously, taking the topic extremely seriously. While also recognizing the sort of farcical nature of what we do carrying this much about the thing that we are simultaneously carrying this much about. And so, so I. I mad at those commenters, and I wish that I had known in real time that Jeff was letting them a burrow into his head like like, like one of those bugs, rose into your brain. Yeah. It's possible that he just decided he wanted to start writing less into finished with his posts sooner because he's doing an awful lot of posts there that could be way. I always always felt that those leads were away of writing more quickly because by not putting a lot of value in having a traditionally refined lead. It was a way of getting out of the way, and sometimes he would say, in the lead, like, basically, this is a lead. I need to have lead this is it now. We're going to go onto the topic instead of trying to crack something anyway. That's one thing, the other thing is that you guys talked about, farewell tours and you both referred to the original farewell tour that Chipper Jones hat when he got what it get a rocking chair of Broken Hill. India, sir, sir floored, Mariana got the rocking chair, broken bats surfboard. And I wanted to let you know than than the original farewell tour was much earlier than that. I don't know what the original ones. But, but I can tell you that it was at least in nineteen sixty three. So I have here, a great Sports Illustrated article about STAN, museums farewell tour when he announced his retirement few months ahead of time. And I'm gonna read this paragraph as Musial Muzio Musial, do you pronounce it mutual mutual at don't know. But I, I hear that. Yeah, I heard it recently and thought could be that I've been getting that Musial Icee museum do zeal. I do as musical made his way around the league for the last time the old love affair between the ballplayer and the American people began to overflow, even as it drew to a close. There were times when STAN was in danger of being drowned intrigue oil, he was heaped with gifts and honors and awards in San Francisco, in Houston, in Los Angeles in New York and Chicago Philadelphia and Cincinnati, moist, eyes blinked from Costa. Coast, and then just when the whole retirement threaten to sink beneath the sea of sentiment two things occurred to help people remember that baseball is still baseball. And then even STAN Musial museum plays for the Musial half for the other side in San Francisco Alvin dark refused to present a plaque ordered cast for museum by the giants owner Horace Stoneham quote. When the season is over dark said, I'd go anywhere for STAN Musial, but I wouldn't give anything to anybody on another team during the season and in Philadelphia while STAN was walking to the dugout after a home plate ceremony in his honor, a Philadelphia fan bellowed from the upper deck Musial, your bum. I hope you strike out every time you come up Musial smiled. It was somehow comforting to know that Philadelphia fans would never change this lists throughout the article list, some of the different honors that he was getting in real time. And so here's an example, an organization called the Vikings convivial group gave a lunch for him at his favourite Hollywood restaurant. Scandia the Vikings gave Musial cardinal red. Rocking chair and a vastly over sized old fashioned glass on which was embossed STAN, the friend. And one of the things that you get, you sort of get a sense from this, that you raise the question in this conversation of why why players announce in advance because it, it feels a little bit presumptuous that you would expect people to recognize your retirement, or just a hassle or a hassle cranky to said about no hitter hitter, the hassle. So it seems out of character to think that it would be that the, the sense you get from this article, though, is that when you're, I mean, you know, besides being a public figure ballplayers are people with jobs in their working, this is their office and they have sort of normal workplace relationships with people around them, and they want to have the opportunity to actually say goodbye in be said goodbye to in non public ways. So, like there's all these scenes of, like, you know, unpire 's coming across the to his clubhouse to say goodbye and. Folks from different teams. Tell him goodbye, you know privately before games and in order to say goodbye to someone you need to know that they're leaving in order to know that they're leaving, they have to told you that they're leaving. So this is a way, I think of just simply doing the private business of telling your friends and your coworkers that I'm retiring next year I'll probably have party. But in the meantime, just so, you know, I'm winding things down. I'll be around a little bit. I'll still be checking emails, but, you know, things we quieting down into then everybody can say goodbye. Once you have that, then there becomes a bit of a public demand to say goodbye to you in the rocking chair way. I don't I don't think that that's primarily for the player. I think that's more for a combination of more for the fans and also a little bit more kinda wanna say performance for the teams. And in fact, Andrew Baguley had a noted that a couple of weeks ago that some teams have been doing farewells for Bruce Bochy and some teams have not. And Bagley actually criticized one team for not because OG it was the nationals, and bocce had a grown up as a Washington, senators fan and also had some other connection to them. I forget what it was. And so there's a sense that if you underdo it, you might be maybe criticized or that you might be seen as, as if the other team sets the precedent they rock owing an right? Yeah. So, so that's I think all little bit part of it. And can I just I would also like to read to you, this is totally off the retirement tour topic. But it's a part of this article and it's just so good. So this is this is okay. All right. This is a conversation a dialogue between Musil and Joe Garagiola. The broadcaster old cardinal teammate, burlesque gang those players who be Mon, the passing of the good old days. All right. So this. Then making fun of players who were previous generation, and who were good old days ING things even than even to STAN Musial, like one of the ultimate guys from the good old days was already dealing with good old days ING for people from people auditing art. So this is the dialogue back then shouted Musial in mock bitterness. We didn't have any radio or any television or any writers following us around. We just played ball. That's right. Agreed garagiola. We didn't have any bats. We just played ball. We didn't have any ceremonies at home plate said, Musial we just played ball and we hit three seventy kids today. Have it too easy. We just played ball. No batting helmets. Either. Snowed gergiev. We just let our hair grow long and we just played ball. That's good. Really good, right? Yeah. Players are funny. Well, jokers yell is pretty funny. Yeah, that's good. That's good fake dialogue. I mean if you're doing fake ballplayer dialogue, that's quality stuff. I like the, the three seven hits a, there's something like very aware about the three seventy you know, 'cause it used it was easy to hit three seventy at one point. And even STAN Musial was like I only hit three thirty six and and had to deal with, like guys who were playing against like plumbers who were saying that in their days they hit three seventy three. Seventy was like some sort of like number, in vacuum anyway, last thing been you guys talked about Johnny cueto's dead horse and is. And then you talked about see Souflias retirement tour, and then you merge. Those two things into the greatest show title in history, which is was Horst retirement. And I just wanted to know if you were like holding your breath with nervousness about that because it's like so. Darshan good. Yeah. Sometimes it takes me a while to come up with the podcast title. So always glad when one just leaps into my mind never pass up of upon or some play on words. So as pretty happy with that one. All right. Zoning. That's the that's that's that, that Sam instill old episodes of podcast that he was not a right. I like the segment. I don't know if other people will put, but a lot of them were listening along. So they'll know what you're talking about. So that's good. This will be fun. Well, one thing that you will hear the two of us talk about sometime soon when you get to that old at the sewed is players giving more than one hundred percent effort. And I just wanted to tell you something about players giving less than one hundred percent effort. So there's a, a new study that I was clued into by Craig Goldstein BP, who I think intern was could into it by Ginny Searle of BP. And this is a study by Gwen Fleiss. Ig of the American sports medicine institute is been kind of a. Maneerin in pitching research, and many other co-authors also on this paper and this paper wealth, if I if I read the title, I guess it will kind of away conclusion, but it's about what happens when players are told to throw at lower levels of effort, you know, you're coming back from injury or something, and it's while he was throwing seventy five percent. Throw fifty percent ninety percent just take it easy, and, you know, that's like a part of rehab programs. It's like a set progression. He is throwing from flat ground at seventy five percent effort or something. And so the study was trying to determine whether when players are told to throw it seventy five percent effort or whatever whether they actually throw at seventy five percent effort, which is a good question that I did not know the answer to. And so they took a bunch of guys. I think they were healthy, and they had them throw from flat ground one hundred twenty feet, and they told them to throw at these different Evert levels and. They had modus sleeves attached to them. So those are those sensors with, like accelerometers and gyroscopes in them that can assess the force in the speeds involved, and I will just read the conclusion here. It says for every twenty five percent decrease in perceived effort, elbow Varis torque. So how much strain is placed on your elbow, essentially only decreased seven percent. And velocity only decreased eleven percent thus when players throw it, what they perceived to be reduced effort, their actual throwing metrics, do not decrease at the same rate as their perceived exertion. So I thought those really interesting. So when they were told to throw at seventy five percent effort, the torque was only reduced to ninety three percent of the maximum, and velocity up to eighty six percent. And then when they were told the throw it fifty percent effort. The elbow strain was still eighty seven percent of the max and velocity was still seventy eight percent of MAC. So says something. That's probably useful for people to know and they're coming up with rehab programs and trying to get players back to the field. If you tell them to throw it, a, a certain level, they're probably gonna throw harder than that. But that's kind of an interesting thing because you would think like, well maybe players, or so well tuned that they actually can calibrate it. So there's some how giving exactly seventy five percent effort, but that sounds like a difficult thing to do. And sometimes when you hear someone say, well, I'm taking a little off my fastball are, why doesn't he just take a little off, so that maybe he'll have better command or, or he'll be healthy? There is actually a another paper that Fleiss just did and sent me from another journal where they looked at the elbow strain, according to velocity. And even though it's not that telling like cross pitchers like not all hard throwers have more elbow, strain than soft throwers, because they mechanics are different and everything in general higher. Velocity is higher strain. But that's particularly true for. Within pitchers. So, like if a pitcher is gonna throw ninety five and you tell them to take a little off. There's a lot less strain involved therapies tries to go all out and throw ninety seven or something, it's way more strain. So in theory if you're telling someone will just take a little off. Maybe they can't maybe they don't exactly know how to take a little off because you're used to throwing one way and it's hard to calibrate the kind of thing. Okay. Not interested. Well, they did decrease their effort and the did. Look, I mean look, if you say throw at fifty percent effort. I don't know if I know exactly what that means. I don't know if today, well, I don't know. I don't even know in a in a perfect world. What I would think that would mean like it. If you throw ninety does that mean you should be throwing forty five if someone says throw at twenty percent effort, you would not be able to get the ball airborne. And so, does it exist like it feels to me like this is like where you set your axes in a way? And if like you say, maybe maybe, like, the, the baseline is like getting a pitch aloft, then like that would be like forty five and so then, you know seventy five percent effort might be seventy five percent of the way between forty five and ninety five rather than between ninety five zero. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. There there is a minimum. Minimum is not zero really. So I guess if you put it that way, maybe they are kind of percents between something in something. But yeah, I don't know. I did a piece a couple of days ago. About fastest fastballs, right? Each pitchers fastest fastball. So I wanted to talk to Indra Miller because one he was one of the fastest fastballs that interested may because it was considerably faster than his second fastest fastball. So he averaged ninety three last year. His second fastest fastball was like a little over like it was like ninety six and a half. And I think it's third-fastest was, like ninety five and a half and his fastest was like ninety seven and a half. And that was a most people. You most pitchers have about three to four miles an hour more for their max than for their average and some pitchers are five or six some pitchers or two or three. But even the ones who are like, like Bartolo Cologne was six, but he had shocking. That was wasn't that throws like through ninety three something ninety three point seven yet. He was something like something like ten th from the bottom average fastball, but two hundred from the bottom and max max apple. But while that is his very fastest. There was a little cluster of those, so he he had like six that, that were kinda like near that. And Miller's was more of an outline because he really he had the one, maybe if you're generous to that were up there. And so I asked if like if I if I asked him about that Pige if he remembered anything about that picci's like, well, no, I said, you know, is your fastest would that ring a bell? Not really, like he didn't really remember like you remembered throwing he like he he kind of basically remembered like what he was thinking in that plate appearance. And he remembers that plate appearance, and he remembers throwing that pitch and wanting to throw it past Adam Jones, but he doesn't remember like it coming out of his hand being. An outlier and that's, that's sort of was interesting to me. I think that's probably kinda kinda kinda common. So it was like it's not like it was in any way an accident that, that was his fastest pitch. But it also wasn't like he said, all right now, I flip the switch. This is the amusing my one young. Throwing my star punch here, right? Yeah, max marquee wrote about that similar topic for baseball perspectives, some years ago, he found as sort of you did in a kind of more dodo way that guys will throw harder against better pitchers, which you would expect and you found that everyone seems to throw their peak fastball gets Bryce Harper more so than any other hitter seemed like probably too much to be random, which is interesting. Number two, as Manny Machado, which fell kinda Manny Machado is in some ways, like they're sort of genre those. Yeah, that's true. And I mean Harper's not the best hitter, even close to. So you should save your. Best ball for Harper. But he is perceived to be better or perceived to be out. No someone you really wanna get out and say you preach back in throw. It'll harder. But that may or may not be beneficial to you. Yeah. I was surprised. So I was surprised writing that by two things. One is I thought it was going to be a lot more random than it was. I thought that a large number of these pitches. Most of them were just going to be whatever. Fastballs like that. They would be distributed among all play, roughly equally, and they were not. They were they were outliers in and they, they were used in a way that was was very notable. Like there were real trends when you group them together, as a cohort that was one thing. But the other thing was how little difference in results. There were compared to regular fastballs. There was a little bit of difference. But I expected lots of whiffs and really wild and it was only slightly wild and only slightly. More with. Yeah. And both of those things to be honest. Both of those things could pop potentially be explained by other factors because these pitches are not thrown randomly. But in particular situations in the situations themselves, might cause slightly more with and slightly more balls, or, you know, maybe not I'm just sort of hypothesizing, but there wasn't a big difference in. So now I'm just giving away all the answers that I asked in this question, and tried to tease you along in the article now, you know, but the article link to all right? We should enter a few emails before we just talk for this entire episode. So this question comes from Stewart he says, as someone who's both in avid, Red Sox, fan and casual soccer fan. I wanted to write about the upcoming Red Sox home games in London against the keys. The games are taking place in London stadium. A multipurpose facility built for the Olympic Games that has since become home to west him United reviews of it as a soccer stadium seemed to be that it lacks character. But it's modern and. A conventionally sized baseball field can fit in it. Here's what gets me their number of stadiums in England. That seemed like kindred spirits of Fenway. And one of them is even owned by Fenway sports group. If the Red Sox have to play, quote unquote home games in England, why not play them at suck. Sports. Brethren Liverpool f c is home Enfield soccer stadiums have been used for baseball before, even including Liverpool's other historic stadium. Everton's Goodison Park, the downside apart from being outside of London is that the soccer optimized playing field, even if stripped of foul territory would max out at about three hundred thirty feet down one line and two hundred thirty down the other with the deepest part being about three ninety five in what would have to be one of the alleys. So to get to my question if baseball games are going to be played in non traditional baseball countries, is it better to find a venue that matches the dimensions of baseball, or is it worth it to pick a historic local venue, that calls for warped outfield dimensions. Better for better for me. Well, better for maybe inflaming the passions of the fan base getting people interested in a sport in a territory where it's not the primary sport. I think it's a good question because d want to showcase baseball to its best advantage or it's typical guys. Or, or do you want to present it in a place where people are comfortable already, and they have some attachment to it? And so, porting baseball into that place that they Ardy have some thoughtless for may make them more. Receptive to baseballer, or maybe they could more easily. Imagine themselves watching baseball if it's taking place in a stadium where they Ardy. What sports? Well, imagine the reverse. Imagine that there was going to be a big cricket tournament, and you're going to go to it, and it could be in either, like it could be on some like, let's say could be I don't know what is cricket pitch. Look like what's what shape is it? It's like a glob in my head. I I've only seen cricket played on a big flat field. That was like kinda rectangular in it was. And so then you'd think you'd you'd play it on, like a soccer field on the soccer pitch or which I've never been to a soccer field like I've never been to soccer stadium. I don't know where am I going with this, or I was gonna say or you could play it in a in baseball stadium that I'm very comfortable in, and I've been to a bunch in the I know where the good concessions are, but it would be strangely shape in and I would not even know that it was strangely shaped because I don't know. I'm not feeling like this hypothetical rephrasing. The question is getting any closer to. I feel like it's actually giving me, no clarity. Also, to thirty though. Yeah. To really extreme. Yeah. So I don't know. The thing about it is, do you feel like if you wanna ask, well, what would be more interesting for an American audience watch? Ching games on TV or what would be more pleasing for an American audience watching games on TV that would be different question than what would be better for a London audience that presumably doesn't for the most part doesn't know that much about baseball hasn't watched that much baseball and for whom of two hundred and thirty foot home run would not seem like a travesty or strange in any way because for all they know. That's how baseball is played. And so in the in, in that sense, you'd say, well, yeah, you'd go to the venue, where people already have more attachment where they're going to be more comfortable and you don't really worry about how much the game Hughes to traditional play because nothing is going to seem discordant to people who don't have baked in baselines. But I don't think that is the purpose of these games primarily, I think that for the most part, major league baseball is is trying to preserve the integrity of their champion. Chip season as much as possible, while while experimenting a little bit with a new market, and new locale. And there's a small sacrifice to expose the game to another continent, but they're not willing to make. I don't think they really wanna make a big sacrifice. I don't think that they wanna have the league's homerun champ be determined by the eight home runs that someone hits over the two hundred thirty foot wall over three games eary's. Yeah. That's a good point. This is not an exhibition series. So he don't wanna compromise the competition in the play. I think when you're trying to introduce or to a new audience, you want to meet those people on their territory as much as you, can you want to try to show them, how it could fit into their lives. So I wouldn't want MLB like while you have to build us a baseball stadium. Or we won't come in play for you a think that we should play in, in the pre existing structures and make the best of it in this case, though, we're talking about. Scenario where they're already is a stadium where people go to see matches all the time. So London stadium is in. That's already the home of a soccer team here in, we're just talking about the difference between that kind of blender facility and one with more history. And I don't think that's really that important consideration because this is a place where people there, go to sporting events all the time they feel comfortable. I don't know that putting it in infielder or some other historic place, would make them that much more receptive to baseball. And if it distorts the true nature of baseball, I don't think that's worth the benefit, so because there is a natural home for it where you wouldn't have to have a two hundred thirty foot outfield fence that I think probably just make sense to have it in one in stadium. But if there were no lended stadium if it were like the difference between playing an infield and like forcing them to build up field somewhere or something that I would say just compromise. And you want people to like your sport. So beat them on their own territory. So I don't actually know what the point of this is. And I don't mean that in dismissive rhetorical since I don't actually know what the point of this is what why are they in London? Just introduced the game to incidental. But what like it's not like Europe is unaware of baseball like they've is so they've, I mean, they're aware of it. They know baseball is baseball's Ben a thing that they've played in the colonies forever. They so is the and so, like it's not like it makes sense. For instance, to play games in baseball in countries where baseball is a thing because then that's the sort of it's a diplomatic outreach. It's a way of saying, like we're all in the same, you know, we're all part of the same sport we're all part of the same ecosystem and. And, you know, were we would like to have a relationship you, you are sister city? It's a little, it's a different thing when you go to a country that has its sports that isn't probably in any real way interested in, in taking yours. And so if they're I don't know if they're trying to convince Londoners to pick up baseball or if they're just trying to sell a hundred thousand tickets for two games, or whatever how many games are playing in like, it's the, the point of it is to get the money, right there. And then, like it makes a little bit more sense to have football because football play in London, because football is a sport that is not already international. It is an American sport. And at some point, you might think, hey, let's try to spread this around the world. But baseball is already an international sport and the countries that don't play it presumably have chosen not to they've had their chance. They, it's they're just that's not their sport. They. Similar sports instead. And so it feels like it's not particularly ripe for evangelism or for whatever you Commissioner Jerry outreach of the sort. So like, again, that's what I'm saying. I don't know what the goal is. I don't know if the goal is to convince Londoners who are at the game. That is a great sport in that they should host more baseball games. Or if it's that they think that Great Britain is going to watch these games on TV because they're happening in their country, even though baseball games are already, you can already watch them if you want to just being played in other countries like you don't have to be in London to watch a game that's being played in London. The game doesn't have to be played in London to watch it. If you live in London already, so I'm kind of confused of just what the, the outreaches here, and I kind of feel like the point of it is actually, to get me to watch it to get Americans to watch it because this is something a little different in which case then. Then it's becomes a different question. If the actual audience is Americans in, it's a little bit different. Yeah, that's a different answer potentially, but I think it could be both. I think even though baseball is an international sport. It's not everywhere in. I don't know that you can say that, like other countries have rejected it. I think maybe they just haven't had the outreach, yet at some point it spread in some way, because it was exported in, maybe there really hasn't been attempt to export it. So I mean, those games are going to be well attended of you say, there are a lot of ex pats there will go. And there's a small, but thriving, British baseball community from what I understand and know of the internet. So those people will be happy and I think it's a little different. Even if you know that the sport exists if the sports says you're important to us, and we want you to like us again. We're, we're coming to, to your backyard. You don't have to come. Meet us will come to you and. Time zone is an obstacle for usually watching baseball in England. And so will be on your time zone and not only recovering, but we're bringing our fabled rivalry, the Yankees and the Red Sox were were not giving you Marlins versus razor something. So this is gonna be the marquee matchup. And, and I think it's good. I don't know that England will be the, the new Japan, her something in terms of liking baseball, but it can't be bad to, to spread it around. And we can still watch those games and follow them. So, yeah. What would you do? If you if you're in, if you were the major league baseball executive in charge of growth in Europe, what would you do? Well, I'd probably try to foster participation among amateurs and, and know their various amateur baseball programs in a bunch of European countries. So I guess I'd send over coaches and equipment and try to get kids interested in the game. Probably hope that they grow up to want to keep playing. Watching baseball. Yeah. I think that's what I do too. I think that's probably where I would go more than when this. But again, I'm not a I don't know enough about the motives. I don't know enough about the current business model to say what the point is year or how successful so I'm not trying to dismiss it in any way. Okay. All right. Chrissy says I was listening to recent podcasts where benenson discussed the potential merits of switching pitchers during at that it led me to think about why teams don't try new things that may give them a competitive advantage, down the line could be an effective and lead to upset players managers less trust in the future. It cetera. However, I'm sure other teams wouldn't mind. Better observing new tactics to see their effectiveness this led me to an odd idea could a competitive team. Try to outsource trials of new tactics to a noncompetitive team. For example. What if the Astros offered a mid tier prospect to the Marlins to try out switching pitchers mid at that this may seem like it be collusion, but hypothetically, what would teams pay to have a half season of trying out? New tactics without any rim affiliations for their own teams. Well, this would make a lot more sense if you didn't already have eight teams under your aegis. I mean it just feels like the real question is how come we're not. How can we don't see more of this in the minor leagues it does happen from time to time you know, like the, the Astros in the piggybacking starters is an example, that for instance, got a lot of attention the dodgers. But it was kind of a brief little moment where the dodgers got attention for having a lot of their minor leaguers, playing out of position or not out of position, but playing a lot of different positions. And also batting in a lot of different parts of the batting order that they would get used to being ballplayers instead of seeing themselves as a particular type of hitter at a particular position, so things like that have been experiments that have been used in the minor league level. But you would think that if you wanted to try. I something like this. It would make a lot more sense to use players who are already working for you and to do it at games that are already widely appreciated to be developmental in nature more than purely competitive. And you would be absolutely roasted both you in the team that you were colluding with if you were if you were to try this in the major leagues. Yeah. And plus everyone can see what happens. So all the other teams are getting really the same insight that you are, or at least the one team that you're outsourcing it to is, so you're not really getting any information advantage there. So I agree that there are better ways that you could do this. Or you could perhaps in the way, that MLP is currently maybe have like a sister team in the independent leagues where you have some sort of relationship like when we were doing the suppers thing, there was a team that we were talking to write about potentially having the stoppers be like a laboratory for that. Him and it didn't happen. But there was a conversation about that. So you could do that kind of thing. So I think they're places where you wouldn't have to worry quite as much about the ramifications and you could kind of keep the incites secret so that would make more sense. All right, questioned from Emilia via Anton Antanas, sending a question from his daughter, Amelia, Amelia, says will we ever have another universally retired number like Jackie Robinson's? What could occur player due to make that happen? Well that, that is to questions because we could have a universally retired number, and it might not be current player at all. Yes. Risa minute, the it seems to me that more likely than any other scenario is that the movement that the, the, the sometimes movement to get Roberto clementes, number retired would would be adopted MO. More likely than anything that I could imagine, you know, Blake Snell doing, but or snow for that matter, who is mentioned in the second to last episode of the Jeff years. I love the snow. Remember, Ian Snell, do. Yeah. I don't know if I loved him but yeah. L had a year with Pittsburgh, where he, I guess he didn't you gotta start. Did he have a start? He had a crazy start where he had like thirteen strikeouts. No auction something like that he had one of those things and I don't know. I always with. Yeah he did have a good year. I feel like I remember Ian Snell being. Well, did he though? Well. Pretty good. I for some reason, I remember thinking, Ian Snell was a good breakout candidate. That's what I remember. Maybe based on one start. All right. So, but so let's put so I don't do you want to? I don't know if you have anything to say about the Clemente situation, the Clemente idea, but we could also talk about the more abstract current player thinking that Amelie. Yeah I mean current player, I don't know. I mean, I think the first woman in major league baseball, the anther Seth Ginny Baker scenario. That would be a very natural fit. I think possibly the first publicly gay player for player to come out. I don't know minute has to be a trailblazer. Obviously someone who likes breaks down barriers because they don't hand out. These retired everywhere numbers, very easily took an it took what fifty years before. They retired. Jackie Robinson's number. Yeah. So it's not like you can just be. Be really great or really well loved, and that would do it. You you'd have to can't even think of other than like being the first to, to be a person who was that kind of person who was in the majors. I don't know what else could do. And it's you know, in, in some ways, it's hard because Jackie Robinson came along at a time when baseball was such a huge part of culture, such a huge part of the world that what he accomplished was in no way limited to baseball that his role in society was massive that he is one of the defining in, in a lot of ways. He is one of the defining political actors historical figures of the twentieth century. And baseball is no longer probably in that in that part of the culture. So it's hard. It's probably hard to imagine anything that you could do in baseball right now. That would have you in general textbook. Six seventy five years from now the way that Jackie Robinson. Absolutely is. And so that might be an honest on the other hand now that Jackie Robinson number is retired universally, there's that precedent in. So it might not be as difficult to get the moment to have a number retired as as it was for, for Jackie Robinson. Yeah. That's all I can think of Shohei Ohtani, TRU two way player. Probably not. Is he? I mean. Is there there, there has to be some cultural social relevance to your career? You have to be an inspiring figure boundary breaker in some way. And so that there are only so many options that are coming to my mind. Yeah. I will update you think of something later. It's, it's okay that we can't of many because they're probably shouldn't be many. So it should be a rare honour so, that's, that's all right. Okay. Do you have a step list? I sure do. So my friend, Mike who put together the two thousand fifteen Pacific association, simulation thing, which have you mentioned that on here. No push it in the face. All right. So anyway, he's my friend, Mike. He's currently simulating the twenty fifteen Pacific association season. By the way, this is not related to the stat last, but he sent me an Email yesterday, letting me know that he had brought Sean Conroy in to the middle of the fifth inning with bases-loaded, even though he had been used for like, seventy six pitches the day before and Conroy got out of it, right. Paul. Also, by the way, hasn't ERA of about three in this sim exit. Oh man, I, I would love to live that I would love to live another season of Paul and Taylor ease. Yes to see I 'cause I do still feel like definitely they in the right year both of those could have turned out to be stars in early anyway. Mike listened to your conversation, our conversation about clay Bellinger signing giving you your autograph any told me that his first autograph was ROY Smalley ROY Smalley and he brought this up because he's. Been thinking a lot about ROY Smalley recently in relation to Cody Bellinger, in the reason, is that in nineteen seventy nine ROY Smalley was in credible. He I don't know how much you know about Smalley, but Smalley was drafted five times. This was back in the days where there was a draft in June secondary draft in January for people who I think maybe what didn't sign or didn't declare or something they didn't. They somehow were reality in January. So Smalley was drafted five times, including first overall in the nineteen seventy four January phase of the draft. He was the nephew of Jean mock in the son of ROY Smalley the nineteen forties shortstop. And so he was he had a lot of reason to think that he'd be really good in nineteen seventy eight. He was really good. He had a six war season and then in nineteen seventy nine everything came together. And so he was hitting four away. Eight on may twentieth which I believe is one day earlier than Cody Bellinger, lost his four hundred this year. But he even after that kept raking. He was hitting three ninety two on June first with, by the way at ton of power, and what's the date today? Ben today is June fourteenth on June fourteenth of that year. He was hitting three seventy six four fifty five seventy five which is remarkably similar to Bellinger, except with a little bit less power. But that's not surprising. It was nineteen seventy nine and this is two thousand nineteen in the baseball is flying. Smalley was shortstop. He was a rated as about an above at a little bit above average shortstop for the years before that, and the years after that. So he was probably a pretty good defensive shortstop. I don't know what his war is was at the time, but it was probably comparable to bellinger's any hit, ZOA gave you the on June fourteenth in. And then he kept hitting basically until July fourth when he. More or less like peaked a he had a higher. He had higher numbers earlier in the year. But if you're just going like the peak of his season when he had the biggest sample of the best stats, it would probably be July fourth. He went two for four with the Homer, and an intentional walk and at that point, he was hitting three seventy two four fifty to five ninety five with twelve sacrifice buns. By the way. And, and then and then he just then he stopped that was it. He went over four the next day and his opium dropped sixty eight of the final eighty four days of the season. He was hitting three seventy two on July fourth. He was hitting two ninety nine by August twenty seventh. And he wasn't done. He ended up at two, seventy one. He went from three seventy two July fourth two to seventy one at the end of the years, opium dropped from one thousand forty six to seven ninety four. He was still had a good year. Still had a good year four and a half. More season got him VP votes, and so on. But, you know, he he was Bellinger ask, and he was great. He seemed like a great ball player already. And then and then he did that. And so Mike for cruel. Reasons has taken to thinking, well, nothing is guaranteed in every Cody Bellinger. Could be xactly as bad as as ROY Smalley going forward. And that's a fine way of it's a it's a harsh way of you in the world. But it basically is saying that no more is guaranteed to you than has been guaranteed to the very worst precedent that has ever come before. And so I wanted to see if ROY Smalley is in fact, the worst president, the worst president of a first half deteriorating into a second half. And so I looked at T O P s plus inches players, opiates, Jeff Sovan favorite as you'll learn. And so it's his opium in, in the split compared to his opiates overall and smallest first half in nineteen seventy nine is in fact, the I think it's fifth best t- opiates plus ever with some minimum number plate appearances, but it's not the best. It's not even really close to the best. So the best is actually Brennan Bosch, in Brennan, Bosh in two thousand ten as a rookie came up in the first half he hit three forty two three ninety seven five ninety three. I mean, I kinda remember that I remember Brennan Bosch, being a rookie and hitting in not really. He wasn't supposed to be that great. I don't think at the time. And so it was like, wow. And then he he did much worse after that. And then he settled into a career that didn't last that long in wasn't that distinguished, but had some moments but Bosh TOPS plus was one sixty. Seven he hit one sixty three to thirty seven to twenty two in the second half. So he went from a almost thousand opiates to four fifty in the second half. And so, we're, of course, not at the end of the first half yet for Bellinger. But if we take Mike's pessimistic, assumption that whatever the worst of us can do all of us can do. And that Brennan, bashes second collapse is within the range of, what Cody Bellinger could do than we could imagine, Cody Bellinger, hitting in the second half as bad as this hyp Hy designing that Brennan botched did Cody Bellinger would have an on base percentage of to sixty eight in the second half a slugging percentage of two sixty five in the second half and he would still end up with an opium of the for the season. With an on base percentage of about three sixty five and a slugging percentage of four eighty five which is actually better than he. He did last year. So even if he bought it, he would he would still end up better than he was last year, which is pretty impressive. But so, but that's not my point. That's not actually my step last. I reject. I reject wholeheartedly Mike and his, his presumptions, I believe that we need to consider the alternate, which is that whatever the best of us has ever done. So may we all? And so I looked for who had the most improvement in the second half and the most improvement in the second half ever was Casey Stangl in nineteen fifteen Casey Stangl his first half TOPS plus was forty two. So I like to imagine that Cody Bellinger, could also end up with a first-half TOPS plus of forty two which would me. Which, of course would mean that he would be much better in the second half. How much better to match Casey Stangl? Well, he would have in this scenario, a slugging percentage of thirteen forty five and an on base percentage of seven eighty seven. It is in my opinion, just as likely as the Brennan Bausch. So, so that's what we have possibly to look forward to Cody Bellinger, seven eighty seven on base percentage and thirteen forty five slugging percentage in the second half to give him a TOPS. Plus, I have a forty whatever I said and just to end this. I was gonna go try to find some buddy in some split that would be comparable to Cody Bellinger. But I got waylaid by this. Totally unrelated thing in two thousand Mark McGwire reached thirty seven three in one counts. Okay. Reached three and one thirty seven times I should actually check this. It's possible that I miss ribs. Hang on his. I think this is right. If it's not then you don't even have to hear it. No, I got it right. All right. So he reached thirty seven three one counts after those thirty seven three one counts. So this is not on three one is after three months, the going forward from those thirty seven thirty seven three one counts. He made three outs. How he not even three. Oh, these aren't even intentional walks. Right. Because it would make sense. He got intentionally walked lots after three. Oh, he was pretty good. None of these were even intentional so thirty seven three one counts. He went on to walk thirty one times Homer. Three times and make three outs. He had a five hundred nine nineteen two thousand slash line. In thirty seven after thirty seven three one counts. Mar mcguire. I don't I don't know how much you remember his final either the sort of like late stage. Bad foot Mark Maguire where he could hardly play. But, like Tony LaRussa would have him pinch hit in the first inning. And that would be his whole his whole game. And. He would strike out a lot, but he would hit a lot of home runs anyway. So Mark Maguire in nineteen ninety eight hit seventy home runs. And he did that in six hundred eighty one plate appearances, so six, eighty one in his final two seasons has hobbled seasons. He had six hundred eighty five plate appearances so basically exactly the same number of plate appearances, and he hit sixty one home run in his final two seasons. Now, of course you know why, but he hit sixty one home runs in the equivalent of a full season. And then he quit, then he walked away and do you remember his retirement. No. I did not remember this either, but this is the anti STAN Musial, okay, not only did he not have a retirement tour. He announced his retirement by fax ESPN and then went on vacation before the cardinals could call him. So he they. So there's all these, like, basically, he, he faxed his retirement statement that said the cardinals and I agreed on a two year extension last spring. But I've decided I wouldn't be worth it. So I'm going to retire instead, and then the, you know, ESPN went to the cardinals and they're like, that's really weird. We have not heard anything. They were kind of light Tony LaRussa. I would believe he would have told the cardinals I the guy's a first class guy. Find it hard to believe he wouldn't call the owners or Walt Jocketty first, but he didn't. He heard about the facts from ESPN and the quotes from the cardinals are all were trying to find Mark. He's in Mexico. We haven't talked to him yet. We'll let you know. And that's weird. Well, what a way to go. Yeah. So anyway, that's Mark Maguire after three one count. All right. Well, I'm glad you finally got TOPS plus to one of your step. Class at teen some people who amending the lack of TOPS. Plus, I think there were lots of TOPS plus play indexes band test. I've probably, yeah. All right. Good. Fact, we did a whole. I think we didn't I think I did a play index on the best TOPS pluses for every split. So, like what's the highest anybody ever did in any count? What's the highest anybody ever did in any scenario? And some I don't remember what the what the goal that was. But it was looking at things like that anyway, go, okay. Can I do more quick one? All right. This one comes from Jake m while traveling for work. I was able to go to Portland seadogs game. The AA affiliate of the bus in Red Sox previously of the Florida Marlins in their stadium. They had a well, dedicated to seadogs hall of famers, which was ultimately a list of alumni with success in the majors, the while included players like Mukhi. Bets. Andrew Benintendi, Dustin Pedroia at cetera. This made me think if there were a true minor league baseball hall of fame who would be those players that had great careers indoor seasons in the minors. Are there any players who had a minor league season with a war similar to major league players? Similarly are there lifelong minors players with very high career war without extended time in the majors. So I won't exactly enter this. I don't have minor league career war. But it is kind of an interesting philosophical question about what a minor league baseball hall of fame would look like I believe there still isn't one. There are many leagues that have their own health aims, minor leagues there. I'm sure many teams that have their own minor leagues. And there's a an article a link to win the southern league got a hall of fame. This was from a mile dot com in twenty fifteen and they talked to various people who are involved in making minor league coliforms, and it sounds like they just kind of left it up to each team. Like who's nominated or how you decide, who to induct. So the question is, do you just want to do what the dogs did, which is, basically, like guys who graduated and went onto big Greer's and wrote honor to your minor league affiliate having passed through on their way to bigger and better things and probably like dominated the league while they were there or do you wanna go with the lifers? The ones who racked up the most career value for that league or that team even if they never got to the majors or or didn't really make it, which is I don't know, which I would say because on the one hand no-one aspires to be in a minor league hall of fame because they couldn't make major said they just got stuck in the minors. But on the other hand, which hand I'm announce, but it is an accomplishment to be recognized if you are rate in that league. So I think like my Kesselman is in the AAA hall of Famer internationally call fame. So he's the career. Egner league homerun leader who never had much of a career in the majors. So there should be room for the Hessman of the world. Yeah, it's there's something sort of cruel about baseball only recognizing those that make it the top. We don't like we many of us are able to get recognition in our careers in our lives in the, the world's that we live in, even though the world, we live in are not the very top of are possible profession like the like you can get recognized a lot of ways. And it's that's great about the world. Like my. Well, no. Anyway. What was I going to say knows, you'll never know. But in baseball we act like we there is a, there is a sadness to Mike Hessman career that that is a little bit unfortunate. Mike has been played a very long time at the second highest level baseball in the United States against a lot of great players and trying to make that in big you ass-. Well, we can't help but make an empty use, and it's a little bit as a little bit sad. But yeah, I, I agree. I mean, I think that the it is, you, you do have to decide like, are you going to put someone in the hall of fame based on what they did not in your league in which case you end up with monkey bets and Dustin Pedroia, or you're gonna put them in the league based on what they did in the hall of fame based on what they did in your league and risk turning it into a, a spotlight on the players kind of limitations like. You only got here and then you got stuck here and I don't know. I mean I. Given the way that we treat minor leagues given the the emphasis on constantly moving up given the feeling that it has all subservient to what happens to the major leagues. I almost feel like you can't have a hall of fame. You just need to not do it. His name to like, that's not what we're gonna do. Or maybe not for players. You know have it for executives. Or whatever. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah. It's like your goal as a players to spend a little time in that league as possible. So you don't wanna be in the hall of fame and it's almost like comes off, as like needy or something if you're like, the, the minor league level that this guy was at for a season or something, he couldn't wait to get out of there in your like he's our hall of Famer it's he didn't want to be in your league. So, yeah, it's but I would kinda like if you had a place to recognize like the quadruple guys who did dominate their league. So, maybe if you just said, like, well, in a sense like you're a minor league call Famer if you leave if you graduate and you get to the big league. So we're not gonna count those guys were just gonna count the guys who accumulated the most value for their teams in this league. And I think if I were one of those guys still wanna be in that hall of fame. I mean, it would be a reminder of the fact that you got. Stuck there. And you never got to make it to the next level for long, but I'd still want to be recognized for what I pushed at that level. I think so. Yeah. So have a Hessman hall of fame. That's fine. Okay. All right. I don't think you could hurt them though. It's weird a few of. Yeah. A Hessman hall of fame in a- Mookie Betts, all fame, that's less. Like if you had, like the most extraordinary minor league season ever, maybe you could get in for a single season. Even if you got promoted and left, but you just like laid waste to the league and you said every single season record in that league in that year, then I could save maybe putting you in there. It's a jumble, it would be a weird hall of fame for shirt. Yes. And specially the weird thing about putting Hessman in there is that you, you kinda have to rename it like you don't you have to make it like the hall of accomplishment or something. Yeah. 'cause it's very definitely not fame that you're getting. Yeah. This is true. All right. Okay. 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The Sporting Life: 5/1/20

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

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The Sporting Life: 5/1/20

"Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy Shabby. We'll bring the next hour. Jeremy Takes a trip through baseball history including a conversation about one of the greatest players of all time Yogi Berra. My father told me that this was one of the most dynamic baseball players he'd ever seen in his life and that's usually the way we think of. We think of Yoga means overshadowed by his persona. He's so much better as a baseball pires than I ever thought. I mean he was the best player on the team in baseball history. End A discussion. About how bud? Selig brought baseball back to Milwaukee and change the sports landscape idea of bringing the Seattle pilots was as bug field so that the very last June had that efforts failed. There may not be big league baseball in Milwaukee today and a whole generation of fans including me would either become standard twenty fans or maybe just focused on the Green Bay packers plus the story of one of the greatest collections of hitters. To not win the world series. The nineteen ninety-five Cleveland Indians. It was really a perfect storm of a team that had been built from the ground up years in advance. And this franchise moves into this beautiful new ballpark in downtown. Cleveland and timing could not have been more perfect the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Shop. Welcome to another edition of the sporting life. By this time we would be about a month into the major league. Baseball Season Opening Day was supposed to be March twenty sixth and of course there is no baseball and we don't know whether baseball is going to be back this season at all whether it will be back with no fans in the stands a lot of permutations being discussed but right now more uncertainty than anything else but for the next hour. We'll talk about baseball. History will talk about baseball analytics with some of the smartest minds that have covered the gain. We start with our old friend. The senior baseball writer at the Athletic Keith Law. His new book is the inside game. Bad call strange moves in what baseball behavior teaches us about ourselves. Lot To unpack their key. Thank you for joining us. Thanks so Keith. First of all. Let's start with the absence of baseball from our lives. Right now You're someone whose life revolves around the game. Who's always immersed in the game? What is this for you? It's very strange. Certainly we are You at a point in the calendar ordinarily I'd be finishing updrafts owning hitting some minor league games and starting to prepare mock drafts. The baseball draft is still tentatively scheduled for June tenth. But of course there's some uncertainty around when the draft will be or how many rounds might entail and so I'm in a holding pattern and feeling a bit sort of addressed in as much as the running joke is sort of what day is today for me. It's sort of what month is it right. I look outside and think I should be doing baseball but there was no baseball for me and that is so much. I appreciate the time home with the family. There's absolutely a poll. There that Says No. You're supposed to be out watching players writing the things and it is very very strange to not have that as a regular feature of my life especially this time in the calendar. Yeah Baseball's such a part of the rhythm of our lives once it gets started in late March early April and it's just there for the next seven eight months a and and I think people are really feeling the absence I have a friend Who's in his sixties? Who is recovering from? Cova nineteen right now. Thankfully he's doing well and he's texting me every couple of days when his baseball back? That's all he wants his baseball back. Because he's one of these guys who watches you know one hundred fifty games a year if he can. He's a mets fan so he's a glutton for punishment but it is. It is so strange not to have it again. We're speaking with Keith Law. He is a senior baseball writer at the athletic and his new book is the inside game. Bad calls strange moves in what baseball behavior teaches us about ourselves. And of course what you were writing this book We could not have foreseen the situation which we find ourselves but it's perhaps more applicable now thinking about baseball. In the way we think about the game than it was before The pandemic what do you mean when you say that baseball behavior tells US something about ourselves? The way people in baseball behavior to come to the business of the game. Baseball is very much. A series of discrete events. Does this series of discrete decisions. It's fairly easy for us to isolate specific choices whether it's a managerial choice with any game or general managers decision to sign a player trade a player or scouting director's decision on what player their draft or even more generally what type of player to draft. And so it allows me to sort of go both ways if you don't know anything about behavioral economics. It's not at least when was in college. I partially major economic in college. We didn't do a lot of this stuff to learn it all adult. You don't know this stuff. I can explain a lot of these concepts. I think fairly simply using baseball examples. Because how often in life do you have something like that where you can really isolate specific decision or have fairly specific data on a series of choices made over a long period of times? You can look and say this works. This doesn't it really allowed me to again. I think it's a big this material more accessible and at the same time. Tell some fun baseball stories. I LOVE TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL DECISIONS. That did or didn't work. I loved delving through years of draft results. To look at okay. Was it actually a bad idea to take high school pitcher in the first round? Yeah turns out of Kinda. Is that stuff? I always want to write books that I think I would like to read if I were on the other end and this allowed me to do that to tell fun interesting stories in baseball history. I hope book get them to a length that no one had looked at them through war. We're speaking with Keith Law. A senior baseball writer for the athletic. His new book is the inside game. Bad calls strange moves in what baseball behavior teaches us about ourselves. Of course the bad decision stuff is is fascinating historically I remember I used to host a show on. Espn classic We would have some the most distinguished baseball writers sports journalists. Have all time on the show. Guys like Leonard Kopp. It who I guess is kind of the The grandfather is it fair to save analytics not only baseball but also in basketball somebody who covered the game away. The kind of delve deeper and you SAV disagreement We talk about we did a segment once about. What's the worst trade ever you know there's always What is it early? Braulio? I mean I'm sorry It's Braulio Lou Brock Right. And I'd say yet that's terrible That's terrible Leonard. But what about Amos Roussy for Christy Mathewson? The reds traded Christy Mathewson. Right who had not yet appeared in the major leagues? And he would go on win. What three seventy three or three eighty three three hundred seventy? Three Games frames roussy. Who'd been a great pitcher but was washed up at one like four games for the reds or something like that. He said well that doesn't count because they couldn't have known that was going to happen and I'm like well. That's the whole point though Leonard but it still ends up. I don't know what I'm saying. I have no idea actually right now. What I'm saying Keith. But what what does that. Is that a terrible trade or is there a difference between terrible trades based on outcome terrible decisions versus it's known UNKNOWNS UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS? I guess is what I'm trying to say absolutely well one of the things you got there in. The debate is outcome by seems to me. Like Leonard was probably falling in that particular argument for outcome by Association. Say INTO THE TRAP OF BIAS. Which is one of the ones. I discussed in the inciting more the mini cognitive biases. And I think one of the easiest to understand essentially outcome bias is judging an outcome sorry judging process by the outcome or by the results I worked therefore it was a good idea. That's not true. That's what I'm saying. Everyone can understand their own lives right. You had something where you said. I did all the right things and it still didn't work. That's the difference between process and outcomes and they use the example in the book of Bob Bradley in the two thousand one world series and was managing Arizona diamondbacks and did kind of everything wrong for seven games but the diamondbacks still won the world series. Did Bob Bradley do a good job? Was He a good manager? Or was he simply a manager who was standing nearby when Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling? Pretty much won the world series for the diamondbacks. I choose the latter bad process. Good outcome do not let us fall into the outcome. Bias of saying Bradley's process must have been good because they won when can look at the individual decisions with data with actual evidence and say. No these were bad decisions and individually. They may not have worked out but on the whole the series as a whole workout for the diamondbacks. And we can judge those two things separately. Keith law again you can read them at. The athletic is new book is the inside game. Bad calls strange moves in what baseball behavior teaches us about ourselves. We couldn't really do it. Justice in the time allotted but I recommend it keep. Thanks so much for being here on the show again Mike. Leisure thanks for having. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP Yogi Berra was one of the great baseball players of all time. One of the great winners in the annals of sport but he meant more to people than just a great baseball player typically would there was a lot of humor out him and some unintentional philosophy. Is well now. Lawrence Peterborough is the subject of a new book by our old friend. One of the great sports journalists of our time John Pasa his book is simply Yogi a life behind the mask John. Thank you for joining us. Jeremy It's my pleasure. John I mean I let me start by saying Yogi? Berra's one of those guys and I have like many people tremendous fondness for him and I In appreciation for him probably more than most people having known him a little and growing up in New York Being around him. What more do we need to know about Yogi Berra that we don't already know? Well I'll tell you I threes. I did this book was my I got Yogi and nineteen sixty when I was eight years old and he was a role paying outfielder for very strong Yankee teams very good role. Play a role player. My he was my father's favorite player. My father told me that this was one of the most dynamic baseball players who ever seen in his life. And that's not usually the way we think of you. Think of Yoga means overshadowed by his persona so I really wanted to go back just at the beginning and just look at this tremendous baseball player and he was so much better. And I'm a huge baseball fair but he's so much better as a baseball player than I ever thought. He was the best player on the best team in baseball history. Well he won those MVP awards when the Yankees were winning all those world series. They won the world series and forty nine fifty fifty one fifty two fifty three he was the MVP in fifty one fifty four and fifty five and this is at a time that you Mickey Mantle was coming into his own. He was about to win the triple crown and fifty six. Ted Williams was still doing remarkable things. There was a lot of tough competition in the American league but Yogi Berra was the MVP in three of those seasons. What made him so great. two things one. He was just a tremendous hitter on right from the start. This guy was a twenty home. Run one hundred. Rbi to eighty three twenty hitter Out of the catcher slot where the catch was expected to play. Defense and to call pitches and that was it and actually the first year of of yogis career There was there was a very very chance he was been outfielder catcher. And it wasn't until Casey stangl came in and realized if I have a hard hitting catcher Then I have something special and brings him built dickey. They fix mechanical problems with with. Yoga's pitchers hated pitching to him. In his first two years He cleans up the mechanics. and Yogi now becomes almost overnight the best catcher in the American league and one of the true talents. I had no idea. How do you have a near photographic memory of of baseball and he could tell you how to get somebody out in the fourth inning with a man on second that we did four and a half years ago Here's the right pitch and the players. Just you know turn completely turned around because that is an incredible weapon to have. Plus you as a fielder. Was you know as good now better than anyone? We're speaking with longtime sports writer and editor John Pass. His new book is Yogi a life behind the mask biography of Lawrence. Peter Barra probably one of the thirty greatest baseball players ever to live and one of only a few athletes. North American major sports history with as many as ten championship rings. But when I think of Yogi John I think about Some of the contradictions. You know one of the great athletes of all time but not in an athlete's body right. How did that lead people to misjudge him in the beginning? I think that you know his Bonnie. I'll tell you this to one general one specific part of it that literally changes baseball history. The the general is you you look at him and you know equipment managers. When he walked into his minor league teams would give him a uniform To the uniform because they thought he would say to try out not that he was part of a team He just didn't look like an athlete. He had a toll person upper body a short persons lower body. A long arm big shows a hidden neck But when he stepped the field He was just an incredible player. The Guy who was who is supposed to be the greatest judge of talent in part because he could look at a sixteen year old and figure out what he was going to look like. He's twenty one named branch rickey greatest talent evaluate ever. He takes one look at Yogi and the size and tells them to face your no more than AAA baseball player and I need people who go all the way and so instead of a playing for the cardinals team or when the cardinals make the mistake playing for the ground Who then become the Orioles and this drives orioles fans crazy when I tell them that? Yogi Berra in his prime would have been catcher for the Baltimore Orioles He makes this gigantic mistake and he loves joke. Hours Yoyogi best friend across the street neighbor. Who literally is six one hundred and seventy five pounds and absolutely look like baseball player and is very good but it wasn't Yogi Berra. John Speaking with John. About his new biography of Yogi Berra and as I tried to suggest in early. Didn't you know the thing about Yogi? Berra it's not just the achievements on the field. Obviously but it's This aura about him and it and I was random lot. I interviewed him on a number of occasions. And there was this charm and this warped about him although he could be tough but but People thought he was this guy Who had this endless stream of unintentionally? Funny one liners this kind of stuff. It actually interviewing Yogi was an easy. Wasn't somebody who actually fit the way the people people noam thought of him you know his persona his public thing wasn't the real Yogi. Can you explain that disconnect a little bit and wide exists? Well I mean definitely wasn't Yogi was always A quiet if not shy person the only place the Yogi fell a hundred percent comfortable was on any ball field where he was always a best player and you could see through his life. The people who talked for and Joe Garagiola who helped with Yogi `ISMs then became Phil Rizzuto and other very talkative person His wife was eloquent. Ron Guidry. Later in his life becomes of these yogi whisper and he he was just naturally that way it was also the youngest of four boys and in you know in five kids and then the. Talian families father you know as as most fathers of that era they ruled with an iron fist. And you know I think he learned to be quiet that way. Because you didn't talk until you were. You were spoken to. And his father was a man of few words in fact all of the of the of the kids In Yoga family quite sorts. But I think to. He faced a lot of discrimination because he was a Cowan and he faced a lot of abuse because of his look because of his physical stature And because sometimes he would you know when he did talk a mangle the language and I think that Yogi just having such an appreciation for how it felt to be looked down upon and he could never bring himself to do that because he knew felt like. And and that's first of all it's rare and people second of all it's really rare among athletes and you'll give us just this guy who who liked and love people and I think people felt that and just so instantly comfortable around him I saw. This must be twenty years ago. There was a there. Aren't a lot of baseball players. Who had one man plays written about them? That were actually performed on Broadway and I saw. I saw the Yogi. Show bengals ARA. I mean one of the great actors of the second. Half of the Twentieth Century Played Yogi. I did a story about saw the play and you know I think Yogi never saw it because you know it took liberties with the real story and a lot of it revolved around his relationship with Dale Berra. And a lot of it. Dale his son. Who's been on the show recently and it was about You Know Dale's addiction right all that stuff. It is feud with Steinbrenner. Mostly the reason that and it was Carmen And unfortunately this he's white Carmen. Did yet I'm sorry Unfortunately this story didn't make it into the book. I ended up having to cut sixty pages the book. But there's a terrific story of Gonzala and right coming to Yogis House and talking about it and Kozara figures. Hey I'm from Brooklyn I'M A. I'm a revolt Italian. We're going and they did hit it off But carman was again from the start and they have a second meeting his museum where they're sitting there drinking vodka together telling stories about where it was like growing up during the depression. And you know if it was Yogi they they would have blessed Common walks in is very polite. Very nice you know Carmen. She was charming woman And very politely and Trombley said I'm sorry but we're not going to endorse this John. His new book is Yogi a life behind the mask John. It's always a pleasure. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Hey Jeremy thanks for the time appreciate it. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. The Milwaukee brewers would be celebrating now. They're fifty first season in Milwaukee. Of course we don't know when baseball is coming back. But the brewers are the subject of new book by Adam Mckelvey who's been covering them for. Mlb DOT COM for decades. He is a native of the Milwaukee area and his new book is. The Milwaukee brewers fifty celebrating a half century of brewers baseball Adam. Thanks so much for being with us. Of course German. Thank you for having me. I gotta say I'm doing this with all due respect but I was looking at some of the numbers right I mean. The brewers I think over there fifty seasons in Milwaukee have a winning percentage of about forty eight percent which I think might be actually a little bit better than I would have guessed. And they've played a total and fifty seasons. If my math is right again I think of thirty postseason games. And they've won one pennant. No world series. Of course that one thousand nine hundred two lost in seven games to the cardinals and Keith Hernandez that whole story was Bob McClure? Who gave up the head to Hernandez in the the big game in my right. That's right no rollie fingers haunts but still to this day right so I mean you know it's easy for somebody coming from New York. You know where they've got twenty seven championships with the Yankees and before that the giants and In the dodgers and the mets well it's been a. It's been a long drought for the mets too. But we'll talk about that another time. But people forget when you talk about Milwaukee Baseball Milwaukee they forget that there were some incredible teams there fifties and early sixties. How long were the braves? Fourteen years something like that. Yeah never had a losing season. led the major leagues and attendance on a number of occasions. I nationally franchise to draw two million fans. It was a town that fell in love with its baseball. Aaron and Mathews Spawn and Bernadette. I mean It was they had those great teams and they beat the Yankees. And what was it? The fifty seven world series right and then they decamped for Atlanta. What did it mean to Milwaukee to get baseball back in nineteen seventy of course? It meant that Seattle lost the team that had for year as you already said it was the that the city was bigly again And you know it came at a time that herb Kohl had also brought the NBA to Milwaukee Just a year before and it was a big boost for town. That was really heartbroken when the braves left in in reading about that I always known the braves left town. I never knew the history of that. How a team that has been so successful at the gate and on the field and as you said at so many hall of famers suddenly decamped and I learned through this research that one of the reasons Milwaukee lost the braves was they made a policy against Kerry in beer and people were so horrified of the notion of having to buy their beer at the ballpark led to some really hard feelings. Only Milwaukee I mean that's that's that is a great story. Can you picture reeling your leg into the Ballpark for long now? Look it's more complicated than that. And I don't oversimplify simplify it. But that was certainly one factor really before the brave even decamped. Bud sheely was already trying to gather civic leaders you know. He's around thirty years old at the time To try to I save the braves when that effort failed He turned his sights to bring in almost immediately and other expansion team and he had so much heartache in close calls over and over There was an American league expansion during that period Between Sixty five and seventy are. There was National League expansion. You tell them watching Walter. O'malley announce the winner in mouth. A word that began with 'em and his heart lifted and the the word was Montreal. Heart was broken again You gotTA deal to buy the Chicago. White Sox from one of the Allen Brothers The other brother Nix. That deal hurt was broken again. So the way bud ceiling tiles this idea of bringing the Seattle pilots as you said lasted only one year. Poor attendance The ownership of at least one member of the ownership was willing to part with the team. It was as the very last chance and had that effort failed There may not be bigly baseball in Milwaukee today and a whole generation of fans including me would you know either becomes fans are twins fans or maybe just focused on the Green Bay packers. So it's a story of a close calls and sort of how feel Use this history can hang on such a thin line impact so many people in the in the decades that followed the that is sort of a story of this franchises. Well we're speaking with data. Mckelvey is new book. Is Milwaukee brewers at fifty celebrating a half century of brewers baseball? And you gotta forward by Robin Yount Hall of Famer Shortstop Center. Fielder it off the top of my head Robin Yount easily. The greatest player in franchise history right easily easily easily. was he was he full-time planets up when he was eighteen. For the brewers. Yeah a again a story of right place right time I think about that in my career sometimes. And how many of us have you know are where we are because of Sort of that idea just being ready when opportunities strikes you But feeling tells the story of a real battle within their front office in. Nineteen seventy three When the BREWERS had the third overall pick and the GM wanted a pitcher from New York The scouting director really liked their shortstop from Woodland Hills. California and they battled and battled and battled and it was ultimately the scouting directors. Call him bomber. Who himself was an infielder made it to the big leagues at age eighteen He got to select Robin Yount. And and the following spring. You're talking about nineteen seventy four. The brewers are still basically an expansion team. They've had very little success on the field and they get to spring training. The Manager del Crandall became the great Milwaukee braves. He was one of the core players of that team and He decided you know why. Not Give it a shot to the kid And Robin Yount had impressed at times in that Spring and they made the decision sort of near the camp that that's just give it to the. Let's give him a shot in the big leagues and you know really it's it took years for robbing out to become the the hall of. Famer that eventually became. It was really a four really. Disappointing seasons You set a club record as a rookie. That probably won't ever be broken for Arizona season at shortstop And really just you know didn't perform the bat until about nineteen seventy eight. So you know would it? Sometimes I think back when you look at players today and the social media age everybody wants you know Mike Trout from the second he steps foot on major league field. How many outlets four years of real struggle? And what would what would he look? His career looked like in today's game. Would it be different? Would they have the patience to stick with eventual hall of Famer sort of an impossible question to answer but one of the you know one of the best things for Robin now was that he was able to learn on the job? The next year the birds brought back Henry on to know walkie. He was a fantastic mentor for robbing out and Frank Robinson was also a great mentor for Robbing Down Played Winter Ball for Frank Robinson Robinson. Took to this kid. Was you know the sort of a cool calm southern California Guy Robinson really liked him and they'd have a couple of cocktails at the bar each night and Robin announces that was a phenomenal influence on his career. As well and he blossoms into nearly the face of this franchise you know. Maybe it's bobby maybe you can make a case for that abroad. Captured being the face of the team. But if you're talking about players there's no doubt he's the man who defines the sort of Understated blue-collar Loyal Sorta town. He's the player that he he's the face of this ranch is and I was just going to get to Bob. Euchre before we go and again we're speaking with Adam. Mckelvey from MLB DOT COM. Who's been covering the brewers for MLB for twenty years nearly and That's forty percent of the history of the franchise. Tell me Bob Euchre story and then we'll let you go. Well you know his deadpan gets you know my favorite personal Bob Story. There was a a year one of the early years. I was covering the team where they weren't very good as you said for some of those years and in the two thousands and they agreed to let sports illustrated follow the team for like a a road trip and it turned into this nightmarish road trip. They lost every game injuries. Whatever could go wrong went wrong but when the piece comes out in sports illustrated there's this fantastic photo of the guys playing Ping Pong at the cool in in Miami And in the background is Euch in a very very stylish black speedo and this thing is published in the magazine and we. He picked some ribbing for it. I think it was like the next spring. We're just talking about and totally casually in conversation. This comes up and he goes. Oh Yeah my sports illustrated swimsuit issue for some reason that line just like stuck in my head forever and and it's those types of little things that you will drop on you and you know you not even expecting to laugh and then you spend the next hour laughing about that. He said I've said many times you know it's it's it's a it's a joy to cover the T. When your team you follow makes it to the postseason. Look your mastic about covering this team. You're doing the job as a journalist. But it's it's it's you know when the teams good. It's it's a good thing you know you get to cover huge games deep into October. It's a lot of fun I've always said my team could win the next ten world series or the you know I could cover the next ten world series and nothing will be as a thrill as just standing around the batting cage with bobby you could just make you laugh He's a total joy to be around and You know I hope he gets to do it for a long time. This was supposed to be its fiftieth season On the Mike for the Milwaukee brewers hometown team. Not exactly the way he envisioned Season NUMBER FIFTY GOING. But hopefully we get some baseball forum before this yoga. That would be nice. Data McCarthy's new book. The Milwaukee brewers at fifty. Celebrating half-century brewers baseball Adam. Thanks so much for joining us. Good luck good luck with the book. Jerry I appreciate it so much thank you. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. A quarter century ago. Baseball CAME BACK TO LIFE IN CLEVELAND. After decades of dormancy the one thousand nine hundred ninety five Indians were exciting team. They ended up winning the pennant. Losing the world series to the Atlanta braves there the subject of a new book. Cleveland rocked the personality. Sluggers magic of the nineteen ninety five Indians written by Zack. Meisel of the athletic who joins us? Now ZAC thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me Jeremy. All right so you know I I already kind of gave away You know The ending they don't win. They lose the braves that great braves team that only won one world series despite winning like forty five consecutive division championships What's so fascinating about the nineteen ninety-five Indians other than this remarkable collection of personalities and talents? Or maybe that is the most interesting thing I should say. Well you at it. Because it was really a perfect storm of a team that had been built from the ground up years in advance. And then this franchise moves into this beautiful new BALLPARK IN DOWNTOWN CLEVELAND. And the timing could not have been more perfect where you have a team emerging from this forty years slumber where they were the dregs of the league they were they reach such a low point that they had a famous movie made after them of course so that was chariots of fire. Right that was the exactly. You know your movie series. But it's just the timing was perfect and you had a city that was so desperate and so hungry for something to get behind and not only do. They have a winning team but the fashion in which they won with all these walk up victories and come from behind wins and yeah the personalities where you had an imposing slugger Albert Belle colorful characters like Omar vizquel and Kenny. Lofton savvy veterans who had been around the block. It was just the perfect mix for a city that was just waiting and waiting and waiting for exactly that I mean and and this this lineup I mean I'm looking at it now. I mean Manny Ramirez in ninety five when he's twenty three hitting thirty one home runs You've got as you mentioned. Albert Belle hit fifty that year. One hundred twenty. Six runs batted in Jim. Thome you would end up being a six hundred or two home run player and Kenny. Lofton and Omar Vizquel and Carlos by arrogance. And you've got Eddie. Murray another future hall of Famer Dave winfield another future hall of Famer. All these guys making contribution some larger than others. Obviously this incredibly exciting team. Would it mean in Cleveland to have a team? After fifty years almost fifty years. It's last World Series Championship. Nineteen forty eight that team. What did it mean to Cleveland to have a team like this Around well there's no better way to explain it than to say that two days after the Indians lost game six and the braves celebrated in Atlanta. The Indians returned to downtown Cleveland for a celebration with tens of thousands of fans packing the streets and climbing onto traffic lights and lamposts in downtown Cleveland and they lost but it meant so much to that city to finally have something some thread to get them through the summer and the early part of fall Which they had waited so long for that. And you know it came in this. Nineteen ninety five and the browns left in nineteen ninety five so it was. It really was the start of something too when I think. Of course fans were disappointed in the end result but it had been so long and really most of the people who experienced that ninety five team. We're not around the last time. The Indians had made the postseason nineteen fifty four when they didn't win a postseason game. They were swept in the world series. So it has been since nineteen forty eight since they had a playoff run. So that's forty seven years. Nobody remembered that so. This was the first time they could remember having something to keep them. Invested for six months and and so even with the end result. I think there was an appreciation for what that lineup accomplished. Full of famers or would be hall of famers should be all of famers and a pitching staff. That was pretty underrated too. They just had all of the elements. And it just really galvanized Cleveland. I gotTA admit And were speaking with Zack. Meisel about his new book. Cleveland rock the precise sluggers magic of the nineteen ninety five Indians. And I know I should know this. I was covering baseball and a daily basis. I totally forgot that Orel. Hershiser won sixteen games for them. I mean I didn't really. I mean I remember. Nagy and I remember Dennis Martinez Martinez won twelve a very good year for them. Nagy was. This is a typical kind of Charles. Sixteen and six with a four or five five year or a But hershiser WHO's thirty six went sixteen and six with a three point eight seven. Era AND JOSE. Mesa had forty six saves with a one point one three era. Yeah you think about you think about the hitters on those teams but there. There was some effective pitching going on as well as they won a hundred games. Yeah no one ever recognizes the fact that they led the American league in era and they were really good at preventing walks hits. And you didn't have much traffic on the basis and the hitters would tell the pitchers just just hold them. You don't need to throw a shutout just limit them to a few runs and let Albert Belle and Jim Thome Ian Manny Ramirez. Kenny Lofton Eddie. Murray do their thing. Unbelievable so yeah you can see if you look at the ages of the roster. It's really interesting because most of the roster was was built from within they drafted. Well they traded well You had young hitters in that lineup like told me Ramirez. And then they when they knew it was time to to hit the gas pedal. That's when they went out and they signed Dennis Martinez even though he was forty years old. They signed. Eddie Murray. Who was nearing the end of his career. And then right. Before the ninety five season they signed. Orel Hershiser to be that. If the missing cog in that rotation and hershiser ended up having a fantastic season he was the MVP of AOL CS against America. So you know. It's funny when when I think about the Indians from the mid nineties there was that you know it meant so much as well because there'd be no world series ninety four. We haven't mentioned that. So it was kind of this unique circumstance to people were hungrier for world series and perhaps They were typically. Because what happened in ninety four but two years later in ninety-seven they get to game seven Against the MARLINS and and they they lose that one when I think of the Indians of the nineties There's so much talent but they don't quite get over the top. What what's what's the team. That means more in the heart hearts and MINDS OF PEOPLE FROM CLEVELAND. The Ninety five team of ninety seven. Yeah it it's the ninety five team for a couple of reasons number one they. They hadn't disappointed anybody yet. So that's what made that summer. So special is it was all new and fresh and this it was foreign to Cleveland fans who were used to the team being in the basement by June first so that was one part of it. I think that's why people were more accepting of the end result even though they weren't happy with it obviously But in ninety seven that team didn't click until late August. They were treading water. They didn't have much of a division lead in fact they were trailing the white sox for awhile and then they played a little better down the stretch. They WANNA eighty seven games kind of limped into the playoffs and just caught fire at the right time. Had some some clutch hits some key moments in October to get to the world series but again that's by that point you're losing ninety five in the World Series Ninety six. It was a first round exit so there was more of a sense of urgency and I think fans were less forgiving especially when they had the lead in the ninth inning in game seven Miami and couldn't shut the door. Those Indians teams. Were Fun to watch. And they were exciting to cover as well remember covering current them in the ninety seven. Al CSI guess but it was a little bit of a different team at that point anyway. Zach. It's terrific of you to spend this time with us and share your memories and his New Book Zach Muzzles New Book as I said is Cleveland Rock the personality sluggers and magic of the nineteen ninety. Five Indians would a collection of talent and character Zach. Thanks so much for joining us here on the sporting life. You GotTa Jeremy. Thanks so much. Thanks for having joined us. I'm Jeremy Shopping. And this has been the sporting life on. Espn radio or on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time.

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"This is the Steven A. Smith Show podcast. I'm Steven Jared Goff. Los Angeles Rams. quarterback jared goff is he just kirk cousins by another name is Stephen Stephen a Smith show on E._S._p._N.. Radio and the E._S._p._N.. APP Siriusxm Channel Eighty and on E._S._P._N.. News will cain filling in for Stephen A.. You can only catch me three to six eastern all those same television and radio dials and you can answer that question eight eight eight seven into nine three seven seven six kirk cousins jared goff jared Goff Kirk cousins. Yesterday we talked about my quarterback rankings. I put out a few days ago here on the Stephen a Smith show and then what followed was some rankings that came out from pro football focus and from Mike Sando who used to work here at E._S._p._N.. And then moved the Athletic Mike does a survey of lead executives in places quarterbacks into tears he for example had quarterbacks Dak Prescott Kirk cousins in the third tier but something fascinating came up when talking about kirk cousins the Minnesota Vikings quarterback Sando on the Russillo show podcast had this to say about Goff in cousins. He's sort of like Andy Dalton member that year in two thousand fifteen when the bengals had everything right around and everyone was healthy until the playoffs I mean he had like a pro bowl year. Specifically is just what I feel like a you. Have everything around looking pretty good like if kirk cousins were the ram or back. I'm not sure they'd be like way worth. Oh so it's in the matter of twenty seconds one hell of a shot kirk cousins and then weirdly some shot at Jared Goff my Santo who's working absolutely respect says cousins Dalton surrounded with some talent. He can have a pro bowl year but you put them in L._A.. Lay and I think things will go. Just do what Jared Goff so I guess I can do the logic by extension. Golf is Dalton. Goff is a quarterback. They can have a pro bowl year provided he has weapons around him. That's the logic follows from what I just heard from. Mike Sando and as much as I respect Mike's work I have to disagree. I have overtime had some pretty harsh criticism or been holed out on the jared goff off by by sign on the Jared Goff stock his rookie season was so bad I wondered aloud if he was a bust and even as he was progressing and getting much better we talked openly about whether or not he was a system quarterback in a product of Sean mcvay but I believe Jared Goff deserves a lot more credit than being compared to kirk cousins and Andy Dalton first of all we have to respect winning. Some level of winning jared Goff just went to a super bowl. where's Kirk cousins winning? You know we talk about goats in rankings in there are some that say come on don't overvalue championships championship we do and we talked about basketball players Jordan versus Lebron six versus three we talk about quarterbacks brady versus Montana or Brady versus Peyton but I actually think while we hear Oh you know it's a team sport. You can't give too much credit or put too much blame on one individual in a team sport environment and how much they win or lose actually think we start to take that to a place that's absurd we start breaking down these guys into like narrower and narrower narrower verticals narrow categories what is arm strength like how many fancy football points as he put up which is footwork like Kenny get the ball into a tight window. We keep doing that and doing that doing and don't get me wrong a lot. That is really smart. Analysis the kind of stuff you get from Tim Hasselbeck or Dan Orlovsky and it's really good but you can't lose the forest for the trees. It's all in service of one thing in the end winning. Winning winning is what it's all about. Winning is why Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. Winning is why Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Winning is why jared goff is not kirk cousins in winning has been my argument for why Dak Prescott is consistently underrated an opinion by the way that is apparently early shared by our new Monday night football analysts Boettger McFarland Today on I take the way the N._F._l.. Works like this you get paid based on your time in line and the availability of the money with your franchise okay Dak oppress got his next in line okay. He's at the end of his fourth year on a four year contract and I think the fact that we're having this debate shows you that not only maybe not the cowboys of disrespected him but I think the rest of the national football league because that's the question only does is win. He shows up is he. The most accurate passer no but I think he's just as accurate as Carson Wentz can he run like Michael Vick no but he's showing he can move the chains with his feet. Okay from a completion percentage you see the most accurate quarterback no but his numbers right there I one one hundred percent agree with pilgrim fought McFarland. It's the point of the exercise thirteen and three in his rookie year nine and seven in the down year ten and six in the rebound year two division titles in three years playoffs in two of three years almost always fell short of winning a comeback against Aaron Rodgers in the fourth quarter. Dak Prescott is the most under rated disrespected quarterback in the N._F._l.. And he wins and he will win more and Jared Goff has one more thing kirk cousins and Andy Dalton give jared. Gov that respect I had veered off the other day ranked around twelve or thirteen. I don't have my rankings right in front of me but I had him around twelve or thirteen in the same range as Carson Wentz and just below Dak Prescott who I had tenth overall in the League but at the same time time kirk cousins has had everything around him. That's needed to win now in my estimation. This is the year kirk cousins has to win this argument. He needs to win. Is it right here for Kirk cousins. He's got to fund digs Adam feeling Dalvin Cook. He's got a defense on the other side of the ball. I picked the Vikings yesterday as my surprise team the team that people are sleeping on the team is going to jump up and perform in the playoffs team dining is going to win the N._F._C. North but this really is the judgment year for Kirk cousins. He's probably GonNa get an extension by the Minnesota Vikings remember shined short deal with them because the alternative is way too scary. It is for almost every N._F._l.. Team the unknown. Who Do you bring in but this really is the year the kirk cousins loses the excuses if he can't win like Jared Goff if he can't win like Dak Prescott with what he has now now in Minnesota will Mike Sando was right about kirk cousins? He might not be right about Jared Goff but I'll play this one more time. He's right about kirk cousins when he compares. He's sort of like Andy Dalton. Remember that year in two thousand fifteen when the bengals had everything right around and everyone was healthy until the play-offs though they had like a pro bowl year specifically is just what I feel like that's who cousins is. He doesn't perform this year. He's Andy Dalton. The Stephen a Smith show is brought to you by pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to pennzoil synthetics. Today will cain filling in for Stephen. I asked a little bit earlier and laid out my case for why hi Brady and Belichick are the greatest coach Star player duo of all time now. You've called in to tell me where I'm wrong who I missed and who should be considered in these duos across all sports across Paul Decades Basketball Baseball football the greatest coach in star player of all time Eddie in L._A.. What's up at your on the Stephen? A Smith show with will cain oil was avenue man. I'm GonNa go from Los Angeles ongoing Pat Riley Imagine Abby Johnson. Those guys put together a nice little stretch a nice little run. We'll showtime a nice little resume. I gotTa tell you any. It doesn't compare thanks for the call. It doesn't compare to Duncan and Popovich nineteen years five titles. It doesn't compare to Kobe and fill five titles eleven years together. It doesn't compare to Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan six titles in eight years together and it doesn't compare to Bill Russell and read are back ten years together nine titles mark and Kentucky. What's up market on the Stephen? A Smith show is will cain pay. We'll have going man what's up. I'm an old Guy <hes> so I've got a soft spot for the older combos like Montana and Walsh and <hes> Bradshaw Chuck no okay I I do I do and I hear you with your points. I I really do but just one that today's real quick number <unk> one rumor <hes> the New England patriots have not one more than three super bowls over an eight year period okay whereas you know chuck no and <hes> Wall you know they they want therefore super bowls within that within the tenure number two if they if Brett if I'm sorry if <hes> Tom Brady and bill shake loose. Let's say hypothetically they get the super bowl this year and lose. Would you pill considered them the greatest of all time I would now let me tell you why okay mark. Here's the deal first of all it's six titles against four in both cases for Walsh and for no it's six titles for the Patriots Against Four for the niners in four four the steelers but more than that is it harder today. I've asked this question of several people. It's harder to do this in football to establish a dynasty to stay at the top than it is in basketball basketball can be more dictated by the wonderful talents of one player Michael Jordan Shaquille O'Neal Kobe Bryant Lebron. James Football is harder to withstand the roster turnover the change churn of teams out there in the league and it's harder for a player to stay healthy on top of his game the way that Brady radio has redefined this entire league but more importantly. It's also harder to win in today's N._F._l.. Than it is when the niners and the steelers did it and look man. I'm honest with everybody. I tried to be honest. You can discount what I have to say. You can make adjustments and you can tell where I'm wrong. You know anybody knows me. I'm a homer for the cowboys right so I want to talk about the seventies cowboys. I WanNa talk with those nineties cowboys but I do know this seventies. Cowboys was seventy steelers. Those eighties forty niners in those nineties cowboys did it before full blown free agency in the N._F._l.. And that makes what Brady and Belichick New England patriots have done harder than what those guys did you still there mark yeah I I can't I can't argue. I can't okay but <hes> all right well. I appreciate your points mark. Thanks for calling Stephen. Smith show was will came. I got one more reason for why I believe the Bill Belichick and Tom Brady the goats of all time and it comes from the fact that the Patriots reported to Camp Today and Bill Belichick had some things to say I he was asked about being in New England for this long. I enjoyed here appreciate the opportunity to hear on your coach on our team can do a job. I WanNa try to give them the best that I can put our ourselves but our team put our individual players and coaching staff in the best position. We can compete hope I can do that this year and you sound like to me. I mean that that's that's not the voice of joy I don't know what is that is virtually bubbling over with excitement. I mean Jeez Bill Rain back a little bit starting to wonder if you had a pop before you got on there but that's actually. So Craig man no up no down just consistent and this other quote is actually the one that I think illustrates how you get to be the goat this other quote is the one that illustrates exactly what it takes to win consistently assistant over time. I don't care what sport and I don't care if it's even in sports I don't care what you do for a living or what I do for a living listen to this one because this from Bill Belichick is really how you go about winning their veteran have a good day today. I don't think I practice tomorrow enough to start. How did the practice more that was the answer to a question about whether or not there's pressure to repeat as Super Bowl champions and he says the Veterans Day today? I don't think I practice tomorrow. Start out of the preps man. It's so trite it's so simple. It sounds so cliche sounds like coachspeak. It's not it's the secret. I'm trying to think about having a good day to day. I'll never forget I think it was in about two thousand ten two thousand eleven so it was right after Alabama beat Texas in the National Championship game the game in which Colt McCoy went out with an injury and Alabama won its first title the launched this Nick Sabin Dynasty with the tide and he was asked at the end of this championship during the celebration. I think Confetti was raining down and save and goes over to the table. You know where they usually have. The Post game conversation set up on the edge of the field. He's talking to whoever was hosting. I wasn't e._S._P._N.. Yet I was somewhere doing something else and so. I don't know who was hosting it either but I remember this conversation. I remember it to this day. The question was was this always the goal like when you went about what you WanNa do it Alabama and when you put everything into place and exactly what you were going to do this moment right here was this the goal and the response simple but true and the secret to it all is not unlike what Bill Belichick said Nick Sabin said to the interviewer don't think about goals. We don't do that a due process. I think about data day I think about blocking and tackling I think about the small stuff I think about was that executed right in practice. It's all about the process if I focus on the process and we master enough of those little all things they add up to the big thing but I don't keep my eyes on the big thing I don't keep my eyes on the goal. Keep my eyes on the process the little things and I'm paraphrasing but it was something to that extent and what was wild about that is I don't know how you grew up. Playing sports again will cain filling in for Stephen on E._S._p._N.. Radio I don't know how you grew up in despite the I know I have a punishable face and people suspected never played sports I did I did including division one water polo. I hear you chuckle chuckle chuckle speedo pepperdine and it's funny how in sports or anything we actually do focus on goals a lot like when you're little and coaches like what are your goals. Are you trying to get to what are we working towards. Establishing goes right down your goals put him above your beds. Always remind you why you're working working and this was the opposite of that. It was the opposite of focusing focusing on goals process man that is it that from Sabin and this from Bella Check Beltran of David is is how you get to be the goat. That's why he embraced are the greatest duo of all time because he's done that longer more consistently than everybody else nineteen years six super bowls and there you go. Hey tune in tonight is Aaron Judge and the Yankees visit the twins coverage begins at seven thirty PM eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio and E._S._P._N.. APP But your turn tell me where I'm wrong Mike in San Antonio you're on the Stephen Smith show with will cain the well. How's it going man a huge fan first of all <hes>? You're pretty cool guy anyway. I just WANNA say <hes> yeah I think Dunkin and hop actually a better tandem than <hes> Bella check and Brady's because I think <hes> talking about how to go through more you know had to all time greats and Steve Bash every western conference finals <hes> Kobe Bryant Bello Beasley Blonde something the greatest basketball player of all time twice in the final. You know twenty years consistent. What's more than that of the greatest players of all time in that way? RADIAN budget didn't really have that much. You know what might look. I know when I'm on first taking people that see me one of the things I do. Is I come back hard and I will if I think you're wrong. Take flat out think you're wrong. That's the second really good rebuttal to my argument today. It doesn't win me over because I believe the degree of difficulty is so much higher in football but there's two arguments that have made dense in my argument today. I believe this one. The guys that have called in Said said Whoa Whoa whoa Jordan and Jackson were six for six. They didn't never lose reading Belgique did in the game the big game and I like what you're saying I do think that pop and Dunkin have had to go through more bigger challenges bigger adversaries then the Patriots are now the Patriots and deal with the colts they had to deal with Peyton manning they had to do with the Broncos then as well. They had to always overcome that in the A._F._C. and it was a different challenger was the giants science and look the giants came up big in the big game but I do think you have a good point. I do think that's a good rebuttal Josh in Ohio. What's up you on the Stephen a Smith show with will cain? What's up well? I just wanted to say I mean I kind of feel like like nowadays. It might be a little bit easier to build that championship team than it used to be back when you're dominating reason being is you look back about. Do your boys were playing back then and that was the bill the back then you're Kinda stuck with whoever you got to an extensive. Your team gets older so be it. You can't just replace them like you can now now you can get your team comparing to how all your teams getting like Brady. He gets older game changes a little bit. you start putting peanut around. I don't why that's when Josh I'm not buying that one because I know that consistency especially in football wins championships you gotta keep all those B.. Level players man you gotta keep those offense of lime in the started getting big money in the nineties with the cowboys. You gotTa keep those linebackers that were raided every successful N._F._l.. Team back then after. After they want especially if they won more than one the giants the cowboys who are they got rated. They got raided once. Free Agency came in now. I don't think that was that was something that helped those teams out that existed pre free agency. I don't think bringing in some churn younger on the roster for Brady has made it easier for him naked Missouri. What's up Nick you on the Stephen Smith show with will cain? Hey how you doing a appreciate you taking my call. I <hes> want to argue with you about the <hes> I honestly think that the Jordan and Jackson Combos a little bit better than the Brady and Belle check because they're six zero in the finals I mean you can't really beat six rings and and not losing the finals at all I said today I've said today Nick. That's a good argument it is I think the two arguments that I think have been the best rebuttals to my Brady Bill. Check are the undefeated nature of Jackson in Jordan or the Patriots have lost and that the competition was tougher for say like pop and Duncan that it has been for Belichick and Brady one more Richie in Montana. What's up Ritchie? You're on the Stephen Smith show and will cain. Hey well thanks for taking my call man Yemen Yogi Augie Barra and Casey stangl seven that what they I'm. I'm GonNa Be Honest Ritchie you just <hes> he i. I know I know that I brought up Auto Graham Paul Brown and I know that I brought up barstool Vince Lombardi but you just took me outside of my on my historical in sports bandwidth so you're GonNa give me Yogi Berra Yogi Berra and Casey Stengel seven for seven <hes> Yep and Yogi Berra's have greatest catcher of all time in your book. I don't know about the greatest catcher probably one of the best hitters I mean he would hit everything balls in you know low high that math it was a good bed boil header and he's got if you look obviously you guys look it up. He's Got Fourteen Rings coaching and ten as a player. Yeah I hear you. Thanks for the call Richard. I really appreciate it. I don't think you have to satisfy. Are you the best quarterback. Are you the best player you the best catcher and then are you you alternatively the best coach. You have to be individually the best but you got to be pretty Dang close. I don't know that Yogi bear gets close enough in his own individual category to elevate the to somebody asked me earlier what about college football who would A. B.. Nick Sabin and I think we'd have to find somebody paired with name. We could get on this. I don't have in from WHO's won the most titles in college football duo over time. It's got to be in the number like two or three. It can't be much more than that two or three thousand. We'll look that up and I wanna tell you about something that I talked about a few weeks ago on the wheel cain show because it's come back up and that is this which N._B._A.. Teams have the best young cores a few weeks ago. I gave you my top five squads in the N._B._A.. That had the best players core under the age of twenty five will now. There's a publication it's written about it and they have a little bit of disagreement with me about who's got the best young cores and N._B._A.'s will cain filling in for Stephen A on E._S._p._N.. Radio and the E._S._p._N.. APP Hey when you're hiring. You don't WanNa waste time sorting through dozens of irrelevant resumes you WanNa fish away to get a short list of qualified candidates. That's why you need indeed dot Com post a job in minutes set up screener questions based on your job requirements and in zero win on qualified cans using intuitive online dashboard discover what three million businesses use indeed for hiring post job today at indeed dot com slash higher search for greatness search for indeed who has the best young core in the N._B._A.. 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He switched to Geigo and saved a bunch of money on car insurance so that was good and so is go with his grandson. You're listening to the Stephen. A Smith Show podcast will cain filling in for Stephen A.. You can only catch me three to six eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio E._S._P._N.. APP and on on E._S._P._N.. News but you got me hanging out with you for another day or two here before I head off on vacation and Steven A. comes back. I'm going to get into that aloha spirit <hes> going to the beach. I'm going to get away. I'm a drink so many white claws. I can't even see straight. I'm just kidding not about the quantity about the white claw a couple of weeks ago on the wheel Cain show. I laid out for you my top five young cores and N._B._A.. What I meant by that player twenty five years or younger it was on the heels of the N._B._A.? Draft it was right after we saw the Atlanta Hawks put together what looks it's like not just a talented an impressive young squad on paper but one that makes sense right fits together ball handler and trae young big John Collins and then a bunch of wings around him that can shoot it makes sense. It should work having heard her the Andre Dri Hunter Cam Reddish the hawks look nice but are they a top five young core in the N._B._A.. They weren't on my list and now today the ringer has. has followed suit and put out their best young cores and N._B._A.. I thought it'd be interesting to compare it to ours and see where we have our disagreement first of all here's the way I saw a few weeks ago laid out on the wheel came show went to the whiteboard and I laid out these five teams number five <hes> put the Sacramento Kings the Aaron Fox Marvin Bagley now remember now buddy healed is older than twenty five so it's really down to those two players and their two nice players in Baghlan flocks in particular Fox and what we think he's going to take that team and they did push kings on the verge of the Western Conference playoffs this year number four the New Orleans Pelicans and if you WanNa Yell Hypocrite at me. This is where you can cause. I'm GonNa tell you my big takeaway. The PELICANS Akins made to fight but I really have to like what they've put together. True Believer in Zayn Williamson think he is a generational player think he is the kind of player that you could create a Jaanus type system around. Let him drive to the bucket surround him with shooters Lonzo Ball. Tom Josh Heart Brandon Ingram. I like what the Pelicans in what they had to add to it over the future at number three the Dallas Mavericks while Jalen Brunson is nice. It's really carried by two players kristaps Porzingis and Luca Danni catch the ringer for what it's worth had Dallas ranked fourth and the fascinating little stat that came out of the ringers article is no player has had the kind of wins above replacement projected of the next five years Luca. Danni has here's here's the questions about the mavs. How healthy is porzingas comeback? What's he look like and how big is Luca? John Switches growth curve and number two. I had the Boston Celtics and here's what I'm doing. I'm honoring Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and what they have done. This was Eastern Conference finals in down here. Don't have to preach to me. I got it game seven Lebron James. This is who the Celtics were before Kyrie Irving. I I don't know I don't think that Jason Tatum ends up the player for example that Luca Danni pitches. I don't think his ceiling is lower than dodges but I gotta honor what they've done and under twenty five I have the Boston Celtics two and a number one the best young core under the age of twenty five in the N._B._A.. Is the Denver Nuggets. Both Jamal Murray and Nicole Yokich are under the age of twenty five and I can't remember off top of my head. I had this ranked out on the board. I can remember is scary Harris under twenty five to or will Barton there. There's another third or fourth player that are under the age of Twenty Five but look man Gary Harris's under the age of twenty five untold so the the nuggets are the best young core. It's it's it's no doubt and by the way the ringer agreed they had denver as their number one. They had new Orleans as their number to Memphis is their number three thousand four and Minnesota Timber Wolves at five and timber wolves were carried almost exclusively by Karl Anthony towns. You need no a couple of things. Joel embiid didn't qualify so the sixers are only carried by Ben Simmons and now for the Hawks fans data yelling. You just said looked good. You just helped lay out. This hawks young core. Why isn't it in yours or the ringers thou- five in here I think is the big takeaway? Here's the point of the exercise. Here's what you learn learn from putting together the best course under the age of twenty five in the N._B._A.. And here's the reason why I don't have the hawks in my top five and I said you could yell hypocritic me for putting the Pelicans in there because I think that the Phoenix Suns funds are the great lesson in accumulating young talent on paper to continuously being at the top of the draft continually drafting high big. Tom Talent continuing to promise upside and hope and what's it turned into in Phoenix. Okay Devon Booker is a nice player. We'll see about the Andrea aiden but it hadn't added up to wins. It hasn't converted and that's the way it is all too often in the N._B._A.. Players teams look good young in good on paper never really turned into what you expect them to fully evolve into look. This is why I said knowing that he doesn't fit their time online. Hey the Orlando Magic ought to be a team considers Chris Paul. I'd say the same thing about the mass I know he doesn't fit their timeline but I also there's a long road traveled between a good young growing team and getting over the Hump and many most I never get over the Hump and went on Orlando Radio talked about that. Nobody wanted to hear it. Everybody's out on Chris Paul. I'm not but that's what the hawks still have to prove that it's not just high draft slots. It's not just accumulating talent looks good on paper that it works works on the court is well. Now you get to yell hypocrite because I did put the Pelicans in there and they showed it. They just look good on paper but I really Love Zion by the way Jason Tatum predicted he'll average twenty points earning all starburst and help lead the Celtics to the finals and raise his N._B._A.. Two K. Twenty rating from eighty five to ninety m putting it out there man. He's putting out exactly where they're going to go this year. Jake in Georgia what's objecting Stephen Smith show with will cain James. How's your <hes> as a die hard fan? I kind of agree with you that we still have lots of Peru's but I think that trae young himself especially in the second half did prove himself and I wonder if you can see him. Maybe being a top five point guard in the east next year if that improvement still continue continue to develop and he's off pensively efficient like he was in the second half of the season so here's what I'd say two things Jake okay number one. I look man. Don't don't turn me into a hater then you're not but I love with the Hawks on paper and I wanNA revisit what I said. They make sense not just like an accumulation of towns drafted high but like make sense ball handler big surrounded by shooting wings. It should work right but we need to see at work before we start talking about hawks topless second. Here's the thing about trae young I was listening to the low post podcast Zach Lowe's podcast the other day and he had a long conversation with Kevin Arnovitz about Chris Paul and one thing they said about Chris Paul is. Outside of Steph curry can you name an N._B._A.. Champion that WHO's best player who they were led by a small point guard like who is that so if trae young is going to be the hawks best player. Does that make you worried about where the hawks ceiling is at some point go to Devon in Florida. What's up Devon? You're on the Stephen. Smith show will cain. Hey what's up Brian going wanting to talk about how Lebron James Aims it might not be the best player in the game but he's definitely still the most dominant choir liner's probably the best players although he does you know he knows everything l. a. good actually but Lebron James outside of last year being burke. Who else do you depend on to dominate a game like we all know the broad J._F._k.? Know what the answer that anybody else. I'll tell you what the answer is. If Healthy Kevin Durant is the best player in basketball man he was torching. Everybody in the playoffs offs forty points a game. This was at Man. This was the year again. I said it a couple years ago. Everybody yelled hot sake. This was the year turned and everybody started recognize. Hey Katie's best player in basketball and on his way through the playoffs it was getting under debatable now. He's torn Horn is Achilles and how does he come back and it's really Kinda Sad. If you think about it like what happens to the K. D. window this was his time. This was his greatest player on the planet moment how much of that was robbed from him and Devon. You're referencing the fact that twenty N._B._A.. A._G._M.'s coaches and scouts when polled not one of them put Lebron is the best player in the League twelve said Kurai six Janas and to said harden and many said they would put Katie if he was healthy Lebron still great. You're right Devon Bronco the most dominant player. He's still great and I appreciate the call but let me tell you something. What kind of season does he have to have to get back into this conversation because he's not in it right now Devon? He's not now. Maybe Katie because you're not gonNA play for a year. He's got some jaanus Kawai and maybe hardened debate to go win. The seasonings Michaud on E._S._P._N.. Radio is presented by progressive insurance protecting commercial vehicles and offering specialized coverages designed to protect your business more at progressive commercial dot com coming up. We're going to close out with your calls on the best head coach best player Duos of all time. It's the Stephen a Smith show with will cain interest evening. Just what you're in the middle of a Stephen Swift show podcast. I will cain filling in for Stephen. You can normally catch me three to six eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio the E._S._p._N.. APP and E._S._P._N.. News let's hit up the shell pennzoil performance line to close out the show. I've argued today that the greatest coach an star player do of all time in any sport football baseball basketball across decades sixties seventies eighties nineties to thousands and Hell I guy even through in fifties is Brady and belichick longevity titles and degree of difficulty gives it to the duo in New England. The Dude in North Carolina is with us again. What is it dude? What is it dude? Is it Trevor Lawrence. Dabo Swinney is a DAB taboo and trevor. Is that what you're telling me we'll we'll we'll you always go down that road and Dunkin. We'll okay all right prize. I'm shocked man. I'm not the one that goes down that road. We're here in our relationship. We'll education's free so let me get this quick note into you. Real quick all right asked me this question in four years and it's GonNa be Trevor and Devo is thanks for the call great vacation all right buddy. You still get one more day tomorrow all right which probably means we get one more day of us well Lisa in Austin Texas. What's up Lisa? You're on the Stephen. Smith shows will cain Yeah Hi. Can you hear me. You Bet I can lisa okay. I got a question for you. You said you went to the University of Texas school there. Yes okay to okay. I'm I'm a fan of the University of Oklahoma and yesterday. I live one block from campus at U._T.. Right yesterday you we're talking about this effort by the big twelve to try to rein in the down horns sign right a couple of days ago but yeah okay but I wanNA know. What do you think is driving that because you know U._T.? Fans they don't care right. We are Texas like so. Is this coming the league is it coming from the media who is driving the effort. What Lisa this is what I lay down? I don't know if you heard the whole segment of you heard like someone of these previously on their cut they go into the commercial break. Sometimes may have played yesterday but here's what I said the other day you right. I don't think his Texas fans. I think Texas fans think it's week that everybody has adopted it meaning. We get it when Oklahoma does it right. Horns fan gets it when does it. That's all rivalry and that's why I love Baker even though he hates him etlinger and he takes tech hates Texas. That's what this is about and now get it with Aggie fans did and I actually get it. If Arkansas fans did it. I get all that but start breaking out and now West Virginia fans doing it. It's weird. I think Texas fans things that's week. Sometimes they do it when they're not even playing Texas. It might be West Virginia versus Kansas and for some reason they're doing it. That's week. Here's what I think Lisa honestly believe this. I think we are just in the victimhood and offense culture and everybody wants to find something to be supersensitive about and now all of a sudden the big twelve wants to jump in and go whoa Whoa whoa this is a little aggressive offensive. Yeah I do think it's coming from an overly political correct league right now. What do you think Lisa I? I think that's gotta be right because I like. I said I live here a block from campus. I see all the time and they they the point of pride right that everybody's after Texas right right I with you Lisa all right. Thanks for the call. I really appreciate it. That's from a couple of days ago when I talked about when that horns down is offensive needs to be a penalty in the big twelve. Let's close out q in the Bronx but you gotTa make quick you. What's up? Hey will I gotta preface my statement real quick. It's never ever agree with you. I'm born Jetson. I hate the Patriots Michael. Jordan is my favorite player of all time but I don't even know why you're having this discussion with people it's clearly grady and Bill Belichick. I hate the Patriots. Acreage have season tickets to the jets for them to do that. 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HOUR 2:  Max called his shot

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HOUR 2: Max called his shot

"The. The podcast. The next Kellerman show is presented by Progressive Insurance guests join me on the Shell Pennzoil performance. Line. There was someone on this show. I'm forgetting who it was someone it's a the maximum. With me. Oh Yeah. I'm sitting here by myself someone on this show. Hugh. That the bears would be the bucks. And my reasoning went as follows first of all nick foles now, the quarterback of the bears, nick? foles. Given the right coaching most players are very dependent upon coaching very few. would. Be. Great no matter who's their coach Nick foles when Chip Kelly was there. Twenty seven touchdowns two interceptions, then he goes to fisheries. No. Good. Then he goes back to the eagles. He has Doug Peterson and his quarterbacks coach John De Filippo and he wins the Super Bowl. Then he goes to Jacksonville. No good. He gets hurt classical. Now he's in Chicago Guesses quarterback coach John D. Flip Oh. By the way. Check out how Carson, WENTZ DOING Not so good as he without as quarterbacks coach Nick foles seem old Nick foles that is to say he's an average quarterback. WHO's huge in big moments? You can win a super bowl that way you I manning won two. League average quarterback normally maybe it took above for lie but when it mattered most all time great nick foles is not an iron man like you Li- manning but I've seen him elevate under pressure consistently given the right coach now. The box at the travel to Chicago gotta go to. Soldier field. The bucks had some injuries. The bucks had to come back on the Falcons all the way back. I liked the beer straight up in the upset, and that's exactly what happened now why did it happen? Nick began that game just he was awful. He was awful. But. He got better and better as the game went on by the end of the game. When they needed him most when you saw, he needs a couple of yards to get in field goal range, right? Try, and win this thing. He threw a beautiful pass. And by the way. Nagy the bears head coach. Mismanaged the clock and gave Tom Brady over a minute. To try and win. Oh Tom Brady has all these weapons. He has gronk Mike Evans I don't care who's hurt. He's got a lot of guys who were healthy to. Tom Brady is going to lead this comeback. I didn't do anything and Tom Brady who earlier in that game. chewed cow his offensive line because the by the way the lack discipline. Brady's finding out what the rest of the quarterbacks in the league deal with this ain't a chick coach team where it's always the other team that's beating themselves never the Patriots and Brady got a lot of that credit. This is this is how the other thirty one teams live. Offensive, line had him doing the moonwalk down the wrong way down the wrong way? Up the field or down the field instead of up. And he chewed them out publicly and I thought at the time and they kind of deserve it. But see Tom and the same when you're not with Bela Chick. And then after chewing them out, which could either be, it couldn't be execution. Right had the mental lapses because they keep getting. Well if you're GONNA chew them out publicly like that as their leader, how do you think they feel? When you lose track of the downs at the end of the game? How's that for a mental lapse? Now, look. Third Down at especially fourth-down, those were tough throws but go ahead do something you know Aaron Rodgers makes throws like that all the time. Now he's doing to a lot of open receivers now but when Aaron Rodgers needs to thread a needle hit a guy on the back shoulder the whole thing he doesn't. Listen Brady last year wasn't great. He was okay and everyone said Oh. He doesn't have the weapons but I saw him misthrows everywhere. You can miss them. East West and south. So happens when you get older, he basically tweeted at me Tom, Brady last year when he hit sixty one miles an hour on the radar gun right? And he asked about cliff. And he and he put it on social media directed at me. And I thought yeah, man you could still muscle it. But when you hit sixty one, can you do it not just with precision on a given throw but consistently precisely That's real accuracy. It's not able to thread the needle on one throw in a game. It's. Can you consistently thread that needle when you got mustard on the ball? In the answer for Brady is no, he can't. He has not demonstrated the ability to do that in several years because as you get older and your physical tools dissipate. In order to get that velocity, you got to put a little more on it. You lose a little accuracy. A game of inches. And Brady had to make some perfect throws which he failed to make on that final drive, not the end of the world. But boy when you hold up a four meaning, you forgot what down it was at the end of the game. So, bad look you chewed out your offensive line. Worse than that, though to me because that can happen to anyone. So you don't make too perfect throws after you had a great brady had a great comeback against the Falcons the week before you're at soldier field, you're playing a very good defense. You're playing a quarterback who's very good under pressure and Nick foles. I got a good coach. The whole thing I mean the. To then a second but. You don't have to leak have to win every Game Brady can listen Kinda game you're GONNA, lose I. in fact, that's why I pick the bears and the upset no big deal but. Just. Admit you had you had you got confused great baseball players will nevertheless sometimes forget how many outs there aren't any. Right tag upward don't tag up under supposed to or not supposed to. Greet basketball players may call a time out and they don't have any timeouts and it costs their team. It happens. Breaches cop to that. Here's Bruce Arians after the game Brady's head coach. I'm Brady not realizing. It was fourth down. Here's how Bruce Arians responded. Here's the question too, and then his response. Bruce at the end of the game last drive I it looked like Tom to confused. We went down it was he now knows fourth-down. Young new. That's coach covering for Tom Brady member coach publicly, Air Tom, Brady out early. That was one thing. But now he has his players back when he needed to use Tom Brady as an example to show the team everyone has to get in line. He did it and I'm sure Tom. Brady was with that. And when he needed to have quarterbacks back, he got his quarterbacks back. Got Like that if you're Tom Brady but. Tom Brady was asked the question on not realizing it was fourth down listened to the question listen to Tom Brady's answer. While way. You were only really mentioned either knows for. One was the case will what was most by? Niro. Great. That fact the I knew we needed to sean and I was thinking about more yardage. You know. It was just it was bad execution. There so it's Execute wanted to let me tell you if I were there what I would've asked. Okay. If I were there, I would've asked. Tom Did, you know it was fourth down. and. If he says, yes, would ask him, why did you hold up for? But the point is without being asked that directly he was a vase if in his answer. He said, I, thought we needed I was thinking chunk. I should have been thinking first down. Tom You know why you're being asked. And you purposely didn't say I didn't know it was fourth down which clearly you did not know it's one thing now maybe Brady doesn't WanNa make a liar out of the coach, right? It could be. It seems more like he was embarrassed by not knowing. And he was being a vase of as a result. and. Especially, when you chewed out your line earlier in the game, not great by the way. It's tough to go to soldier field and win. In fact, a couple years ago. Go. Go, back, three years, and and the eagles. beat or or postseasons Knees Eagles beat. patriots in the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz through however, many weeks was the MVP of the league thirteen fourteen weeks and then he gets hurt Nick foles takes over and I'm like, okay. Now they're dead in the water nothing against Nick foles think he's a good quarterback. I thought he was an excellent quarterback at Arizona as I said when he has when he's had coaching the NFL, he's been a solid minimum, solid quarterback and great under pressure. Meaning the bigger the moment, the more you can rely on them. And I remember thinking but then Nick foles went on a run unbelievable in one super bowl MVP in a game in which Tom Brady threw for five hundred yards and the Patriots never punted once Nick. Foles one super bowl MVP and deserved it. He's catching passes he's throwing passes doing whatever you need them to do. Remember when he? was criticized WHO's the cornerback I'm thinking I can't remember if I got too many names floating around my head. Raj. Who He didn't play. In. In the Super Bowl and pivot hardly at all. Yet he barely played any plays he was came after any lawyer I can't I'm I'm brain freezing like Tom Brady on fourth down anyway. Is, defensive coordinator, and this is not my original idea I forgot I. Wish I could remember who to attribute all these things too. But again, through the years you read and see and hear a Lotta stuff. Earlier in the day, I can't always remember who said what but I'd like to attribute to proper person I want maybe it was in like four the win. USA. Today for the win I. Wish. I could remember the writer. Mountain Gentler out of both. Who mentioned bill, Belichick as defensive coordinator for the giants. Wanted To. Dare the bills. To beat them. With. The run. So he put out defensive packages that encouraged them to run. Thurman Thomas got big yards and the giants won the game. And here Bella Chick. Wanted Nick foles beat him with his arm. It's usually chicks Mojo, right? BELLICHIK. Takes the first and second best things you do and say beat me with your third best thing if you can do that, you win fair and square. That's why Manningham. Got that pass from you I manning in two thousand eleven because. Make Manning benefactors audio go make Manningham beat US Manningham. beat him. And beat them and Bill Belichick can live with that. He Gate because he put the odds in his favour usually it works out sometimes it doesn't. So he dared Nick foles to beat him and Nick foles did. That was in two, thousand, seventeen. Then the following year, they have a super bowl title defence to make and they're going nowhere. They're dead in the water and Carson Wentz gets hurt again he's regressed and the team's not as good and he gets hurt again nick foles takes over under center. And inspires that team and they make the playoffs and there in the first round they have to go to Chicago. And play a bears defense member the Khalil Mack traded happened earlier in the year and this bears defense was ferocious and a lot of people not wanted to a lot of people were taking the bears to get out of the NFC. Nick foles went to soldier field and. Beat them. I know soldier field is a tough place to play if the bears of a good defense. Nick foles. Did. It. By the way. In the cold weather. Against a better bears defense than this one. It's hard to do. But falls did it Play almost then he went to New Orleans almost beat the saints. His receiver turns his head around He may be beats the saints drew brees. That's a hell of a way to go out though that's a super bowl title defence even though you don't ultimately defend the title. That's the way you go out. That's no joke. Tom Brady couldn't get it done yesterday. He didn't play a bad game. You just couldn't get it done there. He was penalized a lot is offensive line wasn't good. But the fact of the maybe he was covering for areas because airings, it already said yet brady new the down. But he was asked a question and he avoided answering it. And I think it's because he was embarrassed. Eight say ESPN. That was a good football game for Thursday night though. One point game. Tom Brady with the ball after Nick foles and Tom Brady linkup. With two I don't know if they're surprising teams but to good teams. I picked both to finish second in their division. I thought the packers it'd be better than the bears will maybe to pick the bears to beathard. But let's pretend I said second just with sounds good though the vikings would be better who knew Stefanski was such a big deal. I thought the box had finished behind the saints. But you get that on a Thursday night super bowl rematch of the quarterbacks now on new teams. Shakes out like that Nick, foles makes the Passy has to make the put them in field goal range after an awful start and they take the lead but but but but his coach mismanages the clock and Brady has over a minute and you're thinking here it comes and it doesn't and Brady forgets the down. It's so hard. It's so hard when these games are on, it's eleven o'clock. adrenaline pumping your heart's racing and you're exhausted. You haven't slept enough by Thursday you know. It's late in the week already and how the hell do you go to sleep after that? I'm wired I gotta be up for at least another hour after that to get to sleep. That's why Raj eventually I will run on on a platform of Wednesday's federal. Holiday. By, Thursday? No one slept enough by Thursday night. Right. But if you have if you increase workday by two hours a day. So Monday Wednesday Thursday Friday you work ten hours instead of eight. So those days all get a little worse in one way but in another way. If people are up late on a Sunday whatever and they're like Oh God I am I shouldn't have been up late in now I got this whole week extending before I O it's murder but instead You Have Wednesdays off on Monday morning you just looking at I gotta get through today by the afternoon tomorrow. I'm good I. Got Wednesday. But you know what that does for a Tuesday President Cullum was that. To. Tackle, Tuesdays at a whole new level. It's a whole new level. Now Wednesday you have off and then Thursday is you're looking at the weekend. You gotta work a little bit more Monday Tuesday and Thursday Friday but I think it's well worth it I would run on that Raj and here's the other thing. was that daylight savings done. It I get about how stupid is this that right? When the weather's Things were getting shorter anyway. You need to take another hour away. CAST now coming up later this month. I don't even want to think about it people getting depressed over the place. President Kellerman would take care of both those things Raj. i-love-you maximum. Got My vote man. Eighty eight say Espn Lebron and the Lakers can get a banner number seventeen tonight. And I. Want to make this clear. You should discount premodern championships. It doesn't mean they don't exist. But discount them. So like in base the Yankees have twenty seven championships, right so much more than anyone else in any sports embarrassing but. If you WANNA say pre nineteen, forty, seven, the color line you know. Why why do we keep count those as much? Okay. With pre nineteen, sixty, one expansion going through one hundred, sixty, two games. Why do we count those with? Pre One, thousand, nine, hundred, five. Meaning the the the wildcard everything. Okay. All right I get it. You can discount Yankees Championships in all. Those Yankees are still number one by a country mile. WanNa Measure Championship, since nineteen ninety, five or nineteen, sixty, one or nineteen forty, seven Yankees got it by a lot no-one's close. The Celtics used to be considered the Yankees of basketball. Because they had thirteen on the NBA. History Baseball, and when I was a kid celtics had thirteen championships next closest with the Lakers, they had six celtics have more than twice as much as anyone else no. One's ever gonNA catch him, and by the way since then the celtics have tacked on four more. Seventeen. But the Lakers tacked on ten. They Got Sixteen And when you start weighing more heavily the modern championships meeting the absorption of the ABA teams, the adoption of three point shot. The Lakers clearly or the dominant franchise worldwide in history of basketball. But once the leakers sitting on seventeen. The arguments over Celtics fans do not have a leg to stand on. Look Celtics Names I. Know You're listening in Boston you might be mad about that but you know it's true like as a Yankees Fan I'm real mad at Brian Cashman who's an excellent GM excellent GM. But since two, thousand, five, the Red Sox have four, the Yankees have won. And while I don't insist the Yankees won the world series every year it's unrealistic. I absolutely insist they win it more than any other team. And certainly more than their chief rivals in their division. So. I. Have To admit what's going on since o five. Why as Cashman the second best GM in the division not good enough. Not, good enough celtics fans got to be feeling the same way right now Danny ainge is. But it ain't good enough right now. Is it Raj? Knowing you know I'm a Celtic fan discuss there as a little bit as a kid I know. But the my childhood in my adulthood is filled with more sorrow watching the Lakers win my celtic. So as far as I'm concerned, the Lakers have more championships I wanna live door and. You know. So I I saw for I. don't even see I. didn't see the first one I was too young so I'm going to say It's worth thing like the bird Mikhail Celtics got three the magic. Karim Worthy Lakers got five. That's bad. Enough. Celtics Fan and a lot of that's because birds back went out right? So his career was not as as Magic's but. Since then the. Celtics have gotten one that was when they had a big three and there was no other big three in the league. Right. They had three hall of famers still playing at hall of fame level. No one else had that. And they got one out of that. And since the end of the Magic Karim Dynasty the Lakers got five with Koby. Three with shack to with POW five with Kobe. And now Lebron is sitting on his first one after tonight if they can win tonight. That's eleven brother. At seventeen overall. That's the greatest franchise in the history of the known universe in basketball. Period. The week marks. The Sixth Annual Kpmg Wins Pga Championship at Irani Golf Club. 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The Max Kellerman show on ESPN radio, ESPN news the ESPN APP and Sirius Xm Channel Eighty and on your smart speaker reach me at one, eight, eight, eight, say ESPN, one, eight, eight, eight, seven, two, nine, three, seven, seven, six, the Max Kellerman shows presented by progressive insurance. All guess. Join US on the Shell Pennzoil performance. Line. Like Doug carries kerosene. Kazarian. I Apologize Doug Espn. Analyst I'm talking too fast. Doug it makes you feel any better I mispronounced my own last name all the time, Max Kellerman. It's hard name to say Kellerman it's the or that messes you up if they kelman or something but I, got to Kellerman I, screw it up all the time anyway Doug Kazarian, ESPN sports, betting analysts daily. We'd your host six to seven PM EASTERN ON ESPN two. W there. I am I am all good. I've been called a lot worse and be I screwed up on air to man I know what? It's like and We know this you put a mic on. You talk long enough on air. You're bound to say something wrong or stupid or something like that. Yes. Well, not me but everyone else that's true. Doug grab time ever messed up anything in my life. It was one thing to demand perfection of those around you. If you in fact, yourself aren't perfect but in my case, Roger, I must demand perfection. All right. Here we go. Doug. The foreign. Oh bills at the three and titans who I believe should be three in one. Already I think they should have forfeited a game already but they not to lead the way the League's handling it who wins. It's a fascinating topic because the titans are just grinding out wins there. There's only been free other teams in the Super Bowl era, which is since nineteen, sixty six. Started three zero or better but yet to cover a game so they're winning but they're not covering and it's pretty fun and so the bills game this games currently not on the board because you just don't know which players are have tested positive. We don't know what's going to happen There's a chance to get canceled into your point maybe they get four because of the rules violations. So it's fascinating but no wine right now but the bills. Are All of a sudden high-scoring team they gone over in all four games. This was typically team in the Sean McDermott era that had gone under I. Think the second most so they're now all of a sudden scoring a bunch. Josh Islands in the MVP conversation I think he's the fourth lowest odds at season's William. Hill. So I have to trust the bills right now because they're getting it done both offensively, and defensively that's interesting about not covering Because really the betting line just represents well, I the book make the oddsmakers make the line. But what they're trying to predict is the number at which they get equal action on both sides right and then the wisdom of crowds moves the line based on the action. So so the wisdom of crowds was was a book written by James Wicky by the way, which was an answer to the madness of crowds by. Forgot who wrote the madness of crowds but the idea is that all of us collectively having some private information but also sharing some public information are smarter than any one of us. The collective is smarter than the smartest member of the collective, and that's really what the what the betting line means. Right because it's because the public will start to bet at one way or another. That's the reason. It's so tough to beat the spread because you have to outwit all of us. So for a team to never cover. means that what the crowd thinks. They're better than they really are isn't that bizarre the titans? Right. It's like a perception reality thing. Now since two thousand early thousands is when sort of like the math guy started infiltrating the betting market Kinda like the poker crowd, right right ochre early two thousand. So it's so it's computer modeling. So in a way, it's like a jere point the wisdom of crowds in perception it's kind of like a a quantitative way to assess qualitative sort of assessment right and it's all about perception with numbers. So it's it's the wisdom of the the respected crowd I guess that the best way to put it so again. Now, technology two thousand and twenty they flag accounts. They know which accounts are kind of respected players. So you know we laughed about it a couple of weeks ago where the shoe said, what was it ninety eight percent of the money on the game against the chargers but like a respected money wasn crazy. So they just kept the number in place but if it's the respected money, that's when you'll see some line moves and things like that all collaboration it's wisdom crowd Guess Smart Money Smart Money's weighted more heavily I get that raiders at The undefeated chiefs. Kansas City's favored by twelve. What do you think? You know it's funny if I called you one of these teams have gone over in every game and one of these teams has gone under in every game. You think she's the over team, but it's the raiders who've gone over in. Kansas City despite mahomes and all the offensive actually gone under in all four games because the defense has actually playing pretty well, Kelly many colts days they play well up downhill kind of thing big protect leagues but. Doug, cut out for a second. Are you there? Doug. Don't please. Don't hold it against the show that Raj misspelled your name. On the ticket was the wise guys you got to. He. And stuff, and they can have that they got rid of ours. Yeah So I think this proves the point though you not being able to pronounce his name and getting guests mixed up. To yesterday but that's fine we'll get back. Apologize. I am well, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for dropping your call, the dog, the the colts are three and one actually good. The browns are three and one and I think they're actually talented but they've benefited from a soft schedule. The culture at the browns and it's even odds right but. I like how it As home we discussed this last week or two weeks ago is is home field advantage still worth a field goal or without crowds it less than a field goal in other words how much better do people think the colts the browns in fact? You know it's a fascinating conversation. So I wrote a column entering the season basically that whole three point thing that's more just like bar room and friends hanging out. But even the perception of home field is not as drastic as a once was actually last year home teams before performed the worst against the spread than they ever have in our database, which is Super Bowl era nineteen, sixty six basically is just travel has become easier teams the communication of the headsets with the crowds and just their tougher battle battle-tested. So I just letting them the road is is a lot not as difficult as it once was now. So in terms of the value of the three I, mean we've talked about like the three is so significant embedding. So a line for my a move from like three to three and a half the casual personal that's just a half point but that is so much more significant than like seven and a half to like nine and a half, which is two points because of the key numbers and in is making in. The NFL three and seven. It's fifteen percent of a games in the last five years landed exactly three fourteen point one percent. So it's just it's all about weirdest. So in this case, with the with the colts being one point favorites probably on a neutral on home, they'd probably be like three solid three at home now leave land it's tricky. We can't you know it's funny. People try to group the owing sixteen. Browns in. That year those years when they were just terrible, it's so different than like version the browns, the baker, Mayfield, Odell Beckham. Last year they were Kinda bullies beat up on bad teams but they never did well against good teams like they got. They did win at Baltimore last year early in the season they always got beat by the bad by the good teams and then just beat up on the jets, the bengals and dolphins. And things like that. So this'll be a true test because last year is last week was a nice win against the dolphin excuse me cowboys but this'll be an interesting test because they're doing five against the spread as an underdog going back to the beginning of last year. So the Beckham Air. So when they are an underdog, they don't even do that. Well, that's actually the second worst cover percentage the NFL as an underdog. Doug Kazarian or as Raj spells his name on my scream catherine. The MASEKELA. Sheffield, the PODCAST. Felon show ESPN radio. ESPN. News the ESPN APP and Sirius Xm channel. Eighty, and on your smart speaker reach me eighty eight say espn eight, eight, eight, seven, two, nine, three, seven. It's time for news from Keller a nation just hit us up on the Dr Pepper call in line. I'll take a call then only give you my last take. Let's see. Brad. Long Island. You're on the Max Kellerman show. Brad Toil. Can't hear the head, Brad. Pitt, can you hear me I said, how are you? Good how? Good. I have a quick Whitey Ford Story Than Going Innocence Mas- where you began that'd be just mentioned to everyone Whitey Ford the greatest pitcher in the history of the New York Yankees Greatest. Starting, pitcher. Passed away today at ninety one years old was one of the all-time great big game pitchers use a show. Of the Chairman of the Board cocky twenty one year old Torquay's your dangle every. Actually, he lived in Gerry the cold told Casey stangl the manager everything he was GonNa do then went out and did it one World Series Games at the age of twenty one became the great pitching staff and? Sadly one of the all-time great big game pitchers, Cy Young. Winner multiple six, time world series winner. Go ahead go ahead. What were you going to say? Well sixteen years with the same team died in ninety one same as my GRANDPA's ninety one at the same time and I've been going there and sixty five actually. So away pitcher my own is is is born in fifty nine, just about fifty eight. So Mickey at the End Nypd My dad used to take me all the time I've been a lifelong Yankee Fan. My fault I told you the go quick story commodity exchange goal I at eight, hundred dollars about nine, hundred, ninety two or so my Silva broker was good friends with the actual man Whitey and he used to come down a lot but then now his son Eddie thirty was named after Eddie low peppy Great Yankees pitcher. Actually, after his father and He had a little problem with the third subsidy I believe he a short such just like his dad who was told us in the wrong position. That's why I became pitcher and Whitey Son Eddie actually worked had come in and work with me and my company flow broker associates the futures with us. We'd largest firm on the floor and the Comex and He had to be a phone clerk like the rest of us because of those things we've got involved in I. believe he's still around and just I looked it up and believe it or not the I. Think the last one left right now is Dr Bobby Brown, who played for the Yankees. Just short because we got to get out of here in a few in a few seconds. Let me just say. Widely, fordism all time greats greatest Yankees starting pitcher of them. All had the consecutive scoreless innings streak. In world series. It the world series, consecutive scoreless inning streak like thirty three innings and I believe this the record he beat Babe Ruth's, and he was eventually passed a WanNa say by Hershiser in eighty-eight. Garrett Cole they broke the bank to take to to get Garrett Cole three, hundred, twenty, four, million over nine years for games like this game five tonight the Yankees and. He needs to pull a Whitey Ford tonight and earned that money. Or. COULD ALL BE or it could all end for the Yankees tonight also for the Lakers who may be sitting on championship seventeen?

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 246  John Costello

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 246 John Costello

"Yes yes welcome in to another edition of the mckernan show on the inside asked he'll podcast network. I am your host Timothy Michael Kernan and our guest today presented by by Mark Hanna of the Evergreen Wealth Strategies Fine folks there at Evergreen S._T. L. Dot Com is former Cardinal John Kostelic now. I'm sure some some of you going. I think I remember John. CASTELLO had about three years with the cardinals interesting guess election but I did. I wouldn't have expected affected pop up on the PODCAST. Now I remember John Kostelic because when you're in your ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen basement I think baseball eastern Saint Louis is Saint Louis in. It's never more important than at that. That time like whatever team is really good. When you're around ten to twelve you will remember as the best team the rest of your life baseball all cards and everything gangster. Pete you're right <HES> and so I think about the eighty five cardinals eighty seven cardinals and I'm Mike Gaba two thousand thirteen cardinals couldn't hold a candle and I have no idea idea. I just know that time at that time. It seemed like a bigger deal so I remember John. I know a lot of the podcasters were not even born <hes> during the eighties he's but that's my favorite. I Love Cardinal Baseball in the eighties the base running so I go to cardinal fantasy camp <hes> this year in participate in and I'm not sure I'm going to do it in two thousand twenty I hope to but I'm not sure I'll be <hes> in Jupiter at that time bunch of things up in the air determining that but either way I got have to do this year and I was told brought a videography great nick gale and I was told you can shoot everything and <hes> we love the promotion that's great but you cannot shoot the morning meetings and I go what I don't even know what the morning meetings are and they said it's just where the manager of the team mm-hmm of former cardinals. I think the reten teams <hes> stand up each morning in Kinda. Give an assessment of their team and <hes> their thoughts and <hes> the morning meetings. I think the best part of camp and you're wise at so great and I would say it's like a roast for lack of a better term. It's like a roast now. John John Costello was one of the Managers Ozzie. Smith was a manager <hes>. Ted Simmons was a manager <hes>. I don't know if Isringhausen was a manager of Maat was in there but he wasn't a manager. Alan Bennett was my manager. <hes> I'm trying to think Bruce Sudan Whitey a hers. Ogg were involved kind of his Mike Commissioner so to speak although I guess Scott Perry the former cardinals commission recording was so anyway my point is this <hes> the morning meetings for quality and of course I cannot <hes> reveal what goes on specifically but it's great entertainment and cost hello who I didn't realize was from New York <hes> gets up there and he's just you know I mean it's his classic but with the New York dialect which you are about here <hes> <hes> combined with the roast element of the morning meeting it <hes> it's it's perfect it's perfectly sorta reminded me of Jeffrey Ross the roast master general if you ever watch any of those comedy central roasts and the and so I'm like I and I think I talked about on the radio and I got back from the thing and I said I gotta get John Castell. Tell on the podcast so we have been email about it for a few months <hes> in addition to talking about that <hes> his experience playing for the cardinals plan for white right here is like playing with Ozzie Smith <hes> and <hes> and and baseball in the eighties and in in the nineteen nineties which is when he pitched <hes> and then also now <hes> getting his his perspective <hes> but it's just in this is this is a guy. This is a guy like Avalon <hes> on a on a regular basis because it's just it's it's. We're talking baseball. We're talking baseball on a bit of a different way kind of kind of I think more how when when people are together bullshitting about baseball the ball they're bullshitting more John Castelo <hes> fashion of it so <hes> John Costello the former cardinal reliever and should be noted champion manager editor of fantasy the fantasy camp this year our guest presented by Mark Hanna Evergreen Wealth Strategies. We are in the home loan expert. Dot Com Studios Ryan Kelly the home loan expert Dot Com. com makes this podcast possible with his sponsorship of our studios. He is online at the home loan expert. Dot Com if you're looking to buy a home if you're looking to capitalize on the real estate market getting interest rates being low and refinance. Ryan Kelly is your person to go to he's online at the home loan expert Dot Com. He has been a supporter of this podcast since the beginning and we bring you interviews every week Pat Maroon last week John Kostenko this week he's presented by Mark Hanna of Evergreen Wealth Strategies Ladies and gentlemen here. He is the former card nor lever John Costello John. Thanks so much for coming in to the the magic that is this podcast APP through now you pause there. I felt pal. I felt like that was like kind of like you know what. Why am I here. You're thinking yourself. Why am I here. Why why did I agree to do this or you said the word magic as trying to figure out how you come up with that was very self-indulgent adding up some way <hes> I ah I knew he was a kid growing up watching the cardinals play but I became a bigger fan when I participated in the fantasy camp this past year and I I felt like you you put on a clinic not necessarily man managing. Although you did lead your team to the championship I should. I should note that in advance I did. Is that your first championship. Yes as a matter of fact lost the last three years in a row before this year in the championship game yes so I called up marv Levy and asked him. How can I prevent from losing four championships in a row and <hes> he gave me some advice. I can't share it. Anybody burden on a sheriff that ended up you guys got it done but it was the morning meetings and for those not familiar with this before every day we take the field each manager will come up there and kind of give a state of the union so to speak we kind a evaluate the players <hes> activities from the day before and constructive criticism and that's about all. I can elaborate right. That's right. I was told I could video anything but I was told the morning meeting is the sacred cow and there is an Omerta regarding what goes on in the morning meeting does not go outside the room. Yes means yes but that's where your star me. I can hook them up with your multiple phones. God <hes> so but but that's what I was like. I said I said if you <hes> the cardinal one. I said John Castello instant offense. You have the The New York dialect sorta reminded me of Jeffrey Ross the roast master general on Roast. That's what you reminded me of when you were standing up there talking talking and observing some of the maybe weaknesses of some of the members of your astor little Dennis Leary at Little Bill Burr Nice that's even better I think bill burr bill burs my favorite comedian so is okay so then that makes sense because there's kind of that pacing and then you grew up in the Bronx Bronx New York and <hes> falls New York City firemen. He moved us out to Long Island <hes> about the age of eight so I assume Yankees Fan believe or not mets fan. Will you just like a contrarian. Just just I start my father grew up five blocks from Yankee Stadium and for some reason became a dodgers fan I think he'd like the underdog so he started rooting for the dodgers as a kid in the forties forties and fifties and <hes> when the dodgers and the giants left for <hes>. The coast back in the late fifties <hes> he became met famine. It came into existence and believe it or not the mets colors are the burnt orange from the <hes> giants and the that's a mets callers glad fan because of that. I didn't know the history of it so you learn something now. This has become an educational podcast vocabulary and I'll teach you the team's uniforms and their colors so you're growing up and you're playing ball in New York but moved to long island long around and <hes> it was fortunate that my next door neighbor was the head of the literally in Oceanside Long Island so I ended up joining little league since I got there. The rest is history but I always curious when I talked to guys who play sports professionally like what level you're at when you were a kit. Were you like in another world and it was really clear that you were something or were you somebody who didn't really get it going until like your junior high school. I think God blessed me with a good right arm and the rest I had to work at. I didn't get blessed with a ninety five mile an hour fastball so I had to work at it and <hes> <hes> just make the most of what you have. It's like anything out air products. They don't work the same the same barber but I've wavy hair just kept waving goodbye but yeah you just whatever ability you have. You know it doesn't take any talent to hustle so I always tried out hustle people and out. No I guess not the Pete Rose Hustle but you know just try harder and the coaches took notice of that over time now you just develop your own style and take it to the next level so you're probably also not just a really good pitcher. You're probably a really good position player that that usually goes hand in hand as a pretty good shortstop <hes> not much of a hitter and <hes> I mean hit three twenty in college but I think it to fifty five and <unk> highschool. Usually you go down when you go up but then I've got the big leagues and bad. I mean let me see if I can for twelve aww I think is zero point zero zero you didn't. They don't even have the hitting staff here we go we do. They never stopped the game for that. I hidden over seven punch outs. I don't have to look it up. You know it. I know seven of actually they have. You listed with nine strikeouts. I don't then you might want to call my friends on three and eighty eight five in eighty nine and then somebody got you all these years of therapy and is just starting to get over it and I I used Omerta and the strike outs that so you're playing in high school. Were you like one of the best pitchers in the New York area that <hes> I'm not in the New York area. Maybe in my high school in the Big Leagues. I was always that guy that I I was good but I he's never that like blue chip right. So were you playing with guys playing against guys. Black guys sick yeah. I played against vile and high school. Oh wow school cool. He's good. He's actually a hell of a hill hitter back then too so he's he's a stud. John Mars remember that name but yeah it was on the car he's on the cardinals yes and he he played for men from high school which is also school out in. Long Island so listen good ballplayers on Long Island. Could you tell with those guys that they had something that the rest of the roster didn't have. I always thought John Morris was gonNA make it and I also thought Frank Villa GonNa make it so that I think he's going to be a pitcher position. You know what John Morris. I thought it was gonNA make it as a pitcher. That's pitchy was back then but he made as a position player and is now filler and <hes> Frank Viola obviously made it as a pitcher yeah but he could hit cy young award winner shut the cardinals down in <hes> in the eighty seven world series so as things progress you go to college where to go to college. I went to college at Mercy Hearst College in Erie Pennsylvania and you're playing ball there. Yes shortstop in in the snow in snow. Excuse me the College World Series Team Teams. Come for Mercy Hurst area. Don't see that too often. Although now they have a heck of a program do they put it on the map and now they're taking it from that you put it on the map and now that you've won a championship happy chip fantasy camp. I would have to think they might be interested in bringing you on to well you know they try to bring me back. In a few major league teams contacted me to manage you might go right <hes> yeah but I've turned them down and I'm going to stay with Bug Dynasty Down Yup Dynasty that comes from timberline fisheries as a plug homeless. Amos plug for Todd Goodman <hes> Todd Goodman owns timberline fisheries and we've been together eight or nine years now and we weren't so good the first several years but let some great drafts. We've we've done some good drafting and recruiting and maybe bribing a few players can play but now over the over the years we've accumulated did a pretty good group of guys and <hes> actually great group of guys and Pretty Good Group of ballplayers. I had no idea how fun that thing was going to be really the morning meetings probably like the highlight that's the best part art but just hanging out with people and how great the Cardinal Alumni to hang out with the campers the thing that stood out to me from a baseball standpoint that was super eye opening opening like Ryan Franklin was on my team in Ryan Franklin would have gotten at bat in a major league game he probably would have either been told by Larussa Fini don't swing and then if he he did swing it probably would have been three pitches and that would wrap it up and it would look a little embarrassing and then Ryan Franklin is on our team and he is raking a- and it just like Dave Veres God bless him. Oh we are facing campers. I know guys who in our minds is. Fans are like well they can't Edworthy crap and then they go out to the big league level. You're you're correct. I mean my my hitting prowess as example that nine shots in twelve at bats and all these years. I thought it was but anyway we all get hit in high school. In College. I never was much of a hitter stated earlier but I could always throw and I could feel but we we were all good athletes back. When we were younger. No the Major League pitchers you see now struggling at the plate where studs in high school and college but then you don't so you don't hit in the Minor Leagues H. and I'll explain the whole minor league system basically there's prospects and then there's suspects and I was as a suspect or as I would also be known as a roster filler trying to help the prospects get to the big leagues. That's how the minor league system really works out really works but if you put up enough numbers and keep doing well and busting your tail over time somebody will take notice and if you get that break you can actually make it to the big leagues and do something and you did <hes> you did in eight with the cardinals now as far as drafting goes to the cardinals drafty. Were you drafted by somebody. At the by the Saint Louis Cardinals and nineteen eighty eighty three all right they had just won the world series and eighty two so I figured they wanted to repeat set drafted made that was the reason that was the reason and you get there in eighty eight once again fresh off of a not a world championship but a a penny in eighty seven <hes> correct. Take me back to the moment when you get get the word that you're going to be a big leaguer. I was actually in Syracuse New York. At the time when I got the phone call and Mike Jorgensen was my manager and Aaa Mike Team Lewellen it was Louisville Kentucky back then but we are on the road so we are in Syracuse and he called me into the office to tell me that I was going the major leagues and <hes> as they say going to the show and first phone call was the my mom to tell her that I was called up to the big leagues. Oh man it's pretty neat. Were you you expecting it where you kind of like man. It's overdue. What was your mindset. We know I wasn't expecting it. At all. I was performing while I was pitching while the closer at the time and <hes> I didn't start ars the closer but I started pitching well and and three weeks at eleven saves and when Terry Pendleton pulled a hamstring white. He needed an extra pitcher for for that day deal that he was going on so I was called up to fill the gap those ten days but you stuck around a lot longer than ten days. Yes is Fatima got called up at assign a AAA contract to go back in ten days as well as my major league contract but I told myself I said I'm not going back if I can help it and after ten days I think I'd ten or eleven innings in and I hadn't hadn't given up a run yet so I ended up sticking around so what is the take me back to what that's like. In Eighty eight the difference between what you're experiencing in Syracuse New York and traveling around AAA table and what it's like the major league level and eighty eight well it just went from you know triple as great competition. GIMME wrong and everybody's trying like heck to get at the big league <hes> but all sudden you get to the big leagues and everybody's pulling for each other. I mean Danny Cox was on the disabled list when I got called up and he'd be the first guy to shake your Dan coming off the mound. Whether you had a good outing bad outing it was like more of a team unity thing in the major league level and obviously the fields were in better condition the <hes> conditions the travel had people ask you packing your bags and unpacking them for you and he had meals at at the ballpark that you could actually eat some AAA places you didn't want to eat. They just wanted to go to the hotel neat but <hes> it just everything just gets better yeah and and as far as Bush dating that's the astroturf days at a Siesta turf is in <hes>. I think it's at one level below street level so it really held the heat well as a matter of fact is a famous quote by Casey stangl in the sixty five all star game the headed here Busch Stadium and they asked him what he thought of the new ballpark. I think he was one hundred and thirty five on the turf at that time and he just said well. It holds the heat well. I mean that thing was unreal. A fan was on real like those seek. You couldn't sit down. I can't imagine being on the field as I remember pitching three innings one day thirty five two hundred and forty on the turf and you literally would drenched from sweating out out there that put some towels is buckets amount of Monja in there to help wake you up a little bit but soon as you jog back around now the eighty eight cardinals were coming off like I said a pennant but didn't win the division. That was a match here. What do you remember about these. These teams you're with because he eighty nine cardinals were the Nixon you're part of the eighty nine cardinals and you guys right there like into September and then the cubs went away every ended up going on a six game losing streak and they won six games in a row so in eighty nine and a and I turned it around but that was a rookie and I was just happy to be there. I mean we didn't contend for anything but I was just at the ballpark the other night and they honored the two thousand thousand four team fifteen year in and I'm waiting for them to honor the third-place eighteen. It's overdue. I've been talking talking to Joe. Five for for the last three years so next year. I'm hoping they're going to honor the nineteen ninety team all the team that finished last ditch interested in last place crush so now I'm I'm pushing for that. The the thirtieth anniversary thirtieth anniversary last place Nineteen Ninety Carlos. It was so bad. Why do you quit. I know that what was that day like I know I remember numbers. Fan You guys I think we're in San Francisco San Diego San Diego right in the right state and I was already gone by the way you were already gone serving so I tell people because the team was bad that Whitey quit was because he treated the Montreal right and he couldn't do it without me so he just said I'm now you actually worked in San Diego or San Francisco. You were probably talking talking over over talking French or English and Vince Coleman. I think got tossed from a game get an argument Ed Montague and it was ugly and the next day while he's like I'm done with this thing well. I think the the real reason was <hes> Gussie had passed away before and and why do you want it to keep players like Vince Coleman Terry Pendleton Willie McGee Ozzie Smith obviously the nucleus of that team together and when he saw the writing on the wall that they were going to be split up and he wasn't going to treat the team the way that Gussie had exactly and so he's passionate Ashington cardinals and now dewitt's have done a great job that I growing up watching the car getting drafted by them and playing for them with Anheuser is Bush on them as kind of a neat deal yeah that was losing gase. I think it was a big reason why they ended up and he was really close with him very close to them yeah. Why didn't him good buddy. Uh when you're when you're playing for those teams I mean that's still you still. Have you mentioned that nucleus. What was it like watching having Ozzie Smith on the left side of the infield behind behind you you know having the speed that was in the outfield <hes> the speed in the outfield helped me better or 'cause. I very rarely would get a ground ball smartphone. Tell this story first game in a big not into babies but first game at Shea Stadium Ricky Horton's got a three nothing shutout. It's the seventh inning mcreynolds is up and I've done well against mcreynolds so whitey figures get me in there. Get through the seventh inning and we get to ten daily and Todd well the finished out while after about eight pitches it still wanted to to McDonald's ozzy runs says hey we could use a ground ball as I hit that. It'd be great person second. Nobody out that that'd be a great thing to have so after another few pitches is I try it down down and try and get the double play ball and utilize thirteen time gold glover the next thing I know at balls landing in the left Centerfield bleachers for a three-run homer. The apple is up. The apple is up so is <hes> recordings blood pressure from Washington his three nothing shutout turned into a three game and then <hes> anyway long story short. I ended up trying to pitch out of character basically where I was a fly ball strikeout pitcher. I tried to get a ground ball and not a good idea do you did you look over at the wizard. No and you know Mike Rock asked me. What did he say? Did you and I said nothing. He just said you know he pumping in there and he got some Rosin and I think he knew better but it wasn't a bad idea. At the time I mean I wasn't getting them out with my high fastball trying to again the fly out or strike out and I might not get drowned Baldo. It'd be great but the next day I'm sitting in the bullpen and this guy bugged me for about five innings for a baseball. Fox's kid and it's almost if I can't give you one but if one comes into the bullpen I'll give it to you because commodity my kid's birthday and he had thick New York accent and I'm from New York so even I knew Louis Eh thick anyway. He kept asking me for one fine. I says you can't give you WANNA give everybody comes in in the bullpen he goes. I said I'll give it to you and he goes. That's alright. I'll get later when you go into pitch and he was sitting in the same bleaches where the home run mcreynolds hit off me tonight before landed so it was kind of funny and everybody laughed and I was too funny at the time but anyway kept bugging me and then finally Frontino said hey do we go to the sanitation department and yell at you. You and you're trying to work. He goes you know be quiet but <hes> that's part of baseball. You know which bullpen was the toughest I want to do because they tell me now. I guess it's called Oracle used to be A._T. And T. Park in San Francisco was brutal brutal because I guess the bullpens ride along and that was brutal back in the day two we played at candlestick candlestick with at your Allan Poe but he said the coldest winter we ever found was a summer in Frisco. Well we'd sit in Frisco. It'd be forty degrees out of game time and the fans of not only brutal on you but sometimes throw stuff in and it was just not a good location for bullpen what was Wrigley like in the eighties really wasn't bad <hes> do right against the wall then down the line and the fans ends are very accessible to you so you can hear them to and it's all good natured was a game that Ricky Horton was about to go into and some guy was smashing ketchup and mustard packets on the wall and splattering him out towards him warming up before he went into a game and get out to the mound wide. He's like what are you guys having a barbecue down there ed muster in Castroville over his uniform but that's <hes> Chicago for you. You know I've been the Wrigley clubhouse which hasn't changed that much since when you were pitch I mean it's like a high school locker room. It's it's bad but what were what were the ballpark's like. I'm I'm sure you've been into some of these things. Since then in there like palaces yeah I I just recently in the cardinals Cobb Asan competitive <unk>. It's really nice. It's nice to have <hes> the modern day amenities whatever but we were I think close knit group back then because we'd sit around and talk baseball and after the game would sit around and talk some baseball but it seems like these guys are all into their electronics and they're watching video. I think Tony when was the first one to start watching video back in our day but <hes> I guess is it just more modernized. 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If they're going to meet up with a AH the fairer sex they'll do it via an APP because they don't want to get caught and happen to have a beer in their hands than somebody takes a picture and post in there under a microscope exam <hes> and <hes> and not that the not as tightly knit as us but even talked to read Sandy's and he said he feels sorry for the ball players of the modern era error or nowadays because they don't go out as a team known as a group than back in his data <unk> suit and tie the go listen to guys like Frank Sinatra Vic Damone playing playing in Manhattan and it did be tight knit group where now they kind of all go different ways and the not as tight but you know it's just the way society what is changed lower. You guys like what were you guys doing. We went out and met not necessarily as a team but we went out in groups. Be a group of four four or five. s going to dinner together or whatever so you're on especially on the road. You're tighter knit group that home. Everybody went their own was weird. Spot ninety because the cardinals especially especially the core group had done nothing but win win pennants and then all of a sudden mean except team. If I'm not mistaken you get into the fact that once you went to Montreal free all the team chemistry went away yeah did it kind of fell apart but when the team was struggling was that did that carry over into the clubhouse because I think the team had high expectations nations. That year was a surprise yeah. There were some big henry carryover into the clubhouse. CLUBHOUSE got some good leaders with Ozzie and Tom Fernandez and guys at that so I don't think it really really came into the club as much it was just aren't performing and it's tough to play performed. What was the League minimum in. I would imagine that's what you were getting when you first came up when I came up four seventy five. I think I might even be higher than five hundred yeah. I didn't get that it's <hes> I don't think that my whole career and look it up on baseball report. It was sixty five thousand dollars a year when I he to five. I hate to give you a strike outs and more strike less money. It's a mess today ten eighty eighty five and eighty nine ninety one hundred five. That's what that's what they're saying on. Baseball reference does that does that make sense to you. Yes that sounds all right. What are they get this stuff. I don't know but I was definitely underpaid. You should go back and ask for something. I mean you are fantasy. League educated yeah. I don't think I'll do that because I'm glad just to get invited Charles Hamster. I'M NOT GONNA ask for any more money. <hes> when it all wraps up you go oh from the expos to the padres and spent a year in San Diego correct. What was that like that was good. I mean you can't beat the weather around. Every day is eighty three to eighty five at the most and at night seventy to seventy five and just perfect weather. That's a lot of people like to live. There might be the number. One place for former athletes to live got some padding. Lewis is right there to San Diego Atlanta and St. Louis. That's absolutely right. You gotta be but <hes>. No it was awesome got to play another hall of Famer Tony Gwynn but was like watching that person is a lot better watching it from the bullpen and it was from the mound it. You didn't see him coming up. He was only one for three of me but that is his lifetime batting average three hundred thirty three so no. Tony was just <hes> machine. I mean you know I'd like to see them. Try The shift on him first of all they wouldn't try that because he hit ever w absolutely basically he hit where was pitched and that's what was so great about Tony Grant and he studied not only the pitchers he was gonNA face on that road trip or that homestand he he studied the relievers. He knew what was coming. We're other guys doing that and he just had ridiculous ability or is it just his commitment thing. He was wanted to first start doing it. He would carry these V._H._S. tapes. I don't remember those of course they played a Dallas Cowboy. Sewer balls on coming giants fan because <hes> yeah there's. No D._V._D.'s with the Dallas cowboys play playing in any kind of playoff but <hes> anyway <hes> yeah Tony would bring a whole suitcase full of these cassettes and he would study the pitchers and <hes> he had great guy guide even ability but he w- he worked Ozzie Ozzie had great god-given ability as well but he worked that he took more ground balls and anybody on the team and that's why he was there are thirteen time gold glover covering the team and pools was here. You know people be like addio because he was he was at times groff to deal with from media standpoint but I don't blame guys not WanNa do interviews but he he really was. He was working his ass off even though he was the best player in the game and that's why they're the best Michael Jordan same thing yeah just obsessed they're assessed would be in the best and they they work hard anybody to be the best. Were you obsessed like growing up we have. I'm Mike. It just wasn't the best I was GONNA. I was called on to do I was good at but <hes> and there's another level I mean I just watched the hall of fame inductions and you get to. I love it. It's just you know they. They're the best of the best what is it. I know this might be getting into like kind of like old course dude. What do you think but like what separates a guy from like it's major leaguer so when you're talking about seven hundred of the best in the world but then there's that twenty five that are different world than you know twelve or pitchers twelve or position players like what do they have. That's a good question. If I knew that I would ask them did get something but well you know. It's just it's just work ethic. It's the you gotTa have the natural ability and <hes> they just take that next and its consistency. You have to stay healthy you you have to do it over the course of a fifteen to twenty two getting all fame and I feel like I'm very instrumental in getting Ozzie and Tony Gwynn into the hall of fame. Did they end N. Tim Raines. I played with him in mentioned cooperstown and their speed and not one of them. Wow I thought I thought for sure why he was going through but they all forgot me is alarming best player you ever pitched against best player. I have a chance I could tell you. One of the best interview me who owned me. Yeah Lenny dykstra Lenny Dykstra nine for sixteen. I'm sure you'll look it up and say he was twelve with but ah I bounced a slide as lenny ripped down the line foul and I was just bounce. Didn't he still hit me say he he <hes> he kinda. He liked facing me best teammates. You had best teammate. That's a good question. There's so many <hes> you know if I had to pick WANNA go at Bob Fourche Bob Four Bob what was great about him because it seemed like he wasn't necessarily like wasn't a vocal writer but he lead by example example and he was also a behind the scenes prankster that a lot of people didn't know some of the stuff he's done. He got paid back a few times which I can't talk about but that's the Omerta whatever that means anyway now yeah Bob Bob would do it on the radar but <hes> he's a seasoned in veteran that if you if you needed somebody get plunked hid plunk them if you needed eight hundred s Jeffrey Leonard Yes landed <hes> Pascual Peres comes to mind another guy that I punched out fourteen of us as he was striking out he was shooting us down with his finger and why basically came into the locker combs that I don't know who's pitching at our place but that S._O._B. needs to go down here and <hes> Bob the pitching all perfect timing and I think the first one was way away inside ball one second one was behind all too and the third one jumped up about three or four miles an hour and him in a cage and Danny tax they believe went up to the top step and was asking him if he wanted to shoot anybody and not one guy in Montreal moves off. That ben does a lot now. You don't Shaw another team when you're beating them that some unwritten rules baseball <hes> as far as the most talented player that you were around and whether this team or against a team like you look back man. I can't believe I played in this. This guy was on the field. Would that be Gwynne besides myself of course that was that was understood. Actually Tony Room is the best hitter yeah and Ozzy was probably the best athlete all around Athletes Yeah but there's another gentleman. I'll put in there <hes> Andy Van Slyke. That's my workout buddy next door. He not only could beat you at his arm he could beat to his glove and he could beat you with his bat so and it was a heckman athlete and I didn't like him too much because he hit me pretty. You know you don't want to say this because he already has a healthy sense of self as it is yes yes he does but if you don't have that you go in that the drive to be the best and you're not. GonNa Compete at that high level so you have to have that confidence about you know. They say you're cocky. It's how you carry yourself. Some guys can be too cocky like Jeffrey Leonard and and then there's other guys that just carried himself with confidence like when you saw Tony Gwynn come into the plate. Everybody knew he's the best in the game at the time and especially the pitcher because you have to face him but it was just that swagger confidence which you have to have if you don't have that if you don't think you'd have best you're not going to be able to compete against the best. Did you ever cross paths with bonds binds. I faced my only a couple of times. I'm not sure don't look it up because I don't correct me again but <hes> yeah I did but <hes> you know what he he wasn't the type of guy. I would want as talented as he was. He was you know definitely a hall of fame even without taking anything he it just wasn't the best teammate and you guys on your team. No matter how talented they ought to be a great team and is he was a great teammate. Tony Gwynn was a great teammate but <hes> and I didn't play the bonds. I shouldn't maybe say anything about it but you came across did play with came across. He was more interested in about himself doing well. Then did the team when I was doing television. I I was twenty three when I started and I'm like I thought it I all these guys. WanNa do interviews and then it took about a week three allies. No no one wanted to do interviews and that was that was eye opening so then it kind of became a sport for me to see how they would tell me to piss off so when bonds came to town in two thousand. I'm like this'll be great. He's really gonNA tell me to go off myself now so I walk in there and sure enough. He's in that leather chair. We always heard about that was in his contract that he would have his own weather chair and he was sitting in there and said. Hey Barry got time to do a one finger. He's going to tell me to go and he goes. Why do you want to talk to me and I I don't know pretty good ballplayer and he goes are let me think about only God and he comes out and he does a twenty minute one on one interview with me unbelievable the whole time fans are screaming at them to do in to sign an autograph. I said you know if you just walked over there and we're done. I said this during the interview probably pretty <hes> irresponsible I suppose in hindsight and I said sign that for those that five minutes he would do that. Everybody there would remember that the rest of their lives because you don't understand. We don't get paid to do that though he goes. I don't get paid to do interviews here. I'll do interviews with you and then you'll go and say I said something that I didn't say and then you use it against me and I'm not getting paid to do this and that was just kind of his Co.. To measured and sign autographs and a lot of guys guys didn't but then you get a guy like Stan musial who would sign for any and everybody would go into that office. Dan The man inside absolutely and I don't blame them because you know you get to that level. I've never been that little obviously but an Ozzie Smith Barry Bonds. You know some of the best that ever play the game. They don't have a whole lot of privacy. You can't go out to dinner at a public restaurant. You can't almost go anywhere without being recognized so I understand that part about being guarded and the fact he did that is that that's pretty good if he has made yeah and like I said I wasn't his teammate. It just came across. Sometimes he seemed more about himself than the team. Yeah 'cause sometimes they'd it'd be making a pitching changes. It'd be sitting against the wall and he's like annoyed that they came back and tied the game after he just got to leave for them or whatever but but now that's why. I went to Andy Andy he would be the guided you want on your team because he he cared and he played hard and he was for few here's they're just as talented as anybody in the game we'll the look on his face after sid bream scores in that game after he and and and he's been in here <hes> and and he talks about how he was telling bonds to move on to move up and then bonds covers up the glove flips him off and of course the ball drops in right in front of the thing. If if you're good teammate you gotTA realize the Center. Field is the field general feel right the captain if he's telling you to move because he knows something is not telling you to move out because he thinks thinks he's better than you and your. Barry Bonds at the time probably the best player in the game him and Ken Griffey junior and he's like. I don't have to listen to you all day Ryan. I got got a good arm. I'll throw them out from here or whatever and if he would have moved up sid bream I mean I could beat him in a race right now even back in ninety two and even David a Bryan out <hes> but you know and then you just have van Slyke sitting there with is like hat over his eyes and can't get up from the Fulton County Stadium Field and he's just like you've gotta. It'll be kidding me. You've housed that's baseball. I mean who would have thought needing fewer would have given up the run to a Jack Clark. Even pitched wonder underwrite yeah. I can still see Pedro Guerrero slamming and slamming field and I think Andy Van Slyke was on deck. That's right love talking about that pitch clock instead A._M. And who is on deck when Bobby Thomson is famous woman the giants. I don't have that one. Willie mays really wow how look it up. You've been looking at your salary and strike. I thought it was bad information. Contact the people at there's a google mistakes. When you see the game now take your pick of whatever element the home runs all the strikeouts no stolen bases the money everything being on television run over the catcher cannot run over the catcher other example. You gotta be careful sliding in a second trying to break up a double play instant replay Eh. What do you think of all this you like it. You dislike it sure you wish you would play it in this era making minimum there. It's not that I don't like I I. I watched the cardinals all time and I still love the game of baseball but I think money's changed the game. I mean <hes> Posey got hurt. I think that's what changed. The ruled ruled sliding homepage barreling over the catcher. Do you like that rule that they've changed. I don't like okay. I can see how you're trying to protect these great athletes and some of your best hitters and players on the team. You don't WanNa get hurt but at the same time it's still called hardball for a reason you know and I understand you don't want to get people hurt taking cheap shots and if somebody does achieved shot throw them out of the game but Posey at her I think he broke his ankle on a hard slide into the plate and when stars and your league start getting hurt and beyond disable sable as they're making you know twenty to thirty million dollars a year. That's that's going to hurt your team and you know everybody's playing for their own statistics. We're back in our day vince would walk still second ground ball to the right side of the infield moved them over the third sacked fly to the outfield he tags up and scores whereas we got one nothing lead and we don't even have a hit yet but that's the way we played white ball small ball and now guys don't want to give themselves up to maybe move that run over third base because when they go to arbitration they're. GonNa use that against him that he didn't Bat X. Amount you only about a two fifty where you could have maybe bad to eighty if he didn't give yourself up all the times uh-huh because you're trying to help the team win by moving runners over this corner position now that was the cardinals daddy's and it was the best you that style i. I'm always curious especially guys who played on those those teams if that could work now well and you know. Somebody asked why did that question. I don't think it would because the ballparks are a little smaller than Mars no more astroturf and <hes> yeah his his teams are built on speed pitching and defense and we had the fastest team in baseball had some pretty good pitching and awesome defense defense. That's with one the two teams that were the best teams that I can remember as lifelong cardinal fan the eighty-five cartels ridiculous and the Oh four Carnot four-car Natto far different two best teams in baseball both of those years and probably for many other as well but yeah we had <hes> I acting magazine. He got hurt right before the two thousand four world carpenter did Lithuania got hurt in two thousand with the hunting nine two thousand and one Anki then I've got to meet these things all blur together memory and if I don't I just look up your your striped out all I do but I'd be curious. eighty-five have cardinals that style with what you had one. Guy Clark hit over thirty home runs the Oh four cardinals had a bunch of guys you know with Edmunds rolling pools I well. I don't know maybe he's up in a cabin in Alaska with a few other guys like Scott Norwood and the guy who was indicted or running the tarp and that guy's gotta be banished somewhere almonds on that Tina fey he's up in a cabin with Leeann. Let you know Scott Got Norwood <hes> Darkman whoever you're pissed a bunch of guys up in that cabin playing at the top ran I think one mile per hour and fans happens without stretching before the game and <hes> he didn't see a common and apparently nobody else did either by the time it got to it was leg started rolling up on his ankle and they tried to stop it with some bats. They'd try to wedged bats under the Stop it from Hebron but is a mechanical thing so I just kept rolling <music> all my guy. I didn't know that part of the store and just caught him off guard so they can see this is like rolling up on his leg. The Fastest Guy in baseball getting run over by a tarp that but he was around for the dodgers series right happened in between the dodgers and the world series it happened right before the world series as just bad timing because <hes> Vincent health today beat the royals and five games. Oh my God they were up. Maybe forty one was didn't realize this. I went to the University of Missouri. I had no idea the about this Kansas City thing but Kansas City's got a thing with Saint Louis and so they any I still. It's been what thirty five years ago deck and glad fact. Why do you gave them a two thousand fifteen. You can't correct me because I'm correct on that doesn't fifteen. He gave <hes> deck enjoy while gave everybody on that team a watch such a nice watch but he gave decorator Braille Watch and who took it well. I mean why didn't him a friends and they understand it. He blew the call. I mean we all knew he blew the call right <hes> he. He's a good sport about it and it's water under the bridge right. He got into the hall of fame without that. Why do you did wonder before he golfing often the world. Championships could've had three because Jack Clark got hurt and he wasn't hurt too. I could be wrong. The check nine strike as I had a sixty two five instead of sixty five and eighty eight got to pay the twenty five hundred back they call Ya. This'll be edited out. Don't worry about <hes>. What do you think a replay replay wasn't around when you were pitching obviously would have helped in eighty five. I think for playoffs and world series. I like it for regular season games not so much dragging it out and I don't I don't I think that doing somebody said in the Atlantic League or somewhere a strike zone if they ever go to a mechanical strike zones. I think that's our electric strikes. I think that's just going to take away from the game. I mean you're already can't run over. The catchy can't slide into the second too hard. I mean it's like I said earlier. It's still hard ball. You still got to play the game the way it was meant to be played. I mean look look at Pete Rose in the game and he was in seventy two. Maybe I don't know when I don't have Google in front of me anyway. He knocks over Ray Fosse and knocked him back. They say it changed his career path but <hes> it's an all star game but back then they played that game for pride and they played played hard and Pete Rose played the game hard anybody yeah he was <hes> he was bad crap. I mean you would never see that game in two thousand nine hundred ninety nine you can. It's more about the Homerun Derby Yeah. That's the name of the game as you look at the cardinals right now. You say you watch their their first place. They're doing doing well. I mean everybody's a little apprehensive didn't want to get too excited about being in first but at the same time goldies getting hot and goes MIC can stay hot. He can carry a team for one yeah and <hes> I I'd like to see us deadlines deadlines and four hours four and a half hours so I haven't gotten any calls you are available but I don't think mosaic wants to look at guys like but <hes> I would love to see him. Pick up a pitcher on the starter. I started starter yeah if they could get one front-line star or somebody like syndergaard or Stroman who the mets picked up power goes to the rest. It kind of Stan was running if the mets are gonNA try make another blockbuster deal before the deadline and you stroman part of that but that's what I was wondering. I'm wondering if the reds will do that with power I don't I don't doing doing usually you see the buyers. Just throw the ball. What did you think of that. Yes in Kansas City on Sunday <hes>. I don't think he did it to show up. Tito coming out to get him. I think he was just frustrated. Did them yeah and I like that. Yeah and you know what that's a heck of a throw he he actually threw it over the fence from the mound and he didn't say a crow hobby and I couldn't believe it it now. Could you when you were playing could you would you be on the disabled list right after they try to throw it. I knew I wouldn't want to do that with Whitey Herzog anyway. Why did you ever when he came out heck. No yeah there is one rule is taught since I got called up one when you go out to the mound opened up your glove and why you replace the ball in it and if you get taken out of the game do not open that same glove and having reached the take it out you hand him the baseball wow it was as a show of respect that I have that on my phone. It's a picture from nineteen eighty nine where it shows me coming into the game and white he's taken the ball and putting it into my glove because everybody keeps tease me. Is he taking you out and I said No. I'm actually coming in 'cause my gloves open and he's putting the ball. If I was coming <music> out you'd see the ball in my hand and me handing it to Whitey. No I would never ever ever say anything to Whitey fact. I didn't hardly talk to him. I I'm good friends that are now but back back then was he intimidate intimidating and I would just not my head this son of a gun. I'd go out hit. Tell you the situation and tell you how many outs <music> who was on base but the hitter and in his go get them and that was it and I was I did was not in my head who are the other managers who played for obviously not played one block riders and Montreal. He was is a pretty good manager yeah and Greg Ridi- in San Diego. I'm not sure how he got that job. That doesn't sound like his leg rid. Iraq act was probably the worst manager. Well definitely the worst manager I ever played for but maybe the worst manager ever yes. I can say that now. They don't work for them anymore. What we what made Whitey so good <hes> he he was three four five moves ahead of the magic manage against E._s. Jet He could take his team beat yours and then take your team and come back and beat his then. That's the saying about good manager. He was but he was he knew he knew you would guys to put into its situations to make them the most successful they could be and would help the team be successful three sabermetrics right and I. I can't imagine you like sabermetrics stunned to fix editor. Giant castello is a big fan of uh part of the game or the shift part of the game and Tony Larussa Russa used computers and white. He had a computer in his head and it is part of the game. I think it is a necessary thing to utilize but you can't bank everything on it. Sometimes you gotta go by Your Gut and your hunches and your baseball knowledge and I mean why do you learn from Casey. STANGL wanted a bath and why would all his experience as a player in the big leagues and then as a manager player had player development for the mets then it became measuring taxes than the royals and obviously cardinals and the guy is he's forgotten more about baseball and most people will ever know that's how smart he isn't and he just was so far ahead of everybody else in the game. Do you take take any of that and use it for your for your managing it fantasy camp. I do but not nearly at that level. I kind of compare myself itself. No although I do have one championship and so he's so this is out there but now if viewer on his twenty five man roster you utilized and you are important and that's what made him so good 'cause. Everybody busted their talent. He only had to rule shrove on time and buster town yeah well John. I have enjoyed having you and thank you for coming in <hes> the the morning meetings. That's classic material. I know it will never be shared anywhere because of the Omerta that we spoke of that you brought up you brought up the Omerta the OMERTA. Can you spell that. Oh that's a good start yeah. Well you know I it. It's we have a lot of C._E._O.'s of companies. We have a lot of people that come down to these cans and they spend a lot of money to come to these fantasy camps and I think it's the best fancy cam baseball it's incredible and they wanna feel a part of the experience of being in that locker room of a major league baseball team and we give them that experience and they love it and we love it and it's one of those camaraderie things they feel a part of being ran that uniform the birds on the bat the history of the cardinals. I mean besides the Yankees we are probably the most storied history franchise in baseball and and so you got the Yankees Cardinals Arnold experience that it really truly is the best the only thing that I was worried about talked about the sniper. You see a lot of guys feel they can relive the glory days they come hustling down the first baseline gets him at first base hit to the outfield they think they're Vince Coleman and they sprint data that box and they around first base and first base that hamstrings blown out or the calf blown out. It's because the mind is willing. Gold Mine says you're still twenty ninety five but the body is not and something's gotta give the sniper yeah. The cyber definitely will find you John. Thanks so much all right. Tim Thank you for having me. Thank give so. Here's my conversation with John. Costello from the home loan expert Dot Com studios <hes> guys just <hes>. He's just system using. I really feel like that's the guy that like we cardinal guest he watches the game very closely <hes> and just to kind of give an honest assessment of <hes> of what he sees <hes> that's more my style and he's just you know. Ministers Textbook Ball Boston kind of humor <hes> uh not happy about <hes> thinking he made sixty five thousand in one thousand nine hundred eight realizing it's now sixty two thousand five hundred and <HES> and not realizing that he had struck out nine times times in the major leagues when he thought going into this interview for now thirty years that it was only seven times he told a story we were wrapping up that <hes> he faced Fernando Valenzuela and <hes> he crushed a ball that was second deck home run at the Old Busch stadium but he hit so hard it went right to left left and just foul by about a foot and then the next pitch Valenzuela through screwball and he missed it by ten feet and that wrap that up and that he grind it in a bad against just white gooden he thinks it might have been opening day at Shea Stadium and <hes> in good and just going on camera fast but he kept falling off it was like one to for like seven or eight pitches and and then good like okay fine and then he throws the breaking ball and John said he missed it by you know ten feet goes in the dirt so he has to run down the first Gary Carter ran over to get the ball gets them by a foot and then Keith Hernandez says <hes> that's like you made an out twice struck out and you got thrown out and it's like this. 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Howard Schultz

"Welcome back to the court this week on the Corp.. We have two great interviews is Howard Schultz. You know him he created starbucks should probably drinking a starbucks right now so a couple of things. I WanNa get to hear a rod one. This was the first time that you allowed Hank and myself to fly on a rod corpse private jet. Were you nervous about leading us on their yes. I tell yeah 'cause no one talked to us and also I was worried. I smelled that he actually had week cleanse that up pretty good afterwards and I stacked the a lot of food because I knew you were coming. Yes no the the the flight attendant was being kept on coming up and it's like you guys want more food. More food also shout your daughter. Maybe the most power move I've ever seen in my entire life. We got sweet potato fries. She was walking by and she just took one. I was like there you go. That's I mean that's Rodriguez right there so it was fun though we really appreciate that it took it took a couple years of of like grinding new down but it was fun because we went out to to Seattle to interview Howard Schultz in person which was a great interview. We talked about all the you know starting starbucks his life as a poor kid in Brooklyn growing up and I wanted to do one thing here a little preview thing. We you know we throw in a nugget something. You've never heard so seattle going back to Seattle. Obviously a little bit of a homecoming because that's where you started your career so my question for you so when you do go back to. Seattle do you ever. Is there a small party. That's like kind of wish I had stayed here done my whole career here because you see guys do their whole career for one team at something a little different. Do you ever have that feeling. When you go back to Seattle and look there's always a romance about you know starting and finishing rushing I mean finishing what you started and for me started as an eighteen year old no further place domestically to Miami then Seattle diagonally across the country I knew that starbucks was the I knew. Boeing was there but I was like I'm one step from Alaska but playing it the kingdom was comforting plane with the greatest players in the world three hall of Famers Ken Griffey Junior Randy Johnson and now Edgar Martinez and in Hall of Fame Type Manager and Lupino. It was awesome. I A lot of that for me. Dan kind of went away when we cross the street to Safeco Field Griffey went to Cincinnati Lou Pinella. ended up leaving for me. It was like perfect timeline for me to go. Were you at all close like what was that contract negotiation like Seattle Seattle in the running. What do you remember they were close a dollar figure. They weren't close you know Pat Gillick who Hall of Fame General Manager The one with the Blue Jays twice and build up a Baltimore and just one of the best general managers he felt that he was gonna pay me a super premium but for a shorter period of time and at that time being twenty four and a free agent I was looking for the year right right so there was never was there ever never a moment where you almost did it where it was like. We were close to staying with Seattle but it just didn't work out or was always. I'm Outta here they did something very smart and I think more teams need to today is call it my junior year the year right before free agency nineteen ninety nine. I was a free agent. After the year two thousand thousand they handed me an envelope and that envelope had it was about one hundred and forty five million dollar offer. I'm twenty three years old. I'm like Holy Shit. 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Howard Schultz was the chairman and CEO Uh-huh starbucks for almost twenty five years and Co founder of a consumer tech investment firm called Mavin former owner of the Seattle Supersonics in his also a proud husband of Sherry and a father of two hour grew up in New York Archie Bait baby projects in New York City becoming the first person is entire family to attend college and Northern Michigan University and started at Xerox after college becoming the general manager a Swedish drip coffee maker in Nineteen eighty-one visited a store called starbucks coffee company in Seattle and obviously the rest of great history so Howard first of all. Thank you so much for being on our show a great to be here thank you both. I've been a big Fan. I obviously I got here in one thousand nine. Hundred four arrived here a seventeen year old and I just knew the Seattle was the furthest place from Miami and the dodgers had the number two pick that year and truth truth be told. I was hoping that will go play for Tommy lasorda. We almost actually had deal done and the mariners drafted me God here and the entire city Eddie had cody of starbucks and obviously the culture you created here first of all. Just tell us a little bit about your childhood your New York sure so I grew up in the projects in public housing in Canarsie section of Brooklyn like so many the of us. My childhood experiences shaped my life. a number of different episodes produced a level of insecurity. Shame shame vulnerability of being a poor kid I when I was seven years old. My father was a truck driver picking up and delivering delivering cloth diapers before the invention pampers and he was a winter day he fell sheet of ice nine hundred sixty and basically if you're a blue-collar worker in nineteen sixty and had an accident you were dismissed fired soda with no health insurance no workers compensation and I at the very young age of seven kind of witnessed the fracturing of American family couldn't pay the ninety six dollars a month rent and went through a whole whole series of issues watching my parents struggle I never possibly imagined that one day I would be ambition to be part of a company build a company but everything I've done professionally at starbucks has been more or less to try and build the kind of company my father never got a chance the workforce so dignity and value and then twenty five years before the affordable care act providing companies have health insurance ownership for every employee and then three years ago free college tuition for everybody and so you know in the Environment Taurean now to hear people criticize vilify success or capitalism starbucks in so many ways is a I think emblematic of a company that's been built by balancing. Prophet and social responsibility and demonstrating that success can be shared so i WanNa talk about your college years and the fact that you're the first person in your family to go to college but before that sports growing up Yuccas because you know any I think we find when we talk to people entrepreneurs or people at the top of their profession. They have that competitive itch at an early age whether it be through through school or sports yeah. It seems like you were someone who had it through sports what we're sports like for you. When you were growing up so we had a school yard that was too small for all the buildings in the projects so from morning tonight there were three full court basketball courts and a school yard so all these kids came down at the exact same time eight nine o'clock in the morning to play one of those games and if you if you got in the game and you lost your basically. Siklie spent the next three hours sitting and waiting this is concrete so you did anything you possibly could to stay on that court and that drove a tremendous amount of competitive pressure. You did not want to sit for three hours. It was that kind of environment it was also an environment of a tremendous level community because the environment was very diverse so I grew up with kids very different than myself. We had one elevator in a building with eighty apartments very small. everyone shared the same kind of we were all in it together. we knew each other really well and then when I got to high school I was fortunate enough to play quarterback on a high school football team many many years ago and throw the ball. I was yeah I had a very good arm not not as strong as Alex's but that's another story yeah. and I was fortunate enough to be noticed one day by somebody who was looking it for another kid. It's really kind of weird story and that's how I got northern Michigan University. However when I went there to dream about a plane football I noticed that they were a little bigger Michigan. They weren't Brooklyn Yup and they wanted to move me to a wide receiver worse than that defensive back and I and I just not into that defensive stuff so I ended up not playing but I I went to school with Tom. Izzo and St Mary's right and so watching is the last week or so has been great yeah and can. I mentioned what I just told you say so you know my son Jordan and C. Game Com have this podcast call pull up and Izzo was on two weeks ago and he said something that was just so apropos for life and so the question was what kind of kids do you try and recruit and Izzo says streak kinds of kids kids like it kids who love it and kids will limit uh-huh I recruit kids will live that's awesome and and that you can take that and apply it to anything right business entrepreneurship sports and that is about sacrifice loving so something so much that you're willing to do anything and that also goes back to starbucks rex because the odds on nine hundred ninety seven when it had eleven stores one hundred employees today would be virtually impossible. Yeah it can only happen in America right so you would say you like sports. You like no. I loved it. I'm living he lives. starbucks live my family. I think yeah yeah you didn't live full. I did live the Yankees stone right yeah. Andrew tells about the Yankee. Look you own a sonics for well. We'll get there but baseball is one of your I love. I Love Baseball and your father yeah tell me about that yes so my father and I had a tough off relationship and he was very bitter came back from World War Two and never found his purpose but he was a massive Yankee Eh and so three or four times during the summer we would take the subway and go stadium and sit in right field and Roger Marris was right in front of a while so nineteen sixty one which we named the team yeah this sound crazy. I'm about the Yankees and so Whitey Ford number sixteens. He's pitching yeah Yogi Berra number eight or elston Howard number thirty two is catching Moose Karen. I base number fourteen Bobby Richardson Second Base Number One Tony Kubeck shortstop number ten clete Boyer Third Base Number Six the MIC is in center number seventy seventy Roger Marris in right field number nine and then left field is either blanchard or Tommy Trash fifteen manager manager three Casey stangl and Ralph Help Number Casey stangl thirty seven. Yes Ralph how this is. You know what this is. Can I just stop you for. This is very comforting because a lot of times. I think all the sports knowledge that I know has stopped me from being like really successful yeah because it's all just trash in my brain but hearing you rattle off the nineteen sixty one yankees yeah the person you are yeah look kids who listening at home. You can actually care about sports. It's and care about stupid statistics still making and there's so much about baseball strategically that applies to so much yeah because the game so much science game yes yeah in science and his failure. If you fail seven times okay right you you walk into the hall of fame and is really the gritty the the people that can actually persevere and deal with you know the negativity right and most people can't is is often not the most talented is people like Marino in jeeter and pettit. I mean there's probably a thousand pitchers that are better than Andy Pettitte yeah but if he's in the fall stadium knowing you will pick on top of anti pattern number forty eight forty six forty six. Ah would you buy the Yankees. They went for sale not for the price. They would be yeah. The only Yankees kicked the tires. Yeah it was a pretty last week and and talk to Reggie but the highlight you were in Tampa. I wasn't Wa the highlight for me. I I was just out of my mind talking Aaron. Judge and I could not believe the size of them. I mean to be that big and that athletic and so humble and such a gentleman ah what an x ray kid fantastic a lot of time I mean who brought him up through the minor leagues and he has not changed one bit. Here's a guy that's six foot. Seven two two hundred eighty pounds less than ten percent body fat as a thirty two inch vertical and can hit a ball five hundred feet. I told Major League baseball this week you should spend tens of millions of dollars marketing Aaron judge because he's the one guy that not only transcend sports but he's the one guy that you can build over the next couple of decades. He is is any place of the Yankees so so that's interesting. We'll get back to your business career but we alex and I always talk about it because I I love baseball but it's not my I love football more than anything and we always talk about baseball and image problem of having superstars. You grew up in a time when baseball players were they were like the American superstar Yankee Manager. Was the Tom Brady peyton manning or Aaron Rodgers like that. Was it bigger right. So where do you think baseball can do to kind kind of rectify. What spin a little bit of a slip last ten year round so why it's interesting when I was at spring training what I noticed is how old and most of the people there I guess one because Florida Tired People Florida but I I assume that the baseball audience the generations getting getting older. How does baseball market to millennials when the game is long slow? I don't have an answer for that. Yeah off and baseball unlike other sports in my mind is generational in terms of team you root for so if your parents or your father is not a baseball fan. You're not growing up in a house over you watching baseball baseball. I also think it's the issue that I can't really wrap my head around is it's so city specific you root for your team in baseball and that's it whereas on NFL Sunday you watch every game. It doesn't really interesting thought about it. You know like I don't care about what's happening in the Al West or the you know what I mean are the a central in the AL or something like that so it's hard to to care about other teams whereas basketball and football especially you can kind of watch any game and you can't really watch if you're not a fan of the Yankees. You can't really watch a Yankees. Orioles came in April so this is interesting so when we all grew up as suppose number one today's he's number three. Maybe four I think is a classic case of good as enemy of great. I mean good is the enemy of great and the reason why when I entered the major leagues I was eighteen years old right here in this city and Seattle now the industry nine hundred ninety four was a billion dollar industry. Today is ten billion baseball. Yes when it was major. League baseball was at a billion in dollars. The players took home sixty percent of the pie. Today is at ten billion owner are taking percent sixty percent of the pie a massive shift so because it's a ten billion dollar industry in many ways owners don't WanNa mess with the good right in many ways the best thing that can happen to baseball is to fall on their face a little bit and half to play aggressive to catch up like the NBA and like the NFL has done a fantastic job growing the game globally but also connected to the next generation because they can take more chances baseball is married to his history but you WanNa make that asset your biggest liability so also oh. I think little league is way down. in terms of how many kids are playing baseball now yeah. Can you tell you a hall of Fame Story About Baseball so my dear friend Tony. The getting inducted to the hall of fame. I'd never been a cooperstown. I went to Cooperstown with my son Jordan and at a in the the breakfast in the morning every every hall of fame player Iconic Player was walking through so Ernie banks before he passed away Hank Aaron Bob Gibson. I just I couldn't believe it. I was just in our this thinking myself. I've only my father was alive to see this but about ten minutes in a God walked in and I'm looking at him and I just I can't believe it's him and it was one of the ones like you just mentioned off. Stay stay before we got on about Michael Jordan when he when this guy walked in. I couldn't talk I was like starting to sweat and it was Sandy Koufax. Oh Wow and Colfax walked and I swear the whole room turned around everyone and he was so regal and so handsome and so a wrecked shape great shape and and I just couldn't I couldn't get off my chair and my son Jordan kept on saying you gotta go introduce yourself. I couldn't do it now. Of course I missed it for listener though because yeah if you say a little I don't really WanNa talk to you then. You lose that for our listeners. you know one of the things that people don't know about Colfax besides being greatest pitchers of all time he was even bigger icon in the Jewish community yes and wouldn't pitch and he would've pinched Shalom right. I mean it it was down for Chabad but I spent some time with him in the world series and I gotTa tell you he is probably the best left handed pitcher of all time and even a better person with unbelievable character there and like you said our incredible regal carries him. He's a good looking guy. This looks like the white hair ear and the Guy all right look. I'm feel find saying remember when he came out. When the dodgers in the world series last the world series a million times never won it but he comes out and it's like well kind of breathtaking Sandy Koufax. There is all right so those are baseball like little mini entrepreneur to be a great leader so let's let's start with the story of starbucks. Maybe walk us through you graduate. Ah College Xerox Yeah and by complete almost accident you walk into a starbucks store right. You tell us that story. I was working for a company that had sold a product to starbucks so I came to Seattle for the first time in eighty-one and I walked into the first store at the pike place market and was was swept away with just the essence of the experience and basically for a year I tried to convince the two founders to hire me and the and I was successful came out in one thousand nine hundred to my wife. Sherry and I and our dog Durham golden retriever drove three thousand miles kane the Seattle. We had six stores. When I arrived a year later I went to Italy for the first time to a trade show for starbucks and while I was there ran into hundreds of Italian espresso bars prior to that starbucks coffee company did not sell any beverage average just coffee for the home so when I saw the romance to theater at a sense of community I raced home to the founders and said I I think I've seen the future of the business we have to transform starbucks and bring out Espresso. They didn't think it was great idea so they didn't want to do it so to make a long story short. I left starbucks and started my own coffee company and open three coffee bars with Christine Day. Wow too in Seattle one in Vancouver. What what was it called illegitimately came after the Italian newspaper I don't know how long we have but I gotTA keep place. Okay okay so I don't have a salary. We're just really struggling and starbucks itself gets into financial trouble. After it acquires a company in California called Pete's coffee the company so pizza in starbucks one company. The founder of starbucks comes to me and says we're going to sell starbucks. We can't keep both companies. He's we think you're the right. GotTa buy okay. Two quick stories. The first one is as I said I had no salary and she was pregnant with our first. The child Jordan and Sheri's parents come and visit US insurance father says I like you. WanNa take a walk with you. Oh that's always is a problem yeah yeah okay so we go for a walk and he says listen my my daughter's eight months pregnant. She's she's still working You've you've got a dream but it's a hobby. You gotta get a job. Why I start crying. Thank crying embarrassed. I said well I I understand. Let me talk sharing so that night later that night there they go to bed. I share the story. She's outraged that her father would have said that to me. So at that moment of Sherry would have said I think he's right. there'd be no. I wouldn't be here. You'd be talking to somebody right. She says we're GONNA see the stroke and she supported me. We raised the money however in raising money to acquire starbucks something really dramatic happened and that is he gave me sixty days to acquire the company. This is the pizza owner yeah the original start regional starbucks yeah right and not so sixty days exclusive and he came to me and it was three point point eight million dollars to buy six stores in eighty-seven now. I didn't have three point eight million. I had to go out and raise. The money counts to me in thirty days and he says how you doing so so I got half of it raised. I'm sure I'll find the other half but I did not know if I could and he says to me. One of your investors from Ilter Nali has come to me. Four million dollar offer all cash no due diligence. We're GONNA have to take and I said no way. You can't do that right so here's the punchline I tell a friend of mine the story my whole life is about to end this is going to be a crushing blow and he says estimate you gotta go see the senior partner of our law firm tomorrow morning. I said Okay I will who is it and he says a name. I never heard Bill Gates senior. Oh my gosh senior right not gates right so eight o'clock in the morning. Go See Bill Gates senior. I tell them the whole story and he says digitally you left anything out. I said no everything you told me true. I said yes and he says come back in two hours literally okay so I I leave. I come back in two hours and Bill Gates senior says Howard come on. Let's go for a walk I said. Where are we going. He said we're GONNA. Go see the man. The man is trying to steal the company. Oh Wow so. I don't know if you call them. I don't know any is it okay so we my heart is palpable tasting. I don't know what's what's GonNa Happen. We walk in and he storms into the guy's office and he and sit Bill Gates Seniors six foot seven big man and at the time was the lawyer in town. This other guy was to tighten businessperson in Seattle at that time and eighty seven and he leans over his desk and he says you should be ashamed of yourself. I saw trying to steal. This kid's dream so this is what's going to happen. WE'RE GONNA Walk Outta here. Howard's going to buy the company and you're going to stand down and we walkout and I say I said Mr Gates what what just happened right and he said you're going to buy the company and I'm going to help you with my son. My son and I can help you now. Mike now listen to this day. Bill Gates senior never told a soul of the humble act of helping me never charged me nothing so year and a half ago at the Microsoft CEO Summit. I'm speaking and sought at the. NFL The CEO Microsoft who's on the starbucks sports is you've got to tell that story because bills in the front row I tell the story. I assume they'll knows if I get off stage and he says who was that who was the guy and I said you don't know he said my dad never told me the story story so the humility of brigade senior and having my back like that helping this kit so Sherry Schultz at night says we're in this we're sticking and Bill Gates senior. the reason at starbucks was able to build this company. That's fantastic. I mean that that believable unbelievable what I love about those stories I think a lot of people who glorify entrepreneurial like behavior haven capitalism which you built your company on think that it just someone who did it all now sells and they were better than everyone else but you're you what you just said it. Is it takes you know some help. It takes some lock. It takes like people too. I'm not the smartest room on the way but it's a team sport right it. So now we have a lot of young listeners that are in college going to school entrepreneurs and they all look up to you walk us through the exercise sure cise so now. How old are you at a time when I was in my mid thirties okay so your mid thirties your net worth is not very high zero. You've raised now to say three point eight million dollars's six doors at this point how much equity percentage is Howard Schultz owning a starbucks and then how do you go out to then grow from there yeah so at that time I probably owned half the company but all along I wanted to build at the time a national brand and I thought we if we had one hundred stores. I thought that would be the the goal aspirational but all along. I realized that what we were going to build in our stores was going to be an experiential brand and that what I mean by that is that the marketing of a consumer product was not going to be how we're going to build starbucks. It was going to be by the experience in our stores and the people who wear the Green Apron. We're going to be the equity of the brand so right from the beginning. I realized we realized that the culture the values to guiding principles of the company. We're going to define how we were. We're GONNA build starbucks and put people first and that goes back to what I said earlier about health insurance making everyone owner and free college tuition but basically basically when we started we said we have to exceed the expectations as managers and leaders of every single person who works for the company so that person can exceed the expectation of every customer. That's one thing second thing is I realized early on we we started raising money money from venture capital view and they had an I should say for every entrepreneur who is trying to raise money that raising money from ABC is as important as hiring a person gets. The money in a sense is fungible. If you have a good idea you're gonNA find people interested but make sure you find people who share your values and understand understand specifically what this business core purpose and reason for being is and want to come back to that so every business every enterprise every organization innovation must have core purpose and reason for being in everyone in the company must understand what that is to the point where if you have one hundred people you should be able to ask them what is our core purpose and reason for being and more or less should be able to tell you because that is what the business is going to stand for then the Lens in which you're GonNa make every decision especially the early ones that are going to define an imprint the brand behavior culture has to be through that Lens of what your core purposes and what your purpose is can't be only to make money. It's shallow goal. You will not attract rate people. You won't retain them because people want to work with something. A company an enterprise an endeavor that is has to be greater than the equity you've just profit and so everything we've tried to do is build a performance driven company through the Lens of humanity and along the way as we started becoming a little bit more successful. We began to realize that this is not trite. This is real that not every business decision should be an economic one that you've got to make long-term investments in things that really matter and what really matters this is not always the short term decision of what is the bottom line a and and there's there's so much pressure on the entrepreneur make money especially if you're backed and that's why it's so vitally important to get the VC in early to understand what the long-term vision is so that you're not arguing in a boardroom about all this right so speaking about that just just real quick so for the last almost forty years. We've had a leadership meeting every Monday and a board meeting every quarter now. I'm not in the company more. I've I've left the year right but for thirty six years I've had two chairs that were empty in that room to cherish and so does a room of ten hand fifteen twenty people and two empty chairs as a metaphor and a metaphor was this one here is occupied by starbucks customer and one is by a starbucks employees who we call partner because everyone is an owner and everyone understood those two chairs. We have to answer the question in the affirmative. Does this decision strategy tactic. Whatever we're GONNA DO GONNA make the customer and our people proud and if the answer is yes. Let's do it the answer there's no. Let's not the answer is grey. Let's keep debating it but there was always an opportunity to kind of refer back to ensure the fact that we were making decisions. I gotTa make our people. Can you think of like a decision you. Maybe didn't do because of that exact thing. You're saying like the decision that you you said you know what our employees or proud so early on and in the formative years of starbucks the trend in coffee was was artificially flavored coffee. It was vanilla cream and stuff. That was not the purity of what we did. we had research that suggests we would have a thirty percent incremental boost and revenue if we added that but that would have destroyed and diluted the integrity of everything we've done we wouldn't do if we roasted coffee lighter. We'd have a five percent increase in profit. We wouldn't do that so it was always about the quality and the integrity of what we stood what was the decision behind. I was reading up on the plane and what was the decision behind not doing any franchises the answer to the question of not franchising an easy one and that is going back to believing that the secret sauce of starbucks we have no proprietary technology is the culture and values of the company. I did not believe leave you. Could we could brill the kind of culture that we were spying to build a system that was franchise with independent owners. It would have been financially really been beneficial because it would require capital right and franchising great for lots of companies but not consistent with what we wanted to do interesting so all about the culture yeah give us an example. Give a little sneak peek at one of these Monday morning meetings of a how you start pretend like we have your your senior. Management Team name is here. You're talking about leadership and all week and you've been brewing on something. That's maybe just pissing you off. The you know is not right as leader. Tell us how you start and kind of give us a little button on employee's Yeah. We're bagels okay so first off every starbucks meeting every meeting starts off with coffee tasting every meeting and not just a coffee tasting but a French press of a coffee and someone in that room room has been assigned that day to take us through the coffee tasting the features and benefits of that coffee and you and the responsibility ability of describing with great acuity the balanced the acidity and flavor that coffee so we start out with the core purpose in reason for being where coffee company also sneaky gets everyone really alert. That's true smart by you and how many people are in the room could be ten or fifteen okay yeah eh we also would invite people who are not in the leadership team meeting to sit in and to learn and to witness what we're talking about and everything it was transparent. we start off with reviewing the sales of the past week now by the way when you're in the retail business you're living at number living two week yeah. You're living. You Know Day to day so at five. Am every single morning for the past thirty six years. I would get up at five. Am with a basically a printout of every stores sales revenue in the world versus our plan and how many stores at the time at the height where we have thirty thousand today but it didn't matter whether we had eleven thirty thousand right and so we had we had a blueprint of everything so we managed the company day to day and so there should never be a surprise as to how we're doing but in the Monday morning and we would review the sales of the week the past week versus plan how we doing for the month and as a public company were always concerned with we we got a report on a quarterly basis right we had an expression and starbucks have constantly trying to under promise and over deliver and starbucks stock prices done pretty well over over the years and I think one of the reasons is a real focus and discipline on making sure that we delivered to the sherline yeah but after after we review the numbers then we're talking about the next quarter we might be talking about innovation there could be a core subject that is coming up as a result of a problem we have and and like a fine tuned car. There's always something that's not exactly perfect that we're dealing with and it's also I think lessons to be learned. one of the things that happens along the way as you start thinking that you're better than you are. I'll give you an example so no innovation starbucks very innovative company if you think back on the things that we've done for example the mobile APP right now so that's the most ubiquitous mobile APP in America today and we were at the forefront of that very early on so innovation would be discussed in that meeting and the reason I would discuss it is people would get very excited about a line extension being so so successful new flavor new size great great but that is not innovation that is just the price of admission innovation is being disrupted and when you are the leader in your category like we were are you have to cannibalize yourself and so the entrepreneurial opportunity for all of us is you've got to constantly constantly kind of see around the curiosity to see around corners to anticipate things that no one else has sing and then have the courage to make a big bet so you have not seen the starbucks roaster. I know you're GONNA be in Seattle for how long leave tomorrow night after the game say you have have to do you have a treat for yourself. Is there one in downtown yeah okay. I can have my girls here so team must go to the rotary so we've we now have a roaster in Seattle Milan Alon Shanghai Tokyo New York City and we were getting ready to open up in Chicago at the crane barrel building North Michigan Yup so the row story three is a project that we dreamed about nine years ago. I know what it is yeah okay and and what was that you'll be shocked at what the the motivation and the the inspiration for this so literally it's the Willy Wonka chocolate factory and gene wilder so one one day I invite a group of starbucks people to my house so I'll watch a movie with you. What do you mean watch movie. I said we're GONNA put on the movie. We're not going to say a word and them to show you something so I bring the most creative people in the company to my house. I put on Willy Wonka. They think absolutely Johnny Depp One. No okay no no gene wilder. WanNa make sure we watch watch the movie and prior to that. I've been dreaming about this for nine years. He's ever ever lasting gop stopper and I just did not have it wasn't the right time and and for nine years I've been sketching and dreaming about this on the movie ends and I say we are going to build the Willy Wonka of coffee and where how what's it going to be. I said we are going to bring people into a space and they are gonna be swept away with just the kind of emotion and they're not going to believe what is going on and I've got the site and we're going to do it and so now this kind of thing took not not only imagination but the entrepreneurial ship of here's a company at this point. We're really successful but you've got to keep reinventing. This is the point you you can't sit like sports team. How many teams repeat right not many not many of them. I'm not you know the Red Sox can repeat this year. chances are. Uber sets in. You're not as hungry as you were. Jealousy envy whatever salaries so success has to be you have to recognize that success is not an entitlement it has to be earned every single day not only as an entrepreneur even been as successful as a business constantly reinventing surprising the lighting the customer and making people proud so we opened this thing up three and a half years go in Seattle now a typical Seattle. A typical starbucks stores like fifteen hundred square feet. This is almost thirty thousand square feet so it doesn't pencil out on paper because no one can figure out how we're going to. How can we afford this. No one's ever sold us much coffee. It doesn't make any sense I knew in my heart that this thing was going to be so successful. I just in my bones. Why why did you think that just instinctively. I just felt this was this was going to reinvent the company so before you leave this. Is your girls here Yeah Natasha now. They're right there and they love starbucks. GotTa go. GotTa go story okay so we'll we'll. Have someone take you yeah love that you'll you'll have a hot chocolate or a Frappuccino. That will knock you out there. We go there. We go okay anyway. Yeah so that love this is not an entitlement has to be earned every day and the entrepreneurial spirit of a company can't be only in the early stages right even when you're mature right and like a winning team. You can't rest Howard. I I would tell my teammates in New York. We will have a great game with score. Twelve runs seven home runs. I mean the team is cocky as a boys. You're only as good as what you do the day after greatness. That's true measurement great story. That's absolutely true we we're. We have a few more minutes but I wanted to touch on the sonics. Relocate sure regrets your side of the story. I know you talked about it in your book. Yes you know. Obviously the average fan is probably still mad at you. Yes so walk us through. Maybe mistakes or what you would happen in your mind well first off the thought of owning any professional sports team for me coming from where I came from was such a dream opportunity. the interesting thing is. I once had an opportunity to invest in mariners. There's but I wanNA be a minority in a small minority owner. Assuming the sonics came up it was a great opportunity now I didn't have enough money at the time to buy the team myself and there was a competing group and so we merged our efforts. We didn't really know each other and a lot of people people came together so we have like fifty investors two separate groups. I was the majority owner of the two groups but I did not have fifty one percent right right so so that made it somewhat difficult. we had the worst lease in professional sports. We could have sold out every game. and we and we lost money every single year. we started getting capital calls. Some of the owners. Were complaining about that because I I said. I don't think we'll have any capital. Calls will be fine but we did. I went to the city I went to the city council and went to the state legislator and and unfortunately the mariners here's in the seahawks had just gotten new baseball and Football Stadium City did not have the wherewithal nor the political desire to help us with the team so I decided in the best interest of me and my investors why don't we sell it to the other group uh-huh and the other group did not want to buy it so that was the first problem so then I went out to everyone in Seattle that I thought had the means to buy the team and and no one showed up then we had a high profile investor from Silicon Valley come and pay us one pass a big price but told us right out of the gate a move into team. San Jose and I said I can't do that so we turned him down. David Stern was commissioned Michigan time and he said I think I have a perspective owner who's willing to negotiate the city of Seattle but if he can't get a deal he might move the team but I can't imagine imagine if the city of Seattle knows that someone from out of town is going to buy the team they're going to negotiate with them right that was going in assumption yeah and and so I made the decision with the other owners but I let it I'm culpable. I'm responsible to sell it to this Oklahoma group who tried valiantly valiantly to negotiate the city and basically the mayor the city council told the pound sand and a year later with Kevin Durant left Seattle now do I regret regret it. I do when I see kids with supersonic uniforms on and jerseys yeah. I know that I have broken hearts and if I had to do it over again I would not have done it. It was a mistake and I can't turn the clock talkback. Well bring him back. I've talked to Adam silver about this a lot and yeah. I think now that Seattle is getting a hockey team yeah. There's a chance not for me would you would you help I told them so I would do anything right. and here's a lot of people in Seattle trying to get an MBA team yeah Seattle should have an NBA team. They will get one yeah. So how would you go back. I'M GONNA I'm obsessed with starbucks in the store and you only have a few minutes left but you have this conversation with your father-in-law other law. It didn't go well yeah. Sherry gives you a boost of confidence so you go for it. Then you run into an angel you know Mr Gates Bill Gates his father out of rent. People never told anyone one and then you take this company. I mean like the Yankees on a skyrocket. I mean it goes and it goes and then you decide like Michael Jordan. I'M GONNA stand that out a little bit and the company starts overbuilding and gets you know in their old loses his ways that you've created for many years two thousand and eight you come back. You make a really big decision to take ten thousand store managers and you fly everybody to New Orleans. Everyone said what the hell is. How we're doing right you go out and have an incredible meeting. I still remember the speech heard that speech in real time when it was when I hit the market and tell us why you think that's been one of the best investments of your career right so thank you for all that research and understanding the first thing is starbucks got into trouble because of a disease inside the company and the disease was Hubris. We had been honest magical carpet ride that everything we touched turned to gold and people allowed success in the growth of the company to cover it mistakes. I was chairman of the company not the CEO in the sense. I was still coupable and these were not bad the people but they fell into bad habits undisciplined habits of chasing growth and the stock price so I came back and just like you said and I did two things wchs one is I stood up in front of the entire company first day back and apologize to them and their families that we had let them down and all I asked of them was to once again believe in the core values of the company and to take everything personally but we had to rebuild trust in the company so a month later we decided we're gonNA close every single store because what we discovered while when I came back is at one of the decision someone made it was to change the chemistry of the coffee for more to make more money wow and I noticed that the quality of the coffee and how the coffee was being made made did not taste the same and I was one of the reasons why we had customer attrition so I closed every single store at an unbelievable price expense offense to retrain people and people said what are you retraining people on and I said we're we're retraining people on how to make coffee. People couldn't believe wow now and the honesty and transparency of that worked in our favor both with our people and with the market right then about a month or two later I said I I need an opportunity to be in front of ten thousand store managers and this was during the cataclysmic financial crisis with no company was traveling. It was just awful so we had three cities. Come in as a bake off municipalities trying to get us to come to their city and when the New Orleans people came in they were crying in the meeting about the causing the effect of Katrina and they said it would mean so much to the city. If you brought this meeting we need the revenue yeah well so we went to New Orleans so the first thing we did to restore faith in the value of the company is we committed that first day day fifty thousand hours of community service in the Ninth Ward in New Orleans that were so affected so all of us are working side-by-side everyone in the company and before we had minute one of the meeting which costs thirty million dollars money we didn't have and we were being questioned by the board and shareholders could could you spend thirty million dollars on a meeting people thought it was some kind of convention wasn't a convention. It was a restoration. It was a transformation and so we had the meeting we had workshops on the third day. I had to give a thirty million dollar speech. in the basketball arena wow now here's a lesson about the leadership about an hour before. I'm ready to go on stage a couple of colleagues of mine who I've worked with for twenty years. This is a team. That's been together all these years because I brought everyone back with me when I came back and people who had left come back. We're GONNA. We're GONNA do it again. Everybody silence okay so we're we're back together and they said what are you gonNA. What are you GonNa talk about so I showed him a little outline of my talk and they said Howard you you. You can't say these things. You can't possibly share this information. Why so people were so afraid because we know one in the in the company really knew how bad things were we had eight months left starbucks coffee company in Norway of Solvency eight months allow. If things continue the way they were. We were going to run out in eight months. Wow and if you tell these people if you tell that you're going to scare the hell a lot of them. They won't be able to handle the information so here's the question as a leader if you want followership if you want people to be to join join you in this 'cause how could they possibly join you in this. 'cause it's going to take so much sacrifice and asking them to live it if you don't share everything with them about what is going on in the company. You can't hold back. You must trust them with the same information so instinctively. I just felt absolutely okay. I'm GonNa give them everything I know and then I'm going to ask something of them and that is join me in this cause for you and your family yeah and everyone you represent to show the world that starbucks is would says it is that we can restore the glorious company by going back to what we know exceeding the expectations of every customer this all we have to do and if we do that everything will be fine well that eight months never happened and it wasn't because of that speech but if I did not tell the truth if I wasn't transparent. I didn't ask something of them. starbucks would not have transformed itself yeah and so leadership also is about having the confidence in your people to understand and being with with you. The other thing is I was very vulnerable in front of ten thousand people and I think leaders especially men have a hard time demonstrating inning vulnerability and I think it's a strength of character. Not a weakness and people come to come to you when you're vulnerable yeah I. I have two more but I know I'm reading right now. Yeah I agree. I have one. I have a bunch. I'm obsessed with it and so there and I'm talking for like the great young entrepreneurs when we do this podcast. That's my inspiration and they don't get to hear someone like you very often. You build an empire conglomerate and you build it through great people. How important a is people in an organization one and two if Howard Howard Schultz was twenty two at a B. School or just out of graduate you graduated from school and you're broke like a lot of our listeners. We all were broke right. What what advice would you give yourself or twenty two twenty three year old on how to impress someone a coward. If I want to get a job in your offices Seattle so so first off Alex I do not have a business degree. neither do I. I visited me three yeah so nice. Everything I've learned in a sense I learned learned growing up and and learn from others so what I've told my own kids. is first off. You have to find something that you really love and you can't fake and I got to be really curious about the world and put yourself selves in situations where you're uncomfortable. You're meeting. People were not part of your sphere of influence and be curious as possible about the world in terms so in coming into starbucks about interviewing for jobs when pressing me I'm not concerned about your resume. Away went to college. I want to know about your life. I want to know about your personal story. you know one of the questions. I I ask everyone. I've ever interviewed is tell me the book you're reading and I'm I'm not so sure they just want to know. I want to know more about you. I'm when I'm when I'm always looking for is people who are hungry people people who are willing to sacrifice for the company and every one of us is going to make a hiring mistake mistake and the hardest thing for an entrepreneur anyone one in business is to realize that you made the higher mistake because you convince yourself that you can change that person and more often than not you can't so one. One of the lessons of entrepreneurship in all aspects of business is if you're GONNA fail fail fast yeah and admit it and move on yeah and try not to make that that mistake again but but there isn't a business that I know of any business that is not skewed towards the values and behavior of people and the people must be aligned must be facing the same direction and everything about behavior matters and everyone everyone's is is on the leader and so live your life like the cameras on yeah. Did you have another question for you. Go last question Okay Alaska and maybe a short unbelievable. Oh you kidding me for your team. They're fantastic. We we love. We love our shows. We Love starbucks and homecoming for me so I'm happy to be here in a great mood Howard when you think about the early mid eighties thought about this dream that you had and by the way you didn't tell us that you had to convince Sherry to you. GotTa come with me honey to Seattle because there's something she's like. I'm not going to anyway. That's another conversation but when you thought about your performance you get your. Mba guys to right. Here's the three five seven-year performa you left something out and it was going into communities. African American Communities Hispanic communities like my community and for whatever reason to three or five dollar starbucks. Maybe wasn't in the plans a guy a six foot nine point guard comes into your office right. Magic Johnson says I can be your partner. You've never franchise at the point right. What about Magic's pitch right convinced you obviously it was a very successful hundred and twenty five stores then you bought back. My question is tell tell me about Magic's pitching what you thought. When you walk into your store sure so I had a mutual friend who said one day that that Magic Johnson wants to come to Seattle meet you so you mentioned the Michael. Jordan store said I'm absolutely worse you know so so Irvin Magic Johnson walks in and you know his personality he is a few yeah and and he had a genuine genuine concern for bringing quality premium products into underserved communities and he said I'm coming here to invite you to something I want to invite you to a movie theater owned in La and I said so we later we met magic. We had dinner We knew what he what he wanted to do. What the pitch was and he said I want to show you come to the movie theater so he was involved at the time. I don't remember the company Sony Anne Theater Okay so guber yeah so he took me there. and what I saw was the without question the fact that he and his understanding the African American community specifically skewed towards doing something for for them that they would not have had access to so for me it was it wasn't so much magic. Although it was it was an opportunity opportunity to bring starbucks to underserved communities in a way that at the time we didn't quite understand. We didn't have the the the knowledge of how to do UH. I think we have the license to do. We didn't so we needed. I think an ambassador and and magic turned out to be exactly what he said he would be. He showed up and he was real. we had a great partnership and then as we got bigger and more scale got into other businesses. It was just an opportunity. I think think to realize we did great things together. We're still friends today but magic opened up the door to some underserved communities for us and it was the only time we did anything like that and and Jordan's wedding and so I'm still friends with urban still we're both rooting for Michigan State yeah. I think we both probably be at that game on Sunday. If they play Duke I know Howard representing over sixty million Hispanics and having starbucks all over our community entities yeah. We love it and we thank you for. Can I come when we're starting so I was in Miami two weeks ago. Okay and you know I have a an endeavor. We're going on right now about thinking of running for president. I think I heard something about that Alice. Did you know that I did and then by the way the peoples of means thing. You got roasted for that you know. I think it'd be fantastic. Thank you so while I was in Miami. I gave a speech at Miami. Dade it college okay yeah and then after that I was invited to Vicki's bakery in the Cuban section of Miami okay and I had an extraordinary opportunity to talk to about one hundred people in front of this very famous Cuban bakery and all I heard all all afternoon was these greats American stories of Cuban Americans who had come from Cuba and realized great success and so when I hear the President President talking about the downside of Immigration what I experienced that day gave gave me great hope and understanding about the power of immigration and these wonderful cuban-americans. I love that that's been tasked love that yeah yeah all right you ready for a little rapid fire. New Yorker Matt Matt Your Mind. You're fine. I'll start easy what what's up with the sizes. I don't WanNa say I never say the names. Let's head to have its own land. You should actually run for president be like hey listen. If I become President I will change it back to small medium and large. I've vote for you. I have no involvement with starbucks but okay I mean we created a language in America but it's I mean I always say small medium. WanNa know what you mean right okay so they get your name right most. That's what name do you give. I always get my real name. Yeah yeah exactly I worry last-named cats. I'm a bigger guy okay and you're about to have a son. I understand yes so will he be little cat. Yes he will until big and then he will. I don't know what he'll be. Maybe Tiger Tiger okay yeah. What about Oh. I actually thought of this while you're talking about the roasters you talk about innovation with the row stories. What have we had a person at the front door. Who just made fun of you when you walked in the door and roasted you? You said you were in innovation a you. In the way you walk in. It's just he just urine ugly. You know and just yells at you and then boom. You're in the rosary. I I think we will pass on that. Okay all right. That's fine Alex Miss sometimes it tops don't fit and I still that's a problem. Okay said saw a problem. We've had that problem. I think I think it's been fixed but I apologize scheduled on your pants yeah every now and then yeah yeah next time it happens chimney cleaning bill okay there we go I actually have something door. Forego the the cleaning cleaning bill the ice ice coffee. It's not uniform so sometimes they'll be like a little luke warm and then sometimes it'd be too much ice. I need a uniform. I know how much I getting. How much ice would you like. I'd like a good amount of ice where it doesn't like sometimes it's at the end. You're drinking like this weird weird gross lukewarm. There's no one is left so we're. GonNa have to work in the okay the straws. Are you GonNa do pay us or you know we're. We're and actually doing that now. I believe what about Metal Strauss people don't like metal stores because they could hurt kids a metals if the future father. I'm I agree with you. There okay I don't even know how that works that this. The big straws are sometimes a little too big. They're like actually all the time because they're the same size they're like. Maybe half an inch too big so we're going to take that back Yep. Okay you got that one. Just keep that What about getting my dad brain dump literature okay. This one kind of doesn't make sense but it makes a lot of sense. Have you ever thought about serving McDonald's French fries starbucks. Take the best thing for me. Donald let me think about that starbucks. I know now okay. That's a good idea though that's a really good idea bulls. It's bull culture blows eating things get ahead of that and Macho matches big. Get ahead of that yeah. That's a big idea. That's a big one more Norah Jones in every starbucks big nor Jones it just set the mood feels like and then my last one what about J. Lo. What do you think about that. That'd be great to maybe maybe nor Jones Morning Jaylo afternoon. When you said chocolate chocolate or something the Coffee Space Jennifer would love for Shaw. She loves starbucks but she loves anything with chocolate flavor so we may bring one home girl. Yes yes all right last last one. I have a really good friend whose father collected a bunch of reward points and then. They said they expired so can I get them back for him. How many do you have like a million. I think he was like one of these coupon guy you know he like really making sure that he had all the reward points. I am not in the company. Okay but sorry. Maybe we can work something out where we give me his name. I'll send him yeah. We'll get the reward points but let let me save cats here but also questioned Howard our first of all you know just first of all in closing. I want to say thank you very much. Obviously the Scholtz family foundation is an incredible work and has been a force for moving homeless families ace into stable housing. Here's a guy that came from New York City the projects I didn't get an MBA huge Yankee fans with his father and has built a conglomerate Alama rate with thirty thousand stores around the world with great leadership great purpose and great core value Howard Scholtz. You're a great role model to my two daughters daughters and to me and he may also WANNA quickly mention we have a podcast at Barstool that three veterans three the three people who were in Iraq Afghanistan and they partnered with starbucks and you guys do great work for veterans and if you want to explain that real quick the veterans stuff asserts an unbelievable we've hired over twenty thousand veterans and their spouses directs the Family Foundation is now opened eighteen transitional training meaning centers on basis and you know one of my main concerns that I've is that the VA has a lot of good people but unfortunately the lot of post nine eleven veterans that don't feel like they're being treated with respect. They deserve a your viewers will be shocked to hear this at the. Va has a national budget of two hundred the billion dollars and it's vitally important that we do everything we can to to fix that yeah yeah. I mean like I said the podcast. We have with three veterans. Eh they've done a lot of stuff with you guys. It's been fantastic talking to different versions working really glad you brought that up. Yeah that's the kind of stuff and you know. There's been a great podcast but that kind of stuff like you said just from the beginning making it a mission and making it more than just money and just fixed the straws in my friend's. Dad's uh-huh. I have a feeling this'll be audiences favorite podcasts yeah. I thank you very much you all right. Thanks for being so prepared. Read your wicked pedia back and forth.

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Book Talk guest Mark Ribowsky author "Howard Cosell: The Man, The Myth and the Transformation of American Sports"

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Book Talk guest Mark Ribowsky author "Howard Cosell: The Man, The Myth and the Transformation of American Sports"

"We WanNA bring our first guest on tonight brand new book. He has out all about really talking about football one of the voices of broadcasting. Of course, it broadcast Monday night football for many years talking about Howard Cosell the name of the book is called the man, the mouth and the transformation of American sports joined by the author of it. Mark Rabovsky today by telephone who I guess lives up in Long Island, they recognize the area code. Mark. How do I do for now for this minute I do you talking to a couple of long islanders which I grew up along Don I think you you grew up there as well. Live there part of the time, right? Well, why family did he lives in bayside but I resided in New Jersey. Most of my life and right now talking to you is the Jersey Shore Morgan we've got a lot of fog down here tonight I saw the empire state building a little bit earlier on the six thirty news and nothing but the very top of the State shall we got a pretty low ground level that I. Sounds Pretty. Eerie. Back because was like Londoners from. Long Island tonight or are you on the road? No I'm long. It's on the Nassau Suffolk border right now I don't see the empire state from year. We got plenty of five year day that comes right off the right on the coast of Jersey shore here we've kept playing fog. Mark Howard cosell football yeah. When have you talk about first of all congratulations now the book getting a Lotta Great Press Ahead Mad, Dog Russo talking about on his show and several other shows as well. So first congratulations on that. Thanks for letting me know. I'm usually the last to know. What got you started mark. This is something that you decided upon or you sort of had a lifelong broadcasting. Interests that you went to Howard cosell. No in fact, I you know. Really. Think much coach. So when I was when he was sort of the one of the soundtracks of my my life growing up, he was just a guy who was there you know. But then again, you learn to appreciate things later on in life what do you know it's almost like a cliche humid- when it's gone. Most wanted gone and we don't have very many. Kosova. Don't have any console weapons forecasting I sure wish we had some because as Abrasive as obnoxious as the man was how easy it? What they hate the guy he was the guy who galvanize every around him people who hated them with the first ones to turn turn on the TV to watch him. It was a different sports era was much simpler. In now, the twenty four hour news cycles and ESPN, and screaming sports heads all throughout the day was very simple. It was a smaller universe three networks, and in that more Howard was really the Guy Dot for about maybe fifteen years dominated that aspects of the media and that's really One of the reasons I wrote the book because I wanted to reintroduce people to a guy who was such a magazine such such a titanic figure in his day. while. I wish I'd had the opportunity to read the book before I chat with you because I don't want to bring things up about a sequence, but in my view and and I. Pretty much followed Howard all the way through when he started doing the early interviews at Evanston and thank you stadium an all around New York. But I think the thing that really gave him the idea. To become bigger than sport itself was Casey. Stengel when he continually wanted to have Casey stangl fire talked about sleeping in the dugout was doing what the mets doing and so forth. So on and he realized at that point in my view is the only by our position that he could galvanize hatred by being against the thankful. Which? The the end no to that story that he did that. At the time when he was actually doing the mets pre game show, you know you're. Amazing. there. When everybody else is trying to build up this team of misfits and clowns sort of an attraction he was carrying them down and he was actually working not for them. But he was you know he was he was a guy who was who was tune into when you would turn out a met game. I. Don't think the Club we've got thrilled by. Sponsors. But that that was cosell he'd had to have an opinion regardless he was always very. For Him. It didn't matter of who sponsors want what they wanted. The owners wanted what they wanted. ABC was the NCAA's network. Football Games of the NCAA started with it with ABC in the sixty yet Howard were always ranted and raved that the being a Morass Cesspool corruption and this is ABC was was the NCAA network it what kind of that's kind of bravery still see nowadays, what everybody you know has you know espn we here we're not gonNA are not allowed to talk about certain football players like Ben Rothlisberger when he gets in trouble if they don't want to endanger the relationship that network has with some of these athletes. Imagine. That and he's cosell not binding. Hooves and. That was the kind of. Independence and freedom that he earned for the years. Kind of an interesting guy. I mean aside from sports mark when he was a went to lost, you'll became an actual lawyer I think he'd be practiced Aena for for quite a while on and some local station invited him on just to kind of. Give some legal adviser GonNa Radio, or something like that. Wasn't it? Yeah Yeah. He was. He was an an ad hoc kind of floor know at his former home advisor. Let's say to some of the New York giants Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Yankees in the sixties, and this was what this is part of his plan to. Move. Up into into that business that was always such an impossible dream for him being sports camps. So he was a lawyer use a very fine warrior. was one of the youngest partners in history in New York he was at a firm called Merrill puffer Casella more, Manhattan Labor lawyer making good money for this for a getty always to move further into this. This impossible dream had coming in sportscaster, which I never understood why doing all the research and everything and it was never clear why he chose that profession to to to launches his onslaught into the world but I guess it was because he wanted to its many people as possible to ear him. He was always that way is very arrogant, very obnoxious, very imperial and I guess. Broadcasting was away of making a wish carry is far as good and he did start very small the at the very bottom of the ladder doing a show. Hall League Clubhouse, but you kids asking questions but even then he got attention for because he wrote all the kids. And the questions were harder than any of the sports writers of that year would ask. You got attention for that and he just moved his way up very gradually. They wouldn't allow it to be on TV at all is relegated to the radio for about ten years. Before Before the relationship with cashes clay slash Mohammed Ali was. Really broken out to the public on off broad basis. Well, I remember in the early days. He he went around with just a little tape recorder. He delivered yet said and things of that nature. He didn't really have show or have. You know he would he would interview these players that he? Kept people to play the interviews you know over the whatever stations that he would work with it. We get these people to the play the interviews he did he didn't really have a show. Well. He did average show but there were so amorphous would change every week. They'd have a different name or they would drop that show he come back with another show two weeks later let's your radio said that. Tape Recorder of I was like forty pounds. To Lula's wrapped, strap it on his back and he'd luggage into the clubhouse. He'd be the only guy there with any equipment like that, and the sports writers would just resent him totally for coaching on their sacred. Brown, if they own the clubhouse. Hated him. So they would knock the plug out of a war. Record, it wouldn't work or they. They shout obscenities it from. Michael phone so it would be unusable. That's the. The immediate. Of, enemy making did among the sports ride, which is something that was a running battle throughout his whole life few. He had sports writer Dick Young that was was the main. Antagonists isn't he? Called Dick Young his Asia there. Out So Stuart. Just unbelievable was. Almost interest pile the way they viewed it with each other, but it was very entertaining. Obviously huge are big osage Sullivan would have few walker wind chill people like that would always have refused to that was sort of like incumbent upon people who were celebrity and coastal really enjoyed it but it was there was a double edged sword to that because he made he any enemy. In the media, not only among sports but in in the media as a whole that when he starts to fall in the eighties sort lose altitude there was nobody defendant. Very sad thing everybody sort of sort of ran away from Howard. To the little the little monkey remark. On Monday night football now Seattle Garrick remark and nineteen, eighty three no one was there defend him in the last decade of his life was to miss the horror show. He was all alone. When his wife died emmy and nineteen ninety-one totally alone and died that way even people who hated him so very sad. I know the last conversation I remember I worked in Philly all my life March. So I I I, not see him coming in for Monday night football and things like that. Of course, one of his greatest adventures was at Franklin Field But He would stand auburn it was a columnist for the Philadelphia whether it's in your book and up at and Stan. Hochman, they had a tremendous. You'd for years stand was gonNA assume the they threw back on an airplane together they got to violent discussion and He, he there wasn't a writer in the world that that's. Appreciated or likes to. Howard cosell. Yeah and and he would know exactly which ones are writing. About him even the smallest podunk bugle. No. I don't know how we radar or something he was known as somebody wrote something nasty about him and he would stop around the office all day vilifying whoever it was, who did that and it was like his Howard Cosell, the most recognizable man is sports in the country obsessing over what some two bit writer has to say about him in the paper that was that was that was triggered Samantha but it's jury. Everybody Oi interview always said the same thing that Howard was the most insecure men ever met, and that's certainly showed up in a lot of ways. It was one of the things that made him great kept on erected barriers. Keep with everybody and that drove him to almost You know maniacal Lens grade but the enemies he made as you say, that'd be everybody I mean I don't know how the man live because there was a new every day brought another confrontation. Thought that from an articulation standpoint pick it always bring the other person down the other person didn't know nor did he make as well? He was almost he was almost A. A world famous lawyer talking to people down that never never with that always down and that was his his strength was that he was smarter than they were. You use bigger words they hit and he drew a lot more than they did. Yeah in the beginning, he was able to use that with sort of a wink. Would sort of able to play toward that. You know the power of Howard Cosell a little self deprecating humor. You didn't think it was him. You thought it was an act that he was playing. It was one of the things that kind of made him enduring. But later on, you lost all that, any was not in hearing at all towards long. As as you say everyone he would run into you know would come away with this Howard cosell story of being being browbeaten and be rated by Howard. It just became. It wasn't funny after a while in the beginning it was funny to be attacked by our. Larry Merchant so that you know he said. At, the beginning when he attacked, we were flattered we loved it. It was Howard. But towards the end, it was like, who is who is this guy to be attacking anybody you know? He's no bargain. This guy. Change to the fact that he really meant it I mean. The early. Hey, babe, it'll self-deprecation. But as it grew on he he meant what he said I mean he he he hated. Well, he put it on a book write. That book I never played the game which was. A three hundred page rant against everyone basically he ever met. Give us specifically Gifford and meredith but anyone route arlene should anyone whoever whoever was on his side came in for a brutal tonguelashing in that book and it was not pretty at all. Time with Abou- author of Howard Cosell. The man, the myth and the transformation of American sports You mentioned his name earlier of the association with as you said, the beginning with caches quiet and became Muhammad. Ali that that association was that calculated. You think on how cells that he would be elevated by being associate with Alli. Or did he really feel for Allie going through what he did at that time? He was very calculating man was very starting a business bent marketer of himself and in the sixty. That was one that was when popular culture demanding different kinds of. Heroes of Anti. Heroes people who you wouldn't expect to be. Aerobic. Big. Mouths. You know people who brag about themselves and everything like that. So they recognize each other that if they can. In the sort of buddy. Buddy Buddy game here that they would go even further than they would on their own. You know Howard was very close with what Patterson before Clay Shaw Ali came along. He was the producer of the ABC Radio Network fight coverage and he would go all the big fights and he would get very close to the two fighters he. Floyd. was almost a family member of a member of in the coastal households to his wife and daughters love Boise and then they had a falling out which is almost like a divorce. It was like a like a you know it was that personal a thing and that came about judge as clay what's coming around so I think it was you know because so ready to junk one wife for another you know and and the Clay Lee became his wife Professional. Like Emmy was his wife. Wife for about fifteen years they same ups and downs and you know separations and records. But it was like to the public. It was unbelievable like we've got folly was there without cosell. You say, well, where's our you know Howard has to be there for. The remarkable thing and I still think. The single most brave the brave thing I've ever seen and heard in sports journalism was Kosovo defensive all league when he refused to go into the military because they had nothing to do with politics or religion or anything like that. It was based strictly on the Constitution and the law and processed, and only cosell could have done that at the time because nobody else at any. At any network could've been framed, elect that cosell having been the warriors no executive talking about and that's a really really finest moment and one of the finest moments journalism I think. and. The other thing was that I think route Orleans was a genius. He realized that hating somebody was as important as loving someone that the more he put. Howard cosell on the game the more things he did with Howard goes though with Mohammad-ali the more people hated him the more people they tuned in to say that they hate it but they tuned into every minute of his radio show every bit of living stevie. Action which was exactly the formula that made Monday night football such an incredible. Of people don't realize today if they didn't live through it what an event it was. Burning I took and and and realize the the basis of it. All I agree with Howard because you you would. It was called. There was a thing called the the Tuesday night the Tuesday coffees the. Coffee Break Syndrome or something or water cooler cooler man. We get together right at the office on Tuesday and talk about what Howard cosell instead the night before and it didn't matter what teams were. You could have the worst teams in the League at thirty two nothing game in the third quarter and they never would lose their audience because people will be waiting to hear how cosell would attack the. Tactical. Team that was losing it an amazing phenomenon at Howard Howard, played it to the hill. Unfortunately, that was when he got to lose it as a journalist. He's started to become the caricature of Howard cosell and that sort of his pave the way towards his sad end. But while it lasted, that was like unbelievable phenomenon. Monday night football and you know DEB security guards to get in and out of the stadium. Threats daily. That's the kind of that's what life was like being Howard. cosell. And right because if they did people talked about really you was more about what Howard Cosell said that what the game is on. The game was sort of secondary less was maybe agreed bay packer game or something like that. You don't see that now at all now. Totally. Dependent it was a bad game and we'll get bad rating back. Then it it was more than a game. It was you know non football fans. Had had to watch you know women had to watch young people at to watch. A totally different dynamic for broadcasting sports at absolutely revolutionary. Introduced on understood introduced but he announced The John Lennon killing on Monday night football. Yeah, which is another example of how how different things were that that was the only live broadcast at the time. In trying time and for most of us, I know for me and most of the people that are that I run into who remember that say Yeah I learned about that from Howard cosell on Monday night football. The ironic thing being that Howard didn't want to go on the air with that for. As much of a of a man with impeccable news judgment Edgy always fancied himself. It was actually Frank Gifford Guy, you always derided kind of a dummy. Who Convinced Howard to go on the air he didn't want to interrupt the game a close. They want to interrupt the game floor but Gifford said, how would you have to go on? This like the world has been know this. And in typical cosell style you know he did. Pitch Pitch Perfect fashion you know dead on arrival those famous three. So I mean it was almost as famous as down goes frazier. An Howard was just doing this doing his work doing the job he was brilliant. It was when he began to be. You got to do the caricature power that he sort of slid. Well also the Olympic as everybody remembers Jim McKay and how devoted he was at the time to you know what actually happened in the You know the sadness of it, all and the Howard. Also was a was a big part of that as well. Howard. Always considered that the biggest disappointment the big A. Crushing disappointment of lifetime and never forgave roone arledge for he wanted to go on the air because as a Jew he felt he was he was almost over that. You know his story right? He was the only one reported it and. The idea does some brilliant work as a reporter during the these Rayleigh hostage situation in the Olympic village lying on its belly fifty feet from that building where was all happening but later on he was he was overawed tired was emotional and You know you've probably been drinking. That's that's something that was a constant in Howard's live. He was a heavy drinker he knew how to hold this maybe he didn't on that night Philadelphia matches before. He always claimed he wasn't drunk that. Those don't believe that. Don't believe that. But Ruin Win Maroon Algebra not let him on the air in the UNIX and thank God because he made a would have made a massive it and what we had said with Jim McKay's doing. They're all gone trap did on. The also. Disappointment of. Didn't say also from the know the journalism and in Sports Howard wasn't shy about doing some show Biz things made a couple of appearances on shows like the couple had that I. Guess It was seventy night live with Howard cosell show kind of an Ed Sullivan type show didn't last long but he enjoyed that too the name. Choi that after. The show Biz aspect roasts of Dean, Martin roasts, and all that kind of thing. Howard considered himself an alleged or he considered himself the ultimate celebrity and he rubbed elbows with other ultimate celebrities you know Gene Frank Sammy the whole deal you know you could call up anybody and get them on the on the white. He did the Frank Sinatra Comeback Comeback Concert Hall Right Guard, the introduced that. Three Woody Allen moved. He was all over the place in the pop. Culture. In the in the seventies and early eighties, he usually playing himself which somebody else can do. Howard with our and which is why there are no more hours. But he loved being a celebrity. You know. He you remember battle of the network storrow. Sure. He'd love to do that. You know he could begging. You can make a foot race between Gate Kaplan and Robert Conrad seems likes. The ultimate Olympics. Land and balanced or or something like. So. Yeah. He loved he just loved that and that that was part of the part of that era when he became less of a journalist more of A. Caricature. You know he wanted to be a celebrity. Mark weather the things you mentioned earlier and I sort of made this always analogous to Howard and that was war windshield the way he was all the way up it was the greatest thing that from soup to nuts and when he folly starting to go down everybody climbed on the bandwagon wanted to go. And I think they were very close that way. It's a good one I, I I I definitely remember the diffused and everything I was Sullivan which has huge. Yeah. It's Yeah. Had similar styles to very in your face. Absolutely. Nobody wants. twits yours another one that went all the way up at hopefully that. Wasn't a good gifting but has kind of personality that everybody loves the top by the end it was way there. Well, that's what happens when you make enemies. So so readily tower did Howard had to make enemies. Part of his site that he had to have someone to hate on in order to build up his own you go very, very insecure man I mean. The he was never secure that he even would have a job from one week to the next believe it or not. He was that insecure about e constantly needed people he used to walk into the lobby of the ABC corporate building on Avenue, the America's on Tuesday morning after the Monday night game waiting for the executive come through the revolving doors so that he could come up to them and hear them say what a great job you. Just Howard Cosell, you know you so insecure about it and at the end he just he did himself no favors by making so many enemy could've used a few friends. From eighty-five on when when everything sort of dried up for it was amazing showtime he died in ninety five people had already begun to to forget him. That's almost like a conscious conscious backlash against somebody when that happens after how high it been, who we'd like. People just want to forget about. The question about it and as I say in which case IT WASN'T TV? It was radio but he was the ultimate peak. You know Sunday night show that he did, and then of course, the gossip column and all the other things that he did and what the Californian slowly things started to deteriorate and basically exactly the same stories Howard cosell nobody likes you and. I remember him in the untouchables open you know, right? Yeah. That was when and that cymbeline our that was at a time with few people even remember to win which was right saw. The. Great. Fall people have. Michael said an interview and Howard became. Better at the end of the you know the m salts weren't funny. Anymore became a bitter situation and I guess like you said, he literally died alone the last few years not happy. Terrible even the people who really didn't like Howard, couldn't fail to be. On just the tragedy of the sadness of his ending especially when his wife dies any in nineteen ninety-one because she was really the only person throughout his life, he could rely on was in ballast. Every day with them. She wants everybody they gave them Oh. Yeah. He wouldn't had to be there because. He just lost all reality when she wasn't there. She was the only one who could stop him from becoming of Texas. You know making a spectacle of himself in public most you have to do is look at them Howard, you know he would stop immediately like a little kid obeying his mother and there was a great love story in the midst of all this clatter and Din and confusion around Howard. There was a great love story between onto their so opposite. He Jewish. She not she from a wealthy background he not. And you know there was just so different but they merged almost to become the same person at the she died in ninety one in a very sad he was he was the last four years of his life basically walking dead waiting to die. It was so sad a man who had ruled is his industry like that was all. So alone shut off from everybody and He again, he he did himself very few favours to prevent that he could have possibly prevented that had. Just lost that insecurity and treated people better than he did. To fascinating subject ends book written by Mark for Bass, you who's our guest? Howard cosell. The man, the myth, the transformation of American sports mark. Get out a website. You can get a hold of the booker hold you. Well you you could. You could just you don't needed your favorite bookstore. Amazon DOT COM OR BARNES AND NOBLE DOT COM pick it up there and. It should be there. I mean. It's been third printing. Now it's only been out a few weeks I guess people are. Interested. In learning about Howard and I'm glad they are because. He's missed. As Obnoxious Missed the I mean he's missed when you look around TV's, you know sports these days. Very kind of it's either it's either antiseptic for. Yelling and screaming about basically nothing and. We could really use her our journalist someone with a little bit. More of a sensibility about it now, but we're the latter yelling screaming about nothing yet. It's out or it's become more more s word up there. That's like the curse Howard you know they they they they approximate that part of him without the other part of him, which was the as a journalist because he's the one who merge sports and entertainment. Now, it's almost all entertainment. So how would would probably be just as just as a gas looking around as he wasn't nineteen, sixty five when he looked around the sports well, that works at eight why that's why joy fill must accept much in the New York Post I think he tries to you know he creates conversation he creates items of interest I just enjoy Phil think he does very professional job and and I look forward to two columns Rights what three days a week just Thursday Fridays. On the and of course, the TV section but Tries to bring out things more realistic in rob that type of thing and I I. Write really today that left down all even even sports centres dowse Stugotz said many times. You don't even watch sports center see scores anymore because all they do is jigger roads jumper rally stuff that doesn't make any numbers. Yeah, I mean that programming throughout the day that basically repeats itself every half an hour. and. It's all cookie cutter. Different people talking about the same thing but right? Tibo Tim. Tebow twenty four hours a day. Powered would be wasted his threats with something like that. He would have he would have been all over this penn state I'll tell you that but all you. But you might have fool to you might have actually you might have actually made the case that fraternal has been fired illegally. The Way Ali had been stripped illegally. Liam's titles. That's the way Howard. He come up with something Howard you crazy and you listen to make particular case for what he was saying you wind up agreeing with them. That was our. Defense State Syracuse things are two different I was. told. But I I agree with you. I. Think things that are being discussed right now from a number of different angles and and very correctly. So even ABC News. Major piece on Sandusky tonight and whether it's lawyer was correct incorrect and allowing him to do this interview with the New York. Times. And the previous interview he did on on tape and whether this is the right way to approach it. of the you're right the major major stories right now. And how we going to bring some clarity to it? You know. I mean. He would bring some cohesion as a lawyer of course, he with no political issues back and forth. That's that's something. That's of course missing with totally from sportscasting now and. I disease or You know like that that that you pine for Howard again. You want somebody to be the ultimate word on something rather than having everybody and his brother. And they're all. You want somebody with. What our. Mark appreciate taking some time to spend about a half an hour with us. We could talk for hours on a subject like Howard cosell but we look forward to having again down the road some time but thanks for being with US tonight.

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The President, The Admiral, And The Truth; Ivanka Trump Used Personal Account Emails About Govt. Business; White House Backs Down; Pres. Trump Slams Congressman Using Vulgar Tweet; Pres. Trump: I Probably Won't Sit For Mueller Interview

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The President, The Admiral, And The Truth; Ivanka Trump Used Personal Account Emails About Govt. Business; White House Backs Down; Pres. Trump Slams Congressman Using Vulgar Tweet; Pres. Trump: I Probably Won't Sit For Mueller Interview

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Well, someone else now has an Email problem, and she's close to the president as close as his own daughter will have that breaking new shortly. I think about your thoughts the day after the nine eleven attacks. Do you remember how you felt when the President George W Bush stood at ground zero and said this. I can hear you. How did you feel back then? And how about on this day nearly ten years later? Tonight. I can report to the American people and to the world. The United States is conducted an operation that killed SAMA bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda and a terrorist. Who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children if you were relieved in proud to hear President Obama say those words as you were angry and proud when President Bush spoke into that Bullhorn, you wouldn't be alone, Osama bin Laden wounded this country in a way that could not fully heal until he was captured or killed people haven't forgotten that we haven't forgotten this famous photo from the situation room as the rate on took place the sacrifices that made this moment possible, nor the work of seal team six in our gratitude that they all came home safely gratitude for everyone who made their mission possible because it helped heal this horrible wound. We all live with so long. You would think therefore that no one would have anything. But a kind word for anyone involved with that. Operation. Let alone the Admiral who oversaw at all. However, there is an exception. He happens to be commander in chief. President Trump has a beef with retired Admiral William mcraven the man in charge of seal team six and all special operations at the time. And it really shouldn't be necessary to mention he literally wrote a fundamental textbook on special ops. We shouldn't have to say that retired a highly decorated commander, nor that he went on to become the highly respected chancellor of the university of Texas. We should have to say that he left that job earlier this year to battle chronicle Kimia or that he is why the regarded by Republicans Democrats villian soldiers in academics as the opposite of a political animal. We shouldn't have to say any of it except the president of the United States had made Admiral mcraven a target of his ire. Bill. Mcraven retired Admiral navy seal thirty seven years, former head of US special operated Clinton fan special operation Clinton fan who led the operations command of the operations that took downside sane and that killed us on bin Laden says that your sentiment is the greatest threat to democracy in his he's a Hillary Clinton, backer, an Obama backer, and frankly was a navy seal. Nice. If we got some bin Laden a lot sooner than that. Wouldn't it have been nice living think of living in Pakistan beautifully in Pakistan? And what I guess they considered a nice mansion. I don't know I've seen. That's the president this weekend on Fox News. The apparent trigger annual mcraven criticism of the president's attacks on the press. And okay, we know the president is a counterpuncher. That's what it's defenders. And that's how they frame it. But keeping them on nothing. The president hits back within this case. If that's what he's doing has the weight of truth behind it. Just the opposite. His gestion that Admiral mcraven special operators were responsible for locating bin Laden. Not true CIA and others were seal team six got its orders on the twenty ninth of April twenty eleven less than two days later bin Laden was dead. As for his claim that Admiral mcraven is or was in his words, a Hillary Clinton backer, ended Obama backer. Well, it's kind of the same thing as saying that the current head of special operations is a Trump backer, Admiral mcraven served during the Obama administration and the Bush administration. He backed neither Democrats and Republicans who know him know that and have said so yet today the Republican party tweeted. Worth noting after recent comments retired Admiral William mcraven it was reportedly on Hillary Clinton shortlist for vice president in two thousand sixteen. He's been critical of President Trump even dating back to the twenty sixteen campaign. He's Horley a non political figure, they say, well, keeping them honest part of that is true and rumble craven was briefly mentioned as a running mate for Hillary Clinton. He was also mentioned as a possible national security advisor to President Trump and again colleagues of all stripes have praised him as being nonpartisan. So is the president projecting here just a little bit. You can decide for yourself. Does the president projected times? Does he tried to diminish in others, the kind of qualities that he himself lacks? Well, take a look. War here. He's a war years. He's a war hero presumes captured. I like people that weren't captured. Okay. I hate to. The president has also mocked gold star parents. And today he seemed to say that none of what those parents child died four. None of risks that seal team six took none of the fighting. None of the dying would have been necessary if the country had only listened to him listen to what he tweeted today. Of course, we should have captured Osama bin Laden long before we did I pointed him out in my book, just before the attack on the World Trade Center, President Clinton famously missed his shot, we paid Pakistan billions of dollars, and they never told us. He was living, there fools. He seems to be saying he warned us all. But no one listened think about that. As you. Remember, how you felt on nine eleven read the book, he says, then you'll see well, keeping them honest. We did read the book it's called the America we deserve. And here's the passage in question. One day. We're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one and US jetfighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock and a few new psych. Later. It's onto a new enemy and new crisis. That's all. That's it. Not exactly Paul revere. Reveres midnight, ride, not even Mr. toes wild ride. And there's more to the story. C N N's Jim Acosta joins us now with the very latest President Trump seem to pivot from his attacks as the day went on Admiral mcraven. What is he saying? Now, he did because there was a lot of bipartisan criticism coming in John after he went after Admiral mcraven, he put out that tweet as you mentioned just a few moments ago going after Bill Clinton saying well, the Clinton administration mister shot to take out Osama bin Laden US forces US intelligence, as you know, John they did try to take out bin Laden in the late nineteen nineties, but neglects to mention obviously that nine eleven nine eleven happened under President, George W Bush, and the Obama folks would argue that they put the focus back on capturing or killing bin Laden a win Barack Obama came into office, and John I should point out. This is just not outraging. Democrats also outraging Republicans are talked to g GOP congressional congressionally. A key GOP. Congressional aide earlier this evening who said this is pathetic quote pathetic coming from the president. And as you mentioned, John, not even accurate as US intelligence was in charge of finding bin Laden. But it was the navy seals who were under the command of craven who got him. Jim. It's important to note where the president saying now is different than what he was saying when bin Laden was actually killed correct? That's right. We've talked about this before there's a tweet for everything in this case. There's actually a statement for everything the president when he was a citizen Trump than businessman. Trump told Dr colleague Maggie Haberman over at the New York Times of back in twenty eleven after the bin Laden raid was successful and took out Osama bin Laden, he gave a statement to Maggie when she was over politico saying listen, I want to congratulate President Obama and US worse on a job. Well done that is a pretty big departure from what he's been saying the last twenty four hours a job. Well, done overseen by annual William mcraven, Jim Macon's at the White House. Thank you so much joining us now someone who served with the Admiral retired army, Lieutenant General Mark irt. Ling also CNN global affairs analyst max boot, author of the corrosion of conservatism. Why I left the right general hurtling, I want to start with you. Because President Trump maintains that he has quote done more for the military than any president in many many years and that nobody's been more with the military than he has as president. So how does that square with what he's now saying about Admiral mcraven? I'm not sure does square John. Certainly there has been a key budget increase over the last year. Not truthfully. All that significant compared to pass budget increases, but I'm trying to kind of square that with the way he has coordinated with our allies the ways he has made it tougher in some cases for our military to maintain those alliances to counter some of the things that are going on around the world, the broadening of various threats and how we're addressing them from a national security standpoint, the Veterans Administration there's been a lot of talk about fixing some of the shortcomings there, but not a whole lot of action. In fact, just this week. I know you have seen the other scandal that's occurred with GI Bill payments. So there is this continued mantra of g the military is so much better. I'm not sure it is. And in fact, one of the concerns I have is the continued. Political as Asian of the military who's on the left who's on the right? That's all being generated by politicians, not the military themselves because they swear their oath to the constitution. But this is damaging to men and women who wear the uniform they sign up to do a job. They don't fight for one individual support and defend the constitution, the United States and the political ization of the military, the intelligence community and law enforcement is increasingly dangerous in my view wanna come back to that. In just a second max boot to you because as the president somehow comes across in comes up with this criticism of the bin Laden raid. You know, this falls neatly into a pattern that this president has which is making his career on second guessing, he's a genius decision making. But only after the fact he loves to come back and say, I would have done something differently. You saw during the after the parkland shooting where he said I would have run into the school and confronted the shooter. You saw him after the California forest. Fires saying it was missing. Management. They should have raked the forest you even saw it after game for the World Series where he said the dodgers made a mistake in Yenkey. They're starting pitcher, and the implication is that Donald Trump of omniscient all knowing he would have done something differently. And there is zero evidence of that in this in any of these cases, including this one without mcraven because there is no evidence as you pointed out that he ever actually said we need it to be going after Osama bin Laden prior to nine eleven all he said in that passage you correctly, quoted was there's this guy out there named bin Laden, and he's getting a lot of attention. But then we move onto something else. So now, he's trying to suggest that, you know, almost as if I Donald Trump had given the GPS coordinates, and they didn't do anything about it, which is absurd sort of like Casey Stangl, the smokey bear in Rambo all wrapped up in one twenty two. When he's at you're actively looking like, the Walter Mitty of presidents marker lane general when you talk about the position of the military. That's serious. No one thinks that the military is above reproach in doesn't deserve criticism at times. However, president seems to be looking at it exclusively through a political lens in this place, perhaps very misplaced political lens when dealing with Admiral mcraven. Yeah. And some in the military are picking up on that. And it's unfortunate that some are even during this way. We're seeing people choosing left and right who were wearing the uniform and having worn the uniform for almost four decades, John I countered counted this afternoon. How many presidents I served under? I had to forcibly count that it was five Republicans and three Democrats and Bill mcraven was in the same time. I was so I would guess he served under those same kind. It didn't make a difference to me during those times, we served the constitution and at the pleasure of the president as long as they were giving legal and moral orders. But unfortunately, the president continues to use the military as props. He likes to stand in front of them. He likes to use them for parades or hopeful parades, change policy that seems to go along with an ideology that's not in line with what the military does. And what we've built in terms of the strengthen the military and what's dangerous and all this is less than one percent of America. Serves in the military. So people who are commenting about what the military should. And should be what they shouldn't shouldn't think who they shouldn't shouldn't support. It's it's all I can say is it's dangerous because we built a very strong military over the last forty years, and it's coming under quite a bit of criticism from our president right now, which is unfortunate. So max general hurtling notes that President Trump likes us military as props? That's what he says critics over the last two weeks noted that may be true, except if it's raining and France, or if it's Veterans Day, and he doesn't want to go over to Arlington, or if there is a general who's been critical of him. It's interesting. He's very quick to throw the military under the bus with the first opportunity, and he likes the pastas. He loves mind military and the primary evidence for that. Is the fact that he signed off on higher defense budgets that really came from Republicans on Capitol Hill, but he's not gonna inconvenience themselves by going to war cemetery and France, if it's raining he didn't budge out of the White House on Veterans Day. And the worst thing that. You also by the way, not visited the troops in the field. I mean, he spent over four months of his presidency at more log on but at Bedminster, he has not spent one day visiting the troops in the field, which all previous presidents have done. But the worst thing he's done until the point that general Ling was making is politicizing the military with this crackpot deployment of troops to the border for no reason other than to serve as a political stunt, and I noticed today the army, so those troops would go go home. Even though the caravan has not actually reached the border, which underlines the fact that there was no military necessity for this deployment. And that is a very dangerous precedent using the troops for political purposes is interesting general because as we started this segment with we've noted the president seems to suggest he's got the full backing of the military says my military my generals, but he did backtrack on something today. And it was the fact that he did not visit Arlington on Veterans Day. He said he should have you almost never see the president. Did any mistake? He admitted a mistake in that case. And I do. You wonder if it's because he is starting to get some criticism from within this group of people who support he's perhaps taken for granted. That could possibly be true, John? But I also think it's an understanding that he's losing the trust incompetence of those who wear the uniform an interesting factor is you know, leadership is all about generating that trust. And that only comes when you say the right things do the right things and put yourself in harm's way. Certainly a president wouldn't do that. But the troops need to know that he is on their side. They need to know that they can trust him. And that he has an integrity and these continued incidents like this. I think are wearing away at that trust. You were seeing that in some of the polls taking within the military in terms of percentages, supporting Trump right now as opposed to when he was first elected in the differences that also all concerns me as well general martling as always we thank you for your time and your service max boot, thanks for being here as well. Appreciated next of Trump's Email problem. Yes. You heard that? Right. Vonk Trump using private E mail for official government. Business problem later, the White House backs down the legal clash was CNN over press access and calls for core. But he's the president listening. We've got a tweet to help you decide plus David Gergen and Carl Bernstein surround. Support for Anderson Cooper three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. 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Licensed in all fifty states and MLS consumeraccess dot org number thirty thirty. Breaking news. The president certainly has had plenty to say over the years about Hillary Clinton's emails and his fans still yell. Lock her up at rallies shows should be interesting to see what if anything he has to say about this. As it turns out, his daughter, Ivanka used her personal Email can't count for government business. The Washington Post was the first report this story tonight in Washington Post reporter, Josh dossey joins me now. So Josh exactly how many emails retort about here in what did Vonk Trump use for personal Email four, right? So what we're reporting Janis that she used a personal Email to Email White House aid cabinet officials other than the government about government business from her west wing office and from the administration and in those emails White House. We've you found that many of them were in violation of the federal records act which requires government business that we done on government emails. What time for we're talking about here? This is just before she officially entered the administration and then shortly after and after it goes into fall twenty seventeen the administration did a review last year in response to a number of freedom of information request for documents from the public and found that there had been a number of emails from vodka Trump sent from personal account about government business. Her lawyer Abbe goal was called in to do a review and to make sure everything was eventually folded. To a government account, which could be safeguarded than kept giving you kind of response from the White House about this yet the White House, the kind to comment they referred all questions, Abby all were outside while you're in our story. We included this comments who said it was rare that she did it was occasional. And that it was not like, oh, we Email us going lawyer was far less frequent and there was no server in our baseline. So we put it pretty extensive comments in the story tonight. From one of the similarities, though, is that her own personal lawyer was the one who was the initial Vetter vetted, those emails and decided what was turned over to the government. And what was not in? There will be there already have been comparisons between evolve Trump's emails and Hillary Clinton's the Clintons use personal Email. What are the differences here? Well, we have no proof. There was classified information sent from Ivanka Trump's Email, obviously with a reclassification. There was done on Hillary Clinton's afterwards. They determined that some of the documents could have been caused. I we think it was less frequent than ever Email. I use our understanding of situation John and that it eventually stopped when she was told to stop all that she stopped doing it. Now, obviously, we're still continuing to report it and figure out if there's more of a story. And if so we'll bring it to you. Of course, one of the things that I read in the article that you Roach is that people inside the White House were not just surprised about the volume of personal Email us. But also her initial explanation, which was what exactly people in the White House. Worse startled by the fact, she seemed to be the highest offender who it's at the most of emails and when they approach her about it. She simply expressed ignorance of the roles said that she did not know that all of them had to be dumb government, Email server, and basically that you did not realize she was so in the wrong. What surprised so many of the folks on the White House, John because obviously your father ran a campaign where Channing vodka up the Clintons. Use of a private Email was essential thematic issue of campaign. So it seemed us startling to people in the white outside. She would not have had more. Site to preserve our emails to a governments over its imagine. Anyone who lived through twenty sixteen being surprised by rule surrounding personal Email us for government work? Josh doc-. Thanks so much for the reporting. Appreciate you being with us. Thanks for having me with me now to former federal prosecutors CNN chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin and legal analyst and milgram. Jeff irony is dead. Is vodka on controlling legal trouble. I doubt it. But I mean because I think most people realize that government officials do use their private Email, occasionally, Hillary Clinton did it too. It is not fundamentally a big deal. The news media made it a big deal. Donald Trump made it a big deal. But this is not a. It's not it's technically not within the rules. But everybody in government. Does it? This is the problem. I mean, this is why Hillary Clinton got a very raw deal be legal. But in terms of irony off the chart. Oh my God. I mean, you know, I it's just and you know, and I feel personal responsibility for this as well. I spent a lot of time here CNN talking about Hillary Clinton's emails, and I think we talked about it too much. I think we made a bigger deal as than it should have. But it. Fundamentally is not that big a deal. It's not that big a deal for vodka. And it shouldn't have been that big a deal for Hillary. So anabolic Trump's attorney says that she did occasionally use for private Email for business and says that none of the emails contained classified information. Right. So so one of the things that came up a lot with secretary Clinton was where the emails classified, and it looks like a number of them turned out happening classified sheet. She actually and she didn't have knowledge at the time here the big concern too. Big concerns one is that you know, other Email servers can be hacked, you want all the government security that you can have. And so you want emails to be within the government server number one number two is just you know, really becomes a question. They're always freedom of information acts. There's a reason that they want to preserve all the presidential documents. And really at the end of the day, the government should control those emails and have access. They shouldn't have to go through someone's private lawyer. And the one thing I think I would disagree a little bit with on Jeff is that look it's part of being government people may do it. But it really. Is important. I think to use government emails and at the end of the day. You know, the thing that's stunning about. This to me is that there is incredible hypocrisy. She she knew that this was a huge issue and then to go and just disregard as though you're above the row is problematic the arrogance. The incredible arrogance is with a little measure of stupidity thinking that after watching this campaign, which she had a pretty good seat for and then not being scrupulous about your Email practices is pretty remark. She didn't know she didn't know the rules coming in after a year of a campaign. Incredible. I mean, you know, and having sat through all those campaign events with our father where all he talked about personal servers and personal emails. And so it's a big difference between her and Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton should've obviously also known the role. She was secretary of state, but we've lived through years of this conversation. And by the way, there earlier were similar reports about Jared Kushner, her husband doing some. Very similar. I think it just underlines what a phony issue. The Email issue was about Hillary Clinton. They knew it was bogus because they did the same thing. And they obviously don't think it's that big a deal. I mean, it just was a bogus issue or about Hillary Clinton. And I think they are acknowledging in a way that it's bogus for them. What do you think the the house oversight committee under democratic leadership might do with this issue? I mean, it's very possible. They would call her into testify or call others to testify. I think to Jeff's point. He's right. I'm sure people do she's not the only one to do it. But at the end of the day one of the questions, I have is why did it go on for so long point seventeen. If it were February the month after the inauguration. Okay. But for eight months is at eight eight nine months, it's it's a lot every math Jeffrey Toobin. Thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it may not be the last time. We have this discussion next the White House backs down, and it's clash with CNN over holding the president accountable. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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And now the White House is it's come up with new rules on decorum. When questioning the president speaking of decorum, the president certainly been busy lately on the old electric Twitter machine. Here's what he said about California. Congressman Adam Schiff ranking member of the house intelligence committee before I read it decorum requires a warning the president misspelled the congressman's name, and you could probably tell where this is going. I'm quoting now. So funny to see little Adam shit talking about the fact that acting attorney general Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate. But not mentioning the fact that Bob Muller who is highly conflicted was not approved by the Senate. Joining us now to men who've seen all kinds of behavior from all. Ends of presidents and seen it from inside and out investigative journalist and author Carl Bernstein and former White House senior adviser to four presidents, David Gergen, David I want to start with you. The president just last week said decorum was needed in the White House yet he doesn't appear to be very concerned with his own decorum regarding congressman shift does he. No, no loyalty does not run both ways with this president nor to rules of the game or views on decorum. I must say I think this has been a significant victory for CNN and for the country. It's it's we've now reinforced through the courts in through the White House backing down we reinforce this ain't the first amendment which was at what was critically at stake here. And we go back to work. Now, what we'd have to say John is a night of ironies, by the way on our new here is that this is a White House that has prides itself on how many regulations it has raced across the government now putting into place a set of regulations with the guard to the press. But it we'll have to see is. How are these regulations? In force. Are they really going to allow reporters to continue asking a follow up or not that's critical to the operations of free press yet no follow ups? It seems like a fairly draconian at a brief. Carl that would be Konia back to the issue of decorum here if this is how the president reacts the congressman Schiff before he takes over the house intelligence committee. What do you think we'll see from the president what shift has subpoena power? Well, first of all the whole question of the president's decorum on a daily basis in terms of traditional norms. The question answers it self what's much more important, and the least. Demonstrable area where we see the president day after day with no concern for decorum is the lying. Lying is not decorous to go back to the to the definition of decorum and lying is the opposite of decorum. And that's what all of these issues. Come back to this is a dangerous presidency. This is nothing to make light of. Yes, irony is dead and all the rest, but this is a dangerous presidency. It's dangerous to the truth. It's dangerous to the national security. It's dangerous to the western alliance. And that's what we keep learning is the danger of this president and what he does. And now the danger also about the rules don't apply to him. They don't apply to his family. They don't apply to his his daughter. We see one thing after another. But really lack of decorum comes back to questions of on. Sti, and that is where there is no decorum in this White House to follow up on that point, David. The president says our Carl Bernstein who's not president not yet at least. Much says it's nothing to make light of here in this case. How should Democrats handle it? Then what's the right way to handle it everything? From the sliding scale of the comments about Adam Schiff, all the way to avant. Trump's emails what are the risks of pitfalls for them? Major risk is that of overplaying their hands when a new congress voting from the out party. There's a tendency to want to push forward on all fronts all guns blazing take down the president. If you can was we saw far way Newt Gingrich coming into power in nineteen ninety four when the Republicans swept house, he overplayed his hand, and it really wound up nine DEM. She not only him, but the but the body itself, and this case was an Snead first and foremost to do in the next few days is demonstrate they can come together bridge their differences on this choice of speaker and on on who's going to be doing what within the house. So you have you in effect have people who merge as spokesman or unofficial spokesman for the party and can carry the fight or the corporation onto the airwaves and being speak credibly about things and. Crawl you've noted that you feel as if the president's acting like he's backed into a corner. Now, I think he is I think that the election returns were a real rejection of Donald Trump and his method and his line and the way he has done the business of the presidency. I think that is really how Republicans many of them. If you talked to them on the hill in private are interpreting the election. They are worried about going forward with this president in two thousand twenty in ways that they perhaps we're not before before the midterms, but it all comes back to this question of supporting a president who cannot come to a basic truth about his business, the country's business the business of the western alliance. We keep coming back to this notion that we don't have the best obtainable version of the truth except in our reporting. And that is why this lawsuit by CNN was so important. What has been held is the prerogatives of the press under the first amendment? Yes. The White House gets to make the rules if they're plied fairly and evenly. Let them promulgate rules if they are and reply them across the board in a fair manner. But we have seen nothing of the sort. We have seen a war on truth by this president. And that is what even today's events all of this about decorum all of this about vodka Trump. It's about the truth. She didn't know the rules. We keep coming back to it. And I will note that no one has agreed including CNN to the idea of rules that don't allow follow up questions at briefing. Right. We'll see what happens there. But that's not rule. Those aren't important. Journalists went agree to something David both of you sort of talked a little bit about Republicans here. I will know when it comes. To the issue of anwr William mcraven, which we talked about earlier in the show. Marco Rubio spoke out Paul Ryan spoke at I have seen Republicans step forward and say directly in some cases, that the president cross the line here in other cases, speaking out in support of mcraven. Do you think that Republicans if the president coach is the way the Carl's suggestion? He will we'll take a harder stand. David. I think the Republicans are now starting to distance themselves and increasing with increasing frequency from the president. They realized that he could become a liability in the next few months, especially when Muller comes down whether report and they're being they're beginning to speak for themselves as opposed to being held hostage by the White House. Which is what we've seen a lot of the first two years, and that's a healthy thing by and large for the Republican party. And I think I think are getting something fundamental about the importance of truth. We're going to learn tomorrow, for example, we should be hearing from the White House. It's what the president has finally decided about kashogi and the murder kashogi. And we'll see is he going to speak the truth about this or not so really important issue again, and again, and again, David Gergen Carl Bernstein, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it coming up after claiming multiple times that he was willing and eager to sit down for an interview in the Muller investigation. The president has changed his to now he says enough time has been in his words wasted on this does he have a point. Or is he rattled? Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. The president says he has completed his written answers to questions and special counsel Robert Muller's investigation that it wasn't a big deal. And that they will be submitted quote at some point very soon, as you know, the president sat down for an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News. But seems more unlikely than ever that he'll sit down for an interview with the Muller team. Your final position that there's going to be no sit down interview and nothing written or in person on obstruction. I would say probably probably I mean, I can change my mind. But probably I know I think we've wasted enough time on this witch hunt and the answer's probably finished what they. One hundred what we do is. We would I gave very many, sir. You're right and verse actually, we gave very very. Complete inches to a lot of questions that I shouldn't have even been asked. And I think that should solve the problem. I hope itself the problem if it doesn't, you know. You know, be told and we'll make a decision at that time. But probably this is the end, of course, this contradicts. The president has said many times in the past about his willingness to sit down for an interview with Muller. I would love to. We've done nothing wrong. Would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of one hundred percent? I would love to bake. I would love to go nothing. I wanna do or you didn't talk to moan. I'm looking forward to it actually standard. You would do it under. I would love to speak. I would love to nobody wants to speak for them me. If that my lawyers say never speak. President used to like to testify special counsel, Robert Muller. Thank. What would you say more likely to sit an interview now? My lawyers are working on that. I've always wanted to do an interview because look there's been no collusion. Just before airtime. I spoke with democrat congressman Jim Himes of Connecticut member of the house intelligence committee. So congressman after months and months of saying he'd be happy to sit down with the special counsel now on about face from the president says, he probably won't did you ever really believe that he wanted to believe that he wanted to whether he was ever going to be permitted to do. So is it totally different question. Look, my guess is that from the very beginning. The President Trump's lawyers were telling him that he had no business going in front of a special counsel. And hence, we are where we are. And you know, remember there's always been different versions of this. Bill Clinton, testified was basically deposed in front of a video camera. Now, we've got written questions, and we'll see where it goes. From here Kellyanne Conway claim today that the president's not afraid to sit down with Muller. He just doesn't believe it's necessary. Is that really true here? Do you think that it's important or would be important to hear what the president has to say? Well, what's important is that there is a mechanism for the? Special counsel to ask the president. Whatever question, the special counsel may have and that sort of an important constitutional principle that no person in the United States, including the president of the United States is above the law. So whether you do it the way Bill Clinton did it when he was being investigated, or however, you do it so long as the special counsel feels that he has had the opportunity to ask every single question. It is pertinent to the investigation. That's the important thing. So the president claimed contrary to reports that he had no idea that the acting general Matt Whitaker had said what he said on CNN among other places that he opposed the Muller in do you believe that the president had no idea that what have these opinions? I don't believe that for a second. I think the president demanded to know who he may get away with putting in that position that would be most inclined to share his view of this investigation. So look the president being dishonest is not a rare thing it's a daily if hourly thing, and so no, of course, I don't believe that at all. I think that this was this was not only was it done for the reason of keeping an option on eroding and remember you don't need to end the investigation Whitaker could simply cut the budget of investigation. And there's no question in my mind that the timing and orchestration of this acting attorney general was directed very specifically by the president to keep an option on eroding the investigation, if he wants to do that in theory, he could step in the way of indictments and step in the way of subpoenas. Which is why asked you if you've seen any evidence. We haven't seen any evidence of it yet. But in theory, he does have that power, which is why some Senate Democrats three. In fact, today filed a lawsuit declaring his appointment as attorney general unconstitutional saying that such an appointment requires Senate confirmation. Do you think they're lawsuit has any merit? Well, congress should stand up and say. Notwithstanding the litigation that will occur around the appointments clause of the constitution. And whether this is a principal officer, not to me, it's pretty clear that the attorney general is a principal officer and should be Senate confirmed. There's that. But the other thing here, of course, is that Whitaker is on record talking in an adverse way about this investigation. So whether or not the courts decide that he needs to be Senate confirmed it is very clear to me that given that he goes into this with an adverse opinion on this investigation. He should recuse himself right away. What percentage chance to you think there is that zero? Congress. Jim hines? Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. John. So let's check in with Chris to see what he's working on for Cuomo prime time to the top of the hour, sir. Right question. J B, ha ha ha zero. Well, then why waste your time fighting that fight as Democrats. You gotta ask yourself about their tactics. Sometimes is that really the battle for them to have about Matthew Whitaker is really going to change anything or should. They wait see what happens between now when the molar probe is over and take action as they need to. I don't get it. I know it's amazing. I still believe the best book to be written about the president will be the luckiest man in the history of the game. Even the Democrats help them tonight. We're going to be looking at the truth about what happened with the hunt for Osama bin Laden, what it means that the president went after Admiral mcraven, and we're going to talk about the latest for Monica Lewinsky, and how much there was that. We didn't know see JP it's a really interesting documentary series that she's part of Chris. Thank you very much. We'll see in just a few minutes just as millions of Americans are getting ready for the annual thanksgiving travel adventure news of yet. Another troubling development of the federal air. Marshall program coming up a CNN investigation into more than two hundred cases of air marshal alleged misconduct involving mishaps with firearms. The wait is finally over capital. One's the match and eighteen hole duel between fourteen time major champion, Tiger Woods and five time. Major chip Phil Mickelson. It's winner. Take all nine billion dollars on the Friday after thanksgiving member twenty-third highly anticipated match will take place in Las Vegas at shadow creek, who'll take hold nine billion dollars. Tune in Friday after thanksgiving, November twenty third coverage begins at two pm eastern on Biard live and pay per view. The annual thanksgiving travel ordeal will soon be upon us in for the millions who will fly over the holiday. There's more troubling news about the federal air marshal programme CNN senior investigative correspondent drew Griffin has been looking into the program for a decade. Now tonight has a new exclusive report. These documents released to CNN through a freedom of information act request reveal more than two hundred cases of alleged misconduct by federal air marshals involving firearms. Men and women supposedly well training use their weapons in one of the most dangerous environments misplacing misfiring even accidentally and not so accidentally shooting themselves documents released to CNN include nineteen accidental discharges including an air marshal who caused a gunshot wound to his right foot. Another accidentally discharged his firearm in a hotel room hitting a television in the adjoining room. More than seventy cases of air marshals losing weapons three times. Air marshals have left their service weapons in an airplane's bathroom. They've left weapons in restrooms bars even a bed bath and beyond in New Jersey. At least thirteen cases alcohol was involved after releasing the documents the federal air marshal service invited CNN to the air marshal training academy outside Atlantic City, New jersey where new air marshalls are taught how to handle their weapons and top instructor. Daniel Cole admitted reports are embarrassed. We look at what was the underlying cause what happened where where if and when training fail how and why did it fail? How do we plug that gap? How do we fix goal has training here? It's hard to compare. If air marshalls are more or less dangerous with weapons than other law enforcement agencies because the number of air marshalls is classified but former air marshals tell CNN any mishap is unacceptable because their agents operated thirty four thousand feet. There's no backup. You have got to take care of business. And you gotta do it very quickly and efficiently. Henry Preston who spent ten years in the service says he observed a decline in weapons training and practice year-by-year inconsistencies said that could contribute to mistakes, they need additional training. There's no doubt no doubt about it. Oddly three of the apparent mishaps occurred during firearms training in one case and instructor allegedly through training bullets called simulation into an open flame. They exploded. And one staff member was struck in the face by flying debris problems are nothing. New to the controversial air marshal service CNN has previously. Boarded agents have continually complained about low morale low staffing, grueling hours two thousand twelve sleep study up tamed by CNN shows seventy five percent of domestic air marshals. We're flying while sleep deficient. That study found that lack of sleep puts them at greater incidence of serious errors. Critics question of air marshalls are even necessary last year, the department of homeland security's inspector general slam the air marshal service and said its contribution to aviation transportation security is questionable. How state professor John Mueller? Ni who studies the efficiencies of security measures says the nearly one billion dollar agency is almost worthless federal air Marshall, simply don't pass muster in terms of cost benefit analysis. They deliver about five cents or maybe ten cents benefit for every dollar. That's spent on them. Now, the revelation that at least two hundred cases where agents made dangerous. Stakes is yet another strike against the federal air marshals. So drew Griffin joins me. Now in true. It's not often you hear someone saying a law enforcement agency is worthless. I'm sure the TSA doesn't she just dissolve the air marshals program. Right. Yeah. John the TSA Senate a full statement pushing back on the idea that you should just get rid of the air marshalls. We still though have no evidence. This group has taken part in stopping any terrorist activity and the DHS inspector general did call the group's contribution to safety questionable. Which is one of the reasons some call it's for disbandment, but on the issue of gun, safety and training TSA says these reports cover twelve years representing less than one percent of the workforce. During that timeframe and says these misconduct reports are taken seriously investigated and dealt with quickly. The idea though, that these people have guns on airplanes, and they may not be the best train. That's pretty troubling. I agree. The TSA says they are trained, of course, to the highest standards. John. The problem is many air marshals that we've been talking. Going to disagree with that. And even the government accountability office reported in two thousand sixteen the TSA wasn't able to tell if it's air marshals were being trained properly. They couldn't even tell TSA does say that's all fixed. Now, that's all we can take them at their word. Right. Let's hope drew Griffin. Thanks so much for the reporting things, but the news continues. So we'll hand it over to Chris. Cuomo Cuomo prime time starts now. Are you ready to learn how to build a better consulting or professional services company than download the list dot I O show for the best sales and marketing advice, so you can deliver your services to the people who need you the most on the show all be interviewing the smartest people in the industry to share what they know about building a better consulting business. Pull also give you up where I tell you. Specifically how to sell your services with confidence and how to transform into an influential leader in your industry, your happy clients probably wanna help. 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REShow: Jim Nantz. Hour 3 (02-04-19)

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REShow: Jim Nantz. Hour 3 (02-04-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. All right, everybody. Welcome to this third hour post Super Bowl Sunday edition of the rich Eisen show fresh bat will not really fresh back Midland flight landed old five AM time here in Los Angeles, California. But I'm sitting here at the desk, because I I I love all of you. And I just give just given a give that's one way to put it another way is I just love talking ball with y'all eight four four two four riches, the number two what a great week we have shows and Atlanta and we figured after chatting with Tom car in with the Boston angle and Jeff Schwartz broke down the Xs and os. We figured we'd go straight up the flow chart right now and get the man who called the Super Bowl on CBS remarkably the first one that he's called with the patriots winning. He had the trophy to them in the first ever Super Bowl, the NFL network covered back in Houston city. Obviously means so much to him. And we're thrilled to have the day after calling the game on CBS with the patriots beating the Rams gymnasts here on the rich Eisen show. How are you? Jim. I am. Well, and just like you. I hurry home as fast as I could. So I just got on the ground here in California. And I'm delighted to talk to you. I appreciate that. Jim. I appreciate that. So what do you take away from Super Bowl fifty three? Jim. And I had very little restless night relate to that. I've been of course, circling in my mind, so many thoughts about the game. So bizarre. Strange. Unlike anything, I've I think I've ever seen in a football game. It's just it was it was just a not what anyone expected, you know, pay tip of the hat here to Bill check. And I think that was perhaps his finest finest hour, maybe his finest game plan offer, and I don't want to shortchange while Matt at Brian Flora's, but we all know Bill never gave away defensive coordinator title this year because he is the coordinator, and I was at practices week. And I saw it at work and floors is right there with them but Bill is in the middle. And I mean when a tremendous game plan he put together to completely bring to a screeching halt an offense that. I was just packed full power and speed and all kinds of punch, and it just was not existent. How about this one? Yes. We had for the game one snap in the red zone for the game one. And it was the touchdown. Touchdown run by Sony from two yards out. Now, tell me a game you've ever seen that had one snap from inside the twenty for both teams combined. One. I can't recall it Siebel. I know in remarkably that happened fifty three minutes into the game. The exact number of Super Bowls at Penn. Played your numerology dream fifty three minutes into Super Bowl. Fifty three is when he creased the end zone, Sony, Michelle, and it it really was one of those games where I was expecting. I soon you were to that at some point. It would just all the defensive filters would be taken off and the the offense would have its say. But it really never happened. I thought in the second quarter when it was three nothing did so still going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the game that my partner Tony Romo had foreshadowed at the media day. He'd been asked to make a prediction on the game. Don't tell us who's gonna win that the the the question came from the floor. We know you can't pick a team. But just could you tell us the score. And Tony's that twenty eight twenty four and the team that has twenty four we'll have a ball at the end and be stopped. I thought that was still possible. I wasn't trying to call him out on it or make it look bad on those snarky people out there trying to make something out of that. But the reality was we had a game similar in flow at Kansas City two weeks before and that was a fourteen nothing game. And you never would've Madge that it would be thirty seven thirty one final in the end. That's what I still thought. We were heading toward was the game. There's going to be in the twenties, maybe somebody would touch thirty. And this thing would open up. But it never did. Did you get a sense at all to me? Jim Jim Nancy on the rich Eisen show. We may never get an answer to the question about Todd Gurley. Wh what did you glean throughout the week about his prepared? This readiness health anything, Jim? All I got was everyone's old. He was fine. Everyone on the record off the record. I think this is unrelated the what happened in New Orleans. I think the New Orleans thing was about his focus or lack of the beginning of that game the interception bounced off his hands. Another drop all the Rams are going in for a touchdown to the caught at around a fifteen yard line. And I think it was never called benching. I just think that McVeigh lost faith in him in the NFC championship game and got comfortable with the way Anderson was playing now this one I think this had to do with having the game plan being taken away from him. Not because anyone lost faith in him. I just think the game was forced to go in a different fashion than what the Rams usually. Do. You still got whatever it was ten carries the game not a lot. But it certainly had no flow to it. The Rams offense throughout. And it just I think I just think those two off performances are two different issues, and this one had more to do with what New England was throwing out to Nancy here on the rich Eisen show just landed back on the on the left coast. I think he's got an appearance on DP show at pebble coming up later in the week kind enough to call in in the rich Eisen show here the day after calling the Super Bowl. So let me ask you this one Jim where does Brady rank? I mean, as we all know you've seen great moments at Augusta you've seen great moments in the NC double a hoops tournament. You've seen so many great moments in your broadcasting career out of those areas as well where does Brady rank for you? It's a very difficult proposition to try to compare. Tom Brady, the Tiger Woods, for example of it. How do you say one's better than the other? These are just such special individuals who compete a such a high level, and who are just driven insatiable. Appetite to try to win win win. They just never let go of it and unquenchable thirst for victory. And I I just I admire that kind of athlete that just it's never enough is never enough. I mean, you would have thought that maybe this would be enough for Tom. I can't speak for him. Like, no one pretty well. You know him pretty well. We've covered him a long time. But you know, he walks off that platform last night with the Lombardi trophy is a little girl in his arms amazing. I mean, he convinced me he's coming back. I thought maybe there might be a little wiggle room than if he wanted that. This might be the right occasion, not not necessarily on Sunday night to take away from the moment. But I certainly out of sense. Just just listening to them answering the questions that you know, he's definitely planning on coming back and staying with that long range plan of of of quarterbacking tilles forty five years old. Yeah. I mean, it's it's amazing. I guess I should ask. Instead of rank if you've seen any, you know, similar traits, and you you mentioned one with tiger mean the first time you handed that trophy to Brady was way back when he was just winning his second. And now as you handed that one to him last night, you could say it was the second most valuable trophy that that little girl in his arms for him. And how it all connects maybe for him. I think that that he wants to keep playing while his kids remember watching daddy win the Super Bowl. I and and prove how long jeopardy is just a mindset really not an age. Jim. I'm wondering what you think having been so close up to it. Let me speak here. In terms of what Tom said to us when meeting with them over Wednesday, and that was discussed that when he first had the Lombardi in his hands going back to the Super Bowl in New Orleans. Thirty six beating the Rams whose twenty four year old kid didn't have of course, a family wasn't married. And now here he is he's you know, he's a man. He's forty one got father of three got a family, and he said how much enjoys being able to share this with his kids as oldest boy is really into it. Now, really? They take it very personally when things. Battlements fan more than he is a fan of his dad, but the second son is is not quite as into it in the in the little girl, and I made a reference to this on the victory platform last night, rich. She's she would always say that time he said after the game eight daddy. I was journ free. I was saying go daddy. Go could could you hear me? And he's said, of course, I could hear you, Honey. And there's a father of a little girl. I just thought it was really sweet thing to have a little bit in his hand last night. Like, you said there's no trophy that compares to that having a child in your arms actually in a moment. When it's the greatest moment of triumph on the football field merging with you know, your your greatest gift of all your family. So I think that he is to your point. I think he this one thing this keeping going it. Some people say now, I'm gonna go spend more time. I wanna let go of this. And I want to I wanted to just all my time instead of training and all the goes into. But I think as kids are into it. Now think kids are enjoying this life and watching their dad be you know, the greatest quarterback the games ever known. And last one for you, Jim Jim Nance here on the show. I I really like Romo a lot. Jim. I think you know, when I've told you this all Farrell tell you here too. He's he's like the guy the guy at the bar. Okay. Like he reacts like the guy at the bar. He knows more than the guy at the bar. But it doesn't want to make it seem like to the guy in the bar that he's not smart as him. I mean, he just he's he's he's terrific. And all that. I'm wondering what it's like trying to get the play in and get ready for the snap. And he's he's he's predicting stuff left right up and down for you, absolute, total joy, I I just love working with them. And he is a regular guy who struck it. Big in the NFL by working hard undrafted. I said to Sam farmer the day. You know, Tony is a guy into carries himself with a full blown case of undrafted Itis, so everything he's gonna get in in his world. He's gonna work for it. Whether it's being a great golfer or being a quarterback who set all the cowboy passing records or being tremendous analyst on television. It there's a part of that comes naturally, but he's working it. And he's able to take who he is his personality is boyish enthusiasm and be able to feel feel comfortable exposing that so the world of who he really is instead of trying to pretend somebody else instead of playing the role of the nounce her he's just being himself. And we we're we just had a ball for two years. So darn proud of him last night. It was it was such an important show. It always is anyone gets the good fortune of being able to work in any capacity a Super Bowl, but you know, for Tony. We didn't have the best game. It wasn't a game. That had a rhythm and flow. So we could get into it like the Kansas City broad. Casts that we have. But he did really well. And this is just the start of a long great career that one day rich will have him better known as the top football analyst of his time than being a quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, I mean that saying a lot it's it'd be like mad and right that that Madden was known more for that. That's the comparison in terms of John outgrew is legend of being Super Bowl winning coach and became known as John Madden. The voice of the people the voice of the sport Antonis on his way. So you're you're on your way to pebble. Right. That's your next gig. I'm on my way, back home. We've got the golf tournament here this week and Tony's going to be here, by the way, have some dinners to sit back, and what about dollar Shaggy's and celebrate what about ballot check next not playing this your bills out this year. And I think Brady's going skiing. So they've they've in the past. They've somehow they've come off a Super Bowl. Bowl game and made their way to the Monterey peninsula. The plan this thing, but this year and then tournament where I'm sure you'll be handing trophy to John beeline. I'm looking forward to that. That'll be great. Spoken like a true, Michigan alone. Maybe if it's not Kelvin Sampson, the university used a mice school right there. Sorry about that last year. Oh man bringing. No. I just realized that to maybe sees I on it, you know, up close and personal for that final four that everybody's expecting to great next few weeks. Jim I look forward to it as always it's all good fun. I mean, you go from the Super Bowl. So the Pebble Beach Pro-Am, and it's all the blessing. I don't take lightly. Granted be with you, my friend. Thanks again. You take care. You bet. That's gymnasts ready on the rich Eisen show. Calling it a friend. Good, man. Awesome stuff. And then he goes to Augusta and then they moved the PGA. PJ's and you're right. Yeah. Yeah. All good, man. Look there's one thing about last night. I didn't really get into it with him. And we really haven't gotten here that I think played a large role in the fourth quarter. And I'll hit that next. Nice. How about that all done here on the rich Eisen show? Every car comes with its share of stories that dang in your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package, you got after a big promotion or the mileage you save by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch. How your car's details? Pop up then answer a few questions navigation and moon roof watches, they bump up your value. High mileage you already knew it was gonna cost you. But now, you know how much danger while it's you can plan ahead. Once you're finished. 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He's got his many championships as curly Lambeau and George Halas. One fewer than Casey Stangl. Joe McCarthy Yankee legends tobe lake had eight no idea that it's all look it up brother. Scotty Bowman and Red Auerbach have nine. And of course, Phil Jackson's eleven rings are the most. Bill. Check is eleven more playoff wins than any of the coach history the longtime Canadian. Yeah. Bella check is eleven more playoff wins in the coach in NFL history. The second closest they were the closest this second list is not going to get any closer. It's Tom Landry. I mean think about it and Brady would be the obvious choice as well as an MVP. But I'm going to go deeper because that's what we do here on the rich Eisen show, and certainly on behalf of Capital One Sony. Michelle is the best live player of the week Sony. Michelle again. Played in the Rose Bowl. And then if I'm not mistaken scored the game winner in the Rose Bowl to send Baker Mayfield to the professional ranks. And then looked to be set to win a national championship. Only have to toggle vilo come out of the mist and beat him in Atlanta. In Atlanta with his whole family. No doubt there in that building for the national champ. And then he returns less than thirteen months later and scores the only touchdown of Super Bowl fifty three after having three hundred thirty six yards six touchdowns in his three playoff games. And I will tell you this. We could talk about offensive line and defense and schemes at cetera et cetera. The one that's going to keep Brady going along. Is that kid? As long as he can run for a hundred yards. Seventy five yards. Be the threat. He's got long homerun long run ability pecan move the chains. He can come out of the backfield. He can pass protect. And they won't run him into the ground. Also because you know, they have. Three other people running the ball. And I mean, Cordell Patterson being one of six different ball carriers last night. 'cause Brady technically Brady technically was a runner. It's when he took a knee. Which is you know, every single time. He takes a knee during the regular ferry. Make sure it wasn't a loss of yard because he wants his thousand yards and his professional career. Rushing. Sony. Michelle man rushed for more yards and touchdowns this postseason than any other patriots running back in the Bella check era. Third rookie running back in the Super Bowl era have one or more rushing touchdowns in three or more playoff games, the others Jamal Lewis in two thousand and Tony Dorsett hall of Famer all three of those players Michelle Jamal Lewis and Tony Dorsett. What do they have in common? They won the Super Bowl and their rookies. Wow. Brought to you by Capital One their new banks are inviting places where you'll be welcome with people who were there to help you. It's a Capital One. Cafe you're not going to be trod and have somebody come up to try and sell you something it's not typical. It's all part of banking reimagined from Capital One. So what's in your wallet? Let's go to John in Boston, Massachusetts, John. You're you're on the program. Congratulations to your is soon being there in Boston that you are very thrilled. This morning. Thanks for the call actually not a patriots fan. Although I no longer have any problem recognizing Brady and ballot. Check as the best at what they do. So there's that I did want to call and talk about the be only interesting thing for me from the game with it being. So low scoring was what happened after I don't know what happened with the audio from CBS that they left it on while they're trying to get Grady, pretty onfield interview. But that whole scrum. Like, I'm pretty sure Bella check like was trying to like put us push people away like unto gotta big you most fell down like Brady was concerned about everyone else. They're like what is going on with the NFL that they allow every single game. But obviously last night. It was just because the audio is on was really noticeable like how is that possibly? Allowed that they could just like swarm these guys in the middle of the field. They can't give a foot of Brad, John. I don't I don't know. It's been a while since I've thank you for the call. It has been a while since I've been part of the post game. If you will scrum at long while that's not supposed to really happen. And I do want to say this is a preface I wanna thank all the hard working women and men of federal state and local law enforcement and the private security folks who kept us safe. I think you guys over there saw a heightened security presence, no doubt that we've never seen before Super Bowl. So maybe they knew something maybe they just were extra abundance of caution. Maybe it was because there was the government shutdown that ended a week before that maybe they had all of this plan. Just in case. The government was still shut down the week of the Super Bowl. I don't know what it was. But there were bomb sniffing dogs everywhere. Where I mean everywhere. And there was a law enforcement official everywhere there were people with very visible high powered equipment in their arms on street corners everywhere. So I wanna thank that. In terms of what happened there it did look to be from what I saw afterwards dangerous. I know there's not you're not supposed to correct me if I'm wrong del tufo, when you're out there sets of bad vests, what they do is you have the vest the field people, then they give set of badges that going first, so it's like, Tracy Wolfson and the people like that, right? Then a second wave comes in. Then there's a third way where they let they hold seemed like everybody on that one. I was nuts when our first Super Bowl that we did our post game show ourselves. I we covered the one where Nance was the he was the pre game show host. And also the chosen member of the CBS team to give out the trophy. That was when Greg Gumbel was calling the games for CBS. Yup. Nance? Out that trophy was our first Super Bowl the NFL. Not recovered patriots. And panthers. We didn't do the post game show ourselves. Everybody went straight to Hawaii to get ready for the Pro Bowl. I stayed behind. You went to Hawaii up the set the bright. So I stayed behind with Salma Wilcox and CARA Henderson. And we did our post game show where she was interviewing as many people. She could. And I was the I was the host and Solomon was the the analyst, and we did the through the NFL films international feed truck breeze. My bring all of this up is the next year with the year that we did it ourselves. There was a truck that stayed behind and our executive producer at the time. Eric Weinberger went out on the field with me to make sure that everything was set up like we we were all banning together. And we were told before we had to set. Our director's chairs ourselves going to say the end zone endzone. Right. We were told that we were not allowed to step on the field. I we did not have the proper credentials to step on the field. I that there is people who had to get on the field. I to do their jobs, and then a few minutes later, we would get the high sign from security to get on. On the field. So first crack at it. We weren't gonna screw this up. Photographer to our left. Also, did not have the credential or vest color vest on the field. I he went out anyway and got within two steps of stepping into the end zone thrown down by security. Hob tied. Bought with his arms behind his back with like a plastic band cursed at by the members of security for doing this and pulled off the field. Whoa. Eric, and I looked at each other and said that like, whoa. To each other a minute later, we got the high sign we looked at these security member who looked at us said go ahead. We're like, okay. Then. And put our chairs out there. So I don't know what happened last night or am. I assuming that it was something it was it was screwed up. I just don't know if it's so many people, but I'm sure the league will look at that. I've been in it a couple times I went out twice. And it was in New Jersey. I went in Seahawks. And it was it's mass chaos. This crazy everybody wants to get the interviews with everybody. I mean paid a nice chunk of change. You got that interview exactly trace his deep and Robert Kraft is trying to get through to hug Tom Brady. What you should let them do their thing. I of course. Yes. Huge moment for them. I remember when Susie did the she did the sideline of Michigan versus Michigan state that went into several overtimes. Drew drew Stanton was the quarterback for Michigan state at the time. And she went Braila Edwards won the game. She went in to the on the field tannery. Railing, and it was a rare instance of Michigan stadium stands emptying. I thought it was never going to see my wife again. But she loved it. I bet you Tracy would tell you today that you know, times it might be. Frightening but Susie loved it. Like, she I mean seventy thousand people around you and. Energy. But they're not anywhere. You want to get hurt? Yeah. I honestly thought I'd never see Susie. Bill throwing people out. One thing. I do want to say that definitely to me tweeted about it at the time that that that was a big difference maker for last night. Was the crowd noise in the fourth quarter. I don't know if you could tell on the at home. Not really okay now when Brady had the ball. It was dead, quiet. When Gough had the ball. It was in sane and you had to go through all the silence snap signals. It was a row game for the Rams. It was a road game. We saw throughout the week the number of. Yeah. Patriot fans it was ninety cent. And and then game day. It was as you know. Arthur blank was our guest a week ago. Today was talking about how they were going to open the gates two hours earlier than normal. They did normally we don't do a show for our pregame show with fans in the stands until the very end. There were there from for like the last half of our show that's cool which ended literally just two minutes ago, by the way, I love making those jokes. And the prices of the food is people were having great and the stadiums. Oh my gosh. Beautiful beautiful beautiful. Look great on lines. A great way that opens and closes that ring the video ring just spectacular. It was really sight to. Yeah. But you know, I looked up in the stands, and it was all patriots in the two sections in front of like, probably grand total. Five hundred people. I honestly didn't see a single Rams jersey and Jack Android our researcher for NFL game morning. Got in my ear. And he's like, I'm seeing more Brady Michigan jerseys than Rams jerseys. Wow. Rams fans were there. I mean, I'm not saying that nobody there are some. But look it's not Saint Louis fans aren't coming. Okay. They're not coming in the same way that saints fans weren't watching Saint Louis fans weren't common loss Angeles fans. Okay. Are just still renewing their connection, and this year is a huge step forward in that as you know with the fires here in the way that the Rams and was part of that community and helping not only heal wounds, but also help people get through everything because many members of the Rams organization they were part of it. There were going through a to the fires. And there was the shooting. That was in folks. The Rams have become a much woven into the fabric of Los Angeles over this past year. So they've made strides, but I don't think anybody from Los Angeles. Even though it was raining cats and dogs all week was going. Go after looking in Atlanta. Okay. It's going to be forty degrees. There all week. What have you? I'm flying. I'm flying in for team. That is finally getting good. I'm just thinking about it. And I don't think I'm a demonstrating. They're not real fans, but the patriots God bless you. With these fans they turned out. Okay. God bless you. The fans of the of the of the Boston area and the New England area and the patriots. There's no fatigue. There's no taking it for granted. It's unbelievable. And and like, I said bless you. You are part of the greatest dynasty. That we have seen in the modern era. Okay. I know the Celtics won all those the Yankees won in in you know, in the fifties. But notice craft making the point when he had grabbed the microphone from Janet took it right away. If I six championships in eighteen years, that's once every three years, it's absurd in a sport. That has set up a system where you're not supposed to do that. Correct. Absolutely. So they showed and it was it absolutely mattered in the fourth quarter Brady moving down the field. It's gronk for that past gronk for for everything that he was doing move down to feel what the runs he's step into the line making the calls. It's quiet. I heard him. Pre snap from my seat. And the Rams get to the line and is screaming at his linemen. And they're doing that whole, you know, he's clapping his hands. And the. Moving arm out returning around snap counts in the Super Bowl that happened last night. I saw I I heard it and it had to make a difference. It had to. Eight four four two four riches the number to dial. We'll take a call and set up the rest of the week and come back with the latest on what's going on with Anthony Davis. And when we say it looks it looks like the Boston run. Victories is over. On the Anthony Davis front. That's next on the rich Eisen show. Everybody's got it to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything? All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Extra money in your pocket. Of course, this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors. And all of you. Great listeners for supporting this podcast. Certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. And I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast one dot com. Clicking on the support this podcast button. And there you'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing. And of course, supporting now back to the show. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of eighty news headlines right after this podcast. Coach same Lindau. Well, this place is I'd rather be on Super Bowl Sunday. Jerry. The sun will come out to Malraux bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow. They'll be son Warren Sapp next just thinking about. Please away the cobwebs and saw roles is the first ever NFL network commercial SuperBowl. This is like an F time, right? Take it down after that NFL one hundred one one the night that commercial we were so excited for remember. 'cause it was again, we were eleven weeks old. We covered our first Super Bowl, and we were getting. Airtime during the Super Bowl to promote the NFL network from the NFL, and that concept is Jerry Jones and parcels and all the stars of the day warrant sat singing tomorrow. Because tomorrow the next day after the Super Bowl was the beginning of the off season. And the NFL network is the season that ever ends. So we'll see tomorrow, everyone's Owen a brilliant campaign. Judy fearing was in charge of our campaign. She nailed it was amazing. We were so excited. I got to a television set in energy stadium. To watch it just to see the logo of the NFL network eleven weeks old on the screen. And I'm standing by the television, and I no one it's going to be on its right after the halftime show is over. So we're going to get a huge audience. Halftime shows over here comes the commercial. And right before the commercial airs, Justin Timberlake reaches for Janet's, Jack, Janet Jackson. And nobody saw the commercial. Because everyone's talking about JT reach in for Jim Jackson. Wow. Yeah. The most by the way, if I'm not mistaken at the time most rewound DVR moment in the history of DVR's, which apparently was a metric at the time. You know? That happen dont boy is getting my right now is that true. Because I didn't read this because I was on a flight home Janet Jackson's fans are upset Adam LeVine took his shirt. Oh, yeah. There was some there was some Twitter, you know, God Lippo eight. Yeah. Surge. Oh my gosh. I missed that. Because you know, I flew home last night, right? By the way, you're gonna love this. I think I'm on the pardon. My take comes out today tomorrow, and you know, big cat made a lot of fun of me about me complaining about my travel woes on Twitter right pointed out to him. It's been a long time since they have. But the last reason he's bringing it up right now is because just a couple of weeks ago. And I went to shoot something when I got into the chair for a couple of days. My flight got cancelled because somebody as I told you on the show got violently sick in the last row of the plane on the flight in. And we had to get off the plane because it was couldn't be cleaned up. And I never heard of environmental specialist being called in as the pilot said over the speaker system. Why do I bring this up? My flight to get here. Three twenty five AM. I guess it was added. But an airline that runs with Schneider. Okay. I guess it was added because the Rams made the Super Bowl to get more flights from Los Angeles right from Atlanta in Los Angeles. So perfect. I'm gonna three twenty five AM flight means I can get here to answer the bell for the post Super Bowl show. Amazing. Thank you again on the plane, and I'm passing out. Okay. I am passing out. I did eight and a half or what my son pregame, I'm passing out. And all of a sudden I hear on the loudspeaker system. For those of you wondering why we haven't pushed back yet, somebody boarded the plane sat in the last row and got violently sit. No ahead again. No way I thought because again. My day was not yesterday. And it's a three twenty five AM flight. I thought I was dreaming. And then I'm hearing it it's gonna take a while to clean up. And then I thought big cat was on the plane and paying off to do this. Literally thought this all then I'm thinking why is he going loss Angeles? Right. Right. Right. You're not thinking straight at the end of a long three in the morning for crying out loud who flies at three in the morning. Sure enough. I think somebody got hammered at the Super Bowl got on the plane couldn't control themselves yet in the back. My plane was delayed forty five minutes. I literally had to get up and say to the pilot where we are leaving. Right. Like, we're not 'cause this happened to me two weeks ago. It never happened before. And it's happening for the second time. But for the first time I've ever taken a flight at three twenty five in the morning. Wow. You made it almost tweeted about it. I didn't do it. And the reason why is because I'm not only a professional host. I'm a professional guest, and it would have dated the conversation. That's coming up for pardon. My take. That's why that I thought. So you're welcome. But can you believe that next and another thing here, I'm on a roll here? Oh, I got to the airport. Okay. And there's patriots fans everywhere. Okay. Patriots fans everywhere there too. And there was dude sitting there in Aaron Hernandez jersey a gradient aboard girls at my bar. And I'm thinking do I go up to this guy and say and say what? Is happening here. Do you not understand that wearing jersey means you're representing something or town? And I saw this guy was so out of it. And tattered up. I didn't go over. I thought better of it. Yeah. Who goes in with our Hernandez jersey. I've seen them around. Whatever I go to games either Red Sox Celtic I've seen them. I think these guys think it's funny which far from funny, correct? Aaron in Atlanta, Georgia you've got the less word. Great spot. We had a great time in your town. Aaron. Hi, thanks so much. I am. Thank you for mentioning. How many patriots patriots fans were in the stands? I am number one patriot fan. I'm a several in Boston sports fan. I grew up in a New England family never actually lived in New England because I'm rink with brought but tried and true New England sports fan. I just want to say that. Not only are patriot fans fans when we are winning. But we are also patriots fans when we are really really bad. We're not fair weather fans. And I just want everyone to know that really really bad. Aaron can you let me know when that's going to happen again. I don't know. Idea. This is the most exciting thing ever to happen migrants fathers died right before the first Super Bowl win. And he is now looking down on this probably ecstatic is all get out. And it's he was there with them when we just really sucked. Were there? Erin, thankfully, call. Thanks for the call and thank you for sharing. Congratulations. That's Aaron in Atlanta. I did run. It a great last story this show, Adam Schefter is on tomorrow show as the actor Gary Sinise. Lieutenant Dan amazing will be here. He's got a new book out of we have some ice cream or and we're we're we're we're still working on our guest list for tomorrow went to a restaurant Saturday night. Great spot in Atlanta called one eared stag. It's it was awesome. Okay. To look like the the guy behind the bar. Excellent mixologist telling me about how he's a diehard falcons fan. And I'm like so are you going to go to the game? You're big football. Are you going to go to the game? He said, no if the falcons had made it I would have or if the saints would have made it oughta Ganges to keep the saints fan out. One one extra saints fan out of the stadium. And they hate they do sage. Anyway, walking around like, yeah. The saints kinda got screwed out of it. They're like good. I love that level of. Hey, sports, say sure down deep down your Boston sports fan having. That's what you find. You're not happy unless you're unhappy. That's right. But you happy today, aren't you? I'll be happy tomorrow parade, and I got off on such tangent. We even talk about how says Anthony Davis has a whole bunch of teams he'd be willing to be traded to. But not the Celtics. The bucks are on that list. The clippers. What are we doing? We'll talk about it. Funny. Don't you? He said he deleted his Twitter. But he's doing the right thing on the way out the door. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack here podcast one? Yeah. We talk basketball. But we're a lot more than just sports Magoo's for this lady. Choose seven it's knew everything about me, everything sports and less than she says. I love your podcast and. But I hate that job. Listen free to the big podcast with shack exclusively on apple podcasts, podcast, one dot com and the podcast one app. If you love the show share it with a friend, leave us a rating and review. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event chest of drawers is this storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch rom com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window where you hurt. I just gotta scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the geiko insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Coke gyco to see how a forcible homeowners insurance can be. 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REShow: Harold Reynolds. Hour 2 (01-22-20)

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REShow: Harold Reynolds. Hour 2 (01-22-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on Apple podcasts and podcast wind. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. I wanted to remind you that you can support. My sponsors is by going to my show page at podcast. One DOT COM clicking on the support this podcast button and there. You'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing of course supporting now back to the show. Hey everybody findings rich Eisen. It's our number are two and the mets have new manager. His name is Louis Ross and I had to look him up. I'M NOT GONNA lie. You shoot straight here. He Used A. I'm wikipedia him and it says his dad is fully Paige Lou. He's a Dominican professional baseball coach. He's currently the quality control coach for the New York. Mets the the mets decided to stay in house and they went with the quality control coach. I mean his week Pedia page. He's the son Philippe Baylor the brother sure of Noisy Solo Thirty eight. He's thirty eight. He managed the Gulf Coast League. Mets in Two Thousand Eleven Savannah from Twenty Twelve through twenty fourteen. The manager of the Saint Lucie Mets Twenty fifteen and he managed the Binghamton Rumble ponies. How about them apples everybody now? He's big apple in two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen. They named him to their Ma- major league staff as the quality control coach. Wow these can get thrown into the deep end of the pool. Wow that's wow what you think. Teach Jefferson Rich Eisen. Show social media the What are we calling you the grand maistre? Now you want to be known as the Grand Mesa richeisenshow social media the odd met Clipper sixer cowboy royal hydrate hybrid from Pennsylvania from Pennsylvania by way of Southern California WanNa you WanNa do you WanNa give us your first blush thoughts on on. Did you have to look him up to do. I knew who he was rich. Okay Okay you you know. The funny thing is I really liked the higher simply for the fact that you know he's got a lot of young Latin ballplayers and yeah. I kind of feel like in order to really be able to communicate and engage those guys. I'd like that higher. I like the Beltran higher as a way of just being able to make you know make everyone feel more comfortable being able to communicate with okay with your team without having to use interpreters and okay. I'm forty I mean. Look let's give it a shot gentleman. What else what else can we? Can we lose the two thousand and twenty minutes. What else can we let me get Peter Lonzo? So you gotTa Pete Alonzo no no they gotta look. The mets have very talented team. That was in the playoff hunt wild card as we all know what the nationals did with that right last year nationals won the division and we all know what they were able to do in the NFC east right so he's an analytics guy we're learning we're learning he's an analytics guy. Don Buoy is a according coordinating producer. He's managed five of seasons in the Dominican Summer League in window. Hey Look I'll tell you what. He was. A coach in the Dominican. Summer League mets. He was also a manager in the in the Winter League. We'll see he's got a very talented team at his disposal. Write their share. Does and the general manager of the mets. I mean with a new owner Steve Cohen. Looking down looking at everything. That's big higher man. How Reynolds is going to join US shortly? Talk About Derek. jeter not being unanimous Larry Walker get men. He's got both on on his show tonight and then maybe he can tell us more about Louis. Row House your new manager of the New York mets met strike. I there you go. What should the other teams do he is? I mean Houston's got to go with Somebody who's done it before right the red sox. I don't know your they should go like varitek right. Yeah you know I've been thinking about my initial reaction was yes. I verified. Could be awesome. Dustin pedroia transitioning from player to a manager would be awesome but then someone brought up a good point like tech is one of the all time greats. Both these guys were captains to have like your idea of him ruined. If he's not a good manager all would kinda would. I don't know that'd be kind of a bummer. To like a great player stunk as a manager. Get them out of town to have them be fired. Managers are hired to be fired and have to fire. Jason Varitek as manager Roy. Now if you're if he's the right guy for the job and do I mean look David Ross could run for mayor in Chicago. Now he's GonNa go there and be the the cubs manager. That's the way to go. I like the cubs are winning. Eighty Games now. Then you've got a fire your hero. Yeah that's right. Yeah I don't know I don't know if I want staffer tech John Farrell back. You didn't want him to go right and want him fired. Didn't deserve it so again. Howard is GONNA join US coming up shortly here on the show Okay I got Storylines I've got a story lines for the two thousand and twenty version of the Super Bowl that the NFL one hundred campaign is all said. And done I do this every year. My job is host of this show we. It will be live in Miami next week. We'll tell you in a second how you can join us and Every year as the host of this show and also NFL network's works coverage for so many years now Game Day morning on Super Bowl Sunday. Eight and a half hours worth baby eight and a half hours worth of this. Great Great Program I pretty much know storylines when I see it and I pretty much know the way that the media works in the way that media looks for stories and so I'm going to give you the top ten storylines for Super Bowl. Fifty four is I see them and how by the time everything kicks kicks off. We'll see if I'm right but I think I will be Mike del Tufo. Do you have music for this place. Of course okay. Here we go Mike Del Tufo. Thanks so much okay. Number ten the Number ten story line is the city of Miami usually focus on the city itself It is the latest iteration of the Super Bowl in Miami we. The last time it happened was ten years ago the saints and the colts that was a dynamic game. It's been ten years. It's it's been back hardrock. Stadium is now going to be on display for the whole world to see we might touch a little bit on the Miami Dolphins. But you're also going to be talking. Oh Nice done you're also talking about super bowl three being the first one and we can go down memory lane. It's Joe Nemeth was famed. Guaranteed we putting the photograph of him being poolside before that one in the Orange Bowl. All that's by the way on the left side of your screen for all those who are watching on television. That's Brent Musburger. Sitting poolside into one of the many members of the media obeys hearing Nemeth without a shirt on hold hold court and guarantee a win for the jets. The reason why also bring this up is this will be brought up because it was the very next year the chiefs went to their only super bowl. Oh and want it here. We are fifty years later. In the city of Miami that storyline number and story line number nine for Super Bowl fifty four. Put it up on the screen. If if you don't mind for our television Joe Montana connection. Yes Joe Montana played for both teams. Right Joe. Montana will be interesting interview Joe. Montana's already tweeted out something. Like over one hundred seventy thousand times on his twitter account his uniform for game warned of the niners and the chiefs up on the wall set. You heard from me. I I guarantee my team will win the Super Bowl a little bit more on Joe Montana later on number eight McCowan. John Lynch is big adventure his big weekend. John Lynch the general manager of the San Francisco Forty niners has helped put what this team in Super Bowl with some of his choices shopping for the groceries on Saturday of Super Bowl weekend. It's entirely possible and I hope we do hear his name called finally for the pro football hall of fame and many can the next day. Join John Elway. Join Ozzie. Newsome as pro football hall of Famers to have one ring as a grocery shopper and also join elway in terms of winning show for yourself as a player you imagine and all that together for Lynch John Lynch is big adventure. That's going to be some big talked about for. That certainly wants the weekend. Hits number seven on your hitlist every year. GO-TO guy for interviews. His press conferences. A must see everybody's going to be around this guy's podium because he can talk about more than just football all and give you tons of soundbites because he speaks his mind. He only knows one speed when he's at the podium. And when there's a microphone in front of him he's a man of many many many eh facets he can talk about the collective bargaining agreement he could talk about growing up in Compton and going to Stanford and getting to the Super Bowl. His name name is Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman time. Everybody get ready for him. Certainly of Durrell Rivas keeps calling them out and then by the time. It's his third and final media. Valerie val ability for the week on Thursday and he's sitting there to podium and he's done talking about also what happened the last time with super bowl the marshawn lynch stuff is GonNa be he coming up again all of it. It's Richard Sherman time number six more players more players groups out who's best tight end in the league right now. It's the George Kendall Travis Kelsey show everybody you will see so much of these dynamic tight ends. Were the best at the position. It'll be the battle for WHO's the best of the position and both of them are just stellar personalities. So likable so much like the guy you went to college college with and the guy you grew up with the guy that you want to share a beer with its the George cadle Travis Kelsey show for Super Bowl fifty four. That's the ten through six. Now here's your top five everybody number five on your hitlist. Who is Jimmy G.? Now who is Jimmy Garoppolo. Yes because rosiest and for a ton of casual sports fans they're going to get introduced to this kid from the middle of the country who went to Eastern Illinois and got drafted drafted second overall in this a second round draft. Pick in this league and the whole Jimmy Garoppolo story. We're GONNA his parents. We're going to meet him and people we're GONNA fall in love with him and he's a handsome guy and who is Jimmy G.. Who is the Jimmy? Garoppolo story is number five. which leads to yes number four? What's going to happen with Tom? Brady and the Patriots because the Patriots aren't in this game and the reason why the Patriots aren't in this game is because of Tom Brady. And what's going on with the Patriots and the reason why Jimmy is in. This game is because they patriots stuck with Tom Brady or brady insisted that Jimmy Garoppolo go and how does that all play into what's going on with him and craft and Bella check right now. How and yes joe? Montana's names could be brought up and Montana was Brady's idle I mean there's so much connective tissue. That's GonNa Bring Patriots two of the four just when you think you're done with them not on how Jimmy Jesus in the Super Bowl and to the Patriots. Wish they still had them. Is Bell check upset at that. He doesn't have somebody like Jimmy. G. and where's Tom Brady GonNa go. It's common get ready for it. I think you're right about number three three all the homes all the time and I will right now tell you I will be leading that charge. I will be guilty as charged. Yeah because this guy has the opportunity cop branch set on Good Morning Football. I think it was him who said that if he wins game. He's the face of American sports. Okay Oh okay. That's a lot but this kid what he's able to do what he's been able to do. We as football fans have all seen it. The casual sports fan is it's going to surf in and see him. Maybe play for the first time or any. They're going to. Who is this guy? Because I don't see a guy who normally plays like this and all of us who normally sees what quarterbacks look like the Super Bowl if he comes up with a Kurt Warner type game four hundred yards passing if he winds up from four hundred yards against this defense he has the opportunity to grab the entire. NFL world by the horns. I know that there's a San Francisco team that is very stout to prevent it. It's IT'S A. It's a launching pad possibility posssibility for this kid to make his world his football world in which we are all paying rent and I'm I'm I'm all lean on it so I'm guilty already as charged number two. These next two are interchangeable. They're interchangeable but I'M GONNA put number two on this list because again it's the super bowl for the sports programs. Andy Reid Andy Reid. All these missing is this. He he went once. It's been years since he's been there he's now back. Can he win the Big One. Big Red can big red win the big one. Wearing red four franchise four city. That's been waiting five decades for this moment. Tanny it is this the guy is mahomes. The guy for him will go down memory lane about what happened with Philadelphia. You will learn more about his personal life. What did happen to his son? That side of the human interest will develop that might a caused ause the casual sports fans. Watch morning news. Shows to learn more about Andy Reid. At some point it's anti rain and then that leads leads to the number one story line of Super Bowl fifty. Four the Shanahan's hanging with the Shanahan's Kyle Shanahan son of two time on superbowl winner. Mike Shanahan the only father son combination to ever coach teams in the Super Bowl as head coaches. Mike handed his son the Halas trophy. It was a very emotional moment. We've seen Mike Win it twice. We're going to see kyle. Now try and win it once. It's all going to be about the family family of fair and again the casual sports fan. That's going to read about the Super Bowl and learn about the story lines through places like the today show and those types of programs hands will hear about the Shanahan's and the family affair that San Francisco hopes will lead to the same result as it did for Denver all those years ago. What Mike teach what is learning from Mike? What does mom think about all this? So those are those. Are Your top ten storylines. Chris what do you think right over there. I I walk this one of my favorite segments. That you do each year before the Super Bowl. I'm not so much interested in the Shanahan's per se. I'm all about the story line. I love that I love the Jimmy G. Stuff and I really think Travis Kelsey George kittle are gonNA come out where they're gonNA be superstars. Whichever team wins the game their prime for the all the commercials next year there are prime for mega endorsements? They're going to be household. Names and faces is in America. Whoever wins and I'm super excited for both those guys and you know we're going to get really bored and it's GonNa be like what about the Patriots? I think so I mean just think about it. It's they weren't in the championship game in nine years. They've been to for the last six guy that they traded away. Could they could win. Those last couple with Brady right is now in the Super Bowl and what about Brady and the Patriots Future Do. They have traders remorse despite having the goat win a couple more times and one more thing Jimmy G. if he happens to win this game is third ring. That's more than Eli and Peyton Law. It doesn't count eight four four zero four rich number. Two Don. How Reynolds will be joining us? The mets of name the new manager that is news to a lot of people. Louis Row Haas the new manager of the New York mets. Wow and of of course derek. JETER got into the hall of fame one shy being unanimous. That's all coming up next on the rich Eisen show. What's up? Brian Deegan here. I'm excited to bring and you are podcast. The DEGAN that will be every Wednesday on podcast one and apple podcast. We'll be covering many subjects such as racing family family. Stay together. How he thrive is a family? So I think it's exciting. We're GONNA cover all those subjects and many more check out our new podcast against airing every Wednesday on podcast one and on Apple podcasts. Don't forget to subscribe rate and review. We interrupt the Derrick jeter celebration into the hall of fame in New York City for the introduction of the very first manager of a New York sports team to also have once upon a time managed the Binghamton rumble. PONIES L zero. Can you look that up to make sure that that is an accurate statement. That there hasn't like did Casey stangl dangle ever managed the Binghamton rumble ponies. Watch Louis Ross is GONNA win world series plural. The mets have a really a good team Do they just named him. The newest manager of the mets to discuss all those subjects and so much more as a guy who's GonNa have both Derek jeter and Larry Walker on on MLB network studio forty two on MLB tonight live at five thirty PM eastern time he is Howard Reynolds. How're you? Hr read some good man. How you doing? I'm doing you and find better talking to you right now. So let's get into. I had Cup Louis. Ross I'm being very honest with you. I'm not very well aware of WHO quality control. All coaches are despite their potential Famous family lineage. But I I give you the floor on what you think of the mets higher well first of all as Philippi I lose son so the great managers one of his sons. That's his made his mother's name so when police came to America grab the aluminum. Actually Felipe a row house a Lou and so the young guys stay would row house. But he's worked. His way through the minor are league with the mets he knows basically the whole roster. He's a man is some coastal. I've heard nothing but great things about him as far as being a field general and understand the game of baseball squawk so they're excited about it. I've been hearing this for about a week. I had to figure out who he was. Myself and ground away comes from so I mean There's a media aspect of this too and and I'm hoping he's he's ready for that. Also because is this is. This is the deep end of baseball pool manager of New York Metropolitan. Certainly after Carlos. Beltran didn't even manage a game. Harold I mean. Is there any sense on how we might handle that. Yeah he he's He's very well very articulate. Speak English quite well. Obviously fluid Spanish But he's handled the media before and they just feel like the pedigree had grown up in that family around his dad fully pay and spend time there but he's he's been through a lot. I think the big thing though They stayed within the organization and they felt like that opportunities for other ways and he just was a guy that stood out for a long time when they went through the process not too long ago to hire Beltran in the first place he was one of the guys that they had considered and They were going to try to bring him along a little bit slower in the organization but obviously once Beltran was not able to handle the the rains anymore they felt like it was just best to go ahead and keep keep the continental going and they felt like this kid was reading. I guess so I mean there's a baby step man and especially with the firestorm that he's coming in and you know having to deal with New York is a lot different than say Seattle. No offense but I played there long enough. Of course there's a lot more media the scrutiny in New York and he's got to answer some questions and we'll see how it gets to that place at least you know. He is totally removed from anything. Anything that that had anything to do with the astros in two thousand seventeen or anything with with any of this. I mean he just came into the major leagues is the quality control coach just last season so he and he's in house he's one of their own and look. I mean you could look around so many sports where let's go for the Guy Who It was the young guy who's got a lot on the ball whose sharp who can communicate with anybody in our locker room or clubhouse when it comes to baseball and before or somebody snaps him up when he supposedly quote unquote ready? Let's let's get them right now. I mean that that might be the scenario that the METCHA thicket of here. HR The one thing and that gives it a little bit of PAS is the mets are built to win right now. You know. This isn't right along with our new manager and we'll figure it out two or three years the grounds uh-huh ready You gotTA figure out what you're going to send a guard. This team is built to jump into and what looks like right now for me. The Best Division in Baseball is the National League East. I'm is a feast. So he's got to be ready and he's got club. That's that's GonNa be demanding wins. This is not going to be a repeal that new. You're so it's a different scenario so you think the analyst Yeah because Girardi is now with the Phillies we all know that the defending world series champions are are are in that division. You've got the mets clearly in braves. and how terrific a season. They had until their disaster in the playoffs. I mean you're you're you're right there I mean what do you think The Astros and the Red Sox are GonNa do with their vacancies That is still. It'd be determined. I know the red sox that will start the socks. I don't know where they're going I'm feeling like with with High in bloom. The new general manager He's GonNa go with somebody. He knows Any he's trying to get the Guy I've heard from Tampa. That was the bench coach. But I I don't know it's gotta be somebody he's very with. It's different scenario than it is with. Houston I 'cause he's gotTa build a whole new culture and You're looking at the red sox really starting to turn things over a little bit more sacred metrically with kind there And so I think he's gotta look for more sabermetrics minded manager Alex. Cora was familiar with the numbers. Use them occasionally but he was more of a gun. He was more old school and he had a lot more control. Cole over that organization most managers now offices and sending down lineups. They're helping order direct. HOW Games Iran? So I think you're got to see a lot more hands on in Boston in Houston toll different scenario you know. They're in the fire right now because they had their. They're they're a manager. And all the things that commissioner brought down on them I think they've got to go with an experience that and I to me I think buck showalter is the perfect perfect fit you know. Do you ban from from New York rich when George Steinbrenner got suspended from baseball buck with the manager. A lot of these different things are happening. Steve How got suspended. All those times was a manager. You know he's been through the storm. He's built organizations Jason. I I think he's the perfect that organization right now but what they need. Yeah because certainly a higher there the higher there more than you know. Obviously we're still waiting to hear from the Commissioner Michener how Reynolds here from MLB network. The rich are we still waiting to hear from the Commissioner. On what what what the two thousand eighteen red sox either opt to or not The hiring hiring Houston is so important. I mean so important. Where we just gotTa figure we gotta get rid of all the trash cans and all the Thera- guns and all whatever that might have been going on there in two thousand seventeen eighteen and whatever the the mindset that that these no other way to put it metastasized in two thousand seventeen that other teams might have employed in two thousand eighteen eighteen or not that that whatever went there needs to be wiped clean and then come up with a scenario where we're all the players? Say say something other than what Bregman said about you. Know he kind of pulled him Maguire out here to talk about the past. It's Fan Fest Two vase saying I didn't wear any buzzers or anything like that but everything else I'm not ready to talk about You've got to come up with a plan in Houston from the manager to what the players are saying to get this thing in a different direction herald. What goes totally agree that you know what they did? It fantastic is not gonna work and that was ill. Advised is on the WHO was advised them at that time but they got to come clean or it's GonNa Linger forever on the rest of their resume as a team. Everything moving forward so they gotta have that address when they get spring training. But it's a different scenario in Houston in my mind because you got rid of the general manager and the manager you you know. They don't have a general manager. And so I know the owner and that they've built their with their new systems of filling like they were very saver metric in their scouting department and player development. And everything's very reliant on that you want to have somebody that doesn't upset at Albuquerque. Because they really do have great players So that's a whole different thing that to me. That's that's why you gotTa have that guy that sits in front of the media that manager after every game. And he's is credible and that's why I think buck. So alters the guy how Reynolds here on the rich Eisen show okay. You're going to have jeeter an Larry Walker later on today at five thirty past time. Cool Man I was talking about. I was talking about earlier. This speeches in the meadow in Cooperstown this summer. You're going to have somebody like in a way corporate America with Jeeter and and then you're gonNA have Larry Walker showing up and I knew spongebob shirt. Maybe you know you're you're you gotta contrast in this class right here Harold. That's GONNA be blast. Well that's what's cool about it plus you know I mean all in New York going It's going to be amazing. It will be the largest crown in in cooperstown percents history. I know that they have some great crowds of Mariano with with ripken in Gwen at the same time. But you know Derek jeter Is Everything the thing from New York and Beyond and Larry Walker from Canada. And so you'RE GONNA have lost folks coming down from nearby Canada and Montreal and whatnot. Come down as well well so it's gotta be enormous crowd And it's going to be a fun time. Do we know who the individual that did not vote for Jeeter as a hall of Famer. Do we know who that person is. How haven't heard yet but I'm sure her they are searching for him all over the place him or her I so that They voted because they just felt like he wasn't qualified to be a hall of Famer. Okay that's your opinion. That's do you WanNa say but I sure hope it's not a publicity blissett stunt and it will be flushed out in due time and and that will be A conversation to be had but I I want an individual and I love love to hear what they were thinking. Yeah the only one that that my prediction is. You're going to hear. Well ripken didn't go in all these others didn't go in as unanimous animus at the shortstop position. I didn't feel that Geeta was better than them so I couldn't vote for for Jeeter and to me. That just makes no sense. I mean everybody should be in in its own world in its own time and its own place judged on whether the is the person worthy of the hall of fame or not and I know it took the Walker all the way to the very end of his eligiblity to finally get that consensus but Somebody like jeeter. There's just I mean you can't tell the story of the Yankees can't tell the story of that part of the century injury without without him. I mean it's not I I hear you and you know we all love for Jack and Watson. COMPLA- really wants to grow up. We spent time together covering from ninety six on You Know Fall in love with that corps for and the Yankees and the biggest thing you look back at Derek's legacy he did it through all the controversy and you look at all the players that fell. During that time the steroid era he stayed clean and trust asked me they were looking you know and and he stayed clean through the whole thing. I think that is a tribute to him and the player that he has to put up the numbers and I and all that so I think that stands for something as well. But you're you're you're dead on you're probably right. There's somebody if Willie mays one hundred percent house. He cow how does He. So you can be absolutely right but we'll see. I mean we're going to hear from this individual and I just wonder what they have to say. What do you think is legacy which it's usually I think he's one of the greatest players in history and His impact is GonNa be everlasting last thing. I mean it's it's Mickey Mantle. It's I it's one of the biggest Yankees ever and I think maybe bigger in this sense that we live in a different time and then in the forties and fifties with Dimaggio Mantle. And all those guys because of social media and the reach of how you can reach not only New York or baseball fans but globally you know derrick jeeter walk down the street. People know who he is. My child walks down the street. People know they're not recognized. Realized as much and Mickey Mantle they would they would have never known had. He walked down the street and Oregon. When I was growing up as a kid I never saw him? I just heard about him. I read about it you also. That's how things have changed so much but he transcends the game of baseball and it was interesting. Real quick out there i. I'm curious what's going to happen. Uh Induction Day. I mean that's the guy that I was fortunate to really get to know hosted his as events Golfing Tampa for ten straight years and we had John Legend saying we had man at his wedding. He knows Jay Z.. E. Events there's no telling who's WHO's GonNa be there. He's interviewed interviewed Obama. He's he was on Saturday night live I mean he transcended so many things outside of baseball and this is a very unique baseball player. We may see it in and other sports. You don't see that in baseball. I've already volunteered my services for induction day Harold Earlier in the show. I said that whoever did not vote for Derek should be we found And then forced to present jeeter at the hall of fame Reading comments written by me. Personally I would write them. MM-HMM I go for that person. That person made the remark would something along the lines of. Here's Derek Jeter Baseball Hall Hall of Famer Izhak. That's basically what it would basically read. I might workshop get from Staten Island. That's not ask the poll question one of hr before we send him onto again. have both Derrick jeeter an Larry Walker on MLB network studio forty two on MLB tonight at five thirty PM Eastern. What do you got over there crying? HR WHO's most deserving of hall of fame enshrinement. Some of the guys who aren't in. Pete Rose Barry Bonds Roger Clemens. None of the above all of the above I have a hard time with Pete. Rose not being in the hall of fame and I I understand I probably get get crushed by a lot of people but four thousand two hundred fifty six heads and I know the gambling thing came as a manager so And as far as I know he could have been gambling player. Too But I just think that as time comes. I'm watching the softening stance of bonds and clemens with steroids. And I think people are lapsing over Pete Rose and and and and that with the world changing the way it this I think in the hall fan thanks how again we'll see on. MLB tonight tonight at five thirty eastern with both jeeter in Walker. It'll be a fun show. I'll be tuned in. We'll chat soon. Thank you for a minute right back thank you. That's how Reynolds here on the rich Eisen show clemens sixty one percent of the vote bonds sixty point seven percent of the vote the sixty point seven percent of the vote is the largest voting percentage for bonds and is now eight years on the ballot. Two more to go. Clemens clements got up to sixty one percent two hundred and forty two people saying yes one more than bonds maybe that's where the G. Vote Went Aberdeen and Yeah man it's interesting when you hear about the rose. Look Pete Rose admitted to it. Signed a document saying I'm banned for Life Right. The hall of Fame Meet Museum. Baseball Hall of fame and museum could have basically said we'll we'll still put you in it's just on your plaque that you're banned banned for life in baseball. I guess they could have done that. I don't know if baseball would have been very happy with that. And then the guy that he could have appealed to eventually after years as we all know passed away. Almost right away and Bart Giamatti. So I think a lot of the following commissioners where honoring the Commissioner at the time and his memory by keeping this intact then of course pete never helped himself never went on. What member Mickey Mantle went on so many different solutions his and shows to talk about his battle with alcoholism? And how don't be like me and you know I wasn't a great dad and I wasn't a great person from time to time and I'm clean and sober now. I'm turning turning around if Pete had handled gambling like that saying it was an addiction. I just wish I didn't hadn't done that. Don't be like me. It can break up families if he had done. I'm not I think he's in the hall of fame. There's so many other things that have happened since then that just renews people's anger about what had happened. But he did all all those hits man at the ad so tough to haul cooperstown museum and the hid king the homerun king and the pitcher with the most. Cy Youngs aren't in the hall and by the way the report that that that was so comprehensive on that the dowd report Jon Dowd report. Just a cross dreams here. The John Dow that you hearing about an all the impeachment stuff all the trump Russia's stuff that's on the news same guy same guys thirty years ago the peers. That's that's that's how long ago was. Isn't that report was so comprehensive and it was difficult to read difficult to read. You think they're just going to wait until pete passes passes away the same people that are going to be saying it but he signed this document he knew what he was signing when he signed it the guy who if you will put them away passed away and we would be dishonoring his memory and and his his stance if we reverse verse and by the way. I think we will see pete at the draft because I think he does normally sign cards in Vegas Vegas Donnie. Oh yeah all the time right right where the NFL is holding its draft. We'll be driving the boat to stage by the way just just real quick real quick real quick and we said yesterday that that they're going to put the draft. He's on the boat it's not to announce their rights to bring them to the red carpet. Red Carpet is on them is on the fountain. Water the main draft stages right by Caesar's which I think is closer to P. I've been there in a long time. Repeat announce a pick. I don't think so. Ladies and gentlemen around Joe Borough Pete Rose on the third round they start bringing all these random people in a rang. A Tang announced a pig. That's true through years ago and May I loved it. Fake Elvis will do it. Eight four four zero five. Donny and Marie are GonNa shouldn't the blue man group do it for the cokes. Yup carrot tops on forever. JABBA walkies couple guy with a lump. It's GONNA drop in. We'll thunder down undo it with the from unto cheese that we heard from yesterday all right eight four four two zero four rich. We'll take your phone calls. Ah I don't even hear what you guys said. Probably glad I did. And we're back with more in a moment. It's the greatest time of the year in sports. 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Right now is about what a fun shoot. That was. Oh Oh my gosh. She was giving me all sorts of tips on how to crusoe up a little bit more including when you put the glasses on after the line you've got to walk out of frame right the walk off the wall glasses on in the walk off. Gosh you're such a fun day. Oh my God show was and he's about to join us. Nothing quite lights up a phone line like talking about Pete. Rose have you noticed that in the five and a half mister the show. Yeah there are a handful of topics and guys who just get the phone Dean Virginia just called and I'm sorry cuts the line because of that fact act but what's up. Hey rich longtime fan of your games on. ESPN appreciate that. My nothing years is a lifelong Cincinnati reds. My thing is if you want to have very fine you know recognize the home run King Done in the record books. I don't see why that one should not there. The fame. He got category with beat needs to be. I mean nobody has ever got that many hit snow. Thanks for the call. Deny appreciate it and thanks for saying what you said for back back in the day promised bonds bonds was never found guilty of anything correct correct. That's right and Trainer Brian Anderson Pete. Best friend of all time he did sign a document said I'm banned for life. Put his pete rose on it. That's the difference Randy in Washington. State's been waiting the longest. What's up randy? Hey rich what's up sir. What's on your mind? First of all good luck on your. You're running for the children's hospital appreciate it. Saint Jude run rich. Rumour talk more about it in February. That's for sure all right Brockman. Listen Up Buddy only higher education. You're GonNa get listening to me talk so what Ken. griffey junior was elected to the hall. He didn't get all the votes. Somebody from the East Coast voted against him. Well somebody out here in the west coast found out who it was and ask them about it. They says well I want you to go in one hundred percent. Well we wrong. All that happens out. East got voted no out west. Thank you randy in Washington right there. Now that if that's the way it goes like it literally was tit for tat because some voters want reason why didn't vote for for are junior is because I wanted Geeta to be the first position or I player period to go in one hundred percent and then somebody who is going to pissed about Out that for Griffey. I'll show you wow. Could you imagine if that's what it does. Wind up being like literally to lab animals throwing their poop across the country at each other essentially all rain down judgement. And we'll move forward. Could you imagine i. That's what it is. I can't imagine that would be gosh. That's pretty embarrassing. If that's the case now now now we got tin foil hat lehrer and conspiracy theories for the hall of fame and that makes that would actually make more sense than anything else if that's true. I've seen right here that we had all the baseball conspiracies week more mad at that person or less. Oh Oh good question. That's I I become a little on silent Maglis mad on silent like weird way again. I would get that like I. I get that that was the way it was you. Jerks didn't vote one hundred percent. Are they going to keep getting by us. Four years old. I mean that's for what yesterday the baseball writers are have actually news update on the actor rex land and we will talk run rich running our three coming coming up a handyman tip. Ti hairs come. Check me out man. Join me on my new podcast cal. Expeditiously exclusively available apple podcasts and podcasts went every week we'll be talking to people who move to coach a four. Who are shaping can change in the world and they own? You're going to hear some we'll change your life and move the needle in your world. Expeditiously is exclusively available apple. 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Network reporter Tom Villa sorrow Tampa Bay times NFL reporter Rick Strode Plus Co host of Good Morning Football Nate, Burleson and now. Rich. Paul Ryan everybody welcome this edition of the Rich Eisen, show we are live on the air fraud in Los Angeles California Week five is underway and we have a game from last night to discuss and then a game that's coming up this weekend that's now being threatened by a covert positive tests that needs to be checked on with the New York jets. That's the latest example of how week five and the NFL season is becoming the new normal and I guess I just want to start with that real quick that we all just have to understand that the way that we saw in the first three weeks of this season everything go. I think that let's hope that that proves to be the norm this year I think the last two weeks is going to be the norm for the NFL season and we all kind of have to get used to it, and if a team has to play on a Tuesday or a Monday and then move this game from year to they're. Going to have to be the case, and we'll all just have to roll with it, and honestly the only thing that I think that that concerns fans about that they might be wondering about it. is their fantasy teams me honest with you and wondered about. This person is going to be available for your fantasy team or not, and you know and. and and and I'm I'm. I'm just as guilty of any having Josh Allen, and Kyla Murray is my two starting quarterbacks in in or or two quarterbacks in one league right now one game. As. It was announced yesterday it appears titans bills. If no more positive tests from the titans are going to be popping up and today news is yesterday was a clean day which we're glad to hear that the titans and the bills will play Tuesday and Thursday night game that everybody thought. Was the issue in rescheduling tightened bills on Tuesday that's now been pushed to. Saturday. If everything goes according to plan the Patriots game that we heard that might not be played at all this week because to found Gilmore tested positive on Wednesday that's now slated a five o'clock eastern time kickoff. That's coming up on Monday night. Another Monday night doubleheader it's going to be Broncos at New England the rare five o'clock eastern Monday night stars. For a football game but guess what? Well we'll deal with it. Okay and then you know. We'll sit back hope that everything else goes according to plan on. Sunday. Tom. Pella Sarah my colleague from the NFL network WHO's completely on top of this story. I mean, it's amazing. He he he might have like the phone number of some lab and New Jersey to find things out himself waiting instead of waiting to hear from teams. He'll be joining us in about forty minutes time to make heads or tails on that nate burleson our friend from good morning football and the NFL Today on. CBS, he'll be joining us in the third hour of the program, and then right in the middle from the Tampa Bay. Times are Nick Stroud who covers the Tampa Bay buccaneers. Rick Stroud right in the middle of our show from the Tampa Bay Times will join us. and. There's lots to talk about right there. It's an interesting game. Okay. What's What's unpack this here? So. TAMPA BAY comes out rolling. You even texted that to the group buccaneers a Roland great with that goes well out and then mistakes begin to happen. From a fumble towards the end of the half. To defensive lapses and penalties all over the lot brady starts barking at. His teammates welcome to being Tom. Brady teammate Tampa Bay. This is what happens. And Nick foles looks as pedestrian as he looked in the first half of the game as he did in the second half of last week and then. The pig Saint Nick shows up. And to the first half takes advantage of the mistakes that the Tampa Bay buccaneers make and then all of a sudden it just becomes. A war of attrition I guess. From Vida they great run stopper and pass rusher of Tampa Bay going off on a cart I mean Tampa Bay. It's like a weekly current seeing somebody go off on A. Few days ago was OJ Howard last night it was via that's a broken ankle for Vida ton of. Season ending injuries that Tampa is going to have to be dealing with moving forward and I'm genuinely concerned about their viability to win it all certainly in an NFC that has green bay on a bi week playing as well as they've been playing in the NFC west looking has the way they look. And the New Orleans saints coming up on. Monday, night football having an opportunity to take over. First Place in this division unless Carolina. Takes out Atlanta and creates a whole bunch of problems for Atlanta. Possible you got three three and two teams by the end of the week. But you have to give it up. To the Chicago Bears It's not. Pretty I. Don't think we've seen anything in the standings however resembling a photograph or painting or a picture or a drawing style points but. They can rush the passer defend on the back end they can make you. Think twice before trump is a quarterback, they can make you. They can make you. Make mistakes. Have a problem with the run defense I'll tell you that we're seeing some people being able to run against him but. Right. Now, the Chicago bears are foreign one. And Right now Alan Robinson has been showing up since nick foles has been pulling the trigger is the God that. Is a number one receiver in this league? Khalil Mack Really. Got It. Done last night. And foles is. Moving the ball downfield field when you need him to and Cairo Santos did not doing it. I'll be honest with you is he was swinging his leg last night a couple of times lead. I thought could you imagine if he hits both uprights here? But Nagy made the decision last week it looked like a terrible one this week it looked like a great one and it looked like a great maneuver in second half and certainly in the fourth quarter when everything was going down. and. The conversation this morning is about Tom Brady in the final drive of the game. I thought. Just like the rest of America just like. Troy Aikman joke. That when Nagy decided to put it in the air on second down. And their final drive. Instead of running the ball forcing. The buccaneers to take their final timeout running the ball again, they get it down to about. Thirty seconds left and then bringing out your field goal kicker to give you the lead from right around the same spot that Santos did kick the game winner. I thought to myself just like the rest of America we've seen this movie before. The calls are coming from within house. It's like one of those harm that you watched through your fingers because you know. WHO's coming for you and you know? Those poor kids on the screen. Are About to get it. Because of what Tom Brady does when you give him the ball and the chance to win a game with. Ninety ticks on the clock you just don't do it. You shouldn't do it. You can't do it. You don't do it. And it doesn't matter how old. You shouldn't do it. Shirt off. It comes Brady on the field moving the ball down the field. They're clicking. They're clicking. fourth-down arrives and short I'm sitting there thinking no big deal. Five Year pass I doubt keep going Brady's done this before each not it before he usually finds someone on the old crossing route someone a dumping it off. On the rarest of occasions even pick it up with his feet I've seen this before then he just goes down the field. He targets some way down the field and I'm like what's up with that? and. Troy Aikman says in the booth it looks like, Brady, lost track of the downs. And you see a shot of the screen of Brady holding up the number four after it's all done. which leads you to believe he thought wait a minute. It's fourth down right now is everybody running off the field wise ICAGO celebrating it's. It's not like he's keeping track of the. Number of wins the bears now have right I mean it just makes no sense. Why would he hold up the number four? And when things that we see in life in general. Are Inexplicable, you always go to the conspiracy conspiratorial. Thirty seconds left in the game. He's not even saying put four seconds back on the clock I mean there's no there's no real rational explanation Ford and I know Bruce Arians said after the game that he knew track down and Brady said that he realized he should have gotten the first down instead of the chunk place I I know that. But it sure looks like Tom Brady forgot the downs there's just no way to put. There's really just from an observer outside observer it looks like he lost track of downs which leads to you know the whole conversation of Brady having a senior moment we all have it. Just not on now she's vision fourth quarter. And and we've never seen that before. I don't recall ever seeing that before I don't recall him ever losing track of downs at any point at any time in new. England. Regardless. Of whether it's the first quarter of the fourth quarter. I've never seen that before that's a I. That's a I. Know also. One thing that gets lost in this whole conversation to me. Was, the, quizzical decision earlier in the fourth quarter by a guy who's normally you know no risk it no biscuit. For Short in the Red Zone, they just kicked the field goal. I thought Brady was GONNA come out. They would go for it on fourth and one Ronald. Jones has got one hundred yards on the ground and go for their. Stick it in the end zone forcing foles and the bears to have to go the length of the field and score touchdown in order to win the game. When they settled for the field goal, I was kind of confused about that. Actually me too. and. That led to just needing only a field goal for the bears and there's only a field goal for. Tampa, which is now three into this is not. At all in my mind a terribly problematic loss for. Brady unless you're talking about. One day down the road wave a wand NFC west doesn't really exist bucks and bears dueling it out for the one seed who gets the week off you know what I'm saying like yeah. It may come home to roost in terms of potentially conference record tie-break you know of somebody's a difference between two three or four seed youth they've won the division or. Again Evans's on one leg Godwin's not even out there. They're beginning to get a considerable amount of injuries racking up a concern about Tampa on that front. Not Concerned about. Brady. Suddenly, losing it I mean he was zipping some passes in their his arm strength is not a question. We haven't even talked about while Brady won't even go downfield. He's going vertical and he's thinking vertical and the offense is about being vertical when it needs to be and he is the trigger man for the moment I am not concerned about that at all. I am concerned about the number of injuries being racked up and the number of mistakes that this team makes. And the bears Khalil. Mack is a bona fide top notch grade a potential future hall of Fame Game Wrecker. and. The bears have foles hopefully they get better. Hopefully, the run game gets a little bit more. In, line with the passing game, it does seem to be out of sync just. Again I'm not an all twenty two guy just see what I see and feel what I feel when I see it just looks like the passing game in the run game it doesn't seem like. Doesn't it seem like they're totally two different parts of the playbook that haven't really meshed together in a way that maybe you see on the chiefs of the rams, we're talking about, uh high flying offense but those are things that can be addressed. You saw foles wanting to go more UPTEMPO at one point being demonstrative about that on the sideline but chuck. Pagano as I mentioned yesterday the defensive coordinator there the guy who called Arian to make sure he and retire and bring the Indianapolis where he took over when Pagano got sick leading to the ascendancy of Bruce Arians as a head coach in this league of note. Good Chuck and good for the bears. Congratulations to those fans who thought that thing was toast and iced in the first half. So we'll talk about the buccaneers performance, the injuries, the eleven penalties that they racked up with Rick? Stroud. Who spoke Bruce Arians about an hour ago so we'll ask him to unload his notebook. On that front. When he joins us in the middle of this Friday show. That includes you eight, four, four, zero, four, rich. We're getting ready for two game fives evening. One. Again, game fives you know depending on the math. are either decisive. Pivotal Or in the case. Of Tonight's Yankees, rays game pivotal and designers of both double-dip. Lakers go for the ramp up. Lakers tried to close the NBA bubble in Orlando and set everybody to writing books and thirty for thirty documentaries about what happened. And, tonight should be the exclamation point. Everybody here in Los Angeles should get ready for the los. Lakers car flags to be seen all over the city are flags all clipper fans within. The sound of my voice whether in studio or on our terrestrial radio. Network including right here throughout southern California. On the mighty ten ninety should get ready, all clipper fans should get ready steal themselves. All laker haters all Lebron haters should steal themselves and get ready. To Watch he Anthony Davis celebrate together with Casey P. and Kuzma. WHO's been through a lot that kid? And Rondo get another one I think that happens tonight. Unless big face coffey. Gets highly caffeinated drops in a fifty point triple double. That would be. Tyler Heroes starts dropping in threes. He does look like rex. Chapman Donnie. Well. He does kind of have that. Rex. Look. So getting ready for that. Then the Yankees and the raise this evening. Little Bit of Television Conundrum for Dad this evening. And? Friday. Music Show. Oh, I'm sorry. I. Forgot to make that part of my lead the lead segment here on the program. As your is your. Are you going to be doing that? Block. Great. Double, box. I forget use them phrases like double boxes. that. do you have a poll question on lined up there Christopher I've gone a couple. Okay. Because we'd like to do is let's workshop on that. And then we've got our usual complement of Friday goodies. From Chris. Brockman. Sneaky Good Games trying to get you some hard American cash. To my games that are being overlooked under the radar games for the rest of the week five schedule I give you my unluckiest lock of the week where I got got I've got a feeling that there's an upset but don't take it to the bank. Is No bank that you should take it? And then high register where we have to. Go up here to try and convince you what we're actually believing even though we don't believe it, which is why we gotta go in this. Way. That High Register that I've. Fire, right. There was actually pretty good. And then. And then we we we take your calls at eight, four, four, zero, four rich. When we come back, we'll unpack the poll question get ready for Tom. To tell us what is going on in the NFL with the jets and other covert positive teams potentially. And then? We praise the dodgers when we come back. This season get football on your time. With NFL, Game Pass. 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Just, like you're totally right, I mean Miami Clemson this weekend Eagles steelers Vikings, seahawks bills tightens those huge games. Okay which two and two team you like to make the playoffs to and to there are six to into inert down to four. Forty Niners, cardinals, patriots saints. And kind of on a sad note, but still an interesting question. Why Ford passed away this morning age ninety, one, we lost now three all time greats in the last six Gibson Whitey Ford Gale Sayers Tom. COM Steven turns a baseball. Okay. Who Do you give the ball to in a game seven? seaver Gibson Whitey Ford here. What's called the two and two teams in the NFL let's do that. We'll do that. I think we will. You Know I. Think we all agree. I mean you hit a game did did any of them? I'm sure why do you pitch in a game seven that seaver pitch in a game seven? mean he was only. Wasn't a Lotta playoffs. But still has one of the all time. Great I of course. I'm not denying that. Do not deny that. Okay let's do the to and to. Do that. Team of you're with US teams listings. We're back here on the rich Eisen show on the rich. Eisen. Show terrestrial radio network and we say Hulo especially again to our friends at the mightier ten ninety in southern California we say, congratulations to all dodger fans listening to us on the mightier ten ninety and we. Send our our tip of the CAP. To the highly entertaining and dynamic. Sky's the limit. There's much. Bright light at the end of the twenty twenty tunnel in the San. Diego Padres fant. But I'll tell you what man Day what man did the dodgers and I stopped watching when it was like nine hundred, ninety to whatever finished twelfth three K. did the dodgers hit a home run last night? I don't think they did. Request think they put up a dozen run without leaving the yard? They, just put the bat on the ball and day just hit line drives and they find gaps and they put pressure on you and they are really tough. I mean they've got generational talented players in bets and Bellinger, and then other players you know like will Smith. Who are Ab- supremely talented that you know have names. That, invoke other famous people you know what I mean Chris Taylor and then Justin Turner is just Is One of the best is easy Julian Edelman of baseball interesting where are you going with that that that? A. Self made. Man Like not a huge prospect correct and a lot of fanfare coming into the league. Regular season numbers that are. I don't WANNA say solid. Solid solid, but good. Good. Bye in the. Playoffs impose the hall of fame. Yeah wins the game for you makes the power that a by that. The Justin Turner is Julian Edelman of Major League Baseball. Yup. And that when the chips are down. There's not more of a money player in the entire sport whether they're. Decorated with all stars pro bowls or whatever. This guy just gets on base and moves runners along and plays defense and Glue Guy. The players player glues guy the solid of compliments in baseball and sports glue. Guy, you're a glue guy. presence, you connect pimples, parts together. You're that guy who? To stick it. You Know Albers. where I'm going with all of it or you're going. In the pitching it's going to be looked at the back end of that Penn.. Is the. shakiest part of of. Of Dodger Town right now twenty twenty yeah. But they just. Absolutely looked the San Diego padres in the face. And said not now. Not Now Not Now, not saying not ever not now. Did you see when bellinger and tatty met at second base when bellinger reached second. I think they had some sort of exchange laugh in about sorry I robbed your home. Coverage and. I think that's what they're exchange was. And they had like a good laugh over it. But there's no laughing matter that the Los Angeles dodgers are coming for you and they're coming for the braves. Next is the braves. Just are just bagel their way into the next round and they got they got a ton of young talented players to that'll be an interesting series. I'll tell you that pretty fun. And then the Astros advance in dodger stadium of all places. Homerun Derby that series was man it was fun and they have advanced. Sitting back waiting for. Either the Tampa Bay rays. Or a rematch of last year's American League Championship series. If the Yankees advanced tonight now Garrett Cole is starting for the Yankees this evening. And I have learned this is rich Eisen show exclusive. Oh. Garrett Cole. The Yankees have plans. To pitch him in the second inning tonight. What about the third? They have plans. They're expected to whatever. Information. Man Slash Woman in sports language you want to get their plans they are expected to Pitch Garrett Cole. For as long as Garrett Cole is affected. Oh. That's So. Cole is tonight's starting pitcher. Now then. The Tampa Bay rays. Are Starting to pitcher. Glass now. Right, game one was last now. By the way he's got a hose that guy's really good. And but he pitched just two days ago. He's on two days rest. Because we all know baseball just according accordion ing everything together shoving it together. To get. October, done with. So five straight days. It's just a sprint. And I think the LCS's are the same thing. It's a seven day sprint for as long as that is. and. So. Game One and game five starters nationally our full complement of rest. Right. Right. But not this time. Game One was Monday game five is tonight Friday game too was Tuesday. You don't start a star Tuesday to Friday unless he's not a starter. That Guy, you call an opener now it's game five. So it's truly like all hands on deck. There is no tomorrow for the loser. Loser goes home winner advances to take on the Houston Astros. So. I'm imagining this kid glass goes a couple of innings and then Snell comes in to. pull the old Hamburg on any lefties that are put in the starting lineup thinking that glass no is going to be the guy for a few innings and then all of a sudden. Oh Here comes the lefty. We're playing a little bit of cat and mouse as Michael. Kay. Pointed out yesterday. The whole theory of an opener only works if everybody buys into it from the Pitcher who comes in the second guy in or any of the batter's that no, they're only in the lineup once or or you're just assuming the other team doesn't see through this ploy. And stacks the lineup filled with lefties. Is What I hate about baseball right now it's just it's just such nonsense. No Gut no field. No Nah that's shift here. Let's shift they're. Fifty two percent of the time this is supposed to happen unless twenty percent of the time occurs. In the eightieth percentile of a chats. Six pather. It's funny when Whitey Ford S to use everything Ford rest his soul passed away today at the age of ninety one? You know. When he started with the Yankees. Casey stangl. Kind of kept his statistics down because he they would hold him out to wait for the toughest competition. He would pitch widely. In situations where it was best for the Yankees because they knew that whitey would be the stop or they would hold them out say, no, you're not GonNa Pitch on your usual complement of rest. Against this crappy team, we're GONNA hold you out for another two days, and then when Ralph how to in the sixties he told Wadih screw that you're going every fourth day. And that's when Whitey. Started winning. The Most He ever did in his career. By the way still the winningest pitcher in the history of the new. York Yankees. Two hundred thirty and change. With the the all time record for world series wins and he is. But again, it's just a different era man. So I'll sit back and I'll just. Root for my home team that's bubbled up in and you. Send out shirtless video tonight Nicotera if something goes wrong you know what? Here's my ultimate conundrum Because we have a Friday night. Ritual and the rich is suzy shuster household. Whatever it is so doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. Sorry his game five. I'm aware of that. But. The Great British Bake Show has returned on. Netflix. We Have A. We have a family. Date. It's so rare and my house. When we all? Have time to sit around and kids are not complaining or moaning or doing something who I adore. Love Them. But when it is time to like, Hey, let's all sit down and watch them. Let's all spend time as a family together. That's not a meal or not. Something other than just sitting around like a family getting everyone agree on something is truly. A Rubik's cube. Of A conundrum. So when we're it's great British bake show. It's like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do this three letters rich. What is it d. the or I know that it's on Netflix On demand as it gets tomorrow. postponed. Its on demand as it gets the kids will they all crazy if you don't watch it like I mean, is it like? I know I would have been It's possible that we could push it like if if this game gets done crisply is, what's what's first pitch four or five o'clock tonight and Pacific four, four, ten percent. Okay. Shot you got shot. I. Would have gone. A Rare Garrett Cole Paul Hollywood double dip tonight on the Isan Schuster household like when emergency was on and I was a kid. I was previous. showed any rate. Yes I'll just sit back tonight. and see how it all plays out and hope that. Garrett Cole puts me in a rocking chair this evening. That won't happen. I don't think that's going to be on the edge of the Rock and care no no no no of rocking chair like Yanks get banks get up to three enough in coal the Gary Cole-. Shows up that the Garrett Cole that the Yankees purchase for all that money? That guy. Because I don't think a game one performance. Twenty for the. Same thing for the race amid. Say. Good luck you don't mean that. Not, all my Gosh, not even. When I wish you guys get out even that's good. High. Register should look sure is that is that your high register for the Third Hour? No no no I've got a particularly spicy one. You know who? I really feel bad for the night. No Pittsburgh pirate fans. Okay. I'll bite two, thousand, sixteen and Seventeen. You know who they had on their. On their pitching staff Col. in Tyler. Glasnost. And now they get to watch these two guys. Heart ban you know coming from Pittsburgh it's like that team really wants a winning baseball team in it's. It doesn't seem like it's going to have ever beautiful. Ballpark. ballpark is amazing. Beautiful you know think about you had those two guys on they were teammates. The lockers were probably right next to each other. Coz. pry teaching him pitcher to, and now they as a pirate Fan GonNa turn on your TV and watch this tonight like and I guess to bring this full circle. The conundrum in my house is we we are family. I like your style. Wow. My. Sons. have their sisters in me. But, it's a nineteen seventy-nine pop culture references. That song tonight. Excuse me the kids rich. Skew for the kids skew. Sister Sledge even for the kids with birds. will say this though. The dodgers look pretty damn on beatable right now. Yeah. Yeah. Because they can beat you any way that you. They, have more ways to beat you than anybody else right now. But no one's talking about the braves and I think that's how they fans wanted while I mean that's just the way it works for all Atlanta sports and that's not a slight. Yeah. So. Out of the by the way, we were talking about this last night on on kneeled. Poker's. When the dodgers won the photograph. What was what was the photograph? Thank Yeah you want a divisional series. Main. Role but. Taking photographs for and I, just think every milestone in covid nineteen world is just celebrated a little bit more of a probably what it is. That they've gotten there. And the fact that again that the LCS is going down. And the braves and the dodgers are there. And Baseball has made it to the LCS run. Because I saw my friend John Hayman who covers baseball tweeted out early, this morning that all covert tests have come back negative. So when the Yankees and raise finish up tonight. Baseball will make it to the LCS rounds in bubble cities with teams, bubbled up, in hotels. So, they're getting their tonight. It appears the Larry O'Brien trophy will indeed be given out to the Lakers. And then when the I I would just love to see a shot. Of Adam silver. I'm assuming he's Deir. Yassin Museum trophy. Assume right there because I don't think he's been there for I don't know but I'm assuming he's there I just WanNa see a shot him. When it's all over Everybody's done. A shot of him on his couch. That, the bubble is relax shot down the. The minute. The last person leaves the bubble. In the NBA. I just want to shout at him. Glass of Wine Yeah. To the on the couch literally like Luke Cohiba that. Afford all. They're so close and. The reason for it but because the dodgers are like. Some of the guys were watching it there. It's it's like the equivalent of those AFC southbounders that everyone used to make fun of the RCA. Dome. But every every step of the way they do the champagne and everything and no no. But every step of the way I has more significant way out for divisional series when. Although. We'll. I would sign for that right now that the NFL gets to the point where baseball is right now and basketball is right now and the NHL in the clubhouse. I'd signed for that right now don't forget the WNBA. WNBA as complete completed, there's in the wobble. Let's take a break. 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As, well as our guest line, my colleague from NFL Network Nfl Media Group has been a top this story of what's going on with so many teams in. COVID. Nineteen world in the two thousand twenty NFL season Tom Pella Sarah joining me how you doing Thomas. Just swimming in the covid nineteen waters once again, it's that. So what's the? What's the what's right now at the top of the list is at the jets one player testing, positive today or presumptive positive. What what, what are you telling me on that? What can you tell me here, Tom? Was the jet situation it's important. Understand the process that goes into when you get a presumptive positive. So as I understand, the timeline here is this is from yesterday's round of the normal daily ptr testing that everybody in the league undergoes every day those results come back late at night or early in the morning So when the results came back, three things happened under the protocols they rerun the original sample, they give a rapid result POC tests and they do a new. Test out to a lab while if the POC test and the PR rerun agree then it's either confirmed as a positive or confirmed as a negative. In this case, they did not agree which is now why they have to wait for this additional PCR test to confirm whether or not. This actually is a a real positive I know that's a lot of acronyms in a short period of time and I've learned just to kind of throw them around a little bit too liberally. But point being there are many of these put it. That way that happened within the league some of them end up being confirmed there are many end up not actually being confirmed the. Process to sort that out is a lot faster because of what happened with Matthew Stafford back in training camp accelerated this process you no longer go on the Reserve Kobe nineteen lifts in your name is out there as having Kobe before The test is confirmed all of which is to say the jets are operating the phrase that we've used a lot which is an abundance of caution by sending everybody home. If in fact, though this is going to be a false positive to team and the player could be back to work later today, and so we wait right and then you know we had Dr Allen Sills on yesterday the chief medical officer of the NFL. There's videos that you can see and watch and see who this player was around as well as the tracer that every player wears to know who the player was around and where and who is masked up and who might not be. We'll get to the titans in a second. So there's a lot of ways that you go. You check the tape check this you check that, and then you mentioned that you rerun attest that's already been. Ron as well. POC meaning point of care. It's done right there and then you re run then you take a whole fresh new test of the PR test right now that's the highly sensitive tests that Sills said we'll pick up pretty much any particle that might be considered Cova D-. So that's all put together and that's why the cardinals are still right now planning on getting on a plane right for this game we're currently talking. Right and that's just kind of the the world that we're living I. mean there's been a believe the numbers released by the NFL earlier this week is there's been free hundred, seventy thousand or so tests run since camps began and you're talking about like eighty four total new positive cases that have taken place over the past couple of months dating to the middle of August I mean these are these are low numbers you have to take each one. Seriously there have been sixty different examples this season in which there was a positive test within a building and it. Did not spread to anyone else and I remember an executive for a team telling me very early in this process that the greatest evidence that the protocols work is not when nobody gets it that might just mean nobody was exposed. It's when one person gets it and no one else gets it. I spoke to Falcons coach Dan Quinn last Saturday, and I asked him because that was the same day that Cam Newton's positive test came to light. There was changes to the Patriots Chiefs Game I ask when what did you learn from the situation with Aj terrel who the previous? Saturday at had a positive test the ice elated as you under the protocols no other falcons players had tested positive and they played their game without issue and Quinn said, it was two things. One AJ was really diligent with wearing his mask and to he had no violations on the traffic report because every team every day your trainer, whoever it is is communicating with the company. The reads the tracking devices that can actually on tracking devices and the data's those put out of were you within some six feet of somebody for fifteen consecutive minutes if you were then you that is. Flagged as Utero didn't have anything I mean. It's it's an oversimplification on some level, but it really can be that simple at a very base level, which is wear a mask and keep your distance and you're not going to infect other people. Even if you yourself end up getting infected Tom, pillow Sarah my colleague from the NFL Network Nfl Media Group, joining me here on the rich Eisen show to discuss Let's move on right now to the Tennessee titans where things stand on on the titans playing their next game and also the investigation as to why. It. the titans players decided to hold their own practices after being told to go home Tom. Well, that's what the NFL in the NFL. PA. have been looking into and they. reviewed surveillance video they have conducted interviews I can tell you that with people in the organization as well as with players trying to get to the bottom of you know, how did those unauthorized offside workouts and I'm told there are multiple involving multiple physician groups. How did those come together they've also looked into whether or not masks were being weren't consistently They've looked into whether tracking devices were worn consistently and if violations. are found in certainly seems like at least on the workout front than you would expect, there's going to be disciplined on potentially harsh discipline i. mean there's only been truly one outbreak. The Patriots have had three cases over the past week here but the titans have had twenty three over two plus weeks, and the fact you still had people in the past couple of days in terms of players testing positive lends credence to the idea that. There was continued community spread after the facility closed because the players continue to get together on their own having said all that in terms of their ability to play this game on Tuesday I am told there is a possibility that the titans facility for the first time since September twenty-ninth could reopen as soon as tomorrow afternoon, they could be back to work do a walk through maybe tomorrow do a practice on Sunday you're ready to. Play on Tuesday, and even if they have an additional positive tests it was emphasized to me today. The NFL is looking at the entirety of this situation I mean Roger Goodell playing Md. here. I'm talking about Dr Al and Sills, they have a committee of epidemiologists to look at this as well as the committee of GM's and coaches and players who are deciding some of the competitive aspects of this. There were a through the contact tracing. A number of titans players that had identified as high risk close contacts with some of the recently infected individuals. So there is a likelihood if not an expectation that you will continue to have additional positive tests in the coming days prior to that game on Tuesday and the same thing with the Patriots there were multiple on told patriots players who been identified as close high risk contacts with the phone more. So again, a likelihood if not. An. Expectation could have additional positive test, but the League is not do. There's no hard rule that if you have a test on this amount before kickoff, we have to cancel every situation is being taken on a case by case basis and they're doing what they can and trusting the protocols to try to make these Games happen on Monday and Tuesday Tom Pella. Sarah here on the rich Eisen show it sure seems to me Tom. and. Again, you're you're closer to it than I am in terms of talking to League sources and. You know becoming an expert on public health that you probably never thought. You'd have to be to do your job that the first three weeks of the season where we just all go about our business not thinking about this is fans that's over right but that that. The NFL would be lucky seinfeld right now that they will hold another week in the NFL season where all the games that are scheduled or played on time in every single team tests negative in the same way that the first three weeks happened would you say essentially we're looking at the new normal for the rest of the year Tom. The not necessarily just based upon what the NFL and the NFL PA believe happened in Tennessee and that's not to say that there was a a concerted effort on the part of the titans to visit the protocols or to do anything on toward. But there was a a level of, let's say complacency that the League in the Union believed set. In their through which protocols were violated and allowed viruses spread within the team that had previously not spread certainly not to this degree within any other team. So there was an appeal made on this past Monday from the NFL to head coaches general managers. There are some owners on call. The message was very clear. It was the protocols are not failing. In some cases, people are failing. So we all have a responsibility nobody can get complacent if we want actually finish the season at the same time, there has to be an appeal made, and some of this is going to be coming from the clubs to the players. The players also cannot get complacent and they have a role nobody in all. Of this and you can say what you will about you know the hundreds of millions of dollars that are at stake for NFL clubs but for players, many of whom do not have one hundred, million dollars in the bank you're running on multiple levels. If a season gets shut down, the season stops if the Games are canceled after this week you. Stop getting paid you got paid through five weeks. You're the twelve game checks are gone. Those don't come back and on top of that, the impact on revenue would be so great that there would be a ripple effect on salary caps for years to come that would cause players to be released. It would cause free agency but for the top You know handful of guys you know the top echelon guys would not get as much money. I mean huge things at stake for players here. So maybe this is a reset point the NFL I know there was some speculation. Are they going to pause the season at this point? Could they take a week off reschedule things into week eighteen could even take. Two weeks off, shorten the season to fourteen games at this point again, they're they're focus right now is on finding ways to have these games, take place and to do it in a medically sound way. The big part of that involves following the protocols and make this point rich just I I was in Green Bay for the Packers Falcons game. On Monday night and if you've ever been to Green Bay and flipped around the local news stations, every head coach as long as I can remember there as a series of kind of these Lo fi low budget commercials for a variety of different cable companies phone company whatever Matlin Fluor has one actually pretty high budget that was all about wearing a mask. Starring him and I will tell you this I was in. I, was in the. Northeast Wisconsin for forty eight hours when into a handful of the gas stations restaurants whatever and everyone has a sign on the outside saying mass required to come inside and in every place. I would say many if not most of the people were not wearing masks. So when mark makes the announcement that because of uncontrolled spread because we're WANNA be covert nineteen hot spots in the entire country, we're not going to have fans in the stands until those numbers go down and until we feel it is safe of that's an inevitable outcome You know we can always have an intellectual debate about mortality rates and you. Know the strength of the virus and all those types of things. But listen if you want Paul to come back if you WANNA layer of normality, you have to take these baseline type of precautions and as we've seen in the NFL the titans situation aside, there have been a lot of places have been a lot of infections that have of people that have entered the building, but it hasn't spread to others because they are following those protocols. So, you're saying again I just about ninety seconds left you're saying most of the people you saw in Green Bay where hospitals are overflowing in the the governors of the states said they have to build a field hospital not wearing masks from what you saw. What you're saying I would say is fair to say repeatedly I encounter people there certainly were were folks that did wear masks as well, but I would tell you in every rest stop that I had to hit on the way back to grab a coffee and Boyd Wisconsin or Wausau or you know in the in the green area there were many people not following the mandate, which again we can. We can talk about the reason we talk about the virus we can talk about the politicized vision of science it's if you. Don't wear a mask. You were not going to have nice things like fans in the stands at Lambeau field and you know I've I've been to two games there. This year I've been to probably I mean going back to my days with the Green Bay Press Gazeta hundred. Games in that stadium and it is a shame. It's an absolute shame that were sitting there watching games and you don't have roll out the barrel. You don't have you know the smell of worst and Miller lite as you're walking through the parking lot. No skull and Minnesota and all that stuff Tom. Thanks for the time We'll chat on Game Day morning great work as always. Thank you. Tom Pell Sarah. I feel like ice cold here. I. Don't want to be a scold but. He you know Tom Basically saying look. The head of the Green Bay packers look you want fans. You WanNA come a games mask up. And then you've got the and then you've got but then you've got governor of the State of Florida Saint Philip Dolphins and it's just like there's there's a happy medium here. The happy medium is put a piece of cloth across your face. It's not hard. It really isn't hard. That's it. If we all did it. The NFL's leading the way sixty cases of people who test positive at has not spread. Why. 'cause they're masked up? God Lord. Only be a skull. I don't to be skuld. But it's simple. Look it again. People might sit there and I'm I'm in my own community and I don't know anybody who has it and I feel good and. And and there's a test case being run in the NF in in in the United States by. The top. Sports most watched most popular sports league. In this hemisphere. Sixty different cases. Of Somebody testing positive for covert nineteen in the NFL where there are dozens if not hundreds of human beings in the same building working towards the same goal of winning a football game. Sixty instances in which that was not spread to another human being how does that happen? It's simple. Wash up mask up wakeup period. But then you got somebody out, there is running estates and it doesn't matter fill out. Running. State. Running a whole lot I don't know. It's Eight four four zero four rich number to dial our number one in the books right here on the rich Eisen show.

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Yeah Nugenix is a great way to increase lean muscle and feel stronger with more energy and endurance and I need to get a complimentary bottle of Nugenix so problem you just got to send him a text text ext body to four two four two four right now for your complimentary bottle of Nugenix the number one selling free testosterone booster at GNC nugenix samples are not not available in stores text body to four two four two four right now text b o d y Two four two four two four. That's body to four two four two four. Hey everybody welcome. This Wednesday edition of the rich Eisen show fired up to be here and the rich Eisen show studio. My my name is rich Eisen. Listen to speak with you guys good to see you. Mike del Tufo is off the rest of the week because he's working hard for somebody else get to C. J. Courtesy okay very good. as a matter of fact he's working on the the porter spence fine correct. Let's setting up today setting up well while he's setting up the audio for the press conference today and for the fight that's going to be a pay per view on on on Fox later on on this weekend. We've got one of the actual fighters showtime Shawn Porter str- showing up so the fighters here Mike Mike is not here facts and it's tighter is going to be at venue where Mike is setting up. These are facts. Everything readies real facts. Wow it's a new it's it's a new high watermark. If you will for the rich Eisen show by the way we turn five a couple of weeks and and we've cultivated a nice caper for for our in studio guest on the day that we of and ethic the day I guess our first day as we're six. I'll I'll show the it's a big pop culture guest. That's going to be later on in the show as announced that that's called a tease for all fans of the show that no that what we've been cultivating this caper to use the more the Wiegmann phrase for five years a Wednesday in the NFL means were we've turned a page and we're looking forward unless of course the grind we got one last game of last night of of looking back but right now right here tonight on epic's picks nine eastern right here right now we've got a whole bunch of games here and one of them it starts tomorrow night packers and Eagles huge which game just absolutely monster big and Joe Bucks call in that game he's going to call in from lambofield top our number two and tons of stake. Hey can that one because it can get late early in the NFL and it would be late early for the eagles at one in three and the Dallas cowboys sit atop. The division is as well as they've played through the first few weeks of the season one two eagles three no packers packers could take a four and a record into the weekend kick back and watch the lions who are equally unbeaten a to own one take on the chiefs they make it sit back and watch the bears Vikings beat each other up. What a big game that is late window on Fox on Sunday? I'm wondering up part part Barbie that CBS I shouldn't just assume because it's an NFC game any red tape across flexing whatever they call it like The saints and the Seahawks was Romo Oh and GM right so that's GonNa be on CBS late window I assume Romo and GM will be in in Chicago for that one too so it's a big game for the the packers Ugo Forno you know you know either the bears the vikings are going to be two and two most likely and I'm talking about ties here or you know ooh that it's most likely the lines are going to get their first loss of the season unless the lions show a remarkable reserve taking on the chiefs and beating them at home bobby a huge w biggest win obviously for the lines regular seasoning in in quite some time so that's one game. I'm looking forward to seeing chiefs line as well as another one. you've got the Patriots and bills sitting at three in verses three Oh that's a good game man weird stuff happens in buffalo flow does it you mean when people throw stuff on the field stuff happens yeah yeah in the parking lot and the stand bills Mafia and you know the bills the last time they were three Oh and and made the playoffs the last time they were three you know and made the playoffs Playoffs Nineteen ninety-two Super Bowl number three out of four that they made in a row wow in the K gun Kelly et Cetera the era. That's how long it has been for them to start three and then had that cash into a playoff season. One must thank you go foreign. Oh beating the Patriots traits now that would be something else and all of the conversation of okay. It's the jets giants. It's the bangles so what goes goes right out the window also I'm the panthers in the Texans are sitting there one and two verses to there's a whole bunch of one and two versus two and won games that are of Interest Panthers in Texas Kyle and Second Start Texans at two and one of the colts sitting there at two and one raiders wanted to colts two and one browns Brown's one and two ravens to one now then browns lose this one they lose three of their first four after everything that we've talked about all the hype man right after all that we've talked about they go one in three to go to plus games behind the ravens evens then what especially since you 'cause you. NFL teams look at everything in quarters I four games next four games. The browns sounds next four games at San Francisco home for Seattle by at New England and then at Denver where Baker's already played that was one early Saturday games if you remember last year that was crucial for both teams browns and Broncos that was on NFL network on a Saturday night so so that's another one to keep an eye on certainly with Freddie Kitchens and everything that's been going on there about him talking playcalling etc and so on and so forth and then you've got the one and two giants now Danny dimes blows rose as a nickname. You don't like Danny dime. Standing dimes blows as a nickname why because it blows that's why okay but why Danny dimes drop dimes Dilford's dimes I understand what dilfer does or his dimes or you. Drop them. You look at him and do do you think of a guy like who has goodfellas type nickname. No No dimes you think anybody anybody has called him. Danny in the last fifteen danny do stand for goodness about a botanist do throw dime or Nichols Danny. I'll tell you what he certainly mowed the lawn and the second half South Tampa the asked the defense. If it wanted to fresco he was lobbying Alta stretch marks of the Tampa Defense Inc.. We we have a mind the judge scales references I think I think we've run out of them. It's easy to agree in when your ship comes in and you can. Here's the guy continued again against the Washington Redskins Here's what Danny got come without an accounting firm we just have to and I'm not GonNa go the Daniel Okay because that makes no sense. It makes no sense neither Danny dimes. What do you mean? His name is Dan. You know who throws ABC's names not Dan it's Daniel. He does that specifically because I'm sure that's what his parents have called autumn ever since he came out of the womb daddy them Danny team daddy if I ever asked him back on. has anyone ever called you Danny. Do you notice reaction action to that would be well. I'm just I'm just taking one name. At a time it blows we gotta do better and the same named in the same way that as hard as test-tried many a Monday night muna go last year has showtime mahomes stuck. No no some people don't need a nickname. They don't have one never got one. We just bought re- refer to him as his first name because you can't call a manning because obviously there was Peyton sure so. I don't know what there is. Dj I don't I don't I don't I don't know but Dan dimes. I who came up with that who did is it an anathema. I'm unaware of that's what his name's been called since high school or college in the same way that Matt Ryan was Mattie is but here's what Daniel Jones. I think the giants twitter might made that up. Is that right okay Danny dimes he does not sound or look like Danny dimes. He doesn't look like a guy who wants to have an alliterative nickname. Though it is Jimmy you gotta go get the giants. Get the giants no now no but here's what Daniel Jones can do. He can become the first player with two or more passing touchdowns a two more rushing touchdowns in consecutive games in the history of the Super Bowl era. Nobody's ever done that. He's got this all set up. This is like the Johnny Vandermeer rule. When you throw a no hitter you you have this opportunity to set record your next start if he has three or more offensive touchdowns passing rushing or receiving he'll set a rookie quarterback record for most players I to recruit career starts in the Super Bowl era if he leads the giants to another win this week if he can if he can beat Washington which is entirely possible this team is only three and as we all know susceptible to pass he'll be the I quarterback not named ally to win consecutive games the giants since Kirk did it before he got benched for two thousand four and he leads the giants? It's to a win this weekend. He'll get the team to five hundred or better for the first time since week seventeen two thousand sixteen one one thousand one hundred days before if I'm not mistaken that was the last regular season win before the boat incident gay you look that up and as we all know the giants have not been the same franchise since they went on the boat trip before going to Green Bay Okay and losing that playoff game I just am fascinated by Daniel Johns and we have to come up with a new nickname for him and I will take phone calls on this front. I'll take phone calls on any front now. I didn't mention cowboys saints. That's that's an obvious marquee game. I mean that's huge as it gets and I wouldn't sleep on the saints in that one. Is that an unluckiest lock of the week if the saints in that one are they home dogs. They're home dogs but by less than a field goal all right. It's not really unluckiest narrowly unluckiest. His bills would be unlucky wouldn't it bills are in Lockie that morning. I'm already. I'm only circling here. What would the unlocks lock of the week at the touchdown right now? Seven points Sir I bought the cardinals a home dog in Seattle Arnold's our home dog. Would that be an unlucky Lanka. We think so. It's five minus five Tyler Murray getting his first career win against Russell. Wilson sounds like what the football gods would wanNA T- up with all due respect to the twelve out there. It's a pretty fun game. 'cause you know as you know I don't base this on anything other within having a feeling yeah and I get hooked speaking tessies Bengals steelers coming up in a few days who you consult your local listings so that's your week four Joe Buck call in that game in in Green Bay. He's going to be calling in top of our two. Do Shawn Porter showtime. Shawn Porter is a big browns fan. I can't wait to get his two cents on the subject of his one and two team taken on the Ravens and and as you know last year in the one game we saw week seventeen where playoff life for Cleveland was on the line so in a in a way Baker Mayfield verses Lamar Jackson in the first time they met last year must see television Lamar. He's taken his game to a new level and there is no question Baker Mayfield through the first three regained has regressed will discuss that with showtime Shawn Porter when he joins us in studio and our number two Bruce Feldmans GonNa stop by an hour number the three in person what is going on in my Alma Mater and nothing has pissed off Wisconsin fans more after they they beat the brakes to use the phrase of STU and and Dion they beat the brakes off of Michigan and all we're talking about is what's wrong with Michigan and what's going going on Jim Harbaugh as opposed to how Great Wisconsin looked and they did and what Wisconsin's chances are moving forward in the big ten but what is going on there and the big marquee events of your college football weekend appear to be Virginia Notre Dame. USC At Washington so Oh there's also a scandal that's broken out in Kansas that involves the basketball team has touched a little bit on the football team so just when Kansas actually wins a football game here comes an actual scandal so bruce is GonNa join us in studio our number three. We'll talk some college football as well. I'm more than happy to take your phone calls. Throughout the date for four two zero four rich number to dial a holdout is ending it appears maybe in in the National Football Ball League and you know what for all of us we've all had the flu before nothing's worse common off off the flu and hurting your hamstring or when you sneeze with the flu hurt your hamstring and maybe throw your back. We've all done that before engine a little bit yeah because Jalen Ramsey me if it's not one thing it's another he's really having a string of bad luck. Hey man you know in Iran's all that stuff the you know all that stuff about hey we talked it out. Everything's fine. It's all good as Jerry Jones would say it takes two takes two and he doesn't appear to be one in a bid to and that situation is fast turning into a number two show in Jacksonville. That's the way I'm rolling TATA. You're doing. I'm doing great eight four four two zero four rich number dial Chris Brockman news updates phone calls. Our poll question is excellent to we also have a couple of options options on that. We'll get to that in the second. That's next here on this Wednesday. Show that has joe buck showtime Shawn Porter at Bruce Feldman and you hear on the rich Eisen show. Everybody's he's got a to do list drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list and the good thing is you don't have to drop offer pick-up anything. 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Obviously we've all fall in love with Daniel Jones kind of off the board here. which young quarterback would you want want for the next five years young quarterback? Would you want for the next five years. Not your obvious choices here. We're going to Daniel Jones Baker Mayfield as cuyler Murray now Jacoby percents. Oh so once you get mono they forget about you. It's only gonNA while you're not on the field to give us some game tapes that we can't really let's see how good you are me. That makes you stand out as you know in yesterday's show wait till he follows it up with rickets and scurvy dysentery would be unfortunate cholera. Okay I got these are all significant actual illnesses and diseases from the Oregon trail video game right yeah so you're posting the rich Eisen show on twitter vote now. Give us a call Daniel Jones Jones Baker Mayfield cuyler Murray Jacoby percents have we received already knew nicknames from on our rich Eisen. Show twitter feed the I I heard the the Dan Schayes right the the dance. John is a lot to be giving you grief though like being the same guy that tried to push the Matchel and the patch role. Excuse me so you can't really chime in your day. Danny dimes isn't a good nickname okay now to that. May I resort sure thank you short. I have this Richard Shut up. I saw that on Fox News last night. Shut up no here's my retort the Matchel plays as all of his name and rid rid him of a nickname about a beard sugar. This is way before the chugging of the beers became I'm a metric by which quarterbacks are measured in the NFL guy yes so this is just understand how far the first ballot all of Fable Kate. This is. That's how far back it goes so to call him. The match role to remove Mattie is I just assumed knowing him and just seeing his outward demeanor and he's now a CEO Joe face font individual for the Atlanta Falcons. You can't be his Mattie is especially since natural. Ice Beers have been gone essentially essentially right. I mean it's a column right exactly so I tried to help him playing off the name the natural he's the Matchel and then Patrick mahomes showtime. is we own on the spot. We rejected it no matter the fact that his dad called him that back as a kid that just was rejected on the spot on on mass by the Monday night viewing and it's also our second our guests nickname sean showtime porter. I understand that but one I'm saying is those are maybe poor fits but Danny dimes a Duke University quarterback alliteration as a wordsmith. You would appreciate yeah but there's Danny dimes. Again sounds like a goodfellas character johnny two times Danny dimes okay Maury Maury the whig mouth. He wins again this week so he's a gangster. There's no there's no gangster to him. I I don't know if it's available in Mike del Tufo. 's Labyrinth that you have in front aww you Daniel Jones after he shot everybody up on on some. Did you have that Jay. It's okay if you don't don't okay back. He's probably got that deep somewhere. The guy doesn't have a single bone in his body that is outwardly gangster none because it gangster would have come up to the podium and and how do you like me now. Okay right like it's it's magic last year or Aura Lamar Jackson not bad for runningback right not bad for running back. I hear what you have to say. Guess what I use it as an I'm going to destroy my opponents using this fuel. That's IT Donovan mcnabb for Years War your he still does today and I got that the other day when I said Daniel Jones in my sixteen plus years I've never seen a more Kilifi draft choice and I got all the mcnabb stuff booed. I understand bye bye bye. Eagles fans who wanted by the way Ricky Williams Ricky Williams of all people right but one one I would say to that is that mcnabb was before my time hosting the draft and two there is less pot on online by the way that's not the way I was going to finish the sentence that's okay don't worry about it but and to mcnabb nab wore that for years to his benefit and Daniel Jones just didn't it. You just passed on it. There's no Danny dimes to that. Danny Danny dimes would have stepped up to the podium and said hey guess what Danny dimes today. Shut all your piles up. All you back page writers that supposed I didn't have this in me made fun of my goodwill hunting sounding general manager for over for drafting me thanks to falling in love with me three senior bowl snaps. How do you like you know he didn't do that so there's that but the the the Dan Shah's isn't too bad and I'm not sitting here saying the Daniel I will say this but here's the thing that we can move is New York forty on you got to move on didn't work out with the Sanchez and I'm going to you know I understand that I it can be made fun of here on on a show with my own name on it? I I have to be able to take it if I dish it out but I will use a rich Eisen show preemptory to say that that drop up the way it is has got to change because he said and rich you gotta move on. I love you but what you've got to move on and the I love you was edited out. I don't have any recollection bombing really under remember that was you're it was edited to make it seem worse than it was. I think so and I tried to give them one less. The one time I will give you this though and then we can move on that I I strayed and I went too far with the whole match. Nickname was to go to Stafford after Ryan rejected it knowing knowing that those guys are best friends and Stafford if he wanted it now matt has no he's got he's got no nickname stafford know victim nine. Just call you nicknames. You can't just be called by your now it took brady forever to get the TB twelve right yeah he had that create that company and the his brand some guys just don't have a nickname and Daniel Jones is going to be that guy. It does not matter how many times he does what he did. Danny dimes blows us. That is a drop all right. We got bubba Montana Montana. Let's take his call where riffing here. We'll get you news in a second go for BUBBA. What's up man how you doing rick what's going on Bubba well? I'm sitting up here watching some people load. Hey and I was listening to the radio. 'cause we finally got the radio station back up here in Montana but watching some those load. Hey and I think you should call him. I'm Daniel the professor. The professor is not a bad one and so there's also a history in new liked professor on Gilligan's island. Get the ladies eighties you know get the ladies and I called pump up my broncos but only thing they need to pump up the tires on there is there is southbound us so thank you great talk me. I've been watching the crying or a guy like that better than the other fellas may dress in the morning on Sunday bubble bless you you know what the Professor Right now the hazing that barn the professor on Gilligan's silence. I'm looking at a picture right now had a great tan he did. He's Roy wrinkly Casey stangl. There's a history in New York City of being nicknamed the professor professor what was called the professor not a bad one. Dan Daniel Jones taught the bucks a lesson today okay all right. I see where he's the professor he's from Duke. He's a smart guy okay. The best nicknames aren't playing off off of somebody's name and I say that as trying to force the natural for all these years the bus right what a great name the bus because he's taking people to School Jerome Bettis the bus write these down by the way I you can't beat phone calls to begin again with. I'm I'm watching people in the born from Bubba from bubba in Montana love it what's our poll question. Results Okay really stand right here all right which quarterback young quarterback would you want for the next five years and everybody tweeting me Patrick Mahomes and to Shawn Watson Lamar Jackson I get it. They're awesome. We're not debating how great they are. We're talking about these young quarterbacks who are unproven at the moment Daniel Jones Baker Mayfield coury jacoby percent forty four percent Baker Mayfield right now twenty two percent Daniel Jones eighteen percent jacoby seventeen percent cower Moran. Everyone still on Baker everybody's still dylan on him. I mean I think I take was debating if he was overrated or not yesterday after my Gosh Rex Ryan called overrated on get up I'll again but if you rex is season full hype magazine profiles all these commercials got to back it up man. It's just tough for me as a jet fan here rex. It's just tough just tough and I'm sure for bills fans to Ravens fans. They know what he can do oh last. AM to justify to win foxborough you say when rex showed up in New York. It's exactly what the jets needed swagger somebody to say. Hey we've got this town town to Amac Kissing Bill Bell checks rings problem is you got to back that up and the ground and pound jets got as far as the AFC championship game two years in in a row and you have to give it up to rex for that but the the moges disappeared disappeared Gino Smith Mr T. Mike Tannenbaum over over capped the the the team and their window close their window closed and they've just ran into big Ben and Peyton manning but it's tough to hear rex evaluate alleyway quarterbacks you just as once upon a time he knew how to get them off the spot and destroy him and then he just he just couldn't get one just couldn't evaluate him Baker Mayfield you think he's overrated the guy that we let me say I don't. I don't think he's struggling to start this here but he's got a new head coach. I'm telling you the wage rives the ball. He can drive it man. Oh the ball flies out of his hand. He can drive it those those his throws over the middle that takes some time to to develop he can get it in their man. He bails on the pocket t quick what we saw at the other night Aaron Donald can make you do that but I think he's been doing that well. The offensive attacked a man and they gotta have a running game. Nick Chubb is just totally disappeared right. Kareem Hunt comes back in another other six weeks then it'll probably one of those where it takes a week ten eleven twelve actually get his footing under him but will be too late. I mean they could be dude. One and seven seven the next few games are insane but Baker's not al-makassed sit here and sees overrated he was tremendous last year and he's regressing and he's got a first year head coach never done before and it's all in place and figuring out clock management and there might be stuff going on locker room. He's gotTA figure up Freddie Kitchen entity with any of that stuff last year only to do is just attach himself. MM self the hip to Baker Mayfield. He's the one call A. Place. He's figuring out not being the head coach is calling plays with help of Todd Mahnken. It's called the sophomore slump the reason it's GonNa take some time right no power to oh four riches the the number to dial here on the show Let's take a break in in come back and we'll talk about the the issue with Melvin Gordon. That's going on right now. That's next on the rich Eisen. Show every car comes with its share of stories that Ding in your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package you got after a big promotion or the mileage you save by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch how your car's details pop up then answer a few questions navigation moon roof watches they bump up your value high mileage? Your daddy knew it was gonna cost you but now you know how much danger wallets you can plan ahead. Once you're finished. 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NA member FDIC A big W right there Minnesota's magic number to close out the twins to win the centralist to Oakland in the AOL wild card race. They're just a half game in front of Cleveland. 'cause they lost last night. It's a tight race right now. Big Fat Game Amo musical chairs going on in the and L. A. The AO wildcard meanwhile Nina Wildcard. It's the the nats and the and the brewers that's it. We'll see is going to host the other. He's going to host the other as the nats I mean you're talking about the nats eliminated the Philly's last night and perfect sportsman the nats eliminated the phillies. We got a big cardinals fan coming in studio on Friday Billy Bob Thornton way your next season for Goliath and he loves them so much eight four four two zero four rich number dial. I started the show just riffing on the fact that I think the nickname Danny dimes for Daniel Jones blows is the word it should. I should probably choose a better. You know more high brow word for it but you know I don't know what to tell you so the the the I'm Dan Schayes has been used but sanchis I mean can't I guess giants. Fans are never going to go ahead and do that. We've got callers. Sir Giving suggestions to Adam are call screener and hanging up the Duke of dimes not not bad not bad long long wordy. It is the duke has been also suggested him look the ball is nicknamed. The Duke as you know the reason why the ball is nicknamed. The Duke is tipping the cap to the Giants Hall of fame owner Wellington Mara right right so you're not going to name. Nickname Daniel Jones the same nickname as Wellington Mara off of one game or ever. I might add so that's demand that he went to Duke. That's just kinda out. I like another one super eight little film reference pretty good Super Age. We've now officially thrown out there on our twitter food eight four four two zero four rich number two dow the story coming out of here in Los Angeles. I said is Mel Gordon's about to end in his holdout that he could come in right now by today or tomorrow that's the word Ho- likely likely to end hold out soon now when you hear the words likely from a member of the NFL media that's the couch. Don't blame me if he does hearing the likely expected plans to end whole out soon that sort of stuff soon if he comes in now apparently if he shows up today apparently from all observers he would not be ready to go for the chargers at Miami by the way great way to to come back good eats goodness get some stone crabs you know and go eat against the dolphins apparently that and they don't need him to beat the dolphins either as we all know now. That's the biggest spread this week test that is that is that what it is yeah sixteen that said the chargers after that at home for Denver Sunday night home for Pittsburgh at Tennessee at Chicago home for Green Bay at Oakland a Mexican a Mexico game against Kansas the city and then a buy so they could use them. They could use them. Yeah good fresh. Don't make and break their seasons. Intercity is running running away with this thing Kansas City is running away with this thing so and and look you know this. This is why players don't hold out more often if you're Zeke. There's one thing if you're Melvin Gordon. There's another thing you have to know. All the teams history have to know the teams set up. You have to know I guess the whole roll here. I mean you could just see this coming and I I just hope for his sake that the chargers led him wet his beak a little bit to show up. I don't think they will be He's GonNa come back comeback and ball out and put the trunk to do what Dax do and just put the put the chunk of change right on the table and say that's it you need me and if not then then walkaway if you can I mean they might franchise him that doesn't strike me as a team that would franchise running back now if they're if they're gonNA go into the season without out Melvin Gordon right but he also has his fifty year coming up too so there's there's a lot going on with him but he's a good kid and he deserves he deserves to be paid in my mind and he deserves to get what he wants so we'll keep an eye on all that by the time you know what we'll do your news and our number number three because folks WanNa WanNa talk. We're GONNA Joe Buck and showtime Shawn Porter the the the latter will be in studio. We'll do your will you news top of hour number three hundred and apparently we have the same ideas. Peter Schrager did on good morning football. Apparently he thinks Danny dimes blows to really yes so we'll do is we'll spend the next next hour plus building up our own list and will compare notes. He's GonNa call enduring the your news update perfect so just in case anybody's. He's tweeting me that that he did it on good morning. Football just like minds are great is basically what I'm saying CRAIG IN ATLANTA. Let's get you here on the rich tries to show Craig in Atlanta's line three Jay. What's up Greg Yeah eight rich thanks for taking my call what's going on? I just trump survived the heat down. I'm here in Atlanta so I was just gonNa say it's not sexy take but really I say no nicknames for the kids until he's been league for a few years. There's I mean it's you know needs to form that he lied path was just being under the radar because in two weeks he's gotta pay the Vikings and the Patriots and the five day span well. That's Yeah Yeah Danny Danny Pennies that could be that way to you know Craig thanks to call unless somebody comes in from from college with one right if you already have and establish nickname who who's coming from college football nickname I I can't recall Johnny football well done don Bowie Johnny football great nickname but also he was johnny Manziel. It's not like he was Jonathan and started calling him johnny and heels swagger and a certain way about him that caused the I mean mean personality actual name area from which he was common Texas and am fit heisman trophy winner but he wasn't Jonathan Jonathan Menzel and suddenly he's Johnny Football. This is Daniel Jones and now he's Danny dimes. Whatever is your accountant and you're making them cool? I'm on on Oh now. Look I know people have things to do and you want to just say something to Adam are call screener and hang up whoever called in and said his name should be legend. Danny put your name call back and put your name on it legend Danny Legend Danny Jones and the great. You know I mean if it was a cult he could be India India Danny Jones and the temple of doom stuff. He's Anne my Gosh Newton Donnie you stand for goodness Newton in Richmond Virginia here here on the rich Eisen show. It's on Newton. Hey thanks for taking my call well first of all for the poll question I do believe Daniel. Jones is GONNA turn out to be the better one of the younger quarterbacks and that's a little difficult coming from a Dallas Fan but for the nickname situation clearly with a name like Newton. I'm not necessarily in favor of however however came while I will agree that Danny dimes is not not great and I just never did like Johnny football just because I didn't really like Johnny football but the two that I came up with when he's really bad he can be Sukey. Danny Daniel just had went. He's really good. He can be Daniel. Do Right Daniel do right. Thank you Newton thank you Newton and do you think he's been nicknamed fig every now and then every once in a while Danny do right now that sounds like a like like a headline for for the Daily News Danny do right leads giants pass Redskins to two wins first two games you know the new man man in town with two ends like that does sound like a New York headline writers Dream Danny do right but you can't sit here and say okay here comes Danny do right down the field. What a Danny? Do you write play. No you're comes the Matchel game on the line. That's better I'm still I'm still banging the drum man tough. I know he's never going to go for it. Yeah stuff like what do you think Matt Ryan Thinks of Danny dimes. He probably thinks it's pretty likes it. No he doesn't doesn't he probably thinks it's stupid like the rest of the world text him right now. I don't have his number all right appreciate that you think I do. I just assume you're connected. World Arm Wrestling League presents the WWL super match showdown championships in Atlanta where the match role we taking on the titans this weekend stream this pay per view event today at eight eastern or tonight eight eastern time only on be our live. I love it he did but Newton says take Daniel Jones for the for the poll question. I don't know I still have to I still have to sit here and say Baker right or just knowing the system and I'm not saying he's a system quarterback back but Jacoby were set is really been looking terrific. He's really good. That's why I stuck with the colts to win. The South. Even with Andrew Andrew Luck retiring Joe Buck calls from Green Bay showtime Shawn Porter in Studio football season is here and it's time to dominate the competition with your fantasy picks and RJ bells dream preview on comcast sports net. Is your secret weapon. Individually I said the fact they didn't run enough and week one house me this guy so confident. 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Here's Rhonda Jim Belton joins US on sports by Jim of course the former all star pitcher and author a ball four and `bout received the highest honor of his career when he was featured in the sports one hundred the one hundred most important people in American sports history published by Macmillan and of course during his playing career of ten seasons in the majors seven of those were with the Yankees and a nine hundred sixty three one twenty-one gains with the New York Yankees and also made the All star team and I think most people probably have read at least once ends ball four and JIM is out with a brand new book called Foul Ball G._M.. First of all let me start with a Pittsfield Massachusetts. Can you let everybody know since that's kind of the heart of this book and story. Can you describe it for everybody. where it is is one? It's like what type of town is what baseball means to that town. It's field as as a blue collar town of about fifty thousand people in the heart of the Berkshire Mountains <hes> which is <hes> very <hes> very cultural area in in <hes> in western Massachusetts <hes> it's a town that's <hes> border north and south by <hes> towns that are booming <hes> because of the tourist attractions that they have all the Cultural Cultural Events Tanglewood Jacob's pillow Shakespeare and company etc but <hes> but these these events <hes> the people that come to this part of the country to attend those cultural events generally go past Pittsfield <hes> so the carrying all around Pittsfield but not in Pittsfield pittsfield claim to fame was its Ballpark Cona Park and it's a baseball tradition baseball has been played at the park since eighteen ninety two. It has one of the oldest ballparks in America. It's one of the last of the wooden ballparks and <hes> and that's the story of Pittsfield you know it was once a G._e.. Town <hes> was the headquarters of their transformer division <hes> G._e.. Once employed Loyd of thousands of people <hes> the population of the town has dropped from about sixty five thousand down to about forty five thousand now in the town struggles to move past its industrial base to a more service economy economy sometimes when people write about towns. It's from the outside looking in but that's not the case with you Jim. You and Paula lived there. How long have you lived in Pittsfield or we've we've lived <hes> in South Berkshire County about a half an hour south of Pittsfield okay <hes> for the last ten years and <hes> and so has my partner <hes> chippy litter and <hes> we were we were we had the idea to save this old ballpark up in Pittsfield which was being threatened with abandonment right by the building of a new baseball stadium in the center of town foul ball with the subtitle of my life and hard times trying to save an old ballpark is the name of the new book from Jim Bowden? Let's talk about what Cona Park a hundred and eleven years old the longest surviving minor league park in America. Take us on sight sound and smell tour of what Kinda Park well. It's <hes> it's <hes> it's ranked as one of the top baseball viewing experiences in the country and this includes major and minor league stand May <hes> fields <hes> it's called <hes> a great baseball cathedral are Rockwell esque <hes> step back in time and it is a step back in time. It's <hes> you know you walk. Walk into the Ballpark and you feel like you could be back in the nineteen twenties. The stands are very close to the field <hes> it's <hes> as I said it's a wooden ballpark and <hes> they are <hes> a couple of stuff AL's hanging hanging from the rafters to ward off pigeons <hes> it's it's just a it's a fun. It's a very cozy place. <hes> your you almost WanNa just spend the whole day there. What level of baseball is played there well over the years <hes> Ron? It's been several different levels. <hes> mostly Class A baseball but <hes> there were a number of years where it was a AA <hes> AA team in the eastern League <hes> a for the last ten years it had been affiliated Baseball Class A affiliated baseball. It was the home of the Pittsfield mets whose owner then wanted to move to a new baseball stadium in nearby Troy New York and so the citizens of Pittsfield were we're faced with what I call America's most costly hostage crisis you know this a new stadium or you'll never see your team again and this is of course happening all across the country in small towns and big towns and <hes>. It's a you you know it's it's just an outrage and <hes> our plan for Saving Cona Park was that we would invest money our own private <hes> investor money in in renovating the old ballpark and what's more we would buy a team team in the independent Northern League. That's another league that plays in the area this is I guess equivalent to doubly baseball. It's not affiliated with Major League Baseball but these are independent teams and we were going to buy a team in this league and sell stock to the people of Pittsfield and the surrounding area so that Pittsfield would have a locally owned ball team and its own restored Ballpark <hes> and then they could never be threatened with <hes> losing their team if they didn't build a new stadium Gee gee what a novel idea and it makes all the sense in the world but but what made too much <hes> we were opposed by a small group of willful powerful people in town <hes> <hes> I call them the gang of four local newspaper the Berkshire Eagle Berkshire Bank the largest law firm in town Kane Hibbard Myers and cook and General Electric who is still the largest employer in town and these are the people who run the community. They wanted to build a new baseball stadium on property owned coincidentally by the newspaper <hes> and of course <hes> if this happened the old ballpark would just <hes> rot away because the city didn't have enough money need to keep it up. It's nine million dollars in debt and it's <hes> finances are being financials are being over or being supervised by State Oversight Board so this is the city that could use all the help it can get. We came forward Lorde with an idea. They couldn't refuse and they refused it. Yeah the quote was the only people who didn't like it. Where the mayor the mayor's handpicked parks commissioners a majority of the city council the only daily newspaper in town the city's largest bank? It's most powerful law firm and a guy from General Electric everyone else or approximately ninety four percent of the citizens of Pittsfield Massachusetts loved it. Why doesn't the majority speak in this case well because for a very simple reason we don't have democracy in Pittsfield and <hes> I'm beginning to wonder if we have it in in to very many other towns in this country? You know this issue of stadium. A new stadium is something that the tax payers pittsfield voted against three different in times and they still couldn't kill this idea <hes> and this is happening in different towns around the country where tax payers citizens vote against new stadiums and yet they're forced to to have them because <hes> powerful people in town. Make sure at these stadiums get built so they're they're usually pushed through <hes> by lame duck mayors and <hes> you know City Council's Obscure Obscure Committee chairman etc and it did very hard to kill these new stadiums with the powerful groups that are behind them but taxpayer dollars are the ones that build the stadiums and as I understand it you had to deal with threats conspiracy toxic waste slanted journalism in a city government that operates rates out of a bar I was interested in the last one bar in in <hes> in Pittsfield Colle Delle gallows and this is where this is where the major decisions are made <hes> and it's not just me saying that <hes> a couple a couple of city councilman said that's where the decisions are made and I said to a state Senator Andy Nusa Farro. I said Andy I said. Are you aware that the decisions in Pittsfield are being made at a bar he said I know that so so that's just a that's part of the fun on the nonsense of the whole thing you know I just couldn't believe <hes> they had the situation here most importantly I think the most powerful force in town was the newspaper This property this this baseball stadium was going to be built on property that they owned in the center of town <hes> and <hes> I said to a city councilman <hes> or city councilman said to me that they couldn't consider our proposal the proposal of my partner partner and I couldn't consider it until they were released by the publisher of the local newspaper who was guy by the name of Andy Mic so I went to Andy Mic and I said Andy the city council says that <hes> that <hes> that they can't consider proposal until you you release them. He says well. I can't do anything until you talk to my boss and Denver Colorado that's Dean Singleton head of the Media News Group chain that owns the Berkshire Eagle so here with the people of Pittsfield with almost a hundred year the tradition of baseball <hes> and and the the legacy of of the sport is now in the hands of a guy in Denver Colorado. It's at that point. I decided I'd better start taking notes. Jim Belton has joined us. He has a wonderful new book out called Foul Ball My life and hard times trying to save an old ballpark and then old ballpark is in Pittsfield Massachusetts one hundred eleven years old the longest surviving Minor League Park in America Will Cona Park. We'll talk more about this wonderful wonderful book and I urge everybody to read it. You will love it as we continue across the country and around the world with you on sports byline if you or a loved one is suffering from physical or emotional condition that has left you unable to work and listen carefully. 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If you haven't heard the Oklahoma City Thunder they've agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul First Round picks twenty twenty four and twenty twenty six pick swaps in twenty twenty one twenty twenty-five and also it's reported that the fifteen percent trade kicker as part of Westbrook's contract has been voided the Miami me he had also been in contention for Westbrook services but both the heat in the thunder reached a stalemate in recent days due to Miami's reluctance to include their younger players in a trade package and that trade reunites Westbrook with James Harden with whom he he played during their early years with the thunder from two thousand nine until two thousand twelve also after winning three Super Bowl rings in New England Richard Say Moore was on the verge of possibly adding another piece of coveted jewelry to his personal collection a diamond bracelet which goes to the winner of the main event of the two thousand nineteen world series of Poker <hes> poker although say more came close to collecting the bracelet he won't be taking it home after being eliminated in the tournament during the fifth day of Action Action say more went into the day with two point seven five million dollars trips <hes> but he ended up losing them all to finish in one hundred and thirty first place and although that might not sound impressive it was an incredible showing for say Moore who outlasted asked to ninety eight percent of the field and that brings you up to date on our sports byline U._S._A.. U._S._A. Scoreboard we love watching sports but these days it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games now with the new sport flip APP. You can receive real time customize notification so you know when you're games are back after commercial break period change or rain delay download sport flipped from the APP store today and watch more sports get Boughton has joined us here on sports byline the former all star Star pitcher and the author of a book called Foul Ball Jim. I'm just wondering at this point in your life. Why another windmill for Don Quixote well? You know I've been trying to stay out of trouble. I really really have this. This is my first diary since ball four and that was that was thirty thirty year over thirty years ago <hes> and I wasn't intending to write a book <hes> we just went to <hes> to the community with an idea and it was only after we were opposed so so so strongly and <hes> without reason without logic that <hes> I decided to keep notes and even at that time I didn't know that I would have a book in it but the story just you know fell into my lap <hes> and these our opponents were so comically stupid. I remember my partnership Ballitser <hes> saying at one point you can't by opponents like this so it was either <hes> I mean these people were begging to have a musical comedy written about. Doubt it was just a book. You know what's interesting. Jim <hes> the mix of sports in politics. I mean stupid well. I guess you could say dumb and dumber right. Yes that just accounts for a couple of city councilman. Take us through the legacy of this word. Is it stand now. What what is the battle? What is it been like well <hes> the the ballpark after after a summer long campaign in which my partner and I spent virtually every single day a twelve hours a day fourteen hours a day <hes> turning this into a campaign because every day we would have to go up to Pittsfield and correct misinformation that was being printed about our proposal about us in the local newspaper <hes> showing up at Council meetings at the Park Commission meetings Rotary Meetings <hes> working around the clock? It was quite an adventure and we hardly slept some nights. It was sending faxes back and forth to each other at three o'clock in the morning we would read an editorial in the newspaper on the online version at midnight and we'd have a response to that by four o'clock in the morning and we'd go on the air at nine o'clock on a radio show countering editorial that hadn't appeared in the newspaper yet and I said I said to my wife at one point I said who else but chipping I could do this kind of thing and my wife said single people mostly and Paula in a sense. Has she not been. How would you describe her involvement in this effort well both of our wives my chippy? Let's is wife Cindy and my wife Paula were are sort of <hes>. They provide the comic relief in this book a lot of it anyway they. They didn't think we had a chance in the beginning and then there's sort of telling us that <hes> you know forget about it and of course Japan I optimistic we think we're going to get the ballpark and of course it turns out in the end. Their wives were right all along <hes> so at the end of the summer of two thousand and one which is time during which are campaign was launched <hes> at the end of the summer the Parks Commissioner Parks Commission voted unanimously to give the lease on the ballpark not to us but to our opponent one of our opponents Jonathan Fleiss it and the reason they gave it to Fleiss was because he didn't really want to be there. Fleiss is one of these guys who was <hes> had a dormant franchise in this northern Southern League this independent league and he's been shopping around trying to get some community to build a new stadium. He tried hard through Springfield Brockton Westchester. Nobody would build a new stadium so we made a deal with the leaders of Pittsfield basically <hes> <hes> they wanted to Park Fleiss Iq and in we're Cona Park to block us out and <hes> and he's happy to sit there and wait until the new stadium gets built. He hasn't been drawing flies at the ballpark because the people were so in love with our plan plan so resentful that they would give it to this other guy <hes> Fleiss ick <hes> that they don't want to watch the Games so what place to do now is he. The <HES> petunias millionaire who stood up before the <hes> the town folks and said I'm not <hes> fighting okay. I'm about the community and charity and making these things work okay and your wife had a great response. Yes she said <hes> you know he's got a beautiful speaking voice. The only problem is then he speaks they tell you it was one one very you know marvelously funny and <hes> and sad experience all at once but <hes> once in a while in your life you get you get handed one of these stories and <hes> you have no choice but to tell yeah I sense that this was a if you had to follow up all four that this was the only type of story that you could follow it up with. Oh Yeah. There were only two experiences in my life that I felt. I had to write a book well first of all. I wanted to write a book. I wanted to write about a season in the bigly here. I felt I had to write a book. You know part of the drama and part of the back story of this book <hes> which I haven't mentioned yet is that the <hes> I I made a guest early on about why they were insisting on building a baseball stadium on this particular piece of property owned by the newspaper and I told him Paul I said you know. I wonder if that's a toxic waste dump. You Know Jeeze Been Dumping P._C._B.'s in Pittsfield since the nineteen thirties. He's trying to cover something up here. A Baseball Stadium doesn't go down into the ground it sits on slabs and you've got the big outfield you know <hes> and it turned out after I started writing the book this is after they had decided to give the Ballpark to our opponent corner. I started writing the book and a couple of months after that <hes> an environmentalist friend of mine who had been <hes> you know trying to find out the history of this particular property the environmental history discovered a document that the department treatment of environmental protection in Pittsfield in Springfield Massachusetts that showed that property was in fact polluted in other words. The local newspaper is trying to palm off polluted property and they never told the people of Pittsfield at this property was polluted. It may be one of the other things they were thinking about as they wouldn't have to put lights there for Nike that would just kind of glow in the dark what they're thinking was. Are you still interested in getting this ballpark and doing what you said you wanted to do. Jim Well Not really <hes> you know. We had such a battle. You know we were worn out. It was an exhausting experience. <hes> it really affected <hes> you know our lives and <hes> you know our wives could hardly put up with it anymore more. They were very they were always there with us when we needed him at the big meetings they showed up and they were supporting us but boy. I'll tell you it took a lot out of us and <hes> you know we kept going. We wanted to as we said at one point you know now it's a challenge college. We have plumbed the depths of their unreasonable as it turned out that that there was no bottom to it but would we go back again. I don't know we don't we don't want to you know we don't want to go back and do battle why we'd have to be. I I guess the only terms we would go back back there with our with a plan for park with a local newspaper got sold and the other three members of the gang of four you know invited gave us a gold plated invitation then I guess we'd have to think about it and maybe if they changed the government out of a different bar yeah move it to a different the open meeting law was flaunted as a visit something in Massachusetts called the open meetings law. We're all meetings that take place have to be held out in the open. We'll that was nonsense. There was never an open it was never a meeting with the with the citizens were able to engage in any kind of dialogue with the city <hes> with with a city Councilman Order Park Commission. It was just it was a total farce. We have a little bit over a minute before we have to break again but is there right bigger message here for the relationship between sports teams and cities and stadiums well. You know I didn't this was not my intention but <hes> now that I've been through this experience and I see it up close and I realized that this is happening. Putting all over the country in the last fifteen years have been one hundred thirteen new minor league ballparks not to mention all the new Major League ballparks in almost every instance the citizens don't want these ballparks parks are forced forced upon them. They're not allowed to vote on them. <hes> and they do everything they people. Who've proposing these new stadiums do everything they can to keep it off the ballot they challenge <hes> petitions and <hes> they don't want referendums randoms most? I'm democratic process. I've ever seen and it's a massive corporate welfare. You know <hes> an estimated sixteen billion dollars has been spent on new sports arenas in the last fifteen years at the expense of schools with hospitals fire departments. People don't want these new stadiums in many in most cases. They prefer to just refurbish the old stadium. If it's necessary I agree with you. Jim Belton has join us. We'll continue talking about this wonderful new book from him. It's called foul ball my life and hard times trying to save an old ballpark and as Jim said you could not ask for a better story line that is real life we continue across the country and around the world on the American Forces Radio Network the Internet and Sirius Satellite Radio. We've got John Sports Byline at twenty eight. I'd struggled with opiate and Meth addiction for twelve years. I didn't said things that the sober me never would have done when I realized I was not on invincible was not exempt and that's when a friend told me about the Rehab Place when they gave me the tools I needed to get sober and all it took was the one phone call elite Rehab can help you start to break your addiction problem and get sober in as little as seven days and we'll work with your insurance provider to help cover the costs plus. 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He's really just sublimating sublimating his grief over the nineteen ninety-seven death of his daughter Laurie in a car accident. He's discreet about it only once or twice mentioning how bereft he sometimes feels but foul ball nevertheless succeeds as among other things a profoundly moving account of how a man copes with the UN <hes> breakable shock of outliving his child unmistakably well. Kona isn't the only ruined Boughton is trying to salvage your thoughts about what he said. Well you know I hadn't I hadn't even the thought of that <hes> until I read it in the paper and <hes> when I showed it to my wife she said I knew that I knew that I guess <hes> at one point <hes> it's a diary of our summer summer so it's a lot of dialogue between my wife and I and my partner and I and one point I said to my wife. I said you know this is the this is the most alive I've really felt since since Laurie died I just you know I just I feel like I'm I'm all their now my energies back and and <hes> and she said I know she said I'm. I'm really grateful for that. I'm glad to see that so. I think David Kippen was realizing something I read in the book that I hadn't even realized when I when I was writing it what are you thinking was that gave him that impression and that others may come away with the same impression. I you know I think what happens is that is that when you when you when you write it when you do a diary diary and your and your writing down everything <hes> and that's your focus is to not miss anything that's going on around you. <hes> one of the things that it makes you a really good observer but I think what happens is while you're doing that. You're not really looking looking inside yourself very often. So you end up writing something that's far more revealing than than you thought and I think this is a this is true of a lot of art not just not just written words but the music and <hes> and painting <hes> people will create something and and they won't fully understand what they've created. It takes someone else to look at it and say you know what I see. In here. I see this and <hes> because the creative process it's a very strange thing you're not always aware of of what of what you're doing. What what's the meaning of it or what the impact is going to be until until long after you've done it when you were out here the last time you and I talked a little bit about the passing Lurie and and what it meant to you and just since I know you so well and just an observation and if you think I'm wrong about this? Please correct me on it but I'm just wondering the natural tendency for a parent is to protect their child and not being able to do anything anything about protecting Laurie passing away in a car accident but yet the effort that you put in trying to save this ballpark. Is there a correlation about the effort that you made here that maybe makes you feel better about what you couldn't do for Laurie. You know I I haven't even thought of that but you've added another another another thing to think about <hes>. I you know just just hearing this for the first time from you I it you know it does it does register as possibly that's it yeah <hes> I think a parent does feel like they're. They're always responsible even if their kid once they once they get to be adults they're still still your children and on some level you feel like you still need to to do everything you CANTU. Protect them or save them <hes> and so and so here I I was <hes> expending that that energy on something that I was able to to try and save or resurrect you know the reason why I I say that is that there is something good. I mean if you were to I know they're going to be millions of people listening all over the world. They're going to hear the story about this ballpark and it's like saving a puppy dog or saving a child or saving something that is something that's good and so I think that knowing you as that you need to have a just cause just like your ball. Four was adjust cost in a sense telling us like it. Is I really Kinda. Get that correlation there now. This is just an outsider looking at it. No one has do Jimmy well. <hes> you could be right. I might be a cause person. You know as I said. I don't think I was looking for this but it just stumbled in there it was and <hes> I don't know when the next excellent come along. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do expose of a nursing home and let me ask you about why this is a self published book well <hes> and this is this is the last chapter of the book I mean the book net didn't seem to end <hes> it it deals with the issue of pollution. <hes> I had signed a contract with my publisher Public Affairs <hes> and <hes> in the last fall <hes> October of last year here are the book was finished and <hes> the publisher was excited about it. They wanted it to be their number. One Book of the Spring of this year <hes> I was going to be the lead book in the Catalog Etcetera Etcetera and they were happy about it and then the publisher sat down with me get lunch and told me that I would need to get balancing comments from General Electric for about the things I was saying about them in the book and they said well G._M.. Only they only refer to them. In ten pages. It's backstory. It's not the major story and besides I didn't get <hes> balancing comments from Major League Baseball and football. I'm not GONNA do that with General Electric. Then he said that a friend of his adopt the top lawyer General Electric and he was going to be investing in public affairs a week later the editor who had been working on in this book told me I had to be removed all references to pollution in general electric and I said well you can forget about that. <hes> I'm not doing that and <hes> I finally was able to get my termination letter from them. Took me three months to get it during which which by the way <hes> the lawyer for the publisher told my agent I could keep half of my advance if I promise not to say why I was leaving public affairs I told my agent I said I don't know what my price silence is but I know it's not twenty five thousand dollars so <hes> <hes> I ended up <hes> it was too late for me to now find another publisher because it took me so long to get my termination letter that I was forced to publish the book myself and I you know I'm glad I did. I you know I have more control over it and <hes> I got it out Aaron time. It's <hes> you know came out in early June when it was supposed to and <hes> you know I'm very pleased with the book doesn't look like a self published book. No it does not and again reading another review. It was said that both books meaning foul ball and ball four are also about American society and transition isn't indeed. I don't know I don't know what <hes> how the book will be viewed over a period of time I do know from experience with both for and that is that when you capture <hes> a subculture when you capture a particular <hes> segment of society <hes> if you do it accurately and you have lots of quotes and you and you really really and you get it all down <hes> it. It's a it's a rare thing. Not many people have <hes> you know that kind of inside access which I had with baseball I also had with this particular story here so I've got comments from parks. Commissioners and city councilmen and mayors and State Senators have have <hes> you know quotes and things from people that nobody else would have have <hes> have the ability to get and <hes> you know when you have something like that. You now have a document that records something how how something actually works from the inside. I don't know how many how many of those there are out there. How many people have really documented <hes> the reality of of <hes> of of of a local political situation like this? I know it's been said that you're still having trouble with authority. Figures I see a little bit differently. I see you as a very principled person and that when you see something wrong you're going to do that battle yeah. The funny thing is run you know when my partner and I had our plan we didn't go to the people who have been opposing a new stadium in town. We went to the new stadium guy we went to the power boys. We went to the insiders. We said hey here's an idea run with it. We'll help you you know take our ball and bat hit the home run you can you guys can be the hero so we we wanted to play ball. We we didn't WANNA have to fight and <hes> they forced us to fight. What's been the reaction to the books of Lar- Well <hes> I guess the most gratifying reaction is from the people who live in Pittsfield and this is <hes> they're they're reading this book and passing it around <hes> and the response from the people of Pittsfield if I could put it in one word would be a collective yes? Somebody finally told our story you know in Pittsfield <hes> person and Fizio could have never written this book first of all they might. They probably wouldn't have had the access but more important they need need. The people who are running the community <hes> unemployment is high in this town and <hes> everybody that lives there counts on <hes> on the on the power brokers to either provide a job from them for them or a cousin or neighbour Father Ankle <hes> and so they can't speak out that the risk of being fired and <hes> and so they can't reach me <hes> you know here I don't. I don't need the Berkshire Eagle. I don't need anybody in Pittsfield for you know for my livelihood <hes> and so I'm able to write the story and tell the story that wouldn't have been told otherwise you know the Berkshire Eagle thought they were going to write the history of this story well they <hes> they got another guest coming knowing the historical aspect of New England and having lived in Massachusetts in Boston for a period of my career as well <hes> you know they used to burn books. This is supposed to be New England. <hes> you know the the home of democracy and <hes> my experience here has been. It's the furthest thing from democracy we I learned we pretty good about preaching it but we're really good. We're really not very good at practicing. I could see people kind of sneaking it in a brown bag up. Have you read the book here it is there was a writer for the Berkshire Eagle who got an advanced copy of the book. I handed it to him. In two days later. I saw him on the street and I said what do you think he said well <hes> here take this book back. It's better that I don't have and if he had written a glowing review of He'd be working somewhere else now what has been the fact <hes> on Jim Bowden's life this book and this whole Holand in effort and encounter well <hes> it's been three. It's a three year project. That realized run. I first year is going through the experience. The second year is spent writing about it and now the third year which I'm just embarking on here is <hes> is <hes> is promoting. You know you can't just write a book these days you have to go out there and sell it and <hes> you know make sure it's in stores and make sure people read it that it gets reviewed and so it's <hes> you know that's the third the third leg of the stool <hes> and <hes> and so that's what I'm going through now but this is the fun part. It's relaxing. I don't feel like <hes> you know. I don't feel like I have to drive up the Pittsfield again tonight like I did or I don't feel like I have have to spend all night long at my computer. <hes> you know the pleasurable part is fielding email messages from people who really enjoyed it and friends in Pittsfield and talking to people like you Ron and and being on shows and traveling around. I didn't speak into library groups. I mean this this. This is the fun part got about thirty seconds buzzer. Is there anything about this whole experience. It's crystallized in your mind and we'll be there forever. I think it's <hes> I think it's a little too early to tell l.. <hes> but <hes> as I said at diary has a far-ranging impacts <hes> and the the more time goes by the more impacted has because it becomes the most accurate look back at a time or an experience and that's why the diaries of the civil war soldiers of the most important documents they have to record what actually happened Jim. It's the next book I'm going to read. It's called foul ball my life and hard times trying to save an old ballpark mark. Thank you very much. We're GONNA make it a selection in our sportsbook corner as well. I urge everybody to pick it up and read it. It's a wonderful book. Thank you Jim Thank you as always Jim Bounden the author of this book. We'll take a quick break. Come back and continue across the country and around the world with you on sports byline. Do you have a problem hearing to television. Do you need to crank up the volume so loud your family screaming at you then put on your T._v.. Ears T._v.. Ears has helped millions so people just like you hear T._v.. Loud and clear without breaking the volume for about sixty bucks for the Thirty Day free trial you can get your own Center T._V.. Ears when you wear TV ears you can mute the TV volume for private listening or that others watch TV with Hugh Order in the next ten minutes and take us up on our thirty day home trial and very special price T._v.. 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They said as a League we want players that are actually playing so if you aren't playing and can't play or you have health issues. We don't want you Kansas. City royals announced that they were promoting outfielder Bubba starling starling to the major leagues on Friday against the Detroit Tigers starling is best known for being the number five pick in the loaded two thousand eleven draft. He was one of three players chosen in the top thirty who hadn't yet reached the major leagues and also a Saints Rookie Carl granderson. He has been sentenced to six months in jail. After a judge rejected a plea deal that had previously been agreed upon by granderson legal team granderson was charged with one count of third degree sexual assault. One account of sexual battery and grant was charged after two female victims allege that he touched them sexually without their consent and also if you haven't heard again the Oklahoma City thunder they have agreed to trade a Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul also first round picks and twenty twenty four and twenty twenty six and pick swaps in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty-five again that announcement coming late on Thursday and that's your sports update. We love watching sports but these days it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games now with a new sport flip APP. You can receive real time customize notification so you know when you're games are back after commercial break period change or rain delay download sport flip from the APP store today and watch more sports. I've been sitting in his see for almost thirty one years in so you can imagine all the athletes I've had the honor and the privilege of talking to hearing not only about their careers but also about their lives as well and if you have not heard Jim Belton passed away at the age of eighty very surprising to me had not heard that he was in bad health and of course I think most people remember him for a number of things he played in the major leagues for a while but also wrote that controversial book controversy was far as players. Reading it because they felt he had given away some secrets from the locker room. It was called ball four and he also. I'm glad you didn't take it personally wrote that book as well. I hope you enjoy the interview with him. Out of our library we continue with more of view and sports byline. This is Bryan Alvarez with wrestling observer live join me and Mike Zimmer V.. 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What are the names you mentioned Bill Russell <hes> at the climate for me kind of that set the stage my dad actually went to acclimatise school and <hes> he was always talking about Bill Russell and this and that and <hes> I think it was nineteen sixty two went to the tournament of champions which at that time was playing harmon gym and the climate was playing <hes> sacred heart? The one of the San Francisco Schools Joe Ellis was playing guy by the name of Jim Colliver and I'm watching the game. It was just so exciting and I I mean I already enjoy playing basketball. That's really when the bug hit me so oh you know I I just refer back to Bill Russell and I always talk about how you know you could talk about the greatest player ever this that there was no greater winners and Bill Russell it just seems like he always came Amo on winning teams and <hes> so I got bit by the bus then and <hes> Kinda caught between playing baseball basketball but <hes> by the time I got to Willard Senior High School is all about basketball and Berkeley high had pretty good tradition there billy Robinson Silicon Nukem <hes> gary pain guys did <hes> about four five years. They had these intact Danny eight next year. They had a great game <hes> if the T._L._C. Champ Championship game playing climate the Berkeley is so that you know that kind of set the tone for me and we'd go to throw streetcars have play sometimes downtown the venture in Oakland at play there but you know you can always get a game on the outdoor courts and you know it was a it was a learning fares. It was a lot of fun very let me ask you a little bit more about bill. Oh because <hes> you know he was a guy. I got to know him pretty well when is doing the sonics play by play and he was the coach of the Sonics at that time and we have a lot of you know had a lot of discussions about him growing up as a pro basketball player so you're the best the person to ask breakdown his game for me. What is it that he did that was so unusual and special well first of all he had a very uncanny and unique skill definitely <hes> his timing is he is <hes> quickness Fateh removed and things that people talk about now you know because you break it down you have film and all that but but the one thing that really stands out with him and I they just about the really great players that I've met it happened missile tough and regardless of what you do on one play that's not going to define the rest of the game for for for him for the great place and they'll go just bilking win against Germany when it gets Bellamy? What can you know some great centers of that time and it seemed like he constantly always say place and he seemed to have have the ability? I I became friends with Sam Jones and I love this this damn tell me stories about those Boston teams and one thing seems pretty pertinent. Is that Bill Russell had it's something that was contagious and it's Fred to you know to happen. Check to the not to say that they didn't have confidence but I think his presence gave them that much more of a confidence and and I always remember San telling me stories about when they went into to the forms play the Lakers <hes> game seven and they had the balloons and he said he saw that they had U._S._C. Fan the play. Oh happy days again something and <hes> he came back in until bill and he did something to the sex is one thing I know there's so when they're going to win this game they don't you know so he always felt like it was that kind of mental toughness that set him apart from from other players at that level the mental toughness because everybody is physically gifted and talented when you get to the pros but it's Mitt guys that have the mental toughness and for the fight through <hes> you know bad situations and they able to overcome adversity and I I just feel like that at anybody that's ever played the game Berkeley High School and you didn't have to go very far away to play your college ball stayed right there in Berkeley and played a cow. Why cow over anybody else you know I I just felt like we had the potential to have <hes> a winning tradition of course you sell eight was winning every year and I still like I wanted to be a part of breaking that trend was we didn't do yeah but I got champ to team up with Johnny Johnson? WHO Would Jackie Bridge? Both those guys were year ahead of me. <hes> anxiously truitt from <hes> <hes> over in San Francisco he came and and <hes> you know so Earl Robinson was also coaching there. He was the assistant coach and he was a freshman coast and of course earl was <hes> <hes> Berkeley high headcount alum and you know my family knew pretty well so it just made sense to me to go to first base to cow and and like I said I had dreams of you know possibly being team a lot of the gain the defeating L._A.. Yeah I wanted to ask you about <hes> the N._B._A.. In the sense do you remember the moment Phil when you said you know what I can play basketball at the next level in a what I'll tell you the truth. I don't think it it wasn't until I got to the end you know and even then there's always those questions on your mind yet. You'd feel confident yet. U U <hes> you know reach those and you act your you know set precedents for yourself but there's always that next level you always wanted to do a little bit more and for for us championships but you know the one thing that stands out is I had a very good junior year account and I was invited along with Truitt <hes> we were invited to the Panamerican Camp and that's what they have players from all over the country playing and I did well. I you know I feel that should have made the team change didn't but I was being players for Lord of Chicago Detroit all place and <hes>. I don't like I held my own every time I stepped out there I I it was something I could do. Ah Offset the next person so there was a certain amount of confidence but to say that I knew I was going to be in Hindi a fromm. You know there's always that that the and I think it's a good place to says. Hey you gotta work a little bit harder. All you gotTa do a little bit more so <hes> I I ended up getting faster than that. Hardship case got drafted <hes> by the bullets and the first day I go in you know I was about three every week behind everybody because <hes> it was a hardship draft. It was a special draft Lima Plan. I was supposed to be drafted by Chicago. The Bulls but instead the bullets drafted me so oh my journey cat to kind of bend time associate and get the contract with them. By the time I got into training camp <hes> it was about three or four days before the season open and change coach and I when he ran me crazy and I was I was playing with Earl Monroe Freddie Carter Kevin Loughry's Gus <hes> last John Transplant Jack Marin and you know they just come awesome being in the finals with Milwaukee so I watched him watched the New York in the seven game that the conference play also it was like all of a sudden. I just watch these guys on T._v.. Playing and now you're playing with it so it was a good feeling somewhat. Jimmy Dean one lesson I had is I I came into contact with some really good. Positive mentoring type of guys and <music> hurled took me in right away. Gus was like a big brother to me John Transparent West <hes> at so I came to Jean that was very mature. That was very confident and they didn't feel threatened by. I don't get coming in and it's back. They did what they could to make media confidence so that I was able to let them rather quickly and <hes> you know I was always grateful. All those guys <hes> you know for how they allow you to grow as developing quick gene shue as well <hes> developing the Phil Chenier is with us. We're talking about his outstanding ten year career which he won an N._B._A.. Championship and we'll continue on as we move across the country and around the world. We've got you on sports byline. It has been said that everyone has a book in them but you have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that you want to pass. It's on the form of a book to help others. Maybe you WANNA leave autobiography for your family or maybe you built a successful business and you want to share your story at Dorrance Publishing Company. 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Here's Rod Dr Phil Chenier is with us on sports byline the former shooting guard who played in the N._B._A. for ten seasons. We're GONNA be talking about his N._B._A.. Championship they went to the N._B._A.. Finals three times one once and we'll talk about that championship season season in just a moment. Tell me a little bit about the play in the N._B._A.. At that time well first of all the more physical and not compared to going by the way the rules were because because you could you allowed to hand check you allowed to physically <hes> and check your offense component of so that in itself <hes> you know make the game a lot more physical and gene shue was very good at helping me prepare me for that next days because in College of course you couldn't you couldn't be physical but in the pros that was the case and he was saying hey you gotta get used to that kind of context guys. Put put their hands on you. They're gonNA lean on gotta be able to you know pay quick elevate and feel that pressure but still concentrate on your shot and <hes> <hes> you know he's getting used to but you know that that was the way the game I think also didn't have nearly as much isolation as you see now and it's not good or bad. It's just different and it's the way the game displayed obviously for the most part is only to my last year that they have the report shot and it took about ten or fifteen years before teams started to aggressively utilized that shot the first couple the year I mean the shooting percentages were horrendous and you didn't have guys who could shoot that grains like they can't now so. It's very difficult to their players Denver now. Because I concept a whole goal was to get as close as we come to the good you get a shadow now. It's the back up you know to the three point line and get that extra points and you have players like you said Damian you mean Lillard for stepping play on out here we have Bradley beal guys can since three four five behind the three point line with accuracy and she jumps out not he shot like us from half four visa jump shots so you know the game has changed the rules the concept of James <hes> I think we we had a better brand of using five players. We would have three four options. Sometimes of a single place took one option away. He would have a second one third that you knew you had the coaches <hes> and then every now and then game still with great down to one. Oh One and you try to you know utilize your ban ban on dance skills. Let me ask about the seventy five N._B._A.. Finals you go up against the Golden State Warriors. You're swept in four games. You were led by yourself west. One celled Elvin Hayes and you were coach by Casey Jones after you had a chance after that was over with and maybe even to this day. You still don't understand why it happened that way the four-game sweep. What did you come away with in that series well? It was a very. A painful experience me that obviously I'm happy that once fifty games we got to the final but it really left a bitter taste and they'll hats off to the wars players they had been various various way. They have outstanding place Bill Smith no college teammate Charlie Johnson <hes> Garrick dickey Lipford Gray <hes> well nothing push near you know they ain't got about ten guys they were throwing at <hes> rethought Jimmy Jones with a big part of us set that year <hes> and he he play in the backcourt along with me and Kevin Water <hes> but you know the warriors play the time and I was I was really painfully her after that hand but I thought that we would have another opportunity and you know of course we did go back to the finals and seventy the eight seventy nine but my personal experience wasn't as fortunate. I had that problem so I just all of the seventy eight playoffs and I played very briefly in the seventy nine playoffs so <hes> as it turns out you never take anything for granted because that was my best and my best opportunity to be a part on the floor <hes> in winning championships experience art as you said. The team returned to the N._B._A.. Finals for the seventy eight N._B._A.. Finals and it was kind of interesting because this was the only N._B._A.. Finals to feature two teams with under fifty wins in the regular season and pitted Dick Motta against Lenny Wilkins that was kind of interesting that turned in the seventh game. Tell me about that seventh and deciding game well first of all they say to me that we had of course I like I said I would out <hes> <hes> probably in February and Kevin Greasy came in and did an outstanding job would get us coming here since Bobby Dan fielding the back in the front with Elvin and West and they started to hit his stride and they got better and better as you had three <hes>. I think bobby will eventually be a hall of Famer. Hopefully is <hes> planning that front line so they got together was Kinda nip and Tuck you with Jennifer or stabbing in there but they were very competent because game seven was played back and <hes> back in Seattle and the game was close to one thing I remember is Elton got fouled over he had to sit down and we had to cut jack. Tommy Henderson you know they were some of the <hes> you know blue collar workers and they made a couple of outstanding plays that really made different solid down to the ground <hes> canary. We had a couple of guys off the bench and came through <hes> bobby. Dan was really the leader and of course <hes> in his <hes> kind of story way of being <hes>. It's just it was it was odd attacked and <hes> went down to the wire like I said there was a play topic scrambled on the full for an office agree band out to Mitch Pitch put the bus at the end and that game was like a I think a four point cushion three three point cushion and <hes> and then we gotta stop on the last place so <hes> it was it was a great moment for this franchise owner eightfold and was batting and AH hopefully for this organization. They'll be another opportunity to add another banner up there. We only have a couple of minutes left but let me ask you about Dick Motta. What type of coach was he? I met him a number of times but I really could never put my finger on what he was like as a coach Dick Motta was <hes> tax still justifiably dancing. We've we kid each other <hes> before they got there. You know we kind eh kind of a inside outside game. I'll just do we had Elton <hes> but you know can't <hes> option not a freelance a little bit on the perimeter but Dick Motta was a big man so and he not really hard to get the ball inside town and again and then we had bobby and L. and then we had cut jack and break valid coming up but we have five very good strong dig inside <hes> but he was also Cincinnati coach he thought about these possessions possessions so <hes> he was some of that jumped and county with from Chicago and I like the okay to say it off <hes> he was a he was the middle tactician. Sometimes I mean he's trying to get your head even some of the players I get people because Kevin Grieving I who are now good friends. We were fighting for minutes when I was trying to come back so there'd be sometimes in practice where it was let go at it and we were close to fighting it time you know you've found me gamified you and that you've found Xiaomi back harder next thing you know you're ready to fight you know <hes> but that was kind of his way of getting everybody mostly charge and ready to get going. We only have ninety seconds left but when you think back on your career fill and all all the things that you did in that career. Is there a particular moment that's kind of ingrained in Phil Chenier mind one that you'll never forget well obviously just two years ago. They retired my jersey so that was a huge thing but as finds being on the floor I guess would point to that seventy five series of <hes> both started at buffalo and we play very well with seven games buffalo that with mcadoo and Randy Smith equal you can Charles and what it gained seven and then we play Boston right after that and we beat them in six and of course that was they were the defending champions and that kind of setup you know the series and like I said even though we lost not that I'm happy about that but I was on the floor I was playing beating and that probably was more of a personal experience than the seventy eight I mean I'm happy to team won the championship very happy with my teammates and four eight Poland but I wasn't personally there to be on the floor experience. That was was weird feeling well. I WanNa thank you very much for giving us your time talking about your life and also about your career. It was a very successful one and you're right about the East Bay. A lot of great athletes came out of there and you had great success winning the you were on the team but as you said you were injured that year and seventy the eight but you just had an outstanding career i WanNa thank you Phil. Take care come back with US anytime here on sports byline up to enjoy thanks Phil Chenier former shooting guard who played in the N._B._A.. For Ten seasons eight of those with the Baltimore Washington. She didn't bullets way continue on sports byline. When you purchase your parts at a reilly auto dot com you can pick it up in store when it's convenient dipper you your parts tools or accessories will be waiting at your local O'Reilly auto parts store? No shipping cost easy returns and convenient pickup show REILLY AUTO DOT COM O. Reilly auto part better parts better prices every day. The arts losing hair sucks in two out of three guys will experience hair loss by the time they're thirty five. I'm part of that two out of three. 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He played nine years in the major six of those of those years with the New York mets including the team they call the amazing mets who won the nineteen in sixty nine world series and he was offered a thirty five thousand dollar contract to sign with the New York mets in nineteen sixty three. Do you laugh and kind of shake your head. When you think about the salaries today were on all I can tell you around his <hes>? You wouldn't want to have been between me and that contract okay because I was going to sign it and if you wanted to get run over I could tell you where to stand <hes> but yeah. It's you know money money. Today certainly has made a difference in the game. I I still work the triple a games here in New Orleans at the color guy for the baby cakes but <hes> we know that money money is has made it a different world and <hes> and then some of these other rule changes have also also tampered with the game I mentioned about the Miracle Mets and I WANNA point out to everybody a wonderful book. If you want to read about history and also some of the characters in baseball be sure to check out Ron's book called. Here's the catch a memoir the miracle mets and more let me take you back for just a second. You only spent one season in the mets farm system before making the major league team in nineteen sixty five that usually doesn't happen. Why were you able to do that while back then run there? There was <hes> before the draft came in and flares all came in in single file. There was a free agency for everybody. The clubs with money could sign whoever they wanted to sign whoever they could get enough money to and they made rules to kind of <hes> restrict the kind of money the really wealthy teams could pay to buy up all the young amateur talent and they made a rule cough a first year rule which meant if you play one year organized professional baseball baseball the next year the club had only a couple of ways to protect you otherwise you could get ticked off their roster by some other big league team in one thousand nine hundred sixty four them that lost <hes> Tall Blair one of the best center fielders of his time we played against Paul Blair with the Oreo in the sixty nine world series so they made a huge mistake in one thousand nine hundred sixty five they kept me and tug McGraw and onto other fellas on the roster to protect us so that we could not be drafted they sent out jenness months grades the One player you could send out to the minor leagues and designate him <hes> has protected but that was the rule they had back then and that was so we were in the big leagues but not because we made the teams we were in the big leagues because they were protecting on their roster when you got to the mets and before that nineteen sixty-nine magical season what was that team like well you know we lost I've played for Casey Stengel in one thousand nine hundred sixty five in the first half of <hes> of sixty five until Casey a broken hip and had to retire and you you know the crazy thing is he was about the same age as I am right now <hes> he was <hes> I'm heading for seventy five and and so let's Casey stangl when he finally had to retire <hes> you know and and and I love the guy and you know and he was there to make the team look better he was there to protect the team and take care of the writers and give them things to write about so they don't turn on the franchise <hes> because they were going to be terrible for a while. We lost one hundred games almost almost every year and <hes> you know it was almost to the point where they should've put a disclaimer on the tickets. You know to to the effect that you know anything. Resembling Major League Baseball is purely coincidental. <hes> it was it was a tough time. We weren't competitive but we were in the big leagues so hard to complain and when you take a look at the the players on that you had some real personalities on those teams. Did you not leading up to sixty nine. Oh yeah well mar thrown berry. I played a little bit with him. In spring training and you know marvelous marvelous mark throwing Berry <hes> he you know he he couldn't understand why they were making fun of him. You know but he he'd missed basis. He'd Miss Ground Rambaldi. You know his his game was <hes> was fairly comical at times. Unless of course you weren't as manager I remember one time. Kerby Farrell was managing him in AAA my first year. When I started out AH HIN AAA and I remember somebody <hes> was walking up the steps? After MARV had let one go through his legs and lost the game and Pharaoh's head was on the desk and he was <hes> and he was crying and and some of you know I p owed a few managers but this was the first time I made one cry that is anybody else on those teams leading up to sixty nine that were in that same category while well you know <hes> they they had a lot of you know has been and never will be <hes> Choo Choo Coleman was around then and you know Choo Choo Guy that <hes> he could pull any fastball that ever lived how <hes> he he was. He was what Casey stangl called a good low ball catcher and it's like <hes> okay and what about the other ones you know what about the other pitches not so much you know their you know when when when you had free agency back then <hes> and and the draft that allowed them to form the mets you you got what was leftover and so you know we had we had some guys that were <hes> you know darn aren't lucky to be in the big leagues and and when it happened to me in nineteen sixty five I was <hes> I was certainly one of the lucky ones to play with Casey's spangling start my career under him. Ron's Voda is with us. We're talking about his fabulous. Look it's called. Here's the catch a memoir of the Miracle Mets and more tell me a little bit about how the New York media treated you guys prior to the nineteen sixty nine championship season. I think I think Ron because it was nationally National League Baseball coming back to New York where you once until like what fifty seven fifty eight where you had the <hes> Brooklyn dodgers and <hes> you know and the New York giants baseball and then all of a sudden a new one year they're the ones in L._A.. The others in San Fran but the mets came back as you know as at you know the beginnings of you know the return of up National League Baseball and I think there were more nationally National League fans in New York so so we have that going for us and and I think the writers realized and with Casey Stangl <hes> schmoozing mouth and taking them out for drinks and whatnot and giving him stuff to write about <music> out Casey became this character that he really wasn't you know he became more comical <hes> which wasn't when he was managing the Yankees to play World Series and we're you know an American league tenants you know <hes> it was a different guy in the understood what his job was and you know and he was it was him getting even with the Yankees who fired him for being seventy years old and they made it pretty clear. That's is why they fired him and and spangles line was was the greatest he said. I'll never make that mistake again. Where did things turn for? The mets. Worded things start to get better for them was it the addition Gil Hodges projects obviously made everybody think hey <hes> things around. Here are going to get a lot more serious and <hes> and kill was one of these <hes> just incredible <hes> major league brains <hes> his seal he also the game his ability to make decisions and then never guys showing up by the name of Tom Seaver and Jerry Kouzmin and Gary Gentry and tug McGraw and Nolan Ryan we had <hes> that organization had gotten its arms around some pretty good young arms and we won seventy three games in nineteen sixty eight under hodges and and we knew in sixty nine the one thing we knew was we we were going to be better. We didn't know how much better you know how just told the writer within earshot of us that he thought this team could win eighty five games and I know me and that crane for look at one another in mind I talk about us <hes> but you know it turned out we won a hundred games. You know went to the world series now nobody could have predicted that but but things started to turn in in nineteen sixty eight as these guys start mature and then in nineteen sixty nine in June of nineteen sixty nine out of the blue we're bubbling around five hundred which was an improvement for the organization anyway we're bubbling around five hundred and we go on eleven game win streak streak starting at Shea Stadium against the California teams and then going out west tough to the coast and playing those guys in their own ballpark and we went eleven straight game and that put us trying to in the middle of the hunt and I think it surprised the heck out of our ownership it's surprised our management and that's when they made the Don Clendenin deal with Montreal and brought in a zone established right handed power hitting first Baseman to platoon June at that position with a crane pools and that's when we started feeling like seeber and Kouzmin or rolling <hes> the other young arms coming around where we had calm down card well. If that's when we went you know what we can compete now now and and and that's what that's where it really started. I know the mets clinched the National League East on Don Clendenin two home runs and a six nothing mets victory mets won thirty eight of their last fifty games aims and they finished the season with one hundred wins against the sixty two losses in games ahead of the second place cubs. Nobody guys nobody really gave you guys a chance to be Baltimore did they. Where are you would've been crazy? If you bet on us over Baltimore you would have been certifiable and and and if Baltimore didn't go into that world series as a heavy favorite it would have been crazy just crazy and the thing that Gil Hodges said after we lost game in one in Baltimore and of course I grew up in Baltimore and you know I'm playing in front of all my relatives <hes> most of whom are probably not rooting for us and you know even though I bought them the tickets but <hes> hodges set down to after we the loss game one so just remember this and you don't have to be anything more than the player that got you here. You don't have to swell up now and try to make up for some kind of lots Brown. Try to be bigger than light. Just play the game. You know you can play just be the player you are and that'll be good enough and that's what he said and I thought that was poignant and to the point and and and that's what we went out and did and we the next four games in the world series in in a fashion that <hes> you know surprise to hold out of people I would say so I know in that fifth game and you really had a good series. You've had it for one hundred but you're only R._B._I.. In that the game was the winner for the fifth and final game. You were always a guy that you know would make contact with the baseball. They always question. Maybe your defense someway but your defense was also something that was pivotal in that game. Tell everybody about the catch that you made well in game four was when I made the catch that will be on the front of the book and and you know his kind of something I'm I'm identified with and you know let's be. Let's be honest <hes> to be to be identified with one of the best things we ever did supplier. When you're a two forty lifetime guy <hes> any bad at all okay I start down five times in nineteen sixty nine in a game against the cardinals early in the season <hes> I'd rather be identified with that catch? I made in game four but we win game for because you know I I went after this ball. I had worked so hard to make myself a better outfielder and worked with at a IOS and he hit me line drives ground balls over my head line drives left and right and and and I became a better field they're much better than conventional wisdom. <hes> just would have been you know <hes> hodges use use to put in a Rod Gaspar as a defensive replacement for me by the end of the season he stopped doing that and I felt like I had made a point as a hitter now in after we win three straight and and I'm up in game five against a sidearm on right Hander Eddie what that would have been a time hodges would have tension for me but what he saw was I had gotten hot in the last couple of games and I do base it's in that game. Hodges always always always wanted with the hot hand <hes> the hot hand to him nullify percentages and I think even today with the Uber Analytics we happen in baseball today the hot hand still it to me. <hes> had you know has to be taken into consideration has to pass the occasionally nullified analytics. What do you want people in about twenty seconds to take away from this wonderful book run then I was just a guy who worked his butt off and was lucky enough to get together with a bunch of guys young guys in New York and live the dream I I worked hard at it? Nothing came easy <hes> and and <hes> and and I just the guy who loved this gang passionately and gave it everything I had and and and and got to fulfill more than I could have ever dreamed in that nineteen sixty nine world well congratulations and thank you for sharing that story with us as well take care my friend. Thank you Ron. Thanks for having me Ron Swoboda with us. Check out this book. 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It's notable as it was the first championship game or series in any of the four North American major professional sports leagues to feature to African American coaches or our managers as Al Battles Coach The warriors and Casey Joan coached the bullets and of course series one by the warriors and Ron Swoboda was with us former outfit or he played nine years in the major six of those with the New York mets including that team team called the amazing mets who won the nineteen sixty nine world series. I'm Ron Bar hang around. We've got more coming your way on America's sports talk show. My name is Pedro Martinez. The reigning the defending the undisputed speeded heavyweight champion the radio. We're talking Combat Sports Saturdays and Sundays Levin emphasis time going me for ring. Talk live worldwide on sports byline. Where the rubber meets the road actually? I'm not even sure what that means speed radio network live at heart news feeds dot com. 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